Hey friends, welcome. Thanks for being here. I'm really honored to have Steve Falkner today and him and I've been talking through telegram and social media and finally get to hang out on screen together.
Welcome Steve. How are you doing today man?
Yeah, really good brother. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, we were on our little secret society telegram group which won't be named and
Yeah, I've been following your work so it's really nice to finally actually sit and talk like I think it's going to be cool. I'd like to get out there. I'm into like psychonautic stuff. I'm really into
I'm into the other the other the metaphysical that's really where I'm really liking to be these days.
Cool man. Good to have you exploring that and you've shared some of your history and it's really really powerful stuff that's happened to you and
For me too, you know, I don't a lot of people might not believe these stories that you and I have where like these psychedelic kind of breakthroughs happen and you had access to things even when you're not on substances.
That's kind of my main message is we don't need and I party. I'm not claiming that I don't work with substances ever. I have fun in this world and I've learned to work with those medicines or whatever you want to call it drugs.
Caffeine cannabis alcohol mushrooms like I think it's an incredible way to celebrate life sometimes and but I also practice not being with it ever like for long periods of time.
And I have bigger breakthroughs in my dreaming when I'm sober because I'm saving all that energy for that that that alone.
But I appreciate you dropped a gem in the telegram group about some people can work with alcohol every day and they know how to connect directly to source through the sunlight.
There's sun gazers there, you know, a lot of the old Indians I learned from where sip whiskey and like cross canyons at night in the dark because they could enter those altered states with the medicines.
And I've heard you and Steve talk about Steve Young about alchemy and that it has to do with how you perceive the thing that you're taking into your body, what you're doing with it.
So to me that's in the realm of psychedelic is just how do people navigate their their substances. So I love to hear your thoughts on that.
Yeah, man, Joel that's interesting too because you've heard this a lot too. There's a lot of people who say spirits are called spirits because when you drink them the gin can invade your body and this and that.
Oh, it's called spirit because you've taken a potato or a grape or what are a pair and you've distilled it through alchemy into just the essence or spirit of the potato.
It's got nothing to do with the gin or whatever. And I've heard you say before, it is exactly what you're putting into it if you go to the bar and start drinking whiskey because your boss is a cock and your wife just broke up with you and you're miserable and want to take it out on everyone.
You are going to act like you're possessed by a gin and for all I know you are I don't know we can get into those shadow entities.
There's people who can at the normal saying is can you hold your liquor.
It's like I normally say it.
There's guys like me or I'm a rock and roll musician.
I'm drinking a lot and you've seen on the telegram group and Steve young and Mike winter and I are really good friends.
I'll sometimes come home from the bar like lit after a gig. Sometimes I've been with the cocoa plant if you know what I mean we'll just leave it at that.
And I have profound insights and downloads coming down what you'd call drunk and and a little on you know a little hanging out with cocoa whatever you call it.
And have extremely profound insights downloads that seem like they're coming from what you would call my mind and not this other mind we I'd love to talk to you about.
I think you call them the flyers I want to ask you about is that the air elementals later.
But it's like there's this mind you can control that Steiner talks about that we ignore and there's this other one that's like you know.
And yeah I'm with you like if you I think if you're taking substances and you can't handle them you'll know right right don't you get you get feedback from those around you like you're.
Yeah for sure. And the world just like the events that happen in your day are going to be reflection of you running from something.
Right so like there's signs and omens that show up throughout our life and let us know if we're on the right track.
And you know funny I quit smoking weed like probably a good 10 years ago I used to smoke a lot of we because I live in Copenhagen it's sweet center like you know like a little Amsterdam.
It just didn't do anything for me anymore and I could feel that I couldn't remember things it it started to get like that I was getting signals that this plant is this medicines not for you anymore.
Yeah I don't and I don't miss it and I think it'll if you're listening it'll tell you.
Yeah it becomes you know for a lot of men it's like a girlfriend they just keep smoking cannabis to like get that feminine energy.
And it can get in the way of dreaming because you're borrowing from the dreaming energy when you smoke that's why like a lot of my friends don't remember their dreams unless they're in jail.
Because that's the only time they don't smoke weed right it's just like it's the only way out.
And so they have these really profound experiences every time they go to jail for whatever and it's just hilarious to see that program and you know I'm I'm also in the same I'm dancing with it again and I've been I've been off of it for a while and my dreaming
went really incredible and then I was at a show with friends and it was like the perfect thing to do and I had the time of my life and so I do.
I'm just open to I don't really follow any rules but I do get really strong like oh I'm done with everything and I tell people and then like a month later I'm you know I'm playing with it so I don't pretend to be a master of my my distractions or substances.
But I do whenever I do I'm going to have the most fun time possible with every day and make every moment count.
And that's kind of like what how you become a good person for psychedelics is you no matter what happens you know how to react.
And you can help those around you just by pointing out the obvious that we don't need to like you know let this become anything other than what it is and so our reactions on substances are again for me it's spirits I connect to.
There are energetics that will try to hijack you when you're open.
And there's also helpers like I have a girlfriend who died.
Who shows up and teaches me how to dance and snowboard and really powerful very close we were close together and in this world we're very close still.
And so spirits do open you up to conversations to downloads to all kinds of divine revelation.
And there's a little tax that you pay our body pays a little tax for everything that we put in it.
But there's you know it's that navigation of what feels appropriate for your life.
Yeah I think it's the same with food you know I don't get into all the diet wars you know the vegan and the meat and.
To me it's like I don't you know if there's a chemical shit storm on a package don't don't need it.
But if you do eat it enjoy if you're going to eat a Twinkie man just make the most out of the Twinkie right like you'll live.
You can't live off Twinkies but you're going to die from a Twinkie you know and to me that's why I cook a lot at home I really love the Zen and the joy of cooking I I know that I'm putting love and energy into
making the food and therefore the food you know only 30% of your sustenance is coming out of food anyway it's 70% coming out of the sun the air your emotion other people's emotions like.
And control dramas are very real energy vampirism.
We all know it you all have that one friend who's like just a constant drag, you know everything's wrong.
I have a lot of English friends where it's in the culture.
It's like culturally English to just whine and whinge about everything not that they're even upset.
Right.
It's like a pastime like oh bloody hell you know.
You're like, dude, fuck it you know.
So, I am big on that I will say for me.
I think I'm a very open person because I did get heavily into like LSD and mushroom psychedelics in sort of junior and senior year of high school and then a lot like I told you about in my first two years of college.
Yeah, I had some experiences on a lot of micro dots of LSD that I just can't explain in what we call our taught is reality a shared hallucination with a person as I told you audit audible and and visual and proof that it happened.
And it always was like, okay, what happened then like what is that so I do think that it really opened me I don't really even play with psychedelics anymore because yeah, for me it did what it needed to do with just to get me to.
I guess what you're and I guess more like non plant shamanism I get it there's something else going on here. I don't need a drug to tap in.
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad that you you know I really appreciate listening to your perspective on all kinds of subjects.
Because you are coming from that more curious place that this is a mystery that we don't know what's going on, but you're willing to like dive in deep and figure out the way in which deception operates inside of every sort of system that's put in
place to hijack our attention which seems intentional to keep us under hypnosis as a means to make sure that, you know, we're easily controllable and predictable.
So you are pulling people out of hypnosis brother and, you know, I'm doing the same and we're just doing it it from different in different ways but it's really good to have that telegram group and hear everybody, you know, coming to terms with
different things together it's it is lonely and was isolating for me in Seattle during 2020 and everything that got revealed I was like fuck man.
It was a hell of a time to be a loner because all of a sudden there was just like I'm the only one not wearing a mask and getting fucked with and that was a powerful right of passage and you're what you shared today about with Alan Watts that
video where we can post in the show notes here but it's really potent man to like go through these stages and so I'd love to hear you talk about that that video or you know talk about that.
Well, I did that Joel that's the thing. So I really had my like real awakening in 2006 where I really was like is going on and I'm talking about you know what the politics and all the rabbit holes.
And yeah so I was kind of writing for this newspaper on Facebook truth serum news and we had a website it got shut down they.
They shut us down. Yeah, but I did the wrong thing with that Alan Watts video is talking about I thought it was my job and duty to scream from the rooftops and wake everyone up and I got attacked just like that video said you know what I watched that
video it's 18 minutes I was like yep yep in there been there. Yeah, and it took me really like you know I'm a little thick sometimes it took me 15 years to I'm like you know whatever I say doesn't matter.
Right. I have to just accept that this place is what it is there is that we're in a Trinity which they never teach us they tell us it's a duality but there has to be in this light realm where I've heard you call it a light cocoon it's
to right of field. It's like good. There has to be the possibility for good and evil allowed so that you have the choice to transcend both or or become both up to you.
Yeah, journey. And so yeah I started to finally realize I'm not going to.
People don't want to be woken up like I don't like my alarm clock going off I don't use alarm clocks I have a life where I can wake up at noon or whatever.
So I figured out like it isn't my responsibility to fix everything that I can see it's wrong but it's not my job to fix it all and I can't possibly.
And I think how much of my psycho and spiritual energy that I waste and how many relationships did I sabotage.
I'm blaming them you know you don't get it and it's me who sabotaged it.
Totally yeah good for you man to come to that be able to speak to that and just be recognized like I definitely burned some bridges.
It was on me, you know and I and that video is really helpful to just it's just a simple video where explains you know the stages, because it is so now much more perceptually liberating to not be at odds with the world as it is to treat it like a dream.
And I think that's the ones that navigated the best is that they enjoy their lives regardless of what stories are being told.
And that's the hundredth monkey thing that leads to us like reclaiming our, our power.
It is a dream and I, you know I also have experience with.
I had some things happen where I had miraculous self healing through mind techniques that are also that does not supposed to work like placebo, placebo.
Yeah I had a lot of weird experiences like that as well where I'm like okay something else is going on here.
And then yeah like you're saying the liberation, I get criticized by a lot of people because like look at this guy's laughing about genocide and this and that I'm like I'm not laughing at genocide.
I'm laughing at how frickin ridiculous this whole thing is and it's it's not solipsism I'm not pretending that there's nothing going on in the world.
I've just come to terms that since at least the renaissance there's been a control faction in charge who have made this shit for everybody I was born into it.
And as you've talked about which I agree with you, I'm probably still living through that and nonlinear.
You know there's there's a me in the last probably several times.
I'd love to talk to you about that later reincarnation we could make a note of that but it's like what the frick can you do except my thing is there.
The control faction is trying to make you angry and upset about everything and fighting there's everyone's like we're in a spiritual war I'm like you're not in war unless you want to be in war I'm not fighting anyone.
I'm having a great old time as shitty as it all gets sometimes I'm fucking loving it dude and I'm not trying to live to 170 or 300 like I don't give a fuck man I'm having a great time.
If I die tomorrow I'm and I think it's because I live my dreams like I followed the career that I always wanted and it didn't turn out the way I wanted.
But I do what I want and I have found out that when you start acting in service to yourself and the creation whatever it is.
