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All right, so a little backstory on today's episode.
Back in early December, we had one of today's guests,
Gavin Nasiamento, on the show to discuss USAID, DOGE,
and the Hidden History of Population Control.
And after that episode, Don had a brilliant idea.
He proposed that we brought Gavin back on the show
with another longtime friend, colleague,
and brilliant researcher, Derek Brose,
so we could discuss the overlap between technocracy,
world government, transhumanism, and eugenics.
And we all knew as soon as we heard that idea from Don
that it would be a very powerful episode
that would give us a lot of space for a deep dive into these topics
with two brilliant researchers.
But before we jump into our first question today,
I am going to do something we don't usually do,
but seeing both of our guests have been on the show
a bunch of times in the past,
I wanted to give them both a chance to briefly introduce themselves
because surely we'll have some new listeners in this episode
who might not be familiar with their work.
So let's go ahead and start with Gavin.
Gavin, go ahead and introduce yourself.
Yes, I don't want to take up too much time
because it is a very, very relevant topic,
and I'm excited to dig into it.
And I've been on the podcast quite a few times.
But yes, my name is Gavin.
I've been doing this now for about 16 years.
I initially started because I came from a background
where I had a lot of personal internal struggles
and a lot of hopelessness and suicidal ideation
and terrible crippling anxiety and, you know,
addiction in the list goes on and on and on.
And then we were doing something radical,
which was reading books.
Because I used to be just somebody
that was all about being street smart.
And I started to open books, and then I became aware
I opened up my awareness.
And that's actually in all kinds of new solutions
because awareness is really what precipitates solutions.
And so knowledge really is power.
And when I learned that this could work for me,
as weak as I was, as, you know, crippled by anxiety
and PTSD and all of these things that I was,
I couldn't help but feel a moral obligation
to then help others do the same thing.
And then, of course, as you begin to explore
trying to empower others, if you dig deep enough,
invariably you rub up against the state and the system.
And here we are today.
Excellent. Well, thank you for that, Gavin.
And yeah, I think today is actually your ninth time on the show.
So I think our listeners are familiar with you,
but hey, for anybody who's new listening to the show,
and Derek, go ahead and briefly introduce yourself, my friend.
Yeah, thanks for having me back on, guys.
Appreciate it, and glad to be here with Gavin and everybody.
So actually, I'm not surprised,
but it's interesting just how similar my story is to Gavin.
Been doing this about 16 years now,
starting off back in Houston, Texas in the States
with activism at my wake up
after going through my own journey through addiction and depression
and mental health issues and in prison, eventually,
and woke up through people like Jim Mars and Ron Paul, others,
and within a few years felt motivated to kind of continue
the on-the-ground, street-level activism,
but also start focusing on taking the journalism side of things
more seriously.
And then I've gotten into writing some books over the years,
producing documentaries, hosting events,
doing my own podcast and things like that and making music.
All of it is all aimed in the same direction,
trying to educate myself, share the journey,
empower, motivate, activate others,
and focus on solutions where possible.
So yeah, I'm happy to be here with you guys.
Certainly happy to have both of you guys on as well.
And on that note, you know,
Derek actually did just release a book,
A Man of My Word.
I think that just dropped what was it last month.
So something worth checking out.
We'll certainly do plugs at the end there.
But today is your fourth time back on the show as well, Derek.
And believe it or not, you were actually one of our first guests.
I think you were the first guest ever on the show
back in October, 2018,
when we were ironically talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
Wow.
And we even had you back again on the show in 2022
to talk about Epstein and Elon
and the World Economic Forum and all that.
But as I mentioned today on the show,
we're diving into the world of technocracy
and how it began, how it's been evolving
and the complex ways that it continues to manifest today.
So I thought maybe to kickstart the conversation,
we could get into something that everybody's talking about right now,
which is Epstein and these Epstein revelations
and his connections to some of the world's most powerful figures.
And Derek, I know you've been focused on this for a long time.
How do you see the influence of technocracy's levers of control
through technology with things like leverage over the elites
and this pursuit of agendas like eugenics and biometric tracking
and all this stuff that's kind of coming to light right now?
Like how does the Epstein scandal kind of illustrate
the mechanisms of technocratic power in action
and how long this ideology has been in the making?
It's a great question.
I mean, there's a lot of different threads we could pull on
as I'm sure we'll get into some today.
I mean, one of them is just the obvious pieces like Epstein's,
much of which have been already known
prior to any of the recent document dumps.
We just got more confirmation.
But Epstein's relationships with scientists and technologists
who were interested in transhumanism,
who are interested in life extension,
you know, longevity, technology
and one of those people being Peter Thiel,
of course, I think Peter Thiel is really one of the
prime examples of a modern-day technocrat,
somebody who believes that despite not being elected
to any position, he can use his wealth, his influence
and most importantly, his technology,
his technological tools to influence the world around him,
to shape the world around him.
And him and Epstein obviously were in contact
and were friends and there's the now famous, you know,
line about Epstein representing the Rothschild
to Peter Thiel.
And of course, we know about Peter Thiel's investments
in companies like Ambrosia and others
that are specifically trying to see how they could use
the blood of the young to extend their life
and things like that.
So, I mean, I think that he is a great example
and there's many others.
It's just, to me, it just shows that Epstein,
of course, was just the nexus point.
I don't think he was the top of the pyramid
or in any way, he obviously was influential
and had contacts with all kinds of people.
But to me, that research into,
like we've learned more about how Epstein
and in touch with Bill Gates and researching
and discussing pandemic preparedness,
you want to call it that.
And as well as, yeah, like the other tech side of things,
it's to me, it's just a perfect example
of what technocracy is about.
The original technocrats said that the people were too dumb
to basically decide their future,
so you didn't need to have voting,
you didn't need politicians,
you didn't even really need the business class.
Instead, you need the scientific, technological experts
and engineers to be running the machines.
And when they were writing about this in the 30s and 40s,
I mean, the machines would have been giant,
massive, early computers,
which I think today we would probably
just say artificial intelligence.
And again, that's another area of research
that we see Epstein's involvement in.
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it's coming out.
I don't think too much of it has been surprising.
Hopefully for more people,
it'll help them understand how this power operates.
But these folks are just the modern extension
of not only the original technocrats from the 1930s,
but then the extension of what Zabignu Brzezinski
was talking about in the 1970s with his book
The Technotronic Era, America Between Two Ages.
He called it technotronic as opposed to technocratic,
but he was describing the same systems.
And of course, just one other interesting tidbit on that
is that he was one of the co-founders,
along with David Rockefeller and Kissinger,
in the Trilateral Commission.
The Trilateral Commission started at Columbia University.
The original technocracy movement also came out of Columbia University.
And then another little kind of tidbit there
is that Epstein was also a member of the Trilateral Commission.
So you can really see this throughline
from the original technocracy movement at places like Columbia
to the deep state agents of Zabignu Brzezinski
and the fact that Kissinger,
that Epstein is sitting on the board is not a surprise.
And the fact that the Trilateral Commission in 2023,
they declared 2023 to be the first year
of the new international economic order.
I mean, these ideas are still existing.
They're still relevant just as they were 100 years ago.
Certainly. One thing that Epstein files did do though
is they exonerated Trump completely.
I'm just kidding. We were talking about that
before the show and how fucking stupid
some people are that are claiming that.
I just had to get that in.
But no, man, seriously, like you just said, bros,
Epstein wasn't some top of the pyramid key player,
but he was an intricate part in this elite scheme
to have control over everybody.
For the longest time, the media kind of played him off
as this neat in a little box,
just creepy high society outlier
who just had an affinity for younger women.
But for those of us who was like,
you especially Derek who followed Whitney Webb's work
and she documented all this in One Nation Under Blackmail,
that's a total farce.
The mainstream media's narrative on Epstein.
What's really happening according to Whitney
is there's this meta cartel where intelligence agencies
organize crime, high finance.
They're basically like one giant fused,
made into this giant entity
that's been fused like this for decades
and using sexual blackmail as a tool for global compliance.
That's where Epstein's role was in there.
He got really rich by blackmailing the elite
and being a tool for that through what seems to be
like massage-tied organizations through Israel.
But just this morning on his 66th birthday
of all days, former Prince Andrew was arrested
in the UK.
And what's interesting about that is that
it's not just about the old sexual abuse allegations
that he was pictured with Virginia Gefreus
and there was a lot of different testimonies about him
and everything he paid out.
Virginia Gefreus, I don't know, some untold.
It was not even, I don't think that that was released,
but he paid her out, some untold some.
But the new files, the new release
is what he was arrested for.
It was misconduct in public office.
And he was actually funneling money,
or not money, sorry, confidential UK trade info to Epstein.
And he was caught.
So, you know, Whitney's been sounding this alarm
on Epstein 2.0 and now we're seeing this shift
from the old-school honeypot to this high-tech digital blackmail system.
And that's what I wanted to talk about before the show started.
We're talking AI surveillance, biometric data
and companies like Palantir and Peter Thiel,
who you just brought up, creating a world
where they don't even need video of you
in your bedroom on Epstein Island, right?
Because, you know, their algorithms already have you
in a predictive cage.
They're listening through our phones.
They're watching through our ring cameras.
They're watching basically everything.
They're looking through your monitor on your computer
that has a camera in it.
TVs have been watching us back since the early 2000s.
We know that from WikiLeaks, right?
The surveillance state is in place
and they don't have to do old-school videotapes
with hidden cameras in bedrooms anymore
trying to seek you into these honeypots anymore.
And so, I think that that's what Prince Andrews
or former Prince Andrews arrest shows
is like a death of the old guard
and an usher in of the new guard, right?
