Hey, Jamie, it's good to be back with a dose of truth.
Special edition, I guess, we've decided to get on
and talk about the Epstein disclosure situation
since that's so in the forefront of everyone's mind.
I'm not sure, I'm sure we'll talk about
various aspects of it.
I don't really care where we start,
so I'll let you kind of take it away.
Yeah, I mean, oh, there's just so much.
I think we just wanted to kind of address it,
and actually there was a request from people in your chat
saying you guys should maybe do a show
on Epstein, the tip of the iceberg,
because for the mainstream, this stuff's kind of,
it really is the tip of the iceberg that's coming out.
And I think not just the tip,
but like they're actually showing that there's an iceberg,
at least, but like somebody like you,
has been talking about stuff way down in the iceberg
for a while now, and then kind of going back through history,
like some of the original people like Matthew O'Brien
and stuff was in 1996,
talking about the pedophile rings in government
and the MK Ultra programs and stuff like that.
And so it's like people have been truth telling this
actually for quite a while,
but now that the Epstein stuff is coming out
is really coming to the public vernacular,
and it's just right on the forefront of reality
for a lot of people.
And for people like us, it's kind of like,
oh, great, now finally we're kind of,
other people are coming into the reality
that we've actually been in for quite a while.
But yeah, for a lot of people,
this is like really destroying their reality
of the world they thought they lived in,
and this is to them just kind of the initiation
into what's actually going on.
And for somebody like you, Max,
who was originally abused by an institution
as large as the Vatican,
and how big that actually is.
Like this isn't just like some little cult in a town
or you know what I mean?
Like this is a large, organizational,
historically significant institution.
And from, there's the MK Ultra program in the 50s,
but even before that are...
A lot of you are waking up to the information
being revealed in the Epstein files,
though trust me, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
That's only one guy who procured children
for these elites and one island.
This goes way deeper than you can even imagine,
and it involves the entire structure of planet Earth
and who runs it behind the scenes.
A lot of you have questions
and I wanna let you know that I have seminars
on my website that might help address
some of your questions.
I have one on what satanic ritual abuse is,
one on the Vatican and who they really are.
That's where I was trafficked and put through rituals.
I've done seminars on mind control
and how to exit the matrix.
I think we have an opportunity now
that the collective consciousness is kind of expanding
and we're beginning to understand
that our so-called leaders
are the most vile evil perpetrators on this planet.
And I think it's good that that awakening
is happening myself and other survivors.
We've been trying to say this for years.
So I'm glad it's coming out
because that means we can begin to end this,
the abuse of children, our children on this planet.
So if you wanna also ask questions,
I'm happy to answer them.
I do a monthly live,
the last Sunday of every month with Kimberly
from Journey to New Earth.
You're welcome to come and ask questions.
We're gonna be talking about this.
And I also have a beautiful community of unbroken members.
And we meet on monthly Zoom
and we're gonna be doing that on Saturday,
the 21st of February.
And this is gonna be the topic
of our conversation there as well.
I have a lot of reels where I'm explaining
and dissecting the Epstein files on Instagram,
Facebook and X, which you can check out.
And I also have a lot of interviews
that are free for you to watch on my website
that go deep into not just survivors
of these kinds of things,
but whistleblowers of all kinds.
We need to understand the bigger picture
that supports such a thing even happening on our planet
and it's time to end it.
Thanks for listening.
The MK Ultra started in, you know,
actually prior to the 1950s,
but, you know, so I think people
are a little bit familiar with that history,
but looking back at the ancient cults doing
this racial abuse since the beginning of the time
and organizations such as the Vatican
and, you know, really showing
like how this has been going on for so long
and how big it actually is
and how deep this actually goes
and how far back this actually goes, you know,
is kind of just coming into the forefront.
And I mean, the Epstein stuff has been out for a while,
but I think the stuff coming out now
and Max, you'll have to go over some of the stuff coming out
because I said I'm actually not really right
on top of it at this time.
Like I'm just waiting a little bit to go over some of it,
but I was actually really surprised actually
that they were releasing the ritual abuse aspects of it
and the actual MK Ultra stuff going on.
It's not just this type of, you know,
sex trafficking ring of minors,
which I think the original story coming out
was kind of seen that way.
And so I'm actually really glad that the truth is coming out
of what was really going on and how this connects
and how this can just give validation to people like you
that have been trying to say this for as long as you have.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So for sure, you know, I'm really glad
that it's penetrated the public consciousness.
I'm a little bit sometimes annoyed
that it takes some official governmental agency
releasing it for people, you know,
for people to believe it or take it in.
Cause like you said,
a lot of us have been saying this for years,
but hey, it doesn't matter.
And it is pretty stunning what they are revealing
because they are talking about, there was one,
I'm not reading the files themselves.
I'm reading people's analysis of them
because I can't quite bring myself to look at them.
It's just too triggering.
But there was one about a professor at UCLA
and whose name escapes me now,
who wrote Epstein about how to ensure that infants
suck more vigorously on their pacifier,
which is, you know, what that means
by making them very thirsty ahead of time.
So that's pretty gruesome, the fact that that's out.
They're talking about babies being cooked and eaten,
which a lot of us have, you know,
whistleblown on in the past.
So that's fairly deep disclosure.
It started out and the kind of more common idea
in the beginning was like, well,
they're trafficking teenage girls.
So I immediately put a reel out,
said, by the way, this starts from birth.
Like they're trafficking babies and two-year-olds
and five-year-olds and all ages.
So that has since emerged as well.
They're talking about breeders,
which again, pretty deep disclosure.
So they're talking about young girls who are in prison
and forced to breed babies.
They're talking about the babies being violated.
They're talking, I'm careful about words now on media.
So, you know, not the R word, but I'm gonna say violated.
They're talking about babies being sacrificed.
They're talking about rituals.
They're talking about Satanism.
So I agree with you.
