It's time for declare your independence with Ernest Hancock believe me when I say we have a
Difficult time ahead of us, but if we are to be prepared for it. We must first shed our fear of it
I stand here without fear because I remember
I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me, but because of the path that lies behind me
I remember that for 100 years we have fought these machines and
After a century of war, I remember that which matters most
We are still here
Let's make them remember
Very nice very nice now. It's unseasonably hot, but you know, it's very nice
What we're going to do this morning is we're going to talk to Charles Goyette an old and very good friend and
this is
How I got this at least stay in radio. Donna's like now get a job get a real job
But well Charles Goyette, you know needs a producer to do it. Okay. That's okay
You do that, you know, she was his favorite talk show host
I mean, you know, I'm way down on the list, but you know, Charles Goyette has had such a great reputation
His entire career here in Arizona very well known very well respected
Very well informed with a garage full of books
He I mean he actually read all the books of the people that came on and
Grilled a crap out of them. It was awesome
The problem was he was at they wore
you have the
Baby bushes Iraq war coming up and Charles just did not play because he knew that it was
This echo chamber thing that he called it that was building up the wars in
The media in the minds of the people and it was lies like because he knew it was all lies
La la la the first casualty of war is the truth. I tell you that right now now his new book
Empire of lies follows, you know a bunch of other New York Times best-selling, you know books now
Charles Goyette is also known for his
Advocacies for gold and his economics his first book that went New York Times best-selling the dollar meltdown
Translated into freaking Chinese that they they wanted it
Yeah, we know what's happening. Watch this now also after Ron Paul's
Run for the presidency and no 8 and 12
Ron Paul's America was
heard twice daily on
125 radio stations with Charles was co-host along with Ron Paul and it was weekly podcast and
You know it's kind of like Daniel McAdams, you know
He's up there with dr. Paul all the time and Charles had a really good run with dr. Paul
And he was the first one on
National media to mention Ron Paul running for office
There's a story behind that, but it was he he mentioned him
Here we go
That was Charles now the thing that we there's a lot of stuff he and I overlap on but I tell you the main thing
that I want to discuss is that
He was a voice of reason
with
Unreasonable people and it's you know the Empire of lies his latest book fragments from the memory hole and
Truth is treason in an empire of lies, which is Ron Paul made that quote famous and
so this is I want to talk about him writing this particular book how it came about and
you know
Where it got published? How did it get published and what it says about where we are now?
And where do you get the truth about this freakin war?
Charles Goyette fill in the blanks for me. What what does it people need to know about you, man?
Ernest, I think you've said about everything that possibly could be said hello
It's good to talk to you again in a sleut of course to Donna who obviously displays good judgment in all things
Anyway, yeah
Great to be great to be on your show. I don't really know where to start with all of that stuff
Somebody asked me the other day where where did I derive my opposition to the war in Iraq in the first place?
Well, it actually goes back I suppose to a general distrust of government and a discovery of the serial lies
that it tells and
Empire of lies is a it's more than just a chronicle
But it's certainly chronicles a whole series of lies that the deep state used to
To stampede the American public into one war after another and
and I
Think it's a valuable lesson
Everybody that reads it should be prepared should should be prepared for this Iran debacle and for the next one that follows it
Before that the a great Ukraine war lies and before that
Syrian before that Libya and before that
Iraq and before that Afghanistan one right after the other
Next war
Yeah, well look the next war is already on the front burner the former president enough tolly Bennett former president of Israel said
You know next we've got to take out Turkey
But of course, yeah, and I you know, I suppose I hope they mentioned that to
Erdogan there because Turkey is a NATO ally that'll be the end of that'll be the end of NATO for sure
Which is to me a good thing it should have ended when the Soviet Union collapsed and they've done nothing
But you know endangered the American people ever since then. I mean how how
Replacing Gaddafi in Libya was a matter for the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization is totally beyond me
So but that'll be the end of NATO that'll be accompanied by a lot of other chaos, but bear in mind
That even after something like Turkey Turkey is only important to them because it's a it's a way station to their long time
Objective their long time. Of course
Iran has long been an objective of
The neocons and the deep state but even bigger than that and the name they hardly ever dare whisper
But you know that this is the objective and that's Russia and why they think the American people want to take out Russia much less
Turkey or anything else is beyond me, but this is you know, they're the ones in charge
They run the government they run the they are the deep state
They are the establishment in America
And so I've tried to prepare the American people with this book for what is to come and how to how to see it
And it's going to be that way by the way
I'm not promising any changes if you read this book doesn't mean the country's going to change or you know
We'll get on the right track that is not my contention is all at all
My contention is until the American people start to revalue the truth as
Important to them then this is our trajectory and there is no detour as long as we're on an untruthful trajectory
this trajectory
Using lies, you know the title is really good Empire of lies
Is it?
Through lies that they become an empire or they become an empire so they have to lie
I mean, you know, that's a good question. I'll tell you I tell you this no matter which way you deconstruct it
Lying is
Is congenital to an Empire an Empire cannot survive without lying and as Mark Twain said to carry the thought further about the nature of
The Empire's you cannot have a Republic of free people a free Republic and an Empire at the same time
So why an Empire go go hand in hand and they always have it's nothing new with America
But boy, we've exploited it to a huge degree
And so actually earning a chronicle a lot of the major major lies
that have been foisted on this by the deep state and
I do it not because anything can be recovered or restored from that
But because this is a part of you know of people of people
Learning how they are misled and how they are lied to the subtitle of the book is fragments from the memory hole
and everybody who went to high school in America should have read 1984 and
The memory hole comes out. You're not allowed anymore. No
So the memory hole comes out of 1984 and you'll remember the ministry of love
I mean, it's a typical dystopia the ministry of love is where the state took you to torture you
Of course the ministry of love and the ministry of truth is where the state rewrote the history, you know like
Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, you know, whenever they need to rewrite history
they go to the the
Memory hole the lead character of the book guy by the name of Winston. That's his job
He rewrites the history takes the old history out of the record and dumps it down an
Incinerator which they call the memory hole so that you know that the past is unknown to the people
Well, I want to recover some of the past lies
Some of the big ones that are in the most dangerous slipping down the memory hole
so that people will be able to see the pattern the
Methodology the mode that the deep state uses line pattern what exposed you I mean being a talk show host for a long time
You're early on you even owned a radio station and flagstaff didn't you? Yeah, sure, you know
So you've been in radio business for a long time heck you did
Yeah, you had your own show when you were in the army or something
Wasn't it why I was a anchor on armed forces radio and television when I was in the the military and
You know, it was a wonderful assignment if you got to be in the military
That was a wonderful place to be because when there was trouble, you know, they put how it serves around the
you know around the
The network headquarters and stuff to make sure nothing ever happened to any of us
So that was that was a good thing. There were there were curious. I like to tell this one just
Just because it's the nature of the military, you know
During I was there during the Vietnam War. That's the generation. I am I'm a boomer quit dissing boomers
We're not all like that, but I'm a boomer and I was in during the Vietnam War
It was very peculiar anchoring the news on the network on the armed forces network
We were not allowed. We were absolutely
Forbidden from showing any film or really describing anything going on in Vietnam
I think about this Vietnam is raging. It's the number one story in the world and
When when we had a hole in the newscast because we weren't covering Vietnam
The network would send this footage
From the Irish Republican Army's disturbances in Belfast to fill in the gaps
So
You know, I I understand the military in one sense. They you know, I have a lot of people watching that network and
Watching my stations and you know, nobody wants to see their close friends their children their associates and stuff
you know being
Ground into hamburger in Vietnam
So they didn't want to show that film on on the TV in the network
But they replaced it with the Irish Republican Army, which very few people in America and especially the armed forces cared about at the time
so I
Don't suppose that's what started me on the on the road to you know, concern about military posture my
I think my biggest turning point was the
Prevailing the prevailing military doctrine of the United States called mutual assured destruction
And I looked at that as a symbol of just the insanity of our leadership
The idea of mutual assured destruction was that we would have no defense for the people of the United States
none the only way we pretend and the only substitute for defending you the people of the United States from
Nuclear loaded ICBMs crossing the Atlantic in the Pacific
The only defense we would have is the certainty that the Soviet leadership would have that if they blasted us to smithereens
We in turn would blast them. So it was like a standoff, you know, they won't fire first
They won't launch a first strike because they know we'll take them out. They thought in turn
we wouldn't launch a first strike because
because
We know in turn that they would respond and take us out
And so it was a cold war standoff and it made absolutely no sense
No defense for the American people think about what we were spending trillions on cold wars trillions on defense all kinds of weaponry
But we had absolutely no defense from the single
solitary most important threat the American people faced and that was
Nuclear ICBMs we had no defense. Oh, I'm sorry. I've misspoken
They did carve out one little piece of defense in the in the
Antibolistic Missile Treaty one little piece of the defense
The American governing classes were allowed to provide
Anti-missile defense for the capital city for Washington DC
so the rest of the American people had no defense the government had no interest in defending them and
Would could pursue reckless
reckless policies that made their lives even more endangered and
Yet the governing classes that got us into this friggin mess
Had the provision carved out that they could defend their own hometown. So
Bunkers continuation of government as if that was you know the goal the
The the book I'd like to get into some of the stories. Yeah, because it it follows a pattern
that first off they got to build up, you know, how bad and evil somebody else is and
Then the solution to that we got to go kill them and it's just been
It's like the same same same and I want to preface, you know your response with this
What happens is that
You got to demean the other side their nips their kikes their, you know
Hitler
Stalin something
Whatever the hell they come up with and
Then therefore we must kill them
Why but what is really behind this, you know
It seems like war for its own sake or or smelly butler, you know war is a racket
We're just going to make some money or
It seems more and more like it's an altar sacrifice to get their stripes in hell or something
I mean these people are bad
Doing bad things. They know is bad, you know, that's like the definition of evil, you know, and I'm I'm wondering
What is the commonality throughout the years and decades the times as you studied this subject that you see that there's a
Type of person kind of like I ran books, you know, we're all about you're you're fighting
Character or lack thereof you're fighting people that they're they're they're not human. They're not
Normal there are different species. I mean literally there's something wrong with them
What's wrong with them Charles? What kind of people are these?
let me
Detour into the answer and I really want to
Respond to you directly, but I think I can detour into it in a way and at least
Describe a part of it and since I'm a media guy and been a media guy
I like to to talk about the manifestation of this madness in the media
There is a there is a syndrome
That I call combat envy and I call it combat envy because there's not a name for it
And you won't find it in any of the standard, you know, psychiatric diagnostic manuals
It's not there, but it should be because it's a very very prevalent and very very dangerous
so combat envy is this
This syndrome where people seek to fill a hole in their own lives or in their own so
Psychies by egging on wars and bragging about their non-existent war mongering
achievements their acts of daring do throughout their lifetimes and
I suppose it doesn't matter if you run into a guy in a bar and a guy in a bar says oh, yeah, I was a
Navy seal or I was a green beret and makes him feel a little better and he you know
I want you to buy him a drink and I whatever but when they're in the national media or in the political classes the governing classes
It's very very dangerous indeed and I like to cut side a couple of media examples
Let me let me start with this one. I've got a list of them, but let me start with this one
Well, let me even back up to start with this one. There was a guy on Fox News named
Wayne
Simmons Wayne Simmons was a
National Security CIA veteran CIA veteran national security terrorism advisor and Fox News had him on all
the time and they didn't have him on because of the wisdom of what he said they had him on because he
Pushed the wars pushed all the wars. He was like out of his mind the way he pushed the wars
He was and they like that because you know fear is an intoxicant and it spikes ratings
This is a Fox News alert. So this guy Wayne Simmons on there for years, I guess 15 years or so and
He would come up with the most insane
Stuff, I think it was probably
10 or more years ago probably 12 15 years ago that he was pushing for a an American ground invasion of Iran
I mean scratch my head and wonder who kicked this guy off the turnip truck
So but anyway, what what really happened with him while he you know pushed the wars and
the real CIA guys
Didn't like it very much. And so one of them blew the whistle on him and it turned out
He wasn't really a national security advisor of CIA veteran a terrorism expert that Fox brought into our living rooms
every day he was a
Hot tub manager and a bookie and a fellow and he was he was a poseur and so they got rid of him
But of course they had to fill him with somebody else and they got all kinds of crazy journals on there now
But I mean that's that's one example
But a better one is probably because this guy was centerpiece in delivering news to the American people
This was a guy by the name of Brian Williams. Everybody remembers him
he was the primary anchor on NBC News big major network primary news anchor Brian Williams and
Brian Williams went as a reporter as an anchor went into the first Gulf War
He went in with a bunch of guys and you know to watch and see what they were doing
You know, they treat these guys with the kid loves these media people. They don't want anything happened to him
So, you know coptered into wherever it was Baghdad or wherever it was during the first Gulf War
So in the subsequent years on shows like the Tonight Show in interviews and public appearances
He started
Embellishing his experience about how threatened he was how dangerous it was and it got worse and worse with each retelling about
You know, we were we were targeted and then the next time, you know
I saw an RPG just headed right at me the next time the RPG damn near hit
But it's the helicopter behind and we had to I don't know what he said that we had corkscrew landing and you know
Dangerous territory. Anyway, it just got worse and worse and worse and the guys
The guys that were on the mission finally blew the whistle on him in Stars and Stripes
And they said no, you know, we were the participants and he
None of what he said happened
By the way, the name of the real operation that he was on was big windy
Which kind of
But they said it wasn't true and once he was found out once they blew the whistle on him at these gross distortions and exaggerations of his
experience he goes, I
Mean, he still couldn't take responsibility for it. So he goes. Oh
I
Must have had a tumor
It was a tumor
Seeking yeah, seeking to excuse himself from what he had done now here
Here's the real rub of these stories and I tell you another one. I'll get them
Maybe I'll get the bill right bill right, but the real story is he worked for general electric NBC was owned by General Electric and
General Electric doesn't have enough respect for its audience for its viewers to have gotten rid of the guy
Think about it. These guys are expected to tell you the truth dig and provide accurate information about things going halfway around the world
That they don't know anything about but to at least do a diligent job of trying to provide you the real story and on the things
They know best they prove to you that they're willing to lie and deceive you
So did General Electric fire him? No, they didn't fire him
Why because he was a raw raw war guy and being a war contractor. They liked that
So they suspended him
I don't know for a couple of weeks or a month whatever it was and then they moved him over made him the primary anchor on MSNPC
And everybody in the media the big players in the media like Roger Ailes at Foxy would said well, you you know
these are good guys and and
They had their own they had Bill O'Reilly. You remember Bill O'Reilly when we were working together
He was making up stories about his. Oh
When I when I lived by men in battle
Seriously, you can still find that videotape on that on YouTube that when I leave my men in battle
But he was talking about you know when I was in the war when I was in the Falklands
Uh, when I had I think he said he had to drag his cameraman to safety
I don't know but in any event he kept talking about the Falklands war where he was and I saw war time
I saw the reality war in the Falklands or all of his nonsense
He was never
I repeat
Never in the Falklands period end of story and it got worse. I mean he would talk about I saw nuns getting shot in the head
Well, he didn't see any nuns getting shot of the head
He might have seen photos in the aftermath, but he was nowhere where it was happening
You know, I mean I saw the I saw the zupruder film. Should I be telling people? I was there
I witnessed the Kennedy assassination because I saw photos
So anyway, but you know, what did they do with him when he was caught up lying to the
American people about his own experience. They didn't do anything
That's the respect that they have for you if it's good for ratings. Give him a raise. That's what they're willing. That's what they're willing to do and
I'll tell you it's actually goes on to this day
I don't read any of his books
But everybody tells me that his book killing Kennedy about the Kennedy assassination
Is much the same thing that he says he was on the doorstep as an investigating reporter
He was on the doorstep of uh, I think it was george demoran shield
He was a kind of an important figure in the nexus between oswald and cia. He was a cia guy and some sort of a
Connection as a handler of of oswald and he said I was on the doorstep ringing the doorbell of george demoran shield
When the shotgun blast went off and he killed himself and in his home with a shotgun
And of course it was a lie
He wasn't he wasn't on the door. He wasn't even the same state in florida
He was in texas and somebody came up. Well, here's a phone call recorded with bill o'reilly at the station in texas at the time
It's certainly he certainly couldn't have gotten to florida and back in that
So these guys make this stuff. I what did they do with o'reilly? They didn't do anything. They let him
They let him what do you call this syndrome?
