WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.320 were joined by the presidential candidate in Romania, who won the first round of the elections, 00:06.760 --> 00:11.380 Caelan George Escu. And I just wanted to do a quick highlight of the timeline of events 00:11.380 --> 00:16.700 so people are aware. I said they had a first round of elections on November 24th. His unexpected 00:16.700 --> 00:22.540 win caused widespread surprise and concern. That's what they say. The constitutional court 00:22.540 --> 00:28.940 then ordered a recount on November 28th. On December 2nd, the court validated the election 00:28.940 --> 00:35.720 results. Then on December 6th, the court turned course and annulled those election results 00:36.460 --> 00:40.460 at the, whilst the second round voting was happening, as I understand it. The constitutional court said, 00:40.540 --> 00:46.920 in particular, that it was the, quote, illegal use of digital technologies, including artificial 00:46.920 --> 00:53.780 intelligence, as well as the use of undeclared sources of funding. It said one candidate, 00:54.040 --> 00:58.560 the person we're talking with, received preferential treatment on social media platforms, 00:58.560 --> 01:03.720 which resulted in the, quote, distortion of the voter's expressed will. I have to say, 01:03.740 --> 01:09.760 this reminds me of what happened, what was alleged with Trump during the 2016 election. 01:10.900 --> 01:15.440 So it's pretty crazy. Doug, what, what, what did, we'll start off the first question for, 01:15.440 --> 01:21.840 for, for our guest. Yeah, I really think it's scandalous, Caelan. We're, we're not in Romania. 01:22.700 --> 01:26.800 I've been there several times over the years. Oddly enough, the first time, 01:26.800 --> 01:32.720 Christmas, I don't know, New Year's Eve in 1967, it was when I first entered Romania. 01:33.420 --> 01:40.220 But it's scandalous that about these things, what don't these people like about you? What do you 01:40.220 --> 01:50.420 think? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for, for this point. You know, there are one or two, 01:50.420 --> 01:59.400 two main topics on this subject. First of all, that they didn't expect simply that 02:01.120 --> 02:12.920 Romanian people can, can take the leadership if I can say. So simply they consider that 02:13.880 --> 02:20.640 everything can continue. The political and the oligarch system can control everything, 02:21.000 --> 02:25.740 controlling the votes, control the democracy, which I guess doesn't exist. 02:27.240 --> 02:35.180 And nobody cares about the people needs. This is number one. And number two, 02:36.560 --> 02:45.700 is we discuss about another paradigm, another, as I said, we have to change the system, 02:45.920 --> 02:53.840 other people. And they, they don't agree that because my project for Romania 02:55.040 --> 03:02.380 was only one piece and not only for Romania, for the region. In the moment when they hear about 03:02.380 --> 03:07.940 this, they simply, they can accept this because they're looking for just the war. 03:09.460 --> 03:15.340 And this is the main subject, which in fact destroy, more or less, the entire Europe. 03:17.340 --> 03:24.540 So these are the main points. And of course, the democracy was simply killed by them 03:25.180 --> 03:31.020 and could be a precedent for any country in the world. And this is a mainly 03:31.020 --> 03:35.580 for the problem, which we have to face now all of us. We look only for a week. 03:36.300 --> 03:42.460 It's for all of us. Because simply they, those people, they cannot accept 03:45.040 --> 03:52.120 the country, the people, they, they, they, they have to change or we are changing. 03:53.020 --> 03:58.700 What are they? What are the idea of changing the system is obviously what scares them. But 03:58.700 --> 04:03.380 was there any besides the, you know, your pro-peace, I get it. You're, you know, you don't 04:03.380 --> 04:09.640 want war. That bothers people. But is there anything like, what in, is there, what in 04:09.640 --> 04:12.620 particular about changing the system? What, what do you mean by that? 04:15.180 --> 04:21.340 The change meant was that my program should work through energy. We can 04:22.000 --> 04:26.300 is a consistent, proven, based on some routine 04:26.300 --> 04:35.100 establishment, which does mean the power of each person to be 04:35.100 --> 04:42.080 economy dependent. It will my point. Economic in depth, I say, does in to spread 04:42.920 --> 04:46.620 private property, the productive private property in most of countries. 04:47.120 --> 04:49.660 Which in other words, we empower so small and 04:49.660 --> 04:53.080 entrepreneurs in college and Romanian entrepreneurs. 04:54.080 --> 05:02.140 And to foster all the activity on the internal economy in a sense that all the, 05:03.640 --> 05:11.640 how I can say, all the values which Romania has, all the, 05:12.340 --> 05:17.360 the rich, the richness, which Romania has have to 05:19.020 --> 05:25.200 elongate to the Romanian people, not to others. So this does mean that 05:27.520 --> 05:32.720 even the, the mineral resources, the water, the land, 05:34.920 --> 05:39.360 everything, it longs to the Romanian people, which does mean Romanian first. 05:40.240 --> 05:45.720 And of course, they cannot accept this because Romania, it's a very rich country. 05:46.000 --> 05:50.720 And of course, they capture already and they want to work. 05:51.760 --> 05:56.580 Exactly what is like after the natural resources, but the natural resources 05:56.580 --> 06:00.640 belongs to their people. At least was my, my point. 06:00.640 --> 06:07.900 I end on this side, the game, that I'm the person who I introduce this 06:07.900 --> 06:15.040 forces to in sprees anyway, the productive farming, which does mean 06:15.620 --> 06:21.160 the state will help the people with this technology, same with mends, 06:21.880 --> 06:28.980 with so local banks, so Romanian bats, in order to sell their ownership. 06:28.980 --> 06:38.460 To help the private entrepreneurs in order to make the welfare for the country. 06:38.900 --> 06:40.080 This is a very important point. 06:42.740 --> 06:46.360 Don't give me the, sorry, just one second, sir. 06:46.920 --> 06:51.200 Okay, but maybe, maybe there's more to it than that. 06:52.560 --> 06:56.620 Maybe the fact that you don't want to see, if I'm correct, 06:57.040 --> 07:03.360 you don't want to see mass immigration to Romania from alien cultures. 