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Hello and welcome to the King Heroes journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens. I am super happy today to be hosting Achille Curado

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I apologize. I've spelled his name wrong in pretty much every document. I've put out there

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but welcome we are live here on

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Facebook and YouTube it looks like we're not going to be on rumble today

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Let me just see if I can make a last minute. Nope

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I can't on that but it will be uploaded to rumble and

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and

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Also showing up on my podcasts after the fact iTunes and Spotify and wherever you find these

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So I'm very inspired to talk to Achille. I'll admit partly because I

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Don't have a real behind-the-scenes with law enforcement officers

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and I often want to know what's going on in their heads and their hearts and

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Achille has been through one heck of a hero's journey

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I'm looking forward to hearing his story and sharing that with you

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Please do help me share this video out. I continue to be shadow banned and

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It's kind of sad, but we're gonna put this on the record regardless

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Let's see if there's any announcement

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I just want to let you guys know that the creator code course that I'm running starting January 14th is almost full

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I literally have one spot left

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so if anyone is interested to

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Do some really good visioneering in 2026 and get out there and create and stop paying attention

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So much to what's wrong and put your vision out in front of you

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Then please do let me know about that. So without further ado. I'm going to bring Achille on and

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make some introductions

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Hello and welcome Achille really nice to have you here. Thanks Beth. That's great to be here. Thanks for bringing me on

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I really appreciate it. You're welcome

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What would you like to share in terms of an introduction?

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Do you want me to read your your bio that you sent or?

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To just let us know yourself

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Well, I guess I guess the introduction is that

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You know, I was a police officer when I resigned a force to kind of resign on about 20 years

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and

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Throughout that time. I was exposed to a lot of corruption some of it's like systemic

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the subculture itself is is kind of

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based on protection and you know isolating ourselves from like

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The citizens or you know, you're trying to kind of it's an indoctrination, right?

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So when they indoctrinate you into policing

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They want to make you feel special

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They want to make you feel like, you know, you've been chosen. You have all this authority and power and

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it's kind of a military kind of

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System so you have to respect authority and so forth

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And that leads a lot of corruption

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Systemically and you know, just blatant corruption abuses of power and stuff

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So I'll leave that that thing you can ask me any question you like sounds good

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Yeah, that's

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I just wanted to refer to that making you feel special thing

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I have been the recipient of much of that over the years for one reason or another

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especially post-plandemic when people were trying to get me on board with their movements and

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the first thing that they do is both blow smoke up your butt and

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Make you think that you're really the one and you're gonna be the emissary of this great knowledge and

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That you're gonna be famous and all of these kind of things

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I I don't usually say too many bad words on my podcast

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But there came a time when I I realized okay this time around say if we're in

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Incarnations that are serial or repeat or parallel who knows but I just said to myself this time

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I'm unfuck with the ball

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I'm glad I could swear in the podcast. That's great. It's good to know

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Yeah, yeah, the algorithms do pick it up

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So if you if you swear a lot and express with a lot of anger and stuff like that

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It tends to choose against you, but whatever I'm pretty ruined in these algorithms

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But you make a good point because the thing is what's really kind of opened my eyes

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Through my experience is you know

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we're all kind of programmed and we're all kind of being able to be manipulated and

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You know people do that. Yeah, I guess you do it from birth, right?

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And you're you're indoctrinated into a family you're taught certain ways

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That this is normal other people maybe not as you know, we do it this way

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They do it that way. We're better than them religion does that and so I think it's hardwired because as people we want to

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Belong like, you know, we're social animals, I think right and I think maybe most people agree with that

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so

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You know when they put you on like this pedestal like, you know, hey

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You know, you've been selected of all these people your police officer of all this authority and responsibility too

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But there's there's a lot there's a big dark side to that and like anything, you know, and and when we get into the story

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We talk about Darko and how he was able to manipulate people and Windsor pretending to be a doctor for two years

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And

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Then with me he pretended to be you know, lots of things we'll get into that I guess

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And you know for me this whole experience has kind of opened my eyes

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to the larger like

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You know

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Idea that we're all kind of like constantly being bombarded constantly being gaslighted and

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for other people's games and there's people more like people there's people like Darko a lot of different areas the corporate

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America they say that there's a lot of like sociopaths and psychopaths and they're kind of drawn to that

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Along with policing like, you know, the higher you go up

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in the ranks

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The more you have to kind of drink the Kool-Aid and what we mean by that you just have to play by the rules, right and

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you know

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It's funny because I've always been a kind of conspiracy theorist even before as a police officer

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I loved health. I love conspiracy. I want to know the truth about what was going on and in

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reality and so and so forth and and I

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Always thought like policing, you know, had a role, you know, I mean like want to become a police officer

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Kind of partly to overcome my fear of the establishment

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But also because like I wanted to serve the community, you know, before I became a police officer

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I was a youth worker for seven years working with young offenders and

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The kids are really like secure custody

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kids so they were, you know, very traumatized

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And I always wanted to have this feeling like I want to give back to the community

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I wanted to kind of work with the community and police officers serve a great like a big role. Obviously, you know, if there's a

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You know robbery going on if there's a domestic assault

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There's issues going on

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You need people to step in that are trained to take care of those situations with volatile situations

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But on the other hand

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They become policy enforcers as probably a lot of people on your podcast have said and it's true and

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What it becomes is the subculture becomes

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Not what I can do for society

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It's what I can do for myself and what I mean by that is

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The whole system of policing is set up

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not to really kind of

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Breakdown your job performance. It's it's based on stats and it's based on, you know

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Quotas and they say it's not but it is because you know how they judge

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What you're doing on the street as a street officer, you know, it's all about how many tickets did you give out?

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How many criminal charges did you lay in at one time was how many street checks are you putting in?

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time per call like, you know

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You have to get that time per call down and down and down and it's this game and

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the game

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becomes a problem when you're putting the lives of the community or

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I shouldn't say lives, but you know the respect of the community behind your own, you know

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What's the word I'm trying to look for a game there you go, that's it

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And I didn't sign up for that and I didn't I didn't really jive with me and with policing, you know, the culture

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Everybody always gets together. You know, I mean like there's a definite divide that, you know

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a lot of police officers fall into where all their friends are police officers and all they do is police functions and

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For me, I didn't I didn't really jive with that. I won my friends from before

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I don't drink a lot if ever rarely and if it is it's probably an organic wine or something so

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Officers tend to like congregate. There's always probably in every city in North America. I mean even across the world

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There's always a bar

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that's the association of the union runs and it's always open for

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after shift you go there and you drink and

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I had problem with like, you know officers if you want to find the most

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You know drunk drivers just

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Wait there and wait for officers to leave and you know that kind of mentality

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Although it's this this like a small small example and I'll get it to some bigger examples after

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It kind of shows the mentality of some of the officers not everybody but some of them and

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Often it's the people that drink together

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They're the ones that get promoted because you know, there's a club and then there's a tighter club

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and then there's a tighter club as you move up the ranks and

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It's not really based on performance. It's based on who you know and you know, what you're willing to do to get there

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Do you have any questions with that at all? Yeah, yeah, lots of things I want to say

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I find that fascinating that you got actually got into the police force as a conspiracy theorist

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Might want to go back and and see where and how that happened

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they I want to emphasize the point that you made earlier just about that we want to belong and

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You know, we our tendency is to be very tribalistic out of self-preservation

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Exactly what you're saying. We feel we will survive if we're included in the club

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I like how you're pointing out that there's layers of the club

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You might be on the outside of the club. You might be more on the inside if you drink and you know

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Have secret conversations over too many beers

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I actually myself have a long history with

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the police mostly from my childhood where I was a complete rubble without a cause and I would get into

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Conflicts with police officers just at like parties and you know

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debauchery kind of situations and I got slapped around

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Just enough to like a puppy to know like oh, okay

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I'm out of my leak here and this is not a good thing to be paying attention to I was thrown in jail for a night

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and it just had some bad experiences that I was able to rein in but

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Yeah, that that needing to belong the programming of our one of the main programs that I help people to release is the want for

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Others love and approval which can actually be projected back to yourself wanting your own love and approval. It's the same program and

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So yeah, it is that ultimate drive to survive which all programming really is and

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Yeah, I hear you about the the game of it the drunk officers

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It was actually one time where I had to call the police because there's a break-in with

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In the business where I was working with my family

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And it was the middle of the night and the police came and they were definitely drunk

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They were all you know weird with me and they were very personal with me rather than business-like and

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They were want to know why I wasn't wearing shoes

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That was so important and my rebel got up in arms after that experience and I called them out

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So I called the police and I said, hey, I know that you guys were

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You know not in a in a good way and the guy started yelling at me

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And for about six weeks after my boyfriend was followed by the police and they tried to knock him off his

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Bicycle on the road one time and so I got another big slap in the head like Beth do not play in this arena

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Yeah, you know what that happens a lot and you know we can cover some

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There's an article I can bring up and it was written by the London police of London

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London Free Press and it's called

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We are the cops and in that article it kind of gives you an idea of what the subculture is about and in that article

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This lady's being booked in the cells and she's being belligerent and she's I think she weighs like a hundred pounds or something and

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the cell surgeon at the time

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Took offense to how she was you know

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treating him or yelling at him whatever and you know this she poses no threat and

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Because she wasn't answering his questions

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They end up kind of like what I would say is kind of bootstoppers. They're gonna throw on the ground

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there's three or four officers and because she's not cooperating and

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So long story short if you read that article it's very interesting

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There's video footage in cells and

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They charge her with assault police because I think at one point she bites the sergeant and

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And she's trying to kick and she's trying to get away from you know

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From being assaulted she's trying to protect herself, which is a natural thing to do

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So when it goes to court

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Her lawyer who's a smart guy says okay

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Well, you know, you're charging with assault police and you're charging with think drunken disorderly whatever she got picked up for

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You know, we want to see

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The video footage from cells everything's videotaped and they wouldn't release it and they wouldn't release it and they wouldn't release it and

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People tend to think that the crown and

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The police and there's supposed to be somewhat separate where the crown reviews the case

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And then they see whether there's charges to be laid or whether they're warranted

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In this case, you know, whether there's other activities going on other charges against the police even

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But people don't realize that there's a turning client privilege between police and the crown and the crown isn't there really to

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Do the bidding of of society the whole the whole justice system is created and

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Run and you know there to protect the people that run it and you know, it's not really not for us and

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Eventually the judge, you know

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In this case just said well, you have to release the video. It's part of disclosure. You have to do it

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So after like a year or so

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They finally released it and then what happened was the officer got charged with assault

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And I've got nothing bad to say about Pete, you know, Pete is a good guy

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I know Pete and but it's it's the whole subculture. It's the whole like, you know

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Hey, I'm gonna impose my will on people because I have that authority

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That some people have there's a lot of police officers out there that aren't like that

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And I like to think that I wasn't like that

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But I've made mistakes and you know, I had to play the game, you know to make a paycheck

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But you know, I always try to find a way around it to kind of like, you know

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But for instance for for example, you know, you had to like give out, you know

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So many tickets a month or whatever

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So I would just try to give out TTPs which were time to produce it

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So you pull someone over for speeding or whatever and you give out a TTP

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Which is you know, they don't have their driver's license or insurance card

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And then this counts as a stat for you because none of that stuff really kind of like sat well with me

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a lot of it is kind of like, you know, policy enforcement if you want to put it that way because

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When you look at it, I don't even know as a police officer

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I couldn't tell you everything that's in the criminal code

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I couldn't tell you everything that's in the highway traffic act

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But I'll bet you anybody down the road driving down the street being followed by a police officer

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They're gonna eventually, you know breach one of those issues and for me if I can be a little bit

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You know swear a little bit. I had the asshole rule

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Like, you know, if you're being an asshole on the road like you're cutting people off and speeding and putting people's lives in danger

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Okay, well then something needs to be done

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But if you're going with the flow of traffic and there's no immediate danger anybody, you know

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Why are you, you know, trying to, you know, hassle people that are just trying to get to work and earn a living?

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You know, this this life is hard enough without being tracked down, you know

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And again, like like to make my point is

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That becomes I want to give ticker. So now because it helps me it helps me get promoted

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It helps me look better. I'm gonna do I'm gonna lay some criminal charges because of that

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I can tell you another quick story

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Um, please

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So I was coming in on an afternoon shift

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And the day shift officer

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Was investigating a domestic assault. Now they already arrested them

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the

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the sale allegedly

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and

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He was in cells and he was going to booked in and the officer pretty much just wrote up already

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The prosecution summary and everything

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So he just wanted me to take a couple statements

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And at this point it was just a he said she said kind of thing

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So then I go out and you know, I'm doing my investigation trying to follow up on his

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And I'm like this guy didn't do it. Like, you know, she said it happened this way

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But I'm talking to three other people

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That said that's not the way it went down

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Um, so I go back to the cell surgeon. I upload, uh, you know, my uh report

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And the cell sergeant's like who cares

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Let let the courts decide that

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Which is, you know

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Which I had a huge problem with but there's nothing I can do. He's my he's my superior. He's my sergeant

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He's not gonna let me, you know, trump his decision

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So

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I'll tell you when I went went to court. I went I went to trial obviously

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Um, the first person to shake that guy's hand when he got off the charge was me

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I went up to him said look, you know, I didn't feel good about this charge

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I'm sorry that it happened

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But that's that's the whole thing like you're you're playing with people's lives

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Not only in regards to like him being criminally charged that being on a record

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But he's putting out a lot of money to defend himself

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And

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If we can't hold ourselves accountable

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If police officers can't look at themselves like hey, I've got to do what's best

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For the community in this situation not not what's best for me

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Not what's best for because I want a promotion or I want a lateral transfer to

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The detective office

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So that's just like a low level kind of like understanding of not only the culture

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Because the officers there them that um news article that I was talking about

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None of those other officers came forward and said yeah, pete, you know assaulted her now

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She's in the right like she shouldn't be charged

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Because the whole culture is based on you know

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Teamwork and you're part of this team and you can't speak out and you're going to be a rat

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And then no one's going to you know, I can get promoted. You know, I can get what you want

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and

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There's big issues with that and I don't care if they hire a new chief

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Um, it says he's going to change the ways. It's not going to happen

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I can probably list off a lot of different examples of that and then we can get into a lot more examples like

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um

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Some more things that I personally have not only my case

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But other cases that a personal experience with that happened to my friends that I wouldn't it's in front of me

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and if you like and get into more of that or

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You can ask another question and we can kind of go off on a different tangent

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Yeah, that's all good. I am very interested in the stories again. It's just so rare to be able to see through your eyes

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um, but I wanted to

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Make a comment about the teamwork and and this is something that

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It's funny because I was just remembering this yesterday that when I was with my son's dad

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We were at the lake. There was a neighbor and so it I was there on a very secluded island with the neighbor and and my partner

