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Once again, we'll be speaking to a bona fide OG of the Ron Paul Revolution today.
Someone I've long admired for his musical abilities.
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Alright, our guest today is someone Matt and myself had the pleasure
of watching perform last August in Lake Jackson, Texas at Ron Paul's 90th birthday barbecue.
Of course, being in the Liberty Movement for over a decade
certainly wasn't our first time hearing his music or hearing his name.
In fact, I saw him perform in February 2023 at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC
at the Rage Against the War Machine Rally, which was an incredibly inspiring performance.
But alas, our guest today is the magnificent anti-war musician, artist, and activist Jordan Page.
Jordan has been a recognizable cultural figure in Liberty and anti-war space since the Ron Paul era
and I'm certainly excited to have him joining us today.
So Jordan, my apologies on it taking so long to get you on the show, man.
We've been talking about this since last August, but you know, you're here now.
We're thrilled to have you on and welcome to the Freethought Project podcast, my friend.
Thanks, man. Thanks for having me on. Now, this is great. Yeah, no worries.
Yeah, well, sometimes, you know, we do this once a week.
So sometimes we have to push back episodes and things come up and one of us gets sick or can't make, you know, you know how it goes.
But you've really cemented your place as the soundtrack to the Ron Paul Revolution for over two decades now.
And I remember seeing your name and hearing your music way back in the early 2010s
when I was first getting into all this.
And I know you performed at multiple Ron Paul campaign events, not only in 2008, but also this 2012 presidential run.
And I know that is just kind of the tip of the iceberg, you know, barely scratches the surface of your musical journey.
But, you know, I do want to hear you perform at least one of your songs today on the show, which would be amazing.
But I know you've earned your respect and credentials in a number of different ways.
But I was thinking, you know, perhaps for our audience who might be unfamiliar with your work,
maybe we could start with your origin story, like how you got involved with the Ron Paul Revolution,
how you were inspired to create this music that aligned with Ron Paul's world views on things like the military industrial complex and civil liberties
and how you became not just a supporter, but a symbol of the movement's cultural identity.
Wow. Really great question, Jason. Wow. Okay.
So it is, there is a story. And I, you know, I, a staple of my shows is storytelling.
I always tell stories before every song. So like, you know, this is this part of this story is not very pleasant.
And but it ends well. You know, I think we've all in the, I guess in the last month or so, a couple of months,
we, the whole world has been subjected to what I would say is tantamount to a massive trauma ritual, like an occult ritual,
where they have released millions of redacted documents of horror, like absolute horror.
You know, like it's like this massive trauma ritual that's happening.
I went through this in 2000 at the end of 2006.
I knew about all this stuff back then. And it, I went from being a person who was completely apolitical.
I like, I could not have had a conversation with folks like you back then.
You know, I wouldn't have had the vocabulary to do it.
And I thought that people that were obsessed with things like politics were, they had nothing better to do.
That that's literally like where I was at. I was raised in an apolitical household, probably more Democrat leaning at the time.
But it wasn't like nobody in my house was like a staunch Democrat or a staunch Republican or anything like that.
And there was no talk of liberty. There was no talk of freedom. It was, there was no politics discussed at all.
And so I had no foundation in any of that.
I, you know, I was performing professionally. I was touring, you know, around the country.
I was touring up and down the Mid-Atlantic, because I'm from Maryland originally.
And I was just writing songs about my life.
And, you know, I was playing in bars a lot guys.
Play for, you know, I don't know, 25 people anywhere up to 100 people, you know, at a bar and just throw my own songs in mixed in with a bunch of covers.
Trying to get people to drink, trying to get them to dance, just to have a good time.
And then occasionally I would do a show that was just originals.
And, you know, you kind of live for those types of shows, you know, I mean, it was a living.
And I was making a living, I was making a good living doing what I love to do, which is play music.
And I had this experience, well, there were two experiences that led me on this path.
And the first one was, I was driving home one day, we were living in Annapolis, Maryland.
My wife and I, we were still engaged at that point.
And I was driving home and I see this man in a wheelchair trying to get up onto the curb at the supermarket.
And I'm just this kind of person.
And I pulled into the parking lot, got out, and I helped him up onto the curb.
And his legs were amputated below the knee.
And he was just this really kind of a spindly guy and had a very kind of effeminate voice.
And he seemed very, very grateful and very eager to talk to someone.
He seemed very lonely.
And we got to talking and it turns out he lived in the same apartment complex.
And we struck up a friendship and over about six months or so, you know, we had dinner, you know, probably a couple dozen times and did things with him.
I helped him.
I did favors for him here and there because I mean, he was literally all alone in the world.
I always found it odd that his apartment was disgusting, but that he had all of this high-end art.
He had like sculptures and busts and crystal chandeliers and expensive looking paintings.
But yet, you know, his apartment was also a pigsty.
It was like the decadent mixed with, you know, squalor.
It was very weird.
And I also found it weird that he had no one in his life, nobody.
And, you know, one night he had invited us over for dinner and he, after dinner, I was playing the guitar for him.
I was playing Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here.
And he starts crying and, oh, I should mention that this guy had a disease that no one could explain.
He was in medical journals and his body was literally like decomposing while he's still alive.
And he didn't.
Jesus.
And he, you know, the doctors told him he would have been better off having AIDS than whatever this mysterious illness was that he had.
