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of liberty and the daunting task of government accountability. 01:48.580 --> 01:53.380 Here are your hosts, Jason Bassler and Matt Agarist. 01:57.990 --> 01:59.450 Hello again, Free Thinkers. 01:59.610 --> 02:02.070 Welcome back to the Free Thought Project Podcast. 02:02.070 --> 02:08.730 My name is Jason Bassler and joining me is the Free Thought Project Editor-in-Chief Matt Agarist. 02:09.190 --> 02:10.690 Thank you all for tuning in. 02:10.830 --> 02:16.330 Once again, we'll be speaking to a bona fide OG of the Ron Paul Revolution today. 02:16.690 --> 02:19.270 Someone I've long admired for his musical abilities. 02:19.790 --> 02:25.470 But as always, guys, first I'm going to power through a few opening announcements really quick. 02:26.810 --> 02:28.350 So you guys already know the drill. 02:28.350 --> 02:32.590 If you haven't yet, please subscribe, rate and review this podcast. 02:33.210 --> 02:35.430 Hit pause, take a brief moment to do this. 02:35.530 --> 02:38.990 It really 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and a half course up online. 04:09.910 --> 04:12.970 It felt like a better way to give people access to this information 04:12.970 --> 04:18.050 and you can learn at your own pace to empower yourself and to protect your family 04:18.050 --> 04:24.190 by knowing your rights through the seminar, which can be found at thesolutionaryuniversity.org. 04:24.610 --> 04:26.990 It's about half the price it was when I was doing it live 04:26.990 --> 04:30.050 and the good news is you can share the course with your friends and family. 04:30.430 --> 04:32.750 So definitely check it out and support my work. 04:35.150 --> 04:39.070 Alright, our guest today is someone Matt and myself had the pleasure 04:39.070 --> 04:45.550 of watching perform last August in Lake Jackson, Texas at Ron Paul's 90th birthday barbecue. 04:46.330 --> 04:48.810 Of course, being in the Liberty Movement for over a decade 04:48.810 --> 04:53.590 certainly wasn't our first time hearing his music or hearing his name. 04:54.090 --> 05:00.070 In fact, I saw him perform in February 2023 at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC 05:00.070 --> 05:05.390 at the Rage Against the War Machine Rally, which was an incredibly inspiring performance. 05:05.390 --> 05:13.130 But alas, our guest today is the magnificent anti-war musician, artist, and activist Jordan Page. 05:13.950 --> 05:19.390 Jordan has been a recognizable cultural figure in Liberty and anti-war space since the Ron Paul era 05:19.390 --> 05:22.210 and I'm certainly excited to have him joining us today. 05:22.950 --> 05:26.470 So Jordan, my apologies on it taking so long to get you on the show, man. 05:26.630 --> 05:30.170 We've been talking about this since last August, but you know, you're here now. 05:30.290 --> 05:33.870 We're thrilled to have you on and welcome to the Freethought Project podcast, my friend. 05:34.490 --> 05:37.910 Thanks, man. Thanks for having me on. Now, this is great. Yeah, no worries. 05:38.910 --> 05:41.590 Yeah, well, sometimes, you know, we do this once a week. 05:41.710 --> 05:47.890 So sometimes we have to push back episodes and things come up and one of us gets sick or can't make, you know, you know how it goes. 05:48.350 --> 05:56.410 But you've really cemented your place as the soundtrack to the Ron Paul Revolution for over two decades now. 05:56.590 --> 06:00.310 And I remember seeing your name and hearing your music way back in the early 2010s 06:00.310 --> 06:02.230 when I was first getting into all this. 06:02.830 --> 06:12.730 And I know you performed at multiple Ron Paul campaign events, not only in 2008, but also this 2012 presidential run. 06:13.070 --> 06:17.990 And I know that is just kind of the tip of the iceberg, you know, barely scratches the surface of your musical journey. 06:18.170 --> 06:23.730 But, you know, I do want to hear you perform at least one of your songs today on the show, which would be amazing. 06:24.170 --> 06:27.930 But I know you've earned your respect and credentials in a number of different ways. 06:27.930 --> 06:33.250 But I was thinking, you know, perhaps for our audience who might be unfamiliar with your work, 06:33.690 --> 06:37.470 maybe we could start with your origin story, like how you got involved with the Ron Paul Revolution, 06:37.950 --> 06:46.210 how you were inspired to create this music that aligned with Ron Paul's world views on things like the military industrial complex and civil liberties 06:46.210 --> 06:51.270 and how you became not just a supporter, but a symbol of the movement's cultural identity. 06:52.050 --> 06:55.270 Wow. Really great question, Jason. Wow. Okay. 06:55.270 --> 07:03.890 So it is, there is a story. And I, you know, I, a staple of my shows is storytelling. 07:04.230 --> 07:11.870 I always tell stories before every song. So like, you know, this is this part of this story is not very pleasant. 07:11.930 --> 07:19.950 And but it ends well. You know, I think we've all in the, I guess in the last month or so, a couple of months, 07:19.950 --> 07:28.750 we, the whole world has been subjected to what I would say is tantamount to a massive trauma ritual, like an occult ritual, 07:28.750 --> 07:37.370 where they have released millions of redacted documents of horror, like absolute horror. 07:37.670 --> 07:41.450 You know, like it's like this massive trauma ritual that's happening. 07:41.670 --> 07:44.990 I went through this in 2000 at the end of 2006. 07:45.970 --> 07:54.810 I knew about all this stuff back then. And it, I went from being a person who was completely apolitical. 07:55.210 --> 07:58.530 I like, I could not have had a conversation with folks like you back then. 07:58.690 --> 08:02.430 You know, I wouldn't have had the vocabulary to do it. 08:02.530 --> 08:08.310 And I thought that people that were obsessed with things like politics were, they had nothing better to do. 08:08.310 --> 08:14.810 That that's literally like where I was at. I was raised in an apolitical household, probably more Democrat leaning at the time. 08:15.050 --> 08:21.710 But it wasn't like nobody in my house was like a staunch Democrat or a staunch Republican or anything like that. 08:21.750 --> 08:27.450 And there was no talk of liberty. There was no talk of freedom. It was, there was no politics discussed at all. 08:27.770 --> 08:31.430 And so I had no foundation in any of that. 08:32.570 --> 08:38.110 I, you know, I was performing professionally. I was touring, you know, around the country. 08:38.390 --> 08:40.870 I was touring up and down the Mid-Atlantic, because I'm from Maryland originally. 08:42.650 --> 08:44.950 And I was just writing songs about my life. 08:45.770 --> 08:48.210 And, you know, I was playing in bars a lot guys. 08:49.090 --> 08:58.770 Play for, you know, I don't know, 25 people anywhere up to 100 people, you know, at a bar and just throw my own songs in mixed in with a bunch of covers. 08:58.770 --> 09:02.290 Trying to get people to drink, trying to get them to dance, just to have a good time. 09:02.950 --> 09:06.110 And then occasionally I would do a show that was just originals. 09:06.390 --> 09:10.910 And, you know, you kind of live for those types of shows, you know, I mean, it was a living. 09:11.190 --> 09:15.890 And I was making a living, I was making a good living doing what I love to do, which is play music. 09:17.570 --> 09:25.250 And I had this experience, well, there were two experiences that led me on this path. 09:25.990 --> 09:32.170 And the first one was, I was driving home one day, we were living in Annapolis, Maryland. 09:32.350 --> 09:34.610 My wife and I, we were still engaged at that point. 09:35.030 --> 09:41.190 And I was driving home and I see this man in a wheelchair trying to get up onto the curb at the supermarket. 09:41.450 --> 09:43.110 And I'm just this kind of person. 09:43.170 --> 09:46.970 And I pulled into the parking lot, got out, and I helped him up onto the curb. 09:47.410 --> 09:49.970 And his legs were amputated below the knee. 09:49.970 --> 09:56.170 And he was just this really kind of a spindly guy and had a very kind of effeminate voice. 09:56.390 --> 10:00.870 And he seemed very, very grateful and very eager to talk to someone. 10:01.310 --> 10:02.590 He seemed very lonely. 10:03.250 --> 10:07.070 And we got to talking and it turns out he lived in the same apartment complex. 10:07.550 --> 10:16.250 And we struck up a friendship and over about six months or so, you know, we had dinner, you know, probably a couple dozen times and did things with him. 10:16.250 --> 10:16.790 I helped him. 10:16.870 --> 10:20.170 I did favors for him here and there because I mean, he was literally all alone in the world. 10:20.730 --> 10:25.850 I always found it odd that his apartment was disgusting, but that he had all of this high-end art. 10:26.090 --> 10:31.430 He had like sculptures and busts and crystal chandeliers and expensive looking paintings. 10:31.750 --> 10:35.310 But yet, you know, his apartment was also a pigsty. 10:35.530 --> 10:39.710 It was like the decadent mixed with, you know, squalor. 10:39.870 --> 10:40.810 It was very weird. 10:41.130 --> 10:44.550 And I also found it weird that he had no one in his life, nobody. 10:44.550 --> 10:52.210 And, you know, one night he had invited us over for dinner and he, after dinner, I was playing the guitar for him. 10:52.230 --> 10:53.810 I was playing Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here. 10:54.550 --> 11:01.350 And he starts crying and, oh, I should mention that this guy had a disease that no one could explain. 11:01.790 --> 11:08.350 He was in medical journals and his body was literally like decomposing while he's still alive. 11:08.990 --> 11:09.730 And he didn't. 11:09.810 --> 11:10.130 Jesus. 11:10.130 --> 11:18.170 And he, you know, the doctors told him he would have been better off having AIDS than whatever this mysterious illness was that he had. 11:19.350 --> 11:21.330 And God, I haven't told the story in a long time. 11:22.830 --> 11:23.450 It's intense. 11:23.770 --> 11:27.910 So I'm playing Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here and he starts crying. 11:28.570 --> 11:30.990 And I look at Mary and I'm like, uh-oh. 11:31.350 --> 11:32.070 So I stopped playing. 11:32.210 --> 11:33.150 I said, buddy, what's wrong? 11:33.270 --> 11:33.850 Why are you crying? 11:34.070 --> 11:38.430 And he, under his breath, he says, I just feel like God has smited me. 11:38.970 --> 11:41.330 And I said, well, why do you feel like God would smite you? 11:41.550 --> 11:43.630 And he says, for the sins of my youth. 11:44.930 --> 11:49.230 And I looked at Mary and she's like, I don't know if we want to know. 11:49.570 --> 11:52.450 And I said, but you know, me, I'm the guy that pushes the button, right? 11:52.530 --> 11:54.770 And so I said, well, what did you do? 11:55.310 --> 12:02.930 And he said, all throughout the 70s and 80s, he ran an underground escort service for senators and congressmen with children. 