Hello and welcome to the King Heroes journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens. I am super happy today to be hosting Achille Curado
I apologize. I've spelled his name wrong in pretty much every document. I've put out there
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So I'm very inspired to talk to Achille. I'll admit partly because I
Don't have a real behind-the-scenes with law enforcement officers
and I often want to know what's going on in their heads and their hearts and
Achille has been through one heck of a hero's journey
I'm looking forward to hearing his story and sharing that with you
Please do help me share this video out. I continue to be shadow banned and
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Do some really good visioneering in 2026 and get out there and create and stop paying attention
So much to what's wrong and put your vision out in front of you
Then please do let me know about that. So without further ado. I'm going to bring Achille on and
make some introductions
Hello and welcome Achille really nice to have you here. Thanks Beth. That's great to be here. Thanks for bringing me on
I really appreciate it. You're welcome
What would you like to share in terms of an introduction?
Do you want me to read your your bio that you sent or?
To just let us know yourself
Well, I guess I guess the introduction is that
You know, I was a police officer when I resigned a force to kind of resign on about 20 years
and
Throughout that time. I was exposed to a lot of corruption some of it's like systemic
the subculture itself is is kind of
based on protection and you know isolating ourselves from like
The citizens or you know, you're trying to kind of it's an indoctrination, right?
So when they indoctrinate you into policing
They want to make you feel special
They want to make you feel like, you know, you've been chosen. You have all this authority and power and
it's kind of a military kind of
System so you have to respect authority and so forth
And that leads a lot of corruption
Systemically and you know, just blatant corruption abuses of power and stuff
So I'll leave that that thing you can ask me any question you like sounds good
Yeah, that's
I just wanted to refer to that making you feel special thing
I have been the recipient of much of that over the years for one reason or another
especially post-plandemic when people were trying to get me on board with their movements and
the first thing that they do is both blow smoke up your butt and
Make you think that you're really the one and you're gonna be the emissary of this great knowledge and
That you're gonna be famous and all of these kind of things
I I don't usually say too many bad words on my podcast
But there came a time when I I realized okay this time around say if we're in
Incarnations that are serial or repeat or parallel who knows but I just said to myself this time
I'm unfuck with the ball
I'm glad I could swear in the podcast. That's great. It's good to know
Yeah, yeah, the algorithms do pick it up
So if you if you swear a lot and express with a lot of anger and stuff like that
It tends to choose against you, but whatever I'm pretty ruined in these algorithms
But you make a good point because the thing is what's really kind of opened my eyes
Through my experience is you know
we're all kind of programmed and we're all kind of being able to be manipulated and
You know people do that. Yeah, I guess you do it from birth, right?
And you're you're indoctrinated into a family you're taught certain ways
That this is normal other people maybe not as you know, we do it this way
They do it that way. We're better than them religion does that and so I think it's hardwired because as people we want to
Belong like, you know, we're social animals, I think right and I think maybe most people agree with that
so
You know when they put you on like this pedestal like, you know, hey
You know, you've been selected of all these people your police officer of all this authority and responsibility too
But there's there's a lot there's a big dark side to that and like anything, you know, and and when we get into the story
We talk about Darko and how he was able to manipulate people and Windsor pretending to be a doctor for two years
And
Then with me he pretended to be you know, lots of things we'll get into that I guess
And you know for me this whole experience has kind of opened my eyes
to the larger like
You know
Idea that we're all kind of like constantly being bombarded constantly being gaslighted and
for other people's games and there's people more like people there's people like Darko a lot of different areas the corporate
America they say that there's a lot of like sociopaths and psychopaths and they're kind of drawn to that
Along with policing like, you know, the higher you go up
in the ranks
The more you have to kind of drink the Kool-Aid and what we mean by that you just have to play by the rules, right and
you know
It's funny because I've always been a kind of conspiracy theorist even before as a police officer
I loved health. I love conspiracy. I want to know the truth about what was going on and in
reality and so and so forth and and I
Always thought like policing, you know, had a role, you know, I mean like want to become a police officer
Kind of partly to overcome my fear of the establishment
But also because like I wanted to serve the community, you know, before I became a police officer
I was a youth worker for seven years working with young offenders and
The kids are really like secure custody
kids so they were, you know, very traumatized
And I always wanted to have this feeling like I want to give back to the community
I wanted to kind of work with the community and police officers serve a great like a big role. Obviously, you know, if there's a
You know robbery going on if there's a domestic assault
There's issues going on
You need people to step in that are trained to take care of those situations with volatile situations
But on the other hand
They become policy enforcers as probably a lot of people on your podcast have said and it's true and
What it becomes is the subculture becomes
Not what I can do for society
It's what I can do for myself and what I mean by that is
The whole system of policing is set up
not to really kind of
Breakdown your job performance. It's it's based on stats and it's based on, you know
Quotas and they say it's not but it is because you know how they judge
What you're doing on the street as a street officer, you know, it's all about how many tickets did you give out?
How many criminal charges did you lay in at one time was how many street checks are you putting in?
time per call like, you know
You have to get that time per call down and down and down and it's this game and
the game
becomes a problem when you're putting the lives of the community or
I shouldn't say lives, but you know the respect of the community behind your own, you know
What's the word I'm trying to look for a game there you go, that's it
And I didn't sign up for that and I didn't I didn't really jive with me and with policing, you know, the culture
Everybody always gets together. You know, I mean like there's a definite divide that, you know
a lot of police officers fall into where all their friends are police officers and all they do is police functions and
For me, I didn't I didn't really jive with that. I won my friends from before
I don't drink a lot if ever rarely and if it is it's probably an organic wine or something so
Officers tend to like congregate. There's always probably in every city in North America. I mean even across the world
There's always a bar
that's the association of the union runs and it's always open for
after shift you go there and you drink and
I had problem with like, you know officers if you want to find the most
You know drunk drivers just
Wait there and wait for officers to leave and you know that kind of mentality
Although it's this this like a small small example and I'll get it to some bigger examples after
It kind of shows the mentality of some of the officers not everybody but some of them and
Often it's the people that drink together
They're the ones that get promoted because you know, there's a club and then there's a tighter club
and then there's a tighter club as you move up the ranks and
It's not really based on performance. It's based on who you know and you know, what you're willing to do to get there
Do you have any questions with that at all? Yeah, yeah, lots of things I want to say
I find that fascinating that you got actually got into the police force as a conspiracy theorist
Might want to go back and and see where and how that happened
they I want to emphasize the point that you made earlier just about that we want to belong and
You know, we our tendency is to be very tribalistic out of self-preservation
Exactly what you're saying. We feel we will survive if we're included in the club
I like how you're pointing out that there's layers of the club
You might be on the outside of the club. You might be more on the inside if you drink and you know
Have secret conversations over too many beers
I actually myself have a long history with
the police mostly from my childhood where I was a complete rubble without a cause and I would get into
Conflicts with police officers just at like parties and you know
debauchery kind of situations and I got slapped around
Just enough to like a puppy to know like oh, okay
I'm out of my leak here and this is not a good thing to be paying attention to I was thrown in jail for a night
and it just had some bad experiences that I was able to rein in but
Yeah, that that needing to belong the programming of our one of the main programs that I help people to release is the want for
Others love and approval which can actually be projected back to yourself wanting your own love and approval. It's the same program and
So yeah, it is that ultimate drive to survive which all programming really is and
Yeah, I hear you about the the game of it the drunk officers
It was actually one time where I had to call the police because there's a break-in with
In the business where I was working with my family
And it was the middle of the night and the police came and they were definitely drunk
They were all you know weird with me and they were very personal with me rather than business-like and
They were want to know why I wasn't wearing shoes
That was so important and my rebel got up in arms after that experience and I called them out
So I called the police and I said, hey, I know that you guys were
You know not in a in a good way and the guy started yelling at me
And for about six weeks after my boyfriend was followed by the police and they tried to knock him off his
Bicycle on the road one time and so I got another big slap in the head like Beth do not play in this arena
Yeah, you know what that happens a lot and you know we can cover some
There's an article I can bring up and it was written by the London police of London
London Free Press and it's called
We are the cops and in that article it kind of gives you an idea of what the subculture is about and in that article
This lady's being booked in the cells and she's being belligerent and she's I think she weighs like a hundred pounds or something and
the cell surgeon at the time
Took offense to how she was you know
treating him or yelling at him whatever and you know this she poses no threat and
Because she wasn't answering his questions
They end up kind of like what I would say is kind of bootstoppers. They're gonna throw on the ground
there's three or four officers and because she's not cooperating and
So long story short if you read that article it's very interesting
There's video footage in cells and
They charge her with assault police because I think at one point she bites the sergeant and
And she's trying to kick and she's trying to get away from you know
From being assaulted she's trying to protect herself, which is a natural thing to do
So when it goes to court
Her lawyer who's a smart guy says okay
Well, you know, you're charging with assault police and you're charging with think drunken disorderly whatever she got picked up for
You know, we want to see
The video footage from cells everything's videotaped and they wouldn't release it and they wouldn't release it and they wouldn't release it and
People tend to think that the crown and
The police and there's supposed to be somewhat separate where the crown reviews the case
And then they see whether there's charges to be laid or whether they're warranted
In this case, you know, whether there's other activities going on other charges against the police even
But people don't realize that there's a turning client privilege between police and the crown and the crown isn't there really to
Do the bidding of of society the whole the whole justice system is created and
Run and you know there to protect the people that run it and you know, it's not really not for us and
Eventually the judge, you know
In this case just said well, you have to release the video. It's part of disclosure. You have to do it
So after like a year or so
They finally released it and then what happened was the officer got charged with assault
And I've got nothing bad to say about Pete, you know, Pete is a good guy
I know Pete and but it's it's the whole subculture. It's the whole like, you know
Hey, I'm gonna impose my will on people because I have that authority
That some people have there's a lot of police officers out there that aren't like that
And I like to think that I wasn't like that
But I've made mistakes and you know, I had to play the game, you know to make a paycheck
But you know, I always try to find a way around it to kind of like, you know
But for instance for for example, you know, you had to like give out, you know
So many tickets a month or whatever
So I would just try to give out TTPs which were time to produce it
So you pull someone over for speeding or whatever and you give out a TTP
Which is you know, they don't have their driver's license or insurance card
And then this counts as a stat for you because none of that stuff really kind of like sat well with me
a lot of it is kind of like, you know, policy enforcement if you want to put it that way because
When you look at it, I don't even know as a police officer
I couldn't tell you everything that's in the criminal code
I couldn't tell you everything that's in the highway traffic act
But I'll bet you anybody down the road driving down the street being followed by a police officer
They're gonna eventually, you know breach one of those issues and for me if I can be a little bit
You know swear a little bit. I had the asshole rule
Like, you know, if you're being an asshole on the road like you're cutting people off and speeding and putting people's lives in danger
Okay, well then something needs to be done
But if you're going with the flow of traffic and there's no immediate danger anybody, you know
Why are you, you know, trying to, you know, hassle people that are just trying to get to work and earn a living?
