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Right, you know Ray Youssef is a cryptocurrency pioneer now. He was
speaking at Monero topia, which was like a
the week before right before
a narco poco in Puerto Vallarta for 26 now we got there I
Think Friday or Saturday and that was right when the Monero Monero topio was
Topia was finishing up. You know Aaron day was down there. He's a good friend and
He's participating. Oh, whoa
They arrested yay Youssef now. Am I saying it right Youssef?
Ray are you why Youssef you're saying correctly
What did I say? I just say Ray?
Oh
No, I'm sorry. No, I said Ray
Sure, I not that I've met you know now you do you but the point is is that you got arrested at
Monero topia
After you spoke so I mean I'm thinking I'm going
Okay
They wanted to rest you one. They do it in Mexico
It was US authorities, right?
Or was it Mexican authority?
It was Mexican authorities. So I'll tell you the story. So I get a page of Monero topia
Well first before let's go ahead and introduce, you know
Where you are in the ecosphere because this is
We're getting a lot of this going to say no the crypto war is over and you know, we love everybody
It's Trump administration, you know, my my sons are they're getting rich wait wait wait your competition
No, we can't have that so I need to know what the hell is going on now
I was at the Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas this last August when
Ross Ulbricht, you know got out of jail and did his
obligatory, you know, thank you Trump thing and it was
It was interesting I saw an entirely different shift in the Bitcoin
Ecosphere and it went towards
Michael Saylor everybody sell your children and buy more Bitcoin so I get rich and something, you know
And it wasn't a peer-to-peer thing. It has been this ecosystem of petrodollars go on or they're gonna convert it and tokenize it
Something I have no idea, but it's not what the origination was for crypto
The original idea was a peer-to-peer digital digital cash cash thing
And that got abandoned and now it's Goldman sucks dot gov coin
So anybody that's counter to that or out did or complaining about it or demonstrating an off-ramp, you know
They're like, oh, no, no, no, you'll come explain it to you
And I remember when I was at Charlie Shrem, you know got arrested and he was working with
Eric Voorhees and Eric on and we did the
Was it Ben Inston or something? It was you know, we
closed the loop by
Then I wired him money from the bank
Went into my account. I went to a precious metals dealer in Scottsdale, Arizona is working with us goes
Yep, I'll take Bitcoin got silver close the loop. You can go cash to crypto to silver
Boom the man it they didn't like that none too much
During all the compliance stuff. They were spending eight thousand dollars a day on attorneys trying to figure out
Because the government didn't know how they wanted to classify it yet. Yeah, we know you're breaking a law
We just got to figure out one that you're breaking or make one. So this has been an attack on you guys for
Something where did you come in to pick before we get to your rest?
Why you're arrested? Do you think where was your space?
When did you start with crypto? Which one what projects give us a sense of why you're targeted go?
So they call me the king of peer-to-peer and peer-to-peer is very special because peer-to-peer is
The epitome of peer-to-peer electronic cash
I'm the guy that actually got Bitcoin to Africa and to the global South as a whole now
That was very challenging because I saw that in your thing. You know global South. What does that mean?
That means the world aside from the West meaning Africa Latin America South
Etc places outside of the Golden Circle of Western finance
Which are the places that actually need Bitcoin and financial liberation?
More than anywhere else was money works here in the West right in America
You can send money from New York to New Jersey in Africa
There's 54 nations none of the banks talk to each other
So you can't even send money to the country next door in fact in places like Africa
We all know it's expensive to send money from the West like Europe or America to Africa
It costs 20 to 30 percent
But to send money within Africa to countries that are right next door to each other like from Nigeria to Ghana
Costs about three times more than it does to send it from outside the country into Africa
That was insane when I first learned that and I was like wow these people really need the promise of Bitcoin
So essentially what peer-to-peer is is what you what you described with bit instant Charlie Shrem's company
You send some money to a bank account. He gives you crypto you turn it to get the silver or gold
Silver or gold in that sense was a payment method. I took that same system and I extended it out
literally five hundred different payment methods five hundred meaning people could
Send
Mobile money
You know from every wallet in Africa every person in Africa
98% of them have an M-pace account in Kenya for example only 2% of a bank counts like a mobile wallet
I showed people how they could do that and turn that into crypto
So it could use bank accounts. It uses mobile money accounts. You use cash. You could use gift cards
Literally 500 methods of payments. So I extended it out to literally every method of payment in the world
And I did it in a very novel way where they were not buying Bitcoin or any form of crypto for me
But rather they were buying it from each other
So it was just an escrow service and I connected people together for example I
Had a friend who lived in Berlin. She was Kenyan and she wanted she'll always send
1,000 euros to her sister living in Nairobi in Kenya every two weeks
She would pay about 20% to a Western Union for that privilege and her sister would have to go there to the office
Wait online. It would take two days to clear to Western Union. She had to pick up the cash
And she paid 20% for that and her sister got a lot less money was of the official exchange rate in Kenya
The black market price for the Kenyan shilling is about 20%
Worse of the official price in the black market. So she got 20% less money. That's another tax
So I told my friend her name was Vicky. I said, okay
Does your sister have an M-Pesa account? She's like, of course. She has an M-Pesa account, you know, all Kenyans have that
And I said, okay, give me her phone number
And then I went to my platform who's called Paxful and I did a search
Is there anyone in Kenya that wants to buy Bitcoin for mobile money like M-Pesa?
There were many listings the guy at the top
He was a brother living in Mombasa. It's like a Miami of Kenya
He was offering 4% overmarket price for the Bitcoin was because it's scarce in Africa
People are willing to pay more for it because he knows you can sell it and get more to someone locally
So I started a trade with him. I gave him my friend's number
You know 20 seconds later my friend is like, oh my sister just texted me. She got this money
She's wondering where it's from. I sold a hundred euros
worth of Bitcoin to this guy and her sister got a hundred and four euros worth of Kenyans fillings
Instantly on her mobile phone, which you can spend right away
And I told my friend, let me let me go ahead and ask some questions right there
In Pasa, I remember when this is I don't know decade or more ago. It was a
you could
Buy and sell and trade
Sell minutes. That's what I'm talking about, right? So I remember when this is happening how it came to my attention
Kenya if something like
40% of their transaction or monetary exchange or whatever was in
Bitcoin or no in Pasa, which was a
You go to your carrier. It's like you have your Verizon or AT&T or whatever here and
You would sell or buy
Cell phone minutes, they would do it by minutes, you know, it's got a gift card whatever they're trading cell phone minutes
How many cell phone minutes is that egg?
How many cell phone minutes do I get to sell you, you know my car?
I mean whatever it was they were trading in cell phone minutes and when that happened
I'm go ho ho ho. Here we go now in Pasa because they made this available to people with
slip-bones or whatever
As long as it could tax or something they could go back. He had a phone number
It would go back and forth now one of the things a lot of people don't know that
Interesting for this conversation. This is something that we learned from
Eric Voorhees when he did out of Panama. There was a before he did
His exchange it was I can't remember what he called it, but it was made
So if you didn't have a smartphone, you could trade
digitally with your flip phone just with texting or whatever so he set this up had to be like what you're doing you had to be a
Go between an escrow account a broker or something, you know to be able to do this
The thing is is that those little no key of flip phones or small phones or whatever that was capable of doing this was
Billion or billions. I mean it was ridiculous a number of these phones and of course throughout Africa
This is how they communicated and they were becoming their own banks
Well, the man didn't like that none too much and in fact Eric was on the show talking about what I think he had to
$60,000 fine. They
Arrest Charlie whatever so he went to Panama to do this and then you know stuff happen
I mean the man has been chasing
Anybody like you with an idea to be of service and cut out Western Union's 10 20% and it is
Ridiculous they're called remittances you can send money to you know a lot of people come here to America from
Mexico Central South America and then they're the breadwinner. They're sending back money to their families
This is why a lot of these countries want the immigration because one of their biggest inflows of cash is coming from the people working in America
So this transaction fee is ridiculous when Bitcoin first came on everything. It's pennies, you know, I mean now
Depends on the week, but you know it was very inexpensive to send money
Exactly what Ray is talking about
So I wanted people to understand in Pasa was a window into the financial system and a mechanism by which you could offer this
You know through their phone number. So I just wanted to get that out there. All right, Ray. So
She gets it. She's like what up with that and then what happened?
