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socioeconomic children face in the United States I've 03:45.580 --> 03:51.700 written a number of articles and then in 2002 2003 I kind of stumbled 03:51.700 --> 03:57.000 across a nationwide child trafficking network that had been covered up and I 03:57.000 --> 04:00.960 spent the next seven years writing a book on that called the Franklin scantle 04:00.960 --> 04:05.300 a story of power brokers child abuse and betrayal and that was published in 04:05.300 --> 04:11.820 about 209 to 10 and then I started to investigate Jeffrey Epstein in 2011 04:12.600 --> 04:18.100 and what I found when I investigated Jeffrey Epstein was basically a carbon 04:18.100 --> 04:26.860 copy of the Franklin scan and I this is back in 2011 when nobody even knew the 04:26.860 --> 04:34.860 name Jeffrey Epstein so I actually acquired his black book in 2011 and I 04:34.860 --> 04:40.720 would eventually acquire his flight logs but no one wanted to touch it in the 04:40.720 --> 04:47.660 mainstream media no one and I sat on that till I sat on those things till 04:47.660 --> 04:56.420 2015 and finally somebody was willing to publish it and we published the black 04:56.420 --> 05:01.460 book and the flight logs in 2015 on Gawker which was eventually sued into 05:01.460 --> 05:08.460 oblivion by one of Jeffrey Epstein's friends Peter Teal and there was we 05:08.460 --> 05:15.240 were thinking of there'd be a bang but there was kind of a whimper and then 05:15.240 --> 05:21.440 in 2019 Americans just weren't ready for what we had to say I think that was the 05:21.440 --> 05:26.560 problem and then in 2019 after Jeffrey Epstein got arrested there was a renewed 05:26.560 --> 05:41.040 interest in. So yeah, I'm dimly aware of the Franklin scantle and you can 05:41.040 --> 05:46.720 tell me more about it but I've got to ask you how come you're still alive. 05:49.460 --> 05:54.720 Well, people ask me that all the time. Yeah, I've had I've only had one 05:54.720 --> 06:02.820 death threat. So what what for did that take how how how explicit was it? It 06:02.820 --> 06:07.680 was the first. Okay, so the Franklin network, the epicenter of it was the 06:07.680 --> 06:11.440 Omaha, Nebraska. That's where they got most of the kids, but they fly them 06:11.440 --> 06:15.200 around the country but mostly to DC at a party house. That was right for 06:15.200 --> 06:22.100 audiovisual blackmail much like Craig Spence or Jeffrey Epstein songs and it 06:22.100 --> 06:31.400 was I'd been in Omaha for about seven or eight days asking questions talking to 06:31.400 --> 06:36.640 various people that have been involved and on my last night and actually I 06:36.640 --> 06:40.860 had an old friend that lived in Omaha and I was staying with him and then on the 06:40.860 --> 06:45.980 last night a woman came to the door and told me I was in great danger and I 06:45.980 --> 06:46.840 was going to get killed. 06:49.500 --> 06:54.420 Did did did she feel like somebody he was friendly or was it was it concerned 06:54.420 --> 06:57.260 or was it basically a warning? A threat? 07:00.220 --> 07:05.120 I've got a magniliquent vocabulary and I've been a writer for 35 years but I 07:05.120 --> 07:12.760 really would have a hard time describing her and what she came across as. She 07:12.760 --> 07:18.500 was a very strange looking woman and someone that was definitely on the 07:18.500 --> 07:25.700 spooky side. So I mean just taking a look at her would make you step her 07:25.700 --> 07:32.120 back. So that was that was my first death threat and I'd investigate some 07:32.120 --> 07:36.380 really heavy-duty stories in the past but that was my first death threat and I 07:36.380 --> 07:41.580 was also followed there too when I was in Omaha. I caught someone following me 07:41.580 --> 07:48.080 and in a car and then the Nebraska State Patrol which played an integral 07:48.080 --> 07:53.060 role in covering this up starting to call my friend's house on a daily basis. 07:53.460 --> 07:59.200 So that and then when I was talking to people that had been involved in 07:59.200 --> 08:04.680 this there were some fairly high-profile deaths in this in the Franklin 08:04.680 --> 08:10.520 scandal and when I was talking to people it was like I was talking to it was 08:10.520 --> 08:18.600 like I was writing the expose on the KGB in Stalinist Russia. People in Omaha 08:19.760 --> 08:21.580 were terrified to talk about this. 08:26.320 --> 08:30.800 It's I mean I don't know how American listeners will feel about this but I 08:30.800 --> 08:40.320 think most European viewers watching this will be going Omaha, Nebraska. It's 08:40.320 --> 08:46.300 like it's like Boring'sville. Nothing ever happens there. Was there any 08:46.300 --> 08:48.760 particular reason that this happened in Nebraska or was it happening 08:48.760 --> 08:52.200 everywhere and you just happened to expose it then? Well I think it happens in 08:52.200 --> 08:57.640 a lot of places Nebraska is different though. Strategic air command which is 08:57.640 --> 09:04.540 the brain of the US defense is located at Stratcom which is just outside 09:04.540 --> 09:13.220 Omaha. So there's an enormously high number of CIA personnel in the Omaha 09:13.220 --> 09:21.860 area because of Stratcom. Right. And I believe and I think that law enforcement 09:21.860 --> 09:29.820 is kind of hooked into that and I think that they keep pretty close tabs on 09:29.820 --> 09:40.140 people that might encroach upon Stratcom. Right. Before you expose the 09:40.140 --> 09:47.460 Franklin scandal, did you sort of believe more or less in the system or were you 09:47.460 --> 09:56.420 always skeptical? My first major investigation, I'm from Minneapolis and it 09:56.420 --> 10:01.140 was through the alternative weekly and there was a serial killer killing 10:01.140 --> 10:08.740 prostitutes in Minneapolis and law enforcement denied that and I threw a 10:08.740 --> 10:14.860 lot of investigation, a lot of work. I got the names of 38 mostly prostitutes 10:15.420 --> 10:21.300 that had been stabbed strangled or beaten in the previous eight years and then I 10:21.300 --> 10:25.340 brought it to the law enforcement and I said you still want to go on with this 10:25.340 --> 10:30.000 story that there's no serial killer and then they became somewhat receptive 10:30.000 --> 10:36.940 but then a task force was formed after that. So but I think had that 10:36.940 --> 10:43.340 an article not come out, definitely without a doubt a task force wouldn't have 10:43.340 --> 10:49.280 been formed and I also interviewed the former boss of the Lucchese crime 10:49.280 --> 10:53.580 family, one of the five major crime families in the United States at the 10:53.580 --> 11:00.390 Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado and he told me he was using NY to 11:00.390 --> 11:08.530 highly decorated NYP detectives for hits and I started to investigate that and 11:08.530 --> 11:17.810 the feds had said that he was a psychopath and that he was responsible for 11:17.810 --> 11:25.440 36 homicides and he shouldn't ever be believed and just because someone's 11:25.440 --> 11:31.080 psychopath it doesn't mean that they can't tell the truth. I mean they don't 11:31.080 --> 11:34.680 have any compunction about lying but it doesn't mean that that precludes them 11:34.680 --> 11:39.780 from telling the truth. So I started digging into that and I got an FBI 11:39.780 --> 11:47.300 document about those cops doing hits and I accumulated other evidence and I 11:47.300 --> 11:51.620 brought it back to the magazine that sent me out there and they said well 11:51.620 --> 11:55.280 you know Nick these are highly decorated police officers and this guy's a 11:55.280 --> 12:01.520 psychopath in prison for 10 life sentences but I said you know here's some 12:01.520 --> 12:07.560 evidence that basically corroborates him and the magazine wouldn't go with it 12:07.560 --> 12:15.480 and this was in 1999 and six years later those cops were indicted for doing 12:15.480 --> 12:25.160 hits for this mob boss. So in two major investigative articles that I'd done I 12:25.940 --> 12:32.420 had seen tremendous malfeasance in both state and federal law enforcement. This 12:32.420 --> 12:37.920 on the other hand was difficult to grasp because the federal government and state 12:37.920 --> 12:41.620 government were covering up a child trafficking network as we're seeing with 12:41.620 --> 12:48.200 the Epstein case and if you cover up a crime you're abetting that crime and it 12:48.200 --> 12:53.720 was hard for me initially to get my mind around that the federal government 12:53.720 --> 13:01.840 would aid in a bad child trafficking. But and I went to Omaha the first time 13:01.840 --> 13:09.860 very skeptical but then I came back from Omaha very very kind of 13:09.860 --> 13:17.300 discombobulated I realized it was true and I mean I was freaked out about the 13:17.300 --> 13:22.040 death threat and the other stuff but what freaked me out even more was that it 13:22.040 --> 13:29.500 was true that there was this huge child trafficking network that was destroying 13:29.500 --> 13:35.860 children one after the other and that had been covered up by state and federal 13:35.860 --> 13:40.220 law enforcement I just I found that sign I thought that there would be a line in 13:40.220 --> 13:50.720 the sand somewhere. And who was running this operation? The the pimp in DC was 13:50.720 --> 13:56.280 named Lawrence King and the pimp in Washington DC was named Craig Spatz. 