Hello and welcome to the King Heroes Journey podcast.
My name is Beth Martens.
I'll be your host today and I have the immense pleasure
of hosting Ms. Kelsey Kenney for her third interview.
So before I bring her on,
I just wanted to make a few announcements.
I see she's in the backstage there
and will probably just be on audio
due to connection kind of things,
which I'm used to and that's totally fine.
I know what she looks like and she's beautiful.
So there's lots coming up right now
and I want to make sure and tell you now
because we're gonna really get into the depths
of brain and breath food very, very soon.
And let me see if I can make that banner actually stay on.
Oh, weird.
Okay.
They got new features here
and sometimes they add to the functionality
and sometimes they complicate the crap
out of the functionality.
As a matter of fact,
I wanted to get a vote from people about the two streams.
One is like vertical ones horizontal that go to YouTube.
Now, should I be doing that?
Does it just water down the one stream
or something like that?
Are people using it like in that?
Is there any reason for it?
It's one of the things.
So, oh, look at this.
Best live on the internet, two sexy brains.
So good.
Thank you, Lisa.
I really appreciate that.
Yeah, I personally, I find intelligence
and brains to be very sexy.
I can actually be lured.
Now, don't tell anyone this,
but I can be lured by intelligence alone.
So I have to keep an eye on that.
And Kelsey's definitely one of the smart ones,
but before we get started,
let me tell you about what's coming up.
So in the house of free will,
which is my private association,
we actually have,
it's the kind of love your liver fast
over the next few days and the weekend.
And in the house of free will,
we have our own private love your liver group
because a lot of the people in my world
have seen the wisdom of the love your liver nutrition
detective approach to health
of which Kelsey is a practitioner
and a really good advocate
and very knowledgeable about.
So we're gonna be meeting tomorrow for a meetup.
It just is so nice to jump on,
talk to people about their experiences.
What have they noticed changing
where they bumping up against trouble?
I don't give advice,
but by this point, 14 months into it,
I do have a fair amount of knowledge.
And often people can really get something out of that.
So we've been enjoying those every couple of weeks.
And there's also house of free will round table
in law coming up.
We're doing the foundations of English law as a series,
which doesn't sound very sexy at all.
But guess what the truth is sexy
and going down to the foundations of law
is exactly how you get out of all of the psyops.
Of our alternative law world
just like the natural health world.
And that leads me to letting you know that
tomorrow is our regularly scheduled
Beth of fresh air podcast,
which is always Friday at 2 p.m. central.
I'm hosting Dagmar Stansova again
to do the decult natural health part two.
And she's got a list of 27 things
that she has direct experience with.
We don't know if we're gonna get all the way through
the 27 of them, but we'll definitely pick the highlights.
And then I'm gonna be recording an interview
with Garrett Smith who is the creator
of the love your liver platform.
And we're gonna be doing,
I'm gonna be interviewing him to give the basics
on toxic bile theory, but this will not be live
or on my channels.
It's gonna be coming out on his.
So you'll wanna go and subscribe
to nutrition detective on YouTube.
That's where he does all of his lives
and post his videos.
And then coming up on Monday, Alex Michael
who is the conspiracy music guru.
If you're not familiar with him,
he's done a lot of music over the pandemic, especially.
And we're gonna go deep into Sulfedio sound.
And what is the secret of that thing that I like
and I don't know anything about.
So I'm really excited to host him.
He's a really cool guy.
I haven't had the pleasure to meet him yet.
And then we got Christmas
where it's gonna be a little quiet,
but coming up December 29, Jacob Lieberman
is coming on to talk about the eyes and seeing
and the depths to which we can see beyond the eyes.
He's a great guy.
I don't think he woke up to the agendas,
at least not the last time I talked to him,
but he's so full of wisdom in other ways.
I couldn't resist inviting him for another one.
And then you should know also
that my course creator code,
which is filling up nicely.
I'm super excited to be hosting this.
The early bird is only on until December 29th.
So if you haven't heard about it, you haven't seen it.
I'm gonna share a link in the chat
so that people can take a look at that.
It's about becoming a visioneer and a creator next level.
Maybe you're already there.
This is a, and you just wanna grow exponentially.
That's kind of where I'm at.
So creator code for those of you who don't know
is a 12 week journey designed to free you
from the unconscious patterns that shape your choices,
your vision and your future.
The tagline on the course is deprogramming your future.
Cause we don't wanna go into it with fear
and driven by all the wrong things.
So it's gonna be through archetype work,
somatic practice, emotional mastery,
small supportive pods that are optional,
but very good for accountability and practice.
And in the process, you'll be able to unravel the patterns
that are rooted in fear, survival,
and all of our conditioning
and reconnects with a natural ability
to see clearly and choose clearly
and create from freedom rather than from fear.
And Mayas, hello, welcome.
You're saying the video is not there?
You mean you can't see me here right now?
If you don't mind to clarify, that would be awesome.
And hello, Jasper.
Welcome, come and say hello in the chat.
And Ms. Jackie Kay, I'm very glad to host you here.
It's audio only, Maya.
We should be on camera.
Yeah, no, we should be on camera.
You guys can't see me?
You don't know what I'm doing right now?
Yeah, it's only Kelsey that's gonna be off camera.
So darn it's showing me on camera.
What do you guys see?
So yeah, this is not audio only.
It's just audio of Kelsey.
So you can't see me, oh, that's weird.
Okay, I'm gonna just try and see what the settings say here.
I'm on my only camera, you can't see me.
All right, well, we got some glitches in the,
so I just turned my camera off.
I'm gonna turn it on again, cannot see me.
That's weird, too bad.
I got all dressed up for you guys and everything.
Hello, Danny, welcome.
Well, I don't think I'm gonna delay anymore.
I really can't imagine why that might be.
And so it looks like that's on Facebook and YouTube.
So that makes me think that there's something wrong
with StreamYard, so I'm sorry, I'm not gonna delay,
but I will be bringing Kelsey on before I do that.
I'm gonna introduce her.
So this is a first person bio that she's written
in detail, I won't go through the whole entire thing,
but basically she was very sick, born jaundice,
and had a lot of complications over the years.
Like we all did, we made a lot of mistakes in the health world,
whether that was with conventional system
or the alternative system.
And she tried exclusively conventional at the start
and moved to others.
And then three years ago had a major breakthrough
when she tried flush niacin, which is a real turning point,
and also came through the work of Dr. Garrett Smith,
and her insights gave her clarity
to a newfound understanding of the true causes
of chronic illness.
We're gonna be going deep into niacin today
because that is very related to the brain and breath food.
And she says, for the first time,
she began to make meaningful progress towards detox,
wellness, and vitality for herself and her children.
And it was a massive relief to her in many levels.
Her life's work now makes sense, she says,
and her degree in cell and molecular biology
and her experience in biotech fields she pursued
in an effort to understand her own disease,
finally have a proper application.
She can now help herself and help others heal.
She is a practitioner, a very good one.
She is working directly with me
behind the scenes in Love Your Liver.
And oh my goodness, I've had so many amazing things.
I made a list of 21 symptoms that are either gone
or have been vastly reduced in 14 months on this training.
So I just shared the link, Nutrition Detective,
and without further ado, I'm gonna bring Kelsey on.
Hello, Kelsey, welcome.
Hello.
Hi, hi.
Hi, thank you for being here.
Hi, Eliza, hubba hubba, thank you for saying
we got sexy brains here.
I was just looking that up.
That's called a sapio file?
Yeah, okay, attracted to intelligence.
Ah, now I have a word.
Now I have a word, that's good.
Yeah, yeah, now we have a word, it's a good one.
So we don't need to be on camera today.
I guess not, right?
Like it just exudes out of us.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Yeah, all right, let me see if I can get your banner
to stay up now, very good.
And yeah, so we're gonna go deep in this
and I have to admit off the top, Kelsey,
that it was hard for me to even think of questions
because cell and molecular biology are not my subject.
But when I hear you, often behind the scenes
in the Love Your Liver Network and office hours and stuff,
when you geek out on it, my brain gets hungry.
I'm like, okay, I wanna hear a lot more of that stuff.
So definitely don't hold back,
even if you feel like it's over our heads.
I'm a pretty good question asker.
If I don't know what you're talking about
or need more clarification or figure that the people
taking this in would also benefit
from more clarification, then I'll do that.
And originally, yeah, originally we were gonna
just talk brain food, but it turns out
that you're also deep into the nutrition side of breath.
So those are two very, I imagine related functions
as everything is in the body.
And do you wanna start with, say, even the problems
that people face when it comes to the brain
and the breath being starving?
Maybe we do have to take those one at a time?
Sure, so well, I'll start with my own story.
It wasn't, it's not too long ago
that I was going along on the program
and I had made significant gains
as you talked about in the bio.
And I was doing really well,
everything made sense to me for the first time.
You know, in my life, I'm getting really healthy
and I'm still on this journey too.
So I spent a long time poisoning myself.
Well, not all of it was my fault, I was born jaundiced,
but and it's not over yet.
I still got some stuff to work on
and I certainly did a few months ago
when I discovered that my breath was what was holding me back.
So basically, I give consults and everything
and we read your hair level of toxic metals.
We check your blood results
and we only do a few blood tests.
Those are the ones that Dr. Smith has seen
over his almost two decades of experience.
The only ones that matter
and the only ones that we,
okay, we might do something about too.
That's another thing he always asks is like,
why are you doing this test?
Is it going to change what you're going to do?
If not, then why are you doing that?
Why are you stressing yourself out?
So anyway, so yeah,
been also the formulator for Dr. Smith
and nutrition detective
and we're coming up with all sorts of things
and the zinc staff that I made
has really been very popular too
and particularly proud of that one
and we just got all sorts of great things from the works.
But anyways, so I was still having though
and I didn't talk about this a whole lot
to everybody when I was still struggling with my program.
I was still struggling with some significant fatigue
and that was and we have a questionnaire
that we give to all of our clients
that say, what are the three most important symptoms
that you want to work on today?
Because we want people to stay motivated
as we go in this program
and things will go up and down
and you'll have some little things pop up
and here and there you're going to stub your toe
on the marathon at some point, right?
But we're not worried about that.
We're trying to get to the goal
and one of those was fatigue.
So that was really important to me
and I still was feeling like I was sleeping
bigger than I should have been.
And it took kind of a wake-up call for me
to understand that that's what was going on.
Like I was waking up after plenty of sleep
and I was still tired
and it would take quite a while
to get going during the day
and I couldn't figure it out.
So I really had to go back to basics
and the basics of just thinking about
the triangle of our needs,
the Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
Like what am I missing here?
We're going to start over because I know that
it's going to get better
and lots of people's fatigue has improved
but it's my turn.
So anyway, so it started with fire season last summer
and of course that can inflame everybody's breath.
You know, no matter who you are
it's not really healthy for you
to be breathing that in constantly
and so that made it worse
what was going on with my breath at night
enough to wake me up to see that
that was the issue
and that was something that I needed to look at.
So ever since then I've been quite busy
trying to fix this in myself
and because it seems to happen during sleep
and if you're not getting proper breath during sleep
that can affect your whole day, your whole life
and I'm of the opinion that I was probably struggling with that
for, you know, over a decade if not more
and I just didn't know it
and I was asleep.
So yes, so I kind of got lost in the weeds there
of the original question
but is that kind of where we're going?
Is that a good intro?
Totally, totally.
And by inflamed breath you mean inflamed lungs?
Yeah, so my airway, you know,
maybe some people experience this during the day
like it's a little bit scratchier
they get a sore throat because of fires
you know some kind of chemical irritant
that's causing kind of swelling
and maybe making their airway
a little bit more narrow
you know like allergies
that could happen during allergies too
so that's what I mean by that, yeah.
Nice, nice.
Yeah and it was I believe it was you
that found what's her name Ronda
something that Garrett had interviewed
on sleep and the breath
and the position of the tongue
and all of that
so is that related to this?