Be careful what you wish for because it gives it to you it conspires with you to give it to you.
And I've learned that and that's why I'm laughing all the time and I smoke and I drink and I don't give a shit and I don't care.
The most hardest thing was to liberate yourself from everyone else's X actually it's not to liberate yourself from people's expectations of you it's to liberate yourself from trying to live up to what you think their expectations are do you find that.
Yeah man that's my dance with like putting women on a pedestal and then letting their perception of reality or what I should be doing with my time hijack my own intuition.
And so I'm in this constant struggle of like what what what have I done what am I letting happen here from my mom who's crossed over you know to Erica who's crossed over to to my wife of 25 years who I was inside of that power dammit.
Struggle with and yeah it's just and then anyone that I respect in more in the female world is like I still have this dynamic with that.
And so I'm trying to come out of that and become my own person my own man right and also with men anybody that I'm that is powerful and has something really strong to say about this that are the other and.
So I get a lot of shit for I lose a lot of clients and get a lot of shit for talking about working with alcohol because to them it's low vibe.
And it's that door is shut nobody should be working with that anymore but they're all rolling on ecstasy all the time instead I'm not sure that that's the healthiest thing for you either like you.
People just compartmentalize stuff it has to do with your intent inside of it so yeah freeing myself from the projections of the world but also realizing that.
Celibacy and sobriety make it so much easier to do the type of work that I'm here to do.
So I'm preparing myself to be able to take a break long enough that I can really get to certain areas that I think Carlos Castaneda got to Carol Tiggs Tisha Abel are the book you're reading the sorcerers crossing and.
And then yeah bringing in the flyers and just recognizing like Don one said we have a companion for life.
There's always going to be this radio channel running and it can even be just the most ridiculous information that has nothing to do with you.
But if you pay attention your mind is always running some sort of loop or some sort of thing to keep you.
You know and when you turn and face that and try to stop it.
It's no joke man that that pressure that comes in to make sure you stay accessible is it's ruthless.
So anyways that's a ramp.
No I love that man and I'm also like I've been Mike Winters been getting me into Steiner I it's been a while but I'm revisiting Steiner.
To me it's like that too it's I'm very left brain person but I'm also a musician so you you use your right and left hands together.
Yeah and then so it makes your two brain hemispheres work together and also your heart.
Because when I perform you know I don't use set lists or anything I wing everything and people say oh what was that second to last song you played I'm like I don't know dude I'm not here when I'm performing with public.
I'm out in the fields I'm out and I'm not there I'm in a whole nother dimension than everyone else.
Unless it's a song I haven't played a lot where I have to think like really think about it left brain.
I'm not there I don't remember the last 45 minutes I'm so in the now.
I'm not even in the now I'm in the summer and anywhere but now.
If there if well there isn't even a now because it's always move I think the now is an illusion to but they say oh it's here there's no past and no future there's the now I'm like there's not even a now because it just constantly moving.
So you can't even define that but anyway.
Yes, I now I lost my track but what was I saying I started as well shit I lost my train of thought there.
Shit I had a point it'll come back to me.
Damn I had a point to make. Oh, but yeah I even smoke cigarettes and all that stuff to like.
Sure. I'm addicted you're you're a shaman like you're trying to be a shaman and you are a shaman. I'm just some guy makes like movies in my room and like is a rock and roll singer and pubs you know.
I'm not a shaman so I don't need to live up. Oh that's what I was going to say a girl.
Yeah what you were saying about getting away the thought so a girl had sent me a book called the way to a superior man or something like that it was she basically her trying to make me become a guy she wanted to be with.
Yeah, but like the title of chapter two was crazy man it said a live life like your father is already dead.
In other words, you know get out from under his shadow like that you don't you're living your life not your parents expectation and I read that and I was like holy shit man that was such a profound.
So just the title on the chapter but it really made me think like yeah who's life of my living year and it taught me how to father my son that way to because I started to realize like, am I being like this like that to my son.
You know, I'm like am I pressure in this kid to do shitty doesn't want to do like how much I'm having a great life who is it for me to say what he can do or not.
So that really like made me think about that.
Beautiful dude that one of the Carlos cost in a sort of main messages to the students was to ghost your parents like they were like you have to like almost offend them to the point that they cut ties.
Otherwise that pressure and and I wish they hadn't said that because people went on and did that and everyone got hurt in the process there's a more harmonious way to free yourself from that shadow.
Right and and finding that solution that's unique to you is the dance of respect that you have for your parents who gave you life, but also not willing to fall under the hypnosis that they're under, you know, as a means to free the lineage really
the ancestors want us to come out of that spell, but it's really hard to free yourself from your family because there's so much expectation and you share luminosity you look the same.
You know women used to clone themselves before men were here so there's so much more to how birthing life can be perceived the conception act itself and what kind of explosion occurred.
For both parties or whether whether wasn't one at all it was just sort of like boring you know that has an effect on how we come in.
But regardless there's so much work to do around healing our relationship with that bloodline.
Yeah, I kind of slipped during covert like I had a long yeah I won't get too much in my personal life but I had some trouble with my mother a lot when I was younger I had a very like a really tough time, and I didn't talk to her for like 20 years.
Yeah, and now we're closest chips but it you know during during 2020 in the convid crap.
My dad actually went out and just went you know sheeple to the wind and in a weird way I kind of like withdrew from him I kind of it was kind of good I had this.
You know we all this perception of our father like you can't do no wrong in this and that and I thought this guy was like the smartest guy on earth and then all of a sudden he was doing this shit and I was like hold on a second.
But I had to do what you're saying I had to sort of recapitulate I guess I had to like say hang on he is who he is and he's now I'm putting my expectations on him room I don't want that on me so what the fuck am I doing it back to my old man.
So I had to step back and again take a look in the mirror and say who's causing the problems here Steve.
Usually the guy in the mirror the mirror tells you usually answers that question. It's not what people are doing to you it's how you're dealing with it really that's the main thing the lesson to learn.
So I'm totally with you on that I heard you say to like you kind of dogged your parents and they didn't really do anything really to you like that is okay right.
Yeah I mean I was the one. Yeah I tried to pull my dad out my mom crossed a long time ago but and I'm kind of you know had she been alive during this time it would have been really hard for me to see her because she was watching the view and all the typical things leading up to it so she would have been hook lying and
sinkered but because she what when I watched her dying she transformed into a really aware person.
So like it's interesting what happens right at the edge if you're given enough time like she was no longer someone that could be tricked like that so easily but it was too late.
Right so you can I ask you this because it's fast so because of the work you do you are communicating in the dream state or the waking dream state with your mother and people you know past.
Yeah. Are they now are they informed when they cross over that they were you know do they get it all now like are they they're into it.
Sure. Yeah it's like it's just so everything's okay and everything's not a problem and so information isn't deception based anymore but they're not attached to the information it's it's eternal over there it's so much this is just like a story.
Right these these truths and stuff they really don't matter over there there's just all it's all love but it's not like they're just hanging out they may have left an aspect of their being here.
But it's not linear so it's not really something we can explain in a linear way anyways.
But there's part of them that is in another parallel life now you know or they moved on and entered what we call the afterlife where they merged with everything you know which is possible as well and that's the point of the recapitulation.
And that's what that book you were listening to Tisha Abel are the sorcerers crossing.
It's really intense what they're saying in there but if you find a way to gain access to your memories to the degree that she did you can what Carlos calls it is you can bring the past to the present because it's still happening.
And so you bring it into the now and you work with it and and you clean clear the charge that's still running you get your electricity back and you give back any dirty electricity that is in yours or whatever.
And it's just a way of making sure that your energy body can get healed properly to start to do things that are non ordinary.
And so the door opens through that work some people get there just by taking enough mushrooms having this ego death thing happen and they have access to this way of life and and so everyone has a different journey to get there.
I teach a way of doing it where you don't have to take any substances if you spend enough time doing the movements practicing the breath work and showing up to the workshops things start to get really strong.
These are like the magical passes these energy, you know like I clear my sinuses by making a friction and doing it. Like these are met shamanic passes.
They're basically really just learning everything is energy and light and you can either move it around now or you can tap into the other source of it so that's kind of funny because that like English is the master alchemical language
sorcery is from source is what you know the Christian church is like sorcery is the devil and you're like it means someone who can tap into source and use that in this environment.
It's not a bad word.
Oh, beautiful. Yeah, yeah, like you say that like, I think you and I have talked about this on telegram.
You can get to a point where you it you actually use it too much and it ruins a lot of people or they yeah you can.
You can get like hyper inflated ego power hungry it can really ruin a person if they don't balance it out with humility.
It's really intense. Yeah, there's some real monsters out there that teach the costa native material from a very desperate fear based place.
And they're just really hard on their students and like you have to do this all the time.
And they're just sending them into the they're just getting pigeonholed where, you know, they're they can hear what someone's about to say before they say it.
They're not in this reality anymore.
So it becomes terrifying and they aren't energetically prepared for that type of psychicness yet.
They're just being forced by their teacher to keep going.
And so they're not doing the shadow work.
They're not working in a relationship.
They're just these like monsters in their basements like just, you know, just boosting each other up like little and then their trolls at the same time they attack anybody.
Like I got kicked out for life from the costa native Reddit subreddit, you know, and I didn't do it.
I got called out that like everything I said was made up and they're just I'm on their blacklist and it's just this whole like really wicked world of just trying to ruin people.
And that's what happens.
People get power hungry and they think they're the neo in the matrix.
So this guy in the subreddit thinks he's the only one and he can't tolerate that there would be anyone else.
So he just is like, it's all his way or no, or you're out.
And it's crazy to watch the people that are staying in there because if you can't see what's happening, you know, you've just walked into a massive intense trap that's going to be hard to get out of.
Man, I mean, and that's just not even with that group.
Yeah, I've figured that out too. Just because you're spiritual doesn't mean you're a nice person.
It doesn't make you magically all floppy.
You know, and man manly P Hall talked about this. I sent you one time I think a treatise on a treatise on the ethics of magic.
Yeah, warning people who are messing around in these astral realms and these other realms with these entities which are very real different kinds.
You don't you shouldn't be messing where you shouldn't be messing if you're not ready to be messing around in there.
I hear it a lot with people who do dream work and astral traveling they get these entities trying to attach to them and like you can get into some big trouble and make some deals with some entities you shouldn't be making deals with.
And so I'm also with that but I think it's the same even with waking up.
Yeah, just what you're saying you, you know, like with the Don Juan teaching you got to take that shamanism a little at a time like with great power comes great responsibility as the Superman thing says but I think you can wake up too fast to you can.
I did you know we all hear what's going on and then you sit eight hours a day looking at the banking system and who you know this and that and pretty soon it's like too much dude.
You're like depressed to the point of suit. There's a lot of truth is I think of actually I think we have to say on a live different going on YouTube you can't.
Yeah, but there's a lot of truth is who have taken taken their life because it's like well what's the use it's overwhelming because you get too much darkness and you need to balance it out.
