WEBVTT 00:12.340 --> 00:22.300 Okay, I'm welcome to the Delling Pod with me James Delling Poll and I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest 00:22.300 --> 00:26.160 But before we meet her even though you can see her already. 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Yes, probably, but I would say you should have some silver 02:05.620 --> 02:10.480 Gold in some form as long as it's solid silver and solid gold not paper gold 02:10.480 --> 02:17.960 And I would go to the pure gold company the pure gold company dot-kid at UK forward slash James Dash 02:17.960 --> 02:19.820 Delling pole forward slash 02:25.500 --> 02:28.540 Welcome back to the the Delling pod 02:29.140 --> 02:30.900 honorary dick substitute 02:31.600 --> 02:33.220 Whatever Tony Edwards 02:35.580 --> 02:39.440 I've got various things to tell you but I'm sure you I'm sure you've got loads to talk about Tony 02:39.440 --> 02:41.160 but I was to tell you about my 02:41.880 --> 02:44.040 my morning and 02:44.640 --> 02:46.120 As you know, we're starting this 02:47.660 --> 02:54.200 Early, well, I mean relatively early. It's it's 10 o'clock, which is it's kind of annoying time to start a podcast and I explained to you 02:54.980 --> 02:56.360 That I had to go to a hospital 02:56.360 --> 03:01.440 That's why I was finding about time because because I've broken my finger and 03:02.260 --> 03:03.420 on a horse obviously 03:05.460 --> 03:09.160 And I had an appointment in the hospital this afternoon at 03:09.440 --> 03:11.260 Like one o'clock or something 03:12.760 --> 03:13.800 um and 03:14.840 --> 03:19.440 Last Friday as I was driving back from 03:20.240 --> 03:24.260 From seeing dick in Worcester. I wound down 03:25.100 --> 03:29.840 Okay, well, I've there's nothing wrong with my internet James until I speak to you 03:29.840 --> 03:33.700 But I think I might be some sort of tech demon because this even happened with your new best friend 03:34.920 --> 03:35.440 and 03:36.240 --> 03:37.080 So I move 03:40.920 --> 03:43.800 I was gonna ask you was my story that boring 03:45.000 --> 03:49.120 Well, it's really just appeared for you to start at it. I haven't had one second 03:49.760 --> 03:55.960 Okay, it's telling me that it's uploading this threading trap and I was much better off before because I was really well positioned in the dark 03:55.960 --> 03:58.600 And I'm in horrible day and night, which isn't my best look 03:58.600 --> 04:03.720 Then anyway, sorry. I don't know what happened. It's not top light 04:04.500 --> 04:08.100 No, whatever that is. I know you girls worry about top light 04:09.180 --> 04:14.080 Apparently done the flatterings on it. Well, the whole thing's on flattering days and I'm also holding on it doesn't matter 04:14.080 --> 04:20.120 Let's hear your story. I do I don't care. I can just I'll just see a blur. You just like kind of yeah 04:20.900 --> 04:22.360 So people are not gonna 04:23.020 --> 04:29.280 Be able to focus on you. Um, I was telling you my exciting story before you rudely interrupted by disappearing 04:32.860 --> 04:33.660 so I 04:33.660 --> 04:38.780 was driving back from seeing dick on real dick as opposed to honorary dick and 04:39.640 --> 04:41.800 more substitute dick and 04:43.020 --> 04:49.040 As I was driving back the car missed it up and it's all my cars are really really crappy, right? I buy 04:50.500 --> 04:51.100 Well 04:53.000 --> 04:57.560 There were three in the drive but one's been dead for for like 04:57.560 --> 05:02.680 nine months and I've been wanting to play it's it's a Nissan Micra and 05:03.720 --> 05:10.740 I like it because it's old but has got very low mileage because it used to belong to it belong to my late father-in-law who hardly used it 05:10.740 --> 05:11.820 And I've got this 05:11.820 --> 05:14.840 The tool that's one way to keep the mileage down, Jane 05:15.820 --> 05:19.600 Well, it's on a drive. I've got this theory that 05:21.100 --> 05:25.720 Each with each new year they add on more complicated shit to cast 05:25.720 --> 05:29.760 Design to fail to make them more expensive to maintain unnecessary stuff 05:29.760 --> 05:33.260 So you want an old car with low mileage if you're the older the better 05:33.660 --> 05:37.160 so anyway, that's broken at the moment because the 05:37.700 --> 05:38.240 the 05:38.240 --> 05:43.100 The power steering is gone, but I'm thinking it's probably worth paying seven hundred quid 05:43.100 --> 05:47.800 To get the power steering back just so that I've got this car. That's 05:47.800 --> 05:53.120 You know, but anyway, I was driving by another crap of our crap cars 05:53.850 --> 05:58.180 my daughter's crap car and I wound down the window to 05:59.140 --> 05:59.620 Um 05:59.620 --> 06:05.860 D miss the windows and it wouldn't go up again and it was on that particularly cold 06:05.860 --> 06:11.580 I don't really remember last Friday. It was just unbelievably cold. There was a kind of a 06:11.580 --> 06:17.860 Really bitter wind and there was rain and I checked on my phone. You know, what temperature does it feel like? 06:17.980 --> 06:20.060 it felt like minus six and 06:20.060 --> 06:24.320 so I was in this car freezing my my arse off and 06:25.080 --> 06:27.360 I then had to get it home and 06:28.180 --> 06:34.960 Tape up the windows when you can't because it's raining and it means it doesn't stick and anyway, it was horrible 06:37.120 --> 06:43.780 The point was I needed this car to get to my hospital appointment this afternoon so 06:44.980 --> 06:46.280 To deal with my finger 06:48.080 --> 06:50.100 That I broke I broke my finger 06:51.060 --> 06:52.640 on on a horse 06:53.180 --> 06:54.220 Well, I was hunting 06:55.180 --> 06:58.700 Obviously, I was hunting and I was 07:02.920 --> 07:05.750 We'd we'd been going for about a half an hour and 07:07.140 --> 07:07.720 I 07:07.720 --> 07:10.750 Done a few jumps. I think but I was kind of 07:11.520 --> 07:14.840 in the I was adrenaline in in the moment and 07:15.480 --> 07:17.840 Well, well oiled with from my hip flask 07:17.840 --> 07:24.080 And I suddenly became aware that my finger was really hurting in my glove 07:24.220 --> 07:30.680 And I was thinking why why it really really hurts and I thought oh if I ignore it, it'll go away 07:30.680 --> 07:38.620 And it didn't go away. It just got the pain was sometimes agonizing and I had to adjust my my 07:40.880 --> 07:45.440 Your reins normally go through there and I had to adjust my reins 07:45.440 --> 07:48.020 So they went through there and it sort of hold the brains at a funny angle 07:48.020 --> 07:50.680 The problem was the horse. I was on 07:51.820 --> 07:52.820 was a 07:53.280 --> 07:55.760 an ex racehorse and 07:55.760 --> 08:01.680 He hadn't got a bit. He doesn't like having a bit and I had no brakes 08:01.680 --> 08:08.080 So I was pulling really hard at the at the reins to try and stop them over taking all the other horses 08:08.080 --> 08:13.800 Which obviously he was doing because he was a racehorse every time I tried to tuck him behind another horse to slow him down 08:13.800 --> 08:18.200 He'd just he'd find a way through it was it was it was really quite a scary experience 08:18.660 --> 08:20.620 but it was also exciting and 08:22.840 --> 08:27.480 The pain just got worse and I and I just sort of dosed it with with 08:28.100 --> 08:29.660 With with dams and gin 08:30.800 --> 08:34.820 and they stuck at it for a two more hours, but 08:35.880 --> 08:40.340 After that somebody said to me because like they could see I was in pain and I was riding in a funny 08:40.340 --> 08:42.300 You know, but I was holding the reins in a funny way 08:43.000 --> 08:48.640 They said have you had a good day and I said yes, and she said 08:49.080 --> 08:56.160 Don't you think you should quit work while you're ahead rather than carrying on with a broken finger and somebody else said 08:56.160 --> 09:01.820 I've got some paracetamol if you want and I said you actually break it just holding on to the reins 09:01.820 --> 09:09.060 Is that what you mean? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how it happened. Maybe I hit the saddle. Maybe the horse is pulling so hard 09:09.880 --> 09:12.820 Maybe I'd caught it on the next drop. I don't know. I didn't come off 09:12.820 --> 09:15.360 I asked this James is because I'm getting horse riding on Saturday 09:15.360 --> 09:17.740 With my children 09:19.800 --> 09:21.880 Not fast I 09:23.100 --> 09:23.920 Would say to you 09:23.920 --> 09:30.300 I don't have any kind of accident because of my piano thing, which is my life chances of I've 09:30.300 --> 09:31.780 Apparently it does happen 09:31.780 --> 09:36.860 But but I think you'd have to happen doing something like being hunting under under extreme conditions 09:36.860 --> 09:43.060 Not trotting around hyper on a racehorse. You're not gonna break your finger. Just holding some reins. No 09:45.440 --> 09:49.160 Heavily on the Chinese zodiac James and apparently this isn't a good year for me 09:49.940 --> 09:55.280 I don't I don't think it's even pot. I didn't think it was even possible. I mean, I'm very surprised that I managed to do it 09:55.280 --> 10:01.720 I don't know what happened. Anyway, can I ask why you looked at your phone though to check the weather how the weather felt that really bothers me 10:03.080 --> 10:05.840 No, I wanted to see what the temperature was 10:07.320 --> 10:12.860 And you can't these days look at your weather app without discovering not only what the the 10:12.860 --> 10:15.160 Temperature is minus the wind speed 10:16.020 --> 10:23.460 But no, but what also is the temperature now now the what the temperature is also with the wind speed and 10:24.540 --> 10:30.230 Yeah, that was all um, so but I agree it's silly. Um, so I 10:31.560 --> 10:33.460 Had a hospital appointment to 10:34.060 --> 10:36.820 To go in this afternoon to go and have it looked at 10:37.480 --> 10:40.560 Well, I could tell you more about this if you're interested 10:41.420 --> 10:43.120 I'm gonna tell you about it anyway cuz about 10:44.900 --> 10:46.220 Yeah, so I 10:46.760 --> 10:50.400 Thought well, I can't get a taxi because the hospital's miles away and that would cost me a lot 10:50.400 --> 10:53.340 I'm gonna have to get a hire car 10:54.200 --> 10:57.000 so I hired a car on on on 10:58.280 --> 11:03.580 Saturday because I couldn't get it Jakes my wife's in the office. So I couldn't have I couldn't have got a lift 11:03.580 --> 11:09.520 I couldn't have got a lift to the higher car base. So I had to hire it for you know three days rather than one 11:10.980 --> 11:12.180 So I spent 11:12.820 --> 11:17.980 124 pounds the cheapest I could I could spend hiring a hiring the smallest car 11:17.980 --> 11:21.740 I could find except they upgraded me because they don't do small cars these days 11:22.620 --> 11:23.080 anyway 11:25.100 --> 11:29.660 This morning I get the post and I hope I think well 11:29.660 --> 11:33.400 There's a letter from the NHS here, but it doesn't matter because I'm going to see the hospital 11:33.400 --> 11:36.700 They're going to see them this afternoon and it said we are sorry 11:36.700 --> 11:41.200 We've had to cancel your appointment this afternoon and it's next week and 11:42.180 --> 11:46.680 So I spent 124 pounds on a hire car 11:46.680 --> 11:51.720 Which I'm not going to use except all I'm gonna do I've run out of milk 11:52.440 --> 11:57.360 I've run out of milk from my tea that I haven't had yet because I'm fasting this morning 11:57.360 --> 11:59.220 And you can't have tea when you're fasting 12:01.220 --> 12:05.320 I'm just having just shit like it's got 12:06.420 --> 12:11.060 It's got no nutrition. No new milk no milk in it. So that doesn't count um and 12:12.120 --> 12:18.480 So it's gonna be 124 pounds for a bottle of milk to put in my tea 12:19.880 --> 12:21.980 Yeah, so that's my day 12:22.500 --> 12:24.820 Turn from the garage. Don't you that's fun 12:25.920 --> 12:31.120 It's weird. I broke my tail last September and it ruined my whole life and I didn't even realize at the time 12:31.120 --> 12:35.720 I just thought it was a broken toe, but actually everything went to shit after that just something that tiny 12:36.560 --> 12:39.960 Fine now. It's it's extraordinary. Isn't it how? 12:41.180 --> 12:47.920 Kind of apparently inconsequential thing like like breaking your finger actually is a real pain 12:47.920 --> 12:48.880 I mean 12:50.120 --> 12:51.980 My life's james that changed the world 12:53.680 --> 12:57.820 Do you think it is it's like it's like the butterfly the butterfly in the rain forest 12:58.400 --> 13:01.960 that the changes that causes a hurricane in in I 13:02.880 --> 13:03.180 Don't know 13:03.180 --> 13:06.740 No, I'm on a completely different life path 13:07.800 --> 13:13.840 Well, how did you have any theories on how you're stubbing your toe? What what why did it go to shit your life? 13:15.200 --> 13:20.260 Well, firstly because I didn't I didn't um, I didn't realize so yeah 13:20.260 --> 13:26.240 I just it was because I'm very very fit James not to you are your well-fits on you 13:26.240 --> 13:27.820 We all know that whoa 13:28.870 --> 13:32.440 No, I don't know. I'm physically as I'm a healthy person 13:33.020 --> 13:40.620 Well, and it means that I don't really need much sleep and stuff and I can drive through stressful situations because I'm fit 13:41.140 --> 13:43.260 physically fit healthy and 13:43.900 --> 13:47.680 When I broke my toe, I couldn't do anything anymore 13:47.680 --> 13:53.540 So I was still driving through what is what has been one of the more 13:54.160 --> 14:00.380 So we delicately say stressful periods of my life, but without anything to offset my 14:01.920 --> 14:07.340 My override and by Christmas, which is which is 14:08.120 --> 14:10.400 Christmas is amazing with small children 14:10.400 --> 14:16.220 But as everybody knows I'm going to a very acrimonious divorce and so it was a delicate balancing act 14:16.220 --> 14:19.560 It's we're all in the same house and I everything sort of them 14:20.100 --> 14:23.740 Well, I just fell apart and then 14:24.580 --> 14:27.600 after and it was literally just this 14:28.600 --> 14:30.880 Because I'd stopped balancing things out 14:32.680 --> 14:33.200 and 14:33.200 --> 14:34.440 Say now I've had to 14:35.140 --> 14:35.660 completely 14:36.660 --> 14:43.020 Give up everything. I basically went back to Bikram, which is this hot room yogi that I'm obsessed with you think is the devil's work 14:43.760 --> 14:46.900 Devils normally I can do ours of it 14:46.900 --> 14:52.380 And I went and I think anybody that has to even take a break for a second is weak and 14:53.400 --> 14:55.560 Pathetic, and I'm very judgmental 14:55.560 --> 14:59.680 Do you hear them? He spit at them in the car. I just I just 14:59.680 --> 15:08.840 Think that they're sad and I went to this class and I didn't know James if I was going to faint vomit or shit myself 15:13.340 --> 15:16.540 Had to lie down I couldn't I couldn't even speak and 15:17.100 --> 15:21.600 Anyway, so since then I've everything's fine. I just got sick and I'm fine 15:22.380 --> 15:23.960 but it's amazing because 15:23.960 --> 15:30.380 Sex everything else that affects how you I think that the whole of life is it is an energy exchange and 15:31.540 --> 15:37.940 When you're when your own energy is corrupted, it's it's disastrous in ways that you couldn't possibly anticipate 15:39.420 --> 15:40.540 Yes, yes 15:42.440 --> 15:47.900 I've definitely been feeling a lot worse in in in many different ways as a result of this kind of minor 15:48.420 --> 15:52.780 Injury, I mean I've been very upset that I can't go hunting although. I suppose if I were really brave 15:52.780 --> 15:55.960 I'd have just said ah sod it strap yourself up and kick on 15:57.120 --> 15:57.600 and 15:57.600 --> 15:59.500 It's definitely affected me 16:00.540 --> 16:04.820 Mentally, which is which is and also I wanted to tell you about 16:05.960 --> 16:06.920 that my 16:07.920 --> 16:14.520 My sort of moment of personal revelation, not that it isn't obvious when I went to this 16:15.150 --> 16:16.620 hospital to 16:16.620 --> 16:20.610 have my finger looked at and I 16:22.720 --> 16:25.740 Realized the degree to which 16:26.770 --> 16:28.180 hospitals are 16:28.890 --> 16:29.980 killing machines 16:30.750 --> 16:33.640 posing as as sort of 16:34.210 --> 16:36.240 lifesavers and and and I 16:36.240 --> 16:39.720 Don't want to get at the people who are actually in the system because 16:40.860 --> 16:47.060 They're they're often hard-working decent people. You know the woman who looked at my finger was 16:49.420 --> 16:54.110 She she she cared and she and she did the best job she could it but I 16:56.160 --> 16:59.920 I went to the hospital once and I walked through the room 16:59.920 --> 17:05.660 It's like a sort of big hallway and on either side of the wall. There are people sitting there 17:06.340 --> 17:07.680 getting their chemo 17:08.820 --> 17:13.760 And they're they'll form with their loved ones who are sort of keeping them company and they're sort of trying to not to be bored 17:13.760 --> 17:18.040 