I really got the feeling of a guy sort of trying his best to repeat the talking points,
but very constrained, like unable to say certain things.
Not because those things might harm the interests of the U.S. government.
He was happy to attack, for example, the U.S. military and say they're more brutal
than the Israeli military, okay?
But unwilling to say certain things because they might reflect poorly on the Israeli
government.
And you sort of thinking about this for a second, you're like, wait, you're the U.S.
ambassador, you're our representative to a foreign country.
Why is your red line criticism of that country?
Shouldn't you be representing us?
And it was very obvious he was representing the Israelis.
Obvious.
And again, you can judge for yourself.
That's right.
You can judge for yourself.
And if you want to watch the full two and a half hours, I highly recommend it.
It's very informative.
Some people may be wondering why is this so pertinent?
Why does this matter so much?
Well, other than the fact that we're on the brink of a very significant war,
if not a full on ground war invasion of Iran.
The other reason that this is important is because as I've highlighted over the
past couple of years of doing Liberty Lockdown, hi, this is Clint Russell.
Welcome back.
Is that it seems more and more apparent that we do not have sovereignty,
that we do not have the ability to vote for a change in direction,
particularly when it comes to foreign policy, particularly when it comes to
foreign policy for one particular country.
Doesn't matter.
Left, right, we get the same thing.
And at its core, the primary ideology that adds fuel to this fire is
called dispensationalism or Christian Zionism or Zionism more broadly.
And Mike Huckabee is one of those proud Christian Zionists.
And he had over two hours to try and explain his worldview to Tucker
Carlson, and he really failed to do so.
And it's not that he failed to do so for lack of trying, but rather
because I believe that the argument is so full of holes that it's
impossible to make a quality defense of that position.
So why does it matter?
It matters because the huge support for that worldview comes
from Christians in America, which believe to their core in a very
loving way that they must defend Israel to get into heaven.
Like, this is no exaggeration.
Like, that's honestly what many Christians in America believe.
There's variants of that.
Some of them believe that it brings about the rapture.
But regardless, they believe that we must sacrifice basically our
nation on behalf of a foreign one.
And while principally and philosophically, I oppose that simply
because I'm a non-interventionist libertarian, I also oppose it on
moral grounds because I believe that the people who are being
taxed against their will in the United States ought to be the
primary benefactors of those stolen dollars.
That is not happening.
Now, that's not to say that all of our financial woes are
a product of us sending billions and billions of dollars to
Israel.
Obviously, it's not.
But when you add in our military intervention on behalf
of Israel, when it comes to Iraq, Afghanistan, basically
the entire global war on terror and the upcoming war with
Iran, well, then you start to quantify that and you're looking
at trillions of dollars.
In fact, probably around 10 trillion so far and could be
God knows how much if we actually do have a full-on ground
invasion of Iran coming up here soon.
And I hate to do this preface, but it seems like it's
necessary because if I don't do it, then I'm accused of
being a hater.
This is not about hate.
In fact, this is about love, love of my own country, love of
my own people, love for peace, love for prosperity, not that
it matters, but two of my best friends in this podcasting
world are probably the Fire Bernstein and Dave Smith,
both Jewish, neither of which are Zionists.
Many of my best friends growing up were Jewish was never
an issue.
Literally, never, never mattered to me at all.
Still doesn't.
But what I don't like is when my nation takes a back seat
after being robbed to the benefit of a foreign one.
And I think that anybody being honest about this ought to
be able to view this for what it is, which is we are being
bled both literally when it comes to our soldiers and
economically when it comes to the United States balance
sheet and to the tax-paying dollar.
So while this episode will be very, very critical of our
relationship with Israel, I just wanted to make it
very clear that this is not some sort of condemnation
broad-based against Jewish people.
Honestly, it shouldn't need to be said.
If you've watched my show for any amount of time, I think
that that comes through, that this is not a hate-filled
proposition, but rather one that I think is necessary.
I think in many ways, it's the biggest question that
we face as a people, and by a people I mean Americans.
Are we ever going to reclaim our own government?
Are we ever going to actually have a government that
looks after us first and foremost?
In my opinion and my preference would be that we have
a government that only concerns itself with us.
That seems like a very basic ask, and yet there has
been an enormous debate over the past three years
in particular when it comes to this topic.
The hallmark of that debate have been slurs and
yelling and condemnations.
I'm not interested in doing that.
I am merely interested in reclaiming our government
and making it work for us, the people who live here.
I know.
It's a very hateful worldview.
And to that end, we're going to be dissecting some
of the more, how do I say, concerning highlights
from this interview with Tucker Carlson and Mike Huckabee.
