Welcome to the Biochirisma podcast. I'm your host Christopher Gardner. Today we have Steve Falconer of the Spacebusters back on to the pod.
We are going to get into the thick cosmological weeds today. I love talking with Steve. He's been doing this expose on the final experiment.
Essentially talking about a lot of the different data points that were given in such a ludicrous title to a so-called set of observations.
Steve is very good about using deductive reasoning and going through different data points.
We only stay on that topic for I'd say about 15-20 minutes and then we get into our greater cosmology.
He and myself in Whitsitt-Gitze and Jason Loffenberg and a bunch of other people online were in the fringe of the fringe of the fringe.
In the sense that we believe more in a model of ether physics.
And we touch on that and we talk about straddling the fence between ether physics relative to terrain cosmology relative to spirituality.
And how we get into some good, good aspects of alchemy. Some of the spiritual tenants that are around.
And a lot of the different spiritual practices of raising the Christos or the chrism in the body.
And I just really I love Steve because he's anybody that's met him in person knows one he has a lot of chrisma and two a ton of intellectual honesty.
So this conversation is coming at the most perfect point to really dive into this because this podcast now is at the point where between the podcast and other spots I've done.
There's like, you know, a few thousand hours worth of discussion into what this plane of existence might be.
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We are back today with my main man Steve Falconer of the space busters, the author extraordinaire of space busters at least half half.
You're pretty much the front man now right Ross hasn't put put too much stuff out as of late.
He's kind of back and coming back he did a little, he did a couple little films. So he got back into it. Yeah, but yeah, I've been carrying the weight while he was doing personal stuff.
So I can't wait to have him back.
Yeah, yeah, because the dynamic do of YouTube is awesome. I have regularly sending people your guys debunking jet fuel just had a great discussion with Jim Lee about jet fuel relative to pollution relative to chemtrails.
Yeah, man. You've been since this whole garbage that's come out with the different people that we know in the, I guess you would call it in the alternative media space that came up and concocted this final experiment thing to debunk the flat earth or prove for once and for all that we are on some billiard ball rifling through space.
I wanted to have you on because between you and Marty leads you two are the most sober minds out there with actually going through a logical progression of what it is that we're being told relative to what we can actually observe and what has been, you know, essentially a fabrication of a computer model.
And I've been loving the last two videos that you put out about essentially talking about push off points distances, you know, timing of things and I just wanted to have you kind of kind of give us like a nice little medley of everything that you found out about this.
Yeah, well, the strange thing is, so these guys go down there and they see and film what appears to be a 24 hour light going around their head.
So one of the guys Austin wits it.
He is still on our side now he stopped being a flat earth or some years ago he calls himself an etheric earth there, which is really kind of more where I'm coming from to and I think yourself.
Yeah.
I, there are a lot of things I don't really agree with on the flat earth model and there are a lot of misunderstandings that I've been sort of even also debunking for myself and others along the way because I do think we all we need to know we need to get our story straight like you know like if we're going to make claims they have to be real.
Now a lot of the earth is metaphysical so you can claim all you want, but see you're arguing apples with oranges with these Newtonian Jesuit schools, physics people.
And I like in it to like you know I'm a first year music teacher.
I've, you can teach him the Phrygian Lydian mode we can do pictures and all these drawings and cartoons and color wheels.
You might as well speak Chinese to a Zulu the kids just don't get it because they don't even have the frame for the basic scale.
So you can say all you do is take that scale and move the pattern over one and then one more and just, you know, they're like what.
But a year or two later they get it. And that's kind of the problem I think with trying to talk the metaphysical earth with these ballers and, you know, people school like we all were.
They just don't have the framework to get it. They don't understand it to right of field they don't know what you're talking about, even the ones who claim they do.
So it's almost like you're like wasting your breath and then I think a lot of the flat earth model came from flat earthers when you know Glover say well what about this.
What do you how do you explain the spaces of vacuum and then we have a gas pressure has atmosphere so there must be a dome right yeah there has to be.
Well who said spaces of vacuum.
Yeah, exactly.
And who's to say that this is even pressurized because that's the thing when you look at weather balloon information.
As you go up an altitude you lose pressure.
Like you literally lose that that which in a in a in a propellant based economy of movement that we're in.
Like once you don't have anything to push off of your propellant is useless.
So like when you go up when you get past it when you get into the tropo troposphere and keep going higher and higher and higher you get to less and less and less pressure.
So the pressurized pizza dome thing doesn't make any sense to me at all because in fact the pressure is very local to the mantle.
It's not really all that all that high up so I'm with you on that observation.
Yeah, you know and there's a lot of things like that so there must be a dome.
The sun and moon must be real things circling around us overhead at one altitude you know it it's like that's not what's going on in my opinion at all.
Now again I don't claim to know what's going on.
But what I do what what I've kind of done in part three is.
I've spent a lot of time showing that the plane of inertia we live on the ground will call it the ground.
Aside from the mountains and valleys all that it's flat.
It's flat up down left right and around there's that it's where we live in a sphere not on a the surface of a sphere.
And that's demonstrably it's provable and I've done that in years so what I'm saying is, I don't care if these guys saw 24 hour light in the sky and wherever they think they were not.
That doesn't take away all of the proofs that the ground is flat demonstrably.
Yes, the end.
So it doesn't one one experience that five guys have doesn't take away all of the other facts.
It doesn't. Yes.
It just you don't understand the sky. And again there are like you know, what's his name Leslie.
There are quite a lot of models of what might be going on in the heavens in the toroidal field model count counter rotations breathing it and out you know there's quite there's quite a lot of things that could explain that.
Shockingly though.
I've been looking at all the polar expedition since the late 1500s they stopped them in the late 1800s 1875 because they sailed around the equivalent of 60,000 miles.
Now Antarctica is supposed to be 10,800 miles around at the Antarctic Circle. That's 60 whatever degrees south latitude.
These ships couldn't find a South Pole and they were going the three times around five times around you like and encyclopedia pedia Britannica in 1889 says it was proven not to exist.
And governments gave up because they were spending millions of dollars.
Then, then strangely, nobody has ever mentioned a 24 hour sun, even the polar expeditions. I read Scott's journal.
Ammons I've read all the journals from the people who sailed in as far as they could.
They never mentioned it. In fact, I've got a letter from a professor who says no at one latitude it certainly gets dark further like, not dark but twilight the sun's out of the sky.
And then I've got like Scott's journal the guy who allegedly goes to the South Pole for the Brits. He's saying oh, we can find like you can just barely read by light tonight.
You're like what do you mean like just barely reading a 24 hour sun or tomorrow morning this night the next day. They're talking night day night day this that there does seem to be like a twilight at a certain time.
But you would think some expedition scientific would mention a 24 hour sun they have like a pro meteorologist as their second charge right. There's no mention of it ever.
So I'm not even really sure there is one down there you know I'm like well somebody should have said, and it's, you know the more I picked the story and look into the details, it all just looks fake like the moon landing anyway.
Now if there is really a 24 hour sun.
Then that opens up all the different possibilities for to right of field earth, you know, etheric earth, or inverse of the inner toroid stars going out. That's the other thing is like we're told the southern, the southern cross right.
We're told there are different stars in the north and the south they're not it's the same stars it's just the outer stars are the inner stars stretched out and moving at a different angle.
So they draw different constellations over the same stars which are reversed moving the other way, and say they're different, but they're not like when you take a star trail from the equator.
You're looking east you see the two pole stars but the one on the left of the north has tight circles around Polaris, and the one on the right gets like these oblong wider arcs.
Now how can if how if you run a globe and the pole stars are 90 degrees left and right.
How can 180 right.
Yeah across 90 to the north pole and 90 to the south south pole.
How can you be filming do east on the equator and see both star poles in the same picture.
You wouldn't be able to know you can't.
But it's we have, we have pictures as we film it like it's real.
So what's that that doesn't work on a ball.
So you know the thing what I'm saying is I don't claim to know how the lights work but I can tell you they don't work like the ball says they do.
Right.
Yeah, right.
And they don't work and they don't work like David Weiss's model works either.
So that that's where I think in David Weiss I have great respect for his app is cool as all get out but the.
To do the star trail thing the way that app has it set up is inaccurate also like I think it's just tracking the sun and the moon but like the people that have done sort of the seek Hindu way of stacking.
You know the seven heavens above that like the different firmament layers I guess you could say from a Christian context above where the sun and the moon are that's not accurate either.
That doesn't that doesn't play out.
And that's why I have a tendency to go more realm earth.
Because there are so many there's so many.
I I've tried to bring this up to everybody anybody who would like actually would have seen it in 2017 but in 2017 Steve, there were three solar scientists on three different continents that filmed in track the sun with those solar telescopes.
Now I was actually talking to Crow triple seven about this and he had seen it back in the day also when I did they tracked it and then they threw all the data they they data dumped into a supercomputer.
Each one of these atheist solar scientists became a became a devout Christian after that because what they saw when they number crunched was that the sun was local.
And that the sun appears on a 13 mile arc sometimes that 13 mile arc can be depending on when you're standing on the ground and this is like, you know the connection between we are the bridge between father sky and mother earth.
When our feet are on the ground, we have anywhere from a 13 to 20 mile arc that we can observe of the sun.
Wherever you are in the world that arc is dependent on you the observer.
