WEBVTT 00:00.300 --> 00:07.900 My friendship with Nick Rockefeller was one where we expressed ideas to each other and thoughts and philosophies 00:07.900 --> 00:14.740 and he wanted me to become part of what they were doing and for me to become a member of the CFR and 00:16.140 --> 00:21.260 offered various business opportunities for me to get involved in and for me to 00:22.120 --> 00:25.780 Not take up the fight or the battle that I've been taking up in the past 00:25.780 --> 00:30.100 You know to drop that idea because what was the point of my fighting for the people? 00:30.540 --> 00:33.300 I was a guy who was very successful in the movie business and 00:34.160 --> 00:38.220 I saw the truth of what was happening. I try to express it to the people and 00:38.800 --> 00:40.620 Rather than having me express it to the people 00:40.620 --> 00:46.040 They wanted me to join this side because I was a mover and a shaker and rather than me opposing them to join them 00:46.040 --> 00:47.740 it was real simple and 00:48.520 --> 00:51.860 he tried to recruit me into that situation and I 00:52.640 --> 00:56.020 Didn't go for it. Did he get angry when he didn't go for it? No. No, and 00:56.920 --> 00:59.760 You know it's like, you know, I remember one time he said to me 00:59.760 --> 01:01.120 You join us yet 01:01.120 --> 01:05.820 so you have an ID card air and you know, you have a chip and your chip will say KMA on it and 01:06.700 --> 01:13.020 So what does KMA mean? He said means kiss my ass and anybody stops you a cop or whatever and you show them your car 01:13.020 --> 01:14.440 or your chip and 01:14.980 --> 01:17.460 They'll not leave you alone because you one of us 01:19.180 --> 01:24.360 Welcome back friends. Welcome back to another edition of questions for Corbett. I'm your host as always James Corbett of Corbett report 01:24.360 --> 01:26.520 Com coming to you in March of 01:27.160 --> 01:30.880 2026 with I believe a first in QFC history 01:31.600 --> 01:40.080 Namely today, I'm going to take a question that I answered to the best of my ability with the information at the time nearly a decade ago and 01:41.220 --> 01:49.180 Revisit that question in the light of newly released information that yes is broadly along the lines of what I answered all those years ago 01:49.180 --> 01:52.860 But is even more crazy than I imagined 01:52.860 --> 01:57.640 So you're in for a doozy strap in and all of this relates to what we just witnessed 01:57.640 --> 02:02.540 You remember that that was reflections and warnings an interview with Aaron Russo 02:02.540 --> 02:08.920 Which was released by Alex Jones and the Info Wars crew back in 2009 and what made a lot of 02:08.920 --> 02:15.580 Waves in the independent media space at that time if you happened to be around or even in the intervening years 02:15.580 --> 02:22.120 You've probably heard or seen this interview at some point or referenced at some point where Aaron Russo 02:22.120 --> 02:24.740 Talked about amongst other things of course 02:24.740 --> 02:28.300 He was the documentary filmmaker behind the freedom to fascism 02:28.300 --> 02:33.240 Documentary which was very important and influential in the early 2000s in the freedom movement 02:33.240 --> 02:38.220 But he was also as he revealed in that interview with Aaron with Alex Jones 02:38.220 --> 02:41.940 He was also a friend of a Nicholas 02:42.640 --> 02:50.280 Rockefeller who befriended this Hollywood producer and started talking to him behind the scenes about various things and that again 02:50.280 --> 02:53.020 Has become common knowledge you remember it by now 02:53.020 --> 02:57.460 He talked about there's an event that's going to happen in the near future 02:57.460 --> 03:03.540 This was right before 9-11. He was talking about invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and he was talking about 03:03.540 --> 03:08.500 What was going to happen the development of the police state and people are gonna get microchipped 03:08.500 --> 03:12.300 But you know us elites are gonna have the KMA microchip 03:12.300 --> 03:18.380 What does that stand for kiss my ass all that he talked about feminism and how the whole feminist movement was set 03:18.380 --> 03:24.280 Up by the Rockefellers to basically bring the other half of the workforce into the workforce so that they could be taxable and children 03:24.280 --> 03:30.140 Could be educated in indoctrination camps etc. Etc. You have heard some version of this surely by now 03:30.140 --> 03:35.600 And if you haven't well, obviously you can follow the link in the show notes to watch that full 03:36.260 --> 03:40.240 That full interview with Aaron Russo out when he talks about his experiences 03:40.240 --> 03:45.380 But you can also watch this clip from questions for Corbett number 03:45.980 --> 03:51.540 38 on who is Nicholas Rockefeller where nine years ago? 03:52.220 --> 03:55.960 I had a question about this very topic 03:57.120 --> 04:00.740 The next question is an email question. It's in from Vega who writes 04:00.740 --> 04:05.780 What is your take on Aaron Russo's interview where he exposed the 9-11 fraud? 04:06.240 --> 04:08.720 Rockefeller funded feminism and microchipping 04:08.720 --> 04:12.700 Who was this Nick Rockefeller can't seem to find much about him 04:13.740 --> 04:16.400 Excellent question Vega. Thank you for the question. So 04:17.540 --> 04:24.280 Hmm who was Nick Rockefeller? That's an interesting question. So for people who don't know this is about I think it was 04:24.280 --> 04:30.540 Warnings and reflections something like that. That was the name of this hour-long interview with Aaron Russo that that was fairly 04:31.360 --> 04:37.460 Well known I would say in conspiracy circles a decade ago. It was one of Aaron Russo's final interviews 04:38.440 --> 04:41.400 And he talked about a number of things including meeting 04:41.400 --> 04:48.920 Nicholas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller family who told him back in 2000 told him that there was gonna be an event and on that event 04:48.920 --> 04:54.520 They were gonna go into Afghanistan and Iraq and maybe Venezuela after that and this and that was gonna happen 04:54.520 --> 04:57.620 And ultimately we're all gonna be microchipped and blah blah blah 04:58.140 --> 05:04.360 There's a lot of details in that including do you you know Aaron? Why do you think we we've helped bring? 