Yeah, yeah Ronda Hallman I saw her
and it was funny I had been watching her already
because my daughter had been struggling with this
that she was starting to mouth breathe
and it was taking a while to fix it
and that's how I got kind of into it for her
I never even suspected that I could also have an issue too
so I didn't see it but yes
she is somebody that helps with that
and she has a bunch of
she has a book
and she has some classes
and you can give a consult with her too
I haven't done that but I just followed her Instagram basically
but yeah she's into that
she's the expert
Very good, yeah I'm working my way through it
but the first thing I did
is become hyper aware of my tongue
I have to say it's mildly annoying
but I know that's how it goes as soon as you know
because mostly we're not aware
and what I realized is that
the tip of my tongue is always on my palate
or quite often resting on my palate
but the rest of the tongue falls away
and I notice how the moment I get a little stressed
or I'm exerting say physically
the tendency is to drop the tongue
and if I'm noticing that if I don't do that
I actually have added energy and strength
if I maintain
you know it turns out you can still
melt you can still mouth breathe
with your mouth closed
yep that's a good point to make
yeah yeah people are taping their mouth and stuff
like well that won't work on that
if the tongue is floppy and weak I guess
is one of the things
yeah there's certainly a right way
and a wrong way to kind of address these things
and you know it or for instance
if you're uh upper airway through nose
is is too stuffy
and then you don't want to mouth tape
that's that's not going to help you
you're not quite ready for that
so and then there's maybe people
you know on one side of this called
you know wanting to looks max
or something like that
because this can improve
people's appearance too
when they start to support these tissues
it's it's it's amazing fascinating how
all it relates and and and Dr. Mike Mu
and he has a he has an app
that I've been doing as well
and and and he warns against this too
but but it is it is also a potential
outcome is that you're also going to
look more vibrant as well as feel better
nice yeah I experimented a little bit
actually looking at myself the
difference between the floppy tongue
and and a nicely you know lightly
suctioned tongue to the the palette
and I do look different
like now now I'm out of vanity
every time I get a picture taken
I'm going to make sure my tongue
is on the roof of my mouth
that it's a good that is a good
motivation too yeah that's that's
awesome yeah the app that the Mike
Mu app even has that you can take
your your photo and you don't kind
of watch yourself as you're doing
your changes and yeah it's always
good to have some positive
positive results as you're going
through this and seeing where you've
come certainly nice well um let's see
would you like to talk about you want
to just go deep on the breath first
and come back to the brain or what
would be a better order for you
sure sure so um so yeah I'll just
continue with my story because you
I'm not an airway expert but this is
this is what happened to me and this
is how I found out this was an issue
and you know once I started getting
curious about it and then you know
started talking talking to clients
about it too and I thought maybe
maybe they have you know some sleep
disordered breathing we'll call that
we'll call it that um as a general
you know kind of thing and you
wouldn't know it you don't know you
have it if you don't know you have
it so um so anyway so the
the fire season kind of made me really
tired I was so tired and I um so I
really got motivated to figure out
what was going on I got a um I had a
watch that I that I previously used
before when I had pots to kind of
monitor my heart rate and um I noticed
they had a they had a new version so
I bought the new version that tracks
sleep um and I got that and I um I
started seeing you know what's going on
with my sleep at night and uh at first
I didn't really know what I was looking
at I was like okay I don't really see
anything and um and but then um I
didn't know what I was looking for like
it can't diagnose you with anything
but I knew something was wrong here
because the uh the percentages were
off as far as deep REM um right
that's rapid eye movement that's
dreaming and light sleep and it was
looking really choppy because it can
give you kind of like stages uh and
tell you just by you know knowing how
much you're moving and and maybe your
temperature and a few other things that
it knows kind of what sleep uh stage
or it can make a pretty good estimate
um and those were kind of off and I
kept getting bad sleep scores I was
like what what's going on here why
am I getting such bad sleep scores
I'm getting you know the the proper
amount of hours um I didn't get it and
I guess they're not allowed to you know
say too much they're just giving you the
data there um and so finally I just
thought you know what I'm just gonna put
this in these screenshots into chat
tpt and see what's going on uh so
that's what I did I and chat tpt
said oh there's a big problem here
um and so it said it told me that
although I had an average good oxygen
during REM my level of oxygen would
absolutely plummet uh so that's that
dreaming kind of stage so what happens
when you get into REM which usually
happened later in the night um you know
after a few hours or so you start
having more dreams and everything
and and that's kind of uh that's
totally normal and your body wants
to protect you from acting out those
dreams of course because it's kind of
the most metabolically active that it's
it's closer to waking than than we think
it is but it wants to keep you from
acting out those dreams of course um
so it tells your whole body to it
basically paralyzes your whole body
right and when you have the the
type of sleep apnea that I I was
having um that signal is too strong
or the kind of the counter signal to
keep that airway open because that
involves muscles and nerves and
everything too is is is too weak
okay so so that signal to keep me safe
was actually causing me to uh to to lose
a lot of oxygen and to go really low
like I'm talking you know like 75 75
percent oxygen at some point um and
yeah yeah and so it was going up and
down and I I had no idea I'm not a
snore or anything I'm not heavy like
like we think of sleep apnea and
obstructive sleep apnea because that's
you know um what this is essentially is
just a kind of subset of that uh we we
think of somebody who has uh sleep
apnea is a big snore a big guy thick
neck older middle aged kind of thing um
and so it was it was it was quite a
shock to see that I had I had an
issue there um could I jump in go
ahead sure please
yeah I I didn't think of myself of
having any sleep apnea either but when
I fall asleep on my back
I will inevitably wake myself up
because I completely block my airways as
soon as I guess it's that you know I
don't know what exactly happens but
I literally I will never in a
million years be able to fall asleep
and stay asleep on my back it has to
be on my side
so that is a form of of apnea is it
not
uh positional apnea yeah I think
that that's what that or
is it yeah something like that but
positional is in it so it's still apnea
yes yeah apnea just means lack of breath
so it's it's very generic term or even
hyponia hyponia yeah it means low breath
so so either one and they end the if
you go to get a sleep study they'll
give you an a hi apnea hypno um index
that kind of figures out what uh
kind of distinguishes the two and
they'll give you a score for that
right right yeah they have to go and
spend the night in the some the clinic
and uh be all monitored about that
um I was noticing also like that um
sometimes say like the worst I can't
remember the last time this ever
happened but
everybody's familiar with paralysis
dreams
where you know you need to run but
you're not running or it's so slow
motion you can't uh get anywhere
and so it's it's fascinating because
you're you are actually paralyzed
at a biochemical kind of level yeah
and what would be the the biochemistry
of of that paralysis what what does
your body do to shut things down
well I you know I I didn't get geek out
too much on this one right I was more
focused on the solution um and and what
to do about it um rather than the
signaling but essentially it's a it's
a part of the brain that um sends a
signal to the the the entire body of
the entire muscles and it's a very
strong signal too right this is this
is that's pretty powerful to to tell
your body your whole body to
literally paralyze um and you know this
has to do a GABA and glycine and
everything in the balance of it and
acetylcholine etc um when it comes
to me though I think what happened
is just because I had um let's see how
I can explain this okay so I have I I
would have said a while ago that I had
hypermobile syndrome so I bet some
people listening probably know what
that is it's kind of a very vague
almost fibromyalgia kind of like
um it's a broad spectrum uh disorder
that a lot of and it's especially
common in women too and it's
generally associated with uh very
flexible joints and and kind of like
low support for the joints and sometimes
people have stretchy skin and sometimes
it's genetic but the vast majority of
the time uh they you know the
doctors are baffled they have no idea
why women get this and it causes all
sorts of um com comorbidities too
um including like pots fatigue uh you
know popping joints um hard issues
and then airway issues I didn't know
that I never looked at that but
basically that that that that
connective tissue that's supposed to
support all our organs and structures
and everything it's just a little
weaker than normal um for some people
and I do think it's related to
toxicity and deficiency um and uh and
I guess I guess the the stereotypical
person that has hypermobile would
you know they could do the party
tricks so they can you know uh bend
their thumb all the way to the wrist
etc and yeah I could uh wrap my arm and
touch my other ear behind my head I could
put both legs behind my head um so that's
that's cool and everything and that
looks great and a lot of people become
like dancers or gymnasts but it becomes
a problem later when toxicity and
deficiency uh really get to a a
certain level when that starts to be
a problem and not just not just a
fun thing anymore and not just you
graceful movements and and and and and
and all that it's it it does cause a lot
of issues so where was I going with
that um all right so my nose more
mechanical yeah if I could just jump in
I can't resist and say that uh you
know that everybody envied those uh
people that were hyper bendy as if
there this was some goal that we
all needed to get to in that uh
you know yoga craze that I was very
much part of and uh and and but it's
good to hear right that this is
actually not desirable and is connected
to other problems and so you know we
again it's back to the vanity of oh I
can put my head behind my leg or the
other way around and as if that's
so impressive but good for you for
for seeing it and and can you take
one question before we get too
far forward as well or even to um so
Mary's asking or Diane is asking that
would the device itself not drain your
natural energy that contributes to
circadian rhythm what is which device
is what device are we talking about
yeah maybe you have to clarify the
device is that like the c-pop or the
testing for apnea something like that
she also suggests that the main issue
is low redox signaling do you want
to say anything about that
um I I'm not sure so so you know redox
that's that's a huge that's a huge
topic it's oxidation production we're
doing that literally every single
second of every day so um I'm not
sure but in in my case and I think a
lot of people's cases when I was
talking about this hypermobile
spectrum usually they can't find a
genetic cause for it and there are
some you know genetic things they have
weak collagen just genetically the
the the code for their uh collagen
synthesis is is wacky in some in some way
but you know 90% of the time uh they
can't find a cause they will call it
idiopathic right they doctors are
baffled they have no idea but I think
it's toxicity uh just our toxic world
it's probably it's very I believe it's
a lot more common um and then
deficiency of nutrients also I think
causes that and I and I certainly had
that um so yeah I I hope that answers
your question so yeah maybe at the
the itty bitty gritty level but um
but that's that's kind of the level I
saw it at as that just I had started
toxic and I was still you know fairly
toxic and it affected the muscles in
the the strength of this so so why didn't
my program fixed that already that
should have been something you know it
fixed and it and it did it fixed my hope
hypermobile symptoms actually I can't
do those tests they and they actually
you know that's one of the ways a
doctor if they know what they're
looking for will diagnose you with a
hypermobile syndrome is they will have
you do all sorts of party tricks
for them and um I can't do them
anymore and I stop being able to
them and I and I don't have pots
anymore that used to be um that that's
postural ortho orthostatic tachycardia
syndrome very very difficult uh condition
in people who know know how how
difficult that is and it's not just
oh you stand up and your heart is
elevated a little bit there's so much
associated with that and that went
away with the program
however this airway thing that I was
still having uh a very weak airway
at night um and I didn't know it
that that was that was still happening
that was still affecting my um my
quality of life and everything and my
energy and uh and so much more so that
was still something and I and I think
you know it's like it like dr smith
says it's like or or anything in
biology use uh use it or lose it
like the body's very uh if it's not
using something it's gonna kind of
atrophy and so that whole I had to
kind of relearn I had to I had to it
was it's like being in a car accident
and you you have to learn to walk again
um at the same time so so that's why I
would say uh our our program fixes a
lot of things but that was something
that wasn't fixed by this because I
needed to learn to walk again I
needed to learn how to support my
airway at night I needed to wake up
those nerves that were um or that
signal that was kind of weakened
um uh it me uh to know that there was a
problem in to really address this and
get you know quality sleep at night so
that my life could be better and uh
etc etc
very good thank you for sharing that
and um so
what what ways would
your body no I don't I'm not sure
if there's an answer to this but if
there are ways that
nutrition deficiencies and the
toxicities that come from food and the
air and the water and all all forms
coming at us all all the time
including emfs how how does that
affect the the breath and the bio
chemistry I mean you already talked
about the smoke in the air that those
are obvious things that obviously
hold people back and um and so is
there like a biochemical where at
the level of the of the diet that
there is some input that people can
have I like I know there's a lot of