13:57.980 --> 14:03.500 King oversaw he managed a credit union the Franklin credit union ergo the 14:03.500 --> 14:10.020 Franklin scandal and Craig Spatz was a power broker in Washington DC who had a 14:10.020 --> 14:14.740 mansion in a very upscale part of DC that was right through audiovisual blackmail 14:14.740 --> 14:21.720 and he was also a CIA asset. And and I believe that he was blackmailing people 14:21.720 --> 14:30.500 for the dark malignant corner of CIA that does that type of thing. So his 14:30.500 --> 14:37.720 function was to collect Compromat and use use the truck of children. He had a 14:37.720 --> 14:44.980 source for children but he primarily relied upon King to bring kids in. And where 14:44.980 --> 14:49.100 did they find these what what what what numbers are we talking about here? 14:52.160 --> 14:58.480 Hundreds. The Franklin network was operational for about 10 years. 14:59.900 --> 15:06.180 And the Epstein network was operational for about 25 years. But I think that the 15:06.180 --> 15:11.560 Franklin network was much bigger than the Epstein network. Right. I think in 15:11.560 --> 15:17.040 totality they probably destroyed probably about the same number of children. But 15:17.040 --> 15:22.700 the Franklin network was much bigger than the Jeff Epstein network. And 15:23.400 --> 15:25.260 where are they getting these children? 15:27.540 --> 15:33.880 Predators are they know how to pray. There was a there's a orphanage on the 15:33.880 --> 15:38.320 outskirts of Omaha called Boys Town. It's probably the most iconic orphanage in the 15:38.320 --> 15:44.700 world. They were plundering Boys Town for underage prostitutes. And they were also 15:44.700 --> 15:49.500 plundering the foster care system. There was a foster care. There was someone who put 15:49.500 --> 15:56.220 children in foster care homes that where they would be trafficked. And then kids just 15:56.220 --> 16:04.300 fall between the cracks to run away kids. Kids that have no really latchkey kids whose parents 16:04.300 --> 16:09.760 are busy don't really keep tabs on them. Those type of kids fall through the cracks 16:09.760 --> 16:12.920 and they're scooped up to by networks like this. 16:13.880 --> 16:17.560 Right. And these children but what ages? 16:21.020 --> 16:34.880 The primarily Spence and King like pubescent boys. Just like Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey 16:34.880 --> 16:42.280 Epstein like pubescent girls. But if you wanted someone if you wanted a kid that was younger 16:42.920 --> 16:49.720 they would get you a kid that was younger. And I've known that Epstein was trafficking 16:49.720 --> 16:54.240 girls under the age of 12 for quite some time. And now because of the Epstein documents that have 16:54.240 --> 16:59.820 come out we're seeing that that some of these kids were trafficked at a very young age. 17:01.020 --> 17:12.360 Right. And so they're being used for prostitution obviously. I don't know if I 17:12.360 --> 17:16.880 what I mean is that they're being they're being used to provide sexual favors for 17:17.640 --> 17:23.560 yes. But but presumably some of the for some of these poor kids it's much worse than that. 17:23.640 --> 17:28.480 They're basically being sold to be to be killed by people to get their kicks out of it or to 17:28.480 --> 17:36.500 be killed for satanic ritual purposes. There was an occult dimension of the Franklin scandal. 17:36.500 --> 17:44.860 And there were extremely sadistic pedophiles with the Epstein scandal. I've also known about 17:44.860 --> 17:52.640 extremely sadistic pedophiles. And now we're getting accounts of victims alleged victims 17:52.640 --> 18:06.480 that were possibly killed. But I should say that those accounts aren't very solid. They're 18:06.480 --> 18:13.860 has declared that only Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell acted alone. They had no co-conspirators. 18:14.280 --> 18:19.380 So the government hasn't been inclined to investigate any of the documentation that's 18:19.380 --> 18:36.460 been given to them that that hundreds of thousands of documents. I want to come on to Epstein in 18:36.460 --> 18:40.960 many similar operations going through the decades. It didn't it didn't suddenly start in there. When 18:40.960 --> 18:48.880 was the Franklin scandal in the 1980s 90s late. It was in the 80s. Yeah. And then put up in the 18:48.880 --> 18:54.080 early 90s. I mean I can't believe that it wasn't also happening in the 40s and the 30s and the 18:54.080 --> 19:04.920 20s. Yeah. I mean child trafficking isn't something new. But with the Franklin network 19:04.920 --> 19:11.020 and also with the Epstein network you've got pinhole cameras. And it's very easy to provide 19:11.020 --> 19:17.840 compromise on people. So the technology has changed. And it's much easier to compromise people. 19:18.960 --> 19:25.160 So what you mean these these pinhole cameras were installed in the rooms where they're 19:25.710 --> 19:36.020 yeah. And how how senior were the well the Franklin Franklin scandal first how what what 19:36.020 --> 19:42.740 level of politician are we talking about here. I think senators congressmen 19:44.190 --> 19:51.840 at least one person in the cabinet of George Herbert Walker Bush I think was a predator. 19:53.620 --> 19:59.520 Well why stop at one. I mean everything I know about George H W Bush. I mean he was involved in 20:00.400 --> 20:05.760 gun running. He was in charge of gun running pretty much with you know he'd be there at the airport 20:05.760 --> 20:14.280 ready to greet the consignments. He he was instrumental in all kinds of activities which 20:14.280 --> 20:21.960 involve terrible things happening. So he at one point was the head of the CIA. 20:24.300 --> 20:33.840 So no I I think that he did many evil things. But what I know is that I believe that at least 20:33.840 --> 20:39.500 one person in his cabinet a high ranking cabinet member was a pedophile. 20:40.600 --> 20:45.160 What can you name him. His name is Richard Thornberg. He was the attorney general. 20:46.320 --> 20:57.680 Right. So the guy in charge of the law system. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean you've got 20:58.460 --> 21:04.900 just skip skipping forward a second. You've got on the flight log on the Epstein Island flight 21:04.900 --> 21:09.860 logs. You've got people from the Supreme Court haven't you. Okay. So 21:12.840 --> 21:18.640 that I have not seen those flight logs. I mean it's rumored that there are people in 21:18.640 --> 21:25.160 your window on the Supreme Court like John Roberts. But I have not seen those particular 21:25.160 --> 21:32.300 flight logs. And with these documents you got to be very careful because some of them are 21:32.300 --> 21:37.340 disinformation and some of them are misinformation. And I've stubbed my toe a couple of times on 21:37.340 --> 21:42.760 these documents. So you got to tread very carefully when looking at a lot of these documents. 21:43.900 --> 21:50.880 Yeah. I can see that. I mean I can see well given that the organizations like the CIA 21:51.420 --> 21:57.140 are going to be in it up to the neck both in terms of actually participating in these 21:57.140 --> 22:03.140 disgusting activities and profiting by them but also in the cover up. Inevitably there's going to 22:03.140 --> 22:10.760 be lots of misinformation and disinformation out there. I totally get that. So how do you work 22:10.760 --> 22:21.180 out what's kosher and what is chaff? Well you have to investigate. You got to be very 22:21.180 --> 22:30.320 you know as I said early on I stubbed my toe on this and because I jumped on some documents 22:31.000 --> 22:34.740 it was before I realized that the documents could be problematic. 22:37.040 --> 22:42.980 So corroboration is helpful. I make phone calls. Yeah but you can't you can't just 22:42.980 --> 22:48.600 ring up I don't know Tom Cruise and say Tom hey you're on the you're on the flight log. 22:48.600 --> 22:51.260 Did you go out to St. Nicholas and James and abuse some kids? 22:52.660 --> 23:00.060 Well actually I've rung up a number of people that were involved with Epstein that are very 23:00.060 --> 23:08.260 that have high status in society. So yeah I followed up a lot of it. None of them have 23:08.260 --> 23:14.040 gone back to me although Epstein's brother didn't get back to me. His brother. Yeah. 23:15.680 --> 23:16.840 What's his name? 23:18.900 --> 23:28.020 Epstein's brother is Mark Epstein. Right. Is he a nice guy? Is he like his brother? 