You know, this this life is hard enough without being tracked down, you know
And again, like like to make my point is
That becomes I want to give ticker. So now because it helps me it helps me get promoted
It helps me look better. I'm gonna do I'm gonna lay some criminal charges because of that
I can tell you another quick story
Um, please
So I was coming in on an afternoon shift
And the day shift officer
Was investigating a domestic assault. Now they already arrested them
the
the sale allegedly
and
He was in cells and he was going to booked in and the officer pretty much just wrote up already
The prosecution summary and everything
So he just wanted me to take a couple statements
And at this point it was just a he said she said kind of thing
So then I go out and you know, I'm doing my investigation trying to follow up on his
And I'm like this guy didn't do it. Like, you know, she said it happened this way
But I'm talking to three other people
That said that's not the way it went down
Um, so I go back to the cell surgeon. I upload, uh, you know, my uh report
And the cell sergeant's like who cares
Let let the courts decide that
Which is, you know
Which I had a huge problem with but there's nothing I can do. He's my he's my superior. He's my sergeant
He's not gonna let me, you know, trump his decision
So
I'll tell you when I went went to court. I went I went to trial obviously
Um, the first person to shake that guy's hand when he got off the charge was me
I went up to him said look, you know, I didn't feel good about this charge
I'm sorry that it happened
But that's that's the whole thing like you're you're playing with people's lives
Not only in regards to like him being criminally charged that being on a record
But he's putting out a lot of money to defend himself
And
If we can't hold ourselves accountable
If police officers can't look at themselves like hey, I've got to do what's best
For the community in this situation not not what's best for me
Not what's best for because I want a promotion or I want a lateral transfer to
The detective office
So that's just like a low level kind of like understanding of not only the culture
Because the officers there them that um news article that I was talking about
None of those other officers came forward and said yeah, pete, you know assaulted her now
She's in the right like she shouldn't be charged
Because the whole culture is based on you know
Teamwork and you're part of this team and you can't speak out and you're going to be a rat
And then no one's going to you know, I can get promoted. You know, I can get what you want
and
There's big issues with that and I don't care if they hire a new chief
Um, it says he's going to change the ways. It's not going to happen
I can probably list off a lot of different examples of that and then we can get into a lot more examples like
um
Some more things that I personally have not only my case
But other cases that a personal experience with that happened to my friends that I wouldn't it's in front of me
and if you like and get into more of that or
You can ask another question and we can kind of go off on a different tangent
Yeah, that's all good. I am very interested in the stories again. It's just so rare to be able to see through your eyes
um, but I wanted to
Make a comment about the teamwork and and this is something that
It's funny because I was just remembering this yesterday that when I was with my son's dad
We were at the lake. There was a neighbor and so it I was there on a very secluded island with the neighbor and and my partner
and
And then they would they would drink I'm not I'm not a drinker
But as the night would go on there would there was some kind of uh abusive
Something would happen because of the booze and there was a teaming up going on
Well, the guy at one point. I think I confronted him or shocked him or something
Like I can do and and he actually exposed to me
He pulled the curtain back and he said now he referred to men it unfortunately fed my then feminist views
Which I don't really have anymore, but he said beth
when when guys are like
Compromised or behind the eight ball or they've done something wrong
They support each other
And they will stand behind each other even if they're dead wrong
So it's a little bit it sounds like what you're describing here
Yeah, and it's it's in the culture and if you try to step out of that frame
You're gonna get beat down and uh, you know, not only do they hold that against you like the social acceptance within the police department
But also like, you know, monetarily wise, right people are motivated by money
And you know the higher you go up in rank
The more money you make and it's all about retirement and every cop will talk about retirement and you know
Hey, it's my best five years. So I want to make sure that I've got this rank whatever
And I want to be again like there's a lot of great constables out there
But they'll probably only be constables maybe a sergeant if you're going up into inspector superintendent
then, you know
He probably compromised a little bit of your integrity if not a lot of it and my my friend umar
Shabazz used to always say if their lips are moving they're lying because it's kind of true like it because it's very political
And when that happens, you know, they're going to see whatever they want to get that promotion
And it's based on and even for them it's based on on performance like
When I was a crime analyst
So there's a few different areas I worked I worked on the street
I worked in recruiting and training that gave me some insight into like
Because you're kind of rubbing rubbing elbows with the chief and the deputy chiefs because you're writing reports
And you're hiring people and they're the people that are approving these hires
And you're you know taking uh candidates in to get interviewed by them and so forth
You get to know them
And because we worked in the small office you're working with the staff surgeon the sergeant staff surgeon and the inspector
Of hr and we're all kind of like, you know
Getting friendly you have coffee talk, you know on fridays you have coffee and so forth
And um, so you kind of see how these guys, you know, think you see how
They know how to play the game and you see how they've manipulated their way up
And it gets kind of concerning because you think as a street officer you think one thing about the administration
But then when you get exposed to it
You think another thing because you get your you know the the veils removed a bit
And I guess that's like anything in life, you know
Like I said, we like we were talking about before we're all kind of programmed and you know
We all have our own stuff that we have to kind of deal with
But in policing it really bothered me because again you're you're
You're playing with people's lives
And if I can give you another example and this happened to a friend of mine
Now the article
Was also ran ran by the London Free Press
And I've got another story about the London Free Press after because there's only so far
They'll go with the truth because I did speak to those guys
After my conviction and so forth
But in that article
a friend of mine
Was was charged with uttering threats in a situation it became he was dating a girl
One of his friends started seeing her behind his back
and you know
It kind of escalated from there
now
She was somewhat she had some emotional instability, whatever
And no slight to her a nice person, but you know, we all have our issues that we're dealing with
Well, if you read that article
you're going to find that
The investigators that were investigating him one was for major crime. I think the other a sergeant was from
sexual assault
And all the because when you're investigating a constable that's be it's somewhat of higher rank
And in the investigation like that
It all comes from the top down right from the chief like the chief is and the superintendent inspector cid
They're the ones kind of running the show
So everybody wants to do well because there's it's a high profile case within the department
And you get rewarded for you know your work and doing what you're told
And you know because mike, you know wasn't
You know, he's liked but he's not a guy like he's kind of a guy like me
We don't go drinking with the guys. We don't drive home drunk
You know
We socialize with some close friends, but that's it
And anyway
So she makes an allegation which is fine, you know, she's allowed to make the allegation
But in their investigation
They completely breaches rights
to the point where it's blatant like and
To the judge's credit when it goes to trial
The judge is like, I don't believe you know
This one
Investigator and she was the one that worked in major crime
And this is going to be my point in the end, but she worked in major crime and
I had heard rumors from
Well, some people that even in major crime like when they're investigating homicides and serious offenses that
Some people would kind of manipulate evidence
You know to get a conviction because it makes them look good
And it fosters their career again not looking for the truth, but looking what is best suited for them
So the one investigator when the lead investigators in this she was a major crime
And
You know
It was found if you read the article like I don't want to get too deep into it that she was making up
Uh a lot of the stuff that she was she was saying in her testimony to the point where
She gave her her evidence
And then I think the next day she comes in and says oh
I didn't submit this as as my part of my notes
But I found the scratch pad and then my scratch pad
It supports what I'm seeing as evidence from the day before
and
It was blatant and the judge didn't buy it. Thank god and and my friend was
Was let go and you know, but it cost him
his reputation cost him
I don't know hundreds of thousands or maybe a hundred and something thousand dollars or whatever
You know my case cost me even way more than that
um
and
It bothers me like even in that case there was another incident where
I actually bailed him out of jail
and he's living at my house
and
So he's allowed to go anywhere with me or one of his other sureties
So a friend of ours had a there's a summertime
So a friend of ours had a cottage as she rented in grand bend
So she invited us out up there
So we're going up there together
We're i'm sitting right beside him
And these two officers pull up beside us. They're off duty
And they say oh well, you know mike was driving up there by himself and um, you know
He should be breached in the reporting this
And they did an investigation and to
You know, thank god we stopped for gas and the gas station had video evidence
Because you know
He was exonerated from that charge like and I was with him and said hey, man
I was right beside him
But there's chances that they wouldn't believe me, but they would believe the video evidence
and
And the thing is about this I don't want to get too. I don't want to get gripy
I don't want to talk about this in the way like i'm trying to
paint a bad light of all these people but
Like we said before they're bought into a system and they think this is okay
And I think that happens to a lot of people
you know
That do this kind of thing like whether it's like dark old Jovanovic the guy that conned me
or
corporations or you know
Media and so forth because they think they justified in their own mind
And I think for me at least it showed me
How much of this is out there? It's like everywhere you turn
You know, you're you're being bombarded. You're being gaslighted. You know, I mean like hey
I don't know if I can say vaccine, but hey, you know
Okay, so
jab or whatever
Okay, the JB dab whatever but even there like
You know your perception of reality is being formulated and how they do that do it by
What the police do and what the superiors do and even Darko did to me. I should say
They use fear and they use all this pressure and they you know
And you're not going to be part of society and you're not going to be able to work and all these things
to get their way and then eventually eventually people just succumb to it submit to it some people don't and
but you know, I you know, I don't get too often a tangent but even
Even the alternative media like a lot of them are as you can probably say
Better than I can are
Equally is guilty of that. You know, I mean like hey, I love myself some some alex jones
But alex jones like I'll tell you he's got his agenda
And he's screaming at you and he's telling you the the sky has fallen and you got to do this and you got to do that
Not to say that, you know, he's doesn't have a lot of good things to report on
but you know
They're leading you down a path like you can give people 80% truth and 20% can be lies
And deceit and they're going to still lead you down the path
They want you to go and you know, I don't I guess this this podcast isn't about that
But it kind of is me it is
I did a whole series on the archetypes of controlled op
So that people could learn the patterns of that not me just calling this one out and that one out
But yeah, that's that's a really big part of it
I wanted to point out and then I'm going to go to the chat because there's some good stuff in there too
Just that people do think it's okay
Even when they're in the midst of cooperating with the corruption that's
Like you said, it's not just systemic. It's cultural
Right, so we'll see this pattern in a lot of different areas of of life
especially ones that are an authority to us
and people generally like I think in my study of of the human
condition and behavior
reveals that
people don't do wrongs
knowingly or with you know with a clear intent that that that would be relegated to the psychopaths
Of of our culture which there are but it's not the whole of and and psychopaths can't really run the show
they need everybody else that's
One layer or two layers or five layers or how many layers down in the in the unconscious
And that's exactly what you're dealing with when you try it when anybody
That's awake to something tries to come forward
They're dealing with a bunch of people who have their consciousness completely suppressed
Which allows them to do wrongs
If they let it come to the forward then they'd go like oh, that's painful
I might have to question my morals or my ethics and or make a change or have remorse
So yeah, they they actually do think it's okay
So that was a really long way to just agree with what you're saying there
And if you don't mind I'll just go back to the chat before we get into the the story that you came here to tell
I'm sorry. It's been so long to get there
Maybe we'll have to do two parts on this if you're if you're game for it, but um
First of all, thank you Maya for pointing out that I had a wrong link in my blog darn it
It is changed now. So if anybody was confused by that
Please do let me know
Jackie said back in the day police were referred to as pigs. I know well, that's exactly that was that was the culture indoctrination
cultural indoctrination I was under
And she never subscribed to that
Yeah, that's what we call them the pigs. It was like it not not very pleasant at all feel free to jump in at any point here
uh, hello glenda and
Genevieve said the hardest receptions you ever took part as a restaurateur was the private police parties
Absolutely terrifying how they acted their manner was treating staff drunk drivers, etc. Etc. Yeah
Um, and you also have had amazing experiences with good officers as well
Now I'm a little sad to hear that they don't make it pass certain places
because uh, you know
I do know intuitively that there are police officers out there who
they don't get off on
causing you trouble on causing you a delay and causing you an expense or the stress
That comes of even just a simple pullover on the road
But there do you think do you think it gets that extreme where they they get?