You have to have some fun that's why I'm always laughing I'm like even if the world's going to shit. Yeah, it is what it is and I'm not the last thing I'm going to do is let them also take my joy and my freedom.
You're going to try to get my freedom you're not getting the last thing that I control that you can I'm not allowing it.
Even if it ends up in the gallows I'll be let I'll be that guy in that. What was that movie life is beautiful where the guy and his kid get in the concentration camp and he's pretending it's a game the whole time even to the end.
Yeah, right. He won't let the he's just won't let him get the one thing they can't get and that's kind of where I'm coming from.
So, you know, I'm a very joyous, joyful person, even though I've been down the darkest rabbit holes. I've been down them all man.
Beautiful. Yeah, the Toltec say that this is a world of terror and beauty and the beauty balances the terror.
And so that's the most important part is that we have beautiful experiences, beautiful conversations, you know that we're following our heart instead of our mind.
And that's not easy for people people are in their minds they're not able to tell the difference between their heart space and their mental plane and so somatic work or anything to get somebody into their feelings.
Again, because otherwise you might just be trying to mimic some archetype like a David Ike or because all these guys walk into their own traps.
You know, they're not they're not changing things up enough and they become controllable. I think everyone is controlled opposition because we don't realize there's a force that is hijacking all dramas at all times all groups, all systems are accessible.
And so that's what Don wants trying to point out is that I have a companion for life whether I like it or not. He was able to master his relationship with his mind. He said I've vanquished my mind.
Right. That means he moved into the pure perception that doesn't require that channel to be on.
Right, like the heart based and yeah, absolute perception with your energetic body. I've, we've all had I've had an LSD or like, you can just do no wrong you can finish people's sentences like, you know what's coming before it does that that's what I was going to say
I think it's important to learn and study and use your mind because that's different than sitting there listening to that shit in your head all day go look at that woman, you know, the supermarket.
When you study and think and concentrate and then think on your terms that doesn't leave room for that other thing to be yelling at you. I agree with you you have to get into the heart based mind as well.
I mean, you know, I've talked to Don Lester loud there's people are missing like 80% of their brain and they still think fine like so it's maybe it doesn't really come from where we think it does but I think it is important that you do use your mind and focus it and keep it sharp.
You can't just be in the heart I don't think I think you both agree. Yeah, that's well said.
Total text call it no mind, but it really just means natural mind, so that you're not in that channeled realm where you're you're accessible and that natural mind is what we call silent knowledge.
So silent knowledge is knowing things directly without having to process them through the intellect alone, but you do want to be intellectually functional.
You want to be very knowledgeable of systems, ideally mechanical carpentry like the month as much stuff as we understand the basics that are needed that keeps this place running.
That's intelligence in itself and that keeps us sharp.
And in our intuition like I run job sites, not through my intellect I have to do through my gut.
It's very gut based I can sense when something somebody's about to do something dangerous. I can feel fights about to break out you know it's like you're got to be in the zone to be in charge of systems and so we want to be sharp as fuck.
Yeah, yes, yeah intuitions really important I think women have like better intuition than the men do but I feel the same you just, if you, if you're listening to that shit chatterbox in your head with just not your real true note noses that's that's made we I'd love to talk about that these
flyers and it's that's coming from elsewhere.
Yeah, but if you're listening to that sometimes you don't hear your intuition or you know you even talk that thing can talk you out of your intuition sometimes like trick you to not listening to yourself.
And I find that a lot the more I'm, as you call it in the moment, or even when I'm making a film you know even when I make films I don't write scripts out and stuff.
I just make a starting I know kind of what I want to talk about I just sit and make it like however it comes out.
And that doesn't leave me time to think about it and plan it out it's coming out.
And it happens a lot these days we get so called synchronicities where I'm getting download of information that I was never taught by anyone and didn't even look it up I had a hunch.
And then I go to look it up to see like it could this be I don't know and then and short of it is you know and you're like holy fuck well where did that come from.
You know and that happens to I find when you're living in your purpose or not righteousness but when you're, you're living in a state of service and creation then it's like it just comes to you with no effort at all.
Thank you man that's so huge like I think all inventions are just us being told things.
You know like we're just being worked with and in both positive and negative ways like we're being interfered with big time, but we're also being totally taken care of and we don't have to overthink things in fact it's when we're in that no mind zone that the information truly can come in large packages like it's
Carlos's biggest struggle was making that switch to the telepathy side with with Don Juan making that switch to where he had entire understandings of the nature of this reality when they stopped talking.
It was when it was later when he was able to sit with himself and really feel his energetics and the transformations that he had been through and so Don Juan really properly fucked with him and did all these crazy things to him that
you know forced him to come out of this real dense perception that he was in and other students didn't require the power plants but Don Juan blasted Carlos with power plants because he just didn't have a chance to get to him any other way.
And even with the power plants Carlos still assumed that those things were just like actual prompts and tricks and involved maybe 50 to 100 people involved to have transported his body from one place to another after they knocked him out like he just couldn't believe any of it but eventually he
he had to accept the fact that he had been a student of a real sorcerer.
Yeah, I well yeah because also yeah the stuff he talks about we're talking about.
It just sounds so crazy to your average person they cannot believe that a guy could like fall asleep in a bathtub somewhere and like wake up in another city and you know like it's just like that's impossible.
Or you can't walk through walls or you can't do this, but when you're in your world this shit's real and it happens all the time.
And I told you about that experience I had in college where on a lot of micro dots my this person probably maybe doesn't want to be named but another person and I took a lot of LSD and we were tape recorded about the first many hours until we were too far gone to.
But we were sitting in the dorm room and the wall collapsed and there was a red and pink pulsating.
It looked like what you think of a Mars background if that were if there were such a thing with these pyramids and it was going 1010 it was saying 1010.
And we both saw we both heard it and as I told you in the morning we our parents are pissed they had to pay for the the heater on the wall was dented in because we clearly got up on the wall, you know, heater to try to go in there.
So, you know, we had tape recording of it like this is this racket.
And then I told you I think a year or two later, a Pearl Jam album came out called 10.
And on the back you flip around there's a pink red background with a band making a pyramid together with their hands and I called this person I was like did you see this he's like yeah.
And for me at that point I was like, I was like how can two people have a shared visual and auditory and experiential hallucination.
Did we how did that happen we didn't say anything to each other so it had to be like to lap I don't know I still can't explain it.
Well, it's for one is not a hallucination.
There's no such thing.
It's just that we perceive non ordinary reality and then filter it through our own.
But when you're both that far deep, and you're not filtering it through your own limited perception of what's possible.
Then, you know, you guys had what we call a shared vision.
Toltec say that we're having a shared vision right now you and I was just going to ask you.
About that man yeah I'd love to pick your brains on like because I'd like to talk about the other realms, but this realm. There's a lot of people saying simulation theory we're in a computer program.
My, I, I, to me that's a bit of semantics I don't like because I'm with the idea that this isn't like what we think of as reality it's a light realm so it's just information.
And since light isn't really there, it's to me to say we're in a computer computer program simulation. That's still Newtonian materialistic thinking if you know what I mean I think this.
I think it's a metaphor I don't think this is a computer simulation that we can't tell we're not in a computer but what what is your teachings of what is this thing we what we call awake before you know and we're not sleep sleeping.
What is this. Yeah, I mean it's we're in a projection, a vision, just like any other dream or vision, it's not physical. It's a holographic projected reality.
And there is a construct that's hijacked the storylines. And it's like a simulation running because it's programs.
So we're being interfered with by programmable programs.
But this is an organic energetic world it's not made up the sun and the earth or conscious beings as are the stars as are you and I.
And there's animals that are magically aware and there's some animals that are especially magically aware like there's magical deer, not all deer are like magical to the degree that some are.
You know there's like coyotes that are unique that that are different than other coyotes and same with people there's unique people that are just that much more capable of accessing source while they walk amongst those that are you know asleep or more in a in a in the program so even.
I think it was Terrence McKenna would say even in the jungles in the Amazon, it was only the shamans that were aware, the people were still just looking to the shaman for what to do.
So it is a role of certain people and I don't refer to myself as a shaman but as a student of shamans, because the shaman has to go through a particular type of ego death to really refer to themself as such.
But I've worked with so many I help shamans, because a lot of them aren't doing the shadow work, or they're there they got caught in the power of it, you know, and I'm still doing the shadow work.
I think I'm just in the very beginning of getting to know, like what parts of me run the show, my wounded child, my rebel teen, you know I'm not integrated to the degree that I plan on being or hope to be.
But we're all got to face the fact that everyone has holes in their consciousness so we're all under some form of hypnosis.
And that's why we're all bound to this layer of the onion.
But if we can come out of the perceptual, like so I gaze a lot at the world and it all turns fractal, and then the fractals reassemble into something and I'm overlaying like one layer of the world.
Or like another dimension is in place on top of like, I can still kind of keep the trees in view or whatever but nothing is solid.
And the more I hang out there eventually I'll be able to interact in that world on a deeper and deeper level.
So this place is just a launchpad.
We're not meant to try to escape it and go out into some outer realm and create at home some other place that there's so many layers here.
This realm is sentient.
And she has we call the earth matrix.
It's not a negative term.
The earth matrix is that the many, many layers of of her being and we're just interacting in one layer.
And there's so many more to go into.
And that's what we used to do is we used to travel perceptually.
We were conscious dreamers.
But this these flyers have found a way to lend us their mind.
And have taken over this place in our running programmable simulated storylines that all these actors on the world stage are they think they have free will but they're just doing what they're being controlled to do.
Or they don't think they have free will or atheist or whatever but regardless everyone is under such mass hypnosis that it's really confronting and disturbing to actually become totally aware of.
But it's also super liberating.
So the simulation please piece has a role in explaining certain events on the timelines, because there is some sort of something that's, you know, but everything whether it's techno technology is still magic, because everything is magic to begin with.
And so we we try they think that the transhuman thing can work, and it will it will consume a lot of people.
But ultimately you can't destroy creation.
It's indestructible because there's a lot of people who are all this is a prison planet and this and that I'm like no to me.
There are people who understand the occult and shamanism who run the planet there are overlays to this reality.
Yeah, which which if this is really the source or the God mind or the monad or whatever you want to call the one precipitating down into the many.
Then this is a realm of mind and belief or as you say a shared vision. Well what is a vision it's not my desk.
It's a mind it's an idea it's a it's an imagination.
So all you have to do is put overlay synthetic meaning what's what's a synthetic overlay. It's a belief system that's it.
You believe you can't walk through walls then nobody can walk through walls and you believe you know that you have to pay taxes and you have to, you know, it's to me that's all the overlays are and they're very much geometrical.
I've been thinking about this because they say light.
They say nature never makes a straight line everything's curved but yet everything's made out of light but light supposed to be straight beams and I'm like well how that gets.
That can't be if everything's light and never straight then it has to be curved, even though the earth is level.
So I'm like but it's funny that their symbols and their geometry is all cube triangle it's all straight line angular overlays which is very much.
