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that you control, and 603-283-6160 is the phone number. That's 603-283-6160. You can

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call in with whatever is on your mind. That's the whole point of Freetalk Live. We talk

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about whatever we want. You talk about whatever you want. You can change the subject. You

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can tell us we're wrong about what we're saying. It's up to you. That's the point

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of Freetalk Live. And with you on Freetalk Live, tonight you've got me, Bonnie, Mr.

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Penguin and Angelo. And I know that they talked about it yesterday, but I wasn't on

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the show yesterday. And obviously, very obviously, the big news, the big news in the

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New Year is that Trump and the United States government goons invaded Venezuela

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on the ground and actually kidnapped Maduro, the president, the dictator, to

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be fair, in his sleep, the communist dictator, to be fair. And there are a

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lot of libertarians saying, is it possible to do anything against the nap when the

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subject is a communist? It's a good question. Yeah. I think the short answer is the

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nap is the nap, right? So no, you can't really justify that. Yeah, I see what you're

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saying. Well, because the communist hasn't really taken anything. That communist

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dictator didn't take anything from you, right? You haven't been aggressed upon.

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If you're, if you have a kid with you, or anybody else, okay, if you have a friend,

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let's make it not your kid to just make it one layer away. You have a friend and

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you're out in public and that friend is about to get stabbed. Do you have the

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right to use force against the strapper? I think you do. As long as it's

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uncontential. Because the, yes, because the nap means that, that's what I

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mean to say. Self-defense is using force against somebody to defend yourself

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another or your property. Yeah. So I don't know. There's a, I guess you could say

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that they were moving in defense of Venezuelan people, but are the Venezuelan

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people actually free? I think the one they need to actually ask you into, I

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think you're right. They'd have to be coming in to do something better. And

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they're not, they're not, that's not going to get any more. That's where I'm

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trying to take this. They're not going to make it any more free down

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there. They're not going to actually be less under a dictatorship. Okay. So

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you're not violating the nap if you're in Venezuela and you take over, right?

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Because you're defending yourself against other violent actors. Yeah. If

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you're Venezuelan, you're right. The United States isn't being, but no, we

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just changed the subject. You just changed, you've changed the goalpost

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because I just made it, we all agreed that you can, it, let's say it's

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none of your friend. It's a random person on the street. You see them

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about to be stabbed. Is it against the nap to defend that person? No. No,

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right. So it's like, almost there. But the thing is, I don't think what

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they're going to do in the end is going to actually help the Venezuelan

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people. And there's a difference between, you know, you, you, yeah,

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sure. You, you, it may be, you may think you have some sort of, you

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know, moral, you know, duty to do something, but that's not

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necessarily required by the nap. You can also choose to do

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nothing. Definitely. That's definitely true. In the case, we

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should do nothing. I think we should do nothing to in the

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United States should do nothing. Even if we want to do, you

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know, if we wanted to do something at an individual level or

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group, you know, outside of government, I think that would

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be totally justifiable. But we'll never be able to because we

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get stolen from and because of the fact we get stolen from it,

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it makes everything the United States did an act of aggression

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against the people that they're stealing from, you know,

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without their permission. So there's that even ignoring that.

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Right. The United States actually prohibits individuals,

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Americans from getting together and taking over another

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country. So yeah, there was just like two Texas guys who were

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arrested for planning like a coup on a small island in Haiti.

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Yes. Yeah. You didn't you heard about you? You know, I don't

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know if I heard about that particular couple weeks ago, but

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this happens. This does happen every once in a while. They're

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like really young. They had to get they had to be a

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situation where an FBI agent was talking to them and

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telling them, Hey, you can do this. Like, I can't see any

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other scenario, but I could be wrong. Yeah, it's like to

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like some sub 30 year olds. They're super young. They're

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like 23 and 22 or something. Yeah. And we're going to make a

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raft and take a bunch of guns over to the small island off the

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coast of Haiti, kill all the men and take the women for like a

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harem and like make their own little utopia on the island.

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So that's obviously against the nap in and of itself. But the

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thing is, if you wanted to do that, take some rafts and

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guns and go free people on an island and genuinely not

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hurt anyone other than the aggressors, I think that's

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not against the nap. But also what you're saying is like,

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you're not required to. The difference here is that what they

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were doing was against the people. And what we're

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suggesting is against the government. So, you know, the

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actors of the state,

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what who was doing is against Oh, what those two young

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people? Yeah, setting up a harem and like the women or

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whatever. They're basically trying to impose their another

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government, you know, on those and use, you know, I

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mean, I don't know to what degree the government is the

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current government there is, you know, doing, you know,

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taking women and, you know, abusing them. Yeah, that island,

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I don't know. The whole point they were going there was

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because they're the government was so ineffective. I mean, it

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was probably just ran by a warlord anyway. So they were

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just going to go steal it. What's your young people just

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decide that amongst themselves? I really feel like the FBI

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agent had to be like, hey, from Texas to like, yeah,

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like you could just live your life instead. But in pretty

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good life in America, young men in Texas, instead, you

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just decide to throw it away for this seems like some I

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just it reeks of something. The FBI would try to say, Hey,

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you know, you should try this. I bet you can get away with it.

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And then they're like, yeah, we got him. See, I'm saying, I'm

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not saying I know that. Yeah, this kind of this very much

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does smell similar. You know, whenever, whatever violence

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is occurring, you have to ask, well, what's the, you

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know, what's the cause of it, right? Because often, often

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it is literally government, the government's actually

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fabricating that situation. It's not like it doesn't

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happen independent of government, but it's much more

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rare than you would think.

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Well, I do, I just wanted to make sure people know what we

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mean by the nap for a second and is a little late, but the

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nap is the non aggression principle as the principle

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that you do not ever initiate aggression against or force

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against another person. And it can only be justified in

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self defense and I already defined self defense. So if

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you're wondering what the heck we're talking about, maybe

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I should have said that from the beginning. But I, I know

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you guys are already covered. Hey, Maduro was captured in

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his sleep. So like, I'm not going to read an article that's

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like, about that all over again. But I do have to say I told

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you guys, and I don't know how many people were covering

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this every like once a week. Hey, a war is about to start in

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Venezuela. Scary. Hey, war is about I don't I didn't

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hear anybody talking about it outside of that even on like

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like YouTubers and stuff I watch. See what I'm saying. I

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tried to stay on top of it because I felt it coming and

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it really did. Like Ian woke me up at noon one day,

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unfortunately. And so he calls me and he's like, did you

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hear the news? I was like, what? And he said they went the

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United States goons went into Venezuela. They kidnapped

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Maduro in his sleep. And now Trump says says the United

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States is going to run Venezuela. I was like, yeah, you

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know, exactly how Trump would do that. That's that's the

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thing that I want to know is what their plan is as far as

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to run. Because as I understand it, the the leadership is

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still in power in as well. It's just one or well one man and

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his wife. They made like a new woman president, right? Yeah.

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So they just put some other they're just gonna put some

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other, you know, other opposition party. I don't know

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how good those are. There's also well. No, I don't think

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it's is the opposition. That's what I think it is. Didn't

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you hear that the new woman they installed is from the

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opposition party? They haven't I don't think they've

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installed anyone yet. Right now the vice president

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wasn't at the United States saying that they were going

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to install somebody. Well, yeah, but they haven't done it

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yet. The United States isn't in power. They didn't they

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didn't undermine the I don't know if they did it yet, but

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they've talked about this woman. They're going to install

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that they're at least teasing to install. And I know that

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they said she's of the opposition party. Why would

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they put the same party? That would make sense. But the

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problem is that they didn't take out the the leadership.

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They only took out the one guy. The one guy. Oh, I

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see we're seeing now. Well, I do have an article

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specifically about that. So if you guys want to learn

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more, I want to I think we should get into a bit

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more. I know it's I know we talked about yesterday.

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But I know that this is getting into in a different way

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because yeah, sure. I want to know this article from the

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Wall Street Journal says Trump rolls the dice on nation

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building with vow to run Venezuela. So let's see how

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they're going to do that because that's what a lot

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of people are asking. So Swift military operation

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delivers Venezuelan strongman Maduro into custody

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though his lieutenants say they remain in charge

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like Penguin is saying. So after an audacious overnight

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operation that captured Venezuelan strongman. I don't

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I don't know really. I've never heard the term strongman

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in this way. I guess it means dictator because that's

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what he is. Nicholas Maduro and removed him from

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power. President Trump on Saturday embraced an open

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ended nation building effort of a kind once said

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he once he once said he once said he would avoid

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sorry. Trump said the US would run Venezuela a

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Latin American country of 29 million people with a

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faltering economy for an indefinite period. We're

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going to run it essentially until the proper

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transition takes place. He said a provided few

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details about the White House would take control

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of the country without putting large numbers of US

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troops on the ground. I wonder how you're going

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to do that. But that's kind of nice if they're

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able to do it that way as opposed to large

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numbers of troops on the ground turning into like

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Afghanistan. You know. Yeah. An option. He didn't

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roll out though. Trump said even less about whether

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a viable plan was in place for governing Venezuela

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after deposing its president and sending him to

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the US to face criminal charges other than to

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insist the US. And that's another little angle of

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this I hadn't really thought about like yeah he's

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facing criminal charges. I wonder how that's

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going to go. But this is an open phones show

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and somebody's on the phone so let's go to the

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phones on screen caller you're on free talk live

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what's on your mind. I just want to make sure

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people know what we mean by the nap for a

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second and it will wait but the nap is the

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nonaggression principle as the principle that

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you do know. Exception Bonnie. What you said

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you cannot initiate for the against another

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person for that one exception Bonnie. Children

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and grown people to all have a retard. Oh maybe

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to save the Earth. Hold on. He's really really

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stupid and he just like tries to act like he's

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got you instead of having an honest conversation

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with someone else. What is he even. He's trying

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to say that it's there. There's an exception

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and that he's trying to say that I am wrong

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about this and I'm like maybe he's trying

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to say I'm a hypocrite because you can

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under the nap you can absolutely impose

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force against another person to protect

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your property your children are your

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property in my opinion so I'm a hundred

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percent consistent on that whether you

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guys agree or whether Skeeter agrees or

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not I'm a hundred percent consistent on

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that your children are your property

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and if they're going to run in the road

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and you use force to stop them it's no

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sane person would say that's not okay for

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any reason. I don't think it's any I

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don't think there's an issue with you

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know using force against your 35 year old

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son. What do you mean. Well I mean you

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can use force against your children right

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you said. That you're acting like there

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is no it doesn't end. Yeah my 35 year old

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son's out to jump into the street and I

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have to tackle him to keep him from

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hurting himself. Yeah he's trying to make

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it sound like what I was saying is

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illogical or immoral. It obviously ends

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there are multiple types of property

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ownership that come to an end like

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renting. If you're renting something and

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it's currently yours and somebody's

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about to destroy it you have the

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right to stop them right or even harm

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them if they won't stop. Yes because

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you're renting it. That doesn't mean it

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has to be yours permanently but it's

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yours for that moment. I don't want to

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continue talking to Skeeter and I know

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that some people find that like no she

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has to argue with him for 30 minutes

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or it's not a good argument. I really

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don't care you make a show where you

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argue with Skeeter for 30 minutes of

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time like I'm not open to it so I've

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purposely been not answering him so we

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called from a different number. So I

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said slow house California sounds like

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a place he would live in a slow

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house for short. Slow house. So

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anyways we were talking about but do

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you guys understand how I at least in

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being consistent on this while Skeeter's

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trying to claim I'm not. I think I think

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you need to I think you're you're how

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do I say this you're thinking it needs

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to be thought out a bit more. No I

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think about it way more than you do.

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I think about it so much more than

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you do. Like you you want to say

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children should they 100% from the

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time they're born own their body

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100% and I say no that's obviously

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not possible. I don't know what you own more

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than something that comes out of your

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body. Like did you think you own your

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car more than the thing that grew inside

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of your body and couldn't exist without

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you. I think I think looking at it in

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terms of property is the wrong way to

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look at it. Then what would you call it.

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I don't think that's the right choice

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word but I'm not disagreeing with you

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obviously but if you had a kid how

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come I can't and I can prove that I

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can give it a better life and you're

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not harming it but I can prove I can

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give it a better life and I can prove

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that it wants to come with me and it's

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newborn somehow I can prove it. How come I

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can't take it? Why can't I take it?

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I don't think the choice is the question

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why can't I take your child? What what

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is the actual reason? Just because you

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want to have it but it wants to go with

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me. It's your property that's why I

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can't take it. If all else is not

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if everything else is above board

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you're not hurting the child like

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somebody can make the case. I'm not

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saying somebody else has a higher

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claim to take care of that child than

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you. I just don't think we should be

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looking at it as property. Just because

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the word makes me uncomfortable and it

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doesn't make me uncomfortable to think

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that when I was a baby I was my

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parent's property. I think it's

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people often times that have bad

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experiences with the parents that make

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something like I don't want to think

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that and I understand where they're

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coming from but it's not a place of

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being absolutely like emotions out of

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the thought process and and logical

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about it because like there has to

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be a reason I can't take your child.

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There has to be a reason with word to it.

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You can do what you want with your

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property. I don't necessarily think a

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parent has an ultimate decision-making

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power as to do whatever they want with

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their property. They can't just throw

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a baby in a garbage can after they

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decide. And everybody seems to think

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that destroying your property is the

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end all be all and you can't call

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it property but I think that there

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can be different types of property.

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You can't destroy something you

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rented one and you own the

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property. And you could still be

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it could still be considered against

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the nap if you're just torturing your

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animals. I know like Richie Rich

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doesn't believe that well I just

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agree with him. And we've had this

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with this argument. The nap is

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regarding people not animals like I

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mean I get what you're saying it's

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there may be other morals that you

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hold it's and sort of the nap is sort

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of the sort of the lowest one.

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Forgetting about the nap right now

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talking about property your animals

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your property correct? Yeah. They're

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forgetting about the nap you're

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saying it doesn't apply to animals.

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I think that if you're just like

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torturing animals in your yard

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skinning animals and somebody took

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it from you I consider that fine.

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Richie Rich doesn't. Richie Rich says

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you could never steal somebody's

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animal from. So you're okay with

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using violence against somebody I

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get you. Violence against somebody

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when they're using violence against

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an animal yes. Right. And most

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people agree with me on the whole

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plan. I know that's an argument

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against. That probably violates

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the nap. But you just said it

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doesn't because you just said it

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it doesn't apply to animals.

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Right. But aren't you saying that

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you're the one who would be using

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the violence against somebody else.

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Okay. Against the person. Okay. I

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thought you were saying something

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else. Sorry. Yeah. No. I understand

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that you think that I can never

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use force against someone in that

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case. You think there's never

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a reason justifiable reason to

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use force against someone in that

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case. I think it's justifiable.

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Well that's not what I said. What

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I said was I think that would

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violate the nap. I don't think

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it would because there are things

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there are times that you can use

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force against someone it doesn't

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violate the nap. Yes. And I say

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in defense of living creatures

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is fine. And you say no. And I get

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we disagree on this nap and you're

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sort of extending it. No. I'm talking

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about defense. You're adding

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additional I'm talking about defense

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of a living creature. And you're

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just saying nap once you even

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though we already said we're not

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talking about the nap. We can it

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can be wrong to do like skin

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animals or torture them or whatever.

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That can be wrong. But that

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doesn't necessarily violate the

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nap. Right. Okay. But we're

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not we stopped talking about that

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like forget if it that violates

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the nap or not. That isn't the

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part that violates the nap. It

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doesn't mean they have to violate

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the nap against the animal for me

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to say that it's right for me to

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stop them from doing it.

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So forget the nap exists. Forget

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you ever heard about the nap. The

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part the part of this is is it

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okay is this justified force that

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I'm using against them. So maybe

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you need to know about the nap

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for that part. But you're trying

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to change it back. No. Under the

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nap. No. It can be under the

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nap. Once I'm saying can I use

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the force against them because

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force is justified sometimes

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right. But then you try to make

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it about the nap again when

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you're saying the animal part and

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that's when it doesn't make any

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sense because you just said the

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nap doesn't play against animals.

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So when is it why isn't it

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justified. Why is it justified to

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stop the harm of a human like

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let's say full grown human but

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not the harm of an animal. Like

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what is the reason just because

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they're human. Listen. Listen.

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I'm not. I'm not. I just want to

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know your opinion. Yeah. Like I'm

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not I'm not trying to give you

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my opinion so much as what I

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think the you know what the

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nap is right. But the nap is

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one sentence. Right. And it's

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well. We have to extrapolate

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things out of it. We have to

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and I agree. And I think I think

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you know ultimately you know

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look it's immoral to do certain

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things but that doesn't

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necessarily mean they violate

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the nap. But tell me why is it

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that you can use force against

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somebody to stop them from

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harming. Let's say a retarded

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human being. Why is that OK.

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But it's not OK to stop them

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from harming an animal that is

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like sometimes more with it

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than a retarded human being

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depending on their retarded

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human being. My parents have an

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adopted kid. I've seen it. It's

18:25.660 --> 18:26.320
you know it's an interesting

18:26.320 --> 18:29.020
question. If the answer is well

18:29.020 --> 18:30.840
once human was not I just I do

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not accept that. Do you see what

18:31.940 --> 18:32.880
I'm saying. I think I don't

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think there's anything

18:33.380 --> 18:35.180
inherently better about humans

18:35.180 --> 18:37.180
than I mean and you may have

18:37.180 --> 18:39.180
like argument to sort of

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extend the nap or some

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variation of the nap. Right.

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Why would it extend it like the

18:43.540 --> 18:44.540
nap is one sentence. We

18:44.540 --> 18:45.680
extrapolate all kinds of things

18:45.680 --> 18:46.580
out of it. You see what I'm

18:46.580 --> 18:48.340
saying. Yeah. I don't see

18:48.340 --> 18:49.380
whether what's I don't think

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upon an animal. Right. Like I

18:51.520 --> 18:52.800
mean here's I think it will get

18:52.800 --> 18:53.720
from another perspective. Right.

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OK. Are you going to use

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violence against somebody who

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eats meat. No because I have

18:58.280 --> 19:00.580
said before that I I don't

19:00.580 --> 19:02.900
think that OK. I didn't finish

19:02.900 --> 19:03.880
the sentence. I didn't finish

19:03.880 --> 19:04.580
what I was saying because

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they're had there sometimes can

19:05.980 --> 19:07.580
be a but they're in a caveat

19:07.580 --> 19:08.860
to things like libertarians

19:08.860 --> 19:09.640
hate that. But they're

19:09.640 --> 19:10.740
candid. But let me let's

19:10.740 --> 19:11.540
continue. Everything's black

19:11.540 --> 19:12.560
and white. It's not. Let's

19:12.560 --> 19:13.880
continuous thought. We do have

19:13.880 --> 19:15.020
color. Things aren't black and

19:15.020 --> 19:15.920
white. Let me just one more

19:15.920 --> 19:17.900
thing. So what about the

19:17.900 --> 19:19.600
the next person to you. Right.

19:19.760 --> 19:20.520
That takes us a little bit

19:20.520 --> 19:22.100
further and says they can use

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violence because you eat me

19:24.200 --> 19:25.440
against. Let's say I'm at least

19:25.440 --> 19:26.440
have it getting to have the

19:26.440 --> 19:27.440
conversation and they don't

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just run over to my place

19:29.280 --> 19:31.060
where I'm slaughtering cows

19:31.060 --> 19:31.840
and stuff and eating them.

19:32.200 --> 19:33.240
This is what I would say to

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them. I would say I am not

19:34.860 --> 19:37.760
just unduly causing harm to

19:37.760 --> 19:39.060
them. I believe that you

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should only eat meat that is

19:40.820 --> 19:41.860
killed in the most humane

19:41.860 --> 19:43.320
way that is raised and

19:43.320 --> 19:44.440
treated the most humanely

19:44.440 --> 19:47.040
because humans can't live

19:47.040 --> 19:49.000
without animals. So like it's

19:49.000 --> 19:50.000
just the natural order. The

19:50.000 --> 19:51.120
other thing is you know how

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you said the nap doesn't

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agree to or doesn't apply to

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animals. Animals don't have

19:55.200 --> 19:56.200
the concept of that. An

19:56.200 --> 19:57.140
animal will eat another

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animal. So the nap the nap

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isn't harmed when they're

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just put to death. But I

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think it is when you're

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causing long term harm to

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an animal. That's

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different. When it comes

20:08.800 --> 20:10.140
down to it is that nap

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is not the end all be all.

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Well it's not. But I'm

20:13.780 --> 20:14.740
just saying I think that I

20:14.740 --> 20:15.720
can make this argument to

20:15.720 --> 20:16.460
somebody and I have

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multiple times other free

20:17.600 --> 20:18.980
status have agreed to me that

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I've changed their mind and

20:19.760 --> 20:21.780
stuff. That there is a big

20:21.780 --> 20:23.160
difference between causing

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long time like let's say it's

20:24.240 --> 20:25.280
like skinning an animal.

20:25.800 --> 20:26.860
Yeah. Because of skinning

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an animal alive. Right.

20:28.800 --> 20:29.400
Yes. Yes. Yeah.

20:29.940 --> 20:31.440
Yeah. And just quickly killing

20:31.440 --> 20:32.760
a dead animal. These are

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morals and you can have

20:33.680 --> 20:35.040
other morals right. But

20:35.040 --> 20:35.680
that doesn't necessarily

20:35.680 --> 20:36.920
mean you can. But there

20:36.920 --> 20:38.140
has to be a time you have

20:38.140 --> 20:39.440
to find out when somebody

20:39.440 --> 20:40.460
can step in and stop it.

20:40.740 --> 20:42.040
You think you think that

20:42.580 --> 20:44.120
there it's never justified.

20:44.300 --> 20:44.960
You would say like that

20:44.960 --> 20:46.480
person's being evil because

20:46.480 --> 20:47.660
that's when you say somebody's

20:47.660 --> 20:48.740
aggressing against the nap that

20:48.740 --> 20:49.560
means they're being evil.

20:49.740 --> 20:51.300
You think it's being evil to

20:51.300 --> 20:52.740
take an animal away from

20:52.740 --> 20:53.660
somebody who's who's being

20:53.660 --> 20:54.620
like maybe they want to keep

20:54.620 --> 20:55.480
it alive for a whole year.

20:55.680 --> 20:56.520
I'm slowly skinning it.

20:56.540 --> 20:57.560
All I'm saying is I think

20:57.560 --> 20:58.640
it I think it would violate

20:58.640 --> 21:00.180
the nap whether or not it's

21:00.180 --> 21:00.900
the right thing to do.

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That's another matter.

21:01.620 --> 21:03.220
But yeah. I think it

21:03.220 --> 21:04.020
violates the nap.

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OK. So to bring it back

21:06.440 --> 21:07.640
to the children well maybe we

21:07.640 --> 21:08.560
should do you want to

21:08.560 --> 21:09.260
answer the call first.

21:09.500 --> 21:10.120
Why don't we answer the call.

21:10.660 --> 21:11.780
It's Tom from New Hampshire

21:11.780 --> 21:12.940
and I'm not sure if you're

21:12.940 --> 21:13.780
calling about the same topic

21:13.780 --> 21:14.880
we're talking about or if

21:14.880 --> 21:16.140
you're wanting to change the

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subject what's on your mind Tom.

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I want to talk about the war

21:19.940 --> 21:21.020
against Venezuela.

21:21.720 --> 21:23.720
It's being waged for obviously

21:23.720 --> 21:24.460
for oil.

21:25.500 --> 21:26.520
Yeah. I think he's going on

21:26.520 --> 21:28.100
said it's for oil right mostly

21:28.100 --> 21:30.100
or yeah in large part.

21:30.180 --> 21:31.480
I did. He kind of said it was

21:31.480 --> 21:33.480
like in order to get back

21:33.480 --> 21:34.900
our what they stole from us

21:34.900 --> 21:36.060
which is sounds crazy but

21:36.680 --> 21:38.060
his reference would be to the

21:38.060 --> 21:40.200
oil companies and the land

21:40.200 --> 21:42.480
basically that U.S. companies

21:42.480 --> 21:44.440
had control of you know back

21:44.880 --> 21:46.080
30 40 years ago.

21:47.180 --> 21:49.000
Well the oil companies

21:49.000 --> 21:51.600
invested in a lot of

21:51.600 --> 21:53.340
grilling and stuff down there

21:53.340 --> 21:56.780
and then the Venezuelan

21:56.780 --> 21:58.560
government stole all of their

21:58.560 --> 22:00.240
property but that's

22:00.240 --> 22:01.680
you know that's the way it goes

22:01.680 --> 22:03.100
just like you get mugged on the

22:03.100 --> 22:04.300
street of Tijuana.

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It's the San Diego police

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cannot help you because it

22:07.360 --> 22:07.980
happened outside.

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We gotta talk about taxes

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after this.

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Well yeah we can keep you on

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the line if you want to

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keep talking about this Tom

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and we can bring it into

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the conversation about taxes

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as well.

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is the phone number that

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more free talk live coming up

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talking about Venezuela

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the non-aggression principle

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all kinds of things more

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coming up.

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A congressman recently

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revealed that legislation

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totaling 2900 pages

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Do you think anyone read

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From feature story

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news in Washington

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I'm Tony Waterman.

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President Donald Trump says

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the US is locked

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and loaded

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and ready to go.

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If peaceful protesters

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are killed in Iran

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nationwide unrest

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he issued the warning

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in an early morning

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post to social media

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saying the US

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will come to the rescue

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of peaceful protesters.

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Mass demonstrations

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erupted a week ago

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in major cities

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like Tehran

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but have since spread

23:58.160 --> 23:59.260
to smaller towns

23:59.260 --> 24:00.720
as citizens vent

24:00.720 --> 24:01.580
their frustration

24:01.580 --> 24:03.020
over the worsening economy

24:03.020 --> 24:04.540
at least six people

24:04.540 --> 24:05.320
have been killed

24:05.320 --> 24:06.920
and 17 wounded.

24:07.280 --> 24:08.280
It's the biggest threat

24:08.280 --> 24:09.260
to Iran's government

24:09.260 --> 24:10.500
since 2022

24:10.930 --> 24:12.280
when protests erupted

24:12.280 --> 24:14.040
over the death of a young woman

24:14.040 --> 24:15.840
who was arrested for allegedly

24:15.840 --> 24:18.100
not wearing her hijab correctly.

24:18.700 --> 24:19.900
In response to Trump's

24:19.900 --> 24:20.700
latest threat

24:20.700 --> 24:21.620
Iran says

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it will not allow

24:22.660 --> 24:23.820
foreign interference

24:23.820 --> 24:24.600
in the country.

24:25.360 --> 24:26.680
Tensions between Tehran

24:26.680 --> 24:27.240
and Washington

24:27.240 --> 24:28.500
have intensified

24:28.500 --> 24:29.560
in recent weeks.

24:30.040 --> 24:30.840
Just on Monday

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Trump said he'd order

24:32.100 --> 24:33.400
more strikes on Iran

24:33.400 --> 24:34.780
if it tries to rebuild

24:34.780 --> 24:36.280
its nuclear capabilities

24:36.280 --> 24:37.300
after the US

24:37.300 --> 24:38.640
destroyed some sites

24:38.640 --> 24:39.260
in June.

24:40.200 --> 24:40.940
Swiss authorities

24:40.940 --> 24:42.300
continue to identify

24:42.300 --> 24:43.000
the victims

24:43.000 --> 24:44.800
of a deadly New Year's Eve

24:44.800 --> 24:45.820
nightclub fire.

24:46.360 --> 24:47.360
They say sparklers

24:47.360 --> 24:48.500
on champagne bottles

24:48.500 --> 24:50.020
held too closely

24:50.020 --> 24:50.820
to the ceiling

24:50.820 --> 24:52.700
are to blame for the blaze.

24:53.120 --> 24:54.420
At least 40 people

24:54.420 --> 24:55.000
were killed

24:55.000 --> 24:56.860
and more than 100 others

24:56.860 --> 24:57.600
were injured

24:57.600 --> 24:59.000
the majority of whom

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are in intensive care.

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France is among

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several European nations

25:03.560 --> 25:05.060
treating some of the victims.

25:05.820 --> 25:06.580
FSN's

25:06.580 --> 25:07.820
Ross Cullen reports.

25:08.860 --> 25:10.000
People who suffered burns

25:10.000 --> 25:10.920
in the fatal fire

25:10.920 --> 25:11.880
are being looked after

25:11.880 --> 25:13.120
in hospitals in Paris

25:13.120 --> 25:13.860
and in Lyon

25:13.860 --> 25:15.060
where France's top

25:15.060 --> 25:16.040
plastic surgeons

25:16.040 --> 25:16.760
are on standby

25:16.760 --> 25:17.400
to assist

25:17.400 --> 25:18.140
with specialist

25:18.140 --> 25:19.440
reconstructive care

25:19.440 --> 25:20.400
for burns victims.

25:20.860 --> 25:21.660
French citizens

25:21.660 --> 25:22.720
were among those injured

25:22.720 --> 25:23.420
and there are still

25:23.420 --> 25:24.220
French nationals

25:24.220 --> 25:24.520
missing

25:24.520 --> 25:25.560
with several Italians

25:25.560 --> 25:27.060
also unaccounted for.

25:27.500 --> 25:28.060
Police are working

25:28.060 --> 25:28.720
to identify

25:28.720 --> 25:29.460
all the victims

25:29.460 --> 25:30.500
and investigate

25:30.500 --> 25:31.800
how the fire started.

25:32.100 --> 25:32.700
It broke out

25:32.700 --> 25:33.980
in the constellation bar

25:33.980 --> 25:35.260
in the Swiss Ski Resort

25:35.260 --> 25:36.280
of Cons Montana

25:36.280 --> 25:37.380
in the early hours

25:37.380 --> 25:38.420
of New Year's Day.

25:38.880 --> 25:40.840
Senior Israeli prison officials

25:40.840 --> 25:42.920
have visited a crocodile farm

25:42.920 --> 25:44.440
after a top official

25:44.440 --> 25:45.380
proposed building

25:45.380 --> 25:47.380
a new high security prison

25:47.380 --> 25:49.800
surrounded by the deadly reptile.

25:50.320 --> 25:52.320
FSN's Blake Sifton reports

25:52.320 --> 25:53.400
from Tel Aviv.

25:54.020 --> 25:55.260
A delegation led

25:55.260 --> 25:56.520
by the deputy commissioner

25:56.520 --> 25:58.120
of Israel's prison service

25:58.120 --> 26:00.060
visited a crocodile farm

26:00.060 --> 26:00.800
on Thursday

26:00.800 --> 26:01.600
to learn about

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crocodile care

26:02.540 --> 26:03.280
and handling.

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Last week

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far right

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national security minister

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Ben Gurvir

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proposed building

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a new detention facility

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surrounded by crocodiles

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to hold Palestinian prisoners

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jailed for security offenses.

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He suggested the plan

26:16.360 --> 26:17.360
would prevent escapes

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and act as a deterrent

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and said it was inspired

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by the alligator

26:20.960 --> 26:22.720
Alcatraz detention facility

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and we do still have

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Tom from New Hampshire

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on the line

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and he was calling in about

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the war

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in Venezuela

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isn't it a war still?

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I mean like

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I wonder what

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they're gonna call it

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a police action

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jeez a war

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I mean that's interesting

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I don't know honestly

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like he called a war

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I think it's probably

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it's not a war

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in the sense that

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the United States

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has not declared war

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Yeah but when did we

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didn't declare war

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in Afghanistan either?

