WEBVTT 00:47.820 --> 00:54.140 Think I think as soon as Trump was sworn in you look at who are the major stakeholders. It's big AI 00:54.140 --> 01:02.100 Big tech look at the front row of his inauguration and in Mary Madelson in the Israeli lobby. I mean that was a coup 01:24.900 --> 01:29.920 Welcome to the last American vagabond. I'm excited to have Patrick Henning sin of 21st century wired today to discuss 01:29.920 --> 01:33.600 Largely Iran and what's been going on the massive, you know 01:33.600 --> 01:37.980 Deceptions and lies swirling around the story and possibly some other things we'd like to get into 01:37.980 --> 01:40.320 But I reached out to him because I saw that he was recently in Iran 01:40.320 --> 01:45.760 And as always it's important for me to discuss, you know to like we've had many discussions over the years with people like Vanessa 01:45.760 --> 01:50.860 Billy and a Bartlett because there's some of the few that actually go to these locations and you know speak from a place of 01:50.860 --> 01:55.220 Honesty and so Patrick is one of those people so I wanted to bite him on to discuss what he saw there 01:55.220 --> 01:59.880 And so Patrick, thank you for joining me today. How are you? It's great to be with you Ryan. I'm okay. Pretty good 01:59.880 --> 02:04.980 Yeah, chugging along. Yeah things consider, you know, that's a lot of the common response today 02:04.980 --> 02:10.920 There's a lot of madness going on in the world, but you know, I often I often asked this of people since it's something that I think is 02:11.460 --> 02:14.420 Very relevant to I mean even small conversations 02:14.420 --> 02:19.860 But all just the large ongoing deception of you know, what I see as the political two-party illusion and so on 02:19.860 --> 02:23.600 Do you feel that you've seen a shift in awareness of these larger things? 02:23.900 --> 02:25.820 whether it's a two-party illusion or 02:26.320 --> 02:30.160 You know just the dishonesty of our government at large versus, you know all the different points 02:30.160 --> 02:33.660 Do you feel that partisans are starting to see some of these long-held lies? 02:34.980 --> 02:37.780 Sure. Yeah. Um, thanks, Ryan. I look 02:39.540 --> 02:41.980 It's hard it's hard to encapsulate that question 02:42.740 --> 02:45.920 into a small answer, but I would say that 02:46.500 --> 02:49.400 these things go in phases and 02:49.400 --> 02:51.860 The the election of Donald Trump 02:52.420 --> 02:59.640 in 2016 and 2024 in many ways was a rejection of the the two-party duopoly as it were 03:00.480 --> 03:05.580 Obviously, you have to run with one of the two-party duopoly branches in order to get on 03:05.580 --> 03:10.120 Ballots and do primaries and things like that, which is why as you know, Ron Paul 03:10.760 --> 03:13.700 Went and ran under the Republican ticket in 03:13.700 --> 03:18.320 2008 and 2012 and he publicly said I you know, I prefer to be independent 03:18.320 --> 03:25.040 But it'll be impossible for me to get a national platform, which is again the problem baked into the question there 03:25.040 --> 03:32.940 But so that the the Trump phenomenon, which was it it drew on populist sentiments 03:33.620 --> 03:36.980 And especially in 2024 the Ukraine war was in full swing 03:37.480 --> 03:40.180 Trump campaigned on that he pulled all the independence 03:40.800 --> 03:44.280 Pulled all the anti-war populists pulled the libertarians 03:44.920 --> 03:47.220 Pulled all the tosy-gabards fan club 03:48.240 --> 03:50.640 Pulled all those people into this big 10 03:51.200 --> 03:57.460 And had JD Vance as his vice president saying all these we shouldn't be in Ukraine and no more endless wars 03:57.460 --> 03:59.220 No more forever wars so it worked 03:59.900 --> 04:04.960 But what they're doing what's important isn't the fact that Trump has now stabbed them all in the back 04:04.960 --> 04:07.980 That's not that that's not the point the point is 04:08.480 --> 04:14.180 That that is the actual sentiment of the American public and that's why they came on board. That's why 04:14.760 --> 04:16.720 He was able to get those votes 04:17.360 --> 04:18.180 so so 04:18.180 --> 04:24.880 You know ironically Trump coming into power was a rejection of that kind of duopoly 04:25.600 --> 04:30.280 Establishment consensus now that he's in it's this is next. This is the next phase 04:30.860 --> 04:36.000 Of this awakening this epiphany as people are realizing that actually maga was a complete fraud 04:36.760 --> 04:45.360 Trump lied they're larping as anti-war populists in order to get your vote in rust belt states like michigan, wisconsin 04:46.320 --> 04:51.400 Etc. And it worked it worked really well and it turned a lot of borderline states 04:51.980 --> 04:54.460 To give them a slight margin. They got the presidency 04:55.120 --> 04:58.760 Republicans got the house and senate pretty much on the coattails of that 04:58.760 --> 05:03.820 Because a lot of people voted down ballot because they assumed that there was going to be a whip line on policy 05:03.820 --> 05:05.280 And all these warhawk 05:05.900 --> 05:10.480 Republicans kind of kept their sort of volume down on the warmongering during the campaign 05:11.080 --> 05:14.920 And for a lot of people thought well, okay, this is the way the president's going to be 05:15.520 --> 05:18.380 redirecting foreign policy, you know give it a chance 05:19.060 --> 05:20.180 Many voted for him 05:20.840 --> 05:21.660 On that basis 05:22.260 --> 05:27.600 So now that the the illusion has been shattered. So now we see exactly what it is 05:28.280 --> 05:31.840 which is complete psychopathy and the fact that 05:31.840 --> 05:37.020 This administration more than any other in history is absolutely owned and operated by israel 05:37.520 --> 05:41.180 By by his whole cabinet was handpicked by the israeli lobby 05:41.740 --> 05:46.860 Still even the replacements will be probably as well. So and and so 05:47.560 --> 05:52.860 Now we look at what's going on in the world and there's no way that he'll you know, this 05:53.500 --> 05:58.620 President this party will never get those populists back never they'll never happen 05:59.080 --> 06:01.460 There will have to be a complete overhaul of that party 06:02.080 --> 06:05.120 The democrats are struggling to get a lot of disenchanted 06:05.580 --> 06:11.320 Uh, you know bernie sanders supporters and and others back. So the both parties are going to struggle 06:11.800 --> 06:13.840 The problem is for america 06:13.840 --> 06:15.680 This is a deeper political conversation 06:16.260 --> 06:18.780 Of which we probably don't have time to get into today 06:18.780 --> 06:24.960 But the problem with america is the institutional problems the the 06:25.440 --> 06:28.580 The faults the fatal fundamental flaws in this system 06:29.340 --> 06:34.460 Are so deep and so so wide that it even confounds reform 06:34.460 --> 06:40.580 I think at this point and uh, you know, you can have protest candidates that will emerge and you know 06:41.040 --> 06:43.660 I have many friends that are switching parties 06:44.220 --> 06:49.960 during the uh the primaries and in the in the in the midterms as well as the next president election 06:49.960 --> 06:55.540 Just to vote out republicans. These are republicans that want to vote republicans out. So they're willing 06:56.140 --> 07:00.040 Um to vote them out and then during the national vote democrat 07:00.780 --> 07:03.480 And they don't care who's running as long as it's 07:04.320 --> 07:07.480 Yeah, no, just this is such an interesting spin and this is I see that 07:08.100 --> 07:14.740 Everything so far. I'm happy about but said that last part where it's sort of like the reverse of last time where and and even part of it made sense 07:14.740 --> 07:19.300 You know, we're biden's administration was why obviously investing in the genocide and supporting it 07:19.300 --> 07:23.160 And so let's give the republicans a chance, you know, even though i people like you and I were going 07:23.160 --> 07:26.520 Well, it's probably gonna be the same, you know, but and now you do it seeing the same thing where they're 07:26.520 --> 07:30.860 You know, why can't they just stand back and see what we're talking about and be like, well, it's not one or the other 07:30.860 --> 07:34.720 It's the same continuity of the agenda and that's why I was asking that and I'm really glad, you know 07:34.720 --> 07:38.900 What you described there is is well put and very you know a deeper insight into that point 07:38.900 --> 07:43.120 And like it's kind of what I was getting at is not necessarily the team sport politics players 07:43.120 --> 07:47.740 But the average american people who have played in that game who are now starting to go hold on a minute 07:47.740 --> 07:52.640 This there's something very wrong with all of this and I just I feel that I feel like a a difference here 07:52.640 --> 07:55.860 And you know, maybe it's like you said maybe it kind of ebbs and flows over the years 07:55.860 --> 07:56.860 And maybe it's happened in the past 07:56.860 --> 07:59.160 But it's a moment and I feel like there's an opening for that 07:59.160 --> 08:04.260 And I'm just glad that and I bring it up in the context of the bigger Iran conversation because I think this is one of these moments 08:04.260 --> 08:10.880 Like post october 7th where the way they handled this has shaken people awake to all of this. It's just a it's a positive moment 08:10.880 --> 08:15.720 I would argue within all this one last one last point on this rime, which I think is important 08:16.380 --> 08:18.220 Um, you know, there's there's different 08:18.800 --> 08:22.920 Ways that we can see some of these things expressed on on small points, you know 08:22.920 --> 08:27.760 For instance, greg stoker is running for congress in the 31st district of texas 08:27.760 --> 08:29.960 And he's running under the green party 08:30.640 --> 08:37.600 And he is ostensibly, you know, you could say left wing, but he doesn't necessarily want any endorsement from the national greens 08:38.120 --> 08:44.040 Uh, because he feels like this this focus on national politics is the fundamental problem 08:44.560 --> 08:49.860 Uh, but he feels like that's a better vehicle for him to run. There's no way he's going to run democrat or republican 08:49.860 --> 08:52.080 I just spoke to him last week in texas 08:52.080 --> 08:54.860 And he's a he's an amazing guy and has a great 08:55.470 --> 08:58.200 background and his convictions are extremely strong 08:58.200 --> 09:03.220 but the point of and just to a segue of what you just said ryan is that 09:04.280 --> 09:05.580 The israel lobby 09:06.320 --> 09:11.640 Doesn't care if the republicans lose the house or the senate and that's the point 09:11.640 --> 09:14.940 And you know when people talk about continuity of agenda 09:15.600 --> 09:19.640 And they talk about it in terms of us foreign policy 09:20.340 --> 09:22.900 But this does beg the question 09:23.560 --> 09:30.500 That it's also a continuity of agenda, but underneath the the veneer of us grand strategy 09:30.980 --> 09:31.940 is israel 09:32.900 --> 09:33.660 policy 09:34.480 --> 09:35.760 desires ambitions 09:36.420 --> 09:42.660 And political maneuvering and I will argue that I know this is a big debate in the alternative media 09:42.660 --> 09:49.540 Is it uh, is is it a us imperialism or you know, or is it is israel leading us foreign policy? 