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and welcome to Beth of Fresh Air. It is December 12, 2025. Sometimes it's fun to say the date just

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to ground myself a little bit. And I have had a kind of crazy day. Friends of mine got married.

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I wanted to make sure and send a huge shout out to Justin Billingtono and Melissa Martin who

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tied the knot today. I was invited to their Zoom wedding and oh my goodness I got the

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time zone wrong. I can't believe I did that. I showed up after it was all done. I'm like,

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where are all the people? They're like, we're done. They're like, oh darn it. It really sucked.

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But I'm excited to be here today and I have a special guest, Dagmar Stansova is going to be

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joining me to talk about natural health cults. I am a broken record on this one. It's been

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such an awakening. And so we're going to go through a lot of what we've been through. We've

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been through the trenches you might say for many years and searching and Dagmar and I both

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found your liver path which we're going to talk about definitely. Can't miss that.

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And I think, let's see, I just do have a few announcements. Things coming up. Next week I'm

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hosting Kelsey Kenney. So if any of you are familiar with her in the love your liver world,

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then she's going to come on on the 18th, 3 p.m. central time to talk about brain and breath

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food. So I'm pretty excited because she always holds back with her molecular biology knowledge

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and I'm just going to tell her to go wild. And let's see what else do we have coming up on

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Monday. I'm being interviewed by Joel Schaefer. So I'm not sure exactly when that's going to come

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out, but I'm super excited. The interview yesterday with Joel was for me like outstanding,

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really power packed. It was all I could do to just hang on every single word because it was

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so profound and deep. And I really love that. Coming up in the house of free will this week

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we have two meetings. One is for love your liver. That's actually tomorrow. So if you're

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not already a member of the house of free will, then it's not too late to send me an application.

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And you can find a link in the show notes below. So we're going to meet tomorrow to talk love

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your liver. And then there is on the 22nd another round table in law where we're getting down.

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Similar theme coming up. Actually on the 22nd, I also have Alex Michael on for a King Hero

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interview, who is the music conspiracy guru guy. If you haven't heard his music or come

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across him, I'm sure you have. I am really, really stoked for that because he's just awesome.

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I love his music. I've been using his music. So Feggio recordings to write to it's really good.

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Speaking of writing, I'm going to bring Dagmar on without further ado.

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Hello, Dagmar. Welcome. Hello, Beth. Oh my gosh, it's so good to be back here.

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Nice to see you. Nice to have you here. And I'm just going to grab our

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little menu there. And I just want to say how much I love your your intro music.

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Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's off of one of my recordings that I think you have.

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I have a feeling just the whole ambiance of it just feels like it got me kind of grounded

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and and you know, in a good space. That's awesome. I'm so glad. Yeah, it has the same

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effect for me to have a whole minute of like, okay, all right, just land. Yeah. And hello,

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Maya, I'm glad you're here. Hello. Hello. She says that's all I love to say.

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Really good. And Lisa, nice to see you again. Thanks for doing this. You needed a breath

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of fresh air. There you go. Well, you're in exactly the right place for that.

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And so have you been doing Dagmar, writing crazy? Yes, writing, painting the house,

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not painting paintings, and just doing a lot of manual labor. I'm so excited, though,

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that you're going to have Kelsey and you're going to like invite her to let her hair down and

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share all kinds of cool stuff, just like Kelsey unabridged.

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Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're both members of the Love Your Liver Forum,

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and we attend her office hours. And every time she goes like really deep on the biochemistry,

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she apologizes for that. And I'm like, no, no, we want that. We want that stuff. Bring it on.

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And she just has such a beautiful manner of presenting it. You know,

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chemistry never sounded so good when it's coming through her. And it feels like,

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oh, this is, I don't know, she does something for me.

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Oh, and there was Mr. Thor at the door. Welcome. And he's on two platforms. Well done. That's

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awesome. There's YouTube now, by the way, streams both a vertical and a horizontal thing.

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So I've noticed they actually create two recordings, kind of like a split personality

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going on. So that's all right. You might be on one of those. And I'm glad you're here.

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Nearly happy holidays to y'all. I'm actually having a Christmas party today, later on,

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and just after this, we're going to get together with my farm people and eat loathing food.

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That sound for Christmas. Very ho, ho, ho. Yeah, exactly.

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All right. Well, oh, natural health. It's heavy.

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What a subject. I mean, like, there's just so many ways to enter this one, you know,

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and because you've been through it all, I've been through so much. I mean,

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especially the last two and a half decades, you know, for, I mean, it really,

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it really bloomed in Los Angeles. That's where I was for most of that time.

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And it was just like one thing after another. And unfortunately, I didn't know Dr. Garrett Smith then

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would have saved me a lot of money and a lot of self poisoning in the name of health.

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But I guess I took the long route, you know, I had to go one by one, as I'm sure you did.

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I mean, and I gave it full like a year, you know, I would try something for a year,

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not just for a week or two. You know, I really went to see what effect it would have.

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And, but it's still so hard to connect the dots, you know, because the propaganda or the,

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I don't know if it's propaganda, I think people are well meaning, you know,

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they think that this is the only answer. So sometimes I don't think it's the conspiracy.

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You know, I don't necessarily think everything is a crazy scythe. But, you know, well intention,

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we're looking for food, people, you know, we're always looking for ways to nourish ourselves.

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And we've gotten so far away from, you know, actually providing our food and being connected

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to it that people just really get into anything exotic that comes around. And if they have a

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good spokesperson, you know, someone like David Wolf, what a great spokesperson at the time.

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And it really worked well when he was young, because a lot of these people are really young.

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So they always look damn good, you know, and you go, oh my God, you know, if I eat a gigantic

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bowl of greens and tomatoes and every day I'm going to look like her.

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And that's the misleading part, as with like right now we have with the methylene blue,

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you know, you have all these young, what do you call those people who are influencers, influencers,

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you know, and they're young. So no matter how, what crappy shit you do to yourself,

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you'll probably still look fine. Exactly. I was just going to go back to a point that

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the commitment side is a big part of it. And what I noticed, and this goes along with

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the comment about the youth, is that there's a lot of playing at natural health, like it's a game.

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And you don't play at something unless you have the luxury to do that. And who has the luxury

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to do that is people who have not yet accumulated a whole lifetime of toxicities,

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right? So they can take weird remedies and weird drugs and, you know, go on these

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VAD diets and not necessarily suffer in that exact time, they're probably setting up future

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suffering or pretty much a guarantee. And yeah, so I decided this year that I'll never take

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health advice from a young person again. No offense, young people, you know, I love you,

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you're awesome. But you don't hold the credibility that someone who's really been through things a

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lot could have. And you know, shout out to Garrett Smith because he's not, I mean, he's not an

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old guy, but he's not a spring chicken either. And he's, you know, he's got experience,

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he was worked with people for many, many years. And when he discovered the

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wayward nature of the information that he was bringing innocently, right? Like, this is a

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very good point that you made that the hardest part of exposing the natural health scam cult

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is that most people have good intentions, right? They actually want to help you,

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they want to help themselves, they want to be healthy, they've got the right idea behind things.

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But in practical reality, they don't understand how weaponized it is against us.

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Yeah, I mean, just even the thing that slowly, like I was looking at the progression of things

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that I did over the years, you know, and I marked the ones that really had an impact.

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And I saw that really I started to have an understanding and impact when I was willing to

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open my mind to the possibility that plant foods have a lot of, you know, you put them in the

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toxicology books, you know, that there's a lot of natural poisons, which, you know, as we talked

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in Love Your Liver, that it's the duration paradox, that in the beginning, you feel great

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because that poison is shutting down your bile and your detox, and so you feel amazing.

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But then it starts to go downhill, but then you're already in a mental state where you're

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going to deny it, you're going to say, no, no, I just need more of it. Or a practitioner will

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tell you, you know, that, oh, no, it's just you haven't taken enough, or you've only been

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taking this much, you know, of some Chinese herb or hydrogen water or, oh my gosh, I mean, or chlorella

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or spirulina or whatever, you know, is the fad du jour or chocolate, you know, it's medicinal.

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It's all medicine, it's plant medicine, you know, that umbrella, that word is now like,

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it's like back to the land, plant medicine. We're all natural people, we need our ayahuasca.

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Yeah, exactly. And we'll take this a little bit one at a time as well, just to

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be more like a little specific and methodical. So you mentioned, for example, if we start out with

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David Wolf being the guy who wrote the Sun Diet, what was it, something like that?

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He wrote a couple of books, and the Be Beautiful book or something like that.

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It's the Sun Food Diet. And it's the raw vegan movement. So this is like

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20, at least 20 years ago, I was between cancer diagnoses. I had recovered to some degree. That's

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when I came across David Wolf and the raw vegan diet. And it claimed to be able to heal everything.

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It's when I started doing green shots of wheatgrass and barfing my cookies up. I remember

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the last time I doubled up on my shots and they just came right back up at me.

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And there were some obvious signs in that. But because it was so promoted and so, you know,

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there was a whole, there was a whole cult in my local community that formed up around it.

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You know, we had these huge meetings and raw potlucks. And we all learned these

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techniques of whether it was juicing or creating like a raw pie or, you know, all of this stuff that

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you just, it didn't matter what time of year that you were, you're in, you're just chomping down on

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this raw food. And I don't know about you, but I do know people that went the long haul

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with that one, like not just a few years, but they went 20 years on the raw vegan diet.

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And they disappeared. Their bodies got smaller and smaller. Now I would know to say that they

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actually became an undertype, which is a designation that Garrett uses to describe people who either

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lose weight when they get sick or they gain weight when they get sick. Two very different

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kind of body types and types. We've got two unders here, right?

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Yes. Well, you know, after being on the raw vegan for a while, I became an overtype.

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In the beginning I was an under and then I became an over. Yeah.

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Yeah. What else were you saying about that?

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Yeah. So the raw vegan diet and people like literally disappearing, they're framing

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disappearing. Yeah. I've watched many people. It's a great expression. And what does it mean on

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so many levels? The disappearance. What a great way to make people disappear. And also the vitality,

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the Alan Vitaal of life starts to fade. So you get these kind of people who are really wired.

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I remember the guy who used to own Giuliano's, which was this raw vegan restaurant in LA.

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I mean, he was so full of the carotenoids and he was just like constantly his nerves were on edge.

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He would blow out, you know, it was like his nervous system was slowly degenerating,

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but he thought he was just doing, you know, bringing more vitality to himself.

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Yeah. I remember that whole and then learning how to basically take anything raw and make a

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taste like something cooked. That was the whole point. And you know, and I discovered many

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culinary practices, you know, I learned some principles, you know, how to create the

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umami flavor, you know, salty sweet sour and fatty and putting that but using nuts and plants,

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plant foods and vegetables and fruits, right? So I was so proud of myself like that I could

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create these amazing sauces but not use any sugar. I would use a mango instead or an apple or,

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you know, some other thing. And you know, I thought it was so I felt like this gourmet,

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you know, this raw gourmet and I would make all these chocolates. And I remember,

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you know, that whole phase, you know, what that did to me and it became like a drug addict,

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but I didn't realize it. I would have never, you know, been able to admit that because I had no

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education. And yet I understood chemistry but I never, you know, which made me when I look at

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the past, I'm like, gosh, I mean, I was pre-med. I should have just gone and looked at the

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chemistry of some of these things. But I didn't because the spell was quite strong with,

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you know, people coming in, not that that's an excuse, but I'm trying to like have compassion for

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my past mistakes, you know, and see them as part of the path. But and then, and then, you know,

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you have people like David Wolf who then talk kind of pretend science. You know, that's part

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of the spell where he would bring in so-called science but just pull out certain types of

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research that would show how positive the effects of some of these things are.

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But all that research generally, as I'm learning now, thanks to Garrett, is that some of those were

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just, you know, not longer than six months of benefits, but they don't go further to show

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you what happens down the line when the person gets older or when they become pregnant or

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something like that. Yeah. Yeah. The short term versus the long term. And what happens in the short

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term when say, you know, almost any change that you make to your diet or supplementation or herbs

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and everything like that is actually going to create some kind of a response. And we know now

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that that response can actually be completely depressing and suppressing the system that

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causes detox in the body. The aldehyde dehydrogenase is, is, you know, a big one.

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And so when you take something, you take the herb, the supplement or you do the thing,

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and then you feel better, you instantly manufacture a belief that it worked.

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And so when you go down the line and it stops working, which is inevitable, right? I have 20

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years of evidence now since surviving cancer of when things appeared to work and I'd get all excited.

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I'd manufacture that belief. I'd keep on doing it. And then when it stopped working,

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I still had the belief and I keep doing it. And you were saying earlier about how they always

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say, you know, if you say, Oh, that herb didn't work, they would say, Oh, you need to take

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so much more of it. And you have to take it, you know, six times a day and all the copious amounts,

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that's one of the really big things that happened in, I don't know exactly how that happened in the

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natural health world, but it's like go big or go home. So if you've got a little bit of a result

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from a small amount, then you're just going to gobb it on. Or, or they would say, Oh,

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but you need to take a little bit of black pepper with that turmeric so that it gets

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fully absorbed, which is really no different than all these crazy commercials we see on TV,

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where they say, if your antidepressant isn't working, then take this to support your antidepressant.

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You know, it's the same thing. It's just a different scale. You know, and so when you slowly

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start to look at that, it's very unpleasant. You know, but you have to be careful that

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you don't become like paranoid and start to think like, Oh, everybody's trying to kill us.

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You know, because I do think that that's an important thing to look at when you're looking

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at these cults is that you don't want to be like a, you know, terrified of the cult.