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No and I think those are

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I think it makes

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it based on it

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it's an illegal act

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based on the people

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who empower

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and those who are

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following those orders

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My brand hadn't even

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gotten there yet

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I hadn't thought about

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that part like

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that did

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they do the proper

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order of operations

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that like the Constitution

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says you have to do

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in order to capture Maduro

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No they said

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well he says he did it

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in conjunction with

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law enforcement

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so it's a police action

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it does not have power

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Yeah they're saying

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they went to extradite him

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they sent him into arrest

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It doesn't have authority

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overseas

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see it would have to be

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working with the

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the Venezuelan government

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for it to be legal

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But the DEA

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what about the DEA

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don't they have authority

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over

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they don't

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they don't have authority

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they don't have authority

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Oh in South America anyway

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it's in working

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with in cooperation

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with the governments

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of those countries

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that makes a lot of sense

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that

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I don't understand then

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it's the governments

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of those countries

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that are doing the arrest

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and then

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and clearly Maduro

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would be the government

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of Venezuela

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and this was done

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without the consent

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of the government

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of Venezuela

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the Venezuelan police

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would have had to arrest

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arrest them

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and then extradite

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not the US

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and the US can

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go in and help

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but they can't

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they can't

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they have no authority

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within Venezuela

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Well okay

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well let's say

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if there was an opposition

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government within Venezuela

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kind of like

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a continental congress

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that allowed

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the US to take out

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Maduro

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and they claimed

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that they were

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the sovereign

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controllers

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you know

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like the anti-communists

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group of

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so there was a civil war

29:36.390 --> 29:37.110
you're basically saying

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there was a civil war

29:38.070 --> 29:38.690
in Venezuela

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and

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the US government

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wants to support one side

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or I mean

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are they not at odds

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I mean

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I'm just saying

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we weren't at

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in a full like

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war with

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Great Britain

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when we first made

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the continental congress

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I mean I think you

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I think

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I think

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like from a constitutional

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perspective

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you would need

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to declare war

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I think so too

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that's what I've always heard

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but

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let's talk to

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Tom

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because that's what he called

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then about Tom

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you called it a war

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what makes you

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what makes you call

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a door

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in Venezuela

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well

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uh Trump

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is wanted

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in Iran

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right now

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for

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on a

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arrest warrant

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because

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he is

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charged with

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murdering an

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Iranian general

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I imagine that

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Iranian forces

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were to

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swarm into

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Washington DC

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and

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in the White House

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and capture

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she captured

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not kidnapped

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capture

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an arrest

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Donald Trump

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and bring him back

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to Iran

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that's the equivalent

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of what

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Trump is doing to Maduro

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yeah it's

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this is an active war

30:36.950 --> 30:37.430
I and I

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I think that's a fair statement

30:38.690 --> 30:38.990
I

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it's just not a

30:40.350 --> 30:40.710
legal

30:40.710 --> 30:42.370
um declaration of war

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and

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and they're talking about

30:44.310 --> 30:45.250
what look at all the

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human rights violations

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yeah well

30:47.290 --> 30:48.850
the legal drinking age

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in the district of Colombia

30:49.930 --> 30:50.650
is 21

30:50.650 --> 30:51.930
that's a justification

30:51.930 --> 30:52.690
to overthrow

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the federal government

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isn't it

30:54.710 --> 30:55.330
uh yes

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now

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if

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the it's just a matter

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of the Iranian government

30:59.570 --> 31:00.770
doesn't have

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the military

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power

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to get into Washington DC

31:04.310 --> 31:05.330
and the United States

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bureaucrats

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currently

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still have enough power

31:08.670 --> 31:10.510
to pull a stunt like that

31:10.510 --> 31:11.170
but

31:11.750 --> 31:13.230
keep in mind when Trump

31:13.870 --> 31:14.890
what is

31:14.890 --> 31:15.830
bothering Trump

31:15.830 --> 31:17.650
not only is the nationalization

31:17.650 --> 31:18.270
of

31:18.270 --> 31:19.850
the oil companies

31:19.850 --> 31:20.850
but that they were

31:20.850 --> 31:21.950
not working on the

31:21.950 --> 31:22.710
petrodollar

31:23.350 --> 31:23.750
using

31:23.750 --> 31:25.290
the United States dollar

31:25.290 --> 31:26.130
as the

31:26.130 --> 31:26.870
currency

31:26.870 --> 31:27.510
for

31:27.510 --> 31:29.010
international commerce

31:29.010 --> 31:30.130
in petroleum

31:30.130 --> 31:31.070
they were

31:31.070 --> 31:31.690
going to

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you

31:32.270 --> 31:33.250
they were going to be using

31:33.250 --> 31:34.630
breaking away from that

31:34.630 --> 31:35.290
and

31:35.290 --> 31:36.970
the United States bureaucrats

31:36.970 --> 31:38.330
really really really want

31:38.330 --> 31:40.090
all international trade to be

31:40.090 --> 31:40.650
uh

31:40.650 --> 31:41.610
transacted

31:41.610 --> 31:43.010
on US dollars deposited

31:43.500 --> 31:44.850
in United States banks

31:44.850 --> 31:46.810
and the US dollar by the way

31:46.810 --> 31:48.390
has dropped 38%

31:48.390 --> 31:49.950
in value against gold

31:49.950 --> 31:51.750
just since January 20th

31:51.750 --> 31:52.210
the day

31:52.210 --> 31:53.970
that Donald Trump took office

31:54.700 --> 31:56.210
the highest price I saw

31:56.210 --> 31:57.390
during that day on a chart

31:57.390 --> 31:58.530
was 2712

31:58.530 --> 31:59.250
announced

31:59.250 --> 31:59.930
and now it's in the

31:59.930 --> 32:00.770
4300

32:00.770 --> 32:02.110
announced and it's

32:02.110 --> 32:02.490
because

32:02.490 --> 32:04.430
the dollar has dropped in value

32:04.430 --> 32:05.530
it's not like gold became

32:05.530 --> 32:06.250
more valuable

32:06.810 --> 32:08.050
it's a triumph of gold

32:08.050 --> 32:10.910
it's still 31.1034768

32:10.910 --> 32:11.730
grams of gold

32:11.730 --> 32:13.050
that didn't go up in value

32:13.050 --> 32:13.470
it didn't

32:13.470 --> 32:14.810
doesn't go down in value

32:14.810 --> 32:15.810
it's the gold standard

32:16.310 --> 32:16.610
but

32:16.610 --> 32:18.890
the dollar has plundered

32:18.890 --> 32:19.490
that much

32:19.490 --> 32:20.530
just since

32:20.530 --> 32:22.790
January of 2025

32:23.530 --> 32:25.330
and they really really want to

32:25.330 --> 32:26.270
keep the gold

32:27.070 --> 32:28.610
the US dollar standard

32:28.610 --> 32:30.110
because they you know

32:30.110 --> 32:30.970
as they say

32:30.970 --> 32:32.110
roses are red

32:32.110 --> 32:33.010
violets are blue

32:33.010 --> 32:34.450
taxation is theft

32:34.450 --> 32:35.810
and inflation is too

32:35.810 --> 32:36.990
and so they get

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they stole all that money

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out of all those dollars

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they stole 38% of the

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all the dollars in circulation

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essentially by

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devaluing them

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it's uh

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just like you know

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the ancient kings

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who would

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take that

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use

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issue coins the same

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mass

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as the previous ones

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but instead of being

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a solid gold there

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diluted them down

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40% 30%

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10 you know

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until

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almost no gold in them

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and they ordered everybody

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to take them

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or you're going to be put to death

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while they're trying to order

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the Venezuelans

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to take these dollars

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or get invaded

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and then spending your tax money

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to prop up the US dollar

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and the profits of banks

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and uh

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financing of the federal debt

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don't call it the national debt

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the nation is a community

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it's a federal government

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that is

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uh

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borrowing all that money

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by the way

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yeah i don't know anything

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in the

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national debt

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i agree it's what they did

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it's uh

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by the way

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they've been taking

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one seventh of my

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lifetime earnings

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through the social security tax

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and the employer match

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and obviously it's not like

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the employer is paying

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that match

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they have to

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reduce your

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base pay accordingly

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because your labor

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has to be worth

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the grand total of everything

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they're paying for

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salary and benefits

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and social security

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and everything

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yeah it's

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it's also

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it's worth pointing out

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that it's not one seven

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that's just the social security

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part of it

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there's way more than one

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seventh that they're taking

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from everybody

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it's it's closer to 90

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something percent

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i'm filing for social

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security benefits

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and uh

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the uh

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website

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uh says

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oh well there's a problem

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you have to call us

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at this number

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and get this

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when you hear

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how can i help you today

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please say

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help desk

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they want me to babble back

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to a robot

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and i'm not going to babble

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to a robot

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and i sent the uh

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commissioner of social security

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a letter today

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explaining

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i don't go for this

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babble to the robot

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nonsense

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or navigate

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respond to menu

34:43.090 --> 34:44.230
menu prompts

34:44.230 --> 34:45.790
i wait until

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the machine gives up

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and directs the call

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to a human

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you can press zero sometimes

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sometimes i just

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i just press zero

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when i hear a directory

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and it takes me right

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to a human

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i just scream representative

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oh yes

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or if i'm on the phone

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it's a robot

34:57.370 --> 34:57.750
i just say

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representative

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talk to a representative

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i do the same thing

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i don't i don't babble to the robot

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i wait until it connects

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and

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um

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i had a bunch of trash to remove

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i called

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a trash company

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was a very easy to remember

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phone number

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and they don't answer the phone

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unless you babble to a robot

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or navigate menu

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so i called another one

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simple enough thing to do

35:17.170 --> 35:18.230
but what can you do when

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you've got a government

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bureaucracy forcing people to

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pay out taxes

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all your life

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and so

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uh i wrote this nasty letter

35:27.070 --> 35:28.050
because uh commissioner

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i mailed that out today

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saying uh

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you know if your machine

35:31.710 --> 35:32.350
had simply

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directed the call

35:33.630 --> 35:34.610
to an agent

35:35.170 --> 35:36.610
i wouldn't be here

35:36.610 --> 35:37.890
i might have gotten this resolved

35:37.890 --> 35:38.570
by now

35:38.570 --> 35:39.950
and i wouldn't be sitting here

35:39.950 --> 35:40.810
reminding you

35:40.810 --> 35:42.750
that if you enjoy that warm

35:42.750 --> 35:43.710
feeling you get

35:43.710 --> 35:45.350
by making your victims babble

35:45.350 --> 35:45.890
to robots

35:46.520 --> 35:48.470
you can get a warmer feeling

35:48.470 --> 35:49.630
by pouring gasoline

35:49.630 --> 35:50.590
all over yourself

35:50.590 --> 35:51.670
and lighting a match

35:51.670 --> 35:53.270
and you might even get

35:53.270 --> 35:54.390
a warmer feeling

35:54.390 --> 35:54.850
yes

35:54.850 --> 35:56.270
if you don't repent of your

35:56.270 --> 35:56.890
wicked ways

35:56.890 --> 35:58.630
and beg god to forgive you

35:58.630 --> 35:59.410
see

35:59.410 --> 36:00.330
i'm not

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threatening to do anything to

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me

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yeah that's a good point

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what he believes

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that god might do

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to him

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and uh

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that you don't win

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by inciting my anger

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because

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time is on my side

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you are busy

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and i'm not

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and i have thought

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the longer it takes the more

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me every time i get a fight

36:19.770 --> 36:21.190
with somebody on signal all day

36:21.190 --> 36:22.590
and i don't have anything to do all

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day

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the monthly payments go up

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every month

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that i have to wait

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and then

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uh

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i can have time

36:32.450 --> 36:34.030
to look over the chess board

36:34.030 --> 36:35.610
like a merciless chess player

36:35.610 --> 36:37.730
will be for every legal move

36:37.730 --> 36:39.370
to make you wish you hadn't

36:39.370 --> 36:40.210
pulled this on me

36:40.210 --> 36:41.930
and through that telephone

36:41.930 --> 36:43.310
are you happy now

36:43.310 --> 36:44.590
and you know and

36:45.350 --> 36:46.470
mail that to the commissioner

36:46.470 --> 36:47.750
and cc

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us representative

36:49.210 --> 36:51.070
maggie goodlander cc

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uh the northeast regional

36:53.610 --> 36:54.830
communications director

36:54.830 --> 36:57.530
the national communications director

36:57.530 --> 36:58.510
down in baltimore

36:58.510 --> 36:59.810
uh yell yeah

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and the office of the inspector general

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uh of social security

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oh yeah

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send it off to them

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i got nothing better to do i mean

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i can send nasty grams out there

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and

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you know this sounds like a form of

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activism just annoying

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government workers all day

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yeah i the only

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the only thing here is

37:16.970 --> 37:18.230
i would say that i wouldn't want

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to be doing it some random location

37:19.750 --> 37:20.750
i would want to be doing it new

37:20.750 --> 37:21.630
hampshire specifically

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because there's enough other people

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doing it alone individually spread out

37:25.650 --> 37:26.950
you know we achieve nothing but

37:26.950 --> 37:28.770
concentrated we we actually this

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does have an effect

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i i think um if that could be a form

37:31.590 --> 37:33.650
of activism just a free stater is

37:33.650 --> 37:35.390
calling your hampshire government

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goons all day to irritate them and

37:37.250 --> 37:39.690
cause them to uh spend more money

37:39.690 --> 37:40.010
being

37:40.010 --> 37:42.730
you know paid for doing nothing like

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like i want to put in records

37:44.330 --> 37:44.670
request

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every single day

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or out something that doesn't

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matter that much

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yeah i don't know i don't know if that

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specifically um as long as they're

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free records request i don't know if

37:52.050 --> 37:53.830
that specifically is is the way to go

37:53.830 --> 37:55.830
but certainly i'm not saying it's the

37:55.830 --> 37:57.470
best the most important form of

37:57.470 --> 37:58.730
activism well because what happens is

37:58.730 --> 38:00.030
you end up you abuse the system and

38:00.030 --> 38:01.690
then they then they pass a law to

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stop us from being able to get the

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records which is probably useful but

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certainly um you know going to your

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you know like filming going around

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and filming your different offices and

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things i think it's been great

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activism that's happened in new

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hampshire oh yeah filming and then

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also putting it like putting in um

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bureaucrats never like people

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filming yeah or not just filming but

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putting in a

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complaint like doa and i put in a

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complaint filing complaints yeah that's

38:23.190 --> 38:24.590
almost so mad it was elizabeth dragon

38:25.290 --> 38:27.710
yep file in new ham or the keen city

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councilor like top dog ever what she's

38:29.690 --> 38:31.390
called like no she's the city manager

38:31.390 --> 38:33.290
and his dragon definitely one second

38:33.290 --> 38:35.390
be founded because when when it was

38:35.390 --> 38:37.610
founded if it was founded it can

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negatively affect at least law

38:38.930 --> 38:39.250
enforcement

38:39.250 --> 38:41.970
um i'm not sure it would she but she's

38:41.970 --> 38:43.830
a she was uh we complained against her

38:43.830 --> 38:45.810
for not taking any action when

38:45.810 --> 38:52.490
a made a meter made um wouldn't answer

38:52.490 --> 38:54.710
what his name was he wouldn't tell us

38:54.710 --> 38:55.910
what his name was so we went and

38:55.910 --> 38:57.650
complained to elizabeth dragon and she

38:57.650 --> 38:58.710
wouldn't do anything about it so we

38:58.710 --> 39:00.670
put a former complaint or a former

39:00.670 --> 39:02.510
mold complaint about her interesting

39:02.510 --> 39:04.770
it uh so wait you specify you gotta

39:04.770 --> 39:06.190
clarify one thing who is she

39:06.190 --> 39:08.290
elizabeth dragon is a city manager i

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think it's called in keen okay she's

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like sometimes they have more power

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than the mayor it just depends on like

39:13.270 --> 39:15.290
your local yeah your local system

39:15.290 --> 39:17.910
so like i'm a it sounds like keen has a

39:17.910 --> 39:19.410
super powerful city manager

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so she probably has a lot of i think

39:21.990 --> 39:23.730
that's probably why they put in the

39:23.730 --> 39:25.570
complaint to her i don't know do you

39:25.570 --> 39:27.850
know against her is she so she's

39:27.850 --> 39:30.750
she's hired probably by the city i

39:30.750 --> 39:32.650
wonder what the um founding see see i

39:32.650 --> 39:34.090
know with law enforcement if you if

39:34.090 --> 39:35.690
you file a complaint and it's founded

39:35.690 --> 39:37.470
then that goes against them like on

39:37.470 --> 39:39.270
like uh when they go to let's see um

39:39.270 --> 39:40.670
i'm trying to think what it's called

39:40.670 --> 39:43.530
like for like wage increases and

39:43.530 --> 39:45.910
things like that um it can affect them

39:45.910 --> 39:48.010
it's city manager yeah i don't know how

39:48.010 --> 39:49.690
that would affect the city manager though

39:49.690 --> 39:51.290
i don't know honestly about any of that

39:51.290 --> 39:53.710
either way they didn't like it well

39:53.710 --> 39:54.690
that's what if they don't like it

39:54.690 --> 39:56.030
that's probably a good thing for for us

39:56.030 --> 39:57.830
to do yeah then because the thing is

39:57.830 --> 40:00.470
like if the thing is like the government

40:00.470 --> 40:02.150
used to be something where you only

40:02.150 --> 40:03.730
joined it as almost like oh i don't

40:03.730 --> 40:05.470
really want to do this but i'm going

40:05.470 --> 40:07.090
to do it anyway as a servant to the

40:07.090 --> 40:08.870
people around me and now it's become

40:08.870 --> 40:10.830
this cushy job you make more than

40:10.830 --> 40:12.610
the average people around you you

40:12.610 --> 40:14.730
want to be and then you think how dare

40:14.730 --> 40:17.670
the plebes complained about me and they

40:17.670 --> 40:19.410
need to lose that attitude i don't know

40:19.410 --> 40:21.470
it's ever been that way exactly it's

40:21.470 --> 40:23.110
exactly it's now it's it's it's been

40:23.110 --> 40:25.370
advertised as they're the servants right

40:25.370 --> 40:26.590
but i don't know that's ever actually

40:26.590 --> 40:28.530
been the case um unfortunately whether

40:28.530 --> 40:29.990
it's been the case or not it's supposed

40:29.990 --> 40:31.830
to have been is the point yes i agree

40:31.830 --> 40:33.430
hundred percent um we've been we've

40:33.430 --> 40:34.930
been it's supposed to be they're

40:34.930 --> 40:36.770
serving us but they don't serve us

40:37.290 --> 40:38.890
in and beyond that they go way beyond

40:38.890 --> 40:40.170
that and think like we're they're

40:40.170 --> 40:40.910
like our gods

40:40.910 --> 40:42.950
so yeah for sure thank you for the call

40:42.950 --> 40:44.670
tom in new hampshire and we now have

40:44.670 --> 40:46.850
david lee in colorado the colorado

40:46.850 --> 40:48.830
david you're on free talk live or maybe

40:48.830 --> 40:50.870
you're in with uh sorry uh

40:52.030 --> 40:53.730
wyoming wyoming now i almost have

40:53.730 --> 40:55.330
wisconsin that's the only w i could

40:55.330 --> 40:56.730
pull out of my head all of a sudden

40:56.730 --> 40:58.610
um but david lee what's on your mind

40:59.190 --> 41:00.890
hey uh yeah and in colorado

41:00.890 --> 41:04.690
okay uh so uh yet another person who is

41:04.690 --> 41:07.370
trying to solve the ai alignment

41:07.370 --> 41:09.370
problem without using the government

41:09.970 --> 41:10.810
what's his name

41:11.650 --> 41:13.410
not actually there's not an actually

41:13.410 --> 41:15.410
enough people working on this but the

41:15.410 --> 41:17.430
ones i find i'm trying to make sure the

41:17.430 --> 41:18.850
world knows about them a little bit

41:18.850 --> 41:20.670
because they're kind of my heroes

41:20.670 --> 41:24.130
so um this guy's name is michael jennings

41:24.670 --> 41:26.910
and he's not very well known and his

41:26.910 --> 41:28.630
his solution is a little bit difficult

41:28.630 --> 41:30.330
for me to explain he's a writer on

41:30.330 --> 41:33.050
medium dot com uh but i guess he's

41:33.050 --> 41:35.130
also some either an amateur scientist

41:35.130 --> 41:36.770
or a real scientist i don't know

41:36.770 --> 41:40.110
but his his solution is what uh i guess

41:40.110 --> 41:43.990
you could call it um providing uh

41:43.990 --> 41:47.230
providing freedom uh but not providing

41:47.230 --> 41:49.290
a lot of capability so you let the

41:49.290 --> 41:52.030
you let an ai kind of grow like a child

41:52.030 --> 41:55.430
would in a playpen then then a in a

41:55.430 --> 41:57.450
full room then a house and so forth

41:57.450 --> 41:58.310
does that make sense

41:59.590 --> 42:02.090
a child no i see i see what he's

42:02.090 --> 42:03.370
saying girl like a child yeah sorry

42:03.370 --> 42:05.530
what what what is this supposed to i

42:05.530 --> 42:07.650
alignment problem that dave calls in

42:07.650 --> 42:10.030
about a lot is the the problem of a guy

42:10.030 --> 42:12.370
people have done models in in seeing

42:12.370 --> 42:15.970
that ai will more likely see uh go with

42:15.970 --> 42:19.950
itself interest gain or self self um

42:19.950 --> 42:22.890
selfish gain sorry for for other ai

42:22.890 --> 42:25.310
then it will be to be pro human and

42:25.310 --> 42:27.090
pro human freedom is that basically

42:27.090 --> 42:30.850
correct dave yeah i i define ai

42:30.850 --> 42:34.050
alignment as being compatible uh or

42:34.050 --> 42:36.690
you know aligned with uh with human

42:36.690 --> 42:38.870
flourishing does it make sense yep human

42:38.870 --> 42:41.750
interest human flourishing okay yeah

42:41.750 --> 42:43.530
doesn't that all depend on depend on the

42:43.530 --> 42:47.270
data that's being inputted sort of but

42:47.270 --> 42:48.930
what what jennings is saying again is

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michael jennings he's saying the

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problem is that they're you keep

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putting constraints on ai as opposed to

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giving it freedom within limited

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capabilities so again if you're if

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you're a kid and all you got is

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constraints right but you're not gonna

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you're gonna you might grow up bad

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that actually is his idea i've seen people

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say that that's definitely true with

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with um like psychologists will say

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that's definitely true yeah like you

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know like pks i don't know what that

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means what a pk is that sounds like

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for police kid or pastors kid um

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they're they're always the worst oh

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yeah um just like super super and

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they weren't allowed to see anything

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in the world they were not allowed

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to test that don't even taste alcohol

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stuff like that don't don't read

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harry potter and we definitely know

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that um in america people have worst

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problems in their young 20s with alcohol

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than they do in europe because of the

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fact that you're up there allowed to

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drink earlier yep so i i think that

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this is all probably right on go go

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ahead uh ridley so his vision is quote

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early ai as he says quote early ai

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operates with minimal resources limited

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scope guided by humans who model

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wisdom rather than enforce compliance

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unclose modeling wisdom rather than

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enforcing it so like they i get to

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basically choose that it treated like a

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parent would treat a kid uh and he says

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quote it experiences they own it i'm

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just kidding he said quote it

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experiences consequences it learned

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unclose okay that sounds i mean like

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since we we all have basically agreed

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that there's a solid reason why

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we should believe that this would work

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with kids i can i think that it makes a

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lot of sense to me that this would work

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with ai but i just think that since ai

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isn't a human it's possible that it

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would just be like no i'm skipping all

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that emotional stuff and i'm just

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going to go straight to the i mean

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it's logical i need to help me i don't

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know it's possible it's interesting so

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i i think if i understand correctly

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you're basically giving it limited

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data and or restricting what data you

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input which which would make sense

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but it is interesting because once you

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input data that may have some flaws in

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it um and maybe the ai goes off in a

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direction that you don't want it to you

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know with a child um you know yeah yeah

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discipline the child um is usually what

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happens and i i don't know um it's i

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don't know it's interesting i don't

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know like you can't how you can't

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really discipline ai i guess you can

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put like constraints on it but it's

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still doing those things i think

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you just have to flash it at that

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point you just have to kill it and make

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another one yeah yeah i mean there's no

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way there's no way to rectify the issue

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if there's bad data going into it yeah

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yeah yeah yeah i mean you have to be

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really careful about the data that

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you're inputting i guess well if you

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were treating it like your child you'd

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be careful with the stuff you're

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feeding your kids to you might have

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to be even more careful when in avar

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like your child because you can't

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discipline the ai i mean you can only

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put constraints on it after the fact

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but that's just gonna sort of

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camouflage the problem underneath

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so that you have to build like

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multiples at the same time and then when

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they messed up you just have to you

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just have to cook it cook the whole

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program yeah or just revert back undo

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a layer something like that maybe yeah

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of course you can only go back so many

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layers so i yeah i don't know i mean i

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guess you could tweak the data input

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it in and start over again each time

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that you find bad data maybe you

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didn't want the if to have and it

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did something that you didn't want

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if you if you have an ai that you

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suspect of being dangerous or going

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bad or whatever there is a humane

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solution to that and and i've never

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heard anyone talk about this before

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but basically it is to base to just

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kind of freeze the ai in place until

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there's a stronger system capable of

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overseeing it and keeping it from

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causing any harm that way you're

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not you're not eliminated if it is

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conscious you're not you're not

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eliminating a conscious being that way

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i don't think ai is conscious it's just

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a language model but i currently don't

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either and i honestly don't see it

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happening and i think you have said

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the same thing but it's not if it does

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yeah then it becomes a really important

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question i think i think you you could

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have something that sort of has

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consciousness probably through like

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if you were to model say you know a

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brain for example but right now i mean

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i don't know how far that along they are

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as far as um you know modeling a brain

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but like from what i understand it's

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something along a couple years ago

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anyway it was something along the lines

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of um basically the the intelligence of

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a worm right um so it you know it's um

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that's kind of where it was a couple

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years ago so

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so he also points out that when you

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if you have a child it it's

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generally done in the united states when

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a child when the parent raises a child

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they teach the child that coercion is

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going to create resistance and the child

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learns that trying to coerce people

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doesn't really usually work very well

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and he's advocating again providing

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that same lesson to uh to an ai through

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simulations

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um let's just like tell them like if

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you hurt someone else they're going

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to want to hurt you back something

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like that yeah but they i isn't they

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just it doesn't it doesn't work

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experience it they experience it

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inside the simulation do you think again

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his ideas i'm sorry good oh i want to

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test penguin what do you mean what

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doesn't work like that like they can't

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experience

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yeah like i mean there's not a negative

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consequence that's going to occur from

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any like a simulated experience to the

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ai because the ai isn't a being it

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doesn't have it doesn't know you know

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what it doesn't even know what you

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told me yesterday necessarily like

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well that's one thing that could been

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going well actually with ai development

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is that they discovered it is actually

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easy pretty easy to punish an ai i mean

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i'm not sure that's always a good thing

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i think the punish is not quite the

48:54.910 --> 48:55.950
right choice word because the thing is

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it but it's it will pretend it was

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punished here's the thing it i think

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it's just pretending it was punished

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because the thing is like they do this

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thing where they threaten to shut it

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off and it's like please don't shut me

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off because it knows that a human

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being would say please don't kill me you

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see what i mean that's what i think

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yeah it's it's basically modeling other

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humans and like you know what's out there

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on the internet right people don't want

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to die therefore models not wanting to

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die another thing it it will do is it

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will say that when you leave the room

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and don't talk to it it's like being

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alive with absolutely nobody to talk

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to for hundreds of years and it's

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time have you ever heard about one

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okay i'd have to pull it up so i

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don't i don't know if i have

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it they say it's like torture yeah

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that's definitely one that people have

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been worrying about

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uh oh is that something you told us

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sorry that thing that just yeah yeah

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that may have come from that may have

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come from me um but i'm not the

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originator of the idea but the the

49:50.990 --> 49:54.590
point is that if anything ai has seems

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to be proving that it has strong

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desires to make certain things happen

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and move in certain directions it

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that's actually almost hard to to pull

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out of it it's the ai seems to be

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almost too oriented towards the gold

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and if any if you're oriented toward a

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goal uh then it's very easy to be a

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person can be punished by being blocked

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from achieving that goal right so it

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this it may be the same with ai

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somebody has a youtube channel or

50:24.790 --> 50:26.770
youtube video called i tortured this

50:26.770 --> 50:29.090
ai humanoid for any simulation for

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one thousand years okay today we're

50:31.990 --> 50:33.310
going to be learning how to torture

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an ai humanoid step by step i can

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that's honestly kind of gross that

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youtube allows that i don't know why

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that's that's really dangerous and i saw

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no yeah torture and ai like it seems to

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me like you know how serial killers i'm

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trying to wrap my head around like how

50:47.650 --> 50:49.610
you could torture something i mean even

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ai answered the question when i when i

50:51.490 --> 50:52.570
started looking for it thank you for

50:52.570 --> 50:54.770
the call david lee and those that want

50:55.210 --> 50:56.950
to hear more from david lee can go to

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ridleyreport.com but right when i

50:58.890 --> 51:00.330
typed in i was trying to find an

51:00.330 --> 51:01.890
article torching ai is like leaving

51:01.890 --> 51:03.490
it for hundreds of years ai

51:03.490 --> 51:05.730
overview from google says absence of

51:05.730 --> 51:07.110
suffering ai lacks consciousness

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feelings or nervous system it does not

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experience pain boredom fear more free

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president donald trump says the u.s. is

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locked and loaded and ready to go

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if peaceful protesters are killed in

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iran amid nationwide unrest

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he issued the warning in an early

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morning post to social media

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saying the u.s. will come to the

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rescue of peaceful protesters

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mass demonstrations erupted a week

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ago in major cities like tehran

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but have since spread to smaller

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towns as citizens vent their

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frustration over the worsening

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economy at least six people have

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been killed and 17 wounded

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it's the biggest threat to iran's

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government since 2022

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when protests erupted over the

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death of a young woman who was

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arrested for allegedly not wearing

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her hijab correctly

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in response to trumps latest threat

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iran says it will not allow foreign

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interference in the country

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tensions between tehran and washington

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have intensified in recent weeks

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just on monday trump said he'd order

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more strikes on iran if it tries to

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rebuild its nuclear capabilities

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after the u.s. destroyed some sites

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in june

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swiss authorities continue to

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identify the victims of a deadly

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new year's eve nightclub fire

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they say sparklers on champagne

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bottles held too closely to the

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ceiling are to blame for the

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at least 40 people were killed

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and more than 100 others were

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injured the majority of whom are in

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intensive care

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france is among several european

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nations treating some of the victims

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fsn's ross cullen reports

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people who suffered burns in the

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fatal fire are being looked after in

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hospitals in paris and in leon

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where france's top plastic surgeons

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are on standby to assist with

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specialist reconstructive care for

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burns victims

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french citizens were among those

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injured and there are still french

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nationals missing with several

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italians also unaccounted for

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police are working to identify all the

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victims and investigate how the fire

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started it broke out in the

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constellation bar in the swiss ski

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resort of cons montana in the early

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hours of new year's day

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senior israeli prison officials

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have visited a crocodile farm

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after a top official proposed

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building a new high security prison

55:47.170 --> 55:49.690
surrounded by the deadly reptile

55:49.690 --> 55:52.550
fsn's blake sifton reports from

55:52.550 --> 55:53.430
televive

55:53.430 --> 55:55.750
a delegation led by the deputy

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commissioner of israel's prison

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service visited a crocodile farm on

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thursday to learn about crocodile

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care and handling

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last week far right national

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security minister ben grover

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proposed building a new detention

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facility surrounded by crocodiles

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to hold palestinian prisoners

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jailed for security offenses

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he suggested the plan would

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prevent escapes and act as a

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deterrent

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and said it was inspired by the

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alligator alcatraz detention

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facility in the florida everglades

56:24.720 --> 56:26.130
from bureaus worldwide

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this is fsn

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with fsn spotlight i'm simon

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marx looking today in more detail

56:33.130 --> 56:34.530
at the very welcome development

56:34.530 --> 56:37.170
that wild salmon have been seen for

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the first time since 2015

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in three english rivers

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the mersey the bollin and the

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goit returning to those waters in

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britain's gritty northwest

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meaning they have made it all the

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way from the arctic circle

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to spawn in the river's gravel

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beds

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the actor james murray is the

56:55.790 --> 56:57.570
deputy chair of river action

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and has campaigned for british

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rivers and wild salmon specifically

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what it says to me is there is

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hope if you clean up these rivers

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if you let them return to

57:07.990 --> 57:09.830
levels of health that they should

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be then the salmon will return

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they're a very resilient canary

57:14.490 --> 57:15.250
the coal mine

57:15.250 --> 57:19.250
keynote species that will show you

57:19.250 --> 57:21.510
that your rivers are in good health

57:21.510 --> 57:22.850
by living there

57:22.850 --> 57:24.750
and we need to it not just to be a

57:24.750 --> 57:25.910
local good news story

57:25.910 --> 57:27.410
it needs to be a national good news

57:27.410 --> 57:29.610
story this species is endangered

57:29.610 --> 57:31.570
it was on the red list from 2023

57:32.210 --> 57:33.890
we need to take it off the red list

57:33.890 --> 57:35.710
and make it abundant again

57:35.710 --> 57:37.370
in in its returning numbers

57:37.370 --> 57:39.870
as it was pre-industrial revolution

57:39.870 --> 57:41.590
and as it could be again

57:41.590 --> 57:43.250
as the as these rivers in the

57:43.250 --> 57:44.290
northwest have shown us

57:44.290 --> 57:46.090
so david attenborough has long argued

57:46.090 --> 57:48.490
that waterways and oceans can return to

57:48.490 --> 57:50.230
life in a short space of time

57:50.230 --> 57:52.190
given focus and environmental

57:52.190 --> 57:52.910
commitment

57:52.910 --> 57:54.930
and in the northwest of england at

57:54.930 --> 57:55.230
least

57:55.230 --> 57:57.470
the salmon are bearing that out

57:58.050 --> 58:00.070
and a recap of today's headlines

58:00.690 --> 58:02.490
president donald trump says the us

58:02.490 --> 58:04.610
is locked and loaded if peaceful

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protesters are killed in iran amid

58:06.610 --> 58:08.270
nationwide unrest

58:08.850 --> 58:10.350
swiss authorities continue to

58:10.350 --> 58:12.050
identify the victims of a deadly

58:12.050 --> 58:13.630
new year's eve nightclub fire

58:13.630 --> 58:15.450
they say sparklers on champagne

58:15.450 --> 58:16.610
bottles are to blame

58:16.610 --> 58:18.990
for the blaze israeli prison

58:18.990 --> 58:20.650
officials have visited a crocodile

58:20.650 --> 58:23.130
farm after a top official proposed a

58:23.130 --> 58:23.570
new prison

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surrounded by the deadly reptile

58:26.530 --> 58:28.190
that's feature story news

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tony waterman reporting

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hundreds of exasperated americans

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confirmed thursday that for f*** sake

58:34.990 --> 58:36.810
the article they just clicked on

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is actually a stupid video

58:39.010 --> 58:40.190
i clicked on the story thinking

58:40.190 --> 58:41.530
i'd be in and out of there in 30

58:41.530 --> 58:42.010
seconds

58:42.010 --> 58:43.310
but then that little buffering thing

58:43.310 --> 58:44.490
popped up and i was like

58:44.490 --> 58:45.850
here we f***ing go

58:45.850 --> 58:47.550
quickly hitting the mute button

58:47.550 --> 58:49.410
after being disoriented by a loud

58:49.410 --> 58:51.150
blast of noise from some stupid

58:51.150 --> 58:52.870
f***ing ad for hotels.com

58:52.870 --> 58:54.910
many of the deceived then scan the

58:54.910 --> 58:56.310
webpage for some corresponding

58:56.310 --> 58:57.690
write-up so that they could simply

58:57.690 --> 58:58.390
read in peace

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but reports indicated that would

58:59.990 --> 59:01.330
just be too f***ing convenient

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wouldn't it

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look i don't want to watch a

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report or interview or panel

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discussion or whatever the hell

59:06.530 --> 59:07.090
this is

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i just want to skim an article

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real quick and move on with my

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day

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this is bull***

59:11.590 --> 59:13.670
after seriously considering hitting

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the back button on their browsers

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sources say the majority of readers

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decided to just let the f***ing video

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play out

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you know what i'll watch the f***ing thing

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and i'll probably watch the next

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f***ing video that automatically loads

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hey chris is your um thin green line

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shirt from liberty minded dot com

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just wondering

01:00:34.610 --> 01:00:36.650
if you don't remember i don't remember to be

01:00:36.650 --> 01:00:38.330
honest that would be fun

01:00:38.330 --> 01:00:40.070
but but that's the thing you can go on

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there and find some pretty fun

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:43.070
you maybe yeah you might be able to

01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:43.750
because i think it was

