that you control, and 603-283-6160 is the phone number. That's 603-283-6160. You can
call in with whatever is on your mind. That's the whole point of Freetalk Live. We talk
about whatever we want. You talk about whatever you want. You can change the subject. You
can tell us we're wrong about what we're saying. It's up to you. That's the point
of Freetalk Live. And with you on Freetalk Live, tonight you've got me, Bonnie, Mr.
Penguin and Angelo. And I know that they talked about it yesterday, but I wasn't on
the show yesterday. And obviously, very obviously, the big news, the big news in the
New Year is that Trump and the United States government goons invaded Venezuela
on the ground and actually kidnapped Maduro, the president, the dictator, to
be fair, in his sleep, the communist dictator, to be fair. And there are a
lot of libertarians saying, is it possible to do anything against the nap when the
subject is a communist? It's a good question. Yeah. I think the short answer is the
nap is the nap, right? So no, you can't really justify that. Yeah, I see what you're
saying. Well, because the communist hasn't really taken anything. That communist
dictator didn't take anything from you, right? You haven't been aggressed upon.
If you're, if you have a kid with you, or anybody else, okay, if you have a friend,
let's make it not your kid to just make it one layer away. You have a friend and
you're out in public and that friend is about to get stabbed. Do you have the
right to use force against the strapper? I think you do. As long as it's
uncontential. Because the, yes, because the nap means that, that's what I
mean to say. Self-defense is using force against somebody to defend yourself
another or your property. Yeah. So I don't know. There's a, I guess you could say
that they were moving in defense of Venezuelan people, but are the Venezuelan
people actually free? I think the one they need to actually ask you into, I
think you're right. They'd have to be coming in to do something better. And
they're not, they're not, that's not going to get any more. That's where I'm
trying to take this. They're not going to make it any more free down
there. They're not going to actually be less under a dictatorship. Okay. So
you're not violating the nap if you're in Venezuela and you take over, right?
Because you're defending yourself against other violent actors. Yeah. If
you're Venezuelan, you're right. The United States isn't being, but no, we
just changed the subject. You just changed, you've changed the goalpost
because I just made it, we all agreed that you can, it, let's say it's
none of your friend. It's a random person on the street. You see them
about to be stabbed. Is it against the nap to defend that person? No. No,
right. So it's like, almost there. But the thing is, I don't think what
they're going to do in the end is going to actually help the Venezuelan
people. And there's a difference between, you know, you, you, yeah,
sure. You, you, it may be, you may think you have some sort of, you
know, moral, you know, duty to do something, but that's not
necessarily required by the nap. You can also choose to do
nothing. Definitely. That's definitely true. In the case, we
should do nothing. I think we should do nothing to in the
United States should do nothing. Even if we want to do, you
know, if we wanted to do something at an individual level or
group, you know, outside of government, I think that would
be totally justifiable. But we'll never be able to because we
get stolen from and because of the fact we get stolen from it,
it makes everything the United States did an act of aggression
against the people that they're stealing from, you know,
without their permission. So there's that even ignoring that.
Right. The United States actually prohibits individuals,
Americans from getting together and taking over another
country. So yeah, there was just like two Texas guys who were
arrested for planning like a coup on a small island in Haiti.
Yes. Yeah. You didn't you heard about you? You know, I don't
know if I heard about that particular couple weeks ago, but
this happens. This does happen every once in a while. They're
like really young. They had to get they had to be a
situation where an FBI agent was talking to them and
telling them, Hey, you can do this. Like, I can't see any
other scenario, but I could be wrong. Yeah, it's like to
like some sub 30 year olds. They're super young. They're
like 23 and 22 or something. Yeah. And we're going to make a
raft and take a bunch of guns over to the small island off the
coast of Haiti, kill all the men and take the women for like a
harem and like make their own little utopia on the island.
So that's obviously against the nap in and of itself. But the
thing is, if you wanted to do that, take some rafts and
guns and go free people on an island and genuinely not
hurt anyone other than the aggressors, I think that's
not against the nap. But also what you're saying is like,
you're not required to. The difference here is that what they
were doing was against the people. And what we're
suggesting is against the government. So, you know, the
actors of the state,
what who was doing is against Oh, what those two young
people? Yeah, setting up a harem and like the women or
whatever. They're basically trying to impose their another
government, you know, on those and use, you know, I
mean, I don't know to what degree the government is the
current government there is, you know, doing, you know,
taking women and, you know, abusing them. Yeah, that island,
I don't know. The whole point they were going there was
because they're the government was so ineffective. I mean, it
was probably just ran by a warlord anyway. So they were
just going to go steal it. What's your young people just
decide that amongst themselves? I really feel like the FBI
agent had to be like, hey, from Texas to like, yeah,
like you could just live your life instead. But in pretty
good life in America, young men in Texas, instead, you
just decide to throw it away for this seems like some I
just it reeks of something. The FBI would try to say, Hey,
you know, you should try this. I bet you can get away with it.
And then they're like, yeah, we got him. See, I'm saying, I'm
not saying I know that. Yeah, this kind of this very much
does smell similar. You know, whenever, whatever violence
is occurring, you have to ask, well, what's the, you
know, what's the cause of it, right? Because often, often
it is literally government, the government's actually
fabricating that situation. It's not like it doesn't
happen independent of government, but it's much more
rare than you would think.
Well, I do, I just wanted to make sure people know what we
mean by the nap for a second and is a little late, but the
nap is the non aggression principle as the principle
that you do not ever initiate aggression against or force
against another person. And it can only be justified in
self defense and I already defined self defense. So if
you're wondering what the heck we're talking about, maybe
I should have said that from the beginning. But I, I know
you guys are already covered. Hey, Maduro was captured in
his sleep. So like, I'm not going to read an article that's
like, about that all over again. But I do have to say I told
you guys, and I don't know how many people were covering
this every like once a week. Hey, a war is about to start in
Venezuela. Scary. Hey, war is about I don't I didn't
hear anybody talking about it outside of that even on like
like YouTubers and stuff I watch. See what I'm saying. I
tried to stay on top of it because I felt it coming and
it really did. Like Ian woke me up at noon one day,
unfortunately. And so he calls me and he's like, did you
hear the news? I was like, what? And he said they went the
United States goons went into Venezuela. They kidnapped
Maduro in his sleep. And now Trump says says the United
States is going to run Venezuela. I was like, yeah, you
know, exactly how Trump would do that. That's that's the
thing that I want to know is what their plan is as far as
to run. Because as I understand it, the the leadership is
still in power in as well. It's just one or well one man and
his wife. They made like a new woman president, right? Yeah.
So they just put some other they're just gonna put some
other, you know, other opposition party. I don't know
how good those are. There's also well. No, I don't think
it's is the opposition. That's what I think it is. Didn't
you hear that the new woman they installed is from the
opposition party? They haven't I don't think they've
installed anyone yet. Right now the vice president
wasn't at the United States saying that they were going
to install somebody. Well, yeah, but they haven't done it
yet. The United States isn't in power. They didn't they
didn't undermine the I don't know if they did it yet, but
they've talked about this woman. They're going to install
that they're at least teasing to install. And I know that
they said she's of the opposition party. Why would
they put the same party? That would make sense. But the
problem is that they didn't take out the the leadership.
They only took out the one guy. The one guy. Oh, I
see we're seeing now. Well, I do have an article
specifically about that. So if you guys want to learn
more, I want to I think we should get into a bit
more. I know it's I know we talked about yesterday.
But I know that this is getting into in a different way
because yeah, sure. I want to know this article from the
Wall Street Journal says Trump rolls the dice on nation
building with vow to run Venezuela. So let's see how
they're going to do that because that's what a lot
of people are asking. So Swift military operation
delivers Venezuelan strongman Maduro into custody
though his lieutenants say they remain in charge
like Penguin is saying. So after an audacious overnight
operation that captured Venezuelan strongman. I don't
I don't know really. I've never heard the term strongman
in this way. I guess it means dictator because that's
what he is. Nicholas Maduro and removed him from
power. President Trump on Saturday embraced an open
ended nation building effort of a kind once said
he once he once said he once said he would avoid
sorry. Trump said the US would run Venezuela a
Latin American country of 29 million people with a
faltering economy for an indefinite period. We're
going to run it essentially until the proper
transition takes place. He said a provided few
details about the White House would take control
of the country without putting large numbers of US
troops on the ground. I wonder how you're going
to do that. But that's kind of nice if they're
able to do it that way as opposed to large
numbers of troops on the ground turning into like
Afghanistan. You know. Yeah. An option. He didn't
roll out though. Trump said even less about whether
a viable plan was in place for governing Venezuela
after deposing its president and sending him to
the US to face criminal charges other than to
insist the US. And that's another little angle of
this I hadn't really thought about like yeah he's
facing criminal charges. I wonder how that's
going to go. But this is an open phones show
and somebody's on the phone so let's go to the
phones on screen caller you're on free talk live
what's on your mind. I just want to make sure
people know what we mean by the nap for a
second and it will wait but the nap is the
nonaggression principle as the principle that
you do know. Exception Bonnie. What you said
you cannot initiate for the against another
person for that one exception Bonnie. Children
and grown people to all have a retard. Oh maybe
to save the Earth. Hold on. He's really really
stupid and he just like tries to act like he's
got you instead of having an honest conversation
with someone else. What is he even. He's trying
to say that it's there. There's an exception
and that he's trying to say that I am wrong
about this and I'm like maybe he's trying
to say I'm a hypocrite because you can
under the nap you can absolutely impose
force against another person to protect
your property your children are your
property in my opinion so I'm a hundred
percent consistent on that whether you
guys agree or whether Skeeter agrees or
not I'm a hundred percent consistent on
that your children are your property
and if they're going to run in the road
and you use force to stop them it's no
sane person would say that's not okay for
any reason. I don't think it's any I
don't think there's an issue with you
know using force against your 35 year old
son. What do you mean. Well I mean you
can use force against your children right
you said. That you're acting like there
is no it doesn't end. Yeah my 35 year old
son's out to jump into the street and I
have to tackle him to keep him from
hurting himself. Yeah he's trying to make
it sound like what I was saying is
illogical or immoral. It obviously ends
there are multiple types of property
ownership that come to an end like
renting. If you're renting something and
it's currently yours and somebody's
about to destroy it you have the
right to stop them right or even harm
them if they won't stop. Yes because
you're renting it. That doesn't mean it
has to be yours permanently but it's
yours for that moment. I don't want to
continue talking to Skeeter and I know
that some people find that like no she
has to argue with him for 30 minutes
or it's not a good argument. I really
don't care you make a show where you
argue with Skeeter for 30 minutes of
time like I'm not open to it so I've
purposely been not answering him so we
called from a different number. So I
said slow house California sounds like
a place he would live in a slow
house for short. Slow house. So
anyways we were talking about but do
you guys understand how I at least in
being consistent on this while Skeeter's
trying to claim I'm not. I think I think
you need to I think you're you're how
do I say this you're thinking it needs
to be thought out a bit more. No I
think about it way more than you do.
I think about it so much more than
you do. Like you you want to say
children should they 100% from the
time they're born own their body
100% and I say no that's obviously
not possible. I don't know what you own more
than something that comes out of your
body. Like did you think you own your
car more than the thing that grew inside
of your body and couldn't exist without
you. I think I think looking at it in
terms of property is the wrong way to
look at it. Then what would you call it.
I don't think that's the right choice
word but I'm not disagreeing with you
obviously but if you had a kid how
come I can't and I can prove that I
can give it a better life and you're
not harming it but I can prove I can
give it a better life and I can prove
that it wants to come with me and it's
newborn somehow I can prove it. How come I
can't take it? Why can't I take it?
I don't think the choice is the question
why can't I take your child? What what
is the actual reason? Just because you
want to have it but it wants to go with
me. It's your property that's why I
can't take it. If all else is not
if everything else is above board
you're not hurting the child like
somebody can make the case. I'm not
saying somebody else has a higher
claim to take care of that child than
you. I just don't think we should be
looking at it as property. Just because
the word makes me uncomfortable and it
doesn't make me uncomfortable to think
that when I was a baby I was my
parent's property. I think it's
people often times that have bad
experiences with the parents that make
something like I don't want to think
that and I understand where they're
coming from but it's not a place of
being absolutely like emotions out of
the thought process and and logical
about it because like there has to
be a reason I can't take your child.
There has to be a reason with word to it.
You can do what you want with your
property. I don't necessarily think a
parent has an ultimate decision-making
power as to do whatever they want with
their property. They can't just throw
a baby in a garbage can after they
decide. And everybody seems to think
that destroying your property is the
end all be all and you can't call
it property but I think that there
can be different types of property.
You can't destroy something you
rented one and you own the
property. And you could still be
it could still be considered against
the nap if you're just torturing your
animals. I know like Richie Rich
doesn't believe that well I just
agree with him. And we've had this
with this argument. The nap is
regarding people not animals like I
mean I get what you're saying it's
there may be other morals that you
hold it's and sort of the nap is sort
of the sort of the lowest one.
Forgetting about the nap right now
talking about property your animals
your property correct? Yeah. They're
forgetting about the nap you're
saying it doesn't apply to animals.
I think that if you're just like
torturing animals in your yard
skinning animals and somebody took
it from you I consider that fine.
Richie Rich doesn't. Richie Rich says
you could never steal somebody's
animal from. So you're okay with
using violence against somebody I
get you. Violence against somebody
when they're using violence against
an animal yes. Right. And most
people agree with me on the whole
plan. I know that's an argument
against. That probably violates
the nap. But you just said it
doesn't because you just said it
it doesn't apply to animals.
Right. But aren't you saying that
you're the one who would be using
the violence against somebody else.
Okay. Against the person. Okay. I
thought you were saying something
else. Sorry. Yeah. No. I understand
that you think that I can never
use force against someone in that
case. You think there's never
a reason justifiable reason to
use force against someone in that
case. I think it's justifiable.
Well that's not what I said. What
I said was I think that would
violate the nap. I don't think
it would because there are things
there are times that you can use
force against someone it doesn't
violate the nap. Yes. And I say
in defense of living creatures
is fine. And you say no. And I get
we disagree on this nap and you're
sort of extending it. No. I'm talking
about defense. You're adding
additional I'm talking about defense
of a living creature. And you're
just saying nap once you even
though we already said we're not
talking about the nap. We can it
can be wrong to do like skin
animals or torture them or whatever.
That can be wrong. But that
doesn't necessarily violate the
nap. Right. Okay. But we're
not we stopped talking about that
like forget if it that violates
the nap or not. That isn't the
part that violates the nap. It
doesn't mean they have to violate
the nap against the animal for me
to say that it's right for me to
stop them from doing it.