So, Gavin, when you see a senior royal like Andrew
finally get picked up, you know,
on the same day that technocracy has rolling out
these total surveillance tools
like with the Super Bowl commercial two weeks ago,
you know, where they're like,
yeah, where's buying on you?
It's to find your dog.
It's not to usher in this
complete technocratic police state.
How do you read this, man?
Is this like a win for accountability
or are we just witnessing what I just said,
which is like an update to the software
sacrificing legacy assets like Prince Andrew
because the technocracy has found
a far more efficient and insidious way
to digitally blackmail us
and the entire world, in fact, into submission?
So, that's a great question, Gavin.
And I think it gets to the heart
of something I'm actually contending with myself
is to what extent is the whole Epstein files release
a win for humanity?
To what extent is it a potential PSY op
or something that can be utilized
for some kind of an agenda, right?
So, I think with Prince Andrew
we can only speculate.
I mean, it's always one thing to say
that this person is going to be brought to justice
and they're going to be arrested.
I mean, let's not forget when Epstein
was arrested, he had...
he was able to leave his cell
and he had this ridiculous plea deal
and so they don't go to jail like the rest of us
and it wouldn't be the first time in history
that something like this has taken place
where you have somebody that is kind of...
I want to say sacrificed in the author
of public outrage,
but you have to give the public something
because at the end of the day
the elitist class, the parasite class
knows something that many of us have forgotten
which is that they really do need us
and we do not need them.
And so if you look at it in the past
let's say World War I, I don't want to digress too much
but the German Kaiser
and the British King
and then the Russians are, they were all cousins
and so when the Kaiser
was allegedly overthrown and brought to justice
I mean, there was a lot of propaganda about the beach from Berlin
and people despised this dude
on a level that may even correspond
at least analogously
to Geoffrey Epstein today
and yet he was...
he lived the rest of his days out very lavishly
so we'll have to just see how that kind of plays out
but as it pertains to
the potential that they're just getting to
or maybe there's a change of God kind of a thing
historically that's a very accurate
and succinct observation then
if you look at let's say like the Roman Empire
I try to always fall back on history
when I'm faced with an uncertain present
because to me history when
assessed as objectively as you possibly can
and you begin to see these synchronicities
and these patterns is sort of a science
for how society operates
for how different ages and generations operate
and if you look at let's say like the Roman Empire
there were various baselifts
there were various structures right
in the very beginning there were kings and queens
and then there was allegedly
like some kind of democratic republic
with a senatorial clause
but it was it turned out to be an oligarchy
but just hiding behind the facade
then you had the empire
you had emperors rise up
then even behind the emperors you had the praetorian gods
they held power for a while
then behind the praetorian god
you started to get so called barbarian
a barbarian's power structure
which is just to say those evil immigrants
but you got those dudes that came in
and then they used the emperor as a figurehead
and so what does this indicate it shows you
that the power structure does indeed change
and I think we all can agree
that we've entered into
a totally different age
which is dominated by technocracy
and the so called tech burrs
and unfortunately the data that they have at their hands
you know like Francis Bacon said
one of the architects of the provable matrix
we currently are living in
knowledge really is power
and that's what data represents
it's knowledge
and so it is possible
it's plausible
that he was sacrificed
because you know
the architects
the power structure is simply changing
and hey he might just be expendable
at the end of the day he wouldn't be the first
I'm sure he won't be the lost
but it's ultimately going to have to just wait
and see how it plays out
yeah man most certainly
and you know it's so interesting
you know particularly when it comes to
you know as you mentioned
sort of looking at the way these things
these power structures
both change and stay the same
over time you know when you compare it to
the Roman Empire and it's
sort of akin to what I've said for a long time
that
these parasites
these predator class
I hesitate to call them
the ruling class
even though that's technically what they are
they seem
so driven by this
this ideology of control
and domination and I mean we see that with Julia
Caesar with Alexander the Great
with Hitler, Boat, you know Napoleon
you know it's just on and on
and yet at the same time
all of these
people pretty much function
as figureheads while there are others
sort of behind the scenes
and you know as you mentioned
with the tech bros
and this new technocratic
technotronic sort of development of this
ideology because I really do think
that technocracy
is just the evolution
of that same ideology that was
controlling Rome
3,000 years ago or however long
but I would like to get
Derek's point of view
on you know the way
that we see things like this
particularly with the dark enlightenment
which is something that Derek has covered
in the past and the way that
sort of the shadowy underbelly
of technocracy
trying to implement these sort of agendas
and power structures
through people like Curtis Jarvan
who I remember in the last podcast
with Gavin I brought up Curtis Jarvan
and you had mentioned Gavin
you hadn't even heard of him yet
so I sent you some of Derek's articles
and so the listeners
who have
maybe never heard that name
or have only heard it but don't really know
the extent to which Jarvan
and this sort of dark enlightenment
ideology behind the scenes plays
into technocracy
Derek could you go into that a little bit?
Yeah absolutely thanks for
thanks for that brother and I definitely
think Curtis Jarvan is an influential character
I mean to the point that he was
interviewed by the New York Times
with a nice glossy
black and white photo
last year in 2025 so it shows
that he's come a long way
I started to learn about him first
because in 2015-2016
if you guys remember Cast your Minds
back a decade I can't believe it
when Trump was first coming onto the scene
you know Trump was first coming onto the scene
there was a lot of libertarian
or freedom minded or even
so-called anarchists who started to
you know go his way
go towards the direction of Trump and at that time
what is now pretty much called MAGA
everybody was calling the alt-right
you know because it was a new thing right it wasn't the Republicans
necessarily they were right leaning
but they were different and even the
original kind of movement around
Trump was being rejected by you guys
remember that like Trump was not
something that any of the party wanted or at least
that's what we saw you know in public
and so it was this whole kind of like out of
nowhere Trump scored this victory and he beat
the old legacy Republican
party and so it was being called
the alt-right at that time and another term
that was going around that sort of
was the name for at least
a subgroup that was part of that
emerging alt-right was the neo-reactionaries
or as Don said the dark
enlightenment and that really came
from two writers
the one I focus on is Curtis Yavin
and then Nicholas Land who's from the UK
and Curtis Yavin had been
writing this blog for
years at that point I think since the mid
to early 2000s under the name
Mencius Moldbug that was his
pseudonym and
he's kind of a troll
but he was also a trollish
intellectual at least that's how he views himself
as some kind of intellectual
and the only reason
I even started to learn about him is because again I could see
that there was this creeping
sort of
entryism as some people call it into the
libertarian freedom movement which I cared
and do care deeply about at the time
and just like what the heck is going on why are these people
going in this direction some of these people all of a
sudden are turning into white nationalists
or straight out authoritarians
or whatever and you know Trump was
part of the reason but there was something underneath it
and so I actually wrote an essay
at that time I think it came out in 2016
or 2017 called removing the alt-right
infection from the libertarian movement and as
I started to investigate like where are these ideas
coming from you eventually get to
Curtis Yavin and his neo-reactionaries
is dark enlightenment and there was people
like I know Jason
and Matt you guys don't remember I can't remember
this freaking name anymore but Chris
some Chris raving guy
used to be part of the libertarian movement and he
he went full on alt-right
and he kind of got the nickname the crying Nazi
because he was like marching with these people
you can't remember that clown
so he was one of the people
greatly influenced by this person
and by Curtis Yavin and again
he was mostly known as Mencius Molde
but he started to
he talked about essentially having
like a monarchy that we
you know there was like the benefits of having
a monarchy were better than any kind of libertarianism
and he describes this
sort of essentially it's a type of
technocracy you know like a corporate world
where there is this dictatorial
monarchy and he you know he's like a
lot of fascists and authoritarians
he frames it with fluffy philosophical language
to try to justify but at the end of the day
it's freaking authoritarianism it's like
domination right there's not freedom
it's not individual liberty it's none of those
concepts it's all about domination
and yeah so that's when I
first started to learn about him just seeing the influence
that he was having on some libertarians
at that time and I
kind of kept my eye on him here and there over the years
but for the most part you know just kind of forgot
about him and then as Trump
is preparing for his second run
and as J.D. Vance is coming
into the picture of course J.D. Vance
we know was greatly influenced
by Peter Teal he says that
it was Peter Teal's commencement speech
at the Yale graduation
when Vance was graduating that like
changed his life and that immediately after that
he went to go work with Peter Teal
and of course Peter Teal has been revealed
like during the first Trump administration
the first I think 2016 election night
some of Peter Teal's texts got leaked
or Curtis Jarvin's one of their choose
and Peter Teal is basically
telling Curtis Jarvin Trump's one of us
he's just good at keeping it under cover
and then Curtis Jarvin kind of celebrating
the election of Trump but ultimately
Curtis Jarvin felt Trump didn't go far
enough he wasn't enough of an authoritarian
but now in the second
this you know second administration
with J.D. Vance in there who's coming under
the influence of Peter Teal and Peter Teal
who's been influenced very greatly by
Curtis Jarvin. Curtis Jarvin is now
this sort of
you know hot philosopher
guy who is
being invited to all the MAGA parties
I mean I just encourage anybody who's never heard from
the search articles that came out in 2025
like I said glowing profile
from the New York Times and others
even though they're sort of treating him critically it's like
if they were really afraid
or didn't like these ideas then they wouldn't be giving this guy a front page
you know photo shoot
and everything to go out there and talk about
his crappy authoritarian ideas
but on one hand I understand
why because the reality is that
many apparently many young staffers
within Trump's administration
are Curtis Jarvin fans
and while Trump may have never met him
directly as far as we've known at least nothing
publicly Trump obviously has been influenced
by people who have been influenced
by him including J.D. Vance, Peter Teal
Steve Bannon knows who he is as well
and others and so he's kind of become
this underground philosopher for the edgy
MAGA right that
has become increased in the influential
and so his vision of the world is
it lines up perfectly with technocracy
and with this sort of authoritarianism
he calls it like gov tech you know that you would have
this corporate king basically the monarch
overseeing
everything and yeah he continues to be
influential and I don't think he's going away
right great
points and that does seem to be
the case this all seems to be going in the
same direction and you know
we're going to talk about influential figures
who were maybe right leaning
who've really influenced
the liberty movement obviously we need to
talk about Elon Musk right
I'm sure this is a whole can of worms
that will be opening here but
you know he's obviously part of this
incrementalism he's also had the influence
over the right leaning
