and welcome to Beth of Fresh Air. It is December 12, 2025. Sometimes it's fun to say the date just
to ground myself a little bit. And I have had a kind of crazy day. Friends of mine got married.
I wanted to make sure and send a huge shout out to Justin Billingtono and Melissa Martin who
tied the knot today. I was invited to their Zoom wedding and oh my goodness I got the
time zone wrong. I can't believe I did that. I showed up after it was all done. I'm like,
where are all the people? They're like, we're done. They're like, oh darn it. It really sucked.
But I'm excited to be here today and I have a special guest, Dagmar Stansova is going to be
joining me to talk about natural health cults. I am a broken record on this one. It's been
such an awakening. And so we're going to go through a lot of what we've been through. We've
been through the trenches you might say for many years and searching and Dagmar and I both
found your liver path which we're going to talk about definitely. Can't miss that.
And I think, let's see, I just do have a few announcements. Things coming up. Next week I'm
hosting Kelsey Kenney. So if any of you are familiar with her in the love your liver world,
then she's going to come on on the 18th, 3 p.m. central time to talk about brain and breath
food. So I'm pretty excited because she always holds back with her molecular biology knowledge
and I'm just going to tell her to go wild. And let's see what else do we have coming up on
Monday. I'm being interviewed by Joel Schaefer. So I'm not sure exactly when that's going to come
out, but I'm super excited. The interview yesterday with Joel was for me like outstanding,
really power packed. It was all I could do to just hang on every single word because it was
so profound and deep. And I really love that. Coming up in the house of free will this week
we have two meetings. One is for love your liver. That's actually tomorrow. So if you're
not already a member of the house of free will, then it's not too late to send me an application.
And you can find a link in the show notes below. So we're going to meet tomorrow to talk love
your liver. And then there is on the 22nd another round table in law where we're getting down.
Similar theme coming up. Actually on the 22nd, I also have Alex Michael on for a King Hero
interview, who is the music conspiracy guru guy. If you haven't heard his music or come
across him, I'm sure you have. I am really, really stoked for that because he's just awesome.
I love his music. I've been using his music. So Feggio recordings to write to it's really good.
Speaking of writing, I'm going to bring Dagmar on without further ado.
Hello, Dagmar. Welcome. Hello, Beth. Oh my gosh, it's so good to be back here.
Nice to see you. Nice to have you here. And I'm just going to grab our
little menu there. And I just want to say how much I love your your intro music.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's off of one of my recordings that I think you have.
I have a feeling just the whole ambiance of it just feels like it got me kind of grounded
and and you know, in a good space. That's awesome. I'm so glad. Yeah, it has the same
effect for me to have a whole minute of like, okay, all right, just land. Yeah. And hello,
Maya, I'm glad you're here. Hello. Hello. She says that's all I love to say.
Really good. And Lisa, nice to see you again. Thanks for doing this. You needed a breath
of fresh air. There you go. Well, you're in exactly the right place for that.
And so have you been doing Dagmar, writing crazy? Yes, writing, painting the house,
not painting paintings, and just doing a lot of manual labor. I'm so excited, though,
that you're going to have Kelsey and you're going to like invite her to let her hair down and
share all kinds of cool stuff, just like Kelsey unabridged.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're both members of the Love Your Liver Forum,
and we attend her office hours. And every time she goes like really deep on the biochemistry,
she apologizes for that. And I'm like, no, no, we want that. We want that stuff. Bring it on.
And she just has such a beautiful manner of presenting it. You know,
chemistry never sounded so good when it's coming through her. And it feels like,
oh, this is, I don't know, she does something for me.
Oh, and there was Mr. Thor at the door. Welcome. And he's on two platforms. Well done. That's
awesome. There's YouTube now, by the way, streams both a vertical and a horizontal thing.
So I've noticed they actually create two recordings, kind of like a split personality
going on. So that's all right. You might be on one of those. And I'm glad you're here.
Nearly happy holidays to y'all. I'm actually having a Christmas party today, later on,
and just after this, we're going to get together with my farm people and eat loathing food.
That sound for Christmas. Very ho, ho, ho. Yeah, exactly.
All right. Well, oh, natural health. It's heavy.
What a subject. I mean, like, there's just so many ways to enter this one, you know,
and because you've been through it all, I've been through so much. I mean,
especially the last two and a half decades, you know, for, I mean, it really,
it really bloomed in Los Angeles. That's where I was for most of that time.
And it was just like one thing after another. And unfortunately, I didn't know Dr. Garrett Smith then
would have saved me a lot of money and a lot of self poisoning in the name of health.
But I guess I took the long route, you know, I had to go one by one, as I'm sure you did.
I mean, and I gave it full like a year, you know, I would try something for a year,
not just for a week or two. You know, I really went to see what effect it would have.
And, but it's still so hard to connect the dots, you know, because the propaganda or the,
I don't know if it's propaganda, I think people are well meaning, you know,
they think that this is the only answer. So sometimes I don't think it's the conspiracy.
You know, I don't necessarily think everything is a crazy scythe. But, you know, well intention,
we're looking for food, people, you know, we're always looking for ways to nourish ourselves.
And we've gotten so far away from, you know, actually providing our food and being connected
to it that people just really get into anything exotic that comes around. And if they have a
good spokesperson, you know, someone like David Wolf, what a great spokesperson at the time.
And it really worked well when he was young, because a lot of these people are really young.
So they always look damn good, you know, and you go, oh my God, you know, if I eat a gigantic
bowl of greens and tomatoes and every day I'm going to look like her.
And that's the misleading part, as with like right now we have with the methylene blue,
you know, you have all these young, what do you call those people who are influencers, influencers,
you know, and they're young. So no matter how, what crappy shit you do to yourself,
you'll probably still look fine. Exactly. I was just going to go back to a point that
the commitment side is a big part of it. And what I noticed, and this goes along with
the comment about the youth, is that there's a lot of playing at natural health, like it's a game.
And you don't play at something unless you have the luxury to do that. And who has the luxury
to do that is people who have not yet accumulated a whole lifetime of toxicities,
right? So they can take weird remedies and weird drugs and, you know, go on these
VAD diets and not necessarily suffer in that exact time, they're probably setting up future
suffering or pretty much a guarantee. And yeah, so I decided this year that I'll never take
health advice from a young person again. No offense, young people, you know, I love you,
you're awesome. But you don't hold the credibility that someone who's really been through things a
lot could have. And you know, shout out to Garrett Smith because he's not, I mean, he's not an
old guy, but he's not a spring chicken either. And he's, you know, he's got experience,
he was worked with people for many, many years. And when he discovered the
wayward nature of the information that he was bringing innocently, right? Like, this is a
very good point that you made that the hardest part of exposing the natural health scam cult
is that most people have good intentions, right? They actually want to help you,
they want to help themselves, they want to be healthy, they've got the right idea behind things.
But in practical reality, they don't understand how weaponized it is against us.
Yeah, I mean, just even the thing that slowly, like I was looking at the progression of things
that I did over the years, you know, and I marked the ones that really had an impact.
And I saw that really I started to have an understanding and impact when I was willing to
open my mind to the possibility that plant foods have a lot of, you know, you put them in the
toxicology books, you know, that there's a lot of natural poisons, which, you know, as we talked
in Love Your Liver, that it's the duration paradox, that in the beginning, you feel great
because that poison is shutting down your bile and your detox, and so you feel amazing.
But then it starts to go downhill, but then you're already in a mental state where you're
going to deny it, you're going to say, no, no, I just need more of it. Or a practitioner will
tell you, you know, that, oh, no, it's just you haven't taken enough, or you've only been
taking this much, you know, of some Chinese herb or hydrogen water or, oh my gosh, I mean, or chlorella
or spirulina or whatever, you know, is the fad du jour or chocolate, you know, it's medicinal.
It's all medicine, it's plant medicine, you know, that umbrella, that word is now like,
it's like back to the land, plant medicine. We're all natural people, we need our ayahuasca.
Yeah, exactly. And we'll take this a little bit one at a time as well, just to
be more like a little specific and methodical. So you mentioned, for example, if we start out with
David Wolf being the guy who wrote the Sun Diet, what was it, something like that?
He wrote a couple of books, and the Be Beautiful book or something like that.
It's the Sun Food Diet. And it's the raw vegan movement. So this is like
20, at least 20 years ago, I was between cancer diagnoses. I had recovered to some degree. That's
when I came across David Wolf and the raw vegan diet. And it claimed to be able to heal everything.
It's when I started doing green shots of wheatgrass and barfing my cookies up. I remember
the last time I doubled up on my shots and they just came right back up at me.
And there were some obvious signs in that. But because it was so promoted and so, you know,
there was a whole, there was a whole cult in my local community that formed up around it.
You know, we had these huge meetings and raw potlucks. And we all learned these
techniques of whether it was juicing or creating like a raw pie or, you know, all of this stuff that
you just, it didn't matter what time of year that you were, you're in, you're just chomping down on
this raw food. And I don't know about you, but I do know people that went the long haul
with that one, like not just a few years, but they went 20 years on the raw vegan diet.
And they disappeared. Their bodies got smaller and smaller. Now I would know to say that they
actually became an undertype, which is a designation that Garrett uses to describe people who either
lose weight when they get sick or they gain weight when they get sick. Two very different
kind of body types and types. We've got two unders here, right?
Yes. Well, you know, after being on the raw vegan for a while, I became an overtype.
In the beginning I was an under and then I became an over. Yeah.
Yeah. What else were you saying about that?
Yeah. So the raw vegan diet and people like literally disappearing, they're framing
disappearing. Yeah. I've watched many people. It's a great expression. And what does it mean on
so many levels? The disappearance. What a great way to make people disappear. And also the vitality,
the Alan Vitaal of life starts to fade. So you get these kind of people who are really wired.
I remember the guy who used to own Giuliano's, which was this raw vegan restaurant in LA.
I mean, he was so full of the carotenoids and he was just like constantly his nerves were on edge.
He would blow out, you know, it was like his nervous system was slowly degenerating,
but he thought he was just doing, you know, bringing more vitality to himself.
Yeah. I remember that whole and then learning how to basically take anything raw and make a
taste like something cooked. That was the whole point. And you know, and I discovered many
culinary practices, you know, I learned some principles, you know, how to create the
umami flavor, you know, salty sweet sour and fatty and putting that but using nuts and plants,
plant foods and vegetables and fruits, right? So I was so proud of myself like that I could
create these amazing sauces but not use any sugar. I would use a mango instead or an apple or,
you know, some other thing. And you know, I thought it was so I felt like this gourmet,
you know, this raw gourmet and I would make all these chocolates. And I remember,
you know, that whole phase, you know, what that did to me and it became like a drug addict,
but I didn't realize it. I would have never, you know, been able to admit that because I had no
education. And yet I understood chemistry but I never, you know, which made me when I look at
the past, I'm like, gosh, I mean, I was pre-med. I should have just gone and looked at the
chemistry of some of these things. But I didn't because the spell was quite strong with,
you know, people coming in, not that that's an excuse, but I'm trying to like have compassion for
my past mistakes, you know, and see them as part of the path. But and then, and then, you know,
you have people like David Wolf who then talk kind of pretend science. You know, that's part
of the spell where he would bring in so-called science but just pull out certain types of
research that would show how positive the effects of some of these things are.