09:49.640 --> 09:50.740 Does the tail wag the dog? 09:51.180 --> 09:52.960 um, or does uh 09:52.960 --> 09:59.360 Israel just merely a beachhead for us imperial interests and of course, I will argue that it's both 09:59.360 --> 10:03.660 It's a symbiotic relationship israel is allowed to pursue its greater israel project 10:03.660 --> 10:09.600 So long is that it benefits in some way us transnational corporations and the flow of global capital 10:10.280 --> 10:15.660 Uh, and in the minute it becomes an impediment for that then it they they will become a liability at that point 10:15.660 --> 10:17.460 And then their position will change 10:17.460 --> 10:20.040 um, so but the thing is 10:20.420 --> 10:26.820 The they spent 600 million dollars in the last election on republican campaigns alone 10:26.820 --> 10:31.740 Including the presidency records from the israel lobby 300 million 10:32.600 --> 10:38.540 Just for the presidency from the israeli lobby and sources. That's the record spend 10:38.540 --> 10:42.920 Now if any other country did that people would be saying that country's trying to buy influence 10:42.920 --> 10:47.220 But because israel's doing it everyone's saying no no don't look at that. It doesn't mean anything 10:47.820 --> 10:49.540 You know continuity of agenda 10:50.060 --> 10:52.700 Uh, it's just the gaslighting on this 10:53.260 --> 10:57.160 Is just unbelievable. So of course israel is not doing it for laughs 10:57.660 --> 11:03.820 They and they they're getting exactly what they want, which is to use the u.s. Military as a mercenary force 11:04.440 --> 11:11.700 Uh to do the heavy lifting to achieve their objectives, uh of regional hegemony and their hyper security paranoid 11:12.300 --> 11:13.160 hyper security 11:13.680 --> 11:15.660 Uh perimeter that they have to maintain 11:16.280 --> 11:17.740 With the united states's help 11:18.300 --> 11:22.880 And every single u.s. Base has proven now to be basically that this war proves that 11:23.380 --> 11:30.840 Marco rubio is the only honest, uh assessment that anybody gave about this war, which is that us went in because israel went in 11:31.560 --> 11:32.740 You got to take him at his word 11:33.880 --> 11:36.020 Ruby up to his credit, you know 11:36.620 --> 11:38.940 I hate to give him the credit for anything, but 11:39.920 --> 11:45.060 Again, I you know, I'm gonna go ahead and not give him credit for it because I don't want to but I think that you know 11:45.060 --> 11:50.800 It's self-interest opportunism in my opinion and you wonder what drove that is that because he's stealing that he's being 11:50.800 --> 11:53.780 Trump often tries to shock responsibility on the people around him, right? 11:53.840 --> 11:58.000 So you wonder if that was it whether it's just a slip because clearly it was it was sort of 11:58.000 --> 12:01.540 Saying the quiet part out loud and then they all kind of spot trying to hide that 12:01.540 --> 12:06.500 You know, it's it's just interesting though and but it all kind of led to this awareness more so they even I even saw 12:06.500 --> 12:11.320 Republicans start to use that very point as saying well, there you go. It's not trump's fault israel tricked him 12:11.320 --> 12:16.520 But then people like us, whoa, whoa, that's what we've been saying the entire time that israel's been here trying to influence this 12:16.520 --> 12:20.880 But it's just it's an evolving understanding of this and now the truth in its own way is being used to sort of 12:20.880 --> 12:24.460 Give them an out, you know, and I it's this speaks to what I think is a larger kind of 12:25.340 --> 12:28.320 destabilization or just kind of collapse of this what we were just talking about 12:28.320 --> 12:31.440 But one last thing on this before and again, you're right 12:31.440 --> 12:34.680 This this is an important conversation and it really has a lot of a lot of meat to it 12:34.680 --> 12:36.920 But I think the maga point that you referenced there 12:36.920 --> 12:37.400 I agree 12:37.400 --> 12:37.980 But I would 12:38.420 --> 12:41.980 Fine tune it to say that I believe and I think this is kind of what you were saying that that 12:42.440 --> 12:45.240 I believe the majority but a lot of them at the very least of the people in the 12:46.320 --> 12:49.900 Conservative maga movement not the republican team sport side, but just the average people 12:49.900 --> 12:53.520 Believe those things like you were saying right they wanted those we want these agenda 12:53.520 --> 12:57.720 That's why they pretend to fight for these things. It's the fake maga side of the government 12:57.720 --> 13:01.220 Right like the maha thing people say it's a fake movement. I think the movement's real 13:01.220 --> 13:04.820 I think mag is real. I think the government and the teams for players have lied to them 13:04.820 --> 13:08.580 I think that's an important distinction because it shows that we're saying is most americans are like 13:08.580 --> 13:12.380 We want these things. We want this change. So it's time to lean into that, you know 13:12.380 --> 13:17.800 Yeah, I mean just last thing last thing and this is it's these are all important issues 13:18.220 --> 13:21.600 for us to to discuss and unpack and 13:22.020 --> 13:25.760 To me, there's a fundamental flaw now and and it should be 13:26.340 --> 13:30.900 Visible to honest people at this point and there are a lot of conscientious people that are now 13:31.380 --> 13:33.400 Seeing this including whistleblowers 13:34.060 --> 13:37.220 Um and other people like this and more so I think we'll come forward 13:37.720 --> 13:44.340 The whole premise of this is me talking as american by the way, and I'm in a ostensibly red state 13:44.340 --> 13:47.060 Not for long. Maybe it's purple arizona 13:47.720 --> 13:49.900 But make america great again 13:50.310 --> 13:56.060 The the idea behind it is just it's it's it's a preposterous fallacy 13:56.430 --> 14:03.020 The whole idea and then america first is even worse because america first it plays well to a domestic audience 14:03.510 --> 14:10.480 but how it's translated is that uh america if anybody who's making any gains in the world 14:10.810 --> 14:18.100 Is doing it at the expense of america first so that we must confront china because america first 14:18.520 --> 14:25.560 Anything that china or russia or iran or any country or mexico or brazil or whatever 14:26.120 --> 14:28.660 Anything any progress they make is a zero-sum 14:29.180 --> 14:36.520 Uh world view which is a zero-sum game world view which is that we can't allow anybody to rise and it plays into this 14:36.520 --> 14:37.580 Thucydides trap 14:38.340 --> 14:42.960 mentality that any rising power must be confronted and put down by force 14:43.500 --> 14:49.200 If necessary and it justifies this muscular u.s. Foreign policy and that to me 14:49.200 --> 14:53.900 I think is the fundamental flaw in the american world view in 2026 14:54.340 --> 14:58.820 Is that america cannot imagine a world where it is not the sole? 14:59.360 --> 15:02.580 Unipolar hegemon this to me is a failure of imagination 15:03.280 --> 15:06.880 And you have to as an empire you have two choices you can either reimagine 15:06.880 --> 15:14.340 You're placed in the world and accommodate that and adjust and evolve as a society and that has start at the political 15:14.960 --> 15:17.820 Level it needs to start at the political level needs a vision 15:17.820 --> 15:25.640 Um in a compelling future that people can buy into if you don't do that then you will be the defeated empire you will eventually 15:26.160 --> 15:29.400 Uh be ground under the wheels of your own hubris 15:29.940 --> 15:35.680 And so it's it's a choice and americans need to understand all these slogans like maga and american first 15:35.680 --> 15:37.520 These are desperate 15:38.380 --> 15:40.640 Desperate moves by a culture 15:40.640 --> 15:46.260 That's just clinging to some kind of grandeur or the past. It reminds me of the british empire 15:46.880 --> 15:50.660 It's the same type of mentality. It's a rule britannia britannia rules of waves 15:50.660 --> 15:56.180 People will be cheering that in the football stadiums until like literally everybody in the country is in abject poverty 15:56.180 --> 15:59.100 They'll still be waving that flag and singing those songs 15:59.800 --> 16:04.960 Even though and they're alluding to a past grandeur that simply doesn't exist anymore 16:04.960 --> 16:09.660 Just like americans and the europeans are alluding to a past world 16:09.660 --> 16:15.920 Where the europeans dominated for 1 000 years a whole millennium western civilization as they call it 16:15.920 --> 16:22.500 But their their whole idea of grand strategy is based on 100 years ago. China was a backwater 16:23.040 --> 16:28.540 Was economic backwater russia for the most part was in a rural economic backwater 16:28.540 --> 16:33.620 Uh and only the advanced west had the competitive advantage. That's not the world 16:33.620 --> 16:38.380 We live in anymore. You have india china russia. You have the bricks countries the global south 16:38.380 --> 16:42.820 That's this idea of dominance is predicated on a 16:42.820 --> 16:48.160 Anglo-american world view that is you know 200 to 100 years old 16:48.160 --> 16:50.780 That's the software the brazinski 16:51.380 --> 16:57.920 Mackinder software that our leadership are still running on that the marco rubies of the world are running on that 16:57.920 --> 16:59.560 all these fanatics like 16:59.560 --> 17:06.880 Sebastian gorka and all these just nutjobs that are surrounded surrounding donald trump. That's their idea 17:06.880 --> 17:08.140 steven miller 17:08.140 --> 17:12.460 You know this they're still living in that world right and as this is a problem 17:13.080 --> 17:15.480 Because this is what fox news is inculcating 17:16.300 --> 17:22.920 Half the population with and other mainstream outlets and see this this is my this is like and so what i see in that is 17:22.920 --> 17:26.700 Like but it's a good point to make there because like i often point out within that discussion 17:26.700 --> 17:31.300 I do the point i just made before is that you know and that may mean that we see differently what that should be 17:31.300 --> 17:32.460 Making america great again 17:32.460 --> 17:37.500 We may desperately very much disagree on what that should be and and i disagree with a lot of the statements 17:37.500 --> 17:41.660 They make about where some of these honest people want from them, but the point is they were still lied to by trump 17:42.140 --> 17:43.200 They're still yeah 17:43.200 --> 17:44.500 Even they thought was going to happen 17:44.500 --> 17:46.860 And so it's like this kind of moment where we're all even though 17:46.860 --> 17:50.860 We disagree on some of these things and in some very dangerous ways the government is still playing all of us 17:50.860 --> 17:55.440 You know it's like this really interesting moment and hopefully within that we can find some solidarity as just american people 17:55.440 --> 17:58.900 Being suppressed by a power. You know it it's an important conversation, man 17:58.900 --> 18:01.200 I mean, you know, we should probably have an interview discuss this entirely 18:01.780 --> 18:05.180 Why is it important ryan? It's it's important because 18:05.880 --> 18:10.800 If we if we maintain if americans maintain this worldview that they must be number one 18:10.800 --> 18:15.560 And at all costs and whatever it takes and and certain actions are justified 18:16.660 --> 18:23.060 Without any justification what they're what they're doing is dehumanizing or creating second-tier humans 18:23.060 --> 18:28.360 In other countries and I think that's the general attitude americans are not bothered by 18:28.360 --> 18:30.660 civilians being slaughtered in iran 18:30.660 --> 18:36.420 Or gaza or south lebanon. They really don't care. They might care a little bit about gaza 18:36.990 --> 18:41.160 At least on the left and the left is coming around on on iran a little bit 18:41.160 --> 18:45.820 But it's south lebanon. It's just it doesn't mean anything to them. So they think that 18:46.360 --> 18:48.280 Somehow all of this is justified 18:48.280 --> 18:52.700 And you know, it's okay to to to bomb 30 universities 18:53.260 --> 18:56.480 And destroy the entire higher education system of iran 18:57.220 --> 19:04.700 In three weeks like they did in gaza. It's okay to do that. Why because you know, iran's dangerous and they really shouldn't be allowed to develop 19:05.440 --> 19:06.860 Because america first 19:07.660 --> 19:14.820 You know and and and israel's our greatest friend and ally and somehow you you can bake that all together in some really weird omelette 19:15.500 --> 19:19.580 And and that's that's kind of where the american mentality is. I mean we need to value 19:20.440 --> 19:24.520 iranians the iranian children and and and men and women not just 19:24.520 --> 19:30.860 Children but and women but men too humans. We need to value them on the same level. We value our own children 19:31.340 --> 19:32.160 and our own 19:32.940 --> 19:36.200 Citizens and only then can we participate in the world? 