I call it combat envy. They're so desirous of being viewed as important
brave
involved
Knowledgeable and in fact and even and they never learn. Here's the thing brian williams even even after he got found out when
when the uh, I guess it was the yeah, the obama's administration faked made that fake uh,
Gas attack strike a deadly sarin gas attack strike on syria that you know was another made-up phony thing
brian williams is on television anchoring the news talking about it and he starts quoting
Songwriter lindard collin. He says I am guided by the beauty of our weapons
So these people i'm telling you they are they are deranged
And so that doesn't take us all the way back to the the whole spectrum of your question about who are these people and how
How do they get there?
But they're very dangerous in the media because they champion these things because it makes them feel important
And it feels feel some even I think uh, I think roger ale said, you know
Well brian williams he doesn't feel as good as the important general as he talks about because he never went to college
I'm thinking that's an excuse to lie about wars
So
Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't cover the whole the whole thing but that's the and of course they're the politicians
There's no point, you know talking about political lies everybody knows but I mean, you know
Hillary clinton had her stories about you know in bosnia and you know, she were they were taken
They were being shelled when she was helicoptering in and and uh, they were in so much danger or whatever
I don't even remember her nonsense, but it was all nonsense and
Um
as
As the truth had it they actually landed at the airport in bosnia or wherever the the event was
They had uh, you know everybody little kids and national costumes out on the tarmac
And she had chelsea with her chelsea probably a teenager at the time
I mean there were none of these dangers that she talked about and uh,
Even, uh, charo crow was on sin bad was on the comedian sin bad was on the same flight
You know, it's entertaining the troops go over there and uh sin bad said there was anything he said the only thing
Scary about it is where we're going to go for lunch
So she made this up as another tale of daring do and there are guys like
You know, senator richard bloom and thaw
Connecticut, you know talk about himself as a vietnam veteran when of course he was it
So this stuff goes on all the time
So it's in the governing classes. It's in the media and it doesn't cover the whole spectrum of uh, why they lie to us about this
Um, so much, but i'll give you just a quick anecdote about the profit bearing side. I mean this should tell you everything
um, we were
We were in syria
The united states military the pentagon
Was providing training and arms at the expense of course of the american people
I mean somebody ultimately has to pay the bill they were providing training and arms to uh,
fundamentalist terrorists in syria
Who were fighting against islamic terrorists who were funded by the cia?
Which is a pretty good deal
You know, if you want to arm both sides of uh, of a war it's good for the
For the weapons of death merchants and and i looked at wraithy on stock with all the tomahawks being fired off
I looked at wraithy on stock last week and they're doing just great the american people aren't doing so great
But wraithy on defense contractors are are doing great. So, you know, there's the profit motive
There's clearly the profit motive. There's the desire that uh, people have of a desire to rule the world
There is it. Well, it in fact, there's no better example than the first uh, the george w bush
You know, there were so many there were so many interests that came together in that war
Carl rove figured out
That george w bush pulled 10 points higher if he was in a bomber jacket
So before they were done with him, they had him landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier proclaiming mission accomplished
And uh, you know, that's because there was after all
There was going to be a mid-term election in 82 and they wanted to do well in that
And so everything but the the lies run so deep. I mean in the in the bush war
There was an economist to I think he was friendly with bush because he was from texas
But he was somehow placed in the first part of the administration guy's name was lindsey
I can't remember. I think it must might have been larry larry lindsey
But he was a you know for these government economists
He was pretty fair economists and he came out and is he was maybe head of the council of economic advisors
And when the when they were beating the drums for the iraq war after it started said well
This work could cost us like 50 billion dollars
And they fired him for it
He said the work could cost us 50 billion dollars. That was so
Set so poorly with the american people that they fired him so that they could downplay the cost of the war
And of course it ended up costy three trillion dollars
So it's all lies. It's all lies and jests. So the man hears what he wants to hear and just regards the rest
And and the reasoning you know, I here here comes
Something else. I wanted to show this
Save us
Walter Cronkite
It's Walter Cronkite AI
You know, we have the we have not just the internet. We have the internet is gonna tell us what's up
You know, so this is and Walter Cronkite turns out to be you know
Just part of mocking burden, you know reading by whatever they tell them to read and whatever
And you went through this I want to spend some time on that a little bit
because you were
Known as the anti-war guy
You know, I started radio the anti-war guy february of 03 before the land invasion into iraq
So we we had that, you know in common
And it was
Your clear channel, you know, you you're in between
You know
Hannity and rush limbaugh
I remember, you know, so charles was an up and cover. I mean they they had plans for charles
And he just could not lie
He just wouldn't do it. He knew better and but he didn't know better. You know, I remember the article it was um
American conservative, I think it was a pap you can and had this magazine
And wrote the article how to lose your job and talk
You know, well here we go, you know
And um, I had how I knew charles is my political activism. I had been on this show before
And uh became friendly. It was like well, obviously you're libertarian, you know, and it um
Got to where they brought you in
To explain it to you. I want you to tell that story
Yeah, you know, it's you gotta be for the troops, you know, and baby bushes administration and so on
Talk about that and what your response was and what it meant to your career
That you were willingly willing to throw into the dustbin
Instead of being one of these propagandists of which they expected you to do
And they explained it to you tell that story
Yeah, I might get some of the details out of order because I haven't thought about that
if you think about it the uh
The iraq war was, you know built up in 2002 and launched in march of 2003
So I I haven't thought about it a lot
But one of the things that leaves immediately to mind is well
You were my producer for a while after that and uh, you know how ridiculous this would be but
The management one time when I was on the air the management called my producer on the hotline in the control room
and said
Don't let charles talk about the war
And the producer my producer at the time good guy turned out to be a really good guy, but he he said
He said well, how am I get serious? How am I going to stop him?
What do you want me to do?
Don't let charles talk about the war. Of course, it was only the number one story
In talk radio in the world in the news. So but it it uh
They were they they didn't they didn't know what to do with me. They wanted to keep me
They just paid me a ratings bonus. They were happy with me
They even flew me out from phoenix to uh, their flagship station in la
uh to do the morning show when the guy was gone or something
I mean and the the head
Talk show guy for probably the biggest talk show
Consulted in history that made more big names famous than you can imagine
I mean if I could rattle him off, he'd know him off
He had taken a special shine to me. He liked me used to fly into phoenix sit in the studio watch me watch my show
and uh
But anyway, these people they knew they had a problem with me because uh, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't shut up about the war
and
It wasn't just, you know, I'm railing against the war, but every time they'd float a new story
You know a new made-up story about something I I'd get somebody on that had
impeccable credentials to talk about why that couldn't be so
And so they you know, they didn't know they didn't know what to do and they tried to get me one of the one time
Oh, this is how toxic this stuff becomes. This is bad memory for me, but I'm gonna tell you anyway
This the stuff being on the uh being on the bad guy list
And nobody had to say anything everybody knew I was on the bad guy list
I'd walk down the halls and people I'd been really friendly with during the whole time
I worked there were kind of duck into their side offices and stuff
So they didn't have to be seen associated with me and uh one day
one of the
Well, this major talk show consultant that I alluded to
He called me at home and he was trying to figure out and I don't blame me
He was trying to figure out, you know
What are they what do they do with me because as you say I'm sandwiched between war monger shan hanity rush limbaugh
What are they gonna do with me and they didn't really have a solution? I had a solution for them
I could have told them what to do
I had great successes of radio program grammar and owned a radio station
What they should have done was said, you know, they didn't like it
They should have said, you know, listen to charles go ahead afternoon drive today
And see if you can figure out what he's missing
You know, I mean they could have made it an object of interest and stuff
But instead, you know, they wanted to intimidate me to go along with the war and of course, I wouldn't do that
So that anyway, this consultant calls me one day at home
And he says well, charles, you know, well, you know what
Maybe you could do this or maybe you could do that. I go no seriously, you know, I can't you know
I'm not gonna lie about anything, you know, I'd rather, you know, save my soul didn't lie
about stuff like that
So anyway, he said well, I agree with you about the war
But yeah, you can't really yada, yada, yada, whatever he said
And that's lost in the annals of history somewhere
I don't remember exactly what his solution was
He didn't really have one, but he's flailing about trying to figure out what to do
And so, you know, I said, well, I can't you know, I can't do that
So and I knew I would put myself on a path of career suicide
But you have to do that sometimes, you know, what's his name? Joe Kent just did that
So anyway, the same guy though calls me late at night at home
Again, and he says, you know, Charles, what I told you
About my being opposed to this war, please don't mention that to anybody
You know, it's it's fear. I mean they they peddle fear to keep everybody in line and and everybody knows it
I've got a thing in the book, you know, I divide
What we're talking about when we talk about the establishment and the deep state and the empire
Of lies that try to, you know, create some sort of a framework
So people understand that these are all different things and they have different functions
But I can tell you guys that are establishment figures
You know like
Oh like
Oh, let me give you this one. The guy's named Leslie Gelb. You cannot believe this guy's
Resume he was uh, I think he was a department of defense official. He was a new york times editor
He was on the board of the new york times. He was a new york times columnist
He was on the board of the kennedy center. He was on the board of one university after another. He was
It goes on and on and on you just look at this resume
You think like god, how did he have time to do all that but all the establishment places?
He was a leading figure Leslie gelt is his name and many people back in that day remembered him from his columns
And as being an editor of the new york times and so on and so forth
And so after the iraq war he said well my support for the iraq war basically boiled down to
You know, you don't want to risk your credibility with the establishment
So even if they even if they think it's a fraud their position in society or the positions that they
They own nobody's going to keep them on the board of the new york times if they oppose the war
so anyway, that's kind of that's kind of what happened and
I ended up, you know, I was had a really good contract as I say they just paid me a ratings bonus
In fact that they insisted on getting me on a contract there and I didn't I wanted to work at will which is as long as you're happy with me
You know, I'll I'll be happy to work here and as long as I'm happy with you
I'll be happy to stay and we've got nice beautiful green
No, they wanted to get me on a contract because they knew one of the other stations kept snooping around trying to get me over there
So I signed the contract in
You know and kind of reluctantly and one of the terms this contract went back and forth is these things do it back and forth
And so finally you got the final version of everything's fine. I don't have a problem with there's nothing wrong except one little thing
And that was I'm a family man. I had kids one little thing was
I didn't want to work at night, you know, I'd be home with my family
So you could I don't care if you had to get me up at five in the morning for the early shift
And nobody likes that one of my colleagues had a contract says I will not work that early shift
They go, yeah, we get it. We know I ruined your life. So but I said I'd do that
I'll do any time of day any time of day, but I don't want to be on the radio at night
and
They and this is what they said they didn't want to draft the contract again. They didn't want they
My boss was under a tremendous amount of pressure to get me signed
And she said she said Charles
Don't worry about that. You don't need to get that in there. He said she said we pay you too much money to work at night
Which was true because radio listening is in the day and in
Automobiles and stuff like that at night people are watching tv at home
You know the radio listening numbers are way down at night. So we pay you too much money to work at night
I go, yeah, you're right. Okay. I won't insist on a change
But when I got crosswise with them for my opposition to the war
The only thing they could do is
Well, they could have done an honorable thing
They could have just you know paid off my contract for the next year or however much was left and
Let me go my way. But instead they moved me to the nighttime slot hoping that nobody would notice they had a
Renegade in the lineup
So that was part of you know, that was part of the you know, I remember those days and what happened was
During the day you had the other hosts that were
Making fun of you
Oh, Charles. It's got bad job. And it was you could smell it. They were making the shift
They were doing on me. Oh, yeah
Yeah, it was it was ugly and it was stupid. You know made them look stupid
And it just showed you the the quality
Or the respect that they had for the audience
And when Charles went tonight and it was like late, wasn't it like nine to midnight or
Seven to ten seven to ten. Well, I had kids. I want to be home with them in the evening. So, yeah
So they go yeah, you have two sons and he goes, um, they they put you at night and
I
I know that you had you know for the time slot you were beating the crap everybody there and I can tell you that
but it was um
Obvious what was going on and they were running out your contract you went to the end of the contract, didn't you?
