The judges and the courts, they love equity because it gives them great power.
They don't just have jurisdiction over a place, all they need is jurisdiction over a person.
So they can make that person perform what they want them to perform without having to
have jurisdiction.
So it gives them great power for what they can do, what they can accomplish, how they
can help their cronies, but they're not quite used to us bringing it.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to The True Health Report.
And I suppose this episode should be called The True Law Report.
But I'm your host, nevertheless, Dr. Andrew Kaufman.
Now, today I'm continuing my series on equity law with a very special couple who are actually
my mentors and teachers of equity at present.
They're not my first teacher, but it's who I've been working with for about the last year.
And they have excellent courses and a real in-depth understanding.
But most importantly of all, they pass one of my strongest criteria for any teacher of law,
which is that they actually do what they say in their own lives.
So they're not just putting their students at risk.
They actually take any risk that's involved themselves, and they have convinced themselves
and demonstrated how to be successful and are imparting that knowledge onto the students.
And that is a real key attribute and something that I have the utmost respect for.
And today we're going to talk about some equity basics.
So let me introduce Julian and Margaret Swan of standingontherock.com to the stage.
Hello, guys.
Hey, Andy. Great to be here.
Fantastic. So do you want to add anything about yourselves to what I said?
I didn't go into much detail, but clearly you too have devoted all your professional effort
into this pursuit, and it definitely shows.
Thank you. Yeah, we've been teaching for about three years.
I started out in the engineering field and during the whole, you know, fake virus thing,
which actually we found you, Andy, you brought us a lot of reassurance in those years.
Thank God. And I got fired from my job and a week before Christmas of 2021 for not taking
the vaccine. We knew that we had to find a way to stand on our God-given rights,
you know, not mass, not take the test, not take the vaccine.
And we were looking for an area of law that was entirely based off of God's word that didn't
involve all this arguing and fighting that you see. And that's what led us to equity.
And we spent a year bringing equity to our own lives, just charging some
commercial messes that we had gotten ourselves into. And then we began teaching and it's
been just three years of a wild journey ever since.
Well, that's, you know, very interesting. And, you know, I suppose you have validated
necessity as the mother of invention, right? And you figured out a way to be successful.
And I think you made a key statement there that, you know, without arguing and fighting,
can you expand on that a little bit? Absolutely. Equity is entirely based
on God's word. You know, we take the example that was set for us in Scripture.
When we are accused, we don't start contending and fighting with them.
We simply ask the questions that prick the conscience, that drive right to the moral
heart of the issue and stand in that more powerful position of soft power that compels
performance rather than the contention that causes people to resist us.
You know, arguing and fighting tend to be based on a fear or a belief in scarcity of
some kind, that if I don't get mine, there's not going to be anything left for me.
You know, if somebody has wronged me, I have to wrong them. I have to, you know,
yell and point out their flaws. Well, in actuality, we see that we're able to
compel performance far easier when we simply come in and help the court settle things
as an accounting matter as opposed to arguing about the law. So there's all sorts of remedies out
there that dive deep into the Constitution and law remedies from case precedents and the 1800s and
such. These don't take into account the contracts that we've gotten ourselves into in the
modern day. Ever since the 1930s, we have some quite onerous contracts that we're all given
at birth. And, you know, we need to find a way to honor those contracts and walk in them with the
true power that comes with the modern financial system as opposed to trying to argue our way out.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. You're saying instead of trying to argue that
these contracts are unfair or point out something in the law that's contradictory
that should be in our favor, we simply accept whatever they have. If they have a document with
our name on it, we simply satisfy the terms of that. Or we have another way of essentially
dealing with it in a fair way without kind of saying, oh, this is unfair or this is fraudulent
or we don't really owe this debt. We bypass all those approaches of arguing and contesting
and just say, okay, we have an obligation. We'll satisfy it right now.
Yeah, we get ourselves into all sorts of contracts in the modern day. Of course,
you know, everybody knows about the social security number, the birth certificate.
And this is true all over the Western world. We're all given a birth certificate and a tax
number at birth. These constitute some very all-encompassing contracts. And this kind of gets
into the spiritual aspect of things. I mean, the Bible does say not to make yourself a voluntary
surety for strangers, but that's exactly the position that we're all born into,
unless you're obvious, of course, which you got a little bit of a leg up there.
Well, Julian, before you go further, will you define the word surety for us so that
we know that you're talking about? And it's interesting that that word is in the Bible.