liberty sphere and I would suggest
one of the biggest influences
to really help push
Trump into the position of winning the
second term that he
ended up winning so I mean it was
the he bought acts the whole free speech
framing things he really
posed himself as being this anti-regulation
kind of pro innovation
stalwart somebody who was really
you know trying to stick
up for things like free speech for the
liberty movement obviously
our colleague James Corbett did some
pretty interesting work documenting how
in the early 2000s
Musk was given this kind of platform
all of a sudden out of nowhere even though
there was other Silicon Valley
entrepreneurs who were also doing similar
things but out of nowhere he kind of gets
the spotlight put on him and he gets
framed as this tech visionary right
you know when you start looking at
Elon Musk's family background especially
connections to the technocratic
circles and the influence networks
I was wondering if you guys could maybe
explain how his role
fits into the broader technocratic agenda
it's not just the innovation
right it's the AI
it's the neural interfaces
the space technologies it's all part of
like a larger system of control so
how does Elon fit into this
and his family's background
he's saving the day he's Ironman right
you know in terms of Musk
I joke about him being Ironman
because unfortunately
much like Trump there's a
there's a I think a realistic schism
maybe it's less and less these days
but if you're on Twitter X like it's obvious
there's a schism of people who think
that Elon is the you know the
greatest thing ever even if they're
critical of Trump there's some people who seem to be like
yeah but Elon you know he's saving the world
and we're gonna go to Mars and
he's doing all this stuff and I
I know I've seen the free thought project
version or probably from you Jason I'm sure
around one of y'all's pages of the
sort of here's all the things Elon talks
about compared to the things Klaus Schwab
says and you can kind of see the
the direct correlations and like similarities
like promoting transhumanism promoting
brain ships promoting
UBI all this sort of stuff so to
me it's quite obvious like where he
stands I think he plays a good role
and obviously there's people are complex
there might be some areas where he could say okay he said
a good thing and that's great but overall
I think he it's clear he serves the
same agendas and walks among
these same people he is a modern technocrat
and I don't think it's a small
factor I mean it's a historical
oddity or just an interesting footnote
but I do think it's relevant
that his grandfather
was directly Joshua Hadelman was
directly involved in the
historical technocracy movement in
Canada and that doesn't
you know I'm not one that believes
the sins of the father the son
or the grandfather in this case so I'm not
trying to say because his grand paul
was up to some shady stuff he automatically
is but I think when you put that in context
of what we know about his activities
and some of the reporting I focused
on his terms of the military industrial complex
stuff it's quite easy to see
where he stands so
his grandfather was part of the social
credit party he was a big advocate
of technocracy and there's he was arrested
and at that time as well
because technocracy had its moment and had its heyday
but also there was times where
towards the end where it definitely was not
well received and people started to reject it
and the interesting thing just sidebar
real quick the technocrats I mean they did have
a big enough moment to where you can find
videos and photo evidence
of them having a parade through New York City
and they're dressed in these like
I mean I don't really know
how else to say it other than Nazi
like kind of uniforms
I mean it's sort of what they look they're definitely military
style it's all gray and drab interestingly
like the colors of technocracy
was gray like they just wanted to be like
you know just unappealing simple
whatever I think it's kind of part of their mindset
but they were marching through the streets of New York
hundreds if not thousands of people they had
clubs and groups all around
the United States and Canada and some of it did extend
to Europe so there's
you know they really were a relevant
movement and Elon's grandfather comes from
that movement we don't have a lot of
data on what his
relationship was with his grandfather you know if he ever
did sit down and talk with his grandpa about technocracy
that kind of thing if the torch was officially
passed we don't know that but I think
again it's clear by how
he operates how he partners
I mean he was there's that kind of
famous picture of him and Peter Teal
20 years ago when they're holding
like a PayPal card because they both
were involved in the funding of PayPal as well as other
other companies but
one piece of the puzzle that I'll just add before
we move forward that I wrote about maybe two or
three years ago at the last American Bagobon
is a program that
that Elon has been involved in specifically
to put satellites around
the world like that you know and not that's
not something completely new
but satellites working specifically with
I think it's the national geospatial
agency
the US government agency that deals with
satellite intelligence and
you know part of this is
through Starlink which I know a lot of people
maybe even some people on this call a lot of
people use and I don't you know
fault people for that I try to avoid
Elon's products personally but I understand
like it's a useful tool right I mean it helps
people in the middle of nowhere get internet
but the sad fact of that
reality is that
Starlink is just the public facing
side of this
other program which is called
Starshield and using
the Starlink satellites which Elon
is shooting out and you know around the
planet to help people get internet
the US military is picking back
he piggybacking on all those antennas
and all those satellites for
the Starshield program and
basically he's helping them build this giant
like surveillance infrastructure
even probably the biggest
satellite surveillance infrastructure the world has ever seen
and the only thing we really know
about this is there was a 1.8 billion
dollar contract with them from 2021
between SpaceX, Elon, SpaceX
and the US government as I said
at first it was like a secret but then
eventually it came out it was actually the National Reconnaissance
Office so I think I misspoke
earlier so they were the ones behind
that and as I started to dig into this
and try to find like okay there's very little details
on it we know the contract exists we know
that there's a partnership there we
don't know exactly what it's doing we know the US
military is gonna piggyback on
Starlink I started
to find quotes from the director
of the NRO his name is Christopher Scalise
and he was talking at
an event called this for the Center for Strategic
and International Studies talking
about how the NRO is going to use these satellites
that have been provided to them by
SpaceX and his quote was
from last June to December this year we
will have probably launched 100 satellites
this is a couple years ago now so we
are going from the demo phase to the operational
phase we're really going to be able to start
testing this stuff out in a more operational way
and here's the key part he says
what are they going to be doing they're part of the
proliferated architecture to go off
of it and get us reasonably high high
resolution imagery of the earth at a high
rate of speed now you can't
hide because you're constantly being looked
at that's the head of the organization
that Elon's company is partnering with to build
this massive satellite
surveillance infrastructure and that's just to me one example
of how for one
like many billionaires and business people
he doesn't have any qualms about
morality when it comes to business you know
he might try to portray himself as an independent
person but really the technocrats
are simply just the latest generation
of military industrial
complex contractors they've explicitly stated
Palantir and other companies
Andriel and SpaceX
they've made it clear they have a partnership
that they want to replace the Northrop Grumman
the previous the Raytheons
and others they're still out there but they're
not nearly as relevant as they were 20 years
ago now it's these new technocrats
big technocrat companies that are
you know are the military industrial complex
generation leading the way
and Elon is a big part of that
so even if you don't get into conspiracies about
technocracy or whatever else
like to me everything about the guy
says the opposite of freedom
Yeah I agree man
100%
and this
conversation thus far it's
it's bringing me back to this
Ron Paul interview quote I just saw
recently how he said that there's been a coup
in the United States and it happened on the day
that Kennedy was assassinated
and man once you once you zoom
out and look at all this stuff that's being
put into place the complete unaccountable
nature of government and everything as a whole
it seems he was right in that
you know it's it's pretty crazy and it
can get pretty defeating and
and make people easily take that black
pill but not us here at the free thought project
right so Gavin as
we've said for like the last eight times
on here you're you're basically
like a walking encyclopedia for receipts
on this stuff man so I want to bridge the gap
between what we were just talking about
and and and what you're going to go into
right so basically your research
and and your book that people can go
download for free online is called a history
of elitism world government and population
control among other things it does track
how the 20th century eugenics movement
funded by like these the same big
foundations who around today like Rockefeller
and Carnegie you know it wasn't about
health it was about a lead
obsession with managing the human herd
essentially and we basically
you know stopped
measuring skulls
you know if we fast forward to today
and the scientific elitist
goals has been have been rebranded
as technocracy from eugenics
and you know instead of the
instead of the four sterilizations
and all this crazy shit that we used to do
to people it's basically this
high tech
digital grid biometric IDs
and social credit scores and
AI surveillance I mean it feels
like the definition of
unfit you know has simply shifted
from you know your bloodline
or your heritage to your refusal
to submit to this centralized
algorithmic system so
consider me unfit right consider everybody
on this on this podcast right now
unfit but I mean based on
your work right this is like
is this modern technocratic
shift like the final software
update for the big eugenics movement
how does this all tie
in to the historical context
of these people who
essentially pull the strings on every government
across the world for so long to
because they want to usher
in their vision
of humanity
so there is a lot on that
but I would say that
so transhumanism
right it was actually
coined by a prolific eugenics
which was Julian Huxley
artist Huxley's brother
when people read like
Brave New World they think that
he's just coming up with this clever analogy
and imaginative
concept the reality
he was very close to the machinery
that would invariably
kick-start the program that would
move towards technocracy and
move towards transhumanism so Julian
actually he was the president
of the British eugenics society
and once
the face mask of what eugenics
started to slip off
the analogy I like to use is eugenics
during its time
because it was repounded
by Nobel Prize winners
by prominent politicians
and even presidents
Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson
Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill
so-called feminists
Margaret Sanger
and Marie Stopes
even wrote poems to Hitler
she was lauding over him so much
and so it was
one of the
probably only times
in history
where the face mask
and this is where I want to also get into the
ideology I'll invariably build into that
of elitism where the face mask
of the people that abide by elitism
began to slip off
so these people
who again we're talking about world leaders
we're talking about
founders of universities
William Welch
of the John Hopkins University
the founder of Stanford University
I mean the rap sheet of the people
that advocated eugenics
which to be unambiguously clear guys
I've said it before and I'll say it over and over
because it doesn't get put in its proper context
it's a genocidal ideology
what transpired in Nazi Germany
was just an extreme expression of that
but the founding father
which was Francis Galton
he used to caution just be
just go slowly we can't do this too fast
and so Hitler
went a little bit too crazy and he showed
the world what eugenics was really about
and so
the face mask began to come off
and it's wild to contemplate today
but back then
through for example the funding
of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller Jr.