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You know, you don't want to bring in this, this, because to me, that's part of the

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unpoisoning. You know, to me that this diet that we're on right now, or that's not a diet,

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it's a paradigm. It's a lifestyle. It's a sort of approach. It's a way of looking at

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what we put in ourselves. So it's not really a diet, but it's a way of life. But a big part of

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it for me is recognizing the, how do we poison ourselves with our own, the spell that we put

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on ourselves? Maybe somebody else starts the spell, but then we keep it going,

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like what you were saying, you know, how do we still want that comfort of going? No,

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I know this is working. Of course it's working. Even though you're feeling like something's off,

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but you go, no, no, no, that's just part of how it's working. You know, it's my detox, you know,

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and I would see people on some of these diets that I was on and they were diets.

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People would be having mega oozing sores, like the people who do the raw primal with tons of

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raw dairy and raw eggs and organs and all that. They would get like an oozing sore or

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something really, really intense, but they'd be like, oh no, that's just, you know,

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all toxins coming out where it's actually the continual bringing in of toxins.

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That keeps it, you know, that the body had to find a way to, you know, an outlet for some of these

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things to come out. I just think, I think we're amazing that we're still sitting here considering.

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Yeah, incredibly, I don't like that word resilient anymore because it's been weaponized,

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but to me that, yeah, I mean, I should be dead for sure if people didn't hear my whole

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sad, sad story. I did, there is an interview of Garrett interviewing me on my channel,

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on his channel as well, so you can go back to that. And yeah, that classic cliche,

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the enemies within it really is, you end up with two sides of it, your own internal

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belief system, and then your membership in some cult, right? I now having come to a new approach

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with it. I'm out of the cult. I've been removed from the cult. It wasn't even me leaving the

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cult. I'm being rejected from the natural health cult now. Not every single person will

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just like, oh, that's lost their mind. I'm out of here, but a lot of them are in that exact place

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where the allegiance that we have and the relationships that we have based on the unwritten

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agreement that we all are down with all of these kind of remedies and stuff like that,

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it goes very, very deep. And it offends people to the core when it suggests something else.

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I just had an experience of this in the House of Free Will. We were chatting,

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and so there's a bit of variety of different kind of arguments against Garrett's approach,

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which is, by the way, called toxic bioparadigm for anyone who doesn't know, you can find

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him at Nutrition Detective that he's on Twitter and Instagram and his website, nutritiondetective.com,

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if you want to follow up with that. And this is one of the things I wanted to talk about also,

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is how it makes it, first of all, seem like I'm just in a different cult. And a few people

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showed up to back me up and say, oh, no, this is good. But one of the common responses

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that I've heard now is that vitamins don't exist. So you can't talk vitamins. And that this was a

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recent one where a substance in your body is different than a substance outside of your body.

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I wanted to answer this really quickly because I know for a fact, and this is back to Grant

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Jenner who discovered low vitamin A as a good path. It is not the only path by any stretch

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of the imagination. It's really a sliver of it. It's just a big discovery that if you give a lab

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person a molecule, which there's no such thing as a molecule of zinc, it's always going to be

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connected to a peculinate or to, I don't know, all the iterations of zinc. It's always connected

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to something. And if you give them one that's from the body and one that's from a supplement,

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they will not be able to tell the difference. They will not know the origin of that. And so that

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kind of proves something to me anyway. And also just the idea, I don't know if you've ever talked

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about this, but the concept of dry chemistry and live chemistry, you know, I mean, there is like

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dry chemistry is just you're doing it outside of the body of putting things together. But then

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we really don't know, except through our own experience, what happens when you put something

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in your body. You know, I mean, that there is research on that too. But I just find that fascinating

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that people will say, Well, this chemical is for this. Well, not for everyone. You know,

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we are slightly different, all of us in how we remove poisons from our body or how we deal

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with things that our body doesn't want. You know, we'll have different strengths and different

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weaknesses. Yeah. Yeah. So that that that's a foundation of it that we are all actually unique.

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But this is also a weaponized kind of thing, because then we'll say, Oh,

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it's a poison for you, but it's not a poison for me. That's just a load of crap poison is

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poison. And yes, you may deal with it differently based on your age, based on

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your condition, based on your climate, all kinds of things based on your beliefs,

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all kinds of things. Poison is poison. Poison is poison, no matter, no matter how you,

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how you look at it. So I actually, I, Kai, Kara, I'm on 11, I'm still trying to pronounce your

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name. I was, I did have fasting on the list. So we can definitely get into that. And hello,

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learning time. Welcome. I'm glad you are here. If you don't mind helping me share out about the

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fresh air, by the way, it just tends to, it's stupid. I can get off the stream and look at it

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at that video. It has less views than it had people on the live. These do turn into podcasts

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after the fact we're live right now on Facebook and YouTube X rumble and even vigilante TV.

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So, did you ever do any fasting, Dagmar?

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Yes, of course. Come on. There's nothing that I haven't tried or done. But before we go into the

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fasting, I just wanted to say something that you mentioned in the, what you sent out to people,

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you know, the, the, the two sides of accepting everything and then also rejecting everything.

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You know, because you were kind of talking about that. And, and what I'm, I'm running into

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that now with people who, because they've been through so much. And if I, they asked me,

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what are you eating now? You know, and, and, but then they, this is one of those things that

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people go into like, oh, you know, okay, you know, no, I just, you know, I just have to live my

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life. You know, I just have to live my life and do it, you know, not another thing. I can't

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do another thing. So it's like the all out rejection of something. And then at the

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same time, that same person, if, if someone comes in with a story or narrative that appeals to the

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part of them that is either frightened or frustrated or whatever, they will, they can jump in and go

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all in, you know, to, so it's really interesting. Yeah, there's fatigue that happens over time,

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right? There's so many people that said, oh, this is the bomb. This is the way

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you just have to do this and everything's going to go perfectly. And, and then you get,

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you get down the line and you're just like, wow, I've, I've put in a lot of time, energy and money,

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right? Because you invest every single time you, you make a turner, make a choice of some kind.

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And, and yeah, that, that fatigue, even my son, he says to me, mom, what makes you think this

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is the truth? Because he's seen me come through a number of iterations. And I, you know,

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I ruined him and poisoned him along the way. And so it's kind of hard to live down. But, but yeah,

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that, that accepting everything with a kind of like open trust spirit and the, the, you know,

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lovers of nature, they're just, oh, it's natural. I'm going to put it in my body without even

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looking at it. That's, I mean, I did that continuously over the years. I would literally

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hear something on the grapevine or someone would send me a single text or I would read one crappy

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article in a natural magazine without any receipts or references or real research attached to it. And

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I'd be like, I'm on it. I'm going to, I'm going to do that in a lot of it. I'm making the cabbage

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soup. Remember that one? The cabbage soup diet? Oh, that was, I'm all kinds of craziness. But

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as far as fasting goes to what you were saying before, I have done it. And all I found was that it

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put me just like cold water plunging, you know, put me into a fight or flight state that felt good

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in the moment, you know, and maybe psychologically, it made me feel like, oh, it's just like being

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able to hold your breath a long time. Great, you know, it's, it, I mean, it does have

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certain pluses and it will, you know, reveal to you what state your body is in as far as,

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you know, oxygen and all that. But I don't know if I want to hold my breath for longer than three

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minutes every day, you know, maybe that's not the best analogy, but the fasting for sure,

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I found that it just made me feel good for a moment. And then sometimes it just made me

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feel horrific from the very beginning throughout. And it just felt like I'm starving myself. And I

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felt I would have terrible nightmares. And every time I look at the fasting people who do that,

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they don't, they don't feel like they've got, you know, that's not to say that for some people,

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yeah, maybe it might make you feel better depending where you're at in that moment,

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if you're so, so, so, so toxic that having a few days of not poisoning yourself with the same food

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that you're always eating, you may need, your body may need that break and just even that will give

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you some relief. But again, the moment you start eating the same stuff you've always been eating,

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you're right back where you were before. Yeah, exactly. It's funny because I outright rejected

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fasting in my mind. It was just like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to explain why

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I'm not doing it. I'm not going to research this. I always heard people's like, oh, it's the best. You

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feel like a million dollars. You get so much energy while you're fasting and you point it out

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because it puts you in fight or flight. That's why, because it jacks up your adrenals and you're

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going to live on adrenaline and cortisol until your body can get food. That's the only way

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it knows to manufacture some essentially fake short-term energy at high cost. And so, yeah,

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it completely burns out your adrenals. Also, to me, this really fits into the agenda that we're

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in right now, the depopulation agenda, getting us used to starvation, because that's how

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they took populations out. It was just by destroying a food supply or, you know, in our

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case, like the prices and the supply chains and all of that kind of stuff that I know when 2020 hit,

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I actually went into a weird place of eating much less. And it was to try to prove to myself that

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I didn't need food if they took it away. So that's pretty bleak. And yeah, that feeling good,

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I just want to repeat it. Sure, you might feel good because of the adrenaline and also

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because you're not putting toxins in your body at the same rate, but you cannot detox without food.

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I apologize. Can you talk for a minute while I go get the door? Oh yeah, go ahead. I can't be right

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back. So we were talking about, oh, I'm having a niacin flush, by the way. It's like, oh my god.

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So what was I going to say about fasting? It puts you into fight or flight,

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but you feel good about it, which is so ironic that you have something that generally is a really

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bad thing, starvation. You know, when you're starving, and then you create an art form from

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it, so to consciously starve yourself. That to me seems like there's something off about that,

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something anti-life, like the whole idea of the disappearing thing that Beth brought up in the

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beginning. Fasting to me is another version of having us disappear, you know, to disappear into

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this place of starvation. Like, why make an art form out of starvation when it's nothing that

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we ever strive for? Is it any goal of any human being to ever experience starvation?

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It's the last resort, you know? And so people are like, oh yeah, fasting is so good for you.

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I'm like, what in what world is starving good for you? I know. I know. It just would have

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been so insane to our ancestors who were starving and had a hard time finding food. So

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I just wanted to go back to a comment before we lose it. Mary said it feels like the poison acts

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differently in different people according to their existing toxicity. And that's exactly,

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that's exactly right. That, you know, a more toxic person, a little bit of poison can be

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a huge insult to them. It can, you know, put an end to their good day, for example.

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And somebody who's relatively clean can also have a strong reaction to a poison because they notice

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it compared to, you know, you've got a slew inside and you throw a few more drops in there. You don't

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notice it nearly as much unless your liver's on that edge. And I've been in that place where,

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you know, a half a cup of coffee and I feel absolutely terrible.

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Yeah. And the body knows how to die slow is obviously just going to add to that about fasting.

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And that's what it's doing when you're fasting. It's ridiculous. And, you know, it's,

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it's tragic. But I did, I did hear of somebody who died fasting this year. And that's,

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again, due to just the beliefs that people have.

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Yeah. And it's, and it's, and when you're dying slow, you become very alert, you know, like when

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the, that's the, that's the whole joy of that adrenaline rush or whatever you want to call it

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or the cortisol or, you know, the post runners high, you know, your body thinks it's being torn

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apart and something terrible is happening. So you're alert. And people love that. It's a,

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it's a great feeling to be super, you know, hearing well, seeing well, you know, fully present.

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But I prefer to be present through my parasympathetic nervous system, rather than through that one,

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even though sometimes I, you know, if there's somebody chasing me or if I see a weird person

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walking across the street, I want that rush that will alert me and be like, Oh no, go

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further away from this person. You know, it's not to say that I don't want that,

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but I don't want to be creating it myself or making that a lifestyle.

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Exactly. It's very expensive. It requires a great deal of energy input. And it's not

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sustainable over time. And, and you don't heal in your sympathetic nervous state. You only heal

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in your parasympathetic nervous state. So yeah, being in that what creates hyper vigilance,

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which, which you like better than being like all sleepy and, and out of it. But yeah, it's not,

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it's not a healing place by any stretch of the imagination.

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Yeah, I was going to say quickly that when my digestion broke down literally 100%,

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I guess three or maybe going on four years ago, the last resort that the person I was

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working with at the time told me to fast. So I was already way in trouble, intensely in trouble.

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And then their conclusion was the food was causing that trouble. It was partly right. But it was,

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you know, nine days in, I practically went insane. There was it was some of the hardest

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times going to try to go to sleep every night and my body's like screaming for nutrients.

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And I'm denying and I'm using all my spiritual power to overcome, you know, and releasing

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this fear of dying, which came up in Technicolor. So that's where, you know, there can actually

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be some spiritual goodness from fasting. That's the one reason that I think if people are called

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to that, not that someone could come and prescribe to you to do that. But if you feel called to

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do that for your spirit, there definitely can be benefits, but it's not physical. There's no

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physical benefit there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, you know, coming off the fast and that's

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like, Oh, you have to do this and you have to do that. And it's like, no, your body's just going

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to keep reacting the same way it was, because it's like going, Yay, I can detox again.

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I remember the very first fast I did, I was working on one life to live. And one of the

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other actresses in there, she's like, let's go to one of those fat farms for the weekend.

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And neither one of us was fat. Okay. But we went to this place where they just, you know,

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you fasted for two days and they gave you all these juices and things. And I was just like

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dying there. And first thing as we're going home on the bus from upstate New York,

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she pulls out her candy bars and her sodas. And she just starts, you know,

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starts doing the same thing as before. But, you know, she goes to this place, you know,

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every month. So it's like this, it's like this mad, what do you call that,

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wheel hamster wheel, you know, where she just keeps, you know, managing it a little bit, not even.

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And then, and then thinking that, you know, that's all I have to do is every month go and fast,

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and then I can do whatever I want. Yeah, that that the cleanse craze, the weekend cleanse,

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the, you know, gallstone flush or, or whatever it is. And then you go and you come away with the

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belief that, oh, my liver is clean now. I know, I know, I just, I just heard somebody who did a

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liver flush. And, and that caused his whole body to go into this major, major meltdown

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where he had to be hospitalized. I mean, that's, you know, you take these herbs, which are

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basically the poison in a very big, large dose. And he's been accumulating it obviously over decades.

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And then, you know, it's, it's just amazing. And you never hear about this, you know,

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people won't ever tell you that a liver flush could could cause all kinds of things.