Uh at some point before it ended the uh, bit the bullet and paid me the remainder
There it wasn't it wasn't much but it had run down quite a bit and so they bit the bullet
So this is systemic and I want to tell this story and have charles comment on a little bit. Um
He and I were at the same station
Um, I eventually moved from my slot and became your producer
Which I was happy to do which I was happy to have you
You know
Raise you at all. I thought you wanted a title, you know
I was like, you know, I wasn't going to get a raise. So I go. I want to be the imperial producers. That's how
You were I want a title, you know, but the um
So then we went on to air america hired us and it was
They were, you know, communist radio and they thought that we were liberal terrians
And then they find out immediately that we're, you know, libertarian
And they're like you're against this and that and that but we thought but to a contract, you know
And charles knew better than to make sure that
He retained control and I did it in my future contracts and everything
That you want to be clear whatever put me whenever you want, but
I get to control what I talk about and what I say
This is important, you know, to maintain that and charles is, you know, uh mentored other people doing their own contracts
That you've helped with on that very kind of point
but the um
The the time that we spent together
It was obvious to me how good you were and why you were you worked really hard at it and you understood the subject material
but
it was always
pressure from they them those
For you to comport to whatever it was and they did it through advertisers
You know, I I'm I'm not going to advertise on a
Station that would allow this kind of talk or you better whatever and when we were over at air america
I remember because you hammered on john mccain so much, you know, and you know as did I
but it was um
In my opinion
They came because they knew he was going to be running for president and no hate or whatever
That they bought the radio station that we were on for god like three times when it was worth
Just to clear the deck for mccain
That was my opinion. Okay. What was your opinion? Well, let me tell you this since you brought up john mccain
I have a piece that's on the
the libertarian institute
Front page. I think that's probably two or three articles down
In the last couple days and on anti war dot com
The in not probably I think it was on friday
So you may have to go back a couple of days to find it
But it's called a combat envy in the strange case of john mccain
And you'll remember this because you are in phoenix, but this is a great story
It's going to eat up a little time and I don't know whether I should
You know impose. Oh, man till you're born aboard. Well, it's so interesting
when uh, when when john mccain
Was looking for a congressional seat
He was looking for a place a good district and he rolled into arizona thinking that uh, you know, there was a
I remember it all as it happened. He bought a house in tempe for cash
because there was a
Not more than a possibility. There was a certainty that there's going to be a primary for the the
incumbent was not rerunning
And there was going to be a primary and he hoped to win the primary and be elected to congress in this
highly republican district so
He blew into town in 82
And uh, he was quickly adopted by the publisher of the big newspapers in arizona the arizona republic and the phoenix gazette
And I mean they had the weight
They had the muscle, you know newspapers don't have the muscle like they did but think about this. This was 18
2838 for this
45 years ago or something and they had the muscle in fact the publisher
Of the arizona republic was a guy named daryl tully duke tully
They called him the duke and everybody kind of feared him and because he used a heavy hand to run that
Station and you know anybody got in his way on civic issues and stuff
He pounded he'd have them pounded in the editorial pages and stuff
He was not you didn't want him for an enemy and he went on to say I tell them I tell arizona
What to think I mean he was quite full of himself
So when mccain blew into town
He and duke tully got to know one another and it was like an instant bond between the two of them. It was uh,
it was
the
former prisoner of war john mccain fighter pilot
Annapolis graduate son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral and duke tully and the thing is about duke
Tully was that he was you know something of a war hero too because he he flew
I think a hundred combat missions. He flew combat missions. I believe in korea
He flew as many as a hundred combat-ish missions in vietnam. He was air force
And you know, he liked to talk about it
He would show up at military meetings dinners inaugural balls or whatever they were in his
In his full dress uniform a lieutenant colonel star-spangled medals all over his chest
And so on and uh, you know pictures on his wall and the
The medals that he won and so he and mccain they were like a moth to a flame
The only problem is that duke tully
Had a severe case of what I call combat envy
And that is what drew him to mccain because duke tully had never been in the air force
He didn't fly fighters. He had never been in korea. He'd never flown missions in
Um in vietnam all the medals the distinguished flying crosses or whatever they were the combat medals
The bravery medals and stuff that he wore they had pinned up on his walls all fake
And the story finally came out just like the story came out of brian williams that he had been faking this fraud for 30 years
And uh when when the story hit, you know, he resigned in utter disgrace. It was hugely scandalous
And it was more so because he'd been such a mean sob to anybody that disagreed with him over anything
You know, so they all enjoyed dog python when he was disgraced and he checked himself into a mental institution
And uh, um
And but but anyway, here's the backstory and i've talked to people i've talked to executives at the newspaper and other people
That were close to the situation and stuff
How did john mccain john mccain is as I say in an apples graduate an actual fighter pilot
An actual, you know spent time in the military. He was an actual
Had he not know
Yeah, how could he not know
That this guy was lying all the time and duke duke tully. They were so close the family's vacation together
um mccain's ubiquitous pop media daughter megan mccain is uh
Duke tully's goddaughter. He was her godfather. So
They were so close their families were close. How could he have not known the lies? Well, of course the answer is
You know anybody with two brain cells would have known the lies. I mean, how could he keep the story up?
You know if somebody told me i've been in radio all my life somebody said oh, I was in radio when you were in radio
Oh, where were you? Oh, did you know so-and-so?
Uh, yeah, I can't remember the name. I think I worked with him some you know
I mean they makes the hub you see right through it
So
Anyway, how could mccain not know? Well, of course, he didn't want to know because he was exploiting
uh, you know this uh
combat envy
And mccain was his personal
I mean
Duke tully was his personal campaign manager effectively he introduced in all the
You know the rich and famous and the phoenix 40 the big powerful interest group and you know raised money for him
And he gave him you know had the editorial staff singing his praises all the time
So mccain ended up
Eeking out a very narrow win in a crowded primary. I think there were five candidates or some candidates had been
You know proven reliable and something of a track record of being honest with the american people
And being good principled conservatives that you thought wouldn't lie to you and stuff
But he beat them all out and then it was an easy general election. So he was elected
elected to the
elected to the to congress and eventually moved up and was elected to uh to senate so
Anyway, how did he not know about Duke tully's lies?
Well, he never really said and nobody can explain it because it's not explainable
But this is the same syndrome of uh, uh, of uh, you know combat envy playing its way out
and so now
You know that wait one one thing one thing we now we not only have mccain, but we have his offspring in the form of lindsay
Uh, lindsay graham
Who piled around with him and stood in mccain shadow all the time and wanted to be like mccain and then mccain died
He became like mccain and stuff and it's gotten so bad lindsay graham is so crazed in his warmongering
You know we're going around the world. We're overthrowing dictators and we're we're we're
Oh man, it's just like it's insane and even megan mccain
Said on x the other day somebody's got to rain in lindsay graham. He's scaring everybody because he's so
Totally unhinged and it's true, but this is the same syndrome and that's you know
Kind of what we were up against in uh in arizona that you know in opposing
In opposing the war you had a state republican party that was all formongers
You know over the years many of them have you know figured it out
But it wasn't really even even when ron paul
Said in the 2007 debate, you know that uh, you know, we just marched in and we could just march out
Um, you know and if we had listened to him in 2007 we'd already been in the war from I guess four years at that point
But we were in it for total nine
Even at that point if we had listened to ron paul then
We would have ended with the same outcome that we ended with uh years later
But it would have saved a thousand american lives
It would have saved probably 40 000
Innocent non-combatant iraqi lives. It would have saved the american people one and a half trillion dollars if we'd just done
with john mccain's I mean that what what uh
Ron paul said and marked out it at that time, but of course we didn't do it
It wasn't in in my view ernie. It wasn't until for some reason
donald trump came down the elevator in
2016 or 17
Summer 15
And uh said he was running and he was you know set on the first presidential debate
Yeah, you know, they lied us into war. It was all a lie and stuff
But the american it was that that was the moment that was like
Yeah, it was like uh, the emperor has no clothes somebody
Had the courage to say it besides ron paul
And uh, he said it and the american people started nodding their head
Well, it'd be hard to deny it by 2011 or 12. It was that it was all a lie
not many people would be able to hold on that tightly to the fabrications, but uh
There there you work. Can I tell the fabrication or two by those guys?
Oh, man, you you you go your entertainment man go
Okay. Well, here's here's a good fabrication. There are so many. Oh, I'll tell you another one
I'll tell you about bush's daddy the first president bush
So the american people didn't want to go into the gulf war
You this was when this was when saddam hussein was our guy
When he wanted to he had a beef with kuwait about them slant drilling and taking stealing the
Iraqi oil whatever his beef was he was our guy. I mean look the CIA
Put the bath party hussein's party in power in iraq and hussein came along with him
He was our guy and when he wanted to we had squabble with kuwait and wanted to invade
He went to our ambassador to get our ambassador's approval before he did anything because everybody's forgotten
But saddam hussein was our guy. Look we gave him illegal
Precursors and
material support in the use of illegal biological and chemical weapons in his war with aran that we
helped fund and provided
You know intelligence for and
Access to
Access to illegal by our own standards weapons. So he was our guy and he went to the ambassador
She said well, we don't take we don't have any, you know, air of air of the problems
We don't take any issue of that
Basically, that was a wink and a nod that he saw it
So it was a sign as he saw it that you know, he could go ahead and invade kuwait. So
When bush was thinking about taking this in and he wasn't thinking about it at first
Margaret thatcher had to you know, encourage him at a meeting and uh, I think it was an aspen
She said he said oh, george don't go wobbly on us now and he'd been fighting that wimp image
You know people said oh george bush was a wimp and
Senior and he didn't want to be thought it was a wimp. So even margaret thatcher said you got a man up
You know, okay, I guess I have to have to start this war. So
But the american people weren't buying it and why should they be buying it?
Why should they send their loved ones their fathers and brothers and mothers and daughters even
sisters husbands wives off to this war because
Here's what the kuwaiti royal family was doing while we were arming up to send our guys to bite and die
The kuwaiti royal family was chartering. Well, they didn't have to charter jets. They had their own
They were flying off to switzerland to go disco dancing
So but the americans were gearing up to go over there and do battle on their behalf while they were having a good time in
CERN or Lodano or whatever they went so
Anyway, they the american people still weren't buying the war. They hadn't sold it to us
They had they had to figure out a way
How could they sell that iraq war to the american people and they finally came up with this
These are these are the product of a you know a lot of
Thinking in white house, you know, they got to come up with a way
How are you going to stampede the american people in the war?
And so this is what they came up with they came up with it
Well now that Saddam's in Kuwait
He's on the verge of destroying western civilization
He has I don't remember the numbers, but it's something like he has 15,000 troops
And no a big part. I think he's they said he had 200,000 troops and 15,000 tanks now
Right on the verge of Saudi Arabia right on the border and he's ready to roll in
That's his next move after Kuwait. He's going to roll into Saudi Arabia. That's the end of western civilization
We depend on them for petroleum. They'll take that country no more gasoline
You won't be able to drive to work
You know you everything will come to a halt in america and western civilization dies because you wouldn't give the government
Your support to go in to go and so they used a very real threat people took the threat of oh no more petroleum for americans
They took that very seriously
but
one reporter
At a little newspaper in st. Petersburg, florida thought well, that's interesting. Let's go see
So she hired the satellite time. You could rent surveillance satellite time. She hired the satellite time and she hired american
satellite
Photography analysts to go through it all with the pictures came in
And again, they could see everything I could see you know american fighters on the on the bases in riyadh, Saudi Arabia
They could see you know where Saddam was in the Kuwait or wherever
But guess what no
Troops on the border of Saudi Arabia. No tanks. No supply lines. No quarters for the people
No roads that have been used for anything. That was all a lie
And it was discovered not by the you know major resources of nbc cbs
abc
Washington Post new york times news week got the out of time magazine
But not by them but by a little reporter in st. Petersburg
And so she kept trying to hold the administration's feet to the fire kept calling
Cheney's office. What are you saying about this a pretty serious lie?