And in the second half of this episode, I'm going
to be unpacking the, I guess, kind of testimony.
I don't even know if it was on the record, but
Leslie Wexner, a confidant and business partner
with one Jeffrey Epstein, finally spoke with
the Congressional House Oversight Committee.
And there was some incredible insights that we
received from that conversation.
So we'll get there right after this.
You've appealed to Genesis.
Genesis 15 says it's Abram.
It's pre Abraham.
It's Abram receives from God the news that
his descendants will inherit the land from
the Euphrates to the Nile.
I think, I think that's right.
And that would include, like basically
the entire Middle East.
That would be the Levant.
So that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.
It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
It would be, I mean.
Not sure it would go that far.
I mean, it would be a big piece of land.
But here's the point.
It would be a lot of places that are now countries.
So it is entirely fair for me with respect
to ask, what land are you talking about?
Because I just read Genesis 15 as I have many times.
And that land, I think it says,
from the Nile to the Euphrates,
which is, once again, basically the entire Middle East.
So God gave that land to his people, the Jews,
or he didn't.
You're saying he did.
What does that mean?
Does Israel have the right to that land?
Because you're appealing to Genesis.
You're saying that's the original deed.
It would be fine if they took it all.
But we're starting off with a sledgehammer there.
It would be fine if they took it all.
I mean, what he's describing is,
as Tucker Lewis stated,
basically the entire Middle East.
This is just a reminder.
This is the United States ambassador to Israel,
as in, he's supposed to represent the United States
American interests in his role as ambassador to Israel.
Just imagine for a second,
if the United States ambassador to Russia
were to say that Russia has a deed
because of God says so to Ukraine
and a whole bunch of other Eastern bloc nations.
What kind of uproar and outcry would that create?
Well, it would be universal and justifiably so,
because that's an insane thing to think.
Much less say, much less believe,
much less say in front of the world
on one of the largest,
if not the largest political podcast in the world.
I mean, to call it reckless doesn't even do it justice.
I mean, it is psychotic.
It is a psychotic perspective to hold.
These are nations that have been possessed,
controlled, defended and lived on
by a different set of people
for hundreds in some cases,
thousands of years.
And yet, Mike Huckabee,
a man who allegedly represents United States interests,
says that it'd be fine if they take it all.
I mean, it's just crazy.
It's reckless beyond words.
But the logic of Tucker's question is flawless.
If you're going to use biblical passages
to defend their right to that land,
then it has to stick to the actual biblical passage.
It can't just be, well, God granted him this land.
Okay, let's look it up.
Which land did he grant to them?
Well, from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Well, that's basically all of the Middle East.
So why do they get this little sliver?
Why do they only get Israel?
What about all these other countries?
Oh, well, I guess if they wanted that, that's theirs too.
And the reason that this is a big deal
for those that aren't familiar
is because of the Greater Israel Project,
because of the West Clark Seven,
because of the history of United States intervention
as well as militarism from Israel against their neighbors,
which makes it look more and more evident
that in fact, that is what they are intending to do.
That is what they have been working on
for a very long time as in decades now.
And most galling by far
is that they are using our blood and treasure.
And I don't even like using that phrase
because I think it diminishes what it actually is.
American boys, young men,
dying in the deserts
to get land for people that are not their own.
Think about how fucking evil that is.
And then on top of that, we pay for it.
So even if you don't have a friend or son or yourself
that has gone and fought and risked everything
in the deserts,
you and I and every other American who pays taxes
has funded this madness,
has funded this project of expansionism, of imperialism,
and to add insult to injury,
it's framed as being somehow to our benefit
that we have to get cheap oil.
It has never been about the oil.
I've seen zero evidence that our cost of living
has declined over the past 30 years,
which syncs up with the 30 years of militarism
in the Middle East.
It's actually longer than 30 years now
when you go back to Iraq War I.
If you go back to the original interventions
in the Middle East, you're talking 50-plus years.
In that time frame, we've lost thousands of soldiers.
We've blown trillions of dollars.
Our national debt is approaching
and will probably hit 40 trillion
by the end of this year.
40 fucking trillion dollars.
The dollar has never been weaker.
The cost of living has never been higher.
It continues to spiral out of control.
There doesn't seem to be any concern for it whatsoever.
And yet we have American politicians,
and just to make this more macro analysis,
this is not about Mike Huckabee.
I want to be very clear about that.
As much as I don't like Mike Huckabee,
it really isn't about him.
