WEBVTT 00:00.500 --> 00:04.080 The spirit of this revolution is not going away. 00:04.260 --> 00:10.280 This is the Ron Paul Liberty Report with Ron Paul, Daniel McAdams, and Chris Rossini. 00:10.720 --> 00:16.560 We're all ambassadors of the Ron Paul Doctrine, and it's a success. Just tell the truth. 00:21.180 --> 00:36.050 And thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report. 00:36.610 --> 00:39.530 With us today we have Chris Rossini, he is our co-host. 00:39.530 --> 00:41.650 Chris, welcome to the program. 00:41.970 --> 00:43.490 It's great to be with you, Dr. Paul. 00:43.930 --> 00:48.390 Very good. We're going to talk about a subject that's very much in the news. 00:49.030 --> 00:54.890 And it could be entertaining out of its apparent silliness at that time, but it is a very serious business. 00:55.410 --> 01:00.070 When you deal with NATO and war and killing and all this nonsense. 01:00.390 --> 01:05.030 So we're going to try to bring everybody up to date because there was a little bit of news here. 01:05.570 --> 01:08.150 The president was in the news again. He likes that. 01:08.150 --> 01:11.450 And he was talking a little bit about NATO. 01:12.230 --> 01:18.470 And he signed it a little bit disappointed because things haven't gone exactly as he pleaded. 01:18.750 --> 01:23.570 He pleaded, as he pledged, and that is getting the straight of her moose open. 01:23.910 --> 01:29.070 Because I thought, I thought it closed because of our foreign policy, if I must take it. 01:29.350 --> 01:31.350 But anyway, he wants to get it open. 01:31.550 --> 01:37.390 So he asked a few people to do that and nobody wants to help. 01:37.390 --> 01:39.750 That makes us look badly, I think. 01:39.910 --> 01:42.630 What are we going to do if they're not even going to help us? 01:42.810 --> 01:44.450 And Trump was not too happy. 01:45.050 --> 01:51.150 Of course, an answer for a non-interventionist is, why do we get into messes like this? 01:51.510 --> 01:53.770 And what might be the end? 01:54.050 --> 01:56.450 Oh, don't worry. It's only going to be a couple of days. 01:56.570 --> 01:58.030 It'll be over. Won't cost too much. 01:58.250 --> 02:01.010 Well, it's going on a little longer than they said. 02:01.230 --> 02:06.810 We've already spent $25 billion of conquering Iran. 02:06.810 --> 02:08.750 So we'll have to see what happens. 02:09.410 --> 02:15.930 But the contest we want to talk about, Chris, today is a little bit of the contest between Trump and NATO. 02:16.410 --> 02:19.610 Because Trump has had a pretty good position on NATO. 02:20.230 --> 02:23.530 You know, he at times inferred that we don't need NATO. 02:23.790 --> 02:25.090 He wanted to cut the spending. 02:25.630 --> 02:31.110 But ultimately it came out, it's the vacillation that makes our job difficult. 02:31.290 --> 02:35.870 Trying to figure out what he said yesterday and what he's saying now and what he's thinking tomorrow. 02:35.870 --> 02:45.910 So anyway, we have been back and forth and this very short war that we entered into. 02:46.410 --> 02:50.570 And I think, I don't think the people had a vote on it. 02:50.930 --> 02:55.930 I don't think the Congress had a vote on it, but Trump voted for it. 02:56.030 --> 02:57.150 So that happened. 02:57.150 --> 03:06.450 But unfortunately, the members of Congress, along with the acceptance by the people, the money appeared. 03:06.710 --> 03:10.710 $25 billion, an undeclared war that's not going bad. 03:11.330 --> 03:14.350 And Chris, it looks like Trump is recognizing this. 03:14.570 --> 03:17.110 I mean, he's pretty bold in his statements. 03:17.530 --> 03:22.130 But today and yesterday, he had to say, hey, can you help me out a little bit? 03:22.590 --> 03:24.710 You know, will you send me some troops over here? 03:24.710 --> 03:28.130 I told him that we were going to get this straight up, it was open. 03:28.270 --> 03:35.950 And it's not really open unless you have special passports and then we'll let your ship go through. 03:36.330 --> 03:39.350 So it is a bit of a mess. 03:40.310 --> 03:50.990 So Chris, in this regard, I imagine that you have pretty strong feeling about this because you lean toward non-intervention as I recall. 03:51.370 --> 03:51.590 Chris. 