And they just said trust us about it. Trust us about it. So this is this is how they get away with it
But i'll give you another one from
the george w bush
Iraq war the first one's the gulf war the second one's the
iraq war and they
They had a group
In the white house doing the same thing trying to figure out
How do we sell this war to the american people and they spent a year
Trying to soften the people up and propagandize them about all the reasons for this war
So they had a group in the white house. It was called the white house iraq group
That considered the ways the story that they could tell how they could package this in a way that would be
Talable for the american people to go to war in iraq, which the people didn't really want to go to war in iraq
And so they came up with
Well, we don't want to see the fight, you know weapons of mass destruction
We don't want to see the final evidence
Of a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud and that was the tagline
You know final evidence smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud
Who is the white house iraq group were these guys that you know had some knowledge about the presence and the
Feasibility of nuclear weapons based on the information. No
Were they generals that understood, you know that it's been their lives understanding, you know nuclear exchanges and the damage
No, it was nobody like that
They were all spin meisters the white house iraq group was spin meisters
They were pollsters. They were
Advertising guys. They were guys that wrote talking points
They there wasn't an expert about anything in there whatsoever
But they came up with a smoking gun form of mushroom cloud
And so the administration used that to terrorize the american people. Oh, yeah, we've got to go to war because smoking gun
In the form of a mushroom cloud
So even then the people were a little reluctant to buy it and so they would come up with this things these things like
Oh, this was a really good one. They came up with these aluminum tubes
They found that iraq had these aluminum tubes and these aluminum tubes were part of the, you know, uh refining process
Of uh uranium preparation
Yeah, aluminum tubes, you know
Sontrafuges that they're needed. This is how they this is how they refine the
Uranium into a state that can be used to weaponize and they can get down to 20 percent
But eventually they'll get it to 60 percent because they have these aluminum tubes now
Our own department of energy guys that are actually in the business of uh, things like sontrafuges and aluminum tubes and refining uranium
Said sorry. No, no can do these aluminum. They don't work. They don't fit. They don't configure. No, they're not part of that
They wouldn't work or not they're not unrelated. Sorry
That was our own department of energy guys that are in that business
But it didn't matter to the deep state. So in dick cheney's office
He and scooter livy
Sit down and package up this story about these aluminum tubes and why this is the this is that we've
Final piece of evidence. We've nailed it down their words. Not mine
We've nailed it down final piece of evidence now
We're on the way to smoking gun and foreign mushroom cloud and they package this story about the non feasible
Non-functional inappropriate aluminum tubes and they package it up as a great threat and they sold it to the new york times
so
Now this is a brilliant play that these guys pull off and they do it all the time and they do it to this day
So the deep state and by the deep state i mean in this case, uh, you know scooter livy and dick cheney working underground
They deep state package this thing this thing up and they sell it to the lapdog press the new york times
the lapdog press in the form of judeff miller by the way who had been relying on a uh, uh on a uh
On a bank in bezler named akma chalabi who the neocons wanted to put in charge
Of uh, iraq once we invaded akma chalabi who had lied to us
About all these weapons of mass destruction and the administration of new york times. Yeah, what was his nick name curveball or something?
No, curveball was another guy could get back to him and curveball was another drunk
But uh, akma chalabi was the guy they totally relied on on him for information at the new york times
And mccain speaking mccain. Oh, oh, yeah, he became a favorite
You know mccain, uh, loved akma chalabi all the neocons loved akma chalabi because he was telling the stories about the weapons
And he was after all the guy that we would put in and everything would be fine in iraq so
Judith miller had been running his fraudulent stories for a very long time
So she took the new story about the aluminum tubes and it showed up under her byline
I think she had a co-writer on a sunday morning on the front page of the big wide circulation
New york times look aluminum tubes they held down the evidence
Smoky gun for a mushroom pot. So it shows up there now. Here's the perfect part of the play
Dick chaining shows up that same morning
On meet the prep why meet the press well even his own advisors said we like to go and meet the prep because it allows us to fold
spit
So he shows up that sunday morning on meet the press and he says
So help me hurry. He says aluminum tubes
Uranium processing
nailed down the evidence
Final evidence smoky gun for a mushroom cloud and this is what we found and they've got these
These aluminum tubes and then he says and this is the peace theory response
he says
But don't take it from me. Here it is on the front page of the new york times this morning
So it's you know the deep state plants the store in the news media the news
We're repacking just if they feed it back to the deep state deep state feeds it
You know to another lapdog press and the american people are the victims of all don't don't take it
You know, there's another tactic to this also that I found interesting
that it was
illegal
To propagandize lie to the american people
So what they would do is they would get you know rupert murdoch had newspapers around the planet or whatever
They'd have it planted in some australian paper that then they could replicate what australia paper said
You know that we didn't get probably just reporting what they said then they go on the
Sunday morning shows and go oh
Look at the headline of here from uh, you know, new york times from australia from, you know, the pentagon
I mean, you know, it's it it's my specialty. Ernie. I write about this stuff an empire of lies fragments from the memory hole
It's my specialty. Let me fill in a gap or could because it's please
Freaking believable
So in uh fomen and you know, and I'm sorry that for your younger viewers and listeners
You know, this is the iraq war and that was in 2003 that started didn't
Crap going on now till 2011, but it's the same modus operandi. It's the same thing going on
You know, uh, donnell rumsfeld told us then, you know, oh this war will go on
Six days, maybe six weeks. I doubt six months. Well, they do the same thing now
I think it was hey says that well, we'll be there, you know, five days five weeks
Yeah, the war's gonna pay for a shelf with all. Oh, yeah, it's the same thing over and over again. So, uh
This was one of the uh, you know, if so
So that you would buy the nuclear arms story
They came up with this account of saddam hussein trying so desperately to build these nuclear weapons
That he had that he was buying yellow cake a precursor to uranium that he would use to make his
His weapons of mass destruction and he was buying
Yellow cake from niger where it is produced in africa
So they came up with this big story about you know, yellow cake this proves his intentions and you know
It's another it's another nail in the coffin. We got the story. We got the story done to rights
so
Yellow cake that was the story and how did they verify the story?
They had a letter
from
an official of niger
Talking about it talking about, you know, this attempt by uh, saddam hussein in iraq to buy yellow cake
But the only problem is
That it was a fraud
Somebody wanted now think about this, you know, I don't have to point any figures. Everybody knows how this works
somebody wanted war
With iraq for their own reasons wasn't yellow cake because they knew it wasn't true
They wanted war badly enough and they want people to die because that's a component of it
You can't get away from that and they want to destroy property and the prosperity and the well-being of
Hundreds of thousands of people they wanted war badly enough that they're willing to forge documents
And traffic them through the international intelligence agency community to make the case for the war
But as I said a high school kid could have figured out that this document was a fraud
Now the intelligence agencies didn't because they were you know, like our own intelligence agency
They're on board they're not going to blow the whistle on a fraud that's helping them sell the war that they want to sell
But a high school kid wouldn't realize there are signatures on this document for people that weren't in the government at the time the document is dated
You know, there are I mean it was so obviously a forgery
It didn't take the iaea 15 minutes to figure out it was a forgery
But by then it was too late, but somebody wanted war enough to circulate this forgery. So here's what happens
They know it's sketchy like the people in the white house
Know that it's sketchy
so the president
Goes on it's not just that you know, it shows up in the newspaper or some official says it or arry fleischer lies about it
Like he lied about everything it's so sketchy that the president goes on the state of the union address
And he refers to this, you know
Attempt to buy yellow cake from these air, but he sources it to british intelligence so that there's no
You know, there's no response and we have learned from british intelligence or from british intelligence sources
That they have are acquiring
They they know it's a fraud bush eventually had to drop it because it was so much of a fraud
But people in the administration kept using it at major gatherings and stuff whenever they could even though
Even though even george tenet that dimwit had told them don't use that that's such a fraud
Everybody knows at this point, you know six months in after they've been saying everybody knows it's a fraud
But they kept they kept using it, but they source it to somebody else that gives them plausible deniability
Well, we're just doing what the british said, you know, so we didn't know ourselves
But they're good allies and we have reasons to trust them in most things if they made a mistake
At least it wasn't us
so I mean but this stuff goes on all the time and
The american people are going to be led around by the nose and to their slaughter the ruination of their liberty
The ruination of their prosperity the ruination of their future
As long as they're willing to tolerate these lies
and of course one of the reasons they're not willing to tolerate the lies because
If the other side lies if you're an r and the d guy lies you want to beat the snot out of him
You want to pound him on social media?
You want to you know pick at him or whatever that you want to pound him?
But if your guy lies you look away and if the r guy lies
The democrats want to beat the snot out of him and they want to go on social media
And they want to make a big thing about it. They want to write letters to the editor and they want to complain about it
And they want to have demonstrations in this town hall
But until the american people mature
And they figure out that the r's
ought to be responsible for cleaning up the r's house and not tolerating the liars in their own party because it's
It stains them
It harms their credibility. I think it hurts your soul, you know, if they tolerate liars
But they don't care charles
They just don't care
They don't care. They care afterwards. They care. What do they care about? What is it that you're doing are they offering up souls to
You know
It's not even I don't think it's even that deep
We are on the road right now for and that it's it's been coming for a long time
But this ranting is triggering a massive massive
Crisis it's much bigger than the price of oil is a massive crisis
It's you know a key break of the american military empire. It's a key break of our prosperity
It's a break of the dollar it is a massive crisis and the american people
are going to suffer
A kind of stagflation they'll I'm having a debate with one guy. He says they'll see it in the fall
I don't think you can wait till fall. You're going to see it in you're going to see this summer
You know massive price inflation and things things like food. Oh sure. It's visible in fuel now
Everybody sees it in fuel first. We should see it in food and other things
later, but they're going to suffer a
massive
massive loss of their prosperity and their freedom
And then on the other side when they have chance to think about it when they have chance to reflect
Then they'll start, you know seeking out the truth or being willing to listen to the truth
I mean, I know people I was so surprised that all of the maga people not all of them, but maybe half of the maga people
You know having elected trump on the no more regime change wars and
You know america for americans and we'll use our money to build up america
But when he changed when he wanted to do venezuela, for example half of the maga people go. Yeah. Yeah, right on chest uppers
We're all for it. You know, let's uh make the world safe for dr
So at the time they go whichever way the wind blows
But when they have to pay the bill and they will and it's going to start this summer
When they have to pay the will and they see their children's futures
Substantially diminished in their own lives and their retirements ruined and so on when they experience all that
They won't at first believe it on their own stupidity
They won't believe it on their own naivete that they supported this guy when he was lying to him
They supported him when he said he was going to do a but when he did b you kept supporting him
They they're not going to see it that way
For a while, but eventually they'll start assimilating it and it'll be like, you know a lot of people now
You know believe that we were lied into world war two that pearl harbor was a known event a lot of people
you know believe that uh
that
Oh like vietnam
Was a joke everybody knows that now that we were lied into iraq
So they'll see it afterwards when it's basically too late to go back and repair everything that they'll see it later
And then they'll understand
But the question is will they remember it the next time and that's why I wrote the book
It's the empire of lies
So you learn it while it's going on right before your eyes so that you will remember it and maybe we can reclaim our free
republican
And uh, you know, maybe if enough people wake up and maybe we can't you know, there is a tactic
there is a mechanism
To this and one of the things just recently a few days ago. We put this up
It was planet mine control
Documentary, you know, it was just out and it reminded me of a
I don't know. It's a at least an hour or two hours
And it was just all the things that you're talking about as a as a weaponized mechanism
And I got it from
Uh, it was a amaryllis kennedy
Is
Well, I I first saw her on tucker carlson
Like october before the election
Yeah, and she married rfk the third was rfk jr's campaign manager
And when he went trump, she went on tucker talking about, you know, their path to whatever
Well, she was a cia knock and had married another cia knock
So they're all cia aid babies and cia aid household of cia
Then uh, they divorced for whatever reason she marries rfk the third
well, um
beautiful woman
smart
intelligent
Great stories
And then it's an hour and 36 minutes into an hour and 47 minute interview
So there's like eight nine minutes or she goes, you know
We recognize this in the cia, you know, this was a
It's like immersion therapy and if you immerse people in
This rhetoric this propaganda this mass formation psychosis kind of crap
That you can create
Your own reality
And you get people so immersed in every direction from every blue face device that you're watching the tv
Your laptop your tablet your phone your friends you get and then you get all of a sudden you're locked down in covet
You know kind of thing
And I don't know what the
Anodote is but it definitely is a weapon that was developed that was understood
That they deploy all the time and they're doing it again with Iran
This is why the empire of lies is so timely that you can see the patterns and not only that
It's the same people
They just they break, you know
God, I saw he did that in the 70s, you know, it was rumsfeld and cheney decade after decade
During this Iran thing. Have you recognized any of the iraq people coming out old?
Cabinet member well name some of them man, you know
It was a it was a whole administration wires
Ari Fleischer I wrote a piece a matter of fact you can find this on either anti war dot com
Or a libertarian institute. I guess six weeks ago, maybe a month ago
I don't about Ari Fleischer and uh, you know, the same old lies all over again
You know fox news a couple weeks ago trotted out condolence arise. I about fell off my chair. Whoa
You mean they they in I think greenwald said they exhumed or brought her out
But you know, I posted something on x real quick about you must be kidding me
You're not freaking out condolence arise again. Are you but they they were so it's all the same old people
and it's the same old stories and
You know, they get away with it time after time and I call
I call the deep state
Of the executive arm
Of the global american empire
So it's the arm that actually makes the things happen
And you look at, you know, you look at people like condolence arise and uh,
Our immanuel and george w or arya fleischer
George w bush and stuff and you think well these guys are the deep state. Well, no, they're really kind of the political class
They're the governing classes the deep state
Is consists of well, obviously people at the top of the intelligence community and military intelligence and
A lot of them at the pentagon, you know, the the pentagon
Well, I'll skip that part of the story for now
But a lot of the people in government, but it's not just the guys at the top people think
They think that, uh, you know, like uh, john brennan former head of the cia
James clapper former national intelligence, uh
Director they think these guys are the deep state and of course they are and they lie with impunity
You know when uh, when clapper was found having lied to congress under oath
When he was found out he said well, I gave the least untruthful answer
I could
You know, but when you get sworn in you're always sworn in to tell the truth
The whole truth and nothing but the truth
But he gave the least untruthful answer
Is that really good enough for the american people?
