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I do take a second to do that. 02:52.040 --> 02:56.280 Now this might sound a little funny, but I too am a fan of this show. 02:56.480 --> 03:02.220 And I get pretty excited when we have the opportunity to speak to guests that I admire, 03:02.660 --> 03:06.200 that I've taken wisdom from and guarded knowledge from. 03:06.680 --> 03:13.520 And last week's show checked all those boxes when we welcomed Dr. Mary Ruert to the show for the first time. 03:14.040 --> 03:17.460 Now it took about three years to finally get her on the show. 03:17.460 --> 03:20.500 But I'm glad we did. She's incredibly knowledgeable. 03:21.020 --> 03:24.580 She's very much intellectually and morally consistent. 03:24.980 --> 03:29.700 And also worked for years in both the biomedical field and in education. 03:30.560 --> 03:34.400 So her life experience and knowledge that she shared with us. 03:34.620 --> 03:39.320 It really did a lot to highlight the FDA, big pharma. 03:40.200 --> 03:42.020 We also got into other things too. 03:42.160 --> 03:45.080 We talked about volunteerism and a world without government. 03:45.080 --> 03:47.460 I don't want to keep going on and on about this show. 03:47.540 --> 03:51.620 I certainly could, but make sure that you go ahead and download that episode 03:51.620 --> 03:53.320 after you're done listening to this one. 03:54.160 --> 03:59.760 Now also, guys, I want to remind you that we are a small independent outlet over here 03:59.760 --> 04:03.460 working tirelessly to advanced ideas of libertarianism, 04:04.060 --> 04:07.340 voluntarism, peace, prosperity, accountability. 04:08.240 --> 04:11.600 And I'm sure most of you guys know we've been censored so much throughout the years 04:11.600 --> 04:16.300 that it's been nearly impossible to really rebuild and continue doing this work. 04:16.800 --> 04:17.780 But, you know, here we are. 04:18.280 --> 04:21.460 So please, guys, consider helping us out with a one-time donation 04:21.460 --> 04:23.420 or by subscribing to our work. 04:24.100 --> 04:26.220 Just $10 a month keeps things moving over here. 04:26.460 --> 04:29.980 And I think after 13 years now in the game, 04:30.100 --> 04:31.880 we've proven our dedication to this work. 04:32.360 --> 04:34.240 So go to thefreethoughtproject.com 04:34.240 --> 04:37.520 and at the top there, you will see a tab for a TFTP membership. 04:37.520 --> 04:41.040 Click that, guys, and let's keep this train moving. 04:43.280 --> 04:48.760 All right, so our guest today is someone who's been kind enough to have me on his show 04:48.760 --> 04:50.120 twice over the years. 04:50.440 --> 04:53.780 He's a researcher, an activist, an anarchist. 04:54.300 --> 04:57.060 He's the host of the Rise to Liberty podcast 04:57.060 --> 05:02.460 and even a former libertarian candidate for Utah's House District 9. 05:03.380 --> 05:05.340 His show confronts the Overton window. 05:05.340 --> 05:08.840 It challenges official government and media narratives 05:09.660 --> 05:13.380 and exposes the machinery of the state and corporate overreach. 05:13.940 --> 05:15.740 He's also a first-time guest on the show. 05:15.960 --> 05:18.560 I know we've been having a lot of return guests this year 05:18.560 --> 05:21.280 and some of those are bigger names, 05:21.380 --> 05:26.400 but we also try to support anybody who is doing the good work promoting liberty. 05:27.500 --> 05:29.460 And if they're doing great work, 05:29.460 --> 05:33.140 regardless of their following size or their cloud status, we want to talk to them. 05:34.640 --> 05:38.660 So today we welcome Jacob Johnson to the Free Thought Project podcast. 05:39.680 --> 05:42.220 So how are you doing today, brother? And thanks for joining us. 05:42.980 --> 05:44.940 Yeah, of course. I'm doing quite well. 05:45.300 --> 05:51.460 It is a beautiful day here in this country that is stressing me out almost every single day. 05:51.800 --> 05:55.300 But yeah, it's absolutely wonderful and thank you for having me on. 05:55.920 --> 05:58.760 Glad to have you on and glad to have this conversation. 05:59.060 --> 06:02.380 I think we've been talking about it for a while, but we finally did it. 06:02.380 --> 06:04.680 And yeah, I love to hear that optimistic outlook. 06:04.860 --> 06:07.240 Although I get it, I totally get it 100%. 06:07.960 --> 06:11.020 It is stressful. It's overwhelming. 06:11.540 --> 06:15.160 And I feel like we've spent the last couple of podcasts really talking about that, 06:15.380 --> 06:18.220 the flooding of the zone of information, if you will. 06:18.420 --> 06:19.880 It does feel almost intentional. 06:20.720 --> 06:26.140 But when I reached out last week about topics that we could talk about on the show, 06:26.340 --> 06:31.760 you sent me back a list that basically included all of our favorite topics. 06:31.760 --> 06:34.180 And not only mine, but some of Matt's as well. 06:34.420 --> 06:37.000 And Matt actually said to me, you know, this is going to be a fun podcast. 06:37.320 --> 06:39.540 And I totally agree, you know. 06:39.760 --> 06:42.420 And I'm certainly hoping we could get into some current topics, 06:42.540 --> 06:45.740 maybe some philosophy, and hopefully talk some strategy 06:45.740 --> 06:49.960 because, you know, some of the topics we'll be discussing today are quite concerning. 06:50.240 --> 06:53.220 And we should probably be talking about, you know, how we fight back. 06:53.740 --> 06:57.220 So, right, hopefully we could sink our teeth into that a little bit. 06:57.300 --> 06:59.880 But first, seeing that it is your first time on the show, 06:59.880 --> 07:04.200 we thought perhaps we would go ahead and give you the floor to introduce yourself 07:04.200 --> 07:07.000 and maybe share a few words about how you got into all this 07:07.000 --> 07:08.260 and the path that you're on. 07:09.140 --> 07:11.780 Yeah, so, you know, my name is Jacob Johnson. 07:12.180 --> 07:13.580 I host Rise to Liberty. 07:14.920 --> 07:19.040 And really, the way that I got into this is, I mean, 07:19.280 --> 07:22.280 it kind of seems like I was just like raised to do this. 07:22.800 --> 07:28.090 You know, I was raised with a natural ability to question authority 07:28.090 --> 07:30.510 when it actually deserves to be questioned. 07:30.790 --> 07:33.510 You know, not just questioning it to question it, 07:33.530 --> 07:37.670 but, you know, when authority does deserve to be questioned 07:37.670 --> 07:41.130 and always just asking questions, you know, 07:41.190 --> 07:43.210 that was definitely the way that I was raised 07:43.210 --> 07:47.930 and particularly the way that I got involved in Liberty itself. 07:48.170 --> 07:50.230 I mean, I've always just been a student of history. 07:51.590 --> 07:56.370 One of my favorite time periods, obviously, is the Revolutionary War period. 07:56.370 --> 07:59.630 Even now, that's something I still read a lot about 07:59.630 --> 08:05.570 because it kind of seems like we've always never been told the full truth 08:05.570 --> 08:06.690 about almost anything. 08:06.970 --> 08:10.190 And so there's just like an endless amount of information out there. 08:11.350 --> 08:14.590 And, you know, I've actually learned more outside of school 08:14.590 --> 08:15.990 than I ever did in school. 08:16.810 --> 08:20.690 I think a lot of people can definitely say that is, you know, 08:21.230 --> 08:26.290 but really what started me, I was in, let's see, 08:26.390 --> 08:28.870 I believe 10th or 11th grade, 08:29.190 --> 08:31.510 or maybe it was a little bit earlier than that, 08:31.530 --> 08:35.730 but I actually saw a half-page ad for Ron Paul, 08:35.970 --> 08:38.930 his very first, well, not the very first in back in the 80s, 08:39.010 --> 08:41.430 but his, I guess, second presidential run. 08:42.870 --> 08:45.650 And it was actually in High Times Magazine, 08:45.870 --> 08:49.990 which I thought was hilarious now that I look back on it. 08:49.990 --> 08:55.390 But I saw that he supported full legalization and decriminalization. 08:55.690 --> 08:58.890 And, you know, at the time, I mean, I had a very limited knowledge 08:58.890 --> 09:00.030 of politics at the time. 09:00.070 --> 09:05.430 But even then, I understood that that was like political death, 09:05.830 --> 09:09.010 you know, like advocating for something like that. 09:09.070 --> 09:11.710 And I was like, whoa, that's wild. 09:11.890 --> 09:15.710 And so I found him, because of that, kind of put it aside 09:15.710 --> 09:18.470 because I wasn't politically minded at the time. 09:18.470 --> 09:24.690 But then I ended up, you know, watching him through the 2008 campaign season. 09:25.470 --> 09:28.510 And of course, the famous moment of him 09:28.510 --> 09:31.070 and Giuliani on the debate stage, you know, 09:31.190 --> 09:34.670 that was just news everywhere, all over the place. 09:34.770 --> 09:37.050 So it was hard to just ignore it, period. 09:38.030 --> 09:40.150 And that's when I started taking notice, 09:40.370 --> 09:42.910 because that was the first time I had ever heard anything like that, 09:43.170 --> 09:46.470 you know, the narrative at the time being that, you know, 09:46.470 --> 09:49.850 these people 6,000 miles away hated us for our freedoms. 09:50.630 --> 09:54.330 And Ron Paul is saying, well, maybe it has something to do with 09:54.330 --> 09:57.110 how we behave in that part of the world. 09:57.630 --> 10:00.330 And it's like, whoa, accountability, you know. 10:01.150 --> 10:01.870 No kidding. 10:02.330 --> 10:04.730 And that just kind of, you know, struck me. 10:04.850 --> 10:08.590 And so not too long after, I was able to pick up a Ron Paul book. 10:08.690 --> 10:10.650 So I was still in high school at the time. 10:11.590 --> 10:15.110 And, you know, just became very familiar with his ideas. 10:15.110 --> 10:18.110 And still at that point, I wasn't super political. 10:19.230 --> 10:25.470 But then a couple of years later about, I would say 2009, 2010, 10:26.310 --> 10:31.410 I had a friend borrow me a copy of The Creature from Jekyll Island 10:31.410 --> 10:33.770 from G. Edward Griffin. 10:34.230 --> 10:34.510 Amazing. 10:34.730 --> 10:36.750 And then it was all uphill from there. 10:36.910 --> 10:40.050 I read that book, found out that our money is fake 10:40.050 --> 10:41.630 and 100% controlled. 10:42.450 --> 10:44.930 And then it did just change my life. 10:45.450 --> 10:49.470 And then from there, I wasn't, it still wasn't too like active. 10:49.870 --> 10:54.670 I kind of had this mentality of, well, you know, I'll just be a libertarian. 10:54.790 --> 10:55.510 Like that's enough. 10:55.990 --> 11:01.970 And then, you know, I started getting more active before, before COVID. 11:02.290 --> 11:04.130 But I still wasn't super active. 11:04.150 --> 11:07.810 But I was, you know, I was outspoken and I was, you know, 11:08.070 --> 11:10.250 forcing myself into public debates. 11:10.250 --> 11:14.010 And I was, you know, attending meetings out in real life. 11:14.190 --> 11:18.210 But really it was, you know, the beginning of COVID 11:18.210 --> 11:22.490 that got me really on the track to start my own show. 11:22.910 --> 11:27.490 And then got me involved in the Libertarian Party here in Utah. 11:27.930 --> 11:30.050 And then ultimately nationally. 