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and

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And then they would they would drink I'm not I'm not a drinker

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But as the night would go on there would there was some kind of uh abusive

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Something would happen because of the booze and there was a teaming up going on

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Well, the guy at one point. I think I confronted him or shocked him or something

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Like I can do and and he actually exposed to me

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He pulled the curtain back and he said now he referred to men it unfortunately fed my then feminist views

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Which I don't really have anymore, but he said beth

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when when guys are like

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Compromised or behind the eight ball or they've done something wrong

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They support each other

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And they will stand behind each other even if they're dead wrong

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So it's a little bit it sounds like what you're describing here

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Yeah, and it's it's in the culture and if you try to step out of that frame

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You're gonna get beat down and uh, you know, not only do they hold that against you like the social acceptance within the police department

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But also like, you know, monetarily wise, right people are motivated by money

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And you know the higher you go up in rank

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The more money you make and it's all about retirement and every cop will talk about retirement and you know

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Hey, it's my best five years. So I want to make sure that I've got this rank whatever

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And I want to be again like there's a lot of great constables out there

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But they'll probably only be constables maybe a sergeant if you're going up into inspector superintendent

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then, you know

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He probably compromised a little bit of your integrity if not a lot of it and my my friend umar

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Shabazz used to always say if their lips are moving they're lying because it's kind of true like it because it's very political

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And when that happens, you know, they're going to see whatever they want to get that promotion

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And it's based on and even for them it's based on on performance like

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When I was a crime analyst

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So there's a few different areas I worked I worked on the street

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I worked in recruiting and training that gave me some insight into like

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Because you're kind of rubbing rubbing elbows with the chief and the deputy chiefs because you're writing reports

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And you're hiring people and they're the people that are approving these hires

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And you're you know taking uh candidates in to get interviewed by them and so forth

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You get to know them

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And because we worked in the small office you're working with the staff surgeon the sergeant staff surgeon and the inspector

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Of hr and we're all kind of like, you know

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Getting friendly you have coffee talk, you know on fridays you have coffee and so forth

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And um, so you kind of see how these guys, you know, think you see how

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They know how to play the game and you see how they've manipulated their way up

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And it gets kind of concerning because you think as a street officer you think one thing about the administration

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But then when you get exposed to it

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You think another thing because you get your you know the the veils removed a bit

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And I guess that's like anything in life, you know

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Like I said, we like we were talking about before we're all kind of programmed and you know

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We all have our own stuff that we have to kind of deal with

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But in policing it really bothered me because again you're you're

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You're playing with people's lives

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And if I can give you another example and this happened to a friend of mine

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Now the article

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Was also ran ran by the London Free Press

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And I've got another story about the London Free Press after because there's only so far

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They'll go with the truth because I did speak to those guys

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After my conviction and so forth

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But in that article

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a friend of mine

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Was was charged with uttering threats in a situation it became he was dating a girl

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One of his friends started seeing her behind his back

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and you know

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It kind of escalated from there

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now

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She was somewhat she had some emotional instability, whatever

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And no slight to her a nice person, but you know, we all have our issues that we're dealing with

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Well, if you read that article

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you're going to find that

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The investigators that were investigating him one was for major crime. I think the other a sergeant was from

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sexual assault

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And all the because when you're investigating a constable that's be it's somewhat of higher rank

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And in the investigation like that

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It all comes from the top down right from the chief like the chief is and the superintendent inspector cid

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They're the ones kind of running the show

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So everybody wants to do well because there's it's a high profile case within the department

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And you get rewarded for you know your work and doing what you're told

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And you know because mike, you know wasn't

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You know, he's liked but he's not a guy like he's kind of a guy like me

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We don't go drinking with the guys. We don't drive home drunk

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You know

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We socialize with some close friends, but that's it

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And anyway

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So she makes an allegation which is fine, you know, she's allowed to make the allegation

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But in their investigation

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They completely breaches rights

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to the point where it's blatant like and

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To the judge's credit when it goes to trial

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The judge is like, I don't believe you know

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This one

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Investigator and she was the one that worked in major crime

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And this is going to be my point in the end, but she worked in major crime and

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I had heard rumors from

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Well, some people that even in major crime like when they're investigating homicides and serious offenses that

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Some people would kind of manipulate evidence

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You know to get a conviction because it makes them look good

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And it fosters their career again not looking for the truth, but looking what is best suited for them

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So the one investigator when the lead investigators in this she was a major crime

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And

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You know

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It was found if you read the article like I don't want to get too deep into it that she was making up

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Uh a lot of the stuff that she was she was saying in her testimony to the point where

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She gave her her evidence

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And then I think the next day she comes in and says oh

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I didn't submit this as as my part of my notes

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But I found the scratch pad and then my scratch pad

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It supports what I'm seeing as evidence from the day before

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and

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It was blatant and the judge didn't buy it. Thank god and and my friend was

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Was let go and you know, but it cost him

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his reputation cost him

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I don't know hundreds of thousands or maybe a hundred and something thousand dollars or whatever

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You know my case cost me even way more than that

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um

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and

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It bothers me like even in that case there was another incident where

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I actually bailed him out of jail

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and he's living at my house

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and

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So he's allowed to go anywhere with me or one of his other sureties

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So a friend of ours had a there's a summertime

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So a friend of ours had a cottage as she rented in grand bend

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So she invited us out up there

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So we're going up there together

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We're i'm sitting right beside him

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And these two officers pull up beside us. They're off duty

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And they say oh well, you know mike was driving up there by himself and um, you know

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He should be breached in the reporting this

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And they did an investigation and to

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You know, thank god we stopped for gas and the gas station had video evidence

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Because you know

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He was exonerated from that charge like and I was with him and said hey, man

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I was right beside him

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But there's chances that they wouldn't believe me, but they would believe the video evidence

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and

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And the thing is about this I don't want to get too. I don't want to get gripy

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I don't want to talk about this in the way like i'm trying to

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paint a bad light of all these people but

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Like we said before they're bought into a system and they think this is okay

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And I think that happens to a lot of people

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you know

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That do this kind of thing like whether it's like dark old Jovanovic the guy that conned me

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or

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corporations or you know

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Media and so forth because they think they justified in their own mind

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And I think for me at least it showed me

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How much of this is out there? It's like everywhere you turn

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You know, you're you're being bombarded. You're being gaslighted. You know, I mean like hey

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I don't know if I can say vaccine, but hey, you know

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Okay, so

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jab or whatever

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Okay, the JB dab whatever but even there like

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You know your perception of reality is being formulated and how they do that do it by

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What the police do and what the superiors do and even Darko did to me. I should say

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They use fear and they use all this pressure and they you know

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And you're not going to be part of society and you're not going to be able to work and all these things

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to get their way and then eventually eventually people just succumb to it submit to it some people don't and

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but you know, I you know, I don't get too often a tangent but even

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Even the alternative media like a lot of them are as you can probably say

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Better than I can are

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Equally is guilty of that. You know, I mean like hey, I love myself some some alex jones

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But alex jones like I'll tell you he's got his agenda

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And he's screaming at you and he's telling you the the sky has fallen and you got to do this and you got to do that

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Not to say that, you know, he's doesn't have a lot of good things to report on

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but you know

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They're leading you down a path like you can give people 80% truth and 20% can be lies

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And deceit and they're going to still lead you down the path

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They want you to go and you know, I don't I guess this this podcast isn't about that

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But it kind of is me it is

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I did a whole series on the archetypes of controlled op

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So that people could learn the patterns of that not me just calling this one out and that one out

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But yeah, that's that's a really big part of it

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I wanted to point out and then I'm going to go to the chat because there's some good stuff in there too

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Just that people do think it's okay

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Even when they're in the midst of cooperating with the corruption that's

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Like you said, it's not just systemic. It's cultural

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Right, so we'll see this pattern in a lot of different areas of of life

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especially ones that are an authority to us

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and people generally like I think in my study of of the human

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condition and behavior

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reveals that

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people don't do wrongs

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knowingly or with you know with a clear intent that that that would be relegated to the psychopaths

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Of of our culture which there are but it's not the whole of and and psychopaths can't really run the show

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they need everybody else that's

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One layer or two layers or five layers or how many layers down in the in the unconscious

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And that's exactly what you're dealing with when you try it when anybody

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That's awake to something tries to come forward

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They're dealing with a bunch of people who have their consciousness completely suppressed

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Which allows them to do wrongs

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If they let it come to the forward then they'd go like oh, that's painful

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I might have to question my morals or my ethics and or make a change or have remorse

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So yeah, they they actually do think it's okay

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So that was a really long way to just agree with what you're saying there

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And if you don't mind I'll just go back to the chat before we get into the the story that you came here to tell

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I'm sorry. It's been so long to get there

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Maybe we'll have to do two parts on this if you're if you're game for it, but um

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First of all, thank you Maya for pointing out that I had a wrong link in my blog darn it

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It is changed now. So if anybody was confused by that

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Please do let me know

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Jackie said back in the day police were referred to as pigs. I know well, that's exactly that was that was the culture indoctrination

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cultural indoctrination I was under

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And she never subscribed to that

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Yeah, that's what we call them the pigs. It was like it not not very pleasant at all feel free to jump in at any point here

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uh, hello glenda and

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Genevieve said the hardest receptions you ever took part as a restaurateur was the private police parties

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Absolutely terrifying how they acted their manner was treating staff drunk drivers, etc. Etc. Yeah

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Um, and you also have had amazing experiences with good officers as well

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Now I'm a little sad to hear that they don't make it pass certain places

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because uh, you know

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I do know intuitively that there are police officers out there who

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they don't get off on

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causing you trouble on causing you a delay and causing you an expense or the stress

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That comes of even just a simple pullover on the road

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But there do you think do you think it gets that extreme where they they get?

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um pleasure out of it

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Yeah for some people for sure and I think that's maybe a part of it's a coping mechanism

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Because like I said before they're they're trying to divide the police like use an officer against

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Society a civilian right like they even say, oh, they're civilian

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You know we're police whatever

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So there's a divide there and I think they use that to their advantage

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Uh culturally and the thing is it's the same probably with you know doctors and same with lawyers and so forth, right?

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but there is and

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What is that accomplish the divide?

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The divide accomplishes like more enforcement if you ask me

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Accomplishes, you know, they get their way, you know and

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Even when you move up the ranks like, you know, it's not like they have numbers that they have to

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You know submit to the police services board in order to keep their position or move up a position

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for instance like

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I remember when I worked as a crime analyst

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One of the biggest things that the the CID officers the

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Detectives had to do was clearance, right?

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So you arrest a guy for a break and enter and then you want to clear

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A million you know not a million but like a lot of break enters to that guy

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Even if he didn't do it you're going to clear them because when it comes up on the stats

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It comes up as hey, you know, these were solved by this arrest even though he was in charge for it

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they were still solved

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And you know, there was an article I think in the paper

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About a sexual assault issue and how they were doing the clearings for certain sexual assaults and so forth

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And then another an officer that I know was ordered to change those clearings and kind of lie on the report about how they were clear

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so like

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You know, it's not just at the constable level

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Like you're constantly trying to and you're trying to do bigger and bigger things

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Make a bigger bigger name for yourself

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In order to kind of get promoted

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Because when you go into those interviews, they're going to ask you what you do like, hey, you know

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Show me a time when because I used to work recruiting. So they're kind of relatable the interview questions like show me a time when you

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Uh disciplined an officer or you know, that's why a lot of these guys

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People I should say go to you know internal affairs and internal affairs is a farce too like

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You know a dear dear friend of mine

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And again, there's so much information. I I may get kind of sidetracked. So just please reel me back in but

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Like a dear dear friend of mine was investigated for something and he eventually

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It took his own life and this guy's like a brother to me

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We we went to school together to play football together

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I'm godfather to his son

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And they treated him so badly that uh, he went off on ptsd and even when he was off on ptsd

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They still treated him badly still try to you know rub his nose into and eventually

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It was no not completely the whole reason but you know part of the reason why why he's no longer with us

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And you know, they don't care really they don't they don't you know, he's leaving a wife and two

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two boys

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And you know, they just move on sure they come up with this like oh, we're gonna you know come up with this like, uh

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Psychological program we're gonna support people with mental health. You know, it's just words. It's just it's the same as um

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Community policing, you know like for me

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When you're at police college and you get indoctrinated at police college

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They kind of teach you you know the teamwork and cover for each other and stuff there

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But a lot of it is like hey community policing

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They want you out there

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Within the community within the area that you're policing

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Your face out there you get to know the people no they don't

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They have a community policing department

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That you know is a few people that go out to schools and so forth

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But they don't you want you as an officer to do that. They want you to go call to call

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like I said stats

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What makes me look good meaning the uh, your staff surgeon or inspector of

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Uniform or or cid wherever wherever you're working and it just

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I understand like I'm not trying to say hey, you know

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This is not the way the world works

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But you know when you start breaking it down, I don't want to get too religious here

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But when you start breaking it down you kind of see that it's it's kind of a spiritual battle battle

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And I don't see that lightly

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No, that's exactly it. In fact, I just as I'm making notes

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I I just wrote down the power of the human spirit

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Which is being proven by the likes of yourself and others that do

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Navigate in an equitable way

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And understanding. Oh, they're not really harming anyone. Yeah, they ran a red or whatever

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kind of infraction

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Uh, so that they're the fact that there are still good people out there

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In in law enforcement proves the power of the human spirit because they're not being rewarded any other way

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for that

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And the pressure is insurmountable sometimes like the pressure they put on you as an officer to perform right like in and

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You know and you and it's a stressful enough job as it is

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And that's why people turn to alcohol and that's why people, you know go and do those things and

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Because you're dealing with like life and death situations, you know, like

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you know, like

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I'll tell you one of the scariest things I ever had to deal with on a repeated basis wasn't like chasing some guy down

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It was like when you show up to a baby not breathing

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And the mother hands you over her child and says, you know

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I can kind of emotional here, but

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It says, you know help me like save my save my kid, you know, that's

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No, that's that's what you're there for really but anyway

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Yeah, I should brought some fishies or something

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But anyway, I don't normally cry and this is this is kind of bringing up some some deep harbored

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emotions, I guess but anyway

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Yeah, it's not to be underestimated

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I have a girlfriend who is a first responder ex first responder retired, I guess

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In this case and uh, she went through incredible trauma. So I can only imagine

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what you've seen and been through

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And if you need any assistance, this is a good

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely

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um

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So yeah, feel free just take your take your time

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Jackie was just saying in the chat that she heard many police are leaving in droves

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in

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In britain at least do you think that's the case that's that police are being driven out or does it really not even matter because there's always some

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New person that wants the approval and will do what it takes

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um

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I do think it does matter like when you have officers leaving and you know

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They tell you the truth when I was uh calm by dark

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Oh, that was one of the things I was doing I was trying I had my exit exit strategy. I should say

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And you know, I wanted to kind of like get totally out of policing

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I was just fed up with it like my friends being treated certain ways that

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And oh what they were doing to the public and so the all the lies and what we just kind of discussed

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so I actually you know signed up for um

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A lot my law degree through the university of london in england

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And so I started that did my first year because I wanted to get into mediation

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Um, because I was like, hey, you know what why don't I use some of the skill set that I have?

