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Well, I hope everybody out there had a good week.
I know I did busy, busy like usual.
And I think I could say the same for Matt as well.
You know, we rarely slow down over here at the Free Thought Project.
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A new guest to the show, that is.
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All right, so our guest today is someone who's been kind enough to have me on his show
twice over the years.
He's a researcher, an activist, an anarchist.
He's the host of the Rise to Liberty podcast
and even a former libertarian candidate for Utah's House District 9.
His show confronts the Overton window.
It challenges official government and media narratives
and exposes the machinery of the state and corporate overreach.
He's also a first-time guest on the show.
I know we've been having a lot of return guests this year
and some of those are bigger names,
but we also try to support anybody who is doing the good work promoting liberty.
And if they're doing great work,
regardless of their following size or their cloud status, we want to talk to them.
So today we welcome Jacob Johnson to the Free Thought Project podcast.
So how are you doing today, brother? And thanks for joining us.
Yeah, of course. I'm doing quite well.
It is a beautiful day here in this country that is stressing me out almost every single day.
But yeah, it's absolutely wonderful and thank you for having me on.
Glad to have you on and glad to have this conversation.
I think we've been talking about it for a while, but we finally did it.
And yeah, I love to hear that optimistic outlook.
Although I get it, I totally get it 100%.
It is stressful. It's overwhelming.
And I feel like we've spent the last couple of podcasts really talking about that,
the flooding of the zone of information, if you will.
It does feel almost intentional.
But when I reached out last week about topics that we could talk about on the show,
you sent me back a list that basically included all of our favorite topics.
And not only mine, but some of Matt's as well.
And Matt actually said to me, you know, this is going to be a fun podcast.
And I totally agree, you know.
And I'm certainly hoping we could get into some current topics,
maybe some philosophy, and hopefully talk some strategy
because, you know, some of the topics we'll be discussing today are quite concerning.
And we should probably be talking about, you know, how we fight back.
So, right, hopefully we could sink our teeth into that a little bit.
But first, seeing that it is your first time on the show,
we thought perhaps we would go ahead and give you the floor to introduce yourself
and maybe share a few words about how you got into all this
and the path that you're on.
Yeah, so, you know, my name is Jacob Johnson.
I host Rise to Liberty.
And really, the way that I got into this is, I mean,
it kind of seems like I was just like raised to do this.
You know, I was raised with a natural ability to question authority
when it actually deserves to be questioned.
You know, not just questioning it to question it,
but, you know, when authority does deserve to be questioned
and always just asking questions, you know,
that was definitely the way that I was raised
and particularly the way that I got involved in Liberty itself.
I mean, I've always just been a student of history.
One of my favorite time periods, obviously, is the Revolutionary War period.
Even now, that's something I still read a lot about
because it kind of seems like we've always never been told the full truth
about almost anything.
And so there's just like an endless amount of information out there.
And, you know, I've actually learned more outside of school
than I ever did in school.
I think a lot of people can definitely say that is, you know,
but really what started me, I was in, let's see,
I believe 10th or 11th grade,
or maybe it was a little bit earlier than that,
but I actually saw a half-page ad for Ron Paul,
his very first, well, not the very first in back in the 80s,
but his, I guess, second presidential run.
And it was actually in High Times Magazine,
which I thought was hilarious now that I look back on it.
But I saw that he supported full legalization and decriminalization.
And, you know, at the time, I mean, I had a very limited knowledge
of politics at the time.
But even then, I understood that that was like political death,
you know, like advocating for something like that.
And I was like, whoa, that's wild.
And so I found him, because of that, kind of put it aside
because I wasn't politically minded at the time.
But then I ended up, you know, watching him through the 2008 campaign season.
And of course, the famous moment of him
and Giuliani on the debate stage, you know,
that was just news everywhere, all over the place.
So it was hard to just ignore it, period.
And that's when I started taking notice,
because that was the first time I had ever heard anything like that,
you know, the narrative at the time being that, you know,
these people 6,000 miles away hated us for our freedoms.
And Ron Paul is saying, well, maybe it has something to do with
how we behave in that part of the world.
And it's like, whoa, accountability, you know.
No kidding.
And that just kind of, you know, struck me.
And so not too long after, I was able to pick up a Ron Paul book.
So I was still in high school at the time.
And, you know, just became very familiar with his ideas.
And still at that point, I wasn't super political.
But then a couple of years later about, I would say 2009, 2010,
I had a friend borrow me a copy of The Creature from Jekyll Island
from G. Edward Griffin.
Amazing.
And then it was all uphill from there.
I read that book, found out that our money is fake
and 100% controlled.
And then it did just change my life.
And then from there, I wasn't, it still wasn't too like active.
I kind of had this mentality of, well, you know, I'll just be a libertarian.
Like that's enough.
And then, you know, I started getting more active before, before COVID.
But I still wasn't super active.
But I was, you know, I was outspoken and I was, you know,
forcing myself into public debates.
And I was, you know, attending meetings out in real life.
But really it was, you know, the beginning of COVID
that got me really on the track to start my own show.
And then got me involved in the Libertarian Party here in Utah.
And then ultimately nationally.
So that's kind of, you know, the path I took.
That entire time, of course, I was learning libertarian philosophy
and going back and, you know, reading, you know,
of course I would blank on any of the books that I would be reading,
but just libertarian philosophy, just learning what it is
and how it differs from the system that we have now.
Also at the time, it was kind of just a side interest of mine.