03:51.910 --> 03:53.430 Well, I do work for you, Dr. Paul. 03:53.430 --> 03:53.870 Also, yes. 03:55.690 --> 04:06.230 And yeah, when it comes to Trump and NATO, it depends on the day or maybe even the time of day because he flips back and forth, you know, depending on the day. 04:06.390 --> 04:09.670 As long as NATO is doing what Trump wants, he has no problem with them. 04:09.990 --> 04:12.750 But as you mentioned, yeah, he asked for their help. 04:13.210 --> 04:17.250 He created a big problem in Iran that no one seems to be able to solve. 04:17.610 --> 04:20.310 And NATO's like, no, we're not going to. 04:20.830 --> 04:24.690 So now, you know, right after that, well, we don't need your help. 04:24.730 --> 04:27.090 Well, why did you ask for their help then if he didn't need it? 04:27.150 --> 04:34.330 We know why he needs their help because he has created a big problem, you know, and he wants to pass along the cost. 04:34.530 --> 04:35.590 Let's get everybody involved. 04:35.810 --> 04:37.190 It'll take the heat off of me. 04:38.230 --> 04:40.510 And Europe's not falling for it, at least not yet. 04:41.550 --> 04:47.050 And they're keeping the heat on Trump and on Israel because they're the ones that created this problem. 04:48.170 --> 04:50.030 So they don't want the costs. 04:50.190 --> 04:53.290 Where are they going to go on a suicide mission to try to open this straight? 04:53.650 --> 04:54.910 And who can blame them? 04:55.930 --> 04:59.070 So, and what's this even about anymore? 04:59.830 --> 05:05.630 They never even had an answer to begin with bringing freedom to Iraqis or not Iraqis Iranians. 05:05.990 --> 05:07.370 That's obviously not it. 05:07.490 --> 05:10.450 Now it's the usual U.S. thing destruction. 05:10.770 --> 05:12.470 We're just going to destroy everything now. 05:12.570 --> 05:13.770 That's where we are today. 05:13.770 --> 05:20.550 So, yeah, we'll talk more about NATO, but as of now, they're not looking to bail him out. 05:20.670 --> 05:21.250 Right. 05:21.870 --> 05:26.250 You know, I'm going to read a quote from our friend Dave DeKamp on anti-war. 05:26.830 --> 05:29.390 And it's a little bit longer than usual for me. 05:30.030 --> 05:38.130 And but it tells you what the thinking is on this and what has really been involved here. 05:38.130 --> 05:42.370 But this is this is just written maybe to get last night or day. 05:43.350 --> 05:45.450 And it comes on. 05:45.710 --> 05:48.630 It starts NATO is making a very foolish mistake. 05:48.830 --> 05:54.170 I've long said whether or not this is the president talking or not, they'd be there for us. 05:54.270 --> 05:56.010 And this was a great test. 05:56.370 --> 06:08.110 The president told reporters early in the day, Trump said in the post on truth special that he had been informed by most of our NATO allies that they don't want to get involved. 06:08.130 --> 06:15.090 With our military operation against the terrorist regime of Iran in the Middle East. 06:15.110 --> 06:16.970 Sounds like he's a little bit discouraged. 06:17.370 --> 06:23.150 But he goes on to say, well, many NATO's unwillingness to join the war. 06:23.590 --> 06:30.610 The president insisted he doesn't need them or any of the US allies in the Asian Pacific, 06:31.250 --> 06:40.330 claiming that the US military, the US Israeli bombing campaign has decimated Iran's military. 06:40.710 --> 06:41.530 Looks like the war's over. 06:42.050 --> 06:43.010 Mission accomplished. 06:44.250 --> 06:47.050 Okay, this is this will close out his little quote. 06:47.250 --> 06:50.570 Because of the fact that we have had such a military success. 06:51.090 --> 06:52.050 This is still Trump. 06:52.310 --> 06:56.630 We no longer need or desire the NATO countries assistant. 06:56.630 --> 06:57.750 We never did. 06:58.090 --> 07:01.330 Likewise, Japan, Australia and South Korea. 07:02.730 --> 07:09.510 And then he goes on in fact, speaking as president of the United States by far the most powerful country in the world. 07:10.030 --> 07:12.230 We do not need help of anyone. 07:12.650 --> 07:15.350 Thank you for your attention to this matter. 07:15.590 --> 07:22.670 Chris, what I think about this is this could be molded into a very non interventions foreign policy. 07:22.730 --> 07:24.190 He doesn't like what's going on. 07:24.190 --> 07:36.630 Well, if we if this intervention doesn't didn't happen, whether it was in Korea, Vietnam, you know, the Middle East, Ukraine, all these places. 07:36.690 --> 07:38.050 We wouldn't have to do this. 07:38.090 --> 07:39.630 And we wouldn't have to be so far in debt. 07:39.990 --> 07:42.710 So, yeah, he has the bits and pieces in there. 