Think I think as soon as Trump was sworn in you look at who are the major stakeholders. It's big AI
Big tech look at the front row of his inauguration and in Mary Madelson in the Israeli lobby. I mean that was a coup
Welcome to the last American vagabond. I'm excited to have Patrick Henning sin of 21st century wired today to discuss
Largely Iran and what's been going on the massive, you know
Deceptions and lies swirling around the story and possibly some other things we'd like to get into
But I reached out to him because I saw that he was recently in Iran
And as always it's important for me to discuss, you know to like we've had many discussions over the years with people like Vanessa
Billy and a Bartlett because there's some of the few that actually go to these locations and you know speak from a place of
Honesty and so Patrick is one of those people so I wanted to bite him on to discuss what he saw there
And so Patrick, thank you for joining me today. How are you? It's great to be with you Ryan. I'm okay. Pretty good
Yeah, chugging along. Yeah things consider, you know, that's a lot of the common response today
There's a lot of madness going on in the world, but you know, I often I often asked this of people since it's something that I think is
Very relevant to I mean even small conversations
But all just the large ongoing deception of you know, what I see as the political two-party illusion and so on
Do you feel that you've seen a shift in awareness of these larger things?
whether it's a two-party illusion or
You know just the dishonesty of our government at large versus, you know all the different points
Do you feel that partisans are starting to see some of these long-held lies?
Sure. Yeah. Um, thanks, Ryan. I look
It's hard it's hard to encapsulate that question
into a small answer, but I would say that
these things go in phases and
The the election of Donald Trump
in 2016 and 2024 in many ways was a rejection of the the two-party duopoly as it were
Obviously, you have to run with one of the two-party duopoly branches in order to get on
Ballots and do primaries and things like that, which is why as you know, Ron Paul
Went and ran under the Republican ticket in
2008 and 2012 and he publicly said I you know, I prefer to be independent
But it'll be impossible for me to get a national platform, which is again the problem baked into the question there
But so that the the Trump phenomenon, which was it it drew on populist sentiments
And especially in 2024 the Ukraine war was in full swing
Trump campaigned on that he pulled all the independence
Pulled all the anti-war populists pulled the libertarians
Pulled all the tosy-gabards fan club
Pulled all those people into this big 10
And had JD Vance as his vice president saying all these we shouldn't be in Ukraine and no more endless wars
No more forever wars so it worked
But what they're doing what's important isn't the fact that Trump has now stabbed them all in the back
That's not that that's not the point the point is
That that is the actual sentiment of the American public and that's why they came on board. That's why
He was able to get those votes
so so
You know ironically Trump coming into power was a rejection of that kind of duopoly
Establishment consensus now that he's in it's this is next. This is the next phase
Of this awakening this epiphany as people are realizing that actually maga was a complete fraud
Trump lied they're larping as anti-war populists in order to get your vote in rust belt states like michigan, wisconsin
Etc. And it worked it worked really well and it turned a lot of borderline states
To give them a slight margin. They got the presidency
Republicans got the house and senate pretty much on the coattails of that
Because a lot of people voted down ballot because they assumed that there was going to be a whip line on policy
And all these warhawk
Republicans kind of kept their sort of volume down on the warmongering during the campaign
And for a lot of people thought well, okay, this is the way the president's going to be
redirecting foreign policy, you know give it a chance
Many voted for him
On that basis
So now that the the illusion has been shattered. So now we see exactly what it is
which is complete psychopathy and the fact that
This administration more than any other in history is absolutely owned and operated by israel
By by his whole cabinet was handpicked by the israeli lobby
Still even the replacements will be probably as well. So and and so
Now we look at what's going on in the world and there's no way that he'll you know, this
President this party will never get those populists back never they'll never happen
There will have to be a complete overhaul of that party
The democrats are struggling to get a lot of disenchanted
Uh, you know bernie sanders supporters and and others back. So the both parties are going to struggle
The problem is for america
This is a deeper political conversation
Of which we probably don't have time to get into today
But the problem with america is the institutional problems the the
The faults the fatal fundamental flaws in this system
Are so deep and so so wide that it even confounds reform
I think at this point and uh, you know, you can have protest candidates that will emerge and you know
I have many friends that are switching parties
during the uh the primaries and in the in the in the midterms as well as the next president election
Just to vote out republicans. These are republicans that want to vote republicans out. So they're willing
Um to vote them out and then during the national vote democrat
And they don't care who's running as long as it's
Yeah, no, just this is such an interesting spin and this is I see that
Everything so far. I'm happy about but said that last part where it's sort of like the reverse of last time where and and even part of it made sense
You know, we're biden's administration was why obviously investing in the genocide and supporting it
And so let's give the republicans a chance, you know, even though i people like you and I were going
Well, it's probably gonna be the same, you know, but and now you do it seeing the same thing where they're
You know, why can't they just stand back and see what we're talking about and be like, well, it's not one or the other
It's the same continuity of the agenda and that's why I was asking that and I'm really glad, you know
What you described there is is well put and very you know a deeper insight into that point
And like it's kind of what I was getting at is not necessarily the team sport politics players
But the average american people who have played in that game who are now starting to go hold on a minute
This there's something very wrong with all of this and I just I feel that I feel like a a difference here
And you know, maybe it's like you said maybe it kind of ebbs and flows over the years
And maybe it's happened in the past
But it's a moment and I feel like there's an opening for that
And I'm just glad that and I bring it up in the context of the bigger Iran conversation because I think this is one of these moments
Like post october 7th where the way they handled this has shaken people awake to all of this. It's just a it's a positive moment
I would argue within all this one last one last point on this rime, which I think is important
Um, you know, there's there's different
Ways that we can see some of these things expressed on on small points, you know
For instance, greg stoker is running for congress in the 31st district of texas
And he's running under the green party
And he is ostensibly, you know, you could say left wing, but he doesn't necessarily want any endorsement from the national greens
Uh, because he feels like this this focus on national politics is the fundamental problem
Uh, but he feels like that's a better vehicle for him to run. There's no way he's going to run democrat or republican
I just spoke to him last week in texas
And he's a he's an amazing guy and has a great
background and his convictions are extremely strong
but the point of and just to a segue of what you just said ryan is that
The israel lobby
Doesn't care if the republicans lose the house or the senate and that's the point
And you know when people talk about continuity of agenda
And they talk about it in terms of us foreign policy
But this does beg the question
That it's also a continuity of agenda, but underneath the the veneer of us grand strategy
is israel
policy
desires ambitions
And political maneuvering and I will argue that I know this is a big debate in the alternative media
Is it uh, is is it a us imperialism or you know, or is it is israel leading us foreign policy?