07:04.680 --> 07:06.900 This is another point, yes. 07:07.420 --> 07:14.800 And also, you don't want to see the Romanian people used in a medical experiment 07:14.800 --> 07:22.140 for these new vaccines, which I think impress us as being very dangerous. 07:23.120 --> 07:29.940 And of course, the big thing is that you don't want to get involved in this war 07:29.940 --> 07:33.040 that NATO is fomenting against the Russians. 07:34.500 --> 07:38.660 So you're at odds with these people in Brussels. 07:39.520 --> 07:41.580 What are you going to do about that? 07:42.020 --> 07:46.460 Now that, now that they're knocking you out of the presidency, what are you, 07:46.580 --> 07:47.680 what can you do about it? 07:48.900 --> 07:54.420 Well, I said very clearly now, if I'm introduced, when they ask me what I have to do, 07:54.560 --> 07:58.800 what, what I shall do, whether when I should be president or related result, 08:00.600 --> 08:02.240 the support for Ukraine. 08:02.500 --> 08:05.020 And I said very clear that the support will be stopped. 08:06.180 --> 08:10.020 And the war have to be stopped immediately. 08:10.580 --> 08:16.240 We have nothing to do with this war, nothing to do with everything which has happened there. 08:16.840 --> 08:20.100 And we have to take care about our own country first. 08:21.100 --> 08:24.800 So again, Romania first, not second, first. 08:25.660 --> 08:34.560 In this moment, based on what they, they did so far, the politicians in Romania, 08:34.560 --> 08:39.340 yeah, he's living in Romania first, he's Ukrainian, Ukrainian first. 08:40.400 --> 08:44.440 So when it's speaking, we have to take care about our country. 08:44.880 --> 08:50.300 And moreover, the main important pillar is to hold for the stock. 08:51.000 --> 08:58.140 It's so crazy war, which is, it's not good for nobody. 08:58.740 --> 09:00.520 This is the only one of the constraints. 09:01.180 --> 09:04.120 The war, in general, is not good. 09:04.540 --> 09:12.520 We had in 2000, in 2004, there were many, and we have a war in the middle of the world. 09:13.300 --> 09:18.520 Of course, our country has been in this absolutely critical, 09:19.780 --> 09:25.360 don't use the diplomacy first and use their weapons. 09:26.360 --> 09:29.060 So it's not, okay, it's not critical. 09:30.680 --> 09:32.280 Realistic, essentially. 09:36.300 --> 09:38.400 You're absolutely right, I think. 09:39.200 --> 09:44.420 Do you think that the European Union is going to fall apart? 09:45.120 --> 09:51.200 Because Orban in Hungary is at odds with the EU. 09:52.540 --> 09:55.480 The German government is falling apart. 09:55.700 --> 09:57.480 The French government is falling apart. 09:59.600 --> 10:03.160 Maybe the European Union is going to fall apart, 10:03.160 --> 10:07.580 because these people in Brussels are trying to be dictators. 10:07.880 --> 10:08.900 What do you think about that? 10:10.140 --> 10:16.300 Look how it's, our lands, we didn't receive our lands from Brussels or from Washington. 10:17.200 --> 10:22.240 We receive our lands from God in the spirit of God. 10:22.860 --> 10:26.820 So we have to respect our land, we have to respect our people, 10:26.820 --> 10:29.980 and moreover, we have to respect the Pyongyang people. 10:30.160 --> 10:31.240 So here I am. 10:31.860 --> 10:38.460 I don't care what they are doing, but I care in order to have hyper-magic approach 10:38.460 --> 10:40.860 and dialogue with everybody. 10:41.760 --> 10:47.980 I'm looking to stay on the table with the 80% of people. 10:48.960 --> 10:55.360 This being of peace, as we condemn, the legal process, 10:55.640 --> 10:58.100 not just for them, it's nothing for us. 10:59.020 --> 11:04.860 Romania right now, it's us about the country, it's more than 20%. 11:04.860 --> 11:09.720 Well, it's pretty shocking. 11:14.420 --> 11:15.740 It's pretty shocking. 11:16.440 --> 11:22.980 Yeah, I mean, you won the election, the court approved it, 11:23.100 --> 11:24.760 and then they changed their mind. 11:25.160 --> 11:28.200 It's like somebody talked to the members of the court 11:28.200 --> 11:30.440 and got them to change their minds. 11:31.080 --> 11:34.360 I mean, this is quite shameful. 11:34.920 --> 11:35.820 What can you do? 11:36.260 --> 11:37.680 Is there anything you can do? 11:38.440 --> 11:39.180 Yeah, absolutely. 11:39.540 --> 11:43.060 The problem is that the interests of politicians, 11:43.720 --> 11:48.040 in for justice, which does mean that we have not justice, 11:48.380 --> 11:53.880 but I'm sure that there are people with distinctive justice. 11:55.380 --> 12:01.200 It was a system, and that we're sure that there will be a real decision, 12:01.980 --> 12:07.160 which by the way, I have to kind of support on what they wanted. 12:08.860 --> 12:13.580 It is hopefully to take this decision. 12:14.160 --> 12:18.040 So what I can ask for the international community 12:18.680 --> 12:21.760 is to speak about these subjects, 12:22.640 --> 12:27.280 make a pression about the democracy to be stolen again, 12:27.640 --> 12:28.000 to compete. 12:28.560 --> 12:31.900 It was right now, it's us about the dictatorship. 12:32.860 --> 12:38.200 And here we are, because it's what you can do to everybody, 12:38.600 --> 12:39.660 the international community. 12:40.100 --> 12:42.020 Because again, with your precedence, 12:42.740 --> 12:46.620 with any country it was, I think it's like in the case. 12:52.080 --> 12:54.840 Well, we're on your side, 12:55.080 --> 12:59.820 and anything that we can do to make people aware of this, 12:59.820 --> 13:06.440 because most Americans are unaware of what's going on in Romania. 13:07.660 --> 13:08.620 It's a pity. 13:12.160 --> 13:21.260 They are aware of that, because if this is why they insist that we push 13:21.260 --> 13:25.260 or we should report which country we vote out, 13:25.920 --> 13:30.960 this does mean that the authoritarian dictatorship 13:30.960 --> 13:33.260 has a sense that we're on the cheap option. 13:35.580 --> 13:38.320 They have an emergency situation, 13:39.820 --> 13:45.520 and this does prevent the current President Biden from taking place. 13:47.160 --> 13:48.260 It's exactly like in Romania. 