But all that research generally, as I'm learning now, thanks to Garrett, is that some of those were
just, you know, not longer than six months of benefits, but they don't go further to show
you what happens down the line when the person gets older or when they become pregnant or
something like that. Yeah. Yeah. The short term versus the long term. And what happens in the short
term when say, you know, almost any change that you make to your diet or supplementation or herbs
and everything like that is actually going to create some kind of a response. And we know now
that that response can actually be completely depressing and suppressing the system that
causes detox in the body. The aldehyde dehydrogenase is, is, you know, a big one.
And so when you take something, you take the herb, the supplement or you do the thing,
and then you feel better, you instantly manufacture a belief that it worked.
And so when you go down the line and it stops working, which is inevitable, right? I have 20
years of evidence now since surviving cancer of when things appeared to work and I'd get all excited.
I'd manufacture that belief. I'd keep on doing it. And then when it stopped working,
I still had the belief and I keep doing it. And you were saying earlier about how they always
say, you know, if you say, Oh, that herb didn't work, they would say, Oh, you need to take
so much more of it. And you have to take it, you know, six times a day and all the copious amounts,
that's one of the really big things that happened in, I don't know exactly how that happened in the
natural health world, but it's like go big or go home. So if you've got a little bit of a result
from a small amount, then you're just going to gobb it on. Or, or they would say, Oh,
but you need to take a little bit of black pepper with that turmeric so that it gets
fully absorbed, which is really no different than all these crazy commercials we see on TV,
where they say, if your antidepressant isn't working, then take this to support your antidepressant.
You know, it's the same thing. It's just a different scale. You know, and so when you slowly
start to look at that, it's very unpleasant. You know, but you have to be careful that
you don't become like paranoid and start to think like, Oh, everybody's trying to kill us.
You know, because I do think that that's an important thing to look at when you're looking
at these cults is that you don't want to be like a, you know, terrified of the cult.
You know, you don't want to bring in this, this, because to me, that's part of the
unpoisoning. You know, to me that this diet that we're on right now, or that's not a diet,
it's a paradigm. It's a lifestyle. It's a sort of approach. It's a way of looking at
what we put in ourselves. So it's not really a diet, but it's a way of life. But a big part of
it for me is recognizing the, how do we poison ourselves with our own, the spell that we put
on ourselves? Maybe somebody else starts the spell, but then we keep it going,
like what you were saying, you know, how do we still want that comfort of going? No,
I know this is working. Of course it's working. Even though you're feeling like something's off,
but you go, no, no, no, that's just part of how it's working. You know, it's my detox, you know,
and I would see people on some of these diets that I was on and they were diets.
People would be having mega oozing sores, like the people who do the raw primal with tons of
raw dairy and raw eggs and organs and all that. They would get like an oozing sore or
something really, really intense, but they'd be like, oh no, that's just, you know,
all toxins coming out where it's actually the continual bringing in of toxins.
That keeps it, you know, that the body had to find a way to, you know, an outlet for some of these
things to come out. I just think, I think we're amazing that we're still sitting here considering.
Yeah, incredibly, I don't like that word resilient anymore because it's been weaponized,
but to me that, yeah, I mean, I should be dead for sure if people didn't hear my whole
sad, sad story. I did, there is an interview of Garrett interviewing me on my channel,
on his channel as well, so you can go back to that. And yeah, that classic cliche,
the enemies within it really is, you end up with two sides of it, your own internal
belief system, and then your membership in some cult, right? I now having come to a new approach
with it. I'm out of the cult. I've been removed from the cult. It wasn't even me leaving the
cult. I'm being rejected from the natural health cult now. Not every single person will
just like, oh, that's lost their mind. I'm out of here, but a lot of them are in that exact place
where the allegiance that we have and the relationships that we have based on the unwritten
agreement that we all are down with all of these kind of remedies and stuff like that,
it goes very, very deep. And it offends people to the core when it suggests something else.
I just had an experience of this in the House of Free Will. We were chatting,
and so there's a bit of variety of different kind of arguments against Garrett's approach,
which is, by the way, called toxic bioparadigm for anyone who doesn't know, you can find
him at Nutrition Detective that he's on Twitter and Instagram and his website, nutritiondetective.com,
if you want to follow up with that. And this is one of the things I wanted to talk about also,
is how it makes it, first of all, seem like I'm just in a different cult. And a few people
showed up to back me up and say, oh, no, this is good. But one of the common responses
that I've heard now is that vitamins don't exist. So you can't talk vitamins. And that this was a
recent one where a substance in your body is different than a substance outside of your body.
I wanted to answer this really quickly because I know for a fact, and this is back to Grant
Jenner who discovered low vitamin A as a good path. It is not the only path by any stretch
of the imagination. It's really a sliver of it. It's just a big discovery that if you give a lab
person a molecule, which there's no such thing as a molecule of zinc, it's always going to be
connected to a peculinate or to, I don't know, all the iterations of zinc. It's always connected
to something. And if you give them one that's from the body and one that's from a supplement,
they will not be able to tell the difference. They will not know the origin of that. And so that
kind of proves something to me anyway. And also just the idea, I don't know if you've ever talked
about this, but the concept of dry chemistry and live chemistry, you know, I mean, there is like
dry chemistry is just you're doing it outside of the body of putting things together. But then
we really don't know, except through our own experience, what happens when you put something
in your body. You know, I mean, that there is research on that too. But I just find that fascinating
that people will say, Well, this chemical is for this. Well, not for everyone. You know,
we are slightly different, all of us in how we remove poisons from our body or how we deal
with things that our body doesn't want. You know, we'll have different strengths and different
weaknesses. Yeah. Yeah. So that that that's a foundation of it that we are all actually unique.
But this is also a weaponized kind of thing, because then we'll say, Oh,
it's a poison for you, but it's not a poison for me. That's just a load of crap poison is
poison. And yes, you may deal with it differently based on your age, based on
your condition, based on your climate, all kinds of things based on your beliefs,
all kinds of things. Poison is poison. Poison is poison, no matter, no matter how you,
how you look at it. So I actually, I, Kai, Kara, I'm on 11, I'm still trying to pronounce your
name. I was, I did have fasting on the list. So we can definitely get into that. And hello,
learning time. Welcome. I'm glad you are here. If you don't mind helping me share out about the
fresh air, by the way, it just tends to, it's stupid. I can get off the stream and look at it
at that video. It has less views than it had people on the live. These do turn into podcasts
after the fact we're live right now on Facebook and YouTube X rumble and even vigilante TV.
So, did you ever do any fasting, Dagmar?
Yes, of course. Come on. There's nothing that I haven't tried or done. But before we go into the
fasting, I just wanted to say something that you mentioned in the, what you sent out to people,
you know, the, the, the two sides of accepting everything and then also rejecting everything.
You know, because you were kind of talking about that. And, and what I'm, I'm running into
that now with people who, because they've been through so much. And if I, they asked me,
what are you eating now? You know, and, and, but then they, this is one of those things that
people go into like, oh, you know, okay, you know, no, I just, you know, I just have to live my
life. You know, I just have to live my life and do it, you know, not another thing. I can't
do another thing. So it's like the all out rejection of something. And then at the
same time, that same person, if, if someone comes in with a story or narrative that appeals to the
part of them that is either frightened or frustrated or whatever, they will, they can jump in and go
all in, you know, to, so it's really interesting. Yeah, there's fatigue that happens over time,
right? There's so many people that said, oh, this is the bomb. This is the way
you just have to do this and everything's going to go perfectly. And, and then you get,
you get down the line and you're just like, wow, I've, I've put in a lot of time, energy and money,
right? Because you invest every single time you, you make a turner, make a choice of some kind.
And, and yeah, that, that fatigue, even my son, he says to me, mom, what makes you think this
is the truth? Because he's seen me come through a number of iterations. And I, you know,
I ruined him and poisoned him along the way. And so it's kind of hard to live down. But, but yeah,
that, that accepting everything with a kind of like open trust spirit and the, the, you know,
lovers of nature, they're just, oh, it's natural. I'm going to put it in my body without even
looking at it. That's, I mean, I did that continuously over the years. I would literally
hear something on the grapevine or someone would send me a single text or I would read one crappy
article in a natural magazine without any receipts or references or real research attached to it. And
I'd be like, I'm on it. I'm going to, I'm going to do that in a lot of it. I'm making the cabbage
soup. Remember that one? The cabbage soup diet? Oh, that was, I'm all kinds of craziness. But
as far as fasting goes to what you were saying before, I have done it. And all I found was that it
put me just like cold water plunging, you know, put me into a fight or flight state that felt good
in the moment, you know, and maybe psychologically, it made me feel like, oh, it's just like being
able to hold your breath a long time. Great, you know, it's, it, I mean, it does have
certain pluses and it will, you know, reveal to you what state your body is in as far as,
you know, oxygen and all that. But I don't know if I want to hold my breath for longer than three
minutes every day, you know, maybe that's not the best analogy, but the fasting for sure,
I found that it just made me feel good for a moment. And then sometimes it just made me
feel horrific from the very beginning throughout. And it just felt like I'm starving myself. And I
felt I would have terrible nightmares. And every time I look at the fasting people who do that,
they don't, they don't feel like they've got, you know, that's not to say that for some people,
yeah, maybe it might make you feel better depending where you're at in that moment,
if you're so, so, so, so toxic that having a few days of not poisoning yourself with the same food
that you're always eating, you may need, your body may need that break and just even that will give
you some relief. But again, the moment you start eating the same stuff you've always been eating,
you're right back where you were before. Yeah, exactly. It's funny because I outright rejected
fasting in my mind. It was just like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to explain why
I'm not doing it. I'm not going to research this. I always heard people's like, oh, it's the best. You
feel like a million dollars. You get so much energy while you're fasting and you point it out
because it puts you in fight or flight. That's why, because it jacks up your adrenals and you're
going to live on adrenaline and cortisol until your body can get food. That's the only way
it knows to manufacture some essentially fake short-term energy at high cost. And so, yeah,
it completely burns out your adrenals. Also, to me, this really fits into the agenda that we're
in right now, the depopulation agenda, getting us used to starvation, because that's how
they took populations out. It was just by destroying a food supply or, you know, in our
case, like the prices and the supply chains and all of that kind of stuff that I know when 2020 hit,
I actually went into a weird place of eating much less. And it was to try to prove to myself that
I didn't need food if they took it away. So that's pretty bleak. And yeah, that feeling good,
I just want to repeat it. Sure, you might feel good because of the adrenaline and also
because you're not putting toxins in your body at the same rate, but you cannot detox without food.
I apologize. Can you talk for a minute while I go get the door? Oh yeah, go ahead. I can't be right
back. So we were talking about, oh, I'm having a niacin flush, by the way. It's like, oh my god.