and E. H. Harriman's
widow Mary Averell Harriman
the mother of the infamous Harriman brothers
they funded
Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
which
specifically gave rise to something called
the eugenics record office
the eugenics records office
was the apex
of the danger
of what technocracy represents
at least in the US
and so what they did through this institution
was
they started to collect data
on American citizens
and so they sent out these
women, these young attractive women
and they just went and they gave people questionnaires
and they collected data
for the people who
don't fully appreciate what the data is
let me just put in layman terms guys
it's information about you
knowledge about you
it's insight about you
it's awareness, it's knowledge and knowledge
can be weaponized
and so what they did is they sent out these women
and these women came back
with all of this data
and what they decided
the leadership of the eugenics record office
was as phase one
of their plan
15 million Americans
which was 10%
of the population at the time
had to be sterilized
that's what happened when data
is in the hands of the elitists
and this was
considered okay, it's prestigious
it's a Rockefeller foundation
is funding this
Andrew Carnegie has funded this
you can find old newspaper clippings about this
so this information
from the eugenics record office to put it into
its proper perspective and its proper place
it was used to curtail
you know how we talk about the immigration
restrictions back then
they were the organization that informed
their policy
they were also the organization
that led the charge that resulted
in a majority of states
legalizing
sterilization before Hitler even
rose to power
and so eventually eugenics
this ideology
was transported to Nazi Germany
but even before that to Nazi Germany
and this is very important for people to understand
there were people
the most prestigious people
in history that are
here today
that were talking about and I quote
the use of lethal chambers
like George Bernard Shaw
a Nobel Prize winner
he and people can go look this up
he spoke about using and I quote
lethal chambers to engage in mass extermination
and so you had all of these
elitists openly
talking about
look I don't want to scare people obviously
and say that they are all like this
but my point is we need to
be a lot more concerned about when our data is
in the wrong hands
and so now after what happened in Nazi Germany
which was the extreme
expression of eugenics I would argue that
Nazi Germany was a radical
technocratic society
once that trove inspired
and the eugenics movement saw
that the world had not been disillusioned
they said man we need to go underground
literally if you look at their correspondences
they literally said this
and I got by the name of Frederick Osborne
from a prominent family
the Osborne family
he was largely the one that
led the ideological charge
and these correspondences that people
can find this is on the welcome trust
archive website not to say welcome trust
is the organization but even a broken clock
is right twice a day and so you can find
all the documents on the website
and you will find this remarkably
incriminating document
between Carlos Patton Blacker
who was the secretary general
of the British Eugenics Society
and a founding member
of International Planned Parenthood Federation
to another Planned Parenthood member
named Dorothy Brash in which he says
what we are going to do
is something that Frederick Osborne spoke about
which is crypto eugenics
he literally uses this terminology
and unambiguously
as clear as day
he says in crypto eugenics
is when you pursue eugenics
but you do it through other means
and
in that publication that you mentioned
there is a truncated version
of course in the free thought project's website
I detail
how at that time they went underground
and they hijacked
the family planning movement
they hijacked
environmentalism you know
for example Frederick Osborne
he became the head
of the population council
which was founded by John G. Rockefeller
the third who was John G. Rockefeller
Junior's son
John G. Rockefeller Junior's brother
Lawrence Spalman Rockefeller
he went into something called
the conservation foundation
and alongside
with Frederick Osborne's brother
which was Henry Fairford Osborne Junior
and the conservation foundation
that would later merge
with the World Wildlife Fund
and the World Wildlife Fund was founded by
the aforementioned Julian Huxley
and of course the infamous
Prince Bernard of the Netherlands
who was the founder of the Buildable Group
and an ex-Nazi
because it's a big club and you ain't in it
and so they went underground with this ideology
and also traced in the publication
where the Gates Foundation picked up on the same ideology
and
essentially yes transhumanism
which was coined by Julian Huxley
back in the day which is
to transcend
humanity
they want to put themselves in a position where they
are godlike
and then the rest of us
useless eaters because of course the common person
not going to be able to afford this kind of technological
advancement and then on the other end
they can kind of grasp
who they think should be removed from
society in whatever particular context
they can do. I mean you can go
quite wild with your imagination
and not want to fear monger so I don't want people
to go there. We all have a white pull at the end
because I'm an eternal optimist
and believer in the power of humanity
but just
very quickly and then I'm going to hand it over to Derek
and my apologies for hugging the mic here.
Concerning the ideology
I think that's where they get it right
and we tend to get it wrong
we largely reactive to the
things that they do whereas
what they do is they pause down the ideology
so yes the power structure
will shape shift and change
slightly here and there but it
does maintain a certain
ethos so when I read
that brilliant article and you guys should
definitely link it to this podcast
that Derek wrote
about who Curtis Joven is
he mentioned in there
that one of his seminal influences
was a guy by the name of Thomas Corlyle
Thomas Corlyle
has such a profound
ideological influence on some of the worst
characters in history. Mussolini
called him like
the prophet of fascism he loved him
in Joseph Goebbels
Diaries he spoke
about Thomas Corlyle
when him and Hitler were allegedly
in their final moments
spoke about how much they love Thomas Corlyle
and the publication he wrote about I think
was Frederick the Great. The Corlyle group
I remember in Iraq
the Corlyle group
is named after Thomas Corlyle
there was a dude Otto Kahn
he used to be a
partner in Kuhn Lubin Company
they called him the king of New York
also major ideological
believer in what Thomas
Corlyle used to espouse
and then another dude
and this is what really
just blew my mind when I read
the publication
there's a guy by the name of John Ruskin
I don't know if you've ever heard of this dude before
but John Ruskin was profoundly influenced
in fact his biographer
said that Thomas Corlyle was like his master
guess who John Ruskin influenced
besides many figures
but one in particular
a dude by the name of Cecil Rose
at Oxford University
and this is cited by
for example the likes of Carol Quigley
as being the primary influence
behind why Cecil Rose began to pursue
this policy of the round table movement
and having a secret society
and so on and so forth
and if you look at whether it's Eugenics
or Nalthusianism with Thomas Malthus
or now with Corlyle and thought
you have an underlying common theme
where for them might is right
if you are powerful then you are the most able
and you need to rule in a dictatorial manner
and they don't believe
in empowering the common people
you see for me the fundamental difference
is who has knowledge and who does not
so for them they want to weaponize knowledge
to consolidate the power further
but I believe that what we are doing
is to take that knowledge
empower people with it so that they may defend themselves
and then we can pursue our greater principles
which is humanity
integrity truth
and all that is good and right
anyways I don't want to hug it anymore
apologies Derek over to you brother
well really quick I just
because I had a question for Derek
but I do want to give him an opportunity
to follow up on all those thoughts
because pretty much my question
bleeds in directly into that
so I want to get Derek's thoughts on that first
but primarily
my question is essentially
so when we are talking about this
Eugenics is essentially
sort of a concept of
when we get down to it
you know they are sacrificing people
they are sacrificing people for their greater
or what they believe to be
the great whatever the fuck
and one thing
that I wanted to touch on in this show
because I very rarely see it touched on
in the
expanded upon in a proper manner
and this is probably the best forum to do so
is that because we are seeing
a lot of information come up recently
about some of the connections of occultism
and things of that nature to
the predator class
and especially since a lot of like the lay
person the common normie
you know they have this idea of what
quote-unquote occultism is and it's all
spooky evil when realistically
that's not the case of course
I think we've all sort of dabbled into studying that
here I have for at least a decade
and a half myself
so my question to Derek really
once you follow up on Gavin's
point
what are some of the
what you see
the influences of like
occultic influences
per se in the technocratic
movement with this greater idea
because of course we know they use
you know things like as Mark Pascio
describes dark occultic black magic
rituals for to expand
their auspices of control
and what not so would love to get your take
on that once you respond to
Gavin's point
yeah thank you for that
in terms of what Gavin shared
that was all brilliant brother definitely
well said and the only thing I would just
echo is the importance
of the John Ruskin
Cecil Rhodes connection
that is as he mentioned Carol Quigley's
work in Tragedy and Hope
and his second book the Anglo-American
establishment talks about that
the establishment of the roundtables groups
through the Rhodes scholars
and how that agenda is still
you know tied into the agenda
we're seeing today I mean
the roundtable groups is something that I've just spent a lot of time
researching as well to for the conclusion
of my pyramid of power series
sort of trying to answer the question of well which groups
are at the top and it's definitely roundtables
on top of roundtables on top of roundtables
and the idea being that
the outer ring of those
roundtables of those circles have
a little bit of knowledge but as you go in deeper
there's more you're more illuminated
they would say and you have a deeper
understanding of the power system
as well as power itself
so I think that's hugely important
and that was that thread
that he's talking about that I discussed
in my piece on Curtis Jarvan
of the influences from
the Carliles from the John
Ruskins to the
Cecil Rhodes you know and to that
to the modern
technocrats these are just
webs of power that
intersect and overlap and somebody
just fascinating and
overwhelming ways
that I think people should learn more about I mean
obviously it might not feel completely
relevant to everything you're doing today but if you really
want to understand where the power today comes from
then it's relevant and it's important
and to your question Don
about the sort of a cultic
more ritualistic side of things
I mean this is something that I've
studied as well for the pyramid of power
and you know people all of us here
and others who've listened or follow work
like this have heard about different
secret society groups obviously things like
the Freemasons which are not so
secret but you know very public facing
and other things like the skull and bones
at Yale and stuff like that
have seen and recognized that
politicians and influential people
they
might publicly proclaim to be Christian
or Muslim or Jewish
or whatever else and maybe they do hold those
things but then at the same time they
participate in other
rituals behind the scenes
I mean I think one of the greatest examples
of this is the Bohemian Grove
and this is not
I'm not trying to really even make a judgment
on people with all quote unquote alternative beliefs
I would be one of them I know Don's one of them as well
so I'm not saying that oh the problem is
they're not Christians I think the problem for me
