WEBVTT 00:21.840 --> 00:29.760 Welcome to the Biochirisma podcast. I'm your host Christopher Gardner. Today we have Steve Falconer of the Spacebusters back on to the pod. 00:30.380 --> 00:41.580 We are going to get into the thick cosmological weeds today. I love talking with Steve. He's been doing this expose on the final experiment. 00:41.580 --> 00:54.360 Essentially talking about a lot of the different data points that were given in such a ludicrous title to a so-called set of observations. 00:55.220 --> 01:01.460 Steve is very good about using deductive reasoning and going through different data points. 01:02.060 --> 01:08.580 We only stay on that topic for I'd say about 15-20 minutes and then we get into our greater cosmology. 01:08.580 --> 01:18.740 He and myself in Whitsitt-Gitze and Jason Loffenberg and a bunch of other people online were in the fringe of the fringe of the fringe. 01:19.300 --> 01:23.880 In the sense that we believe more in a model of ether physics. 01:24.940 --> 01:35.620 And we touch on that and we talk about straddling the fence between ether physics relative to terrain cosmology relative to spirituality. 01:35.620 --> 01:45.900 And how we get into some good, good aspects of alchemy. Some of the spiritual tenants that are around. 01:46.480 --> 01:52.780 And a lot of the different spiritual practices of raising the Christos or the chrism in the body. 01:53.580 --> 02:03.640 And I just really I love Steve because he's anybody that's met him in person knows one he has a lot of chrisma and two a ton of intellectual honesty. 02:03.640 --> 02:18.040 So this conversation is coming at the most perfect point to really dive into this because this podcast now is at the point where between the podcast and other spots I've done. 02:18.240 --> 02:26.560 There's like, you know, a few thousand hours worth of discussion into what this plane of existence might be. 02:26.560 --> 02:40.700 So enjoy this podcast with Steve. Please check out our telegram chat. It's the bio charisma podcast chat on telegram bio charisma on YouTube and bio charisma also on Instagram. 02:41.280 --> 02:52.940 I'm usually updating Instagram with more of my construction ditties and then I YouTube I use as the platform for live all the live streams that I do. 02:52.940 --> 03:00.000 So please check those out if you get a chance share like do all the things and look forward to seeing you guys on the flip side. 03:16.540 --> 03:27.400 We are back today with my main man Steve Falconer of the space busters, the author extraordinaire of space busters at least half half. 03:28.080 --> 03:33.080 You're pretty much the front man now right Ross hasn't put put too much stuff out as of late. 03:33.640 --> 03:44.660 He's kind of back and coming back he did a little, he did a couple little films. So he got back into it. Yeah, but yeah, I've been carrying the weight while he was doing personal stuff. 03:44.660 --> 03:46.920 So I can't wait to have him back. 03:46.920 --> 04:04.920 Yeah, yeah, because the dynamic do of YouTube is awesome. I have regularly sending people your guys debunking jet fuel just had a great discussion with Jim Lee about jet fuel relative to pollution relative to chemtrails. 04:05.840 --> 04:33.540 Yeah, man. You've been since this whole garbage that's come out with the different people that we know in the, I guess you would call it in the alternative media space that came up and concocted this final experiment thing to debunk the flat earth or prove for once and for all that we are on some billiard ball rifling through space. 04:34.300 --> 04:53.980 I wanted to have you on because between you and Marty leads you two are the most sober minds out there with actually going through a logical progression of what it is that we're being told relative to what we can actually observe and what has been, you know, essentially a fabrication of a computer model. 04:54.760 --> 05:13.700 And I've been loving the last two videos that you put out about essentially talking about push off points distances, you know, timing of things and I just wanted to have you kind of kind of give us like a nice little medley of everything that you found out about this. 05:15.100 --> 05:27.160 Yeah, well, the strange thing is, so these guys go down there and they see and film what appears to be a 24 hour light going around their head. 05:27.760 --> 05:30.920 So one of the guys Austin wits it. 05:31.620 --> 05:42.240 He is still on our side now he stopped being a flat earth or some years ago he calls himself an etheric earth there, which is really kind of more where I'm coming from to and I think yourself. 05:43.140 --> 05:43.580 Yeah. 05:44.800 --> 06:04.860 I, there are a lot of things I don't really agree with on the flat earth model and there are a lot of misunderstandings that I've been sort of even also debunking for myself and others along the way because I do think we all we need to know we need to get our story straight like you know like if we're going to make claims they have to be real. 06:04.860 --> 06:17.200 Now a lot of the earth is metaphysical so you can claim all you want, but see you're arguing apples with oranges with these Newtonian Jesuit schools, physics people. 06:17.780 --> 06:21.360 And I like in it to like you know I'm a first year music teacher. 06:22.220 --> 06:28.820 I've, you can teach him the Phrygian Lydian mode we can do pictures and all these drawings and cartoons and color wheels. 06:29.780 --> 06:35.960 You might as well speak Chinese to a Zulu the kids just don't get it because they don't even have the frame for the basic scale. 06:36.480 --> 06:41.960 So you can say all you do is take that scale and move the pattern over one and then one more and just, you know, they're like what. 06:41.960 --> 06:52.680 But a year or two later they get it. And that's kind of the problem I think with trying to talk the metaphysical earth with these ballers and, you know, people school like we all were. 06:53.280 --> 07:00.700 They just don't have the framework to get it. They don't understand it to right of field they don't know what you're talking about, even the ones who claim they do. 07:01.880 --> 07:14.180 So it's almost like you're like wasting your breath and then I think a lot of the flat earth model came from flat earthers when you know Glover say well what about this. 07:14.720 --> 07:22.920 What do you how do you explain the spaces of vacuum and then we have a gas pressure has atmosphere so there must be a dome right yeah there has to be. 07:23.340 --> 07:24.980 Well who said spaces of vacuum. 07:25.760 --> 07:27.060 Yeah, exactly. 07:27.660 --> 07:34.240 And who's to say that this is even pressurized because that's the thing when you look at weather balloon information. 07:34.820 --> 07:37.180 As you go up an altitude you lose pressure. 07:38.120 --> 07:48.020 Like you literally lose that that which in a in a in a propellant based economy of movement that we're in. 07:48.020 --> 07:52.540 Like once you don't have anything to push off of your propellant is useless. 07:53.000 --> 08:02.560 So like when you go up when you get past it when you get into the tropo troposphere and keep going higher and higher and higher you get to less and less and less pressure. 08:03.080 --> 08:10.300 So the pressurized pizza dome thing doesn't make any sense to me at all because in fact the pressure is very local to the mantle. 08:10.880 --> 08:16.100 It's not really all that all that high up so I'm with you on that observation. 08:16.100 --> 08:21.080 Yeah, you know and there's a lot of things like that so there must be a dome. 08:21.840 --> 08:31.500 The sun and moon must be real things circling around us overhead at one altitude you know it it's like that's not what's going on in my opinion at all. 08:31.740 --> 08:34.360 Now again I don't claim to know what's going on. 08:34.860 --> 08:38.920 But what I do what what I've kind of done in part three is. 08:39.900 --> 08:47.420 I've spent a lot of time showing that the plane of inertia we live on the ground will call it the ground. 08:47.940 --> 08:50.680 Aside from the mountains and valleys all that it's flat. 08:51.160 --> 09:00.180 It's flat up down left right and around there's that it's where we live in a sphere not on a the surface of a sphere. 09:00.180 --> 09:11.460 And that's demonstrably it's provable and I've done that in years so what I'm saying is, I don't care if these guys saw 24 hour light in the sky and wherever they think they were not. 09:11.880 --> 09:17.640 That doesn't take away all of the proofs that the ground is flat demonstrably. 09:18.660 --> 09:19.980 Yes, the end. 09:20.780 --> 09:27.380 So it doesn't one one experience that five guys have doesn't take away all of the other facts. 09:27.380 --> 09:28.780 It doesn't. Yes. 09:29.620 --> 09:37.380 It just you don't understand the sky. And again there are like you know, what's his name Leslie. 09:38.280 --> 09:51.560 There are quite a lot of models of what might be going on in the heavens in the toroidal field model count counter rotations breathing it and out you know there's quite there's quite a lot of things that could explain that. 09:52.560 --> 09:53.400 Shockingly though. 09:54.460 --> 10:07.340 I've been looking at all the polar expedition since the late 1500s they stopped them in the late 1800s 1875 because they sailed around the equivalent of 60,000 miles. 10:07.960 --> 10:16.300 Now Antarctica is supposed to be 10,800 miles around at the Antarctic Circle. That's 60 whatever degrees south latitude. 10:16.300 --> 10:29.360 These ships couldn't find a South Pole and they were going the three times around five times around you like and encyclopedia pedia Britannica in 1889 says it was proven not to exist. 10:29.480 --> 10:32.760 And governments gave up because they were spending millions of dollars. 10:34.580 --> 10:43.420 Then, then strangely, nobody has ever mentioned a 24 hour sun, even the polar expeditions. I read Scott's journal. 10:44.380 --> 10:48.460 Ammons I've read all the journals from the people who sailed in as far as they could. 10:48.460 --> 10:59.600 They never mentioned it. In fact, I've got a letter from a professor who says no at one latitude it certainly gets dark further like, not dark but twilight the sun's out of the sky. 11:00.080 --> 11:10.560 And then I've got like Scott's journal the guy who allegedly goes to the South Pole for the Brits. He's saying oh, we can find like you can just barely read by light tonight. 11:10.560 --> 11:23.560 You're like what do you mean like just barely reading a 24 hour sun or tomorrow morning this night the next day. They're talking night day night day this that there does seem to be like a twilight at a certain time. 11:23.680 --> 11:36.580 But you would think some expedition scientific would mention a 24 hour sun they have like a pro meteorologist as their second charge right. There's no mention of it ever. 11:38.020 --> 11:51.220 So I'm not even really sure there is one down there you know I'm like well somebody should have said, and it's, you know the more I picked the story and look into the details, it all just looks fake like the moon landing anyway. 11:51.220 --> 11:54.340 Now if there is really a 24 hour sun. 11:55.260 --> 12:13.220 Then that opens up all the different possibilities for to right of field earth, you know, etheric earth, or inverse of the inner toroid stars going out. That's the other thing is like we're told the southern, the southern cross right. 12:13.220 --> 12:24.260 We're told there are different stars in the north and the south they're not it's the same stars it's just the outer stars are the inner stars stretched out and moving at a different angle. 12:24.740 --> 12:35.320 So they draw different constellations over the same stars which are reversed moving the other way, and say they're different, but they're not like when you take a star trail from the equator. 12:35.940 --> 12:47.540 You're looking east you see the two pole stars but the one on the left of the north has tight circles around Polaris, and the one on the right gets like these oblong wider arcs. 12:47.540 --> 12:54.520 Now how can if how if you run a globe and the pole stars are 90 degrees left and right. 12:55.220 --> 12:56.600 How can 180 right. 12:56.600 --> 13:01.560 Yeah across 90 to the north pole and 90 to the south south pole. 13:02.300 --> 13:07.400 How can you be filming do east on the equator and see both star poles in the same picture. 13:07.920 --> 13:11.320 You wouldn't be able to know you can't. 13:11.640 --> 13:15.260 But it's we have, we have pictures as we film it like it's real. 13:16.060 --> 13:18.660 So what's that that doesn't work on a ball. 13:19.400 --> 13:27.740 So you know the thing what I'm saying is I don't claim to know how the lights work but I can tell you they don't work like the ball says they do. 13:28.300 --> 13:28.820 Right. 13:29.480 --> 13:30.200 Yeah, right. 13:30.560 --> 13:35.240 And they don't work and they don't work like David Weiss's model works either. 13:36.240 --> 13:45.220 So that that's where I think in David Weiss I have great respect for his app is cool as all get out but the. 13:46.070 --> 14:01.900 To do the star trail thing the way that app has it set up is inaccurate also like I think it's just tracking the sun and the moon but like the people that have done sort of the seek Hindu way of stacking. 14:01.900 --> 14:16.080 You know the seven heavens above that like the different firmament layers I guess you could say from a Christian context above where the sun and the moon are that's not accurate either. 14:16.400 --> 14:18.720 That doesn't that doesn't play out. 14:18.800 --> 14:23.200 And that's why I have a tendency to go more realm earth. 14:24.180 --> 14:27.360 Because there are so many there's so many. 14:27.600 --> 14:48.480 I I've tried to bring this up to everybody anybody who would like actually would have seen it in 2017 but in 2017 Steve, there were three solar scientists on three different continents that filmed in track the sun with those solar telescopes. 14:48.480 --> 15:00.240 Now I was actually talking to Crow triple seven about this and he had seen it back in the day also when I did they tracked it and then they threw all the data they they data dumped into a supercomputer. 15:01.180 --> 15:13.300 Each one of these atheist solar scientists became a became a devout Christian after that because what they saw when they number crunched was that the sun was local. 15:13.960 --> 15:29.040 And that the sun appears on a 13 mile arc sometimes that 13 mile arc can be depending on when you're standing on the ground and this is like, you know the connection between we are the bridge between father sky and mother earth. 15:29.440 --> 15:40.320 When our feet are on the ground, we have anywhere from a 13 to 20 mile arc that we can observe of the sun. 15:41.160 --> 15:45.080 Wherever you are in the world that arc is dependent on you the observer. 15:45.960 --> 16:01.300 And that blows people's minds like like to tell somebody that like we had 100 people over at our house during last year's great solar eclipse like we had the we had the we were only like 50 miles from its maximum. 16:01.900 --> 16:15.400 And so we had a great way of watching on April 28 the solar eclipse got to see it at our house and everything like that boiled a lot of vinegar to punch a hole in this in the clouds. 16:15.820 --> 16:17.700 And we watched it and it was awesome. 16:17.700 --> 16:18.780 We had a great time. 16:18.900 --> 16:20.340 There was no doom or whatever. 16:20.340 --> 16:32.260 But the the the whole thing was is we were talking about it is each one of us has our own personal experience with these luminaries. 