say asthma issues in in young children
especially that have been jabbed and
um you know so there seems to be a
relationship there
yeah so if if the body's trying to
constantly clean up toxins it doesn't
have a lot of time for uh repair
and and and growth um
and I and since I was hyper mobile for a
very long time I was doing these party
tricks we talked about you know as a
kid um I developed differently for that
because because I had it I was toxic
growing up and my body got a little bit
different and I'm I have very long
limbs and very long fingers because of
that um so that it can so these
toxicities and I think I think one
of the main ones is probably a
copper I think copper was uh I had too
much of it and copper can really mess
with collagen and that can just affect
your entire physiology and it did for
me too just with the with the general
shape that I'm in and um the wingspan
they call it like if if I stretch out
my arms um yeah it's the rather
a naturally long um I I do okay though
you know some people think that's
that's that's elegant and and but again
it's it's not something that's that's
it health healthy uh to have um so that
it that yeah so these toxicities and
deficiencies my my body not doing all
the all these supportive frameworks
properly actually affected how how my
entire like my bones and my limbs and
and how I looked at everything too
so yeah it goes very deep though the
entire structure of it
mm-hmm yeah copper is an absolute
nemesis I'm grateful to have identified
it as a poison because I was consuming
a lot of it high speed and I've learned
to feel when I'm on copper you know I'm
almost referred to it as a drug now
and uh I get that jacked up wired
there's a certain happiness into it's
got a it's got like kind of fake
energy like caffeine does but
inevitably after a few days of the jacked
up and then you know and then I and then
I'll have some actual copper symptoms
is like yep that's what that was so I
don't know if you want to talk a
little bit about how copper because
it's it very badly understood people
think it's a nutrient people think it
is a good supplement they want to hold
their water in copper vessels
there's where we're infested with
copper pipes for our our water systems
for the most part so yeah anything you
want to share there I think that would
be helpful yeah sure so yeah I thought
I thought copper was great too I had no
idea and it seems so benign it's on
pennies they make pipes out of it it's
using all the the wiring and it's not
something that is you know immediately
toxic either it's something that we've
always been told needs that we
absolutely have to have it and maybe we
need a little but it it's yeah it cannot
be absolutely devastating and I resisted
think knowing that that was a toxin for
a while because of one particular guy
medical medium and you know he says a
lot of very kind of wacky things
um so that yeah and when he said like
copper is a toxin I'm just like you
know that's just another one of his
goofy theories and you know because
he for those of you who don't know
who that is he like talks to his I
think a being called spirit that helps
him do his his his healing work and
everything like that too and he's
he's particularly I think kind of famous
for insisting on the celery
celery juice for cleansing so that's
that's why I resisted it at first
it's just by who was saying it but
you know eventually when I started to
look into Dr. Smith's work and him
talking about copper and I I realized
that that was a big problem for me
because I was I was even making a
jewelry with copper I was making some
some organi for those of you who
don't know what that is it's like
um it's uh metal shavings and metal
pipes uh kind of encased in resin it
helps harmonize like energies and
some people believe in even like
helps with the uh the sea trails up
in the sky and I I I do believe that
it is beneficial but I was I was touching
bare copper all the time and I thought
oh it was no big deal it's it's it's not
a problem um and I had taken copper
supplements too I probably had it I
think I did have a copper cup I'm not
sure I use it regularly but yeah so
long story short I had a huge copper
problem um uh when I finally got my
test with Dr. Smith it was still
pretty significant I do believe that
the niacin took out quite a bit of it
and we can talk about that maybe later
um but but it was still it was still
significantly high um so yeah at long
story short copper is no good
it's it's overall it's stimulating it's
it's uh definitely um but over time it's
so stimulating that you actually never
get fully rested so you can you can
become very tired and very fatigued
over a while it definitely is a
is a firecracker is a kind of a
burnout thing um so yeah that's why it
can make people feel good at first and
that's what's kind of deceptive about
it
yeah which is often the case with nearly
every poison is uh often a stimulant
and I was an insomniac for many many
years I struggled like anything with
sleep and now after um I've been
bragging which I don't like to do
because just in case that uh you
know boomerangs on me or anything
like that but nine times out of ten I
get such a good sleep
I don't even wake up for the bathroom
anymore
like it's amazing I can go eight
straight hours and that was unheard of
most of my life
so definitely that's wonderful and
that's so protective I mean you
know we all know that sleep is
important for you and then that's a
third of your life too so I'm I'm
so happy for you that it's so
so improved now and and I think you
know waking up to go to the bathroom
that's uh for people that are having
disorder sleeping or toxic bile in
which uh leaks at night where the
bile's dumping some of it's getting
into the the blood and kind of waking
you up because also bile can be very
stimulating too
um
and that that kind of wakes them up
and but some people if you're
having a low breathing at night as
a very very last resort your body is
like okay we got to give her the
signals she has to go to the bathroom
you know like wake her up we got to get
some air over here
so people you know sometimes it can
get so bad for some people
they're waking up at night to go pee
and they have no idea that it's
actually uh more related to the breath
wow there you go yeah how it's how
it's all related
and uh yeah the the toxicity can be
so strong so now we don't need to
go super deep into this right now
because i know we'll get way off track
but the the path being
the liver wants to handle the poison
first
and you can correct me and if if the
liver doesn't handle it it goes to the
kidneys and if the kidneys can handle
it it goes to the skin
but that can mean that the bladder
ends up full of like my dad had a
bladder cancer for example and it
ends up so full of poison that it
becomes an urgency
that it's like get get this out
because it's hurting
yeah i'm glad you mentioned that too
yeah that that's also something that's
that's causing that and and you know
some people suffer from chronic
cystitis and it's just noted in the
literature cystitis means um
you know just inflammation like it's
not infection
it's just kind of inflammation we
don't know why you're peeing so often
and it doesn't feel good
well yeah that's a signal there's
the just like your you maybe eat
something that didn't agree with you
and your your your guts kind of
sense that and kind of presses the
the buttons to flush everything i
think the kidneys can have that too
and the bladder can sense uh this is
not good we don't want to keep holding
on to this for any longer otherwise
it's going to damage this
bladder tissue that we have so it'll
it'll send out the signal to uh to make
you go to the bathroom
absolutely yeah that's another component
thank you for mentioning that
yeah no worries
so uh do you want to talk about the
brain and neurotransmitters
and uh Kelsey i believe we credit
you for an absolutely breakthrough
discovery about something that's been
very demonized in the natural health
world and the conventional world so
they managed to get it on both sides
turns out it is the abundant neurotransmitter
in your body and that you are in most
people are probably literally starving
for it
so where do you want to get started
with that
oh boy okay yeah yeah i i remember
being when i first started talking
about this and i just just feeling so
hesitant to even say it it just almost
feels like felt like a cuss word at first
but uh but you know i i couldn't deny
that this was this was something that
wasn't actually uh toxic it's and not
just not just the most abundant neurotransmitter
it's the most abundant amino acid in
your body sorry second most abundant
amino acid in your body
all right and and imagine something
like that uh that that's the second
amino acid is the components of proteins
and we're all made out of protein and
water etc but you know proteins are our
structure basically and amino acids are
the little uh the little uh you know
substructures of that
but the most abundant thing being
labeled as not just a neurotransmitter
but a toxin and not just a toxin but
a neurotoxin so they're telling us
that we have neurotoxin constantly in
our body and you should avoid it in
your diet too as well
which which just makes no sense so with
that you know for those of you don't
know what i'm talking about i'll just
i'll just say the dirty word msg
monosodium glutamate so uh so if you
haven't uh seed my episode on that
where i give the full explanation of
that um and kind of try to counter
myth bust and everything uh that's on
the uh the the love your liver
livestream from nutrition detective
you want to catch the whole story
but yeah so so going back to my
copper toxicity right and dr smith or
early on i learned from dr smith that
it takes a while to get rid of copper
it's some sticky stuff you know so to
speak uh even even more so than
vitamin a which was just one of the
in the main things that we work on
and it can take years to get copper
out and to get zinc up it can be
very tough to to fix that balance and
you know when i first heard him
say it i was like oh boy i got my
work cut out for me because i i knew
how much copper i had touched and
eaten and you know and once i got my
blood test i really knew what was going
on um so when so i was looking for
something that could fix that to make
this easier i when i heard him say
that oh you know everybody comes to
wants to come with me with something
that's going to fix them and you
know usually it doesn't work out for
them and sometimes i when i heard
him say that i'd be like oh yeah
we'll see about that so and i'm so glad i
did too because i helped him you know
get into niacin and then and then i had
to bring this to him i'm like oh my
gosh i'm gonna have to tell him about
msg it's because you know it was it's
undeniable at this point um but those
are two things that can really make
copper a lot less difficult to deal
with and some people of course you
know it's it's a tool in our two
books i'm not saying everybody needs
to do this or we'll tolerate it but uh
you know for me and a lot of there are
you know initial guinea people as i
like to call them
are guinea people that we kind of you
know you whispered about hey hey uh
we've got something you want to you want
to try it um it yes that was the case
it's really helpful yeah it's really
helped with the and it's showing on
their labs and their hair tests um it's
showing in improvements in their
symptoms it's uh it's improving their
tolerance to other supplements um it's
yeah it is brain food it's brain food
it's not neurotoxic it's just basically
it can be used as energy um as well and
not just sugar and guinea people yeah
um it's it's so versatile and that's
why that's why it's second most abundant
right because it's so versatile it can
do it can do so many things and i
believe that uh you know us in the
program we were called love your
liver uh anybody who has a who's on the
spectrum of of some kind of liver
dysfunction has some glutamate
deficiency they they need some glutamate
um and and you never know it to hear
a conventional medicine or even
alternative medicine talk about it
that that could ever actually be a
problem um but but it certainly seems
to be and it was uh and supplying it
improved a lot of things for me it
didn't fix that you know this this
the sleep disordered breathing that i
had but that was more structural and i
had to you know learn to walk again so to
speak i had to learn to breathe again
properly um but it it it helped a lot
of things and and really helped you
know me finally breaking up break out
of that significant copper toxicity
and other heavy metals too apparently
so um yes so and we could talk about
that too if you wanted to hear more
about maybe how glutamate might
work in the body uh to to help with
the mineral balance absolutely i do
yeah um let's see if was i just gonna
share something with you around i can i
can hold it so yeah go ahead on the
heavy metals and then minerals
okay all right so um you know looking
at this uh copper toxicity further i
was i was getting weird and i looked
into some of my favorite sources of
research old soviet research seems to
be pretty good i love looking at the
stuff it's just like they didn't have a
profit incentive right and you know
their government just says you know
here do this you know make this happen
and they have to be really resourceful
and really simple about what works and
what doesn't and not get very strange
with big uh complex chemicals and
everything like that so anyways so i
looked into my you know the soviet
research and uh sure enough um there
was uh there was some stuff about
glutamate and it helping with uh
nanoparticles and uh copper nanoparticles
uh gold nanoparticles uh aluminum
nanoparticles etc etc they nickel and
they were using it to detox um you
know for them it was the intention of
helping welders like people who had
been exposed to these nanoparticles
just in the process of welding and
industrial stuff um so they probably
thought it was no big deal they
probably thought oh you know we're
we're just helping these this this
subset of our of our people of our the
russian people or something uh or uh
and uh but it but i i looked so so that's
where i began with that and um so to
get you to fast forward how it works
is it uh it it very strongly it
strongly binds to heavy metals okay
kind of like charcoal or zeolite if
you've heard dr smith talk about
that and it binds very weakly to
beneficial minerals okay and it's it's
not like it has a brain or it knows the
difference it has to do with like the
basically the traction the push pull of
positive and and negative and and and
the structures it can make whether
they're stable or not um and so so what
it does is it um okay so let's say you
have some copper and zinc in your
meal and you also have some glutamate
okay so the and there's you know lots of
other stuff in there all mixed up in
your tummy but basically to help you
keep your your balanced where you the
ideal uh thing to have is your zinc
literally higher than your copper it
has stout number it basically it's not
a yin yin yang thing it's like no
the the zinc has to be dominant over
the copper literally it's it's not a
male female you know but kind of
um and uh and so it helps kind of keep