um pleasure out of it
Yeah for some people for sure and I think that's maybe a part of it's a coping mechanism
Because like I said before they're they're trying to divide the police like use an officer against
Society a civilian right like they even say, oh, they're civilian
You know we're police whatever
So there's a divide there and I think they use that to their advantage
Uh culturally and the thing is it's the same probably with you know doctors and same with lawyers and so forth, right?
but there is and
What is that accomplish the divide?
The divide accomplishes like more enforcement if you ask me
Accomplishes, you know, they get their way, you know and
Even when you move up the ranks like, you know, it's not like they have numbers that they have to
You know submit to the police services board in order to keep their position or move up a position
for instance like
I remember when I worked as a crime analyst
One of the biggest things that the the CID officers the
Detectives had to do was clearance, right?
So you arrest a guy for a break and enter and then you want to clear
A million you know not a million but like a lot of break enters to that guy
Even if he didn't do it you're going to clear them because when it comes up on the stats
It comes up as hey, you know, these were solved by this arrest even though he was in charge for it
they were still solved
And you know, there was an article I think in the paper
About a sexual assault issue and how they were doing the clearings for certain sexual assaults and so forth
And then another an officer that I know was ordered to change those clearings and kind of lie on the report about how they were clear
so like
You know, it's not just at the constable level
Like you're constantly trying to and you're trying to do bigger and bigger things
Make a bigger bigger name for yourself
In order to kind of get promoted
Because when you go into those interviews, they're going to ask you what you do like, hey, you know
Show me a time when because I used to work recruiting. So they're kind of relatable the interview questions like show me a time when you
Uh disciplined an officer or you know, that's why a lot of these guys
People I should say go to you know internal affairs and internal affairs is a farce too like
You know a dear dear friend of mine
And again, there's so much information. I I may get kind of sidetracked. So just please reel me back in but
Like a dear dear friend of mine was investigated for something and he eventually
It took his own life and this guy's like a brother to me
We we went to school together to play football together
I'm godfather to his son
And they treated him so badly that uh, he went off on ptsd and even when he was off on ptsd
They still treated him badly still try to you know rub his nose into and eventually
It was no not completely the whole reason but you know part of the reason why why he's no longer with us
And you know, they don't care really they don't they don't you know, he's leaving a wife and two
two boys
And you know, they just move on sure they come up with this like oh, we're gonna you know come up with this like, uh
Psychological program we're gonna support people with mental health. You know, it's just words. It's just it's the same as um
Community policing, you know like for me
When you're at police college and you get indoctrinated at police college
They kind of teach you you know the teamwork and cover for each other and stuff there
But a lot of it is like hey community policing
They want you out there
Within the community within the area that you're policing
Your face out there you get to know the people no they don't
They have a community policing department
That you know is a few people that go out to schools and so forth
But they don't you want you as an officer to do that. They want you to go call to call
like I said stats
What makes me look good meaning the uh, your staff surgeon or inspector of
Uniform or or cid wherever wherever you're working and it just
I understand like I'm not trying to say hey, you know
This is not the way the world works
But you know when you start breaking it down, I don't want to get too religious here
But when you start breaking it down you kind of see that it's it's kind of a spiritual battle battle
And I don't see that lightly
No, that's exactly it. In fact, I just as I'm making notes
I I just wrote down the power of the human spirit
Which is being proven by the likes of yourself and others that do
Navigate in an equitable way
And understanding. Oh, they're not really harming anyone. Yeah, they ran a red or whatever
kind of infraction
Uh, so that they're the fact that there are still good people out there
In in law enforcement proves the power of the human spirit because they're not being rewarded any other way
for that
And the pressure is insurmountable sometimes like the pressure they put on you as an officer to perform right like in and
You know and you and it's a stressful enough job as it is
And that's why people turn to alcohol and that's why people, you know go and do those things and
Because you're dealing with like life and death situations, you know, like
you know, like
I'll tell you one of the scariest things I ever had to deal with on a repeated basis wasn't like chasing some guy down
It was like when you show up to a baby not breathing
And the mother hands you over her child and says, you know
I can kind of emotional here, but
It says, you know help me like save my save my kid, you know, that's
No, that's that's what you're there for really but anyway
Yeah, I should brought some fishies or something
But anyway, I don't normally cry and this is this is kind of bringing up some some deep harbored
emotions, I guess but anyway
Yeah, it's not to be underestimated
I have a girlfriend who is a first responder ex first responder retired, I guess
In this case and uh, she went through incredible trauma. So I can only imagine
what you've seen and been through
And if you need any assistance, this is a good
Yeah, yeah, absolutely
um
So yeah, feel free just take your take your time
Jackie was just saying in the chat that she heard many police are leaving in droves
in
In britain at least do you think that's the case that's that police are being driven out or does it really not even matter because there's always some
New person that wants the approval and will do what it takes
um
I do think it does matter like when you have officers leaving and you know
They tell you the truth when I was uh calm by dark
Oh, that was one of the things I was doing I was trying I had my exit exit strategy. I should say
And you know, I wanted to kind of like get totally out of policing
I was just fed up with it like my friends being treated certain ways that
And oh what they were doing to the public and so the all the lies and what we just kind of discussed
so I actually you know signed up for um
A lot my law degree through the university of london in england
And so I started that did my first year because I wanted to get into mediation
Um, because I was like, hey, you know what why don't I use some of the skill set that I have?
I think I have and get into mediation
So a good entry point to that is get a law degree and I could do this online, right? So
And um, so I had this exit strategy. I was like, I can't do
Like 30 years here. It's gonna like totally
You know
You know kill my soul
You know, I mean, so I need to do something that I think that you know is giving back to the community
something that you know kind of
Enlivens me not not like just and and at the time I was a auditor so
I was auditing reports and
And it was the worst job you can you can get and you know, there's a reason why they probably put me there, but anyway
Right. Yeah, good to know. Um, so we're gonna get deep into this story that
Of the events that you've been through. I just wanted to ask is this the first time that you've told it in public
To this extent. Yeah, and it's it's kind of like
You know, I don't really know what to expect and like I'm not a guy who's a big public speaker
So everyone, please forgive me if I'm if I'm not as rehearsed as other people that you're used to
You're doing great. And there's yeah, this is not a performance. So again, it's it's a real conversation
To reveal and and show us through your eyes to me
That's like the biggest privilege ever of being a podcaster and interviewer that I get to see through
People's eyes that otherwise I would never be able to understand or even approach
understanding their experience
And what what made you choose this podcast? What made you reach out to me? I'm just curious
Well, because like I did follow you quite a bit, especially during the jibby jab or whatever we can say about that
And you know the trucker convoy and so forth. Can I say that? I don't know. Yeah
And um, and you know, I respect you a lot because you're looking for truth and you're you're providing people a source of that
And not in a conspiratorial way, but in a way that you know people can relate to and
can understand and
Like I just have a lot of respect for you
That's why I kind of said like if I want to talk to somebody about this if you know
I wasn't even sure if you're going to be interested but you know
That's where I kind of want to start with somebody that does have a search for truth and a hunger for for that and
To share that with people and and you know, we need more people like that for sure
That's awesome. Thank you very much. I appreciate that and uh, yeah, it's made me actually really unpopular
I now consider myself an outlier among outliers
I can see that
Yeah, I naively thought everybody just wanted the real truth
But they want the truth that oh this truth suits me and I'm
Belonging in this club now and uh, yeah, there's a lot of clubs. I was on the outside of and now I'm not
I'm not even on the outside anymore
I don't belong and and it's okay. God takes care of me. Everything seems to be working out
So well and that's to our point I guess here because the thing isn't even those alternative media sources and you know
Outlets whatever and podcasts
There's a line like they still want to make money and they still want to be like heard by the you know by the masses
And and there's only so much that the masses can can take right so and either consciously or subconsciously
They're doing that and they're pushing you away because you're like, hey, you're not playing ball
It's the same idea with policing or any other thing. Hey, you're not one of us
You know, we don't want anything to do with you
And
So you got it. That's why I even have more respect for you bet. Oh, well, thank you
I appreciate it. I wasn't looking for compliments. I was just so curious what uh
how we how we met and uh
Yeah, it's interesting Maya's asking about have you studied the history of law
we actually have in our house of free will a law guild
And we're studying exactly that the hidden history of law that's actually not hidden at all
If you look at it, but it's hidden from the truth movements or you know, they don't want to look at it
Is that of interest to you 100%? That's uh, something that's really really a big interest to mine like cal washington
love his work
All the people that you try to come forward and and I think everyone's got a piece of that truth
and when I when I mentioned mentioned cal is because
He does I do like the fact that he does tie in the spiritual aspect of it in the sense that hey
you know, this is a spiritual kind of like
uh
You know journey and not only that but like even the law is based
on you know, the spiritual confrontation between good and evil kind of thing and
I'll say there's there's a hundred percent truth to that in my opinion like from what I see
um
and
I'm going to be honest with you like as a
police officer like some people have this idea that
You know part of your indoctrination as a police officer constable
You know the the hidden history of of law and you know now you're you know, totally programmed and you're going to go out there like a robot
It's it's not because the thing is they're just teaching you what's you know
Societal norm, right? They want to teach you. Hey, this is the way it is
This is you know, you're kind of conforming, you know, I mean conspiracy of ignorance. I'm ignorant to the truth
I'm just you know, this is the way it is. This is the way I think you know policing is
um
But based on my experience 100% like I think there's a lot to that and that's part of the gaslighting like you have
You know, if I really think about it, it's like this
um
The justice system isn't for us. It wasn't built for us the government the way it is now isn't built for us
It's built by the people that control it and the people that control it uses
Use for their benefit not for ours and same with the justice system as I found out when I was going through
My ordeal I thought even in at that time after I was charged or whatever
That truth would come to light and that you know, there'd be an opportunity for that
Even though I knew, you know
The hidden history of law which gets really complicated. It's kind of even more complicated and I understand even I understand like a little tiny bit of
legalese
That can get really because there's so many different kind of factions to it like everyone thinks they're right
I love to get everybody into a room together
And kind of hash it out
And then you know move forward as a society, but anyway, yeah, and exactly I'm sure you agree with me yet
so
I do and and yet I'm also in the process through through some new
Hidden history coming forward. Thanks to a member of the house of free will that uh, I'm I'm trying to be less
What's the word?