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I mean, that's just one out of hundreds of things that are out there, like the whole

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colonic craze, too. You know, whatever you can do, whatever you want, just make sure you get

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your weekly colonic, or that you do your enema every day. I mean, it's not a lifestyle, you know.

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What do you see wrong with the, with colonics, just like the frequency of them

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or relying on them? I think for me, just the, like my, you know,

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farm or common sense that any, that things should be coming down over there, not up.

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And in large amounts like that. And I think that it's just causing your body to not have to

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function and the muscles and everything else, you know, is being blown out and overexpanded.

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To me, that's, yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a big fan. Oh, I've done them, but I just, they're kind of

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like a false cleansing, you know, like the same idea, like you were saying, you know, that people

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will take these herbs and they go, now my liver's clean, you know, and they think, okay, I did a

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colonic, now I am cleansed. It's, it's deep, it's deep psychological stuff, you know, that

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like the kind of work that you do is, is the thing that is very important to do with this kind of,

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you know, lifestyle practice, that you stay on top of who's talking inside, you know,

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what part of you feels like it's so filthy and dirty that it needs to be cleansed and needs

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to be blessed, you know, now you are now clean, my child, you know. So Mary was pointing out

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that it's actually unnatural. They, now I used to do a lot of colonics and it would help a lot,

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because I would always err on the side of more back being backed up than the other way around.

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But yeah, it's totally unnatural. And I have been become an extremely big fan of niacin enemas.

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I dumped the coffee that that to me is a cult, they're clearly caffeine is a poison and my

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body doesn't agree with it by any means. So yeah, but it is unnatural. And then, and then

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that's where the natural fallacy comes, right? That's the, that's the logic that if it's

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natural, it's good. If it's unnatural, it's bad. And these are not, this is not knowledge

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in either case, right? First of all, I'm curious what you have to say, but first of all,

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we don't live in a natural world by any stretch of the imagination. It's not God's intention

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that we end up so toxic accumulating over time, like the trees and a ring, you can see the lifetime

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of the abuse that the liver has taken. And, and then what I noticed about the niacin enema

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compared to the coffee enema, the coffee enema, it felt like it was more of a dependency,

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like that was something that I needed. The niacin enema, it actually heals my gut,

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so it works by itself. And, you know, there will be times where I rely on it more,

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especially if I want to take things like charcoal that tend to back me up as well.

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And, but then, you know, I'll do one and I'll be good for days and days and days in a row.

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So that's, that's the sign. And over time, I'm noticing like when, when your colon gets that

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direct hit of niacin, it heals the holes that are there. I had a bile dump yesterday and I noticed

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that it didn't go into my blood this time. Are those holes? I know, I know. Like, that's so

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cool. I literally didn't get symptoms. I didn't get a headache. I didn't get snotty. I didn't get

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all of the kind of things that can happen when bile goes into your blood and that's like, that's,

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that's kind of a good change. Yeah, I've been doing a lot of fascia work and man, that stuff is

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intense. I realized like, oh boy, you really have to do a very, you can't do it every day or

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every other day even because every time you're pressing deep or into any tissue, you are

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basically squeezing out the, you know, I see our body is like this brilliant suitcase

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that knows how to wrap things and keep them, you know, kind of there until the hallways are

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clear. You know, I kind of see like these hallways. I think Garrett said that once, that it's like

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this hallway that's all, you know, cluttered, full of stuff. And then the inner maids inside

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us are trying to keep up and go, oh, where do we put this stuff? So when you stop taking

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in all that stuff, you know, the hallway isn't as cluttered, so the maids can go, oh,

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let's check out this room, let's go in here and see what's in there. Oh my god, there's a drawer and

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there's stuff in the drawer and they can slowly start to bring things out and they keep being

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slowly, at least I think for older people. So I'm kind of like, I feel like I guess I'm the

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experiment myself is seeing, you know, how does a person in past 65 deal with this kind of thing,

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you know, how what's what, and again, you know, it's just only you know, only you can acknowledge

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to yourself, like, is this moving too fast or is it moving too slow, without diluting myself.

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But when you have so much more scientific understanding, you know, which this paradigm

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does provide, and it's the best thing that I've ever encountered in my 50 years of exploring this

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kind of stuff, you know, then you have something that you can you can think about it yourself,

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you can start to put things together. And it's not just a belief, it's not just, oh,

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I have to have faith in this, you know, you can you can try things. And that and that's

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what I like about this paradigm is that there is an there's an openness and but there's also

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it's easy to close certain doors, which before I wouldn't be sure about, I'd be like, well,

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maybe I should explore this. And now I'm like, Oh, no, no, absolutely no need

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to go down the path of adding another poison, right, that may have fantastic results.

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You know, with with so called research papers, but we're all being slowly trained to be able to

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read these these research papers. So it's harder to pull one, you know, over the wool over our eyes.

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Exactly. And there's always going to be more. I'm just just expecting that Garrett's going to

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keep finding new things, as will you or me or Kelsey, you know, that that are the other

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people who are on this journey, because it's, you know, nothing is done. It's like we're constantly

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going to different levels. Exactly. Exactly. Before we get too far forward, I just wanted to

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I will stop trying to pronounce your name, but apparently someone got a Nobel Prize for

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research on fasting. Well, first of all, I'm going to go I'm going to go hyper skeptical. And

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who gets Nobel Prizes? Are these are these the good guys? Are these the guys that are really on

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the cutting edge and doing something helpful for humanity? Or are they the ones that the system

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is voting to be in the forefront? So that to me right away is a tell of some kind that that he

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was funded to research starvation, which fasting is and then proved autophagy. Yes,

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autophagy is real, but that the body shouldn't be eating itself. Well, that's not natural.

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And but even if it is, if it's doing it naturally, well, it's not the body. I feel that we have every

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bacteria, fungus, whatever are all around us in us. And if there is something to be eaten,

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like dead tissue, let's say, then yeah, the body is constantly trying to clean itself.

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The body is trying to not die. Yeah. And so it will eat garbage. I've ever seen, you know, a sick

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rabbit animal eat garbage off the street or their own feces or, you know, that it's a really sad thing.

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But but yeah, that's death. That's the body taking desperate measures. Yeah. And so to call

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autophagy something to take that philosophy and turn it into something like, Oh, yeah,

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this is good. Just like saying that rocket fuel and breast milk is good because it is in breast milk.

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That doesn't make it great. Just because autophagy happens doesn't mean that it's something that we

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want to keep, you know, inviting. And as the cells are renewing themselves all the time,

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they're dying and being reborn constantly. So that's a natural process that's going on inside

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us. So it's not like we want to imitate the death process and speed it up.

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Exactly. Yeah. As if your body's not going to go through autophagy. It is. It's got that

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intelligence. It knows to get rid of the old and make the new. I wanted to address this

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next comment as well. I'm sorry for your friend, by the way, Mary, but you asked,

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how do you know when you have a bile dump? And this is a really important question that

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it was hard for me to understand at the beginning when I was first interviewing Garrett.

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When he said bile dump, I would say, like, yay, right? Like that sounds good. You want to dump

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the toxic bile and get it out. But what was not part of the picture then was the fact that

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people's guts are full of holes. That as the bile accumulates toxicity over the lifetime,

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it becomes more and more toxic. They talk about a bile recipe. It literally eats its

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way through the holes of the biliary tubes that connect your gallbladder to the liver.

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It eats right through the colon, the small intestine. And so the bile dump is referring

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to when the bile gets out of the gut that could otherwise handle toxic bile and it gets

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into your blood. And then it goes everywhere willingly. So the sign of a bile dump can be

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many things, but headaches, very classic, ear aches, classic, eye infections, classic.

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Or tooth aches, too. Tooth aches, exactly.

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Joint pain, especially stiffness around the neck. Yeah.

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Yeah, body pain all over, exactly. What we call cold, the seasonal detox that everybody's

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been going through, the high speed snot out the nose or the coughing that goes on.

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Nausea is a bile dump. That's bile backing up into the stomach where it should not be.

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That's why it feels thick from it. And so yeah, those are all signs that your body is not coping

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with the bile that it has. There's a certain amount, in fact, like 95% of the bile we circulates

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in the intrahepatic system. And then you want to be releasing down and out the other bile

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that actually stimulates your body to eject. Just gross talk or whatever.

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I learned to talk about poop here, I tell you. Yeah, you got it. You got it. You got it.

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Yeah, one of the gifts. And hello, Veronica Schwartz. Nice to see you. So yeah, I hope

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that makes sense. Emil, good to have you here. He says one should never fast unless they have a

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certain level of vitality to begin with. Also, yeah, that was a very bad call when I was

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in trouble myself. And then I started fasting. It was, oh man, talk about disappearing act. It

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was really freaky. People with sleep nervous issues should also think twice about fasting

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until they get those under control. Yeah, yeah, I do not recommend it. And it's a good care

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to cancer arthritis and many diseases caused by the accumulation of toxicity. If you're still

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talking about fasting, I'll say no, absolutely not. It's not a good cure for those diseases.

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It stops the cure. It stops your body from detoxing. You detox with food. You need certain

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nutrients to detox. For example, if you have vitamin A, you're consuming. Do you know

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the biochemistry really well on this one, Dagmar? What iterations the vitamin A has to go through,

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including like its stores as esters? Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't know it.

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Okay, I keep eating too. But it is. But each reiteration, in a way, gets more toxic. And

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it's also dependent on the kind of bacteria that you have, which can then make it even more

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toxic. So it's not for the faint of heart. And you do have to know that you're on a journey.

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I think probably only when you're older, but I think maybe younger people have an easier time

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with it. There's more leeway. The body can handle a lot more, less has been stored.

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Yeah. Yeah, I've watched some younger people that I work with at a farm and they're going through

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and not having any dramatic effects because they weren't that toxic to begin with. It's just a good

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adaptation that they've made early. I look at my son, he's only

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intoxced for 18 years. Well, it's really different. He's starting to notice now.

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He's starting to discriminate that when he eats certain things, he feels terrible.

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And it's like, okay, so that's good. I hope that doesn't mean he's more toxic.

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This is interesting. Emile said, did you want to say something, Dagmar?

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I was just thinking about Dr. Chafee, who's the carnivore guy. He just eats muscle meat and water

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and salt. And for someone like him, he became aware in medical school, he was told by one of

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his professors that plants are basically poisoning us. And he stopped at a very young age

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eating all these poisons. So for him, it's a whole different experience. He's not on this diet,

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but he's on a carnivore diet, which basically means he's not taking any fiber.

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So wherever he started it at, that's where he's going to stay there.

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So it's interesting, your history really does matter. And your parents' history,

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you know, I just found out that my mother had what do you call it,

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jaundice? What's the word in English? Hepatitis, when she was pregnant with my sister.

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And big difference between our temperaments. Certain things I never put together. And I

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looked at my past, you know, what happened to me emotionally throughout my life,

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and how my diet changed during those times, and what I was, you know, consuming at that time.

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It affects your whole, your whole being, you know. But go on, what were you going to say?

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I was just going to address this, that Emile's saying people need to keep in mind that therapies

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are not lifestyles. And that's a really good point, because should you need to be on your

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therapy continuously, then it's not working, right? That that's the idea about a therapy. You do it,

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you take it. That's one of the things that is unique to Garrett Smith's approach, is that

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when people get on, say a supplement, they might need a certain amount of zinc, selenium,

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molybdenum, whatever it is, they might need a lot more at the beginning. And then as they detox,

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they need less and less. Why? Because your body's not needing those nutrients to move out the

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poisons. You know, so then that's a really good testament to the fact that it's

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working. And way better than those that would say, oh, you're going to need to be on this

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for the rest of your life, which is the case with most drugs, right? When you go on something,

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the doctors tend to say, oh, you'll probably have to stay on that sleeping pill,

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or you'll have to keep taking your blood pressure medication into affinity. Yeah, exactly. And so,

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yeah, that's that's a sign that it doesn't work. And hello, quietly content bear. Nice to see you

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here. And Mary said, I think that claim that it's a cure is because they're not ingesting

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anything, which includes the poison exactly at which we which we mentioned earlier about

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fasting. Yeah, they're just not they're not intoxing. So there is a certain magic to that,

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especially if you have a very toxic diet. So let's see, I wanted to just go back and quickly

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address something you're talking about the the fascial stuff. And there was a very big trend

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of deep tissue massage to go to a practitioner and let them beat the crap out of you. So I've

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always been one of those that when people do that, when I get on someone's table and

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and they start really muscling in and digging into my body, I'm like, no, no, that hurts,

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get away from me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hurt you too, kind of thing. In fact, the last time I had

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a massage, I came away with, you know, I at some point I said, you know what, you think this

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pain is is is helping me. And I was in a really vulnerable place. I was sick. And I'm in

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Mexico. And, you know, they sent this angel and and what ended up happening, I got so

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enlightened to this and it made me realize why I have avoided massage therapy. I like I literally

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just psychologically, I didn't go because I don't want to argue with them about their

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tools and their techniques and everything like that. And I don't, I don't want to say to

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them back off 27 times during a single massage because they don't know how to do it.

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And so I just, I was just like, no, it's just a no, I'm just not gonna do that. And then it was

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Garrett told me, because after that massage, I felt way worse. What did she cause a bile dump?

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And I was already having an exaggerated bile dump. I was already very, very sick to a point

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of fever. So, so she comes in and made it way worse. But the belief is that she made it

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way better. So she she projected back on me that I must have so much trauma and so much grief and

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it must be I must be so damaged. That same same experience. And I didn't know it then. I know it

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now. Well, I literally had somebody do this very specialized deep tissue work in Los Angeles.

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And two minutes after she finished doing deep tissue work, I started to burp nonstop. I had

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like a major, I didn't know it then I bloated, I had a major bile dump that lasted like four weeks.

