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Welcome back to the Delling pod Peter Duke the sign that you are back so soon
Is an indication of how much I loved our last podcast?
It was great. Well, thank you so much
I'm really happy to talk to you know thinkers
There's a lot of people who know a lot of stuff and they like to talk about what they know
But there's not a lot of people that are constantly
Expanding their own own horizons. I find and you're one of them. So thank you for having oh, well, that's a that's a lovely compliment and I
Really really appreciate it. And what she while young on the compliments front
I like
the color of your shirt
Well, well, well, thank you. I it's new, you know, as we said the last time that we spoke
I lost everything that I owned so I found this great website and I won't be pimping them here
But I found this great website that has
Lovely products and and so I've been rebuilding my my wardrobe one one shirt at a time
It's a good. It's a good. It's a good shade. I will some stage show you not not today necessarily my my new
Sweater I've got which is this kind of moss green. It's it's quite like that. Anyway, I
Before we go on and there's lots of there's loads. I want to talk to you about
I wanted to ask a question. I didn't ask last time
When you had your house burned down in Pacific palisades and you lost everything, I mean, how are you dealing with this?
You know, it's in a weird way. It's kind of freeing
because I don't know I I've lost my parents and you know what as your parents get older
You know, they start to kind of unload stuff. I noticed my glasses are kind of fogging up here
I'm gonna they you know, they they kind of unload stuff and I think they're one of the last things that my mother ever said to me
Before she passed away. She said, you know at the end. It's just stuff and and so
one of the things that
You go through is that
You define yourself. I think in this very kind of
Materialist world and I'm thinking about who's the guy who wrote the society of the spectacle
I'm trying to remember the name of the author. He's a French guy. Anyway, the idea is that we kind of define ourselves by all of these kind of
manufactured goods and things and you know, it reminds me of a conversation I had with the vice president of of
home entertainment for Paramount once and I was trying I was working for Microsoft as a consultant and he was
We were trying to sell him this new way to connect DVDs to the internet through web-enabled computers
And he said, you know, I don't really care about any of that stuff and I said why is that and he said because
Most people don't watch DVDs and this guy was in charge of selling DVDs for Paramount Studios
And I said, what do you mean most people don't watch them?
And he goes I've just spent hundreds of thousands of dollars doing all this market research and I found out that
That most people who buy CDs don't actually even put them into the
I'm sorry DVDs. Most people who buy DVDs don't even put them into the DVD player
And I said, I said, what are you talking about?
And he goes people buy DVDs for all kinds of reasons a lot of times they'll buy
DVDs because it was a movie that they saw once and they really liked that movie and they put it up on their shelf
And then they never actually watched the movie
And and the reason I'm telling you this story is because I think that a lot of the stuff that we wind up having
It's because it's what we want other people to think about us. It's not really about us at all
And so when you lose all of your stuff
one of the one of the things that's really interesting is that you know, and and I was reasonably insured
I wasn't completely insured, but
you know, you wind up getting a big check from the insurance company and
Then you go to start to replace stuff and you start asking yourself the question
Do I really want to replace this? Is this something that I really want? Did it really mean that much to me?
you know and
It turns out that most of the stuff falls into the category of I don't really care anymore
You know, there's a few things, you know the sentimental things that you associate with your family or your loved ones
But other than that most of the other stuff it turns out. It's just stuff. So
That's how I deal with it. I'm now worried that by complimenting you on your shirt
I may have revealed the that the materialist within me
There was I thinking I was complimenting you on it's it's that particular kind of shade of green that I like it's because it's it's actually not
It's not quite a military
Green yeah, it's just off
Well, it's linen and I I was a little worried when I parted on because I don't the collar
I probably could hit with an iron and I realized when I was putting the shower the shirt on that I no longer own an iron. So
Are you familiar with the the the theory about
Different fabrics having different
Different they resonate at different frequencies
No, but it makes it makes perfect sense to me and you won't be surprised to learn that the two
best
Frequencies that the most beneficial frequencies are the ones that linen
vibrates on and the one that I think will
Vibrates on well, that's great because I get linen shirt and linen pants on so I'm but bizarrely
Apparently they cancel each other out. You're not meant to do which is why there were those biblical strictures on mixing mixing fabrics
You're you're you're breaking up again. I didn't hear that last sentence. Oh, how annoying that
And and you're the Bible
Has strictures on on
mixing of fabrics
Current and there's a reason for that that they that the frequencies cancel each other out
Which is why you don't watch it. So it's extraordinary that there is a is a
scientific the right word that there is a there is a
logical
Practical basis for for these apparently
crazy
Injunctions that you get in the Old Testament. Well, my wife is going to be very
Interested to hear that because she she knits
and so and she's an avid knitter and so the the the
The what the yarn is made out of winds up becoming incredibly important
Sorry and
Importantly an incredibly important
Part of her entire process like she's she's very picky about the particular
Material that she's using so she'll be really interested to hear that and we read the Bible every day. So, ah, yeah
Yeah, I do as as well. It's um, it's become a hobby of mine
Yeah, we I really want to talk to you about your
fascinating theories about
the structure of the language of the of well particularly Christ's
teachings as
a kind of way of
Establishing truth. I mean a pistol. What was it? I'm sorry. What's what's the word?
Yeah, I started off by looking at epistemology and well my my entry into things was actually linguistics
and I wanted to learn
Neurologistic programming
Because I wanted to understand how language is used to manipulate us
What's the blocking and tackling like how do you actually put words together because for people who don't know?
Neurologistic programming is just hypnosis that uses conversational language. So
It's a way of stringing, you know, the Greeks might have called it rhetoric
But it's it's pretty targeted at the individual person and so
Noam Chomsky
Came up with he wrote a book called syntactic structures where he creates he came up with this thesis
It's this is a universal principle like he didn't invent it. He just wrote it down
That that we all have something that he calls a deep structure of memory
Which is basically all of the things that we've ever experienced or
Understand in our mind
Some people think it's in our brain. I don't think so. I think it's in our mind. I don't think our mind is our brain
That's a whole different conversation
but
but we have all of these ideas and
in order to be able to
compress
What we know
Into what we can say
We need to do one of three things. We need to either delete distort or generalize our
our
understanding of the world in order to fit
Whatever the ideas that we have that we want to convey the questions that we want to ask
Into a sentence that somebody sitting in front of us can understand
and so so we're constantly deleting distorting and generalizing and a couple of guys
United a retired United States
Special Forces intelligence officer named John Grinder
And his partner a guy named Richard Bandler
Sat down and they figured out what the patterns are in people's language that reflect whether or not they're deleting
distorting or generalizing and that leads to a a
a
Methodology where you can ask people questions that will reveal whether or not
The the sentences that they're putting together are deleting distorting or generalizing
their view of the world and so
It it gives you kind of a a skeleton key for getting into somebody's personality
That doesn't require any kind of domain
Understanding of who that person actually is or what their experiences actually are because
You're simply looking at the way that they're putting their language together
In order to determine whether or not they're deleting distorting or generalizing something so that was kind of the baseline
That's where I started so just just interrupt you do
Different people tend to do one of those three more often than than others
I mean is it are you either a deletion person or a
Generalization person or I you know, I I haven't thought about I again
I I I don't do this for a living hypnotists actually do this. This is what they do all the time
They're constantly analyzing people's language and so I'm
And and you know, there's a difference between learning how to speak a language and learning how to understand it
So I'm I don't consider myself a hypnotist
But I understand when I I can recognize when hypnosis is being used
The same way that somebody you don't have to play football
To understand how football is played and so you can you can be you can be a spectator and you can understand how a sport
happens
so I
Haven't done that but I did notice I was watching your conversation with Neil Oliver and I'm glad you mentioned
This yeah, cuz I want you to yeah, tell me make your point
So you started off a sentence and again
You went to Oxford you're an English literature
specialist and
and and so the way that you form words is of a specific character and you started off a sentence by
by using two words surely you must and
I and I
Don't even remember what you were talking about. I do and this is this is the bone
I'm gonna pick with you, but but you make your good point first, okay, yes, surely you must so surely is
a universal quantifier
which is a word that takes a
Concept and moves the needle all the way over to one side or the other which if you're a podcast toast
It it's fine because what it does is that it it
Initiates the other person to respond to that that that generalization, right?
Yeah, and then and then you followed it up with must yeah, and and must again is universal quantifier
where you're actually pushing the needle all the all the way over to one side or the other and
The reason why it and I was thinking about this before we did the interview today the reason why it's
It's a great technique if you're an interviewer is because if you've got somebody who's kind of like a fence sitter or there
It forces them into
Responding with an opinion. Okay. Yeah, the reason the reason that it winds up becoming dangerous to quote
Neil Oliver is because people who are watching you will model that behavior
Okay, and the and the issue lines up becoming is that while it's a great rhetorical
Device for getting people to talk in an interview
It it's kind of a polarizing way to speak in public with other people
So that that was my comment right right so do you think I should
Issue a health warning before my podcast saying look do not do not copy this man. Do not copy me
I'm dangerous. I use dangerous techniques, which I don't know the experts
No, no, no not at all
And in fact what I do because I've gotten pretty good at catching myself
But you know the first when you learn how to do this stuff you you you discover suddenly that
You're you're also a victim of pattern matching what I call pattern matching
Which is that we have certain?