11:31.070 --> 11:33.910 So that's kind of, you know, the path I took. 11:35.010 --> 11:38.750 That entire time, of course, I was learning libertarian philosophy 11:38.750 --> 11:42.330 and going back and, you know, reading, you know, 11:42.870 --> 11:45.430 of course I would blank on any of the books that I would be reading, 11:45.530 --> 11:48.410 but just libertarian philosophy, just learning what it is 11:49.150 --> 11:52.090 and how it differs from the system that we have now. 11:52.410 --> 11:56.170 Also at the time, it was kind of just a side interest of mine. 11:56.270 --> 11:58.130 I actually didn't even put two and two together. 11:59.110 --> 12:03.870 But I've always been a massive fan or not fan. 12:04.010 --> 12:05.570 That's a terrible way to put this. 12:05.570 --> 12:10.370 But I've always been a student of like MKUltra and Mind Control 12:10.370 --> 12:15.850 and brainwashing and media narratives and these sorts of things. 12:16.050 --> 12:22.750 Definitely not a fan of, but definitely something I've spent a lot of time learning. 12:22.930 --> 12:27.310 I'm about 10 years deep into that sort of research and learning about. 12:27.810 --> 12:31.130 So yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I came from. 12:31.130 --> 12:35.850 And, you know, like you mentioned in the introduction, 12:36.030 --> 12:37.470 I've been a candidate before. 12:37.870 --> 12:41.810 I've ran for District 9 of the State House here in Utah twice. 12:42.230 --> 12:43.450 I've helped on campaigns. 12:44.110 --> 12:50.010 Even now I still help run communications for the Utah Libertarian Party. 12:50.630 --> 12:55.270 Although I've taken a step back politically just because of kind of how I view things 12:55.270 --> 13:00.290 and kind of what I think is actually going to help moving forward in this country. 13:00.290 --> 13:05.870 But yeah, that's kind of where I've been, where I came from. 13:06.710 --> 13:07.530 No, I love it, man. 13:07.730 --> 13:12.610 It sounds like it was kind of like a multi-phase evolution, if you will. 13:13.170 --> 13:18.130 There was some seedlings there and then you maybe took a little action 13:18.130 --> 13:20.670 and did a little work to educate yourself, 13:20.810 --> 13:24.110 but still worked quite completely inspired or motivated. 13:24.410 --> 13:29.370 And then, of course, COVID maybe gave you that swift kick in the ass 13:29.370 --> 13:30.730 like it did for so many people. 13:31.370 --> 13:33.650 And I'm so glad that you did though, bro, 13:33.710 --> 13:37.350 because I've taken value from your posts and from your work. 13:37.870 --> 13:40.310 And it's one thing to be an armchair warrior, 13:40.550 --> 13:44.570 somebody who's talking about these things on social media 13:44.570 --> 13:46.090 or maybe with some friends here and there. 13:46.270 --> 13:49.810 But unfortunately, at this point in time, that isn't enough. 13:49.990 --> 13:52.910 We really need to be all stepping up to the plate, 13:53.190 --> 13:55.470 all inserting ourselves in different ways. 13:55.970 --> 13:59.550 However we can, whatever limitations that apply, of course, 13:59.830 --> 14:04.350 to your own personal lives, obviously have to be taken to account for. 14:04.570 --> 14:07.110 But at the same time, I feel like we need more of that. 14:07.270 --> 14:10.250 In fact, one of my very first social media pages was called 14:10.250 --> 14:11.990 Get Involved, You Live Here. 14:12.530 --> 14:15.310 And that was kind of, even though I didn't quite understand 14:15.310 --> 14:18.390 the full spectrum of politics and what was going on. 14:18.650 --> 14:21.750 So I love to hear that that was kind of your wake-up process. 14:21.750 --> 14:25.730 Yeah, I agree 100% man about never really being told the truth 14:25.730 --> 14:29.410 throughout school and there is so much revisionist history now 14:29.410 --> 14:31.950 that it is important that, yeah, not only are we out there 14:31.950 --> 14:36.610 trying to do what we can, but also on that never-ending quest 14:36.610 --> 14:40.970 for self-improvement, self-education, continually climbing 14:40.970 --> 14:42.590 that mountain of enlightenment. 14:43.170 --> 14:46.110 And there really is so much still, even with all the censorship 14:46.110 --> 14:49.070 industry and the censorship apparatus that still exists 14:49.070 --> 14:50.470 to a certain extent on social media. 14:50.470 --> 14:52.650 There's still so many ways to educate yourself. 14:53.370 --> 14:57.570 And even though social media has been kind of turned against us 14:57.570 --> 15:00.710 in some ways, it still feels like there is endless opportunity 15:01.330 --> 15:04.410 to really drill down on your own ideology, 15:04.590 --> 15:06.330 your own worldviews, your own beliefs. 15:06.550 --> 15:09.390 And I don't think there's ever been a better time in history 15:09.390 --> 15:09.870 for that. 15:10.550 --> 15:13.150 Now, speaking of which, it certainly helps when you have 15:13.150 --> 15:15.810 parents who kind of set you up in the right direction 15:15.810 --> 15:18.030 and give you those skills to think critically. 15:18.030 --> 15:21.070 So I just wanted to say, first off here, I want to shake 15:21.070 --> 15:23.650 your parents' hand for even placing you in this position 15:23.650 --> 15:27.310 to be open-minded enough to entertain some of these ideas 15:27.310 --> 15:30.030 that the majority of the people might find a little crazy. 15:31.030 --> 15:35.230 And that, to me, you mentioned how Ron Paul was talking 15:35.710 --> 15:36.870 about legalizing drugs. 15:37.150 --> 15:41.470 I mean, yeah, that was so counterintuitive back in 2008 15:41.470 --> 15:42.870 and 2012, you know? 15:42.990 --> 15:45.650 I mean, even when I ran across to Ron Paul, 15:46.210 --> 15:48.630 and of course, yeah, I saw his names before, you know, 15:48.670 --> 15:51.390 I'd see Banner Hanks, Ron Paul, two first names. 15:51.490 --> 15:52.210 I don't know, that's weird. 15:52.570 --> 15:55.970 It seemed interesting to me, but never enough to look into it. 15:56.090 --> 16:00.650 But what really struck me in 2011 was watching him debate 16:00.650 --> 16:02.430 and, yeah, talking about these issues, 16:02.530 --> 16:07.210 not as like a state-sponsored cheerleader trying to justify 16:07.210 --> 16:11.070 and defend state action, but actually kind of specifically 16:11.070 --> 16:14.870 pointing the finger at the policies that have gotten us 16:14.870 --> 16:18.210 into these positions that have been so damaging to the country, 16:18.350 --> 16:18.550 you know? 16:18.870 --> 16:23.050 So, yeah, Ron Paul, you know, he really is the goat 16:23.050 --> 16:26.050 when it comes to this, and I feel like we've dedicated 16:26.050 --> 16:29.390 the last three or four podcasts talking about Ron Paul 16:29.390 --> 16:33.670 endlessly, but you know, it is funny that you were 16:33.670 --> 16:35.970 one who started from the Ron Paul camp 16:35.970 --> 16:38.750 because some of us who have kind of explored more 16:38.750 --> 16:41.930 into the conspiracy realm and also kind of solidified 16:41.930 --> 16:44.270 our own values through voluntarism. 16:44.930 --> 16:47.010 We don't all point back to Ron Paul. 16:47.130 --> 16:49.670 There is a large majority of us, but not everybody, 16:49.770 --> 16:51.070 especially in the conspiracy realm, 16:51.170 --> 16:52.590 really has those Ron Paul roots. 16:52.890 --> 16:55.450 So, I'm glad to hear that we're brothers in that sense. 16:56.030 --> 16:59.010 And you also mentioned G. Edward Griffin there, you know. 16:59.390 --> 17:01.310 Yeah, he was on the podcast a few months ago. 17:01.550 --> 17:02.730 Another brilliant mind. 17:03.310 --> 17:05.010 I think he's like 93 or something. 17:05.250 --> 17:06.610 Like so sharp, man. 17:06.910 --> 17:08.810 Like he was sharper than we were on the podcast. 17:08.810 --> 17:09.290 I know. 17:09.290 --> 17:12.050 We were trying to recall facts and he was like boom, boom, boom. 17:12.190 --> 17:15.070 Like here it is and spelling it out in perfect detail. 17:15.330 --> 17:17.650 So, definitely listen to that podcast, guys. 17:17.910 --> 17:19.010 Absolutely mind blowing. 17:19.430 --> 17:21.510 Probably one of my favorites so far this year. 17:22.030 --> 17:25.450 But you did talk about the MK Altra stuff, 17:26.270 --> 17:27.910 the Mind Control PsyOps, 17:28.110 --> 17:30.090 and I kind of want to dig into that a bit here 17:30.090 --> 17:33.190 because I know that's one of your topics 17:33.190 --> 17:34.610 that you've really focused on. 17:34.910 --> 17:38.030 It's something that I have focused on over the years as well. 17:38.030 --> 17:42.670 And just recently, I shared a meme from a former guest of this show, 17:42.810 --> 17:44.250 a meme guru, Rick Fry. 17:44.890 --> 17:46.470 I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work. 17:46.850 --> 17:48.990 Winston Montog was one of his accounts. 17:49.310 --> 17:51.410 Prophetic, Memetics was another one. 17:51.870 --> 17:56.370 But it was this meme with Daisy Ridley pointing at the camera 17:56.370 --> 17:57.610 and the text said, 17:58.010 --> 18:01.090 Guess who's being bombarded with psychological operations 18:01.090 --> 18:03.270 to put you in a state of fear-based mind control? 18:03.910 --> 18:06.010 And it's so simple, right? 18:06.010 --> 18:08.050 It's just, but it's also so accurate. 18:08.270 --> 18:10.750 It almost seems like common sense to people like us, 18:10.750 --> 18:14.390 but it's actually very profound in the sense that it's exactly what's happening. 18:15.090 --> 18:19.430 And, you know, we could see it with the constant onslaught of fear-based platitudes 18:19.430 --> 18:20.790 coming from the Trump administration, 18:21.230 --> 18:24.010 this office treaty and obfuscation coming from the media, 18:24.530 --> 18:27.590 regarding things kind of like, you know, the Charlie Kirk assassination. 18:28.310 --> 18:30.270 I mean, a lot of red flags there. 18:30.490 --> 18:32.050 Of course, the frequent mass shootings. 18:32.050 --> 18:37.550 And of course, we also can't forget the never-ending illegal immigrant crisis hysteria 18:37.550 --> 18:43.390 that has basically allowed most of the right to completely abandon their small government values. 18:45.150 --> 18:49.250 So where have you been seeing this applied the most right now? 18:49.670 --> 18:53.090 And even for people who claim to be like impervious to these things, 18:53.210 --> 18:56.250 like how do we teach them to flip the script 18:56.250 --> 18:58.430 without becoming part of the PSYOP themselves? 19:00.150 --> 19:03.090 So first, I'm going to start off by answering this. 19:03.510 --> 19:07.990 I agree with the fact that, like, we need to be involved. 19:08.450 --> 19:15.270 First and foremost, one of the things that I learned, you know, from being an autodidact, I guess, 19:15.650 --> 19:20.150 is being familiar with the Revolutionary War time period 19:20.150 --> 19:25.290 is we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you know, 19:25.290 --> 19:31.530 and the Bill of Rights is a list of rules from the citizens to the state. 19:32.810 --> 19:39.230 But the other side of this is that, and this is why I believe we are in the position that we are in 19:39.230 --> 19:45.370 with this overreaching state, is actually we do have a duty to be involved, 19:45.590 --> 19:46.990 whether we like it or not. 19:47.230 --> 19:52.150 It's actually just one of the responsibilities of being a citizen of this country. 19:53.350 --> 19:59.290 And I mean, how much you're involved, it kind of dictates, you know, what your life is like. 19:59.410 --> 20:05.190 But we do have to be involved because we are the final check and balance. 20:05.890 --> 20:09.750 Now, I think one of the biggest issues is that if something, 20:10.230 --> 20:16.410 if an even low-level politician, a county commissioner or city councilman 20:16.410 --> 20:21.570 or anyone all the way up to the president or congressman, senators, 20:21.830 --> 20:24.470 it doesn't matter if anybody does something corrupt. 