Does the tail wag the dog?
um, or does uh
Israel just merely a beachhead for us imperial interests and of course, I will argue that it's both
It's a symbiotic relationship israel is allowed to pursue its greater israel project
So long is that it benefits in some way us transnational corporations and the flow of global capital
Uh, and in the minute it becomes an impediment for that then it they they will become a liability at that point
And then their position will change
um, so but the thing is
The they spent 600 million dollars in the last election on republican campaigns alone
Including the presidency records from the israel lobby 300 million
Just for the presidency from the israeli lobby and sources. That's the record spend
Now if any other country did that people would be saying that country's trying to buy influence
But because israel's doing it everyone's saying no no don't look at that. It doesn't mean anything
You know continuity of agenda
Uh, it's just the gaslighting on this
Is just unbelievable. So of course israel is not doing it for laughs
They and they they're getting exactly what they want, which is to use the u.s. Military as a mercenary force
Uh to do the heavy lifting to achieve their objectives, uh of regional hegemony and their hyper security paranoid
hyper security
Uh perimeter that they have to maintain
With the united states's help
And every single u.s. Base has proven now to be basically that this war proves that
Marco rubio is the only honest, uh assessment that anybody gave about this war, which is that us went in because israel went in
You got to take him at his word
Ruby up to his credit, you know
I hate to give him the credit for anything, but
Again, I you know, I'm gonna go ahead and not give him credit for it because I don't want to but I think that you know
It's self-interest opportunism in my opinion and you wonder what drove that is that because he's stealing that he's being
Trump often tries to shock responsibility on the people around him, right?
So you wonder if that was it whether it's just a slip because clearly it was it was sort of
Saying the quiet part out loud and then they all kind of spot trying to hide that
You know, it's it's just interesting though and but it all kind of led to this awareness more so they even I even saw
Republicans start to use that very point as saying well, there you go. It's not trump's fault israel tricked him
But then people like us, whoa, whoa, that's what we've been saying the entire time that israel's been here trying to influence this
But it's just it's an evolving understanding of this and now the truth in its own way is being used to sort of
Give them an out, you know, and I it's this speaks to what I think is a larger kind of
destabilization or just kind of collapse of this what we were just talking about
But one last thing on this before and again, you're right
This this is an important conversation and it really has a lot of a lot of meat to it
But I think the maga point that you referenced there
I agree
But I would
Fine tune it to say that I believe and I think this is kind of what you were saying that that
I believe the majority but a lot of them at the very least of the people in the
Conservative maga movement not the republican team sport side, but just the average people
Believe those things like you were saying right they wanted those we want these agenda
That's why they pretend to fight for these things. It's the fake maga side of the government
Right like the maha thing people say it's a fake movement. I think the movement's real
I think mag is real. I think the government and the teams for players have lied to them
I think that's an important distinction because it shows that we're saying is most americans are like
We want these things. We want this change. So it's time to lean into that, you know
Yeah, I mean just last thing last thing and this is it's these are all important issues
for us to to discuss and unpack and
To me, there's a fundamental flaw now and and it should be
Visible to honest people at this point and there are a lot of conscientious people that are now
Seeing this including whistleblowers
Um and other people like this and more so I think we'll come forward
The whole premise of this is me talking as american by the way, and I'm in a ostensibly red state
Not for long. Maybe it's purple arizona
But make america great again
The the idea behind it is just it's it's it's a preposterous fallacy
The whole idea and then america first is even worse because america first it plays well to a domestic audience
but how it's translated is that uh america if anybody who's making any gains in the world
Is doing it at the expense of america first so that we must confront china because america first
Anything that china or russia or iran or any country or mexico or brazil or whatever
Anything any progress they make is a zero-sum
Uh world view which is a zero-sum game world view which is that we can't allow anybody to rise and it plays into this
Thucydides trap
mentality that any rising power must be confronted and put down by force
If necessary and it justifies this muscular u.s. Foreign policy and that to me
I think is the fundamental flaw in the american world view in 2026
Is that america cannot imagine a world where it is not the sole?
Unipolar hegemon this to me is a failure of imagination
And you have to as an empire you have two choices you can either reimagine
You're placed in the world and accommodate that and adjust and evolve as a society and that has start at the political
Level it needs to start at the political level needs a vision
Um in a compelling future that people can buy into if you don't do that then you will be the defeated empire you will eventually
Uh be ground under the wheels of your own hubris
And so it's it's a choice and americans need to understand all these slogans like maga and american first
These are desperate
Desperate moves by a culture
That's just clinging to some kind of grandeur or the past. It reminds me of the british empire
It's the same type of mentality. It's a rule britannia britannia rules of waves
People will be cheering that in the football stadiums until like literally everybody in the country is in abject poverty
They'll still be waving that flag and singing those songs
Even though and they're alluding to a past grandeur that simply doesn't exist anymore
Just like americans and the europeans are alluding to a past world
Where the europeans dominated for 1 000 years a whole millennium western civilization as they call it
But their their whole idea of grand strategy is based on 100 years ago. China was a backwater
Was economic backwater russia for the most part was in a rural economic backwater
Uh and only the advanced west had the competitive advantage. That's not the world
We live in anymore. You have india china russia. You have the bricks countries the global south
That's this idea of dominance is predicated on a
Anglo-american world view that is you know 200 to 100 years old
That's the software the brazinski
Mackinder software that our leadership are still running on that the marco rubies of the world are running on that
all these fanatics like
Sebastian gorka and all these just nutjobs that are surrounded surrounding donald trump. That's their idea
steven miller
You know this they're still living in that world right and as this is a problem
Because this is what fox news is inculcating
Half the population with and other mainstream outlets and see this this is my this is like and so what i see in that is
Like but it's a good point to make there because like i often point out within that discussion
I do the point i just made before is that you know and that may mean that we see differently what that should be
Making america great again
We may desperately very much disagree on what that should be and and i disagree with a lot of the statements
They make about where some of these honest people want from them, but the point is they were still lied to by trump
They're still yeah
Even they thought was going to happen
And so it's like this kind of moment where we're all even though
We disagree on some of these things and in some very dangerous ways the government is still playing all of us
You know it's like this really interesting moment and hopefully within that we can find some solidarity as just american people
Being suppressed by a power. You know it it's an important conversation, man
I mean, you know, we should probably have an interview discuss this entirely
Why is it important ryan? It's it's important because
If we if we maintain if americans maintain this worldview that they must be number one
And at all costs and whatever it takes and and certain actions are justified
Without any justification what they're what they're doing is dehumanizing or creating second-tier humans
In other countries and I think that's the general attitude americans are not bothered by
civilians being slaughtered in iran
Or gaza or south lebanon. They really don't care. They might care a little bit about gaza
At least on the left and the left is coming around on on iran a little bit
But it's south lebanon. It's just it doesn't mean anything to them. So they think that
Somehow all of this is justified
And you know, it's okay to to to bomb 30 universities
And destroy the entire higher education system of iran
In three weeks like they did in gaza. It's okay to do that. Why because you know, iran's dangerous and they really shouldn't be allowed to develop
Because america first
You know and and and israel's our greatest friend and ally and somehow you you can bake that all together in some really weird omelette
And and that's that's kind of where the american mentality is. I mean we need to value
iranians the iranian children and and and men and women not just
Children but and women but men too humans. We need to value them on the same level. We value our own children
and our own
Citizens and only then can we participate in the world?
