WEBVTT 00:04.780 --> 00:12.920 It's time for declare your independence with Ernest Hancock believe me when I say we have a 00:12.920 --> 00:21.220 Difficult time ahead of us, but if we are to be prepared for it. We must first shed our fear of it 00:21.960 --> 00:26.280 I stand here without fear because I remember 00:27.040 --> 00:34.180 I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me, but because of the path that lies behind me 00:35.160 --> 00:39.540 I remember that for 100 years we have fought these machines and 00:40.400 --> 00:45.560 After a century of war, I remember that which matters most 00:46.460 --> 00:48.080 We are still here 00:53.330 --> 00:55.450 Let's make them remember 00:55.450 --> 01:23.890 Very nice very nice now. It's unseasonably hot, but you know, it's very nice 01:23.890 --> 01:30.380 What we're going to do this morning is we're going to talk to Charles Goyette an old and very good friend and 01:31.090 --> 01:31.950 this is 01:32.490 --> 01:39.590 How I got this at least stay in radio. Donna's like now get a job get a real job 01:40.130 --> 01:45.550 But well Charles Goyette, you know needs a producer to do it. Okay. That's okay 01:45.550 --> 01:49.210 You do that, you know, she was his favorite talk show host 01:49.210 --> 01:56.110 I mean, you know, I'm way down on the list, but you know, Charles Goyette has had such a great reputation 01:56.110 --> 02:02.430 His entire career here in Arizona very well known very well respected 02:02.430 --> 02:06.130 Very well informed with a garage full of books 02:06.130 --> 02:10.950 He I mean he actually read all the books of the people that came on and 02:10.950 --> 02:13.290 Grilled a crap out of them. It was awesome 02:13.930 --> 02:16.510 The problem was he was at they wore 02:17.170 --> 02:18.390 you have the 02:19.370 --> 02:26.430 Baby bushes Iraq war coming up and Charles just did not play because he knew that it was 02:26.430 --> 02:31.570 This echo chamber thing that he called it that was building up the wars in 02:32.150 --> 02:39.210 The media in the minds of the people and it was lies like because he knew it was all lies 02:39.210 --> 02:46.750 La la la the first casualty of war is the truth. I tell you that right now now his new book 02:47.470 --> 02:55.290 Empire of lies follows, you know a bunch of other New York Times best-selling, you know books now 02:55.290 --> 02:59.630 Charles Goyette is also known for his 02:59.630 --> 03:07.570 Advocacies for gold and his economics his first book that went New York Times best-selling the dollar meltdown 03:08.150 --> 03:11.990 Translated into freaking Chinese that they they wanted it 03:12.730 --> 03:19.030 Yeah, we know what's happening. Watch this now also after Ron Paul's 03:19.030 --> 03:22.910 Run for the presidency and no 8 and 12 03:23.830 --> 03:26.470 Ron Paul's America was 03:27.190 --> 03:29.290 heard twice daily on 03:29.810 --> 03:38.630 125 radio stations with Charles was co-host along with Ron Paul and it was weekly podcast and 03:40.210 --> 03:43.370 You know it's kind of like Daniel McAdams, you know 03:44.110 --> 03:50.370 He's up there with dr. Paul all the time and Charles had a really good run with dr. Paul 03:50.370 --> 03:53.430 And he was the first one on 03:54.390 --> 03:58.390 National media to mention Ron Paul running for office 03:58.390 --> 04:02.490 There's a story behind that, but it was he he mentioned him 04:03.190 --> 04:04.890 Here we go 04:04.890 --> 04:11.990 That was Charles now the thing that we there's a lot of stuff he and I overlap on but I tell you the main thing 04:11.990 --> 04:14.850 that I want to discuss is that 04:15.590 --> 04:17.750 He was a voice of reason 04:18.410 --> 04:18.890 with 04:19.790 --> 04:28.050 Unreasonable people and it's you know the Empire of lies his latest book fragments from the memory hole and 04:28.850 --> 04:35.140 Truth is treason in an empire of lies, which is Ron Paul made that quote famous and 04:35.670 --> 04:43.640 so this is I want to talk about him writing this particular book how it came about and 04:44.170 --> 04:45.270 you know 04:45.810 --> 04:52.760 Where it got published? How did it get published and what it says about where we are now? 04:53.770 --> 04:57.010 And where do you get the truth about this freakin war? 04:57.530 --> 05:02.870 Charles Goyette fill in the blanks for me. What what does it people need to know about you, man? 05:03.790 --> 05:06.850 Ernest, I think you've said about everything that possibly could be said hello 05:06.850 --> 05:12.170 It's good to talk to you again in a sleut of course to Donna who obviously displays good judgment in all things 05:12.910 --> 05:13.790 Anyway, yeah 05:13.790 --> 05:19.910 Great to be great to be on your show. I don't really know where to start with all of that stuff 05:21.250 --> 05:26.930 Somebody asked me the other day where where did I derive my opposition to the war in Iraq in the first place? 05:27.050 --> 05:34.750 Well, it actually goes back I suppose to a general distrust of government and a discovery of the serial lies 05:34.750 --> 05:36.470 that it tells and 05:36.470 --> 05:40.490 Empire of lies is a it's more than just a chronicle 05:40.490 --> 05:45.590 But it's certainly chronicles a whole series of lies that the deep state used to 05:45.590 --> 05:49.750 To stampede the American public into one war after another and 05:51.110 --> 05:52.110 and I 05:52.110 --> 05:54.070 Think it's a valuable lesson 05:54.070 --> 06:01.150 Everybody that reads it should be prepared should should be prepared for this Iran debacle and for the next one that follows it 06:01.150 --> 06:05.110 Before that the a great Ukraine war lies and before that 06:05.750 --> 06:08.450 Syrian before that Libya and before that 06:08.450 --> 06:12.810 Iraq and before that Afghanistan one right after the other 06:13.710 --> 06:14.670 Next war 06:14.670 --> 06:22.490 Yeah, well look the next war is already on the front burner the former president enough tolly Bennett former president of Israel said 06:22.490 --> 06:24.550 You know next we've got to take out Turkey 06:25.410 --> 06:30.030 But of course, yeah, and I you know, I suppose I hope they mentioned that to 06:30.830 --> 06:36.510 Erdogan there because Turkey is a NATO ally that'll be the end of that'll be the end of NATO for sure 06:36.510 --> 06:41.350 Which is to me a good thing it should have ended when the Soviet Union collapsed and they've done nothing 06:41.350 --> 06:46.130 But you know endangered the American people ever since then. I mean how how 06:47.130 --> 06:50.050 Replacing Gaddafi in Libya was a matter for the 06:50.690 --> 06:54.890 North Atlantic Treaty Organization is totally beyond me 06:54.890 --> 07:00.470 So but that'll be the end of NATO that'll be accompanied by a lot of other chaos, but bear in mind 07:01.430 --> 07:09.350 That even after something like Turkey Turkey is only important to them because it's a it's a way station to their long time 07:09.350 --> 07:11.210 Objective their long time. Of course 07:11.210 --> 07:14.450 Iran has long been an objective of 07:15.350 --> 07:20.990 The neocons and the deep state but even bigger than that and the name they hardly ever dare whisper 07:20.990 --> 07:28.650 But you know that this is the objective and that's Russia and why they think the American people want to take out Russia much less 07:28.650 --> 07:33.210 Turkey or anything else is beyond me, but this is you know, they're the ones in charge 07:33.210 --> 07:35.910 They run the government they run the they are the deep state 07:35.910 --> 07:37.750 They are the establishment in America 07:37.750 --> 07:43.970 And so I've tried to prepare the American people with this book for what is to come and how to how to see it 07:43.970 --> 07:45.430 And it's going to be that way by the way 07:45.430 --> 07:49.870 I'm not promising any changes if you read this book doesn't mean the country's going to change or you know 07:49.870 --> 07:53.730 We'll get on the right track that is not my contention is all at all 07:53.730 --> 07:58.730 My contention is until the American people start to revalue the truth as 07:58.730 --> 08:05.770 Important to them then this is our trajectory and there is no detour as long as we're on an untruthful trajectory 08:06.870 --> 08:08.070 this trajectory 08:09.690 --> 08:15.170 Using lies, you know the title is really good Empire of lies 08:16.030 --> 08:16.890 Is it? 08:17.610 --> 08:23.710 Through lies that they become an empire or they become an empire so they have to lie 08:23.710 --> 08:30.610 I mean, you know, that's a good question. I'll tell you I tell you this no matter which way you deconstruct it 08:32.210 --> 08:33.250 Lying is 08:34.270 --> 08:42.350 Is congenital to an Empire an Empire cannot survive without lying and as Mark Twain said to carry the thought further about the nature of 08:42.350 --> 08:47.250 The Empire's you cannot have a Republic of free people a free Republic and an Empire at the same time 08:47.250 --> 08:53.310 So why an Empire go go hand in hand and they always have it's nothing new with America 08:53.310 --> 08:55.650 But boy, we've exploited it to a huge degree 08:55.650 --> 09:01.270 And so actually earning a chronicle a lot of the major major lies 09:01.270 --> 09:04.600 that have been foisted on this by the deep state and 09:05.270 --> 09:08.950 I do it not because anything can be recovered or restored from that 09:08.950 --> 09:13.190 But because this is a part of you know of people of people 09:13.790 --> 09:20.030 Learning how they are misled and how they are lied to the subtitle of the book is fragments from the memory hole 09:20.030 --> 09:24.470 and everybody who went to high school in America should have read 1984 and 09:24.470 --> 09:28.250 The memory hole comes out. You're not allowed anymore. No 09:28.250 --> 09:34.370 So the memory hole comes out of 1984 and you'll remember the ministry of love 09:34.370 --> 09:39.870 I mean, it's a typical dystopia the ministry of love is where the state took you to torture you 09:39.870 --> 09:46.550 Of course the ministry of love and the ministry of truth is where the state rewrote the history, you know like 09:47.570 --> 09:51.770 Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, you know, whenever they need to rewrite history 09:51.770 --> 09:53.250 they go to the the 09:53.950 --> 09:58.310 Memory hole the lead character of the book guy by the name of Winston. That's his job 09:58.310 --> 10:02.670 He rewrites the history takes the old history out of the record and dumps it down an 10:02.670 --> 10:08.070 Incinerator which they call the memory hole so that you know that the past is unknown to the people 10:08.070 --> 10:10.270 Well, I want to recover some of the past lies 10:10.270 --> 10:13.750 Some of the big ones that are in the most dangerous slipping down the memory hole 10:13.750 --> 10:16.950 so that people will be able to see the pattern the 10:17.910 --> 10:26.690 Methodology the mode that the deep state uses line pattern what exposed you I mean being a talk show host for a long time 10:26.690 --> 10:32.650 You're early on you even owned a radio station and flagstaff didn't you? Yeah, sure, you know 10:32.650 --> 10:37.090 So you've been in radio business for a long time heck you did 10:37.910 --> 10:41.050 Yeah, you had your own show when you were in the army or something 10:41.050 --> 10:47.890 Wasn't it why I was a anchor on armed forces radio and television when I was in the the military and 10:49.310 --> 10:52.010 You know, it was a wonderful assignment if you got to be in the military 10:52.010 --> 10:57.050 That was a wonderful place to be because when there was trouble, you know, they put how it serves around the 10:57.730 --> 10:59.410 you know around the 10:59.930 --> 11:04.190 The network headquarters and stuff to make sure nothing ever happened to any of us 11:04.190 --> 11:09.210 So that was that was a good thing. There were there were curious. I like to tell this one just 11:09.210 --> 11:13.050 Just because it's the nature of the military, you know 11:14.350 --> 11:20.550 During I was there during the Vietnam War. That's the generation. I am I'm a boomer quit dissing boomers 11:20.550 --> 11:24.430 We're not all like that, but I'm a boomer and I was in during the Vietnam War 11:26.870 --> 11:33.430 It was very peculiar anchoring the news on the network on the armed forces network 11:34.030 --> 11:37.310 We were not allowed. We were absolutely 11:37.310 --> 11:42.850 Forbidden from showing any film or really describing anything going on in Vietnam 11:42.850 --> 11:49.530 I think about this Vietnam is raging. It's the number one story in the world and 11:50.710 --> 11:55.530 When when we had a hole in the newscast because we weren't covering Vietnam 11:55.530 --> 11:57.850 The network would send this footage 11:58.370 --> 12:03.670 From the Irish Republican Army's disturbances in Belfast to fill in the gaps 12:03.670 --> 12:04.570 So 12:06.030 --> 12:11.850 You know, I I understand the military in one sense. They you know, I have a lot of people watching that network and 12:12.610 --> 12:19.450 Watching my stations and you know, nobody wants to see their close friends their children their associates and stuff 12:20.010 --> 12:20.970 you know being 12:21.630 --> 12:23.650 Ground into hamburger in Vietnam 12:23.650 --> 12:27.190 So they didn't want to show that film on on the TV in the network 12:27.190 --> 12:33.590 But they replaced it with the Irish Republican Army, which very few people in America and especially the armed forces cared about at the time 12:33.590 --> 12:36.190 so I 12:36.190 --> 12:42.470 Don't suppose that's what started me on the on the road to you know, concern about military posture my 12:43.090 --> 12:47.250 I think my biggest turning point was the 12:48.390 --> 12:53.650 Prevailing the prevailing military doctrine of the United States called mutual assured destruction 12:53.650 --> 12:59.030 And I looked at that as a symbol of just the insanity of our leadership 12:59.030 --> 13:05.150 The idea of mutual assured destruction was that we would have no defense for the people of the United States 13:05.150 --> 13:11.990 none the only way we pretend and the only substitute for defending you the people of the United States from 13:13.890 --> 13:17.550 Nuclear loaded ICBMs crossing the Atlantic in the Pacific 13:17.550 --> 13:24.910 The only defense we would have is the certainty that the Soviet leadership would have that if they blasted us to smithereens 13:24.910 --> 13:29.910 We in turn would blast them. So it was like a standoff, you know, they won't fire first 13:29.910 --> 13:34.510 They won't launch a first strike because they know we'll take them out. They thought in turn 13:34.510 --> 13:36.410 we wouldn't launch a first strike because 13:37.290 --> 13:37.750 because 13:39.390 --> 13:42.330 We know in turn that they would respond and take us out 13:42.330 --> 13:45.430 And so it was a cold war standoff and it made absolutely no sense 13:45.430 --> 13:51.990 No defense for the American people think about what we were spending trillions on cold wars trillions on defense all kinds of weaponry 13:51.990 --> 13:54.950 But we had absolutely no defense from the single 13:55.710 --> 13:59.110 solitary most important threat the American people faced and that was 14:00.750 --> 14:05.810 Nuclear ICBMs we had no defense. Oh, I'm sorry. I've misspoken 14:06.330 --> 14:12.190 They did carve out one little piece of defense in the in the 14:13.070 --> 14:16.450 Antibolistic Missile Treaty one little piece of the defense 14:17.490 --> 14:21.290 The American governing classes were allowed to provide 14:22.490 --> 14:25.850 Anti-missile defense for the capital city for Washington DC 14:26.410 --> 14:31.730 so the rest of the American people had no defense the government had no interest in defending them and 14:32.210 --> 14:33.650 Would could pursue reckless 14:34.570 --> 14:38.370 reckless policies that made their lives even more endangered and 14:38.930 --> 14:42.230 Yet the governing classes that got us into this friggin mess 14:42.230 --> 14:46.810 Had the provision carved out that they could defend their own hometown. So 14:49.490 --> 14:54.530 Bunkers continuation of government as if that was you know the goal the 14:55.550 --> 15:02.970 The the book I'd like to get into some of the stories. Yeah, because it it follows a pattern 15:03.650 --> 15:09.370 that first off they got to build up, you know, how bad and evil somebody else is and 15:10.270 --> 15:15.210 Then the solution to that we got to go kill them and it's just been 15:15.210 --> 15:22.130 It's like the same same same and I want to preface, you know your response with this 15:23.550 --> 15:25.790 What happens is that 15:27.130 --> 15:32.930 You got to demean the other side their nips their kikes their, you know 15:33.650 --> 15:34.130 Hitler 15:34.810 --> 15:36.010 Stalin something 15:37.350 --> 15:39.810 Whatever the hell they come up with and 15:41.490 --> 15:44.230 Then therefore we must kill them 15:45.410 --> 15:49.830 Why but what is really behind this, you know 15:49.830 --> 15:55.790 It seems like war for its own sake or or smelly butler, you know war is a racket 15:55.790 --> 15:57.910 We're just going to make some money or 15:57.910 --> 16:03.830 It seems more and more like it's an altar sacrifice to get their stripes in hell or something 16:03.830 --> 16:06.210 I mean these people are bad 16:06.210 --> 16:13.690 Doing bad things. They know is bad, you know, that's like the definition of evil, you know, and I'm I'm wondering 16:14.470 --> 16:23.290 What is the commonality throughout the years and decades the times as you studied this subject that you see that there's a 16:23.290 --> 16:29.610 Type of person kind of like I ran books, you know, we're all about you're you're fighting 16:30.370 --> 16:36.530 Character or lack thereof you're fighting people that they're they're they're not human. They're not 16:37.170 --> 16:41.930 Normal there are different species. I mean literally there's something wrong with them 16:42.630 --> 16:47.150 What's wrong with them Charles? What kind of people are these? 16:47.670 --> 16:48.410 let me 16:49.490 --> 16:52.050 Detour into the answer and I really want to 16:52.590 --> 16:56.430 Respond to you directly, but I think I can detour into it in a way and at least 16:57.310 --> 17:00.590 Describe a part of it and since I'm a media guy and been a media guy 17:00.590 --> 17:04.690 I like to to talk about the manifestation of this madness in the media 17:05.250 --> 17:07.390 There is a there is a syndrome 17:08.090 --> 17:12.670 That I call combat envy and I call it combat envy because there's not a name for it 17:12.670 --> 17:17.190 And you won't find it in any of the standard, you know, psychiatric diagnostic manuals 17:17.190 --> 17:21.270 It's not there, but it should be because it's a very very prevalent and very very dangerous 17:21.270 --> 17:23.550 so combat envy is this 17:23.550 --> 17:29.250 This syndrome where people seek to fill a hole in their own lives or in their own so 17:29.250 --> 17:34.710 Psychies by egging on wars and bragging about their non-existent war mongering 17:35.310 --> 17:38.610 achievements their acts of daring do throughout their lifetimes and 17:39.250 --> 17:44.570 I suppose it doesn't matter if you run into a guy in a bar and a guy in a bar says oh, yeah, I was a 17:44.570 --> 17:49.950 Navy seal or I was a green beret and makes him feel a little better and he you know 17:49.950 --> 17:56.890 I want you to buy him a drink and I whatever but when they're in the national media or in the political classes the governing classes 17:56.890 --> 18:02.750 It's very very dangerous indeed and I like to cut side a couple of media examples 18:03.930 --> 18:08.490 Let me let me start with this one. I've got a list of them, but let me start with this one 18:08.490 --> 18:13.890 Well, let me even back up to start with this one. There was a guy on Fox News named 18:14.750 --> 18:15.370 Wayne 18:17.130 --> 18:19.390 Simmons Wayne Simmons was a 18:20.190 --> 18:28.700 National Security CIA veteran CIA veteran national security terrorism advisor and Fox News had him on all 18:29.370 --> 18:36.630 the time and they didn't have him on because of the wisdom of what he said they had him on because he 18:36.630 --> 18:42.370 Pushed the wars pushed all the wars. He was like out of his mind the way he pushed the wars 18:42.370 --> 18:47.390 He was and they like that because you know fear is an intoxicant and it spikes ratings 18:47.390 --> 18:52.770 This is a Fox News alert. So this guy Wayne Simmons on there for years, I guess 15 years or so and 18:53.710 --> 18:55.730 He would come up with the most insane 18:56.570 --> 18:58.230 Stuff, I think it was probably 18:58.230 --> 19:06.230 10 or more years ago probably 12 15 years ago that he was pushing for a an American ground invasion of Iran 19:06.870 --> 19:10.970 I mean scratch my head and wonder who kicked this guy off the turnip truck 19:10.970 --> 19:16.510 So but anyway, what what really happened with him while he you know pushed the wars and 19:17.690 --> 19:20.110 the real CIA guys 19:20.930 --> 19:25.110 Didn't like it very much. And so one of them blew the whistle on him and it turned out 19:25.110 --> 19:32.470 He wasn't really a national security advisor of CIA veteran a terrorism expert that Fox brought into our living rooms 19:32.470 --> 19:35.210 every day he was a 19:36.690 --> 19:45.030 Hot tub manager and a bookie and a fellow and he was he was a poseur and so they got rid of him 19:45.030 --> 19:49.030 But of course they had to fill him with somebody else and they got all kinds of crazy journals on there now 19:50.350 --> 19:53.030 But I mean that's that's one example 19:53.030 --> 19:58.450 But a better one is probably because this guy was centerpiece in delivering news to the American people 19:58.450 --> 20:02.010 This was a guy by the name of Brian Williams. Everybody remembers him 20:02.010 --> 20:09.230 he was the primary anchor on NBC News big major network primary news anchor Brian Williams and 20:09.930 --> 20:14.090 Brian Williams went as a reporter as an anchor went into the first Gulf War 20:14.090 --> 20:17.770 He went in with a bunch of guys and you know to watch and see what they were doing 20:17.770 --> 20:21.710 You know, they treat these guys with the kid loves these media people. They don't want anything happened to him 20:21.710 --> 20:26.630 So, you know coptered into wherever it was Baghdad or wherever it was during the first Gulf War 20:26.630 --> 20:33.350 So in the subsequent years on shows like the Tonight Show in interviews and public appearances 20:33.350 --> 20:34.650 He started 20:35.530 --> 20:43.650 Embellishing his experience about how threatened he was how dangerous it was and it got worse and worse with each retelling about 20:43.650 --> 20:47.790 You know, we were we were targeted and then the next time, you know 20:47.790 --> 20:51.990 I saw an RPG just headed right at me the next time the RPG damn near hit 20:51.990 --> 20:57.930 But it's the helicopter behind and we had to I don't know what he said that we had corkscrew landing and you know 20:57.930 --> 21:02.510 Dangerous territory. Anyway, it just got worse and worse and worse and the guys 21:03.170 --> 21:08.370 The guys that were on the mission finally blew the whistle on him in Stars and Stripes 21:08.370 --> 21:11.790 And they said no, you know, we were the participants and he 21:12.290 --> 21:13.690 None of what he said happened 21:13.690 --> 21:16.890 By the way, the name of the real operation that he was on was big windy 21:16.890 --> 21:19.450 Which kind of 21:19.450 --> 21:28.630 But they said it wasn't true and once he was found out once they blew the whistle on him at these gross distortions and exaggerations of his 21:28.630 --> 21:31.110 experience he goes, I 21:31.750 --> 21:35.430 Mean, he still couldn't take responsibility for it. So he goes. Oh 21:37.130 --> 21:37.570 I 21:37.570 --> 21:38.470 Must have had a tumor 21:39.230 --> 21:40.450 It was a tumor 21:41.290 --> 21:45.570 Seeking yeah, seeking to excuse himself from what he had done now here 21:45.570 --> 21:49.070 Here's the real rub of these stories and I tell you another one. I'll get them 21:49.070 --> 21:56.190 Maybe I'll get the bill right bill right, but the real story is he worked for general electric NBC was owned by General Electric and 21:57.070 --> 22:02.410 General Electric doesn't have enough respect for its audience for its viewers to have gotten rid of the guy 22:02.410 --> 22:10.350 Think about it. These guys are expected to tell you the truth dig and provide accurate information about things going halfway around the world 22:10.350 --> 22:16.250 That they don't know anything about but to at least do a diligent job of trying to provide you the real story and on the things 22:16.250 --> 22:19.910 They know best they prove to you that they're willing to lie and deceive you 22:19.910 --> 22:23.630 So did General Electric fire him? No, they didn't fire him 22:23.630 --> 22:28.910 Why because he was a raw raw war guy and being a war contractor. They liked that 22:28.910 --> 22:30.350 So they suspended him 22:30.350 --> 22:36.730 I don't know for a couple of weeks or a month whatever it was and then they moved him over made him the primary anchor on MSNPC 22:37.270 --> 22:42.910 And everybody in the media the big players in the media like Roger Ailes at Foxy would said well, you you know 22:42.910 --> 22:45.410 these are good guys and and 22:45.410 --> 22:49.890 They had their own they had Bill O'Reilly. You remember Bill O'Reilly when we were working together 22:49.890 --> 22:53.950 He was making up stories about his. Oh 22:53.950 --> 22:56.630 When I when I lived by men in battle 22:57.130 --> 23:01.530 Seriously, you can still find that videotape on that on YouTube that when I leave my men in battle 23:02.090 --> 23:05.570 But he was talking about you know when I was in the war when I was in the Falklands 23:06.130 --> 23:09.510 Uh, when I had I think he said he had to drag his cameraman to safety 23:09.510 --> 23:14.850 I don't know but in any event he kept talking about the Falklands war where he was and I saw war time 23:14.850 --> 23:17.550 I saw the reality war in the Falklands or all of his nonsense 23:18.110 --> 23:19.170 He was never 23:20.090 --> 23:20.750 I repeat 23:22.650 --> 23:30.990 Never in the Falklands period end of story and it got worse. I mean he would talk about I saw nuns getting shot in the head 23:31.630 --> 23:34.910 Well, he didn't see any nuns getting shot of the head 23:35.550 --> 23:41.190 He might have seen photos in the aftermath, but he was nowhere where it was happening 23:41.790 --> 23:46.370 You know, I mean I saw the I saw the zupruder film. Should I be telling people? I was there 23:46.370 --> 23:49.650 I witnessed the Kennedy assassination because I saw photos 23:50.130 --> 23:54.530 So anyway, but you know, what did they do with him when he was caught up lying to the 23:54.530 --> 23:57.230 American people about his own experience. They didn't do anything 23:57.230 --> 24:05.590 That's the respect that they have for you if it's good for ratings. Give him a raise. That's what they're willing. That's what they're willing to do and 24:06.610 --> 24:09.290 I'll tell you it's actually goes on to this day 24:09.290 --> 24:10.810 I don't read any of his books 24:10.810 --> 24:14.690 But everybody tells me that his book killing Kennedy about the Kennedy assassination 24:14.690 --> 24:20.810 Is much the same thing that he says he was on the doorstep as an investigating reporter 24:20.810 --> 24:24.270 He was on the doorstep of uh, I think it was george demoran shield 24:24.270 --> 24:31.010 He was a kind of an important figure in the nexus between oswald and cia. He was a cia guy and some sort of a 24:31.950 --> 24:38.550 Connection as a handler of of oswald and he said I was on the doorstep ringing the doorbell of george demoran shield 24:38.550 --> 24:43.310 When the shotgun blast went off and he killed himself and in his home with a shotgun 24:43.310 --> 24:46.090 And of course it was a lie 24:46.650 --> 24:51.030 He wasn't he wasn't on the door. He wasn't even the same state in florida 24:51.030 --> 24:58.330 He was in texas and somebody came up. Well, here's a phone call recorded with bill o'reilly at the station in texas at the time 24:58.330 --> 25:01.870 It's certainly he certainly couldn't have gotten to florida and back in that 25:01.870 --> 25:06.150 So these guys make this stuff. I what did they do with o'reilly? They didn't do anything. They let him 25:06.150 --> 25:08.370 They let him what do you call this syndrome? 