16:32.700 --> 16:49.320 And we call collectively these luminaries this or we call it collectively that but these luminaries are not an objective experience that everybody is having and then I'm an astrologer. 16:49.320 --> 16:51.640 So I know this. 16:52.100 --> 16:55.120 The reason why astrology works is because it's personal to you. 16:57.680 --> 16:58.800 I think you're on mute. 16:59.440 --> 17:00.220 Okay, there you go. 17:00.560 --> 17:00.820 Yeah. 17:01.280 --> 17:02.460 Yeah, I'm on mute when you're talking. 17:03.300 --> 17:04.400 Yes, exactly. 17:04.760 --> 17:16.460 And we all know that anyway, because you know when you go standing around a lake with your friends at sunset, you see the sun over the water that little straight beam comes right at you. 17:16.460 --> 17:20.540 You don't see it coming at your wife or your friend down the beach and they don't see it coming at you. 17:21.080 --> 17:21.520 Right. 17:21.520 --> 17:23.360 Everyone has a personal experience. 17:23.640 --> 17:26.000 Also that light comes in a straight line. 17:26.160 --> 17:27.620 You have the sun in a straight line. 17:28.020 --> 17:34.020 If you go take a light bulb around light over water, it will fan out like this. 17:34.180 --> 17:35.100 It would be crepuscular. 17:36.120 --> 17:41.100 It only comes straight in a straight line on a straight surface because the water straight. 17:41.100 --> 17:47.340 Now a scientist could put 50,000 people along the edge of that lake and say, what do you see? 17:47.520 --> 17:50.860 I see a line coming right at me like, and they all say that. 17:51.000 --> 17:57.100 So he concludes the whole lake is lit up yellow because 50,000 people standing next to each other's data adds up. 17:57.640 --> 18:01.100 Then you go across the lake to the people with their back to the sunset. 18:01.540 --> 18:02.720 And they go, what are you talking about? 18:02.820 --> 18:03.460 The lake's black. 18:03.820 --> 18:04.220 It's dark. 18:04.480 --> 18:05.780 It's already sunset, right? 18:07.280 --> 18:13.520 You're each having the, that's the I am the letter I is the sun, the little letter I is that the sun with the light on the water. 18:14.020 --> 18:17.360 And that's the Bible says I am the alpha and omega. 18:18.800 --> 18:30.420 So wherever you are, the sun in the sky, if you film it and trace it, the farthest it is from you at sunrise, it will go straight up in the air on an arc on an 18:30.420 --> 18:31.040 appearance. 18:31.760 --> 18:34.720 It'll hit its azimuth and then it'll go straight down. 18:35.000 --> 18:35.780 That's the letter A. 18:35.880 --> 18:37.040 That's where we get the letter A. 18:37.120 --> 18:37.740 I am the alpha. 18:38.520 --> 18:41.880 So from your experience of the sun, it's the alpha, the A. 18:42.480 --> 18:47.580 From the sun's experience, it's the omega, the circle overhead looking down over everybody. 18:48.160 --> 18:50.220 But everyone is having their own alpha. 18:50.380 --> 18:52.900 You and I will never have that same sun experience. 18:53.400 --> 18:54.640 So it's what you're saying. 18:54.780 --> 18:56.180 We're interactive with it. 18:57.400 --> 19:01.800 But again, we keep trying to say, well, it's a fireball because they say it. 19:02.600 --> 19:05.960 So we have to explain like, because they're like, well, how do you explain this? 19:06.160 --> 19:09.900 You know, and you're like, well, how, why do I have to explain that? 19:09.980 --> 19:11.840 How do we know what you're saying is even right? 19:12.440 --> 19:13.360 So that's what I mean. 19:13.480 --> 19:16.660 A lot of the flat earth model is based on bullshit too. 19:16.880 --> 19:24.480 That's, we're just trying to appease the, the, you know, the newness and Adam is like, I don't think that's what's going on at all. 19:24.480 --> 19:25.520 I'm more with you. 19:26.280 --> 19:26.680 Yeah. 19:27.160 --> 19:29.320 I think there's a toroidal field breathing in. 19:29.640 --> 19:36.360 I think what we call the sun, moon, stars and planets that are clearly going through that belt between the tropics. 19:38.360 --> 19:45.020 I said it, I think I wasn't sure if it was you or chance, but I do a gig in this club, right? 19:45.020 --> 19:47.740 They put on like a disco ball light, right? 19:48.260 --> 19:50.940 Now where I'm standing, I can see the lights flying around the room. 19:51.080 --> 19:53.460 There's a big mirror on the left of the wall. 19:53.840 --> 19:57.920 When I look in that mirror, the lights are going the opposite way and they're wider. 19:58.520 --> 19:59.420 Same star field. 20:01.040 --> 20:03.860 Totally totally different perception from where I'm standing. 20:04.100 --> 20:04.460 You know what I mean? 20:04.540 --> 20:05.540 And someone else over there. 20:06.520 --> 20:07.700 Same, same source. 20:07.980 --> 20:10.300 And I think that's more what's going on. 20:10.640 --> 20:12.000 Now, I know what you mean with the Weiss model. 20:12.120 --> 20:13.720 Do you mean, I can't remember the guy's name. 20:13.720 --> 20:20.740 There are people who say, well, the source of the sun is outside of this dome, firmament, right? 20:20.900 --> 20:27.760 And when you shine a light from the outside, that can cause like a reflection of it to circle around the, the ice wall. 20:28.200 --> 20:29.440 Is that the one you mean? 20:30.220 --> 20:43.700 The detractors of the Weiss model is essentially, because he's shown it a couple of times online where when he models, he's essentially modeling things exactly the way the seeks in the hinge. 20:43.700 --> 20:46.140 You can do faith, like the way they model everything. 20:46.800 --> 20:48.520 You have your flat terrain. 20:49.300 --> 20:50.220 Terra's flat. 20:51.100 --> 20:53.280 And then you have the sun and the moon. 20:53.580 --> 20:57.820 They're doing their different timing as they're, as they're circling around between 20:58.600 --> 21:01.180 Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn. 21:01.660 --> 21:04.320 And then above that he's has a star field. 21:05.210 --> 21:18.780 And so when he's had different people challenge him about that, like that, that's an inaccurate model because the star field is different on one part of the hemisplane relative to the other part of the hemisplane. 21:19.640 --> 21:33.360 There hasn't been like a full, I guess you'd say, programming language created for his app to actually show accurately what star field will be 21:33.360 --> 21:36.160 and in which part of the hemisplane. 21:36.940 --> 21:39.140 I think people are being a little bit too nitpicky. 21:39.440 --> 21:42.580 It's like, it's like that's a lot of programming language. 21:42.680 --> 21:55.580 If I, if I was to think of it, you know, like what that app is good for is essentially breaking the conditioning of the fact that we're a billiard ball, you know, rifling through space. 21:57.060 --> 22:13.140 I have seen better models online where actually shows it shows the star field, especially the way the sun and the moon is going to react to you relative to where you are on the planet. 22:13.320 --> 22:16.260 And I forget the name of the computing language. 22:16.460 --> 22:23.500 It has this really cool name to it where essentially converges everything on you, the observer. 22:24.700 --> 22:28.520 And that to me is exactly what we experience. 22:29.420 --> 22:39.420 That is, that is how it would be. And depending on when you are as well and where you exactly, because if you think about a toroidal field, right? 22:40.000 --> 22:41.820 The inside is a hyperbole. 22:41.940 --> 22:44.060 It's an hourglass, right? 22:44.060 --> 22:50.860 It moves one way and then the donut, if you want to call it or the toroid on the outside, it's just the opposite. 22:51.240 --> 22:53.000 They're inverse of each other, right? 22:53.700 --> 22:56.040 So the ones move in one way, the ones move in the other. 22:56.220 --> 23:03.240 So the star field, whatever those are, they're moving one way constantly inside the hyperbole. 23:03.300 --> 23:06.360 Now how high or low is up for debate or if they're even there. 23:07.500 --> 23:10.700 But, you know, it's just not a some kind of other effect. 23:10.700 --> 23:14.040 But the same thing will reverse and go out. 23:14.180 --> 23:20.260 Now, a toroidal field is also moving, what do you call that Fibonacci sequence, right? 23:20.860 --> 23:25.260 It's spiraling, but it's also moving in and out in a vortex and around. 23:25.840 --> 23:27.860 And that's where we can't wrap our minds around. 23:28.660 --> 23:35.900 So they're like breathing, right? They're contracting in and out as it's spinning up reverse. 23:36.800 --> 23:46.000 So there could be times in the year where the outer inverse or X-verse, whatever that is of the inner thing, they can overlap a little bit. 23:46.460 --> 23:53.720 And that can create even that can create constellations we think are there that aren't that can be seen at certain times, right? 23:54.060 --> 24:00.320 Like there's a whole lot more to this that I don't think you can simplify on a computer model. 24:01.260 --> 24:03.980 Yeah, I don't think it's static at all. 24:03.980 --> 24:17.360 Like just because I've I've been watching the sky like I took a Celestics course, which is real sky observance of the mythopoetic way of creating constellations. 24:17.880 --> 24:22.880 And it's very obvious you watch the sky for any given period of time. 24:23.180 --> 24:28.940 It starts to communicate with you like it starts to communicate directly with you. 24:28.940 --> 24:37.680 It's just been waiting for your eyes without you projecting on it that all this stuff is quadrillions of miles away and it's already dead. 24:37.840 --> 24:51.980 Dead starlight that is is still traveling like all these stories that we were given were to actually disconnect us from the from the Maseroth from the living like we are the living 24:51.980 --> 24:59.380 concretion of this living cause that like when I say cosmos I'm not talking about Carl Sagan's cosmos. 24:59.720 --> 25:05.220 I'm just literally saying like this this whole thing that we're in is alive. 25:05.780 --> 25:16.960 And it and we are a concentration of these different geometries that each one of us can only observe our geometry. 25:17.700 --> 25:24.560 Like I even if you and I had our heads together and we were feeling a little bit you know snugly and we are like looking up. 25:24.700 --> 25:27.040 We're not going to have the same geometry. 25:27.860 --> 25:38.720 And so when I'm talking to people about this from an astrological perspective I'm like as above so below is real because there is no in between the above and the below. 25:41.660 --> 25:44.660 Exactly you're you are a part of it and it's a part of you. 25:44.740 --> 25:48.620 In fact I've got a book called the secret teachings of the Rosa Crucians. 25:49.120 --> 26:04.760 And there's a question and answer section in there and the student says, what is the difference between Helio heliocentric astronomy and geocentric astrology not astronomy astrology. 26:04.760 --> 26:16.740 And in the student asked, is the heliocentric one spiritual and in the geocentric one more earth based and the Rosa Crucians themselves say no. 26:17.620 --> 26:30.500 Even funny in this book they say even though it was proven that the earth was actually around and you know that like the Copernican model, because they believe the scientism to that even though they're the oldest 26:30.500 --> 26:42.340 wisest secret society in the world, they bought the bullshit, but in the next breath, they say but we try to use the heliocentric astrology, and it doesn't work we can't predict anything. 26:42.480 --> 26:51.060 So we just end up using geocentric anyway, and we advise you the student to screw the scientism and use the geocentric one. 26:51.560 --> 26:57.100 So that's the Rosa Crucians saying astrology don't work under this Newtonian Copernican bullshit. 26:57.100 --> 27:07.340 So it was strange they even bought into believing it at this time. But you know that's how it goes like people buy the trends. 27:08.340 --> 27:17.660 Yes. Yeah, yeah, they go along to get along. And it's kind of interesting because I've come to find a lot of the Rosa Crucians stuff like the domes I build. 27:17.660 --> 27:31.680 Like the it's essentially the exaltation of Venus is the Phi times Pi. And like, there's so much of the Rosa Crucian aspecting of things that I really, really appreciate. 27:31.940 --> 27:39.880 But my goodness, try and tell the majority of boomers that they we didn't go to the moon and we're not rifling through space. 27:39.880 --> 27:51.700 They lose their shit because so much of their identity is based on, you know, the pride of we made it to the moon and like they just they can't go there for whatever reason. 27:52.580 --> 28:03.240 So the this is a we're in a really good time now because through observance and through observance and communication in real time with so many people from all around the world, 28:03.240 --> 28:22.820 you can prove things from an observational perspective so fast. And it, you know, the the the the lie of the religion of scientism is is really like, if you're if if a person is under the guise of scientism, 28:23.160 --> 28:29.220 it's more because they're they're either hypnotized or they're running in an entrainment program. 28:30.340 --> 28:33.920 It's not because their logical mind is actually working. 28:35.740 --> 28:50.760 Well, I mean, nobody has a logical mind anymore, very few people anyway. That's why they're the funny thing is tofer it's like, to me, that's why there are secret societies and have always been these dudes don't want to talk to us either. 28:51.480 --> 29:00.880 That's why they're hiding out in their buildings, because they don't have to talk to boomers in there. They get to talk to people who are on a search for this kind of knowledge. 29:01.460 --> 29:09.620 Now there are some bad apples in there but these secret societies get a bad name because people don't understand what they're doing or where they really came from. 29:09.620 --> 29:21.760 There are some bullshit ones but at their core they were against everything that's going on all the Jesuitism and religiousism that you know these are old Gnostic mystical hermetic schools. 29:23.220 --> 29:32.320 So that's why they're hiding they don't want to sit out in public talk. That's why you never see Freemasons in the Flat Earth movement right you're like where are they. 29:32.320 --> 29:44.180 They won't come out and talk about it because they don't want to talk to the monkeys. Just like a scientist won't tell elaborate how why he wants it to run the maze or how to get pointless right. 29:45.240 --> 29:53.520 He's like, I'm not even going to talk to you. So that's why we never see any of them, but I agree with you now we're all starting to figure it out because we have the internet. 29:54.160 --> 30:04.520 So people who would have never met each other 200 years ago from totally different fields you can see it even with like Gerald Pollock, Aline McCusek, Vita Austin with all the water. 30:05.240 --> 30:14.900 Suddenly we're starting to find stuff out like okay hang on wait wait wait wait this doesn't run like that. And that's all starting to match this metaphysical etheric earth thing too. 30:14.900 --> 30:20.320 You know it's coming together. That said, the majority of people out there. 30:21.880 --> 30:26.340 Like you say, you can't even tell them about the moon landing so. 30:27.380 --> 30:27.840 Yeah. 30:29.420 --> 30:37.300 It's the whole thing too is like the unearned knowledge thing is for real like beware of unearned knowledge and unearned wealth. 30:38.120 --> 30:42.260 Both will destroy you or have the capacity to. 30:42.980 --> 30:49.120 And that's the thing is like there's so few people that actually have gone through the rigors of experimentation. 30:50.040 --> 30:53.480 They don't actually deserve the information. 