Well, then she started her own business she cut out Western Union completely
She almost started sending through this method through peer-to-peer and then she actually started offering a service like Western Union
To her other school teacher friends also from Kenya and instead of charging them, you know, 20%
You know, she charged them 5% four times less and she made 5% from them
Plus 5% for 4% from the exchange rate on my platform
so she made 9% profit her friends saved four times as much money and
Their family members back in Kenya got 20% more. So everyone won except Western Union. That's how powerful
And
Where were you at when that was going on I
Was you know, so I was originally started the business in New York and
2015 I've been in cryptos 2011 and I started in New York, but then they passed the
Sorry, what was it called again the the Bitcoin and bill the Bitcoin act the bit the bit license the bit license
And they said you needed a license
To operate a Bitcoin business in New York. So I was like, okay. Well, you know
The guy I was working with at that point was from Europe is Tonya. So I said, okay, either we go to New Jersey or California
And he's like, oh, I know some cheap programmers in Europe. So we went over there
So I was you know, I was traveling around the world doing this. I was living in Europe and
I was
You know working traveling to Africa often
But as soon as I could in 2018, I
Actually went back to New York and set up a whole office with a huge compliance program
It was like 88 people out of a company of 300 our compliance our company was like one-third of our company was compliance
It was there was no budget on it. We had an amazing compliance program. We were leading the entire industry
Because you know, I am American. I grew up here. I believed in the American dream and I knew peer-to-peer
You know, I knew Uncle Sam would have questions about that
But I thought if we have the best compliance program and lead the industry
We can prove that this is a good safe business. I never lost anyone's money
And we can show the world that this is actually helping people and we can be compliant and I thought that would be enough I
Was wrong because I'll tell you
Uncle Sam doesn't care if you're you know stealing billions of dollars from people with your shit coin
He doesn't care about robbing retail. You can do that all day
But the moment you actually try to help poor people
Especially in places like Africa game financial independence and use their money and simulate actual commercial activity
That's when the hammer comes down
now
This is at the same time that bit instant was doing they're trying to their compliance, right? You're around that period now when they did the
the Bitcoin license thing we were
involved in that you know in the middle of that and everything and
It was because there was a guy was his name chewy or something. I can't it was um, he was a guy that
Got Bitcoin
Be able to buy
Cell phone minutes cheaper. It's always a cell phone minute thing. You know the poverty
You know people on the lowest rung of the ladder. They got a phone
Okay, I mean they're they're interfacing doing business with their phone
And he realized that you could buy get a discount on it whatever at these bodegas these little
you know markets are all around in New York there and
You know that was he goes. Oh, man. This is working out great. We're you know selling and we're gonna
Get the license like you said. Oh, they got a license. That could be legal. Okay. Absolutely. Let's go get that license
No, no, no, no, no, the people that did the license all of a sudden they leave and go work for some crypto company
They sell out and go and do whatever and while they're sitting there smiling going. Yeah, we love you long time
They're setting you up for an arrest. Okay. This was amazing to see how corrupt
It is when you start getting into the dollar and banking
So your realization you're going in. Okay, there's lights. You know what form I got to fill out
I'm not a form filler outer. Yeah, I check the box. I totally agree to you come arrest me
Okay, so this is you started this process
With you know, I'm gonna be compliant. We got a bunch of compliant guys being compliant like filling out forms compliant
Was there really a license and what was the license for to get you on a list so they can get you in violation of something?
that that
license that they created it was New York Department of
You know
You're not allowed to
Compete, you know, whatever it was. So that experience right there that process
Was there why it wasn't for to get your license and you do what you wanted to do. It was for something else. What was it?
Yeah, it was all basically a honeypot, you know, and we didn't just try to get a license in one state like New York
We reached out to every single of the 51 states and said what do we have to do get a money transmitter license?
30 of the state said oh for this business model
You don't need a license because you've got a semi custodial wallet
You never actually sell the Bitcoin. You're connecting with other people. So you don't and we don't consider Bitcoin actual currency
It's a commodity which was the official stance of the US government at that time
So 30 sets states that you don't need one the other 20 said, okay, we'll give you a license if you want one
So we got a license from them. So we did the absolute most we could even in 2015 when we first started the business
We actually applied for a fin-send license. We were two homeless guys at that point
I was basically homeless before I started the company and I couldn't afford anything
But I still declared myself to fin-send to the federal government
Just because I want to show them we weren't trying to hide. We don't know what we're doing over here
We don't know what their requirements are, but here we are, you know, we put our name on the list
That's how much we try to overly comply
Anyway, we possibly could even though no one knew what compliance was then and then we got 20 money transmitter license
And then guess what happened
In 2019
The DOJ comes knocking at our door and it was a serious case
They were coming at us with absolutely everything. They literally thought that this business only existed to longer money and do horrible things
You know from my you know, we force we hired some great lawyers and they were telling me hey, man
This is a bad case. These guys are ready to come in with windbreakers and shut the whole thing down
For what our average transaction back then was literally two dollars and fifty cents worth of big
two laws and fifty cents and
Like why do they want to come at us for this?
So I actually went to Washington and got in front of all of these, you know investigators and
Told them what our business model was, you know, it was just me nothing to hide coming there
And they came in with everything they said what is this?
$200,000 you sent to a bank account in Egypt
Where does this money go? This is a huge chunk of money
And they read out the name and I said yes officer. That's my mother
There's any crime here is because I didn't send my mother enough money. She gave birth to me after all
It was a gift to my mother. I paid taxes on this money
I've every legal light to give my mother money. They were like, oh
Okay
And just one silly example of you know the general tone at the time
They literally were treating us like we were the Senate lower cartel
And we were just a bunch of guys trying to bring well they get their cut from the Senate lower cartel
That's okay. Where's their cut? You're not getting them a cut
I was just paying taxes, but yeah, but honestly even if they got their cut
In this case this kind of business is worse to them than drugs because you're actually helping people in places like Africa
Use their money which uncle sam has worked very hard to make sure that it never happens
Because think about it. How can Africa with all its natural resources?
Evolve if you can't if it imagine how rich America would be would it be a rich country if you couldn't send money from new york to new jersey
That's the situation in Africa. That's the way uncle sam wants to keep it
I began to realize this slowly that there was really no hope to bring uncle sam over here because peer-to-peer
Really was the enemy. It's it's the it's the one business in this space that they feared the most
But it was actually the one business that was turning bitcoin
Into actual peer-to-peer electronic cash
In the places that you know the u.s. Government and all these western governments really want to see poor forever
They don't want any advancement there. They want those starving
African babies with those big extended bellies and the flies coming around they want that to continue
And here was this guy who was homeless who got no funding from anyone
actually made it work
meaning I solved two huge problems
Not me but through the grace of god
Was that truly believe I wasn't just lucky. I was blessed
Uh, I actually did two things the first thing I managed to do was to get bitcoin into places in the global south like africa
Which is extremely difficult because it's so hard to get money out of those places
So how are the africans going to pay from the bitcoin from somebody in america europe or china?
I figured out a hack to do that and it was with gift cards
gift cards are the world's first digital bearer instrument
And you know people here in america were sending money over to africa using western union
And I told them, okay
You could do it that way, but you could also just go to the drug store
Take that cash and buy an amazon gift card for a hundred bucks
And you can literally sell it to someone on my platform
And they'll take that you could give them that gift card
You know you could just send the gift card to your your relative in nigeria the code on the back
Send them the copy of the code on the back. They picture the back of the gift card
And then those africans in nigeria or rugano or kenya or south africa
They used my platform and sold that gift card to someone in china
Got bitcoin and then they could take that bitcoin and sell it for a profit
To someone to their neighbor and they get a bank transfer
So it did the same job as western union, but it was instant and they got more money
Even if they gave
The even if the the fellow in africa gave the guy in china a 50 discount on a hundred dollar amazon gift card
They would still make money
Because here's the scam part of it
The official price of naira. This is the nigerian currency in nigeria in the central bank is 50 lower than it is on the black market
Meaning the central bank basically of nigeria will take 50 percent of people's money
Anyway, if it comes to western union
But with a gift card even if you give 50 percent away
You'll get the same amount of naira local currency and you can take the bitcoin
You get it instantly and sell it for a 10 or 20 percent profit
So they made more money than ever before and using gift cards. We actually managed to get
Literally millions of dollars of bitcoin to flow into africa
That was a hack that we used that you know the people of africa really figured out and
Uncle sam never thought it would happen. They never thought we could actually get crypto to places like africa
They thought they wouldn't ever be able to figure it out
But all of a sudden africa blows up and literally becomes the number like the biggest in nigeria became the number one
Cryptocurrency adoption nation in the entire world and I was a because they had a peer-to-peer
mechanism with the impasse and the phone cell minute thing
You open that up and I saw that when it said I remember this
This is a decade or more ago and it goes can just transactions
Like some ridiculous amount like half was done in these cell phone minutes with their football. I'm going
Well, that's over for the banks now. You know, here we go. There was a
Roger veer made a big deal that we used it quite a bit there for a while. It was um
You go on to get a discount and you were
Trading for amazon money. What was that platform? I can't remember the name of it
Oh, yes, uh, my friend, uh, Andrew V ran that platform. It was called uh
Ours is
Skipping my mind. I know it's mine too. I said I used it a bunch. I can't remember
But what it did is you would go on and you go to amazon
You would make a wish list
You go, I want this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this
Then you send that link on this platform and it'd start off at a 15 discount right off the bat
You know, and then you could move it up to 20 30 40 percent and you get ridiculous about it
And sit there and I first time I did I go, okay
All right, I got some time here. It was my wife's birthday and I wanted to get her
She was in the painting at the bar wine thing with her friends or whatever
So I got her an easel all kinds of different paints
She only had the whole thing and it was like out of $500 or something
Well, I could get it for like 350
If I was willing to wait until somebody bit on my bitcoin
So I go in send the wish list
They take it and anybody out there in the universe around the planet a lot of their
coders or
Code monkeys or you know, whoever's doing data whatever working for amazon
Something they get in the developing world and they pay them in amazon money for whatever tax
See, they could do it. You're not allowed to do it. They can do it, you know
So amazon they did this these people got you know 15
You know
iPad twos or wherever they don't need any more crap. They want cash. They want to pay rent
So what they would do is they go, all right
I will go ahead and free shipping amazon prime
I take your wish list and pay for it with my amazon money when it gets delivered
You got 24 hours automatically goes or you can send it to me and I
Some of these guys go, hey man, I show it got delivered. I need my bitcoin like five minutes from now man
What the hell so it was and if you didn't have it automatically go anyway, but they want it quick
So what happened you make the wish list?