So I think they've got to have quite a long time having this stuff pumped into them 17:19.540 --> 17:19.980 and 17:20.860 --> 17:21.800 I was thinking 17:23.700 --> 17:31.140 This this supposed therapy you're having is is nothing of the kind it was this is this is Rockefeller medicine 17:31.140 --> 17:36.860 Which was designed as the part of sort of systematic slaughter process 17:36.860 --> 17:45.100 To go with all the other methods that they've introduced to kill people are starting obviously with vaccines and and and so on and 17:45.600 --> 17:49.980 We live in a country where supposedly the NHS is 17:51.160 --> 17:53.800 Yeah, it's our NHS it's our national 17:54.260 --> 17:54.500 But 17:56.460 --> 18:01.240 You know it's that devilish anyway, just because it's so full of bureaucracy and 18:02.340 --> 18:06.660 The moment you have that much admin. There is no humanity left in it 18:06.660 --> 18:10.980 I've I'm got I'm partial to looking at these them Christie's catalogs 18:10.980 --> 18:15.020 You know anyone that email for these auction houses not that I could ever afford any of these things 18:15.020 --> 18:17.980 I just like I like Christie's catalogs 18:17.980 --> 18:22.880 although of course the Christie's and Sotheby's are 18:24.020 --> 18:30.280 Demonic, obviously, I mean they're all owned by well, I think probably at this point most things are but what I really 18:30.280 --> 18:33.960 Is the I've been thinking a lot about this 18:34.480 --> 18:38.320 I want to talk to you actually about the Urbora seating at St. Elf. We'll get to that in a second 18:38.320 --> 18:39.800 I was looking at this Christie's catalog 18:40.520 --> 18:47.340 Because what I really really like at these them collections of the discerning collector, which is basically all of the 18:48.040 --> 18:53.900 You know all of the figurines that the children can't wait to cash in that they when their parents die 18:53.900 --> 18:55.940 they're very rich parents and 18:57.100 --> 19:01.980 But I really like these collections because they're so eclectic and because they're 19:03.120 --> 19:09.860 They're defined by nothing other than someone's personal taste obviously we can accept that everything in these collections has value 19:10.460 --> 19:11.300 but they 19:12.160 --> 19:13.380 They're very peculiar 19:16.120 --> 19:19.080 So what are they listed as? 19:20.260 --> 19:24.560 So when they when someone rich dies instead of it being a proper catalog 19:25.360 --> 19:31.080 It's you know, it's basically everything that the bereaved children are trying to cash in at high speed. Yes, okay 19:31.080 --> 19:33.460 The collection of dot-dot-dot 19:34.000 --> 19:38.620 Yes, and those are the things I like to look through because they're the things that people have specifically collected over time 19:38.620 --> 19:43.980 that obviously half of the family hates but has to grudgingly respect because of its price tag and 19:44.780 --> 19:49.800 But they they always have in this recent collection I was looking at they had a picture a painting of the quack doctor 19:50.540 --> 19:53.880 And you see it constantly coming up through art. I'm not talking 19:53.880 --> 19:57.180 I'm talking about all of the obscure artists and most writers 19:58.100 --> 19:59.140 Gerta Dostoevsky 19:59.140 --> 20:04.660 They they all understand that the doctor is is a often a quack playing on your 20:04.660 --> 20:11.720 Hypercondria and your need for reassurance and your fear and your your fear of your own mortality and your own 20:13.580 --> 20:17.820 Fluctuating energy you're really when you're ill you just need to get rid of something toxic 20:17.820 --> 20:23.940 But obviously the most important thing to get rid of is bad thoughts and a doctor can give you loads of those 20:23.940 --> 20:27.620 But when they were outside a system when they just used to wander from house to house 20:27.620 --> 20:32.220 Everybody could see what they were sometimes they were good sometimes they were bad 20:32.820 --> 20:35.640 But now that they're just in a huge machine 20:36.360 --> 20:39.720 They they have no responsibility. They have no 20:40.580 --> 20:41.960 There's no way of them 20:43.000 --> 20:49.140 There's there's no community inside the hospital that anyone outside the hospital could recognize 20:49.140 --> 20:54.360 Which means that there's no responsibility to the patient and there's no repercussions 20:55.120 --> 21:01.100 It's it's not it's completely and not it's monstrous. It's completely anonymous for reasons 21:01.100 --> 21:04.920 I can't be bothered to go into I was in Great Oldman Street Hospital for my completely healthy children 21:05.860 --> 21:08.300 which is ironically stressful and 21:10.760 --> 21:15.700 And my son accidentally pulled down these pride flags 21:18.680 --> 21:25.000 Yeah, the receptionist she raced out to restore our sexual liberation trying to carry all of these 21:25.000 --> 21:27.960 Flags up again and she she couldn't do it 21:27.960 --> 21:34.760 But it was because the the flags went one corner of the children's ward to the other corner and then across again 21:35.640 --> 21:41.740 And I was looking at it thinking how could why are they here in the children's ward? 21:41.980 --> 21:47.220 Is it that a genuine apparent who whose child is actually sick who's under that terrible stress is 21:47.220 --> 21:51.820 Relieved that someone somewhere is sniffing a load of poppers having a wild time at a rave that weekend 21:51.820 --> 21:56.980 I just I can't understand the logic of them being there. I 21:56.980 --> 21:58.200 Can't I don't understand it 21:58.200 --> 22:04.950 but also the whole system now is that you can the child's body has become a battlefield of ideas and 22:05.620 --> 22:08.930 the state and the system itself is 22:10.320 --> 22:14.860 Quite happy to assume illness instead of health and a healthy child 22:15.580 --> 22:17.580 because it generates money and 22:18.780 --> 22:24.500 It's it's a similar thing is once you have this much bureaucracy and once you have this much cash 22:25.180 --> 22:32.340 even ignoring all the actual pharmaceuticals even even if it was once you have that once you have that kind of industry 22:32.340 --> 22:35.820 you have to supply something to it and 22:36.360 --> 22:38.780 What we're supplying to it is that as our children 22:39.720 --> 22:42.320 We've long ago abandoned our elderly to it 22:42.320 --> 22:46.560 We've long ago severed all ties of responsibility to other family members and 22:47.140 --> 22:51.820 Given them all to the machine and now we're putting our children into it because there's nothing else to put into it 22:51.820 --> 22:57.520 It's the only thing now that will keep it standing people imagine that the NHS needs more money to keep going 22:57.520 --> 22:59.340 But it doesn't what it needs is more patience 22:59.820 --> 23:03.100 What it needs is is more human sacrifice and the only 23:03.100 --> 23:08.460 People that we have left to give is out as our children and a similar thing is happening 23:08.460 --> 23:13.460 I think with AI Dominic Frisbee is an excellent example of this because he's so 23:14.580 --> 23:16.840 Intelligent and talented, but also pragmatic 23:17.700 --> 23:23.900 So he uses AI he's just written an article on it about how he's quite happy to use it for certain things 23:23.900 --> 23:27.880 To generate PR for himself. It's doing the things he wouldn't like to write 23:28.680 --> 23:33.480 To if he needs to deal with admin or some sort of I think he even said personal feedback 23:34.820 --> 23:37.320 Now I think that AI is 23:38.460 --> 23:43.020 The devil incarnate. I think it's the if the final move to 23:44.300 --> 23:45.600 relinquish us of 23:48.220 --> 23:55.560 Creativity which is our attachment to God I think but yeah, what people imagine and Dominic is one of them 23:56.300 --> 24:02.820 That it's just a question of how quickly it advances and whether it can do certain things like have a sense of humor 24:03.340 --> 24:09.660 But AI is not to do with how quickly the machine advances. It's to do with how quickly we devolve 24:10.580 --> 24:14.540 So it's not to do the machine can already do at most things 24:14.540 --> 24:19.120 I think but we haven't become stupid enough to 24:19.120 --> 24:21.720 To think that that has total value yet 24:21.720 --> 24:26.980 We are still at a point when we appreciate an original painting in situ 24:26.980 --> 24:29.780 We appreciate stained glass in situ 24:29.780 --> 24:36.620 We appreciate something with its attachment to the ritual itself of its creation and its place and in 24:38.280 --> 24:41.620 Context and AI is is 24:42.380 --> 24:49.340 Severing that entirely is the sort of final endpoint of art in the mechanic age mechanical reproduction, you know 24:49.340 --> 24:53.040 It's and I don't think anybody should use it at all 24:53.040 --> 24:57.320 I don't think that they shouldn't use it because it's going to get better and replace us 24:57.320 --> 25:02.220 I don't think that they should use it because it's making them simple-minded 25:02.800 --> 25:07.180 It's it's making them stupid and it's removing their taste 25:07.800 --> 25:11.140 So there will be no more eclectic collections. They will just be 25:11.720 --> 25:16.420 That woman Marie Kundo and an empty room with a laptop in it like that awful advert 25:17.000 --> 25:20.700 It will it will all be over and it won't be because the machine advanced 25:20.700 --> 25:25.460 It will be because we became really thick and we did it voluntarily for want of attention 25:28.440 --> 25:34.180 Um, that's depressing but true I think all you say I don't I don't use it 25:34.840 --> 25:35.400 Good 25:37.400 --> 25:44.800 Well for that for yeah, I mean, I think I think instinctively I've grasped that what you say is is 25:44.800 --> 25:46.820 True that I 25:47.460 --> 25:47.740 I 25:48.720 --> 25:49.380 Suspect 25:51.000 --> 25:52.480 Not being bitchy 25:52.480 --> 25:57.860 But I suspect that that somebody that we know 25:58.620 --> 26:02.280 Uses AI for his his articles. I don't I 26:02.280 --> 26:07.880 The sort of people who do use a I for their articles. I think already it's a kind of deal breaker 26:09.860 --> 26:12.180 Because you're driving at James 26:14.700 --> 26:21.080 You don't know what I'm driving at no, is it important for me to stay here for the record that I don't think you're an MI5 agent 26:29.900 --> 26:36.220 You would provide your VIP guests with one free slice of pizza at your events not our whole pizza 26:36.220 --> 26:39.340 I think that would be suspicious, but I think that they'd get a 26:40.680 --> 26:45.120 Slice of pizza with that bell ringing if you were an MI5 agent I 26:47.180 --> 26:48.140 think I 26:48.140 --> 26:49.640 Think um 26:50.420 --> 26:58.240 That if I were if wait, I mean I'm not running it out if I am in my five or am I six if you are 26:58.240 --> 27:00.380 That's exciting for me because you'll be 27:02.260 --> 27:09.220 Exciting for you because it means you you've you've you're talking to an MI5 agent, which is which is interesting 27:09.860 --> 27:14.260 But for me, it's exciting because it means I'm really really really good at my job 27:14.260 --> 27:19.860 Guess I don't think many people have suspected. I mean apart from mad mad people on 27:19.860 --> 27:26.560 Substance about this. There's a sort of I think about 10 people think that and and everyone else has been fooled 27:26.560 --> 27:30.020 Which is which I think is a tribute to my 27:30.020 --> 27:33.100 my talents of deception and 27:33.660 --> 27:34.760 It doesn't matter 27:36.380 --> 27:36.860 No 27:36.860 --> 27:39.540 Well, it doesn't matter to me because I'm not sleeping with you 27:39.540 --> 27:45.240 So I wouldn't feel personally let down, but also I am I'm not sure it would really matter 27:45.860 --> 27:51.520 I think everybody's too muddled now. So I've really been thinking about this a lot 27:54.280 --> 27:58.460 I'm sure I've bored you with it before that the best comedian I've ever seen in real life 27:58.460 --> 28:03.140 Had such terrific charisma. It's almost impossible to describe unless you see it 28:03.140 --> 28:05.280 It's it's a it's an energy that's 28:06.540 --> 28:09.700 Incalculable and can't be bottled and years later 28:09.700 --> 28:13.840 I saw them on television doing exactly the same jokes and it was crap 28:13.840 --> 28:17.740 And it was crap because the television itself gives people charisma 28:17.740 --> 28:24.280 Which is how they're able to promote absolute idiots who will say exactly what they're told to say and will 28:24.280 --> 28:28.420 Regurgitate whatever writing they're given and who are entirely dependent on the 28:28.420 --> 28:33.120 System because they don't exist without it. They don't even exist in a room 28:33.120 --> 28:36.820 They only exist through the the medium of the technology 28:37.600 --> 28:40.220 But how does it curious to me charisma? 28:42.040 --> 28:44.160 Well, just by virtue of being on it 28:44.740 --> 28:47.600 people that is the charisma so 28:48.140 --> 28:51.080 The man that had charisma in real life when he was on television 28:51.080 --> 28:56.800 He was indistinguishable from the other people you couldn't tell that he was the one that had charisma 28:56.800 --> 29:03.380 All you could see was that all of these people went out did their thing the lights flashed the audience cheered I 29:03.980 --> 29:06.460 Could tell the difference because I'd seen them all live 29:06.460 --> 29:12.920 One of these men was a genius and what and the rest words but on the television. They were all the same 29:12.920 --> 29:17.940 They were all democratized in that way what distinguished them was that they were on the screen 29:17.940 --> 29:20.340 It wasn't what they were saying. It wasn't what they were doing 29:20.340 --> 29:25.200 It it wasn't to do with anything at all. It was just bells and whistles and 29:26.160 --> 29:32.540 Flashing at the bless you and and looking at the audience and and that's not real either by the way. That's all fake 29:33.640 --> 29:34.080 but 29:36.580 --> 29:39.500 So in the last decade or so 29:40.040 --> 29:45.700 Every bit there used to be this huge world on the periphery, which is where I wanted to be I wanted to be on the edge 29:45.700 --> 29:49.380 I wanted to be in the basement with depressed people telling jokes to fools and 29:49.380 --> 29:49.660 Em 29:50.460 --> 29:54.200 But that whole outside everything the burlesque 29:54.740 --> 30:01.080 The the freak that even the circus is now a run on QR codes and and tokens and cards 30:01.860 --> 30:07.880 Everything has been brought into the center and I used to think that the center had been pushed to the periphery 30:07.880 --> 30:10.840 but I don't think that now I think that everything is in a muddle and 30:11.820 --> 30:13.620 it's supposed to be in a muddle and 30:14.600 --> 30:16.660 the people like us that 30:17.340 --> 30:20.500 Imagine we can see where the world's going and we don't like its direction 30:21.280 --> 30:27.040 We are always predicting what will happen to the future this digital prison this digital ID 30:28.020 --> 30:35.780 But I actually think that this is the interesting moment for the powers that be this is the interesting moment where you're catching 30:36.340 --> 30:41.280 The residuum of freedom because at this point we're still free 30:41.280 --> 30:46.740 To an extent or as much as we were to make our own creative choices to 30:48.020 --> 30:53.740 Meet who we wish to meet to define our own tastes to collect our own stuff 30:53.740 --> 30:59.400 The only reason we're following we I never had to do lockdown. I didn't take any injection 31:00.100 --> 31:07.260 The reason that we imagine we're being coerced or push this way or that is because we're really too lazy to say no 31:07.260 --> 31:12.320 But this is the moment that it's interesting once everybody is captured 31:13.020 --> 31:15.340 That's just when the people in power 31:15.340 --> 31:19.320 They won't have anyone left to be interested in apart from each other and they'll kill themselves 31:19.320 --> 31:22.560 Just like it was after the French Revolution when they all chopped each other's heads off 31:23.280 --> 31:23.800 because 31:24.560 --> 31:26.960 This is this is the moment in other words 31:27.580 --> 31:30.340 before we're all dead in our souls 31:31.660 --> 31:38.440 That there is anything for anybody to do there is there is still a moment now for us to be corraled into this 31:38.440 --> 31:44.580 This circle which means that there's a huge possibility for all of the interesting people to step outside it and 31:45.920 --> 31:49.600 That's another thing that's been bothering me because it's a bit like gentrification 31:50.360 --> 31:56.500 You always hear that you know rich people move to a certain shabby area and then suddenly everyone wants to live there like 31:56.500 --> 31:58.600 Hackney, but it's not really true 31:58.600 --> 32:04.820 It's that certain interesting people move to certain spots, and they're the ones that you hear about 32:04.820 --> 32:12.040 You don't hear about all the people that that