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I don't like to bend over backwards at this point to give Trump the benefit of the doubt

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and say, well, he was dragged against his will into this. At some point, you have to say,

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he must have wanted this on some level, or at the very least, given the choices that

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he thought he realistically had, he went for this. I think the analogy with COVID is apt

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in that Fauci was obviously anticipating a long campaign. Trump wasn't. Trump said,

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well, I hope this will all be over by Easter. It started in March. Easter was in April,

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and Fauci was saying to now hold on a minute, this is going to go a long time. Trump had

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encountered on that. So likewise, even though I don't say, oh, this was against Trump's will

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or he had to really be dragged into it, I do think there are indications that

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he thought it would be a lot faster than it's turned out to be.