Not reality, you know so is that what this is all about is part of the overlay that geo geometrical.
Absolutely. Yeah that makes sense, you know I haven't gone into that too much but I do believe that we're so easily influenced by the most basic fundamentals that that stuff's just so in our face.
And it works, it programs it assists with the whole process so these are really, really powerful minds at work that are created the, and I would say it's not their minds there.
It's the flyers using them as puppets. Yeah what are these flyers men can you tell me like where what are they where are they and what are they getting out all this is this like the shit do you know the psychiatrist Jerry Marzinski.
We ever heard him. I've heard the name but I've never listened he was working with schizophrenic patients in a man like a state mental like, you know, dangerous schizophrenics like in a prison mental prison.
And he started to find out that these weren't voices talking to them these were entities and he started in psychiatry it's a no no to say that it's an outside entity it's like you're making this up you're fucking crazy.
Yeah, but he started just saying well what if they're not crazy so he started talking to the entities.
And one guy, like, got very angry and electric spark flew up Jerry's office wall over the ceiling dropped into the garbage can lid on fire.
And Jerry jump back and the guy, you know the prisoner said did you see that he's like, yeah, like the guy couldn't believe he saw it you know he's like to, and then he was like holy shit.
These people aren't crazy there are 12 things. And he actually went out with a guy after he started becoming aware of these.
He started seeing these shadow kind of entities they weren't physical, but these acts because I heard you say some of these shadow beings, they can't really hurt you or do anything to you.
But they had an experience where they went out on a truck, and they noticed the shadow entities all around the trees in the certain energy dense place. And as soon as they noticed them, these entities started coming at them.
And these things got on the truck and the truck was bouncing as if there was weight to them so not that they were shadow. There was a physical density to these.
So is that what flyers are are the elementals like what what are they.
So they're there won't the flyers are one of many types of inorganic beans. And so the shadow beans are a different type. There are different ones like the Sasquatch are inorganic beans.
There are all kinds of creatures that are observing us that we share this world with, and we're so deeply under hypnosis that we can't interact with them.
And usually the only ones that can or schizophrenic.
So a shaman is basically a functional schizophrenic.
Right. That's just the best thing we could call it.
And they've made peace with that they can make fun of themselves hopefully and be okay with the fact that that we're all a mess.
And but yeah, these situations are not easy to handle.
I've been part of exorcisms where the elder was able to get the entity to speak its name.
You know, that's one of the first things you have to do is get them to admit who they are.
And then you can and then the elder has to take the entity out and move it through his own body in order to get it out of the person properly.
Sometimes you can send it really far away, but more likely if you don't move it through you, then it's going to come back into that person.
I'm not a believer in exorcisms because I think if a person can't clear entities on their own, then they're likely to pick them up again later.
Regardless of whether somebody intervenes on them.
But these beings are we're in a very active world the flyers are the ones that are have outmaneuvered us the most because they've lent us in like a different frequency band.
If you know what I mean, like, you know, I'm sitting in my room right now there's I for me there's a wall in a chair and a painting and you know, but like, there's clearly another frequency of vibrations and lights I can't see in here.
They're, they're living in those ranges is that where they are so they're here but not really like in this frequency of year. Yeah, yeah, so if you were to eat enough if you were to eat enough micro dots tonight, and, and, you know, get quiet enough, you might see them.
And it's just but you don't necessarily want to do that because you can't unsee them, you know, sort of it's kind of like you have to.
So, so I I've made peace with the fact that these things are around, especially if you go in the wilderness at night.
You know, you'll interact it not the flyers flyers are more like an overarching sort of energy that is controlling things with other entities, including us like we're, we're being used by the flyers right so it's very disturbing.
But it's these, these massive beings that project these smaller aspects of themselves, and they feed off of our cocoon.
Most people get nibbled all the way down to the heels, and some people their light is all the all the way around at their peak.
And they've learned to not feed the flyers, and therefore they get to live a really much more liberated experience.
But you stop relating to people or being able to really connect to people who are being nibbled on you find a way to be with them, and enjoy the messages, but you don't feel at home with people.
Any more that are just unaware.
So it's a very massive like they're having their energetic or astral body.
They're like eating their light body that's feeding the regular body.
Yeah.
And that's why some of these people be kind of get like what we call demonic or Eve, you know, there's some people you just their vibe is just like fuck man that guy has bad news, you know.
So it's like, what are these things getting out of us just eating the energy then is this what people are calling like loose harvesting and all that.
Is that this or
It's luminosity right and we are really bright beautiful beings that we only live like a short window of time where these these flyers live like massively long lifetimes.
So they've doled out their light to just the minimal amount.
And then so we just appear to them like the most incredible food source they just just like us wanting to pick the berries off the plant.
You know, when they're right.
It's it's sexual energy.
It's vampiric it's parasitic from there.
But it's also just a necessary force that exists within a world of power.
We're just like food to them just like we have plants and animals right like they they got to eat something and we're probably the best.
We're like the prime rib steak of the energy world is so it's like, so it's not really a bad or good thing it's just that we then can't we have.
First of all, no one believes such a thing that most people, you know, probably not my channels but you're at 20 out of 21 people would think this sounds crazy bad shit crazy.
But in your world the shamanic world, there's you guys see them you communicate with them right like you and I talked about that I've had before I've.
I haven't even been on like any kind of weed or anything I've just shut my eyes or I've had a blindfold on because I in the daytime I work night so I sleep with a blindfold.
Sometimes I have my eye open even though the blindfold and then like if I zone out enough out of the blackness these faces I was telling you about like, they look like old Indian man or almost demonic but not scary and they like to pop out of the middle and come down a tunnel.
And they're looking at me I've never talked to them or anything but like or heard them but it's like they're trying to talk to me like they're flying at me and then they go away and another one comes and and they're like brownie purpley greenish like is this these things too or is this.
You know there's just again so many versions of different inorganic beans and trying to label which ones are what it's just not really doable that the there's just so much activity happening and I don't have the classification the cost of native books are really good to read because it explains.
So many different types of encounters with different types of these beans, but I also interact with those faces or sometimes it'll be like landscapes that will be presented to me.
And I think what happens is eventually you can stay with those faces and have conversations, you can, you know, I've had somebody writing something out for me to read, which is just like freaky as fuck.
But like there is this so call it cause costinated developed a relationship with these beans and one of them was called a dreaming emissary.
And when he was in his travels and dreams he could ask the dreaming emissary anything he wanted and it had to tell him the truth it was part of the deal.
But it also was letting you know that the goal of being your dreaming emissary is hopes that you'll come live in our world permanently forever.
And so once us in their world not that we can't do they want to get into our world or not at all they want to be there.
I think there's all kinds, but this particular dreaming emissary was using a male voice that was from a pure female world, which is a tunnel world and they can't come here.
They can only project themselves here and try to get us to come live with them there.
What they offer over there is anything of your heart's desire to live as long as you want, but you can never leave.
Right, so you can't move back to higher highest to source.
It's like a permanent decision and so the Toltecs all have to face this.
Is this the crossing they talk about?
Did the Toltecs want to go in there or the Mayans?
Do they want to go to that realm or no?
It's freaky, but they say you have to be able to handle these types of seductive interactions and say no in order to pass the test.
And then later on you'll be so thankful that you need that kind of experience and then later it leads to being able to do the crossing,
which is to die without dying.
And then you really, truly get all you really want.
So it's almost like a real deal.
It's like a fake source.
It's like the lower animal realm of the source.
You can have all the ice cream and sacks and money and it's like they're luring you with the bullshit.
You can have all the bullshit you want forever, but you can't have the real deal.
That's pretty sinister, dude.
It's pretty gangster and they just can't help it.
They're very attracted as females.
They are seeking male energies to come over there.
So the succubus thing is real.
Learning to become conscious in your dreams is annoying because you start realizing that there's a lot of sexual stuff that can happen and you can get really kind of beat up a little bit if you don't wake up in time.
It can be pretty uncomfortable to get your energy jacked in a dream.
But I remember having dreams as a little kid that were not cool, you know, and I remember now and realize, oh, these were just constantly being fucked with.
And because we can't come to terms with that, we just try to sugarcoat everything and make it all seem okay.
But I think it's both.
We need to get realistic about the predicament we're in and where it's heading, but also have the time of our lives and make fun of ourselves
and the tyrants and, you know, just really be available to those that want to have perceptual freedom because the more of us that do, the more it rubs off on each other.
So like when we're dreaming, what we call it, we're dreaming now, but like when we're in sleep dream.
What's the difference between that and like someone who has a near death experience or an OBE or let's say you die, let's just say you die.
I have to say near death because no one comes back to tell us so you have to like, or maybe the shaman do, I don't know, but let's say the near death.
Is that different from the dream world or the exact one in the same place?
I don't know for sure.
I think when we, they say that these, these inorganic beings are have outmaneuvered us and we want to be able to face them before we die, because if we don't, we'll face them when we die.
And so I think we go into like a long dream when we die and we have to deal with what was really going on here and any unresolved emotional conflicts have to be worked through any debt that you owe.
And I don't mean like credit cards, but like where you ripped off your friend, you know, or something that that leaves like this weird energetic thing that keeps you from being able to die all the way.
So there's a lot of release work that we do when we die and it is through dreaming that that happens and those inorganic beings that are interfering with our dreams are still a big part of that crossing.
So we just, it knowledge is terrifying because it opens you up to this world in which you can hear voices that are real.
But also it's better to wake up to that world now because you're going to have to face it when you die anyways.
So it's just sort of like a concept to consider.
Yeah, I see. Yeah, I see what you mean because it's probably quite a shock if you're, you think you're going to Jesus and heaven and then all of a sudden you've got to deal with this.
There's a lot of, you know, NDE's and OBE's where more NDE's, they obviously face the life review and as you're saying you can do that now if you can recall all the moments of your life or the bad ones, you could fix that now to make that less painful.
But I've heard others say, you know, it kind of like they feel all the pain they ever caused anyone and through a spider web of how that affected someone else.
They feel the totality of the shock waves of, you know, you were a come to that person and black design and then you didn't realize the wife thought something and then she, you know, like it just, and then, but apparently you also get all the love you caused to at the end.
So you like you get your ass whooped and then you get like a big hug afterwards like you're a cunt, but it's okay.
You can do better.
That's why I kind of wonder like if you're someone, you know, you took the jet you took the six boosters and then got checked out with a with a heart attack.
I'm wondering at the end, do you get the joke?
Are you like, oh man, did I really was I that stupid?
Like, I'm wondering if you get like a little ass laugh at yourself.
I mean, I do think that's exactly what happens.
There's nothing.
There's no way to hide anything when you cross.
It's just all revealed and it's amazing, but it's also really painful.
Like the total tech say that when you start to cross over or you're close to your death, this incredible longing kick comes in because you start to realize that you didn't make use of the totality of your being.
So we want to introduce that concept of are we really exploring what we're capable of?
And so like when you're in that creative mode of making art in the way that you do, you're feeling so alive and so thankful.