30:54.800 --> 31:03.660 Like that's the thing is like the people that I know like you and like I know like I actually my peers experiment my peers put in the time. 31:04.440 --> 31:12.980 We deserve we deserve the information I'll have I'll have some young buck come up to me and be like all enthusiastic. 31:13.740 --> 31:25.180 And literally I will take the time and I'll have the field experience to explain something and then they'll just turn around and misquote the shit out of me. 31:25.980 --> 31:32.420 And it's because they have no field experience no life experience they just have the enthusiasm of wanting to learn. 31:32.960 --> 31:37.820 And it's just like no no no you literally said the opposite of what I just told you. 31:38.040 --> 31:44.600 And you don't you don't even have the intelligence to know what you're doing like your enthusiasm is dog shit. 31:45.040 --> 31:48.700 If you're misquoting exactly what I'm telling you. 31:49.820 --> 31:58.060 Yeah it's like yeah it's seeking you shall find but then there's a lot of people it's it's what exactly what you're saying to for like. 31:58.900 --> 32:08.680 You can read everything but you can't just take everything's word at it either like we said even the Rosa Crucians are some stuff and they're like what you know there's a lot of bullshit even in that. 32:08.680 --> 32:14.140 But the real earnest student is on a mission themselves to know. 32:14.680 --> 32:25.540 So yes you look at everything and then you try to put your version not that there's your truth you know that's solipsism but you're trying to put your understanding or spin on everything. 32:25.940 --> 32:33.920 And if you're hungry and thirsty for knowledge you don't need teachers you are your own best teacher, all the best musicians I know are self taught. 32:34.780 --> 32:42.680 All the ones I know who went to these big academies and schools, they're great musicians but like they are not the artists they're not they're not the greatest. 32:43.160 --> 32:52.800 And I think it's like that you know there's people who they want to learn lazily they just just tell me what's really going on I trust you, you seem smart. 32:53.180 --> 32:57.620 And it's like that's not the point for me to seem smart the point is for you to get smart. 32:58.600 --> 33:06.960 Right like we all because we all you and me I don't know I can't I can't speak for you but I came out of college and school I was a dumbass. 33:07.480 --> 33:16.320 They done me right so I've been spending the last 20 whatever years of my life, trying to get smart again because they've done me that way the hell down. 33:17.800 --> 33:22.480 Yeah, I think I think that's the role of the Saturn return for people. 33:23.340 --> 33:36.420 Like Saturn is an auditor it's a spiritual auditor so if you're if you're maligned with lies if you're maligned with bad bad teachers and your consciousness is relative to that. 33:36.560 --> 33:42.500 When Saturn comes with his sickle and chops down your your idols. 33:43.340 --> 33:44.500 It's brutal. 33:45.420 --> 33:55.480 And then conversely like if that's not the case for you like if you've been diligent and you really are aligned with your creator and you really do want the earnest truth. 33:55.840 --> 34:00.620 You won't have idols of men you won't have idols of false prophets. 34:01.100 --> 34:06.020 So when the sickle comes to harvest your idols you're not you're not but her you know. 34:07.560 --> 34:13.980 Yeah, and I think you know you like you should get joy out of research you should want knowledge. 34:14.600 --> 34:21.020 Yeah, you know even would be well what does it matter if the earth is flat or if it's in a ball or whatever you know I like I talked with chance. 34:21.280 --> 34:27.480 They own the copyright on this joint they own the fake Gregorian calendar they own the fake mall and they own your fake name. 34:27.880 --> 34:33.540 So that's why you are paying taxes to them because you are making money off their fictional world. 34:34.500 --> 34:42.000 That's that's how it works and you should like if you're going out pretending to be their copyrighted character, making money you owe them cash dude. 34:42.400 --> 34:50.420 So you have to liberate yourself from the fake world the fake name. So this starts getting into all the law and contract you know there's a lot of ways this goes. 34:51.120 --> 34:58.200 You have to realize, yeah there's the calendar we use and date on all our contracts. That's one calendar. 34:58.200 --> 35:08.640 There are hundreds and hundreds of calendars around the world. So is today really that date no, but if you if you use that date legally then yeah you you're now in the fiction. 35:09.040 --> 35:21.600 If you think you're on the spinning ball and yeah you're in their world, because you're not really so you have to get off all their crap this this starts going into all different directions, but it's really about spiritually growing up. 35:22.080 --> 35:27.320 That's really what it to me when they what's a matter where you live it's like what do you mean what's it matter where you live. 35:29.920 --> 35:38.780 What matter on how can you not care where you live. Why don't you just if you don't care, go move to the slums go move to a favela what's a matter. 35:41.000 --> 35:47.340 Now it all matters that's the thing that's the that's the spiritual life as you come into it. 35:47.680 --> 35:57.880 It's almost like you're living the paradox where you're in this world but you're not of it yet all the small things in life every moment matters. 35:58.560 --> 36:16.020 Like I had I had a I had a mentor talk to me about this when I was in my early 20s and when he said it it hit like this has been a truism in my life he said out of all the trillions of possibilities that could be happening to you right now. 36:16.940 --> 36:21.960 What is the probability that this exact moment is occurring just as it was. 36:21.960 --> 36:36.820 And I had done enough statistics in college with my finance degree to know like oh my God that that's true like this moment happening as it is happening is a near impossibility from a statistical perspective. 36:37.620 --> 36:42.080 So for it to be happening means it's supposed to be happening. 36:43.280 --> 36:47.420 Yeah, there's no where you can be that isn't where you're meant to be that's the Beatles. 36:47.420 --> 36:57.100 Yeah, I mean that's yeah it is what it is like this is how it's supposed to be as rotten as it is for some people and as good and whatever. 36:57.420 --> 37:09.900 It's really hard to get over that or to accept that you know and if you do there are people in the truth community who are like oh that's not true that you don't just sit around and do nothing it's like whether you decide to do something or nothing. 37:09.900 --> 37:20.580 That's what you're supposed to do anyway. It doesn't mean everyone do nothing but there will be nothing doers and something doers, and there's going to be people suffering and there's going to be people enjoying. 37:21.140 --> 37:29.320 And there's going to be people who believe the earth is flat and people who believe it's a ball no matter what you show them and you know germs you just go down the list. 37:29.320 --> 37:38.780 There's squiggly people and wiggly people and you know there's particle people and wave people and the truth is there's no waves or particles it's it's somewhere and it's neither. 37:39.500 --> 37:48.060 But we're all like divided you know polarized, even, even in the what's we could call the etheric earth or to right or earth. 37:48.480 --> 37:58.680 There's in fighting going on now on our side you know what I mean really. Yeah, but we don't we're not globers and we don't like the flat earth model, but this is how it really is it's like you don't know. 37:59.420 --> 38:02.160 You don't know it's supposed to me it's supposed to be mystical. 38:03.140 --> 38:07.400 That's why it's all a wonder right like that's why they revered the stars and the luminaries. 38:07.400 --> 38:11.760 Because the smartest people on earth still don't know what the hell they are. 38:12.420 --> 38:21.140 And they're a miracle you're like how is that working. And to me that's also part of even looking into this whether you're a ball or a flatter or whatever you are. 38:22.180 --> 38:27.520 I look at the sky again with wonder I know the first 30 years of my life. 38:27.820 --> 38:35.620 I never looked up when I was walking home at night and go out look at the stars or you know when you start looking at tartaria and the buildings around I'm in Europe like. 38:35.620 --> 38:38.520 I never looked up at these buildings went Holy shit. 38:38.600 --> 38:39.120 Hang on. 38:39.200 --> 38:49.800 Now I love walking through town you know I'm looking at the roofs of everything like oh man yes I'm totally like here in the moment because I'm experiencing it. 38:50.040 --> 38:58.500 Instead of walking down the street you know even whatever I'm eating and thinking about work you know what I mean like I totally do. 38:59.380 --> 39:03.940 I totally do like I have much more wonder now than I did in my 20s. 39:04.120 --> 39:14.780 It's mainly because with like a little life experience and then being humbled having those false idols get you know thrashed out of my out of my experience. 39:15.140 --> 39:22.960 And then also having more shamanic experiences like my tendency is to hang out with Christian mystics and shamans. 39:22.960 --> 39:26.800 And the reason why is it's all a big experiment. 39:27.040 --> 39:30.560 It's an interactive experiment that God put us in. 39:31.040 --> 39:41.280 And so when you end up really watching the sky with the intent to like connect with the luminaries and then the luminaries start communicating directly with you. 39:41.280 --> 39:53.640 And then like you know like you want to connect in different ways using different substances or no substances or breathing deeply or bending your body a certain way. 39:53.840 --> 40:02.020 Or hearing the organ pipes in a real cathedral like all these ways of we're told are augmented reality. 40:02.400 --> 40:05.160 They're not really augmented reality. 40:05.160 --> 40:07.760 They're just literally your 12th house. 40:08.240 --> 40:18.680 They're the Piscian aspect of you the part of you that is acting as the bridge the rainbow bridge between Father Sky and Mother Earth. 40:18.880 --> 40:32.580 You know between the metaphysical and the physical like we have this dominion here to actually be able to contemplate the metaphysical and experience the metaphysical and then have that grounded out. 40:32.580 --> 40:40.160 And then the ground work through us to like actually make us wise because that's what the ground does. 40:40.440 --> 40:47.100 The ground acts as this way of like it's just like that scene when Morpheus in Neo in the first matrix. 40:47.380 --> 40:51.980 He's like I know kung fu and he's like oh you think you know kung fu show me. 40:52.520 --> 41:00.060 You know you don't know kung fu until you have the grounding aspect of walking and having your two feet on the earth. 41:00.060 --> 41:10.140 Where you're actually fighting the kung fu and it's no longer this concept is no longer something that's up there in the metaphysical imaginal realm. 41:10.160 --> 41:15.380 It's now planted into the earth and growing into something of substance. 41:15.380 --> 41:25.060 And so the wonder aspect of our of our of this journey is is tantamount. 41:25.220 --> 41:35.000 It's like the paramount aspect of our existence here because you know do you know who David Murphy is allegedly Dave. 41:35.440 --> 41:38.900 Oh yeah yeah he's great yeah we're not friends but I know him. 41:38.900 --> 41:45.340 Yeah so we did a podcast and I called it Imagination Trump's intention. 41:46.280 --> 41:56.140 And the reason why was through our through our three hour conversation it was so obvious that when you imagine something when you're taking this metaphysical thing. 41:56.640 --> 42:07.920 And like I like like we already brought up statistically even when you're imagining something do you know the statistical probabilities of why you can imagine what you can imagine. 42:07.920 --> 42:11.500 Relative to imagining it like technically infinity. 42:12.440 --> 42:20.840 It's like literally like you're you're imagining something you're you're pulling a variable out of an infinite sea of variables. 42:21.540 --> 42:22.180 Right. 42:22.440 --> 42:34.320 And everyone can do it and it can change. That's the all seeing I your it's not your pineal gland like people then you open up your pineal gland through some voodoo shaman magic. 42:34.320 --> 42:38.120 You can do that like there are you know there are techniques to do that. 42:38.380 --> 42:40.980 All the all seeing eyes your imagination. 42:41.780 --> 42:48.900 You can shut your eyes and imagine anything you want and see it right in your head in your mind's eye that left an I be single. 42:49.200 --> 42:53.220 They're not talking about physically opening it they're talking about imagining stuff. 42:53.520 --> 42:55.760 That's what creates and Disney. 42:56.280 --> 43:00.900 That's what Disney doesn't take your imagination they're like let us imagine everything for you. 43:00.900 --> 43:07.620 They're stealing your imagination because that's your all seeing I that's your creation and anything you can imagine. 43:07.820 --> 43:13.400 Since all his mind precipitated into body through different frequency realms. 43:13.600 --> 43:24.440 Then all this is mine like this pencil was a thought that yeah my blurs on this started out as some guy thinking about I need to make a little green pencil. 43:24.440 --> 43:30.260 Like that was an imagination everything is that phones like there's nothing here someone didn't imagine. 43:31.000 --> 43:42.260 Except the trees outside and maybe we all imagine that together to I don't even know like we ought to get real metaphysical but that's what's going on that's what they don't like is they take away our power they don't want us wondering imagining. 43:44.560 --> 43:48.820 Discovering realizing focusing pretending pondering. 43:48.820 --> 43:52.500 You know these are all words of creation of imagination. 43:52.940 --> 43:54.380 Even in your language. 43:54.800 --> 43:59.940 You can use these words like discover realize focus ponder when you talk to someone. 44:00.440 --> 44:04.560 You can open their imagination before you start presenting ideas. 44:05.220 --> 44:10.140 And it puts them in a receptive state in a creative state so it all is mine. 44:10.140 --> 44:15.160 All everybody is all the ancient said all his mind and light. 44:15.220 --> 44:18.120 I really think I think that's what charisma is. 44:18.260 --> 44:31.560 I think charisma because charisma as it's defined in in in the dictionary is it's like a gift given by God for giving other gifts something like that. 44:31.740 --> 44:36.500 I mean it sounds like chrism doesn't it charisma chrism it's the same word. 44:37.040 --> 44:38.840 What's chrism I don't know what chrism is. 44:38.840 --> 44:55.180 Well the chrism is Christ is light or light in spirit into body and the chrism or Christos is the oil you raise up through your Kundalini meditation and open up the dormant brain cells and pineal so that the Greek the Greeks changed it to oil. 44:56.120 --> 45:03.080 But it's not it's more in the old Irish gale guy where it comes from it means light or spirit in the man. 45:03.260 --> 45:04.780 So that's the chrism. 45:05.140 --> 45:15.460 And that's where you get charisma like there's these people who are like charismatic people they just light up the room don't they when they walk in like people you just can't help but notice them. 45:16.160 --> 45:22.680 They don't even say anything they just walk in the door they haven't even said a word everyone's like hey look who's here you know. 45:23.780 --> 45:33.340 Yeah that that energy what I see in it relative to this is that it actually it invokes others imagination. 