as a as an actor
That's that's that's existing within the world and not trying to lord over it
And that's the problem america is facing. That's a big. That's a classic imperial
Problem, you know, but it's especially bad today
In the 21st century in our democracy because our democracy
Has us bamboozled to think that somehow we have this advanced system of governance and
Plating in front of the world right now, which is an interesting conversation to get into around the iran point
Where this kind of lie about, you know, at least to some degree about the ability to just be insurmountably
You know it seems that they lied about a lot of that at least misled people to think they were stronger than they were
Or maybe they misled themselves to believe they were stronger than they were
But I would add too on that that, you know, it's I think at the end of the day
You know, I just I feel like right now
It's you could be right and I hope that I hope the case is that
More off more than not want good things from the world or want to you know care about human life
But I would and I would argue though regardless
I think it's a larger number than we are led to believe in this country
And I would argue that the very least it we should be aware which I know you are of the propaganda of the partisan game
That wants us to believe that, you know, sort of like the trick of zionism to make us think
It's only jewish people that are ruling these that which is not the truth
But that's it's the game of you know, it behooves us to hope that more people are seeing this than not
I would argue, you know, and I do believe it. I think more people are starting to see this
But definitely under that opinion, you know, definitely massive awakening is a massive awakening
And I think it's just going to increase
By orders of magnitude in the next year. It's going to be amazing actually
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm glad to hear that. It's just, you know, we get at least, you know
See that positive change and lean into it
And so let's talk about what you saw in Iran and because I do like the reason I started with that point in general
And some of the stuff we we just discussed right there
It's very relevant to this and just about every other conversation foreign policy related or domestically
And so what's happening around this and if we if we touch on the end if we get to we talk about some of the
Technocratic connections, there's a larger global play in all this
And so feel free to get into some of that if you think that that connects with what you saw
But let me let me know what you think about, you know
So well you went to Iran, which I think is important to point out that you were there reporting
Which first let's start with, you know, what you saw and what you felt the contradictions were or start with what you think was important
Yeah, so I was there. I was there and I arrived like
Approximately like two weeks before the bomb started dropping
And then I left sort of a week before the bombs began to drop
I knew it could have been war at any moment in the us had already positioned their
naval assets
Off the you know around the sort of Gulf of Oman and in the Arabian sea
So I I knew that the couple of things that
If I wanted to go it might be my last chance for a while
So I just thought I had an opportunity. I got press accreditation
And it was like logistic logistical nightmare. There were just so many obstacles to going
And it was only issued a short visa because
Of the security situation
They were expecting war basically and that means all the airports would be shut down
If if they're if not bombed during that first wave of attacks
So I was conscious that all this is going to happen. So I knew I needed to get there
You know, there's a couple of things I really needed to
Because I had very strong opinions on these Iranian protests
that happened
In december and january and you know from there. I'm arguing a hypothetical point of view
But I'm also based it on data which I can glean
And analysis of people that I trust as opposed to you know, typical mainstream media or what the white house is saying
Or what israel's saying or with the iranian diaspora the palavi royalists are saying so
So going there would give me a little bit of an extra advantage in my understanding
in comparison to the
See of voices that we're saying that the regime killed slaughtered, you know, 20 30 40 50 60
thousand of their own peaceful democratic protesters and
It's a bloodthirsty regime and it's it's on the verge of toppling. All of these things are connected
so
When I arrived I straight away immediate immediately understood
As I stood amongst 2 million people on the streets in Tehran who were all there for the national rally
Which is the anniversary of the islamic revolution
All basically supporting the government at a time when they could be attacked at any second and everyone's very conscious of that
Everybody there is fully aware
By israel or you mean by the by okay good. Yeah
Somebody could hear that as you meaning the iranian government could attack them there
Or bombing from outside which way you mean that they could be bombed by america or israel at any moment
At any moment. So, you know, it's uh, it was incredible
So it was very clear to me that the higher the level of threats
That the more solidarity the more cohesion
You get in iranian society even at that moment before the you know official
Phase of the war started on the february 28th. So I knew that that was absolutely a fact
And so that ticked that box in terms of my understanding of how society moves with the political
realities in that country and then the relationship with the leader and the
The other thing is the the system of government there is completely unlike it's alien to anything that we have
In the west in in a certain way. It's a lot more democratic because there's a lot more consensus
building at at the levels of uh, of national office
regional and local government
And the same way with their law enforcement are also broken down into national regional
You know regional stroke state and then local. Um, so there's a lot of accountability
Within this it's the islamic republic of iran. It was islamic republic
So and I didn't fully appreciate the differences
Of
Say not actually the similarities is as a republic every single position is
Democratic elected even the supreme leader is is democratic elected albeit by a special council
An expert council, but the supreme leader plays the role sort of like the pope
Right would play in the catholic church, but it's but instead the people
The consensus in iran is that they want religion
They want faith to be at the center of of society and that includes
To be a mitigating factor with government
So it's an intermediary like like the think of the moscow patriarch
kareel
And putin goes to speak to kareel about a big issue
And kareel will then speak about it in the the orthodox
Uh clergy will speak about it in their sermons
And that's how you build consensus in other words that you must go through the church because the people
value faith they value their religious institutions
They're pro-family. They're very concerned iran socially conservative. It's extremely quote anti-woke
Extremely so they they are socially conservative
But what's funny is the is the neo conservatives and the neo liberals in america will
Attack them for being socially conservative
And will ram the lgbt woke issues down their throat even though it's anti-woke warriors like ben chapiro and all these other
sort of grifters
In the u.s political conversation or tommy robinson they they will then they'll weaponize the woke, you know
trans or lgbt agenda in order to
Use as a battering ram against
The iranian government the syrian government or any enemy of israel practically. It's amazing how that works
I find that to be right
Quite extraordinary. Um, but it's not by accident. They do that intentionally
So that so if if if the other thing is there's no pure persian
There's no pure persian
It's iranian they unite under a national flag
A national identity just like america unites under a national flag and national identity
So when they us assassinated the supreme leader who is ostensibly a moderate
By by a lot of people's estimations who issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons
The opposite of what the white house claimed. He was a bloodthirsty terrorist and all this other stuff
so when they assassinated him
They they said they thought the country would fragment
They thought they would the people would just capitulate would would you know fall apart?
Just like if if if somebody assassinated the u.s president with a missile strike on the white house
What do you think the reaction of them? Do you think americans would just?