20:24.710 --> 20:30.790 I mean, there's practically no consequence. 20:31.730 --> 20:33.550 I mean, they apologize. 20:34.610 --> 20:39.870 Maybe they lose their position or maybe they lose some donors, but that's about it. 20:39.870 --> 20:46.610 I mean, there used to be consequences to behaving, you know, in a corrupted manner. 20:47.150 --> 20:52.970 Used to have, you know, all sorts of, you know, public exposure from it. 20:53.130 --> 20:54.190 You would lose your position. 20:54.410 --> 20:57.110 You wouldn't be able to run in the future because everyone knows who you are. 20:57.370 --> 20:59.350 Like there was actual consequences to this. 20:59.690 --> 21:08.870 And because people aren't involved, I believe that and just decades and decades of compromises 21:08.870 --> 21:12.990 of, well, okay, I guess they can be a little corrupt here. 21:13.190 --> 21:14.250 That's not going to get any worse. 21:14.350 --> 21:18.970 But if they do any more, then we're going to really step in, but we never step in. 21:19.050 --> 21:22.550 And I think that's kind of how we've gotten to where we are. 21:23.530 --> 21:27.330 And so I do believe that we have a duty to be involved in this. 21:27.790 --> 21:35.530 Now, to answer your question about like how do we prevent ourselves from really getting swept up 21:35.530 --> 21:38.130 and all of the brainwashing and everything. 21:39.050 --> 21:47.530 First, I would like to just briefly give you a definition of exactly what is brainwashing. 21:48.050 --> 21:56.770 So brainwashing is quote about indoctrinating so intensely and meticulously 21:56.770 --> 22:02.050 until it creates a radical transformation of psychological characteristics and beliefs. 22:02.050 --> 22:08.370 So we are basically force fed information, whether good or bad is kind of irrelevant, 22:08.670 --> 22:15.510 but we're force fed information to the point where it actually changes who we are fundamentally. 22:16.410 --> 22:20.970 Now, one of the best ways to fight back against this is education, period. 22:21.590 --> 22:23.590 That's just one of the best ways. 22:24.130 --> 22:30.050 And that's kind of why I do what I do now with my show and with my platforms is 22:30.050 --> 22:36.030 because I'm trying to educate people on exactly what psychological operations are, 22:36.450 --> 22:44.350 exactly what brainwashing is, and also expose the history that's been regurgitated by many people over the years. 22:45.290 --> 22:49.990 But I believe that it needs to be repeated until it's driven home. 22:50.650 --> 22:54.890 I mean, I still know many, many people that have never even heard of MKUltra, 22:54.890 --> 23:01.890 but yet this largely took place from the late 40s to the early 70s, at least officially. 23:02.770 --> 23:07.570 And there are people that have no idea that it ever existed, that it ever happened, 23:07.590 --> 23:10.410 or even to the extent that it went to. 23:11.330 --> 23:14.430 So first and foremost, the best thing is just education. 23:14.830 --> 23:19.030 And that doesn't mean that you have to watch CNN, MSNBC. 23:19.290 --> 23:22.730 You don't have to watch all the news channels to be educated. 23:22.730 --> 23:25.910 In fact, one of the best things you can do is just read books. 23:26.210 --> 23:31.230 Even if they are propaganda books, you can just start noticing patterns. 23:32.110 --> 23:35.810 And really, that's kind of a thing out of human nature, right? 23:35.990 --> 23:40.230 That I think people really need to strengthen is their pattern recognition, 23:40.230 --> 23:45.490 because I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with what a Galton board is, 23:45.650 --> 23:49.490 but it's a board that has a bunch of pebbles and it basically shows, 23:49.490 --> 23:54.630 like you flip one side up and it drops a bunch of little BBs 23:54.630 --> 23:59.210 and it drops it down into a pattern to show the bell curve. 23:59.870 --> 24:04.850 And the point of the Galton board is that it shows that even though there is 24:04.850 --> 24:09.350 randomness and chaos at the end of it, there actually isn't. 24:09.470 --> 24:10.630 There's a pattern to everything. 24:11.130 --> 24:15.270 And this is one of the most important things for education in general. 24:15.390 --> 24:18.610 And in fact, if you take an IQ test, that's actually what they're testing, 24:18.610 --> 24:22.850 is your ability to discern patterns, which is why, you know, 24:22.930 --> 24:30.690 they show you certain questions like they'll have one, 31, 233, 674. 24:30.910 --> 24:31.670 What's the next number? 24:31.950 --> 24:35.190 And it's because they're trying to test your ability to recognize 24:35.190 --> 24:37.110 patterns and be able to discern those. 24:38.010 --> 24:42.270 So really, listening to shows like this, listening to shows like mine, 24:42.310 --> 24:46.070 or whatever your favorite show is, is one step to do it. 24:46.070 --> 24:50.990 Reading books is another finding out exactly different versions 24:50.990 --> 24:56.650 of history because what we were told in school is definitely not the whole truth. 24:56.810 --> 25:01.230 There are, you know, true bits sprinkled in, but it's not the full truth. 25:01.390 --> 25:06.190 So really just breaking out of your shell and start learning to continue 25:06.190 --> 25:10.770 to learn and never give up is one of the best ways to fight back against this. 25:11.170 --> 25:12.730 Oh, I agree completely, man. 25:13.270 --> 25:16.450 Unfortunately, we have that whole mind control thing that we're dealing with 25:16.450 --> 25:20.030 and it allows people not to bear, forces people not to be able to do that, right? 25:20.650 --> 25:23.530 I want to go a little bit deeper on MKUltra. 25:23.690 --> 25:25.910 Like that's what, when Jason mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, 25:26.170 --> 25:29.410 how I got excited about it, that's a, it's something we've covered 25:29.410 --> 25:31.170 at the Freethought Project for a long time. 25:31.170 --> 25:34.570 And I've done a lot of research on over the years because like the 25:34.570 --> 25:39.370 declassified history is more insane than any type of fiction that's ever been 25:39.370 --> 25:41.950 written, right? That just happened in the fucking United States. 25:42.570 --> 25:45.930 I mean, we're talking about programs that go back to the 50s and the 60s 25:45.930 --> 25:50.270 where the CIA was dosing John's and brothels in San Francisco. 25:50.590 --> 25:54.350 They were hiring prostitutes to slip LSD in their drinks 25:54.350 --> 25:58.910 and then fucking creepily watching them, you know, in the hotel rooms 25:58.910 --> 25:59.830 through two-way mirrors. 26:00.050 --> 26:02.610 That was called Operation Midnight Climax, ironically. 26:03.130 --> 26:06.550 Man, they were dosing their own agents. 26:06.550 --> 26:09.630 They were dosing prisoners, mental patients, fucking. 26:10.330 --> 26:13.050 There's this book by Tom O'Neill called Chaos. 26:13.810 --> 26:14.210 Yes, sir. 26:14.370 --> 26:18.650 It documents the bizarre like crazy connections between Charles Manson 26:18.650 --> 26:21.910 and the CIA's Mind Control Networks that they were doing with all this LSD 26:21.910 --> 26:25.530 and they were operating in these California communities. 26:25.930 --> 26:27.210 It's fucking wild. 26:27.690 --> 26:29.150 And this all happened, right? 26:29.650 --> 26:32.610 The official story is that like these programs were shut down 26:32.610 --> 26:34.970 after they were exposed in the 70s, you know? 26:34.970 --> 26:39.850 But I mean, their stated goal during those studies was to master Mind Control 26:39.850 --> 26:45.750 and we'd be completely naive to think that they would just abandon their holy grail, right? 26:46.070 --> 26:47.650 They didn't fucking stop this shit. 26:47.730 --> 26:50.670 They just stopped leaving a paper trail, basically. 26:51.310 --> 26:54.170 And it's quite evident that they've dialed it in, right? 26:54.290 --> 26:55.470 We were just talking about that. 26:56.070 --> 26:57.890 The dial in Mind Control is on full display. 26:58.190 --> 27:02.810 We can watch members of both political parties completely ignore 27:02.810 --> 27:07.670 the horrifying crimes and corruption by their own team and heroes, you know? 27:07.790 --> 27:13.230 While simultaneously seeing evil in every action taken by the air quotes other side, right? 27:13.890 --> 27:15.930 The paralysis goes even deeper. 27:16.190 --> 27:19.130 Like people have programmed to, like you just said earlier, 27:19.330 --> 27:20.790 never step in, right? 27:20.910 --> 27:22.190 To change these things themselves. 27:22.770 --> 27:26.630 Instead, the only solution that they ever offer is to give their team more power 27:26.630 --> 27:30.590 and then they act fucking shocked when the other team comes into power 27:30.590 --> 27:32.550 and then that same power gets used against them. 27:33.190 --> 27:35.470 It's a perfect fucking loop of control 27:35.470 --> 27:39.810 and it's the most obvious form of Mind Control that anybody who could, 27:39.910 --> 27:41.710 people like us that can pay attention and see that 27:41.710 --> 27:45.390 and it's so sad to not be able to pull people from that. 27:45.570 --> 27:47.090 They're just in it, man. 27:47.750 --> 27:50.390 So basically with that as a prime example, you know, 27:50.890 --> 27:56.090 where else do you see like the fruits of that dark research being deployed today? 27:56.090 --> 28:00.250 Like what other modern phenomenon like from mass shooters 28:00.250 --> 28:04.510 to like the bizarre fucking crazy shit politicians say sometimes? 28:05.190 --> 28:07.770 Like do you see the fingerprints of any of this shit? 28:07.930 --> 28:10.370 Like this modern Mind Control programming all over them? 28:10.770 --> 28:11.550 Oh, yeah. 28:11.670 --> 28:13.410 I mean, it's literally everywhere. 28:13.770 --> 28:19.470 You cannot wake up in a day without stepping in it, you know? 28:19.610 --> 28:21.570 Like it literally is everywhere. 28:21.570 --> 28:26.270 Social media is the perfect platform for repetition 28:26.270 --> 28:29.970 and the most basic form of Mind Control is repetition. 28:30.170 --> 28:31.290 It's just over and over. 28:31.430 --> 28:34.950 And that's why this left versus right works so well, right? 28:35.810 --> 28:38.970 Is because it's the same thing over and over again. 28:39.050 --> 28:42.950 And if you talk to somebody who is still believing in that, 28:43.090 --> 28:46.050 you know, left versus right paradigm, I mean, 28:46.070 --> 28:48.590 they'll defend that to their death almost. 28:48.590 --> 28:51.770 It's the most wild thing I've ever seen. 28:52.610 --> 28:56.270 I mean, and the evidence that, you know, 28:57.070 --> 29:01.730 these quote unquote different factions are actually not factions. 29:01.870 --> 29:04.850 They're just one big club that we are not in. 29:05.170 --> 29:09.270 Like George Carlin famously said, I mean, it's so apparent. 29:10.350 --> 29:14.730 But that's the downside to Mind Control and brainwashing is that 29:14.730 --> 29:17.830 to us, it's apparent because we can see through the veil 29:17.830 --> 29:21.750 to people who are brainwashed, it's not apparent. 29:22.210 --> 29:26.350 And because it's just been repeated over and over and over again. 29:26.690 --> 29:31.170 And so as far as where we see it, I mean, it is literally everywhere. 