45:34.940 --> 45:51.660 It invokes them to see through their through their third eye and it is a gift from God because God's using that as like a that being as a funnel to like turn on other people's all seeing I like to turn that on. 45:52.680 --> 46:05.960 Because like a lot of people it's interesting hearing like different people conversate and different people pervade information they might pervade information in a very technically nice way. 46:06.460 --> 46:14.560 But the way it's almost like their soul isn't invoking me to be able to see it. 46:15.120 --> 46:17.320 But when I listen to a charismatic. 46:19.600 --> 46:23.040 They could say anything and I can see it in my mind's eye. 46:24.440 --> 46:28.900 Yeah totally I think that the stars are that in the luminaries right. 46:30.400 --> 46:38.000 If if you were just born knowing everything if God just puts you on earth and just well what's the how does the sun work all like this you know how everything works. 46:38.000 --> 46:41.840 Your brain will atrophy because he won't use it. 46:42.300 --> 46:46.540 You won't need to wonder or imagine or anything you know everything you're not going to use your brain. 46:46.720 --> 46:48.060 You'll just be atrophied. 46:48.460 --> 46:58.640 I think the luminaries are part that it's to make man and woman look up and wonder what the hell is that and get your imagination flowing your curiosity or juices you know. 47:00.220 --> 47:02.080 I think that's what it's all for. 47:02.340 --> 47:02.940 It's wonderful. 47:03.780 --> 47:06.600 That's where the word wonderful comes in because it makes you wonder. 47:07.020 --> 47:10.180 It makes you imagine it opens up your third eye. 47:11.160 --> 47:12.840 I think that's what it all is. 47:12.960 --> 47:15.520 I don't think we're even supposed to know how it works. 47:16.000 --> 47:17.360 I think that would ruin it. 47:18.500 --> 47:20.720 Yeah there's a wonderful saying in the Bible. 47:21.300 --> 47:27.260 It's like it's God's glory to hide a thing and it's the king's glory to to to seek it out. 47:28.560 --> 47:29.780 To seek it out. 47:30.000 --> 47:35.480 Yeah and they do say seek and you shall find but it doesn't mean you'll fully understand the glory of it right. 47:36.020 --> 47:36.420 Exactly. 47:36.420 --> 47:46.680 It's the search and the wonder of the glory that brings you to God because once you wonder how God's creation works you open your imagination. 47:47.060 --> 47:47.760 I shouldn't do that. 47:47.860 --> 47:49.040 People like he's illuminati. 47:49.540 --> 47:52.640 He's making triangles on his forehead. 47:53.280 --> 47:56.360 That opens you up to the God mind and brings down the light. 47:56.620 --> 48:00.560 Yeah the care is the chrism of the chrism the Christ the light spirit in the body. 48:01.220 --> 48:12.680 That's exactly what it is and I think that's the whole point of the luminaries and I think the problem with all the scientism Jesuitism Copernicum all this bullshit. 48:13.580 --> 48:20.720 They're like we know everything we know everything this is we want to know the nuts and bolts of how it works and we don't want any wonder. 48:20.720 --> 48:22.400 We want it all explained. 48:22.760 --> 48:36.080 And then you're like well that's funny because all your science are theories theory of gravity gravity big big theory term theory you just go through all their sciences you're like for people who claim to know it all you sure do have a lot of theories. 48:37.380 --> 48:50.380 Yeah, it's like it's like big medicine is you know go to their practice like I don't want somebody practicing on me like even as a little kid that sounded so weird it was like oh they have a medical practice. 48:50.380 --> 48:58.740 They're literally the liability shield is right there and what they're what they're telling you that we're just practicing the standard of care. 48:58.980 --> 49:02.780 We don't know if it's going to work, but we're practicing it. 49:03.600 --> 49:03.980 Totally. 49:04.440 --> 49:07.320 I think we're all doing that for everything that's what we're doing here. 49:07.640 --> 49:19.280 We're practicing everything and experiencing and you know yourself building like you know your first dome probably was okay and suck but you know I'm sure you're crushing it now just like you know the first. 49:19.280 --> 49:22.380 Yes song I ever played on guitar I'm sure it was rubbish. 49:24.100 --> 49:34.300 You get better as you practice and learn and make mistakes so I think that that's what it's all about and this whole flat earth first globe shit to me. 49:35.060 --> 49:37.840 Antarctica is it real or not Antarctica is not real. 49:38.580 --> 49:41.540 It's not real because it's provable the earth is flat. 49:42.460 --> 49:48.360 So the only way that you can have a continent made out of ice at the bottom of a ball is if you're on a ball. 49:48.540 --> 49:52.060 And if you're not on a ball, then there can't be a continent down there. 49:52.360 --> 49:59.700 Now we can debate is it the ice ring or not this and that, but it doesn't even matter like having this argument with people like that is stupid. 50:00.300 --> 50:05.140 They don't want imagination and you won't wonder so why are you even associating with them. 50:05.620 --> 50:06.720 Like sitting around. 50:07.000 --> 50:07.380 That's true. 50:07.420 --> 50:07.920 There's fighting. 50:08.220 --> 50:10.440 Let's fight the Globes in the ball. 50:11.440 --> 50:13.040 What's, let's fucking not. 50:13.820 --> 50:17.300 How about I'll make some movies with my opinion and take it or leave it. 50:17.380 --> 50:24.120 I don't tell me to screw off if you want, but you know, like, I'll show you what I found and thinking you tell me I'm not the arbitrator of your belief. 50:25.140 --> 50:27.500 So you're you're a good person to ask. 50:28.220 --> 50:29.120 I am. 50:30.260 --> 50:35.160 I'm of the mind that we're at the end of the call you go from a timing perspective. 50:36.240 --> 50:39.640 Because I'm somewhat of a purist because I do look at the sky. 50:40.380 --> 50:47.640 I do see that the sun on the spring equinox is rising in the constellation of of Pisces. 50:48.440 --> 50:51.460 So I think we're still in the age of Pisces. 50:51.460 --> 50:53.140 So I'm old school. 50:53.700 --> 50:59.620 Wherever the sun is rising at the spring equinox, that lets me know what age we're in. 50:59.800 --> 51:06.680 And it takes a very long time to process through through Pisces because Pisces is quite large in the sky, the constellation. 51:07.580 --> 51:10.000 And I know my Maseroth very well. 51:10.360 --> 51:19.460 I studied both aerobatic massage, which teaches us that the Maseroth is directly reflected in the body for those of you that don't know what the Maseroth is. 51:19.460 --> 51:22.580 The Maseroth is the plane ecliptic. 51:23.540 --> 51:30.180 And there are technically 13 constellations on the plane ecliptic. 51:30.700 --> 51:31.240 There are. 51:31.720 --> 51:32.900 There isn't 12. 51:33.080 --> 51:35.080 There's 13 in their varying sizes. 51:35.540 --> 51:44.660 And when you look at how that mirrors in our body, there are 13 distinct aspects, you know, that have been pared down to 12. 51:44.800 --> 51:47.100 I love your cell salts talks. 51:48.340 --> 51:53.300 I'd love to see what you think Ophiuchus is from a cell salt perspective. 51:53.740 --> 51:56.360 Well, you've got that with the sun, too. 51:56.540 --> 51:59.360 You've got the 12 apostles, but they're still Jesus, right? 51:59.500 --> 52:00.560 So you've got the sun. 52:00.720 --> 52:01.100 Exactly. 52:01.580 --> 52:03.860 You have to take the sun is number 13. 52:04.260 --> 52:10.200 Now, where I'm different from you, I'm not even totally convinced there's a procession of the equinoxes, but neither am I. 52:10.580 --> 52:15.360 I'm just using astronomical terms that I don't believe in the priest. 52:15.360 --> 52:17.460 I don't believe in the priestess either. 52:18.240 --> 52:26.300 I'm just saying like it from because I always have to straddle the fence when I tell people I'm a real sky astronomer slash astrologer. 52:26.300 --> 52:28.820 I have to use terminology that they use. 52:29.240 --> 52:44.360 So technically, I'm not even under the I don't even know if saying, hey, you're in a specific age because the sun is rising in that constellation. 52:44.360 --> 52:49.700 I'm open to, hey, if there's another way to tell us what age we're in. 52:50.280 --> 52:50.620 Great. 52:51.260 --> 52:59.560 But I'm measuring my experience relative to the actual what I actually observe in the sky relative to what I read about the ages. 53:00.240 --> 53:14.220 And when I was in when I was learning Ayurvedic massage, I was reading the pudanas and the pudanas are very distinct in their description of what the Kali Yuga is with the Satya Yuga is what the Dwarpa Yuga is. 53:14.220 --> 53:27.100 And what what they say the Kali Yuga is is what I interpret the what the Westerners would think the iron age is what they were saying is exactly what I'm experiencing. 53:27.120 --> 53:36.860 They said in the Kali Yuga everything it becomes gamified, which to me is a as a way of saying everything becomes the gamble. 53:36.860 --> 53:49.900 Everything's gambling and in that the quality of things diminishes because everything is about winning or losing and is gamified. 53:50.400 --> 54:04.080 And we see this like you were in an insurance guy, like you know, like when they're doing actuaries in a way, the house has a book on you and the house is saying, okay, the house always wins. 54:04.080 --> 54:17.080 We know your actuaries are XYZ. So they're the ones that are underwriting the securities and the securities are the ones that are underwriting the banks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, as the world turns. 54:17.580 --> 54:28.640 So we actually have proof in point that we live in a gamified civilization where quality is diminishing. 54:28.640 --> 54:49.120 And it's almost like there's an overkill in the communication way of things where you can get this Blitzkrieg of information, get all this data, do no experimentation and come to wrong results because you think, oh, the data, the the map is the terrain. 54:49.480 --> 54:51.380 It couldn't be further from the truth. 54:52.580 --> 54:53.060 Yeah. 54:53.080 --> 55:09.400 So where, where do you think we are like, if you were to give us a timing, do you do you even, you know, think that there is such a thing as like a Kali Yugo or a Satya Yugo or any of that type of stuff like, what's your what's your cosmology in that regard. 55:10.120 --> 55:26.040 Yeah, I think I look at a different about the you as far as the zodiac like, I don't use the stars I use the the 12 energy frequencies in the sky in other words, on March 21, let's say we didn't have a calendar or stars in the sky. 55:26.040 --> 55:39.980 If the sun rises over that mountain to your east, you know, you're like every March 21 the sun's over that mountain. I don't give a shit what constellations behind it right beforehand it's the sun on March 21 always going to rise over that mountain. 55:39.980 --> 55:55.340 The sun ain't going to move from the mountain just because the stars behind it process. That's always been the same. So to me that's Aries not the constellation behind it, that energy from that time of year when the sun rises on that mountain, or in the morning in the day. 55:55.340 --> 56:18.040 So that's what I see as the 12 fixed energy signals, and then the moon's doing its spirals to. So I see those as like notes on a piano, the base chord and then the melody running the top. And I see these frequencies every day, every hour, every month, every year are really the 12 energy so they don't really have to do with the constellations. 56:18.040 --> 56:19.280 The you guys. 56:20.440 --> 56:31.240 I don't know where they get these massive long periods, you know, I'm not sure how they have records of people being around so long, but what they say about them. I'm with you. 56:31.900 --> 56:39.760 Something's going on. I don't care if you call it a you go or what do you know the age of age of Aquarius. I don't think it's, I don't care what you call it. 56:40.560 --> 56:49.660 Something's happening right now. And this thing happens a lot like when you read about like the fall of civilizations in the fall of Rome right before the money crashes. 56:50.420 --> 56:58.200 Celebrity chefs and Rome chefs became celebrities and like ancient Roman Greece right before the fall you know as their society and decayed. 56:58.200 --> 57:02.740 They had Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver and all this shit like the same stuff we got. 57:03.440 --> 57:22.760 People were like idolizing nonsense bullshit like you're saying and it is like, I don't get into the Eschaton stuff like Terence McKenna and all that but or Huxley talked about this in the brave new world he said there there will come a time when we you're just so 57:22.760 --> 57:34.800 unundated with information that you can't care about any cause you know what I mean because you're paying attention like yeah you and you and I are close in age right how old are you Topher 49. 57:35.580 --> 57:45.620 Alright I'm 53 so you remember when the axon Valdez crashed like that oil tanker back in the yeah dude that was like front page news for like five months. 57:45.620 --> 57:49.200 It was almost like a year they were talking about it. 57:49.580 --> 57:50.020 Yeah. 57:50.280 --> 58:07.260 Do you remember the BP oil spill or Fukushima like where the next day there's a new one you know like you don't even give a shit about any of it anymore because it's moving so fast you're like what do you do save the whales and the no nukes like which aren't really there probably but 58:08.040 --> 58:12.780 what do you what do you care about and it's it's like you're saying it comes up what's kind of funny. 58:14.020 --> 58:18.620 What happens after the Cali you go then what's the next one like the golden age. 58:19.160 --> 58:23.500 Well I think I've been I think I've been Mandela affected. 58:24.680 --> 58:34.360 Because when I was coming up we were trained that there's only you start at the highest and it degrades to the lowest and then you start at the highest again. 58:35.140 --> 58:43.380 It's not it's not a rhythm where you go all the way to the lowest and then you then then you start to work your way up it's not like that. 58:43.380 --> 58:47.940 It's like a roller coaster like the edge you drop and then go right cranking up to the. 58:48.620 --> 58:59.800 It's the way we it's the way we see natural systems like your body you know grows until it doesn't and then it degrades and it dies and then you your soul takes a new body. 58:59.800 --> 59:10.940 It doesn't say hey let's reanimate this old body and let's oh yeah I know you mean like yeah it's like it dies and then you're born again and I. 59:11.160 --> 59:14.620 I tend to think that nature is the perfect mirror. 59:15.620 --> 59:25.960 And so like physical things they they have their their pen ultimate and then they they degrade and I think ages are like that too. 59:25.960 --> 59:32.900 And that's the way I was taught in in in area that like that that was the way I was taught. 59:33.140 --> 59:50.220 But now I see in that but at that time I was being taught they were also teaching the 13 constellations they were teaching 13 as being like the core of of how to like you know see the correspondence between. 59:51.120 --> 59:56.760 Our body and and the the the plane ecliptic essentially. 59:57.520 --> 01:00:06.540 Nowadays when you look into area of medic medicine it's 12 they only they've totally adopted the the tropical is a diacral system. 