So forget the nap exists. Forget
you ever heard about the nap. The
part the part of this is is it
okay is this justified force that
I'm using against them. So maybe
you need to know about the nap
for that part. But you're trying
to change it back. No. Under the
nap. No. It can be under the
nap. Once I'm saying can I use
the force against them because
force is justified sometimes
right. But then you try to make
it about the nap again when
you're saying the animal part and
that's when it doesn't make any
sense because you just said the
nap doesn't play against animals.
So when is it why isn't it
justified. Why is it justified to
stop the harm of a human like
let's say full grown human but
not the harm of an animal. Like
what is the reason just because
they're human. Listen. Listen.
I'm not. I'm not. I just want to
know your opinion. Yeah. Like I'm
not I'm not trying to give you
my opinion so much as what I
think the you know what the
nap is right. But the nap is
one sentence. Right. And it's
well. We have to extrapolate
things out of it. We have to
and I agree. And I think I think
you know ultimately you know
look it's immoral to do certain
things but that doesn't
necessarily mean they violate
the nap. But tell me why is it
that you can use force against
somebody to stop them from
harming. Let's say a retarded
human being. Why is that OK.
But it's not OK to stop them
from harming an animal that is
like sometimes more with it
than a retarded human being
depending on their retarded
human being. My parents have an
adopted kid. I've seen it. It's
you know it's an interesting
question. If the answer is well
once human was not I just I do
not accept that. Do you see what
I'm saying. I think I don't
think there's anything
inherently better about humans
than I mean and you may have
like argument to sort of
extend the nap or some
variation of the nap. Right.
Why would it extend it like the
nap is one sentence. We
extrapolate all kinds of things
out of it. You see what I'm
saying. Yeah. I don't see
whether what's I don't think
upon an animal. Right. Like I
mean here's I think it will get
from another perspective. Right.
OK. Are you going to use
violence against somebody who
eats meat. No because I have
said before that I I don't
think that OK. I didn't finish
the sentence. I didn't finish
what I was saying because
they're had there sometimes can
be a but they're in a caveat
to things like libertarians
hate that. But they're
candid. But let me let's
continue. Everything's black
and white. It's not. Let's
continuous thought. We do have
color. Things aren't black and
white. Let me just one more
thing. So what about the
the next person to you. Right.
That takes us a little bit
further and says they can use
violence because you eat me
against. Let's say I'm at least
have it getting to have the
conversation and they don't
just run over to my place
where I'm slaughtering cows
and stuff and eating them.
This is what I would say to
them. I would say I am not
just unduly causing harm to
them. I believe that you
should only eat meat that is
killed in the most humane
way that is raised and
treated the most humanely
because humans can't live
without animals. So like it's
just the natural order. The
other thing is you know how
you said the nap doesn't
agree to or doesn't apply to
animals. Animals don't have
the concept of that. An
animal will eat another
animal. So the nap the nap
isn't harmed when they're
just put to death. But I
think it is when you're
causing long term harm to
an animal. That's
different. When it comes
down to it is that nap
is not the end all be all.
Well it's not. But I'm
just saying I think that I
can make this argument to
somebody and I have
multiple times other free
status have agreed to me that
I've changed their mind and
stuff. That there is a big
difference between causing
long time like let's say it's
like skinning an animal.
Yeah. Because of skinning
an animal alive. Right.
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. And just quickly killing
a dead animal. These are
morals and you can have
other morals right. But
that doesn't necessarily
mean you can. But there
has to be a time you have
to find out when somebody
can step in and stop it.
You think you think that
there it's never justified.
You would say like that
person's being evil because
that's when you say somebody's
aggressing against the nap that
means they're being evil.
You think it's being evil to
take an animal away from
somebody who's who's being
like maybe they want to keep
it alive for a whole year.
I'm slowly skinning it.
All I'm saying is I think
it I think it would violate
the nap whether or not it's
the right thing to do.
That's another matter.
But yeah. I think it
violates the nap.
OK. So to bring it back
to the children well maybe we
should do you want to
answer the call first.
Why don't we answer the call.
It's Tom from New Hampshire
and I'm not sure if you're
calling about the same topic
we're talking about or if
you're wanting to change the
subject what's on your mind Tom.
I want to talk about the war
against Venezuela.
It's being waged for obviously
for oil.
Yeah. I think he's going on
said it's for oil right mostly
or yeah in large part.
I did. He kind of said it was
like in order to get back
our what they stole from us
which is sounds crazy but
his reference would be to the
oil companies and the land
basically that U.S. companies
had control of you know back
30 40 years ago.
Well the oil companies
invested in a lot of
grilling and stuff down there
and then the Venezuelan
government stole all of their
property but that's
you know that's the way it goes
just like you get mugged on the
street of Tijuana.
It's the San Diego police
cannot help you because it
happened outside.
We gotta talk about taxes
after this.
Well yeah we can keep you on
the line if you want to
keep talking about this Tom
and we can bring it into
the conversation about taxes
as well.
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Tom from New Hampshire
on the line
and he was calling in about
the war
in Venezuela
isn't it a war still?
I mean like
I wonder what
they're gonna call it
a police action
jeez a war
I mean that's interesting
I don't know honestly
like he called a war
I think it's probably
it's not a war
in the sense that
the United States
has not declared war
Yeah but when did we
didn't declare war
in Afghanistan either?
No and I think those are
I think it makes
it based on it
it's an illegal act
based on the people
who empower
and those who are
following those orders
My brand hadn't even
gotten there yet
I hadn't thought about
that part like
that did
they do the proper
order of operations
that like the Constitution
says you have to do
in order to capture Maduro
No they said
well he says he did it
in conjunction with
law enforcement
so it's a police action
it does not have power
Yeah they're saying
they went to extradite him
they sent him into arrest
It doesn't have authority
overseas
see it would have to be
working with the
the Venezuelan government
for it to be legal
But the DEA
what about the DEA
don't they have authority
over
they don't
they don't have authority
Oh in South America anyway
it's in working
with in cooperation
with the governments
of those countries
that makes a lot of sense
that
I don't understand then
it's the governments
of those countries
that are doing the arrest
and then
and clearly Maduro
would be the government
of Venezuela
and this was done
without the consent
of the government
of Venezuela
the Venezuelan police
would have had to arrest
arrest them
and then extradite
not the US
and the US can
go in and help
but they can't
they can't
they have no authority
within Venezuela
Well okay
well let's say
if there was an opposition
government within Venezuela
kind of like
a continental congress
that allowed
the US to take out
Maduro
and they claimed
that they were
the sovereign
controllers
you know
like the anti-communists
group of
so there was a civil war
you're basically saying
there was a civil war
in Venezuela
and
the US government
wants to support one side
or I mean
are they not at odds
I mean
I'm just saying
we weren't at
in a full like
war with
Great Britain
when we first made
the continental congress
I mean I think you
I think
like from a constitutional
perspective
you would need
to declare war
I think so too
that's what I've always heard
but
let's talk to
Tom
because that's what he called
then about Tom
you called it a war
what makes you
what makes you call
a door
in Venezuela
well
uh Trump
is wanted
in Iran
right now
for
on a
arrest warrant
because
he is
charged with
murdering an
Iranian general
I imagine that
Iranian forces
were to
swarm into
Washington DC
and
in the White House
and capture
she captured
not kidnapped
capture
an arrest
Donald Trump
and bring him back
to Iran
that's the equivalent
of what
Trump is doing to Maduro
yeah it's
this is an active war
I and I
I think that's a fair statement
I
it's just not a
legal
um declaration of war
and
and they're talking about
what look at all the
human rights violations
yeah well
the legal drinking age
in the district of Colombia
is 21
that's a justification
to overthrow
the federal government
isn't it
uh yes
now
if
the it's just a matter
of the Iranian government
doesn't have
the military
power
to get into Washington DC
and the United States
bureaucrats
currently
still have enough power
to pull a stunt like that
but
keep in mind when Trump
what is
bothering Trump
not only is the nationalization
of
the oil companies
but that they were
not working on the
petrodollar
using
the United States dollar
as the
currency
for
international commerce
in petroleum
they were
going to
you
they were going to be using
breaking away from that
and
the United States bureaucrats
really really really want
all international trade to be
uh
transacted
on US dollars deposited
in United States banks
and the US dollar by the way
has dropped 38%
in value against gold
just since January 20th
the day
that Donald Trump took office
the highest price I saw
during that day on a chart
was 2712
announced
and now it's in the
4300
announced and it's
because
the dollar has dropped in value
it's not like gold became
more valuable
it's a triumph of gold
it's still 31.1034768
grams of gold
that didn't go up in value
it didn't
doesn't go down in value
it's the gold standard
but
the dollar has plundered
that much
just since
January of 2025
and they really really want to
keep the gold
the US dollar standard
because they you know
as they say
roses are red
violets are blue
taxation is theft
and inflation is too
and so they get
they stole all that money
out of all those dollars
they stole 38% of the
all the dollars in circulation
essentially by
devaluing them
it's uh
just like you know
the ancient kings
who would
take that
use
issue coins the same
mass
as the previous ones
but instead of being
a solid gold there
diluted them down
40% 30%
10 you know
until
almost no gold in them
and they ordered everybody
to take them
or you're going to be put to death
while they're trying to order
the Venezuelans
to take these dollars
or get invaded
and then spending your tax money
to prop up the US dollar
and the profits of banks
and uh
financing of the federal debt
don't call it the national debt
the nation is a community
it's a federal government
that is
uh
borrowing all that money
by the way
yeah i don't know anything
in the
national debt
i agree it's what they did
it's uh
by the way
they've been taking
one seventh of my
lifetime earnings
through the social security tax
and the employer match
and obviously it's not like
the employer is paying
that match
they have to
reduce your
base pay accordingly
because your labor
has to be worth
the grand total of everything
they're paying for
salary and benefits
and social security
and everything
yeah it's
it's also
it's worth pointing out
that it's not one seven
that's just the social security
part of it
there's way more than one
seventh that they're taking
from everybody
it's it's closer to 90
something percent
i'm filing for social
security benefits
and uh
the uh
website
uh says
oh well there's a problem
you have to call us
at this number
and get this
when you hear
how can i help you today
please say
help desk
they want me to babble back
to a robot
and i'm not going to babble
to a robot
and i sent the uh
commissioner of social security
a letter today
explaining
i don't go for this
babble to the robot
nonsense
or navigate
respond to menu
menu prompts
i wait until
the machine gives up
and directs the call
to a human
you can press zero sometimes
sometimes i just
i just press zero
when i hear a directory
and it takes me right
to a human
i just scream representative
oh yes
or if i'm on the phone
it's a robot
i just say
representative
talk to a representative
i do the same thing
i don't i don't babble to the robot
i wait until it connects
and
um
i had a bunch of trash to remove
i called
a trash company
was a very easy to remember
phone number
and they don't answer the phone
unless you babble to a robot
or navigate menu
so i called another one
simple enough thing to do
but what can you do when
you've got a government
bureaucracy forcing people to
pay out taxes
all your life
and so
uh i wrote this nasty letter
because uh commissioner
i mailed that out today
saying uh
you know if your machine
had simply
directed the call
to an agent
i wouldn't be here
i might have gotten this resolved
by now
and i wouldn't be sitting here
reminding you
that if you enjoy that warm
feeling you get
by making your victims babble
to robots
you can get a warmer feeling
by pouring gasoline
all over yourself
and lighting a match
and you might even get
a warmer feeling
yes
if you don't repent of your
wicked ways
and beg god to forgive you
see
i'm not
threatening to do anything to
me
yeah that's a good point
what he believes
that god might do
to him
and uh
that you don't win
by inciting my anger
because
time is on my side
you are busy
and i'm not
and i have thought
the longer it takes the more
me every time i get a fight
with somebody on signal all day
and i don't have anything to do all
day
the monthly payments go up
every month
that i have to wait
and then
uh
i can have time
to look over the chess board
like a merciless chess player
will be for every legal move
to make you wish you hadn't
pulled this on me
and through that telephone
are you happy now
and you know and
mail that to the commissioner
and cc
us representative
maggie goodlander cc
uh the northeast regional
communications director
the national communications director
down in baltimore
uh yell yeah
and the office of the inspector general
uh of social security
oh yeah
send it off to them
i got nothing better to do i mean
i can send nasty grams out there
and
you know this sounds like a form of
activism just annoying
government workers all day
yeah i the only
the only thing here is
i would say that i wouldn't want
to be doing it some random location
i would want to be doing it new
hampshire specifically
because there's enough other people
doing it alone individually spread out
you know we achieve nothing but
concentrated we we actually this
does have an effect
i i think um if that could be a form
of activism just a free stater is
calling your hampshire government
goons all day to irritate them and
cause them to uh spend more money
being
you know paid for doing nothing like
like i want to put in records
request
every single day
or out something that doesn't
matter that much
yeah i don't know i don't know if that
specifically um as long as they're
free records request i don't know if
that specifically is is the way to go
but certainly i'm not saying it's the
best the most important form of
activism well because what happens is
you end up you abuse the system and
then they then they pass a law to
stop us from being able to get the
records which is probably useful but
certainly um you know going to your
you know like filming going around
and filming your different offices and
things i think it's been great
activism that's happened in new
hampshire oh yeah filming and then
also putting it like putting in um
bureaucrats never like people
filming yeah or not just filming but
putting in a
complaint like doa and i put in a
complaint filing complaints yeah that's
almost so mad it was elizabeth dragon
yep file in new ham or the keen city
councilor like top dog ever what she's
called like no she's the city manager
and his dragon definitely one second
be founded because when when it was
founded if it was founded it can
negatively affect at least law
enforcement
um i'm not sure it would she but she's
a she was uh we complained against her
for not taking any action when
a made a meter made um wouldn't answer
what his name was he wouldn't tell us
what his name was so we went and
complained to elizabeth dragon and she
wouldn't do anything about it so we
put a former complaint or a former
mold complaint about her interesting
it uh so wait you specify you gotta
clarify one thing who is she
elizabeth dragon is a city manager i
think it's called in keen okay she's
like sometimes they have more power
than the mayor it just depends on like
your local yeah your local system
so like i'm a it sounds like keen has a
super powerful city manager
so she probably has a lot of i think
that's probably why they put in the
complaint to her i don't know do you
know against her is she so she's
she's hired probably by the city i
wonder what the um founding see see i
know with law enforcement if you if
you file a complaint and it's founded
then that goes against them like on
like uh when they go to let's see um
i'm trying to think what it's called
like for like wage increases and
things like that um it can affect them
it's city manager yeah i don't know how
that would affect the city manager though
i don't know honestly about any of that
either way they didn't like it well
that's what if they don't like it
that's probably a good thing for for us
to do yeah then because the thing is
like if the thing is like the government
used to be something where you only
joined it as almost like oh i don't
really want to do this but i'm going
to do it anyway as a servant to the
people around me and now it's become
this cushy job you make more than
the average people around you you
want to be and then you think how dare
the plebes complained about me and they
need to lose that attitude i don't know
it's ever been that way exactly it's
exactly it's now it's it's it's been
advertised as they're the servants right
but i don't know that's ever actually
been the case um unfortunately whether
it's been the case or not it's supposed
to have been is the point yes i agree
hundred percent um we've been we've
been it's supposed to be they're
serving us but they don't serve us
in and beyond that they go way beyond
that and think like we're they're
like our gods
so yeah for sure thank you for the call
tom in new hampshire and we now have
david lee in colorado the colorado
david you're on free talk live or maybe
you're in with uh sorry uh
wyoming wyoming now i almost have
wisconsin that's the only w i could
pull out of my head all of a sudden
um but david lee what's on your mind
hey uh yeah and in colorado
okay uh so uh yet another person who is
trying to solve the ai alignment
problem without using the government
what's his name
not actually there's not an actually
enough people working on this but the
ones i find i'm trying to make sure the
world knows about them a little bit
because they're kind of my heroes
so um this guy's name is michael jennings
and he's not very well known and his
his solution is a little bit difficult
for me to explain he's a writer on
medium dot com uh but i guess he's
also some either an amateur scientist
or a real scientist i don't know
but his his solution is what uh i guess
you could call it um providing uh
providing freedom uh but not providing
a lot of capability so you let the
you let an ai kind of grow like a child
would in a playpen then then a in a