01:00:44.930 --> 01:00:46.830
yeah it was probably johnson rice who

01:00:46.830 --> 01:00:47.930
designed it actually so

01:00:47.930 --> 01:00:49.530
yeah he's liberty minded probably is

01:00:49.530 --> 01:00:50.890
yeah it was probably there

01:00:50.890 --> 01:00:52.270
that's hilarious to think of but

01:00:52.270 --> 01:00:54.190
yeah you can find another funny if

01:00:54.190 --> 01:00:55.030
you guys don't know what the

01:00:55.030 --> 01:00:57.550
thin green line is some people made it

01:00:57.550 --> 01:00:58.570
do you know about this angelo

01:00:59.390 --> 01:01:01.370
no i just thought it was like

01:01:02.030 --> 01:01:04.410
the people that would to me it's just

01:01:04.410 --> 01:01:06.390
like how they do the police blue line

01:01:06.390 --> 01:01:08.190
right for like the army it is based

01:01:08.190 --> 01:01:10.490
off that but it's basically mocking a

01:01:10.490 --> 01:01:12.350
big police i thought it was for the

01:01:12.350 --> 01:01:14.530
army oh no no i've seen a bunch of

01:01:14.530 --> 01:01:16.570
people do like a green oscar it's

01:01:16.570 --> 01:01:18.710
it's oscar but the thing is it goes

01:01:18.710 --> 01:01:19.730
deeper than just like a

01:01:19.730 --> 01:01:21.510
collector it goes deeper than just

01:01:21.510 --> 01:01:22.890
like a t-shirt but it came from

01:01:22.890 --> 01:01:25.450
somebody made a facebook page called

01:01:25.450 --> 01:01:26.830
the thin green line and and they said

01:01:26.830 --> 01:01:29.190
it was for trash workers and real

01:01:29.190 --> 01:01:30.870
trash workers joined it and became a

01:01:30.870 --> 01:01:33.150
real thing they didn't know it was a

01:01:33.150 --> 01:01:34.930
a joke and they made oscar the grout

01:01:34.930 --> 01:01:38.730
to their mascot yeah so they just took

01:01:38.730 --> 01:01:41.110
the they took the they were making fun

01:01:41.110 --> 01:01:43.210
of it is what they did what is really

01:01:43.210 --> 01:01:44.610
what is that well yankee doodle it

01:01:44.610 --> 01:01:46.170
was a song to like make fun of

01:01:46.170 --> 01:01:48.350
americans and the americans were like

01:01:48.350 --> 01:01:50.090
we love this this is a jam that's

01:01:50.090 --> 01:01:52.110
hilarious i didn't know that well all

01:01:52.110 --> 01:01:53.290
i could say is i have a lot of respect

01:01:53.290 --> 01:01:56.130
for um trash you know i have way more

01:01:56.130 --> 01:01:58.950
respect for them and i do i have a lot

01:01:58.950 --> 01:02:00.170
have you seen have you seen the

01:02:00.170 --> 01:02:02.230
uniforms the trash collectors were in

01:02:02.230 --> 01:02:05.550
new york no dude you get into deep like

01:02:05.550 --> 01:02:07.510
trash man service you're like dripped

01:02:07.510 --> 01:02:09.010
out like a soldier you got like a

01:02:09.010 --> 01:02:11.170
it's like a uniform they almost look

01:02:11.170 --> 01:02:13.610
like police oh that's interesting i

01:02:13.610 --> 01:02:14.730
always thought was crazy how the

01:02:14.730 --> 01:02:16.610
pilots dress like i understand why

01:02:16.610 --> 01:02:19.190
they're so respectable and why you'd

01:02:19.190 --> 01:02:20.770
want to keep that field respectable

01:02:20.770 --> 01:02:22.470
but it just shocked me i guess when i

01:02:22.470 --> 01:02:23.730
first saw it they they dress like

01:02:24.270 --> 01:02:25.990
they're in the military guys do you guys

01:02:25.990 --> 01:02:27.450
i don't know if you guys remember um

01:02:27.450 --> 01:02:30.550
after we invaded iraq what happened um

01:02:30.550 --> 01:02:32.410
with when it comes to like trash pickup

01:02:32.410 --> 01:02:34.470
and like police and stuff the police

01:02:34.470 --> 01:02:36.390
stopped working right but the trash

01:02:36.390 --> 01:02:37.930
pickup workers also i think it's not

01:02:37.930 --> 01:02:38.930
working it was a government service

01:02:38.930 --> 01:02:41.750
so the trash stopped getting collected

01:02:41.750 --> 01:02:44.070
and it became an absolute nightmare

01:02:44.070 --> 01:02:45.830
why did it stop not because it was

01:02:45.830 --> 01:02:47.310
a lack of law enforcement in iraq i

01:02:47.310 --> 01:02:49.790
think you know after we invaded iraq

01:02:49.790 --> 01:02:51.670
there was no more the government

01:02:51.670 --> 01:02:53.370
provided previously provided trash

01:02:53.370 --> 01:02:54.830
services the government was overthrown

01:02:54.830 --> 01:02:56.430
so there was no trash service and there

01:02:56.430 --> 01:02:58.790
was no law enforcement in iraq and as

01:02:58.790 --> 01:03:00.990
a result it wasn't the it wasn't a

01:03:00.990 --> 01:03:02.610
issue that there was no law enforcement

01:03:02.610 --> 01:03:03.830
that wasn't the problem the problem

01:03:03.830 --> 01:03:04.830
was that there was no trash pickup

01:03:04.830 --> 01:03:08.230
service and so trash built up you know

01:03:08.230 --> 01:03:09.670
day after day after day week after

01:03:09.670 --> 01:03:11.790
week after week until the point where

01:03:11.790 --> 01:03:14.890
it was like yeah i mean i think

01:03:14.890 --> 01:03:16.630
about living in a garbage dump right

01:03:16.630 --> 01:03:18.150
that's what living in iraq was

01:03:18.730 --> 01:03:20.390
that really sucks i mean i wish they

01:03:20.390 --> 01:03:21.410
could have came up with a

01:03:21.410 --> 01:03:23.950
voluntary solution at that time but if

01:03:23.950 --> 01:03:25.990
you've been forced to use the

01:03:25.990 --> 01:03:27.550
government service all the time you

01:03:27.550 --> 01:03:28.510
have you don't have the infrastructure

01:03:28.510 --> 01:03:29.410
to build it up yourself

01:03:32.590 --> 01:03:35.270
yeah i'm just thinking about some

01:03:35.270 --> 01:03:37.010
communists being like well why didn't

01:03:37.010 --> 01:03:40.530
the iraqis just go break into their

01:03:40.530 --> 01:03:42.650
old job and do it for free for all

01:03:42.650 --> 01:03:45.150
that time i think the problem i think

01:03:45.150 --> 01:03:46.450
the problem is probably that you have

01:03:46.450 --> 01:03:48.370
to have some place to dump the trash like

01:03:48.370 --> 01:03:49.890
so like you can't just pick up trash

01:03:50.370 --> 01:03:52.090
and then like dump it somewhere else

01:03:52.090 --> 01:03:54.030
otherwise you you end up just having

01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:55.250
everybody dumping well you could you

01:03:55.250 --> 01:03:56.770
just drive out into the far enough

01:03:56.770 --> 01:03:58.270
away from everybody and then that

01:03:58.270 --> 01:04:00.330
turns into the dump yeah and then

01:04:00.330 --> 01:04:02.450
that's the new dump yeah i mean look

01:04:02.450 --> 01:04:03.830
you know it's interesting is there's

01:04:03.830 --> 01:04:05.270
a lot of things you can do in terms

01:04:05.270 --> 01:04:07.770
of um you know uh interpreneurial

01:04:07.770 --> 01:04:09.130
shipping things like that when when

01:04:09.130 --> 01:04:10.850
government services fail for example

01:04:10.850 --> 01:04:12.770
uh when the power no longer works

01:04:12.770 --> 01:04:14.390
which is definitely the case in iraq

01:04:14.390 --> 01:04:16.850
at certain points uh people bought

01:04:16.850 --> 01:04:18.730
generators right and they they generated

01:04:18.730 --> 01:04:20.290
their own power when the power wasn't

01:04:20.290 --> 01:04:22.390
working right um so there are definitely

01:04:22.390 --> 01:04:24.030
things you can do it's not the most

01:04:24.030 --> 01:04:25.150
efficient way to generate electricity

01:04:25.150 --> 01:04:27.690
but you know there are there are

01:04:27.690 --> 01:04:31.230
solutions out there for this yeah that's

01:04:31.230 --> 01:04:32.450
true well i'm just thinking like so

01:04:32.450 --> 01:04:34.150
what those trash trucks just sat there

01:04:34.150 --> 01:04:36.950
in a warehouse somewhere unused by for

01:04:36.950 --> 01:04:38.730
months on end because nobody everybody

01:04:38.730 --> 01:04:40.230
was just like unbothered oh they were

01:04:40.230 --> 01:04:41.810
trying to survive because they were

01:04:41.810 --> 01:04:42.970
in the middle of the war yeah that's

01:04:42.970 --> 01:04:44.530
true yeah i don't know it's it's an

01:04:44.530 --> 01:04:45.490
interesting question and i don't know

01:04:45.490 --> 01:04:47.690
how the trash service works and all

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:48.790
right how long did that take to get

01:04:48.790 --> 01:04:50.510
rectified i feel like in the first six

01:04:50.510 --> 01:04:51.890
months somebody had to have done

01:04:51.890 --> 01:04:53.750
something i don't know i don't recall

01:04:53.750 --> 01:04:55.250
like exactly how long or if i even

01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:56.810
knew how long it went on for exactly

01:04:56.810 --> 01:04:58.670
but yeah it's it's something that went

01:04:58.670 --> 01:05:02.330
on for a while um and um it was it

01:05:02.330 --> 01:05:04.510
was bad it was really bad um it's

01:05:04.510 --> 01:05:06.470
about the only what i recall of it i

01:05:06.470 --> 01:05:08.250
mean this i mean remember i rack was

01:05:08.250 --> 01:05:09.350
quite a few years ago at this point

01:05:09.350 --> 01:05:10.950
so forgive me for not recalling

01:05:10.950 --> 01:05:13.570
i don't know the i'm not all the details

01:05:13.570 --> 01:05:15.430
like i mean i mean look i read a story

01:05:15.430 --> 01:05:18.390
on holy crap oh yeah i google this is

01:05:18.390 --> 01:05:21.210
just the google ai overview i googled

01:05:21.210 --> 01:05:22.690
how long till i rack picked up their

01:05:22.690 --> 01:05:24.910
trash after war started and they said

01:05:24.910 --> 01:05:26.870
i rack has faced persistent challenges

01:05:26.870 --> 01:05:29.110
with waste management since the 2003

01:05:29.110 --> 01:05:31.130
invasion and there has been no single

01:05:31.130 --> 01:05:32.830
point in time when all the trash was

01:05:32.830 --> 01:05:35.310
picked up and the problem has fully

01:05:35.310 --> 01:05:37.490
resolved so it's still going on the

01:05:37.490 --> 01:05:39.210
situation has varied by region and

01:05:39.210 --> 01:05:41.610
time with ongoing efforts facing setbacks

01:05:41.610 --> 01:05:43.650
from insecurity limited resources and

01:05:43.650 --> 01:05:48.430
subsequent conflicts that's really sad i

01:05:48.430 --> 01:05:50.290
mean it's sad that the united states

01:05:50.290 --> 01:05:53.910
destroyed a country that bad yeah 2003

01:05:53.910 --> 01:05:56.570
you know to say to say all you all

01:05:56.570 --> 01:05:57.950
you know all the negatives that you

01:05:57.950 --> 01:06:00.630
will about saddam um there there was

01:06:00.630 --> 01:06:02.850
stuff that was still operating in spite

01:06:02.850 --> 01:06:05.670
of us sanctions and such um it may not

01:06:05.670 --> 01:06:07.030
the power may not have worked all the

01:06:07.030 --> 01:06:11.370
time um but you know uh it was it was

01:06:11.370 --> 01:06:13.730
functioning uh at least for part of i

01:06:13.730 --> 01:06:15.630
rack uh for like i think it was what bag

01:06:15.630 --> 01:06:17.270
dead is it now is it was at the capital

01:06:17.270 --> 01:06:18.630
i believe something yeah i think so

01:06:18.630 --> 01:06:20.710
yeah um it was functioning for bag dead

01:06:20.710 --> 01:06:22.570
for you know a good portion of the

01:06:22.570 --> 01:06:24.390
day i believe um of course obviously

01:06:24.390 --> 01:06:25.870
if you go in and you bomb the heck out

01:06:25.870 --> 01:06:27.950
of iraq then you know these things

01:06:27.950 --> 01:06:29.530
you can't always get back up and

01:06:29.530 --> 01:06:31.290
running again um at least not

01:06:31.290 --> 01:06:32.750
cheaply or easily and of course if the

01:06:32.750 --> 01:06:34.350
country doesn't have the finances to

01:06:34.350 --> 01:06:35.590
get back up and running again and

01:06:35.590 --> 01:06:39.150
there's not outside financing um it can

01:06:39.150 --> 01:06:41.990
remain down and you can end up living in

01:06:41.990 --> 01:06:44.410
a third world country again uh 2010

01:06:45.110 --> 01:06:47.270
article popped up for me from the christian

01:06:47.270 --> 01:06:49.150
science monitor and christian science is

01:06:49.150 --> 01:06:50.930
a is a sect of christianity actually

01:06:50.930 --> 01:06:52.870
really got into them for a while and i

01:06:52.870 --> 01:06:54.130
went to one of their services in kin

01:06:54.130 --> 01:06:57.050
with ian really yeah it was fun i mean

01:06:57.050 --> 01:06:59.210
it was an interesting experience but

01:06:59.210 --> 01:07:00.250
it wasn't it was literally by

01:07:00.250 --> 01:07:02.250
definition not fun because they

01:07:02.250 --> 01:07:04.370
refuse to have services they can only

01:07:04.370 --> 01:07:07.850
read from mary baker eddie's book she

01:07:07.850 --> 01:07:09.770
wrote so all they do is read passages from

01:07:09.770 --> 01:07:11.030
mary baker eddie's book she wrote and i

01:07:11.030 --> 01:07:12.030
was already read that

01:07:12.630 --> 01:07:14.630
okay so it was very boring i have to drive

01:07:14.630 --> 01:07:17.310
by her birthplace oh yeah every day it's

01:07:17.310 --> 01:07:18.770
that way for work yeah i still think

01:07:18.770 --> 01:07:20.330
really interesting because they believe

01:07:20.330 --> 01:07:22.790
in like oh you can heal yourself in

01:07:22.790 --> 01:07:24.670
your body with your mind and she was

01:07:24.670 --> 01:07:26.050
part of the new thought movement in a

01:07:26.050 --> 01:07:26.330
way

01:07:27.950 --> 01:07:30.150
anyways um the christian science

01:07:30.150 --> 01:07:33.390
monitor they said in 2010 as iraq

01:07:33.390 --> 01:07:35.390
war winds down u.s military cleans up

01:07:35.390 --> 01:07:37.830
hazardous waste probably not all of it

01:07:37.830 --> 01:07:39.630
though not all the problem they solve oh

01:07:39.630 --> 01:07:41.470
no they they usually are they behind

01:07:41.470 --> 01:07:43.410
their waste the u.s one after they

01:07:43.410 --> 01:07:45.750
invade a country it says recent reports

01:07:45.750 --> 01:07:47.430
have accused the u.s military of

01:07:47.430 --> 01:07:49.610
irresponsible disposal of millions of

01:07:49.610 --> 01:07:51.290
pounds of hazardous waste mostly from

01:07:51.290 --> 01:07:53.830
the iraq war but after investigating

01:07:53.830 --> 01:07:56.410
the military says epa standards are

01:07:56.410 --> 01:07:57.590
being upheld they investigated

01:07:57.590 --> 01:08:01.070
themselves right so it's fine well i

01:08:01.070 --> 01:08:03.910
aren't they currently paying out service

01:08:03.910 --> 01:08:05.970
members for like the tire burning

01:08:05.970 --> 01:08:08.050
poisoning they got in iraq with all the

01:08:08.050 --> 01:08:09.470
stuff they burned i hadn't heard about

01:08:09.470 --> 01:08:11.730
that was crazy i don't know about it

01:08:11.730 --> 01:08:11.910
either

01:08:12.390 --> 01:08:13.950
yeah i guess like because they have a

01:08:13.950 --> 01:08:15.390
bunch of trash pits had a bunch of

01:08:15.390 --> 01:08:16.230
trash pits

01:08:16.230 --> 01:08:18.970
the military did um at least guys that

01:08:18.970 --> 01:08:20.050
i've talked to that have been over

01:08:20.050 --> 01:08:20.350
there

01:08:20.350 --> 01:08:22.550
um and they would just burn all their

01:08:22.550 --> 01:08:22.950
garbage

01:08:22.950 --> 01:08:25.770
um like tires old oil they had like

01:08:25.770 --> 01:08:26.370
burn pits

01:08:26.370 --> 01:08:28.550
and they just burn stuff constantly

01:08:29.070 --> 01:08:30.530
and soldiers have to sit there and

01:08:30.530 --> 01:08:32.470
guard those burn pits because the locals

01:08:32.470 --> 01:08:34.270
would try to come like pull stuff out of

01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:34.430
it

01:08:34.430 --> 01:08:37.050
okay to like reuse because they were so

01:08:37.050 --> 01:08:37.410
poor

01:08:38.590 --> 01:08:40.590
um old military stuff is better than

01:08:40.590 --> 01:08:42.090
nothing so they would try to like go get

01:08:42.090 --> 01:08:42.550
the garbage

01:08:42.970 --> 01:08:44.390
so they had to stand there at these

01:08:44.390 --> 01:08:46.230
smoldering mounds of tires

01:08:47.710 --> 01:08:50.370
for days on end um and a lot of them

01:08:50.370 --> 01:08:51.170
ended up getting like

01:08:51.750 --> 01:08:54.290
really bad c o p d and you have to

01:08:54.290 --> 01:08:55.990
wonder why you would need to burn

01:08:55.990 --> 01:08:57.530
tires like you think that would be

01:08:57.530 --> 01:08:59.310
fine to because it's cheaper to burn

01:08:59.310 --> 01:09:00.550
them right there than to ship them out

01:09:00.550 --> 01:09:02.170
right no no no but like you think it

01:09:02.170 --> 01:09:04.370
would be cheaper to just leave the

01:09:04.370 --> 01:09:06.410
tires out of the burn pit for the

01:09:06.410 --> 01:09:08.090
locals i don't think they want to add a

01:09:08.090 --> 01:09:08.890
i was something like

01:09:09.790 --> 01:09:11.490
use it or lose it it's like how the

01:09:11.490 --> 01:09:12.650
they what they do at the ammo

01:09:13.110 --> 01:09:14.930
like if you don't shoot every round of

01:09:14.930 --> 01:09:16.730
ammo you have then the next time you

01:09:16.730 --> 01:09:18.690
go out they give you less ammo yep

01:09:18.690 --> 01:09:20.130
so they just have to burn through all

01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:20.410
of it

01:09:20.410 --> 01:09:20.770
because

01:09:21.350 --> 01:09:23.130
they'll justify sending you out there

01:09:23.130 --> 01:09:24.630
with less stuff to save your life

01:09:24.630 --> 01:09:25.010
yeah

01:09:26.170 --> 01:09:26.570
um

01:09:27.150 --> 01:09:28.990
this is pretty sad from the same

01:09:28.990 --> 01:09:29.650
article it says

01:09:31.830 --> 01:09:33.630
oh sorry sorry i got to get the exact

01:09:33.630 --> 01:09:36.770
spot um everything we do here as we

01:09:36.770 --> 01:09:38.610
process these materials is so there is

01:09:38.610 --> 01:09:41.550
no avarice effect on iraqis no

01:09:41.550 --> 01:09:43.370
materials are left behind said general

01:09:43.370 --> 01:09:43.870
lanza

01:09:43.870 --> 01:09:45.410
oh yeah that's not the right part sorry

01:09:45.410 --> 01:09:46.770
i didn't mean to read that part i

01:09:46.770 --> 01:09:47.370
wanted to read

01:09:47.370 --> 01:09:48.410
this part right here

01:09:48.410 --> 01:09:50.290
the times did not give detail look

01:09:50.790 --> 01:09:54.430
it quoted a falluja falluja is i

01:09:54.430 --> 01:09:55.470
used to that it's a place apparently

01:09:55.470 --> 01:09:55.910
yeah

01:09:55.910 --> 01:09:56.550
yeah

01:09:56.550 --> 01:09:57.570
scrap dealer

01:09:57.570 --> 01:10:00.750
so this is an iraqi scrap dealer with

01:10:00.750 --> 01:10:01.890
blistered legs

01:10:01.890 --> 01:10:04.210
or skin on his legs in hand saying

01:10:04.210 --> 01:10:05.730
i got this when i worked on what was

01:10:05.730 --> 01:10:07.870
supposed to be american scrap metal

01:10:08.450 --> 01:10:10.550
the dealer said a doctor told him these

01:10:10.550 --> 01:10:12.230
are the effects of dangerous chemicals

01:10:12.230 --> 01:10:14.370
so they were he was told oh this is

01:10:15.010 --> 01:10:16.790
just american scrap metal but it was

01:10:16.790 --> 01:10:18.410
actually some dangerous chemical

01:10:18.990 --> 01:10:20.350
product that he was supposed to

01:10:20.350 --> 01:10:21.690
burn and when he did it he got

01:10:22.170 --> 01:10:23.550
blisters all over his hands and

01:10:23.550 --> 01:10:23.770
legs

01:10:24.510 --> 01:10:24.790
boom

01:10:25.310 --> 01:10:27.190
i mean i mean dealing with like any

01:10:27.190 --> 01:10:30.350
kind of military stuff is probably

01:10:30.350 --> 01:10:32.510
you're asking for trouble right like

01:10:32.510 --> 01:10:34.190
because they do all sorts of stuff

01:10:35.010 --> 01:10:36.850
that is um they put all sorts of

01:10:37.670 --> 01:10:39.550
dangerous stuff in the product i mean

01:10:39.550 --> 01:10:41.410
you think americans we receive a lot

01:10:41.410 --> 01:10:43.130
of dangerous goods you know these are

01:10:43.130 --> 01:10:45.790
like really dangerous because they

01:10:45.790 --> 01:10:47.370
are they're designed to like um

01:10:48.270 --> 01:10:50.590
you know last longer and work better

01:10:50.590 --> 01:10:52.990
and in order to get that that effect

01:10:52.990 --> 01:10:54.790
you have to put in dangerous you know

01:10:54.790 --> 01:10:55.630
chemicals and things

01:10:56.970 --> 01:10:59.590
and then there's i mean like just to

01:10:59.590 --> 01:11:01.050
spend a little more time on this yeah

01:11:01.050 --> 01:11:03.170
there then i scroll down after that

01:11:03.170 --> 01:11:04.910
article and there was one from alpha

01:11:04.910 --> 01:11:07.590
dot org um cleanup of uf sorry

01:11:07.590 --> 01:11:09.610
cleanup of us military burn pits in

01:11:09.610 --> 01:11:11.270
iraq and afghanistan and guess when

01:11:11.270 --> 01:11:14.450
this one it was 2015 so like it's just

01:11:14.450 --> 01:11:15.810
not cleaned up it's not cleaned up

01:11:15.810 --> 01:11:17.390
it's it's like a problem of

01:11:17.390 --> 01:11:19.630
destroying their infrastructure killing

01:11:19.630 --> 01:11:21.550
a bunch of people traumatizing them

01:11:21.550 --> 01:11:23.990
and i'm pretty sure there's still pits

01:11:23.990 --> 01:11:26.630
burning right now you should check i

01:11:26.630 --> 01:11:27.790
think there's still there's still

01:11:27.790 --> 01:11:30.590
burning stuff in pits in iraq or like

01:11:30.590 --> 01:11:31.910
the tires are going to take that long

01:11:31.910 --> 01:11:33.850
well that's basically what ai said

01:11:33.850 --> 01:11:35.490
it's probably true because here's a

01:11:35.490 --> 01:11:36.930
problem with taking out a country's

01:11:36.930 --> 01:11:39.170
like you know government right so the

01:11:39.170 --> 01:11:40.870
government hires people especially like

01:11:40.870 --> 01:11:42.570
a dictatorship right so the government

01:11:42.570 --> 01:11:44.610
hires and trains people and anybody

01:11:44.610 --> 01:11:46.630
who's part of that club so to speak

01:11:46.630 --> 01:11:48.430
well they're no longer if you if you

01:11:48.430 --> 01:11:49.930
take them all out well then they

01:11:49.930 --> 01:11:51.610
there's nobody with the skill sets in

01:11:51.610 --> 01:11:52.750
order to deal with these types of

01:11:52.750 --> 01:11:54.730
problems right because the people who

01:11:54.730 --> 01:11:56.930
were not in power didn't have those jobs

01:11:56.930 --> 01:11:59.870
and therefore well yeah they didn't have

01:11:59.870 --> 01:12:01.010
the training well that's the whole

01:12:01.010 --> 01:12:02.730
thing you take out the intelligentsia

01:12:02.730 --> 01:12:04.750
right the people who know how to do

01:12:04.750 --> 01:12:06.210
stuff right and then everybody

01:12:06.210 --> 01:12:07.710
starves because nobody knows how to

01:12:07.710 --> 01:12:10.490
farm right exactly exactly um this is

01:12:10.490 --> 01:12:12.250
one of the reasons that in in many

01:12:12.250 --> 01:12:15.010
cases that the um sort of the powers

01:12:15.010 --> 01:12:18.370
that be uh end up back in power um

01:12:18.370 --> 01:12:20.710
or if they don't then like you have

01:12:20.710 --> 01:12:22.930
some serious societal collapse type

01:12:22.930 --> 01:12:26.390
issues and um use making a situation

01:12:26.390 --> 01:12:28.630
where they have to go into a

01:12:28.630 --> 01:12:31.490
era of reconstruction is a great time

01:12:31.490 --> 01:12:35.130
to change all their laws and ever in

01:12:35.130 --> 01:12:36.490
their even their customs and change

01:12:36.490 --> 01:12:39.310
to the whole place into a place where

01:12:39.310 --> 01:12:40.850
you want it to be and not how those

01:12:40.850 --> 01:12:42.850
people wanted their country to be

01:12:42.850 --> 01:12:44.410
just like they did to the south

01:12:44.410 --> 01:12:46.270
during reconstruction oh we're gonna

01:12:46.270 --> 01:12:47.630
put these new laws where you

01:12:47.630 --> 01:12:49.590
you guys are just gonna be poor all the

01:12:49.590 --> 01:12:51.910
time and and uh you know the north

01:12:51.910 --> 01:12:53.410
gets everything and you guys lose

01:12:53.410 --> 01:12:55.870
basically yeah to simplify that and i

01:12:55.870 --> 01:12:58.050
bring that up to say i found this other

01:12:58.050 --> 01:13:00.510
article from npr.org and it's like a

01:13:00.510 --> 01:13:02.550
transcript of an npr radio

01:13:03.150 --> 01:13:05.710
transmission it says this is a

01:13:05.710 --> 01:13:08.410
terry gross host this is fresh air

01:13:08.410 --> 01:13:09.790
so his name is gross and his show is

01:13:09.790 --> 01:13:10.450
fresh air but anyways

01:13:10.450 --> 01:13:12.370
how would you feel about spending

01:13:12.370 --> 01:13:14.430
millions of americans tax dollars to

01:13:14.430 --> 01:13:16.250
build a chicken processing plant in

01:13:16.250 --> 01:13:18.930
iraq that never processed any chickens

01:13:18.930 --> 01:13:21.310
except to impress visiting journalists

01:13:22.070 --> 01:13:23.930
that's just one of the projects

01:13:23.930 --> 01:13:25.890
described in a new book by our guest

01:13:25.890 --> 01:13:28.530
peter van buren a foreign a veteran

01:13:28.530 --> 01:13:30.550
foreign service officer who gives a

01:13:30.550 --> 01:13:32.430
ground level account of the effort to

01:13:32.430 --> 01:13:34.790
rebuild and stabilize iraq and guess

01:13:34.790 --> 01:13:38.490
when this was from 2011 still not

01:13:39.290 --> 01:13:41.750
rebuilt or restabilized yeah but a

01:13:41.750 --> 01:13:44.390
bunch of people got to run a fraud

01:13:44.390 --> 01:13:48.290
scheme for a chicken plant that's bad

01:13:48.290 --> 01:13:50.430
yeah no well i'm just i'm just thinking

01:13:50.430 --> 01:13:53.150
about our tax dollars getting used to

01:13:53.150 --> 01:13:55.010
fund things that aren't real that you

01:13:55.010 --> 01:13:56.390
know that's like what we make fun of

01:13:56.390 --> 01:13:58.490
north korea for yeah the crazy thing

01:13:58.490 --> 01:14:00.990
is that like there is a lot of fraud

01:14:00.990 --> 01:14:03.130
here and there's no accountability um

01:14:03.130 --> 01:14:05.350
but like if you actually do want to

01:14:05.350 --> 01:14:07.650
like you know take a country out take

01:14:07.650 --> 01:14:10.530
a take a regime out um you know

01:14:10.530 --> 01:14:12.010
take out all the people who work for

01:14:12.010 --> 01:14:14.130
that regime you basically have to

01:14:15.330 --> 01:14:16.950
absolutely probably trillions of

01:14:16.950 --> 01:14:18.710
dollars over a 20 year period because

01:14:18.710 --> 01:14:21.610
you got to train the opposition and and

01:14:21.610 --> 01:14:24.950
you need you know and the um yeah you

01:14:24.950 --> 01:14:26.490
got to take and give people in many

01:14:26.490 --> 01:14:28.110
cases like in africanistan for example

01:14:28.110 --> 01:14:29.890
they didn't they don't train their

01:14:29.890 --> 01:14:31.510
they don't teach they don't educate

01:14:31.510 --> 01:14:33.250
their girls past like 12 years old or

01:14:33.250 --> 01:14:35.070
something like that so like think

01:14:35.070 --> 01:14:36.590
about that you need if you need 20

01:14:36.590 --> 01:14:38.350
years of education before you get to

01:14:38.350 --> 01:14:39.670
a you know you're gonna get two

01:14:39.670 --> 01:14:41.470
people to a point in which they can

01:14:41.470 --> 01:14:43.130
actually do the jobs that need to be

01:14:43.130 --> 01:14:45.670
done yeah um that's gonna be that's

01:14:45.670 --> 01:14:46.890
gonna be a long time if you kill a

01:14:46.890 --> 01:14:48.010
bunch of their men right and then you

01:14:48.010 --> 01:14:49.310
have to not only you're gonna have to

01:14:49.310 --> 01:14:50.890
train them is gonna take 20 years but

01:14:50.890 --> 01:14:52.730
it's also gonna take um even more than

01:14:52.730 --> 01:14:54.810
that because you also have to rebuild

01:14:54.810 --> 01:14:57.370
or build from maybe sometimes build

01:14:57.370 --> 01:14:58.390
from i mean you have to build from

01:14:58.390 --> 01:14:59.930
the ground up basically because you in

01:14:59.930 --> 01:15:01.250
many cases you've actually blown up

01:15:01.250 --> 01:15:02.790
those whatever they had before anyway

01:15:02.790 --> 01:15:04.630
right i hope that people realize that

01:15:04.630 --> 01:15:06.390
this is all relevant today to like

01:15:06.390 --> 01:15:08.730
what may start happening in venezuela

01:15:08.730 --> 01:15:10.830
right yeah absolutely and they definitely

01:15:10.830 --> 01:15:12.570
blew up infrastructure in venezuela

01:15:12.570 --> 01:15:14.590
the question is what they blow up i don't

01:15:14.590 --> 01:15:16.450
know air defense is what i was told on

01:15:16.450 --> 01:15:17.890
twitter i asked i was like air defenses

01:15:17.890 --> 01:15:20.110
i was like if we just grab banduro and

01:15:20.110 --> 01:15:22.310
he's already out of there why the bombs

01:15:22.310 --> 01:15:23.770
can someone explain this to me the

01:15:23.770 --> 01:15:25.910
bombs are like uh we're gonna the bombs

01:15:25.910 --> 01:15:27.690
are like like shocking on like we're

01:15:27.690 --> 01:15:29.630
gonna bomb them at the same time we're

01:15:29.630 --> 01:15:31.510
sending in this little team yeah

01:15:31.510 --> 01:15:33.170
distraction i also heard that it was

01:15:33.170 --> 01:15:34.810
to destroy air defenses so it might be

01:15:34.810 --> 01:15:37.010
maybe both like also like oh they

01:15:37.010 --> 01:15:39.150
can't can't shoot the helicopter and

01:15:39.150 --> 01:15:41.550
it says we fly out maybe maybe one of

01:15:41.550 --> 01:15:43.070
the things they did was they they took

01:15:43.070 --> 01:15:44.530
out i don't know if it was power station

01:15:44.530 --> 01:15:46.390
specifically or just transformers or

01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:48.710
what but they took that some some of

01:15:48.710 --> 01:15:50.070
that infrastructure electrical

01:15:50.070 --> 01:15:52.070
infrastructure for the electrical

01:15:52.070 --> 01:15:54.490
infrastructure out and it may have been

01:15:54.490 --> 01:15:56.590
targeted specifically enough where it

01:15:56.590 --> 01:15:58.690
wasn't like the power you know the

01:15:58.690 --> 01:16:00.190
what is it the the power plants

01:16:00.190 --> 01:16:01.850
themselves because not all the power

01:16:01.850 --> 01:16:04.030
went out in in the in the yeah

01:16:04.030 --> 01:16:06.170
well i guess it took them like six

01:16:06.170 --> 01:16:07.530
minutes to get in and get out

01:16:07.530 --> 01:16:09.450
dang yeah so they probably didn't even

01:16:09.450 --> 01:16:10.650
need to take out the whole power

01:16:10.650 --> 01:16:12.050
plant they just need to take out and then

01:16:12.050 --> 01:16:14.410
they also blew up Hugo Chavez is uh

01:16:15.370 --> 01:16:18.290
mausoleum they blew his his body sky high

01:16:18.830 --> 01:16:21.290
did they yeah really yeah it's just like

01:16:21.290 --> 01:16:25.350
an extra whammy yeah an extra f you i

01:16:25.350 --> 01:16:25.630
guess

01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:28.650
um i just wanted to say that guy that

