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Chris, welcome to the program.
It's great to be with you, Dr. Paul.
Very good. We're going to talk about a subject that's very much in the news.
And it could be entertaining out of its apparent silliness at that time, but it is a very serious business.
When you deal with NATO and war and killing and all this nonsense.
So we're going to try to bring everybody up to date because there was a little bit of news here.
The president was in the news again. He likes that.
And he was talking a little bit about NATO.
And he signed it a little bit disappointed because things haven't gone exactly as he pleaded.
He pleaded, as he pledged, and that is getting the straight of her moose open.
Because I thought, I thought it closed because of our foreign policy, if I must take it.
But anyway, he wants to get it open.
So he asked a few people to do that and nobody wants to help.
That makes us look badly, I think.
What are we going to do if they're not even going to help us?
And Trump was not too happy.
Of course, an answer for a non-interventionist is, why do we get into messes like this?
And what might be the end?
Oh, don't worry. It's only going to be a couple of days.
It'll be over. Won't cost too much.
Well, it's going on a little longer than they said.
We've already spent $25 billion of conquering Iran.
So we'll have to see what happens.
But the contest we want to talk about, Chris, today is a little bit of the contest between Trump and NATO.
Because Trump has had a pretty good position on NATO.
You know, he at times inferred that we don't need NATO.
He wanted to cut the spending.
But ultimately it came out, it's the vacillation that makes our job difficult.
Trying to figure out what he said yesterday and what he's saying now and what he's thinking tomorrow.
So anyway, we have been back and forth and this very short war that we entered into.
And I think, I don't think the people had a vote on it.
I don't think the Congress had a vote on it, but Trump voted for it.
So that happened.
But unfortunately, the members of Congress, along with the acceptance by the people, the money appeared.
$25 billion, an undeclared war that's not going bad.
And Chris, it looks like Trump is recognizing this.
I mean, he's pretty bold in his statements.
But today and yesterday, he had to say, hey, can you help me out a little bit?
You know, will you send me some troops over here?
I told him that we were going to get this straight up, it was open.
And it's not really open unless you have special passports and then we'll let your ship go through.
So it is a bit of a mess.
So Chris, in this regard, I imagine that you have pretty strong feeling about this because you lean toward non-intervention as I recall.
Chris.
Well, I do work for you, Dr. Paul.
Also, yes.
And yeah, when it comes to Trump and NATO, it depends on the day or maybe even the time of day because he flips back and forth, you know, depending on the day.
As long as NATO is doing what Trump wants, he has no problem with them.
But as you mentioned, yeah, he asked for their help.
He created a big problem in Iran that no one seems to be able to solve.
And NATO's like, no, we're not going to.
So now, you know, right after that, well, we don't need your help.
Well, why did you ask for their help then if he didn't need it?
We know why he needs their help because he has created a big problem, you know, and he wants to pass along the cost.
Let's get everybody involved.
It'll take the heat off of me.
And Europe's not falling for it, at least not yet.
And they're keeping the heat on Trump and on Israel because they're the ones that created this problem.
So they don't want the costs.
Where are they going to go on a suicide mission to try to open this straight?
And who can blame them?
So, and what's this even about anymore?
They never even had an answer to begin with bringing freedom to Iraqis or not Iraqis Iranians.
That's obviously not it.
Now it's the usual U.S. thing destruction.
We're just going to destroy everything now.
That's where we are today.
So, yeah, we'll talk more about NATO, but as of now, they're not looking to bail him out.
Right.
You know, I'm going to read a quote from our friend Dave DeKamp on anti-war.
And it's a little bit longer than usual for me.
And but it tells you what the thinking is on this and what has really been involved here.
But this is this is just written maybe to get last night or day.
And it comes on.
It starts NATO is making a very foolish mistake.
I've long said whether or not this is the president talking or not, they'd be there for us.
And this was a great test.
The president told reporters early in the day, Trump said in the post on truth special that he had been informed by most of our NATO allies that they don't want to get involved.
With our military operation against the terrorist regime of Iran in the Middle East.
Sounds like he's a little bit discouraged.
But he goes on to say, well, many NATO's unwillingness to join the war.