23:29.560 --> 23:37.100 Well there's an email where he's asking Epstein about the gynecologist that Epstein used for his 23:37.100 --> 23:43.040 court on court victims because apparently he needs a gynecologist. So I asked him about that. 23:45.640 --> 23:51.220 And he wasn't. He did return my email though. He's the only one that's returned an email. So why? 23:52.960 --> 23:58.280 Why did he return the email? Yeah I have no idea. You'd have to ask him. 23:58.980 --> 24:03.420 But I mean that's like the serial killer wanting to get court isn't it? 24:04.820 --> 24:10.120 Well he just denied it and said that he only talks about his brother's death to journalists. 24:10.120 --> 24:16.220 So I started another email. He never got back to me. 24:17.220 --> 24:21.520 You don't think Epstein's dead do you? 24:25.120 --> 24:29.760 If I had to put money on it I would say that he was dead. Yeah. Would you? 24:30.420 --> 24:34.120 Yeah. I think I'd be happy to take that bet with you. 24:36.260 --> 24:44.620 So you saw the terror and the pedophile formerly known as Prince Andrew's eyes when he was arrested. 24:46.380 --> 24:50.100 You know the picture I'm talking about? Yeah but I imagine that's the terror 24:50.100 --> 24:55.620 of a man who gets... No let me fix my thumb on it. Okay. All right. 24:56.100 --> 25:02.160 So there was a guy who thought he was above the law. 25:04.280 --> 25:07.740 And he would be unscathed by the law and he got arrested. 25:08.380 --> 25:15.260 Now if you look at the picture of Epstein when he was arrested I think his 25:15.260 --> 25:21.920 continence shows the same type of emotions about a guy who felt he was above the law 25:21.920 --> 25:23.580 that he was arrested nonetheless. 25:27.920 --> 25:38.940 Or my take on both those cases would be okay. So you're living a fabulously glitzy lifestyle 25:40.600 --> 25:48.340 private chefs and young girls on demand according to your boys, according to your taste on demand 25:48.340 --> 25:58.780 and you fly in private jets and stuff and you realise that for a period you are going to have to 25:59.360 --> 26:06.080 go through the motions of being somebody who's been apprehended by the law and going through the law. 26:07.000 --> 26:12.280 All the goodies, the taps providing the goodies are going to be turned off for a while 26:12.280 --> 26:16.560 because that's the way it is and it's all part of the charade. 26:17.180 --> 26:23.640 I just don't think that given how high level the people involved in this work and given the 26:23.640 --> 26:32.880 usefulness of Epstein to so many of the powers that be, I think his reward was to be to be 26:32.880 --> 26:38.260 scooted off and sent to a nice suburb of Tel Aviv and get his new private life. 26:39.840 --> 26:47.540 Well, that is within the realm of possibility. I don't deny that. I look at the two pimps in 26:47.540 --> 26:58.720 the Franklin scandal. The guy in Omaha was Lawrence King and the guy in Washington, 26:58.980 --> 27:07.960 D.C. was Craig Spetz and they're somewhat analogous to Maxwell and Epstein. Maxwell built a machine 27:08.700 --> 27:16.660 that scooped up little girls and Epstein flew them around, did the logistics, blackmailed people, 27:20.140 --> 27:27.900 when Craig Spetz and King got started to get a lot of media and once you get media, 27:29.020 --> 27:33.820 if you're a blackmailer, that's pretty much the end of it. You're no longer going to be 27:33.820 --> 27:39.400 useful as a blackmailer. Once people read about what you're doing, that's it. And then 27:40.190 --> 27:46.460 with Epstein, there were civil suits being launched at him and also that Miami Herald 27:47.860 --> 27:56.220 series that outed him as a predator and that was in 218 and he was arrested in 219. Now with 27:56.220 --> 28:04.060 King and Spence, the Franklin pimps, Spence did commit suicide. It's speculated that he was 28:04.060 --> 28:14.780 suicided. I do not believe that. He checked into the Boston Ritz-Carlton in a tuxedo and 28:15.620 --> 28:22.260 took an overdose of no-triptyline and he had an article next to his body about 28:22.260 --> 28:29.860 CIA agents or assets being called to testify before government bodies because he had been subpoenaed 28:30.500 --> 28:40.440 by a grand jury and I think that it was a deal was made with him that either because Craig Spence 28:40.960 --> 28:47.700 lived the high life. I mean, he lived like Epstein. He lived the high life and he was a power broker. 28:47.700 --> 28:52.120 I don't think he could have made it in jail. I just don't think he could have made it in jail 28:53.420 --> 28:58.660 and he couldn't have kept his mouth shut. So I believe that there was a deal that was made with 28:58.660 --> 29:05.480 him either you can kill yourself or we can kill you. Flipside, Maxwell and Epstein, I think Epstein 29:06.180 --> 29:12.820 had grown too fond of creature comforts and there was way too much media on him. 29:16.220 --> 29:23.400 So he had to be taken out. Now, I believe that Maxwell made a deal like Lawrence King made a deal. 29:23.620 --> 29:28.380 If you keep your mouth shut, you'll be incarcerated for a while but we'll take 29:28.380 --> 29:34.260 care of you when you get out and Lawrence King had a no-show job at a BMW dealership 29:34.840 --> 29:40.840 when he got out of prison after 10 years or 12 years and he wasn't indicted on a single 29:40.840 --> 29:47.540 kind of child abuse. He was indicted for embezzling 40 million dollars from the fray on Pratt. So I 29:47.540 --> 29:55.080 think that those two situations are pretty analogous. Right. Is he still alive? He is. 29:57.300 --> 30:04.600 Does he get any appropriate? Does he get any grief from anyone? Well, he extremely gets a lot 30:04.600 --> 30:10.440 of grief for me. He tries to unveil himself into groups that would give him access to children. 30:10.840 --> 30:16.700 And I've gotten him kicked out of three of those groups. So scale. Yeah. That's some 30:16.700 --> 30:24.120 hoodspot, isn't it? He's a predator. Yeah. I mean, they don't, a guy like that, 30:24.300 --> 30:32.060 a guy like Jeffrey Epstein, a guy like Lawrence King, they're addicted to molesting children. 30:32.320 --> 30:38.000 I mean, it's an addiction to that. And yeah, they just don't stop. 30:41.140 --> 30:45.540 What's your impression about all the kind of the, the, the clientele that came to 30:46.440 --> 30:52.720 Little St. James? I mean, are they in it because they actually like having sex with, 30:53.420 --> 30:55.640 with children? Or do you think they're doing it because 30:56.240 --> 31:01.120 everyone else is doing it and it's part of the kind of the mutual sort of mutually 31:01.120 --> 31:07.780 assured, compromise, destruction system in which they operate? Or is it, is it occultic? What? 31:09.920 --> 31:14.000 So when I was investigating the Franklin scale, I got to a black mouth photographer. 31:14.760 --> 31:18.640 That's how deep I got into that network. I got to a black mouth doctor. 31:21.160 --> 31:27.040 And there's no books about this. Well, now there is because I wrote one, but prior to that, 31:27.080 --> 31:32.680 there was no books about this. And I was trying to get my mind around it because it was so big 31:33.240 --> 31:39.600 and the coverup was so massive. And how did it work? And I posed that question to the black 31:39.600 --> 31:45.780 mouth photographer and he said, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. 31:46.340 --> 31:52.020 And it's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day. And you can have anything you want on the 31:52.020 --> 31:57.400 yacht. But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure 31:57.400 --> 32:05.460 that you drop. So there's zero incentive to get off the yacht. And actually, if you're on the 32:05.460 --> 32:13.960 yacht, you're going to experience upward mobility in your, as a politician, earning your trust. 32:14.820 --> 32:19.140 Do you know what, Nick? I think that is my favorite analogy that describes the process. 32:19.900 --> 32:22.760 That's absolutely. I think it's the best one out there. 32:23.760 --> 32:31.560 It is. It explains so much. It explains. It explains the music industry. I mean, 32:31.640 --> 32:35.440 look at P. Diddy. Have you looked into those at all? The P. Diddy parties? They must be some 32:35.440 --> 32:42.940 big time. Yes. That that was kind of the rap rap Epstein. Wasn't it really? 32:44.020 --> 32:49.860 Yeah. I mean, the fact that he only got four years was kind of mind-boggling to me. 32:51.760 --> 32:57.320 Because he was also trafficking minors for sexual purposes. 32:58.460 --> 33:07.020 Yeah. But am I not right in thinking that the equivalent of the yacht in the Diddy parties was 33:07.020 --> 33:14.120 basically if you wanted a career in music, first of all, you had to be sodomized by 33:14.120 --> 33:19.220 Diddy and about five of his associates, and then kind of you were on the yacht 33:20.120 --> 33:28.000 till the next sodomy session, probably. Well, once you're on the yacht, sometimes it isn't always 33:28.000 --> 33:33.780 smooth sailing, but you're going to have a great career and get what you want out of life. 33:34.100 --> 33:39.140 And there are a lot of people like that, that are willing to do whatever it takes 33:39.140 --> 33:44.700 for stardom because they think that they're going to receive the love that they were never 33:44.700 --> 33:51.420 given as children. I think that that is a strong motivating factor for seeking stardom. 