It's that he is a stand-in for this phenomena
that we have American politicians,
some who are true believers like Mike Huckabee,
and then the vast majority
who don't give a fuck about what the Bible says
who are doing this because they are under their thumbs,
either under the legal framework of, say, APEC donations,
even though I think it ought to be registered under FARA
and probably should not be illegal at all
or the more nefarious mechanisms for control,
which in my opinion are a product of the Epstein operation,
which we'll get into the Wexner testimony a little bit here.
Israel goes to links that no other country,
including ours goes to,
in the middle of an urban war
and yet Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths
in an urban war than any urban war of record.
You said you didn't know how many civilian deaths there were,
so how can you say that?
If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers,
you would still be.
But you said you don't know what the numbers are.
We don't.
You just told me that.
But how can you say it's a lower number?
But if you took the numbers that they reported,
which is like 50,000, 24,000, 25,000 of those
were actual warriors, how many civilians?
If you took all the numbers.
I think the numbers range from 120 to 78.
Those ones I just read.
I don't know if that's real.
I don't know either.
I'm asking you.
Yeah, and I'm telling you, those numbers I've not heard,
have not read.
The numbers that I think are more reportable
are somewhere in the 60,000 range.
Brief interjection before we get back
to the completion of that clip.
I looked it up and the most recent figures,
the conservative figures are 70 to 80,000
in terms of overall fatalities from the war in Gaza
so far on the Palestinian side.
As I said, those are conservative estimates
and those include both military combatants
as well as innocent civilians.
By my research, the conservative figure
for civilian casualties as of now is about 45,000.
So Huckabee makes this, in my opinion,
pretty wild claim.
He says that despite all of the criticisms
that the Israeli military
or the IDF has received,
it's really unfounded
because given the amount of precautions they take,
in fact, this is the most moral army on the planet,
one that is pretty universally being condemned for genocide.
But setting that aside,
I'm not interested in that debate at all.
The claim he's making is that not only are they very moral
and not committing war crimes,
but in fact, they are the most moral.
In fact, they are more moral than our troops,
the country that he allegedly represents,
which obviously sets Tucker off.
But I did some quick math on this
because I was like,
well, maybe he's right.
Maybe this is the least civilian casualties
that we've seen in a war like this.
It's not, though.
It only took me a minute to find out.
So get this,
the 20 years of war that the United States fought
in Afghanistan,
the estimated civilian casualties are about 45,000.
So a 20 year war had the same civilian casualties
as a two and a half year war in Gaza.
Now, it gets way worse than that, though,
because he may argue, well,
the figures I saw it was 44,000 and 45,000 is more.
Okay, okay, Mike, let's do a per capita analysis
because they like to do that, right?
They like to do per capita analysis
when it comes to October 7th.
It's like, well, let's do per capita.
Afghanistan has, or had in 2002 before the war began,
20 million people living there.
Gaza had 2.1 million.
So just round numbers say 10x.
So you would imagine if we're talking about
the same level of recklessness or more recklessness,
you would have 10x the amount of casualties in Afghanistan.
No, they had the same amount over 20 years.
So a population one tenth the size
had the same amount of civilian casualties
in one eighth the amount of time.
So most rational sane people would conclude
that in fact there was 10x the amount of civilian casualties
in the war in Gaza versus the United States war
in Afghanistan.
Facts are tough, though.
Hold on, you just once again
said that the IDF is more humane
than the United States military.
You just said that.
You said in Iraq and Afghanistan,
the US military killed more civilians
than the IDF did in Gaza.
You just told me, I never heard that before.
And my question is how do you know that?
What are those numbers?
And I'm trying to explain to you
that there were extraordinary efforts
to keep the number of flight.
You don't know the numbers, do you?
I think there were tens of thousands.
I'll get them for you.
Well, you brought it up.
That's the only reason I'm pushing you.
Yeah, but you, I'm wearing a flag.
I've worked for a country
and you pretended or alleged
that somehow I'm not loyal to this
and that I'm criticizing my own country.
You just said they did a better job
than the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I said, what are the numbers?
And you said, I don't know.
So on what basis are you making the claim
that the IDF in Gaza
spared more civilians
than the US Army and Marine Corps did
in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Why are you saying that?
Like, on what basis are you saying that?
From the conversations that I've had
with the people who fought there
and I don't have the exact numbers for you.
So while we were finishing out that clip,
I looked it up and in fact,
drum roll please,
15,000 civilian deaths in Ukraine.
And you may be thinking,
well, maybe the population of Ukraine
is just significantly smaller than Gaza.
I'm sure none of you are dumb enough to think that.
No, the population of Ukraine
prior to Russia's invasion
was over 40 million people
and there has been 15,000 civilian casualties.
Now, I'm not trying to undersell any of that.