Of course, surety means you're the one liable to pay. You are insuring the obligations of another
party. So two parties enter into a contract. The party that is receiving the benefit from
the other side perhaps doesn't have enough standing or enough reputation to be able to
fully account for what he's receiving. And so somebody comes in to kind of vouchsafe
his role in things, make sure that he does what he's supposed to.
So this is kind of similar to being like a co-signer on a loan or on a lease, right,
where you're not living in the apartment, but you guarantee that you'll make sure the lease
is paid, right? You're the responsible party if the actual tenant doesn't pay.
Correct. The theory goes that it's the all caps name that's the one that's involved in the contract
and the new is the actual living person or the surety for that name. So whenever he messes up,
it's you that's got it back.
I see.
Using the all caps name for everything to make it liable for everything. So then through our
contracts we become the surety for that all caps name.
And the Bible, you're saying warrants against being a surety.
Right. Yeah, it says he that hates surety ship will be sure.
So we certainly are roped into going against that basically from the moment of our births.
Right. Now we didn't volunteer to become a surety, did we?
No. I'm using the term volunteer in the legal sense in which you're somebody who
is receiving a benefit without really giving anything in return. And so we are we are actually
in this case receiving that they claim, you know, we're receiving the benefit of not having to sell
any of our debts with actual world money. We're just using these things called Federal Reserve
nodes, which look up node, it's just evidence of a debt. You know, we're receiving the benefit
of kind of having them figure out our whole financial lives for us. And we just kind of
report it to their tax agencies at the end of the year.
There are licenses and registrations and passports.
Right. We're actually we're seen as commercial enemies, you know, foreign enemies of the United
States for commercial purposes ever since the amendments to the the Trading with the Enemy
Act and the war powers, the emergency powers that have been stacked on top of each other
throughout the years. And so we're actually being given a benefit of being able to
operate in commerce through their licensing system. I can go more in depth on on that if you
like. But yeah, it's well, let me let me give a brief summary to for those in the audience who
may not have heard of this. But what you guys are referring to is that there was a major,
you know, change to the financial system in 1933. And part of that was delineating,
you know, US citizens as enemies of the state and applying the Trading with the Enemies Act
from World War One to American citizens. And because they were considered as enemies of the
state, they had to be regulated in commerce. So they had to require licenses, for example.
And then at the same time, the money was taken out of the system, right? The constitutional
money, the gold and silver, and all of the, you know, quote unquote currency now became
essentially debt instruments or debt notes, right? That are promised against our surety ship,
essentially. Yeah, and I know you have a great video about this based on Eugene Schroeder's
War Powers Report just dives into all the primary source material about how and why this
happened, you know, basically in the height of the Great Depression, across the entire Western
world, we saw every Western country abandoning the gold standard and the silver, of course.
And the Constitution, the Article I, Section 10 Clause, one set forth that only gold and silver
could be used as tender for settlement of debts. Whereas the rest of the Western world had
already kind of incorporated negotiable instruments in place of real money ever since the late
1800s, with the Bill of Exchange Acts. But the United States held out to the 1930s,
specifically 1933, about five days into Roosevelt's new presidency. They passed the
Emergency Banking and Relief Act. This exempted the gold clause of the Constitution and allowed
them to bring in negotiable instruments to pass freely as a substitute for money,
basically in keeping with the entire transition that had been going on for a couple of decades
already with the new central banking system. This war of governments versus central banks
that have been fought for hundreds of years that the banks finally won in the United States
in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. And so this process just brought us all under
negotiable instruments, the modern monetary theory system. And in order to get around
the Constitution, they had to use the very war powers that the Constitution provides an
exemption for, declaring all of us to be commercial enemies in order to get around the
gold clause and to be able to license our day-to-day commercial activities.
And it's interesting that every single president since then has,
since acquiesce or agreed to that same condition.
Right. Every president has to sign the emergency powers back into effect
every single year and every single one of them has done so.
I don't know what side they're on.
That's right, because this is all, when you talked about the enemies of the state,
being the people, commercial enemies, well, that constitutes an emergency situation.
And when there's a state of emergency, it suspends various aspects of constitutional
protections of natural law. So as a result of that, the emergency can only exist for a limited
period of time. And that's why it has to be renewed by each executive that comes into office.
So those people, for example, who are big proponents of Trump, you could ask the question,
why did he also renew this banking emergency and allow the system to continue?