25:09.150 --> 25:14.750 I call it combat envy. They're so desirous of being viewed as important 25:15.330 --> 25:15.710 brave 25:16.610 --> 25:16.990 involved 25:17.810 --> 25:25.670 Knowledgeable and in fact and even and they never learn. Here's the thing brian williams even even after he got found out when 25:26.370 --> 25:32.350 when the uh, I guess it was the yeah, the obama's administration faked made that fake uh, 25:33.230 --> 25:40.750 Gas attack strike a deadly sarin gas attack strike on syria that you know was another made-up phony thing 25:41.810 --> 25:47.350 brian williams is on television anchoring the news talking about it and he starts quoting 25:48.030 --> 25:52.650 Songwriter lindard collin. He says I am guided by the beauty of our weapons 25:53.350 --> 25:56.330 So these people i'm telling you they are they are deranged 25:56.890 --> 26:03.310 And so that doesn't take us all the way back to the the whole spectrum of your question about who are these people and how 26:03.310 --> 26:05.050 How do they get there? 26:05.390 --> 26:10.890 But they're very dangerous in the media because they champion these things because it makes them feel important 26:10.890 --> 26:15.970 And it feels feel some even I think uh, I think roger ale said, you know 26:15.970 --> 26:20.830 Well brian williams he doesn't feel as good as the important general as he talks about because he never went to college 26:20.830 --> 26:23.610 I'm thinking that's an excuse to lie about wars 26:24.670 --> 26:25.130 So 26:26.470 --> 26:31.390 Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't cover the whole the whole thing but that's the and of course they're the politicians 26:31.390 --> 26:36.010 There's no point, you know talking about political lies everybody knows but I mean, you know 26:36.010 --> 26:41.610 Hillary clinton had her stories about you know in bosnia and you know, she were they were taken 26:41.610 --> 26:46.850 They were being shelled when she was helicoptering in and and uh, they were in so much danger or whatever 26:46.850 --> 26:50.190 I don't even remember her nonsense, but it was all nonsense and 26:50.670 --> 26:50.990 Um 26:51.650 --> 26:52.290 as 26:52.770 --> 27:00.310 As the truth had it they actually landed at the airport in bosnia or wherever the the event was 27:00.310 --> 27:05.010 They had uh, you know everybody little kids and national costumes out on the tarmac 27:05.490 --> 27:09.070 And she had chelsea with her chelsea probably a teenager at the time 27:09.070 --> 27:13.210 I mean there were none of these dangers that she talked about and uh, 27:13.210 --> 27:18.870 Even, uh, charo crow was on sin bad was on the comedian sin bad was on the same flight 27:18.870 --> 27:23.690 You know, it's entertaining the troops go over there and uh sin bad said there was anything he said the only thing 27:23.690 --> 27:26.290 Scary about it is where we're going to go for lunch 27:26.730 --> 27:31.530 So she made this up as another tale of daring do and there are guys like 27:31.530 --> 27:33.730 You know, senator richard bloom and thaw 27:34.250 --> 27:38.550 Connecticut, you know talk about himself as a vietnam veteran when of course he was it 27:38.550 --> 27:40.310 So this stuff goes on all the time 27:40.310 --> 27:46.930 So it's in the governing classes. It's in the media and it doesn't cover the whole spectrum of uh, why they lie to us about this 27:46.930 --> 27:53.930 Um, so much, but i'll give you just a quick anecdote about the profit bearing side. I mean this should tell you everything 27:54.550 --> 27:55.530 um, we were 27:56.230 --> 27:57.950 We were in syria 27:58.590 --> 28:01.350 The united states military the pentagon 28:02.010 --> 28:07.090 Was providing training and arms at the expense of course of the american people 28:07.090 --> 28:11.710 I mean somebody ultimately has to pay the bill they were providing training and arms to uh, 28:12.750 --> 28:14.530 fundamentalist terrorists in syria 28:15.290 --> 28:20.070 Who were fighting against islamic terrorists who were funded by the cia? 28:21.290 --> 28:23.110 Which is a pretty good deal 28:23.630 --> 28:27.610 You know, if you want to arm both sides of uh, of a war it's good for the 28:28.310 --> 28:34.370 For the weapons of death merchants and and i looked at wraithy on stock with all the tomahawks being fired off 28:34.370 --> 28:38.770 I looked at wraithy on stock last week and they're doing just great the american people aren't doing so great 28:38.770 --> 28:44.430 But wraithy on defense contractors are are doing great. So, you know, there's the profit motive 28:44.430 --> 28:51.350 There's clearly the profit motive. There's the desire that uh, people have of a desire to rule the world 28:51.930 --> 28:57.970 There is it. Well, it in fact, there's no better example than the first uh, the george w bush 28:57.970 --> 29:02.610 You know, there were so many there were so many interests that came together in that war 29:02.610 --> 29:04.910 Carl rove figured out 29:05.630 --> 29:09.530 That george w bush pulled 10 points higher if he was in a bomber jacket 29:10.130 --> 29:14.930 So before they were done with him, they had him landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier proclaiming mission accomplished 29:15.490 --> 29:17.830 And uh, you know, that's because there was after all 29:17.830 --> 29:21.990 There was going to be a mid-term election in 82 and they wanted to do well in that 29:21.990 --> 29:28.710 And so everything but the the lies run so deep. I mean in the in the bush war 29:28.710 --> 29:32.610 There was an economist to I think he was friendly with bush because he was from texas 29:32.610 --> 29:36.870 But he was somehow placed in the first part of the administration guy's name was lindsey 29:36.870 --> 29:39.990 I can't remember. I think it must might have been larry larry lindsey 29:39.990 --> 29:42.910 But he was a you know for these government economists 29:42.910 --> 29:48.730 He was pretty fair economists and he came out and is he was maybe head of the council of economic advisors 29:48.730 --> 29:53.130 And when the when they were beating the drums for the iraq war after it started said well 29:53.130 --> 29:56.010 This work could cost us like 50 billion dollars 29:56.470 --> 29:58.130 And they fired him for it 29:58.850 --> 30:02.210 He said the work could cost us 50 billion dollars. That was so 30:02.850 --> 30:08.610 Set so poorly with the american people that they fired him so that they could downplay the cost of the war 30:08.610 --> 30:12.410 And of course it ended up costy three trillion dollars 30:13.410 --> 30:19.550 So it's all lies. It's all lies and jests. So the man hears what he wants to hear and just regards the rest 30:20.150 --> 30:23.510 And and the reasoning you know, I here here comes 30:24.040 --> 30:25.730 Something else. I wanted to show this 30:27.790 --> 30:28.810 Save us 30:30.190 --> 30:31.350 Walter Cronkite 30:31.990 --> 30:33.790 It's Walter Cronkite AI 30:34.440 --> 30:40.930 You know, we have the we have not just the internet. We have the internet is gonna tell us what's up 30:40.930 --> 30:46.550 You know, so this is and Walter Cronkite turns out to be you know 30:46.550 --> 30:51.810 Just part of mocking burden, you know reading by whatever they tell them to read and whatever 30:52.560 --> 30:56.750 And you went through this I want to spend some time on that a little bit 30:57.490 --> 30:58.910 because you were 30:59.710 --> 31:02.070 Known as the anti-war guy 31:02.820 --> 31:10.010 You know, I started radio the anti-war guy february of 03 before the land invasion into iraq 31:10.010 --> 31:12.810 So we we had that, you know in common 31:13.480 --> 31:14.610 And it was 31:16.030 --> 31:19.430 Your clear channel, you know, you you're in between 31:19.430 --> 31:20.290 You know 31:21.170 --> 31:22.970 Hannity and rush limbaugh 31:22.970 --> 31:29.490 I remember, you know, so charles was an up and cover. I mean they they had plans for charles 31:30.070 --> 31:33.630 And he just could not lie 31:34.230 --> 31:41.610 He just wouldn't do it. He knew better and but he didn't know better. You know, I remember the article it was um 31:41.610 --> 31:45.710 American conservative, I think it was a pap you can and had this magazine 31:46.390 --> 31:49.170 And wrote the article how to lose your job and talk 31:49.170 --> 31:53.050 You know, well here we go, you know 31:53.050 --> 31:59.750 And um, I had how I knew charles is my political activism. I had been on this show before 32:00.430 --> 32:06.970 And uh became friendly. It was like well, obviously you're libertarian, you know, and it um 32:07.590 --> 32:10.470 Got to where they brought you in 32:11.030 --> 32:14.930 To explain it to you. I want you to tell that story 32:15.510 --> 32:21.530 Yeah, you know, it's you gotta be for the troops, you know, and baby bushes administration and so on 32:21.530 --> 32:26.430 Talk about that and what your response was and what it meant to your career 32:27.010 --> 32:31.510 That you were willingly willing to throw into the dustbin 32:32.070 --> 32:37.030 Instead of being one of these propagandists of which they expected you to do 32:37.590 --> 32:40.110 And they explained it to you tell that story 32:40.470 --> 32:43.650 Yeah, I might get some of the details out of order because I haven't thought about that 32:43.650 --> 32:45.070 if you think about it the uh 32:45.070 --> 32:50.090 The iraq war was, you know built up in 2002 and launched in march of 2003 32:50.090 --> 32:52.630 So I I haven't thought about it a lot 32:52.630 --> 32:56.270 But one of the things that leaves immediately to mind is well 32:56.270 --> 33:01.190 You were my producer for a while after that and uh, you know how ridiculous this would be but 33:01.190 --> 33:07.710 The management one time when I was on the air the management called my producer on the hotline in the control room 33:08.230 --> 33:08.750 and said 33:08.750 --> 33:09.610 and said 33:10.110 --> 33:12.150 Don't let charles talk about the war 33:12.870 --> 33:18.910 And the producer my producer at the time good guy turned out to be a really good guy, but he he said 33:19.410 --> 33:23.270 He said well, how am I get serious? How am I going to stop him? 33:23.430 --> 33:24.690 What do you want me to do? 33:25.010 --> 33:28.590 Don't let charles talk about the war. Of course, it was only the number one story 33:29.150 --> 33:34.050 In talk radio in the world in the news. So but it it uh 33:35.410 --> 33:40.490 They were they they didn't they didn't know what to do with me. They wanted to keep me 33:40.490 --> 33:43.390 They just paid me a ratings bonus. They were happy with me 33:43.390 --> 33:48.530 They even flew me out from phoenix to uh, their flagship station in la 33:49.130 --> 33:52.250 uh to do the morning show when the guy was gone or something 33:52.250 --> 33:54.430 I mean and the the head 33:55.030 --> 33:57.870 Talk show guy for probably the biggest talk show 33:57.870 --> 34:02.290 Consulted in history that made more big names famous than you can imagine 34:02.290 --> 34:04.130 I mean if I could rattle him off, he'd know him off 34:05.110 --> 34:10.610 He had taken a special shine to me. He liked me used to fly into phoenix sit in the studio watch me watch my show 34:11.010 --> 34:11.790 and uh 34:13.250 --> 34:20.010 But anyway, these people they knew they had a problem with me because uh, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't shut up about the war 34:20.610 --> 34:21.010 and 34:21.470 --> 34:25.990 It wasn't just, you know, I'm railing against the war, but every time they'd float a new story 34:26.510 --> 34:30.930 You know a new made-up story about something I I'd get somebody on that had 34:31.470 --> 34:34.250 impeccable credentials to talk about why that couldn't be so 34:34.730 --> 34:40.410 And so they you know, they didn't know they didn't know what to do and they tried to get me one of the one time 34:40.410 --> 34:44.730 Oh, this is how toxic this stuff becomes. This is bad memory for me, but I'm gonna tell you anyway 34:46.430 --> 34:51.350 This the stuff being on the uh being on the bad guy list 34:51.350 --> 34:54.950 And nobody had to say anything everybody knew I was on the bad guy list 34:54.950 --> 34:58.590 I'd walk down the halls and people I'd been really friendly with during the whole time 34:58.590 --> 35:01.570 I worked there were kind of duck into their side offices and stuff 35:01.570 --> 35:05.930 So they didn't have to be seen associated with me and uh one day 35:06.510 --> 35:07.370 one of the 35:08.210 --> 35:11.590 Well, this major talk show consultant that I alluded to 35:12.030 --> 35:15.070 He called me at home and he was trying to figure out and I don't blame me 35:15.070 --> 35:15.950 He was trying to figure out, you know 35:15.950 --> 35:21.610 What are they what do they do with me because as you say I'm sandwiched between war monger shan hanity rush limbaugh 35:21.610 --> 35:26.030 What are they gonna do with me and they didn't really have a solution? I had a solution for them 35:26.030 --> 35:27.050 I could have told them what to do 35:27.050 --> 35:31.330 I had great successes of radio program grammar and owned a radio station 35:31.330 --> 35:34.810 What they should have done was said, you know, they didn't like it 35:34.810 --> 35:38.550 They should have said, you know, listen to charles go ahead afternoon drive today 35:39.010 --> 35:41.270 And see if you can figure out what he's missing 35:41.770 --> 35:44.890 You know, I mean they could have made it an object of interest and stuff 35:44.890 --> 35:50.790 But instead, you know, they wanted to intimidate me to go along with the war and of course, I wouldn't do that 35:50.790 --> 35:53.510 So that anyway, this consultant calls me one day at home 35:54.790 --> 35:58.070 And he says well, charles, you know, well, you know what 35:58.610 --> 36:02.850 Maybe you could do this or maybe you could do that. I go no seriously, you know, I can't you know 36:02.850 --> 36:08.410 I'm not gonna lie about anything, you know, I'd rather, you know, save my soul didn't lie 36:09.010 --> 36:10.530 about stuff like that 36:11.970 --> 36:15.070 So anyway, he said well, I agree with you about the war 36:15.070 --> 36:18.350 But yeah, you can't really yada, yada, yada, whatever he said 36:18.350 --> 36:21.330 And that's lost in the annals of history somewhere 36:21.330 --> 36:23.970 I don't remember exactly what his solution was 36:23.970 --> 36:26.630 He didn't really have one, but he's flailing about trying to figure out what to do 36:27.110 --> 36:30.810 And so, you know, I said, well, I can't you know, I can't do that 36:30.810 --> 36:34.530 So and I knew I would put myself on a path of career suicide 36:34.530 --> 36:39.070 But you have to do that sometimes, you know, what's his name? Joe Kent just did that 36:39.890 --> 36:44.510 So anyway, the same guy though calls me late at night at home 36:45.510 --> 36:49.170 Again, and he says, you know, Charles, what I told you 36:49.790 --> 36:54.050 About my being opposed to this war, please don't mention that to anybody 36:54.750 --> 37:01.110 You know, it's it's fear. I mean they they peddle fear to keep everybody in line and and everybody knows it 37:01.110 --> 37:04.170 I've got a thing in the book, you know, I divide 37:04.910 --> 37:08.910 What we're talking about when we talk about the establishment and the deep state and the empire 37:08.910 --> 37:13.430 Of lies that try to, you know, create some sort of a framework 37:13.430 --> 37:16.670 So people understand that these are all different things and they have different functions 37:16.670 --> 37:19.890 But I can tell you guys that are establishment figures 37:21.030 --> 37:21.950 You know like 37:23.250 --> 37:24.210 Oh like 37:27.830 --> 37:32.350 Oh, let me give you this one. The guy's named Leslie Gelb. You cannot believe this guy's 37:33.310 --> 37:39.010 Resume he was uh, I think he was a department of defense official. He was a new york times editor 37:39.010 --> 37:42.630 He was on the board of the new york times. He was a new york times columnist 37:42.630 --> 37:47.410 He was on the board of the kennedy center. He was on the board of one university after another. He was 37:47.410 --> 37:51.250 It goes on and on and on you just look at this resume 37:51.250 --> 37:54.870 You think like god, how did he have time to do all that but all the establishment places? 37:54.870 --> 38:00.850 He was a leading figure Leslie gelt is his name and many people back in that day remembered him from his columns 38:00.850 --> 38:03.990 And as being an editor of the new york times and so on and so forth 38:03.990 --> 38:10.070 And so after the iraq war he said well my support for the iraq war basically boiled down to 38:10.070 --> 38:13.550 You know, you don't want to risk your credibility with the establishment 38:14.410 --> 38:19.910 So even if they even if they think it's a fraud their position in society or the positions that they 38:19.910 --> 38:23.990 They own nobody's going to keep them on the board of the new york times if they oppose the war 38:24.950 --> 38:28.290 so anyway, that's kind of that's kind of what happened and 38:29.510 --> 38:34.350 I ended up, you know, I was had a really good contract as I say they just paid me a ratings bonus 38:34.350 --> 38:41.490 In fact that they insisted on getting me on a contract there and I didn't I wanted to work at will which is as long as you're happy with me 38:41.490 --> 38:45.070 You know, I'll I'll be happy to work here and as long as I'm happy with you 38:45.070 --> 38:47.390 I'll be happy to stay and we've got nice beautiful green 38:47.390 --> 38:53.070 No, they wanted to get me on a contract because they knew one of the other stations kept snooping around trying to get me over there 38:53.630 --> 38:55.350 So I signed the contract in 38:55.870 --> 39:03.530 You know and kind of reluctantly and one of the terms this contract went back and forth is these things do it back and forth 39:03.530 --> 39:10.290 And so finally you got the final version of everything's fine. I don't have a problem with there's nothing wrong except one little thing 39:10.830 --> 39:14.910 And that was I'm a family man. I had kids one little thing was 39:15.450 --> 39:18.190 I didn't want to work at night, you know, I'd be home with my family 39:18.190 --> 39:22.510 So you could I don't care if you had to get me up at five in the morning for the early shift 39:22.510 --> 39:27.170 And nobody likes that one of my colleagues had a contract says I will not work that early shift 39:27.170 --> 39:31.630 They go, yeah, we get it. We know I ruined your life. So but I said I'd do that 39:31.630 --> 39:35.810 I'll do any time of day any time of day, but I don't want to be on the radio at night 39:36.490 --> 39:36.890 and 39:37.510 --> 39:41.890 They and this is what they said they didn't want to draft the contract again. They didn't want they 39:42.470 --> 39:45.510 My boss was under a tremendous amount of pressure to get me signed 39:46.610 --> 39:49.330 And she said she said Charles 39:50.250 --> 39:56.870 Don't worry about that. You don't need to get that in there. He said she said we pay you too much money to work at night 39:57.670 --> 40:01.450 Which was true because radio listening is in the day and in 40:02.030 --> 40:05.390 Automobiles and stuff like that at night people are watching tv at home 40:05.390 --> 40:09.990 You know the radio listening numbers are way down at night. So we pay you too much money to work at night 40:09.990 --> 40:12.370 I go, yeah, you're right. Okay. I won't insist on a change 40:12.930 --> 40:16.250 But when I got crosswise with them for my opposition to the war 40:16.740 --> 40:18.750 The only thing they could do is 40:19.370 --> 40:20.990 Well, they could have done an honorable thing 40:20.990 --> 40:25.290 They could have just you know paid off my contract for the next year or however much was left and 40:25.290 --> 40:32.510 Let me go my way. But instead they moved me to the nighttime slot hoping that nobody would notice they had a 40:34.590 --> 40:36.070 Renegade in the lineup 40:36.620 --> 40:42.670 So that was part of you know, that was part of the you know, I remember those days and what happened was 40:43.230 --> 40:47.050 During the day you had the other hosts that were 40:47.790 --> 40:48.750 Making fun of you 40:48.750 --> 40:55.690 Oh, Charles. It's got bad job. And it was you could smell it. They were making the shift 40:55.690 --> 40:57.850 They were doing on me. Oh, yeah 40:57.850 --> 41:02.710 Yeah, it was it was ugly and it was stupid. You know made them look stupid 41:03.270 --> 41:06.070 And it just showed you the the quality 41:06.710 --> 41:10.150 Or the respect that they had for the audience 41:10.850 --> 41:16.150 And when Charles went tonight and it was like late, wasn't it like nine to midnight or 41:16.910 --> 41:22.970 Seven to ten seven to ten. Well, I had kids. I want to be home with them in the evening. So, yeah 41:22.970 --> 41:29.630 So they go yeah, you have two sons and he goes, um, they they put you at night and 41:30.310 --> 41:30.790 I 41:31.550 --> 41:37.450 I know that you had you know for the time slot you were beating the crap everybody there and I can tell you that 41:37.450 --> 41:39.690 but it was um 41:39.690 --> 41:45.970 Obvious what was going on and they were running out your contract you went to the end of the contract, didn't you? 41:46.530 --> 41:52.230 Uh at some point before it ended the uh, bit the bullet and paid me the remainder 41:52.230 --> 41:57.190 There it wasn't it wasn't much but it had run down quite a bit and so they bit the bullet 41:58.770 --> 42:05.630 So this is systemic and I want to tell this story and have charles