12:03.310 --> 12:03.590 Oh. 12:03.590 --> 12:13.370 And that was sort of earth-shattering information that I could not even fathom that such a thing even goes on. 12:13.610 --> 12:21.250 This is how disconnected I was from the truth and the reality of what really is happening in the world. 12:21.890 --> 12:23.910 And he explained the whole thing to me. 12:24.690 --> 12:34.290 I mean, like he was a child trafficker and had clearly suffered the consequences for that. 12:35.550 --> 12:42.530 But he explained that 90% of elected officials in Congress are all being blackmailed. 12:42.670 --> 12:47.310 And that is how all these horrible bills get passed and nothing ever changes for the good. 12:47.470 --> 12:50.570 And it's because the entire government is run by blackmail. 12:50.570 --> 13:02.070 Now, he didn't say who was pulling those strings, but he explained the scam and the machine and that he had been a part of it for about 20 years. 13:03.330 --> 13:05.570 And this really blew my mind. 13:05.590 --> 13:17.390 And I started doing research and it just sent me down into the black hole of the information superhighway and that exists. 13:18.230 --> 13:21.650 And it just really changed me as a person. 13:22.130 --> 13:25.190 And I started to care about things I didn't care about before. 13:25.470 --> 13:33.910 And I started to look around me rather than just, you know, being self-centered and self-absorbed with my life. 13:34.990 --> 13:38.910 And about, it was December the 6th of that year. 13:39.070 --> 13:41.810 It was like, I guess, four or five months later. 13:42.430 --> 13:44.710 I had this terrible nightmare about George W. Bush. 13:45.250 --> 13:53.690 And I woke up at three o'clock in the morning and I just walked into my second bedroom, which was kind of my office. 13:54.190 --> 13:56.610 And I got on the computer and I just, I was like half asleep. 13:56.690 --> 13:59.510 Seriously, like I wasn't even thinking and just started typing. 14:00.030 --> 14:04.810 I'm just watching my fingers just move and then I'm looking at the screen and watching words appear. 14:04.910 --> 14:07.670 But it's not like I'm thinking these words. 14:08.050 --> 14:08.530 Okay. 14:08.930 --> 14:13.730 It was like my hands were moving and lyrics were appearing on the screen. 14:13.730 --> 14:15.850 And it wasn't even a song. It was just a poem. 14:17.590 --> 14:19.970 But I could tell it was extremely political. 14:20.310 --> 14:21.750 It had its political tones to it. 14:21.770 --> 14:24.010 And I still wasn't a super political person. 14:24.170 --> 14:25.970 I was just starting to learn things. 14:26.690 --> 14:29.970 And so I called a buddy of mine who was a political kind of guy. 14:30.170 --> 14:33.710 But, you know, I couldn't have told you the difference between the left and the right back then. 14:33.810 --> 14:35.910 But he was a very leftist kind of person. 14:36.530 --> 14:38.790 And I got his, I got, I had the wrong number. 14:38.790 --> 14:43.870 I called his mom and she was up because it was midnight in Seattle where she was. 14:44.130 --> 14:45.870 And she said, well, read it to me. 14:46.190 --> 14:50.450 So I read her the lyrics and she said, you know, that is really wonderful. 14:50.930 --> 14:55.250 She's like, but it makes me sad that someone your age feels this way about the country. 14:55.430 --> 14:56.790 She says, just remember something. 14:57.270 --> 14:59.690 The pendulum swings left and right. 15:00.390 --> 15:03.790 And just when you get tired of it being one way, it's going to go the other way. 15:04.430 --> 15:07.430 And something in my mind said, listen to her. 15:07.430 --> 15:10.430 I heard, it was like a voice I heard said, listen to her. 15:11.090 --> 15:20.650 And so I thanked her for listening and then we hung up and I noticed my guitar was sitting up against the bed that I didn't even know it was in there. 15:21.030 --> 15:28.650 And I grabbed the guitar and I just grabbed a G chord and just, you know, said the pendulum swings from the left to the right. 15:29.790 --> 15:33.630 And it was like, I took a hard look at the words that I had written. 15:34.590 --> 15:38.890 And I just wrote this chorus and plugged it in, you know, three or four times. 15:39.030 --> 15:40.910 And all of a sudden it was a complete song. 15:41.050 --> 15:42.670 It was like the music was already there. 15:43.850 --> 15:47.490 And this song pendulum changed my life completely. 15:48.030 --> 15:55.870 I played it for the first time, I guess three weeks after I'd written it at the Ram set on stage in Annapolis, Maryland, which is this great concert venue. 15:56.430 --> 15:58.070 And it was like a Christmas show. 15:58.150 --> 16:01.790 There were a lot of artists playing and every artist got two songs. 16:02.930 --> 16:06.610 And, you know, I did, I did, you do a Christmas song and you can do one of your own. 16:07.750 --> 16:11.910 And I, you know, I got them on my side with Oh Holy Night because everybody loves that one. 16:12.250 --> 16:15.510 And then I did pendulum and I was scared to death. 16:15.650 --> 16:18.370 I mean, I was literally shaking before I played this song. 16:19.870 --> 16:22.110 And my wife had to give me a pep talk. 16:23.170 --> 16:24.410 She's like, it's gonna be fine. 16:24.590 --> 16:25.490 Just get up there and do it. 16:26.050 --> 16:28.370 And because I did, I thought they were going to boom me off the stage. 16:28.450 --> 16:29.270 I truly did. 16:29.270 --> 16:36.170 And instead I got a standing ovation and it was the only standing ovation of the night. 16:36.630 --> 16:39.410 And I was just kind of blown away. 16:39.590 --> 16:51.310 And in this moment, I really felt God speaking to me saying, you see, they know what the song is about, but you need to go and really learn. 16:51.870 --> 17:01.890 And, you know, I was reminded of the song, the song, Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which said, I'll know my song well before I start singing. 17:03.290 --> 17:06.590 And I needed to go and learn and know my song well. 17:06.690 --> 17:07.310 I needed to learn. 17:07.470 --> 17:15.230 And so, you know, I dove straight into places like Alex Jones and folks like that. 17:15.230 --> 17:27.110 You know, I got just just really, really into the documentaries and watched American Freedom to Fashes and the Aaron Russo documentary about, you know, 9-11 and the New World Order and all of that. 17:27.330 --> 17:38.690 And, you know, Endgame and Obama Deception and all these documentaries that like laid out what, you know, at least a perspective on what is really going on in the world. 17:38.810 --> 17:39.710 And it was horrifying. 17:40.010 --> 17:41.950 I went through a deep depression for about two years. 17:41.950 --> 17:44.990 It was just, but I couldn't look away. 17:45.550 --> 17:49.290 I essentially did what everyone right now is doing with the Epstein files. 17:50.230 --> 18:01.830 It was total trauma and all of the pillars, not all the pillars, but many of the pillars of my life worldview crumbled before me. 18:02.250 --> 18:09.050 And I just learned terrible, terrible things and it was just a really, really sad time for me. 18:09.050 --> 18:15.870 And I really praised my wife for staying married to me after that period of time. 18:16.090 --> 18:17.010 She's a really good woman. 18:17.770 --> 18:24.910 But that was also a time of transformation where I was writing songs and I was writing about all of this stuff. 18:25.390 --> 18:35.190 And I played Pendulum live at a, and I was opening for another artist at a concert venue and somebody from XM radio was there and they said, 18:35.830 --> 18:39.190 yo, we need, I want to hear this song again. 18:39.310 --> 18:40.990 Like, would you come on my show and play it? 18:41.090 --> 18:41.990 His name is Ted Kelly. 18:42.310 --> 18:45.170 And he had, he had a channel called UPOP. 18:45.670 --> 18:55.490 And so I went on his show and they started playing, they started playing Pendulum in rotation on three or four different channels on XM radio. 18:55.490 --> 18:57.450 And I started getting letters from all over the world. 18:57.930 --> 19:01.590 And people were telling me, wow, the song like really speaks to me. 19:01.690 --> 19:04.190 Some people were saying it's, you know, their favorite song now. 19:04.190 --> 19:12.110 Like, I'm like, whoa, you know, I'm just like this little unknown person from, you know, backwater, you know, Eastern Shore of Maryland. 19:12.450 --> 19:18.410 Like, you know, I'm getting, you know, fan mail, like just so much of it, like from all different countries. 19:18.510 --> 19:19.890 People were hearing this on XM radio. 19:20.410 --> 19:24.970 And then it got the attention of Peter Yerro from Peter Paul and Mary. 19:25.370 --> 19:26.430 You guys remember that? 19:27.050 --> 19:27.430 Yeah. 19:27.610 --> 19:28.750 Singing group from the 60s. 19:28.950 --> 19:31.190 You know, he's like icon of the civil rights movement and whatnot. 19:31.190 --> 19:35.050 And so, you know, he got in touch with us and said he really wanted to meet. 19:35.470 --> 19:43.610 And I, you know, I, at this point, this is like 2008 and my life had completely changed. 19:43.670 --> 19:49.590 And I was being invited to do, to do events and to the Liberty organizations were contacting me. 19:50.030 --> 19:53.430 And my wife started stalking Gary Franchi. 19:53.550 --> 19:54.130 You guys know Gary? 19:54.490 --> 19:54.710 Oh, yeah. 19:55.150 --> 19:55.630 Yeah. 19:55.750 --> 19:56.530 Used to work for us. 19:56.770 --> 19:57.130 Okay. 19:57.650 --> 19:58.130 Yeah. 19:58.130 --> 19:58.350 Yeah. 19:58.730 --> 20:03.910 So she starts talking Gary Franchi because he, he had, he had, he had restored the Republic 20:03.910 --> 20:10.290 and had been a protege of Aaron Russo and like, and he was organizing the Revolution March 20:10.290 --> 20:13.490 in, in DC in July of 2008. 20:14.190 --> 20:19.610 And I had, I had just learned like the beginning of 2008, I discovered Ron Paul. 20:19.770 --> 20:21.030 So I was already awake. 20:21.270 --> 20:25.310 Ron Paul isn't what woke me up, but I was very pleasantly surprised to discover 20:25.310 --> 20:30.770 Ron Paul and that there was this politician that actually like told the truth and like 20:31.310 --> 20:38.010 was, was, you know, believed the things that, that I had discovered on my own and that, 20:38.050 --> 20:40.090 and I was so excited about him. 20:40.490 --> 20:46.410 And Gary was organizing this, this rally and my wife stalked him and sent him songs 20:47.170 --> 20:48.990 and they booked me to play at this. 20:49.090 --> 20:54.370 So the Revolution March, I, I mean, I was so naive guys that I thought I was going 20:54.370 --> 20:55.470 to have to start a movement. 20:56.290 --> 20:58.390 Like that is, I had us how disconnected. 20:58.630 --> 21:03.430 I did not know there was a movement and 15,000 people show up and I'm like, 21:03.470 --> 21:05.430 Oh my God, what is happening? 21:05.850 --> 21:07.010 This is crazy. 