Somebody in Nairobi would get it go. Okay. Here's amazon money free shipping and show up at your door
Boom. It released the bitcoin. They got paid in bitcoin
Purse though. It's called purse
Purse
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was bugging the crap out of me. Okay
So purse was the exchange that you would give bitcoin that became very liquid
They could turn it into cash do like what Ray's talking about
But they were taking their amazon money that they didn't need any more
Smartphones or something electronics or whatever and they wanted cash
So you would get like a 15 at least
percent discount on your entire wish list for them to
Use their amazon money to send you stuff that you got at a discount. They got bitcoin everybody's happy
Except dumb man, okay
There was another one that was called jazz or something like that and it was micro loans
There would be someone in india bangladesh of something that for my world would change if I only had 89 dollars and 13 cents
To buy some widget thing to fix bicycles or something, you know
So that might as well have been a billion dollars to them
But to us you go all right, we're rich americans here
I'll give you a hundred dollars here 200 dollars there $50 there all these micro loans that would go out and pay
You know 10 20 percent or something like that and you'd had something to go bad
They whatever so you don't lend to them anymore. Well, people are so industrious. They would take that little bit of money
In africa in india
You know in in malaysia
And they would start a business do a thing or whatever and you were making a lot of money on these micro loans
Well, they definitely didn't like that. Okay, so when I say this and we talk about this
They didn't let date date date they them those
There are those just want to be left alone and those that just won't leave alone
That's who they them those are they won't leave us alone
Be more specific for me ray
Who are they them those from the beginning of this as you saw purse as you saw, you know
Were he's staying with the phones as impassive with what you were doing all this
Who's putting the
3x5 card index in the inbox of the guy with a gun come visit you who's doing that who's driving this opposition
Well officially was the department of justice the doj. Those are the guys that they would you know sick on people trying to build things
But of course, it's you know, it's this has been policy for a long time operation choke point 1.0
Then 2.0 3.0
This is something that the u.s. Government, you know considers you a policy and where does it come from?
It comes from the people that control the banking system
They say this is competition. It comes from the people that are
Using corporations to harvest uh, africa for this resources while keeping its people enslaved and making sure they have no financial method
To use trade to enrich themselves
It really is
You know these people the economic hit men work for them the real hit men work for them and the doj works for them
These are the people that control the financial infrastructure of the world
You can pin it on however you want. You can say it's the rabbinical jews. You can say it's the freemasons. You can say it's the
Illuminati, you can say it's the you know giant reptiles, but it's clearly the financial
Yeah
We all know who's doing this but they're doing this they control the u.s. Government. They can get us into wars
and they're very very very
Very careful
And very defensive about anyone encroaching on the financial pillar of control
Because there's three pillars of control that these people have
There's the financial pillar
The monetary pillar and the media pillar. This is where their power comes from
The financial is what you do with the money the monetary is the money itself
Meaning the u.s. Petrodollar and the media we all know what that is
They control these three things
Bitcoin was very dangerous for them because bitcoin represented its own version of the financial pillar meaning the rails
And the monetary pillar was also a new form of money
It was those two pillars in one and they saw that and they said oh my god
We got to make sure
You know this never spread their main thing was we have to make sure that this never spreads to africa and the global
South because if they start using this
They're basically going to be able to do what more more gadafi wanted to do
and we're fucked
And they thought I had no problem, you know, it'll just the africans will never get it
It'll just be americans, maybe chinese and europeans using it and using it for speculation and you know stuff like that
We'll make sure that happens and they were like oh pretty confident that until you know one homeless guy in new york
That was me at the time
Was blessed by god and actually managed to get to africa
Talk to the people pure grassroots effort. No funding purely bootstrapped and actually
Made it happen solve the challenge of getting the cryptocurrency into the global south
And managed to onboard 13 million people into this peer-to-peer system. Oh my god
This was their worst nightmare. They didn't think this would ever they thought all minute this ever does happen
At least our financiers our vcs will control this guy
but no
They didn't
They never expected this to happen
And once they saw it happen, they were like, well, we got to take this guy down bring this boy in right now
Huh, and that's what they did. They came at us real hard for eight years. I was dealing with the doj
And then eventually I realized you know what no matter what we do
But like literally one-third of the company's compliance. I came back to york to start a whole huge office here to do this
Got the best attorneys we possibly could
No matter what
We do we had the best compliance record in the industry we kyc'd everyone
We even started kyc people in africa that didn't have IDs. We found a way to do that
But even that didn't please the man
And I said, okay, you know what it's time to shut this thing down. I actually tried to shut the company down
And my idiot co-founder sued me because he didn't want to shut the company down. He was dreaming of his, you know, 100 million dollar exit
And you know the whole thing, you know, eventually, you know, it's been shut down now by the doj
And I told everyone that would happen
But we did I did everything in my power to be as compliant as possible
Even trying to shut the company down getting sued by my co-founder because I was trying to do that
And they still came after me, you know
My lawyer was in touch with them for five years my personal defense lawyer
And they told they basically came to him because they had no case against me whatsoever and the statue of limitations had already expired
It was in 2018. We started our program. That's, you know, that's a long time. It's like seven years ago
Stature limitations is like three years past due
And they came to my attorney said, what will this guy plead to and he's like nothing
He didn't do anything wrong and the statue is already expired. So he's not going to plead to anything not a misdemeanor or nothing
He's not a criminal. He has no criminal record. He tried to do the right thing
I mean, come on
So what did they do?
I was living in dubai at the time
They basically indicted me in secret last year in december
And I was going to minaretopia the second time I was there
I was giving another president speech there. So I go to mexico go to mexico city
I get up there
And I actually I was supposed to speak three hours later
But I actually got up there three hours earlier and I spoke and I give a fiery speech just like maca max
Right like his last great speech in chiro
The one they got him killed by the way
It was on fire, man, and I called out everybody was very spiritual
Which they really don't like and I called out all the bad guys. I'm very outspoken about anti-war and anti-genocide
I call out the culprits. They really don't like that
And I got off stage and was like, wow, man, they're gonna come at you for sure, bro
Yes, and I was like, well, we'll see I'm gonna go out and get some tacos. Excuse me. So I go
I literally walk
Half a block out of the show
20 Mexican federales from the
20
That's like the fbi of mexico surround me
And they basically take me in
And you know eight hours. I don't know what's going on. I'm none of them speak english
They put me on a plane with two
officers all mexicans
To lax from mexico city
I get off the plane. They're calling my name
Two federal marshals are there handcuff me
Arrest me throw me in santa anna county prison for the night
My cellmate is doing 25 to life
For moving two and a half tons of cocaine and crystal meth
And he turns to me and he goes, so what are you in for?
I'm like, well, sir
I'm in for the one unforgivable crime
Helping poor black and brown people use their money fairly
And honestly without restrictions
And look at me and he's like
Oh, okay
So the whole plan
Was to
They actually managed to
Exordite me without paperwork in mexico by bribing the mexicans
I don't know if that's legal. It's probably not but they were that they wanted me that badly
And their plan was to get me thrown into sacramento federal prison
Which is one of the worst prisons in america and keep me there detained was the next day
I appeared before a federate magistrate a federal magistrate
in
in california
And they were pushing to keep me detained for the duration of the trial which could be years literally two or three years
And that was their whole plan
Because they had no case at all their statute of limitations that expired
And once I once we by a miracle of god, you know, the judge said to the sky
He's not a flight risk. He doesn't have his passport. They got me up the street with no passport
He's not going to run to mexico because he just got deported from there
We'll put an ankle bracelet on him. But then come on, you know, this is ridiculous. Why are you guys trying to
Throw this guy in jail. There's no criminal record. You don't understand. So they let me free and I said, okay
I'm here in new york now
What their whole plan was to break me in that jail until I'd be desperate to take whatever they could
Yeah, if you only sign here and agree to then we'll uh, you know, and you can go home to right here
Here's a pen
Right. Exactly. Exactly
And I've done nothing wrong and I'm willing to fight this out in court to the very end
I don't want to give the u.s. Government any money either was just going to go to blow up more babies and that would be a sin
So I'm one of those guys
I'm the type of guy they really don't like because I actually managed to move the streets of the global south to adopt peer-to-peer
Okay, you keep saying global south. What you mean is not western
Modern banking system of whatever, you know outside of the global south outside of europe and america outside of the golden circle of western finance
That works quite well for us. We're maybe not that well these days, but it still works
And that's where you know at the global south africa latin america southeast aja
Those are the places they're really afraid of adopting a new financial standard like of all of those places adopted bitcoin
And use it as a clearing layer for the world
Then they have some real competition then the nightmare of what was mom or kodafi was trying to do
Would be everywhere and they wouldn't be able to stop it
Okay, you mentioned kodafi before just so the audience kind of gets an idea of your reference
Um kodafi in libya was going we need to go to a gold-backed in our which was you know
Islamic religious requirement hell even you know
Talmud and the biome, you know
real money kind of thing
And when he threatened to do that africa is going to be it's africa
africa and not the colonial power kick them out and nationalize them to africa and gold back money
boom
You're dead. Okay. That that was you know, what tripped it because they had oil money
They were you know, i'm a river to my people, you know, and he had all kinds of aqueduct
You know libya was uh going concerned as was aran, you know back in the day
And this is any competition with their system certainly financial
You're so not allowed when saddam hussein got targeted after you know, it was you know
A bunch of saudis no some whoever the hell what inside job what what the hell did iraq have to do with it?