Surrender and fall apart. I mean even the people that would be against the president
Would rally together against the external enemy and it's like common sense. This is just under a national flag
so the problem is
americans and people in the west in general, but they project
They project their idea of what a country and what a national identity is or their cynicism
About government they project that on everybody else and then they assume that
That the uranians don't have exactly the same thing under a republican form of government because as islamic the word islamic
Somehow disqualifies them in the eyes of the west as being a legitimate society
A legitimate form of government. So then they ascribe quickly is islamist terrorist
Iran is the number one state sponsor of terror, which is completely fake. It's a told it's totally false
so but you build up all of these sort of
Um
Viewpoints and these characteristics in the mind of the west and then that basically opens the door for you can just pour tons of propaganda
Into that framework and that's how you that's how you pollute the american mind
You have to carve out the framework and you just pour that you just pour the plaster in you just you create the mold
The mold is created with propaganda and conditioning and you do that over years and you can even it even stays in the american mind
if you noticed
And i've studied propaganda for many years. I've also lectured at the university level
um on propaganda and counter propaganda and the the the cold war created such an anti russian animus
uh
In the u.s. Mind in the western mind, but that framework stayed
generationally and then when the russia gate
Hokes was launched all they did was pour in
Propaganda into an existing mental framework that had already been etched out for generations before
In the same with the global war on terror
They're they're using a 9 11 a post 9 11
uh
psychological framework to to to pour in a new round of anti- iranian propaganda
And there's even people saying now iran's responsible for for 9 11
I even saw i think it was mark levine or somebody saying that iran's responsible for the uh
70 000 dead palestinians in gaza and it wasn't it was in israeli no as a fox news pundit
um, but they're making this argument that iran is somehow
uh
Funding terrorism
So then you have to believe that hamas is a terrorist organization and not an armed liberation struggle
That's that's resisting an occupation
Then you have to believe that hezbollah is a terrorist organization and not a local militia
That's an armed liberation struggle opposing israeli occupation
And you have to believe that the hash to shabi is a terrorist organization and not iraq
Iraq's people's mobilization units that were formed to
Defeat isis
And you have to believe that the irgc is a terrorist organization and not the actual
Defense force of a un sovereign member state the resomic republic of iran or the so
Unseller movement
Another good example
And and we could we could add a few more to that so i will argue ryan here and we're getting a little bit off the off the track
To to a big hypothesis
But every problem we have now in the international system the breakdown of international law
The the the onset of world war three the the actual attack on the u.s
Constitution first amendment specifically you look at the anti
Putting down the anti genocide protests across american campuses
And and rubio and the trump administration were predicating this in the israeli lobby and jonathan greenblatt
That this was a pro hamas. These are pro terror rallies
So the abuse of the term terrorism and the labeling a political arbitrary labeling
Of palestine action in the uk for instance as a terrorist group right across the board
It's destroying all of our western legal framework
Right, it's it. This is the number one problem and they'll say and i even hear like, uh, who is it, uh
jonathan stewart
jonathan stewart the comedian he'll he'll caveat everything that oh
Well, look it's the mullahs are still bloodthirsty dictators right in iran this so again back to your question ryan
I was there i'm american they'd have every reason in the world to absolutely hate me
Because my country my government are threatening their existence
And I was treated
Better than well, you know, I was treated as a fellow human being in that country the iranians are
um exemplary uh in terms of
Uh as intellects as an intellectual society
Their hospitality is beyond legendary. They're warm. Uh, there's so much love there when you visit that country
It's incredible how it's been characterized by the israeli and the u.s. Mainstream media
And our politicians is the opposite of what it is
They're not kosim sulimani wasn't a terrorist, right? They said that to justify his assassination
He however was fighting against our terrorists our al qaeda and isis
Uh creations that we armed that we funded that we provided air cover for with our our air forces
That that that's who iran was that's who kosim sulimani was fighting
Uh in iraq and in syria
Uh, has below. Yeah, well the death of america overlap and and the point of which has been made clear
It's you know, they're whether they believe them or not that they're discussing the government and all of that
And it's not it's not only that ryan
It's good ryan. It's not it's not even that the government has never gone and led death to america chance
This is from the people
This is from iranian crowds like and not very often you might see it here and there you might see it on the on the red
ticker tape
Uh in some some mosques, which i did i did see in northern tarana a few years ago when i was there like 10 years ago
I saw this at death to america
On on the ticker tape in the mosque, but what they're saying is death to this
Uh, this american empire, right that is that is killing our scientists
that is
destroying our country that is
Uh ruining us through embargo and sanctions and blockades is overthrowing our governments
Um, and that is backing israel who is attacking us. Um, that's that's and it's not even the government
It's not the governments of that's a lie by the trump administration saying they've been chanting death to america for 40 years
This is what maga supporters and bots will say what i was going to say is ultimately the point was that
Government or people same point is that from the government's perspective?
They have clarified and i'm sure you've seen many points of which they say look
We're and even i think there was even like a whole thing written about how this is about the empire and about the government
To veron's perspective aiming at the u.s. Government like that's what we're from the government's perspective
but then the people at the same point is that if you it's it's about the the
Occupation the influence the destabilization and whether at one point that was the same thing to them
I think it's become clear to people because of the internet and other things that it is the empire
Not the people and I feel I've seen endless examples of that of people who travel there or people
Whether journalists or just average people that tell you the ronians love americans
Which I almost find confounding with where we are
But it seems to be the consistent opinion that I get from people that actually speak to iranians
And so it's an interesting overlap and i'm glad you made that point that it's
But we're not still american people in their minds in a general sense
It's about the stopping the empire and the destabilization of the world
Which is what most of these groups seem to be fighting the danger the danger with this um generally ryan is
The the the binary um our binary view of the world, especially the american view of the world. It's very binary
It's us and them is that the americans will look at
Iran if they believe the propaganda that the mullahs slaughtered 30 000
Protesters, which is total fabrication. I can say that categorically completely fake
I've seen myself with my own eyes the evidence of uh agent provocateurs
rioting armed
Agent provocateur shooting at police using the crowd as human shields burning ems of
Vehicles and attacking ems and fire people when they came to put out fires burning mosques. I like who burns mosques in iran
I mean honestly and anyway, I saw evidence of this police being burned alive
Being doused with petroleum and then lit on fire by these so-called
Democratic protesters who weren't uh democrat many paid many armed many provocateurs
Drugs were narcotics were distributed
To certain groups of youth as I'm sure you know
So so what why this is important is the american reaction to the to the narrative
Would be well the people must rise up to overthrow
Their government and if they don't then the people are condoning
The mullahs regimes violence therefore if the people are subconsciously americans believe if the people then become collateral damage
In the subsequent airstrikes well, it's unfortunate
But they deserve it because they didn't overthrow their government. That's what we projected on libya
That's what we projected on all of these countries where we have ideas about regime change
Is that it's in a way?