Surely you must is probably something you've said thousands or tens of thousands of times in your career and
And it's not a bad thing to say but when I use universal quantifiers a lot of times
I will call myself out on the on universal quantifier just to let my audience know
Hey, I'm doing something that I tell people not to do
But but I'm letting you know that I'm doing it
so I
In my defense, I would say that number one
Hyperbole is is part of my charm and also there's something slightly in the way in the delivery
I would say which
Which is sort of self-correcting in that I say in such a way that it's kind of me being
Over the top but more specifically in that instance
I suppose the reason that I was your criticism although it was a good point but well made
It's slightly rankled was in actually you've identified this. I was frustrated by Neil's
Fence sitting he's quite he's quite cautious and the point I'd been he was he was talking about how
Well on the one hand or the other on the other
The evidence some say this some say that and I'm thinking
Frankly fuck this this fence sitting shit. I was thinking don't tell me what you think I'm not interested in this kind of
Grand overview. I want to know what you know a lot of a thing and the context of this was
Surely you must have developed your own
Working theory on
Who's behind all this stuff who's in charge what the rules are
Is it God and the fallen angels? Is that the deal? This is my deal
I'm telling you what I think now. Please tell me what you think and
He was able to evade it because he spotted the the linguistic trick being played and he used it to sort of
Like a like a matador evading the bull
But actually in the process he didn't commit himself to it to an answer that was
Really interesting because I don't think I don't think fence sitting is is an acceptable position. It annoys me
It's reaching and and and that's a perfect a perfectly reasonable explanation
and what I have found in my on my own podcast is that my audience is
super interested in
Understanding exactly the point that you just made that is whatever Neil Oliver had to say is not as interesting to them my audience as
As as as the breakdown that you and I just had of the interaction because it gives them the tools to be able to kind of
Look at other conversations and spot that stuff. Oh
Let's not pretend that this conversation we're having right now is not really interesting
I'm really useful and people are gonna love it. It's great
Yeah, I could I could analyze this stuff till the the cows come out, which was what I think one of the reasons that you and I
Get on so well, we had this sort of instant rapport. It's all they we come from
Pretty different backgrounds and I mean I have no access to your
Technical understanding I don't you sent me when I said what are we gonna talk about and you sent me this?
A drop box thing
Yes, and you thought you were being kind to me
But actually you were tormenting me because what I had to do was find out which of my various drop box emails
That it was that it went to
To get into my drop. Yeah. Yeah, I apologize. I I didn't have an email address for you
I only had the chair. I see
anyway, yeah, but but
And you've had this fascinating background not just in tech but in
the movie industry that you and I
Because of our backgrounds
We've come to this understanding about how the world works, which I think is a very accurate one, which is why we're good
worth listening to
Which is that the people who rule the world
do so
not really by
technological
Advantage it's not that they've got they're now to develop super weapons
We've talked about nuclear weapons in a bit. It's they've mastered the art of the use of language as a weapon to deceive
Yeah, and it's all it's all about the illusion that it's not about building bigger bombs or it's about
Creating the illusion that you've got a bigger bomb to use use the analogy that you use in your one of your essays on on
You're going to Russia ma. Yeah
But that's it, isn't it? It's really that simple
Have you come across this theory that the word media
Is related to the Meads the Meads and yes in the God and the goddess media I think
So it is isn't it? It's it's the skill of of
Brainwashing the the public and to do what you want. Well, well ultimately belief
I mean we will get to Christian epistemology. I started off
We will talking about neuro linguistic programming, but I needed that as a base kind of to show you what my my path was
But yeah belief the reason that I think that a pistol we're in an epi war an epistemological war is because
And epistemology is a big long word that just means. How do you know that?
How do you how do you know that's true?
How did you find out that information that you're using in order to frame your reality?
Because ultimately epistemology is about belief. It's about the the words or the experiences that we all have that
frame our belief systems
And if you think of anything education or religion or media as
the way that belief systems are framed
then
You can you know, you can you can step back a little bit and see how
You know belief systems are used in order to
Manage societies and to your point. It's a lot more cost-effective
Than kinetic warfare. It's a lot more cost-effective than violence
In order to manage large populations and get them to do what you want them to do
Talking of which do you have the view that um, what's happening in?
Iran right now
It's more it's more kind of
Illusion than than reality
um, I
Putting on my epistemological warfare glasses. I I look at the stories that come out
and
Analyze the the stories are more important to me than that and I'm not saying that people getting blown up
Is a good thing and I'm not saying that what's happening in Iran is is a good thing or in Gaza
I don't think it's I don't think that they're those are good things
But the stories that come out wind up becoming more informative to me than the actual events that are happening and I don't again
I don't mean to sound uh
Anti-human when I say that
Because in the epistemological warfare frame those are the most important
Components what is it that people believe and uh, how is it that they're finding those things out?
And so
Ultimately, I think that what's going on in Iran and Gaza are both related to what malania trump was talking about
At the un, you know 10 or 11 days ago
Uh, which is it's the rollout of the control grid and they're gonna they're gonna use the
The fact that people are have had their homes destroyed and that there's lots of orphans
In order to be able to kind of pull on the heartstrings of people
But I think that I look at all of the places that are being cleared
And you know, I come from the pacific palisades and the difference between the pacific palisades in Gaza
Is that people they're the only 12 people got killed in the pacific palisades
But from a real estate standpoint, there isn't any difference between the pacific palisades in Gaza. It got cleared
Okay, it just it just got erased off the surface of the planet. It's a clean slate as it were
um, and so uh, what I think is going on is that uh, they're they they are resetting
Iran and they are resetting Gaza and they're resetting the pacific palisades
um, and uh
In order to put in this new thing that they've published white papers and books and
Uh, they do you and speeches about like they they tell you what they're doing
Yes
Yes, and what was the place in hawaii, which they also cleared. Mahayana. Yeah. Mahayana. Yeah. Yeah
um, yeah, no, I think I think you're I think you're right. So
Let's go to um
The bible and go to the teachings of of jesus. I think it's
Fascinating what what you say, right?
So when I yeah, so when I learned to learn neuro linguistic programming, like I said, my wife and I read the bible every day
My wife is catholic and we read the old testament
We read a chapter the old testament and we read a chapter the new testament every day
And when we get done with it, we start over again and we just we've been that's been a routine of ours for five years now
um, and so i'm i'm like
Two and a half or three times through the bible already
Um, and numbers and little viticus get more interesting every time
Okay, I discovered yesterday. This is something that I didn't know but again, uh, my fascination with words
Uh testament. Do you know what the word testament means? No, tell me
Well, it it is related to the word testicles
Okay, yeah, and and basically what it means is your ability as a man
to uh, uh continue your
off your your your line through your offspring
and so, uh
When you it basically means that you're swearing on your testicles
Okay, that that this is the truth and the reason that abraham has his uh
His servant put his hand under his leg
Yeah, is to check to make sure that his testicles are there
Okay, what before he that when he swears his oath he's swearing it with with the correct equipment
Yes, that you're swearing out on the correct equipment. Yeah, that's exactly what it's
and so so
So the use of words, um in order to define things is
incredibly important component and
Like I said, I don't think that gnome chomsky invented the deep structure. He wrote about it. I don't think that uh,
John grinder and richard bandler invented
Meta model patterns. They just documented them. They are they are things that have existed and what's great about learning linguistics is that
It is kind of language independent. That is there's different nuances between english and german and latin and greek. Okay, but
um specifically a cause effect complex equivalency is a cause effect complex equivalency and i'm sorry
I or a universal quantifier is a universal quantifier in in different languages and so
um
And so what I and I know for a fact that people like robert delts
who's also a big name in neuro linguistic programming that they that they used people like martin luther king and
uh jesus
uh of nazareth to uh to determine what the structures were
In neuro linguistic programming in order to be able to identify the patterns. So it's not a coincidence
That if you learn neuro linguistic programming you can look at the new testament in a completely different way because
um
Jesus is using the same techniques
um and to that end um because my wife and I were reading the bible every day and I was learning neuro linguistic programming
I started to pick up on the fact that
He's
with with the with the exception of intent
Okay, which is usually
The difference between a pickup artist
and a
Uh and a therapist who are using neuro linguistic programming is intent, right?
It's the outcome that they're trying to elicit out of the person that they're having a conversation with
Um, and what I started to pick up on and what I started to realize is that jesus is using the same techniques
that tony robbins uses
Okay, um in reframing people's belief systems and ultimately again
What jesus is doing is that he's changing what people believe
um by by virtue of the
Conversations that he's having with them
So for example in the uh, when uh, when they there's a situation where they uh, the give unto Caesar
uh
Story where you know, they where they say do you is it okay for you to you're a jew?
Is it okay for you to pay taxes?
um, and
He recognizes that as what as something that uh
Gregory Bateson
Defined as a double bind now. Gregory Bateson didn't invent double binds. He just wrote it down
okay, and um, jesus was put into a double bind and so
What he does is he asks him a question to show them a coin
Okay, when he does that he's reframing the conversation
Okay, and then
And then he answers the question within his the his new frame
Okay
That's neuro linguistic program. Okay. That's that I mean again
Uh, he did it first uh in that circumstance, but if you start to break down
the technique
That jesus has in each one of the
Uh, a red letter situations that he's in
Uh, he's constantly
identifying
Deletions distortions and generalizations in the situations that he's in
And then he's appropriately reframing
Uh, using a neuro linguistic technique reframing the conversation to reoriented
Reorient the belief system of the person that he's having a conversation with
Okay, so that's the that's the blocking and tackling
of
What he's doing so
um, what's and what's interesting about looking at it that way is that it it becomes dogma free
um, and a lot of people who are on the fence about
What being a christian means or what your belief in god actually means to you
Uh, uh becomes a lot more practical
Uh, because it is something that you can you can practice it you can do it
um, uh, you can
Uh
And a lot of the words
Like logos
John 1 1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word is god
Uh, or the word was god
Uh, that word logos is an active process
Um that gets turned in english or in latin into a static now
Um, and logos is what you and I are doing right now. We are using language in order
to convey ideas
Uh, uh that
Have the potential to reframe each other's belief systems. Um, that's something that we can do that a dog can't do
um
Does that does this mean that that ancient greek was a much more
subtle language than anything we've got today or is it
Uh, well, yeah, I think I nuanced I think maybe yeah. Yeah nuance might be a better word, but yeah
Yeah, I think it was significantly more nuanced. Um, but the main thing and again, I think that you
You read about these things when you start, um, investigating the history of christianity that nominalism winds up becoming a big thing now
Again, I wasn't a linguist when I started this but a nominalization is simply the idea that you take
a
An active process like logos and then you turn it into a static noun
Okay, uh the and the and the probably the the
Most significant one besides logos is the word consciousness
Okay, conscious consciousness. Uh, there's a
A billionaire who's the kind of the george sorus of california named nicholas bergruen and he gives this
He has this prize that he gives out
Every year on the essay that can best define consciousness
um, and it
The the metadata on that is that
Why in 2026 are we having essay contests where people have to define
a word that
In greece 3 000 years ago had a completely concrete meaning and everybody knew what it meant
Which is syniodesis?