And that blows people's minds like like to tell somebody that like we had 100 people over at our house during last year's great solar eclipse like we had the we had the we were only like 50 miles from its maximum.
And so we had a great way of watching on April 28 the solar eclipse got to see it at our house and everything like that boiled a lot of vinegar to punch a hole in this in the clouds.
And we watched it and it was awesome.
We had a great time.
There was no doom or whatever.
But the the the whole thing was is we were talking about it is each one of us has our own personal experience with these luminaries.
And we call collectively these luminaries this or we call it collectively that but these luminaries are not an objective experience that everybody is having and then I'm an astrologer.
So I know this.
The reason why astrology works is because it's personal to you.
I think you're on mute.
Okay, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm on mute when you're talking.
Yes, exactly.
And we all know that anyway, because you know when you go standing around a lake with your friends at sunset, you see the sun over the water that little straight beam comes right at you.
You don't see it coming at your wife or your friend down the beach and they don't see it coming at you.
Right.
Everyone has a personal experience.
Also that light comes in a straight line.
You have the sun in a straight line.
If you go take a light bulb around light over water, it will fan out like this.
It would be crepuscular.
It only comes straight in a straight line on a straight surface because the water straight.
Now a scientist could put 50,000 people along the edge of that lake and say, what do you see?
I see a line coming right at me like, and they all say that.
So he concludes the whole lake is lit up yellow because 50,000 people standing next to each other's data adds up.
Then you go across the lake to the people with their back to the sunset.
And they go, what are you talking about?
The lake's black.
It's dark.
It's already sunset, right?
You're each having the, that's the I am the letter I is the sun, the little letter I is that the sun with the light on the water.
And that's the Bible says I am the alpha and omega.
So wherever you are, the sun in the sky, if you film it and trace it, the farthest it is from you at sunrise, it will go straight up in the air on an arc on an
appearance.
It'll hit its azimuth and then it'll go straight down.
That's the letter A.
That's where we get the letter A.
I am the alpha.
So from your experience of the sun, it's the alpha, the A.
From the sun's experience, it's the omega, the circle overhead looking down over everybody.
But everyone is having their own alpha.
You and I will never have that same sun experience.
So it's what you're saying.
We're interactive with it.
But again, we keep trying to say, well, it's a fireball because they say it.
So we have to explain like, because they're like, well, how do you explain this?
You know, and you're like, well, how, why do I have to explain that?
How do we know what you're saying is even right?
So that's what I mean.
A lot of the flat earth model is based on bullshit too.
That's, we're just trying to appease the, the, you know, the newness and Adam is like, I don't think that's what's going on at all.
I'm more with you.
Yeah.
I think there's a toroidal field breathing in.
I think what we call the sun, moon, stars and planets that are clearly going through that belt between the tropics.
I said it, I think I wasn't sure if it was you or chance, but I do a gig in this club, right?
They put on like a disco ball light, right?
Now where I'm standing, I can see the lights flying around the room.
There's a big mirror on the left of the wall.
When I look in that mirror, the lights are going the opposite way and they're wider.
Same star field.
Totally totally different perception from where I'm standing.
You know what I mean?
And someone else over there.
Same, same source.
And I think that's more what's going on.
Now, I know what you mean with the Weiss model.
Do you mean, I can't remember the guy's name.
There are people who say, well, the source of the sun is outside of this dome, firmament, right?
And when you shine a light from the outside, that can cause like a reflection of it to circle around the, the ice wall.
Is that the one you mean?
The detractors of the Weiss model is essentially, because he's shown it a couple of times online where when he models, he's essentially modeling things exactly the way the seeks in the hinge.
You can do faith, like the way they model everything.
You have your flat terrain.
Terra's flat.
And then you have the sun and the moon.
They're doing their different timing as they're, as they're circling around between
Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn.
And then above that he's has a star field.
And so when he's had different people challenge him about that, like that, that's an inaccurate model because the star field is different on one part of the hemisplane relative to the other part of the hemisplane.
There hasn't been like a full, I guess you'd say, programming language created for his app to actually show accurately what star field will be
and in which part of the hemisplane.
I think people are being a little bit too nitpicky.
It's like, it's like that's a lot of programming language.
If I, if I was to think of it, you know, like what that app is good for is essentially breaking the conditioning of the fact that we're a billiard ball, you know, rifling through space.
I have seen better models online where actually shows it shows the star field, especially the way the sun and the moon is going to react to you relative to where you are on the planet.
And I forget the name of the computing language.
It has this really cool name to it where essentially converges everything on you, the observer.
And that to me is exactly what we experience.
That is, that is how it would be. And depending on when you are as well and where you exactly, because if you think about a toroidal field, right?
The inside is a hyperbole.
It's an hourglass, right?
It moves one way and then the donut, if you want to call it or the toroid on the outside, it's just the opposite.
They're inverse of each other, right?
So the ones move in one way, the ones move in the other.
So the star field, whatever those are, they're moving one way constantly inside the hyperbole.
Now how high or low is up for debate or if they're even there.
But, you know, it's just not a some kind of other effect.
But the same thing will reverse and go out.
Now, a toroidal field is also moving, what do you call that Fibonacci sequence, right?
It's spiraling, but it's also moving in and out in a vortex and around.
And that's where we can't wrap our minds around.
So they're like breathing, right? They're contracting in and out as it's spinning up reverse.
So there could be times in the year where the outer inverse or X-verse, whatever that is of the inner thing, they can overlap a little bit.
And that can create even that can create constellations we think are there that aren't that can be seen at certain times, right?
Like there's a whole lot more to this that I don't think you can simplify on a computer model.
Yeah, I don't think it's static at all.
Like just because I've I've been watching the sky like I took a Celestics course, which is real sky observance of the mythopoetic way of creating constellations.
And it's very obvious you watch the sky for any given period of time.
It starts to communicate with you like it starts to communicate directly with you.
It's just been waiting for your eyes without you projecting on it that all this stuff is quadrillions of miles away and it's already dead.
Dead starlight that is is still traveling like all these stories that we were given were to actually disconnect us from the from the Maseroth from the living like we are the living
concretion of this living cause that like when I say cosmos I'm not talking about Carl Sagan's cosmos.
I'm just literally saying like this this whole thing that we're in is alive.
And it and we are a concentration of these different geometries that each one of us can only observe our geometry.
Like I even if you and I had our heads together and we were feeling a little bit you know snugly and we are like looking up.
We're not going to have the same geometry.
And so when I'm talking to people about this from an astrological perspective I'm like as above so below is real because there is no in between the above and the below.
Exactly you're you are a part of it and it's a part of you.
In fact I've got a book called the secret teachings of the Rosa Crucians.
And there's a question and answer section in there and the student says, what is the difference between Helio heliocentric astronomy and geocentric astrology not astronomy astrology.
And in the student asked, is the heliocentric one spiritual and in the geocentric one more earth based and the Rosa Crucians themselves say no.
Even funny in this book they say even though it was proven that the earth was actually around and you know that like the Copernican model, because they believe the scientism to that even though they're the oldest
wisest secret society in the world, they bought the bullshit, but in the next breath, they say but we try to use the heliocentric astrology, and it doesn't work we can't predict anything.
So we just end up using geocentric anyway, and we advise you the student to screw the scientism and use the geocentric one.
So that's the Rosa Crucians saying astrology don't work under this Newtonian Copernican bullshit.
So it was strange they even bought into believing it at this time. But you know that's how it goes like people buy the trends.
Yes. Yeah, yeah, they go along to get along. And it's kind of interesting because I've come to find a lot of the Rosa Crucians stuff like the domes I build.
Like the it's essentially the exaltation of Venus is the Phi times Pi. And like, there's so much of the Rosa Crucian aspecting of things that I really, really appreciate.
But my goodness, try and tell the majority of boomers that they we didn't go to the moon and we're not rifling through space.
They lose their shit because so much of their identity is based on, you know, the pride of we made it to the moon and like they just they can't go there for whatever reason.
So the this is a we're in a really good time now because through observance and through observance and communication in real time with so many people from all around the world,
you can prove things from an observational perspective so fast. And it, you know, the the the the lie of the religion of scientism is is really like, if you're if if a person is under the guise of scientism,
it's more because they're they're either hypnotized or they're running in an entrainment program.
It's not because their logical mind is actually working.
Well, I mean, nobody has a logical mind anymore, very few people anyway. That's why they're the funny thing is tofer it's like, to me, that's why there are secret societies and have always been these dudes don't want to talk to us either.
That's why they're hiding out in their buildings, because they don't have to talk to boomers in there. They get to talk to people who are on a search for this kind of knowledge.
Now there are some bad apples in there but these secret societies get a bad name because people don't understand what they're doing or where they really came from.
There are some bullshit ones but at their core they were against everything that's going on all the Jesuitism and religiousism that you know these are old Gnostic mystical hermetic schools.
So that's why they're hiding they don't want to sit out in public talk. That's why you never see Freemasons in the Flat Earth movement right you're like where are they.
They won't come out and talk about it because they don't want to talk to the monkeys. Just like a scientist won't tell elaborate how why he wants it to run the maze or how to get pointless right.
He's like, I'm not even going to talk to you. So that's why we never see any of them, but I agree with you now we're all starting to figure it out because we have the internet.