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And I couldn't eat anything. I had no idea what was going on. But she by going deep into the

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hip, which is where I had all kinds of accumulations, right? Because I was doing raw

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milk and all this kind of stuff at the time. And I had no idea what was happening to me. I mean,

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normal person would have gone to the hospital. But I could not stand up straight. I couldn't eat.

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I could hardly walk. I had no and you know, it was like the dump of dumps. Now, if I had known

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what I know now, it would have been gone in a day or two. But then it was just like,

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what the heck is going on? Yeah, no, I was so glad to hear that that now now I go to an osteopath

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and she's so gentle. Sometimes you can barely I can barely tell that she's touching me.

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You know, it's really subtle, almost almost a little bit too subtle might like a little bit more

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just obvious something around, you know, I don't know, doing something. But it's just way

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better. And it very clearly puts me in a healing state. And I've seen energy move had, you know,

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she just touched one place around my gut yesterday and and my whole leg starts to shimmer with

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blood flow. There's this like she said it was about it creates a vast it can create a vascular

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reaction. And it was just like a liveness in my body happened because she she was in the right

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spot. And it's very gentle. And, you know, I didn't feel like kicking her after it was it was perfect.

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Man, I was oh, I was left with a lot of a lot of anger about that going against my own instincts.

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This is what happens, right? I I deferred to her belief that this is what I needed. And and

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then yeah, so I was I I actually got traumatized by that.

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You know, it's and it's so common that when people get a massage and then they're lying down,

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but they get all stuffy and congested, you know, and nobody talks about like, what the heck is

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that about? You know, it's like everything gets stimulated and you start to, you know,

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all your all your your sinuses and everything starts to dump. Exactly. Exactly. But you think, oh,

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this is all so good for me. Right. Right. Exactly. Okay, so let's see if there's anything else.

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Here we go. What was I going to talk about the we kind of passed by juicing that was a very big

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craze that's everybody needed to get the $800 juicer. By the way, does anyone want to buy an $800

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juicer? I'm now selling mine. The only thing the juicer is still good for that I occasionally use

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it for is when I juice some ginger and I keep I and I mix tiny bit of ginger with like a big jar

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of honey and I keep that in the refrigerator and it lasts for years in case I ever have a really

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big bile dump and I need something. So I just, you know, put that drink a little bit of that. But

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that's about it. There you go. Yeah. It's that remember that it's that medical medium guy that

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everybody started listening to when he put out the, you know, the thing about celery juice.

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I remember in Los Angeles, you could not get celery in any, all Whole Foods were out of

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celery because everybody was buying it to juice, including yours truly.

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It's disgusting, you know, but you convince yourself and, and, you know, that's, I think

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Garrett described that really well about how are, how, how addictive we are that we can

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make the worst tasting thing seem like it's, it's okay. It's fine because in case there's

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nothing else to eat. So we can, we can get used to eating bitter, disgusting, poisonous things

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because it's better to eat than not to eat. Yes, exactly. We want to starve. We so don't want

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to starve that we will eat all kinds of things that are not even delicious. You know, so,

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yeah, the juicing thing, that was a killer for me. And I kept doing it. I just kept,

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and every time I go by a store that would, you know, make juice for you, I'd be like, okay,

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I'm going to get some because it's full of minerals and full of potassium. But it was just loaded,

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loaded with carotenoids and oxalates, which was, you know, one of the pathways that led me to

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this was the, the, the poisons in the plants. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was in the green cult. I had

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this was sort of self generated in a way. I just decided that everything green was good.

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Chlorophyll was like blood. And that I'm taking that in. And yeah, I would, I would juice,

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you know, ahead of cilantro or a bunch of cilantro, a bunch of parsley, a bunch of dill,

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dill turns out to be heavy metals, cilantro removes heavy metals.

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Exactly. And it's kind of the other way around that stuff is chock full of copper.

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You guys, oh my goodness. That's another big cult is that copper is a nutrient. But,

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but yeah, the greens, I just couldn't get enough green vegetables and stuff enough green vegetables

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down my kid's throat. And, and you know, the interesting part that can be really deceiving is

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that poisons are stimulants, right? Whether it's greens are stimulants, because I would

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literally get high on my green juice. And I'm feel like, Oh, wow, energy. I'm alive now. I'm really,

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I'm really doing this good thing. I didn't realize my body's being poised, poisoned,

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and is setting off the endorphins to protect me from the pain of the toxicity, right?

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Yeah, the endorphin high. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's that's a big part of my platform is to

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teach people the difference between high and aware, really different and more addicted to the high.

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And the aware can be almost invisible in the face of being high, which is a much more like,

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you know, big experience, so to speak, or gross experience. I don't mean bad, just big.

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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So those greens, I'm so happy. I don't have to chase the greens.

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Oh, my God, right? Like grocery stores in the winter here was the biggest greens. And yeah,

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I'd be eating that awful stuff because I felt like I needed it. And then I would go and graze in

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my garden. I couldn't eat enough lettuce for breakfast. And it was the years after I was

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gardening. And doing that is a lifestyle being in my garden every morning that I had the major

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breakdown. So yeah, that clearly wasn't working for me. And all that time and money saved,

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because I used to grow tomatoes too, but then I would peel them and remove the seeds.

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And then all this energy finally, when I liberated myself of that whole like, oh,

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I'm going to grow my own food. I'll grow food for the animals to eat so they can eat the food

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and clean the food for me through their liver. And then of course, not eat their liver,

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which I used to also do, liver pills and all of that. I mean, I love having an empty

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refrigerator or not like, but just not full of every, eat the rainbow. And I no longer have

01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:56.760
the rainbow of vegetables and fruits in my refrigerator. It's just so much more spacious

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and elegant and easy to have, you know, your everyday life, your everyday preparation for eating.

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The summer was like hell for me, because we would have access to all the

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fresh vegetables and fruits in a way we don't in the winters here. And so my fridge,

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I literally would have to put my foot on the door sometime to get it to shut. And like just

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the chaos of all of this copious amounts of produce all the time. So yeah, I echo that.

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Now I have a relatively empty fridge and it's a beautiful thing. It's when I put stuff in there,

01:10:36.280 --> 01:10:43.640
there's room. So yeah, yeah, space is good. Space is good. It goes against our, you know,

01:10:43.660 --> 01:10:47.980
because part of the starvation threat is that we should prep and we should have,

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you know, great big full pantry or garage full of canned goods. And I've been scrambling to eat

01:10:55.500 --> 01:11:01.000
my props because there's like, you look at the thing and it's like, Oh yeah, expired. Oh,

01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:07.620
expired. Another can expired. And it does matter. Sure, sure you probably could eat it in 25 years.

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But what's it going to be like? You know, is that going to be food of any kind anymore?

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Anybody wants any sardines? Oh God, I collect sardines and salmon from like this really cool

01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:31.260
company, you know, most sustainably, you know, caught and all this wild and I'm like, Oh my God,

01:11:31.420 --> 01:11:38.380
what do I do with these? If there's ever any, if there's ever any need to feed the neighborhood,

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I can do that. Yes, yes, exactly. I was pretty happy that I had prepped the black beans because

01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:52.440
they're pretty easy to get organic and in cases at Costco and stuff like that. So luckily,

01:11:52.940 --> 01:11:57.060
me and black beans get along really well. I know they're not the best of the love your

01:11:57.060 --> 01:12:04.000
liver top at the top. But for some reason, I just I get along with them. We grew a bunch of

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.680
beans and dried them. I'm actually going to get them today. They're going to bring a bunch. I bet

01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:14.240
they're not shelled. So I might have some work ahead of me to say the least. But yeah,

01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:21.520
Elisa said one girl and a weekly CSA feels like being a scullery made for sure. Do you

01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:31.380
know what that is? Scullery made? Kitchen bitch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who said that? Scullery made.

01:12:31.380 --> 01:12:37.160
I haven't heard that. Yeah, yeah. I used to affectionately call myself a kitchen slave.

01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:42.780
And this is another massive benefit of going through the love your liver. Being being in a

01:12:42.780 --> 01:12:48.980
love your liver approach to food is that it's effortless. Oh, my goodness. There's some there's

01:12:48.980 --> 01:12:54.280
there's a more pre thinking because I want to eat protein first thing in the day. And if I

01:12:54.280 --> 01:12:58.500
don't have some leftover protein from the day before, then I've got to start. Oh,

01:12:58.500 --> 01:13:03.460
I'm going to start getting some out of the freezer or getting some fresh meat and the cooking and all

01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:11.160
that kind of stuff. But if I plan a little bit, then my meals are minutes to prepare. I'll make

01:13:11.160 --> 01:13:17.400
a bunch and freeze a bunch because it's just instant to get it out. And now instead of having

01:13:17.940 --> 01:13:24.860
nine vegetables on one plate, I will have asparagus or I'll get really fancy and do asparagus

01:13:24.860 --> 01:13:32.600
and celery together or celery and parsnips, which are all light low vitamin A, by the way,

01:13:33.980 --> 01:13:39.060
vegetables. And it's just so much simpler. You've got three things you got to meet and you've got

01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:45.260
a carbohydrate and you've got a vegetable and it's done. I've even eliminated the vegetable.

01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:51.640
So mine is even faster because it's just pretty much just, you know, the fiber and the protein.

01:13:52.320 --> 01:13:58.140
Right, right. Yeah, I'm not sure if I habituated myself because I've been like a Olympic vegetable

01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:04.220
eater and I do seem to do better with some vegetables of the right kind. So go figure. Yeah,

01:14:04.340 --> 01:14:11.160
yeah, it's just how it goes. So a simple life is an easier, happier life. It's true. You just

01:14:11.160 --> 01:14:17.400
have more time and you're not behind the eight ball. And, you know, my gourmet taste always

01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:23.260
worked against me because I would have to have so many ingredients in every single meal. Never

01:14:23.260 --> 01:14:28.380
mind just the cooking, but then once you go to eat and how many different condiments am I going to need

01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:37.100
to sprinkle and spread and, you know, jazz up and fire up. Did you know, did you see that when

01:14:37.100 --> 01:14:43.700
you started eating this way? Did you like clear tons of kitchen space and remove all your spices?

01:14:44.380 --> 01:14:50.300
For me, that was huge. Just removing, like I have so much more space and in my bathroom too,

01:14:50.420 --> 01:14:55.840
removing all my essential oils and all that, you know, all that just look at the ingredients.

01:14:56.160 --> 01:15:02.460
I'm like, oh my God, I don't need this. There's another cult with the essential oils. I feel

01:15:02.460 --> 01:15:11.480
very sad even to bring this up, but people are totally married to it and they built whole

01:15:11.480 --> 01:15:18.880
stores around it and they've built their whole healing career around them. Yeah. And this is a

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:25.840
place where this natural cult is very prominent because we know that the chemical fragrances

01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:32.460
are poison, like 100% or at least most people in the natural world do. Although the interesting part

01:15:32.460 --> 01:15:40.100
is that they often thought an oil was natural when I would know full well by my reaction

01:15:40.100 --> 01:15:45.820
that it wasn't natural because I could tolerate natural fragrances for some reason, you know,

01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.280
even though they're not good for you, I could still tolerate them. You could cover me and that

01:15:49.280 --> 01:15:56.020
stuff and I wouldn't get symptoms that I remember. But, you know, so there's so many

01:15:56.020 --> 01:16:01.980
products that you don't have any idea what they really are by the time they hit a shelf.

01:16:02.780 --> 01:16:11.420
And yeah, and then just the natural essential oils are basically aldehydes, right?

01:16:12.380 --> 01:16:17.800
Yeah. They are family of form aldehyde. And what are other aldehydes I don't know of?

01:16:18.220 --> 01:16:24.380
I mean, they're volatile organic compounds. They're, yes, they're natural, volatile,

01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:29.420
organic compounds, the same things that are in all kinds of paints and things that you don't,

01:16:29.420 --> 01:16:35.340
that are warnings on, right? But when, but because they smell pleasant, everybody's like,

01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:41.560
no problem. You know, just I used to put on lavender oil just to keep the mosquitoes off,

01:16:41.620 --> 01:16:48.040
you know, and I thought, oh, just put it on my skin. I mean, I'm so happy to be,

01:16:48.040 --> 01:16:54.100
to be done with that. But man, I have like hundreds. And I still haven't thrown them away.

01:16:54.100 --> 01:16:59.360
I'm keeping them for bartering or something. And because I'm assuming they won't go bad.

01:16:59.540 --> 01:17:05.780
But there's just so many things that I don't need. Like when I travel now, so much easier.

01:17:06.060 --> 01:17:11.320
Before I'd have all my supplements, big two bags, you know, now it's just like,

01:17:11.660 --> 01:17:17.500
you know, potassium magnesium. And sometimes, and yeah.

01:17:18.220 --> 01:17:24.760
Nice. Yeah, the simplicity. And then, so, kai kariman kariman, did I get it right?

01:17:24.940 --> 01:17:30.180
This time 11 is asking about cannabis oil. So cannabis is a whole thing. And this is

01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:37.420
definitely part of the natural health cult that has been put out as the healing thing. And that's,

01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:42.620
you always hear this, that there's, oh, save this little girl's life. And there's this

01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:51.340
massive, big result of some kind going on. Personally, I did use cannabis oil. There was

01:17:51.340 --> 01:17:56.180
one time when my insomnia was just horrendous and I was desperate in the middle of the night. I'm

01:17:56.180 --> 01:18:03.500
like, cannabis oil or CBD's oil. And I went and I got it. It did absolutely nothing for me.

01:18:04.240 --> 01:18:11.100
And Garrett Smith has a live stream particularly on the poison nature of cannabis. So if we

01:18:11.100 --> 01:18:17.440
have any idea that it is a good substance because it's natural, it's full of stuff. Now,

01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:20.720
I haven't studied it that much. Do you have anything more you want to say on that?

01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:29.620
I mean, I've dabbled in it. I've used like cannabis, very condensed to put on this,

01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:37.620
like a mosquito bite, you know, and it worked. But now I, it worked, but it always felt

01:18:37.620 --> 01:18:45.760
just the taste of it and all that. I prefer the zinc niacin salve, which does it so much better.