So what was I going to say about fasting? It puts you into fight or flight,
but you feel good about it, which is so ironic that you have something that generally is a really
bad thing, starvation. You know, when you're starving, and then you create an art form from
it, so to consciously starve yourself. That to me seems like there's something off about that,
something anti-life, like the whole idea of the disappearing thing that Beth brought up in the
beginning. Fasting to me is another version of having us disappear, you know, to disappear into
this place of starvation. Like, why make an art form out of starvation when it's nothing that
we ever strive for? Is it any goal of any human being to ever experience starvation?
It's the last resort, you know? And so people are like, oh yeah, fasting is so good for you.
I'm like, what in what world is starving good for you? I know. I know. It just would have
been so insane to our ancestors who were starving and had a hard time finding food. So
I just wanted to go back to a comment before we lose it. Mary said it feels like the poison acts
differently in different people according to their existing toxicity. And that's exactly,
that's exactly right. That, you know, a more toxic person, a little bit of poison can be
a huge insult to them. It can, you know, put an end to their good day, for example.
And somebody who's relatively clean can also have a strong reaction to a poison because they notice
it compared to, you know, you've got a slew inside and you throw a few more drops in there. You don't
notice it nearly as much unless your liver's on that edge. And I've been in that place where,
you know, a half a cup of coffee and I feel absolutely terrible.
Yeah. And the body knows how to die slow is obviously just going to add to that about fasting.
And that's what it's doing when you're fasting. It's ridiculous. And, you know, it's,
it's tragic. But I did, I did hear of somebody who died fasting this year. And that's,
again, due to just the beliefs that people have.
Yeah. And it's, and it's, and when you're dying slow, you become very alert, you know, like when
the, that's the, that's the whole joy of that adrenaline rush or whatever you want to call it
or the cortisol or, you know, the post runners high, you know, your body thinks it's being torn
apart and something terrible is happening. So you're alert. And people love that. It's a,
it's a great feeling to be super, you know, hearing well, seeing well, you know, fully present.
But I prefer to be present through my parasympathetic nervous system, rather than through that one,
even though sometimes I, you know, if there's somebody chasing me or if I see a weird person
walking across the street, I want that rush that will alert me and be like, Oh no, go
further away from this person. You know, it's not to say that I don't want that,
but I don't want to be creating it myself or making that a lifestyle.
Exactly. It's very expensive. It requires a great deal of energy input. And it's not
sustainable over time. And, and you don't heal in your sympathetic nervous state. You only heal
in your parasympathetic nervous state. So yeah, being in that what creates hyper vigilance,
which, which you like better than being like all sleepy and, and out of it. But yeah, it's not,
it's not a healing place by any stretch of the imagination.
Yeah, I was going to say quickly that when my digestion broke down literally 100%,
I guess three or maybe going on four years ago, the last resort that the person I was
working with at the time told me to fast. So I was already way in trouble, intensely in trouble.
And then their conclusion was the food was causing that trouble. It was partly right. But it was,
you know, nine days in, I practically went insane. There was it was some of the hardest
times going to try to go to sleep every night and my body's like screaming for nutrients.
And I'm denying and I'm using all my spiritual power to overcome, you know, and releasing
this fear of dying, which came up in Technicolor. So that's where, you know, there can actually
be some spiritual goodness from fasting. That's the one reason that I think if people are called
to that, not that someone could come and prescribe to you to do that. But if you feel called to
do that for your spirit, there definitely can be benefits, but it's not physical. There's no
physical benefit there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, you know, coming off the fast and that's
like, Oh, you have to do this and you have to do that. And it's like, no, your body's just going
to keep reacting the same way it was, because it's like going, Yay, I can detox again.
I remember the very first fast I did, I was working on one life to live. And one of the
other actresses in there, she's like, let's go to one of those fat farms for the weekend.
And neither one of us was fat. Okay. But we went to this place where they just, you know,
you fasted for two days and they gave you all these juices and things. And I was just like
dying there. And first thing as we're going home on the bus from upstate New York,
she pulls out her candy bars and her sodas. And she just starts, you know,
starts doing the same thing as before. But, you know, she goes to this place, you know,
every month. So it's like this, it's like this mad, what do you call that,
wheel hamster wheel, you know, where she just keeps, you know, managing it a little bit, not even.
And then, and then thinking that, you know, that's all I have to do is every month go and fast,
and then I can do whatever I want. Yeah, that that the cleanse craze, the weekend cleanse,
the, you know, gallstone flush or, or whatever it is. And then you go and you come away with the
belief that, oh, my liver is clean now. I know, I know, I just, I just heard somebody who did a
liver flush. And, and that caused his whole body to go into this major, major meltdown
where he had to be hospitalized. I mean, that's, you know, you take these herbs, which are
basically the poison in a very big, large dose. And he's been accumulating it obviously over decades.
And then, you know, it's, it's just amazing. And you never hear about this, you know,
people won't ever tell you that a liver flush could could cause all kinds of things.
I mean, that's just one out of hundreds of things that are out there, like the whole
colonic craze, too. You know, whatever you can do, whatever you want, just make sure you get
your weekly colonic, or that you do your enema every day. I mean, it's not a lifestyle, you know.
What do you see wrong with the, with colonics, just like the frequency of them
or relying on them? I think for me, just the, like my, you know,
farm or common sense that any, that things should be coming down over there, not up.
And in large amounts like that. And I think that it's just causing your body to not have to
function and the muscles and everything else, you know, is being blown out and overexpanded.
To me, that's, yeah, I'm not a, I'm not a big fan. Oh, I've done them, but I just, they're kind of
like a false cleansing, you know, like the same idea, like you were saying, you know, that people
will take these herbs and they go, now my liver's clean, you know, and they think, okay, I did a
colonic, now I am cleansed. It's, it's deep, it's deep psychological stuff, you know, that
like the kind of work that you do is, is the thing that is very important to do with this kind of,
you know, lifestyle practice, that you stay on top of who's talking inside, you know,
what part of you feels like it's so filthy and dirty that it needs to be cleansed and needs
to be blessed, you know, now you are now clean, my child, you know. So Mary was pointing out
that it's actually unnatural. They, now I used to do a lot of colonics and it would help a lot,
because I would always err on the side of more back being backed up than the other way around.
But yeah, it's totally unnatural. And I have been become an extremely big fan of niacin enemas.
I dumped the coffee that that to me is a cult, they're clearly caffeine is a poison and my
body doesn't agree with it by any means. So yeah, but it is unnatural. And then, and then
that's where the natural fallacy comes, right? That's the, that's the logic that if it's
natural, it's good. If it's unnatural, it's bad. And these are not, this is not knowledge
in either case, right? First of all, I'm curious what you have to say, but first of all,
we don't live in a natural world by any stretch of the imagination. It's not God's intention
that we end up so toxic accumulating over time, like the trees and a ring, you can see the lifetime
of the abuse that the liver has taken. And, and then what I noticed about the niacin enema
compared to the coffee enema, the coffee enema, it felt like it was more of a dependency,
like that was something that I needed. The niacin enema, it actually heals my gut,
so it works by itself. And, you know, there will be times where I rely on it more,
especially if I want to take things like charcoal that tend to back me up as well.
And, but then, you know, I'll do one and I'll be good for days and days and days in a row.
So that's, that's the sign. And over time, I'm noticing like when, when your colon gets that
direct hit of niacin, it heals the holes that are there. I had a bile dump yesterday and I noticed
that it didn't go into my blood this time. Are those holes? I know, I know. Like, that's so
cool. I literally didn't get symptoms. I didn't get a headache. I didn't get snotty. I didn't get
all of the kind of things that can happen when bile goes into your blood and that's like, that's,
that's kind of a good change. Yeah, I've been doing a lot of fascia work and man, that stuff is
intense. I realized like, oh boy, you really have to do a very, you can't do it every day or
every other day even because every time you're pressing deep or into any tissue, you are
basically squeezing out the, you know, I see our body is like this brilliant suitcase
that knows how to wrap things and keep them, you know, kind of there until the hallways are
clear. You know, I kind of see like these hallways. I think Garrett said that once, that it's like
this hallway that's all, you know, cluttered, full of stuff. And then the inner maids inside
us are trying to keep up and go, oh, where do we put this stuff? So when you stop taking
in all that stuff, you know, the hallway isn't as cluttered, so the maids can go, oh,
let's check out this room, let's go in here and see what's in there. Oh my god, there's a drawer and
there's stuff in the drawer and they can slowly start to bring things out and they keep being
slowly, at least I think for older people. So I'm kind of like, I feel like I guess I'm the
experiment myself is seeing, you know, how does a person in past 65 deal with this kind of thing,
you know, how what's what, and again, you know, it's just only you know, only you can acknowledge
to yourself, like, is this moving too fast or is it moving too slow, without diluting myself.
But when you have so much more scientific understanding, you know, which this paradigm
does provide, and it's the best thing that I've ever encountered in my 50 years of exploring this
kind of stuff, you know, then you have something that you can you can think about it yourself,
you can start to put things together. And it's not just a belief, it's not just, oh,
I have to have faith in this, you know, you can you can try things. And that and that's
what I like about this paradigm is that there is an there's an openness and but there's also
it's easy to close certain doors, which before I wouldn't be sure about, I'd be like, well,
maybe I should explore this. And now I'm like, Oh, no, no, absolutely no need
to go down the path of adding another poison, right, that may have fantastic results.
You know, with with so called research papers, but we're all being slowly trained to be able to
read these these research papers. So it's harder to pull one, you know, over the wool over our eyes.
Exactly. And there's always going to be more. I'm just just expecting that Garrett's going to
keep finding new things, as will you or me or Kelsey, you know, that that are the other
people who are on this journey, because it's, you know, nothing is done. It's like we're constantly
going to different levels. Exactly. Exactly. Before we get too far forward, I just wanted to
I will stop trying to pronounce your name, but apparently someone got a Nobel Prize for
research on fasting. Well, first of all, I'm going to go I'm going to go hyper skeptical. And
who gets Nobel Prizes? Are these are these the good guys? Are these the guys that are really on
the cutting edge and doing something helpful for humanity? Or are they the ones that the system
is voting to be in the forefront? So that to me right away is a tell of some kind that that he
was funded to research starvation, which fasting is and then proved autophagy. Yes,
autophagy is real, but that the body shouldn't be eating itself. Well, that's not natural.
And but even if it is, if it's doing it naturally, well, it's not the body. I feel that we have every
bacteria, fungus, whatever are all around us in us. And if there is something to be eaten,
like dead tissue, let's say, then yeah, the body is constantly trying to clean itself.
The body is trying to not die. Yeah. And so it will eat garbage. I've ever seen, you know, a sick
rabbit animal eat garbage off the street or their own feces or, you know, that it's a really sad thing.
But but yeah, that's death. That's the body taking desperate measures. Yeah. And so to call
autophagy something to take that philosophy and turn it into something like, Oh, yeah,
this is good. Just like saying that rocket fuel and breast milk is good because it is in breast milk.
