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Free Thinkers. 01:59.550 --> 02:01.810 Welcome back to the Free Thought Project Podcast. 02:01.810 --> 02:07.770 My name is Jason Basler and joining me is the Free Thought Project editor-in-chief, Matt Agarist. 02:08.430 --> 02:11.810 Editor and writer Dawn Vai Jr. is also here with us today. 02:13.130 --> 02:15.410 Thank you all once again for joining us. 02:15.890 --> 02:17.770 Today is a very special show. 02:18.070 --> 02:21.370 We have two returning guests joining us once again, 02:21.650 --> 02:24.030 both longtime friends of the Free Thought Project. 02:24.570 --> 02:27.770 And today we'll be exploring the topic of technocracy, 02:27.770 --> 02:31.110 how it started, where it's at, where it's going, 02:31.490 --> 02:35.130 and the overlap of world government, eugenics, surveillance, 02:35.610 --> 02:38.070 central planning, and social control. 02:39.070 --> 02:42.250 So, I will be brief in this opening here 02:42.250 --> 02:44.030 because we have a lot to talk about today, 02:44.290 --> 02:47.410 but please remember Free Thinkers to please subscribe, 02:48.150 --> 02:49.610 rate and review this podcast, 02:49.870 --> 02:51.790 and remember if you appreciate these interviews 02:51.790 --> 02:54.370 and recognize just how important shows like this are, 02:54.370 --> 02:59.150 please consider subscribing to us to help continue these podcasts rolling. 02:59.670 --> 03:03.450 The subscription portal can be found at the top of the freethoughtproject.com 03:03.450 --> 03:05.930 in the TFTP membership tab. 03:07.850 --> 03:10.590 All right, so a little backstory on today's episode. 03:10.990 --> 03:14.010 Back in early December, we had one of today's guests, 03:14.710 --> 03:19.790 Gavin Nasiamento, on the show to discuss USAID, DOGE, 03:19.950 --> 03:22.010 and the Hidden History of Population Control. 03:22.010 --> 03:26.190 And after that episode, Don had a brilliant idea. 03:26.410 --> 03:29.230 He proposed that we brought Gavin back on the show 03:29.230 --> 03:31.990 with another longtime friend, colleague, 03:32.390 --> 03:34.190 and brilliant researcher, Derek Brose, 03:34.790 --> 03:37.370 so we could discuss the overlap between technocracy, 03:37.610 --> 03:40.730 world government, transhumanism, and eugenics. 03:41.270 --> 03:44.590 And we all knew as soon as we heard that idea from Don 03:44.590 --> 03:47.190 that it would be a very powerful episode 03:47.190 --> 03:50.370 that would give us a lot of space for a deep dive into these topics 03:50.370 --> 03:51.850 with two brilliant researchers. 03:52.930 --> 03:56.350 But before we jump into our first question today, 03:56.510 --> 03:58.390 I am going to do something we don't usually do, 03:58.670 --> 04:01.290 but seeing both of our guests have been on the show 04:01.290 --> 04:02.550 a bunch of times in the past, 04:03.030 --> 04:07.330 I wanted to give them both a chance to briefly introduce themselves 04:07.330 --> 04:10.730 because surely we'll have some new listeners in this episode 04:10.730 --> 04:12.530 who might not be familiar with their work. 04:13.110 --> 04:15.110 So let's go ahead and start with Gavin. 04:15.330 --> 04:16.570 Gavin, go ahead and introduce yourself. 04:17.090 --> 04:19.770 Yes, I don't want to take up too much time 04:19.770 --> 04:21.610 because it is a very, very relevant topic, 04:22.270 --> 04:24.250 and I'm excited to dig into it. 04:24.250 --> 04:26.270 And I've been on the podcast quite a few times. 04:26.970 --> 04:28.450 But yes, my name is Gavin. 04:28.670 --> 04:30.930 I've been doing this now for about 16 years. 04:31.690 --> 04:36.110 I initially started because I came from a background 04:37.230 --> 04:40.110 where I had a lot of personal internal struggles 04:40.890 --> 04:43.530 and a lot of hopelessness and suicidal ideation 04:43.530 --> 04:47.150 and terrible crippling anxiety and, you know, 04:47.230 --> 04:49.030 addiction in the list goes on and on and on. 04:49.650 --> 04:52.290 And then we were doing something radical, 04:52.530 --> 04:54.470 which was reading books. 04:55.110 --> 04:56.350 Because I used to be just somebody 04:56.350 --> 04:58.010 that was all about being street smart. 04:58.670 --> 05:01.590 And I started to open books, and then I became aware 05:01.590 --> 05:03.090 I opened up my awareness. 05:03.850 --> 05:07.470 And that's actually in all kinds of new solutions 05:07.470 --> 05:10.650 because awareness is really what precipitates solutions. 05:10.650 --> 05:12.770 And so knowledge really is power. 05:12.930 --> 05:14.510 And when I learned that this could work for me, 05:15.030 --> 05:18.870 as weak as I was, as, you know, crippled by anxiety 05:18.870 --> 05:21.030 and PTSD and all of these things that I was, 05:21.910 --> 05:25.050 I couldn't help but feel a moral obligation 05:25.670 --> 05:27.550 to then help others do the same thing. 05:27.730 --> 05:29.470 And then, of course, as you begin to explore 05:29.470 --> 05:32.430 trying to empower others, if you dig deep enough, 05:32.710 --> 05:35.350 invariably you rub up against the state and the system. 05:35.870 --> 05:37.150 And here we are today. 05:38.050 --> 05:39.810 Excellent. Well, thank you for that, Gavin. 05:39.810 --> 05:43.710 And yeah, I think today is actually your ninth time on the show. 05:43.830 --> 05:45.790 So I think our listeners are familiar with you, 05:45.850 --> 05:48.910 but hey, for anybody who's new listening to the show, 05:49.210 --> 05:52.070 and Derek, go ahead and briefly introduce yourself, my friend. 05:52.850 --> 05:54.470 Yeah, thanks for having me back on, guys. 05:54.570 --> 05:56.790 Appreciate it, and glad to be here with Gavin and everybody. 05:57.850 --> 06:00.730 So actually, I'm not surprised, 06:00.910 --> 06:03.890 but it's interesting just how similar my story is to Gavin. 06:04.130 --> 06:06.250 Been doing this about 16 years now, 06:06.250 --> 06:09.030 starting off back in Houston, Texas in the States 06:09.030 --> 06:11.410 with activism at my wake up 06:11.410 --> 06:15.410 after going through my own journey through addiction and depression 06:15.410 --> 06:17.730 and mental health issues and in prison, eventually, 06:17.970 --> 06:23.390 and woke up through people like Jim Mars and Ron Paul, others, 06:23.590 --> 06:27.290 and within a few years felt motivated to kind of continue 06:27.290 --> 06:29.510 the on-the-ground, street-level activism, 06:29.530 --> 06:33.530 but also start focusing on taking the journalism side of things 06:33.530 --> 06:34.130 more seriously. 06:34.610 --> 06:37.850 And then I've gotten into writing some books over the years, 06:38.070 --> 06:40.190 producing documentaries, hosting events, 06:40.650 --> 06:43.870 doing my own podcast and things like that and making music. 06:44.050 --> 06:45.790 All of it is all aimed in the same direction, 06:46.010 --> 06:48.830 trying to educate myself, share the journey, 06:49.130 --> 06:50.990 empower, motivate, activate others, 06:51.250 --> 06:53.450 and focus on solutions where possible. 06:53.950 --> 06:55.230 So yeah, I'm happy to be here with you guys. 06:55.850 --> 06:58.250 Certainly happy to have both of you guys on as well. 06:58.490 --> 06:59.650 And on that note, you know, 07:00.170 --> 07:02.490 Derek actually did just release a book, 07:02.690 --> 07:03.390 A Man of My Word. 07:03.670 --> 07:05.670 I think that just dropped what was it last month. 07:06.310 --> 07:07.530 So something worth checking out. 07:07.650 --> 07:09.330 We'll certainly do plugs at the end there. 07:09.430 --> 07:13.230 But today is your fourth time back on the show as well, Derek. 07:13.550 --> 07:16.390 And believe it or not, you were actually one of our first guests. 07:16.590 --> 07:18.890 I think you were the first guest ever on the show 07:18.890 --> 07:20.730 back in October, 2018, 07:20.950 --> 07:23.430 when we were ironically talking about Jeffrey Epstein. 07:24.050 --> 07:24.490 Wow. 07:24.730 --> 07:28.010 And we even had you back again on the show in 2022 07:28.010 --> 07:30.250 to talk about Epstein and Elon 07:30.250 --> 07:32.230 and the World Economic Forum and all that. 07:32.790 --> 07:34.850 But as I mentioned today on the show, 07:35.050 --> 07:37.110 we're diving into the world of technocracy 07:37.110 --> 07:39.330 and how it began, how it's been evolving 07:39.330 --> 07:42.650 and the complex ways that it continues to manifest today. 07:42.990 --> 07:45.410 So I thought maybe to kickstart the conversation, 07:45.970 --> 07:48.530 we could get into something that everybody's talking about right now, 07:48.570 --> 07:51.450 which is Epstein and these Epstein revelations 07:51.450 --> 07:55.050 and his connections to some of the world's most powerful figures. 07:55.050 --> 07:58.410 And Derek, I know you've been focused on this for a long time. 07:58.470 --> 08:02.810 How do you see the influence of technocracy's levers of control 08:02.810 --> 08:07.490 through technology with things like leverage over the elites 08:07.490 --> 08:12.250 and this pursuit of agendas like eugenics and biometric tracking 08:12.250 --> 08:14.710 and all this stuff that's kind of coming to light right now? 08:14.870 --> 08:17.570 Like how does the Epstein scandal kind of illustrate 08:17.570 --> 08:20.390 the mechanisms of technocratic power in action 08:20.390 --> 08:23.730 and how long this ideology has been in the making? 08:24.710 --> 08:25.770 It's a great question. 08:25.930 --> 08:28.230 I mean, there's a lot of different threads we could pull on 08:28.230 --> 08:29.750 as I'm sure we'll get into some today. 08:29.950 --> 08:33.630 I mean, one of them is just the obvious pieces like Epstein's, 08:33.750 --> 08:35.450 much of which have been already known 08:35.450 --> 08:37.370 prior to any of the recent document dumps. 08:37.370 --> 08:38.310 We just got more confirmation. 08:38.630 --> 08:42.890 But Epstein's relationships with scientists and technologists 08:42.890 --> 08:45.230 who were interested in transhumanism, 08:45.430 --> 08:47.590 who are interested in life extension, 08:48.130 --> 08:49.530 you know, longevity, technology 08:50.050 --> 08:52.970 and one of those people being Peter Thiel, 08:52.970 --> 08:55.010 of course, I think Peter Thiel is really one of the 08:55.010 --> 08:57.650 prime examples of a modern-day technocrat, 08:57.790 --> 09:01.410 somebody who believes that despite not being elected 09:01.410 --> 09:04.890 to any position, he can use his wealth, his influence 09:04.890 --> 09:06.470 and most importantly, his technology, 09:07.030 --> 09:10.250 his technological tools to influence the world around him, 09:10.310 --> 09:11.470 to shape the world around him. 09:12.250 --> 09:14.390 And him and Epstein obviously were in contact 09:14.390 --> 09:17.110 and were friends and there's the now famous, you know, 09:17.130 --> 09:19.330 line about Epstein representing the Rothschild 09:19.330 --> 09:20.270 to Peter Thiel. 09:20.730 --> 09:22.910 And of course, we know about Peter Thiel's investments 09:22.910 --> 09:24.650 in companies like Ambrosia and others 09:24.650 --> 09:27.410 that are specifically trying to see how they could use 09:27.410 --> 09:30.030 the blood of the young to extend their life 09:30.030 --> 09:30.750 and things like that. 09:31.130 --> 09:34.050 So, I mean, I think that he is a great example 09:34.050 --> 09:34.970 and there's many others. 09:35.190 --> 09:37.570 It's just, to me, it just shows that Epstein, 09:37.610 --> 09:38.910 of course, was just the nexus point. 09:39.030 --> 09:40.270 I don't think he was the top of the pyramid 09:40.270 --> 09:42.570 or in any way, he obviously was influential 09:42.570 --> 09:45.270 and had contacts with all kinds of people. 09:45.450 --> 09:48.870 But to me, that research into, 09:48.870 --> 09:50.590 like we've learned more about how Epstein 09:50.590 --> 09:52.770 and in touch with Bill Gates and researching 09:52.770 --> 09:55.430 and discussing pandemic preparedness, 09:56.250 --> 09:57.110 you want to call it that. 09:57.810 --> 10:00.990 And as well as, yeah, like the other tech side of things, 10:01.470 --> 10:03.950 it's to me, it's just a perfect example 10:03.950 --> 10:05.370 of what technocracy is about. 10:05.750 --> 10:09.090 The original technocrats said that the people were too dumb 10:09.090 --> 10:10.470 to basically decide their future, 10:10.530 --> 10:11.650 so you didn't need to have voting, 10:12.070 --> 10:12.870 you didn't need politicians, 10:13.470 --> 10:14.910 you didn't even really need the business class. 10:15.050 --> 10:18.250 Instead, you need the scientific, technological experts 10:18.250 --> 10:20.010 and engineers to be running the machines. 10:20.650 --> 10:24.370 And when they were writing about this in the 30s and 40s, 10:24.370 --> 10:26.490 I mean, the machines would have been giant, 10:26.490 --> 10:28.210 massive, early computers, 10:28.210 --> 10:30.310 which I think today we would probably 10:30.310 --> 10:31.990 just say artificial intelligence. 10:32.410 --> 10:34.230 And again, that's another area of research 10:34.230 --> 10:36.070 that we see Epstein's involvement in. 10:36.550 --> 10:38.370 Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it's coming out. 10:38.470 --> 10:40.030 I don't think too much of it has been surprising. 10:40.370 --> 10:41.550 Hopefully for more people, 10:41.630 --> 10:43.570 it'll help them understand how this power operates. 10:43.970 --> 10:47.150 But these folks are just the modern extension 10:47.150 --> 10:50.030 of not only the original technocrats from the 1930s, 10:50.030 --> 10:52.610 but then the extension of what Zabignu Brzezinski 10:52.610 --> 10:55.030 was talking about in the 1970s with his book 10:55.030 --> 10:57.890 The Technotronic Era, America Between Two Ages. 10:58.450 --> 11:00.810 He called it technotronic as opposed to technocratic, 11:01.090 --> 11:02.890 but he was describing the same systems. 11:03.170 --> 11:05.610 And of course, just one other interesting tidbit on that 11:05.610 --> 11:07.870 is that he was one of the co-founders, 11:07.890 --> 11:09.470 along with David Rockefeller and Kissinger, 11:10.110 --> 11:11.250 in the Trilateral Commission. 11:11.750 --> 11:14.930 The Trilateral Commission started at Columbia University. 11:14.930 --> 11:18.630 The original technocracy movement also came out of Columbia University. 11:19.230 --> 11:22.130 And then another little kind of tidbit there 11:22.130 --> 11:24.450 is that Epstein was also a member of the Trilateral Commission. 11:24.750 --> 11:26.310 So you can really see this throughline 11:26.930 --> 11:30.770 from the original technocracy movement at places like Columbia 11:30.770 --> 11:34.210 to the deep state agents of Zabignu Brzezinski 11:34.670 --> 11:36.290 and the fact that Kissinger, 11:36.590 --> 11:40.510 that Epstein is sitting on the board is not a surprise. 11:41.010 --> 11:43.710 And the fact that the Trilateral Commission in 2023, 11:43.710 --> 11:46.650 they declared 2023 to be the first year 11:46.650 --> 11:48.830 of the new international economic order. 11:49.650 --> 11:51.210 I mean, these ideas are still existing. 11:51.350 --> 11:53.750 They're still relevant just as they were 100 years ago. 11:54.610 --> 11:57.050 Certainly. One thing that Epstein files did do though 11:57.050 --> 11:58.550 is they exonerated Trump completely. 12:01.130 --> 12:03.990 I'm just kidding. We were talking about that 12:03.990 --> 12:05.930 before the show and how fucking stupid 12:05.930 --> 12:07.790 some people are that are claiming that. 12:08.110 --> 12:09.110 I just had to get that in. 12:09.270 --> 12:11.830 But no, man, seriously, like you just said, bros, 12:11.830 --> 12:14.470 Epstein wasn't some top of the pyramid key player, 12:14.470 --> 12:18.570 but he was an intricate part in this elite scheme 12:18.570 --> 12:20.690 to have control over everybody. 12:21.170 --> 12:23.550 For the longest time, the media kind of played him off 12:23.550 --> 12:25.870 as this neat in a little box, 12:26.090 --> 12:27.730 just creepy high society outlier 12:27.730 --> 12:30.510 who just had an affinity for younger women. 12:31.470 --> 12:33.190 But for those of us who was like, 12:33.470 --> 12:36.130 you especially Derek who followed Whitney Webb's work 12:36.750 --> 12:39.450 and she documented all this in One Nation Under Blackmail, 12:39.450 --> 12:42.250 that's a total farce. 12:42.490 --> 12:45.210 The mainstream media's narrative on Epstein. 12:45.670 --> 12:47.610 What's really happening according to Whitney 12:47.610 --> 12:50.430 is there's this meta cartel where intelligence agencies 12:50.430 --> 12:52.690 organize crime, high finance. 12:52.990 --> 12:54.890 They're basically like one giant fused, 12:56.250 --> 12:58.050 made into this giant entity 12:58.050 --> 13:00.270 that's been fused like this for decades 13:00.270 --> 13:04.050 and using sexual blackmail as a tool for global compliance. 13:04.190 --> 13:05.710 That's where Epstein's role was in there. 13:05.710 --> 13:09.370 He got really rich by blackmailing the elite 13:09.370 --> 13:12.290 and being a tool for that through what seems to be 13:12.290 --> 13:14.450 like massage-tied organizations through Israel. 13:15.250 --> 13:19.190 But just this morning on his 66th birthday 13:19.190 --> 13:23.910 of all days, former Prince Andrew was arrested 13:24.770 --> 13:26.090 in the UK. 13:26.650 --> 13:28.630 And what's interesting about that is that 13:28.630 --> 13:31.670 it's not just about the old sexual abuse allegations 13:31.670 --> 13:34.000 that he was pictured with Virginia Gefreus 13:34.000 --> 13:37.460 and there was a lot of different testimonies about him 13:37.460 --> 13:38.400 and everything he paid out. 13:38.860 --> 13:42.320 Virginia Gefreus, I don't know, some untold. 13:42.400 --> 13:44.220 It was not even, I don't think that that was released, 13:44.320 --> 13:45.980 but he paid her out, some untold some. 13:46.920 --> 13:49.260 But the new files, the new release 13:49.260 --> 13:50.700 is what he was arrested for. 13:50.840 --> 13:53.020 It was misconduct in public office. 13:54.220 --> 13:56.840 And he was actually funneling money, 13:57.560 --> 14:00.620 or not money, sorry, confidential UK trade info to Epstein. 14:01.240 --> 14:02.500 And he was caught. 14:03.500 --> 14:05.900 So, you know, Whitney's been sounding this alarm 14:05.900 --> 14:10.380 on Epstein 2.0 and now we're seeing this shift 14:10.380 --> 14:16.540 from the old-school honeypot to this high-tech digital blackmail system. 14:17.300 --> 14:19.400 And that's what I wanted to talk about before the show started. 14:20.020 --> 14:22.640 We're talking AI surveillance, biometric data 14:22.640 --> 14:25.360 and companies like Palantir and Peter Thiel, 14:25.500 --> 14:27.840 who you just brought up, creating a world 14:27.840 --> 14:30.700 where they don't even need video of you 14:30.700 --> 14:32.740 in your bedroom on Epstein Island, right? 14:33.300 --> 14:36.120 Because, you know, their algorithms already have you 14:36.120 --> 14:36.880 in a predictive cage. 14:37.100 --> 14:38.020 They're listening through our phones. 14:38.100 --> 14:39.260 They're watching through our ring cameras. 14:39.420 --> 14:41.100 They're watching basically everything. 14:41.240 --> 14:43.020 They're looking through your monitor on your computer 14:43.020 --> 14:44.000 that has a camera in it. 14:44.240 --> 14:47.200 TVs have been watching us back since the early 2000s. 14:47.220 --> 14:48.700 We know that from WikiLeaks, right? 14:50.020 --> 14:51.720 The surveillance state is in place 14:51.720 --> 14:54.040 and they don't have to do old-school videotapes 14:54.040 --> 14:55.540 with hidden cameras in bedrooms anymore 14:55.540 --> 14:57.340 trying to seek you into these honeypots anymore. 14:57.340 --> 15:01.080 And so, I think that that's what Prince Andrews 15:01.080 --> 15:02.620 or former Prince Andrews arrest shows 15:02.620 --> 15:04.120 is like a death of the old guard 15:04.120 --> 15:06.760 and an usher in of the new guard, right? 15:07.100 --> 15:11.320 So, Gavin, when you see a senior royal like Andrew 15:11.320 --> 15:12.920 finally get picked up, you know, 15:13.400 --> 15:15.820 on the same day that technocracy has rolling out 15:15.820 --> 15:17.400 these total surveillance tools 15:17.400 --> 15:19.600 like with the Super Bowl commercial two weeks ago, 15:19.720 --> 15:21.080 you know, where they're like, 15:21.120 --> 15:22.020 yeah, where's buying on you? 15:22.160 --> 15:22.900 It's to find your dog. 15:23.100 --> 15:24.660 It's not to usher in this 15:24.660 --> 15:26.260 complete technocratic police state. 15:26.260 --> 15:27.940 How do you read this, man? 15:28.060 --> 15:29.920 Is this like a win for accountability 15:29.920 --> 15:32.860 or are we just witnessing what I just said, 15:32.860 --> 15:35.180 which is like an update to the software 15:35.180 --> 15:38.560 sacrificing legacy assets like Prince Andrew 15:38.560 --> 15:41.200 because the technocracy has found 15:41.200 --> 15:44.380 a far more efficient and insidious way 15:44.380 --> 15:46.980 to digitally blackmail us 15:46.980 --> 15:49.920 and the entire world, in fact, into submission? 15:50.800 --> 15:52.540 So, that's a great question, Gavin. 15:52.860 --> 15:54.240 And I think it gets to the heart 15:54.240 --> 15:57.680 of something I'm actually contending with myself 15:57.680 --> 16:02.580 is to what extent is the whole Epstein files release 16:02.580 --> 16:04.260 a win for humanity? 16:04.500 --> 16:06.680 To what extent is it a potential PSY op 16:06.680 --> 16:08.700 or something that can be utilized 16:08.700 --> 16:10.480 for some kind of an agenda, right? 16:11.240 --> 16:14.340 So, I think with Prince Andrew 16:14.340 --> 16:15.640 we can only speculate. 16:16.540 --> 16:18.280 I mean, it's always one thing to say 16:18.280 --> 16:20.080 that this person is going to be brought to justice 16:20.080 --> 16:21.040 and they're going to be arrested. 