Have less animosity to it and and also to see how the development of law
Is equally about the evolution of culture
As it is about controlling people now
I know
Things have gone sideways and there is more at stake now for just like crushing the people
And putting them down and especially in canada moving towards a tyrannical, you know, kind of venezuela
Government I was reading somebody's post that's from venezuela yesterday and I'm going like wow. This is kind of rolling out here in the same
possible way
And uh, I just have to say somebody, you know, I apologize, but um cal washington is not right on in his assessment of the law
He tells a good story. He has a beautiful
He it might be a beautiful man, although I caught him in some corruption
Internally as well. So I I'm sorry for saying that I just have to for the record know that
Oh, no, I
I don't take any offense to that because the thing is it's not like
I there's different aspects of everyone occurred a stone
I've reviewed some of his stuff as well. Great guy, like, you know, great information
I I'm not I'm not taking cal side
And like I said, I'd like to get everyone into a room to really kind of talk about it
And kind of hash it out because everyone thinks they're right
But if you're 10% wrong
You're going down the wrong path 100% as you can and I don't it didn't mean to interrupt you there
But I'm not I don't take any offense. You tell me, you know, okay
I'm not here to you know, impose my will and you know, whatever I say is law. It's not trust me
Yeah, I want to learn here as much as as provides me with insight
No worries. I just it's just for the it's just for the record because uh, I sit here and nod my head and I can't
I can't just uh, endorse things that have already been debunked
um
so
Shall we get into the story you've mentioned darko's name a few times you talked about maybe we'll start with that
that quote that
Why do
Why do uh, let's see
What do you mean by what you say or what do you mean when you say that context matters because cons don't start with lies
They start with truths. Is that the same thing in with the 80 percent
Truth and the 20 percent sideways
Yeah, I think so. I think it's like that's the way, you know, um
We're manipulated people are manipulated constantly whether it's a darko whether it's uh, like I said the media whether it's anybody that wants to get their way
you know, uh, we're constantly being
religion, you know, I mean like
They'll give you a little bit of truth and then you know, they'll do their own spin on it either consciously or subconsciously
intentionally or unintentionally
Because they think they're right or they think they're doing the right thing
And and you know the things the tactics that psychopaths use and I'm no expert in this but it's the same
You know, the danger of a psychopath though
Is that he will tailor his
His approach specifically for you, you know, because and with darko
His past was it was a long con like even when he was a Windsor pretending to be a doctor. It was a long thing
you know, I mean and
The issues with with the psychopaths from what I've learned is, you know, you really can't
Rehabilitate them like there's a doctor. I think his name is Robert Hare. He wrote what a book called without conscience and he did extensive
Research and study into psycho and psychopathy
And he was conned as well and he wrote the book on it
so to speak and
because
They study you I mean and it's no different than media and no different than the government when they're imposing their will
And they'll study you and they'll test you and then they'll see what works and what doesn't work
And then they'll mirror back to you your
um
Your um, what am I trying to say here? Um like insecurities or yeah, or even your strengths like, you know
You think people think you know when they get conned and it is a little bit of a weakness
It's a weakness obviously because the thing is you think you're they're gonna mirror back your strengths
They're gonna say that you're special. They're gonna say that. Hey, I've never met anyone like you and then
The key with darko though is that it was him and his mother and a whole cast of characters that came forward to do this
and
And that's you know, that's part of like why kind of maybe fellow
If it was just him telling me some stories and him trying to convince me
I would have been like, okay. Well, you know, just a guy
Uh, he's trying to you know manipulate but when he has his mother on the side and his mother is
You know confirming his I guess he learned from the mother how to how to do this but
and
But getting back to robert here is that he
These people have no conscience. So the thing is we want to reflect, you know
You know, we think everyone thinks like us. We think, hey, this person has morals this person and he and
Psychopaths will mirror that back to you
You know, but all they're doing is that's just a fake, you know, it's just them saying, okay
Well, this is what I do to get my way. This is what I do to manipulate people is by saying, yeah
Hey, I have a conscience. You're like darko was telling me he would give like hundreds of thousands of dollars away because he presented himself as this
engineer
famous engineer or whatever and
You know, and then it would be supported by
His mother be supported by these other cast of characters within the fraud
And then you're like, okay. Well, you know, hey, this guy's like
He's like gondi. He's like, you know, he's given away his his livelihood just to help somebody
And this could be the furthest thing from the truth and they also use like
You know, only you can help only you can do this
and you know tactics like
um, a lot of fear, you know fear like for me
You know, I love my friends and family, you know, of friends that are like my family
um
and I hold these people really close to my heart and so he
Probably read that and had to find a way into there
so like, you know
He brought his mother over to meet me and at that point, you know, his mother was really like, oh, you know
You remind me of my son that passed away in israel. They said they were Israeli. I don't know where they're from
nobody really knows where this guy's from
and
slowly they bring into the family slowly they kind of like and you think, you know
You're dealing with somebody with the same kind of outlook as you do
But it's the furthest one the truth and you know, I think it's the same with a lot of corporate america
Like, you know, hey, you got guys up there running the show
Talk about big pharma
They don't care. They don't care whether people live or die. It's all about money profit
You know justification. I don't know. Can I say that on the podcast? Is that okay?
So first again, yeah, okay, so and um
Yeah, and you know, so there's a lot of people like darko not only in the police department in the higher ranks some of them
Maybe not to that extent because I think, you know, darko himself had a lot of like
Insecurities he had a lot of like demons, you know, a lot of trauma in his life
not to kind of make an excuse for the guy but
um
because
Sorry
Oh, it starts somewhere right like that's that's how people can become psychopathic is bywithstanding huge damage themselves
Yeah, and you know, if I take a step back from my emotional attachment to it
I take a step back and say, okay. Hey, you know part of me
Wants this guy to burn in hell and he probably will I don't know
um
But I used to work with young offenders and understand that I dealt with a lot of like
psychopaths and sociopaths and very traumatized kids there
And behind every kid behind every psychopath, there's probably some massive trauma. Maybe not and all of them. I like I said, I'm not a
a doctor
I'm just making this stuff up but
based on my experience
and
you know
It's it's similar like I kind of lost my train of thought there
So I don't know if you can kind of reel me back
Is there anything you want to ask me about that?
Sure. Well, just even to just chime in about uh, how psychopaths
tailor to you and
I actually had one student. I don't I don't want to overstate it
but but in the end had had been doing psychopathic things and you know behind the scenes and manipulating and
stealing even and
It almost never happens
but it was one of those rare circumstances and they actually made it through my coaching training by
memorizing
and mimicking
So it was like literally copying the process so much so that I certified them
I was completely fooled by it and taken in until at the very end
A lot of stuff started to come and come out and I confronted them
Of course, they turned around and tried to cream me in in public to my people and I just
Um, ruin my reputation as if they threatened to sue me. Unfortunately, there was zero cause of action
going on there
But uh, but yeah, it was they literally it shocked me how they could memorize pauses and certain inflections
That I would use and and then you know when I see it. I think that's cool. So
That that's a perfect example. Actually that is that explains it right there
That's what they're able to do and and darko had this like
Photographic memory, you know, I mean like he could memorize stuff and you know, regurgitate conversations and put his own twist on it
To make you think like, you know, maybe that didn't happen
Um, but yeah, that that is exact. That's an excellent way to kind of frame that for sure
Thank you. One one more thing is that the trauma seems to come with compensatory gifts
And you don't actually get those gifts if you don't heal
But you have that, uh, you know magic power
of memorization of photographic memory of
You know reading someone really deeply it's probably all related to a very
Uh hyper vigilant nervous system for example being able to take in more data because your survival probably depended on it at some point
So yeah, it's uh, it's a crazy one the genius is I got I got pulled in by another psychopath
It took me weeks to figure it out. They came to me saying oh beth you're the one you can help me
I've been through all this terrible stuff
That's that was what my weakness, which I shouldn't claim in public, but that
You know, if somebody wants help then I want to help them
And if they look helpable, but at the end of the day, there was absolutely no
Getting to it. It turned into a grift. He was trying to get money from me. He tried to frame me
Uh, you know, the relationship had become personal
So he threatened that that he was going to tell people and I and I actually went to the streets and said
Hey, guess what? I guess the mistake big mistake that I just made
I told people I told him I was telling people that he held nothing over me
And uh disappeared luckily, but wow
Yeah, so somebody in the chat is asking who's darko
And I think maybe it's time to go back to the beginning of your story
Maybe when you met him, what was the situation and what what happened?