07:43.430 --> 07:48.550 But I gathering from this Chris, have you asked me wrong? 07:48.730 --> 07:50.510 Tell me exactly what he's all about. 07:50.650 --> 07:51.530 What's he going to do? 07:52.010 --> 07:52.870 I'd have to confess. 07:52.870 --> 07:56.170 I can't read his mind because it wanders at time. 07:56.550 --> 07:57.930 Yeah, that's right, Dr. Paul. 07:58.110 --> 08:02.410 And someone on X made a joke so I can't take credit for it. 08:02.410 --> 08:08.110 And this isn't a joking matter, but it shows, you know, the environment that we're living in. 08:08.490 --> 08:13.130 And he said, you know, Trump will be the first president to lose a war that he won 15 times. 08:14.130 --> 08:21.030 So it's it just shows that when it comes to explaining what's going on, the president's not the guy. 08:21.030 --> 08:22.550 He's not going to tell us anything. 08:23.110 --> 08:25.210 You know, he contradicts himself daily. 08:25.730 --> 08:30.670 And it's actually rather annoying to be honest, but getting back to NATO. 08:31.130 --> 08:33.950 NATO is an instrument of the Empire. 08:34.230 --> 08:35.410 That's why they keep it around. 08:35.910 --> 08:41.650 NATO should have been dissolved in 1991 when the Warsaw Pact was dissolved. 08:41.850 --> 08:44.170 That was the West versus the Soviets. 08:44.390 --> 08:45.310 Well, the Soviets are gone. 08:45.810 --> 08:47.350 So what do you need NATO for? 08:47.670 --> 08:48.670 The Soviets are gone. 08:48.670 --> 08:50.450 The Warsaw Pact is gone. 08:52.130 --> 08:58.590 Well, knowing our country and the leverage that it likes to hold, why don't they keep it around for a bit? 08:58.730 --> 09:00.450 It's a instrument that we can use. 09:00.630 --> 09:08.370 It's this consolidated militarism of Europe that the U.S. can, you know, have a huge influence over. 09:08.490 --> 09:09.170 So they kept it. 09:09.590 --> 09:16.430 And this has been a tremendous, tremendous cost on the American people ever since 1991. 09:16.430 --> 09:19.410 And, you know, we just can't get rid of this dinosaur. 09:20.870 --> 09:25.810 And Putin, you know, he's right when he says Europe has no foreign policy. 09:25.970 --> 09:27.170 They're controlled by the U.S. 09:27.210 --> 09:28.390 Why even bother with Europe? 09:29.690 --> 09:32.770 So that's the reason why this thing is still there. 09:33.230 --> 09:35.430 And it's a shame because it hurts Europe. 09:35.730 --> 09:37.510 It hurts America and it hurts the world. 09:37.950 --> 09:43.110 So, but that's the situation that we're in and we're still not able to get out of it. 09:43.110 --> 09:50.990 You know, I think this is an eye-opener for Trump because he hasn't been put down anything like this. 09:51.150 --> 09:53.170 This is going on right now. 09:54.170 --> 09:57.230 But he has good comebacks. 09:57.410 --> 09:59.710 Well, you may not need them now. 10:00.230 --> 10:01.590 We can handle it all. 10:02.710 --> 10:07.210 But his goal, I think, basically one way or the other, he wants to control. 10:07.390 --> 10:10.810 So if we didn't want him and want to get rid of it, didn't that happen? 10:10.810 --> 10:14.410 Then go ahead and start one vacant plea, do what we tell you. 10:14.790 --> 10:21.570 And then they don't respond because all we can offer is threats and money. 10:21.910 --> 10:24.010 And people will get worried about that. 10:24.090 --> 10:27.830 Even the money, you know, $25 billion means nothing. 10:27.950 --> 10:29.670 But that wasn't a week we spent that. 10:30.270 --> 10:34.110 People are realizing that the dollar isn't there forever. 10:34.770 --> 10:37.070 So this is what is up against the other. 10:37.070 --> 10:38.610 And the policies are changing. 10:39.670 --> 10:46.330 And the truth is, the American people aren't going to know exactly what's going to happen for a few more weeks, if not months. 10:47.070 --> 11:01.290 Yeah, the next thing I wanted to talk about Dr. Paul is the resistance that is necessary, you know, peaceful vocal resistance against this because government creates a mess. 11:01.610 --> 11:03.370 We go through this over and over. 11:03.370 --> 11:07.030 And then they double down, you know, they triple down. 11:07.450 --> 11:13.150 They don't stop until a public opinion is just so overwhelming. 