is people who put
on a face in front of the cameras
and you know act as if they're
uphold you know upstanding citizens
this and that and members
of church or whatever else but behind closed
doors are doing different things you know
it's not so much that they're practicing
different beliefs at least not for me
it's that it's
that it's hidden and behind closed doors
and in the case of Bohemian Grove
this is something I put in in the
chapter 16 of the Pyramid of Power that people
can watch at thepyramidofpower.net
up until the last couple
years you know we've seen people
infiltrate Bohemian Grove it's
of course this massive
100 acre
piece of land in California
in the redwoods that politicians
and celebrities and other powerful people
mainly on the right but really across the board
have been going to for decades
for generations and
they have the giant wooden
owl structure and they do the
cremation of care ritual if you don't
know anything about this you can go check out that episode
of the pyramid and there's others who've written quite a bit about it
but up until
recently we've only had like
a couple of exposés I found
one from the 70s I found one from the
80s and you know talking
about journalists trying to get
in or trying to sneak in and of course you have
the Alex Jones
videos which I kind of
view through a different light these days I mean
they're very suspicious of Alex Jones these days
and have been for years so I'm like hmm
I don't know but Alex Jones yeah
Alex Jones claimed to be the first person you know to
sneak in or whatever and film some of the ritual
but a couple years ago there was
an anonymous train hopper
I can't recall his name
what his YouTube handle is but he
was known for just making videos of him
just like train hopping and traveling and
you know just has a following for that
and he never shows his face he wears a bandana
for whatever reason him and some of his friends got
the idea to sneak into Bohemian Grove
and they did so very successfully
and they were literally
film videos like hidden up in the trees
during the ceremony and you see
these guys you know marching through the woods
and red robes and
you know it's a similar thing you kind of saw
in a grainy whatever video from
Alex Jones with bad sound but this is much
like this is the clearest pictures I think
that have ever been released in videos of it
and these these young dudes I mean they can't
be older than in their early 30s or something
if that are just kind of hiding
up in the trees off to the side
and filming the entire thing and
and he snuck in multiple times
and got video inside
the owl because it's actually you can open up from
behind and it's like a hollow structure
and all kinds of things so my point is
like that's one good example of sort of
occulted hidden beliefs again what are they
they claim it's just a boys club and
you know it's just a silly ritual
but as I report in the pyramid of power
you can find some of the Bohemian
Grove literature that has been released by
various whistleblowers in their own writings
they say that it's you know inspired by
druidic you know mystery religions
and stuff like that and again I'm not somebody who
automatically fault somebody for having a different
belief beyond Christianity
it's just a secrecy that is the big point
is like well if they're proclaiming to be one thing
in public why are they doing these secret
rituals behind the scenes and in terms
of like things like Epstein and others
I do think that there are elements
of that and some of that's coming out in some of the emails
I don't know if every single
politician every single member
of the pyramid of power towards the top would
be involved in this but there definitely is this
and it happens on the big and small levels
one other thing I'll just add real quick
it happens what I mean
by big and small levels I mean like sure Bohemian
Grove presidents politicians
celebrities like powerful influential people
but I'm also talking
about situations like some of the stories I've
investigated the last couple years like the
Utah ritual abuse case which we don't have to
get into the whole thing but the reason I bring it up
is there were some of these court documents
that came out in this case where a
therapist had been accused of abusing
dozens of young girls including
his own daughters and we have hundreds of pages
of testimony witness testimony I mean things
that you couldn't even just make
up if you tried and some of those victims
describe being
raped and abused by
men who were wearing the skin of other
dead people and that while they were
doing so they were calling out to Lucifer
they were calling out to different
deities and stuff like that so
this thing does exist you know I think
the whole dismissal of this kind of
concept as quote unquote satanic panic
and I do think there's some of that right
we can all think back to like the 80s and the
moral panic of like rock and roll is
going to you know send people to
hell so put on the parental advisory
sticker and that kind of stuff with Al Gore's
wife the sort of you know going after
metal bands or whatever like I'm not
talking about that I mean I'm talking about
through examples
of groups and organizations
and people practicing
occulted hidden beliefs
behind closed doors and
for different purposes it doesn't necessarily
mean that I or you or anybody listening
to this has to believe in those beliefs
it just matters that they do believe
and they believe that they are doing these
things for some sort of hidden
or you know more
secret purpose
Gavin we wanted to give you the opportunity
to follow up if you had anything so
maybe you and bros could riff a little bit back
and forth as well rather than just going from one
question to the next so feel free if you had
any thoughts on that
I agree wholeheartedly man they do believe
in some weird shit I don't think
anybody who has seriously looked into
this can question that
and again just going back
to the way that technocracy
is trying to be
good for to society is that okay
they're gonna have data on all of us all of our lives will be
transparent and they'll know
everything about us they'll know it's better than we know
ourselves and this is going back to of course
sun soothed out of war
know your enemy
and of course we have been left in ignorance for so long
that most of us are still struggling to even have
like proper self knowledge
and yet we have no knowledge of them
right we don't know what they're doing in these
occult ceremonies so I think a lot of focus
also needs to be
focused on
strategizing and starting to study
their characters and dissecting who
these people are and the ideologies
but a hundred percent man I
totally agree with what you said
yeah Gavin I just
wanted to throw some in there real quick gap to Gavin
because I mean I know that
for you probably just as much
as I am you know that we both feel strongly
about the solution
side of things and obviously we're here getting
deep and the technocracy and
everything else which is vital
in fact that it's the fact that it's even being discussed
everywhere the fact that Prince Andrew is getting
arrested shows we've come a long way right
and in terms of spreading awareness
but I know that you also like you were saying a few
moments ago that like you know how do we kind of
touch that deeper part of humanity getting
people to start challenging these systems
and and and questioning them and
then more importantly trying to take care of their
own lives I'm just curious for you brother
as somebody who's been involved in this as long as
I have been and as well as the vets here in this
conversation like do you think
we're winning in that way like yeah we're winning in
terms of Epstein's a mainstream story now it wasn't
10 years ago 15 years ago
but do you feel like that is
leading to some bigger place because
my concern
and fear has kind of been that
we're witnessing almost
like a massive learned helplessness
operation where oh my goodness
my dude I've been
writing an article on that
exact topic no bullshit
well please please share about it brother
what do you think because yeah I mean like I said I think it's
yeah the truth's coming out and it's
this massive quote unquote awakening
but then at the same time people are being
shown and nothing's gonna happen at least
you know in the US and other places
you know Norway UK
India Lithuania there are
places where there's investigations coming out we'll see
what happens but in the US at least it's like
no nothing's gonna no one's
going down yeah 100%
man so I'm literally writing an article
like no bullshit that is
titled something I'm actually trying to look it up
now on the laptop but it's titled
something like
the Epstein files learned
helplessness and something else and literally
the title learned helplessness is in there
because what I see taking place is a collective form
of learned helplessness so this is
and I've been along like
worried about this man watching
with the introduction of social
media way back in the day
something that actually helped me to pick apart
my own fucking addictions
and you know just all of that
crazy bullshit and we come from a similar background
so you know like the legwork it takes
something that helped me tremendously
was when I started to study
neuroscience and learn
about how like the brain can change itself
and just also how
addiction is actually a form of escapism
and so on and so forth but I really
began to study the mind
obsessively and I wanted to do so
because I was operating from a very insecure
place psychologically
and I wanted to like defend myself I thought
I was living in this fucking war zone with everybody
but one of the most profound things
I did become aware of is how
the brain has a very difficult time
distinguishing
between thought and reality
and so now we have these devices
in our hands
that have been weaponized
on an unprecedented level
I mean think about it right
during the scandemic period
you could barely upload a video
that had a certain image
or even a certain word but now
they are force feeding us
the murder of Charlie Kirk or that
Ukrainian chick on the subway
we're watching a genocide in real time
in Palestine
and we are hardwired in such a way
that we are
meant to take
physical action in the face of injustice
especially when children
are being harmed
and now also with what's going on with these
Epstein file releases
it's just such an incessant onslaught
that it does exhaust people
already if you look at surveys
I try to always keep a pulse on what's going on
from an anthropological
perspective which is just a fancy
we are saying like
how is the collective psychology
of events affecting people
and they were already talking about being politically exhausted
and the reason why I do this is because I know
they've been functioning
with a technocratic blueprint for quite some time
which is to say
they look at these studies and these surveys
and just going back very quickly
to ancient Rome
one of the ways that
Augustus sees the guys of Tavia
so the first emperor he came to power
whether he was
this insidious or not
I'm not sure but it's been heavily studied
is he got people mentally and psychologically
totally exhausted
so they were just kind of acquiesce
and so brother
I share that exact same concern as you do
my dude
that's why I was saying in the beginning of this
I'm still internally trying to
figure out if this is organically
a win for humanity
or if this is some kind of
right to social engineering agenda
or if it's a bit of both
I definitely think it's probably kind of
like a lot of things
there's nuance it's not black and white
so there's genuine efforts
by genuine people to bring about
truth whether it's related to Epstein
or Gaza or other issues
and we wouldn't be able to do that
without the tool that is social media
and then at the same time we know that
the intelligence networks funded and created
social media and maybe
they lost control of it but maybe also
they could
foresee what might happen
there will be some awakening but at the same time
it will allow us to greater
manage and steer public perception
and thus reality
and so it's definitely I think
something for us to take in because obviously
I see this a lot
it's been one of my kind of
piece of concerns with the independent
truth movement freedom community whatever you want to say
when there is some big story
obviously Epstein this is something that's impacting
people and countries and politicians all
around the world so it's understandable