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:18.040 And they go no no no you go from you go from the iron age to the bronze age and I'm like am I taking crazy pills because that wasn't the way I was brought up. 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:23.960 So yours went right back to gold right like I just got shittiest to gold again and then. 01:00:24.140 --> 01:00:37.880 I see that like I have a biochar company like I make the I do the negretto phase and alchemy like I literally cook things down to where there's no no oils or salts in them. 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.020 In all your lap left with is terra preta you're left with the black carbon. 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:52.040 But that black carbon what do you get from that black carbon of the most diamagnetic material in the world that we know of. 01:00:52.240 --> 01:01:03.600 You get new life literally new life springs from that material more than anything it's not reanimating old shit it's literally like you're taking something. 01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:16.880 All the way you're accelerating the death process by getting rid of the oils in the salts in the in the water obviously so you're getting rid of the memory you're getting rid of the spirit and you're getting rid of anything. 01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:29.980 You're breaking it down to its most basic 666 element and then that 666 element has so much diamagnetism it breathes life into whatever you give it to. 01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:39.320 I was just going to say it sounds a lot like black you know the black on the Masonic checkerboard or Saturn and then you said 666 which is the Saturn to you. 01:01:39.820 --> 01:01:50.980 The black cube without the black is actually the true source because it is out of the darkness that all the light comes from it's out of nothing that stuff comes from. 01:01:50.980 --> 01:02:03.560 So people get the occult wrong and all you worship Saturn and the black and it's like the well the black is really the prime creator because the light comes out of it you know it's like of this world I'm not talking about. 01:02:03.820 --> 01:02:12.160 Walter Russell called the creation between the two though the still white invisible magnetic light but still invisible so that's black. 01:02:15.140 --> 01:02:19.120 So I see it I you know it's kind of like what you're saying with the you go so. 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.320 Like you're saying is really what we were just talking earlier it's really hard to just go shit it is what it is. 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:37.360 You know I got it there's like good bad ugly it's all well doesn't that kind of happen when everything keeps going crazier and crazier and getting more less meaningful and diminished. 01:02:37.980 --> 01:02:42.120 You pretty much have no choice just to go fuck it it is what it is. 01:02:42.120 --> 01:02:50.840 So you know what I mean this might be whether you call it Callie you got whatever this could be the catalyst how it works it just goes nuts ass nuts. 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:56.660 And then everyone's like fuck it man start up you know and then like we all just get cool. 01:02:57.300 --> 01:03:03.300 Because we're like this is awesome you know you're like this is all silly like everyone just as an awakening like this is silly. 01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:05.840 It just because it is getting silly. 01:03:06.520 --> 01:03:12.740 It's unfortunately it's serious silly like if you live in Gaza or something you know like you don't want to be there but do you believe in karma. 01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:16.920 I think. 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.380 So I don't think we're all equal. 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:28.540 I have the firm believer that many people are having many significantly different experiences. 01:03:29.420 --> 01:03:44.380 So I've been around people that their framework not only from their genetics but also their conditioning and their trauma cycles makes it so that they don't experience karma. 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.400 Like they literally don't have a conscience. 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:51.820 And so they're conscious being without a conscience. 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:56.420 They don't get any of the negative blowback. 01:03:57.200 --> 01:04:05.640 And then I know the then I know the I know the other side of it to where people have an incredible conscience. 01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:16.240 And they do one little thing that's outside of their moral relative framework and they get incredible instant karma feedback. 01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.480 And I don't think it's a universal. 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:30.800 I don't think that there's I think God is a very variable and wants to have lots of different variants in this experimentation called Earth. 01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:42.500 And now I could never know whether or not the person that doesn't have a conscience what what happens to them on a soul level or reincarnation level. 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:43.940 I don't pretend to know. 01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:58.340 But I do work with enough people in a very intimate way like especially with my massage practice where there are a lot of people that I'll say that there is a directly proportional scale. 01:04:58.340 --> 01:05:18.560 The more conscience that a person has the more karma they experience the less conscience a person has the less karma they experience which allows very, very evil actions to occur with the relative, you know, low karmic kickback. 01:05:18.560 --> 01:05:21.140 That's pretty interesting because I would. 01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:30.180 There's a lot of people believe that, you know, let's say you're bundy a serial killer you're just some psycho here is just evil galore. 01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:35.460 A lot of people think you would have to reincarnate and then pay back all that karmic debt. 01:05:35.460 --> 01:05:50.060 So, that's one believe and I'm saying well then, if that's the case and you reincarnate here, you have to have shit like Gaza, and the, you know, the Congo there's got to be places where you're going to suffer your ass off. 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:57.840 If that's how it works. Now, you can look at like Manly P Hall getting into the magical treatises and lectures on ethics of magic. 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:05.620 And what those Masonic things are shown is like, especially people who dabble in the black arts black magic. 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:21.360 They start to create your thoughts are creating like what you call egregors or non soul entities in the astral plane so you're creating like these weird, I guess you could call them demons if you want, even though demon used to be a positive word not a bad word in the old days but 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:30.100 Yeah, daemon daemon. Yeah, but you're creating these entities that don't have souls like you or spear but they are in the astral. 01:06:31.080 --> 01:06:40.840 And when people start dabbling in black magic or start to have real low vibrations and frequency. These fuckers attached to you and they're also hovering quite a lot. 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:48.980 Allegedly, according to the mystery schools. They want people who are vibrating really high they're waiting to get in they want to PC you. 01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:55.080 So it's like the bright people actually have a lot more of this shit floating around waiting for the fall. 01:06:55.660 --> 01:07:04.000 You know what I mean and that's what you're saying like it's the low conscious people where these things get in and it's like that's why they're not conscious they don't have the light. 01:07:04.680 --> 01:07:07.020 It's it's almost like possession really. 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:15.000 Yeah it is. Yeah, I've seen it and I've dealt with it like I've dealt with it. I've dealt with walk ins. 01:07:15.640 --> 01:07:32.000 I've dealt with people that were channeling and I saw like the whole schizophrenic like complete complete body change the the the facial dysmorphia that occurred with that on like hundreds of occasions. 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:48.880 Not like I was in an ashram where that we were practicing Siddha yoga and in Siddha yoga you're dealing with cities you're dealing with things with extracurricular capacities and so seeing supernatural things were kind of like a. 01:07:49.260 --> 01:08:00.060 And they were it was invited into my experience and it's not it's not necessarily the most beneficial thing to experience I don't I don't recommend it to people these days. 01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:14.460 They tell you in these old magic books dude they say, don't go to say on says man because these things are hanging or that's really where they're at like, they're waiting for someone in that room to get into you know like, you're just going out of curiosity you got to make 01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:29.040 sure you're vibrating I mad because you're you're messing with stuff you don't understand, especially people who astral travel and they're in their homes and they're like these dark creatures shadows are flying around attaching me it's like dude, you don't belong there you shouldn't be out there 01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:32.280 unless you can get out of that like don't be fucking with this. 01:08:33.140 --> 01:08:46.800 It took me multiple years to dislodge myself from all the the hooks all the astral hooks that were in the space and actually just happened to me the other day oddly enough when you're dealing with pregnant women. 01:08:47.400 --> 01:09:01.760 Pregnant women are portals and in their portals are good and bad obviously they're a portal for the new soul that that they're gestating within them but there's other things that are around them. 01:09:02.380 --> 01:09:26.300 You know, and I, yeah, I dealt with that and I totally forgot to cleanse my field after because I felt it and I addressed it and I dealt with it in the space, but I totally forgot to like, you know, totally do like the the full scan and and swipe at the end of my day. 01:09:26.300 --> 01:09:53.580 And then I get this weird fever and pressure headaches that I never got before it get all this other stuff that occurs I get like this I thing conjunctivitis that I've never had before in my life and I was just like, and then I was just I was going through and I was like when did all this start and I was like oh my God I did not clean my field after after dealing with this one client. 01:09:53.580 --> 01:10:00.000 And then I get this email like literally from her husband describing that her mother just died. 01:10:01.280 --> 01:10:18.260 And I was like, what, like, like, and so all that I'm not saying it's a I can never prove whether or not it was a one to one, you know thing but I have dealt with like actually hands on healing with people for close to 30 years. 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.460 And there's a lot of transference that occurs. 01:10:21.860 --> 01:10:31.740 And I've known for a good 20 plus years how to like ground and like clean my field that particular night, I didn't. 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:37.960 And then I have all these symptoms of this thing like moving through my system. 01:10:39.200 --> 01:10:52.800 And I just thought it was me like as as you do like you don't like I won't speak for anybody else but I've made the mistake a lot of times just to be like, oh this is a physical symptom from a physical whatever. 01:10:53.420 --> 01:10:54.960 And it wasn't. 01:10:54.960 --> 01:11:02.080 There was a complete transference of this other energy that was moving through because we had gotten into sympathy. 01:11:02.820 --> 01:11:10.660 There's a difference between sympathy and empathy and there is a whole physics out there called sympathy sympathetic vibratory physics. 01:11:11.020 --> 01:11:11.700 Absolutely. 01:11:12.220 --> 01:11:14.280 Resonance there's no empathetic resonance. 01:11:14.860 --> 01:11:15.360 Right. 01:11:16.740 --> 01:11:38.860 And like I became a holy sympathetic to this woman's plight and everything that goes along with it in the way my body transduced that that information that extra information was I went through fever states I went through pressure headaches I went through all these things that they don't that I've never experienced in that way. 01:11:38.860 --> 01:11:49.180 And then I come to find out that she was in tremendous, you know, I guess you would say, stress from this death in the family. 01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:57.740 So it's very, very interesting how how all this works like the subtle does control the gross whether people want to believe that or not. 01:11:57.740 --> 01:12:06.780 It's the source you know that's why I'm so big on the cell salts because what you know when you take the 12 frequency there's a son in the moon. 01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:17.120 These salt be there they're each making a chord and know they're making a little melody and these salts are bringing those son and they're bringing the holy energies into you. 01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:23.660 And that is affecting your energetic fields to that's you know I'm I'm buddy buddies with the tobacco plant. 01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:36.260 And a lot of the agents they tell you like burn sage if you got ghosts and poltergeist in your house and smoke tobacco apparently the nasties they don't like burning certain burning herbs you know so that I seem to be. 01:12:36.420 --> 01:12:43.960 I seem to be cool either either they don't like my blood or they don't like my tobacco but you know to me tobacco. 01:12:45.220 --> 01:12:48.760 Tobacco is one of the master masters. 01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:54.560 I would say tobacco cannabis. 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:01.260 cocaine like cocaine like the plant. 01:13:02.480 --> 01:13:10.560 No, no, like from a plant perspective just when you're in their presence as a plant like where where I was living in Costa Rica. 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.540 All three of those would grow prevalently. 01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:18.100 Even cratum cratum to a certain extent that plant. 01:13:18.660 --> 01:13:27.740 When you're actually around them and I harvested a ton of Jagooby and Trikuna which are the two components that make ayahuasca. 01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:34.740 When you're in the presence of these these beings they are a being they are a being. 01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:40.940 And I have to say tobacco the most impressive presence I ever felt I walked into my friends. 