move somewhere and it failed you just hear about these teeny tiny spots that were basically 32:12.720 --> 32:15.660 defined by a few people with good taste and 32:18.880 --> 32:20.680 inconspicuously moving there and 32:21.700 --> 32:22.900 I think that because 32:23.520 --> 32:27.240 charisma is being removed from the public and 32:28.080 --> 32:32.220 People don't like it in their real life anymore because they're not paying attention to it 32:32.220 --> 32:35.340 they are paying attention to 32:35.340 --> 32:37.960 their telephones or to their 32:38.920 --> 32:44.100 To their idea of what might be popular and this relentless obsession with the with the face and 32:44.760 --> 32:46.400 Modifying it from a very young age 32:47.100 --> 32:50.460 So people can't even really see what they're supposed to look like anymore 32:50.460 --> 32:55.720 They don't know what they don't know what they're supposed to look like, but I think what's actually happening is that 32:56.200 --> 33:01.280 It there's going to be a space on the outside for someone with charisma and 33:03.040 --> 33:04.600 That will be when we have 33:05.160 --> 33:09.000 Cult worship and it won't be the sort of worship of someone like Elon Musk 33:09.000 --> 33:15.500 Who's just a fantasy of someone that has loads of money can spend all of their time shit-posting on Twitter. It will be 33:17.560 --> 33:25.040 Someone with genuine charisma will be scooped up and you'll have you'll start having cults of the personality again 33:25.960 --> 33:28.320 And I'm I 33:28.320 --> 33:32.180 Don't think anyone should join those. I think it's gonna be a really awesome 33:32.180 --> 33:34.000 I was gonna ask you where you stood on 33:34.000 --> 33:39.000 Cults of the personality because I was gonna say well, Tonya. Should I be starting one? Should I be? 33:39.640 --> 33:43.880 I think they're very dangerous and I think that we've never been ready for one and 33:45.440 --> 33:48.600 And I don't think it's going to be an obvious one 33:48.600 --> 33:54.600 So it's quite clear at the moment that these different characters are being 33:55.480 --> 33:59.920 Tested, I don't know if you saw the Air and Benjamin skit where he talks about Zulander 33:59.920 --> 34:06.220 Basically trialing the idea of Biden and Trump is an excellent an excellent ten minutes 34:06.220 --> 34:09.680 They're very insightful ten minutes, but the thing about all of these characters 34:10.880 --> 34:11.740 Like Trump 34:12.940 --> 34:19.040 Yeah, I'll find it he said that they screen test these things where there's screen testing movies 34:19.040 --> 34:20.700 What they're actually doing is screen testing 34:21.580 --> 34:25.180 The kind of characters that people would find appealing in political life 34:26.200 --> 34:29.660 And they get all of the feedback and then they modify them and then they present them to the public 34:29.660 --> 34:35.500 But the the things about characters like Elon Musk and Trump to anybody with any 34:35.500 --> 34:40.040 residual sense of discernment is that they're obviously characters and there's there's nothing there to 34:40.640 --> 34:41.400 Grieve them 34:42.180 --> 34:44.840 They can't be wounded because they're not real 34:45.620 --> 34:50.180 But I think that the when the cult of the personality arises again 34:50.180 --> 34:53.900 It will be from a from a person that is not 34:54.920 --> 35:02.700 Given to us from the mainstream it will look like they're coming from the outside and they probably will in as much as 35:03.400 --> 35:07.100 That will be how the most authentic cult can be formed and 35:08.200 --> 35:13.600 All of these other ideas, you know these silly figures like Tommy Robinson or you know, whatever 35:14.560 --> 35:15.680 They are 35:17.320 --> 35:22.140 They're just different ways of testing how much sincerity you need 35:23.500 --> 35:30.660 To catch the public's imagination, but I think that though the ones to worry about are going to be 35:31.460 --> 35:33.780 the people that genuinely have 35:35.740 --> 35:39.300 Charisma and it's hard to imagine that there are any of those left 35:39.300 --> 35:41.380 but there will be a few and 35:41.380 --> 35:48.740 It's important not to worship them because it's going to be a terrible shock. I think to people that have become completely 35:49.760 --> 35:57.320 Ineared to charisma and are completely conformist and think that charisma is fame or recognition 35:58.160 --> 36:02.480 Those people aren't going to be prepared for charisma. They're going to you 36:03.100 --> 36:04.920 fall to their knees before it 36:05.620 --> 36:07.980 Because it's an overwhelming force 36:10.200 --> 36:15.260 So your your charismatic man or woman is going to come from 36:15.780 --> 36:19.540 So-called a way a man is going to come from awake circles 36:22.260 --> 36:28.400 Um, I'm not sure I don't know. It's not for me to prophecy. I I just think this 36:31.120 --> 36:35.680 I can hear horses in the background. Yeah, I was just thinking at myself 36:36.360 --> 36:38.940 Normally if you hear a horse around here, it's police 36:40.780 --> 36:47.380 When I lived in Camden you'd hear them all clippity cloppity down there down the high street past all of the painted houses 36:48.300 --> 36:54.340 Because for me, it's that when I hear clippy cloppy. It means it's the hunt going by and I was rushed out to see them 36:54.340 --> 36:55.800 And see who's out that day 36:56.560 --> 36:58.240 Do you still hunt? Is it that? 36:58.920 --> 37:04.340 What kind of hunting is it? Is it that um scent hunting or is it Fox hunting or you're not allowed to tell me online in case you 37:04.340 --> 37:13.140 Yeah, yeah exactly, but I mean it's like it's quite exciting and you jump over things and and and 37:13.140 --> 37:14.980 Have good adventures 37:17.200 --> 37:19.240 Yeah, I've been thinking 37:19.240 --> 37:23.180 The man downstairs is calling me home. Okay 37:25.440 --> 37:27.120 Hello, yeah 37:28.940 --> 37:29.780 Okay 37:31.040 --> 37:31.880 Okay 37:36.820 --> 37:37.580 All right 37:41.340 --> 37:47.740 Global warming is a massive calm. There was no evidence whatsoever 37:47.740 --> 37:55.480 That man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle 37:55.480 --> 37:58.120 In order to deal with it. It's a non-existent problem 37:58.120 --> 38:03.980 But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends? Well? 38:04.160 --> 38:09.680 I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book 38:10.600 --> 38:14.120 Watermelons which captures the story of how 38:14.640 --> 38:16.380 some really nasty people 38:16.380 --> 38:25.460 Decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land 38:26.060 --> 38:31.020 It's a shocking story. I wrote it as I say in there while 2011 actually 38:31.020 --> 38:33.930 if the first edition came out and 38:34.280 --> 38:42.180 It's a snapshot of a particular era the era when the people behind the China climate change scan 38:42.180 --> 38:44.240 Got caught red-handed 38:44.860 --> 38:45.960 Tinkering with the data 38:46.500 --> 38:50.400 Torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen 38:51.140 --> 38:58.900 Climategate so I give you the background to to the skull jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where these supposed 38:58.900 --> 39:02.440 Experts were reforming us. We've got to act now. I 39:02.440 --> 39:07.340 Rumbled there's their scan. I then asked the question. Okay, if it is a scan 39:07.340 --> 39:12.100 Who's doing this and and why it's a good story? 39:12.460 --> 39:17.680 I I've kept the the original book pretty much as is but I've written two 39:17.680 --> 39:21.560 New chapters one at the beginning and one at the end 39:22.120 --> 39:28.060 Explaining how it's even worse than we thought. I think it's a good. I think it still stands up 39:28.060 --> 39:31.520 I think it's it's a good read. I obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it 39:31.520 --> 39:35.300 You can buy it from James Delling poll dot co.uk 39:35.900 --> 39:42.180 Forward slash shop. You're probably fine. I just go to my website and look for it James Delling poll dot co.uk 39:42.180 --> 39:48.620 And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to 39:48.620 --> 39:52.660 Bring around all those people who are still persuaded that 39:53.260 --> 39:59.820 It's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother God. No, we don't it's a scam 40:03.600 --> 40:04.600 Here I am 40:04.600 --> 40:12.040 Hello, I had to deal. I had to deal with a tradesman and I just I had to answer questions 40:12.040 --> 40:13.460 and and and 40:14.120 --> 40:21.140 Listen to what he said. It's otherwise what would happen is the wife would get back and say how did blah blah blah blah blah go? 40:21.280 --> 40:28.660 And I said, oh, yeah, so he came and blah blah blah and did he do the so-and-so and did it and what about this and I go 40:30.120 --> 40:31.840 So I have to pretend like 40:35.040 --> 40:35.760 Things to 40:37.680 --> 40:38.860 Just toss them 40:40.360 --> 40:46.700 Yeah, admin is really boring, but it needs to be done. Um, oh, I've been reading Alan Watts, actually 40:50.280 --> 40:50.760 Yes 40:54.180 --> 40:55.780 We'd be having a mad lover for 40:55.780 --> 40:58.700 Well, it's quite interesting actually I spent 40:59.480 --> 41:01.700 my children are in Ireland for the weekend and 41:03.540 --> 41:06.180 with their father and 41:07.100 --> 41:09.480 I really don't like it 41:10.920 --> 41:13.000 But actually I've had an amazing time 41:13.000 --> 41:18.780 I've been playing music and reading for about 12 to 14 hours a day, but um, I've been designing these 41:18.780 --> 41:20.180 Well adapting 41:21.020 --> 41:27.740 simple children's games to see how you could teach them about music and I think I'm gonna have these prototypes made in 41:27.740 --> 41:33.460 March, I've had a really good time making stuff. That's not the point. The point is I was reading Alan Watts and 41:34.080 --> 41:38.380 I was reading John Garnier who wrote The Worship of the Dead at the same time 41:38.860 --> 41:42.840 So John Garnier is a Christian who this book is on sin 41:44.400 --> 41:46.760 And Alan Watts is on Zen and 41:47.420 --> 41:53.300 Beat or square Zen they have very different perspectives. Yeah, I really like Alan Watts, but obviously 41:54.140 --> 41:56.380 You either believe in God or you don't do 41:57.060 --> 41:59.660 Well, that's it. He obviously doesn't believe in God 42:00.260 --> 42:07.120 He believes in the the universe, but he doesn't believe in the hierarchy and I'm I'm fascinated in this at the moment because 42:08.000 --> 42:08.440 for 42:08.900 --> 42:13.960 One person they'd say there is no suffering and to the other person they'd say suffering brings you closer to God 42:14.440 --> 42:17.400 But I have to be honest James and I was reading the book on sin 42:17.400 --> 42:20.500 I was filled with existential dread and every time I turned to Alan Watts 42:20.500 --> 42:24.280 I felt much calmer and I I don't think either of them are necessarily wrong 42:25.380 --> 42:25.820 um 42:25.820 --> 42:30.040 And then I started reading Dostoevsky and and he's just funny 42:30.960 --> 42:31.780 Well, surely 42:33.620 --> 42:40.820 If you're if you're a Christian, I mean, it's all very well saying. Oh, he believes in the universe. Well, what what what universe? 42:41.820 --> 42:43.800 So he doesn't believe in the hierarchy 42:44.540 --> 42:46.220 So, okay. Well, what does he believe? 42:47.020 --> 42:53.680 A charismatic question doesn't believe in the hierarchy either. I was talking to this about um, allister about this 42:54.340 --> 42:57.140 I don't believe in their uh charismatic christianity 42:57.140 --> 42:59.440 But by I've just got to a point 42:59.440 --> 43:07.660 I said this to you before that I went back in time and started reading people from 150 years ago and their arguments about our purpose for being here 43:07.660 --> 43:09.740 And why and even John Garnier 43:10.340 --> 43:14.540 So my favorite um christian writer is philip sharrard 43:15.120 --> 43:16.380 um, but then 43:17.120 --> 43:20.860 And I love his christianity and eros, but then I read Joseph de Maistre and his 43:20.860 --> 43:28.420 Considering asked once you read divorce and I just think well they are there are two people with ostensibly similar ideas that couldn't be further removed from each other 43:28.940 --> 43:29.240 so 43:30.060 --> 43:34.760 uh philip sharrard certainly believes in the purpose of a monk or the purpose of asceticism 43:34.760 --> 43:37.700 And John Garnier would say that the cruelest people 43:38.560 --> 43:43.400 Alive would be the ascetic or the catholic priest that hasn't 43:43.400 --> 43:43.940 um 43:43.940 --> 43:48.840 Doesn't have the familiarity of day to day love and is therefore hardened of heart 43:49.400 --> 43:53.480 So it's all very well saying hey, you can't believe in zen man and believe in god 43:54.120 --> 43:55.620 well, you could put 43:56.460 --> 43:58.720 three christians in the same room and if they were 43:59.740 --> 44:01.480 Informed enough of their own tradition 44:02.200 --> 44:04.440 They they couldn't possibly be compatible 44:05.200 --> 44:09.400 And I think that that's fine. I think that these differences are 44:09.980 --> 44:10.420 vital 44:11.080 --> 44:15.220 If we're going to have any kind of character left at all and we're not just a big 44:16.580 --> 44:18.880 Swamp of shit that can be 44:20.760 --> 44:21.320 Harvested 44:22.260 --> 44:23.120 Harvested by 44:24.160 --> 44:31.660 Evil people. I think all of our energy is being harvested and the way to keep it for ourselves and share it amongst ourselves 44:32.220 --> 44:34.100 Is to be different to each other 44:34.660 --> 44:40.980 And I really am interested in this energy feeding. I think that we um, we feed off our children 44:41.700 --> 44:44.220 Hopefully we give to them and it's part of a flow 44:44.220 --> 44:45.160 but I think that 44:45.900 --> 44:51.180 If if god is the divine flow, some people have access to it probably because they're pure 44:51.940 --> 44:55.640 And other people have access to the people that have access to it 44:56.140 --> 45:02.640 But all children are pure so all children have access to the divine flow and I think consciously or unconsciously 45:02.640 --> 45:04.740 We feed on our children's energy 45:05.300 --> 45:07.060 When we don't have any of our own 45:08.880 --> 45:11.420 And I'm not sure that the um 45:12.280 --> 45:17.060 Energy we think we're getting from other things is necessarily good and I think that Alan Watts 45:17.780 --> 45:21.040 Absolutely had access to good energy and that that 45:21.740 --> 45:23.600 That has something to say for itself 45:24.600 --> 45:27.660 Um irrespective of my philosophy or philosophy 45:28.720 --> 45:31.740 So what do you think the 45:32.440 --> 45:35.700 The deal with god is because I don't know the cat in 45:37.060 --> 45:40.980 Why do you want to come in here? I don't know. Um, well my thought is is in here 45:42.280 --> 45:42.680 Sunbathing 45:43.580 --> 45:45.180 Yeah, because he's out of hibernations 45:45.180 --> 45:47.760 I can't put him back into the garden to sit because it's not quite warm enough 45:47.760 --> 45:51.320 But he's just sunbathing in the sitting room looking rather cross 45:51.900 --> 45:53.080 But I won't put him outside 45:53.520 --> 45:54.980 This cat's looking entitled 45:56.340 --> 45:57.140 um, yeah 45:58.020 --> 46:00.320 We were talking about um 46:01.660 --> 46:02.060 Dick 46:02.940 --> 46:05.180 becoming an orthobro and 46:05.180 --> 46:10.140 How is he freeing him up for more time to paint because he doesn't have to think anymore 46:10.880 --> 46:12.240 It's just foreign enough 46:12.740 --> 46:14.040 and just what looks enough 46:14.740 --> 46:15.280 I mean 46:16.600 --> 46:23.300 Orthodox is just incredibly attractive, especially when you've seen it in in rusher and you've heard the singing and stuff and and you 46:23.640 --> 46:30.880 The lives of the saints and and all that the soma and and the the noetic prayer and I love it 46:30.880 --> 46:31.600 but 46:32.500 --> 46:34.260 Even though it's really hard 46:34.800 --> 46:36.980 in in that you have to have 46:37.620 --> 46:39.040 every other days of 46:39.520 --> 46:48.480 some kind of fasting day and and and you have to stand up and and long long services and long long rituals and formally 46:49.040 --> 46:49.360 um 46:50.660 --> 46:58.100 But it's kind of laid out for you, isn't it? It's that you know what the rules are and that's very 46:59.740 --> 47:00.260 Comforting 47:00.260 --> 47:01.880 but also 47:03.480 --> 47:05.280 For freeing I suppose. Yeah 47:05.860 --> 47:09.000 But you said something about yeah, but you James 47:09.680 --> 47:15.400 And I tell you haven't really got that consolation. We're we're we're spending our whole time wrestling 47:17.200 --> 47:19.080 Yes, well because I 47:20.940 --> 47:23.040 Well, there's there's two things really firstly 47:23.040 --> 47:25.180 I got I got finally made it to the point 47:25.180 --> 47:28.360 So I said I said to you that I've been reading from these people