19:36.720 --> 19:38.020 as a as an actor 19:38.760 --> 19:43.180 That's that's that's existing within the world and not trying to lord over it 19:43.180 --> 19:47.940 And that's the problem america is facing. That's a big. That's a classic imperial 19:48.740 --> 19:51.480 Problem, you know, but it's especially bad today 19:52.100 --> 19:55.740 In the 21st century in our democracy because our democracy 19:56.380 --> 20:02.220 Has us bamboozled to think that somehow we have this advanced system of governance and 20:04.220 --> 20:07.840 Plating in front of the world right now, which is an interesting conversation to get into around the iran point 20:07.840 --> 20:12.820 Where this kind of lie about, you know, at least to some degree about the ability to just be insurmountably 20:12.820 --> 20:17.080 You know it seems that they lied about a lot of that at least misled people to think they were stronger than they were 20:17.080 --> 20:19.900 Or maybe they misled themselves to believe they were stronger than they were 20:19.900 --> 20:23.360 But I would add too on that that, you know, it's I think at the end of the day 20:23.800 --> 20:25.720 You know, I just I feel like right now 20:26.220 --> 20:29.260 It's you could be right and I hope that I hope the case is that 20:29.260 --> 20:34.500 More off more than not want good things from the world or want to you know care about human life 20:34.500 --> 20:36.620 But I would and I would argue though regardless 20:36.620 --> 20:40.520 I think it's a larger number than we are led to believe in this country 20:40.520 --> 20:46.160 And I would argue that the very least it we should be aware which I know you are of the propaganda of the partisan game 20:46.160 --> 20:49.480 That wants us to believe that, you know, sort of like the trick of zionism to make us think 20:49.480 --> 20:52.180 It's only jewish people that are ruling these that which is not the truth 20:52.180 --> 20:57.120 But that's it's the game of you know, it behooves us to hope that more people are seeing this than not 20:57.120 --> 21:00.060 I would argue, you know, and I do believe it. I think more people are starting to see this 21:00.060 --> 21:04.640 But definitely under that opinion, you know, definitely massive awakening is a massive awakening 21:05.400 --> 21:07.180 And I think it's just going to increase 21:07.920 --> 21:11.860 By orders of magnitude in the next year. It's going to be amazing actually 21:12.380 --> 21:15.700 Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm glad to hear that. It's just, you know, we get at least, you know 21:15.700 --> 21:17.460 See that positive change and lean into it 21:17.460 --> 21:22.480 And so let's talk about what you saw in Iran and because I do like the reason I started with that point in general 21:22.480 --> 21:24.900 And some of the stuff we we just discussed right there 21:24.900 --> 21:29.460 It's very relevant to this and just about every other conversation foreign policy related or domestically 21:29.460 --> 21:34.120 And so what's happening around this and if we if we touch on the end if we get to we talk about some of the 21:34.120 --> 21:37.000 Technocratic connections, there's a larger global play in all this 21:37.000 --> 21:40.380 And so feel free to get into some of that if you think that that connects with what you saw 21:40.380 --> 21:42.360 But let me let me know what you think about, you know 21:42.360 --> 21:46.380 So well you went to Iran, which I think is important to point out that you were there reporting 21:46.380 --> 21:52.060 Which first let's start with, you know, what you saw and what you felt the contradictions were or start with what you think was important 21:52.480 --> 21:55.900 Yeah, so I was there. I was there and I arrived like 21:56.500 --> 21:58.840 Approximately like two weeks before the bomb started dropping 21:58.840 --> 22:03.260 And then I left sort of a week before the bombs began to drop 22:03.260 --> 22:07.120 I knew it could have been war at any moment in the us had already positioned their 22:07.120 --> 22:08.340 naval assets 22:09.030 --> 22:13.220 Off the you know around the sort of Gulf of Oman and in the Arabian sea 22:13.220 --> 22:17.060 So I I knew that the couple of things that 22:17.750 --> 22:21.100 If I wanted to go it might be my last chance for a while 22:21.100 --> 22:24.120 So I just thought I had an opportunity. I got press accreditation 22:24.860 --> 22:29.620 And it was like logistic logistical nightmare. There were just so many obstacles to going 22:30.180 --> 22:33.260 And it was only issued a short visa because 22:33.880 --> 22:35.400 Of the security situation 22:35.400 --> 22:39.380 They were expecting war basically and that means all the airports would be shut down 22:39.380 --> 22:43.480 If if they're if not bombed during that first wave of attacks 22:43.480 --> 22:47.540 So I was conscious that all this is going to happen. So I knew I needed to get there 22:47.540 --> 22:50.160 You know, there's a couple of things I really needed to 22:50.680 --> 22:53.560 Because I had very strong opinions on these Iranian protests 22:54.120 --> 22:54.860 that happened 22:55.460 --> 23:00.320 In december and january and you know from there. I'm arguing a hypothetical point of view 23:00.320 --> 23:02.960 But I'm also based it on data which I can glean 23:03.720 --> 23:09.900 And analysis of people that I trust as opposed to you know, typical mainstream media or what the white house is saying 23:09.900 --> 23:15.380 Or what israel's saying or with the iranian diaspora the palavi royalists are saying so 23:16.160 --> 23:21.760 So going there would give me a little bit of an extra advantage in my understanding 23:21.760 --> 23:23.720 in comparison to the 23:23.720 --> 23:31.020 See of voices that we're saying that the regime killed slaughtered, you know, 20 30 40 50 60 23:31.020 --> 23:35.660 thousand of their own peaceful democratic protesters and 23:35.660 --> 23:41.040 It's a bloodthirsty regime and it's it's on the verge of toppling. All of these things are connected 23:41.790 --> 23:42.180 so 23:42.730 --> 23:47.300 When I arrived I straight away immediate immediately understood 23:47.860 --> 23:53.340 As I stood amongst 2 million people on the streets in Tehran who were all there for the national rally 23:53.820 --> 23:56.660 Which is the anniversary of the islamic revolution 23:57.700 --> 24:04.500 All basically supporting the government at a time when they could be attacked at any second and everyone's very conscious of that 24:04.500 --> 24:06.900 Everybody there is fully aware 24:08.000 --> 24:11.900 By israel or you mean by the by okay good. Yeah 24:11.900 --> 24:15.580 Somebody could hear that as you meaning the iranian government could attack them there 24:15.580 --> 24:21.160 Or bombing from outside which way you mean that they could be bombed by america or israel at any moment 24:21.680 --> 24:25.200 At any moment. So, you know, it's uh, it was incredible 24:25.200 --> 24:30.260 So it was very clear to me that the higher the level of threats 24:30.820 --> 24:33.340 That the more solidarity the more cohesion 24:33.900 --> 24:38.460 You get in iranian society even at that moment before the you know official 24:39.200 --> 24:44.140 Phase of the war started on the february 28th. So I knew that that was absolutely a fact 24:44.800 --> 24:50.620 And so that ticked that box in terms of my understanding of how society moves with the political 24:51.240 --> 24:54.500 realities in that country and then the relationship with the leader and the 24:54.500 --> 25:00.420 The other thing is the the system of government there is completely unlike it's alien to anything that we have 25:00.980 --> 25:06.160 In the west in in a certain way. It's a lot more democratic because there's a lot more consensus 25:06.880 --> 25:10.920 building at at the levels of uh, of national office 25:11.520 --> 25:13.660 regional and local government 25:14.140 --> 25:18.900 And the same way with their law enforcement are also broken down into national regional 25:19.460 --> 25:24.240 You know regional stroke state and then local. Um, so there's a lot of accountability 25:25.020 --> 25:30.220 Within this it's the islamic republic of iran. It was islamic republic 25:30.660 --> 25:33.040 So and I didn't fully appreciate the differences 25:34.720 --> 25:35.360 Of 25:36.140 --> 25:40.200 Say not actually the similarities is as a republic every single position is 25:40.200 --> 25:46.600 Democratic elected even the supreme leader is is democratic elected albeit by a special council 25:47.240 --> 25:51.500 An expert council, but the supreme leader plays the role sort of like the pope 25:51.500 --> 25:56.100 Right would play in the catholic church, but it's but instead the people 25:56.520 --> 25:59.460 The consensus in iran is that they want religion 25:59.460 --> 26:03.640 They want faith to be at the center of of society and that includes 26:04.180 --> 26:07.080 To be a mitigating factor with government 26:07.840 --> 26:11.900 So it's an intermediary like like the think of the moscow patriarch 26:12.940 --> 26:13.540 kareel 26:14.260 --> 26:18.040 And putin goes to speak to kareel about a big issue 26:18.040 --> 26:21.520 And kareel will then speak about it in the the orthodox 26:21.520 --> 26:24.340 Uh clergy will speak about it in their sermons 26:24.340 --> 26:30.280 And that's how you build consensus in other words that you must go through the church because the people 26:30.920 --> 26:33.720 value faith they value their religious institutions 26:34.430 --> 26:40.480 They're pro-family. They're very concerned iran socially conservative. It's extremely quote anti-woke 26:41.320 --> 26:44.300 Extremely so they they are socially conservative 26:44.300 --> 26:50.580 But what's funny is the is the neo conservatives and the neo liberals in america will 26:50.580 --> 26:53.700 Attack them for being socially conservative 26:54.350 --> 27:01.800 And will ram the lgbt woke issues down their throat even though it's anti-woke warriors like ben chapiro and all these other 27:01.800 --> 27:03.220 sort of grifters 27:03.880 --> 27:10.780 In the u.s political conversation or tommy robinson they they will then they'll weaponize the woke, you know 27:11.320 --> 27:14.020 trans or lgbt agenda in order to 27:14.020 --> 27:16.420 Use as a battering ram against 27:17.160 --> 27:23.080 The iranian government the syrian government or any enemy of israel practically. It's amazing how that works 27:23.080 --> 27:24.900 I find that to be right 27:24.900 --> 27:29.700 Quite extraordinary. Um, but it's not by accident. They do that intentionally 27:29.700 --> 27:34.380 So that so if if if the other thing is there's no pure persian 27:34.380 --> 27:36.300 There's no pure persian 27:36.300 --> 27:39.960 It's iranian they unite under a national flag 27:39.960 --> 27:46.020 A national identity just like america unites under a national flag and national identity 27:46.410 --> 27:51.920 So when they us assassinated the supreme leader who is ostensibly a moderate 27:52.750 --> 27:58.100 By by a lot of people's estimations who issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons 27:58.580 --> 28:03.700 The opposite of what the white house claimed. He was a bloodthirsty terrorist and all this other stuff 28:03.700 --> 28:05.460 so when they assassinated him 28:06.300 --> 28:08.760 They they said they thought the country would fragment 28:08.760 --> 28:13.220 They thought they would the people would just capitulate would would you know fall apart? 