01:18:46.040 --> 01:18:49.880
And it feels like it's actually healing something that it's not just suppressing.

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:55.940
Right, right. Yeah, that's, that's probably why cannabis oil tends to work. I'm not

01:18:55.940 --> 01:18:59.840
meaning to make people out to be like, they're not telling the truth or something like that.

01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:05.460
But the chances are that it's more about suppressing your symptoms. And that's again,

01:19:05.460 --> 01:19:09.880
something that people tend to need to be on for their whole life. I know someone who

01:19:10.570 --> 01:19:17.480
will have grand mal seizures without cannabis and they need to consume cannabis every single day

01:19:17.480 --> 01:19:23.680
of their life in order to avoid the seizures. So it's not healing, right? It's not a healing

01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:30.360
thing. It's, it's what Ben would, Garrett calls a band aid. Yeah, it's the same thing like with

01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:36.420
all the butter that I kept eating, you know, I was just loading up on retinol and I had to keep

01:19:36.420 --> 01:19:43.680
eating it to maintain my useful appearance, you know, and, and, and yeah, it definitely worked.

01:19:43.900 --> 01:19:51.440
But when I stopped all that and allowed my body to do what it probably what it's been wanting to do,

01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:55.500
but instead of kicking the can down the road, you know, that it would happen

01:19:55.500 --> 01:20:02.900
in five years or 10 years, I'm kind of like dealing with, you know, what my body going like, oh,

01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:09.440
where's my fix? At the same time, it's going, oh my God, this is so great.

01:20:10.620 --> 01:20:15.720
You know, and things are changing. They're definitely are changing. I'm just so many

01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:23.340
things that I used to consider were normal are gone. I know, I know how many things

01:20:23.340 --> 01:20:28.400
you even forget to mention them as somebody says, like, how are you doing? You don't even bring up

01:20:28.400 --> 01:20:32.800
certain things just like, Oh, it's always been like that. So I went into apathy about it.

01:20:33.580 --> 01:20:41.380
Yeah. Yeah. And just just emotionally, though, what to me, that's, that's been, that was my focus

01:20:41.380 --> 01:20:47.840
for ever doing any diet of any sort was because I wanted to be strong enough to be able to

01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:53.740
move a lot of feelings through me because I'm an actor and a writer. And I do a lot of, you know,

01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:58.940
it's processing a lot of emotion moving through me. You can't just be, you have to be strong.

01:20:59.220 --> 01:21:04.040
I have to have a strong instrument. That's the only reason I was ever, you know, searching for

01:21:04.040 --> 01:21:11.800
this kind of stuff. And I'm finding the, I'm going to use that word, the resilience. But,

01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:21.380
but I have found that, that my body is just stronger emotionally that I can carry so much more,

01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:28.620
you know, that, that going through something, a moving emotion through me, if I'm working on a

01:21:28.620 --> 01:21:35.920
part or something, it's, it hardly, it just feels like, Oh, and I'm right back, you know, it's

01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:40.780
not like before I'd have to do a lot of recovery and do all kinds of things to get myself,

01:21:40.780 --> 01:21:48.660
you know, back. But so, you know, it's the emotional body. We don't talk about it. We talk about our

01:21:48.660 --> 01:21:55.240
body, but we don't talk about like, where do we have feelings? How do we feel them? You know,

01:21:55.560 --> 01:22:01.980
can we feel in all of our body? Are we just feeling somewhere in our head? You know, and,

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:09.560
and I think that the less poison or the less, whatever, the less of the things that our

01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:16.000
body doesn't want, we have the better off we are. The more room there is, like the room in the

01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:21.400
refrigerator, I feel like that's what's happening with this paradigm and this way of living is that

01:22:21.400 --> 01:22:28.900
more room is being made in my body, but also in my emotional and in my psychic field.

01:22:29.340 --> 01:22:34.460
It feels like it's, it's stronger than it's ever been. Like it's easier to be who I am,

01:22:34.460 --> 01:22:42.960
like to be myself. Yeah, so I'm really grateful. Amazing. That's beautiful. Yeah, I noticed that the

01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:51.560
work that I do in deprogramming, so it's not the same as, you know, evoking emotions necessarily,

01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.520
but it has a very strong emotional component because we got those and most people are

01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:02.320
suppressing them and the healthier the liver is, the easier it is to do the work.

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.260
Right. So, and I can see it when I go into periods where I've dumped bile and I have to contend with

01:23:08.260 --> 01:23:13.860
that for a few days or a week or sometimes longer. It has been, although I've been doing amazing,

01:23:14.700 --> 01:23:20.900
touch wood so far. I found a good, I found a really good pace for myself. Then it's

01:23:20.900 --> 01:23:27.620
exponentially different. It is much harder to find a program and to release it when we're

01:23:27.620 --> 01:23:34.340
not well. And I've seen this in a lot of people that as they decline, and especially when their

01:23:34.340 --> 01:23:38.780
liver is part of the decline, because I've, you know, I've seen a variety of people die now,

01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:45.620
unfortunately. And it seems like the liver is always the last thing to become cancerous or

01:23:45.620 --> 01:23:51.740
to become serotic or to become something, you know, that is now considered more than

01:23:51.740 --> 01:23:58.880
silent disease, but according to the medical system. And their whole state of mind degrades

01:23:59.420 --> 01:24:06.320
and they get angry and they get bitter. And they're unreasonable. You can't even,

01:24:06.820 --> 01:24:13.740
you know, have a normal exchange or appeal to any logic or rationality in the process.

01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:18.900
They just, they go crazy, right? There's a certain kind of crazy when, when liver toxicity

01:24:18.900 --> 01:24:26.980
is over the chop. That's the word lunatic, because during the full moon, apparently we tend to dump

01:24:26.980 --> 01:24:34.700
more copper. And so people act like lunatics. But just think of the word liver. You know,

01:24:34.820 --> 01:24:41.100
it's the one who lives, he's the liver, she's the liver of life. You know, I mean, there's,

01:24:41.180 --> 01:24:45.560
there's a reason why that word has the word live in it.

01:24:47.040 --> 01:24:54.340
There's something very powerful. And, you know, it's like, it's like, it's hidden in plain sight.

01:24:55.060 --> 01:25:00.800
Yeah, the liver, they should have called the liver the heart, so to speak. I just noticed,

01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:05.120
by the way, I'm sort of interrupt, but people are saying my mic is low.

01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.460
Yeah, occasionally it does kind of go a little muffled. And then it comes back.

01:25:09.740 --> 01:25:14.860
Really? Okay, I'm going to make a little manual adjustment here, because all my settings are good.

01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:21.240
Let me know if this improves it. Hello, hello, hello. Is that any better?

01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:29.220
Or even a bit more? It is better? Okay, maybe that got knocked or something like that.

01:25:29.620 --> 01:25:35.700
Thanks, Jackie. I appreciate that. And there was one question that we skipped past. So I want to go

01:25:35.700 --> 01:25:41.700
back to this. Alisa is asking, could you expand on your magnesium and zinc potassium process

01:25:41.700 --> 01:25:45.920
to get it from food if that's possible? You want to go first on this?

01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:55.520
Yeah, the magnesium from food, I don't think it's possible. Not the amounts that I seem to need.

01:25:56.200 --> 01:26:03.640
I'm just experimenting now with magnesium pitholate. And zinc, I could see, you know,

01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:09.540
if you are eating a lot of red meat, I could see that that's possible to get through food.

01:26:09.540 --> 01:26:16.100
And potassium too, you know, but then you have to eat a lot of bananas and coconut water.

01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:24.740
But the magnesium, I feel like that one to build my magnesium stores is my challenge,

01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:30.440
because I can't believe how much I need. And the transdermal magnesium, I think,

01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:36.320
is the most potent. And I'm recently started doing transdermal magnesium and potassium,

01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:42.800
which hopefully maybe when Kelsey's on, you can have her talk more about that. But that's really

01:26:43.360 --> 01:26:48.820
pretty awesome is to put the potassium with the magnesium and absorb it through the skin.

01:26:50.420 --> 01:26:55.720
Yeah, I was doing that as well. What's your recipe on that? Because I think I'm

01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:00.420
being creative on this. Was it like half a cup of magnesium chloride? By the way,

01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:07.740
do not use epsom salts. That's magnesium sulfate. You don't want sulfates. This is very,

01:27:07.780 --> 01:27:12.600
very hard for people to understand that sulfur, and I've got this on the list, is not a nutrient.

01:27:12.900 --> 01:27:17.420
It's a toxin. Yeah, you mean the magnesium that I do in the lotion?

01:27:18.660 --> 01:27:25.180
No, or yeah, like the magnesium potassium. Yeah, so Kelsey's formula was you take the

01:27:26.160 --> 01:27:32.100
regular nutrition detective lotion, and then you put a tablespoon of magnesium chloride,

01:27:32.420 --> 01:27:39.240
but you first put some warm water, not boiling, but like warm water, and you let it melt,

01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:44.840
and then you, you know, get a kind of melty of the minimum amount of water you need,

01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:51.100
and then you pour that into the bottle, and you shake it up, and it works beautifully.

01:27:51.100 --> 01:27:57.100
Oh, hadn't considered that. Yeah, I was making my own oil with a half a cup of magnesium chloride,

01:27:57.440 --> 01:28:02.600
one cup of water, hot water, by the way, so that it would actually dissolve, because sometimes it

01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:07.940
doesn't dissolve, and then a tablespoon, but I think I jacked it up to two tablespoons of

01:28:07.940 --> 01:28:13.340
potassium chloride in there, and it dissolved really nicely, so I have very high potassium

01:28:13.340 --> 01:28:19.100
needs because I have a lot of copper toxicity, which is going down miraculously after

01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:25.160
about 14 months, I know it's amazing. I notice the difference. It's called good sleep every night,

01:28:25.780 --> 01:28:31.360
right? Years and years and years of insomnia, both a potassium deficiency and a copper toxicity

01:28:31.360 --> 01:28:38.900
are, they're very related because your body can't detox the copper without using potassium,

01:28:38.900 --> 01:28:46.140
and it kicks potassium out of your cells, making it look on a blood test that you have tons of

01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:52.220
potassium, or too much potassium, but you don't have it where you need it. That's the big problem

01:28:52.220 --> 01:28:59.980
around that. So yeah, the food sources of potassium, like Dagmar already said, the bananas, the coconut

01:28:59.980 --> 01:29:05.740
water, also green kiwis, but they're high in oxalates, so you don't want that every day,

01:29:06.040 --> 01:29:10.700
also potatoes high in potassium, but they're nightshades. You don't want that every day,

01:29:10.700 --> 01:29:14.740
because that'll bring about some toxicity as well over time.

01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:23.040
One just thing about kiwis, don't ever blend your kiwis, because the blending of a kiwi could

01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:27.440
lend you in the hospital, it has some people, because that's when you really release all the

01:29:27.440 --> 01:29:33.600
oxalates. From the seed, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was experimenting with de-seeding a kiwi,

01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:41.080
can't be done. Like, I can do it, I can do it. Yeah, you'll just end up with a tiny piece of

01:29:41.860 --> 01:29:47.760
just the shell mostly. Yeah. Yeah, I stopped eating those things after Jackie and

01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:53.340
you Dagmar told me. So is the audio better, by the way? Can you guys let me know in the chat

01:29:53.340 --> 01:29:58.600
if that sounds better to you guys? I don't know why that could have happened. And Sam,

01:29:58.700 --> 01:30:02.300
nice to see you. I'm glad you're here. Did I say that liver is the last one to get

01:30:02.300 --> 01:30:08.340
cancer? I can't speak to that being everybody, but I have noticed in just this sheer anecdotal

01:30:08.340 --> 01:30:15.140
experience on my part. Now, first of all, they don't register liver disease, because it's possible

01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:23.680
the liver was sick and cancerous long before, but because your liver is taking the whole

01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:30.720
weight of all of the, you know, it's like your last line of defense. And so you're

01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:36.340
probably not going to know it. That's why they coined the term in medical system silent liver

01:30:36.340 --> 01:30:41.980
disease. The only way you could really tell would be liver biopsies, which are gory, nobody wants

01:30:41.980 --> 01:30:48.980
that. And, and so yeah, it seems to be, you know, the diagnosis of liver cancer seems to be at

01:30:48.980 --> 01:30:54.340
the end, and then they're gone. They're not, they're not going to be around very long at all.

01:30:56.080 --> 01:31:03.520
I'm curious, curious, Beth, do you have names of some of the, the, the cultish diets that you've

01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:09.000
been on? Like, do you, do you have like a progression, like, you know, the last 20 years, like,

01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:14.720
how did it start and where did it, where did it end? What were you doing right before you got

01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:22.480
to this one, to this paradigm? Oh boy, it's kind of endless, I guess. I developed a

01:31:23.160 --> 01:31:28.600
fascination before I started to travel to the East, India and Nepal in particular.

01:31:28.980 --> 01:31:33.900
Now your sound is getting muffled. Really? For a second it did, yeah. On.

01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:40.540
Kind of pissed off. I didn't change anything. Okay, but keep going. Okay. It's back then.

01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:47.640
Okay, good. Yeah, so then I got fascinated with herbal medicine and I picked up and I was,

01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:54.980
you know, going to India and I studied with some Ayurvedic physicians there and I would buy all

01:31:54.980 --> 01:32:00.900
the herbs in the markets and the little blue pills that they sold in their Ayurvedic pharmacies.

01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:04.820
That's amazing that I would take. Like, first of all, I probably poisoned myself on the color

01:32:04.820 --> 01:32:10.700
alone, right? And I would just, I would see the name and I would look it up in my little book

01:32:10.700 --> 01:32:14.960
and I'm like, yeah, that's for me. I'm going to take so much of it. I'm going to like take

01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:23.400
nine and 12 and 15 pills at one time. And then my over the eight trips to India, my health degraded.