29:31.370 --> 29:34.050 That does sound kind of like a cop-out answer, 29:34.150 --> 29:37.810 but the places that we don't see it, 29:38.470 --> 29:42.630 I have a hard time thinking of a place where it's not. 29:43.250 --> 29:45.330 And that was kind of the whole point to this. 29:45.330 --> 29:49.230 It's because there's two different kinds of mind control and brainwashing. 29:49.410 --> 29:52.970 And that's individual mind control and brainwashing. 29:53.230 --> 29:56.850 And then there's also mass mind control and brainwashing. 29:57.190 --> 30:00.170 Right now it kind of seems like the powers that be 30:00.170 --> 30:03.130 are definitely focusing on the mass mind control. 30:03.590 --> 30:05.530 But I mean, that happens through social media, 30:05.530 --> 30:09.510 through programmed algorithms, the mainstream media, 30:09.510 --> 30:12.890 which I have zero clue how they are still even existing, 30:12.890 --> 30:16.190 other than the fact that they are just artificially propped up. 30:16.530 --> 30:19.410 And then, I mean, it's just everywhere. 30:19.630 --> 30:23.170 It's in the schools. It's at your work. It's in your social groups. 30:24.190 --> 30:28.910 When you hang out with friends and somebody parrots a narrative 30:28.910 --> 30:31.810 that is being pushed by mainstream media, 30:32.430 --> 30:35.890 I mean, that is the mind control reaching your social group. 30:35.990 --> 30:37.870 So it is literally everywhere. 30:38.430 --> 30:43.930 Yeah. Isn't that sad? We're like the society of passive reverberators. 30:44.790 --> 30:45.150 Right. 30:46.070 --> 30:50.950 We just mockingbird the days talking points that are handed down from us 30:50.950 --> 30:53.910 for the mass media and question nothing. 30:54.490 --> 30:56.650 And you said it starts in the schools. 30:56.810 --> 31:00.010 That kind of brings me to my next question, which is school shootings, right? 31:00.630 --> 31:00.790 Right. 31:01.130 --> 31:02.890 And then mass shootings in general, right? 31:03.390 --> 31:07.010 The state and the media always immediately pivot every time 31:07.010 --> 31:10.230 one of these tragedies occurs. It's the tired script, right? 31:10.470 --> 31:12.310 Gun control. We need to fucking ban guns. 31:13.090 --> 31:15.590 But like speaking on the same vein as mind control, right? 31:15.670 --> 31:18.470 We know that some of these medications that are tied to these 31:18.870 --> 31:23.810 are directly tied to suicidal ideation, homicidal ideation, right? 31:24.310 --> 31:26.870 We've been reporting on that at the Free Thought Project for years 31:26.870 --> 31:30.650 and it's a massive elephant in the room that even when the media 31:30.650 --> 31:32.750 tries to talk about it, they cut them off. 31:32.990 --> 31:34.030 They fire them. 31:34.030 --> 31:38.070 I mean, there's countless examples of like media personalities 31:38.070 --> 31:41.690 trying to make that link on air and Fox News or CNN, 31:41.910 --> 31:43.030 they'll cut to a commercial immediately. 31:43.350 --> 31:46.110 And that's because they're paid by the very people who these 31:46.110 --> 31:47.570 are making these drugs, right? 31:48.190 --> 31:51.470 But I mean, if you look at like the list of names that it's 31:51.470 --> 31:56.130 like Dylan Klebow, James Holmes, Nicholas Cruz, the Vegas shooter, 31:56.550 --> 31:59.290 the, I mean, fucking everybody, every single one of these 31:59.290 --> 32:03.210 mass shooters, like 99% of them, they all have one thing in common 32:03.210 --> 32:07.450 that was the fact that they were all reportedly taking these 32:07.450 --> 32:11.630 drugs known to cause aggression, psychosis, homicidal ideation, 32:11.770 --> 32:15.410 suicidal ideation, you know, there's hundreds of studies 32:15.410 --> 32:18.450 that show this, you know, and it's written on the fucking packages. 32:18.910 --> 32:22.230 We had this great guest on Just The Inserts and we talked 32:22.230 --> 32:26.470 about that then on the podcast and when the medicine says 32:26.470 --> 32:28.550 it might make you fucking think about killing people. 32:28.910 --> 32:31.310 And the fact that we can't talk about that when people 32:31.310 --> 32:34.310 go and kill a lot of people, I think that's really fucked up, right? 32:34.650 --> 32:35.170 Right. 32:35.370 --> 32:39.090 I mean, since like 1988, antidepressant use has skyrocketed. 32:39.330 --> 32:43.350 It's, it's, it's, I think it's some fucking, something like 30% 32:43.350 --> 32:47.270 of the entire population in this country is on some sort of 32:47.270 --> 32:48.570 of antidepressant, man. 32:48.630 --> 32:50.010 And it's fucking wild. 32:50.390 --> 32:52.610 Like we have this mountain of evidence from all these 32:52.610 --> 32:56.590 scientific studies that legal precedences and all the data 32:56.590 --> 33:00.430 that shows that these have contributed or are tied to 33:00.430 --> 33:04.270 have a very high confident coefficient tied to mass shootings, 33:04.510 --> 33:07.370 right? From your research, like how, how do you think how strong 33:07.370 --> 33:10.410 is the link between, you know, this big pharma medication 33:10.410 --> 33:12.190 and these violent outbursts? 33:12.350 --> 33:15.570 And do you think it's, it's something, something completely 33:15.570 --> 33:19.330 separate or like from, from the NKO mind control or like 33:19.330 --> 33:21.470 a coincidental thing that we just don't know about. 33:21.690 --> 33:24.190 And maybe the pharmaceutical giants are trying to just keep 33:24.190 --> 33:26.770 it secret or, or what do you think, man? 33:26.770 --> 33:30.870 No, I genuinely believe this is directly tied to MKUltra. 33:31.230 --> 33:35.410 This is, so we, so one of the, one of the things that MKUltra 33:35.410 --> 33:40.190 is like known for is drug induced trauma. 33:40.790 --> 33:44.530 I mean, that's now MKUltra was a lot more than that, 33:44.670 --> 33:48.170 but that is the famous thing that it's known for, right? 33:48.290 --> 33:52.670 It's like the LSD testing, but they tested more than 33:52.670 --> 33:55.870 just LSD, there was actually hundreds of drugs that they 33:55.870 --> 33:58.970 tested. And then in fact, this was the invention of many 33:58.970 --> 34:02.030 drugs that are still being used today, like Prozac, 34:02.310 --> 34:04.830 Adderall, Ritalin, just to name a couple. 34:05.570 --> 34:08.290 I mean, they, they tested caffeine, they tested nicotine, 34:08.730 --> 34:10.830 they, they tested everything you can think of all the 34:10.830 --> 34:13.990 way from, you know, something that seems so harmless 34:13.990 --> 34:18.170 like caffeine and nicotine all the way to, you know, nerve 34:18.170 --> 34:19.910 agents and everything in between. 34:20.230 --> 34:25.150 So the fact that there's a huge number of the population 34:25.150 --> 34:29.850 on medication and then we have constant fear being pushed 34:29.850 --> 34:32.470 to us through mainstream media and social media, 34:32.850 --> 34:35.250 specifically, you know, just take the Charlie Kirk 34:35.250 --> 34:39.950 incident. That was trauma based mind control because 34:39.950 --> 34:42.810 the algorithms allowed us to be able to see the most 34:42.810 --> 34:46.630 graphic video that, you know, I've seen since the 34:46.630 --> 34:50.190 early 2000s on just the, you know, front normal 34:50.190 --> 34:54.350 inner, inner webs, you know, it's like, you know, 34:54.350 --> 34:57.490 I was on the internet back in the day when there was, 34:57.530 --> 35:00.230 you know, these gore sites like gore.com or 35:00.230 --> 35:01.530 Rotten.com. 35:01.630 --> 35:03.790 Yeah, Rotten.com, a lot of, so, you know, I'm 35:03.790 --> 35:05.950 desensitized to a lot of stuff like that and it's, 35:05.950 --> 35:08.570 it's not necessarily something I'm proud of, but, 35:09.190 --> 35:11.990 you know, I'm just a product of that generation and 35:12.690 --> 35:15.570 it's crazy to me. These sites don't exist anymore, 35:15.630 --> 35:18.170 although you can still find stuff like that. 35:18.210 --> 35:21.690 It's just a lot more difficult, but on that day, 35:21.690 --> 35:26.650 that video was everywhere. Everyone saw it and 35:26.650 --> 35:30.190 one thing that we learned from, or I guess that 35:30.190 --> 35:35.030 they learned from MKUltra was that people need to 35:35.030 --> 35:40.750 be traumatized under or not always, but one of 35:40.750 --> 35:44.210 the best ways to brainwash somebody is to 35:44.210 --> 35:47.050 traumatize them while they're drug induced. 35:47.530 --> 35:50.650 So we have a massive portion of the population 35:50.650 --> 35:53.950 who is under medication and it's, it's not just 35:53.950 --> 35:57.090 the, it's not just the antidepressants, it's pain 35:57.090 --> 35:59.950 meds, it's, you know, stimulates, it's, it's 35:59.950 --> 36:01.750 literally anything and then we also have the 36:01.750 --> 36:04.370 legal drugs like caffeine, nicotine, alcohol. 36:04.870 --> 36:07.890 Alcohol is insanely popular amongst, you know, 36:07.970 --> 36:10.990 the brainwashing crowd because it allows you 36:10.990 --> 36:13.590 to drop certain walls that we hold up in our 36:13.590 --> 36:16.230 brain to be able to prevent us from being 36:16.230 --> 36:18.630 hypnotized and that's basically what this 36:18.630 --> 36:21.670 is, right, is we're being hypnotized because 36:21.670 --> 36:25.710 we're having the same messages repeated to us 36:25.710 --> 36:28.410 over and over and over again and this was 36:28.410 --> 36:31.510 discovered actually before MKUltra under 36:31.510 --> 36:34.610 Project Bluebird, which is, you know, basically 36:34.610 --> 36:38.650 that a combined hypnotism and drug induced 36:38.650 --> 36:43.330 trauma that, that opens us up to be in a 36:43.330 --> 36:46.230 state of fight or flight, but not to the 36:46.230 --> 36:48.730 point where we actually do fight or flight, but 36:48.730 --> 36:51.750 just enough that they're able to insert narratives 36:51.750 --> 36:54.910 into us and then us run with that. 36:55.430 --> 36:58.570 Like at the time, even, even people that were 36:58.570 --> 37:01.230 aware of these sorts of tactics, like right 37:01.890 --> 37:04.650 after it happened, everyone was looking for 37:04.650 --> 37:07.410 any sort of bit of information and one thing 37:07.410 --> 37:10.470 that kind of blows my mind is the story that 37:10.470 --> 37:13.230 Charlie Kirk's wife and children were there. 37:13.230 --> 37:15.610 They weren't. They weren't. 37:16.670 --> 37:19.870 No, they weren't. That, that, and I don't 37:19.870 --> 37:21.630 know where that story came from because the 37:21.630 --> 37:25.530 story was, you know, his wife saw it and his 37:25.530 --> 37:27.590 little daughter, you know, ran to him 37:27.590 --> 37:29.570 because she was scared of the noise and they 37:29.570 --> 37:31.410 weren't there from what I understand that 37:31.410 --> 37:34.030 they were in Utah, but they weren't at the 37:34.030 --> 37:38.190 event. So, I mean, that, that's just a 37:38.190 --> 37:40.470 way to elevate the trauma because I mean 37:40.470 --> 37:43.810 that's horrific. That is absolutely horrific 37:43.810 --> 37:46.270 to think his little girl running to him, but 37:46.270 --> 37:48.390 that never happened. And I don't know where 37:48.390 --> 37:50.930 that story came from either. But in my 37:50.930 --> 37:53.070 opinion, it's, it's very clear that it came 37:53.070 --> 37:54.730 from somebody trying to push a certain 37:54.730 --> 37:57.130 narrative, trying to up that trauma. 37:58.590 --> 38:02.390 And now it seems like everything surrounding 38:02.390 --> 38:05.310 it is just pure chaos, which is part of 38:05.310 --> 38:08.370 the whole narrative. So, yeah, no, I, I 38:08.370 --> 38:12.110 think this is directly tied to the things 38:12.110 --> 38:14.430 that were tested and learned under MK 38:14.430 --> 38:14.890 Ultram. 