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I think I have and get into mediation

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So a good entry point to that is get a law degree and I could do this online, right? So

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And um, so I had this exit strategy. I was like, I can't do

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Like 30 years here. It's gonna like totally

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You know

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You know kill my soul

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You know, I mean, so I need to do something that I think that you know is giving back to the community

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something that you know kind of

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Enlivens me not not like just and and at the time I was a auditor so

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I was auditing reports and

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And it was the worst job you can you can get and you know, there's a reason why they probably put me there, but anyway

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Right. Yeah, good to know. Um, so we're gonna get deep into this story that

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Of the events that you've been through. I just wanted to ask is this the first time that you've told it in public

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To this extent. Yeah, and it's it's kind of like

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You know, I don't really know what to expect and like I'm not a guy who's a big public speaker

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So everyone, please forgive me if I'm if I'm not as rehearsed as other people that you're used to

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You're doing great. And there's yeah, this is not a performance. So again, it's it's a real conversation

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To reveal and and show us through your eyes to me

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That's like the biggest privilege ever of being a podcaster and interviewer that I get to see through

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People's eyes that otherwise I would never be able to understand or even approach

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understanding their experience

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And what what made you choose this podcast? What made you reach out to me? I'm just curious

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Well, because like I did follow you quite a bit, especially during the jibby jab or whatever we can say about that

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And you know the trucker convoy and so forth. Can I say that? I don't know. Yeah

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And um, and you know, I respect you a lot because you're looking for truth and you're you're providing people a source of that

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And not in a conspiratorial way, but in a way that you know people can relate to and

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can understand and

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Like I just have a lot of respect for you

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That's why I kind of said like if I want to talk to somebody about this if you know

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I wasn't even sure if you're going to be interested but you know

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That's where I kind of want to start with somebody that does have a search for truth and a hunger for for that and

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To share that with people and and you know, we need more people like that for sure

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That's awesome. Thank you very much. I appreciate that and uh, yeah, it's made me actually really unpopular

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I now consider myself an outlier among outliers

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I can see that

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Yeah, I naively thought everybody just wanted the real truth

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But they want the truth that oh this truth suits me and I'm

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Belonging in this club now and uh, yeah, there's a lot of clubs. I was on the outside of and now I'm not

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I'm not even on the outside anymore

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I don't belong and and it's okay. God takes care of me. Everything seems to be working out

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So well and that's to our point I guess here because the thing isn't even those alternative media sources and you know

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Outlets whatever and podcasts

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There's a line like they still want to make money and they still want to be like heard by the you know by the masses

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And and there's only so much that the masses can can take right so and either consciously or subconsciously

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They're doing that and they're pushing you away because you're like, hey, you're not playing ball

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It's the same idea with policing or any other thing. Hey, you're not one of us

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You know, we don't want anything to do with you

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And

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So you got it. That's why I even have more respect for you bet. Oh, well, thank you

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I appreciate it. I wasn't looking for compliments. I was just so curious what uh

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how we how we met and uh

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Yeah, it's interesting Maya's asking about have you studied the history of law

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we actually have in our house of free will a law guild

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And we're studying exactly that the hidden history of law that's actually not hidden at all

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If you look at it, but it's hidden from the truth movements or you know, they don't want to look at it

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Is that of interest to you 100%? That's uh, something that's really really a big interest to mine like cal washington

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love his work

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All the people that you try to come forward and and I think everyone's got a piece of that truth

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and when I when I mentioned mentioned cal is because

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He does I do like the fact that he does tie in the spiritual aspect of it in the sense that hey

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you know, this is a spiritual kind of like

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uh

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You know journey and not only that but like even the law is based

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on you know, the spiritual confrontation between good and evil kind of thing and

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I'll say there's there's a hundred percent truth to that in my opinion like from what I see

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um

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and

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I'm going to be honest with you like as a

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police officer like some people have this idea that

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You know part of your indoctrination as a police officer constable

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You know the the hidden history of of law and you know now you're you know, totally programmed and you're going to go out there like a robot

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It's it's not because the thing is they're just teaching you what's you know

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Societal norm, right? They want to teach you. Hey, this is the way it is

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This is you know, you're kind of conforming, you know, I mean conspiracy of ignorance. I'm ignorant to the truth

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I'm just you know, this is the way it is. This is the way I think you know policing is

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um

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But based on my experience 100% like I think there's a lot to that and that's part of the gaslighting like you have

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You know, if I really think about it, it's like this

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um

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The justice system isn't for us. It wasn't built for us the government the way it is now isn't built for us

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It's built by the people that control it and the people that control it uses

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Use for their benefit not for ours and same with the justice system as I found out when I was going through

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My ordeal I thought even in at that time after I was charged or whatever

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That truth would come to light and that you know, there'd be an opportunity for that

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Even though I knew, you know

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The hidden history of law which gets really complicated. It's kind of even more complicated and I understand even I understand like a little tiny bit of

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legalese

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That can get really because there's so many different kind of factions to it like everyone thinks they're right

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I love to get everybody into a room together

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And kind of hash it out

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And then you know move forward as a society, but anyway, yeah, and exactly I'm sure you agree with me yet

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so

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I do and and yet I'm also in the process through through some new

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Hidden history coming forward. Thanks to a member of the house of free will that uh, I'm I'm trying to be less

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What's the word?

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Have less animosity to it and and also to see how the development of law

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Is equally about the evolution of culture

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As it is about controlling people now

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I know

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Things have gone sideways and there is more at stake now for just like crushing the people

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And putting them down and especially in canada moving towards a tyrannical, you know, kind of venezuela

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Government I was reading somebody's post that's from venezuela yesterday and I'm going like wow. This is kind of rolling out here in the same

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possible way

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And uh, I just have to say somebody, you know, I apologize, but um cal washington is not right on in his assessment of the law

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He tells a good story. He has a beautiful

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He it might be a beautiful man, although I caught him in some corruption

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Internally as well. So I I'm sorry for saying that I just have to for the record know that

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Oh, no, I

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I don't take any offense to that because the thing is it's not like

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I there's different aspects of everyone occurred a stone

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I've reviewed some of his stuff as well. Great guy, like, you know, great information

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I I'm not I'm not taking cal side

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And like I said, I'd like to get everyone into a room to really kind of talk about it

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And kind of hash it out because everyone thinks they're right

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But if you're 10% wrong

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You're going down the wrong path 100% as you can and I don't it didn't mean to interrupt you there

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But I'm not I don't take any offense. You tell me, you know, okay

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I'm not here to you know, impose my will and you know, whatever I say is law. It's not trust me

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Yeah, I want to learn here as much as as provides me with insight

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No worries. I just it's just for the it's just for the record because uh, I sit here and nod my head and I can't

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I can't just uh, endorse things that have already been debunked

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um

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so

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Shall we get into the story you've mentioned darko's name a few times you talked about maybe we'll start with that

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that quote that

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Why do

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Why do uh, let's see

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What do you mean by what you say or what do you mean when you say that context matters because cons don't start with lies

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They start with truths. Is that the same thing in with the 80 percent

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Truth and the 20 percent sideways

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Yeah, I think so. I think it's like that's the way, you know, um

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We're manipulated people are manipulated constantly whether it's a darko whether it's uh, like I said the media whether it's anybody that wants to get their way

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you know, uh, we're constantly being

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religion, you know, I mean like

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They'll give you a little bit of truth and then you know, they'll do their own spin on it either consciously or subconsciously

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intentionally or unintentionally

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Because they think they're right or they think they're doing the right thing

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And and you know the things the tactics that psychopaths use and I'm no expert in this but it's the same

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You know, the danger of a psychopath though

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Is that he will tailor his

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His approach specifically for you, you know, because and with darko

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His past was it was a long con like even when he was a Windsor pretending to be a doctor. It was a long thing

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you know, I mean and

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The issues with with the psychopaths from what I've learned is, you know, you really can't

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Rehabilitate them like there's a doctor. I think his name is Robert Hare. He wrote what a book called without conscience and he did extensive

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Research and study into psycho and psychopathy

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And he was conned as well and he wrote the book on it

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so to speak and

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because

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They study you I mean and it's no different than media and no different than the government when they're imposing their will

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And they'll study you and they'll test you and then they'll see what works and what doesn't work

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And then they'll mirror back to you your

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um

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Your um, what am I trying to say here? Um like insecurities or yeah, or even your strengths like, you know

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You think people think you know when they get conned and it is a little bit of a weakness

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It's a weakness obviously because the thing is you think you're they're gonna mirror back your strengths

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They're gonna say that you're special. They're gonna say that. Hey, I've never met anyone like you and then

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The key with darko though is that it was him and his mother and a whole cast of characters that came forward to do this

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and

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And that's you know, that's part of like why kind of maybe fellow

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If it was just him telling me some stories and him trying to convince me

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I would have been like, okay. Well, you know, just a guy

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Uh, he's trying to you know manipulate but when he has his mother on the side and his mother is

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You know confirming his I guess he learned from the mother how to how to do this but

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and

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But getting back to robert here is that he

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These people have no conscience. So the thing is we want to reflect, you know

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You know, we think everyone thinks like us. We think, hey, this person has morals this person and he and

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Psychopaths will mirror that back to you

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You know, but all they're doing is that's just a fake, you know, it's just them saying, okay

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Well, this is what I do to get my way. This is what I do to manipulate people is by saying, yeah

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Hey, I have a conscience. You're like darko was telling me he would give like hundreds of thousands of dollars away because he presented himself as this

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engineer

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famous engineer or whatever and

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You know, and then it would be supported by

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His mother be supported by these other cast of characters within the fraud

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And then you're like, okay. Well, you know, hey, this guy's like

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He's like gondi. He's like, you know, he's given away his his livelihood just to help somebody

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And this could be the furthest thing from the truth and they also use like

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You know, only you can help only you can do this

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and you know tactics like

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um, a lot of fear, you know fear like for me

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You know, I love my friends and family, you know, of friends that are like my family

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um

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and I hold these people really close to my heart and so he

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Probably read that and had to find a way into there

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so like, you know

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He brought his mother over to meet me and at that point, you know, his mother was really like, oh, you know

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You remind me of my son that passed away in israel. They said they were Israeli. I don't know where they're from

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nobody really knows where this guy's from

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and

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slowly they bring into the family slowly they kind of like and you think, you know

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You're dealing with somebody with the same kind of outlook as you do

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But it's the furthest one the truth and you know, I think it's the same with a lot of corporate america

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Like, you know, hey, you got guys up there running the show

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Talk about big pharma

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They don't care. They don't care whether people live or die. It's all about money profit

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You know justification. I don't know. Can I say that on the podcast? Is that okay?

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So first again, yeah, okay, so and um

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Yeah, and you know, so there's a lot of people like darko not only in the police department in the higher ranks some of them

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Maybe not to that extent because I think, you know, darko himself had a lot of like

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Insecurities he had a lot of like demons, you know, a lot of trauma in his life

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not to kind of make an excuse for the guy but

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um

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because

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Sorry

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Oh, it starts somewhere right like that's that's how people can become psychopathic is bywithstanding huge damage themselves

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Yeah, and you know, if I take a step back from my emotional attachment to it

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I take a step back and say, okay. Hey, you know part of me

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Wants this guy to burn in hell and he probably will I don't know

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um

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But I used to work with young offenders and understand that I dealt with a lot of like

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psychopaths and sociopaths and very traumatized kids there

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And behind every kid behind every psychopath, there's probably some massive trauma. Maybe not and all of them. I like I said, I'm not a

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a doctor

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I'm just making this stuff up but

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based on my experience

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and

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you know

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It's it's similar like I kind of lost my train of thought there

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So I don't know if you can kind of reel me back

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Is there anything you want to ask me about that?

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Sure. Well, just even to just chime in about uh, how psychopaths

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tailor to you and

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I actually had one student. I don't I don't want to overstate it

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but but in the end had had been doing psychopathic things and you know behind the scenes and manipulating and

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stealing even and

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It almost never happens

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but it was one of those rare circumstances and they actually made it through my coaching training by

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memorizing

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and mimicking

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So it was like literally copying the process so much so that I certified them

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I was completely fooled by it and taken in until at the very end

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A lot of stuff started to come and come out and I confronted them

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Of course, they turned around and tried to cream me in in public to my people and I just

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Um, ruin my reputation as if they threatened to sue me. Unfortunately, there was zero cause of action

59:21.260 --> 59:22.060
going on there

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But uh, but yeah, it was they literally it shocked me how they could memorize pauses and certain inflections

59:29.740 --> 59:34.760
That I would use and and then you know when I see it. I think that's cool. So

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That that's a perfect example. Actually that is that explains it right there

59:39.160 --> 59:42.520
That's what they're able to do and and darko had this like

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Photographic memory, you know, I mean like he could memorize stuff and you know, regurgitate conversations and put his own twist on it

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To make you think like, you know, maybe that didn't happen

59:53.360 --> 59:59.180
Um, but yeah, that that is exact. That's an excellent way to kind of frame that for sure

59:59.780 --> 01:00:04.940
Thank you. One one more thing is that the trauma seems to come with compensatory gifts

01:00:05.740 --> 01:00:09.320
And you don't actually get those gifts if you don't heal

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.800
But you have that, uh, you know magic power

01:00:13.580 --> 01:00:16.820
of memorization of photographic memory of

01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:21.240
You know reading someone really deeply it's probably all related to a very

01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:28.820
Uh hyper vigilant nervous system for example being able to take in more data because your survival probably depended on it at some point

01:00:29.600 --> 01:00:35.840
So yeah, it's uh, it's a crazy one the genius is I got I got pulled in by another psychopath

01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:42.000
It took me weeks to figure it out. They came to me saying oh beth you're the one you can help me

01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.660
I've been through all this terrible stuff

01:00:43.660 --> 01:00:49.360
That's that was what my weakness, which I shouldn't claim in public, but that

01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.840
You know, if somebody wants help then I want to help them

01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.740
And if they look helpable, but at the end of the day, there was absolutely no

01:00:57.740 --> 01:01:03.020
Getting to it. It turned into a grift. He was trying to get money from me. He tried to frame me

01:01:03.020 --> 01:01:07.200
Uh, you know, the relationship had become personal

01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:12.260
So he threatened that that he was going to tell people and I and I actually went to the streets and said

01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:15.780
Hey, guess what? I guess the mistake big mistake that I just made

01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.180
I told people I told him I was telling people that he held nothing over me

01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:23.960
And uh disappeared luckily, but wow

01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.240
Yeah, so somebody in the chat is asking who's darko

01:01:27.240 --> 01:01:30.760
And I think maybe it's time to go back to the beginning of your story

01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:34.640
Maybe when you met him, what was the situation and what what happened?