hundreds of years ago 47:28.360 --> 47:33.640 So that I could think about why I'm here and what I'm here for but without the context of 47:34.860 --> 47:38.300 The the background noise of of my current 47:38.900 --> 47:44.260 You know the current period all important things are as current today as they were 47:44.260 --> 47:47.500 200 or 300 or 400 or a thousand years ago 47:48.060 --> 47:54.460 Everything good in man is the same and all of our important questions are the same questions 47:55.180 --> 47:56.420 But you can forget that 47:57.300 --> 47:59.840 By the distractions of contemporary life 48:00.400 --> 48:05.000 But it's finally happened that I've got to a point where people aren't just disagreeing. They 48:05.460 --> 48:10.100 I haven't read it. I don't know if you're familiar with an imitation of christ. It's a book by a famous 48:11.300 --> 48:11.820 catholic 48:12.800 --> 48:13.320 Um 48:13.900 --> 48:16.120 It's apparently a hugely important book 48:16.120 --> 48:17.940 Inimitated by thomas the campus 48:18.640 --> 48:19.160 So 48:20.460 --> 48:22.580 So I was reading an orthodox priest 48:23.260 --> 48:23.540 and 48:24.420 --> 48:28.520 He describes this book as a clear example of um 48:29.340 --> 48:29.740 um 48:30.380 --> 48:31.380 devil possession 48:33.060 --> 48:33.980 And 48:34.980 --> 48:40.420 The very things that are the people consider the most holy of holies 48:41.080 --> 48:45.220 Um, this orthodox priest who I also admire hugely 48:46.020 --> 48:47.420 considers demonic 48:47.900 --> 48:48.360 um 48:49.180 --> 48:49.640 and 48:50.460 --> 48:55.520 There's a problem right there. You've nailed it. Tony. This is this is exactly what I 48:55.520 --> 49:01.340 wrestle with every day that I see people from different areas of the 49:01.340 --> 49:07.020 You can't use the word denominations because catholics don't consider themselves a denomination or some such nonsense 49:07.460 --> 49:07.780 but 49:08.420 --> 49:08.980 you think 49:09.560 --> 49:16.160 You're all good people and and and you're all a lot of you are well read and clever and yet 49:16.920 --> 49:17.360 you're 49:18.740 --> 49:24.680 You can't agree on stuff. You can't agree on on really basic stuff. You're absolutely right. It is a problem 49:25.360 --> 49:27.260 And there's no authority you can go to 49:27.840 --> 49:29.600 But I don't think that that's a problem 49:30.220 --> 49:32.180 I think that the problem is 49:33.440 --> 49:35.800 actually defined by this orthodox priest who 49:38.140 --> 49:39.700 He's now this is interesting 49:39.700 --> 49:44.240 I mean god, um, this is too. This is too. Um complicated to go into here 49:44.240 --> 49:50.220 Suffice it to say from this from the perspective of this particular orthodox priest. He sees 49:50.830 --> 49:51.200 the 49:51.830 --> 49:54.560 um, the attack if you like as 49:54.560 --> 49:55.700 hinduism 49:57.000 --> 49:58.820 Invading western philosophy 49:59.510 --> 50:01.040 about a hundred years ago 50:01.930 --> 50:03.060 so he sees 50:03.670 --> 50:04.420 that the 50:05.170 --> 50:09.120 And some of my favorite christian writers are really, um 50:09.120 --> 50:15.440 Have reached a point where they see the parallels in hinduism and christianity and they've written really interesting stuff on it 50:15.440 --> 50:18.420 Which is why this surprised me and intrigued me 50:19.160 --> 50:19.500 so 50:20.400 --> 50:26.780 he says that um, this idea that you worship the evil one as well as the good 50:27.600 --> 50:36.000 And that all of these different religious denominations are together the mohammedan and the um christian 50:36.000 --> 50:37.380 and the hindu 50:37.380 --> 50:44.020 And the seek are all praying together in one great space to to worship one thing and putting all of their 50:44.020 --> 50:47.300 Domination or differences aside or even their actual 50:47.980 --> 50:50.860 The whole belief systems aside to pray together 50:51.830 --> 50:53.060 He says that this is 50:53.590 --> 50:56.440 The the ground for the antichrist 50:57.150 --> 51:04.460 Now irrespective what you feel about the antichrist. I I don't think it is correct for 51:05.640 --> 51:06.280 everybody 51:07.040 --> 51:07.680 um 51:09.580 --> 51:10.660 To be 51:12.100 --> 51:16.140 Worshiping together and I know that that might be 51:17.240 --> 51:17.880 um 51:18.920 --> 51:21.840 I think it I think you're summoning a different thing 51:22.780 --> 51:26.420 When you throw very disparate people into the same room 51:27.260 --> 51:29.940 Praying for different things at the same time 51:30.760 --> 51:33.860 Under the illusion that by praying for nothing specific 51:34.460 --> 51:36.420 That that's therefore okay 51:36.820 --> 51:43.300 I think if you're praying you need to have a very clear idea of who you are praying to and why 51:43.820 --> 51:46.640 And I don't think you should strip yourself down 51:47.340 --> 51:53.200 Of your own idea of goodness and god in order to commune in that way with lots of people at once 51:53.200 --> 52:00.560 Unless you're at a britney spears concert, which I also think is awful. So that kind of um 52:01.500 --> 52:02.140 uh 52:03.480 --> 52:06.260 Indiscriminate worship I think is very dangerous 52:08.100 --> 52:09.300 Well totally 52:09.900 --> 52:13.240 But that's I mean we've been seeing that ecumenicism 52:13.820 --> 52:18.040 Which which which the orthodox seem to be particularly um 52:18.700 --> 52:22.400 Worried about they think it's a that and I I quite I respect their 52:23.080 --> 52:27.760 Their extreme reluctance to engage in ecumenical activity. We're all yeah 52:27.760 --> 52:30.640 We're all brothers under the skin. We all believe 52:31.420 --> 52:36.320 It's what I also think that I I think I've mentioned this to you before is that when you start learning music like I have 52:36.320 --> 52:38.360 Which I can't stop hanging on about because I'm so obsessed 52:38.360 --> 52:42.580 I'm going to see my friend clay and his recital this afternoon. He's playing um for coffee ever 52:42.580 --> 52:45.600 I mean, these people are so clever. Anyway, um 52:46.460 --> 52:51.400 But if you start learning music, for example, you're saved by the fact that you're no good 52:52.660 --> 52:58.580 So this is why there was a huge fashion for deejaying and electronic music because people that suddenly like music 52:58.580 --> 53:01.260 It could imagine that they were good at it when they weren't at all 53:01.780 --> 53:08.320 But if you actually like real music, you're there's no possibility of you becoming um proud because 53:09.040 --> 53:10.420 at every turn you're 53:10.420 --> 53:16.820 Faced with failure and the only way even as you improve you just really learn to listen more and then you realize how dreadful you are 53:16.820 --> 53:23.340 Whereas when you turn to god as I did or you did or allister did or so many people did in recent years 53:23.340 --> 53:24.680 there is no 53:25.560 --> 53:27.040 system of steps 53:27.640 --> 53:31.860 That stops you tripping over yourself and your haste to be more holy than your neighbor 53:32.800 --> 53:33.140 and 53:33.140 --> 53:34.840 because we have been 53:35.600 --> 53:39.380 um trained to think that experiences big experiences 53:39.900 --> 53:41.900 Are more significant than small ones 53:42.560 --> 53:44.000 there's a great temptation 53:44.740 --> 53:45.080 to 53:45.880 --> 53:47.240 imagine that 53:48.580 --> 53:52.480 You're chosen in some way and I believe that 53:54.020 --> 53:57.280 Everybody the grace is available if you ask for a grace 53:57.840 --> 54:04.140 And I believe that everybody is special and everybody is sacred and I think that everybody does have access to 54:05.260 --> 54:07.080 religious experiences and insight 54:07.640 --> 54:12.620 But that to find the insight you probably need to shut up about the experiences until you understand them 54:12.620 --> 54:17.220 And when you understand them you definitely need to be quiet about them because you would realize at that point 54:17.220 --> 54:18.780 That they're not to share or brag about 54:19.430 --> 54:22.180 But because there isn't a system of of steps 54:22.930 --> 54:24.840 for the for the newbie if you like 54:25.420 --> 54:25.880 um 54:25.880 --> 54:29.520 It's quite easy for them to become dogmatic or 54:30.500 --> 54:31.940 Or cushioned by 54:32.570 --> 54:36.100 The idea that they found the place now and they don't have to think anymore 54:36.650 --> 54:37.540 And it's interesting 54:38.220 --> 54:40.600 Alistair did this actually he shared um 54:40.600 --> 54:45.980 An ai clip which i'm trying to write about I haven't managed to make it funny yet because it's so serious 54:46.620 --> 54:51.960 But he shared this thing about how god saves his his people because he I think he believes in the rapture 54:52.580 --> 54:56.220 I have a different idea of the rapture. Anyway, he shares this this um 54:56.220 --> 54:59.860 The teaching of lots, you know that lot is god saves his people 54:59.860 --> 55:06.120 So lot is is taken out of Sodom and Gomorrah by these angels, but with the with this um 55:07.000 --> 55:08.660 With the bible quotes 55:08.660 --> 55:12.000 He shared the clip and the clip is of these two 55:12.000 --> 55:18.780 Angels hustling lot out of Sodom and Gomorrah like a couple of bodyguards hustling a celeb out of a nightclub 55:19.260 --> 55:24.300 And it's all animated these beleaguered angels with their grubby feathers and hilariously 55:24.780 --> 55:27.240 Lot actually turns back. He turns back 55:27.860 --> 55:28.660 in this clip 55:29.300 --> 55:31.620 Where all the fireballs are going off in the background 55:32.340 --> 55:32.860 and 55:33.580 --> 55:37.920 I try to explain to Alistair that this firstly is just a threat, isn't it? 55:37.920 --> 55:42.600 It's just inviting people to change the fear of the temporal to the fear of the eternal 55:43.260 --> 55:49.520 But really morality itself true morality comes beyond fear of rewards and punishments. I do believe that 55:49.520 --> 55:50.920 I think that when you 55:51.480 --> 55:55.480 Everything I've ever done that's good in my life has been because of love and every mistake 55:55.480 --> 56:01.180 I've ever made in my life has been because of fear, but anything genuine. I have done is when I have been 56:02.640 --> 56:05.380 Independent of feeling frightened and I've accepted 56:06.140 --> 56:11.040 The consequences of my actions and I think that you can change anything bad into something good 56:11.760 --> 56:16.740 If you are honest about it, and I think you can make anything beautiful ugly by feeling bad about it 56:17.580 --> 56:21.300 And I think that this whole idea that you should just be scared of something 56:22.580 --> 56:24.000 And that's how you should 56:24.660 --> 56:30.680 comport yourself is wrong, but the the actual clip is so naff 56:31.380 --> 56:31.680 and 56:32.280 --> 56:36.800 I the the point is that if God created everything from 56:38.320 --> 56:43.920 Nothing and we are supposed to be creative then we supposed to be able to create something from nothing 56:43.920 --> 56:47.320 and in that moment of creation understand and connect with God 56:48.120 --> 56:48.720 then 56:49.280 --> 56:52.600 feeding everything into grok whatever stupid machine it is 56:52.600 --> 56:57.140 and having your ideas vomited back to you and imagining that that's some kind of creative 56:58.060 --> 57:02.300 Accomplishment is the end of you is is literally the end of your humanity 57:02.980 --> 57:07.020 But also I was wondering why this is so shit this clip was so shit 57:07.520 --> 57:11.200 And I think it's because that was supposed to make it look more holy 57:11.200 --> 57:13.360 The fact that it was so bad 57:13.360 --> 57:19.260 Was supposed to separate it from all of the good really current stuff that is secular 57:20.100 --> 57:20.660 or 57:21.340 --> 57:23.060 Maybe satan made it 57:23.720 --> 57:24.600 To make it 57:27.160 --> 57:31.460 Sorry, but he did make it, but I'm saying why is the actual clip rubbish and I think it's to make 57:32.070 --> 57:33.260 I think it's to make the 57:34.360 --> 57:35.060 to make 57:35.630 --> 57:40.300 To still separate this religious AI from white 57:40.900 --> 57:41.400 From 57:42.080 --> 57:42.940 secular AI 57:42.940 --> 57:46.960 Yeah, so secular person they look at the religious AI and they think god 57:46.960 --> 57:49.500 That's so crap religious people are so naive and backwards 57:49.500 --> 57:56.460 But the religious person looks at that rubbish a bit like someone looking at an icon and not understanding it and just thinking that it's kitsch 57:58.860 --> 58:01.020 And they they think it makes it authentic 58:02.100 --> 58:05.820 They think that there's something to be taught there that it's real because it's naff 58:07.000 --> 58:08.620 But there's nothing there 58:09.360 --> 58:10.880 There's there's nothing in it 58:11.860 --> 58:12.340 um 58:13.040 --> 58:16.780 I don't think that there's any answer apart from to turn it all off 58:17.340 --> 58:18.980 I saw someone I really admire 58:19.640 --> 58:24.660 um say that if you didn't read the epstein files, it was because you were weak 58:25.780 --> 58:26.820 and cowardly 58:27.380 --> 58:27.900 and 58:27.900 --> 58:30.200 On the same day. I saw me 58:30.980 --> 58:34.400 There wasn't you darling. Um, I would be more directive. It was you 58:35.100 --> 58:37.780 I say, why did he say that rubbish james? Um 58:38.380 --> 58:41.700 You are my five stooge, but I help it 58:42.300 --> 58:43.340 It's my it's a job 58:44.000 --> 58:44.560 I get 58:44.560 --> 58:47.800 I get to kill people 58:53.900 --> 58:54.700 Yeah, um 58:56.160 --> 59:00.600 No, anyway, so I don't I also saw my friend for lunch and he said that years ago 59:00.600 --> 59:03.820 His friend in france had said that the the sakeness was doing this terrible stuff 59:03.820 --> 59:05.600 And I said, I don't want to hear it pool 59:05.600 --> 59:08.700 I don't I don't want to hear it. Don't tell me but he couldn't help it 59:08.700 --> 59:11.860 And he kept giving me details. He said always said that they did this 59:11.860 --> 59:15.920 I'm not going to say any of it. He said that they did this and he said that they I said, I don't want to hear it 59:15.920 --> 59:20.320 I'm not listening. Don't tell me but he couldn't he had to unload himself 59:21.280 --> 59:21.800 and 59:22.420 --> 59:23.760 I think that 59:24.500 --> 59:26.280 A bit like um gaza 59:26.280 --> 59:33.220 They didn't destroy gaza in a second because by doing it really slowly for months and months and months 59:33.220 --> 59:35.260 They've been able to 59:35.800 --> 59:39.200 Persuade millions of people to wish death on other people 59:39.760 --> 59:45.800 They've persuaded millions of people to justify murder in their minds. They've filled people with rage and 59:47.000 --> 59:49.220 Every kind of terrible emotion 59:49.800 --> 59:52.720 um, and similarly, why do you need? 59:53.620 --> 59:57.500 Millions of people to be thinking about despicable things being done to children 59:58.100 --> 59:59.440 It is so 59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.380 unholy and I think it 01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.660 Makes you ill 01:00:02.660 --> 01:00:06.200 So it's not that I don't think that these people will all destroy themselves 01:00:06.200 --> 01:00:09.140 And it's not that I don't think you should protect those around you 01:00:09.660 --> 01:00:15.620 But this idea that you're somehow benefiting yourself or mankind by dwelling on horrors 01:00:15.620 --> 01:00:19.020 I saw it years ago in a green room. These guys. They actually watched horror movies 01:00:19.020 --> 01:00:23.920 And they were all talking about it and then one of them said he didn't understand why he was watching stuff 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.140 That was as horrific as the stuff that he was watching 01:00:26.620 --> 01:00:32.360 He was genuinely confused for a moment that he was watching stuff that was so utterly corrupting 01:00:33.640 --> 01:00:36.220 He didn't know why he was doing it or what he was doing 01:00:37.620 --> 01:00:42.340 And I I know I bang the same drum all the time, but I think that if anything 01:00:43.220 --> 01:00:47.900 It's more dangerous for people who used to be thinking oh, who's going out with who? 01:00:48.380 --> 01:00:52.540 You know, who's is Jennifer Aniston in love with Brad Pitt? Or is he sleeping with Angelina Jolie? 