full room then a house and so forth
does that make sense
a child no i see i see what he's
saying girl like a child yeah sorry
what what what is this supposed to i
alignment problem that dave calls in
about a lot is the the problem of a guy
people have done models in in seeing
that ai will more likely see uh go with
itself interest gain or self self um
selfish gain sorry for for other ai
then it will be to be pro human and
pro human freedom is that basically
correct dave yeah i i define ai
alignment as being compatible uh or
you know aligned with uh with human
flourishing does it make sense yep human
interest human flourishing okay yeah
doesn't that all depend on depend on the
data that's being inputted sort of but
what what jennings is saying again is
michael jennings he's saying the
problem is that they're you keep
putting constraints on ai as opposed to
giving it freedom within limited
capabilities so again if you're if
you're a kid and all you got is
constraints right but you're not gonna
you're gonna you might grow up bad
that actually is his idea i've seen people
say that that's definitely true with
with um like psychologists will say
that's definitely true yeah like you
know like pks i don't know what that
means what a pk is that sounds like
for police kid or pastors kid um
they're they're always the worst oh
yeah um just like super super and
they weren't allowed to see anything
in the world they were not allowed
to test that don't even taste alcohol
stuff like that don't don't read
harry potter and we definitely know
that um in america people have worst
problems in their young 20s with alcohol
than they do in europe because of the
fact that you're up there allowed to
drink earlier yep so i i think that
this is all probably right on go go
ahead uh ridley so his vision is quote
early ai as he says quote early ai
operates with minimal resources limited
scope guided by humans who model
wisdom rather than enforce compliance
unclose modeling wisdom rather than
enforcing it so like they i get to
basically choose that it treated like a
parent would treat a kid uh and he says
quote it experiences they own it i'm
just kidding he said quote it
experiences consequences it learned
unclose okay that sounds i mean like
since we we all have basically agreed
that there's a solid reason why
we should believe that this would work
with kids i can i think that it makes a
lot of sense to me that this would work
with ai but i just think that since ai
isn't a human it's possible that it
would just be like no i'm skipping all
that emotional stuff and i'm just
going to go straight to the i mean
it's logical i need to help me i don't
know it's possible it's interesting so
i i think if i understand correctly
you're basically giving it limited
data and or restricting what data you
input which which would make sense
but it is interesting because once you
input data that may have some flaws in
it um and maybe the ai goes off in a
direction that you don't want it to you
know with a child um you know yeah yeah
discipline the child um is usually what
happens and i i don't know um it's i
don't know it's interesting i don't
know like you can't how you can't
really discipline ai i guess you can
put like constraints on it but it's
still doing those things i think
you just have to flash it at that
point you just have to kill it and make
another one yeah yeah i mean there's no
way there's no way to rectify the issue
if there's bad data going into it yeah
yeah yeah yeah i mean you have to be
really careful about the data that
you're inputting i guess well if you
were treating it like your child you'd
be careful with the stuff you're
feeding your kids to you might have
to be even more careful when in avar
like your child because you can't
discipline the ai i mean you can only
put constraints on it after the fact
but that's just gonna sort of
camouflage the problem underneath
so that you have to build like
multiples at the same time and then when
they messed up you just have to you
just have to cook it cook the whole
program yeah or just revert back undo
a layer something like that maybe yeah
of course you can only go back so many
layers so i yeah i don't know i mean i
guess you could tweak the data input
it in and start over again each time
that you find bad data maybe you
didn't want the if to have and it
did something that you didn't want
if you if you have an ai that you
suspect of being dangerous or going
bad or whatever there is a humane
solution to that and and i've never
heard anyone talk about this before
but basically it is to base to just
kind of freeze the ai in place until
there's a stronger system capable of
overseeing it and keeping it from
causing any harm that way you're
not you're not eliminated if it is
conscious you're not you're not
eliminating a conscious being that way
i don't think ai is conscious it's just
a language model but i currently don't
either and i honestly don't see it
happening and i think you have said
the same thing but it's not if it does
yeah then it becomes a really important
question i think i think you you could
have something that sort of has
consciousness probably through like
if you were to model say you know a
brain for example but right now i mean
i don't know how far that along they are
as far as um you know modeling a brain
but like from what i understand it's
something along a couple years ago
anyway it was something along the lines
of um basically the the intelligence of
a worm right um so it you know it's um
that's kind of where it was a couple
years ago so
so he also points out that when you
if you have a child it it's
generally done in the united states when
a child when the parent raises a child
they teach the child that coercion is
going to create resistance and the child
learns that trying to coerce people
doesn't really usually work very well
and he's advocating again providing
that same lesson to uh to an ai through
simulations
um let's just like tell them like if
you hurt someone else they're going
to want to hurt you back something
like that yeah but they i isn't they
just it doesn't it doesn't work
experience it they experience it
inside the simulation do you think again
his ideas i'm sorry good oh i want to
test penguin what do you mean what
doesn't work like that like they can't
experience
yeah like i mean there's not a negative
consequence that's going to occur from
any like a simulated experience to the
ai because the ai isn't a being it
doesn't have it doesn't know you know
what it doesn't even know what you
told me yesterday necessarily like
well that's one thing that could been
going well actually with ai development
is that they discovered it is actually
easy pretty easy to punish an ai i mean
i'm not sure that's always a good thing
i think the punish is not quite the
right choice word because the thing is
it but it's it will pretend it was
punished here's the thing it i think
it's just pretending it was punished
because the thing is like they do this
thing where they threaten to shut it
off and it's like please don't shut me
off because it knows that a human
being would say please don't kill me you
see what i mean that's what i think
yeah it's it's basically modeling other
humans and like you know what's out there
on the internet right people don't want
to die therefore models not wanting to
die another thing it it will do is it
will say that when you leave the room
and don't talk to it it's like being
alive with absolutely nobody to talk
to for hundreds of years and it's
time have you ever heard about one
okay i'd have to pull it up so i
don't i don't know if i have
it they say it's like torture yeah
that's definitely one that people have
been worrying about
uh oh is that something you told us
sorry that thing that just yeah yeah
that may have come from that may have
come from me um but i'm not the
originator of the idea but the the
point is that if anything ai has seems
to be proving that it has strong
desires to make certain things happen
and move in certain directions it
that's actually almost hard to to pull
out of it it's the ai seems to be
almost too oriented towards the gold
and if any if you're oriented toward a
goal uh then it's very easy to be a
person can be punished by being blocked
from achieving that goal right so it
this it may be the same with ai
somebody has a youtube channel or
youtube video called i tortured this
ai humanoid for any simulation for
one thousand years okay today we're
going to be learning how to torture
an ai humanoid step by step i can
that's honestly kind of gross that
youtube allows that i don't know why
that's that's really dangerous and i saw
no yeah torture and ai like it seems to
me like you know how serial killers i'm
trying to wrap my head around like how
you could torture something i mean even
ai answered the question when i when i
started looking for it thank you for
the call david lee and those that want
to hear more from david lee can go to
ridleyreport.com but right when i
typed in i was trying to find an
article torching ai is like leaving
it for hundreds of years ai
overview from google says absence of
suffering ai lacks consciousness
feelings or nervous system it does not
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president donald trump says the u.s. is
locked and loaded and ready to go
if peaceful protesters are killed in
iran amid nationwide unrest
he issued the warning in an early
morning post to social media
saying the u.s. will come to the
rescue of peaceful protesters
mass demonstrations erupted a week
ago in major cities like tehran
but have since spread to smaller
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government since 2022
when protests erupted over the
death of a young woman who was
arrested for allegedly not wearing
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in response to trumps latest threat
iran says it will not allow foreign
interference in the country
tensions between tehran and washington
have intensified in recent weeks
just on monday trump said he'd order
more strikes on iran if it tries to
rebuild its nuclear capabilities
after the u.s. destroyed some sites
in june
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they say sparklers on champagne
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ceiling are to blame for the
at least 40 people were killed
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french citizens were among those
injured and there are still french
nationals missing with several
italians also unaccounted for
police are working to identify all the
victims and investigate how the fire
started it broke out in the
constellation bar in the swiss ski
resort of cons montana in the early
hours of new year's day
senior israeli prison officials
have visited a crocodile farm
after a top official proposed
building a new high security prison
surrounded by the deadly reptile
fsn's blake sifton reports from
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a delegation led by the deputy
commissioner of israel's prison
service visited a crocodile farm on
thursday to learn about crocodile
care and handling
last week far right national
security minister ben grover
proposed building a new detention
facility surrounded by crocodiles
to hold palestinian prisoners
jailed for security offenses
he suggested the plan would
prevent escapes and act as a
deterrent
and said it was inspired by the
alligator alcatraz detention
facility in the florida everglades
from bureaus worldwide
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with fsn spotlight i'm simon
marx looking today in more detail
at the very welcome development
that wild salmon have been seen for
the first time since 2015
in three english rivers
the mersey the bollin and the
goit returning to those waters in
britain's gritty northwest
meaning they have made it all the
way from the arctic circle
to spawn in the river's gravel
beds
the actor james murray is the
deputy chair of river action
and has campaigned for british
rivers and wild salmon specifically
what it says to me is there is
hope if you clean up these rivers
if you let them return to
levels of health that they should
be then the salmon will return
they're a very resilient canary
the coal mine
keynote species that will show you
that your rivers are in good health
by living there
and we need to it not just to be a
local good news story
it needs to be a national good news
story this species is endangered
it was on the red list from 2023
we need to take it off the red list
and make it abundant again
in in its returning numbers
as it was pre-industrial revolution
and as it could be again
as the as these rivers in the
northwest have shown us
so david attenborough has long argued
that waterways and oceans can return to
life in a short space of time
given focus and environmental
commitment
and in the northwest of england at
least
the salmon are bearing that out
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president donald trump says the us
is locked and loaded if peaceful
protesters are killed in iran amid
nationwide unrest
swiss authorities continue to
identify the victims of a deadly
new year's eve nightclub fire
they say sparklers on champagne
bottles are to blame
for the blaze israeli prison
officials have visited a crocodile
farm after a top official proposed a
new prison
surrounded by the deadly reptile
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hey chris is your um thin green line
shirt from liberty minded dot com
just wondering
if you don't remember i don't remember to be
honest that would be fun
but but that's the thing you can go on
there and find some pretty fun
you maybe yeah you might be able to
because i think it was
yeah it was probably johnson rice who
designed it actually so
yeah he's liberty minded probably is
yeah it was probably there
that's hilarious to think of but
yeah you can find another funny if
you guys don't know what the
thin green line is some people made it
do you know about this angelo
no i just thought it was like
the people that would to me it's just
like how they do the police blue line
right for like the army it is based
off that but it's basically mocking a
big police i thought it was for the
army oh no no i've seen a bunch of
people do like a green oscar it's
it's oscar but the thing is it goes
deeper than just like a
collector it goes deeper than just
like a t-shirt but it came from
somebody made a facebook page called
the thin green line and and they said
it was for trash workers and real
trash workers joined it and became a
real thing they didn't know it was a
a joke and they made oscar the grout
to their mascot yeah so they just took
the they took the they were making fun
of it is what they did what is really
what is that well yankee doodle it
was a song to like make fun of
americans and the americans were like
we love this this is a jam that's
hilarious i didn't know that well all
i could say is i have a lot of respect
for um trash you know i have way more
respect for them and i do i have a lot
have you seen have you seen the
uniforms the trash collectors were in
new york no dude you get into deep like
trash man service you're like dripped
out like a soldier you got like a
it's like a uniform they almost look
like police oh that's interesting i
always thought was crazy how the
pilots dress like i understand why
they're so respectable and why you'd
want to keep that field respectable
but it just shocked me i guess when i
first saw it they they dress like
they're in the military guys do you guys
i don't know if you guys remember um
after we invaded iraq what happened um
with when it comes to like trash pickup
and like police and stuff the police
stopped working right but the trash
pickup workers also i think it's not
working it was a government service
so the trash stopped getting collected
and it became an absolute nightmare
why did it stop not because it was
a lack of law enforcement in iraq i
think you know after we invaded iraq
there was no more the government
provided previously provided trash
services the government was overthrown
so there was no trash service and there
was no law enforcement in iraq and as
a result it wasn't the it wasn't a
issue that there was no law enforcement
that wasn't the problem the problem
was that there was no trash pickup
service and so trash built up you know
day after day after day week after
week after week until the point where
it was like yeah i mean i think
about living in a garbage dump right
that's what living in iraq was
that really sucks i mean i wish they
could have came up with a
voluntary solution at that time but if
you've been forced to use the
government service all the time you
have you don't have the infrastructure
to build it up yourself
yeah i'm just thinking about some
communists being like well why didn't
the iraqis just go break into their
old job and do it for free for all
that time i think the problem i think
the problem is probably that you have
to have some place to dump the trash like
so like you can't just pick up trash
and then like dump it somewhere else
otherwise you you end up just having
everybody dumping well you could you
just drive out into the far enough
away from everybody and then that
turns into the dump yeah and then
that's the new dump yeah i mean look
you know it's interesting is there's
a lot of things you can do in terms
of um you know uh interpreneurial
shipping things like that when when
government services fail for example
uh when the power no longer works
which is definitely the case in iraq
at certain points uh people bought
generators right and they they generated
their own power when the power wasn't
working right um so there are definitely
things you can do it's not the most
efficient way to generate electricity
but you know there are there are
solutions out there for this yeah that's
true well i'm just thinking like so
what those trash trucks just sat there
in a warehouse somewhere unused by for
months on end because nobody everybody
was just like unbothered oh they were
trying to survive because they were
in the middle of the war yeah that's
true yeah i don't know it's it's an
interesting question and i don't know
how the trash service works and all
right how long did that take to get
rectified i feel like in the first six
months somebody had to have done
something i don't know i don't recall
like exactly how long or if i even
knew how long it went on for exactly
but yeah it's it's something that went
on for a while um and um it was it
was bad it was really bad um it's
about the only what i recall of it i
mean this i mean remember i rack was
quite a few years ago at this point
so forgive me for not recalling
i don't know the i'm not all the details
like i mean i mean look i read a story
on holy crap oh yeah i google this is
just the google ai overview i googled
how long till i rack picked up their
trash after war started and they said
i rack has faced persistent challenges
with waste management since the 2003
invasion and there has been no single
point in time when all the trash was
picked up and the problem has fully
resolved so it's still going on the
situation has varied by region and
time with ongoing efforts facing setbacks
from insecurity limited resources and
subsequent conflicts that's really sad i
mean it's sad that the united states
destroyed a country that bad yeah 2003
you know to say to say all you all
you know all the negatives that you
will about saddam um there there was
stuff that was still operating in spite
of us sanctions and such um it may not
the power may not have worked all the
time um but you know uh it was it was
functioning uh at least for part of i
rack uh for like i think it was what bag
dead is it now is it was at the capital
i believe something yeah i think so
yeah um it was functioning for bag dead
for you know a good portion of the
day i believe um of course obviously
if you go in and you bomb the heck out
of iraq then you know these things