33:52.300 --> 33:58.580 Yeah. But didn't you, I mean, I don't know how old you are, Nick. How old are you, if I may ask? 33:59.900 --> 34:04.940 That's kind of an impertinent question. Okay. I'll ask you then. I'm 60. 34:05.520 --> 34:13.140 Okay. And when I was a young man, if you'd come up to me and said, James, do you want to be, 34:13.360 --> 34:19.680 do you want to be a rock star? I thought, yeah, I'm like, I get to play with my axe on stage, 34:19.680 --> 34:26.040 and I get to be maybe Jimmy Page and have loads and loads of sex with loads and loads of girls 34:26.040 --> 34:31.840 and loads of drugs and a big house and a big house and another big house in the country. 34:32.640 --> 34:34.320 I'd have gone, yeah, what's not to lie? 34:37.180 --> 34:43.720 But now I look at that and I realize that's not, that's not the deal. Those are the good, 34:44.240 --> 34:50.660 that's the fun, the room service on the yacht and the cocktail party, but it doesn't describe the 34:50.660 --> 34:56.880 whole thing. When you make a Faustian pack, there are always clauses that are in the 34:56.880 --> 35:07.680 fine print that you don't read. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, is it your, I mean, I'm probably straying away from 35:07.680 --> 35:13.860 your field of expertise here because I know that you're the sort of person who likes verifiable 35:13.860 --> 35:22.020 facts and I'm asking you to speculate here, but do you think anyone achieves eminence in that 35:22.020 --> 35:29.080 industry without making that pact? I believe that there are some. Yeah, I do. 35:30.760 --> 35:41.100 Wow. How I, I, I've known rock stars over the years that have made it to the top because of their 35:41.100 --> 35:55.080 talent without making a Faustian pack. Global warming is a massive con. There was no evidence whatsoever 35:55.820 --> 36:02.240 that manmade climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our 36:02.240 --> 36:07.700 lifestyle in order to deal with it. It's an non-existent problem. But how do you explain 36:07.700 --> 36:15.940 this stuff to your normie friends? Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 36:15.940 --> 36:23.680 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people 36:23.680 --> 36:31.200 decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, 36:31.200 --> 36:38.320 to take away your land. It's a shocking story. I wrote it, as I say, in, well, 2011 actually, 36:38.440 --> 36:47.380 the first edition came out. And it's a snapshot of a particular era, the era when the people 36:47.380 --> 36:53.260 behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, 36:53.680 --> 37:00.060 torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate. So I give you 37:00.060 --> 37:06.200 the background to the sculled jugglery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed 37:06.200 --> 37:13.600 experts were informing us, we've got to act now. I rumbled their scan. I then asked the question, 37:13.720 --> 37:21.960 okay, if it is a scan, who's doing this and why? It's a good story. I've kept the original 37:21.960 --> 37:28.580 book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the 37:28.580 --> 37:34.940 end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought. I think it's a good, I think it still 37:34.940 --> 37:40.180 stands out. I think it's a good read. Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it. You can buy it from 37:41.120 --> 37:46.580 JamesDellingPoll.co.uk forward slash shop. You'll probably find that, like, just go to my 37:46.580 --> 37:54.080 website and look for it, JamesDellingPoll.co.uk. And I hope it helps keep you informed and 37:54.080 --> 38:00.060 gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, 38:00.180 --> 38:05.240 oh, it's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Earth. 38:05.680 --> 38:07.040 Merry day. It's a scam. 38:10.680 --> 38:21.000 Wow, how? I've known rock stars over the years that have made it to the top because of their 38:21.000 --> 38:29.740 talent without making a frosty impact. Well, not every rock star is compromised. 38:32.140 --> 38:42.700 I'm a massive fan of Johnny Cash, and part of me cannot think of Johnny Cash having taken 38:43.240 --> 38:52.220 shit from anybody. But at the same time, I know from his latter recordings that here was a man 38:52.220 --> 38:58.000 whose conscience was deeply troubled, and he knew he'd signed a pact, a terrible pact, 38:58.420 --> 39:02.200 and he kind of wanted to get out of that pact, which is why he embraced Jesus. 39:03.520 --> 39:10.900 And you see, it infuses all his songs, all his last songs made for American recordings. 39:11.380 --> 39:16.400 So even Johnny Cash, who strikes me as a man who had considerable integrity, 39:16.980 --> 39:18.820 had clearly done some terrible shit. 39:21.200 --> 39:28.220 Yeah, I mean, he had a problem with drugs and alcohol, and that type of lifestyle is going to 39:28.980 --> 39:33.680 cause, you're going to engage in behaviors that you otherwise wouldn't engage in. 39:36.300 --> 39:43.540 Yeah. The point I was sort of hinting at earlier was that you are, you strike me 39:43.540 --> 39:47.840 as an investigative journalist of the old school. You're the kind of investigative 39:47.840 --> 39:53.400 reporter they don't make anymore. You said yourself, you actually got on the phone 39:53.400 --> 39:58.200 and rang up the people on the Epstein list, even though you kind of knew they weren't going, 39:58.740 --> 40:05.920 but that's the kind of reporter you are. Whereas I'm coming at this stuff from a completely the 40:05.920 --> 40:10.800 other end in that I was a mainstream media journalist, not an investigative reporter, 40:11.320 --> 40:15.720 and then I went down the rabbit hole for various reasons about five or six years ago. 40:17.020 --> 40:23.700 And I went on the Fast Track program, so I've spent a lot of time diving into all sorts of 40:23.700 --> 40:32.960 crazy places. And up to and including talking to people involved in ritual Satanism and 40:34.060 --> 40:41.460 Mothers of Darkness, MK Ultra, Monarch Victims, Assassins and so on. 40:42.560 --> 40:52.380 And it seems to me, looking at the Epstein files that the idea that this was a sort of 40:52.380 --> 40:59.560 Compromat network trading underage girls for politicians and celebrities, 41:00.660 --> 41:06.480 that's just the tip of the iceberg. You get hints of this in the various 41:07.100 --> 41:10.420 documents which have been revealed to us, even though they've been redacted. 41:11.220 --> 41:18.880 The stuff, for example, about jerky. I mean, you don't surely think that that is just 41:18.880 --> 41:23.140 CIA disinfo. This is real, right? 41:24.760 --> 41:33.600 I don't know. I've concluded Muffins are Freud. His thing was phallic symbols. And someone asked 41:33.600 --> 41:39.940 Freud, don't you think cigars are phallic symbols? And he said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. 41:41.380 --> 41:45.120 And Freud is one of them. Freud was heavily compromised by the system. 41:45.120 --> 41:53.020 So I think that in this case, a muffin is just a muffin. And a steak is just a steak. 41:53.320 --> 42:00.700 I've got a PowerPoint in which I show people the various emails, how I conclude that. 42:01.360 --> 42:08.080 Now, I don't, I think pizza is a code word. And I hate to be even 42:09.340 --> 42:14.660 minutely affiliated with Pizzagate because that spawned a lot of insanity. But 42:15.360 --> 42:24.360 there's a lot of talk about pizza with some very unsavory characters. So I haven't really 42:24.360 --> 42:31.500 gotten into jerky yet. I've been focused on other parts of emails. So I haven't looked at jerky 42:31.500 --> 42:36.920 yet. I think you wouldn't want to get into Pizzagate for the same reason you don't want to 42:37.560 --> 42:43.960 start doing investigative stories about the Clintons because it doesn't seem to have a 42:44.620 --> 42:48.480 happy ending for people who get involved in that kind of thing. I mean, wasn't that why 42:48.480 --> 42:57.200 Andrew Breitbart got suicide or got heart attacked? I don't know. And when I started 42:57.200 --> 43:06.080 investigating this realm with the first death threat, I knew that there was a possibility 43:06.080 --> 43:15.020 that these investigations could lead to my demise. But I was cool with it. If I'm going to get killed 43:15.020 --> 43:27.200 doing this, trying to expose child molestation, I'm cool with that. I don't have a problem with it. 43:28.600 --> 43:34.520 If I got killed because I was blackmailing someone or I committed some kind of crime, 43:34.520 --> 43:43.300 I wouldn't be cool with that. But with this, and how I've been able to keep my sanity over the years 43:43.300 --> 43:48.660 are one of the major reasons why I've been able to... I know what I'm doing with this is absolutely right. 43:50.520 --> 43:56.440 And very seldom in life do you know it's absolutely right. You know you shouldn't 43:56.440 --> 44:00.760 steal. You know you shouldn't lie. You know you shouldn't commit adultery. 