05:04.860 --> 05:07.780 Feminism about it's not why you think and all that kind of stuff 05:07.780 --> 05:12.880 So that's an I mean it was a fairly well-known story at any rate a decade ago in conspiracy circles 05:12.880 --> 05:17.860 I don't know how much it's common knowledge these days and you can still see that interview online. It's widely available 05:18.800 --> 05:21.340 But the question is who is Nicholas Rockefeller? 05:21.560 --> 05:25.980 Aaron Russo in that interview. I think they showed the picture of Aaron with Nicholas Rockefeller 05:25.980 --> 05:30.640 So it's this guy and everyone at the time including myself just took it 05:30.640 --> 05:34.340 Oh, you know Nicholas Rockefeller must be a Rockefeller must be part of the Rockefeller family 05:35.300 --> 05:36.360 But is he? 05:37.260 --> 05:41.520 So this is the the Rockefellers an American dynasty Peter Collier and David Horowitz 05:41.520 --> 05:48.580 Which is one of the standard Rockefeller biographies from the 70s and it has the best the most thorough 05:49.200 --> 05:52.800 Rockefeller family tree that I know of in graphic form anyway 05:53.740 --> 05:55.780 That goes up to the fourth generation 05:55.780 --> 05:58.780 Which at that time was the kind of operative generation 05:59.400 --> 06:04.300 Or the up-and-coming generation I should say back in the 70s which presumably 06:05.420 --> 06:07.900 Nicholas Rockefeller would have at least been in that generation 06:08.800 --> 06:12.960 One would imagine he wouldn't have been born after you know in the 1970s. So 06:14.400 --> 06:19.860 So here is that and he's certainly nowhere on here. He's not on the John D 06:20.700 --> 06:21.780 Rockefeller family tree 06:22.460 --> 06:22.940 now 06:23.940 --> 06:28.680 It's possible he could be elsewhere on the the Rockefeller family tree 06:28.680 --> 06:33.280 I mean William Rockefeller who was John D's younger brother and a co-founder of Standard Oil 06:33.280 --> 06:38.000 But as far as I can tell and as much as I can research into that Williams 06:38.880 --> 06:42.300 Rockefeller's family lineage does not show any Nicholas in 06:43.060 --> 06:43.620 the 06:44.480 --> 06:46.360 grandson generation so 06:47.180 --> 06:48.520 No sign of him there 06:49.420 --> 06:54.900 Perhaps he was part of him even you know one of the other branches of the Rockefeller family tree maybe 06:54.900 --> 06:57.820 You know Lucy or Mary Ann or Franklin or 06:58.400 --> 07:03.200 Francis who you know I mean no one even knows about it's 07:04.320 --> 07:08.520 So that if if Nicholas Rockefeller is on the Rockefeller family tree 07:08.520 --> 07:11.460 And I can't find him anywhere on there in any permutation 07:11.460 --> 07:12.880 But if he is somewhere there 07:12.880 --> 07:18.380 He may be on one of the kind of outer branches of the family tree not part of the quote-unquote 07:18.380 --> 07:20.660 The Rockefeller family i.e. the John D 07:21.920 --> 07:29.020 Rockefeller lineage he is not part of that family. So that's interesting. So who is he? Well, he is a real person 07:29.020 --> 07:30.200 He is a person 07:31.140 --> 07:37.360 We can we can determine that he has a highly sketchy website, which you can go and check out in Nicholas Rockefeller org 07:37.360 --> 07:42.800 And there is a Bloomberg page on him noting that he is an attorney 07:44.020 --> 07:48.400 He's named as a member of the advisory board for the Rand Center for Asia-Pacific policy 07:48.400 --> 07:52.400 He is a CFR member that you can confirm on the CFR membership page 07:52.400 --> 08:01.660 There's a New York Times article from 1999 about a luxury hotel deal in Indonesia that his rock vested development group was part of 08:02.500 --> 08:08.540 That does say he that does mention he is connected with the Rockefeller family, but does not give any details of that 08:09.180 --> 08:11.200 And then this rock fest development 08:11.200 --> 08:18.480 It doesn't seem to be in any way related to the Rockefeller i.e. Rockefeller Foundation Rockefeller Brothers fund any of that kind of stuff 08:19.020 --> 08:19.500 so 08:20.200 --> 08:22.300 It just gets sketchier and sketchier 08:23.800 --> 08:24.760 My best 08:25.280 --> 08:29.540 My best guess at this and I don't have the hundred percent details on this 08:29.540 --> 08:32.120 But my best guess on this is that either 08:32.640 --> 08:38.840 Nicholas Rockefeller is some very fringe kind of member of one branch of the Rockefeller family tree 08:38.840 --> 08:43.680 That's far from the center and uses that name like oh, I'm a Rockefeller 08:43.680 --> 08:47.780 But isn't really you know, he's not David. He's not 08:48.380 --> 08:50.920 You know one of the one of the brothers or what have you? 08:52.000 --> 08:55.180 So it might be that situation or he might be a con man 08:55.180 --> 08:59.280 I mean it might be someone with the name Rockefeller who's just using that name like just hey 08:59.280 --> 09:03.700 I'm Rockefeller, you know, I'm Rockefeller. It could be a complete con man for all I know 09:03.700 --> 09:09.220 I don't know, but he is he's clearly something. He's on CFR and what have you so he's something 09:09.220 --> 09:13.420 But what relation to the Rockefeller family tree? I don't know and to some extent 09:13.420 --> 09:16.260 I mean to some extent there's some kind of con going on here 09:16.260 --> 09:20.960 I mean he's not he's not in the thick of things because there's almost 09:21.520 --> 09:26.540 There's very very little information about him online very little that you can find that's of any substance 09:27.820 --> 09:34.960 As I say