There's so much gratitude for being that conduit, but a lot of people don't have that experience.
Because I don't think they, you know, this kind of what Alan Watts and the some, I'm not really actually totally agree agreeing with a lot of Eastern mysticism.
I think a lot of it's bullshit.
But I do agree that life is a dance and you're supposed to be playing it. You're supposed to be making a game and having fun, even if you're Zen like, you know, you need to, if you're doing something like really get into doing it.
And like, you know, Alan Watts said, even if it's the dishes, and like we all hate doing the dishes, it sucks, but like you can make a game out of doing the dishes, you know, like what's your wincy plate wash.
So I think I think it's like that, like if I don't think you have to be doing something incredible to like make the best of your life, I think you just, if you're sitting there again, spending all your time listen to that shit chatterbox in your head that's pissing you off and missing what you're doing.
That's the waste of life, I think you know, and that's why I said like, I'm not trying to live the 150 myself I'm having a great fucking time and like, if I go out tomorrow from a hit by a boss or cancer, I don't give a fuck man I had a great time.
You know, and reincarnation is interesting. I was gonna ask you so when you're talking to like your mother and others who have passed when you're talking to them in dream state.
Are they like projecting into your dream world or are they still there as a as an energy body you know are you talking to like a, an echo of them.
What do you think's going on I know I'm not I'm not saying you have the answers to all this. Have you ever asked them or like what what do you think's going on.
Yeah, it feels to me like on a linear level they've already left but they went into my future when they crossed over and visited me at certain key points in my in my future.
And so it's really cool it's like they it's like they show up and I'm awake.
You know like one time I'm in a restaurant at a bar. I'm the only person there, and something happens, and everyone in the restaurant that worked there runs out the front door.
And then my mom plays the song, you know that was just between her and I, and I just got she just showed up. She, she emptied the restaurant turned on the music and just sat with me.
And the music really like came on the jukebox.
Yeah, yeah, it was the real like, you know, just boom like, and so here I am, you know, and it's just pure presence. It's just her love.
And it's like this moment in time where we're not in dialogue we're just in this feeling and it just moves you to tears, and you just earned so much gratitude for the visit.
And it's so meaningful at a moment in your life when you needed it.
Hmm, do you speak to her like telepathically or in words like language or do you hear as words or do you like communicate feelings and emotions more or just know this.
You know, I played with all of it for a while I was saying thank you and talking to her and telling her things, you know, that I'm worried about dad and, you know, but over time know it's just this pure presence is feeling of total gratitude.
I have this big smile on my face, or I'm crying, and they're just present with me.
It does spill into dream time a little bit but I'm not as good in the dreaming world when I'm asleep I'm more good at making this dream fascinating.
So I'm always gazing at the world in a psychedelic way whether I'm on substances or not.
And so I'm just having the time of my life like I'm walking through Los Angeles right now.
I just got here and it's just like, it's perceptual paradise to me like I'm not at odds with big cities or chaos or I love being in nature.
I also love being here.
And yeah, so Erica is here with me a lot.
She shows up big time.
We're like a force to be reckoned with she is the reason why I'm teaching the way I'm teaching like she's been the one to sort of open the doors for me to meet you and everyone in my life by
being a guide.
And so I don't necessarily have conversations.
It's just like these very powerful psychedelic feelings that come in and I get goosebumps and she tells me things.
Some of the friends of mine have met her and they've had really intense experiences where she had a message to give them or give me through them while they were on ayahuasca and things like that.
So I'm not totally open to all that she has to say because I'm not psychic enough to pick up on her communication, but it's revealing appropriately over time.
She's helping me to understand.
I worked with a medicine woman that helped me realize that I had been clinging to her spirit.
So I've let go and now I'm we have a more healthy relationship or for a long time.
I wasn't letting go of this ghost.
Basically, I was in I was one of those people.
That was my next question man what is a ghost is that them or is that like an energetic shell of them that's still like an after printer and echo or there's no time so is it like an echo kind of an
because a lot of ghost experiences.
Not all but it's like the same thing happens like the dude keeps walking out of the closet to the end of your bed like keeps doing the same frickin thing.
It doesn't seem like a being almost it seems more like an after energy print that hasn't cleared out or gone but what do you think like ghost.
I think there's that big time there's also more, more activated ones that are really intense and playful.
So I had one I moved into a really beautiful home in Montana and this one had been the house had been empty and this this ghost was had lived there for a long time.
And he was turning up the heat like 25 degrees in the middle of the night.
Finally I had to just stay up all night and just be like look dude we can't both stay here like you're going to have to go.
I can't handle this and but he just wanted to play it just wanted you know and it was it was uncomfortable my hairs on my back of my neck were up the whole time.
It was presenting itself in very confusing ways and it just wasn't comfortable.
I wasn't comfortable you know I'm not claiming to be good at this stuff but I dealt with it enough that if you're afraid that just makes them attracted.
It's like they're attracted to emotions whether it's inorganic beings ghosts entities of the night.
Shadow stuff but I used to have the shadow stuff very annoying situations where I couldn't be left alone and I couldn't sleep and I had to stop going to the wilderness.
I had to like start watching TV and like try to shut down what was happening to me and it was not comfortable so I don't recommend people aggressively try to open their perceptual doors I think we want to follow a very intuitive process
and having a helper like someone that died become like there are trickster spirit so you could be tricked and think that you're working with someone.
So you have to kind of really trust your intuition and not be easily tricked in life as well as in dream scape types of stuff because this place is ruthless and you never know what you're interacting with for sure.
Yeah it's pretty scary I mean that's really kind of why I don't you know I don't get into like learning the techniques of astral travel I'm not really interested in fucking around with that stuff because I'm the first to admit I don't belong there right now that's
not where I'm at in my journey at all but I'm really really fascinated by it all like what's going on over there and with these elementals and fliers and the fire elementals and pixies and fairies and you know all that stuff.
It's definitely real but again like we're saying it just just sounds crazy.
But you actually worked with some of the people who had worked with like Castaneda's group and powerful sorcerers and shamans and these people can do things that just cannot be explained like it's it just can't explain it.
It's real.
It's all real and you just sound like a crazy person if you try to tell people that Carlos couldn't find anyone to relate to in this whole world except for this one homeless person outside of the restaurant that he ate at because that dude could see energy.
But even even that homeless dude was scared of Carlos because his eyes were terrifying because he had seen so much and he was so alone because Don wanted left the world.
He no longer had the same people that he was with they had they were part of their apprenticeship was to separate.
You get very you go through bouts of intense loneliness but aloneness leads to all oneness.
And when you realize that you know like one of my teachers spent 18 years in solitude doing the magical passes recapitulating and learning how to astral travel.
And it is so worth it learning how to be lucid in your dreams because of how ecstatic it is.
And it's very healing thing to be able to have access to and it brings so much purpose and meaning to your life.
And but I also am a big advocate to be very careful why you're doing it slow down.
Don't try to achieve results quickly do the recapitulation first so that you don't have these unresolved memory demons that are running the show.
That's what the Siberian shamans called them memory demons.
And so our memories play a critical role.
And if we work on our memory really well then we'll gain access to our parallel lives.
Some people do past life regression stuff before they recapitulate.
And it's kind of dissociating because you really want to deal with this lifetime first and clear as much as you can hear before you start going into these parallel lives.
And I had a friend on LSD came out of jail.
My his brother told me don't give him acid I did.
And boom he was right like this guy started speaking another accent and had a different story and was from a different place and was telling us all this information about his kids.
And for like two days he was stuck in this parallel life.
And, you know, had we not babysat him he would have just ended up back in jail because it's so dysfunctional to have that schizophrenic condition, but that's very common.
Man, yes, because.
Yeah, for like people are listening so basically what you're kind of saying is the past in the future, even though from our perspective the past has happened in the future hasn't it's still all running together so
you could reincarnate back in 1645 and even though it's already happened for you it hasn't yet you'll read you'll live that.
Yes, or vice versa so that I've you know I used to get into the mandala effect like I did a lot.
And, you know, there's the usual shit like you know do JFK at four seats you know in the limit but the one that freaked me out was this guy who woke up one day and he had six daughters, and he was only married to a wife.
And he wakes up and he's got these six kids and he's like I'm telling you I don't have six dollars like it's same wife though.
Like who the fuck are you people like yeah I don't have six kids.
And to this guy. It's and it seems like that it's like he woke up in a different alternate life reality, even like even now.
But he's like I'm telling you I don't have six kids and David Parker told me about a guy. I'm not sure maybe I'm not supposed to tell this story.
Anyway, there was yeah I don't know. Well there was a guy anyway like he had a mandala effect. He had been paying his mortgage for like 20 some years and he woke up one day, and his mortgage had been paid off for five years or six years
already. He even had the bill of like the deed of receipt and it had been paid off he's like this. I'm telling you yesterday this thing wasn't paid off.
It's like he woke up in a totally different reality but everything else is kind of pretty much the same. Some wonder if that's what this mandala some of the real real heavy mandala effects are this.
Like you're just kind of you're waking up in a different thing.
I mean I think there's there's probably timeline jumps within this lifetime that you you were on one track and then you get pulled into the other and you bring the memories from that other timeline.
Because I think we've done this over and over and over like in the in the matrix he says the architects telling them you say this every time.
You know just watch and so I think we're in like a movie.
It's like deja vu maybe when you get a deja vu because you already done it like I know it's coming because it's I had a weird one to yeah I yeah I had a real weird deja vu were the first time I was at a place on the island where we had our farmhouse.
We were driving to this paint store or whatever and I knew I'd never been on this island before a road.
I knew what was coming up around the corner there was these little summer houses with a blue one and a red door and sheep and they they're they freaking were like two minutes later.
And I never been down that road in my life you know like what the hell is this.
Yeah part of Carlos's training was Don Juan would move his perception to this very altered state and introduce him to all these people and take them to all these homes.
And then he left the world and then Carlos had to go back into situations that were triggering a part of him that remembered but then this other part of him did not.
And so is maddening to him to be reintroduced to people that he had already met but they were all in on it they knew that he didn't remember.
So they were softening the blow or the jolt that happens when you realize that it's kind of like being a blackout drunk and finding out you did all these things that you didn't know you did.
Right so that's an example of a assemblage point position shift that puts you in a different capacity and sometimes adrenaline and things come on in those moments where you can do things that aren't physically possible.
So we're pulling from all these energetic resources and we don't realize how magical we are.
And so it's like Carlos was trying to be taught in a very trickster manner that would force him to come to determine how incredible things are and how powerful Don Juan was.
So yeah there is all kinds of strange things that we might not have a Don Juan in our lives to just totally intervene on us.
But we have the world and the mother and the father guiding us and teaching us by how kinds of people we meet what kind of conversations we have.
And then eventually we'll be able to have enough people talking about this stuff that it has a ripple you know on what's possible for humanity.
Because these are the key pieces not convincing people that there's no nukes or all that stuff's cool.
But ultimately what is going to help us is realizing how capable we are energetically.
Man yeah and I you know to me it's we placebo and no sebo is accepted.