And God, I haven't told the story in a long time.
It's intense.
So I'm playing Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here and he starts crying.
And I look at Mary and I'm like, uh-oh.
So I stopped playing.
I said, buddy, what's wrong?
Why are you crying?
And he, under his breath, he says, I just feel like God has smited me.
And I said, well, why do you feel like God would smite you?
And he says, for the sins of my youth.
And I looked at Mary and she's like, I don't know if we want to know.
And I said, but you know, me, I'm the guy that pushes the button, right?
And so I said, well, what did you do?
And he said, all throughout the 70s and 80s, he ran an underground escort service for senators and congressmen with children.
Oh.
And that was sort of earth-shattering information that I could not even fathom that such a thing even goes on.
This is how disconnected I was from the truth and the reality of what really is happening in the world.
And he explained the whole thing to me.
I mean, like he was a child trafficker and had clearly suffered the consequences for that.
But he explained that 90% of elected officials in Congress are all being blackmailed.
And that is how all these horrible bills get passed and nothing ever changes for the good.
And it's because the entire government is run by blackmail.
Now, he didn't say who was pulling those strings, but he explained the scam and the machine and that he had been a part of it for about 20 years.
And this really blew my mind.
And I started doing research and it just sent me down into the black hole of the information superhighway and that exists.
And it just really changed me as a person.
And I started to care about things I didn't care about before.
And I started to look around me rather than just, you know, being self-centered and self-absorbed with my life.
And about, it was December the 6th of that year.
It was like, I guess, four or five months later.
I had this terrible nightmare about George W. Bush.
And I woke up at three o'clock in the morning and I just walked into my second bedroom, which was kind of my office.
And I got on the computer and I just, I was like half asleep.
Seriously, like I wasn't even thinking and just started typing.
I'm just watching my fingers just move and then I'm looking at the screen and watching words appear.
But it's not like I'm thinking these words.
Okay.
It was like my hands were moving and lyrics were appearing on the screen.
And it wasn't even a song. It was just a poem.
But I could tell it was extremely political.
It had its political tones to it.
And I still wasn't a super political person.
I was just starting to learn things.
And so I called a buddy of mine who was a political kind of guy.
But, you know, I couldn't have told you the difference between the left and the right back then.
But he was a very leftist kind of person.
And I got his, I got, I had the wrong number.
I called his mom and she was up because it was midnight in Seattle where she was.
And she said, well, read it to me.
So I read her the lyrics and she said, you know, that is really wonderful.
She's like, but it makes me sad that someone your age feels this way about the country.
She says, just remember something.
The pendulum swings left and right.
And just when you get tired of it being one way, it's going to go the other way.
And something in my mind said, listen to her.
I heard, it was like a voice I heard said, listen to her.
And so I thanked her for listening and then we hung up and I noticed my guitar was sitting up against the bed that I didn't even know it was in there.
And I grabbed the guitar and I just grabbed a G chord and just, you know, said the pendulum swings from the left to the right.
And it was like, I took a hard look at the words that I had written.
And I just wrote this chorus and plugged it in, you know, three or four times.
And all of a sudden it was a complete song.
It was like the music was already there.
And this song pendulum changed my life completely.
I played it for the first time, I guess three weeks after I'd written it at the Ram set on stage in Annapolis, Maryland, which is this great concert venue.
And it was like a Christmas show.
There were a lot of artists playing and every artist got two songs.
And, you know, I did, I did, you do a Christmas song and you can do one of your own.
And I, you know, I got them on my side with Oh Holy Night because everybody loves that one.
And then I did pendulum and I was scared to death.
I mean, I was literally shaking before I played this song.
And my wife had to give me a pep talk.
She's like, it's gonna be fine.
Just get up there and do it.
And because I did, I thought they were going to boom me off the stage.
I truly did.
And instead I got a standing ovation and it was the only standing ovation of the night.
And I was just kind of blown away.
And in this moment, I really felt God speaking to me saying, you see, they know what the song is about, but you need to go and really learn.
And, you know, I was reminded of the song, the song, Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which said, I'll know my song well before I start singing.
And I needed to go and learn and know my song well.
I needed to learn.
And so, you know, I dove straight into places like Alex Jones and folks like that.
You know, I got just just really, really into the documentaries and watched American Freedom to Fashes and the Aaron Russo documentary about, you know, 9-11 and the New World Order and all of that.
And, you know, Endgame and Obama Deception and all these documentaries that like laid out what, you know, at least a perspective on what is really going on in the world.
And it was horrifying.
I went through a deep depression for about two years.
It was just, but I couldn't look away.
I essentially did what everyone right now is doing with the Epstein files.
It was total trauma and all of the pillars, not all the pillars, but many of the pillars of my life worldview crumbled before me.
And I just learned terrible, terrible things and it was just a really, really sad time for me.
And I really praised my wife for staying married to me after that period of time.
She's a really good woman.
But that was also a time of transformation where I was writing songs and I was writing about all of this stuff.
And I played Pendulum live at a, and I was opening for another artist at a concert venue and somebody from XM radio was there and they said,
yo, we need, I want to hear this song again.
Like, would you come on my show and play it?
His name is Ted Kelly.
And he had, he had a channel called UPOP.
And so I went on his show and they started playing, they started playing Pendulum in rotation on three or four different channels on XM radio.