um, which is simply the
The ability to recognize your own frame to recognize that
You have a perspective in the world and it's different from everybody else's and that
The way that you frame your own reality is based on your own experiences and that
It's a pretty it's a pretty concrete
Definition of that word and yet in 2026 3 000 years later. We're struggling to discover what it is
uh, I can go on and on
About about that but jumping back to christianity for a second the the if we understand what
the definitions of the
Basically, there's four words. There's more. Okay, maybe five
um
Or six, but there's four. Uh, there's a few words that if you actually understand what they mean in greek when you're reading the new testament
It it has a lot of uh impact on what the new testament means and this isn't bible code
You know, you know, it's not gematria where you're taking the third letter of every page and you know putting it together and building a sentence
It's it's simple because jesus is logos incarnate, right?
It it says it right there jesus's logos incarnate logos is
the the process of
uh, uh reasoned discourse that you and i are using right now, so he's reasoned discourse incarnate
Okay, it's and so if you are reading the the gospels and you understand that he it says that he's reasoned
Uh, uh discourse incarnate. I'm not making that up. That's what it says if you understand what the beginning of june
Yeah, exactly. Okay. That's what it says. Okay. Um, then anytime that you see he or
Uh, or uh, uh, he's speaking
Uh, you if you think about uh him as logos
Uh, not as a as a man, but as logos
uh, then
A lot of the things, uh that happen wind up becoming self-evident if you think of the father as
Unknowable truth when he says that only through me
Can you get to the father only through reasoned discourse? Right? Okay. Can you get to the truth?
Okay, then ding ding ding, you know a lot of lights go off. Um, and so
Uh, you know when when you start to read the bible and understand it in that
uh
in that uh epistemological and linguistic frame
Uh, a a lot of what winds up happening is
Uh, is is this belief reframing and so why does that wind up becoming?
Uh, uh, so important today in 2026 and that is because I believe that
In this battleground that you're talking about where belief system winds up becoming
Uh, the the the main way that human beings are controlled
Then you need to be able to uh, you need to be able to find a way to find the father
Okay in a truth-free environment
And I don't think that jesus was dealing with a different situation
Uh
In in his day, then we're dealing with in our day in that
Um, you've got a bunch of people who are running around who who are trying to control other people's belief systems
and
Jesus is giving a a a basic blocking and tackling
Uh a toolkit
For people to be able to discern truth in a truth-free environment
Right? If you don't know anything else
Uh, if you use these methods, uh, you can find your way to the father
You can use reason discourse in order to find your way to the truth
And I think that that's a very practical way of looking at christianity
I was very
struck
Um when reading your thesis
um
about
something that I
Already intuitive to it a while back, but I hadn't had it
confirmed really when I started going down the rubber hole
And becoming a sort of more serious christian at the same time
I realized that the two things were intimately connected that that that when
The the journey that you take as a christian is very similar to the the the journey you take when you go down the rubber hole
And you have to cast all your old life behind you
You have to abandon and you do you get abandoned by everyone. Um pretty much. He's not on the same path
um
And there are very few of you
Global warming is a massive con. There was no evidence whatsoever
That man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle
In order to deal with it. It's a non-existent problem. But how do you explain this stuff to your
Normie friends? Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book
Watermelons which captures the story of how
Some really nasty people
Decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land
It's a shocking story. I wrote it as I say in the well 2011 actually
The first edition came out and it's a snapshot of a particular era the era when
The people behind the chime climate change scan got caught red-handed
Tinkering with the data
Torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen
Climategate so I give you the background to to the skull jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where
These supposed experts were informing us. We've got to act now
I rumbled their their scan. I then asked the question. Okay, if it is a scan
Who's doing this and and why?
It's a good story
I I've kept the the original book pretty much as is but I've written
Two new chapters one at the beginning and one at the end
Explaining how it's even worse than we thought
I think it's a I think it still stands up. I think it's it's a good read
I obviously I'm biased but I'd recommend it you can buy it from
jamesdellingpole.co.uk
forward slash shop
But you're probably fine. I might just go to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those
People who are still persuaded that oh, it's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god
No, we don't it's a scam
I was very
Struck
When reading your thesis
um
about
something that I
Already intuitive to it at a while back, but I hadn't had it
confirmed really when I started going down the rubber hole
and
Becoming a sort of more serious Christian at the same time
I realized that the two things were intimately connected that that that when
The the journey that you take as a Christian is very similar to the the the journey you take when you go down the rubber hole
And you have to cast all your old life behind you
You have to abandon and you do you get abandoned by everyone pretty much who's not on the same path
um
And there are very few of you
And you get you get persecuted for it
These things apply both to conspiracy theorists and christians. Mm-hmm
it's
I mean
And you've explained why now
Well, again, I'm I'm I'm just looking at the words, but if you understand that uh, jesus's logos incarnate
and that um
Again, there's the the words are logos, which means
Reason discourse
There's crisis
Okay, which in english means something bad is about to happen. Okay, but in greek it means discernment
So then you have to ask yourself the question. So so the political
translation of words is there's a is called hermeneutics
um, and and so
uh, the translation of logos to the word or uh, uh crisis
To crisis in english as opposed to discernment
Okay, these are political decisions to get made right. You think so
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. They were hijacked deliberately and distorted
Yes, this lens for epistemological
ends, yes
Okay, so
Because if you change the meaning of a word then you change the belief system in the people that are reading those words
That's quite a it's quite a long way from crisis and its original meaning of discernment to
Yeah, i'm having a crisis
Well, what what about meek?
You ride horse
You ride horses, right? I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Meek in its greek form one again
You have to kind of dig through the little scott lexicon in order to get there
But meek in its original form is that ability that that reserved strength
And the and the the uh example that they give the it's in i can't remember which greek poet wrote about it
Um, but it's the ability to control a warhorse with your reins
Right
Which i failed to do the other the other the other week when i broke my finger
Yeah, my warhorse which was an was an ex racehorse
Was so strong
And i was trying to rein him in and i couldn't and i literally broke my finger on his on his neck strap trying to
And in fact
I broke one finger and the other finger which is the other finger that goes under under the neck strap the again
My ring finger i've damaged one of the nerves. Um, i
Because i've been focused on the broken finger i hadn't realized that the other finger was was a problem too
Well, i did that with a little teeny dog with my with my uh with my little finger on my right hand
Years ago, so you shouldn't be embarrassed. Okay. Okay, but that's um
Of course this this changes the meaning of of the so me
Here at the earth
Yeah
The mink so it's not people who are just kind of going. Oh
Do you think so? Oh really?
Well, whatever whatever what is our current understanding of meekness. It's just kind of
It's kind of weak and humble and you know quiet and you know
Uh, but no it's reserved strength is is what them strength. Well, that makes that makes more sense that they would inherit the earth
Of course it does so much so much more sense. Do you think?
Do you think that?
Um, the church fathers
Get this or not or are they working on the mistranslation? Do you think i mean do you think
Christianity has been almost totally taken over by these these kind of by the hermeneutics the by by the the false definitions
I think roman christianity. I said something to my wife yesterday. My wife is a catholic
She said that she loved you saying this. Well, no, she i make her very uncomfortable
uh, but uh, uh, she was uh, I did my pod
My my live stream yesterday and somebody was asked she was she moderates my chats for me and um, somebody was uh
Be rating her about you know, what kind of a christian I am. Is he a catholic? Is he at this? Is yeah
And I've I've thought about this a lot because it's very important to my wife and um
And I I came to the conclusion. Oh just yesterday. I I looked at her
I I thought of this a few days ago, but it's the first time it came out of my mouth
I said I figured out what kind of a christian that I am and she said what's that and I said I'm a lowercase c catholic
Um, oh, right. Yeah. Well, that's that's the universal that yeah, right
So that she got she didn't she didn't laugh, but it made her smile
You know like it. So do you do you reckon the orthodox of
I I was struck when I went to um to moscov last year and I was taken to the
The the fantastic super monastery outside mosco where lots of good stuff's happened. Um, and they've got you know, loads of
loads of good icons and
It's it's serious. Um
And it's quite heavily
fortified the walls outside
um the the the the surrounding walls
and somebody told me that that
back in the day
that this monastery was besieged
and
Pretty much everyone inside died, but they helped they held out and and and the the monks became warriors when they
in times of I spoke to say in times of crisis
but but
when when
When when trouble appeared the the monks were not meek any longer
They they they picked up their spears or their swords and or their war hammers and went out to fight
I was just wondering is is that still there? Do you think in the well?