38:15.570 --> 38:18.070 Wow, man. Yeah, my, my head's spinning a 38:18.070 --> 38:20.750 little bit right now because I mean, I've 38:20.750 --> 38:22.490 certainly heard the people talking about 38:22.490 --> 38:24.290 how his family was there and how it was 38:24.290 --> 38:26.950 obviously very traumatic for them, but 38:26.950 --> 38:29.590 yeah, I guess I didn't bother to 38:29.590 --> 38:31.390 confirm that. There was just so many 38:31.390 --> 38:33.790 people repeating it. So, I didn't even 38:33.790 --> 38:36.750 look into it, but it does exactly what 38:36.750 --> 38:39.530 you said. It does elevate the fear 38:39.530 --> 38:42.770 tactics, it elevates the outrage, it 38:42.770 --> 38:45.910 elevates the emotional toll that 38:45.910 --> 38:49.050 it takes on people. And you know, you 38:49.050 --> 38:50.330 made another great point there too, 38:50.450 --> 38:53.570 Jacob, that these social media sites 38:53.570 --> 38:57.050 for years have been trying to limit 38:57.050 --> 38:59.850 the gore, blood, anything with 38:59.850 --> 39:02.690 extreme violence. Their algorithms 39:02.690 --> 39:05.050 automatically pick that stuff up and 39:05.050 --> 39:07.210 censor it out. Yet, I don't know how 39:07.210 --> 39:09.370 many times I've seen not only the 39:09.370 --> 39:11.270 original video of Charlie being shot 39:11.270 --> 39:13.310 and killed, but people 39:13.310 --> 39:15.530 repurposing that video and 39:15.530 --> 39:17.570 making their own video from it and 39:17.570 --> 39:18.970 talking about the different theories 39:18.970 --> 39:21.010 and stuff. And some were, you know, 39:21.090 --> 39:22.770 applied enough to blur out some of the 39:22.770 --> 39:24.390 gore, but a lot of them weren't. 39:24.530 --> 39:27.110 They still exist on social media, so 39:27.110 --> 39:29.150 the idea that it was 39:29.150 --> 39:30.890 something that was allowed to be 39:31.590 --> 39:33.150 promulgated and pushed through 39:33.150 --> 39:35.010 social media, it certainly has 39:36.030 --> 39:37.570 some credibility there, 39:37.670 --> 39:40.250 as far as just looking at both of those 39:40.250 --> 39:43.130 examples that you just gave. And I think 39:43.130 --> 39:45.110 all this does, yeah, point 39:45.110 --> 39:47.510 back to what my original 39:47.510 --> 39:49.130 question was when we first kicked this 39:49.130 --> 39:51.110 off, which is, you know, the fear-based 39:51.110 --> 39:53.270 mind control and how that 39:53.270 --> 39:55.510 does exactly what you said, 39:55.570 --> 39:57.090 put people in a state of fight 39:57.090 --> 39:58.930 or flight. And that actually goes back 39:58.930 --> 40:00.530 to a conversation we had with 40:00.530 --> 40:02.190 the wonderful journalist 40:02.190 --> 40:03.990 Carrie Wedler a couple months ago 40:04.390 --> 40:05.990 where she talks about how to 40:06.490 --> 40:08.490 deprogram yourself, how to rewire your brain, 40:08.690 --> 40:10.270 how to actually take control 40:10.270 --> 40:12.690 over all these mechanisms that we 40:12.690 --> 40:14.430 have in our daily lives, 40:14.430 --> 40:16.730 including through the media apparatus 40:16.730 --> 40:19.050 that are constantly barraging us 40:19.050 --> 40:20.150 with fear-based 40:20.150 --> 40:22.150 information. And so 40:22.150 --> 40:24.530 definitely again, guys, I know 40:24.530 --> 40:26.450 they do this a lot, but listen to that 40:26.450 --> 40:28.450 podcast. That's another great one. I'm 40:28.450 --> 40:30.230 a huge fan of this podcast. If you guys haven't 40:30.230 --> 40:32.010 noticed everybody that we talk to, we really 40:32.010 --> 40:34.190 try to get some amazing guests on here 40:34.190 --> 40:36.230 and we're often able times 40:36.230 --> 40:37.910 to connect the dots from different 40:38.350 --> 40:40.450 previous episodes and really try to 40:40.450 --> 40:41.890 look at the bigger picture. 40:42.710 --> 40:44.390 Man, there is so much to say about 40:44.390 --> 40:46.270 that, but I did kind of want to 40:46.270 --> 40:47.970 touch on the Cointel Pro 40:47.970 --> 40:49.570 side of this as well because 40:50.050 --> 40:52.010 I think that's in your wheelhouse as well 40:52.010 --> 40:53.990 and that was kind of rolled out around 40:53.990 --> 40:55.950 the same time period as the 40:55.950 --> 40:58.030 MK Ultra stuff and 40:58.030 --> 40:59.830 both of those programs 40:59.830 --> 41:02.170 weaponized information, psychology 41:02.790 --> 41:04.190 and state power 41:04.190 --> 41:05.610 more or less to suppress 41:05.610 --> 41:07.830 a descent and to manipulate 41:07.830 --> 41:10.350 perception. Of course, back then 41:10.350 --> 41:12.070 it was, you know, the Cointel 41:12.070 --> 41:13.990 Pro stuff was like using like wire 41:13.990 --> 41:15.970 taps, the MK Ultra stuff, like you 41:15.970 --> 41:17.670 pointed out was LSD 41:17.670 --> 41:20.030 experiments and apparently a lot more than just that 41:20.030 --> 41:22.030 and then of course the infiltration 41:22.030 --> 41:23.930 of activist groups, but 41:23.930 --> 41:25.810 today it seems like the strategies have evolved. 41:26.070 --> 41:27.990 It's less about maybe the physical 41:27.990 --> 41:29.950 realm and more about the mental realm 41:29.950 --> 41:31.890 and these days it's 41:31.890 --> 41:33.730 the AI driven surveillance, the 41:33.730 --> 41:34.750 biometric tracking, 41:35.470 --> 41:37.610 predictive police algorithms that 41:37.610 --> 41:39.550 are being used to monitor and track 41:40.290 --> 41:41.810 which also came 41:41.810 --> 41:43.190 from MK Ultra as well. 41:43.930 --> 41:45.490 We'll have to get into that and 41:45.490 --> 41:47.690 I feel like those two things alone, 41:47.850 --> 41:49.590 the monitor and tracking people is 41:49.590 --> 41:51.930 only inevitably going to create 41:51.930 --> 41:54.050 a chilling effect where people realize 41:54.050 --> 41:55.870 that they're being watched 41:55.870 --> 41:58.330 both in real life and online 41:58.330 --> 42:00.050 and so I think it's going to make them 42:00.050 --> 42:01.630 less likely to participate 42:01.630 --> 42:03.870 in anything that does kind of push 42:03.870 --> 42:05.850 back against the ring of power 42:05.850 --> 42:07.190 and so with 42:07.810 --> 42:09.850 the rise of these facial recognitions that 42:09.850 --> 42:11.950 protest the fusion 42:11.950 --> 42:14.170 centers and companies like Palantir 42:14.170 --> 42:15.950 coordinating all the real-time data 42:15.950 --> 42:18.170 and packaging it up 42:18.170 --> 42:19.870 and selling it and moving it 42:19.870 --> 42:21.910 throughout these various government agencies 42:21.910 --> 42:23.850 and stuff there's even things 42:23.850 --> 42:25.530 like emotion detection 42:25.530 --> 42:27.790 tech being tested in schools and airports 42:27.790 --> 42:29.770 I mean it's getting crazy 42:29.770 --> 42:31.570 so like how do you see these tactics 42:31.570 --> 42:33.730 evolving in the digital age and like 42:33.730 --> 42:35.710 again because I do want to talk about some 42:35.710 --> 42:37.690 strategy here like how does that resistance 42:37.690 --> 42:39.810 look like when the PsyOps 42:39.810 --> 42:41.130 are basically invisible 42:41.670 --> 42:43.790 and baked into the very infrastructure 42:45.250 --> 42:45.810 so 42:45.810 --> 42:47.990 I mean it's kind of difficult 42:47.990 --> 42:48.930 right because 42:49.810 --> 42:51.930 we on one hand like we 42:51.930 --> 42:54.370 do have to have a certain amount of information 42:55.690 --> 42:57.570 but also at the same time 42:57.570 --> 42:59.170 all the information is fake 42:59.770 --> 43:01.910 so it's like it's all fake and gay 43:01.910 --> 43:03.570 right exactly 43:03.570 --> 43:05.690 100% and so 43:05.690 --> 43:07.790 how is it that 43:07.790 --> 43:09.310 we are we 43:09.990 --> 43:11.930 have to get a certain amount of 43:11.930 --> 43:13.910 information but then 43:13.910 --> 43:15.970 we also you know try to protect 43:15.970 --> 43:17.930 ourselves as best as we can from 43:17.930 --> 43:19.850 any information that's 43:19.850 --> 43:20.650 meant to harm us 43:20.650 --> 43:23.670 so I mean just real quick 43:23.670 --> 43:25.590 so the mechanisms of 43:25.590 --> 43:27.050 traumatization and control 43:27.050 --> 43:29.510 so when individuals are 43:29.510 --> 43:31.310 repeatedly or involuntarily 43:31.310 --> 43:32.870 exposed to graphic content 43:32.870 --> 43:35.330 that once again triggers the 43:35.330 --> 43:36.650 body's fight or flight response 43:36.650 --> 43:38.530 via the amygdala 43:38.530 --> 43:40.830 which is the brain's fear center 43:40.830 --> 43:44.310 and the hypothalamus 43:44.310 --> 43:46.390 pretuitary adrenal axis 43:46.390 --> 43:48.270 which basically 43:48.270 --> 43:50.330 floods the system with stress hormones 43:50.330 --> 43:50.930 like 43:51.830 --> 43:53.690 cortisol, adrenaline 43:54.130 --> 43:56.270 and these sorts of things and then this 43:56.270 --> 43:58.550 acute stress actually leads 43:58.550 --> 44:00.550 to hyperarousal, intrusive 44:00.550 --> 44:02.750 memories and emotional numbing 44:02.750 --> 44:04.110 which is you know 44:04.110 --> 44:06.470 part of the whole point behind 44:06.470 --> 44:08.250 this which those three 44:08.250 --> 44:10.370 things are hallmarks of trauma itself 44:10.370 --> 44:11.830 so under 44:11.830 --> 44:14.190 TBMC trauma-based mind control 44:14.190 --> 44:15.570 this is actually 44:15.570 --> 44:18.290 that aspect of it is actually 44:18.290 --> 44:19.550 weaponized 44:19.550 --> 44:21.830 so the trauma causes disassociation 44:22.930 --> 44:23.570 and 44:23.570 --> 44:25.810 I mean this kind of also explains the 44:25.810 --> 44:27.670 huge rise in mental illness 44:27.670 --> 44:29.690 across you know 44:29.690 --> 44:31.610 the entire country and world 44:31.610 --> 44:33.810 and this also in my opinion 44:33.810 --> 44:35.950 explains why the left 44:36.710 --> 44:38.070 you know at least 44:38.070 --> 44:39.890 the voters tend to have more of it 44:39.890 --> 44:41.930 because they pay more attention to 44:41.930 --> 44:43.490 the mainstream media 44:43.490 --> 44:45.590 so we see a huge influx 44:45.590 --> 44:47.590 of mental illness amongst them 44:47.590 --> 44:49.910 and I mean they're constantly fed fear 44:49.910 --> 44:51.970 I mean everything is just 44:51.970 --> 44:53.270 like there's Nazis everywhere 44:53.860 --> 44:55.630 you know it's the end of democracy 44:55.630 --> 44:57.730 the sky is falling and it's 44:57.730 --> 44:58.630 filled full of meatballs 44:59.730 --> 45:00.890 it's like 45:00.890 --> 45:03.630 but this also does 45:03.630 --> 45:04.810 work on the right as well 45:04.810 --> 45:07.050 it happens as well like you mentioned 45:07.050 --> 45:08.650 you know the immigrant 45:09.630 --> 45:10.270 crisis 45:10.810 --> 45:11.650 and like 45:12.810 --> 45:15.170 extreme far leftists in the colleges 45:15.170 --> 45:16.990 and that's not to say that there's 45:16.990 --> 45:19.010 no issues you know I'm not saying 45:19.010 --> 45:20.830 that but like these issues 45:20.830 --> 45:22.230 are like amplified 45:23.170 --> 45:24.990 and they're turned into 45:24.990 --> 45:27.170 something that they quite aren't 45:27.170 --> 45:28.150 actually are 45:29.110 --> 45:31.110 so this in my opinion 45:31.110 --> 45:33.010 is why we see the amplification of 45:33.010 --> 45:34.410 mental illnesses but 45:34.410 --> 45:36.430 the disassociation 45:36.430 --> 45:37.950 