It's the people's fault because they haven't risen up the iranians if they wanted they could say the same thing about america
Clearly the biggest terrorists on the planet are the united states and israel and but they could easily be cynical like the americans
Are generally which is they sort of and blame the american people for not
overthrowing donald trump who's quite obviously the most naked war criminal
Of since probably world war two
On the on the world stage. So it's and we we have nothing to say about all we care about is our baseball games and march madness
And the nc2a final four. That's our priority this week. Well, it's not world war three
I don't think that's my opinion, but I but I could be wrong in that
I think that we're growing in that direction either way like we talked about earlier
But I just think it's important that we consider that that they I think it's in the interest of the empire to make us think
That that's what we all want well brent circus and I don't I think
But the thing is at some point ryan if we continue down this road towards towards a a thermo nuclear
exchange
Then that's that's going to be the end result because if countries like russia or china or
iran or north korea feel that
That the west will not and israel will not give up
In regime change and will not give up in destroying their society, which we're witnessing now in iran. They're trying to destroy iranian
universities
educational institutions places of worship
UNESCO world heritage sites we're bombing and destroying all of that then and if we do this to russia continually with ukraine
Okay, at some point
These countries might get together and say actually the biggest threat to our existence is the united states of america
So so they would they would then be justified to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the united states
And and at that point it doesn't matter what we think
It's it's we're into a world of hell
and the human race
Existence is then on the precipice of it, you know
Terminal decline or extinction at that point
And so it's you know
I'm wanting to preempt
You as well. I'm sure in our our colleagues in the more conscientious end of the media are trying to preempt that
From happening. We do we don't want it to get that far, which is why we do what we do
But the average american I don't think they understand the risks
Of what what america is doing in the world that this is not without a cost
Right the cost the cost will come home. So forget about your 401ks or your retirement or your house by the lake
Is none of that's going to mean anything
If you allow our government and our leadership and our big industries our big ai or big military industrial
To continue down this road, you know, it might you might be fine for a while
You might be fine for a while, you know, you might survive the collapse of the u.s. Dollar fine, but uh, you know
That that that did not going to make you immune from the geopolitical realities of living in a thermonuclear
Uh armed world and you have to be very careful america has to again reimagine itself in the world
In the future, I want to stress too that you know, it's it's not this is not hyperbole
You know for those that out there, you know, we could talk about the samson option
We could talk about, you know seamer hirsch's book about we could talk about all the different discussion points about why it's clear that is real one
is
Clearly willing and capable to act out in ways that you know destructive
To potentially global catastrophe ways
But the point is that they would be capable of doing something
I mean have a plan about you know using nuclear weapons
Should they be in a point of weakness or destruction and it's like this is not something that should be dismissed as some hype
You know a conspiracy theory and so it's in the past the reason i'm saying that in the past
You know, I feel like people like alex jones will will hype the idea of a world ending world war three
And playing sometimes where it feels there were you know reasons to be concerned
But in ways that keep people on the edge of their seat all the time about the yet
You know every day is a new threat about we're about to be destroyed by nuclear war and we're at a point where i've never seen it more
you know like
I don't want to say likely. I don't want to scare anybody
But I think we're at a point where that is a actual possibility where in the past it was always possible
But I feel like it was you're dealing with people that were unwilling
You know, I would like to believe you had leaders in these countries that recognized that that would destroy their interests as well
And so it was always normal where now I think israel's leadership is literally belligerent and
Psych, you know, the psychopathy is there, you know, and that that's what worries me about that
But let me give you a quick thought thought experiment ryan
One of the one of the one of the flash points in world world history
You know between successions of empires and world wars is the boss for estrates, which effectively separates europe from asia
Okay, let me give you a thought experiment if israel launched
A major military strike and what you know on turkey on turkey
And i'm talking a serious strike
What do you think the reaction of the united states in europe would be at that point?
Do you think they would would they would they chastise or push back against israel?
Or would they find ways to demonize turkey?
I'm putting that out there because that would be a trigger moment
For a wider conflict it would depend to me on whether or not first they were on like so
I would argue the first way would probably go is to blame somebody else right try to use a false flag dynamic
But let's just say they came out and said we did this right so that's if that's the question then
I would argue yes that because of how invested they are
Overinvested from the u.s. Government perspective that they would have no other choice
But to try to rationalize it and i'd be willing to bet you they'd first try to downplay the idea that it
Was a nuke right or try to weasel in some tactical discussion about why it was okay
Because trump's been the one that's been pushing the tactical direction right?
It's a good point to consider though, but the turkey point is interesting to me though
Because i'm not really sure where I feel I stand on where turkey truly is in all this
I feel like they play it both ways a lot
I think there's a lot of overlap with israel and turkey, but I have seen the interesting turn in the conversation lately
So, you know, what do you think on it? Well, look
Put aside the political dimension and just the reality of the fact that
Israel is now extending its
aggression
Further right on the doorstep of europe and then the question is would europe react to stabilize the situation or to defend israel
And I would argue that probably a meet that reflexively will want to defend israel
I think and in the u.s. What do you think the u.s. Is reaction is the u.s. Is already making noises because israel's broadcasting
That turkey is the next eran. This is what natalia benett and others are publicly saying so they're already
foreshadowing that that conflict which will happen probably most likely unless there is some
political restraint coming from the u.s. And so that's that's my point
Is that it's rational? Maybe it's logical to want to not allow israel to do this
But yet they're going to do it and the u.s. And the europeans will act accordingly
That and what does that tell you about the state of the world and then that goes back to the continuity of agenda
Debate, you know or the tale that wags the dog
Um, you know at some point
You know look look, you know people will point to the brookings institutions
academic paper which path to persia was published in 2010 and they'll highlight a certain sentence
About how the u.s. Were planned to pull out of the jcpoa
And then use that as to pave the way for a war on iran
And somebody could look at that and say well, that's the brookings institute
That's a policy paper. They're giving that to the u.s.
Security complex and national security advisors and presidents will read that and that becomes policy
But that's one way of doing an argument there
But that argument
Is is actually a little bit threadbare because what I do is I'll go and look at who's funding the brookings institute
And I see the biggest israeli donors
And most powerful mega donors from the mega group
Funding the brookings. So what are you reading there? Is that u.s continuity of agenda?