That doesn't make it great. Just because autophagy happens doesn't mean that it's something that we
want to keep, you know, inviting. And as the cells are renewing themselves all the time,
they're dying and being reborn constantly. So that's a natural process that's going on inside
us. So it's not like we want to imitate the death process and speed it up.
Exactly. Yeah. As if your body's not going to go through autophagy. It is. It's got that
intelligence. It knows to get rid of the old and make the new. I wanted to address this
next comment as well. I'm sorry for your friend, by the way, Mary, but you asked,
how do you know when you have a bile dump? And this is a really important question that
it was hard for me to understand at the beginning when I was first interviewing Garrett.
When he said bile dump, I would say, like, yay, right? Like that sounds good. You want to dump
the toxic bile and get it out. But what was not part of the picture then was the fact that
people's guts are full of holes. That as the bile accumulates toxicity over the lifetime,
it becomes more and more toxic. They talk about a bile recipe. It literally eats its
way through the holes of the biliary tubes that connect your gallbladder to the liver.
It eats right through the colon, the small intestine. And so the bile dump is referring
to when the bile gets out of the gut that could otherwise handle toxic bile and it gets
into your blood. And then it goes everywhere willingly. So the sign of a bile dump can be
many things, but headaches, very classic, ear aches, classic, eye infections, classic.
Or tooth aches, too. Tooth aches, exactly.
Joint pain, especially stiffness around the neck. Yeah.
Yeah, body pain all over, exactly. What we call cold, the seasonal detox that everybody's
been going through, the high speed snot out the nose or the coughing that goes on.
Nausea is a bile dump. That's bile backing up into the stomach where it should not be.
That's why it feels thick from it. And so yeah, those are all signs that your body is not coping
with the bile that it has. There's a certain amount, in fact, like 95% of the bile we circulates
in the intrahepatic system. And then you want to be releasing down and out the other bile
that actually stimulates your body to eject. Just gross talk or whatever.
I learned to talk about poop here, I tell you. Yeah, you got it. You got it. You got it.
Yeah, one of the gifts. And hello, Veronica Schwartz. Nice to see you. So yeah, I hope
that makes sense. Emil, good to have you here. He says one should never fast unless they have a
certain level of vitality to begin with. Also, yeah, that was a very bad call when I was
in trouble myself. And then I started fasting. It was, oh man, talk about disappearing act. It
was really freaky. People with sleep nervous issues should also think twice about fasting
until they get those under control. Yeah, yeah, I do not recommend it. And it's a good care
to cancer arthritis and many diseases caused by the accumulation of toxicity. If you're still
talking about fasting, I'll say no, absolutely not. It's not a good cure for those diseases.
It stops the cure. It stops your body from detoxing. You detox with food. You need certain
nutrients to detox. For example, if you have vitamin A, you're consuming. Do you know
the biochemistry really well on this one, Dagmar? What iterations the vitamin A has to go through,
including like its stores as esters? Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't know it.
Okay, I keep eating too. But it is. But each reiteration, in a way, gets more toxic. And
it's also dependent on the kind of bacteria that you have, which can then make it even more
toxic. So it's not for the faint of heart. And you do have to know that you're on a journey.
I think probably only when you're older, but I think maybe younger people have an easier time
with it. There's more leeway. The body can handle a lot more, less has been stored.
Yeah. Yeah, I've watched some younger people that I work with at a farm and they're going through
and not having any dramatic effects because they weren't that toxic to begin with. It's just a good
adaptation that they've made early. I look at my son, he's only
intoxced for 18 years. Well, it's really different. He's starting to notice now.
He's starting to discriminate that when he eats certain things, he feels terrible.
And it's like, okay, so that's good. I hope that doesn't mean he's more toxic.
This is interesting. Emile said, did you want to say something, Dagmar?
I was just thinking about Dr. Chafee, who's the carnivore guy. He just eats muscle meat and water
and salt. And for someone like him, he became aware in medical school, he was told by one of
his professors that plants are basically poisoning us. And he stopped at a very young age
eating all these poisons. So for him, it's a whole different experience. He's not on this diet,
but he's on a carnivore diet, which basically means he's not taking any fiber.
So wherever he started it at, that's where he's going to stay there.
So it's interesting, your history really does matter. And your parents' history,
you know, I just found out that my mother had what do you call it,
jaundice? What's the word in English? Hepatitis, when she was pregnant with my sister.
And big difference between our temperaments. Certain things I never put together. And I
looked at my past, you know, what happened to me emotionally throughout my life,
and how my diet changed during those times, and what I was, you know, consuming at that time.
It affects your whole, your whole being, you know. But go on, what were you going to say?
I was just going to address this, that Emile's saying people need to keep in mind that therapies
are not lifestyles. And that's a really good point, because should you need to be on your
therapy continuously, then it's not working, right? That that's the idea about a therapy. You do it,
you take it. That's one of the things that is unique to Garrett Smith's approach, is that
when people get on, say a supplement, they might need a certain amount of zinc, selenium,
molybdenum, whatever it is, they might need a lot more at the beginning. And then as they detox,
they need less and less. Why? Because your body's not needing those nutrients to move out the
poisons. You know, so then that's a really good testament to the fact that it's
working. And way better than those that would say, oh, you're going to need to be on this
for the rest of your life, which is the case with most drugs, right? When you go on something,
the doctors tend to say, oh, you'll probably have to stay on that sleeping pill,
or you'll have to keep taking your blood pressure medication into affinity. Yeah, exactly. And so,
yeah, that's that's a sign that it doesn't work. And hello, quietly content bear. Nice to see you
here. And Mary said, I think that claim that it's a cure is because they're not ingesting
anything, which includes the poison exactly at which we which we mentioned earlier about
fasting. Yeah, they're just not they're not intoxing. So there is a certain magic to that,
especially if you have a very toxic diet. So let's see, I wanted to just go back and quickly
address something you're talking about the the fascial stuff. And there was a very big trend
of deep tissue massage to go to a practitioner and let them beat the crap out of you. So I've
always been one of those that when people do that, when I get on someone's table and
and they start really muscling in and digging into my body, I'm like, no, no, that hurts,
get away from me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna hurt you too, kind of thing. In fact, the last time I had
a massage, I came away with, you know, I at some point I said, you know what, you think this
pain is is is helping me. And I was in a really vulnerable place. I was sick. And I'm in
Mexico. And, you know, they sent this angel and and what ended up happening, I got so
enlightened to this and it made me realize why I have avoided massage therapy. I like I literally
just psychologically, I didn't go because I don't want to argue with them about their
tools and their techniques and everything like that. And I don't, I don't want to say to
them back off 27 times during a single massage because they don't know how to do it.
And so I just, I was just like, no, it's just a no, I'm just not gonna do that. And then it was
Garrett told me, because after that massage, I felt way worse. What did she cause a bile dump?
And I was already having an exaggerated bile dump. I was already very, very sick to a point
of fever. So, so she comes in and made it way worse. But the belief is that she made it
way better. So she she projected back on me that I must have so much trauma and so much grief and
it must be I must be so damaged. That same same experience. And I didn't know it then. I know it
now. Well, I literally had somebody do this very specialized deep tissue work in Los Angeles.
And two minutes after she finished doing deep tissue work, I started to burp nonstop. I had
like a major, I didn't know it then I bloated, I had a major bile dump that lasted like four weeks.
And I couldn't eat anything. I had no idea what was going on. But she by going deep into the
hip, which is where I had all kinds of accumulations, right? Because I was doing raw
milk and all this kind of stuff at the time. And I had no idea what was happening to me. I mean,
normal person would have gone to the hospital. But I could not stand up straight. I couldn't eat.
I could hardly walk. I had no and you know, it was like the dump of dumps. Now, if I had known
what I know now, it would have been gone in a day or two. But then it was just like,
what the heck is going on? Yeah, no, I was so glad to hear that that now now I go to an osteopath
and she's so gentle. Sometimes you can barely I can barely tell that she's touching me.
You know, it's really subtle, almost almost a little bit too subtle might like a little bit more
just obvious something around, you know, I don't know, doing something. But it's just way
better. And it very clearly puts me in a healing state. And I've seen energy move had, you know,
she just touched one place around my gut yesterday and and my whole leg starts to shimmer with
blood flow. There's this like she said it was about it creates a vast it can create a vascular
reaction. And it was just like a liveness in my body happened because she she was in the right
spot. And it's very gentle. And, you know, I didn't feel like kicking her after it was it was perfect.
Man, I was oh, I was left with a lot of a lot of anger about that going against my own instincts.
This is what happens, right? I I deferred to her belief that this is what I needed. And and
then yeah, so I was I I actually got traumatized by that.
You know, it's and it's so common that when people get a massage and then they're lying down,
but they get all stuffy and congested, you know, and nobody talks about like, what the heck is
that about? You know, it's like everything gets stimulated and you start to, you know,
all your all your your sinuses and everything starts to dump. Exactly. Exactly. But you think, oh,
this is all so good for me. Right. Right. Exactly. Okay, so let's see if there's anything else.
Here we go. What was I going to talk about the we kind of passed by juicing that was a very big
craze that's everybody needed to get the $800 juicer. By the way, does anyone want to buy an $800
juicer? I'm now selling mine. The only thing the juicer is still good for that I occasionally use
it for is when I juice some ginger and I keep I and I mix tiny bit of ginger with like a big jar
of honey and I keep that in the refrigerator and it lasts for years in case I ever have a really
big bile dump and I need something. So I just, you know, put that drink a little bit of that. But
that's about it. There you go. Yeah. It's that remember that it's that medical medium guy that
everybody started listening to when he put out the, you know, the thing about celery juice.
I remember in Los Angeles, you could not get celery in any, all Whole Foods were out of
celery because everybody was buying it to juice, including yours truly.
It's disgusting, you know, but you convince yourself and, and, you know, that's, I think
Garrett described that really well about how are, how, how addictive we are that we can
make the worst tasting thing seem like it's, it's okay. It's fine because in case there's
nothing else to eat. So we can, we can get used to eating bitter, disgusting, poisonous things
because it's better to eat than not to eat. Yes, exactly. We want to starve. We so don't want
to starve that we will eat all kinds of things that are not even delicious. You know, so,
yeah, the juicing thing, that was a killer for me. And I kept doing it. I just kept,
and every time I go by a store that would, you know, make juice for you, I'd be like, okay,
I'm going to get some because it's full of minerals and full of potassium. But it was just loaded,
loaded with carotenoids and oxalates, which was, you know, one of the pathways that led me to
this was the, the, the poisons in the plants. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was in the green cult. I had
this was sort of self generated in a way. I just decided that everything green was good.
Chlorophyll was like blood. And that I'm taking that in. And yeah, I would, I would juice,
you know, ahead of cilantro or a bunch of cilantro, a bunch of parsley, a bunch of dill,
dill turns out to be heavy metals, cilantro removes heavy metals.
Exactly. And it's kind of the other way around that stuff is chock full of copper.