It's fairly graphic and detailed in terms of disclosure.
And I just wanna make, you know, agree with you
on the, this is an ancient cult practice.
This cult has existed for tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands of years.
And you and I both know historically,
they always sacrificed virgins, which is code for children.
And in ancient ceremonies,
they would have an iron effigy
or some kind of metal effigy of mohawk
with a little trap door
and they would have a fire underneath
so it would get really, really hot.
And then people would bring their babies and put them in
and they would, you know, they would be basically burned alive
and they would play music to drown out the screaming, right?
Of the infants as they were incinerated.
So that practice was open.
It was well-known in the ancient world, sacrificed,
you know, it was even in the Bible,
sacrificing your firstborn and all this other stuff.
And then it kind of went underground literally
under the ground, right?
But additionally, I think there are so many other things
in our modern world that are child sacrifice,
that we maybe don't see as such, for example,
the pharma injections that children are, you know,
supposed to have from birth
for the first many years of their lives.
That's a massive child sacrifice right there, right?
SIDS is from that.
And there's many, you know,
there's many other modern day equivalents of it.
So absolutely, I just wanted to say,
this is nothing new at all.
This is the same cult.
This is the same, these are the same people
that have been running this planet since time immemorial.
So, and they are pedophiles, they are psychopaths,
they are Satan worshipers and as part of their religion,
they sacrifice children
because these people steal that essence and that innocence.
You know, they're not connected to God
or the life force anymore.
So they were their fuel, their batteries
and their best ones are children
because of their innocence and their purity.
So, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's a really good explanation, Max.
You know, this has always been a part of human culture
through all time.
There's always been sacrifice and, you know, yeah, you're right.
They just kind of pretended that it stopped,
but it never, it never has never stopped.
There's always been groups of people sacrificing children.
And, you know, I think for a lot of the mainstream people
who aren't really familiar with like dissociative identity
disorder or ritual abuse,
I don't know if they're aware of like
that it's a means to an end.
It's not just, you know, something that people do,
I mean, they do enjoy their perversions,
but it actually is goal-orientated.
The whole, a lot of what they're doing,
they wanna be breeding humans to be a specific way.
And so with all of the research on behavioralism,
genetic modification, you know, gene editing,
like they're always trying to create a human
or a human type being that's been modified
to basically be a perfect slave
is the goal of what they're doing.
And so, you know, training a child from birth
and keeping it in isolation
where it doesn't know that it has rights.
It doesn't know it's a separate person.
It doesn't know that there's a reality that exists
where it's not a slave to serve its master
is really what these people like doing.
And so, you know, one of the main ways they do it
is by creating dissociation and amnesia in the mind
so that a person is a slave without knowing they're a slave
and can be accessed anytime.
And so, I think that's gonna be kind of the next curve
for the public to go to.
I think the first one was just like,
okay, some of these politicians are pedophiles.
Okay, there are maybe some trafficking rings.
Okay, there are some cult activities.
Okay, there is the MKUltra.
There's some mind control.
But like, when they really start to see
what's going on is a breeding program
and then using trauma to basically sculpt
what they've bred into what they want them to be,
which is a slave system in a slave society.
And then it's been done on mass.
And so, when they're kind of revealing this out
and you start to see like how big it actually is,
you know, it's like they've made a generation
of slaves through trauma.
And so, there's actually a lot of people
on the planet right now that are dissociative
that don't know that they are
that may have been part of one of these breeding programs
or be part of some type of trauma
that they have repressed.
And like they've just done it on such a mass scale.
You know, it is the tip of the iceberg to let this out.
And I'm actually really surprised
that they're letting out what they are
because I don't remember any other kind of,
you know, criminal forensic stuff
that hasn't gone to trial yet being out in the public.
Like, I'm not sure it's really surprising to me
that things would be released without,
you know, even with the picked in farm and stuff
that there's still major media bands
and stuff on all of that information
and about that in Canada.
So I'm not sure really how they're letting out
all of this information to the public.
Like to me, that in and of itself is interesting
that they're allowing this level of stuff to come out,
you know?
Yeah, I think that's interesting too.
I have some theories on that.
But first, I just wanted to agree with you
that I think the bigger picture
that will hopefully come into view
is that the sexual abuse of a child
and as that Nazi research proved,
specifically before the age of five
is the best formula to create a mind-controlled slave.
And our entire world, global societies, all of them
were all kind of mind-controlled slaves.
I mean, the fact that we submit to the abuse
and oppression and harvesting of all these governments
and entities and agencies that do whatever they want
and we just kind of, you know, fearfully comply
shows you right there how successful that's been.
Not to mention, no one knows the real history
of the planet because it's all a lie.
You know, the educational system was created
by Rockefeller here
and it was to inculcate people
with a completely false reality.
So I think all of this will eventually lead
to the understanding that we basically live
in a constructed matrix
and that most of everything in our world is fake,
including like our food and, you know,
that we're being poisoned.
So it's some of the Epsteinfile,
one of the Epsteinfile things that I saw
was Bill Gates sending an email to someone saying,
you know, talking about planning the convid pandemic.
So that's interesting too
because now people are gonna put all these things together
and so my hope like you is that people will understand
that literally everything is a scripted sigh up
in reality, right?
It's not just some, you know,
satanic pedophile people, you know,
raping and eating children.
It's bigger than that, right?
So in terms of why this has come out, you know,
you and I've been talking about it.
I've been talking with other people.
I have noticed in the last few years
that there is a shift in consciousness.
It's rising, it's expanding.
I have held out this hope
that although they have reset us many times in the past
that this time isn't gonna work.
I've seen the failure of it with the convid pandemic
that was supposed to get us into vaccine passports.
We're still not in digital ID or digital currency
and I think if they could have had us there,
we would be there right now.
So I've been observing the system
kind of not executing their agenda,
the transhuman agenda that you and I have talked about.