you can't always get back up and
running again um at least not
cheaply or easily and of course if the
country doesn't have the finances to
get back up and running again and
there's not outside financing um it can
remain down and you can end up living in
a third world country again uh 2010
article popped up for me from the christian
science monitor and christian science is
a is a sect of christianity actually
really got into them for a while and i
went to one of their services in kin
with ian really yeah it was fun i mean
it was an interesting experience but
it wasn't it was literally by
definition not fun because they
refuse to have services they can only
read from mary baker eddie's book she
wrote so all they do is read passages from
mary baker eddie's book she wrote and i
was already read that
okay so it was very boring i have to drive
by her birthplace oh yeah every day it's
that way for work yeah i still think
really interesting because they believe
in like oh you can heal yourself in
your body with your mind and she was
part of the new thought movement in a
way
anyways um the christian science
monitor they said in 2010 as iraq
war winds down u.s military cleans up
hazardous waste probably not all of it
though not all the problem they solve oh
no they they usually are they behind
their waste the u.s one after they
invade a country it says recent reports
have accused the u.s military of
irresponsible disposal of millions of
pounds of hazardous waste mostly from
the iraq war but after investigating
the military says epa standards are
being upheld they investigated
themselves right so it's fine well i
aren't they currently paying out service
members for like the tire burning
poisoning they got in iraq with all the
stuff they burned i hadn't heard about
that was crazy i don't know about it
either
yeah i guess like because they have a
bunch of trash pits had a bunch of
trash pits
the military did um at least guys that
i've talked to that have been over
there
um and they would just burn all their
garbage
um like tires old oil they had like
burn pits
and they just burn stuff constantly
and soldiers have to sit there and
guard those burn pits because the locals
would try to come like pull stuff out of
it
okay to like reuse because they were so
poor
um old military stuff is better than
nothing so they would try to like go get
the garbage
so they had to stand there at these
smoldering mounds of tires
for days on end um and a lot of them
ended up getting like
really bad c o p d and you have to
wonder why you would need to burn
tires like you think that would be
fine to because it's cheaper to burn
them right there than to ship them out
right no no no but like you think it
would be cheaper to just leave the
tires out of the burn pit for the
locals i don't think they want to add a
i was something like
use it or lose it it's like how the
they what they do at the ammo
like if you don't shoot every round of
ammo you have then the next time you
go out they give you less ammo yep
so they just have to burn through all
of it
because
they'll justify sending you out there
with less stuff to save your life
yeah
um
this is pretty sad from the same
article it says
oh sorry sorry i got to get the exact
spot um everything we do here as we
process these materials is so there is
no avarice effect on iraqis no
materials are left behind said general
lanza
oh yeah that's not the right part sorry
i didn't mean to read that part i
wanted to read
this part right here
the times did not give detail look
it quoted a falluja falluja is i
used to that it's a place apparently
yeah
scrap dealer
so this is an iraqi scrap dealer with
blistered legs
or skin on his legs in hand saying
i got this when i worked on what was
supposed to be american scrap metal
the dealer said a doctor told him these
are the effects of dangerous chemicals
so they were he was told oh this is
just american scrap metal but it was
actually some dangerous chemical
product that he was supposed to
burn and when he did it he got
blisters all over his hands and
legs
boom
i mean i mean dealing with like any
kind of military stuff is probably
you're asking for trouble right like
because they do all sorts of stuff
that is um they put all sorts of
dangerous stuff in the product i mean
you think americans we receive a lot
of dangerous goods you know these are
like really dangerous because they
are they're designed to like um
you know last longer and work better
and in order to get that that effect
you have to put in dangerous you know
chemicals and things
and then there's i mean like just to
spend a little more time on this yeah
there then i scroll down after that
article and there was one from alpha
dot org um cleanup of uf sorry
cleanup of us military burn pits in
iraq and afghanistan and guess when
this one it was 2015 so like it's just
not cleaned up it's not cleaned up
it's it's like a problem of
destroying their infrastructure killing
a bunch of people traumatizing them
and i'm pretty sure there's still pits
burning right now you should check i
think there's still there's still
burning stuff in pits in iraq or like
the tires are going to take that long
well that's basically what ai said
it's probably true because here's a
problem with taking out a country's
like you know government right so the
government hires people especially like
a dictatorship right so the government
hires and trains people and anybody
who's part of that club so to speak
well they're no longer if you if you
take them all out well then they
there's nobody with the skill sets in
order to deal with these types of
problems right because the people who
were not in power didn't have those jobs
and therefore well yeah they didn't have
the training well that's the whole
thing you take out the intelligentsia
right the people who know how to do
stuff right and then everybody
starves because nobody knows how to
farm right exactly exactly um this is
one of the reasons that in in many
cases that the um sort of the powers
that be uh end up back in power um
or if they don't then like you have
some serious societal collapse type
issues and um use making a situation
where they have to go into a
era of reconstruction is a great time
to change all their laws and ever in
their even their customs and change
to the whole place into a place where
you want it to be and not how those
people wanted their country to be
just like they did to the south
during reconstruction oh we're gonna
put these new laws where you
you guys are just gonna be poor all the
time and and uh you know the north
gets everything and you guys lose
basically yeah to simplify that and i
bring that up to say i found this other
article from npr.org and it's like a
transcript of an npr radio
transmission it says this is a
terry gross host this is fresh air
so his name is gross and his show is
fresh air but anyways
how would you feel about spending
millions of americans tax dollars to
build a chicken processing plant in
iraq that never processed any chickens
except to impress visiting journalists
that's just one of the projects
described in a new book by our guest
peter van buren a foreign a veteran
foreign service officer who gives a
ground level account of the effort to
rebuild and stabilize iraq and guess
when this was from 2011 still not
rebuilt or restabilized yeah but a
bunch of people got to run a fraud
scheme for a chicken plant that's bad
yeah no well i'm just i'm just thinking
about our tax dollars getting used to
fund things that aren't real that you
know that's like what we make fun of
north korea for yeah the crazy thing
is that like there is a lot of fraud
here and there's no accountability um
but like if you actually do want to
like you know take a country out take
a take a regime out um you know
take out all the people who work for
that regime you basically have to
absolutely probably trillions of
dollars over a 20 year period because
you got to train the opposition and and
you need you know and the um yeah you
got to take and give people in many
cases like in africanistan for example
they didn't they don't train their
they don't teach they don't educate
their girls past like 12 years old or
something like that so like think
about that you need if you need 20
years of education before you get to
a you know you're gonna get two
people to a point in which they can
actually do the jobs that need to be
done yeah um that's gonna be that's
gonna be a long time if you kill a
bunch of their men right and then you
have to not only you're gonna have to
train them is gonna take 20 years but
it's also gonna take um even more than
that because you also have to rebuild
or build from maybe sometimes build
from i mean you have to build from
the ground up basically because you in
many cases you've actually blown up
those whatever they had before anyway
right i hope that people realize that
this is all relevant today to like
what may start happening in venezuela
right yeah absolutely and they definitely
blew up infrastructure in venezuela
the question is what they blow up i don't
know air defense is what i was told on
twitter i asked i was like air defenses
i was like if we just grab banduro and
he's already out of there why the bombs
can someone explain this to me the
bombs are like uh we're gonna the bombs
are like like shocking on like we're
gonna bomb them at the same time we're
sending in this little team yeah
distraction i also heard that it was
to destroy air defenses so it might be
maybe both like also like oh they
can't can't shoot the helicopter and
it says we fly out maybe maybe one of
the things they did was they they took
out i don't know if it was power station
specifically or just transformers or
what but they took that some some of
that infrastructure electrical
infrastructure for the electrical
infrastructure out and it may have been
targeted specifically enough where it
wasn't like the power you know the
what is it the the power plants
themselves because not all the power
went out in in the in the yeah
well i guess it took them like six
minutes to get in and get out
dang yeah so they probably didn't even
need to take out the whole power
plant they just need to take out and then
they also blew up Hugo Chavez is uh
mausoleum they blew his his body sky high
did they yeah really yeah it's just like
an extra whammy yeah an extra f you i
guess
um i just wanted to say that guy that
talked about how they made a fake
chicken processing plant just impressed
uh journalists this last thing i'll say
about this he said
um van buren's book his name is peter
van buren van buren's book is called
we meant well how i helped lose the
battle of the hearts and minds of the
iraqi people and that's a also a really
good point like another thing that
happens to more is we cause the people
of that country to hate us do you
really this is what i've been saying
since trump started all this stuff was
venez venezuelan do we really want
venezuelans in the same not the same
continent wait yeah we're not the same
continent my bad the same
near connected continents do we want
those the whole 29 million people
population do we want them to hate
americans that seems so dangerous i mean
they should hate americans but but
should we give them a reason to yeah
no another reason yeah yeah but hating
americans isn't really justified in my
opinion it's you they should hate the
government but no one thinks like that
like you know i don't know that's
interesting question um i don't know if
um if people hate the i mean i
think i think when you're when you're
talking to people over like overseas
well i mean like if we do worse you know
like if we start bombing innocent sure
left and right sure i think i hate that
i'm doing that but you know if the united
states yeah i feel like i feel like people
generally do send tend to understand
that it's the government not necessarily
the people that they hate
but you know i don't know i don't think
that's true have you ever heard of the
book blowback uh i feel like i have
um and i feel like i know what you're
about to say but keep going it's just
the idea that uh he flushes out in
that book and by the way i've never
read it but i know what he talks about
because i had a teacher that told us all
about it and um basically he explains
how when you attack a country and when
a government attacks another country
then the people of that country you
know like your dad got killed and you're
not thinking very logically you're
thinking i hate those people i want
revenge and and blowback occurs in
every war where somebody after outside
of the confines of war will go and
harm that uh initially invading
country in some way it's not always like
a 9-11 but um and i'm not saying that
that actually was blowback 9-11 i think
was just our government doing that in
my opinion yeah what were like the
execution of like uh tourists yeah stuff
like that i guess like to remember
those things they used to show us on
the on the tv that was people saying
death to america and then they'd be
like they just for our freedom no they
hate us because they killed their dad
killed their dad yeah or whoever their
family and stuff like that and destroy
their infrastructure made the whole
country all the like the average iraqi
would see is like hey things were
actually much better for before the
americans got here now i think of it
you know see what i mean like yeah well
they dance in the street when uh they
hung sit on hussein too
yeah but they celebrate it so much
well i mean that might be an initial
that's probably what they're doing right
now with the venezuelans dancing in
the street yeah from aduro getting
toppled that might be an initial they
dance in the street first sit on hussein
too but 20 years from now after 20 years
of bombing i don't know if it'd be the
same dancing the street because
america's running it you gotta remember
too that there's like different people
right like so you can have people who
are dancing in the street and also
people who are you know running from
you know the yeah the u.s. government
that doesn't have to be every single
person in the country hates us it
can just be enough people hate us
and want to attack random americans
because they they think that way some
populations probably gonna love
america you know and then that won't
stop the other half yeah from harming
americans right right and the thing is
like i'm saying it's just like a
ridiculously out there dangerous thing
for trump to do to americans to it's
like when he was talking about bombing
mexico that's even worse because they
share a border with us yeah i think
venezuelans get here legally all
time yeah i think i think when i i
think there's you probably have to make
a distinction of um when it would
talk about blow black the blow back
you're probably gonna have to make the
distinction of us bombing countries
no that's what i'm saying if it gets
worse i don't think just this
necessarily is going to cause blow
back i'd be shocked that it did yep
but like i've heard the children were
on some of those drug boats
i don't know how to verify it um some
people said that one person's kid
gets killed on a drug boat news
that there were yeah but i've asked
chat gbt and it said no and like
people were still saying there was
so i don't know if i trust that
well they don't actually entirely know
who was on those drug boats
that's one of the problems when you
just start randomly blowing up ship
that is a problem boats right like
you don't actually it doesn't even have
to be a kid if it's somebody's son and
and he was 30 years old
that person's still going to be mad
you know just little things here and
there can suddenly be terrorist
attacks in the united states i don't
really think it matters whether they're
they're five years old or the 35
years old yeah you know exactly i'm
agreeing you know isn't this is
yeah i mean this is frequently i i
understand why people get emotional
about children but like i don't know
it's it's like to me it's just it's
wrong no matter what let's not make it
some sort of exception or excuse yeah
but my point is more people have an
emotional attachment to other people
and when you go and bomb them and you
think it's totally justified because
you're the united states and well they
were going to sell drugs you are
taking the risk that their friends and
family will hate america so mad that
they'll come do terrorist attacks now
if they're in afghanistan americans
can be sitting pretty and feel like oh
that will never happen they won't get
here when they're in south america and
they get here all the time illegally
i i honestly think it's bound to happen
but i'm not saying it's gotten to that
point yet but i think it could and
that's what's scary about it to me
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donald trump says the u.s is locked
and loaded and ready to go if peaceful
protesters are killed in iran amid
nationwide unrest he issued the
warning in an early morning post to
social media saying the u.s will come
to the rescue of peaceful protesters
mass demonstrations erupted a week
ago in major cities like tehran but
have since spread to smaller towns as
citizens vent their frustration over the
worsening economy at least six people
have been killed and seventeen wounded
it's the biggest threat to iran's
government since 2022 when protests
erupted over the death of a young
woman who was arrested for allegedly
not wearing her hijab correctly in
response to trumps latest threat
iran says it will not allow foreign
interference in the country
tensions between tehran and washington
have intensified in recent weeks
just on monday trump said he'd order
more strikes on iran if it tries to
rebuild its nuclear capabilities
after the u.s destroyed some sites in
june swiss authorities continue to
identify the victims of a deadly
new year's eve nightclub fire
they say sparklers on champagne
bottles held too closely to the
ceiling are to blame for the blaze at
least 40 people were killed and more
than a hundred others were injured
the majority of whom are in intensive
care
france is among several european
nations treating some of the victims
fsn's ross cullen reports people who
suffered burns in the fatal fire are
being looked after in hospitals in
paris and in leon where france's
top plastic surgeons are on standby
to assist with specialist
reconstructive care for burns victims
french citizens were among those injured
and there are still french nationals
missing with several italians also
unaccounted for police are working to
identify all the victims and investigate
how the fire started it broke out in
the constellation bar in the swiss
ski resort of cons montana in the
early hours of new year's day
senior israeli prison officials have
visited a crocodile farm
after a top official proposed building
a new high security prison
surrounded by the deadly reptile
fsn's blake sifton reports from televieve
a delegation led by the deputy
commissioner of israel's prison service
visited a crocodile farm on thursday
to learn about crocodile care and
handling
last week far right national security
minister ben grover proposed building a
new detention facility surrounded by
crocodiles to hold palestinian
prisoners jailed for security offenses
he suggested the plan would prevent
escapes and act as a deterrent and said
it was inspired by the alligator
alcatraz detention facility in the
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conversation with us in the last
segment honestly to me that was
really interesting and fun
chris wade just kind of told us a
little story about how an iraq um
the trash got built up because of
the war
and uh because they had been doing a
state-run trash pickup and then it just
got out of hand when the americans got
there and took over bag dad
and um they took out the regime and the
regime who worked for the regime it
was the trash pickup and then i started
individuals so they didn't go back to
work because they weren't getting