Or is that an israeli continuity of agenda? I would argue follow the money. That's just me
Okay, so someone may have a different opinion, but that's a good example of how one can make an argument, but then it completely ignore
Uh 50 of the equation
to come up with a
A biased conclusion
That pretty much lets israel off the hook
So so what i'm saying is that let that influence is so powerful
That even if they attack turkey and even if that threatened the stability of the entire western world
And really put us right up against the wall with with a nuclear exchange with the likes of russia
Um that they would still not be able to resist it in america that to me is extraordinary
If you think about it
I mean you you could argue based on and I'm like this does not meant to be you know
For those that are new to the conversation. Let's say a hype hyperbole or some kind of conspiracy theory based on the evidence at hand
You could argue it is one in the same that these agendas have like that whether this agenda or just the national security
Direction of both these it is one in the same
We've made similarities about multiple countries, right? And I think you could just talk about the lobbying
But of any country you can see how that could go in that direction
But the invasive like
You know what israel's lobbying has become and what they do through this country can't be denied anymore
And that's what that's one of those things like we talked about in the beginning that cats out of the back
They're desperately trying to hide that but you know and so pulling that into it
What you described there would be not them choosing to go in line with that
But more so that they are not no longer in control of those policy directions. Do you think it's gone?
Or do you think that it's gone well beyond ryan? It's gone well beyond that now
So if you look at now you've got religion which has been injected not just into the body politic
But injected down the military command structure in the pentagon and i'm talking about a specific branch of christianity christian zionism
and now this is basically by
This is a process that has taken place over the last 20 years
Whereby chaplains have been introduced into the military. They're doing baptisms after basic training
They're pressuring young recruits
to adopt more of a sort of end times
World view i.e. looking at this confrontation with iran is a holy war
Okay, that's a real problem within the u.s. Military and ngos legal ngos are taking tens of thousands of complaints
From act of duty servicemen that are complaining that their commanders are trying to basically inject this
And and accusing them of not being christian enough if they don't do x y or z
This was unheard of in the u.s. Military before
And so what is and so the u.s. Commanders are being taken to israel for exchanges?
By an ngo called i think it's a jewish institute for the security of america jesus
And they have these exchange programs. These are the admirals ryan
Highest highest ranking u.s. Officials are being taken for what i think is indoctrination
In israel and who knows what else same thing as our politicians
So what that's done now look at the tweets this week from pete hegseth and don trump god is great
um, you know
We're you're gonna feel the wrath of god and all we're gonna rain hell down on you
And then they're trolling muslim saying praise to allah
One of the other treats this week. I mean it's just insane. Yeah, look at this you you crazy bastards
You'll be living in hell back to the stone age says pete hegseth
I mean so so that religious pete hegseth himself
Went to the king david hotel in 2018 in israel and basically proselytized for the rebuilding of the third temple
And the return of the red heifer
So this so that's what you have to understand ryan and everybody and the you do understand this i'm sure ryan is that
That's why he was shortlisted for secretary of defense. It wasn't because he's qualified
He's by by some senators who raised objections
During the confirmation hearings that pete hegseth is the most unqualified
Secretary of defense in the history of the united states of america in its entire history
And many have also posited that he's the most unqualified high-level cabinet member
In the history of the u.s. Government
So how he was selected though because of his religious fanaticism because of his unhinged personal life
He got kicked out of the dc national guard. He's an alcoholic by by by all reports
Suggested he has all sorts of problems. So he was selected on that basis
And he was he was shortlisted by howard luttnick and jared kushner. They ran trump's cabinet selection
Right, they ran it so and mary maddison could could literally tell and ronald lauder and all these mega donors
Who you're very familiar with they they
Every single person that touched foreign policy and national security is handpicked including the dhs secretary
Handpicked by the israeli lobby or at least they provide the shortlist
And so whoever provides the shortlist and and picks the cabinet determines policy
And that's that's not me saying that look at obama's campaign in 2008
Who who supplied the shortlist for obama's cabinet in 2008 city group
City group and what was that was the year of the bailout that was the year of tarp
That you know, so they they had enough money into the campaign that they
What they wanted in return for their money was to select the cabinet and and people equals policy in american politics
People equals policy. So again, it just shows you the level of
Penetration here that son-in-law of the president united states
is the best friends family friends of the prime prime minister of israel
And acts on behalf of the foreign government
Let's let's let's go into this a little bit more
So, you know the interesting part of this and this is obviously a very important and very relevant conversation
Like it's it's based on a lot of the evidence that's going around
But a lot of it is you know, it's considered to be conspiracy theory
You know the conversation as we were kind of touching on about the right the right
Congress, you know the the conversation to have about whether or not israel's guiding the direction or us is guiding it or some of both
But as much as it may seem weird like that aside because I think that might some in a some way be separate of
You know the question being do you think that israel has
Not just it's not just using this influence to dictate policy
Are you of the mind that there's more actual like coup d'etat level stuff taking place in the government?
and I don't mean necessarily just the the discussion today of the
You know removing people from positions of power, but I ain't going back a long time
Like so pointing to city bank or city group in abama, you know
It's clear in my mind that this government has been selling out to the highest bidder for a long time
But there's been a different shift as you're talking about with the christian zionism, which has been there
But more in my opinion pronounced today
So do you think there's more like a transition of power taking place as opposed to just influence?
I think I think as soon as trump was sworn in
You look who are the major stakeholders. It's big ai
Big tech look at the front row of his inauguration
And and mary madelson and the israeli lobby. I mean that that was a coup
So it's it's and because there's an overlap between big tech big ai and israeli
intelligence
That's another part of this argument
But I will argue even further that uh, what this has done is it's creating
By by injecting steroids into christian zionism in terms of money and the israeli alliance
And the israel's backing of the far right in europe also falls into this category as well
What they're doing is creating sectarianism in the west
And this is something that i witness firsthand in in lebanon in syria
In in iraq and other countries that that level of deep deep sectarian
violence
Which is always imposed from the outside either by the british imperial or overlords the french or the or the americans
They're now doing that in america pete hexeth
Is now drawing a sectarian division in the in trump
between catholics catholics roman catholics in the uh republican party and protestants and now banning catholic services
That have always been available
Uh for pentagon uh employees or staff
And have changed that because of the words from pope leo
For starters basically saying that made i'm surprised and this is an american pope
You'd think that the american
administration would give a little bit of a wide berth to an american pope
The first ever in history pope leo, uh, but he said he can't um, you know justify praying for
War mongers basically for people advancing violence. And so
Which is a reasonable statement
But that was taken as as an aggressive statement by the trump administration and uh the self styled secretary of war and what the
That should tell you a lot of where their priorities are where their mindsets
They want to now draw a sectarian line between christians
In america joe kent
Is just coincidentally tucker carlson catholic joe kent catholic megan kelly catholic
nick flintase if you want to throw it in there in terms of the uh dissenting
maga camp or whatever there's others
um, but they're they're now characterizing them as somehow
Anti-american or dangerous. They're doing this to tucker as well. He's quite open about his beliefs
in his faith
Um, but why this schism? This isn't something that we we used to do this in america
There was a big catholic protestant schism in america. Certainly the uh election of jfk
Was controversial to a lot of people in in the south in the bible belt, but uh in many ways he
Did a lot to heal that rift and we had a bit of an armistice
For for 50 or 60 years
But here we are again
Here we are again. So it's it's amazing that americans will be defaulting back into sectarian divisions
Well, this is such an important point though in the larger larger like even geopolitical conversation, you know
Shei suni kind of this is manufactured in my opinion for a lot of reasons
But what do you think about this point in so the charlie kurt conversation something i've often brought up in this
Because it's completely my opinion
In relation to what you just said i i've called it the charlie kurt problem dilemma that i think what happened right there
Was that charlie kurt became aware of the reality between the you know the actual divide between zionism and israel
Where you know dem to the larger conversation it is the same thing
But suddenly started to realize or more so judeism and israel and zionism and you know same kind of point
And and because i'm sure you followed that and you saw the conversations
He was having and and the stressing of the president about iran and getting attacked by the zionist people
And he was felt threatened in the whole thing and so i love the mind that we there's an interesting divide
And i don't i don't want this to be seen as or heard as the right side versus the wrong side
Or you know they could all have the wrong opinions if you know however you look at it
But that there's now a divide amongst what you just you know the tucker carlson
You know that level and some of the other kind of zionist influence in the same category
And i wonder if that is certain groups just suddenly seeing that charlie kurt problem recognizing the zionism influence
That's not america first that's pretending to be america first and whether we disagree with what we should be doing
Like the maga point they still don't want another group stepping in and driving that agenda
And so i'm feeling like there's this divide within that point. Do you think there's any validity to that?