21:07.190 --> 21:09.270 And I got to meet Ron Paul for the first time. 21:09.270 --> 21:14.050 And there's a great picture of me with him where I, I'm wearing a black t-shirt 21:14.050 --> 21:15.590 that says arrest Cheney first. 21:16.410 --> 21:18.450 And I think he really liked it. 21:20.070 --> 21:23.630 And, and you know, but, but that was the beginning of a relationship. 21:23.630 --> 21:26.450 And I, you know, I met Ernest Hancock for the first time there. 21:26.490 --> 21:29.030 He became a very important person to me. 21:29.130 --> 21:31.450 You know, he's got this great podcast, Clare your independence. 21:32.110 --> 21:36.830 And, but he became like a, like a, like a, another father figure in my life. 21:36.890 --> 21:38.690 And, and he's a very important person. 21:38.830 --> 21:41.370 I just love him like family, him and his whole family. 21:41.790 --> 21:44.650 And, but that's where I met him and Gary too. 21:44.790 --> 21:47.630 Gary is one of my dearest friends and has been since 2008. 21:47.890 --> 21:52.030 You know, this is, it's like almost 20 year relationship because of this 21:52.030 --> 21:52.750 song pendulum. 21:53.490 --> 22:00.510 And so around this time I get invited to New York to go to meet Peter Yerrow. 22:00.690 --> 22:04.470 And I got booked at, I booked some shows and he came to one of my shows. 22:04.530 --> 22:05.290 And that was really cool. 22:05.670 --> 22:09.390 But we're at his apartment in the East village, you know, Peter, Peter passed 22:09.390 --> 22:15.010 recently, but he invites us up to his apartment and he's got pictures of 22:15.010 --> 22:19.210 himself all over the walls with like JFK and Martin Luther King. 22:19.430 --> 22:20.930 And it's like, whoa, this is wild. 22:20.930 --> 22:26.930 And he said, he sits me down and he's like, I really, really want you to play 22:26.930 --> 22:27.950 pendulum for me. 22:28.410 --> 22:30.250 And I said, okay, sure. 22:30.430 --> 22:31.190 I'd love to. 22:31.310 --> 22:32.270 So I played it for him. 22:32.590 --> 22:36.230 And he, and he's, he brings his chair up close to me to where his 22:36.230 --> 22:38.890 knees are just about touching my knees. 22:39.090 --> 22:39.330 Okay. 22:39.390 --> 22:40.810 So we're sitting in front of each other. 22:40.890 --> 22:41.810 He's really intense. 22:42.110 --> 22:43.210 He's leaning forward. 22:43.430 --> 22:44.850 He's looking in my eyes. 22:45.170 --> 22:47.810 And you know, and my mom like raised me on their music. 22:47.810 --> 22:49.470 So I was already kind of, I was a fan. 22:49.470 --> 22:51.270 You know, I grew up on their music. 22:52.490 --> 22:55.030 And he, he's smiling at me the whole time. 22:55.150 --> 22:58.370 And then I finished and he's like, you know, that was wonderful performance. 22:58.550 --> 23:00.050 He's like, would you mind playing it again? 23:00.670 --> 23:03.470 And I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. 23:03.590 --> 23:04.310 Okay, I'll play it again. 23:04.590 --> 23:07.270 So this time I gave it everything I had. 23:07.370 --> 23:09.330 I mean, I was, it was passionate, right? 23:10.070 --> 23:12.050 And he's smiling the entire time. 23:12.550 --> 23:16.350 And then I ended it and he looks at me and he's like, you're going to 23:16.350 --> 23:17.210 think I'm crazy. 23:17.630 --> 23:19.750 But would you play it one more time? 23:20.170 --> 23:21.630 And now I'm getting frustrated. 23:22.030 --> 23:24.170 I'm like, what is happening here? 23:24.470 --> 23:27.670 Like this is not an, I mean, this isn't a normal thing anyway, 23:27.790 --> 23:29.510 but this is weird. 23:30.070 --> 23:33.670 Why does he, and I look at Mary and she's like, she gives me the, 23:33.670 --> 23:38.050 the telepathic communication because she's like, just do it. 23:38.310 --> 23:40.270 You know, we're here. 23:40.650 --> 23:41.590 This is what he wants. 23:41.790 --> 23:42.290 Just do it. 23:42.350 --> 23:43.370 So I played it again. 23:44.190 --> 23:46.630 And in the middle of the song, I had this revelation. 23:46.630 --> 23:50.830 I started really listening to the words in the song. 23:51.190 --> 23:58.770 And it turns out that the verses of this song are answers to the 23:58.770 --> 24:02.930 questions that are being asked in Bob Dylan's song, 24:03.390 --> 24:06.450 A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, which I mentioned earlier because I 24:06.450 --> 24:10.470 had that, that voice that I heard at that performance. 24:10.810 --> 24:12.890 I'll know my song well before I start singing. 24:12.890 --> 24:16.750 And I start realizing that like in Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, 24:16.910 --> 24:18.810 you guys, where have you been my blue-eyed son? 24:18.950 --> 24:20.450 Where have you been my darling young one? 24:20.770 --> 24:26.470 And then the answer, you know, is I've been here and there. 24:26.670 --> 24:28.890 And you know, what did you hear my blue-eyed son? 24:28.990 --> 24:30.470 Well, I heard this and this and this and this. 24:31.270 --> 24:35.330 And pendulum, the verses correspond directly to those 24:35.330 --> 24:35.910 questions. 24:36.710 --> 24:40.310 And I had this revelation and it's like blowing my mind as 24:40.310 --> 24:41.430 I'm singing it. 24:41.890 --> 24:44.610 And as soon as I'm done, I'm like, I don't know what you're 24:44.610 --> 24:47.490 up to, Peter, but I realized this and I told him what I 24:47.490 --> 24:48.010 just told you. 24:48.430 --> 24:51.330 And without missing a beat, he says, well, you know where 24:51.330 --> 24:53.050 Bobby got that song from. 24:53.530 --> 24:55.110 And I'm like, what do you mean, Bobby? 24:55.290 --> 24:56.070 You mean Bob Dylan? 24:56.250 --> 24:56.890 You call him Bobby? 24:57.190 --> 24:57.210 Okay. 24:58.110 --> 25:01.950 He says, Bobby got that song from a 15th century English 25:01.950 --> 25:04.510 folk song called Lord Randall. 25:04.910 --> 25:07.490 And he reaches his hand out and pulls the guitar off 25:07.490 --> 25:10.370 the wall and just starts playing the song and sings the 25:10.370 --> 25:11.090 whole thing to me. 25:11.470 --> 25:15.650 And I can hear the genesis of Hard Rain's Gonna Fall in 25:15.650 --> 25:18.490 this song because it's where have ye been, Lord Randall, 25:18.570 --> 25:20.930 my son, where have ye been, my darling young one? 25:21.210 --> 25:24.150 And it's a mother holding her son who's dying in her 25:24.150 --> 25:26.050 arms and he's been shot and stabbed and poisoned. 25:26.410 --> 25:27.870 And she's trying to figure out who killed him. 25:28.110 --> 25:31.230 And he's dying and he's trying to tell her what 25:31.230 --> 25:31.670 happened. 25:32.270 --> 25:35.190 And I can hear the structure of Hard Rain's Gonna 25:35.190 --> 25:35.550 Fall. 25:35.550 --> 25:41.270 And I had this like crazy moment where I was in this 25:41.270 --> 25:44.470 time warp where Peter Yerrow, this icon of the 25:44.470 --> 25:48.230 60s is, I'm in his apartment and he's singing me a 25:48.230 --> 25:51.070 song that was written in the 15th century by some 25:51.070 --> 25:54.870 unknown English bard who influenced Bob Dylan 25:54.870 --> 25:59.790 in 1962 to write this iconic cultural anthem that 25:59.790 --> 26:03.410 somehow cosmically transmitted itself into me 26:03.410 --> 26:07.930 half asleep in 2006 to write this song that had 26:07.930 --> 26:10.350 changed my life and had set me on this trajectory 26:10.350 --> 26:14.310 to be a voice for the anti-war movement and for 26:14.310 --> 26:14.570 Liberty. 26:15.450 --> 26:17.990 And it was just like, it's just crazy. 26:18.590 --> 26:20.610 This is kind of stuff that has happened. 26:20.930 --> 26:24.470 But Pendulum was the genesis of all of that 26:24.470 --> 26:25.670 that led me on this path. 26:25.970 --> 26:30.010 And it ended up causing me to develop a 26:30.010 --> 26:32.630 following and I ended up doing a lot of shows 26:32.630 --> 26:35.010 with Dr. Paul on the presidential campaign in 26:35.010 --> 26:38.250 2012 and before because I was getting invited to 26:38.250 --> 26:40.710 do a lot of shows and a lot of protest shows 26:41.230 --> 26:42.990 and that he would be at and they would always 26:42.990 --> 26:44.470 put me on right before him. 26:44.870 --> 26:46.770 And so I would always get to introduce him and 26:46.770 --> 26:49.010 we developed kind of a stick that way. 26:49.870 --> 26:52.110 And I would get, you know, your next president 26:52.110 --> 26:53.990 everybody, Ron Paul, and he would come out. 26:54.230 --> 26:56.790 So I was like his hype man, you know, for a 26:56.790 --> 26:57.370 long time. 26:57.590 --> 26:59.510 And then when the campaign came around, they 26:59.510 --> 27:01.530 invited me to participate and that was just, 27:01.530 --> 27:02.990 you know, one of the great thrills in my life. 27:03.410 --> 27:04.190 Yeah, dude. 27:04.470 --> 27:06.970 What a great origin story, you know? 27:08.290 --> 27:11.550 I mean, most of the site like Ron Paul or Alex 27:11.550 --> 27:13.750 Jones or the activist formerly known as 27:13.750 --> 27:14.570 Alex Jones, right? 27:15.770 --> 27:17.510 I know you did that too. 27:17.870 --> 27:20.510 But, you know, but that wasn't what set you down 27:20.510 --> 27:21.070 that path. 27:21.250 --> 27:24.330 You had a really crazy different story meeting 27:24.330 --> 27:24.870 that guy. 27:25.570 --> 27:27.230 And I mean, that's amazing, dude. 27:27.350 --> 27:29.250 And it's, I'm glad you overcame that depression. 27:29.250 --> 27:31.110 I know that's a lot for people when they first 27:31.110 --> 27:31.690 wake up. 27:31.810 --> 27:33.910 I imagine that's happening to half the country right 27:33.910 --> 27:36.190 now, you know, and they're, they're in this denial 27:36.190 --> 27:40.010 with this, with, with the complete level of horror 27:40.010 --> 27:43.290 that our elected officials live in, you know? 27:43.850 --> 27:46.150 But, and yeah, man, we, Jason and I, I don't 27:46.150 --> 27:47.990 know if Jason remembers that, but I think we met 27:47.990 --> 27:49.650 in 2018 in New Orleans. 27:49.810 --> 27:51.110 Didn't you play like the Mises Caucus? 27:51.610 --> 27:52.090 I sure did. 27:52.270 --> 27:52.390 Yeah. 27:52.430 --> 27:53.970 Yeah, we met you there. 27:54.470 --> 27:56.150 Jason and I were there like we were pressed 27:56.150 --> 27:58.270 for the libertarian convention, but we had 27:58.270 --> 27:59.830 like kind of skipped out on that and went to the 27:59.830 --> 28:01.590 Mises Caucus and hung out over there instead. 28:03.470 --> 28:04.650 That was more fun, right? 28:07.190 --> 28:10.030 But yeah, man, so like my questions on the 28:10.030 --> 28:12.010 same like line of thinking here, you know, like 28:12.010 --> 28:15.070 during the campaigns for Ron Paul, like in 08 28:15.070 --> 28:17.290 and 12, you know, like your music, like you, 28:17.510 --> 28:18.850 like you were the hype man, right? 