I had I've had my own placebo healing techniques on myself but if you can accept that you can magically heal your near there was that surgeon guy he was given people knee surgery.
But he wouldn't do the surgery just put them under open their knee and then they wake up and it's better.
Yeah, if you can accept that then you can accept that Don Juan and some of these sorcerers can walk on air across canyons when they totally believe and I think they're pissed on whiskey.
Yeah.
So some people say well that's because the gin is in the spirit.
You know he got the spirit to G give it like fuck it whatever but if you can heal your if you can heal your knee without doing anything do it why can't you walk on air.
Yeah.
It's I mean the Bible says it Jesus is like all this I can do you can do more of you believe it.
So if you believe that these walking on water why can't you man I don't see any reason why not it's just believe because if all we are is in a light construct a light cocoon and a toroidal field.
And it's all mine precipitated down.
Then really actually you should be able to fly.
Yeah, I mean that's part of the custody native material is is the huge shape shift into a crow and all of a sudden you're in the air.
You know and then you come back into human form and you're in a different location and you started a lot of people that do deterra, which is really dangerous how have these experiences that are unexplainable.
And yeah Carlos walked on a bridge made a fog.
And he had to believe if they call it having to believe it's life or death.
Yeah you're going to fall to your death if you don't.
But you but that's the thing it's like, there's a difference between believing and knowing.
Yeah, it's like you have to get to you can't believe you have to know because believe still is lying and you need to know you can walk on fog.
Yeah, and if that takes all you really have to do is not believe that this place is the reality we're told it is.
Once you don't believe this is what we that then you should really be able to do anything really.
That's the yeah the unlearning right and and the not doing so the Toltecs have this whole subject called not doing and inside of the not doing are all the things that will free you from being a doer.
And it's the doing that keeps this place physical, but when you're not doing the physicality, the illusion of physicality, it goes away.
And you get to realize that there's so much more you can achieve when you're not bound to the physical.
Well isn't that I mean, I spend a lot of time alone.
Mostly because I have a public job you know and you're a singer like everybody wants to talk to you on break and then I'm doing this but to me I think the reason I'm actually most happy and centered.
Because I just spend a lot of time alone and I love it.
I don't get bored and I don't like get lonely or anything like that you know, same thing you know I you know I don't mix my sexual energy with people I'm very careful but I'm not out banging everything that walks out like I'm very careful about saving my seat and who I'm going to even lay with like that.
And I think that helps.
I don't know it just gives you a different energy and I don't know it just seems to help with my creativity and all that but I think being alone is.
It's kind of that's when you realize this isn't real because if you're just sitting here then really nothing else exists.
If you're doing nothing thinking nothing and just sit and then what else, there's just nothing.
And I also think it's great I heard you talking about how much energy there is at night you going like dark night walks right.
And that's what the occult teachings are all about everyone says well the light is it's all the light is the source and your and the occult teachings are no dark light comes out of darkness.
So darkness is actually the father.
Not light.
From darkness comes this light.
And that's very opposite from a lot of religious views or other views but I found it when I heard you saying how much how energized you get from either the sun.
Or the darkness I'm like well that's like these dark room retreats right like Dr. Edith Chan and everyone's doing.
They're blindfolded and in the dark like super dark not even a shred of light and and they start seeing the energy fields of the couches and furniture and each other like all of a sudden from darkness comes light.
But there is no light source, you know.
Yeah that's for the total tech seek the darkness as a means to reset their field.
And so they they plunge into the dark, you know, in any way possible whether that's a night walk without the moon or just staring into their blindfold with their eyes open.
So that's what's called dark room dreaming.
And that's where those faces will come through those.
You know and and those faces if you can stay with them and isolate one and have a conversation with one then all of a sudden you'll drift into sleep and you'll be having a conversation with that same being, but in a dream, instead of this dream.
All right, see I've never done that because like I said they're weird and like, yeah, some somewhere demonic.
Like, yeah, I was I was like why am I of all things that I could be imagining right now. Why this, and I just didn't find them like pleasant to be I was trying to like my eyes and get rid of them I didn't I didn't find them.
I'm not saying you would want to I'm just saying it's an option. Right, but you're going when you go to sleep.
Anyways, you're probably going to be talking to those same beings whether you realize it or not.
That's just how they are they're like trying to gain access to us.
And for positive and interfering reasons it's just a very strange relationship perception and yeah man it's so cool that it's good that you didn't try to do anything with it but you someday you may want to be able to handle the intensity of being able to do so.
And you might get curious again, and or you could do something else with that, you know, being out in the in night like I do I get up and do the shamanic movements in the dark.
And you start to see tracers with your hands when you're doing the movements and you're breaking up energy and it's like this really psychedelic experience to have especially I spent a lot of time alone too because it's for me and the only way to like know ourselves.
And I think that's what we're here to do is not follow like it's that be yourself fall in love with your existence and really get to know what it is that does it for you and go and get it make it happen and.
A lot of people are trying to copy Carlos Costaneda or try to be like somebody that they see as somebody being successful but that isn't possible for you to remain creative and imaginative.
And so like you said it wasn't your imagination those faces were actual beings and so once you realize imagination and creativity, give you access to images that are real.
And that's why inventions aren't made up they're presented to us.
Yeah, like you they say you see it like it comes out of a creative will and a need like some guy needs to needed a hammer or something like that, which I could open this coconut and he's like.
You know, so yeah and I think that that is imagination is the source of everything here this microphone desk.
It started in somebody's mind but wasn't really even in their mind it started at source was given to their mind and then they've used their real their thinking mind to figure out how to make it.
You know, maybe they got the idea but didn't like oh you need to learn some metal or do you like oh shit well how would I, how would I do that maybe I should go melt some rocks and see if something shiny comes out of there you know like sharp.
And also the flyers taught us all this stuff to so that we would trap ourselves in a world like we wouldn't have built skyscrapers and cities the way that we that they were built if it was if we were in our natural awareness that comes from we were so we've been taught all this
crazy advanced shit and we think that it's the engineers and all these brilliant architects and all this stuff but they're just being used just like anything else so we wouldn't be driving 100 miles an hour alongside of each other on freeways.
If it wasn't for the flyers mind that makes that doable.
Otherwise we were too organic and open we wouldn't have been engaged in such intent rat race behavior.
But now we have to be able to borrow from the flyers mind in order to drive in the in the highways of LA.
Otherwise you know you just I can't just be tripping out out there I got to pay attention it's like going out on the football field.
And so we got to be on our game.
So it's okay to use the flyers mind for things like that.
But it's not something you want to be tapped into as far as being utilized as a means to perpetuate or build a prison for ourselves.
Do you think that that could be part of the source for the Christian story of the Nephilim of the fallen angels giving us all this.
You know, not mating with us but or maybe even mating with us but given us all this idea and technology you know kind of falling down.
Could that maybe be the source of that story do you think I could see that you know I think the flyers.
I think when whenever we I think we were wild and nomadic and we were in beautiful relation with the earth.
And then what the flyers did was convince us to create a civilization.
And that's when we started falling apart is that we stayed put and we started rather than having to hunt for food berries and meat.
Which I think made us really strong when we started eating having access to all these different foods and then those foods got poisoned.
You know and it's just like there's just a lack of purification that's happening and so finding a way to heal now within a world that's designed to make us sick.
You know then the GNM piece comes in like okay well it's actually how you feel it's about how how truly emotionally healthy you are and.
But yeah I think that these religions are trying to point to the different ways we were interfered with.
I think it wasn't like so much out there it was more like underneath the earth or that these beings came back after a global or not a global but a realm reset.
And then they came back as looking and appearing like gods because they had preserved technologies and they had secrets that were lost during these floods or these resets.
But I do think the stars are conscious and that there's other worlds that we can go to and that shamans can learn to travel into the stars and that we could enter into those realms.
And then and experience worlds just like this one. So my guess is if I was in the stars and look down at this realm, it would appear to be light, not a physical world.
Either so I think there's just so much that we can look like a star to them. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting my friend Nicole Murphy, she's got a hunch that this that was everything's supposed to be a toroidal field all to.
So if we're in one big one and each one of those would be a little one they might not be big but there is no big once you go into another dimensional if it's just a portal to somewhere it's just a portal.
Yeah, so you know, like, once you're in there, there is you could be that big if the star was this big, you can be that big.
Because it's all just fractional yeah it's so experiential anyway it's mine. Yeah that's pretty tripped out I'm a I'm a big believer there have been big resets here but also like I was saying you with the geometry it's interesting what you said.
When you look at all the Tartarian buildings and all the great stuff. Then you look at the shit we're building now it's all these metal square.
Horrible boxes. I know it's just so ugly even our furniture like it's, you know, it's pretty bad like that.
No disrespect to your bookshelf back there but you know, a bookshelf in the 1600s and we're like, I mean, swirly shit all over it and big oak you know, not this in your bookshelf but like it's just crazy the crap we have now you know it doesn't last and
everything. And it is definitely like, it's something's wrong with our mindset that we even accept this shit around us because we it's like, we don't even care about beauty anymore or there's no, we don't even want beauty around us anymore we'll just settle for some shit.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's a, it's a sort of devastating and tragic and it's bittersweet and all the things because Don Juan also said to be of your time, you know, and so we're going to have to find a way to still love, you know, this realm even though there were in a
process. So being a witness to that, and then finding a way to gain access to your own art, so that, you know, you are bringing beauty in.
And yeah, it's just, it's all psychedelic to move deeper into our expression. I think that's where the healing happens is through dance, singing, writing songs, finding a way to contribute.
And because what you, if you can do something that no one's ever done, then this realm it lends you energy, because this realm is seeking to know itself.
Right. So like going back to like what you said that with the darkness, I would say that's the that we all come from the mother, the great mother, that the darkness is the feminine, and it birds the masculine.
And then we're in the process of those two learning to interact with each other.
My elder would say that there's only two tribes, the tribe of man and the tribe of woman.
So it doesn't matter what race we are, but it does we do want to recognize how different men and women are.
And if we can heal our relationships with our sexual perversions or fears or projections or me putting women on a pedestal or all the things that make it possible to coexist and to grow.
And intend and evolve together. I think relationships are the future.
If powerful people can come together and find a way to be lovers without any nap, you know, in a toxic soup of confusion and really honor the shadow work that happens when you exchange power with someone and get to know each other in all the vulnerable ways that de armor us.
You know, there's a lot of evolution in these opportunities.
Yeah, man, I but you know, because it's a mess right now you've got there's there's the big toe men going their own way they're just like screw all women they're all psycho losers and there are a lot of psycho women out there.
And, and then the feminist movements like screw all the guys so but this is all by design this is not natural this has been coming from the top by design.
But the way I see things is that there always will have to be a balance and out of necessity when we just don't have any more kids because we all hate each other.
Then that idea is no longer going to be serving as a species and a race and the people, and we're going to get rid of it.
My dad used to say that to me is like son people only give a shit once you reach into their wallet or their backs up against the wall.