You guys, oh my goodness. That's another big cult is that copper is a nutrient. But,
but yeah, the greens, I just couldn't get enough green vegetables and stuff enough green vegetables
down my kid's throat. And, and you know, the interesting part that can be really deceiving is
that poisons are stimulants, right? Whether it's greens are stimulants, because I would
literally get high on my green juice. And I'm feel like, Oh, wow, energy. I'm alive now. I'm really,
I'm really doing this good thing. I didn't realize my body's being poised, poisoned,
and is setting off the endorphins to protect me from the pain of the toxicity, right?
Yeah, the endorphin high. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's that's a big part of my platform is to
teach people the difference between high and aware, really different and more addicted to the high.
And the aware can be almost invisible in the face of being high, which is a much more like,
you know, big experience, so to speak, or gross experience. I don't mean bad, just big.
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So those greens, I'm so happy. I don't have to chase the greens.
Oh, my God, right? Like grocery stores in the winter here was the biggest greens. And yeah,
I'd be eating that awful stuff because I felt like I needed it. And then I would go and graze in
my garden. I couldn't eat enough lettuce for breakfast. And it was the years after I was
gardening. And doing that is a lifestyle being in my garden every morning that I had the major
breakdown. So yeah, that clearly wasn't working for me. And all that time and money saved,
because I used to grow tomatoes too, but then I would peel them and remove the seeds.
And then all this energy finally, when I liberated myself of that whole like, oh,
I'm going to grow my own food. I'll grow food for the animals to eat so they can eat the food
and clean the food for me through their liver. And then of course, not eat their liver,
which I used to also do, liver pills and all of that. I mean, I love having an empty
refrigerator or not like, but just not full of every, eat the rainbow. And I no longer have
the rainbow of vegetables and fruits in my refrigerator. It's just so much more spacious
and elegant and easy to have, you know, your everyday life, your everyday preparation for eating.
The summer was like hell for me, because we would have access to all the
fresh vegetables and fruits in a way we don't in the winters here. And so my fridge,
I literally would have to put my foot on the door sometime to get it to shut. And like just
the chaos of all of this copious amounts of produce all the time. So yeah, I echo that.
Now I have a relatively empty fridge and it's a beautiful thing. It's when I put stuff in there,
there's room. So yeah, yeah, space is good. Space is good. It goes against our, you know,
because part of the starvation threat is that we should prep and we should have,
you know, great big full pantry or garage full of canned goods. And I've been scrambling to eat
my props because there's like, you look at the thing and it's like, Oh yeah, expired. Oh,
expired. Another can expired. And it does matter. Sure, sure you probably could eat it in 25 years.
But what's it going to be like? You know, is that going to be food of any kind anymore?
Anybody wants any sardines? Oh God, I collect sardines and salmon from like this really cool
company, you know, most sustainably, you know, caught and all this wild and I'm like, Oh my God,
what do I do with these? If there's ever any, if there's ever any need to feed the neighborhood,
I can do that. Yes, yes, exactly. I was pretty happy that I had prepped the black beans because
they're pretty easy to get organic and in cases at Costco and stuff like that. So luckily,
me and black beans get along really well. I know they're not the best of the love your
liver top at the top. But for some reason, I just I get along with them. We grew a bunch of
beans and dried them. I'm actually going to get them today. They're going to bring a bunch. I bet
they're not shelled. So I might have some work ahead of me to say the least. But yeah,
Elisa said one girl and a weekly CSA feels like being a scullery made for sure. Do you
know what that is? Scullery made? Kitchen bitch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who said that? Scullery made.
I haven't heard that. Yeah, yeah. I used to affectionately call myself a kitchen slave.
And this is another massive benefit of going through the love your liver. Being being in a
love your liver approach to food is that it's effortless. Oh, my goodness. There's some there's
there's a more pre thinking because I want to eat protein first thing in the day. And if I
don't have some leftover protein from the day before, then I've got to start. Oh,
I'm going to start getting some out of the freezer or getting some fresh meat and the cooking and all
that kind of stuff. But if I plan a little bit, then my meals are minutes to prepare. I'll make
a bunch and freeze a bunch because it's just instant to get it out. And now instead of having
nine vegetables on one plate, I will have asparagus or I'll get really fancy and do asparagus
and celery together or celery and parsnips, which are all light low vitamin A, by the way,
vegetables. And it's just so much simpler. You've got three things you got to meet and you've got
a carbohydrate and you've got a vegetable and it's done. I've even eliminated the vegetable.
So mine is even faster because it's just pretty much just, you know, the fiber and the protein.
Right, right. Yeah, I'm not sure if I habituated myself because I've been like a Olympic vegetable
eater and I do seem to do better with some vegetables of the right kind. So go figure. Yeah,
yeah, it's just how it goes. So a simple life is an easier, happier life. It's true. You just
have more time and you're not behind the eight ball. And, you know, my gourmet taste always
worked against me because I would have to have so many ingredients in every single meal. Never
mind just the cooking, but then once you go to eat and how many different condiments am I going to need
to sprinkle and spread and, you know, jazz up and fire up. Did you know, did you see that when
you started eating this way? Did you like clear tons of kitchen space and remove all your spices?
For me, that was huge. Just removing, like I have so much more space and in my bathroom too,
removing all my essential oils and all that, you know, all that just look at the ingredients.
I'm like, oh my God, I don't need this. There's another cult with the essential oils. I feel
very sad even to bring this up, but people are totally married to it and they built whole
stores around it and they've built their whole healing career around them. Yeah. And this is a
place where this natural cult is very prominent because we know that the chemical fragrances
are poison, like 100% or at least most people in the natural world do. Although the interesting part
is that they often thought an oil was natural when I would know full well by my reaction
that it wasn't natural because I could tolerate natural fragrances for some reason, you know,
even though they're not good for you, I could still tolerate them. You could cover me and that
stuff and I wouldn't get symptoms that I remember. But, you know, so there's so many
products that you don't have any idea what they really are by the time they hit a shelf.
And yeah, and then just the natural essential oils are basically aldehydes, right?
Yeah. They are family of form aldehyde. And what are other aldehydes I don't know of?
I mean, they're volatile organic compounds. They're, yes, they're natural, volatile,
organic compounds, the same things that are in all kinds of paints and things that you don't,
that are warnings on, right? But when, but because they smell pleasant, everybody's like,
no problem. You know, just I used to put on lavender oil just to keep the mosquitoes off,
you know, and I thought, oh, just put it on my skin. I mean, I'm so happy to be,
to be done with that. But man, I have like hundreds. And I still haven't thrown them away.
I'm keeping them for bartering or something. And because I'm assuming they won't go bad.
But there's just so many things that I don't need. Like when I travel now, so much easier.
Before I'd have all my supplements, big two bags, you know, now it's just like,
you know, potassium magnesium. And sometimes, and yeah.
Nice. Yeah, the simplicity. And then, so, kai kariman kariman, did I get it right?
This time 11 is asking about cannabis oil. So cannabis is a whole thing. And this is
definitely part of the natural health cult that has been put out as the healing thing. And that's,
you always hear this, that there's, oh, save this little girl's life. And there's this
massive, big result of some kind going on. Personally, I did use cannabis oil. There was
one time when my insomnia was just horrendous and I was desperate in the middle of the night. I'm
like, cannabis oil or CBD's oil. And I went and I got it. It did absolutely nothing for me.
And Garrett Smith has a live stream particularly on the poison nature of cannabis. So if we
have any idea that it is a good substance because it's natural, it's full of stuff. Now,
I haven't studied it that much. Do you have anything more you want to say on that?
I mean, I've dabbled in it. I've used like cannabis, very condensed to put on this,
like a mosquito bite, you know, and it worked. But now I, it worked, but it always felt
just the taste of it and all that. I prefer the zinc niacin salve, which does it so much better.
And it feels like it's actually healing something that it's not just suppressing.
Right, right. Yeah, that's, that's probably why cannabis oil tends to work. I'm not
meaning to make people out to be like, they're not telling the truth or something like that.
But the chances are that it's more about suppressing your symptoms. And that's again,
something that people tend to need to be on for their whole life. I know someone who
will have grand mal seizures without cannabis and they need to consume cannabis every single day
of their life in order to avoid the seizures. So it's not healing, right? It's not a healing
thing. It's, it's what Ben would, Garrett calls a band aid. Yeah, it's the same thing like with
all the butter that I kept eating, you know, I was just loading up on retinol and I had to keep
eating it to maintain my useful appearance, you know, and, and, and yeah, it definitely worked.
But when I stopped all that and allowed my body to do what it probably what it's been wanting to do,
but instead of kicking the can down the road, you know, that it would happen
in five years or 10 years, I'm kind of like dealing with, you know, what my body going like, oh,
where's my fix? At the same time, it's going, oh my God, this is so great.
You know, and things are changing. They're definitely are changing. I'm just so many
things that I used to consider were normal are gone. I know, I know how many things
you even forget to mention them as somebody says, like, how are you doing? You don't even bring up
certain things just like, Oh, it's always been like that. So I went into apathy about it.
Yeah. Yeah. And just just emotionally, though, what to me, that's, that's been, that was my focus
for ever doing any diet of any sort was because I wanted to be strong enough to be able to
move a lot of feelings through me because I'm an actor and a writer. And I do a lot of, you know,
it's processing a lot of emotion moving through me. You can't just be, you have to be strong.
I have to have a strong instrument. That's the only reason I was ever, you know, searching for
this kind of stuff. And I'm finding the, I'm going to use that word, the resilience. But,
but I have found that, that my body is just stronger emotionally that I can carry so much more,
you know, that, that going through something, a moving emotion through me, if I'm working on a
part or something, it's, it hardly, it just feels like, Oh, and I'm right back, you know, it's
not like before I'd have to do a lot of recovery and do all kinds of things to get myself,
you know, back. But so, you know, it's the emotional body. We don't talk about it. We talk about our
body, but we don't talk about like, where do we have feelings? How do we feel them? You know,
can we feel in all of our body? Are we just feeling somewhere in our head? You know, and,
and I think that the less poison or the less, whatever, the less of the things that our
body doesn't want, we have the better off we are. The more room there is, like the room in the
refrigerator, I feel like that's what's happening with this paradigm and this way of living is that
more room is being made in my body, but also in my emotional and in my psychic field.
It feels like it's, it's stronger than it's ever been. Like it's easier to be who I am,
like to be myself. Yeah, so I'm really grateful. Amazing. That's beautiful. Yeah, I noticed that the
work that I do in deprogramming, so it's not the same as, you know, evoking emotions necessarily,
but it has a very strong emotional component because we got those and most people are
suppressing them and the healthier the liver is, the easier it is to do the work.
Right. So, and I can see it when I go into periods where I've dumped bile and I have to contend with
that for a few days or a week or sometimes longer. It has been, although I've been doing amazing,
touch wood so far. I found a good, I found a really good pace for myself. Then it's
exponentially different. It is much harder to find a program and to release it when we're
not well. And I've seen this in a lot of people that as they decline, and especially when their
liver is part of the decline, because I've, you know, I've seen a variety of people die now,
unfortunately. And it seems like the liver is always the last thing to become cancerous or
to become serotic or to become something, you know, that is now considered more than
silent disease, but according to the medical system. And their whole state of mind degrades
and they get angry and they get bitter. And they're unreasonable. You can't even,
you know, have a normal exchange or appeal to any logic or rationality in the process.