28:18.950 --> 28:20.530 Your music is kind of like a literal heartbeat 28:20.530 --> 28:23.590 for the, the, the re-levelution, you 28:23.590 --> 28:23.790 know? 28:24.690 --> 28:26.730 And you had songs like the light of the 28:26.730 --> 28:28.530 revolution, you know, it's like these rallying 28:28.530 --> 28:30.230 anthems of hope and stuff like that and 28:30.230 --> 28:31.070 pendulum as well. 28:31.510 --> 28:34.330 And, you know, later on, you know, after 28:34.330 --> 28:35.850 that was all over, you kind of released, 28:36.010 --> 28:37.470 you released a little bit more of an aggressive 28:37.470 --> 28:39.570 song, like arm yourselves, right? 28:40.390 --> 28:40.570 Sure. 28:40.730 --> 28:42.290 And it's noticeably different, you know, if 28:42.290 --> 28:43.850 you listen to those songs side by side, 28:43.970 --> 28:45.650 you know, one's got, it's heavier and 28:45.650 --> 28:48.210 it's, it's not like the other two songs 28:48.210 --> 28:48.930 that I just mentioned. 28:49.590 --> 28:52.390 So it's like a shift in the, in the 28:52.990 --> 28:55.330 movement from like asking for liberty to 28:55.330 --> 28:56.950 basically asserting it, right? 28:57.470 --> 28:57.630 Right. 28:58.330 --> 28:59.790 Before the show, we were talking about our 28:59.790 --> 29:01.530 previous guest, Ann Cap Tim, you know, he 29:01.530 --> 29:03.270 talked about how music tries, you know, 29:03.470 --> 29:05.530 kind of opens the mind subconsciously. 29:06.290 --> 29:08.470 And looking at the trajectory from like 29:08.470 --> 29:10.370 those earlier acoustic rallies to this 29:10.370 --> 29:12.170 more defiant one, I know that's been 29:12.170 --> 29:13.370 11 years ago, right? 29:14.470 --> 29:16.030 Like arm yourselves, I'm just curious 29:16.030 --> 29:17.810 about your perspective on this cultural 29:17.810 --> 29:18.470 shift, right? 29:18.650 --> 29:20.490 So, you know, we look back at your 29:21.330 --> 29:23.690 decades long journey, how has the 29:23.690 --> 29:25.730 soundtrack of the revolution 29:26.430 --> 29:28.390 evolved like alongside the movement 29:28.390 --> 29:28.850 itself? 29:29.530 --> 29:31.830 And, and does like that more aggressive 29:31.830 --> 29:34.350 tone in 2015 reflect like a loss of 29:34.350 --> 29:35.390 innocence in the liberty movement? 29:35.430 --> 29:38.050 Or just more like a mature understanding 29:38.050 --> 29:39.910 of the, of the fight that we're in? 29:40.450 --> 29:41.570 I think it's both. 29:41.770 --> 29:43.410 That's a really great question. 29:43.690 --> 29:46.450 I think it's both, you know, I 29:46.450 --> 29:50.790 really became just, just very, I 29:50.790 --> 29:53.330 guess, radicalized, you know, in 29:54.750 --> 29:56.370 liberty through this whole process. 29:57.470 --> 29:59.150 And, you know, arm yourselves was 29:59.150 --> 30:01.350 something that, that was just kind of 30:01.350 --> 30:02.790 in there, I could hear it. 30:03.270 --> 30:04.830 You know, and I think, you know, there 30:04.830 --> 30:07.930 were probably people that, I had, I 30:07.930 --> 30:09.490 had a lot of hard rock stuff, you 30:09.490 --> 30:11.090 know, on my Liberty album, I had a 30:11.090 --> 30:12.090 lot, you know, some pretty, pretty 30:12.090 --> 30:12.870 hard rock and tunes. 30:13.230 --> 30:15.050 So it wasn't totally out of character 30:15.050 --> 30:15.510 for me. 30:15.590 --> 30:16.750 And I mean, I grew up listening to 30:16.750 --> 30:19.230 Metallica and Pantera and, you know, 30:19.230 --> 30:21.310 like the harder bands and I, you know, 30:21.310 --> 30:22.130 I love all that stuff. 30:22.230 --> 30:24.050 So that is definitely like a flavor. 30:24.450 --> 30:26.070 But I'm also, I also grew up on Bob 30:26.070 --> 30:27.010 Dillon and John Denver. 30:28.030 --> 30:30.290 So like the, the acoustic protest 30:30.290 --> 30:32.230 ballads, you know, you can, you can 30:32.230 --> 30:34.070 still do a protest song and have it 30:34.070 --> 30:36.210 not necessarily just be, you know, 30:36.330 --> 30:39.230 GC and D. And, but arm, arm yourselves, 30:39.550 --> 30:41.310 I had this, I had this vision of 30:41.310 --> 30:44.390 two songs where one tells 30:44.390 --> 30:47.170 the story with, with lyrics and 30:47.170 --> 30:48.990 the other tells the rest of the story 30:48.990 --> 30:50.310 just instrumentally. 30:50.430 --> 30:52.310 And that was the second half, which is 30:52.310 --> 30:53.430 the song called Act Three. 30:54.250 --> 30:55.730 And so that I released them kind of 30:55.730 --> 30:57.710 like an, I mean, there aren't A 30:57.710 --> 30:59.510 side and B sides anymore, but like 30:59.510 --> 31:00.910 that kind of idea, like there were 31:00.910 --> 31:02.890 two songs that were meant to be 31:02.890 --> 31:04.730 played back to back. 31:05.230 --> 31:06.990 And I remember like the first time 31:06.990 --> 31:08.850 I played arm yourselves in Act 31:08.850 --> 31:10.810 Three together, the audience just 31:10.810 --> 31:13.070 went completely bonkers because I, 31:13.210 --> 31:15.290 I held nothing back. 31:15.290 --> 31:17.110 Like that, that's something about like the 31:17.110 --> 31:18.650 live shows, like that, that's where I 31:18.650 --> 31:20.130 think I really shine and it's where I'm 31:20.130 --> 31:22.950 the most happy is when I'm on stage. 31:23.630 --> 31:24.870 You know, the studio environment can 31:24.870 --> 31:27.270 be very stressful and it is a 31:27.270 --> 31:29.130 creative process, but it's, you know, 31:29.190 --> 31:31.190 there's, there's so much 31:31.190 --> 31:32.950 riding on it because what you record 31:32.950 --> 31:34.630 is preserved for all time. 31:34.790 --> 31:36.170 But when you're, when you're live, 31:36.390 --> 31:38.710 it's like more kind of magical moments 31:38.710 --> 31:40.090 can happen and things that you didn't 31:40.090 --> 31:41.710 expect would happen and you're 31:41.710 --> 31:43.610 feeding off the energy of the people 31:43.610 --> 31:45.290 and the crowd and they're feeding off of yours. 31:45.390 --> 31:47.290 There's an exchange. And 31:47.790 --> 31:49.530 when I played arm yourselves in Act 31:49.530 --> 31:51.490 Three live the first time, I mean it was 31:51.490 --> 31:53.350 like just like a tidal wave happened 31:53.350 --> 31:55.310 and we all, like everybody felt it. 31:55.870 --> 31:57.490 And so I knew, I knew that I had 31:57.490 --> 31:59.210 to record this particular song 31:59.610 --> 32:01.170 and or a couple of songs 32:01.710 --> 32:03.450 and it's still, it's still like a fan 32:03.450 --> 32:05.390 favorite for sure. Like I, I don't, 32:05.450 --> 32:07.110 I don't know that there's been a show I've done 32:07.610 --> 32:08.870 in the last 15, 32:09.490 --> 32:10.910 14 years or whatever 32:10.910 --> 32:12.530 since I wrote, since I put it out 32:12.530 --> 32:14.610 that I haven't played it because 32:14.610 --> 32:16.610 that's always one that gets requested. 32:16.930 --> 32:19.030 But it is, it is a dark song. 32:19.230 --> 32:21.370 It does paint a grim picture, but it's 32:21.370 --> 32:23.070 a warning and it tells 32:23.070 --> 32:24.310 people to arm themselves 32:24.870 --> 32:26.190 one with the Holy Spirit. 32:26.850 --> 32:28.410 Even the Founders knew without 32:28.410 --> 32:30.290 the protection of divine providence, 32:30.290 --> 32:32.130 we weren't going to get very far. 32:32.870 --> 32:34.290 And so it says, you know, arm yourselves 32:34.290 --> 32:35.910 with the ghost of the risen Son 32:35.910 --> 32:37.230 and lay your armor on. 32:37.890 --> 32:39.570 And then the second chorus is, 32:39.590 --> 32:41.270 you know, arm yourselves to the teeth 32:41.930 --> 32:43.630 which is with weapons and then 32:43.630 --> 32:45.930 the, you know, to protect yourselves in your communities. 32:46.130 --> 32:47.290 And then the third 32:47.910 --> 32:50.050 chorus is arm yourselves with the truth. 32:50.550 --> 32:51.570 You know, because 32:51.570 --> 32:53.830 you know, the veil has lifted 32:53.830 --> 32:56.010 and they're not playing around. 32:56.150 --> 32:57.290 The hammer is coming down. 32:57.650 --> 32:59.890 So, and I think we've 32:59.890 --> 33:02.250 really seen the insidiousness 33:02.250 --> 33:03.370 of that hammer 33:03.370 --> 33:05.190 in the last, you know, 33:05.390 --> 33:06.190 five, six years 33:06.190 --> 33:08.770 what the real agenda 33:09.370 --> 33:10.410 actually is and 33:11.250 --> 33:13.110 I don't think anybody quite 33:13.110 --> 33:15.190 is prepared for it. 33:15.190 --> 33:16.570 I mean, the vast majority of folks. 33:17.010 --> 33:19.610 As I mentioned, you know, I mean, we've been talking about the Epstein files 33:19.610 --> 33:21.410 and how like this is a big trauma ritual. 33:21.790 --> 33:23.090 But, you know, it's 33:23.750 --> 33:25.290 in legal proceedings 33:26.330 --> 33:27.290 they don't 33:27.290 --> 33:29.270 release information 33:29.270 --> 33:31.810 like this all at once 33:31.810 --> 33:33.210 to the jury. 33:33.830 --> 33:35.790 You know, they dole it out in small 33:35.790 --> 33:36.450 amounts 33:36.450 --> 33:38.170 and the judge 33:38.170 --> 33:41.050 will usually provide guidance 33:41.730 --> 33:43.330 around how that information 33:43.330 --> 33:45.410 if it's sensitive, if it's disturbing 33:45.410 --> 33:47.870 how that will be consumed 33:47.870 --> 33:48.630 by the jury. 33:49.130 --> 33:51.710 And, you know, a lot of times more aggressive 33:51.710 --> 33:53.290 attorneys will 33:53.290 --> 33:55.270 who have less scruples will do 33:55.670 --> 33:57.270 data dumps on juries to 33:57.810 --> 34:00.070 traumatize them to get a particular type of outcome. 34:00.870 --> 34:02.350 And, but in this case 34:02.350 --> 34:03.850 with all the redactions 34:03.850 --> 34:06.190 it I think it really is putting 34:06.190 --> 34:08.330 people into a kind of 34:08.330 --> 34:10.510 mental loop where their minds 34:10.510 --> 34:12.170 are aware of the 34:12.170 --> 34:14.450 horror but there's no definitive 34:15.430 --> 34:15.990 answer. 34:16.430 --> 34:18.330 You know, and it's still a mystery 34:18.330 --> 34:20.670 so your mind is stuck in this loop 34:20.670 --> 34:21.070 where 34:22.330 --> 34:24.470 you can't make heads or tails of it 34:24.470 --> 34:26.070 you just know that 34:26.070 --> 34:27.990 the enormity of it and 34:27.990 --> 34:29.730 the details that you do get 34:29.730 --> 34:31.010 are so horrifying 34:31.890 --> 34:33.910 that it will either send you into 34:33.910 --> 34:36.150 a place of obsession or absolute 34:36.810 --> 34:38.130 despondency and complacency. 34:38.750 --> 34:40.190 And I think that is by design 34:40.190 --> 34:41.610 that is part of 34:41.610 --> 34:42.610 what would 34:43.630 --> 34:45.730 end goal of what they're trying to accomplish 34:45.730 --> 34:48.250 by releasing this the way that they have. 34:48.590 --> 34:49.730 Learned helplessness. 34:50.150 --> 34:51.730 Yeah, and, you know 34:52.550 --> 34:54.230 what comes next, right? 