why everybody is talking about it
and at the same time whenever that
phenomenon happens not to always be
like oh look you're being distracted from this
because I do think sometimes there are
things that pop into pop culture
that are intended to sway us
from looking in another direction but at the same time
I think we're also capable of holding more than
one thought at a time and we can
talk about Epstein and we can talk about solutions
and stuff like that but just overall
the concern of like are we
allowing our attention
and our energy to just be steered
towards this and even if it is like
well we're winning right
we're the conspiracy theorist to write again
is there some deeper
purpose is there a reason why
that narrative is being sown and shown
to us and even how
the best of us can buy into those kind of
operations when they happen
100% man I think
I just want a more quick thing
I think one of the key things
is we have to always try
to be mindful of not becoming too
reactive but instead
trying to tap into inborn
creativity so don't be too reactive
but rather creative because I really believe
when it's all said and done
each of us are here for
a unique purpose and once we can tap
into that deeper purpose
we have something unique
to contribute to the greatest
story of humanity
versus the cancer that is elitism
absolutely well I wanted
to echo that sentiment by
bros you know it does feel like a lot of times
the conspiracy community
the truth community can be a little too
reactive a little too biased you know
I agree it might get the
clicks I might get the the views
not everything is a distraction right and
framing in that way it just shows
our bias are in
in our bias and I don't know
we just need to be objective right and I do
feel like this most
recent release of the Epstein
files has just become like a junk drawer
for every conspiracy right and I mean there's
been a bunch I've seen Bitcoin
kind of get swept under that people are
making claims originally that Bitcoin was
some Peter Thiel Jeffrey Epstein
creation so we do
have to be mindful of that but
on a different note here I am very
much enjoying this has been
great I'm learning a lot a lot of great
perspective here trying to keep up with
you to intellectual powerhouses
but you know speaking of the trans
humanism side of things and the learned
helplessness and the collective psychology
I think Gavin and Matt both touched
on this but obviously
technology continues to move ahead
at like light speed and
you know the line between
improving our tools and
improving ourselves is starting to blur
I mean we're starting to see
something like the meta smart classes
really take root and they're getting really popular
really fast and side
note there is a meta
memo that just came out recently that said
that they're waiting for like a big crisis or
political turmoil to actually roll out
special recognition capabilities
so that you know the watch dogs the
privacy groups and stuff like that will be
too overwhelmed to notice
or kind of mount a big campaign against
it but obviously these things
are becoming more popular people kind of want
that efficiency that ease of use
with a I attached everything
and there's a desire
by the brologarchy to move the ball
forward with the wearables I mean even
RFK last year was kind of promoting
this subtly and
you know the tech billionaires keep talking about
you know upgrading humans and even
living forever like it's the next
stage of society and I think
you know feel was one
person who you know I think it was
last year late last year where
he basically you know said that
he was asked the question should
humanity survive and he had that like really
awkward pause and kind of struggle
to answer and he said yes but we have to
radically solve these problems
and you know I don't know yeah
transhumanism like he is basically
pushing transhumanism
saying that this radical
transformation where your human body
your natural body gets trended transformed
into a moral body
it kind of
highlights what his his thoughts and beliefs
are on these things so
you know if the tech
billionaires do end up controlling these tools
to upgrade the human body and the mind
are we witnessing like
a next chapter of human evolution
I mean obviously it's like a bleak and a dark
one but is this where
like a new hierarchy where
you know biology itself becomes privatized
like it seems like it's going to
kind of
push the division and society
even further and obviously in
the realm of people actually have the
money to afford these types of things
but I could only imagine it kind of getting
worse and worse from here on out so
yeah do you guys kind of see
like
I don't know a shift in Mankind where
like there's the people who have the
wearables and the neurochips
and you know all these different
AI connected
types of technology
but then there's this whole other group that can't
well either doesn't want to have
anything to do with it or just can't afford
to be kind of in that same camp
you know what I actually think
Jason and I might be
a little bit overly romantic but I think it's
sensible, pragmatic and logical
is that yes
they undeniably
want to take
this materialistic power
and
use it as a next stage
of human evolution right you get trans
humanism then you get post humanism when
it's a whole another ballgame
and I do believe that
that is on the menu however
let's not forget that humanity
has no idea about the resourcefulness
that we have internally
whatever happened in our past
there is some kind of a collective
amnesia but there is a common theme
that I've found and I'm not sure
I don't want to put words in Derek's mouth but he's done a lot of
research into this I'm actually excited to
go ahead and watch some of those episodes
but there's also this consistent theme
of where there's like an oligarchical
or elitist structure
that seeks
to enslave people that would otherwise
obviously want to be authentically
autonomous and free
but what exactly is the
limits to our personal capabilities
we don't really know that
and so what I believe is
based on my research
there's been this reciprocal relationship
I've spoken about this in many times and maybe that's not the best
term to use but it's one
in which elitism
encroaches
and then humanity adapts
and so and I'm not in any way shape
or form but I want people to misunderstand
this or misconstrue this because you get this campus
things that suffering is essential
to humanity's growth and I just I don't
believe that I think we can do it through other means
we don't need psychopaths
and pedophiles to
facilitate our evolution
but I do think as they corner us
it's going to put us in a position
where we have to dig deeper
within our own resourcefulness
as the expression goes
you never know how strong you are
it's all being strong is the only
choice that you have and so I've lived this
on an individual level I know that Derek has lived this
on an individual level I know that you guys
have lived this on an individual level
and so what's generally true
for the individual is true for the collective
now unfortunately a lot of people
are going to get swept up in the bullshit
are a lot of people going to be overcome
by one of the most classical techniques
of all which is fear
yes but I still believe
optimistically
and uncompromisingly that humanity
will rise up
I love that definitely
I echo that sentiment that we're going to rise up
and I mean
I do think that I think there's multiple ways
of thinking about it we are going through
a constant evolution of course and as Gavin
was saying like are there going to be people who get caught up
in the sort of technocrat trans
humanist vision one way or the other
some people will you know
embrace it and love it and
jump the first in line
sort of thing others will
probably go along with these different
advancements both in terms of
things they try to do to the human body
whether that's brain trips or other
forms of what they consider evolution
some people will just get swept up in it
because they have no other choice and
just like with digital IDs and our concerns around
that as these types of like let's say
in some distant future or not
so distant future it goes from
being a physical digital ID that is necessary
to operate in society to being
what many people have feared a chip
or something like that there will be a lot of people
who because of their dependence
on these systems have to go along with it
so they're not necessarily doing it because they're willing
they are just doing it
because well they didn't plan ahead and they have
no other choice so I do think there will be
people who will be swept up in these things
some bought and sold others
you know I realized during COVID that
there's a number of different ways that these kinds of agendas
are sold to us
one of them is of course through entertainment
so for example with facial recognition
and these kinds of tools
you see that all the major
I think all of the stadiums now
in the United States for the NFL
they have facial recognition so you don't even have
a physical ticket anymore it's not even
with your phone it's just like scanning at the face
and that was a partnership with the NFL right
well most people who not everybody of course
but a lot of people who watch football
maybe they don't really care about their privacy
they're just there to see their team play
so they'll make an exception or excuse for that
that's one way
of course the other way to sell these ideas is through fear
we know that fear of terrorists
fear of immigrants well let's get you all the
digital ID let's put facial recognition everywhere
let's do flop cameras everywhere right
they sell these agendas through fear
they sell them through entertainment
and numerous different paths that they can try to
get the average person to
as Aldous Huxley said
to enjoy their slavery
to celebrate it right and so I think
that it's going to be the same thing
kind of tactics we see as transhumanism
advances and as those as it goes
from just being physical objects
like a digital ID or a phone you hold
but to something that is implanted inside of you
or to these
different concepts that they
claim are going to come to fruition
you know altering human DNA
and at the same time you know
my volunteer side of me
philosophically does believe
in bodily autonomy and does believe in
individual liberty and I think that every
individual has that right to choose that
if that is what they choose I think they're going to be
making the wrong choice and I think in the long
term we will probably find out
as people like Rudolph Steiner and others
have warned about like that things like
vaccinations and these other types of technology
the more we merge with it and goes from
being a tool but to being part of us
or maybe even taking over us
that we're also going to be kind of taken
further away from the spiritual
or the divine and whatever however you want to think
about that so I think there's a number of
different problematic issues when it comes
to transhumanism but
still I think that it is
every individual's right to choose what they
do with their body I think that's why it's
important for us to have these kind of conversations
because of people only hear the promises
of Elon Musk that brain ships are going to help
quadriplegic people walk again and it's
going to do all these wonderful things
if that's the only message people are hearing
or even just like a convenient
thing one of the other ones I've heard about
which I think is a mild form of transhumanism
is being able to you know instead of
using contact lenses being able to modify
somebody's eye color and being it
there's you know research out there studies on this
of how to be able to
it get individuals to be able to alter their
eye color alter different things about
your individual body using different
types of technology and so it'll be
it'll be sold as kind of like novelty
and convenience and
life-saving treatments and this and that but
ultimately I do think it's taking us in the
wrong direction the human evolution the
you know the next human
they say this is human 2.0 right the human
2.0 I'm concerned about it that I'm interested
in is one that brings together
spirituality and bring to
brings together indigenous knowledge from
around the world and gets us more connected
to the planet and to the creator
and and you know that's like the
spiritual intelligence emotional intelligence
that I'm interested in terms of human
humanity's evolution not so much