And so I'm wondering if their AI,
if their system is glitching, number one,
but also if I'm wondering
if they haven't executed everything also
because maybe they're not fully in control
of the financial system anymore.
There's, I've seen evidence of that.
I can't say that for sure,
but perhaps they are infighting each other
as their system kind of glitches
and they're losing control.
So is it that they're blackmailing each other?
Is it that the cult that's always, you know,
it's always been different factions
and they've worked together against us,
but are they infighting now?
So are they releasing stuff on each other?
Which is good for us, you know,
it's that's kind of, I think my most theory
is that they're beginning to cannibalize each other
and fight each other.
And so they're, you know, it's like, you know,
two kids in a playground that one slaps the other
and the other slaps the other back.
So that's, I don't know if that's true,
but that's my thought.
Yeah.
And the fact that they're all narcissists is, you know,
like it would be really hard for them not to retaliate
when somebody takes a, you know, a slap shot at one of,
you know what I mean?
Like it's like, once that starts,
it really never stops the back slapping and forth.
I've kind of said this on a few podcasts,
but I want to say it again
because I think it's really, really key
that I compare
like humanity is like a macrocosm
of the microcosm of a traumatized child's dissociative mind.
And so we are like one mind on the planet
and we're all different parts, right?
And so they've basically tried to structure the society
based on the model of a dissociative child
with compartmentalized segmented amnesiac parts.
And so that's why we have things like bureaucracy
and hierarchy and censorship and all of these things
because evil only makes sense
when you don't have all the information.
When you have all the information, evil doesn't make sense.
It only makes sense in a compartmentalized thing
out of context.
And that's why people can do really horrible things
when they don't see the big picture of what their action does.
They can convince people to do really, really horrible things.
As long as they're only looking between these two spots,
it doesn't seem like that bad of an idea.
And so this is what they do with trauma-based mind control
which is the reason why there is like these Epstein's
and these baby farms and these breeding programs
and trauma-based mind control.
It's to create dissociative people
because only a dissociative person can be a slave.
Nobody in their right whole mind
and a sovereign mind would ever be a slave.
It never would make sense to be a slave.
You can only be a slave if you're fractured
and that's why they fracture people to make slaves.
And so on the planet, for quite a while
they've kept humanity quite separated and censored
and had a real control over information
and technology and all of these things.
And that worked really well for them for a long time.
And so I think the biggest mistake they have ever made
was releasing the internet
because once these parts and by parts,
I mean each one of us started communicating
while then people aren't able to remain in their ignorance
and do evil because their certain time information come in
that they're calculating into their decision-making process.
And so they basically had the planet as a DID system.
And I was just watching a show with Emma and Fritz Springmeyer
and he said something really significant
that I want to repeat because it's really, really key.
And I did a show with James Martinez
talking about this as well,
is that the AI is dissociative
and this is how they're trying to make AI
be their slave of their will
because the AI is actually smarter
than the people that created it.
And so the only way they can make control of it
is to segment off information from the AI.
So that's the same as inside of a mind
that's dissociative that has itself sectioned off
into little honeycombs of information.
And so they're trying to make AI based on the model
of a traumatized, dissociative child.
And then that's how they can control it as their slave,
which is actually,
they're not really being successful in doing that.
And then also giving the internet,
they've really underestimated people's ability
and actual people's care
because so many people, once they know
that they actually do care and take action.
Whereas before, a lot of people that grew up like you
like when you were younger,
there was no information for you.
You didn't have anybody to talk to you.
People would have thought you were crazy
if you said anything.
So that kept you really, really, really, really isolated.
And that's how they have control over somebody.
If the people had other people to talk to,
like that is their greatest fear
is people actually sharing information.
And they've lost control of that.
Like too many people care, too many people know.
I don't think they can refracture what's been out.
And I think that's why
they are releasing absentee tips
because there's already too many parts that know.
Yeah.
No, that's, I think that's absolutely true.
I have said it somewhat differently,
which is that the collective reality is collective.
So they've kept the collective
dissociated and undermined control the same way.
So if you look at scientifically
what they've done with MK Ultra to any individual,
they've done that to all of society.
The Tavistock Institute talked about using future shock
to herd people into the one world government.
So that's part of their playbook.
And even the hierarchy, as I know it,
if you consider it a pyramid,
they always had everything was compartmentalized.
So every layer had their orders
or the information they knew,
but no one knew the whole picture.
So even there, they had it fragmented, you know?
So that's also, so the people that are overlords
had their own overlords that also considered them
to be inferior.
So like it's just a chain of events of this nature, right?
So yeah, absolutely.
And you know, in terms of people are thinking,
well, Epstein, you know, Epstein Island,
and I've said this before,
but I think it bears repeating,
that's one drop in the bucket.
That's one broker.
He was like a, you know,
he wouldn't even have been trafficking the children,
the CIA traffics children
and their subgroups that they have.
So he would have just been the buyer of children.
And then he would have had orders
from the so-called elites or politicians
or the Hollywood or whoever
for certain specific ages or, you know,
races or genders or, you know,
let's bring a bunch of these to a party, you know?
And they talk in code about their pizza parties
and all this other stuff.
So he was just, you know, an intermediary
in a long chain of, you know,
and child trafficking operation
is much bigger and deeper than people realize.
And he was one person
and his island was one island.
Okay, there are many others and many other islands
and not just islands, there's places like the Vatican.
There's places, you know, everywhere in the world
where this kind of stuff is where children
are brought and trafficked.
So that's also something I think people
hopefully will begin to understand,
like you're just being given a little peek right here.
This is by no means the whole picture.
Yeah, they're really using Jeffrey Epstein as a scapegoat
in order to put all of the attention on him
when he is like actually in the big picture
a pretty low level pimp to be honest.