11:13.570 --> 11:16.130 You know, we just went through COVID a few years ago. 11:16.530 --> 11:17.330 They didn't stop. 11:17.470 --> 11:21.410 They just kept piling on the stuff that, you know, was useless. 11:22.010 --> 11:27.870 They kept cranking out booster after booster after booster and people were finally, you know, we're done with all this. 11:28.190 --> 11:29.370 And that's it. 11:29.930 --> 11:31.750 So that's what we're dealing with. 11:31.750 --> 11:47.330 Now, the thing is we're talking about, again, lives that are on the line because more people have people have already died and they'll send more people to die if nobody, you know, has the courage to step up and to speak out. 11:47.370 --> 11:53.370 And that's the best that we can do as citizens is to at least speak because ideas are infectious and they spread. 11:53.670 --> 12:00.890 And this war never had public opinion in its favor from day one, which is, you know, he went in not even caring. 12:00.890 --> 12:04.850 What the American people thought knowing that we're against it. 12:05.030 --> 12:09.510 So more, more vocal is necessary. 12:09.510 --> 12:26.450 Whatever way you do it, social media, music, videos, whatever works to get the word out that this has to stop before the deaths go into the thousands and 10,000s and hundreds of thousands of governments do that routinely. 12:26.870 --> 12:29.250 They don't, you know, that's just what they do. 12:29.250 --> 12:30.310 People in power. 12:30.550 --> 12:36.010 So it's very important to speak out in whatever capacity that you're able to. 12:36.470 --> 12:37.250 Very good. 12:38.010 --> 12:40.430 You know, deep funding is an answer. 12:40.690 --> 12:51.490 You know, we just quit deep, quit spending the money and defund it and just left there that had the people in that area would have to live with them live with their neighbors and get along. 12:51.850 --> 12:55.230 But, you know, there was a lot of requests for support of this. 12:55.230 --> 12:57.430 And of course it came from Netanyahu. 12:57.710 --> 12:59.830 He would come and had free reigns. 12:59.850 --> 13:04.330 He could go to the Congress, speak on a house floor and say, this is what I need. 13:04.590 --> 13:05.010 This is what I need. 13:05.550 --> 13:09.390 But why can't he provide some help if it's so important? 13:10.190 --> 13:14.810 But of course I think the important thing for me to understand this, it didn't work. 13:14.930 --> 13:15.650 It's not working. 13:15.830 --> 13:16.590 It never works. 13:16.870 --> 13:24.970 In every place we go, you know, Johnson, LBJ, I remember so clearly, he says, I don't want to be the first president to lose a war. 13:24.970 --> 13:25.550 Guess what? 13:25.630 --> 13:26.430 We lost Vietnam. 13:27.070 --> 13:30.010 We did not win in Korea on and on. 13:30.110 --> 13:32.190 And what did we do in the Middle East? 13:32.350 --> 13:33.410 We lose that one too. 13:33.910 --> 13:35.050 And so this is the case. 13:35.610 --> 13:43.970 But and I'm glad you mentioned it about American people need to participate in this too because the people make a difference. 13:44.410 --> 13:52.070 And I watched this very carefully because, you know, I was of draft age and I did get drafted in the 60s. 13:52.070 --> 14:01.570 That the people, when they started, you know, resisting the war and the war effort here at home, and you saw thousands and thousands of people. 14:02.030 --> 14:04.210 That is finally when Congress woke up. 14:04.730 --> 14:10.310 So it's it's not it's not democracy, but it's better than a democracy we've had to live around. 14:10.510 --> 14:19.370 We live with that's the same way they COVID fiasco almost ended, you know, it was held the people got sick and tired of it. 14:19.370 --> 14:21.110 So the people have to be informed. 14:21.110 --> 14:30.110 That's why Chris, I think one of our jobs and efforts is with a program like this is trying to get people to think of these things in a little different fashion. 14:30.390 --> 14:38.170 Because I can understand the happiness with Maga and some of the things that Trump has done and there's less regulations. 14:38.650 --> 14:47.690 But we don't like to be tricked into things to say we're going to have peace and we're not going to ever start a war and that sort of thing is very frustrating. 14:47.690 --> 15:04.010 But it's something that, you know, I work on the assumption that the large majority of the American people, if they were offered a program that we might devise and devise the program that has existed for 100 years. 