I actually didn't even put two and two together.
But I've always been a massive fan or not fan.
That's a terrible way to put this.
But I've always been a student of like MKUltra and Mind Control
and brainwashing and media narratives and these sorts of things.
Definitely not a fan of, but definitely something I've spent a lot of time learning.
I'm about 10 years deep into that sort of research and learning about.
So yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I came from.
And, you know, like you mentioned in the introduction,
I've been a candidate before.
I've ran for District 9 of the State House here in Utah twice.
I've helped on campaigns.
Even now I still help run communications for the Utah Libertarian Party.
Although I've taken a step back politically just because of kind of how I view things
and kind of what I think is actually going to help moving forward in this country.
But yeah, that's kind of where I've been, where I came from.
No, I love it, man.
It sounds like it was kind of like a multi-phase evolution, if you will.
There was some seedlings there and then you maybe took a little action
and did a little work to educate yourself,
but still worked quite completely inspired or motivated.
And then, of course, COVID maybe gave you that swift kick in the ass
like it did for so many people.
And I'm so glad that you did though, bro,
because I've taken value from your posts and from your work.
And it's one thing to be an armchair warrior,
somebody who's talking about these things on social media
or maybe with some friends here and there.
But unfortunately, at this point in time, that isn't enough.
We really need to be all stepping up to the plate,
all inserting ourselves in different ways.
However we can, whatever limitations that apply, of course,
to your own personal lives, obviously have to be taken to account for.
But at the same time, I feel like we need more of that.
In fact, one of my very first social media pages was called
Get Involved, You Live Here.
And that was kind of, even though I didn't quite understand
the full spectrum of politics and what was going on.
So I love to hear that that was kind of your wake-up process.
Yeah, I agree 100% man about never really being told the truth
throughout school and there is so much revisionist history now
that it is important that, yeah, not only are we out there
trying to do what we can, but also on that never-ending quest
for self-improvement, self-education, continually climbing
that mountain of enlightenment.
And there really is so much still, even with all the censorship
industry and the censorship apparatus that still exists
to a certain extent on social media.
There's still so many ways to educate yourself.
And even though social media has been kind of turned against us
in some ways, it still feels like there is endless opportunity
to really drill down on your own ideology,
your own worldviews, your own beliefs.
And I don't think there's ever been a better time in history
for that.
Now, speaking of which, it certainly helps when you have
parents who kind of set you up in the right direction
and give you those skills to think critically.
So I just wanted to say, first off here, I want to shake
your parents' hand for even placing you in this position
to be open-minded enough to entertain some of these ideas
that the majority of the people might find a little crazy.
And that, to me, you mentioned how Ron Paul was talking
about legalizing drugs.
I mean, yeah, that was so counterintuitive back in 2008
and 2012, you know?
I mean, even when I ran across to Ron Paul,
and of course, yeah, I saw his names before, you know,
I'd see Banner Hanks, Ron Paul, two first names.
I don't know, that's weird.
It seemed interesting to me, but never enough to look into it.
But what really struck me in 2011 was watching him debate
and, yeah, talking about these issues,
not as like a state-sponsored cheerleader trying to justify
and defend state action, but actually kind of specifically
pointing the finger at the policies that have gotten us
into these positions that have been so damaging to the country,
you know?
So, yeah, Ron Paul, you know, he really is the goat
when it comes to this, and I feel like we've dedicated
the last three or four podcasts talking about Ron Paul
endlessly, but you know, it is funny that you were
one who started from the Ron Paul camp
because some of us who have kind of explored more
into the conspiracy realm and also kind of solidified
our own values through voluntarism.
We don't all point back to Ron Paul.
There is a large majority of us, but not everybody,
especially in the conspiracy realm,
really has those Ron Paul roots.
So, I'm glad to hear that we're brothers in that sense.
And you also mentioned G. Edward Griffin there, you know.
Yeah, he was on the podcast a few months ago.
Another brilliant mind.
I think he's like 93 or something.
Like so sharp, man.
Like he was sharper than we were on the podcast.
I know.
We were trying to recall facts and he was like boom, boom, boom.
Like here it is and spelling it out in perfect detail.
So, definitely listen to that podcast, guys.
Absolutely mind blowing.
Probably one of my favorites so far this year.
But you did talk about the MK Altra stuff,
the Mind Control PsyOps,
and I kind of want to dig into that a bit here
because I know that's one of your topics
that you've really focused on.
It's something that I have focused on over the years as well.
And just recently, I shared a meme from a former guest of this show,
a meme guru, Rick Fry.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work.
Winston Montog was one of his accounts.
Prophetic, Memetics was another one.
But it was this meme with Daisy Ridley pointing at the camera
and the text said,
Guess who's being bombarded with psychological operations
to put you in a state of fear-based mind control?
And it's so simple, right?
It's just, but it's also so accurate.
It almost seems like common sense to people like us,
but it's actually very profound in the sense that it's exactly what's happening.
And, you know, we could see it with the constant onslaught of fear-based platitudes
coming from the Trump administration,
this office treaty and obfuscation coming from the media,
regarding things kind of like, you know, the Charlie Kirk assassination.
I mean, a lot of red flags there.
Of course, the frequent mass shootings.
And of course, we also can't forget the never-ending illegal immigrant crisis hysteria
that has basically allowed most of the right to completely abandon their small government values.
So where have you been seeing this applied the most right now?
And even for people who claim to be like impervious to these things,
like how do we teach them to flip the script
without becoming part of the PSYOP themselves?