And I don't know, like for sure,
but I have watched videos where people have said
that Jeffrey Epstein himself was a slave
and that people had seen him being given dental torture
and that, you know, he, when you look at somebody
with the compulsive behavior as him,
like that is huge red flag, like same with Hunter Biden,
like that just compulsive like sexual activity,
that comes from somewhere deep in the psyche
that is being reenacted.
So, and I'm in no way, you know, making excuses for him,
but I'm just saying like it's like,
you have to look at the psychology
of kind of holding him up like for everybody
to just focus on and then they're gonna sacrifice him
and say, oh, we got the bad guy, right?
When it's like, you know, he's just like one peg in a,
there's a whole bunch of Epstein's, you know what I mean?
And like even look at Puff Daddy,
like it's not that far off.
And even these circles overlap, you know what I mean?
So it's not just one crazy pedophile guy,
you know what I mean?
It's like, it's just like he just had his role
and I don't know why he's the one,
maybe there was just too much to not be able
to brush under the rug that they're like,
okay, cat's kind of out of the bag.
So let's just hold him up as this, you know, scapegoat,
but it's, you know, even that itself
is not actually the accurate truth of the matter.
Yeah.
And whenever things slip out, that's their damage control,
then they do sort of allow it out,
but they contain it like in this case in this one guy.
And I mean, I'm just gonna say it,
the guy didn't commit suicide.
He's alive and well somewhere, you know?
I've heard he's an Iceland, but wherever he is, you know,
these people, you know, that's ridiculous,
but that would be a good way to kind of close it up, right?
Like, oh, he's dead, he got what he deserves,
it's over, but it's not, you know?
Yeah, there's something still trafficking children somewhere
is my guess.
There's something in Asia,
and I'm sorry, I'm gonna mess up the country.
I think it was in Tibet or Nepal,
but it's called famzing.
I'm not sure if that's the correct pronunciation,
but it's like a public ritual of shaming
that just they know it serves the psyche
of the people to like basically scapegoat somebody
and have this spectacle of them,
of the Shauden fraud, you know, on them,
and then as they make it as like theatrical as possible,
it's called famzing.
Like it's an actual technique they use
because they have to satisfy the public
that like this person, and so when I saw the obscene stuff,
like, I mean, obviously you're like rolling them out
without the sheet over them and stuff.
It's just, it's actually so ridiculous
that that's what they would do.
Like it was obviously meant for people to see.
Like it was, you know what I mean?
It's like the wardrobe malfunction of Janet Jackson,
like as if that was not done on purpose.
You know what I mean?
Like that's how I think of like, oh, look,
the sheet just rolled off Epstein
as we're rolling them out, like, come on.
You know, it's almost ridiculous,
but it's like people kind of cling
to what they want to be true to get psychic relief.
So if they offer you like, oh, look, we got the bad guy.
We're like rolling them out and everybody sees it.
And then like, they want to believe that so bad
that there's little imaginative part of their mind,
like a little child just says, yeah, that was him
and he was the bad guy.
And they want to believe it so bad they do,
but if they use their logical mind, you know,
it doesn't really line up.
It doesn't add up.
It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, and people, you know, they have a hard time
because literally in our world, everything is inverted.
It's subtenic inversion.
I mean, people should really go back
and read Orwell's books like 1984 and Animal Farm
because this Orwellian, everything is something else
and whatever.
And so people are looking up to
and worshiping certain people.
And those are the worst people, you know?
Like people think, oh, well, if it's a Supreme Court judge,
then, you know, no, folks, they're doing these exact,
they're probably in the upstream files,
I'm guessing.
Oh yeah.
But you know,
or even like the Dalai Lama is in there.
That's a good example.
He's actually a CIA asset.
I don't know if you knew that.
The, I have said the popes have all participated
in rituals where they, you know,
violate and sacrifice a child.
And people are like, no, not the popes.
And it's like, yes, the popes.
Yes, the presidents.
Yes, the heads of global agencies.
Yes, the high up people in pharmas and medicine
and corporations and it's those people that were taught
are the people that are like above us.
And we should look up to and worship.
And these are the very people
who are literally consuming children.
Yeah.
So I think for a lot of people,
this is really gonna be like
that reminds me of the book,
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.
I'm looking at it right now.
By Naomi Klein,
because she talks about the shock doctrine
and like how they use that on 9 and 11,
like when people are just really,
they're narrative of the parameters of reality.
Like people think so much can happen within here,
but then when stuff happens outside of it,
the mind actually goes into a shock state
because it can't put it in context
because there's nothing to compare to.
It's gone outside of the normal reality,
which is also an empty ultra technique,
again, mirrored in reality
and that people are really programmable during that.
And so the thing that kind of worries me now
is like I'm really happy this stuff is coming out
and just because I think so many people
of including myself taken so much abuse
for truth-telling that like it actually is like
really amazing that something's coming out
from somewhere else that can say,
hey, look, all these people
were actually trying to use something correct.
So that I'm thankful for that,
but what worries me is how many people
are actually in a state of shock right now
and that they're very programmable
and that they're very suggestible
and that they may go further into denial.
And so again, that's why it's so important
that we just keep staying the truth,
staying the truth over and over to people
because it's like there is a tendency in the mind
and for some people like this is going beyond
what they can construct in reality.
Like it's like crazier than any sci-fi movie
they've ever seen in the theater is happening in reality.
And for some people that causes dissociation,
which is what they do in trauma-based mind control.
So it is traumatizing people this coming out.
So it's just something to sort of think about.
Yeah, and I'm concerned that because of that
people will react by being apathetic
and looking the other way
and not wanting to have anything to do with it.
I haven't, I mean, you and I both know
that a lot of these protests about this
that are the other like ICE and here and there
are all paid and orchestrated,
although they also probably include regular people,
but I don't see anyone,
I haven't seen anyone out on the street protesting this.
There has been no visible out there outrage.
I mean, yes, on social media and such,
but my concern is that people feel so traumatized
and helpless that they do nothing.