So people who would have never met each other 200 years ago from totally different fields you can see it even with like Gerald Pollock, Aline McCusek, Vita Austin with all the water.
Suddenly we're starting to find stuff out like okay hang on wait wait wait wait this doesn't run like that. And that's all starting to match this metaphysical etheric earth thing too.
You know it's coming together. That said, the majority of people out there.
Like you say, you can't even tell them about the moon landing so.
Yeah.
It's the whole thing too is like the unearned knowledge thing is for real like beware of unearned knowledge and unearned wealth.
Both will destroy you or have the capacity to.
And that's the thing is like there's so few people that actually have gone through the rigors of experimentation.
They don't actually deserve the information.
Like that's the thing is like the people that I know like you and like I know like I actually my peers experiment my peers put in the time.
We deserve we deserve the information I'll have I'll have some young buck come up to me and be like all enthusiastic.
And literally I will take the time and I'll have the field experience to explain something and then they'll just turn around and misquote the shit out of me.
And it's because they have no field experience no life experience they just have the enthusiasm of wanting to learn.
And it's just like no no no you literally said the opposite of what I just told you.
And you don't you don't even have the intelligence to know what you're doing like your enthusiasm is dog shit.
If you're misquoting exactly what I'm telling you.
Yeah it's like yeah it's seeking you shall find but then there's a lot of people it's it's what exactly what you're saying to for like.
You can read everything but you can't just take everything's word at it either like we said even the Rosa Crucians are some stuff and they're like what you know there's a lot of bullshit even in that.
But the real earnest student is on a mission themselves to know.
So yes you look at everything and then you try to put your version not that there's your truth you know that's solipsism but you're trying to put your understanding or spin on everything.
And if you're hungry and thirsty for knowledge you don't need teachers you are your own best teacher, all the best musicians I know are self taught.
All the ones I know who went to these big academies and schools, they're great musicians but like they are not the artists they're not they're not the greatest.
And I think it's like that you know there's people who they want to learn lazily they just just tell me what's really going on I trust you, you seem smart.
And it's like that's not the point for me to seem smart the point is for you to get smart.
Right like we all because we all you and me I don't know I can't I can't speak for you but I came out of college and school I was a dumbass.
They done me right so I've been spending the last 20 whatever years of my life, trying to get smart again because they've done me that way the hell down.
Yeah, I think I think that's the role of the Saturn return for people.
Like Saturn is an auditor it's a spiritual auditor so if you're if you're maligned with lies if you're maligned with bad bad teachers and your consciousness is relative to that.
When Saturn comes with his sickle and chops down your your idols.
It's brutal.
And then conversely like if that's not the case for you like if you've been diligent and you really are aligned with your creator and you really do want the earnest truth.
You won't have idols of men you won't have idols of false prophets.
So when the sickle comes to harvest your idols you're not you're not but her you know.
Yeah, and I think you know you like you should get joy out of research you should want knowledge.
Yeah, you know even would be well what does it matter if the earth is flat or if it's in a ball or whatever you know I like I talked with chance.
They own the copyright on this joint they own the fake Gregorian calendar they own the fake mall and they own your fake name.
So that's why you are paying taxes to them because you are making money off their fictional world.
That's that's how it works and you should like if you're going out pretending to be their copyrighted character, making money you owe them cash dude.
So you have to liberate yourself from the fake world the fake name. So this starts getting into all the law and contract you know there's a lot of ways this goes.
You have to realize, yeah there's the calendar we use and date on all our contracts. That's one calendar.
There are hundreds and hundreds of calendars around the world. So is today really that date no, but if you if you use that date legally then yeah you you're now in the fiction.
If you think you're on the spinning ball and yeah you're in their world, because you're not really so you have to get off all their crap this this starts going into all different directions, but it's really about spiritually growing up.
That's really what it to me when they what's a matter where you live it's like what do you mean what's it matter where you live.
What matter on how can you not care where you live. Why don't you just if you don't care, go move to the slums go move to a favela what's a matter.
Now it all matters that's the thing that's the that's the spiritual life as you come into it.
It's almost like you're living the paradox where you're in this world but you're not of it yet all the small things in life every moment matters.
Like I had I had a I had a mentor talk to me about this when I was in my early 20s and when he said it it hit like this has been a truism in my life he said out of all the trillions of possibilities that could be happening to you right now.
What is the probability that this exact moment is occurring just as it was.
And I had done enough statistics in college with my finance degree to know like oh my God that that's true like this moment happening as it is happening is a near impossibility from a statistical perspective.
So for it to be happening means it's supposed to be happening.
Yeah, there's no where you can be that isn't where you're meant to be that's the Beatles.
Yeah, I mean that's yeah it is what it is like this is how it's supposed to be as rotten as it is for some people and as good and whatever.
It's really hard to get over that or to accept that you know and if you do there are people in the truth community who are like oh that's not true that you don't just sit around and do nothing it's like whether you decide to do something or nothing.
That's what you're supposed to do anyway. It doesn't mean everyone do nothing but there will be nothing doers and something doers, and there's going to be people suffering and there's going to be people enjoying.
And there's going to be people who believe the earth is flat and people who believe it's a ball no matter what you show them and you know germs you just go down the list.
There's squiggly people and wiggly people and you know there's particle people and wave people and the truth is there's no waves or particles it's it's somewhere and it's neither.
But we're all like divided you know polarized, even, even in the what's we could call the etheric earth or to right or earth.
There's in fighting going on now on our side you know what I mean really. Yeah, but we don't we're not globers and we don't like the flat earth model, but this is how it really is it's like you don't know.
You don't know it's supposed to me it's supposed to be mystical.
That's why it's all a wonder right like that's why they revered the stars and the luminaries.
Because the smartest people on earth still don't know what the hell they are.
And they're a miracle you're like how is that working. And to me that's also part of even looking into this whether you're a ball or a flatter or whatever you are.
I look at the sky again with wonder I know the first 30 years of my life.
I never looked up when I was walking home at night and go out look at the stars or you know when you start looking at tartaria and the buildings around I'm in Europe like.
I never looked up at these buildings went Holy shit.
Hang on.
Now I love walking through town you know I'm looking at the roofs of everything like oh man yes I'm totally like here in the moment because I'm experiencing it.
Instead of walking down the street you know even whatever I'm eating and thinking about work you know what I mean like I totally do.
I totally do like I have much more wonder now than I did in my 20s.
It's mainly because with like a little life experience and then being humbled having those false idols get you know thrashed out of my out of my experience.
And then also having more shamanic experiences like my tendency is to hang out with Christian mystics and shamans.
And the reason why is it's all a big experiment.
It's an interactive experiment that God put us in.
And so when you end up really watching the sky with the intent to like connect with the luminaries and then the luminaries start communicating directly with you.
And then like you know like you want to connect in different ways using different substances or no substances or breathing deeply or bending your body a certain way.
Or hearing the organ pipes in a real cathedral like all these ways of we're told are augmented reality.
They're not really augmented reality.
They're just literally your 12th house.
They're the Piscian aspect of you the part of you that is acting as the bridge the rainbow bridge between Father Sky and Mother Earth.
You know between the metaphysical and the physical like we have this dominion here to actually be able to contemplate the metaphysical and experience the metaphysical and then have that grounded out.
And then the ground work through us to like actually make us wise because that's what the ground does.
The ground acts as this way of like it's just like that scene when Morpheus in Neo in the first matrix.
He's like I know kung fu and he's like oh you think you know kung fu show me.
You know you don't know kung fu until you have the grounding aspect of walking and having your two feet on the earth.
Where you're actually fighting the kung fu and it's no longer this concept is no longer something that's up there in the metaphysical imaginal realm.
It's now planted into the earth and growing into something of substance.
And so the wonder aspect of our of our of this journey is is tantamount.
It's like the paramount aspect of our existence here because you know do you know who David Murphy is allegedly Dave.
Oh yeah yeah he's great yeah we're not friends but I know him.
Yeah so we did a podcast and I called it Imagination Trump's intention.
And the reason why was through our through our three hour conversation it was so obvious that when you imagine something when you're taking this metaphysical thing.
And like I like like we already brought up statistically even when you're imagining something do you know the statistical probabilities of why you can imagine what you can imagine.
Relative to imagining it like technically infinity.
It's like literally like you're you're imagining something you're you're pulling a variable out of an infinite sea of variables.
Right.
And everyone can do it and it can change. That's the all seeing I your it's not your pineal gland like people then you open up your pineal gland through some voodoo shaman magic.
You can do that like there are you know there are techniques to do that.
All the all seeing eyes your imagination.
You can shut your eyes and imagine anything you want and see it right in your head in your mind's eye that left an I be single.
They're not talking about physically opening it they're talking about imagining stuff.
That's what creates and Disney.
That's what Disney doesn't take your imagination they're like let us imagine everything for you.
They're stealing your imagination because that's your all seeing I that's your creation and anything you can imagine.
Since all his mind precipitated into body through different frequency realms.
Then all this is mine like this pencil was a thought that yeah my blurs on this started out as some guy thinking about I need to make a little green pencil.
Like that was an imagination everything is that phones like there's nothing here someone didn't imagine.
Except the trees outside and maybe we all imagine that together to I don't even know like we ought to get real metaphysical but that's what's going on that's what they don't like is they take away our power they don't want us wondering imagining.