And I started getting letters from all over the world.
And people were telling me, wow, the song like really speaks to me.
Some people were saying it's, you know, their favorite song now.
Like, I'm like, whoa, you know, I'm just like this little unknown person from, you know, backwater, you know, Eastern Shore of Maryland.
Like, you know, I'm getting, you know, fan mail, like just so much of it, like from all different countries.
People were hearing this on XM radio.
And then it got the attention of Peter Yerro from Peter Paul and Mary.
You guys remember that?
Yeah.
Singing group from the 60s.
You know, he's like icon of the civil rights movement and whatnot.
And so, you know, he got in touch with us and said he really wanted to meet.
And I, you know, I, at this point, this is like 2008 and my life had completely changed.
And I was being invited to do, to do events and to the Liberty organizations were contacting me.
And my wife started stalking Gary Franchi.
You guys know Gary?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Used to work for us.
Okay.
Yeah.
So she starts talking Gary Franchi because he, he had, he had, he had restored the Republic
and had been a protege of Aaron Russo and like, and he was organizing the Revolution March
in, in DC in July of 2008.
And I had, I had just learned like the beginning of 2008, I discovered Ron Paul.
So I was already awake.
Ron Paul isn't what woke me up, but I was very pleasantly surprised to discover
Ron Paul and that there was this politician that actually like told the truth and like
was, was, you know, believed the things that, that I had discovered on my own and that,
and I was so excited about him.
And Gary was organizing this, this rally and my wife stalked him and sent him songs
and they booked me to play at this.
So the Revolution March, I, I mean, I was so naive guys that I thought I was going
to have to start a movement.
Like that is, I had us how disconnected.
I did not know there was a movement and 15,000 people show up and I'm like,
Oh my God, what is happening?
This is crazy.
And I got to meet Ron Paul for the first time.
And there's a great picture of me with him where I, I'm wearing a black t-shirt
that says arrest Cheney first.
And I think he really liked it.
And, and you know, but, but that was the beginning of a relationship.
And I, you know, I met Ernest Hancock for the first time there.
He became a very important person to me.
You know, he's got this great podcast, Clare your independence.
And, but he became like a, like a, like a, another father figure in my life.
And, and he's a very important person.
I just love him like family, him and his whole family.
And, but that's where I met him and Gary too.
Gary is one of my dearest friends and has been since 2008.
You know, this is, it's like almost 20 year relationship because of this
song pendulum.
And so around this time I get invited to New York to go to meet Peter Yerrow.
And I got booked at, I booked some shows and he came to one of my shows.
And that was really cool.
But we're at his apartment in the East village, you know, Peter, Peter passed
recently, but he invites us up to his apartment and he's got pictures of
himself all over the walls with like JFK and Martin Luther King.
And it's like, whoa, this is wild.
And he said, he sits me down and he's like, I really, really want you to play
pendulum for me.
And I said, okay, sure.
I'd love to.
So I played it for him.
And he, and he's, he brings his chair up close to me to where his
knees are just about touching my knees.
Okay.
So we're sitting in front of each other.
He's really intense.
He's leaning forward.
He's looking in my eyes.
And you know, and my mom like raised me on their music.
So I was already kind of, I was a fan.
You know, I grew up on their music.
And he, he's smiling at me the whole time.
And then I finished and he's like, you know, that was wonderful performance.
He's like, would you mind playing it again?
And I'm like, okay, yeah, sure.
Okay, I'll play it again.
So this time I gave it everything I had.
I mean, I was, it was passionate, right?
And he's smiling the entire time.
And then I ended it and he looks at me and he's like, you're going to
think I'm crazy.
But would you play it one more time?
And now I'm getting frustrated.
I'm like, what is happening here?
Like this is not an, I mean, this isn't a normal thing anyway,
but this is weird.
Why does he, and I look at Mary and she's like, she gives me the,
the telepathic communication because she's like, just do it.
You know, we're here.
This is what he wants.
Just do it.
So I played it again.
And in the middle of the song, I had this revelation.
I started really listening to the words in the song.
And it turns out that the verses of this song are answers to the
questions that are being asked in Bob Dylan's song,
A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I mentioned earlier because I
had that, that voice that I heard at that performance.
I'll know my song well before I start singing.
And I start realizing that like in Hard Rain's Gonna Fall,
you guys, where have you been my blue-eyed son?
Where have you been my darling young one?
And then the answer, you know, is I've been here and there.
And you know, what did you hear my blue-eyed son?
Well, I heard this and this and this and this.
And pendulum, the verses correspond directly to those
questions.
And I had this revelation and it's like blowing my mind as
I'm singing it.
And as soon as I'm done, I'm like, I don't know what you're
up to, Peter, but I realized this and I told him what I
just told you.
And without missing a beat, he says, well, you know where
Bobby got that song from.
And I'm like, what do you mean, Bobby?
You mean Bob Dylan?
You call him Bobby?
Okay.
He says, Bobby got that song from a 15th century English
folk song called Lord Randall.
And he reaches his hand out and pulls the guitar off
the wall and just starts playing the song and sings the
whole thing to me.
And I can hear the genesis of Hard Rain's Gonna Fall in
this song because it's where have ye been, Lord Randall,
my son, where have ye been, my darling young one?