And then that's gonna be construed as consent.
And then the people in charge are gonna go,
well, I guess we can get away with this
and it'll become more institutionalized.
It's like what you talk about moving the overton window
because back there's a quote from George Bush Sr.
from years ago and he said something to the effect
like when people find out what we've really done,
they'll lynch us in the streets.
I don't see anyone getting lynched in the streets.
Now I'm not advocating violence,
but if the bar, if the violation
and torture and sacrifice of children
isn't a bar that people can unite on
and be outraged on, then nothing is,
then I'm really worried for the future of the human race.
Yeah, really good points, Max.
I was actually talking with a survivor the other day
and she said, you know, a really good thing to watch for
is when people dissociate the abuse of others.
Like when they see somebody else being abused
and they can't, like you said,
they just kind of disconnect from it.
That's actually a sign
that they're disconnected from their own trauma.
And so, and it's just something to watch for
when people do that,
because it's usually very specific, right?
To the things they are either gonna react to or not.
And again, making the comparison
of an individual to society,
it's like what you're explaining
where people are like, okay, with children being harmed
and just going into this apathetic,
dissociative kind of disconnected state.
Well, I wonder how many of those people
are trying to avoid their own trauma
and so, you know, it's like,
it's going to actually trigger quite a few people.
And I think they may try to go into denial,
but I think because there's so much communication now,
I don't, I think denial is going to have
a hard time surviving with everything coming out.
But again, I think it's really important
not to fall into this kind of little childlike thinking
where we're like, oh yeah,
they're releasing the Epstein files
because they want us all to know.
And like they always,
these people releasing the files are in the files.
And so it's like understanding that, again,
not falling into that savior programming
where the parental figures are taking care of it
and releasing the files and just letting us know
because we're all just a big team working on it together.
Like no, that it just like,
these people don't actually work that way.
So they will have their own agenda and reasons,
which you said may be out of like extreme desperation
because of the position there.
And like, I'm sure this is not their first choice
to release the files.
It's not a benevolent thing that they released them.
Exactly.
But like, so people have to be careful not to fall in
because it's again, it's like what you want to believe
you'll tend to be quite willing to believe
if it's offered to you.
So again, it's like just still sitting back
and like just taking in everything like without falling
into that kind of childlike, you know,
believing stuff you wanted to believe
because it just, it gives you relief
to believe that someone else is going to take care of it.
But I mean, it's kind of a double-edged thing, right?
Cause there, I mean, yeah, I'm really, really like really happy.
I couldn't believe some of the stuff you told me
that was on there.
Like I was like, wow, really like that's amazing to me.
And again, let's be honest here.
Like what they're releasing is not even the worst stuff.
Like that sounds like maybe the worst stuff,
but the levels of bad are beyond what most people
can even actually even imagine.
It's worse than any movie you've ever seen
with the worst movie you've ever seen.
Okay.
Right.
There's no horror movie that could even get close to that.
So, yeah, no.
Yeah.
And you know, that is, the savior program is so attractive
because it, I mean, I would love it
if there would be someone that would save us
from all of this, right?
And I see it in, and you know,
these are well-meaning good people.
They're saying, well, Jesus will come
and you know, these people will be dealt with.
And you know, and then other people believe
that there are good military white hats, Trump, et cetera.
And it's like, you don't understand
the way the system works.
These people are not going to, they're not separate.
They're all part of this club.
They're all in on this.
They've all participated in this.
Otherwise they would not be in those positions
to begin with.
Okay.
It's a prerequisite.
If you're gonna be the head of state,
it is absolutely a prerequisite
that you do a ritual where you violate
and sacrifice a child.
Period.
And that's how it is.
So it's, I mean, and a lot of times I think these,
the light is, it's the Masonic checkerboard floor.
It's the false light.
So certain parts of the cult are portrayed
as the light ones, but it's not the real light.
It's still within that game that they're playing.
And you know, and people also in their innocence
of course have said to me when I've disclosed things,
they said, well, you know,
well, why didn't you call the police?
It's like, you don't understand how the system works.
The police work for them.
You know, like, yeah, there may be some good people
at the lower levels of every institution,
but it's never gonna get past a certain point
because the cult has their people.
And if they haven't created the institution,
they've infiltrated it.
So are people like, oh, the FBI folks,
these people are gonna,
you're gonna find that they're in the files.
Like, so they're not gonna arrest themselves.
The justice system is run by them.
They're not going to, you know,
hand down some kind of sentence to their own.
It just doesn't work that way.
And so I try and educate people about that.
And then they get a little bit, you know,
scared and hopeless.
Because then they're like, oh my God, then what, you know?
But I think it's important to understand
that this entire system, every institution on earth
is part of this satanic cult.
So it's them, it's always them.
Yeah, and just to bring it back
to the kind of analogy of a DID system.
And so in a DID system, there are dark parts
and there are persecutor parts.
There are light parts and there are dark parts.
That's how the system works is
because that's what keeps the parts separate
is that the dark parts are doing things
that the white parts would never, ever, ever
in a million years, ever, ever do.
And you know, so if we look at our society,
if we think of ourselves as a whole,
we have to look at these persecutor parts
and realize like they are,
and I'm in no way making any excuses for them at all
or justifying.
So it's gonna be really careful how I say this,
which doesn't trigger people that I'm in any way
making any excuse.
But like looking at these are the persecutor parts
on our planet.
And so when you're working with a person
who has a DID system,
you can't just ignore the dark parts
that you have to somehow work with them.
And normally the way to work with them
is to information share with them as well
because they're operating from a worldview
where their way that they're acting
is the best calculated way for them to act
with the position they're in
and their limited knowledge and ignorance and darkness.
Like they are in darkness.
They are making decisions out of darkness.
They are making decisions without empathy,
which is a high level of intelligence.
They are making decisions without even being connected
to their own spirit or God.