28:13.400 --> 28:18.720 Just like if if if somebody assassinated the u.s president with a missile strike on the white house 28:18.720 --> 28:21.720 What do you think the reaction of them? Do you think americans would just? 28:22.520 --> 28:26.640 Surrender and fall apart. I mean even the people that would be against the president 28:26.640 --> 28:32.860 Would rally together against the external enemy and it's like common sense. This is just under a national flag 28:32.860 --> 28:34.240 so the problem is 28:34.800 --> 28:39.060 americans and people in the west in general, but they project 28:39.670 --> 28:45.760 They project their idea of what a country and what a national identity is or their cynicism 28:46.730 --> 28:52.180 About government they project that on everybody else and then they assume that 28:52.180 --> 29:01.060 That the uranians don't have exactly the same thing under a republican form of government because as islamic the word islamic 29:01.060 --> 29:06.900 Somehow disqualifies them in the eyes of the west as being a legitimate society 29:06.900 --> 29:11.800 A legitimate form of government. So then they ascribe quickly is islamist terrorist 29:11.800 --> 29:17.280 Iran is the number one state sponsor of terror, which is completely fake. It's a told it's totally false 29:17.280 --> 29:20.020 so but you build up all of these sort of 29:20.740 --> 29:21.060 Um 29:23.280 --> 29:30.740 Viewpoints and these characteristics in the mind of the west and then that basically opens the door for you can just pour tons of propaganda 29:30.740 --> 29:35.420 Into that framework and that's how you that's how you pollute the american mind 29:35.420 --> 29:41.500 You have to carve out the framework and you just pour that you just pour the plaster in you just you create the mold 29:41.500 --> 29:49.060 The mold is created with propaganda and conditioning and you do that over years and you can even it even stays in the american mind 29:49.060 --> 29:49.740 if you noticed 29:50.530 --> 29:55.140 And i've studied propaganda for many years. I've also lectured at the university level 29:55.140 --> 30:02.440 um on propaganda and counter propaganda and the the the cold war created such an anti russian animus 30:02.910 --> 30:03.240 uh 30:03.240 --> 30:07.800 In the u.s. Mind in the western mind, but that framework stayed 30:08.730 --> 30:10.640 generationally and then when the russia gate 30:10.640 --> 30:14.120 Hokes was launched all they did was pour in 30:14.120 --> 30:20.520 Propaganda into an existing mental framework that had already been etched out for generations before 30:20.520 --> 30:22.740 In the same with the global war on terror 30:22.740 --> 30:26.360 They're they're using a 9 11 a post 9 11 30:26.920 --> 30:27.320 uh 30:27.880 --> 30:32.820 psychological framework to to to pour in a new round of anti- iranian propaganda 30:33.360 --> 30:37.220 And there's even people saying now iran's responsible for for 9 11 30:37.220 --> 30:42.260 I even saw i think it was mark levine or somebody saying that iran's responsible for the uh 30:42.260 --> 30:47.620 70 000 dead palestinians in gaza and it wasn't it was in israeli no as a fox news pundit 30:47.620 --> 30:51.180 um, but they're making this argument that iran is somehow 30:51.860 --> 30:52.260 uh 30:52.880 --> 30:54.040 Funding terrorism 30:54.040 --> 31:00.180 So then you have to believe that hamas is a terrorist organization and not an armed liberation struggle 31:00.180 --> 31:02.500 That's that's resisting an occupation 31:02.500 --> 31:07.560 Then you have to believe that hezbollah is a terrorist organization and not a local militia 31:07.560 --> 31:12.100 That's an armed liberation struggle opposing israeli occupation 31:12.880 --> 31:18.060 And you have to believe that the hash to shabi is a terrorist organization and not iraq 31:18.060 --> 31:21.120 Iraq's people's mobilization units that were formed to 31:22.120 --> 31:23.180 Defeat isis 31:23.180 --> 31:28.060 And you have to believe that the irgc is a terrorist organization and not the actual 31:28.560 --> 31:35.240 Defense force of a un sovereign member state the resomic republic of iran or the so 31:35.240 --> 31:35.980 Unseller movement 31:35.980 --> 31:38.380 Another good example 31:38.980 --> 31:45.640 And and we could we could add a few more to that so i will argue ryan here and we're getting a little bit off the off the track 31:46.180 --> 31:47.740 To to a big hypothesis 31:47.740 --> 31:53.220 But every problem we have now in the international system the breakdown of international law 31:53.220 --> 31:58.560 The the the onset of world war three the the actual attack on the u.s 31:59.400 --> 32:02.660 Constitution first amendment specifically you look at the anti 32:03.540 --> 32:07.640 Putting down the anti genocide protests across american campuses 32:08.340 --> 32:13.400 And and rubio and the trump administration were predicating this in the israeli lobby and jonathan greenblatt 32:13.400 --> 32:17.140 That this was a pro hamas. These are pro terror rallies 32:17.140 --> 32:23.060 So the abuse of the term terrorism and the labeling a political arbitrary labeling 32:23.060 --> 32:28.340 Of palestine action in the uk for instance as a terrorist group right across the board 32:28.340 --> 32:31.440 It's destroying all of our western legal framework 32:31.440 --> 32:38.860 Right, it's it. This is the number one problem and they'll say and i even hear like, uh, who is it, uh 32:38.860 --> 32:40.260 jonathan stewart 32:40.800 --> 32:44.840 jonathan stewart the comedian he'll he'll caveat everything that oh 32:44.840 --> 32:51.480 Well, look it's the mullahs are still bloodthirsty dictators right in iran this so again back to your question ryan 32:51.480 --> 32:57.080 I was there i'm american they'd have every reason in the world to absolutely hate me 32:57.080 --> 33:01.000 Because my country my government are threatening their existence 33:01.620 --> 33:03.020 And I was treated 33:03.020 --> 33:10.700 Better than well, you know, I was treated as a fellow human being in that country the iranians are 33:11.640 --> 33:14.560 um exemplary uh in terms of 33:14.560 --> 33:17.400 Uh as intellects as an intellectual society 33:18.000 --> 33:24.880 Their hospitality is beyond legendary. They're warm. Uh, there's so much love there when you visit that country 33:24.880 --> 33:29.880 It's incredible how it's been characterized by the israeli and the u.s. Mainstream media 33:30.480 --> 33:33.280 And our politicians is the opposite of what it is 33:33.280 --> 33:38.860 They're not kosim sulimani wasn't a terrorist, right? They said that to justify his assassination 33:39.300 --> 33:44.220 He however was fighting against our terrorists our al qaeda and isis 33:44.220 --> 33:50.480 Uh creations that we armed that we funded that we provided air cover for with our our air forces 33:51.040 --> 33:54.560 That that that's who iran was that's who kosim sulimani was fighting 33:55.200 --> 33:56.840 Uh in iraq and in syria 33:56.840 --> 34:02.700 Uh, has below. Yeah, well the death of america overlap and and the point of which has been made clear 34:02.700 --> 34:07.140 It's you know, they're whether they believe them or not that they're discussing the government and all of that 34:07.140 --> 34:09.340 And it's not it's not only that ryan 34:09.340 --> 34:16.620 It's good ryan. It's not it's not even that the government has never gone and led death to america chance 34:16.620 --> 34:17.940 This is from the people 34:18.880 --> 34:25.420 This is from iranian crowds like and not very often you might see it here and there you might see it on the on the red 34:25.420 --> 34:25.960 ticker tape 34:25.960 --> 34:32.580 Uh in some some mosques, which i did i did see in northern tarana a few years ago when i was there like 10 years ago 34:32.580 --> 34:34.280 I saw this at death to america 34:34.720 --> 34:39.000 On on the ticker tape in the mosque, but what they're saying is death to this 34:39.000 --> 34:45.100 Uh, this american empire, right that is that is killing our scientists 34:45.560 --> 34:46.340 that is 34:46.340 --> 34:48.400 destroying our country that is 34:48.400 --> 34:53.480 Uh ruining us through embargo and sanctions and blockades is overthrowing our governments 34:54.020 --> 35:00.660 Um, and that is backing israel who is attacking us. Um, that's that's and it's not even the government 35:00.660 --> 35:07.000 It's not the governments of that's a lie by the trump administration saying they've been chanting death to america for 40 years 35:07.000 --> 35:12.080 This is what maga supporters and bots will say what i was going to say is ultimately the point was that 35:12.080 --> 35:15.040 Government or people same point is that from the government's perspective? 35:15.280 --> 35:18.100 They have clarified and i'm sure you've seen many points of which they say look 35:18.640 --> 35:22.940 We're and even i think there was even like a whole thing written about how this is about the empire and about the government 35:22.940 --> 35:27.260 To veron's perspective aiming at the u.s. Government like that's what we're from the government's perspective 35:27.260 --> 35:30.840 but then the people at the same point is that if you it's it's about the the 35:31.660 --> 35:35.680 Occupation the influence the destabilization and whether at one point that was the same thing to them 35:35.680 --> 35:39.020 I think it's become clear to people because of the internet and other things that it is the empire 35:39.020 --> 35:44.120 Not the people and I feel I've seen endless examples of that of people who travel there or people 35:44.120 --> 35:48.260 Whether journalists or just average people that tell you the ronians love americans 35:48.260 --> 35:50.140 Which I almost find confounding with where we are 35:50.140 --> 35:53.860 But it seems to be the consistent opinion that I get from people that actually speak to iranians 35:53.860 --> 35:56.480 And so it's an interesting overlap and i'm glad you made that point that it's 35:56.480 --> 35:59.680 But we're not still american people in their minds in a general sense 35:59.680 --> 36:03.080 It's about the stopping the empire and the destabilization of the world 36:03.080 --> 36:08.820 Which is what most of these groups seem to be fighting the danger the danger with this um generally ryan is 36:09.020 --> 36:15.040 The the the binary um our binary view of the world, especially the american view of the world. It's very binary 36:15.040 --> 36:19.280 It's us and them is that the americans will look at 36:19.280 --> 36:23.780 Iran if they believe the propaganda that the mullahs slaughtered 30 000 36:24.380 --> 36:29.900 Protesters, which is total fabrication. I can say that categorically completely fake 36:30.580 --> 36:35.340 I've seen myself with my own eyes the evidence of uh agent provocateurs 36:35.340 --> 36:37.240 rioting armed 36:37.820 --> 36:42.560 Agent provocateur shooting at police using the crowd as human shields burning ems of 36:43.100 --> 36:50.460 Vehicles and attacking ems and fire people when they came to put out fires burning mosques. I like who burns mosques in iran 36:50.460 --> 36:54.880 I mean honestly and anyway, I saw evidence of this police being burned alive 36:54.880 --> 36:58.920 Being doused with petroleum and then lit on fire by these so-called 36:59.500 --> 37:04.700 Democratic protesters who weren't uh democrat many paid many armed many provocateurs 37:05.260 --> 37:07.540 Drugs were narcotics were distributed 37:08.320 --> 37:11.560 To certain groups of youth as I'm sure you know 37:11.560 --> 37:17.620 So so what why this is important is the american reaction to the to the narrative 37:18.060 --> 37:21.360 Would be well the people must rise up to overthrow 37:21.960 --> 37:25.900 Their government and if they don't then the people are condoning 37:26.540 --> 37:34.300 The mullahs regimes violence therefore if the people are subconsciously americans believe if the people then become collateral damage 37:34.700 --> 37:37.620 In the subsequent airstrikes well, it's unfortunate 37:37.620 --> 37:42.660 But they deserve it because they didn't overthrow their government. That's what we projected on libya 37:42.660 --> 37:47.420 That's what we projected on all of these countries where we have ideas about regime change 37:47.420 --> 37:48.940 Is that it's in a way? 37:48.980 --> 37:54.480 It's the people's fault because they haven't risen up the iranians if they wanted they could say the same thing about america 37:54.480 --> 38:02.200 Clearly the biggest terrorists on the planet are the united states and israel and but they could easily be cynical like the americans 38:02.200 --> 38:06.560 Are generally which is they sort of and blame the american people for not 38:07.340 --> 38:11.420 overthrowing donald trump who's quite obviously the most naked war criminal 38:12.400 --> 38:14.600 Of since probably world war two 38:15.080 --> 38:22.160 On the on the world stage. So it's and we we have nothing to say about all we care about is our baseball games and march madness 38:22.680 --> 38:28.080 And the nc2a final four. That's our priority this week. Well, it's not world war three 38:28.080 --> 38:32.100 I don't think that's my opinion, but I but I could be wrong in that 38:32.100 --> 38:35.040 I think that we're growing in that direction either way like we talked about earlier 38:35.040 --> 38:39.600 But I just think it's important that we consider that that they I think it's in the interest of the empire to make us think 38:39.600 --> 38:42.540 That that's what we all want well brent circus and I don't I think 38:42.540 --> 38:48.880 But the thing is at some point ryan if we continue down this road towards towards a a thermo nuclear 38:49.560 --> 38:50.000 exchange 38:51.000 --> 38:56.440 Then that's that's going to be the end result because if countries like russia or china or 38:57.040 --> 38:59.020 iran or north korea feel that 38:59.880 --> 39:02.800 That the west will not and israel will not give up 39:03.460 --> 39:11.740 In regime change and will not give up in destroying their society, which we're witnessing now in iran. They're trying to destroy iranian 39:12.420 --> 39:13.060 universities 39:14.260 --> 39:16.480 educational institutions places of worship 39:16.480 --> 39:24.200 UNESCO world heritage sites