13:48.260 --> 13:54.540 So here we discuss about the data, and definitely here we are. 13:54.960 --> 13:56.940 We discuss about the data here. 13:57.300 --> 14:01.720 And I'm totally surprised that international community, 14:02.320 --> 14:05.600 not the media, not the journalists, there are a lot. 14:07.220 --> 14:10.800 But we discuss about the official position for the United States, 14:11.000 --> 14:14.600 that being the situation critical of democracy will mean. 14:16.740 --> 14:23.360 Well, perhaps when Trump is inaugurated, hopefully on January 20th, 14:23.560 --> 14:26.800 the position of the United States towards this will change, 14:26.900 --> 14:30.940 and you will get some serious support from the US. 14:31.780 --> 14:32.500 It's similar. 14:33.020 --> 14:39.280 I disagree with this point, because we are not in the position as human being, 14:39.280 --> 14:43.160 and as a country, I'm speaking about America, 14:43.220 --> 14:46.920 who's a strong leader and milestone basis in democracy 14:47.320 --> 14:50.560 to wait until the January 20th with your permission. 14:51.320 --> 14:52.940 Have you here a position? 14:54.320 --> 14:58.360 Quickly, because today already we discuss about two weeks 14:59.520 --> 15:03.840 already from the coup d'etat, which was happened in December 6th. 15:04.720 --> 15:10.640 And in two weeks' time, we have not any official position 15:10.640 --> 15:12.520 from the United States particularly. 15:13.440 --> 15:16.640 So I'm not the waiting, we discuss about our dignity. 15:16.960 --> 15:19.120 We discuss about our people. 15:19.580 --> 15:25.940 We discuss about, again, a precedent, which could happen everywhere, 15:26.400 --> 15:27.660 or any place in the world. 15:28.280 --> 15:31.460 So there's not a point to wait until January 20th. 15:31.460 --> 15:34.180 Even after January 20th, we know very well, 15:34.320 --> 15:35.840 how is the situation in the United States, 15:35.940 --> 15:37.720 which is not easy, economic, social. 15:38.340 --> 15:39.260 There are so many problems. 15:40.180 --> 15:46.420 We discuss about the simple gist of dignity of human being, 15:47.280 --> 15:51.660 of realistic terms to have someone to say, 15:51.900 --> 15:54.800 hey, what we are doing with the democracy of the world? 15:55.460 --> 16:04.420 Because it's the first time when it's happened such a thing in the world, 16:04.840 --> 16:06.120 which is crazy, absolutely crazy. 16:06.580 --> 16:10.600 There's someone to cancel the election, to cancel the vote. 16:11.380 --> 16:15.100 It was already from Friday morning, the vote was starting, by the way, 16:15.960 --> 16:17.740 outside of Romania. 16:18.360 --> 16:22.060 And they closed the votes in the afternoon, which doesn't mean 16:22.060 --> 16:28.620 we had already more than 40,000 voters until that time. 16:29.280 --> 16:30.920 And they canceled the vote. 16:32.220 --> 16:34.300 And what is going on here? 16:35.340 --> 16:39.200 And is not there any reaction, any official reaction? 16:40.500 --> 16:43.700 I'm sorry, sir, how are the people there, 16:44.040 --> 16:47.320 your supporters responding to this in Romania today? 16:48.660 --> 16:50.960 Well, myself for all the time, 16:50.960 --> 16:57.060 I said that the only democracy for us is the vote, 16:57.180 --> 17:01.160 and we have to continue to plead to vote, to heed our freedom, 17:02.180 --> 17:05.340 to believe in what we can do as free people. 17:05.920 --> 17:10.120 And I ask the people who are just privileged to stay calm, 17:10.480 --> 17:14.220 to stay relaxed, and to weigh the decision of the courts. 17:14.860 --> 17:15.740 This was my position. 17:15.740 --> 17:20.980 It is, of course, my position was, I mean, I don't want to 17:23.560 --> 17:27.660 ask about other pre-festation, because we are here, I disagree that 17:28.840 --> 17:33.260 my only position, which I agree, and I talk about this before, is the vote. 17:33.740 --> 17:39.220 The vote is a freedom of the people for it. 17:39.720 --> 17:42.600 So we have to continue to believe on that, to believe in justice, 17:42.600 --> 17:46.540 and the justice to make the job. 17:57.180 --> 18:03.740 Right, and so there's a court case, as I understood quickly on Monday, 18:04.020 --> 18:05.700 hearing regarding the matter. 18:06.600 --> 18:15.660 Yeah, Monday morning is hopefully to give the Romanian people the right to see, 18:15.920 --> 18:18.420 in order to continue with the second round. 18:23.240 --> 18:25.920 Okay, so we'll know more next week. 18:26.340 --> 18:31.980 And maybe the story will have a happy ending after all as of next week. 18:32.460 --> 18:33.080 Do you think so? 18:33.600 --> 18:39.520 We are strongly believed, I believe in God, all the Romanian people believe in God, 18:39.720 --> 18:47.580 and we are sure that the last decision we've had, and the ultimate decision is from God. 18:48.120 --> 18:50.780 We are strongly believed on that, and we are sure that 18:51.740 --> 18:54.580 everything will be okay until the end. 18:54.580 --> 19:03.560 But of course, also we cannot accept that this is happening in Romania 19:03.560 --> 19:12.300 after 35 years, after the revolution in 1999, where actually we had more than 1,000 people killed, 19:12.840 --> 19:13.980 just for freedom. 19:15.700 --> 19:21.500 Yes, your country has a very recent history of a hard won freedom, 19:21.500 --> 19:24.900 and most countries in the world do not have that recent experience. 19:25.160 --> 19:29.780 So your people know how it was under the old system, fought for a new one. 19:30.540 --> 19:32.000 Yeah, totally active with youth, exactly. 19:32.960 --> 19:37.740 So very much appreciate the interview with you, very much appreciate your support. 19:38.460 --> 19:47.640 And of course, we are totally together, all of us, but the Christmas time is coming very soon. 19:48.940 --> 19:51.880 And the Christmas night, that means that we need to be together. 19:52.740 --> 19:54.880 The people have to be together everywhere. 19:55.340 --> 20:01.020 You don't need one country, but everywhere in the planet for freedom, for peace, and for cooperation. 20:02.260 --> 20:06.940 So thank you very much again, and looking forward for your relationship working this summer. 20:08.460 --> 20:09.160 Thank you, sir. 20:09.300 --> 20:11.200 We'll do our best to get the word out about this. 20:11.260 --> 20:15.720 And if there are events next week that come up or might be worthy to have a discussion, 20:15.720 --> 20:18.020 again, we'd be happy to do it here once the quarter. 