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With us today, we have Chris Rossini, our co-host. Chris, welcome to the program.
Great to be with you again, Dr. Paul.
Very good. I guess we'll key in on a subject that's been around, and we're trying to figure it out.
It's hard to figure it out because the people who are running this war, they haven't even figured it out yet,
and nobody has explained to us yet why we're in this war, and nobody's explained to us how we're going to get out of this war.
We're just wondering, who's in charge?
Right now, I think it might be the war machine, the people who make profits.
Maybe it's that group of people who behind the scenes pull the strings.
But anyway, in the news, we hear things about the leader of Israel, the leader of the United States,
and that, of course, is Trump and Netanyahu, and there was a lot of talk before the bombs started falling,
and we hoped they wouldn't fall, told people why it shouldn't be falling, and yet they still did.
And now they're talking about, now we're getting mixed signals, believe it or not, mixed signals.
We've had a couple before, but today, they're pretty important,
because it seems like the two that can thrive to have this war, Netanyahu and Trump, aren't on the same page all the time,
and it looks to me on the surface, of course I don't know, it just seems like Trump maybe haven't enough of this war.
Maybe reality is setting in, maybe he realizes that we're running out of money,
maybe that things aren't going exactly as they planned, and maybe sanctions and tariffs and printing money is not the answer to our problems.
So now, Chris, I think we have to sort of discuss and give us an opinion, because it's so difficult,
and it is, and I'm sure the American people are running out, who's in charge?
You know, well, why don't you look at the record, and why don't you look at our Constitution?
And on our side, the people are in charge, and if it has a war issue, the people, they get to know their congressman,
and then if there's a debate on the war, they urge their congressman to support a debate on the war,
and explain to the people what's going on.
So I think they skipped that part. I think that's one of our pros, Chris, is that hasn't happened,
but now I think there's this effort, they've had enough just for a day that they don't talk about Ukraine anymore.
They got tired of it, they sort of welcomed the distraction, and yet nothing really changed in Ukraine.
I mean, the problems are still there, but they quit because of fatigue.
And right now, I sense that the fatigue has already set in, which is good news.
It didn't take a whole long, you know, a long time, but there's still a lot of danger ahead.
How's this going to happen? And the big question is, who's boss?
And I'd like to see what you think about that. Do you know who's boss?
I do not, but I do know that Trump's first year, last year, the warning signs were there.
Netanyahu visited a record number of times. I believe it was close to, like, once every two months,
which on the surface, you know, if you're going to make America great again,
why is a prime minister from any country coming here once every two months?
It wasn't just that, though. It was like a revolving door of our government officials going to Israel.
There's always somebody there going to the wall, doing what they do.
There was the sneak attacks. They bombed peace negotiations.
I mean, I can't believe my country takes part in that.
So here we are, beginning of year two, and the fruits are starting to come out.
And they are rotten fruits. You know, we are again in the Middle East war
with a president that was voted not to do this and spoke out against it.
And here he is saying that he did it because he felt that Israel was going to be attacked.
That is not how you go to war in America, you know.
But again, maybe it is how we go to war ever since World War II.
Congress has been gone, not part of the equation.
And Trump uses, you know, they make joint decisions.
I believe yesterday or today he said he was looking for the consent where he talks about the consent of Israel.
So this is not making America great again. The warning signs were there, and now we're in trouble again.
You know, we shouldn't be surprised at all about the way things are going right now
with nobody in charge, really, that we can determine and what the plan is or why we're there.
And this was done at the beginning with, you know, the contriving of, you know, and Trump.
And yet even when they started the bombing it was sort of really fuzzy.
And I mentioned the other day, really the explanation didn't make any sense,
that we went into, we joined in because Israel was getting ahead of us.
And that would incite, you know, people to bomb our bases and go after America.
Well, if you joined the war and become the war, why wouldn't that increase it even more?
So I never quite figured that out that there was that.
Anyway, we joined the end. We've been fighting. We've been spending money.
They never have enough money in this sort of thing.
But we don't know who's really in charge.
And that is a big problem. And right now there's a headline this morning in The New American.
They're thinking about this, too, and they're trying to sort of that.
It says Israel, headline, Israel and Trump disagree on ending the war in Iran.
It seems like they were mixed up at the beginning, but I think they agreed, you know,
what they had to do. And they, one way or another, they were going to invade.
And start bombing Iran, not realizing already they've expressed, personally,
they've expressed, you know, that they're positioned.
We're surprised. We're surprised that they did that.
We're surprised they did this and this.
And as it's going on so long, things aren't going as well as they expected.
So now, you know, they threaten about, you know, the straight of the loose.
And that's not going well. And now there's an oil shortage.
And now the pro-war Americans are disturbed because this might affect the economy like all wars do.
So now they're saying, who's to blame?