What happened was is saddam was um, you know
Yeah, we're going to be trading and other than the petro dot. They're invaded
Same thing with aran. They opened up an oil force, which is like a
That's french for purse or something. It's like a stock exchange
And I remember when india a decade ago or something
Bought oil from aran for 200 million dollars in gold
When they do this kind of outside of their system
Hell no, so what did they do they start doing sanctions?
They start going after russia's money and so on. Oh, yeah, okay
Well, I just gave more fuel and fire to bricks. Well bricks. It's going to be go back one
It's going to be it's going to be because of their policies
They are driving
People towards people like ray
They're going man. There's got to be some other kind of system a system a some system
There is it's called crypto and they use it, you know the banking use that's what ripples all about
You know, it's not really matter what the you know the
I guess it was like the first usd coin kind of whatever it was
Crypto that the banks have been using they didn't want you to do it
So now that you got this but there's a long time
Before between from the time you were in new york wanting to comply
And the time that they go get you in mexico
And you were just like i'm out of here
What were they charging you with and then the
Statue limitation goes again. They just needed ray because you are speaking that, you know manerotopia and they had to
You know send a message to somebody because manerotopia was about this
Manero is a privacy coin that building the community of they can't stop it
Oh, yeah, we can we'll give a gazillion dollar reward to anybody that can hack manerot
They don't like it. So the fact that you were speaking there or they knew you were going to be there
Why did they go after ray use it? I I want to know why there was something
They they want to send a message. They wanted to punish you. They wanted you to turn
What was their reasoning?
If for exactly what you said look i'm the guy that brought peer-to-peer to the global south
That's the number one threat for them. They don't care if you create your own shit coin and steal five million dollars from retail
They don't care, you know
You collapse your exchange or run away with all the money like whatever, but if you're actually successful
In getting peer-to-peer electronic cash to the masses
That is your public enemy number one and they never thought someone would be able to do it
Especially not with any of their money
So they didn't really care that I was trying to comply to the best of my ability and I was actually successful in doing so
And i'm outspoken with privacy coins and i'm outspoken. I speak about things like gaza and i'm anti-war and I call out these bankers
They really don't like me. My heroes are guys like maca max
My heroes are guys that fought for their people whether they're white black brown or whatever they are
Crypto not bombs. Yeah, basically rey usef was the most dangerous man in crypto
And I keep a low profile. I was in time magazine 100 most influential companies, you know by america god
They recognize what we did, but we did a lot in bitcoin. I and you know
Everyone in crypto they're all let's be honest most people in crypto are a bunch of douchebags driving lamborghini's that they built off robbing people
I was the guy that took my lambo money
And what did I do with my lambo money?
I built schools all over the world in africa alone
I built 12 schools for 400 children each complete with water distribution centers everything
I drive a mini coupe. I never lost anyone's money. I'm a very religious and pious person. I live a very simple life
Someone like me is extremely dangerous to the system in many ways. I'm spiritually dangerous. I'm politically dangerous
Financially extremely dangerous and that's threat number one. So, yeah
They're trying to make an example out of me. They're trying to get me thrown in prison
And the statute of limitations did expire
So guess while they held it together these past three years
This this is what you know was the fifth charge all the four charges were unlicensed money transmitter business
You know, oh no because we had a money transmitter license
They said that I was
running a conspiracy
to under comply
How can you inspire not to do something as ridiculous as that is, you know, it's ridiculous to look at the evidence
They held it all together and so the statute is still going because
in 2022 in december
One of our agents
Bought 232 dollars worth of bitcoin from this company and sent it to a site
Where the women were posting up escort ads. So the conspiracy is still ongoing
232 dollars worth of bitcoin bought by one of their agents
Used on a website. They never charged anyone with anything for
And they claim the conspiracy to not comply is still going because he managed to do that like
As my attorney said he never heard anything like that in his life. Yes, it's as absurd as it sounds
Okay, so this we're learning from your experience that and many others I've been covering this stuff for you know
I just turned 65
in the march
So I made it the retirement kind of you know, so well government wants to give me money and everything
But I got to fill out forms. I think I'll decline. So this is a
The reason I say that is because I've been an activist since I was in my late 20s, you know
Like 88 or something. I've started to become aware of what that could be for the internet
You had to actually go to the library and read something, you know
And it was it was it was so obvious
What we were up against we were up against I explain to my kids, you know, dad, what are you, you know, and I go
pointy horn
blood dripping pointy fang
Pointy tail people. That's what we're up against. Okay. These are evil people. They have no
Conscience, no empathy. They're sociopath cycle. I didn't know what the hell that meant. They're like a decade ago and I go
That's what's wrong with these people
They're sociopaths. They literally do not have empathy for their fight. They don't care
They will do any and everything to maintain their position to be the familiars for the vampires sucking off humanity
You know, they go, oh pick me pick me. I'll be your your old Soros
County attorney. I mean, you know, whatever. So this is
Obvious what was happening. It was a spiritual battle between good and evil people
Those that wanted to do good
Serve humanity. Oh my god. I might you know make some money or at least enough to keep it going that we could
I feel better about myself about my
Lincoln humanity about the planet about people in general faith
In humanity and they will rise to the occasion given the opportunity
You prove that
They didn't want it proved
Okay, you know, I'm the evolution guy, man. I know exactly what's going on. So the thing is is that this has been
another example
Of them making an example
But it starts to backfire
Are you feeling the backfire? I mean, what is it that your case is going to
Demonstrate because it's like with the rant
We're just not giving up. Well, we're gonna beat the crap. Yeah, but we're not giving up
We're
Persian culture has been here for thousands and thousands of years and you guys could suck it. You're just a you know
Fleece on the dog arguing over who controls the dog. I mean, you know, the people out here are doing
What you gave them the opportunity to do
The inspiration like you keep referencing Malcolm X or something like that. I'm
That's what you represent
Where are you in your legal case now?
What do you anticipate happening? How have they mapped this out because whenever I have these kinds of things
We're gonna drag this I go you drag it out all you want because the longer you can drag it out the more people get
Edumacated I'm I'm all over that
So are you using this case to educate like coming on here to do
share something
Where is their case is are they making a case? Are they getting something they want today?
They scare everybody or they highlight and some of the things. I mean, where is the case now?
Yes, they really don't have a case, you know, they have it's a joke is they have a the statute of
Statute of limitations has already expired on those four charges
What would that be even try to even if the statute didn't expire?
We're very confident we could prove in court that there certainly was no conspiracy to not comply
Uh, but the statute did expire and them holding together with 230 euros with a bitcoin that was used for nothing is ridiculous in of itself
So they're really just trying to cause maximum pain. They know they can't win
They're like parasites. They just want to make everyone suffer as much as possible
They're hoping I'll take some, you know plea and you know
Admit to a felony and pay some fine or serve a little jail time. I'm not gonna do any of that
I'm not giving them any money. I'm not gonna, you know, plead to anything because I've done nothing wrong
So I'm going to use this as a platform to educate people that the war against crypto is not over. No
No, it's been going strong in the shadows. It's going even stronger
Now there's nine people roman storm roman 2 iron freeman all these brothers
You know, think about trump sent a memo a message to everyone say hey crypto
You're all right right now and the second in command of doj sent a memo his name was blanche. It was called the blanche memo
it said hey
no more
Regulation through prosecution
Enough of that. We're trying to get some money from these guys from the midterms, you know, so don't make us look bad
And my attorney said hey look at this memo. This case should be gone. They didn't want to cancel the case
They wanted to keep going
Even though they have no case
So we're going to try to get this missed
There's definitely grounds to do that. They should never have gotten the indictment in the beginning
My attorney even wonders how they got it, but you know, these guys can indict a ham sandwich, honestly
Yeah, but who who who is this pam bondy stuff? Is it
You know, it's doj. Well, I mean you got attorney general, you know, she she doesn't have some kind of control
somebody gave her a
You know
Index card saying ray go get them
You know or allow it or something
Well, one of the best things we can do for this case is bring as much media attention to it as possible
Is my attorney has a feeling that they don't want the higher ups doj to know this case is happening
But it's probably the hardest case they've ever gone up
Not only has the statute expired on charges that were very ridiculous
We're trying to hold it together
With 232 bucks worth of bitcoin for doing nothing by one of their agents is even more ridiculous
So making noise about this is good
But I'm willing to fight it out to the very end. I'm not going to take any bargains from these guys
They want to try to bankrupt me. I'm not going to be bankrupt
I you know, I haven't spent my money on stupid things
I can afford to actually go to a court with them and I will because
It's a matter not just of my own personal honor, but it's a matter of education people have to understand that
You know when it comes, you know, of course, you know, the government wants their cut out of everything
They want their cut out of the drug business and the oil business and this and that
But when it comes to financial independence
In the global south, there's no tolerance for that at all
It's not like oh, they want to control that and get their cut. No, they don't want that to happen at all
Because they know what happens the moment Africans and all of these black and brown people can just start trading with each other
Making payments
They're gonna get rich
They're gonna get rich real fast
And it's gonna be a runaway train and they're not gonna be able to just suck the resources out of that country
And use them as slave labor and when I came to understand that
Then everything dawned on me right this I can't win this battle. I you know, so I said, you know, the mistakes I made
I should never should have served Americans
At all should just stay away from the American market. I never should have started the company in America in Delaware
The American dream doesn't apply to people like me
And I really chose the wrong co-founder because they managed to get my co-founder who was an idiot, you know
To admit to he actually played guilty and he had done some bad things
Uh, and but I still don't know why he played guilty and they're gonna use him to make up a story against me
I have no idea what this guy's gonna say
But all the evidence is in my favor. The truth is in my favor. So I'm gonna take the opportunity
Nothing they delayed his sentencing
Hoping they would get me and use him against me. So he hasn't gotten any punishment yet
And that's the whole thing that should have been the clue to me that they were still trying to come after me
But I never thought they would just nab me in Mexico without any due process at all
but we know
What makes us I you know, I really believed in the American dream because I thought hey what makes this difference
We do things by the book. There's a rule of law
But now they don't care about any of that. It was operate like youngsters. So I was wrong
They're a gang with a flag. That's just you know, there's not a difference. This is um
Yeah, I'm with you brother. We we can do what we can to help here
But we've been working with um, you know a lot of the guys, you know, like even when we were in
Vegas bitcoin conference where uh, james bab is a good friend a lot of us were passing out cars
You know cards that said, you know, is the crypto war over? Okay. Well, Ian freemen
You know and a whole list of guys like four or five guys
They just keep making a longer list
And as you know Ross over it got out
But they put a bunch of you guys in you know, they they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
We got to really send the message now if you don't let ross out so libertarians will vote for trump
Well, we got a we got to counter that with a bunch of rays out there, you know
The wanted sign so this is a psychological battle and the fact that you're willing to take them on
This I went through this before with patrick burn when patrick burn was going against the banks for you know
Naked short selling and all this kind of stuff and everything he came
Around crypto, you know and he you know saw where this was going and he's like
Man these guys are and then it come to find out that he's a made guy
You know with the government they were using him to work back channel deals with different whatever that he was
Being a patriot, you know, I'll help you know, I could oh, but you guys are being bad guys
I'm gonna out your asses, you know, and then it was I read his book
Yeah, whatever, but the point is is that
This is wide and deep and we're starting to get educated on what the real government is. It's a gang
With a flag that has monopoly of force that are going out and
Doing the will of somebody
You know, I I don't know who what don't really care
It's a amalgam of whatever the hell to the point that they'll risk
nuclear
Freakin war to go to the ran
Because they're not playing right and doing it wrong and whatever and then what happens
They get a country that goes all-ray on them and says we're just not giving up now what well if you'll play this
You'll sign this you'll give me a little wind over here
Make it look and I can with honor kind of you know, we bombed all your kind of you know, we'll leave
No, we want you to come we're waiting on you right here on the beach
Bring it bitch, you know that attitude. I don't know what they're thinking, you know, I'll tell you this
Ray, are you at the star trekky? You ever watch the old star trek a bunch or anything?