that balance and i think that's why we
literally have a taste receptor for it
it's because it's supposed to do that
for us we're seeking it out to help
with our mineral balance so it binds
very strongly to heavies and uh and
not so to to beneficial minerals or
less so at least enough to uh to kind
of improve that balance and to help it
over time um and to to little by little
kind of change uh change the situation
there um so wait so it has to be okay
so so let me think i'll explain this
okay so for for a metal to be absorbed
it has to be usually in ionic form so
that means it's it's it's charged
right it goes into the the water of
your stomach the the the liquid and
dissociates from whatever it's attached
to and it's got a little you know plus
two or plus three it's got a little
charge on it okay and and then you have
these little nets uh we can think of
them in your in your along your gut
lining looking for those and um they
don't they don't pull in uh
ions that are bound to something okay
so if all right so if they're if
they're bound to something then
they're gonna they're gonna pass
right through the the the little
the little nets are looking for those
plus charges they're looking for the
positive ones so okay so how how does
that relate so when when the glutamate
is is is sticking with copper it sticks
very strongly to copper and there's
going to be more copper glutamate
than there's going to be uh free
copper little ions that could
potentially uh get filled up by zinc
like it it subs for zinc a lot of
times too that's that's a big part
of the problem um but because this
glutamate will uh bind the copper more
strongly than uh than it will zinc it
it's very low binding to zinc um it'll
it'll allow the zinc to get into the
zinc receptor uh a lot more favorably
um so for instance like if i had a
solution full of this stuff like 97
percent of it would be uh uh just
floating around as copper glutamate
and only maybe three percent would be
copper ions um and then it would
probably be the opposite uh when it
comes to zinc so when it comes to zinc
it if you had a zinc glutamate um then
like like only three three percent of it
would be zinc glutamate and the rest
would be zinc ions uh if that if that
helps make it make sense but but we
need it we we need to change that
balance essentially and i think that's
why we have a taste for it um
that's why all plants uh they make
glutamate when they're faced with heavy
metal stress um even bacteria will
will do this uh any kind of metal
stress they'll increase the amount of
glutamate that they have to basically
do this on you know on a full body
scale or a full cell cellular scale
um to help uh to kind of kind of
keep this keep this balance going so
uh that that's kind of where we're
going with that yeah so yeah so just
we'll just pause here and see is is
everybody with me on this one
i'm with you and so what would be the
body's uh first of all the location
and the process of making glutamate
where the diet might be starved you
know like void of it because we've
been taught to avoid them
good question right so so that's a
little bit um that could be
misleading when when you know
somebody tells you that there's that
it's the second most abundant amino
acid in your body and it's not even
considered what they an essential
amino acid right like you can you can
uh make glutamate from a lot of the
other ones too um so i think yes so
why do we have why do we have a
possible deficiency even though it's
there's i i saw one thing that said
you have four pounds of glutamate
in you right now right it's how can that
be a neurotoxin when you've got four
pounds of it in you um on average um
and and why why would we have a
deficiency so it so any any kind of
liver dysfunction the liver loves
glutamate it loves to use it as an
energy source and if there's liver
dysfunction it'll start to prefer it
over sugar i guess you could say it's
a little bit cleaner burning than
sugar is or cleaner burning than
fat is or or something um is so it's
an alternative energy source uh that
can be safer to burn and you and every
time you burn something for energy you
know you create a little bit of a
like you create a little like a free
radical right uh and and your body's
meant to do that that's that's how
it happens but you have to handle
that safely but it's just a little
bit safer with that so it's a it's
an energy substrate they they call
it the fancy word for those of you
who want to hear me geek out is uh
let me think of i'm saying this
right and a pleurotic so that's
you know that's kind of the
alternative fuel source you know if
you could think of it that way
of of the body is is glutamate and
burning glutamate and then the brain
too uh it's also an important fuel
source um and also there's uh
everybody's heard of of glyphosate
right so that that box that's that's
an analog for glycine which is
another amino acid and and you know
that can cause a lot of problems
right there um but there's also i
didn't know this before you're
looking into all this is there's one
called glufosate glufosinate so there's
an analog for glutamate that they're
spraying now too and they've got you
know glufosate resistant crops and
that's starting to get more popular
as you know people are trying to
avoid glyphosate or there's resistance
building in everything too um so so
that could be to potentially uh
interfering with that and subbing for
glutamate and causing dysfunction
there and um that's another
potential reason um but but but
essentially to detox you need a lot of
glutamate and to not just deal with
what your everyday normal amount of
just living on earth and breathing and
metabolizing to go back to fix the
the the stuck stuff the the uh
accumulated things you need a lot of
glutamate to do that um so so that's
that's why we have a deficiency is
because you know most of us here
aren't aren't just dealing with the
everyday chemicals that that we can't
control um we're we're dealing with a
backlog that we've got and and that's
going to take a lot of glutamate uh
to work on um and some people would
say oh well we can just take glutamate
and lots of people have asked me that
and uh there there's an issue that
with that too uh to take glutamine
to get more glutamate um and and
yeah we can talk about that too
unless there's a if you want to do
a quick sanity chug roll and uh or what
is uh yeah check your understanding
kind of pathways is that is that all
rocking with everybody uh yeah i'm
definitely with you make a note of
where you were gonna head there and i
was just curious that uh one of the
things i've enjoyed immensely is i
really don't crave sugar i forget to
crave sugar and is that in part due to
getting enough glutamates that my
body would be using that different
source yeah for energy yeah it could
very well i think it does have
definitely there's a craving um going
on for glutamine and i think that the
food industry has exploited that um
and i i talk about more more of this
on the on the livestream but um you
can also have like you can also be
craving the glutamate but also getting
something else getting something
toxic with it too and it'll create
like this kind of brain association
um with that is like oh the glutamate in
that mcdonald's food makes me feel
really good like but there's so many
other toxic things too so you may end
up getting addicted to something uh
that that's not good for you even though
there's glutamate in there um but
it's just creating this positive
reinforcement because it tastes good
and your body thinks that there's
something healthy in there and it's
looking for that uh basically to to
restore you and make you feel
better um i was just thinking about this
the other day because i got a little bit
of the stipples you know i'm still i
still get sick once in a while too and i
tell everybody it's okay no it's it's a
detox it's it's normal it's natural but
i was just thinking this uh the other
day about chicken soup okay so um chicken
soup you know you're supposed to
have it with a cold right and and
there's actually there's actually
studies on there that say it helps
with cold symptoms too and of course
you know old lifestyles and it's
traditional medicine you know or like
the you you eat a bowl of chicken soup
when you when you feel bad and it's not
just the the warmth of it um and the
hydration of it there's also something
in there that i i believe is helping
with symptoms and helping somebody uh
you know accelerate their detox cold
cycle because we think a cold is like
a detox cycle cold or flu um it's
like a more of a cute kind of thing
where you're just kind of pushing a
lot of stuff out at once um and i i think
there there's a reason that chicken soup
helps with that and it's it's those other
things too but it's also the glutamate
kind of uh powering detox too a little
bit and providing uh energy um in
addition as well to to to kind of
heal get ease the symptoms and and
the severity um and and chicken soup
has a lot of glutamate so that's
long story short or umami is as
the uh as the japanese might call it
that rich savory taste that glutamate
brings to the town yeah i was so excited
that tamari was still love your liver
friendly because that's my all-time
favorite condiment and it turns out
it's totally umami right and there was
one time because i was in the early
experiment you guys tip me off because
you know i'm so poisoned with the
copper and there was one night i went
to sprinkle it on my food and i
started to cry and i realized like oh
my goodness my body has been so starving
for this there was this like emotional
like whimper around uh receiving it so
that was that was super cool let's see
i wanted to just uh look at and the
chicken thing i can't help myself from
saying that like chicken broth became
problematic because it's also high in
copper so i just wanted to say that for
anybody that's trying to avoid copper
that i don't know um like i'll make
more of a meat stock than a than a
broth or bone broth or all the collagen
i used to think was so great but
just a little commercial for less
copper there yeah that's true yeah i'm
not endorsing like the you know the
chicken soup and the bone broth and
everything like that too but one of
one of the things that that does is
it breaks down the the proteins in
the bones and the uh and and the
connective tissue there the gelatin
and one of those is glutamate too so it
becomes very savory as it cooks right or
when you see your steak that outside you
know breaks down and it tastes you know
really good um and and and there's a
you know there's a thing that a lot
some women know about it to eat a
steak before you get your period and
it's not just your iron it's also
the glutamate i think uh could
could really ease those symptoms too
and and and can make periods a lot
more comfortable um but yes
yeah we we get glutamate when we eat
something and uh we don't want to do a
bone broth because that can accumulate
metals and whatnot but but the glutamate
can help and then we can season our
low toxin diet and and make our rather
plain diet a lot more interesting and
you know and also help it work for us
too you know who to think that
something that tastes so good and
that we crave uh could could also be
good for us because we you know at
first we tend to
crave things that are toxic for us
when we're toxic but um but this can
overall improve cravings um i think i
have heard that a lot and uh and
improve satisfaction and and people
are their their muscle uh their
overall body composition is changing
to favor more uh more muscle over fat
um so there's really something to
this there's the you know our bodies
aren't done there's a reason why we
have specific receptors for glutamate
and not only that do we have receptors
to to to look for it to you know find
pleasure in it and you you found
pleasure too that that that goes kind
of awakened in you um but not only
that is that it is literally a signal
in the stomach so when the stomach
when the when the tongue and the
stomach kind of work together to
sense that there's glutamate in your
meal it triggers the vagus nerve so
i think most people uh knows know
what that is that's kind of the
rest and digest nervous system uh kind of
side of it and as opposed to the fight
or fear flight or fun um it triggers
the vagus nerve to to to cause the body
to relax and that makes sense too if
you think about you know something
that's that's good for us if we have
protein in a meal uh we want to take
our time we need the acid to digest
that and take all those beads on a
string that are the amino acids all
lined up that make up proteins it
takes time to chop those into each
little individual beads it takes acid
it takes stomach acid it takes churning
and everything too so this glutamate is
a signal for your uh to hold it in
longer to increase acid and then it
also you know it it causes a a nice
feeling there's it literally like that
glutamate goes up to the to the to
the brain well well not literally but
it sends a signal from this it
doesn't like travel on a channel
but it sends a signal from your
stomach to your brain to rest and
digest and digest this food because
you've got protein so you got a rest
and you got to hang out by the fire
and and and you got and and and you
know you got your protein for the
day you can relax right like like if
you didn't if you didn't get enough
protein you might not feel that and
you might not feel satisfied you have
to go out on the hunt again let's say
you're a caveman or something i
don't really believe in evolutionary
biology so i don't i don't stress
this too much but but if we're if
we're thinking that the body is is
smart and is helping us survive then
that's that's a signal it would want to
give like okay you can rest now you
got your protein you made your
protein window for the day you don't
have to go and out and get another
bore so i hope that makes sense so
this is all very natural and that's
why we that's why we seek it out
and it's a very ancient and old
conserved seek out of this of the
substance is to to indicate that we
have protein we can build our building
blocks for the day we have that very
important macro and then glutamate is
how we know and it's the only way we
know
interestingly enough that there's
protein in their stomach amazing so
good yeah there is a happiness in it
and that's interesting that flavor
now that makes perfect sense why so
i'm going to go back in the chat
there's a few things one one is off
topic but i feel to address it
anyway there was a comment earlier i
believe is it the same person maybe used
to be a killie or is a killie on a
different platform saying Garrett blocked
her
i believe it's a her or him i don't know
for um his supplement pushing that he
sells zeolite now i know you were
involved in the research around zeolite
you have the most amazing zeolite
charcoal so by the way kelsia keep
me to ask you if you got any more
that i i would love some put some
aside for me or yeah yeah i i i i
do have a lot of so bad that i could
never use in a lifetime
yeah not so good it's yeah nearly an
emergency i might drive to the us for it
literally
i got so okay so do we want to
we're gonna do a little apologetics for
zeolite here so yeah yeah like not not
so much apologize but
there is crappy zeolite out there so
