WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.360 Dave's specific argument is as we talked about, 00:02.840 --> 00:06.280 lesser of two evils, let's get a tiny W instead of nothing. 00:06.620 --> 00:09.960 And my God, why doesn't anybody address his argument? 00:10.120 --> 00:11.320 Nobody's addressing that argument 00:11.320 --> 00:13.280 because for the most part I think most people agree 00:13.280 --> 00:15.600 that Trump is marginally better than Kamala. 00:15.840 --> 00:18.240 Socialist light is better than communism. 00:18.660 --> 00:21.100 Okay, the problem is that we're making 00:21.100 --> 00:25.440 entirely separate arguments that destroy the validity 00:25.780 --> 00:28.320 or justification for a libertarian, 00:28.320 --> 00:31.420 a principled libertarian voting for somebody like Trump. 00:32.220 --> 00:34.360 And those arguments are what's going unaddressed. 00:34.520 --> 00:36.120 I've been making them for a decade. 00:36.440 --> 00:38.780 His argument is just sort of inconsequential. 00:39.040 --> 00:39.960 So what is the argument? 00:40.300 --> 00:42.160 No libertarian would disagree with me when I say 00:42.630 --> 00:44.280 that we are culpable for the effects 00:44.280 --> 00:46.140 of our actions as libertarians. 00:46.420 --> 00:47.940 If we break our neighbor's window, 00:48.320 --> 00:49.800 we owe our neighbor a new window. 00:49.920 --> 00:52.160 We don't get to take actions 00:52.160 --> 00:54.860 that have actual real world repercussions 00:55.580 --> 00:58.400 and not be at least partially responsible 00:58.400 --> 00:59.860 for the effects of those actions. 01:00.160 --> 01:01.460 So when we talk about voting, 01:02.000 --> 01:04.840 we're talking about taking positive human action 01:04.840 --> 01:05.700 towards an end. 01:05.860 --> 01:08.220 Now, there's a lot of libertarians and anarchist people 01:08.220 --> 01:10.380 that think voting is actually ineffectual, 01:10.500 --> 01:11.900 that it actually does nothing, 01:12.020 --> 01:15.300 that it's a big stage show put on to make people 01:15.300 --> 01:17.580 just merely think that they're actually having control 01:17.580 --> 01:18.580 over something, but they're not. 01:19.160 --> 01:22.260 We're not talking to those people here today. 01:22.540 --> 01:23.820 That's a different group of people. 01:23.820 --> 01:26.420 Why would one vote if they really thought 01:26.420 --> 01:27.080 that it did nothing? 01:27.440 --> 01:28.140 Okay, fine. 01:28.340 --> 01:30.180 I mean, and there's arguments to be made there, 01:30.220 --> 01:33.080 but that's not really who we're talking about here today. 01:33.160 --> 01:34.280 We're talking to people that vote 01:34.280 --> 01:36.060 because they think it'll make a difference. 01:36.240 --> 01:37.880 They're voting, they're taking their human action 01:37.880 --> 01:41.080 because they want Trump to win government coercive power. 01:41.540 --> 01:46.120 So if you think voting has an effect in the real world 01:46.120 --> 01:48.460 and you're putting your positive human action 01:48.460 --> 01:50.560 behind that effect, 01:51.320 --> 01:54.140 you have to be at least co-culpable 01:54.720 --> 01:59.360 for some of the effects of that action. 01:59.600 --> 02:03.880 The reason why a principled libertarian cannot vote 02:04.280 --> 02:06.660 for somebody like Donald Trump or Kamala 02:07.280 --> 02:09.900 is because these are evil coercive people 02:10.400 --> 02:15.460 that have real life body counts of innocent people, 02:15.520 --> 02:18.380 including children under their name. 02:18.820 --> 02:22.060 The last time Trump was given the coercive guns 02:22.060 --> 02:24.880 of the government, he murdered somewhere in between 02:24.880 --> 02:26.640 and this is what they'll admit to, 02:27.320 --> 02:31.260 a thousand innocent people on the lowest end. 02:31.440 --> 02:32.440 That's what they admit to. 02:32.820 --> 02:36.500 The reputable estimates of what his actual body count was 02:36.500 --> 02:40.580 was closer to 3,000, with some estimates going to 10,000. 02:40.920 --> 02:42.860 Innocent people, including children. 02:43.640 --> 02:47.120 No one with even a passing whiff 02:47.120 --> 02:49.220 of what libertarian principle means 02:50.080 --> 02:52.640 could co-sign that motherfucker 02:53.240 --> 02:55.420 getting the government gun back in his hand. 02:56.360 --> 02:59.320 I don't give a shit what teeny tiny Ws 02:59.320 --> 03:00.920 you think you can extract 03:00.920 --> 03:04.900 from this terrible, disgusting political game of thrones. 03:05.320 --> 03:06.060 It doesn't matter. 03:06.360 --> 03:11.340 A principled libertarian cannot co-sign murder of children 03:11.880 --> 03:15.660 and you can, I mean, is there anyone here 03:15.660 --> 03:18.120 that would argue with me when I say 03:18.120 --> 03:20.020 that there's more bodies coming 03:20.020 --> 03:21.960 in the next four years behind Trump? 03:22.400 --> 03:24.720 Whose name is gonna be co-signed on those bodies? 