34:54.450 --> 34:55.710 And so, you know 34:55.710 --> 34:58.210 how things have evolved for me 34:58.210 --> 34:59.930 because I've known about this stuff 34:59.930 --> 35:01.190 for many, many years as I mentioned 35:01.650 --> 35:03.830 you know, I watched 35:03.830 --> 35:05.770 the Liberty movement sort of 35:05.770 --> 35:07.630 implode with the Trump 35:07.630 --> 35:09.650 phenomenon. And I saw 35:09.650 --> 35:11.410 people that I never 35:11.410 --> 35:13.190 ever thought in a million years would be 35:13.190 --> 35:15.670 Trump people become hardcore Trump people 35:15.670 --> 35:17.590 and, you know 35:17.590 --> 35:19.770 to each his own. And I saw many, many 35:19.770 --> 35:21.270 more people just go back to sleep 35:21.270 --> 35:23.330 and, you know, the events 35:23.330 --> 35:25.650 would go from having thousands of people 35:25.650 --> 35:27.230 to having hundreds to having dozens 35:27.870 --> 35:28.430 and 35:28.430 --> 35:31.470 to the point where people just stopped having events 35:31.470 --> 35:33.290 because they're just what 35:33.290 --> 35:35.050 there just wasn't the fervor 35:35.050 --> 35:37.110 anymore for the 35:37.110 --> 35:38.830 for the subject matter and 35:39.330 --> 35:41.110 you know, like as though 35:41.110 --> 35:43.330 Donald Trump was going to solve all of our problems 35:43.330 --> 35:44.830 right? And 35:45.330 --> 35:47.650 that was very disturbing to me 35:47.650 --> 35:49.350 to see, you know, hardcore 35:49.350 --> 35:51.130 Liberty people just kind of like 35:51.130 --> 35:52.450 hang up their 35:52.930 --> 35:54.570 gloves and retire 35:54.570 --> 35:56.830 from all of this. And 35:56.830 --> 35:58.770 I also realized that 35:58.770 --> 36:00.630 I was missing 36:00.630 --> 36:02.230 a ton from 36:02.230 --> 36:04.130 of my children's childhood 36:04.670 --> 36:05.970 and, you know, I have seven kids 36:05.970 --> 36:08.810 and I had missed a lot 36:08.810 --> 36:10.650 and so because I, you know, I was touring 36:10.650 --> 36:11.990 three weeks out of the month 36:11.990 --> 36:15.030 for years and years and years. And so 36:15.030 --> 36:17.010 I didn't miss everything but I missed 36:17.010 --> 36:19.250 important things that I wish I hadn't 36:19.250 --> 36:21.270 and so I took some time off 36:21.270 --> 36:23.050 for on 2018 I stopped touring 36:23.050 --> 36:25.370 and I just did like individual shows 36:25.370 --> 36:27.050 and I really started 36:27.050 --> 36:28.150 injecting more 36:29.170 --> 36:30.990 spiritual concepts into the songs. 36:31.070 --> 36:33.070 I really started like really like doing 36:33.070 --> 36:34.570 a deep dive into my faith and 36:34.570 --> 36:36.810 and that really started making more 36:36.810 --> 36:38.270 appearances in the music and 36:38.270 --> 36:40.830 I started taking on causes too 36:40.830 --> 36:42.990 and, you know, they're like 36:42.990 --> 36:44.990 like two political prisoners that I've 36:44.990 --> 36:46.930 supported who have, thank God, been 36:46.930 --> 36:48.650 released were Shaefer Cox and 36:48.650 --> 36:50.990 Ross Ulbrich. And 36:50.990 --> 36:52.130 you know, I 36:52.130 --> 36:54.850 wrote a song for Levoie Finnecombe, if you guys 36:54.850 --> 36:56.910 remember that story, the 36:56.910 --> 36:58.670 Arizona rancher who was murdered 36:58.670 --> 37:00.770 by federal agents in 37:00.770 --> 37:03.090 Oregon as part of the Bundy 37:03.090 --> 37:05.230 standoff at the Malier Wildlife Refuge 37:05.230 --> 37:06.850 and like I was very close to all of that 37:06.850 --> 37:08.690 I was actually supposed to perform 37:08.690 --> 37:11.330 at the Malier Wildlife Refuge 37:11.330 --> 37:12.350 for those guys 37:12.870 --> 37:14.890 on February the 5th 37:14.890 --> 37:15.630 in 2016. 37:16.970 --> 37:18.690 And I ended up playing 37:18.690 --> 37:20.630 at Levoie's funeral instead 37:20.630 --> 37:22.190 on the same day. So 37:22.190 --> 37:24.070 the concert still happened 37:24.770 --> 37:26.770 but it was at Levoie's funeral rather 37:26.770 --> 37:28.250 than at the refuge. 37:28.930 --> 37:30.930 Holy shit, I did not know that. That's 37:30.930 --> 37:32.790 crazy. Yeah. Well, I 37:32.790 --> 37:34.610 had contacted Amon Bundy 37:34.610 --> 37:36.750 and he said that they would really love for me to come 37:36.750 --> 37:38.870 and so I had planned it all out 37:38.870 --> 37:40.050 I was gonna go 37:40.790 --> 37:42.430 and, you know, January 37:44.350 --> 37:44.750 26th 37:44.750 --> 37:45.850 I believe it was the date 37:46.310 --> 37:48.130 you know, I knew a lot of people that were there 37:48.130 --> 37:49.630 I knew a lot of people that were connected to it 37:49.630 --> 37:51.730 both like political leaders 37:51.730 --> 37:53.910 and elected officials and people on the ground 37:53.910 --> 37:55.170 and I was very close to it all 37:55.890 --> 37:56.290 and 37:57.170 --> 37:58.830 the night that Levoie was killed 37:58.830 --> 38:01.930 I really had a very very strong 38:02.630 --> 38:03.030 reaction 38:03.750 --> 38:06.070 to that and I wrote this song that night 38:06.070 --> 38:08.150 I put it out 38:08.150 --> 38:09.350 the next day on YouTube 38:09.350 --> 38:11.050 or the next evening 38:11.050 --> 38:14.110 and by the following morning it had 25,000 views 38:14.110 --> 38:15.270 between the hours 38:15.270 --> 38:16.790 of midnight and 8am 38:17.350 --> 38:19.150 and the day after that 38:19.150 --> 38:21.770 excuse me Levoie Finnecombe's daughter calls me 38:21.770 --> 38:23.710 and she says, you know, we're 38:23.710 --> 38:26.010 we're all listening to your song 38:26.010 --> 38:27.710 on repeat at our house 38:27.710 --> 38:29.650 and people keep coming over we play it again 38:29.650 --> 38:31.890 she says, you know, I'm just so thankful that you 38:31.890 --> 38:33.670 wrote this so that my dad 38:33.670 --> 38:35.290 won't be forgotten. Yeah. 38:35.510 --> 38:37.610 And I couldn't imagine 38:37.610 --> 38:38.610 in that moment like 38:38.610 --> 38:41.210 a better 38:41.210 --> 38:43.570 reason to write a song 38:43.570 --> 38:45.430 than to commemorate the life 38:45.430 --> 38:46.770 of a brave person 38:47.510 --> 38:48.930 and I mean that's 38:49.750 --> 38:51.630 more lasting than, you know, fame 38:51.630 --> 38:52.690 or fortune that's like 38:52.690 --> 38:56.030 you're having an impact that's on a much deeper level 38:56.030 --> 38:57.630 and that was quite a moment 38:57.630 --> 38:59.370 for me honestly when she called me 38:59.370 --> 39:00.110 her name's Ariana 39:01.270 --> 39:03.390 and then I was invited to play 39:03.390 --> 39:03.990 at his funeral 39:03.990 --> 39:05.450 on the same 39:05.450 --> 39:07.230 but it happened to be the same day 39:07.870 --> 39:08.190 that's 39:08.190 --> 39:11.230 I would have been playing at the refuge 39:11.230 --> 39:13.710 that was really wild. Wow man 39:13.710 --> 39:15.290 yeah, no kidding and 39:15.290 --> 39:17.690 boy talk about a transformation 39:17.690 --> 39:19.790 right I mean you were just talking about how 39:19.790 --> 39:22.050 some of the folks that you surrounded yourself 39:22.050 --> 39:24.010 with and the Liberty movement kind of 39:24.010 --> 39:26.010 shifted towards more of the 39:26.010 --> 39:27.870 right-leaning mega camp 39:27.870 --> 39:29.370 supporting Trump and 39:29.990 --> 39:32.030 yeah I mean boy what a departure 39:32.030 --> 39:34.110 right from going from the Bundy Ranch 39:34.110 --> 39:36.130 type of situation to now 39:36.130 --> 39:38.330 like you know justifying 39:38.330 --> 39:40.270 defending things that the feds 39:40.270 --> 39:41.930 are doing killing American 39:41.930 --> 39:43.930 citizens I mean there really has been 39:43.930 --> 39:45.770 a clear shift 39:45.770 --> 39:47.690 and it really is disappointing 39:47.690 --> 39:49.290 to me in many ways 39:49.970 --> 39:52.190 and frustrating too because I feel like 39:52.190 --> 39:54.050 yeah a lot of these people should have known better right 39:54.050 --> 39:55.990 like they should have had the knowledge 39:55.990 --> 39:58.010 they should have had the understanding 39:58.010 --> 39:59.970 of what these principles that you know 39:59.970 --> 40:02.050 the Dr. Ron Paul the good Dr. Ron Paul 40:02.050 --> 40:04.230 was preaching for so many years 40:04.230 --> 40:05.970 to not ever 40:05.970 --> 40:07.290 go back towards 40:07.290 --> 40:10.070 the realm of statism and utilizing the 40:10.070 --> 40:11.350 state's violence you know 40:11.970 --> 40:13.590 so yeah I mean I'm personally 40:13.590 --> 40:15.570 we talk about this all the time and 40:15.570 --> 40:17.850 it is hard to watch 40:17.850 --> 40:19.950 there's so very few of us still 40:19.950 --> 40:20.930 kind of principled 40:21.710 --> 40:23.850 Ron Paulian types of people 40:23.850 --> 40:25.850 that are still doing this work you know 40:25.850 --> 40:27.770 it has been fragmented unfortunately 40:27.770 --> 40:29.810 and boy I know we could probably 40:29.810 --> 40:31.970 have a whole conversation about that by itself 40:31.970 --> 40:33.510 but we are 40:33.510 --> 40:35.510 getting a little bit low on time now 40:35.510 --> 40:37.290 but one of the things I did want to mention 40:37.870 --> 40:39.510 before maybe we have you play a song 40:39.510 --> 40:41.690 and I do have this question I think is important 40:41.690 --> 40:43.930 but you know I'm a musician myself 40:43.930 --> 40:46.010 I've played music for years 40:46.010 --> 40:47.710 I also toured and made 40:48.250 --> 40:49.910 albums and it feels like 40:49.910 --> 40:51.670 a whole other life I don't bring it up often 40:51.670 --> 40:53.870 on this podcast unless another guest happened to have 40:53.870 --> 40:55.830 you know some I didn't know that about you 40:55.830 --> 40:58.010 we had another guest a few 40:58.010 --> 40:59.910 weeks back who went to recording 40:59.910 --> 41:01.210 school down in Los Angeles 41:01.810 --> 41:03.790 and so we had a brief moment there 41:03.790 --> 41:05.770 talking about it I brought it up that true 41:05.770 --> 41:07.970 yeah that's true one of the things 41:07.970 --> 41:09.890 that I immediately recognized about you 41:09.890 --> 41:11.870 Jordan was your passion when you were playing 41:11.870 --> 41:13.830 man it certainly shines through 41:13.830 --> 41:15.710 I mean it's powerful man 41:15.710 --> 41:17.830 it's hard to avoid you get behind 41:17.830 --> 41:20.030 the mic with your guitar and I could tell 41:20.030 --> 41:21.950 I think anybody witnessing it could tell 41:21.950 --> 41:23.870 your passion for the music 41:23.870 --> 41:25.730 that you're playing and the words that you're 41:25.730 --> 41:27.410 speaking but on that note 41:27.410 --> 41:29.870 you know I kind of missed a lot of the 41:29.870 --> 41:31.770 2008 campaign I kind of got 41:31.770 --> 41:33.730 more involved and inspired around the 41:33.730 --> 41:35.790 2012 campaign and the 41:35.790 --> 41:37.590 energy during that time man it was just 41:37.590 --> 41:39.490 electric you know to be honest I mean 41:39.490 --> 41:41.650 I haven't really seen that much unity and 41:41.650 --> 41:43.690 momentum from the Liberty movement 41:43.690 --> 41:45.650 since it felt like a really special 41:45.650 --> 41:47.550 time and it 41:47.550 --> 41:49.850 did kind of lay the ground floor for 41:49.850 --> 41:51.750 