For sure
I just want to add one thing to what you were saying because like even with darko and we'll get to
Who he was and how that happened the second year, but
It's it's funny because like it's not about the money's about with them all the time
It's about control and power
And that's why I mean like a lot of these people who you know
Run the show the government blah blah blah
It's about control and power and they they can emulate and they can mirror back to you all these things that you think
Hey, they're just like me, but they're not you know, I mean like they have a different
intention behind that but anyway
Darko so what happened with me?
was
um
I met darko he in 2015. I was selling my vehicle
And he came over and he brought a bottle of wine and he said he was Israeli and he came over in a nice car
I said he wanted to buy a car for a son
and at that time
Again, I was going through a lot of issues in regards to
Why I wanted to be a police officer was you know, I think I've I finished my first year of law
and had my exit strategy
And my mom at the time was going through a very serious medical issue
And
So I eventually went off on stress leave the taker to Toronto, which is a couple hours from where I lived in
London and to get her treatment. We did hyperbarics. We saw this qigong
acupuncturist who was amazing. He passed away now doctor chow
And just to get her better because the doctors weren't doing anything and this was this
Non-healing wound on her leg that was pretty much just taking up like eating up her whole leg
And she you know, they weren't giving her pain medication
Not like she wanted it but and she was just screaming and pain all the time
And she so I finally just grabbed her and said we're going to Toronto. So I met Darko at this time then
Much like your stories, um, he kind of inserted his his uh himself in my life
You know, first of all, he you know, did me some favors. He knew I was under a lot of stress
and
Which made me susceptible. Sorry
to um
To be an influence and manipulated by him obviously because when you're under that kind of stress
And you're focused on that and it was one of the most stressful things I had to deal with because
We had a finite place to live for like we were there for four months
And you know, you're taking her like i'm cooking very bad food because i'm a bad cook and um, i'm caring for her wound
I'm taking her to
Uh three different appointments the hyperbarics and it's just you know
She's always in pain and screaming and
So anyway, um, so he started
Oh, go ahead. Sorry you went through that. Oh, thank you. Um, my mom's past now. So she no longer suffers but
But yeah, I appreciate that. She was she was one
Uh, she was a great lady like she was
All my friends called her ma because she was just motherly to everybody and she was uh fantastic. So i'm doing anything for
um
So anyway, like
You know, it starts off as you probably know, you know, they they try to
You know, he started doing a couple little favors for me. Like I was in toronto
I needed a doctor's note. I was there from like monday to friday. We don't want to come home on the weekend
So he had a jewish friend who was a doctor because he said he was israeli and jewish
And so i'm gonna saw this guy and then he wrote me a note to tide me over until i can see my own doctor
and then
um at the time
There was a defamatory post on the internet about me
I did this girl and her ex a husband got jealous and you know
Put something up on the internet and I couldn't take it down. I had to I tried to hire a lawyer
Um, couldn't get it taken down. Um
You know went to the website, you know, they didn't respond
so, um
he
present himself
as being uh
ex-military ex-intelligence massage or whatever you want to say
Eventually he said this and his mother also said this and
So he said well, look, I've got a friend who's still, you know
Involved he can get probably get that taken down no problem and you got it taken down
um
And then you know, he as you learn more about me he learned that
Hey, um, I had big issues with the police department. I didn't like what they were doing
Um, I didn't want to be there. I had my exit strategy
so
He took advantage of
What the things that I thought were my strengths and you know, like, you know family and in france and moral integrity
moral integrity and
you know, uh
My frustration with the justice system and then I was there actually I wanted to make a difference and not
Be part of the problem
and
So he saw that and then he saw that as an opportunity
to
create a bigger story
And so what happened was
And there's a lot of components to the story and
I'm not going to be able to cover everything because the fraud is just so vast and it went on for like a year a year and a half
But anyway, he he
One of the first things he did was he got this
Lawyer from toronto juliana greenspan. Her dad was uh, I think his name was eddie greenspan, right famous lawyer
most of your
People wouldn't understand who he is
And
So he said that she was a friend the family
So then there's a i'm in toronto at the time dealing with my mom
But I give this phone call from darko and I didn't know him as darko
I knew him as erin erin barack not darko gervanovich darko's his real name
So erin calls me or darko calls me and says look i've got someone on the phone. It was juliana
He's like, oh well, we've got that post taken down
But you know, you should sue this guy for defamation
You know, you shouldn't get away with that
And i'm like, okay. Well, and she said oh, it's really easy, you know
Like she kind of said she'd take on the case that she wanted me to email her some information
So i'm like no problem
I said on the weekend when I get home i'll email it to you so I didn't write down her email
I went to her website
And I saw her email and I emailed her directly
And she got back to me saying she'll review the information and go from there
And then I hear back from her maybe like a month or so later two months later
And she texts me and she says look i'm going to do this as a favor to
For you because you're friends with erin and his mother and the father and
all sorts of stuff
And so i'm going to text you
I don't you know, I don't you know, we're going to
Call and text rather than you come in and see me or whatever
I couldn't see her anyway because I was just too busy
so, um
What happened there, I think was that he was pretending to be her to me obviously what she was and then
At some point he pretended to be me to her
um
And you know because you know, there's some questions there because at one point she said she got me the settlement
and um, I remember
You know, I was very grateful and she wasn't taking any money. So I sent her this very expensive. Um
Uh gift certificate to the spa. I think was the Ritz Carlton at the time
and it's like
$1,800 and uh because 18s obviously a special number in Judaism, whatever
So and I and I sent it to her office because I didn't have her her house address
So it was already gone. It was already there. I remember telling darko about this
My my spoke to him and like he just lost his biscuit like he just was like, oh, you can't do that because
You know, she's got partners and they're going to ask why why she's getting it didn't make any sense
But the time though because i'm trying to you know respect her because she did me this huge favor
You know, I'm I'm you know, like again, it's the first time I was really like, oh my god
What do I do? I kind of messed this whole up this whole this thing whole this this thing all up, right? So
um
so
At that point he started to present himself as being um
Part of the community is really community and he knew a lot actually about
um
the corruption within the department
And not the stuff we're talking about like the surface level stuff
I'll take a step back for a second
When I was in the crime analyst office
We used to go to intel meetings intelligence meetings and we had um
Like this informal meeting between us the three analysts
And the opp so we'd get together with them every friday for coffee
And the opp intel guys would say, you know
You know, we've got information that there's some senior officers that are involved in like uh drugs and so forth
And you know, there's um senior officers. They're kind of trying to kibosh some of our investigations. There was one gentleman
Who I heard from other sources had ties to hamas and so forth and
he was uh
Largely involved in the criminal underworld and you know, the opp said that they were trying to get um
Uh permission to go into london and do a probe on this guy
But because it's in london they have to get permission from the inspector or the superintendent from cid
And they were always turned down
And so there's a lot of questions there like this is not stuff that that i'm making up
This is not stuff. This is stuff that coming from who I thought was my friend
within the opp and um
So
darko knew some of this stuff and
You know, eventually as the story kind of moves forward
He had befriended other police officers and called them as well
And that never came out in the case
And to the point where when he was charged in winsor
um
One of the officers one of his buddies from the opp gave him the stetson hat because they had I think transitioned from the stetson back to
The ball cap or something
And when darko was charged and arrested they found the stetson hat and this guy got in trouble for giving the stetson hat too darko
And I think those guys knew him as a dentist
So he obviously was very good at kind of getting information and he wasn't
I gotta be honest with you like for me
At first I never thought darko would like anybody would try to
defraud a
police officer in this manner, you know, I mean like
It was the last thing I would have thought about, you know, I mean because like you know, i'm a police officer
You know, I have all these resources and you're trying to tell me that you're trying to defraud me and you know
But a lot of the things like I said, um
Before like they were based on truth a lot of it was based on a lot of truth
And then he elaborated
that truth and he kind of you know
blew it up to something that was like
Maybe a little bit unbelievable but the time because of the stress and so forth
um
I kind of bought into it
and
It was all around trying to expose the corruption within the linden police department because he knew that was a big thing for me
and
you know
What he did and how he did it was, you know, like he
he first first of all, you know
I used to work like as crime ants like I said, so at one point I had a top secret clearance with the rcmp
So, you know, I was used to not, you know, having like being able to talk about things with the rcmp
their anti-terrorism unit but not being able to share that with my superior because he didn't have the same clearance
when the sergeants whatever
so
I think he like, you know, obviously he read me like a book and I've got to admit that and
you know
How the the fraud kind of goes on and goes forward
Like I said, it's it's a really vast and like there's a lot of little intricate details
But I don't want to get too bogged down with that kind of stuff
but
Is that he knew that it was frustrated and he knew that this was a big bonus contention for me
And that's why I was leaving policing. So he just used that and then, you know
Juliana would call me his mom would call me or text me
Juliana texted me more than she ever called whoever she would whoever he was getting to play Juliana
and um
So she would text me and tell me about how darko
Was a selfless person who'd give away his fortune
And at the time he was going through a divorce and she was going to represent him
Uh in family law because his wife was trying to
To take all his money and that you know, he was approached by
At one point he was approached by
One of the
criminal underworld
Heads this guy who was another Israeli that knew the family
And he said, uh
You know, they want me to because he was an engineer. They wanted him to design
certain compartments
Uh for drugs so they can bring drugs across the border and so forth and you know dealing with juliana
You know, she would support this information saying that you know, we need darko as this witness and they're targeting him at one point
um
he said that um
One of the inspectors went over on behalf of one of these
criminal
kingpins
and um threatened him
I said, you know what like
You know, I would just say hey look you better play ball or you're going to be in a lot of trouble
with the police and so forth
And his mother supported this that this happened and then juliana would as well
and then for me
because like, you know
You know his mother wanted me to call her ima which is like mom mother israel in hebra, right?