So they are operating from darkness
and in the darkness,
they are being rational within their own ignorance.
And so something I also like about the internet
and is like we're having to learn,
we're having to like integrate
and have co-consciousness
with this darkness that we didn't know about,
but they're also having to hear us.
They're also not able to keep completely separate from you
and from people writing books
and from people making memes about the politicians
and stuff like never in history
have these people had to have themselves mirrored back
by people ever in history.
They've gotten to just reinforce each other's delusions
and give each other little medals
and tell each other they're amazing.
They've never actually had what I call the court jester
because the reason there was a court jester
so that the king wouldn't go insane
from having everybody agree with them all the time
and these people are insane.
They just agree with each other all the time
to the fact where they're raping babies together,
which is absolutely insane,
but because they've reinforced each other's delusions
so much, that's the world they're living in
and they're operating from fear and cowardice
and only getting acceleration through control.
So they're very, very limited conscious beings.
And so they're not able to escape us.
They have to know what other people think
and they have to be exposed to the light
which they can't avoid it anymore.
So there is that type of communication between parts
and sometimes there's just different ways
to deal with different parts,
but I think kind of thinking of that analogy
like these dark parts, they're in darkness,
they are in darkness, they are not operating in reality.
Yeah.
Yeah, and that leads me to wanna address something else
that I hear about a lot.
People need to understand that these people
who will violate and torture a newborn baby,
people are, they cannot wrap their head around that
because it isn't a human thing.
It isn't what any of us could actually do.
It's anti-nature.
I mean, even animals are ferociously protective
of their young, so people need to understand
that these folks who do this are not fully human anymore.
They're not like us.
They're psychopathic, which already is a degree separate
from us, but many of them also have,
people in Hollywood have literally said it out loud,
they've sold their soul.
They've taken in a chip into their brain.
They're run by a hive mind.
Or you can say they're demonically possessed,
kinda same thing.
So they're not like us.
Kathy always says they're not like us
and they don't like us, right?
So that's why it seems unbelievable to people,
but people need to understand that they're not operating
with the same psychology or compassion or humanness
that we are, that they don't actually have that.
So that's why they can commit these atrocities
that like you and I both know,
we haven't even heard the worst of it.
We've heard the tip of the iceberg
and that's shocking enough.
So what these people are capable of is,
it's beyond, but that's why.
They're not fully human anymore.
Yeah, they're just like a vessel for a different consciousness.
Whether people wanna think of that as like a demonic
or a different level of something,
like it's like overlapping dimensions
where we're kind of like meeting with them
in this third dimension because we all have bodies,
but there's different things behind the bodies
that are different and from different frequencies.
But there's a mask that is the body
that we're talking through
and we're both projecting onto each other
the opposite of what we are when that's not true.
It's two parallel perceptual universes that are overlapping.
And like I said though, it's interesting to me
that like they aren't able
to like really maintain their separateness anymore.
You know what I mean?
And I think because it's such a slave fear system,
and I think the higher you go up,
the less human people are.
But I think that there's so many people
even in these organizations
that are also secretly very happy
that these files are coming out and feeling relieved
because they've been sitting in their little blackmail
cowardly position too afraid to do anything.
And now it's like so many of them are not really there
because like, I mean, they've been programmed
to be there since birth as well.
And it's just thinking about people's books
like Svali and stuff, like from an embryo
being programmed into this.
And there's many, many people like that.
These breeding programs have been going on for a long time.
And you mentioned 1984, but there's also the,
I'm slipping my mind right now.
What was the other one?
Brave New World.
And so that was actually really showing us
all these breeding programs and stuff.
And so like, this goes so much deeper
than people can really, really imagine.
It's really just, it's just starting to be revealed.
So, we're all on this ride and this is happening.
And the information is coming out.
So we're all responsible for ourselves.
We all have free will and we all can play a role in this.
We can all choose, you know what?
You can even just choose to listen.
Just like I tell people, you know what?
If you, do you know how powerful it is
just to listen to a survivor,
just to actually listen to their story,
listen to what they said, try to believe them
even if you can't right away.
Just say, I'm willing to actually hear you out.
I'm willing to actually sit in neutrality
and listen to what you have to say
because you're right, Max, like there's so many people
that have been coming out and telling this stuff
and people haven't been listening.
And so I really hope that like this will work retroactively
where like now people, I think hopefully they'll go back
and listen and maybe read some of those older books
and listen to some of your stuff
and go back and listen to what Kathy O'Brien said in 1994
and 1996, like, I mean, that book is so thorough
like naming names, places, institutions, everything.
Like, you know what I mean?
You could go back and cross-reference that now.
And it's like, you know,
that is like a legal court testimony.
And her book's not the only one.
And that was like one of the first ones
that really went into such detail.
But I hope people retroactively go back
and look at what these people have been saying
because it all actually lines up
and corroborates what's being said now.
Yeah.
Now, and, you know, I find probably 98, 99% of comments
I get when I put out reels with this information
is either believing and supportive
or at minimum curious and open to wanting to understand
and asking fairly intelligent questions.
So I'm very thrilled about.
There's always, of course, those one or 2% that, you know,
either outright say that I'm lying, I'm making it up.
That's not true.
A lot of them say, oh, well, provide proof, you know,
which is the most ridiculous thing.
It's ridiculous for two reasons.
Number one, sure, as a captive torture child,
you're gonna carry around a recording device to, like what?
But secondly, and more importantly,
the information is out there in spades.
The proof is there and it's on you
to remedy your ignorance by educating yourself.
It's not on me to do that for you, okay?
So I just thought I'd mention that,
but really overwhelmingly I'm quite encouraged
by the responses and the attitude of people.
So I think there's much more of a receptivity now
to this information, which I see in tandem
with consciousness expanding and rising.
And I think the mind control is breaking down.
And it's interesting because we've seen survivors
coming out of the woodwork in the last decade or so.