44:02.120 --> 44:08.660 You generally know what you shouldn't do. But very seldom in life do you know exactly what you should do. 44:10.360 --> 44:16.960 I had sushi last night for dinner. Was that the absolute right thing to do? I don't know. 44:17.520 --> 44:23.900 But this is the absolute right thing to do. So that's given me a lot of Alice. 44:26.320 --> 44:30.640 I suppose your mercury levels will have increased as a result of the sushi. 44:32.020 --> 44:34.840 Well actually I'm pretty healthy for a guy my age. 44:36.880 --> 44:41.840 By the way, can I retract my rude question? It was only... 44:45.120 --> 44:48.760 You're looking good, Nick. However old you are. 44:49.400 --> 44:53.460 Yeah, I mean do you... Because obviously I've had to think about this as well. 44:55.240 --> 45:00.380 My sister said to me... My sister was down the rabbit hole way before I was. 45:00.940 --> 45:05.300 And said to me, Jay, I really don't want you to start 45:06.780 --> 45:09.460 satisfying your curiosity because it's going to get you killed. 45:11.160 --> 45:15.060 And so I had that same... Oh, what am I getting into here? 45:16.660 --> 45:23.920 But do you believe in the afterlife? I do. I don't think that this is the only dancer is. 45:25.560 --> 45:30.200 Absolutely. And actually I was in the Epstein files myself. 45:32.240 --> 45:37.000 When I was calling... When I got Epstein's black book I started calling his inner circle. 45:37.780 --> 45:42.400 And only one person picked up it was Sarah Kellan who is a nasty piece of work, one of the 45:42.400 --> 45:51.280 henchwomen that led hundreds of girls to the slaughter. And she told me that the media had 45:51.280 --> 45:58.360 always been mean to her. And I thought that that was somewhat comedic. She wanted me to commiserate 45:58.360 --> 46:04.400 with her and I was unwilling to do that. But then there was an email sent from... 46:04.400 --> 46:08.660 We don't know because that was redacted. Sent to Epstein's entire inner circle 46:09.360 --> 46:14.020 talking about a journalist named Nick Bryant that's down here asking questions and to be 46:14.020 --> 46:18.420 aware of them. And they even had my picture on the email. 46:21.720 --> 46:27.880 So they were very much aware of me when I started to investigate Epstein's story. 46:28.560 --> 46:33.440 And I could tell Epstein was very angry when I published the black book if you look at the 46:33.440 --> 46:41.720 emails. Ghislaine Maxwell told him that we'd published the black book. And you can tell 46:41.720 --> 46:45.980 that Epstein wasn't cool with it because of a later email with Peter Thiel. So 46:46.740 --> 46:51.880 Peter Thiel was trying to sue Glocker and Oblivion and Epstein said he'd share the expanses. 46:53.660 --> 47:04.120 Yeah, I mean I'm obviously not shocked to hear this now about Peter Thiel. 47:04.120 --> 47:11.640 But there was a time when I thought, okay, so Zuckerberg is obviously a wrong man and 47:12.960 --> 47:18.180 whoever the other... Yeah, I mean Bill Gates is obviously wrong. And I thought Peter Thiel was 47:18.180 --> 47:22.220 somehow... Because doesn't he sort of flirt with pretending to be a Christian or something? 47:24.900 --> 47:29.980 Peter Thiel is probably... He's one of the worst of them all. 47:30.420 --> 47:30.720 Is he? 47:33.780 --> 47:37.040 Tell me more. I mean, he's palantir, isn't he? 47:37.760 --> 47:42.440 Yeah. Which is, okay, QED. But anything else you can tell me about him? 47:46.660 --> 47:54.140 Well, Google Peter Thiel and there's a lot of information about him out there. I don't 47:54.140 --> 47:58.480 want to get into it, but I'll let your audience make their own conclusions. 47:59.580 --> 48:03.500 I'd be willing Peter Thiel and young Matt and our young boys. 48:03.860 --> 48:12.740 Oh, right. Yes, of course, young men, young boys. Bill Gates, I was grossed out to learn, 48:13.480 --> 48:22.060 named his yacht after some sort of part of the female anatomy, some sort of horrible 48:22.620 --> 48:27.400 pun or something, gory something. Do you know about this one? 48:28.160 --> 48:28.840 Bill Gates? No. 48:29.840 --> 48:37.440 Yeah. Well, it's been very heavily... They're very good at scrubbing the internet, but the name of Bill 48:37.440 --> 48:44.960 Bill Gates' yacht is some grotesque pun on the female anatomy. It begins gory, but I can't 48:44.960 --> 48:49.540 remember... I can't remember what because I haven't come across this word before. I mean, 48:49.540 --> 48:59.460 some of the incidental detail is, when you said earlier on, you said when you were first releasing 48:59.460 --> 49:12.220 this stuff, when was it? Well, I got it. I got the Black Book in 2011, and I got the Flight Logs 49:12.220 --> 49:20.140 in 2014, but nobody wanted to touch it in the mainstream media who I pitched it to, 49:20.320 --> 49:27.060 and ultimately, Glocker published it in 2015. And got shut down for the punishment? 49:27.980 --> 49:31.700 Well, they were sued into oblivion for something completely different. 49:31.860 --> 49:39.520 Yes, exactly. But we know. And the person financing that lawsuit was Peter Thiel. 49:40.300 --> 49:48.040 Peter Thiel put an open contract out on Glocker because Glocker outed him as gay, and he wanted 49:48.040 --> 49:56.560 vengeance. On the subject of the little Black Book, because one of my old friends is in it, 49:58.320 --> 50:03.720 it's presumably, I mean, loads of people, completely innocent could be in the Black Book. 50:03.720 --> 50:10.620 Yes. How did you get hold of it? An attorney for one of the victims gave it to me. 50:11.680 --> 50:17.420 Well, you had the physical book in your hand. Well, I had a copy of the physical book. 50:18.080 --> 50:20.680 Well, you had sort of photocopies kind of thing. Yeah. 50:21.600 --> 50:27.740 Right, right. Okay. So, I mean, apart from being able to say you were the first to grab 50:27.740 --> 50:32.780 this Black Book, and how significant or not significant is it in the scheme of things? 50:34.220 --> 50:38.180 In our understanding of Epstein, I think there's been three quantum leaps. 50:39.300 --> 50:43.940 I think the first quantum leap was me pulling up the Black Book and the flight logs. 50:44.900 --> 50:49.360 I think the second quantum leap was Julie Bronze Articles and the Miami Herald. 50:50.080 --> 50:54.840 And I think the third quantum leap is the tranche of emails that have just been released. 50:55.360 --> 51:01.060 So, I do believe that me putting the Black Book and flight logs up was the first 51:01.060 --> 51:03.620 quantum leap in our understanding of Jeffrey Epstein. 51:04.820 --> 51:08.600 And do you think it would have been possible to go on the private jet to 51:08.600 --> 51:15.780 Little St. James and be pure as driven snow and you go out there just to have a nice holiday 51:15.780 --> 51:20.900 in the sun with no underage boys or girls to have sex with? 51:21.520 --> 51:25.000 Well, everyone who has gone to Little St. James has said that. 51:25.000 --> 51:28.000 So, it must be true. 51:30.020 --> 51:31.360 Are you having fun? 51:32.360 --> 51:38.620 I just can't buy it somehow. I just can't imagine. You couldn't sort of accidentally go 51:38.620 --> 51:43.240 to Little St. James thinking that Jeffrey Epstein was just a kind of 51:43.800 --> 51:48.380 unusually generous host. You had to know what the deal was, surely? 51:50.280 --> 51:56.200 I don't think that you would have to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein very long to really understand 51:56.200 --> 52:03.820 what exactly he was. He was a pedophilic pimp and he wore it on his sleeve. 52:05.260 --> 52:07.440 He didn't have a problem with it. He had no 52:09.060 --> 52:13.380 moral compunction whatsoever about being a pedophilic pimp and a child molester. 52:13.560 --> 52:16.220 He had no compunction. Have you met him? 52:16.730 --> 52:18.000 He was a straight-up psychopath. 52:19.280 --> 52:20.440 Have you met him? 52:21.780 --> 52:21.960 Yeah. 52:24.640 --> 52:30.160 I listened to the first time today, the first time the other day, 52:31.220 --> 52:35.340 some recordings of him actually speaking. There was an interview that Steve Bannon did with him. 52:35.620 --> 52:42.440 And he didn't sound at all like I would expect Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, to sound. 52:42.440 --> 52:46.700 And I think for most of us, our experience of Jeffrey Epstein has been 52:46.700 --> 52:51.400 photographs of that sort of annoying. There's something really annoying about his face. 52:52.740 --> 52:57.580 He seems sort of quite conventionally good-looking, but there's something about his 52:57.580 --> 53:03.320 expressions which are just like they creep you out slightly. 53:05.000 --> 53:13.120 Well, I mean, the guy was a psychopath and it's kind of hard to hide that sometimes. 53:13.820 --> 53:17.920 Sometimes a lot of times psychopaths can, but a lot of times things 53:17.920 --> 53:21.300 eke out of their personality or things that they say. 53:22.460 --> 53:25.520 But psychopaths can often be very charming, can't they? 53:26.200 --> 53:26.700 Definitely. 