All right, all right, you'll appreciate this one
I was reminded of this and it made me and I went and looked it up
It's called the Galileo seven. It was when spock they had to crash land the shuttle on some
You know primitive planet and big giants with spears were throwing at them
Whatever and then they leave and he ignites to fuel and single flare and kirk saves them
Whatever, but the point was is that he's in command. He has seven people in the shuttle
They're on this planet and these nander towels are you know threatening them while they're trying to get off
Well, what happened was he takes his phaser and he fires it around them and maybe kills one or something
Like that and you know that we don't have to worry about them anymore
Then they got pissed off and they started coming out and they're killing people and going after them
They escaped by the skin of their teeth kind of thing
And he goes I don't understand they obviously saw a superior firepower
You know, why did they come after us and McCoy goes?
Did you ever think that they might react emotionally?
That they might be pissed off and you just enraged them
Did you ever think that that was going to happen?
Well, the government is doing the spot thing going. Well, we're the doj
You know, we we're the big guy. We go go get 20 federales going to restaurant. Whoa, you be intimidated now
Boy, you know, now of course those federales weren't there when they set fire to part of our job
But you know, we got them foray. Okay. So here comes, you know, one guy, you know, that's a good point
You know part of my art that, you know, they
They do the cartel guy and all of a sudden they're all over whatever you didn't see any federales in, you know
But they got them foray. They're all in your plane. So here you go
They take you down and they expect
You to comply you obviously see that we're willing to do you better sign something
Did you ever think
That somebody would react
Emotionally somebody would react principally somebody would
Resist
Did you ever think that they don't think that they can't they don't have the empathy to put themselves in the mind of someone like you
in fact
federal negotiators the fbi when they have hostage situations like waco or different things like that
They have a separate team that comes in and negotiates that knows
Bible verses
Or they they try and use uh something, you know, it's different when you're dealing with people of principle
They can't go it's not like a you know, uh, how much time you're going to serve or a money thing or whatever
It's a principal thing. It's emotional spiritual righteous indignation
They don't know how to deal with that and often they don't
You know, I got subpoenaed to you know
The january 6th thing and whatever and i'm refusing and i'm
That the amendment and bite me and i'm not you know, whatever whatever
subpoena me sending me to washington finally they
Damn it. He's freaking libertarians. I hate these guys. You can go home now. That's what I thought
You know, this is this is i'm so with you and I understand
What is it that you're going to take your case and we're going to tell them right now
We're going to educate the crap out of people on all of these aspects the impasse
Africa this global south you're talking about the
competition with the petrodollar as they're going after
In the middle of the i don't know what the hell they're thinking even saudi arabia has denounced their
military
Protection ties with the us and so on spain and france won't let
US aircraft use their bases in this thing going I mean it it's backfiring and I see it happening
The potential with you. What is the message?
encapsulated right now
That they have, you know
Pete on the electric fence and here it comes
So I just want to make sure what it is
That you're going to make sure you get out of this regardless of what they get from you
The message is to
The show people what my journey taught me and what my journey taught me is this
That all of those poor starving black and brown people all they're so poor because you know, they just can't get it together
Or this or that or whatever, you know bogus line. They give us no
Those people if america if these western powers just left them alone
I'm not even talking about bombs or economic hitmen if they just stayed out of their financial business and let them
Build up their country. Let them do what they need to do not kill them
Not impoverish them with economic apartheid and all of these policies and constraints and bogus rules
If they just left those people alone
They would become rich
And instead of there being one dubai in the middle east there'd be a hundred dubais in all of africa
And them getting rich wouldn't make us poor
We'd all get richer too
But they wouldn't have monopoly control
Yes
The reason there's so much poverty in the world is because of this government and what it does overseas
And we don't need to impoverish those poor people so we can have wealth here
No, the more we impoverish them the poorer we get
Because it's a global economy
All we have to do is leave them alone
And they'll all get happy and rich
And we'll all get happier and richer
That's all we don't have to feel sorry for those poor black and brown people or look down on them. Believe me
They don't need any aid from us. They just need our government to stop messing with them and literally the whole
World including us here back home in america
Will be so much happier and so much richer all the problems of the world will literally be solved
By the entrepreneurs and builders of the world with the technology that we have
All of this if I were to sum it up
In one line, it's simple
Poverty
Is artificially induced
By this corrupt government. That's it. It's all artificial poverty is not the natural state of humanity
It is an artificial construct that they work very very hard to maintain
You know, this is one thing in africa, I
All right, give me 30 seconds. So I'll explain this. I'm going to get your comment
You're on youtube you're on the internet
You know whatever and you click click click click click click other seems interesting boom. I made
I don't know if it was a mistake or not, but I clicked on a story about
Burkina Faso in Africa
And once you click on that man, man, I get deluged with whatever, you know
So for about a month or so, I'm watching this stuff
There was Burkina Faso. I think it was french
There's a french colonial government the kind of all africans, you know, the dutch the french the spanish
Whatever they're colonized, whatever
This one country in uh almost in the middle of northern part africa, um, uh, it
Nationalized the gold mines it said no, this is ours now screw you we're done
And I don't know how communists or socialists they are or whatever, but it didn't matter they they've
Shrugged off control from the colonial powers that we're our own guys and all of a sudden
Um, we get to keep the gold, you know, we get to spend it on development get to do the kadafi libya thing
And also, of course, they're under attack and assassination to tell you that kind of stuff
so
that
Just demonstrates
How widespread this colonial mindset is towards people and their money
And then being able to trade and the sanctions they're willing to do and going well
Then they start to have private agreements with their neighbors, you know with this country that country that could so
Burkina Faso
How much of that is propaganda of them that just flooded social media there for a month or two?
And then all of a sudden boom it's gone
And i'm going no, of course it is so this is uh
This dovetail into a lot of the crypto and the things that you were doing. Are you familiar with it?
Tell that story if you know anything. Would you please?
Absolutely. So yeah, I've been talking about Burkina Faso for the past three years
ever since uh, ibrahim terrore
Came to power and he was just a normal soldier
He took over the country and then we all immediately started, you know, we make military dictator tyrant this guy
Rapidly industrialize the country has them building their own roads
They've built 10 times more roads in a single year than they have, you know, since the beginning of the country
Their own cars their own planes their own. I mean he went
What the hell?