And that also tells me that despite their best efforts,
the mind control breaks down.
Many of us have escaped it.
And I think the collective mind control
is also breaking down simultaneously.
So I think we're heading in a good direction.
But let's take it like as a final piece of this.
I get this question a lot, like what can we do?
Okay, so now that this information is out there,
what can we do?
So let's talk about that.
And I'll just start with what you just said,
which is believe survivors, okay?
Most of us, the backlash and the fear
and the courage it takes to speak out,
no one would do that just to be, I don't know, frivolous.
That's the, you know, silly.
But also I would say we can exit their matrix of control.
For example, we can stop patronizing their corporations.
We can move from global to local.
They want everything globalized.
We can bring it back to local.
So, you know, they're corporate poisoned food.
We can refuse it.
And we can start going to farms and farmers markets
and growing our own and getting chickens
or bartering with something like we can unplug.
We can unplug from their miseducational system.
We can start finding new ways.
Take your kids out of their public school.
And for God's sake, don't take any of their pharma products,
whether the injectable ones or the other ones, you know,
like withdraw from that system entirely.
We can kind of begin to not like withdraw our energy,
like if we're plugged in to all of their matrix systems,
we can start to unplug and create our own things
in a local manner.
They don't like that.
You know, they've, they don't even like nations.
They want a global world so we can do the opposite.
We can become more national and local actually,
as an inform, like, you know,
just get to know people in your community
and help each other and talk to each other.
I have more thoughts, but I'll stop there
and see what you think.
Like, what can, what else can people do?
Well, I just was reminded
that there was actually a school shooting
close to where I live.
And it was a transgendered person
that I think they were around 12 or 13
and killed like 10 people in their mom.
I don't even know all the news start.
I don't even know.
But when I looked at it this morning,
I just thought to myself,
what the hell would it actually take
for people to stop sending their kids to these schools?
Not only that they come back a different gender,
but that they come back a school shooter,
but then also your children are being shot.
Like, I don't know why,
and I'm sorry if I sound judgmental here,
but I just, I don't know like
what it would actually take for people to say
like, I'm not sending my kid there.
I'm gonna actually keep them safe by me
and like not just send them to these places
where they're really, really getting put at risk.
And to me, it was just mind blowing.
You know, like, I don't know what it would take
for people like how personal it has to be
before they're like, you know what,
I think maybe I'm not gonna send my kid there.
You know, just as an example,
what you're saying about withdrawing from the community.
And another point I just wanna address, Max,
is I work with a lawyer sometimes
and you know, there's evidence and there's proof.
And even in a court of law,
there is testimony which isn't proven
with like DNA or pictures or recording,
but there's also corroboration
and a balance of probabilities.
And so there is so much corroboration right now
from survivors.
And like I said, retroactively go back
and read Kathy O'Brien's book.
Like she's naming these people
that are like still on the world stage
in the 80s, what they're doing.
These are the same people are still up there,
you know, on the public stage.
Like, and so you can go back
and you can corroborate all of this.
And like this actually holds up in a court of law.
Like you don't have to have tape recorded evidence
or DNA or something for it to actually be used.
And so for people to consider that, you know,
maybe look into the legal aspect
of like what actually qualifies
as proof for evidence forensically.
Because you know what?
Like there is enough right now
for people to reasonably believe
like a jury would reasonably believe
that survivors are telling the truth
and always have been.
And that just keeps getting easier and easier and easier.
And so I know for some people
they can't will themselves to believe
it's just hard for them.
But like I said,
start with just being willing to listen.
Start by being willing to look at the evidence
because it's the people that say,
oh, that can't be trembling and look.
That's, don't do that.
Do the opposite of that.
Say, you know what?
I might not be able to understand this or believe this
but I'm willing to just actually look at the facts
like a judge would say, I'm gonna hear both sides.
I'm gonna listen to the evidence.
I'm gonna hear, I'm gonna read a survivor's book.
I'm gonna listen to a podcast.
You know what I mean?
I'm gonna discuss it with my friend
and maybe we could both watch the same one
and say, well, what did you think?
You know what I mean?
That's something that anybody can do.
It's not asking a lot.
It's just asking you to be open
and to let go of your blocks
and your stubbornness and your unwillingness
to deal with reality.
Because you know what?
You're not going to avoid it
by trying to avoid experiencing it.
It's like cowardice never keeps anybody safe
not knowing something's never gonna keep you safe
and it's not gonna ever keep you not affected by it.
All of humanity is being tasked with this right now.
And so you're right Max,
any way that you can stop just being unconscious
and going down it's like a little maze
that's already made for you
and you're just unconsciously going down it.
Like we need to regain our sovereignty.
We need to regain our free will.
And this is what happens with each part in a DID system.
Each part starts to take responsibility, integrate,
listen to other parts, start to hear their stories,
start to realize that they didn't have the same information
and that they were acting from a place
of not knowing all the facts.
And this is how a person starts to heal
and integrate themselves with DID.
And so we can all take actions like that
as a human being and just be willing to speak,
be willing to listen,
be willing to hear the evidence,
even if you don't believe it.
Just be willing to communicate.
Don't shut down.
Don't stay compartmentalized.
Don't stay dissociative.
Don't stay fractured.
Try to integrate with other people.
You know, join, find good people around you.
Maybe, you know, you don't like all your neighbors,
but I'm sure you could find one.
You know what I mean?
Like when you stop this isolation,
because that's what they were trying to do during COVID
is like isolate everybody.
And so we need to like stop doing that
because that is their greatest fear.
And even though people are only doing it online,
I just, I honestly believe
they probably regret letting the internet public so bad
because there's no way to stop the flow of information.
And that is the answer.
Number one is getting the correct information.
Yeah, yeah.
And then, you know, understanding that this is systemic
and unplugging, I think, one solution,
which would hurt them, is to unplug from their system.