what I think many of our friends came 41:51.750 --> 41:53.630 to be the connections and networks that we 41:53.630 --> 41:55.430 currently you know enjoy and utilize 41:55.430 --> 41:57.610 so there was a special alchemy there 41:57.610 --> 41:58.810 and you know obviously 41:59.510 --> 42:01.130 Ron Paul himself was a huge 42:01.570 --> 42:03.230 momentum driver with his values and 42:03.230 --> 42:04.670 principles and stuff like that 42:04.670 --> 42:06.550 but I want to hear your thoughts about 42:06.550 --> 42:08.430 what made it so special because I remember 42:08.430 --> 42:10.090 Ron Paul once said something along the 42:10.090 --> 42:12.370 lines of like if you can 42:12.370 --> 42:14.370 ever bring about a revolutionary change 42:14.370 --> 42:16.070 there's two things that will be 42:16.070 --> 42:18.310 required young people and music 42:18.810 --> 42:20.410 and so I wanted to ask you 42:20.410 --> 42:21.910 like what you think it would take to 42:21.910 --> 42:23.770 recreate a Ron Paul revolution 42:24.310 --> 42:26.010 like that type of energy that type of 42:26.010 --> 42:28.130 momentum that kind of magic 42:28.130 --> 42:30.110 you know that we really believe that we 42:30.110 --> 42:31.450 are on the right side of history and 42:31.450 --> 42:34.250 nothing could really stop us so do you 42:34.250 --> 42:35.850 I mean I know this might be kind of off 42:35.850 --> 42:37.470 the cuff but can you maybe help us piece 42:37.470 --> 42:39.670 together what that new Liberty Revolution 42:39.670 --> 42:41.630 would kind of need to really fan the 42:41.630 --> 42:43.550 flames of freedom and kind of get back 42:43.550 --> 42:45.190 on course with like peace and Liberty 42:45.190 --> 42:47.070 and economics and all these things that were 42:47.070 --> 42:49.150 in the mainstream spotlight for a brief 42:49.150 --> 42:51.110 period of time while Ron Paul campaigns 42:51.110 --> 42:52.010 were active 42:52.870 --> 42:54.870 well unfortunately I think that people 42:54.870 --> 42:56.150 really need leadership 42:56.750 --> 42:58.950 you know this I think Ron was really 42:58.950 --> 43:00.990 trying to inspire a whole 43:00.990 --> 43:02.070 generation of leaders 43:02.650 --> 43:04.450 which I think in many ways he did 43:04.450 --> 43:06.970 I mean he did a tremendous amount of good 43:06.970 --> 43:09.010 and he educated you know the heck out 43:09.010 --> 43:10.070 of so many people 43:10.610 --> 43:13.090 you know we were still feeling the ripples of it 43:13.090 --> 43:15.150 but I think that 43:15.150 --> 43:17.070 there's gonna there would need to be a 43:17.070 --> 43:19.210 leader who exemplifies those ideals 43:19.210 --> 43:20.290 that people could get behind 43:20.880 --> 43:23.290 I think that's a theme throughout history 43:23.290 --> 43:25.310 yeah is inspiring 43:25.310 --> 43:27.330 people that rise to the top 43:27.330 --> 43:28.830 and say you know 43:28.830 --> 43:31.190 you shall not pass and 43:31.190 --> 43:33.150 that you know we're taking 43:33.150 --> 43:35.250 principled stands on these issues 43:35.250 --> 43:37.250 and you know you will not go any 43:37.250 --> 43:38.930 further I mean without 43:38.930 --> 43:41.150 strong leadership you know America 43:41.150 --> 43:42.970 would not even have been formed 43:42.970 --> 43:44.850 the way that it is and 43:44.850 --> 43:47.410 you know I think people follow 43:47.410 --> 43:48.350 Donald Trump because 43:49.140 --> 43:50.270 he projects strength 43:50.270 --> 43:53.290 and you know for better or worse 43:53.290 --> 43:55.150 and you know I don't 43:55.150 --> 43:57.270 think Ron I don't think Ron's 43:57.270 --> 43:58.930 goal was to project strength 43:58.930 --> 44:01.110 but he project 44:01.110 --> 44:02.430 he projected hope 44:02.430 --> 44:05.270 you know I remember guys we were 44:05.270 --> 44:06.870 we were in South Carolina 44:06.870 --> 44:09.090 it was 2011 it was 44:09.090 --> 44:10.610 the first debate it was on 44:10.610 --> 44:12.690 Cinco de Mayo and I was 44:12.690 --> 44:14.710 at a tea party rally that 44:14.710 --> 44:16.870 was watching the debate live on a huge 44:16.870 --> 44:18.950 huge screen and 44:18.950 --> 44:20.770 Ron Paul got 90 44:20.770 --> 44:23.010 seconds of debate time 44:23.010 --> 44:25.050 that's right over like two and a half 44:25.050 --> 44:26.790 three hours 90 seconds 44:26.790 --> 44:28.190 that's all they gave him 44:28.840 --> 44:30.690 and but he took the 90 44:30.690 --> 44:32.110 seconds that he had 44:32.840 --> 44:34.270 to quote 44:34.270 --> 44:36.990 Jesus on what America's 44:36.990 --> 44:38.250 foreign policy should be 44:38.770 --> 44:40.090 you know which is the golden rule 44:40.090 --> 44:43.290 and he got booed 44:43.290 --> 44:44.390 he was booed yeah 44:44.850 --> 44:46.810 and that was the moment 44:46.810 --> 44:48.510 where I knew I had backed the right 44:48.510 --> 44:50.790 horse and he blew 44:50.790 --> 44:51.990 off all the pundits 44:51.990 --> 44:54.690 because they just had completely screwed 44:54.690 --> 44:56.710 him over and he came to our rally 44:56.710 --> 44:58.570 and I got to play the 44:58.570 --> 45:00.530 light of revolution for him the campaign 45:00.530 --> 45:02.270 song I had written for him for the first time 45:02.830 --> 45:04.450 there in front of 1500 people 45:04.450 --> 45:06.590 and him and it was really really great 45:06.590 --> 45:08.170 but I think 45:08.170 --> 45:09.910 strong leadership is needed 45:10.770 --> 45:11.330 uncompromising 45:12.030 --> 45:13.050 people that 45:14.450 --> 45:16.810 have the kind of record that reflects 45:17.590 --> 45:18.150 consistency 45:18.150 --> 45:20.390 in standing up for these 45:20.390 --> 45:21.690 principles you know I 45:22.370 --> 45:23.790 love the liberty movement 45:24.830 --> 45:26.510 I'm not here to disparage it 45:26.510 --> 45:28.810 in any way I have mourned it 45:28.810 --> 45:30.530 and what I 45:30.530 --> 45:32.390 have seen how it's kind of like fallen 45:32.390 --> 45:34.310 apart in many ways in some 45:34.310 --> 45:36.410 ways though it fractured into factions 45:36.410 --> 45:38.710 and into issues 45:38.710 --> 45:40.610 you know I'm a very issue driven person 45:40.610 --> 45:42.370 I care very much about 45:42.370 --> 45:44.330 certain things I don't necessarily care about 45:44.330 --> 45:46.750 all the things I care about certain things the most 45:46.750 --> 45:48.250 you know and education 45:48.250 --> 45:49.950 is one of those things which is 45:49.950 --> 45:52.430 why you know my wife and I 45:52.430 --> 45:54.290 we just launched this new 45:54.290 --> 45:56.350 homeschool technology platform 45:56.350 --> 45:58.710 to help people get out of the public school system 45:58.710 --> 45:59.770 because that is 45:59.770 --> 46:00.670 the 46:00.670 --> 46:03.910 the root on the tree of tyranny 46:03.910 --> 46:05.710 that must be cut if we're going to make 46:05.710 --> 46:07.050 any kind of headway 46:07.670 --> 46:09.690 against the forces that are at work in the world 46:09.690 --> 46:11.410 because they have control of everybody's kids 46:11.410 --> 46:13.990 and informed educated 46:13.990 --> 46:15.410 mobilized populace 46:15.410 --> 46:17.930 you know will not put up with this kind 46:17.930 --> 46:19.670 of stuff I mean people right now 46:19.670 --> 46:20.850 don't even know what to do 46:20.850 --> 46:23.330 well what do we even do well you know 46:23.330 --> 46:25.770 if you hadn't been raised by Caesar 46:25.770 --> 46:27.610 you wouldn't be Romans 46:27.610 --> 46:28.870 right now 46:28.870 --> 46:30.910 and so we've 46:31.370 --> 46:34.190 developed this platform called Firefly Education Network 46:34.190 --> 46:35.850 it's at fireflyedu.org 46:36.450 --> 46:37.890 and we've just launched 46:37.890 --> 46:39.670 the mobile app is in Apple 46:39.670 --> 46:41.250 and Google stores and it's online 46:41.250 --> 46:43.010 and you know people can 46:43.610 --> 46:45.170 access curriculum they can 46:45.170 --> 46:47.810 have all the tools and resources and community that they need 46:47.810 --> 46:49.630 to be successful at this 46:49.630 --> 46:51.450 my wife and I have been homeschooling for 14 years 46:51.450 --> 46:53.910 we built this for other families 46:53.910 --> 46:55.490 like for the 46:55.490 --> 46:57.510 express purpose of helping people 46:57.510 --> 46:59.710 get out of that system 46:59.710 --> 47:01.610 I think that is a 47:01.610 --> 47:03.650 major first step in fomenting 47:03.650 --> 47:04.170 a new 47:05.510 --> 47:07.870 revolution it really begins at home 47:07.870 --> 47:09.990 it really begins with the individual 47:09.990 --> 47:11.010 and with the family 47:11.010 --> 47:13.230 and strengthening families because 47:13.230 --> 47:15.470 you know the powers 47:15.470 --> 47:16.750 that should not be 47:16.750 --> 47:18.810 have launched an all out assault 47:18.810 --> 47:21.050 on families and you know 47:21.050 --> 47:23.370 they've taken every 47:23.370 --> 47:25.250 opportunity to wage war 47:25.250 --> 47:26.590 on peoples 47:27.340 --> 47:29.530 on their minds I mean all these kids are at war 47:29.530 --> 47:30.330 with their own bodies 47:30.330 --> 47:33.710 they're at war with the idea 47:33.710 --> 47:35.310 of anything that doesn't 47:35.310 --> 47:36.890 agree with them it's like 47:36.890 --> 47:39.390 they're grown toddlers 47:39.390 --> 47:41.270 and that is a 47:41.270 --> 47:43.290 direct result of the public school system 47:43.290 --> 47:45.710 like they have perpetrated this wickedness 47:45.710 --> 47:47.170 on our society 47:47.170 --> 47:48.490 and so we 47:49.260 --> 47:51.370 believe in that you should withdraw 47:51.370 --> 47:52.730 your consent to be governed 47:53.190 --> 47:55.090 if you're being governed by madmen 47:55.090 --> 47:56.590 you need to withdraw your consent 47:57.310 --> 47:57.590 and 47:57.590 --> 48:00.810 a lot of people again they need leadership 48:00.810 --> 48:02.410 and we're just trying to provide leadership 48:02.410 --> 48:04.070 at least in this arena 48:04.070 --> 48:07.010 where we have innovated something 48:07.010 --> 48:08.850 to be the infrastructure 48:08.850 --> 48:10.670 for the worldwide homeschool movement 48:10.670 --> 48:11.950 in every language 48:12.950 --> 48:15.230 because this isn't just an American thing 48:15.230 --> 48:17.110 the homeschool movement is booming all over the world 48:17.110 --> 48:19.370 and so we made it internationally accessible 48:19.370 --> 48:20.950 so that everybody can get out 48:20.950 --> 48:22.610 I love that man 48:22.610 --> 48:24.150 I didn't realize that 48:24.150 --> 48:26.710 I remember hearing firefly at the barbecue 48:26.710 --> 48:29.030 but I didn't realize that was something that you're a part of 48:29.030 --> 48:30.810 so dude that's amazing 48:30.810 --> 48:32.630 that's exactly what we need you're right 48:32.630 --> 48:34.070 it starts at a young age 48:34.070 --> 48:36.810 and the good news is that the homeschooling movement 48:36.810 --> 48:38.830 has exploded since the