comment on a little bit. Um 42:06.710 --> 42:08.890 He and I were at the same station 42:09.690 --> 42:15.410 Um, I eventually moved from my slot and became your producer 42:15.930 --> 42:18.930 Which I was happy to do which I was happy to have you 42:18.930 --> 42:20.550 You know 42:22.510 --> 42:26.690 Raise you at all. I thought you wanted a title, you know 42:26.690 --> 42:34.150 I was like, you know, I wasn't going to get a raise. So I go. I want to be the imperial producers. That's how 42:34.150 --> 42:38.710 You were I want a title, you know, but the um 42:38.710 --> 42:44.030 So then we went on to air america hired us and it was 42:44.790 --> 42:49.030 They were, you know, communist radio and they thought that we were liberal terrians 42:49.030 --> 42:53.510 And then they find out immediately that we're, you know, libertarian 42:53.510 --> 42:58.910 And they're like you're against this and that and that but we thought but to a contract, you know 42:58.910 --> 43:02.830 And charles knew better than to make sure that 43:03.290 --> 43:07.470 He retained control and I did it in my future contracts and everything 43:07.470 --> 43:11.530 That you want to be clear whatever put me whenever you want, but 43:12.110 --> 43:16.230 I get to control what I talk about and what I say 43:16.790 --> 43:24.590 This is important, you know, to maintain that and charles is, you know, uh mentored other people doing their own contracts 43:24.590 --> 43:26.750 That you've helped with on that very kind of point 43:27.450 --> 43:28.570 but the um 43:29.190 --> 43:32.010 The the time that we spent together 43:32.690 --> 43:40.970 It was obvious to me how good you were and why you were you worked really hard at it and you understood the subject material 43:41.650 --> 43:42.290 but 43:43.090 --> 43:44.430 it was always 43:44.970 --> 43:46.550 pressure from they them those 43:46.550 --> 43:52.210 For you to comport to whatever it was and they did it through advertisers 43:52.810 --> 43:55.870 You know, I I'm I'm not going to advertise on a 43:56.430 --> 44:04.250 Station that would allow this kind of talk or you better whatever and when we were over at air america 44:04.250 --> 44:10.970 I remember because you hammered on john mccain so much, you know, and you know as did I 44:10.970 --> 44:13.430 but it was um 44:14.290 --> 44:15.630 In my opinion 44:16.270 --> 44:20.810 They came because they knew he was going to be running for president and no hate or whatever 44:21.530 --> 44:26.830 That they bought the radio station that we were on for god like three times when it was worth 44:27.610 --> 44:30.230 Just to clear the deck for mccain 44:31.150 --> 44:37.370 That was my opinion. Okay. What was your opinion? Well, let me tell you this since you brought up john mccain 44:37.990 --> 44:40.050 I have a piece that's on the 44:40.650 --> 44:41.910 the libertarian institute 44:42.510 --> 44:46.250 Front page. I think that's probably two or three articles down 44:47.050 --> 44:49.910 In the last couple days and on anti war dot com 44:51.490 --> 44:53.910 The in not probably I think it was on friday 44:53.910 --> 44:56.050 So you may have to go back a couple of days to find it 44:56.050 --> 45:00.270 But it's called a combat envy in the strange case of john mccain 45:01.090 --> 45:04.570 And you'll remember this because you are in phoenix, but this is a great story 45:04.570 --> 45:07.030 It's going to eat up a little time and I don't know whether I should 45:07.450 --> 45:12.170 You know impose. Oh, man till you're born aboard. Well, it's so interesting 45:12.930 --> 45:15.890 when uh, when when john mccain 45:16.650 --> 45:19.130 Was looking for a congressional seat 45:19.130 --> 45:25.410 He was looking for a place a good district and he rolled into arizona thinking that uh, you know, there was a 45:25.410 --> 45:30.690 I remember it all as it happened. He bought a house in tempe for cash 45:31.270 --> 45:32.470 because there was a 45:33.430 --> 45:37.630 Not more than a possibility. There was a certainty that there's going to be a primary for the the 45:37.630 --> 45:39.530 incumbent was not rerunning 45:39.530 --> 45:44.690 And there was going to be a primary and he hoped to win the primary and be elected to congress in this 45:44.690 --> 45:46.870 highly republican district so 45:47.550 --> 45:49.030 He blew into town in 82 45:49.750 --> 45:56.650 And uh, he was quickly adopted by the publisher of the big newspapers in arizona the arizona republic and the phoenix gazette 45:56.650 --> 45:58.510 And I mean they had the weight 45:58.510 --> 46:04.330 They had the muscle, you know newspapers don't have the muscle like they did but think about this. This was 18 46:05.050 --> 46:06.810 2838 for this 46:06.810 --> 46:11.290 45 years ago or something and they had the muscle in fact the publisher 46:11.290 --> 46:14.870 Of the arizona republic was a guy named daryl tully duke tully 46:14.870 --> 46:19.890 They called him the duke and everybody kind of feared him and because he used a heavy hand to run that 46:20.430 --> 46:24.210 Station and you know anybody got in his way on civic issues and stuff 46:24.210 --> 46:28.650 He pounded he'd have them pounded in the editorial pages and stuff 46:28.650 --> 46:34.790 He was not you didn't want him for an enemy and he went on to say I tell them I tell arizona 46:34.790 --> 46:37.210 What to think I mean he was quite full of himself 46:37.950 --> 46:39.950 So when mccain blew into town 46:41.490 --> 46:48.070 He and duke tully got to know one another and it was like an instant bond between the two of them. It was uh, 46:48.150 --> 46:49.050 it was 46:49.630 --> 46:50.110 the 46:50.730 --> 46:53.370 former prisoner of war john mccain fighter pilot 46:54.490 --> 47:00.710 Annapolis graduate son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral and duke tully and the thing is about duke 47:00.710 --> 47:05.210 Tully was that he was you know something of a war hero too because he he flew 47:05.210 --> 47:10.710 I think a hundred combat missions. He flew combat missions. I believe in korea 47:10.710 --> 47:15.750 He flew as many as a hundred combat-ish missions in vietnam. He was air force 47:16.890 --> 47:19.010 And you know, he liked to talk about it 47:19.010 --> 47:23.770 He would show up at military meetings dinners inaugural balls or whatever they were in his 47:23.770 --> 47:28.650 In his full dress uniform a lieutenant colonel star-spangled medals all over his chest 47:28.650 --> 47:33.310 And so on and uh, you know pictures on his wall and the 47:33.850 --> 47:38.990 The medals that he won and so he and mccain they were like a moth to a flame 47:39.650 --> 47:41.810 The only problem is that duke tully 47:42.830 --> 47:46.270 Had a severe case of what I call combat envy 47:46.950 --> 47:52.710 And that is what drew him to mccain because duke tully had never been in the air force 47:53.190 --> 47:59.210 He didn't fly fighters. He had never been in korea. He'd never flown missions in 47:59.870 --> 48:07.170 Um in vietnam all the medals the distinguished flying crosses or whatever they were the combat medals 48:07.170 --> 48:11.990 The bravery medals and stuff that he wore they had pinned up on his walls all fake 48:12.630 --> 48:21.110 And the story finally came out just like the story came out of brian williams that he had been faking this fraud for 30 years 48:21.790 --> 48:27.350 And uh when when the story hit, you know, he resigned in utter disgrace. It was hugely scandalous 48:27.350 --> 48:33.390 And it was more so because he'd been such a mean sob to anybody that disagreed with him over anything 48:33.390 --> 48:39.310 You know, so they all enjoyed dog python when he was disgraced and he checked himself into a mental institution 48:40.450 --> 48:42.010 And uh, um 48:42.010 --> 48:48.170 And but but anyway, here's the backstory and i've talked to people i've talked to executives at the newspaper and other people 48:48.170 --> 48:49.790 That were close to the situation and stuff 48:50.350 --> 48:55.910 How did john mccain john mccain is as I say in an apples graduate an actual fighter pilot 48:55.910 --> 49:00.210 An actual, you know spent time in the military. He was an actual 49:00.210 --> 49:01.110 Had he not know 49:01.110 --> 49:03.730 Yeah, how could he not know 49:03.730 --> 49:09.410 That this guy was lying all the time and duke duke tully. They were so close the family's vacation together 49:10.450 --> 49:14.770 um mccain's ubiquitous pop media daughter megan mccain is uh 49:14.770 --> 49:18.930 Duke tully's goddaughter. He was her godfather. So 49:19.530 --> 49:24.510 They were so close their families were close. How could he have not known the lies? Well, of course the answer is 49:24.510 --> 49:28.850 You know anybody with two brain cells would have known the lies. I mean, how could he keep the story up? 49:28.850 --> 49:33.490 You know if somebody told me i've been in radio all my life somebody said oh, I was in radio when you were in radio 49:33.490 --> 49:35.730 Oh, where were you? Oh, did you know so-and-so? 49:36.650 --> 49:41.350 Uh, yeah, I can't remember the name. I think I worked with him some you know 49:41.350 --> 49:43.250 I mean they makes the hub you see right through it 49:43.650 --> 49:44.050 So 49:44.570 --> 49:49.090 Anyway, how could mccain not know? Well, of course, he didn't want to know because he was exploiting 49:49.630 --> 49:51.930 uh, you know this uh 49:51.930 --> 49:53.170 combat envy 49:53.790 --> 49:55.570 And mccain was his personal 49:55.570 --> 49:55.950 I mean 49:55.950 --> 50:00.270 Duke tully was his personal campaign manager effectively he introduced in all the 50:00.270 --> 50:06.750 You know the rich and famous and the phoenix 40 the big powerful interest group and you know raised money for him 50:06.750 --> 50:10.290 And he gave him you know had the editorial staff singing his praises all the time 50:10.290 --> 50:11.790 So mccain ended up 50:11.790 --> 50:17.530 Eeking out a very narrow win in a crowded primary. I think there were five candidates or some candidates had been 50:17.530 --> 50:22.970 You know proven reliable and something of a track record of being honest with the american people 50:22.970 --> 50:26.510 And being good principled conservatives that you thought wouldn't lie to you and stuff 50:26.510 --> 50:30.050 But he beat them all out and then it was an easy general election. So he was elected 50:30.650 --> 50:31.530 elected to the 50:32.210 --> 50:38.130 elected to the to congress and eventually moved up and was elected to uh to senate so 50:38.830 --> 50:41.990 Anyway, how did he not know about Duke tully's lies? 50:42.450 --> 50:46.890 Well, he never really said and nobody can explain it because it's not explainable 50:46.890 --> 50:52.850 But this is the same syndrome of uh, uh, of uh, you know combat envy playing its way out 50:52.970 --> 50:53.670 and so now 50:54.310 --> 51:00.070 You know that wait one one thing one thing we now we not only have mccain, but we have his offspring in the form of lindsay 51:00.070 --> 51:01.910 Uh, lindsay graham 51:01.910 --> 51:07.290 Who piled around with him and stood in mccain shadow all the time and wanted to be like mccain and then mccain died 51:07.290 --> 51:13.050 He became like mccain and stuff and it's gotten so bad lindsay graham is so crazed in his warmongering 51:13.690 --> 51:18.270 You know we're going around the world. We're overthrowing dictators and we're we're we're 51:18.270 --> 51:22.330 Oh man, it's just like it's insane and even megan mccain 51:22.990 --> 51:29.350 Said on x the other day somebody's got to rain in lindsay graham. He's scaring everybody because he's so 51:30.270 --> 51:34.950 Totally unhinged and it's true, but this is the same syndrome and that's you know 51:34.950 --> 51:39.710 Kind of what we were up against in uh in arizona that you know in opposing 51:40.390 --> 51:44.410 In opposing the war you had a state republican party that was all formongers 51:44.410 --> 51:48.610 You know over the years many of them have you know figured it out 51:49.190 --> 51:52.650 But it wasn't really even even when ron paul 51:53.550 --> 51:59.430 Said in the 2007 debate, you know that uh, you know, we just marched in and we could just march out 52:00.190 --> 52:06.050 Um, you know and if we had listened to him in 2007 we'd already been in the war from I guess four years at that point 52:06.050 --> 52:07.610 But we were in it for total nine 52:08.070 --> 52:10.430 Even at that point if we had listened to ron paul then 52:10.970 --> 52:15.050 We would have ended with the same outcome that we ended with uh years later 52:15.050 --> 52:17.830 But it would have saved a thousand american lives 52:18.250 --> 52:20.770 It would have saved probably 40 000 52:21.610 --> 52:27.290 Innocent non-combatant iraqi lives. It would have saved the american people one and a half trillion dollars if we'd just done 52:27.290 --> 52:30.270 with john mccain's I mean that what what uh 52:30.990 --> 52:35.530 Ron paul said and marked out it at that time, but of course we didn't do it 52:35.530 --> 52:39.990 It wasn't in in my view ernie. It wasn't until for some reason 52:41.050 --> 52:43.290 donald trump came down the elevator in 52:44.670 --> 52:45.970 2016 or 17 52:46.730 --> 52:47.490 Summer 15 52:48.050 --> 52:52.670 And uh said he was running and he was you know set on the first presidential debate 52:52.670 --> 52:56.350 Yeah, you know, they lied us into war. It was all a lie and stuff 52:56.350 --> 52:59.610 But the american it was that that was the moment that was like 53:00.190 --> 53:03.930 Yeah, it was like uh, the emperor has no clothes somebody 53:04.570 --> 53:07.270 Had the courage to say it besides ron paul 53:07.890 --> 53:11.470 And uh, he said it and the american people started nodding their head 53:11.470 --> 53:15.710 Well, it'd be hard to deny it by 2011 or 12. It was that it was all a lie 53:15.710 --> 53:20.630 not many people would be able to hold on that tightly to the fabrications, but uh 53:21.470 --> 53:24.630 There there you work. Can I tell the fabrication or two by those guys? 53:25.890 --> 53:29.050 Oh, man, you you you go your entertainment man go 53:29.570 --> 53:33.550 Okay. Well, here's here's a good fabrication. There are so many. Oh, I'll tell you another one 53:33.550 --> 53:35.690 I'll tell you about bush's daddy the first president bush 53:36.850 --> 53:41.590 So the american people didn't want to go into the gulf war 53:41.590 --> 53:45.530 You this was when this was when saddam hussein was our guy 53:46.290 --> 53:51.270 When he wanted to he had a beef with kuwait about them slant drilling and taking stealing the 53:52.090 --> 53:56.810 Iraqi oil whatever his beef was he was our guy. I mean look the CIA 53:57.610 --> 54:04.370 Put the bath party hussein's party in power in iraq and hussein came along with him 54:04.370 --> 54:09.050 He was our guy and when he wanted to we had squabble with kuwait and wanted to invade 54:09.050 --> 54:15.550 He went to our ambassador to get our ambassador's approval before he did anything because everybody's forgotten 54:15.550 --> 54:18.910 But saddam hussein was our guy. Look we gave him illegal 54:21.570 --> 54:22.530 Precursors and 54:23.170 --> 54:29.670 material support in the use of illegal biological and chemical weapons in his war with aran that we 54:29.670 --> 54:31.790 helped fund and provided 54:32.450 --> 54:34.410 You know intelligence for and 54:35.570 --> 54:36.290 Access to 54:36.290 --> 54:41.130 Access to illegal by our own standards weapons. So he was our guy and he went to the ambassador 54:41.130 --> 54:44.850 She said well, we don't take we don't have any, you know, air of air of the problems 54:44.850 --> 54:46.110 We don't take any issue of that 54:46.650 --> 54:49.150 Basically, that was a wink and a nod that he saw it 54:49.150 --> 54:53.730 So it was a sign as he saw it that you know, he could go ahead and invade kuwait. So 54:55.870 --> 54:59.570 When bush was thinking about taking this in and he wasn't thinking about it at first 54:59.570 --> 55:05.050 Margaret thatcher had to you know, encourage him at a meeting and uh, I think it was an aspen 55:05.050 --> 55:10.170 She said he said oh, george don't go wobbly on us now and he'd been fighting that wimp image 55:10.170 --> 55:11.950 You know people said oh george bush was a wimp and 55:12.450 --> 55:17.030 Senior and he didn't want to be thought it was a wimp. So even margaret thatcher said you got a man up 55:17.030 --> 55:20.910 You know, okay, I guess I have to have to start this war. So 55:21.770 --> 55:24.970 But the american people weren't buying it and why should they be buying it? 55:25.050 --> 55:29.270 Why should they send their loved ones their fathers and brothers and mothers and daughters even 55:29.870 --> 55:32.370 sisters husbands wives off to this war because 55:32.370 --> 55:38.170 Here's what the kuwaiti royal family was doing while we were arming up to send our guys to bite and die 55:38.770 --> 55:42.910 The kuwaiti royal family was chartering. Well, they didn't have to charter jets. They had their own 55:42.910 --> 55:45.870 They were flying off to switzerland to go disco dancing 55:47.510 --> 55:52.770 So but the americans were gearing up to go over there and do battle on their behalf while they were having a good time in 55:52.770 --> 55:55.410 CERN or Lodano or whatever they went so 55:56.990 --> 56:01.070 Anyway, they the american people still weren't buying the war. They hadn't sold it to us 56:01.070 --> 56:02.590 They had they had to figure out a way 56:02.590 --> 56:07.470 How could they sell that iraq war to the american people and they finally came up with this 56:07.470 --> 56:10.730 These are these are the product of a you know a lot of 56:11.150 --> 56:13.630 Thinking in white house, you know, they got to come up with a way 56:13.630 --> 56:15.690 How are you going to stampede the american people in the war? 56:16.030 --> 56:19.390 And so this is what they came up with they came up with it 56:20.030 --> 56:21.710 Well now that Saddam's in Kuwait 56:21.710 --> 56:25.110 He's on the verge of destroying western civilization 56:25.590 --> 56:31.210 He has I don't remember the numbers, but it's something like he has 15,000 troops 56:32.190 --> 56:38.870 And no a big part. I think he's they said he had 200,000 troops and 15,000 tanks now 56:38.870 --> 56:43.370 Right on the verge of Saudi Arabia right on the border and he's ready to roll in 56:43.370 --> 56:48.470 That's his next move after Kuwait. He's going to roll into Saudi Arabia. That's the end of western civilization 56:48.470 --> 56:52.150 We depend on them for petroleum. They'll take that country no more gasoline 56:52.150 --> 56:53.570 You won't be able to drive to work 56:53.570 --> 57:00.070 You know you everything will come to a halt in america and western civilization dies because you wouldn't give the government 57:00.070 --> 57:07.690 Your support to go in to go and so they used a very real threat people took the threat of oh no more petroleum for americans 57:07.690 --> 57:09.070 They took that very seriously 57:09.670 --> 57:10.010 but 57:10.990 --> 57:11.950 one reporter 57:12.470 --> 57:17.450 At a little newspaper in st. Petersburg, florida thought well, that's interesting. Let's go see 57:18.130 --> 57:25.730 So she hired the satellite time. You could rent surveillance satellite time. She hired the satellite time and she hired american 57:26.290 --> 57:26.810 satellite 57:27.850 --> 57:31.010 Photography analysts to go through it all with the pictures came in 57:31.530 --> 57:37.630 And again, they could see everything I could see you know american fighters on the on the bases in riyadh, Saudi Arabia 57:37.630 --> 57:41.490 They could see you know where Saddam was in the Kuwait or wherever 57:41.490 --> 57:43.790 But guess what no 57:44.870 --> 57:51.390 Troops on the border of Saudi Arabia. No tanks. No supply lines. No quarters for the people 57:51.390 --> 57:54.910 No roads that have been used for anything. That was all a lie 57:54.910 --> 57:59.250 And it was discovered not by the you know major resources of nbc cbs 58:00.190 --> 58:00.630 abc 58:00.630 --> 58:03.810 Washington Post new york times news week got the out of time magazine 58:04.310 --> 58:06.890 But not by them but by a little reporter in st. Petersburg 58:06.890 --> 58:10.450 And so she kept trying to hold the administration's feet to the fire kept calling 58:11.390 --> 58:14.170 Cheney's office. What are you saying about this a pretty serious lie? 58:14.450 --> 58:19.830 And they just said trust us about it. Trust us about it. So this is this is how they get away with it 58:19.830 --> 58:21.750 But i'll give you another one from 58:22.390 --> 58:24.210 the george w bush 58:24.770 --> 58:27.730 Iraq war the first one's the gulf war the second one's the 58:27.730 --> 58:29.730 iraq war and they 58:30.390 --> 58:31.650 They had a group 58:32.470 --> 58:35.190 In the white house doing the same thing trying to figure out 58:35.190 --> 58:38.030 How do we sell this war to the american people and they spent a year 58:38.470 --> 58:42.830 Trying to soften the people up and propagandize them about all the reasons for this war 58:42.830 --> 58:46.730 So they had a group in the white house. It was called the white house iraq group 58:46.730 --> 58:51.550 That considered the ways the story that they could tell how they could package this in a way that would be 58:51.550 --> 58:57.170 Talable for the american people to go to war in iraq, which the people didn't really want to go to war in iraq 58:57.170 --> 58:59.050 And so they came up with 59:00.090 --> 59:03.270 Well, we don't want to see the fight, you know weapons of mass destruction 59:03.270 --> 59:04.830 We don't want to see the final evidence 59:05.390 --> 59:10.190 Of a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud and that was the tagline 59:10.190 --> 59:14.270 You know final evidence smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud 59:14.270 --> 59:19.070 Who is the white house iraq group were these guys that you know had some knowledge about the presence and the 59:19.070 --> 59:22.210 Feasibility of nuclear weapons based on the information. No 59:22.210 --> 59:28.330 Were they generals that understood, you know that it's been their lives understanding, you know nuclear exchanges and the damage 59:28.330 --> 59:30.750 No, it was nobody like that 59:30.750 --> 59:34.510 They were all spin meisters the white house iraq group was spin meisters 59:34.830 --> 59:36.830 They were pollsters. They were 59:37.610 --> 59:41.590 Advertising guys. They were guys that wrote talking points 59:41.590 --> 59:44.790 They there wasn't an expert about anything in there whatsoever 59:44.790 --> 59:47.430 But they came up with a smoking gun form of mushroom cloud 59:47.430 --> 59:53.690 And so the administration used that to terrorize the american people. Oh, yeah, we've got to go to war because smoking gun 59:54.250 --> 59:56.230 In the form of a mushroom cloud 59:56.230 --> 01:00:02.970 So even then the people were a little reluctant to buy it and so they would come up with this things these things like 01:00:03.970 --> 01:00:08.010 Oh, this was a really good one. They came up with these aluminum tubes 01:00:08.010 --> 01:00:15.350 They found that iraq had these aluminum tubes and these aluminum tubes were part of the, you know, uh refining process 01:00:15.930 --> 01:00:18.190 Of uh uranium preparation 01:00:18.930 --> 01:00:20.930 Yeah, aluminum tubes, you know 01:00:22.050 --> 01:00:26.090 Sontrafuges that they're needed. This is how they this is how they refine the 01:00:26.090 --> 01:00:30.350 Uranium into a state that can be used to weaponize and they can get down to 20 percent 01:00:30.350 --> 01:00:34.210 But eventually they'll get it to 60 percent because they have these aluminum tubes now 01:00:34.770 --> 01:00:41.650 Our own department of energy guys that are actually in the business of uh, things like sontrafuges and aluminum tubes and refining uranium 01:00:41.650 --> 01:00:47.970 Said sorry. No, no can do these aluminum. They don't work. They don't fit. They don't configure. No, they're not part of that 01:00:47.970 --> 01:00:51.390 They wouldn't work or not they're not unrelated. Sorry 01:00:51.390 --> 01:00:54.430 That was our own department of energy guys that are in that business 01:00:54.990 --> 01:00:58.830 But it didn't matter to the deep state. So in dick cheney's office 01:00:59.530 --> 01:01:01.010 He and scooter livy 01:01:01.790 --> 01:01:07.370 Sit down and package up this story about these aluminum tubes and why this is the this is that we've 01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:11.110 Final piece of evidence. We've nailed it down their words. Not mine 01:01:11.110 --> 01:01:13.630 We've nailed it down final piece of evidence now 01:01:13.630 --> 01:01:18.830 We're on the way to smoking gun and foreign mushroom cloud and they package this story about the non feasible 01:01:18.830 --> 01:01:25.330 Non-functional inappropriate aluminum tubes and they package it up as a great threat and they sold it to the new york times 01:01:25.870 --> 01:01:26.170 so 01:01:26.810 --> 01:01:31.850 Now this is a brilliant play that these guys pull off and they do it all the time and they do it to this day 01:01:31.850 --> 01:01:38.170 So the deep state and by the deep state i mean in this case, uh, you know scooter livy and dick cheney working underground 01:01:38.650 --> 01:01:44.470 They deep state package this thing this thing up and they sell it to the lapdog press the new york times 01:01:45.030 --> 01:01:53.030 the lapdog press in the form of judeff miller by the way who had been relying on a uh, uh on a uh 01:01:53.030 --> 01:01:57.790 On a bank in bezler named akma chalabi who the neocons wanted to put in charge 01:01:58.470 --> 01:02:02.490 Of uh, iraq once we invaded akma chalabi who had lied to us 01:02:02.490 --> 01:02:09.070 About all these weapons of mass destruction and the administration of new york times. Yeah, what was his nick name curveball or something? 