20:19.040 --> 20:20.700 They're thinking, looking for okay. 20:21.180 --> 20:22.420 Thank you, sirs. 20:22.720 --> 20:25.040 We wish you well and merry Christmas. 20:34.960 --> 20:35.840 All right. 20:36.060 --> 20:38.320 So Doug, we didn't have them for long. 20:38.860 --> 20:40.380 It's nighttime, not great audio. 20:40.900 --> 20:42.360 I'm just trying to clean it up as best I can. 20:42.440 --> 20:43.940 But what are your thoughts on the situation? 20:45.720 --> 20:48.460 Well, he sounds pretty good to me. 20:49.220 --> 20:58.900 He didn't want to go into his views, which, as far as I know, are favorable about mass migration 20:58.900 --> 21:00.900 and about the vaccine. 21:01.780 --> 21:06.420 And there was a third area where, other than being anti-war, wasn't there? 21:07.200 --> 21:08.700 Yeah, he says a couple of them. 21:09.260 --> 21:16.600 Well, that one was that he believed that the climate change thing was a business scam, 21:16.820 --> 21:18.000 I believe is what he called that. 21:18.360 --> 21:19.080 And there's a few other things. 21:19.240 --> 21:22.380 I asked Chat2DP what are his most controversial ideas. 21:23.200 --> 21:27.060 And they said anti-globalism, because he's arguing that the international institutions 21:27.060 --> 21:30.400 and multinational corporations erode national sovereignty. 21:30.920 --> 21:35.160 So he's also this anti-vaccine stance is what they call it. 21:35.700 --> 21:42.120 As I understand it, I think he wrote the forward for the translation of RFK Jr.'s book, 21:42.420 --> 21:45.900 The Real Anthony Fauci, which is shocking if you haven't read that. 21:46.740 --> 21:48.280 So the climate change denial is another one. 21:48.560 --> 21:49.260 That's business scam. 21:49.800 --> 21:56.560 The opposition to NATO, anti-feminism, the fact that it says, 21:56.720 --> 21:58.220 this is actually shocking to me that has this. 21:58.280 --> 22:03.040 He says his promotion of organic agriculture is a controversial issue. 22:06.220 --> 22:10.580 And then the TikTok driven populism, because this is a candidate, 22:11.400 --> 22:14.520 it did not spend officially on his campaign at all. 22:14.600 --> 22:15.900 And it's all organic. 22:16.280 --> 22:19.520 And supposedly, this is the issue is that he was, 22:20.100 --> 22:24.400 my must have been, you know, they're arguing that it was Russian interference 22:24.400 --> 22:27.700 in some way that it was also popular in social media. 22:28.320 --> 22:31.340 And the other thing is economic isolationism, as they say. 22:32.620 --> 22:35.980 But he argued, he explained a little bit what he meant, but that is 22:36.860 --> 22:42.540 support for small and medium sized businesses and Romanian ownership of the assets of the country, 22:42.740 --> 22:47.460 Romanian citizens versus foreigners, and things like that. 22:47.600 --> 22:50.140 I mean, none of these things are really controversial, I don't think. 22:50.380 --> 22:54.800 I mean, we don't know the particular policies that might be, you know, 22:55.020 --> 22:59.080 but otherwise, I think you can understand why he was so popular, why he is so popular. 22:59.820 --> 23:01.500 I can understand that very much. 23:01.780 --> 23:07.920 And it is absolutely shocking the way the court approved his election 23:07.920 --> 23:11.240 or certified it, I guess it would be in the U.S. 23:11.340 --> 23:17.820 and then changed their minds after some entities or some people talked to them. 23:18.420 --> 23:25.540 I mean, that's on its face, it's, I mean, it's just, it stinks to high heaven. 23:25.540 --> 23:30.800 And incidentally, the same type of thing is going on right now in Georgia, 23:31.580 --> 23:39.760 where this woman who is the current president is looking for intervention from the European Union 23:40.280 --> 23:43.820 to overturn the fact that she lost the elections. 23:44.780 --> 23:51.340 I mean, she'd actually like the EU to get involved and overturn the elections in Georgia 23:51.340 --> 23:53.280 because she lost. 23:53.840 --> 23:57.960 And then trying the color revolution stuff there was going on, right? 23:58.220 --> 24:01.820 I mean, to me, it's, and maybe you figured out, hey, that's not, 24:01.920 --> 24:03.580 that didn't work out so well, we didn't win. 24:03.740 --> 24:07.400 So let's, we have to not allow the election at all to occur. 24:08.280 --> 24:13.740 Yeah, yeah, elections have actually become a sham where you can't trust the results. 24:14.120 --> 24:19.480 And if the powers of be don't like the results, they'll do their best to invalidate it. 24:19.480 --> 24:25.420 So it's, all of this can be solved just by having complete free markets, 24:25.740 --> 24:29.020 where the government doesn't control the country. 24:30.660 --> 24:37.720 I mean, elections are unimportant if all the government does is have a police force 24:37.720 --> 24:43.020 and a court system and a military to keep active invaders out. 24:46.340 --> 24:51.480 But governments today do everything, but those three things, it doesn't do those three things 24:51.480 --> 24:53.440 effectively, it does everything else. 24:53.880 --> 24:56.900 So of course, everybody is grabbing for the reins of power. 24:57.700 --> 24:58.260 Right. 24:58.480 --> 25:01.260 And yeah, go ahead. 25:01.560 --> 25:06.740 He said, you know, Romania has taken on a Ukraine first policy 25:06.740 --> 25:09.220 rather than a Romanian first policy. 25:09.260 --> 25:11.320 But even not Ukraine, it's not even about Ukraine. 25:11.320 --> 25:13.540 I mean, Ukraine, isn't a Ukraine first policy? 25:14.340 --> 25:14.940 No, it's not. 25:16.540 --> 25:18.160 Yeah, that's, that's right. 25:18.460 --> 25:24.540 We have to fight this, this war against Russia to the absolute last Ukrainian. 25:25.180 --> 25:27.600 It's, it's, it's absolutely insane. 25:30.820 --> 25:36.680 It really, I feel like I'm living in a bizarre world on so many levels, quite frankly. 25:37.380 --> 25:38.860 Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent. 25:38.860 --> 25:41.760 It seems like a sincere and honest guy. 25:42.240 --> 25:45.180 I'm not sure we'd agree with him on every issue, but I'm sure we wouldn't. 25:45.360 --> 25:51.420 But Jesus, I mean, it's insane that it's insane that they just canceled the election like that. 25:51.880 --> 25:56.220 And he said this, so they have Americans might not be familiar, 25:56.400 --> 26:00.240 but a lot of countries have a multiple stages of an election. 