hopefully you remember that information and you remember that answer that I was able to give back in 09:34.960 --> 09:41.400 2017 in my ultimate conclusion that yes, this was a con of some sort being played on someone well 09:41.400 --> 09:46.460 Boy was I right and in the most surprising way possible and the information 09:46.460 --> 09:49.320 Has now come to light and we're gonna take this 09:49.320 --> 09:52.720 Firstly from how I discovered this information 09:52.720 --> 09:59.280 Was from a recent sub-stack post by good friend of the show and free previous guest here on Corbett report 09:59.280 --> 10:03.160 Jacob Nordengard in on his pharaohs Chronicles sub-stack 10:03.160 --> 10:09.340 He recently had this post Nicholas Rockefeller the greatest imposter in American history question mark and 10:10.160 --> 10:15.560 Jacob who I hope my listeners know was the author of this tome Rockefeller 10:15.560 --> 10:21.840 Controlling the game which is an important book that goes into great degree of detail about the Rockefellers 10:21.840 --> 10:26.320 And there are many connections to power and how it really operates in our society 10:26.320 --> 10:32.500 So this was a name that had been on yake of Nordengard's research radar independently from my own 10:32.500 --> 10:37.440 For many years and he had looked into it and decided yeah, there isn't enough to really go on 10:37.440 --> 10:40.260 So Nicholas Rockefeller only makes one brief 10:40.860 --> 10:48.680 Written appearance in this book and that is on a list of Rockefellers associated with the council on foreign relations because as we went 10:48.680 --> 10:52.440 Through yes, Nicholas Rockefeller really was on the CFR 10:52.440 --> 10:55.840 So whoever that was really was a CFR member 10:55.840 --> 11:01.200 But that's as far as it went for really either of our research in what we could really nail down about this guy 11:01.200 --> 11:05.440 But as the yake of Nordengard point points out in this new article 11:05.440 --> 11:10.200 This astonishing revelation has come into a new light as in the astonishing 11:10.200 --> 11:17.100 Revelations that Russo told us about Nick us Rockefellers off-the-record conversations after Nicholas Rockefeller's death on Halloween 11:17.740 --> 11:21.300 2024 it was revealed that he was not a Rockefeller at all 11:21.300 --> 11:27.020 But an incredibly sophisticated fraudster who managed to fool everyone in 40 years 11:27.020 --> 11:31.580 His real name was Spiro Pavlovich the third an 11:32.580 --> 11:37.020 Incredible story so of course I will first and foremost direct people to yakem's substack 11:37.020 --> 11:43.500 But from there you will see the link to what is a multi-part series by this author 11:43.500 --> 11:48.500 This journalist Jonathan altar about the 40 year con 11:48.500 --> 11:55.480 Nicholas Rockefeller yaley Davos man member of multiple boards died a pillar pillar of the west coast establishment 11:56.020 --> 11:58.460 then the truth came out and 11:58.460 --> 12:01.940 Well, we'll get into this and the story behind it 12:01.940 --> 12:07.820 But first you have to know a little bit about Jonathan altar and his appearance in the story which actually goes back to 12:08.780 --> 12:12.760 1976 when altar was I think an 18 or 19 year old 12:12.760 --> 12:16.020 applying to become part of the the 12:16.020 --> 12:17.260 Harvard Crimson 12:17.880 --> 12:19.640 journalist team and 12:19.640 --> 12:24.160 In order to do that he had to earn his journalistic chops by reporting on some important story 12:24.160 --> 12:30.600 So he decided to report on something that was happening there at Harvard there in 1976 the dramatic 12:31.240 --> 12:34.940 Expose and expulsion of a serial fraudster from Harvard 12:34.940 --> 12:38.000 It was a piece that he wrote for the Crimson in March 12:38.510 --> 12:43.240 1976 under the headline arose by any other name and he writes about this 12:43.240 --> 12:50.110 Spiro Pavlovich the third who was charged with twice bluffing his way into Harvard Law School and 12:50.880 --> 12:56.860 Also his wife Monette who was attending the business school after allegedly faking transcripts in order to get in 12:56.860 --> 13:03.080 She was also arrested by the FBI for falsifying falsifying applications for government insured loans 13:03.080 --> 13:06.920 so that was a federal crime that they were charged with there and 13:06.920 --> 13:14.520 This goes into the story of Spiro Pavlovich the third and his background and his colorful youth and 13:15.080 --> 13:18.300 Stories that followed him around even back when he was in high school pulling 13:18.920 --> 13:21.920 What is described as pranks, but really was fraud? 13:22.560 --> 13:25.400 For example while he was attending Loyola in New Orleans 13:25.400 --> 13:31.520 He sponsored an expensive formal and tried to pass off an unknown nightclub singer as Aretha Franklin 13:32.200 --> 13:34.180 Promoted it as an Aretha Franklin concert 13:34.640 --> 13:40.420 Apparently, he didn't just try that once he tried it on a multiple occasions and was run out of town in a couple of occasions 13:41.180 --> 13:42.980 But in the fall of 1968 13:42.980 --> 13:47.680 He showed up at Harvard Law School where he spent the next two and a half years as a diligent student 13:47.680 --> 13:52.540 But when it came time for a summer internship, he started 13:53.480 --> 13:56.940 telling tall tales and spinning yarns and 13:56.940 --> 14:01.260 Saying that he was the great-grand-nephew of Tsar Nicholas of Russia 14:01.820 --> 14:07.120 He was interviewing for someone who he told that he was an avid scuba diver that 14:07.120 --> 14:12.520 But that destroyed his credibility because one of the partners at the firm that he was interning was a scuba 14:12.520 --> 14:19.820 enthusiast and fooled Spiro into expanding on the subject about which Pavlovich knew nothing the firm contacted to Lane University 14:19.820 --> 14:23.500 And then Harvard Law Harvard asked King and Spalding the people 14:24.100 --> 14:27.520 Who were thinking of firing him if it wished to press charges, but the firm declined? 