01:02:09.250 --> 01:02:13.430 No, curveball was another guy could get back to him and curveball was another drunk 01:02:13.910 --> 01:02:19.850 But uh, akma chalabi was the guy they totally relied on on him for information at the new york times 01:02:19.850 --> 01:02:23.850 And mccain speaking mccain. Oh, oh, yeah, he became a favorite 01:02:23.850 --> 01:02:29.930 You know mccain, uh, loved akma chalabi all the neocons loved akma chalabi because he was telling the stories about the weapons 01:02:29.930 --> 01:02:34.530 And he was after all the guy that we would put in and everything would be fine in iraq so 01:02:35.190 --> 01:02:39.250 Judith miller had been running his fraudulent stories for a very long time 01:02:39.250 --> 01:02:44.350 So she took the new story about the aluminum tubes and it showed up under her byline 01:02:44.350 --> 01:02:49.270 I think she had a co-writer on a sunday morning on the front page of the big wide circulation 01:02:49.270 --> 01:02:53.510 New york times look aluminum tubes they held down the evidence 01:02:53.510 --> 01:02:58.550 Smoky gun for a mushroom pot. So it shows up there now. Here's the perfect part of the play 01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:02.930 Dick chaining shows up that same morning 01:03:03.430 --> 01:03:09.690 On meet the prep why meet the press well even his own advisors said we like to go and meet the prep because it allows us to fold 01:03:09.690 --> 01:03:10.090 spit 01:03:10.930 --> 01:03:14.890 So he shows up that sunday morning on meet the press and he says 01:03:15.630 --> 01:03:19.410 So help me hurry. He says aluminum tubes 01:03:21.070 --> 01:03:22.110 Uranium processing 01:03:22.770 --> 01:03:24.170 nailed down the evidence 01:03:24.910 --> 01:03:29.590 Final evidence smoky gun for a mushroom cloud and this is what we found and they've got these 01:03:29.590 --> 01:03:33.570 These aluminum tubes and then he says and this is the peace theory response 01:03:34.210 --> 01:03:35.070 he says 01:03:35.830 --> 01:03:41.450 But don't take it from me. Here it is on the front page of the new york times this morning 01:03:42.690 --> 01:03:46.550 So it's you know the deep state plants the store in the news media the news 01:03:46.550 --> 01:03:50.330 We're repacking just if they feed it back to the deep state deep state feeds it 01:03:50.330 --> 01:03:55.170 You know to another lapdog press and the american people are the victims of all don't don't take it 01:03:55.170 --> 01:03:59.810 You know, there's another tactic to this also that I found interesting 01:04:00.350 --> 01:04:01.570 that it was 01:04:02.370 --> 01:04:02.850 illegal 01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:07.690 To propagandize lie to the american people 01:04:08.220 --> 01:04:14.150 So what they would do is they would get you know rupert murdoch had newspapers around the planet or whatever 01:04:14.150 --> 01:04:22.010 They'd have it planted in some australian paper that then they could replicate what australia paper said 01:04:22.010 --> 01:04:26.570 You know that we didn't get probably just reporting what they said then they go on the 01:04:27.290 --> 01:04:29.810 Sunday morning shows and go oh 01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:35.490 Look at the headline of here from uh, you know, new york times from australia from, you know, the pentagon 01:04:35.490 --> 01:04:41.090 I mean, you know, it's it it's my specialty. Ernie. I write about this stuff an empire of lies fragments from the memory hole 01:04:41.090 --> 01:04:43.990 It's my specialty. Let me fill in a gap or could because it's please 01:04:45.510 --> 01:04:46.390 Freaking believable 01:04:46.870 --> 01:04:51.590 So in uh fomen and you know, and I'm sorry that for your younger viewers and listeners 01:04:51.590 --> 01:04:55.790 You know, this is the iraq war and that was in 2003 that started didn't 01:04:55.790 --> 01:05:01.570 Crap going on now till 2011, but it's the same modus operandi. It's the same thing going on 01:05:01.570 --> 01:05:05.170 You know, uh, donnell rumsfeld told us then, you know, oh this war will go on 01:05:05.730 --> 01:05:09.950 Six days, maybe six weeks. I doubt six months. Well, they do the same thing now 01:05:09.950 --> 01:05:12.970 I think it was hey says that well, we'll be there, you know, five days five weeks 01:05:13.530 --> 01:05:19.090 Yeah, the war's gonna pay for a shelf with all. Oh, yeah, it's the same thing over and over again. So, uh 01:05:19.570 --> 01:05:22.630 This was one of the uh, you know, if so 01:05:22.630 --> 01:05:25.170 So that you would buy the nuclear arms story 01:05:25.810 --> 01:05:31.530 They came up with this account of saddam hussein trying so desperately to build these nuclear weapons 01:05:31.530 --> 01:05:37.470 That he had that he was buying yellow cake a precursor to uranium that he would use to make his 01:05:37.470 --> 01:05:40.970 His weapons of mass destruction and he was buying 01:05:41.990 --> 01:05:45.130 Yellow cake from niger where it is produced in africa 01:05:45.130 --> 01:05:50.270 So they came up with this big story about you know, yellow cake this proves his intentions and you know 01:05:50.270 --> 01:05:54.110 It's another it's another nail in the coffin. We got the story. We got the story done to rights 01:05:54.650 --> 01:05:54.910 so 01:05:56.050 --> 01:06:00.250 Yellow cake that was the story and how did they verify the story? 01:06:00.250 --> 01:06:01.330 They had a letter 01:06:02.250 --> 01:06:02.770 from 01:06:03.390 --> 01:06:05.870 an official of niger 01:06:06.570 --> 01:06:12.610 Talking about it talking about, you know, this attempt by uh, saddam hussein in iraq to buy yellow cake 01:06:13.150 --> 01:06:14.810 But the only problem is 01:06:15.490 --> 01:06:17.030 That it was a fraud 01:06:17.650 --> 01:06:22.790 Somebody wanted now think about this, you know, I don't have to point any figures. Everybody knows how this works 01:06:23.370 --> 01:06:24.650 somebody wanted war 01:06:25.290 --> 01:06:29.530 With iraq for their own reasons wasn't yellow cake because they knew it wasn't true 01:06:29.530 --> 01:06:34.170 They wanted war badly enough and they want people to die because that's a component of it 01:06:34.170 --> 01:06:39.210 You can't get away from that and they want to destroy property and the prosperity and the well-being of 01:06:39.950 --> 01:06:44.670 Hundreds of thousands of people they wanted war badly enough that they're willing to forge documents 01:06:44.670 --> 01:06:50.110 And traffic them through the international intelligence agency community to make the case for the war 01:06:50.110 --> 01:06:53.730 But as I said a high school kid could have figured out that this document was a fraud 01:06:53.730 --> 01:06:58.310 Now the intelligence agencies didn't because they were you know, like our own intelligence agency 01:06:58.310 --> 01:07:03.010 They're on board they're not going to blow the whistle on a fraud that's helping them sell the war that they want to sell 01:07:03.010 --> 01:07:09.550 But a high school kid wouldn't realize there are signatures on this document for people that weren't in the government at the time the document is dated 01:07:09.550 --> 01:07:13.230 You know, there are I mean it was so obviously a forgery 01:07:13.230 --> 01:07:17.090 It didn't take the iaea 15 minutes to figure out it was a forgery 01:07:17.090 --> 01:07:22.250 But by then it was too late, but somebody wanted war enough to circulate this forgery. So here's what happens 01:07:23.770 --> 01:07:26.830 They know it's sketchy like the people in the white house 01:07:26.830 --> 01:07:28.610 Know that it's sketchy 01:07:29.170 --> 01:07:30.210 so the president 01:07:31.210 --> 01:07:37.250 Goes on it's not just that you know, it shows up in the newspaper or some official says it or arry fleischer lies about it 01:07:37.250 --> 01:07:43.690 Like he lied about everything it's so sketchy that the president goes on the state of the union address 01:07:44.350 --> 01:07:46.630 And he refers to this, you know 01:07:46.630 --> 01:07:52.470 Attempt to buy yellow cake from these air, but he sources it to british intelligence so that there's no 01:07:52.470 --> 01:07:58.870 You know, there's no response and we have learned from british intelligence or from british intelligence sources 01:07:58.870 --> 01:08:00.950 That they have are acquiring 01:08:01.950 --> 01:08:06.710 They they know it's a fraud bush eventually had to drop it because it was so much of a fraud 01:08:06.710 --> 01:08:11.730 But people in the administration kept using it at major gatherings and stuff whenever they could even though 01:08:11.730 --> 01:08:16.350 Even though even george tenet that dimwit had told them don't use that that's such a fraud 01:08:16.350 --> 01:08:20.450 Everybody knows at this point, you know six months in after they've been saying everybody knows it's a fraud 01:08:20.450 --> 01:08:25.850 But they kept they kept using it, but they source it to somebody else that gives them plausible deniability 01:08:25.850 --> 01:08:30.210 Well, we're just doing what the british said, you know, so we didn't know ourselves 01:08:30.210 --> 01:08:34.410 But they're good allies and we have reasons to trust them in most things if they made a mistake 01:08:34.410 --> 01:08:35.770 At least it wasn't us 01:08:36.290 --> 01:08:40.110 so I mean but this stuff goes on all the time and 01:08:40.110 --> 01:08:46.270 The american people are going to be led around by the nose and to their slaughter the ruination of their liberty 01:08:46.270 --> 01:08:49.650 The ruination of their prosperity the ruination of their future 01:08:50.450 --> 01:08:53.350 As long as they're willing to tolerate these lies 01:08:53.350 --> 01:08:56.670 and of course one of the reasons they're not willing to tolerate the lies because 01:08:56.670 --> 01:09:03.730 If the other side lies if you're an r and the d guy lies you want to beat the snot out of him 01:09:03.730 --> 01:09:05.870 You want to pound him on social media? 01:09:06.210 --> 01:09:09.310 You want to you know pick at him or whatever that you want to pound him? 01:09:09.590 --> 01:09:14.050 But if your guy lies you look away and if the r guy lies 01:09:14.530 --> 01:09:18.830 The democrats want to beat the snot out of him and they want to go on social media 01:09:18.830 --> 01:09:22.790 And they want to make a big thing about it. They want to write letters to the editor and they want to complain about it 01:09:22.790 --> 01:09:25.190 And they want to have demonstrations in this town hall 01:09:26.490 --> 01:09:29.050 But until the american people mature 01:09:29.630 --> 01:09:31.770 And they figure out that the r's 01:09:31.770 --> 01:09:38.010 ought to be responsible for cleaning up the r's house and not tolerating the liars in their own party because it's 01:09:38.010 --> 01:09:39.250 It stains them 01:09:39.790 --> 01:09:44.850 It harms their credibility. I think it hurts your soul, you know, if they tolerate liars 01:09:44.850 --> 01:09:46.890 But they don't care charles 01:09:48.450 --> 01:09:49.870 They just don't care 01:09:50.490 --> 01:09:58.310 They don't care. They care afterwards. They care. What do they care about? What is it that you're doing are they offering up souls to 01:09:58.310 --> 01:09:59.150 You know 01:10:02.010 --> 01:10:04.090 It's not even I don't think it's even that deep 01:10:04.090 --> 01:10:09.510 We are on the road right now for and that it's it's been coming for a long time 01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:12.490 But this ranting is triggering a massive massive 01:10:13.950 --> 01:10:17.630 Crisis it's much bigger than the price of oil is a massive crisis 01:10:17.630 --> 01:10:22.710 It's you know a key break of the american military empire. It's a key break of our prosperity 01:10:22.710 --> 01:10:26.710 It's a break of the dollar it is a massive crisis and the american people 01:10:27.190 --> 01:10:28.270 are going to suffer 01:10:29.190 --> 01:10:34.470 A kind of stagflation they'll I'm having a debate with one guy. He says they'll see it in the fall 01:10:34.470 --> 01:10:37.830 I don't think you can wait till fall. You're going to see it in you're going to see this summer 01:10:37.830 --> 01:10:43.610 You know massive price inflation and things things like food. Oh sure. It's visible in fuel now 01:10:43.610 --> 01:10:47.610 Everybody sees it in fuel first. We should see it in food and other things 01:10:48.330 --> 01:10:50.290 later, but they're going to suffer a 01:10:50.290 --> 01:10:50.990 massive 01:10:51.650 --> 01:10:54.410 massive loss of their prosperity and their freedom 01:10:54.930 --> 01:11:00.470 And then on the other side when they have chance to think about it when they have chance to reflect 01:11:01.110 --> 01:11:05.190 Then they'll start, you know seeking out the truth or being willing to listen to the truth 01:11:05.190 --> 01:11:12.610 I mean, I know people I was so surprised that all of the maga people not all of them, but maybe half of the maga people 01:11:14.550 --> 01:11:19.330 You know having elected trump on the no more regime change wars and 01:11:19.910 --> 01:11:23.170 You know america for americans and we'll use our money to build up america 01:11:23.170 --> 01:11:30.630 But when he changed when he wanted to do venezuela, for example half of the maga people go. Yeah. Yeah, right on chest uppers 01:11:30.630 --> 01:11:33.850 We're all for it. You know, let's uh make the world safe for dr 01:11:34.750 --> 01:11:37.590 So at the time they go whichever way the wind blows 01:11:37.590 --> 01:11:41.990 But when they have to pay the bill and they will and it's going to start this summer 01:11:41.990 --> 01:11:45.230 When they have to pay the will and they see their children's futures 01:11:47.350 --> 01:11:52.770 Substantially diminished in their own lives and their retirements ruined and so on when they experience all that 01:11:52.770 --> 01:11:55.330 They won't at first believe it on their own stupidity 01:11:55.330 --> 01:11:59.930 They won't believe it on their own naivete that they supported this guy when he was lying to him 01:11:59.930 --> 01:12:03.830 They supported him when he said he was going to do a but when he did b you kept supporting him 01:12:04.470 --> 01:12:06.310 They they're not going to see it that way 01:12:06.950 --> 01:12:12.450 For a while, but eventually they'll start assimilating it and it'll be like, you know a lot of people now 01:12:12.990 --> 01:12:19.530 You know believe that we were lied into world war two that pearl harbor was a known event a lot of people 01:12:19.530 --> 01:12:21.190 you know believe that uh 01:12:22.030 --> 01:12:22.310 that 01:12:23.030 --> 01:12:24.330 Oh like vietnam 01:12:25.110 --> 01:12:28.570 Was a joke everybody knows that now that we were lied into iraq 01:12:28.570 --> 01:12:34.530 So they'll see it afterwards when it's basically too late to go back and repair everything that they'll see it later 01:12:34.530 --> 01:12:35.450 And then they'll understand 01:12:35.450 --> 01:12:39.510 But the question is will they remember it the next time and that's why I wrote the book 01:12:39.510 --> 01:12:41.090 It's the empire of lies 01:12:41.090 --> 01:12:47.610 So you learn it while it's going on right before your eyes so that you will remember it and maybe we can reclaim our free 01:12:47.610 --> 01:12:48.010 republican 01:12:48.510 --> 01:12:54.170 And uh, you know, maybe if enough people wake up and maybe we can't you know, there is a tactic 01:12:54.830 --> 01:12:56.410 there is a mechanism 01:12:56.980 --> 01:13:02.690 To this and one of the things just recently a few days ago. We put this up 01:13:04.130 --> 01:13:07.010 It was planet mine control 01:13:07.770 --> 01:13:13.310 Documentary, you know, it was just out and it reminded me of a 01:13:13.940 --> 01:13:16.830 I don't know. It's a at least an hour or two hours 01:13:17.380 --> 01:13:23.670 And it was just all the things that you're talking about as a as a weaponized mechanism 01:13:24.290 --> 01:13:26.470 And I got it from 01:13:27.030 --> 01:13:29.790 Uh, it was a amaryllis kennedy 01:13:30.030 --> 01:13:30.590 Is 01:13:32.150 --> 01:13:37.450 Well, I I first saw her on tucker carlson 01:13:37.870 --> 01:13:40.090 Like october before the election 01:13:40.090 --> 01:13:47.870 Yeah, and she married rfk the third was rfk jr's campaign manager 01:13:48.310 --> 01:13:54.130 And when he went trump, she went on tucker talking about, you know, their path to whatever 01:13:54.850 --> 01:13:59.390 Well, she was a cia knock and had married another cia knock 01:13:59.390 --> 01:14:03.490 So they're all cia aid babies and cia aid household of cia 01:14:04.330 --> 01:14:08.190 Then uh, they divorced for whatever reason she marries rfk the third 01:14:08.890 --> 01:14:10.090 well, um 01:14:10.090 --> 01:14:11.110 beautiful woman 01:14:11.870 --> 01:14:12.270 smart 01:14:12.890 --> 01:14:13.250 intelligent 01:14:13.770 --> 01:14:14.710 Great stories 01:14:15.290 --> 01:14:21.470 And then it's an hour and 36 minutes into an hour and 47 minute interview 01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:25.370 So there's like eight nine minutes or she goes, you know 01:14:25.910 --> 01:14:31.230 We recognize this in the cia, you know, this was a 01:14:33.490 --> 01:14:38.310 It's like immersion therapy and if you immerse people in 01:14:39.110 --> 01:14:44.650 This rhetoric this propaganda this mass formation psychosis kind of crap 01:14:45.430 --> 01:14:47.230 That you can create 01:14:48.050 --> 01:14:49.630 Your own reality 01:14:50.570 --> 01:14:57.270 And you get people so immersed in every direction from every blue face device that you're watching the tv 01:14:57.270 --> 01:15:04.250 Your laptop your tablet your phone your friends you get and then you get all of a sudden you're locked down in covet 01:15:04.250 --> 01:15:05.230 You know kind of thing 01:15:05.930 --> 01:15:07.790 And I don't know what the 01:15:08.890 --> 01:15:16.350 Anodote is but it definitely is a weapon that was developed that was understood 01:15:16.750 --> 01:15:24.310 That they deploy all the time and they're doing it again with Iran 01:15:24.810 --> 01:15:33.350 This is why the empire of lies is so timely that you can see the patterns and not only that 01:15:34.270 --> 01:15:36.230 It's the same people 01:15:36.810 --> 01:15:38.730 They just they break, you know 01:15:38.730 --> 01:15:44.930 God, I saw he did that in the 70s, you know, it was rumsfeld and cheney decade after decade 01:15:45.750 --> 01:15:52.270 During this Iran thing. Have you recognized any of the iraq people coming out old? 01:15:53.090 --> 01:15:56.550 Cabinet member well name some of them man, you know 01:15:56.550 --> 01:16:00.490 It was a it was a whole administration wires 01:16:01.030 --> 01:16:05.550 Ari Fleischer I wrote a piece a matter of fact you can find this on either anti war dot com 01:16:06.090 --> 01:16:10.830 Or a libertarian institute. I guess six weeks ago, maybe a month ago 01:16:10.830 --> 01:16:15.470 I don't about Ari Fleischer and uh, you know, the same old lies all over again 01:16:15.470 --> 01:16:20.590 You know fox news a couple weeks ago trotted out condolence arise. I about fell off my chair. Whoa 01:16:21.890 --> 01:16:27.890 You mean they they in I think greenwald said they exhumed or brought her out 01:16:27.890 --> 01:16:31.890 But you know, I posted something on x real quick about you must be kidding me 01:16:31.890 --> 01:16:37.290 You're not freaking out condolence arise again. Are you but they they were so it's all the same old people 01:16:37.290 --> 01:16:39.470 and it's the same old stories and 01:16:39.470 --> 01:16:44.170 You know, they get away with it time after time and I call 01:16:45.190 --> 01:16:46.850 I call the deep state 01:16:47.850 --> 01:16:49.690 Of the executive arm 01:16:50.290 --> 01:16:52.190 Of the global american empire 01:16:52.190 --> 01:16:55.730 So it's the arm that actually makes the things happen 01:16:56.210 --> 01:17:00.370 And you look at, you know, you look at people like condolence arise and uh, 01:17:00.910 --> 01:17:03.550 Our immanuel and george w or arya fleischer 01:17:04.130 --> 01:17:09.750 George w bush and stuff and you think well these guys are the deep state. Well, no, they're really kind of the political class 01:17:09.750 --> 01:17:11.350 They're the governing classes the deep state 01:17:12.030 --> 01:17:18.110 Is consists of well, obviously people at the top of the intelligence community and military intelligence and 01:17:18.570 --> 01:17:22.310 A lot of them at the pentagon, you know, the the pentagon 01:17:23.110 --> 01:17:25.350 Well, I'll skip that part of the story for now 01:17:25.730 --> 01:17:30.450 But a lot of the people in government, but it's not just the guys at the top people think 01:17:31.790 --> 01:17:36.150 They think that, uh, you know, like uh, john brennan former head of the cia 01:17:37.030 --> 01:17:40.210 James clapper former national intelligence, uh 01:17:40.210 --> 01:17:46.370 Director they think these guys are the deep state and of course they are and they lie with impunity 01:17:46.930 --> 01:17:52.270 You know when uh, when clapper was found having lied to congress under oath 01:17:52.790 --> 01:17:58.370 When he was found out he said well, I gave the least untruthful answer 01:17:59.050 --> 01:17:59.550 I could 01:18:00.190 --> 01:18:03.810 You know, but when you get sworn in you're always sworn in to tell the truth 01:18:03.810 --> 01:18:06.030 The whole truth and nothing but the truth 01:18:06.030 --> 01:18:08.390 But he gave the least untruthful answer 01:18:08.390 --> 01:18:10.610 Is that really good enough for the american people? 01:18:10.750 --> 01:18:12.790 Well, you really want to put up with scoundrels like that 01:18:12.790 --> 01:18:16.330 But anyway, the deep state isn't just these guys at the top, you know 01:18:16.330 --> 01:18:21.650 It's not just a national security advisor condolence arise who became secretary of state for her ineptitude 01:18:22.270 --> 01:18:26.310 But uh, it's and it and it's not people at the top like brennan and clapper solely 01:18:26.310 --> 01:18:33.370 It works its way down through all of these minions all of these, you know, uh, all of these, uh 01:18:35.030 --> 01:18:37.550 I I hate to I hate to call them 01:18:38.170 --> 01:18:40.970 I won't call them anything but it works as well 01:18:41.530 --> 01:18:48.170 Better judgment not to call them with what they are but it's you know, it's uh, it's mermidans. It's minions. It's 01:18:48.170 --> 01:18:48.850 it's uh 01:18:49.570 --> 01:18:50.950 Lackies and stuff and 01:18:52.430 --> 01:18:55.190 Familiars I tell you what it really hit with me 01:18:55.190 --> 01:18:56.670 Is that you have 01:18:56.670 --> 01:19:00.930 You know the draculas they got you know, you know shy from the light 01:19:00.930 --> 01:19:05.150 They're in their coffins at night and they got their familiars out there. You know pick me 01:19:05.150 --> 01:19:11.710 I want to be a vampire too, you know, they're out there run around providing insulation doing the grunt work for the 01:19:11.710 --> 01:19:15.830 The draculas and i'm just so these are they're familiars 01:19:15.830 --> 01:19:20.230 They're just out there doing the bidding off and I of course 01:19:21.270 --> 01:19:24.630 Well, it's it's like it's almost like the dracula 01:19:25.350 --> 01:19:32.350 Even to get down to baby blood. I mean, you know, it's just it it seems like these stories have some more 01:19:32.350 --> 01:19:34.570 Root in fact as time goes on 01:19:35.290 --> 01:19:41.850 And that's what I I I did want to before we go. I wanted to get into the philosophical aspects of this 01:19:42.670 --> 01:19:46.290 Because well hang on let me let me face the point about these about these minions 01:19:46.290 --> 01:19:50.870 Yeah, I just want I want to say that you know these petty minor bureaucrats 01:19:50.870 --> 01:19:55.590 By any other name they're all the way down the food chain in the in the government 01:19:55.590 --> 01:20:00.290 And it's a there's even an economic theory that it's called the public choice, you know 01:20:00.290 --> 01:20:05.690 They're not interested in the public good. Oh, you may think they are you think you think they're interested in 01:20:05.690 --> 01:20:09.530 Regulating industries for the public. No, they're interested in pleasing their bosses 01:20:09.530 --> 01:20:17.090 It's a whole different set of incentives that work their way all the way up and really great example of how far it reaches down 01:20:17.090 --> 01:20:19.170 into the bureaucracy is the guy 01:20:21.110 --> 01:20:24.290 Alexander binman was a lieutenant colonel 01:20:24.750 --> 01:20:28.270 In the first trump administration on trump's national security staff 01:20:28.850 --> 01:20:33.230 And he's the one that basically opened the door for the first he led led the 01:20:33.730 --> 01:20:40.290 The troops for the first impeachment effort of trump and he went to the senate and he testified and here's 01:20:40.990 --> 01:20:44.430 Here's what he testified to us in at the problem. Of course, he's ukrainian 01:20:44.430 --> 01:20:47.890 He we were obviously, you know not supporting ukraine 01:20:47.890 --> 01:20:52.470 It was the american people's duty to go there and enter intervene and spend our money and 01:20:53.030 --> 01:20:57.290 Go to a nuclear war if need be with russia on behalf of zalitsky 01:20:57.290 --> 01:21:01.210 Because ukraine and that was his that was his interest but he was a public servant 01:21:01.210 --> 01:21:04.090 He was paid for by the taxpayers to work for the president 01:21:04.090 --> 01:21:05.410 He was on the president's staff 01:21:05.410 --> 01:21:10.350 But he went to the senate and he he said well the problem with president trump 01:21:11.570 --> 01:21:20.670 Is he's not following the dictates or not following the findings or not following the con oh the con the interagency consensus 01:21:22.070 --> 01:21:26.250 The interagency consensus. He's defined the interagency consensus 01:21:26.250 --> 01:21:28.630 And what is the interagency consensus? 