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.220 I think it's more unhealthy to think who's fiddling with who or who's sucking who's you know, whatever 01:00:58.220 --> 01:01:02.060 I'd eating I just think it's so 01:01:02.660 --> 01:01:08.580 Bad for you that if you are I know that you're on a mission to reveal these things, but that means you personally 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:17.060 Are going to have to be so much better armed physically and psychologically and spiritually than anybody else 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:20.460 Um, I don't know how you do it. I think you'll have to 01:01:21.220 --> 01:01:23.820 You haven't we must have to spend 12 hours crying 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:26.680 Because I've been I've been wondering about this 01:01:26.680 --> 01:01:28.960 I've been looking 01:01:29.700 --> 01:01:30.220 um 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:31.560 at the 01:01:32.620 --> 01:01:36.040 The epstein revelations that are being I don't hear them 01:01:36.740 --> 01:01:40.860 No, no, no world. I'll give you the lightly edited version. I mean 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.880 What I mean is that all edited. It's all edited. You're you've also had the edited version 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.660 So nobody the all of the people that think that they've um 01:01:49.660 --> 01:01:55.060 Not had all of the detail yet that there's still more to come and everybody's obsessed with it 01:01:55.060 --> 01:01:57.600 Even if I my everybody's read it 01:01:57.600 --> 01:02:00.320 I saw an old man at the cafe with his dog 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.560 How I sometimes see with my children he wanted to talk to me about it 01:02:02.560 --> 01:02:03.780 My mother wants to talk to me about it 01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:06.420 Everyone's built up their own story about whether this means we control 01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:11.680 Hey, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna traumatize you. I'm just gonna talk about 01:02:12.620 --> 01:02:13.320 generalities here 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:14.400 so 01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:16.540 If there is a lesson 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.580 That the the normie public let's call them that the norm is 01:02:22.380 --> 01:02:23.260 ought to be 01:02:23.900 --> 01:02:24.320 learning 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:26.660 from the epstein 01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:28.600 data leak whatever 01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:29.880 is that 01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:31.340 all your 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.460 All the all the the authorities that you've trusted to 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:42.500 You you've sort of contracted out your life to these people that politicians to to make make laws and and 01:02:42.860 --> 01:02:43.740 judges to 01:02:44.300 --> 01:02:45.600 administered justice and 01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:49.780 Actors to entertain you and businessmen to 01:02:50.220 --> 01:02:51.740 to I suppose 01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:58.960 Bring the fruits of the capitalist system to your to your home and and so on all these people 01:02:59.740 --> 01:03:06.100 Don't just have feet of clay. They are absolutely rotten to the core. They're polluting with magnets 01:03:06.100 --> 01:03:07.400 They are absolutely 01:03:08.040 --> 01:03:14.240 Disgusting they do things that you could never imagine were possible outside horror movies and possibly not even in a horror 01:03:14.240 --> 01:03:15.540 Move would you expect such things? 01:03:16.220 --> 01:03:17.860 and and it's all come out 01:03:18.540 --> 01:03:18.960 and 01:03:19.580 --> 01:03:20.820 they they are 01:03:21.460 --> 01:03:27.100 Arrogant and trustworthy. They do terrible things to to the the most vulnerable people i.e. children 01:03:27.620 --> 01:03:28.760 et cetera et cetera 01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:29.680 now 01:03:30.540 --> 01:03:31.800 You would think 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:33.740 at this point 01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:38.880 That people with this new information. They would be going well 01:03:39.680 --> 01:03:42.100 We better do something about this. It's going to have to be 01:03:42.600 --> 01:03:47.300 We're going to have to completely rethink the way the world is run because the guys who are running to the moment 01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:54.460 I now realize they exist. It's not a conspiracy theory. This is actually real. This is this is real. I could see the evidence now. It's clear 01:03:55.300 --> 01:03:55.740 um 01:03:56.600 --> 01:04:01.680 We've got to do something about it. We cannot play their games anymore. We need to we need to live 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.000 Godly lives. We need to we need to restore 01:04:07.460 --> 01:04:09.100 The message of the bible I suppose 01:04:09.560 --> 01:04:12.080 I mean they might not they might all become Christian 01:04:12.080 --> 01:04:16.460 But they might at least understand that the world is completely fallen and something needs to be done 01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:17.580 but 01:04:18.180 --> 01:04:20.480 None of this has happened at all 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:25.000 Of course it can't possibly happen James because at all the point the point of the 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:31.480 Revelations just like the point of the revelations about the covid vaccines or taking certain of the medications off the market 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:38.800 Or putting some back in the purpose of these things is to make it look as if the system itself is self-correcting 01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:44.680 And the worst things are the further away people wish to delegate 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.520 I I know I bang on 01:04:48.040 --> 01:04:49.420 always about the same things, but 01:04:49.930 --> 01:04:54.080 the way to fix things is to pick up the rubbish in your own streets and 01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:59.240 though the more corrupt the world looks and the more horrific these people are 01:04:59.240 --> 01:05:06.060 The more desperate people are to delegate all of their own personal responsibility to agencies that are even further afield 01:05:06.740 --> 01:05:09.380 and it's a bit like this this um 01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:14.180 I know I've I've got the same obsessions when I managed to write coherently about them 01:05:14.180 --> 01:05:15.140 Then I'll be able to let them go 01:05:15.720 --> 01:05:22.520 But this idea of non-violence that I believe is the the central teaching of christian theology people cannot accept 01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:25.900 that I don't believe in violence and they always 01:05:26.680 --> 01:05:29.980 Bring up children. You wouldn't be violent to protect your children 01:05:29.980 --> 01:05:31.880 This is an absurd argument 01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:38.960 Because I'm not suggesting when I say that violence is wrong that I wouldn't behave badly in a situation 01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:44.660 But I think it's it's fascinating that people can't even accept in principle 01:05:45.340 --> 01:05:48.900 That they should be not they should not be violent and I 01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:55.500 The the fact that we always reach to the children and think only oh, well, I'd have to be violent to protect a child 01:05:55.500 --> 01:06:00.940 Well, firstly, it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work if I actually had to be violent to protect my child 01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:04.980 it how in what conditions could it be that I 01:06:05.660 --> 01:06:07.420 I say I saved them in that way 01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:12.660 I might be able to save my child by blocking them from a car that was approaching or jumping in front of them 01:06:12.660 --> 01:06:17.420 if someone shot them with a gun or clinging onto them if someone tried to scoop them away 01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:21.240 But I violence in the way that people imagine it and fantasize in their heads 01:06:21.240 --> 01:06:23.440 Isn't a way that you could protect your child necessarily 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.380 And I think that the greater the violence in society the more cowardly people become 01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.980 They they because really what they're saying is that their entire moral picture 01:06:33.700 --> 01:06:37.180 Is only in existence because it's backed by force 01:06:37.910 --> 01:06:39.400 And I think that's why 01:06:40.220 --> 01:06:42.320 We've become so utterly weak 01:06:42.810 --> 01:06:47.900 We actually don't have any force in in this country really you're not even allowed to fox hunt openly 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:55.100 We're unless you have a license to go and cull some deer at the correct number or kill some badgers that there isn't really any way to 01:06:55.620 --> 01:06:57.120 to unleash your 01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:59.000 your um 01:06:59.640 --> 01:07:02.080 Is it forget letting go of your violent tendencies? 01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:04.500 There's not even any way to really hone them in that way 01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:06.740 You know you used to have two people that would fight and 01:07:06.740 --> 01:07:09.580 And they would represent their entire nation 01:07:10.340 --> 01:07:14.860 I have I've I can't remember where it was. You know this idea that you have two 01:07:15.620 --> 01:07:16.100 Yes 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:18.120 But the 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:26.360 The whole our whole system now everything that we believe in every war that's fought 01:07:27.060 --> 01:07:28.320 Everything is 01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:32.700 We know our own capacity for for violence 01:07:32.700 --> 01:07:40.540 And we're we're living under the threat constantly of war of the third world war the cold war or the horror of the second world war 01:07:41.240 --> 01:07:41.560 and 01:07:42.380 --> 01:07:43.020 people 01:07:43.700 --> 01:07:44.600 cannot even 01:07:44.600 --> 01:07:50.120 Finish the sentence in their own head that they should reject violence without thinking but then I'll be killed 01:07:50.120 --> 01:07:56.200 Because really what they're thinking is the state is the only person that can protect me from all of these evil things 01:07:56.200 --> 01:07:57.300 That I'm so scared of 01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.500 But the state is the monster 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.360 The state is 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.440 The state is 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.780 And I I think until people can 01:08:10.620 --> 01:08:18.320 People cannot see the state as the monster unless they can relinquish their attachment to the fact that they need that's that monster's force to protect them 01:08:18.900 --> 01:08:20.680 They don't need that monster's force 01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:22.560 Does that mean you're 01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:25.520 You're you're a kind of Tolstoyan 01:08:26.200 --> 01:08:28.340 Christian. Yes, you know this. Yeah 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.640 Yeah, so 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:37.880 He really doesn't believe in any anything about god there Tolstoy. Well, do you not find that a problem? 01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:42.820 Um, well, I'm not talking about whether or not he believes in god 01:08:42.820 --> 01:08:45.860 I'm talking about him rejecting violence and he's he's correct 01:08:46.540 --> 01:08:48.440 But but just just very briefly 01:08:49.320 --> 01:08:53.320 I find it a problem that he doesn't he doesn't seem to believe in god. Um 01:08:54.700 --> 01:08:58.700 I think that he does believe in god, but there are there are problems with um 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:10.180 There are problems with our understanding of god and they come to dualism, I think and they come to force so 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:19.720 You're supposed to come to god if you just solve my gold problems are you not you're not you're not you're not you're just making 01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:22.360 This is this is going to solve my problems 01:09:23.320 --> 01:09:26.500 You're supposed to come to god of your own free will 01:09:27.900 --> 01:09:29.720 That's all so 01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:36.840 Because people panic about this all the time people people not god. I'm confident that god's relaxed about it 01:09:38.420 --> 01:09:43.500 People um that believe in god want to hurry everyone else's journey along 01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:47.620 They they're impatient. They want everybody to 01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:49.680 To be saved tomorrow 01:09:50.420 --> 01:09:57.600 And they are aware on some subliminal level that we are all connected and we are all one and if 01:09:58.860 --> 01:10:04.220 In the same way that if everybody is doing something terrible it affects you it affects your children 01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:06.260 It affects your mood it affects everything 01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:08.820 um, so people are in a hurry 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.580 to force people 01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:13.040 um 01:10:13.660 --> 01:10:15.160 To believe in god 01:10:16.040 --> 01:10:16.760 They're god 01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:24.740 But i'm not i don't believe that you can force people and i don't and i don't believe there is any morad 01:10:25.460 --> 01:10:31.080 In in doing so what i i i say i okay, so i might get that vibe from 01:10:32.200 --> 01:10:32.760 say 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.060 evangelical christians i suppose it's it's the clues in the name 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:38.520 but 01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.700 I mean i like i like the idea of people 01:10:41.700 --> 01:10:41.860 all 01:10:42.820 --> 01:10:49.260 Coming to god and discovering you know and and and experiencing the kind of things that that we do 01:10:50.140 --> 01:10:53.760 But i'm not i'm not sort of going out there saying yeah 01:10:54.500 --> 01:10:57.700 Come on come on god now more 01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:02.480 Do you do you think of my own characteristic then in that case 01:11:02.480 --> 01:11:05.900 Do you you think there's this faction out there that? 01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:09.520 No, I just I just think this it's not um 01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:14.620 I don't think that you have a god problem james. I just think that 01:11:15.400 --> 01:11:17.080 Yeah, you have to suffer now 01:11:18.040 --> 01:11:26.600 For knowing i do have a good problem because because every day i'm i'm i'm wrestling with my conscience and and wrestling with all these complicated thoughts which would 01:11:27.420 --> 01:11:33.420 I I think it'd be much easier if if i had someone that could solve it for me if i could sort of contract what my 01:11:33.980 --> 01:11:37.860 My religious you do have something that will solve it for you god 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:39.340 Yeah, me 01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:40.800 god 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:43.480 Yes, I just have to help 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.940 Yes, I well, I do get that I 01:11:47.500 --> 01:11:52.780 I'm I'm very suspicious of people who say that one shouldn't be doing this 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:57.540 They they seem to think that that that this is sort of borderline 01:11:57.540 --> 01:12:02.560 Gnostic that that one shouldn't have a sort of conversation with ones 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.100 Well with god 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:11.600 Yeah, why are you joking why I don't understand? Well, I don't know. I think there are I think there were certain 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.820 strands in christianity which would which would have it that you should 01:12:17.040 --> 01:12:22.380 But there are strands in christianity that you think that think you should be ashamed of love or that you shouldn't 01:12:23.480 --> 01:12:26.060 You know be in touch with your body or your 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:30.000 Well, this is the problem. This