Discovering realizing focusing pretending pondering.
You know these are all words of creation of imagination.
Even in your language.
You can use these words like discover realize focus ponder when you talk to someone.
You can open their imagination before you start presenting ideas.
And it puts them in a receptive state in a creative state so it all is mine.
All everybody is all the ancient said all his mind and light.
I really think I think that's what charisma is.
I think charisma because charisma as it's defined in in in the dictionary is it's like a gift given by God for giving other gifts something like that.
I mean it sounds like chrism doesn't it charisma chrism it's the same word.
What's chrism I don't know what chrism is.
Well the chrism is Christ is light or light in spirit into body and the chrism or Christos is the oil you raise up through your Kundalini meditation and open up the dormant brain cells and pineal so that the Greek the Greeks changed it to oil.
But it's not it's more in the old Irish gale guy where it comes from it means light or spirit in the man.
So that's the chrism.
And that's where you get charisma like there's these people who are like charismatic people they just light up the room don't they when they walk in like people you just can't help but notice them.
They don't even say anything they just walk in the door they haven't even said a word everyone's like hey look who's here you know.
Yeah that that energy what I see in it relative to this is that it actually it invokes others imagination.
It invokes them to see through their through their third eye and it is a gift from God because God's using that as like a that being as a funnel to like turn on other people's all seeing I like to turn that on.
Because like a lot of people it's interesting hearing like different people conversate and different people pervade information they might pervade information in a very technically nice way.
But the way it's almost like their soul isn't invoking me to be able to see it.
But when I listen to a charismatic.
They could say anything and I can see it in my mind's eye.
Yeah totally I think that the stars are that in the luminaries right.
If if you were just born knowing everything if God just puts you on earth and just well what's the how does the sun work all like this you know how everything works.
Your brain will atrophy because he won't use it.
You won't need to wonder or imagine or anything you know everything you're not going to use your brain.
You'll just be atrophied.
I think the luminaries are part that it's to make man and woman look up and wonder what the hell is that and get your imagination flowing your curiosity or juices you know.
I think that's what it's all for.
It's wonderful.
That's where the word wonderful comes in because it makes you wonder.
It makes you imagine it opens up your third eye.
I think that's what it all is.
I don't think we're even supposed to know how it works.
I think that would ruin it.
Yeah there's a wonderful saying in the Bible.
It's like it's God's glory to hide a thing and it's the king's glory to to to seek it out.
To seek it out.
Yeah and they do say seek and you shall find but it doesn't mean you'll fully understand the glory of it right.
Exactly.
It's the search and the wonder of the glory that brings you to God because once you wonder how God's creation works you open your imagination.
I shouldn't do that.
People like he's illuminati.
He's making triangles on his forehead.
That opens you up to the God mind and brings down the light.
Yeah the care is the chrism of the chrism the Christ the light spirit in the body.
That's exactly what it is and I think that's the whole point of the luminaries and I think the problem with all the scientism Jesuitism Copernicum all this bullshit.
They're like we know everything we know everything this is we want to know the nuts and bolts of how it works and we don't want any wonder.
We want it all explained.
And then you're like well that's funny because all your science are theories theory of gravity gravity big big theory term theory you just go through all their sciences you're like for people who claim to know it all you sure do have a lot of theories.
Yeah, it's like it's like big medicine is you know go to their practice like I don't want somebody practicing on me like even as a little kid that sounded so weird it was like oh they have a medical practice.
They're literally the liability shield is right there and what they're what they're telling you that we're just practicing the standard of care.
We don't know if it's going to work, but we're practicing it.
Totally.
I think we're all doing that for everything that's what we're doing here.
We're practicing everything and experiencing and you know yourself building like you know your first dome probably was okay and suck but you know I'm sure you're crushing it now just like you know the first.
Yes song I ever played on guitar I'm sure it was rubbish.
You get better as you practice and learn and make mistakes so I think that that's what it's all about and this whole flat earth first globe shit to me.
Antarctica is it real or not Antarctica is not real.
It's not real because it's provable the earth is flat.
So the only way that you can have a continent made out of ice at the bottom of a ball is if you're on a ball.
And if you're not on a ball, then there can't be a continent down there.
Now we can debate is it the ice ring or not this and that, but it doesn't even matter like having this argument with people like that is stupid.
They don't want imagination and you won't wonder so why are you even associating with them.
Like sitting around.
That's true.
There's fighting.
Let's fight the Globes in the ball.
What's, let's fucking not.
How about I'll make some movies with my opinion and take it or leave it.
I don't tell me to screw off if you want, but you know, like, I'll show you what I found and thinking you tell me I'm not the arbitrator of your belief.
So you're you're a good person to ask.
I am.
I'm of the mind that we're at the end of the call you go from a timing perspective.
Because I'm somewhat of a purist because I do look at the sky.
I do see that the sun on the spring equinox is rising in the constellation of of Pisces.
So I think we're still in the age of Pisces.
So I'm old school.
Wherever the sun is rising at the spring equinox, that lets me know what age we're in.
And it takes a very long time to process through through Pisces because Pisces is quite large in the sky, the constellation.
And I know my Maseroth very well.
I studied both aerobatic massage, which teaches us that the Maseroth is directly reflected in the body for those of you that don't know what the Maseroth is.
The Maseroth is the plane ecliptic.
And there are technically 13 constellations on the plane ecliptic.
There are.
There isn't 12.
There's 13 in their varying sizes.
And when you look at how that mirrors in our body, there are 13 distinct aspects, you know, that have been pared down to 12.
I love your cell salts talks.
I'd love to see what you think Ophiuchus is from a cell salt perspective.
Well, you've got that with the sun, too.
You've got the 12 apostles, but they're still Jesus, right?
So you've got the sun.
Exactly.
You have to take the sun is number 13.
Now, where I'm different from you, I'm not even totally convinced there's a procession of the equinoxes, but neither am I.
I'm just using astronomical terms that I don't believe in the priest.
I don't believe in the priestess either.
I'm just saying like it from because I always have to straddle the fence when I tell people I'm a real sky astronomer slash astrologer.
I have to use terminology that they use.
So technically, I'm not even under the I don't even know if saying, hey, you're in a specific age because the sun is rising in that constellation.
I'm open to, hey, if there's another way to tell us what age we're in.
Great.
But I'm measuring my experience relative to the actual what I actually observe in the sky relative to what I read about the ages.
And when I was in when I was learning Ayurvedic massage, I was reading the pudanas and the pudanas are very distinct in their description of what the Kali Yuga is with the Satya Yuga is what the Dwarpa Yuga is.
And what what they say the Kali Yuga is is what I interpret the what the Westerners would think the iron age is what they were saying is exactly what I'm experiencing.
They said in the Kali Yuga everything it becomes gamified, which to me is a as a way of saying everything becomes the gamble.
Everything's gambling and in that the quality of things diminishes because everything is about winning or losing and is gamified.
And we see this like you were in an insurance guy, like you know, like when they're doing actuaries in a way, the house has a book on you and the house is saying, okay, the house always wins.
We know your actuaries are XYZ. So they're the ones that are underwriting the securities and the securities are the ones that are underwriting the banks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, as the world turns.
So we actually have proof in point that we live in a gamified civilization where quality is diminishing.
And it's almost like there's an overkill in the communication way of things where you can get this Blitzkrieg of information, get all this data, do no experimentation and come to wrong results because you think, oh, the data, the the map is the terrain.
It couldn't be further from the truth.
Yeah.
So where, where do you think we are like, if you were to give us a timing, do you do you even, you know, think that there is such a thing as like a Kali Yugo or a Satya Yugo or any of that type of stuff like, what's your what's your cosmology in that regard.
Yeah, I think I look at a different about the you as far as the zodiac like, I don't use the stars I use the the 12 energy frequencies in the sky in other words, on March 21, let's say we didn't have a calendar or stars in the sky.
If the sun rises over that mountain to your east, you know, you're like every March 21 the sun's over that mountain. I don't give a shit what constellations behind it right beforehand it's the sun on March 21 always going to rise over that mountain.
The sun ain't going to move from the mountain just because the stars behind it process. That's always been the same. So to me that's Aries not the constellation behind it, that energy from that time of year when the sun rises on that mountain, or in the morning in the day.
So that's what I see as the 12 fixed energy signals, and then the moon's doing its spirals to. So I see those as like notes on a piano, the base chord and then the melody running the top. And I see these frequencies every day, every hour, every month, every year are really the 12 energy so they don't really have to do with the constellations.
The you guys.
I don't know where they get these massive long periods, you know, I'm not sure how they have records of people being around so long, but what they say about them. I'm with you.
Something's going on. I don't care if you call it a you go or what do you know the age of age of Aquarius. I don't think it's, I don't care what you call it.
Something's happening right now. And this thing happens a lot like when you read about like the fall of civilizations in the fall of Rome right before the money crashes.
Celebrity chefs and Rome chefs became celebrities and like ancient Roman Greece right before the fall you know as their society and decayed.
They had Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver and all this shit like the same stuff we got.
People were like idolizing nonsense bullshit like you're saying and it is like, I don't get into the Eschaton stuff like Terence McKenna and all that but or Huxley talked about this in the brave new world he said there there will come a time when we you're just so
unundated with information that you can't care about any cause you know what I mean because you're paying attention like yeah you and you and I are close in age right how old are you Topher 49.