14:28.160 --> 14:31.540 But so he had been caught out and then expelled from Harvard Law 14:31.540 --> 14:37.920 But he came back he first enrolled at the University of New Orleans as a transfer student from Tulane with a new identity 14:37.920 --> 14:46.300 Jason Scott-Cord and completed a very successful successful stint there and then went back to Cambridge again for round two this time 14:46.300 --> 14:52.560 With Uncle Sam guaranteeing repayment of Harvard's loans and using this different identity. He literally just dressed up 14:52.560 --> 14:54.940 grew a goatee wore a hat and 14:54.940 --> 14:56.600 and glasses and 14:56.600 --> 15:01.020 passed himself off as a new new person and that he got in and 15:01.020 --> 15:04.200 Managed to do that for a couple of years before getting expelled again 15:04.200 --> 15:06.540 And that that was the subject of this 1976 15:07.240 --> 15:10.760 article by Jonathan altar, but then back in 15:10.760 --> 15:14.540 2024 as this article documents this 15:15.320 --> 15:21.500 Latest doc article from back last September. Yes, apparently this Nicholas Rockefeller was the self-same 15:21.500 --> 15:26.200 Spiro Pavlovich the third that altar was writing about four or five decades ago, so 15:27.140 --> 15:28.500 this story is 15:29.280 --> 15:36.320 Incredible detailed. It's a as I say as a three-part series. I would suggest anyone who's even vaguely interested in this should read the whole thing 15:36.320 --> 15:38.160 It's a fascinating tale if nothing else 15:38.820 --> 15:40.420 We'll just go through a little bit of it 15:40.420 --> 15:45.080 He talks about Nick's story surname sterling credentials and high-level associations 15:45.080 --> 15:50.020 Which put him in the upper reaches of the American establishment after graduating from Yale Law School in 15:50.020 --> 15:56.300 1987 and clerking on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals for Judge Dorothy Nelson who considered him one of her best clerks ever 15:56.300 --> 15:59.340 He became a partner in the Los Angeles office of Perkins Coy 15:59.340 --> 16:07.240 Nick as he was going by at that time practiced what he called investment law and founded the Rockefeller Asia advisory group rockfest development 16:07.240 --> 16:14.960 Rockefeller Pacific Ventures Rockefeller Resources International and the Rockefeller International Fund Nick mingled with George and Barbara Bush 16:14.960 --> 16:20.780 She hosted events featuring John Kerry and Gary Hart and Steve Forbes in general Wesley Clark 16:21.320 --> 16:28.640 He was well versed on emerging Chinese capitalism and sat on panels at Davos there with Klaus Schwab himself 16:29.280 --> 16:36.100 He was a member of the board of the Rand corporations Asia Pacific Policy advisory board 16:36.100 --> 16:40.060 As well as the Pacific Council on international policy and the World Affairs 16:40.650 --> 16:50.660 Council he traveled often to China and his Rockefeller branded investment vehicle spawned several Sino-American projects as well as suspicions that he was a Chinese intelligence asset in 16:50.660 --> 16:52.320 2002 the mayor of Wuhan 16:52.860 --> 16:58.460 Dedicated a plaque honoring Nicholas Rockefeller as an international advisor to the municipal government 16:58.460 --> 17:04.040 But then upon his death at the age of 78 on Halloween 17:04.640 --> 17:04.940 2024 17:05.580 --> 17:10.640 One of his Yale law school classmates Helen Kim was by his side at that time 17:10.640 --> 17:17.800 And then things began to unravel as Kim started to put the funeral arrangements together and start to look into Nicholas Rockefeller 17:17.800 --> 17:23.860 She phoned the Rockefeller Global Family Office in New York a call that dozens of people should have made 17:23.860 --> 17:30.700 Over the previous 40 years and was told that Nick was quote not recognized as a member of the Rockefeller family 17:30.700 --> 17:36.320 Huh interesting so she went to investigate at the Century City office 17:36.320 --> 17:41.040 The Chinese natural gas company that paid for Rockefeller's 4,000 square foot office 17:41.040 --> 17:45.950 She went to the their head office the Rockefeller resources international office and 17:46.540 --> 17:48.760 Got in and started going through his possessions 17:48.760 --> 17:55.280 What she found in his desk door drawers was jaw-dropping a strange and haphazard collection of false IDs 17:55.880 --> 18:04.060 Passports and birth certificates an application to Yale law school in the name of a legendary British aviator and Nick's near-perfect 18:04.060 --> 18:06.560 LSAT LSAT scores from 1983 18:08.080 --> 18:16.460 Etc. Etc. It just goes on and on from there and as I say this is a very very detailed study that goes through all the decades of 18:16.460 --> 18:18.060 duplicity that this 18:18.060 --> 18:21.060 Spiro Pavlovich the third aka 18:21.060 --> 18:31.040 Nicholas Rockefeller was engaged in and the Nicholas Rockefeller character he inhabited for 40 years and as you see he was 18:31.040 --> 18:36.520 There photographed with George and Barbara Bush and hobnobbing with the elite to the upper crust 18:36.520 --> 18:39.720 How on earth did this happen? 