They just, they go crazy, right? There's a certain kind of crazy when, when liver toxicity
is over the chop. That's the word lunatic, because during the full moon, apparently we tend to dump
more copper. And so people act like lunatics. But just think of the word liver. You know,
it's the one who lives, he's the liver, she's the liver of life. You know, I mean, there's,
there's a reason why that word has the word live in it.
There's something very powerful. And, you know, it's like, it's like, it's hidden in plain sight.
Yeah, the liver, they should have called the liver the heart, so to speak. I just noticed,
by the way, I'm sort of interrupt, but people are saying my mic is low.
Yeah, occasionally it does kind of go a little muffled. And then it comes back.
Really? Okay, I'm going to make a little manual adjustment here, because all my settings are good.
Let me know if this improves it. Hello, hello, hello. Is that any better?
Or even a bit more? It is better? Okay, maybe that got knocked or something like that.
Thanks, Jackie. I appreciate that. And there was one question that we skipped past. So I want to go
back to this. Alisa is asking, could you expand on your magnesium and zinc potassium process
to get it from food if that's possible? You want to go first on this?
Yeah, the magnesium from food, I don't think it's possible. Not the amounts that I seem to need.
I'm just experimenting now with magnesium pitholate. And zinc, I could see, you know,
if you are eating a lot of red meat, I could see that that's possible to get through food.
And potassium too, you know, but then you have to eat a lot of bananas and coconut water.
But the magnesium, I feel like that one to build my magnesium stores is my challenge,
because I can't believe how much I need. And the transdermal magnesium, I think,
is the most potent. And I'm recently started doing transdermal magnesium and potassium,
which hopefully maybe when Kelsey's on, you can have her talk more about that. But that's really
pretty awesome is to put the potassium with the magnesium and absorb it through the skin.
Yeah, I was doing that as well. What's your recipe on that? Because I think I'm
being creative on this. Was it like half a cup of magnesium chloride? By the way,
do not use epsom salts. That's magnesium sulfate. You don't want sulfates. This is very,
very hard for people to understand that sulfur, and I've got this on the list, is not a nutrient.
It's a toxin. Yeah, you mean the magnesium that I do in the lotion?
No, or yeah, like the magnesium potassium. Yeah, so Kelsey's formula was you take the
regular nutrition detective lotion, and then you put a tablespoon of magnesium chloride,
but you first put some warm water, not boiling, but like warm water, and you let it melt,
and then you, you know, get a kind of melty of the minimum amount of water you need,
and then you pour that into the bottle, and you shake it up, and it works beautifully.
Oh, hadn't considered that. Yeah, I was making my own oil with a half a cup of magnesium chloride,
one cup of water, hot water, by the way, so that it would actually dissolve, because sometimes it
doesn't dissolve, and then a tablespoon, but I think I jacked it up to two tablespoons of
potassium chloride in there, and it dissolved really nicely, so I have very high potassium
needs because I have a lot of copper toxicity, which is going down miraculously after
about 14 months, I know it's amazing. I notice the difference. It's called good sleep every night,
right? Years and years and years of insomnia, both a potassium deficiency and a copper toxicity
are, they're very related because your body can't detox the copper without using potassium,
and it kicks potassium out of your cells, making it look on a blood test that you have tons of
potassium, or too much potassium, but you don't have it where you need it. That's the big problem
around that. So yeah, the food sources of potassium, like Dagmar already said, the bananas, the coconut
water, also green kiwis, but they're high in oxalates, so you don't want that every day,
also potatoes high in potassium, but they're nightshades. You don't want that every day,
because that'll bring about some toxicity as well over time.
One just thing about kiwis, don't ever blend your kiwis, because the blending of a kiwi could
lend you in the hospital, it has some people, because that's when you really release all the
oxalates. From the seed, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was experimenting with de-seeding a kiwi,
can't be done. Like, I can do it, I can do it. Yeah, you'll just end up with a tiny piece of
just the shell mostly. Yeah. Yeah, I stopped eating those things after Jackie and
you Dagmar told me. So is the audio better, by the way? Can you guys let me know in the chat
if that sounds better to you guys? I don't know why that could have happened. And Sam,
nice to see you. I'm glad you're here. Did I say that liver is the last one to get
cancer? I can't speak to that being everybody, but I have noticed in just this sheer anecdotal
experience on my part. Now, first of all, they don't register liver disease, because it's possible
the liver was sick and cancerous long before, but because your liver is taking the whole
weight of all of the, you know, it's like your last line of defense. And so you're
probably not going to know it. That's why they coined the term in medical system silent liver
disease. The only way you could really tell would be liver biopsies, which are gory, nobody wants
that. And, and so yeah, it seems to be, you know, the diagnosis of liver cancer seems to be at
the end, and then they're gone. They're not, they're not going to be around very long at all.
I'm curious, curious, Beth, do you have names of some of the, the, the cultish diets that you've
been on? Like, do you, do you have like a progression, like, you know, the last 20 years, like,
how did it start and where did it, where did it end? What were you doing right before you got
to this one, to this paradigm? Oh boy, it's kind of endless, I guess. I developed a
fascination before I started to travel to the East, India and Nepal in particular.
Now your sound is getting muffled. Really? For a second it did, yeah. On.
Kind of pissed off. I didn't change anything. Okay, but keep going. Okay. It's back then.
Okay, good. Yeah, so then I got fascinated with herbal medicine and I picked up and I was,
you know, going to India and I studied with some Ayurvedic physicians there and I would buy all
the herbs in the markets and the little blue pills that they sold in their Ayurvedic pharmacies.
That's amazing that I would take. Like, first of all, I probably poisoned myself on the color
alone, right? And I would just, I would see the name and I would look it up in my little book
and I'm like, yeah, that's for me. I'm going to take so much of it. I'm going to like take
nine and 12 and 15 pills at one time. And then my over the eight trips to India, my health degraded.
The reason I think the real catalyst was I got a lot of vaccinations
before I left for my first trip. They shot me up with the hepatitis B and the hepatitis C and,
you know, every, I don't know, I probably had nine shots over a couple of months before I left
and so I got sick before I left. I already was degraded in my health and then when I was away,
I got sick all the time. I at the time would have explained it that I got every cold or every
microbe in the water or, you know, I just was constantly battling something as many people
were there. And that's when I jumped out on on their medicine. I also was at the time,
I wasn't a full on natural health nut yet. So I did lots of their antibiotics that are banned
in North America, but they still get to sell them in India. So I doubly ruined my system.
And when I got back from India the first time I was so sick in my gut, no doctor could help me.
They wanted to give me more antibiotics. By that time, I'm going like, no, it's a no. I knew
it wasn't going to help me. And I got a healing short term by eating nothing but organic food.
So along the same liver, liver principle of just reducing the toxicity of the food
enabled my body to go through a healing process. It wasn't done, but that was a really good thing.
And yeah, what else did I go through? I avoid it. I think there's many more than I avoided.
When was the alkaline diet? Oh God, yes, I did the alkaline diet too. Alkaline or die,
remember that book? Yeah, exactly. And so yeah, before I was formally diagnosed with cancer,
I would try to be alkaline, take alkalizing. That was like the green was all alkaline,
green foods. And I consumed quite a bit of salt because that was something that I assumed
disease was caused by acidity and cancer was caused by acidity and all of that kind of thing.
I remember bringing it up with my natural path. This is one thing very much to his credit.
And I said, oh, the alkaline diet, it's the cure for cancer. And he says, Beth,
all my patients die on it like this. Oh, but what's your point?
So luckily, he could see through it. And he knew this is something I feel very grateful
to have learned early that the pH of the body is very sophisticated. The pH of your mouth is not
the pH of your esophagus is not the pH of your stomach is not the pH of your colon is not the
pH of your musculature or your eyes. And we see this in in the buffering of niacin nicotinic acid
that you need different proportions depending on if you're going to put it here or you're going
to put it up, right? Because you've got different parts of your body that you're trying to accommodate.
And even then, it's a little bit of a moving target guessing game.
So to think that, you know, acid is bad. And this is a major fallacy of the natural health
world that something's good and something's bad, right? And that it's one thing that it's the
one cause one solution approach that that has gotten me many times, you know, I think, oh,
it's just this one thing. Oh, I have a deficiency of oregano oil, or it's my acidity. That's my
problem. That's the only thing I have to address. Everything is about because I used to give those
lectures to friends, you know, be like, Oh, nothing, no bacteria, fungus or parasite can survive in
an alkaline environment. It's all about the terrain. I was like spewing this stuff off. And
oh, man, I was so wrong. So unfortunately, people did listen to me. So I have a lot of karma to
clean up. Well, good for you, though, Dagmar, because the vast majority of people will not
turn around and say I was wrong. They might change their tune. But they're not going to
say that they were wrong, right? They're going to try to avoid the humiliation of that.
That that's very good. That sense of knowing that, you know, I had a not a positive effect on people
not to beat myself up over it, but to just acknowledge like, Yeah, that was a that was
that was part of something that I'm not proud of. And I try to make up for it.
You know, that's that I know. But one thing I just want to address what you were saying
about the whole India thing, it never really occurred to me. And it's kind of obvious now
that you say it, because I know everyone who goes to India, they they tell me how incredibly sick
they get, and sometimes how long it lasts. And you know, I mean, most people who go to India
must get vaccinated. Right. Hey, you know what, we shouldn't use that word. Let's
say jabbed just in case that gets me a straight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so so people, most people
get jibby jabbed. And so that the the conditions and you go from the poison of the jibby jab
to the poison of the crazy high a and oxalate diet, that is the Indian diet. I mean, and I know
I mean, you go from that to so maybe and people make it seem like, oh, it's these parasites,
parasites. I don't know. I think I'm just thinking now like, wow, that there's a pattern there
that it's the yeah, yeah, that it's the beginning of the poisoning, you know,
if somebody is not used to having a lot of poisons in their body and suddenly they get nine.
You know, that's quite a strain on the system, especially if you're like an undertype
like you are. Because I wasn't I wasn't then I didn't I yeah, I turned into another type in
in the after 2020 when I stopped eating. Actually, that's that's when that happened,
because I always used to be just slightly over. That was where I would air.
Yeah, I was going to say that in those days, just around say, you know, like the regret or
shame and all that kind of stuff. What I remember is that no one would take my advice
when I was spouting off the natural health stuff. My family didn't want to hear it.
Friends didn't want to hear it. You know, nobody listened to me. Well, now I'm so grateful.
Yeah, that's I was wrong, right? And then I also never went into health coaching.
So grateful. I didn't do that. I never did that either. Oh, my God. Yeah, I could have.
Yeah, I was yep. Stacey Sunshine says your face will tell you when your liver is overworking.
Yep, your skin is a very big tell whether it's on your face or anywhere else in your body.