Well, it's funny because when I came to when I again what I do is
Uh, I this has been a journey for me
Like if you look at my podcast two years ago or three years ago
I wasn't talking about any of this stuff because I hadn't figured any of it out yet. Um, and and uh, and so
Uh, I have an audience
That's global and one of my uh, one of my uh subscribers
started texting me because he lived in greece
And he said peter he said you have to move to greece
And I said why is that and he goes because we've known what you're saying for 2000 years now
Okay, right, right and and and and so when you start to look at things like the fourth crusade
where the roman church
teamed up with
the venetians
In order and convinced a bunch of french knights that they were going to go to jerusalem
and uh free jerusalem from the moors or the saracens
I can't remember who it was that was in jerusalem at the time
But they wound up going to constant noble and sacking constant noble
in 1204
um and replacing all of the greeks breaking
prelates
In the in the church with latin speaking prelates. So there's a few important things that happen in the in the uh
fourth crusade that you don't really read about in a lot of books. Um, one is that
The monetary system of the roman empire, uh, the panophysics maximus in constant noble
Had the right to mint gold coins
um
And then the second thing was that the greek speaking catholic church got replaced with the latin speaking
catholic church
um in 1204 so
Those things happened where you basically had, you know catholic on cat. It was a crusade, but it was catholics fighting catholics
um greek catholics fighting
roman catholics, yeah
Yeah, so
Right
So from an epistemological standpoint just from a language standpoint
That's a that there's a big important shift if you understand the importance of taking
logos and turning it into word or taking, you know
Uh prowess and turning it into crisis or I
I don't know if that's the right word. That's the right one. Anyway, um, cross is meek. Yeah
Proud uh prowess is meek. Yeah. Yeah
So you got you have you have logos you have crisis
You have prowess and then you have agape agape is love and it's it's it's love that you do
It's it's an again. It's an active word. It's not a noun. It's not a feeling that you have it's something that you do
um
You do something for the good of the people that you're making your your your decisions for
um, and and that's a
again in english
Uh, when when people start talking about uh, uh, christian love
Uh, well, it was agape in greek
In in english, we tend to take uh, a bunch of different forms of love arrows and agape and
Uh, I think that there's a couple of other greek forms of the word love and then we put them all into this word love and it becomes
um, when you do that, uh, you create
uh confusion
Uh, and uh, which I call magic
I think that when you take something self-evident like agape and then you turn it into english
Love or probably a better example is logos you take logos and you turn it into the word
Then you're nominalizing it. You're turning it into an object and that allows you to introduce an intermediary
Uh, who can explain to you what the thing that you don't the self-evident thing that you don't understand
The reason that you don't understand it is because they've taken the self-evident component of it, which is
a meaning
And then they've turned it into an object that you have to be able to kind of puzzle out somehow
And you need help you need someone to explain it to you. Yeah
So a magician
this this is
really really interesting and it
it
Goes a long way to confirming my view
That christianity is is too important to be left to the uh, to the church
Because
Yeah, it
Well, again, I again, uh, I I think that there's
Just looking at it from an epistemological level. Matthew 1820 says we're two or three gathered. I am there
Okay, the logos is there. Okay, the reason discourse is there. He also said in at least
I think eight different places
That if you put more than 11 people in the room bad things are going to happen
Um, did he say that?
The illusion is to judas, right
Okay, okay, but but basically
The number 12
Is is is in there several times and um, and he said, you know, he he says one of the 12 of you is going to
Betray me and I think that the inference there is that if you keep your group smaller than 12
Yeah, okay, and I believe I I actually fundamentally believe that the reason that christianity
became uh, the grassroots
Roots
Uh movement that it became
specifically because of that strategy that small, uh, it's called the
In in encountering intelligence encountering intelligence. It's called the cell structure, right?
You have to say it sounds like a terrorist structure to me
Well, they want to call it a terrorist structure because the the romans thought the christians were terrorists. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah
So so so the and I keep telling I I said this on my show yesterday. It's like
I don't want
I don't want to put together a group of a million people that follow
Uh, peter duke or james stelling pa or anybody else
I want people to figure out what i'm saying and then go tell their friends
Okay, that's because that's the winning strategy
um
And that's why christianity became an unstoppable force
I'm I'm with you on all this. I said you what apart from and I'm trying to
uh
Study russian at the moment
I mean you've made me think I really should be doing ancient greek. Um, what what's the way what what is koine greek?
Is that is that just ancient greek koine look look here's here's the great news
um, the great news is that
uh, large language models are not
Uh, I don't believe in the the two words artificial intelligence. I don't I think it's a misnomer
But the large language models are really good at language. They're really good at it. And you have to be careful
Uh, but a lot of the research that I have been doing
Uh, I go into large language models. I ask it to look at the original koine koine greek. I have specific, um
Uh, uh prompts that I use that I'll share with you that I'll share with anybody in order to keep it focused
You know in order to make sure that it's not hallucinating and telling me something that isn't so
um, but the large language models are really really good at
um at doing translation and nuanced translation and you have to steer it
So when i'm studying greek, I always
Uh, I always require that it use the oldest
koine greek
Sources people go which version of the bible do you use do you use king james?
Do you use the vulgate do you and it's like no, I used the original koine greek, you know, um, and they're and you can
access the um
Uh, the oldest forms of the koine greek which are in the vatican library because they've all been digitized
um, okay
Do you have a name the gospels in the
Yes, they do and I don't know them off the top of my head, but I have them in my notes
So so the gospels
It's right. The the gospels were all originally written in greek
With the with the old testament you've got the septuagint
Which is it? Yeah. Well, yeah, and there and there and there are there is um controversy about whether or not the septuagint
Um is actually was actually written in greek also and then translated
Uh in the sixth century to hebru
Yes, well, this is okay
And given that we don't there was no evidence of this old hebru the uh hebru language is that
Which is crazy. I mean it does my head in to think that there's this
That supposedly the language in which the old testament was written doesn't exist anywhere
It you know makes me a bit suspicious
And you should be and and but but but that's why look looking at things on an epistemological level. It's like, okay
Here's a belief system
Okay, that's being used in order to control people
Okay, you can get down into the weeds of the dog dogma of it
And but if you if you stay on a on a metal level, uh, you can say, okay
Well, this is the belief system that was being used in order to control all of these people
um, and uh
Is it true or not? That's a different question, right?
Um, uh, but was it used as the motivation for getting people to plant crops at a certain time or
You know, uh, how is that these yesties?
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
So, uh
You know and and that kind of you know
You know part of what my
exploration has has been
Is trying to figure out, you know, who this cult is that that controlled the world and yeah
And and I don't think it's the jews. I don't I'm not into that
What do they even exist? I mean, I I don't even know who the jews are so that
Yeah, well, we'll start we'll start to find out where the word the word jew came came from
Where's that word again?
One of the great things about doing this and large language models
Okay, is that you can go in and you can say where did the word jew come from, right?
And I haven't done that. It's on my list to oh, you must do and you must get back to me
So I should use that must there, but it's quite it's quite imperative
I know that Hebrew means from over on the other side of the river
Okay
Uh, which it must be the Jordan. So it's the tribes that lived on one. So I think that like
like the Levites and the
Judea and Levites lived south of the Jordan and the other 10 lived north of the Jordan. So Hebrew means over the river
Um
Again, when you when you start to learn what the words mean then things start to make a lot more sense. Yes. Yeah
No, I I I share your suspicion of the the it's the jews because I think you've got to define jews. You've got to
I I'm I am very taken with the with the finician
theory
Yeah, yeah, and I see the matrilineal nature of it because where there is where there is a crossover with with with with the jews
um
But I can see it would really work as a kind of as a sort of secretive control mechanism
Which the matrilineal bloodlines? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, and it's
I
Yeah, I mean I could I could go on and on about that. Um, but the uh, uh, the child sacrifice thing, um on
Tell me about that. Well, I mean on january 5th. I walked by this really weird step
So I was the official photographer for stop the steel
I was a maga through and through and I was on the I was on the top echelon of
Maga like I was involved with the the the people who were the major influencers
And my entree into that was my ability as a photographer
So I built a network of of the most influential maga people out there. Um, and
Uh, I felt like I was in a honey in a honeypot slaughter pen on january 6th
I was at the at the at the capital. I had a credential. I was in the front row
I was on the steps and uh, and so I felt completely betrayed on the on the sixth
but on the fifth
I
because I come from hollywood
I uh decided that the best use of my time getting there a day before the event was to walk the plant
Which was to go to all the different locations that were scheduled
For donald trump to be the next day
To figure out where the best place to stand to get a good picture would be, you know
Where you know because the the the name of the game is getting there first, right? Yeah, and so I was walking down
Constitution avenue with a a friend of mine who I had hired as an assistant who just happened to be an expert in the occult and esoteric
um, that's he's got thousands of books any points to
Uh, the sermafridite on the top of something called the melan auditorium
That's supposed to be the goddess columbia whoever why do americans have?
Made up goddesses. There is no goddess columbia. By the way, there's no roman greek goddess columbia
Okay, that's a american made up thing like britannia is a made up british, okay, and um
And so
But it was cold and I didn't have time and then we kept walking and a block down in front of the national archive
Is this statue that's called heritage that is our another hermaphrodite. Okay, so it's a very
male looking uh frame shoulders legs feet
Uh, and and an androgynous bumma
Yes androgynous face
With boobs, right and in one arm. It's holding a baby in a sheaf of wheat
And in the other arm, it's it's holding an amphora or an urn
Um with a snake on top of it and on the base of it is a winged solar disk
Um, so this is america, right? Yeah, this thing was this was put up in the 1930s
okay, and
Okay, and I was going what is that and and by the way, I've done some research on it
It was it was delivered as a solid uh a block of limestone and the um the sculptor actually sculpted it out on site
So they put a little like curtain around it and the guy sculpted it where it sits
Right there, so they didn't sculpt it someplace and move it. They they sculpted it in place
anyway, um, I I ran into a but I I've talked to you before about mrs. Heritage history
And uh, I've been doing a lot of research on the Phoenicians and I found a book by a woman named I think
Uh, justine quinn
Is that her name alice justine quinn I think
oxford archaeology professor
Wrote this book called in search of the Phoenicians where she talks about these things called, uh, uh
It's a it's a subset of the Phoenicians
First of all Phoenicians just means people from the levant if you live in Greece
It doesn't it's there was no country called Phoenicia. There's no Phoenician flag
People will tell you that the red cross or that these other things are Phoenicians
Um, it may something had something that they they all had in common
But it is they didn't think of themselves as Phoenicians. They thought of themselves as tyrians or you know, whatever
um
Anyway, uh, it it did a very good job of explaining
Um, uh to me my it gave me the the knowledge to be able to look at that statue and interpret it and basically
uh
What that statue says to me my interpretation of it my semiotic interpretation of that statue is that
uh, the seed of
Uh, uh the seed of the past
Brings the harvest of the future the seed
Is the is the baby
okay, because in
child sacrifice what what what quinn found in all of these
Uh, toffet cult they had the she calls it the toffet cult
The toffets are a circle
Where there's a bunch of urns buried in the circle and inside the urns are the remains of sacrificed infants
So we we we hear about the uh, the baby sacrificing
But we don't hear about the the uh, the the telos or the eschaton. Why were these people burning babies?