The president insisted he doesn't need them or any of the US allies in the Asian Pacific,
claiming that the US military, the US Israeli bombing campaign has decimated Iran's military.
Looks like the war's over.
Mission accomplished.
Okay, this is this will close out his little quote.
Because of the fact that we have had such a military success.
This is still Trump.
We no longer need or desire the NATO countries assistant.
We never did.
Likewise, Japan, Australia and South Korea.
And then he goes on in fact, speaking as president of the United States by far the most powerful country in the world.
We do not need help of anyone.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Chris, what I think about this is this could be molded into a very non interventions foreign policy.
He doesn't like what's going on.
Well, if we if this intervention doesn't didn't happen, whether it was in Korea, Vietnam, you know, the Middle East, Ukraine, all these places.
We wouldn't have to do this.
And we wouldn't have to be so far in debt.
So, yeah, he has the bits and pieces in there.
But I gathering from this Chris, have you asked me wrong?
Tell me exactly what he's all about.
What's he going to do?
I'd have to confess.
I can't read his mind because it wanders at time.
Yeah, that's right, Dr. Paul.
And someone on X made a joke so I can't take credit for it.
And this isn't a joking matter, but it shows, you know, the environment that we're living in.
And he said, you know, Trump will be the first president to lose a war that he won 15 times.
So it's it just shows that when it comes to explaining what's going on, the president's not the guy.
He's not going to tell us anything.
You know, he contradicts himself daily.
And it's actually rather annoying to be honest, but getting back to NATO.
NATO is an instrument of the Empire.
That's why they keep it around.
NATO should have been dissolved in 1991 when the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.
That was the West versus the Soviets.
Well, the Soviets are gone.
So what do you need NATO for?
The Soviets are gone.
The Warsaw Pact is gone.
Well, knowing our country and the leverage that it likes to hold, why don't they keep it around for a bit?
It's a instrument that we can use.
It's this consolidated militarism of Europe that the U.S. can, you know, have a huge influence over.
So they kept it.
And this has been a tremendous, tremendous cost on the American people ever since 1991.
And, you know, we just can't get rid of this dinosaur.
And Putin, you know, he's right when he says Europe has no foreign policy.
They're controlled by the U.S.
Why even bother with Europe?
So that's the reason why this thing is still there.
And it's a shame because it hurts Europe.
It hurts America and it hurts the world.
So, but that's the situation that we're in and we're still not able to get out of it.
You know, I think this is an eye-opener for Trump because he hasn't been put down anything like this.
This is going on right now.
But he has good comebacks.
Well, you may not need them now.
We can handle it all.
But his goal, I think, basically one way or the other, he wants to control.
So if we didn't want him and want to get rid of it, didn't that happen?
Then go ahead and start one vacant plea, do what we tell you.
And then they don't respond because all we can offer is threats and money.
And people will get worried about that.
Even the money, you know, $25 billion means nothing.
But that wasn't a week we spent that.
People are realizing that the dollar isn't there forever.
So this is what is up against the other.
And the policies are changing.
And the truth is, the American people aren't going to know exactly what's going to happen for a few more weeks, if not months.
Yeah, the next thing I wanted to talk about Dr. Paul is the resistance that is necessary, you know, peaceful vocal resistance against this because government creates a mess.
We go through this over and over.
And then they double down, you know, they triple down.
They don't stop until a public opinion is just so overwhelming.
You know, we just went through COVID a few years ago.
They didn't stop.
They just kept piling on the stuff that, you know, was useless.
They kept cranking out booster after booster after booster and people were finally, you know, we're done with all this.
And that's it.
So that's what we're dealing with.
Now, the thing is we're talking about, again, lives that are on the line because more people have people have already died and they'll send more people to die if nobody, you know, has the courage to step up and to speak out.
And that's the best that we can do as citizens is to at least speak because ideas are infectious and they spread.
And this war never had public opinion in its favor from day one, which is, you know, he went in not even caring.
What the American people thought knowing that we're against it.
So more, more vocal is necessary.
Whatever way you do it, social media, music, videos, whatever works to get the word out that this has to stop before the deaths go into the thousands and 10,000s and hundreds of thousands of governments do that routinely.
They don't, you know, that's just what they do.
People in power.
