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I like when people subtly but brilliantly change their opinion and challenges the status quo.

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And this to me takes a lot of courage at times because there's a lot of heat from your allies

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and you have in politics you have all these loyalties yet to deal with.

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But I often think of one of my heroes and that was of course my friend was Walter

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Jones because he was so locked in on the foreign policy but he went from you know

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irrational hawkism that you had to bomb and all this stuff to the point where he

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was he was one of the strongest and most influential and individuals and he is

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still remembered by that so I love it when we come across somebody that challenges

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the status quo and decides that yes even though there are a lot of people you know

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went along with this but there's people like this all the time and sometimes you

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never hear from them.