for anyone that doesn't know is like 45:37.950 --> 45:39.790 kind of where the mind splits off 45:40.390 --> 45:41.430 protecting itself 45:41.430 --> 45:43.710 protecting the core self your core 45:44.170 --> 45:45.950 being from a traumatic 45:45.950 --> 45:48.310 experience and in fact it's 45:48.310 --> 45:50.530 quite remarkable that the brain even does this 45:50.530 --> 45:52.170 but it's a defense 45:52.170 --> 45:53.950 mechanism and it's actually 45:53.950 --> 45:55.330 a good thing that it happens 45:55.330 --> 45:57.550 although you know a lot of people 45:58.370 --> 46:00.470 you know believe this doesn't even exist 46:00.470 --> 46:02.270 this is actually like 46:02.270 --> 46:04.390 the core of what we now know 46:04.390 --> 46:06.710 is the satanic panic is that disassociation 46:06.710 --> 46:08.330 doesn't actually exist that 46:08.330 --> 46:10.230 you know the brain cannot 46:10.230 --> 46:11.570 repress memories 46:12.490 --> 46:14.330 that's a low to malarkey that 46:14.330 --> 46:16.570 like the brain does repress 46:16.570 --> 46:17.670 traumatic memories 46:18.270 --> 46:19.810 now over time 46:19.810 --> 46:22.090 repeated exposure desensitizes 46:22.090 --> 46:24.490 individuals to violence which reduces 46:24.490 --> 46:26.210 empathy and increases 46:26.210 --> 46:28.470 aggression and compliance 46:28.470 --> 46:30.210 which is one of the big things 46:30.210 --> 46:31.830 so the brain adapts to 46:31.830 --> 46:34.550 down regulating emotional responses 46:34.550 --> 46:34.910 because 46:35.550 --> 46:36.150 like 46:37.470 --> 46:39.330 scientifically we can prove that 46:40.130 --> 46:42.190 it's really bad to make 46:42.190 --> 46:43.830 any sort of decision 46:43.830 --> 46:45.410 when you're highly emotional 46:46.050 --> 46:47.790 and so that's also been 46:47.790 --> 46:49.890 weaponized against us which I think is 46:49.890 --> 46:52.570 one of the big reasons why we see with the younger generations 46:52.570 --> 46:54.150 that there is 46:54.150 --> 46:56.270 a reduced amount of empathy towards people 46:56.270 --> 46:58.270 and instead of you know helping your fellow 46:58.270 --> 47:00.250 man people just whip out their phones 47:00.250 --> 47:02.050 and record it and hope for you know 47:02.050 --> 47:04.450 the most likes now this 47:04.450 --> 47:06.150 has been aggressively 47:06.150 --> 47:07.530 amplified in 47:08.160 --> 47:10.330 you know the time of social media algorithms 47:11.050 --> 47:12.450 so this cycle 47:12.450 --> 47:14.270 amplifies suggestibility 47:14.270 --> 47:16.350 traumatized people may actually 47:16.350 --> 47:18.070 seek safety in authority 47:18.070 --> 47:20.230 figures or groups making them 47:20.230 --> 47:22.390 prone to manipulation such as 47:22.390 --> 47:24.270 accepting propaganda or exhibiting 47:24.270 --> 47:26.350 controlled behaviors like avoidance 47:26.350 --> 47:27.290 of dissent 47:27.290 --> 47:30.190 so it makes it to a 47:30.190 --> 47:32.070 point where dissent 47:32.070 --> 47:33.670 from the authority figures 47:34.350 --> 47:36.330 is actually like a life and death 47:36.330 --> 47:38.550 situation to people and that's why it's 47:38.550 --> 47:39.930 so aggressive against 47:39.930 --> 47:42.310 people like us people that 47:42.310 --> 47:44.270 question the official narrative and it just 47:44.270 --> 47:46.170 gets so brutal 47:46.170 --> 47:47.510 for lack of a better term 47:48.210 --> 47:50.030 why people are you know 47:50.030 --> 47:51.750 so in our face about this 47:52.330 --> 47:54.150 now in the digital context 47:54.150 --> 47:56.010 algorithms are actually 47:56.010 --> 47:57.490 force feeding us content 47:58.130 --> 48:00.150 meant to polarize 48:00.150 --> 48:02.370 the entire nation 48:02.370 --> 48:03.930 basically and 48:03.930 --> 48:06.190 these algorithms can be 48:06.190 --> 48:07.850 made to force feed us 48:07.850 --> 48:10.390 anything at all and that's the dangerous 48:10.390 --> 48:12.150 part about them so I mean 48:12.150 --> 48:14.250 one of the best things that we can do 48:14.250 --> 48:15.670 is limit our time 48:15.670 --> 48:17.950 on social media I mean 48:17.950 --> 48:20.210 I practically live on social media so 48:20.210 --> 48:22.270 I'm not sure how you guys deal with 48:22.270 --> 48:24.110 it but you know being in this space 48:24.110 --> 48:25.910 like we have to be on social media 48:25.910 --> 48:28.210 right like that's how we get this out 48:28.210 --> 48:29.310 there but 48:29.910 --> 48:32.090 you know there there will be 48:32.090 --> 48:33.930 times I'll take two or three days 48:33.930 --> 48:36.430 just away like I just I won't 48:36.430 --> 48:38.190 get on you know I won't look at 48:38.190 --> 48:39.990 my phone besides a text message or a 48:39.990 --> 48:42.130 phone call and that's just something 48:42.130 --> 48:43.910 I've had to do for my own mental health 48:43.910 --> 48:46.230 and you know that's just 48:46.230 --> 48:47.110 something I know 48:47.850 --> 48:49.950 knowing all of these things now if you 48:49.950 --> 48:51.930 don't know these things first like I said 48:51.930 --> 48:53.590 education education education 48:53.590 --> 48:55.510 that's just the number one thing 48:55.510 --> 48:58.110 and two it is 48:58.110 --> 48:59.630 limiting our time on 48:59.630 --> 49:01.070 social media and 49:01.650 --> 49:03.330 in conjunction with that also 49:03.950 --> 49:05.550 coming in and actually 49:05.550 --> 49:07.710 interacting with people 49:07.710 --> 49:09.070 face to face because 49:09.890 --> 49:11.410 the online world 49:11.410 --> 49:13.850 I mean it is real everyone says oh 49:13.850 --> 49:15.890 Twitter's fake or whatever and it's like well 49:15.890 --> 49:17.470 yes that's true 49:17.470 --> 49:19.530 but I mean it does have 49:19.530 --> 49:21.430 real world consequences so it is 49:21.430 --> 49:23.170 real like this 49:23.170 --> 49:25.070 digital space does exist 49:25.070 --> 49:26.230 however 49:26.230 --> 49:29.330 we lean too much on it so I think 49:29.330 --> 49:31.310 you know we've gotten to a point where 49:31.310 --> 49:33.490 people allow the digital 49:33.490 --> 49:35.190 space to control the real space 49:35.190 --> 49:37.070 or the you know IRL 49:37.070 --> 49:38.330 in real life space 49:39.070 --> 49:40.210 so really 49:41.090 --> 49:42.350 disengaging with 49:42.350 --> 49:44.990 the sources of the information 49:44.990 --> 49:46.870 is one of the best things that you can do 49:47.610 --> 49:48.090 now 49:49.650 --> 49:51.190 how much you disengage 49:51.190 --> 49:52.510 that's up to the individual 49:52.510 --> 49:54.170 I had a friend recently 49:54.950 --> 49:57.470 who he just deleted all of his social stuff 49:57.470 --> 49:59.150 like he doesn't interact 49:59.150 --> 50:01.250 with that at all and what's interesting 50:01.250 --> 50:03.170 is all the big news stories 50:03.650 --> 50:04.870 that you know it's like 50:04.870 --> 50:06.390 oh well you're not going to hear about this 50:06.390 --> 50:08.050 no he still hears about them you know 50:08.050 --> 50:10.430 like the information that we 50:10.430 --> 50:12.670 quote unquote need like he still 50:12.670 --> 50:14.290 hears about everything 50:14.290 --> 50:16.190 so it's but 50:16.190 --> 50:18.310 he is and has noticed 50:18.310 --> 50:20.530 like a big difference in not 50:20.530 --> 50:22.750 constantly being on these platforms 50:22.750 --> 50:24.810 so that is definitely 50:24.810 --> 50:26.250 one of the ways to fight back because 50:26.250 --> 50:27.990 the whole point to these 50:28.710 --> 50:29.910 these platforms 50:30.670 --> 50:32.450 they are fighting for attention 50:32.450 --> 50:34.730 so we 50:34.730 --> 50:36.270 are the products like we 50:36.270 --> 50:38.450 our data gets sold our data gets 50:38.450 --> 50:40.350 farmed from us and gets 50:40.350 --> 50:41.790 sold to data brokers 50:42.330 --> 50:44.070 and scammers like 50:44.070 --> 50:45.830 it just gets sold to everywhere it gets 50:46.310 --> 50:48.390 willingly given or sold to governments 50:49.090 --> 50:49.730 so 50:50.250 --> 50:52.150 the less that we can do 50:52.150 --> 50:54.150 on any platform 50:54.150 --> 50:56.210 that wants us on there the better 50:56.210 --> 50:57.870 like that's just how it is 50:57.870 --> 51:00.270 and then anything that you 51:00.270 --> 51:02.310 have to be on online 51:02.310 --> 51:04.250 for say like you know try living 51:04.250 --> 51:06.210 a life without email it can be 51:06.210 --> 51:08.250 done but for the vast majority 51:08.250 --> 51:10.290 of people it's going to be very difficult so 51:10.290 --> 51:12.070 the best thing you can do is 51:12.570 --> 51:14.130 look for companies that 51:14.130 --> 51:16.110 actually care about privacy 51:16.830 --> 51:18.390 you know I know 51:18.390 --> 51:20.070 there's some people that will 51:20.070 --> 51:22.310 kind of have issues with it but I'm 51:22.310 --> 51:24.030 a big fan of proton for the 51:24.030 --> 51:26.250 average person I mean the best thing 51:26.250 --> 51:28.110 you can do is really just like run your own 51:28.110 --> 51:29.950 server and run your own email service 51:29.950 --> 51:32.050 but that's unrealistic for most people 51:32.050 --> 51:34.190 and there's nothing wrong with that but 51:34.190 --> 51:35.610 you know for the tech people 51:35.610 --> 51:37.830 yeah start your own server run your own 51:37.830 --> 51:39.850 email it's pretty easy 51:39.850 --> 51:41.430 if you're a tech person 51:41.430 --> 51:43.310 but for the average person 51:43.310 --> 51:45.790 look for companies that 51:45.790 --> 51:47.430 actually care about 51:47.430 --> 51:49.510 your your data because 51:49.510 --> 51:51.370 most most companies have 51:51.370 --> 51:53.770 zero incentive for 51:53.770 --> 51:55.110 keeping your data safe 51:55.110 --> 51:57.210 or private to begin with 51:57.210 --> 51:59.510 so I mean though those are a couple of 51:59.510 --> 52:01.450 things that we can do is just limit 52:01.450 --> 52:02.790 our interaction with 52:02.790 --> 52:04.810 these sources so 52:04.810 --> 52:07.050 when I say it's everywhere every news 52:07.050 --> 52:08.190 every news channel 52:08.650 --> 52:10.630 doesn't matter what side it's on even the 52:10.630 --> 52:12.650 alternative media in many aspects 52:12.650 --> 52:14.810 is getting really bad 52:14.810 --> 52:15.570 so 52:15.570 --> 52:18.610 use your mind think about 52:18.610 --> 52:20.410 these things think about what you're hearing 52:20.410 --> 52:22.870 and don't just accept 52:22.870 --> 52:25.250 it I think is like the biggest thing so 52:25.250 --> 52:26.210 education 52:26.790 --> 52:28.630 limiting your interaction and 52:28.630 --> 52:30.750 using your mind because even 52:30.750 --> 52:32.430 if you went through 12 years of 52:32.430 --> 52:33.470 indoctrination camp 52:33.470 --> 52:36.570 it doesn't kill our mind 52:36.570 --> 52:38.050 enough to where we can't use it 52:38.050 --> 52:40.310 although there might be an argument there 52:40.310 --> 52:40.650 but 52:42.770 --> 52:44.710 most people can still think 52:44.710 --> 52:46.710 even halfway and you don't 52:46.710 --> 52:48.870 have to be super intelligent to question 52:48.870 --> 52:49.790 these things so 52:49.790 --> 52:52.250 just limiting your exposure but 52:52.250 --> 52:54.830 and this is why I started my show 52:54.830 --> 52:56.330 it shows like this 52:56.330 --> 52:58.410 shows like mine the smaller 52:58.410 --> 52:58.830 shows 52:58.830 --> 53:02.130 are way more important 53:02.130 --> 53:04.670 because you have a way higher chance 53:04.670 --> 