we're bombing and destroying all of that then and if we do this to russia continually with ukraine 39:24.200 --> 39:26.380 Okay, at some point 39:27.110 --> 39:32.860 These countries might get together and say actually the biggest threat to our existence is the united states of america 39:32.860 --> 39:38.980 So so they would they would then be justified to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the united states 39:39.580 --> 39:42.820 And and at that point it doesn't matter what we think 39:43.340 --> 39:45.940 It's it's we're into a world of hell 39:46.540 --> 39:47.620 and the human race 39:48.600 --> 39:51.860 Existence is then on the precipice of it, you know 39:52.680 --> 39:55.100 Terminal decline or extinction at that point 39:55.100 --> 39:57.100 And so it's you know 39:58.000 --> 39:59.340 I'm wanting to preempt 40:00.240 --> 40:05.940 You as well. I'm sure in our our colleagues in the more conscientious end of the media are trying to preempt that 40:06.500 --> 40:11.080 From happening. We do we don't want it to get that far, which is why we do what we do 40:11.080 --> 40:14.840 But the average american I don't think they understand the risks 40:15.460 --> 40:20.140 Of what what america is doing in the world that this is not without a cost 40:20.140 --> 40:26.520 Right the cost the cost will come home. So forget about your 401ks or your retirement or your house by the lake 40:26.520 --> 40:28.660 Is none of that's going to mean anything 40:29.120 --> 40:36.100 If you allow our government and our leadership and our big industries our big ai or big military industrial 40:36.580 --> 40:40.880 To continue down this road, you know, it might you might be fine for a while 40:41.480 --> 40:47.120 You might be fine for a while, you know, you might survive the collapse of the u.s. Dollar fine, but uh, you know 40:47.120 --> 40:52.460 That that that did not going to make you immune from the geopolitical realities of living in a thermonuclear 40:53.000 --> 40:59.080 Uh armed world and you have to be very careful america has to again reimagine itself in the world 40:59.080 --> 41:03.260 In the future, I want to stress too that you know, it's it's not this is not hyperbole 41:03.260 --> 41:06.080 You know for those that out there, you know, we could talk about the samson option 41:06.080 --> 41:12.680 We could talk about, you know seamer hirsch's book about we could talk about all the different discussion points about why it's clear that is real one 41:12.680 --> 41:13.240 is 41:13.240 --> 41:17.200 Clearly willing and capable to act out in ways that you know destructive 41:17.700 --> 41:19.800 To potentially global catastrophe ways 41:19.800 --> 41:22.580 But the point is that they would be capable of doing something 41:22.580 --> 41:24.620 I mean have a plan about you know using nuclear weapons 41:24.620 --> 41:29.860 Should they be in a point of weakness or destruction and it's like this is not something that should be dismissed as some hype 41:29.860 --> 41:33.940 You know a conspiracy theory and so it's in the past the reason i'm saying that in the past 41:33.940 --> 41:38.300 You know, I feel like people like alex jones will will hype the idea of a world ending world war three 41:38.300 --> 41:41.160 And playing sometimes where it feels there were you know reasons to be concerned 41:41.160 --> 41:44.320 But in ways that keep people on the edge of their seat all the time about the yet 41:44.320 --> 41:49.500 You know every day is a new threat about we're about to be destroyed by nuclear war and we're at a point where i've never seen it more 41:49.500 --> 41:50.360 you know like 41:51.240 --> 41:53.080 I don't want to say likely. I don't want to scare anybody 41:53.080 --> 41:57.960 But I think we're at a point where that is a actual possibility where in the past it was always possible 41:57.960 --> 42:00.640 But I feel like it was you're dealing with people that were unwilling 42:01.000 --> 42:06.620 You know, I would like to believe you had leaders in these countries that recognized that that would destroy their interests as well 42:06.620 --> 42:11.660 And so it was always normal where now I think israel's leadership is literally belligerent and 42:11.660 --> 42:15.460 Psych, you know, the psychopathy is there, you know, and that that's what worries me about that 42:15.460 --> 42:18.480 But let me give you a quick thought thought experiment ryan 42:19.100 --> 42:23.540 One of the one of the one of the flash points in world world history 42:24.000 --> 42:31.600 You know between successions of empires and world wars is the boss for estrates, which effectively separates europe from asia 42:31.600 --> 42:35.500 Okay, let me give you a thought experiment if israel launched 42:35.500 --> 42:40.600 A major military strike and what you know on turkey on turkey 42:41.320 --> 42:43.200 And i'm talking a serious strike 42:43.780 --> 42:47.240 What do you think the reaction of the united states in europe would be at that point? 42:47.760 --> 42:53.540 Do you think they would would they would they chastise or push back against israel? 42:53.820 --> 42:56.000 Or would they find ways to demonize turkey? 42:56.600 --> 42:59.880 I'm putting that out there because that would be a trigger moment 43:00.260 --> 43:05.660 For a wider conflict it would depend to me on whether or not first they were on like so 43:05.660 --> 43:10.000 I would argue the first way would probably go is to blame somebody else right try to use a false flag dynamic 43:10.000 --> 43:13.720 But let's just say they came out and said we did this right so that's if that's the question then 43:13.720 --> 43:16.560 I would argue yes that because of how invested they are 43:17.120 --> 43:20.080 Overinvested from the u.s. Government perspective that they would have no other choice 43:20.080 --> 43:23.780 But to try to rationalize it and i'd be willing to bet you they'd first try to downplay the idea that it 43:23.780 --> 43:27.820 Was a nuke right or try to weasel in some tactical discussion about why it was okay 43:27.820 --> 43:30.820 Because trump's been the one that's been pushing the tactical direction right? 43:31.520 --> 43:35.520 It's a good point to consider though, but the turkey point is interesting to me though 43:35.520 --> 43:39.400 Because i'm not really sure where I feel I stand on where turkey truly is in all this 43:39.400 --> 43:41.100 I feel like they play it both ways a lot 43:41.100 --> 43:45.480 I think there's a lot of overlap with israel and turkey, but I have seen the interesting turn in the conversation lately 43:45.480 --> 43:48.420 So, you know, what do you think on it? Well, look 43:49.180 --> 43:53.140 Put aside the political dimension and just the reality of the fact that 43:53.780 --> 43:55.680 Israel is now extending its 43:55.680 --> 43:56.520 aggression 43:57.140 --> 44:04.740 Further right on the doorstep of europe and then the question is would europe react to stabilize the situation or to defend israel 44:04.740 --> 44:09.040 And I would argue that probably a meet that reflexively will want to defend israel 44:09.040 --> 44:16.740 I think and in the u.s. What do you think the u.s. Is reaction is the u.s. Is already making noises because israel's broadcasting 44:17.300 --> 44:22.560 That turkey is the next eran. This is what natalia benett and others are publicly saying so they're already 44:24.320 --> 44:29.740 foreshadowing that that conflict which will happen probably most likely unless there is some 44:29.740 --> 44:33.680 political restraint coming from the u.s. And so that's that's my point 44:34.300 --> 44:39.880 Is that it's rational? Maybe it's logical to want to not allow israel to do this 44:39.880 --> 44:44.500 But yet they're going to do it and the u.s. And the europeans will act accordingly 44:45.080 --> 44:51.140 That and what does that tell you about the state of the world and then that goes back to the continuity of agenda 44:51.760 --> 44:54.200 Debate, you know or the tale that wags the dog 44:54.700 --> 44:56.260 Um, you know at some point 44:56.800 --> 45:00.740 You know look look, you know people will point to the brookings institutions 45:01.940 --> 45:07.980 academic paper which path to persia was published in 2010 and they'll highlight a certain sentence 45:07.980 --> 45:12.240 About how the u.s. Were planned to pull out of the jcpoa 45:12.240 --> 45:16.460 And then use that as to pave the way for a war on iran 45:17.040 --> 45:19.780 And somebody could look at that and say well, that's the brookings institute 45:19.780 --> 45:23.200 That's a policy paper. They're giving that to the u.s. 45:23.640 --> 45:28.600 Security complex and national security advisors and presidents will read that and that becomes policy 45:29.200 --> 45:32.480 But that's one way of doing an argument there 45:32.480 --> 45:33.820 But that argument 45:34.520 --> 45:40.880 Is is actually a little bit threadbare because what I do is I'll go and look at who's funding the brookings institute 45:41.680 --> 45:43.560 And I see the biggest israeli donors 45:44.180 --> 45:47.040 And most powerful mega donors from the mega group 45:47.600 --> 45:51.800 Funding the brookings. So what are you reading there? Is that u.s continuity of agenda? 45:52.120 --> 45:57.840 Or is that an israeli continuity of agenda? I would argue follow the money. That's just me 45:58.560 --> 46:05.600 Okay, so someone may have a different opinion, but that's a good example of how one can make an argument, but then it completely ignore 46:06.240 --> 46:07.980 Uh 50 of the equation 46:08.720 --> 46:09.900 to come up with a 46:09.900 --> 46:11.940 A biased conclusion 46:12.780 --> 46:14.960 That pretty much lets israel off the hook 46:14.960 --> 46:18.740 So so what i'm saying is that let that influence is so powerful 46:18.740 --> 46:23.920 That even if they attack turkey and even if that threatened the stability of the entire western world 46:23.920 --> 46:29.620 And really put us right up against the wall with with a nuclear exchange with the likes of russia 46:30.100 --> 46:35.680 Um that they would still not be able to resist it in america that to me is extraordinary 46:36.160 --> 46:37.500 If you think about it 46:37.500 --> 46:41.740 I mean you you could argue based on and I'm like this does not meant to be you know 46:41.740 --> 46:47.740 For those that are new to the conversation. Let's say a hype hyperbole or some kind of conspiracy theory based on the evidence at hand 46:47.740 --> 46:53.680 You could argue it is one in the same that these agendas have like that whether this agenda or just the national security 46:54.240 --> 46:56.300 Direction of both these it is one in the same 46:56.300 --> 47:01.560 We've made similarities about multiple countries, right? And I think you could just talk about the lobbying 47:01.560 --> 47:04.260 But of any country you can see how that could go in that direction 47:04.260 --> 47:06.000 But the invasive like 47:06.480 --> 47:10.500 You know what israel's lobbying has become and what they do through this country can't be denied anymore 47:10.500 --> 47:14.020 And that's what that's one of those things like we talked about in the beginning that cats out of the back 47:14.020 --> 47:17.860 They're desperately trying to hide that but you know and so pulling that into it 47:17.860 --> 47:21.700 What you described there would be not them choosing to go in line with that 47:21.700 --> 47:26.300 But more so that they are not no longer in control of those policy directions. Do you think it's gone? 47:26.760 --> 47:32.040 Or do you think that it's gone well beyond ryan? It's gone well beyond that now 47:32.040 --> 47:39.040 So if you look at now you've got religion which has been injected not just into the body politic 47:39.040 --> 47:47.820 But injected down the military command structure in the pentagon and i'm talking about a specific branch of christianity christian zionism 47:48.550 --> 47:50.420 and now this is basically by 47:51.130 --> 47:54.660 This is a process that has taken place over the last 20 years 47:54.660 --> 48:00.280 Whereby chaplains have been introduced into the military. They're doing baptisms after basic training 48:00.280 --> 48:02.340 They're pressuring young recruits 48:02.340 --> 48:05.740 to adopt more of a sort of end times 48:06.420 --> 48:10.360 World view i.e. looking at this confrontation with iran is a holy war 48:10.360 --> 48:17.340 Okay, that's a real problem within the u.s. Military and ngos legal ngos are taking tens of thousands of complaints 48:17.340 --> 48:23.020 From act of duty servicemen that are complaining that their commanders are trying to basically inject this 48:23.020 --> 48:27.940 And and accusing them of not being christian enough if they don't do x y or z 48:27.940 --> 48:30.820 This was unheard of in the u.s. Military before 48:31.440 --> 48:36.620 And so what is and so the u.s. Commanders are being taken to israel for exchanges? 