And it's a mother holding her son who's dying in her
arms and he's been shot and stabbed and poisoned.
And she's trying to figure out who killed him.
And he's dying and he's trying to tell her what
happened.
And I can hear the structure of Hard Rain's Gonna
Fall.
And I had this like crazy moment where I was in this
time warp where Peter Yerrow, this icon of the
60s is, I'm in his apartment and he's singing me a
song that was written in the 15th century by some
unknown English bard who influenced Bob Dylan
in 1962 to write this iconic cultural anthem that
somehow cosmically transmitted itself into me
half asleep in 2006 to write this song that had
changed my life and had set me on this trajectory
to be a voice for the anti-war movement and for
Liberty.
And it was just like, it's just crazy.
This is kind of stuff that has happened.
But Pendulum was the genesis of all of that
that led me on this path.
And it ended up causing me to develop a
following and I ended up doing a lot of shows
with Dr. Paul on the presidential campaign in
2012 and before because I was getting invited to
do a lot of shows and a lot of protest shows
and that he would be at and they would always
put me on right before him.
And so I would always get to introduce him and
we developed kind of a stick that way.
And I would get, you know, your next president
everybody, Ron Paul, and he would come out.
So I was like his hype man, you know, for a
long time.
And then when the campaign came around, they
invited me to participate and that was just,
you know, one of the great thrills in my life.
Yeah, dude.
What a great origin story, you know?
I mean, most of the site like Ron Paul or Alex
Jones or the activist formerly known as
Alex Jones, right?
I know you did that too.
But, you know, but that wasn't what set you down
that path.
You had a really crazy different story meeting
that guy.
And I mean, that's amazing, dude.
And it's, I'm glad you overcame that depression.
I know that's a lot for people when they first
wake up.
I imagine that's happening to half the country right
now, you know, and they're, they're in this denial
with this, with, with the complete level of horror
that our elected officials live in, you know?
But, and yeah, man, we, Jason and I, I don't
know if Jason remembers that, but I think we met
in 2018 in New Orleans.
Didn't you play like the Mises Caucus?
I sure did.
Yeah.
Yeah, we met you there.
Jason and I were there like we were pressed
for the libertarian convention, but we had
like kind of skipped out on that and went to the
Mises Caucus and hung out over there instead.
That was more fun, right?
But yeah, man, so like my questions on the
same like line of thinking here, you know, like
during the campaigns for Ron Paul, like in 08
and 12, you know, like your music, like you,
like you were the hype man, right?
Your music is kind of like a literal heartbeat
for the, the, the re-levelution, you
know?
And you had songs like the light of the
revolution, you know, it's like these rallying
anthems of hope and stuff like that and
pendulum as well.
And, you know, later on, you know, after
that was all over, you kind of released,
you released a little bit more of an aggressive
song, like arm yourselves, right?
Sure.
And it's noticeably different, you know, if
you listen to those songs side by side,
you know, one's got, it's heavier and
it's, it's not like the other two songs
that I just mentioned.
So it's like a shift in the, in the
movement from like asking for liberty to
basically asserting it, right?
Right.
Before the show, we were talking about our
previous guest, Ann Cap Tim, you know, he
talked about how music tries, you know,
kind of opens the mind subconsciously.
And looking at the trajectory from like
those earlier acoustic rallies to this
more defiant one, I know that's been
11 years ago, right?
Like arm yourselves, I'm just curious
about your perspective on this cultural
shift, right?
So, you know, we look back at your
decades long journey, how has the
soundtrack of the revolution
evolved like alongside the movement
itself?
And, and does like that more aggressive
tone in 2015 reflect like a loss of
innocence in the liberty movement?
Or just more like a mature understanding
of the, of the fight that we're in?
I think it's both.
That's a really great question.
I think it's both, you know, I
really became just, just very, I
guess, radicalized, you know, in
liberty through this whole process.
And, you know, arm yourselves was
something that, that was just kind of
in there, I could hear it.
You know, and I think, you know, there
were probably people that, I had, I
had a lot of hard rock stuff, you
know, on my Liberty album, I had a
lot, you know, some pretty, pretty
hard rock and tunes.
So it wasn't totally out of character
for me.
And I mean, I grew up listening to
Metallica and Pantera and, you know,
like the harder bands and I, you know,
I love all that stuff.
So that is definitely like a flavor.
But I'm also, I also grew up on Bob
Dillon and John Denver.
So like the, the acoustic protest
ballads, you know, you can, you can
still do a protest song and have it
not necessarily just be, you know,
GC and D. And, but arm, arm yourselves,
I had this, I had this vision of
two songs where one tells
the story with, with lyrics and
the other tells the rest of the story
just instrumentally.
And that was the second half, which is
the song called Act Three.
And so that I released them kind of
like an, I mean, there aren't A
side and B sides anymore, but like
that kind of idea, like there were
two songs that were meant to be
played back to back.
And I remember like the first time
I played arm yourselves in Act
Three together, the audience just
went completely bonkers because I,
I held nothing back.
Like that, that's something about like the
live shows, like that, that's where I
think I really shine and it's where I'm
the most happy is when I'm on stage.
You know, the studio environment can
be very stressful and it is a
creative process, but it's, you know,
there's, there's so much
riding on it because what you record
is preserved for all time.