Yeah, yeah, even you know nationalized their gold supplies the french were basically robbing them
They were taking their gold and selling giving them two dollars
You know, uh, sorry two cents on the dollar for it. He said no
This gold is ours. You want to buy it from us buy it at the fair market price
And he was helping his people and his people love him. They love him so much
Since he took office. He's been he's resisted. I think it's over 17 assassination attempts right now
They've been desperate to kill this man. It's not just the french
They're working hand in hand with the americans and the english
They want this guy out because they're afraid of what happens when one african nation proves. Hey, we don't need your NGOs
We don't need your, you know, financial aid. We don't need you. We just leave us alone. Just leave us alone
They know what's gonna happen. You're gonna have a runaway success
And his predecessor was a guy named thomas senkara
Thomas senkara was like he was just like a reemptory and he came first
They had him killed too. They had his best friend killed him
And this has been the story throughout all of africa. I'm trying to do the same thing. I don't control a nation
So instead I said, hey, we have
peer-to-peer electronic cash a solution for the financial monetary pillar
Let's show the people of africa how they can use this to just start using their money
Like they should be like everyone can like we can't hear in the states
And that is even scarier to them because it does the same thing. It creates wealth
It creates independence. And now we have to deal with them as partners instead of slaves
So absolutely, it's all the same struggle brother. It's all the same struggle. Yeah, the brokina faso. Yes, uh,
Torre or traure or how do you say his name? Um
It was definitely
You know bias. I mean all these videos you get the history
It was it was state-run fans doing kind of whatever. So I started, you know looking for
Criticisms, you know started widening the search. What kind of he's very popular
I mean the people, you know, I am a river to my people kind of thing
And he always wears his military outfit because he's like man, we're at battle all the freaking time
and like you're saying
And get a lot of the stories
It is the financial system is the same doj that went after you with the mexico
I don't know how the hell they did that get 20 federal out because because they can because trump made them or something
I have no idea what the hell you know shadow
You gotta be one bad dude to get deported from mexico
You repeat that often, okay
That's awesome. So the thing is is that you have
The french government certainly the british government
The russian government chai you've got with the government government. I'm not a government guy, okay
They are just gangs with flags and they have their own interests and they will do any and everything they can to maintain
Control it is about control. We can do whatever we want with control if we don't have control if you're not in control
You're out of control. We can have you out of control
So this is what you represent and it's not just here and the fact that you are doing this in africa
You got the all the world all the banks all the
Western whatever the hell everybody on your ass to be an example
Don't do that. Now. Remember sterling lou ham, you know, he and I good friends
And he was doing smart card or something and no, what do they call him the
the
barry, you know
favelas or what it said the um slums around rio de Janeiro, okay, brazil
I'm sorry
Yeah
And what happened was um
He had a mechanism like you were doing he was empowering the poor up in the hills of they could go down to
You know, they had some payment
Dang like their little 7-elevens that they were getting doing bring it up and then they had a market using digital
And it was smart cash or smart card or whatever he was doing
And I supported that for the same reasons that you're talking about empowering the poor
They are creating their human beings with needs desires and innovation and motivation
To make things go work and they were and they them those
Hell no, you're so freaking not allowed, you know, and
Maybe we'll give you a license you can apply for oh got you on the list. Thanks for playing, you know, which is the mistake
Now that's one thing that you
uh might want to share with the audience is
You know this stuff that you want to do that you have a right to do your human being of doing
And you're not bothering anybody and you're adding to
You don't look for a license for it. Okay, so this is you know, put your name on a list. So
This is like you started off in the game the reason I bring up
Faso and brazil and these other efforts
Every single one of these that empower
The poor that raise up the lower they want this, you know, or desire the result is
A k economy where you got
All the resources are to a small percentage and everybody else just left to suck it in a dystopian
B-movie sci-fi novel whatever that we've been warned about and it's here and this is how it happens
So ray, how can we help us help you?
How is it that you
Can take this case
Take this opportunity to teach people about the resistance in africa the resistance of the poor the resistance to
centralized control the uh impasse story how this all came about
What's that who were really dealing with and why? So
This is something that I think you're a good emissary for this mindset and concept
That they have unleashed on the planet because they don't freaking know better, you know
So
What is your campaign? How's the timeline look? What are your court cases?
Because this is where they go. We'll drag this out. You can drag this out as long as you freaking want man
We're going to drag it out. It's going to go presidential election after presidential election and after they did this
They you know got all their goodies in 24 letting uh ross olbrecht out. Well, they got 28 coming
You know and j.d. Vance is all you know palan tiered and tealed up. You know, what are they going to do now?
Who they got a free now?
What are they going to message now or is it going to be people you better get some election fraud
For the republicans now because everybody's leaving your ass. So this is
What is your power and this is like erin day, you know a crypto activist out of you know new hampshire
We're friends. He he's he's running for us senate in new hampshire against sunudu, you know and uh
He's going to tip the scale be a kingmaker on that and all you have to do is let all you guys go and he'll pull the campaign
Or the republicans will you lose the senate? That's his deal. Well, it's like a threat. You damn skipy
It is it's a promise here. We go
So the battle's on already. I understand
It's good to have someone with your
Intestinal fortitude your commitment to principle that you're willing to take this on
Now, I know what you're going to say no matter what I mean
What are you willing? Are you willing to die? Are you willing to be incarcerated forever and always?
Which they threaten you with you know, they did in freeman. We went through all that with ian
You know it's still going on
What is it that you're willing to do for this cause?
Well, brother, you know spending, you know, my life in jail is definitely not fun
I'd be willing to do it though for god
Dying a warrior's death would be a privilege
But i'll spend all my money and i'll spend all my time and i'll go around the entire country in the world
And i'll speak about this to my last breath. That's what i've been doing
That's why i'm successful because I went up there to the people to the streets of africa land america southeast aja
And I spoke to people from my heart. I told them
If we get this right
What's in front of us is a future that is so beautiful that we cannot even imagine our children
A beautiful life
That's what's ahead of us if we get this right and here's how we get it right and I gave them the steps
They did it was they're smart and there's so much talent out there
So the message is one of hope we can fix all the problems out there
We don't need the government. We don't need anyone all the technology that we have right now cryptocurrency ai robotics
Literally no one even has to work. We have enough for everyone. Let's just get that money to flow
Let's start trading trading creates wealth and here's how we trade now. We can make payments
We have peer to peer electronic cash
I did that and I'm willing to continue doing that and if need be and it we do need to
Educate people about why we haven't been able to do that thus far
Is because we are being opposed
As jfk said by a monolithic ruthless conspiracy that has absolutely no issues
Doing the most unimaginable evil these people rape and eat babies for christ sakes
You think they won't try to put good people in prison? You think they won't try to bribe your politicians?
And black they'll them to keep them utterly helpless and stop every good thing that you do
So once everyone in the world understands that understands that there is a better future ahead of us
We don't need some magical solution. All the solutions are right in front of us. We just need to be able to work
Without being consistently opposed by our own people
And the way that happens is when every man starts to talk and sound like me
I always bring hope and inspiration because I am always hopeful and optimistic. I know how amazing humans are
Humans are amazing creation brother. We got a lot of crap these days
Because the devil has the whole world and a headlock
But literally if you leave just a bunch of human beings alone and they're all facing in the same direction
What we can accomplish in such a short amount of time
Is absolutely mind bending. We can build a whole civilization. We can build the most beautiful powerful things
And we can do so with peace but most people are good
This is the power of being human and if you're a human being listening to this
You're very special because before god sent us down to this world. He gave us a choice
What time do you want to be born in? We all chose to be born in the end times. We're in them right now
So during the end times you're playing on legendary mode. We're playing on legendary now. We said, hey, all right
There's only one in one thousand chance of us making it to heaven because these times are so dark
Well, we're going to take that shot because we're going for the big time
So respect every human being that you meet out there. We're amazing creatures be pro humanity
All we have to do is educate the man and woman next to us about what is possible
What is probable because we are going to win this thing
We're just going to have to go through a very dark time and these next 20 years are going to be dark
But when we get out of this
We will be in a world that is completely unrecognizable and that'll be so beautiful so hopeful
Everyone is going to have wealth. You're not going to be able to give money away. That's how much plenty and how much you know
How much abundance there is in the world, especially with all the technology that we have
So spend the time educating your brother and your sister next to you
Poverty is artificial. It is artificially induced and ruthlessly maintained and it is done so through ignorance
And financially is how it works. So educate yourself about the financial system
How it's broken how it came to be broken and the tools that we have to actually get us out of this mess
We can do amazing things. I was literally homeless in new york city 11 years ago literally homeless
And I finally came to the point where I was quite arrogant and god broke me until I had to literally beg
The one voice I always knew was listening. Please help me. I'm at the end. I don't know what to do. Help me, please
Nine months later. I was a multi-millionaire
That is the power of god and god is with us
They can't stop the true believers and they fear the true believer and they'll use whatever methods they can
But literally they don't they don't always get their way folks if they did I'd be in jail right now
The guy that just uses his money to build schools and help people be in jail
But they didn't get their way god got me out of here
And i'm walking around new york city and i'm free and i'm able to talk to you
So if you want to help me, I don't need money. Thank god
But spread the word get me speaking. I'll go to joe rogan
I'll talk on great shows like you with the awaken patriots like yourself
I will get the message out there and help me
This thing ends when everyone starts sounding and talking like me. That's what we need to do
More fearless leadership that speaks from a position of absolute confidence
That's how we win
Freedom's the answer
What's the question?