So first, I'm going to start off by answering this.
I agree with the fact that, like, we need to be involved.
First and foremost, one of the things that I learned, you know, from being an autodidact, I guess,
is being familiar with the Revolutionary War time period
is we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you know,
and the Bill of Rights is a list of rules from the citizens to the state.
But the other side of this is that, and this is why I believe we are in the position that we are in
with this overreaching state, is actually we do have a duty to be involved,
whether we like it or not.
It's actually just one of the responsibilities of being a citizen of this country.
And I mean, how much you're involved, it kind of dictates, you know, what your life is like.
But we do have to be involved because we are the final check and balance.
Now, I think one of the biggest issues is that if something,
if an even low-level politician, a county commissioner or city councilman
or anyone all the way up to the president or congressman, senators,
it doesn't matter if anybody does something corrupt.
I mean, there's practically no consequence.
I mean, they apologize.
Maybe they lose their position or maybe they lose some donors, but that's about it.
I mean, there used to be consequences to behaving, you know, in a corrupted manner.
Used to have, you know, all sorts of, you know, public exposure from it.
You would lose your position.
You wouldn't be able to run in the future because everyone knows who you are.
Like there was actual consequences to this.
And because people aren't involved, I believe that and just decades and decades of compromises
of, well, okay, I guess they can be a little corrupt here.
That's not going to get any worse.
But if they do any more, then we're going to really step in, but we never step in.
And I think that's kind of how we've gotten to where we are.
And so I do believe that we have a duty to be involved in this.
Now, to answer your question about like how do we prevent ourselves from really getting swept up
and all of the brainwashing and everything.
First, I would like to just briefly give you a definition of exactly what is brainwashing.
So brainwashing is quote about indoctrinating so intensely and meticulously
until it creates a radical transformation of psychological characteristics and beliefs.
So we are basically force fed information, whether good or bad is kind of irrelevant,
but we're force fed information to the point where it actually changes who we are fundamentally.
Now, one of the best ways to fight back against this is education, period.
That's just one of the best ways.
And that's kind of why I do what I do now with my show and with my platforms is
because I'm trying to educate people on exactly what psychological operations are,
exactly what brainwashing is, and also expose the history that's been regurgitated by many people over the years.
But I believe that it needs to be repeated until it's driven home.
I mean, I still know many, many people that have never even heard of MKUltra,
but yet this largely took place from the late 40s to the early 70s, at least officially.
And there are people that have no idea that it ever existed, that it ever happened,
or even to the extent that it went to.
So first and foremost, the best thing is just education.
And that doesn't mean that you have to watch CNN, MSNBC.
You don't have to watch all the news channels to be educated.
In fact, one of the best things you can do is just read books.
Even if they are propaganda books, you can just start noticing patterns.
And really, that's kind of a thing out of human nature, right?
That I think people really need to strengthen is their pattern recognition,
because I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with what a Galton board is,
but it's a board that has a bunch of pebbles and it basically shows,
like you flip one side up and it drops a bunch of little BBs
and it drops it down into a pattern to show the bell curve.
And the point of the Galton board is that it shows that even though there is
randomness and chaos at the end of it, there actually isn't.
There's a pattern to everything.
And this is one of the most important things for education in general.
And in fact, if you take an IQ test, that's actually what they're testing,
is your ability to discern patterns, which is why, you know,
they show you certain questions like they'll have one, 31, 233, 674.
What's the next number?
And it's because they're trying to test your ability to recognize
patterns and be able to discern those.
So really, listening to shows like this, listening to shows like mine,
or whatever your favorite show is, is one step to do it.
Reading books is another finding out exactly different versions
of history because what we were told in school is definitely not the whole truth.
There are, you know, true bits sprinkled in, but it's not the full truth.
So really just breaking out of your shell and start learning to continue
to learn and never give up is one of the best ways to fight back against this.
Oh, I agree completely, man.
Unfortunately, we have that whole mind control thing that we're dealing with
and it allows people not to bear, forces people not to be able to do that, right?
I want to go a little bit deeper on MKUltra.
Like that's what, when Jason mentioned at the beginning of the podcast,
how I got excited about it, that's a, it's something we've covered
at the Freethought Project for a long time.
And I've done a lot of research on over the years because like the
declassified history is more insane than any type of fiction that's ever been
written, right? That just happened in the fucking United States.
I mean, we're talking about programs that go back to the 50s and the 60s
where the CIA was dosing John's and brothels in San Francisco.
They were hiring prostitutes to slip LSD in their drinks
and then fucking creepily watching them, you know, in the hotel rooms
through two-way mirrors.
That was called Operation Midnight Climax, ironically.
Man, they were dosing their own agents.
They were dosing prisoners, mental patients, fucking.
There's this book by Tom O'Neill called Chaos.
Yes, sir.
It documents the bizarre like crazy connections between Charles Manson
and the CIA's Mind Control Networks that they were doing with all this LSD
and they were operating in these California communities.
It's fucking wild.
And this all happened, right?
The official story is that like these programs were shut down
after they were exposed in the 70s, you know?
But I mean, their stated goal during those studies was to master Mind Control
and we'd be completely naive to think that they would just abandon their holy grail, right?
They didn't fucking stop this shit.
They just stopped leaving a paper trail, basically.
And it's quite evident that they've dialed it in, right?
We were just talking about that.
The dial in Mind Control is on full display.