As far as I'm concerned,
every civilian death in a war is a tragedy.
So let's just make that very clear.
My point is that the two wars that I've looked up,
actually I looked up three.
It does appear that he's right about the war in Iraq
because of the vast, you know,
shock and awe of the bombing campaigns
that the United States did in Iraq.
There was immense civilian casualties in Iraq.
But the point is that I only looked up three war,
three modern wars
and two of those three disprove Huckabee's claims.
So why does this matter?
Well, because my Huckabee is supposed to be like the top envoy
on behalf of the United States
in our relationship to Israel
and he is lying through his teeth
about the reality of that war.
And this is so much more egregious
than just being diplomatic.
I mean, he could certainly say,
look, there's been way too many civilian casualties in Gaza
and it's a tragedy.
And I really wish,
I really wish Hamas hadn't started that war.
You know, that would be like kind of the softest way
that you could sell this.
He's not doing that.
He is carrying overt lies
and talking points on behalf of Israel.
And why does this matter?
Because this is pervasive,
not just in our government,
but most specifically in the Trump administration.
It's basically a requirement for the job.
You have to be willing to lie on behalf of Israel
if you want to be in the Trump administration.
And if you understand the Epstein network,
if you understand the Epstein operation,
if you understand Les Wexner,
if you understand how all of this played out
and you understand Trump's relationship with that network,
you have to ask yourself
if there's a reason that that's a requirement.
The French gave Lebanon its right to exist.
Do they have a right to exist?
Do they?
Well, why not?
Okay, so that's my,
so every country-
Does the US have a right to exist?
I'm asking you.
Okay, and I'm telling you,
I think the US has a right to exist.
Does anyone question whether we have a right to exist?
I don't, yeah, but I, of course, I'm for America.
Good for you.
But so every current country on the map
has the same right to exist that Israel has.
Is that what you're saying?
I think what we're saying is
that when a country has established itself
and it is following international law,
it has been deemed by numerous bodies
that it is indigenous to its homeland as Israel is.
This is its homeland.
It goes back 3,800 years to the time of Abraham.
It's not that-
Well, hold on.
So you're saying there's the modern legal framework.
And so you said a country that abides
by international law has a right to exist.
I would say that that is a part of its existence.
Would it be, would the inverse be true
that a country that does not abide by international law
forfeits its right to exist?
Not necessarily if it has the capacity to stay
and make its case known.
Now, thanks to Huckabee's filibuster there,
Tucker never got to use his sledgehammer point
that he was working towards.
So I'm going to complete it for him
because it was worth doing.
And I know exactly where he was going with it.
Huckabee is arguing that Israel has a right to exist
or a right to that land
because they function under international law.
Well, oops.
Really, really bad claim there
because over the past three years
since the war on Gaza began,
over 200 human rights organizations have come out
and condemned Israel for violations of international law
explicitly.
So obviously that's the point
that Tucker was going to hammer him with.
He never got the opportunity to.
That would have been a holy shit moment.
So unfortunately, I'm the only one that gets to do it.
I wish the world had got to hear this,
but now you guys do.
At least the other point that he makes
and I find absolutely fascinating is he says
that they have a right to this land
because they've been there for 3,800 years.
Well, obviously that's false
because that land was possessed by Arabs
or largely Arabs for a very long time by a conquest.
But setting that aside,
he's saying that 3,800 years
they have been on that land.
Okay, that's false,
but just pretend that it's true, right?
Okay.
Homo sapiens, human beings have been around
for 300,000 years.
So my argument to him would be
if we can find someone who was on that land mass
who can demonstrate that they have lineage
that goes back to that land mass
prior to 3,800 years ago, say 4,000 years ago.
We got some Egyptian bloodline
that demonstrates that they were there.
Is it now theirs?
And going through that logical progression,
you realize how absurd this argument is.
I mean, you can't argue that a land
that was possessed by people that you don't know,
you've never known, you don't even know the names of.
I don't know, obviously we all have lineage
that goes back that far 4,000 years ago,
but like, do we know them?
Like, unless you have an incredible capacity
for genealogical trees,
you don't know who the fuck they were.
No, none of us know who they were.
Most of us don't even know where they were living.
But for one group of people,
that is as good as a quick claim deed.
They own it.
And given that America was formulated
through conquest as well,
it's just as absurd to say that,
I don't know, the Navajo Indians now have a full legal right
to my home in San Diego.
Like, what are we even talking about here?
But that's how, that's what this argument is.
It's just that it's actually more ludicrous.
The Native Americans have a far better claim to that
because it's only 300 years ago or 400 years ago.