01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:36.140
For sure

01:01:36.140 --> 01:01:40.400
I just want to add one thing to what you were saying because like even with darko and we'll get to

01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.620
Who he was and how that happened the second year, but

01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:48.820
It's it's funny because like it's not about the money's about with them all the time

01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:50.740
It's about control and power

01:01:50.740 --> 01:01:54.440
And that's why I mean like a lot of these people who you know

01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.700
Run the show the government blah blah blah

01:01:57.700 --> 01:02:04.700
It's about control and power and they they can emulate and they can mirror back to you all these things that you think

01:02:04.700 --> 01:02:09.640
Hey, they're just like me, but they're not you know, I mean like they have a different

01:02:10.640 --> 01:02:12.220
intention behind that but anyway

01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:14.960
Darko so what happened with me?

01:02:15.860 --> 01:02:16.300
was

01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:17.780
um

01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.760
I met darko he in 2015. I was selling my vehicle

01:02:23.740 --> 01:02:30.140
And he came over and he brought a bottle of wine and he said he was Israeli and he came over in a nice car

01:02:30.140 --> 01:02:31.820
I said he wanted to buy a car for a son

01:02:33.100 --> 01:02:34.300
and at that time

01:02:35.160 --> 01:02:38.480
Again, I was going through a lot of issues in regards to

01:02:39.100 --> 01:02:45.440
Why I wanted to be a police officer was you know, I think I've I finished my first year of law

01:02:46.240 --> 01:02:48.300
and had my exit strategy

01:02:49.260 --> 01:02:53.640
And my mom at the time was going through a very serious medical issue

01:02:56.140 --> 01:02:56.660
And

01:02:57.260 --> 01:03:03.200
So I eventually went off on stress leave the taker to Toronto, which is a couple hours from where I lived in

01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:08.100
London and to get her treatment. We did hyperbarics. We saw this qigong

01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.480
acupuncturist who was amazing. He passed away now doctor chow

01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.700
And just to get her better because the doctors weren't doing anything and this was this

01:03:18.340 --> 01:03:23.360
Non-healing wound on her leg that was pretty much just taking up like eating up her whole leg

01:03:23.860 --> 01:03:26.420
And she you know, they weren't giving her pain medication

01:03:26.420 --> 01:03:30.140
Not like she wanted it but and she was just screaming and pain all the time

01:03:30.140 --> 01:03:35.120
And she so I finally just grabbed her and said we're going to Toronto. So I met Darko at this time then

01:03:36.460 --> 01:03:42.320
Much like your stories, um, he kind of inserted his his uh himself in my life

01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:46.860
You know, first of all, he you know, did me some favors. He knew I was under a lot of stress

01:03:47.980 --> 01:03:48.420
and

01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:51.880
Which made me susceptible. Sorry

01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:53.760
to um

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.040
To be an influence and manipulated by him obviously because when you're under that kind of stress

01:03:58.040 --> 01:04:03.020
And you're focused on that and it was one of the most stressful things I had to deal with because

01:04:03.020 --> 01:04:06.460
We had a finite place to live for like we were there for four months

01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:14.440
And you know, you're taking her like i'm cooking very bad food because i'm a bad cook and um, i'm caring for her wound

01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:15.420
I'm taking her to

01:04:16.040 --> 01:04:19.960
Uh three different appointments the hyperbarics and it's just you know

01:04:21.220 --> 01:04:23.760
She's always in pain and screaming and

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.020
So anyway, um, so he started

01:04:27.580 --> 01:04:34.460
Oh, go ahead. Sorry you went through that. Oh, thank you. Um, my mom's past now. So she no longer suffers but

01:04:34.460 --> 01:04:37.580
But yeah, I appreciate that. She was she was one

01:04:37.580 --> 01:04:40.180
Uh, she was a great lady like she was

01:04:40.700 --> 01:04:47.300
All my friends called her ma because she was just motherly to everybody and she was uh fantastic. So i'm doing anything for

01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:48.280
um

01:04:49.220 --> 01:04:50.320
So anyway, like

01:04:51.020 --> 01:04:54.780
You know, it starts off as you probably know, you know, they they try to

01:04:55.420 --> 01:05:00.200
You know, he started doing a couple little favors for me. Like I was in toronto

01:05:00.700 --> 01:05:05.220
I needed a doctor's note. I was there from like monday to friday. We don't want to come home on the weekend

01:05:05.220 --> 01:05:10.320
So he had a jewish friend who was a doctor because he said he was israeli and jewish

01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:16.440
And so i'm gonna saw this guy and then he wrote me a note to tide me over until i can see my own doctor

01:05:17.300 --> 01:05:17.980
and then

01:05:19.060 --> 01:05:20.340
um at the time

01:05:21.060 --> 01:05:24.000
There was a defamatory post on the internet about me

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:28.820
I did this girl and her ex a husband got jealous and you know

01:05:28.820 --> 01:05:34.140
Put something up on the internet and I couldn't take it down. I had to I tried to hire a lawyer

01:05:35.240 --> 01:05:38.260
Um, couldn't get it taken down. Um

01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:42.100
You know went to the website, you know, they didn't respond

01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:44.480
so, um

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.340
he

01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:46.660
present himself

01:05:47.240 --> 01:05:48.860
as being uh

01:05:48.860 --> 01:05:53.060
ex-military ex-intelligence massage or whatever you want to say

01:05:54.100 --> 01:05:58.360
Eventually he said this and his mother also said this and

01:05:59.260 --> 01:06:03.120
So he said well, look, I've got a friend who's still, you know

01:06:03.740 --> 01:06:07.540
Involved he can get probably get that taken down no problem and you got it taken down

01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.840
um

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:14.720
And then you know, he as you learn more about me he learned that

01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:21.060
Hey, um, I had big issues with the police department. I didn't like what they were doing

01:06:21.680 --> 01:06:24.660
Um, I didn't want to be there. I had my exit strategy

01:06:25.240 --> 01:06:25.800
so

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.940
He took advantage of

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:35.080
What the things that I thought were my strengths and you know, like, you know family and in france and moral integrity

01:06:35.080 --> 01:06:36.900
moral integrity and

01:06:37.300 --> 01:06:38.640
you know, uh

01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:43.280
My frustration with the justice system and then I was there actually I wanted to make a difference and not

01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:45.280
Be part of the problem

01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:46.440
and

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.400
So he saw that and then he saw that as an opportunity

01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:51.040
to

01:06:51.940 --> 01:06:53.360
create a bigger story

01:06:54.540 --> 01:06:56.100
And so what happened was

01:06:56.780 --> 01:06:59.160
And there's a lot of components to the story and

01:06:59.160 --> 01:07:05.440
I'm not going to be able to cover everything because the fraud is just so vast and it went on for like a year a year and a half

01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:08.460
But anyway, he he

01:07:09.020 --> 01:07:11.660
One of the first things he did was he got this

01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:19.660
Lawyer from toronto juliana greenspan. Her dad was uh, I think his name was eddie greenspan, right famous lawyer

01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:21.140
most of your

01:07:22.240 --> 01:07:24.120
People wouldn't understand who he is

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:26.000
And

01:07:26.600 --> 01:07:28.540
So he said that she was a friend the family

01:07:28.540 --> 01:07:32.360
So then there's a i'm in toronto at the time dealing with my mom

01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:35.540
But I give this phone call from darko and I didn't know him as darko

01:07:35.540 --> 01:07:40.400
I knew him as erin erin barack not darko gervanovich darko's his real name

01:07:41.660 --> 01:07:46.580
So erin calls me or darko calls me and says look i've got someone on the phone. It was juliana

01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:49.840
He's like, oh well, we've got that post taken down

01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.180
But you know, you should sue this guy for defamation

01:07:52.180 --> 01:07:54.000
You know, you shouldn't get away with that

01:07:54.540 --> 01:07:57.900
And i'm like, okay. Well, and she said oh, it's really easy, you know

01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:02.740
Like she kind of said she'd take on the case that she wanted me to email her some information

01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:04.500
So i'm like no problem

01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:09.400
I said on the weekend when I get home i'll email it to you so I didn't write down her email

01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:10.340
I went to her website

01:08:10.980 --> 01:08:13.540
And I saw her email and I emailed her directly

01:08:14.660 --> 01:08:18.440
And she got back to me saying she'll review the information and go from there

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:23.740
And then I hear back from her maybe like a month or so later two months later

01:08:24.540 --> 01:08:28.860
And she texts me and she says look i'm going to do this as a favor to

01:08:28.860 --> 01:08:34.140
For you because you're friends with erin and his mother and the father and

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:35.880
all sorts of stuff

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.600
And so i'm going to text you

01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.260
I don't you know, I don't you know, we're going to

01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.360
Call and text rather than you come in and see me or whatever

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.760
I couldn't see her anyway because I was just too busy

01:08:50.240 --> 01:08:51.160
so, um

01:08:51.740 --> 01:08:57.060
What happened there, I think was that he was pretending to be her to me obviously what she was and then

01:08:57.060 --> 01:08:59.720
At some point he pretended to be me to her

01:09:00.240 --> 01:09:00.700
um

01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:07.980
And you know because you know, there's some questions there because at one point she said she got me the settlement

01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:10.740
and um, I remember

01:09:11.280 --> 01:09:16.920
You know, I was very grateful and she wasn't taking any money. So I sent her this very expensive. Um

01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.120
Uh gift certificate to the spa. I think was the Ritz Carlton at the time

01:09:21.660 --> 01:09:22.320
and it's like

01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:28.820
$1,800 and uh because 18s obviously a special number in Judaism, whatever

01:09:29.400 --> 01:09:34.660
So and I and I sent it to her office because I didn't have her her house address

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.940
So it was already gone. It was already there. I remember telling darko about this

01:09:39.940 --> 01:09:47.100
My my spoke to him and like he just lost his biscuit like he just was like, oh, you can't do that because

01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:52.380
You know, she's got partners and they're going to ask why why she's getting it didn't make any sense

01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:57.340
But the time though because i'm trying to you know respect her because she did me this huge favor

01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.380
You know, I'm I'm you know, like again, it's the first time I was really like, oh my god

01:10:01.380 --> 01:10:05.540
What do I do? I kind of messed this whole up this whole this thing whole this this thing all up, right? So

01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:06.920
um

01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:08.360
so

01:10:10.460 --> 01:10:16.260
At that point he started to present himself as being um

01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:20.720
Part of the community is really community and he knew a lot actually about

01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:21.960
um

01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:23.700
the corruption within the department

01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:29.060
And not the stuff we're talking about like the surface level stuff

01:10:29.820 --> 01:10:31.760
I'll take a step back for a second

01:10:32.440 --> 01:10:34.740
When I was in the crime analyst office

01:10:35.320 --> 01:10:40.660
We used to go to intel meetings intelligence meetings and we had um

01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:46.120
Like this informal meeting between us the three analysts

01:10:46.900 --> 01:10:50.780
And the opp so we'd get together with them every friday for coffee

01:10:51.460 --> 01:10:53.920
And the opp intel guys would say, you know

01:10:54.720 --> 01:11:01.520
You know, we've got information that there's some senior officers that are involved in like uh drugs and so forth

01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:11.600
And you know, there's um senior officers. They're kind of trying to kibosh some of our investigations. There was one gentleman

01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:19.500
Who I heard from other sources had ties to hamas and so forth and

01:11:20.340 --> 01:11:21.380
he was uh

01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:29.660
Largely involved in the criminal underworld and you know, the opp said that they were trying to get um

01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:34.880
Uh permission to go into london and do a probe on this guy

01:11:35.320 --> 01:11:41.180
But because it's in london they have to get permission from the inspector or the superintendent from cid

01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:44.440
And they were always turned down

01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:50.340
And so there's a lot of questions there like this is not stuff that that i'm making up

01:11:50.340 --> 01:11:54.700
This is not stuff. This is stuff that coming from who I thought was my friend

01:11:55.240 --> 01:11:57.720
within the opp and um

01:11:59.220 --> 01:11:59.740
So

01:12:01.020 --> 01:12:03.400
darko knew some of this stuff and

01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:07.400
You know, eventually as the story kind of moves forward

01:12:08.120 --> 01:12:11.180
He had befriended other police officers and called them as well

01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:13.420
And that never came out in the case

01:12:14.020 --> 01:12:17.220
And to the point where when he was charged in winsor

01:12:18.040 --> 01:12:18.520
um

01:12:19.180 --> 01:12:25.880
One of the officers one of his buddies from the opp gave him the stetson hat because they had I think transitioned from the stetson back to

01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:26.820
The ball cap or something

01:12:27.340 --> 01:12:34.300
And when darko was charged and arrested they found the stetson hat and this guy got in trouble for giving the stetson hat too darko

01:12:34.300 --> 01:12:36.640
And I think those guys knew him as a dentist

01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:42.380
So he obviously was very good at kind of getting information and he wasn't

01:12:42.940 --> 01:12:44.620
I gotta be honest with you like for me

01:12:45.700 --> 01:12:49.580
At first I never thought darko would like anybody would try to

01:12:50.460 --> 01:12:50.980
defraud a

01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:53.720
police officer in this manner, you know, I mean like

01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:59.020
It was the last thing I would have thought about, you know, I mean because like you know, i'm a police officer

01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:05.300
You know, I have all these resources and you're trying to tell me that you're trying to defraud me and you know

01:13:05.300 --> 01:13:07.900
But a lot of the things like I said, um

01:13:08.460 --> 01:13:13.600
Before like they were based on truth a lot of it was based on a lot of truth

01:13:14.180 --> 01:13:15.860
And then he elaborated

01:13:16.440 --> 01:13:19.120
that truth and he kind of you know

01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:21.540
blew it up to something that was like

01:13:22.060 --> 01:13:26.400
Maybe a little bit unbelievable but the time because of the stress and so forth

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:27.360
um

01:13:27.900 --> 01:13:29.280
I kind of bought into it

01:13:30.040 --> 01:13:30.520
and

01:13:31.220 --> 01:13:37.160
It was all around trying to expose the corruption within the linden police department because he knew that was a big thing for me

01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:38.700
and

01:13:39.260 --> 01:13:39.700
you know

01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:42.900
What he did and how he did it was, you know, like he

01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:46.060
he first first of all, you know

01:13:46.980 --> 01:13:52.940
I used to work like as crime ants like I said, so at one point I had a top secret clearance with the rcmp

01:13:54.160 --> 01:13:59.620
So, you know, I was used to not, you know, having like being able to talk about things with the rcmp