18:39.920 --> 18:46.480 Well, that's really the question and you will find some of the answers of how some of these people were duped and 18:46.480 --> 18:51.540 In what ways he was creating his fake credentials and how one fake ID 18:52.400 --> 18:54.120 Opened the door for another fake 18:54.920 --> 19:02.440 Credential and etc. Etc. And it's again a fascinating story and lots and lots of detail about specific names places and events 19:03.260 --> 19:07.560 But it doesn't quite go all the way there and that is something that Jacob and 19:07.560 --> 19:13.660 Both and both Jacob and myself tend to think yeah the the alter article is as I say fascinating detailed 19:13.660 --> 19:17.940 But doesn't quite go all the way. So let's go all the way and in that regard 19:17.940 --> 19:20.740 I had the chance to talk to Jacob Nardengard about 19:21.340 --> 19:21.640 this 19:21.640 --> 19:22.380 alter 19:23.180 --> 19:26.380 Expose this deep dive and what it does and does not say 19:26.940 --> 19:33.600 Etc. So let's get into this and I started by asking Jacob again author of Rockefeller controlling the game 19:33.600 --> 19:35.560 Someone who knows something about the Rockefeller family 19:35.560 --> 19:40.900 How he came about this latest piece of information about Nicholas Rockefeller 19:40.900 --> 19:46.160 A.k.a. Spiro Pavlovich III when it had completely evaded my research radar 19:47.890 --> 19:49.080 Yes, I 19:49.970 --> 19:50.760 as usual 19:51.570 --> 19:58.360 It's not what I was looking for information about Nicholas Rockefeller. It was just 19:58.360 --> 20:02.080 I was searching for something else 20:03.110 --> 20:04.420 When this came up 20:06.160 --> 20:07.800 Probably probably 20:09.040 --> 20:14.460 Something related to the Rockefeller. So I guess now it's just slipped my mind. I don't remember because 20:15.060 --> 20:17.680 As I saw it. It was just what? 20:19.140 --> 20:21.880 This is the answer to to to to everything 20:23.060 --> 20:23.620 so 20:25.340 --> 20:29.480 I started reading this and it was behind a pain wall 20:30.720 --> 20:32.040 But it was so 20:33.440 --> 20:37.200 interesting to just had to to to read it and and 20:37.200 --> 20:38.080 upon 20:40.540 --> 20:44.620 Reading this material it was just mind-blowing 20:45.840 --> 20:49.700 What the Jonathan altar had find out about him 20:51.280 --> 20:52.220 Because I 20:53.040 --> 20:56.680 Nicholas Rockefeller hadn't been on my radar for for for a while 20:57.500 --> 21:02.960 as well, uh, didn't I didn't think thought about being for a while, but 21:02.960 --> 21:03.240 Uh 21:05.200 --> 21:09.820 So, uh, when I when I saw this it was just wow 21:14.080 --> 21:24.740 With uh with the level of of defrauding it was just astonishing and being able to 21:26.140 --> 21:31.220 Kind of act like a Rockefeller for 40 years without the detection 21:32.160 --> 21:35.140 And and also been able to 21:36.480 --> 21:42.860 Assume uh, he was known as spy ro pavlovich leford as he said and 21:43.300 --> 21:49.180 And assuming this identity after he had two times 21:49.840 --> 21:57.360 Came into uh, yeah, he was accepted into the harward law school with fake identities 21:58.000 --> 22:00.120 Uh, and it was just 22:00.860 --> 22:04.260 What and uh the third time he could fake 22:05.180 --> 22:08.200 Rockefeller identity and he actually was 22:09.120 --> 22:09.700 um 22:10.960 --> 22:16.720 At the when he was at harward. He was kind of a the bragging type 22:17.500 --> 22:18.800 He he liked to 22:19.580 --> 22:26.020 Exaggerate things that he had done in his life his life achievement. So so he dropped these 22:26.780 --> 22:28.420 Things like he was the 22:29.240 --> 22:30.960 great-grandson to the 22:31.920 --> 22:39.220 Tsar Nicholas of russia and so on and uh, but he was a kind of a scuba diver that 22:39.660 --> 22:40.940 that that 22:42.580 --> 22:50.140 And and that he was a kind of american football player that and he kicked the longest 22:50.880 --> 22:53.500 Kick ever and and so on 22:54.060 --> 22:58.460 It was a lot of of the outrageous claims. Uh, so 22:59.260 --> 23:01.100 People started to question him 23:01.740 --> 23:05.960 Not not that harvard law school at first, but when we applied for some 23:06.560 --> 23:11.520 um position during the the the summers, uh at 23:12.060 --> 23:16.940 Some law firms and they started to question this and said what is this? 23:17.620 --> 23:19.960 and uh harvard local school they 23:20.840 --> 23:23.220 Start an investigation and find out that 23:23.920 --> 23:31.600 Uh, the second time he was in they could see that it was it. It's the same handwriting as the spiro pavlovich 23:31.600 --> 23:33.380 But now he had a new identity 23:34.060 --> 23:38.480 And uh, he actually went to um, um court for this 23:39.260 --> 23:40.560 so fbi 23:41.260 --> 23:41.940 they 23:42.960 --> 23:44.540 arrested him and 23:45.100 --> 23:46.360 They had this trial 23:47.120 --> 23:47.460 but 23:48.280 --> 23:48.960 pavlovich 23:49.540 --> 23:50.800 He was very 23:50.800 --> 23:53.820 He became very ill 23:54.520 --> 23:55.540 and uh 23:55.540 --> 23:59.360 Had depression and and a lot of issues 24:00.000 --> 24:04.120 That made it impossible for him to stand trial and he had 24:05.440 --> 24:05.940 doctors 24:06.920 --> 24:08.620 Talking for him and said 24:08.620 --> 24:11.840 He had schizophrenia or 24:12.600 --> 24:14.780 So so he actually couldn't 24:15.300 --> 24:17.060 He wouldn't was never 24:17.720 --> 24:19.740 in trial for this. So 24:20.360 --> 24:21.860 I wouldn't I wouldn't have 24:23.020 --> 24:26.100 Didn't have to go to jail or or anything for this 24:26.860 --> 24:28.340 instead he went to 24:29.180 --> 24:31.080 Louisiana for nine years 24:32.100 --> 24:33.400 before he 24:34.520 --> 24:38.360 Assumed his new identity as nicolas rockefeller 24:39.160 --> 24:40.520 So what do we take? 24:41.140 --> 24:46.020 From this report as you say, it's incredibly detailed and interesting 24:46.600 --> 24:49.280 But it seems that there are things missing from this story 24:49.800 --> 24:51.580 What what do we do with this information? 24:51.860 --> 24:58.060 And does it at all in any way alter your view of the rockefellers that we get from your book? 24:59.100 --> 25:01.960 Well as I write in in my my uh, 25:01.960 --> 25:07.000 Substack article it's uh, why don't why don't the rockefellers 25:07.000 --> 25:09.820 Have I don't have they have commented on this? 25:10.360 --> 25:11.060 because 25:11.940 --> 25:19.440 Thing is he was in the concern for relation and he was had been in contact with or through his 25:19.900 --> 25:20.900 wife in crime 25:22.020 --> 25:24.240 with the trial at the commission and 25:24.820 --> 25:29.700 J rockefeller and a couple other rockefeller institutions. So 25:30.500 --> 25:35.680 Why haven't they commented on this and why haven't jonathan alter? 