This has been
My mantra when you talk about we're in the end time zone that was
That was the concept of this when we do freedoms phoenix
It was from the ashes of lady liberties torch freedoms rebirth
Freedoms phoenix that was the point and then we understood that we're going to have to go through
Ashes
Well the ashes be a common
And they I see a mushroom cloud
Nuclear war comply no more you the government failed man. You guys, you know pull that
You know genie out of the bottle and you'll we're done
Man, you're not going to get nothing out of me now years ago or decade ago. We did this
We did pirates without borders pirates without borders is why I raised my black banner
You know you were talking about technology and how and the abundance of the future of
We have categories, you know, we got like communication energy shelter food water health
Transportation automation education
We knew that if we could get these decentralized down to the individual
decentralized control authority of
Communication we have a mesh network here on the land, you know the satellite energy
We're all solar we got none and on and on and on more self-sufficient. This is what africa is now
I don't need an NGO. I don't need to you know food truck of they do and then the warlord gets it and you know
Rations it out for control if I get the women, you know, this is you get people
Freedom and they can do it themselves. So then we're doing this
Occupied land occupy the land org with all of this technology that we know
Exactly exactly what you're talking about the future is enormous abundance
Because of the technology that we have and I didn't even got my robot doing my work yet. You know, I mean this is
There's so much potential for humanity
And
There's somebody something in the way
Listen, there's down
Is it banking?
Is it the money?
Is it they don't have enough lambos they got? I mean, what is it?
That you think it's not just a guy that sent the card and somebody read and okay
And I'll do whatever to get 20 federales to come take you to
California go to new york so you can sit there in the ankle bracelet, which I assume you got an ankle bracelet on but the uh, you know, so
It's somebody
something some entity
decided
Go get him
Who what do you know and when you find out? I'd like to know, you know, who's responsible for this?
Somebody initiates some position some is it even the u.s. Government?
Is it some international they them those, you know, uh palpatine?
You know, I saw Ron something, you know, who or what is it? Do you think?
All the prophets of god have warned us
About this enemy and about these end times where it's all gonna come down, you know, you think about jesus christ himself
What did he do he came as a messenger to the israelites as a warner?
Hey, you're following the book that's been corrupted
Oh, and by the way, you know, stop with this usury that you're doing. It's evil. It's not just, you know
It's permitted. It's not permissible for anyone
ever
And he went into the temple where they
Basically, they had created the first form of fiat fiat was invented in the temple in jerusalem there
Where the dominant currency of time was the shekel that was made of silver issued by the roman empire
The priest of the temple said, oh, hey
Let's fork the shekel
It'll be made of wood or moderate after the tyre coin, which is where children were sacrificed
In the island of tyre so these were salt sacrifices as well
Their god was actually bail a molok and they were charging people you want to pay your tithe to the temple
Well, they'll only take the half shekel now and they could create as many of these as they wanted in wood
They charge their own interest rate
So they created they're all they've created their own form of fiat. That's where fiat was invented
And they started, you know crazy rates on it
And christ knew what was going on that was the genesis of the experiment and that experiment has
metastasized into a financial system
That is, you know, layer upon layer upon layer of usury at the highest level and has literally impoverished the entire world
Jesus came and he came took action against this the last prophet of Islam came and warned people about this. In fact, his last sermon
The first thing he warned people about was usury. It's called ribba in Islam
Moses when he delivered the Torah he forbid usury of any kind
But of course it was changed and they said, oh, yeah, we can do it to those people just not between us
So they've used finance to control the game and the experiment has gotten out of hand folks
It has gotten really out of hand
That's their main vehicle control and you said it it's banking, which is financial monetary
Which is the money itself the petrol dollar they control that so they control the rails
They control the currency and they control the media
We have to take back those three pillars of power at the same time by building our own platforms
It was as long as we're on their platforms
They'll have control over this they can censor us they can shut cancel us they can shut us down
And I'm one of those people that built one of those platforms. I built a financial platform and they didn't like that
There's people out there trying to build a monetary platform
They're going to try to fight that tooth and nail too, but they can't win
They will lose and if you want to accelerate their demise
And accelerate the enrichment of your family and your children
Spread the word educate people
To listen to people like me and start sounding like people like me because the enemy is out there
It is a death cult that has been around for thousands of years every prophet came to warn us
Somehow these people took control of the three main pillars of power
And they did so primarily through the control first of you know, the british empire
Then the british empire they collapsed it and replaced it with the american empire
That's
That's packs americana
Packs americana, I think is you know pretty much dead right now
It's falling and they want america russia and china to mutually destroy themselves
So that a new ruling state can take over
That's where all this is leading and they're talking about it publicly now
If I talked about this
You know just the great reset
Yeah, exactly. They would say it was an anti-semitic conspiracy theory
But benjamin netanyahu is coming out and declaring this himself
So it's all coming in our face
We're here. They want to turn america into like you ever see the play the game or watch the series fallout
That's what they want to turn america into was america as an independent nation if they wanted to
We could stop these guys
But else so they're gonna see us destroyed because we're waking up a little too fast
That's not our cue to slow down folks. That's our cue to
That's our cue to fight back to start, you know in small ways like instead of going to the supermarket
Go to your farmers market
Learn about money and how it's corrupted educate your children
And start getting off of their platforms
Do the extra work that is necessary to get off of their platforms in little ways like that grow your own vegetables
Every little way you can resist is a win
And this is what i'm seeing is happening. I want to give you a little bit of encouragement here
When we first started, you know
Activist in the 90s, you know running libertarian campaigns and so on
It was uh, there was a video called the philosophy of liberty, you know kin school and done this liberty international and
And it was a very powerful eight minute very simple thing
Every two weeks for years. James Corbett and I do a show
And we've you know coming up solutions. We got to have some solutions
Well, what we did is we just launched it last wednesday
And it's called libertas.earth
It's 54 languages
The mission is this animation this eight minute video that was done as a primer in the early 90s
For the russian people that just came out of the soviet union and didn't know what the hell property rights
What's that, you know
So they had to have this basic fundamental understanding and it's in 54 languages
It's just i go and all you have to do
Is just send it click
click
Ford send and this has been gone after we did arab spring
We had thousands of these in terrier square in arabic and it exploded
They don't want exactly what you're talking about us to understand
That the philosophy of liberty is based on the principle of self ownership
Once you get that splinter in your mind, it's over
So however we can marry our efforts with your whatever and being promoter of and stuff, you know
Let's play because i am so done
with
You know trying to negotiate with them get a license, you know doing that
And we'll list the promoters on here
We'll put whatever needs to be for people to have the resources because when you go in to the
The site and you have
Pick a language
And farce now we're at war with iran you go in the you know farce here
We have it on ip fs this video here thumbnail so that it can't be de-platformed or censored
Then we got in on bit shoot
We have downloaded the banners
in that language
You do the qr code goes to the ip fs version so it can't be deleted
We have created this as an activist tool for they them those to go whip some ass
This is the kind of thing that they brought on
and I
Understand at a foundational old activist. I'm 65 now level
Of exactly what you're talking about is exactly what has to happen
We educate each other
We share and we extract ourselves as much as possible occupy the land because this is what we're doing
I mean we're occupying the land
you know, we're out here building and
All of the technology that we have are demonstrating how it frees us so imagine me
In central africa on the savannah somewhere
No, that's what's going on. So this is the next stage in this effort
I want to understand what the prosecute doj's game plan is they've just threatened you
I mean, what do they threaten you with 20 100 years?
I mean, what what is it that they're threatening you with and what's their plea their offer or they just
Putting you off to I have no idea what they thought they were going to get. What is it that you think they're offering?
I mean they were desperate when they were basically begging my attorney to you know for me to plead to anything
and
You know you refused to
So they hit me they created this 232 laws with a bitcoin
Just to extend the statute
So they're probably gonna try to get me to do you know cop to I don't know five years and
Then I don't know maybe get a couple of months or nothing. I'm gonna pay a big fine and walk
That's probably what they want or they're over to get I'm not gonna do any of that
Or do they threaten you with I mean they they say you you could get what?
Um, well, there's five charges. They hit me with each of them carries around five years
So I guess the worst possible case down there is 25 years, but
You know, they have all the charges, you know are ridiculous. So
They really have nothing at all. They're just hoping to strengthen. I guess they're hoping to
String this out as much as possible until I get fed up and say, okay, you know, I'll plead to this
And here's a couple million bucks and see you later
That's probably what their game plan is because they don't have any case at all here
So I want to take this to court. I want a jury to hear all this
I want them to know. Hey, I'm the guy that delivered financial freedom that never lost anyone's money
That took my money and build schools all over the world
And had the best compliance program on the entire planet
And if my co-founder gets over there and he starts making up some story, well
He's gonna get destroyed
And I have no problem with that either. He'll get his reward as well karma is very real. So
I honestly don't know what they're planning, brother
their real hope was that I would be in
Sacramento federal prison right now rotting away and get desperate. That's really what they were hoping for
That's what we're dealing with here. They're dealing with people that, you know
Are don't have any real scruples. Don't really care about law or justice
They're just trying to get a notch under sheet and you know
Get into the private sector and make some money over here
If not that then I think there's some serious very strong spiritual motivations. They really don't like people like me
because I'm the only
CEO
in all of crypto
That spoke out against this two-year
Genocide that was happening. I'm the only guy and I was speaking out about it from day one
For what guys?