48:37.420 --> 48:42.320 By an ngo called i think it's a jewish institute for the security of america jesus 48:42.840 --> 48:46.020 And they have these exchange programs. These are the admirals ryan 48:46.020 --> 48:50.800 Highest highest ranking u.s. Officials are being taken for what i think is indoctrination 48:51.460 --> 48:54.420 In israel and who knows what else same thing as our politicians 48:54.420 --> 49:01.460 So what that's done now look at the tweets this week from pete hegseth and don trump god is great 49:02.020 --> 49:02.840 um, you know 49:03.500 --> 49:08.480 We're you're gonna feel the wrath of god and all we're gonna rain hell down on you 49:08.480 --> 49:11.960 And then they're trolling muslim saying praise to allah 49:13.020 --> 49:19.300 One of the other treats this week. I mean it's just insane. Yeah, look at this you you crazy bastards 49:19.300 --> 49:22.900 You'll be living in hell back to the stone age says pete hegseth 49:22.900 --> 49:26.140 I mean so so that religious pete hegseth himself 49:26.740 --> 49:34.620 Went to the king david hotel in 2018 in israel and basically proselytized for the rebuilding of the third temple 49:34.620 --> 49:36.440 And the return of the red heifer 49:36.440 --> 49:42.940 So this so that's what you have to understand ryan and everybody and the you do understand this i'm sure ryan is that 49:42.940 --> 49:48.640 That's why he was shortlisted for secretary of defense. It wasn't because he's qualified 49:48.640 --> 49:52.240 He's by by some senators who raised objections 49:52.730 --> 49:56.020 During the confirmation hearings that pete hegseth is the most unqualified 49:56.410 --> 50:00.800 Secretary of defense in the history of the united states of america in its entire history 50:00.800 --> 50:06.240 And many have also posited that he's the most unqualified high-level cabinet member 50:06.970 --> 50:08.760 In the history of the u.s. Government 50:08.760 --> 50:16.040 So how he was selected though because of his religious fanaticism because of his unhinged personal life 50:16.040 --> 50:21.780 He got kicked out of the dc national guard. He's an alcoholic by by by all reports 50:22.600 --> 50:26.920 Suggested he has all sorts of problems. So he was selected on that basis 50:27.600 --> 50:33.280 And he was he was shortlisted by howard luttnick and jared kushner. They ran trump's cabinet selection 50:33.880 --> 50:42.340 Right, they ran it so and mary maddison could could literally tell and ronald lauder and all these mega donors 50:42.340 --> 50:44.440 Who you're very familiar with they they 50:45.040 --> 50:52.200 Every single person that touched foreign policy and national security is handpicked including the dhs secretary 50:52.740 --> 50:57.280 Handpicked by the israeli lobby or at least they provide the shortlist 50:57.840 --> 51:02.620 And so whoever provides the shortlist and and picks the cabinet determines policy 51:02.960 --> 51:08.400 And that's that's not me saying that look at obama's campaign in 2008 51:08.400 --> 51:14.220 Who who supplied the shortlist for obama's cabinet in 2008 city group 51:14.760 --> 51:19.460 City group and what was that was the year of the bailout that was the year of tarp 51:19.460 --> 51:24.680 That you know, so they they had enough money into the campaign that they 51:25.080 --> 51:31.780 What they wanted in return for their money was to select the cabinet and and people equals policy in american politics 51:32.280 --> 51:37.620 People equals policy. So again, it just shows you the level of 51:38.520 --> 51:42.060 Penetration here that son-in-law of the president united states 51:42.640 --> 51:46.900 is the best friends family friends of the prime prime minister of israel 51:47.760 --> 51:50.920 And acts on behalf of the foreign government 51:50.920 --> 51:53.060 Let's let's let's go into this a little bit more 51:53.060 --> 51:58.340 So, you know the interesting part of this and this is obviously a very important and very relevant conversation 51:58.340 --> 52:01.020 Like it's it's based on a lot of the evidence that's going around 52:01.020 --> 52:03.880 But a lot of it is you know, it's considered to be conspiracy theory 52:03.880 --> 52:07.260 You know the conversation as we were kind of touching on about the right the right 52:07.260 --> 52:13.260 Congress, you know the the conversation to have about whether or not israel's guiding the direction or us is guiding it or some of both 52:13.260 --> 52:19.160 But as much as it may seem weird like that aside because I think that might some in a some way be separate of 52:19.160 --> 52:21.820 You know the question being do you think that israel has 52:22.380 --> 52:25.820 Not just it's not just using this influence to dictate policy 52:25.820 --> 52:30.760 Are you of the mind that there's more actual like coup d'etat level stuff taking place in the government? 52:31.000 --> 52:34.020 and I don't mean necessarily just the the discussion today of the 52:34.020 --> 52:38.120 You know removing people from positions of power, but I ain't going back a long time 52:38.120 --> 52:40.800 Like so pointing to city bank or city group in abama, you know 52:40.800 --> 52:44.100 It's clear in my mind that this government has been selling out to the highest bidder for a long time 52:44.100 --> 52:48.600 But there's been a different shift as you're talking about with the christian zionism, which has been there 52:48.600 --> 52:50.740 But more in my opinion pronounced today 52:50.740 --> 52:54.360 So do you think there's more like a transition of power taking place as opposed to just influence? 52:54.880 --> 52:57.720 I think I think as soon as trump was sworn in 52:58.160 --> 53:01.100 You look who are the major stakeholders. It's big ai 53:01.600 --> 53:03.900 Big tech look at the front row of his inauguration 53:04.620 --> 53:08.980 And and mary madelson and the israeli lobby. I mean that that was a coup 53:09.840 --> 53:15.360 So it's it's and because there's an overlap between big tech big ai and israeli 53:15.980 --> 53:16.500 intelligence 53:17.280 --> 53:19.720 That's another part of this argument 53:19.720 --> 53:25.420 But I will argue even further that uh, what this has done is it's creating 53:25.980 --> 53:32.560 By by injecting steroids into christian zionism in terms of money and the israeli alliance 53:33.360 --> 53:38.180 And the israel's backing of the far right in europe also falls into this category as well 53:38.920 --> 53:41.660 What they're doing is creating sectarianism in the west 53:42.300 --> 53:46.460 And this is something that i witness firsthand in in lebanon in syria 53:47.180 --> 53:51.520 In in iraq and other countries that that level of deep deep sectarian 53:52.140 --> 53:52.560 violence 53:53.160 --> 54:01.360 Which is always imposed from the outside either by the british imperial or overlords the french or the or the americans 54:01.360 --> 54:04.480 They're now doing that in america pete hexeth 54:05.020 --> 54:08.520 Is now drawing a sectarian division in the in trump 54:09.400 --> 54:17.100 between catholics catholics roman catholics in the uh republican party and protestants and now banning catholic services 54:17.100 --> 54:19.000 That have always been available 54:19.000 --> 54:22.800 Uh for pentagon uh employees or staff 54:23.310 --> 54:26.900 And have changed that because of the words from pope leo 54:26.900 --> 54:32.760 For starters basically saying that made i'm surprised and this is an american pope 54:32.760 --> 54:34.620 You'd think that the american 54:35.240 --> 54:39.800 administration would give a little bit of a wide berth to an american pope 54:40.230 --> 54:47.120 The first ever in history pope leo, uh, but he said he can't um, you know justify praying for 54:47.120 --> 54:52.060 War mongers basically for people advancing violence. And so 54:52.940 --> 54:54.520 Which is a reasonable statement 54:54.520 --> 55:02.620 But that was taken as as an aggressive statement by the trump administration and uh the self styled secretary of war and what the 55:02.620 --> 55:07.120 That should tell you a lot of where their priorities are where their mindsets 55:07.120 --> 55:10.820 They want to now draw a sectarian line between christians 55:11.240 --> 55:12.740 In america joe kent 55:12.740 --> 55:19.700 Is just coincidentally tucker carlson catholic joe kent catholic megan kelly catholic 55:20.420 --> 55:24.220 nick flintase if you want to throw it in there in terms of the uh dissenting 55:24.860 --> 55:27.140 maga camp or whatever there's others 55:27.140 --> 55:31.320 um, but they're they're now characterizing them as somehow 55:32.160 --> 55:37.960 Anti-american or dangerous. They're doing this to tucker as well. He's quite open about his beliefs 55:38.740 --> 55:39.440 in his faith 55:40.000 --> 55:45.100 Um, but why this schism? This isn't something that we we used to do this in america 55:45.100 --> 55:49.860 There was a big catholic protestant schism in america. Certainly the uh election of jfk 55:50.360 --> 55:56.280 Was controversial to a lot of people in in the south in the bible belt, but uh in many ways he 55:56.280 --> 56:01.120 Did a lot to heal that rift and we had a bit of an armistice 56:01.860 --> 56:03.880 For for 50 or 60 years 56:04.420 --> 56:05.480 But here we are again 56:05.480 --> 56:12.300 Here we are again. So it's it's amazing that americans will be defaulting back into sectarian divisions 56:12.840 --> 56:17.760 Well, this is such an important point though in the larger larger like even geopolitical conversation, you know 56:17.760 --> 56:21.560 Shei suni kind of this is manufactured in my opinion for a lot of reasons 56:22.340 --> 56:27.700 But what do you think about this point in so the charlie kurt conversation something i've often brought up in this 56:27.700 --> 56:29.360 Because it's completely my opinion 56:29.920 --> 56:35.400 In relation to what you just said i i've called it the charlie kurt problem dilemma that i think what happened right there 56:35.400 --> 56:40.880 Was that charlie kurt became aware of the reality between the you know the actual divide between zionism and israel 56:40.880 --> 56:44.520 Where you know dem to the larger conversation it is the same thing 56:44.520 --> 56:49.440 But suddenly started to realize or more so judeism and israel and zionism and you know same kind of point 56:49.440 --> 56:52.340 And and because i'm sure you followed that and you saw the conversations 56:52.340 --> 56:57.220 He was having and and the stressing of the president about iran and getting attacked by the zionist people 56:57.220 --> 57:01.440 And he was felt threatened in the whole thing and so i love the mind that we there's an interesting divide 57:01.440 --> 57:05.120 And i don't i don't want this to be seen as or heard as the right side versus the wrong side 57:05.120 --> 57:07.960 Or you know they could all have the wrong opinions if you know however you look at it 57:07.960 --> 57:11.280 But that there's now a divide amongst what you just you know the tucker carlson 57:11.280 --> 57:15.000 You know that level and some of the other kind of zionist influence in the same category 57:15.000 --> 57:22.140 And i wonder if that is certain groups just suddenly seeing that charlie kurt problem recognizing the zionism influence 57:22.140 --> 57:28.140 That's not america first that's pretending to be america first and whether we disagree with what we should be doing 57:28.140 --> 57:32.240 Like the maga point they still don't want another group stepping in and driving that agenda 57:32.240 --> 57:36.220 And so i'm feeling like there's this divide within that point. Do you think there's any validity to that? 57:36.520 --> 57:40.400 Well, all tucker all tucker has done and all joe kent did 57:40.900 --> 57:50.260 Is point out israel's um outsized and undue influence over us policy decision making and military uh actions 57:50.260 --> 57:57.300 And that's all they did for that for that. They're castigated. They're they're attacked. They're called anti american 57:57.300 --> 57:59.580 They're called anti semitic all these other things 57:59.580 --> 58:04.020 So it really is it is all about israel at the end of the day 58:04.020 --> 58:09.380 But what they've what they've been able to do for years is because by not having that debate 