01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:05.840
their anti-terrorism unit but not being able to share that with my superior because he didn't have the same clearance

01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.180
when the sergeants whatever

01:14:08.140 --> 01:14:08.620
so

01:14:09.820 --> 01:14:15.000
I think he like, you know, obviously he read me like a book and I've got to admit that and

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.080
you know

01:14:16.780 --> 01:14:19.780
How the the fraud kind of goes on and goes forward

01:14:19.780 --> 01:14:24.880
Like I said, it's it's a really vast and like there's a lot of little intricate details

01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.260
But I don't want to get too bogged down with that kind of stuff

01:14:28.260 --> 01:14:28.520
but

01:14:29.220 --> 01:14:35.020
Is that he knew that it was frustrated and he knew that this was a big bonus contention for me

01:14:35.020 --> 01:14:39.800
And that's why I was leaving policing. So he just used that and then, you know

01:14:40.580 --> 01:14:44.060
Juliana would call me his mom would call me or text me

01:14:44.060 --> 01:14:49.100
Juliana texted me more than she ever called whoever she would whoever he was getting to play Juliana

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:50.920
and um

01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.940
So she would text me and tell me about how darko

01:14:54.940 --> 01:14:58.200
Was a selfless person who'd give away his fortune

01:14:58.860 --> 01:15:02.300
And at the time he was going through a divorce and she was going to represent him

01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.320
Uh in family law because his wife was trying to

01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:10.180
To take all his money and that you know, he was approached by

01:15:10.860 --> 01:15:13.120
At one point he was approached by

01:15:14.360 --> 01:15:15.540
One of the

01:15:16.300 --> 01:15:17.260
criminal underworld

01:15:18.740 --> 01:15:22.560
Heads this guy who was another Israeli that knew the family

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:25.300
And he said, uh

01:15:25.300 --> 01:15:30.120
You know, they want me to because he was an engineer. They wanted him to design

01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:31.800
certain compartments

01:15:32.340 --> 01:15:37.340
Uh for drugs so they can bring drugs across the border and so forth and you know dealing with juliana

01:15:37.340 --> 01:15:44.020
You know, she would support this information saying that you know, we need darko as this witness and they're targeting him at one point

01:15:44.660 --> 01:15:45.180
um

01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:47.080
he said that um

01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:51.000
One of the inspectors went over on behalf of one of these

01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:51.860
criminal

01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:53.320
kingpins

01:15:53.940 --> 01:15:55.540
and um threatened him

01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:57.500
I said, you know what like

01:15:58.240 --> 01:16:02.240
You know, I would just say hey look you better play ball or you're going to be in a lot of trouble

01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.080
with the police and so forth

01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:08.880
And his mother supported this that this happened and then juliana would as well

01:16:09.340 --> 01:16:10.460
and then for me

01:16:11.460 --> 01:16:12.720
because like, you know

01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:18.540
You know his mother wanted me to call her ima which is like mom mother israel in hebra, right?

01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:21.640
So i'm like and so like she she kind of pulled me in as well

01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:22.240
and then i'm like

01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:29.080
And then he went off on her at that during that incident and said some really nasty things to her and i'm like oh my god

01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:30.520
Like if someone said that to my mother

01:16:31.040 --> 01:16:32.380
Man, i'm going to be enraged

01:16:32.980 --> 01:16:37.160
So then maybe maybe really like played on my emotions obviously as you know

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:38.440
and

01:16:39.020 --> 01:16:43.740
And then he would show me like you know a text from from people and

01:16:43.740 --> 01:16:48.720
You know, he was getting phone calls from the chief and from various people in the department

01:16:49.320 --> 01:16:50.320
and at one point

01:16:51.160 --> 01:16:51.720
You know

01:16:52.440 --> 01:16:55.220
Even even even i was just like okay. Well, this is just too

01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:57.440
Too vast to be kind of true

01:16:57.820 --> 01:17:02.540
But then i would get like a phone call from one of my opp friends who i thought i could trust

01:17:03.740 --> 01:17:04.460
And um

01:17:04.460 --> 01:17:07.760
His name was jonathan asin and and john we called them tubs

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:12.580
So tubs would call me up and say look because at first to take a step back here at first

01:17:13.080 --> 01:17:17.180
When darko's kind of give me all this information when darko's trying to tell me you know

01:17:17.180 --> 01:17:21.760
He knows all the people in the world. He's being targeted by the place. He's

01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:24.300
You know, there's a lot going on

01:17:24.860 --> 01:17:30.800
My first reaction was this is way above my pay grade. I don't know what to do with this

01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.780
I'm going to go to people that I trust within the department within the opp

01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:40.560
And rcmp and say look this is what this guy's saying. Is there any truth to it like

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.440
So I go to a couple people

01:17:43.440 --> 01:17:47.800
I was going to go to a friend of mine the rcmp, but then my buddy tubs in

01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:49.860
In the opp

01:17:49.860 --> 01:17:54.460
Said no, you can't trust the rcmp. You can only come to me and you said look at this time

01:17:54.970 --> 01:17:57.460
You know, he was involved in this

01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.580
Special unit and he probably was and he was

01:18:01.330 --> 01:18:04.460
That was um targeting like senior high level

01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:06.620
corruption within departments

01:18:07.860 --> 01:18:11.820
And so he said he now I know now looking back

01:18:11.820 --> 01:18:17.060
I know why he wanted to be the sole guy on this because he wanted all

01:18:17.940 --> 01:18:22.740
You know the credibility we wanted all the notoriety that came came from it so

01:18:24.040 --> 01:18:24.600
and

01:18:25.340 --> 01:18:26.940
so even he kind of like

01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:28.440
Not knowingly

01:18:29.020 --> 01:18:29.940
being you know

01:18:29.940 --> 01:18:31.400
Probably self-centered

01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:36.480
He was doing the same thing kind of what darko was doing because he wanted everything for himself, right?

01:18:36.580 --> 01:18:41.060
He wanted you didn't really want to bring the troops in to kind of solve the issue

01:18:41.060 --> 01:18:42.420
but anyway

01:18:43.580 --> 01:18:47.300
Long story short with that in the end like he could have came forward

01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:52.000
During my trial and could have kind of set the record straight, but he refused to

01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:57.140
Tell the truth even though we had text messages and so forth that you know supported

01:18:58.360 --> 01:19:00.400
What I was trying to present but anyway

01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:06.120
So anyway, darko now. Do you have any ant questions with that because I'm kind of a little bit kind of

01:19:06.540 --> 01:19:12.120
Discombobulated I know I'm kind of jumping around but there's kind of context that needs to kind of be kind of inputted

01:19:12.120 --> 01:19:18.780
What I'm kind of trying to describe what darko was doing and later on when we if we do get into my case my criminal case

01:19:18.780 --> 01:19:22.760
If we have time, you know, we're kind of running running along here, but

01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:30.280
Then no, it's great. You're you're doing awesome. It is a very complex story as as em was saying

01:19:30.280 --> 01:19:32.520
so this is a long con and

01:19:33.080 --> 01:19:38.960
Chances are if it hadn't have been so elaborate and ongoing and over time and you know, so

01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:41.540
seemingly building on relationships

01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:44.580
Then I bet you wouldn't have been

01:19:44.580 --> 01:19:50.420
Taken this way that they had to plan something knowing who you are or that's my guess anyway

01:19:50.420 --> 01:19:52.740
They had to plan it really intricate

01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:59.580
Yeah, I I agree and and you know they play what I thought were my strengths obviously became my weaknesses

01:19:59.580 --> 01:20:06.460
And you know, that's what these people do. They they pray on people to have a moral fiber. They pray on people that you know

01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:14.000
Want to do good in the in the in the work in the community and so forth and again and for him like

01:20:15.120 --> 01:20:15.600
um

01:20:16.500 --> 01:20:18.460
He could have easily conned people

01:20:18.460 --> 01:20:23.000
He could have been calling people doing like black money scams and so forth and probably making money

01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.520
But for him like I said is it was more about control

01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:31.020
It was more about some deep deep stuff that wounds that he had that

01:20:31.020 --> 01:20:37.780
Really wanted him to be able to manipulate someone's life and destroy his destroy someone's life, which he did

01:20:38.360 --> 01:20:38.800
um

01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:43.120
Now i'm not trying to be the victim here like obviously you were victimized

01:20:43.120 --> 01:20:47.360
I was victimized but the thing is you know, I have to take responsibility for what I did

01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:50.260
I did cooperate with this. I should have known better

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:57.260
At certain points and I tried to but again like these weird things would happen what tubs would call me and say hey

01:20:57.780 --> 01:20:59.020
I gotta talk to your guy

01:20:59.540 --> 01:21:00.680
because I tried to get

01:21:02.080 --> 01:21:08.420
Jonathan or tubs and erin or darko together because i'm like you guys need to meet you guys need to solve this

01:21:08.420 --> 01:21:09.300
you guys need to

01:21:09.300 --> 01:21:13.080
But there was always a reason why like darko doesn't trust the police because

01:21:13.620 --> 01:21:16.660
You know that was in their culture. You can only trust me again

01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:19.920
Only you're an only person that could you know

01:21:20.540 --> 01:21:21.080
Help him

01:21:21.700 --> 01:21:22.140
um

01:21:22.140 --> 01:21:29.280
And then the story went on that, you know, he had ptsd because he served in the israeli army and

01:21:29.860 --> 01:21:30.300
um

01:21:30.820 --> 01:21:36.680
So, you know, he would act really crazy and save really irrational things and do rational

01:21:37.300 --> 01:21:38.500
um actions and stuff

01:21:38.500 --> 01:21:42.920
But it was justified because juliana and his mom would text me or his mom would say, you know

01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:46.100
You gotta protect him because he's got this mental instability

01:21:46.100 --> 01:21:52.280
So it kind of gave him the excuse to to go off the wall and drink and and do some crazy stuff

01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:59.060
And they really tried my patience and i'll tell you like part of this is when I look at myself it kind of really

01:22:00.260 --> 01:22:02.080
Like you think you know who you are

01:22:02.740 --> 01:22:03.340
and i'm gonna

01:22:03.900 --> 01:22:07.800
Go off on a tangent here but but you think you know who you are and you think you're

01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.700
You know what you're capable of

01:22:10.340 --> 01:22:13.060
You know to protect your family and your friends and so forth

01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:16.360
But till you push to the limits, which he did

01:22:16.980 --> 01:22:17.460
um

01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:23.980
I never really thought like I never realized that had that that in me like you think you do you conceptualize it and say

01:22:23.980 --> 01:22:29.440
Yeah, you know what if that happened I would do whatever it took to to protect my family whatever

01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:33.180
And you know, he he presented so many different

01:22:33.980 --> 01:22:39.800
Situations to me that were life and death, you know, I mean like my family was in jeopardy or you know

01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:44.160
At one point because he was off on this ptsd thing. He didn't know what he was doing

01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:46.200
So he's threatening my family threatened me

01:22:46.980 --> 01:22:52.120
Repeatedly threatened my of the younger sister's special needs. She's like the sweetest girl. You're gonna ever meet

01:22:52.760 --> 01:22:55.300
the things he said that he was going to do

01:22:55.300 --> 01:22:56.140
um

01:22:56.140 --> 01:22:58.760
to her and my parents and

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:02.340
You know if I didn't play ball because at certain points I was just like, okay

01:23:02.340 --> 01:23:03.240
well, this is kind of like

01:23:04.740 --> 01:23:07.900
Way above me like I can't be involved in this right

01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:12.440
And then he'd say sorry, you know, oh my god. I had ptsd at all these things but

01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:14.800
Which made him very unpredictable to me

01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.680
I made him like

01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.020
And that's what he wanted

01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:23.980
He wanted me to be fearful of what he would do to not only me but to the people that I loved

01:23:24.940 --> 01:23:29.620
And which was another way to kind of and like who could I talk to about this?

01:23:29.700 --> 01:23:31.280
You know, I couldn't talk to anybody about this

01:23:31.280 --> 01:23:36.440
I try to confide in juliana and text her and if we had the odd conversation

01:23:36.930 --> 01:23:38.100
She told me I was wrong

01:23:38.610 --> 01:23:40.680
You know, it was my fault that something happened

01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:45.380
Which is what they do. You're the gas lady exactly if I can jump in quickly here

01:23:45.380 --> 01:23:52.800
They uh that unpredictability it and the confusion and the erratic behavior and the pushing of the limits

01:23:53.230 --> 01:24:01.000
And testing those limits to me. That's all a symptom of of calling out the child's archetype in us

01:24:01.280 --> 01:24:04.940
That gets lost in confusion and that can be overwhelmed

01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:05.980
easily

01:24:06.700 --> 01:24:07.420
and who

01:24:08.140 --> 01:24:09.840
Just wants to trust

01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:13.900
Which is a shadow, right the desire to trust the other

01:24:13.900 --> 01:24:20.420
Which they put on a pendulum between this like oh, I shouldn't trust the other. I should trust myself

01:24:20.420 --> 01:24:23.940
Oh, don't trust yourself. Trust the other. Those are both wrong by the way

01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:27.960
Just that it like trust isn't really designed for human beings at all

01:24:28.580 --> 01:24:29.520
and uh

01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.380
Yeah, so that uh

01:24:31.380 --> 01:24:32.660
That's how they get us

01:24:32.660 --> 01:24:38.580
That was the whole strategy of the pandemic for the vast majority of people except those of us who are more

01:24:38.580 --> 01:24:41.940
A little bit up the scale send you a copy of my book if you're interested by the way

01:24:41.940 --> 01:24:45.780
I'd love to read it. Yeah up the scale in uh in the rebel archetype

01:24:45.780 --> 01:24:51.080
They they saw us coming to and that planned quite a lot for for our entertainment so to speak

01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:53.740
But uh, yeah, do do keep going

01:24:54.460 --> 01:24:57.900
No, I completely agree with that and you have some great insights, Beth

01:24:57.900 --> 01:25:04.140
Obviously with the work you do and and uh all the experience if you've had so yeah, that's that's that's

01:25:04.140 --> 01:25:06.440
100% agree with everything you just said

01:25:06.440 --> 01:25:13.960
Thank you. Yeah, the massive vulnerability and uh, you know going through things and having an open heart. That's just all

01:25:14.540 --> 01:25:15.280
you know

01:25:15.900 --> 01:25:16.660
What do you call it?