25:37.000 --> 25:39.460 He should have been contacting 25:39.460 --> 25:43.940 the rockefeller family office for their comment on this 25:43.940 --> 25:49.460 Why haven't they done anything and you have had an imposter for 40 years 25:50.060 --> 25:52.480 He was in the council for relations 25:55.720 --> 25:56.280 So 25:56.900 --> 25:58.920 And now I forgot your question 25:58.920 --> 26:03.000 Well, but I think you you demonstrate the point of the power of that name 26:03.000 --> 26:05.060 But also the mystery around 26:05.600 --> 26:12.480 The ability of somebody to just go around and start using the name with absolutely seemingly no total impunity for 26:13.000 --> 26:15.900 Decades literally 40 years going around using that name 26:15.900 --> 26:23.700 Starting rock vest and rockefeller philanthropy fund. Yeah, he came up with a misuse of a family name 26:23.700 --> 26:28.860 I mean that that's something that you he should be in court for for for doing this 26:28.860 --> 26:31.980 Uh, so it's just a mystery 26:32.900 --> 26:41.740 But but as I write in in my sub-strike article, that's what was the point I was going to give is that the rockefells themselves. They are 26:42.820 --> 26:44.700 They're very great 26:45.660 --> 26:46.060 grand 26:48.160 --> 26:48.960 ancestor 26:51.180 --> 26:54.660 Is uh, william devil bill rockefeller 26:55.380 --> 27:01.680 Uh a fraudster a big amist and and he he's when you read about nicholas rockefeller 27:01.680 --> 27:06.020 Um, well, that was what devil bill did 27:06.900 --> 27:07.200 so 27:08.580 --> 27:16.060 I chew my voice every chance I get said devil bill. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's famous. So so of course 27:16.680 --> 27:22.580 Um, it's like why would they do it? Why why would they talk about an imposter rockefeller? 27:24.900 --> 27:25.460 Uh 27:26.500 --> 27:29.280 Fascinating so much things would come up in the light 27:30.040 --> 27:35.540 We have uh, you would think uh, yeah, but let's okay. So I guess the real question here is 27:35.540 --> 27:42.640 Then what do we do with this information with regard to the infamous erin russo interview and what nicholas rockefeller told him 27:42.640 --> 27:47.960 About what the rockefellers were planning for humanity. What do we do with that information now? Yeah 27:48.740 --> 27:53.520 The thing is that kind of information don't have to be wrong 27:53.520 --> 27:57.840 Uh, because one one thing is that how did 27:58.870 --> 28:00.360 nicholas rockefeller know 28:00.830 --> 28:02.100 about what would happen 28:03.020 --> 28:04.720 after this event 28:06.310 --> 28:12.660 How could he come up with that knowledge? Did he just invent it or just uh, well 28:13.870 --> 28:21.040 Trying to to say things to uh, erin russo to to feel to be important and 28:21.840 --> 28:25.060 Saying shocking things. Well, maybe not 28:25.640 --> 28:28.700 If you are in the intelligence if you are 28:29.320 --> 28:33.260 Because he met with a lot of powerful people with a rockefeller name 28:33.260 --> 28:35.260 So he can have known 28:35.800 --> 28:42.220 A lot of things what was going on and also in the as if he was in the intelligence 28:43.100 --> 28:45.780 If you're in the intelligent just you get 28:46.180 --> 28:48.640 pre-knowledge of things that would happen 28:49.360 --> 28:49.820 so 28:50.620 --> 28:51.800 Don't have to be 28:52.680 --> 28:55.620 Anything wrong with that information 28:56.580 --> 28:57.060 um 28:57.660 --> 29:00.480 But they can also juice this 29:01.340 --> 29:03.860 Thing with exposing now 29:05.640 --> 29:06.100 Nicholas 29:06.900 --> 29:11.580 rockefeller as a fraud, but everything he has said was a fraud 29:13.260 --> 29:18.080 So uh leaking that kind of information and now we can close that 29:18.080 --> 29:22.000 It was just a crazy conspiracy 29:22.830 --> 29:27.960 Yeah, it's a great way to discredit all of that information, isn't it? Yeah, of course 29:29.480 --> 29:33.940 Once again, that is jacob nordengard of the ferros chronicles sub stack 29:33.940 --> 29:38.960 He also has his own website ferros media dot s e which will be linked up in the show notes 29:38.960 --> 29:40.640 So that you can go and acquire 29:41.380 --> 29:41.900 rockefeller 29:41.900 --> 29:47.720 Controlling the game an important book and handy resource for people who do want to know more about the rockefeller family 29:47.720 --> 29:55.600 And you can also now pre-order jacob's forthcoming book that will be published in english at the end of this month march 31st 29:56.180 --> 30:01.480 um, it is called the digital world brain our common agenda and the pact for the future 30:02.080 --> 30:07.080 And nordengard calls it a sequel to his rockefeller book where it talks about what they are 30:07.080 --> 30:09.020 Trying to do in the long term the big 30:09.020 --> 30:16.540 Common agenda slash un slash who game plan and where it's going with the creation of the digital world brain 30:16.540 --> 30:22.700 So plenty to dig into with regard to that topic, but with regard to the nick rockefeller topic 30:22.700 --> 30:30.660 There's obviously plenty of room for discussion and lots of food on the table for a feast a repast 30:31.260 --> 30:31.820 of 30:31.820 --> 30:38.840 Scrutiny about this nickolas rockefeller story. There are still a number of interesting questions that hang out there and that 30:39.610 --> 30:44.300 I talked about with yake of both on and off error including of course some of the 30:44.810 --> 30:49.380 suggestions that occur throughout even jonathan alter's investigation that he kind of 30:49.900 --> 30:50.880 notes in passing 30:51.810 --> 30:57.020 That nickolas rockefeller was some form of intelligence agent working for somebody and 30:57.020 --> 31:03.460 This is a theme that followed him basically throughout his life even back when he was a student and 