01:21:28.850 --> 01:21:34.250 It's the consensus of the deep state the interagency consensus. They all agree. They always agree 01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:38.530 They're like bees in a hive. They all work for the good of the hive. They don't sting one another 01:21:38.530 --> 01:21:43.110 They go about their different jobs some, you know a worker bees and some are uh, you know 01:21:43.110 --> 01:21:47.830 Keep the queen cool by beating their wings and some go out in forage and some, you know 01:21:47.830 --> 01:21:51.890 They all have different jobs, but they don't sting each other because they're they're bees of a common hive 01:21:51.890 --> 01:21:59.210 And so this guy's just a mere lieutenant colonel, but for trump not following the interagency consensus, which is the deep state 01:22:01.730 --> 01:22:04.310 Presumptions then, you know, he has to be taken out 01:22:04.310 --> 01:22:11.410 So it works its way all the way down and one of the peculiar things about it is that nobody has to tell them what to do 01:22:12.170 --> 01:22:16.410 Everybody's always looking for, you know, well, who gave the order? Who's it? They know what to do 01:22:16.410 --> 01:22:18.670 They know the goal of the empire 01:22:18.670 --> 01:22:25.050 So the executive arm the deep state is the executive arm of the global american military empire 01:22:25.590 --> 01:22:31.450 Is the global american and military empire that provides them their livelihoods creates the profits for the 01:22:31.450 --> 01:22:39.550 uh for the arms manufacturers allows them to re-elect to the congressmen and senators that uh vote for the deep state's 01:22:39.550 --> 01:22:43.550 global military empire and uh, they they 01:22:43.550 --> 01:22:48.390 Endow the think tanks that write the editorials for the global american military empire 01:22:48.390 --> 01:22:54.490 Nobody has to tell anybody what to do and anybody that's looking for smoking gun evidence. Oh, they told him they met 01:22:55.070 --> 01:22:59.890 They met at this place on this date and then you know, this is where they laid out their plans and we're trying to get 01:22:59.890 --> 01:23:00.890 You don't need it 01:23:00.890 --> 01:23:05.590 It's the global american military empire and its executive arm is the deep state 01:23:05.590 --> 01:23:10.510 These are the people in government now the establishment talked about the establishment figures, you know, they're the people 01:23:10.510 --> 01:23:15.230 You know the the new york times and the council for relations and all of those 01:23:15.230 --> 01:23:19.450 You know treasury secretaries and world bank officials and all of that nonsense 01:23:19.450 --> 01:23:22.870 You know, that's the establishment. They're kind of out in the open there 01:23:22.870 --> 01:23:24.090 They have public lives 01:23:24.090 --> 01:23:29.510 But the deep state, you know, it's just people that are following the needs that they into it that they know 01:23:29.510 --> 01:23:33.910 They know it from signals of those above them or for the greater glory of the 01:23:34.510 --> 01:23:35.690 American military empire 01:23:35.690 --> 01:23:41.190 They know what to do. They are bees of a common hive and uh, they are so thick 01:23:41.190 --> 01:23:47.450 They swarm these issues and they swarm people, you know, what's his name joke came out the other day 01:23:47.450 --> 01:23:52.090 You know just like okay release the swarm the schmere boat is coming after him now 01:23:52.090 --> 01:23:57.030 They're gonna they're gonna start digging into his past anything he ever did if he ever smiled at the pretty girl 01:23:57.550 --> 01:24:00.550 We'll have it and we'll call it infidelity. You know, I mean it just 01:24:02.190 --> 01:24:04.890 And that's that's how they work it's a hive mind 01:24:05.190 --> 01:24:06.150 in my view 01:24:07.010 --> 01:24:10.210 well, I'm I'm I'm trying to um 01:24:11.530 --> 01:24:13.970 Insulate people from 01:24:14.990 --> 01:24:22.750 Poor decisions poor cheerleading, you know team jersey red blue whatever crap and 01:24:23.110 --> 01:24:28.930 to me the the fundamental base thing which has always been my deal is that um 01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:35.090 Quit delegating authority to someone else to make these 01:24:35.860 --> 01:24:40.410 World changing life impacting decisions for sure 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.930 And it's it's at that root 01:24:44.580 --> 01:24:48.190 level and empire of lies is certainly 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.490 And don't delegate it to these guys, you know, well, but it's more than just these guys individuals 01:24:55.490 --> 01:24:59.750 I mean, I'm sure you name a lot of names and give examples, but 01:25:00.450 --> 01:25:04.110 It's something more fundamental. It's how we are 01:25:04.990 --> 01:25:10.790 Lazy or we think it doesn't matter and to me it doesn't matter and I don't care 01:25:10.790 --> 01:25:14.870 I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. It's over the horizon. I don't care. I'm past caring 01:25:14.870 --> 01:25:18.310 It's not any influence. I don't care, but 01:25:19.090 --> 01:25:20.190 With your book 01:25:21.070 --> 01:25:22.070 The internet 01:25:22.850 --> 01:25:23.370 AI 01:25:24.330 --> 01:25:27.630 Save us. Walter Cronkite. I mean, you know, we got an 01:25:28.310 --> 01:25:34.570 An optimist, you know, it's gonna be max headroom. You know, it's gonna be some, you know, AI max headroom guy, you know 01:25:35.950 --> 01:25:38.690 Truth, I mean, you know, so this is a 01:25:39.410 --> 01:25:43.730 Uh, I'm looking at the future because I've I've been saying for a long time 01:25:43.730 --> 01:25:47.290 I'm going, you know, you'll know. How will you know I go? I you'll know 01:25:47.710 --> 01:25:51.710 Because it's going to be a food thing. It always comes down to a food thing 01:25:52.450 --> 01:25:58.190 Well, here it comes and it is what well lies 01:25:58.570 --> 01:26:01.870 You're gonna take from us our our money 01:26:02.930 --> 01:26:04.130 Our children 01:26:04.890 --> 01:26:06.450 Our great-grandchildren 01:26:06.450 --> 01:26:13.070 And they're never going to pay off the debt. They're going to try to inflate themselves out or grow themselves out or something 01:26:13.750 --> 01:26:18.530 It's over that it's it's you know, the dollar meltdown your first book 01:26:18.530 --> 01:26:22.570 It was just, you know, laid it out clear. Here we go 01:26:23.410 --> 01:26:25.310 So i'm um 01:26:25.910 --> 01:26:26.770 Of the opinion 01:26:27.450 --> 01:26:31.510 For survival. I mean, you know, we have to you know, find bait 01:26:31.510 --> 01:26:35.950 I I advocate that technology is such now that we can have 01:26:36.530 --> 01:26:36.950 um 01:26:37.490 --> 01:26:42.030 First class life not too hot not too cold not too hungry not too thirsty 01:26:42.030 --> 01:26:48.230 You know, not too naked not too unsheltered not to whatever and have the same quality of life that we're 01:26:48.530 --> 01:26:51.610 Not trying to you know demonstrate out here 01:26:52.580 --> 01:26:58.210 We enjoy our life much more now never felt more secure more self-reliant more more 01:26:58.850 --> 01:26:59.310 merkin 01:27:02.330 --> 01:27:07.510 The internet and ai has provided us an opportunity 01:27:08.120 --> 01:27:14.190 Not only to research what we want to to learn what we want to to share what we want to 01:27:14.690 --> 01:27:20.090 And we can see that coming and thus we started freeman's phoenix, but it's now another weapon 01:27:20.870 --> 01:27:26.590 They're coming after they're manufacturing reality bombarding us by bombarding us with crap 01:27:27.310 --> 01:27:30.350 Empire of lies helps map that out 01:27:31.030 --> 01:27:34.330 What do you think the role of the internet? 01:27:35.070 --> 01:27:35.910 your book 01:27:36.490 --> 01:27:41.790 People coming to this conclusion that how'd you know they were lying because their lips are moving kind of thing 01:27:41.790 --> 01:27:43.910 So this is 01:27:43.910 --> 01:27:48.210 Uh advice that philosophically 01:27:48.790 --> 01:27:50.070 To the audience 01:27:50.730 --> 01:27:57.930 What should they do? It's not just question everything not just be contrarian. There's got to be some principal 01:27:57.930 --> 01:28:05.330 Some fundamental basic. What do you say you do here government? There's a revolution gap and it's from the promise 01:28:06.010 --> 01:28:08.130 And reality and sooner or later 01:28:08.130 --> 01:28:14.630 The problem the promise separates from reality enough that you get that revolution gap 01:28:14.630 --> 01:28:18.050 And that's where we're going and I I can see it happening 01:28:18.050 --> 01:28:23.390 We even had our own t-shirts on government doesn't work. I want my money back the revolution gap 01:28:24.010 --> 01:28:25.810 This is um 01:28:25.810 --> 01:28:27.930 Coming and I need 01:28:28.250 --> 01:28:31.910 What advice do you have other than seeing the patterns 01:28:32.410 --> 01:28:40.950 Read the book empire of lies just so you have the evidence not just to your neighbors and friends and family and so on 01:28:41.470 --> 01:28:42.550 To yourself 01:28:43.150 --> 01:28:50.130 That you are insulated you're inoculated against the bullshit that they continually 01:28:50.590 --> 01:28:53.990 Do over and over and over 01:28:53.990 --> 01:29:00.210 And as you point out they wheel out the people that helped them do it before they know they do it again 01:29:00.830 --> 01:29:04.010 At some point there has to be 01:29:05.910 --> 01:29:11.190 A determination that we're going to go extinct if we keep falling down this 01:29:12.030 --> 01:29:13.530 For all this bs 01:29:13.530 --> 01:29:17.070 So what is it that you're hoping from the book? 01:29:17.490 --> 01:29:25.570 The capability of learning about this of checking out the the validity of everything that you say everything that you write about 01:29:25.570 --> 01:29:29.490 Being you're remembering it correctly. What really happened 01:29:30.530 --> 01:29:35.390 Now what what should people take from this? What's the solution charles? 01:29:36.250 --> 01:29:36.750 well 01:29:37.930 --> 01:29:39.550 The solution is 01:29:40.050 --> 01:29:45.070 This is not satisfying to people and when i'm asked this question that nobody's ever satisfied with the answer 01:29:45.070 --> 01:29:50.190 But it's the true answer and i'll share with you everything comes down to the individual 01:29:50.970 --> 01:29:55.810 Everything comes down to the individual sweep your own front porch and the whole world will be clean 01:29:56.350 --> 01:30:01.230 Everything comes down to the individual so each individual has to be responsible 01:30:01.870 --> 01:30:05.310 Has to take responsibility has to start showing some integrity 01:30:05.950 --> 01:30:12.370 I was you know i'm on a tour about my book and doing media tour and doing you know podcasts talk shows and stuff too 01:30:12.870 --> 01:30:17.970 Besides just being on your show as a long time friends and associates, but i've been doing a lot of them 01:30:17.970 --> 01:30:21.410 I was on one with some neocon whack job the other day and 01:30:22.490 --> 01:30:23.370 He uh 01:30:23.830 --> 01:30:29.330 He was so angry at me said to you know, I started talking about the illegality of our wars 01:30:29.330 --> 01:30:31.630 You know that let me let me even back up 01:30:31.630 --> 01:30:36.770 The american people have a constitution and it's like the rule book in the mba 01:30:36.770 --> 01:30:40.390 You know if you fire off the shot after the buzzer goes off as the shot count 01:30:40.390 --> 01:30:45.790 No, it doesn't count. How do you know because we have a rule book and you know, you may not like some of the rules and 01:30:46.230 --> 01:30:47.510 Maybe some could be improved 01:30:47.510 --> 01:30:50.630 But this is the rule book so everybody can learn to function around it 01:30:50.630 --> 01:30:54.250 They learn what the rules are they know where they can go and where they should go and what the 01:30:54.250 --> 01:30:56.670 So that's the rule book and it's the constitution 01:30:57.230 --> 01:31:00.050 And the constitution says if you're going to have a war 01:31:01.150 --> 01:31:06.210 It has to be declared by people's representatives because it is the people who pay for it 01:31:06.210 --> 01:31:09.950 it is the people who die in it and they get to decide and 01:31:10.390 --> 01:31:14.490 Here's what what what would be nice if people understood that when you know 01:31:14.490 --> 01:31:18.610 We talk about checks and balances in our american system of government and divided power 01:31:18.610 --> 01:31:23.490 We divided some authority here and some there it wasn't just dividing authority like uh 01:31:23.490 --> 01:31:26.450 You know, here's one for you and here's one for me and here's one for them 01:31:26.450 --> 01:31:28.390 And here's one for you one for me and one for them 01:31:28.390 --> 01:31:33.450 That's not how they did it our our our governing class there the leaders 01:31:34.050 --> 01:31:39.290 Of the american effort were really learned people and everybody around the world knew it even at the time 01:31:39.290 --> 01:31:44.410 They knew that you know, we had the talent and intelligence and integrity in our leadership class 01:31:44.410 --> 01:31:47.290 That put the british leadership class to utter shame 01:31:47.290 --> 01:31:52.370 And I you can find british historians that will confirm that from morning till night 01:31:52.370 --> 01:31:58.330 But we had an unusual class of people that showed up at one time. It's just like you know in in uh 01:31:58.330 --> 01:31:59.530 in uh 01:31:59.530 --> 01:32:03.550 The renaissance in italy had all these people showed up at the same time in a little town 01:32:03.550 --> 01:32:08.030 Probably the size half the size of flag staff or something that uh all showed up at one time 01:32:08.030 --> 01:32:09.790 You had donatello raffaello 01:32:10.370 --> 01:32:11.250 da Vinci 01:32:12.090 --> 01:32:17.590 You know on and on and on all showed up as a strange harmonic convergence of these artistic geniuses 01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:22.850 Well, we had that in the american governing classes that led the revolution and then in creative 01:32:22.850 --> 01:32:27.210 So i'm not saying that the constitution is perfect and has to do endure forever 01:32:27.210 --> 01:32:32.090 But it's the rules of the game and why did they divide things the way they did wasn't haphazardly 01:32:32.090 --> 01:32:36.650 It wasn't at random. They said knowing the historical precedents. They said look 01:32:37.450 --> 01:32:39.210 The executive branch 01:32:39.210 --> 01:32:45.630 Executive officers it can be prime ministers. It can be kings. It can be dukes throughout history 01:32:45.630 --> 01:32:53.150 The executive has a propensity to start to engage in needless wars in elective wars 01:32:53.150 --> 01:32:57.550 We will not give war making authority to the executive branch 01:32:57.550 --> 01:33:04.110 So they gave the war making authority article one section eight for good and sufficient reason to the uh 01:33:04.630 --> 01:33:08.230 To the uh, uh legislative branch the people's elected representatives 01:33:08.230 --> 01:33:14.630 Who could be held accountable for their bad judgment who could be scorned and reviled by their constituents in the neighborhood 01:33:15.170 --> 01:33:20.070 For their bad judgment. So that's who got the war making authority and yet we haven't used that since 1945 01:33:20.610 --> 01:33:24.950 And this guy I was telling I was on a you know some neocon radio show 01:33:25.430 --> 01:33:30.130 And I think it was in detroit or something and he was so angry at me because he said well 01:33:30.130 --> 01:33:32.790 Then that would make all the wars illegal and I go that's exactly right 01:33:32.790 --> 01:33:35.090 It makes all those wars illegal 01:33:35.090 --> 01:33:42.210 Because they didn't have a declaration of war now you can't you can pretend that you take an oath to the constitution 01:33:42.210 --> 01:33:47.490 Just like you know clapper pretends that he will tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth 01:33:47.490 --> 01:33:50.310 But you gotta make up your mind you're gonna be self-goverting people 01:33:50.310 --> 01:33:55.290 You know, I've listened to republicans and democrats too for all of my life having been 01:33:55.290 --> 01:34:00.390 You know kind of a political junkie as a kid and being involved in stuff as a very youngster 01:34:00.390 --> 01:34:05.130 I've listened to these guys talk about the constitution. You know when they when they go to a convention 01:34:05.130 --> 01:34:08.230 They have a fundraiser. They go to a dinner. They have a crowd at the park 01:34:08.230 --> 01:34:14.070 They are you know, love the constitution and so on but when it comes to actually upholding that they don't do it 01:34:14.070 --> 01:34:18.430 So but the the problem is not that liars will be liars 01:34:18.950 --> 01:34:23.670 Not that corrupt people will be corrupt. The problem is the people of normal 01:34:24.730 --> 01:34:28.850 Average integrity don't hold them accountable. So by that 01:34:28.850 --> 01:34:31.770 I mean you you have joined the liars crew 01:34:32.350 --> 01:34:34.890 You're now one of the mermigans. You're one of the 01:34:35.570 --> 01:34:40.370 One of the hangers on if the constitution says and you know it that only 01:34:40.930 --> 01:34:48.730 Only the people's elected representatives can declare war and you excuse the executive for declaring war on his own 01:34:48.730 --> 01:34:54.130 You say well, it's all right because it's you know, smokey gun for a mushroom cloud. It's uh, 01:34:54.130 --> 01:34:59.250 Nicholas madura he and chavez. We're both very bad people. It's this it's that it's a 01:34:59.250 --> 01:35:01.930 Benjamin net and ye who says we got to do it today 01:35:02.750 --> 01:35:07.230 Whatever it is if you don't insist and the guy gives me this thing about well 01:35:07.890 --> 01:35:12.550 You know we you know, this is this is an important thing, you know, and we're not going to have to you know 01:35:13.150 --> 01:35:17.690 Tolerate threats to our country and wait for the the elected official and said look 01:35:18.330 --> 01:35:23.110 Everybody knew we were going to war in Iran. We spent weeks shipping a big armada over there 01:35:23.110 --> 01:35:30.570 Everybody knew what was coming. You mean that people in the in in congress couldn't take a day or two days to debate it 01:35:31.330 --> 01:35:36.050 You know they in we were attacked in pearl harbor on december 7th and december 8th even with 01:35:36.050 --> 01:35:44.490 It's inferior transportation and longer travel slower travel. They had a declaration award in uh on december 8th 01:35:44.490 --> 01:35:50.330 That's not to say nobody ever has ever said reasonably ever said, you know, you can't you don't have a right of 01:35:50.330 --> 01:35:55.470 Of hot pursuit, you know, you see the crime going on. You got to do something immediately 01:35:55.470 --> 01:35:57.850 That's one thing nobody said you got to have a declaration of war 01:35:57.850 --> 01:36:01.410 You know when they steal your boat the club well or something like that 01:36:01.410 --> 01:36:05.210 You know, that's that's a different circumstance, but we had plenty of time 01:36:05.210 --> 01:36:11.010 We've always had ample time to declare our wars and it's not just a useless exercise. Here's what it does 01:36:11.570 --> 01:36:17.990 When you declare or go back and look at the declarations of war against germany and japan go back and look at old declarations of war 01:36:17.990 --> 01:36:20.030 They generally spell out, okay 01:36:20.790 --> 01:36:21.810 Who is the enemy? 01:36:22.510 --> 01:36:28.210 What is the reason for this war? What are the resources we devote to fighting it? How will you know when it's over? 01:36:28.670 --> 01:36:33.710 How will you know when you've won because you've spelled out all those things in the current war in rand? We have none of those things 01:36:34.450 --> 01:36:39.350 We have we have none of those things. We're not sure who the enemy is. Oh, it's the isla to iatola 01:36:39.350 --> 01:36:44.550 Okay, you replace the iatola. You got another iatola. We're not sure we're not sure the resources 01:36:44.550 --> 01:36:47.610 You know president trump tells us that you know 01:36:48.230 --> 01:36:54.450 On on august 11th. He said like in 13 seconds. He said seven or eight times that we've won 01:36:54.450 --> 01:36:58.750 So why are they coming back for we spend a trillion dollars a year on the war machine? 01:36:59.430 --> 01:37:05.370 Why are they coming back now for another 200 billion dollar supplemental appropriation if we've already won? 01:37:05.550 --> 01:37:08.690 We haven't spelled it out in a declaration of war. Who is the enemy? 01:37:08.690 --> 01:37:10.830 When you declare who the enemy is everybody 01:37:11.450 --> 01:37:12.630 domestically people know that 01:37:12.630 --> 01:37:16.810 Everybody knows that rendering aid and comfort to the enemy is uh, you know 01:37:16.810 --> 01:37:20.310 It's very dangerous statutes say that that could be punishable by death 01:37:20.310 --> 01:37:22.050 So you want to be aware who the enemies? 01:37:22.290 --> 01:37:27.730 But the president doesn't get to if we're free if we're free people if we're self governing people if 01:37:27.730 --> 01:37:30.990 The governing classes work for us if there are employees 01:37:30.990 --> 01:37:36.090 The president doesn't just get to wake up in the morning and say i'm pissed at bolivia 01:37:36.550 --> 01:37:40.110 Or I hate greenland and today they're the enemy it doesn't work that way 01:37:40.110 --> 01:37:42.690 So if you're doing business with bolivia or with greenland 01:37:42.690 --> 01:37:45.850 You should be able to go right ahead doing business with bolivia or greenland 01:37:45.850 --> 01:37:49.270 Rendering aid and comfort to bolivia or greenland or whoever it may be 01:37:49.270 --> 01:37:55.550 Because there is no declaration of war and how can you be aiding and comforting the enemy when nobody has declared an enemy? 01:37:56.170 --> 01:38:01.330 The president doesn't get to do it because he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, but the people 01:38:02.310 --> 01:38:03.190 the people 01:38:03.190 --> 01:38:10.990 Who tolerate to this knowing full well nobody needs to tell most people that congress gets to declare war? 01:38:11.210 --> 01:38:15.310 I've repeated it all my life others have to it's you know anybody 01:38:15.310 --> 01:38:19.010 It's taking a high school class and constitution should be able to look it up 01:38:19.010 --> 01:38:23.450 If you get a pocket constitution who declares war all of the congress declares war 01:38:23.450 --> 01:38:28.510 But the presidents keep declaring wars and they always turn out badly they turn out like a vietnam 01:38:28.950 --> 01:38:35.450 They turn out like a korea, which is a war that never ended really they turn out like uh like uh iraq 01:38:36.590 --> 01:38:37.010 syria 01:38:37.540 --> 01:38:41.410 They turn out like libya. They turn out like this mess in ukraine 01:38:41.950 --> 01:38:44.990 All because we've never had a declaration of war. We've never had a clear view 01:38:44.990 --> 01:38:48.710 Nobody can answer the questions that a declaration would answer. What who's the enemy? 