01:25:17.420 --> 01:25:18.740
cannon fodder or

01:25:19.300 --> 01:25:22.560
So expression like that. Yeah, and you know like it's

01:25:24.380 --> 01:25:28.060
Whenever someone's trying to force you to react out of fear

01:25:28.060 --> 01:25:34.700
I've really kind of and this and I took this in my trial because my lawyer at the time who I

01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:40.060
I kind of thought I could trust but you know, that's another story about how

01:25:40.060 --> 01:25:43.160
I was told after that he was somewhat influenced

01:25:43.980 --> 01:25:46.800
um to kind of like, you know, uh

01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:51.240
kind of washed a whole thing under the rug and kind of thrown me to the world's kind of thing but

01:25:52.180 --> 01:25:52.620
um

01:25:53.580 --> 01:25:56.100
I remember telling my lawyer and I said I said look, you know

01:25:56.100 --> 01:26:00.000
I'm not making any decisions based on fear and that's one lesson

01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.680
I'd learned from this whole thing with dark because there's always fear. It was always

01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:08.200
Something drastic happened. It was my fault. He had to help. You had to save me or

01:26:08.900 --> 01:26:13.680
um, I was responsible and only he could be the one to you know, so

01:26:15.240 --> 01:26:18.520
It's kind of like, you know, the black money scam. It's kind of the black money scam

01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:24.360
But you know with the people that get called and they think it's their son or daughter or grandson or daughter and they're like, hey

01:26:24.360 --> 01:26:28.880
I need $10,000 or you know, something's gonna happen to me

01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:33.880
You know, my best advice is just take a step back. Take a breath

01:26:34.360 --> 01:26:39.920
You know talk to somebody because when somebody doesn't want you to share the news with anyone else

01:26:40.440 --> 01:26:46.120
That's a huge red flag. You know, um, it really is I I'm actually just teaching that

01:26:46.120 --> 01:26:48.840
Or I just did a video about that for a new course

01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:54.120
That has happened the odd time once in particular where someone divulged something

01:26:54.740 --> 01:26:59.640
Around being suicidal and they swore the their partner to secrecy

01:27:00.200 --> 01:27:06.860
And it created so much tension and pain and suffering for both of them and then for the group

01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:11.800
Right, it spilled over that and finally it got back to me. What was going on

01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:16.620
So then I could manage it now I I make people swear if something weird happens

01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:21.820
In a private group or in a conversation or with a partner then you got to tell me

01:27:22.360 --> 01:27:24.260
Especially if they say don't tell anyone

01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:30.300
Yeah, you know, it's the manipulation like we're

01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.340
We're kind of like indoctrinated into it and keep going back to this from birth

01:27:34.340 --> 01:27:40.580
You know, I mean very from the onset. So, um, you know, like the powers that be do it for their benefit

01:27:40.580 --> 01:27:45.080
You know, everyone kind of does it to their benefit knowingly or unknowingly kind of thing

01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:46.240
and

01:27:46.240 --> 01:27:47.200
um

01:27:47.200 --> 01:27:53.980
But there's some red flags, you know, obviously like if something in your gut is kind of telling you something's wrong here

01:27:54.660 --> 01:27:58.440
Probably chances are there's something probably wrong or not right there

01:27:59.060 --> 01:27:59.580
um

01:28:00.280 --> 01:28:01.560
The fear the pressure

01:28:02.280 --> 01:28:07.360
Whenever there's like any someone's trying to manipulate especially someone you don't know like if you know somebody

01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:14.680
It's your brother or sister or something and you know, they're they need something and it's you know immediate or something because you know some

01:28:15.280 --> 01:28:19.660
Murder she's happening. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about somebody who's trying to extort you for money

01:28:19.660 --> 01:28:21.700
Extort you for whatever it is

01:28:22.220 --> 01:28:23.220
some type of influence

01:28:23.860 --> 01:28:25.020
and you know

01:28:25.540 --> 01:28:28.340
And they're trying to you know use fear as a tactic

01:28:28.340 --> 01:28:33.260
You know, that's that's a huge red flag for me now, but anyway, that's good. That's good

01:28:33.900 --> 01:28:40.160
So then when did you start to get hip to what darko was doing and how

01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:41.840
Extricate yourself

01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:44.120
well, this becomes another

01:28:44.120 --> 01:28:47.000
you know, kind of part of the story is that

01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:48.160
um

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:52.780
At some point there's a lot of points that I thought, you know, this this wasn't making sense

01:28:53.300 --> 01:28:58.760
And then I think darko felt that and then you know, some things would just happen and kind of keep me on track

01:28:59.340 --> 01:29:00.820
but the problem is

01:29:01.430 --> 01:29:04.940
When when I was given the money like I lost everything I lost my house

01:29:05.670 --> 01:29:10.280
you know, um, and that's one thing like you know because of you know, um

01:29:10.990 --> 01:29:12.940
the magnet magnitude of

01:29:13.650 --> 01:29:19.480
The issue at hand the crew police corruption and you know darko always made me look feel small because

01:29:19.480 --> 01:29:26.700
You know, he had these millions and he gave it away to people to save them and you know all the manipulation tactics, but

01:29:27.490 --> 01:29:28.520
so at one point

01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:35.860
I know I've probably lost you know, I had loaned him like 450 thousand dollars, which is crazy. I know

01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:36.960
um

01:29:37.400 --> 01:29:42.880
So I ended up losing my house and I'm you know, it's still in massive debt because of it, but

01:29:43.340 --> 01:29:49.120
um, sometimes the universe hits you with a sledgehammer. So you learn your lesson, I guess, but um

01:29:49.700 --> 01:29:50.140
so

01:29:51.120 --> 01:29:57.960
At some point like you kind of like for me at least it was like, okay. Well, I've invested all this money at this guy

01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:03.120
It's got to be true. Like you kind of play games with yourself. You're like, no, no, it's got to be real

01:30:03.120 --> 01:30:07.080
Like, you know, why would you do this? Like I would never do that with somebody else

01:30:07.460 --> 01:30:09.620
Why would someone do that to me? You know, I mean, so

01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:16.340
The financial investments start to interrupt the financial investment. There's even a word for that once you've paid all your money

01:30:16.740 --> 01:30:21.660
Then your your chances of uh changing your belief or letting go of a belief is very low

01:30:22.060 --> 01:30:24.680
Yeah, and I felt victim to that for sure

01:30:26.180 --> 01:30:26.900
and um

01:30:26.900 --> 01:30:29.880
I guess in the end what happened was um

01:30:30.820 --> 01:30:35.360
I caught wind of his manipulation tactics like this my one friend

01:30:36.060 --> 01:30:43.340
And the one thing as well if you get into this any kind of if you're exposed to like a long con or even like

01:30:43.340 --> 01:30:47.220
Any kind of psychopath they'll try to isolate you from your friends and family

01:30:48.260 --> 01:30:52.440
And that's important to them because they want complete control of the narrative obviously

01:30:53.200 --> 01:30:53.800
so

01:30:55.360 --> 01:30:55.880
Um

01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:02.340
And he would often you know create issues like I would say like hey my friend, you know

01:31:02.340 --> 01:31:03.700
Needs a programmer

01:31:04.500 --> 01:31:08.280
Just come come up in conversation. My friend. He's a programmer because he's

01:31:08.820 --> 01:31:13.160
Writing a new app for something. So, oh, I've got a guy. He owes me a favor

01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:15.680
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna help your friend whatever

01:31:16.320 --> 01:31:16.840
and then

01:31:17.540 --> 01:31:23.160
You know as a result of that I can no longer trust my friend because darko found out that this guy's a scammer

01:31:23.160 --> 01:31:26.260
This guy's I mean, it's it's the same story over and over again

01:31:26.260 --> 01:31:30.540
He's he's the one who's gonna help somebody one of your friends one of my friends

01:31:31.360 --> 01:31:31.760
and

01:31:32.260 --> 01:31:35.080
As a result, you know, you put them together or whatever say, okay

01:31:35.080 --> 01:31:37.800
Hey, you know what like okay my friend darko's got connections

01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.780
He's gonna help you some of those in my favor. He wants to you know

01:31:41.780 --> 01:31:43.240
Because he owes me kind of thing

01:31:43.240 --> 01:31:46.840
So he wants to help out the situation and as a result of that

01:31:47.280 --> 01:31:51.280
Now your friend who you don't really know even I've known him for 20 years

01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:57.500
You know is a scammer and has done this before and he you know creating all these stories, right?

01:31:58.500 --> 01:32:02.680
And making it believable believable enough that you kind of actually sit there and say, okay

01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:08.340
Well, because he's so good at analyzing people, right? He knows the flaws in your friend

01:32:09.160 --> 01:32:10.980
And he just you know

01:32:11.580 --> 01:32:14.160
He expands on that so you're like, okay

01:32:14.160 --> 01:32:17.980
Well, you know my buddy he does have a tendency to kind of do that

01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:21.520
And maybe I got him wrong. Maybe so

01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:24.000
Again like

01:32:26.140 --> 01:32:30.760
That that is a huge tactic he used and to kind of get to the end of the story

01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:35.020
Is I had a friend who was a import exporter of vehicles

01:32:36.120 --> 01:32:36.640
so

01:32:37.380 --> 01:32:42.580
I was again talking to darko about this and he's like, oh, I've got a friend of mine in new york

01:32:42.580 --> 01:32:43.940
I can't remember the guy's name

01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:49.540
And you know, I can help your buddy like I know he's having a hard time sourcing cars. I can do it for him

01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:50.740
so

01:32:51.400 --> 01:32:57.760
I'm like, okay, great. You know, I gave the number to my buddy said this is uh my friend erin or darko's

01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.140
contact. I think his name is arie or something

01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:06.100
And um, so I just happened to be on the phone with my buddy

01:33:07.140 --> 01:33:07.560
and

01:33:08.020 --> 01:33:13.180
You know, my buddy's like, okay. Well, oh your your contact arie's calling me

01:33:14.260 --> 01:33:16.900
I'm gonna put you on mute, but I want you to listen to the conversation

01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:21.440
So, okay. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, you know, we'll finish our conversation after

01:33:22.340 --> 01:33:26.260
So then I'm listening to the conversation. I'm like that sounds a lot like darko

01:33:27.740 --> 01:33:28.100
and

01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.000
And I'm like something's really wrong here

01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:35.760
And that was like the big one of the big moments. It wasn't the big moment

01:33:36.340 --> 01:33:41.280
But it was like at the beginning of the end there. I was like, oh my god. And again, I didn't want

01:33:41.940 --> 01:33:47.680
To not believe the story because this guy took me for everything, right like

01:33:48.900 --> 01:33:50.360
And so I remember

01:33:50.910 --> 01:33:54.960
You know talking to him about it and I brought it up in like a casual way. I just said, hey, you know

01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:55.960
um

01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.100
I was on the phone with my buddy when you when arie called

01:33:59.610 --> 01:34:01.240
It kind of sounded like you

01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:06.720
Man, oh like the wrath from juliana the lawyer the wrath from his mother

01:34:07.240 --> 01:34:11.880
How dare I, you know question darko. How how could I do that?

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:14.340
So then, you know, I

01:34:14.860 --> 01:34:18.120
Didn't really start second guess myself. I'm like something's not right here

01:34:18.120 --> 01:34:21.740
And then shortly thereafter. I think like a week later two weeks later

01:34:23.160 --> 01:34:25.000
Again, they blew this incident up

01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:31.120
Because you know now I can't be trusted and now it's going to put the whole case against the

01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:36.580
Administration on hold and it's all my fault. So they twisted again to me, right?

01:34:37.160 --> 01:34:37.680
and

01:34:38.440 --> 01:34:38.960
so

01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:46.780
I'm I'm at work and I'm I'm texting, you know, juliana and the thing is is

01:34:47.440 --> 01:34:52.280
Another tactic they use is that he was either always calling me and I don't know when this guy slept

01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:54.460
He was always calling me

01:34:54.460 --> 01:35:00.280
always texting me or juliana was texting me or one of the other characters brian greenspan, which was

01:35:00.280 --> 01:35:05.380
You know juliana's uncle like there was a whole cast of characters texting me and I was most of it

01:35:05.380 --> 01:35:06.140
was just darko, but

01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:13.220
I did have a conversation or two with brian on the phone, but and there's obviously one of his buddies or somebody

01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:14.160
um

01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:15.400
and

01:35:16.020 --> 01:35:17.640
So I don't know when he slept

01:35:18.180 --> 01:35:21.920
So again, I'm like, well, how can this guy like he can't you know

01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:25.860
Stay up 24 seven because I was working night shift at the time too as an auditor

01:35:25.860 --> 01:35:31.400
So the work night shift and I'd be getting text all night from juliana who's working late on the case or whatever

01:35:32.860 --> 01:35:38.480
So that one morning, this is still the case of uh, you getting your reputation

01:35:39.100 --> 01:35:40.180
smeared in uh

01:35:40.180 --> 01:35:44.300
In uh on a site or something like that. Is that no, no, this is what they do

01:35:44.900 --> 01:35:51.580
Sorry, the last little bit i'm talking about is the case in regards to uh, see juliana. Maybe I didn't explain this, right?

01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.900
juliana and darko. So juliana said that she wanted to

01:35:54.900 --> 01:36:00.080
Uh, bring these people into the department of justice. Okay, and this was the big story

01:36:00.080 --> 01:36:05.820
this is why I gave him all this money is because he was the key witness and he was being targeted by

01:36:05.820 --> 01:36:08.060
some of the members in the police department

01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:09.760
and um

01:36:10.440 --> 01:36:12.940
So she started she said, okay, I used to be a prosecutor

01:36:12.940 --> 01:36:16.140
I've got connections with the op that people I trust

01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:23.280
So, um, I'm going to bring this forward and I'm going to lay the private information and I'm going to gather the evidence

01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:25.520
So that was the case

01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:26.740
that they were

01:36:26.740 --> 01:36:27.580
You know

01:36:28.260 --> 01:36:32.380
Everything hinged upon like the fact that I did this and questioned darko's

01:36:32.380 --> 01:36:33.720
uh, you know

01:36:36.260 --> 01:36:42.840
Personality or whatever they said is now he's going off on a tangent and and he's having ptsd episodes and

01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:47.040
And it's my fault now. We can't go forward because he wants to leave to go back to israel

01:36:47.620 --> 01:36:51.620
Man, there's a million stories and you know, I don't get bogged down in that so

01:36:51.620 --> 01:36:52.600
um

01:36:53.380 --> 01:36:54.320
So what happened was?

01:36:54.320 --> 01:36:57.120
um, the one morning I'm at work

01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:58.220
and

01:36:58.740 --> 01:37:06.100
I'm texting juliana. She's texting me and she's laying into me about the whole incident still and that how how I

01:37:06.100 --> 01:37:10.740
destroyed the case and that how I should be ashamed of myself and that

01:37:10.740 --> 01:37:12.380
Darko's going to die because

01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:16.720
There's also all these illnesses as his mother and darko had

01:37:17.380 --> 01:37:18.920
We can't really get into that but

01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:19.920
um

01:37:20.480 --> 01:37:26.940
And the stress was my fault and now he's going to probably die because he has this rare blood disease or something

01:37:27.900 --> 01:37:32.840
Thank goodness. It goes it goes. It's crazy and like thinking back and talking about it

01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:37.360
Even even though I'm like, you know, how the hell did I fall for that? But when you're in there?