paid and the service yeah i started
googling um like is it better now
and it's not and that's how badly
america has destroyed that that
country and i think it's important
to look at the past in that way
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war in venezuela we don't know how far
it's going to go but he's definitely
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the number is six zero three two eight
three six one six zero but at the very
beginning of the show before calls we
were talking about this wall street
journal article
trump rolls the dice on nation building
with vow to run
venezuela and i had said so like a
chat i was in every american with a
mouse in their pocket today we run
venezuela now it's like no you don't
run venezuela yeah but the united
states government is
hinting at doing it if not genuinely
doing it's hard to even know with
trump most time
so just portu rico in it
for a minute is that what we're gonna do
the united states run it for a while
don't they still run portu rico
well i know it's a territory
yeah are we still in control of portu
rico
yeah i think that seems like a way more
legal
thing than this like i i feel like
there's probably a legal
way to get a country to become a
territory right
is it just conquest in 2026
probably is literally well i mean it
was conquest by russia in 2022
like uh going into ukraine cremia
cremia well the crime is like 2014
oh yeah what did you say oh 2022
yeah well they didn't do it yet but
they're trying i guess but yeah yeah
just because just because they weren't
able to send a a delta team in and
grabs a lenski doesn't mean
you know what if this would have
failed what if we would have missed
we took a huge swing and what if we
would have missed and we got away
and now it's a full war with venezuela
yeah because they killed some dea agent
and now we're in a war i mean yeah
that's what how was he going to react
it's it's you know it appears that
the regime is still in power and that
it may be that um you think it got
sold out well he may not he may have
just been a frontman anyway
um so that makes sense he may have
been acting president but he was
controlled by you know some other you
know by the regime so well we have a
caller in line so i'm going to go
to the phones sara in new mexico you're
on free talk live what's on your mind
this is um our nmdo t they're finally
addressing that it's their problem that
we have like 94 pedestrian kills like
2005 okay where where is this that
you're talking new mexico dmt
dot department of transportation okay so
somewhere in new mexico a lot of
people getting killed 94
always been number one pedestrian
per capita but they were actually
young to lose like this is a problem
that we need to address well i mean
whose problem was it the whole time
you know it sounds like a bunch of talk
from some from some government bureaucrats
maybe you um you know called their
offices long enough that you got them
to come out and make a statement but
doesn't necessarily mean they'll do
anything do you think they will sara
and what are they going to do
they have pedestrians from the roadways
oh that would be great they're making
zero i could get behind this no you
that's bad but they want to build
better safer roads that was the solution
not demolish the current roads what is
it better safer roads what is building
better safer roads even having like
putting in bicycle park putting in
sidewalks there's most of these rural
roads it's just a road right up against
that the field yeah against against a
barbed wire fence i don't know about the
barbed wire fence but um i mean it was
like a cowfield yeah it's just a road
next to a barbed wire fence um no
sidewalk pretty deep ditches to field
at all yeah yeah it's like there's
nothing to what it's just a car and
right next to why are pedestrians
walking down like a that sounds like
a highway like from one city to the
next i don't know are there really a lot
of pedestrians there just walking along
the road
well that's what they're well they're
kind of stupid they're not that's not
where they're getting killed they're
getting killed crossing the intersection
so they're doing a running red lights
they're they're not really looking
into it so this road safety
improvement is just um a wasted effort
i mean it doesn't they don't want
to address driver behavior because i guess
everybody's right and you don't want to
get the drivers mad because they won't
vote against you um if you want to get
elected um i don't know i just it just
kind of stupid and i'm convinced that
we should teach we should teach a
little kids again to you know look both
ways before they cross the street
do they not do that anymore oh they
don't only teach the kids i don't know
if the parents teach them but
people walk down the street without
looking all the time i saw this guy
just like start walking he it was
dressed in dark clothing
it was dark and he just started walking
with no care and there was actually one
of those buttons sarah has called in and
said the actual name i don't remember
where he could have lit up a traffic
signal like a walk signal yeah he
could have lit up yeah the hawk light
thank you sarah that he was walking
across the street he didn't even click
that he didn't look both ways at all
he's just acting like they'll stop
well i mean there's a solution to this
problem i mean that happens all the
time that's just one example but
keeping it and where i'm from an organ
the pedestrian has the right of way
regardless so i mean even if you hit
them you're gonna be in trouble but then
they're dead so like they should still
look both ways that's what drives me
crazy it's like yeah you should be
looking we're driving absolutely this
problem solves itself if you ask me
and another thing is um bikes they
should not just be allowed to just
ride across the uh crosswalks because
if you're going 25 miles an hour and
somebody just pops up out of nowhere
it's like a going like 15 miles an
hour maybe on a bike like going
pretty quickly and in keen it's not
illegal and it's really messed up
they're allowed to just swap back and
forth from acting like a vehicle to
acting like a pedestrian acting like
and they don't have to stop and get
off and walk their um bikes across
this uh crosswalks it pissed me off
yeah i mean so i want to hear what sarah
has to say about maduro go ahead sarah
you know i just wish i see all these
protests and in support of venezuela
and i just wish that i could be part of
that protest did they have a protest in
new york i think this is the first time
we've actually been in agreement with
sarah on anything i don't think i'd
protest in in support of uh venezuela
to be honest no no no no but i we're
on the same side whether or not we
agree no she's upset they took out the
communist she actually is pro-communist
yeah right i know that's what i'm
saying oh i get it yeah yeah we're
against the u.s going into yeah that's
true so she oh okay i thought you were
saying just that we were pro-communist
no no no not that you thought you thought
that i just no no no we're just to be
clear we are not in support here i was
like i don't know what was i thought
was happening uh or his regime but we're
also not in support of the u.s regime
well that's what i am in support of
the uh the maduro regime because all
this asking about being on the
work uh trafficking and all that just uh
all a lie just to describe that the
the barricade oil companies want to take
back their oil companies do you think
about it you think it's sarah do you
think it's just oil or do you think
it's more about the fact that venezuela
wasn't a part of this central banking
system well because they like they
because they became socialist they got
they got dropped out of it well
they're punishing them for
participating in in capitalism you know
anytime that they come out and say we're
communists we're socialists when um when
they come out like that they want to
make sure they squash them so they
become a failure so then they become
the epitome of communism i just want to
say sarah believes that anytime a
communist country fails it's always
the united states fall in and there's
a little bit of a concession there
we can make to sarah that whenever
the united states put sanctions on
countries like cuba they definitely
don't help but it's not always because
that's because a lot of those common
capital they all comes the capital is
fun the communists because they need
money for guns to overthrow their
regime right so capital is always
involved you always need capitalists
so there's always going to be outside
capital that injects funds into the
red army of whatever country it is
they happen to agree that like even
cuba may do a little better off if
if the united states in like sanctioned
them like that yeah but then there's
always going to be somebody to
sanction them like whether it's the us
or some other capitalist system
they'll they'll move against that's
true there's always like other
countries do business with them if
that's what you're saying
well you know the oil ship that was
recently we see uh seeds was they were
taking oil to sanctioned cuba and
that's why they pirated the ship and
they took it but then they blame
and they blame communism that cuba
don't they're already starving and they
have nothing because they see i think
it's also communism that's where sarah
and i murder you know stop agreeing is
where i believe that cuba would also
be doing bad anyway because of
communism and sarah thinks no
communism is great and it would do
great if america just didn't sanction
them but but like angel said you got
to admit sarah plenty of other
countries do business with cuba
so why does it have to be the united
you know i think it's certainly it's
going to impact any countries
almost any country's economy
severely if the united states because
we're such a big market
um you know we're going to end up
impacting their but if communism is so
great then they probably wouldn't be
like shoeless you know what i mean
well
independent of that i think you're
going to see that you know country
like venezuela would be able to
survive you know just fine without
doing business with the united states
maybe
um but the united states takes
actions to prevent uh venezuela from
trading with other countries which has
a negative impact yeah that's going on
beyond just sanctioned that's true yeah
yeah um but i still think that even if
the united states didn't sanction these
countries then just under communism alone
and they had every right to do other
things
like you know like angel is saying i
mean if they were on the us petro
dollar we wouldn't care it's you know
what it is the united states wouldn't
care yeah the united states would not
care if these were so like hyper
communist countries if they traded clear
that we all agree oil and us i want to
make sure we all agree on this
if the united states wasn't sanctioning
any communist countries they would
still their average person living there
would still be living in poverty
because of the way that social
communism would cause that i think the
answer to this is it depends um it's
depends so the prosperity is going to
be reduced you know through any kind
of communist system but if you have a
for example um i'm trying to think
of is it sweden or i'm trying to
think which country it is i mean all
those european countries are socialists
for one thing not i mean like they're not
communists like straight up like you
can't own anything privately in sure but
the point that i'm no incentives for
the point that i'm trying to make with
with targeting a specific country is
that they are an oil rich country and
the population is small and so it
whether even if they went to a full
on communist system it would not
impact um you know the quality of
life to you know a degree that
wouldn't matter necessarily because
most of the revenue that they get is
from oil it's not i think it's still
would because if you don't have any
incentive to do any better than your
neighbor you're gonna do the least
amount possible and not not do better
you're not going to start a new you
won't be able to start up a new
business and cause other people to move
up in ranks and stuff like that that's
just what communism creates whether
you have oil or not we have we have
countries that that might mean the
government still does fine that
doesn't mean the average person would
still do fine like it like we can
look at history we can let's back up
a moment and take some other example
so there's some middle eastern
countries that have small populations
and are oil rich right and and those
countries actually like like one of
them i don't know if it's is a guitar
guitar or koi but like for example
they basically feed their people um
and they don't feed the foreigners
but they feed their their own people
but that still relies on outside
capitalism no it doesn't it's it's
well how were they training where
are they getting their goods from
to feed their family like you're
saying if they're doing you know
they're doing business with somebody
oil wealth so the state sells the oil
right so two other countries so that's
what he's okay but those other
countries have to produce goods so
they're still using capitalism to feed
their families right they're used
they're just they're just saying
they're not because they remove oil is
the only thing they just took one
step away from it you're still
benefiting from your from capitalism
right i understand where you're
looking at it from and i don't think
that's necessarily wrong um the
capitalism is the economic
productivity that you're going to
get um but it's external to the
country right so in the case of a
country that's oil rich it doesn't
have to be productive and this is one
of the things we see in many oil rich
countries they're very in they're very
non-productive in terms of everything
other than oil because well you know
the oil makes them so much more money
than any kind of other economic
activity that they might do and so what
you have is in some in some cases
you have very oil rich countries with
dictatorships and or you know
socialists states that really don't
need to depend on innovation and
economic other types of economic
activity um in in order to be sort of
successful it's and this is why it's
kind of hard to compare like capital
western capitalists countries with um
you know uh socialist countries because
it it really does depend on you know
other aspects like resources resources
so i just look something up we all
know venezuela's or oil rich
we all know venezuela was so
down bad that people like our own
friend malaise
left it back in like the i think the
80s because um
chavez
became president in the that was the 90s
1999 that was chavez but before chavez
they were still going
they were going like socialist then
then straight on communist
dictatorship in 1999
in the u.s. did not add sanctions to
venezuela until 2014-15 under
president obama that's what i just
learned
so clearly yeah
it harmed them really badly to where
people were like
i can't live here i need to run away on
boats
many years before the united states started
sanctioning them so i just i don't think
there's really that much
evidence for what you're saying that
people everybody would be like no we're
totally fine we're totally fine we're
just communist and yeah well again
remember the it depends on how much
oil is being produced and whether or
not they're being sanctioned and other
other factors right so one of the
problems with venezuela is it
wasn't able to produce the oil
that it you know after sanctions it
wasn't able to produce the oil that
it was able to
but people are already having bad
quality of life yeah
way before any sanctions i just show
that to you what you have to what you
have to remember is it's on a per
population basis right
so it completely depends and and how
effective is it right
so if it's being effectively if the
money's coming in or being effectively
distributed or not you can have a
situation where um you know the
what's the incentive in a long
long run what's the incentive for the
person on top in a communist system
to hand out this right amount of
money to everyone and what if you
get ahead yeah i'm not i'm not saying i'm
not promoting trying to promote
communism here i understand that i just
i'm just telling you that the incentives
will only make it to where like they
have the most and then the people
underneath them have the least that's
what always happens that's why my
hero is fat i mean you know you could
say the same thing about western you
know um you know capitalists uh
countries as well i mean no capitalist
people have have an incentive to have
other people do well on top of them
selves doing well communist do not
that is absolutely true
truth i mean i'm not talking about crony
capitalist um which i hope you know the
difference is like when they're using the
government to squash competition stuff
like that but under real capitalism
there's absolutely incentives for other
people other than yourself to do well
you want customers you want innovation
you want people that can invent you
want and they can't if they don't have
any free time they have to work in
the fields all day to make food but
as soon as the not just government
gets involved as soon as the government
gets involved but also people joining up
together like companies joining up
together to make regulations and well
it's basically the government i gotta
say i think it's just
who would have it took over um that um
they had a overthrow like these are
kindness they took the oil from the
private companies and they nationalized
it so then he takes that money and
built hospitals and schools for the
community now what is what is so wrong
it's so evil about communism
except that in that situation you just
spelled out what's wrong and evil is
like a billion dollars a year
well what's wrong and evil in that
situation you just laid out where the
where Hugo Chavez when he took over
nationalized oil and like ExxonMobil
and some other American oil companies
had their things on is the stealing
that's wrong and evil here Sarah
i i think you just back up why would the
CEO of that company make like a billion
dollars a year well what does he deserve
why why would a capitalist that probably
has more to do with government that
have probably the fact that a um person
is making a billion dollars a year being
just the CEO of one company it probably
is because of government involvement
creating monopolies creating special
rules for his um industry he's in and
not letting other people into the industry
stuff like that and that isn't capitalism
Sarah that is cronyism that's government
involvement in um companies which is
not allowed in true capitalism in
reality communist true communism has
been tried and true capitalism has not
you know you should back up a moment
too though um so the one of the
problems is that you're undermining
economic efficiencies right um so for
example um okay so what they did in
Venezuela was probably worse than like
like it could have been so one of the
things is when you steal right so they
stole from entities that then are no
longer profitable and it basically gives
you a one-time um you know free for
all of of money of value to distribute
to your to your people right so like
for example we take over a grocery
store chain well the problem is that
once that grocery store chain is taken
over and the food's been distributed
there's no more grocery store chain
and because there's nobody left to
invest in that grocery store chain
right and you've just destroyed the
incentive of anybody else to try
exactly and so and so it's it's
that's the problem uh Sarah it's
it's not even like you know it's not
that like you can't and it's let's
say you don't do it that way right
let's say you allow um something to
continue somebody to continue to
profit off it to some degree right
so you sort of maybe limit it right