that they're not yeah misled and
that's that you know yeah
aluminum and uh and then you know and
so yeah if you want to talk about how
how what you guys are doing with zeolite
might be different i know it ends up
sounding like a commercial and i'm not
you know this is not a cult or anything
like that but there is a difference
and and i think the main thing to
point out is that it's not being
pushed
you guys aren't sitting there banging
the zeolite drum it's like this is
in its toolbox if you want to
include it or try it or not
right nobody chased after me to get
zoot and zeolite
yeah exactly and and as dr smith would
say is that nobody has a zeolite
deficiency or nobody has a charcoal
deficiency or you know that that kind
of thing like these are just tools in
our toolbox that can help us and you
know some people who use niacin we
don't have
literal palagra where we're you know
we're we're just like kind of you
know almost got leprosy or something
from such severe vitamin B
deficiency so it's just a tool in our
toolbox to help make this more
comfortable um and to to speed along
and to make it healthier so we're not
pushing these to our um it it's it
nobody has to do it so so if you don't
want to do it that's fine we're gonna
we're not going to make you we're not
going to kick you out of the program
um i think that the most important
thing and i try to stress this even
though we sell supplements
your most most important tool in your
healing is your low toxin diet you
do not have to your body is a
natural healer it'll clean itself up
once you remove the toxins um and and
you know even even more so than
supplementing but it can it can work
with what you've got and if it doesn't
have to deal with a bunch of toxins
today it's amazing uh what the body
can do but anyways uh yes there is
problems with zeolite with a lot of
zeolites out there and i discovered
this you know before i met uh before
i talked with dr smith i was
working for a um a media company that
wanted to do uh their own brand of zeolite
because it was getting it was getting a
little popular and it was huge but um
you know there's drops out there and
there were some you know MLMs uh
multi-level marketing that that had
some drops and uh you know word of
mouth claiming it helped their you
know son's spectrums disorders and
everything and detox and it can do
parasites and things like that um so i
was working for them and uh and i i had
the same concerns about zeolite that
that probably this person has okay so i
i had the same concerns and i and they
wanted me to to do the product and like
hey look i'll i'll do my best okay but
this stuff is uh like like it's very
problematic so i i totally understand
where um where they're coming from so
anyways i'm long story short i've
been working with zeolite for like
three to four years i have the same
concerns that people bring up all the
time and i i i i address them and go
through them why ours is different um
but uh but yeah so you're right and then
you're also wrong it is what i say when
it comes to zeolite right and um yeah
so just a word also if you want to
have a relationship with gerard it's
better not to call him out because
he's an educator and that's mostly
what he's involved in with people
uh in a very big way he has a big ship
so if you come at him with an attack
then you're much less likely to end up
in a in a dialogue where where more
knowledge could be learned and uh so
yeah he's a little trigger happy with
that just get curious get curious don't
get any yeah just get curious it's
like right on why do you say that
doctor and he's not going to block you
for that yeah no but if you're
insulting or you just tell him you're
wrong and yeah that's not going to
work out for you he doesn't have
that exactly the next question from
mary or diane that you have to tell me
what you prefer to be called uh which he
says when msg is under microscope it
doesn't look like crystals just like
oxalates for assault could it accumulate
in joints like oxalates i'm guessing
no no no okay good to know it's very
water soluble and you're mostly water
so no no way yeah okay okay very good
yeah so like something like calcium is
it also water soluble but it does
accumulate in joints or is that totally
different yeah calcium has a lot of
very insoluble um salts as we call it
so it's just the the calcium and then
whatever it's bound to most of them do
not dissolve in water
ah right like calcium carbonate for
example the tums and what they spray
the skies with yeah yeah yeah and
kristi's asking why would i gain weight
on msg i guess that would be totally
relative to the individual okay yeah
yeah that would be relative to the
individual and but if you need to gain
weight like like if you need like you're
an undertype as dr smith calls it you
have difficulty uh putting on weight
it can help it can help with that
all right and and nice and can too as
well if you need to gain weight it
will help you gain it if you need to
lose weight it can help you lose it
too it it's it's it's one of those
balancers um in a lot of ways and we've
had you know i i think uh several
several under types like people really
having difficulty like having to consume
a lot of calories uh just just to stay
the same weight real skinny you know
like like i'm talking about like a
male who's you know 130 140 smallish
um they're really having trouble and
they're finally with the glutamate
they found something where they
don't need to consume such massive
quantities of food um to to to maintain
their weight and they're even starting
to get a little bit of lean you know
they're getting them they're getting
and keeping their lean muscle mass with
msg um but but yeah that's that that's
a big question i there's there's a lot
involved but i i'm yeah i'm giving you
some examples of how i can uh restore
the balance yeah and just to give
testament to that because i became an
under i wasn't always by any means
and uh i noticed that every single time
i would get sick i was losing weight and
is like what the heck in a disappearing
act around here and i was eating three
and four meals a day to get enough
calories just not to be hungry but then
with the msg now i'm down to two meals
and a snack and i'm completely
satisfied and that my body is stable
i'm not losing i'm not gaining i i
feel more solid than i've ever felt
as well partly due to a little bit
more strong working out but i think
that's that's related like muscle
building obviously an amino acid like
you said they're they're they're
builders right it's it's literally
building your body
yeah yeah it's it's it's it's one of the
smallest and so it's like i said
earlier it's it's one of the most
versatile so that so bodybuilders
would talk about something called
branch chain amino acids and oh you
got to get your bcaah man you
know and they have the whole dude
section at the uh at the health food
store of these like awful powders
but they they're looking for that but
basically uh if they just took some msg
that that's glutamate they can turn into
all of them so then you can
you're giving their body the raw
material for those and for those muscle
building proteins and uh letting it
decide how much of each one to make
right so so if so there's not like
you know too much of this one or not
enough of that one there's that you
give them the raw material and and
your body can decide uh how to do
that and i i i had that experience too
is that um you know i was still dealing
with this airway issue at the time but
uh but i was i was i was starting to walk
i was trying to walk every day at least
and it was helping me lower the fat and
gain muscle just from that uh that
that was improving my body composition
um you know by by some percentage
points too just by adding glutamate
to my to my diet amazing really good
hello paul but you could make it if
you're still around and uh this is
interesting ag is asking or just saying
that it tastes better than an acl for
those who don't know that's just a
regular salt and i'm imagining and maybe
you can confirm this that your taste
really does tell quite a bit i was
hearing this on office hours again
today that you know because right now
i consume a great deal of potassium
chloride because of the high copper
levels and it tastes so good to me
like i can literally i don't even need it
with salt i can i can put it in food and
gobb it on and my body just goes yum
yum yum same same with amsg and uh
yeah can you trust your taste buds
that way to teach you yes but but be like
a child is is one of the things that
jesus said but uh yes you but but you
have to think more like a kid right
like like they they knew that like
broccoli wasn't good for us we we knew
but we got you know we got kind of
trained out of that we got kind of trained
to to uh crave some poisons like
chocolate and things like that too is
given with a spoonful of sugar but um
in this case yes we can trust our our
taste buds as long as we know that
we're not consuming a bunch of toxins
with the glutamate too and creating a
kind of a brain association uh with
that to to to crave something like that
um yeah and good good uh just oh yes
go ahead sorry sorry no no i was i so i'm
just i'm just basically supporting what
you're saying is that is that uh that's
what we're that's what we're looking for
and if you need you know potassium it
tastes good to you like the 50 50 salt
i some people claimed it tastes
metallic i thought it tasted fine and
i got my children all used to it too
they they never complained or thought
my salt was weird in any way but but yeah
in this case yes so if it's good for you
it tends to taste a little bit better
yeah take some time to sort out the
difference between what i'll call like
real life force energy where you feel
alive compared to being jacked up right
which is what you get high on with
the caffeine or the chocolate or the
copper foods they are very different
you know i used to down these massive
you know leader or two of green juice at
a time and then i would get high
because i'd been poisoned i would have
this altered state from it and i think
oh i'm getting really healthy now like
this and it's taken me a lot of years i
also teach people the difference between
this because the highs of life are not
what we're looking for they more often
than not those highs end up a you
know a net not a net zero but like a
negative to the body and so if you can
learn the difference between real life
energy and fake energy then boy you've
come a long way so this to me applies
across the board
yeah yeah definitely but not easy to do
because that's you know it's very
deceiving so sometimes we don't even
know the difference or we're only able
to you know because of the states of
our that we put ourselves in or we put
ourselves in the kind of a burnout
situation where we never got that full
rest you know i think one of the best
examples i heard about i've heard about
our nervous system and our parasympathetic
and sympathetic i i think most people
have heard of those there's you know
there's two sides rest and digest and
fight flight or fun um is that it's
kind of like a ladder okay so so think
of like super high energy as like
like the top rung of the ladder
and and super relaxed super chill
you're with all your buddies everything
is fine times are good that's that's like
the low rung okay it's it's not like
that's a bad thing but um but but what
if you're all if you're always on that
top rung of the ladder eventually you're
going to start to get unstable there
and if you can never really fully get
to the bottom them the most rested
deeply satisfied like it's going to be
very hard to ever to truly rise
again you have to like go all the way
down if you're you know going to get
back up or you're going to get to a
comfortable spot on the ladder too and
i think that's that's part of what
copper does or these other stimulants
too is they never let your body fully
get to true rest and that's where
repair comes sometimes it's called
rest and repair uh the parasympathetic
system um that's where repair happens
too and like i said earlier anybody
with some toxicity which is just
you know standard issue here on
earth uh needs to go into repair boat
and not just everyday maintenance
exactly that's what i notice now is that
when i sleep i heal it used to be the
other way around like i could not rely
on sleep to heal i had to do that in
my waking hours which is you know
you're busy with a lot of stuff in
waking hours so yeah that's that's
really good and then yeah what goes
up if if you're addicted to high
energy and getting high then it has
to come down there's this is like a
law of something i'm sure people are
going to argue with me about it
being a law but uh this was interesting
Lipton chicken noodle soup has msg
totally addicted to that as a child i
bet it's because of the glutamates
and uh oh i remember that stuff my mom
yeah my mom had it yeah it was pretty
good stuff yeah and then um
she's also saying that if it doesn't
taste good meaning msg in particular
does that mean that they're not
deficient
um well i i'm not sure how you're using
it like you could be using it um like
like like too much doesn't taste good
it's a little cloying if you have too
much so it's it's hard to say do you
want to do and tell me a little bit
more about what what you've been
doing with it maybe i can help and then
ag said that his oldest think said it's
a great taste and it doesn't just go
fruit like you don't want to put on
sweet things that no it doesn't go
exactly it's savory and it's best with
meat yeah yeah and you can eat it with
protein too and like and that can
include plant proteins like rice and
beans yeah okay okay got it and it's a
protein extender correct that uh it
helps make your body make more use
of the protein you do get
yes yes it helps increase all of the
protein's bioavailability absolutely
and then and then it's so versatile
itself so it can really um help with
the very the very structures big and
small of our of our body right right
very good and um that's so let's see
where was i going to go i want to go
back to intelligence how we started
our conversation today and this was
one of the massive shifts that i
noticed i over i was probably on msg
for maybe four or six weeks before you
guys rolled it out
more publicly and one of the biggest
benefits that i noticed was greater
mental acuity my ability to hold
information in mind and i am a royal
multitasker you don't want to look at
my tabs it's very out of control
and i was noticing much greater ease
at navigating between multiple platforms
and elements and conversations and
details like my projects end up using
so many different apps and and a variety
of things like that and it became much
easier can you explain why that would
be
well you're you're you're basically giving
it uh an alternative fuel and a
little bit more of a fuel and you're
increasing your um the liver loves it
you know it's going to go to your
liver first as the first past it's
not really getting into your blood
stream that's you know that's part of
why how they kind of scare people as it
goes straight into the list you know
your your liver gobbles the stuff up
and your liver has to do with making
energy for you
and you know basically to have a lot of
tabs open essentially like rather on