26:00.380 --> 26:02.500 They do this in Uruguay here too, where they have, 26:02.580 --> 26:04.660 so you can have a whole bunch of candidates run. 26:04.800 --> 26:07.120 So it's not just closed off to two parties, 26:07.120 --> 26:08.860 basically like it is in the U.S. 26:09.400 --> 26:11.120 And so lots of candidates can get on the ballot. 26:11.200 --> 26:15.000 I think there were 13 total candidates on the ballot he was on. 26:15.420 --> 26:20.120 He comes out the winner of that, and then they, then they have their second round. 26:20.300 --> 26:24.940 And it was while the second round, basically to make sure that the person who wins has 26:24.940 --> 26:26.160 a clear majority. 26:26.320 --> 26:30.320 So they take the two best candidates from the first round, and then they do a runoff. 26:31.040 --> 26:32.400 And to me, I like that. 26:32.420 --> 26:34.020 I love that idea, by the way, because it shows, 26:34.580 --> 26:38.840 it's not so risky for people to express their support for a third party candidate, 26:39.040 --> 26:43.560 for instance, you know, because, you know, if they don't win the first one, 26:43.620 --> 26:45.020 then they can get another chance to vote. 26:45.680 --> 26:53.760 So it was during the election, the final round that the Supreme Court ruled that the first 26:53.760 --> 26:57.040 one was invalid and immediately shut down polling places. 26:57.820 --> 26:59.120 I mean, that's insane. 26:59.120 --> 27:01.440 I mean, it was like the last second with, you know, 27:03.840 --> 27:05.160 I don't know what to say about it, honestly. 27:06.260 --> 27:11.040 Yeah, and actually, you brought up something that it's worth looking at. 27:12.260 --> 27:19.040 Americans think of the two-party system in the U.S. as being part of the cosmic firmament, 27:19.560 --> 27:22.620 like that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it should be. 27:23.180 --> 27:31.820 But you look at the Democratic Party and they put up two people in the last election, 27:33.200 --> 27:40.480 Biden and Harris, who were, you know, one man is in his donage and one person is manifestly stupid 27:40.480 --> 27:42.400 and unqualified totally. 27:43.220 --> 27:49.560 So who put these two people up to represent one of the largest parties? 27:49.560 --> 27:55.700 I mean, and then, of course, under the circumstances, you have to support Trump 27:55.700 --> 28:04.400 for the Republicans, but he's kind of conducted a soft-cooted towel within the Republican Party, 28:04.860 --> 28:09.200 but there's lots and lots of people in the country that don't want either one of them, 28:09.200 --> 28:11.740 but they have absolutely nothing to say about it. 28:12.340 --> 28:18.940 So the two-party system in the U.S., I mean, we can argue, could be replaced by the type 28:18.940 --> 28:24.220 of thing that you have a pre-election and then go from there. 28:24.380 --> 28:26.360 And what was it in the Federalist Papers? 28:27.820 --> 28:33.780 One thing that they always said in the Federalist Papers was that the worst thing that can happen 28:33.780 --> 28:40.120 to a country is that it breaks into factions, but factions, which was a word that was used 28:40.120 --> 28:46.760 a lot in the Federalist Papers, really meant political parties, which was not a phrase that 28:47.520 --> 28:51.740 was used back then. They were called factions, and that's exactly what happened. 28:52.000 --> 28:57.980 And nobody discusses that, just like the fact that you've got these two political parties that, 29:04.140 --> 29:07.340 there's a good argument that can be made that the Democratic Party 29:07.340 --> 29:13.420 is going to cease to exist, just like the Whigs used to exist, and now they no longer do, 29:13.420 --> 29:18.140 and the Federalist Party used to exist, and now it no longer does. 29:19.280 --> 29:23.180 And who knows what's going to happen to the Republican Party, which has become the 29:23.180 --> 29:27.600 MAGA Party. So I don't know. It's a chaotic situation. 29:29.420 --> 29:34.680 Yeah, it's very interesting. I didn't actually realize that that's, I haven't read the Federalist 29:34.680 --> 29:38.020 Papers since I was in high school, and I don't have your memory, so I can't remember 29:38.020 --> 29:45.020 all the details as well. But yeah, it says these divisions can result in the formation 29:45.020 --> 29:49.640 of groups that pursue their interests at the expense of others. So yes, these parties 29:49.640 --> 29:54.380 definitely, and that's how they kept RFK Jr. completely off the ballot. They wouldn't let 29:54.380 --> 30:02.600 them even compete on the Democratic ticket. Yeah, and RFK Jr. had wide support. I mean, 30:02.600 --> 30:09.670 I've seen numbers that would indicate that 20, 25% of the people, which is a huge number in the U.S., 30:10.460 --> 30:15.560 supported him for president, but he couldn't go anywhere because he didn't have control 30:15.560 --> 30:20.140 of the apparatus of either party, and he was blocked out. 30:22.280 --> 30:24.660 It's all a fraud, Doug. I think it's the entire thing. 30:26.200 --> 30:31.160 In this guy's case, because we're all about democracy, all about democracy, 30:31.160 --> 30:37.360 and as soon as it actually, the results are not, don't come out in a predictable way, 30:37.600 --> 30:43.300 or let's say a tolerable way, then they're swept aside. They probably think with 13 candidates, 30:44.100 --> 30:50.960 he's popular, he doesn't have any money though. He's not going to be one of the two 30:50.960 --> 30:57.180 remaining standing. They go to the runoff, and they lost that gamble, and so they canceled the 30:57.180 --> 31:07.580 entire thing. Well, this is happening throughout Europe because in Germany, the AFD party, which has 31:08.320 --> 31:16.620 similar views to what Katelyn has in Romania, and they're more or less 31:18.040 --> 31:26.340 anti-state and free market oriented, more or less, but a vast improvement from an individual's 31:26.340 --> 31:32.920 point of view to all the ultra-leftist parties in Germany, I mean, they try to illegalize 31:33.380 --> 31:40.380 that party, the AFD party in Germany, and the same things happening in France, where Marie 31:40.380 --> 31:49.720 Le Pen, whatever her faults are, was basically blocked out in their last elections, and the 31:49.720 --> 31:55.100 same thing happened in England, where this horrible person, Keir Starmer, was installed. 