But when you're, when you're live,
it's like more kind of magical moments
can happen and things that you didn't
expect would happen and you're
feeding off the energy of the people
and the crowd and they're feeding off of yours.
There's an exchange. And
when I played arm yourselves in Act
Three live the first time, I mean it was
like just like a tidal wave happened
and we all, like everybody felt it.
And so I knew, I knew that I had
to record this particular song
and or a couple of songs
and it's still, it's still like a fan
favorite for sure. Like I, I don't,
I don't know that there's been a show I've done
in the last 15,
14 years or whatever
since I wrote, since I put it out
that I haven't played it because
that's always one that gets requested.
But it is, it is a dark song.
It does paint a grim picture, but it's
a warning and it tells
people to arm themselves
one with the Holy Spirit.
Even the Founders knew without
the protection of divine providence,
we weren't going to get very far.
And so it says, you know, arm yourselves
with the ghost of the risen Son
and lay your armor on.
And then the second chorus is,
you know, arm yourselves to the teeth
which is with weapons and then
the, you know, to protect yourselves in your communities.
And then the third
chorus is arm yourselves with the truth.
You know, because
you know, the veil has lifted
and they're not playing around.
The hammer is coming down.
So, and I think we've
really seen the insidiousness
of that hammer
in the last, you know,
five, six years
what the real agenda
actually is and
I don't think anybody quite
is prepared for it.
I mean, the vast majority of folks.
As I mentioned, you know, I mean, we've been talking about the Epstein files
and how like this is a big trauma ritual.
But, you know, it's
in legal proceedings
they don't
release information
like this all at once
to the jury.
You know, they dole it out in small
amounts
and the judge
will usually provide guidance
around how that information
if it's sensitive, if it's disturbing
how that will be consumed
by the jury.
And, you know, a lot of times more aggressive
attorneys will
who have less scruples will do
data dumps on juries to
traumatize them to get a particular type of outcome.
And, but in this case
with all the redactions
it I think it really is putting
people into a kind of
mental loop where their minds
are aware of the
horror but there's no definitive
answer.
You know, and it's still a mystery
so your mind is stuck in this loop
where
you can't make heads or tails of it
you just know that
the enormity of it and
the details that you do get
are so horrifying
that it will either send you into
a place of obsession or absolute
despondency and complacency.
And I think that is by design
that is part of
what would
end goal of what they're trying to accomplish
by releasing this the way that they have.
Learned helplessness.
Yeah, and, you know
what comes next, right?
And so, you know
how things have evolved for me
because I've known about this stuff
for many, many years as I mentioned
you know, I watched
the Liberty movement sort of
implode with the Trump
phenomenon. And I saw
people that I never
ever thought in a million years would be
Trump people become hardcore Trump people
and, you know
to each his own. And I saw many, many
more people just go back to sleep
and, you know, the events
would go from having thousands of people
to having hundreds to having dozens
and
to the point where people just stopped having events
because they're just what
there just wasn't the fervor
anymore for the
for the subject matter and
you know, like as though
Donald Trump was going to solve all of our problems
right? And
that was very disturbing to me
to see, you know, hardcore
Liberty people just kind of like
hang up their
gloves and retire
from all of this. And
I also realized that
I was missing
a ton from
of my children's childhood
and, you know, I have seven kids
and I had missed a lot
and so because I, you know, I was touring
three weeks out of the month
for years and years and years. And so
I didn't miss everything but I missed
important things that I wish I hadn't
and so I took some time off
for on 2018 I stopped touring
and I just did like individual shows
and I really started
injecting more
spiritual concepts into the songs.
I really started like really like doing
a deep dive into my faith and
and that really started making more
appearances in the music and
I started taking on causes too
and, you know, they're like
like two political prisoners that I've
supported who have, thank God, been
released were Shaefer Cox and
Ross Ulbrich. And
you know, I
wrote a song for Levoie Finnecombe, if you guys
remember that story, the
Arizona rancher who was murdered
by federal agents in
Oregon as part of the Bundy
standoff at the Malier Wildlife Refuge
and like I was very close to all of that
I was actually supposed to perform
at the Malier Wildlife Refuge
for those guys
on February the 5th
in 2016.
And I ended up playing
at Levoie's funeral instead
on the same day. So
the concert still happened
but it was at Levoie's funeral rather
than at the refuge.
Holy shit, I did not know that. That's
crazy. Yeah. Well, I
had contacted Amon Bundy
and he said that they would really love for me to come
and so I had planned it all out
I was gonna go
and, you know, January
26th
I believe it was the date
you know, I knew a lot of people that were there
I knew a lot of people that were connected to it
both like political leaders
and elected officials and people on the ground
and I was very close to it all
and
the night that Levoie was killed
I really had a very very strong
reaction
to that and I wrote this song that night
I put it out
the next day on YouTube
or the next evening
and by the following morning it had 25,000 views
between the hours
of midnight and 8am
and the day after that
excuse me Levoie Finnecombe's daughter calls me
and she says, you know, we're
we're all listening to your song
on repeat at our house
and people keep coming over we play it again
she says, you know, I'm just so thankful that you
wrote this so that my dad
won't be forgotten. Yeah.