Well, you really want to put up with scoundrels like that
But anyway, the deep state isn't just these guys at the top, you know
It's not just a national security advisor condolence arise who became secretary of state for her ineptitude
But uh, it's and it and it's not people at the top like brennan and clapper solely
It works its way down through all of these minions all of these, you know, uh, all of these, uh
I I hate to I hate to call them
I won't call them anything but it works as well
Better judgment not to call them with what they are but it's you know, it's uh, it's mermidans. It's minions. It's
it's uh
Lackies and stuff and
Familiars I tell you what it really hit with me
Is that you have
You know the draculas they got you know, you know shy from the light
They're in their coffins at night and they got their familiars out there. You know pick me
I want to be a vampire too, you know, they're out there run around providing insulation doing the grunt work for the
The draculas and i'm just so these are they're familiars
They're just out there doing the bidding off and I of course
Well, it's it's like it's almost like the dracula
Even to get down to baby blood. I mean, you know, it's just it it seems like these stories have some more
Root in fact as time goes on
And that's what I I I did want to before we go. I wanted to get into the philosophical aspects of this
Because well hang on let me let me face the point about these about these minions
Yeah, I just want I want to say that you know these petty minor bureaucrats
By any other name they're all the way down the food chain in the in the government
And it's a there's even an economic theory that it's called the public choice, you know
They're not interested in the public good. Oh, you may think they are you think you think they're interested in
Regulating industries for the public. No, they're interested in pleasing their bosses
It's a whole different set of incentives that work their way all the way up and really great example of how far it reaches down
into the bureaucracy is the guy
Alexander binman was a lieutenant colonel
In the first trump administration on trump's national security staff
And he's the one that basically opened the door for the first he led led the
The troops for the first impeachment effort of trump and he went to the senate and he testified and here's
Here's what he testified to us in at the problem. Of course, he's ukrainian
He we were obviously, you know not supporting ukraine
It was the american people's duty to go there and enter intervene and spend our money and
Go to a nuclear war if need be with russia on behalf of zalitsky
Because ukraine and that was his that was his interest but he was a public servant
He was paid for by the taxpayers to work for the president
He was on the president's staff
But he went to the senate and he he said well the problem with president trump
Is he's not following the dictates or not following the findings or not following the con oh the con the interagency consensus
The interagency consensus. He's defined the interagency consensus
And what is the interagency consensus?
It's the consensus of the deep state the interagency consensus. They all agree. They always agree
They're like bees in a hive. They all work for the good of the hive. They don't sting one another
They go about their different jobs some, you know a worker bees and some are uh, you know
Keep the queen cool by beating their wings and some go out in forage and some, you know
They all have different jobs, but they don't sting each other because they're they're bees of a common hive
And so this guy's just a mere lieutenant colonel, but for trump not following the interagency consensus, which is the deep state
Presumptions then, you know, he has to be taken out
So it works its way all the way down and one of the peculiar things about it is that nobody has to tell them what to do
Everybody's always looking for, you know, well, who gave the order? Who's it? They know what to do
They know the goal of the empire
So the executive arm the deep state is the executive arm of the global american military empire
Is the global american and military empire that provides them their livelihoods creates the profits for the
uh for the arms manufacturers allows them to re-elect to the congressmen and senators that uh vote for the deep state's
global military empire and uh, they they
Endow the think tanks that write the editorials for the global american military empire
Nobody has to tell anybody what to do and anybody that's looking for smoking gun evidence. Oh, they told him they met
They met at this place on this date and then you know, this is where they laid out their plans and we're trying to get
You don't need it
It's the global american military empire and its executive arm is the deep state
These are the people in government now the establishment talked about the establishment figures, you know, they're the people
You know the the new york times and the council for relations and all of those
You know treasury secretaries and world bank officials and all of that nonsense
You know, that's the establishment. They're kind of out in the open there
They have public lives
But the deep state, you know, it's just people that are following the needs that they into it that they know
They know it from signals of those above them or for the greater glory of the
American military empire
They know what to do. They are bees of a common hive and uh, they are so thick
They swarm these issues and they swarm people, you know, what's his name joke came out the other day
You know just like okay release the swarm the schmere boat is coming after him now
They're gonna they're gonna start digging into his past anything he ever did if he ever smiled at the pretty girl
We'll have it and we'll call it infidelity. You know, I mean it just
And that's that's how they work it's a hive mind
in my view
well, I'm I'm I'm trying to um
Insulate people from
Poor decisions poor cheerleading, you know team jersey red blue whatever crap and
to me the the fundamental base thing which has always been my deal is that um
Quit delegating authority to someone else to make these
World changing life impacting decisions for sure
And it's it's at that root
level and empire of lies is certainly
And don't delegate it to these guys, you know, well, but it's more than just these guys individuals
I mean, I'm sure you name a lot of names and give examples, but
It's something more fundamental. It's how we are
Lazy or we think it doesn't matter and to me it doesn't matter and I don't care
I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. It's over the horizon. I don't care. I'm past caring
It's not any influence. I don't care, but
With your book
The internet
AI
Save us. Walter Cronkite. I mean, you know, we got an
An optimist, you know, it's gonna be max headroom. You know, it's gonna be some, you know, AI max headroom guy, you know
Truth, I mean, you know, so this is a
Uh, I'm looking at the future because I've I've been saying for a long time
I'm going, you know, you'll know. How will you know I go? I you'll know
Because it's going to be a food thing. It always comes down to a food thing
Well, here it comes and it is what well lies
You're gonna take from us our our money
Our children
Our great-grandchildren
And they're never going to pay off the debt. They're going to try to inflate themselves out or grow themselves out or something
It's over that it's it's you know, the dollar meltdown your first book
It was just, you know, laid it out clear. Here we go
So i'm um
Of the opinion
For survival. I mean, you know, we have to you know, find bait
I I advocate that technology is such now that we can have
um
First class life not too hot not too cold not too hungry not too thirsty
You know, not too naked not too unsheltered not to whatever and have the same quality of life that we're
Not trying to you know demonstrate out here
We enjoy our life much more now never felt more secure more self-reliant more more
merkin
The internet and ai has provided us an opportunity
Not only to research what we want to to learn what we want to to share what we want to
And we can see that coming and thus we started freeman's phoenix, but it's now another weapon
They're coming after they're manufacturing reality bombarding us by bombarding us with crap
Empire of lies helps map that out
What do you think the role of the internet?
your book
People coming to this conclusion that how'd you know they were lying because their lips are moving kind of thing
So this is
Uh advice that philosophically
To the audience
What should they do? It's not just question everything not just be contrarian. There's got to be some principal
Some fundamental basic. What do you say you do here government? There's a revolution gap and it's from the promise
And reality and sooner or later
The problem the promise separates from reality enough that you get that revolution gap
And that's where we're going and I I can see it happening
We even had our own t-shirts on government doesn't work. I want my money back the revolution gap
This is um
Coming and I need
What advice do you have other than seeing the patterns
Read the book empire of lies just so you have the evidence not just to your neighbors and friends and family and so on
To yourself
That you are insulated you're inoculated against the bullshit that they continually
Do over and over and over
And as you point out they wheel out the people that helped them do it before they know they do it again
At some point there has to be
A determination that we're going to go extinct if we keep falling down this
For all this bs
So what is it that you're hoping from the book?
The capability of learning about this of checking out the the validity of everything that you say everything that you write about
Being you're remembering it correctly. What really happened
Now what what should people take from this? What's the solution charles?
well
The solution is
This is not satisfying to people and when i'm asked this question that nobody's ever satisfied with the answer
But it's the true answer and i'll share with you everything comes down to the individual
Everything comes down to the individual sweep your own front porch and the whole world will be clean
Everything comes down to the individual so each individual has to be responsible
Has to take responsibility has to start showing some integrity
I was you know i'm on a tour about my book and doing media tour and doing you know podcasts talk shows and stuff too
Besides just being on your show as a long time friends and associates, but i've been doing a lot of them
I was on one with some neocon whack job the other day and
He uh
He was so angry at me said to you know, I started talking about the illegality of our wars
You know that let me let me even back up
The american people have a constitution and it's like the rule book in the mba
You know if you fire off the shot after the buzzer goes off as the shot count
No, it doesn't count. How do you know because we have a rule book and you know, you may not like some of the rules and
Maybe some could be improved
But this is the rule book so everybody can learn to function around it
They learn what the rules are they know where they can go and where they should go and what the
So that's the rule book and it's the constitution
And the constitution says if you're going to have a war
It has to be declared by people's representatives because it is the people who pay for it
it is the people who die in it and they get to decide and
Here's what what what would be nice if people understood that when you know
We talk about checks and balances in our american system of government and divided power
We divided some authority here and some there it wasn't just dividing authority like uh
You know, here's one for you and here's one for me and here's one for them
And here's one for you one for me and one for them
That's not how they did it our our our governing class there the leaders
Of the american effort were really learned people and everybody around the world knew it even at the time
They knew that you know, we had the talent and intelligence and integrity in our leadership class
That put the british leadership class to utter shame
And I you can find british historians that will confirm that from morning till night
But we had an unusual class of people that showed up at one time. It's just like you know in in uh
in uh
The renaissance in italy had all these people showed up at the same time in a little town
Probably the size half the size of flag staff or something that uh all showed up at one time
You had donatello raffaello
da Vinci
You know on and on and on all showed up as a strange harmonic convergence of these artistic geniuses
Well, we had that in the american governing classes that led the revolution and then in creative
So i'm not saying that the constitution is perfect and has to do endure forever
But it's the rules of the game and why did they divide things the way they did wasn't haphazardly
It wasn't at random. They said knowing the historical precedents. They said look
The executive branch
Executive officers it can be prime ministers. It can be kings. It can be dukes throughout history
The executive has a propensity to start to engage in needless wars in elective wars
We will not give war making authority to the executive branch
So they gave the war making authority article one section eight for good and sufficient reason to the uh
To the uh, uh legislative branch the people's elected representatives
Who could be held accountable for their bad judgment who could be scorned and reviled by their constituents in the neighborhood
For their bad judgment. So that's who got the war making authority and yet we haven't used that since 1945
And this guy I was telling I was on a you know some neocon radio show
And I think it was in detroit or something and he was so angry at me because he said well
Then that would make all the wars illegal and I go that's exactly right
It makes all those wars illegal
Because they didn't have a declaration of war now you can't you can pretend that you take an oath to the constitution
Just like you know clapper pretends that he will tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
But you gotta make up your mind you're gonna be self-goverting people
You know, I've listened to republicans and democrats too for all of my life having been
You know kind of a political junkie as a kid and being involved in stuff as a very youngster
I've listened to these guys talk about the constitution. You know when they when they go to a convention
They have a fundraiser. They go to a dinner. They have a crowd at the park
They are you know, love the constitution and so on but when it comes to actually upholding that they don't do it
So but the the problem is not that liars will be liars
Not that corrupt people will be corrupt. The problem is the people of normal
Average integrity don't hold them accountable. So by that
I mean you you have joined the liars crew
You're now one of the mermigans. You're one of the
One of the hangers on if the constitution says and you know it that only
Only the people's elected representatives can declare war and you excuse the executive for declaring war on his own
You say well, it's all right because it's you know, smokey gun for a mushroom cloud. It's uh,
Nicholas madura he and chavez. We're both very bad people. It's this it's that it's a
Benjamin net and ye who says we got to do it today
Whatever it is if you don't insist and the guy gives me this thing about well
You know we you know, this is this is an important thing, you know, and we're not going to have to you know
Tolerate threats to our country and wait for the the elected official and said look
Everybody knew we were going to war in Iran. We spent weeks shipping a big armada over there
Everybody knew what was coming. You mean that people in the in in congress couldn't take a day or two days to debate it
You know they in we were attacked in pearl harbor on december 7th and december 8th even with
It's inferior transportation and longer travel slower travel. They had a declaration award in uh on december 8th
That's not to say nobody ever has ever said reasonably ever said, you know, you can't you don't have a right of
Of hot pursuit, you know, you see the crime going on. You got to do something immediately
That's one thing nobody said you got to have a declaration of war
You know when they steal your boat the club well or something like that
You know, that's that's a different circumstance, but we had plenty of time
We've always had ample time to declare our wars and it's not just a useless exercise. Here's what it does
When you declare or go back and look at the declarations of war against germany and japan go back and look at old declarations of war
They generally spell out, okay
Who is the enemy?
What is the reason for this war? What are the resources we devote to fighting it? How will you know when it's over?
How will you know when you've won because you've spelled out all those things in the current war in rand? We have none of those things
We have we have none of those things. We're not sure who the enemy is. Oh, it's the isla to iatola
Okay, you replace the iatola. You got another iatola. We're not sure we're not sure the resources
You know president trump tells us that you know
On on august 11th. He said like in 13 seconds. He said seven or eight times that we've won
So why are they coming back for we spend a trillion dollars a year on the war machine?
Why are they coming back now for another 200 billion dollar supplemental appropriation if we've already won?
We haven't spelled it out in a declaration of war. Who is the enemy?
When you declare who the enemy is everybody
domestically people know that
Everybody knows that rendering aid and comfort to the enemy is uh, you know
It's very dangerous statutes say that that could be punishable by death
So you want to be aware who the enemies?
But the president doesn't get to if we're free if we're free people if we're self governing people if
The governing classes work for us if there are employees
The president doesn't just get to wake up in the morning and say i'm pissed at bolivia
Or I hate greenland and today they're the enemy it doesn't work that way
So if you're doing business with bolivia or with greenland
You should be able to go right ahead doing business with bolivia or greenland
Rendering aid and comfort to bolivia or greenland or whoever it may be
Because there is no declaration of war and how can you be aiding and comforting the enemy when nobody has declared an enemy?
The president doesn't get to do it because he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, but the people
the people
Who tolerate to this knowing full well nobody needs to tell most people that congress gets to declare war?