01:13:41.980 --> 01:13:56.480 They had like a little a little pond where they had their ducks and they had this big plastic tarp over it and their little pond they put a tobacco plant on the like far end where the water was trickling in. 01:13:56.480 --> 01:14:09.280 And this tobacco plant was a they called it a volunteer it just kind of grew by itself and it was pushing the plastic up and I was like I could just feel the presence of that plant. 01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:18.380 I was like what is that and they're like oh that's tobacco and I just sat next to it and it was like a grandfather medicine. 01:14:18.380 --> 01:14:30.140 It was a very much like being around like a old cactus you know of payote is just like oh my goodness you're you're an actual presence like you're a being. 01:14:30.540 --> 01:14:39.700 They they are I don't even know if these are real I've seen a lot of videos of like people be out by the trees now you don't know their body could be standing off camera. 01:14:39.700 --> 01:14:54.120 You know but there's like a tree leaf like yeah where it bends down and then they're like yeah you can touch they're talking to the tree likes OK you can touch me and then all of a sudden yeah the trees like me you know now you don't know if their body is back off camera like bending the branch down but. 01:14:54.500 --> 01:14:56.160 Well it seems real man. 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:04.940 No I had a direct experience of this because I lived in a very remote area of the cloud forest for quite a while. 01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:18.280 So I was like I was raw like I had one like you know 16 gauge wire from my neighbor's house from you know half a click away that was like giving me power at the shack that I lived in. 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:32.580 And during that time I was like getting into my gardening phase and I was listening I would have to go to town and I would download podcasts onto my onto my iPod and that was my media for the week. 01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:40.840 I would just listen to podcasts when I go back to my place and there was this woman that was talking where she said she claimed she could talk to plants. 01:15:41.480 --> 01:15:45.260 Everything that this woman said was I was experiencing as true. 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:57.160 And she told the plants told her she's like why can I hear you but other people can't hear you and the plants were like you're slow enough to hear us. 01:15:57.160 --> 01:16:00.020 Most humans are way too fast. 01:16:00.860 --> 01:16:03.740 And she's like well how do you get too fast. 01:16:04.860 --> 01:16:11.940 And she and they're like most of the time it has to deal with with how you get from one place to another. 01:16:12.420 --> 01:16:13.900 You walk everywhere. 01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:22.440 Most people that ride in anything that's metal they they lose their sensitivity. 01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:34.960 Well at that time in my life I didn't have a car I had a quad which is a four by four so I was getting everywhere and I still had the open air on my body. 01:16:36.540 --> 01:16:48.120 And I was like whoa is this is what's making me so sensitive to to to the plants because I didn't like being in cars especially on those crappy roads you're just bounced all over the place. 01:16:48.740 --> 01:16:53.680 So I was just always on a quad or a motorcycle exposed to the elements. 01:16:54.160 --> 01:16:56.820 And so I was listening and I was like whoa. 01:16:56.980 --> 01:17:11.560 So one day I was out watering my my my palm trees and I just decided because I had been listening to this one I just decided that I'm going to open a line of communication and they weren't doing too well. 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:23.360 And I was just with them it was like five o'clock in the morning I was like looking at the stars and I was like yeah guys I really want you to to thrive like what am I not doing what am I not giving you is there something I can do. 01:17:23.780 --> 01:17:34.600 And dude I'm not I'm not kidding I get this voice you're like water us from top down there's not enough wind up here. 01:17:35.380 --> 01:17:40.500 We like it when our when our fronds are moving like they would at the beach. 01:17:42.380 --> 01:17:55.600 I started watering them from the top like spraying their palm fronds so their palm fronds would rustle like I would see the way the palm trees did at the at the ocean within two years I had coconuts. 01:17:57.280 --> 01:18:06.020 Do you hear that like because this stuff fascinates to shoot out of October but do you hear like speak in English or telepathically or like a thought in your head or. 01:18:06.700 --> 01:18:19.900 Well I heard it I heard it in my voice but I knew it wasn't me like I heard it internally like thinking to yourself kind of sort of yeah yeah yeah but it was a different cadence and it wasn't as frenetic. 01:18:19.900 --> 01:18:27.300 Like you kind of know how you are you know I think I think most people that have like a sense of self awareness. 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:36.320 You kind of know how you present you kind of know how your mind works and a lot of times if you're being interjected by something else. 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:49.320 It's a different cadence that you might hear your own voice but it's a different cadence and it might be something that's totally alien to your to your experience. 01:18:50.280 --> 01:19:04.760 You know this is how I tell people clients that are being sort of demonized by like these thoughts that aren't theirs I'm like those thoughts are alien to you like because none of that is actually relative to your experience. 01:19:05.540 --> 01:19:13.880 Like that's something that's intruding on you you need to like you know claim your dominion and push it out. 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:22.960 And this is the way I had opened my I had done enough channeling in my in my younger life where I kind of knew when there was a different consciousness there. 01:19:23.540 --> 01:19:33.620 But it always presented the way the plants presented they talked slower and I was in a really still space. 01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:38.880 Like I was in a very still open space and the plants were like this. 01:19:40.740 --> 01:19:45.480 It's always tell us right you're there always like you need to raise your vibration it's like no no no. 01:19:45.940 --> 01:19:51.080 When you meditate you slow down you sit down exactly in your brain state your brain waves go slower. 01:19:51.500 --> 01:19:54.980 You don't need to raise your vibration you need to lower your as vibration. 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.620 Exactly all backwards in the alternative. 01:19:58.080 --> 01:20:00.060 I've always wondered that like with the ayahuasca. 01:20:00.420 --> 01:20:06.580 You know it's like you're saying is interesting because all the native tribes are walking around barefoot for thousands of years in the woods. 01:20:07.360 --> 01:20:13.460 How did you who the fuck figured out how to make ayahuasca like those out of all the 50,000 plants in the rainforest. 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:20.700 You know a mix of those two if you do this you know it's like it seems like these plants have been talking to those kind of people because they could. 01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:29.180 There's a lot of plant medicine where I just can't believe oh it's just from you know 10,000 years of people walking around eating the wrong berries till they. 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.680 No no no no there's way more they just know like it's like the plants tell them. 01:20:35.500 --> 01:20:40.420 It's like they call out to them you know what I mean almost like the pay audience Castanada. 01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:53.500 Also in the in like my one friend was actually inducted into like the one of the oldest because he was apparently a he he speaking of karma he. 01:20:53.500 --> 01:21:05.180 He was one of their medicine men and the elders when he went down to the he went down to the Amazon basin but on the Colombian side. 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:22.360 And you know after years and years of interacting with this one tribe they excuse me the first time he interacted with this one particular tribe he had instant recall of the life that he was murdered in. 01:21:22.360 --> 01:21:33.380 In in in that area of the world and one of the elders knew exactly who he was who is up who who his downline was. 01:21:34.280 --> 01:21:47.280 From his perspective his upline and they they're like oh you're so and so and so he's had he's had direct recall of past lives and he's had direct recall of future lives. 01:21:47.280 --> 01:22:06.100 You know but in his life yeah like he's where he where he is right now he's just says it's just the bridge for this being that that's he and he'll put in quotes me in the future. 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:16.240 Like in the in this in this geographical area and I believe him because like when he tells me things I can see it like usually if somebody's lying to me. 01:22:16.240 --> 01:22:25.680 When they tell me something I can't my mind's eye doesn't open but when he tells me something man I see it like I'm like. 01:22:26.020 --> 01:22:43.120 Oh wow like to the point that karma don't that's karma all the way dude wow yeah I just don't speak on karma a lot because I don't really like I don't have direct experience because I've had near death experiences where when I was on the other side. 01:22:43.120 --> 01:22:51.040 I was me in the me that you know that age that I had experienced the death process. 01:22:51.780 --> 01:23:05.220 So for me I had the projection that if if there is karma like people have told me I'm an old soul or whatever and I think people just say that because there's there that's what they've been programmed to say. 01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:15.580 And my wife she totally she nicks that she's like you're not old soul she's like you're brand new that's why you have such a deep connection like this is your first go. 01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:34.100 Like you have such a deep profound charismatic connection to life because this is like new as like you know what you could you could be on to something because when I'm on the other side I am me I'm not like an agglomeration of all these different beings. 01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:48.880 Do you think to you like when you had that I love these near deaths that people never asked so when you're on the other side, you know you're you are do you think like it like we do to ourselves in here like in English and in your head or is it more. 01:23:50.020 --> 01:23:50.620 Oh yeah. 01:23:51.140 --> 01:24:00.460 So you're like you're really sitting there like oh my God in your head like that's me down there but you don't have a head obviously but it's it's just like a ghost pretty much almost. 01:24:00.460 --> 01:24:10.880 Yeah that was that was my problem with it was like when people would say oh talk to me about karma in my direct experience. 01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:28.500 I don't think I had karma but I didn't know how to put it until my wife was explaining to me how she experiences me and I'm like you're probably right I don't I'm not actually bringing in stuff from past lives at all. 01:24:29.300 --> 01:24:34.720 Like I'm not like my my reverence for God is because I'm kind of brand new. 01:24:39.200 --> 01:24:46.460 So there's like this like you know golden retriever aspect of my consciousness that's a lot of fun just because I'm like hey guys let's go. 01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:47.640 This is great like. 01:24:48.540 --> 01:25:02.960 But the the energetics of like people that do have karma like my friend I was telling you about even my wife they've had so many lives under their belt that it's just like. 01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:17.140 Here's a lot to process there like a lot to process I mean the Masons they teach 800 reincarnations that's that's what they're teaching that a soul would go through about 800. 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:28.840 Now you got to take that with a grain of salt because you're like why not 752 or 804 when someone throws out a number like that you're like dude but that is that is what they're teaching in the lodges. 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:35.660 That's quite a lot of lifetimes that is that is I really wonder about that. 01:25:35.660 --> 01:25:54.420 You know I I'm of the mind and this could just be my novice experience is that people are different like there is not a cookie cutter to like say OK everybody has to experience 800 lives. 01:25:55.120 --> 01:26:02.220 I don't God is God is variable and likes novelty like if we like novelty God likes novelty. 01:26:03.280 --> 01:26:13.560 And so that means like there's going to be different variations there's going to be different beings experience different that have different capacities experiencing different things. 01:26:14.100 --> 01:26:25.660 You could have some one and donors and you could have some people that are the Messiah you could have some others that are like evil incarnate that don't have any negative retribution. 01:26:25.660 --> 01:26:40.980 Then you can have those that are evil incarnate and then grow a conscience and then have tons of terrible karmic like it's there's nothing new under the sun it's all there like the all the possibilities are there. 01:26:42.580 --> 01:26:48.940 Yeah man and it's always it's it always hasn't always will you know it's it's a really weird one it's like. 01:26:48.940 --> 01:27:02.440 I don't like when people call people NPCs like it drives me crazy because I know that they might act like it more programmed to be NPCs but that that person in the grocery that NPC is someone's answer. 01:27:02.700 --> 01:27:11.520 You know who helped us some kid through a thing and to somebody they're a being they're a wonderful important very important being so it drives me nuts. 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:22.240 But I know you're saying there are people who are they just seem so far detached even like the stuff you're talking about like going out in the astral and healing and energy cleansing. 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:36.740 Most people be like this guy is fucking woo bullshit like they don't even believe any of that stuff exists let alone even you know understand it remotely and they just seem like they won't at least not in this time. 01:27:36.740 --> 01:27:50.240 But maybe that's what this is about like you're saying maybe they need a couple of vanilla rides you know you don't just go right to the super coaster you're afraid of it's like you gotta you gotta go on the ladybug couple times and get used to the bigger roller coasters. 01:27:50.680 --> 01:28:01.200 Before you go on the so maybe you know it's like that like they've got to experience a couple just NPC ish rides until they get used to the game and then come back for some action. 01:28:01.200 --> 01:28:23.260 The NPC action that I've seen is kind of touching on the whole charisma thing and opening the mind's eye opening the third eye is I see I've met more and more people as an adult when I was a kid my projection was that everybody was like me and I have a wild imagination. 