This is 4,000 years ago,
and they're making the same argument.
But it would never be applicable to any other group of people
and everyone would laugh it out of their room.
But for some reason, this claim is taken seriously.
And obviously it's because of the Bible.
It's because of the worldview,
the framework of Christian Zionism.
In the entirety of the world,
there are about 16 million Jews total.
And 8 million of them live here.
The rest live mostly in New York or South Florida
and a few other places.
Okay.
So this is a small population of people.
They have connection to this land historically,
biblically, do they?
Yes, they do.
If Beebe's family,
we know they lived in Eastern Europe.
There's no evidence they ever lived here.
He's not religious.
But in what sense do you have his family tree now?
We don't.
Do you?
He doesn't.
So no one does.
That's the point.
So how do we know that he's any connection to this land at all?
And if there has been a practice of Judaism
and a connection to the language, the Bible, the land?
His ancestors didn't.
He doesn't practice Judaism in any rigorous way.
His ancestors didn't live here.
They didn't speak the language
and there's no evidence they ever lived here.
So on what basis does he have a right to be here?
Very much speaks.
It's a big question.
A lot hangs on this.
It's not some theoretical thing like,
oh, do my grandparents do this or do that?
It's like, no, we have a right to be here
because my ancestors were here.
Okay, how do we know they were here?
I'm totally unable to process what you're trying to get at.
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I'm going to stop punishing you with this interview now
because if my blood pressure is rising,
I'm sure yours is as well, it's so frustrating.
I mean, this is such a straightforward question
and it's such an interesting kind of shape-shifting argument
where it's either the Bible
or it's some sort of fucking bastardized version
of property rights.
Or it's like basically like a reparations argument,
which you'll see I'm not exaggerating
or being hyperbolic when it comes to the reparations
side of this argument.
Or it's international law or it's might-makes-right
basically whatever argument he can make
no matter how full of holes each and every one of them are
other than probably the might-makes-right argument
which I don't find to be very moral or Christian,
but whatever, he's going to just throw everything at you
because all that matters is at the end of the day
you support, stand with,
aka are willing to fight, fund and die for
a country that is not your own.
That is the entire functional world view
of Christian Zionists in political office.
Should Israel be expected to even pay one penny
to rebuild Gaza at this point?
Absolutely not.
And I'll tell you, if anything,
there ought to be reparations to Israel
for the extraordinary fight
that they have had to conduct
to get their hostages back.
See, I wasn't lying.
Not only does he have an obvious primary loyalty
to a country that is not his own,
but additionally, he believes that
they should be paid reparations.
The Israelis should be paid reparations
for their war in Gaza.
Holy shit.
And this gets so much more appalling
when you realize that just yesterday,
Donald Trump announced 10 billion US dollars
that are gonna be going to the rebuilding of Gaza.
Well, our ambassador to Israel says
that they should pay not a penny
to rebuild the tiny sliver of land
that they absolutely fucking demolished
over the past two and a half years.
What is happening?
I often say the reason they hate Israel
because Israel is small
and Israel is close to where they are.
And so I believe standing with Israel
stands with a country that largely shares
the same values that we do.
Does that mean I think we should put the interest
of America over Israel?
No, but I haven't seen an instance where that is the case.
Does that mean we should put the interest
of America over Israel?
No.
No, does that mean we should put the interest
of Israel over America?
Okay, I want to make sure.
If I misspoke, I apologize.
That's a friend of the show,
the poor sign Randy Fine saying
does that mean we should put
the interest of America over Israel?
No.
And thank God PBD caught it.
Yeah, that's a Freudian slip
if ever there was one, huh?
I mean, and this is the problem
is that there are
an enormous amount
of American politicians
that no bullshit believe that.
Now, as I said,
I don't think most of them believe that
on some sort of deep
philosophical or ideological basis,
but rather the power structure
is set up in a way
that it incentivizes
people who get into those positions of power
if they want to maintain those positions of power.
They have no choice
but to adopt that worldview
and progress it.
You cannot,
you literally cannot be in DC
for an extended period of time
if you're not willing to take that same position
as Randy Fine,
Lindsey Graham, Rubio,
the list goes on and on.
Obviously, Huckabee
and unfortunately,
Donald Trump too.
A joint venture between Israel and the United States
to help degrade the capability
of the Iranian
Ayatollah to kill its people
would be welcome news in Iran.
Is that already underway?
Well, there's planning for that.
The decision had been made,
but all these ships are not coming here
because it's nice this time of year.
Does the U.S. have a favored candidate?
Are we talking about Reza Pavlavi?
Because he's around quite a bit.