So now the effort is, oh, we're going to let the Russians sell a little bit.
We'll have to relax the sanctions on Russia.
And even now they're talking about removing some sanctions on Iran.
They have a lot of ships out with oil. We're going to leave them alone.
I mean, it's really crazy. It's schizophrenic, political schizophrenia,
because they do one thing, but they don't have a well thought through plan or why they're doing it.
And they don't have no moral or constitutional justification.
That's where the real problem is.
And now they're trying to get people to agree on how to end the war.
And President Trump, let's see this article we're on to say,
President Trump purported his desire to end the war in Iran sooner rather than later,
is at odds with Israel's timetable reports indicate.
And that's why we suggested a title. Who's in charge?
And already the argument goes, who did what when and who's going to be blamed?
And now there's two parts of this, the aggressive effort to start the war, start the bombing.
And they even got mixed up then. Now they're talking about who ordered this bombing,
who ordered this, what should we do, what should we do with the straight of her moves?
And there's a disagreement, but that shouldn't surprise us.
It doesn't help. I think in the comparison, even though I have lots of qualms of World War II,
how it really got started and what the background was, but it was quite a bit different.
People knew exactly what happened. There was this outlight bombing.
And they were politically correct enough to let the opposition drop the bombs.
This time we have our side, so-called side, the Americans and the Israelis,
couldn't get together and really explain why they're doing this.
So that's up for grabs. And I think it's that uncertainty, Chris, that is a big problem.
I think it's going to prolong the answers and the decisions to be made to get this over with.
And it's going to cost a lot more money. I wish to stop.
Chris, I think it's appropriate to go back to my old slogan, just come home.
Yes, absolutely. We just marched in. We could just march out.
I want to focus for a minute or two about this group of people that, you know, the president is a disappointment.
But Congress is just a bore. They're nonexist.
And I hate to say it, but the American people, myself included, we've been duped our lives.
You know, I went to a government or a public high school.
So I remember what was taught in social studies and, you know, about government,
you know, how the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
It is not in practice, how there are checks and balances.
No, in practice, how a bill becomes a law.
No, again, how the Congress is the closest to the people to represent the interests of the people.
Well, look at what we have. Congress is virtually nonexistent.
You know, how a bill becomes a law.
We were duped. You know, do they even debate anything anymore?
They definitely don't debate this, this monumental thing that we're involved in.
And we started again last year.
I can't fault everybody because Representative Massey was warning us.
You know, everybody's got an APAC guy around here.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene complained.
She said she was frustrated.
All we do is pass bills for Israel around here.
I remember that. That may have been on talk or two.
So millions of people, you know, in the last few years have been learning about APAC
and they see their representatives on X.
We stand with Israel. We stand with Israel.
They trip over each other to tell us how much they stand with Israel.
But this is not new. This didn't just happen in the last two years.
I have a quote from Pat Buchanan, the great Pat Buchanan, who said this in 1990,
36 years ago, he said, quote, the Congress of the United States is Israeli occupied territory.
End quote, 36 years ago.
So again, the seeds were planted and we're bearing the rotten fruit today.
And they had to sort of exclude Pat from even talking and being a public person
over these last several decades.
But there is an effort now for dealing with the subject that we have brought up.
And I want to call attention to an article that has just come out in the Wall Street Journal.
And the Wall Street Journal is not exactly libertarian leaning.
They're not with us on all this non-interference.
So I want to quote from them because they're facing the same dilemma of who's doing what.
And the title is US and Israel Disagree.
A Wall Street Journal report from Wednesday bolsters the notion that Israel wants to drag out the war longer than America does.
Could be true.
But why did we help them start it?
That's what is annoying.
There is some concern among the White House officials that Israel wants the war to last after the U.S. expresses its desire to end bombing campaign.
The official said U.S. and Israeli officials say the Israeli message is it will stop its campaign in Iran whenever the U.S. involvement stopped.
Now this isn't coming from some conspiracy group, somebody that's been with non-interventionists for decades.
This is coming from the Wall Street Journal.
So this goes on as Trump has told AIDS he wants to end the war.
I really believe he said that he wanted to.
But at one time he said he didn't want to start wars.
So that makes it more difficult to figure out which words we have to cling to.
But it doesn't change the responsibility of all Americans and all people who can get attention to make the case for peace rather than war.
And that most of the wars, matter of fact could be all wars, especially since World War II, could have been prevented.
We would not have had to be in any of them if we would have followed the rules that were supposed to follow.
And Trump told the AIDS he wanted to end the war and after brokering a ceasefire in the last year's 12-day war,
he believes he can put a stop to the fighting when he wants.
U.S. officials said, that's a good quote.
Well, if he wants to do it and it's possible, that's the right thing to do.
Why don't they do it?