31:57.500 --> 32:04.460 Democracy really is a sham throughout the Western world, and that goes to Canada as well with Trudeau. 32:05.620 --> 32:12.580 Yeah, exactly. I wonder, yeah, maybe it's always been that way, 32:12.580 --> 32:19.320 and just now the dissension among the people toward the system is so massive that 32:20.440 --> 32:30.840 it's becoming obvious that these problems exist. Yeah, so people aren't going to go out into 32:30.840 --> 32:34.720 the streets with pitchforks and torches the way they might have 100 years ago, 32:35.320 --> 32:41.400 but what are they going to do today if the average person is unhappy? A standard of living 32:41.400 --> 32:48.820 is dropping everywhere. Certainly, well, not the people of the top 10%, their standard of 32:48.820 --> 32:55.480 living is going up. They're becoming wealthier, and especially the top 1%, but the bottom 50% 32:55.480 --> 33:02.600 are losing ground and getting further in debt for credit cards and to finance their cars 33:02.600 --> 33:10.160 and to pay for their stupid college educations and just to live from day to day, 33:10.160 --> 33:16.160 so they're getting rather unhappy. I don't know if we'll reach a boiling point or not. 33:17.240 --> 33:24.280 Well, Mania will be a good test case for this because it's the way he's handled it so far 33:24.280 --> 33:30.700 by telling everybody to just chill out and let's see how the process, like let's use the process, 33:30.880 --> 33:35.820 we got to believe in the process, is smart because if they did anything up until this 33:35.820 --> 33:42.940 point at least they would just be used against them. But the question comes like if this court 33:42.940 --> 33:48.900 case or this hearing on Monday doesn't resolve anything, what are you going to do? These people 33:48.900 --> 33:54.560 who literally fought against the dictator get out of this bad situation not long ago. I mean, 33:54.580 --> 34:02.240 living memory for a good part of the population at least, when something is taken from them 34:02.240 --> 34:08.140 like this so directly, so in their face, so without plausible deniability, how do you think 34:08.140 --> 34:15.260 they might handle it? Yeah, the Romanians had a really nasty dictatorship under Ceausescu, 34:15.460 --> 34:20.380 who was the name of this guy. It was absolutely horrible. And the secret police force that he 34:20.380 --> 34:30.000 had was the second worst in Eastern Europe after the Stasi in Germany. And it was recent 34:30.000 --> 34:36.460 enough that people remember these things and they don't particularly want to be bossed around again. 34:37.040 --> 34:42.900 So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens in Romania, which I'm just guessing. 34:44.020 --> 34:48.680 Not one out of 20 Americans have even heard about this. 34:49.900 --> 34:54.020 I think you're right. And one of the major... Sorry, go ahead. 34:54.020 --> 34:59.960 Oh, I was going to say, I'm guessing one out of 20, but I'm probably overly optimistic. It's 34:59.960 --> 35:04.620 probably like one out of 40 or something. I think you're right. I think you're right. I mean, 35:04.640 --> 35:08.560 I remember seeing headlines about it, but no discussion. And the fact that I'm really 35:08.560 --> 35:14.780 grateful he wanted to come on with us, but the fact that he is not on Fox News talking about it 35:14.780 --> 35:21.080 or in any of the major press talking about it, he has to go to people like us, you know, 35:21.080 --> 35:27.740 is just shows that I think that there's an effort on the part of the powers of B 35:27.740 --> 35:33.420 or whatever the money class, I don't know, to make sure his message is not out there clearly. 35:33.640 --> 35:39.880 Just they want to go away and swoop onto the road. Yeah. The ruling classes in the world, 35:40.080 --> 35:45.700 the international deep state, if you would, don't want to have their rice bowls broken 35:45.700 --> 35:53.240 with people that would disenfranchise the huge amount of power that they have. 35:54.060 --> 36:00.080 So, yeah, no wonder he can't get his message out. And no wonder we tried to overturn his election. 36:00.400 --> 36:04.100 Well, much the same way that they overturned, tried to overturn Trump's election. 36:04.800 --> 36:11.480 And of course, Trump isn't an office shut. So they're capable of anything in between now and 36:11.480 --> 36:18.300 January 20th, I think. Same thing. Yeah. I see they wouldn't, but I've heard rumors of stuff. 36:18.640 --> 36:23.420 I don't want to substantiate them. But what do you think? Until I know more. But what do you 36:23.420 --> 36:30.360 think about the, what effect does this NATO base that they've got in Romania? Is it NATO or US 36:30.360 --> 36:34.560 base in Romania? They've got a big one there. And apparently, I wonder how much that factors 36:34.560 --> 36:40.140 into the equation. Well, of course, when we say NATO base, we really mean a US base, 36:40.140 --> 36:46.240 because none of the other countries in NATO bring any, bring very much to the party at all, 36:46.380 --> 36:58.220 militarily, quite frankly. So it's, perhaps it's a sign of a declining degraded empire like the 36:58.220 --> 37:05.780 US is. They're going supernova. It's like a star that's blowing up. It's at its brightest, 37:05.780 --> 37:11.560 just when it's coming to its end. And I think that's the case with the US. It's 37:12.060 --> 37:18.920 financially bankrupt, economically in trouble, sociologically unstable. But the stock market's 37:18.920 --> 37:24.160 hitting new highs. Not the last few days. It's been a little rough, I think. 