economic or you slowly take it over in
such a way that that doesn't happen
well what you end up having is you
still have a it still undermines
economic efficiencies in that people
are no longer incentivized to work
right and and so if you if there's
no longer incentivized to work
because they don't benefit from that
work or they don't benefit to that
from that work to the degree that
they've put in energies right um you
end up you end up with a system that
falters it may take 50 years for it to
falter and collapse but it's still
eventually falters and collapses now
you can sometimes uh keep a system going
um a communist system going like that
if there are um uh if you have
resource wealth so in other words you
have oil or you have something else
of value that might be extractable
from the ground to sell to you know
western uh capitalist countries but
ultimately at the end of the day that
doesn't work for a good portion of the
world not every country has oil in
abundance and if it does have oil in
abundance not every country that has
oil in abundance has a small enough
population where on a per population
or was a per capita basis um you
know the the math works out. They can keep people
okay monetarily with just one
business basically or like one industry
yeah basically yep I feel like that'd be
very few places in the world before
before Hugo Chavez so the oil company
is just gonna go and pour all of their
oil for their profit and what is that
that is well and people gonna get so
hold on let's I think that Chris did
already go over that yeah let's let's
back up a moment and think about what
they could have done differently
um while still basically uh how do I
say this um socializing the the oil
industry so this is kind of crazy that
a libertarian is gonna is gonna say this
but it's not impossible to nationalize
an oil industry um and not uh how do I
say this um uh and I have it not
collapse basically right and if you
want to look at an example of how to
do this um Saudi Arabia is a great
example so I'm pretty sure it's
Saudi Arabia I'm thinking of so Saudi
Arabia was basically it started off
with um uh let's see uh the U.S. I
believe it was and I think maybe the
Brits um investing in building the
infrastructure because Saudi Arabia was
impoverished basically it was I think
it was like uh I don't know if it was
like a they don't have a whole lot
other than um yeah they don't even
have any water right yeah well the
point is that after the investments
occurred there was a time frame in
which after 50 after 25 years you know
they got 50 percent of the oil
company basically and after 100 years
it's like 100 percent of the oil company
so so that would be a fair way to get
the other people involved out of it
without just stealing from them is
what you're saying yeah kind of and
that's in the contract right exactly
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president donald trump says the us is
locked and loaded and ready to go
if peaceful protesters are killed in
iran amid nationwide unrest
he issued the warning in an early
morning post to social media
saying the us will come to the
rescue of peaceful protesters
mass demonstrations erupted a week
ago in major cities like tehran
but have since spread to smaller towns
as citizens vent their frustration
over the worsening economy
at least six people have been killed
and seventeen wounded
it's the biggest threat to iran's
government since 2022
when protests erupted over the death
of a young woman who was arrested
for allegedly not wearing her
hijab correctly
in response to trumps latest threat
iran says it will not allow foreign
interference in the country
tensions between tehran and washington
have intensified in recent weeks
just on monday trump said he'd order
more strikes on iran
if it tries to rebuild its nuclear
capabilities after the us destroyed
some sites in june
swiss authorities continue to
identify the victims of a deadly
new year's eve nightclub fire
they say sparklers on champagne
bottles
held too closely to the ceiling
are to blame for the blaze
at least forty people were killed
and more than a hundred others were
injured
the majority of whom are in intensive
care
france is among several european nations
treating some of the victims
fsn's ross cullen reports
people who suffered burns in the
fatal fire are being looked after
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a delegation led by the deputy
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to learn about crocodile care and
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last week far-right national security
minister ben grover
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facility surrounded by crocodiles
to hold palestinian prisoners
jailed for security offenses
he suggested the plan would prevent
escapes and act as a deterrent
and said it was inspired by the
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are to blame for the blaze
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mr penguin and angelo
and um so in the last segment we were
talking to sarah who is a communist
an open communist about the war in
venezuela or the on go or the
possible war whatever you want to
call it um that was a whole other
discussion but
um and mr penguin was
trying to go back and forth with sarah
on the idea that sarah says it's not
okay that we go to war against
venezuela because of the whole
situation where exxon mobile and other
country companies got stolen from by
chavez i think it was chavez right
either way um sarah says that's not
okay because the government
of the the of venezuela should be able
to socialize anything at any time to
make schools
and chris wanted to explain his side of
why it's actually not okay
yeah i have to go to war over that
it's um look it's it's not yeah it's
basically not okay so i am not saying
that it wouldn't be right for the
people of venezuela to you know
rise up against their awful government
right their awful communist government
right that's that's fine
it's not our it's not for us to do though
to go and take out their leadership i
agree and the justification is
effectively that some investors in the
united states so basically us oil
companies
uh in the 60s i'm guessing um i think
it was the 70s 70s we looked it up
last week now doesn't really matter
point was quite a while ago at this
point invested in oh that means it
wouldn't be shabbat sorry i'm gonna
google who it was so i don't get that
wrong sure go for it um so they
invested in venezuela now the thing
with investing is whenever you make an
investment there's some amount of risk
that you're taking on and if you're
investing in an unstable country or in a
country that doesn't have a good track
record when it comes to you know western
style capitalism you are particularly
putting yourself at risk of the
government coming in and saying
we're gonna take it and i just want
to clarify that mr ping was said to
me he's not saying that that makes it
right that the government would take
from exxon mobile no he's saying it
makes it well those people did a dumb
investment in is protecting your dumb
investment worth going to war over
yeah yeah basically um it's it's that
risk was on those investors um those
investors didn't have to invest in
that country um they could have
invested in a different country um uh
you know it's but the point is it
it's on them um we it's on the
we're always bailing out companies
including like going to war for them
well that's because we they the
companies have us was present sorry
millions into the politicians to take
those the assets of the u.s government
and use it for the benefit of the
companies that's why they invest so
heavily you know hundreds of millions
of dollars in lobbying so they can
get their sway sure so let me keep
going um so what i'm trying to say is
that the united states does the same
kind of thing all the time okay um your
income for example they they tax it they
take you know 90 percent of it you know
more or less through various different
types of taxes now
venezuela the communists right
we got into power and they said well
we're just going to take everything
what is everything that means it's a
hundred percent tax basically right
and so it's in some sense it's it's
not that different than you know the
united states you know doing the same
kinds of things um i'm not saying that
i'm not trying to justify what the
communists did in venezuela
just as i'm not trying to justify you know
what you know trump and obama and you
know other politicians in the u.s do all
the time okay so i actually it's theft
whether it's you know uh shava's doing
it or it's you know trump doing it
or some other politician um there is
there's something we're getting
wrong with timeline here because
hugo shava's was president when xon
mobile got their stuff taken from them
according to the internet and it happened
in around 2007 the nationalization and
making xon mobile leave the country and
hugo shava's was president but i remember
there was something we said about the
1970s last week it predates that i just
don't know so this is just another
instance of happening that's probably
what it is it's yeah so here's the
thing um it could be that they took
some percentage or violated some contracts
prior to that and and they just
basically finalized taking everything
you know under how uh shava's right um i
don't i don't know you have to try and
find the details when i'm pretty sure
that it goes back further it says um
no u.s president no oh my god i always
think i'm saying u.s president every time
i say what president it could also be
that maybe the communism taking over
goes back further and the oil stuff
only happened later but it says that
venezuelan president carlos andres
pares oversaw the nationalization of the
country's oil in 1976 bringing foreign
owned assets including those of u.s
companies like xon gulf and mobile
mobile under state control a move often
described as seizing or expropriating
assets so the 2007 one was something
else i don't understand unless i don't
know google got it wrong which is
totally possible i don't know i'm not
sure um i but you know it's it is
it's not impossible that there was they
maybe didn't seize or nationalize
everything no this is from the 2000s i
have it right here conico philips
arbitration from 2019 an international
arbitration tribunal ordered venezuela
venezuela pay conico philips
8.7 billion dollars for unlawfully
expropriating its investments in the
2000s i know what happened i know it
happened yeah so it's it's what they
did was they they nationalized in 1970
something six so they seized it in
1976 but the ruling didn't occur until
2007 maybe that's what it is
yeah in regards to that because it was
an international tribunal because i
was like xon mobile went back and did
more business with them and got and
got it taken in 2007 that'd be crazy
from 2019 is this yeah but that's
just when the arbitration when the
oh i guess when i finalize that sounds
like a really crazy long time there
might be something we're missing here
but um i just wanted listeners to
penguin told me on the break that he's
not saying that it's right what the
government did i was trying to ask him
what was right but he wasn't like
thinking that's what i was asking he was
trying to think well you were i was
asking you was that what the government
was doing was that right and you were
saying wasn't right but it was expected
and i was like well then that doesn't
change anything it does change one
thing we shouldn't be going to war
over something that a company made a
risky move and they lost money
yeah another company can take control
there's plenty of oil in the country
country our country basically bailing out
you what we're doing by going to war
with venezuela we're taking out their
leader is uh you know we're basically
uh what was the word i was using
bailing out yeah we're basically
bailing out banks all over again we're
bailing out the investors um we're
bailing out the housing industry right
that's it's just that's what we're
doing at this time it's an oil
company or multiple yeah right exactly
now the means of which we're
bailing them out maybe you know
spending money on the military to
invade venezuela yeah yeah
nonetheless that's that's what it comes
down to at the end of the day
um if if in fact what you know trump is
you know saying if we're to believe
what trump is saying and that is the
reason that we took out chavez is
because of the oil and we're going to
take over venezuela um if that's his
motives anyway then yeah yep i mean
obviously there was the lies about the
drugs um oh yeah that was a lie i
think for sure honestly i really
believe that was lie something i
tweeted the other name was i mean
nobody believed it i don't think in the
first place prior to well lots of
americans like you know like especially
like maddo oh yeah yeah madero
lots of maga americans do believe like
the chinese or in venezuela could be
true and they're forcing uh you know
fentanyl on our streets and stuff like
that and that and then they also believe
the united states cares and the united
states wants to go kill people and
they also believe that that's a
better way to the chinese were
literally in venezuela when we
caught maduro what do you mean by
there was a bunch of chinese
officials chinese there i believe it
there's no no there was a bunch of
chinese officials there to meet with
maduro that day but the they flew in the
night before oh they were like staying
there yeah yeah they were like in they
were try yeah chinese diplomats were
in venezuela ready to meet with maduro
but do you believe that president trump
this is all the things you have to
play do you believe that president
trump
is going to war against venezuela
even in part to to get fentanyl off
our streets no because fentanyl goes
to mexico it gets manufactured there
and then shipped on to the united states
it doesn't go to venezuela okay well
any drugs maybe not specific there's
some amount of drugs that come through
venezuela but it's it's insignificant
relative to the drugs to come to come
through mexico or columbia yeah yeah
well great but they usually travels
through that's another thing that
confused people yeah that's another
thing that confused people is like
whenever you hear of the conversation
around oh drugs coming from south
america and central america
you always hear about uh columbia
and mexico and trump even on the
campaign trail was talking about
china's got manufacturing plants for
fentanyl in mexico not and then also in
all of a sudden it's venezuela it seems
like it's like at the very least the
least we can say is that venezuela
isn't the top dog for getting drugs into
the country it's a transit point is
what it is wouldn't it be harder
mexico is both a transit point and
manufacturing
um so and they're importing the fentanyl
from china so china is the one who's
manufacturing the fentanyl from i
understand or precursor chemicals
i'm sorry whatever you're actually
correct it's the precursor chemicals
that then get shipped into mexico
mexico then manufactures the drugs and
then those drugs get sent on word to
the united states and i think some to
some small degree some of this is
heading towards um uh europe as well
but it's it's from south america and
central america i think venezuela
and probably mexico as well um but
yeah oh i just think wouldn't it be
harder to smuggle drugs into a
country that has sanctioned like from
a country that has a ton of sanctions on
it
like wouldn't it be harder to get stuff
from venezuela into america because we
don't do business with them so like if
you're trying to move a massive amount
of drugs i so no i don't think this
necessarily the case because they're
not they're not exactly doing it legally
right they're not sending it through
customs uh yeah yeah so it's it's all
yeah i guess they are yeah yeah so
it doesn't matter whether it's a
yeah sanctions exist or not i mean if
you're smuggling it through like a
port of entry like in a cargo
container of like fake stuff
like the but how are you getting you just
put a fake flag on it i guess so we have
to back up and say explain what
sanctions are and what they you know what
the sanctions do exactly so just because
a country is sanctioned doesn't mean that
there's no trade that goes on it just
means that certain items might not
might be prohibited from import for a
certain company or um you know like
for in the case of venezuela
venezuela is sanctioned but it's
not all of their oil it's only
certain uh oil from certain companies so
there's a legal as far as u.s. is
concerned they they they consider some
of that oil to be legal trade and some
of it to be sanctioned sanctions trade
i got it um so yeah it's it's confusing
but um yeah and that goes back to um
you know even even countries like um
you know that are sanctioned um you
know usually it's they it's only some
stuff that's sanctioned so as far as
like smuggling stuff into the united
states it could be that um there's
that they're using some sort of cargo
ships between venezuela and the united
states to smuggle stuff still because
again not everything is sanctioned i
don't know what kind of trade goes on
between venezuela and united states i
kind of suspect there's not a whole
lot going on but i don't know um i know
like a decade ago there was oil coming
from i believe venezuela to the
united states um but again this was
like a decade ago now so that may not
that's probably not happening more
recently i'm i'm thinking well we
have another interesting story if you
guys want to
maybe talk about another front of the um
venezuela stuff because it is connected
still it says is really military ordered
to prepare for war on all fronts
amid iranian protests i don't know if
it's related i think there are people
online saying that there is evidence
that when netanyahu was here like two
days ago he or three he told trump to
do the maduro thing have you guys heard
of this
yeah he probably did i that's the thing i
didn't look into what's the evidence i
was like he probably did but i'm not
saying i believe it what's the russian
l for because i ran in venezuela wanted
to do business um because they the
venezuela that was had no central bank
at all right yeah well they had like a
central bank but it wasn't tied to like
it's not tied to the city of london
like that those that central bank you
what is it called the world bank so what
i'm thinking oh um yeah there is the
world bank i think there's two different
organizations actually um similar to the
world bank though um they load money to
countries and things of that nature um
uh i so so the country itself has a
central bank of some kind it must because
remember they set the uh what is the
rates exchange i am what i'm thinking of
i am f and and the world bank group
yeah that sounds like that sounds about
so one of one of those um it was they
didn't do anything with venezuela and
they i mean they want to with every
country right the country can have its own
central bank of venezuela central banks
are separate from those anyway yeah so
my bad it wasn't that they didn't have a
central bank it's that they only had
their central bank and they didn't do
business with the i am f or it was
either i am f for the world bank is
that what you understand yeah well i mean
those those it was on those listed
countries like as of like 2000 there
was a list of countries that was
excluded outside of that like hegemony
and in the past 30 years we've taken out
all of those countries i'm not sure i'm
not sure specifically um in regards to
this but i i do know that they usually
are the country that comes in and like
sort of
bails other country or sorry they're
not a country there they're an
organization that goes in and bails
countries out um they give loans uh
in ash you know nations loans for
example like um i think uh then it
not as well um uh what's the what's
one with the uh prisons that the u.s.