And I couldn't imagine
in that moment like
a better
reason to write a song
than to commemorate the life
of a brave person
and I mean that's
more lasting than, you know, fame
or fortune that's like
you're having an impact that's on a much deeper level
and that was quite a moment
for me honestly when she called me
her name's Ariana
and then I was invited to play
at his funeral
on the same
but it happened to be the same day
that's
I would have been playing at the refuge
that was really wild. Wow man
yeah, no kidding and
boy talk about a transformation
right I mean you were just talking about how
some of the folks that you surrounded yourself
with and the Liberty movement kind of
shifted towards more of the
right-leaning mega camp
supporting Trump and
yeah I mean boy what a departure
right from going from the Bundy Ranch
type of situation to now
like you know justifying
defending things that the feds
are doing killing American
citizens I mean there really has been
a clear shift
and it really is disappointing
to me in many ways
and frustrating too because I feel like
yeah a lot of these people should have known better right
like they should have had the knowledge
they should have had the understanding
of what these principles that you know
the Dr. Ron Paul the good Dr. Ron Paul
was preaching for so many years
to not ever
go back towards
the realm of statism and utilizing the
state's violence you know
so yeah I mean I'm personally
we talk about this all the time and
it is hard to watch
there's so very few of us still
kind of principled
Ron Paulian types of people
that are still doing this work you know
it has been fragmented unfortunately
and boy I know we could probably
have a whole conversation about that by itself
but we are
getting a little bit low on time now
but one of the things I did want to mention
before maybe we have you play a song
and I do have this question I think is important
but you know I'm a musician myself
I've played music for years
I also toured and made
albums and it feels like
a whole other life I don't bring it up often
on this podcast unless another guest happened to have
you know some I didn't know that about you
we had another guest a few
weeks back who went to recording
school down in Los Angeles
and so we had a brief moment there
talking about it I brought it up that true
yeah that's true one of the things
that I immediately recognized about you
Jordan was your passion when you were playing
man it certainly shines through
I mean it's powerful man
it's hard to avoid you get behind
the mic with your guitar and I could tell
I think anybody witnessing it could tell
your passion for the music
that you're playing and the words that you're
speaking but on that note
you know I kind of missed a lot of the
2008 campaign I kind of got
more involved and inspired around the
2012 campaign and the
energy during that time man it was just
electric you know to be honest I mean
I haven't really seen that much unity and
momentum from the Liberty movement
since it felt like a really special
time and it
did kind of lay the ground floor for
what I think many of our friends came
to be the connections and networks that we
currently you know enjoy and utilize
so there was a special alchemy there
and you know obviously
Ron Paul himself was a huge
momentum driver with his values and
principles and stuff like that
but I want to hear your thoughts about
what made it so special because I remember
Ron Paul once said something along the
lines of like if you can
ever bring about a revolutionary change
there's two things that will be
required young people and music
and so I wanted to ask you
like what you think it would take to
recreate a Ron Paul revolution
like that type of energy that type of
momentum that kind of magic
you know that we really believe that we
are on the right side of history and
nothing could really stop us so do you
I mean I know this might be kind of off
the cuff but can you maybe help us piece
together what that new Liberty Revolution
would kind of need to really fan the
flames of freedom and kind of get back
on course with like peace and Liberty
and economics and all these things that were
in the mainstream spotlight for a brief
period of time while Ron Paul campaigns
were active
well unfortunately I think that people
really need leadership
you know this I think Ron was really
trying to inspire a whole
generation of leaders
which I think in many ways he did
I mean he did a tremendous amount of good
and he educated you know the heck out
of so many people
you know we were still feeling the ripples of it
but I think that
there's gonna there would need to be a
leader who exemplifies those ideals
that people could get behind
I think that's a theme throughout history
yeah is inspiring
people that rise to the top
and say you know
you shall not pass and
that you know we're taking
principled stands on these issues
and you know you will not go any
further I mean without
strong leadership you know America
would not even have been formed
the way that it is and
you know I think people follow
Donald Trump because
he projects strength
and you know for better or worse
and you know I don't
think Ron I don't think Ron's
goal was to project strength
but he project
he projected hope
you know I remember guys we were
we were in South Carolina
it was 2011 it was
the first debate it was on
Cinco de Mayo and I was
at a tea party rally that
was watching the debate live on a huge
huge screen and
Ron Paul got 90
seconds of debate time
that's right over like two and a half
three hours 90 seconds
that's all they gave him
and but he took the 90
seconds that he had
to quote
Jesus on what America's
foreign policy should be
you know which is the golden rule
and he got booed
he was booed yeah
and that was the moment
where I knew I had backed the right
horse and he blew
off all the pundits
because they just had completely screwed
him over and he came to our rally
and I got to play the
light of revolution for him the campaign
song I had written for him for the first time
there in front of 1500 people
and him and it was really really great
but I think
strong leadership is needed
uncompromising
people that
have the kind of record that reflects
consistency
in standing up for these
principles you know I
love the liberty movement
I'm not here to disparage it
in any way I have mourned it
and what I
have seen how it's kind of like fallen
apart in many ways in some
ways though it fractured into factions
and into issues
you know I'm a very issue driven person
I care very much about
certain things I don't necessarily care about
all the things I care about certain things the most
you know and education
is one of those things which is
why you know my wife and I
we just launched this new
homeschool technology platform
to help people get out of the public school system