Like what why were they doing that? Okay, and um on the tops of
The the circles are these stela s t i l e stelae
um, which look like gravestone markers
um, except that when quinn
um
Translated them and she translated like many of them
Um, they're receipts like you would get at costco
For for for this uh payment, which was this baby that we sacrificed we got this
Product we got this harvest
So so they're they're receipts
The the stela are the receipts um that
Confirm that for the sacrifice there was a payoff
Okay, and so uh, and so you wind up uh with this
Uh, very trans it's the it's very transactional
Let's just say that that the that the uh that the stela are very transactional
So then I I remembered the statue and I went back and I looked at the statue and I went well the urn
Is where the baby goes after they sacrificed the baby
Okay, and the and the the the wheat which is the harvest
Is the thing that's guaranteed by the sacrifice of the child
So it's a child sacrifice statue
That is sitting on the steps
Of the united states national archives that was put there
in the 1930s
Okay, so are you gonna is that the jews?
I don't think that's the jews
Okay, well, I think I think it just goes deeper. I deeper than that. I mean that the
That the point I sometimes make is that the jews didn't exist as a people
Before a certain period
So you've got it. You've got to wonder who was doing the bad shit before them and and it's
Well, the old testament is filled with stories of getting rid of those people
Right. Yeah, well god is
Frustration they were the golden calf people, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah
They were the people samuel was supposed to wipe out and get rid of
Right, so a lot of this might just be revenge
You know the Phoenician revenge by blaming it on the jews and then taking all of their territory back
Yeah to me
I
Yeah, I don't think that statue was put there by accident
I don't think it was put there in it. It was sculpted in innocence by a guy who just
happened to have seen some
Phoenician sculptures on his
Right, and I'm just gonna put a winged solar disc on the bottom because it looks good
Don't know what yeah, whatever give her a wing. Give her a baby. Yeah, cuz
No
But like but likewise the statue of liberty. I don't believe there. There isn't a god liberty
Okay, the the no, it's not that is lucifer, isn't it? No, it's at its addis
Oh, it's a artist. Okay. It's artist from from the sable and addis
And bringing this back to the testament
What is addis famous for cutting off his own testicles?
Oh, okay, so
So addis is uh, you're breaking up. So I'll I'll talk for a second. Um addis is uh, is uh
part of the sable and addis cult
And famously he was kind of a shepherd who fell in love with this
Goddess and then he'd be traitor because he fell in love with a nymph like a
A niad or river nymph or something like that and uh, he was so ashamed that uh, he castrated himself
uh, and uh, and and and bled to death I think and uh,
Sibel was so uh, uh taken aback that she turned him into a tree. So a pine tree, right?
um, which we all put up in our
In our houses at the end of december
Uh, we put oh
So we do
Yeah, we put this addis tree up in our in our houses. I don't think you finished making your point about um, how
The finish there was a sort of subgroup of Phoenicians. Yeah, so yeah, they uh, so they were the people who were driven out of the Levant
okay, so uh, so, uh, uh
moses and uh company
His descendants were constantly trying to get rid of these people
In that part of the world and they wound up settling in colonies. Carthage was the biggest one
But they were also in uh, Sicily
uh, and sardinia
and north and other parts of north africa
um, right and so uh, and so that's and if you think about like the italian mafia
uh, and the things that uh, the overlaps between uh, the their methods
uh, and the italian mafia then uh
Uh, it makes sense that you know in sicily and sardinia and northern africa
That these things are going
yeah, so
Just going back. I know it's it's presumptuous to try and work out what the mind of god is
but
As i understand it from your theory
god
Sends his only son
to take human flesh
And to to die for our sins, but simultaneously
He becomes a sort of metaphor
in in in a sort of linguistic um
Uh a nominalization a nominalization. Yeah
That enables
Because okay, so god looks at looks at the earth and he sees that he's very disappointed. I mean things have just gone
Terrible that that people haven't debated his injunctions to take out the people who put their children in the fire
that they've they've adopted the ways of the of the very people that he said he most appores and
Unfortunately, the deal is with free will that god cannot just
Just storm in there and intervene and smite smite all the bad guys and rescue all the good
he has to
let us
Fight it out for ourselves
and so what he does is he gives
Through jesus he expresses he gives us the secret of
A fighting back linguistically against our oppressors and discerning
Yeah, yeah, is that how it works
Yes, and then and then in order to control that because it became grassroots and uncontrollable
Then you need to apply magic. So you need to wrap that process in a mystery
And introduce experts to explain it to people
Because I did god want that bit
Was that a church
Isn't that the church intervening in that but isn't that the sort of the political system?
Ecclesia is ecclesia is another word that became church ecclesia just means a group of people. Yes. Yes
So I I I I get that. Yeah
I'm just
Are we
I haven't done enough research on on that particular component of it
Frank frankly because I think that it'll cause more domestic strife for me than anything else
I mean, I don't know about you Peter, but but
I feel very very blessed that that my christian journey
Started at about the same time as my journey down the rabbit hole
because what it means is that I I haven't got
That much dogma weighing me down. I mean, I mean, I'm the church of england, isn't it?
You can write you can think what you like
Luckily, I have a story about that but go on so so my my brother dick
Is is is now a catechumen in the in the orthodox church and I I applaud it and I and I I
I envy him in many ways, but
I feel at the moment that
I'm on
I'm on a mission to find out what god really wants. I mean, what that
That is the essence of godliness trying to try to do god's will
And and and that that's really important to me because I think it's the key to everything
um
happiness apart from anything else and and um, and obviously whatever happens here after but um
It's it's difficult, isn't it? It's difficult and and and what you what you what you're saying now about about
logos and and um
discernment and and meekness and
and agape
It it it makes sense to me that that it's kind of up to us to
To use these skills to work out what the deal is
But it's not just saying it's not just to kind of sit there and listen to what your what your priest tells
kingdom of god is within you
yeah
That's he didn't stutter
And we're not being gnostic here, but oh, I mean it's a little it's a little with a with a lowercase g
Yeah, yes indeed
Indeed
yeah
Which is right right again again the look because because being gnostic is an ab is an active product with a lowercase g
Is an active process?
Yeah, right with an uppercase g. It's a it's a noun. It becomes a static object
Yeah, yeah
And so Mike so I have a question for you. Yeah, which is your because you're an english literature major at oxford
Yeah, right. Well, did they talk about this at oxford? No
No, I mean
I do credit my my tutor
Um peter conrad who was who's brilliant with my intellectual formation. I mean he did more for me than anybody
Has done before or since
uh because he
insisted that we work out work out stuff for ourselves
He he he said you here's here's your reading list. Um and here and and
You'll be here's a list of critical texts, but he said why why read the critical text when you can just
Read the text and and respond
Which is which is a wonderful thing to be told when you're when you're when you're you're 19
And you're emerging from a school system, which has trained you to kind of parrot stuff and
Um, you know, he gave me permission to think for myself, which was great
But I I don't I don't think that my that the education I had in christ church was typical of the experience of
Even at that even at that time when oxford was undoubtedly a better university than it is now
And better at better at encouraging
Original thought to a degree not on ppe maybe but in the english district of course
right
Again, I you know, you and I have talked about this before I just uh because I think that it's interesting because when I go to find
uh
Like the definitive sources a lot of them are oxford publication, right?
So I was I was doing I was doing research on the fasci and uh, there's a book
by
Guy named quarry can't remember his name the definitive book on fat on the on the symbol
The fasci which is the bundle of sticks with the axe
Um was written by a guy who went to oxford
Who happened to be the a guitar player in the band the lemon heads if you can imagine
right, okay
okay, but
My analysis after looking at that book my analysis of what the fasci really means is that it's the symbol that
That represents the monopoly on violence and my
My thesis at this point, uh, I I
In the last couple of days, I wrote an uh an amendment to the constitution of the united states to kind of fix the problems
that we have right now
If I might not be so bold, but um
But uh, it it it occurred to me that uh, we we talk about money being the thing that controls
uh the world and uh, e michael jones makes a great, uh
argument in his book baron metal that if you don't have a moral
uh
Money system it doesn't really matter what kind of money system you have
Because you're going to wind up with uh an oligarchy or a totalitarian
Government, um, if you don't have morals attached attached to it. And and so I made an attempt
An amoral way of
In instilling morality into the constitution of the united states. Oh tell me your solution
um, well, um the the so my my thesis is that
um, there's two things
uh
That the uh oligarchy uses in order to control us
One is a monopoly on violence people will say money
But I think it's a monopoly on violence and epistemology and I think that money is a form of epistemology
That is getting people to believe that
Gold is worth this or silver is worth that or a dollar or a pound is worth this. This is all magic, right?