your computer in your mind
uh that takes a lot of energy that
takes a lot of processing speed and
and power to do that so that that
absolutely makes sense with uh with
what you've experienced and um you
know i i i have uh you know i'll
i have ADHD and i probably have since
i was a child so um it it it it helped
with some of the symptoms of my ADDHD
and i think ADHD is almost um a little
bit of the a lack of good distribution
of of energy um in the brain we'll
put it that way um but but yeah i think
it's uh so much has to do with like
energy in the brain and depression
is like low energy in the brain and
even seizures disorder that could be
like low energy people think like
you're getting zapped like you have
way too much no it's actually
it's actually the opposite
oh yeah and i found a study that's
saying like glutamate help with seizure
disorders in two weeks is cut seizure
seizures in half for people who had
drug resistant seizures so you know
take that neurotoxin crowd that's
amazing i know somebody who suffers
regular grandma seizures if they
don't use cannabis every single day
and we know that it's a band aid that
some people you know you can't you
can't fault them but if they understood
the relationship between the glutamates
and seizures that could be a game
changer yeah yeah yeah remind me i'll
i'll send you this today so you can
pass that along but it was it's
fascinating like if you have that
uh and the body has to adapt very
quickly yeah it has it can burn fats
ketones um sugar your glucose is
what's all over the body
um but but yeah and glutamates one of
them and it's an all sort of fuel and
it's and it's quicker burning and
people that are you know getting on the
toxic side their brain starts to
prefer glutamate over sugar sometimes
too just because that more clean or
burning it doesn't want to add to
the brain's uh a burden essentially so
it can even become the preferred
food sometimes and why is sugar not
a clean burn what's what's happening
there um there's a lot of steps and you
know anytime you're doing this like a
step of the cycle there there's things
that can go wrong of course and it takes
more oxygen to burn it fully like
there's that initial what's called
glycolysis which gives us a certain
amount of a small amount of ATP and
then it has to go through a lot more
steps to get all the way through and
there's something called the the
Krebs cycle or the citric acid
cycle uh that that glutamate can can
feed into and it's it's uh it's it's just
all sort of it's a little simpler and
it's a little there's there's less
potential byproducts or things that can
go wrong with that one to put it
more simply and then also you know
glutamate being versatile too is that
it can also kind of if there's
copper or something it can weekly
chelate it like it um in the brain
if we're just talking about the brain
or something if something goes wrong
with uh uh creating energy with this
you know redox as as the person was
saying that that's that's what basically
this is um it's it's it's a bunch of
different uh chains of that um but if
something goes wrong the the the
glutamate could not only act as a
fuel source it can act as like a
protector especially if there's like
a you know a copper uh or a heavy
metal or something like that it can
kind of create a shell around it
um and i think that's one of the
reasons why glutamate got uh uh
got maligned or are people like like
thought it might be um i equate it to
like uh there's a fire and the firemen
show up and then the the policemen see
the firemen and arrest the the fire
fighters for starting the fire but it
wasn't them right so they're just
there it's your body trying to
protect you when it puts more
glutamate in the system it's either
trying to give you an alternative
fuel because you need a different fuel
or it's trying to kind of protect
against uh toxicities and and almost
literally like in case uh heavy
metals uh for example in kind of a
shell uh so that they can get moving
again very nice and yeah in addition
to the mental acuity i had a much
better memory like i'm not good at
trivial pursuits and and you don't
ask me to do a crossword i'm gonna
fail miserably but for some reason
i was able to pull out stuff that
honestly i wouldn't have heard for
since i was 12 or something i was just
these little details i was able to pull
out in the middle of conversations
that i'm going like wow where did where
did that stuff come from not that it's
so important to remember the trivia
just just that my brain access is
information better from what i'm
hearing because it's it's got a
better energy source
would make sense yeah absolutely
okay yeah so people's like fatigue
and their brain fog and uh never mind
the range you you mentioned depression
the range of mental disorders that we
go through that uh you know that's very
very prevalent i think it's so so
common that people are like oh i'm
tired and my brain hurts and all that
kind of thing so i just feel like
there's so much hope in this arena
yeah yeah yeah there's there's so much
hope and and you know your body
wants to heal and it's very smart
adaptable and it knows what's what it's
doing and that could be used by uh you
know scientists or the people directing
the scientists maybe the scientists
don't know but that that could be used
to kind of uh to kind of trick you
into thinking that maybe glutamate is
bad and it's it's very interesting
that you know here in the states
and probably canada too is that it's
got a real bad reputation but over
in Asian countries they use it all
the time they have you know salt
shakers literally right there on the
table and it they didn't get the same
kind of uh i guess uh what do you call
it propaganda that they gotta get it
against msg yeah and most people have
only ever seen it as accent in the
grocery store and there's like what's
that accent and and for years that was
the only msg company uh in the united
states versus like Asian countries where
it's like they love it they use it
all the time and and yeah so it's it's
it's it's very interesting that kind of
the or to hear the origin of how that
got uh implicated as the culprit and
again i talk about it more in the
livestream but anyways where where was
that going with that i i kind of lost
myself yeah no it's all good that um
do i'm curious if you think that like
has there been a trend or are you
literally the the trend creator
knowing that the east they still have
it on the table but here it's become it
doesn't matter who you talk to they
they know for a fact msg is bad and
wrong and are there any other
progress people that are waking up to
it
um let's see i i not that i can think
of offhand but it used to be like
like this you know in in in older
european cultures like we used to
glutamate um you know and it was i i
found somebody sent me a video one time
of they used to create this like
stock basically and it was this hard
brown um you know full of glutamate kind
of really condensed meat stock not
just powder but in and travelers and
merchants and everything they would
they would take this stuff and and it
would help keep them satisfied on the
road and they just add a little bit
of water or sailors or something like
that and this kept people alive um
so so this was a very valuable kind of
food and very uh you know a very shelf
stable food and and then you know going
on to other you know across the globe
to i'm sorry going back to the asian
countries is like they helped prevent
famine with msg uh so so you know when
common you know when there's a
takeover of a regime or something like
food supply can struggle uh but
like for example china was able to
keep people alive uh by supplying the
glutamate because it's shelf stable and it
can provide them with all these uh
amino acids basically and uh that that
when they can't get fresh food or
something like that it can be a source
of uh additional protein for them
wow that's amazing and let's see before
we move on um christie was saying that
msg is made mostly from corn does what
what do you know about the different
sources of msg yeah
yeah and then she's like yeah and it's not
a problem with all the gm-o'd corn out
there the non-organic corn
um i i don't think so i don't think in
this case like we're not eating uh you
know a pound of corn to to get it so
we're just having like like a little
bit of sprinkle as a portion of salt
like like little bits so and it's
it's very processed in ahi no moto is
the original company over a hundred
years old that has been doing this for a
very long time and i they i don't know
what kind of corn they're made out of
but if it does if it is i'm i'm not too
worried about it so they'll ferment it
with uh with that with with the
bacteria and this will make a little
corny bacterium glutanium come and
you know it that corn can't be that
poison or that bacteria wouldn't survive
right and would make a lot of
glutamate so that is one
consideration but then they they
ulter purify it after that so you know i
i think it's pretty negligible um there
are some that are that uh
brains available of sorry so they make
ahi no moto everywhere like they have
you know satellite plants everywhere in
brazil and i think peru and you know
various places but uh and i think in
brazil they they they do it with
sugarcane um so that might be uh i
i don't know but i i really don't think it
makes a difference um and you don't you
don't have to use it we're not forcing
you to use a a potential gmo uh if you
don't want to right exactly that that's
that's the beauty here there's no
yeah it's no recommendation run after
you you have to take this i took it
and it's good and everyone should take
it it's it's just not that's not the
culture that we're dealing with here
at all um yeah oh i just thought of
an example like for people so uh
most of people on the program know that
unrefined sea salt is bad for you right
like it has you know micro plastics and
heavy metals and toxins and everything
like that too um i i would put uh
but we use jacob says which is very
clean and it has been washed 11 times
and we're using it in small quantities
anyways um so it it's kind of like
with the msg like it's been cleaned
up okay so so maybe yeah it was it
wasn't the best corn for you but
it's been ultra ultra purifying now it's
nice and clean um so i hope that makes
sense right right this is actually if i
could talk about it quickly that people
argue against the approach because
they're saying oh well you know you're
you're looking at a glutamate and if you
look at it in the body which is
impossible by the way because you don't
want to open a live body and do that
kind of gory vivisection stuff uh
but their claim is that the molecule
in the body is going to be different
than the molecule outside of the body
and do you want to just speak to that a
little bit
i i think i need a little bit more
information about what we're talking
about here need to be a little more
specific yeah yeah yeah maybe it's not a
fair question so it's it's it's just
basically it's one of those natural
health i'll call it myths that you
know you cannot study anything under
a microscope and in a lab and have that
be relevant to a living body so that's
that's that's the basics i need more
details to yeah well i i think that's
that's a bit too broad of a term out
for example like like cell studies are
terrible so if you you know try to
assume anything from a dish of cells
and and you know scale it up to a
person that often is not going to
work out um you know and i know
some people they can go in the
opposite direction where they literally
say there's there's no molecules
there's no we're all just water there's
no cell structure
there's no period did i say periodic
table yeah i've even heard that
um yeah and we're just made of belly
water and we're all just vibes but i
think that gets a little bit too far
into it and then some people think
that there's no such thing as
vitamins so yeah that that's that's
been interesting to to hear people
say that and uh based on uh you know my
education i i wouldn't say that's that's
the case
exactly yeah one of the biggest tells
i should get did a good video refuting
the magnesium attack that recently
happened and uh and so it's it can be
a matter of convenience they'll say oh
this doesn't exist until they want to
make some term that use some term
that is actually foundationally
impossible to use as a concept
without basic biochemistry right so
there's there's this convenient oh
none of that exists until they want to
say word like water or you know something
that really does depend on on that
knowledge anyway i'm not doing it
justice myself i just i just was uh
looking for ways to refute it um this
is interesting and i think you know
it's like too simplified like if if
somebody says well viruses don't exist
and some people can get you know really
like uh we'll call them a terrain not
cease to get any time you mention like
a potentially infectious disease they'll
be like oh viruses don't exist viruses
don't exist it's almost it's almost
insane but something exists there's
something that is happening there that
looks like little you know little
tiny pieces of whatever coming out and
we could talk about you know forever
what that is and if it's transmissible
etc but it's just yeah it's over
simplified and sometimes it's intellectual
laziness or they just hear you know one
of these doctors like Tom Cowan or you
know the terrain movement kind of
leaders talk about it and and they get
real zealous about that and um and
they just let them do their thinking
for them and they they get a little
rigid with that and they get then
then sometimes they take it too far
yeah yeah exactly terrain not cease
it's not a bad way to say it
I want to go back just and let
quietly content bear know that I
haven't heard from JJ yet if anybody's
on my telegram and you're on my
channel the king hero channel don't
message me there because you can message
me and I can reply once but they won't
let me keep replying so there's no
conversation available there
and uh JJ if you're hearing this or
quietly content bear if you want to
pass the message on to uh it because
they think they've already private
message me but it's in a different
place in their private messages or
or um email just pass my email on or
something like that it seemed
interesting to me so I definitely want
to connect and let's see
not I want to answer this question
about pesticides or is that the next
one
uh sure go ahead
okay all right so um
yes you avoid pesticides as much
as possible and try to get organic and
everything too but you gotta you gotta
remember and that's that's one of the
things that blew my mind from dr
Smith is thinking about this more and
it seems obvious uh but it takes some
like counterintelligence too is that
there's a lot of pesticide in in
in fruits and vegetables like they
don't want to be eaten any kind of
plant
can have some sort of pesticide too
um so so that's and they can't move
like an animal can they have to do
chemical warfare is is something that
he he brings up a lot too um you know
thymol anything that's it's smelly
polyphenols bright colors as kind of a
warning aposemitism like you know
bright things are are bad and toxic
but they kind of got us turned around
with that
but I essentially would say that it