you know merging with the machines
I listened to too much fear factory when I was younger
and watched too much Terminator to think that's a good idea
right
right and you know I
absolutely agree brother and that's sort of actually
you know rubs up against my next
question because I know we're sort of running down on time here
we have a lot we have about 20 minutes and I know
Jason has one more question after mine
as well and then we still have our white pill
but one thing I just wanted to sort
of get your guys thoughts on
is because we've touched on it a lot
throughout this episode partially with the learned helplessness
partially with
you know a lot of the other stuff but so
we were discussing earlier like right
before the podcast started
sort of like the political delusion
of how a lot of people
sort of you know fall
into these state cults
and they believe one thing or another and
it's
certainly apparent with the whole
technocracy thing and even with transhumanism
you know people are delusional
with that idea of oh yeah you know we'll just be
you know half human
cyborgs and everything's gonna be cool and the
Elon Musk is gonna save the world and never mind the brain chips
and blah blah blah blah
and
partially with that delusion we also see
it also kind of jumps to my question about occultism
the fact that you know
people get cost sunk into these ideas
sometimes ideas that are deliberately
force fed to them so they're like oh
all occultism is evil
anything that's you know paganism is evil
blah blah when that is 100% not the case
or even the idea
with the Epstein files and you know we see
people talking about all the sacrifices
to quote-unquote mollock
when most people don't realize
or know mollock was never even a canonite
deity of Babylonian deity
it was a ritualistic sacrifice
but this conspiracy culture
sort of turned it into you know oh mollock
point being because I don't want to ramble
and take up a lot of our time
how do you
see both Derek
and Gavin this
these ideas
these sort of cults of personality
being utilized to brainwash
people into one or another
side of the political cult left
right all you know everything
has to be Christian or everything is satanic
or you know just all of these
different little ideas that are sort of
you know put into people's
heads to
create this
overarching divide and conquer narrative
that prevents people from reaching as Derek
was describing that sort of holistic
emotionally educated
sort of spiritual
gnosis as it were
I'll go ahead and use the word gnosis
yeah 100% man
so I would first
and foremost say that it's data driven again
so
and this is actually going back to Bertrand Russell
he used to speak about
how science will be weaponized
in the future
there will be scientific dictatorships
it will become more and more common
and these are very much data driven
decisions so they
learn about the target population
and then they will present a figure
amenable to whatever
that expectation
desires
so when we got on it
before we got on air
I spoke a little bit about
the documentary from Adam Curtis
Century of Self
where for the first time
they began to just heavily
utilize data
driven political campaigns
through Ronald Reagan
through the Val's campaign which was
values and lifestyles and they found out
what subscription this person has a subscription to
gun magazine whatever it is
and then they weaponized that against the people
and of course they're very famous
since Ronald Reagan was an actor
passed forward and of course Obama comes along
he has a messiah complex
they're comparing him to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr
and I was so naive man
when he was on his way out I was like
thank god that shit is done with
and then boom yeah it comes to Donald Trump
and with Donald Trump
undeniably, undoubtedly
it is very
sophisticated and data driven
which is to say that
they clearly
know I mean also if you look at some of the
scanners, the Cambridge Analytica scandal
obviously is very close with these
tech oligarchs and so on
they very clearly have a great deal of data
and information on
the population they are targeting and again because
we have been unfortunately so misled for
generations and generations
very few people authentically have self knowledge
of themselves they haven't made
the unconscious conscious within themselves
and so the unconscious parts of them
get weaponized that's what the state
always does that's what the parasite class always does
another thing that we
briefly touched on in the podcast
I did with you guys last time
was how many people authentically have
encountered somebody that's like oh you will call me
by my pronouns and this kind
of radical leftist ideology
it's a very small minority but what
can they do with
the technology that we have in our hands
well they can monopolize which is
something they used to talk about in MKUltra
and also you can find it in the
kubok interrogation manual
they would monopolize the social
environment which means you take control
of somebody's interpretation of reality
and I don't know if you guys can recall
likely you can because we've all been doing this for
around the same period of time about
15 years ago right and I'm
not a religious person I'm not an atheist
definitely believe in a higher power or myself
spiritual but about 15
years ago there was a very
strong undertone in fact an overtone
of kind of militant
atheism and
a lot of people I noticed
I had Christian friends and so on and so forth
that were very scared to pronounce
their beliefs now
it's been totally inverted
and what I find fascinating about that
is I've studied the history
of how
communist Russia and a great
publication to check out is of course
Professor Anthony Sutton he documented
this in great detail
with a number of different publications
he has several publications actually into it
that was lauded by the big new
and even the Council on Foreign Relations
before he started to like really dig deep
into everything but he documented
on how communist Russia
technologically, militarily
were built up
by western powers
and I went a bit deeper with it
and I found out that these were individuals
that were in leadership positions
of the Council on Foreign Relations
well lo and behold what was
the reaction to this radical leftism
it was fascism
Italy, Mussolini
and then of course Hitler, Hitler was very
violently opposed against
communism but what happens
one action you have an equal reaction
and so we now know
as I've documented in great detail
the people that were behind
Hitler's rise to power
not just financially and militarily
even ideologically because
his entire eugenics ethos
was given to him from
other western nations
when you take all of that into account
and you see
that okay they're playing
both sides and they have
a very indifferent look
that's like the Rockefeller network
they don't really care
like Derrick was saying
the problem is when they present themselves
as the proverbial
sheep but there's a wolf inside
that's the fundamental problem
and so what I see with what they did
in more recent history
is they had this radical leftist movement
and now you had this equally radical
rightist movement emerging
and so it just promotes tribalism
and again it's data driven
and it's based on sophisticated social
engineering
I would just basically echo that
just briefly that Gavin
you mentioned the Cambridge Analytica
and that's something that I've spent quite
a bit of time looking into as well
and I mean we could do
and there's plenty of podcasts out there
that talk about it but I think overall
in terms of the independent truth-seeking media
that a lot of people
dropped the ball on that in terms of understanding
how important it really is
like you said just the way that
everything they know about us
is through the data that we've voluntarily given
and that particular scandal
that particular leak
and showing how Facebook data was used
by the Trump administration and others
in order to know how to feed the message
I mean I think everything related to
the Q&A
probably came out of Cambridge Analytica
in a similar data collection just knowing how
we could feed this particular message
and it's going to make this crowd
think that Trump is a hero
we can feed this message and it's going to trigger this little
segment of the population
they've got it down to a science
so it's another reason why I think that just
in whatever practices or modalities
you have
or you're inclined towards
using that to just root yourself
even stronger in your own mind, your own heart
your own spirit and knowing who you are
what are your principles, what guides you
because otherwise even the most
well-intentioned
truth-seeker can be swept up in the hysteria
of the day and it can be done by
design there could be a very good
reason or some operation that is wanting you to
look in this direction or wanting you to feel this way
whether that's to be angry
even righteous anger or to be
sad or depressed or to fight over
this thing or to attack this person
like you mentioned with the sort of pronoun issue
they can take concepts
and ideas which might only affect a very
very small portion of the population
or maybe even no one and amplify it
and have it go viral on tiktok and instagram
and elsewhere and then the next thing it's the topic of the day
it's the debate of the day it's the thing we're spending
hours of our precious time
arguing with people and I'm saying this
from experience of having been swept up
in these things I think we all have experienced that
and then realize like shit I just got freaking
pulled into this and even if it's not an operation
even if this is a real issue
did I just serve any purpose did I provide any
value to myself did I help my family did I help
my community did I help myself that I
learn a new skill or
did I just waste time debating
with a bot potentially
right
yeah excellent point Derek I find
myself asking myself that more
and more especially lately especially
with the influx of bots it seemed like
they're everywhere on twitter
with their one word responses just trying
to troll and inflame the conversation
but this has certainly
been a fascinating conversation
I'm so grateful for everybody on this
call today and before I
get into my my last
question here I'm thinking a little bit
bigger picture for this one I'm thinking about kind of
more of like the the human impact
here and I think it might be able
to give people some tools to kind of see through
the psyops and the genders and the propaganda
and I think maybe Matt
will serve up the final white
pill question at the end here but with
transhumanism eugenics and
like all these emerging biometric
and AI driven systems it's
kind of easy to get lost in the
abstract theory of
it all and the futuristic vision of
you know what these technocrats want
for society so I kind of wanted to
zoom out to like the everyday
person and like how these
agendas actually impact our lives right
now I mean obviously
these technologies are framed as
like you know progress and convenience
the innovation all these types
of things but they we've seen
kind of a pattern here and especially
around covid where it's like first it's
optional you know and then
businesses adopt it then institutions
require it and then eventually
you can't opt out of some of these
things without paying a price or a
penalty or fine so I wanted
to ask both of you how do we
recognize when these invasive technologies
stop being these you know
optional conveniences and
start becoming more of these social
expectations like we like we saw during
covid the kinds of things that you need
to participate in to work or
for health care or for travel or
just kind of the basic interaction
with public life so
again I'm not a religious dude right
but there is a great expression that
I think helps to encapsulate
my point which is
by their fruits you shall know them
just to say that a
a good tree is going to give you good fruit
but a bad tree which is to say it's got
bad roots it's only going to give you bad
fruit and so all we need to
do is look at who is in charge of
these technologies do they
have humanity's best interest in mind
what does their track record say
what do their mouths say
what do their writings say
and when it becomes very clear
at least to me it is unambiguously
clear and I know it can be difficult
like Derek was
unbly acknowledging we are all
you know being a dad
now and looking at my child always
been very interested and fascinated by human nature
and it's far more natural