03:25.700 --> 03:28.700 The people that supported him getting that gun again. 03:29.240 --> 03:31.640 Obviously, it's not rocket science. 03:32.380 --> 03:34.560 This is, and so, okay, so now we go 03:34.560 --> 03:37.240 to the Spooner vote bullet defense, 03:37.600 --> 03:40.360 which a lot of libertarians are familiar with 03:40.360 --> 03:43.540 and I was persuaded by, for a time as well. 03:43.540 --> 03:46.440 For brevity's sake, I won't go into the whole thing here 03:46.440 --> 03:48.240 and I'm happy to talk to anybody about it 03:48.240 --> 03:49.140 any time in the future. 03:50.280 --> 03:52.460 Voting for an R or a D, 03:53.040 --> 03:56.280 and I'm gonna say like a non-NAP compliant candidate, 03:56.960 --> 03:59.400 voting for a non-NAP compliant candidate 03:59.400 --> 04:02.320 is not an analogy for a vote bullet. 04:02.540 --> 04:04.420 It's an analogy for a vote grenade. 04:05.500 --> 04:08.140 You pull that pin and you roll that motherfucker 04:08.140 --> 04:10.520 into the room and you don't just fire 04:10.520 --> 04:12.140 your little vote bullet specifically 04:12.140 --> 04:14.540 at the other people, specifically firing 04:14.540 --> 04:16.960 their tiny vote bullets back at specifically you. 04:17.780 --> 04:20.700 You are trying to coerce everyone, 04:21.380 --> 04:24.200 everyone in the room that is the United States, 04:24.420 --> 04:26.060 whether or not they voted at all. 04:26.620 --> 04:29.800 They didn't fire, not everybody fired vote bullets at you. 04:29.920 --> 04:32.340 You don't get to fire vote bullets at them 04:32.680 --> 04:34.260 and be a principled libertarian. 04:34.400 --> 04:36.680 You don't get to create new innocent victims 04:36.680 --> 04:40.120 with your vote bullet and think that you're the good guy. 04:40.120 --> 04:44.440 And that's completely ignoring the piles and piles of bodies 04:44.440 --> 04:47.780 and coercion that the US government exacts 04:47.780 --> 04:49.320 across the world for people 04:49.320 --> 04:52.360 that don't even have the ability to fire vote bullets. 04:52.920 --> 04:55.040 The R and the D vote bullets 04:55.040 --> 04:56.240 are not bullets, they're grenades. 04:56.580 --> 04:59.680 They hurt everyone, everyone throwing bombs at everyone 04:59.680 --> 05:02.400 and the whole building falls on all of us 05:02.400 --> 05:03.960 and kills the neighbor's children. 05:04.480 --> 05:06.240 They would say like, okay, 05:06.320 --> 05:08.600 but don't we have some kind of a responsibility 05:08.600 --> 05:10.960 to throw the smallest grenade possible? 05:11.320 --> 05:13.640 I mean, like I can throw a nuclear bomb in there 05:13.640 --> 05:15.040 or a frag grenade. 05:15.240 --> 05:17.000 And so like, isn't the right thing to do 05:17.000 --> 05:19.180 just to throw the frag grenade into the building, Patrick? 05:19.740 --> 05:22.760 That has nothing to do that is completely detached 05:22.760 --> 05:25.080 from any kind of libertarian non-aggression principle. 05:25.340 --> 05:26.720 It's a non-aggression principle, 05:26.920 --> 05:28.400 not a less aggression principle. 05:29.300 --> 05:32.660 Not only the aggression you personally feel is beneficial 05:32.660 --> 05:34.860 in a tiny W over the other, you know, 05:34.900 --> 05:36.700 bigger L aggression principle. 05:37.200 --> 05:38.600 It's the non-aggression principle. 05:38.860 --> 05:41.620 It irritates me because it's so goddamn predictable. 05:41.780 --> 05:42.700 Excuse my language. 05:43.320 --> 05:46.960 The Mises Caucus, they cleaned the commies out of the party 05:46.960 --> 05:50.680 by saying we're going to bring libertarian principle 05:50.680 --> 05:52.460 to the libertarian party 05:52.460 --> 05:55.560 and as soon as they win power, as soon as they get influence, 05:56.080 --> 05:57.720 all of that shit goes out the window 05:57.720 --> 06:00.660 and it's right back to the same kind of pragmatistic 06:00.660 --> 06:03.000 bullshit arguments that I dealt with 06:03.000 --> 06:05.020 with the commies for year after year. 06:05.720 --> 06:09.020 So the argument that he proposes is the argument 06:09.020 --> 06:12.520 is which of these evils do we want to go with? 06:12.620 --> 06:13.680 Which L do we want to take? 06:13.780 --> 06:15.160 Which tiny dub can we extract? 06:15.920 --> 06:17.500 The actual reality of the situation 06:17.500 --> 06:18.540 is that there's three choices. 06:19.060 --> 06:22.300 You can pick this evil and co-sign it 06:22.300 --> 06:23.940 and put your name and reputation 06:23.940 --> 06:25.840 and libertarian party reputation 06:25.840 --> 06:28.820 and your co-culpability behind. 06:29.200 --> 06:30.900 You can do that with this other evil 06:31.440 --> 06:33.560 or you can not co-sign any evil 06:33.560 --> 06:35.320 and be an actual libertarian. 06:36.080 --> 06:37.740 Like that is the option. 06:39.720 --> 06:42.500 You don't have to co-sign evil at all. 06:43.380 --> 06:44.820 You can be against it all.