We can watch members of both political parties completely ignore
the horrifying crimes and corruption by their own team and heroes, you know?
While simultaneously seeing evil in every action taken by the air quotes other side, right?
The paralysis goes even deeper.
Like people have programmed to, like you just said earlier,
never step in, right?
To change these things themselves.
Instead, the only solution that they ever offer is to give their team more power
and then they act fucking shocked when the other team comes into power
and then that same power gets used against them.
It's a perfect fucking loop of control
and it's the most obvious form of Mind Control that anybody who could,
people like us that can pay attention and see that
and it's so sad to not be able to pull people from that.
They're just in it, man.
So basically with that as a prime example, you know,
where else do you see like the fruits of that dark research being deployed today?
Like what other modern phenomenon like from mass shooters
to like the bizarre fucking crazy shit politicians say sometimes?
Like do you see the fingerprints of any of this shit?
Like this modern Mind Control programming all over them?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's literally everywhere.
You cannot wake up in a day without stepping in it, you know?
Like it literally is everywhere.
Social media is the perfect platform for repetition
and the most basic form of Mind Control is repetition.
It's just over and over.
And that's why this left versus right works so well, right?
Is because it's the same thing over and over again.
And if you talk to somebody who is still believing in that,
you know, left versus right paradigm, I mean,
they'll defend that to their death almost.
It's the most wild thing I've ever seen.
I mean, and the evidence that, you know,
these quote unquote different factions are actually not factions.
They're just one big club that we are not in.
Like George Carlin famously said, I mean, it's so apparent.
But that's the downside to Mind Control and brainwashing is that
to us, it's apparent because we can see through the veil
to people who are brainwashed, it's not apparent.
And because it's just been repeated over and over and over again.
And so as far as where we see it, I mean, it is literally everywhere.
That does sound kind of like a cop-out answer,
but the places that we don't see it,
I have a hard time thinking of a place where it's not.
And that was kind of the whole point to this.
It's because there's two different kinds of mind control and brainwashing.
And that's individual mind control and brainwashing.
And then there's also mass mind control and brainwashing.
Right now it kind of seems like the powers that be
are definitely focusing on the mass mind control.
But I mean, that happens through social media,
through programmed algorithms, the mainstream media,
which I have zero clue how they are still even existing,
other than the fact that they are just artificially propped up.
And then, I mean, it's just everywhere.
It's in the schools. It's at your work. It's in your social groups.
When you hang out with friends and somebody parrots a narrative
that is being pushed by mainstream media,
I mean, that is the mind control reaching your social group.
So it is literally everywhere.
Yeah. Isn't that sad? We're like the society of passive reverberators.
Right.
We just mockingbird the days talking points that are handed down from us
for the mass media and question nothing.
And you said it starts in the schools.
That kind of brings me to my next question, which is school shootings, right?
Right.
And then mass shootings in general, right?
The state and the media always immediately pivot every time
one of these tragedies occurs. It's the tired script, right?
Gun control. We need to fucking ban guns.
But like speaking on the same vein as mind control, right?
We know that some of these medications that are tied to these
are directly tied to suicidal ideation, homicidal ideation, right?
We've been reporting on that at the Free Thought Project for years
and it's a massive elephant in the room that even when the media
tries to talk about it, they cut them off.
They fire them.
I mean, there's countless examples of like media personalities
trying to make that link on air and Fox News or CNN,
they'll cut to a commercial immediately.
And that's because they're paid by the very people who these
are making these drugs, right?
But I mean, if you look at like the list of names that it's
like Dylan Klebow, James Holmes, Nicholas Cruz, the Vegas shooter,
the, I mean, fucking everybody, every single one of these
mass shooters, like 99% of them, they all have one thing in common
that was the fact that they were all reportedly taking these
drugs known to cause aggression, psychosis, homicidal ideation,
suicidal ideation, you know, there's hundreds of studies
that show this, you know, and it's written on the fucking packages.
We had this great guest on Just The Inserts and we talked
about that then on the podcast and when the medicine says
it might make you fucking think about killing people.
And the fact that we can't talk about that when people
go and kill a lot of people, I think that's really fucked up, right?
Right.
I mean, since like 1988, antidepressant use has skyrocketed.
It's, it's, it's, I think it's some fucking, something like 30%
of the entire population in this country is on some sort of
of antidepressant, man.
And it's fucking wild.
Like we have this mountain of evidence from all these
scientific studies that legal precedences and all the data
that shows that these have contributed or are tied to
have a very high confident coefficient tied to mass shootings,
right? From your research, like how, how do you think how strong
is the link between, you know, this big pharma medication
and these violent outbursts?
And do you think it's, it's something, something completely
separate or like from, from the NKO mind control or like
a coincidental thing that we just don't know about.
And maybe the pharmaceutical giants are trying to just keep
it secret or, or what do you think, man?
No, I genuinely believe this is directly tied to MKUltra.
This is, so we, so one of the, one of the things that MKUltra
is like known for is drug induced trauma.
I mean, that's now MKUltra was a lot more than that,
but that is the famous thing that it's known for, right?
It's like the LSD testing, but they tested more than
just LSD, there was actually hundreds of drugs that they
tested. And then in fact, this was the invention of many
drugs that are still being used today, like Prozac,
Adderall, Ritalin, just to name a couple.
I mean, they, they tested caffeine, they tested nicotine,
they, they tested everything you can think of all the
way from, you know, something that seems so harmless
like caffeine and nicotine all the way to, you know, nerve
agents and everything in between.