01:38:48.990 --> 01:38:52.910 What is the reason? What are the resources? How do we know when we run they do it? 01:38:52.910 --> 01:38:58.910 So you say it turns out badly, but for whom? I mean they they do it for a reason 01:38:59.690 --> 01:39:06.490 What why my my little penis is bigger than yours? I mean what might be with trump? I mean what why? 01:39:07.630 --> 01:39:12.230 Well, here's the problem. I already mentioned like racy unstock. You just go look at it 01:39:12.230 --> 01:39:17.050 They make tomahawk bristles. They're doing great. So the merchants of death always do great 01:39:17.050 --> 01:39:19.630 That's why they aren't both sides of many many conflicts 01:39:19.630 --> 01:39:26.230 That's why you know the biggest game is that we sell the weapons to third world countries and dictators around the world 01:39:26.750 --> 01:39:32.170 And yet they don't have the money to pay for them. So we have a term in there that the american taxpayer will pay for the weapons 01:39:32.170 --> 01:39:33.610 That they default or can't pay 01:39:34.470 --> 01:39:37.250 So the so that's that is part of it 01:39:37.250 --> 01:39:41.750 But you know, I would I was asked this a lot of times during the iraq war. Well, who's behind it? 01:39:41.850 --> 01:39:44.410 Who wants the war? Well, it was a harmonic convergence 01:39:44.970 --> 01:39:49.030 Look car robe as we already mentioned, you know, he wanted to win the mid-term elections 01:39:49.030 --> 01:39:51.190 He wanted bush to be able to get elected re-elected in 01:39:51.690 --> 01:40:00.490 In that 2004 it was good for the president because you know, you busy busy giddy minds the shakespeare said busy giddy minds with 01:40:00.490 --> 01:40:03.110 Uh with needless wars 01:40:03.690 --> 01:40:06.270 So it was good for them. It was good for the pentagon 01:40:06.270 --> 01:40:10.710 There were people in the pentagon that wanted the war because the pentagon was more about if you don't have a war 01:40:10.710 --> 01:40:13.950 how do you advance if you're a you know if you're a 01:40:14.990 --> 01:40:17.830 A colonel, how do you become a general? You've got to have movement 01:40:17.830 --> 01:40:21.710 You got to have you know, chewing up people moving up the ranks. You got to have a bigger budget 01:40:21.710 --> 01:40:23.790 You got to have things growing if you're gonna move 01:40:23.790 --> 01:40:24.970 So I want to shift 01:40:25.690 --> 01:40:29.730 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's good for the it's good for the media 01:40:30.170 --> 01:40:37.470 We talked about that it spikes their ratings. It spikes revenues. It's the it's the uh, it's the narcotic of fear 01:40:37.470 --> 01:40:44.030 So it's good for them. I saw guys on tv Ernie during that period the guys like laurence cutlow 01:40:44.410 --> 01:40:49.750 He's everywhere as a financial guy on financial talk tv's laurence cutlow says well 01:40:49.750 --> 01:40:54.750 Whatever you say, it'll be good for the stock market. Oh, it'll be good for the stock market 01:40:54.750 --> 01:40:57.970 Then there were the people say, oh, it'll be good for israel. We want israel 01:40:57.970 --> 01:40:59.330 It'll be good for israel 01:40:59.330 --> 01:41:02.690 So all of these people and all of these interests come together 01:41:02.690 --> 01:41:07.970 And of course there are the combat mv is afflicted. They want it because it's exciting 01:41:08.470 --> 01:41:13.710 There are chest bumpers. There are you know chest beaters that like war because it's 01:41:13.710 --> 01:41:14.890 It's interesting they 01:41:15.570 --> 01:41:16.650 War holy word 01:41:17.230 --> 01:41:19.030 God how I love it said pat 01:41:19.590 --> 01:41:19.990 so 01:41:20.390 --> 01:41:24.190 There are all these people with all kinds of different motives and uh 01:41:24.190 --> 01:41:28.690 And the only way you can turn it around in my view and I'm sorry I interrupted you to finish the point 01:41:28.690 --> 01:41:35.430 But is you know, it's at the level of the individual one individual waking in at the time and it's never satisfied anybody 01:41:35.870 --> 01:41:36.990 well, this is the 01:41:37.630 --> 01:41:39.830 Right here is the shift that I wanted to make 01:41:39.830 --> 01:41:44.890 Towards the result and what we remember and what we would do is 01:41:46.810 --> 01:41:48.650 You've been very 01:41:50.230 --> 01:41:56.050 Attentive to the economy precious metals gold. I mean you and ron paul have a lot of 01:41:56.610 --> 01:41:57.950 The u.s. Dollar dollar 01:41:58.530 --> 01:41:59.510 so, um 01:42:00.330 --> 01:42:00.890 economically 01:42:01.490 --> 01:42:05.910 Just has to have an impact of course it has we have our debt 01:42:05.910 --> 01:42:09.890 We have you know the interest on the debt we have who has the debt 01:42:09.890 --> 01:42:14.710 Who's going to pay the debt who's not going to pay the debt how they're going to threaten with the debt to iras 01:42:14.710 --> 01:42:19.390 You know, they them to go to the stable coins crypto doing whatever 01:42:21.130 --> 01:42:23.570 How do you see this affecting us? 01:42:24.130 --> 01:42:27.350 It already has it's baked in the cake. What's coming? 01:42:28.630 --> 01:42:29.850 Okay, what can we expect? 01:42:30.690 --> 01:42:33.850 It's it's a special kind of issue for me and one that I watch 01:42:33.850 --> 01:42:35.770 A lot I write about a lot 01:42:36.450 --> 01:42:38.090 Um, this is the big one 01:42:38.650 --> 01:42:41.870 You know, we've talked about this, you know, all the you know gold's gonna go up 01:42:41.870 --> 01:42:45.190 But this is the big one. It's much bigger than the price of gold and the price of silver 01:42:45.190 --> 01:42:50.190 This is this is the big one you see two things going on and they're not separate 01:42:50.190 --> 01:42:57.630 They're conjoined at the hip and one is the world fleeing already long before the iran war already beginning to flee from the 01:42:57.630 --> 01:43:03.970 U.S. Dollar standard and you see that as they've tried to create other payment systems that bypass our payment system as they 01:43:03.970 --> 01:43:06.170 Create new currency agreements 01:43:06.170 --> 01:43:08.170 They keep saying it's not happening 01:43:08.890 --> 01:43:12.650 die lot. Yeah, it's happening bilateral deals between, you know, uh 01:43:13.330 --> 01:43:17.610 pakistan and china or whatever they'll trade in this or russia and china 01:43:17.610 --> 01:43:20.570 all of these deals not to mention 01:43:21.190 --> 01:43:26.590 The uh clamor for the central banks of the world to start adding gold to their reserves 01:43:26.590 --> 01:43:32.850 And replacing the dollar. I'll I'll give you one because I follow this closely. It wasn't so many years ago. Look 01:43:34.330 --> 01:43:37.450 When the united states spends money at this level 01:43:38.250 --> 01:43:41.010 That only takes in money at this lower level 01:43:41.530 --> 01:43:45.150 They've got to fill the gap and there are a couple of ways that most, you know 01:43:45.150 --> 01:43:47.090 I guess honorable you could call it 01:43:47.090 --> 01:43:51.030 Way to fill the gap is to you know, it's to borrow the money. So 01:43:51.470 --> 01:43:53.950 Um, when they borrow the money, they sell bonds 01:43:53.950 --> 01:43:59.370 They sell us treasury bonds and the bond says, you know, you give us like let's say a hundred thousand dollar bond 01:43:59.370 --> 01:44:04.350 You give the government you give washington a hundred thousand dollars and they'll give you this bond this fancy piece of paper 01:44:04.350 --> 01:44:06.810 It's actually not paper. It's just digital now, but you get the idea 01:44:06.810 --> 01:44:12.450 We'll give this bond that says we'll pay you back in 30 years or we'll pay you back in 20 years or 10 years 01:44:12.450 --> 01:44:16.910 We'll pay you back at uh with an interest rate of four percent 01:44:17.350 --> 01:44:21.710 over the course of uh of 20 years or 10 years or whatever the term of the bond is 01:44:21.710 --> 01:44:28.210 And so we're they're loaning us money and we promise to pay them back. So it was only a few years 01:44:29.330 --> 01:44:36.030 Yeah, china had loaned the united states the us treasury. They had purchased us treasury bonds 01:44:36.030 --> 01:44:39.550 In other words loaned money to america to washington almost 01:44:40.430 --> 01:44:45.710 Over 1.3 trillion dollars. I think it was almost 1.4 trillion dollars. They were our creditors 01:44:45.710 --> 01:44:48.690 They were loaning money to us. We're the biggest spender in the world 01:44:48.690 --> 01:44:49.790 We're the biggest debtor in the world 01:44:49.790 --> 01:44:53.790 We have to borrow a lot of money to keep the game going and they were willing to loan us money 01:44:53.790 --> 01:44:59.610 And so they loaned us 1.3 trillion dollars or more more than that and yet 01:45:01.110 --> 01:45:04.470 Everybody around the world understands now that we can't pay it back 01:45:04.470 --> 01:45:08.130 We simply we simply can't pay it back not by any alonist 01:45:08.850 --> 01:45:12.110 Open uh open means is that's too big. We can't pay it back 01:45:12.110 --> 01:45:18.810 So they've started backing away and so instead of still loaning us 1.4 million dollars 01:45:18.810 --> 01:45:24.610 They've started redeeming those bonds when they come do and not not rolling them over not buying new treasury instruments 01:45:24.610 --> 01:45:28.470 So now they're down to half that they're down like 6.7 01:45:29.910 --> 01:45:35.330 100 billion they're down from 1.3 1.4 trillion to half that 6.7 01:45:36.090 --> 01:45:41.290 Billion dollars they're backing away and as those bonds come do they'll back away from those they're backing away 01:45:41.290 --> 01:45:46.330 Because they know what our ultimate end game is is if we can't borrow the money 01:45:46.330 --> 01:45:47.710 first of all if 01:45:48.250 --> 01:45:49.710 If we want to borrow the money 01:45:50.210 --> 01:45:53.090 And people don't want to loan it to us. How do we get them to do it? 01:45:53.110 --> 01:45:55.910 Well, they have to raise the interest rate and interest rates are going 01:45:56.410 --> 01:45:59.430 Crazy in the last couple weeks. They're climbing climbing climbing 01:46:00.250 --> 01:46:04.710 And uh, so we have to pay more and more and more because people know, you know, we're going to cheat 01:46:04.710 --> 01:46:07.150 We're going to print money. We're going to inflate the currency 01:46:07.150 --> 01:46:08.030 We're going to cheat them 01:46:08.030 --> 01:46:14.110 So they start asking for a premium an interest rate premium over uh over the inflation rate 01:46:14.110 --> 01:46:16.810 So if the inflation rates three percent then they want six percent 01:46:16.810 --> 01:46:22.070 So we have to keep raising the offer the amount of money that we offer to pay them and that runs up the deficit 01:46:22.070 --> 01:46:24.410 We have to pay more interest every year more more interest 01:46:24.410 --> 01:46:30.890 so and and uh this stuff keeps going and it's it's at the end game stage right now 01:46:30.890 --> 01:46:33.470 We have a visible national debt of 39 trillion dollars 01:46:34.090 --> 01:46:37.870 We've run up just since trump was inaugurated 01:46:38.590 --> 01:46:44.830 In january last year just in that time. We've run up another 2.7 or eight 01:46:45.530 --> 01:46:48.770 trillion dollars in debt in just a little over a year 01:46:49.530 --> 01:46:52.130 And so the game can't go on but here's what's happening 01:46:52.130 --> 01:46:56.810 You're gonna you're gonna get you know with this war you get a slowdown in the economy 01:46:56.810 --> 01:47:01.430 That's a stagnant economy. That's the stagnant part of the portman 2 term 01:47:01.430 --> 01:47:07.870 Stagflation an economy that doesn't grow now you have greater debt debt demand than ever 01:47:08.470 --> 01:47:11.430 And yet the economy isn't growing it's not throwing off the resources 01:47:11.430 --> 01:47:15.350 It's not generating the wealth to meet the debt demand and at the same time 01:47:15.350 --> 01:47:21.090 You have the other half of the portman 2 stagflation the inflation side prices are going up and up and up 01:47:21.090 --> 01:47:26.170 So now the american people are are caught between this thing that you know higher and higher prices 01:47:26.170 --> 01:47:33.270 lower and fewer and fewer opportunities less and less earnings less and less opportunities your business sells less your uh 01:47:33.270 --> 01:47:40.730 Your uh, you sell fewer cars. You have fewer customers no matter what your business is and uh, you have the price of things keeps climbing 01:47:40.730 --> 01:47:45.950 Ernie this has already started now and what we've talked about this for years. It was going to come back around 01:47:47.230 --> 01:47:50.650 Stagflation was the order of business in the 1970s 01:47:50.650 --> 01:47:58.530 It was even called the stagflation decade and it ran gold to the moon because the economy was more abundant. It was basically dead 01:47:58.530 --> 01:48:03.610 Uh, it would have a heavy burden and uh inflation rate kept going up and up 01:48:03.610 --> 01:48:07.370 Here's what we just found out a couple of weeks ago the producer price index 01:48:08.070 --> 01:48:10.790 Uh for uh, the month of february 01:48:11.450 --> 01:48:18.270 Was up 0.07 0.7 percent. So if you annualize that this is the producer price index 01:48:18.270 --> 01:48:22.770 That's on its way. I like to describe it as you know, it's on its way in a month or two to be in consumer prices 01:48:22.770 --> 01:48:26.990 That if you annualize what happened in february, that's eight percent inflation 01:48:27.770 --> 01:48:28.650 eight percent 01:48:29.210 --> 01:48:34.330 So in the meantime, how about the productivity of the country the gross domestic product the gdp? 01:48:34.830 --> 01:48:37.890 It's a weak measure, but it's the only one that people rely on 01:48:37.890 --> 01:48:41.910 So for the last quarter of last year, they just revised it down 01:48:42.470 --> 01:48:47.170 They had called for it. They said that it shows annual growth for the year 2025 01:48:47.670 --> 01:48:51.230 The quarterly growth showed annual growth of 1.4 percent 01:48:51.230 --> 01:48:55.770 They just cut that finding in half to 0.7 percent 01:48:55.770 --> 01:49:00.550 Growth is collapsing and it will continue to collapse with higher oil prices 01:49:01.230 --> 01:49:03.570 It will continue to uh, I mean 01:49:04.110 --> 01:49:08.930 You know airlines are going to be fine as many flights people aren't going to be going on vacations people aren't 01:49:09.490 --> 01:49:11.450 Taking as you know taking as many trips 01:49:11.450 --> 01:49:17.890 American households are I think already up for out $400 a month with the new prices of energy just since the start of this war 01:49:17.890 --> 01:49:25.210 We're not going to have access prices are going up. The productivity of the nation is uh, sliding people companies are pulling in their horns 01:49:26.170 --> 01:49:28.770 Um, canceling the airlines are canceling flights 01:49:28.770 --> 01:49:33.470 Um hotels and tourist venues are understanding. They're not going to have the traffic 01:49:33.470 --> 01:49:35.270 They expected earnings are down everywhere 01:49:35.830 --> 01:49:38.630 Unless you're a war maker if you're a racy on maybe they're not 01:49:38.630 --> 01:49:45.450 But that's what's headed our way. It is starting to appear right now. It is a very very grim situation 01:49:45.990 --> 01:49:50.690 And the truth is it's much more grim than the double digit inflation 01:49:51.390 --> 01:49:54.950 And the double digit interest rates that we saw in the 1970s 01:49:54.950 --> 01:50:00.250 It's much more serious now the damage, you know, everybody everybody looks at 01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:03.770 You know at the energy prices. Well, it's not just energy 01:50:03.770 --> 01:50:06.790 It shows up first in energy and then it shows up in food, you know 01:50:06.790 --> 01:50:09.990 All the farmers are planting now, but they can't afford the fertilizer 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:12.910 You know kinks in the pilot lines and stuff like that 01:50:12.910 --> 01:50:17.450 It's much bigger than it was in the in the 1970s much much bigger 01:50:17.450 --> 01:50:22.530 And it's just starting to become apparent and it can't be fixed. This is what I want everybody to understand 01:50:23.070 --> 01:50:27.430 Trump if trump by some magical act of being the best negotiator in the world 01:50:28.190 --> 01:50:28.510 Yeah 01:50:29.950 --> 01:50:36.770 We're to get the straight-up or moves open again. Suppose you did by agreement or by military force straight-up or 01:50:37.510 --> 01:50:42.870 It's not going to fix the problem. We have crushed supply lines that are years 01:50:43.510 --> 01:50:45.670 Decades in the making we have 01:50:46.190 --> 01:50:51.470 This war has ushered in the smashing of storage facilities refining facilities 01:50:52.290 --> 01:50:53.450 pumping facilities 01:50:54.350 --> 01:50:58.830 Recovery facilities transportation facilities docks for transportation pipeline 01:50:58.830 --> 01:51:05.250 It's done huge damage that will take years to replace and I want to give your listeners one great example 01:51:05.250 --> 01:51:10.950 From trump's history. It's one I followed at the time. I quit watching that and I looked it up the other day 01:51:10.950 --> 01:51:14.270 And yes, it's still the same dilapidated condition. It was in 01:51:15.410 --> 01:51:21.850 The chinese like pork if you go to chinese restaurant, you know, there's all kinds of pork dishes under the chinese in china 01:51:21.850 --> 01:51:26.930 They eat a lot of pork and they need feed for it. So they need soybean. They like soybean feed 01:51:26.930 --> 01:51:30.570 It's a affordable sort of feed for the pork that they raise in china 01:51:31.130 --> 01:51:35.510 So for a very long time they have been buying soybeans from american farmers 01:51:35.510 --> 01:51:39.270 And it's been good for american farmers and american farmers, you know, we're planting 01:51:39.850 --> 01:51:46.130 You know huge crops rows after row after row of soybeans and almost shipped to china and everybody was happy with the deal 01:51:46.130 --> 01:51:53.150 And then in the first administration trump started, you know, building his his tariff sort around and all of a sudden 01:51:53.150 --> 01:52:00.230 The chinese couldn't buy the soybeans from america because they were too costly because of the tariffs that we put on them 01:52:00.230 --> 01:52:02.550 And so they turned elsewhere 01:52:03.370 --> 01:52:06.190 So these supply lines take years to build 01:52:06.660 --> 01:52:11.350 But they also can be replaced and so immediately people in south america farming 01:52:12.230 --> 01:52:17.130 Interest in south america transportation and interest in south america said we'll fill the gap 01:52:17.130 --> 01:52:21.450 We can grow soybeans. Maybe we can even undercut the americans if we get up the speed 01:52:21.450 --> 01:52:29.070 So they started clearing land and planting soybeans and then they started, you know, making roads for transportation to the docks and then 01:52:29.590 --> 01:52:34.270 Getting you know ships that could take it to china and stuff and they built all of this infrastructure 01:52:35.230 --> 01:52:39.590 And americans just kept losing share and losing share and losing share of the soybean market 01:52:39.590 --> 01:52:44.350 It wasn't very good for the farmers, but it was very good for uh for our competitors around the world 01:52:44.350 --> 01:52:51.010 So china got the soybeans that wanted our competitors got the crops and uh and yet the farmers lost their market 01:52:51.510 --> 01:52:52.410 so then 01:52:53.190 --> 01:52:55.210 trump, you know starts hearing the farm 01:52:55.830 --> 01:52:59.150 You know the farm interests squawking about it. So we adjust the uh tariffs 01:52:59.150 --> 01:53:02.970 So i don't know if they're less severe or eliminate i doubt they're eliminated 01:53:02.970 --> 01:53:06.530 But they're less severe to make american farmers competitive again in china 01:53:06.530 --> 01:53:11.550 But guess what the market share has already been lost and now you've got another low-cost producer 01:53:11.550 --> 01:53:15.690 So i looked it up after you know after following it back during the first trump term 01:53:15.690 --> 01:53:21.890 I looked up the americans have never in all these years been able to reestablish their market share of of soybeans 01:53:22.450 --> 01:53:23.730 And to make it worse 01:53:24.290 --> 01:53:28.510 This is how government, uh works because the farmers were squawking 01:53:29.090 --> 01:53:33.890 About the damage that our government had done to them and to their market share of their prosperity 01:53:33.890 --> 01:53:39.210 Because they started squawking and complaining to their congressman the trump administration said oh 01:53:39.210 --> 01:53:43.690 We've got to come up with billions of dollars to bail out the farmers 01:53:44.730 --> 01:53:51.950 So the administration hammered their market share and they haven't recovered it and uh, they've lost 01:53:52.310 --> 01:53:54.370 market share permanently in my guess 01:53:54.370 --> 01:54:01.070 And yet then we had to provide another bail out for them in the form of a giveaway because you don't want the farmers 01:54:01.070 --> 01:54:05.970 Mad at the elected officials or they might not vote for them. This is how the game works 01:54:05.970 --> 01:54:09.710 But this one this one is uh is is so much worse 01:54:09.710 --> 01:54:14.030 So much damage that has been done. So i i described look 01:54:14.590 --> 01:54:20.570 It's not just what we talked about the end of the global dollar standard unfolding in time in an accelerated pace 01:54:22.310 --> 01:54:25.130 We're we're losing that that was in process 01:54:25.130 --> 01:54:30.830 But now as a corollary of that it's not just the dollar the corollary of that is the global 01:54:30.830 --> 01:54:33.690 American military empire is in a state of collapse 01:54:34.430 --> 01:54:36.250 You know all all those gulf 01:54:36.910 --> 01:54:40.550 Monarchies and stuff that thought that you know, they were buying the protection of 01:54:41.070 --> 01:54:46.550 America found out that they weren't getting the protection of america all of these relationships are changing 01:54:46.550 --> 01:54:48.550 they're changing in ways that 01:54:49.570 --> 01:54:55.990 That will help this member of the global american military empire at the same time it 01:54:56.850 --> 01:55:00.270 It hurts our our currency the value of our currency 01:55:00.990 --> 01:55:06.670 Look that and here's what the politicians do and it's a syndrome that's widely known and it's called 01:55:08.950 --> 01:55:13.330 Well, it's not known to me. I can't remember the name of it, but but it's called 01:55:14.610 --> 01:55:15.990 It's a syndrome when the 01:55:15.990 --> 01:55:23.170 Imperial overstretch when the empire stretches too far and they start seeing exactly what we're seeing now 01:55:23.170 --> 01:55:27.930 They see that there are competitors in the world that weren't there 50 years ago more competitors 01:55:27.930 --> 01:55:34.150 Competitors military competitors look at what purge has done so far and stretching this thing out for three weeks 01:55:34.150 --> 01:55:39.650 There are other competitors. They're competitors against the dollar. There's gold. There are bricks. There are other payment systems 01:55:39.650 --> 01:55:45.870 They're competitors and the geniuses in washington the governing classes of america look at this new 01:55:45.870 --> 01:55:48.230 challenge to their global hegemony 01:55:48.730 --> 01:55:55.150 Not as a result of their failing economic might because it is the the economic might that provided for 01:55:55.150 --> 01:56:00.570 The empire's military might it's not just that the their military might is fading 01:56:00.570 --> 01:56:06.110 It's because their underlying meek economic might is is gone their manufacturing base is gone 01:56:06.110 --> 01:56:09.650 They've inflated the people to a sense of destitution 01:56:09.650 --> 01:56:12.930 They've regulated the economy to a moribund state 01:56:12.930 --> 01:56:17.230 But they look at the challenge to their global hegemony their dominance of the globe 01:56:17.230 --> 01:56:23.050 And they read it not as a challenge to their prosperity. They read it as a military challenge 01:56:23.050 --> 01:56:25.690 And so they divert still more 01:56:26.350 --> 01:56:28.230 otherwise productive money 01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:30.010 To the military 01:56:30.620 --> 01:56:36.930 And so it accelerates the imperial over stretch and this is how empires die and it's going on right before our very eyes 01:56:36.930 --> 01:56:40.750 So it's going to it's going to start getting critical this summer 01:56:40.750 --> 01:56:44.270 I think by the fall everybody will be screaming and squawking 01:56:44.270 --> 01:56:50.730 Of course the congress republicans the president wants critical this summer. What way to find that 01:56:51.270 --> 01:56:53.050 Well, you go to the grocery store 01:56:53.050 --> 01:56:56.650 Let me see it. The prices are rising so fast 01:56:56.650 --> 01:57:01.830 People are already talking about having to cut back. They can't afford the groceries. They once did 01:57:02.410 --> 01:57:05.690 Used to like to have a steak. No fuel man. Donna has this big 01:57:06.250 --> 01:57:06.590 Diesel 01:57:07.350 --> 01:57:10.670 It's five dollars and something old damn. Yeah, I mean 01:57:11.450 --> 01:57:16.850 44 45 percent how do you like that and that and that's and so it's not just fertilizer 01:57:17.330 --> 01:57:22.130 You understand, you know, the farmers run a lot of diesel equipment to provide food to the american people 01:57:22.130 --> 01:57:23.690 Well, if it doesn't pay 01:57:24.270 --> 01:57:28.010 You know, then they can't run that diesel equipment if the fuel's too 01:57:28.010 --> 01:57:34.790 If the fertilizer too too costly if the uh diesel fuel is too costly, we've got to make a decision 01:57:35.390 --> 01:57:40.930 You know, you and I started, you know working together on your show was like, um 01:57:41.710 --> 01:57:48.170 Oh five six seven round in there and it was the one thing that I remember 01:57:48.930 --> 01:57:54.390 Was a consumer price index. They kept changing it. You know, it goes to the core 01:57:55.170 --> 01:57:59.730 CPI or what they took food fuel and housing off 01:58:00.630 --> 01:58:07.130 There's no inflation. You know just saying, you know, we changed it and I um 01:58:07.770 --> 01:58:15.450 I don't know what it is now. I stopped paying attention in the empire of lies. I don't believe the damn thing they say anyway, but the um 01:58:16.210 --> 01:58:18.050 How are we how do you? 01:58:19.070 --> 01:58:26.090 Gauge what inflation? How do you gauge what stack flation deflation inflation? What I remember you and I 01:58:26.090 --> 01:58:32.650 interviewing I had Addison Wiggins on, you know, my show regularly and you know, uh, what was it? 01:58:32.650 --> 01:58:32.930 Um 01:58:34.790 --> 01:58:35.890 The daily record 01:58:36.790 --> 01:58:40.290 well, um, it was Addison Wiggins and 01:58:40.810 --> 01:58:48.110 Um, Brenner Brennan. It was um the empire of bill bonner bill bonner bill bonner. And so 01:58:48.730 --> 01:58:55.290 You know, so the empire of debt we could see they were talking like, you know, this debt you guys keep talking about 01:58:55.290 --> 01:59:02.550 It's more like 80 90 trillion dollars. Well, then later you find out, you know, like, you know, buffett talked about 01:59:02.650 --> 01:59:09.090 The weapons of mass destruction or financial weapons or whatever is coming and then you did regger 01:59:09.090 --> 01:59:11.130 I remember calling, you know, billionaire 01:59:11.810 --> 01:59:17.630 Jim Rogers from all over the world, you know, new york and shanghai or whatever coming on your show 01:59:17.630 --> 01:59:19.850 and uh, he was 01:59:20.350 --> 01:59:25.850 You know, I tell you when it was and when you wrote your first book the dollar meltdown 01:59:25.850 --> 01:59:32.170 You're going Ernie. Uh, do you have all those cds that you recorded all the shows that I'd give you crap about? 