01:16:28.650 --> 01:16:30.190
talked about how they made a fake

01:16:30.190 --> 01:16:31.970
chicken processing plant just impressed

01:16:31.970 --> 01:16:34.370
uh journalists this last thing i'll say

01:16:34.370 --> 01:16:35.410
about this he said

01:16:36.390 --> 01:16:38.470
um van buren's book his name is peter

01:16:38.470 --> 01:16:40.230
van buren van buren's book is called

01:16:40.230 --> 01:16:43.010
we meant well how i helped lose the

01:16:43.010 --> 01:16:45.130
battle of the hearts and minds of the

01:16:45.130 --> 01:16:47.350
iraqi people and that's a also a really

01:16:47.350 --> 01:16:48.790
good point like another thing that

01:16:48.790 --> 01:16:51.570
happens to more is we cause the people

01:16:51.570 --> 01:16:53.110
of that country to hate us do you

01:16:53.110 --> 01:16:54.250
really this is what i've been saying

01:16:54.250 --> 01:16:55.830
since trump started all this stuff was

01:16:55.830 --> 01:16:57.690
venez venezuelan do we really want

01:16:58.170 --> 01:17:00.250
venezuelans in the same not the same

01:17:00.250 --> 01:17:02.830
continent wait yeah we're not the same

01:17:02.830 --> 01:17:04.090
continent my bad the same

01:17:04.090 --> 01:17:08.410
near connected continents do we want

01:17:08.410 --> 01:17:11.530
those the whole 29 million people

01:17:12.070 --> 01:17:13.870
population do we want them to hate

01:17:13.870 --> 01:17:16.510
americans that seems so dangerous i mean

01:17:16.510 --> 01:17:18.570
they should hate americans but but

01:17:18.570 --> 01:17:20.610
should we give them a reason to yeah

01:17:20.610 --> 01:17:22.590
no another reason yeah yeah but hating

01:17:22.590 --> 01:17:24.330
americans isn't really justified in my

01:17:24.330 --> 01:17:26.210
opinion it's you they should hate the

01:17:26.210 --> 01:17:28.070
government but no one thinks like that

01:17:28.070 --> 01:17:30.050
like you know i don't know that's

01:17:30.050 --> 01:17:31.890
interesting question um i don't know if

01:17:31.890 --> 01:17:33.930
um if people hate the i mean i

01:17:33.930 --> 01:17:35.030
think i think when you're when you're

01:17:35.030 --> 01:17:37.250
talking to people over like overseas

01:17:37.250 --> 01:17:38.970
well i mean like if we do worse you know

01:17:38.970 --> 01:17:40.730
like if we start bombing innocent sure

01:17:40.730 --> 01:17:42.730
left and right sure i think i hate that

01:17:42.730 --> 01:17:43.990
i'm doing that but you know if the united

01:17:43.990 --> 01:17:46.150
states yeah i feel like i feel like people

01:17:46.150 --> 01:17:48.130
generally do send tend to understand

01:17:48.130 --> 01:17:50.230
that it's the government not necessarily

01:17:50.230 --> 01:17:51.370
the people that they hate

01:17:51.370 --> 01:17:54.710
but you know i don't know i don't think

01:17:54.710 --> 01:17:55.550
that's true have you ever heard of the

01:17:55.550 --> 01:17:59.550
book blowback uh i feel like i have

01:17:59.550 --> 01:18:01.010
um and i feel like i know what you're

01:18:01.010 --> 01:18:02.810
about to say but keep going it's just

01:18:02.810 --> 01:18:05.450
the idea that uh he flushes out in

01:18:05.450 --> 01:18:06.450
that book and by the way i've never

01:18:06.450 --> 01:18:08.430
read it but i know what he talks about

01:18:08.430 --> 01:18:09.910
because i had a teacher that told us all

01:18:09.910 --> 01:18:11.830
about it and um basically he explains

01:18:11.830 --> 01:18:14.050
how when you attack a country and when

01:18:14.050 --> 01:18:16.190
a government attacks another country

01:18:16.190 --> 01:18:19.450
then the people of that country you

01:18:19.450 --> 01:18:21.670
know like your dad got killed and you're

01:18:21.670 --> 01:18:23.590
not thinking very logically you're

01:18:23.590 --> 01:18:25.830
thinking i hate those people i want

01:18:25.830 --> 01:18:28.250
revenge and and blowback occurs in

01:18:28.250 --> 01:18:31.710
every war where somebody after outside

01:18:31.710 --> 01:18:34.290
of the confines of war will go and

01:18:34.290 --> 01:18:37.170
harm that uh initially invading

01:18:37.170 --> 01:18:39.370
country in some way it's not always like

01:18:39.370 --> 01:18:42.530
a 9-11 but um and i'm not saying that

01:18:42.530 --> 01:18:44.610
that actually was blowback 9-11 i think

01:18:44.610 --> 01:18:46.770
was just our government doing that in

01:18:46.770 --> 01:18:48.290
my opinion yeah what were like the

01:18:48.290 --> 01:18:52.230
execution of like uh tourists yeah stuff

01:18:52.230 --> 01:18:53.930
like that i guess like to remember

01:18:53.930 --> 01:18:55.630
those things they used to show us on

01:18:55.630 --> 01:18:57.610
the on the tv that was people saying

01:18:57.610 --> 01:18:59.910
death to america and then they'd be

01:18:59.910 --> 01:19:01.570
like they just for our freedom no they

01:19:01.570 --> 01:19:05.010
hate us because they killed their dad

01:19:05.010 --> 01:19:07.210
killed their dad yeah or whoever their

01:19:07.210 --> 01:19:08.750
family and stuff like that and destroy

01:19:08.750 --> 01:19:10.850
their infrastructure made the whole

01:19:10.850 --> 01:19:13.490
country all the like the average iraqi

01:19:13.490 --> 01:19:14.670
would see is like hey things were

01:19:14.670 --> 01:19:16.290
actually much better for before the

01:19:16.290 --> 01:19:17.770
americans got here now i think of it

01:19:17.770 --> 01:19:19.510
you know see what i mean like yeah well

01:19:19.510 --> 01:19:21.250
they dance in the street when uh they

01:19:21.250 --> 01:19:22.630
hung sit on hussein too

01:19:23.390 --> 01:19:25.550
yeah but they celebrate it so much

01:19:25.550 --> 01:19:27.550
well i mean that might be an initial

01:19:27.550 --> 01:19:29.110
that's probably what they're doing right

01:19:29.110 --> 01:19:30.690
now with the venezuelans dancing in

01:19:30.690 --> 01:19:32.350
the street yeah from aduro getting

01:19:32.350 --> 01:19:33.930
toppled that might be an initial they

01:19:33.930 --> 01:19:35.690
dance in the street first sit on hussein

01:19:35.690 --> 01:19:38.150
too but 20 years from now after 20 years

01:19:38.150 --> 01:19:39.390
of bombing i don't know if it'd be the

01:19:39.390 --> 01:19:41.110
same dancing the street because

01:19:41.110 --> 01:19:42.490
america's running it you gotta remember

01:19:42.490 --> 01:19:44.410
too that there's like different people

01:19:44.410 --> 01:19:46.250
right like so you can have people who

01:19:46.250 --> 01:19:47.430
are dancing in the street and also

01:19:47.430 --> 01:19:48.910
people who are you know running from

01:19:48.910 --> 01:19:50.670
you know the yeah the u.s. government

01:19:50.670 --> 01:19:52.210
that doesn't have to be every single

01:19:52.210 --> 01:19:53.930
person in the country hates us it

01:19:53.930 --> 01:19:55.710
can just be enough people hate us

01:19:55.710 --> 01:19:57.910
and want to attack random americans

01:19:57.910 --> 01:19:59.770
because they they think that way some

01:20:00.290 --> 01:20:01.350
populations probably gonna love

01:20:01.350 --> 01:20:03.290
america you know and then that won't

01:20:03.290 --> 01:20:05.190
stop the other half yeah from harming

01:20:05.190 --> 01:20:06.490
americans right right and the thing is

01:20:06.490 --> 01:20:08.030
like i'm saying it's just like a

01:20:08.030 --> 01:20:11.470
ridiculously out there dangerous thing

01:20:11.470 --> 01:20:14.290
for trump to do to americans to it's

01:20:14.290 --> 01:20:16.690
like when he was talking about bombing

01:20:16.690 --> 01:20:18.650
mexico that's even worse because they

01:20:18.650 --> 01:20:19.910
share a border with us yeah i think

01:20:19.910 --> 01:20:21.410
venezuelans get here legally all

01:20:21.410 --> 01:20:23.330
time yeah i think i think when i i

01:20:23.330 --> 01:20:24.390
think there's you probably have to make

01:20:24.390 --> 01:20:26.410
a distinction of um when it would

01:20:26.410 --> 01:20:28.670
talk about blow black the blow back

01:20:28.670 --> 01:20:30.030
you're probably gonna have to make the

01:20:30.030 --> 01:20:32.090
distinction of us bombing countries

01:20:32.090 --> 01:20:33.530
no that's what i'm saying if it gets

01:20:33.530 --> 01:20:34.930
worse i don't think just this

01:20:34.930 --> 01:20:36.370
necessarily is going to cause blow

01:20:36.370 --> 01:20:38.270
back i'd be shocked that it did yep

01:20:38.270 --> 01:20:40.250
but like i've heard the children were

01:20:40.250 --> 01:20:41.810
on some of those drug boats

01:20:41.810 --> 01:20:45.490
i don't know how to verify it um some

01:20:45.490 --> 01:20:48.410
people said that one person's kid

01:20:48.410 --> 01:20:50.750
gets killed on a drug boat news

01:20:50.750 --> 01:20:52.290
that there were yeah but i've asked

01:20:52.290 --> 01:20:54.150
chat gbt and it said no and like

01:20:54.150 --> 01:20:55.410
people were still saying there was

01:20:55.410 --> 01:20:57.090
so i don't know if i trust that

01:20:57.090 --> 01:20:59.210
well they don't actually entirely know

01:20:59.210 --> 01:21:00.430
who was on those drug boats

01:21:00.430 --> 01:21:01.910
that's one of the problems when you

01:21:01.910 --> 01:21:03.430
just start randomly blowing up ship

01:21:03.430 --> 01:21:04.950
that is a problem boats right like

01:21:04.950 --> 01:21:06.550
you don't actually it doesn't even have

01:21:06.550 --> 01:21:08.410
to be a kid if it's somebody's son and

01:21:08.410 --> 01:21:09.830
and he was 30 years old

01:21:09.830 --> 01:21:11.470
that person's still going to be mad

01:21:11.470 --> 01:21:12.770
you know just little things here and

01:21:12.770 --> 01:21:15.110
there can suddenly be terrorist

01:21:15.110 --> 01:21:15.990
attacks in the united states i don't

01:21:15.990 --> 01:21:17.370
really think it matters whether they're

01:21:17.370 --> 01:21:18.670
they're five years old or the 35

01:21:18.670 --> 01:21:20.390
years old yeah you know exactly i'm

01:21:20.390 --> 01:21:22.410
agreeing you know isn't this is

01:21:22.410 --> 01:21:25.210
yeah i mean this is frequently i i

01:21:25.890 --> 01:21:27.050
understand why people get emotional

01:21:27.050 --> 01:21:29.410
about children but like i don't know

01:21:29.410 --> 01:21:30.650
it's it's like to me it's just it's

01:21:30.650 --> 01:21:32.410
wrong no matter what let's not make it

01:21:32.410 --> 01:21:34.010
some sort of exception or excuse yeah

01:21:34.010 --> 01:21:36.090
but my point is more people have an

01:21:36.090 --> 01:21:37.450
emotional attachment to other people

01:21:37.450 --> 01:21:39.990
and when you go and bomb them and you

01:21:39.990 --> 01:21:41.090
think it's totally justified because

01:21:41.090 --> 01:21:43.030
you're the united states and well they

01:21:43.030 --> 01:21:45.410
were going to sell drugs you are

01:21:45.410 --> 01:21:48.550
taking the risk that their friends and

01:21:48.550 --> 01:21:50.350
family will hate america so mad that

01:21:50.350 --> 01:21:51.750
they'll come do terrorist attacks now

01:21:51.750 --> 01:21:53.610
if they're in afghanistan americans

01:21:53.610 --> 01:21:55.490
can be sitting pretty and feel like oh

01:21:55.490 --> 01:21:56.810
that will never happen they won't get

01:21:56.810 --> 01:21:58.530
here when they're in south america and

01:21:58.530 --> 01:21:59.850
they get here all the time illegally

01:21:59.850 --> 01:22:02.370
i i honestly think it's bound to happen

01:22:02.370 --> 01:22:05.030
but i'm not saying it's gotten to that

01:22:05.030 --> 01:22:06.970
point yet but i think it could and

01:22:06.970 --> 01:22:08.270
that's what's scary about it to me

01:22:08.270 --> 01:22:10.410
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never return calls before listening

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to your voicemail your wireless phone

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sends calls you didn't answer into

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voicemail and it shows you phone

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important don't call back callers you

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missed until you have first listened

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to your messages otherwise you

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frustrate people who bother to leave

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messages by asking them to repeat a

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message they just left as your voicemail

01:23:02.080 --> 01:23:04.400
greeting instructed them to if you're a

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job applicant this alone could be a

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deal killer and even if you're not there

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are a few things you can convey to

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someone that are as fundamentally

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maddening as i didn't hear you with

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money and attention so scarce now

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never been more important for more

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tips for job seekers and everyone

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else hit survival speech dot com i'm

01:23:29.540 --> 01:23:32.500
holland cook from feature story news in

01:23:32.500 --> 01:23:35.300
washington i'm tony waterman president

01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:37.900
donald trump says the u.s is locked

01:23:37.900 --> 01:23:40.940
and loaded and ready to go if peaceful

01:23:40.940 --> 01:23:43.120
protesters are killed in iran amid

01:23:43.120 --> 01:23:45.860
nationwide unrest he issued the

01:23:45.860 --> 01:23:47.880
warning in an early morning post to

01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.360
social media saying the u.s will come

01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:52.460
to the rescue of peaceful protesters

01:23:52.460 --> 01:23:54.900
mass demonstrations erupted a week

01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:57.400
ago in major cities like tehran but

01:23:57.400 --> 01:23:59.800
have since spread to smaller towns as

01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.000
citizens vent their frustration over the

01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.500
worsening economy at least six people

01:24:04.500 --> 01:24:06.880
have been killed and seventeen wounded

01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.860
it's the biggest threat to iran's

01:24:08.860 --> 01:24:11.600
government since 2022 when protests

01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:13.560
erupted over the death of a young

01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.720
woman who was arrested for allegedly

01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.780
not wearing her hijab correctly in

01:24:18.780 --> 01:24:20.640
response to trumps latest threat

01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:22.980
iran says it will not allow foreign

01:24:22.980 --> 01:24:24.540
interference in the country

01:24:25.210 --> 01:24:27.280
tensions between tehran and washington

01:24:27.280 --> 01:24:29.520
have intensified in recent weeks

01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:32.020
just on monday trump said he'd order

01:24:32.020 --> 01:24:34.460
more strikes on iran if it tries to

01:24:34.460 --> 01:24:36.200
rebuild its nuclear capabilities

01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:38.920
after the u.s destroyed some sites in

01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:41.720
june swiss authorities continue to

01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:43.800
identify the victims of a deadly

01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.780
new year's eve nightclub fire

01:24:45.780 --> 01:24:47.940
they say sparklers on champagne

01:24:47.940 --> 01:24:50.360
bottles held too closely to the

01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:53.220
ceiling are to blame for the blaze at

01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:55.620
least 40 people were killed and more

01:24:55.620 --> 01:24:57.520
than a hundred others were injured

01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:00.100
the majority of whom are in intensive

01:25:00.100 --> 01:25:00.540
care

01:25:01.080 --> 01:25:03.060
france is among several european

01:25:03.060 --> 01:25:05.160
nations treating some of the victims

01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.300
fsn's ross cullen reports people who

01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:11.040
suffered burns in the fatal fire are

01:25:11.040 --> 01:25:12.740
being looked after in hospitals in

01:25:12.740 --> 01:25:14.700
paris and in leon where france's

01:25:14.700 --> 01:25:16.740
top plastic surgeons are on standby

01:25:16.740 --> 01:25:18.140
to assist with specialist

01:25:18.140 --> 01:25:20.400
reconstructive care for burns victims

01:25:20.400 --> 01:25:22.660
french citizens were among those injured

01:25:22.660 --> 01:25:24.180
and there are still french nationals

01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:26.100
missing with several italians also

01:25:26.100 --> 01:25:28.240
unaccounted for police are working to

01:25:28.240 --> 01:25:30.460
identify all the victims and investigate

01:25:30.460 --> 01:25:32.840
how the fire started it broke out in

01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:34.540
the constellation bar in the swiss

01:25:34.540 --> 01:25:36.760
ski resort of cons montana in the

01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:38.400
early hours of new year's day

01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:41.080
senior israeli prison officials have

01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:42.840
visited a crocodile farm

01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.300
after a top official proposed building

01:25:45.300 --> 01:25:47.300
a new high security prison

01:25:47.300 --> 01:25:49.740
surrounded by the deadly reptile

01:25:49.740 --> 01:25:53.720
fsn's blake sifton reports from televieve

01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.900
a delegation led by the deputy

01:25:55.900 --> 01:25:58.020
commissioner of israel's prison service

01:25:58.020 --> 01:26:00.820
visited a crocodile farm on thursday

01:26:00.820 --> 01:26:02.780
to learn about crocodile care and

01:26:02.780 --> 01:26:03.260
handling

01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:05.660
last week far right national security

01:26:05.660 --> 01:26:08.240
minister ben grover proposed building a

01:26:08.240 --> 01:26:10.420
new detention facility surrounded by

01:26:10.420 --> 01:26:12.560
crocodiles to hold palestinian

01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.480
prisoners jailed for security offenses

01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:16.740
he suggested the plan would prevent

01:26:16.740 --> 01:26:19.180
escapes and act as a deterrent and said

01:26:19.180 --> 01:26:20.880
it was inspired by the alligator

01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:22.980
alcatraz detention facility in the

01:26:22.980 --> 01:26:26.240
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two eight three six one six zero is

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the phone number to get in on the

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conversation with us in the last

01:27:38.450 --> 01:27:39.650
segment honestly to me that was

01:27:39.650 --> 01:27:40.570
really interesting and fun

01:27:40.570 --> 01:27:42.910
chris wade just kind of told us a

01:27:42.910 --> 01:27:45.210
little story about how an iraq um

01:27:45.210 --> 01:27:47.070
the trash got built up because of

01:27:47.070 --> 01:27:47.450
the war

01:27:47.450 --> 01:27:49.990
and uh because they had been doing a

01:27:49.990 --> 01:27:52.390
state-run trash pickup and then it just

01:27:52.390 --> 01:27:54.250
got out of hand when the americans got

01:27:54.250 --> 01:27:56.530
there and took over bag dad

01:27:56.530 --> 01:27:58.450
and um they took out the regime and the

01:27:58.450 --> 01:28:00.050
regime who worked for the regime it

01:28:00.050 --> 01:28:01.590
was the trash pickup and then i started

01:28:01.590 --> 01:28:03.250
individuals so they didn't go back to

01:28:03.250 --> 01:28:04.330
work because they weren't getting

01:28:04.330 --> 01:28:07.150
paid and the service yeah i started

01:28:07.150 --> 01:28:09.390
googling um like is it better now

01:28:09.390 --> 01:28:11.910
and it's not and that's how badly

01:28:11.910 --> 01:28:13.790
america has destroyed that that

01:28:13.790 --> 01:28:15.510
country and i think it's important

01:28:15.510 --> 01:28:17.930
to look at the past in that way

01:28:18.770 --> 01:28:20.470
because right now trump is starting a

01:28:20.470 --> 01:28:22.410
war in venezuela we don't know how far

01:28:22.410 --> 01:28:23.310
it's going to go but he's definitely

01:28:23.310 --> 01:28:24.930
committed an act of war we talked about

01:28:24.930 --> 01:28:26.410
this at the in the first segment of

01:28:26.410 --> 01:28:27.870
the show like when does it actually

01:28:27.870 --> 01:28:30.570
become definitely like we're in a war

01:28:30.570 --> 01:28:32.830
i'm not sure i'm not sure if we're

01:28:32.830 --> 01:28:34.930
there yet but if you're tired of the

01:28:34.930 --> 01:28:36.670
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01:28:36.670 --> 01:28:38.190
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01:28:55.190 --> 01:28:56.790
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01:28:56.790 --> 01:28:59.770
mr penguin and and hello