53:05.770 of being told the truth 53:06.550 --> 53:07.170 and 53:07.170 --> 53:09.890 I think that that's 53:10.410 --> 53:12.030 it's worth its weight in gold 53:12.030 --> 53:14.390 I mean I've stopped listening 53:14.390 --> 53:16.470 to quote-unquote alternative media 53:16.470 --> 53:18.390 because I mean they're 53:18.390 --> 53:20.350 just like the mainstream media in my opinion 53:20.350 --> 53:22.530 all the shows I watch and listen to 53:22.530 --> 53:24.170 are smaller shows 53:24.170 --> 53:25.990 you know they rarely have 53:26.490 --> 53:28.270 sponsors or whatever they're typically 53:28.270 --> 53:29.550 tied to 53:30.910 --> 53:32.250 viewer or listener 53:33.030 --> 53:33.990 funded shows 53:33.990 --> 53:35.350 such as this like 53:35.950 --> 53:37.870 this is important listening to this show 53:37.870 --> 53:39.830 all the other interviews you guys have done 53:39.830 --> 53:40.870 because I'm also a fan 53:41.350 --> 53:44.070 as a content creator it's hard for me to listen to other 53:44.070 --> 53:44.750 shows but 53:45.450 --> 53:47.570 this is one of the shows that I do listen to 53:47.570 --> 53:49.910 and it is important 53:49.910 --> 53:51.870 to take in a certain 53:51.870 --> 53:52.710 amount of information 53:53.290 --> 53:53.850 and 53:54.410 --> 53:56.050 you are responsible 53:56.050 --> 53:58.750 for the content that you consume 53:58.750 --> 54:00.770 so you just have to make sure that 54:00.770 --> 54:02.610 the content that you're consuming is coming 54:02.610 --> 54:04.650 from a place where people 54:04.650 --> 54:06.490 actually you know give a shit 54:06.490 --> 54:06.950 about 54:08.010 --> 54:10.150 what you're putting out there and 54:10.150 --> 54:12.890 I think both of you guys are definitely a platform 54:12.890 --> 54:14.610 that actually care what you're putting 54:14.610 --> 54:15.810 out to people so 54:15.810 --> 54:18.710 I mean that's kind of what the individual 54:18.710 --> 54:20.610 can do to protect ourselves 54:20.610 --> 54:22.090 this is just education 54:22.450 --> 54:22.750 education 54:23.550 --> 54:27.030 living in our time on these platforms 54:27.030 --> 54:28.490 these platforms are 54:28.490 --> 54:30.270 military grade weapons 54:30.270 --> 54:31.630 that's what they are 54:32.250 --> 54:34.290 and then also just 54:34.290 --> 54:35.730 be careful with what 54:36.490 --> 54:38.770 what content you're putting into your brain 54:38.770 --> 54:40.610 you know a lot of people are 54:40.610 --> 54:42.690 concerned about the food 54:42.690 --> 54:44.610 and the water and the air that we put 54:44.610 --> 54:46.650 into our bodies well we need to also focus 54:46.650 --> 54:48.630 on our minds and the content 54:48.630 --> 54:50.310 that we put into our mind is 54:50.310 --> 54:52.590 just as important as staying away 54:52.590 --> 54:54.530 from the chemical laden food that we put 54:54.530 --> 54:56.530 into our bodies you are 54:56.530 --> 54:58.550 what you consume yes sir 54:58.550 --> 55:00.570 yeah and you consume a bunch 55:00.570 --> 55:01.610 of bullshit that's what you 55:01.610 --> 55:04.570 live in a society 55:04.570 --> 55:05.450 of fucking bullshit 55:07.290 --> 55:08.410 totally totally 55:08.410 --> 55:10.670 and it's it's difficult 55:10.670 --> 55:12.490 it really is difficult but the 55:12.490 --> 55:13.950 day and age that we live in 55:14.630 --> 55:16.630 unfortunately it is just something that we have 55:16.630 --> 55:18.290 to deal with and even though it's 55:18.290 --> 55:20.150 difficult it doesn't mean it's impossible 55:20.630 --> 55:22.710 but we do have to be 55:22.710 --> 55:23.950 on you know 55:24.510 --> 55:26.490 constant vigilance to make sure that we 55:26.490 --> 55:27.930 are consuming the correct things 55:28.670 --> 55:30.390 yeah 100% just 55:30.390 --> 55:32.170 like this show like you said earlier 55:32.170 --> 55:34.370 man it's it makes so much sense 55:34.370 --> 55:36.270 when you look at it like that it's I just wish 55:36.270 --> 55:37.450 more people saw it you know 55:37.450 --> 55:39.950 man Jacob so we're running up against the end 55:39.950 --> 55:42.250 of the podcast here man but I want 55:42.250 --> 55:43.310 to commend you man like 55:43.310 --> 55:45.530 you're a very knowledgeable guy 55:45.530 --> 55:47.190 your comparison earlier 55:47.190 --> 55:48.710 where you 55:48.710 --> 55:51.230 you talked about showing the traumatic videos 55:51.230 --> 55:53.270 to people on drugs with the Charlie Kirk video 55:53.270 --> 55:55.290 being shown to like the heavy 55:55.290 --> 55:57.090 medicated American population 55:57.090 --> 55:59.370 it's brilliant dude it gave me kind of chills 55:59.370 --> 56:01.270 and I was just like oh my jaw dropped 56:01.270 --> 56:03.190 to the floor I mean it's 56:03.190 --> 56:04.770 it's a perfect example of this 56:05.310 --> 56:07.190 sophisticated mind control we've you know 56:07.190 --> 56:09.510 we've been discussing this whole for the last hour 56:09.510 --> 56:11.110 it's not just about propaganda 56:11.110 --> 56:12.930 but like understanding the 56:12.930 --> 56:14.910 the vulnerable psychological 56:14.910 --> 56:17.110 state of the target audience and you 56:17.110 --> 56:19.030 dissected that very well my friend 56:19.030 --> 56:21.750 thank you I really enjoyed this last hour 56:22.330 --> 56:23.210 man at the 56:23.210 --> 56:25.010 at the top of the show you kind of laid out 56:25.010 --> 56:26.970 this crucial line of defense against the 56:26.970 --> 56:29.110 psychological warfare and you kind of reiterated it 56:29.110 --> 56:31.010 just now you know about educating yourself 56:31.010 --> 56:33.130 and but like the systems 56:33.130 --> 56:35.150 attack isn't just informational 56:35.150 --> 56:36.950 right it's like it's deeply emotional 56:36.950 --> 56:39.270 as you stated and they weaponize 56:39.270 --> 56:40.810 fear as we talked we even talked about 56:40.810 --> 56:42.810 Kerry's thing and and you were all you already 56:42.810 --> 56:44.730 knew about all that it's basic dude I love it 56:45.070 --> 56:46.950 you know we were every the average 56:46.950 --> 56:48.930 Americans kept in a constant state of stress 56:48.930 --> 56:50.770 you know making them clean to authority 56:50.770 --> 56:52.590 and our political tribes for this 56:53.230 --> 56:55.050 bullshit sense of safety which is 56:55.050 --> 56:56.930 no more nothing more than just giving 56:56.930 --> 56:58.890 up your freedoms and we see it happen 56:58.890 --> 57:00.710 over and over it it creates this 57:00.710 --> 57:02.630 world where people see dissent like 57:02.630 --> 57:04.270 you said not as a disagreement 57:04.850 --> 57:06.790 but like as a life and death 57:06.790 --> 57:08.770 threat to their very identity man that was 57:08.770 --> 57:10.430 another profound thing you said it's 57:10.430 --> 57:12.230 fucking it's so true 57:12.790 --> 57:14.530 you know it's it seems that just 57:14.530 --> 57:16.550 consuming different information is 57:16.550 --> 57:18.830 it is a big step in it 57:18.830 --> 57:20.690 but it might just not be enough you know 57:20.690 --> 57:22.670 to break through this trauma-based 57:22.670 --> 57:24.870 programming so as 57:24.870 --> 57:26.750 you probably know if you listen to the show a lot 57:26.750 --> 57:28.630 you know we always end in a white pill and 57:29.170 --> 57:30.770 so like for our white 57:30.770 --> 57:32.850 pill man is the ultimate antidote 57:32.850 --> 57:34.990 to this top-down mind control 57:34.990 --> 57:36.990 not just the individual 57:36.990 --> 57:39.190 act of learning but like maybe a collective 57:39.190 --> 57:40.470 act of building like 57:40.970 --> 57:42.850 how powerful of a tool is it 57:42.850 --> 57:44.850 is creating like real-world 57:44.850 --> 57:47.050 parallel networks right things like 57:47.050 --> 57:48.590 mutual aid groups and 57:48.590 --> 57:51.010 you know co-ops, agorism, home 57:51.010 --> 57:53.230 schooling pods how important is that 57:53.230 --> 57:55.370 in making people psychologically resilient 57:55.370 --> 57:56.850 and ungovernable right 57:56.850 --> 57:59.230 does the path to breaking their control 57:59.230 --> 58:00.790 run through rebuilding our own 58:00.790 --> 58:01.930 communities from the ground up 58:02.950 --> 58:03.850 100% 58:03.850 --> 58:06.010 that is actually 58:06.010 --> 58:07.570 like why I am where I am 58:07.570 --> 58:09.850 currently like with my show my projects 58:09.850 --> 58:10.830 so 58:11.610 --> 58:14.010 like I said in the beginning I was 58:14.010 --> 58:15.810 a candidate several times 58:15.810 --> 58:17.750 and I had no illusions 58:17.750 --> 58:20.190 I didn't think that you know this was 58:20.190 --> 58:22.010 going to be some like magic 58:22.010 --> 58:24.110 thing like if I somehow happen to win 58:24.110 --> 58:25.970 like I'm going to change the 58:25.970 --> 58:27.330 world or you know change 58:27.730 --> 58:29.490 you know things here in the state of Utah 58:29.490 --> 58:31.330 to be able to you know function 58:31.330 --> 58:33.530 better or whatever like I was under 58:33.530 --> 58:35.630 no delusion but there was still 58:35.630 --> 58:37.550 a point where we could get an 58:37.550 --> 58:39.490 oppositional voice you know 58:39.490 --> 58:41.470 in a position to be able to 58:41.470 --> 58:42.770 say some of these things 58:43.430 --> 58:45.290 but I am now to the point 58:45.290 --> 58:47.430 and the reason I have 58:47.430 --> 58:48.770 a problem with politics is 58:49.310 --> 58:51.170 not not even politics itself 58:51.170 --> 58:53.450 but I have an issue 58:53.450 --> 58:55.230 with asking permission to do this 58:55.230 --> 58:57.130 and that's what I feel politics are 58:57.130 --> 58:59.590 is that we are waiting every 58:59.590 --> 59:01.170 two years every four years every 59:01.170 --> 59:03.150 eight years whatever to ask permission 59:03.150 --> 59:04.350 to be able to do this 59:04.990 --> 59:07.290 and honestly the best thing that we can do 59:07.290 --> 59:09.470 to fight back against all of this 59:09.470 --> 59:10.150 is that 59:10.810 --> 59:12.330 we just do it 59:13.210 --> 59:14.650 like we just 59:14.650 --> 59:17.050 we start living off grid 59:17.050 --> 59:18.830 or we start you know 59:18.830 --> 59:20.750 building algorithm we start 59:20.750 --> 59:23.010 just doing it that's the thing 59:23.010 --> 59:24.850 we just do it and 59:24.850 --> 59:26.790 you know I'm not about to ask permission 59:26.790 --> 59:28.670 if I can you know come on your guys 59:28.670 --> 59:30.770 show if it's cool for me to 59:30.770 --> 59:32.810 you know if it's if it's okay 59:32.810 --> 59:34.850 with the crown that I say these 59:34.850 --> 59:36.810 things you know like I'm not about 59:36.810 --> 59:39.050 to do that I just do it and 59:39.870 --> 59:40.990 that I think that's 59:40.990 --> 59:42.350 the most important thing now 59:42.350 --> 59:44.850 honestly here's my white pill to all of this 59:44.850 --> 59:46.510 the fact that this 59:46.510 --> 59:48.930 trauma based mind control is even taking 59:48.930 --> 59:50.850 place is the fact that it's 59:50.850 --> 59:52.970 necessary and the reason 59:52.970 --> 59:54.950 why that's a white pill to me is because 59:54.950 --> 59:56.750 if things were 59:56.750 --> 59:59.190 hopeless then their propaganda 59:59.190 --> 01:00:01.030 would be pointless and there would be no reason 01:00:01.030 --> 01:00:02.830 for it and so 01:00:02.830 --> 01:00:04.870 yes and and I'll even 01:00:04.870 --> 01:00:06.950 point to the other side of this the black 01:00:06.950 --> 01:00:08.610 