Yes
From day one, I got out there and I spoke out against that
In the strongest possible terms. Well, that'll put you on the list
It's certainly well brother
So I'm that guy. I don't care about money
I live a very simple very structured disciplined life
You know, I pray every day. I believe in god. I help people. I believe karma is real
You know, I'm not perfect. So, you know, I have a perfect history. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life
But I'm really trying to do the right thing and I want to see humanity win
Spiritually, I ring all the alarm bells for them
And that's a big part of this too because these prosecutors are having to
Fly from Washington, DC to Sacramento every single time they want to meet me
So they're really being pushed to put to not let this go even though they're higher ups
Certainly think this case was a joke
So that's the motivation of play here. It is a spiritual battle. As you said Ernest
And I'm willing to fight it out to the very spiritual ends and I'm very confident
You know, god wouldn't take me this far to let me go right now
And I'm only just getting started brother. Yeah, no, this is this is the beginning
Yeah, and I'm I really appreciate you coming on the show and uh one of our listeners is a fan of yours
I wanted to make sure that you got a man. Oh, yeah, you had me a hello man. You know, it's all good
You know, but the um, I wanted to get this full story from you
And I'm sure there's a lot more but the main thing is is you represented a threat
Just a principal threat a a an imaginary
threat, I mean not that it was imaginary, but it's an imagined imagination, you know
Of what is possible that you demonstrate that
That is your sin competitions of sin. You're freaking not allowed. Was that Rockefeller?
You know competitions of sin, you know, well
you allowed for the realization of poor people to understand why
They're impoverished how
They can get out
The first thing was a really good example for me
It was the one way that you could really use your bitcoin a lot to get anything out of discount
And it was because they're exploiting and taking advantage of, you know, poor people in poor countries, you know hitting keyboards at no English
And uh getting paid in their funny money of whatever and they found a way to get around
Damn it. And then, you know, the micro investment think damn it. They're damn damn it
The people are getting peopleized. They're realizing their power
they're doing this kind of stuff that ray is talking about and
And to put you on an evangelical
pulpit, you know, kind of, you know, here I am, you know preaching the gospel to they that
That was their biggest mistake
They don't under they can't understand this in the end freedom always wins
It just gets messy first and we have to go through this mess
I see abundance after this. I'm just trying for my family and I 18 acres out into the cattle trail
You know, we're just trying to survive this
You know, we demonstrated that as soon as I get done with shows today
I'm out on my tractor digging a root cellar of freaking I got stuff to do
And the thing is is that this inspiration that we're doing is okay before we go
I want to share I was going to do this in the next show, but you'll appreciate this
I have one neighbor within five miles and the next neighbor is like another five miles
Okay out in the middle of the desert 70 miles west of phoenix
I mean, it's just we're we're out in the desert
It took me four or five months
To just do the build the road enough for me to get our bus out here for us to live to be able to do
Start our building
I'm off the radar I'm out in the middle of and then I get this
This is a announcement from the United States Department of Defense military government
That they I mean I'm out in the middle of nothing
And it's the department of the army. Okay
They want they want to explain it to me and what it was is they're going well, you're in the
former
Laguna maneuver area and that map
I'm right in the red on the
Um, I guess on the right side where the red is right on the edge
Of that that I was in some
DoD
Range defense of be careful. You're digging your root cell or you might hit a bomb
And I'm going yeah, this is so all of a sudden
I
Couldn't get far enough away until I got far enough away to be on some world war two
Ancient gunnery range of something kind of and we might have to come out and inspect it, you know kind of deal
I'm like, oh you guys that is rich now. So I'm going to have some fun with this
I'm not contacting you'll call this number if you got any kind of that I don't care
But you know, you can't go far enough
It's amazing. So this is or decades ago help before I was born
So I am like this is it they send it to our trust, you know, they'll find you, you know, they're going to get you
This is what we're dealing with. I just want people to understand
You have to be free
up here
You have to make a decision
up here
and here
I
Feel ray has done that
I wanted to make sure that we got to talk about your case and that you know
It was just such a neon flashing
obvious stroke by dimson and 20 federal allies
In mexico
At monarotopia
to get ray
This was a message
And I remember one of the revolutionaries in the 08 campaign for dr. Paul
The young kid and he goes like this. We're watching doing some out of gathering and he goes
You want one world government? We're going to give you one world revolution
Oh
That was awesome. I vote that
So the revolution
Clicky clicky libertas.org
Share this video or interview with ray yosef
This has been
Such an example of what we're really
up against
You think you're up against, you know what there's all these little, you know monopolies or you got
special interests or lobbyists on the whatever and you know
This guy can't sell the widget of the competing in my widget of uncle fester or whatever
I know a congressman kind of whatever
You don't think oh, well, it is real third rail israel can't you know resist it? You know, let's kind of stuff
What the real battle is is the money
I care not what laws people make with laws that control the money
Well, they control and this was an example
It was a message right when
They're coming out of las vegas last august with jd vans standing up there
The crypto war is over and we're embracing crypto as long
As it's our crypto and you have you know trump and his sons
You know running all kinds of crypto stuff the usd one which they want and I was it
Lickner lightener whatever he's part of
The system that takes us treasuries to put into that as a stable coin to I mean they are so sick with corruption
that it's all going to come out
Because they got someone like ray to explain it to us
And I hope that you know all these interviews that you're doing and all these things hell even i'm not super cryptic
And I remember all this stuff because it's just a pattern that repeats on no matter what it is
if you're not
With them
You're again them and if they can't convert you it's like they're necromongers and chronicles of rittic
You know
You will comply or die. I mean no kind of thing
So this is what we're up against
And a man of faith a man of principle
Is what it takes to go up against this stuff
And I don't think they factored that in
Did they did they know what they were coming up against or they just you were just a number of a line on a docket or something
How is it that see that's what I want to know
Now what ai what algorithm do they got oh you got to get this guy?
So I'm afraid of you know they're going to go and that's early. He's got too many roots with grapevine
And we got to take care of that business, you know, this is
What we're up against before you go just go ahead and I want you to rant on me
The message that you have what you're up against the spiritual battle inside yourself
The faith that you have
What can we expect from rey in this end time battle?
Well, you can expect me to fight this thing out to the very end here in America in the last breaths of a dying empire
I'm going to enjoy that and I think you'll all enjoy it as well
The more I can speak the better because I like to speak because I speak from my heart
I believe everything that I say and I speak with the utmost confidence and real depth of experience and authority
So do help me amplify my voice everyone and once this is done
I'm going on a tear folks
Now I have to jump on a call right now about one of my other projects
I'm actually building a structured spring water generator
I'm bringing back the work of guys like victor schauburger nicola tesla michael faraday jj thompson. I'm actually a closet man
Sorry, it's I spent seven years
researching and reading all the books of the old victorian greats from the
royal institute
And i'm going to work hard to bring all of their innovations back and that's just the start folks
Exclusion exclusion zone water. We just did a show on it. I've been studying this it's structured water is
Was it h302 or something? It's just it's
The water that is in your cells
It's how you know the water
Structured water is a thing that you can create and it's come from babbling brooks kind of stuff
The water that we're drinking from the municipal is not the real war
I can speak about that and the work of jerald pollock is also involved in that
So I would love to come back and I'm gonna talk about that. That's uh, that's gonna be a long show
Set aside four hours for that one, but it will blow people's minds
And again, let's do that. Let's go donna
You know set ray up on a structured water interview give it
You know early may or something. Hopefully you'll still be out of jail
But you know give us time he needs to you know
Pept the crap out of his incarceration here
But I do want to do that because we've you know done this before and someone knowledge like yourself would be
You know interesting to have because these are the kinds of things that they them those don't want us to know
They don't want you to understand and we're finding out there's been
poisoning
This is it's like mainstream news in the last week
They've been poisoning us intentionally to bring down testosterone
levels of men
To make sure that you don't even want to resist
There's something wrong with us and what we started to realize my close friends and I we go, you know
All these libertarians these people the anarchists the ones that are fighting the principal
They grew up on well water
They weren't in the flora dated municipal or whatever the hell
It's this rule thing. It was just from the beginning
We hadn't been as polluted
But then they you know, they got deterioros. Yeah, they get you, you know
So this is why we you know have our own garden
We do a lot of our own growing stuff because they're poisoning us and the structured water thing is going to help with that
Ray, thanks for coming on
You know, I apologize injecting so much in it
But there's so much history
That I could see this coming and that you represent just a tail end of you know, the
Follow the empire because this is it it seems like they're pushing a timeline
And there's some desperation
And 20 federal allies and at Monerotopia in Mexico to go get Ray kind of man
I'm feeling some desperation when the crypto war is over, you know
so I'm it was
That desperation that shows us that we're near the end times
And the end of what I mean, I'm not you know, we're about some big giant zombie. It's an end of their rule
It's an end of our infancy. It's an end of our adolescence. It's the end of us being children
It's manning up like ray is doing to where we have an example an inspiration to others
It's one freaking day closer than it was yesterday that this coming freedoms
Phoenix the rebirth
Thanks, ray. Thank you so much, brother
I you know, don't forget about me, man
I mean, you know, I'm I'm I'm already a fan and I I understand the battle
And we got other resources and projects that we're doing that would dug tail into what you're doing
Keep sending us the news
We'll put it up on our sites our news site would send us
Other people to interview send us the real as a you understand where my mind is
Let's do it because it has been so obvious
What's coming and what our responsibilities as husbands fathers
Humans men
You know, my god, can I say that men, you know the protector of well, this is what's coming
And ray is a good example
I'll let it go with that but ray good luck, man
And I'm just it's not even luck. Keep up the faith. Keep up the faith
Yes, sir
Peace brother. Thank you so much. You bet my pleasure. Talk to you soon. Bye
Goodbye brother. Thank you