So i'm like and so like she she kind of pulled me in as well
and then i'm like
And then he went off on her at that during that incident and said some really nasty things to her and i'm like oh my god
Like if someone said that to my mother
Man, i'm going to be enraged
So then maybe maybe really like played on my emotions obviously as you know
and
And then he would show me like you know a text from from people and
You know, he was getting phone calls from the chief and from various people in the department
and at one point
You know
Even even even i was just like okay. Well, this is just too
Too vast to be kind of true
But then i would get like a phone call from one of my opp friends who i thought i could trust
And um
His name was jonathan asin and and john we called them tubs
So tubs would call me up and say look because at first to take a step back here at first
When darko's kind of give me all this information when darko's trying to tell me you know
He knows all the people in the world. He's being targeted by the place. He's
You know, there's a lot going on
My first reaction was this is way above my pay grade. I don't know what to do with this
I'm going to go to people that I trust within the department within the opp
And rcmp and say look this is what this guy's saying. Is there any truth to it like
So I go to a couple people
I was going to go to a friend of mine the rcmp, but then my buddy tubs in
In the opp
Said no, you can't trust the rcmp. You can only come to me and you said look at this time
You know, he was involved in this
Special unit and he probably was and he was
That was um targeting like senior high level
corruption within departments
And so he said he now I know now looking back
I know why he wanted to be the sole guy on this because he wanted all
You know the credibility we wanted all the notoriety that came came from it so
and
so even he kind of like
Not knowingly
being you know
Probably self-centered
He was doing the same thing kind of what darko was doing because he wanted everything for himself, right?
He wanted you didn't really want to bring the troops in to kind of solve the issue
but anyway
Long story short with that in the end like he could have came forward
During my trial and could have kind of set the record straight, but he refused to
Tell the truth even though we had text messages and so forth that you know supported
What I was trying to present but anyway
So anyway, darko now. Do you have any ant questions with that because I'm kind of a little bit kind of
Discombobulated I know I'm kind of jumping around but there's kind of context that needs to kind of be kind of inputted
What I'm kind of trying to describe what darko was doing and later on when we if we do get into my case my criminal case
If we have time, you know, we're kind of running running along here, but
Then no, it's great. You're you're doing awesome. It is a very complex story as as em was saying
so this is a long con and
Chances are if it hadn't have been so elaborate and ongoing and over time and you know, so
seemingly building on relationships
Then I bet you wouldn't have been
Taken this way that they had to plan something knowing who you are or that's my guess anyway
They had to plan it really intricate
Yeah, I I agree and and you know they play what I thought were my strengths obviously became my weaknesses
And you know, that's what these people do. They they pray on people to have a moral fiber. They pray on people that you know
Want to do good in the in the in the work in the community and so forth and again and for him like
um
He could have easily conned people
He could have been calling people doing like black money scams and so forth and probably making money
But for him like I said is it was more about control
It was more about some deep deep stuff that wounds that he had that
Really wanted him to be able to manipulate someone's life and destroy his destroy someone's life, which he did
um
Now i'm not trying to be the victim here like obviously you were victimized
I was victimized but the thing is you know, I have to take responsibility for what I did
I did cooperate with this. I should have known better
At certain points and I tried to but again like these weird things would happen what tubs would call me and say hey
I gotta talk to your guy
because I tried to get
Jonathan or tubs and erin or darko together because i'm like you guys need to meet you guys need to solve this
you guys need to
But there was always a reason why like darko doesn't trust the police because
You know that was in their culture. You can only trust me again
Only you're an only person that could you know
Help him
um
And then the story went on that, you know, he had ptsd because he served in the israeli army and
um
So, you know, he would act really crazy and save really irrational things and do rational
um actions and stuff
But it was justified because juliana and his mom would text me or his mom would say, you know
You gotta protect him because he's got this mental instability
So it kind of gave him the excuse to to go off the wall and drink and and do some crazy stuff
And they really tried my patience and i'll tell you like part of this is when I look at myself it kind of really
Like you think you know who you are
and i'm gonna
Go off on a tangent here but but you think you know who you are and you think you're
You know what you're capable of
You know to protect your family and your friends and so forth
But till you push to the limits, which he did
um
I never really thought like I never realized that had that that in me like you think you do you conceptualize it and say
Yeah, you know what if that happened I would do whatever it took to to protect my family whatever
And you know, he he presented so many different
Situations to me that were life and death, you know, I mean like my family was in jeopardy or you know
At one point because he was off on this ptsd thing. He didn't know what he was doing
So he's threatening my family threatened me
Repeatedly threatened my of the younger sister's special needs. She's like the sweetest girl. You're gonna ever meet
the things he said that he was going to do
um
to her and my parents and
You know if I didn't play ball because at certain points I was just like, okay
well, this is kind of like
Way above me like I can't be involved in this right
And then he'd say sorry, you know, oh my god. I had ptsd at all these things but
Which made him very unpredictable to me
I made him like
And that's what he wanted
He wanted me to be fearful of what he would do to not only me but to the people that I loved
And which was another way to kind of and like who could I talk to about this?
You know, I couldn't talk to anybody about this
I try to confide in juliana and text her and if we had the odd conversation
She told me I was wrong
You know, it was my fault that something happened
Which is what they do. You're the gas lady exactly if I can jump in quickly here
They uh that unpredictability it and the confusion and the erratic behavior and the pushing of the limits
And testing those limits to me. That's all a symptom of of calling out the child's archetype in us
That gets lost in confusion and that can be overwhelmed
easily
and who
Just wants to trust
Which is a shadow, right the desire to trust the other
Which they put on a pendulum between this like oh, I shouldn't trust the other. I should trust myself
Oh, don't trust yourself. Trust the other. Those are both wrong by the way
Just that it like trust isn't really designed for human beings at all
and uh
Yeah, so that uh
That's how they get us
That was the whole strategy of the pandemic for the vast majority of people except those of us who are more
A little bit up the scale send you a copy of my book if you're interested by the way
I'd love to read it. Yeah up the scale in uh in the rebel archetype
They they saw us coming to and that planned quite a lot for for our entertainment so to speak
But uh, yeah, do do keep going
No, I completely agree with that and you have some great insights, Beth
Obviously with the work you do and and uh all the experience if you've had so yeah, that's that's that's
100% agree with everything you just said
Thank you. Yeah, the massive vulnerability and uh, you know going through things and having an open heart. That's just all
you know
What do you call it?
cannon fodder or
So expression like that. Yeah, and you know like it's
Whenever someone's trying to force you to react out of fear
I've really kind of and this and I took this in my trial because my lawyer at the time who I
I kind of thought I could trust but you know, that's another story about how
I was told after that he was somewhat influenced
um to kind of like, you know, uh
kind of washed a whole thing under the rug and kind of thrown me to the world's kind of thing but
um
I remember telling my lawyer and I said I said look, you know
I'm not making any decisions based on fear and that's one lesson
I'd learned from this whole thing with dark because there's always fear. It was always
Something drastic happened. It was my fault. He had to help. You had to save me or
um, I was responsible and only he could be the one to you know, so
It's kind of like, you know, the black money scam. It's kind of the black money scam
But you know with the people that get called and they think it's their son or daughter or grandson or daughter and they're like, hey
I need $10,000 or you know, something's gonna happen to me
You know, my best advice is just take a step back. Take a breath
You know talk to somebody because when somebody doesn't want you to share the news with anyone else
That's a huge red flag. You know, um, it really is I I'm actually just teaching that
Or I just did a video about that for a new course
That has happened the odd time once in particular where someone divulged something
Around being suicidal and they swore the their partner to secrecy
And it created so much tension and pain and suffering for both of them and then for the group
Right, it spilled over that and finally it got back to me. What was going on
So then I could manage it now I I make people swear if something weird happens
In a private group or in a conversation or with a partner then you got to tell me
Especially if they say don't tell anyone
Yeah, you know, it's the manipulation like we're
We're kind of like indoctrinated into it and keep going back to this from birth
You know, I mean very from the onset. So, um, you know, like the powers that be do it for their benefit
You know, everyone kind of does it to their benefit knowingly or unknowingly kind of thing
and
um
But there's some red flags, you know, obviously like if something in your gut is kind of telling you something's wrong here
Probably chances are there's something probably wrong or not right there
um
The fear the pressure
Whenever there's like any someone's trying to manipulate especially someone you don't know like if you know somebody
It's your brother or sister or something and you know, they're they need something and it's you know immediate or something because you know some
Murder she's happening. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about somebody who's trying to extort you for money
Extort you for whatever it is
some type of influence
and you know
And they're trying to you know use fear as a tactic
You know, that's that's a huge red flag for me now, but anyway, that's good. That's good
So then when did you start to get hip to what darko was doing and how
Extricate yourself
well, this becomes another
you know, kind of part of the story is that
um
At some point there's a lot of points that I thought, you know, this this wasn't making sense
And then I think darko felt that and then you know, some things would just happen and kind of keep me on track
but the problem is
When when I was given the money like I lost everything I lost my house
you know, um, and that's one thing like you know because of you know, um
the magnet magnitude of
The issue at hand the crew police corruption and you know darko always made me look feel small because
You know, he had these millions and he gave it away to people to save them and you know all the manipulation tactics, but
so at one point
I know I've probably lost you know, I had loaned him like 450 thousand dollars, which is crazy. I know
um
So I ended up losing my house and I'm you know, it's still in massive debt because of it, but
um, sometimes the universe hits you with a sledgehammer. So you learn your lesson, I guess, but um
so
At some point like you kind of like for me at least it was like, okay. Well, I've invested all this money at this guy
It's got to be true. Like you kind of play games with yourself. You're like, no, no, it's got to be real
Like, you know, why would you do this? Like I would never do that with somebody else
Why would someone do that to me? You know, I mean, so
The financial investments start to interrupt the financial investment. There's even a word for that once you've paid all your money
Then your your chances of uh changing your belief or letting go of a belief is very low
Yeah, and I felt victim to that for sure
and um
I guess in the end what happened was um
I caught wind of his manipulation tactics like this my one friend
And the one thing as well if you get into this any kind of if you're exposed to like a long con or even like
Any kind of psychopath they'll try to isolate you from your friends and family
And that's important to them because they want complete control of the narrative obviously
so
Um
And he would often you know create issues like I would say like hey my friend, you know
Needs a programmer
Just come come up in conversation. My friend. He's a programmer because he's
Writing a new app for something. So, oh, I've got a guy. He owes me a favor
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna help your friend whatever
and then
You know as a result of that I can no longer trust my friend because darko found out that this guy's a scammer
This guy's I mean, it's it's the same story over and over again
He's he's the one who's gonna help somebody one of your friends one of my friends
and
As a result, you know, you put them together or whatever say, okay
Hey, you know what like okay my friend darko's got connections
He's gonna help you some of those in my favor. He wants to you know
Because he owes me kind of thing
So he wants to help out the situation and as a result of that
Now your friend who you don't really know even I've known him for 20 years
You know is a scammer and has done this before and he you know creating all these stories, right?