16:21.800 --> 16:23.040 I mean, let's not forget when Epstein 16:23.040 --> 16:24.940 was arrested, he had... 16:24.940 --> 16:26.500 he was able to leave his cell 16:26.500 --> 16:29.100 and he had this ridiculous plea deal 16:29.620 --> 16:33.320 and so they don't go to jail like the rest of us 16:33.320 --> 16:35.200 and it wouldn't be the first time in history 16:35.200 --> 16:37.700 that something like this has taken place 16:37.700 --> 16:40.800 where you have somebody that is kind of... 16:40.800 --> 16:42.480 I want to say sacrificed in the author 16:42.480 --> 16:44.800 of public outrage, 16:45.320 --> 16:47.540 but you have to give the public something 16:47.540 --> 16:49.020 because at the end of the day 16:49.560 --> 16:51.680 the elitist class, the parasite class 16:51.680 --> 16:53.500 knows something that many of us have forgotten 16:53.500 --> 16:55.400 which is that they really do need us 16:55.400 --> 16:56.600 and we do not need them. 16:57.780 --> 16:59.340 And so if you look at it in the past 16:59.340 --> 17:01.660 let's say World War I, I don't want to digress too much 17:02.520 --> 17:04.020 but the German Kaiser 17:04.720 --> 17:05.820 and the British King 17:06.480 --> 17:08.820 and then the Russians are, they were all cousins 17:09.600 --> 17:12.020 and so when the Kaiser 17:12.020 --> 17:14.360 was allegedly overthrown and brought to justice 17:14.360 --> 17:16.700 I mean, there was a lot of propaganda about the beach from Berlin 17:16.700 --> 17:18.560 and people despised this dude 17:18.560 --> 17:20.060 on a level that may even correspond 17:20.700 --> 17:21.960 at least analogously 17:21.960 --> 17:24.020 to Geoffrey Epstein today 17:24.500 --> 17:26.460 and yet he was... 17:26.460 --> 17:29.260 he lived the rest of his days out very lavishly 17:29.260 --> 17:32.940 so we'll have to just see how that kind of plays out 17:32.940 --> 17:35.300 but as it pertains to 17:35.940 --> 17:39.080 the potential that they're just getting to 17:39.080 --> 17:41.120 or maybe there's a change of God kind of a thing 17:41.740 --> 17:43.660 historically that's a very accurate 17:44.480 --> 17:46.160 and succinct observation then 17:46.160 --> 17:48.600 if you look at let's say like the Roman Empire 17:48.600 --> 17:51.400 I try to always fall back on history 17:51.400 --> 17:53.780 when I'm faced with an uncertain present 17:54.500 --> 17:56.700 because to me history when 17:58.240 --> 18:01.440 assessed as objectively as you possibly can 18:01.440 --> 18:03.540 and you begin to see these synchronicities 18:03.540 --> 18:06.080 and these patterns is sort of a science 18:06.080 --> 18:07.900 for how society operates 18:08.600 --> 18:10.740 for how different ages and generations operate 18:11.900 --> 18:14.440 and if you look at let's say like the Roman Empire 18:14.440 --> 18:17.180 there were various baselifts 18:17.180 --> 18:18.900 there were various structures right 18:18.900 --> 18:22.000 in the very beginning there were kings and queens 18:22.000 --> 18:23.220 and then there was allegedly 18:23.760 --> 18:25.880 like some kind of democratic republic 18:25.880 --> 18:27.060 with a senatorial clause 18:27.060 --> 18:29.060 but it was it turned out to be an oligarchy 18:29.060 --> 18:30.700 but just hiding behind the facade 18:30.700 --> 18:32.400 then you had the empire 18:32.400 --> 18:34.480 you had emperors rise up 18:34.480 --> 18:37.600 then even behind the emperors you had the praetorian gods 18:37.600 --> 18:39.560 they held power for a while 18:39.560 --> 18:41.280 then behind the praetorian god 18:41.280 --> 18:44.120 you started to get so called barbarian 18:44.120 --> 18:46.160 a barbarian's power structure 18:46.160 --> 18:48.440 which is just to say those evil immigrants 18:48.960 --> 18:50.880 but you got those dudes that came in 18:50.880 --> 18:53.080 and then they used the emperor as a figurehead 18:53.080 --> 18:54.920 and so what does this indicate it shows you 18:55.980 --> 18:58.600 that the power structure does indeed change 18:58.600 --> 18:59.940 and I think we all can agree 18:59.940 --> 19:02.100 that we've entered into 19:02.860 --> 19:04.500 a totally different age 19:05.140 --> 19:07.200 which is dominated by technocracy 19:07.200 --> 19:08.760 and the so called tech burrs 19:08.760 --> 19:12.320 and unfortunately the data that they have at their hands 19:12.320 --> 19:14.020 you know like Francis Bacon said 19:14.020 --> 19:15.880 one of the architects of the provable matrix 19:15.880 --> 19:17.520 we currently are living in 19:17.520 --> 19:19.280 knowledge really is power 19:19.280 --> 19:21.220 and that's what data represents 19:21.220 --> 19:22.140 it's knowledge 19:22.740 --> 19:24.320 and so it is possible 19:24.320 --> 19:25.200 it's plausible 19:26.280 --> 19:28.300 that he was sacrificed 19:28.300 --> 19:30.080 because you know 19:30.080 --> 19:31.640 the architects 19:31.640 --> 19:34.260 the power structure is simply changing 19:34.920 --> 19:36.620 and hey he might just be expendable 19:36.620 --> 19:38.300 at the end of the day he wouldn't be the first 19:38.300 --> 19:39.540 I'm sure he won't be the lost 19:39.540 --> 19:41.880 but it's ultimately going to have to just wait 19:41.880 --> 19:42.840 and see how it plays out 19:43.800 --> 19:45.300 yeah man most certainly 19:45.300 --> 19:47.480 and you know it's so interesting 19:47.480 --> 19:50.240 you know particularly when it comes to 19:50.240 --> 19:51.540 you know as you mentioned 19:51.540 --> 19:53.760 sort of looking at the way these things 19:53.760 --> 19:54.840 these power structures 19:55.580 --> 19:57.860 both change and stay the same 19:57.860 --> 19:59.880 over time you know when you compare it to 19:59.880 --> 20:01.620 the Roman Empire and it's 20:01.620 --> 20:04.160 sort of akin to what I've said for a long time 20:04.160 --> 20:04.820 that 20:06.700 --> 20:07.780 these parasites 20:07.780 --> 20:09.420 these predator class 20:09.420 --> 20:11.240 I hesitate to call them 20:11.240 --> 20:12.060 the ruling class 20:12.060 --> 20:14.260 even though that's technically what they are 20:14.260 --> 20:15.620 they seem 20:16.300 --> 20:18.140 so driven by this 20:18.140 --> 20:20.620 this ideology of control 20:20.620 --> 20:22.920 and domination and I mean we see that with Julia 20:22.920 --> 20:24.540 Caesar with Alexander the Great 20:24.540 --> 20:26.280 with Hitler, Boat, you know Napoleon 20:26.280 --> 20:27.580 you know it's just on and on 20:28.180 --> 20:30.580 and yet at the same time 20:31.180 --> 20:31.960 all of these 20:31.960 --> 20:34.660 people pretty much function 20:34.660 --> 20:36.900 as figureheads while there are others 20:36.900 --> 20:38.100 sort of behind the scenes 20:38.780 --> 20:40.240 and you know as you mentioned 20:40.240 --> 20:42.500 with the tech bros 20:42.500 --> 20:44.120 and this new technocratic 20:44.700 --> 20:46.820 technotronic sort of development of this 20:46.820 --> 20:48.740 ideology because I really do think 20:48.740 --> 20:50.320 that technocracy 20:50.320 --> 20:52.840 is just the evolution 20:52.840 --> 20:54.740 of that same ideology that was 20:54.740 --> 20:56.360 controlling Rome 20:56.900 --> 20:59.200 3,000 years ago or however long 20:59.200 --> 21:01.140 but I would like to get 21:01.820 --> 21:03.140 Derek's point of view 21:03.140 --> 21:04.940 on you know the way 21:04.940 --> 21:06.520 that we see things like this 21:06.520 --> 21:09.140 particularly with the dark enlightenment 21:09.140 --> 21:10.880 which is something that Derek has covered 21:10.880 --> 21:12.520 in the past and the way that 21:12.520 --> 21:15.160 sort of the shadowy underbelly 21:15.160 --> 21:16.160 of technocracy 21:16.160 --> 21:18.800 trying to implement these sort of agendas 21:18.800 --> 21:20.840 and power structures 21:20.840 --> 21:22.680 through people like Curtis Jarvan 21:22.680 --> 21:25.140 who I remember in the last podcast 21:25.140 --> 21:27.040 with Gavin I brought up Curtis Jarvan 21:27.040 --> 21:28.800 and you had mentioned Gavin 21:28.800 --> 21:30.180 you hadn't even heard of him yet 21:30.180 --> 21:32.040 so I sent you some of Derek's articles 21:32.040 --> 21:34.240 and so the listeners 21:34.240 --> 21:35.540 who have 21:35.540 --> 21:37.640 maybe never heard that name 21:37.640 --> 21:40.240 or have only heard it but don't really know 21:40.240 --> 21:42.160 the extent to which Jarvan 21:42.160 --> 21:43.760 and this sort of dark enlightenment 21:43.760 --> 21:45.900 ideology behind the scenes plays 21:45.900 --> 21:47.360 into technocracy 21:47.890 --> 21:49.700 Derek could you go into that a little bit? 21:50.660 --> 21:51.820 Yeah absolutely thanks for 21:51.820 --> 21:53.660 thanks for that brother and I definitely 21:53.660 --> 21:56.000 think Curtis Jarvan is an influential character 21:56.000 --> 21:57.880 I mean to the point that he was 21:57.880 --> 21:59.720 interviewed by the New York Times 21:59.720 --> 22:01.480 with a nice glossy 22:01.480 --> 22:03.100 black and white photo 22:03.100 --> 22:05.320 last year in 2025 so it shows 22:05.320 --> 22:06.260 that he's come a long way 22:06.260 --> 22:08.920 I started to learn about him first 22:08.920 --> 22:11.280 because in 2015-2016 22:11.280 --> 22:13.400 if you guys remember Cast your Minds 22:13.400 --> 22:14.780 back a decade I can't believe it 22:14.780 --> 22:17.120 when Trump was first coming onto the scene 22:17.120 --> 22:19.140 you know Trump was first coming onto the scene 22:19.140 --> 22:21.360 there was a lot of libertarian 22:21.360 --> 22:22.920 or freedom minded or even 22:22.920 --> 22:25.340 so-called anarchists who started to 22:25.340 --> 22:26.740 you know go his way 22:26.740 --> 22:28.700 go towards the direction of Trump and at that time 22:28.700 --> 22:30.700 what is now pretty much called MAGA 22:30.700 --> 22:32.420 everybody was calling the alt-right 22:32.420 --> 22:35.040 you know because it was a new thing right it wasn't the Republicans 22:35.040 --> 22:36.640 necessarily they were right leaning 22:36.640 --> 22:38.640 but they were different and even the 22:38.640 --> 22:40.620 original kind of movement around 22:40.620 --> 22:42.400 Trump was being rejected by you guys 22:42.400 --> 22:43.840 remember that like Trump was not 22:43.840 --> 22:46.420 something that any of the party wanted or at least 22:46.420 --> 22:48.000 that's what we saw you know in public 22:48.500 --> 22:50.600 and so it was this whole kind of like out of 22:50.600 --> 22:52.660 nowhere Trump scored this victory and he beat 22:52.660 --> 22:54.600 the old legacy Republican 22:54.600 --> 22:56.700 party and so it was being called 22:56.700 --> 22:58.620 the alt-right at that time and another term 22:58.620 --> 23:00.560 that was going around that sort of 23:00.560 --> 23:02.480 was the name for at least 23:02.480 --> 23:04.300 a subgroup that was part of that 23:04.300 --> 23:06.740 emerging alt-right was the neo-reactionaries 23:07.220 --> 23:08.740 or as Don said the dark 23:08.740 --> 23:10.780 enlightenment and that really came 23:10.780 --> 23:12.240 from two writers 23:12.240 --> 23:14.340 the one I focus on is Curtis Yavin 23:14.340 --> 23:16.600 and then Nicholas Land who's from the UK 23:16.600 --> 23:18.600 and Curtis Yavin had been 23:18.600 --> 23:20.540 writing this blog for 23:20.540 --> 23:22.460 years at that point I think since the mid 23:22.460 --> 23:24.580 to early 2000s under the name 23:24.580 --> 23:26.780 Mencius Moldbug that was his 23:27.640 --> 23:28.520 pseudonym and 23:29.460 --> 23:30.420 he's kind of a troll 23:30.420 --> 23:32.320 but he was also a trollish 23:32.320 --> 23:34.440 intellectual at least that's how he views himself 23:34.440 --> 23:36.220 as some kind of intellectual 23:37.140 --> 23:38.520 and the only reason 23:38.520 --> 23:40.540 I even started to learn about him is because again I could see 23:40.540 --> 23:42.020 that there was this creeping 23:42.020 --> 23:43.360 sort of 23:44.620 --> 23:46.420 entryism as some people call it into the 23:46.420 --> 23:48.240 libertarian freedom movement which I cared 23:48.240 --> 23:50.640 and do care deeply about at the time 23:50.640 --> 23:52.720 and just like what the heck is going on why are these people 23:52.720 --> 23:54.560 going in this direction some of these people all of a 23:54.560 --> 23:56.880 sudden are turning into white nationalists 23:56.880 --> 23:58.320 or straight out authoritarians 23:58.320 --> 24:00.360 or whatever and you know Trump was 24:00.360 --> 24:02.940 part of the reason but there was something underneath it 24:02.940 --> 24:04.120 and so I actually wrote an essay 24:04.640 --> 24:06.400 at that time I think it came out in 2016 24:06.400 --> 24:08.540 or 2017 called removing the alt-right 24:08.540 --> 24:10.640 infection from the libertarian movement and as 24:10.640 --> 24:12.640 I started to investigate like where are these ideas 24:12.640 --> 24:14.660 coming from you eventually get to 24:14.660 --> 24:16.540 Curtis Yavin and his neo-reactionaries 24:16.540 --> 24:18.600 is dark enlightenment and there was people 24:18.600 --> 24:20.380 like I know Jason 24:20.380 --> 24:22.300 and Matt you guys don't remember I can't remember 24:22.300 --> 24:23.740 this freaking name anymore but Chris 24:24.760 --> 24:26.520 some Chris raving guy 24:26.520 --> 24:28.480 used to be part of the libertarian movement and he 24:28.480 --> 24:30.240 he went full on alt-right 24:30.240 --> 24:32.100 and he kind of got the nickname the crying Nazi 24:32.100 --> 24:33.800 because he was like marching with these people 24:33.800 --> 24:37.260 you can't remember that clown 24:37.260 --> 24:39.260 so he was one of the people 24:39.260 --> 24:41.000 greatly influenced by this person 24:41.000 --> 24:42.920 and by Curtis Yavin and again 24:42.920 --> 24:44.740 he was mostly known as Mencius Molde 24:44.740 --> 24:46.060 but he started to 24:46.060 --> 24:48.200 he talked about essentially having 24:48.200 --> 24:50.120 like a monarchy that we 24:50.120 --> 24:52.080 you know there was like the benefits of having 24:52.080 --> 24:54.120 a monarchy were better than any kind of libertarianism 24:54.940 --> 24:56.260 and he describes this 24:56.260 --> 24:58.120 sort of essentially it's a type of 24:58.120 --> 24:59.880 technocracy you know like a corporate world 24:59.880 --> 25:02.200 where there is this dictatorial 25:02.200 --> 25:04.100 monarchy and he you know he's like a 25:04.100 --> 25:05.600 lot of fascists and authoritarians 25:05.600 --> 25:08.160 he frames it with fluffy philosophical language 25:08.160 --> 25:09.880 to try to justify but at the end of the day 25:09.880 --> 25:11.800 it's freaking authoritarianism it's like 25:11.800 --> 25:13.640 domination right there's not freedom 25:13.640 --> 25:15.700 it's not individual liberty it's none of those 25:15.700 --> 25:17.700 concepts it's all about domination 25:18.440 --> 25:19.720 and yeah so that's when I 25:19.720 --> 25:21.540 first started to learn about him just seeing the influence 25:21.540 --> 25:23.800 that he was having on some libertarians 25:23.800 --> 25:25.600 at that time and I 25:25.600 --> 25:27.800 kind of kept my eye on him here and there over the years 25:27.800 --> 25:29.720 but for the most part you know just kind of forgot 25:29.720 --> 25:31.660 about him and then as Trump 25:31.660 --> 25:33.220 is preparing for his second run 25:33.940 --> 25:35.740 and as J.D. Vance is coming 25:35.740 --> 25:37.640 into the picture of course J.D. Vance 25:37.640 --> 25:39.820 we know was greatly influenced 25:39.820 --> 25:41.740 by Peter Teal he says that 25:41.740 --> 25:43.760 it was Peter Teal's commencement speech 25:43.760 --> 25:45.500 at the Yale graduation 25:45.500 --> 25:47.620 when Vance was graduating that like 25:47.620 --> 25:49.440 changed his life and that immediately after that 25:49.440 --> 25:50.980 he went to go work with Peter Teal 25:50.980 --> 25:53.320 and of course Peter Teal has been revealed 25:53.320 --> 25:54.860 like during the first Trump administration 25:54.860 --> 25:57.140 the first I think 2016 election night 25:57.740 --> 25:59.400 some of Peter Teal's texts got leaked 25:59.400 --> 26:00.860 or Curtis Jarvin's one of their choose 26:00.860 --> 26:02.800 and Peter Teal is basically 26:02.800 --> 26:05.140 telling Curtis Jarvin Trump's one of us 26:05.140 --> 26:06.700 he's just good at keeping it under cover 26:06.700 --> 26:09.180 and then Curtis Jarvin kind of celebrating 26:09.180 --> 26:11.060 the election of Trump but ultimately 26:11.060 --> 26:13.320 Curtis Jarvin felt Trump didn't go far 26:13.320 --> 26:14.760 enough he wasn't enough of an authoritarian 26:15.540 --> 26:16.780 but now in the second 26:16.780 --> 26:18.620 this you know second administration 26:19.070 --> 26:21.120 with J.D. Vance in there who's coming under 26:21.120 --> 26:23.280 the influence of Peter Teal and Peter Teal 26:23.280 --> 26:25.180 who's been influenced very greatly by 26:25.180 --> 26:27.980 Curtis Jarvin. Curtis Jarvin is now 26:27.980 --> 26:29.480 this sort of 26:29.480 --> 26:30.980 you know hot philosopher 26:30.980 --> 26:32.900 guy who is 26:32.900 --> 26:35.060 being invited to all the MAGA parties 26:35.060 --> 26:37.060 I mean I just encourage anybody who's never heard from 26:37.060 --> 26:39.020 the search articles that came out in 2025 26:39.020 --> 26:41.160 like I said glowing profile 26:41.160 --> 26:42.480 from the New York Times and others 26:42.480 --> 26:44.860 even though they're sort of treating him critically it's like 26:44.860 --> 26:46.720 if they were really afraid 26:46.720 --> 26:49.660 or didn't like these ideas then they wouldn't be giving this guy a front page 26:49.660 --> 26:51.200 you know photo shoot 26:51.200 --> 26:52.680 and everything to go out there and talk about 26:52.680 --> 26:54.800 his crappy authoritarian ideas 26:54.800 --> 26:56.980 but on one hand I understand 26:56.980 --> 26:58.680 why because the reality is that 26:58.680 --> 27:01.320 many apparently many young staffers 27:01.320 --> 27:02.460 within Trump's administration 27:02.920 --> 27:04.440 are Curtis Jarvin fans 27:04.440 --> 27:06.500 and while Trump may have never met him 27:06.500 --> 27:08.360 directly as far as we've known at least nothing 27:08.360 --> 27:10.680 publicly Trump obviously has been influenced 27:10.680 --> 27:12.400 by people who have been influenced 27:12.400 --> 27:14.600 by him including J.D. Vance, Peter Teal 27:14.600 --> 27:16.500 Steve Bannon knows who he is as well 27:16.500 --> 27:18.500 and others and so he's kind of become 27:18.500 --> 27:20.780 this underground philosopher for the edgy 27:20.780 --> 27:22.600 MAGA right that 27:22.600 --> 27:24.340 has become increased in the influential 27:24.340 --> 27:26.340 and so his vision of the world is 27:26.340 --> 27:28.240 it lines up perfectly with technocracy 27:28.240 --> 27:30.320 and with this sort of authoritarianism 27:30.320 --> 27:32.500 he calls it like gov tech you know that you would have 27:32.500 --> 27:34.460 this corporate king basically the monarch 27:36.020 --> 27:36.580 overseeing 27:36.580 --> 27:38.900 everything and yeah he continues to be 27:38.900 --> 27:40.600 influential and I don't think he's going away 27:41.540 --> 27:42.440 right great 27:42.440 --> 27:44.540 points and that does seem to be 27:44.540 --> 27:46.500 the case this all seems to be going in the 27:46.500 --> 27:48.180 same direction and you know 27:48.180 --> 27:50.560 we're going to talk about influential figures 27:50.560 --> 27:52.740 who were maybe right leaning 27:52.740 --> 27:54.340 who've really influenced 27:54.340 --> 27:56.500 the liberty movement obviously we need to 27:56.500 --> 27:58.680 talk about Elon Musk right 27:58.680 --> 28:00.420 I'm sure this is a whole can of worms 28:00.420 --> 28:01.760 that will be opening here but 28:02.260 --> 28:04.300 you know he's obviously part of this 28:04.300 --> 28:06.520 incrementalism he's also had the influence 28:06.520 --> 28:08.200 over the right leaning 28:08.200 --> 28:10.680 liberty sphere and I would suggest 28:10.680 --> 28:11.980 one of the biggest influences 28:11.980 --> 28:13.600 to really help push 28:14.320 --> 28:16.340 Trump into the position of winning the 28:16.340 --> 28:17.560 second term that he 28:18.200 --> 28:20.420 ended up winning so I mean it was 28:20.420 --> 28:22.540 the he bought acts the whole free speech 28:22.540 --> 28:24.200 framing things he really 28:24.200 --> 28:26.260 posed himself as being this anti-regulation 28:26.260 --> 28:27.580 kind of pro innovation 28:28.120 --> 28:29.680 stalwart somebody who was really 28:29.680 --> 28:31.700 you know trying to stick 28:31.700 --> 28:33.500 up for things like free speech for the 28:33.500 --> 28:35.260 liberty movement obviously 28:35.260 --> 28:37.260 our colleague James Corbett did some 28:37.260 --> 28:39.740 pretty interesting work documenting how 28:39.740 --> 28:41.260 in the early 2000s 28:41.260 --> 28:43.140 Musk was given this kind of platform 28:43.140 --> 28:44.940 all of a sudden out of nowhere even though 28:44.940 --> 28:46.720 there was other Silicon Valley 28:46.720 --> 28:48.600 entrepreneurs who were also doing similar 28:48.600 --> 28:50.380 things but out of nowhere he kind of gets 28:50.380 --> 28:52.680 the spotlight put on him and he gets 28:52.680 --> 28:54.660 framed as this tech visionary right 28:54.660 --> 28:56.200 you know when you start looking at 28:56.200 --> 28:58.500 Elon Musk's family background especially 28:58.500 --> 29:00.480 connections to the technocratic 29:00.480 --> 29:02.340 circles and the influence networks 29:02.340 --> 29:04.700 I was wondering if you guys could maybe 29:04.700 --> 29:06.720 explain how his role 29:06.720 --> 29:09.160 fits into the broader technocratic agenda 29:09.160 --> 29:10.880 it's not just the innovation 29:10.880 --> 29:12.460 right it's the AI 29:12.460 --> 29:13.860 it's the neural interfaces 29:14.560 --> 29:16.600 the space technologies it's all part of 29:16.600 --> 29:18.680 like a larger system of control so 29:18.680 --> 29:20.860 how does Elon fit into this 29:20.860 --> 29:22.440 and his family's background 29:23.260 --> 29:25.120 he's saving the day he's Ironman right 29:26.960 --> 29:28.800 you know in terms of Musk 29:28.800 --> 29:31.060 I joke about him being Ironman 29:31.060 --> 29:32.160 because unfortunately 29:32.700 --> 29:34.220 much like Trump there's a 29:34.220 --> 29:36.880 there's a I think a realistic schism 29:36.880 --> 29:38.460 maybe it's less and less these days 29:38.460 --> 29:40.680 but if you're on Twitter X like it's obvious 29:40.680 --> 29:42.720 there's a schism of people who think 29:42.720 --> 29:44.480 that Elon is the you know the 29:44.480 --> 29:46.440 greatest thing ever even if they're 29:46.440 --> 29:48.180 critical of Trump there's some people who seem to be like 29:48.180 --> 29:50.020 yeah but Elon you know he's saving the world 29:50.020 --> 29:51.960 and we're gonna go to Mars and 29:51.960 --> 29:54.040 he's doing all this stuff and I 29:54.040 --> 29:56.180 I know I've seen the free thought project 29:56.180 --> 29:58.120 version or probably from you Jason I'm sure 29:58.120 --> 29:59.840 around one of y'all's pages of the 29:59.840 --> 30:02.020 sort of here's all the things Elon talks 30:02.020 --> 30:03.800 about compared to the things Klaus Schwab 30:03.800 --> 30:05.260 says and you can kind of see the 30:05.260 --> 30:07.800 the direct correlations and like similarities 30:07.800 --> 30:10.000 like promoting transhumanism promoting 30:10.000 --> 30:11.100 brain ships promoting 30:11.760 --> 30:13.980 UBI all this sort of stuff so to 30:13.980 --> 30:16.000 me it's quite obvious like where he 30:16.000 --> 30:17.980 stands I think he plays a good role 30:17.980 --> 30:19.740 and obviously there's people are complex 30:19.740 --> 30:21.900 there might be some areas where he could say okay he said 30:21.900 --> 30:24.120 a good thing and that's great but overall 30:24.120 --> 30:25.920 I think he it's clear he serves the 30:25.920 --> 30:27.900 same agendas and walks among 30:27.900 --> 30:29.980 these same people he is a modern technocrat 30:29.980 --> 30:31.800 and I don't think it's a small 30:32.400 --> 30:34.000 factor I mean it's a historical 30:34.000 --> 30:36.060 oddity or just an interesting footnote 30:36.060 --> 30:37.260 but I do think it's relevant 30:37.960 --> 30:39.560 that his grandfather 30:39.560 --> 30:41.960 was directly Joshua Hadelman was 30:41.960 --> 30:43.340 directly involved in the 30:44.260 --> 30:46.100 historical technocracy movement in 30:46.100 --> 30:48.340 Canada and that doesn't 30:48.340 --> 30:49.380 you know I'm not one that believes 30:49.380 --> 30:51.260 the sins of the father the son 30:51.780 --> 30:54.020 or the grandfather in this case so I'm not 30:54.020 --> 30:55.960 trying to say because his grand paul 30:55.960 --> 30:57.740 was up to some shady stuff he automatically 30:57.740 --> 30:59.980 is but I think when you put that in context 30:59.980 --> 31:01.860 of what we know about his activities 31:01.860 --> 31:03.940 and some of the reporting I focused 31:03.940 --> 31:06.060 on his terms of the military industrial complex 31:06.060 --> 31:08.180 stuff it's quite easy to see 31:08.180 --> 31:09.420 where he stands so 31:09.900 --> 31:11.900 his grandfather was part of the social 31:11.900 --> 31:14.000 credit party he was a big advocate 31:14.000 --> 31:15.960 of technocracy and there's he was arrested 31:15.960 --> 31:17.440 and at that time as well 31:17.920 --> 31:20.180 because technocracy had its moment and had its heyday 31:20.180 --> 31:21.600 but also there was times where 31:21.600 --> 31:23.180 towards the end where it definitely was not 31:23.840 --> 31:26.260 well received and people started to reject it 31:26.260 --> 31:27.960 and the interesting thing just sidebar 31:27.960 --> 31:29.780 real quick the technocrats I mean they did have 31:29.780 --> 31:31.800 a big enough moment to where you can find 31:32.340 --> 31:33.860 videos and photo evidence 31:33.860 --> 31:36.400 of them having a parade through New York City 31:36.400 --> 31:38.220 and they're dressed in these like 31:38.680 --> 31:40.080 I mean I don't really know 31:40.080 --> 31:41.860 how else to say it other than Nazi 31:41.860 --> 31:43.500 like kind of uniforms 31:43.500 --> 31:45.580 I mean it's sort of what they look they're definitely military 31:45.580 --> 31:48.060 style it's all gray and drab interestingly 31:48.060 --> 31:49.920 like the colors of technocracy 31:49.920 --> 31:51.680 was gray like they just wanted to be like 31:51.680 --> 31:53.900 you know just unappealing simple 31:53.900 --> 31:55.480 whatever I think it's kind of part of their mindset 31:55.480 --> 31:57.680 but they were marching through