This is all epistemological magic
And so you have to go you have to go to the core you have to go to the root of what the problem is and so
Uh, the problem with the constitution of the united states of america is there's two major problems with it
One is that it doesn't address
transparency
And it doesn't address
Uh accountability
Uh, uh in in a way that is satisfactory to
uh
Uh to the ideals of a democratic republic
And so um going back to the control grid that melania trump was kicking off in the un
Where they want to put in this, uh
This they want to put in this blockchain based
management and control system to control every human being on the planet every dollar that we spend every
Uh, uh calorie that we eat every calorie that we expend
They want to be able to control all of that
And I said great
Okay, let's let's turn this around and point it at the oligarchs, too
Because there's two things
Uh, uh that are missing right now in all constitutions all
I don't care what country you're in. Okay
transparency and accountability blockchain
would be the ultimate
technology for determining who owns what
Meaning who owns what share of stock?
Who owns the control of the united states federal reserve or the bank of england?
I'd love to know
Yeah, I think everyone would love to know okay, and the thing about blockchain is that you could use it to pierce the veil of things like
holding companies
and uh limited liability companies and shell companies
uh cutouts
You know front men
Uh, because it would allow you to ultimately determine who owns what?
uh on on
On a great on a granular level
um part of my uh amendment
Uh create something called a a concert group because one of the ways that
Uh, the oligarchs get around having people know who they are is they use things like black rock
mechanisms like black rock
where they're accumulating
the votes of a bunch of
individual people or
they're creating
uh jeffrey eppstein
uh inspired groups where you've got four or five different people who seem unrelated
Right who are all putting money in or controlling the board of directors of a certain company in order to move that company into a
A specific direction, so I call those things concert groups
These things are algorithmically trivial to be able to determine if
You've got if you're tracking all of the ownership stakes in all of the corporations and foundations
public and private
okay, if you're tracking all of that stuff with blockchain then
uh, then
insinuating uh coordination
Becomes a really kind of trivial programmatic
uh
Problem to solve
Yeah, it's it's not very hard. Okay. Um, it's really gonna happen peter this this thing
It's it's the same technology that you would use for amazon to determine
If you were looking at this product that you might like that product
Okay, it's it's called collaborative filtering
Okay, so if you apply collaborative filtering to insider trading, you're going to be able to find the insider traders like that
Okay
You can replace all you can replace all of those investigators at the security and exchange commission with an algorithm. Okay
um
So the second part is uh, the second part is, uh
Uh
What did I say I I I I I have the idea in my head an accountability
accountability
um, and so the idea is is that um, you could also put
The promises that politicians make on the blockchain
Okay, and uh, you could have a stochastic election stochastic is a just a uh
A computer term for random because it turns out that computers are actually really bad at doing random numbers
um, they they they they're so ordered
That randomness is anathema to them and they have a problem. So you have so, uh
They're there are companies that like do encryption keys and stuff and the way that they come up with the randomness is that they have a
A wall of lava lamps
Right and they've got a camera
They have cameras aimed at the lava lamps that are measuring the pixels and this is the way that they come up with random number generators is by
Uh, analyzing the the the the wax floating in the hot water. So so this is called stochastic
So there's a stochastic election and we can come up with the parameters for a stochastic election
but the the thing about um, uh politicians is that if you give them a calendar like a
uh
A um
The way that we do it in the united states is that we have a election every four years or every two years
The way that you do it in the uk is that uh, if the government can't come to a decision
Then the prime minister can have an election
Um in in my frame, you'd have a stochastic election series where people would be only asked one question
Which is did the prom did the?
uh, politicians should keep their promise or no
um, and
Uh, I I propose an incredibly draconian
solution that's based on something that uh, palmer lucky who's somebody that i've met and talked to before
I think his picture
Uh came up with which is uh, he came up with a vr helmet that has uh three explosive charges in it
So if you get killed in a video game, you actually get killed in real life
So I was thinking well, um, isn't that the appropriate crown because again in my semiotic analysis
You've got the the the crown of the king of england charles. What does that crown mean?
right
Well in the inside it's got a fridging cap
the inside of the
Of the crown is a cap and it's a fridging cap and again this goes back to the cults
the the finnish and cults okay fridges actually in anatolia anatolia is
um
You know next to the levant
And so you've got uh, and and by the way, I think that a fridging cap which is the the
It's the french cap and the french revolution
It's on the seal of the senate of the united states of america and the seal of the united states army
it's on the seals of uh
Dozens of american states and dozens of countries
And so you've got this fridging cap. I I think that the fridging cap is is is a foreskin
I think it is the
Okay, okay, which takes us back to the old testament. Why are they always?
Circumcising people like, you know, what what is that all about right? What is castration all about?
What is circumcision all about but anyway, you've got these fridging caps right so
The the king so crowns royal crowns european crowns have a fridging cap inside a golden cage
What does that represent? Well the golden cage is the oligarchy
right because
what
King james II that the stewards believed that they served in under the divine right of kings
They believed that it was god's will that they were royal that they were kings, right?
after the
glorious revolution
um the uh the monarchy
uh became subject to the oligarchy and that the the king serves at the pleasure of the oligarchy and so
um the
The fridging cap represents liberty. What does liberty mean? Liberty means freedom that's been bestowed on you
Okay, it's been if you ask 99 of americans
I don't know about great britain
But if you ask 99 of americans what the difference between the word liberty and the word freedom is
They can't tell you the difference between the word
They don't know the difference between the word when I started studying this
I didn't know the difference between liberty and freedom
Liberty is freedom that someone bestows on you if you are a slave owner
And you free your slave you give them this cap
And the cap says this person's a free person
They've been bestowed their freedom by the empire. Okay, so charles has a fridging cap
Okay
In his crown and then it's got a golden cage on it. That's what the rest of the crown is. This is peter duke's interpretation
All right, so what does that mean? It means that charles serves at the
Uh at the pleasure of the crown corporation, which is a city of lending corporation that was put together by livery companies
Um, I think it's interesting that the first livery company is called the the mercers
And that some of the biggest influences in american elections lately have been the mercers
Um
They they were certainly taking taking care of breitbart for a while
um
Um, and so again words words have meanings. They mean things, right?
and so um
And so the the crown is actually
Uh a fridging cap inside a golden cage
So this is a perfect metaphor for the way that the windsors
Uh their position in in great britain
they are
Uh, they are freed slaves who serve at the liberty their their liberty has been bestowed on them by the oligarchy that is the
city of lending crown corporation
um
That's kind of my jaded one-sided bias
Take at it. Yeah
I'll buy that for for dollar. I mean
Or a pound or a pound. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's
In for a penny in for a pound, right?
Yeah, um
There was a line
Dispiriting and at the same time
kind of right and true and actually
sort of, um
Makes you more based I think where you say in your analysis of um
In your sort of run up to your piece about epistemology and and and christ teaching
You say that the two questions
People who are awake
tend to ask is
Where can like
Where can I go? Where can I go and how can I save my stuff? Yeah? Yeah, and
And jesus, you know somebody came to jesus and asked the same question and he said give away all your stuff
And and that's why I kind of look at my uh my losing all my stuff in the palisades fire is a blessing
Because I I I kind of had it done for me, you know, I got rid all of my stuff disappeared
Uh, and then I had to deal with uh life on that on those terms
I mean, obviously I had insurance so I could you know make up for that, but um those are the two questions and
um, and I don't think that there is
Any place that you can go? I mean my wife and I have gone through all of this like we drove around to different states and we
we went to arizona nevada and and and we were looking at different places that we could live we have many friends who
moved to uh
Nashville, uh, we have
Friends who are considering moving to cordilline, Idaho. I have a friend in cordilline, Idaho says don't move here
It isn't you're not you're not really running
And it isn't because she doesn't want them to move there because it's locals only it's that um, if you think that
You're going to get away from it. Yeah by moving here, uh, then then that's not going to happen
I need to close my blinds. Hang on one second. Oh, yeah, I was looking at that
Yeah
I was comparing the quality of the light
The light in california at at 8 a.m. Or whatever time it is there now
Yeah, and and in north hamptonshire
in
Are we they've allowed us to have some blue skies today, which is
They give us these occasional treatlets, you know, yes, we're not going to give you cam trail
Fog today you're going to get some blue
Just show you what you what you're missing most of the time
Well, I'm I'm living next to a navy base now
Which is very strange for me because there's all this military action that goes on all the time
There's hawker hunters from the 1950s that fly over my house all the time. I have no idea why
I
Think the good thing about living you're living next to a naval base is when it all kicks off
You're going to be
You're going to have sort of people who might be able to
I don't know
I think you're right. I I I want to believe that I want to believe that I had one
One
catastrophic
Without being hyperbolic one catastrophic event in my life already
I
Although it was funny because my wife and I we moved into so we're about 40 miles north of los angeles now
And we found this lovely little apartment and it's on the beach and we got a dog and he's walking around here someplace
and
We were we we had we had no furniture everything that we owned like fit in the truck
So we ordered a bunch of furniture, but it was going to take a few days to get here
So we got an air mattress and so we're living in this apartment. We've got no furniture and we're sleeping on an air mattress
and
Uh, and we get a tsunami warning
Yeah, but you can float off on the air mattress, right? Right exactly. That was the right piece of furniture to happen
Yeah, exactly. But uh, it was it was funny because uh, one of my my
when
When the palisades fire happened, um, I I lived in the I lived in the sandmonic mountains my whole life
And I was not expecting that the los angeles fire department would stand down and not show up because but that's exactly what happened
Okay, so regardless of whether or not I think it was arson
There there are very very few people who think that it's arson
But I think that it was arson. I think it was arson on january 1st. I think it was arson on january 7th
uh, uh, both times
And I I lay out in several articles on my website exactly why I think that happened
But for for the for this story, I didn't I I basically ignored all the evacuation warnings
And I was working on a video
I shot video of the fire of the superscoopers the canadian superscoopers that were coming in and I was working on the video
And it wasn't until about five o'clock that I went outside and looked around and everybody was gone
And noticed that there were no fire trucks
There was no fire engines in my neighborhood none zero
And I thought
That's not good
Yeah
That that's not good
You know and at that point that's when I thought okay. We better get the hell out of here
um, and so, uh
Uh, the nice thing I like about where I live now is that I that the when something happens the fire trucks show up
We take that for granted
We you know, it's something that I took for granted my entire life that when there's a fire the fire department comes
Well, because we've been trained to there was a character called fireman sam
a children's children on children's tv and fireman sam
Goes and rescues
Cats stuck in trees and when your house burns down he comes in
Right the fire department goes up. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, and and you know, there were hundreds of fire trucks there
But they were most of them were being platooned down on on the pacific coast highway in the beach parking lots
Uh, and they weren't fighting the fires
um
And there's all kinds of stories about why that happened. I don't think it really matters at this point
What the story is? I I think that it was planned
Uh, it was planned it again like gaza
was planned
Uh, there's no you can't look at gaza and say they didn't plan to do this
No, they they I think their story bored it, don't they
They storyboard it and then they they make the movie
Well, not only is story they wore game it
They yeah, you know, they they again, I was a rand kid my mom worked at rand and I grew up playing these games
Um, you know, which is another kind of thread of things that I I work on
It's funny, uh, I wrote a whole series of articles, uh about mark brunette
and game theory because
again
Random happenstance jeff probst was I was watching survivor one night jeff probst was talking about how survivor is based on
john nash's non cooperative game theory
um, and then I was uh, I I spent a week with a good friend of mine, matthew crawford at this, uh
friend of ours house in
in nevada, and we were talking about game theory and we were talking about
uh
Two television shows in particular survivor
Uh, which is in its almost 50th season or something now
um, and the apprentice which are both
Uh mark brunette shows mark brunette is
British military
These bridges is the military
Yeah, yeah, he's born in london served in the falcons
uh moved to
Uh, los angeles and the story about him is that he was a nanny in beverly hills
Yes, and then he was selling t-shirts on venice boardwalk
And then he became a showrunner on the biggest show on television
It's it it's it. It's an interesting, uh, it's an interesting, uh trajectory. Yeah, it is
It is so
But the but these shows are based on non cooperative game theory
Is that the same by the way is is game theory different from non cooperative game theory?