And making it believable believable enough that you kind of actually sit there and say, okay
Well, because he's so good at analyzing people, right? He knows the flaws in your friend
And he just you know
He expands on that so you're like, okay
Well, you know my buddy he does have a tendency to kind of do that
And maybe I got him wrong. Maybe so
Again like
That that is a huge tactic he used and to kind of get to the end of the story
Is I had a friend who was a import exporter of vehicles
so
I was again talking to darko about this and he's like, oh, I've got a friend of mine in new york
I can't remember the guy's name
And you know, I can help your buddy like I know he's having a hard time sourcing cars. I can do it for him
so
I'm like, okay, great. You know, I gave the number to my buddy said this is uh my friend erin or darko's
contact. I think his name is arie or something
And um, so I just happened to be on the phone with my buddy
and
You know, my buddy's like, okay. Well, oh your your contact arie's calling me
I'm gonna put you on mute, but I want you to listen to the conversation
So, okay. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, you know, we'll finish our conversation after
So then I'm listening to the conversation. I'm like that sounds a lot like darko
and
And I'm like something's really wrong here
And that was like the big one of the big moments. It wasn't the big moment
But it was like at the beginning of the end there. I was like, oh my god. And again, I didn't want
To not believe the story because this guy took me for everything, right like
And so I remember
You know talking to him about it and I brought it up in like a casual way. I just said, hey, you know
um
I was on the phone with my buddy when you when arie called
It kind of sounded like you
Man, oh like the wrath from juliana the lawyer the wrath from his mother
How dare I, you know question darko. How how could I do that?
So then, you know, I
Didn't really start second guess myself. I'm like something's not right here
And then shortly thereafter. I think like a week later two weeks later
Again, they blew this incident up
Because you know now I can't be trusted and now it's going to put the whole case against the
Administration on hold and it's all my fault. So they twisted again to me, right?
and
so
I'm I'm at work and I'm I'm texting, you know, juliana and the thing is is
Another tactic they use is that he was either always calling me and I don't know when this guy slept
He was always calling me
always texting me or juliana was texting me or one of the other characters brian greenspan, which was
You know juliana's uncle like there was a whole cast of characters texting me and I was most of it
was just darko, but
I did have a conversation or two with brian on the phone, but and there's obviously one of his buddies or somebody
um
and
So I don't know when he slept
So again, I'm like, well, how can this guy like he can't you know
Stay up 24 seven because I was working night shift at the time too as an auditor
So the work night shift and I'd be getting text all night from juliana who's working late on the case or whatever
So that one morning, this is still the case of uh, you getting your reputation
smeared in uh
In uh on a site or something like that. Is that no, no, this is what they do
Sorry, the last little bit i'm talking about is the case in regards to uh, see juliana. Maybe I didn't explain this, right?
juliana and darko. So juliana said that she wanted to
Uh, bring these people into the department of justice. Okay, and this was the big story
this is why I gave him all this money is because he was the key witness and he was being targeted by
some of the members in the police department
and um
So she started she said, okay, I used to be a prosecutor
I've got connections with the op that people I trust
So, um, I'm going to bring this forward and I'm going to lay the private information and I'm going to gather the evidence
So that was the case
that they were
You know
Everything hinged upon like the fact that I did this and questioned darko's
uh, you know
Personality or whatever they said is now he's going off on a tangent and and he's having ptsd episodes and
And it's my fault now. We can't go forward because he wants to leave to go back to israel
Man, there's a million stories and you know, I don't get bogged down in that so
um
So what happened was?
um, the one morning I'm at work
and
I'm texting juliana. She's texting me and she's laying into me about the whole incident still and that how how I
destroyed the case and that how I should be ashamed of myself and that
Darko's going to die because
There's also all these illnesses as his mother and darko had
We can't really get into that but
um
And the stress was my fault and now he's going to probably die because he has this rare blood disease or something
Thank goodness. It goes it goes. It's crazy and like thinking back and talking about it
Even even though I'm like, you know, how the hell did I fall for that? But when you're in there?
Like I said, it's you get wrapped up into it and um, I don't blame you one bit
yeah, and
so
At one point juliana is texting me but darko must have been half asleep because it was from his cell phone
Because she said she was in toronto and that she was on her way to london because
You know at that point I think too his his aunt had died at some point
And again that was somehow my fault the stress gave her a heart attack or something
And so and then I'm there. I text her. I'm like
Well, this doesn't make sense. Why are you texting me from darko's phone number from darko's phone?
And then she immediately or he immediately searched text me from her number, which is
A different cell phone or on this phone and she said no
I know I was that that must have been because I'm tied into his iCloud or something and at that moment
For some reason that was the moment that just said
man
I'm fucked
I mean like
Not only have I given juliana information about you know certain cases that were supposed to be tied into
You know the drugs and the drugs being you know transported and tied into this whole big
corruption scandal
And I'm like so the first thing I do is I go over and see him and then he
I started I actually recorded a lot of the conversations because I wanted to give that to my friend
jonathan or tubs
Because the second person I called after going over to see darko was him
So look man. This is you know, I thought we were I was trying to get you in on this
corruption thing
And because I try to get them together like I said a lot of times it was always something that was going on that you know
thwarted the
the meetup
I'm like
This is what kind of happening now. I'm like dude like I you know
And he's like don't worry about it because look hey, I understand, you know, you didn't have the intention to
You know give out information
You didn't have the intention to commit breach of trust. He's like look
I'm working on a huge case right now
But try to get some of your money back from this guy and then we'll do it like a formal kind of
A complaint and we'll we'll suss it all out because I'm like look I'd go to my department
But the thing is if even like five percent of what darko
Expanded upon from what I know is true
Then there's no no way that these people should be handling in this case
So jonathan's like no no don't worry about it. I'll I'll take care of it. I'll help you out. So eventually
After a few weeks. I'm like look man. I like
We we have to do something because he's not going to give me my money and it's not about the money now
It's about holding this guy accountable. It's like this guy is like because then I found out who he was
I found out his name. I found out what he did in winsor. I'm like, dude, like we need to do something like
Not only because about me, but he was also targeting other people right and
During the disclosure aspect of my case
Um, I got to go through his cell phones because I couldn't hire anybody to do it
So I went through his cell phones to try to analyze this, you know for evidence and so forth
And you know, you can see he's clearly scamming other people
And I remember there's this one gentleman this old gentleman
Barry used to send me photos of him and Barry together and he would take Barry to eye appointments
And Barry was this like I think it was like a real estate agent or something
And again darko was going to save the day and help him with his eyesight and taking to all these appointments
And I remember listening to some of the audio clips
On darko's phone and one of them is him scamming Barry
pretending to be
an
optimologist or whatever
specialist
And I try to kind of share this with the the police department and through my lawyer, but they weren't interested they weren't interested
Because as the case goes on and in my downfall became this
I didn't realize that they were investigating me. Sorry. I just gonna make sure that
The computer doesn't restart
I didn't realize they were investigating me
because
Some of the information I gave darko or juliana or whatever got out into the criminal underworld because darko was kind of sharing it with people
and
so when when I
Um, where's gonna go with this? Sorry
Since
Since we're a little bit interrupted. I am wondering about a part two
do you
Would you feel more comfortable to be able to expand rather than rush to the finish line right now?
It's totally up to you. I guess it's up to you and your listeners. Like I'm glad to come back and
I would say if you won't listen to me, but yeah, yeah, the interest is absolutely here. So
Yeah, I would feel pain if you rush too much and try to like just jam in everything
Because this is a new plot twist. You didn't realize they were investigating you
In the process. Yeah, I didn't realize that and um,
Then what happens is a result of this my downfall and I'll kind of leave this as like a spoiler alert for the next episode. I guess is
When I was dealing with juliana and darko, whoever these people were, um
I wrote a series of affidavits
And one affidavit would had to deal with um the corruption within the department
But it's more like
seniority and how people get promoted and stuff because that's what juliana asked me to do
So there was actually three different copies of this affidavit
And the last copy was was a written affidavit because she wanted to have her people
Um
Type it up for me because I typed up the first one and I think darko wanted in my handwriting
Rather than just a piece of paper where
He could say that oh, you know, he typed this up, but you couldn't prove it
um, that's my guess and
So in the second the third affidavit because there's a rough copy of the first one
And then a finalized copy that she was going to use
And then there was the handwritten stuff that would give to him to give to juliana from time to time
And that stuff had to deal with a lot of corruption within the department that I knew like, you know, them covering up for pedophiles them, you know, uh
obstructing justice and all sorts of stuff that I knew to be true and they know to be true
So when they did
They did the warrant at darko's house
At the backtrack one second
So at some point they were allegedly supposed to give my case
The investigation on me to the opp
But they never really gave it to the opp because london still were the lead investigators london still handled all the evidence
london still
Conducted all the warrants except for one warrant on my cell phone
But they went to darko's house. They took all his cell phones. They took all the
the
paperwork including
um
They said there was, you know a copy of that affidavit or affidavits that I that I wrote
And this gets a little bit more interesting because when you analyze my case, you know, you have people
Uh, the one lead investigator for london used to be
Uh in internal affairs. So he's well aware of what the protocol is. So
This is my opinion
Um, he after the warrant takes all the evidence my phone
darko's phones
all the paperwork
The affidavits and he puts it locks it in his own office
and he leaves it there for a day and a half
and
you know, if you read the
um
officer statement that you know seized the envelope with my name on it from darko's house
with you know, all the paperwork inside he says like there's a vast amount of
Papers in this envelope
Well, you know by time we got disclosure and they didn't really initially
Disclose it to us. They kind of refused to do that along with his phones. They didn't want us to have
that disclosure
Um, it was only just the one copy of the affidavit
so
And there was evidence on the phones
um
To some degree that somebody had been in the office and look
I can't prove that 100 but I know
What the game was I know what was at stake there?