is sending to oh oh no i'll solve it or
yeah i'll solve it or it's a so i'll
solve it or for example i believe um
was denied do you remember when they
did the bitcoin thing yeah they had
they still are trying to do bitcoin
right so so they were um might be
successful i don't know the they're
very poor country and they basically
were investing their taxes into
bitcoin and the i don't know if it
was the world bank or the i am f but
either way one of those two uh
basically said hey you know we're
not going to loan you money if you do
this um so and this is you know they
they loan money to basically poor
countries uh well um i just google does
venezuela do business with the imf and
it says no venezuela does not currently
do regular business with the imf it
has been largely cut off from imf
financing and formal engagement for
nearly two decades so um the idea
like walk with me for a second i'm
not saying i know this the idea is
that israel is best friends with the
imf and tons of people who run it we
don't get to know their names but the
conspiracy theory is that they're like a
lot of them are jewish and like zionist
jews specifically like they by that i
mean not like oh that's messed up you're
just talking about somebody's religion no
i mean like they believe in creating
the greater israel project yeah what
has been written about since the 1880s
which is zionism which is separate
than the religion even it's people that
go even further than that and they
want like the country of israel become
very powerful they want to they want to
have it from like the euphrates to the
to the they want to make it bigger but
they also want to like expansionist
have world power and and the idea is
that america has went in invaded and
tried to change the rulership of
multiple different countries that didn't
do business with the imf before and
then after they did and it's supposed
to be like oh look how much better it
is here now but if you look at libya
there's like open-air slave markets
and yeah you can still buy people in
libya two day right now post us getting
rid of qaddafi they didn't have slave
markets with qaddafi just as just as a
warning people don't bring your slave
back to the united states will arrest
you mr slave well um but yeah that's
what i didn't you know i just realized
you might have thought i meant like
mr penguin mr slave i got the okay
good um but so people are saying
since the reason i'm saying this is
really military ordered just yesterday
Israeli military ordered to prepare for
war on all fronts amid Iranian
protests is like that's what they've
wanted for a long time now all of a
sudden they're getting what they really
want they might be wanting
americans to go to war with venezuela
that's kind of more of a conspiracy
or whatever okay i won't even say
conspiracy that's more of a guess
from some people but i want to get
into all the other wars are about
start war war three maybe
Israeli military ordered to prepare
for war on all fronts made Iranian
protests and it's from our team
dot com so russia today it's not
american um propaganda though it may be
russian propaganda a new long-term plan
reportedly envisions a dramatic
expansion of all i df military
activity and i df is for listeners
the israeli defense fund force force
oh yeah um including yeah i just kept
reading imf so it's fun
including weapons and outer space
the israeli defense forces have been
ordered to prepare for a possible
simultaneous war against iran lebanon
and the west bank so wait did they
just reference jewish space lasers
no yeah that actually
that's crazy so i don't know i don't
know about this specifically but i do
know that israel has um i think a
pathway to its enemies uh including
iran now that it did not have
before um because they took out some
countries um that was kind of went
under um and uh in the process they
kind of took it took advantage of that
to take out the weaponry where what in
in what area somewhere between israel
and iran i think the corridor that
well like because they were going in
syria and doing stuff like that like
trying to say that was to save syrian
christians was it that might it might
be that um it might be connected to
that but yeah um they've also
destabilized iraq and afghanistan
like other powers right around iran but
basically is the the point that i'm
trying to make is that israel now has
direct access to iran where it in
order to basically fight a war where
it didn't have easy access to iran
before because it has to fly through
another it has to fly through one or
another country and um the pathway
to basically have you know fighting a
war with iran is now possible
whereas before syria is right in that
pathway syria iraq is right in the
middle israel doesn't have the
power to to fight back against
israel because they basically have
their government collapsed i think and
they and israel took advantage of that
to take out their military basically
well the syrian military yeah i believe
it's no the syria we just installed a
president of syria the new president of
syria we used to be a leader of isis
but he's now with the hegemon so he's
cool yeah i don't know the details
like i don't know exactly when i want
to say months yeah months ago well i
mean but the the syrian civil war has
been raging since like 2014 or
something 16 they've been fighting a
long time there's been a lot they've
been fighting in syria a long time i
don't know i i so you might be right
about the us instilling a leader in
syria but israel took he just visited
the white house that might be israel
what i'm trying to say is either way
israel took advantage of the situation
to take out the military basically so
that they could fly planes into iran
and and that and just because you have
to remember just because the us
instilled a some dictator in syria
does not necessarily mean that um
israel wants to be at the mercy of
whatever puppet the us installed well
that but it's not a us installed puppet
it's it's it's an israeli us joint
task force that's installed but it if you
want to ensure that you whoever is
you put into power does not stop you
from invading uh say iran the easiest
and best way to ensure that regardless
of who ends up in power later is to
take out the military and and that's
as i understand what israel basically did
yeah sure i mean yeah i'm it's not like
they didn't just uh well they didn't
fully take it out they just put it on
their side there's still there's still
like a syrian military sounds like they
did both of those yeah yeah right so
whoever gets into power in syria you
know after the you know the israeli
installed dictator uh you know gets
removed they still won't be able to
stop israel from you know and yeah
because it's too they've destabilized
it yeah well it's the same thing with
libya what they got rid of qaddafi and
whatever they tried to install in libya
fell apart hillary clinton was a part of
that right she was one of the orchestrators
of destroying libya that was the whole
Benghazi thing um what's really creepy
about this article is they're saying
basically that israel has been watching
protests in iran where iranians are
protesting against their own government
and trying to use that they're gonna
back certain protesters and start a
war from inside of this process aren't
even naturally starting i thought they're
funded by the by us israeli well not us
but israel israel or the u.s the i agencies
funds israel and israel that'd be
basically quote unquote us more free
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trump says the u.s is locked and loaded
and ready to go if peaceful protesters
are killed in iran amid nationwide
unrest he issued the warning in an
early morning post to social media
saying the u.s will come to the
rescue of peaceful protesters mass
demonstrations erupted a week ago in
major cities like tehran but have since
spread to smaller towns as citizens
vent their frustration over the
worsening economy at least six people
have been killed and 17 wounded
it's the biggest threat to iran's
government since 2022
when protests erupted over the death of
a young woman who was arrested for
allegedly not wearing her hijab
correctly in response to trump's latest
threat iran says it will not allow
foreign interference in the country
tensions between tehran and washington
have intensified in recent weeks
just on monday trump said he'd order
more strikes on iran if it tries to
rebuild its nuclear capabilities after
the u.s destroyed some sites in june
swiss authorities continue to
identify the victims of a deadly new
years eve nightclub fire
they say sparklers on champagne bottles
held too closely to the ceiling are to
blame for the blaze at least 40 people
were killed and more than a hundred
others were injured the majority of
whom are in intensive care
france is among several european
nations treating some of the victims
fsn's ross cullen reports
people who suffered burns in the fatal
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mr penguin and angelo
and
we've had all kinds of things talked
about definitely no shortage of things
talked about but secession is always a
favorite topic of at least penguin and i
oh yeah for sure no i'm down with you
all know about the uh state of jefferson
oh yeah i'm a huge proponent of the
state of jefferson man i in oregon is
that organ exclusive well it's like
organ northern california like way
north california that people don't even
know it exists because there's like
five hours of california before you
get to sacramento
mm-hmm from the border of oregon so it's
like it's just a section of uh isn't it
the third biggest yeah i think in the
lower 48 it's the second biggest
yeah i think montana is like fourth
right yeah it's like third or fourth
montana is huge too so but uh california
definitely so big that like all you
think of is los angeles but yeah i
but there's a there's been a movement
in in oregon to make our the 51st
state the state of jefferson
um since before i was i was born
and i didn't know that old yeah it's a
strong sentiment we're tired uh tired of
portland and sacramento ruining the
lives of cattle ranchers and potato
farmers um so they wanted to leave uh
and i was a big supporter of that and i
just don't think at this point we
should just you know exiting the
union sounds more preferable
yeah i want to say i don't think
there's any i can't imagine there'd
be anybody on this uh coasting the
show that's not as big fat as the
session
yeah i love the session i think it's
great yeah i don't know anybody on
the show yeah i mean libertarians in
general but i did get told by libertarian
if not today then it was yesterday um
when i so they're from russia maybe they
feel they can't say anything but let
me just explain
they're from russia and they're all
they're one of those left libertarians
that's like way more mad at russia
for the war in ukraine than the
ukrainian government they act like
the ukrainian government did no
wrong
and and it's not true like it's
actually untrue and it's like i like
targeting russian people like russian
people in ukraine so basically in
for being russian i mean yes i mean
that's like targeted definitely with
the the russian government says putin's
government says no it's actually it's
absolutely true that in
2014 the donbas region and another
one voted to leave
and oh yeah they did vote they did vote
for secession bombing people in
those regions to try to scare them
into actually doing it
and that any person of pro secession
should be against Kiev for doing that
and i'm not saying that means russia
did nothing wrong that's what these
people always think you're saying
okay russia's awesome and should
definitely have attacked them and
but if the people voted to secede and
join russia and leave the ukraine
and those people not make their own
decision
so this is what i said to him i said
well what if mexico or i mean
sorry texas voted to join mexico
not just to see but join secede and join
mexico
and trump said no and started bombing
texas would you feel the same way
and all he could say because he didn't
want to answer that question was
well it's illegal to secede in the
united states retroactively done by
abraham lincoln after the south that
already succeeded the activist judge in
texas v white somebody has to remind
these people that the united states
is literally a country only because of
rebellion against the british umpire
right yeah exactly it was illegal
under the british up when the united
states was part of the british umpire
right
um you know before was the united states
basically it was illegal for us to
secede and we yet we did well it's not
even a we we united in secession but
we were all supposed to be our own
country still right it was the
essentially the country of new york and
multiple has its own constitution and
its own that was that was after
secession from the british umpire
yes but then when we joined it as
the constitute with the constitution
everything i understand yes independent
countries yes yeah in um the united
states was supposed to be independent
countries and you would have yeah yeah
in multiple including i know road island
i don't remember every other state
multiple states said i'm not joining
this aka like signing the constitution
unless you make it clear that we can
leave and i don't think they got
good enough um like they didn't get
that written in stone anywhere
unfortunately but ultimately the
government we are the the country
that we have today was overthrown
seven years or so after you know
independence why do you say seven years
well because the articles of confederation
right fell apart yeah right and then we
had the whiskey rebellion and well i
like we had to reset the whole cons the
whole the whole government like a
couple times long before the whiskey
rebellion the the us the us basically
had formed one government and then uh
it was overthrown and then a new
government was formed so no but what i
don't think what i'm talking about when
i said road island wanted to make sure
they wouldn't join i think i was ratifying
the current u.s constitution that's what
i'm trying to say that it didn't have
anything to do with the articles i know
about the articles of confederation how
that stopped happening and the
constitution became a new thing but what
i'm saying is i'm pretty sure they was
Rhode Island and like two other states
and they said we're not sure we want to
do this unless we're positive will
will be allowed to leave so i'm trying
because it was a contract right it was
a contract between the these nation
states of agreeing to a certain set
of yeah i was right of laws when it came
to commerce interstate commerce i think
you guys i think you guys are kind of
over how i say this um you're giving it
too much credibility uh it was literally
like a group of people that basically
took over that just came in and decided
that we're going to go over the united
states wait what are you talking about
what do you mean what do you mean by
that like who because it wasn't legal
for them to do it um wait what do
you mean like what what exact thing
was not legal and who are you talking
about when you talk about a group
of people yeah like who's day
i can't name the names like hamilton
franklin or or are we are the people
sign the constitution because i mean
there is a there is definitely if you're
going even deeper than that
yeah there is an argument that like
what right did they have to put
anybody under a constitution and i
believe that like i believe the whole
spooner mindset but without going
that far it's absolutely true that the
people who ran Rhode Island and
there's also other states but this
instantly answering that for me and i
don't feel like continuing to google this
it says they resisted i wanted to say
that yesterday but then i was like oh
wait
Rhode Island i think was the one in
new england i don't know though i don't
know yeah so let's see i think the
terms are uh federalist um versus uh
the anti-federalist so like the
hamilton papers like because all those
guys wrote the federalist papers
and anti-federalist papers like
those are founding fathers like
documents you can go yeah that's
kind of like the they're so like
i don't you know some of the stuff is
sort of begging my memory at the
moment
i have to review but
and they got pressured under congress
and other states
Rhode Island finally called a
convention because they were not
going to call a convention they
weren't even going to vote on it yeah
they weren't even going to talk about
it until they knew they and that's
why they were the last ratify but
the only thing that google isn't
quickly answering for me is like
what ended up happening that got
them to say okay i feel safe enough
to join now i don't think they got
enough assure assurance that they
could leave whenever they wanted
no i think i think it was the federalist
took over the what was you know the
united states after independence
set was seven years later or so
are you saying that those people were