Yeah, I like him fine,
but it's up to the Iranian people.
Don't get ahead of yourself.
The day after the regime falls
will be complicated.
We don't do day after well
in the U.S.
That's what you got to quit saying
we, it's not we, it's them.
It's not my job
to construct a new Iran.
It's my job to give them the opportunity
to construct a new Iran.
This is the entire neo-conservative
worldview that I'm sure you and I
and basically everyone that listens to this show
despise.
I mean, this is what we wanted so desperately to get away from.
And unfortunately,
while Rand Paul and Thomas Massey
have been sidelined
and MTG has been ousted,
in their stead,
we now have these fucking
demons that are circulating Donald Trump
and in his ear and obviously
winning the day when it comes to our foreign policy
as we have the largest
contingent of U.S. military might
sitting in the Middle East
prepared for what looks like a very,
very major war. In fact,
the largest buildup of U.S.
troops and munitions
since 2003, the Iraq war.
But here's the obvious
point to be made about Lindsey Graham's
bullshit diatribe is that
he's saying, we don't know
what happens after the
Ayatollah Falls. It's not up
to us. Basically, his
entire worldview is
we just break things
and then other people fix them
and we'll see. We'll see how it works out.
The truth is that's not how it plays out
is that as soon as we've broken
a country, then our corporations,
most of which are campaign donors
to Lindsey Graham go in there and start
to pilfer. There's obviously
an instantaneous power vacuum that's created
which is rife for corruption
and civil war
and bloodshed immediately
after. And then the point that he never
makes, which is obviously the key point
is that this is not
about liberating the
Iranian people. It's
not about liberating the
Libyans or the Iraqis
or the Afghanis. They're not
concerned about women's
rights or gay rights or what
none of that is real
and we all know it's not real
the primary
motivating factor when it comes to
Lindsey Graham and Huckabee and everybody else
in our government, when it comes to our foreign policy
is that we topple these nations
and we don't care what comes next
because that's the clean break
strategy. That's exactly what
it is. That if you destroy
Israel's enemies in that chaos
it makes it much harder
for them to fight back against Israel
so they don't because they can't
because they're so dysfunctional.
That is the clean break doctrine.
That's what we've been doing
you and I have been funding
and fighting on behalf of that
plan for a nation which is
not our own for 35
fucking years now.
So people go like, if this isn't about
some sort of deep-seated anti-Semitism, why are you so upset?
Oh, I don't know because
the fate of my nation
if not the fate of the world and certainly
the fate of my children when it comes
to economic prosperity or security
or safety are all predicated
off of this question. Are we
going to ever, ever
look after them? Or are we
going to continue to sacrifice their future
on behalf of a people who are not
our own? And that is
the biggest question and unfortunately
the answer is no
we're not going to stop.
We are going to continue down this
unbelievably God-forsaken
and in my opinion, satanic
path of sacrificing
the best amongst us
on behalf of Bibi Netanyahu
who as far as I'm concerned
is one of the worst amongst us.
And why do we do that?
Well, aside from the potential
for blackmail and obviously the campaign
contributions and just
cut and checks the other angle
if John Kiriakou is to be believed
he said this to Julian Dore.
The reason though I'm told
that Donald Trump decided
to bomb Iran was
that the Israelis said
for the first time if you don't
bomb Iran to take out these deep
bunkers we're going to use
nuclear weapons
and they had never threatened that before
and so Trump said
bombing Iran might actually
save us from the start
of World War III if it keeps
the Israelis from using nuclear weapons.
So according to your source
the Israelis told the president
of the United States that if he did not
use the United States military power
to bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran
Israel acting on its own
would use nuclear weapons.
Do you see why there's a problem
with that statement, John?
Because they've never admitted that they've had them.
So you're telling me that they just admitted
to the president of the United States
that they have nuclear weapons and we still do not have them
in the IAEA treaty.
Now with all due respect to Julian Dory
who I actually like a lot
he's shown his age there and a little bit of youthful naivete.
The big story is not
that they acknowledge that they have nuclear weapons
the big story is that they are blackmailing
the president of the United States
with the threat of using nuclear weapons
if we don't
fight a war for them.
That's the big story.
We all know that they have nuclear weapons.
The big story is that we're going to go start
a massive war
to prevent them
from basically
via extortion or blackmail
however you want to look at it
and risk World War 3
so that their top enemy
is toppled. Holy shit.
Now I'm going to give two constructive criticisms
to Tucker Carlson
and far be it for me to be giving him
any sort of constructive criticism
given that he's so unbelievably successful in this arena.