01:32:23.700 --> 01:32:28.200
The reason I think the real catalyst was I got a lot of vaccinations

01:32:28.200 --> 01:32:35.160
before I left for my first trip. They shot me up with the hepatitis B and the hepatitis C and,

01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:41.140
you know, every, I don't know, I probably had nine shots over a couple of months before I left

01:32:41.140 --> 01:32:48.540
and so I got sick before I left. I already was degraded in my health and then when I was away,

01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:53.560
I got sick all the time. I at the time would have explained it that I got every cold or every

01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:59.760
microbe in the water or, you know, I just was constantly battling something as many people

01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:04.900
were there. And that's when I jumped out on on their medicine. I also was at the time,

01:33:05.300 --> 01:33:10.400
I wasn't a full on natural health nut yet. So I did lots of their antibiotics that are banned

01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:17.040
in North America, but they still get to sell them in India. So I doubly ruined my system.

01:33:17.860 --> 01:33:23.560
And when I got back from India the first time I was so sick in my gut, no doctor could help me.

01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:28.380
They wanted to give me more antibiotics. By that time, I'm going like, no, it's a no. I knew

01:33:28.380 --> 01:33:35.340
it wasn't going to help me. And I got a healing short term by eating nothing but organic food.

01:33:36.040 --> 01:33:43.620
So along the same liver, liver principle of just reducing the toxicity of the food

01:33:43.620 --> 01:33:50.600
enabled my body to go through a healing process. It wasn't done, but that was a really good thing.

01:33:51.480 --> 01:33:58.760
And yeah, what else did I go through? I avoid it. I think there's many more than I avoided.

01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:06.020
When was the alkaline diet? Oh God, yes, I did the alkaline diet too. Alkaline or die,

01:34:06.180 --> 01:34:13.760
remember that book? Yeah, exactly. And so yeah, before I was formally diagnosed with cancer,

01:34:13.900 --> 01:34:19.300
I would try to be alkaline, take alkalizing. That was like the green was all alkaline,

01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:26.380
green foods. And I consumed quite a bit of salt because that was something that I assumed

01:34:26.380 --> 01:34:31.480
disease was caused by acidity and cancer was caused by acidity and all of that kind of thing.

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:35.860
I remember bringing it up with my natural path. This is one thing very much to his credit.

01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:41.180
And I said, oh, the alkaline diet, it's the cure for cancer. And he says, Beth,

01:34:41.820 --> 01:34:46.560
all my patients die on it like this. Oh, but what's your point?

01:34:49.200 --> 01:34:53.960
So luckily, he could see through it. And he knew this is something I feel very grateful

01:34:53.960 --> 01:35:01.520
to have learned early that the pH of the body is very sophisticated. The pH of your mouth is not

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:06.800
the pH of your esophagus is not the pH of your stomach is not the pH of your colon is not the

01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:14.380
pH of your musculature or your eyes. And we see this in in the buffering of niacin nicotinic acid

01:35:14.380 --> 01:35:19.280
that you need different proportions depending on if you're going to put it here or you're going

01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:24.460
to put it up, right? Because you've got different parts of your body that you're trying to accommodate.

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:28.560
And even then, it's a little bit of a moving target guessing game.

01:35:29.620 --> 01:35:35.980
So to think that, you know, acid is bad. And this is a major fallacy of the natural health

01:35:35.980 --> 01:35:43.080
world that something's good and something's bad, right? And that it's one thing that it's the

01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:51.460
one cause one solution approach that that has gotten me many times, you know, I think, oh,

01:35:51.480 --> 01:35:59.340
it's just this one thing. Oh, I have a deficiency of oregano oil, or it's my acidity. That's my

01:35:59.340 --> 01:36:04.560
problem. That's the only thing I have to address. Everything is about because I used to give those

01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:10.300
lectures to friends, you know, be like, Oh, nothing, no bacteria, fungus or parasite can survive in

01:36:10.300 --> 01:36:17.420
an alkaline environment. It's all about the terrain. I was like spewing this stuff off. And

01:36:17.420 --> 01:36:25.600
oh, man, I was so wrong. So unfortunately, people did listen to me. So I have a lot of karma to

01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:32.180
clean up. Well, good for you, though, Dagmar, because the vast majority of people will not

01:36:32.180 --> 01:36:38.000
turn around and say I was wrong. They might change their tune. But they're not going to

01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:43.380
say that they were wrong, right? They're going to try to avoid the humiliation of that.

01:36:44.740 --> 01:36:51.260
That that's very good. That sense of knowing that, you know, I had a not a positive effect on people

01:36:51.260 --> 01:36:56.820
not to beat myself up over it, but to just acknowledge like, Yeah, that was a that was

01:36:56.820 --> 01:37:04.500
that was part of something that I'm not proud of. And I try to make up for it.

01:37:05.480 --> 01:37:09.600
You know, that's that I know. But one thing I just want to address what you were saying

01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:15.160
about the whole India thing, it never really occurred to me. And it's kind of obvious now

01:37:15.160 --> 01:37:20.100
that you say it, because I know everyone who goes to India, they they tell me how incredibly sick

01:37:20.100 --> 01:37:26.600
they get, and sometimes how long it lasts. And you know, I mean, most people who go to India

01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:31.460
must get vaccinated. Right. Hey, you know what, we shouldn't use that word. Let's

01:37:31.460 --> 01:37:37.520
say jabbed just in case that gets me a straight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so so people, most people

01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:44.880
get jibby jabbed. And so that the the conditions and you go from the poison of the jibby jab

01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:55.580
to the poison of the crazy high a and oxalate diet, that is the Indian diet. I mean, and I know

01:37:56.300 --> 01:38:01.440
I mean, you go from that to so maybe and people make it seem like, oh, it's these parasites,

01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:07.060
parasites. I don't know. I think I'm just thinking now like, wow, that there's a pattern there

01:38:07.060 --> 01:38:12.280
that it's the yeah, yeah, that it's the beginning of the poisoning, you know,

01:38:12.300 --> 01:38:18.240
if somebody is not used to having a lot of poisons in their body and suddenly they get nine.

01:38:19.820 --> 01:38:24.680
You know, that's quite a strain on the system, especially if you're like an undertype

01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:31.520
like you are. Because I wasn't I wasn't then I didn't I yeah, I turned into another type in

01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:35.780
in the after 2020 when I stopped eating. Actually, that's that's when that happened,

01:38:35.780 --> 01:38:39.980
because I always used to be just slightly over. That was where I would air.

01:38:41.400 --> 01:38:47.620
Yeah, I was going to say that in those days, just around say, you know, like the regret or

01:38:47.620 --> 01:38:52.900
shame and all that kind of stuff. What I remember is that no one would take my advice

01:38:52.900 --> 01:38:57.280
when I was spouting off the natural health stuff. My family didn't want to hear it.

01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:02.940
Friends didn't want to hear it. You know, nobody listened to me. Well, now I'm so grateful.

01:39:04.080 --> 01:39:09.400
Yeah, that's I was wrong, right? And then I also never went into health coaching.

01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:15.420
So grateful. I didn't do that. I never did that either. Oh, my God. Yeah, I could have.

01:39:16.140 --> 01:39:21.980
Yeah, I was yep. Stacey Sunshine says your face will tell you when your liver is overworking.

01:39:21.980 --> 01:39:26.520
Yep, your skin is a very big tell whether it's on your face or anywhere else in your body.

01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:34.900
Here's the thing. There's a catch to that because my liver was way overworking and I look fantastic.

01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:40.480
And you had perfect skin. Perfect. Always, always. Now I'm breaking out.

01:39:41.240 --> 01:39:46.900
But I kept that away. You know, now the stuff is coming out. So I'm reliving

01:39:46.900 --> 01:39:54.520
teenage hood that I never had. But that's okay. You know, this is so good to just like get over the,

01:39:55.140 --> 01:40:01.520
you know, the vanity part of it all, which I think is healthy for no matter what you're doing,

01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:09.040
you know, to just embrace where we are. But go on. I'm sorry to interrupt.

01:40:09.420 --> 01:40:13.040
Oh, that's okay. Yeah. And it's actually really well said, Stacey, that your your

01:40:13.040 --> 01:40:18.540
liver is overworking, meaning, you know, if the poison's coming out your skin, it means that your

01:40:18.540 --> 01:40:25.940
liver's not handling the level of poison. And so it like exact, I want to emphasize what you said,

01:40:26.020 --> 01:40:31.340
Dagmar, because it can go both ways. When you have no symptoms, it doesn't necessarily mean

01:40:31.340 --> 01:40:36.120
you're healthy. It means you're not, you're not detoxing. And then, and then, you know,

01:40:36.160 --> 01:40:40.680
the detox people get all excited in the natural health world, like, oh, I'm detoxing. It's

01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:46.020
so beautiful. I love this. It's not coming out in the big marks on my face or whatever it is.

01:40:46.540 --> 01:40:51.480
And that's not a good sign. That means you've got full holes in the biles in the blood.

01:40:52.060 --> 01:40:57.440
Right. So I just, you know, this appeal to the romance of, of detoxing. It's like, no,

01:40:58.200 --> 01:41:02.540
it's okay. And it's happening. You don't, you don't want to sit there and be afraid of it.

01:41:02.620 --> 01:41:08.240
But it actually damages. And that's why it hurts when you, when it's your brain hurts

01:41:09.540 --> 01:41:16.340
because it's being poisoned. There were times in Mexico last year, I swear the poison made holes

01:41:16.340 --> 01:41:22.240
in my head. There were places I couldn't feel after the level of pain that I went through

01:41:22.240 --> 01:41:27.680
on those bile dumps was horrendous. So it is, it is nuanced. People say, Oh, I haven't had a

01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:33.640
cold for 25 years. And it's like, you might be a bomb waiting to go off. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:39.760
My mom never ever got a colder flu when we were growing up. And then she ends up with full on

01:41:40.440 --> 01:41:50.220
cancer and dies at 74, right? 20 years earlier than her mother. Holy mackerel. Wow. So she could,

01:41:50.360 --> 01:41:56.600
it might have been better off with a few colds or flus. Well, and she was probably maybe also

01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:03.960
carrying her mother's toxicity, as it does get passed on generationally, which is so misleading

01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:09.600
because we think, Well, what do you mean grandpa smoked till he was 90, you know, but, but then

01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:15.800
the children are getting, you know, the pesticides from the cigarettes, whatever are being passed

01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:22.440
down to the next generation through the mother. You know, so, so it's so misleading. You think

01:42:22.440 --> 01:42:28.980
like, Well, what do you mean? You know, like people think that every child comes in fresh,

01:42:29.160 --> 01:42:37.660
newborn with nothing, no toxicity, just, you know, happy, healthy baby. And no, it's like we are,

01:42:38.280 --> 01:42:43.220
and the one hand, we're standing on each other's shoulders from generation to generation in terms

01:42:43.220 --> 01:42:47.400
of how we survive and what we learn and how we grow. And on the other hand, we're also

01:42:47.400 --> 01:42:54.640
standing under each other's feet, you know, like how we inherited the weaknesses or the

01:42:54.640 --> 01:43:00.600
poisonings of that generation. Like they may have survived to 90. If they weren't doing some of

01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:06.540
those things, they may have lived to 120. You know, that whenever people say, Well,

01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:14.780
she lived to be 95. I'm like, or like, Okay, great. You know, if that's, if that's,

01:43:14.780 --> 01:43:21.780
I do think that we are, we probably are meant to live a lot longer, just like all animals in

01:43:21.780 --> 01:43:30.820
the animal kingdom, they live. You can calculate if you multiply the not at the age at which

01:43:35.080 --> 01:43:40.400
being matures, like when women start to menstruate, and you multiply that I believe

01:43:40.400 --> 01:43:47.360
by seven, then that should be the age that that most things in the wild

01:43:47.360 --> 01:43:54.100
do live until. And we're the only exception and domestic animals, even though my cats live

01:43:54.100 --> 01:44:02.280
to be in their late 20s and 30, only because I fed them raw meat, raw muscle meat, that was their

01:44:02.280 --> 01:44:08.940
main, you know, they might have lived longer if I didn't give them liver and other organs.

01:44:09.380 --> 01:44:17.340
But still, you know, so I just think that it's all on the one hand, we have to envision what's

01:44:17.340 --> 01:44:24.360
possible. And on the other, we have to also embrace where we are. You know, in the world,

01:44:24.440 --> 01:44:31.660
like you said in the beginning, that none of us is living a natural life. We're far from it. So

01:44:32.440 --> 01:44:39.520
it's like, how do we find our way to still enact some of those things that we do need,

01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:46.560
like sunshine and movement and community, you know, which is you're doing it on Zoom. I mean,

01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:52.560
you created the House of Free Will, you know, which is people from, you know, like Maya is in

01:44:52.560 --> 01:45:00.920
Ireland. So we have like creating a sense of community. But it's weird without smelling

01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:06.440
each other. You know, we're not, we're not in the same and we can't watch each other. We can't like

01:45:06.440 --> 01:45:11.160
be like, oh, I'm watching you eat something. And then I see if you get sleepy or not, you know,

01:45:11.200 --> 01:45:16.540
you learn that way too by having a lot of people that you can witness in their everyday life.

01:45:16.780 --> 01:45:21.180
But that's not where we are. That's just not going to happen. You know, I keep thinking,

01:45:21.320 --> 01:45:26.740
like, can we create real life communities and every community I've ever visited or tried

01:45:27.300 --> 01:45:32.580
to, you know, think, like, can I participate in this? They always fall apart somehow.

01:45:33.400 --> 01:45:38.900
You know, it becomes some kind of a weird thing because we're trying to live outside of what's

01:45:38.900 --> 01:45:42.840
happening in the world. Like we want to participate in what is right now.