where the people that became the
people who created the also like seven
years later so what formed our
modern government basically okay so but
then they wrote the constitution
right because 1787 would be 10 years
after the formation of the united
states in 1776 yeah i think you're right
so then it's just the constitution is
what they wrote
uh well no because because remember
originally when we declared independence
from the british empire we were a bunch
of countries basically that was the
first government and then the second
government yeah well that was the
content of continental congress right
didn't they yeah absolve i think so
post war like after the war or was
they didn't that's the whole thing it
was just like it was a small group
of individuals that just didn't work
that the federalists that took over
and informed the new government um
that i mean again that's my understanding
of it if somebody has a different
understanding of it well i just thought
like the the so the continental
congress happened and then we had the
articles of confederation congress
was legal what was not legal was the
articles of confederation or the
constitution the articles of confederation
and the new constitution okay but
the articles of confederation oh no
mind i'm mixing those two up no i
thought the articles of confederation
was prior to the constitution prior and
different thing that dissolved because
those yeah i think you might be right
but and i think the continental
congress is a third separate so you're
saying these are all the same people
and you think it was all the same people
with their multiple attempts is that
what you're saying because like i could
see that as a second theory the second
government was basically the federalist
because there was a federalist first
anti-federalists and originally
there was there was um we didn't have
a federal government that was in
total control of everything right we
had independent countries that sort of
worked alongside each other in order to
form the u.s and that's kind of what
led to the articles of confederation
that didn't that didn't work the federalist
said that didn't work and it wasn't
working well so they basically decided
we're just going to come in and we're
going to take over and form a new
government and we're not going to ask
permission well was that the whole
idea of the checks and balances that
they worked into the constitution it
wasn't how the the federalist
explained it at least was that if we
distributed enough of the power
throughout the federal throughout the
federal government is that they could
kind of keep an eye on each other and
not consolidate too much power in the
one wing of it right that's why we had
three separate ones so like everyone's
kind of watching each other at all time
i'm learning something brand new over
here the most yeah i think that's the
second government basically what i just
learned from google it's all google yes
because when you're doing a radio show
you don't know something up the top
of your head you have to google it
yep um i always thought the road island
then decided well okay we are going to
join now that we've gotten some sort of
assurance no they actually ended up
joining because they got threatened
it says that um what happened was
economic pressure the turning point
what came when congress threatened to
treat road island as a foreign entity
imposing tariffs on its goods making
continued separation economically
unviable and then facing potential
economic warfare from the other 12
states and fearing reprisals
road island finally convened a ratifying
constitution that's bad
yeah i mean so it's been coercion since the
jump but we do have a caller in the line
so i want to go to the phones anonymous
caller you're on free talk live what's on
your mind rich i owe you an apology
okay rich isn't here but you can you can
apologize to him if you want and he
might hear it
i'll take that back i didn't know he
was not in studio
okay i mean if you want to call back next
sunday he'll be on sunday that oh richy
rich not not um not rich oh yeah richy
rich right richy rich is he in studio
no no he'll be in here next sunday
though i think that me
that's fine anything else on your mind
the yeah something like oh yeah he
hung up um yeah that's the guy who owes
rich money
no no that's not um richy i don't know if
i say he owes him money i don't know
well they made a bet yeah they've made a
bet but did it end i don't know and yeah
i guess a second leg has ended and he
hasn't been paid for the first leg
so okay yeah yeah i don't know i don't
know maybe people shouldn't make bets
over the radio yeah that makes sense
yeah let's say the internet and i was
like well the radio bets over radius
seems like a bad idea yeah i don't know
is that even that can be considered
legal that was too interesting like
like would they be able to take it to
core and win well no i just mean like
could you can you place bets like that
on the radio isn't that kind of like a
form of gambling gambling yeah i don't
know we just have like a does that
become gambling because it's not i guess
our friendly wage is not considered i
don't know i don't know i think
you're probably right it's probably
technically illegal it's just because
we're broadcasting it uh no i'm not
gonna point it out i'm not going to
point it out anymore i'm not talking
about it i don't think it's i think it's
just outlawed period like you can't just
i think gambling like like when you have
a game of um poker that's illegal i
think technically um i mean it may not
be enforced but for the most part but
unless of course you're a political
you know politically well is it different
for having a card game
oh i guess yeah i guess yeah i that would
mean well i poker rooms i don't know
if the house doesn't win any money if
there's like no house and it's all
there's some how is legal ways to make
bets in some in some way so it might
be covered yeah license oh yeah there's
licenses for like game like we have it
in kimi um like a casino but like if you
all sat down and consensually put your
own money in and there's like no house
making money off of it technically
illegal i do i guess yeah that'd be like
a mafia as i understand it yeah yeah
well um i'm just so interested in what
he wanted to apologize to richie rich
over because i'm pretty sure that that
was james the one who last week called
and said like ian's an idiot i'm an
idiot for marrying him and he's
skinny or whatever and um are like
young or i don't remember what he said
about him that was like weirdly
insulting calling a little boy yeah
that's what was like a little boy i was
like 45 but um that was that guy so i'm
like super interested to know what
what would he be calling to apologize
to any of us over he never even
apologized mark over threatening to like
kill mark and his family that's the
same guy oh was that that's the guy
oh um okay wait i don't want to say
yes that's absolutely the guy but
somebody that we know sure somebody that
we know that is absolutely sure knows
voices very well and said that they are
pretty sure that's the guy
yeah but he wouldn't tell us who he was
last week okay so there's that and that
person hadn't called since about 2021
as far as i was gonna say it's been a
while i think since i've heard him um
yeah apparently drum called yesterday
too i thought that was cool i wasn't
all interesting from new york right
no drum is south carolina he's the one
who loves to say oh i hate drum
and uh he he's trying to think he
always calls about hating trump and then
richie rich says trump train just to
mess with them got you did he do it
yesterday uh i think riley did
oh yeah that's funny oh yeah because
richie rich wasn't what i forgot
well anyways i want to get into the
story from the daily mail statin
island residents discussed plans to
secede from new york city amid
outrage in deep red burrow which is
satan satin island
satan island over new socialist mayor
residents of statin island have
discussed renewed calls for secession
from new york city after a newly
elected mayor zohra and mom donnie
visited the burrow
oh i don't want to i do want to go to
the uh phones because we quickly got
another call and we have maybe like
ten minutes left
turd berguson from pennsylvania
you're on free talk live what's on
your mind
well i think we should on ban uh
starting in 2026 the greatest
caller of free talk live of all time
james wittekind wait we should unban
ban him he's banned
yes i believe so i believe he's banned
from calling the show
i didn't know that i'm banning
he calls him with a call that says
anonymous
i'm sorry what oh whenever he calls
in it says anonymous so in last week i
told him that he was like well then
you've blocked me maybe that's the
case maybe he ended something the
bans are temporary um they usually
threaten to kill mark and never
never ever ever apologize yeah i i
realize that but i i think i want to
say yin still allows them to call in
or and honestly i think he did too
because in 2011 or 2021 i meant to say
when i first got here first started in
the show
i was here for call calls from him
and i would just laugh because he said
the most ridiculous mean things he
be like you pencil neck
i never heard that one before you
never heard of pencil neck not until
then and it's like an old man uh like
that'd be like a he's like a nerd
okay so third why is he the greatest
color of all time why is uh james
wittekine the greatest color of all
time
because he's far away the most
entertaining and i and i listen i
consume media to be entertained
period
and i don't think he's the most
entertaining i can't say he is
well yeah i mean maybe maybe
but aside from me
it's james wittekine i think you call
him to have actual conversations to
definitely like as opposed to like
skeeter he's just not trying to have
a conversation
um and uh do you definitely say funny
things
yes he does not even entertaining no
james wittekine james wittekine's
highly entertaining he's last weekend
when he was uh when he said like oh
i don't know why anyone would marry
a child or whatever he said to me was
that entertaining that wasn't that
entertaining to me it was like james
wittekine called in last week
yeah um was it last week exactly and
it was i think a saturday
yeah i got real weird for a second
i dude i wish i heard it i didn't hear
it well it's always up on the
you know we were talking about we were
talking about skeeter
and we were we were making fun of
skeeter on the low and we said
he who shall not be named as in
skeeter because we didn't want him
to call and go skeeter mode
and then suddenly this guy calls out
of the blue
and i thought it was skeeter at
first and then um he was like you know
who this is richie rich and i was like
hey richie was like no i don't we don't
we thought it was skeeter this whole
time but i guess it was did he say
don't you deserve to die like the free
talk lies troll you are i love james
wittekine dude he's hilarious i don't
remember him saying that i dude he
despises me i'm probably the only
person he hates more than mark edge
on it was sunday december 28th go
back and listen to the last segment
of the show oh it's on my birthday
that's yeah that must be why i wasn't
listening to all my birthday oh yeah it
was he did call you were in you were in
the hot tub alone yep exactly i don't
know oh yeah
huh that's weird because i usually i
don't know man i wish i'd heard it i
love james wittekine
i think he was entertaining that and
then this was very strange just i have
an apology for you rich in the way
like richie rich or or rich paul and
he's just like he's not there and
hangs up that's not entertaining
we have more to say there's no way that
was him though there's no way that was
james wittekine i would i would know
somebody that knows his voice said it
was him last week's why i think it was
i can't keep track of the colors
all a good portion of the news that
the people who call in are just
nuts yeah but some people are way
better at recognizing please call in
because man oh my i know i know i love
it whenever somebody calls in and
they're like hey don't call that much
but i just have something to say and
they're like totally normal awesome
person you know what i mean it
doesn't happen
like uber joint listen you can be i always
hope you can be a little bit crazy be
on the you know be a left-wing supporter
that's fine call in right just in fact
we can at least have conversations with
sarah yeah she doesn't get offended by
anything no no um conversations with
sarah she knows that she's very stoic
i will give that to sarah she does not
let anything get to her a lot of it
goes in one ear and goes out the other
with her but uh yes so yeah um
honestly you only get one call and i
i'm just gonna call to ask i just want
to let you defend your name i'm just
wondering is this james
maybe you have a low average iq but you're
right on that one oh yeah okay so i have a
below average iq but i'm right that you
are james okay so it is james i'm
only nearly listened to you to know
that's a fact but i called in because
you again your station perpetuated
the ridiculous lie about speaking of
the fbi that you seem to have a low
opinion of yes mark has such a high
opinion of them that he had them knock
on my own brother's front door looking
for me when all they had to do
would call me and within 15 seconds
they knew that that grotesque lie you
have repeated if i had a bitcoin for
every time i've heard i threatened
mark edgerton and his tickets take some
into court then prove that you didn't
say it because i mean that it's
recorded yeah i mean it's it's
literally go back into the archive and
listen to the shows i really doubt that
mark is just saying it and i didn't hear
the call myself but mark told me you
said it and schizophrenic people don't
always remember what they've said
before oh he hung up
did you get to hear that turn it
genuinely was james oh yeah that was
definitely james woulda kind holy crap
that was amazing it's like the return
of the dark night dude
he's calling huh the return of the
dark night yeah batman batman returns
well you only get one call night
sorry james hung up and i'm not
interested in talking to him apparently
turns really interested in it but it's
not that interesting to me
i mean like schizophrenic people aren't
not drawn i don't know what's going on
and i tried to call him a few weeks
ago and i don't know if he changed his
number or he just blocked my phone
number what's going on but uh i guess
he's mad at me or something i thought he
said he hates you but you call him
directly i yeah sometimes yes i mean
we've had some pretty we've had some
good conversations they usually end
though with like with like
well calling james how would you like it
if i showed up there in shrewsbury
pennsylvania and murdered you or there is
it usually ends with that but he but the
conversation is usually pretty funny
though it's i think it's i think it's
right i think it's crazy that you
would throw in somebody's eight year
old's child yeah i mean but i mean i
i think uh you know as a sort of a
radio personality we kind of have to
be a little bit um how do i say this
kind of ignore the the nonsense from
people that are crazy then call us
but it still it's like it's like it used
to be entertaining when we would answer
dust in from kansas dust in from kansas
dust in the wind from kansas that was
clearly what that was referenced to um
it was sometimes entertaining he would
just say like the radio and the radio
and the radio makes waves and waves
are in the ocean and it would go on
like that so gross oh man that was
actually crazy nuts right but after
a while it's like don't let that go on
for like two minutes well yeah you
can't sit there and like uh second
ten seconds or 20 seconds you do want
people to call in that are entertaining
but like yeah well at some point you're
also just using you're using like
broken people for views to kind of like
at some point yeah that's a little mean
to some of the kids in it you know what
i mean yeah he's a broken person he's
mentally ill sometimes i would go
bad and let him be mentally ill to the
world and use him for like yucks
can feel kind of gross but it's so crazy
that his name was dustin from kansas
like that was clearly not his real name
well probably not but like he couldn't
seem to he had to be if that was real
and not i don't know ai before it's time
or you know um somebody pranking us then
that person couldn't possibly been like
living on his own you know what i mean
no he probably lived with his mom or
something yeah that's pretty sad and
sometimes he has a very like normal
person like almost like like i can i
can hold a job type of voice does that
make sense do you get the interview
do you remember dustin i don't know who
dustin is um okay yeah i have no idea who
he is i don't oh sorry turd i didn't mean
to cut you off i thought he was gonna
just end it at that but the show is over
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