Here's the thing. There's a catch to that because my liver was way overworking and I look fantastic.
And you had perfect skin. Perfect. Always, always. Now I'm breaking out.
But I kept that away. You know, now the stuff is coming out. So I'm reliving
teenage hood that I never had. But that's okay. You know, this is so good to just like get over the,
you know, the vanity part of it all, which I think is healthy for no matter what you're doing,
you know, to just embrace where we are. But go on. I'm sorry to interrupt.
Oh, that's okay. Yeah. And it's actually really well said, Stacey, that your your
liver is overworking, meaning, you know, if the poison's coming out your skin, it means that your
liver's not handling the level of poison. And so it like exact, I want to emphasize what you said,
Dagmar, because it can go both ways. When you have no symptoms, it doesn't necessarily mean
you're healthy. It means you're not, you're not detoxing. And then, and then, you know,
the detox people get all excited in the natural health world, like, oh, I'm detoxing. It's
so beautiful. I love this. It's not coming out in the big marks on my face or whatever it is.
And that's not a good sign. That means you've got full holes in the biles in the blood.
Right. So I just, you know, this appeal to the romance of, of detoxing. It's like, no,
it's okay. And it's happening. You don't, you don't want to sit there and be afraid of it.
But it actually damages. And that's why it hurts when you, when it's your brain hurts
because it's being poisoned. There were times in Mexico last year, I swear the poison made holes
in my head. There were places I couldn't feel after the level of pain that I went through
on those bile dumps was horrendous. So it is, it is nuanced. People say, Oh, I haven't had a
cold for 25 years. And it's like, you might be a bomb waiting to go off. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
My mom never ever got a colder flu when we were growing up. And then she ends up with full on
cancer and dies at 74, right? 20 years earlier than her mother. Holy mackerel. Wow. So she could,
it might have been better off with a few colds or flus. Well, and she was probably maybe also
carrying her mother's toxicity, as it does get passed on generationally, which is so misleading
because we think, Well, what do you mean grandpa smoked till he was 90, you know, but, but then
the children are getting, you know, the pesticides from the cigarettes, whatever are being passed
down to the next generation through the mother. You know, so, so it's so misleading. You think
like, Well, what do you mean? You know, like people think that every child comes in fresh,
newborn with nothing, no toxicity, just, you know, happy, healthy baby. And no, it's like we are,
and the one hand, we're standing on each other's shoulders from generation to generation in terms
of how we survive and what we learn and how we grow. And on the other hand, we're also
standing under each other's feet, you know, like how we inherited the weaknesses or the
poisonings of that generation. Like they may have survived to 90. If they weren't doing some of
those things, they may have lived to 120. You know, that whenever people say, Well,
she lived to be 95. I'm like, or like, Okay, great. You know, if that's, if that's,
I do think that we are, we probably are meant to live a lot longer, just like all animals in
the animal kingdom, they live. You can calculate if you multiply the not at the age at which
being matures, like when women start to menstruate, and you multiply that I believe
by seven, then that should be the age that that most things in the wild
do live until. And we're the only exception and domestic animals, even though my cats live
to be in their late 20s and 30, only because I fed them raw meat, raw muscle meat, that was their
main, you know, they might have lived longer if I didn't give them liver and other organs.
But still, you know, so I just think that it's all on the one hand, we have to envision what's
possible. And on the other, we have to also embrace where we are. You know, in the world,
like you said in the beginning, that none of us is living a natural life. We're far from it. So
it's like, how do we find our way to still enact some of those things that we do need,
like sunshine and movement and community, you know, which is you're doing it on Zoom. I mean,
you created the House of Free Will, you know, which is people from, you know, like Maya is in
Ireland. So we have like creating a sense of community. But it's weird without smelling
each other. You know, we're not, we're not in the same and we can't watch each other. We can't like
be like, oh, I'm watching you eat something. And then I see if you get sleepy or not, you know,
you learn that way too by having a lot of people that you can witness in their everyday life.
But that's not where we are. That's just not going to happen. You know, I keep thinking,
like, can we create real life communities and every community I've ever visited or tried
to, you know, think, like, can I participate in this? They always fall apart somehow.
You know, it becomes some kind of a weird thing because we're trying to live outside of what's
happening in the world. Like we want to participate in what is right now.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go off on that. That's okay. Yeah, whole other topic. But
I just wanted to answer Sam's question, were they mandatory for travel? There was a few of
them. A few, I'll have to say no, actually, because the other years I didn't get them,
maybe because I had them. I think the one was it couldn't have been malaria because
there's no jab for that. That's medication. That's so poison is never take that stuff,
by the way, from malaria. Wow, I got so sick. I would I went to take a pill one day
and I was shaking as I went to take it. And I went, I don't think I want this
like this. So yeah, I can't remember. I think I think they might have been, I was certainly
scared into it. And I hope you're joking and being facetious about that kind of weird thing to be.
And that would be more facetiousness coming on here. I'm praying.
Facetiousness, yes. Yeah, must be, must be. It's very hard to read on on screen,
by the way, if you do a lot of that kind of thing, it's almost impossible to know
without asking if people are being sarcastic or whatever, but
your jobs are what travelers get sick from. Exactly. That's the big thing. I mean,
it's supposed to supposedly be protecting you, but that's upside down world. Oh, yeah,
this is another natural health cult, Mr. Sam around the ayahuasca. And we had a good chat
yesterday. I don't know if you caught that with with Joel Schaefer. And we talked about
psychedelics and ayahuasca, I would put in that category. The reason they affect you is because
they're poisoning you. I had a natural health boyfriend and that's exactly what he said. And
he knew tricks for the remedies. And they, they would make me sick. They, you know,
most people, what do they do barf their brains out on ayahuasca? It's not a pleasant thing.
But then they've got the story of like, Oh, well, you're so toxic. So then that medicine
helped you to purge. And it's like, no, you're having a, an emergency. It's an emergency. You're
purging the medicine. You're not purging your toxins. Right. Right. Violently. That's not good for you.
What do you think happens to your whole esophagus when the bile black backs up like that
with the medicine? So yeah, you know, there's again, spiritual reasons. I think there can
be good, a good context, but for your health, no, no, and it's not meant to be for everyone.
From my understanding, it's the shaman of the village who basically sacrifices his nervous
system for the village. So he has visions. So he's, they feed him, they do, they take care of him
because he no longer has a functioning nervous system. He sacrifices himself to this world.
And it's an honor and a sacred act that he's doing, but it's not meant for everyone.
And he's having the visions. Yes. Of course, if you're on the verge of death,
you're going to have a lot of visions too. And some people, yeah, I think there is a place
for it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But I think what I am saying is that it is so misguided
to think that, you know, somebody living in the city should go off to Peru and,
and do these journeys and then come back here to this life, like that's going to do something.
I feel that we need to earn our, our spiritual evolution, you know, not just have it handed
to us like that because it's really, where's the transformation then? Yeah. Yeah. I was,
I was a big fan. Like I literally had hunger for those journeys and it wasn't for the partying
around it or the fun around it. The, the last trips I did alone on my own, it was always to go
inward. And now I'm thinking about the liver, the damage of the liver and then the crazy visions.
And really all, if, if I had to add it up, I'm not putting them down or anyone who is finding
use in it, but mostly what I got was lessons. And it didn't, it didn't do the lesson for me.
It, it sent me away with the lesson like, okay, now go work on this. Now what you saw or what you
realized or anything that opened up for you now go make it real or act on it. Okay. Now you know
your problem. What are you going to do about it? The medicine's not going to ever do it for you.
And that's what I noticed people would be like every single weekend, they'd be going back to the
ceremony, going back to the ceremony. And I think getting very stuck, never mind entities that I think
it makes them attracted to you in that because you have no discrimination. You, you're like wide open
to all of the forces that be and you know, good, bad and ugly. So yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not, I'm
not judging anyone for doing it either. But I have very strong feelings about, you know,
knowing why you're doing it and not becoming like a weekend, you know, like in LA and in Hawaii,
they have ayahuasca churches. That's what they call it. It's like a church and they go there every
weekend. And I think that anybody's free to destroy their own body if they want to, because
there may be something really worthwhile there for them. You know, they may really need to have
that whatever, you know, that journey brings. But I'm just saying, yeah.
No, that's very good point about the shamans that it wasn't for everyone that they were sacrificing.
And also this, the Toad Poison that Stacy's talking about. Now, now I'm putting a few things
together just lifetime here. When you injure the liver with a poison, it brings up your
programming that says you're going to die. And it's partly because your body is going like alert,
alert. There's something going on here. And it is valuable to see the death programming because
most people suppress it. They don't see it. They don't feel it. They will say it's not like,
it's not there. Just like, Oh, I have no symptoms. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with me.
And that can be true, but it might not be true. And so I think that's a big part of that
poisoning of yourself that you think you gain some, but you don't need poison to bring up your
death programming. I can scare you myself. Just kidding. I don't like that.
Maya was just talking about another thing is the sun speeds up detox. Really good
awareness to have that we'd say, Oh, the sun is natural and it's good. And
and now I go for five minute tans and I never burn anymore. I go, I go for like,
and I'm talking about tanning beds. There's nothing natural about a tanning bed at all.
But do I do better for two, two seasons now where I've been going for a tan at least once a
week? Yes, way better. I now have a sauna blanket tag mark. I got a sauna blanket.
So I sweat it out. Is there anything natural about that? No, nothing natural about that
at all. But but yep. So that's it's good to be very, very wise about the sun for that reason.
Stacy said, I can tell your diet changed when you moved in with your mom three weeks ago
because you have dry spots on your face in the liver kidney areas. Yeah. And hello on
YouTube, the vertical version greetings to you as well. It's funny because they have two
streams and two chats and you guys aren't seeing each other. That's why I get confused on
other people's streams. Like, where are the people? I seem to be here and they're somewhere else.
So take on honey. Yeah. This one in general added sweeteners not recommended because why
the main thing? Aldehydes, right? They turn do turn into aldehydes in the body.
Well, it's the it's the pollen, you know, the pollen has is high a.
Okay. Yeah. And I oxalate and high oxalate to honey. So I oxalate the pollen.
So every honey is the same. Yeah. I pollen honey. Yeah. If it's like, you can tell some honey
if it's truly also not really raw and has been cooked or put into hot bottles. I can tell if
I do a honey, I only get honey from one guy that I happen to know around here and I go
and he collects it just, you know, very simply and doesn't heat anything. I can do that one and
it's low pollen, but, you know, you have to see how you feel. You'll know right away.
Right. Right. And then, and then just to repeat again about the sweeteners that if I'm not
mistaken, please correct me if anyone here knows, but I believe that your sugar in your in your
body, whether you take it through honey or maple syrup or white death or brown death,
which I bet is loaded in vitamin A by the way, like all the coconut sugars and the because
they're bright brown, orange, yellow, right. And then they store as alcohol in the liver.
So you're not helping yourself. And I'm pretty sure when Garrett was talking about
that guy that has a terrible junk food diet, and I'm pretty sure he's talking about the sugars
turn into aldehydes as well. Right, Pete. Are you talking about?