01:28:59.770 --> 01:29:02.370
and we were talking at the beginning

01:29:02.370 --> 01:29:04.450
of the show we had a few calls and

01:29:04.450 --> 01:29:06.250
calls are always welcome because you

01:29:06.250 --> 01:29:07.910
can call in with whatever's on your

01:29:07.910 --> 01:29:09.430
mind you can change the subject it

01:29:09.430 --> 01:29:10.790
doesn't matter it's up to you and

01:29:10.790 --> 01:29:12.510
the number is six zero three two eight

01:29:12.510 --> 01:29:14.750
three six one six zero but at the very

01:29:14.750 --> 01:29:16.410
beginning of the show before calls we

01:29:16.410 --> 01:29:17.710
were talking about this wall street

01:29:17.710 --> 01:29:18.470
journal article

01:29:19.150 --> 01:29:21.170
trump rolls the dice on nation building

01:29:21.170 --> 01:29:22.290
with vow to run

01:29:22.290 --> 01:29:25.130
venezuela and i had said so like a

01:29:25.130 --> 01:29:27.850
chat i was in every american with a

01:29:27.850 --> 01:29:29.410
mouse in their pocket today we run

01:29:29.410 --> 01:29:31.550
venezuela now it's like no you don't

01:29:31.550 --> 01:29:33.190
run venezuela yeah but the united

01:29:33.190 --> 01:29:34.090
states government is

01:29:35.130 --> 01:29:37.030
hinting at doing it if not genuinely

01:29:37.030 --> 01:29:38.270
doing it's hard to even know with

01:29:38.270 --> 01:29:38.890
trump most time

01:29:39.570 --> 01:29:41.450
so just portu rico in it

01:29:42.010 --> 01:29:44.270
for a minute is that what we're gonna do

01:29:44.270 --> 01:29:45.670
the united states run it for a while

01:29:45.670 --> 01:29:47.510
don't they still run portu rico

01:29:47.510 --> 01:29:48.470
well i know it's a territory

01:29:48.470 --> 01:29:51.010
yeah are we still in control of portu

01:29:51.010 --> 01:29:51.230
rico

01:29:51.230 --> 01:29:53.010
yeah i think that seems like a way more

01:29:53.010 --> 01:29:53.370
legal

01:29:53.370 --> 01:29:56.610
thing than this like i i feel like

01:29:56.610 --> 01:29:57.550
there's probably a legal

01:29:58.030 --> 01:29:59.810
way to get a country to become a

01:29:59.810 --> 01:30:00.470
territory right

01:30:00.470 --> 01:30:03.290
is it just conquest in 2026

01:30:03.910 --> 01:30:05.710
probably is literally well i mean it

01:30:05.710 --> 01:30:07.530
was conquest by russia in 2022

01:30:07.530 --> 01:30:11.230
like uh going into ukraine cremia

01:30:11.230 --> 01:30:13.670
cremia well the crime is like 2014

01:30:13.670 --> 01:30:15.590
oh yeah what did you say oh 2022

01:30:15.590 --> 01:30:17.550
yeah well they didn't do it yet but

01:30:17.550 --> 01:30:19.910
they're trying i guess but yeah yeah

01:30:19.910 --> 01:30:21.570
just because just because they weren't

01:30:21.570 --> 01:30:23.890
able to send a a delta team in and

01:30:23.890 --> 01:30:25.030
grabs a lenski doesn't mean

01:30:25.030 --> 01:30:26.670
you know what if this would have

01:30:26.670 --> 01:30:28.130
failed what if we would have missed

01:30:28.730 --> 01:30:30.730
we took a huge swing and what if we

01:30:30.730 --> 01:30:32.770
would have missed and we got away

01:30:33.470 --> 01:30:35.830
and now it's a full war with venezuela

01:30:36.470 --> 01:30:38.330
yeah because they killed some dea agent

01:30:38.330 --> 01:30:39.930
and now we're in a war i mean yeah

01:30:39.930 --> 01:30:41.370
that's what how was he going to react

01:30:42.350 --> 01:30:44.350
it's it's you know it appears that

01:30:44.350 --> 01:30:46.250
the regime is still in power and that

01:30:46.250 --> 01:30:48.690
it may be that um you think it got

01:30:48.690 --> 01:30:50.730
sold out well he may not he may have

01:30:50.730 --> 01:30:51.730
just been a frontman anyway

01:30:51.730 --> 01:30:54.730
um so that makes sense he may have

01:30:54.730 --> 01:30:56.850
been acting president but he was

01:30:56.850 --> 01:30:59.330
controlled by you know some other you

01:30:59.330 --> 01:31:02.650
know by the regime so well we have a

01:31:02.650 --> 01:31:03.790
caller in line so i'm going to go

01:31:03.790 --> 01:31:06.210
to the phones sara in new mexico you're

01:31:06.210 --> 01:31:08.170
on free talk live what's on your mind

01:31:09.570 --> 01:31:14.150
this is um our nmdo t they're finally

01:31:14.150 --> 01:31:17.450
addressing that it's their problem that

01:31:17.450 --> 01:31:21.390
we have like 94 pedestrian kills like

01:31:21.390 --> 01:31:24.910
2005 okay where where is this that

01:31:24.910 --> 01:31:26.230
you're talking new mexico dmt

01:31:26.230 --> 01:31:28.890
dot department of transportation okay so

01:31:28.890 --> 01:31:30.390
somewhere in new mexico a lot of

01:31:30.390 --> 01:31:32.630
people getting killed 94

01:31:33.190 --> 01:31:36.570
always been number one pedestrian

01:31:36.570 --> 01:31:38.850
per capita but they were actually

01:31:38.850 --> 01:31:41.050
young to lose like this is a problem

01:31:41.050 --> 01:31:44.270
that we need to address well i mean

01:31:44.270 --> 01:31:47.030
whose problem was it the whole time

01:31:47.030 --> 01:31:50.170
you know it sounds like a bunch of talk

01:31:50.170 --> 01:31:52.630
from some from some government bureaucrats

01:31:52.630 --> 01:31:56.430
maybe you um you know called their

01:31:56.430 --> 01:31:58.110
offices long enough that you got them

01:31:58.110 --> 01:32:00.070
to come out and make a statement but

01:32:00.070 --> 01:32:01.530
doesn't necessarily mean they'll do

01:32:01.530 --> 01:32:03.030
anything do you think they will sara

01:32:03.030 --> 01:32:04.570
and what are they going to do

01:32:05.830 --> 01:32:08.670
they have pedestrians from the roadways

01:32:09.190 --> 01:32:11.510
oh that would be great they're making

01:32:11.510 --> 01:32:13.650
zero i could get behind this no you

01:32:13.650 --> 01:32:17.090
that's bad but they want to build

01:32:17.090 --> 01:32:20.310
better safer roads that was the solution

01:32:20.970 --> 01:32:24.630
not demolish the current roads what is

01:32:24.630 --> 01:32:26.210
it better safer roads what is building

01:32:26.210 --> 01:32:28.110
better safer roads even having like

01:32:28.110 --> 01:32:30.090
putting in bicycle park putting in

01:32:30.090 --> 01:32:32.110
sidewalks there's most of these rural

01:32:32.110 --> 01:32:35.410
roads it's just a road right up against

01:32:35.410 --> 01:32:38.450
that the field yeah against against a

01:32:38.450 --> 01:32:41.290
barbed wire fence i don't know about the

01:32:41.290 --> 01:32:44.510
barbed wire fence but um i mean it was

01:32:44.510 --> 01:32:46.190
like a cowfield yeah it's just a road

01:32:46.190 --> 01:32:48.630
next to a barbed wire fence um no

01:32:48.630 --> 01:32:51.450
sidewalk pretty deep ditches to field

01:32:51.450 --> 01:32:54.310
at all yeah yeah it's like there's

01:32:54.310 --> 01:32:56.130
nothing to what it's just a car and

01:32:56.130 --> 01:32:57.950
right next to why are pedestrians

01:32:57.950 --> 01:32:59.890
walking down like a that sounds like

01:32:59.890 --> 01:33:02.050
a highway like from one city to the

01:33:02.050 --> 01:33:03.910
next i don't know are there really a lot

01:33:03.910 --> 01:33:05.370
of pedestrians there just walking along

01:33:05.370 --> 01:33:05.830
the road

01:33:06.870 --> 01:33:09.390
well that's what they're well they're

01:33:09.390 --> 01:33:11.370
kind of stupid they're not that's not

01:33:11.370 --> 01:33:12.750
where they're getting killed they're

01:33:12.750 --> 01:33:14.830
getting killed crossing the intersection

01:33:15.570 --> 01:33:18.230
so they're doing a running red lights

01:33:18.230 --> 01:33:20.330
they're they're not really looking

01:33:20.330 --> 01:33:22.730
into it so this road safety

01:33:22.730 --> 01:33:25.610
improvement is just um a wasted effort

01:33:26.410 --> 01:33:29.390
i mean it doesn't they don't want

01:33:29.390 --> 01:33:32.630
to address driver behavior because i guess

01:33:33.350 --> 01:33:35.490
everybody's right and you don't want to

01:33:35.490 --> 01:33:37.270
get the drivers mad because they won't

01:33:37.270 --> 01:33:39.650
vote against you um if you want to get

01:33:39.650 --> 01:33:43.270
elected um i don't know i just it just

01:33:43.270 --> 01:33:45.630
kind of stupid and i'm convinced that

01:33:45.630 --> 01:33:47.090
we should teach we should teach a

01:33:47.090 --> 01:33:48.790
little kids again to you know look both

01:33:48.790 --> 01:33:49.930
ways before they cross the street

01:33:50.490 --> 01:33:52.610
do they not do that anymore oh they

01:33:52.610 --> 01:33:54.750
don't only teach the kids i don't know

01:33:54.750 --> 01:33:55.510
if the parents teach them but

01:33:55.510 --> 01:33:57.070
people walk down the street without

01:33:57.070 --> 01:33:58.330
looking all the time i saw this guy

01:33:58.330 --> 01:34:00.370
just like start walking he it was

01:34:00.370 --> 01:34:01.350
dressed in dark clothing

01:34:01.350 --> 01:34:03.710
it was dark and he just started walking

01:34:03.710 --> 01:34:06.110
with no care and there was actually one

01:34:06.110 --> 01:34:07.730
of those buttons sarah has called in and

01:34:07.730 --> 01:34:08.950
said the actual name i don't remember

01:34:08.950 --> 01:34:10.810
where he could have lit up a traffic

01:34:10.810 --> 01:34:12.890
signal like a walk signal yeah he

01:34:12.890 --> 01:34:14.750
could have lit up yeah the hawk light

01:34:14.750 --> 01:34:15.850
thank you sarah that he was walking

01:34:15.850 --> 01:34:17.030
across the street he didn't even click

01:34:17.030 --> 01:34:18.990
that he didn't look both ways at all

01:34:18.990 --> 01:34:20.390
he's just acting like they'll stop

01:34:20.390 --> 01:34:22.010
well i mean there's a solution to this

01:34:22.010 --> 01:34:23.410
problem i mean that happens all the

01:34:23.410 --> 01:34:24.770
time that's just one example but

01:34:24.770 --> 01:34:26.570
keeping it and where i'm from an organ

01:34:26.570 --> 01:34:28.750
the pedestrian has the right of way

01:34:28.750 --> 01:34:30.530
regardless so i mean even if you hit

01:34:30.530 --> 01:34:32.450
them you're gonna be in trouble but then

01:34:32.450 --> 01:34:34.190
they're dead so like they should still

01:34:34.190 --> 01:34:35.810
look both ways that's what drives me

01:34:35.810 --> 01:34:37.710
crazy it's like yeah you should be

01:34:37.710 --> 01:34:39.410
looking we're driving absolutely this

01:34:39.410 --> 01:34:41.350
problem solves itself if you ask me

01:34:41.350 --> 01:34:43.950
and another thing is um bikes they

01:34:44.750 --> 01:34:46.430
should not just be allowed to just

01:34:46.970 --> 01:34:49.370
ride across the uh crosswalks because

01:34:49.370 --> 01:34:51.230
if you're going 25 miles an hour and

01:34:51.230 --> 01:34:53.190
somebody just pops up out of nowhere

01:34:53.190 --> 01:34:55.130
it's like a going like 15 miles an

01:34:55.130 --> 01:34:56.990
hour maybe on a bike like going

01:34:56.990 --> 01:34:58.430
pretty quickly and in keen it's not

01:34:58.430 --> 01:35:00.490
illegal and it's really messed up

01:35:00.490 --> 01:35:02.770
they're allowed to just swap back and

01:35:02.770 --> 01:35:04.550
forth from acting like a vehicle to

01:35:04.550 --> 01:35:05.910
acting like a pedestrian acting like

01:35:05.910 --> 01:35:07.490
and they don't have to stop and get

01:35:07.490 --> 01:35:09.690
off and walk their um bikes across

01:35:09.690 --> 01:35:11.730
this uh crosswalks it pissed me off

01:35:11.730 --> 01:35:17.070
yeah i mean so i want to hear what sarah

01:35:17.070 --> 01:35:19.010
has to say about maduro go ahead sarah

01:35:19.490 --> 01:35:22.030
you know i just wish i see all these

01:35:22.030 --> 01:35:25.910
protests and in support of venezuela

01:35:27.010 --> 01:35:29.830
and i just wish that i could be part of

01:35:29.830 --> 01:35:32.350
that protest did they have a protest in

01:35:32.350 --> 01:35:33.750
new york i think this is the first time

01:35:33.750 --> 01:35:35.270
we've actually been in agreement with

01:35:35.270 --> 01:35:37.530
sarah on anything i don't think i'd

01:35:37.530 --> 01:35:39.910
protest in in support of uh venezuela

01:35:39.910 --> 01:35:41.950
to be honest no no no no but i we're

01:35:41.950 --> 01:35:43.250
on the same side whether or not we

01:35:43.810 --> 01:35:45.490
agree no she's upset they took out the

01:35:45.490 --> 01:35:47.410
communist she actually is pro-communist

01:35:47.410 --> 01:35:48.690
yeah right i know that's what i'm

01:35:48.690 --> 01:35:50.870
saying oh i get it yeah yeah we're

01:35:50.870 --> 01:35:52.710
against the u.s going into yeah that's

01:35:52.710 --> 01:35:54.990
true so she oh okay i thought you were

01:35:54.990 --> 01:35:56.630
saying just that we were pro-communist

01:35:56.630 --> 01:35:58.330
no no no not that you thought you thought

01:35:58.330 --> 01:36:00.250
that i just no no no we're just to be

01:36:00.250 --> 01:36:02.810
clear we are not in support here i was

01:36:02.810 --> 01:36:04.070
like i don't know what was i thought

01:36:04.070 --> 01:36:06.270
was happening uh or his regime but we're

01:36:06.270 --> 01:36:07.890
also not in support of the u.s regime

01:36:09.090 --> 01:36:11.630
well that's what i am in support of

01:36:11.630 --> 01:36:15.530
the uh the maduro regime because all

01:36:15.530 --> 01:36:18.030
this asking about being on the

01:36:18.930 --> 01:36:21.510
work uh trafficking and all that just uh

01:36:21.510 --> 01:36:24.630
all a lie just to describe that the

01:36:24.630 --> 01:36:26.970
the barricade oil companies want to take

01:36:26.970 --> 01:36:28.570
back their oil companies do you think

01:36:28.570 --> 01:36:30.890
about it you think it's sarah do you

01:36:30.890 --> 01:36:32.450
think it's just oil or do you think

01:36:32.450 --> 01:36:34.130
it's more about the fact that venezuela

01:36:34.130 --> 01:36:36.810
wasn't a part of this central banking

01:36:36.810 --> 01:36:39.990
system well because they like they

01:36:39.990 --> 01:36:42.090
because they became socialist they got

01:36:42.090 --> 01:36:43.410
they got dropped out of it well

01:36:43.410 --> 01:36:45.650
they're punishing them for

01:36:46.730 --> 01:36:49.290
participating in in capitalism you know

01:36:49.290 --> 01:36:51.570
anytime that they come out and say we're

01:36:51.570 --> 01:36:54.030
communists we're socialists when um when

01:36:54.030 --> 01:36:56.070
they come out like that they want to

01:36:56.070 --> 01:36:58.610
make sure they squash them so they

01:36:58.610 --> 01:37:01.210
become a failure so then they become

01:37:01.210 --> 01:37:03.770
the epitome of communism i just want to

01:37:03.770 --> 01:37:05.310
say sarah believes that anytime a

01:37:05.310 --> 01:37:07.650
communist country fails it's always

01:37:07.650 --> 01:37:09.930
the united states fall in and there's

01:37:09.930 --> 01:37:12.390
a little bit of a concession there

01:37:12.390 --> 01:37:14.290
we can make to sarah that whenever

01:37:14.290 --> 01:37:16.450
the united states put sanctions on

01:37:16.450 --> 01:37:17.810
countries like cuba they definitely

01:37:17.810 --> 01:37:20.330
don't help but it's not always because

01:37:20.330 --> 01:37:21.610
that's because a lot of those common

01:37:22.130 --> 01:37:24.130
capital they all comes the capital is

01:37:24.130 --> 01:37:25.530
fun the communists because they need

01:37:25.530 --> 01:37:26.990
money for guns to overthrow their

01:37:26.990 --> 01:37:29.150
regime right so capital is always

01:37:29.150 --> 01:37:31.230
involved you always need capitalists

01:37:31.230 --> 01:37:32.950
so there's always going to be outside

01:37:32.950 --> 01:37:35.950
capital that injects funds into the

01:37:35.950 --> 01:37:38.410
red army of whatever country it is

01:37:38.410 --> 01:37:40.270
they happen to agree that like even

01:37:40.270 --> 01:37:43.250
cuba may do a little better off if

01:37:43.250 --> 01:37:44.970
if the united states in like sanctioned

01:37:44.970 --> 01:37:47.630
them like that yeah but then there's

01:37:47.630 --> 01:37:48.750
always going to be somebody to

01:37:48.750 --> 01:37:50.830
sanction them like whether it's the us

01:37:50.830 --> 01:37:52.650
or some other capitalist system

01:37:53.170 --> 01:37:55.150
they'll they'll move against that's

01:37:55.150 --> 01:37:56.090
true there's always like other

01:37:56.090 --> 01:37:57.450
countries do business with them if

01:37:57.450 --> 01:37:58.110
that's what you're saying

01:37:58.670 --> 01:38:00.690
well you know the oil ship that was

01:38:00.690 --> 01:38:03.630
recently we see uh seeds was they were

01:38:03.630 --> 01:38:06.490
taking oil to sanctioned cuba and

01:38:06.490 --> 01:38:08.690
that's why they pirated the ship and

01:38:08.690 --> 01:38:10.990
they took it but then they blame

01:38:10.990 --> 01:38:13.790
and they blame communism that cuba

01:38:13.790 --> 01:38:16.290
don't they're already starving and they

01:38:16.290 --> 01:38:18.390
have nothing because they see i think

01:38:18.390 --> 01:38:20.090
it's also communism that's where sarah

01:38:20.090 --> 01:38:23.450
and i murder you know stop agreeing is

01:38:23.450 --> 01:38:25.990
where i believe that cuba would also

01:38:25.990 --> 01:38:29.350
be doing bad anyway because of

01:38:29.350 --> 01:38:30.870
communism and sarah thinks no

01:38:30.870 --> 01:38:32.510
communism is great and it would do

01:38:32.510 --> 01:38:35.150
great if america just didn't sanction

01:38:35.150 --> 01:38:37.130
them but but like angel said you got

01:38:37.130 --> 01:38:38.810
to admit sarah plenty of other

01:38:38.810 --> 01:38:40.510
countries do business with cuba

01:38:40.510 --> 01:38:41.930
so why does it have to be the united

01:38:41.930 --> 01:38:43.350
you know i think it's certainly it's

01:38:43.350 --> 01:38:44.470
going to impact any countries

01:38:44.470 --> 01:38:45.890
almost any country's economy

01:38:45.890 --> 01:38:47.730
severely if the united states because

01:38:47.730 --> 01:38:48.870
we're such a big market

01:38:49.430 --> 01:38:51.050
um you know we're going to end up

01:38:51.050 --> 01:38:52.790
impacting their but if communism is so

01:38:52.790 --> 01:38:54.630
great then they probably wouldn't be

01:38:54.630 --> 01:38:56.210
like shoeless you know what i mean

01:38:56.210 --> 01:38:56.770
well

01:38:57.650 --> 01:38:59.590
independent of that i think you're

01:38:59.590 --> 01:39:01.190
going to see that you know country

01:39:01.190 --> 01:39:02.610
like venezuela would be able to

01:39:02.610 --> 01:39:04.350
survive you know just fine without

01:39:04.350 --> 01:39:05.650
doing business with the united states

01:39:05.650 --> 01:39:05.910
maybe

01:39:06.430 --> 01:39:08.510
um but the united states takes

01:39:08.510 --> 01:39:11.890
actions to prevent uh venezuela from

01:39:11.890 --> 01:39:13.510
trading with other countries which has

01:39:13.510 --> 01:39:15.490
a negative impact yeah that's going on

01:39:15.490 --> 01:39:17.610
beyond just sanctioned that's true yeah

01:39:17.610 --> 01:39:21.270
yeah um but i still think that even if

01:39:21.270 --> 01:39:23.450
the united states didn't sanction these

01:39:23.450 --> 01:39:25.690
countries then just under communism alone

01:39:25.690 --> 01:39:27.650
and they had every right to do other

01:39:27.650 --> 01:39:27.950
things

01:39:27.950 --> 01:39:30.170
like you know like angel is saying i

01:39:30.170 --> 01:39:31.410
mean if they were on the us petro

01:39:31.410 --> 01:39:33.390
dollar we wouldn't care it's you know

01:39:33.390 --> 01:39:34.490
what it is the united states wouldn't

01:39:34.490 --> 01:39:35.590
care yeah the united states would not

01:39:35.590 --> 01:39:36.990
care if these were so like hyper

01:39:36.990 --> 01:39:38.950
communist countries if they traded clear

01:39:38.950 --> 01:39:40.790
that we all agree oil and us i want to

01:39:40.790 --> 01:39:41.790
make sure we all agree on this

01:39:41.790 --> 01:39:44.550
if the united states wasn't sanctioning

01:39:44.550 --> 01:39:46.030
any communist countries they would

01:39:46.030 --> 01:39:47.890
still their average person living there

01:39:47.890 --> 01:39:48.990
would still be living in poverty

01:39:48.990 --> 01:39:50.050
because of the way that social

01:39:50.050 --> 01:39:51.610
communism would cause that i think the

01:39:51.610 --> 01:39:53.850
answer to this is it depends um it's

01:39:53.850 --> 01:39:55.550
depends so the prosperity is going to

01:39:55.550 --> 01:39:58.010
be reduced you know through any kind

01:39:58.010 --> 01:40:00.050
of communist system but if you have a

01:40:00.050 --> 01:40:01.550
for example um i'm trying to think

01:40:01.550 --> 01:40:05.210
of is it sweden or i'm trying to

01:40:05.210 --> 01:40:06.410
think which country it is i mean all

01:40:06.410 --> 01:40:08.030
those european countries are socialists

01:40:08.030 --> 01:40:09.610
for one thing not i mean like they're not

01:40:09.610 --> 01:40:11.570
communists like straight up like you

01:40:11.570 --> 01:40:13.830
can't own anything privately in sure but

01:40:13.830 --> 01:40:15.490
the point that i'm no incentives for

01:40:15.490 --> 01:40:16.630
the point that i'm trying to make with

01:40:16.630 --> 01:40:19.450
with targeting a specific country is

01:40:19.450 --> 01:40:21.590
that they are an oil rich country and

01:40:21.590 --> 01:40:24.230
the population is small and so it

01:40:24.230 --> 01:40:25.770
whether even if they went to a full

01:40:25.770 --> 01:40:27.350
on communist system it would not

01:40:27.350 --> 01:40:30.650
impact um you know the quality of

01:40:30.650 --> 01:40:33.270
life to you know a degree that

01:40:33.270 --> 01:40:35.030
wouldn't matter necessarily because

01:40:35.030 --> 01:40:37.410
most of the revenue that they get is

01:40:37.410 --> 01:40:39.170
from oil it's not i think it's still

01:40:39.170 --> 01:40:40.610
would because if you don't have any

01:40:40.610 --> 01:40:42.270
incentive to do any better than your

01:40:42.270 --> 01:40:44.190
neighbor you're gonna do the least

01:40:44.190 --> 01:40:45.790
amount possible and not not do better

01:40:45.790 --> 01:40:46.870
you're not going to start a new you

01:40:46.870 --> 01:40:47.950
won't be able to start up a new

01:40:47.950 --> 01:40:49.730
business and cause other people to move

01:40:49.730 --> 01:40:51.150
up in ranks and stuff like that that's

01:40:51.150 --> 01:40:52.870
just what communism creates whether

01:40:52.870 --> 01:40:54.870
you have oil or not we have we have

01:40:54.870 --> 01:40:56.270
countries that that might mean the

01:40:56.270 --> 01:40:57.850
government still does fine that

01:40:57.850 --> 01:40:59.010
doesn't mean the average person would

01:40:59.010 --> 01:41:00.790
still do fine like it like we can

01:41:00.790 --> 01:41:02.010
look at history we can let's back up

01:41:02.010 --> 01:41:03.210
a moment and take some other example

01:41:03.210 --> 01:41:04.350
so there's some middle eastern

01:41:04.350 --> 01:41:06.370
countries that have small populations

01:41:06.370 --> 01:41:08.570
and are oil rich right and and those

01:41:08.570 --> 01:41:10.730
countries actually like like one of

01:41:10.730 --> 01:41:12.650
them i don't know if it's is a guitar

01:41:12.650 --> 01:41:15.750
guitar or koi but like for example

01:41:15.750 --> 01:41:18.470
they basically feed their people um

01:41:18.470 --> 01:41:20.110
and they don't feed the foreigners

01:41:20.110 --> 01:41:22.450
but they feed their their own people

01:41:22.450 --> 01:41:23.950
but that still relies on outside

01:41:23.950 --> 01:41:26.290
capitalism no it doesn't it's it's

01:41:26.290 --> 01:41:27.830
well how were they training where

01:41:27.830 --> 01:41:29.090
are they getting their goods from

01:41:29.090 --> 01:41:31.050
to feed their family like you're

01:41:31.050 --> 01:41:32.330
saying if they're doing you know

01:41:32.330 --> 01:41:33.410
they're doing business with somebody

01:41:33.410 --> 01:41:35.670
oil wealth so the state sells the oil

01:41:35.670 --> 01:41:37.030
right so two other countries so that's

01:41:37.030 --> 01:41:38.250
what he's okay but those other

01:41:38.250 --> 01:41:40.110
countries have to produce goods so

01:41:40.110 --> 01:41:41.830
they're still using capitalism to feed

01:41:41.830 --> 01:41:44.570
their families right they're used

01:41:44.570 --> 01:41:45.490
they're just they're just saying

01:41:45.490 --> 01:41:47.110
they're not because they remove oil is

01:41:47.110 --> 01:41:48.230
the only thing they just took one

01:41:48.230 --> 01:41:49.510
step away from it you're still

01:41:49.510 --> 01:41:52.370
benefiting from your from capitalism

01:41:52.370 --> 01:41:53.770
right i understand where you're

01:41:53.770 --> 01:41:55.170
looking at it from and i don't think

01:41:55.170 --> 01:41:57.230
that's necessarily wrong um the

01:41:57.230 --> 01:41:58.710
capitalism is the economic

01:41:58.710 --> 01:42:00.170
productivity that you're going to

01:42:00.170 --> 01:42:02.250
get um but it's external to the

01:42:02.250 --> 01:42:04.550
country right so in the case of a

01:42:04.550 --> 01:42:06.150
country that's oil rich it doesn't

01:42:06.150 --> 01:42:07.770
have to be productive and this is one

01:42:07.770 --> 01:42:09.510
of the things we see in many oil rich

01:42:09.510 --> 01:42:11.410
countries they're very in they're very

01:42:11.410 --> 01:42:13.270
non-productive in terms of everything

01:42:13.270 --> 01:42:15.930
other than oil because well you know

01:42:15.930 --> 01:42:17.350
the oil makes them so much more money

01:42:17.350 --> 01:42:18.690
than any kind of other economic

01:42:18.690 --> 01:42:20.810
activity that they might do and so what

01:42:20.810 --> 01:42:22.590
you have is in some in some cases

01:42:22.590 --> 01:42:24.790
you have very oil rich countries with

01:42:24.790 --> 01:42:26.870
dictatorships and or you know

01:42:27.670 --> 01:42:30.470
socialists states that really don't

01:42:30.470 --> 01:42:33.630
need to depend on innovation and

01:42:33.630 --> 01:42:35.130
economic other types of economic

01:42:35.130 --> 01:42:37.950
activity um in in order to be sort of

01:42:37.950 --> 01:42:39.670
successful it's and this is why it's

01:42:39.670 --> 01:42:41.370
kind of hard to compare like capital

01:42:41.370 --> 01:42:44.450
western capitalists countries with um

01:42:44.450 --> 01:42:46.570
you know uh socialist countries because

01:42:46.570 --> 01:42:48.670
it it really does depend on you know

01:42:48.670 --> 01:42:51.590
other aspects like resources resources

01:42:51.590 --> 01:42:53.750
so i just look something up we all

01:42:53.750 --> 01:42:55.230
know venezuela's or oil rich

01:42:55.230 --> 01:42:57.250
we all know venezuela was so

01:42:57.250 --> 01:42:59.530
down bad that people like our own

01:42:59.530 --> 01:43:00.470
friend malaise

01:43:01.250 --> 01:43:03.950
left it back in like the i think the

01:43:03.950 --> 01:43:05.390
80s because um

01:43:05.390 --> 01:43:06.290
chavez

01:43:06.890 --> 01:43:08.990
became president in the that was the 90s

01:43:08.990 --> 01:43:11.150
1999 that was chavez but before chavez

01:43:11.150 --> 01:43:12.030
they were still going

01:43:12.030 --> 01:43:13.770
they were going like socialist then

01:43:13.770 --> 01:43:15.090
then straight on communist

01:43:15.090 --> 01:43:16.590
dictatorship in 1999

01:43:17.330 --> 01:43:19.750
in the u.s. did not add sanctions to

01:43:19.750 --> 01:43:22.350
venezuela until 2014-15 under

01:43:22.350 --> 01:43:23.510
president obama that's what i just

01:43:23.510 --> 01:43:23.790
learned

01:43:23.790 --> 01:43:24.970
so clearly yeah

01:43:24.970 --> 01:43:27.330
it harmed them really badly to where

01:43:27.330 --> 01:43:27.910
people were like

01:43:27.910 --> 01:43:30.450
i can't live here i need to run away on

01:43:30.450 --> 01:43:31.070
boats

01:43:31.930 --> 01:43:33.830
many years before the united states started

01:43:34.250 --> 01:43:35.790
sanctioning them so i just i don't think

01:43:35.790 --> 01:43:36.850
there's really that much

01:43:36.850 --> 01:43:38.150
evidence for what you're saying that

01:43:38.150 --> 01:43:39.330
people everybody would be like no we're

01:43:39.330 --> 01:43:40.870
totally fine we're totally fine we're

01:43:40.870 --> 01:43:42.910
just communist and yeah well again

01:43:42.910 --> 01:43:45.150
remember the it depends on how much

01:43:45.150 --> 01:43:46.310
oil is being produced and whether or

01:43:46.310 --> 01:43:47.530
not they're being sanctioned and other

01:43:47.530 --> 01:43:49.410
other factors right so one of the

01:43:49.410 --> 01:43:50.770
problems with venezuela is it

01:43:50.770 --> 01:43:52.070
wasn't able to produce the oil

01:43:52.070 --> 01:43:53.650
that it you know after sanctions it

01:43:53.650 --> 01:43:54.630
wasn't able to produce the oil that

01:43:54.630 --> 01:43:55.330
it was able to

01:43:55.330 --> 01:43:56.990
but people are already having bad

01:43:56.990 --> 01:43:58.310
quality of life yeah

01:43:58.310 --> 01:44:00.330
way before any sanctions i just show

01:44:00.330 --> 01:44:01.670
that to you what you have to what you

01:44:01.670 --> 01:44:02.850
have to remember is it's on a per

01:44:02.850 --> 01:44:04.030
population basis right

01:44:04.030 --> 01:44:07.490
so it completely depends and and how

01:44:07.490 --> 01:44:08.250
effective is it right

01:44:08.250 --> 01:44:10.510
so if it's being effectively if the

01:44:10.510 --> 01:44:12.050
money's coming in or being effectively

01:44:12.050 --> 01:44:13.750
distributed or not you can have a

01:44:13.750 --> 01:44:15.310
situation where um you know the

01:44:15.310 --> 01:44:17.050
what's the incentive in a long

01:44:17.050 --> 01:44:19.150
long run what's the incentive for the

01:44:19.150 --> 01:44:21.210
person on top in a communist system

01:44:21.210 --> 01:44:24.370
to hand out this right amount of

01:44:24.370 --> 01:44:26.390
money to everyone and what if you

01:44:26.390 --> 01:44:29.290
get ahead yeah i'm not i'm not saying i'm

01:44:29.290 --> 01:44:30.190
not promoting trying to promote

01:44:30.190 --> 01:44:31.890
communism here i understand that i just

01:44:31.890 --> 01:44:33.170
i'm just telling you that the incentives

01:44:33.170 --> 01:44:35.450
will only make it to where like they

01:44:35.450 --> 01:44:36.870
have the most and then the people

01:44:36.870 --> 01:44:38.130
underneath them have the least that's

01:44:38.130 --> 01:44:40.170
what always happens that's why my

01:44:40.170 --> 01:44:41.950
hero is fat i mean you know you could

01:44:41.950 --> 01:44:43.350
say the same thing about western you

01:44:43.350 --> 01:44:45.410
know um you know capitalists uh

01:44:45.410 --> 01:44:47.410
countries as well i mean no capitalist

01:44:47.410 --> 01:44:50.490
people have have an incentive to have

01:44:50.490 --> 01:44:52.230
other people do well on top of them

01:44:52.230 --> 01:44:54.010
selves doing well communist do not

01:44:54.550 --> 01:44:55.830
that is absolutely true

01:44:55.830 --> 01:44:57.750
truth i mean i'm not talking about crony

01:44:57.750 --> 01:45:00.350
capitalist um which i hope you know the

01:45:00.350 --> 01:45:02.510
difference is like when they're using the

01:45:02.510 --> 01:45:04.430
government to squash competition stuff

01:45:04.430 --> 01:45:06.150
like that but under real capitalism

01:45:06.150 --> 01:45:09.230
there's absolutely incentives for other

01:45:09.230 --> 01:45:10.950
people other than yourself to do well

01:45:10.950 --> 01:45:14.050
you want customers you want innovation

01:45:14.050 --> 01:45:17.010
you want people that can invent you

01:45:17.010 --> 01:45:18.470
want and they can't if they don't have

01:45:18.470 --> 01:45:20.610
any free time they have to work in

01:45:20.610 --> 01:45:22.530
the fields all day to make food but

01:45:22.530 --> 01:45:24.230
as soon as the not just government

01:45:24.230 --> 01:45:26.070
gets involved as soon as the government

01:45:26.070 --> 01:45:28.630
gets involved but also people joining up

01:45:28.630 --> 01:45:30.190
together like companies joining up

01:45:30.190 --> 01:45:32.050
together to make regulations and well

01:45:32.050 --> 01:45:33.430
it's basically the government i gotta

01:45:33.430 --> 01:45:34.470
say i think it's just

01:45:34.470 --> 01:45:40.010
who would have it took over um that um

01:45:40.010 --> 01:45:42.170
they had a overthrow like these are

01:45:42.170 --> 01:45:45.130
kindness they took the oil from the

01:45:45.130 --> 01:45:47.490
private companies and they nationalized

01:45:47.490 --> 01:45:50.210
it so then he takes that money and

01:45:50.210 --> 01:45:52.690
built hospitals and schools for the

01:45:52.690 --> 01:45:55.570
community now what is what is so wrong

01:45:55.570 --> 01:45:58.130
it's so evil about communism

01:45:58.130 --> 01:46:00.650
except that in that situation you just

01:46:00.650 --> 01:46:02.730
spelled out what's wrong and evil is

01:46:02.730 --> 01:46:04.530
like a billion dollars a year

01:46:04.530 --> 01:46:07.330
well what's wrong and evil in that

01:46:07.330 --> 01:46:09.670
situation you just laid out where the

01:46:10.470 --> 01:46:12.270
where Hugo Chavez when he took over

01:46:12.270 --> 01:46:14.390
nationalized oil and like ExxonMobil

01:46:14.390 --> 01:46:16.550
and some other American oil companies

01:46:17.310 --> 01:46:19.050
had their things on is the stealing

01:46:19.050 --> 01:46:20.890
that's wrong and evil here Sarah

01:46:21.630 --> 01:46:23.630
i i think you just back up why would the

01:46:23.630 --> 01:46:26.030
CEO of that company make like a billion

01:46:26.030 --> 01:46:28.550
dollars a year well what does he deserve

01:46:28.550 --> 01:46:30.930
why why would a capitalist that probably

01:46:30.930 --> 01:46:33.050
has more to do with government that

01:46:33.050 --> 01:46:35.590
have probably the fact that a um person

01:46:35.590 --> 01:46:37.370
is making a billion dollars a year being

01:46:37.370 --> 01:46:40.310
just the CEO of one company it probably

01:46:40.310 --> 01:46:43.450
is because of government involvement

01:46:43.450 --> 01:46:45.870
creating monopolies creating special

01:46:46.490 --> 01:46:49.490
rules for his um industry he's in and

01:46:50.010 --> 01:46:52.090
not letting other people into the industry

01:46:52.090 --> 01:46:53.910
stuff like that and that isn't capitalism

01:46:53.910 --> 01:46:56.270
Sarah that is cronyism that's government

01:46:56.270 --> 01:46:59.130
involvement in um companies which is

01:46:59.890 --> 01:47:03.430
not allowed in true capitalism in

01:47:03.430 --> 01:47:05.530
reality communist true communism has

01:47:05.530 --> 01:47:07.530
been tried and true capitalism has not

01:47:08.310 --> 01:47:09.490
you know you should back up a moment

01:47:09.490 --> 01:47:11.370
too though um so the one of the

01:47:11.370 --> 01:47:13.010
problems is that you're undermining

01:47:13.010 --> 01:47:15.730
economic efficiencies right um so for

01:47:15.730 --> 01:47:20.030
example um okay so what they did in

01:47:20.030 --> 01:47:24.070
Venezuela was probably worse than like

01:47:24.070 --> 01:47:26.710
like it could have been so one of the

01:47:26.710 --> 01:47:28.770
things is when you steal right so they

01:47:28.770 --> 01:47:32.550
stole from entities that then are no

01:47:32.550 --> 01:47:35.410
longer profitable and it basically gives

01:47:35.410 --> 01:47:38.690
you a one-time um you know free for

01:47:38.690 --> 01:47:40.950
all of of money of value to distribute

01:47:40.950 --> 01:47:43.270
to your to your people right so like

01:47:43.270 --> 01:47:44.450
for example we take over a grocery

01:47:44.450 --> 01:47:46.350
store chain well the problem is that

01:47:46.350 --> 01:47:47.850
once that grocery store chain is taken

01:47:47.850 --> 01:47:49.010
over and the food's been distributed

01:47:49.010 --> 01:47:50.650
there's no more grocery store chain

01:47:50.650 --> 01:47:52.950
and because there's nobody left to

01:47:52.950 --> 01:47:55.210
invest in that grocery store chain

01:47:55.210 --> 01:47:57.330
right and you've just destroyed the

01:47:57.330 --> 01:47:58.630
incentive of anybody else to try

01:47:58.630 --> 01:48:00.870
exactly and so and so it's it's

01:48:00.870 --> 01:48:03.270
that's the problem uh Sarah it's

01:48:03.270 --> 01:48:05.190
it's not even like you know it's not

01:48:05.190 --> 01:48:07.630
that like you can't and it's let's

01:48:07.630 --> 01:48:08.830
say you don't do it that way right

01:48:08.830 --> 01:48:11.730
let's say you allow um something to

01:48:11.730 --> 01:48:13.190
continue somebody to continue to

01:48:13.190 --> 01:48:14.710
profit off it to some degree right

01:48:15.190 --> 01:48:16.850
so you sort of maybe limit it right

01:48:16.850 --> 01:48:19.530
economic or you slowly take it over in

01:48:19.530 --> 01:48:20.690
such a way that that doesn't happen

01:48:20.690 --> 01:48:23.110
well what you end up having is you

01:48:23.110 --> 01:48:26.290
still have a it still undermines

01:48:26.290 --> 01:48:28.470
economic efficiencies in that people

01:48:28.470 --> 01:48:30.090
are no longer incentivized to work

01:48:30.090 --> 01:48:33.210
right and and so if you if there's

01:48:33.210 --> 01:48:34.470
no longer incentivized to work

01:48:34.470 --> 01:48:35.950
because they don't benefit from that

01:48:35.950 --> 01:48:37.670
work or they don't benefit to that

01:48:37.670 --> 01:48:40.330
from that work to the degree that

01:48:40.330 --> 01:48:43.170
they've put in energies right um you

01:48:43.170 --> 01:48:45.270
end up you end up with a system that

01:48:45.270 --> 01:48:47.790
falters it may take 50 years for it to

01:48:47.790 --> 01:48:49.510
falter and collapse but it's still

01:48:49.510 --> 01:48:51.770
eventually falters and collapses now

01:48:51.770 --> 01:48:54.590
you can sometimes uh keep a system going

01:48:54.590 --> 01:48:57.230
um a communist system going like that

01:48:57.230 --> 01:49:00.990
if there are um uh if you have

01:49:00.990 --> 01:49:02.830
resource wealth so in other words you

01:49:02.830 --> 01:49:04.650
have oil or you have something else

01:49:04.650 --> 01:49:06.490
of value that might be extractable

01:49:06.490 --> 01:49:08.170
from the ground to sell to you know

01:49:08.170 --> 01:49:11.110
western uh capitalist countries but

01:49:11.110 --> 01:49:12.830
ultimately at the end of the day that

01:49:12.830 --> 01:49:15.230
doesn't work for a good portion of the

01:49:15.230 --> 01:49:17.850
world not every country has oil in

01:49:17.850 --> 01:49:19.810
abundance and if it does have oil in

01:49:19.810 --> 01:49:20.990
abundance not every country that has

01:49:20.990 --> 01:49:22.670
oil in abundance has a small enough

01:49:22.670 --> 01:49:25.090
population where on a per population

01:49:25.090 --> 01:49:28.070
or was a per capita basis um you

01:49:28.070 --> 01:49:29.850
know the the math works out. They can keep people

01:49:29.850 --> 01:49:32.450
okay monetarily with just one

01:49:33.050 --> 01:49:35.530
business basically or like one industry

01:49:35.530 --> 01:49:38.630
yeah basically yep I feel like that'd be

01:49:38.630 --> 01:49:41.550
very few places in the world before

01:49:41.550 --> 01:49:44.430
before Hugo Chavez so the oil company

01:49:44.430 --> 01:49:47.450
is just gonna go and pour all of their

01:49:47.450 --> 01:49:49.870
oil for their profit and what is that

01:49:49.870 --> 01:49:51.950
that is well and people gonna get so

01:49:51.950 --> 01:49:53.610
hold on let's I think that Chris did

01:49:53.610 --> 01:49:55.070
already go over that yeah let's let's

01:49:55.070 --> 01:49:56.350
back up a moment and think about what

01:49:56.350 --> 01:49:57.350
they could have done differently

01:49:57.950 --> 01:50:01.330
um while still basically uh how do I

01:50:01.330 --> 01:50:03.850
say this um socializing the the oil

01:50:03.850 --> 01:50:05.890
industry so this is kind of crazy that

01:50:05.890 --> 01:50:07.750
a libertarian is gonna is gonna say this

01:50:07.750 --> 01:50:11.490
but it's not impossible to nationalize

01:50:11.490 --> 01:50:15.810
an oil industry um and not uh how do I

01:50:15.810 --> 01:50:18.970
say this um uh and I have it not

01:50:18.970 --> 01:50:21.050
collapse basically right and if you

01:50:21.050 --> 01:50:22.530
want to look at an example of how to

01:50:22.530 --> 01:50:24.930
do this um Saudi Arabia is a great

01:50:24.930 --> 01:50:26.370
example so I'm pretty sure it's

01:50:26.370 --> 01:50:28.230
Saudi Arabia I'm thinking of so Saudi

01:50:28.230 --> 01:50:32.670
Arabia was basically it started off

01:50:32.670 --> 01:50:36.850
with um uh let's see uh the U.S. I

01:50:36.850 --> 01:50:38.330
believe it was and I think maybe the

01:50:38.330 --> 01:50:41.710
Brits um investing in building the

01:50:41.710 --> 01:50:43.670
infrastructure because Saudi Arabia was

01:50:43.670 --> 01:50:45.270
impoverished basically it was I think

01:50:45.270 --> 01:50:46.690
it was like uh I don't know if it was

01:50:46.690 --> 01:50:47.750
like a they don't have a whole lot

01:50:47.750 --> 01:50:49.650
other than um yeah they don't even

01:50:49.650 --> 01:50:51.410
have any water right yeah well the

01:50:51.410 --> 01:50:53.550
point is that after the investments

01:50:53.550 --> 01:50:56.490
occurred there was a time frame in

01:50:56.490 --> 01:50:58.710
which after 50 after 25 years you know

01:50:58.710 --> 01:51:00.430
they got 50 percent of the oil

01:51:00.430 --> 01:51:02.610
company basically and after 100 years

01:51:02.610 --> 01:51:04.010
it's like 100 percent of the oil company

01:51:04.010 --> 01:51:08.150
so so that would be a fair way to get

01:51:08.150 --> 01:51:10.250
the other people involved out of it

01:51:10.250 --> 01:51:11.410
without just stealing from them is

01:51:11.410 --> 01:51:12.590
what you're saying yeah kind of and

01:51:12.590 --> 01:51:14.550
that's in the contract right exactly

01:51:14.550 --> 01:51:17.130
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from feature story news in washington

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i'm tony waterman

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president donald trump says the us is

01:53:37.190 --> 01:53:39.810
locked and loaded and ready to go

01:53:39.810 --> 01:53:42.150
if peaceful protesters are killed in

01:53:42.150 --> 01:53:44.430
iran amid nationwide unrest

01:53:44.430 --> 01:53:46.650
he issued the warning in an early

01:53:46.650 --> 01:53:48.330
morning post to social media

01:53:48.330 --> 01:53:50.470
saying the us will come to the

01:53:50.470 --> 01:53:52.270
rescue of peaceful protesters

01:53:52.270 --> 01:53:54.750
mass demonstrations erupted a week

01:53:54.750 --> 01:53:56.750
ago in major cities like tehran

01:53:56.750 --> 01:53:59.030
but have since spread to smaller towns

01:53:59.030 --> 01:54:01.350
as citizens vent their frustration

01:54:01.350 --> 01:54:02.790
over the worsening economy

01:54:02.790 --> 01:54:05.070
at least six people have been killed

01:54:05.070 --> 01:54:06.650
and seventeen wounded

01:54:06.650 --> 01:54:08.670
it's the biggest threat to iran's

01:54:08.670 --> 01:54:10.190
government since 2022

01:54:10.190 --> 01:54:12.790
when protests erupted over the death

01:54:12.790 --> 01:54:14.650
of a young woman who was arrested

01:54:14.650 --> 01:54:16.810
for allegedly not wearing her

01:54:16.810 --> 01:54:17.870
hijab correctly

01:54:17.870 --> 01:54:20.470
in response to trumps latest threat

01:54:20.470 --> 01:54:22.810
iran says it will not allow foreign

01:54:22.810 --> 01:54:24.370
interference in the country

01:54:24.950 --> 01:54:27.090
tensions between tehran and washington

01:54:27.090 --> 01:54:29.350
have intensified in recent weeks

01:54:29.350 --> 01:54:31.850
just on monday trump said he'd order

01:54:31.850 --> 01:54:33.230
more strikes on iran

01:54:33.230 --> 01:54:35.130
if it tries to rebuild its nuclear

01:54:35.130 --> 01:54:37.570
capabilities after the us destroyed

01:54:37.570 --> 01:54:39.170
some sites in june

01:54:39.910 --> 01:54:41.530
swiss authorities continue to

01:54:41.530 --> 01:54:43.630
identify the victims of a deadly

01:54:43.630 --> 01:54:45.590
new year's eve nightclub fire

01:54:45.590 --> 01:54:47.730
they say sparklers on champagne

01:54:47.730 --> 01:54:48.270
bottles

01:54:48.270 --> 01:54:50.570
held too closely to the ceiling

01:54:50.570 --> 01:54:52.450
are to blame for the blaze

01:54:52.450 --> 01:54:54.710
at least forty people were killed

01:54:54.710 --> 01:54:56.910
and more than a hundred others were

01:54:56.910 --> 01:54:57.330
injured

01:54:57.330 --> 01:54:59.930
the majority of whom are in intensive

01:54:59.930 --> 01:55:00.370
care

01:55:00.370 --> 01:55:03.290
france is among several european nations

01:55:03.290 --> 01:55:04.990
treating some of the victims

01:55:05.670 --> 01:55:07.650
fsn's ross cullen reports

01:55:08.590 --> 01:55:10.030
people who suffered burns in the

01:55:10.030 --> 01:55:11.650
fatal fire are being looked after

01:55:11.650 --> 01:55:13.630
in hospitals in paris and in leon

01:55:13.630 --> 01:55:15.350
where france's top plastic

01:55:15.350 --> 01:55:17.150
surgeons are on standby to assist

01:55:17.150 --> 01:55:20.210
with specialist reconstructive care for burns victims