I've repeated it all my life others have to it's you know anybody
It's taking a high school class and constitution should be able to look it up
If you get a pocket constitution who declares war all of the congress declares war
But the presidents keep declaring wars and they always turn out badly they turn out like a vietnam
They turn out like a korea, which is a war that never ended really they turn out like uh like uh iraq
syria
They turn out like libya. They turn out like this mess in ukraine
All because we've never had a declaration of war. We've never had a clear view
Nobody can answer the questions that a declaration would answer. What who's the enemy?
What is the reason? What are the resources? How do we know when we run they do it?
So you say it turns out badly, but for whom? I mean they they do it for a reason
What why my my little penis is bigger than yours? I mean what might be with trump? I mean what why?
Well, here's the problem. I already mentioned like racy unstock. You just go look at it
They make tomahawk bristles. They're doing great. So the merchants of death always do great
That's why they aren't both sides of many many conflicts
That's why you know the biggest game is that we sell the weapons to third world countries and dictators around the world
And yet they don't have the money to pay for them. So we have a term in there that the american taxpayer will pay for the weapons
That they default or can't pay
So the so that's that is part of it
But you know, I would I was asked this a lot of times during the iraq war. Well, who's behind it?
Who wants the war? Well, it was a harmonic convergence
Look car robe as we already mentioned, you know, he wanted to win the mid-term elections
He wanted bush to be able to get elected re-elected in
In that 2004 it was good for the president because you know, you busy busy giddy minds the shakespeare said busy giddy minds with
Uh with needless wars
So it was good for them. It was good for the pentagon
There were people in the pentagon that wanted the war because the pentagon was more about if you don't have a war
how do you advance if you're a you know if you're a
A colonel, how do you become a general? You've got to have movement
You got to have you know, chewing up people moving up the ranks. You got to have a bigger budget
You got to have things growing if you're gonna move
So I want to shift
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's good for the it's good for the media
We talked about that it spikes their ratings. It spikes revenues. It's the it's the uh, it's the narcotic of fear
So it's good for them. I saw guys on tv Ernie during that period the guys like laurence cutlow
He's everywhere as a financial guy on financial talk tv's laurence cutlow says well
Whatever you say, it'll be good for the stock market. Oh, it'll be good for the stock market
Then there were the people say, oh, it'll be good for israel. We want israel
It'll be good for israel
So all of these people and all of these interests come together
And of course there are the combat mv is afflicted. They want it because it's exciting
There are chest bumpers. There are you know chest beaters that like war because it's
It's interesting they
War holy word
God how I love it said pat
so
There are all these people with all kinds of different motives and uh
And the only way you can turn it around in my view and I'm sorry I interrupted you to finish the point
But is you know, it's at the level of the individual one individual waking in at the time and it's never satisfied anybody
well, this is the
Right here is the shift that I wanted to make
Towards the result and what we remember and what we would do is
You've been very
Attentive to the economy precious metals gold. I mean you and ron paul have a lot of
The u.s. Dollar dollar
so, um
economically
Just has to have an impact of course it has we have our debt
We have you know the interest on the debt we have who has the debt
Who's going to pay the debt who's not going to pay the debt how they're going to threaten with the debt to iras
You know, they them to go to the stable coins crypto doing whatever
How do you see this affecting us?
It already has it's baked in the cake. What's coming?
Okay, what can we expect?
It's it's a special kind of issue for me and one that I watch
A lot I write about a lot
Um, this is the big one
You know, we've talked about this, you know, all the you know gold's gonna go up
But this is the big one. It's much bigger than the price of gold and the price of silver
This is this is the big one you see two things going on and they're not separate
They're conjoined at the hip and one is the world fleeing already long before the iran war already beginning to flee from the
U.S. Dollar standard and you see that as they've tried to create other payment systems that bypass our payment system as they
Create new currency agreements
They keep saying it's not happening
die lot. Yeah, it's happening bilateral deals between, you know, uh
pakistan and china or whatever they'll trade in this or russia and china
all of these deals not to mention
The uh clamor for the central banks of the world to start adding gold to their reserves
And replacing the dollar. I'll I'll give you one because I follow this closely. It wasn't so many years ago. Look
When the united states spends money at this level
That only takes in money at this lower level
They've got to fill the gap and there are a couple of ways that most, you know
I guess honorable you could call it
Way to fill the gap is to you know, it's to borrow the money. So
Um, when they borrow the money, they sell bonds
They sell us treasury bonds and the bond says, you know, you give us like let's say a hundred thousand dollar bond
You give the government you give washington a hundred thousand dollars and they'll give you this bond this fancy piece of paper
It's actually not paper. It's just digital now, but you get the idea
We'll give this bond that says we'll pay you back in 30 years or we'll pay you back in 20 years or 10 years
We'll pay you back at uh with an interest rate of four percent
over the course of uh of 20 years or 10 years or whatever the term of the bond is
And so we're they're loaning us money and we promise to pay them back. So it was only a few years
Yeah, china had loaned the united states the us treasury. They had purchased us treasury bonds
In other words loaned money to america to washington almost
Over 1.3 trillion dollars. I think it was almost 1.4 trillion dollars. They were our creditors
They were loaning money to us. We're the biggest spender in the world
We're the biggest debtor in the world
We have to borrow a lot of money to keep the game going and they were willing to loan us money
And so they loaned us 1.3 trillion dollars or more more than that and yet
Everybody around the world understands now that we can't pay it back
We simply we simply can't pay it back not by any alonist
Open uh open means is that's too big. We can't pay it back
So they've started backing away and so instead of still loaning us 1.4 million dollars
They've started redeeming those bonds when they come do and not not rolling them over not buying new treasury instruments
So now they're down to half that they're down like 6.7
100 billion they're down from 1.3 1.4 trillion to half that 6.7
Billion dollars they're backing away and as those bonds come do they'll back away from those they're backing away
Because they know what our ultimate end game is is if we can't borrow the money
first of all if
If we want to borrow the money
And people don't want to loan it to us. How do we get them to do it?
Well, they have to raise the interest rate and interest rates are going
Crazy in the last couple weeks. They're climbing climbing climbing
And uh, so we have to pay more and more and more because people know, you know, we're going to cheat
We're going to print money. We're going to inflate the currency
We're going to cheat them
So they start asking for a premium an interest rate premium over uh over the inflation rate
So if the inflation rates three percent then they want six percent
So we have to keep raising the offer the amount of money that we offer to pay them and that runs up the deficit
We have to pay more interest every year more more interest
so and and uh this stuff keeps going and it's it's at the end game stage right now
We have a visible national debt of 39 trillion dollars
We've run up just since trump was inaugurated
In january last year just in that time. We've run up another 2.7 or eight
trillion dollars in debt in just a little over a year
And so the game can't go on but here's what's happening
You're gonna you're gonna get you know with this war you get a slowdown in the economy
That's a stagnant economy. That's the stagnant part of the portman 2 term
Stagflation an economy that doesn't grow now you have greater debt debt demand than ever
And yet the economy isn't growing it's not throwing off the resources
It's not generating the wealth to meet the debt demand and at the same time
You have the other half of the portman 2 stagflation the inflation side prices are going up and up and up
So now the american people are are caught between this thing that you know higher and higher prices
lower and fewer and fewer opportunities less and less earnings less and less opportunities your business sells less your uh
Your uh, you sell fewer cars. You have fewer customers no matter what your business is and uh, you have the price of things keeps climbing
Ernie this has already started now and what we've talked about this for years. It was going to come back around
Stagflation was the order of business in the 1970s
It was even called the stagflation decade and it ran gold to the moon because the economy was more abundant. It was basically dead
Uh, it would have a heavy burden and uh inflation rate kept going up and up
Here's what we just found out a couple of weeks ago the producer price index
Uh for uh, the month of february
Was up 0.07 0.7 percent. So if you annualize that this is the producer price index
That's on its way. I like to describe it as you know, it's on its way in a month or two to be in consumer prices
That if you annualize what happened in february, that's eight percent inflation
eight percent
So in the meantime, how about the productivity of the country the gross domestic product the gdp?
It's a weak measure, but it's the only one that people rely on
So for the last quarter of last year, they just revised it down
They had called for it. They said that it shows annual growth for the year 2025
The quarterly growth showed annual growth of 1.4 percent
They just cut that finding in half to 0.7 percent
Growth is collapsing and it will continue to collapse with higher oil prices
It will continue to uh, I mean
You know airlines are going to be fine as many flights people aren't going to be going on vacations people aren't
Taking as you know taking as many trips
American households are I think already up for out $400 a month with the new prices of energy just since the start of this war
We're not going to have access prices are going up. The productivity of the nation is uh, sliding people companies are pulling in their horns
Um, canceling the airlines are canceling flights
Um hotels and tourist venues are understanding. They're not going to have the traffic
They expected earnings are down everywhere
Unless you're a war maker if you're a racy on maybe they're not
But that's what's headed our way. It is starting to appear right now. It is a very very grim situation
And the truth is it's much more grim than the double digit inflation
And the double digit interest rates that we saw in the 1970s
It's much more serious now the damage, you know, everybody everybody looks at
You know at the energy prices. Well, it's not just energy
It shows up first in energy and then it shows up in food, you know
All the farmers are planting now, but they can't afford the fertilizer
You know kinks in the pilot lines and stuff like that
It's much bigger than it was in the in the 1970s much much bigger
And it's just starting to become apparent and it can't be fixed. This is what I want everybody to understand
Trump if trump by some magical act of being the best negotiator in the world
Yeah
We're to get the straight-up or moves open again. Suppose you did by agreement or by military force straight-up or
It's not going to fix the problem. We have crushed supply lines that are years
Decades in the making we have
This war has ushered in the smashing of storage facilities refining facilities
pumping facilities
Recovery facilities transportation facilities docks for transportation pipeline
It's done huge damage that will take years to replace and I want to give your listeners one great example
From trump's history. It's one I followed at the time. I quit watching that and I looked it up the other day
And yes, it's still the same dilapidated condition. It was in
The chinese like pork if you go to chinese restaurant, you know, there's all kinds of pork dishes under the chinese in china
They eat a lot of pork and they need feed for it. So they need soybean. They like soybean feed
It's a affordable sort of feed for the pork that they raise in china
So for a very long time they have been buying soybeans from american farmers
And it's been good for american farmers and american farmers, you know, we're planting
You know huge crops rows after row after row of soybeans and almost shipped to china and everybody was happy with the deal
And then in the first administration trump started, you know, building his his tariff sort around and all of a sudden
The chinese couldn't buy the soybeans from america because they were too costly because of the tariffs that we put on them
And so they turned elsewhere
So these supply lines take years to build
But they also can be replaced and so immediately people in south america farming
Interest in south america transportation and interest in south america said we'll fill the gap
We can grow soybeans. Maybe we can even undercut the americans if we get up the speed
So they started clearing land and planting soybeans and then they started, you know, making roads for transportation to the docks and then
Getting you know ships that could take it to china and stuff and they built all of this infrastructure
And americans just kept losing share and losing share and losing share of the soybean market
It wasn't very good for the farmers, but it was very good for uh for our competitors around the world
So china got the soybeans that wanted our competitors got the crops and uh and yet the farmers lost their market
so then
trump, you know starts hearing the farm
You know the farm interests squawking about it. So we adjust the uh tariffs
So i don't know if they're less severe or eliminate i doubt they're eliminated
But they're less severe to make american farmers competitive again in china
But guess what the market share has already been lost and now you've got another low-cost producer
So i looked it up after you know after following it back during the first trump term
I looked up the americans have never in all these years been able to reestablish their market share of of soybeans
And to make it worse
This is how government, uh works because the farmers were squawking
About the damage that our government had done to them and to their market share of their prosperity
Because they started squawking and complaining to their congressman the trump administration said oh
We've got to come up with billions of dollars to bail out the farmers
So the administration hammered their market share and they haven't recovered it and uh, they've lost
market share permanently in my guess
And yet then we had to provide another bail out for them in the form of a giveaway because you don't want the farmers
Mad at the elected officials or they might not vote for them. This is how the game works
But this one this one is uh is is so much worse
So much damage that has been done. So i i described look
It's not just what we talked about the end of the global dollar standard unfolding in time in an accelerated pace
We're we're losing that that was in process
But now as a corollary of that it's not just the dollar the corollary of that is the global
American military empire is in a state of collapse
You know all all those gulf
Monarchies and stuff that thought that you know, they were buying the protection of
America found out that they weren't getting the protection of america all of these relationships are changing
they're changing in ways that
That will help this member of the global american military empire at the same time it
It hurts our our currency the value of our currency
Look that and here's what the politicians do and it's a syndrome that's widely known and it's called
Well, it's not known to me. I can't remember the name of it, but but it's called
It's a syndrome when the
Imperial overstretch when the empire stretches too far and they start seeing exactly what we're seeing now
They see that there are competitors in the world that weren't there 50 years ago more competitors
Competitors military competitors look at what purge has done so far and stretching this thing out for three weeks
There are other competitors. They're competitors against the dollar. There's gold. There are bricks. There are other payment systems
They're competitors and the geniuses in washington the governing classes of america look at this new
challenge to their global hegemony
Not as a result of their failing economic might because it is the the economic might that provided for
The empire's military might it's not just that the their military might is fading
It's because their underlying meek economic might is is gone their manufacturing base is gone
They've inflated the people to a sense of destitution
They've regulated the economy to a moribund state
But they look at the challenge to their global hegemony their dominance of the globe
And they read it not as a challenge to their prosperity. They read it as a military challenge
And so they divert still more
otherwise productive money
To the military
And so it accelerates the imperial over stretch and this is how empires die and it's going on right before our very eyes
So it's going to it's going to start getting critical this summer
I think by the fall everybody will be screaming and squawking
Of course the congress republicans the president wants critical this summer. What way to find that
Well, you go to the grocery store
Let me see it. The prices are rising so fast
People are already talking about having to cut back. They can't afford the groceries. They once did
Used to like to have a steak. No fuel man. Donna has this big
Diesel
It's five dollars and something old damn. Yeah, I mean
44 45 percent how do you like that and that and that's and so it's not just fertilizer
You understand, you know, the farmers run a lot of diesel equipment to provide food to the american people
Well, if it doesn't pay
You know, then they can't run that diesel equipment if the fuel's too
If the fertilizer too too costly if the uh diesel fuel is too costly, we've got to make a decision
You know, you and I started, you know working together on your show was like, um
Oh five six seven round in there and it was the one thing that I remember
Was a consumer price index. They kept changing it. You know, it goes to the core
CPI or what they took food fuel and housing off
There's no inflation. You know just saying, you know, we changed it and I um
I don't know what it is now. I stopped paying attention in the empire of lies. I don't believe the damn thing they say anyway, but the um
How are we how do you?