53:27.400 --> 53:29.120 And is that the case with Epstein? 53:29.620 --> 53:30.960 I believe so, yeah. 53:31.680 --> 53:37.580 Right. So all those kind of intimate emails shared between Peter Mandelson and Epstein. 53:37.760 --> 53:40.780 I mean, Mandelson seems half in love with Epstein. 53:44.580 --> 53:49.300 Yes. Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein were very, very close, one can tell. 53:49.660 --> 53:53.200 I think that they shared various predilections together. 53:55.420 --> 54:03.780 And it's unfortunate that Mandelson has only been arrested for giving Epstein insider financial 54:03.780 --> 54:06.840 information because he should be arrested for some other things, too. 54:08.480 --> 54:14.440 Well, yeah. I mean, Epstein was girls. Mandelson obviously would have been boys, 54:15.000 --> 54:15.720 for preference. 54:18.760 --> 54:25.640 Who do you think was running Epstein? 54:26.740 --> 54:28.760 And yeah, who was running him? 54:30.460 --> 54:37.340 I think that there's a dark malignant corner of intelligence, U.S. intelligence and Israeli 54:37.340 --> 54:40.500 intelligence that does this type of thing, compromises people. 54:40.500 --> 54:43.780 I don't see how people can really debate me on that. 54:44.100 --> 54:48.180 And people think that Epstein was exclusively Mossad. 54:48.380 --> 54:56.460 There's been a number of emails between Ahud Barak and Epstein in which they're setting up arms 54:56.460 --> 55:09.120 deals by going to people that run armaments factories or companies in Israel and elsewhere 55:09.120 --> 55:12.540 who have also been high ranking Israeli intelligence. 55:14.180 --> 55:20.040 And Ahud Barak was head of Israeli intelligence, domestic intelligence. 55:20.380 --> 55:20.980 What's in that? 55:22.820 --> 55:28.340 Yeah. So with, as you'll say to me, it was at the Mossad. 55:29.100 --> 55:35.680 And I invariably respond, Epstein very well could have been working with the Mossad. 55:36.120 --> 55:44.240 But I find it hard to believe that the CIA would let the Mossad compromise American politicians 55:44.240 --> 55:48.520 on American soil and not get a cut of that intelligence. 55:49.420 --> 55:56.580 I think, I look at the Gambino, I look at the CIA and the Mossad, they're like the 55:56.580 --> 56:00.560 Gambino and Genovese crime families. They were together. 56:01.120 --> 56:04.320 Yeah. And under my six, presumably, also. 56:04.320 --> 56:05.300 Yeah. Yes. 56:07.420 --> 56:09.000 So they would be the Luchesi. 56:12.080 --> 56:16.120 Luchesi, Colombo or Bonanno, one of the three. 56:16.420 --> 56:20.280 Isn't that good that we've all got our own countries have their 56:20.280 --> 56:22.480 intelligence services that we can be truly proud of? 56:23.620 --> 56:29.980 Right. Yeah, yeah. I get that. But in terms of the money, I've heard 56:30.700 --> 56:38.460 Les Wexner. And then, of course, in the emails, Epstein says, I'm representative of the Rothschilds. 56:40.680 --> 56:45.180 So is, I mean, Les Wexner is not a nice guy, is he? 56:46.200 --> 56:53.540 No. He's a nasty piece of work. And he lied before the oversight committee a couple of weeks 56:53.540 --> 56:56.720 ago. He should be indicted for perjury before Congress. 56:57.420 --> 56:58.600 What did he lie on? 56:59.400 --> 57:03.380 He said that the last communication he had with Jeffrey Epstein was 2006, 57:03.720 --> 57:11.700 when there's emails from 2008. And also, Jeffrey Epstein gave him $56 million in 2011. 57:12.440 --> 57:17.720 So obviously, they were dealing with each other after 2006. And he should be indicted for that. 57:19.120 --> 57:21.480 $56 million. Yes. 57:21.960 --> 57:24.640 At this point, it's an oversight. It's small change to these people. 57:25.580 --> 57:33.900 So, he lied before Congress, and that's a five-year and or $250,000 fund. 57:34.560 --> 57:45.660 But, Nick, I was going to ask you this. Isn't one of the purposes of this Epstein 57:47.040 --> 57:57.280 document mass release, isn't the true purpose of it to make us so dispirited with the system 57:57.820 --> 58:01.980 that we don't know where to turn? So we're kind of planet struck by this information. 58:02.320 --> 58:06.160 We've got everything. Well, you're not convinced by the beef jerky thing, 58:06.340 --> 58:08.300 where I probably more am. But you've got- 58:08.300 --> 58:09.940 I haven't looked into it yet. 58:10.660 --> 58:17.060 Right. Okay. But anyone looking at this stuff is going to be saying, 58:17.740 --> 58:22.940 these people are above the law. There is no justice because all the judges are in on it. 58:23.280 --> 58:27.840 And the cops, as you demonstrated way back in Franklin, are in on it. 58:28.380 --> 58:35.320 The politicians are all compromised. What hope is there for any of us? 58:36.500 --> 58:45.620 We started an organization called Epstein Justice. It's a 501C3, and I urge your audience to go to 58:45.620 --> 58:52.100 EpsteinJustice.com. And what we're lobbying for is an independent congressional commission. 58:53.420 --> 58:57.400 An independent congressional commission does not require the signature of the president. 58:58.000 --> 59:03.380 It does require a majority in the House and a Senate. And independent congressional 59:03.380 --> 59:09.780 commissions often incorporate non-government personnel to carry out investigations. 59:10.840 --> 59:17.620 And that's the only way we're going to get truth here, is if we have non-government personnel 59:18.240 --> 59:24.560 as part of the investigation. And that's what Epstein Justice is lobbying for. And 59:26.120 --> 59:30.560 I would suggest that your audience check us out at EpsteinJustice.com. 59:31.740 --> 59:35.240 I think it's a noble cause, but I'm thinking, I can't remember, actually, 59:35.340 --> 59:41.880 there's, I think there's two of the Psalms where God looks to find some good men on earth. 59:42.420 --> 59:48.880 And it says, no, not one. And I mean, you discovered way back in the Franklin scandal, 59:50.020 --> 59:55.760 if they're getting congressmen, if they're compromised, if they're on the kind of the 59:55.760 --> 01:00:05.060 proto-Epstein love boat. How are you going to find people that are not tainted? Because it seems to 01:00:05.060 --> 01:00:15.220 be everywhere. We have started Facebook groups by state. And we are building a critical mass 01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:23.240 to put as much pressure on those representatives and federal legislators as possible. 01:00:23.770 --> 01:00:31.740 And as we get more, we can start putting pressure on more and more and more. And actually, we supported 01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:40.560 a Epstein protest in Sacramento, California over the weekend. So we are a grassroots movement. 01:00:40.700 --> 01:00:47.600 There are no billionaires helping us. There are no millionaires helping us. But I think that 01:00:47.600 --> 01:00:55.800 Americans really want the right thing with this case. And there are three 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:05.760 trends that are, that hurt Americans right now, as far as getting at the truth. Americans are 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:11.660 heavily polarized between right and left. That's a function of our media and our government. 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.500 People on the left think people on the right are mentally ill, people on the 01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:19.420 right think people on the left are mentally ill. So Americans have been divided and conquered. 01:01:21.100 --> 01:01:31.700 And the second trend is Americans have been conditioned to think that they cannot affect change. 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:37.900 That their government is just a runaway juggernaut and they can't do anything about it. 01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:44.300 And I think the third trend is, many of our legislators are blackmailed. But we can 01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:52.120 take back the first two trends. Because if anything is going to unite the right and the left, 01:01:52.660 --> 01:01:55.480 it's going to be the government covering up child trafficking, 01:01:55.720 --> 01:02:00.220 eating and betting child trafficking. If anything is going to mobilize people, 01:02:00.680 --> 01:02:03.200 it's going to be the government eating and betting child trafficking. 01:02:04.640 --> 01:02:14.180 Yeah. But we get these sort of drip releases. Don't we? There was that movie that came out 01:02:14.180 --> 01:02:21.600 a couple of years ago about child trafficking. And I don't know whether you looked into it, 01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:25.760 but there was something slightly dodgy about this film that it wasn't... 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.780 Are you attracting sound of freedom? 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:30.080 Yeah, yeah. 01:02:33.300 --> 01:02:40.760 It was a good film about trafficking. Unfortunately, Tim Baller, who the film was about, is... 