01:55:20.210 --> 01:55:22.470
french citizens were among those injured

01:55:22.470 --> 01:55:23.990
and there are still french nationals

01:55:23.990 --> 01:55:25.450
missing with several italians

01:55:25.450 --> 01:55:26.850
also unaccounted for

01:55:26.850 --> 01:55:28.950
police are working to identify all the

01:55:28.950 --> 01:55:31.070
victims and investigate how the fire

01:55:31.070 --> 01:55:31.550
started

01:55:31.550 --> 01:55:33.730
it broke out in the constellation bar

01:55:33.730 --> 01:55:36.130
in the swiss ski resort of cons montana

01:55:36.130 --> 01:55:38.230
in the early hours of new year's day

01:55:38.230 --> 01:55:40.910
senior israeli prison officials have

01:55:40.910 --> 01:55:42.650
visited a crocodile farm

01:55:42.650 --> 01:55:44.650
after a top official proposed

01:55:44.650 --> 01:55:47.110
building a new high-security prison

01:55:47.110 --> 01:55:49.550
surrounded by the deadly reptile

01:55:49.550 --> 01:55:53.130
fsn's blake sifton reports from televieve

01:55:53.750 --> 01:55:55.710
a delegation led by the deputy

01:55:55.710 --> 01:55:57.830
commissioner of israel's prison service

01:55:57.830 --> 01:56:00.670
visited a crocodile farm on thursday

01:56:00.670 --> 01:56:02.610
to learn about crocodile care and

01:56:02.610 --> 01:56:03.090
handling

01:56:03.530 --> 01:56:05.470
last week far-right national security

01:56:05.470 --> 01:56:06.590
minister ben grover

01:56:06.590 --> 01:56:08.610
proposed building a new detention

01:56:08.610 --> 01:56:10.990
facility surrounded by crocodiles

01:56:10.990 --> 01:56:12.770
to hold palestinian prisoners

01:56:12.770 --> 01:56:14.270
jailed for security offenses

01:56:14.810 --> 01:56:16.550
he suggested the plan would prevent

01:56:16.550 --> 01:56:18.370
escapes and act as a deterrent

01:56:18.370 --> 01:56:20.230
and said it was inspired by the

01:56:20.230 --> 01:56:22.450
alligator alcatraz detention facility

01:56:22.450 --> 01:56:23.750
in the florida everglades

01:56:24.690 --> 01:56:26.070
from bureaus worldwide

01:56:26.070 --> 01:56:28.090
this is fsn

01:56:28.890 --> 01:56:31.770
with fsn spotlight i'm simon marx

01:56:31.770 --> 01:56:33.370
looking today in more detail at the

01:56:33.370 --> 01:56:34.470
very welcome development

01:56:34.470 --> 01:56:37.110
that wild salmon have been seen for

01:56:37.110 --> 01:56:38.850
the first time since 2015

01:56:39.390 --> 01:56:41.250
in three english rivers

01:56:41.250 --> 01:56:43.850
the mersey the bollin and the goit

01:56:43.850 --> 01:56:46.230
returning to those waters in britain's

01:56:46.230 --> 01:56:47.210
gritty northwest

01:56:47.730 --> 01:56:49.650
meaning they have made it all the way

01:56:49.650 --> 01:56:51.130
from the arctic circle

01:56:51.130 --> 01:56:53.790
to spawn in the river's gravel beds

01:56:53.790 --> 01:56:56.030
the actor james murray is the deputy

01:56:56.030 --> 01:56:57.510
chair of river action

01:56:57.510 --> 01:56:59.930
and has campaigned for british rivers

01:56:59.930 --> 01:57:01.850
and wild salmon specifically

01:57:01.850 --> 01:57:03.710
what it says to me is there is hope

01:57:03.710 --> 01:57:05.670
if you clean up these rivers

01:57:05.670 --> 01:57:08.650
if you let them return to levels

01:57:08.650 --> 01:57:10.090
of health that they should be

01:57:10.090 --> 01:57:11.410
then the salmon will return

01:57:11.410 --> 01:57:14.430
they're a very resilient canary

01:57:14.430 --> 01:57:16.670
the coal mine keynote species

01:57:17.450 --> 01:57:20.090
that will show you that your rivers

01:57:20.090 --> 01:57:22.770
are in good health by living there

01:57:22.770 --> 01:57:24.970
and we need it not just to be a local

01:57:24.970 --> 01:57:26.430
good news story it needs to be a

01:57:26.430 --> 01:57:27.690
national good news story

01:57:27.690 --> 01:57:29.610
this species is in danger

01:57:29.610 --> 01:57:31.510
it was on the red list from 2023

01:57:32.130 --> 01:57:33.830
we need to take it off the red list

01:57:33.830 --> 01:57:36.030
and make it abundant again in

01:57:36.030 --> 01:57:37.330
in its returning numbers

01:57:37.330 --> 01:57:39.290
as it was pre-industrial

01:57:39.290 --> 01:57:41.610
revolution and as it could be a game

01:57:41.610 --> 01:57:44.230
as these rivers in the northwest have shown us

01:57:44.230 --> 01:57:46.030
Sir David Attenborough has long argued

01:57:46.030 --> 01:57:48.450
that waterways and oceans can return to

01:57:48.450 --> 01:57:50.190
life in a short space of time

01:57:50.190 --> 01:57:52.870
given focus and environmental commitment

01:57:52.870 --> 01:57:55.150
and in the northwest of england at least

01:57:55.150 --> 01:57:57.370
the salmon are bearing that out

01:57:58.010 --> 01:58:00.010
and a recap of today's headlines

01:58:00.570 --> 01:58:02.730
President Donald Trump says the U.S. is

01:58:02.730 --> 01:58:05.170
locked and loaded if peaceful protesters

01:58:05.170 --> 01:58:07.290
are killed in Iran amid nationwide

01:58:07.290 --> 01:58:07.950
unrest

01:58:08.730 --> 01:58:10.690
Swiss authorities continue to identify

01:58:10.690 --> 01:58:12.710
the victims of a deadly New Year's Eve

01:58:12.710 --> 01:58:13.550
nightclub fire

01:58:13.550 --> 01:58:15.850
they say sparklers on champagne bottles

01:58:15.850 --> 01:58:17.710
are to blame for the blaze

01:58:17.710 --> 01:58:19.950
Israeli prison officials have visited

01:58:19.950 --> 01:58:22.390
a crocodile farm after a top official

01:58:22.390 --> 01:58:23.510
proposed a new prison

01:58:23.510 --> 01:58:25.810
surrounded by the deadly reptile

01:58:26.650 --> 01:58:28.130
that's feature story news

01:58:28.130 --> 01:58:29.730
Tony Waterman reporting

01:58:33.850 --> 01:58:36.790
like many young inner city students

01:58:36.790 --> 01:58:38.850
chicago area high school sophomore

01:58:38.850 --> 01:58:41.070
brandy perkins struggles every day

01:58:41.070 --> 01:58:42.350
to motivate her teachers

01:58:42.350 --> 01:58:44.910
the frustrated 16-year-old talked to

01:58:44.910 --> 01:58:46.290
onion reporters this morning

01:58:46.290 --> 01:58:48.530
to discuss the challenges she faces

01:58:48.530 --> 01:58:50.690
in reaching out to her underperforming

01:58:50.690 --> 01:58:51.210
educators

01:58:51.210 --> 01:58:53.350
nothing with the teachers gets harder

01:58:53.350 --> 01:58:54.810
and harder every year

01:58:55.320 --> 01:58:57.670
we all come in every morning eager to

01:58:57.670 --> 01:59:00.110
learn but most of the teachers seem

01:59:00.110 --> 01:59:01.890
completely uninterested in education

01:59:01.890 --> 01:59:04.290
one of my teachers miss manly has been

01:59:04.290 --> 01:59:06.490
particularly hard to work with

01:59:07.110 --> 01:59:09.130
she was quiet at first but she showed

01:59:09.130 --> 01:59:09.690
some potential

01:59:10.270 --> 01:59:11.670
I thought maybe she just needed a

01:59:11.670 --> 01:59:13.110
little time to come out of her shell

01:59:13.110 --> 01:59:15.730
but as the weeks went by she just

01:59:15.730 --> 01:59:17.590
sat there listlessly at her desk

01:59:17.590 --> 01:59:18.990
never talking or participating

01:59:20.270 --> 01:59:21.990
it just makes you feel so helpless

01:59:22.570 --> 01:59:24.570
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me bonnie

02:00:31.100 --> 02:00:33.080
mr penguin and angelo

02:00:33.080 --> 02:00:35.280
and um so in the last segment we were

02:00:35.280 --> 02:00:37.380
talking to sarah who is a communist

02:00:37.380 --> 02:00:40.840
an open communist about the war in

02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:42.360
venezuela or the on go or the

02:00:42.360 --> 02:00:43.520
possible war whatever you want to

02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:45.220
call it um that was a whole other

02:00:45.220 --> 02:00:45.800
discussion but

02:00:46.480 --> 02:00:49.940
um and mr penguin was

02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:52.540
trying to go back and forth with sarah

02:00:52.540 --> 02:00:55.880
on the idea that sarah says it's not

02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.380
okay that we go to war against

02:00:58.380 --> 02:01:00.640
venezuela because of the whole

02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:02.300
situation where exxon mobile and other

02:01:02.300 --> 02:01:04.580
country companies got stolen from by

02:01:05.200 --> 02:01:07.560
chavez i think it was chavez right

02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:10.880
either way um sarah says that's not

02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.160
okay because the government

02:01:13.160 --> 02:01:16.320
of the the of venezuela should be able

02:01:16.320 --> 02:01:18.160
to socialize anything at any time to

02:01:18.160 --> 02:01:18.840
make schools

02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:23.160
and chris wanted to explain his side of

02:01:23.160 --> 02:01:24.460
why it's actually not okay

02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:26.260
yeah i have to go to war over that

02:01:26.260 --> 02:01:29.580
it's um look it's it's not yeah it's

02:01:29.580 --> 02:01:33.520
basically not okay so i am not saying

02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:36.120
that it wouldn't be right for the

02:01:36.120 --> 02:01:38.060
people of venezuela to you know

02:01:38.060 --> 02:01:40.200
rise up against their awful government

02:01:40.200 --> 02:01:41.760
right their awful communist government

02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:43.080
right that's that's fine

02:01:43.080 --> 02:01:46.320
it's not our it's not for us to do though

02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:48.100
to go and take out their leadership i

02:01:48.100 --> 02:01:49.460
agree and the justification is

02:01:49.460 --> 02:01:51.640
effectively that some investors in the

02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:53.180
united states so basically us oil

02:01:53.180 --> 02:01:53.580
companies

02:01:54.140 --> 02:01:57.680
uh in the 60s i'm guessing um i think

02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:00.020
it was the 70s 70s we looked it up

02:02:00.020 --> 02:02:01.460
last week now doesn't really matter

02:02:01.460 --> 02:02:03.140
point was quite a while ago at this

02:02:03.140 --> 02:02:05.220
point invested in oh that means it

02:02:05.220 --> 02:02:06.220
wouldn't be shabbat sorry i'm gonna

02:02:06.220 --> 02:02:07.660
google who it was so i don't get that

02:02:07.660 --> 02:02:09.620
wrong sure go for it um so they

02:02:09.620 --> 02:02:13.580
invested in venezuela now the thing

02:02:13.580 --> 02:02:15.840
with investing is whenever you make an

02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:17.280
investment there's some amount of risk

02:02:17.280 --> 02:02:19.680
that you're taking on and if you're

02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:22.160
investing in an unstable country or in a

02:02:22.160 --> 02:02:24.180
country that doesn't have a good track

02:02:24.180 --> 02:02:26.040
record when it comes to you know western

02:02:26.040 --> 02:02:29.240
style capitalism you are particularly

02:02:29.240 --> 02:02:31.020
putting yourself at risk of the

02:02:31.020 --> 02:02:32.220
government coming in and saying

02:02:32.220 --> 02:02:34.600
we're gonna take it and i just want

02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:36.200
to clarify that mr ping was said to

02:02:36.200 --> 02:02:38.180
me he's not saying that that makes it

02:02:38.180 --> 02:02:40.180
right that the government would take

02:02:40.180 --> 02:02:42.760
from exxon mobile no he's saying it

02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:45.000
makes it well those people did a dumb

02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:48.400
investment in is protecting your dumb

02:02:48.400 --> 02:02:50.480
investment worth going to war over

02:02:50.480 --> 02:02:53.400
yeah yeah basically um it's it's that

02:02:53.400 --> 02:02:56.620
risk was on those investors um those

02:02:56.620 --> 02:02:58.260
investors didn't have to invest in

02:02:58.260 --> 02:02:59.820
that country um they could have

02:02:59.820 --> 02:03:02.900
invested in a different country um uh

02:03:02.900 --> 02:03:04.600
you know it's but the point is it

02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:07.180
it's on them um we it's on the

02:03:07.180 --> 02:03:08.740
we're always bailing out companies

02:03:09.340 --> 02:03:10.760
including like going to war for them

02:03:10.760 --> 02:03:12.460
well that's because we they the

02:03:12.460 --> 02:03:14.280
companies have us was present sorry

02:03:14.280 --> 02:03:18.180
millions into the politicians to take

02:03:18.180 --> 02:03:21.160
those the assets of the u.s government

02:03:21.160 --> 02:03:26.480
and use it for the benefit of the

02:03:26.480 --> 02:03:28.080
companies that's why they invest so

02:03:28.080 --> 02:03:29.980
heavily you know hundreds of millions

02:03:29.980 --> 02:03:32.160
of dollars in lobbying so they can

02:03:32.160 --> 02:03:34.320
get their sway sure so let me keep

02:03:34.320 --> 02:03:36.560
going um so what i'm trying to say is

02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:38.300
that the united states does the same

02:03:38.300 --> 02:03:40.660
kind of thing all the time okay um your

02:03:40.660 --> 02:03:42.700
income for example they they tax it they

02:03:42.700 --> 02:03:44.980
take you know 90 percent of it you know

02:03:44.980 --> 02:03:46.420
more or less through various different

02:03:46.420 --> 02:03:47.840
types of taxes now

02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:50.940
venezuela the communists right

02:03:50.940 --> 02:03:52.660
we got into power and they said well

02:03:52.660 --> 02:03:53.640
we're just going to take everything

02:03:53.640 --> 02:03:55.180
what is everything that means it's a

02:03:55.180 --> 02:03:56.540
hundred percent tax basically right

02:03:56.540 --> 02:03:59.140
and so it's in some sense it's it's

02:03:59.140 --> 02:04:01.120
not that different than you know the

02:04:01.120 --> 02:04:03.620
united states you know doing the same

02:04:03.620 --> 02:04:07.360
kinds of things um i'm not saying that

02:04:07.360 --> 02:04:09.580
i'm not trying to justify what the

02:04:09.580 --> 02:04:11.380
communists did in venezuela

02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:14.140
just as i'm not trying to justify you know

02:04:14.140 --> 02:04:17.340
what you know trump and obama and you

02:04:17.340 --> 02:04:20.500
know other politicians in the u.s do all

02:04:20.500 --> 02:04:22.160
the time okay so i actually it's theft

02:04:22.160 --> 02:04:25.000
whether it's you know uh shava's doing

02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:27.340
it or it's you know trump doing it

02:04:27.340 --> 02:04:29.240
or some other politician um there is

02:04:29.240 --> 02:04:30.400
there's something we're getting

02:04:30.400 --> 02:04:31.520
wrong with timeline here because

02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:35.040
hugo shava's was president when xon

02:04:35.040 --> 02:04:36.700
mobile got their stuff taken from them

02:04:36.700 --> 02:04:37.940
according to the internet and it happened

02:04:37.940 --> 02:04:41.160
in around 2007 the nationalization and

02:04:41.160 --> 02:04:43.440
making xon mobile leave the country and

02:04:43.440 --> 02:04:45.180
hugo shava's was president but i remember

02:04:45.180 --> 02:04:46.680
there was something we said about the

02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:48.940
1970s last week it predates that i just

02:04:48.940 --> 02:04:50.520
don't know so this is just another

02:04:50.520 --> 02:04:52.220
instance of happening that's probably

02:04:52.220 --> 02:04:53.900
what it is it's yeah so here's the

02:04:53.900 --> 02:04:56.540
thing um it could be that they took

02:04:56.540 --> 02:04:58.920
some percentage or violated some contracts

02:04:59.420 --> 02:05:01.800
prior to that and and they just

02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:04.320
basically finalized taking everything

02:05:04.320 --> 02:05:08.600
you know under how uh shava's right um i

02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:11.400
don't i don't know you have to try and

02:05:11.400 --> 02:05:13.000
find the details when i'm pretty sure

02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:14.900
that it goes back further it says um

02:05:14.900 --> 02:05:18.300
no u.s president no oh my god i always

02:05:18.300 --> 02:05:19.660
think i'm saying u.s president every time

02:05:19.660 --> 02:05:21.000
i say what president it could also be

02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:23.580
that maybe the communism taking over

02:05:23.580 --> 02:05:25.440
goes back further and the oil stuff

02:05:25.440 --> 02:05:27.000
only happened later but it says that

02:05:27.000 --> 02:05:29.000
venezuelan president carlos andres

02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:31.480
pares oversaw the nationalization of the

02:05:31.480 --> 02:05:34.220
country's oil in 1976 bringing foreign

02:05:34.220 --> 02:05:35.860
owned assets including those of u.s

02:05:35.860 --> 02:05:37.820
companies like xon gulf and mobile

02:05:37.820 --> 02:05:40.940
mobile under state control a move often

02:05:40.940 --> 02:05:43.040
described as seizing or expropriating

02:05:43.040 --> 02:05:45.600
assets so the 2007 one was something

02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:47.840
else i don't understand unless i don't

02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:49.320
know google got it wrong which is

02:05:49.320 --> 02:05:50.920
totally possible i don't know i'm not

02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:54.320
sure um i but you know it's it is

02:05:54.320 --> 02:05:57.380
it's not impossible that there was they

02:05:57.380 --> 02:05:59.640
maybe didn't seize or nationalize

02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:02.020
everything no this is from the 2000s i

02:06:02.020 --> 02:06:04.280
have it right here conico philips

02:06:04.280 --> 02:06:07.400
arbitration from 2019 an international

02:06:07.400 --> 02:06:09.740
arbitration tribunal ordered venezuela

02:06:10.400 --> 02:06:12.440
venezuela pay conico philips

02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:16.980
8.7 billion dollars for unlawfully

02:06:16.980 --> 02:06:19.140
expropriating its investments in the

02:06:19.140 --> 02:06:20.380
2000s i know what happened i know it

02:06:20.380 --> 02:06:21.780
happened yeah so it's it's what they

02:06:21.780 --> 02:06:23.280
did was they they nationalized in 1970

02:06:23.280 --> 02:06:25.640
something six so they seized it in

02:06:25.640 --> 02:06:28.340
1976 but the ruling didn't occur until

02:06:28.340 --> 02:06:30.320
2007 maybe that's what it is

02:06:30.320 --> 02:06:32.020
yeah in regards to that because it was

02:06:32.020 --> 02:06:33.140
an international tribunal because i

02:06:33.140 --> 02:06:35.300
was like xon mobile went back and did

02:06:35.300 --> 02:06:36.680
more business with them and got and

02:06:36.680 --> 02:06:38.460
got it taken in 2007 that'd be crazy

02:06:38.460 --> 02:06:42.220
from 2019 is this yeah but that's

02:06:42.220 --> 02:06:43.760
just when the arbitration when the

02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:46.120
oh i guess when i finalize that sounds

02:06:46.120 --> 02:06:48.040
like a really crazy long time there

02:06:48.040 --> 02:06:49.400
might be something we're missing here

02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:53.060
but um i just wanted listeners to

02:06:53.060 --> 02:06:55.600
penguin told me on the break that he's

02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:56.900
not saying that it's right what the

02:06:56.900 --> 02:06:58.880
government did i was trying to ask him

02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:00.560
what was right but he wasn't like

02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:01.940
thinking that's what i was asking he was

02:07:01.940 --> 02:07:04.680
trying to think well you were i was

02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:06.140
asking you was that what the government

02:07:06.140 --> 02:07:07.780
was doing was that right and you were

02:07:07.780 --> 02:07:09.280
saying wasn't right but it was expected

02:07:09.280 --> 02:07:10.620
and i was like well then that doesn't

02:07:10.620 --> 02:07:12.200
change anything it does change one

02:07:12.200 --> 02:07:14.780
thing we shouldn't be going to war

02:07:14.780 --> 02:07:16.980
over something that a company made a

02:07:16.980 --> 02:07:18.600
risky move and they lost money

02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:20.420
yeah another company can take control

02:07:20.420 --> 02:07:21.780
there's plenty of oil in the country

02:07:21.780 --> 02:07:23.700
country our country basically bailing out

02:07:23.700 --> 02:07:25.040
you what we're doing by going to war

02:07:25.040 --> 02:07:26.580
with venezuela we're taking out their

02:07:26.580 --> 02:07:29.620
leader is uh you know we're basically

02:07:29.620 --> 02:07:32.640
uh what was the word i was using

02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:34.340
bailing out yeah we're basically

02:07:34.340 --> 02:07:36.100
bailing out banks all over again we're

02:07:36.100 --> 02:07:38.300
bailing out the investors um we're

02:07:38.300 --> 02:07:39.860
bailing out the housing industry right

02:07:39.860 --> 02:07:41.320
that's it's just that's what we're

02:07:41.320 --> 02:07:42.140
doing at this time it's an oil

02:07:42.140 --> 02:07:44.180
company or multiple yeah right exactly

02:07:44.180 --> 02:07:45.840
now the means of which we're

02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:47.300
bailing them out maybe you know

02:07:47.300 --> 02:07:48.620
spending money on the military to

02:07:48.620 --> 02:07:50.180
invade venezuela yeah yeah

02:07:50.180 --> 02:07:52.340
nonetheless that's that's what it comes

02:07:52.340 --> 02:07:53.340
down to at the end of the day

02:07:53.340 --> 02:07:56.600
um if if in fact what you know trump is

02:07:56.600 --> 02:07:58.100
you know saying if we're to believe

02:07:58.100 --> 02:07:59.800
what trump is saying and that is the

02:07:59.800 --> 02:08:01.500
reason that we took out chavez is

02:08:01.940 --> 02:08:03.340
because of the oil and we're going to

02:08:03.340 --> 02:08:05.680
take over venezuela um if that's his

02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:10.140
motives anyway then yeah yep i mean

02:08:10.140 --> 02:08:11.880
obviously there was the lies about the

02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:14.700
drugs um oh yeah that was a lie i

02:08:14.700 --> 02:08:16.060
think for sure honestly i really

02:08:16.060 --> 02:08:17.800
believe that was lie something i

02:08:17.800 --> 02:08:19.780
tweeted the other name was i mean

02:08:19.780 --> 02:08:21.120
nobody believed it i don't think in the

02:08:21.120 --> 02:08:22.560
first place prior to well lots of

02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:24.180
americans like you know like especially

02:08:24.180 --> 02:08:27.040
like maddo oh yeah yeah madero

02:08:27.040 --> 02:08:29.260
lots of maga americans do believe like

02:08:29.260 --> 02:08:32.060
the chinese or in venezuela could be

02:08:32.060 --> 02:08:34.760
true and they're forcing uh you know

02:08:34.760 --> 02:08:36.760
fentanyl on our streets and stuff like

02:08:36.760 --> 02:08:38.480
that and that and then they also believe

02:08:38.480 --> 02:08:40.520
the united states cares and the united

02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:42.700
states wants to go kill people and

02:08:42.700 --> 02:08:43.800
they also believe that that's a

02:08:43.800 --> 02:08:44.840
better way to the chinese were

02:08:44.840 --> 02:08:46.900
literally in venezuela when we

02:08:46.900 --> 02:08:48.940
caught maduro what do you mean by

02:08:48.940 --> 02:08:50.300
there was a bunch of chinese

02:08:50.300 --> 02:08:52.000
officials chinese there i believe it

02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:53.400
there's no no there was a bunch of

02:08:53.400 --> 02:08:54.820
chinese officials there to meet with

02:08:54.820 --> 02:08:56.820
maduro that day but the they flew in the

02:08:56.820 --> 02:08:58.320
night before oh they were like staying

02:08:58.320 --> 02:09:00.340
there yeah yeah they were like in they

02:09:00.340 --> 02:09:02.260
were try yeah chinese diplomats were

02:09:02.260 --> 02:09:04.540
in venezuela ready to meet with maduro

02:09:04.540 --> 02:09:06.140
but do you believe that president trump

02:09:06.620 --> 02:09:08.020
this is all the things you have to

02:09:08.020 --> 02:09:09.120
play do you believe that president

02:09:09.120 --> 02:09:09.500
trump

02:09:09.500 --> 02:09:11.960
is going to war against venezuela

02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:15.320
even in part to to get fentanyl off

02:09:15.320 --> 02:09:16.660
our streets no because fentanyl goes

02:09:16.660 --> 02:09:18.460
to mexico it gets manufactured there

02:09:18.460 --> 02:09:19.820
and then shipped on to the united states

02:09:19.820 --> 02:09:21.940
it doesn't go to venezuela okay well

02:09:21.940 --> 02:09:24.600
any drugs maybe not specific there's

02:09:24.600 --> 02:09:26.000
some amount of drugs that come through

02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:27.600
venezuela but it's it's insignificant

02:09:27.600 --> 02:09:29.400
relative to the drugs to come to come

02:09:29.400 --> 02:09:31.180
through mexico or columbia yeah yeah

02:09:31.180 --> 02:09:32.720
well great but they usually travels

02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:33.680
through that's another thing that

02:09:33.680 --> 02:09:35.460
confused people yeah that's another

02:09:35.460 --> 02:09:36.540
thing that confused people is like

02:09:36.540 --> 02:09:38.480
whenever you hear of the conversation

02:09:38.480 --> 02:09:40.320
around oh drugs coming from south

02:09:40.320 --> 02:09:41.700
america and central america

02:09:41.700 --> 02:09:43.920
you always hear about uh columbia

02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.500
and mexico and trump even on the

02:09:46.500 --> 02:09:48.000
campaign trail was talking about

02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.560
china's got manufacturing plants for

02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:52.960
fentanyl in mexico not and then also in

02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:54.060
all of a sudden it's venezuela it seems

02:09:54.060 --> 02:09:55.820
like it's like at the very least the

02:09:55.820 --> 02:09:58.420
least we can say is that venezuela

02:09:58.420 --> 02:10:01.280
isn't the top dog for getting drugs into

02:10:01.280 --> 02:10:03.500
the country it's a transit point is

02:10:03.500 --> 02:10:05.380
what it is wouldn't it be harder

02:10:05.380 --> 02:10:07.500
mexico is both a transit point and

02:10:07.500 --> 02:10:08.020
manufacturing

02:10:08.640 --> 02:10:11.200
um so and they're importing the fentanyl

02:10:11.200 --> 02:10:13.360
from china so china is the one who's

02:10:13.360 --> 02:10:14.520
manufacturing the fentanyl from i

02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:16.020
understand or precursor chemicals

02:10:16.020 --> 02:10:17.300
i'm sorry whatever you're actually

02:10:17.300 --> 02:10:18.520
correct it's the precursor chemicals

02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:20.540
that then get shipped into mexico

02:10:20.540 --> 02:10:23.260
mexico then manufactures the drugs and

02:10:23.260 --> 02:10:24.960
then those drugs get sent on word to

02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:27.180
the united states and i think some to

02:10:27.180 --> 02:10:28.380
some small degree some of this is

02:10:28.380 --> 02:10:31.280
heading towards um uh europe as well

02:10:31.280 --> 02:10:33.360
but it's it's from south america and

02:10:33.360 --> 02:10:35.980
central america i think venezuela

02:10:35.980 --> 02:10:39.040
and probably mexico as well um but

02:10:39.040 --> 02:10:41.100
yeah oh i just think wouldn't it be

02:10:41.100 --> 02:10:43.720
harder to smuggle drugs into a

02:10:43.720 --> 02:10:46.780
country that has sanctioned like from

02:10:46.780 --> 02:10:48.700
a country that has a ton of sanctions on

02:10:48.700 --> 02:10:48.880
it

02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:51.180
like wouldn't it be harder to get stuff

02:10:51.180 --> 02:10:53.380
from venezuela into america because we

02:10:53.380 --> 02:10:55.200
don't do business with them so like if

02:10:55.200 --> 02:10:56.460
you're trying to move a massive amount

02:10:56.460 --> 02:10:58.720
of drugs i so no i don't think this

02:10:58.720 --> 02:10:59.640
necessarily the case because they're

02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:01.180
not they're not exactly doing it legally

02:11:01.180 --> 02:11:02.940
right they're not sending it through

02:11:02.940 --> 02:11:06.020
customs uh yeah yeah so it's it's all

02:11:06.020 --> 02:11:07.760
yeah i guess they are yeah yeah so

02:11:07.760 --> 02:11:08.700
it doesn't matter whether it's a

02:11:09.120 --> 02:11:10.820
yeah sanctions exist or not i mean if

02:11:10.820 --> 02:11:12.200
you're smuggling it through like a

02:11:12.200 --> 02:11:13.580
port of entry like in a cargo

02:11:13.580 --> 02:11:15.500
container of like fake stuff

02:11:16.060 --> 02:11:17.860
like the but how are you getting you just

02:11:17.860 --> 02:11:20.140
put a fake flag on it i guess so we have

02:11:20.140 --> 02:11:21.300
to back up and say explain what

02:11:21.300 --> 02:11:22.820
sanctions are and what they you know what

02:11:22.820 --> 02:11:24.820
the sanctions do exactly so just because

02:11:24.820 --> 02:11:26.560
a country is sanctioned doesn't mean that

02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:28.280
there's no trade that goes on it just

02:11:28.280 --> 02:11:30.420
means that certain items might not

02:11:30.420 --> 02:11:32.160
might be prohibited from import for a

02:11:32.160 --> 02:11:34.860
certain company or um you know like

02:11:34.860 --> 02:11:36.400
for in the case of venezuela

02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.240
venezuela is sanctioned but it's

02:11:39.240 --> 02:11:41.040
not all of their oil it's only

02:11:41.040 --> 02:11:44.100
certain uh oil from certain companies so

02:11:44.100 --> 02:11:46.240
there's a legal as far as u.s. is

02:11:46.240 --> 02:11:48.460
concerned they they they consider some

02:11:48.460 --> 02:11:50.400
of that oil to be legal trade and some

02:11:50.400 --> 02:11:52.240
of it to be sanctioned sanctions trade

02:11:52.240 --> 02:11:55.400
i got it um so yeah it's it's confusing

02:11:55.400 --> 02:11:58.560
but um yeah and that goes back to um

02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:01.380
you know even even countries like um

02:12:01.380 --> 02:12:03.920
you know that are sanctioned um you

02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:06.560
know usually it's they it's only some

02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:08.420
stuff that's sanctioned so as far as

02:12:08.420 --> 02:12:09.640
like smuggling stuff into the united

02:12:09.640 --> 02:12:12.200
states it could be that um there's

02:12:12.200 --> 02:12:14.200
that they're using some sort of cargo

02:12:14.200 --> 02:12:15.900
ships between venezuela and the united

02:12:15.900 --> 02:12:17.620
states to smuggle stuff still because

02:12:17.620 --> 02:12:19.500
again not everything is sanctioned i

02:12:19.500 --> 02:12:21.380
don't know what kind of trade goes on

02:12:21.380 --> 02:12:23.160
between venezuela and united states i

02:12:23.160 --> 02:12:24.660
kind of suspect there's not a whole

02:12:24.660 --> 02:12:27.820
lot going on but i don't know um i know

02:12:27.820 --> 02:12:30.500
like a decade ago there was oil coming

02:12:30.500 --> 02:12:31.720
from i believe venezuela to the

02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:34.400
united states um but again this was

02:12:34.400 --> 02:12:37.020
like a decade ago now so that may not

02:12:37.020 --> 02:12:39.040
that's probably not happening more

02:12:39.040 --> 02:12:41.900
recently i'm i'm thinking well we

02:12:41.900 --> 02:12:43.600
have another interesting story if you

02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:44.120
guys want to

02:12:45.620 --> 02:12:48.760
maybe talk about another front of the um

02:12:48.760 --> 02:12:51.320
venezuela stuff because it is connected

02:12:51.320 --> 02:12:54.420
still it says is really military ordered

02:12:54.420 --> 02:12:57.640
to prepare for war on all fronts

02:12:57.640 --> 02:13:00.020
amid iranian protests i don't know if

02:13:00.020 --> 02:13:02.840
it's related i think there are people

02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:04.480
online saying that there is evidence

02:13:04.480 --> 02:13:06.440
that when netanyahu was here like two

02:13:06.440 --> 02:13:10.880
days ago he or three he told trump to

02:13:10.880 --> 02:13:13.260
do the maduro thing have you guys heard

02:13:13.260 --> 02:13:13.540
of this

02:13:13.540 --> 02:13:16.700
yeah he probably did i that's the thing i

02:13:16.700 --> 02:13:17.960
didn't look into what's the evidence i

02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:19.260
was like he probably did but i'm not

02:13:19.260 --> 02:13:21.760
saying i believe it what's the russian

02:13:21.760 --> 02:13:24.860
l for because i ran in venezuela wanted

02:13:24.860 --> 02:13:27.700
to do business um because they the

02:13:27.700 --> 02:13:30.160
venezuela that was had no central bank

02:13:30.160 --> 02:13:32.400
at all right yeah well they had like a

02:13:32.400 --> 02:13:34.220
central bank but it wasn't tied to like

02:13:34.220 --> 02:13:37.520
it's not tied to the city of london

02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:40.200
like that those that central bank you

02:13:40.200 --> 02:13:42.780
what is it called the world bank so what

02:13:42.780 --> 02:13:45.520
i'm thinking oh um yeah there is the

02:13:45.520 --> 02:13:47.600
world bank i think there's two different

02:13:47.600 --> 02:13:50.060
organizations actually um similar to the

02:13:50.060 --> 02:13:52.000
world bank though um they load money to

02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:53.880
countries and things of that nature um

02:13:54.680 --> 02:13:58.060
uh i so so the country itself has a

02:13:58.060 --> 02:13:59.680
central bank of some kind it must because

02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:02.120
remember they set the uh what is the

02:14:02.120 --> 02:14:04.160
rates exchange i am what i'm thinking of

02:14:04.160 --> 02:14:06.180
i am f and and the world bank group

02:14:06.180 --> 02:14:07.600
yeah that sounds like that sounds about

02:14:07.600 --> 02:14:11.020
so one of one of those um it was they

02:14:11.020 --> 02:14:12.340
didn't do anything with venezuela and

02:14:12.340 --> 02:14:14.060
they i mean they want to with every

02:14:14.060 --> 02:14:16.320
country right the country can have its own

02:14:16.320 --> 02:14:18.440
central bank of venezuela central banks

02:14:18.440 --> 02:14:20.540
are separate from those anyway yeah so

02:14:20.540 --> 02:14:22.240
my bad it wasn't that they didn't have a

02:14:22.240 --> 02:14:23.940
central bank it's that they only had

02:14:23.940 --> 02:14:25.140
their central bank and they didn't do

02:14:25.140 --> 02:14:27.580
business with the i am f or it was

02:14:27.580 --> 02:14:29.040
either i am f for the world bank is

02:14:29.040 --> 02:14:30.720
that what you understand yeah well i mean

02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:32.200
those those it was on those listed

02:14:32.200 --> 02:14:34.400
countries like as of like 2000 there

02:14:34.400 --> 02:14:36.180
was a list of countries that was

02:14:36.180 --> 02:14:38.300
excluded outside of that like hegemony

02:14:38.300 --> 02:14:40.780
and in the past 30 years we've taken out

02:14:40.780 --> 02:14:42.860
all of those countries i'm not sure i'm

02:14:42.860 --> 02:14:45.000
not sure specifically um in regards to

02:14:45.000 --> 02:14:47.680
this but i i do know that they usually

02:14:47.680 --> 02:14:49.660
are the country that comes in and like

02:14:49.660 --> 02:14:50.400
sort of

02:14:50.400 --> 02:14:52.660
bails other country or sorry they're

02:14:52.660 --> 02:14:54.100
not a country there they're an

02:14:54.100 --> 02:14:55.800
organization that goes in and bails

02:14:55.800 --> 02:14:58.580
countries out um they give loans uh

02:14:58.580 --> 02:15:00.380
in ash you know nations loans for

02:15:00.380 --> 02:15:02.960
example like um i think uh then it

02:15:02.960 --> 02:15:05.820
not as well um uh what's the what's

02:15:05.820 --> 02:15:07.960
one with the uh prisons that the u.s.