probably has less pesticides than
than a carrot than an organic carrot
msg does
okay from from what it's going because
it's mostly protein
it's 99.5 99.95 percent pure according
to ahi nomodos uh uh data it's it's
very pure and it's not like we're
eating uh pounds and pounds of it
anyways even if it weren't so so
darn pure
exactly that's what I was going to
say is that you can't compare the
volume I I have a pinch or maybe
two pinches of msg a day compared to
you know you might have seven
carrots or I don't know who eats seven
carrots but I never did myself
and Stephanie also added got great
results with endurance exercise
endurance and muscle growth after
being stagnant for a long time using
msg so yeah fantastic really good
and uh yeah thanks for that the the
I'm trying to be so discreet quietly
content bearer but you already you
already know what's going on so
that's good that's behind the
scenes I'm not trying to confuse
anyone and um yeah let's see I think
that's all the the questions in the
chat right now do you want to spend I
don't know if you have the time can
we talk niacin and how that is brain
food as well
sir just briefly um so so it's not
really like food like it's like
energy like we can burn it but it is
it does we need it's transfer
ability I'll just put it that way we
we need a particular uh thing that it
does and that's nad plus so a lot of
people have heard of that and that's
that's crucial to have nad plus and it
provides the uh the the best safest
substrate for it you know we can't
just take nad plus uh in everything
there's a lot of different niacin
phonies out there but literally the
cheapest one that makes you itch
and red is is literally the best one
and it can power over uh 400 and 500
different detoxification enzymes so we
there's a lot of toxins out there there's
a lot of different chemicals there's a
lot of different ways that carbon
oxygen nitrogen etc can be arranged to
make different shapes um so there we
got to be able to detox a lot of
things and and just in the process
of living we make our own uh
endogenous or we make our own inside
compounds just from uh living here on
planet earth um and and we need nad plus
for that and and literally you know
some people have posited that uh
basically what aging boils down to is
the uh and nad plus ratio going down
so you have you have more nad h
than you have nad plus that's
that's essentially when it breaks
breaks down everything else that's
that's the biggest factor um in
determining like your chronology and
getting old and starting to be less
about repair and starting to be uh
see mistakes happen more and more and
and you know earring goals and aging
and and and our you know our bum leg
starts to happen too uh that's
that's the the crucial deciding factor
that that makes that happen um so so
in a way in a way it's it's it's
food but um it's also it's it's
also what helps us uh fight against
entropy and the forces of destruction
okay very good yeah so not not
technically a nutrient then is that
fair to say um yeah not not technically
it's a i i call it is a little bit like
an amino acid though too and this is
was my early kind of you know pitch
to dr smith is i showed him all these
like amino acids and i kind of told him
you know because because he doesn't like
B vitamins yeah as an antidote you might
need it sometimes but overall we don't
like them um but i i was trying to tell
him how nice and is less like uh
uh like uh like like like the other B
vitamins that it was lumped into um and
more like an amino acid in its
structure and a little bit too because
you actually make uh nicotinic acid
from trip to fan you can make it
yourself of course that you know in any
kind of liver dysfunction that gets uh
or protein if you don't have enough
protein you won't have enough trippin
fan and you won't have enough uh to make
your niacin either um but but it does come
from an amino acid too so in a ways
it's kind of uh a little bit of a
macro and the the quantity that you
need is way way more like the
quantities and in milligrams even for
the governments by the government
standards you know 16 milligrams i
think is the recommended daily uh
allowance versus like the the other B
vitamins that they fortify stuff with
those are in the micrograms so those
are like a thousand uh orders of
magnitude difference um between them uh
for example mm-hmm very good and uh
do you do you are you okay for another
question yeah sure yeah okay so i'm
curious about brain toxicity so there
might be a misunderstanding that the
brain doesn't get toxic we have a
blood-brain barrier you know when it's
intact but because of the leaky gut the
way that bile eats through the could be
biliary tubes or the small intestine or
the large intestine probably a variety
more and it literally ends up in the
blood therefore it ends up in the
brain is that accurate
yeah so there we have a blood-brain
barrier we have a gut barrier we have
a liver barrier we have a bile
barrier we have a you know babies have a
placental barrier these are these are
tissues that are literally designed to
to to stop the outside environment from
you know coming in in an uncontrolled way
into the body we have many many layers
of protection and that's why you know
some of these toxins that would kill a
bug very quickly are you know are
fine for us and we could say oh they're
perfectly fine and garlic's fine and
because we have this blood-brain
barrier and that's why they say like for
example like grime vermicelli which is
terrible for you you know i i ask people
how can this be a miracle medicine or
also like literally a
roach bait you know and they say well
we have a blood-brain barrier it's like
well you do for a while until it
accumulates so so yeah these so bile
can disrupt that the certain foods and
compounds and toxins can disrupt
those barriers you know i was i was just
thinking about this the other day but you
know my my mom was a dentist
all for her adult life and she she
worked up until the day she gave birth to
me with with me inside of her too and i
got jaundice from all that so so my
placental barrier wasn't wasn't enough
in that case but but yeah those those
are all intended to protect you but
there's so many toxins that can start
to erode that and that can make anything
that you're having more toxic and that
can be like the trojan horse that lets
other things through that wasn't the
original thing that poisoned you as
well so having having leaky barriers
is bad and if you've got a leaky gut
that's eventually going to translate
to leaky brain too
they're all similar tissues they're
all similar in origin when it comes
to when you were just a tiny little
a tiny little belly bean like you were
just a little clump of cells and in
various tissues had to kind of decide
which way they wanted to go
and they are they are related tissue
those those tubes it first started out
as one little tube inside inside your
clump of cells right there you go
and just with basic headaches right
that's a kind of nemesis for people
that get headaches it is it is it
safe to say that is toxicity in the
brain
yeah i think again that it's it's a
water balance thing it's electrolyte
thing it's a lack of energy thing
um and so yeah essentially that can be
caused by toxicity
ultimately absolutely um and then i'll
give an example of brain clearing out
because you know niacin helped my son
so much with his uh he had i i guess
you could call if you had to put a
label on it pediatric autoimmune
neuropsychiatric syndrome or or pandas
or pans uh maybe some of you heard of
that uh but basically that's another
thing oh we don't know the the the
immune system just attacks the brain
right like really okay so you know it
sounds laughable to think about it
now uh you know our immune system's
being so so inept um but that that
pretty much cured of him of that you
know he's he's he's still on on the
spectrum but he used to get scared
of everything it's so much anxiety
he was so inflamed um but his and if he
had gluten like he would he would get
like behavior issues from gluten because
it was just basically leaking from his
gut to to his brain and kind of kind of
reacting there um and with niacin when
i when i did some decent you know
after a while he got he just got so
much better so that's why although
it can be difficult for people to do
niacin it could be uh you can push
things too hard with it it can it
overall clear out the brain it
definitely gets in there uh to to clean
things out powers all the enzymes in
the brain and you know we i have tons
of studies for that um but and you know
it some people even report getting
like a little bit of a drip like a
post nasal drip from niacin too and i
think i think i'm right about this
but if that's literally like your
your the the fluid that holds your
brain that's it could he kind of
detoxified and and and you know
leaking out going back into your stomach
because you do recycle that but uh
but that's that's your brain getting
cleaned out so i think that's pretty cool
thing that can niacin can do
yeah after the last detox that i had
that was the you know the snotfest and
everything i was just so clear that
my brain was was spewing like letting
go of crap it's surely intuitive
but it's it's it's right there right
like it's it's the it's the fastest
pathway out of the body
yes yeah yeah very good um
i wanted to point out that uh kelsey did
a great episode with me specifically
on ivermectin since you had mentioned
it and that helped so many people
kelsey
oh good i'm glad to hear that
not the ones that were religiously
staunchly into it they they turned
away you know that they're in the
cult of of ivermectin or truth or
drugs or all that kind of stuff but the
people who were open or on the fence or
they just heard it was great and they
were doing it because they heard it was
great
and uh they're being able to access
real information here through you it was
extremely well received so you helped a
lot of people with that
good because you know when i was
doing that early on before i you know
was started talking to dr smith is
that yeah people can be very resistant
it was pretty amazing you know just like
it might be hard to convince people out
that uh eating all the eating the rainbow
is good um it yeah the the ivermectin
programming got got really really tough
and and it was it was getting
frustrated for me too because there was
just so much even when i would bring
up the most you know powerful points
i had about bill gates being involved
and it being literal
roach poison uh it was it was certainly
hard to do that so i like hearing that
thank you yeah you're welcome
and there's just one question i didn't
ask from the chat if toxins
didn't cross the blood brain barrier
babies wouldn't get autism she's
asking
um so if toxins didn't cross the blood
movement so so there's a placental
barrier too um so keep in mind so i
was trying to give that example of
like how you know my it wasn't common
to be a woman dentist at the time and
just stayed a baby the whole time i think
my mom was like one of four uh women
hurt in her dental school but but
nowadays 60 percent of babies are
jaundice i heard that from dr smith
but you know back in my day i was
jaundice before a school because of
that so so she had extra toxicity
that overcame my placental barrier
and then you know and and you know
maybe that's why i'm a little adhc too
um in addition but uh but and i guess you
know that's that's one of the neuro
divergence um spectrums but they they
have shown that babies that are
jaundice are like uh 30 more likely to
get autism or adhd or some kind of
other you know diagnosed with some
uh kind of neuropsychiatric syndrome
so uh there is something that that
happens there uh where toxins get
into the brain and you know it's most
obvious with jaundice where it's very
obvious on the skin and everything
that that bile has gotten uh gotten out
of control and kind of opened up the
brain and made it more receptive to
everything else including the bile
itself which is gonna be toxic as well
and yeah yeah i can cause uh or or be
it can it can exacerbate or it can
cause or it can be one potential
um component of of developing that
yeah i do think so
very good and is there anything else
that you'd like to share with us on
either the the brain or the breath or
niacin or msg or anything else um yeah
you know we didn't get to to uh get
into too much of the breath but i just
i just want to see a sense discovering
that i was saying i was struggling
with fatigue sense discovering that i
was having that issue at night
especially during my uh rem sleep i
have i have fixed my fatigue so yay or
pretty much like it's taking some uh a
little bit of um you know get what gets
worse before i get better that happened
too so but but overall you know i think
i found found the missing piece and
i'm seeing it a lot of my clients too
so i think it's very important if you
are been on our program or uh or
just so you know if you do get on a
program and you you're having
difficulty with fatigue um you know
that could potentially be one thing
that you want to look at to see if
there's a problem because 90 of people
who have sleep apnea don't know they have
it and it's especially under diagnosed
in women uh if you've got hypermobile
disorder i talked about that earlier
uh that that could potentially be a
a literal mechanical issue uh it's
something that always doesn't always
get picked up on a sleep test so
even if you go to the trouble of
going to the doctor's office and i
actually walked out of one i might
have discovered this earlier i don't
know i may or may not have but i i couldn't
even sleep there i would just like
forget i was uncomfortable and in pain
for three hours i'm like this is not
happening um but uh you know it could
potentially be something you want to
look at and even if you don't think
you have it just you might want to
take a look like like why not be
be rather safe and sorry if you're
going to get a fitness watch anyways
you know get one that's low emf and
just just check it out and and try to
see if you're optimizing like it's
a third of your life so so let's make
sure it's uh it's happening safely
and comfortably for us yeah exactly and
is the CPAP bad for people by the way
that machine um no i don't think they
are no it's not like and if somebody
yeah and thank you for this question
too if somebody had had with their
doctor with a sleep test or you know
through self diagnosis saw a really
big problem um with with lo losing
oxygen and there's this you know the
medical term ischemia reperfusion so
that means like you're basically cut
off from oxygen and then suddenly it
rises back up when you start breathing
again and that and that is more
damaging to the brain than just
maintaining like a low oxygen that
that that that pushback where it
comes back is is definitely noted to
cause more damage so if if you're
having that and it's and it's kind of
critical it's gotten to a bad point
then then i'm totally okay if somebody
needs to do a CPAP like that
that that's all right that's not bad
that's not going to fix the problem
that's not going to fix the root cause
of of what's going on why is the
airway collapsing we weren't meant to
live like that for our airways to
collapse at night like that's