Alright I'm 53 so you remember when the axon Valdez crashed like that oil tanker back in the yeah dude that was like front page news for like five months.
It was almost like a year they were talking about it.
Yeah.
Do you remember the BP oil spill or Fukushima like where the next day there's a new one you know like you don't even give a shit about any of it anymore because it's moving so fast you're like what do you do save the whales and the no nukes like which aren't really there probably but
what do you what do you care about and it's it's like you're saying it comes up what's kind of funny.
What happens after the Cali you go then what's the next one like the golden age.
Well I think I've been I think I've been Mandela affected.
Because when I was coming up we were trained that there's only you start at the highest and it degrades to the lowest and then you start at the highest again.
It's not it's not a rhythm where you go all the way to the lowest and then you then then you start to work your way up it's not like that.
It's like a roller coaster like the edge you drop and then go right cranking up to the.
It's the way we it's the way we see natural systems like your body you know grows until it doesn't and then it degrades and it dies and then you your soul takes a new body.
It doesn't say hey let's reanimate this old body and let's oh yeah I know you mean like yeah it's like it dies and then you're born again and I.
I tend to think that nature is the perfect mirror.
And so like physical things they they have their their pen ultimate and then they they degrade and I think ages are like that too.
And that's the way I was taught in in in area that like that that was the way I was taught.
But now I see in that but at that time I was being taught they were also teaching the 13 constellations they were teaching 13 as being like the core of of how to like you know see the correspondence between.
Our body and and the the the plane ecliptic essentially.
Nowadays when you look into area of medic medicine it's 12 they only they've totally adopted the the tropical is a diacral system.
And they go no no no you go from you go from the iron age to the bronze age and I'm like am I taking crazy pills because that wasn't the way I was brought up.
So yours went right back to gold right like I just got shittiest to gold again and then.
I see that like I have a biochar company like I make the I do the negretto phase and alchemy like I literally cook things down to where there's no no oils or salts in them.
In all your lap left with is terra preta you're left with the black carbon.
But that black carbon what do you get from that black carbon of the most diamagnetic material in the world that we know of.
You get new life literally new life springs from that material more than anything it's not reanimating old shit it's literally like you're taking something.
All the way you're accelerating the death process by getting rid of the oils in the salts in the in the water obviously so you're getting rid of the memory you're getting rid of the spirit and you're getting rid of anything.
You're breaking it down to its most basic 666 element and then that 666 element has so much diamagnetism it breathes life into whatever you give it to.
I was just going to say it sounds a lot like black you know the black on the Masonic checkerboard or Saturn and then you said 666 which is the Saturn to you.
The black cube without the black is actually the true source because it is out of the darkness that all the light comes from it's out of nothing that stuff comes from.
So people get the occult wrong and all you worship Saturn and the black and it's like the well the black is really the prime creator because the light comes out of it you know it's like of this world I'm not talking about.
Walter Russell called the creation between the two though the still white invisible magnetic light but still invisible so that's black.
So I see it I you know it's kind of like what you're saying with the you go so.
Like you're saying is really what we were just talking earlier it's really hard to just go shit it is what it is.
You know I got it there's like good bad ugly it's all well doesn't that kind of happen when everything keeps going crazier and crazier and getting more less meaningful and diminished.
You pretty much have no choice just to go fuck it it is what it is.
So you know what I mean this might be whether you call it Callie you got whatever this could be the catalyst how it works it just goes nuts ass nuts.
And then everyone's like fuck it man start up you know and then like we all just get cool.
Because we're like this is awesome you know you're like this is all silly like everyone just as an awakening like this is silly.
It just because it is getting silly.
It's unfortunately it's serious silly like if you live in Gaza or something you know like you don't want to be there but do you believe in karma.
I think.
So I don't think we're all equal.
I have the firm believer that many people are having many significantly different experiences.
So I've been around people that their framework not only from their genetics but also their conditioning and their trauma cycles makes it so that they don't experience karma.
Like they literally don't have a conscience.
And so they're conscious being without a conscience.
They don't get any of the negative blowback.
And then I know the then I know the I know the other side of it to where people have an incredible conscience.
And they do one little thing that's outside of their moral relative framework and they get incredible instant karma feedback.
And I don't think it's a universal.
I don't think that there's I think God is a very variable and wants to have lots of different variants in this experimentation called Earth.
And now I could never know whether or not the person that doesn't have a conscience what what happens to them on a soul level or reincarnation level.
I don't pretend to know.
But I do work with enough people in a very intimate way like especially with my massage practice where there are a lot of people that I'll say that there is a directly proportional scale.
The more conscience that a person has the more karma they experience the less conscience a person has the less karma they experience which allows very, very evil actions to occur with the relative, you know, low karmic kickback.
That's pretty interesting because I would.
There's a lot of people believe that, you know, let's say you're bundy a serial killer you're just some psycho here is just evil galore.
A lot of people think you would have to reincarnate and then pay back all that karmic debt.
So, that's one believe and I'm saying well then, if that's the case and you reincarnate here, you have to have shit like Gaza, and the, you know, the Congo there's got to be places where you're going to suffer your ass off.
If that's how it works. Now, you can look at like Manly P Hall getting into the magical treatises and lectures on ethics of magic.
And what those Masonic things are shown is like, especially people who dabble in the black arts black magic.
They start to create your thoughts are creating like what you call egregors or non soul entities in the astral plane so you're creating like these weird, I guess you could call them demons if you want, even though demon used to be a positive word not a bad word in the old days but
Yeah, daemon daemon. Yeah, but you're creating these entities that don't have souls like you or spear but they are in the astral.
And when people start dabbling in black magic or start to have real low vibrations and frequency. These fuckers attached to you and they're also hovering quite a lot.
Allegedly, according to the mystery schools. They want people who are vibrating really high they're waiting to get in they want to PC you.
So it's like the bright people actually have a lot more of this shit floating around waiting for the fall.
You know what I mean and that's what you're saying like it's the low conscious people where these things get in and it's like that's why they're not conscious they don't have the light.
It's it's almost like possession really.
Yeah it is. Yeah, I've seen it and I've dealt with it like I've dealt with it. I've dealt with walk ins.
I've dealt with people that were channeling and I saw like the whole schizophrenic like complete complete body change the the the facial dysmorphia that occurred with that on like hundreds of occasions.
Not like I was in an ashram where that we were practicing Siddha yoga and in Siddha yoga you're dealing with cities you're dealing with things with extracurricular capacities and so seeing supernatural things were kind of like a.
And they were it was invited into my experience and it's not it's not necessarily the most beneficial thing to experience I don't I don't recommend it to people these days.
They tell you in these old magic books dude they say, don't go to say on says man because these things are hanging or that's really where they're at like, they're waiting for someone in that room to get into you know like, you're just going out of curiosity you got to make
sure you're vibrating I mad because you're you're messing with stuff you don't understand, especially people who astral travel and they're in their homes and they're like these dark creatures shadows are flying around attaching me it's like dude, you don't belong there you shouldn't be out there
unless you can get out of that like don't be fucking with this.
It took me multiple years to dislodge myself from all the the hooks all the astral hooks that were in the space and actually just happened to me the other day oddly enough when you're dealing with pregnant women.
Pregnant women are portals and in their portals are good and bad obviously they're a portal for the new soul that that they're gestating within them but there's other things that are around them.
You know, and I, yeah, I dealt with that and I totally forgot to cleanse my field after because I felt it and I addressed it and I dealt with it in the space, but I totally forgot to like, you know, totally do like the the full scan and and swipe at the end of my day.
And then I get this weird fever and pressure headaches that I never got before it get all this other stuff that occurs I get like this I thing conjunctivitis that I've never had before in my life and I was just like, and then I was just I was going through and I was like when did all this start and I was like oh my God I did not clean my field after after dealing with this one client.
And then I get this email like literally from her husband describing that her mother just died.
And I was like, what, like, like, and so all that I'm not saying it's a I can never prove whether or not it was a one to one, you know thing but I have dealt with like actually hands on healing with people for close to 30 years.
And there's a lot of transference that occurs.
And I've known for a good 20 plus years how to like ground and like clean my field that particular night, I didn't.
And then I have all these symptoms of this thing like moving through my system.
And I just thought it was me like as as you do like you don't like I won't speak for anybody else but I've made the mistake a lot of times just to be like, oh this is a physical symptom from a physical whatever.
And it wasn't.
There was a complete transference of this other energy that was moving through because we had gotten into sympathy.
There's a difference between sympathy and empathy and there is a whole physics out there called sympathy sympathetic vibratory physics.
Absolutely.
Resonance there's no empathetic resonance.
Right.
And like I became a holy sympathetic to this woman's plight and everything that goes along with it in the way my body transduced that that information that extra information was I went through fever states I went through pressure headaches I went through all these things that they don't that I've never experienced in that way.
And then I come to find out that she was in tremendous, you know, I guess you would say, stress from this death in the family.
So it's very, very interesting how how all this works like the subtle does control the gross whether people want to believe that or not.
It's the source you know that's why I'm so big on the cell salts because what you know when you take the 12 frequency there's a son in the moon.
These salt be there they're each making a chord and know they're making a little melody and these salts are bringing those son and they're bringing the holy energies into you.