37:27.020 --> 37:33.020 Yeah. Yeah, this could all come on blued just overnight. So I don't know. 37:34.480 --> 37:38.820 We're on the edge of chaos the way I see it. That doesn't mean that tomorrow morning, 37:38.940 --> 37:44.680 everything is going to change even next week. But it's a slow degradation for the people on the 37:44.680 --> 37:52.500 bottom half of society. And on the top half, things could fall apart very, very, very, very 37:52.500 --> 38:00.040 quickly on a number of levels. And I'm not even counting the possibility of nuclear war, 38:00.040 --> 38:06.640 whether it starts in the Ukraine, with the Russians or with the Israelis and the 38:06.640 --> 38:13.660 Israelis and the Iranians. Because of course, if the Israelis push this thing with the Iranians 38:14.360 --> 38:21.280 very far, like many other countries, the Iranians are well known to be on the edge 38:21.280 --> 38:27.440 of creating their own nuclear weapons. It's no longer rocket science, even rocket science, 38:28.000 --> 38:32.220 to be able to create a nuclear weapon. And of all people in the world, 38:34.280 --> 38:43.100 the Israelis should be afraid of nuclear weapons being used. But the Iranians can get them. Listen, 38:43.200 --> 38:48.040 they can get them from the Pakistanis who have lots of them and who are fellow Muslims, 38:48.640 --> 38:53.960 in addition to the fact that they're on the point of making their own. And if the Israelis 38:53.960 --> 39:00.880 try to preemptively take out the Iranian facilities to build their own, 39:02.540 --> 39:07.560 they'll just come back and do it again. Or maybe they'll just buy some bombs from the 39:07.560 --> 39:14.060 Pakistanis. Or maybe there are still bombs floating around from the collapse of the 39:14.060 --> 39:20.000 Soviet Union 30 years ago, possibly. That's one of the allegations or something 39:20.000 --> 39:26.120 around that with this drone activity in New Jersey. It was one of the theories that they're, 39:26.120 --> 39:32.160 I don't know if you've seen this or not, that they're like nuke snippers in some way. 39:34.680 --> 39:40.680 And nobody says, to me, this is actually one of the most amazing things 39:41.240 --> 39:47.280 that I've seen the U.S. government do when it comes to pure duplicity and incompetence, 39:47.940 --> 39:56.660 is this is well known. I mean, throughout the U.S. that there are hundreds of drones and 39:57.300 --> 40:02.480 many, many, many, many thousands of millions of sightings of these drones floating around the 40:02.480 --> 40:10.220 Northeast U.S. at night. And the U.S. government says, well, we don't know, but if we know 40:11.020 --> 40:17.560 they're not dangerous and don't worry, nothing to see here, it's absolutely insane. And the 40:17.560 --> 40:23.380 average person has got to think, you know what, we have a military and the military has got 40:23.380 --> 40:29.260 lots of helicopters throughout the Northeast. Why don't they put up some helicopters with 40:29.260 --> 40:37.480 spotlights or at least night vision devices and shine them on the drones and see what they are. 40:37.480 --> 40:45.380 Maybe even force a couple down, which wouldn't be very hard to do. And who is putting up all these 40:45.380 --> 40:50.780 drones? What are they doing? What are their capabilities? They're not doing this. And this 40:50.780 --> 40:56.380 is going on for weeks and weeks with nothing but denials from these corrupt government officials. 40:57.060 --> 41:03.920 I mean, this has got to be a disconnect going on in the average American's mind at this point. 41:03.920 --> 41:12.380 It's gone too far. What do you think is plausible? What do you think is going on with the drones? 41:13.420 --> 41:22.660 The most plausible excuse that I've heard is that there's a nuclear device or some type of 41:22.660 --> 41:30.160 radiological weapon or something of that nature that's gotten out of the bag and they're trying 41:30.160 --> 41:39.260 to find it. Okay, that makes sense. But running drones around at night to try to find it, 41:40.280 --> 41:44.480 I don't think that helps the situation. I mean, you'd think that there would be some way, 41:44.720 --> 41:49.420 if that was the case, that they could do it during the daytime in that such a 41:50.480 --> 41:55.520 chaotic and mismanaged manner. So if they alerted the public about it, 41:55.520 --> 42:00.880 I think this is a plausible scenario one that is, I agree, the most plausible. 42:02.380 --> 42:06.600 If they were doing it during the day, would alert the public too much about it, 42:06.720 --> 42:11.720 where the public would clearly be able to see and watch what's going on and be like, 42:12.600 --> 42:17.500 this something they would ask too many questions. And if they had to alert them that no work, 42:17.600 --> 42:20.460 we actually are concerned that there could be something like this out there, 42:20.460 --> 42:25.440 that there would be panic in that highly populated area, wouldn't there? 42:26.400 --> 42:34.120 Maybe, but there's already something verging on panic. And if they're looking for a nuclear device 42:34.120 --> 42:41.580 or radiological device, wouldn't they have already centered their search towards one area 42:42.020 --> 42:45.600 and then go in with boots on the ground to look at it as opposed to 42:45.600 --> 42:51.820 having pods apparently of three or four or five drones at once floating around 42:51.820 --> 42:58.580 and large drones, stop little toy drones? I mean, this does nothing but create suspicion. 42:59.040 --> 43:00.780 Somebody's head's got a role for this. 43:02.180 --> 43:07.000 Yeah. I mean, if it is a radiological weapon or this, 43:07.320 --> 43:12.980 I mean, you can imagine them doing drones at night and then during the day they just 43:12.980 --> 43:17.120 and then also by day and night, they probably have, you know, ground based stuff running around 43:17.120 --> 43:23.980 trucks that are, you know, that don't draw as much attention driving around areas as well, 43:24.060 --> 43:28.620 trying to collect that data. But, you know, obviously, if there's something 43:29.800 --> 43:36.700 terrible happens with this, you know, it is would it might affect the election results 43:36.700 --> 43:41.680 here in a way, right? I mean, couldn't this create that plausible scenario where 43:43.800 --> 43:49.560 emergency powers need to be evoked and the, you know, the election can be set aside and that 43:49.560 --> 43:57.720 could delay Trump getting into office? Well, there's been a transfer of power during 43:58.960 --> 44:05.560 declared wars in the past. So would that really be an excuse? But then again, as 44:10.140 --> 44:17.460 George, as Kale and George Esku has just pointed out, you know, this can happen right before your 44:17.460 --> 44:24.420 very eyes. So anything could happen, anything could happen at this point in the United States 44:24.420 --> 44:30.660 and they'll come up with some kind of a plausible, basically bullshit excuse, but 44:31.800 --> 44:39.340 kind of plausible why you can't have Trump in office. Who