So the fact that there's a huge number of the population
on medication and then we have constant fear being pushed
to us through mainstream media and social media,
specifically, you know, just take the Charlie Kirk
incident. That was trauma based mind control because
the algorithms allowed us to be able to see the most
graphic video that, you know, I've seen since the
early 2000s on just the, you know, front normal
inner, inner webs, you know, it's like, you know,
I was on the internet back in the day when there was,
you know, these gore sites like gore.com or
Rotten.com.
Yeah, Rotten.com, a lot of, so, you know, I'm
desensitized to a lot of stuff like that and it's,
it's not necessarily something I'm proud of, but,
you know, I'm just a product of that generation and
it's crazy to me. These sites don't exist anymore,
although you can still find stuff like that.
It's just a lot more difficult, but on that day,
that video was everywhere. Everyone saw it and
one thing that we learned from, or I guess that
they learned from MKUltra was that people need to
be traumatized under or not always, but one of
the best ways to brainwash somebody is to
traumatize them while they're drug induced.
So we have a massive portion of the population
who is under medication and it's, it's not just
the, it's not just the antidepressants, it's pain
meds, it's, you know, stimulates, it's, it's
literally anything and then we also have the
legal drugs like caffeine, nicotine, alcohol.
Alcohol is insanely popular amongst, you know,
the brainwashing crowd because it allows you
to drop certain walls that we hold up in our
brain to be able to prevent us from being
hypnotized and that's basically what this
is, right, is we're being hypnotized because
we're having the same messages repeated to us
over and over and over again and this was
discovered actually before MKUltra under
Project Bluebird, which is, you know, basically
that a combined hypnotism and drug induced
trauma that, that opens us up to be in a
state of fight or flight, but not to the
point where we actually do fight or flight, but
just enough that they're able to insert narratives
into us and then us run with that.
Like at the time, even, even people that were
aware of these sorts of tactics, like right
after it happened, everyone was looking for
any sort of bit of information and one thing
that kind of blows my mind is the story that
Charlie Kirk's wife and children were there.
They weren't. They weren't.
No, they weren't. That, that, and I don't
know where that story came from because the
story was, you know, his wife saw it and his
little daughter, you know, ran to him
because she was scared of the noise and they
weren't there from what I understand that
they were in Utah, but they weren't at the
event. So, I mean, that, that's just a
way to elevate the trauma because I mean
that's horrific. That is absolutely horrific
to think his little girl running to him, but
that never happened. And I don't know where
that story came from either. But in my
opinion, it's, it's very clear that it came
from somebody trying to push a certain
narrative, trying to up that trauma.
And now it seems like everything surrounding
it is just pure chaos, which is part of
the whole narrative. So, yeah, no, I, I
think this is directly tied to the things
that were tested and learned under MK
Ultram.
Wow, man. Yeah, my, my head's spinning a
little bit right now because I mean, I've
certainly heard the people talking about
how his family was there and how it was
obviously very traumatic for them, but
yeah, I guess I didn't bother to
confirm that. There was just so many
people repeating it. So, I didn't even
look into it, but it does exactly what
you said. It does elevate the fear
tactics, it elevates the outrage, it
elevates the emotional toll that
it takes on people. And you know, you
made another great point there too,
Jacob, that these social media sites
for years have been trying to limit
the gore, blood, anything with
extreme violence. Their algorithms
automatically pick that stuff up and
censor it out. Yet, I don't know how
many times I've seen not only the
original video of Charlie being shot
and killed, but people
repurposing that video and
making their own video from it and
talking about the different theories
and stuff. And some were, you know,
applied enough to blur out some of the
gore, but a lot of them weren't.
They still exist on social media, so
the idea that it was
something that was allowed to be
promulgated and pushed through
social media, it certainly has
some credibility there,
as far as just looking at both of those
examples that you just gave. And I think
all this does, yeah, point
back to what my original
question was when we first kicked this
off, which is, you know, the fear-based
mind control and how that
does exactly what you said,
put people in a state of fight
or flight. And that actually goes back
to a conversation we had with
the wonderful journalist
Carrie Wedler a couple months ago
where she talks about how to
deprogram yourself, how to rewire your brain,
how to actually take control
over all these mechanisms that we
have in our daily lives,
including through the media apparatus
that are constantly barraging us
with fear-based
information. And so
definitely again, guys, I know
they do this a lot, but listen to that
podcast. That's another great one. I'm
a huge fan of this podcast. If you guys haven't
noticed everybody that we talk to, we really
try to get some amazing guests on here
and we're often able times
to connect the dots from different
previous episodes and really try to
look at the bigger picture.
Man, there is so much to say about
that, but I did kind of want to
touch on the Cointel Pro
side of this as well because
I think that's in your wheelhouse as well
and that was kind of rolled out around
the same time period as the
MK Ultra stuff and
both of those programs
weaponized information, psychology
and state power
more or less to suppress
a descent and to manipulate
perception. Of course, back then
it was, you know, the Cointel
Pro stuff was like using like wire
taps, the MK Ultra stuff, like you
pointed out was LSD
experiments and apparently a lot more than just that
and then of course the infiltration
of activist groups, but
today it seems like the strategies have evolved.
It's less about maybe the physical
realm and more about the mental realm
and these days it's
the AI driven surveillance, the
biometric tracking,
predictive police algorithms that
are being used to monitor and track
which also came
from MK Ultra as well.