And that is affecting your energetic fields to that's you know I'm I'm buddy buddies with the tobacco plant.
And a lot of the agents they tell you like burn sage if you got ghosts and poltergeist in your house and smoke tobacco apparently the nasties they don't like burning certain burning herbs you know so that I seem to be.
I seem to be cool either either they don't like my blood or they don't like my tobacco but you know to me tobacco.
Tobacco is one of the master masters.
I would say tobacco cannabis.
cocaine like cocaine like the plant.
No, no, like from a plant perspective just when you're in their presence as a plant like where where I was living in Costa Rica.
All three of those would grow prevalently.
Even cratum cratum to a certain extent that plant.
When you're actually around them and I harvested a ton of Jagooby and Trikuna which are the two components that make ayahuasca.
When you're in the presence of these these beings they are a being they are a being.
And I have to say tobacco the most impressive presence I ever felt I walked into my friends.
They had like a little a little pond where they had their ducks and they had this big plastic tarp over it and their little pond they put a tobacco plant on the like far end where the water was trickling in.
And this tobacco plant was a they called it a volunteer it just kind of grew by itself and it was pushing the plastic up and I was like I could just feel the presence of that plant.
I was like what is that and they're like oh that's tobacco and I just sat next to it and it was like a grandfather medicine.
It was a very much like being around like a old cactus you know of payote is just like oh my goodness you're you're an actual presence like you're a being.
They they are I don't even know if these are real I've seen a lot of videos of like people be out by the trees now you don't know their body could be standing off camera.
You know but there's like a tree leaf like yeah where it bends down and then they're like yeah you can touch they're talking to the tree likes OK you can touch me and then all of a sudden yeah the trees like me you know now you don't know if their body is back off camera like bending the branch down but.
Well it seems real man.
No I had a direct experience of this because I lived in a very remote area of the cloud forest for quite a while.
So I was like I was raw like I had one like you know 16 gauge wire from my neighbor's house from you know half a click away that was like giving me power at the shack that I lived in.
And during that time I was like getting into my gardening phase and I was listening I would have to go to town and I would download podcasts onto my onto my iPod and that was my media for the week.
I would just listen to podcasts when I go back to my place and there was this woman that was talking where she said she claimed she could talk to plants.
Everything that this woman said was I was experiencing as true.
And she told the plants told her she's like why can I hear you but other people can't hear you and the plants were like you're slow enough to hear us.
Most humans are way too fast.
And she's like well how do you get too fast.
And she and they're like most of the time it has to deal with with how you get from one place to another.
You walk everywhere.
Most people that ride in anything that's metal they they lose their sensitivity.
Well at that time in my life I didn't have a car I had a quad which is a four by four so I was getting everywhere and I still had the open air on my body.
And I was like whoa is this is what's making me so sensitive to to to the plants because I didn't like being in cars especially on those crappy roads you're just bounced all over the place.
So I was just always on a quad or a motorcycle exposed to the elements.
And so I was listening and I was like whoa.
So one day I was out watering my my my palm trees and I just decided because I had been listening to this one I just decided that I'm going to open a line of communication and they weren't doing too well.
And I was just with them it was like five o'clock in the morning I was like looking at the stars and I was like yeah guys I really want you to to thrive like what am I not doing what am I not giving you is there something I can do.
And dude I'm not I'm not kidding I get this voice you're like water us from top down there's not enough wind up here.
We like it when our when our fronds are moving like they would at the beach.
I started watering them from the top like spraying their palm fronds so their palm fronds would rustle like I would see the way the palm trees did at the at the ocean within two years I had coconuts.
Do you hear that like because this stuff fascinates to shoot out of October but do you hear like speak in English or telepathically or like a thought in your head or.
Well I heard it I heard it in my voice but I knew it wasn't me like I heard it internally like thinking to yourself kind of sort of yeah yeah yeah but it was a different cadence and it wasn't as frenetic.
Like you kind of know how you are you know I think I think most people that have like a sense of self awareness.
You kind of know how you present you kind of know how your mind works and a lot of times if you're being interjected by something else.
It's a different cadence that you might hear your own voice but it's a different cadence and it might be something that's totally alien to your to your experience.
You know this is how I tell people clients that are being sort of demonized by like these thoughts that aren't theirs I'm like those thoughts are alien to you like because none of that is actually relative to your experience.
Like that's something that's intruding on you you need to like you know claim your dominion and push it out.
And this is the way I had opened my I had done enough channeling in my in my younger life where I kind of knew when there was a different consciousness there.
But it always presented the way the plants presented they talked slower and I was in a really still space.
Like I was in a very still open space and the plants were like this.
It's always tell us right you're there always like you need to raise your vibration it's like no no no.
When you meditate you slow down you sit down exactly in your brain state your brain waves go slower.
You don't need to raise your vibration you need to lower your as vibration.
Exactly all backwards in the alternative.
I've always wondered that like with the ayahuasca.
You know it's like you're saying is interesting because all the native tribes are walking around barefoot for thousands of years in the woods.
How did you who the fuck figured out how to make ayahuasca like those out of all the 50,000 plants in the rainforest.
You know a mix of those two if you do this you know it's like it seems like these plants have been talking to those kind of people because they could.
There's a lot of plant medicine where I just can't believe oh it's just from you know 10,000 years of people walking around eating the wrong berries till they.
No no no no there's way more they just know like it's like the plants tell them.
It's like they call out to them you know what I mean almost like the pay audience Castanada.
Also in the in like my one friend was actually inducted into like the one of the oldest because he was apparently a he he speaking of karma he.
He was one of their medicine men and the elders when he went down to the he went down to the Amazon basin but on the Colombian side.
And you know after years and years of interacting with this one tribe they excuse me the first time he interacted with this one particular tribe he had instant recall of the life that he was murdered in.
In in in that area of the world and one of the elders knew exactly who he was who is up who who his downline was.
From his perspective his upline and they they're like oh you're so and so and so he's had he's had direct recall of past lives and he's had direct recall of future lives.
You know but in his life yeah like he's where he where he is right now he's just says it's just the bridge for this being that that's he and he'll put in quotes me in the future.
Like in the in this in this geographical area and I believe him because like when he tells me things I can see it like usually if somebody's lying to me.
When they tell me something I can't my mind's eye doesn't open but when he tells me something man I see it like I'm like.
Oh wow like to the point that karma don't that's karma all the way dude wow yeah I just don't speak on karma a lot because I don't really like I don't have direct experience because I've had near death experiences where when I was on the other side.
I was me in the me that you know that age that I had experienced the death process.
So for me I had the projection that if if there is karma like people have told me I'm an old soul or whatever and I think people just say that because there's there that's what they've been programmed to say.
And my wife she totally she nicks that she's like you're not old soul she's like you're brand new that's why you have such a deep connection like this is your first go.
Like you have such a deep profound charismatic connection to life because this is like new as like you know what you could you could be on to something because when I'm on the other side I am me I'm not like an agglomeration of all these different beings.
Do you think to you like when you had that I love these near deaths that people never asked so when you're on the other side, you know you're you are do you think like it like we do to ourselves in here like in English and in your head or is it more.
Oh yeah.
So you're like you're really sitting there like oh my God in your head like that's me down there but you don't have a head obviously but it's it's just like a ghost pretty much almost.
Yeah that was that was my problem with it was like when people would say oh talk to me about karma in my direct experience.
I don't think I had karma but I didn't know how to put it until my wife was explaining to me how she experiences me and I'm like you're probably right I don't I'm not actually bringing in stuff from past lives at all.
Like I'm not like my my reverence for God is because I'm kind of brand new.
So there's like this like you know golden retriever aspect of my consciousness that's a lot of fun just because I'm like hey guys let's go.
This is great like.
But the the energetics of like people that do have karma like my friend I was telling you about even my wife they've had so many lives under their belt that it's just like.
Here's a lot to process there like a lot to process I mean the Masons they teach 800 reincarnations that's that's what they're teaching that a soul would go through about 800.
Now you got to take that with a grain of salt because you're like why not 752 or 804 when someone throws out a number like that you're like dude but that is that is what they're teaching in the lodges.
That's quite a lot of lifetimes that is that is I really wonder about that.
You know I I'm of the mind and this could just be my novice experience is that people are different like there is not a cookie cutter to like say OK everybody has to experience 800 lives.
I don't God is God is variable and likes novelty like if we like novelty God likes novelty.
And so that means like there's going to be different variations there's going to be different beings experience different that have different capacities experiencing different things.
You could have some one and donors and you could have some people that are the Messiah you could have some others that are like evil incarnate that don't have any negative retribution.
Then you can have those that are evil incarnate and then grow a conscience and then have tons of terrible karmic like it's there's nothing new under the sun it's all there like the all the possibilities are there.
Yeah man and it's always it's it always hasn't always will you know it's it's a really weird one it's like.
I don't like when people call people NPCs like it drives me crazy because I know that they might act like it more programmed to be NPCs but that that person in the grocery that NPC is someone's answer.
You know who helped us some kid through a thing and to somebody they're a being they're a wonderful important very important being so it drives me nuts.
But I know you're saying there are people who are they just seem so far detached even like the stuff you're talking about like going out in the astral and healing and energy cleansing.
Most people be like this guy is fucking woo bullshit like they don't even believe any of that stuff exists let alone even you know understand it remotely and they just seem like they won't at least not in this time.