Man, I shouldn't be asking questions.
I should suggest what they do.
And my suggestions have always been don't get involved.
Getting involved is all easy.
It's all political.
And some of the people who would take Trump, give Trump excuses,
he said before that he doesn't want to have the wars.
And a lot of people now said that same thing.
They're up against it because there's Americans in harm's way and Americans are starting to die.
Americans are very unhappy with what's happening in the economy.
So they do this and they back out.
They don't stick with their original premise and say,
we said non-intervention, don't go in, don't have the war.
But no, once the war breaks out, it's very hard to stop the wars.
And that's what the practical lesson they ought to learn.
Very good, Dr. Paul.
I'll finish up with my closing statement and this is a real eye-opener
because I just learned it this morning.
Iran's military budget is $10 billion, $10 billion.
America's is over a trillion.
And Iran is one of the most sanctioned countries.
And the Pentagon comes out and says they want another $200 billion to fight Iran.
It's amazing even saying these words.
And Iran with $10 billion has halted the world with drones and missiles.
And Trump goes out, we destroyed this and that.
They're not fighting you with that.
It's missiles and drones and they are seizing up the world, piling on costs.
This is the asymmetric warfare on our government and on us and Asia, Europe
with $10 billion budget and our Pentagon wants to rob us of another $200 billion.
I mean, it's stunning, stunning these numbers.
And we wonder why the American standard of living has been spiraling down the drain for decades.
This is it.
The empire has bankrupted us.
We had some hope.
The guy with the red hat that was dancing on the stage was going to focus on America, not the empire.
He chose the empire, he chose Israel and now we're all paying the price.
You know, this has led to an old debate, an old reality and that is wars cause economic problems at home.
And they say wars cause inflation and that wars can be used to get out of a depression.
And all that is total nonsense.
You could send up prices but it indirectly causes inflation because of what Chris just pointed out.
They wanted $200 billion for this war.
We don't have it.
We have to steal it either from the people or defraud the people by printing the money.
And they do this.
They can get away with it and they're doing it because they want to keep the people safe and the people go along with it.
But it leads to a problem and a dilemma really for the Federal Reserve.
They don't know what to do because the economy is starting to reflect.
Even today's news and the economy is not going well.
And that means the recession is going to be very evident quite soon.
And then that will put more pressure on the war.
People will say, well, we can't quit.
We haven't won and we don't want to lose a war.
We thought we got that out of our system with Vietnam.
Oh yeah, I think we didn't win the war in Afghanistan either.
But the Fed now has a problem with a recession.
And even before the recession started, the President always argued and I said that he's ahead of the game
because he knew that the interest rates eventually would have to be cut.
And now that's what's the problem is they're trying to keep the interest rates from climbing.
But low interest rates, that means more inflation and that means that the people are going to be unhappier
and that means that the turmoil at home is going to be more difficult.
The maldistribution of wealth will continue because that's a natural consequence of the destruction of a currency
and that means that there will be more violence here at home.
So this is a bad situation.
It's been on again, off again, up and down, you know, ever since we had the Fed especially.
And it's a little bit of a human nature.
But right now I think we're facing conditions that are making it much worse.
They're not going to easily settle this debate.
Who started the war and who's going to end it and who's the boss?
And I think ultimately the market is the boss.
The market will tell you that something has to be done and that's why the market has questioned our foreign policy
and the market has questioned the availability of the dollar to the people.
And that means that the people are questioning our leadership in the world.
And that's going to be resolved.
But there'll be ups and downs on that.
And there'll still be people.
We are the only country that can print money and get away with it.
So we need more money, but it's going to lead to more trouble.
And the neat part about all this, this could all be a positive.
It wakes up people, wakes up the people what the government is doing to us.
It wakes up people according to what they're doing to the monetary policy.
It wakes up people and say, why do we have a foreign policy like this?
And believe me, more and more people are coming our way on that.
The unfortunate part, the majority of people that maneuver themselves in the position of power,
you know, their goal in life is to stay there.
So even when they were saying good things, they switch around because to stay there,
they have to satisfy the special interest.
They have to, you know, maintain what are the rules in protecting democracy?
The protection of mob rule is what it really is.
So I see this as a horrible situation.
Things could get worse, but it's also an opportunity for us to get the message of liberty and sound money out
because it is the answer to this.
And it's not only an economic issue.
It's not only a foreign policy issue.
It's a moral issue.
And that's the hardest part that people can understand.
But lying to keep these individuals in power.
And that's what happens once they have an empire going, you know, the empire becomes the deciding factor.
And that will lead us to the crisis that I'm talking about.
But I'm excited about the fact that the answer to it and the understanding of how freedom really works
is available to us in this electronic age.
Everybody can find the information, but they have to have the moral fiber to look for the right things
and study and learn and participate.
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