We'll have to get into that and
I feel like those two things alone,
the monitor and tracking people is
only inevitably going to create
a chilling effect where people realize
that they're being watched
both in real life and online
and so I think it's going to make them
less likely to participate
in anything that does kind of push
back against the ring of power
and so with
the rise of these facial recognitions that
protest the fusion
centers and companies like Palantir
coordinating all the real-time data
and packaging it up
and selling it and moving it
throughout these various government agencies
and stuff there's even things
like emotion detection
tech being tested in schools and airports
I mean it's getting crazy
so like how do you see these tactics
evolving in the digital age and like
again because I do want to talk about some
strategy here like how does that resistance
look like when the PsyOps
are basically invisible
and baked into the very infrastructure
so
I mean it's kind of difficult
right because
we on one hand like we
do have to have a certain amount of information
but also at the same time
all the information is fake
so it's like it's all fake and gay
right exactly
100% and so
how is it that
we are we
have to get a certain amount of
information but then
we also you know try to protect
ourselves as best as we can from
any information that's
meant to harm us
so I mean just real quick
so the mechanisms of
traumatization and control
so when individuals are
repeatedly or involuntarily
exposed to graphic content
that once again triggers the
body's fight or flight response
via the amygdala
which is the brain's fear center
and the hypothalamus
pretuitary adrenal axis
which basically
floods the system with stress hormones
like
cortisol, adrenaline
and these sorts of things and then this
acute stress actually leads
to hyperarousal, intrusive
memories and emotional numbing
which is you know
part of the whole point behind
this which those three
things are hallmarks of trauma itself
so under
TBMC trauma-based mind control
this is actually
that aspect of it is actually
weaponized
so the trauma causes disassociation
and
I mean this kind of also explains the
huge rise in mental illness
across you know
the entire country and world
and this also in my opinion
explains why the left
you know at least
the voters tend to have more of it
because they pay more attention to
the mainstream media
so we see a huge influx
of mental illness amongst them
and I mean they're constantly fed fear
I mean everything is just
like there's Nazis everywhere
you know it's the end of democracy
the sky is falling and it's
filled full of meatballs
it's like
but this also does
work on the right as well
it happens as well like you mentioned
you know the immigrant
crisis
and like
extreme far leftists in the colleges
and that's not to say that there's
no issues you know I'm not saying
that but like these issues
are like amplified
and they're turned into
something that they quite aren't
actually are
so this in my opinion
is why we see the amplification of
mental illnesses but
the disassociation
for anyone that doesn't know is like
kind of where the mind splits off
protecting itself
protecting the core self your core
being from a traumatic
experience and in fact it's
quite remarkable that the brain even does this
but it's a defense
mechanism and it's actually
a good thing that it happens
although you know a lot of people
you know believe this doesn't even exist
this is actually like
the core of what we now know
is the satanic panic is that disassociation
doesn't actually exist that
you know the brain cannot
repress memories
that's a low to malarkey that
like the brain does repress
traumatic memories
now over time
repeated exposure desensitizes
individuals to violence which reduces
empathy and increases
aggression and compliance
which is one of the big things
so the brain adapts to
down regulating emotional responses
because
like
scientifically we can prove that
it's really bad to make
any sort of decision
when you're highly emotional
and so that's also been
weaponized against us which I think is
one of the big reasons why we see with the younger generations
that there is
a reduced amount of empathy towards people
and instead of you know helping your fellow
man people just whip out their phones
and record it and hope for you know
the most likes now this
has been aggressively
amplified in
you know the time of social media algorithms
so this cycle
amplifies suggestibility
traumatized people may actually
seek safety in authority
figures or groups making them
prone to manipulation such as
accepting propaganda or exhibiting
controlled behaviors like avoidance
of dissent
so it makes it to a
point where dissent
from the authority figures
is actually like a life and death
situation to people and that's why it's
so aggressive against
people like us people that
question the official narrative and it just
gets so brutal
for lack of a better term
why people are you know
so in our face about this
now in the digital context
algorithms are actually
force feeding us content
meant to polarize
the entire nation
basically and
these algorithms can be
made to force feed us
anything at all and that's the dangerous
part about them so I mean
one of the best things that we can do
is limit our time
on social media I mean
I practically live on social media so
I'm not sure how you guys deal with
it but you know being in this space
like we have to be on social media
right like that's how we get this out
there but
you know there there will be
times I'll take two or three days
just away like I just I won't
get on you know I won't look at
my phone besides a text message or a
phone call and that's just something
I've had to do for my own mental health
and you know that's just
something I know
knowing all of these things now if you
don't know these things first like I said
education education education
that's just the number one thing
and two it is
limiting our time on
social media and
in conjunction with that also
coming in and actually
interacting with people
face to face because
the online world
I mean it is real everyone says oh
Twitter's fake or whatever and it's like well
yes that's true
but I mean it does have
real world consequences so it is
real like this
digital space does exist
however
we lean too much on it so I think
you know we've gotten to a point where
people allow the digital
space to control the real space
or the you know IRL
in real life space
so really
disengaging with
the sources of the information
is one of the best things that you can do
now
how much you disengage
that's up to the individual
I had a friend recently
who he just deleted all of his social stuff
like he doesn't interact
with that at all and what's interesting
is all the big news stories
that you know it's like
oh well you're not going to hear about this
no he still hears about them you know
like the information that we
quote unquote need like he still
hears about everything
so it's but
he is and has noticed
like a big difference in not
constantly being on these platforms