01:37:37.580 --> 01:37:42.820
Like I said, it's you get wrapped up into it and um, I don't blame you one bit

01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:44.300
yeah, and

01:37:44.940 --> 01:37:45.380
so

01:37:46.980 --> 01:37:53.360
At one point juliana is texting me but darko must have been half asleep because it was from his cell phone

01:37:53.360 --> 01:37:57.960
Because she said she was in toronto and that she was on her way to london because

01:37:58.440 --> 01:38:03.300
You know at that point I think too his his aunt had died at some point

01:38:03.300 --> 01:38:08.180
And again that was somehow my fault the stress gave her a heart attack or something

01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.420
And so and then I'm there. I text her. I'm like

01:38:13.100 --> 01:38:17.880
Well, this doesn't make sense. Why are you texting me from darko's phone number from darko's phone?

01:38:18.780 --> 01:38:23.800
And then she immediately or he immediately searched text me from her number, which is

01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:27.640
A different cell phone or on this phone and she said no

01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:32.760
I know I was that that must have been because I'm tied into his iCloud or something and at that moment

01:38:33.860 --> 01:38:36.120
For some reason that was the moment that just said

01:38:36.860 --> 01:38:37.340
man

01:38:38.240 --> 01:38:39.000
I'm fucked

01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:40.480
I mean like

01:38:40.980 --> 01:38:46.940
Not only have I given juliana information about you know certain cases that were supposed to be tied into

01:38:48.180 --> 01:38:53.760
You know the drugs and the drugs being you know transported and tied into this whole big

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:55.600
corruption scandal

01:38:56.260 --> 01:39:01.740
And I'm like so the first thing I do is I go over and see him and then he

01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:08.080
I started I actually recorded a lot of the conversations because I wanted to give that to my friend

01:39:08.540 --> 01:39:09.540
jonathan or tubs

01:39:10.480 --> 01:39:14.300
Because the second person I called after going over to see darko was him

01:39:14.300 --> 01:39:18.800
So look man. This is you know, I thought we were I was trying to get you in on this

01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:19.960
corruption thing

01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:26.600
And because I try to get them together like I said a lot of times it was always something that was going on that you know

01:39:27.060 --> 01:39:27.800
thwarted the

01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:28.960
the meetup

01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:30.320
I'm like

01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:34.240
This is what kind of happening now. I'm like dude like I you know

01:39:34.240 --> 01:39:39.660
And he's like don't worry about it because look hey, I understand, you know, you didn't have the intention to

01:39:40.180 --> 01:39:41.860
You know give out information

01:39:42.260 --> 01:39:45.240
You didn't have the intention to commit breach of trust. He's like look

01:39:45.240 --> 01:39:47.400
I'm working on a huge case right now

01:39:47.400 --> 01:39:52.640
But try to get some of your money back from this guy and then we'll do it like a formal kind of

01:39:54.160 --> 01:40:00.420
A complaint and we'll we'll suss it all out because I'm like look I'd go to my department

01:40:00.420 --> 01:40:04.200
But the thing is if even like five percent of what darko

01:40:05.100 --> 01:40:07.600
Expanded upon from what I know is true

01:40:08.360 --> 01:40:12.380
Then there's no no way that these people should be handling in this case

01:40:13.080 --> 01:40:18.200
So jonathan's like no no don't worry about it. I'll I'll take care of it. I'll help you out. So eventually

01:40:19.200 --> 01:40:21.320
After a few weeks. I'm like look man. I like

01:40:22.360 --> 01:40:26.820
We we have to do something because he's not going to give me my money and it's not about the money now

01:40:26.820 --> 01:40:32.300
It's about holding this guy accountable. It's like this guy is like because then I found out who he was

01:40:32.300 --> 01:40:37.240
I found out his name. I found out what he did in winsor. I'm like, dude, like we need to do something like

01:40:38.020 --> 01:40:42.940
Not only because about me, but he was also targeting other people right and

01:40:43.980 --> 01:40:46.780
During the disclosure aspect of my case

01:40:47.540 --> 01:40:52.060
Um, I got to go through his cell phones because I couldn't hire anybody to do it

01:40:52.060 --> 01:40:56.940
So I went through his cell phones to try to analyze this, you know for evidence and so forth

01:40:57.780 --> 01:41:01.020
And you know, you can see he's clearly scamming other people

01:41:01.020 --> 01:41:03.780
And I remember there's this one gentleman this old gentleman

01:41:03.780 --> 01:41:09.000
Barry used to send me photos of him and Barry together and he would take Barry to eye appointments

01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.320
And Barry was this like I think it was like a real estate agent or something

01:41:13.180 --> 01:41:19.300
And again darko was going to save the day and help him with his eyesight and taking to all these appointments

01:41:20.420 --> 01:41:24.440
And I remember listening to some of the audio clips

01:41:25.020 --> 01:41:28.620
On darko's phone and one of them is him scamming Barry

01:41:29.220 --> 01:41:30.280
pretending to be

01:41:30.280 --> 01:41:31.080
an

01:41:31.700 --> 01:41:32.600
optimologist or whatever

01:41:33.220 --> 01:41:33.640
specialist

01:41:34.460 --> 01:41:41.360
And I try to kind of share this with the the police department and through my lawyer, but they weren't interested they weren't interested

01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:46.680
Because as the case goes on and in my downfall became this

01:41:47.480 --> 01:41:51.480
I didn't realize that they were investigating me. Sorry. I just gonna make sure that

01:41:51.480 --> 01:41:55.020
The computer doesn't restart

01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:00.240
I didn't realize they were investigating me

01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:01.320
because

01:42:02.040 --> 01:42:09.040
Some of the information I gave darko or juliana or whatever got out into the criminal underworld because darko was kind of sharing it with people

01:42:09.940 --> 01:42:10.500
and

01:42:11.660 --> 01:42:13.360
so when when I

01:42:14.580 --> 01:42:16.840
Um, where's gonna go with this? Sorry

01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:19.400
Since

01:42:19.900 --> 01:42:23.620
Since we're a little bit interrupted. I am wondering about a part two

01:42:24.100 --> 01:42:24.920
do you

01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:30.900
Would you feel more comfortable to be able to expand rather than rush to the finish line right now?

01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:35.560
It's totally up to you. I guess it's up to you and your listeners. Like I'm glad to come back and

01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:42.040
I would say if you won't listen to me, but yeah, yeah, the interest is absolutely here. So

01:42:43.080 --> 01:42:49.960
Yeah, I would feel pain if you rush too much and try to like just jam in everything

01:42:51.360 --> 01:42:55.240
Because this is a new plot twist. You didn't realize they were investigating you

01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.160
In the process. Yeah, I didn't realize that and um,

01:43:00.320 --> 01:43:08.720
Then what happens is a result of this my downfall and I'll kind of leave this as like a spoiler alert for the next episode. I guess is

01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:14.240
When I was dealing with juliana and darko, whoever these people were, um

01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:16.580
I wrote a series of affidavits

01:43:17.240 --> 01:43:21.380
And one affidavit would had to deal with um the corruption within the department

01:43:21.380 --> 01:43:22.160
But it's more like

01:43:22.900 --> 01:43:26.700
seniority and how people get promoted and stuff because that's what juliana asked me to do

01:43:26.700 --> 01:43:29.940
So there was actually three different copies of this affidavit

01:43:30.440 --> 01:43:35.160
And the last copy was was a written affidavit because she wanted to have her people

01:43:35.160 --> 01:43:35.600
Um

01:43:37.240 --> 01:43:42.140
Type it up for me because I typed up the first one and I think darko wanted in my handwriting

01:43:43.060 --> 01:43:44.900
Rather than just a piece of paper where

01:43:45.860 --> 01:43:49.640
He could say that oh, you know, he typed this up, but you couldn't prove it

01:43:50.300 --> 01:43:52.240
um, that's my guess and

01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:57.400
So in the second the third affidavit because there's a rough copy of the first one

01:43:57.400 --> 01:44:00.720
And then a finalized copy that she was going to use

01:44:01.280 --> 01:44:07.300
And then there was the handwritten stuff that would give to him to give to juliana from time to time

01:44:07.980 --> 01:44:16.800
And that stuff had to deal with a lot of corruption within the department that I knew like, you know, them covering up for pedophiles them, you know, uh

01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:23.920
obstructing justice and all sorts of stuff that I knew to be true and they know to be true

01:44:24.700 --> 01:44:26.320
So when they did

01:44:27.220 --> 01:44:29.780
They did the warrant at darko's house

01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:31.980
At the backtrack one second

01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:37.260
So at some point they were allegedly supposed to give my case

01:44:38.360 --> 01:44:40.680
The investigation on me to the opp

01:44:41.460 --> 01:44:48.320
But they never really gave it to the opp because london still were the lead investigators london still handled all the evidence

01:44:48.320 --> 01:44:49.740
london still

01:44:50.820 --> 01:44:53.920
Conducted all the warrants except for one warrant on my cell phone

01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:58.820
But they went to darko's house. They took all his cell phones. They took all the

01:44:58.820 --> 01:44:59.240
the

01:44:59.860 --> 01:45:01.440
paperwork including

01:45:02.180 --> 01:45:02.500
um

01:45:03.100 --> 01:45:08.600
They said there was, you know a copy of that affidavit or affidavits that I that I wrote

01:45:09.300 --> 01:45:14.700
And this gets a little bit more interesting because when you analyze my case, you know, you have people

01:45:15.340 --> 01:45:18.420
Uh, the one lead investigator for london used to be

01:45:18.980 --> 01:45:24.280
Uh in internal affairs. So he's well aware of what the protocol is. So

01:45:25.160 --> 01:45:26.360
This is my opinion

01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:31.140
Um, he after the warrant takes all the evidence my phone

01:45:31.140 --> 01:45:32.340
darko's phones

01:45:33.040 --> 01:45:34.020
all the paperwork

01:45:34.660 --> 01:45:37.740
The affidavits and he puts it locks it in his own office

01:45:38.440 --> 01:45:40.180
and he leaves it there for a day and a half

01:45:41.060 --> 01:45:41.700
and

01:45:42.500 --> 01:45:44.420
you know, if you read the

01:45:45.160 --> 01:45:45.640
um

01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:52.640
officer statement that you know seized the envelope with my name on it from darko's house

01:45:53.240 --> 01:45:58.140
with you know, all the paperwork inside he says like there's a vast amount of

01:45:59.060 --> 01:46:00.720
Papers in this envelope

01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:05.200
Well, you know by time we got disclosure and they didn't really initially

01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:10.000
Disclose it to us. They kind of refused to do that along with his phones. They didn't want us to have

01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:11.080
that disclosure

01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:15.200
Um, it was only just the one copy of the affidavit

01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:16.280
so

01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:19.060
And there was evidence on the phones

01:46:19.060 --> 01:46:19.920
um

01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:24.120
To some degree that somebody had been in the office and look

01:46:24.900 --> 01:46:28.360
I can't prove that 100 but I know

01:46:29.040 --> 01:46:32.100
What the game was I know what was at stake there?

01:46:32.440 --> 01:46:37.960
I know what I wrote and I know and there's evidence of that even in disclosure of what I wrote

01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:39.580
It's just not the complete story

01:46:40.160 --> 01:46:46.980
So for london police to analyze all the evidence london police to conduct all the warrants for london police to

01:46:46.980 --> 01:46:53.440
They're pretty much being controlled even though, you know, the optics of it of it was oh, we're going to give control to fp

01:46:53.440 --> 01:46:54.720
Which never really happened

01:46:55.380 --> 01:46:57.200
And that's a whole story in and of itself

01:46:58.500 --> 01:46:58.980
um

01:46:58.980 --> 01:47:04.780
Again, I'm just trying to cram that all in in like a very short, you know, five seconds or five minutes

01:47:04.780 --> 01:47:08.300
I have here, but it does just supports

01:47:09.300 --> 01:47:13.440
All the other things I talked about at the beginning of the podcast about you know

01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:18.240
To what lengths are these people going to do to cover up, you know, what they've done

01:47:18.240 --> 01:47:22.160
No one's ever going to come to you and say yeah, you know what I messed up

01:47:22.160 --> 01:47:24.060
Pete was never going to come forward

01:47:24.460 --> 01:47:27.320
In that one article and say yeah, hey, you know what?

01:47:27.940 --> 01:47:31.160
I shouldn't have fucking kicked her shouldn't have stomped on her, you know

01:47:31.160 --> 01:47:36.980
The one officer Amanda Pfeiffer who got uh, you know with my friend's case there who lied on the stand

01:47:36.980 --> 01:47:42.820
She's never going to say oh, you know, I lied and I was I wanted, you know to promote my career

01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:43.760
and

01:47:44.420 --> 01:47:46.380
You know, that's the thing like

01:47:47.180 --> 01:47:52.060
Or they're afraid to go against what the administration wants and you know

01:47:52.060 --> 01:47:55.580
My friend got lucky there because there were a couple officers. There's one officer

01:47:56.160 --> 01:47:59.520
His name was mark mcgoogan that stood up and told the truth

01:48:00.220 --> 01:48:02.780
And really helped Mike out because he was like no

01:48:03.400 --> 01:48:09.520
And but what happened to him on the side note after he goes and testifies in Mike's case shortly thereafter

01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:14.980
He loses the job that he worked so hard for as detective in the in cid

01:48:15.460 --> 01:48:21.180
And then he gets sent to radio and there's two places that sergeants don't want to go in the police department

01:48:21.740 --> 01:48:23.560
The radio room and cells

01:48:24.240 --> 01:48:28.840
And they just put him out the pasture and said, you know what if you're not going to play ball pretty much

01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:31.940
You know, if you're not going to support, you know

01:48:32.460 --> 01:48:36.320
What we're trying to accomplish here, I guess I don't know the reasoning behind it

01:48:37.220 --> 01:48:42.860
The you're gonna get punished too whereas hey if if that was the case and I was the

01:48:42.860 --> 01:48:47.920
The chief at the time and I found out that you know, they did this to this person

01:48:48.480 --> 01:48:50.000
And that they lied on the stand

01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:51.940
They should have been charged with perjury

01:48:52.410 --> 01:48:55.800
They should have been at least charged under the police services act

01:48:56.400 --> 01:48:57.320
Which is you know

01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:01.240
Which holds like suspensions or the motions or you can lose your job

01:49:01.240 --> 01:49:03.040
But they wouldn't do any of that

01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:07.100
To any of these people and I can I can I can cite countless cases

01:49:07.740 --> 01:49:14.200
Of people doing the same thing and that are being caught because they're doing an investigation on behalf of the department

01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.120
They're not held accountable even though there's evidence

01:49:17.660 --> 01:49:23.720
To point to that and like outstanding evidence they're like evidence you can't ignore like in in my friend's case

01:49:24.540 --> 01:49:25.020
and

01:49:25.780 --> 01:49:26.260
so

01:49:27.420 --> 01:49:30.540
Anyway, I can go on and on I know we're kind of running out of time here

01:49:30.540 --> 01:49:36.800
But yeah, if you do if you're if the listeners and if yourself you guys want to have me back and I can ramble some more

01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.040
I'll be happy to to join you again

01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:43.400
Absolutely. Yeah, I'd like to hear the whole the whole entire story and

01:49:44.080 --> 01:49:48.280
Just to start closing out. Do you feel like there's any I have to imagine no

01:49:48.280 --> 01:49:53.000
But do you feel like there's any risk to you now whatsoever coming forward with the story?