58:10.020 --> 58:17.320 But by avoiding that debate and again, I I think we owe tucker carlson a tremendous debt of gratitude 58:17.860 --> 58:21.200 for interviewing ted cruise and really 58:21.820 --> 58:29.800 Really exposing just the madness of this extremist christian zionist idea that if you those who 58:30.560 --> 58:35.600 The bible commands us to bless israel and if you don't you'll be cursed by god, you know 58:35.600 --> 58:41.440 And he did that on you know national tv the equivalent of global tv and in a way 58:41.860 --> 58:45.600 And that's a high ranking u.s senator who's pushing this 58:46.200 --> 58:48.820 Type of a cult it really is cult like 58:49.560 --> 58:53.540 But it's never been challenged in a political arena until now 58:53.540 --> 58:59.340 And and now the average person can look at that and say ted cruise is like really off as rocker 58:59.340 --> 59:05.820 I mean, that's just insane john hagi is crazy and we can say that's just a pastor in front of a mega church in texas 59:05.820 --> 59:10.620 But to see a u.s senator or mike huckabee the a u.s ambassador say these things 59:10.620 --> 59:14.520 It takes on a whole not then you realize that this is actually 59:15.220 --> 59:22.420 Totally injected infused into politics right in the united states into decision making into budget allocations all this stuff 59:22.420 --> 59:26.240 And then you're like we might have a problem here, you know, and yeah 59:26.240 --> 59:30.760 You know just this the reality that with all you just discussed that we are being 59:30.760 --> 59:35.360 Hegseth and the rest are saying to their own personnel that this is a war for armageddon 59:35.360 --> 59:40.200 You know, I mean i'm actually completely blown away that that conversation did not completely overtake 59:40.200 --> 59:43.420 I mean, I think we know why it didn't but it that is world shattering 59:43.420 --> 59:48.260 Like you're telling them we're fighting for armageddon that this policy is being driven by some religious prophecy 59:48.260 --> 59:51.680 You know, it's just it's I don't think people wanted to believe that it was just 59:53.160 --> 59:56.660 Really it's it is it is a bit of a shock for a lot of people 59:56.660 --> 01:00:00.520 They don't really understand what they're watching happen in real time 01:00:00.520 --> 01:00:06.120 But I will I will I will say, you know, uh ryan and you know, we blackpilt hard on politics 01:00:06.120 --> 01:00:08.780 And the and the two-party system, of course 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:15.000 But the problem is a big problem in the alternative community is nobody participates in that system 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.240 So they like there's not people like us in those positions of decision making 01:00:19.240 --> 01:00:24.000 There's other people that we have delegated to do that for us and they're doing a terrible job 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:26.940 Um, so that that's one of the main problems 01:00:27.420 --> 01:00:30.480 But we're looking at this situation. You're like actually the solution 01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:34.700 Has to be political here and and it's a good example 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:40.420 Pete Hegseth, how did if all of the objections came up during the confirmation hearings? 01:00:41.020 --> 01:00:46.220 How did he get confirmed right? There's tons of democrats against him. What happened behind the scenes? 01:00:47.060 --> 01:00:48.880 I don't this is not a trick question 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.440 I think if we ran a multiple choice quiz 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:57.380 We'll say who intervened to order all of those senators to vote for Pete Hegseth 01:00:57.870 --> 01:01:02.060 Wild guess, you know a b or c it's the Israeli lobby 01:01:02.060 --> 01:01:04.480 And and so that level of 01:01:05.560 --> 01:01:10.000 Interference into our politics to make sure that the most unqualified 01:01:10.700 --> 01:01:11.780 mentally unstable 01:01:14.300 --> 01:01:18.840 Checkered resume most potentially corrupt individual 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.040 Is is is in the most powerful position in the government 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.880 Then where are we as a country? So are we the superpower? 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:35.520 Because militarily and economically we have all we were suit superpowers, but politically is is america more powerful than israel politically 01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:39.320 That's to me an open question politically politically 01:01:40.120 --> 01:01:43.720 Well, let me let me end with this question then in regard to the 01:01:43.720 --> 01:01:47.440 You know kind of the next step of the question asked before is do you do you think that there is a 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.960 Effort here because like what you just described. I'm constantly seeing in every single category 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:57.240 I mean look at the cabinet. We're talking about with that banjino and cash and gnome and bonny 01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:03.320 Often people have ever seen these positions. Do you feel that there's an effort from israel or something else to 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:08.040 Not just control but to like destabilize to collapse this country 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:09.920 And if you do think that what's the agenda there? 01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:11.280 absolutely 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.280 Also, this is also a natural 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:16.980 conclusion of 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.360 A lot of people want to put actors and reality tv's 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.680 in positions of political power 01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:29.060 Because all we care about really is the interface we have in media with our political leaders anyway 01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:33.280 Are they good at sound bites? Do they look good? Do they have a full head of hair? I mean america 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:36.540 We're very superficial about these sort of things. We always happen 01:02:37.600 --> 01:02:38.040 so 01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:40.180 Now you know 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.760 Reality v stars president pete hexeth is like a weekend news 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.300 Fox he wasn't even good enough to be an anchor. He was a weekend host on fox and friends 01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:52.580 He was like mediocre in mediocre fox news pundit 01:02:52.580 --> 01:02:58.300 Who's now in charge of a 1.5 trillion dollar destructive military industrial complex? 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:03.280 Uh, and so there we go. So this is what you get zolenski 01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:05.660 What is he he's an actor? 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:10.520 He was he was groomed as an actor for the for the job as president 01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:14.700 So trump is is really to me a type of a zolenski 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:21.220 Um as is hexeth and and what is zolenski has no choice but to keep doubling down 01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:25.180 Because he's he can't get out of the role that he's been cast 01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:29.220 He's been given the power. He's been given the clout. He's been given the money 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:33.620 And he can't stop the minute. He he steps off the stage. He's he's finished 01:03:34.540 --> 01:03:40.600 He's probably not going to live very long. Um, I would I would argue the same is true with uh, donald trump now 01:03:41.100 --> 01:03:43.900 uh, pete hexeth and um, and some of these other 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:52.000 Fox actors that are populating the administration complete empty vessels j.d. Vance is another example 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.020 He is to me. He's like the tony blair of america 01:03:55.020 --> 01:04:00.280 Uh, a complete empty suit totally malleable. Tulsi gabard is an incredible 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:07.480 Also an incredible shape shifter. I mean she is literally she'll bend to be whatever you want her to be 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.700 Uh, so long as he's got a seat on whatever that train 01:04:11.330 --> 01:04:16.240 To power is and she's proven that throughout her whole career how she's willing to flip and 01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:21.060 remake herself and reshape herself in order to continue her career trajectory 01:04:21.690 --> 01:04:24.200 But that's what we've got as a political system 01:04:24.730 --> 01:04:29.840 That and you know, we've entrusted we're entrusting these sort of people to making decisions for us. So 01:04:30.290 --> 01:04:38.620 Yes, of course ryan, there are the decision makers behind the political facade the black rocks of the world global capital 01:04:39.230 --> 01:04:41.680 Uh, the the israeli lobby to me 01:04:41.680 --> 01:04:47.480 I regard ryan as a a type of an organized crime international organized crime syndicate 01:04:48.350 --> 01:04:53.920 Israel is the hub of an international organized crime syndicate and the israeli lobby is like the u.s 01:04:54.370 --> 01:05:00.240 management branch of that syndicate and their job is to corrupt and to steer 01:05:00.810 --> 01:05:08.160 The u.s government uh to make life favorable. Uh, and the conditions favorable for them to carry on doing whatever they're doing 01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:12.580 Whether it's stealing land assassinating people stealing things 01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:13.760 laundering 01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:17.960 vast sums of money trillions of dollars of money being laundered 01:05:18.580 --> 01:05:21.160 Through through israel and its various affiliates 01:05:21.860 --> 01:05:22.880 every year globally 01:05:23.720 --> 01:05:29.640 And in a way that overlaps with global capital and the the transnational banking establishment as well 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:36.600 Similar it's part of a similar system. Um, but still where does that leave us? 01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:39.340 You know, we we still have agency 01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:44.900 I believe if you don't believe you have agency and you're so blackbilled to think that uh, there's no point 01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:50.420 Um in any political outcome, uh, I would say that that I'm not I'm not a subscriber to that 01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:54.580 I believe that there are the conversations that and the debates that we're pushing 01:05:55.160 --> 01:06:01.100 And the points that we're pushing we have we have punctured the mainstream consensus on many many times 01:06:01.100 --> 01:06:03.360 And so that's part of we're part of that process 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.620 We're all part of that process and we have to keep pushing but i'm not just going to sit there and just blackpill and say 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.460 You know that you you there's no point in even being involved 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.260 Absolutely, you know, I i'm not a green party supporter, but 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:19.980 having met greg stoker recently and 01:06:20.600 --> 01:06:22.660 Seeing his passion and enthusiasm 01:06:22.660 --> 01:06:29.500 Even though i'm not uh agreeing agreeing with him on every single issue. I support people like that 01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:33.540 Getting involved in politics in the united states. I think we need more people like that 01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:37.740 