the streets of New York 31:57.680 --> 31:59.760 hundreds if not thousands of people they had 31:59.760 --> 32:01.560 clubs and groups all around 32:01.560 --> 32:04.080 the United States and Canada and some of it did extend 32:04.080 --> 32:06.000 to Europe so there's 32:06.000 --> 32:07.800 you know they really were a relevant 32:07.800 --> 32:09.860 movement and Elon's grandfather comes from 32:09.860 --> 32:11.920 that movement we don't have a lot of 32:11.920 --> 32:13.840 data on what his 32:13.840 --> 32:15.920 relationship was with his grandfather you know if he ever 32:15.920 --> 32:18.100 did sit down and talk with his grandpa about technocracy 32:18.100 --> 32:19.860 that kind of thing if the torch was officially 32:19.860 --> 32:21.940 passed we don't know that but I think 32:21.940 --> 32:23.860 again it's clear by how 32:23.860 --> 32:25.700 he operates how he partners 32:25.700 --> 32:27.860 I mean he was there's that kind of 32:27.860 --> 32:29.500 famous picture of him and Peter Teal 32:29.500 --> 32:31.800 20 years ago when they're holding 32:31.800 --> 32:33.960 like a PayPal card because they both 32:33.960 --> 32:36.040 were involved in the funding of PayPal as well as other 32:36.040 --> 32:38.000 other companies but 32:38.000 --> 32:40.160 one piece of the puzzle that I'll just add before 32:40.160 --> 32:42.160 we move forward that I wrote about maybe two or 32:42.160 --> 32:43.880 three years ago at the last American Bagobon 32:43.880 --> 32:45.780 is a program that 32:45.780 --> 32:48.160 that Elon has been involved in specifically 32:48.160 --> 32:49.940 to put satellites around 32:49.940 --> 32:52.160 the world like that you know and not that's 32:52.160 --> 32:53.700 not something completely new 32:53.700 --> 32:55.920 but satellites working specifically with 32:55.920 --> 32:58.300 I think it's the national geospatial 32:58.300 --> 32:59.140 agency 32:59.140 --> 33:01.720 the US government agency that deals with 33:01.720 --> 33:03.800 satellite intelligence and 33:03.800 --> 33:06.040 you know part of this is 33:06.040 --> 33:08.160 through Starlink which I know a lot of people 33:08.160 --> 33:10.040 maybe even some people on this call a lot of 33:10.040 --> 33:11.980 people use and I don't you know 33:11.980 --> 33:14.040 fault people for that I try to avoid 33:14.040 --> 33:16.060 Elon's products personally but I understand 33:16.060 --> 33:17.960 like it's a useful tool right I mean it helps 33:17.960 --> 33:20.020 people in the middle of nowhere get internet 33:20.020 --> 33:22.200 but the sad fact of that 33:22.200 --> 33:23.680 reality is that 33:24.260 --> 33:26.220 Starlink is just the public facing 33:26.220 --> 33:28.200 side of this 33:28.200 --> 33:30.040 other program which is called 33:30.040 --> 33:32.060 Starshield and using 33:32.060 --> 33:34.040 the Starlink satellites which Elon 33:34.040 --> 33:36.200 is shooting out and you know around the 33:36.200 --> 33:37.760 planet to help people get internet 33:37.760 --> 33:40.160 the US military is picking back 33:40.160 --> 33:41.800 he piggybacking on all those antennas 33:41.800 --> 33:43.980 and all those satellites for 33:43.980 --> 33:45.660 the Starshield program and 33:45.660 --> 33:48.020 basically he's helping them build this giant 33:48.020 --> 33:50.000 like surveillance infrastructure 33:50.000 --> 33:51.320 even probably the biggest 33:52.040 --> 33:54.320 satellite surveillance infrastructure the world has ever seen 33:54.320 --> 33:56.180 and the only thing we really know 33:56.180 --> 33:58.000 about this is there was a 1.8 billion 33:58.000 --> 33:59.680 dollar contract with them from 2021 33:59.680 --> 34:02.000 between SpaceX, Elon, SpaceX 34:02.000 --> 34:04.120 and the US government as I said 34:04.120 --> 34:06.040 at first it was like a secret but then 34:06.040 --> 34:08.160 eventually it came out it was actually the National Reconnaissance 34:08.160 --> 34:10.140 Office so I think I misspoke 34:10.140 --> 34:11.980 earlier so they were the ones behind 34:11.980 --> 34:13.860 that and as I started to dig into this 34:13.860 --> 34:15.900 and try to find like okay there's very little details 34:15.900 --> 34:18.040 on it we know the contract exists we know 34:18.040 --> 34:20.020 that there's a partnership there we 34:20.020 --> 34:21.900 don't know exactly what it's doing we know the US 34:21.900 --> 34:23.560 military is gonna piggyback on 34:24.500 --> 34:25.720 Starlink I started 34:25.720 --> 34:27.840 to find quotes from the director 34:27.840 --> 34:29.740 of the NRO his name is Christopher Scalise 34:30.180 --> 34:31.560 and he was talking at 34:31.560 --> 34:33.940 an event called this for the Center for Strategic 34:33.940 --> 34:35.600 and International Studies talking 34:35.600 --> 34:37.860 about how the NRO is going to use these satellites 34:37.860 --> 34:39.880 that have been provided to them by 34:39.880 --> 34:41.440 SpaceX and his quote was 34:41.440 --> 34:43.700 from last June to December this year we 34:43.700 --> 34:45.620 will have probably launched 100 satellites 34:45.620 --> 34:47.700 this is a couple years ago now so we 34:47.700 --> 34:49.780 are going from the demo phase to the operational 34:49.780 --> 34:51.560 phase we're really going to be able to start 34:51.560 --> 34:53.820 testing this stuff out in a more operational way 34:53.820 --> 34:55.740 and here's the key part he says 34:55.740 --> 34:57.500 what are they going to be doing they're part of the 34:57.500 --> 34:59.580 proliferated architecture to go off 34:59.580 --> 35:01.580 of it and get us reasonably high high 35:01.580 --> 35:03.560 resolution imagery of the earth at a high 35:03.560 --> 35:05.760 rate of speed now you can't 35:05.760 --> 35:07.700 hide because you're constantly being looked 35:07.700 --> 35:09.540 at that's the head of the organization 35:09.540 --> 35:11.500 that Elon's company is partnering with to build 35:11.500 --> 35:13.520 this massive satellite 35:13.520 --> 35:15.780 surveillance infrastructure and that's just to me one example 35:15.780 --> 35:17.000 of how for one 35:17.000 --> 35:19.380 like many billionaires and business people 35:19.380 --> 35:21.060 he doesn't have any qualms about 35:21.060 --> 35:23.260 morality when it comes to business you know 35:23.260 --> 35:25.480 he might try to portray himself as an independent 35:25.480 --> 35:27.840 person but really the technocrats 35:27.840 --> 35:29.720 are simply just the latest generation 35:29.720 --> 35:31.540 of military industrial 35:31.540 --> 35:33.840 complex contractors they've explicitly stated 35:33.840 --> 35:35.360 Palantir and other companies 35:35.360 --> 35:37.340 Andriel and SpaceX 35:37.340 --> 35:39.520 they've made it clear they have a partnership 35:39.520 --> 35:41.560 that they want to replace the Northrop Grumman 35:41.560 --> 35:43.780 the previous the Raytheons 35:43.780 --> 35:45.560 and others they're still out there but they're 35:45.560 --> 35:47.680 not nearly as relevant as they were 20 years 35:47.680 --> 35:49.760 ago now it's these new technocrats 35:49.760 --> 35:51.600 big technocrat companies that are 35:51.600 --> 35:53.780 you know are the military industrial complex 35:53.780 --> 35:55.420 generation leading the way 35:55.420 --> 35:57.680 and Elon is a big part of that 35:57.680 --> 35:59.620 so even if you don't get into conspiracies about 36:00.460 --> 36:01.800 technocracy or whatever else 36:01.800 --> 36:03.540 like to me everything about the guy 36:03.540 --> 36:05.180 says the opposite of freedom 36:06.400 --> 36:07.920 Yeah I agree man 36:08.680 --> 36:09.480 100% 36:10.640 --> 36:11.600 and this 36:11.600 --> 36:13.520 conversation thus far it's 36:13.520 --> 36:15.100 it's bringing me back to this 36:15.640 --> 36:17.760 Ron Paul interview quote I just saw 36:17.760 --> 36:19.540 recently how he said that there's been a coup 36:19.540 --> 36:21.820 in the United States and it happened on the day 36:21.820 --> 36:23.080 that Kennedy was assassinated 36:23.820 --> 36:25.840 and man once you once you zoom 36:25.840 --> 36:27.600 out and look at all this stuff that's being 36:27.600 --> 36:29.700 put into place the complete unaccountable 36:29.700 --> 36:31.560 nature of government and everything as a whole 36:31.560 --> 36:33.500 it seems he was right in that 36:33.500 --> 36:35.540 you know it's it's pretty crazy and it 36:35.540 --> 36:37.560 can get pretty defeating and 36:37.560 --> 36:39.920 and make people easily take that black 36:39.920 --> 36:41.780 pill but not us here at the free thought project 36:41.780 --> 36:43.760 right so Gavin as 36:43.760 --> 36:45.640 we've said for like the last eight times 36:45.640 --> 36:47.620 on here you're you're basically 36:47.620 --> 36:49.960 like a walking encyclopedia for receipts 36:49.960 --> 36:52.040 on this stuff man so I want to bridge the gap 36:52.040 --> 36:53.660 between what we were just talking about 36:53.660 --> 36:56.000 and and and what you're going to go into 36:56.000 --> 36:58.080 right so basically your research 36:58.080 --> 36:59.820 and and your book that people can go 36:59.820 --> 37:01.800 download for free online is called a history 37:01.800 --> 37:03.620 of elitism world government and population 37:03.620 --> 37:06.360 control among other things it does track 37:06.360 --> 37:08.040 how the 20th century eugenics movement 37:08.040 --> 37:09.840 funded by like these the same big 37:09.840 --> 37:11.700 foundations who around today like Rockefeller 37:11.700 --> 37:14.040 and Carnegie you know it wasn't about 37:14.040 --> 37:15.700 health it was about a lead 37:15.700 --> 37:17.340 obsession with managing the human herd 37:17.340 --> 37:19.840 essentially and we basically 37:19.840 --> 37:21.720 you know stopped 37:21.720 --> 37:23.120 measuring skulls 37:23.120 --> 37:25.260 you know if we fast forward to today 37:25.260 --> 37:27.480 and the scientific elitist 37:27.480 --> 37:29.740 goals has been have been rebranded 37:29.740 --> 37:31.380 as technocracy from eugenics 37:31.380 --> 37:33.560 and you know instead of the 37:33.560 --> 37:35.500 instead of the four sterilizations 37:35.500 --> 37:37.500 and all this crazy shit that we used to do 37:37.500 --> 37:39.560 to people it's basically this 37:39.560 --> 37:41.060 high tech 37:41.060 --> 37:43.320 digital grid biometric IDs 37:43.320 --> 37:44.880 and social credit scores and 37:44.880 --> 37:47.060 AI surveillance I mean it feels 37:47.060 --> 37:48.220 like the definition of 37:48.880 --> 37:50.980 unfit you know has simply shifted 37:50.980 --> 37:52.700 from you know your bloodline 37:52.700 --> 37:54.920 or your heritage to your refusal 37:54.920 --> 37:56.560 to submit to this centralized 37:56.560 --> 37:58.700 algorithmic system so 37:58.700 --> 38:00.660 consider me unfit right consider everybody 38:00.660 --> 38:02.480 on this on this podcast right now 38:02.480 --> 38:04.820 unfit but I mean based on 38:04.820 --> 38:06.580 your work right this is like 38:06.580 --> 38:09.220 is this modern technocratic 38:09.220 --> 38:10.640 shift like the final software 38:10.640 --> 38:12.240 update for the big eugenics movement 38:12.240 --> 38:14.280 how does this all tie 38:14.280 --> 38:16.400 in to the historical context 38:16.400 --> 38:18.080 of these people who 38:18.080 --> 38:20.080 essentially pull the strings on every government 38:20.080 --> 38:21.740 across the world for so long to 38:22.240 --> 38:24.200 because they want to usher 38:24.200 --> 38:26.020 in their vision 38:26.020 --> 38:27.100 of humanity 38:27.740 --> 38:29.540 so there is a lot on that 38:29.540 --> 38:32.280 but I would say that 38:32.280 --> 38:34.260 so transhumanism 38:34.260 --> 38:36.000 right it was actually 38:36.000 --> 38:38.160 coined by a prolific eugenics 38:38.160 --> 38:39.320 which was Julian Huxley 38:39.320 --> 38:40.520 artist Huxley's brother 38:41.020 --> 38:42.880 when people read like 38:42.880 --> 38:44.220 Brave New World they think that 38:44.220 --> 38:47.060 he's just coming up with this clever analogy 38:47.060 --> 38:48.760 and imaginative 38:49.320 --> 38:51.120 concept the reality 38:51.120 --> 38:53.620 he was very close to the machinery 38:53.620 --> 38:55.520 that would invariably 38:55.520 --> 38:57.260 kick-start the program that would 38:57.260 --> 38:59.020 move towards technocracy and 38:59.020 --> 39:01.100 move towards transhumanism so Julian 39:01.100 --> 39:02.940 actually he was the president 39:02.940 --> 39:04.720 of the British eugenics society 39:05.320 --> 39:06.880 and once 39:06.880 --> 39:09.200 the face mask of what eugenics 39:09.200 --> 39:10.900 started to slip off 39:10.900 --> 39:13.000 the analogy I like to use is eugenics 39:13.000 --> 39:14.360 during its time 39:14.630 --> 39:16.660 because it was repounded 39:16.660 --> 39:19.060 by Nobel Prize winners 39:19.060 --> 39:21.220 by prominent politicians 39:21.220 --> 39:22.800 and even presidents 39:22.800 --> 39:25.020 Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson 39:25.020 --> 39:27.200 Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill 39:27.200 --> 39:29.280 so-called feminists 39:29.280 --> 39:30.920 Margaret Sanger 39:30.920 --> 39:32.000 and Marie Stopes 39:32.830 --> 39:34.760 even wrote poems to Hitler 39:34.760 --> 39:36.800 she was lauding over him so much 39:36.800 --> 39:38.420 and so it was 39:39.340 --> 39:40.420 one of the 39:40.420 --> 39:42.600 probably only times 39:42.600 --> 39:43.820 in history 39:44.680 --> 39:46.300 where the face mask 39:46.300 --> 39:48.680 and this is where I want to also get into the 39:48.680 --> 39:50.500 ideology I'll invariably build into that 39:50.500 --> 39:52.680 of elitism where the face mask 39:52.680 --> 39:55.220 of the people that abide by elitism 39:55.220 --> 39:56.520 began to slip off 39:56.520 --> 39:58.200 so these people 39:58.760 --> 40:00.740 who again we're talking about world leaders 40:00.740 --> 40:01.660 we're talking about 40:01.660 --> 40:03.700 founders of universities 40:03.700 --> 40:04.640 William Welch 40:04.640 --> 40:06.480 of the John Hopkins University 40:06.480 --> 40:07.940 the founder of Stanford University 40:07.940 --> 40:10.240 I mean the rap sheet of the people 40:10.240 --> 40:11.940 that advocated eugenics 40:11.940 --> 40:14.160 which to be unambiguously clear guys 40:14.160 --> 40:16.120 I've said it before and I'll say it over and over 40:16.120 --> 40:18.680 because it doesn't get put in its proper context 40:19.420 --> 40:21.160 it's a genocidal ideology 40:21.160 --> 40:23.480 what transpired in Nazi Germany 40:23.480 --> 40:25.660 was just an extreme expression of that 40:25.660 --> 40:27.180 but the founding father 40:27.180 --> 40:28.640 which was Francis Galton 40:28.640 --> 40:30.060 he used to caution just be 40:30.430 --> 40:32.880 just go slowly we can't do this too fast 40:32.880 --> 40:34.000 and so Hitler 40:34.530 --> 40:36.720 went a little bit too crazy and he showed 40:36.720 --> 40:38.520 the world what eugenics was really about 40:38.520 --> 40:39.880 and so 40:40.570 --> 40:42.140 the face mask began to come off 40:42.140 --> 40:45.180 and it's wild to contemplate today 40:45.180 --> 40:45.940 but back then 40:46.510 --> 40:48.520 through for example the funding 40:48.520 --> 40:51.220 of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller Jr. 40:52.080 --> 40:52.890 and E. H. Harriman's 40:53.160 --> 40:54.920 widow Mary Averell Harriman 40:54.920 --> 40:57.520 the mother of the infamous Harriman brothers 40:57.520 --> 40:59.060 they funded 40:59.060 --> 41:01.760 Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory 41:01.760 --> 41:03.140 which 41:03.140 --> 41:05.780 specifically gave rise to something called 41:05.780 --> 41:07.320 the eugenics record office 41:07.320 --> 41:09.540 the eugenics records office 41:09.540 --> 41:11.760 was the apex 41:11.760 --> 41:13.560 of the danger 41:13.560 --> 41:16.180 of what technocracy represents 41:16.180 --> 41:17.120 at least in the US 41:17.120 --> 41:20.440 and so what they did through this institution 41:20.440 --> 41:21.600 was 41:21.600 --> 41:23.360 they started to collect data 41:23.360 --> 41:25.120 on American citizens 41:25.120 --> 41:27.140 and so they sent out these 41:27.140 --> 41:29.220 women, these young attractive women 41:29.220 --> 41:31.360 and they just went and they gave people questionnaires 41:31.360 --> 41:32.900 and they collected data 41:32.900 --> 41:33.860 for the people who 41:34.600 --> 41:37.360 don't fully appreciate what the data is 41:37.360 --> 41:38.940 let me just put in layman terms guys 41:38.940 --> 41:40.860 it's information about you 41:41.400 --> 41:42.580 knowledge about you 41:42.580 --> 41:44.300 it's insight about you 41:44.300 --> 41:46.780 it's awareness, it's knowledge and knowledge 41:46.780 --> 41:48.420 can be weaponized 41:48.980 --> 41:50.940 and so what they did is they sent out these women 41:50.940 --> 41:52.000 and these women came back 41:52.000 --> 41:53.700 with all of this data 41:53.700 --> 41:55.780 and what they decided 41:55.780 --> 41:57.760 the leadership of the eugenics record office 41:58.360 --> 42:00.160 was as phase one 42:00.160 --> 42:00.860 of their plan 42:02.480 --> 42:04.420 15 million Americans 42:04.420 --> 42:05.940 which was 10% 42:05.940 --> 42:07.480 of the population at the time 42:08.000 --> 42:09.660 had to be sterilized 42:09.660 --> 42:11.740 that's what happened when data 42:11.740 --> 42:14.280 is in the hands of the elitists 42:14.280 --> 42:15.820 and this was 42:15.820 --> 42:17.740 considered okay, it's prestigious 42:17.740 --> 42:18.980 it's a Rockefeller foundation 42:18.980 --> 42:20.160 is funding this 42:20.160 --> 42:22.100 Andrew Carnegie has funded this 42:22.100 --> 42:24.420 you can find old newspaper clippings about this 42:24.980 --> 42:26.440 so this information 42:26.900 --> 42:28.960 from the eugenics record office to put it into 42:28.960 --> 42:30.960 its proper perspective and its proper place 42:30.960 --> 42:33.040 it was used to curtail 42:33.040 --> 42:35.000 you know how we talk about the immigration 42:35.000 --> 42:35.980 restrictions back then 42:35.980 --> 42:38.620 they were the organization that informed 42:38.620 --> 42:39.580 their policy 42:40.220 --> 42:42.100 they were also the organization 42:42.980 --> 42:44.720 that led the charge that resulted 42:44.720 --> 42:46.560 in a majority of states 42:47.320 --> 42:47.980 legalizing 42:48.560 --> 42:50.340 sterilization before Hitler even 42:50.340 --> 42:51.120 rose to power 42:51.120 --> 42:54.300 and so eventually eugenics 42:54.300 --> 42:54.900 this ideology 42:55.840 --> 42:58.700 was transported to Nazi Germany 42:58.700 --> 43:00.380 but even before that to Nazi Germany 43:00.380 --> 43:02.400 and this is very important for people to understand 43:02.400 --> 43:03.840 there were people 43:04.560 --> 43:06.180 the most prestigious people 43:06.180 --> 43:08.220 in history that are 43:08.220 --> 43:08.920 here today 43:08.920 --> 43:12.440 that were talking about and I quote 43:12.440 --> 43:14.180 the use of lethal chambers 43:14.180 --> 43:15.700 like George Bernard Shaw 43:15.700 --> 43:16.800 a Nobel Prize winner 43:17.420 --> 43:19.220 he and people can go look this up 43:19.220 --> 43:21.340 he spoke about using and I quote 43:21.340 --> 43:24.340 lethal chambers to engage in mass extermination 43:24.880 --> 43:26.460 and so you had all of these 43:27.140 --> 43:28.100 elitists openly 43:28.100 --> 43:28.800 talking about 43:28.800 --> 43:31.300 look I don't want to scare people obviously 43:31.300 --> 43:33.500 and say that they are all like this 43:34.020 --> 43:35.760 but my point is we need to 43:35.760 --> 43:38.440 be a lot more concerned about when our data is 43:38.440 --> 43:39.260 in the wrong hands 43:39.260 --> 43:41.820 and so now after what happened in Nazi Germany 43:41.820 --> 43:43.640 which was the extreme 43:43.640 --> 43:45.720 expression of eugenics I would argue that 43:45.720 --> 43:48.020 Nazi Germany was a radical 43:48.020 --> 43:49.560 technocratic society 43:49.560 --> 43:51.920 once that trove inspired 43:51.920 --> 43:54.000 and the eugenics movement saw 43:54.000 --> 43:55.820 that the world had not been disillusioned 43:56.500 --> 43:58.460 they said man we need to go underground 43:58.460 --> 44:00.980 literally if you look at their correspondences 44:00.980 --> 44:02.660 they literally said this 44:02.660 --> 44:04.660 and I got by the name of Frederick Osborne 44:04.660 --> 44:06.280 from a prominent family 44:06.280 --> 44:07.680 the Osborne family 44:08.440 --> 44:10.280 he was largely the one that 44:10.280 --> 44:11.860 led the ideological charge 44:12.360 --> 44:14.260 and these correspondences that people 44:14.260 --> 44:15.920 can find this is on the welcome trust 44:15.920 --> 44:18.120 archive website not to say welcome trust 44:18.120 --> 44:20.340 is the organization but even a broken clock 44:20.340 --> 44:22.020 is right twice a day and so you can find 44:22.020 --> 44:24.260 all the documents on the website 44:24.260 --> 44:25.820 and you will find this remarkably 44:26.440 --> 44:27.320 incriminating document 44:28.080 --> 44:29.760 between Carlos Patton Blacker 44:30.280 --> 44:31.940 who was the secretary general 44:32.500 --> 44:34.160 of the British Eugenics Society 44:34.160 --> 44:35.960 and a founding member 44:35.960 --> 44:38.360 of International Planned Parenthood Federation 44:38.360 --> 44:40.280 to another Planned Parenthood member 44:40.280 --> 44:42.680 named Dorothy Brash in which he says 44:42.680 --> 44:44.540 what we are going to do 44:44.540 --> 44:46.580 is something that Frederick Osborne spoke about 44:46.580 --> 44:48.840 which is crypto eugenics 44:48.840 --> 44:50.400 he literally uses this terminology 44:50.400 --> 44:52.400 and unambiguously 44:52.400 --> 44:53.580 as clear as day 44:53.580 --> 44:55.640 he says in crypto eugenics 44:56.220 --> 44:58.420 is when you pursue eugenics 44:58.420 --> 45:00.460 but you do it through other means 45:01.180 --> 45:01.780 and 45:02.140 --> 45:04.280 in that publication that you mentioned 45:04.280 --> 45:05.620 there is a truncated version 45:05.620 --> 45:07.520 of course in the free thought project's website 45:07.520 --> 45:09.360 I detail 45:09.360 --> 45:12.020 how at that time they went underground 45:12.020 --> 45:13.760 and they hijacked 45:13.760 --> 45:16.420 the family planning movement 45:16.420 --> 45:18.020 they hijacked 45:18.020 --> 45:19.620 environmentalism you know 45:19.620 --> 45:20.960 for example Frederick Osborne 45:21.620 --> 45:23.660 he became the head 45:23.660 --> 45:25.660 of the population council 45:25.660 --> 45:27.760 which was founded by John G. Rockefeller 45:27.760 --> 45:29.620 the third who was John G. Rockefeller 45:29.620 --> 45:30.320 Junior's son 45:30.320 --> 45:33.220 John G. Rockefeller Junior's brother 45:34.080 --> 45:35.800 Lawrence Spalman Rockefeller 45:35.800 --> 45:37.900 he went into something called 45:37.900 --> 45:39.000 the conservation foundation 45:39.780 --> 45:40.980 and alongside 45:40.980 --> 45:42.440 with Frederick Osborne's brother 45:42.440 --> 45:44.560 which was Henry Fairford Osborne Junior 45:45.080 --> 45:46.360 and the conservation foundation 45:46.360 --> 45:49.180 that would later merge 45:49.180 --> 45:50.560 with the World Wildlife Fund 45:50.560 --> 45:52.540 and the World Wildlife Fund was founded by 45:52.540 --> 45:54.900 the aforementioned Julian Huxley 45:54.900 --> 45:56.280 and of course the infamous 45:56.280 --> 45:58.220 Prince Bernard of the Netherlands 45:58.220 --> 45:59.860 who was the founder of the Buildable Group 45:59.860 --> 46:00.580 and an ex-Nazi 46:01.100 --> 46:02.820 because it's a big club and you ain't in it 46:02.820 --> 46:05.260 and so they went underground with this ideology 46:05.640 --> 46:07.040 and also traced in the publication 46:07.040 --> 46:09.820 where the Gates Foundation picked up on the same ideology 46:10.560 --> 46:11.040 and 46:12.100 --> 46:13.900 essentially yes transhumanism 46:13.900 --> 46:15.520 which was coined by Julian Huxley 46:15.520 --> 46:16.680 back in the day which is 46:16.680 --> 46:18.120 to transcend 46:18.940 --> 46:19.420 humanity 46:19.420 --> 46:22.880 they want to put themselves in a position where they 46:22.880 --> 46:24.220 are godlike 46:24.940 --> 46:26.520 and then