That's what my old man said to me like you're right like they don't give a shit until it's almost too frickin late and then they suddenly take action.
And so I don't worry about the long run as you say, when you die like you'll be incarnated in a future or a past one. We're already really actually living out the future and past anyway.
So as long as there's still an earth light cocoon.
Then, you know, it's interesting what you said about the male and female Walter Russell calls the center between the left and right or the middle.
God, he calls it the still white invisible magnetic light of God.
Invisible meaning I'm guessing that we don't see it as it's white but not we perceive. I would call that black.
And as you say you think the source is mother and magnetisms female.
And from the still white mother magnetism black darkness comes the male fire sun masculine.
So that's pretty interesting what you're saying that all that kind of pegs off with like Walter Russell's view on what is the stillness and we're we're always taught this to you need to raise your vibration.
Right.
We'll know whenever you need peace you find stillness.
Exactly.
Yeah.
If these entities are feeding off fear fear is a high vibration you don't vibrate lower when you're scared.
You're radiating because your shit bricks you're shaking your fever and you're sweating.
You're scared shitless.
Your heart's going.
That's not still.
So I don't think you need to raise your vibration if God is the still white still white magnetic light in the center and stillness and not an in breath not an out breath but the pause.
Then you lower your fucking vibration not raise it that I think that's one of their.
Double flip lies.
Yeah.
Also just rather than trying to ascend.
Right.
Because that's like trying to get out of here.
And I like I think the whole point is to be here.
So we want to be able to descend to go down and how correct grow roots like tree roots that anchor us to the earth.
And that's where we get our sustenance is from her.
And you know then the sun is just as important the metaphysical is where it's all that communication I think the sun is like a projector.
And we are an extension of it that the light in our eyes is the same light in the sun.
I think the moon is you know a different light that cools the earth and that it's a necessary piece of the puzzle it's not.
I don't think it's an invader that needs to get go away.
I think it's just part of the storyline and full moon nights are powerful and there's a lot of power that comes with the dark and the moon and we need to learn the secrets of you know the underworld and the thunder and the lightning
and these are all beings that can communicate with us and teach us perceptual things for some people they're going to need mushrooms to gain access to that.
Some people don't require that they can access it just by doing bold things like going in the woods alone at night and starting to get comfortable with the intensity that you'll feel there.
And so yeah I think that the darkness reveals so much to us like when I had my gate of power experience where I was running in the woods without using my.
I couldn't see anything but I was totally being ushered down the mountain in the dark because I was being held by this incredible feeling.
And so there's just tapping into that kind of magic and realizing that it's there without then trying to misuse that power to create a cult or to seduce people or whatever like it's such a delicate thing to gain access to these nonlinear things
and then start to present them in the world as possible.
People are going to try to project on to you or put you on a pedestal.
And if you let that happen then everybody gets hurt right so it's this giving permission not through promotion but through just invitation to people who are curious.
Wow man.
You got me thinking too you know you say you have to do your shadow work.
I'm like well the shadow is the dark that's the black it's the absence of light.
So if you have to face your shadow you actually need to find your true source self that's like actually your shadow they make it sound like it's all bad you're like no you need to find you need to find the source of your light.
Yeah.
And your power.
Another one flipped around.
Your desire.
Tripping me out man.
Totally you too man.
Yeah the desire that we were told to like not have desire or whatever but that's that's the passion piece is you want to fall in love with your existence somehow.
And that happens through all kinds of means.
So getting to know like rather than beat yourself up for being attracted to women or for whatever it is that brings passion and fuels your desire to live a more fuller existence.
It's all part of the journey and so a lot of people are disciplined and aren't listening.
So impeccability is listening discipline is more like rules and fear.
And so a lot of religious people are disciplined but they're cutting themselves off from their creativity and their imagination right so we want to get.
Because this are you saying disciplines you're disciplined because you're afraid of something and then what did you say impeccability is are you saying impeccability is the opposite of discipline or.
They're kind of similar.
They're similar but impeccability is more like listening from a heart space as to what you want to be doing with your time.
Where discipline is like you live by these set of rules because you're afraid of what happens if you don't.
Yeah man that's like all the diet people yeah exact.
Yeah.
Okay that makes sense because that's the thing you know they say there's here's there's a lot I hear this going around a lot.
Your lower animal your sex drive your food you know each sheet each shit sleep and you know whatever fuck drink eat all that crap.
They're like don't you you need to stop wanting all that stuff so you can get out of here right you can't get out of here until you stop because otherwise you're never going to want to leave here because there's too much of that going on you can't have that in the spiritual world.
And I'm like man I don't know like I really love cooking and enjoy it like I love it.
So how can this be bad. I don't think you can only walk around screwing chasing after women drinking eating like if you're doing that 24 seven and that's all you think about and can't create anything.
Okay I think you got a problem.
Yeah exactly.
Oh good man yeah no you you want to find that work life balance and enjoy your life immensely and but if yeah if you're constantly chasing after something outside of you.
You know then you're going to miss out on getting to know you so that aloneness that ability to just lower your vibration get down into the earth get super still.
You know Carlos would look at Don Juan and he'd become a stone he was like a statue.
And it would make Carlos cry because he couldn't even imagine what that would feel like to be that still.
And so our ability to get silent to reach stillness to focus.
It's infinite and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface.
And it's just a matter of how curious we get as to how intense that would be so you can like stare in your eyes in a mirror.
And all of a sudden reach this really intense feeling.
And if you don't panic and stay there you just stay locked into the eyes and the world will just start to melt all around you.
And you'll actually meet one of your parallel beings right there in the mirror it's called scrying.
Scrying mirror that's a black mirror though right or.
You could do it with any mirror people say not to.
But I disagree I think why not just do it right now in the bathroom like it's so intense.
So you're saying you can see one of your other carnations from the past or future.
Even if you haven't you've lived to be having yet experientially to you.
Right.
If you look into your eyes long we used to do that like the horror what we used to put the flashlight in the dark I believe in Mary worth you know.
She's supposed to like appear but yeah it's pretty I mean you ever stare at your eyes on LSD in a mirror that's a trip and a half.
They say don't do it that's that's crazy.
Yeah I mean it they say don't do it but I did it and I loved it.
I couldn't get it up.
Damn boy you got some good looking eyes man.
Meers are powerful but even better is like a like a pond or something you know that's not man made.
Natural reflective surfaces are really powerful to work with.
Scrying mirror was not obsidian obsidian was it yeah.
Yeah around their round you can order them and you'll hold them in front of your face and you know they are so powerful that it can be intense.
It can you can see stuff that you're not ready to see but I mean you're ready if you've seen it.
But at the same time it's okay to not force ourselves to do these things until you feel a call because it's a it's a big door to open.
What do you.
I mean a lot of you know to me my thing on death is like.
It's whatever happens it's you can't it's coming.
You're going to have to deal with it but a lot of people want to know like do you reincarnate are you a ghost you go to heaven you go.
Can you move on to another different realm you know after you have you can you reach enough experience here we don't need to come back here or do you want to be here like what what is yours and the shamanic view about.
I know you said like the told or the is it the Mayans are some some people wanted to do the crossing.
Yeah, I told you so they they want to go to a realm that's not quite sourced but it's between yeah can you.
Sorry that's just a really bad question I'm just curious what happens when you die or is it different.
I mean yeah so we all will have an experience with the dark sea of awareness when we cross but most people then recycle back into a parallel life after that but if you recapitulate your life or you live a life of service.
Certain people are given.
Passage.
It's like a ticket and you are told that you're going to be you know having an alternative form of dying and it usually requires that you've recapitulated like Tisha does in her book like a really thorough.
Recapitulation if you do that you'll start to be able to.
Have an understanding of this place as an illusion and start to unbind from it and there's a group of people that can come become so.
Good at working together and spend many decades training to do what they call the sorcerers crossing.
And where they all unify their attention together and all unbind from the physical at the same moment and that energetic.
Focus state of that many people it's usually 16 people or more can make it possible to cross into what they found is this place called a white dome and they meet in this white dome.
And they sort of live there but also are able to then have access to what they call the somersault of thought into the inconceivable.
So you can bounce from vision division division and basically you are untethered now.
You become one with creation.
You can become a creator even you could become a sun you could become a moon you could become really emerge with anything at any time or be all of it all at once.
Almost like it's pretty indescribable depending on how creative each person is.
But if we don't move into that afterlife and they say that you would only get to be in that role as long as the earth continued to exist because you were just being a different layer of her matrix.
But if you were to not cross over then you would have a glimpse of this eternity that I'm talking about.
And then like a wind would come and pull you back in and you would all of a sudden be you know in sort of a purgatory awaiting period kind of in that in between zone waiting for to be conceived into a parallel life.
Or just not that they haven't already happened though like you and I are probably in a memory right now it's just like coming to terms with how intense that nonlinear concept gets.
Yeah that's what I mean because if we're already having a future one then this is a past one to them you know this is really hard for people to wrap their heads around.
But there was that book I had I can't remember who wrote it but it was called 20 cases for reincarnation where the dude went through like 250 and he found 20 that were just frickin bulletproof.
And these were like these would have been really almost linear reincarnation so you can have a linear one as well.
There's so many cases of linear incarnations and kids that can better.
They were writing songs in their last life and they come in writing the rest of the lyrics you know or the they're just these genius little kids and so like and then there's weird shit like one of my friends.
His grandfather died.
A year before he was born and then he was born and his grandfather did a walk in.
So this guy had two spirits in his body so that when the LGBTQ thing the two spirit thing it's actually a thing.
But it's just very uncommon that they're making up and making it seem like other people have it but it's there are ancestors that don't.
Okay with crossing over.
They choose to stay here they don't want to kind of face their creator or whatever they hijack bodies there's all kinds of weird shit like and then the Toltecs.
They didn't feel prepared to cross into these other worlds so they didn't and they love the earth so much that rather than die they chose to shape shift into trees.
So there's a lot of old Toltec sorcerers that are in the forest that you can communicate with who chose to live as trees because trees live so long.
And they're still energetic being while it makes you think twice about cutting down a tree doesn't it but I mean it's still energy yeah so then they have to release then what if you cut the tree down they must release into back into the thing and.
Yeah their their days are numbered just like you and me they just found a way to extend it and I kind of think that if you try and extend it like that it's almost unnatural and it's a little bit like it could make death more excruciating
than if you would just died.
Instead of trying to escape your death so I don't know that it's the thing to do but I do understand that these sorcerers were.
Very active and loved their adventures and I think maybe they got to we call it getting attached to the high adventure of the unknown.
And then you become afraid of losing that power.
So there's a lot of people that get lost in this work because it is seductive and in weird ways so I can tell a tripper when they come to me that you know there's a part of them that is got some really difficult shadow work to face because they're trying to use this work to escape their lives and not face
themselves rather than it really requires the opposite.
Yeah, I see what you mean like it's it's an intention really because yeah like you're saying if you're doing it for the wrong reason what I can imagine though just like here when you get.
Once you get some power and some skills and stuff.