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.140 He's not a very good guy. 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.120 Very tactfully put. I was waiting for you to say something a bit stronger. 01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:58.100 But yeah, that was kind of what I... So what I mean is you're familiar with the concept 01:02:58.100 --> 01:02:59.440 of flooding the zone, aren't you? 01:03:00.100 --> 01:03:00.460 Yes. 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:03.840 Isn't that slightly what's been going on? 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.200 So I'm very familiar with flooding the zone. 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:07.460 You what, so I said that again? 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:09.100 I played college football. 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.100 Oh, football. So I'm very familiar with flooding the zone. 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:20.560 Sorry. I don't know anything about football, either English soccer or American football. 01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:27.000 So maybe you can just... I'm only familiar with the kind of the CIA use of that phrase. 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.260 What does it mean in football? 01:03:30.220 --> 01:03:37.280 In football, it means putting more office of players in an area than there are defense players. 01:03:37.780 --> 01:03:38.840 Oh, okay. Yeah. 01:03:39.620 --> 01:03:45.860 And in metaphorical terms, it's usage in intelligence circles. 01:03:46.120 --> 01:03:48.080 How would you describe how it works? 01:03:50.140 --> 01:03:57.160 Well, right now, we've got the surfeit of documents, $3 million or $3.5 million. 01:03:57.340 --> 01:03:58.340 There's a lot of redactions. 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.800 And people that should be lobbying for justice are going down rabbit holes. 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:13.200 And I see that longtime activists who I would think would really want to help 01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:15.340 have seen justice would rather go down rabbit holes. 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:17.380 And that's unfortunate. 01:04:18.180 --> 01:04:26.340 And that's what happens when the zone gets flooded is people opt to go down rabbit holes 01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:28.200 than to describe for justice. 01:04:29.580 --> 01:04:37.020 So if I understand you, the CIA and all the kind of the Mossad and all the bad, 01:04:37.020 --> 01:04:43.880 the cabal, the elites, they kind of really want people like me to be getting excited about beef 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:52.760 jerky or about satanic stuff because it it distracts our attention away from the kind of the 01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:56.120 more basic stuff of bringing these people to justice. 01:04:56.600 --> 01:04:57.060 Yes. 01:04:58.180 --> 01:05:00.120 Yeah. Yeah. 01:05:00.740 --> 01:05:07.340 But I suppose I suppose in the defense of kind of tinfoil hat lunatics like myself, 01:05:10.180 --> 01:05:13.000 there is there isn't even even bigger picture. 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:18.880 I mean, for example, can I ask you about the Ross Childs who I can't imagine 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.360 you're going to be approaching to support your campaign? 01:05:25.120 --> 01:05:27.420 They're not going to I mean, they could afford it. 01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:30.940 But I just if you ask them, I don't think they're going to give you any money, are they? 01:05:32.040 --> 01:05:38.960 I wouldn't have to say that there would be a low probability of getting money from the 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:39.420 rock. Yeah. 01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:43.760 But it'd be quite it'd be quite game of them if they did. 01:05:45.640 --> 01:05:49.160 I mean, OK, we've less waxed now. 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.040 The guy who went what were his clothing companies? 01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:59.020 The one Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie Fitch, Abercrombie and Fitch. 01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:02.320 You see, I'm I'm young enough or old enough to remember 01:06:03.700 --> 01:06:08.160 when when Abercrombie and Fitch invaded the UK. 01:06:08.940 --> 01:06:15.120 And it was the my children were just the right age to want to go and buy Abercrombie and Fitch 01:06:15.120 --> 01:06:19.760 clothes. And everyone wanted to get a job as one of their kind of the young men that they 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.420 had selling clothes in their shops. And they have sort of posing and pouting and stuff. 01:06:25.040 --> 01:06:30.360 It's it's really interesting to know that the guy behind that outfit and Victoria's Secret was this 01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:36.460 gangster, basically, wasn't he, the kind of Jewish mafia, I suppose. 01:06:37.660 --> 01:06:39.720 Search up with the Italian mafia. 01:06:40.580 --> 01:06:45.480 There seems to be a sort of crime ink was the Jewish mafia and the Italian mafia, right? 01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:50.840 There's been an overlap, for sure, over the year. 01:06:51.380 --> 01:06:56.600 But OK, so I don't I don't whether this is this is an area of interest to you or not. 01:06:56.720 --> 01:07:08.280 But I I've noticed in the Epstein releases that there's a lot of stuff about Epstein himself 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:12.560 is very dismissive about the Goyim. There are all sorts of disparaging reference to the Goy. 01:07:12.980 --> 01:07:15.320 And then you've got the stuff about the Rothschilds, basically. 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.600 Him being representing the Rothschilds. 01:07:20.220 --> 01:07:28.720 There seems to be seems to be a thing going on in America, particularly where people are noticing 01:07:30.640 --> 01:07:37.340 anti anti let's call it anti Goyim activity by by the Jewish power structure. 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:43.400 And I was wondering whether you thought that this was a deliberate part of the operation. 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:48.700 It seems to me that if you look at it in sort of grand conspiracy terms, 01:07:49.560 --> 01:07:55.440 one of the requirements for Armageddon is that the world turns against Israel. 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:57.860 So that because that's where Armageddon is going to happen. 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:06.040 Am I imagining this or is there a kind of an increasing amount of noticing going on in 01:08:06.040 --> 01:08:12.540 America about Jewish influence, Jewish cynicism towards Goy's? 01:08:15.220 --> 01:08:19.280 America overall is very pro-Jewish or pro-Ado. 01:08:19.280 --> 01:08:22.940 It has been up until now. I'm just wondering whether the climate is changing slightly. 01:08:23.340 --> 01:08:28.340 This is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism also in America that's been there a long time. 01:08:29.500 --> 01:08:36.340 But as far as delineating Gog and Magog, I don't know where would even begin to start there. 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:42.400 Right. That's what I'm I'm always looking for the 01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:49.820 look. I'm of the view and I suspect you probably share this up to a point that 01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:56.680 the media is a lie machine. I mean, good writers like yourself get in by accident rather than 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:01.580 they don't really want good people doing doing good stuff. 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:09.300 I imagine that your your your mainstream career pretty much died when you started exposing stuff 01:09:09.300 --> 01:09:19.580 like Franklin. So what I'm suggesting is the fact that all the Epstein files are now in the 01:09:19.580 --> 01:09:27.780 public domain in the kind of crappy newspapers that that ordinary people read suggests to me 01:09:27.780 --> 01:09:33.000 that on some level this is shit that they want to come out. This is a other controlled release 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.880 or flooding the zone or whatever. It's another stage in their plan. Would you agree with that? 01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:46.200 Well, the Trump administration fought very, very, very, very hard to ensure that no 01:09:46.200 --> 01:09:52.660 documents came out. And when the Trump administration realized it was going to lose 01:09:54.440 --> 01:10:00.160 then all the Republicans voted for except for one in the House and all for the Senate. 