COVID years 48:38.830 --> 48:41.410 I mean I know my kids are homeschooled 48:41.410 --> 48:43.370 I know Matt's were for a long period of time 48:43.370 --> 48:44.270 as well we're 48:44.270 --> 48:46.750 both stay at home dads for years 48:46.750 --> 48:48.470 doing the second work you know so 48:49.070 --> 48:50.970 but yeah man that's wonderful 48:50.970 --> 48:52.670 and I couldn't agree more about the leader 48:52.670 --> 48:54.750 aspect of this unfortunately that is 48:54.750 --> 48:56.830 the hard truth you know it does feel like 48:56.830 --> 48:58.230 even though we are individuals 48:58.230 --> 49:00.470 and we like to think of ourselves as being kind of 49:00.470 --> 49:02.990 decentralized leaders of our own type 49:02.990 --> 49:04.770 I think it really does take 49:04.770 --> 49:06.670 that one leader who has 49:06.670 --> 49:07.770 that personality 49:08.550 --> 49:10.070 that charm but also has 49:10.070 --> 49:12.350 the knowledge, the framework 49:12.350 --> 49:14.070 the history, the experience 49:14.070 --> 49:16.190 to really move ahead 49:16.190 --> 49:17.410 in any type of 49:17.410 --> 49:19.270 bigger political race you know 49:19.270 --> 49:22.190 we saw Trump kind of take root 49:22.190 --> 49:24.330 when he was still kind of 49:24.330 --> 49:26.250 trusted and believed with the words 49:26.250 --> 49:28.190 and the rhetoric he was saying obviously that's 49:28.190 --> 49:29.970 really kind of gone to the wayside now 49:29.970 --> 49:32.250 and that kind of leads me to a point 49:32.250 --> 49:33.990 is that you know you have to play the game 49:33.990 --> 49:35.970 at this point I think Ron was 49:35.970 --> 49:38.190 so successful because 49:38.190 --> 49:40.150 he was telling people the hard 49:40.150 --> 49:41.570 truths that they didn't want to hear 49:41.570 --> 49:43.550 and that is kind of 49:43.550 --> 49:45.210 you know through the Bernie Sanders years 49:45.210 --> 49:47.870 and now with Trump like that's the exact opposite 49:47.870 --> 49:49.590 of what the political strategy 49:49.590 --> 49:51.350 that people just want to hear what they're going to get 49:51.350 --> 49:52.910 for free and you know how the 49:52.910 --> 49:54.930 the libs are going to be owned and 49:55.350 --> 49:57.450 you know the political tribalism and all that stuff 49:57.450 --> 49:59.710 so there has been a certainly a shift 49:59.710 --> 50:01.330 in culturally speaking as well 50:01.330 --> 50:03.450 but again that's a whole other 50:03.450 --> 50:05.590 conversation and we are getting extremely low 50:05.590 --> 50:07.530 on time so I was hoping 50:07.530 --> 50:09.510 that we could have you play 50:09.510 --> 50:11.590 my personal favorite 50:11.590 --> 50:12.890 Jordan Page song 50:13.310 --> 50:15.190 which is listen man that song 50:15.190 --> 50:17.650 it gives me chills every time I hear it 50:17.650 --> 50:19.730 I know it was published 16 years ago 50:19.730 --> 50:21.910 and it's your second most listened to 50:21.910 --> 50:23.090 a song on YouTube but 50:23.090 --> 50:25.470 maybe just a couple words about it before 50:25.470 --> 50:27.290 you get started and we could jump into it 50:27.290 --> 50:29.410 sure sure listen 50:29.410 --> 50:31.230 was I wrote listen 50:31.910 --> 50:33.410 very soon after 50:33.410 --> 50:35.670 my my pendulum experience 50:35.670 --> 50:37.470 it was the next song that I wrote 50:37.470 --> 50:40.170 I had just watched Alex Jones's 50:40.170 --> 50:41.490 Endgame film 50:41.490 --> 50:43.210 I don't know if you've ever seen this but it's a 50:43.210 --> 50:44.710 very intense movie 50:45.450 --> 50:47.570 and it took me two weeks 50:47.570 --> 50:49.110 to get through it I had to do it in pieces 50:49.890 --> 50:51.230 and this song 50:51.230 --> 50:52.950 like I was playing with this 50:52.950 --> 50:54.870 with this scale this Arabian scale 51:00.910 --> 51:02.470 and I just heard 51:02.470 --> 51:05.070 the words in my mind listen to the sound 51:05.070 --> 51:06.670 that you hear like an echo in your head 51:06.670 --> 51:09.110 there's a strange vibration rising out 51:09.110 --> 51:09.950 of the heart of America 51:11.270 --> 51:12.750 and you know it just 51:13.670 --> 51:14.570 materialized and 51:14.570 --> 51:17.370 I feel like I became an anti-war 51:17.370 --> 51:19.070 activist just about overnight 51:19.070 --> 51:21.030 from this from this song 51:21.030 --> 51:23.210 it was like there's no coming back after 51:23.210 --> 51:24.650 this song sure and 51:24.650 --> 51:26.970 yeah I mean I think this 51:26.970 --> 51:28.670 the song still holds up today 51:28.670 --> 51:31.210 so yeah I'll be happy 51:31.210 --> 51:31.790 to play it for you 51:31.790 --> 51:33.830 can you hear the guitar okay 51:33.830 --> 51:35.650 that was wonderful man 51:35.650 --> 51:36.070 yeah 52:02.560 --> 52:29.030 listen to the sound that you hear 52:29.030 --> 52:31.190 like an echo in your head 52:31.190 --> 52:33.350 there's a strange vibration 52:33.350 --> 52:35.450 rising out 52:35.450 --> 52:36.950 from the heart 52:36.950 --> 52:38.150 of America 52:38.150 --> 52:39.470 America 52:39.470 --> 52:40.130 America 52:43.810 --> 52:46.250 listen to the sound 52:46.250 --> 52:47.850 of the drum calling 52:47.850 --> 52:49.730 players to the game 52:49.730 --> 52:52.390 of the new world order 52:52.390 --> 52:54.010 don't be caught 52:54.010 --> 52:55.150 unaware 52:55.150 --> 52:57.130 when the head start 52:57.130 --> 52:58.230 rolling 53:02.990 --> 53:05.250 no it couldn't happen here 53:05.250 --> 53:07.190 I know it wouldn't happen 53:07.190 --> 53:08.430 here 53:11.750 --> 53:15.050 and I will not submit 53:15.050 --> 53:16.670 to authority 53:16.930 --> 53:18.890 of man I'm alive 53:18.890 --> 53:21.250 I'm awake this is more 53:21.250 --> 53:22.630 than I can take 53:22.810 --> 53:25.190 if you had an open door 53:25.190 --> 53:26.990 would you kill a lizard 53:34.160 --> 53:40.880 if I see 53:40.880 --> 53:43.180 drones dropping bombs 53:43.180 --> 53:45.440 on the suns of Arabia 53:50.400 --> 53:52.880 listen to the sound 53:52.880 --> 53:53.770 of applause 53:54.020 --> 53:56.200 in a chamber full of men 53:56.200 --> 53:58.840 selling their bare people 53:58.840 --> 54:00.620 as they play 54:00.620 --> 54:01.430 a salt 54:01.900 --> 54:03.480 on the heart 54:03.480 --> 54:04.840 of America 54:09.440 --> 54:11.740 no it couldn't happen 54:11.740 --> 54:13.580 here I know it never 54:13.580 --> 54:15.260 happened here 54:22.780 --> 54:25.260 authority of man 54:25.260 --> 54:26.320 I'm alive 54:26.320 --> 54:28.760 I'm awake this is more 54:28.760 --> 54:30.300 than I can take 54:30.300 --> 54:32.760 if you had an open door 55:09.560 --> 55:11.280 war machine 55:11.280 --> 55:12.780 in motion 55:12.780 --> 55:21.790 the light in the eyes 55:21.790 --> 55:23.550 of the innocent 55:29.060 --> 55:30.380 yesterday 55:31.460 --> 55:33.800 I knew the world 55:34.280 --> 55:35.440 was spinning 55:35.440 --> 55:42.800 to see the wasteland 55:43.300 --> 55:44.620 and it 55:44.620 --> 56:05.620 of a man 56:05.620 --> 56:08.020 with a rifle in his hand 56:08.020 --> 56:09.280 don't be 56:10.080 --> 56:10.680 mistaken 56:10.680 --> 56:12.540 I believe 56:13.380 --> 56:15.720 in peace but I won't 56:15.720 --> 56:17.200 be taken 57:50.030 --> 57:51.310 great job dude 57:51.310 --> 57:52.590 yeah man 57:52.590 --> 57:56.630 I know I speak for Jason when I say that's not the first time that we've heard that song 57:56.630 --> 57:59.630 but it's definitely the smallest audience we've ever been in 57:59.630 --> 58:00.610 just us too 58:00.610 --> 58:02.850 and it feels special man thank you for that 58:03.390 --> 58:05.170 oh no you guys made me feel special 58:05.170 --> 58:06.190 thank you very much 58:06.710 --> 58:07.150 man 58:08.350 --> 58:10.450 we do have a little hard stop here 58:10.450 --> 58:13.030 but I want to try to squeeze in a white pill question for you 58:13.790 --> 58:14.570 that's our 58:15.290 --> 58:16.290 thing we do here 58:16.290 --> 58:17.890 we always end on a positive note 58:17.890 --> 58:21.250 even though this whole episode has been pretty damn positive 58:21.250 --> 58:23.070 before we wrap it up 58:23.070 --> 58:24.730 I just want to commend you 58:24.730 --> 58:25.410 first 58:26.110 --> 58:28.830 in an industry where most people sell their souls 58:28.830 --> 58:29.670 to sell albums 58:30.190 --> 58:33.270 you spent 15 years doing the exact opposite of that dude 58:33.270 --> 58:34.430 and it's pretty badass 58:34.430 --> 58:37.430 and you have the same consistency that we talked about 58:37.430 --> 58:39.910 people not having an illiberty movement earlier during the podcast 58:39.910 --> 58:40.650 you have that 58:40.650 --> 58:43.510 so glad our paths have crossed over the years 58:43.510 --> 58:44.950 all those times man 58:44.950 --> 58:45.870 it's a pleasure 58:47.130 --> 58:48.810 so yeah man there was 58:48.810 --> 58:50.870 back in the early Ron Paul days 58:50.870 --> 58:52.690 there was a fire in the air 58:52.690 --> 58:54.250 we had this hope 58:54.250 --> 58:57.270 we felt like this movement was getting massive 58:57.850 --> 58:59.950 and drawing all these more and more people into it 58:59.950 --> 59:01.910 we're in a different world today 59:01.910 --> 59:04.030 and you know you're my age 59:04.030 --> 59:05.790 I might be a year older than you 59:06.470 --> 59:07.490 I'm almost 50 59:07.490 --> 59:08.550 I'm 47 so 59:08.550 --> 59:11.710 as someone who's been on the front lines 59:11.710 --> 59:14.290 in those early Ron Paul days like Jason and I 59:14.770 --> 59:16.370 all the way to the present now 59:16.370 --> 59:18.150 I want to ask you this 59:18.150 --> 59:18.970 for the white pills 59:19.470 --> 59:21.530 and we were on a limited time frame 59:21.530 --> 59:23.030 so we'll give the abridged version man 59:23.030 --> 59:23.530 I apologize 59:23.530 --> 59:27.390 do you still see the same fire 59:27.390 --> 59:29.650 in the eyes of the next generation 59:29.650 --> 59:31.750 of activists and creators coming up behind us 59:31.750 --> 59:33.130 like we had back then 59:33.130 --> 59:34.450 and like we still have now right 59:34.450 --> 59:36.430 after everything you've seen in the decades 59:36.430 --> 59:37.890 you've spent fighting a good fight 59:37.890 --> 59:40.290 what gives you the most hope right now 59:40.290 --> 59:42.450 when you look at younger independent thinkers 59:42.450 --> 59:43.950 who are just now starting to realize 59:43.950 --> 59:46.690 that the pendulum is swinging back 59:46.690 --> 59:47.310 in our direction 59:48.950 --> 59:50.970 I don't see it the same way 59:51.590 --> 59:53.230 the liberty movement was not 59:53.970 --> 59:55.450 exactly a Christ centered 59:55.450 --> 59:56.690 movement back then 59:56.690 --> 59:58.750 it was very much like principles 59:58.750 --> 01:00:00.810 and it was common sense 01:00:00.810 --> 01:00:02.450 and it was historical 01:00:02.450 --> 01:00:03.310 understanding 01:00:03.310 --> 01:00:05.350 I think a lot of people had 