Well, all tucker all tucker has done and all joe kent did
Is point out israel's um outsized and undue influence over us policy decision making and military uh actions
And that's all they did for that for that. They're castigated. They're they're attacked. They're called anti american
They're called anti semitic all these other things
So it really is it is all about israel at the end of the day
But what they've what they've been able to do for years is because by not having that debate
But by avoiding that debate and again, I I think we owe tucker carlson a tremendous debt of gratitude
for interviewing ted cruise and really
Really exposing just the madness of this extremist christian zionist idea that if you those who
The bible commands us to bless israel and if you don't you'll be cursed by god, you know
And he did that on you know national tv the equivalent of global tv and in a way
And that's a high ranking u.s senator who's pushing this
Type of a cult it really is cult like
But it's never been challenged in a political arena until now
And and now the average person can look at that and say ted cruise is like really off as rocker
I mean, that's just insane john hagi is crazy and we can say that's just a pastor in front of a mega church in texas
But to see a u.s senator or mike huckabee the a u.s ambassador say these things
It takes on a whole not then you realize that this is actually
Totally injected infused into politics right in the united states into decision making into budget allocations all this stuff
And then you're like we might have a problem here, you know, and yeah
You know just this the reality that with all you just discussed that we are being
Hegseth and the rest are saying to their own personnel that this is a war for armageddon
You know, I mean i'm actually completely blown away that that conversation did not completely overtake
I mean, I think we know why it didn't but it that is world shattering
Like you're telling them we're fighting for armageddon that this policy is being driven by some religious prophecy
You know, it's just it's I don't think people wanted to believe that it was just
Really it's it is it is a bit of a shock for a lot of people
They don't really understand what they're watching happen in real time
But I will I will I will say, you know, uh ryan and you know, we blackpilt hard on politics
And the and the two-party system, of course
But the problem is a big problem in the alternative community is nobody participates in that system
So they like there's not people like us in those positions of decision making
There's other people that we have delegated to do that for us and they're doing a terrible job
Um, so that that's one of the main problems
But we're looking at this situation. You're like actually the solution
Has to be political here and and it's a good example
Pete Hegseth, how did if all of the objections came up during the confirmation hearings?
How did he get confirmed right? There's tons of democrats against him. What happened behind the scenes?
I don't this is not a trick question
I think if we ran a multiple choice quiz
We'll say who intervened to order all of those senators to vote for Pete Hegseth
Wild guess, you know a b or c it's the Israeli lobby
And and so that level of
Interference into our politics to make sure that the most unqualified
mentally unstable
Checkered resume most potentially corrupt individual
Is is is in the most powerful position in the government
Then where are we as a country? So are we the superpower?
Because militarily and economically we have all we were suit superpowers, but politically is is america more powerful than israel politically
That's to me an open question politically politically
Well, let me let me end with this question then in regard to the
You know kind of the next step of the question asked before is do you do you think that there is a
Effort here because like what you just described. I'm constantly seeing in every single category
I mean look at the cabinet. We're talking about with that banjino and cash and gnome and bonny
Often people have ever seen these positions. Do you feel that there's an effort from israel or something else to
Not just control but to like destabilize to collapse this country
And if you do think that what's the agenda there?
absolutely
Also, this is also a natural
conclusion of
A lot of people want to put actors and reality tv's
in positions of political power
Because all we care about really is the interface we have in media with our political leaders anyway
Are they good at sound bites? Do they look good? Do they have a full head of hair? I mean america
We're very superficial about these sort of things. We always happen
so
Now you know
Reality v stars president pete hexeth is like a weekend news
Fox he wasn't even good enough to be an anchor. He was a weekend host on fox and friends
He was like mediocre in mediocre fox news pundit
Who's now in charge of a 1.5 trillion dollar destructive military industrial complex?
Uh, and so there we go. So this is what you get zolenski
What is he he's an actor?
He was he was groomed as an actor for the for the job as president
So trump is is really to me a type of a zolenski
Um as is hexeth and and what is zolenski has no choice but to keep doubling down
Because he's he can't get out of the role that he's been cast
He's been given the power. He's been given the clout. He's been given the money
And he can't stop the minute. He he steps off the stage. He's he's finished
He's probably not going to live very long. Um, I would I would argue the same is true with uh, donald trump now
uh, pete hexeth and um, and some of these other
Fox actors that are populating the administration complete empty vessels j.d. Vance is another example
He is to me. He's like the tony blair of america
Uh, a complete empty suit totally malleable. Tulsi gabard is an incredible
Also an incredible shape shifter. I mean she is literally she'll bend to be whatever you want her to be
Uh, so long as he's got a seat on whatever that train
To power is and she's proven that throughout her whole career how she's willing to flip and
remake herself and reshape herself in order to continue her career trajectory
But that's what we've got as a political system
That and you know, we've entrusted we're entrusting these sort of people to making decisions for us. So
Yes, of course ryan, there are the decision makers behind the political facade the black rocks of the world global capital
Uh, the the israeli lobby to me
I regard ryan as a a type of an organized crime international organized crime syndicate
Israel is the hub of an international organized crime syndicate and the israeli lobby is like the u.s
management branch of that syndicate and their job is to corrupt and to steer
The u.s government uh to make life favorable. Uh, and the conditions favorable for them to carry on doing whatever they're doing
Whether it's stealing land assassinating people stealing things
laundering
vast sums of money trillions of dollars of money being laundered
Through through israel and its various affiliates
every year globally
And in a way that overlaps with global capital and the the transnational banking establishment as well
Similar it's part of a similar system. Um, but still where does that leave us?