01:10:01.900 --> 01:10:10.460 And then the tranche of documents came out. Unfortunately, the Trump administration 01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:18.700 isn't living up to the letter of the law because the Epstein transparency act is a law. 01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:23.320 It's going to be a law in 10 years. It's going to be a law in 15 years 01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:30.180 unless it gets retracted. So the Trump administration has been breaking the law 01:10:31.060 --> 01:10:34.760 with its release of these Epstein documents. 01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:39.340 That how has it been breaking the law? 01:10:40.320 --> 01:10:43.280 Because there needs to be a lot more documents released. 01:10:44.460 --> 01:10:46.080 On redaction, I imagine. 01:10:46.440 --> 01:10:49.360 There needs to be a lot less redaction. Sure. Yeah. 01:10:50.340 --> 01:10:55.160 You say that they fought it hard, but they realized they couldn't stop it happening. 01:10:55.540 --> 01:11:01.220 What who were the good guys in this then who who who who who ensured that justice was done? 01:11:02.180 --> 01:11:12.040 Thomas Massey of Kentucky and Ro Khanna of California were the spearhead of this. 01:11:13.400 --> 01:11:16.820 Right. And those two refused to back down. They're great guys. 01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:19.560 And by the way, they support Epstein justice too. 01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:22.340 Right. Okay. 01:11:22.340 --> 01:11:23.940 A 501 C3. 01:11:26.260 --> 01:11:31.060 So you reckon it was going to be, had it not been for them, 01:11:32.040 --> 01:11:35.700 Trump would have been able to keep this stuff under wraps? 01:11:36.460 --> 01:11:37.240 I believe so. 01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:42.640 How how implicated is Trump in this in this stuff? 01:11:45.700 --> 01:11:48.800 Well, his name has come up a number of times. 01:11:52.340 --> 01:11:59.100 But again, there's no Department of Justice or FBI investigation into any of this. 01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:02.740 The department of justice. No, will it be surely. 01:12:03.620 --> 01:12:10.080 The Department of Justice and the FBI have said that Epstein and Maxwell have no co-conspirators. 01:12:10.220 --> 01:12:12.780 And everybody knows that's a lie. 01:12:13.500 --> 01:12:18.200 Yeah. And they're going to that's why we need an independent congressional commission. 01:12:20.480 --> 01:12:24.240 Right. I mean, look, 01:12:26.020 --> 01:12:37.020 as I understand it, the the CIA is a gun running organization, the drug trafficking 01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:43.740 organization. That's that's how it gets it. It's it's it's black budget, basically. 01:12:44.380 --> 01:12:48.540 And it doesn't work for the US taxpayer. It works for the shadowy forces that 01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:52.320 I call them the cabal or the rulers of the darkness of this world. 01:12:53.320 --> 01:12:56.820 I'm assuming that the FBI is just as compromised in its way. 01:12:59.020 --> 01:13:05.900 Yes. But I'll say this. There are good people at the CIA and there are good people in the FBI. 01:13:06.440 --> 01:13:07.980 How do they not get killed? 01:13:09.780 --> 01:13:11.900 I would I was given 01:13:15.820 --> 01:13:18.940 information for the Franklin scandal by a couple of feds. 01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:26.320 That if they've been busted, giving me that information, they surely would have been fired. 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:31.200 But they saw what after doing was noble, plus I had some information that they wanted. 01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:40.320 So they gave me really good information that I wouldn't have been able to get any other way. 01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:45.000 And that shows that there are good people in both these organizations. 01:13:45.400 --> 01:13:48.940 But the thing is, they're both tainted at the top. 01:13:50.580 --> 01:13:57.300 With Kashpatel, with the FBI and Pam Bondi with the DOJ, they are very tainted people. 01:13:57.300 --> 01:14:02.400 They are here to cover up Epstein. They are nasty, vicious 01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:12.040 people. Yes. Which tells you all you need to know about the level of the extent to which 01:14:12.040 --> 01:14:20.520 this corruption has penetrated the system. And that would surely suggest that Trump is part of that. 01:14:22.020 --> 01:14:25.700 Well, it's been the Trump administration that's fought this the whole way. 01:14:25.700 --> 01:14:33.040 And Pam Bondi and Kashpatel are getting their marching orders from Trump. So, 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:40.300 yes. But that's a reasonable surmise. I'll tell you what, slightly 01:14:41.620 --> 01:14:46.380 worries me about the whole. I've got to take off that in a few, okay? 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:53.560 Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you not think there's, to some degree, 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:59.480 it's a damage limitation exercise? So, as I understand it, the sort of, 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:04.820 if you asked a sort of ordinary member of the public, despite all this documently, 01:15:05.060 --> 01:15:11.900 what their take home from this is, they'd say, yeah, well, Prince Andrew slept with that 17-year-old 01:15:11.900 --> 01:15:19.820 girl. And yes, Epstein was clearly trafficking young girls for exploitation by these famous people. 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:25.320 But at the same time, you've got, you've got a frazzled rib. 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:34.060 Like, way worse things happen, where you've got Hillary Clinton tearing off the face of a child 01:15:34.060 --> 01:15:39.340 that's just about being slaughtered and putting it on her face. Do you know what I mean? 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:43.620 I don't need to say that definitively. I don't know who it is. 01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:52.200 That's the reporter in you, whereas I'm a kind of conspiracy nutcase. But I think I'm right. 01:15:53.500 --> 01:16:00.100 In a way, if we keep this stuff in the realm of responsible reporting, which is basically what 01:16:00.100 --> 01:16:05.760 you do, we're in danger of letting the really, really, really bad stuff off the hook. 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:11.780 There's really, really bad stuff that I've reported on that's horrific. 01:16:12.980 --> 01:16:23.340 That's corroborated. So, or the email that I'm showing, like, there was the billionaire from 01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:31.800 United Arab Emirates that sent Epstein a video. And Epstein wrote back, I loved the torture video. 01:16:32.400 --> 01:16:36.220 There are definitive examples like that. 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.720 But that guy's never going to be indicted, the Arab shake. 01:16:40.280 --> 01:16:45.920 Well, he lost his job, but yeah. But it shows how evil these people are. 01:16:46.320 --> 01:16:46.560 Okay. 01:16:46.700 --> 01:16:49.720 That email shows how evil these people are. 01:16:50.700 --> 01:16:56.480 But do you think any, I mean, do you, in your heart of hearts, do you think any big names are 01:16:56.480 --> 01:17:00.540 going to, heads are going to roll over this ever? 01:17:01.420 --> 01:17:06.720 Well, a lot of big names have come out, including Les Wexner as perpetrators. 01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:07.500 So. 01:17:07.940 --> 01:17:10.320 But he, but he purged himself and got away with it. 01:17:11.400 --> 01:17:16.300 It's up to us as Americans. Really. It's up to us as Americans. 01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:19.980 Whether or not we're going to let our government get away with this. 01:17:20.820 --> 01:17:26.140 Thank you. You've got to go, Nick. Thank you. Tell me, tell us where we can find your staff, 01:17:26.280 --> 01:17:26.980 where we can read you. 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:34.440 I would suggest to go to Epsteinjustice.com. If you're interested in any of my books, 01:17:34.440 --> 01:17:41.440 you can go to nickbrinenyc.com. But please go to Epsteinjustice.com and we need donations. 01:17:42.020 --> 01:17:46.760 So, and I realize your audience is from the UK, but we still need donations. So 01:17:48.040 --> 01:17:50.060 that's where you can find us. 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.740 Great. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of your New York day. 01:17:55.360 --> 01:17:56.200 Okay. Thank you. 01:17:56.580 --> 01:17:59.080 Thanks a lot. Are you