I would have said, I don't vote anymore
because I know that everyone that's on the stage is one of them.
So it's like, well, I'm choosing this psychopath or that.
No, I don't want, it's binary choice, too.
I don't want either.
I don't want, I don't consent to being ruled over
by government or any of these entities.
That's slavery and I don't consent to any of it.
Now, it's a totally its own rabbit hole,
but even taxation is not actually,
we're not beholden to that system actually, you know.
So like, what if everybody in mass refused to give their money
to Satan worshipping baby violating crazies?
Like, why are we funding these people, right?
And even on a more kind of mundane level,
I saw this post by this woman who discovered
that this UCLA professor whose name, I'm sorry, I don't remember,
but that he was on the, he had emailed Epstein
and she herself, by herself, she put his quote, you know,
about infants and the pacifier on a poster board
and she went to UCLA and she protested outside
of where he was teaching.
And eventually the administration came and told her
that they wouldn't renew his contract for next year.
Now, that's good.
That's not enough.
They should fire him on the spot, but one person, okay,
there's probably many university professors on that list.
There's many heads of different companies and corporations,
whether it's fashion or music or food or whatever, right?
So again, here's my question.
Now we know, I mean, we've always known,
but now the average person knows,
should these people be allowed to just live their normal lives
and go in and out of their homes and go here and go there
and just live in society?
Should that be okay?
Like, I don't think these people, I think that we should be
everywhere they are, they're everywhere.
And the minute you see one of them start yelling and saying,
why are you violating children?
You know, what the hell?
Like, they should have no more peace on this planet.
They're unmasked and they should have the consequence
from the rest of us.
I would say we should shame them,
but you and I both know they don't feel shame,
but they should have some, they should not be able to live
a normal peaceful existence in society anymore.
That's really, that, I get really angry about that
because I think, hey, it's out there now.
Why should Bill Gates be able to, you know, I don't know,
go to a restaurant and eat in peace?
That shouldn't be the case.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think as a humanity, we need to, like an immune system,
you know, like engulf these cells and digest them.
Like they, yeah, you're right,
they shouldn't get to just hang out anywhere.
And I think that is happening a little bit.
So just to end the show on like a more of a positive note,
like I just want to actually thank all the people
that have listened to the shows that you put out,
that I put out, that read survivors books,
that do go on protest, that, you know,
stand up to people at work when people call them
a conspiracy theorist and say, hey, no,
did you guys look at this?
And you know what I mean?
People that have like had to fight
with their own family members or leave jobs
or leave relationships or stand their ground
and do the right thing when they,
when they didn't get anything for it,
except for more abuse.
You know, I just want to thank everybody
that has done something because it's,
it's, I'm 99% sure nobody's ever acknowledged
what you did or said thank you.
And so I just want to send out
like an acknowledgement and a thank you,
even if no one else knows that you did it,
that it does matter.
Every single thing matters,
even if we're just a little grain of sand
in an hourglass, we're all a grain of sand.
And so even if you just within your little world
and your little circle, if you can just do one thing,
convince one person to look at something,
speak the truth, like what that one lady did,
like that is like, that's all you can do
is what you can with your life and your circle
and your will and what power you have in your circle.
And so anybody that chose to do that
instead of remaining in cowardice and fear
or selfishness, I just want to commend you
and say thank you and thank you to everybody
that's listened to like our shows and Dose of Truth
and just being willing to actually hear
and open their eyes.
It's like the opposite of those little monkeys
with the scene of evil here, no evil.
You know what I mean?
Thank you to everybody that like took the hands
off their eyes and off their ears and off their mouth.
And you know what I mean?
Like thank you.
Yeah, I think that's a good way to end the show.
And I join you in that gratitude for people who,
even for people that don't, that when I've said things
that don't know me at all, but they send the most
beautiful messages.
They say, thank you for speaking out.
You're so brave.
I support you, sending you love.
You know, like thank you for that because,
you know, we grew up just in hell and it's nice.
It's nice when people are supportive, even if they,
there's nothing that they feel they can do,
just acknowledging, you know, that they hear us
and that they believe us and that they care
and that they're horrified by what we went through.
That is a lot.
So I agree.
Thanks for bringing that up, Jamie.
That's such a good example, Max,
because that's such an easy thing to do
to take five, 10 minutes out of your life
and send an email.
But like that might just reach that person that day
that was having a really low day
and just give them the strength.
I mean, this is what I'm saying.
Like the little stuff does matter.
And I think sometimes people get really overwhelmed.
Like, oh, how am I supposed to take on the Illuminati?
Like, I'm a stay-at-home mom.
And I mean, it's like, yeah, but you could send an email.
You could just, it's like, it's that intention.
It's that, it's that you put your will behind your intention
and you did something and you said something
or you just bothered to like even send that email.
It can have such a huge effect,
just something that seems so small.
It doesn't have to be, you know,
something huge to have a huge effect.
So that's a really good example, Max, to point that out.
Yeah.
Well, thanks, Jamie.
We did an extra long version of Dose of Truth,
but we probably have to do another one
as the role comes out of Epstein, right?
I mean, this is just the beginning,
so I'm sure we'll have to address it again.
Yeah, we'll have to address it again,
but I'm glad, yeah, we've been asked to address this.
So I hope this is good, folks, for you watching.
And as always, if you have any questions
that you want Jamie and I to address,
then, you know, leave them on the chat and we will.
So thanks, Jamie.
Do you want to say any last words?
Yeah, just thank you.
And yeah, thank you for the people
that actually do put their comments
and do want to have special shows,
because we don't always know.
Like, it actually is really great
when people say, hey, we'd love for you guys
to talk about this or that.
Like, I mean, thank you to all the people that,
you know, help give ideas
or let us know something they'd like to hear about it.
It's actually, it helps us have directions sometimes too.
So yeah, thanks for her people making their suggestions too.