So it's very important to speak out in whatever capacity that you're able to.
Very good.
You know, deep funding is an answer.
You know, we just quit deep, quit spending the money and defund it and just left there that had the people in that area would have to live with them live with their neighbors and get along.
But, you know, there was a lot of requests for support of this.
And of course it came from Netanyahu.
He would come and had free reigns.
He could go to the Congress, speak on a house floor and say, this is what I need.
This is what I need.
But why can't he provide some help if it's so important?
But of course I think the important thing for me to understand this, it didn't work.
It's not working.
It never works.
In every place we go, you know, Johnson, LBJ, I remember so clearly, he says, I don't want to be the first president to lose a war.
Guess what?
We lost Vietnam.
We did not win in Korea on and on.
And what did we do in the Middle East?
We lose that one too.
And so this is the case.
But and I'm glad you mentioned it about American people need to participate in this too because the people make a difference.
And I watched this very carefully because, you know, I was of draft age and I did get drafted in the 60s.
That the people, when they started, you know, resisting the war and the war effort here at home, and you saw thousands and thousands of people.
That is finally when Congress woke up.
So it's it's not it's not democracy, but it's better than a democracy we've had to live around.
We live with that's the same way they COVID fiasco almost ended, you know, it was held the people got sick and tired of it.
So the people have to be informed.
That's why Chris, I think one of our jobs and efforts is with a program like this is trying to get people to think of these things in a little different fashion.
Because I can understand the happiness with Maga and some of the things that Trump has done and there's less regulations.
But we don't like to be tricked into things to say we're going to have peace and we're not going to ever start a war and that sort of thing is very frustrating.
But it's something that, you know, I work on the assumption that the large majority of the American people, if they were offered a program that we might devise and devise the program that has existed for 100 years.
I think that pick our programs right off the bat and it's all based on the Constitution and freedom.
And it still could be used in that and you know it's simple.
How do you do? How do you get the people home?
You just send them home, take them home, send them a ship, give them a ticket on the airplane, bring them home and quit this bleeding.
And that's what that's what they're thinking about.
But I think power and money is still, you know, the final answer, even though the factions that are into the business of profiteering from weaponry and also, you know,
looking for power, they're in charge, but they're not the majority.
The majority is just like a day's ago is not speaking out.
The majority always has to be awakened.
But I think the most significant issue that ever put our people to sleep to argue and understand the argument about answering it with more liberty.
And that is that has happened.
I think it was the educational system.
So we can't expect that we'll ever change that in the near future.
The universities, they depend on the government.
They'll do what the government says and we'll take away your money.
You can't have this speaker or that speaker because we're going to regulate it.
It's the fact that the Constitution and a free society, they're not in charge of all the universities and what they can teach.
This could be is the problem.
And that's why I work hard to try to spread this message either through this program or through the other things that we do.
And that is the area where I'm optimistic, Chris, and I am delighted that you're right in the battle of this and would like to close out a little program today.
Yes, thank you.
I'll close by saying that if you want to do something else, we actually have something else coming up.
And that's April 25th, Lake Jackson.
We have a conference.
We hold several conferences each year, one in Texas, one in Virginia.
So our Texas is coming up.
Dr. Paul's hometown comes see the speakers that we have lined up.
I will put a link.
It's not there yet in the description of the show, but I'll put a link there.
If you could join us, we'd love to have you down there.
Very good.
And I do want to thank all the support that we get for the many people and spreading the message because our message has to be spread by individuals out there.
And I'd prefer to believe the quote that I frequently use and that is, you know, you can't stop an idea whose time has come.
The idea of liberty, I believe, is much stronger and getting much better embedded in our system.
And it has been for a long time, although on the surface, it doesn't appear that way.
But we have to be optimistic enough that ideas have consequences.
And I keep thinking, well, how did the founders get the people to go along with the ideas they had?
That was really radical.
And I would say, well, one thing they had, they had pamphleteering.
It helped a lot.
I'll tell you what, we have a lot of pamphlets and spread around.
And even though there's lots of questions on what happens and the negatives on the internet, I think the ability and the ability for us to use the internet and spread the message of liberty is very encouraging.
I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to the Liberty Report. Please come back soon.