because that is
the
the root on the tree of tyranny
that must be cut if we're going to make
any kind of headway
against the forces that are at work in the world
because they have control of everybody's kids
and informed educated
mobilized populace
you know will not put up with this kind
of stuff I mean people right now
don't even know what to do
well what do we even do well you know
if you hadn't been raised by Caesar
you wouldn't be Romans
right now
and so we've
developed this platform called Firefly Education Network
it's at fireflyedu.org
and we've just launched
the mobile app is in Apple
and Google stores and it's online
and you know people can
access curriculum they can
have all the tools and resources and community that they need
to be successful at this
my wife and I have been homeschooling for 14 years
we built this for other families
like for the
express purpose of helping people
get out of that system
I think that is a
major first step in fomenting
a new
revolution it really begins at home
it really begins with the individual
and with the family
and strengthening families because
you know the powers
that should not be
have launched an all out assault
on families and you know
they've taken every
opportunity to wage war
on peoples
on their minds I mean all these kids are at war
with their own bodies
they're at war with the idea
of anything that doesn't
agree with them it's like
they're grown toddlers
and that is a
direct result of the public school system
like they have perpetrated this wickedness
on our society
and so we
believe in that you should withdraw
your consent to be governed
if you're being governed by madmen
you need to withdraw your consent
and
a lot of people again they need leadership
and we're just trying to provide leadership
at least in this arena
where we have innovated something
to be the infrastructure
for the worldwide homeschool movement
in every language
because this isn't just an American thing
the homeschool movement is booming all over the world
and so we made it internationally accessible
so that everybody can get out
I love that man
I didn't realize that
I remember hearing firefly at the barbecue
but I didn't realize that was something that you're a part of
so dude that's amazing
that's exactly what we need you're right
it starts at a young age
and the good news is that the homeschooling movement
has exploded since the COVID years
I mean I know my kids are homeschooled
I know Matt's were for a long period of time
as well we're
both stay at home dads for years
doing the second work you know so
but yeah man that's wonderful
and I couldn't agree more about the leader
aspect of this unfortunately that is
the hard truth you know it does feel like
even though we are individuals
and we like to think of ourselves as being kind of
decentralized leaders of our own type
I think it really does take
that one leader who has
that personality
that charm but also has
the knowledge, the framework
the history, the experience
to really move ahead
in any type of
bigger political race you know
we saw Trump kind of take root
when he was still kind of
trusted and believed with the words
and the rhetoric he was saying obviously that's
really kind of gone to the wayside now
and that kind of leads me to a point
is that you know you have to play the game
at this point I think Ron was
so successful because
he was telling people the hard
truths that they didn't want to hear
and that is kind of
you know through the Bernie Sanders years
and now with Trump like that's the exact opposite
of what the political strategy
that people just want to hear what they're going to get
for free and you know how the
the libs are going to be owned and
you know the political tribalism and all that stuff
so there has been a certainly a shift
in culturally speaking as well
but again that's a whole other
conversation and we are getting extremely low
on time so I was hoping
that we could have you play
my personal favorite
Jordan Page song
which is listen man that song
it gives me chills every time I hear it
I know it was published 16 years ago
and it's your second most listened to
a song on YouTube but
maybe just a couple words about it before
you get started and we could jump into it
sure sure listen
was I wrote listen
very soon after
my my pendulum experience
it was the next song that I wrote
I had just watched Alex Jones's
Endgame film
I don't know if you've ever seen this but it's a
very intense movie
and it took me two weeks
to get through it I had to do it in pieces
and this song
like I was playing with this
with this scale this Arabian scale
and I just heard
the words in my mind listen to the sound
that you hear like an echo in your head
there's a strange vibration rising out
of the heart of America
and you know it just
materialized and
I feel like I became an anti-war
activist just about overnight
from this from this song
it was like there's no coming back after
this song sure and
yeah I mean I think this
the song still holds up today
so yeah I'll be happy
to play it for you
can you hear the guitar okay
that was wonderful man
yeah
listen to the sound that you hear
like an echo in your head
there's a strange vibration
rising out
from the heart
of America
America
listen to the sound
of the drum calling
players to the game
of the new world order
don't be caught
unaware
when the head start
rolling
no it couldn't happen here
I know it wouldn't happen
here
and I will not submit
to authority
of man I'm alive
I'm awake this is more
than I can take
if you had an open door
would you kill a lizard
if I see
drones dropping bombs
on the suns of Arabia
listen to the sound
of applause
in a chamber full of men
selling their bare people
as they play
a salt
on the heart
of America
no it couldn't happen
here I know it never
happened here
authority of man
I'm alive
I'm awake this is more
than I can take
if you had an open door
war machine
in motion
the light in the eyes
of the innocent
yesterday
I knew the world
was spinning
to see the wasteland
and it
of a man
with a rifle in his hand
don't be
mistaken
I believe
in peace but I won't
be taken
great job dude
yeah man
I know I speak for Jason when I say that's not the first time that we've heard that song
but it's definitely the smallest audience we've ever been in
just us too
and it feels special man thank you for that
oh no you guys made me feel special
thank you very much
man
we do have a little hard stop here
but I want to try to squeeze in a white pill question for you
that's our
thing we do here
we always end on a positive note
even though this whole episode has been pretty damn positive
before we wrap it up
I just want to commend you
first
in an industry where most people sell their souls
to sell albums
you spent 15 years doing the exact opposite of that dude