It is like it is the power trip and people get all power hunger and start doing evil shit because they get like hooked on it.
Because it is good to be king.
Yeah, it's probably cool to be Donald Trump like you know you can't even just there's like 20 secret service have to spend two weeks just planning on you going out to McDonald's you know like car 72 we got to cut you know.
You probably get high as shit on it and I can imagine you get real high off of real power because you know you're I don't know society or when you call it social power societal power.
Yeah, power power here is not like power like you're talking about you're talking about power power.
And so that's the biggest trap actually is why people don't gain access to power is that they're addicted to their social power.
And so you have to be willing to let go of your social power in order to actually have real power.
And so it's a really uncomfortable thing to face the materialism and any false senses of security that money might bring any sort of wounds where you know you have a lack mentality also that can get in the way.
Where you're like a people pleaser and you're not really respecting what your time and energy is worth.
So this is not an easy thing to navigate is the relationship with social power and real power.
And of course power real power is like you wouldn't want to have access to it if you hadn't faced yourself and got to know what the reason you're doing it for.
Right and so freedom has to be the the ingredient rather than some form of unresolved childhood I'm going to be the I'm going to be the best this or that or the other like if you're looking for recognition from daddy.
You know this is going to be a trap for you but if you've made peace with that stuff, you can start to build your power.
And really it's the freedom of the afterlife like can you imagine being able to be lucid 24 hours a day for a long long time inside of an energy body not a decaying physical body, but an actual infinitely capable energetic dreaming body that can blast off into other worlds and explore unknown realms.
I think people, if they knew what was available, they would be really just having a stronger assessment of what what their priorities are and start to get focused on how to take care of their energetic side.
And that leads to having a strong physical body and some to some degree.
But I know some really overweight Indians that were fine, you know, you don't have to be like some chiseled muscle man in order to handle the jolts of energy.
Wasn't like Don Juan like kind of a big guy himself or was he pretty big or
He was not I mean he was really physically strong, but he some of some of the cohorts that were associated were like really overweight older Indians and they were fine, you know, it just has to do with.
It's all GM stuff really it has to do with how you perceive your reality and and how you what you think of yourself, you know so like losing my hair I thought, you know that was the worst thing that could ever happen to me at a young age.
But it ended up being like one of the best things that happened because I had to become something else that didn't require to have hair to be, you know, happy and so these little ego journeys.
They're really important to have something that forces you to become more authentic than you would have been.
I that's totally it I mean what you know vanity I mean you don't you don't you don't have to go around looking like an ugly.
You should try to look a little good but yeah it's it's the same thing when you're the more you're worrying about how everyone thinks of you again we just how we started this talk everyone thinks about you.
Yeah, you don't do other things and shine through you know where people are really more impressed with how you think or what you do or your actions towards others or maybe they're more impressed by your singing or your dancing or your painting or just the way you listen to them
or this guy you know so we've I've had it we've all had it where you like.
When you think you're in love with somebody and then like later that don't work and then you look at me like God damn this she wasn't really that pretty I thought that girl was like she was like a eight but.
I see the great cook though.
Luckily I was married for a long time and she was also hot which helps but but you know what I'm saying it's funny how your someone's beauty to you can change based on how you think of them like if you.
Oh true it's all energy yeah and so we women especially are typically shape shifters they're like energy changes based on their mood you know and so finding somebody that's really.
You know beautiful on the inside and being open to all the different.
Vulnerable opportunities they are to really let yourself fall into relationship will love without getting lost in each other or in a codependent dynamic because that's what Don Juan would point out to Carlos is that.
You know that why why did you overuse that woman in the past because he could see her and he's like you know it just we tend to if we're in a relationship we consume each other.
Rather than have that balance of aloneness mixed with you know adventuring together and having fun and so it's hard to find people that get that and aren't offended if you don't want to spend every single minute with them.
And also find somebody that's falling in love with their aloneness so that you know two whole people can come together rather than be fractured wounded people trying to make themselves whole through the other person.
Yeah, I think a lot of people think that's what love is you finally find someone who's paying attention to you and listen to you and you feel safe and secure.
And then you just end up taken from each other getting bitter or you know some shit happens.
I'm totally with you Joe like, I think when yeah overflow to just fall his way.
Yeah I think you should like, once you're over full your own energy and then you meet someone else is you don't need each other you just want to be together.
You're not dependent on each other it's not comfortable and safe like this, you know, this, you can be safe here but like that's, that's no way to live.
Yeah, in my opinion, you know, maybe it is but I've never been the like safe guy man I've always been like fuck it man let's go out and do some crazy shit and I heard your life story like you had a pretty crazy as fucking teenage
Yeah, I'm kind of with that I think what we call love sometimes is probably not really what's going on. And then we see that deteriorate throughout certain relationships, usually a vacuum or a.
Yeah, I think so I think.
Yeah, when I got divorced actually my drummer actually he said to me is like, because he likes like half of me got ripped apart after 18 years with the same woman.
Suddenly it's like I felt like half empty and my drummer was like you need to go reinvent yourself Steve.
So I started like making paintings and doing shit I never used to do and working out like just doing all kinds of weird shit I never did.
And he was totally right like and whereas and like she's still with the guy but she went out and got another partner and usually the women do usually the women run into another man's arms, probably before the divorce is even really solidified like on the side.
But to me I felt really good that I didn't run out and get into a woman's arms and I took the time to actually reinvent myself. That was like the greatest advice my drummer ever gave me.
He was like, wow dude.
And it really did make me. And now I'm actually still like happily single.
Yeah, I don't.
I wouldn't date a woman I've tried having a few girlfriends it doesn't work out for a reason but I'm not like bummed about it it's just.
It's to me it's like well what do you I would have used to say like what can you do for me now.
Well, or I would have said what can I do for you more like you know I'd love to have.
Now I'm just like well what can you do for me like do I need you in my life.
Do you have anything to offer or are you just hot.
Exactly.
There's a huge difference bud.
Beautiful.
Yeah I'm good for you man it's such an important process to get to know yourself is when you're not entangled in someone else's field.
And yeah, and then you start being very very discreet and discerning around who you want as a friend let alone a girlfriend.
And once you're okay with not getting laid all the time and you start using your sexual energy for create creative things.
You know then you're not as hyper focused on on the opposite sex and there's so much freedom in that.
And it's just a matter of time before the universe runs you into somebody that you're meant to do a deep dive with.
And then you'll be so thankful that you weren't spent all that time chasing something trying to make something happen because that trust that that whoever you're meant to meet is just going to be so strong that it's unavoidable.
That's a lot of my friends are struggling with that but there's so much freedom and just relaxing being okay with where you're at and being thankful for the alone time because it'll lead to a connection eventually.
Yeah that's a good point and I think that probably happens a lot of people get together because they're lonely.
Yeah and I would say like if you get lonely or bored.
Yeah that's probably a sign that you need to take a look at yourself because I never get lonely or bored of I don't even have enough time in the day to do all the crap I want to get done you know like I don't know how people are bored.
I'm like dude come on I got shit for you to do that.
I have too much to do come and do mine.
So I think yeah it is that it's about also accepting yourself that I had a lot of trouble with that when I was you know in my younger years I didn't accept myself as I am my flaws.
I know what I'm like now I know that I'm a Virgo I know I pissed people off I know I talk too much when I should like should shut up and I don't and I know that I'm selfish and what I want to do in my ways and I don't usually been backwards and I'm not mean to people but like I take care of
and I'm glad to help and I use I'm okay with that I'm okay that I have flaws I smoke I drink I got a beer gun I don't give a shit mate you know what I mean it's all good with me.
And to me that's why I think I'm happy all the time is because I'm not perfect and I'm perfect just the way I'm imperfect like for me I'm just what I want.
Perfect.
You know, that's a great way and it's Steve I'm glad you're happy person glad you're out in the world and that we got to meet on Telegram and hope to meet in person someday and shoot the shit with you have a beer.
Oh yeah.
Well that's the other thing I was going to say if you want to wrap up but like speaking out the truth you know like coming out and talking I didn't want to even come public I are we are YouTube channels and they only got popular because of the con bid.
Yeah.
Like we were a small little channel with a couple thousand followers and it was my movies about Convid that.
Yeah.
Suddenly all this I'm in these communities with doctors and all these cool people and it was also that it was for me.
I was, I was like I said in that post with that Alan Watts you know I said it took my dumb Mars, my dumb ass 15 years to figure out what he was saying that you can't change everybody just shut up you're not going to change it all.
As soon as I stopped putting all my energy into trying to get everyone else to like see what I think and what we need to change.
That's when I started attracting people like you and the people in our group, the, the most amazing people you know and I'm at Anarcapulco doing speeches and an Oliva's kids are blindfolded and we're playing catch and they're reading behind their head.
What the hell is this shit it's supernatural I didn't.
I heard about this shit but I, and I just started attracting like the kind of people that I don't have to complain about.
You know, you know, like you people are so fun to hang out with I don't need to fucking ditch about like you're already get it so.
And I'm certain it was all not an accident it was the shift I made to have the courage to just say screw this I'm speaking out.
I'm doing this and I caught a lot of shit for it but I did it anyway and I think that, like I said you know, I think if you're if you're in service.
The, the realm conspires to do it'll scratch your back.
Exactly.
Even though other people don't a lot of people get mad to like I do all this for you and you don't do anything for me or like it's that because you're expecting them to.
Yeah.
If, if you know a person's like that and you're going out of your way for them, then don't expect it to come back.
Don't go out of your way for them, you know, if they don't owe you because they didn't ask you.
You know, so I felt like that I felt like as soon as I started giving to the creation without asking for anything back.
It just started piling on tenfold man and it's and I'm sticking with that.
Oh, it's dope for you man yeah those those that that fake that pandemic it shifted everything it changed the course of so many of our lives and so many of us have met because of it so although it was a really
wicked sigh up.
It plays its role in bringing us all together and yeah it's just amazing conversations with amazing people and thanks so much for your time today let let let's let people know how they can find you or anything you want to add here at the end.
Oh yeah I should I never do this man I I'm also an author of a couple children's books.
Oh cool.
That's another thing I did when I reinvented myself so this are newest one the Duke of the goons laser balloons Dukes of dense they're on Amazon.
So you got the holidays coming up if you need any last minute Christmas gifts for the kids get those.
Otherwise you can find me at space busters on YouTube bit shoot Odyssey vigilante TV rumble and if you want to write me a space busters at hotmail.com.
And Joel great to catch up with you I know we've been writing online but like it's it's cool to chat and yeah I'm sure one day we'll we'll hook up in person for sure you know it'd be great have a few beers and it's just really nice to meet people like you and I know you were you were supposed to be interviewing me today and I'm more I'm more picture
bring.
Screw me man I want to hear what you have to say.
I like to just have conversations so that was perfect and I'd love to have you on again and just keep the conversation going because there's so much more we could get into.
Love to man anytime yeah.
Okay cool.
I'll let you I'll let you stop recording and it was I'll stay on.
Much love everyone.