is my problem with war 01:12:30.820 --> 01:12:33.620 Every time I I'm sorry. I I've got a vent 01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:34.580 like 01:12:35.660 --> 01:12:36.180 I 01:12:37.580 --> 01:12:39.380 really can't get around this thing 01:12:40.060 --> 01:12:40.320 that 01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:46.380 I'm on my third reading of the and I've grown up as well 01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:51.360 I'm on my third reading of the new testament because you can get through quicker than the old testament 01:12:51.360 --> 01:12:52.900 So the cycle is different 01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:54.680 and 01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:57.460 I read the gospels and I think great 01:12:58.620 --> 01:13:05.220 Great jesus and and and you get all these stories and every time you read the gospels you get new stuff because there's lots of stuff that 01:13:05.660 --> 01:13:07.600 is quite complicated and and you 01:13:08.260 --> 01:13:09.720 It's interesting and and it's always 01:13:10.160 --> 01:13:13.040 Sad at the end when he gets going he goes to get his preach in Jerusalem 01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:17.140 And you know he's going to die and then it gets better because he rises and and all that 01:13:17.780 --> 01:13:19.520 And then you get to the end of john 01:13:20.060 --> 01:13:22.680 And you think oh no, I've got to read 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:23.580 Romans 01:13:23.580 --> 01:13:28.020 I've got to read no actually you got axe axe is axe is quite fun 01:13:28.470 --> 01:13:30.460 but then you get to the epistles and 01:13:30.460 --> 01:13:32.860 You get some really really good stuff 01:13:33.400 --> 01:13:39.560 Like Ephesians 6, you know put on the whole armor of god or whatever and the principalities and powers and 01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:43.980 But the stuff you've got to wade through 01:13:43.980 --> 01:13:46.480 and you're told 01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:47.660 that 01:13:48.260 --> 01:13:50.300 by a lot of questions that 01:13:50.300 --> 01:13:58.300 All scripture is equal. It's all it's all inspired so so so whether it's a kind of weird bit of Leviticus or whether it's 01:13:58.900 --> 01:14:00.960 a really annoying bit of Paul 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.760 It's as good as the Sermon and the Mount 01:14:04.360 --> 01:14:05.360 And you're thinking 01:14:06.120 --> 01:14:08.440 I don't buy this. I really do 01:14:08.440 --> 01:14:11.560 It's not possible and I'm not supposed to see it in my humble opinion 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:16.260 There are too many stumbling blocks and paradoxes for you to be able to accept that 01:14:16.780 --> 01:14:18.440 Yeah, because you're not supposed to 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.960 If you wish to think you're not supposed to but carry on so yes 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:23.080 well, so 01:14:23.080 --> 01:14:28.820 I don't enjoy reading paul and I kind of think why he's he's well 01:14:28.820 --> 01:14:30.780 I really don't like the way he's 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.520 He's so such a kind of killjoy 01:14:35.340 --> 01:14:36.380 and you kind of think well 01:14:37.160 --> 01:14:42.240 Yeah, I get it paul that you you believe in celibacy and stuff but 01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:44.560 But what about 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:48.800 So I I think that you have amazing ascetics 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:50.080 and 01:14:50.080 --> 01:14:53.660 But I believe that the body is 01:14:54.020 --> 01:14:56.080 Um sacramental and I believe that 01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:01.920 Union is is sacred and I think that you can let war from 01:15:02.380 --> 01:15:03.900 genuinely loving somebody 01:15:04.460 --> 01:15:06.040 then from anything else 01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:07.060 in life 01:15:07.480 --> 01:15:08.480 and I 01:15:09.540 --> 01:15:12.460 Change what I believe to be true 01:15:12.460 --> 01:15:13.900 And I consider 01:15:14.380 --> 01:15:19.120 To be a lesson from god by the way. I I I don't um, come on. Yeah, I'm 01:15:19.120 --> 01:15:21.700 I'm talking with you 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:28.680 But whenever I get whenever I have a go at paul I get rebuked for it by by by certain 01:15:29.320 --> 01:15:33.080 Christians on my telegram group, you know, and I think it well 01:15:33.580 --> 01:15:38.140 How do you know who made this rule that paul is 01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:40.460 Is the equal of jesus 01:15:41.080 --> 01:15:46.180 The equal of the prophets. Okay. He did some really interesting stuff. He was great at getting out of prison 01:15:46.180 --> 01:15:50.220 He did some really cool stuff. He was martyred. I I respect that 01:15:50.850 --> 01:15:53.060 But it doesn't mean that I have to kind of 01:15:54.340 --> 01:15:56.880 Even though when I when I did 01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:58.860 venerate the relics 01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:01.260 in the reliquary 01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.960 A bit of paul was in there and that's when I got transported 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:10.820 In the in the in the russian cathedral when I had my my tear a gift from god 01:16:10.820 --> 01:16:15.200 When I was transported, that was that was but I don't know whether it was paul 01:16:15.740 --> 01:16:19.480 paul's bones or somebody else's because there was also a bit of kind of stones from golgoth 01:16:19.480 --> 01:16:23.560 And there were some russian saints and stuff in the same relic. It was a kind of super 01:16:24.280 --> 01:16:26.760 Reliquary with with all sorts of yes 01:16:27.400 --> 01:16:31.180 I think you learn things that you need to know at different points in your life 01:16:31.180 --> 01:16:34.120 And that sometimes the things you fear most 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:35.660 you have to 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:37.020 um 01:16:38.140 --> 01:16:43.300 They will come to you so that you work through them and and you realize that you didn't have to fear those things either I 01:16:43.300 --> 01:16:44.560 I I so I 01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:49.260 Weird thing happened that you've made me think of for this paul thing and this is um 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:55.580 A secular version of the same thing. So my favorites my favorite story that I've read 01:16:55.580 --> 01:16:56.940 I don't normally refiction 01:16:57.610 --> 01:17:02.940 As we all know, but I I'm obsessed with the story father sergius followed by toll story 01:17:02.940 --> 01:17:06.560 And I was going to send it to my friend's father 01:17:07.820 --> 01:17:08.300 who 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:13.360 In the same vein as we were talking about stories told me 01:17:14.220 --> 01:17:16.020 a story that was 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.320 a comedy story 01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:24.360 I don't know how to do this without spoiling both stories. What do I do james? I'm stuck 01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:26.020 I don't I I 01:17:26.020 --> 01:17:30.020 I do not want to spoiler just as you don't want to hear the epstein details 01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:33.560 I do not want to spoiler on father sergius given. It's your favorite story 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:35.960 so well, but 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:38.960 So there was a right 01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:43.220 Basically, if I had sent father sergius to this 01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:49.140 man after he told me this funny story that was completely unrelated but had a similar 01:17:50.940 --> 01:17:53.220 Climax but for a totally different purpose 01:17:53.940 --> 01:17:56.880 He would never be able to read my serious story without 01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:04.280 thinking of his funny story and laughing and I would never be able to listen to his funny story without thinking of my serious story and crying 01:18:04.980 --> 01:18:10.880 And I have been changed forever by the order in which I've heard those two stories and so has he 01:18:11.440 --> 01:18:14.120 And sometimes it's just the way it happens in life 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:20.140 You have your stories in one order and somebody else has the same stories in a different order 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:26.800 And it is therefore impossible for you to ever reconcile your worldviews because you don't you haven't 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.820 Had the same experience and that's okay 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:32.460 That's okay 01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:35.260 And it's not possible 01:18:36.040 --> 01:18:37.560 It's just not true 01:18:38.330 --> 01:18:39.260 that um 01:18:39.730 --> 01:18:45.600 And I told story definitely back to your pool pool thing told story definitely is conflicted by sex 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:50.080 He killed people told story when he was a soldier and in his confessions 01:18:50.080 --> 01:18:53.640 Which is the most extraordinary book and I highly recommend it to everybody 01:18:54.780 --> 01:18:55.980 He realizes 01:18:56.780 --> 01:18:57.080 um 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:02.920 That everything that he was praised and rewarded for is actually despicable and grotesque 01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:09.880 But he never manages to reconcile himself to some elements of the christian teaching to which he turned so dramatically 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:12.200 He never reconciled himself to sex 01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:16.420 That's why I know of his stories that they just have to kill each other or kill themselves 01:19:17.020 --> 01:19:20.360 And he he never reconciled himself to actual faith 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:22.880 In anything non materialistic 01:19:23.400 --> 01:19:25.340 And he never fully relinquished science 01:19:26.340 --> 01:19:31.240 um, which is just a different manifestation of ego in in uh 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:32.880 In flashier clothing 01:19:33.820 --> 01:19:34.420 um 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:41.040 So I don't think it matters if you can't reconcile yourself to certain things yet james are not perfect 01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:43.180 You're just a guy on a journey, aren't you? 01:19:43.820 --> 01:19:47.300 Yes, I am and it's get actually you're very good 01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:50.180 corrective to my dogmatism tanya because 01:19:50.860 --> 01:20:01.780 Uh, I had made this distinction between good alan watt and bad alan watts because alan watts is part of the new age deception blah blah blah 01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:02.600 but 01:20:03.400 --> 01:20:06.000 I think you're right. You you've you've you've 01:20:06.360 --> 01:20:08.200 Solved this problem where I have 01:20:08.980 --> 01:20:11.660 Well, I think a lot of christians have which is okay 01:20:11.660 --> 01:20:17.900 So we think we've we've chosen the way and and it's the only way because it's god and you know 01:20:18.430 --> 01:20:19.940 All the other gods are kind of fake 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:22.040 But at the same time 01:20:22.630 --> 01:20:24.240 We all know people in the world 01:20:24.870 --> 01:20:26.240 Who are not christians 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:34.660 Who are very very good people better than people than us and we also know people who are not christians who are possessed of 01:20:35.240 --> 01:20:35.780 great 01:20:36.690 --> 01:20:37.460 beneficial wisdom 01:20:38.260 --> 01:20:38.800 so 01:20:39.500 --> 01:20:43.280 It complicates matters doesn't it you can't you can't just go yeah 01:20:43.280 --> 01:20:49.280 But basically we're right and they're all wrong and they're going to burn in hell or unless they repent and 01:20:50.050 --> 01:20:51.140 The new age is evil 01:20:51.140 --> 01:20:56.800 This is like the rapture. So this absurd 01:20:57.700 --> 01:21:02.700 Animated ai image of lot escaping from sodom and gamora if you really 01:21:02.700 --> 01:21:08.480 I've been thinking a lot about this story because if you want to call sodom and gamora the city of bells and whistles 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.220 What does his wife really do she's just 01:21:12.820 --> 01:21:19.980 Too attached to what happens next that's why she turns back and she's basically just transfixed isn't she the pillar assault is just someone 01:21:20.700 --> 01:21:24.080 transfixed by by the internet just doom scrolling 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:25.440 and 01:21:26.260 --> 01:21:33.120 People imagine certainly I I know people that think that the rapture is some sort of um, there's an incredible guys dead now 01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:34.420 He was a wonderful 01:21:34.420 --> 01:21:36.620 fascinating preacher 01:21:37.620 --> 01:21:39.560 Canadian french guy anyway 01:21:40.300 --> 01:21:45.240 He absolutely believed in the rapture the idea that you would be scooped off the planet as if you're going to be 01:21:45.240 --> 01:21:50.340 You know some spaceships can come down and whisk you all away, but I can't really see what that is apart from suicide 01:21:51.160 --> 01:21:57.300 um, if you can turn away from everything that you love and care for and immediately be 01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.800 To disappear to paradise. I don't really 01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:07.560 Understand it and I so I've been thinking about it a lot and I think that the rapture metaphorically anyway, um 01:22:08.580 --> 01:22:12.860 Is that when you realize that everything is 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:19.100 Ugly and not true that your tort is beautiful and I do think it's worse now 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:23.320 I do think that there used to be much more beauty and that now it's being hidden 01:22:24.240 --> 01:22:24.720 um 01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:29.960 In every way with everything that we're doing to our bodies and with all of the buildings that we're putting up 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:32.520 besides and in front of churches and by the 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.300 horror of um 01:22:34.300 --> 01:22:35.020 art 01:22:35.660 --> 01:22:38.860 But I think that the rapture is just recognizing 01:22:39.500 --> 01:22:42.380 Or being saved by the angels are being saved by God 01:22:42.380 --> 01:22:47.340 It's just recognizing that all the truth and goodness and beauty that was ever there is still there 01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:49.400 It's just not in the places that you're looking for it 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:51.180 It's all there 01:22:51.820 --> 01:22:54.900 It's all there for you. It's just not 01:22:55.460 --> 01:22:58.160 Where you're being told to direct your attention 01:22:58.900 --> 01:23:03.340 And the moment that you understand that and you turn away and I don't mean half turn away 01:23:03.340 --> 01:23:06.680 So that you're half looking at it and half wishing that you 01:23:07.280 --> 01:23:07.800 um 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:14.180 Had that success or had that following or had that face or had those tits half wishing that you knew what was going on there 01:23:14.180 --> 01:23:18.520 I mean when you completely turn away from it genuinely turn away from it 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:24.260 And you understand that you're here for your own purpose to to grow and to love 01:23:25.220 --> 01:23:26.180 and to 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.640 Try and improve your understanding generously 01:23:31.900 --> 01:23:36.640 When you genuinely turn away from from the bells and whistles then you 01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:39.260 Then that is the rapture, isn't it? 01:23:39.480 --> 01:23:42.900 That is the separation from those people that you might love dearly 01:23:42.900 --> 01:23:45.780 And that