01:45:44.500 --> 01:45:49.240
Anyway, I didn't mean to go off on that. That's okay. Yeah, whole other topic. But

01:45:49.240 --> 01:45:55.160
I just wanted to answer Sam's question, were they mandatory for travel? There was a few of

01:45:55.160 --> 01:45:59.880
them. A few, I'll have to say no, actually, because the other years I didn't get them,

01:45:59.940 --> 01:46:08.140
maybe because I had them. I think the one was it couldn't have been malaria because

01:46:08.140 --> 01:46:12.340
there's no jab for that. That's medication. That's so poison is never take that stuff,

01:46:12.360 --> 01:46:17.220
by the way, from malaria. Wow, I got so sick. I would I went to take a pill one day

01:46:17.220 --> 01:46:21.540
and I was shaking as I went to take it. And I went, I don't think I want this

01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:28.080
like this. So yeah, I can't remember. I think I think they might have been, I was certainly

01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:36.020
scared into it. And I hope you're joking and being facetious about that kind of weird thing to be.

01:46:36.540 --> 01:46:39.780
And that would be more facetiousness coming on here. I'm praying.

01:46:41.420 --> 01:46:45.740
Facetiousness, yes. Yeah, must be, must be. It's very hard to read on on screen,

01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.980
by the way, if you do a lot of that kind of thing, it's almost impossible to know

01:46:49.980 --> 01:46:53.940
without asking if people are being sarcastic or whatever, but

01:46:54.460 --> 01:46:58.400
your jobs are what travelers get sick from. Exactly. That's the big thing. I mean,

01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:03.080
it's supposed to supposedly be protecting you, but that's upside down world. Oh, yeah,

01:47:03.100 --> 01:47:09.660
this is another natural health cult, Mr. Sam around the ayahuasca. And we had a good chat

01:47:09.660 --> 01:47:15.820
yesterday. I don't know if you caught that with with Joel Schaefer. And we talked about

01:47:17.080 --> 01:47:22.800
psychedelics and ayahuasca, I would put in that category. The reason they affect you is because

01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:28.720
they're poisoning you. I had a natural health boyfriend and that's exactly what he said. And

01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:34.580
he knew tricks for the remedies. And they, they would make me sick. They, you know,

01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:40.660
most people, what do they do barf their brains out on ayahuasca? It's not a pleasant thing.

01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.360
But then they've got the story of like, Oh, well, you're so toxic. So then that medicine

01:47:44.360 --> 01:47:51.140
helped you to purge. And it's like, no, you're having a, an emergency. It's an emergency. You're

01:47:51.140 --> 01:47:58.840
purging the medicine. You're not purging your toxins. Right. Right. Violently. That's not good for you.

01:47:59.120 --> 01:48:04.440
What do you think happens to your whole esophagus when the bile black backs up like that

01:48:05.040 --> 01:48:10.400
with the medicine? So yeah, you know, there's again, spiritual reasons. I think there can

01:48:10.400 --> 01:48:18.040
be good, a good context, but for your health, no, no, and it's not meant to be for everyone.

01:48:18.040 --> 01:48:23.380
From my understanding, it's the shaman of the village who basically sacrifices his nervous

01:48:23.380 --> 01:48:30.120
system for the village. So he has visions. So he's, they feed him, they do, they take care of him

01:48:30.120 --> 01:48:36.980
because he no longer has a functioning nervous system. He sacrifices himself to this world.

01:48:36.980 --> 01:48:43.240
And it's an honor and a sacred act that he's doing, but it's not meant for everyone.

01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:48.240
And he's having the visions. Yes. Of course, if you're on the verge of death,

01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:52.420
you're going to have a lot of visions too. And some people, yeah, I think there is a place

01:48:52.420 --> 01:48:58.380
for it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But I think what I am saying is that it is so misguided

01:48:58.380 --> 01:49:04.340
to think that, you know, somebody living in the city should go off to Peru and,

01:49:04.340 --> 01:49:08.700
and do these journeys and then come back here to this life, like that's going to do something.

01:49:10.400 --> 01:49:17.400
I feel that we need to earn our, our spiritual evolution, you know, not just have it handed

01:49:17.400 --> 01:49:23.880
to us like that because it's really, where's the transformation then? Yeah. Yeah. I was,

01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:29.700
I was a big fan. Like I literally had hunger for those journeys and it wasn't for the partying

01:49:29.700 --> 01:49:36.040
around it or the fun around it. The, the last trips I did alone on my own, it was always to go

01:49:36.040 --> 01:49:42.140
inward. And now I'm thinking about the liver, the damage of the liver and then the crazy visions.

01:49:42.580 --> 01:49:48.640
And really all, if, if I had to add it up, I'm not putting them down or anyone who is finding

01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:55.560
use in it, but mostly what I got was lessons. And it didn't, it didn't do the lesson for me.

01:49:55.560 --> 01:50:02.200
It, it sent me away with the lesson like, okay, now go work on this. Now what you saw or what you

01:50:02.200 --> 01:50:09.280
realized or anything that opened up for you now go make it real or act on it. Okay. Now you know

01:50:09.280 --> 01:50:15.380
your problem. What are you going to do about it? The medicine's not going to ever do it for you.

01:50:15.380 --> 01:50:20.480
And that's what I noticed people would be like every single weekend, they'd be going back to the

01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:27.040
ceremony, going back to the ceremony. And I think getting very stuck, never mind entities that I think

01:50:27.040 --> 01:50:34.540
it makes them attracted to you in that because you have no discrimination. You, you're like wide open

01:50:34.540 --> 01:50:42.660
to all of the forces that be and you know, good, bad and ugly. So yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not, I'm

01:50:42.660 --> 01:50:49.720
not judging anyone for doing it either. But I have very strong feelings about, you know,

01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:55.500
knowing why you're doing it and not becoming like a weekend, you know, like in LA and in Hawaii,

01:50:55.720 --> 01:51:00.880
they have ayahuasca churches. That's what they call it. It's like a church and they go there every

01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:06.800
weekend. And I think that anybody's free to destroy their own body if they want to, because

01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:11.840
there may be something really worthwhile there for them. You know, they may really need to have

01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:17.860
that whatever, you know, that journey brings. But I'm just saying, yeah.

01:51:18.540 --> 01:51:24.120
No, that's very good point about the shamans that it wasn't for everyone that they were sacrificing.

01:51:24.700 --> 01:51:31.800
And also this, the Toad Poison that Stacy's talking about. Now, now I'm putting a few things

01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:37.960
together just lifetime here. When you injure the liver with a poison, it brings up your

01:51:37.960 --> 01:51:44.000
programming that says you're going to die. And it's partly because your body is going like alert,

01:51:44.220 --> 01:51:49.620
alert. There's something going on here. And it is valuable to see the death programming because

01:51:49.620 --> 01:51:54.040
most people suppress it. They don't see it. They don't feel it. They will say it's not like,

01:51:54.280 --> 01:51:58.080
it's not there. Just like, Oh, I have no symptoms. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with me.

01:51:58.620 --> 01:52:05.480
And that can be true, but it might not be true. And so I think that's a big part of that

01:52:06.360 --> 01:52:12.220
poisoning of yourself that you think you gain some, but you don't need poison to bring up your

01:52:12.220 --> 01:52:19.520
death programming. I can scare you myself. Just kidding. I don't like that.

01:52:20.120 --> 01:52:27.140
Maya was just talking about another thing is the sun speeds up detox. Really good

01:52:27.140 --> 01:52:32.120
awareness to have that we'd say, Oh, the sun is natural and it's good. And

01:52:32.660 --> 01:52:39.040
and now I go for five minute tans and I never burn anymore. I go, I go for like,

01:52:39.440 --> 01:52:43.480
and I'm talking about tanning beds. There's nothing natural about a tanning bed at all.

01:52:43.580 --> 01:52:50.160
But do I do better for two, two seasons now where I've been going for a tan at least once a

01:52:50.160 --> 01:52:55.800
week? Yes, way better. I now have a sauna blanket tag mark. I got a sauna blanket.

01:52:56.340 --> 01:53:01.100
So I sweat it out. Is there anything natural about that? No, nothing natural about that

01:53:01.100 --> 01:53:08.240
at all. But but yep. So that's it's good to be very, very wise about the sun for that reason.

01:53:10.140 --> 01:53:14.060
Stacy said, I can tell your diet changed when you moved in with your mom three weeks ago

01:53:14.060 --> 01:53:20.040
because you have dry spots on your face in the liver kidney areas. Yeah. And hello on

01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:25.100
YouTube, the vertical version greetings to you as well. It's funny because they have two

01:53:25.100 --> 01:53:30.260
streams and two chats and you guys aren't seeing each other. That's why I get confused on

01:53:30.260 --> 01:53:34.000
other people's streams. Like, where are the people? I seem to be here and they're somewhere else.

01:53:35.260 --> 01:53:43.900
So take on honey. Yeah. This one in general added sweeteners not recommended because why

01:53:43.900 --> 01:53:49.240
the main thing? Aldehydes, right? They turn do turn into aldehydes in the body.

01:53:49.820 --> 01:53:55.300
Well, it's the it's the pollen, you know, the pollen has is high a.

01:53:56.020 --> 01:54:02.560
Okay. Yeah. And I oxalate and high oxalate to honey. So I oxalate the pollen.

01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:09.920
So every honey is the same. Yeah. I pollen honey. Yeah. If it's like, you can tell some honey

01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:16.940
if it's truly also not really raw and has been cooked or put into hot bottles. I can tell if

01:54:16.940 --> 01:54:22.020
I do a honey, I only get honey from one guy that I happen to know around here and I go

01:54:22.020 --> 01:54:29.460
and he collects it just, you know, very simply and doesn't heat anything. I can do that one and

01:54:29.460 --> 01:54:34.700
it's low pollen, but, you know, you have to see how you feel. You'll know right away.

01:54:35.460 --> 01:54:41.560
Right. Right. And then, and then just to repeat again about the sweeteners that if I'm not

01:54:41.560 --> 01:54:46.820
mistaken, please correct me if anyone here knows, but I believe that your sugar in your in your

01:54:46.820 --> 01:54:53.140
body, whether you take it through honey or maple syrup or white death or brown death,

01:54:53.240 --> 01:54:57.800
which I bet is loaded in vitamin A by the way, like all the coconut sugars and the because

01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:05.480
they're bright brown, orange, yellow, right. And then they store as alcohol in the liver.

01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:11.440
So you're not helping yourself. And I'm pretty sure when Garrett was talking about

01:55:11.440 --> 01:55:17.880
that guy that has a terrible junk food diet, and I'm pretty sure he's talking about the sugars

01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:21.500
turn into aldehydes as well. Right, Pete. Are you talking about?

01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:27.960
No, it was his friend, Mark. I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Yeah. I don't know his friend's

01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:32.240
name and he's on a junk food diet, but it's a low age junk food diet. This is not recommended.

01:55:32.660 --> 01:55:37.360
This is not a good way to go. I'm sorry. He doesn't look good. And I know he's a friend

01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:43.920
of Garrett's and there's no problem between them, but he's not an emissary of, of diet, this, this

01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:50.000
approach to, to eating. And hello, Joe, nice to have you here. Welcome, glad you're there on

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:55.120
Facebook and Sun and Sleep are the masters of healing. Yeah, the, my naturopath would say

01:55:55.120 --> 01:56:00.000
the sun is the best healer. If you know that it's like Maya said, very detoxifying,

01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:05.100
it's going to bring stuff up. Like when I got pregnant with my son, I started getting

01:56:05.100 --> 01:56:10.460
sun rashes. As soon as I would get too much sun, I would break out in this really hot, itchy,

01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:19.060
long standing rash. Why? Because my skin is, is letting go of the toxins. High speed, too high

01:56:19.060 --> 01:56:26.580
speed. Very uncomfortable. Yeah. And sleep is the real healing deal. That's a miracle. I never

01:56:26.580 --> 01:56:31.340
thought I would heal and sleep at the same time, but I am now. And that's like, wow.

01:56:31.340 --> 01:56:35.220
I think I'm actually needing less sleep. I was needing more sleep for, for a while and

01:56:35.660 --> 01:56:43.000
now I'm waking up and I'm awake after six, seven hours and I'm good. But yeah, the Iboga trip,

01:56:43.260 --> 01:56:47.760
I know I've been loosely, loosely following that again, back to the poisoning and the liver.

01:56:48.120 --> 01:56:53.260
I don't, I don't want to be too pessimistic, but I'm kind of waiting for the other

01:56:53.260 --> 01:56:58.000
shooted drop with him because he's also been on the high frequency stuff. Frequency

01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:02.260
is another big topic. I don't know, Dagmar, I bet we're going to have to do part two because

01:57:02.260 --> 01:57:06.780
there's a lot of topics we're not getting to on this. Yeah. If you're, if you're,

01:57:07.020 --> 01:57:13.120
we got to get into the, the Jack Cruz cult. I mean, there's so many cults that, that I just

01:57:13.120 --> 01:57:17.280
want to, you know, and, and not to throw them away, but just, you know, there's something,

01:57:17.480 --> 01:57:23.880
you know, the clock is right twice every wrong, whatever clock is right twice a day.

01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:27.940
Or what is that saying? Yeah. I don't know the saying, but when you set your clock to

01:57:27.940 --> 01:57:34.180
the wrong time, it's right twice a day. Right. That's it. Thank you best for your clarity.

01:57:36.060 --> 01:57:43.380
Yeah. I mean, you know, he's got some points, but my God, I mean, his epipaleal diet, you know,

01:57:43.400 --> 01:57:51.760
which is just eating all tons of bottom feeders from the ocean and eating mostly like fish

01:57:53.380 --> 01:58:00.000
and the high fat and all of that. Yeah. He says that the sun is good for you and blue light isn't,

01:58:00.040 --> 01:58:05.560
but as we're learning on this diet, that really blue light is not the problem.