But essentially what this has resulted in and why it's a victory for the banks, as you pointed out,
is because instead of having to pay humans to mine gold and silver out of the earth,
or exchange it for their labor for pre-existing silver, now they can,
with the stroke of a pen originally, now with a few keystrokes,
they can just bring new currency into existence, almost as if it's magic,
but it doesn't require any investment from them to reap the rewards of that.
Correct, yeah. I mean, in the 1800s, if there was some kind of right violated,
and we go and have a fight about it, but now, just with the stroke of a pen,
we can create a negotiable instrument and use that to settle any kind of disputes or
controversies. You know, the modern day money literally does grow on trees. I mean,
it's just paper with a signature on it. Or it grows on digital trees.
Well, it grows in coal mines to create the electricity for the bits of data to move around.
So can you define, like in simple terms, what exactly a negotiable instrument is? Because
we've been using that term and it's kind of scary for people. They don't realize that
every kind of money they've dealt with in their life are only negotiable instruments.
Yeah, basically it's an advanced financial concept from olden times that has been
adapted in the modern day to constitute a far broader reach of our transactions.
So to break it down, it comes from a maritime law where goods would have to be shipped across seas,
and it would take several months to get there, and the voyage would be dangerous. Sometimes
they're having to ship gold and silver across robber infested lands, and it got to be just
too expensive and too risky to be doing that. So the banks came up with a system whereby they could
negotiate paper, just put a promise on a piece of paper and have it backed by the full faith and
credit of that financial institution. Somebody would take it to a bank in Jerusalem or in India
and would be able to get the equivalent amount of gold or silver,
reimbursed them, or goods, whatever the voyage required. So it was an advanced financial instrument,
but in the modern day, it contains a promise to pay. It's vouched for by somebody's signature
indicating their promise performance to pay it, and there's a few other factors. It has
to be payable within a certain time and there's a couple other factors about it. But in the
modern day, it's been adapted to a very broad range of just everyday activities. I mean, even
now just receiving a summons from a court or a complaint, something that generates a court case
like a complaint or a grand jury indictment or something. All of these things actually meet
all the fundamental legal qualities of a certain type of commercial instrument called a draft,
and this gives us a lot of power in commercial law if we understand how to wield it.
Now, just to not confuse everybody, a draft is the word that is used in the UCC, but in the
countries like Canada and the UK, they call it a bill of exchange, correct?
Correct. It's a particular type of bill of exchange, but they'll be more familiar with
that language. Yes. So we've traced this out all through the UCC and through all the
bills of exchange acts as well all across the Western world, which the UCC is based off of,
specifically, UCC Articles 3 and 9 and their equivalents across the various bills of exchange acts.
Oftentimes, it's the signature that gives that draft or that bill of exchange,
that commercial energy. So that's what's the power, is the signature.
Yeah, the modern day, the signature really represents your performance. The signature on
that draft instrument can be taken to the central bank and it basically exchanged for credits or
dollars in the account upfront based on whoever signed its promised performance. Basically,
when you go to the bank, you sign the credit card agreement. The only thing transacted of
any value between you and the bank is that signature, which they convert to many times over
what they're lending you pretty much immediately based upon your promising to pay off this debt for
quite a long time. Let me give an example to people of this that they're very familiar with
and that is writing a personal check because that is also a draft, which is defined as an
order to pay. And so when you write out a check, of course, you know that the check
you can't do. Nobody can do anything with it unless you sign.
So the signature line has to be there. Otherwise, there's no energy. You can put dollar amounts
and you could put a payee in there, but it won't matter without the signature. So
that's an example of the commercial energy. And what the check is, is that you're ordering
the bank, which holds your account that's named on the check to pay the payee, whoever
you put pay to the order of. So it could be your utility company, it could be your brother-in-law
who paid for dinner and you're paying your share, whatever it is. And so there are three parties,
the person ordering to pay, the party that's paying, which is usually the bank, and then
the payee who's receiving the payment. And there's one other signature that has to be there
in order to use that check and that's the endorsement. And that is really kind of the giveaway that it's
a negotiable instrument that it could be endorsed, which is a way of transferring it
to another party. That party could be the payee or they could endorse it to yet another party.
And there could be a whole series of endorsements like hundreds of them just passing
this check around and no one ever caches it. And that's kind of what happens with
many of the notes that are our Federal Reserve notes. But the example that you talked about,
let's say you get a summons like from the motor vehicle department, like for a traffic citation,
that summons is ordering you to pay. And it often will have a dollar amount on it.