01:00:05.350 --> 01:00:07.810 their faith was a big part of 01:00:07.810 --> 01:00:09.630 how they got involved 01:00:09.630 --> 01:00:11.510 and why they were so passionate 01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:13.830 but I mean the libertarian 01:00:13.830 --> 01:00:15.830 movement I think is very strongly 01:00:16.670 --> 01:00:17.970 at least half 01:00:17.970 --> 01:00:19.370 it's an atheist movement 01:00:20.350 --> 01:00:22.310 the real passionate movement 01:00:22.310 --> 01:00:24.770 I see coming up as really a Christian revival 01:00:24.770 --> 01:00:26.970 and I think a lot of that 01:00:26.970 --> 01:00:28.030 was really 01:00:28.030 --> 01:00:30.630 stirred up by Charlie Kirk 01:00:30.630 --> 01:00:33.150 and his work on college campuses 01:00:33.150 --> 01:00:34.710 creating dialogue 01:00:34.710 --> 01:00:36.910 giving his enemies a chance to speak 01:00:36.910 --> 01:00:38.890 and just trying 01:00:38.890 --> 01:00:40.510 to have peaceful 01:00:40.510 --> 01:00:42.470 dialogue and then his 01:00:42.470 --> 01:00:44.230 very public execution 01:00:44.770 --> 01:00:47.070 has really lit a fire under a lot of people 01:00:47.070 --> 01:00:48.790 I think on an individual 01:00:48.790 --> 01:00:51.010 basis I'm seeing a huge revival 01:00:51.010 --> 01:00:52.870 in young people 01:00:52.870 --> 01:00:54.490 turning to the Lord 01:00:54.490 --> 01:00:56.170 and it's 01:00:56.730 --> 01:00:59.190 not a specifically libertarian 01:00:59.190 --> 01:01:00.290 revival but I think 01:01:00.290 --> 01:01:03.130 my favorite scripture is Second Corinthians 01:01:03.130 --> 01:01:05.030 317 where the spirit 01:01:05.030 --> 01:01:05.990 of God is 01:01:05.990 --> 01:01:07.650 there is liberty 01:01:08.750 --> 01:01:10.350 that's kind of my mantra 01:01:10.590 --> 01:01:12.490 and I think that 01:01:12.490 --> 01:01:14.750 that spirit is coming 01:01:14.750 --> 01:01:17.270 back and people are embracing it 01:01:17.270 --> 01:01:19.050 and they're starting to care about what's happening 01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:20.270 so 01:01:20.270 --> 01:01:22.130 I don't know 01:01:22.130 --> 01:01:24.650 that we're ever going to recreate the Ron Paul movement 01:01:24.650 --> 01:01:26.270 I don't know that that's 01:01:26.270 --> 01:01:27.830 necessarily what needs to happen 01:01:27.830 --> 01:01:30.290 but there needs to be a revival 01:01:30.290 --> 01:01:32.490 of people in mass 01:01:32.490 --> 01:01:34.050 caring about their freedom 01:01:34.050 --> 01:01:36.250 and I think understanding 01:01:36.250 --> 01:01:37.930 that we're being run by 01:01:37.930 --> 01:01:40.230 satanic pedophile cannibals 01:01:40.230 --> 01:01:41.430 is definitely 01:01:41.430 --> 01:01:43.370 a hot poker 01:01:44.110 --> 01:01:44.950 pushing people 01:01:44.950 --> 01:01:46.710 in that direction 01:01:46.710 --> 01:01:47.370 so 01:01:47.370 --> 01:01:49.170 I think 01:01:49.170 --> 01:01:50.610 I always have hope 01:01:50.610 --> 01:01:53.810 I'm a disciple of Christ and he is not discouraged 01:01:54.550 --> 01:01:55.490 so I 01:01:55.490 --> 01:01:57.210 walk forward in that 01:01:57.210 --> 01:01:59.690 my goal 01:01:59.690 --> 01:02:02.530 is always to build the kingdom of God 01:02:02.530 --> 01:02:02.990 on earth 01:02:02.990 --> 01:02:05.170 and to spread love and peace 01:02:06.450 --> 01:02:08.050 but that also means taking 01:02:08.590 --> 01:02:09.990 very very strong stands 01:02:09.990 --> 01:02:12.490 against things you can be for a lot of things 01:02:12.490 --> 01:02:14.650 but there's also things you need to be against 01:02:14.650 --> 01:02:15.950 woe unto those that call 01:02:15.950 --> 01:02:17.350 good evil and evil good 01:02:17.350 --> 01:02:20.430 and so that's where I'm standing 01:02:20.430 --> 01:02:22.670 in my life and that's what I'm doing with my music 01:02:22.670 --> 01:02:24.690 I've got a new album coming out 01:02:24.690 --> 01:02:25.730 this year that is very 01:02:26.510 --> 01:02:27.610 praise and worship centered 01:02:27.610 --> 01:02:28.830 it's still a rock and record 01:02:28.830 --> 01:02:32.650 it's kind of taking a dive 01:02:32.650 --> 01:02:34.330 into more like 01:02:34.330 --> 01:02:35.870 contemporary worship music 01:02:35.870 --> 01:02:37.550 and it's pretty rad 01:02:37.550 --> 01:02:38.910 I'm really excited about it 01:02:38.910 --> 01:02:41.510 I think everybody has to 01:02:42.390 --> 01:02:43.790 get off the couch 01:02:43.790 --> 01:02:45.270 and just get off 01:02:45.270 --> 01:02:47.330 Twitter and start doing things 01:02:47.330 --> 01:02:48.330 in their local communities 01:02:48.330 --> 01:02:51.010 they need to start having real conversations 01:02:51.010 --> 01:02:53.590 with their neighbors and building community locally 01:02:54.150 --> 01:02:54.710 because 01:02:54.710 --> 01:02:56.450 the people that are running the show 01:02:56.450 --> 01:02:58.670 do not have our best interests in mind 01:02:58.670 --> 01:03:00.170 we have to withdraw 01:03:00.170 --> 01:03:01.750 our consent to be governed 01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:06.070 I refuse to be governed 01:03:06.070 --> 01:03:06.870 by these people 01:03:06.870 --> 01:03:08.890 I want nothing to do with them 01:03:08.890 --> 01:03:11.110 they don't have any legal claims over me 01:03:11.110 --> 01:03:12.550 or mine and so I think 01:03:12.550 --> 01:03:13.910 if everybody has that attitude 01:03:13.910 --> 01:03:15.430 and lives that way 01:03:15.430 --> 01:03:17.050 we will see real change 01:03:17.050 --> 01:03:20.490 I have no zero hope of reforming 01:03:20.490 --> 01:03:21.150 the government 01:03:21.150 --> 01:03:22.910 making that better 01:03:22.910 --> 01:03:26.130 every single person in government 01:03:26.130 --> 01:03:28.110 literally every single one 01:03:28.110 --> 01:03:30.410 would need to not be allowed back 01:03:30.410 --> 01:03:31.710 and have all new people 01:03:31.710 --> 01:03:33.390 and then with only a matter of time 01:03:33.390 --> 01:03:36.570 before the powers that corrupted the other ones 01:03:36.570 --> 01:03:37.590 do the same thing to them 01:03:37.590 --> 01:03:39.370 but you'd have a buffer at least 01:03:39.370 --> 01:03:41.570 but human nature is what it is 01:03:41.570 --> 01:03:42.850 and we 01:03:42.850 --> 01:03:46.110 are susceptible to the forces of this world 01:03:46.110 --> 01:03:47.850 and that's why I'm not putting my 01:03:48.570 --> 01:03:50.330 stock in the forces of this world 01:03:50.330 --> 01:03:52.670 I'm trying to be a force for good in this world 01:03:53.390 --> 01:03:53.910 but 01:03:55.430 --> 01:03:56.930 the power I serve 01:03:56.930 --> 01:03:58.350 doesn't come from this world 01:03:58.350 --> 01:03:59.310 and so 01:03:59.310 --> 01:04:02.070 I think people need to turn 01:04:02.670 --> 01:04:03.710 toward God 01:04:03.710 --> 01:04:04.590 and find 01:04:04.590 --> 01:04:07.170 their path forward with Him 01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:09.130 they're not going to find it 01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:11.270 chasing after political leaders 01:04:11.270 --> 01:04:13.110 and putting all their hope in them 01:04:13.110 --> 01:04:14.570 you're just always going to be disappointed 01:04:14.570 --> 01:04:15.370 always 01:04:34.470 --> 01:04:36.390 we survived because 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01:05:37.610 let's tell everybody where they can find and support your work 01:05:37.610 --> 01:05:39.790 sure, well my music website 01:05:39.790 --> 01:05:40.910 is jordanpage.net 01:05:40.910 --> 01:05:41.450 super easy 01:05:42.090 --> 01:05:44.470 the big projects right now are 01:05:44.470 --> 01:05:45.870 Firefly Education Network 01:05:45.870 --> 01:05:48.030 that's at fireflyedu.org 01:05:48.030 --> 01:05:50.670 if you or someone you know wants to homeschool their kids 01:05:50.670 --> 01:05:52.890 we have built infrastructure for you 01:05:52.890 --> 01:05:54.810 we've built a platform for you 01:05:54.810 --> 01:05:55.710 it's very affordable 01:05:56.890 --> 01:05:58.810 and if you're looking for a like-minded 01:05:58.810 --> 01:06:01.050 community that wants to get out of what they're selling 01:06:01.050 --> 01:06:02.570 in the public school system, Firefly 01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:03.770 is where you should go 01:06:04.230 --> 01:06:07.010 we've got some really great partnerships so we're going to be announcing soon 01:06:07.010 --> 01:06:08.610 and we're super stoked about that 01:06:08.610 --> 01:06:10.190 I have a film coming out 01:06:10.190 --> 01:06:12.170 at the end of March called The Book of Atlas 01:06:12.170 --> 01:06:14.730 which is an animated superhero film 01:06:14.730 --> 01:06:15.870 that's crypto centered 01:06:15.870 --> 01:06:18.610 I've been in the crypto space since it really began 01:06:18.610 --> 01:06:20.550 since 2010 I've watched it grow 01:06:20.550 --> 01:06:23.130 from Bitcoin from 33 cents to what it is now 01:06:23.130 --> 01:06:25.870 and I have a deep love of blockchain technology 01:06:25.870 --> 01:06:27.510 and I created this superhero movie 01:06:27.510 --> 01:06:28.850 that is tied to Firefly 01:06:28.850 --> 01:06:31.150 so Firefly is a big component of it 01:06:31.150 --> 01:06:32.750 but it's also like this really fun 01:06:33.330 --> 01:06:34.950 epic crypto mythic 01:06:34.950 --> 01:06:36.790 story that I came up with 01:06:36.790 --> 01:06:38.690 we're going to be doing an online premiere 01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:40.710 at thebookofatlas.com 01:06:41.350 --> 01:06:43.230 and you'll be able to mint 01:06:43.230 --> 01:06:44.950 your movie ticket like an NFT 01:06:44.950 --> 01:06:46.470 and then watch the movie 01:06:46.470 --> 01:06:48.670 and we're going to be developing it into a larger 01:06:48.670 --> 01:06:51.150 a larger property and trying to expand it 01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:52.670 and have a whole cinematic universe 01:06:52.670 --> 01:06:55.130 that's really fun and I've also got the album 01:06:55.130 --> 01:06:56.550 coming out later this year 01:06:56.550 --> 01:06:58.670 and you'll be able to learn all about that 01:06:58.670 --> 01:07:00.850 on my website as we 01:07:00.850 --> 01:07:02.250 get closer to the release 01:07:02.250 --> 01:07:05.070 so album Firefly and Book of Atlas 01:07:05.070 --> 01:07:07.790 are my three really big things that are happening right now 01:07:07.790 --> 01:07:08.990 and I'm just still 01:07:08.990 --> 01:07:11.330 trying to stay alive and live as free 01:07:11.330 --> 01:07:11.830 as we can 01:07:12.970 --> 01:07:15.030 you sound like a busy man brother 01:07:15.030 --> 01:07:17.470 thank you for taking the time to come on this podcast 01:07:17.470 --> 01:07:18.490 it was a great one 01:07:19.610 --> 01:07:20.850 and we'll have to do it again 01:07:20.850 --> 01:07:21.470 I love it man 01:07:21.810 --> 01:07:23.470 thanks guys thanks for having me on this was fun 01:07:23.830 --> 01:07:24.410 thank you Jordan