15:04.510 --> 15:10.270 I think that pick our programs right off the bat and it's all based on the Constitution and freedom. 15:10.270 --> 15:15.110 And it still could be used in that and you know it's simple. 15:15.270 --> 15:16.810 How do you do? How do you get the people home? 15:16.930 --> 15:24.030 You just send them home, take them home, send them a ship, give them a ticket on the airplane, bring them home and quit this bleeding. 15:24.370 --> 15:26.670 And that's what that's what they're thinking about. 15:26.730 --> 15:39.330 But I think power and money is still, you know, the final answer, even though the factions that are into the business of profiteering from weaponry and also, you know, 15:39.330 --> 15:44.050 looking for power, they're in charge, but they're not the majority. 15:44.210 --> 15:47.090 The majority is just like a day's ago is not speaking out. 15:47.470 --> 15:49.390 The majority always has to be awakened. 15:49.710 --> 15:59.510 But I think the most significant issue that ever put our people to sleep to argue and understand the argument about answering it with more liberty. 16:00.170 --> 16:03.050 And that is that has happened. 16:03.230 --> 16:05.150 I think it was the educational system. 16:05.150 --> 16:10.910 So we can't expect that we'll ever change that in the near future. 16:11.190 --> 16:14.090 The universities, they depend on the government. 16:14.250 --> 16:16.370 They'll do what the government says and we'll take away your money. 16:16.830 --> 16:19.970 You can't have this speaker or that speaker because we're going to regulate it. 16:20.190 --> 16:28.150 It's the fact that the Constitution and a free society, they're not in charge of all the universities and what they can teach. 16:28.150 --> 16:32.070 This could be is the problem. 16:32.290 --> 16:42.130 And that's why I work hard to try to spread this message either through this program or through the other things that we do. 16:42.870 --> 16:54.150 And that is the area where I'm optimistic, Chris, and I am delighted that you're right in the battle of this and would like to close out a little program today. 16:54.830 --> 16:55.790 Yes, thank you. 16:55.790 --> 17:01.970 I'll close by saying that if you want to do something else, we actually have something else coming up. 17:02.130 --> 17:04.090 And that's April 25th, Lake Jackson. 17:04.370 --> 17:05.490 We have a conference. 17:06.110 --> 17:10.550 We hold several conferences each year, one in Texas, one in Virginia. 17:10.870 --> 17:12.090 So our Texas is coming up. 17:12.490 --> 17:16.230 Dr. Paul's hometown comes see the speakers that we have lined up. 17:16.390 --> 17:17.230 I will put a link. 17:17.450 --> 17:21.330 It's not there yet in the description of the show, but I'll put a link there. 17:21.910 --> 17:24.330 If you could join us, we'd love to have you down there. 17:24.990 --> 17:25.910 Very good. 17:26.310 --> 17:37.910 And I do want to thank all the support that we get for the many people and spreading the message because our message has to be spread by individuals out there. 17:38.110 --> 17:47.350 And I'd prefer to believe the quote that I frequently use and that is, you know, you can't stop an idea whose time has come. 17:47.350 --> 17:54.370 The idea of liberty, I believe, is much stronger and getting much better embedded in our system. 17:54.670 --> 17:59.550 And it has been for a long time, although on the surface, it doesn't appear that way. 17:59.790 --> 18:03.490 But we have to be optimistic enough that ideas have consequences. 18:04.070 --> 18:09.690 And I keep thinking, well, how did the founders get the people to go along with the ideas they had? 18:09.770 --> 18:11.570 That was really radical. 18:11.570 --> 18:17.210 And I would say, well, one thing they had, they had pamphleteering. 18:17.830 --> 18:19.110 It helped a lot. 18:19.570 --> 18:22.430 I'll tell you what, we have a lot of pamphlets and spread around. 18:23.210 --> 18:36.070 And even though there's lots of questions on what happens and the negatives on the internet, I think the ability and the ability for us to use the internet and spread the message of liberty is very encouraging. 18:36.070 --> 18:42.530 I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to the Liberty Report. 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