the rest of us 46:26.520 --> 46:28.720 useless eaters because of course the common person 46:28.720 --> 46:30.540 not going to be able to afford this kind of technological 46:30.540 --> 46:32.400 advancement and then on the other end 46:32.400 --> 46:34.320 they can kind of grasp 46:34.320 --> 46:36.520 who they think should be removed from 46:36.520 --> 46:38.460 society in whatever particular context 46:38.460 --> 46:39.720 they can do. I mean you can go 46:40.220 --> 46:41.640 quite wild with your imagination 46:42.220 --> 46:44.320 and not want to fear monger so I don't want people 46:44.320 --> 46:46.400 to go there. We all have a white pull at the end 46:46.400 --> 46:48.620 because I'm an eternal optimist 46:48.620 --> 46:50.500 and believer in the power of humanity 46:51.340 --> 46:52.060 but just 46:52.060 --> 46:54.140 very quickly and then I'm going to hand it over to Derek 46:54.140 --> 46:55.760 and my apologies for hugging the mic here. 46:56.480 --> 46:57.620 Concerning the ideology 46:57.620 --> 47:00.060 I think that's where they get it right 47:00.060 --> 47:01.920 and we tend to get it wrong 47:01.920 --> 47:04.200 we largely reactive to the 47:04.200 --> 47:06.000 things that they do whereas 47:06.000 --> 47:08.100 what they do is they pause down the ideology 47:08.100 --> 47:09.980 so yes the power structure 47:09.980 --> 47:11.980 will shape shift and change 47:11.980 --> 47:13.980 slightly here and there but it 47:13.980 --> 47:16.140 does maintain a certain 47:16.140 --> 47:18.080 ethos so when I read 47:18.080 --> 47:20.100 that brilliant article and you guys should 47:20.100 --> 47:21.800 definitely link it to this podcast 47:21.800 --> 47:23.420 that Derek wrote 47:23.420 --> 47:25.040 about who Curtis Joven is 47:25.690 --> 47:26.980 he mentioned in there 47:26.980 --> 47:29.660 that one of his seminal influences 47:29.660 --> 47:31.600 was a guy by the name of Thomas Corlyle 47:31.600 --> 47:33.420 Thomas Corlyle 47:33.420 --> 47:35.520 has such a profound 47:35.520 --> 47:37.820 ideological influence on some of the worst 47:37.820 --> 47:40.100 characters in history. Mussolini 47:40.100 --> 47:41.560 called him like 47:41.560 --> 47:44.360 the prophet of fascism he loved him 47:44.360 --> 47:45.840 in Joseph Goebbels 47:45.840 --> 47:47.780 Diaries he spoke 47:47.780 --> 47:49.580 about Thomas Corlyle 47:49.580 --> 47:51.620 when him and Hitler were allegedly 47:51.620 --> 47:52.600 in their final moments 47:53.360 --> 47:55.600 spoke about how much they love Thomas Corlyle 47:55.600 --> 47:57.260 and the publication he wrote about I think 47:57.260 --> 47:59.940 was Frederick the Great. The Corlyle group 47:59.940 --> 48:01.520 I remember in Iraq 48:01.520 --> 48:02.640 the Corlyle group 48:02.640 --> 48:05.160 is named after Thomas Corlyle 48:05.160 --> 48:07.280 there was a dude Otto Kahn 48:07.280 --> 48:08.380 he used to be a 48:09.380 --> 48:11.460 partner in Kuhn Lubin Company 48:11.460 --> 48:12.820 they called him the king of New York 48:12.820 --> 48:15.160 also major ideological 48:16.040 --> 48:17.540 believer in what Thomas 48:17.540 --> 48:19.240 Corlyle used to espouse 48:19.240 --> 48:21.180 and then another dude 48:21.180 --> 48:22.860 and this is what really 48:23.490 --> 48:25.080 just blew my mind when I read 48:25.080 --> 48:26.300 the publication 48:26.920 --> 48:28.820 there's a guy by the name of John Ruskin 48:28.820 --> 48:30.660 I don't know if you've ever heard of this dude before 48:30.660 --> 48:33.440 but John Ruskin was profoundly influenced 48:33.440 --> 48:35.260 in fact his biographer 48:35.260 --> 48:37.420 said that Thomas Corlyle was like his master 48:37.960 --> 48:40.040 guess who John Ruskin influenced 48:40.040 --> 48:41.480 besides many figures 48:41.480 --> 48:42.780 but one in particular 48:42.780 --> 48:45.220 a dude by the name of Cecil Rose 48:45.220 --> 48:46.800 at Oxford University 48:47.340 --> 48:49.020 and this is cited by 48:49.020 --> 48:51.140 for example the likes of Carol Quigley 48:51.140 --> 48:53.300 as being the primary influence 48:53.300 --> 48:55.420 behind why Cecil Rose began to pursue 48:55.420 --> 48:57.420 this policy of the round table movement 48:57.420 --> 48:59.320 and having a secret society 48:59.320 --> 49:00.260 and so on and so forth 49:00.260 --> 49:02.840 and if you look at whether it's Eugenics 49:02.840 --> 49:05.080 or Nalthusianism with Thomas Malthus 49:05.080 --> 49:06.780 or now with Corlyle and thought 49:06.780 --> 49:09.260 you have an underlying common theme 49:09.260 --> 49:11.220 where for them might is right 49:11.220 --> 49:13.500 if you are powerful then you are the most able 49:13.500 --> 49:15.840 and you need to rule in a dictatorial manner 49:16.420 --> 49:17.620 and they don't believe 49:17.620 --> 49:19.080 in empowering the common people 49:19.080 --> 49:21.200 you see for me the fundamental difference 49:21.200 --> 49:22.820 is who has knowledge and who does not 49:23.300 --> 49:25.160 so for them they want to weaponize knowledge 49:25.160 --> 49:26.700 to consolidate the power further 49:26.700 --> 49:28.320 but I believe that what we are doing 49:28.840 --> 49:30.260 is to take that knowledge 49:30.260 --> 49:33.200 empower people with it so that they may defend themselves 49:33.200 --> 49:35.280 and then we can pursue our greater principles 49:35.280 --> 49:36.720 which is humanity 49:36.720 --> 49:37.960 integrity truth 49:37.960 --> 49:40.360 and all that is good and right 49:40.360 --> 49:42.300 anyways I don't want to hug it anymore 49:42.300 --> 49:44.220 apologies Derek over to you brother 49:45.100 --> 49:46.520 well really quick I just 49:46.520 --> 49:48.420 because I had a question for Derek 49:48.420 --> 49:49.920 but I do want to give him an opportunity 49:49.920 --> 49:52.500 to follow up on all those thoughts 49:52.500 --> 49:54.260 because pretty much my question 49:55.200 --> 49:56.680 bleeds in directly into that 49:56.680 --> 49:58.560 so I want to get Derek's thoughts on that first 49:59.660 --> 50:00.620 but primarily 50:00.620 --> 50:02.560 my question is essentially 50:02.560 --> 50:04.020 so when we are talking about this 50:05.240 --> 50:06.440 Eugenics is essentially 50:06.440 --> 50:08.240 sort of a concept of 50:09.080 --> 50:10.600 when we get down to it 50:10.600 --> 50:12.220 you know they are sacrificing people 50:12.220 --> 50:14.320 they are sacrificing people for their greater 50:14.320 --> 50:16.180 or what they believe to be 50:16.180 --> 50:18.400 the great whatever the fuck 50:19.140 --> 50:20.400 and one thing 50:20.400 --> 50:22.020 that I wanted to touch on in this show 50:22.020 --> 50:24.460 because I very rarely see it touched on 50:24.460 --> 50:25.200 in the 50:25.920 --> 50:27.600 expanded upon in a proper manner 50:27.600 --> 50:29.620 and this is probably the best forum to do so 50:30.240 --> 50:31.960 is that because we are seeing 50:31.960 --> 50:34.280 a lot of information come up recently 50:34.280 --> 50:36.400 about some of the connections of occultism 50:36.400 --> 50:38.340 and things of that nature to 50:38.340 --> 50:39.800 the predator class 50:40.350 --> 50:42.540 and especially since a lot of like the lay 50:42.540 --> 50:44.340 person the common normie 50:44.340 --> 50:46.220 you know they have this idea of what 50:46.220 --> 50:48.100 quote-unquote occultism is and it's all 50:48.100 --> 50:50.200 spooky evil when realistically 50:50.200 --> 50:52.000 that's not the case of course 50:52.000 --> 50:54.260 I think we've all sort of dabbled into studying that 50:54.260 --> 50:56.280 here I have for at least a decade 50:56.280 --> 50:57.820 and a half myself 50:58.310 --> 51:00.200 so my question to Derek really 51:00.200 --> 51:02.360 once you follow up on Gavin's 51:02.360 --> 51:02.700 point 51:02.700 --> 51:05.820 what are some of the 51:05.820 --> 51:06.720 what you see 51:06.720 --> 51:08.940 the influences of like 51:09.900 --> 51:11.100 occultic influences 51:11.100 --> 51:13.020 per se in the technocratic 51:13.020 --> 51:15.040 movement with this greater idea 51:15.040 --> 51:17.080 because of course we know they use 51:17.080 --> 51:18.800 you know things like as Mark Pascio 51:18.800 --> 51:21.100 describes dark occultic black magic 51:21.100 --> 51:23.040 rituals for to expand 51:23.040 --> 51:25.100 their auspices of control 51:25.100 --> 51:27.140 and what not so would love to get your take 51:27.140 --> 51:28.900 on that once you respond to 51:28.900 --> 51:29.760 Gavin's point 51:29.760 --> 51:31.680 yeah thank you for that 51:31.680 --> 51:33.520 in terms of what Gavin shared 51:33.520 --> 51:35.440 that was all brilliant brother definitely 51:35.440 --> 51:37.360 well said and the only thing I would just 51:37.360 --> 51:39.500 echo is the importance 51:39.500 --> 51:41.220 of the John Ruskin 51:41.760 --> 51:42.760 Cecil Rhodes connection 51:42.760 --> 51:46.200 that is as he mentioned Carol Quigley's 51:46.200 --> 51:47.940 work in Tragedy and Hope 51:47.940 --> 51:49.720 and his second book the Anglo-American 51:49.720 --> 51:51.260 establishment talks about that 51:51.260 --> 51:53.620 the establishment of the roundtables groups 51:53.620 --> 51:54.780 through the Rhodes scholars 51:54.780 --> 51:57.320 and how that agenda is still 51:57.320 --> 51:59.100 you know tied into the agenda 51:59.100 --> 52:00.380 we're seeing today I mean 52:00.380 --> 52:03.320 the roundtable groups is something that I've just spent a lot of time 52:03.320 --> 52:05.360 researching as well to for the conclusion 52:05.360 --> 52:06.760 of my pyramid of power series 52:07.320 --> 52:09.400 sort of trying to answer the question of well which groups 52:09.400 --> 52:11.200 are at the top and it's definitely roundtables 52:11.200 --> 52:13.400 on top of roundtables on top of roundtables 52:13.400 --> 52:15.120 and the idea being that 52:15.600 --> 52:17.220 the outer ring of those 52:17.800 --> 52:19.300 roundtables of those circles have 52:19.300 --> 52:21.040 a little bit of knowledge but as you go in deeper 52:21.520 --> 52:23.260 there's more you're more illuminated 52:23.260 --> 52:25.480 they would say and you have a deeper 52:25.480 --> 52:27.280 understanding of the power system 52:27.280 --> 52:28.540 as well as power itself 52:28.540 --> 52:31.320 so I think that's hugely important 52:31.320 --> 52:33.080 and that was that thread 52:33.080 --> 52:34.960 that he's talking about that I discussed 52:34.960 --> 52:37.480 in my piece on Curtis Jarvan 52:37.480 --> 52:39.140 of the influences from 52:39.140 --> 52:41.500 the Carliles from the John 52:41.500 --> 52:43.000 Ruskins to the 52:43.000 --> 52:45.660 Cecil Rhodes you know and to that 52:45.660 --> 52:46.540 to the modern 52:47.800 --> 52:49.500 technocrats these are just 52:49.500 --> 52:50.740 webs of power that 52:51.400 --> 52:53.220 intersect and overlap and somebody 52:53.220 --> 52:55.060 just fascinating and 52:55.060 --> 52:56.560 overwhelming ways 52:57.100 --> 52:59.100 that I think people should learn more about I mean 52:59.100 --> 53:00.960 obviously it might not feel completely 53:00.960 --> 53:02.940 relevant to everything you're doing today but if you really 53:02.940 --> 53:04.960 want to understand where the power today comes from 53:04.960 --> 53:06.840 then it's relevant and it's important 53:06.840 --> 53:09.040 and to your question Don 53:09.040 --> 53:11.080 about the sort of a cultic 53:11.080 --> 53:12.360 more ritualistic side of things 53:12.360 --> 53:14.080 I mean this is something that I've 53:14.080 --> 53:16.520 studied as well for the pyramid of power 53:16.520 --> 53:18.740 and you know people all of us here 53:18.740 --> 53:20.900 and others who've listened or follow work 53:20.900 --> 53:22.820 like this have heard about different 53:22.820 --> 53:24.920 secret society groups obviously things like 53:24.920 --> 53:26.840 the Freemasons which are not so 53:26.840 --> 53:28.460 secret but you know very public facing 53:28.460 --> 53:30.980 and other things like the skull and bones 53:30.980 --> 53:32.260 at Yale and stuff like that 53:32.800 --> 53:34.600 have seen and recognized that 53:34.600 --> 53:36.740 politicians and influential people 53:37.540 --> 53:38.100 they 53:38.780 --> 53:40.720 might publicly proclaim to be Christian 53:40.720 --> 53:42.940 or Muslim or Jewish 53:42.940 --> 53:44.940 or whatever else and maybe they do hold those 53:44.940 --> 53:46.480 things but then at the same time they 53:46.480 --> 53:48.180 participate in other 53:48.680 --> 53:50.120 rituals behind the scenes 53:50.120 --> 53:51.440 I mean I think one of the greatest examples 53:51.440 --> 53:54.000 of this is the Bohemian Grove 53:54.680 --> 53:55.980 and this is not 53:55.980 --> 53:57.900 I'm not trying to really even make a judgment 53:57.900 --> 54:00.020 on people with all quote unquote alternative beliefs 54:00.020 --> 54:02.120 I would be one of them I know Don's one of them as well 54:02.120 --> 54:04.060 so I'm not saying that oh the problem is 54:04.060 --> 54:06.160 they're not Christians I think the problem for me 54:06.160 --> 54:08.040 is people who put 54:08.040 --> 54:09.560 on a face in front of the cameras 54:10.180 --> 54:12.020 and you know act as if they're 54:12.020 --> 54:13.920 uphold you know upstanding citizens 54:13.920 --> 54:15.880 this and that and members 54:15.880 --> 54:18.400 of church or whatever else but behind closed 54:18.400 --> 54:19.860 doors are doing different things you know 54:19.860 --> 54:21.840 it's not so much that they're practicing 54:21.840 --> 54:23.520 different beliefs at least not for me 54:23.520 --> 54:25.180 it's that it's 54:25.180 --> 54:27.580 that it's hidden and behind closed doors 54:27.580 --> 54:29.360 and in the case of Bohemian Grove 54:29.880 --> 54:31.680 this is something I put in in the 54:31.680 --> 54:33.760 chapter 16 of the Pyramid of Power that people 54:33.760 --> 54:35.480 can watch at thepyramidofpower.net 54:36.160 --> 54:37.900 up until the last couple 54:37.900 --> 54:39.900 years you know we've seen people 54:39.900 --> 54:41.920 infiltrate Bohemian Grove it's 54:41.920 --> 54:43.320 of course this massive 54:43.320 --> 54:44.500 100 acre 54:45.240 --> 54:46.780 piece of land in California 54:46.780 --> 54:49.000 in the redwoods that politicians 54:49.000 --> 54:50.760 and celebrities and other powerful people 54:50.760 --> 54:52.980 mainly on the right but really across the board 54:52.980 --> 54:55.020 have been going to for decades 54:55.020 --> 54:56.720 for generations and 54:56.720 --> 54:59.140 they have the giant wooden 54:59.140 --> 55:01.000 owl structure and they do the 55:01.000 --> 55:03.280 cremation of care ritual if you don't 55:03.280 --> 55:05.340 know anything about this you can go check out that episode 55:05.340 --> 55:07.480 of the pyramid and there's others who've written quite a bit about it 55:07.480 --> 55:08.780 but up until 55:09.260 --> 55:10.940 recently we've only had like 55:10.940 --> 55:12.920 a couple of exposés I found 55:12.920 --> 55:14.820 one from the 70s I found one from the 55:14.820 --> 55:16.840 80s and you know talking 55:16.840 --> 55:18.860 about journalists trying to get 55:18.860 --> 55:21.020 in or trying to sneak in and of course you have 55:21.020 --> 55:22.820 the Alex Jones 55:22.820 --> 55:24.480 videos which I kind of 55:24.480 --> 55:26.760 view through a different light these days I mean 55:26.760 --> 55:28.800 they're very suspicious of Alex Jones these days 55:28.800 --> 55:30.580 and have been for years so I'm like hmm 55:30.580 --> 55:32.700 I don't know but Alex Jones yeah 55:32.700 --> 55:34.820 Alex Jones claimed to be the first person you know to 55:34.820 --> 55:36.580 sneak in or whatever and film some of the ritual 55:37.160 --> 55:38.860 but a couple years ago there was 55:38.860 --> 55:40.900 an anonymous train hopper 55:40.900 --> 55:42.380 I can't recall his name 55:42.380 --> 55:44.840 what his YouTube handle is but he 55:44.840 --> 55:47.200 was known for just making videos of him 55:47.200 --> 55:48.880 just like train hopping and traveling and 55:48.880 --> 55:50.440 you know just has a following for that 55:50.440 --> 55:52.560 and he never shows his face he wears a bandana 55:52.560 --> 55:54.820 for whatever reason him and some of his friends got 55:54.820 --> 55:56.660 the idea to sneak into Bohemian Grove 55:56.660 --> 55:58.940 and they did so very successfully 55:58.940 --> 56:00.260 and they were literally 56:00.260 --> 56:02.660 film videos like hidden up in the trees 56:02.660 --> 56:04.800 during the ceremony and you see 56:04.800 --> 56:06.940 these guys you know marching through the woods 56:06.940 --> 56:09.060 and red robes and 56:09.060 --> 56:10.780 you know it's a similar thing you kind of saw 56:10.780 --> 56:12.900 in a grainy whatever video from 56:12.900 --> 56:15.040 Alex Jones with bad sound but this is much 56:15.040 --> 56:16.840 like this is the clearest pictures I think 56:16.840 --> 56:18.680 that have ever been released in videos of it 56:18.680 --> 56:20.840 and these these young dudes I mean they can't 56:20.840 --> 56:22.920 be older than in their early 30s or something 56:22.920 --> 56:24.940 if that are just kind of hiding 56:24.940 --> 56:26.980 up in the trees off to the side 56:26.980 --> 56:28.880 and filming the entire thing and 56:28.880 --> 56:30.800 and he snuck in multiple times 56:30.800 --> 56:32.860 and got video inside 56:32.860 --> 56:34.900 the owl because it's actually you can open up from 56:34.900 --> 56:36.720 behind and it's like a hollow structure 56:37.180 --> 56:38.840 and all kinds of things so my point is 56:38.840 --> 56:40.780 like that's one good example of sort of 56:40.780 --> 56:42.920 occulted hidden beliefs again what are they 56:42.920 --> 56:44.880 they claim it's just a boys club and 56:44.880 --> 56:46.440 you know it's just a silly ritual 56:46.440 --> 56:48.820 but as I report in the pyramid of power 56:48.820 --> 56:50.880 you can find some of the Bohemian 56:50.880 --> 56:52.800 Grove literature that has been released by 56:52.800 --> 56:55.000 various whistleblowers in their own writings 56:55.000 --> 56:56.800 they say that it's you know inspired by 56:56.800 --> 56:58.660 druidic you know mystery religions 56:58.660 --> 57:00.500 and stuff like that and again I'm not somebody who 57:00.500 --> 57:02.440 automatically fault somebody for having a different 57:02.440 --> 57:03.880 belief beyond Christianity 57:04.360 --> 57:06.340 it's just a secrecy that is the big point 57:06.340 --> 57:08.320 is like well if they're proclaiming to be one thing 57:08.320 --> 57:10.520 in public why are they doing these secret 57:10.520 --> 57:12.400 rituals behind the scenes and in terms 57:12.400 --> 57:13.920 of like things like Epstein and others 57:14.420 --> 57:16.320 I do think that there are elements 57:16.320 --> 57:18.480 of that and some of that's coming out in some of the emails 57:18.940 --> 57:20.580 I don't know if every single 57:20.580 --> 57:22.240 politician every single member 57:22.240 --> 57:24.340 of the pyramid of power towards the top would 57:24.340 --> 57:26.080 be involved in this but there definitely is this 57:26.080 --> 57:28.100 and it happens on the big and small levels 57:28.100 --> 57:29.660 one other thing I'll just add real quick 57:30.280 --> 57:31.660 it happens what I mean 57:31.660 --> 57:33.700 by big and small levels I mean like sure Bohemian 57:33.700 --> 57:35.700 Grove presidents politicians 57:35.700 --> 57:38.320 celebrities like powerful influential people 57:38.320 --> 57:39.700 but I'm also talking 57:39.700 --> 57:41.820 about situations like some of the stories I've 57:41.820 --> 57:43.340 investigated the last couple years like the 57:43.340 --> 57:45.600 Utah ritual abuse case which we don't have to 57:45.600 --> 57:47.640 get into the whole thing but the reason I bring it up 57:47.640 --> 57:49.500 is there were some of these court documents 57:49.500 --> 57:51.660 that came out in this case where a 57:51.660 --> 57:53.460 therapist had been accused of abusing 57:54.140 --> 57:55.600 dozens of young girls including 57:55.600 --> 57:57.500 his own daughters and we have hundreds of pages 57:57.500 --> 57:59.580 of testimony witness testimony I mean things 57:59.580 --> 58:01.540 that you couldn't even just make 58:01.540 --> 58:03.900 up if you tried and some of those victims 58:03.900 --> 58:05.660 describe being 58:05.660 --> 58:07.580 raped and abused by 58:07.580 --> 58:09.740 men who were wearing the skin of other 58:09.740 --> 58:11.680 dead people and that while they were 58:11.680 --> 58:13.600 doing so they were calling out to Lucifer 58:13.600 --> 58:15.520 they were calling out to different 58:15.520 --> 58:17.000 deities and stuff like that so 58:17.000 --> 58:19.420 this thing does exist you know I think 58:19.420 --> 58:21.480 the whole dismissal of this kind of 58:21.480 --> 58:23.480 concept as quote unquote satanic panic 58:23.480 --> 58:25.420 and I do think there's some of that right 58:25.420 --> 58:27.240 we can all think back to like the 80s and the 58:27.240 --> 58:29.700 moral panic of like rock and roll is 58:29.700 --> 58:31.160 going to you know send people to 58:31.160 --> 58:33.340 hell so put on the parental advisory 58:33.340 --> 58:35.400 sticker and that kind of stuff with Al Gore's 58:35.400 --> 58:37.540 wife the sort of you know going after 58:37.540 --> 58:39.680 metal bands or whatever like I'm not 58:39.680 --> 58:41.380 talking about that I mean I'm talking about 58:41.380 --> 58:43.240 through examples 58:43.240 --> 58:45.640 of groups and organizations 58:45.640 --> 58:47.260 and people practicing 58:47.740 --> 58:49.180 occulted hidden beliefs 58:49.700 --> 58:51.360 behind closed doors and 58:51.360 --> 58:53.120 for different purposes it doesn't necessarily 58:53.120 --> 58:55.160 mean that I or you or anybody listening 58:55.160 --> 58:56.720 to this has to believe in those beliefs 58:57.440 --> 58:59.180 it just matters that they do believe 58:59.180 --> 59:01.020 and they believe that they are doing these 59:01.020 --> 59:03.200 things for some sort of hidden 59:03.200 --> 59:04.760 or you know more 59:04.760 --> 59:06.100 secret purpose 59:06.800 --> 59:08.640 Gavin we wanted to give you the opportunity 59:08.640 --> 59:11.100 to follow up if you had anything so 59:11.100 --> 59:13.020 maybe you and bros could riff a little bit back 59:13.020 --> 59:14.920 and forth as well rather than just going from one 59:14.920 --> 59:17.080 question to the next so feel free if you had 59:17.080 --> 59:18.120 any thoughts on that 59:18.580 --> 59:21.280 I agree wholeheartedly man they do believe 59:21.280 --> 59:23.100 in some weird shit I don't think 59:23.100 --> 59:25.320 anybody who has seriously looked into 59:25.320 --> 59:26.280 this can question that 59:26.860 --> 59:28.340 and again just going back 59:29.100 --> 59:30.880 to the way that technocracy 59:30.880 --> 59:32.200 is trying to be 59:32.660 --> 59:34.660 good for to society is that okay 59:34.660 --> 59:37.200 they're gonna have data on all of us all of our lives will be 59:37.200 --> 59:39.080 transparent and they'll know 59:39.080 --> 59:41.160 everything about us they'll know it's better than we know 59:41.160 --> 59:43.320 ourselves and this is going back to of course 59:43.940 --> 59:45.240 sun soothed out of war 59:45.240 --> 59:45.980 know your enemy 59:46.780 --> 59:49.120 and of course we have been left in ignorance for so long 59:49.120 --> 59:51.120 that most of us are still struggling to even have 59:51.120 --> 59:52.360 like proper self knowledge 59:52.980 --> 59:55.220 and yet we have no knowledge of them 59:55.220 --> 59:57.040 right we don't know what they're doing in these 59:57.040 --> 59:58.880 occult ceremonies so I think a lot of focus 59:58.880 --> 59:59.780 also needs to be 01:00:01.700 --> 01:00:02.660 focused on 01:00:02.660 --> 01:00:04.920 strategizing and starting to study 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.040 their characters and dissecting who 01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:08.460 these people are and the ideologies 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.720 but a hundred percent man I 01:00:10.720 --> 01:00:12.580 totally agree with what you said 01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:14.940 yeah Gavin I just 01:00:14.940 --> 01:00:16.940 wanted to throw some in there real quick gap to Gavin 01:00:16.940 --> 01:00:18.480 because I mean I know that 01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.820 for you probably just as much 01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:23.040 as I am you know that we both feel strongly 01:00:23.040 --> 01:00:24.780 about the solution 01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:26.900 side of things and obviously we're here getting 01:00:26.900 --> 01:00:28.840 deep and the technocracy and 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.800 everything else which is vital 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.020 in fact that it's the fact that it's even being discussed 01:00:33.020 --> 01:00:34.880 everywhere the fact that Prince Andrew is getting 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.760 arrested shows we've come a long way right 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.660 and in terms of spreading awareness 01:00:38.660 --> 01:00:40.900 but I know that you also like you were saying a few 01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:42.780 moments ago that like you know how do we kind of 01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:44.860 touch that deeper part of humanity getting 01:00:44.860 --> 01:00:46.760 people to start challenging these systems 01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:48.900 and and and questioning them and 01:00:48.900 --> 01:00:50.800 then more importantly trying to take care of their 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.720 own lives I'm just curious for you brother 01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:54.820 as somebody who's been involved in this as long as 01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:56.880 I have been and as well as the vets here in this 01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.900 conversation like do you think 01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:00.840 we're winning in that way like yeah we're winning in 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.000 terms of Epstein's a mainstream story now it wasn't 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.480 10 years ago 15 years ago 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.760 but do you feel like that is 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.780 leading to some bigger place because 01:01:08.780 --> 01:01:10.480 my concern 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.300 and fear has kind of been that 01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:14.440 we're witnessing almost 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.620 like a massive learned helplessness 01:01:16.620 --> 01:01:18.840 operation where oh my goodness 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.180 my dude I've been 01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:22.440 writing an article on that 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.740 exact topic no bullshit 01:01:24.740 --> 01:01:26.420 well please please share about it brother 01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:28.380 what do you think because yeah I mean like I said I think it's 01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:30.420 yeah the truth's coming out and it's 01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:32.180 this massive quote unquote awakening 01:01:32.180 --> 01:01:34.140 but then at the same time people are being 01:01:34.140 --> 01:01:36.560 shown and nothing's gonna happen at least 01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:38.000 you know in the US and other places 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.800 you know Norway UK 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:41.820 India Lithuania there are 01:01:41.820 --> 01:01:43.860 places where there's investigations coming out we'll see 01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:45.780 what happens but in the US at least it's like 01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:47.900 no nothing's gonna no one's 01:01:47.900 --> 01:01:49.940 going down yeah 100% 01:01:49.940 --> 01:01:51.940 man so I'm literally writing an article 01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:53.760 like no bullshit that is 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.940 titled something I'm actually trying to look it up 01:01:55.940 --> 01:01:57.860 now on the laptop but it's titled 01:01:57.860 --> 01:01:58.640 something like 01:01:59.540 --> 01:02:01.640 the Epstein files learned 01:02:01.640 --> 01:02:03.660 helplessness and something else and literally 01:02:03.660 --> 01:02:05.520 the title learned helplessness is in there 01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:08.480 because what I see taking place is a collective form 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.780 of learned helplessness so this is 01:02:10.780 --> 01:02:12.540 and I've been along like 01:02:12.540 --> 01:02:14.300 worried about this man watching 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.320 with the introduction of social 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.400 media way back in the day 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.260 something that actually helped me to pick apart 01:02:20.260 --> 01:02:22.620 my own fucking addictions 01:02:22.620 --> 01:02:24.140 and you know just all of that 01:02:24.140 --> 01:02:26.600 crazy bullshit and we come from a similar background 01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:28.400 so you know like the legwork it takes 01:02:29.040 --> 01:02:30.680 something that helped me tremendously 01:02:30.680 --> 01:02:32.280 was when I started to study 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.540 neuroscience and learn 01:02:34.540 --> 01:02:36.520 about how like the brain can change itself 01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:38.540 and just also how 01:02:38.540 --> 01:02:40.760 addiction is actually a form of escapism 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:42.620 and so on and so forth but I really 01:02:42.620 --> 01:02:44.460 began to study the mind 01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:46.540 obsessively and I wanted to do so 01:02:46.540 --> 01:02:48.460 because I was operating from a very insecure 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:50.160 place psychologically 01:02:50.160 --> 01:02:52.440 and I wanted to like defend myself I thought 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.420 I was living in this fucking war zone with everybody 01:02:55.020 --> 01:02:56.540 but one of the most profound things 01:02:56.540 --> 01:02:58.900 I did become aware of is how 01:02:58.900 --> 01:03:01.320 the brain has a very difficult time 01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:02.620 distinguishing 01:03:02.620 --> 01:03:04.780 between thought and reality 01:03:04.780 --> 01:03:07.100 and so now we have these devices 01:03:07.100 --> 01:03:08.380 in our hands 01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:10.340 that have been weaponized 01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:11.720 on an unprecedented level 01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:13.600 I mean think about it right 01:03:13.600 --> 01:03:15.700 during the scandemic period 01:03:15.700 --> 01:03:18.380 you could barely upload a video 01:03:18.380 --> 01:03:19.920 that had a certain image 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.100 or even a certain word but now 01:03:22.100 --> 01:03:23.900 they are force feeding us 01:03:23.900 --> 01:03:26.240 the murder of Charlie Kirk or that 01:03:26.240 --> 01:03:28.080 Ukrainian chick on the subway 01:03:28.780 --> 01:03:30.520 we're watching a genocide in real time 01:03:30.520 --> 01:03:31.100 in Palestine 01:03:31.100 --> 01:03:34.140 and we are hardwired in such a way 01:03:34.140 --> 01:03:35.600 that we are 01:03:35.600 --> 01:03:37.440 meant to take 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.840 physical action in the face of injustice 01:03:40.460 --> 01:03:41.940 especially when children 01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:42.840 are being harmed 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.160 and now also with what's going on with these 01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:46.300 Epstein file releases 01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:49.520 it's just such an incessant onslaught 01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:51.800 that it does exhaust people 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:53.180 already if you look at surveys 01:03:53.180 --> 01:03:55.560 I try to always keep a pulse on what's going on 01:03:55.560 --> 01:03:57.440 from an anthropological 01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.340 perspective which is just a fancy 01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:00.180 we are saying like 01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:03.020 how is the collective psychology 01:04:03.020 --> 01:04:05.120 of events affecting people 01:04:05.120 --> 01:04:07.960 and they were already talking about being politically exhausted 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.820 and the reason why I do this is because I know 01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:11.200 they've been functioning 01:04:11.200 --> 01:04:14.060 with a technocratic blueprint for quite some time 01:04:14.060 --> 01:04:15.300 which is to say 01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:17.380 they look at these studies and these surveys 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:19.380 and just going back very quickly 01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:20.180 to ancient Rome 01:04:20.180 --> 01:04:22.660 one of the ways that 01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:24.980 Augustus sees the guys of Tavia 01:04:24.980 --> 01:04:26.520 so the first emperor he came to power 01:04:27.060 --> 01:04:28.080 whether he was 01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:30.040 this insidious or not 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:32.440 I'm not sure but it's been heavily studied 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:34.660 is he got people mentally and psychologically 01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:36.900 totally exhausted 01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:39.360 so they were just kind of acquiesce 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:40.360 and so brother 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:42.520 I share that exact same concern as you do 01:04:42.520 --> 01:04:43.040 my dude 01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:45.500 that's why I was saying in the beginning of this 01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:48.420 I'm still internally trying to 01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:50.440 figure out if this is organically 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:51.400 a win for humanity 01:04:51.940 --> 01:04:53.460 or if this is some kind of 01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.520 right to social engineering agenda 01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:56.560 or if it's a bit of both 01:04:57.340 --> 01:04:59.220 I definitely think it's probably kind of 01:04:59.220 --> 01:05:00.720 like a lot of things 01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:02.700 there's nuance it's not black and white 01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:05.360 so there's genuine efforts 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.240 by genuine people to bring about 01:05:07.240 --> 01:05:09.040 truth whether it's related to Epstein 01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:11.220 or Gaza or other issues 01:05:11.220 --> 01:05:13.480 and we wouldn't be able to do that 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.240 without the tool that is social media 01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:17.040 and then at the same time we know that 01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:19.400 the intelligence networks funded and created 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.360 social media and maybe 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.200 they lost control of it but maybe also 01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:24.140 they could 01:05:25.160 --> 01:05:26.940 foresee what might happen 01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:29.220 there will be some awakening but at the same time 01:05:29.220 --> 01:05:30.800 it will allow us to greater 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.180 manage and steer public perception 01:05:33.180 --> 01:05:34.600 and thus reality 01:05:34.600 --> 01:05:36.200 and so it's definitely I think 01:05:36.200 --> 01:05:38.620 something for us to take in because obviously 01:05:38.620 --> 01:05:40.520 I see this a lot 01:05:40.520 --> 01:05:41.920 it's been one of my kind of 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.360 piece of concerns with the independent 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.860 truth movement freedom community whatever you want to say 01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:49.240 when there is some big story 01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:51.160 obviously Epstein this is something that's impacting 01:05:51.160 --> 01:05:53.220 people and countries and politicians all 01:05:53.220 --> 01:05:54.940 around the world so it's understandable 01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:56.680 why everybody is talking about it 01:05:57.200 --> 01:05:58.860 and at the same time whenever that 01:05:59.640 --> 01:06:01.320 phenomenon happens not to always be 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:03.080 like oh look you're being distracted from this 01:06:03.080 --> 01:06:05.080 because I do think sometimes there are 01:06:05.520 --> 01:06:07.300 things that pop into pop culture 01:06:07.300 --> 01:06:09.160 that are intended to sway us 01:06:09.160 --> 01:06:11.080 from looking in another direction but at the same time 01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:13.140 I think we're also capable of holding more than 01:06:13.140 --> 01:06:14.440 one thought at a time and we can 01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.940 talk about Epstein and we can talk about solutions 01:06:16.940 --> 01:06:18.840 and stuff like that but just overall 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:20.400 the concern of like are we 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.340 allowing our attention 01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:24.260 and our energy to just be steered 01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:26.700 towards this and even if it is like 01:06:26.700 --> 01:06:28.740 well we're winning right 01:06:28.740 --> 01:06:30.540 we're the conspiracy theorist to write again 01:06:30.540 --> 01:06:32.700 is there some deeper 01:06:32.700 --> 01:06:34.380 purpose is there a reason why 01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:36.680 that narrative is being sown and shown 01:06:36.680 --> 01:06:38.760 to us and even how 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:40.780 the best of us can buy into those kind of 01:06:40.780 --> 01:06:41.840 operations when they happen 01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:44.800 100% man I think 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.020 I just want a more quick thing 01:06:46.020 --> 01:06:47.680 I think one of the key things 01:06:48.860 --> 01:06:50.660 is we have to always try 01:06:50.660 --> 01:06:52.560 to be mindful of not becoming too 01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:54.500 reactive but instead 01:06:54.500 --> 01:06:56.540 trying to tap into inborn 01:06:56.540 --> 01:06:58.840 creativity so don't be too reactive 01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:00.860 but rather creative because I really believe 01:07:00.860 --> 01:07:01.960 when it's all said and done 01:07:02.680 --> 01:07:04.560 each of us are here for 01:07:04.560 --> 01:07:06.560 a unique purpose and once we can tap 01:07:06.560 --> 01:07:08.760 into that deeper purpose 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:10.560 we have something unique 01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:12.440 to contribute to the greatest 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:13.880 story of humanity 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.180 versus the cancer that is elitism 01:07:16.820 --> 01:07:18.320 absolutely well I wanted 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.320 to echo that sentiment by 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:22.500 bros you know it does feel like a lot of times 01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:24.160 the conspiracy community 01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:26.340 the truth community can be a little too 01:07:26.340 --> 01:07:28.340 reactive a little too biased you know 01:07:28.340 --> 01:07:30.320 I agree it might get the 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:31.980 clicks I might get the the views 01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:34.260 not everything is a distraction right and 01:07:34.260 --> 01:07:36.280 framing in that way it just shows 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:37.860 our bias are in 01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:40.280 in our bias and I don't know 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:42.200 we just need to be objective right and I do 01:07:42.200 --> 01:07:44.240 feel like this most 01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:45.980 recent release of the Epstein 01:07:45.980 --> 01:07:48.260 files has just become like a junk drawer 01:07:48.260 --> 01:07:50.180 for every conspiracy right and I mean there's 01:07:50.180 --> 01:07:52.060 been a bunch I've seen Bitcoin 01:07:52.060 --> 01:07:54.080 kind of get swept under that people are 01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:56.220 making claims originally that Bitcoin was 01:07:56.220 --> 01:07:58.400 some Peter Thiel Jeffrey Epstein 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.660 creation so we do 01:08:00.660 --> 01:08:02.100 have to be mindful of that but 01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:04.360 on a different note here I am very 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:06.260 much enjoying this has been 01:08:06.260 --> 01:08:08.140 great I'm learning a lot a lot of great 01:08:08.140 --> 01:08:10.260 perspective here trying to keep up with 01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:11.860 you to intellectual powerhouses 01:08:11.860 --> 01:08:13.960 but you know speaking of the trans 01:08:14.520 --> 01:08:16.120 humanism side of things and the learned 01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:18.260 helplessness and the collective psychology 01:08:18.260 --> 01:08:20.380 I think Gavin and Matt both touched 01:08:20.380 --> 01:08:22.060 on this but obviously 01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:24.080 technology continues to move ahead 01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:26.040 at like light speed and 01:08:26.040 --> 01:08:27.320 you know the line between 01:08:28.040 --> 01:08:29.620 improving our tools and 01:08:30.020 --> 01:08:32.100 improving ourselves is starting to blur 01:08:32.100 --> 01:08:33.280 I mean we're starting to see 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:35.840 something like the meta smart classes 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:37.780 really take root and they're getting really popular 01:08:37.780 --> 01:08:39.820 really fast and side 01:08:39.820 --> 01:08:41.120 note there is a meta 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.940 memo that just came out recently that said 01:08:43.940 --> 01:08:45.800 that they're waiting for like a big crisis or 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.660 political turmoil to actually roll out 01:08:47.660 --> 01:08:49.440 special recognition capabilities 01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:51.840 so that you know the watch dogs the 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.700 privacy groups and stuff like that will be 01:08:53.700 --> 01:08:54.900 too overwhelmed to notice 01:08:54.900 --> 01:08:58.020 or kind of mount a big campaign against 01:08:58.020 --> 01:08:59.860 it but obviously these things 01:08:59.860 --> 01:09:01.800 are becoming more popular people kind of want 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.080 that efficiency that ease of use 01:09:04.080 --> 01:09:06.020 with a I attached everything 01:09:06.020 --> 01:09:08.040 and there's a desire 01:09:08.040 --> 01:09:10.000 by the brologarchy to move the ball 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:11.740 forward with the wearables I mean even 01:09:11.740 --> 01:09:14.000 RFK last year was kind of promoting 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:15.860 this subtly and 01:09:15.860 --> 01:09:17.920 you know the tech billionaires keep talking about 01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.060 you know upgrading humans and even 01:09:20.060 --> 01:09:22.040 living forever like it's the next 01:09:22.040 --> 01:09:24.020 stage of society and I think 01:09:24.020 --> 01:09:25.960 you know feel was one 01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:27.960 person who you know I think it was 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.580 last year late last year where 01:09:29.580 --> 01:09:32.280 he basically you know said that 01:09:32.280 --> 01:09:34.040 he was asked the question should 01:09:34.040 --> 01:09:36.180 humanity survive and he had that like really 01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:38.280 awkward pause and kind of struggle 01:09:38.280 --> 01:09:40.320 to answer and he said yes but we have to 01:09:40.320 --> 01:09:41.700 radically solve these problems 01:09:42.380 --> 01:09:44.440 and you know I don't know yeah 01:09:44.440 --> 01:09:46.480 transhumanism like he is basically 01:09:46.480 --> 01:09:47.740 pushing transhumanism 01:09:48.280 --> 01:09:50.060 saying that this radical 01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:51.980 transformation where your human body 01:09:51.980 --> 01:09:53.920 your natural body gets trended transformed 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.460 into a moral body 01:09:56.020 --> 01:09:56.840 it kind of 01:09:57.540 --> 01:09:59.840 highlights what his his thoughts and beliefs 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:01.140 are on these things so 01:10:01.620 --> 01:10:03.520 you know if the tech 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:05.620 billionaires do end up controlling these tools 01:10:05.620 --> 01:10:07.840 to upgrade the human body and the mind 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.760 are we witnessing like 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.580 a next chapter of human evolution 01:10:11.580 --> 01:10:13.880 I mean obviously it's like a bleak and a dark 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:15.700 one but is this where 01:10:15.700 --> 01:10:17.600 like a new hierarchy where 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.140 you know biology itself becomes privatized 01:10:20.140 --> 01:10:21.700 like it seems like it's going to 01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:23.260 kind of 01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:25.620 push the division and society 01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:27.640 even further and obviously in 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:29.740 the realm of people actually have the 01:10:29.740 --> 01:10:31.520 