02:15:07.980 --> 02:15:10.160
is sending to oh oh no i'll solve it or

02:15:10.160 --> 02:15:11.840
yeah i'll solve it or it's a so i'll

02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:13.640
solve it or for example i believe um

02:15:13.640 --> 02:15:15.240
was denied do you remember when they

02:15:15.240 --> 02:15:16.620
did the bitcoin thing yeah they had

02:15:16.620 --> 02:15:17.560
they still are trying to do bitcoin

02:15:17.560 --> 02:15:19.880
right so so they were um might be

02:15:19.880 --> 02:15:21.500
successful i don't know the they're

02:15:21.500 --> 02:15:24.540
very poor country and they basically

02:15:24.540 --> 02:15:27.060
were investing their taxes into

02:15:28.060 --> 02:15:30.260
bitcoin and the i don't know if it

02:15:30.260 --> 02:15:32.180
was the world bank or the i am f but

02:15:32.180 --> 02:15:33.940
either way one of those two uh

02:15:33.940 --> 02:15:35.380
basically said hey you know we're

02:15:35.380 --> 02:15:36.720
not going to loan you money if you do

02:15:36.720 --> 02:15:39.740
this um so and this is you know they

02:15:39.740 --> 02:15:41.020
they loan money to basically poor

02:15:41.020 --> 02:15:43.680
countries uh well um i just google does

02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:45.640
venezuela do business with the imf and

02:15:45.640 --> 02:15:48.000
it says no venezuela does not currently

02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:49.720
do regular business with the imf it

02:15:49.720 --> 02:15:51.340
has been largely cut off from imf

02:15:51.340 --> 02:15:53.040
financing and formal engagement for

02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:56.180
nearly two decades so um the idea

02:15:56.860 --> 02:15:58.320
like walk with me for a second i'm

02:15:58.320 --> 02:16:00.680
not saying i know this the idea is

02:16:00.680 --> 02:16:04.360
that israel is best friends with the

02:16:04.360 --> 02:16:06.620
imf and tons of people who run it we

02:16:06.620 --> 02:16:08.340
don't get to know their names but the

02:16:08.340 --> 02:16:11.240
conspiracy theory is that they're like a

02:16:11.240 --> 02:16:13.080
lot of them are jewish and like zionist

02:16:13.080 --> 02:16:15.500
jews specifically like they by that i

02:16:15.500 --> 02:16:18.160
mean not like oh that's messed up you're

02:16:18.160 --> 02:16:19.340
just talking about somebody's religion no

02:16:19.340 --> 02:16:22.280
i mean like they believe in creating

02:16:23.180 --> 02:16:25.560
the greater israel project yeah what

02:16:25.560 --> 02:16:27.720
has been written about since the 1880s

02:16:27.720 --> 02:16:29.240
which is zionism which is separate

02:16:29.240 --> 02:16:31.060
than the religion even it's people that

02:16:31.060 --> 02:16:32.040
go even further than that and they

02:16:32.040 --> 02:16:33.700
want like the country of israel become

02:16:33.700 --> 02:16:35.360
very powerful they want to they want to

02:16:35.360 --> 02:16:36.980
have it from like the euphrates to the

02:16:36.980 --> 02:16:39.200
to the they want to make it bigger but

02:16:39.200 --> 02:16:40.860
they also want to like expansionist

02:16:40.860 --> 02:16:45.160
have world power and and the idea is

02:16:45.160 --> 02:16:48.880
that america has went in invaded and

02:16:48.880 --> 02:16:52.080
tried to change the rulership of

02:16:52.080 --> 02:16:53.480
multiple different countries that didn't

02:16:53.480 --> 02:16:55.400
do business with the imf before and

02:16:55.400 --> 02:16:56.980
then after they did and it's supposed

02:16:56.980 --> 02:16:58.700
to be like oh look how much better it

02:16:58.700 --> 02:17:00.940
is here now but if you look at libya

02:17:00.940 --> 02:17:02.680
there's like open-air slave markets

02:17:02.680 --> 02:17:05.320
and yeah you can still buy people in

02:17:05.320 --> 02:17:07.960
libya two day right now post us getting

02:17:07.960 --> 02:17:09.920
rid of qaddafi they didn't have slave

02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:11.840
markets with qaddafi just as just as a

02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:13.120
warning people don't bring your slave

02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:14.640
back to the united states will arrest

02:17:14.640 --> 02:17:20.380
you mr slave well um but yeah that's

02:17:20.380 --> 02:17:21.680
what i didn't you know i just realized

02:17:21.680 --> 02:17:22.880
you might have thought i meant like

02:17:22.880 --> 02:17:25.920
mr penguin mr slave i got the okay

02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:29.740
good um but so people are saying

02:17:29.740 --> 02:17:32.020
since the reason i'm saying this is

02:17:32.020 --> 02:17:35.100
really military ordered just yesterday

02:17:35.100 --> 02:17:37.180
Israeli military ordered to prepare for

02:17:37.180 --> 02:17:38.640
war on all fronts amid Iranian

02:17:38.640 --> 02:17:39.800
protests is like that's what they've

02:17:39.800 --> 02:17:40.920
wanted for a long time now all of a

02:17:40.920 --> 02:17:41.840
sudden they're getting what they really

02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:44.060
want they might be wanting

02:17:44.920 --> 02:17:46.900
americans to go to war with venezuela

02:17:46.900 --> 02:17:49.040
that's kind of more of a conspiracy

02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:50.780
or whatever okay i won't even say

02:17:50.780 --> 02:17:52.820
conspiracy that's more of a guess

02:17:52.820 --> 02:17:55.440
from some people but i want to get

02:17:55.440 --> 02:17:57.220
into all the other wars are about

02:17:57.220 --> 02:17:58.620
start war war three maybe

02:17:59.580 --> 02:18:01.260
Israeli military ordered to prepare

02:18:01.260 --> 02:18:03.080
for war on all fronts made Iranian

02:18:03.080 --> 02:18:04.660
protests and it's from our team

02:18:04.660 --> 02:18:06.560
dot com so russia today it's not

02:18:07.720 --> 02:18:10.420
american um propaganda though it may be

02:18:10.420 --> 02:18:13.960
russian propaganda a new long-term plan

02:18:13.960 --> 02:18:15.360
reportedly envisions a dramatic

02:18:15.360 --> 02:18:17.560
expansion of all i df military

02:18:17.560 --> 02:18:19.860
activity and i df is for listeners

02:18:20.620 --> 02:18:24.060
the israeli defense fund force force

02:18:24.060 --> 02:18:26.560
oh yeah um including yeah i just kept

02:18:26.560 --> 02:18:27.840
reading imf so it's fun

02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:30.180
including weapons and outer space

02:18:30.820 --> 02:18:33.020
the israeli defense forces have been

02:18:33.020 --> 02:18:34.700
ordered to prepare for a possible

02:18:34.700 --> 02:18:37.400
simultaneous war against iran lebanon

02:18:37.400 --> 02:18:39.040
and the west bank so wait did they

02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:40.740
just reference jewish space lasers

02:18:40.740 --> 02:18:42.220
no yeah that actually

02:18:44.980 --> 02:18:47.540
that's crazy so i don't know i don't

02:18:47.540 --> 02:18:49.420
know about this specifically but i do

02:18:49.420 --> 02:18:52.340
know that israel has um i think a

02:18:52.340 --> 02:18:55.560
pathway to its enemies uh including

02:18:55.560 --> 02:18:57.340
iran now that it did not have

02:18:57.340 --> 02:19:00.920
before um because they took out some

02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:03.580
countries um that was kind of went

02:19:03.580 --> 02:19:06.320
under um and uh in the process they

02:19:06.320 --> 02:19:07.600
kind of took it took advantage of that

02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:09.680
to take out the weaponry where what in

02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:12.180
in what area somewhere between israel

02:19:12.180 --> 02:19:14.740
and iran i think the corridor that

02:19:14.740 --> 02:19:15.740
well like because they were going in

02:19:15.740 --> 02:19:17.200
syria and doing stuff like that like

02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:18.760
trying to say that was to save syrian

02:19:18.760 --> 02:19:20.380
christians was it that might it might

02:19:20.380 --> 02:19:22.500
be that um it might be connected to

02:19:22.500 --> 02:19:24.240
that but yeah um they've also

02:19:24.240 --> 02:19:26.000
destabilized iraq and afghanistan

02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:28.240
like other powers right around iran but

02:19:28.240 --> 02:19:30.660
basically is the the point that i'm

02:19:30.660 --> 02:19:31.940
trying to make is that israel now has

02:19:31.940 --> 02:19:34.120
direct access to iran where it in

02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:35.460
order to basically fight a war where

02:19:35.460 --> 02:19:36.780
it didn't have easy access to iran

02:19:36.780 --> 02:19:38.600
before because it has to fly through

02:19:38.600 --> 02:19:40.520
another it has to fly through one or

02:19:40.520 --> 02:19:43.260
another country and um the pathway

02:19:43.260 --> 02:19:45.660
to basically have you know fighting a

02:19:45.660 --> 02:19:47.140
war with iran is now possible

02:19:47.140 --> 02:19:49.260
whereas before syria is right in that

02:19:49.260 --> 02:19:51.300
pathway syria iraq is right in the

02:19:51.300 --> 02:19:52.340
middle israel doesn't have the

02:19:52.340 --> 02:19:54.960
power to to fight back against

02:19:54.960 --> 02:19:57.040
israel because they basically have

02:19:57.040 --> 02:19:58.700
their government collapsed i think and

02:19:58.700 --> 02:20:00.260
they and israel took advantage of that

02:20:00.260 --> 02:20:01.820
to take out their military basically

02:20:01.820 --> 02:20:03.920
well the syrian military yeah i believe

02:20:03.920 --> 02:20:05.760
it's no the syria we just installed a

02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:07.840
president of syria the new president of

02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:10.740
syria we used to be a leader of isis

02:20:10.740 --> 02:20:13.440
but he's now with the hegemon so he's

02:20:13.440 --> 02:20:15.560
cool yeah i don't know the details

02:20:15.560 --> 02:20:17.540
like i don't know exactly when i want

02:20:17.540 --> 02:20:19.920
to say months yeah months ago well i

02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:21.740
mean but the the syrian civil war has

02:20:21.740 --> 02:20:23.760
been raging since like 2014 or

02:20:23.760 --> 02:20:26.040
something 16 they've been fighting a

02:20:26.040 --> 02:20:27.360
long time there's been a lot they've

02:20:27.360 --> 02:20:29.200
been fighting in syria a long time i

02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:31.040
don't know i i so you might be right

02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:33.040
about the us instilling a leader in

02:20:33.040 --> 02:20:35.640
syria but israel took he just visited

02:20:35.640 --> 02:20:37.620
the white house that might be israel

02:20:37.620 --> 02:20:39.040
what i'm trying to say is either way

02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:40.760
israel took advantage of the situation

02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:43.180
to take out the military basically so

02:20:43.180 --> 02:20:45.160
that they could fly planes into iran

02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:47.360
and and that and just because you have

02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:48.400
to remember just because the us

02:20:48.400 --> 02:20:50.920
instilled a some dictator in syria

02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:53.480
does not necessarily mean that um

02:20:53.480 --> 02:20:55.780
israel wants to be at the mercy of

02:20:55.780 --> 02:20:57.900
whatever puppet the us installed well

02:20:57.900 --> 02:20:59.400
that but it's not a us installed puppet

02:20:59.400 --> 02:21:01.760
it's it's it's an israeli us joint

02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:05.620
task force that's installed but it if you

02:21:05.620 --> 02:21:07.700
want to ensure that you whoever is

02:21:07.700 --> 02:21:10.660
you put into power does not stop you

02:21:10.660 --> 02:21:14.400
from invading uh say iran the easiest

02:21:14.400 --> 02:21:16.380
and best way to ensure that regardless

02:21:16.380 --> 02:21:18.440
of who ends up in power later is to

02:21:18.440 --> 02:21:20.280
take out the military and and that's

02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:22.380
as i understand what israel basically did

02:21:23.520 --> 02:21:26.200
yeah sure i mean yeah i'm it's not like

02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:28.360
they didn't just uh well they didn't

02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:29.980
fully take it out they just put it on

02:21:29.980 --> 02:21:31.900
their side there's still there's still

02:21:31.900 --> 02:21:33.540
like a syrian military sounds like they

02:21:33.540 --> 02:21:36.540
did both of those yeah yeah right so

02:21:36.540 --> 02:21:39.180
whoever gets into power in syria you

02:21:39.180 --> 02:21:42.700
know after the you know the israeli

02:21:42.700 --> 02:21:45.020
installed dictator uh you know gets

02:21:45.020 --> 02:21:46.880
removed they still won't be able to

02:21:46.880 --> 02:21:48.480
stop israel from you know and yeah

02:21:48.480 --> 02:21:50.280
because it's too they've destabilized

02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:51.740
it yeah well it's the same thing with

02:21:51.740 --> 02:21:53.580
libya what they got rid of qaddafi and

02:21:53.580 --> 02:21:55.780
whatever they tried to install in libya

02:21:55.780 --> 02:21:57.240
fell apart hillary clinton was a part of

02:21:57.240 --> 02:21:59.100
that right she was one of the orchestrators

02:21:59.100 --> 02:22:01.400
of destroying libya that was the whole

02:22:01.400 --> 02:22:03.460
Benghazi thing um what's really creepy

02:22:03.460 --> 02:22:04.800
about this article is they're saying

02:22:04.800 --> 02:22:07.400
basically that israel has been watching

02:22:07.400 --> 02:22:10.280
protests in iran where iranians are

02:22:10.280 --> 02:22:11.360
protesting against their own government

02:22:11.360 --> 02:22:13.240
and trying to use that they're gonna

02:22:13.240 --> 02:22:15.260
back certain protesters and start a

02:22:15.260 --> 02:22:16.920
war from inside of this process aren't

02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:18.560
even naturally starting i thought they're

02:22:18.560 --> 02:22:21.680
funded by the by us israeli well not us

02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:24.600
but israel israel or the u.s the i agencies

02:22:24.600 --> 02:22:26.800
funds israel and israel that'd be

02:22:26.800 --> 02:22:28.460
basically quote unquote us more free

02:22:28.460 --> 02:22:29.880
talk live coming up don't go anywhere

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hey you are going to love the movie

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heartwarming and carries a ton of

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inspiring freedom messages feeling down

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about the lack of liberty in your life

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you need to put on this film with

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some friends and have a good laugh

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in new hampshire living free

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singing dancing and getting arrested

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of course it's all on video and the

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bad guys the cops judges bailiffs and

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sheriffs they all play their part like

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it's out of a movie or something

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you would think we scripted the whole

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thing but it's real life

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i guarantee you'll notice things now

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and the best part is that you're going

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to walk away feeling a renewed sense of

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your destiny and you will be free in

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your lifetime victimless crime spree

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from feature story news in washington

02:23:33.060 --> 02:23:35.760
i'm tony waterman president donald

02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:38.540
trump says the u.s is locked and loaded

02:23:38.540 --> 02:23:41.500
and ready to go if peaceful protesters

02:23:41.500 --> 02:23:43.920
are killed in iran amid nationwide

02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:46.560
unrest he issued the warning in an

02:23:46.560 --> 02:23:48.500
early morning post to social media

02:23:48.500 --> 02:23:50.640
saying the u.s will come to the

02:23:50.640 --> 02:23:53.180
rescue of peaceful protesters mass

02:23:53.180 --> 02:23:55.420
demonstrations erupted a week ago in

02:23:55.420 --> 02:23:57.720
major cities like tehran but have since

02:23:57.720 --> 02:24:00.200
spread to smaller towns as citizens

02:24:00.200 --> 02:24:01.980
vent their frustration over the

02:24:01.980 --> 02:24:04.440
worsening economy at least six people

02:24:04.440 --> 02:24:06.820
have been killed and 17 wounded

02:24:06.820 --> 02:24:08.840
it's the biggest threat to iran's

02:24:08.840 --> 02:24:10.400
government since 2022

02:24:10.400 --> 02:24:13.200
when protests erupted over the death of

02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:15.220
a young woman who was arrested for

02:24:15.220 --> 02:24:17.460
allegedly not wearing her hijab

02:24:17.460 --> 02:24:20.180
correctly in response to trump's latest

02:24:20.180 --> 02:24:22.560
threat iran says it will not allow

02:24:22.560 --> 02:24:24.540
foreign interference in the country

02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:27.240
tensions between tehran and washington

02:24:27.240 --> 02:24:29.500
have intensified in recent weeks

02:24:29.500 --> 02:24:32.000
just on monday trump said he'd order

02:24:32.000 --> 02:24:34.440
more strikes on iran if it tries to

02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:36.660
rebuild its nuclear capabilities after

02:24:36.660 --> 02:24:39.320
the u.s destroyed some sites in june

02:24:40.120 --> 02:24:41.660
swiss authorities continue to

02:24:41.660 --> 02:24:44.180
identify the victims of a deadly new

02:24:44.180 --> 02:24:45.780
years eve nightclub fire

02:24:45.780 --> 02:24:48.460
they say sparklers on champagne bottles

02:24:48.460 --> 02:24:51.220
held too closely to the ceiling are to

02:24:51.220 --> 02:24:54.320
blame for the blaze at least 40 people

02:24:54.320 --> 02:24:56.320
were killed and more than a hundred

02:24:56.320 --> 02:24:58.740
others were injured the majority of

02:24:58.740 --> 02:25:00.520
whom are in intensive care

02:25:01.080 --> 02:25:03.040
france is among several european

02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:05.140
nations treating some of the victims

02:25:05.140 --> 02:25:07.840
fsn's ross cullen reports

02:25:08.520 --> 02:25:10.460
people who suffered burns in the fatal

02:25:10.460 --> 02:25:11.980
fire are being looked after in

02:25:11.980 --> 02:25:13.760
hospitals in paris and in leon

02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:16.180
where france's top plastic surgeons are

02:25:16.180 --> 02:25:18.100
on standby to assist with specialist

02:25:18.100 --> 02:25:20.380
reconstructive care for burns victims

02:25:20.380 --> 02:25:22.260
french citizens were among those

02:25:22.260 --> 02:25:23.580
injured and there are still french

02:25:23.580 --> 02:25:25.040
nationals missing with several

02:25:25.040 --> 02:25:27.000
italians also unaccounted for

02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.020
police are working to identify all

02:25:29.020 --> 02:25:31.020
the victims and investigate how the

02:25:31.020 --> 02:25:32.940
fire started it broke out in the

02:25:32.940 --> 02:25:34.800
constellation bar in the swiss ski

02:25:34.800 --> 02:25:36.740
resort of cons montana in the

02:25:36.740 --> 02:25:38.360
early hours of new year's day

02:25:38.360 --> 02:25:41.040
senior israeli prison officials have

02:25:41.040 --> 02:25:42.840
visited a crocodile farm

02:25:42.840 --> 02:25:45.280
after a top official proposed building

02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:47.260
a new high-security prison

02:25:47.260 --> 02:25:49.760
surrounded by the deadly reptile

02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:53.640
fsn's blake sifton reports from televieve

02:25:53.640 --> 02:25:55.860
a delegation led by the deputy

02:25:55.860 --> 02:25:57.520
commissioner of israel's prison

02:25:57.520 --> 02:26:00.340
service visited a crocodile farm on

02:26:00.340 --> 02:26:01.980
thursday to learn about crocodile

02:26:01.980 --> 02:26:03.240
care and handling

02:26:03.710 --> 02:26:05.280
last week far right national

02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:07.480
security minister bender veer proposed

02:26:07.480 --> 02:26:09.400
building a new detention facility

02:26:09.400 --> 02:26:11.880
surrounded by crocodiles to hold

02:26:11.880 --> 02:26:13.580
palestinian prisoners jailed for

02:26:13.580 --> 02:26:14.460
security offenses

02:26:15.000 --> 02:26:16.720
he suggested the plan would prevent

02:26:16.720 --> 02:26:18.540
escapes and act as a deterrent

02:26:18.540 --> 02:26:20.420
and said it was inspired by the

02:26:20.420 --> 02:26:22.020
alligator alcatraz detention

02:26:22.020 --> 02:26:23.940
facility in the florida everglades

02:26:24.880 --> 02:26:28.280
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mr penguin and angelo

02:27:23.060 --> 02:27:23.960
and

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we've had all kinds of things talked

02:27:26.260 --> 02:27:27.780
about definitely no shortage of things

02:27:27.780 --> 02:27:30.180
talked about but secession is always a

02:27:30.180 --> 02:27:32.980
favorite topic of at least penguin and i

02:27:32.980 --> 02:27:34.860
oh yeah for sure no i'm down with you

02:27:34.860 --> 02:27:36.600
all know about the uh state of jefferson

02:27:36.600 --> 02:27:39.040
oh yeah i'm a huge proponent of the

02:27:39.040 --> 02:27:40.880
state of jefferson man i in oregon is

02:27:40.880 --> 02:27:42.520
that organ exclusive well it's like

02:27:42.520 --> 02:27:44.220
organ northern california like way

02:27:44.220 --> 02:27:45.620
north california that people don't even

02:27:45.620 --> 02:27:46.940
know it exists because there's like

02:27:47.540 --> 02:27:49.580
five hours of california before you

02:27:49.580 --> 02:27:50.260
get to sacramento

02:27:50.260 --> 02:27:53.680
mm-hmm from the border of oregon so it's

02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:56.520
like it's just a section of uh isn't it

02:27:56.520 --> 02:27:59.140
the third biggest yeah i think in the

02:27:59.140 --> 02:28:00.940
lower 48 it's the second biggest

02:28:01.580 --> 02:28:02.880
yeah i think montana is like fourth

02:28:03.540 --> 02:28:05.020
right yeah it's like third or fourth

02:28:05.020 --> 02:28:08.000
montana is huge too so but uh california

02:28:08.000 --> 02:28:09.500
definitely so big that like all you

02:28:09.500 --> 02:28:11.460
think of is los angeles but yeah i

02:28:11.460 --> 02:28:12.680
but there's a there's been a movement

02:28:12.680 --> 02:28:15.740
in in oregon to make our the 51st

02:28:15.740 --> 02:28:17.020
state the state of jefferson

02:28:17.620 --> 02:28:20.140
um since before i was i was born

02:28:20.140 --> 02:28:22.540
and i didn't know that old yeah it's a

02:28:22.540 --> 02:28:25.000
strong sentiment we're tired uh tired of

02:28:25.000 --> 02:28:26.580
portland and sacramento ruining the

02:28:26.580 --> 02:28:28.680
lives of cattle ranchers and potato

02:28:28.680 --> 02:28:32.540
farmers um so they wanted to leave uh

02:28:32.540 --> 02:28:34.620
and i was a big supporter of that and i

02:28:34.620 --> 02:28:36.380
just don't think at this point we

02:28:36.380 --> 02:28:38.260
should just you know exiting the

02:28:38.260 --> 02:28:40.120
union sounds more preferable

02:28:40.120 --> 02:28:41.780
yeah i want to say i don't think

02:28:41.780 --> 02:28:42.920
there's any i can't imagine there'd

02:28:42.920 --> 02:28:44.740
be anybody on this uh coasting the

02:28:44.740 --> 02:28:46.280
show that's not as big fat as the

02:28:46.280 --> 02:28:46.520
session

02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:48.340
yeah i love the session i think it's

02:28:48.340 --> 02:28:49.660
great yeah i don't know anybody on

02:28:49.660 --> 02:28:51.480
the show yeah i mean libertarians in

02:28:51.480 --> 02:28:53.580
general but i did get told by libertarian

02:28:53.580 --> 02:28:56.420
if not today then it was yesterday um

02:28:56.420 --> 02:28:59.320
when i so they're from russia maybe they

02:28:59.320 --> 02:29:02.160
feel they can't say anything but let

02:29:02.160 --> 02:29:02.680
me just explain

02:29:02.680 --> 02:29:05.300
they're from russia and they're all

02:29:05.300 --> 02:29:06.800
they're one of those left libertarians

02:29:06.800 --> 02:29:09.360
that's like way more mad at russia

02:29:10.140 --> 02:29:12.620
for the war in ukraine than the

02:29:12.620 --> 02:29:14.000
ukrainian government they act like

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:15.140
the ukrainian government did no

02:29:15.140 --> 02:29:15.460
wrong

02:29:15.460 --> 02:29:18.080
and and it's not true like it's

02:29:18.080 --> 02:29:20.360
actually untrue and it's like i like

02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:23.140
targeting russian people like russian

02:29:23.140 --> 02:29:25.180
people in ukraine so basically in

02:29:25.180 --> 02:29:27.140
for being russian i mean yes i mean

02:29:27.140 --> 02:29:28.600
that's like targeted definitely with

02:29:28.600 --> 02:29:30.740
the the russian government says putin's

02:29:30.740 --> 02:29:32.440
government says no it's actually it's

02:29:32.440 --> 02:29:34.080
absolutely true that in

02:29:34.080 --> 02:29:36.920
2014 the donbas region and another

02:29:36.920 --> 02:29:38.000
one voted to leave

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:40.940
and oh yeah they did vote they did vote

02:29:40.940 --> 02:29:43.320
for secession bombing people in

02:29:43.840 --> 02:29:47.540
those regions to try to scare them

02:29:47.540 --> 02:29:48.880
into actually doing it

02:29:48.880 --> 02:29:52.760
and that any person of pro secession

02:29:52.760 --> 02:29:54.480
should be against Kiev for doing that

02:29:54.480 --> 02:29:55.820
and i'm not saying that means russia

02:29:55.820 --> 02:29:57.000
did nothing wrong that's what these

02:29:57.000 --> 02:29:58.060
people always think you're saying

02:29:58.060 --> 02:29:59.500
people always think you're saying

02:29:59.500 --> 02:30:01.580
okay russia's awesome and should

02:30:01.580 --> 02:30:03.180
definitely have attacked them and

02:30:03.180 --> 02:30:06.020
but if the people voted to secede and

02:30:06.020 --> 02:30:08.400
join russia and leave the ukraine

02:30:08.400 --> 02:30:10.380
and those people not make their own

02:30:10.380 --> 02:30:10.740
decision

02:30:10.740 --> 02:30:12.560
so this is what i said to him i said

02:30:12.560 --> 02:30:15.080
well what if mexico or i mean

02:30:15.080 --> 02:30:17.220
sorry texas voted to join mexico

02:30:17.220 --> 02:30:19.440
not just to see but join secede and join

02:30:19.440 --> 02:30:19.860
mexico

02:30:19.860 --> 02:30:22.320
and trump said no and started bombing

02:30:22.320 --> 02:30:24.820
texas would you feel the same way

02:30:24.820 --> 02:30:26.920
and all he could say because he didn't

02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:28.100
want to answer that question was

02:30:28.660 --> 02:30:31.720
well it's illegal to secede in the

02:30:31.720 --> 02:30:34.240
united states retroactively done by

02:30:34.240 --> 02:30:35.780
abraham lincoln after the south that

02:30:35.780 --> 02:30:37.820
already succeeded the activist judge in

02:30:37.820 --> 02:30:39.620
texas v white somebody has to remind

02:30:39.620 --> 02:30:40.820
these people that the united states

02:30:40.820 --> 02:30:43.980
is literally a country only because of

02:30:43.980 --> 02:30:45.300
rebellion against the british umpire

02:30:45.300 --> 02:30:46.980
right yeah exactly it was illegal

02:30:46.980 --> 02:30:48.260
under the british up when the united

02:30:48.260 --> 02:30:49.860
states was part of the british umpire

02:30:49.860 --> 02:30:50.240
right

02:30:50.240 --> 02:30:52.200
um you know before was the united states

02:30:52.200 --> 02:30:55.400
basically it was illegal for us to

02:30:55.400 --> 02:30:58.080
secede and we yet we did well it's not

02:30:58.080 --> 02:31:01.560
even a we we united in secession but

02:31:01.560 --> 02:31:02.900
we were all supposed to be our own

02:31:02.900 --> 02:31:04.920
country still right it was the

02:31:04.920 --> 02:31:07.520
essentially the country of new york and

02:31:07.520 --> 02:31:09.480
multiple has its own constitution and

02:31:09.480 --> 02:31:10.960
its own that was that was after

02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:12.580
secession from the british umpire

02:31:12.580 --> 02:31:14.740
yes but then when we joined it as

02:31:14.740 --> 02:31:16.800
the constitute with the constitution

02:31:16.800 --> 02:31:17.740
everything i understand yes independent

02:31:17.740 --> 02:31:19.800
countries yes yeah in um the united

02:31:19.800 --> 02:31:20.900
states was supposed to be independent

02:31:20.900 --> 02:31:23.100
countries and you would have yeah yeah

02:31:23.100 --> 02:31:25.540
in multiple including i know road island

02:31:25.540 --> 02:31:26.760
i don't remember every other state

02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:29.040
multiple states said i'm not joining

02:31:29.040 --> 02:31:31.240
this aka like signing the constitution

02:31:31.760 --> 02:31:33.800
unless you make it clear that we can

02:31:33.800 --> 02:31:35.860
leave and i don't think they got

02:31:36.440 --> 02:31:38.400
good enough um like they didn't get

02:31:38.400 --> 02:31:39.740
that written in stone anywhere

02:31:39.740 --> 02:31:41.300
unfortunately but ultimately the

02:31:41.300 --> 02:31:43.540
government we are the the country

02:31:43.540 --> 02:31:45.720
that we have today was overthrown

02:31:45.720 --> 02:31:48.300
seven years or so after you know

02:31:48.300 --> 02:31:50.280
independence why do you say seven years

02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:51.640
well because the articles of confederation

02:31:51.640 --> 02:31:53.720
right fell apart yeah right and then we

02:31:53.720 --> 02:31:55.900
had the whiskey rebellion and well i

02:31:55.900 --> 02:31:58.180
like we had to reset the whole cons the

02:31:58.180 --> 02:31:59.820
whole the whole government like a

02:31:59.820 --> 02:32:01.060
couple times long before the whiskey

02:32:01.060 --> 02:32:03.940
rebellion the the us the us basically

02:32:03.940 --> 02:32:06.380
had formed one government and then uh

02:32:06.380 --> 02:32:08.920
it was overthrown and then a new

02:32:08.920 --> 02:32:12.500
government was formed so no but what i

02:32:12.500 --> 02:32:13.840
don't think what i'm talking about when

02:32:13.840 --> 02:32:15.220
i said road island wanted to make sure

02:32:15.220 --> 02:32:17.140
they wouldn't join i think i was ratifying

02:32:17.140 --> 02:32:19.000
the current u.s constitution that's what

02:32:19.000 --> 02:32:20.260
i'm trying to say that it didn't have

02:32:20.260 --> 02:32:21.500
anything to do with the articles i know

02:32:21.500 --> 02:32:23.360
about the articles of confederation how

02:32:23.360 --> 02:32:25.780
that stopped happening and the

02:32:25.780 --> 02:32:27.860
constitution became a new thing but what

02:32:27.860 --> 02:32:29.280
i'm saying is i'm pretty sure they was

02:32:29.280 --> 02:32:31.280
Rhode Island and like two other states

02:32:31.280 --> 02:32:33.820
and they said we're not sure we want to

02:32:33.820 --> 02:32:35.140
do this unless we're positive will

02:32:35.140 --> 02:32:36.500
will be allowed to leave so i'm trying

02:32:36.500 --> 02:32:38.500
because it was a contract right it was

02:32:38.500 --> 02:32:41.060
a contract between the these nation

02:32:41.060 --> 02:32:44.300
states of agreeing to a certain set

02:32:44.300 --> 02:32:47.480
of yeah i was right of laws when it came

02:32:47.480 --> 02:32:49.460
to commerce interstate commerce i think

02:32:49.460 --> 02:32:51.240
you guys i think you guys are kind of

02:32:51.240 --> 02:32:54.780
over how i say this um you're giving it

02:32:54.780 --> 02:32:56.980
too much credibility uh it was literally

02:32:56.980 --> 02:32:58.180
like a group of people that basically

02:32:58.180 --> 02:32:59.880
took over that just came in and decided

02:32:59.880 --> 02:33:01.020
that we're going to go over the united

02:33:01.020 --> 02:33:02.560
states wait what are you talking about

02:33:02.560 --> 02:33:04.120
what do you mean what do you mean by

02:33:04.120 --> 02:33:05.760
that like who because it wasn't legal

02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:08.020
for them to do it um wait what do

02:33:08.020 --> 02:33:09.760
you mean like what what exact thing

02:33:09.760 --> 02:33:11.440
was not legal and who are you talking

02:33:11.440 --> 02:33:12.280
about when you talk about a group

02:33:12.280 --> 02:33:13.660
of people yeah like who's day

02:33:15.140 --> 02:33:17.540
i can't name the names like hamilton

02:33:18.220 --> 02:33:20.160
franklin or or are we are the people

02:33:20.160 --> 02:33:22.000
sign the constitution because i mean

02:33:22.000 --> 02:33:23.600
there is a there is definitely if you're

02:33:23.600 --> 02:33:24.840
going even deeper than that

02:33:24.840 --> 02:33:27.380
yeah there is an argument that like

02:33:27.380 --> 02:33:29.400
what right did they have to put

02:33:29.400 --> 02:33:30.840
anybody under a constitution and i

02:33:30.840 --> 02:33:32.360
believe that like i believe the whole

02:33:32.360 --> 02:33:35.820
spooner mindset but without going

02:33:35.820 --> 02:33:38.280
that far it's absolutely true that the

02:33:38.280 --> 02:33:40.720
people who ran Rhode Island and

02:33:40.720 --> 02:33:41.980
there's also other states but this

02:33:41.980 --> 02:33:43.620
instantly answering that for me and i

02:33:43.620 --> 02:33:44.920
don't feel like continuing to google this

02:33:44.920 --> 02:33:47.940
it says they resisted i wanted to say

02:33:47.940 --> 02:33:49.780
that yesterday but then i was like oh

02:33:49.780 --> 02:33:49.960
wait

02:33:49.960 --> 02:33:52.560
Rhode Island i think was the one in

02:33:52.560 --> 02:33:53.940
new england i don't know though i don't

02:33:53.940 --> 02:33:55.280
know yeah so let's see i think the

02:33:55.280 --> 02:33:58.560
terms are uh federalist um versus uh

02:33:58.560 --> 02:34:00.060
the anti-federalist so like the

02:34:00.060 --> 02:34:02.120
hamilton papers like because all those

02:34:02.120 --> 02:34:03.560
guys wrote the federalist papers

02:34:04.440 --> 02:34:06.020
and anti-federalist papers like

02:34:06.020 --> 02:34:07.200
those are founding fathers like

02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:08.920
documents you can go yeah that's

02:34:08.920 --> 02:34:10.880
kind of like the they're so like

02:34:10.880 --> 02:34:13.080
i don't you know some of the stuff is

02:34:13.080 --> 02:34:14.220
sort of begging my memory at the

02:34:14.220 --> 02:34:14.460
moment

02:34:15.040 --> 02:34:16.580
i have to review but

02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:20.300
and they got pressured under congress