01:28:24.040 --> 01:28:35.140 I can draw anything I can build anything I've literally made careers out of it so like to me I just projected that everybody is like that in the older I get. 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:42.000 I would say two thirds of the adults that I talked to about this they don't have an imagination. 01:28:45.440 --> 01:28:51.780 Yeah I think it's been stolen from us I get the same you know because you know I'm a musician like I'm an entertainer for a living. 01:28:52.240 --> 01:29:02.960 I get a lot of people like they're they're doing nine to fives like I used to do in the bullshit insurance or these they come up and they're like man I'm so jealous I wish I could do what you do and have your job I'm like oh. 01:29:03.420 --> 01:29:13.260 Do you play guitar. No I wish I could I'm no good I'm like I couldn't play guitar either when I started like you don't just pick up a guitar in your Jimi Hendrix like don't work that way. 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:17.280 I'm like if you really wanted to do what I do you would have done it. 01:29:17.900 --> 01:29:31.040 I did I quit I quit a massive insurance promotion to run an agency. Yeah I would have been a multimillionaire by now I would I would have got a promotion I was going to manage the thing with the guy's wife when he retired like a massive insurance agency. 01:29:31.040 --> 01:29:43.720 I was like screw that I move I quit my job moving to Europe I'm going to play music picking bottles out of garbage cans to get money for trains and she was totally broke when I rocked up you know but I did it like I just went for it. 01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:59.880 And I think that's something you know you need you need to know the I think if you're going to take the leap to have a really fun ride here like you probably need some incarnation experience because I think you know what I mean to go like totally crazy or maybe not I don't know. 01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:13.700 Maybe or like like for me specifically I had a near death experience young in life so I never had the fear of death. Yeah that's also I think that's a variation is because the other side is incredible. 01:30:14.300 --> 01:30:23.240 And so literally in my life like growing up like to this day I to a stupid level I don't really fear death. 01:30:24.480 --> 01:30:25.280 At all. 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:35.400 And so there's stuff over there man like I saw this you know because I love near deaths I look at I watch them all the time people but what tripped me out as one girl is like yeah so 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:47.340 like for a while they're hanging around and she's like and I'm in this field and there's a it's like an endless wheat field and there's a bench there and I'm like shit so there's so that means someone has to build benches in the next life. 01:30:47.340 --> 01:30:48.760 You still got to have a job. 01:30:50.180 --> 01:30:52.780 Hold on one of the little dogs for some reason. 01:30:53.920 --> 01:31:00.340 Oh you pansy know our wiener dog is my wife's dog I got it when she when she first moved to Costa Rica. 01:31:00.780 --> 01:31:08.600 She was the only thing that she was upset about was that she missed her roommate's old dog which was a Doshan and my best friend love Doshans. 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:26.260 So I conspired we conspired to get both of our partners their Doshans so we got sisters and so she's been she's great like once you have a wiener dog it's so fun because they're so silly to look at and all you can do is laugh. 01:31:26.820 --> 01:31:29.880 They're just silly they're silly little creatures right. 01:31:30.940 --> 01:31:39.940 So you're asking the other side is very active and it's much more full than my experience here. 01:31:41.780 --> 01:31:47.140 And by full you know you're connected to everything on the other side. 01:31:48.140 --> 01:32:10.720 Like you're literally you still have an autonomous independent POV but you're I shouldn't say you're I was like completely immersed in in the in the landscape and the other beings that were there. 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:22.180 And it's any sense of disconnect that that I would feel in this realm it's impossible on that side. 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:30.640 You know is there a feeling of physicality you know like are you on a ground you know like it's it's like that like are there benches and like doors. 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:33.960 It's more it's more etheric. 01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:57.320 But there is a physicality there is shape there is there is it's more amorphous like like things kind of like there there was a movie in the 90s like I think it was a Robin Williams film like where dreams may come or something like that where he's dealing with his wife's death in his. 01:32:57.320 --> 01:32:59.620 I think he's dealing with his death too. 01:33:00.120 --> 01:33:11.080 I forget but like all the different landscapes that he finds himself in things are kind of melting into each other and changing it's like being in a surrealistic painting. 01:33:12.940 --> 01:33:19.780 What I experienced had more definition than that but it's like you know how like when you're observing a really beautiful sunset. 01:33:20.780 --> 01:33:25.500 It's so beautiful that it looks fake. 01:33:26.780 --> 01:33:41.260 And the distinctions the hues of the colors and everything are so distinct yet they all are so perfect together almost feels like it's one thing. 01:33:43.200 --> 01:33:52.160 Because it is and then you realize it when you concentrate because we're you know we're always walking around or we're just it's like the background behind me. 01:33:52.500 --> 01:34:08.220 You know whatever you're thinking or talking to you're looking at the focus and everything else like little little little and then when you look at a sunset it's like everything you know it just draws in and it is one like that then you get into all the mystical there's no cloud without the background there's it is all one. 01:34:08.220 --> 01:34:24.800 Yeah, and the sunset it that's again like we talked about with the luminaries. I'm sure they're there so you can feel on this when that's wonder wonder on this one wonderness you know what I mean like, I think that's the point of them. 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:43.140 I think they are spiritual kicks in the asses to be like hey dummy slow down and take a look around you know what I mean, because it drives me nuts all these people are like, we're locked here in a fifth dimensional prison of Satan Saturn cube and this place is terrible. 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:55.840 You're like, well, this place is fucking awesome man. Yeah, that's my experience of it. But like you can literally be in heaven and be right next to somebody who's experiencing health. 01:34:56.620 --> 01:35:06.920 You know, it's, yeah, but I was, you know, I was talking to the bigglesons and I said the same like the same people who think this is a prison they want to get out and never I can't wait to get out here. 01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:17.680 They're totally health obsessed. They're like, don't eat chocolate and vaccines and just like well, if you want to get out here so bad why don't you just enjoy eat all the bad shit and get out of here. 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:25.340 You know, why are you, why are you health obsessed to stick around if it's so awful here. It's so it's hypocritical. 01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:45.720 Yeah, I find that there's also a directly proportional soul ratio to that. Like the people that say that they're so far from source that they're really scared to have their like their mortality, their physical mortality is their self image. 01:35:46.540 --> 01:35:57.660 And it's just like and it's inversely well it's directly proportional those people that have like a complete jurisdiction with their creator and have complete trust. 01:35:58.240 --> 01:36:05.640 Like, you know, they kind of welcome the physical death when it does come like it's like, I'm not ending. 01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:13.000 Like they might have some like, you know, considerations of their quote unquote dependence. 01:36:13.860 --> 01:36:20.040 But the closer to God a person is the more they recognize what the providership actually is. 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.460 And so they're not really even that won't really hold them to form. 01:36:26.480 --> 01:36:35.120 I come from that. I come from that to me again it's like it is what it is. Nobody, everyone who's born is going to die. 01:36:35.700 --> 01:36:41.740 You're going to die whether you like it or not. And you don't have to you don't have to like it but you should embrace it when it comes. 01:36:42.040 --> 01:36:46.620 And it's it is what it is it's all part of the whole thing and yeah you're you're eternal. 01:36:46.620 --> 01:36:53.140 You know and I think people like you there's people who have near death experiences and go to the other side. 01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:58.300 They know those people their lives change dramatically profoundly afterward mostly. 01:36:59.320 --> 01:37:03.460 And then there's people who start living life here actually so they don't have regrets. 01:37:04.160 --> 01:37:10.840 You know it's people say to me like you're fucking crazy you're always partying and this and that I'm like dude I'm retired already I've been retired. 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:21.660 I've been retired since I was 30, because I don't want to I'm having all my fun now and I can I don't want to be 65 with bad knees and old arthritis and joints and then. 01:37:22.400 --> 01:37:26.360 Oh yeah he can go sit in a lawn chair like get out of here man I'm having it now. 01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:33.820 So I don't care if I live to 70 or 120 because after 121. I'm still dead. 01:37:37.280 --> 01:37:43.500 You know what I mean I won't I won't even miss the 50 years they'll be gone either way so come on man. 01:37:43.980 --> 01:37:47.860 It's like get busy living or get busy dying as Shawshank says you know. 01:37:48.060 --> 01:37:51.040 I love that saying I absolutely adore that saying. 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:59.140 Yeah I remember I had taken a girlfriend of mine out to the Grand Canyon because it's like one of my favorite places in the world. 01:37:59.820 --> 01:38:04.840 In my early 20s and we broke some rules we hopped some fences that we shouldn't have popped or whatever. 01:38:05.220 --> 01:38:09.540 You know we had a really nice afternoon being very alive if you know what I mean. 01:38:10.020 --> 01:38:18.680 And we're coming back we're hiking back up the hill and I remember seeing this bus pull up and all these geriatrics got out. 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:29.260 And like I'm in awe of the Grand Canyon like it's so unfathomably beautiful to me like it like stops me every time. 01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:42.500 And I'm looking up at these old people and they're getting out and they spend 10 minutes walking to the where the bar was taking a photo looking at it and then getting back in the bus and leaving. 01:38:43.200 --> 01:38:49.920 And to me that was like a slap in the face of like that's how you're going to experience the Grand Canyon. 01:38:51.200 --> 01:39:04.740 And I was like in that moment I planted my flag I'm like when I'm physically capable and I have this drill in my in my system I'm going to go experience everything I want to experience. 01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:14.900 They're like why why would I wait till like I physically can't enjoy it to experience it like why would I do that. 01:39:15.480 --> 01:39:32.020 Yeah exactly why I mean you know I did a trip around the world for a year and I met this with my ex wife and we we could have went to a lot of places but we were sticking around in places two three weeks we stuck in Cambodia like two and a half months in one place. 01:39:32.020 --> 01:39:42.220 But I met a couple that were Russian they were like what are you doing and they were like Rishi catch today bet him on tomorrow they were like hop at all or one day in a town in India like dude. 01:39:43.220 --> 01:39:44.120 Take some pictures. 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:49.600 Yeah I'm like that's not Rishi cash dude like you got to sit there for it's it's fucking great. 01:39:50.240 --> 01:39:59.240 And these people probably went a year on the world and saw 6000 places but did you did you really experience him or just walk around. 01:40:00.080 --> 01:40:11.680 Yeah you know what I mean and I think that a lot of people are living life that way you know to go to a rock concert now and there's sick you know beat six 600 phones in the air filming the show you're like what you're flowing away dude. 01:40:12.700 --> 01:40:13.140 Right. 01:40:13.540 --> 01:40:17.820 Watch the show man like check out the music like start dancing what are you filming it for. 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:22.400 You're already here that's what's the point of filming it you're you're missing it. 01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:33.160 I have that I have that argument with so many people that get lost in their phone in their phone culture like their phone is them. 01:40:34.160 --> 01:40:45.520 And I was like no no you're like literally missing the moment like actually look at the bird the bird singing for you right now now right right now like there's no time in the future. 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:53.680 When you really look at this moment that you're ever going to have the joy that that bird is singing to you right now. 01:40:54.520 --> 01:41:02.240 And so I'm with you on that I have I have a tendency to get a little bit defensive with the now. 01:41:03.340 --> 01:41:11.200 For me to me it's like I'm more even cool I'm like if you can put 1000% of attention and joy into that cruise in that phone. 01:41:11.200 --> 01:41:12.960 If you love it. 01:41:14.080 --> 01:41:14.600 Great. 01:41:15.180 --> 01:41:17.580 But if you're just scrolling to get dopamine hits. 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:28.680 You know what I mean which are going to make you crazy and emotion you're going to get a mental illness from dopamine imbalance but if you at least love it so much that you'd rather do nothing else than cool. 01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:30.520 But if you. 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:38.260 Oh, I get that like I'm not I'm not but they're not they're just dopamine it they're just nothing better to do. 01:41:38.860 --> 01:41:39.440 Yeah. 01:41:39.940 --> 01:41:41.700 Did you ever read the book Vagabonding. 01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:45.820 No who's who's what's that and I forget the author. 01:41:46.320 --> 01:41:51.700 I read it over 20 years ago and it was this great book and it said essentially be an irrational flaner. 01:41:52.260 --> 01:41:55.220 They mean somebody that's led by their nose. 01:41:56.240 --> 01:42:03.340 Like we are in the moment because you'll never get like that high when you're traveling like you were in Cambodia. 01:42:03.340 --> 01:42:13.200 And you were like totally jazzed to stay a little bit longer stay a little bit longer stay a little bit longer you weren't you didn't have this pre prescribed. 