Involved in politics and if we do I think we're gonna have a better shot 01:06:37.740 --> 01:06:43.220 Uh at getting the seeing the result that we want which is we want policies that reflect what the public 01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:48.660 Want what the public think and as you rightly pointed out the beginning of our conversation rind 01:06:49.180 --> 01:06:51.060 General the general public is anti-war 01:06:51.720 --> 01:06:55.560 For the majority it's clear. It's it's shown in every poll in every election 01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:59.100 So, uh, but that's not where we're getting so why is that? 01:07:00.820 --> 01:07:06.300 Yeah, yeah, you know, I I'm I come from more of a uh non-status or, you know more of an 01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:11.560 Um an anarchistic perspective when it comes to you know, no government. I would prefer, you know 01:07:11.560 --> 01:07:15.300 But I would you know if if we are forced to live in a state of society 01:07:15.300 --> 01:07:19.280 I agree with you and I think that it's important that we influence the situation around us 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.480 But I'm all I just my eyes. I'm saying I have complete hope for what you're saying 01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:28.000 And we all should whatever our opinion is but I I worry that that still leads us in a direction where we're 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.520 You know giving away our our agency, you know to to a higher authority to dictate, you know 01:07:32.520 --> 01:07:36.480 Government action controlling our lives kind of a thing, but where we're at 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:42.320 The only path to that I argue is sort of the path that you're talking about with the effort to diminish that power 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:43.880 Like so I would argue that's probably a great 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.080 I haven't looked into his campaign discussion 01:07:46.080 --> 01:07:48.640 But Greg Greg stoker is probably going in that direction 01:07:48.640 --> 01:07:54.160 Some are like derrick bros and others, you know have run for a major of houston with the intention to diminish the government influence 01:07:54.160 --> 01:07:56.780 And I think that's where we should be leaning and I agree and I'm 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:03.480 Yeah, we need parallel people need to build their own parallel systems and organizations parallel institutions 01:08:04.240 --> 01:08:05.580 I'm all for allowing 01:08:06.140 --> 01:08:10.420 You know for those things to happen, but unfortunately if we ignore the behemoth 01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:13.480 It's going to come crashing down on us wherever we are 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.600 That's that's the paradox. That's the problem that we face 01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:20.620 Yeah, I agree and this is why it's important not to just tunnel vision under one thing 01:08:20.620 --> 01:08:23.740 You know be be open to a different ideas, you know, it's very important today 01:08:23.740 --> 01:08:25.200 And you know, I'll end with the point 01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:29.780 So I was asking about that again with this this point is that, you know, the collapse discussion 01:08:29.780 --> 01:08:32.360 I'm worried about this because it feels almost 01:08:33.100 --> 01:08:35.160 Decoupled from the larger agenda to a large degree 01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:40.080 And I think this is where you might see more of that schism between the extremist religious Zionist direction 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.720 Versed the technocratic direction and all the rest of it which overlap, right? 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.220 But you know, if you're if they're discussing this idea that we're fighting for Armageddon 01:08:48.220 --> 01:08:53.360 And and the understanding of the prophecy coming from you mentioned the red heifer and the idea of this Zionism perspective 01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.720 To them it necessitates the collapse of the west and so it's like this weird counterintuitive thing 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.700 And so that's why I was asking is like I'm worried that there's this 01:09:01.700 --> 01:09:05.060 Drive like you the hexeth and the rest that is driving this to the point 01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:08.260 It's like it's not even israeli interest on it's not american interest 01:09:08.260 --> 01:09:13.200 It's just completely de hit the unhinged from anything other than this end goal, you know 01:09:13.200 --> 01:09:16.160 And so that's why these conversations are so important because you know 01:09:16.160 --> 01:09:18.540 You've got to be able to see all these perspectives and there's multi 01:09:18.540 --> 01:09:21.560 It's multifaceted there's many different agendas and players and all this 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.340 But you know, you just got to bring it home from like I'm speaking from an american perspective 01:09:25.340 --> 01:09:28.680 You know and understand that we can't affect this we can't have this change 01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:32.920 We need to see the influence and the strings and all the different efforts that are driving us here 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:33.400 you know, so 01:09:34.080 --> 01:09:38.040 To end really any other thoughts you want to include, you know, other things are important 01:09:38.480 --> 01:09:41.700 Park the conversation or just like upcoming events or things you want to shout out on the way out 01:09:42.280 --> 01:09:48.520 Yeah, just on that last point ryan, um, you know, if we have generals or you know heads of the joint chiefs 01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:54.440 I mean petex has just purged the number of top generals this past week from the u.s. Military 01:09:55.220 --> 01:09:55.760 including 01:09:56.320 --> 01:10:01.360 One that was I believe the former commander of the 82nd airborne, which is the very 01:10:02.130 --> 01:10:04.700 You know division that trump is 01:10:05.480 --> 01:10:07.980 Mobilized to deploy for a ground invasion 01:10:08.750 --> 01:10:10.180 In iraq as an example 01:10:10.710 --> 01:10:16.220 How do we know what the basis of that purge was was it because they're not on board with the religious 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:20.760 Doctrine with the end times armageddon worldview. They're not christian enough 01:10:21.340 --> 01:10:26.800 Again, they're against the ground invasion. We don't know exactly, but I think the answer might come out later 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:31.160 But but it is frightening. So if if you or I ryan are faced 01:10:31.820 --> 01:10:33.360 And we we're given like 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:39.300 10 minutes with the top general in the u.s. Who's a christian zionist believes in the end times narrative 01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:41.620 What are our chances of convincing him? 01:10:42.340 --> 01:10:47.060 And that that he's wrong to abandon his eschatological 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.000 deeply held 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:56.980 Religious views about armageddon and the u.s. Playing a role in the coming of jesus and trump being a type of messiah figure 01:10:57.420 --> 01:11:03.580 Do we really have a chance of convincing him that that's are those are those beliefs so deeply held? 01:11:04.160 --> 01:11:09.200 That there's no way that you know, they're going to change their mind. They're not going to have 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:10.860 A real epiphany 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:18.100 And come back to reality. I'm going to answer that it's very very difficult to tell and it's very I would say no 01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:19.040 and so 01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:23.660 So if if they are at the top positions in the u.s. Military 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:25.720 command structure 01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:26.740 then 01:11:26.740 --> 01:11:28.860 you know, even if the 01:11:29.860 --> 01:11:32.860 Technocrats or the theos of the world who are clearly like 01:11:33.340 --> 01:11:40.160 I believe my my personal opinion is they're atheists and they're technocrats. They believe their god is technology 01:11:40.660 --> 01:11:45.000 Their god is automation. Their god is convenience. Their god is transhumanism 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:46.280 then 01:11:46.980 --> 01:11:50.420 I I really think that the religious fanatics 01:11:51.060 --> 01:11:56.580 Would uh, or would trump or over no pun intended would overcome the technocrats 01:11:57.280 --> 01:12:01.740 In that and with nuclear weapons in tow with nuclear weapons until so 01:12:01.740 --> 01:12:05.580 So this isn't this isn't we're out. We're not in the realms of 01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:12.520 Fantasy or conspiracy theories anymore. We're in the realms of reality here. We have to we have to confront this 01:12:13.080 --> 01:12:14.920 We really do as a society 01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:17.780 We have to confront this because 01:12:18.380 --> 01:12:21.520 It's dangerous. I think I agree completely 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:26.520 Well, it's been a great conversation patrick and I really hope we can do this again because I'm sure we could go 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:30.160 Into a lot of these different specific points and have a deeper conversation on it 01:12:30.160 --> 01:12:32.880 So I appreciate your insight and I hope people will check out your work 01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:34.760 I'm sure my audience is very well aware of your work 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.420 But if you haven't gone through the links and thank you for being or anything else you want to add on the way out 01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:45.580 Yeah, yeah, just um, I'll drop some links in the show description. I appreciate that and we are so heavily throttled on youtube 01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:49.560 Um, it's and we have been for about 12 13 years 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.400 But I'll drop the link to our channel if anybody wants to help us overcome the algorithm 01:12:54.400 --> 01:12:55.480 Just like or subscribe 01:12:56.540 --> 01:12:58.980 To our youtube channel that would be massive 01:12:58.980 --> 01:13:06.120 I'll put a couple other links there to my sub stack, uh, which I recently started and also a 21st century wire dot com 01:13:06.660 --> 01:13:10.520 Outstanding. Well, thank you brother and I'm looking forward to talking with you next time. Yeah, good one 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.860 And as always everybody out there question everything come to your own conclusions 01:13:14.320 --> 01:13:15.020 Stay vigilant 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:17.320 Any generals and admirals have you fired? 01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:21.700 I don't know the exact number. You don't know the a number. It's eight 01:13:23.260 --> 01:13:26.840 Can you explain why any of them were fired like just explain why why was 01:13:27.480 --> 01:13:32.480 The the the army jag fired. Why did you fire him? They all serve at the pleasure of the president 01:13:32.480 --> 01:13:34.840 I think no, I'm just asking you why general kane is a great example 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:39.420 I'm just asking you why I think you probably learned at princeton what why means. Why did you fire him? 01:13:40.200 --> 01:13:44.940 They serve at the pleasure of the president. We want better representation in each and every of those you can't explain 01:13:44.940 --> 01:13:46.240 Why you fired any of them 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:49.920 Gentlemen's times expired