31:03.460 --> 31:09.160 He was just a known man on campus at high school and going into college 31:09.860 --> 31:14.640 Uh, there were people for example who considered that he was a quote spy for the working class 31:14.640 --> 31:19.280 Who never reported back to the home office is how one person put it or 31:19.900 --> 31:23.420 In high school his besotted future wife called him james bond 31:23.420 --> 31:30.020 He was known as an actor and someone who could put on an aura of mystique and interest. So 31:30.700 --> 31:31.820 There's that sort of thing 31:32.580 --> 31:38.680 Both of them had been arrested by the fbi. So they had some sort of contact with domestic intelligence 31:39.340 --> 31:43.940 And the report goes on in part two and part three to talk about other 31:44.610 --> 31:51.000 Interesting aspects of this for example at mary's and other yale haunts nick was more expansive when describing his time with nato 31:51.000 --> 31:56.580 On the stash of british general john hackett the real if long retired commander of nato's northern army group 31:56.580 --> 32:03.160 Sometimes he claimed that he worked for several years on a secret nato project that required him to spend six weeks in a safe house 32:03.640 --> 32:04.940 in communist russia 32:04.940 --> 32:11.740 And one story that is related along those lines one night over drinks a classmate asked him about his spy craft 32:11.740 --> 32:15.440 What if you suspected the person offering you documents was a double agent? 32:16.020 --> 32:19.980 Nick switched his thick scotch glass and in a quick athletic motion 32:19.980 --> 32:25.800 Rammed it a fraction of an inch from his friend's face showing that he could easily drive his nose into his brain 32:26.460 --> 32:29.940 I had no doubt that he had been some kind of agent the friend says 32:29.940 --> 32:35.440 And there are stories like that that appear again in passing throughout this story over 32:35.440 --> 32:40.600 and over and over on into part three talking about um the 32:40.600 --> 32:43.900 Sus people suspecting that he was some form of 32:44.400 --> 32:45.960 Chinese intelligence asset 32:46.580 --> 32:53.040 Because of his vast connections in that country and with various chinese officials including a young shijing pin 32:53.040 --> 32:59.180 Before he became dictator for life back in 2002 when he was still just a rising star in the chinese communist party 32:59.180 --> 33:04.540 He was uh, well, nicholas rockfeller was in touch and trying to work deals with him 33:04.540 --> 33:06.680 um now most of 33:06.680 --> 33:11.160 Nicholas rockfellers deals and swindles came to nothing 33:11.640 --> 33:13.760 He did not die a multi multi millionaire 33:13.760 --> 33:20.260 He died with uh, I think it was 35 000 in his account or something like that and constantly borrowing money off of friends 33:20.720 --> 33:26.300 Constantly spinning the tale that he was in a battle over the rockfeller trust fund with some of his family members 33:26.300 --> 33:30.880 And I can pay you back as soon as this is settled. Don't worry and he never did etc 33:31.460 --> 33:34.140 so there's a lot to this story and 33:34.140 --> 33:41.680 It's not that nicholas rockfeller was wildly successful ultimately in what he did, but or was he what was the ultimate point of this con? 33:42.000 --> 33:43.100 and as 33:43.100 --> 33:48.940 as jaco basks as any reasonable person would ask why did the rockfeller family never really 33:49.460 --> 33:54.920 Go out on record never make a deal about it as this man was presenting himself as a rockfeller and 33:55.520 --> 33:59.960 starting all these rockfeller branded investment corporations and trusts and what have you and 33:59.960 --> 34:03.320 sitting on boards and going to davos and 34:03.320 --> 34:09.080 All of these places where the rockfellers obviously had reach and influence and even people sitting on the board along 34:09.550 --> 34:10.680 side him like at cfr 34:11.330 --> 34:13.760 Why on earth did they never call him out? 34:14.380 --> 34:15.620 Who was he really working for? 34:16.080 --> 34:22.360 Speculate away guys. Um, there's clearly more to this story than we know, but I would also say that I 34:23.180 --> 34:23.760 in 34:24.440 --> 34:29.640 opposition to those who think that it is all one grand conspiracy that's completely controlled by 34:29.960 --> 34:34.180 A few people at the top who literally control absolutely everything that happens on planet earth 34:34.180 --> 34:37.680 I think there is no doubt that nicholas rockfeller 34:37.680 --> 34:38.700 Genuinely 34:39.440 --> 34:43.420 Was a con of some sort a con man and maybe a spy maybe something else 34:43.420 --> 34:46.940 But anyways genuinely a con man who genuinely assumed 34:46.940 --> 34:53.440 A rockfeller identity and perhaps was permitted to do so or encouraged to do so but at any rate 34:53.440 --> 34:57.140 assumed that identity and successfully got away with it for decades 34:57.980 --> 35:03.680 Largely and I'd say for most people on the back of the fact that he never pushed it too far 35:03.680 --> 35:08.640 He never played up his connection to the rockfeller family too much 35:09.320 --> 35:15.000 In explicit ways like oh, I was talking to david yesterday and he said he never played that angle 35:15.520 --> 35:21.660 He just more alluded to his connections to the family and most people most of the time were willing to go along with it 35:21.660 --> 35:24.700 Because here's this flashy fast-talking guy who 35:25.320 --> 35:31.080 Seems to spend money and looks the part so let's go along with it and a lot of people were seduced by the 35:31.740 --> 35:32.080 potential 35:32.700 --> 35:37.240 Power and influence of being close to a rockfeller and were willing to go along with it 35:37.240 --> 35:40.220 I certainly do believe that a lot of people were just genuinely conned 35:40.780 --> 35:46.620 By that who who would think that the person being so open and brazen about his rockfeller money and 35:46.620 --> 35:51.560 Connections would be a complete imposter and who would think to check well apparently not many people 35:52.080 --> 35:52.520 um 35:53.080 --> 35:58.640 In fact, even someone that he was invested he was working with in this company called us search, which was 35:59.320 --> 36:00.660 specializing in ancestry 36:01.140 --> 36:05.600 Searching your ancestry and finding out family connections the the his partner in that 36:05.600 --> 36:10.940 Apparently never bothered to put Nicholas Rockefeller into his own search engine. So take that for what it's worth 36:11.620 --> 36:15.860 Anyway, I would say there is obviously some level of con that that happened here 36:15.860 --> 36:19.400 And I would assume that is exactly what happened with erin russo that erin russo 36:19.400 --> 36:24.760 Was just genuinely conned by this person who he genuinely believed was a part of the rockfeller family 36:24.760 --> 36:30.560 But yes, then the question becomes so what do we do with the information that he imparted to erin russo 36:31.080 --> 36:34.480 Does it make it false? Well, obviously from just of 36:35.560 --> 36:42.940 In terms of logical fallacies it doesn't mean that it is necessarily untrue the things that nicholas rockfeller said 36:43.440 --> 36:47.780 It just means that he couldn't he probably did not know it in the way that he 36:48.500 --> 36:52.440 Intimated that he did that he had this as insider knowledge of the rockfeller family 36:53.040 --> 36:53.600 but 36:54.180 --> 36:56.980 He obviously knew a thing or two about a thing or two 36:56.980 --> 37:03.240 Including as altar notes in his article. He knew something about chinese the chinese economic situation 37:03.780 --> 37:09.380 And was a convincing enough trust lawyer, etc. So he was able to um successfully 37:10.580 --> 37:16.180 Operate in these fears without being a complete and total idiot. So there must be something behind that 37:16.180 --> 37:23.660 But another thing that is important here is that altar, of course completely sidesteps and as 37:24.260 --> 37:25.880 Talks about in our interview 37:25.880 --> 37:32.080 He sort of gets to dismiss all of the things that he talked about with erin russo in literally two sentences of this 37:32.080 --> 37:38.360 Multi-part thoroughly detailed and documented report the entire erin russo incident takes up two sentences 37:38.360 --> 37:41.080 And he had a weakness for conspiracy theories 37:41.080 --> 37:48.120 Including for ones that involved the rockfellers that he peddled to a hollywood producer turned conspiracy theorists named erin russo 37:48.120 --> 37:52.880 Among others when russo repeated nich theories on alex jones' radio show 37:52.880 --> 37:57.400 They went viral though. None of rocky's hi-hat friends seemed to notice 37:58.380 --> 38:05.840 Again interesting the ignorance and one would imagine in some cases willful blind ignorance to what was right in front of their face 38:05.840 --> 38:09.020 Is fascinating, but actually somewhat plausible 38:09.020 --> 38:12.860 I do think that a lot of these people who are sitting on these boards and 38:13.570 --> 38:19.500 These powerful people who real some are really just gophers who are filling seats in various positions of 38:19.500 --> 38:24.100 middle management power and not really the people pulling the strings and were genuinely 38:24.610 --> 38:29.600 Um oblivious to what was really going on. I will note with some interest that if 38:30.140 --> 38:31.760 I just tested this myself 38:31.760 --> 38:37.340 Maybe you'll get a different result, but when I went to youtube.com and typed in nicholas rockfeller before posting this video 38:38.100 --> 38:42.500 The very first result was who is nicholas rockfeller questions for corbett. So anyone 38:43.180 --> 38:47.240 Anyone in his orbit in the past decade or so who had just 38:47.720 --> 38:54.060 I wonder who is nicholas rockfeller had typed in his name into the youtube search would have seen my questions for corbett 38:54.060 --> 38:57.880 Where I said that he's probably a con man. So anyway 38:58.600 --> 39:05.060 Interesting interesting stuff. Um, but we're gonna leave this for here for today. There's a lot to dissect here 39:05.060 --> 39:09.600 Again, I I think anyone who's even remotely interested in the subject should read alters 39:09.600 --> 39:14.180 Three-part report and then think critically about what it does and doesn't say about 39:14.680 --> 39:20.440 Rockfeller and his real who he really really was and who he really really might have been working for anyway 39:21.020 --> 39:22.000 That being what it is 39:22.000 --> 39:24.800 I think this is an instructive case in a number of ways 39:24.800 --> 39:28.100 Not only in the real life catch me if you can type of thing 39:28.100 --> 39:31.860 Which we now know is mostly garbage and mostly fake anyway 39:31.860 --> 39:35.840 Well, here's the the guy who successfully inhabited a role for four decades 39:36.430 --> 39:39.980 But also it is an interesting way of trying to dismiss 39:40.640 --> 39:46.060 What could be very true and very valuable and very important information that came through this 39:46.550 --> 39:52.600 Compromised source, which may in fact be part of the whole psi op that was the nicholas rockfeller character 39:53.300 --> 39:57.680 Who one way or another was retired on october 31st of 2024 39:58.500 --> 40:02.900 Anyway, I just thought this was all very interesting and obviously this relates to 40:02.900 --> 40:06.100 What I was talking about nine years ago here on questions for corbett 40:06.100 --> 40:08.720 So I thought I'd like to tie the little bow on it here for today 40:08.720 --> 40:12.280 But I'm interested to see your thoughts on the whole nick rockfeller situation 40:12.820 --> 40:18.380 So corporate report members of course as always invited to log in and leave your thoughts and comments 40:18.380 --> 40:22.560 In the comment section at corporate report.com. 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