01:58:06.540 --> 01:58:12.540
I mean, yes, you don't want to have it on, you know, late at night and your computer,

01:58:13.100 --> 01:58:21.960
but yeah. So it's, there's many, many layers to this. And I don't know how these guys,

01:58:23.020 --> 01:58:28.040
I don't know how Jack still is around, but, but I think there's something off about him personally.

01:58:29.220 --> 01:58:33.560
Right. Yeah. I'm not familiar with him. Oh, and Jackie said it's Matt Stone. Yeah,

01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:39.820
that's the guy. All respect to him, but he doesn't look good at all. You know,

01:58:39.820 --> 01:58:45.100
he's not a good example of the love your liver. Garrett is a great example of God.

01:58:46.200 --> 01:58:51.240
I mean, that's a big part. That's a big part. You know, you look at, you look at someone like

01:58:51.240 --> 01:58:58.680
Jack cruise, you're like, Oh Lord, no, or Wim Hof, you know, they may have all kinds of powers,

01:59:00.100 --> 01:59:07.240
or, you know, self aggrandizing sense of themselves, but they're jacked up on poison.

01:59:07.240 --> 01:59:12.880
They're jacked up on poison. And also it's just like, you know, when you, when you're talking to a

01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:18.400
person, you can feel if they're there or not. And I always feel that Garrett is very, very present

01:59:18.400 --> 01:59:24.060
to everyone. And his patience is astounding. You know, when we do the office hours, when people

01:59:24.060 --> 01:59:28.680
come in with all their, their issues and things that they're progressing in this,

01:59:28.900 --> 01:59:36.360
I think his, his, his graciousness in that is just like mind blowing because I would be losing

01:59:36.360 --> 01:59:43.020
it. I know. Oh, I cheer for him every time. You know, like I had somebody reject him the other day

01:59:43.020 --> 01:59:47.680
when I shared it, and it was because they didn't like him. And first of all, I wanted to say, well,

01:59:47.780 --> 01:59:51.640
you know, if you don't like him now, you probably would have liked him a lot less

01:59:51.640 --> 01:59:57.120
back in the start, you know, because he's, he's, you can see the evolution to me. This

01:59:57.120 --> 02:00:02.360
gives people a lot of credibility when you can see over time how they have improved,

02:00:02.940 --> 02:00:09.920
not only his health improved based on his own anecdotal reporting, but his looks changed.

02:00:10.500 --> 02:00:14.500
Yeah. He's got bone structure. He didn't have that before.

02:00:14.780 --> 02:00:20.120
I know. His skull changed shape. He went from, he went from like, God bless him, if you're

02:00:20.120 --> 02:00:23.040
hearing this, but he went from someone I wouldn't have felt was particularly

02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:28.880
good looking to being a very attractive man. Right? Like it's, it, you can vitality,

02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:34.740
it's alive. And like you say, in the shape of the face, he's grown ahead of hair. Now,

02:00:34.780 --> 02:00:38.680
this is not due to just the love your liver approach. He's created a hair growth

02:00:39.260 --> 02:00:45.040
process within his course that you can get access to there, but it's very much part of the whole,

02:00:45.140 --> 02:00:50.880
you know, detox and, and, uh, renourishing kind of plan that he's created there. So,

02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:57.000
yeah, I can't recommend it, uh, enough. And I'm a broken record. Um, Sam just asked about

02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:04.600
almond milk almonds. I discovered extremely high in, is it, is it both oxalates and copper?

02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:13.760
Copper and oxalates are like crazy because the moment you grind the almond, you release even more.

02:01:13.860 --> 02:01:18.820
So it is like the biggest oxalate hit you could be doing even more than eating an almond.

02:01:19.540 --> 02:01:23.020
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Right. So they're, they're kind of dangerous in the milk.

02:01:23.620 --> 02:01:29.840
I don't know about vitamin A. I don't think, I don't think it's a particularly high source of vitamin A

02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:35.180
because it's a light colored food that it's not a guarantee though. Unless you have the skin,

02:01:35.420 --> 02:01:40.800
the skin could have. Right. Yeah. And the skin is bitter. So that's obviously, you know, having,

02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:47.700
yeah, I used to peel those dirt almonds to, uh, dehydrate them, talk about. I still have some

02:01:47.700 --> 02:01:54.700
in the freezer. I still have them. I keep giving my, my son's friend went organic and he'll eat

02:01:54.700 --> 02:02:00.420
anything organic. So I keep like, Oh, here you go. Everybody thinks I'm so generous. Now,

02:02:00.460 --> 02:02:05.840
every time anybody comes over, I go, would you like some way fed, uh, Amish bacon, organic?

02:02:07.540 --> 02:02:11.440
Exactly. I know they're going to eat it anyway. Not that I support it. And I tell them,

02:02:11.520 --> 02:02:17.040
I don't eat this anymore, but I notice you do. So, so. Yeah. Yeah. I gave him all my bacon.

02:02:17.040 --> 02:02:22.260
It was so great to get that out of the freezer actually. Be bread is a beautiful thing. I've

02:02:22.260 --> 02:02:29.160
never heard of that. Might be some in there. Let's see. We have to go a little quicker now

02:02:29.160 --> 02:02:34.220
because I'm going to have to get going. Wim Hof is a Psyop. He killed people with his stuff.

02:02:34.320 --> 02:02:39.060
See, we need to hear his stuff for God's sake. And people are still worshiping at his feet.

02:02:39.780 --> 02:02:46.740
Yeah. And, and he disappeared during the pandemic for like, it was just interesting

02:02:46.740 --> 02:02:53.840
because I've been following him since 2011 maybe. And so he suddenly disappeared. And then he

02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:59.260
reappeared and he's connected to all kinds of intriguing people. I don't know about. Yeah,

02:02:59.320 --> 02:03:05.680
okay. Yeah. And then just for the disclaimer that Matt Stone isn't in the love your liver program,

02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:13.340
neither is Grant, you guys. So if you get taken sideways by Grant, he's not kept up.

02:03:13.340 --> 02:03:18.500
I'm sorry to say, I mean, I love him and he did a great interview here and his discovery of vitamin

02:03:18.500 --> 02:03:26.460
A toxicity is unparalleled, but he never actually followed a good path. He never

02:03:27.480 --> 02:03:31.920
accepted the invitations for, for him to come into Garrett's work and work together.

02:03:33.120 --> 02:03:37.560
There's, you know, so he, he has, he's not a good example by any means. And then he

02:03:38.020 --> 02:03:42.800
bought into the whole team calcium. I honestly, I feel like those guys are plants

02:03:43.340 --> 02:03:51.380
came to disrupt and create division and confusion. And that's, I don't know, I just, I'm, I'm a little

02:03:52.100 --> 02:04:03.500
mad about that still. So yeah, so much, so much to take in here. So I am going to have to start

02:04:03.500 --> 02:04:10.180
to close off for today. And so we'll talk about if we can do part two next week and go deeper

02:04:10.180 --> 02:04:17.180
into this stuff. Or another time. Almond is also cyanide. Yeah. Yeah. Guru

02:04:17.760 --> 02:04:23.400
tempted to do the hair growth thing. And you missed the early birds. And now the price is high.

02:04:23.520 --> 02:04:29.300
Anyone in the chat, anything to say about it? I don't know anyone who's used it only, only Garrett.

02:04:33.420 --> 02:04:39.700
And yeah, so no, he froze people to death. His, his wife's death is linked to him.

02:04:40.500 --> 02:04:44.920
Wow. Yeah. I know of another natural death that's related to the spouse too.

02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:51.560
Jack Cruz is a Bitcoin peddler. Good to know. And there was so many guys whose wives died in, in

02:04:51.560 --> 02:04:58.020
various things that I've, that I've been involved in, you know, mysterious deaths. I even know a

02:04:58.020 --> 02:05:05.460
guy who sent his own mother to the hospital because he created structured water, you know,

02:05:05.460 --> 02:05:10.440
the spinning thing there. You spin the water and you structure it. And the mother drank it and

02:05:10.440 --> 02:05:18.060
ended up in the hospital because it was just, you know, it, it wasn't used to anything like that.

02:05:18.240 --> 02:05:25.320
So you just don't, you just don't, you know, this was, I mean, yeah. So let's save it,

02:05:25.420 --> 02:05:29.480
Dagmar. If you don't mind getting into a new topic here. Next time we're going to talk about

02:05:29.480 --> 02:05:33.780
water, we're going to talk about frequencies. We're going to talk about salt.

02:05:34.640 --> 02:05:38.100
Yes. I can barely contain myself. Don't eat Celtic salt.

02:05:38.700 --> 02:05:44.740
Yeah. So there's now a lawsuit for lead and arsenic poisoning from Celtic salt against

02:05:45.300 --> 02:05:52.220
that company. It is a bona fide class action suit that I have verified. You can go and

02:05:52.220 --> 02:05:56.920
find that or hit me up for that. Also, they've been finding shrimp in the salt

02:05:57.620 --> 02:06:02.160
because it's not clean. Right. So sorry. I had to dump that really quickly.

02:06:02.160 --> 02:06:06.000
We're going to talk all the truth or drugs. They love their ivermectin,

02:06:06.740 --> 02:06:12.860
methylene blue and femme ben. We're going to talk about sulfur we didn't go deep into. We're going

02:06:12.860 --> 02:06:22.120
to talk about the parasite craze. We didn't go deep into the magnet cult. Yes. What else we

02:06:22.120 --> 02:06:27.780
got here? I think what I, the chocolate diet, all that kind of stuff. How about the specific

02:06:27.780 --> 02:06:36.240
carbohydrate diet? Write it down. Write it down. Yeah. Yeah. Like written down here. The anti

02:06:36.240 --> 02:06:42.880
inflammatory diet. They, yeah, we have write them down. Write them down if you can, because I'm

02:06:42.880 --> 02:06:49.060
unfortunately, I literally have to run. And so yeah, this is this is to say the worship of

02:06:49.060 --> 02:06:55.060
plants and the worship of nature. Yes, go outside, be outside, enjoy yourself. There's

02:06:55.060 --> 02:07:02.340
lots of benefits, but don't think that natural is good. This is a logical fallacy. It makes no

02:07:02.340 --> 02:07:08.440
sense. It's possible. We're here for plants and not the other way around. I think plants

02:07:08.440 --> 02:07:14.040
want our bodies under the under them so we can decompose and and give them nutrition.

02:07:15.620 --> 02:07:20.080
Exactly. And, and Jackie, from what I understand, yes, the count, the Celtic salt,

02:07:20.080 --> 02:07:26.760
that's what they say. Oh, it's from France. It's full of garbage. It's, it's, it's not, yeah,

02:07:27.020 --> 02:07:32.460
you need, you need pure salt. Yes. So thank you everyone for coming. We'll add red light

02:07:32.460 --> 02:07:43.020
therapies to the list, but so far that seems good. Yeah. So yeah. And we'll add ketogenic.

02:07:43.660 --> 02:07:48.200
Oh yeah, I have them all listed here, Beth. I'll send you my list. Perfect. Okay, great.

02:07:48.200 --> 02:07:52.680
Great. So with any like Dagmar is available next week and we'll be back on with you Friday,

02:07:53.440 --> 02:08:00.720
the whatever it's going to be plus seven is 19. And same time, two PM central time,

02:08:01.020 --> 02:08:06.480
do stay tuned. I'm just going to really quickly remind you guys that I've got Kelsey on coming

02:08:06.480 --> 02:08:13.740
up next week on the seven 18th to talk about brain food and breath food. She's so, so stoked

02:08:13.740 --> 02:08:20.200
and excited about that. And then the 22nd Alex Michael is coming on. That'll be after the next

02:08:20.200 --> 02:08:26.600
Beth of fresh air. I want to let you guys know that I've got a course that is all ready and fired up

02:08:26.600 --> 02:08:32.720
to go. People are signing up right now. It's the maiden voyage of creator code. And this is the

02:08:32.720 --> 02:08:37.380
answer to what people told me. The problem is that they're having a hard time visioning when

02:08:37.380 --> 02:08:43.480
they think the world is ending. So I am taking people on a 12 week journey. This is how I

02:08:43.480 --> 02:08:47.520
got myself out of a near dead experience that if you didn't catch by the fresh air one,

02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:56.180
I went into very big detail about that. And so until the 15th, this course will come along with

02:08:56.180 --> 02:09:00.900
a free three month guest membership to the house of free will that we mentioned where there's

02:09:00.900 --> 02:09:07.180
deeper knowledge and private meetings. And we're going big into English law to try to

02:09:07.180 --> 02:09:12.920
not to try to disprove but disproving so much of the alternative law crap out there. We have

02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:17.680
our own private little love your liver group where we support each other in a chat and we have meetings

02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:24.880
in fact one tomorrow at noon central time. All kinds of library resources are in there. So if

02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:30.920
you sign up for creator code before or by the 15th, then it comes with three months in the house

02:09:30.920 --> 02:09:36.680
of free will my guest. And the early bird is only on until December 29. So if you're interested

02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:41.800
in going from feeling like you're just troubleshooting the crap in life to wanting to be able to

02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:48.440
put out what's actually in your heart of hearts to create for yourself and for everyone else,

02:09:48.620 --> 02:09:56.180
then it's a really good time to have a look at that. And I think that's all for today. I have a

02:09:56.180 --> 02:09:59.780
Christmas party going to start very soon. We've got a little one coming. So we had to start

02:09:59.780 --> 02:10:04.840
really early. Thank you so much, Dagmar for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you for

02:10:05.440 --> 02:10:11.280
always always fun. My favorite. Nice. Nice. I knew you have a lot to share about this. And

02:10:11.280 --> 02:10:19.800
so we will see you guys all again. I'm going to let's see play us out with another round of

02:10:20.480 --> 02:10:28.120
myself. And now and now for me again. All right, everyone have a beautiful rest of your day.

02:10:28.120 --> 02:10:32.360
So much love to you. And bye for now. Thank you.