pill itself is 01:00:08.610 --> 01:00:10.510 in of itself a sigh 01:00:10.510 --> 01:00:12.910 because they want us to be hopeless 01:00:12.910 --> 01:00:14.970 but nothing is ever 01:00:14.970 --> 01:00:17.110 hopeless and and so 01:00:17.110 --> 01:00:18.810 definitely stay away from the black pill 01:00:18.810 --> 01:00:20.930 period like it anyone 01:00:20.930 --> 01:00:22.550 pushing black pills you know 01:00:22.550 --> 01:00:24.930 question why they're doing it and shut that 01:00:24.930 --> 01:00:26.210 down immediately because 01:00:26.850 --> 01:00:28.830 that's not gonna help but that what that 01:00:28.830 --> 01:00:30.970 does allow is you know 01:00:30.970 --> 01:00:33.030 for any sort of meaningful 01:00:33.030 --> 01:00:34.010 resistance 01:00:34.740 --> 01:00:36.610 to end before it even begins 01:00:37.170 --> 01:00:38.970 and I just cannot accept 01:00:38.970 --> 01:00:40.630 that and you know 01:00:40.630 --> 01:00:42.750 if things are hopeless we might as well 01:00:42.750 --> 01:00:44.970 just stop doing this show lay down and die 01:00:44.970 --> 01:00:46.850 you know like and I'm not 01:00:46.850 --> 01:00:49.030 willing to accept that so I mean 01:00:49.030 --> 01:00:50.790 that's that's my white pill is that 01:00:50.790 --> 01:00:52.970 the fact that they're even doing this and the fact that 01:00:52.970 --> 01:00:54.950 it's getting harder and harder and they're 01:00:54.950 --> 01:00:56.150 pushing it harder and harder 01:00:56.730 --> 01:00:58.110 shows to me 01:00:58.110 --> 01:01:01.030 that it's not working as well as it once did 01:01:01.030 --> 01:01:02.970 and so now people are 01:01:02.970 --> 01:01:04.830 becoming aware of it they're making 01:01:04.830 --> 01:01:06.970 better choices in their life and so they need to 01:01:06.970 --> 01:01:08.470 push this harder and harder and 01:01:09.030 --> 01:01:10.930 unfortunately for them it's kind of all they 01:01:10.930 --> 01:01:12.570 got and so 01:01:12.570 --> 01:01:14.870 you know by doing interviews like this 01:01:14.870 --> 01:01:16.910 by listening to shows like this like mine 01:01:16.910 --> 01:01:18.810 like whoever else you guys listen to 01:01:18.810 --> 01:01:20.250 you know this 01:01:20.850 --> 01:01:22.890 this is what's helping now 01:01:22.890 --> 01:01:24.710 I stopped being 01:01:24.710 --> 01:01:27.050 directly involved in politics just because 01:01:27.750 --> 01:01:29.050 like I said I don't want to 01:01:29.050 --> 01:01:31.070 ask permission anymore I'm just gonna do it 01:01:31.630 --> 01:01:32.170 and 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:34.870 one of my like the whole 01:01:34.870 --> 01:01:37.010 point to my show and everything that I do 01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:38.890 is literally just to 01:01:38.890 --> 01:01:40.870 show the man behind the curtain 01:01:40.870 --> 01:01:42.470 you know I want to show 01:01:42.470 --> 01:01:44.770 you know I want to point out 01:01:44.770 --> 01:01:46.570 that the emperor is naked 01:01:46.570 --> 01:01:47.450 you know 01:01:47.450 --> 01:01:50.790 and this all goes back 01:01:50.790 --> 01:01:52.670 to all of this being 01:01:52.670 --> 01:01:54.170 our responsibility like 01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:56.710 okay well things are so bad right now 01:01:57.330 --> 01:01:58.810 like the best way 01:01:58.810 --> 01:02:00.450 that we can check and balance this 01:02:00.450 --> 01:02:02.850 is let's not participate 01:02:02.850 --> 01:02:04.790 let's just not 01:02:04.790 --> 01:02:06.590 participate in their system because if we 01:02:06.590 --> 01:02:08.670 participate in their system we're gonna 01:02:08.670 --> 01:02:09.830 lose every single time 01:02:10.590 --> 01:02:12.610 so the best thing to do is build our own 01:02:12.610 --> 01:02:13.790 system outside of that 01:02:14.450 --> 01:02:15.690 and I mean 01:02:15.690 --> 01:02:18.670 the government needs us we don't need the government 01:02:18.670 --> 01:02:20.210 or the state you know 01:02:20.210 --> 01:02:22.550 so if we start 01:02:22.550 --> 01:02:24.570 doing things ourselves it kind of takes care 01:02:24.570 --> 01:02:26.170 of the problem and then 01:02:27.010 --> 01:02:28.650 we're the ones holding the 01:02:28.650 --> 01:02:30.530 power which is what we need to do we need to 01:02:30.530 --> 01:02:32.110 take our power back right because 01:02:32.110 --> 01:02:34.490 it is ours we're 01:02:34.490 --> 01:02:36.350 the ones that have it even still 01:02:36.350 --> 01:02:38.410 which is the whole point of having this 01:02:38.410 --> 01:02:40.450 mind control and the brainwashing and everything 01:02:40.450 --> 01:02:42.410 is they're trying to take the power so we 01:02:42.410 --> 01:02:44.430 give it to them but they can't 01:02:44.430 --> 01:02:45.990 do any of this without our permission 01:02:45.990 --> 01:02:48.430 period so just stop giving 01:02:48.430 --> 01:02:50.570 them permission so yeah to answer your question 01:02:50.570 --> 01:02:52.190 to do the algorithm 01:02:52.190 --> 01:02:54.530 to build the parallel economies to 01:02:54.530 --> 01:02:55.430 I mean 01:02:55.430 --> 01:02:58.650 build liberty enclave so we have 01:02:58.650 --> 01:03:00.470 little pockets of liberty all over the 01:03:00.470 --> 01:03:02.590 place because we're gonna need it and then we're gonna need 01:03:02.590 --> 01:03:04.490 trade routes and all sorts of 01:03:04.490 --> 01:03:06.450 things we can build our world back 01:03:06.450 --> 01:03:08.590 the way that we want it and we just 01:03:08.590 --> 01:03:10.950 gotta do it because we don't need their permission 01:03:10.950 --> 01:03:12.570 and besides we're Americans 01:03:12.570 --> 01:03:14.030 like where 01:03:14.570 --> 01:03:16.490 where's the fight in everybody to do this 01:03:16.490 --> 01:03:18.790 like we don't need permission let's just 01:03:18.790 --> 01:03:20.650 do it and so that that's kind of 01:03:20.650 --> 01:03:22.590 where I am I mean that the whole point I 01:03:22.590 --> 01:03:23.270 want to expose 01:03:24.070 --> 01:03:26.730 these black pills I want to expose the mind control 01:03:26.730 --> 01:03:28.610 to hopefully break people out 01:03:28.610 --> 01:03:30.670 of it and you know it seems to be working 01:03:31.270 --> 01:03:32.830 fucking right man well said 01:03:32.830 --> 01:03:34.310 Jason and I were discussing 01:03:34.310 --> 01:03:36.470 revamping our TFTP store 01:03:36.970 --> 01:03:38.450 and what we need to come up 01:03:38.450 --> 01:03:40.450 with some more t-shirt ideas and guess what 01:03:40.450 --> 01:03:42.410 one of those t-shirt ideas is gonna be man 01:03:42.410 --> 01:03:44.530 stop asking for permission 01:03:44.530 --> 01:03:46.670 nice you just named that 01:03:46.670 --> 01:03:48.690 home dude like that was very well said 01:03:48.690 --> 01:03:50.070 I really appreciate it man 01:03:50.610 --> 01:03:52.730 hey free thinkers this is Matt Agarist 01:03:52.730 --> 01:03:54.410 and I'm gonna take a quick pause to remind 01:03:54.410 --> 01:03:56.430 you of something really important first 01:03:56.430 --> 01:03:57.990 off apologies for the interruption 01:03:57.990 --> 01:04:00.330 but if you're still here that means you're 01:04:00.330 --> 01:04:02.390 resonating with what we're doing and we 01:04:02.390 --> 01:04:03.750 need your help to keep it alive 01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:06.130 independent platforms like ours don't 01:04:06.130 --> 01:04:07.670 survive on corporate sponsorships 01:04:07.670 --> 01:04:09.270 or mainstream media funding 01:04:09.270 --> 01:04:11.110 we survive because of you 01:04:11.750 --> 01:04:13.770 if you're finding value in these unfiltered 01:04:13.770 --> 01:04:15.330 conversations and real solutions 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01:05:16.990 relaunch everything the 01:05:16.990 --> 01:05:19.490 home base for all my stuff is going to be 01:05:19.490 --> 01:05:20.330 my sub-stack 01:05:20.930 --> 01:05:23.150 a lot of the information that I talked about 01:05:23.150 --> 01:05:25.230 today is actually going to be in a piece 01:05:25.930 --> 01:05:27.490 probably out later today 01:05:27.490 --> 01:05:29.770 or tomorrow with today's 01:05:29.770 --> 01:05:31.690 the 9th October 9th so 01:05:31.690 --> 01:05:33.590 by the time you're listening to this it will 01:05:33.590 --> 01:05:35.050 probably be out but you can 01:05:35.050 --> 01:05:37.370 find my sub-stack it's beware the 01:05:37.370 --> 01:05:38.050 mockingbird 01:05:39.190 --> 01:05:41.370 and that's you know linked on all 01:05:41.370 --> 01:05:43.290 of my social stuff but pretty much anywhere 01:05:43.290 --> 01:05:45.310 rise to liberty I've tried 01:05:45.310 --> 01:05:47.410 to lock down every platform 01:05:47.410 --> 01:05:49.330 I can the three main 01:05:49.330 --> 01:05:51.390 places you can find me as 01:05:51.390 --> 01:05:53.450 ex or twitter telegram 01:05:53.450 --> 01:05:55.490 and instagram those are the three most active 01:05:55.490 --> 01:05:56.970 places I I am 01:05:57.490 --> 01:05:59.590 but yeah my sub-stack 01:05:59.590 --> 01:06:00.910 is a big thing and 01:06:01.350 --> 01:06:03.170 the information I'll be releasing is 01:06:03.170 --> 01:06:04.630 actually why 01:06:05.410 --> 01:06:07.590 this whole Charlie Kirk assassination thing 01:06:07.590 --> 01:06:09.330 is a Psyop 01:06:09.330 --> 01:06:11.450 I'm going to point point out all the different 01:06:11.450 --> 01:06:13.330 things I'm going to go through you know 01:06:13.330 --> 01:06:15.350 all the different tactics they've used 01:06:15.350 --> 01:06:17.210 I'm going to point out historical 01:06:17.210 --> 01:06:19.630 connections you know ways to protect 01:06:19.630 --> 01:06:21.350 yourselves all 01:06:21.350 --> 01:06:23.510 all sorts of different things so it's going to be good 01:06:23.510 --> 01:06:25.570 that's where you can find me and then also 01:06:25.570 --> 01:06:27.510 just a quick shout out I'm 01:06:27.510 --> 01:06:29.670 I'm also a producer for 01:06:30.410 --> 01:06:31.550 in my opinion 01:06:31.550 --> 01:06:33.510 one of the best call-in shows 01:06:33.510 --> 01:06:35.450 on conspiracy call-in shows 01:06:35.450 --> 01:06:37.270 on the net called already dead 01:06:37.270 --> 01:06:39.290 which is hosted by 01:06:39.290 --> 01:06:41.570 Jose Galesan and Austin 01:06:41.570 --> 01:06:43.610 Picard of the no way 01:06:43.610 --> 01:06:45.470 Jose podcast and the 01:06:45.470 --> 01:06:47.690 underclass podcast so I'm over there 01:06:47.690 --> 01:06:49.470 pushing the ones and twos every 01:06:49.470 --> 01:06:51.530 Tuesday and other than that 01:06:51.530 --> 01:06:53.290 yeah just anywhere rise to liberty 01:06:53.290 --> 01:06:55.590 or beware the mockingbird is where you can find 01:06:55.590 --> 01:06:57.550 me hell yeah man we'll put 01:06:57.550 --> 01:06:59.410 a bunch of those links down below the in the podcast 01:06:59.410 --> 01:07:01.610 description wherever you guys are listening to it out there 01:07:02.490 --> 01:07:03.370 uh Jacob 01:07:03.370 --> 01:07:05.070 thank you man we're really 01:07:05.070 --> 01:07:07.570 coming on these are some great solutions we talked about 01:07:07.570 --> 01:07:08.970 today thank you Jacob 01:07:10.010 --> 01:07:11.790 anytime thank you for having me 01:07:16.910 --> 01:07:19.190 thank you for listening to the free 01:07:19.190 --> 01:07:20.750 talk project podcast 01:07:20.750 --> 01:07:23.150 and please don't forget to rate 01:07:23.150 --> 01:07:24.690 review and subscribe 01:07:26.750 --> 01:07:28.230 free minds 01:07:29.120 --> 01:07:30.110 free people