However, I will say
one thing that really disappointed me
well first off kind of a minor error
but a pretty major one actually
is that he said that he believed
or he had read that President Herzog
was in the Epstein files.
My understanding based off of my reading of the files
is that the Herzog reference
because it was just a last name
he believes that it was the president of Israel
the current president of Israel
was on Epstein's Island. I don't believe that's true.
I think he got that wrong
and for him to bring that as
a kind of skewering question
against Mike Huckabee I think was a big, big mistake
because it undermines his credibility
when it comes to everything else.
So just friendly advice
do a little bit better due diligence before you
do these interviews. I think that was a mistake
but I think the other biggest
kind of problem I have with Tucker
broadly and I understand why he does it
but he refuses
because Huckabee
every criticism that Tucker would levy
he'd say we're
sacrificing our children's future
on behalf of a foreign country and I don't like it
and then Huckabee
his obvious response was
well it sounds like you're criticizing
Donald Trump. You think Donald Trump's done a bad job?
You know and unfortunately
Tucker whether it's
because of his friendship or because
he wants access to the White House
or he's an insider or because his audience
would have been in him some I'm sure some chunk of him
would if he were to go down that path
but the obvious truth is yeah
and I'm sure Tucker feels that way
that yes this is not just
an Obama Bush Clinton
Bush thing
or a Biden thing. This is an
every president in our lifetime thing
and anybody who's being honest
has to acknowledge that fact
all of them carry water for this country
all of them and I understand
that the only way that you get any sort of action
in your favor from
Donald Trump is to be to ingratiate yourself
to him and maybe that's what he's doing
and maybe in private he does tell
Donald Trump look
he's doing the same thing that Charlie Kirk did
this war in Iran it's a non-starter
please please please don't do it
and maybe by continuing to pretend
as if everything Trump does is right
he's able to have
more leverage in those private conversations
that's probably true but
just from my vantage point
someone who will never sit down with Trump
because I have no interest in doing so
and he certainly would have no interest in talking to me
is that I would love for Tucker Carlson
to just be honest about this because I think
it leaves out the big picture
the big picture being that
it doesn't matter who's in the White House
they all are at the mercy
of Israel all of them
and until that changes
we simply don't have a country
we certainly don't have a government
and she told me
she had talked to so many reporters
in mainstream media I mean pretty much
every outlet you can think of
and they just would not tell her story
she said as soon as I
every time I would bring up Wexner
they always cut it out
and she told me Wexner's the head of the snake
is what she said she said of this whole operation
he's the head of the snake
he's the guy
he's the brains of this
he's the guy that's coordinating this
all from his mansions
this is the guy in charge
and essentially
and I mean other people have said this
Epstein was basically just like a project manager
he was like mid-level management
in terms of this scheme
hard pivot let's talk about Les Wexner
holy shit so I wanted to start off
with the Whitney Webb interview with Tim Dillon
from back in 2020 because
it's prescient and it's very important
before we look at the interview
of Les Wexner
Les Wexner for those that aren't familiar
started the mega group back in the 1990s
co-founded by Charles Bronfen
and Les Wexner
with the explicit goal of
basically lobbying and creating
leverage on behalf of the nation
of Israel now Les Wexner
is an American. Other than Wexner
what were some of the other things that
she had told you that
specifically mainstream
media would not allow her to say
or would cut out? Well it was
specifically anything to do with Wexner
and a lot of other things
it was just so much because
I had read about her story in mainstream media
because they reported on her
and honestly
she said everything that she had told me
she had told them and less than 5%
ended up in mainstream media
Are you of the opinion that
Wexner is an
asset of either a foreign
intelligence service or our intelligence
service? She said
that he's Masad
that's what she said
and that he's part of
the mob
the mafia
he said it's organized crime
and in my series I point that out too
that he has basically
documented ties to the national crime
syndicate which is the Jewish and Italian mafia
So let's hear what Les Wexner
had to say yesterday in his defense
Epstein stole or otherwise
misappropriated several hundred
million dollars from Wexner
that misconduct together
with the fees that Epstein
paid himself for his services
to Wexner appears to account
for virtually all
of Epstein's wealth
so several hundred
million dollars is a large
but not precise figure
to the best of your knowledge
how much exactly did Epstein
steal? I don't know
I don't think I'll ever know
I'd like to try to understand a little
bit better how Epstein was able
to steal or
misappropriate that many
funds
one way reportedly
is that
the trust that we described earlier
which I know you said you have no recollection of
I just want to be thorough
the trust that he was trustee of
would receive gifts of
limited stock
and he would then sell that stock
on the New York Stock Exchange
and then use a portion of those proceeds
for his own personal
purposes. Do you have any knowledge
or recollection of what I just described?