and it's pretty badass
and you have the same consistency that we talked about
people not having an illiberty movement earlier during the podcast
you have that
so glad our paths have crossed over the years
all those times man
it's a pleasure
so yeah man there was
back in the early Ron Paul days
there was a fire in the air
we had this hope
we felt like this movement was getting massive
and drawing all these more and more people into it
we're in a different world today
and you know you're my age
I might be a year older than you
I'm almost 50
I'm 47 so
as someone who's been on the front lines
in those early Ron Paul days like Jason and I
all the way to the present now
I want to ask you this
for the white pills
and we were on a limited time frame
so we'll give the abridged version man
I apologize
do you still see the same fire
in the eyes of the next generation
of activists and creators coming up behind us
like we had back then
and like we still have now right
after everything you've seen in the decades
you've spent fighting a good fight
what gives you the most hope right now
when you look at younger independent thinkers
who are just now starting to realize
that the pendulum is swinging back
in our direction
I don't see it the same way
the liberty movement was not
exactly a Christ centered
movement back then
it was very much like principles
and it was common sense
and it was historical
understanding
I think a lot of people had
their faith was a big part of
how they got involved
and why they were so passionate
but I mean the libertarian
movement I think is very strongly
at least half
it's an atheist movement
the real passionate movement
I see coming up as really a Christian revival
and I think a lot of that
was really
stirred up by Charlie Kirk
and his work on college campuses
creating dialogue
giving his enemies a chance to speak
and just trying
to have peaceful
dialogue and then his
very public execution
has really lit a fire under a lot of people
I think on an individual
basis I'm seeing a huge revival
in young people
turning to the Lord
and it's
not a specifically libertarian
revival but I think
my favorite scripture is Second Corinthians
317 where the spirit
of God is
there is liberty
that's kind of my mantra
and I think that
that spirit is coming
back and people are embracing it
and they're starting to care about what's happening
so
I don't know
that we're ever going to recreate the Ron Paul movement
I don't know that that's
necessarily what needs to happen
but there needs to be a revival
of people in mass
caring about their freedom
and I think understanding
that we're being run by
satanic pedophile cannibals
is definitely
a hot poker
pushing people
in that direction
so
I think
I always have hope
I'm a disciple of Christ and he is not discouraged
so I
walk forward in that
my goal
is always to build the kingdom of God
on earth
and to spread love and peace
but that also means taking
very very strong stands
against things you can be for a lot of things
but there's also things you need to be against
woe unto those that call
good evil and evil good
and so that's where I'm standing
in my life and that's what I'm doing with my music
I've got a new album coming out
this year that is very
praise and worship centered
it's still a rock and record
it's kind of taking a dive
into more like
contemporary worship music
and it's pretty rad
I'm really excited about it
I think everybody has to
get off the couch
and just get off
Twitter and start doing things
in their local communities
they need to start having real conversations
with their neighbors and building community locally
because
the people that are running the show
do not have our best interests in mind
we have to withdraw
our consent to be governed
I refuse to be governed
by these people
I want nothing to do with them
they don't have any legal claims over me
or mine and so I think
if everybody has that attitude
and lives that way
we will see real change
I have no zero hope of reforming
the government
making that better
every single person in government
literally every single one
would need to not be allowed back
and have all new people
and then with only a matter of time
before the powers that corrupted the other ones
do the same thing to them
but you'd have a buffer at least
but human nature is what it is
and we
are susceptible to the forces of this world
and that's why I'm not putting my
stock in the forces of this world
I'm trying to be a force for good in this world
but
the power I serve
doesn't come from this world
and so
I think people need to turn
toward God
and find
their path forward with Him
they're not going to find it
chasing after political leaders
and putting all their hope in them
you're just always going to be disappointed
always
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man, before we get out of here
this has been a great podcast
thank you so much again for coming on
let's tell everybody where they can find and support your work
sure, well my music website
is jordanpage.net
super easy
the big projects right now are
Firefly Education Network
that's at fireflyedu.org
if you or someone you know wants to homeschool their kids
we have built infrastructure for you
we've built a platform for you
it's very affordable
and if you're looking for a like-minded
community that wants to get out of what they're selling
in the public school system, Firefly
is where you should go
we've got some really great partnerships so we're going to be announcing soon
and we're super stoked about that
I have a film coming out
at the end of March called The Book of Atlas
which is an animated superhero film
that's crypto centered
I've been in the crypto space since it really began
since 2010 I've watched it grow
from Bitcoin from 33 cents to what it is now
and I have a deep love of blockchain technology
and I created this superhero movie
that is tied to Firefly
so Firefly is a big component of it
but it's also like this really fun
epic crypto mythic
story that I came up with
we're going to be doing an online premiere
at thebookofatlas.com
and you'll be able to mint
your movie ticket like an NFT
and then watch the movie
and we're going to be developing it into a larger
a larger property and trying to expand it
and have a whole cinematic universe
that's really fun and I've also got the album
coming out later this year
and you'll be able to learn all about that
on my website as we
get closer to the release
so album Firefly and Book of Atlas
are my three really big things that are happening right now
and I'm just still
trying to stay alive and live as free
as we can
you sound like a busy man brother
thank you for taking the time to come on this podcast
it was a great one
and we'll have to do it again
I love it man
thanks guys thanks for having me on this was fun
thank you Jordan