But maybe that's what this is about like you're saying maybe they need a couple of vanilla rides you know you don't just go right to the super coaster you're afraid of it's like you gotta you gotta go on the ladybug couple times and get used to the bigger roller coasters.
Before you go on the so maybe you know it's like that like they've got to experience a couple just NPC ish rides until they get used to the game and then come back for some action.
The NPC action that I've seen is kind of touching on the whole charisma thing and opening the mind's eye opening the third eye is I see I've met more and more people as an adult when I was a kid my projection was that everybody was like me and I have a wild imagination.
I can draw anything I can build anything I've literally made careers out of it so like to me I just projected that everybody is like that in the older I get.
I would say two thirds of the adults that I talked to about this they don't have an imagination.
Yeah I think it's been stolen from us I get the same you know because you know I'm a musician like I'm an entertainer for a living.
I get a lot of people like they're they're doing nine to fives like I used to do in the bullshit insurance or these they come up and they're like man I'm so jealous I wish I could do what you do and have your job I'm like oh.
Do you play guitar. No I wish I could I'm no good I'm like I couldn't play guitar either when I started like you don't just pick up a guitar in your Jimi Hendrix like don't work that way.
I'm like if you really wanted to do what I do you would have done it.
I did I quit I quit a massive insurance promotion to run an agency. Yeah I would have been a multimillionaire by now I would I would have got a promotion I was going to manage the thing with the guy's wife when he retired like a massive insurance agency.
I was like screw that I move I quit my job moving to Europe I'm going to play music picking bottles out of garbage cans to get money for trains and she was totally broke when I rocked up you know but I did it like I just went for it.
And I think that's something you know you need you need to know the I think if you're going to take the leap to have a really fun ride here like you probably need some incarnation experience because I think you know what I mean to go like totally crazy or maybe not I don't know.
Maybe or like like for me specifically I had a near death experience young in life so I never had the fear of death. Yeah that's also I think that's a variation is because the other side is incredible.
And so literally in my life like growing up like to this day I to a stupid level I don't really fear death.
At all.
And so there's stuff over there man like I saw this you know because I love near deaths I look at I watch them all the time people but what tripped me out as one girl is like yeah so
like for a while they're hanging around and she's like and I'm in this field and there's a it's like an endless wheat field and there's a bench there and I'm like shit so there's so that means someone has to build benches in the next life.
You still got to have a job.
Hold on one of the little dogs for some reason.
Oh you pansy know our wiener dog is my wife's dog I got it when she when she first moved to Costa Rica.
She was the only thing that she was upset about was that she missed her roommate's old dog which was a Doshan and my best friend love Doshans.
So I conspired we conspired to get both of our partners their Doshans so we got sisters and so she's been she's great like once you have a wiener dog it's so fun because they're so silly to look at and all you can do is laugh.
They're just silly they're silly little creatures right.
So you're asking the other side is very active and it's much more full than my experience here.
And by full you know you're connected to everything on the other side.
Like you're literally you still have an autonomous independent POV but you're I shouldn't say you're I was like completely immersed in in the in the landscape and the other beings that were there.
And it's any sense of disconnect that that I would feel in this realm it's impossible on that side.
You know is there a feeling of physicality you know like are you on a ground you know like it's it's like that like are there benches and like doors.
It's more it's more etheric.
But there is a physicality there is shape there is there is it's more amorphous like like things kind of like there there was a movie in the 90s like I think it was a Robin Williams film like where dreams may come or something like that where he's dealing with his wife's death in his.
I think he's dealing with his death too.
I forget but like all the different landscapes that he finds himself in things are kind of melting into each other and changing it's like being in a surrealistic painting.
What I experienced had more definition than that but it's like you know how like when you're observing a really beautiful sunset.
It's so beautiful that it looks fake.
And the distinctions the hues of the colors and everything are so distinct yet they all are so perfect together almost feels like it's one thing.
Because it is and then you realize it when you concentrate because we're you know we're always walking around or we're just it's like the background behind me.
You know whatever you're thinking or talking to you're looking at the focus and everything else like little little little and then when you look at a sunset it's like everything you know it just draws in and it is one like that then you get into all the mystical there's no cloud without the background there's it is all one.
Yeah, and the sunset it that's again like we talked about with the luminaries. I'm sure they're there so you can feel on this when that's wonder wonder on this one wonderness you know what I mean like, I think that's the point of them.
I think they are spiritual kicks in the asses to be like hey dummy slow down and take a look around you know what I mean, because it drives me nuts all these people are like, we're locked here in a fifth dimensional prison of Satan Saturn cube and this place is terrible.
You're like, well, this place is fucking awesome man. Yeah, that's my experience of it. But like you can literally be in heaven and be right next to somebody who's experiencing health.
You know, it's, yeah, but I was, you know, I was talking to the bigglesons and I said the same like the same people who think this is a prison they want to get out and never I can't wait to get out here.
They're totally health obsessed. They're like, don't eat chocolate and vaccines and just like well, if you want to get out here so bad why don't you just enjoy eat all the bad shit and get out of here.
You know, why are you, why are you health obsessed to stick around if it's so awful here. It's so it's hypocritical.
Yeah, I find that there's also a directly proportional soul ratio to that. Like the people that say that they're so far from source that they're really scared to have their like their mortality, their physical mortality is their self image.
And it's just like and it's inversely well it's directly proportional those people that have like a complete jurisdiction with their creator and have complete trust.
Like, you know, they kind of welcome the physical death when it does come like it's like, I'm not ending.
Like they might have some like, you know, considerations of their quote unquote dependence.
But the closer to God a person is the more they recognize what the providership actually is.
And so they're not really even that won't really hold them to form.
I come from that. I come from that to me again it's like it is what it is. Nobody, everyone who's born is going to die.
You're going to die whether you like it or not. And you don't have to you don't have to like it but you should embrace it when it comes.
And it's it is what it is it's all part of the whole thing and yeah you're you're eternal.
You know and I think people like you there's people who have near death experiences and go to the other side.
They know those people their lives change dramatically profoundly afterward mostly.
And then there's people who start living life here actually so they don't have regrets.
You know it's people say to me like you're fucking crazy you're always partying and this and that I'm like dude I'm retired already I've been retired.
I've been retired since I was 30, because I don't want to I'm having all my fun now and I can I don't want to be 65 with bad knees and old arthritis and joints and then.
Oh yeah he can go sit in a lawn chair like get out of here man I'm having it now.
So I don't care if I live to 70 or 120 because after 121. I'm still dead.
You know what I mean I won't I won't even miss the 50 years they'll be gone either way so come on man.
It's like get busy living or get busy dying as Shawshank says you know.
I love that saying I absolutely adore that saying.
Yeah I remember I had taken a girlfriend of mine out to the Grand Canyon because it's like one of my favorite places in the world.
In my early 20s and we broke some rules we hopped some fences that we shouldn't have popped or whatever.
You know we had a really nice afternoon being very alive if you know what I mean.
And we're coming back we're hiking back up the hill and I remember seeing this bus pull up and all these geriatrics got out.
And like I'm in awe of the Grand Canyon like it's so unfathomably beautiful to me like it like stops me every time.
And I'm looking up at these old people and they're getting out and they spend 10 minutes walking to the where the bar was taking a photo looking at it and then getting back in the bus and leaving.
And to me that was like a slap in the face of like that's how you're going to experience the Grand Canyon.
And I was like in that moment I planted my flag I'm like when I'm physically capable and I have this drill in my in my system I'm going to go experience everything I want to experience.
They're like why why would I wait till like I physically can't enjoy it to experience it like why would I do that.
Yeah exactly why I mean you know I did a trip around the world for a year and I met this with my ex wife and we we could have went to a lot of places but we were sticking around in places two three weeks we stuck in Cambodia like two and a half months in one place.
But I met a couple that were Russian they were like what are you doing and they were like Rishi catch today bet him on tomorrow they were like hop at all or one day in a town in India like dude.
Take some pictures.
Yeah I'm like that's not Rishi cash dude like you got to sit there for it's it's fucking great.
And these people probably went a year on the world and saw 6000 places but did you did you really experience him or just walk around.
Yeah you know what I mean and I think that a lot of people are living life that way you know to go to a rock concert now and there's sick you know beat six 600 phones in the air filming the show you're like what you're flowing away dude.
Right.
Watch the show man like check out the music like start dancing what are you filming it for.
You're already here that's what's the point of filming it you're you're missing it.
I have that I have that argument with so many people that get lost in their phone in their phone culture like their phone is them.
And I was like no no you're like literally missing the moment like actually look at the bird the bird singing for you right now now right right now like there's no time in the future.
When you really look at this moment that you're ever going to have the joy that that bird is singing to you right now.
And so I'm with you on that I have I have a tendency to get a little bit defensive with the now.
For me to me it's like I'm more even cool I'm like if you can put 1000% of attention and joy into that cruise in that phone.
If you love it.
Great.
But if you're just scrolling to get dopamine hits.
You know what I mean which are going to make you crazy and emotion you're going to get a mental illness from dopamine imbalance but if you at least love it so much that you'd rather do nothing else than cool.
But if you.
Oh, I get that like I'm not I'm not but they're not they're just dopamine it they're just nothing better to do.