I think I'm surprised
I
shocked
I didn't know this. Is it that you have not previously
heard what I just described?
I've never heard of it
never saw this document
and it was publicly reported I think by ABC
several years ago but not
ever on your radar
never. So that's Les Wexner
a guy who
in 1991
signed a power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein
he's also to this day
the richest man in the state of Ohio
and he
was robbed to the tune of
hundreds of millions of dollars
by Jeffrey Epstein
who had a power of attorney over his
estate and Les Wexner
the richest man in Ohio wants you to
believe that he had no idea
that he had no idea
let me tell you as a former money
manager a guy who managed
hundreds of millions of dollars
I knew a lot of rich people
and let me tell you
none of them
would misplace over
a hundred million dollars
doesn't ever fucking
happen. You don't become a billionaire
by losing hundreds of millions of dollars
and you just don't even look into it
you don't even know that it's occurred. So how did
Wexner get in contact with Epstein
you might be wondering. As that
business relationship became
closer and you eventually hired him
I assume he
he pitched his services in some way
what was his way of framing
what he was offering to you. I think
it was his experience
at an industrial level
like looking for a big company
like Bear Stearns
and they had done personal
work for the Rothschild family
in France. Personal
wealth management essentially
I don't know.
So he doesn't have a fucking clue
what skill set Jeffrey Epstein brought to the table
all he knows
is that he worked with the Rothschilds
this is classic
Russian espionage
is it not folks?
Oh my god
oh it's so crazy
I mean it's so crazy that
we even have to like
actually make an argument
when the evidence is just
all so in your face
as to what this was
so the reason I wanted to tie these
two stories together is because I think that
the obvious concern
for most people that have paid attention
to both of these stories
both of these narratives over the past couple
years is that how intertwined
are they? How much does
what the
I'm not even saying specifically the Epstein operation
I'm saying what the Epstein operation
entailed
what was it broad based
and if you believe as I do
that it was about creating
leverage or
gaining favor with rich
and powerful people in corporate America
as well as in governments all over the world
that
was it about sexual
compromise and if that is part of it
then is that the reason that so many of our
politicians don't represent us
because I think the truth is that
regardless of how much leverage can be
applied through organizations like APEC
and just funding
campaigns and funding competitors against
people like Massier and MTG
if they get out of line I think most of us
recognize at this point that
the world view of
Zionism is such
an existential battle
that's their perspective all the time
existential battle as they're
conquering all of their neighbors
they're existential under threat they're always the victim
even though they're demolishing everybody
around them and once you kind of come to terms
with that you look at it and you go
okay do you think it's really
limited to just
campaign contributions
like do you think that they're not
taking it to the next level
and I think most people
even if you weren't sure about what the
EPC operation entailed just the cover up of it
given all of the evidence we have
as to what it did entail
and then the cover up of it by our own government
tells you that there is something
fucking enormous going on here
because it's not just about
protecting the richest man in Ohio
it's not just about
combating anti-Semitism
it's much much bigger
and I think that
this is the reason I've spent the past
four or five episodes now talking about the
Epstein thing is because
I think that it's all part of the
bigger kind of functional
narrative like how our system
truly functions at its
core which is why
the algorithm has not been
lacking me lately because
I think I'm really fucking onto it right now
I think I'm really really like
over the target big time so
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after his untimely demise
but listen there are
things happening in the background
at the DOJ
that we just need to keep our
eyes on and we need to sort of say listen
the wheels of justice
turn slowly sometimes but they are happening
okay so we should remember
that for a lot of people
this has become a political cause
out of proportion
to what is actually proven
what is actually provable
and yeah more might be coming but
we should remember that there is a lot of
we've been through a few rounds of law fair in our time
it's sad it honestly
makes me sad but I just wanted to say
I am still following
the Charlie Kirk case very closely if you guys are
interested in me doing a update episode
I have quite a bit to talk about
at this point I haven't done one in like
I don't know maybe a month now
so if you're interested to drop a comment down below
let me know if there's enough interest
I will do one and if there's not then I'll just keep it
moving there's a hell of a lot of news happening
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love you guys, peace
I don't anticipate Leslie Wexner
being arrested at any point
he is
far too powerful
his money is everywhere
and honestly he has extremely deep
ties to numerous
officials in the Israeli government
through his philanthropies
he focused pretty much the bulk
of the Wexner Foundation
on training up prominent figures
first in the U.S. in the U.S.
in the Jewish community in particular
and now those fellows
those Wexner fellows
essentially run APAC
it has an extremely close relationship with APAC
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