You know, we we still have agency
I believe if you don't believe you have agency and you're so blackbilled to think that uh, there's no point
Um in any political outcome, uh, I would say that that I'm not I'm not a subscriber to that
I believe that there are the conversations that and the debates that we're pushing
And the points that we're pushing we have we have punctured the mainstream consensus on many many times
And so that's part of we're part of that process
We're all part of that process and we have to keep pushing but i'm not just going to sit there and just blackpill and say
You know that you you there's no point in even being involved
Absolutely, you know, I i'm not a green party supporter, but
having met greg stoker recently and
Seeing his passion and enthusiasm
Even though i'm not uh agreeing agreeing with him on every single issue. I support people like that
Getting involved in politics in the united states. I think we need more people like that
Involved in politics and if we do I think we're gonna have a better shot
Uh at getting the seeing the result that we want which is we want policies that reflect what the public
Want what the public think and as you rightly pointed out the beginning of our conversation rind
General the general public is anti-war
For the majority it's clear. It's it's shown in every poll in every election
So, uh, but that's not where we're getting so why is that?
Yeah, yeah, you know, I I'm I come from more of a uh non-status or, you know more of an
Um an anarchistic perspective when it comes to you know, no government. I would prefer, you know
But I would you know if if we are forced to live in a state of society
I agree with you and I think that it's important that we influence the situation around us
But I'm all I just my eyes. I'm saying I have complete hope for what you're saying
And we all should whatever our opinion is but I I worry that that still leads us in a direction where we're
You know giving away our our agency, you know to to a higher authority to dictate, you know
Government action controlling our lives kind of a thing, but where we're at
The only path to that I argue is sort of the path that you're talking about with the effort to diminish that power
Like so I would argue that's probably a great
I haven't looked into his campaign discussion
But Greg Greg stoker is probably going in that direction
Some are like derrick bros and others, you know have run for a major of houston with the intention to diminish the government influence
And I think that's where we should be leaning and I agree and I'm
Yeah, we need parallel people need to build their own parallel systems and organizations parallel institutions
I'm all for allowing
You know for those things to happen, but unfortunately if we ignore the behemoth
It's going to come crashing down on us wherever we are
That's that's the paradox. That's the problem that we face
Yeah, I agree and this is why it's important not to just tunnel vision under one thing
You know be be open to a different ideas, you know, it's very important today
And you know, I'll end with the point
So I was asking about that again with this this point is that, you know, the collapse discussion
I'm worried about this because it feels almost
Decoupled from the larger agenda to a large degree
And I think this is where you might see more of that schism between the extremist religious Zionist direction
Versed the technocratic direction and all the rest of it which overlap, right?
But you know, if you're if they're discussing this idea that we're fighting for Armageddon
And and the understanding of the prophecy coming from you mentioned the red heifer and the idea of this Zionism perspective
To them it necessitates the collapse of the west and so it's like this weird counterintuitive thing
And so that's why I was asking is like I'm worried that there's this
Drive like you the hexeth and the rest that is driving this to the point
It's like it's not even israeli interest on it's not american interest
It's just completely de hit the unhinged from anything other than this end goal, you know
And so that's why these conversations are so important because you know
You've got to be able to see all these perspectives and there's multi
It's multifaceted there's many different agendas and players and all this
But you know, you just got to bring it home from like I'm speaking from an american perspective
You know and understand that we can't affect this we can't have this change
We need to see the influence and the strings and all the different efforts that are driving us here
you know, so
To end really any other thoughts you want to include, you know, other things are important
Park the conversation or just like upcoming events or things you want to shout out on the way out
Yeah, just on that last point ryan, um, you know, if we have generals or you know heads of the joint chiefs
I mean petex has just purged the number of top generals this past week from the u.s. Military
including
One that was I believe the former commander of the 82nd airborne, which is the very
You know division that trump is
Mobilized to deploy for a ground invasion
In iraq as an example
How do we know what the basis of that purge was was it because they're not on board with the religious
Doctrine with the end times armageddon worldview. They're not christian enough
Again, they're against the ground invasion. We don't know exactly, but I think the answer might come out later
But but it is frightening. So if if you or I ryan are faced
And we we're given like
10 minutes with the top general in the u.s. Who's a christian zionist believes in the end times narrative
What are our chances of convincing him?
And that that he's wrong to abandon his eschatological
deeply held
Religious views about armageddon and the u.s. Playing a role in the coming of jesus and trump being a type of messiah figure
Do we really have a chance of convincing him that that's are those are those beliefs so deeply held?
That there's no way that you know, they're going to change their mind. They're not going to have
A real epiphany
And come back to reality. I'm going to answer that it's very very difficult to tell and it's very I would say no
and so
So if if they are at the top positions in the u.s. Military
command structure
then
you know, even if the
Technocrats or the theos of the world who are clearly like
I believe my my personal opinion is they're atheists and they're technocrats. They believe their god is technology
Their god is automation. Their god is convenience. Their god is transhumanism
then
I I really think that the religious fanatics
Would uh, or would trump or over no pun intended would overcome the technocrats
In that and with nuclear weapons in tow with nuclear weapons until so
So this isn't this isn't we're out. We're not in the realms of
Fantasy or conspiracy theories anymore. We're in the realms of reality here. We have to we have to confront this
We really do as a society
We have to confront this because
It's dangerous. I think I agree completely
Well, it's been a great conversation patrick and I really hope we can do this again because I'm sure we could go
Into a lot of these different specific points and have a deeper conversation on it
So I appreciate your insight and I hope people will check out your work
I'm sure my audience is very well aware of your work
But if you haven't gone through the links and thank you for being or anything else you want to add on the way out
Yeah, yeah, just um, I'll drop some links in the show description. I appreciate that and we are so heavily throttled on youtube
Um, it's and we have been for about 12 13 years
But I'll drop the link to our channel if anybody wants to help us overcome the algorithm
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To our youtube channel that would be massive
I'll put a couple other links there to my sub stack, uh, which I recently started and also a 21st century wire dot com
Outstanding. Well, thank you brother and I'm looking forward to talking with you next time. Yeah, good one
And as always everybody out there question everything come to your own conclusions
Stay vigilant
Any generals and admirals have you fired?
I don't know the exact number. You don't know the a number. It's eight
Can you explain why any of them were fired like just explain why why was
The the the army jag fired. Why did you fire him? They all serve at the pleasure of the president
I think no, I'm just asking you why general kane is a great example
I'm just asking you why I think you probably learned at princeton what why means. Why did you fire him?
They serve at the pleasure of the president. We want better representation in each and every of those you can't explain
Why you fired any of them
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