Gauge what inflation? How do you gauge what stack flation deflation inflation? What I remember you and I
interviewing I had Addison Wiggins on, you know, my show regularly and you know, uh, what was it?
Um
The daily record
well, um, it was Addison Wiggins and
Um, Brenner Brennan. It was um the empire of bill bonner bill bonner bill bonner. And so
You know, so the empire of debt we could see they were talking like, you know, this debt you guys keep talking about
It's more like 80 90 trillion dollars. Well, then later you find out, you know, like, you know, buffett talked about
The weapons of mass destruction or financial weapons or whatever is coming and then you did regger
I remember calling, you know, billionaire
Jim Rogers from all over the world, you know, new york and shanghai or whatever coming on your show
and uh, he was
You know, I tell you when it was and when you wrote your first book the dollar meltdown
You're going Ernie. Uh, do you have all those cds that you recorded all the shows that I'd give you crap about?
Why yes, I do wasn't working
You know, but what you wanted in there was jim rogers made a point in
God like oh five six around in there that
freddy, um
Fannie Mae and freddy mac had stopped
Issuing their reports. They had stopped the reporting. They had stopped
They knew the housing market was going they knew it was a whole bunch of the empire of financial life
And he goes it's over here. It comes. That's just fyi everybody get ready
Grudge your Lord. It's going to be a food thing. I mean, you know, oh, yeah
Now I remember him saying yep the Ferrari drivers are going to be the farmers. Well, yeah
You know, it's and that would be true if it wasn't for the manipulation
Of the governments and the the debt that they put them on and you can't fix your tractor and you got me
It's so bad
I every all of this stuff was predicted
Predicted by me predicted by you predicted by your guest, you know, it's just been here we go
and it seems inevitable and the shows that I do and the people I talk to are generally
How do we survive it? You know, I mean it's coming. It's baked in the cake. It has been for a long time
and all we needed was
The petrodollar to go away. Well, that's happening and I'm going how does that manifest itself?
What do we do now while we still can because they're strip mining the middle class in America?
Why two reasons one?
That's where the money is and two because they can't and I did until they can't
The cannot is win
After they've already done it
After a mushroom cloud is somewhere mushroom nuclear war comply no more try and get another dime out of me
You know after you have nuclear clouds that you were supposed to be preventing
I
Try so this is
I'm
It's unwinding and you know your your book. Um, I was at uh
Red and blue and black all over or no black and blue and red all over, you know
I really resent my publisher because they
They chose that title and I gradually went around along with it and nobody ever ever ever on 150 interviews
Nobody ever got the title right. Maybe one
It's red and blue and broke all over and I think they liked it because you know
They knew I was equally critical of the red party and the blue party
But you know they they were talking about you know red ink and broke
And but it's because both of the parties the red and blue party are making this broke all over
So they liked it. They thought it was very witty and I saw it wasn't my first choice
but I went along with them and and uh
Yeah, yeah, red blue broke all over. Thank you. Nobody. Yeah, it's that over, you know
newspaper right it's
Black and white red all over it was sort of a takeoff on that, you know
So it had all these little strands, but it never really worked
No, it makes more sense now red and blue and broke all over that's good
Yeah, it's I I give some props for that but the point is is that
This has not been
um
Uncovered by you
It was always an economics thing the war morally bad bad bad bad, but what it ends in is economic calamity
And that manifests itself into you know, you go hungry about about you know, you don't have enough
You can't pay your electric bill. You can't pay your gas bill. You can't you can't you can't
And you know donna and I we were poor for the longest time
You know, I devoted everything into this and but during all that time
I kept throwing silver under the bed kept putting it in the nightstand kept doing the only thing I could do
Donna we need more beans. I mean you know that kind of thing
And uh, I'm spending a lot of the time now. It's going to take me another week or two to finish
Built bearing a 20 foot sphere in the ground for a root cellar
That's what I'm working on right now and I should be finishing
You know, uh, one of the prototype dwellings, you know my workshop that did and I go
Nope because we need more food. Where are we going to put it?
In a shipping container gets too hot. So we need that so I you know calculated the
You know the cost benefit analysis and
I need to get to where we can bury, you know the food we get into the cool earth
We have a freezer down there. We got to start stockpiling food
again
So this is what we're doing because I feel it coming
Am I paranoid am I doing the wrong thing charles? What do you think?
Well, it's obviously coming and it's uh, you know fuel and food
It's every aspect. It's every aspect of our lives medical care American life spans will start getting shorter again
As they did a couple of years ago. They started decreasing and stuff because of the cost of medical care
The government can't afford to pay all those things. I mean just can't it's it's wasted. Well, look just since
Between I'd say 2000 and 2022, let's say
the American people's
Wasted ran up debt of on these wars of over eight trillion dollars
And now we have to pay interest on that eight trillion dollars every year because it wasn't like we just spent the money
And then it was over it was just added to the debt. It's eight trillion dollars a lot of money, you know, it
It's eight trillion dollars ten percent would be eight hundred billion five percent would be four hundred billion
It's hundreds of billions of dollars
per year in debt service
So it's going it's going to attract everything. I mean look you see it now the interest rates are high everybody kept praying over the last
Few months for lower interest rates. The feds are going to cut interest rates
Maybe my kids or younger people be able to get a mortgage or have a nice low rate
We're waiting for a fed to cut rates and stuff. They can't cut rates
If they cut rates, it's a desperation. It's the end of the world
Because prices are going to go way way up without cutting rates and if they cut rates anymore
I mean, nobody's gonna know, you know the same old same old story the inflation rates are nine percent and the
Americans are offering you five percent
So if you lend them money, nobody's going to want to do it
Look the foreign governments, they know this money printing game really really well
And they they fleece their own people with that they know how it works
But they are not going to stand around and be fleeced by us in on this city longer
So they you know, they're all kind of willing to have a little, you know
Dollar reserves right now because they can use the dollar reserves in a number of ways
It was always, you know, old pep oil was paid with dollars
Well, they didn't have to have dollars because they could go to the currency markets to convent, you know switch
You know
Euroads to dollars to pay for the oil but but it was a convenience and it was a tradition
You know, I've been going on since the end of world war two or longer
So but all this is breaking down right now. It's breaking down before your very eyes
There's nobody in washington that i'm aware of with the exception of
I mean, it's certainly nobody in the administration that i'm aware of that understands any of this is going on
You know, we're really in deep trouble and yet
You know, tom woods who you know, and I know had a great line the other day started asking some of these questions about something
And he said but wouldn't I ask these questions the you cannot answer me?
It's not legitimate for you to answer me by saying usa usa usa
But he's right that you know, would you start to question the administration your choices and stuff?
That is your answer usa usa usa and it's not a flippant answer
It doesn't answer, you know why we're going pell mail down this road
So my job is I figure, you know, I mean I want to wake people up individual by individual and and
Yet i'm standing here with a new book out and what i've done for a long time, you know, you're
We're racing 80 miles an hour down the road. I've been ahead. I went
Down the road ahead of us. I went around the curve that you can't see because that's what I do
I went around the curve and I saw that there's a bridge washed out there
So I come back, you know down the road and I see your you know spin them down the road 80 miles an hour
And I kind of wave you down. I go, you know, hey, you might want to slow down. There's a bridge out
Oh, do you you must have you must have been hate america hate america first
But my answer to you is usa usa usa. Okay, go ahead 80 miles an hour go around the curve see what happens
So that's where we are. It's a thankless flippant job
But somebody's got to do it. Okay before you go, let's talk about the the beginnings of the book
You know this you started this you know, hell your entire career paying attention all these lies
But um to put them into a book
And I know you started it earlier
But now is the perfect time to come out with this. I mean, Venezuela and Iran. Oh my god, man
This isn't on repeat. So, um
Give me the the the chronology of you putting this together
Having it sit there and then well
Yeah, we just got to polish up the last chapter here. Of course that get her done get her done because here it comes
You know, tell me about the formulation of this book while you're writing all your others
Uh, a lot of this stuff you and I lived through, you know, so I the actual publishing of the book itself
And how is it doing? I mean you're you know, I I I wanted to have you on right away
But I go man, I I need to read it, you know, and I haven't finished it
But I did you know started been really busy and I'm just going yeah, I remember this
I remember this I remember this and it gets to where it's a tool for those of us that
um
And I'm trying to get you out james corbett corbett
I've had to make sure you talked to the charles on this because I mean damn this is everything that we
We've known you cover that we cover that and I I want to get the chronology
Of the book itself and what finally convinced you and others that now is the time what was it?
Well, I hope I hope your listeners and viewers are interested in this because it's a kind of a winding road
I don't know. I think it's I think it's my fate, you know the dollar meltdown
You can see one right behind me over this shoulder the yellow book there the dollar meltdown on this shoulder
Of this one now this one
So so I wrote the core chapters three of the core chapters of that
Years before I wrote the book. I said well, these are essential principles
I'm gonna write these three chapters that are in the middle of the book and uh
Then when it was it was time to write the book
I had these three core chapters and I fold them in I had to update them a little bit
But the basic information and I don't know why you know when I wanted to write it
I had to wait for years before it would be palatable with people
It would have done a lot of people a lot of good if I could have gotten it out a lot
Earlier and been very profitable even more so and and it was profitable for people
I hear about it all the time
But it would have been even more so if I got but I you know for some reason I have so with this book the empire of lies
I actually
Wrote the core concepts of this
Back in I'm gonna tell you probably 2017
And
I trotted it around a little bit. I had an agent that you know
Didn't buy any of this, you know stuff. He's kind of a liberal guy
You know, you just thought you know, you can't say this about america. You're doing it wrong. Yeah
Yeah, so okay, so but I tried it around a little bit and uh, you know, even even the places that you would think would be
Uh
Ameanable to a book like that, you know, we're like, well, you know, it's you know, they basically didn't buy the idea
Until until after trump became elected and they started talking about you know
People started talking openly about their lives of the iraq war
So
Anyway, I started writing and I put Ernie. I actually put the core ideas
You know, I had like a couple of chapters that needed to be you know filled in and I had an outline and where I wanted to go
So I had all that as far back as 2017
I guess and I couldn't get it published so I thought well, you know what I'll do
I'll just write it as a screenplay
Because if people think this is you know, this is unacceptable. This is not possible. This is, you know, none of this stuff could possibly be true
Um, I'll write it as a screenplay. I'll make it a motion picture
And so I did and I used I mean it's a truth-based. It's a reality-based motion picture script and uh
You know, I got some I got some pretty good nibbles on it and I got
You know, I won some I don't know, uh
Honors I guess or you know, uh finalist awards and screenplay competitions
But when I turned it into the screenplay form a few years ago
So I'd spent enough time doing that I didn't want to fool with that anymore and then finally
About a year ago. I thought my god. It's now or never. I've got to get this book out there
So I just went furiously to work on it and I brought everything up to date
And I added the new stuff that had happened subsequently and I got rid of the old stuff that would be
You know too old for people to really care about today to to the young people wouldn't really know about me
You know, like I didn't want it to be a history book
So, uh, I got rid of some of that stuff and I folded in the new stuff and uh
And was able to provide a trajectory of where all of this lands how all this goes and
And so our mutual friend scott horton from the libertarian institute
Uh
Is publishing and publish his books through the libertarian institute his institute and they've done great his book revoked
You know how uh, you know, we got into the ukraine war how the united states and the deep state and
You know, the washington establishment provoked, uh
The uh the the war in ukraine has done fabulously
And he has a couple of other books brighter than the sun about nuclear weapons enough already about the war on terror
It's called enough already great books. Scott has a mind like an encyclopedia. He remembers everything. You can't name, you know, a third ranking
Foreign official in some syrian or iraqi government 30 years ago that he doesn't know the guy's story
So anyway, so I I said, why don't you guys publish this? He goes, yeah, we'll publish that
So I took it to him and he brought it out here at the end of the year first of this year
and uh
And I'm really happy and so now I'm going back into public debate again. I mean I've been doing you know, I'm writing stuff for uh
Current consumption. I have I still write about the economy for private clients
But uh, I'm writing some pieces about the war in the state of the country
And so on for the libertarian institute and I'm writing
Writing some other stuff and I'm doing some, you know
Well, do you have a sub stack?