I know what I wrote and I know and there's evidence of that even in disclosure of what I wrote
It's just not the complete story
So for london police to analyze all the evidence london police to conduct all the warrants for london police to
They're pretty much being controlled even though, you know, the optics of it of it was oh, we're going to give control to fp
Which never really happened
And that's a whole story in and of itself
um
Again, I'm just trying to cram that all in in like a very short, you know, five seconds or five minutes
I have here, but it does just supports
All the other things I talked about at the beginning of the podcast about you know
To what lengths are these people going to do to cover up, you know, what they've done
No one's ever going to come to you and say yeah, you know what I messed up
Pete was never going to come forward
In that one article and say yeah, hey, you know what?
I shouldn't have fucking kicked her shouldn't have stomped on her, you know
The one officer Amanda Pfeiffer who got uh, you know with my friend's case there who lied on the stand
She's never going to say oh, you know, I lied and I was I wanted, you know to promote my career
and
You know, that's the thing like
Or they're afraid to go against what the administration wants and you know
My friend got lucky there because there were a couple officers. There's one officer
His name was mark mcgoogan that stood up and told the truth
And really helped Mike out because he was like no
And but what happened to him on the side note after he goes and testifies in Mike's case shortly thereafter
He loses the job that he worked so hard for as detective in the in cid
And then he gets sent to radio and there's two places that sergeants don't want to go in the police department
The radio room and cells
And they just put him out the pasture and said, you know what if you're not going to play ball pretty much
You know, if you're not going to support, you know
What we're trying to accomplish here, I guess I don't know the reasoning behind it
The you're gonna get punished too whereas hey if if that was the case and I was the
The chief at the time and I found out that you know, they did this to this person
And that they lied on the stand
They should have been charged with perjury
They should have been at least charged under the police services act
Which is you know
Which holds like suspensions or the motions or you can lose your job
But they wouldn't do any of that
To any of these people and I can I can I can cite countless cases
Of people doing the same thing and that are being caught because they're doing an investigation on behalf of the department
They're not held accountable even though there's evidence
To point to that and like outstanding evidence they're like evidence you can't ignore like in in my friend's case
and
so
Anyway, I can go on and on I know we're kind of running out of time here
But yeah, if you do if you're if the listeners and if yourself you guys want to have me back and I can ramble some more
I'll be happy to to join you again
Absolutely. Yeah, I'd like to hear the whole the whole entire story and
Just to start closing out. Do you feel like there's any I have to imagine no
But do you feel like there's any risk to you now whatsoever coming forward with the story?
I don't think so good mind you a couple strange things happen today. I don't know why
probably just by chance
but um
I don't think so and
I've already lost everything. Where they're going to take for me and I mean like there's nothing else
You're gonna throw me in gl again for what speaking the truth, right? So, you know, and I can I know I can back up everything
I've just said here
so
Sure, like hey try it you have at it and I mean like
Right, right. Well, that's the beauty of getting beaten so badly as you have been and you didn't die and you're here
You know with still with your open heart
Oh my goodness, you didn't get bitter and go and become an alcoholic or start
attacking back or trying to get revenge, although, you know, I
I know, you know legal revenge probably would be wonderful
for you but kudos to you for
Coming through this with your integrity. Well, thanks beth and I think, you know, that's the real message
I have here is that you know, whenever someone goes through something like this
And we all kind of will go through it at some point
You know
If you look at yourself as a victim if you if you're not able to kind of look at yourself and say look
You know, I've got really look hard at what happened here. I've got to really look at the lessons that are here
Underlying this whole situation
Yeah
And you know what? Hey for for 20 years of actually was probably I think
15 years whatever
I compromised my morals as a police officer in the sense that I stood around and I was part of this thing and
You know, I thought I was trying to do good, but you know, really
You know, it's like this insurmountable. It's a huge mountain
You know, I mean you want to do something to fight it
But you can't because where do you start? You can't go with the chief. You can't go to anybody else
You can't go with a prosecutor. You can't go to the crown or you should say
No one's going to listen to you because when
Because the manipulation is just so vast
You know, I mean like you have chiefs going in to talk to the crown
And they're able to to pull charges for their friends and that happens all the time like there was
Again, I can talk forever, but
You know, there's a case recently in london
About the hockey players that sexually assaulted that girl. I can tell you right now
There's a cover up there 100% like that investigation from the onset
I don't know anything about it, but just reading it in the paper from the onset
You know, there's huge mistakes made in regards to how the investigation was led
Like you don't seize the cell phones right away from you know, these people that she's telling you that
They took photos that there's videos
You don't seize any of that and then you just let it die and then it comes back around
Just because these guys are NHL hockey players
Or at the time they weren't they were a OHL, but
anyway, it's
Anyway, it's hard to it's hard to sit with it's hard to kind of deal with and and you know, like I said for me
I had to look at my life and say, you know, there's got to be some good to this
There's got to be something more
I mean like sure I was con sure I lost everything sure
You know, but you know, it's only me made me a little bit more
um
Give me more real
Realization of who I am like the you know what I can go through
um
And when you come out on the other side of this as you probably well know
You you start to you know, identify some of those programs that you have
And I was able to work with some people that were you know, very generous with me
There's one lady Dr. Olga Stef go
If you ever have a chance to to have her on she's amazing does some great work on subconscious
programming
and my friends Vladimir and
Valerie Vladimir's
STEM instructor, so
you know, um, that's a Russian martial art and you know his breathing and his support and his wife's support
just meant the world to me as well because you know
You got to start looking for the truth. You got to start doing things that are going to build you up and and
rather than start drinking and
The things that are going to tear your life apart. But anyway, again, I'm starting to ramble and I'll let's leave it at that
No, it's all good. I'm I'm glad you found help
Now I can't help but point out again how
It really that child archetype is so forward the thing that I write about the
Betrayal is is a major shadow
And I say that the child must be betrayed must be to come out of that denial
Where you're willing to extend and have generosity of spirit in a time when it's actually not
Appropriate when you are in fact being betrayed
And so this is an experience the siren goes off in the background to accentuate it that
Everybody's trying to avoid like the plague
And so they will stay in denial
As a result and it makes them perfect fodder
For being taken advantage of and lied to and gas lit and you know, I unfortunately know what it's like to
have a
you know a gas lighter in the family sadly and
You know when they're confronted, it's dangerous
It it's energetically very dangerous
There you'd rather walk around, you know, they're going to make sure that you pay the price
for seeing
And and this is we are meant to see
Right. We are meant to have our eyes open not just with trauma and hypervigilance, but for the actual freedom
So we can know ourselves what what you
Decided to do with all of this to to learn more deeply about the truth and and to let it so obviously humble you
I completely agree and I think in one of one of your recent podcasts you talked about suffering and life is about suffering and
You know, you can allow that suffering to completely
engulf you and like in you know extinguish your light or you can actually
You know use that suffering as a as a as the wind to kind of
Flow the flame a bit a little bit higher kind of know more about yourself. That's probably real bad analogy there
But anyway, um
But you know, I mean like so for me and I'm still dealing with it
I'm still, you know, there's lots of times like, you know
I'm still trying to work through a lot of the issues here and like you said trying to look at that child but then
To kind of like see where this all stems from like, you know
What are the lessons here and so forth and it's going to be a probably a life
lifetime of learning them just based on this one incident, but you know
Yeah, I think life is about, you know, moving forward and you know learning from the past and
All that stuff you just mentioned
That's beautiful. Yeah, I love that that when we go through suffering that the worst possible thing that can be is that it's meaningless
There was no purpose in it
And that's often the case, right? There's no purpose in somebody taking incredible advantage of your
Generosity and and open-heartedness
And so in the process you turn around and you make it meaningful by coming out and sharing your story
Do you want to leave us with that for today? And we will definitely plan a part too
What what is the message that you hope people get from you?
Oh god, I don't know. I'm not a philosopher
But like anything in life for me, I guess the message for me is like, hey
You'll get through it, you know
If you there's a there's a lesson there you're gonna learn a lot about yourself
You're gonna learn a lot about what's going on around you
Like this whole incident with me is like what I've learned, you know
Some the things that conceptualized that I thought I knew you don't know and as life goes on
You're gonna learn more and more about who you truly are like inside like
Who that person is because like you were saying like, you know, you've got this child aspect, you know
All this, you know
Imprinting from when you're like
From a baby, maybe in the womb as the TCM would probably say
And then as you grow through life, it's more imprinting
And you know, I think the suffering is a way of trying to kind of remove that and try to find out who you truly are
Like see who you really are inside like what we are spiritual beings or whatever you you believe but
um
Yeah, there's there's something inside of you that that is beyond all that if that makes sense
It really does. Yeah, that's beautiful and spoken like a true king hero
I don't know about that, but thank you. Thank you. I wait for moments to say that
And I won't and I won't say this in genuinely either
That was definitely a boom
So thank you very much for
Telling this story. Thanks for contacting me and giving me the honor of helping to share out your story
Thank you very much. My my great appreciation as well. Yeah
So stay tuned. I will I will connect with you kelly again to to make it a part two time
I
Think that's it. Thank you everyone for joining. Thanks michelle for posting my telegram group chat and apologies on the link this morning
It is changed, but might have confused a few people. Luckily these do stay up as recordings
So you'll be able to access them also as podcasts on spotify itunes
I will upload to rumble. We're sort of wondering about vigilante tv
If I'm going to keep going with that or not if it's if it's been useful
Let me know if you are watching on vigilante tv just trying to simplify things a little bit
This year and uh, yep, if there ever was a king hero, we got him here in the space
We're not just blow and smoke up your body there
Thank you everybody
You're very welcome. All right lots of love for now and uh and one last comment about my course creator code
There's one spot left. I'm so excited for the group that's already joining and we're gonna
Bus through, you know, here's one last thing. I'm kind of meant to say just about
How perpetrators can work and it can be the the most benign thing
Is they or appear to be the most benign thing they waste your time and they grab your attention
When your attention is likely needed somewhere real and purposeful they
You know, what do you what's the word like help you waste it and this is this is to me a very big crime
And why did I want to say that? I think I just wanted to say that
All right, everyone have a beautiful rest of your day. Thanks again, akili
Bye everybody. Okay. Bye for now
We'll play you out with my son here we go