01:42:13.860 --> 01:42:17.060 You know set time to bounce right. 01:42:17.780 --> 01:42:29.300 And that's what being an irrational flaner is you're just kind of in the moment seeing what you know what where the vibe in the flow is taking you sometimes it's two months sometimes it's a day you don't know. 01:42:31.220 --> 01:42:33.120 You're just open to life in that way. 01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:57.960 Yeah, I mean you know you've got we're also stuck in reality so you probably you have to get a job or some money but you know there are people are beach bombing around for 20 30 years and that they're still alive I don't know how they don't you know what there's 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:10.780 just sitting in an insurance company and going home and just that you know that the nine to five, thoughtless mindless, you know, home and drum. I'd rather do 20 years of beach bombing and then just starve to death at the end or whatever, you know, like drown. 01:43:11.060 --> 01:43:12.160 I don't give a shit. 01:43:12.160 --> 01:43:28.660 I think that's a, I don't think it's time. That's when you're like you're saying when you're afraid of death, you're trying to live to 110 but why, why live 110 mediocre's, if you can crank out 60 killers, you know, that's where I'm coming from. 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:37.820 I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, why not swing for the fences quality quality man let's go back to quality control. 01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:44.960 I love I love that saying from fight club. I don't want to die without any scars. 01:43:47.240 --> 01:43:54.040 If that's to be like take a risk like come on let's go like I kind of take a risk let's let's make something happen. 01:43:54.760 --> 01:44:01.540 So that's what we've been talking about. Yeah, you need your imagination to make something happen. Nothing happens without imagination. 01:44:02.940 --> 01:44:11.080 Definitely what what is your like what are you other than this third installment that you're doing on the on the flat earth. 01:44:12.140 --> 01:44:26.620 Or I shouldn't even call it the fire at the Romer. What what do you have in in the wings waiting that you're really excited to like to bite into is there anything from a research perspective that's that's just got you going. 01:44:27.420 --> 01:44:31.740 Yeah, well, I mean it's funny you asked that so last year, like I said to you. 01:44:32.400 --> 01:44:44.920 Last year I, I because of my normal job job and my life. I only get like two days off a week. Last year I did all these podcasts I think I did 100 of them as a guest, or had people on. 01:44:45.120 --> 01:44:50.820 Then you got to spend the night burning them down editing a moment and a day like uploading them to your five or six channels. 01:44:50.820 --> 01:44:55.420 So I didn't I have like three movies that are halfway done. 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:06.060 Apocalypse infinity about who runs the world. Jesuits black nobility all all getting into who is it that jays versus jays and because people want to know like how does this place go down. 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:17.400 I've got a film on core puzzles and raising the crystals and Chris nice. Yeah, so I want to do that I want to release my top my slideshow for man or capoco. 01:45:17.400 --> 01:45:28.560 This last year, and then in and enhance it more and talk over it not not my speech but I'll make a movie out of it. So yeah I didn't want to be spending all this time on Antarctica. 01:45:29.300 --> 01:45:44.880 I just got sucked into it, and I need to get outside dude it's like summer man I'm sitting here making movies, but so I also love making films and I'm kind of sick of hearing myself yapping on all these podcasts no fence to this one like it's 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:51.480 I there's very few people I'm saying yes to your one of them. I'm doing alpha cast because you got to do my quinter and bare land. 01:45:51.600 --> 01:46:02.980 But like, yeah, you know I'm trying more I want to make movies dude that's what I love doing like I like making I love making movies is great. I think it's totally cool. 01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:17.520 So I'm trying to do a lot more of that I'm trying to get, stay off social media to as well. I'm trying to not you know I put shit on Facebook, because it's an easy way to get from my phone to my computer for clips I need from movies and stuff. 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:24.160 But I used to get sucked into like a million people want to talk to you all day you know I'm like, don't you guys have like something else. 01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:31.180 You know, I'm like where you guys got all this time to like sit around chit chat and all day I don't even I can't find the time but. 01:46:32.900 --> 01:46:37.740 So I'm doing that I'm also doing some more music with Alex Michael I'm going to go back to Spain this summer. 01:46:37.740 --> 01:46:40.840 And we'll make some more songs another song or two. 01:46:41.300 --> 01:46:44.460 So that's been fun he's got me back into music again. 01:46:45.060 --> 01:47:02.740 You know I haven't written music in 20 years or something like that so it's been really fun to get into music again like I didn't because I do it for a living but covers and bars so I didn't really think I missed the creative part of music but it's really fun with the right guy. 01:47:04.180 --> 01:47:09.820 That's brilliant. That's brilliant. I'm getting more and more into music. 01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:14.980 I think that's like the one part of the quadrivium I've neglected. 01:47:16.040 --> 01:47:19.280 I kind of skipped I went from geometry to cosmology. 01:47:19.700 --> 01:47:28.520 It's the same it's the same thing though do the music scales based on the cosmology and it's the same shit man it's the same thing. 01:47:29.330 --> 01:47:35.020 Different it's a different art is science don't you think I think there's no difference between arts and real science. 01:47:37.120 --> 01:47:37.920 What's that. 01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:44.140 I don't think there's a difference between the arts and sciences I think it's the same thing. 01:47:44.500 --> 01:47:46.260 Art is just the right brain. 01:47:48.060 --> 01:47:51.600 What art to me is an application of the sciences. 01:47:52.280 --> 01:47:54.840 You know the sciences what do you do with them. 01:47:55.060 --> 01:47:55.580 Well you do art. 01:47:56.220 --> 01:48:03.580 You're right you create you make music you build dome houses like you know that's yeah well well architecture is frozen music. 01:48:04.240 --> 01:48:08.040 So in a way I have done music I just haven't I have not. 01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:12.200 Can you hear that. 01:48:13.700 --> 01:48:14.540 Now what you. 01:48:18.220 --> 01:48:19.560 Now hold on. 01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:22.400 Was it like. 01:48:23.120 --> 01:48:24.480 Was it something like that. 01:48:25.300 --> 01:48:26.880 Yeah I didn't know that. 01:48:27.580 --> 01:48:35.020 Yeah it was I didn't know that these headphones were connected to my phone so somebody was just calling it totally. 01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:40.160 I was just making sure it wasn't coming through to you. 01:48:41.540 --> 01:48:48.300 No but I heard something but barely but you know architecture is an interesting word because it has art architecture. 01:48:49.060 --> 01:49:04.460 It has to arch the royal arch of the heavens the vault of the heavens so it's got it's got tech tech tech and texture and so it's the texture of the heavens put into form it's alchemy man is bringing the fire. 01:49:04.460 --> 01:49:08.820 Without an earth and water dude it's it's art it's science art. 01:49:09.620 --> 01:49:13.000 Definitely it's just something I'm kind of retarded with music though. 01:49:13.660 --> 01:49:24.620 So I I I literally have had a block with music so I'm now getting into that uncomfortable space of learning it I don't know why. 01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:29.800 But my wife is an incredible vocalist she can sing like a lark. 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:39.440 I have all my friends have some sort of musical talent one way or another and I'm the I'm the I'm the one lagging behind everybody. 01:49:40.140 --> 01:49:44.540 Are you playing anything like piano guitar have you ever tried to learn an instrument. 01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:56.000 I'm I'm about to sign up for a piano course I'm signing up for Owen Benjamin's piano course because he talks the way I can understand. 01:49:56.740 --> 01:50:10.480 And so I'm going to take that course because he trained himself piano classical piano when he was a little kid so he understands like like you were saying earlier like I trust people that kind of train themselves. 01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:20.040 And like my wife she trained herself how to sing like like the natural is like the people that can hear themselves really well. 01:50:20.040 --> 01:50:30.380 Because I can sing really well when I'm on ayahuasca and I figured it out when I was on one and I was on ayahuasca is because I could actually hear myself. 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:40.200 There's something weird in regular in the regular world I can't really hear myself all that well so I don't really know. 01:50:40.900 --> 01:50:49.560 I don't know how to modulate my voice and I've never learned bars you know on a guitar or the notes on the piano. 01:50:50.500 --> 01:51:03.500 But I have enough friends I have enough friends that are very good musicians that once I start going down that route like I have enough support where I feel like I could get pretty good if I wanted to. 01:51:03.780 --> 01:51:08.660 I think you will you just as long as you're having fun with it you know and just start basic. 01:51:08.660 --> 01:51:16.040 I my students I just start with a really easy song I said what do you like what's what's one of your favorite easy songs and we'll just learn it. 01:51:16.040 --> 01:51:25.480 I'll just take like three weeks and just just one song no theory no nothing no bullshit just like just play it and then we'll kind of talk the theory through. 01:51:26.020 --> 01:51:32.740 So as we're as they're starting to learn the song I'll say by the way do you know why these two chords go together and why that sounds good and that doesn't. 01:51:32.740 --> 01:51:45.320 And and I'll add a little like an okay and I know it's like a sandwich I'll say well that's a C chord so that's got two pieces of bread and a piece of meat between you want some mustard let's make a C six let's add some mustard. 01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:51.040 You want some horse radish let's throw add nine on there with the six layer like a sandwich. 01:51:51.540 --> 01:51:57.080 So they start learning jazz you know I'm like oh here's the other five notes you can throw on there and jazz to make a. 01:51:57.080 --> 01:52:04.340 You can make a club sandwich dude or you can just have a good old saying wonder bread and I try to get them thinking more like that. 01:52:05.260 --> 01:52:10.680 But that's a great way of putting it that's an excellent way of putting it well Mr Steve. 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:14.260 I'm going to kick you out so you can get outside. 01:52:15.260 --> 01:52:18.640 I got I got a couple things running here this afternoon. 01:52:19.400 --> 01:52:25.620 Yeah I don't know if we even talk what were we supposed to talk about Antarctica is more fun I think going all over. 01:52:26.340 --> 01:52:34.360 Yeah yeah like the cosmology stuff I have to tell you truth this went exactly the I much rather talk cosmology with you the wide scope of things. 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:47.300 I've been so past the flatter thing forever that it's it's just like I'm really happy that you and Marty have taken the time to like get into it and and suss it out. 01:52:48.820 --> 01:52:55.200 Because for me that to me that's sort of a tedium that's not something I'm going to spend time to do. 01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:03.140 But I the what's actually being shared the full breadth of what's being shared. 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:08.680 I find to be very very important so yeah Austin I was going to ask you. 01:53:09.700 --> 01:53:13.740 Did Austin reach out to you about this aetheric earth conference that they're having. 01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:18.300 No Austin you know he kind of ghosted me. 01:53:19.380 --> 01:53:19.900 Oh no. 01:53:20.580 --> 01:53:38.360 Yeah we were all set up to do a podcast and then then something happened with that where you couldn't and then the whole final experiment thing came up and I called him after that and just said hey I would love to hear your experience. 01:53:39.340 --> 01:53:40.580 Contacted him on telegram. 01:53:40.980 --> 01:53:44.100 I haven't I haven't heard back from him at all. 01:53:45.420 --> 01:53:49.640 I'll tell you about that off camera anyway but I don't think it's you. 01:53:50.220 --> 01:53:58.340 But anyway, I couldn't do it he asked me to speak but I'm going to be on tour in Sweden during those days but I thought you would be a great guy to get on there. 01:53:59.000 --> 01:54:00.360 Yeah for whatever reason. 01:54:00.660 --> 01:54:03.800 I'll talk to you after we record about that probably. 01:54:05.900 --> 01:54:06.340 Cool. 01:54:06.340 --> 01:54:11.420 But yeah it was awesome man thanks for having me on dude it was great to catch up with you again man. 01:54:12.040 --> 01:54:13.200 Yeah my pleasure Steve. 01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:20.380 I like you kick so much ass and I can't wait to see what you and Ross put out there in the near future. 01:54:21.020 --> 01:54:25.320 So I'll say every time every time someone asked me have you heard of this guy or that guy. 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.880 When I go online and look him up there's like a talk with you. 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:37.420 He's always like you know anything weird people like you probably like this guy and then when I look him up it's you talking to whoever it is every time. 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.060 It's like you're out there with all the coolies you know. 01:54:40.700 --> 01:54:45.280 Yeah yeah you just you indirectly called me a weirdo and I really appreciate it. 01:54:45.620 --> 01:54:47.580 Yeah you know what I mean I'm one too yeah. 01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:50.940 No offense I take it as a compliment. 01:54:50.940 --> 01:54:59.500 Oh yeah yeah yeah like what was Christian emergency saying it's no sign of health to be well adjusted to a sick society. 01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:03.800 Dude my favorite quote ever I can't believe you just threw it man that's my favorite. 01:55:04.580 --> 01:55:09.360 Yeah I was a huge Christian emergency fan from a philosophical perspective. 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:13.220 Yeah he was he was he was on point. 01:55:14.820 --> 01:55:17.280 But anyway do you want to stop recording or. 01:55:17.280 --> 01:55:19.120 Yeah yeah I'm gonna hit stop.