Yeah.
Did you ever read the book Vagabonding.
No who's who's what's that and I forget the author.
I read it over 20 years ago and it was this great book and it said essentially be an irrational flaner.
They mean somebody that's led by their nose.
Like we are in the moment because you'll never get like that high when you're traveling like you were in Cambodia.
And you were like totally jazzed to stay a little bit longer stay a little bit longer stay a little bit longer you weren't you didn't have this pre prescribed.
You know set time to bounce right.
And that's what being an irrational flaner is you're just kind of in the moment seeing what you know what where the vibe in the flow is taking you sometimes it's two months sometimes it's a day you don't know.
You're just open to life in that way.
Yeah, I mean you know you've got we're also stuck in reality so you probably you have to get a job or some money but you know there are people are beach bombing around for 20 30 years and that they're still alive I don't know how they don't you know what there's
just sitting in an insurance company and going home and just that you know that the nine to five, thoughtless mindless, you know, home and drum. I'd rather do 20 years of beach bombing and then just starve to death at the end or whatever, you know, like drown.
I don't give a shit.
I think that's a, I don't think it's time. That's when you're like you're saying when you're afraid of death, you're trying to live to 110 but why, why live 110 mediocre's, if you can crank out 60 killers, you know, that's where I'm coming from.
I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, why not swing for the fences quality quality man let's go back to quality control.
I love I love that saying from fight club. I don't want to die without any scars.
If that's to be like take a risk like come on let's go like I kind of take a risk let's let's make something happen.
So that's what we've been talking about. Yeah, you need your imagination to make something happen. Nothing happens without imagination.
Definitely what what is your like what are you other than this third installment that you're doing on the on the flat earth.
Or I shouldn't even call it the fire at the Romer. What what do you have in in the wings waiting that you're really excited to like to bite into is there anything from a research perspective that's that's just got you going.
Yeah, well, I mean it's funny you asked that so last year, like I said to you.
Last year I, I because of my normal job job and my life. I only get like two days off a week. Last year I did all these podcasts I think I did 100 of them as a guest, or had people on.
Then you got to spend the night burning them down editing a moment and a day like uploading them to your five or six channels.
So I didn't I have like three movies that are halfway done.
Apocalypse infinity about who runs the world. Jesuits black nobility all all getting into who is it that jays versus jays and because people want to know like how does this place go down.
I've got a film on core puzzles and raising the crystals and Chris nice. Yeah, so I want to do that I want to release my top my slideshow for man or capoco.
This last year, and then in and enhance it more and talk over it not not my speech but I'll make a movie out of it. So yeah I didn't want to be spending all this time on Antarctica.
I just got sucked into it, and I need to get outside dude it's like summer man I'm sitting here making movies, but so I also love making films and I'm kind of sick of hearing myself yapping on all these podcasts no fence to this one like it's
I there's very few people I'm saying yes to your one of them. I'm doing alpha cast because you got to do my quinter and bare land.
But like, yeah, you know I'm trying more I want to make movies dude that's what I love doing like I like making I love making movies is great. I think it's totally cool.
So I'm trying to do a lot more of that I'm trying to get, stay off social media to as well. I'm trying to not you know I put shit on Facebook, because it's an easy way to get from my phone to my computer for clips I need from movies and stuff.
But I used to get sucked into like a million people want to talk to you all day you know I'm like, don't you guys have like something else.
You know, I'm like where you guys got all this time to like sit around chit chat and all day I don't even I can't find the time but.
So I'm doing that I'm also doing some more music with Alex Michael I'm going to go back to Spain this summer.
And we'll make some more songs another song or two.
So that's been fun he's got me back into music again.
You know I haven't written music in 20 years or something like that so it's been really fun to get into music again like I didn't because I do it for a living but covers and bars so I didn't really think I missed the creative part of music but it's really fun with the right guy.
That's brilliant. That's brilliant. I'm getting more and more into music.
I think that's like the one part of the quadrivium I've neglected.
I kind of skipped I went from geometry to cosmology.
It's the same it's the same thing though do the music scales based on the cosmology and it's the same shit man it's the same thing.
Different it's a different art is science don't you think I think there's no difference between arts and real science.
What's that.
I don't think there's a difference between the arts and sciences I think it's the same thing.
Art is just the right brain.
What art to me is an application of the sciences.
You know the sciences what do you do with them.
Well you do art.
You're right you create you make music you build dome houses like you know that's yeah well well architecture is frozen music.
So in a way I have done music I just haven't I have not.
Can you hear that.
Now what you.
Now hold on.
Was it like.
Was it something like that.
Yeah I didn't know that.
Yeah it was I didn't know that these headphones were connected to my phone so somebody was just calling it totally.
I was just making sure it wasn't coming through to you.
No but I heard something but barely but you know architecture is an interesting word because it has art architecture.
It has to arch the royal arch of the heavens the vault of the heavens so it's got it's got tech tech tech and texture and so it's the texture of the heavens put into form it's alchemy man is bringing the fire.
Without an earth and water dude it's it's art it's science art.
Definitely it's just something I'm kind of retarded with music though.
So I I I literally have had a block with music so I'm now getting into that uncomfortable space of learning it I don't know why.
But my wife is an incredible vocalist she can sing like a lark.
I have all my friends have some sort of musical talent one way or another and I'm the I'm the I'm the one lagging behind everybody.
Are you playing anything like piano guitar have you ever tried to learn an instrument.
I'm I'm about to sign up for a piano course I'm signing up for Owen Benjamin's piano course because he talks the way I can understand.
And so I'm going to take that course because he trained himself piano classical piano when he was a little kid so he understands like like you were saying earlier like I trust people that kind of train themselves.
And like my wife she trained herself how to sing like like the natural is like the people that can hear themselves really well.
Because I can sing really well when I'm on ayahuasca and I figured it out when I was on one and I was on ayahuasca is because I could actually hear myself.
There's something weird in regular in the regular world I can't really hear myself all that well so I don't really know.
I don't know how to modulate my voice and I've never learned bars you know on a guitar or the notes on the piano.
But I have enough friends I have enough friends that are very good musicians that once I start going down that route like I have enough support where I feel like I could get pretty good if I wanted to.
I think you will you just as long as you're having fun with it you know and just start basic.
I my students I just start with a really easy song I said what do you like what's what's one of your favorite easy songs and we'll just learn it.
I'll just take like three weeks and just just one song no theory no nothing no bullshit just like just play it and then we'll kind of talk the theory through.
So as we're as they're starting to learn the song I'll say by the way do you know why these two chords go together and why that sounds good and that doesn't.
And and I'll add a little like an okay and I know it's like a sandwich I'll say well that's a C chord so that's got two pieces of bread and a piece of meat between you want some mustard let's make a C six let's add some mustard.
You want some horse radish let's throw add nine on there with the six layer like a sandwich.
So they start learning jazz you know I'm like oh here's the other five notes you can throw on there and jazz to make a.
You can make a club sandwich dude or you can just have a good old saying wonder bread and I try to get them thinking more like that.
But that's a great way of putting it that's an excellent way of putting it well Mr Steve.
I'm going to kick you out so you can get outside.
I got I got a couple things running here this afternoon.
Yeah I don't know if we even talk what were we supposed to talk about Antarctica is more fun I think going all over.
Yeah yeah like the cosmology stuff I have to tell you truth this went exactly the I much rather talk cosmology with you the wide scope of things.
I've been so past the flatter thing forever that it's it's just like I'm really happy that you and Marty have taken the time to like get into it and and suss it out.
Because for me that to me that's sort of a tedium that's not something I'm going to spend time to do.
But I the what's actually being shared the full breadth of what's being shared.
I find to be very very important so yeah Austin I was going to ask you.
Did Austin reach out to you about this aetheric earth conference that they're having.
No Austin you know he kind of ghosted me.
Oh no.
Yeah we were all set up to do a podcast and then then something happened with that where you couldn't and then the whole final experiment thing came up and I called him after that and just said hey I would love to hear your experience.
Contacted him on telegram.
I haven't I haven't heard back from him at all.
I'll tell you about that off camera anyway but I don't think it's you.
But anyway, I couldn't do it he asked me to speak but I'm going to be on tour in Sweden during those days but I thought you would be a great guy to get on there.
Yeah for whatever reason.
I'll talk to you after we record about that probably.
Cool.
But yeah it was awesome man thanks for having me on dude it was great to catch up with you again man.
Yeah my pleasure Steve.
I like you kick so much ass and I can't wait to see what you and Ross put out there in the near future.
So I'll say every time every time someone asked me have you heard of this guy or that guy.
When I go online and look him up there's like a talk with you.
He's always like you know anything weird people like you probably like this guy and then when I look him up it's you talking to whoever it is every time.
It's like you're out there with all the coolies you know.
Yeah yeah you just you indirectly called me a weirdo and I really appreciate it.
Yeah you know what I mean I'm one too yeah.
No offense I take it as a compliment.
Oh yeah yeah yeah like what was Christian emergency saying it's no sign of health to be well adjusted to a sick society.
Dude my favorite quote ever I can't believe you just threw it man that's my favorite.
Yeah I was a huge Christian emergency fan from a philosophical perspective.
Yeah he was he was he was on point.
But anyway do you want to stop recording or.
Yeah yeah I'm gonna hit stop.