It was different for that john von neumann came up with the original, uh game theory, right?
Uh, which came up with things like uh prisoners dilemma. Yeah, and things like that. It's something that uh, the rand corporation
Uh specialized in and that's why my
Uh indoctrination when I was 10 or 11 years old by a rand mathematician who lived next door to me
Uh by happenstance
Uh was inch. I was introduced to all of this kind of uh, uh, it's basically it's abstract thinking what you're doing is you're
Taking real life
Situations and you're figuring out what the rules would be
And what the pieces would be for creating an abstraction of this real world event so that you can play it
So you can see what the different results would be
Um, uh, so that's the essence of game theory is that how do you take?
Real life situations and then put them into a a framework that would allow you to test it
Right. It's all about testing the situation. And so john nash and again peter duke's
first
uh
I can't remember which leading one of my leading indicators on epistemological warfare is that if you've got
um, uh
Trans media saturation on a particular idea. It means that it's important to the oligarchy. Okay, so
um
John nash's non cooperative game theory got made into a movie with russell crow and jennifer connelly by
by uh ron howard and brian grazier
ron howard always gets the kind of the
I mean, he's considered a reliable set of hands to to make a peter burger peter burg too
I there's a few of them out there who are
Tapped, you know, yeah, um, and I used to know peter burg
I used to hang out with peter burg back in the day when he was an when he was an actor
um, but uh, the idea is is that um,
uh
Why do they make a movie about non cooperative game theory if non cooperative game theory isn't an important
concept for them
Uh, why do they use non cooperative game theory to create the two biggest television shows in history?
A survivor in the apprentice
If it isn't really important to them and then you have to understand then you have to ask yourself the question
Well, why do they do that? And so I've written
articles on why I thought that
survivor was important because survivor basically shows you
What can happen in an ultimate?
uh, democracy because the
The winner of that game is determined by um, a republic of the failed
You know of the people who who who didn't make it to the end, right?
and uh
The apprentice is just a model for an ideal
uh, courtesy arvin styled totalitarian dictatorship
um
And and and and so my trump
Right and it right headed by trump who accidentally
Who's also in the who's also in the world wrestling federation, uh hall of fame for something called k-fabe
um
Which led me
Which led me to a different kind of game because I was in the game business for a while
I worked for steven spielberg at a place called the
sega game works
And then I tried to stay involved in kind of the leading edge of I wasn't really interested in the day-to-day
kind of game stuff, but I was really interested in the um
Cutting edge and there was this kind of game that was called a uh alternate reality game
that uh, was kind of big in the late uh
1990s and it occurred to me that
What's going on?
Uh in the new cycle right now specifically what made me start thinking about it was charlie the charlie kerkmurder
is that uh
An alternate reality game is where you create something called a rabbit hole
in the real world
Right, and then you start dripping out
Um information in in this game theory. It's called they're called tix
um as a way to control
uh audience engagement
And the thing is about the tix is that they don't
Uh, no one they're they're so complicated and kind of broad scope
That one person cannot solve the problem by themselves
They need a bunch of other people to to solve the problems
And so if you start to take a look at the the charlie kerk event
in total
Like not just the kanda sowing's part not just the e and carol part not just the
Cache patel part not you know, if you take the whole thing in total
Okay, it looks like an alternate reality game to me
It looks like something and and and the best way to kind of think about that would be like the truman show
There's the character that uh ed harris plays who's kind of like the director of the show
um, and it is it feels to me like the charlie kerk
Murder is an arc. It's an alternate reality game that's being played and that doesn't mean that real people don't get killed
Um, but it doesn't mean that they did either
No, it doesn't either, you know
No
And and the purpose so obviously that whole narrative was something that was very important for them to put out
Yes, and so then and again the epistemological frame on that is okay
Well, what is the benefit of the charlie kerk murder story? Yeah, right?
um
You because you could spend the rest of your life people have spent their entire lives trying to figure out who killed jfk
Right, they have right
So people can do that with charlie kerk
But the important part is
What what does the charlie kerk murder story create?
What are what are the circumstances that are different after charlie kerk is murdered than
before charlie kerk was murdered?
um
On a kind of meta level. Yeah
And the answer is that the short answer
Well, I mean, I do think that I do think that the people who think that he was um
an existential
threat to the narrative of
uh, the narrative control that was required in order to
facilitate
the completion of
the
Mid-east plan which was to take syria and then in iran
Wesley clark famously said that they had plans in
2000 to take all seven of those countries that
Obviously that that that was going to go forward charlie kerk was a problem
uh
Because he was going to create enough
Public sentiment that it would become very difficult for them to get away with it. I think it's still I mean, I think that trump was
Polling at something like 17 percent approval last week
Oh, right
you know, uh, uh, so
uh
If charlie kerk was still alive, it would probably be a three percent
Right, but how how do you accommodate me into this particular schemata because I I think he's still alive
And I think it was the whole thing was fake. Oh, well, that's fine. It doesn't matter
Yeah, he may be out sitting on a yeah, but but maybe sitting on a beach in matagascar
Do you mean that he was there as a warning to people to question the narrative or you know
You say these things you're going to die or what?
Because surely surely if if the idea of of the assassination was to
Well, the alleged assassination was to derail opposition to
Uh, the plans to kind of take iran and syria and so on
um
Surely would have already inflamed that particular base and made the more determined than ever to
You know the martin charlie and his
I you know that I think that a lot of times these things are tests
So for example, um, and I didn't come up with this idea somebody on the internet came up with it
It resonated with me that co vid was a was not really
Uh, well, they they talk about goal stacking when the oligarchs do these things when they execute something like like, uh
Like co vid, uh, they have multiple goals that they have
That they want to try to test right? Uh, um, and so
Uh, the one of the things that I think that they were trying to test primarily was
what is the
Uh, loyalty of the infrastructure of the uh leadership infrastructure that they have in place globally
So famously there were a bunch of presidents of uh, african countries. Yeah, like a fully
Don't rest his soul. What a what a hero I
I want before before I die. I want to see a
statue erected to john maga fuli in
Whatever the capital of of right holding a
Holding a cornucopia and a swab, right? Yeah, exactly and uh
Yeah, and uh, and then what was it a guava?
Yeah, a guava and a swab, right? I think so. Yeah
Yeah, again, but he was using he was using logos and crisis and prowess and and agape
Right, he applied those things and uh, and he got crucified for it
um
but uh
But what wound up happening? Uh, so I think that I think that co vid was a test of of of leadership and I think that
The charlie kirk assassination. I think the fake butler assassination
Uh, a lot of people don't uh, remember this but um, koby bryant died right before kovat started
Or did he um, yeah
Yeah, we see the one in the in the helicopter in the helicopter, right?