01:59:32.170 --> 01:59:34.630 Why yes, I do wasn't working 01:59:35.470 --> 01:59:41.410 You know, but what you wanted in there was jim rogers made a point in 01:59:42.090 --> 01:59:45.270 God like oh five six around in there that 01:59:46.210 --> 01:59:47.530 freddy, um 01:59:47.530 --> 01:59:50.410 Fannie Mae and freddy mac had stopped 01:59:51.130 --> 01:59:55.430 Issuing their reports. They had stopped the reporting. They had stopped 01:59:55.430 --> 02:00:02.150 They knew the housing market was going they knew it was a whole bunch of the empire of financial life 02:00:02.710 --> 02:00:07.490 And he goes it's over here. It comes. That's just fyi everybody get ready 02:00:07.490 --> 02:00:12.150 Grudge your Lord. It's going to be a food thing. I mean, you know, oh, yeah 02:00:12.150 --> 02:00:17.690 Now I remember him saying yep the Ferrari drivers are going to be the farmers. Well, yeah 02:00:18.190 --> 02:00:22.590 You know, it's and that would be true if it wasn't for the manipulation 02:00:23.070 --> 02:00:28.370 Of the governments and the the debt that they put them on and you can't fix your tractor and you got me 02:00:28.370 --> 02:00:29.970 It's so bad 02:00:30.740 --> 02:00:33.650 I every all of this stuff was predicted 02:00:33.650 --> 02:00:40.230 Predicted by me predicted by you predicted by your guest, you know, it's just been here we go 02:00:40.850 --> 02:00:48.170 and it seems inevitable and the shows that I do and the people I talk to are generally 02:00:48.770 --> 02:00:55.490 How do we survive it? You know, I mean it's coming. It's baked in the cake. It has been for a long time 02:00:55.490 --> 02:00:57.210 and all we needed was 02:00:58.250 --> 02:01:05.690 The petrodollar to go away. Well, that's happening and I'm going how does that manifest itself? 02:01:05.950 --> 02:01:14.030 What do we do now while we still can because they're strip mining the middle class in America? 02:01:14.550 --> 02:01:16.790 Why two reasons one? 02:01:17.830 --> 02:01:23.870 That's where the money is and two because they can't and I did until they can't 02:01:23.870 --> 02:01:25.950 The cannot is win 02:01:26.590 --> 02:01:28.030 After they've already done it 02:01:28.750 --> 02:01:35.650 After a mushroom cloud is somewhere mushroom nuclear war comply no more try and get another dime out of me 02:01:35.650 --> 02:01:38.970 You know after you have nuclear clouds that you were supposed to be preventing 02:01:38.970 --> 02:01:39.490 I 02:01:40.350 --> 02:01:42.510 Try so this is 02:01:42.510 --> 02:01:43.650 I'm 02:01:45.570 --> 02:01:50.930 It's unwinding and you know your your book. Um, I was at uh 02:01:51.710 --> 02:01:57.050 Red and blue and black all over or no black and blue and red all over, you know 02:01:57.050 --> 02:01:59.930 I really resent my publisher because they 02:02:00.850 --> 02:02:07.690 They chose that title and I gradually went around along with it and nobody ever ever ever on 150 interviews 02:02:07.690 --> 02:02:09.610 Nobody ever got the title right. Maybe one 02:02:11.550 --> 02:02:17.210 It's red and blue and broke all over and I think they liked it because you know 02:02:17.210 --> 02:02:20.910 They knew I was equally critical of the red party and the blue party 02:02:20.910 --> 02:02:24.750 But you know they they were talking about you know red ink and broke 02:02:24.750 --> 02:02:28.790 And but it's because both of the parties the red and blue party are making this broke all over 02:02:28.790 --> 02:02:33.250 So they liked it. They thought it was very witty and I saw it wasn't my first choice 02:02:33.250 --> 02:02:35.410 but I went along with them and and uh 02:02:35.410 --> 02:02:40.850 Yeah, yeah, red blue broke all over. Thank you. Nobody. Yeah, it's that over, you know 02:02:41.650 --> 02:02:43.610 newspaper right it's 02:02:43.610 --> 02:02:46.770 Black and white red all over it was sort of a takeoff on that, you know 02:02:46.770 --> 02:02:49.970 So it had all these little strands, but it never really worked 02:02:50.610 --> 02:02:54.330 No, it makes more sense now red and blue and broke all over that's good 02:02:54.330 --> 02:02:57.870 Yeah, it's I I give some props for that but the point is is that 02:02:58.590 --> 02:03:00.450 This has not been 02:03:01.370 --> 02:03:01.850 um 02:03:02.450 --> 02:03:03.370 Uncovered by you 02:03:03.370 --> 02:03:13.230 It was always an economics thing the war morally bad bad bad bad, but what it ends in is economic calamity 02:03:13.610 --> 02:03:20.290 And that manifests itself into you know, you go hungry about about you know, you don't have enough 02:03:20.290 --> 02:03:24.490 You can't pay your electric bill. You can't pay your gas bill. You can't you can't you can't 02:03:25.010 --> 02:03:28.150 And you know donna and I we were poor for the longest time 02:03:28.150 --> 02:03:33.430 You know, I devoted everything into this and but during all that time 02:03:33.430 --> 02:03:39.470 I kept throwing silver under the bed kept putting it in the nightstand kept doing the only thing I could do 02:03:39.970 --> 02:03:42.710 Donna we need more beans. I mean you know that kind of thing 02:03:43.260 --> 02:03:47.790 And uh, I'm spending a lot of the time now. It's going to take me another week or two to finish 02:03:48.750 --> 02:03:53.930 Built bearing a 20 foot sphere in the ground for a root cellar 02:03:53.930 --> 02:03:56.910 That's what I'm working on right now and I should be finishing 02:03:57.430 --> 02:04:02.230 You know, uh, one of the prototype dwellings, you know my workshop that did and I go 02:04:02.230 --> 02:04:05.120 Nope because we need more food. Where are we going to put it? 02:04:06.230 --> 02:04:12.230 In a shipping container gets too hot. So we need that so I you know calculated the 02:04:12.710 --> 02:04:15.890 You know the cost benefit analysis and 02:04:16.310 --> 02:04:21.790 I need to get to where we can bury, you know the food we get into the cool earth 02:04:21.790 --> 02:04:25.950 We have a freezer down there. We got to start stockpiling food 02:04:26.530 --> 02:04:27.090 again 02:04:27.690 --> 02:04:32.550 So this is what we're doing because I feel it coming 02:04:34.490 --> 02:04:38.150 Am I paranoid am I doing the wrong thing charles? What do you think? 02:04:38.910 --> 02:04:43.190 Well, it's obviously coming and it's uh, you know fuel and food 02:04:43.190 --> 02:04:49.370 It's every aspect. It's every aspect of our lives medical care American life spans will start getting shorter again 02:04:49.370 --> 02:04:54.890 As they did a couple of years ago. They started decreasing and stuff because of the cost of medical care 02:04:55.510 --> 02:05:01.470 The government can't afford to pay all those things. I mean just can't it's it's wasted. Well, look just since 02:05:02.690 --> 02:05:07.090 Between I'd say 2000 and 2022, let's say 02:05:07.090 --> 02:05:08.870 the American people's 02:05:09.690 --> 02:05:13.930 Wasted ran up debt of on these wars of over eight trillion dollars 02:05:13.930 --> 02:05:18.530 And now we have to pay interest on that eight trillion dollars every year because it wasn't like we just spent the money 02:05:18.530 --> 02:05:24.610 And then it was over it was just added to the debt. It's eight trillion dollars a lot of money, you know, it 02:05:26.270 --> 02:05:31.750 It's eight trillion dollars ten percent would be eight hundred billion five percent would be four hundred billion 02:05:31.750 --> 02:05:33.170 It's hundreds of billions of dollars 02:05:33.730 --> 02:05:35.290 per year in debt service 02:05:35.290 --> 02:05:42.230 So it's going it's going to attract everything. I mean look you see it now the interest rates are high everybody kept praying over the last 02:05:42.850 --> 02:05:46.030 Few months for lower interest rates. The feds are going to cut interest rates 02:05:46.710 --> 02:05:51.730 Maybe my kids or younger people be able to get a mortgage or have a nice low rate 02:05:52.190 --> 02:05:55.730 We're waiting for a fed to cut rates and stuff. They can't cut rates 02:05:55.730 --> 02:05:59.210 If they cut rates, it's a desperation. It's the end of the world 02:05:59.210 --> 02:06:04.670 Because prices are going to go way way up without cutting rates and if they cut rates anymore 02:06:04.670 --> 02:06:10.450 I mean, nobody's gonna know, you know the same old same old story the inflation rates are nine percent and the 02:06:10.450 --> 02:06:12.450 Americans are offering you five percent 02:06:12.970 --> 02:06:16.030 So if you lend them money, nobody's going to want to do it 02:06:16.570 --> 02:06:19.910 Look the foreign governments, they know this money printing game really really well 02:06:19.910 --> 02:06:23.330 And they they fleece their own people with that they know how it works 02:06:23.330 --> 02:06:28.410 But they are not going to stand around and be fleeced by us in on this city longer 02:06:28.410 --> 02:06:32.010 So they you know, they're all kind of willing to have a little, you know 02:06:32.010 --> 02:06:35.850 Dollar reserves right now because they can use the dollar reserves in a number of ways 02:06:35.850 --> 02:06:38.490 It was always, you know, old pep oil was paid with dollars 02:06:38.490 --> 02:06:43.150 Well, they didn't have to have dollars because they could go to the currency markets to convent, you know switch 02:06:43.690 --> 02:06:44.090 You know 02:06:44.970 --> 02:06:49.350 Euroads to dollars to pay for the oil but but it was a convenience and it was a tradition 02:06:49.350 --> 02:06:51.970 You know, I've been going on since the end of world war two or longer 02:06:52.490 --> 02:06:56.630 So but all this is breaking down right now. It's breaking down before your very eyes 02:06:56.630 --> 02:07:00.110 There's nobody in washington that i'm aware of with the exception of 02:07:00.630 --> 02:07:05.270 I mean, it's certainly nobody in the administration that i'm aware of that understands any of this is going on 02:07:05.810 --> 02:07:07.990 You know, we're really in deep trouble and yet 02:07:09.010 --> 02:07:15.830 You know, tom woods who you know, and I know had a great line the other day started asking some of these questions about something 02:07:15.830 --> 02:07:19.690 And he said but wouldn't I ask these questions the you cannot answer me? 02:07:19.690 --> 02:07:25.270 It's not legitimate for you to answer me by saying usa usa usa 02:07:25.930 --> 02:07:31.030 But he's right that you know, would you start to question the administration your choices and stuff? 02:07:31.110 --> 02:07:35.610 That is your answer usa usa usa and it's not a flippant answer 02:07:35.610 --> 02:07:39.410 It doesn't answer, you know why we're going pell mail down this road 02:07:39.410 --> 02:07:46.130 So my job is I figure, you know, I mean I want to wake people up individual by individual and and 02:07:46.130 --> 02:07:50.310 Yet i'm standing here with a new book out and what i've done for a long time, you know, you're 02:07:50.310 --> 02:07:54.470 We're racing 80 miles an hour down the road. I've been ahead. I went 02:07:54.470 --> 02:07:59.730 Down the road ahead of us. I went around the curve that you can't see because that's what I do 02:07:59.730 --> 02:08:03.210 I went around the curve and I saw that there's a bridge washed out there 02:08:03.750 --> 02:08:08.430 So I come back, you know down the road and I see your you know spin them down the road 80 miles an hour 02:08:08.430 --> 02:08:12.270 And I kind of wave you down. I go, you know, hey, you might want to slow down. There's a bridge out 02:08:12.270 --> 02:08:16.190 Oh, do you you must have you must have been hate america hate america first 02:08:16.190 --> 02:08:21.910 But my answer to you is usa usa usa. Okay, go ahead 80 miles an hour go around the curve see what happens 02:08:22.870 --> 02:08:25.950 So that's where we are. It's a thankless flippant job 02:08:26.590 --> 02:08:32.570 But somebody's got to do it. Okay before you go, let's talk about the the beginnings of the book 02:08:33.150 --> 02:08:38.250 You know this you started this you know, hell your entire career paying attention all these lies 02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:42.130 But um to put them into a book 02:08:42.970 --> 02:08:45.490 And I know you started it earlier 02:08:46.200 --> 02:08:53.030 But now is the perfect time to come out with this. I mean, Venezuela and Iran. Oh my god, man 02:08:53.030 --> 02:08:56.090 This isn't on repeat. So, um 02:08:56.090 --> 02:09:01.030 Give me the the the chronology of you putting this together 02:09:01.030 --> 02:09:03.790 Having it sit there and then well 02:09:04.190 --> 02:09:10.390 Yeah, we just got to polish up the last chapter here. Of course that get her done get her done because here it comes 02:09:10.390 --> 02:09:15.830 You know, tell me about the formulation of this book while you're writing all your others 02:09:15.830 --> 02:09:23.350 Uh, a lot of this stuff you and I lived through, you know, so I the actual publishing of the book itself 02:09:23.350 --> 02:09:27.810 And how is it doing? I mean you're you know, I I I wanted to have you on right away 02:09:27.810 --> 02:09:31.070 But I go man, I I need to read it, you know, and I haven't finished it 02:09:31.070 --> 02:09:35.150 But I did you know started been really busy and I'm just going yeah, I remember this 02:09:35.150 --> 02:09:41.710 I remember this I remember this and it gets to where it's a tool for those of us that 02:09:42.250 --> 02:09:42.730 um 02:09:42.730 --> 02:09:45.650 And I'm trying to get you out james corbett corbett 02:09:45.650 --> 02:09:51.710 I've had to make sure you talked to the charles on this because I mean damn this is everything that we 02:09:52.270 --> 02:09:57.470 We've known you cover that we cover that and I I want to get the chronology 02:09:58.030 --> 02:10:05.830 Of the book itself and what finally convinced you and others that now is the time what was it? 02:10:06.190 --> 02:10:11.970 Well, I hope I hope your listeners and viewers are interested in this because it's a kind of a winding road 02:10:11.970 --> 02:10:15.450 I don't know. I think it's I think it's my fate, you know the dollar meltdown 02:10:15.450 --> 02:10:20.350 You can see one right behind me over this shoulder the yellow book there the dollar meltdown on this shoulder 02:10:20.350 --> 02:10:22.550 Of this one now this one 02:10:23.770 --> 02:10:30.030 So so I wrote the core chapters three of the core chapters of that 02:10:31.310 --> 02:10:35.050 Years before I wrote the book. I said well, these are essential principles 02:10:35.050 --> 02:10:38.930 I'm gonna write these three chapters that are in the middle of the book and uh 02:10:38.930 --> 02:10:41.350 Then when it was it was time to write the book 02:10:41.350 --> 02:10:44.750 I had these three core chapters and I fold them in I had to update them a little bit 02:10:44.750 --> 02:10:48.470 But the basic information and I don't know why you know when I wanted to write it 02:10:48.470 --> 02:10:51.230 I had to wait for years before it would be palatable with people 02:10:51.230 --> 02:10:54.690 It would have done a lot of people a lot of good if I could have gotten it out a lot 02:10:55.130 --> 02:11:00.710 Earlier and been very profitable even more so and and it was profitable for people 02:11:00.710 --> 02:11:01.890 I hear about it all the time 02:11:01.890 --> 02:11:08.630 But it would have been even more so if I got but I you know for some reason I have so with this book the empire of lies 02:11:09.310 --> 02:11:10.190 I actually 02:11:10.810 --> 02:11:13.090 Wrote the core concepts of this 02:11:13.670 --> 02:11:16.330 Back in I'm gonna tell you probably 2017 02:11:17.590 --> 02:11:18.030 And 02:11:19.430 --> 02:11:23.190 I trotted it around a little bit. I had an agent that you know 02:11:23.890 --> 02:11:27.030 Didn't buy any of this, you know stuff. He's kind of a liberal guy 02:11:27.030 --> 02:11:31.790 You know, you just thought you know, you can't say this about america. You're doing it wrong. Yeah 02:11:31.790 --> 02:11:39.190 Yeah, so okay, so but I tried it around a little bit and uh, you know, even even the places that you would think would be 02:11:40.050 --> 02:11:40.490 Uh 02:11:41.090 --> 02:11:47.470 Ameanable to a book like that, you know, we're like, well, you know, it's you know, they basically didn't buy the idea 02:11:48.190 --> 02:11:52.410 Until until after trump became elected and they started talking about you know 02:11:52.410 --> 02:11:55.330 People started talking openly about their lives of the iraq war 02:11:55.850 --> 02:11:56.170 So 02:11:56.170 --> 02:12:00.590 Anyway, I started writing and I put Ernie. I actually put the core ideas 02:12:00.590 --> 02:12:05.710 You know, I had like a couple of chapters that needed to be you know filled in and I had an outline and where I wanted to go 02:12:06.250 --> 02:12:09.010 So I had all that as far back as 2017 02:12:09.010 --> 02:12:13.430 I guess and I couldn't get it published so I thought well, you know what I'll do 02:12:13.430 --> 02:12:15.210 I'll just write it as a screenplay 02:12:15.890 --> 02:12:23.010 Because if people think this is you know, this is unacceptable. This is not possible. This is, you know, none of this stuff could possibly be true 02:12:23.770 --> 02:12:26.790 Um, I'll write it as a screenplay. I'll make it a motion picture 02:12:26.790 --> 02:12:34.210 And so I did and I used I mean it's a truth-based. It's a reality-based motion picture script and uh 02:12:34.930 --> 02:12:38.210 You know, I got some I got some pretty good nibbles on it and I got 02:12:39.010 --> 02:12:41.750 You know, I won some I don't know, uh 02:12:42.990 --> 02:12:47.390 Honors I guess or you know, uh finalist awards and screenplay competitions 02:12:47.890 --> 02:12:50.570 But when I turned it into the screenplay form a few years ago 02:12:50.570 --> 02:12:55.290 So I'd spent enough time doing that I didn't want to fool with that anymore and then finally 02:12:56.210 --> 02:13:00.390 About a year ago. I thought my god. It's now or never. I've got to get this book out there 02:13:00.390 --> 02:13:04.150 So I just went furiously to work on it and I brought everything up to date 02:13:04.150 --> 02:13:08.230 And I added the new stuff that had happened subsequently and I got rid of the old stuff that would be 02:13:08.230 --> 02:13:14.230 You know too old for people to really care about today to to the young people wouldn't really know about me 02:13:14.230 --> 02:13:16.610 You know, like I didn't want it to be a history book 02:13:17.190 --> 02:13:21.490 So, uh, I got rid of some of that stuff and I folded in the new stuff and uh 02:13:22.290 --> 02:13:27.630 And was able to provide a trajectory of where all of this lands how all this goes and 02:13:29.050 --> 02:13:33.230 And so our mutual friend scott horton from the libertarian institute 02:13:33.230 --> 02:13:33.950 Uh 02:13:35.030 --> 02:13:41.850 Is publishing and publish his books through the libertarian institute his institute and they've done great his book revoked 02:13:41.850 --> 02:13:47.530 You know how uh, you know, we got into the ukraine war how the united states and the deep state and 02:13:47.530 --> 02:13:50.770 You know, the washington establishment provoked, uh 02:13:50.770 --> 02:13:55.690 The uh the the war in ukraine has done fabulously 02:13:55.690 --> 02:14:01.630 And he has a couple of other books brighter than the sun about nuclear weapons enough already about the war on terror 02:14:01.630 --> 02:14:09.510 It's called enough already great books. Scott has a mind like an encyclopedia. He remembers everything. You can't name, you know, a third ranking 02:14:10.630 --> 02:14:17.010 Foreign official in some syrian or iraqi government 30 years ago that he doesn't know the guy's story 02:14:17.870 --> 02:14:22.770 So anyway, so I I said, why don't you guys publish this? He goes, yeah, we'll publish that 02:14:22.770 --> 02:14:26.310 So I took it to him and he brought it out here at the end of the year first of this year 02:14:26.770 --> 02:14:27.530 and uh 02:14:28.170 --> 02:14:34.530 And I'm really happy and so now I'm going back into public debate again. I mean I've been doing you know, I'm writing stuff for uh 02:14:35.050 --> 02:14:39.190 Current consumption. I have I still write about the economy for private clients 02:14:39.710 --> 02:14:43.730 But uh, I'm writing some pieces about the war in the state of the country 02:14:44.290 --> 02:14:47.630 And so on for the libertarian institute and I'm writing 02:14:49.470 --> 02:14:52.210 Writing some other stuff and I'm doing some, you know 02:14:52.210 --> 02:14:54.570 Well, do you have a sub stack? 