knows? I mean, you can't trust anything 44:39.340 --> 44:45.360 these days and you can't trust the media. And as nice as it is that we can get boots on the 44:45.360 --> 44:53.480 ground reporting from hundreds of blogsters that are out there. Can you really, which ones of 44:53.480 --> 44:59.860 them can you really rely on? And what facilities do they have to get actual accurate news? 45:00.560 --> 45:06.820 So you can't trust the mass media and you can't trust, well, it really gets back to 45:07.420 --> 45:14.360 what you should do is look out for number one, make sure that your own personal life is in 45:14.360 --> 45:19.500 order and do the best you can to help your family and friends and neighbors 45:21.600 --> 45:25.160 and expand things slowly from there. But 45:26.580 --> 45:32.060 what are you saying? Basically have a responsibility for all that's in your control 45:32.060 --> 45:34.200 and focus your energy there. That's what you're saying. 45:34.860 --> 45:44.140 Why not to be overly distracted with crazy rumors that are going on way beyond your control 45:44.140 --> 45:53.040 or even actual knowledge? I heard there are flying saucers out there. You could start any 45:53.040 --> 45:57.500 kind of a rumor and it might get lagged and people would repeat it today. 45:58.320 --> 46:03.060 Well, it's not so much reliable. You can't trust anything and you certainly can't trust 46:03.060 --> 46:10.020 the US government. I want to add to the rumors a little bit now which is going to 46:10.420 --> 46:16.560 what you say we should do is that I saw this democratic guy talking about how 46:17.300 --> 46:24.360 that starting on December 20th that they were going to do something to counteract the victory. 46:25.620 --> 46:31.580 Just a guy talking, it was into, I was on TikTok or something posted on Twitter. 46:32.360 --> 46:36.760 And then I see this morning when I got up a post on Twitter that says 46:37.640 --> 46:42.080 Kamala Harris just abruptly canceled her planned trip to California and quote, 46:42.540 --> 46:47.980 raised to the White House per reporters. Biden also just returned to DC after being 46:47.980 --> 46:52.560 expected to stay in Delaware until after Christmas. Is something going on? 46:54.620 --> 46:59.520 I heard about that last night. My wife who monitors these things told me that 47:00.160 --> 47:08.800 Kamala was rushed to the White House with sirens and red lights and all this type of thing. 47:09.820 --> 47:13.720 Why would that be necessary? What's the point? What's going on? 47:14.820 --> 47:18.420 Has there been any explanation of this so far? 47:19.100 --> 47:26.440 There has not. But to me it is funny that this is basically happening on December 20th 47:26.440 --> 47:31.060 which is what that guy was just saying in that video like is if I don't know that there were 47:31.060 --> 47:38.320 some plan and then you have put this together with the drone incidents that are ongoing in New Jersey 47:39.380 --> 47:46.620 added to this radical action that was taken in Romania to overturn that election there. 47:47.380 --> 47:51.380 And you know these are we don't know the we don't know all the details 47:51.380 --> 47:56.360 in any of these things but those things together that like those those details together paint a very 47:56.900 --> 48:03.100 dire picture that make me to reconsider my position on the idea that oh he'll come Trump will 48:03.100 --> 48:08.000 be in office on January 20th. They aren't going to do anything stupid. I think it'll be okay. 48:09.320 --> 48:15.340 You know it makes me wish that I really only cared about what the Kardashians 48:15.860 --> 48:22.620 and professional football teams were doing. It would make life so much more simple and let's 48:22.620 --> 48:27.800 worry some quite frankly. Well this is what most Americans I think decided a while ago and 48:27.800 --> 48:32.740 have checked out every kind of important matter and are only focused on entertainment so. 48:34.500 --> 48:39.600 Yeah yeah well I guess it's cheap entertainment as long as they don't blow the world up which 48:39.600 --> 48:47.700 is entirely possible at this point really. It really is. Okay well I think it would be interesting if 48:47.700 --> 48:56.260 whatever happens on Monday especially if things don't go the way that that Kalin hopes on Monday 48:56.260 --> 48:59.880 that maybe we can get them back on and get another 20 minutes with them just to get an update 48:59.880 --> 49:06.560 if you're up for it. Oh I definitely be up for it and I hope that we can get a proper video 49:06.560 --> 49:10.000 hookup with them as opposed to a cell phone which is pretty marginal. 49:11.000 --> 49:16.980 Yeah and he's he's obviously it's he was uh he's five hours ahead of us in the northern 49:16.980 --> 49:22.480 hemisphere so it's like 5 p.m. his time in Romania and dark. It makes me happy to be in 49:22.480 --> 49:27.460 the southern hemisphere right now where it's summer. Well and that's and that's not the 49:27.460 --> 49:33.500 only reason why it's nice to be down here quite frankly and uh no I'm sure he can get a good 49:34.120 --> 49:39.280 set up because it's not like Romania is a primitive and backward country because it's not. 49:40.360 --> 49:45.680 Not it isn't. Okay well we'll see if we can do that and we'll see if anything really interesting 49:45.680 --> 49:50.720 happens this weekend with with maybe maybe Kamala being rushed to the White House could 49:50.720 --> 49:57.540 lead to an interesting news weekend. Yeah yeah that's right anything is possible I mean let 49:57.540 --> 50:02.540 your imagination go absolutely wild because it's all possible at this point. 50:03.060 --> 50:08.600 Maybe it's maybe they made contact with the these drones they're not drones they're UFOs and maybe 50:08.600 --> 50:14.440 the aliens they wanted to talk to her leader and so she's rushing to the scene to make sure she's 50:14.440 --> 50:21.160 there. That's really comical it's like something out of idiocracy I think what came all up for us 50:21.680 --> 50:28.920 is being our our leader of all people oh well. All right well I'll uh yeah I'll see if I can clean 50:28.920 --> 50:34.680 up his audio a little bit and I'll get this published and see hopefully people can hear it well enough 50:35.140 --> 50:40.540 and then we'll be back next week with more. Okay great good week. Thanks. You too.