And and if you follow michael hoffman, there's this ritual that they have which is the which is killing the king
Arguably, uh, koby bryant was the king of basketball
Right at the point that he died
So um, so koby bryant and and the and the helicopter pilot was iranian
uh, so
That that always
Felt very, uh ritualistic to me like I and in fact and in fact, I was friends with olly alexander at the time who was
I'm still friends with him. I just haven't talked to him in a while. Um, and uh
Uh, when I found out and koby died within a couple of miles before I lived again
I live in this uh interesting part of the world and uh
I called ali and I said something big is about to happen
And he said he said why is that and I said because this feels like a ritual sacrifice to me
and within
Within a couple of weeks, uh kovat started
Is this the occult book collector guy that it was a different? Uh
No, this is uh
No, that that's pat moise. You know, this is uh olly alexander was the guy who wreck who organized stop the steal
um
Uh, but I'm there's a there's a writer that I who I follow
I've I've read practically everything that he's written. He's got a great substack. His name is michael hoffman
Yeah, um, and he wrote a book, uh, 20 years ago called secret societies and psychological warfare
um
and uh, and he talks about uh and
His mentor was a guy named james shelby downard
Uh, and they wrote a book together called king kill 33
Uh, and this is where uh, shall james shelby downard was talking about like how these rituals work
You know, what's the blocking and tackling? What is it that these people actually do?
um, and so killing a king like killing john f kennedy
Uh, it turns out that there's going going back to goal stacking. There's a lot of different reasons why you killed john f kennedy
It's not just one reason. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I I I get that
Yeah, so that's why they call it camelot so that they could make him king arthur
Yeah, well, it's funny because you're saying that you're mentioning camelot because one of the rabbit holes that i've been going down
the last couple of weeks and i'm going to talk to uh
Mrs. Heritage history later
And maybe this will come up
Is that a great deal of british history has just been erased
um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
There's a huge amount of it. That's just been erased. Well, there's there's there's there's the wilson and blackit books
wilson and blackit with these welsh amity historians
Yeah, who realized that there were two king arthers two real king arthers
Right, or maybe more than that. I think it might have been a whole
Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah, what do we call wilson and
wilson and black it
Okay
And they one of them died in a mysterious fire. I mean they were they were that they were inconvenient to the as happens
It happens doesn't it it already does
Yeah, i'm done. I'm not an original researcher. I'm done. I'm just a kind of
I flutter around like some
I was like, well, yeah, you know, I I don't think that doing the research is dangerous. I think becoming popular after the research
Becoming popularizing your research becomes the dangerous part
well
I'm grateful to them because they they so
They so constrain my traffic that i'm never in any danger of of reaching more than a
fraction of my potential audience
Ditto
it's just like
It's kind of Tarsam, but I suppose it's slightly less Tarsam than being killed
I mean, yeah, exactly. And I'm and I'm guessing that if you know how substack has all of those
Stats that they give you for how popular your article is might always do this and then they go
Meanwhile that annoying person who writes these
Clickbait, yeah, well, it's sort of informed jaunty clickbait like like lots of
Here's an inch. Here's a subject that might interest you based on my and you think oh
Yeah, you're you're nice, but you're from normie world and you're not you're not really dealing with any things that matter
You're just talking
You're just defining their power at dime
Right. Well to me to me it all boils down to the definition between knowing and thinking there's lots of people who like to collect
ideas like
A seed catalog in I guess in in britain you call them bus spotters, right or train spotters
Yeah, people who who who collect stuff?
And want to be the expert in that stuff, right?
As opposed to
You know critical inquiry like I I look at you know jumping back to christianity for a second
I look at that process of
Taking logos putting it on the cross of discernment
Practicing prowess and in the direction of agape when you complete all of that you're christened
But what has happened?
What has happened is that your old belief has died
And become resurrected and reborn as a new belief something that you believed before the process started
Isn't there and has been replaced by something else after the process is complete
Well, this is an ongoing thing. This doesn't happen once. This is a a mindset, you know, yes
Which which is a nominalization. I probably shouldn't call it a mindset
I probably I should probably call it a mind
Mindset isn't is a nominalization. It's a it's a process, right?
That we use in order to be able to constantly grow and make
Become more perfect, you know the the constitution is framed as a more perfect union and what jesus is
Is is is giving you the handbook to do is to become a more perfect person
Did you
No reason why you should but I did I did this
podcast the other day with sir eskenor
who
Who rather bummed me out by laying this
Really bad trip version of jesus on me
So I mean I had him on the podcast because sir eskenor is is clearly
He's he's properly red pilled or indeed black pilled and he sees through all the conspiracies and stuff
But he was saying he started off the podcast by saying well
um
I think it's even worse than you think. I think that what people like you and me and you peter are doing
it's we we do we do it because
They find it useful that we do this stuff
They want us to do this stuff and it's all part of the transition from the kind of the world of satan to the world
Sort of the the luciferian backlash, which is going to be the false light of the
So we're meant to be putting all this horror stuff out there about
about adrenaline chrome and
I I think I think he's partially correct
But part of the reason that I do write
My you know, it's my motivation for writing the uh linguist or christianity
Thing and it's also my motivation for putting it into as many different
Um, uh formats as I can so for people who read I write it for people who listen
I do a podcast for people who want to watch a video. I try to make a video. Um, and so, uh
The reason I do that is because to his point
If the only thing that you're doing is um, and I'm sorry my dog is
Dropping a ball at my feet. Well, that's good. Well, I'm trying to talk about he's good loyal well trained dog. That's good
Yes, quickly. Good boy. Good boy. Good boy. Stop it. Anyway, um
the uh, uh, the point that I was trying to make is that uh, I
People have accused me of being blackpilled
Uh, because I'm figuring all of these things out, but the uh, or I think I think I'm figuring these things out
um, and the and the issue is what do you do about it, right to your to
Your other guests, uh concern and I think that that's uh, uh, part and parcel
I think that part of the reason that I've really tried to figure out how to
Uh, communicate my christian epistemology message in the in the format that I have
Is because there is uh, there is good news
Okay, the good news is that the only thing that is required in order to
overturn the oligarchic control on the planet is to understand that we're in an epistemological war
And that jesus gave us tools for overcoming the epistemological war
Okay, and we all have it in us. The kingdom of god is in us. Okay. They can't take it away from us
Okay, they can't take
They can't take our ability to use logos crisis prowess and agape
They can't take that away from us. We all have it. Okay. The only thing that we need in order to be able to
Uh, utilize it is to realize that we do have it
And this is like the lesson of the the wizard of oz when dorthy at the end of the wizard of oz
The the the wizard says you've always had it all you have to do is click your heels three times and say there's no
place like home
Okay, that's the truth
That that's that we all have the ability to do this
But we have to be able to wake up
To that idea, you know, the I guess buddha means to wake up, right?
um
I haven't researched that but somebody told me once that buddhism is to to be awakened, right?
um
Yeah, drop an enormous subject in at the end of the podcast
Yeah, and that I don't know that that I that honestly, I don't know a lot about yeah
I I have practiced zen though. I read zen in the bar book zen in the art of archery and I actually used that as a handbook to
Uh quash my ego at one point. I won't die. Did it work?
Yeah, it was great. It's great. I I didn't use archery though. I used I I used a batting cage
Uh, so have you ever read harrigal? Uh zen in the art of archery?
It's a short book. It's a very short book
Basically, he was a german philosopher and he went to japan to learn how to practice zen
And zen is about uh is about uh controlling your own ego
um and uh and the idea is is that there is a perfect way to do the t ceremony
There is a perfect way to arrange flowers. There is a
Perfect way to shoot a bow and arrow and that um, uh, it's about
Uh understanding that there's a method
Uh, and that by quashing your ego, uh, you can get closer to that method
So in it's it's it's similar to christianity in that it's about perfection of the self
um the
I differ from the
Eschaton from the telos of the eastern religions because I believe that
Eastern religions are ultimately about the destruction of the self and christianity is about the perfection of the self
That's a nice distinction
I get that from I I didn't make that up. Uh, it comes from a philosopher named wolf gank smith
Who it it breaks my heart to find out that I lived within a few miles of him for the last 20 years of his life
And he just passed away a couple of years ago and I didn't really discover him until a couple of years ago
I've had um the problems with with with potential podcast guests. They they they die on me before I can get to them
Yeah, anyway, but but but smiths studied he studied the Vedas, uh for most of his life and uh, his wife was a catholic
And he came to the ultimate conclusion that eastern religions are about the destruction of the self the metaphor that they use is that
You you uh, your your consciousness, uh
melds with the one the same way that a drop of water fall goes into the ocean
Um, which is kind of antithetical to christianity and it is what I think makes christianity a unique worldview
Um
In that it really is about the perfection of the self. It's it's not about the destruction of the self
Yeah
To what end?
Yes
I think that's the question that is the question isn't it that is that
All right, maybe I think that's how we start the next podcast
Right, yeah
And that's a good way to end this one because yeah, exactly. Um, well, thank you. Thank you pin. That's great
I'm looking forward to my cappuccino. Um as my reward for a podcast
Well, well well done. I've enjoyed this very much. Well, thank you very much for asking me such
such thoughtful questions and I appreciate
The time and the energy that you put into figuring stuff out and I'm looking forward to doing it again
It'll be fun. Um, just remind people well, we can find you
right, um, uh, the Duke report, uh, if you go to the Duke report.com
It will take you to my substack, which is uh, which is the Duke report dot substack.com
And that's where I publish my articles
And then I I I have a collection of books. So in my research adventures
I have, uh, I've got
Almost 900 books now on a website called duke report books dot com
where you can find 1500 word summaries of, uh, 800
Or 900 of the most important books that I think that you could
Take a look at if you're trying to actually figure out what's really going on for
Many of the books I have half an hour podcasts. So if you just scroll to the bottom of the book page
You'll find a
podcast that I create using a google application called notebook lm
for, uh
Almost for over 300 of the books I've created
Six to eight minute video
Explainers and these are all at duke report books.com. You can also find links to find the books
Many of the books are out of print
And many of the books are difficult to find and so I provide links
For how you can find every different version of those books
So, uh, those are the two main places that you can interact with me and I I try to do a podcast once a week
um, and uh
All of the links to all of those things you can find at duke report
I think you're definitely going to go to heaven for all your all your work, pity
You've done some, you know, you're doing the lord's work. I would say
Well, well, thank you. Thank you very much. I it's my intent to be of service. So yeah, that's great
Um, everyone obviously you've enjoyed this podcast. How could you not? Um, so do those of you support me
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Those of you who are enjoying my stuff and want to support me
You're basically doing it because you like what I do and you will feel better about yourself
You get my stuff for free. Anyway, I'm not going to weedle and and
just like grovel and
Come up with catchy slogans like I know some people do and they and they've worked out all these methods to
Part you and your money. No, you don't have to do it at all
You're only doing it because you like me and you like what I do
That's that's the only reason you don't have to but those of you do I really appreciate it. Thank you
I value your content. Oh, thank you. What you support me. I'm I'm I'm touched. I'm touched
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