And so that's how you know it's a negotiable instrument because it's one party telling another
to pay an amount. Correct. And there's other fundamental legal qualities such as being
payable within a certain time, it being a request from those who control the account,
that's very important as well. Because to make the parallel with the court,
you look up bank and black solid dictionary, it'll just tell you right away it's a court,
they don't even try to hide it. But to draw the parallel there, the judge
or the prosecutor are signing the instrument, ordering you to pay within a certain amount
of time a certain amount of money and satisfying all the fundamental legal qualities of a draft.
And so if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and treat it like a duck,
you can accept the draft. And we are conferred just a ridiculous amount of power under UCC
Articles 3 and 9 when we began accepting these draft instruments and helping the courts to
basically sell their books on the matter. We're able to go in and treat the case
like an accounting matter. Because if you look up the definition of discharge and blacks under
subhead or equity practice, you'll see that equity makes you the accounting defendant.
And in the modern day, that's quite useful because under modern monetary theory,
everything has become commercialized. I think one of the things that we do is take people
to source material, you know, blacks law dictionary and the thesaurus, the legal thesaurus
and commercial manuals and so on. And you start to see a little bit different, you know,
how these words, how they use these words and how we can also use them. Like for instance,
you spoke of a summons and if there's a warrant out for someone's arrest,
that again is making them the surety, you know, they'll come and ask for the body of that person
to show to make sure that you show up in court and pay the debt.
So that's what that's about. Also another thing about equity, equity jurisprudence as a
section of law came about because the common law was all about
in rem, which is about the property only. And that was how you settled debts was either
money or property, but equity came about to be about performance. So that you could perform
in order to in Jolene could probably offer some examples of the way that in performance work.
Well, sir, you know, equity came about because of the imperfections in the common law. I mean,
again, you can look this up in blacks as well, the equity came about as a more moral solution
to the strict law that was available under common and commercial law. Oftentimes,
common law and commercial law did not capture the full remedy that somebody needed.
It would just pay out damages, perhaps if you had the correct cause of action,
that maybe you need the person that wronged you to do some kind of performance to
stop blasting their music all day long or, you know, whatever the case may be.
So equity actually is able to exercise jurisdiction over the actual performance
of individuals as opposed to just paying out damages. We do talk a lot about blacks
law dictionary and Burton's legal the source and they're quite useful resources, but ultimately
these are just secondary sources. We actually in our class, we take the students deep into
primary source material and they're tracing these things through the Federal Reserve Act,
the banking acts, the bills of exchange acts and all the countries and all the various
ways that we came off the gold standard and entered this modern monetary theory of
securitization, hypothesization and and negotiable instruments.
So I think that go ahead. Oh, I think it's really good to mention like the specific bodies of law
where these principles that were discussed and come from. So I'm glad that you mentioned that.
So you mentioned several things, right? The Securities Exchange Act, the Emergency
Banking Act, the Federal Reserve Act and there are other federal laws that are relevant as well.
And we mentioned the Uniform Commercial Code, specifically Article Three, which has to do with
negotiable instruments and Article Nine, which has to do with securitization. And then going
with that, if you're in one of the, you know, British colonies, then you would look at the
bills of exchange act, right? Because they haven't adopted the UCC there, but the rest of the world
pretty much has the UCC. So now that we know, you know, what the primary sources are,
can you give like a definition of exactly what equity is?
So in the modern day, all government agencies, court systems, banks, etc., all forced to
cooperate with the central banks in order for the overall functioning of the economy.
What this winds up looking like is that they all have to participate in securitization schemes
in order to make the money that they need to operate day to day. So the banks, you know,
I mentioned when you go in, you sign a credit card agreement, whether they reject you or
approve you for the card, they're still going to use your signature on that document,
convert it into a performance contract based upon your promise to work very hard to pay off the debt.
And the central bank will actually give them money in their account for that promise.
You know, they extracted that promise from you, you know, the payer of the debt.
You know, when it comes to a court system, again, it's very similar. They're extracting
performance from you. They're getting you to agree to certain behavior, which allows them
to guarantee that behavior with certain bonds. You know, every court case, you know, we of course
know about the appearance bond in a criminal case, that one they don't try to hide. I mean, they,
you know, you get to bail out of jail and you have to sign an appearance bond guaranteeing your
promise to appear in court. Were you about paying your debt to society?
Yeah, I mean, there's penal bonds. I mean, I always thought it was real,
you know, interesting that what a bonds, right? Bonds is like something you think about Wall Street,
right? I mean, they even have Bond Street in the financial district. So why is someone charged with
a crime, right? Why are they going to a bail bondsman? Why are they bonding out, right?