money to afford these types of things 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.600 but I could only imagine it kind of getting 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:35.340 worse and worse from here on out so 01:10:35.340 --> 01:10:37.660 yeah do you guys kind of see 01:10:37.660 --> 01:10:38.060 like 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.540 I don't know a shift in Mankind where 01:10:41.540 --> 01:10:43.540 like there's the people who have the 01:10:43.540 --> 01:10:45.960 wearables and the neurochips 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.840 and you know all these different 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:49.320 AI connected 01:10:49.320 --> 01:10:50.720 types of technology 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.720 but then there's this whole other group that can't 01:10:54.320 --> 01:10:55.620 well either doesn't want to have 01:10:55.620 --> 01:10:57.440 anything to do with it or just can't afford 01:10:57.440 --> 01:10:59.380 to be kind of in that same camp 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:01.480 you know what I actually think 01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:02.660 Jason and I might be 01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:05.400 a little bit overly romantic but I think it's 01:11:05.400 --> 01:11:06.960 sensible, pragmatic and logical 01:11:07.620 --> 01:11:09.020 is that yes 01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:10.840 they undeniably 01:11:11.620 --> 01:11:12.620 want to take 01:11:13.400 --> 01:11:14.820 this materialistic power 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:16.440 and 01:11:17.240 --> 01:11:19.540 use it as a next stage 01:11:19.540 --> 01:11:21.680 of human evolution right you get trans 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:23.620 humanism then you get post humanism when 01:11:23.620 --> 01:11:25.120 it's a whole another ballgame 01:11:25.900 --> 01:11:27.560 and I do believe that 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:29.080 that is on the menu however 01:11:29.780 --> 01:11:31.640 let's not forget that humanity 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:33.860 has no idea about the resourcefulness 01:11:33.860 --> 01:11:35.120 that we have internally 01:11:35.980 --> 01:11:37.520 whatever happened in our past 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:38.880 there is some kind of a collective 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.380 amnesia but there is a common theme 01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:43.380 that I've found and I'm not sure 01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.640 I don't want to put words in Derek's mouth but he's done a lot of 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:47.340 research into this I'm actually excited to 01:11:47.340 --> 01:11:49.000 go ahead and watch some of those episodes 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.680 but there's also this consistent theme 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:53.580 of where there's like an oligarchical 01:11:53.580 --> 01:11:55.160 or elitist structure 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:56.620 that seeks 01:11:56.620 --> 01:11:59.600 to enslave people that would otherwise 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.920 obviously want to be authentically 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.560 autonomous and free 01:12:04.280 --> 01:12:05.820 but what exactly is the 01:12:05.820 --> 01:12:08.060 limits to our personal capabilities 01:12:08.620 --> 01:12:09.800 we don't really know that 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.100 and so what I believe is 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:13.040 based on my research 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.400 there's been this reciprocal relationship 01:12:15.400 --> 01:12:17.780 I've spoken about this in many times and maybe that's not the best 01:12:17.780 --> 01:12:19.800 term to use but it's one 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.000 in which elitism 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:23.040 encroaches 01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:25.120 and then humanity adapts 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.720 and so and I'm not in any way shape 01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:29.520 or form but I want people to misunderstand 01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.740 this or misconstrue this because you get this campus 01:12:31.740 --> 01:12:33.140 things that suffering is essential 01:12:34.120 --> 01:12:35.740 to humanity's growth and I just I don't 01:12:35.740 --> 01:12:37.740 believe that I think we can do it through other means 01:12:37.740 --> 01:12:39.680 we don't need psychopaths 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.980 and pedophiles to 01:12:41.860 --> 01:12:42.860 facilitate our evolution 01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:45.540 but I do think as they corner us 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:47.460 it's going to put us in a position 01:12:48.080 --> 01:12:49.620 where we have to dig deeper 01:12:49.620 --> 01:12:51.880 within our own resourcefulness 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:53.080 as the expression goes 01:12:53.780 --> 01:12:55.540 you never know how strong you are 01:12:56.080 --> 01:12:57.500 it's all being strong is the only 01:12:57.500 --> 01:12:59.520 choice that you have and so I've lived this 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.700 on an individual level I know that Derek has lived this 01:13:01.700 --> 01:13:03.700 on an individual level I know that you guys 01:13:03.700 --> 01:13:05.280 have lived this on an individual level 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.400 and so what's generally true 01:13:07.400 --> 01:13:09.480 for the individual is true for the collective 01:13:10.040 --> 01:13:11.580 now unfortunately a lot of people 01:13:11.580 --> 01:13:13.200 are going to get swept up in the bullshit 01:13:13.620 --> 01:13:15.480 are a lot of people going to be overcome 01:13:15.480 --> 01:13:17.800 by one of the most classical techniques 01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:19.100 of all which is fear 01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:21.720 yes but I still believe 01:13:22.440 --> 01:13:22.920 optimistically 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.560 and uncompromisingly that humanity 01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:26.840 will rise up 01:13:27.440 --> 01:13:28.700 I love that definitely 01:13:28.700 --> 01:13:31.360 I echo that sentiment that we're going to rise up 01:13:31.360 --> 01:13:32.400 and I mean 01:13:33.020 --> 01:13:35.320 I do think that I think there's multiple ways 01:13:35.320 --> 01:13:36.560 of thinking about it we are going through 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.340 a constant evolution of course and as Gavin 01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:41.460 was saying like are there going to be people who get caught up 01:13:41.460 --> 01:13:43.460 in the sort of technocrat trans 01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:45.440 humanist vision one way or the other 01:13:45.440 --> 01:13:47.020 some people will you know 01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:48.660 embrace it and love it and 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:51.420 jump the first in line 01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.040 sort of thing others will 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:55.440 probably go along with these different 01:13:56.020 --> 01:13:57.440 advancements both in terms of 01:13:57.440 --> 01:13:59.740 things they try to do to the human body 01:13:59.740 --> 01:14:01.360 whether that's brain trips or other 01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:03.300 forms of what they consider evolution 01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:05.480 some people will just get swept up in it 01:14:05.480 --> 01:14:07.060 because they have no other choice and 01:14:07.060 --> 01:14:09.320 just like with digital IDs and our concerns around 01:14:09.320 --> 01:14:11.240 that as these types of like let's say 01:14:11.240 --> 01:14:13.300 in some distant future or not 01:14:13.300 --> 01:14:15.260 so distant future it goes from 01:14:15.260 --> 01:14:17.580 being a physical digital ID that is necessary 01:14:17.580 --> 01:14:19.080 to operate in society to being 01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:21.180 what many people have feared a chip 01:14:21.180 --> 01:14:23.640 or something like that there will be a lot of people 01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.440 who because of their dependence 01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:27.600 on these systems have to go along with it 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.500 so they're not necessarily doing it because they're willing 01:14:29.500 --> 01:14:31.420 they are just doing it 01:14:31.420 --> 01:14:33.220 because well they didn't plan ahead and they have 01:14:33.220 --> 01:14:35.460 no other choice so I do think there will be 01:14:35.460 --> 01:14:37.400 people who will be swept up in these things 01:14:37.400 --> 01:14:38.880 some bought and sold others 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.880 you know I realized during COVID that 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.060 there's a number of different ways that these kinds of agendas 01:14:43.060 --> 01:14:43.940 are sold to us 01:14:44.460 --> 01:14:46.380 one of them is of course through entertainment 01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:48.740 so for example with facial recognition 01:14:48.740 --> 01:14:50.160 and these kinds of tools 01:14:50.700 --> 01:14:52.880 you see that all the major 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.960 I think all of the stadiums now 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:56.040 in the United States for the NFL 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.680 they have facial recognition so you don't even have 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:00.140 a physical ticket anymore it's not even 01:15:00.140 --> 01:15:02.740 with your phone it's just like scanning at the face 01:15:02.740 --> 01:15:04.880 and that was a partnership with the NFL right 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.740 well most people who not everybody of course 01:15:06.740 --> 01:15:08.440 but a lot of people who watch football 01:15:08.440 --> 01:15:09.900 maybe they don't really care about their privacy 01:15:09.900 --> 01:15:11.740 they're just there to see their team play 01:15:11.740 --> 01:15:14.660 so they'll make an exception or excuse for that 01:15:15.460 --> 01:15:16.340 that's one way 01:15:16.340 --> 01:15:18.940 of course the other way to sell these ideas is through fear 01:15:18.940 --> 01:15:20.920 we know that fear of terrorists 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:22.820 fear of immigrants well let's get you all the 01:15:22.820 --> 01:15:24.700 digital ID let's put facial recognition everywhere 01:15:24.700 --> 01:15:26.280 let's do flop cameras everywhere right 01:15:26.280 --> 01:15:28.380 they sell these agendas through fear 01:15:28.380 --> 01:15:29.460 they sell them through entertainment 01:15:30.220 --> 01:15:32.780 and numerous different paths that they can try to 01:15:32.780 --> 01:15:34.720 get the average person to 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.740 as Aldous Huxley said 01:15:36.740 --> 01:15:37.980 to enjoy their slavery 01:15:37.980 --> 01:15:40.640 to celebrate it right and so I think 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:41.960 that it's going to be the same thing 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.480 kind of tactics we see as transhumanism 01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:46.580 advances and as those as it goes 01:15:46.580 --> 01:15:48.720 from just being physical objects 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.580 like a digital ID or a phone you hold 01:15:50.580 --> 01:15:52.980 but to something that is implanted inside of you 01:15:52.980 --> 01:15:54.480 or to these 01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:56.080 different concepts that they 01:15:56.820 --> 01:15:58.580 claim are going to come to fruition 01:15:58.580 --> 01:16:00.360 you know altering human DNA 01:16:00.360 --> 01:16:02.160 and at the same time you know 01:16:02.160 --> 01:16:03.800 my volunteer side of me 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:06.160 philosophically does believe 01:16:06.160 --> 01:16:08.100 in bodily autonomy and does believe in 01:16:08.100 --> 01:16:09.960 individual liberty and I think that every 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:11.700 individual has that right to choose that 01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:14.020 if that is what they choose I think they're going to be 01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:15.660 making the wrong choice and I think in the long 01:16:15.660 --> 01:16:17.200 term we will probably find out 01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:19.800 as people like Rudolph Steiner and others 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.420 have warned about like that things like 01:16:21.420 --> 01:16:23.640 vaccinations and these other types of technology 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.880 the more we merge with it and goes from 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:27.640 being a tool but to being part of us 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.000 or maybe even taking over us 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.060 that we're also going to be kind of taken 01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:33.220 further away from the spiritual 01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:34.960 or the divine and whatever however you want to think 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:36.940 about that so I think there's a number of 01:16:36.940 --> 01:16:39.140 different problematic issues when it comes 01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:41.040 to transhumanism but 01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:43.120 still I think that it is 01:16:43.120 --> 01:16:45.000 every individual's right to choose what they 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.900 do with their body I think that's why it's 01:16:46.900 --> 01:16:48.540 important for us to have these kind of conversations 01:16:48.540 --> 01:16:50.840 because of people only hear the promises 01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:52.800 of Elon Musk that brain ships are going to help 01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:55.160 quadriplegic people walk again and it's 01:16:55.160 --> 01:16:56.620 going to do all these wonderful things 01:16:56.620 --> 01:16:58.700 if that's the only message people are hearing 01:16:58.700 --> 01:17:00.740 or even just like a convenient 01:17:00.740 --> 01:17:02.340 thing one of the other ones I've heard about 01:17:02.340 --> 01:17:04.440 which I think is a mild form of transhumanism 01:17:04.440 --> 01:17:06.620 is being able to you know instead of 01:17:06.620 --> 01:17:08.860 using contact lenses being able to modify 01:17:08.860 --> 01:17:10.580 somebody's eye color and being it 01:17:10.580 --> 01:17:12.420 there's you know research out there studies on this 01:17:12.420 --> 01:17:14.020 of how to be able to 01:17:14.580 --> 01:17:16.500 it get individuals to be able to alter their 01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:18.640 eye color alter different things about 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:20.520 your individual body using different 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:22.980 types of technology and so it'll be 01:17:22.980 --> 01:17:24.560 it'll be sold as kind of like novelty 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.020 and convenience and 01:17:26.500 --> 01:17:28.320 life-saving treatments and this and that but 01:17:28.320 --> 01:17:30.540 ultimately I do think it's taking us in the 01:17:30.540 --> 01:17:32.540 wrong direction the human evolution the 01:17:32.540 --> 01:17:34.020 you know the next human 01:17:34.020 --> 01:17:36.340 they say this is human 2.0 right the human 01:17:36.340 --> 01:17:38.500 2.0 I'm concerned about it that I'm interested 01:17:38.500 --> 01:17:40.460 in is one that brings together 01:17:40.460 --> 01:17:42.540 spirituality and bring to 01:17:42.540 --> 01:17:44.480 brings together indigenous knowledge from 01:17:44.480 --> 01:17:46.200 around the world and gets us more connected 01:17:46.200 --> 01:17:48.200 to the planet and to the creator 01:17:48.200 --> 01:17:50.180 and and you know that's like the 01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:52.260 spiritual intelligence emotional intelligence 01:17:52.260 --> 01:17:54.180 that I'm interested in terms of human 01:17:54.180 --> 01:17:56.440 humanity's evolution not so much 01:17:56.440 --> 01:17:57.920 you know merging with the machines 01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.320 I listened to too much fear factory when I was younger 01:18:00.320 --> 01:18:02.520 and watched too much Terminator to think that's a good idea 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:04.080 right 01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:06.100 right and you know I 01:18:06.100 --> 01:18:08.500 absolutely agree brother and that's sort of actually 01:18:08.500 --> 01:18:10.240 you know rubs up against my next 01:18:10.240 --> 01:18:12.360 question because I know we're sort of running down on time here 01:18:12.360 --> 01:18:14.280 we have a lot we have about 20 minutes and I know 01:18:14.280 --> 01:18:16.280 Jason has one more question after mine 01:18:16.280 --> 01:18:18.040 as well and then we still have our white pill 01:18:18.040 --> 01:18:20.320 but one thing I just wanted to sort 01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:22.540 of get your guys thoughts on 01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:24.680 is because we've touched on it a lot 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.120 throughout this episode partially with the learned helplessness 01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:28.100 partially with 01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:30.760 you know a lot of the other stuff but so 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.540 we were discussing earlier like right 01:18:32.540 --> 01:18:33.840 before the podcast started 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:36.420 sort of like the political delusion 01:18:36.420 --> 01:18:38.380 of how a lot of people 01:18:38.380 --> 01:18:40.320 sort of you know fall 01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:42.520 into these state cults 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.400 and they believe one thing or another and 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:46.240 it's 01:18:46.240 --> 01:18:47.960 certainly apparent with the whole 01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.460 technocracy thing and even with transhumanism 01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:51.660 you know people are delusional 01:18:51.660 --> 01:18:54.140 with that idea of oh yeah you know we'll just be 01:18:54.140 --> 01:18:55.540 you know half human 01:18:55.540 --> 01:18:57.660 cyborgs and everything's gonna be cool and the 01:18:57.660 --> 01:19:00.300 Elon Musk is gonna save the world and never mind the brain chips 01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:00.980 and blah blah blah blah 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:02.160 and 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:05.260 partially with that delusion we also see 01:19:05.260 --> 01:19:07.640 it also kind of jumps to my question about occultism 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:09.260 the fact that you know 01:19:09.260 --> 01:19:11.980 people get cost sunk into these ideas 01:19:11.980 --> 01:19:13.420 sometimes ideas that are deliberately 01:19:13.420 --> 01:19:15.060 force fed to them so they're like oh 01:19:15.060 --> 01:19:16.860 all occultism is evil 01:19:16.860 --> 01:19:18.900 anything that's you know paganism is evil 01:19:18.900 --> 01:19:21.040 blah blah when that is 100% not the case 01:19:21.700 --> 01:19:23.220 or even the idea 01:19:23.220 --> 01:19:25.040 with the Epstein files and you know we see 01:19:25.040 --> 01:19:26.960 people talking about all the sacrifices 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:28.900 to quote-unquote mollock 01:19:28.900 --> 01:19:31.140 when most people don't realize 01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:33.460 or know mollock was never even a canonite 01:19:33.460 --> 01:19:34.980 deity of Babylonian deity 01:19:34.980 --> 01:19:36.720 it was a ritualistic sacrifice 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.700 but this conspiracy culture 01:19:38.700 --> 01:19:41.440 sort of turned it into you know oh mollock 01:19:41.440 --> 01:19:43.360 point being because I don't want to ramble 01:19:43.360 --> 01:19:45.180 and take up a lot of our time 01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:47.220 how do you 01:19:47.220 --> 01:19:49.280 see both Derek 01:19:49.280 --> 01:19:51.140 and Gavin this 01:19:51.140 --> 01:19:52.640 these ideas 01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:55.280 these sort of cults of personality 01:19:55.280 --> 01:19:57.400 being utilized to brainwash 01:19:57.400 --> 01:19:59.440 people into one or another 01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:01.100 side of the political cult left 01:20:01.100 --> 01:20:03.180 right all you know everything 01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:05.700 has to be Christian or everything is satanic 01:20:05.700 --> 01:20:07.280 or you know just all of these 01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:09.620 different little ideas that are sort of 01:20:09.620 --> 01:20:11.220 you know put into people's 01:20:11.220 --> 01:20:11.920 heads to 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:13.800 create this 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:16.560 overarching divide and conquer narrative 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:19.080 that prevents people from reaching as Derek 01:20:19.080 --> 01:20:21.200 was describing that sort of holistic 01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:22.920 emotionally educated 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.520 sort of spiritual 01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:26.700 gnosis as it were 01:20:26.700 --> 01:20:28.060 I'll go ahead and use the word gnosis 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:30.940 yeah 100% man 01:20:30.940 --> 01:20:33.080 so I would first 01:20:33.080 --> 01:20:35.320 and foremost say that it's data driven again 01:20:35.320 --> 01:20:35.880 so 01:20:36.480 --> 01:20:38.860 and this is actually going back to Bertrand Russell 01:20:38.860 --> 01:20:40.880 he used to speak about 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.140 how science will be weaponized 01:20:43.140 --> 01:20:44.300 in the future 01:20:44.860 --> 01:20:46.460 there will be scientific dictatorships 01:20:46.460 --> 01:20:47.740 it will become more and more common 01:20:48.380 --> 01:20:50.780 and these are very much data driven 01:20:50.780 --> 01:20:52.660 decisions so they 01:20:52.660 --> 01:20:54.380 learn about the target population 01:20:54.380 --> 01:20:56.320 and then they will present a figure 01:20:56.980 --> 01:20:58.260 amenable to whatever 01:20:58.860 --> 01:21:00.560 that expectation 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:01.400 desires 01:21:02.120 --> 01:21:03.980 so when we got on it 01:21:04.820 --> 01:21:06.200 before we got on air 01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:07.420 I spoke a little bit about 01:21:08.180 --> 01:21:09.960 the documentary from Adam Curtis 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:10.880 Century of Self 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:13.520 where for the first time 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.660 they began to just heavily 01:21:16.200 --> 01:21:17.180 utilize data 01:21:17.980 --> 01:21:20.140 driven political campaigns 01:21:20.140 --> 01:21:21.220 through Ronald Reagan 01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:23.320 through the Val's campaign which was 01:21:23.320 --> 01:21:25.560 values and lifestyles and they found out 01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:27.700 what subscription this person has a subscription to 01:21:27.700 --> 01:21:29.200 gun magazine whatever it is 01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:31.600 and then they weaponized that against the people 01:21:32.200 --> 01:21:33.280 and of course they're very famous 01:21:33.280 --> 01:21:34.780 since Ronald Reagan was an actor 01:21:35.280 --> 01:21:37.480 passed forward and of course Obama comes along 01:21:37.480 --> 01:21:38.880 he has a messiah complex 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:41.420 they're comparing him to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr 01:21:41.420 --> 01:21:43.260 and I was so naive man 01:21:43.260 --> 01:21:45.120 when he was on his way out I was like 01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:47.000 thank god that shit is done with 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.260 and then boom yeah it comes to Donald Trump 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:51.280 and with Donald Trump 01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:53.160 undeniably, undoubtedly 01:21:53.860 --> 01:21:54.860 it is very 01:21:54.860 --> 01:21:57.180 sophisticated and data driven 01:21:57.180 --> 01:21:59.300 which is to say that 01:22:00.180 --> 01:22:01.040 they clearly 01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:03.060 know I mean also if you look at some of the 01:22:03.060 --> 01:22:04.700 scanners, the Cambridge Analytica scandal 01:22:04.700 --> 01:22:06.380 obviously is very close with these 01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:07.920 tech oligarchs and so on 01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:10.800 they very clearly have a great deal of data 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.680 and information on 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:14.740 the population they are targeting and again because 01:22:14.740 --> 01:22:16.940 we have been unfortunately so misled for 01:22:16.940 --> 01:22:18.100 generations and generations 01:22:18.100 --> 01:22:20.980 very few people authentically have self knowledge 01:22:20.980 --> 01:22:23.080 of themselves they haven't made 01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:24.960 the unconscious conscious within themselves 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:26.760 and so the unconscious parts of them 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:28.800 get weaponized that's what the state 01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.320 always does that's what the parasite class always does 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:32.900 another thing that we 01:22:32.900 --> 01:22:34.900 briefly touched on in the podcast 01:22:34.900 --> 01:22:36.300 I did with you guys last time 01:22:36.740 --> 01:22:38.880 was how many people authentically have 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:40.840 encountered somebody that's like oh you will call me 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.840 by my pronouns and this kind 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.420 of radical leftist ideology 01:22:44.420 --> 01:22:46.840 it's a very small minority but what 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:48.360 can they do with 01:22:48.360 --> 01:22:51.060 the technology that we have in our hands 01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:52.960 well they can monopolize which is 01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:54.740 something they used to talk about in MKUltra 01:22:54.740 --> 01:22:56.440 and also you can find it in the 01:22:56.440 --> 01:22:57.860 kubok interrogation manual 01:22:58.360 --> 01:23:00.620 they would monopolize the social 01:23:00.620 --> 01:23:02.500 environment which means you take control 01:23:02.500 --> 01:23:04.180 of somebody's interpretation of reality 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:06.500 and I don't know if you guys can recall 01:23:06.500 --> 01:23:08.480 likely you can because we've all been doing this for 01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:10.280 around the same period of time about 01:23:10.280 --> 01:23:12.560 15 years ago right and I'm 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.120 not a religious person I'm not an atheist 01:23:14.120 --> 01:23:16.460 definitely believe in a higher power or myself 01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:18.440 spiritual but about 15 01:23:18.440 --> 01:23:20.240 years ago there was a very 01:23:20.240 --> 01:23:22.760 strong undertone in fact an overtone 01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:24.800 of kind of militant 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.540 atheism and 01:23:26.540 --> 01:23:28.240 a lot of people I noticed 01:23:28.240 --> 01:23:30.320 I had Christian friends and so on and so forth 01:23:30.320 --> 01:23:32.260 that were very scared to pronounce 01:23:32.610 --> 01:23:34.560 their beliefs now 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.280 it's been totally inverted 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:38.840 and what I find fascinating about that 01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:40.980 is I've studied the history 01:23:40.980 --> 01:23:42.300 of how 01:23:42.300 --> 01:23:44.600 communist Russia and a great 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:46.320 publication to check out is of course 01:23:46.320 --> 01:23:48.640 Professor Anthony Sutton he documented 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:50.360 this in great detail 01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:52.280 with a number of different publications 01:23:52.280 --> 01:23:54.280 he has several publications actually into it 01:23:54.280 --> 01:23:55.860 that was lauded by the big new 01:23:55.860 --> 01:23:58.520 and even the Council on Foreign Relations 01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:00.580 before he started to like really dig deep 01:24:00.580 --> 01:24:02.740 into everything but he documented 01:24:02.740 --> 01:24:04.420 on how communist Russia 01:24:05.440 --> 01:24:06.400 technologically, militarily 01:24:06.400 --> 01:24:08.160 were built up 01:24:08.160 --> 01:24:10.520 by western powers 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:12.400 and I went a bit deeper with it 01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:14.100 and I found out that these were individuals 01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:15.640 that were in leadership positions 01:24:16.240 --> 01:24:17.920 of the Council on Foreign Relations 01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.380 well lo and behold what was 01:24:20.380 --> 01:24:22.660 the reaction to this radical leftism 01:24:22.900 --> 01:24:24.600 it was fascism 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:26.180 Italy, Mussolini 01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:28.260 and then of course Hitler, Hitler was very 01:24:28.260 --> 01:24:30.220 violently opposed against 01:24:30.220 --> 01:24:31.900 communism but what happens 01:24:31.900 --> 01:24:34.020 one action you have an equal reaction 01:24:34.020 --> 01:24:36.040 and so we now know 01:24:36.040 --> 01:24:37.800 as I've documented in great detail 01:24:38.380 --> 01:24:40.340 the people that were behind 01:24:40.340 --> 01:24:41.460 Hitler's rise to power 01:24:41.460 --> 01:24:44.000 not just financially and militarily 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:45.860 even ideologically because 01:24:46.240 --> 01:24:48.860 his entire eugenics ethos 01:24:48.860 --> 01:24:50.880 was given to him from 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:51.900 other western nations 01:24:52.820 --> 01:24:54.920 when you take all of that into account 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:56.360 and you see 01:24:56.360 --> 01:24:58.820 that okay they're playing 01:24:58.820 --> 01:25:00.940 both sides and they have 01:25:00.940 --> 01:25:02.500 a very indifferent look 01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:04.360 that's like the Rockefeller network 01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:05.860 they don't really care 01:25:05.860 --> 01:25:08.080 like Derrick was saying 01:25:08.660 --> 01:25:10.680 the problem is when they present themselves 01:25:11.400 --> 01:25:12.840 as the proverbial 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:14.420 sheep but there's a wolf inside 01:25:14.420 --> 01:25:16.060 that's the fundamental problem 01:25:16.060 --> 01:25:18.360 and so what I see with what they did 01:25:18.360 --> 01:25:19.620 in more recent history 01:25:19.620 --> 01:25:22.000 is they had this radical leftist movement 01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:23.760 and now you had this equally radical 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:25.200 rightist movement emerging 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.020 and so it just promotes tribalism 01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:29.540 and again it's data driven 01:25:30.060 --> 01:25:31.900 and it's based on sophisticated social 01:25:31.900 --> 01:25:32.460 engineering 01:25:33.300 --> 01:25:35.760 I would just basically echo that 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:37.860 just briefly that Gavin 01:25:37.860 --> 01:25:39.420 you mentioned the Cambridge Analytica 01:25:39.420 --> 01:25:41.640 and that's something that I've spent quite 01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:43.220 a bit of time looking into as well 01:25:43.220 --> 01:25:45.100 and I mean we could do 01:25:45.100 --> 01:25:47.020 and there's plenty of podcasts out there 01:25:47.020 --> 01:25:48.600 that talk about it but I think overall 01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.260 in terms of the independent truth-seeking media 01:25:51.260 --> 01:25:53.260 that a lot of people 01:25:53.260 --> 01:25:55.140 dropped the ball on that in terms of understanding 01:25:55.140 --> 01:25:56.540 how important it really is 01:25:56.540 --> 01:25:58.880 like you said just the way that 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.120 everything they know about us 01:26:00.120 --> 01:26:02.560 is through the data that we've voluntarily given 01:26:02.980 --> 01:26:04.940 and that particular scandal 01:26:04.940 --> 01:26:06.700 that particular leak 01:26:06.700 --> 01:26:09.000 and showing how Facebook data was used 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.800 by the Trump administration and others 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:12.920 in order to know how to feed the message 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:14.780 I mean I think everything related to 01:26:14.780 --> 01:26:15.900 the Q&A 01:26:15.900 --> 01:26:18.300 probably came out of Cambridge Analytica 01:26:18.300 --> 01:26:20.840 in a similar data collection just knowing how 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:22.720 we could feed this particular message 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:24.580 and it's going to make this crowd 01:26:24.580 --> 01:26:26.300 think that Trump is a hero 01:26:26.300 --> 01:26:28.540 we can feed this message and it's going to trigger this little 01:26:28.540 --> 01:26:29.760 segment of the population 01:26:30.380 --> 01:26:31.920 they've got it down to a science 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:34.360 so it's another reason why I think that just 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:37.080 in whatever practices or modalities 01:26:37.080 --> 01:26:38.220 you have 01:26:38.220 --> 01:26:39.640 or you're inclined towards 01:26:40.120 --> 01:26:41.940 using that to just root yourself 01:26:41.940 --> 01:26:44.000 even stronger in your own mind, your own heart 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:45.760 your own spirit and knowing who you are 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.700 what are your principles, what guides you 01:26:48.100 --> 01:26:49.700 because otherwise even the most 01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:51.360 well-intentioned 01:26:51.360 --> 01:26:54.220 truth-seeker can be swept up in the hysteria 01:26:54.220 --> 01:26:56.040 of the day and it can be done by 01:26:56.040 --> 01:26:58.140 design there could be a very good 01:26:58.140 --> 01:27:00.140 reason or some operation that is wanting you to 01:27:00.140 --> 01:27:02.220 look in this direction or wanting you to feel this way 01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:03.760 whether that's to be angry 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:06.220 even righteous anger or to be 01:27:06.220 --> 01:27:08.380 sad or depressed or to fight over 01:27:08.380 --> 01:27:09.840 this thing or to attack this person 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.160 like you mentioned with the sort of pronoun issue 01:27:12.160 --> 01:27:14.080 they can take concepts 01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:16.300 and ideas which might only affect a very 01:27:16.300 --> 01:27:18.100 very small portion of the population 01:27:18.100 --> 01:27:20.560 or maybe even no one and amplify it 01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:22.220 and have it go viral on tiktok and instagram 01:27:22.220 --> 01:27:24.400 and elsewhere and then the next thing it's the topic of the day 01:27:24.400 --> 01:27:26.260 it's the debate of the day it's the thing we're spending 01:27:26.260 --> 01:27:28.200 hours of our precious time 01:27:28.200 --> 01:27:30.120 arguing with people and I'm saying this 01:27:30.120 --> 01:27:32.360 from experience of having been swept up 01:27:32.360 --> 01:27:34.040 in these things I think we all have experienced that 01:27:34.040 --> 01:27:35.880 and then realize like shit I just got freaking 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:37.860 pulled into this and even if it's not an operation 01:27:37.860 --> 01:27:39.220 even if this is a real issue 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:41.880 did I just serve any purpose did I provide any 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:43.860 value to myself did I help my family did I help 01:27:43.860 --> 01:27:46.020 my community did I help myself that I 01:27:46.020 --> 01:27:47.760 learn a new skill or 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:49.980 did I just waste time debating 01:27:49.980 --> 01:27:51.420 with a bot potentially 01:27:52.100 --> 01:27:52.580 right 01:27:53.620 --> 01:27:55.840 yeah excellent point Derek I find 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.900 myself asking myself that more 01:27:57.900 --> 01:27:59.740 and more especially lately especially 01:27:59.740 --> 01:28:01.800 with the influx of bots it seemed like 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.580 they're everywhere on twitter 01:28:03.580 --> 01:28:05.800 with their one word responses just trying 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:08.180 to troll and inflame the conversation 01:28:08.180 --> 01:28:09.740 but this has certainly 01:28:09.740 --> 01:28:11.520 been a fascinating conversation 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:13.680 I'm so grateful for everybody on this 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:15.700 call today and before I 01:28:15.700 --> 01:28:17.660 get into my my last 01:28:17.660 --> 01:28:19.780 question here I'm thinking a little bit 01:28:19.780 --> 01:28:21.760 bigger picture for this one I'm thinking about kind of 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:23.740 more of like the the human impact 01:28:23.740 --> 01:28:25.800 here and I think it might be able 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:27.800 to give people some tools to kind of see through 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:29.620 the psyops and the genders and the propaganda 01:28:29.620 --> 01:28:31.600 and I think maybe Matt 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:33.620 will serve up the final white 01:28:33.620 --> 01:28:35.760 pill question at the end here but with 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:37.560 transhumanism eugenics and 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:39.580 like all these emerging biometric 01:28:39.580 --> 01:28:41.560 and AI driven systems it's 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.460 kind of easy to get lost in the 01:28:43.460 --> 01:28:45.380 abstract theory of 01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:47.400 it all and the futuristic vision of 01:28:47.400 --> 01:28:49.640 you know what these technocrats want 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:51.680 for society so I kind of wanted to 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:53.660 zoom out to like the everyday 01:28:53.660 --> 01:28:55.320 person and like how these 01:28:55.320 --> 01:28:57.580 agendas actually impact our lives right 01:28:57.580 --> 01:28:59.140 now I mean obviously 01:28:59.140 --> 01:29:01.400 these technologies are framed as 01:29:01.400 --> 01:29:03.460 like you know progress and convenience 01:29:03.460 --> 01:29:05.580 the innovation all these types 01:29:05.580 --> 01:29:07.500 of things but they we've seen 01:29:07.500 --> 01:29:08.860 kind of a pattern here and especially 01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:11.500 around covid where it's like first it's 01:29:11.500 --> 01:29:12.980 optional you know and then 01:29:12.980 --> 01:29:15.360 businesses adopt it then institutions 01:29:15.360 --> 01:29:16.900 require it and then eventually 01:29:17.470 --> 01:29:19.180 you can't opt out of some of these 01:29:19.180 --> 01:29:20.760 things without paying a price or a 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:23.040 penalty or fine so I wanted 01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:25.220 to ask both of you how do we 01:29:25.220 --> 01:29:27.260 recognize when these invasive technologies 01:29:27.260 --> 01:29:28.840 stop being these you know 01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.180 optional conveniences and 01:29:31.180 --> 01:29:32.660 start becoming more of these social 01:29:33.080 --> 01:29:34.900 expectations like we like we saw during 01:29:34.900 --> 01:29:36.920 covid the kinds of things that you need 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:38.880 to participate in to work or 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:40.440 for health care or for travel or 01:29:40.440 --> 01:29:42.760 just kind of the basic interaction 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:44.960 with public life so 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:46.960 again I'm not a religious dude right 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:48.700 but there is a great expression that 01:29:48.700 --> 01:29:50.480 I think helps to encapsulate 01:29:50.480 --> 01:29:52.560 my point which is 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:55.040 by their fruits you shall know them 01:29:55.040 --> 01:29:56.300 just to say that a 01:29:56.300 --> 01:29:58.580 a good tree is going to give you good fruit 01:29:58.580 --> 01:30:00.420 but a bad tree which is to say it's got 01:30:00.420 --> 01:30:02.580 bad roots it's only going to give you bad 01:30:02.580 --> 01:30:04.640 fruit and so all we need to 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:06.580 do is look at who is in charge of 01:30:06.580 --> 01:30:08.700 these technologies do they 01:30:08.700 --> 01:30:10.620 have humanity's best interest in mind 01:30:10.620 --> 01:30:12.220 what does their track record say 01:30:12.220 --> 01:30:14.040 what do their mouths say 01:30:14.740 --> 01:30:16.160 what do their writings say 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:18.640 and when it becomes very clear 01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.900 at least to me it is unambiguously 01:30:20.900 --> 01:30:23.220 clear and I know it can be difficult 01:30:23.220 --> 01:30:24.800 like Derek was 01:30:25.360 --> 01:30:27.140 unbly acknowledging we are all 01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:28.820 you know being a dad 01:30:28.820 --> 01:30:30.980 now and looking at my child always 01:30:30.980 --> 01:30:33.200 been very interested and fascinated by human nature 01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:35.020 and it's far more natural 01:30:35.020 --> 01:30:36.980 to us to get swept 01:30:36.980 --> 01:30:39.000 up in emotions the intoxicating 01:30:39.480 --> 01:30:41.000 feeling of emotions we are 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:43.080 predisposed to that and so we have 01:30:43.080 --> 01:30:45.040 to be mindful of that we have to take a step back 01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:46.740 constantly when that takes place 01:30:47.400 --> 01:30:48.840 and so I know there's a lot of very 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:50.380 alluring and exciting propaganda 01:30:50.380 --> 01:30:52.580 and you know just introductory 01:30:53.200 --> 01:30:54.960 social engineering is that 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.000 a loud voice is louder than 01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.060 a soft voice and so they are screaming 01:30:59.060 --> 01:31:00.940 you know ears about all these different narratives 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:02.860 but if we can just 01:31:02.860 --> 01:31:04.240 find a way 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:07.160 like Derek was saying to be grounded 01:31:07.160 --> 01:31:08.820 inside of ourselves to be grounded internally 01:31:08.820 --> 01:31:11.000 and this takes practice but anybody can do it 01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:12.640 I know me being plagued with 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:14.360 anxiety and PTSD I was 01:31:14.360 --> 01:31:17.260 internally at warth myself all the time 01:31:17.260 --> 01:31:19.460 I can do it then I know anybody 01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:21.420 can do it but that's 01:31:21.420 --> 01:31:23.360 what people actually need to start if you 01:31:23.360 --> 01:31:25.520 are having these internal conflicts 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:27.500 and you are feeling pushed and pulled 01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:29.040 by just trigger terms and words 01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:31.540 start internally with yourself 01:31:32.220 --> 01:31:33.380 and you know 01:31:33.380 --> 01:31:35.100 I don't want to hug up too much time there 01:31:35.100 --> 01:31:36.120 but 01:31:37.620 --> 01:31:39.180 invariably I think that 01:31:39.180 --> 01:31:41.420 if we can just take a 01:31:41.420 --> 01:31:43.180 step back recognize 01:31:43.180 --> 01:31:45.480 that these people 01:31:46.120 --> 01:31:47.160 are clearly 01:31:48.140 --> 01:31:49.880 engaged in sinister intentions 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:51.580 I mean the direction of 01:31:51.580 --> 01:31:53.640 what's going on around the world like we're living through 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.740 a fucking genocide