No, but
Slacker, you know, I don't yeah, I don't I don't really you know
I'm spread I'm spread pretty thin but anyway
And now so I've signed on to the libertarian institute and they
Highlight my work and they've named me executive editor too. So really very cool
So it creates a little a little bit of a visibility for me and for my book and my work and stuff
You know, Scott Burton
Is a you know goes brings back memories as well because
um
Scott was you know
admitted he's the skateboarder from austin texas kind of guy
I remember he and I met when I went to uh crofford texas when we were in air america
I was covering on the boots on the ground kind of thing with the protest against baby bush and the war and that
It was the polo co six campaign of here comes obama
You go high enough up on the pyramid and you find it's an all-seeing move on
Left-right side of everything control and everybody cindy she had stuff camp kc scott was there
You know with me alex jones and so on and
We were the only ones that understood what was going on
You know you'd have on and then of course the bad guys doing it knew what was going on
but it's all theater
And our coverage during that time was so and used to have scott on a lot because he of course talked about
You know 9 11 talked about war then he became anti-war radio
You know on anti-war com and then eventually him and uh will greg started the libertarian institute and then will pass away
And uh scott would not let it go well what happened is now he's the expert on all things middle east war
You know be it, you know, afghanistan iraq ran yemen whatever and early he is an expert my gosh
I I mean anybody that has to debate him is just he kicks their ass
It's amazing
I remember he was on with some neocom whatever on lex freedman
And he would not let him say one freaking lie without interrupting you lying sack of snot
Well like freeman had him on again
at for 10 hours
10 hours of downloading scott. He goes, you know, we we don't need anybody else
We just let you download and it was amazing
So our friend scott is the man and I I got to see him
At ronpo's birthday party this last august. We got to hang but the um it has been
A lot of great people that we've introduced to the public
That you know that you've read that you participate that you debate in
With this book coming out
um, are you seeing another round of charles go yet coming out and are they trying to
Diminish your importance trying to shadow ban you trying to whatever because they do not want charles go yet out there
Giving them what fur I can tell you that you know, so as a longtime friend, you know better than than uh
Anybody I pretty much took myself out of the public debate a few years ago someday
I'll recount the story why I just didn't want to do it anymore
Had an experience. So it was just like I can't believe this
Is this I'm involved in this debate and these are the terms and the levels at which it's going to be conducted and stuff
And the people you're debating
Yeah, well, yeah, it wasn't yeah, it was just I don't want to recount it because I still haven't assimilated
But I I said that's it
You know, if this is the if this is how this uh american future is going to be decided that debates or discussions or
Presentations of material at this level, you know, I'm not I'm not in for it anymore
It was just so they have descended as such an imbecility
I think it's you know, the level of debate has risen now again
And anyway, so I put myself back in it. I've I've just opened myself up. I don't know really
You know what I'm what I'm gonna do
But you know where I I used to have a lot of opportunities coming my way and you know shows and
Things that people wanted to do and stuff and I just you know swept it all aside
And uh, you know, I got offered a national radio commentary and I just I didn't want to do it anymore
I just couldn't stand it anymore
and uh, so, you know, I've kind of gotten gotten over the
You know the kind of depressive effect of how bad it was at the time and it's a little better now
So I'm putting I'm so I'm just opening myself up and I you know something interesting to come along and
You know, and I'll do that and and things interesting
I got a feeler from somebody the other day about something and you know, scott was good enough to put me on as
executive editor of the Libertarian Institute
So, you know, it's opened some doors for me being out again in it. So I'm riding with the tide go with the flow
I'm gonna get a Charles Goyette AI. I want to go to be Charles Goyette AI on Friems Phoenix
Charles said, you know, this is it's been great to get caught up with you Charles
I I'm I'm so glad that you're back in the fray because it it is so
Rare, I mean, it's not as rare
I'm available great minds that we can you know glean information from like I have Karen Katowski on quite a bit
You know, that's one thing before you go and tell this story
When you were doing
You know kind of not for
Hookline and sinker or support the troops, uh, baby bushes
Iraq war kind of, you know, and they were explaining it to you, you know
There was you'd have your own secretary of defense or whatever, you know, Colonel Hackworth that had his own
Website that he was a very popular
Vietnam era guy that you know, he's you know, the soldier's
officer kind of thing and
Karen Katowski was a lieutenant colonel in the Pentagon
with
Cheney and Rumsfeld walking right by her and she's writing for his site
And of course they're looking for a guy couldn't possibly, you know, misogynist
You know, it could possibly a woman that's beating the crap out of us and it wasn't even really a secret
You know, she was publishing this stuff saying what the hell are these people
And it was and we just had her on here recently, but the last couple weeks, but the um
Her
Colonel Hackworth the information that you were sharing was why they were targeting you and I'm I'm wondering
You know
Are there any others like that now even back then you were able to find the dissenters
Who do you think the dissenters are now?
I don't know. I mean, uh, you know, and I'm not entirely agree with all the dissenters on everything
I still maintain my point of view, but I mean I
I just I posted a
Congratulatory thing to Joe Kent when he came out of the closet
I've been waiting for Tulsi Gabbard to do the same and I know I know the syndrome. I know what you know to try to excuse them
I don't know if it's right, but you know, sometimes they think well, I'm inside and I have some authority and maybe
You know, I can use that to steer away from the madness and you know, be some help
In that way, you know, I think it's more helpful if she makes a dramatic statement and
Resigns, but there are there, you know, there are a lot of people and you can see come out and you can find them
Karen
Karen was wonderful and I used to get her on the air all the time back during that time
you know, I thought I've heard the other day when
Tucker Carlson said, you know the
The top brass the IDF brass from Israel make themselves at home that
At the Pentagon, you know, they just walk right in they don't have to sign in
They do what they want the bar quarters and stuff and people say no, they don't know they don't that's impossible. You must be anti
Israeli anti Jewish anti Zionist to say that because it's not true yet. I have a long memory
I'm not mistaken Karen Kukowski was telling me about how they were doing that in the office of special plans
under uh, Douglas fife and uh
Paul Wolfowitz and stuff that they just had to run of a place
And uh, you know show ID. Huh, don't you understand?
So, I mean there's precedent for this and so I find it very easy to believe that it's still going on
Anyway, she was wonderful, but there are people out there. I'm sure you have them on too
and uh, you know, it's
You know, those people a special
Special badge of courage and place in heaven for people like that that are willing to tell the truth
And for charles go yeah
You know, I I'm I'm so glad
He's back, you know, and they they then those have no idea what that means
And whatever a service I can be and we're we're launching, um
Wednesday night, you know, I think uh, james corbert and I are going to go ahead and launch
Launch libertas dot earth, which is you know, the philosophy of liberty animation
We got 50-something languages and you know about that and you're supportive, but the um
um, that's kind of my
Contribution along with your book and things like that. It's just um
the solution
Is with us. It's as individuals the centralization of power and authority and and decision making
Down to the individual that's always in brother amen
That's kind of been our and this whole I do the it's really it's been 10 years
We're doing the trump report once a week with dr. Frank tambourine
And I'm really tired of the discussion
It it it's still it's like the argument over
Do you
Pick someone to delegate your authority to to rule you
And I'm like, well, there's the first problem right there, you know
And well, you gotta have because we gotta can't have nice things if you don't have somebody
You know go in the war for you, you know, or I just this is it's so gone so bad the only solution, you know, my
Presentations we traveling, you know the country the world speaking on different things. It's always been about
Reclaiming your sovereignty as an individual that you own yourself that you
Take responsibility for educating your children the food that goes in your bodies the purity of the the water
The air god knows what the hell they're doing with that, but you know, it's um
It's coming it's here. It's like some most
Biblical. Oh, here's one thing to end on
In the late 70s early 80s, I remember I for whatever reason I was prompted encouraged to read
The late great planet earth by hal Lindsey and it was about, you know revelation and the coming
You know, whatever we gotta, you know, take down the dorm of the rock muslim temple rebuild the temple
Get a red heifer to whatever the antichrist got blah blah blah blah
And you can see them. It's like they're checking off boxes
It's not so much that it's that it's
Preordained as much as they're ordained at it. I mean, you know, they want to they're using the bible
As a deed to the land when you you do any amount of research we're going to be doing this thursday a thing on this
and i'm just um
They're using the
Book of revelation as a script
To justify whatever the hell is coming. Whatever we got to do
We're gonna we're gonna make sure there's an arm again kind of thing
And I can see it that this was
Uh, something that kind of sparked interest in whatever and it seems less of prophecy and more of a movie script
What what's your opinion?
Yeah, well people are using stuff like that to further their political aims. I don't think
I don't think it's a legitimate and I
I think uh
There are a lot of people manipulating a lot of things to prevail
in their earthly designs
for uh, earthly kingdom that they control and
um
I'm not a part of it. Not interested, you know
Well the lies uncovering, you know the secrets and exposing the lies empire of lies
This has been you know, charles and I have been on the same page on this
Thank you for spending this extra time with me. I got well almost two and a half hours
Adia, you know
I was hoping that we would be able to just have a conversation. You guys get reintroduced to charles goyette
Because he's going to be a voice in this and in this this wilderness of bullshit
You know, who do you have that knows?
You know what what's happened?
I mean he he was in the army during vietnam
he would you know
He was a journalist then
He owned his own station became a very popular talk show host at you know a few stations here
And then he's on the clear channel version between
Sean Hannity and rush limbaugh or was rush limbaugh than Sean Hannity between there was charles goyette
with logic and reason freedom oriented constitutional libertarian whatever the heck and they them those
Did not like it in spite of being number one
overwhelmingly bright future
On their stations
And they think they did the Tucker but on a much bigger scale, you know, he was number one on box
Same thing. They did the Tucker, you know, I'm a microcosm compared to him
But they'll sacrifice the number one spot in an instant
So somebody goes off the reservation. Yeah
And we and we experienced it here in arizona with the arizona republic newspaper getting bought up by gannett and doing the
Been there done that and my whole thing was election fraud in
maricopa county arizona
Gee neon. I freaking told you so so this is a prize
I know
You're never a prophet in your own land, man
I mean, it's just but we have been proven to be right and what satisfaction do we get out of that?
Not a bit
Only if things change in response. That's the only satisfaction and they haven't right. I mean, we need that we need to have
You know, uh, this chronology
In the empire of lies. So you understand
That you're always being lied to
I mean, it's like constant. It's like this is another comment. I wanted you to comment on before we go
Politicians and politicos you catch them on stuff and you know, uh, you ask them a question
Even if the truth
Would benefit them more
They still lie
It's like default
I know something you don't well the truth when it helps giving you a softball. Nope
They lie
What pathology is that what why do they do that? You know what I'm talking about
Sure, I do
You know what it's a pathological pathology. It's just pathological
There there's something wrong with these people
Literally and I didn't understand it until I don't know the god five years ago
It wasn't very long ago when we started studying sociopathy and I'm just like they're psychopaths
Well psychopaths sociopaths. What the hell does that even mean?
They do not have the capacity
To empathize with someone and they don't have shame or guilt and they just
don't
care
Because a lot of times they're incapable of caring
They just want what they want because they want it and they're willing to do
Any and everything to get it. They're willing to lie. They're willing to cheat
They have an empire of lies
They're willing to kill
They're willing to go so far as to kill
Innocent people who are not in the way of their plans
They're a little damn hopes and they're willing to kill them
In the pursuit of their own their own private objectives. They're willing to kill people wholesale wide scale
And and you have to support that what you want to see more of
We need more charles charles go ahead has been doing this
for decades
Decades he has proved himself decades. They took him to the cliff the mountain overlooked and this all
Could be yours charles if you would only
And he goes now i'm good, you know
What i've been through this when they tried, you know, it was there, you know, um, the new guy took over from francis at
Kfnx where we were at and they were you know, one of the sign, you know, give me a better contract before I
You know, I said now i'm good. I left and got replaced and I started working with you but the um
What they did is they wanted me to sign a contract, but it gave them ownership of all my archive
And i'm gonna hold hell no because there was a bunch of archives they wanted and i'm going no not gonna well
You're gonna be
You know come
Sorry when you don't have that microphone. I think I give a crap, but i'm for saving humanity man
I'm gonna shit about this microphone. So this is you know, I got children and grandchildren. They don't understand that
charles understands he was offered the world
national
recognition
national guess he had on constantly he was right there and they
presented it to him if only
and he didn't
props man props and i'm telling you
This is now charles's time that we need to support him
go
by the book
at a principle
Because you want to support that you want to see more of
more charles going yet
for me and for you
Thank you. Ernie. Thank you for having me on. It's uh, it's available only at amazon.com amazon.com. It's called empire of lies
Fragments from the memory hole. There are several books out there by the way with the name empire of lies
This is empire of lies fragments from the memory hole. This is the one about the real world
There are like spy stories that use that title and so on but this is the real world empire of lies fragments from the memory hole
That's the book cover and it's unmistakable when you see it
You'll know it's the empire of lies about the real world. Thank you. Ernie. This this is the beginning
Of a resurrection of charles's input sooner or later. They have to have
charles
Coming to give them any credibility of anybody that's doing a dissection of what the shit is going on
You know
Charles knows from the beginning been there done that
Talked to the principles know to the point that he was targeted heavily
And he wrote the article
How to lose your job and talk right?
He knew it was coming and that's where you know and my role was I was on you know the other stage
I brought charles over i'm like you get your ass over you stay on the air
Well, they're not going to be able to pow give a shit get your butt over here
Keep no we need this. Well, I'm doing the same thing charles. We need this you keep your butt out there, man
And I'll do what I can to help
Peace brother. Thanks for coming on. It's been great to catch up. I'm glad you and alley. You're doing well
Things are good in tennessee
All good likes good
Now he moved from arizona to tennessee
You know my daughter and son a lot of they almost picked tennessee
I think they are picking oklahoma donna is that they have been traveling around looking for where to light and they want the
Rolling hills of whatever so
This is we're going to lose one of our family members from arizona dammit
You know you're bringing them grandbabies back, but this has been a great interview
I'm glad people got that reintroduced to you
I look forward to seeing more of charles go yet empire of lies going amazon empire of lies
Fragments from the memory hole and that's what it looks like right there go get some
Charles thank you very much for coming on. It's always good talking brother
Good to catch up with you early and thank you for having me on say hi to donna. You bet. Bye. Bye. Okay. Bye, bud