to us to get swept
up in emotions the intoxicating
feeling of emotions we are
predisposed to that and so we have
to be mindful of that we have to take a step back
constantly when that takes place
and so I know there's a lot of very
alluring and exciting propaganda
and you know just introductory
social engineering is that
a loud voice is louder than
a soft voice and so they are screaming
you know ears about all these different narratives
but if we can just
find a way
like Derek was saying to be grounded
inside of ourselves to be grounded internally
and this takes practice but anybody can do it
I know me being plagued with
anxiety and PTSD I was
internally at warth myself all the time
I can do it then I know anybody
can do it but that's
what people actually need to start if you
are having these internal conflicts
and you are feeling pushed and pulled
by just trigger terms and words
start internally with yourself
and you know
I don't want to hug up too much time there
but
invariably I think that
if we can just take a
step back recognize
that these people
are clearly
engaged in sinister intentions
I mean the direction of
what's going on around the world like we're living through
a fucking genocide we've lived through a genocide
the scantemic period
I don't want to get too hysterical
but it's pretty clear
and now they're like agitating for
what could potentially be a third world war
the people at the steering wheel are a problem guys
so
let's take a step back and recognize that
they being in charge of this technology
is already a problem so the writing
is on the wall there
and no one can do everything
but everyone can do something
and we should just be pragmatic
so when I look
at Derek for example
Derek has been probably the best
personification of being creative
in that he is creating
like a proper exit strategy
which is wonderful
that is absolutely needed
you know having a
community
that can step into the future
and pursue
what I believe humanity is actually
programmed to do and that's
genuinely create a better world
but then you have to also be practical based
on your personal circumstances
and then so for somebody like myself
I say well what can I do
well first of all I've got a lot of personal circumstances
that arose from 2019
when almost
you know almost fatally
died or and so on and so forth
and then I had a child and
so I have to be realistic and work within that framework
and say okay I've got to take care
of this little boy and that requires
me to take care of myself first
but what can I still do to contribute
because innately what I've found is all
of our purposes in my
experience are connected to
contributing in some way
and so I know I can be a strategist
I can help people
to unlearn helplessness
and to empower them
and just kind of
echoing what a lot of what Derek has been saying
and I think what I've also been saying in this podcast
and also you guys is that
it is important undeniably
to be aware of what's
transpiring and on some level
to be responsive not reactive
but we do need to be creative
and whatever that creativity is
it's something that's going to be an internal
conviction for yourself
Excellent excellent answered
Alright yeah so as you guys both know
before we wrap we always
we always end in a white pill but
I want to do some glazing first because I love you guys
man and you know we've been knowing each other for a very long time
Gavin I haven't met you in person
but I feel like we have hung out in person
for a long time
yeah man what you guys
do is rare you know
we're lucky again I say this a lot
because there's very few people that do
that stay principled and keep going
like the people that we have on this podcast
and it's almost like you just
change this podcast name to keeping your principles
I mean except we've had some people
who have since
changed their view but anyway
man yeah Gavin dude I know you're like
you're always working in the background
you've got like a totally different ethic
you know you kind of disappear for months at a time
and then you pop up and you have this
new project you're working on and it's amazing
I love it and I just I can't wait to see
what the future holds from you like especially with
the Truth Warrior Academy
you know I
I'm like looking forward to that launch
and bros man you know
it's different with you like I see you out there
every day in the trenches on Twitter you know
like I love it when
when Elon posts some bullshit and you're like
shut the fuck up
sometimes I can't resist man
I've got an event for the month
it's like dude that's what I want to say
you know so I want to say that shit out loud
but I mean you also
work in the background too with your new book dude
you know a man in my word which is
which is awesome I haven't read it yet but I
I can't wait man I love reading my friends books
but anyway
we've spent the last hour and a
half or hour and 45 minutes
actually talking about some of the
darkest corners of the global elite
man it's you know it's easy for people to
feel like they're being swallowed up by this giant high-tech
machine but you know like
Gavin didn't even get a white pill and just talking
given Jason's answer last
question started getting white pill
that's the reason we do this show is right
we want to find the exit strategy
we want to give solutions
to people and
so to end on a high note you know as
we begun with the Andrew
Prince Andrew's arrest right this old
world system of blackmail
and central control
control seems to be cannibalizing itself
like at least on the surface and that
gives me a little bit of hope right so
what's the most encouraging thing
we could start with Gavin right what's the most
encouraging thing you see happening in the
parallel world right now
whether it's like algorithm local community
building or like
anything out there that you see that
our listeners should be putting their
energy today in to ensure
that the technocracy fails before it gets
any for any more further established
Gavin what's your thoughts brother
so thank you first and foremost for the
very kind words and encouragement brother
I really appreciate that man
you know
so I think that it's
it's all around us man
we've all been doing this again around the
same period of time and it's
easy to forget because time has
just flown right I still feel like that kid
that just started this out of
like this innocent interest
but
the quantum leaps that have been taken in
the discussions that can be had
the darkness that has been illuminated
and yes we've got a lot of legwork
to do in regards to the tribalism
but one thing I actually did become aware of
I mean I try not to plug in too much to
the proverbial matrix when these events
transpire but I actually saw
a lot of people seem beyond
the political bullshit man
I would just glaze over
the comments where the bots weren't taking over
and
lo and behold
people are becoming disillusioned
and it's like every single time they come
with whether it is a genuine
site or an organic
event more and more people are becoming disillusioned
and like I said man I'm just
truly optimistic
that we will rise
collectively as a human species
I just don't think they're going to be able to outplay
the grand chess player
the grand master that created us
I do believe somebody
someone something created us
and they had benevolent intentions
and there's a proverbial fail
safe inside of us
and I think we will rise to the occasion
and then just one thing before I do hand it over
to Derek that I think is relevant
for everybody right now that's listening to this
you've probably heard about it before
it was this very interesting study done
in the 50s right by Johns Hopkins University
and I mean it's kind of sad and tragic
rats are always getting the
shit into the stick but they took
these rats and they put them in some
water for 15 minutes
but there was no way they could escape and they drowned
in 15 minutes right
however when they rescued
them just before the 15 minute time limit
lapsed
and they put them in the water again
those rats would swim
for dozens and dozens of hours
because they had hope
and so the
key thing guys
is that there is hope
I'm not trying to be ridiculously
and unnaturally romantic in my interpretations
but the
pivotal social engineering
technique that has been weaponized for thousands
of years again you can read about this in the art of war
from Sun Tzu is they want
to rob you of hope
and so be mindful
that this light at the end of the tunnel
but that tunnel is inside
yourself so don't get
too reactive and caught up in what's
going externally around you
doesn't mean that now I'm promoting ignorance
doesn't mean that I'm saying that you need to be indifferent
but pay more attention
and energy to the internal
environment because that's when shit's gonna
change
beautiful I love that
I'll just add real quick
I share a similar vision
and I don't know how else to say it
other than just the way it comes to me
I'm not a pessimist
I'm not an overly optimistic person either
but I'm not a black pilled person
I do have hope
I continuously heard throughout my life
from one of my greatest spiritual influences
my granny that as long as there's life
there's hope and I always take that
with me I think as long as we're alive
as long as we're breathing
there's still an opportunity
there's still a chance for us to turn things around
and I also believe that this is humanity's destiny
I 100% believe
and know that this is why I'm here on this planet
to play a role to be involved
to work with people like yourselves
towards a better future for the coming seven generations
and beyond and I think we all have a role to play
and once we find what that is
we can all step up to the plate
and realize that this is what we're here for
this is our moment so thankful to be here with you guys
thanks for having me on today
amen brother
that was some great responses
before we get out of here real quick
we're all going to put your social medias and all your websites underneath here
but how about you guys
plug a project that you're working on right now
that you'd like people to hear about
Derek you can start bud
probably the most relevant thing right now
you guys have mentioned my book a couple of times
I really appreciate that if people are curious
and want to learn more about my story
of going through drug addiction and depression
and suicide and attempts and prison
and basically the prequel to
how I got into the work I'm doing today
you can check my book out it's called a man of my word
how I overcame addiction, depression
and mental and physical prisons
at amanofmyword.com
and then the pyramid of power
it's almost all out now
it'll be full A out on March 6th
so you can find that and the book version
at thepyramidofpower.net
awesome Gavin what about you brother
I am very slowly
but surely
and consistently working towards Truth Warrior Academy
man I feel very good about it
I feel like it's something
unique, creative
and highly significant that I can
contribute
and like I said man whatever that is to
whoever's listening there's something
you just have to become aligned with it
but there's something that you can authentically
offer that nobody else can
it's been taking a lot of time
apologies to the people
that are listening
essentially single parenting I'm in a foreign country
I'm working on getting back to South Africa
so things have been very challenging there's a lot going on
in Gavin Land
but I am
very much focused
on getting it done the first course
is pretty much done
I just want to make it meticulous because
the first one is on the grand
topic which I believe should
form a foundational education
and that is simply what is
Truth
right everybody talks
about it but how many people have
fundamentally resolved like what is that
because Truth
is when we take our subjective
perception
and align it with objective reality
that's when you are in pursuit of the Truth
of course it's a lot more complex than that
and I'm going to break it down in a very simplified way
but that is what I'm
working on
I love it
that sounds intriguing as hell dude
I can't wait
brothers thank y'all so much for coming on
this was probably our longest podcast in history
and it was amazing and it had to be
this was great
thanks for having me on guys
thanks for coming on Derek
I appreciate it brother
thank you brother good to talk to you and connect with you
look forward to connecting with all of you soon
keep doing the good work
likewise brother
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