that's a disorder um and and you
can you can give oxygen to
somebody but are you going to get
them to breathe again and normally
and functionally and the way and to
breathe in their sleep the way they
were meant to uh no but but i think
that can be a bit of a crutch that
people can do if they're having
trouble fixing the root cause which
can take longer okay okay and is the
damage from the breath coming fast
is that just too fast oxidation
um yeah basically so the body
senses low oxygen it's tried it
you're not you know it's not getting
the oxygen it needs so it starts to
prepare and your body's very you know
it's it's doing a million things a
minute but it starts to prepare for
low oxygen conditions and then
suddenly you find your breath and it
comes back in and then it's just like
you know it's it's not good it can
cause uh it can cause issues and
that back and forth is what can can
be harmful and very very stressful on
the body the mind and just uh
and just well well we'll stop healing
from happening basically you're supposed
to heal at night and if you're
constantly recovering from this back
and forth uh it it's very difficult to
get any of that okay okay yeah i'd have
family member that would wake up
screaming they could have definitely
used to diagnosis on a machine yeah
darn it yeah um can you also talk
about co2 until or co2 tolerance i
should say if i heard it correctly
that ronda um how do you say moment
or how was her last name said i don't
hold on yeah ronda holman holman and
she said that holding the breath out
is good because it increases your co2
tolerance do you know anything about
that i got her book but i can't find
a detail about it yeah so basically
what what she's saying is that like the
the body gets a little bit jumpy
or it can you know and there's
there's different forms of sleep
disorder breathing but that's that's one
thing that could happen is that uh is
that the body gets gets gets scared when
co2 starts to rise and will try to breathe
too quickly and too weekly instead of
deep full breath um you know and it's
more of a panic emergency breath
rather than the nice slow relaxed you
know full in and out kind of thing uh
so so i i think that's what she she's
she's meaning by that and and literally
we don't we don't breathe because we
lack oxygen our our body actually we
we only get the urge to breathe because
of the buildup of carbon dioxide um so
i think that's an interesting uh
distinction is we can't sense the low
oxygen we sense the buildup of carbon
dioxide uh instead and if if we're
too jumpy with that we're going to
take weak short breaths very good
thank you for clearing that up
my friends have that question for a
while now yeah uh somebody else is
saying zeolite is full of aluminum
or should we go back there at all or
lumens aluminum aluminum silicate
do you want to give it yeah yeah i i
don't really yeah yeah you don't have
to take it how about that i i i've
yeah yeah just don't if you're
scared of it right yeah if you're
scared of it don't don't use it
you know or or research yeah exactly
ag said as long as it's not nano-sized
particles the micro-sized rocks won't
leave the digestive tract in the blood
stream yeah nanosuck
exactly yeah yeah don't don't but
especially don't get anyone that claim
to go in the blood
that's not what it's used for that's
not the what they feed to animals
that's not you you can you can do a
lot of detox just by staying in the
gut and people don't realize that
because because of toxic bio theory
and we can understand that even
better because we're understanding
that the bile is a detox product
and if we can soak up some of that
that's going to improve the uh the
outcome a little bit but you don't have
to use it right right well this has
been fantastic kelsie how can people
take you up on consults at nutrition
detective i just told them how but
do you want to say anything more about
that process yeah yeah if if you'd like
to work with me then now you can go
on nutrition detective dot com and
sign up for a consult and we'll uh
get our our blood our four basic blood
tests from you the only ones you need
and your first hair mineral analysis
and then we'll see what you've got going
on and help you determine what
supplements to take on your uh low
toxin love your liver diet too because
again that diet is your best tool to
be getting better if you're dealing
with chronic toxicity and deficiency
yeah the diet is basically all i've
used because i can't tolerate
supplements so it's literally just been
a very you know pretty pretty tight not
100% when i i'll go out now and again
and if someone wants to eat it too like
i can if that's your case then i'll
help you with that for your treatment
plan we'll talk about that more about
your diet so exactly sorry sorry i
didn't mean to interrupt
no worries but i've made all of this
progress it's not due to supplements
for anyone that's criticizing the
the supplement thing it's i don't
i'm not a good customer on the
supplements because i i can't take them
and even some of them yeah you sell
them and i can make them myself too so
it's it's not a supplement business going
on
and and i want to stress that when
people get healthier they need a lot
less if even supplements so this is not
a it's not a business
money-making model
if anyone right yeah yeah we're we're
not our we're not our own best uh
salesman here but but yeah we but we
want it we want to teach you like
Dr. Smith's first website was like
doctorstteacher.com like we want to
teach you what we know and to share
this
and and and that's what's
that's the most important it's just
learning and just unbreaking these
kind of uh these these brainwashing
patterns and propaganda that we've
been taught uh to think is healthy
that's that's actually not and there's
there's plenty of examples on it so
we can teach you how to feed
yourself
as well and to think differently about
what you're putting into your body
yeah exactly or yeah yeah the
indoctrination is so insidious and it
was very hard you know i i literally
specialized in helping people and
myself to deprogram
and i was shocked how hard it was to
let go of the natural health cult
stuff
so um it looks like now i don't hope
i'm not talking at a turn but it
looks like i'm going to be doing a
depros deprogramming and releasing
group
inside the love of your lever group to
help people to give them both
opportunities to work on the on the
physical and then the mental emotional
side as well so um that might help them
move faster if they're having trouble
letting go of that programming that we
have oh sure yeah yeah it's i i think
that's great because there's a you
know emotional and spiritual component
to it isn't all toxicity and
deficiency i i don't mean to uh
lump it all into that but yeah it
you have to want to get better at
you know there there has to be some
soulful healing to uh as as well as the
component of this is so yeah that's
great yeah and you never know where
like you can help from so many different
angles because the physical does help
the spiritual mental emotional right
even just adding glutamates i have a
better brain and a better brain means
i'm going to not have such an a
version to my emotions i might be you
know up in in a higher courageous
energy so it all feeds into itself
there's there's really no barrier so to
speak we just do that because of our
yeah trainings and our professions but
yeah so i'm pretty excited about that
and then tomorrow we are doing that
new video for toxic bio theory so
people can look forward to that i
think the the most excited
exciting thing for me about that is
being able to send somebody to a
current version of of the knowledge
that has evolved which i personally
that to me gives it credibility rather
than takes away you guys are learning
your cutting edge and you're bringing
your knowledge to the people so that's
going to be updated and available
and then um yeah i think that's also
kelsey thank you so much for joining
today i apologize that i'm not on
camera but maybe it's better to match
you
it was fun thank you for having me on
today
my great pleasure and uh yep so you can
visit nutrition detective com there is
a great youtube channel which just has
gobs of information over the years you
can also see the evolution of
particularly garret smith who does not
look like the same person he used to
right you can attest to that i'm sure
kelsey because you've been around
for a while
and a lot of people go and really
binge watch at this channel get so much
out of it i never get tired of it every
time i turn something on i end up like
oh i gotta take notes oh i just heard
something i wasn't mentally able to
hear before because the all of the
biochemistry was new to me uh so it's
it's a gold mine even if you just
get into the youtube i know people
who have healed and got lots of results
just with listening to youtube's but at
the same time i do recommend the
consultation process with the testing
and access to office hours which can be
as many as three times a week you guys
like the value is off the charts with
the ongoing assistance that you guys
provide so yep that's that's all so
yeah you're very welcome i'll stay on
for another minute or two just to
recap the announcements i had at the
beginning and otherwise lots of love
to you kelsey i hope you have a
beautiful holiday christmas and
thank you for all your work and the
profound effect that it's having
okay you're so welcome and i'll see how
to get to your zeolite so for christmas
okay oh yes i would love that thank you
okay okay bye bye for now
all right my dearest well that was
really fun i learned something there
and uh thanks for all the
participation in the chat which i
always appreciated forgive me for my
camera i'm wondering if it's just
simply an update i'm going to try to
update browsers i'm going to turn my
computer off for the first time in uh
i don't know 18 months or something
like that i'm assuming it's just a
glitch i couldn't figure it out i
tried really hard to come on my phone
and it wasn't letting me do that either
so maybe it's a streamer problem we
shall see and yep so if you didn't
hear announcements at the beginning
either there's lots coming up including
in the house of free will tomorrow
it's not tomorrow that would be let's
start with tomorrow so tomorrow is not
the house of free will it's the bath of
fresh air podcast i'm going to be
hosting deg marston sova to talk about
the natural health cults and how to
decult from those and we're going to
be showing from a number of different
modalities that are you know protocol
based and diet based and and all
kinds of that thing we're going to
show what's useful in it and what
could be let go that is unproven
that why it actually doesn't work so i
think that's going to be great
i don't have experience with a lot of
the 27 list that deg mar sent me so
she's going to be speaking more to it
a little bit like an interview
and that's going to be a lot of fun i
personally love demystifying and
decalting natural health because boy
it's it's it's a mess and then
tomorrow that's apparently that was
tomorrow at 2 p.m central then we have
a private l y l meeting love your
liver meeting in the house of free
will for members only on saturday at
noon we also have a members only
foundations of english law series
starting monday the 22nd of december
at 6 30 p.m central time so that
time zone is good for australians i
wanted to say for for the course
that i'm starting in january creator
code i made specific office hours so
that the australians could who might
have to get up in the middle of the
night for the course will have
access to a second time where they can
ask questions and they can help you
know get help with the practice and
clarification of the class materials so
i always gives me pain to schedule a
live anything because i know i'm going
to exclude sometimes on that way and
i found a way around it so i'm kind
of excited this is the link to
creator code this is about visioning
and getting to a place where you can
create from freedom rather than from
fear this is from my community what i
heard them say is how do you create
anything when you think the world is
going to end so that became the seed
creation for me to say hey i can so
help with this why because every time
i've got stuck in my life and that
doesn't stop happening it just i get
out of it more easily using the
deprogramming and archetype work
so this is going to be great we have
a beautiful group already starting to
join and the early bird savings of 50
percent off are in fact 50 percent on
top of 50 percent because i'm never
going to be offering it at this low
investment again and i'm going to be
asking for feedback from people in
exchange for those really deep savings
if you happen to be a past journey
code graduate meaning you've been
through my seven month training to
become a coach then you enjoy an
extra 50 percent off of this so just
in case you're hearing and you
didn't see an email for some reason
that i want you to know that and then
also coming up i am hosting alex michael
who is the conspiracy music guru
monday at 11 a.m that's the 22nd as
well that's so that's 11 a.m cst since
he's in spain and needed that to be a
little bit earlier
december 29 is jacob bleeperman on the
king hero's journey where we are
right now and like i said december
29 is also the deadline for the early
bird savings for creator code so i
think that's all i had to share thank
you so much for being here i really
love kelsey every time i have her on i
just admire her brain like crazy
let's try not to get too personal
about that and lots of love it does
help me if you could like and share
this i often don't beg for that but
it's astounding when i get off the
stream sometimes and i see there was
actually less there's less views than
there was viewers so they're mucking
with the numbers in the back end and
so it would help me if if you don't
mind if you've got some value out of
this please do
share it out with people all right my
dearest i'm going to play us out
with a a track by my son by the way
i'll just put up his if you wanted
to
show any appreciation going just up
to his channel he is s a
one k o zero or is that is o one anyway
he has a very bad name channel that you
can't go find
and so but you could look for him or
ask me
anywhere that i can be found uh telegram
is a really good place to come if
you aren't on telegram already i'm
going to grab quickly a link to my
king hero chat where a lot of
conversation takes place we also have
private groups for the house of free
will and the love your liver but i
won't share those because you have to
be in the house of free will which you
could apply to be if you would like
that so you can find that at my website
and so here is a that's my telegram
chat i'll put that here i'd love you
to join us you will run into rose
asking you about whether you're a
bot or a real human or not so don't
get scared of that it helps us keep
the spam down thanks to ag if you're
still around
for helping with that and yeah i think
that's all for now so we will be back
tomorrow dagmar and i to talk about
natural health decolting i made that
word up all right my dear so i hope
you have a beautiful rest of your
evening and this is my son playing
us out for now