01:49:55.160 --> 01:50:00.180
I don't think so good mind you a couple strange things happen today. I don't know why

01:50:00.540 --> 01:50:02.300
probably just by chance

01:50:03.100 --> 01:50:03.900
but um

01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:06.380
I don't think so and

01:50:06.900 --> 01:50:10.800
I've already lost everything. Where they're going to take for me and I mean like there's nothing else

01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:16.560
You're gonna throw me in gl again for what speaking the truth, right? So, you know, and I can I know I can back up everything

01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:17.560
I've just said here

01:50:18.500 --> 01:50:18.900
so

01:50:20.740 --> 01:50:24.080
Sure, like hey try it you have at it and I mean like

01:50:25.040 --> 01:50:32.560
Right, right. Well, that's the beauty of getting beaten so badly as you have been and you didn't die and you're here

01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:34.840
You know with still with your open heart

01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:40.940
Oh my goodness, you didn't get bitter and go and become an alcoholic or start

01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.580
attacking back or trying to get revenge, although, you know, I

01:50:45.580 --> 01:50:49.500
I know, you know legal revenge probably would be wonderful

01:50:50.160 --> 01:50:52.540
for you but kudos to you for

01:50:53.180 --> 01:50:59.160
Coming through this with your integrity. Well, thanks beth and I think, you know, that's the real message

01:50:59.160 --> 01:51:03.320
I have here is that you know, whenever someone goes through something like this

01:51:03.320 --> 01:51:06.280
And we all kind of will go through it at some point

01:51:06.920 --> 01:51:07.780
You know

01:51:08.280 --> 01:51:12.960
If you look at yourself as a victim if you if you're not able to kind of look at yourself and say look

01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:19.060
You know, I've got really look hard at what happened here. I've got to really look at the lessons that are here

01:51:19.580 --> 01:51:21.340
Underlying this whole situation

01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:22.100
Yeah

01:51:22.100 --> 01:51:26.940
And you know what? Hey for for 20 years of actually was probably I think

01:51:27.440 --> 01:51:28.580
15 years whatever

01:51:29.100 --> 01:51:34.800
I compromised my morals as a police officer in the sense that I stood around and I was part of this thing and

01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.640
You know, I thought I was trying to do good, but you know, really

01:51:38.220 --> 01:51:41.540
You know, it's like this insurmountable. It's a huge mountain

01:51:41.540 --> 01:51:44.420
You know, I mean you want to do something to fight it

01:51:44.420 --> 01:51:48.820
But you can't because where do you start? You can't go with the chief. You can't go to anybody else

01:51:48.820 --> 01:51:52.660
You can't go with a prosecutor. You can't go to the crown or you should say

01:51:53.140 --> 01:51:54.800
No one's going to listen to you because when

01:51:55.300 --> 01:51:57.820
Because the manipulation is just so vast

01:51:57.820 --> 01:52:02.020
You know, I mean like you have chiefs going in to talk to the crown

01:52:02.740 --> 01:52:08.640
And they're able to to pull charges for their friends and that happens all the time like there was

01:52:09.100 --> 01:52:10.600
Again, I can talk forever, but

01:52:11.140 --> 01:52:13.640
You know, there's a case recently in london

01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:18.100
About the hockey players that sexually assaulted that girl. I can tell you right now

01:52:18.100 --> 01:52:21.960
There's a cover up there 100% like that investigation from the onset

01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:26.620
I don't know anything about it, but just reading it in the paper from the onset

01:52:27.300 --> 01:52:33.380
You know, there's huge mistakes made in regards to how the investigation was led

01:52:33.380 --> 01:52:39.300
Like you don't seize the cell phones right away from you know, these people that she's telling you that

01:52:39.300 --> 01:52:41.860
They took photos that there's videos

01:52:42.500 --> 01:52:47.780
You don't seize any of that and then you just let it die and then it comes back around

01:52:48.100 --> 01:52:50.740
Just because these guys are NHL hockey players

01:52:51.700 --> 01:52:54.540
Or at the time they weren't they were a OHL, but

01:52:56.300 --> 01:52:57.100
anyway, it's

01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:03.540
Anyway, it's hard to it's hard to sit with it's hard to kind of deal with and and you know, like I said for me

01:53:04.160 --> 01:53:08.120
I had to look at my life and say, you know, there's got to be some good to this

01:53:08.120 --> 01:53:09.780
There's got to be something more

01:53:09.780 --> 01:53:13.300
I mean like sure I was con sure I lost everything sure

01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:17.680
You know, but you know, it's only me made me a little bit more

01:53:18.100 --> 01:53:18.620
um

01:53:20.040 --> 01:53:21.500
Give me more real

01:53:22.140 --> 01:53:25.420
Realization of who I am like the you know what I can go through

01:53:25.900 --> 01:53:26.380
um

01:53:26.980 --> 01:53:30.860
And when you come out on the other side of this as you probably well know

01:53:31.460 --> 01:53:34.880
You you start to you know, identify some of those programs that you have

01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:39.200
And I was able to work with some people that were you know, very generous with me

01:53:39.700 --> 01:53:41.860
There's one lady Dr. Olga Stef go

01:53:42.500 --> 01:53:47.880
If you ever have a chance to to have her on she's amazing does some great work on subconscious

01:53:48.100 --> 01:53:48.560
programming

01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:51.600
and my friends Vladimir and

01:53:52.340 --> 01:53:53.620
Valerie Vladimir's

01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:56.140
STEM instructor, so

01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:03.020
you know, um, that's a Russian martial art and you know his breathing and his support and his wife's support

01:54:03.020 --> 01:54:05.900
just meant the world to me as well because you know

01:54:06.660 --> 01:54:12.760
You got to start looking for the truth. You got to start doing things that are going to build you up and and

01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:15.040
rather than start drinking and

01:54:15.040 --> 01:54:20.860
The things that are going to tear your life apart. But anyway, again, I'm starting to ramble and I'll let's leave it at that

01:54:21.500 --> 01:54:23.800
No, it's all good. I'm I'm glad you found help

01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:26.260
Now I can't help but point out again how

01:54:26.260 --> 01:54:31.420
It really that child archetype is so forward the thing that I write about the

01:54:32.200 --> 01:54:34.500
Betrayal is is a major shadow

01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:40.540
And I say that the child must be betrayed must be to come out of that denial

01:54:41.300 --> 01:54:47.220
Where you're willing to extend and have generosity of spirit in a time when it's actually not

01:54:47.820 --> 01:54:50.380
Appropriate when you are in fact being betrayed

01:54:51.140 --> 01:54:55.180
And so this is an experience the siren goes off in the background to accentuate it that

01:54:55.740 --> 01:54:58.260
Everybody's trying to avoid like the plague

01:54:58.860 --> 01:55:00.680
And so they will stay in denial

01:55:01.260 --> 01:55:04.820
As a result and it makes them perfect fodder

01:55:04.820 --> 01:55:12.000
For being taken advantage of and lied to and gas lit and you know, I unfortunately know what it's like to

01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:13.660
have a

01:55:14.460 --> 01:55:18.700
you know a gas lighter in the family sadly and

01:55:18.700 --> 01:55:22.240
You know when they're confronted, it's dangerous

01:55:22.240 --> 01:55:25.640
It it's energetically very dangerous

01:55:26.560 --> 01:55:30.960
There you'd rather walk around, you know, they're going to make sure that you pay the price

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:32.220
for seeing

01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:35.460
And and this is we are meant to see

01:55:36.280 --> 01:55:42.760
Right. We are meant to have our eyes open not just with trauma and hypervigilance, but for the actual freedom

01:55:43.540 --> 01:55:46.140
So we can know ourselves what what you

01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:54.740
Decided to do with all of this to to learn more deeply about the truth and and to let it so obviously humble you

01:55:55.960 --> 01:56:02.720
I completely agree and I think in one of one of your recent podcasts you talked about suffering and life is about suffering and

01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:05.280
You know, you can allow that suffering to completely

01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:09.700
engulf you and like in you know extinguish your light or you can actually

01:56:09.700 --> 01:56:13.900
You know use that suffering as a as a as the wind to kind of

01:56:13.900 --> 01:56:19.460
Flow the flame a bit a little bit higher kind of know more about yourself. That's probably real bad analogy there

01:56:19.460 --> 01:56:20.840
But anyway, um

01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:24.340
But you know, I mean like so for me and I'm still dealing with it

01:56:24.340 --> 01:56:26.820
I'm still, you know, there's lots of times like, you know

01:56:26.820 --> 01:56:32.560
I'm still trying to work through a lot of the issues here and like you said trying to look at that child but then

01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:36.260
To kind of like see where this all stems from like, you know

01:56:36.780 --> 01:56:40.680
What are the lessons here and so forth and it's going to be a probably a life

01:56:41.200 --> 01:56:45.340
lifetime of learning them just based on this one incident, but you know

01:56:45.340 --> 01:56:50.760
Yeah, I think life is about, you know, moving forward and you know learning from the past and

01:56:51.440 --> 01:56:52.880
All that stuff you just mentioned

01:56:53.500 --> 01:57:00.040
That's beautiful. Yeah, I love that that when we go through suffering that the worst possible thing that can be is that it's meaningless

01:57:00.040 --> 01:57:01.980
There was no purpose in it

01:57:02.580 --> 01:57:09.080
And that's often the case, right? There's no purpose in somebody taking incredible advantage of your

01:57:10.480 --> 01:57:12.600
Generosity and and open-heartedness

01:57:13.160 --> 01:57:20.060
And so in the process you turn around and you make it meaningful by coming out and sharing your story

01:57:20.060 --> 01:57:24.100
Do you want to leave us with that for today? And we will definitely plan a part too

01:57:24.100 --> 01:57:27.300
What what is the message that you hope people get from you?

01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:31.740
Oh god, I don't know. I'm not a philosopher

01:57:33.640 --> 01:57:37.700
But like anything in life for me, I guess the message for me is like, hey

01:57:37.700 --> 01:57:39.500
You'll get through it, you know

01:57:39.500 --> 01:57:43.580
If you there's a there's a lesson there you're gonna learn a lot about yourself

01:57:43.580 --> 01:57:46.200
You're gonna learn a lot about what's going on around you

01:57:46.780 --> 01:57:50.500
Like this whole incident with me is like what I've learned, you know

01:57:51.060 --> 01:57:56.080
Some the things that conceptualized that I thought I knew you don't know and as life goes on

01:57:56.080 --> 01:57:59.880
You're gonna learn more and more about who you truly are like inside like

01:58:00.480 --> 01:58:05.680
Who that person is because like you were saying like, you know, you've got this child aspect, you know

01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:07.320
All this, you know

01:58:07.320 --> 01:58:09.020
Imprinting from when you're like

01:58:09.620 --> 01:58:13.120
From a baby, maybe in the womb as the TCM would probably say

01:58:13.120 --> 01:58:17.040
And then as you grow through life, it's more imprinting

01:58:17.040 --> 01:58:23.760
And you know, I think the suffering is a way of trying to kind of remove that and try to find out who you truly are

01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:29.700
Like see who you really are inside like what we are spiritual beings or whatever you you believe but

01:58:29.700 --> 01:58:30.620
um

01:58:30.620 --> 01:58:36.040
Yeah, there's there's something inside of you that that is beyond all that if that makes sense

01:58:36.540 --> 01:58:40.100
It really does. Yeah, that's beautiful and spoken like a true king hero

01:58:41.400 --> 01:58:45.120
I don't know about that, but thank you. Thank you. I wait for moments to say that

01:58:46.200 --> 01:58:48.800
And I won't and I won't say this in genuinely either

01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.120
That was definitely a boom

01:58:51.820 --> 01:58:53.160
So thank you very much for

01:58:53.720 --> 01:58:59.040
Telling this story. Thanks for contacting me and giving me the honor of helping to share out your story

01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.780
Thank you very much. My my great appreciation as well. Yeah

01:59:03.580 --> 01:59:08.860
So stay tuned. I will I will connect with you kelly again to to make it a part two time

01:59:09.620 --> 01:59:10.180
I

01:59:10.780 --> 01:59:17.880
Think that's it. Thank you everyone for joining. Thanks michelle for posting my telegram group chat and apologies on the link this morning

01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:23.060
It is changed, but might have confused a few people. Luckily these do stay up as recordings

01:59:23.660 --> 01:59:27.920
So you'll be able to access them also as podcasts on spotify itunes

01:59:28.480 --> 01:59:32.060
I will upload to rumble. We're sort of wondering about vigilante tv

01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:36.400
If I'm going to keep going with that or not if it's if it's been useful

01:59:36.400 --> 01:59:41.120
Let me know if you are watching on vigilante tv just trying to simplify things a little bit

01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:46.000
This year and uh, yep, if there ever was a king hero, we got him here in the space

01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:48.400
We're not just blow and smoke up your body there

01:59:49.300 --> 01:59:50.180
Thank you everybody

01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:56.980
You're very welcome. All right lots of love for now and uh and one last comment about my course creator code

01:59:56.980 --> 02:00:02.180
There's one spot left. I'm so excited for the group that's already joining and we're gonna

02:00:02.940 --> 02:00:07.160
Bus through, you know, here's one last thing. I'm kind of meant to say just about

02:00:07.160 --> 02:00:11.400
How perpetrators can work and it can be the the most benign thing

02:00:11.900 --> 02:00:18.180
Is they or appear to be the most benign thing they waste your time and they grab your attention

02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:24.200
When your attention is likely needed somewhere real and purposeful they

02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:31.840
You know, what do you what's the word like help you waste it and this is this is to me a very big crime

02:00:32.440 --> 02:00:36.020
And why did I want to say that? I think I just wanted to say that

02:00:36.020 --> 02:00:40.960
All right, everyone have a beautiful rest of your day. Thanks again, akili

02:00:42.020 --> 02:00:44.000
Bye everybody. Okay. Bye for now

02:00:47.160 --> 02:00:49.780
We'll play you out with my son here we go