so that is definitely
one of the ways to fight back because
the whole point to these
these platforms
they are fighting for attention
so we
are the products like we
our data gets sold our data gets
farmed from us and gets
sold to data brokers
and scammers like
it just gets sold to everywhere it gets
willingly given or sold to governments
so
the less that we can do
on any platform
that wants us on there the better
like that's just how it is
and then anything that you
have to be on online
for say like you know try living
a life without email it can be
done but for the vast majority
of people it's going to be very difficult so
the best thing you can do is
look for companies that
actually care about privacy
you know I know
there's some people that will
kind of have issues with it but I'm
a big fan of proton for the
average person I mean the best thing
you can do is really just like run your own
server and run your own email service
but that's unrealistic for most people
and there's nothing wrong with that but
you know for the tech people
yeah start your own server run your own
email it's pretty easy
if you're a tech person
but for the average person
look for companies that
actually care about
your your data because
most most companies have
zero incentive for
keeping your data safe
or private to begin with
so I mean though those are a couple of
things that we can do is just limit
our interaction with
these sources so
when I say it's everywhere every news
every news channel
doesn't matter what side it's on even the
alternative media in many aspects
is getting really bad
so
use your mind think about
these things think about what you're hearing
and don't just accept
it I think is like the biggest thing so
education
limiting your interaction and
using your mind because even
if you went through 12 years of
indoctrination camp
it doesn't kill our mind
enough to where we can't use it
although there might be an argument there
but
most people can still think
even halfway and you don't
have to be super intelligent to question
these things so
just limiting your exposure but
and this is why I started my show
it shows like this
shows like mine the smaller
shows
are way more important
because you have a way higher chance
of being told the truth
and
I think that that's
it's worth its weight in gold
I mean I've stopped listening
to quote-unquote alternative media
because I mean they're
just like the mainstream media in my opinion
all the shows I watch and listen to
are smaller shows
you know they rarely have
sponsors or whatever they're typically
tied to
viewer or listener
funded shows
such as this like
this is important listening to this show
all the other interviews you guys have done
because I'm also a fan
as a content creator it's hard for me to listen to other
shows but
this is one of the shows that I do listen to
and it is important
to take in a certain
amount of information
and
you are responsible
for the content that you consume
so you just have to make sure that
the content that you're consuming is coming
from a place where people
actually you know give a shit
about
what you're putting out there and
I think both of you guys are definitely a platform
that actually care what you're putting
out to people so
I mean that's kind of what the individual
can do to protect ourselves
this is just education
education
living in our time on these platforms
these platforms are
military grade weapons
that's what they are
and then also just
be careful with what
what content you're putting into your brain
you know a lot of people are
concerned about the food
and the water and the air that we put
into our bodies well we need to also focus
on our minds and the content
that we put into our mind is
just as important as staying away
from the chemical laden food that we put
into our bodies you are
what you consume yes sir
yeah and you consume a bunch
of bullshit that's what you
live in a society
of fucking bullshit
totally totally
and it's it's difficult
it really is difficult but the
day and age that we live in
unfortunately it is just something that we have
to deal with and even though it's
difficult it doesn't mean it's impossible
but we do have to be
on you know
constant vigilance to make sure that we
are consuming the correct things
yeah 100% just
like this show like you said earlier
man it's it makes so much sense
when you look at it like that it's I just wish
more people saw it you know
man Jacob so we're running up against the end
of the podcast here man but I want
to commend you man like
you're a very knowledgeable guy
your comparison earlier
where you
you talked about showing the traumatic videos
to people on drugs with the Charlie Kirk video
being shown to like the heavy
medicated American population
it's brilliant dude it gave me kind of chills
and I was just like oh my jaw dropped
to the floor I mean it's
it's a perfect example of this
sophisticated mind control we've you know
we've been discussing this whole for the last hour
it's not just about propaganda
but like understanding the
the vulnerable psychological
state of the target audience and you
dissected that very well my friend
thank you I really enjoyed this last hour
man at the
at the top of the show you kind of laid out
this crucial line of defense against the
psychological warfare and you kind of reiterated it
just now you know about educating yourself
and but like the systems
attack isn't just informational
right it's like it's deeply emotional
as you stated and they weaponize
fear as we talked we even talked about
Kerry's thing and and you were all you already
knew about all that it's basic dude I love it
you know we were every the average
Americans kept in a constant state of stress
you know making them clean to authority
and our political tribes for this
bullshit sense of safety which is
no more nothing more than just giving
up your freedoms and we see it happen
over and over it it creates this
world where people see dissent like
you said not as a disagreement
but like as a life and death
threat to their very identity man that was
another profound thing you said it's
fucking it's so true
you know it's it seems that just
consuming different information is
it is a big step in it
but it might just not be enough you know
to break through this trauma-based
programming so as
you probably know if you listen to the show a lot
you know we always end in a white pill and
so like for our white
pill man is the ultimate antidote
to this top-down mind control
not just the individual
act of learning but like maybe a collective
act of building like
how powerful of a tool is it
is creating like real-world
parallel networks right things like
mutual aid groups and
you know co-ops, agorism, home
schooling pods how important is that
in making people psychologically resilient
and ungovernable right
does the path to breaking their control
run through rebuilding our own
communities from the ground up
100%
that is actually
like why I am where I am
currently like with my show my projects
so
like I said in the beginning I was
a candidate several times
and I had no illusions