No, it was his friend, Mark. I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Yeah. I don't know his friend's
name and he's on a junk food diet, but it's a low age junk food diet. This is not recommended.
This is not a good way to go. I'm sorry. He doesn't look good. And I know he's a friend
of Garrett's and there's no problem between them, but he's not an emissary of, of diet, this, this
approach to, to eating. And hello, Joe, nice to have you here. Welcome, glad you're there on
Facebook and Sun and Sleep are the masters of healing. Yeah, the, my naturopath would say
the sun is the best healer. If you know that it's like Maya said, very detoxifying,
it's going to bring stuff up. Like when I got pregnant with my son, I started getting
sun rashes. As soon as I would get too much sun, I would break out in this really hot, itchy,
long standing rash. Why? Because my skin is, is letting go of the toxins. High speed, too high
speed. Very uncomfortable. Yeah. And sleep is the real healing deal. That's a miracle. I never
thought I would heal and sleep at the same time, but I am now. And that's like, wow.
I think I'm actually needing less sleep. I was needing more sleep for, for a while and
now I'm waking up and I'm awake after six, seven hours and I'm good. But yeah, the Iboga trip,
I know I've been loosely, loosely following that again, back to the poisoning and the liver.
I don't, I don't want to be too pessimistic, but I'm kind of waiting for the other
shooted drop with him because he's also been on the high frequency stuff. Frequency
is another big topic. I don't know, Dagmar, I bet we're going to have to do part two because
there's a lot of topics we're not getting to on this. Yeah. If you're, if you're,
we got to get into the, the Jack Cruz cult. I mean, there's so many cults that, that I just
want to, you know, and, and not to throw them away, but just, you know, there's something,
you know, the clock is right twice every wrong, whatever clock is right twice a day.
Or what is that saying? Yeah. I don't know the saying, but when you set your clock to
the wrong time, it's right twice a day. Right. That's it. Thank you best for your clarity.
Yeah. I mean, you know, he's got some points, but my God, I mean, his epipaleal diet, you know,
which is just eating all tons of bottom feeders from the ocean and eating mostly like fish
and the high fat and all of that. Yeah. He says that the sun is good for you and blue light isn't,
but as we're learning on this diet, that really blue light is not the problem.
I mean, yes, you don't want to have it on, you know, late at night and your computer,
but yeah. So it's, there's many, many layers to this. And I don't know how these guys,
I don't know how Jack still is around, but, but I think there's something off about him personally.
Right. Yeah. I'm not familiar with him. Oh, and Jackie said it's Matt Stone. Yeah,
that's the guy. All respect to him, but he doesn't look good at all. You know,
he's not a good example of the love your liver. Garrett is a great example of God.
I mean, that's a big part. That's a big part. You know, you look at, you look at someone like
Jack cruise, you're like, Oh Lord, no, or Wim Hof, you know, they may have all kinds of powers,
or, you know, self aggrandizing sense of themselves, but they're jacked up on poison.
They're jacked up on poison. And also it's just like, you know, when you, when you're talking to a
person, you can feel if they're there or not. And I always feel that Garrett is very, very present
to everyone. And his patience is astounding. You know, when we do the office hours, when people
come in with all their, their issues and things that they're progressing in this,
I think his, his, his graciousness in that is just like mind blowing because I would be losing
it. I know. Oh, I cheer for him every time. You know, like I had somebody reject him the other day
when I shared it, and it was because they didn't like him. And first of all, I wanted to say, well,
you know, if you don't like him now, you probably would have liked him a lot less
back in the start, you know, because he's, he's, you can see the evolution to me. This
gives people a lot of credibility when you can see over time how they have improved,
not only his health improved based on his own anecdotal reporting, but his looks changed.
Yeah. He's got bone structure. He didn't have that before.
I know. His skull changed shape. He went from, he went from like, God bless him, if you're
hearing this, but he went from someone I wouldn't have felt was particularly
good looking to being a very attractive man. Right? Like it's, it, you can vitality,
it's alive. And like you say, in the shape of the face, he's grown ahead of hair. Now,
this is not due to just the love your liver approach. He's created a hair growth
process within his course that you can get access to there, but it's very much part of the whole,
you know, detox and, and, uh, renourishing kind of plan that he's created there. So,
yeah, I can't recommend it, uh, enough. And I'm a broken record. Um, Sam just asked about
almond milk almonds. I discovered extremely high in, is it, is it both oxalates and copper?
Copper and oxalates are like crazy because the moment you grind the almond, you release even more.
So it is like the biggest oxalate hit you could be doing even more than eating an almond.
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Right. So they're, they're kind of dangerous in the milk.
I don't know about vitamin A. I don't think, I don't think it's a particularly high source of vitamin A
because it's a light colored food that it's not a guarantee though. Unless you have the skin,
the skin could have. Right. Yeah. And the skin is bitter. So that's obviously, you know, having,
yeah, I used to peel those dirt almonds to, uh, dehydrate them, talk about. I still have some
in the freezer. I still have them. I keep giving my, my son's friend went organic and he'll eat
anything organic. So I keep like, Oh, here you go. Everybody thinks I'm so generous. Now,
every time anybody comes over, I go, would you like some way fed, uh, Amish bacon, organic?
Exactly. I know they're going to eat it anyway. Not that I support it. And I tell them,
I don't eat this anymore, but I notice you do. So, so. Yeah. Yeah. I gave him all my bacon.
It was so great to get that out of the freezer actually. Be bread is a beautiful thing. I've
never heard of that. Might be some in there. Let's see. We have to go a little quicker now
because I'm going to have to get going. Wim Hof is a Psyop. He killed people with his stuff.
See, we need to hear his stuff for God's sake. And people are still worshiping at his feet.
Yeah. And, and he disappeared during the pandemic for like, it was just interesting
because I've been following him since 2011 maybe. And so he suddenly disappeared. And then he
reappeared and he's connected to all kinds of intriguing people. I don't know about. Yeah,
okay. Yeah. And then just for the disclaimer that Matt Stone isn't in the love your liver program,
neither is Grant, you guys. So if you get taken sideways by Grant, he's not kept up.
I'm sorry to say, I mean, I love him and he did a great interview here and his discovery of vitamin
A toxicity is unparalleled, but he never actually followed a good path. He never
accepted the invitations for, for him to come into Garrett's work and work together.
There's, you know, so he, he has, he's not a good example by any means. And then he
bought into the whole team calcium. I honestly, I feel like those guys are plants
came to disrupt and create division and confusion. And that's, I don't know, I just, I'm, I'm a little
mad about that still. So yeah, so much, so much to take in here. So I am going to have to start
to close off for today. And so we'll talk about if we can do part two next week and go deeper
into this stuff. Or another time. Almond is also cyanide. Yeah. Yeah. Guru
tempted to do the hair growth thing. And you missed the early birds. And now the price is high.
Anyone in the chat, anything to say about it? I don't know anyone who's used it only, only Garrett.
And yeah, so no, he froze people to death. His, his wife's death is linked to him.
Wow. Yeah. I know of another natural death that's related to the spouse too.
Jack Cruz is a Bitcoin peddler. Good to know. And there was so many guys whose wives died in, in
various things that I've, that I've been involved in, you know, mysterious deaths. I even know a
guy who sent his own mother to the hospital because he created structured water, you know,
the spinning thing there. You spin the water and you structure it. And the mother drank it and
ended up in the hospital because it was just, you know, it, it wasn't used to anything like that.
So you just don't, you just don't, you know, this was, I mean, yeah. So let's save it,
Dagmar. If you don't mind getting into a new topic here. Next time we're going to talk about
water, we're going to talk about frequencies. We're going to talk about salt.
Yes. I can barely contain myself. Don't eat Celtic salt.
Yeah. So there's now a lawsuit for lead and arsenic poisoning from Celtic salt against
that company. It is a bona fide class action suit that I have verified. You can go and
find that or hit me up for that. Also, they've been finding shrimp in the salt
because it's not clean. Right. So sorry. I had to dump that really quickly.
We're going to talk all the truth or drugs. They love their ivermectin,
methylene blue and femme ben. We're going to talk about sulfur we didn't go deep into. We're going
to talk about the parasite craze. We didn't go deep into the magnet cult. Yes. What else we
got here? I think what I, the chocolate diet, all that kind of stuff. How about the specific
carbohydrate diet? Write it down. Write it down. Yeah. Yeah. Like written down here. The anti
inflammatory diet. They, yeah, we have write them down. Write them down if you can, because I'm
unfortunately, I literally have to run. And so yeah, this is this is to say the worship of
plants and the worship of nature. Yes, go outside, be outside, enjoy yourself. There's
lots of benefits, but don't think that natural is good. This is a logical fallacy. It makes no
sense. It's possible. We're here for plants and not the other way around. I think plants
want our bodies under the under them so we can decompose and and give them nutrition.
Exactly. And, and Jackie, from what I understand, yes, the count, the Celtic salt,
that's what they say. Oh, it's from France. It's full of garbage. It's, it's, it's not, yeah,
you need, you need pure salt. Yes. So thank you everyone for coming. We'll add red light
therapies to the list, but so far that seems good. Yeah. So yeah. And we'll add ketogenic.
Oh yeah, I have them all listed here, Beth. I'll send you my list. Perfect. Okay, great.
Great. So with any like Dagmar is available next week and we'll be back on with you Friday,
the whatever it's going to be plus seven is 19. And same time, two PM central time,
do stay tuned. I'm just going to really quickly remind you guys that I've got Kelsey on coming
up next week on the seven 18th to talk about brain food and breath food. She's so, so stoked
and excited about that. And then the 22nd Alex Michael is coming on. That'll be after the next
Beth of fresh air. I want to let you guys know that I've got a course that is all ready and fired up
to go. People are signing up right now. It's the maiden voyage of creator code. And this is the
answer to what people told me. The problem is that they're having a hard time visioning when
they think the world is ending. So I am taking people on a 12 week journey. This is how I
got myself out of a near dead experience that if you didn't catch by the fresh air one,
I went into very big detail about that. And so until the 15th, this course will come along with
a free three month guest membership to the house of free will that we mentioned where there's
deeper knowledge and private meetings. And we're going big into English law to try to
not to try to disprove but disproving so much of the alternative law crap out there. We have
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in fact one tomorrow at noon central time. All kinds of library resources are in there. So if
you sign up for creator code before or by the 15th, then it comes with three months in the house
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in going from feeling like you're just troubleshooting the crap in life to wanting to be able to
put out what's actually in your heart of hearts to create for yourself and for everyone else,
then it's a really good time to have a look at that. And I think that's all for today. I have a
Christmas party going to start very soon. We've got a little one coming. So we had to start
really early. Thank you so much, Dagmar for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you for
always always fun. My favorite. Nice. Nice. I knew you have a lot to share about this. And
so we will see you guys all again. I'm going to let's see play us out with another round of
myself. And now and now for me again. All right, everyone have a beautiful rest of your day.
So much love to you. And bye for now. Thank you.