02:14:55.990 --> 02:14:56.950 No, but 02:14:56.950 --> 02:15:00.530 Slacker, you know, I don't yeah, I don't I don't really you know 02:15:01.170 --> 02:15:03.450 I'm spread I'm spread pretty thin but anyway 02:15:03.450 --> 02:15:07.430 And now so I've signed on to the libertarian institute and they 02:15:07.430 --> 02:15:12.150 Highlight my work and they've named me executive editor too. So really very cool 02:15:12.150 --> 02:15:17.250 So it creates a little a little bit of a visibility for me and for my book and my work and stuff 02:15:17.250 --> 02:15:18.270 You know, Scott Burton 02:15:18.990 --> 02:15:23.050 Is a you know goes brings back memories as well because 02:15:23.630 --> 02:15:24.070 um 02:15:24.610 --> 02:15:25.810 Scott was you know 02:15:25.810 --> 02:15:29.910 admitted he's the skateboarder from austin texas kind of guy 02:15:30.450 --> 02:15:35.230 I remember he and I met when I went to uh crofford texas when we were in air america 02:15:35.230 --> 02:15:42.090 I was covering on the boots on the ground kind of thing with the protest against baby bush and the war and that 02:15:42.090 --> 02:15:47.610 It was the polo co six campaign of here comes obama 02:15:48.270 --> 02:15:53.030 You go high enough up on the pyramid and you find it's an all-seeing move on 02:15:53.030 --> 02:16:00.130 Left-right side of everything control and everybody cindy she had stuff camp kc scott was there 02:16:00.130 --> 02:16:03.930 You know with me alex jones and so on and 02:16:04.580 --> 02:16:07.110 We were the only ones that understood what was going on 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:11.270 You know you'd have on and then of course the bad guys doing it knew what was going on 02:16:11.270 --> 02:16:12.570 but it's all theater 02:16:13.330 --> 02:16:20.910 And our coverage during that time was so and used to have scott on a lot because he of course talked about 02:16:20.910 --> 02:16:25.310 You know 9 11 talked about war then he became anti-war radio 02:16:25.310 --> 02:16:32.670 You know on anti-war com and then eventually him and uh will greg started the libertarian institute and then will pass away 02:16:33.210 --> 02:16:40.570 And uh scott would not let it go well what happened is now he's the expert on all things middle east war 02:16:40.570 --> 02:16:47.750 You know be it, you know, afghanistan iraq ran yemen whatever and early he is an expert my gosh 02:16:47.750 --> 02:16:52.690 I I mean anybody that has to debate him is just he kicks their ass 02:16:52.690 --> 02:16:53.810 It's amazing 02:16:53.810 --> 02:16:59.450 I remember he was on with some neocom whatever on lex freedman 02:16:59.450 --> 02:17:05.550 And he would not let him say one freaking lie without interrupting you lying sack of snot 02:17:06.050 --> 02:17:08.710 Well like freeman had him on again 02:17:08.710 --> 02:17:10.310 at for 10 hours 02:17:10.890 --> 02:17:16.170 10 hours of downloading scott. He goes, you know, we we don't need anybody else 02:17:16.170 --> 02:17:19.270 We just let you download and it was amazing 02:17:19.950 --> 02:17:23.910 So our friend scott is the man and I I got to see him 02:17:24.590 --> 02:17:30.630 At ronpo's birthday party this last august. We got to hang but the um it has been 02:17:31.390 --> 02:17:35.130 A lot of great people that we've introduced to the public 02:17:35.550 --> 02:17:40.690 That you know that you've read that you participate that you debate in 02:17:41.130 --> 02:17:42.830 With this book coming out 02:17:42.830 --> 02:17:49.710 um, are you seeing another round of charles go yet coming out and are they trying to 02:17:50.530 --> 02:17:57.770 Diminish your importance trying to shadow ban you trying to whatever because they do not want charles go yet out there 02:17:57.770 --> 02:18:04.470 Giving them what fur I can tell you that you know, so as a longtime friend, you know better than than uh 02:18:04.470 --> 02:18:08.790 Anybody I pretty much took myself out of the public debate a few years ago someday 02:18:08.790 --> 02:18:11.950 I'll recount the story why I just didn't want to do it anymore 02:18:12.470 --> 02:18:15.690 Had an experience. So it was just like I can't believe this 02:18:16.230 --> 02:18:21.670 Is this I'm involved in this debate and these are the terms and the levels at which it's going to be conducted and stuff 02:18:21.670 --> 02:18:22.890 And the people you're debating 02:18:23.470 --> 02:18:29.150 Yeah, well, yeah, it wasn't yeah, it was just I don't want to recount it because I still haven't assimilated 02:18:29.150 --> 02:18:30.650 But I I said that's it 02:18:30.650 --> 02:18:37.810 You know, if this is the if this is how this uh american future is going to be decided that debates or discussions or 02:18:39.290 --> 02:18:43.330 Presentations of material at this level, you know, I'm not I'm not in for it anymore 02:18:43.330 --> 02:18:47.150 It was just so they have descended as such an imbecility 02:18:47.690 --> 02:18:51.050 I think it's you know, the level of debate has risen now again 02:18:51.050 --> 02:18:56.010 And anyway, so I put myself back in it. I've I've just opened myself up. I don't know really 02:18:56.750 --> 02:18:58.690 You know what I'm what I'm gonna do 02:18:58.690 --> 02:19:04.330 But you know where I I used to have a lot of opportunities coming my way and you know shows and 02:19:04.850 --> 02:19:09.030 Things that people wanted to do and stuff and I just you know swept it all aside 02:19:09.690 --> 02:19:15.930 And uh, you know, I got offered a national radio commentary and I just I didn't want to do it anymore 02:19:15.930 --> 02:19:17.930 I just couldn't stand it anymore 02:19:18.570 --> 02:19:22.110 and uh, so, you know, I've kind of gotten gotten over the 02:19:22.890 --> 02:19:28.610 You know the kind of depressive effect of how bad it was at the time and it's a little better now 02:19:28.610 --> 02:19:33.470 So I'm putting I'm so I'm just opening myself up and I you know something interesting to come along and 02:19:33.910 --> 02:19:36.690 You know, and I'll do that and and things interesting 02:19:36.690 --> 02:19:41.750 I got a feeler from somebody the other day about something and you know, scott was good enough to put me on as 02:19:42.610 --> 02:19:44.930 executive editor of the Libertarian Institute 02:19:44.930 --> 02:19:50.770 So, you know, it's opened some doors for me being out again in it. So I'm riding with the tide go with the flow 02:19:50.770 --> 02:19:57.450 I'm gonna get a Charles Goyette AI. I want to go to be Charles Goyette AI on Friems Phoenix 02:19:58.610 --> 02:20:03.630 Charles said, you know, this is it's been great to get caught up with you Charles 02:20:03.630 --> 02:20:09.170 I I'm I'm so glad that you're back in the fray because it it is so 02:20:10.190 --> 02:20:13.270 Rare, I mean, it's not as rare 02:20:13.970 --> 02:20:22.750 I'm available great minds that we can you know glean information from like I have Karen Katowski on quite a bit 02:20:22.750 --> 02:20:25.610 You know, that's one thing before you go and tell this story 02:20:26.190 --> 02:20:27.710 When you were doing 02:20:28.810 --> 02:20:31.310 You know kind of not for 02:20:32.190 --> 02:20:35.330 Hookline and sinker or support the troops, uh, baby bushes 02:20:35.910 --> 02:20:39.610 Iraq war kind of, you know, and they were explaining it to you, you know 02:20:39.610 --> 02:20:45.430 There was you'd have your own secretary of defense or whatever, you know, Colonel Hackworth that had his own 02:20:45.430 --> 02:20:47.650 Website that he was a very popular 02:20:47.650 --> 02:20:52.230 Vietnam era guy that you know, he's you know, the soldier's 02:20:52.890 --> 02:20:54.810 officer kind of thing and 02:20:55.500 --> 02:20:59.050 Karen Katowski was a lieutenant colonel in the Pentagon 02:20:59.820 --> 02:21:00.110 with 02:21:00.910 --> 02:21:05.470 Cheney and Rumsfeld walking right by her and she's writing for his site 02:21:05.470 --> 02:21:09.630 And of course they're looking for a guy couldn't possibly, you know, misogynist 02:21:09.630 --> 02:21:13.890 You know, it could possibly a woman that's beating the crap out of us and it wasn't even really a secret 02:21:13.890 --> 02:21:18.750 You know, she was publishing this stuff saying what the hell are these people 02:21:19.310 --> 02:21:25.050 And it was and we just had her on here recently, but the last couple weeks, but the um 02:21:26.710 --> 02:21:27.230 Her 02:21:27.930 --> 02:21:35.230 Colonel Hackworth the information that you were sharing was why they were targeting you and I'm I'm wondering 02:21:35.470 --> 02:21:36.070 You know 02:21:37.230 --> 02:21:44.470 Are there any others like that now even back then you were able to find the dissenters 02:21:44.470 --> 02:21:46.810 Who do you think the dissenters are now? 02:21:49.170 --> 02:21:54.550 I don't know. I mean, uh, you know, and I'm not entirely agree with all the dissenters on everything 02:21:54.550 --> 02:21:57.370 I still maintain my point of view, but I mean I 02:21:57.890 --> 02:21:59.810 I just I posted a 02:22:00.890 --> 02:22:04.190 Congratulatory thing to Joe Kent when he came out of the closet 02:22:04.990 --> 02:22:11.370 I've been waiting for Tulsi Gabbard to do the same and I know I know the syndrome. I know what you know to try to excuse them 02:22:11.370 --> 02:22:15.850 I don't know if it's right, but you know, sometimes they think well, I'm inside and I have some authority and maybe 02:22:15.850 --> 02:22:20.790 You know, I can use that to steer away from the madness and you know, be some help 02:22:21.330 --> 02:22:26.170 In that way, you know, I think it's more helpful if she makes a dramatic statement and 02:22:26.590 --> 02:22:30.650 Resigns, but there are there, you know, there are a lot of people and you can see come out and you can find them 02:22:30.650 --> 02:22:30.970 Karen 02:22:31.610 --> 02:22:35.710 Karen was wonderful and I used to get her on the air all the time back during that time 02:22:35.710 --> 02:22:38.810 you know, I thought I've heard the other day when 02:22:40.530 --> 02:22:42.190 Tucker Carlson said, you know the 02:22:42.730 --> 02:22:46.850 The top brass the IDF brass from Israel make themselves at home that 02:22:47.250 --> 02:22:50.750 At the Pentagon, you know, they just walk right in they don't have to sign in 02:22:50.750 --> 02:22:57.670 They do what they want the bar quarters and stuff and people say no, they don't know they don't that's impossible. You must be anti 02:22:57.670 --> 02:23:04.350 Israeli anti Jewish anti Zionist to say that because it's not true yet. I have a long memory 02:23:04.910 --> 02:23:10.330 I'm not mistaken Karen Kukowski was telling me about how they were doing that in the office of special plans 02:23:10.910 --> 02:23:13.210 under uh, Douglas fife and uh 02:23:14.070 --> 02:23:17.090 Paul Wolfowitz and stuff that they just had to run of a place 02:23:17.530 --> 02:23:20.830 And uh, you know show ID. Huh, don't you understand? 02:23:21.370 --> 02:23:26.490 So, I mean there's precedent for this and so I find it very easy to believe that it's still going on 02:23:26.490 --> 02:23:30.110 Anyway, she was wonderful, but there are people out there. I'm sure you have them on too 02:23:30.690 --> 02:23:32.130 and uh, you know, it's 02:23:32.610 --> 02:23:34.490 You know, those people a special 02:23:35.010 --> 02:23:38.850 Special badge of courage and place in heaven for people like that that are willing to tell the truth 02:23:39.390 --> 02:23:41.370 And for charles go yeah 02:23:42.010 --> 02:23:44.430 You know, I I'm I'm so glad 02:23:45.130 --> 02:23:50.470 He's back, you know, and they they then those have no idea what that means 02:23:51.050 --> 02:23:55.850 And whatever a service I can be and we're we're launching, um 02:23:55.850 --> 02:24:00.470 Wednesday night, you know, I think uh, james corbert and I are going to go ahead and launch 02:24:00.470 --> 02:24:05.170 Launch libertas dot earth, which is you know, the philosophy of liberty animation 02:24:05.630 --> 02:24:10.370 We got 50-something languages and you know about that and you're supportive, but the um 02:24:10.370 --> 02:24:12.730 um, that's kind of my 02:24:12.730 --> 02:24:17.670 Contribution along with your book and things like that. It's just um 02:24:18.340 --> 02:24:19.250 the solution 02:24:20.450 --> 02:24:28.250 Is with us. It's as individuals the centralization of power and authority and and decision making 02:24:28.800 --> 02:24:32.430 Down to the individual that's always in brother amen 02:24:32.970 --> 02:24:37.930 That's kind of been our and this whole I do the it's really it's been 10 years 02:24:38.570 --> 02:24:42.170 We're doing the trump report once a week with dr. Frank tambourine 02:24:42.730 --> 02:24:45.970 And I'm really tired of the discussion 02:24:46.630 --> 02:24:49.730 It it it's still it's like the argument over 02:24:50.490 --> 02:24:51.470 Do you 02:24:52.110 --> 02:24:54.730 Pick someone to delegate your authority to to rule you 02:24:55.430 --> 02:24:58.730 And I'm like, well, there's the first problem right there, you know 02:24:58.730 --> 02:25:03.370 And well, you gotta have because we gotta can't have nice things if you don't have somebody 02:25:03.870 --> 02:25:11.230 You know go in the war for you, you know, or I just this is it's so gone so bad the only solution, you know, my 02:25:11.930 --> 02:25:18.370 Presentations we traveling, you know the country the world speaking on different things. It's always been about 02:25:19.350 --> 02:25:24.330 Reclaiming your sovereignty as an individual that you own yourself that you 02:25:24.870 --> 02:25:31.650 Take responsibility for educating your children the food that goes in your bodies the purity of the the water 02:25:31.650 --> 02:25:36.210 The air god knows what the hell they're doing with that, but you know, it's um 02:25:37.070 --> 02:25:40.070 It's coming it's here. It's like some most 02:25:40.070 --> 02:25:42.730 Biblical. Oh, here's one thing to end on 02:25:44.010 --> 02:25:50.490 In the late 70s early 80s, I remember I for whatever reason I was prompted encouraged to read 02:25:51.070 --> 02:25:57.090 The late great planet earth by hal Lindsey and it was about, you know revelation and the coming 02:25:57.590 --> 02:26:02.310 You know, whatever we gotta, you know, take down the dorm of the rock muslim temple rebuild the temple 02:26:02.310 --> 02:26:05.550 Get a red heifer to whatever the antichrist got blah blah blah blah 02:26:05.550 --> 02:26:09.890 And you can see them. It's like they're checking off boxes 02:26:10.370 --> 02:26:13.310 It's not so much that it's that it's 02:26:14.030 --> 02:26:19.530 Preordained as much as they're ordained at it. I mean, you know, they want to they're using the bible 02:26:20.190 --> 02:26:26.730 As a deed to the land when you you do any amount of research we're going to be doing this thursday a thing on this 02:26:26.730 --> 02:26:29.430 and i'm just um 02:26:30.050 --> 02:26:31.910 They're using the 02:26:31.910 --> 02:26:35.330 Book of revelation as a script 02:26:36.110 --> 02:26:40.370 To justify whatever the hell is coming. Whatever we got to do 02:26:40.370 --> 02:26:43.310 We're gonna we're gonna make sure there's an arm again kind of thing 02:26:43.950 --> 02:26:46.890 And I can see it that this was 02:26:46.890 --> 02:26:55.070 Uh, something that kind of sparked interest in whatever and it seems less of prophecy and more of a movie script 02:26:55.070 --> 02:26:56.490 What what's your opinion? 02:26:57.990 --> 02:27:03.770 Yeah, well people are using stuff like that to further their political aims. I don't think 02:27:05.950 --> 02:27:09.070 I don't think it's a legitimate and I 02:27:10.110 --> 02:27:11.450 I think uh 02:27:11.450 --> 02:27:15.070 There are a lot of people manipulating a lot of things to prevail 02:27:15.630 --> 02:27:17.270 in their earthly designs 02:27:17.910 --> 02:27:21.610 for uh, earthly kingdom that they control and 02:27:21.610 --> 02:27:22.590 um 02:27:23.370 --> 02:27:26.090 I'm not a part of it. Not interested, you know 02:27:27.110 --> 02:27:33.430 Well the lies uncovering, you know the secrets and exposing the lies empire of lies 02:27:33.430 --> 02:27:37.850 This has been you know, charles and I have been on the same page on this 02:27:38.410 --> 02:27:42.710 Thank you for spending this extra time with me. I got well almost two and a half hours 02:27:42.710 --> 02:27:44.230 Adia, you know 02:27:44.230 --> 02:27:50.370 I was hoping that we would be able to just have a conversation. You guys get reintroduced to charles goyette 02:27:50.370 --> 02:27:57.530 Because he's going to be a voice in this and in this this wilderness of bullshit 02:27:58.050 --> 02:28:01.130 You know, who do you have that knows? 02:28:01.710 --> 02:28:03.910 You know what what's happened? 02:28:04.050 --> 02:28:05.770 I mean he he was in the army during vietnam 02:28:06.250 --> 02:28:07.130 he would you know 02:28:07.130 --> 02:28:08.750 He was a journalist then 02:28:08.750 --> 02:28:15.490 He owned his own station became a very popular talk show host at you know a few stations here 02:28:15.490 --> 02:28:18.270 And then he's on the clear channel version between 02:28:18.890 --> 02:28:25.410 Sean Hannity and rush limbaugh or was rush limbaugh than Sean Hannity between there was charles goyette 02:28:26.090 --> 02:28:33.570 with logic and reason freedom oriented constitutional libertarian whatever the heck and they them those 02:28:33.570 --> 02:28:38.050 Did not like it in spite of being number one 02:28:39.290 --> 02:28:40.930 overwhelmingly bright future 02:28:41.650 --> 02:28:42.850 On their stations 02:28:43.490 --> 02:28:48.610 And they think they did the Tucker but on a much bigger scale, you know, he was number one on box 02:28:49.150 --> 02:28:52.630 Same thing. They did the Tucker, you know, I'm a microcosm compared to him 02:28:52.630 --> 02:28:55.830 But they'll sacrifice the number one spot in an instant 02:28:55.830 --> 02:28:58.330 So somebody goes off the reservation. Yeah 02:28:58.330 --> 02:29:05.250 And we and we experienced it here in arizona with the arizona republic newspaper getting bought up by gannett and doing the 02:29:05.250 --> 02:29:10.890 Been there done that and my whole thing was election fraud in 02:29:12.090 --> 02:29:13.690 maricopa county arizona 02:29:13.690 --> 02:29:17.990 Gee neon. I freaking told you so so this is a prize 02:29:17.990 --> 02:29:18.930 I know 02:29:18.930 --> 02:29:21.470 You're never a prophet in your own land, man 02:29:21.470 --> 02:29:27.510 I mean, it's just but we have been proven to be right and what satisfaction do we get out of that? 02:29:28.050 --> 02:29:29.490 Not a bit 02:29:30.850 --> 02:29:38.030 Only if things change in response. That's the only satisfaction and they haven't right. I mean, we need that we need to have 02:29:38.490 --> 02:29:40.430 You know, uh, this chronology 02:29:41.030 --> 02:29:43.790 In the empire of lies. So you understand 02:29:44.470 --> 02:29:46.990 That you're always being lied to 02:29:47.650 --> 02:29:52.410 I mean, it's like constant. It's like this is another comment. I wanted you to comment on before we go 02:29:55.090 --> 02:30:00.630 Politicians and politicos you catch them on stuff and you know, uh, you ask them a question 02:30:01.330 --> 02:30:03.430 Even if the truth 02:30:04.250 --> 02:30:06.350 Would benefit them more 02:30:07.150 --> 02:30:08.470 They still lie 02:30:09.870 --> 02:30:11.210 It's like default 02:30:11.930 --> 02:30:16.630 I know something you don't well the truth when it helps giving you a softball. Nope 02:30:16.990 --> 02:30:17.670 They lie 02:30:18.370 --> 02:30:22.810 What pathology is that what why do they do that? You know what I'm talking about 02:30:23.370 --> 02:30:23.930 Sure, I do 02:30:24.630 --> 02:30:29.050 You know what it's a pathological pathology. It's just pathological 02:30:31.530 --> 02:30:34.610 There there's something wrong with these people 02:30:34.610 --> 02:30:40.350 Literally and I didn't understand it until I don't know the god five years ago 02:30:40.350 --> 02:30:46.230 It wasn't very long ago when we started studying sociopathy and I'm just like they're psychopaths 02:30:46.230 --> 02:30:49.530 Well psychopaths sociopaths. What the hell does that even mean? 02:30:50.050 --> 02:30:52.270 They do not have the capacity 02:30:53.030 --> 02:30:58.170 To empathize with someone and they don't have shame or guilt and they just 02:30:59.290 --> 02:30:59.810 don't 02:31:00.390 --> 02:31:00.910 care 02:31:01.810 --> 02:31:03.770 Because a lot of times they're incapable of caring 02:31:03.770 --> 02:31:07.710 They just want what they want because they want it and they're willing to do 02:31:07.710 --> 02:31:13.650 Any and everything to get it. They're willing to lie. They're willing to cheat 02:31:13.650 --> 02:31:16.070 They have an empire of lies 02:31:16.070 --> 02:31:18.010 They're willing to kill 02:31:19.070 --> 02:31:21.750 They're willing to go so far as to kill 02:31:22.370 --> 02:31:26.010 Innocent people who are not in the way of their plans 02:31:26.010 --> 02:31:30.290 They're a little damn hopes and they're willing to kill them 02:31:30.750 --> 02:31:37.230 In the pursuit of their own their own private objectives. They're willing to kill people wholesale wide scale 02:31:38.130 --> 02:31:43.630 And and you have to support that what you want to see more of 02:31:43.650 --> 02:31:47.930 We need more charles charles go ahead has been doing this 02:31:48.570 --> 02:31:49.630 for decades 02:31:50.970 --> 02:31:57.430 Decades he has proved himself decades. They took him to the cliff the mountain overlooked and this all 02:31:57.430 --> 02:32:00.750 Could be yours charles if you would only 02:32:01.410 --> 02:32:03.270 And he goes now i'm good, you know 02:32:04.050 --> 02:32:10.730 What i've been through this when they tried, you know, it was there, you know, um, the new guy took over from francis at 02:32:11.830 --> 02:32:17.750 Kfnx where we were at and they were you know, one of the sign, you know, give me a better contract before I 02:32:17.750 --> 02:32:23.470 You know, I said now i'm good. I left and got replaced and I started working with you but the um 02:32:24.130 --> 02:32:30.990 What they did is they wanted me to sign a contract, but it gave them ownership of all my archive 02:32:31.810 --> 02:32:38.330 And i'm gonna hold hell no because there was a bunch of archives they wanted and i'm going no not gonna well 02:32:38.330 --> 02:32:39.350 You're gonna be 02:32:39.350 --> 02:32:41.190 You know come 02:32:41.930 --> 02:32:47.350 Sorry when you don't have that microphone. I think I give a crap, but i'm for saving humanity man 02:32:47.350 --> 02:32:53.630 I'm gonna shit about this microphone. So this is you know, I got children and grandchildren. They don't understand that 02:32:54.250 --> 02:32:58.590 charles understands he was offered the world 02:32:59.250 --> 02:32:59.890 national 02:33:00.730 --> 02:33:01.090 recognition 02:33:01.790 --> 02:33:07.190 national guess he had on constantly he was right there and they 02:33:07.190 --> 02:33:10.070 presented it to him if only 02:33:10.710 --> 02:33:12.530 and he didn't 02:33:12.530 --> 02:33:16.130 props man props and i'm telling you 02:33:16.130 --> 02:33:21.570 This is now charles's time that we need to support him 02:33:21.970 --> 02:33:22.430 go 02:33:22.990 --> 02:33:24.650 by the book 02:33:24.650 --> 02:33:25.990 at a principle 02:33:27.030 --> 02:33:31.310 Because you want to support that you want to see more of 02:33:32.050 --> 02:33:33.730 more charles going yet 02:33:34.470 --> 02:33:36.290 for me and for you 02:33:37.190 --> 02:33:44.510 Thank you. Ernie. Thank you for having me on. It's uh, it's available only at amazon.com amazon.com. It's called empire of lies 02:33:45.270 --> 02:33:50.090 Fragments from the memory hole. There are several books out there by the way with the name empire of lies 02:33:50.630 --> 02:33:54.890 This is empire of lies fragments from the memory hole. This is the one about the real world 02:33:54.890 --> 02:34:01.590 There are like spy stories that use that title and so on but this is the real world empire of lies fragments from the memory hole 02:34:01.590 --> 02:34:04.970 That's the book cover and it's unmistakable when you see it 02:34:04.970 --> 02:34:10.070 You'll know it's the empire of lies about the real world. Thank you. Ernie. This this is the beginning 02:34:10.550 --> 02:34:16.610 Of a resurrection of charles's input sooner or later. They have to have 02:34:17.370 --> 02:34:18.010 charles 02:34:18.010 --> 02:34:26.950 Coming to give them any credibility of anybody that's doing a dissection of what the shit is going on 02:34:27.470 --> 02:34:28.010 You know 02:34:28.650 --> 02:34:31.830 Charles knows from the beginning been there done that 02:34:31.830 --> 02:34:38.030 Talked to the principles know to the point that he was targeted heavily 02:34:38.610 --> 02:34:39.830 And he wrote the article 02:34:40.410 --> 02:34:42.050 How to lose your job and talk right? 02:34:44.330 --> 02:34:49.710 He knew it was coming and that's where you know and my role was I was on you know the other stage 02:34:49.710 --> 02:34:53.650 I brought charles over i'm like you get your ass over you stay on the air 02:34:53.650 --> 02:34:57.230 Well, they're not going to be able to pow give a shit get your butt over here 02:34:57.230 --> 02:35:04.010 Keep no we need this. Well, I'm doing the same thing charles. We need this you keep your butt out there, man 02:35:04.010 --> 02:35:05.690 And I'll do what I can to help 02:35:06.350 --> 02:35:12.250 Peace brother. Thanks for coming on. It's been great to catch up. I'm glad you and alley. You're doing well 02:35:12.250 --> 02:35:13.530 Things are good in tennessee 02:35:14.510 --> 02:35:16.190 All good likes good 02:35:16.850 --> 02:35:18.890 Now he moved from arizona to tennessee 02:35:18.890 --> 02:35:22.470 You know my daughter and son a lot of they almost picked tennessee 02:35:22.470 --> 02:35:28.870 I think they are picking oklahoma donna is that they have been traveling around looking for where to light and they want the 02:35:28.870 --> 02:35:31.670 Rolling hills of whatever so 02:35:32.290 --> 02:35:36.270 This is we're going to lose one of our family members from arizona dammit 02:35:36.270 --> 02:35:41.550 You know you're bringing them grandbabies back, but this has been a great interview 02:35:41.550 --> 02:35:44.070 I'm glad people got that reintroduced to you 02:35:44.070 --> 02:35:51.230 I look forward to seeing more of charles go yet empire of lies going amazon empire of lies 02:35:52.150 --> 02:35:56.670 Fragments from the memory hole and that's what it looks like right there go get some 02:35:57.190 --> 02:36:00.270 Charles thank you very much for coming on. It's always good talking brother 02:36:00.730 --> 02:36:06.230 Good to catch up with you early and thank you for having me on say hi to donna. You bet. Bye. Bye. Okay. Bye, bud