we've lived through a genocide 01:31:55.740 --> 01:31:57.480 the scantemic period 01:31:57.480 --> 01:31:59.420 I don't want to get too hysterical 01:31:59.420 --> 01:32:01.440 but it's pretty clear 01:32:01.440 --> 01:32:03.040 and now they're like agitating for 01:32:03.040 --> 01:32:04.960 what could potentially be a third world war 01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:08.260 the people at the steering wheel are a problem guys 01:32:08.260 --> 01:32:09.280 so 01:32:09.280 --> 01:32:11.800 let's take a step back and recognize that 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.440 they being in charge of this technology 01:32:14.440 --> 01:32:16.440 is already a problem so the writing 01:32:16.440 --> 01:32:17.320 is on the wall there 01:32:17.320 --> 01:32:19.940 and no one can do everything 01:32:19.940 --> 01:32:21.360 but everyone can do something 01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:24.460 and we should just be pragmatic 01:32:24.460 --> 01:32:26.400 so when I look 01:32:26.400 --> 01:32:27.300 at Derek for example 01:32:27.300 --> 01:32:30.240 Derek has been probably the best 01:32:30.240 --> 01:32:32.540 personification of being creative 01:32:32.540 --> 01:32:34.320 in that he is creating 01:32:34.320 --> 01:32:36.480 like a proper exit strategy 01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:38.240 which is wonderful 01:32:38.240 --> 01:32:39.940 that is absolutely needed 01:32:39.940 --> 01:32:41.880 you know having a 01:32:43.120 --> 01:32:43.640 community 01:32:44.280 --> 01:32:45.920 that can step into the future 01:32:46.780 --> 01:32:47.820 and pursue 01:32:47.820 --> 01:32:49.720 what I believe humanity is actually 01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:51.880 programmed to do and that's 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:53.440 genuinely create a better world 01:32:53.440 --> 01:32:55.840 but then you have to also be practical based 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:56.940 on your personal circumstances 01:32:56.940 --> 01:32:59.320 and then so for somebody like myself 01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:01.120 I say well what can I do 01:33:01.120 --> 01:33:03.320 well first of all I've got a lot of personal circumstances 01:33:03.740 --> 01:33:05.940 that arose from 2019 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:07.540 when almost 01:33:07.540 --> 01:33:09.720 you know almost fatally 01:33:10.360 --> 01:33:11.980 died or and so on and so forth 01:33:11.980 --> 01:33:13.100 and then I had a child and 01:33:13.540 --> 01:33:15.600 so I have to be realistic and work within that framework 01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:17.800 and say okay I've got to take care 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:19.860 of this little boy and that requires 01:33:19.860 --> 01:33:21.560 me to take care of myself first 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:23.780 but what can I still do to contribute 01:33:23.780 --> 01:33:25.700 because innately what I've found is all 01:33:25.700 --> 01:33:27.780 of our purposes in my 01:33:27.780 --> 01:33:29.640 experience are connected to 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:31.180 contributing in some way 01:33:31.180 --> 01:33:33.360 and so I know I can be a strategist 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:35.180 I can help people 01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:37.420 to unlearn helplessness 01:33:37.420 --> 01:33:38.920 and to empower them 01:33:39.420 --> 01:33:40.720 and just kind of 01:33:41.420 --> 01:33:43.320 echoing what a lot of what Derek has been saying 01:33:43.320 --> 01:33:45.240 and I think what I've also been saying in this podcast 01:33:45.240 --> 01:33:47.300 and also you guys is that 01:33:47.300 --> 01:33:49.660 it is important undeniably 01:33:49.660 --> 01:33:51.360 to be aware of what's 01:33:51.360 --> 01:33:53.440 transpiring and on some level 01:33:53.440 --> 01:33:55.240 to be responsive not reactive 01:33:55.240 --> 01:33:57.020 but we do need to be creative 01:33:57.560 --> 01:33:59.620 and whatever that creativity is 01:33:59.620 --> 01:34:01.480 it's something that's going to be an internal 01:34:01.480 --> 01:34:02.600 conviction for yourself 01:34:03.320 --> 01:34:04.800 Excellent excellent answered 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:06.800 Alright yeah so as you guys both know 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:07.900 before we wrap we always 01:34:07.900 --> 01:34:09.640 we always end in a white pill but 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.180 I want to do some glazing first because I love you guys 01:34:12.180 --> 01:34:15.220 man and you know we've been knowing each other for a very long time 01:34:15.220 --> 01:34:16.780 Gavin I haven't met you in person 01:34:16.780 --> 01:34:18.800 but I feel like we have hung out in person 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:19.420 for a long time 01:34:19.420 --> 01:34:22.900 yeah man what you guys 01:34:22.900 --> 01:34:24.180 do is rare you know 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:26.700 we're lucky again I say this a lot 01:34:26.700 --> 01:34:28.680 because there's very few people that do 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:30.660 that stay principled and keep going 01:34:30.660 --> 01:34:32.780 like the people that we have on this podcast 01:34:32.780 --> 01:34:34.120 and it's almost like you just 01:34:34.120 --> 01:34:36.340 change this podcast name to keeping your principles 01:34:36.340 --> 01:34:39.140 I mean except we've had some people 01:34:39.140 --> 01:34:40.700 who have since 01:34:40.700 --> 01:34:42.640 changed their view but anyway 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.560 man yeah Gavin dude I know you're like 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:45.800 you're always working in the background 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.400 you've got like a totally different ethic 01:34:48.400 --> 01:34:50.500 you know you kind of disappear for months at a time 01:34:50.500 --> 01:34:52.720 and then you pop up and you have this 01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:54.340 new project you're working on and it's amazing 01:34:54.340 --> 01:34:56.360 I love it and I just I can't wait to see 01:34:56.360 --> 01:34:58.320 what the future holds from you like especially with 01:34:58.320 --> 01:35:00.140 the Truth Warrior Academy 01:35:00.140 --> 01:35:01.520 you know I 01:35:02.100 --> 01:35:04.160 I'm like looking forward to that launch 01:35:04.160 --> 01:35:06.240 and bros man you know 01:35:06.240 --> 01:35:08.080 it's different with you like I see you out there 01:35:08.080 --> 01:35:09.980 every day in the trenches on Twitter you know 01:35:10.420 --> 01:35:11.640 like I love it when 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.040 when Elon posts some bullshit and you're like 01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:15.780 shut the fuck up 01:35:15.780 --> 01:35:17.700 sometimes I can't resist man 01:35:17.700 --> 01:35:19.220 I've got an event for the month 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:22.500 it's like dude that's what I want to say 01:35:22.500 --> 01:35:24.240 you know so I want to say that shit out loud 01:35:24.240 --> 01:35:26.260 but I mean you also 01:35:26.260 --> 01:35:28.100 work in the background too with your new book dude 01:35:28.100 --> 01:35:30.160 you know a man in my word which is 01:35:30.160 --> 01:35:32.200 which is awesome I haven't read it yet but I 01:35:32.200 --> 01:35:34.120 I can't wait man I love reading my friends books 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:35.640 but anyway 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:38.180 we've spent the last hour and a 01:35:38.180 --> 01:35:40.160 half or hour and 45 minutes 01:35:40.160 --> 01:35:42.300 actually talking about some of the 01:35:42.300 --> 01:35:44.280 darkest corners of the global elite 01:35:44.280 --> 01:35:46.080 man it's you know it's easy for people to 01:35:46.080 --> 01:35:48.340 feel like they're being swallowed up by this giant high-tech 01:35:48.340 --> 01:35:50.140 machine but you know like 01:35:50.140 --> 01:35:52.240 Gavin didn't even get a white pill and just talking 01:35:52.240 --> 01:35:54.040 given Jason's answer last 01:35:54.040 --> 01:35:56.300 question started getting white pill 01:35:56.300 --> 01:35:58.200 that's the reason we do this show is right 01:35:58.200 --> 01:35:59.860 we want to find the exit strategy 01:35:59.860 --> 01:36:02.400 we want to give solutions 01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:03.560 to people and 01:36:04.300 --> 01:36:06.360 so to end on a high note you know as 01:36:06.360 --> 01:36:08.260 we begun with the Andrew 01:36:08.260 --> 01:36:10.460 Prince Andrew's arrest right this old 01:36:10.460 --> 01:36:12.500 world system of blackmail 01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:14.260 and central control 01:36:14.260 --> 01:36:16.420 control seems to be cannibalizing itself 01:36:16.420 --> 01:36:18.560 like at least on the surface and that 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:20.120 gives me a little bit of hope right so 01:36:20.120 --> 01:36:22.180 what's the most encouraging thing 01:36:22.180 --> 01:36:24.160 we could start with Gavin right what's the most 01:36:24.160 --> 01:36:26.020 encouraging thing you see happening in the 01:36:26.020 --> 01:36:27.240 parallel world right now 01:36:27.240 --> 01:36:30.100 whether it's like algorithm local community 01:36:30.100 --> 01:36:31.620 building or like 01:36:32.160 --> 01:36:33.760 anything out there that you see that 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:36.280 our listeners should be putting their 01:36:36.280 --> 01:36:38.060 energy today in to ensure 01:36:38.060 --> 01:36:40.040 that the technocracy fails before it gets 01:36:40.040 --> 01:36:42.360 any for any more further established 01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:44.280 Gavin what's your thoughts brother 01:36:44.860 --> 01:36:46.660 so thank you first and foremost for the 01:36:46.660 --> 01:36:48.380 very kind words and encouragement brother 01:36:48.380 --> 01:36:49.540 I really appreciate that man 01:36:50.460 --> 01:36:51.180 you know 01:36:51.180 --> 01:36:53.360 so I think that it's 01:36:53.360 --> 01:36:54.500 it's all around us man 01:36:55.100 --> 01:36:57.040 we've all been doing this again around the 01:36:57.040 --> 01:36:59.080 same period of time and it's 01:36:59.080 --> 01:37:01.160 easy to forget because time has 01:37:01.160 --> 01:37:03.060 just flown right I still feel like that kid 01:37:03.060 --> 01:37:04.280 that just started this out of 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:06.740 like this innocent interest 01:37:07.640 --> 01:37:08.120 but 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.000 the quantum leaps that have been taken in 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:13.300 the discussions that can be had 01:37:13.300 --> 01:37:15.560 the darkness that has been illuminated 01:37:16.240 --> 01:37:17.720 and yes we've got a lot of legwork 01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:19.600 to do in regards to the tribalism 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:22.020 but one thing I actually did become aware of 01:37:22.020 --> 01:37:23.760 I mean I try not to plug in too much to 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.540 the proverbial matrix when these events 01:37:25.540 --> 01:37:27.660 transpire but I actually saw 01:37:27.660 --> 01:37:29.520 a lot of people seem beyond 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.040 the political bullshit man 01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:33.440 I would just glaze over 01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:35.800 the comments where the bots weren't taking over 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:37.400 and 01:37:38.140 --> 01:37:39.060 lo and behold 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:41.540 people are becoming disillusioned 01:37:41.540 --> 01:37:43.360 and it's like every single time they come 01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:45.540 with whether it is a genuine 01:37:45.540 --> 01:37:47.540 site or an organic 01:37:47.540 --> 01:37:50.580 event more and more people are becoming disillusioned 01:37:50.580 --> 01:37:52.520 and like I said man I'm just 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:53.980 truly optimistic 01:37:53.980 --> 01:37:56.220 that we will rise 01:37:56.220 --> 01:37:58.380 collectively as a human species 01:37:58.380 --> 01:38:00.780 I just don't think they're going to be able to outplay 01:38:00.780 --> 01:38:02.600 the grand chess player 01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:05.700 the grand master that created us 01:38:05.700 --> 01:38:06.780 I do believe somebody 01:38:06.780 --> 01:38:08.920 someone something created us 01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:10.340 and they had benevolent intentions 01:38:10.340 --> 01:38:12.240 and there's a proverbial fail 01:38:12.240 --> 01:38:13.220 safe inside of us 01:38:13.220 --> 01:38:16.080 and I think we will rise to the occasion 01:38:16.080 --> 01:38:18.240 and then just one thing before I do hand it over 01:38:18.240 --> 01:38:20.060 to Derek that I think is relevant 01:38:20.060 --> 01:38:21.980 for everybody right now that's listening to this 01:38:21.980 --> 01:38:23.620 you've probably heard about it before 01:38:24.160 --> 01:38:26.160 it was this very interesting study done 01:38:26.160 --> 01:38:28.440 in the 50s right by Johns Hopkins University 01:38:29.040 --> 01:38:30.620 and I mean it's kind of sad and tragic 01:38:30.620 --> 01:38:32.060 rats are always getting the 01:38:32.060 --> 01:38:34.160 shit into the stick but they took 01:38:34.160 --> 01:38:36.160 these rats and they put them in some 01:38:36.160 --> 01:38:38.200 water for 15 minutes 01:38:38.200 --> 01:38:40.340 but there was no way they could escape and they drowned 01:38:40.340 --> 01:38:41.580 in 15 minutes right 01:38:43.140 --> 01:38:44.340 however when they rescued 01:38:44.340 --> 01:38:46.520 them just before the 15 minute time limit 01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:47.600 lapsed 01:38:48.080 --> 01:38:49.700 and they put them in the water again 01:38:50.180 --> 01:38:52.220 those rats would swim 01:38:52.220 --> 01:38:54.740 for dozens and dozens of hours 01:38:54.740 --> 01:38:56.700 because they had hope 01:38:56.700 --> 01:38:58.340 and so the 01:38:58.340 --> 01:39:00.160 key thing guys 01:39:00.160 --> 01:39:01.260 is that there is hope 01:39:01.260 --> 01:39:03.920 I'm not trying to be ridiculously 01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:06.680 and unnaturally romantic in my interpretations 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:08.060 but the 01:39:08.060 --> 01:39:10.280 pivotal social engineering 01:39:10.280 --> 01:39:12.280 technique that has been weaponized for thousands 01:39:12.280 --> 01:39:14.520 of years again you can read about this in the art of war 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:16.220 from Sun Tzu is they want 01:39:16.220 --> 01:39:17.600 to rob you of hope 01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:20.260 and so be mindful 01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:22.120 that this light at the end of the tunnel 01:39:22.120 --> 01:39:24.420 but that tunnel is inside 01:39:24.420 --> 01:39:26.360 yourself so don't get 01:39:26.360 --> 01:39:28.340 too reactive and caught up in what's 01:39:28.340 --> 01:39:30.040 going externally around you 01:39:30.040 --> 01:39:32.100 doesn't mean that now I'm promoting ignorance 01:39:32.100 --> 01:39:34.080 doesn't mean that I'm saying that you need to be indifferent 01:39:34.620 --> 01:39:36.360 but pay more attention 01:39:36.360 --> 01:39:38.400 and energy to the internal 01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:40.400 environment because that's when shit's gonna 01:39:40.400 --> 01:39:40.780 change 01:39:41.780 --> 01:39:42.860 beautiful I love that 01:39:42.860 --> 01:39:44.340 I'll just add real quick 01:39:44.340 --> 01:39:47.820 I share a similar vision 01:39:47.820 --> 01:39:50.220 and I don't know how else to say it 01:39:50.220 --> 01:39:52.160 other than just the way it comes to me 01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:53.880 I'm not a pessimist 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:56.200 I'm not an overly optimistic person either 01:39:56.200 --> 01:39:57.720 but I'm not a black pilled person 01:39:58.380 --> 01:39:59.400 I do have hope 01:39:59.400 --> 01:40:01.580 I continuously heard throughout my life 01:40:01.580 --> 01:40:03.440 from one of my greatest spiritual influences 01:40:03.440 --> 01:40:05.680 my granny that as long as there's life 01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:08.260 there's hope and I always take that 01:40:08.260 --> 01:40:09.740 with me I think as long as we're alive 01:40:09.740 --> 01:40:10.540 as long as we're breathing 01:40:11.480 --> 01:40:14.300 there's still an opportunity 01:40:14.300 --> 01:40:16.320 there's still a chance for us to turn things around 01:40:16.700 --> 01:40:18.900 and I also believe that this is humanity's destiny 01:40:18.900 --> 01:40:20.560 I 100% believe 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:22.400 and know that this is why I'm here on this planet 01:40:22.400 --> 01:40:23.840 to play a role to be involved 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:25.980 to work with people like yourselves 01:40:25.980 --> 01:40:28.660 towards a better future for the coming seven generations 01:40:28.660 --> 01:40:30.680 and beyond and I think we all have a role to play 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:32.540 and once we find what that is 01:40:32.540 --> 01:40:34.180 we can all step up to the plate 01:40:34.180 --> 01:40:35.820 and realize that this is what we're here for 01:40:35.820 --> 01:40:38.220 this is our moment so thankful to be here with you guys 01:40:38.220 --> 01:40:39.360 thanks for having me on today 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:40.720 amen brother 01:40:41.380 --> 01:40:42.920 that was some great responses 01:40:43.540 --> 01:40:45.180 before we get out of here real quick 01:40:45.180 --> 01:40:48.180 we're all going to put your social medias and all your websites underneath here 01:40:48.180 --> 01:40:49.500 but how about you guys 01:40:49.500 --> 01:40:51.220 plug a project that you're working on right now 01:40:51.220 --> 01:40:52.280 that you'd like people to hear about 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:54.060 Derek you can start bud 01:40:54.060 --> 01:40:57.260 probably the most relevant thing right now 01:40:57.260 --> 01:40:58.860 you guys have mentioned my book a couple of times 01:40:58.860 --> 01:41:01.060 I really appreciate that if people are curious 01:41:01.060 --> 01:41:02.800 and want to learn more about my story 01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:04.520 of going through drug addiction and depression 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.540 and suicide and attempts and prison 01:41:06.540 --> 01:41:08.440 and basically the prequel to 01:41:08.440 --> 01:41:09.960 how I got into the work I'm doing today 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:12.380 you can check my book out it's called a man of my word 01:41:12.380 --> 01:41:13.960 how I overcame addiction, depression 01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:15.480 and mental and physical prisons 01:41:15.480 --> 01:41:17.300 at amanofmyword.com 01:41:17.300 --> 01:41:19.100 and then the pyramid of power 01:41:19.100 --> 01:41:20.800 it's almost all out now 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:22.820 it'll be full A out on March 6th 01:41:22.820 --> 01:41:24.800 so you can find that and the book version 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:26.580 at thepyramidofpower.net 01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:29.480 awesome Gavin what about you brother 01:41:29.480 --> 01:41:31.720 I am very slowly 01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.100 but surely 01:41:33.100 --> 01:41:36.260 and consistently working towards Truth Warrior Academy 01:41:36.260 --> 01:41:37.700 man I feel very good about it 01:41:37.700 --> 01:41:38.860 I feel like it's something 01:41:40.420 --> 01:41:41.500 unique, creative 01:41:41.500 --> 01:41:43.500 and highly significant that I can 01:41:43.500 --> 01:41:44.040 contribute 01:41:45.300 --> 01:41:47.440 and like I said man whatever that is to 01:41:47.440 --> 01:41:49.020 whoever's listening there's something 01:41:49.020 --> 01:41:51.420 you just have to become aligned with it 01:41:51.420 --> 01:41:53.500 but there's something that you can authentically 01:41:53.500 --> 01:41:54.880 offer that nobody else can 01:41:55.740 --> 01:41:57.280 it's been taking a lot of time 01:41:57.280 --> 01:41:59.360 apologies to the people 01:41:59.360 --> 01:41:59.960 that are listening 01:41:59.960 --> 01:42:02.900 essentially single parenting I'm in a foreign country 01:42:02.900 --> 01:42:04.540 I'm working on getting back to South Africa 01:42:05.200 --> 01:42:07.460 so things have been very challenging there's a lot going on 01:42:07.460 --> 01:42:08.140 in Gavin Land 01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:10.980 but I am 01:42:10.980 --> 01:42:12.320 very much focused 01:42:13.120 --> 01:42:14.900 on getting it done the first course 01:42:14.900 --> 01:42:16.860 is pretty much done 01:42:16.860 --> 01:42:19.180 I just want to make it meticulous because 01:42:19.180 --> 01:42:21.160 the first one is on the grand 01:42:21.160 --> 01:42:22.940 topic which I believe should 01:42:22.940 --> 01:42:24.760 form a foundational education 01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:27.160 and that is simply what is 01:42:27.160 --> 01:42:27.960 Truth 01:42:29.220 --> 01:42:30.640 right everybody talks 01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:32.580 about it but how many people have 01:42:32.580 --> 01:42:35.040 fundamentally resolved like what is that 01:42:35.040 --> 01:42:36.380 because Truth 01:42:36.940 --> 01:42:38.800 is when we take our subjective 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:39.640 perception 01:42:40.300 --> 01:42:43.160 and align it with objective reality 01:42:43.160 --> 01:42:45.100 that's when you are in pursuit of the Truth 01:42:45.100 --> 01:42:47.180 of course it's a lot more complex than that 01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:49.260 and I'm going to break it down in a very simplified way 01:42:49.260 --> 01:42:50.880 but that is what I'm 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:51.360 working on 01:42:52.080 --> 01:42:52.800 I love it 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:54.320 that sounds intriguing as hell dude 01:42:54.320 --> 01:42:55.300 I can't wait 01:42:56.040 --> 01:42:58.060 brothers thank y'all so much for coming on 01:42:58.060 --> 01:43:00.540 this was probably our longest podcast in history 01:43:00.540 --> 01:43:02.900 and it was amazing and it had to be 01:43:02.900 --> 01:43:03.600 this was great 01:43:04.160 --> 01:43:05.380 thanks for having me on guys 01:43:05.380 --> 01:43:08.340 thanks for coming on Derek 01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:09.120 I appreciate it brother 01:43:09.120 --> 01:43:11.620 thank you brother good to talk to you and connect with you 01:43:11.620 --> 01:43:13.160 look forward to connecting with all of you soon 01:43:13.160 --> 01:43:14.020 keep doing the good work 01:43:14.020 --> 01:43:14.980 likewise brother 01:43:14.980 --> 01:43:16.280 thank you fellas 01:43:23.090 --> 01:43:24.550 thank you for listening 01:43:24.550 --> 01:43:26.950 to the free talk project podcast 01:43:26.950 --> 01:43:29.290 and please don't forget to rate 01:43:29.290 --> 01:43:30.850 review and subscribe 01:43:33.150 --> 01:43:34.370 free minds 01:43:35.090 --> 01:43:36.230 free people