are hugely important to you, but that you 01:23:46.480 --> 01:23:52.300 Will leave behind to experience the truth and I don't mean materially leave behind 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:57.960 Because obviously you still love who you love and you're there when you need to be but I mean 01:23:59.300 --> 01:24:04.240 Uh spiritually relinquish the things that you had thought were important before 01:24:04.980 --> 01:24:10.120 In their entirety is the beginning. I don't think that's the end. I think it's just the first 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:12.780 The first step 01:24:14.160 --> 01:24:14.800 That's all 01:24:15.400 --> 01:24:17.820 Yeah, so the rapture is metaphorical 01:24:17.820 --> 01:24:23.460 They're gonna love you all the all the rapture files. They're gonna say what does she not realize this 01:24:24.100 --> 01:24:27.000 Let's say it's not let's say it's not metaphorical 01:24:28.580 --> 01:24:30.940 Let's say it's absolutely real and it's coming 01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:37.920 If it's absolutely real and it's coming it still wouldn't harm anybody to turn away right now from the nonsense 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:41.360 And prepare themselves for this this um 01:24:41.360 --> 01:24:45.880 This escape. I'm just saying you can start it today. You don't even need to wait 01:24:47.100 --> 01:24:48.880 Can I um 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.720 Tell you about something like I can't think of us. I could tell the story 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:54.680 I I probably could tell it to somebody else, but um 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:59.260 Tell us it kind of vaguely relates to alan watt 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:00.300 um 01:25:00.780 --> 01:25:03.440 Have you ever seen a film? 01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:05.720 Called the apartment 01:25:07.300 --> 01:25:08.220 No, sorry 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:14.400 It's a clay. Okay, so it was made in 1960 and it's a it's a classic. It's it's considered a comedy classic 01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:16.720 It was made by billy. Well billy wilder 01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:19.880 He made it a year after some like it hot 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:23.680 So he was hot and he made this film and and it's 01:25:24.240 --> 01:25:30.640 It's one of those films that gets quoted at you. Oh what you haven't seen the apartment or do you remember that scene in the apartment? 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:32.940 When dot dot dot dot anyway 01:25:34.240 --> 01:25:36.540 I watched it for the first time the other day 01:25:36.540 --> 01:25:42.120 Uh and as with all films as with as with almost all cultural products actually 01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:43.340 um 01:25:44.220 --> 01:25:49.100 Once you once the scales are falling from your eyes you realize the degree to which we are 01:25:49.820 --> 01:25:50.240 manipulated 01:25:51.020 --> 01:25:56.700 By our culture and that it and it's not it's not always an honest expression of of of of things 01:25:56.700 --> 01:26:03.380 It's often often a method used to control us, but particularly the the the entertainment industry and particularly hollywood 01:26:03.900 --> 01:26:04.320 um 01:26:05.120 --> 01:26:06.760 so alan watt says 01:26:07.580 --> 01:26:07.880 that 01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:09.320 he's talking about 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:16.680 How how you behave when you're when you when you see through the veil as it were when you when you when you when you're aware 01:26:17.420 --> 01:26:17.860 um 01:26:17.860 --> 01:26:21.600 See i'm i'm skirting around the word awake because i i do hate the word awake 01:26:22.120 --> 01:26:22.440 um 01:26:24.440 --> 01:26:25.400 And he says 01:26:26.040 --> 01:26:27.400 you'll look at a film 01:26:28.120 --> 01:26:28.560 and 01:26:30.580 --> 01:26:34.880 You work you'll no longer be distracted by the plot and all the things that they want you to look at 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:39.000 You'll you'll look at look at what what what message is being given to you 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.840 so the premise in the apartment 01:26:42.540 --> 01:26:44.960 is that um 01:26:45.550 --> 01:26:47.740 This character called baxter played by 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.620 by um jack lemmon 01:26:51.430 --> 01:26:57.140 Lives in this very nice rented brownstone apartment very conveniently located 01:26:58.010 --> 01:27:04.000 Uh in new york, it's a really nice apartment. You're wondering how he can afford it and he's he's he's a grunt 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:06.660 On the on the floor of this insurance company 01:27:06.660 --> 01:27:13.000 They're like like like like battery chickens that they're at their desk and there are thousands of them and and and 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:18.400 They all want to get on they all want to be to go up the corporate ladder not to be a grunt 01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:20.200 They want to get their own little cubicle 01:27:20.200 --> 01:27:24.000 Um to promote it on the on the next floor. Uh, they want to be 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.100 Get the keys to the executive dining room 01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:28.140 and 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.480 The jack lemon character 01:27:31.620 --> 01:27:32.100 um 01:27:34.500 --> 01:27:36.220 Gets on or 01:27:37.140 --> 01:27:38.360 pleases his bosses 01:27:39.150 --> 01:27:41.600 By giving them the keys to his apartment 01:27:42.290 --> 01:27:47.900 So that they can knock off their secretaries or that they can have affairs in his in his apartment 01:27:47.900 --> 01:27:53.180 So he's got this complicated rolled it exist in where he's sort of sort of oh, it's it's Tuesday 01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:55.720 Yeah, sorry 01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:00.700 Sounds like the green room of the club. I know right. Oh, okay 01:28:01.280 --> 01:28:03.800 But anyway, carry on. Oh, I was thinking 01:28:04.580 --> 01:28:04.980 um 01:28:06.900 --> 01:28:08.500 What was this film 01:28:09.400 --> 01:28:09.800 telling 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:16.200 The you you think about america in the in the 90 in 1960 would have been a fairly innocent place 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:19.800 James, I'm so sorry if I don't plug in my computer 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:23.000 It's gonna go flat then we'll lose this whole thing and you'll be frightfully cross with me 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.140 So don't hold that thought but if I I need to get the plug otherwise, I can 01:28:27.140 --> 01:28:28.400 Yeah, yeah do that 01:28:57.130 --> 01:28:58.410 I'm so bad it's up 01:29:01.030 --> 01:29:01.430 Oh 01:29:02.850 --> 01:29:04.590 It's balancing on the surface thing 01:29:04.590 --> 01:29:09.070 Just go and do your do your thing. I I will just go and get a get a thing while you're there 01:29:09.630 --> 01:29:12.450 Yeah, I'm here. I'm ready. Hey, don't go off now 01:29:12.890 --> 01:29:15.270 Yes, no, this is a prop for what I'm about to tell you 01:29:16.090 --> 01:29:16.870 Okay, okay 01:29:16.870 --> 01:29:27.240 I'm gonna sit here staring at myself without you 01:30:27.400 --> 01:30:28.440 Oh no, you've gone 01:30:29.240 --> 01:30:32.320 I'm here. I just don't want to look at yourself while you're not there 01:30:32.900 --> 01:30:33.380 embarrassing 01:30:34.060 --> 01:30:35.360 I couldn't find the thing 01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:41.240 But doesn't matter. I can I can use it. I can describe it through the medium of spoken word 01:30:41.940 --> 01:30:42.420 um 01:30:43.140 --> 01:30:47.960 This is this relates to my point about the apartment, which I'll come back to in a moment 01:30:48.660 --> 01:30:54.660 In the latest edition of the spectator, which which we get because I still write for it 01:30:54.660 --> 01:30:56.980 Don't have to justify yourself to me james 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:03.000 Yeah, but I but I you know what it's still it's the mainstream media and I do feel 01:31:03.540 --> 01:31:07.080 I do feel tainted by me and I I say why I feel tainted 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:13.120 In the books section and it was on it was on the uh, it was on the 01:31:13.620 --> 01:31:20.300 The masthead as well. It was whatever it's called the bit above the masthead the where where they're talking about the exciting articles in the magazine 01:31:21.300 --> 01:31:23.400 And it was billed 01:31:23.400 --> 01:31:24.280 Roan Williams 01:31:25.160 --> 01:31:26.300 on Leonard Cohen 01:31:27.380 --> 01:31:28.060 and 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:32.380 um in the book section they were reviewing some kind of 01:31:32.380 --> 01:31:33.440 dreary 01:31:33.440 --> 01:31:35.560 Fest shrift or something about 01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:38.040 various essays on Leonard Cohen's 01:31:38.040 --> 01:31:40.320 work and stuff. It was obviously a 01:31:40.820 --> 01:31:41.560 shitty book 01:31:42.020 --> 01:31:49.940 But the literary editor had clearly thought what are we he probably heard that roan williams the former archbishop of canterbury was a 01:31:49.940 --> 01:31:56.780 Leonard Cohen fan and thought wouldn't it be ticklesome to have a former archbishop of of of canterbury 01:31:57.280 --> 01:32:04.560 Writing about something as modish as popular music and and and and slightly edgy as as as lennard lennard cunt 01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:06.120 and 01:32:06.780 --> 01:32:08.640 I was reading this this 01:32:09.320 --> 01:32:11.180 dreary review where there was no 01:32:11.780 --> 01:32:12.200 critical 01:32:12.980 --> 01:32:17.500 Grasp of the book no no no real take on it and the book itself was obviously bad 01:32:18.100 --> 01:32:18.420 but 01:32:19.060 --> 01:32:20.360 More than that 01:32:21.040 --> 01:32:22.120 he missed 01:32:22.910 --> 01:32:25.600 the fundamental problem with lennard cohen 01:32:26.260 --> 01:32:27.920 which is that lennard cohen 01:32:28.660 --> 01:32:29.880 was a 01:32:30.940 --> 01:32:37.420 A spy. He was a member of the illuminati. He was he was he was working for morsel. He's working as intelligence agency 01:32:38.120 --> 01:32:45.280 his his entire life as a poet and later as a singer was a cover for him to infiltrate the 01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:52.800 The culture and and and corrupt it. He was a an obituary of of um one of of 01:32:53.500 --> 01:32:56.980 Of this the sort of the Rothschild circles 01:32:58.120 --> 01:33:03.700 He was he was a he had he he he he sexually abused children. He was a really 01:33:04.500 --> 01:33:09.460 James I don't want to hear it because I I I am I I can I play lots of his music 01:33:09.460 --> 01:33:12.260 Yeah, but you but but I I don't think you should 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:13.480 Okay 01:33:13.480 --> 01:33:16.800 I don't believe anything about children 01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:24.100 Thing is tanya that that cohen came from a I think he talked about his his heritage is 01:33:24.620 --> 01:33:28.500 From the family of clam tours and stuff and rabbis and and things like that 01:33:28.500 --> 01:33:32.840 But on cohen's level they're all into into the deeper cult 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.280 So so whenever you're listening to it to a lennard cohen song 01:33:36.280 --> 01:33:39.980 You're actually listening to a kind of a kind of dark magic spell 01:33:39.980 --> 01:33:44.240 And it is being worked on your brain. This is this is I suppose is where 01:33:45.200 --> 01:33:47.240 It was he was on your 01:33:47.980 --> 01:33:51.880 We're all lovely people that I could play and and sing 01:33:52.500 --> 01:33:54.380 Yeah, he's and I stopped 01:33:56.040 --> 01:34:02.300 Yes, and then I stopped play I stopped singing any of his lyrics about years ago 01:34:03.200 --> 01:34:04.940 um because I was worried 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:09.400 that's when I started playing classical music on the piano instead of um 01:34:10.020 --> 01:34:13.640 You know, I just thought it's it's safer, isn't it to play bark 01:34:15.080 --> 01:34:18.780 Then possibly accidentally um say any spells 01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:20.580 You don't understand 01:34:21.700 --> 01:34:27.200 Anyway back to your review james. You've just really sad is is is sort of lady gaga with intellectual 01:34:27.820 --> 01:34:33.580 pretensions. I mean they're both satanist. It's just that one that one has this sort of 01:34:34.120 --> 01:34:35.320 sort of 01:34:36.120 --> 01:34:42.780 Middle-class it's chin-striking intellectual credibility whereas whereas the other one doesn't uh, or maybe people like appreciate 01:34:43.440 --> 01:34:44.380 be fair 01:34:45.660 --> 01:34:47.720 Lady gaga is awful 01:34:48.580 --> 01:34:51.060 I saw lennard kerlin concert and um 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:55.780 He was fantastic. Oh, yeah, and you'd have appreciated the rhinus and stuff 01:34:55.780 --> 01:35:00.800 My friend the guy who gave me my job as a rock columnist tim rostron lovely man 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:01.940 and 01:35:03.260 --> 01:35:08.960 I think tim had interviewed lennard koan and was a big fan and and and I had a girlfriend who was 01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:16.140 Sam Smith is disgusting and Sharon is vile to listen to lady gaga is awful to listen to these people are 01:35:16.140 --> 01:35:17.920 Britney Spears is awful to listen to 01:35:18.440 --> 01:35:24.680 You hear about um in guantanamo bay people that having to listen to Britney Spears's torture and how people in the west laughed about it 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:30.960 Without realizing that they were being told they were they were being told you are being tortured listening to this 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:36.180 Shit and you don't even know and you're laughing and not realizing that you're laughing at yourself 01:35:36.180 --> 01:35:42.840 But back to your review. So you read this review by raren williams and the spectator that you write for but that's fine 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.360 I don't believe it 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:49.200 What this whole 01:35:52.180 --> 01:35:54.100 Oh, I know why 01:35:57.920 --> 01:35:58.480 Oh 01:35:58.480 --> 01:36:02.740 Yeah, I suppose the sound's gonna be rubbish because I tell you why 01:36:03.280 --> 01:36:05.100 I forgot to set up my 01:36:05.700 --> 01:36:07.060 Well, there's no point doing it now 01:36:07.860 --> 01:36:12.020 For some reason it was because we had guests or something in the in this room 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:17.840 Um, I had to unplug my computer and take it down. Oh, I know why 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:19.080 ah 01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:20.860 My annoying son 01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:22.580 My stupid 01:36:24.100 --> 01:36:25.060 Said oh 01:36:25.060 --> 01:36:27.880 If you want to watch a thing to review 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:32.360 You're gonna have to do it on your computer not mine. So bring your computer downstairs 01:36:32.900 --> 01:36:36.440 And I hate doing this because it means unsetting up my outfit, you know 01:36:37.580 --> 01:36:38.780 Yeah, unsetting up my 01:36:38.780 --> 01:36:40.960 It will still be fine 01:36:42.280 --> 01:36:44.600 People that want to listen to us will struggle through 01:36:45.120 --> 01:36:49.520 Is yours is yours on a microphone is yours on your internal microphone? No 01:36:50.320 --> 01:36:50.800 Yeah 01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:52.280 But okay 01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:57.680 I'm everyone. I'm sorry for the sound. It's my annoying son's fault. Anyway 01:36:58.420 --> 01:37:00.920 The point I was story the story 01:37:01.580 --> 01:37:02.600 I was going to get to 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:04.680 Is this you 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:07.100 You and I 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:15.340 We're both calmed into thinking that Leonard Cohen is a great thing because he's moody and he's great breakup music 01:37:15.340 --> 01:37:21.880 And famous blue raincoats and bird on the wire and he's grouchy and he's just but he's kind of 01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:24.780 He's rye and he's a me either 01:37:24.780 --> 01:37:31.920 He's sardonic and these are all great qualities and we love sardonic and rye and witty and slightly witty and and 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:37.280 We love the fact that alleluia is actually we don't alleluia is the most overrated song 01:37:37.280 --> 01:37:43.240 But we think there's something kind of slightly magical about and it's dark magic 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:48.460 Um paper thin hotel is it's one of my favorite songs. Yeah 01:37:48.460 --> 01:37:49.140 Which one? 01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:51.720 Chelsea hotel hotel 01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:55.560 Paper thin hotel. It's about the Chelsea hotel. All right 01:37:56.320 --> 01:37:56.800 Yeah 01:37:57.420 --> 01:37:57.900 um 01:37:58.480 --> 01:38:00.760 And you condescend to thinking that that kind of 01:38:01.460 --> 01:38:06.860 Oh, of course. Chelsea hotel was actually where giving your head on an unmade bed and all this stuff 01:38:06.860 --> 01:38:11.060 All this kind of slightly sordid stuff that we were encouraged to think is cool 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:13.160 Yeah, yeah, that's not the song 01:38:13.160 --> 01:38:14.540 Anyway, back to your review 01:38:14.900 --> 01:38:17.780 I know it's not the song we're talking about but I'm saying that the same venue 01:38:17.780 --> 01:38:23.420 It's still the same Chelsea hotel and I've stayed there and it's actually not it's nothing to write home about 01:38:23.420 --> 01:38:24.560 It's loveless 01:38:25.260 --> 01:38:25.740 loveless 01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:28.360 Cheers it is it's it's so 01:38:30.580 --> 01:38:33.680 Going back to the um 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:36.740 The apartment 01:38:38.780 --> 01:38:43.480 Everyone talks about the it's it's it's meant to be part of your critical vocabulary 01:38:43.480 --> 01:38:47.860 It's one of those things you're meant to have seen if you haven't seen the apartment. Yeah, you really should see the apartment 01:38:47.860 --> 01:38:49.460 It's billy wilder billy wilder is great 01:38:49.940 --> 01:38:50.420 um 01:38:51.040 --> 01:38:56.400 Jack lemon oh and it's got shelly mcclean with her haircut in one of her earliest roles and she's brilliant 01:38:57.400 --> 01:39:02.500 All this stuff is kind of true, but it also misses the point 01:39:03.060 --> 01:39:06.580 The point of that film is it's showing it's telling you about 01:39:07.120 --> 01:39:11.540 The rat race it's telling you if you want to get on in the rat race 01:39:12.500 --> 01:39:13.980 Schmuck this is the deal 01:39:14.740 --> 01:39:16.720 you have to you have to 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:19.300 Betray your moral principles 01:39:19.940 --> 01:39:20.700 You have to 01:39:20.700 --> 01:39:22.940 Pimp out your apartment 01:39:23.500 --> 01:39:27.580 To your bosses because you're not going to get it on talent. You're not going to get it on hard work 01:39:27.580 --> 01:39:32.180 You're going to get it on on satisfying their base desires and by the way 01:39:32.500 --> 01:39:38.780 Everyone's having affairs. It's just like like four four office bosses in this insurance company 01:39:38.780 --> 01:39:43.680 They're all having affairs and it's just it's how the world is and so on and so on and so 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:46.440 You are being in the guise of comedy 01:39:47.120 --> 01:39:47.900 You are being 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:52.080 Fed a cult magic brainwashing 01:39:52.820 --> 01:39:53.460 and 01:39:54.620 --> 01:39:56.420 The things that we celebrate 01:39:57.020 --> 01:40:01.320 As as classic movies and this is a classic billy wilder nice 60 01:40:02.500 --> 01:40:04.800 They've been doing this since forever 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:10.940 And we've been enabling it by saying oh, isn't it a great movie? Oh, that's script by whatever is called 01:40:10.940 --> 01:40:17.520 We allow our most talented writers and artists to give all of their 01:40:18.580 --> 01:40:22.880 creativity to a language that is corrupting 01:40:23.460 --> 01:40:24.320 people's memory 01:40:25.340 --> 01:40:25.720 so 01:40:26.420 --> 01:40:30.140 When you listen to any kind of conversation from the outside 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:34.460 As someone with none of these cultural markers in their vocabulary 01:40:35.220 --> 01:40:38.420 You realize that people cannot distinguish between 01:40:39.080 --> 01:40:45.120 Having lunch with friends and watching Richard Osmond. Sorry, mommy. Sorry. My mother's just obsessed with Richard Osmond 01:40:45.120 --> 01:40:48.080 She loves them more than me. Um, he sees them more often, but 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:53.340 They they can't distinguish between these cultural markers and their real life 01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:54.520 um 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.100 But everything that is 01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:00.200 Of value you will be rewarded for 01:41:00.940 --> 01:41:03.080 outside of this system 01:41:03.940 --> 01:41:09.720 And you'll love who you love and you'll live morally or or and by by morally I mean 01:41:11.160 --> 01:41:15.960 You'll either live in love or you'll live in fear and you'll either turn bad things into beautiful things 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.860 Or you'll turn beautiful things into ugly things and you'll do it 01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:22.460 From your soul, you won't do it because you're 01:41:22.460 --> 01:41:26.320 Belied into it and it's better the devil, you know, it just won't happen like that 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:27.120 the 01:41:27.120 --> 01:41:30.320 The whole television thing is um, just escapism 01:41:31.020 --> 01:41:31.320 really 01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:35.060 But i'm a complete daydreamer in the filicalia 01:41:35.060 --> 01:41:39.240 It says that daydreaming is it is a sin james and I spend a solid 01:41:39.240 --> 01:41:41.720 Life dreaming. Yeah 01:41:42.420 --> 01:41:42.900 are you 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:45.380 Are you not recommending the filicalia? 01:41:45.980 --> 01:41:50.980 Oh, I always think it's I love the filicalia. Um, and I don't expect 01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:53.860 to be in 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:59.260 Harmony with um an ascetic because I'm not 01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:05.060 Vain enough to imagine I've spent 20 years 01:42:05.060 --> 01:42:08.660 Dwelling in a cave contemplating my navel I've 01:42:09.500 --> 01:42:15.780 But um, sorry, that's that's I have spent 20 years contemplating my navel but in the comfort of my 01:42:16.660 --> 01:42:17.080 homes 01:42:17.080 --> 01:42:23.260 Um, I don't know. I obviously think it's amazing, but I I'm a daydreamer and 01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:25.300 Um, apparently that's a bad thing 01:42:26.040 --> 01:42:29.320 You may think you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one is what you're saying 01:42:30.980 --> 01:42:31.420 Hmm 01:42:32.880 --> 01:42:34.520 I'm crossing your mouth with each other 01:42:35.200 --> 01:42:38.220 No, I know, but I'm just I'm sad about this daydreaming thing 01:42:38.220 --> 01:42:41.160 I really like I really am dreaming 01:42:42.340 --> 01:42:46.100 Well, you tell me I think maybe you have to materialize it 01:42:46.100 --> 01:42:50.660 So I think it's all right today dream, but you have to physically put something real 01:42:51.280 --> 01:42:55.080 In the actual world if you want to change things so 01:42:56.320 --> 01:42:58.660 You just need to plant a seed 01:42:59.380 --> 01:43:00.420 instead of 01:43:00.420 --> 01:43:03.580 A pick in order to picture your garden grow 01:43:03.580 --> 01:43:10.640 You also need to put some physical actual seeds in so that you can shift the astral plane. Maybe I don't know 01:43:11.480 --> 01:43:11.780 No 01:43:11.780 --> 01:43:12.460 I think no 01:43:13.620 --> 01:43:19.300 The the whole this whole you know this whole christian dualist idea that you were talking about where you 01:43:20.160 --> 01:43:28.060 Who was it? I think it was actually Alan Watts that said this about how the the fantasy of the saints basically escaping their corporate real 01:43:28.060 --> 01:43:28.800 body 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:30.360 um 01:43:31.040 --> 01:43:36.640 Is also the the technological fantasy of escaping your body into this 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:37.600 um 01:43:38.540 --> 01:43:40.080 Make you know into the 01:43:40.780 --> 01:43:42.780 Virtual reality. Well, yes 01:43:42.780 --> 01:43:49.440 It's the same fantasy. It's the same side. And by the way, philip sherrod the great christian orthodox thinker 01:43:49.440 --> 01:43:53.600 He also says this he also says that the problems 01:43:54.120 --> 01:43:57.960 That we have created in nature and from our desire to 01:43:58.820 --> 01:44:02.060 Um control and by proxy destroy everything 01:44:02.780 --> 01:44:03.960 We have to understand 01:44:04.740 --> 01:44:08.760 The roots of this in our christian tradition very interesting, but we can't 01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:15.820 Because we've been talking for two hours and I've got to go to my friend's societal should I should I read philip sherrod? 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:20.080 Yes, you should read absolutely christianity and um eros 01:44:20.080 --> 01:44:24.600 And you should read the sacred and life and art and you should read them today and they're life changing 01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:26.200 In fact, I just read them both again 01:44:28.160 --> 01:44:31.660 I I do you know what I would get when they turn up 01:44:31.660 --> 01:44:36.640 I'm gonna get such a bollocking from the wife because all I do is read christian books and she finds it really annoying 01:44:37.160 --> 01:44:40.580 Well, she don't find these too annoying. They're fascinating 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:44.620 They're they're really fascinating titles. She's not going to read them 01:44:46.100 --> 01:44:47.300 Well, don't um 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:48.120 but 01:44:48.580 --> 01:44:51.180 I mean, I sorry then jake christ 01:44:51.180 --> 01:44:57.920 Rip you're saying you have to hide what you read from your wife. No, I don't I don't I just don't like the grief 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:01.940 You know because she said why can't you read something? It's not christian 01:45:02.660 --> 01:45:04.860 Well, this is very interesting 01:45:04.860 --> 01:45:09.440 And I think that you would benefit from it hugely and it will probably be very different to the other things that you've read 01:45:10.080 --> 01:45:10.640 and 01:45:11.660 --> 01:45:15.600 Things I'm afraid because everything in our culture 01:45:16.440 --> 01:45:20.820 Is either a reaction to christianity or it is of it 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:24.680 And they are the same thing. So 01:45:25.500 --> 01:45:28.200 I'm really going to look them up now 01:45:28.200 --> 01:45:28.780 You know 01:45:28.780 --> 01:45:32.640 I because I haven't eaten 01:45:34.220 --> 01:45:38.920 I'm only talking to you because we've got this big show in march and I want everybody's the last one we do 01:45:39.900 --> 01:45:46.100 To tell you to tell everyone tell everyone what you're promoting what you're doing. Yes. I'm here to promote. I'm here to 01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:49.280 Do your spiel you do your hard sell 01:45:49.860 --> 01:45:50.080 now 01:45:50.080 --> 01:45:55.340 Alice and I are doing a show in london at top secret comedy on the 7th of march 01:45:55.340 --> 01:46:00.160 And it's our last one in london until christmas. We are doing some more around the country 01:46:00.160 --> 01:46:01.460 We're going to go back to glasgo 01:46:01.940 --> 01:46:08.300 We're in altered on friday. We're doing are you doing bath? We are going to bath. Please come to bath 01:46:08.820 --> 01:46:11.860 Um, that's for the comedy festival. We're doing south hampton again 01:46:11.860 --> 01:46:15.440 We're going to lots of places, but this one in london. It's in our big room 01:46:15.440 --> 01:46:18.140 and it's on saturday the 7th of march at 5 p.m 01:46:18.700 --> 01:46:18.940 and 01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:23.180 It's it will be really fun and we're not going to be in london again till christmas 01:46:23.180 --> 01:46:26.260 So I would love it if that was super busy. Please 01:46:28.580 --> 01:46:30.460 Go everyone go 01:46:31.220 --> 01:46:35.240 Listen to me now. Listen to me harry. Yes. Go to 01:46:35.900 --> 01:46:37.060 go to 01:46:37.820 --> 01:46:40.860 Go to tarnia's and alistar's show 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:43.000 At 5 p.m 01:46:44.540 --> 01:46:46.420 On the on what day on the way 01:46:47.020 --> 01:46:50.380 Saturday the 7th of march saturday the 7th 01:46:51.340 --> 01:46:56.360 Of march in London. I think last day of the hunting season 01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:00.540 Um in many many packs. Maybe the last day ever 01:47:01.340 --> 01:47:02.220 um, yeah 01:47:02.740 --> 01:47:03.880 Thank you tarnia 01:47:04.500 --> 01:47:05.300 That was good 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:08.660 Um, interesting. Are you going to do now? 01:47:10.200 --> 01:47:14.640 Yeah, I've got no I've got no milk in the house, but I cannot be bothered to go and get some milk 01:47:15.700 --> 01:47:21.560 Immediately, I'm going to force myself to have again unfortunately. I've been banned from caffeine 01:47:22.120 --> 01:47:25.140 I'm going to have a decaffeinated which would be really shit 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:31.820 Deca I'm going to make up for it. I'm going to try and have a cigarette with it because I'm about to because 01:47:31.820 --> 01:47:32.620 it's 01:47:33.340 --> 01:47:34.620 You know lent is 01:47:35.260 --> 01:47:39.140 Yeah, what are you giving up? I'm giving up my morning cigarette 01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:45.720 Well, I stopped smoking and I stopped everything and so nothing 01:47:46.340 --> 01:47:52.120 Yeah, everything. Um, well, what do you mean forever? I've stopped smoking forever. I'm never smoking again and I've um 01:47:52.120 --> 01:47:57.180 Why would you do that really to your body because it wasn't suiting emf 01:47:58.560 --> 01:47:59.120 Sorry 01:48:00.280 --> 01:48:03.040 How are you going to protect yourself from emf? 01:48:04.380 --> 01:48:06.660 Tobacco protects you from emn 01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:11.700 Yeah, well, I'm not it's not protect. It's not good for me anymore 01:48:12.740 --> 01:48:18.120 Yeah, I'm not um, I'm not doing it ever again and I'm giving up complaining for lent 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:26.980 We we might be in danger of becoming very very boring if we become too saintly 01:48:27.480 --> 01:48:32.640 That's what I'm saying. Well, I'm already struggling with it. I'm gonna have to have a minute 01:48:34.540 --> 01:48:35.160 Hmm 01:48:36.020 --> 01:48:37.080 I don't know 01:48:37.080 --> 01:48:42.600 I've I've been talking to god about this this issue. Um about 01:48:43.320 --> 01:48:44.560 I worry about 01:48:45.490 --> 01:48:46.780 If I become too nice 01:48:47.410 --> 01:48:49.680 Not, you know, not catty and stuff 01:48:50.350 --> 01:48:52.260 In my articles. I may 01:48:53.060 --> 01:48:55.200 destroy my artistic raison d'etre 01:48:56.080 --> 01:48:58.360 anyway, tanya, um 01:48:58.850 --> 01:49:00.580 Lovely talking to you. Thank you for your 01:49:00.580 --> 01:49:06.600 By the way, let's get back to that shit wisdom. Um and everyone 01:49:08.700 --> 01:49:13.340 Keep watching my stuff and supporting me if you can I think you can go to my website now 01:49:13.340 --> 01:49:15.940 You can think you can even actually james deling poll dot 01:49:17.320 --> 01:49:17.760 Really? 01:49:18.100 --> 01:49:21.680 I don't think you can do it. Yeah, sorry. You can go. Um 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:22.540 You can support me 01:49:23.780 --> 01:49:27.200 Go into your recitals. You bounded me by my love to love 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:28.720 Bye. Thank you 01:49:29.300 --> 01:49:32.500 Don't turn your thing off. I won't turn it off. I won't turn it off