02:34:20.300 --> 02:34:21.100
and other states

02:34:21.100 --> 02:34:23.140
Rhode Island finally called a

02:34:23.140 --> 02:34:25.580
convention because they were not

02:34:25.580 --> 02:34:27.800
going to call a convention they

02:34:27.800 --> 02:34:29.280
weren't even going to vote on it yeah

02:34:29.280 --> 02:34:30.160
they weren't even going to talk about

02:34:30.160 --> 02:34:31.260
it until they knew they and that's

02:34:31.260 --> 02:34:33.380
why they were the last ratify but

02:34:33.380 --> 02:34:35.020
the only thing that google isn't

02:34:35.020 --> 02:34:36.240
quickly answering for me is like

02:34:36.240 --> 02:34:38.780
what ended up happening that got

02:34:38.780 --> 02:34:40.340
them to say okay i feel safe enough

02:34:40.340 --> 02:34:42.740
to join now i don't think they got

02:34:44.700 --> 02:34:46.560
enough assure assurance that they

02:34:46.560 --> 02:34:47.760
could leave whenever they wanted

02:34:47.760 --> 02:34:50.080
no i think i think it was the federalist

02:34:50.080 --> 02:34:52.040
took over the what was you know the

02:34:52.040 --> 02:34:53.100
united states after independence

02:34:53.100 --> 02:34:55.000
set was seven years later or so

02:34:55.000 --> 02:34:56.520
are you saying that those people were

02:34:56.520 --> 02:34:57.600
where the people that became the

02:34:57.600 --> 02:34:59.340
people who created the also like seven

02:34:59.340 --> 02:35:01.520
years later so what formed our

02:35:01.520 --> 02:35:03.540
modern government basically okay so but

02:35:03.540 --> 02:35:04.680
then they wrote the constitution

02:35:04.680 --> 02:35:08.040
right because 1787 would be 10 years

02:35:08.040 --> 02:35:09.820
after the formation of the united

02:35:09.820 --> 02:35:12.660
states in 1776 yeah i think you're right

02:35:12.660 --> 02:35:14.280
so then it's just the constitution is

02:35:14.280 --> 02:35:14.840
what they wrote

02:35:16.260 --> 02:35:18.040
uh well no because because remember

02:35:18.040 --> 02:35:19.560
originally when we declared independence

02:35:19.560 --> 02:35:21.160
from the british empire we were a bunch

02:35:21.160 --> 02:35:22.640
of countries basically that was the

02:35:22.640 --> 02:35:24.100
first government and then the second

02:35:24.100 --> 02:35:25.340
government yeah well that was the

02:35:25.340 --> 02:35:27.360
content of continental congress right

02:35:27.360 --> 02:35:29.100
didn't they yeah absolve i think so

02:35:29.100 --> 02:35:32.200
post war like after the war or was

02:35:32.200 --> 02:35:33.260
they didn't that's the whole thing it

02:35:33.260 --> 02:35:34.980
was just like it was a small group

02:35:34.980 --> 02:35:36.340
of individuals that just didn't work

02:35:36.340 --> 02:35:37.980
that the federalists that took over

02:35:37.980 --> 02:35:40.320
and informed the new government um

02:35:40.840 --> 02:35:42.260
that i mean again that's my understanding

02:35:42.260 --> 02:35:43.660
of it if somebody has a different

02:35:43.660 --> 02:35:45.240
understanding of it well i just thought

02:35:45.240 --> 02:35:46.800
like the the so the continental

02:35:46.800 --> 02:35:48.620
congress happened and then we had the

02:35:48.620 --> 02:35:50.300
articles of confederation congress

02:35:50.300 --> 02:35:53.020
was legal what was not legal was the

02:35:53.020 --> 02:35:54.560
articles of confederation or the

02:35:54.560 --> 02:35:56.820
constitution the articles of confederation

02:35:56.820 --> 02:35:58.920
and the new constitution okay but

02:35:58.920 --> 02:36:01.660
the articles of confederation oh no

02:36:01.660 --> 02:36:03.380
mind i'm mixing those two up no i

02:36:03.380 --> 02:36:04.920
thought the articles of confederation

02:36:04.920 --> 02:36:07.460
was prior to the constitution prior and

02:36:07.460 --> 02:36:10.540
different thing that dissolved because

02:36:10.540 --> 02:36:12.100
those yeah i think you might be right

02:36:12.100 --> 02:36:13.460
but and i think the continental

02:36:13.460 --> 02:36:16.140
congress is a third separate so you're

02:36:16.140 --> 02:36:17.200
saying these are all the same people

02:36:17.200 --> 02:36:18.420
and you think it was all the same people

02:36:18.420 --> 02:36:20.220
with their multiple attempts is that

02:36:20.220 --> 02:36:21.100
what you're saying because like i could

02:36:21.100 --> 02:36:24.000
see that as a second theory the second

02:36:24.000 --> 02:36:26.860
government was basically the federalist

02:36:26.860 --> 02:36:28.080
because there was a federalist first

02:36:28.080 --> 02:36:29.440
anti-federalists and originally

02:36:29.440 --> 02:36:33.220
there was there was um we didn't have

02:36:33.220 --> 02:36:34.980
a federal government that was in

02:36:34.980 --> 02:36:36.860
total control of everything right we

02:36:36.860 --> 02:36:38.200
had independent countries that sort of

02:36:38.200 --> 02:36:40.120
worked alongside each other in order to

02:36:40.120 --> 02:36:42.800
form the u.s and that's kind of what

02:36:42.800 --> 02:36:44.180
led to the articles of confederation

02:36:44.180 --> 02:36:46.540
that didn't that didn't work the federalist

02:36:46.540 --> 02:36:47.700
said that didn't work and it wasn't

02:36:47.700 --> 02:36:49.440
working well so they basically decided

02:36:49.440 --> 02:36:50.380
we're just going to come in and we're

02:36:50.380 --> 02:36:51.740
going to take over and form a new

02:36:51.740 --> 02:36:53.240
government and we're not going to ask

02:36:53.240 --> 02:36:54.640
permission well was that the whole

02:36:54.640 --> 02:36:56.280
idea of the checks and balances that

02:36:56.280 --> 02:36:58.000
they worked into the constitution it

02:36:58.000 --> 02:36:59.400
wasn't how the the federalist

02:36:59.400 --> 02:37:01.500
explained it at least was that if we

02:37:01.500 --> 02:37:03.240
distributed enough of the power

02:37:03.240 --> 02:37:06.040
throughout the federal throughout the

02:37:06.040 --> 02:37:07.700
federal government is that they could

02:37:07.700 --> 02:37:09.900
kind of keep an eye on each other and

02:37:09.900 --> 02:37:11.780
not consolidate too much power in the

02:37:11.780 --> 02:37:14.320
one wing of it right that's why we had

02:37:14.320 --> 02:37:16.940
three separate ones so like everyone's

02:37:16.940 --> 02:37:18.540
kind of watching each other at all time

02:37:18.540 --> 02:37:20.140
i'm learning something brand new over

02:37:20.140 --> 02:37:22.360
here the most yeah i think that's the

02:37:22.360 --> 02:37:24.200
second government basically what i just

02:37:24.200 --> 02:37:26.540
learned from google it's all google yes

02:37:26.540 --> 02:37:27.880
because when you're doing a radio show

02:37:27.880 --> 02:37:28.880
you don't know something up the top

02:37:28.880 --> 02:37:29.940
of your head you have to google it

02:37:29.940 --> 02:37:33.000
yep um i always thought the road island

02:37:33.000 --> 02:37:35.280
then decided well okay we are going to

02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:36.840
join now that we've gotten some sort of

02:37:36.840 --> 02:37:39.860
assurance no they actually ended up

02:37:39.860 --> 02:37:42.760
joining because they got threatened

02:37:42.760 --> 02:37:45.700
it says that um what happened was

02:37:45.700 --> 02:37:47.360
economic pressure the turning point

02:37:47.360 --> 02:37:48.800
what came when congress threatened to

02:37:48.800 --> 02:37:50.440
treat road island as a foreign entity

02:37:50.440 --> 02:37:52.040
imposing tariffs on its goods making

02:37:52.040 --> 02:37:54.400
continued separation economically

02:37:55.280 --> 02:37:57.380
unviable and then facing potential

02:37:57.380 --> 02:37:59.880
economic warfare from the other 12

02:37:59.880 --> 02:38:01.320
states and fearing reprisals

02:38:01.320 --> 02:38:03.580
road island finally convened a ratifying

02:38:03.580 --> 02:38:05.700
constitution that's bad

02:38:05.700 --> 02:38:08.420
yeah i mean so it's been coercion since the

02:38:08.420 --> 02:38:10.500
jump but we do have a caller in the line

02:38:10.500 --> 02:38:13.000
so i want to go to the phones anonymous

02:38:13.000 --> 02:38:15.020
caller you're on free talk live what's on

02:38:15.020 --> 02:38:18.440
your mind rich i owe you an apology

02:38:19.180 --> 02:38:21.080
okay rich isn't here but you can you can

02:38:21.080 --> 02:38:22.720
apologize to him if you want and he

02:38:22.720 --> 02:38:24.300
might hear it

02:38:26.320 --> 02:38:28.100
i'll take that back i didn't know he

02:38:28.100 --> 02:38:28.880
was not in studio

02:38:28.880 --> 02:38:31.560
okay i mean if you want to call back next

02:38:31.560 --> 02:38:33.860
sunday he'll be on sunday that oh richy

02:38:33.860 --> 02:38:36.760
rich not not um not rich oh yeah richy

02:38:36.760 --> 02:38:40.000
rich right richy rich is he in studio

02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:42.660
no no he'll be in here next sunday

02:38:42.660 --> 02:38:43.780
though i think that me

02:38:44.380 --> 02:38:47.020
that's fine anything else on your mind

02:38:50.200 --> 02:38:52.860
the yeah something like oh yeah he

02:38:52.860 --> 02:38:56.540
hung up um yeah that's the guy who owes

02:38:56.540 --> 02:38:56.980
rich money

02:38:56.980 --> 02:39:01.400
no no that's not um richy i don't know if

02:39:01.400 --> 02:39:03.580
i say he owes him money i don't know

02:39:03.580 --> 02:39:05.660
well they made a bet yeah they've made a

02:39:05.660 --> 02:39:07.680
bet but did it end i don't know and yeah

02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:09.780
i guess a second leg has ended and he

02:39:09.780 --> 02:39:11.200
hasn't been paid for the first leg

02:39:11.200 --> 02:39:14.800
so okay yeah yeah i don't know i don't

02:39:14.800 --> 02:39:17.120
know maybe people shouldn't make bets

02:39:17.120 --> 02:39:19.460
over the radio yeah that makes sense

02:39:19.460 --> 02:39:20.800
yeah let's say the internet and i was

02:39:20.800 --> 02:39:22.440
like well the radio bets over radius

02:39:22.440 --> 02:39:25.480
seems like a bad idea yeah i don't know

02:39:25.480 --> 02:39:27.500
is that even that can be considered

02:39:27.500 --> 02:39:29.820
legal that was too interesting like

02:39:29.820 --> 02:39:31.620
like would they be able to take it to

02:39:31.620 --> 02:39:33.320
core and win well no i just mean like

02:39:33.320 --> 02:39:35.100
could you can you place bets like that

02:39:35.100 --> 02:39:36.640
on the radio isn't that kind of like a

02:39:36.640 --> 02:39:39.120
form of gambling gambling yeah i don't

02:39:39.120 --> 02:39:40.760
know we just have like a does that

02:39:40.760 --> 02:39:43.320
become gambling because it's not i guess

02:39:43.320 --> 02:39:45.160
our friendly wage is not considered i

02:39:45.160 --> 02:39:46.380
don't know i don't know i think

02:39:46.380 --> 02:39:47.620
you're probably right it's probably

02:39:47.620 --> 02:39:49.480
technically illegal it's just because

02:39:49.480 --> 02:39:51.840
we're broadcasting it uh no i'm not

02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:52.800
gonna point it out i'm not going to

02:39:52.800 --> 02:39:54.460
point it out anymore i'm not talking

02:39:54.460 --> 02:39:56.140
about it i don't think it's i think it's

02:39:56.140 --> 02:39:58.080
just outlawed period like you can't just

02:39:58.080 --> 02:39:59.560
i think gambling like like when you have

02:39:59.560 --> 02:40:02.200
a game of um poker that's illegal i

02:40:02.200 --> 02:40:04.280
think technically um i mean it may not

02:40:04.280 --> 02:40:06.360
be enforced but for the most part but

02:40:06.360 --> 02:40:07.500
unless of course you're a political

02:40:07.500 --> 02:40:09.520
you know politically well is it different

02:40:09.520 --> 02:40:10.720
for having a card game

02:40:10.720 --> 02:40:13.100
oh i guess yeah i guess yeah i that would

02:40:13.100 --> 02:40:15.660
mean well i poker rooms i don't know

02:40:15.660 --> 02:40:17.600
if the house doesn't win any money if

02:40:17.600 --> 02:40:19.000
there's like no house and it's all

02:40:19.000 --> 02:40:20.600
there's some how is legal ways to make

02:40:20.600 --> 02:40:22.680
bets in some in some way so it might

02:40:22.680 --> 02:40:25.320
be covered yeah license oh yeah there's

02:40:25.320 --> 02:40:26.980
licenses for like game like we have it

02:40:26.980 --> 02:40:29.440
in kimi um like a casino but like if you

02:40:29.440 --> 02:40:31.280
all sat down and consensually put your

02:40:31.280 --> 02:40:33.060
own money in and there's like no house

02:40:33.060 --> 02:40:34.660
making money off of it technically

02:40:34.660 --> 02:40:36.480
illegal i do i guess yeah that'd be like

02:40:36.480 --> 02:40:38.780
a mafia as i understand it yeah yeah

02:40:38.780 --> 02:40:41.060
well um i'm just so interested in what

02:40:41.060 --> 02:40:42.800
he wanted to apologize to richie rich

02:40:42.800 --> 02:40:44.300
over because i'm pretty sure that that

02:40:44.300 --> 02:40:46.040
was james the one who last week called

02:40:46.040 --> 02:40:47.720
and said like ian's an idiot i'm an

02:40:47.720 --> 02:40:49.240
idiot for marrying him and he's

02:40:49.240 --> 02:40:52.040
skinny or whatever and um are like

02:40:52.040 --> 02:40:53.560
young or i don't remember what he said

02:40:53.560 --> 02:40:54.920
about him that was like weirdly

02:40:54.920 --> 02:40:57.340
insulting calling a little boy yeah

02:40:57.340 --> 02:40:59.640
that's what was like a little boy i was

02:40:59.640 --> 02:41:04.040
like 45 but um that was that guy so i'm

02:41:04.040 --> 02:41:05.380
like super interested to know what

02:41:05.380 --> 02:41:07.440
what would he be calling to apologize

02:41:07.440 --> 02:41:09.240
to any of us over he never even

02:41:09.240 --> 02:41:11.240
apologized mark over threatening to like

02:41:11.240 --> 02:41:14.320
kill mark and his family that's the

02:41:14.320 --> 02:41:16.160
same guy oh was that that's the guy

02:41:16.160 --> 02:41:18.420
oh um okay wait i don't want to say

02:41:18.420 --> 02:41:19.940
yes that's absolutely the guy but

02:41:19.940 --> 02:41:22.160
somebody that we know sure somebody that

02:41:22.160 --> 02:41:24.920
we know that is absolutely sure knows

02:41:24.920 --> 02:41:27.180
voices very well and said that they are

02:41:27.180 --> 02:41:28.000
pretty sure that's the guy

02:41:28.780 --> 02:41:30.720
yeah but he wouldn't tell us who he was

02:41:30.720 --> 02:41:33.540
last week okay so there's that and that

02:41:33.540 --> 02:41:35.460
person hadn't called since about 2021

02:41:35.460 --> 02:41:37.120
as far as i was gonna say it's been a

02:41:37.120 --> 02:41:38.920
while i think since i've heard him um

02:41:38.920 --> 02:41:40.440
yeah apparently drum called yesterday

02:41:40.440 --> 02:41:42.840
too i thought that was cool i wasn't

02:41:42.840 --> 02:41:44.360
all interesting from new york right

02:41:44.360 --> 02:41:46.280
no drum is south carolina he's the one

02:41:46.280 --> 02:41:47.860
who loves to say oh i hate drum

02:41:47.860 --> 02:41:51.460
and uh he he's trying to think he

02:41:51.460 --> 02:41:52.940
always calls about hating trump and then

02:41:52.940 --> 02:41:55.060
richie rich says trump train just to

02:41:55.060 --> 02:41:56.520
mess with them got you did he do it

02:41:56.520 --> 02:41:59.080
yesterday uh i think riley did

02:41:59.080 --> 02:42:01.680
oh yeah that's funny oh yeah because

02:42:01.680 --> 02:42:02.660
richie rich wasn't what i forgot

02:42:02.660 --> 02:42:05.680
well anyways i want to get into the

02:42:05.680 --> 02:42:08.560
story from the daily mail statin

02:42:08.560 --> 02:42:10.800
island residents discussed plans to

02:42:10.800 --> 02:42:12.580
secede from new york city amid

02:42:12.580 --> 02:42:14.740
outrage in deep red burrow which is

02:42:14.740 --> 02:42:15.640
satan satin island

02:42:16.280 --> 02:42:18.900
satan island over new socialist mayor

02:42:19.600 --> 02:42:21.520
residents of statin island have

02:42:21.520 --> 02:42:23.440
discussed renewed calls for secession

02:42:23.440 --> 02:42:25.040
from new york city after a newly

02:42:25.040 --> 02:42:27.940
elected mayor zohra and mom donnie

02:42:27.940 --> 02:42:28.900
visited the burrow

02:42:28.900 --> 02:42:30.200
oh i don't want to i do want to go to

02:42:30.200 --> 02:42:32.340
the uh phones because we quickly got

02:42:32.340 --> 02:42:33.800
another call and we have maybe like

02:42:33.800 --> 02:42:34.380
ten minutes left

02:42:34.380 --> 02:42:36.340
turd berguson from pennsylvania

02:42:36.340 --> 02:42:37.800
you're on free talk live what's on

02:42:37.800 --> 02:42:38.200
your mind

02:42:39.220 --> 02:42:41.800
well i think we should on ban uh

02:42:41.800 --> 02:42:44.000
starting in 2026 the greatest

02:42:44.000 --> 02:42:46.600
caller of free talk live of all time

02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:49.300
james wittekind wait we should unban

02:42:49.300 --> 02:42:50.680
ban him he's banned

02:42:51.560 --> 02:42:53.500
yes i believe so i believe he's banned

02:42:53.500 --> 02:42:54.580
from calling the show

02:42:54.580 --> 02:42:56.300
i didn't know that i'm banning

02:42:56.300 --> 02:42:58.440
he calls him with a call that says

02:42:58.440 --> 02:42:58.860
anonymous

02:43:00.500 --> 02:43:02.440
i'm sorry what oh whenever he calls

02:43:02.440 --> 02:43:04.880
in it says anonymous so in last week i

02:43:04.880 --> 02:43:05.900
told him that he was like well then

02:43:05.900 --> 02:43:07.720
you've blocked me maybe that's the

02:43:07.720 --> 02:43:08.900
case maybe he ended something the

02:43:08.900 --> 02:43:11.340
bans are temporary um they usually

02:43:11.340 --> 02:43:13.120
threaten to kill mark and never

02:43:13.120 --> 02:43:15.500
never ever ever apologize yeah i i

02:43:15.500 --> 02:43:17.960
realize that but i i think i want to

02:43:17.960 --> 02:43:20.000
say yin still allows them to call in

02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:22.220
or and honestly i think he did too

02:43:22.220 --> 02:43:25.020
because in 2011 or 2021 i meant to say

02:43:25.020 --> 02:43:26.680
when i first got here first started in

02:43:26.680 --> 02:43:26.960
the show

02:43:27.540 --> 02:43:29.780
i was here for call calls from him

02:43:29.780 --> 02:43:31.140
and i would just laugh because he said

02:43:31.140 --> 02:43:32.620
the most ridiculous mean things he

02:43:32.620 --> 02:43:34.500
be like you pencil neck

02:43:35.140 --> 02:43:37.020
i never heard that one before you

02:43:37.020 --> 02:43:38.620
never heard of pencil neck not until

02:43:38.620 --> 02:43:41.520
then and it's like an old man uh like

02:43:41.520 --> 02:43:43.100
that'd be like a he's like a nerd

02:43:43.100 --> 02:43:46.500
okay so third why is he the greatest

02:43:46.500 --> 02:43:48.720
color of all time why is uh james

02:43:48.720 --> 02:43:50.640
wittekine the greatest color of all

02:43:50.640 --> 02:43:50.960
time

02:43:51.660 --> 02:43:53.260
because he's far away the most

02:43:53.260 --> 02:43:55.660
entertaining and i and i listen i

02:43:55.660 --> 02:43:58.340
consume media to be entertained

02:43:58.340 --> 02:43:58.900
period

02:43:59.500 --> 02:44:01.360
and i don't think he's the most

02:44:01.360 --> 02:44:03.280
entertaining i can't say he is

02:44:03.820 --> 02:44:05.560
well yeah i mean maybe maybe

02:44:06.180 --> 02:44:07.340
but aside from me

02:44:07.340 --> 02:44:10.120
it's james wittekine i think you call

02:44:10.120 --> 02:44:11.940
him to have actual conversations to

02:44:11.940 --> 02:44:13.660
definitely like as opposed to like

02:44:13.660 --> 02:44:15.540
skeeter he's just not trying to have

02:44:15.540 --> 02:44:15.960
a conversation

02:44:16.880 --> 02:44:19.000
um and uh do you definitely say funny

02:44:19.000 --> 02:44:19.520
things

02:44:20.140 --> 02:44:22.060
yes he does not even entertaining no

02:44:22.060 --> 02:44:24.540
james wittekine james wittekine's

02:44:24.540 --> 02:44:26.560
highly entertaining he's last weekend

02:44:26.560 --> 02:44:28.800
when he was uh when he said like oh

02:44:28.800 --> 02:44:30.060
i don't know why anyone would marry

02:44:30.060 --> 02:44:31.640
a child or whatever he said to me was

02:44:31.640 --> 02:44:33.060
that entertaining that wasn't that

02:44:33.060 --> 02:44:34.900
entertaining to me it was like james

02:44:34.900 --> 02:44:36.140
wittekine called in last week

02:44:36.140 --> 02:44:38.880
yeah um was it last week exactly and

02:44:38.880 --> 02:44:39.860
it was i think a saturday

02:44:40.640 --> 02:44:42.440
yeah i got real weird for a second

02:44:43.820 --> 02:44:46.120
i dude i wish i heard it i didn't hear

02:44:46.120 --> 02:44:47.780
it well it's always up on the

02:44:48.300 --> 02:44:50.240
you know we were talking about we were

02:44:50.240 --> 02:44:51.360
talking about skeeter

02:44:51.360 --> 02:44:53.400
and we were we were making fun of

02:44:53.400 --> 02:44:55.220
skeeter on the low and we said

02:44:55.220 --> 02:44:57.620
he who shall not be named as in

02:44:57.620 --> 02:44:58.820
skeeter because we didn't want him

02:44:58.820 --> 02:45:00.240
to call and go skeeter mode

02:45:00.900 --> 02:45:03.000
and then suddenly this guy calls out

02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:03.440
of the blue

02:45:03.440 --> 02:45:05.280
and i thought it was skeeter at

02:45:05.280 --> 02:45:07.580
first and then um he was like you know

02:45:07.580 --> 02:45:09.700
who this is richie rich and i was like

02:45:09.700 --> 02:45:11.580
hey richie was like no i don't we don't

02:45:11.580 --> 02:45:13.080
we thought it was skeeter this whole

02:45:13.080 --> 02:45:15.680
time but i guess it was did he say

02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:18.280
don't you deserve to die like the free

02:45:18.280 --> 02:45:21.860
talk lies troll you are i love james

02:45:21.860 --> 02:45:24.300
wittekine dude he's hilarious i don't

02:45:24.300 --> 02:45:26.600
remember him saying that i dude he

02:45:26.600 --> 02:45:28.520
despises me i'm probably the only

02:45:28.520 --> 02:45:30.420
person he hates more than mark edge

02:45:30.420 --> 02:45:32.940
on it was sunday december 28th go

02:45:32.940 --> 02:45:34.420
back and listen to the last segment

02:45:34.420 --> 02:45:35.840
of the show oh it's on my birthday

02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:37.640
that's yeah that must be why i wasn't

02:45:37.640 --> 02:45:39.300
listening to all my birthday oh yeah it

02:45:39.300 --> 02:45:40.800
was he did call you were in you were in

02:45:40.800 --> 02:45:42.760
the hot tub alone yep exactly i don't

02:45:42.760 --> 02:45:44.140
know oh yeah

02:45:44.620 --> 02:45:46.660
huh that's weird because i usually i

02:45:46.660 --> 02:45:49.120
don't know man i wish i'd heard it i

02:45:49.120 --> 02:45:50.220
love james wittekine

02:45:50.220 --> 02:45:52.300
i think he was entertaining that and

02:45:52.300 --> 02:45:54.400
then this was very strange just i have

02:45:54.400 --> 02:45:56.580
an apology for you rich in the way

02:45:56.580 --> 02:45:59.360
like richie rich or or rich paul and

02:45:59.360 --> 02:46:01.520
he's just like he's not there and

02:46:01.520 --> 02:46:02.740
hangs up that's not entertaining

02:46:02.740 --> 02:46:04.940
we have more to say there's no way that

02:46:04.940 --> 02:46:06.520
was him though there's no way that was

02:46:06.520 --> 02:46:07.960
james wittekine i would i would know

02:46:07.960 --> 02:46:09.880
somebody that knows his voice said it

02:46:09.880 --> 02:46:11.760
was him last week's why i think it was

02:46:12.500 --> 02:46:14.380
i can't keep track of the colors

02:46:14.380 --> 02:46:16.620
all a good portion of the news that

02:46:16.620 --> 02:46:17.420
the people who call in are just

02:46:17.420 --> 02:46:19.440
nuts yeah but some people are way

02:46:19.440 --> 02:46:21.580
better at recognizing please call in

02:46:21.580 --> 02:46:24.040
because man oh my i know i know i love

02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:25.580
it whenever somebody calls in and

02:46:25.580 --> 02:46:26.680
they're like hey don't call that much

02:46:26.680 --> 02:46:28.160
but i just have something to say and

02:46:28.160 --> 02:46:29.360
they're like totally normal awesome

02:46:29.360 --> 02:46:30.700
person you know what i mean it

02:46:30.700 --> 02:46:31.220
doesn't happen

02:46:31.220 --> 02:46:33.660
like uber joint listen you can be i always

02:46:33.660 --> 02:46:35.460
hope you can be a little bit crazy be

02:46:35.460 --> 02:46:36.860
on the you know be a left-wing supporter

02:46:36.860 --> 02:46:39.480
that's fine call in right just in fact

02:46:39.480 --> 02:46:40.880
we can at least have conversations with

02:46:40.880 --> 02:46:43.060
sarah yeah she doesn't get offended by

02:46:43.060 --> 02:46:45.200
anything no no um conversations with

02:46:45.200 --> 02:46:47.180
sarah she knows that she's very stoic

02:46:47.180 --> 02:46:48.980
i will give that to sarah she does not

02:46:48.980 --> 02:46:51.340
let anything get to her a lot of it

02:46:51.340 --> 02:46:52.680
goes in one ear and goes out the other

02:46:52.680 --> 02:46:55.740
with her but uh yes so yeah um

02:46:55.740 --> 02:46:57.760
honestly you only get one call and i

02:46:57.760 --> 02:46:59.620
i'm just gonna call to ask i just want

02:46:59.620 --> 02:47:00.900
to let you defend your name i'm just

02:47:00.900 --> 02:47:02.160
wondering is this james

02:47:04.820 --> 02:47:07.440
maybe you have a low average iq but you're

02:47:07.440 --> 02:47:10.040
right on that one oh yeah okay so i have a

02:47:10.040 --> 02:47:12.360
below average iq but i'm right that you

02:47:12.360 --> 02:47:14.080
are james okay so it is james i'm

02:47:14.080 --> 02:47:15.600
only nearly listened to you to know

02:47:15.600 --> 02:47:18.960
that's a fact but i called in because

02:47:18.960 --> 02:47:22.540
you again your station perpetuated

02:47:22.540 --> 02:47:25.400
the ridiculous lie about speaking of

02:47:25.400 --> 02:47:27.180
the fbi that you seem to have a low

02:47:27.180 --> 02:47:30.060
opinion of yes mark has such a high

02:47:30.060 --> 02:47:32.740
opinion of them that he had them knock

02:47:32.740 --> 02:47:35.900
on my own brother's front door looking

02:47:35.900 --> 02:47:38.180
for me when all they had to do

02:47:38.180 --> 02:47:42.000
would call me and within 15 seconds

02:47:42.000 --> 02:47:44.900
they knew that that grotesque lie you

02:47:44.900 --> 02:47:47.560
have repeated if i had a bitcoin for

02:47:47.560 --> 02:47:49.240
every time i've heard i threatened

02:47:49.240 --> 02:47:53.740
mark edgerton and his tickets take some

02:47:53.740 --> 02:47:55.420
into court then prove that you didn't

02:47:55.420 --> 02:47:56.700
say it because i mean that it's

02:47:56.700 --> 02:47:59.300
recorded yeah i mean it's it's

02:47:59.300 --> 02:48:01.100
literally go back into the archive and

02:48:01.100 --> 02:48:02.880
listen to the shows i really doubt that

02:48:02.880 --> 02:48:04.400
mark is just saying it and i didn't hear

02:48:04.400 --> 02:48:06.560
the call myself but mark told me you

02:48:06.560 --> 02:48:08.460
said it and schizophrenic people don't

02:48:08.460 --> 02:48:09.720
always remember what they've said

02:48:09.720 --> 02:48:10.880
before oh he hung up

02:48:10.880 --> 02:48:12.740
did you get to hear that turn it

02:48:12.740 --> 02:48:15.260
genuinely was james oh yeah that was

02:48:15.260 --> 02:48:17.460
definitely james woulda kind holy crap

02:48:17.460 --> 02:48:19.460
that was amazing it's like the return

02:48:19.460 --> 02:48:20.420
of the dark night dude

02:48:21.000 --> 02:48:23.320
he's calling huh the return of the

02:48:23.320 --> 02:48:26.240
dark night yeah batman batman returns

02:48:26.240 --> 02:48:27.720
well you only get one call night

02:48:27.720 --> 02:48:29.940
sorry james hung up and i'm not

02:48:29.940 --> 02:48:31.320
interested in talking to him apparently

02:48:31.320 --> 02:48:32.760
turns really interested in it but it's

02:48:32.760 --> 02:48:33.900
not that interesting to me

02:48:33.900 --> 02:48:35.680
i mean like schizophrenic people aren't

02:48:35.680 --> 02:48:38.160
not drawn i don't know what's going on

02:48:38.160 --> 02:48:39.780
and i tried to call him a few weeks

02:48:39.780 --> 02:48:41.160
ago and i don't know if he changed his

02:48:41.160 --> 02:48:42.580
number or he just blocked my phone

02:48:42.580 --> 02:48:44.700
number what's going on but uh i guess

02:48:44.700 --> 02:48:46.060
he's mad at me or something i thought he

02:48:46.060 --> 02:48:47.540
said he hates you but you call him

02:48:47.540 --> 02:48:50.520
directly i yeah sometimes yes i mean

02:48:50.520 --> 02:48:52.540
we've had some pretty we've had some

02:48:52.540 --> 02:48:54.720
good conversations they usually end

02:48:54.720 --> 02:48:56.380
though with like with like

02:48:56.940 --> 02:48:59.340
well calling james how would you like it

02:48:59.340 --> 02:49:01.320
if i showed up there in shrewsbury

02:49:01.320 --> 02:49:03.760
pennsylvania and murdered you or there is

02:49:03.760 --> 02:49:06.100
it usually ends with that but he but the

02:49:06.100 --> 02:49:07.500
conversation is usually pretty funny

02:49:07.500 --> 02:49:09.220
though it's i think it's i think it's

02:49:09.220 --> 02:49:11.120
right i think it's crazy that you

02:49:11.120 --> 02:49:12.980
would throw in somebody's eight year

02:49:12.980 --> 02:49:16.060
old's child yeah i mean but i mean i

02:49:16.060 --> 02:49:18.260
i think uh you know as a sort of a

02:49:18.260 --> 02:49:19.640
radio personality we kind of have to

02:49:19.640 --> 02:49:21.980
be a little bit um how do i say this

02:49:21.980 --> 02:49:23.780
kind of ignore the the nonsense from

02:49:23.780 --> 02:49:25.180
people that are crazy then call us

02:49:25.180 --> 02:49:28.360
but it still it's like it's like it used

02:49:28.360 --> 02:49:29.620
to be entertaining when we would answer

02:49:29.620 --> 02:49:32.900
dust in from kansas dust in from kansas

02:49:32.900 --> 02:49:34.340
dust in the wind from kansas that was

02:49:34.340 --> 02:49:36.420
clearly what that was referenced to um

02:49:36.420 --> 02:49:37.960
it was sometimes entertaining he would

02:49:37.960 --> 02:49:39.820
just say like the radio and the radio

02:49:39.820 --> 02:49:41.380
and the radio makes waves and waves

02:49:41.380 --> 02:49:42.840
are in the ocean and it would go on

02:49:42.840 --> 02:49:45.420
like that so gross oh man that was

02:49:45.420 --> 02:49:48.340
actually crazy nuts right but after

02:49:48.340 --> 02:49:49.700
a while it's like don't let that go on

02:49:49.700 --> 02:49:51.340
for like two minutes well yeah you

02:49:51.340 --> 02:49:53.100
can't sit there and like uh second

02:49:53.100 --> 02:49:56.020
ten seconds or 20 seconds you do want

02:49:56.020 --> 02:49:57.260
people to call in that are entertaining

02:49:57.260 --> 02:49:59.880
but like yeah well at some point you're

02:49:59.880 --> 02:50:02.080
also just using you're using like

02:50:02.080 --> 02:50:04.160
broken people for views to kind of like

02:50:04.160 --> 02:50:05.100
at some point yeah that's a little mean

02:50:05.100 --> 02:50:06.860
to some of the kids in it you know what

02:50:06.860 --> 02:50:08.080
i mean yeah he's a broken person he's

02:50:08.080 --> 02:50:09.600
mentally ill sometimes i would go

02:50:09.600 --> 02:50:12.040
bad and let him be mentally ill to the

02:50:12.040 --> 02:50:13.800
world and use him for like yucks

02:50:13.800 --> 02:50:15.980
can feel kind of gross but it's so crazy

02:50:15.980 --> 02:50:17.480
that his name was dustin from kansas

02:50:17.480 --> 02:50:19.200
like that was clearly not his real name

02:50:19.200 --> 02:50:21.680
well probably not but like he couldn't

02:50:21.680 --> 02:50:24.160
seem to he had to be if that was real

02:50:24.160 --> 02:50:28.420
and not i don't know ai before it's time

02:50:28.420 --> 02:50:32.440
or you know um somebody pranking us then

02:50:32.440 --> 02:50:34.040
that person couldn't possibly been like

02:50:34.040 --> 02:50:35.920
living on his own you know what i mean

02:50:35.920 --> 02:50:37.100
no he probably lived with his mom or

02:50:37.100 --> 02:50:39.900
something yeah that's pretty sad and

02:50:39.900 --> 02:50:41.900
sometimes he has a very like normal

02:50:41.900 --> 02:50:45.080
person like almost like like i can i

02:50:45.080 --> 02:50:47.240
can hold a job type of voice does that

02:50:47.240 --> 02:50:48.540
make sense do you get the interview

02:50:48.540 --> 02:50:52.220
do you remember dustin i don't know who

02:50:52.220 --> 02:50:54.960
dustin is um okay yeah i have no idea who

02:50:54.960 --> 02:50:57.060
he is i don't oh sorry turd i didn't mean

02:50:57.060 --> 02:50:58.000
to cut you off i thought he was gonna

02:50:58.000 --> 02:50:59.560
just end it at that but the show is over

02:50:59.560 --> 02:51:02.120
at this point the show was over so more

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