I didn't think that you know this was
going to be some like magic
thing like if I somehow happen to win
like I'm going to change the
world or you know change
you know things here in the state of Utah
to be able to you know function
better or whatever like I was under
no delusion but there was still
a point where we could get an
oppositional voice you know
in a position to be able to
say some of these things
but I am now to the point
and the reason I have
a problem with politics is
not not even politics itself
but I have an issue
with asking permission to do this
and that's what I feel politics are
is that we are waiting every
two years every four years every
eight years whatever to ask permission
to be able to do this
and honestly the best thing that we can do
to fight back against all of this
is that
we just do it
like we just
we start living off grid
or we start you know
building algorithm we start
just doing it that's the thing
we just do it and
you know I'm not about to ask permission
if I can you know come on your guys
show if it's cool for me to
you know if it's if it's okay
with the crown that I say these
things you know like I'm not about
to do that I just do it and
that I think that's
the most important thing now
honestly here's my white pill to all of this
the fact that this
trauma based mind control is even taking
place is the fact that it's
necessary and the reason
why that's a white pill to me is because
if things were
hopeless then their propaganda
would be pointless and there would be no reason
for it and so
yes and and I'll even
point to the other side of this the black
pill itself is
in of itself a sigh
because they want us to be hopeless
but nothing is ever
hopeless and and so
definitely stay away from the black pill
period like it anyone
pushing black pills you know
question why they're doing it and shut that
down immediately because
that's not gonna help but that what that
does allow is you know
for any sort of meaningful
resistance
to end before it even begins
and I just cannot accept
that and you know
if things are hopeless we might as well
just stop doing this show lay down and die
you know like and I'm not
willing to accept that so I mean
that's that's my white pill is that
the fact that they're even doing this and the fact that
it's getting harder and harder and they're
pushing it harder and harder
shows to me
that it's not working as well as it once did
and so now people are
becoming aware of it they're making
better choices in their life and so they need to
push this harder and harder and
unfortunately for them it's kind of all they
got and so
you know by doing interviews like this
by listening to shows like this like mine
like whoever else you guys listen to
you know this
this is what's helping now
I stopped being
directly involved in politics just because
like I said I don't want to
ask permission anymore I'm just gonna do it
and
one of my like the whole
point to my show and everything that I do
is literally just to
show the man behind the curtain
you know I want to show
you know I want to point out
that the emperor is naked
you know
and this all goes back
to all of this being
our responsibility like
okay well things are so bad right now
like the best way
that we can check and balance this
is let's not participate
let's just not
participate in their system because if we
participate in their system we're gonna
lose every single time
so the best thing to do is build our own
system outside of that
and I mean
the government needs us we don't need the government
or the state you know
so if we start
doing things ourselves it kind of takes care
of the problem and then
we're the ones holding the
power which is what we need to do we need to
take our power back right because
it is ours we're
the ones that have it even still
which is the whole point of having this
mind control and the brainwashing and everything
is they're trying to take the power so we
give it to them but they can't
do any of this without our permission
period so just stop giving
them permission so yeah to answer your question
to do the algorithm
to build the parallel economies to
I mean
build liberty enclave so we have
little pockets of liberty all over the
place because we're gonna need it and then we're gonna need
trade routes and all sorts of
things we can build our world back
the way that we want it and we just
gotta do it because we don't need their permission
and besides we're Americans
like where
where's the fight in everybody to do this
like we don't need permission let's just
do it and so that that's kind of
where I am I mean that the whole point I
want to expose
these black pills I want to expose the mind control
to hopefully break people out
of it and you know it seems to be working
fucking right man well said
Jason and I were discussing
revamping our TFTP store
and what we need to come up
with some more t-shirt ideas and guess what
one of those t-shirt ideas is gonna be man
stop asking for permission
nice you just named that
home dude like that was very well said
I really appreciate it man
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Jacob thank you so much for coming on dude
before we let you go you want to tell everybody
where they can follow and support your work
yeah so I mean the best place
I'm actually getting ready to kind of
relaunch everything the
home base for all my stuff is going to be
my sub-stack
a lot of the information that I talked about
today is actually going to be in a piece
probably out later today
or tomorrow with today's
the 9th October 9th so
by the time you're listening to this it will
probably be out but you can
find my sub-stack it's beware the
mockingbird
and that's you know linked on all
of my social stuff but pretty much anywhere
rise to liberty I've tried
to lock down every platform
I can the three main
places you can find me as
ex or twitter telegram
and instagram those are the three most active
places I I am
but yeah my sub-stack
is a big thing and
the information I'll be releasing is
actually why
this whole Charlie Kirk assassination thing
is a Psyop
I'm going to point point out all the different
things I'm going to go through you know
all the different tactics they've used
I'm going to point out historical
connections you know ways to protect
yourselves all
all sorts of different things so it's going to be good
that's where you can find me and then also
just a quick shout out I'm
I'm also a producer for
in my opinion
one of the best call-in shows
on conspiracy call-in shows
on the net called already dead
which is hosted by
Jose Galesan and Austin
Picard of the no way
Jose podcast and the
underclass podcast so I'm over there
pushing the ones and twos every
Tuesday and other than that
yeah just anywhere rise to liberty
or beware the mockingbird is where you can find
me hell yeah man we'll put
a bunch of those links down below the in the podcast
description wherever you guys are listening to it out there
uh Jacob
thank you man we're really
coming on these are some great solutions we talked about
today thank you Jacob
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