You know, I mean, obviously you said already that according to Black's law,
right? A court is actually a bank, but this is so, you know, veiled and opaque to the average person.
Yeah, I mean, that's really the question that begins to unravel the whole thing. I mean,
it's they stick it right out there in your face. Most people don't question it,
but once you start to think about it, you know, why are bonds being generated on every
single case? I mean, not just the appearance bond, but they have the bid performance and
settlement bonds on every single case. And then, you know, the court is requesting these bond companies
to generate these bonds. The court takes possession of them, passes them off to an indenture trustee
to be pulled inside of a securities fund, like a bond fund packaged along with hundreds of other
bonds to be traded on the open market. And we have at least indirect proof of this. I mean,
you know, if you have a relationship with any investment broker that is able to use a
Bloomberg terminal, for example, any kind of user interface whereby they can access the back end of
the securities and exchange commission computer system, they can type in somebody's name, somebody's
social security number and somebody's court case and pull up all these bonds that are associated
with these these three factors. So it just it just proves that, you know, there are bonds
generated on all of these cases and they're being traded on the open market for a profit.
And so courts actually have a financial interest in every single case that they
oversee. And even on something as serious as like a murder case, you know, they're still making bets
on it. I mean, it's it's crazy the way the world runs in the modern day. Yeah, they're just
they're having lots based on, you know, what happens in that court case, what happens to that
person who's in the court case. And you know, they're just like the people back there on the
street, you know, you know, dice on the corner. Yeah. Well, you know, this sounds exactly like
mortgage backed securities, for example, or other securitized derivatives, right, where they take
all of the the notes from various mortgage loans and pull them in a trust and have investors
buy shares of that pool and essentially bet are the people with the notes that, you know, that the
the promissors in that pool of notes, are they going to pay their monthly payment or
are they going to default, right? And they're betting probably both ways. You know, there
are way, right, you can have a short or a long position. So you could bet that they're
going to default or you could bet that they're going to pay. And so they're doing the same
thing with criminal court cases, civil court cases, right, all court cases on the back end
that they're generating negotiable instruments and then putting them into pulling them into a
trust. And the holders of these shares are institutional investors, right? They're not
regular people who might buy a few shares of Microsoft or Apple, right there. We're talking
about pension funds and other types of major institutional investors. And I understand even
the judges and other members of the court may be shareholders in some of these schemes.
Correct. Yeah, it's a very cynical system. I mean, we're, you know, basically all human behavior
and human accomplishments, you know, we just got all these, you know, banks and
financiers making bets on it. Yeah, you can trace the United States code has specific codes about
what's called the court registry investment system. That's what the financial kind of pipelines look
like at the federal level, whereby, you know, these bonds are passed into these funds traded
on the open market and the profits actually feedback through the court registry investment
system into the federal courts. And of course, every state level court also has its own
equivalent of this. And Canada is on the same system as the United States, you know, under the
same securitization system, there's a separate system for the UK and Ireland, there's a separate
system for Australia and New Zealand, but it's all a reflection of the same thing.
Now, everything you're talking about with this system, though, this is commerce not equity.
Correct. Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. Yes, we exploit a lot of, you know, very
useful commercial loopholes for lack of a better word, just basically exploiting the way that the,
you know, the modern system works. And we, you know, we dive deep into finance for that.
But we must wrap these things in a veil of equity in order to avoid contracting with the
courts. So really, you know, I can go back to the issue of the negotiable instrument. There's
a million processes out there that use negotiable instruments, you know, that teach you how to
write a promissory note or a bill of exchange or whatever until you can pay your bills with it,
or you can sell the court case with it, but really sets us apart, you know, because we're
using a similar instrument, but we teach the students how to not contract with the courts.
So usually when somebody goes into court, you know, even if they give them an
negotiable instrument, even if it's properly tender, they still open themselves up to a number
of other contracts with the court and left all of these avenues, including the negotiable instrument
available to the court to use to settle the matter. And most of those just involve the
person going to jail or whatever. And so of course, the court is going to use the contractual
avenue that's been opened up that benefits them the most. So when we use equity, we're able
to employ these commercial techniques, but in a way that we don't trip over these
adhesion contracts that courts use to ensnare people and get them to volunteer for, you know,
a prison sentence or a fine or, you know, whatever the case may be. So that's really the most
important part of our process is that there are just a million different adhesion contracts out
there, and equity is what helps you avoid those and only leave that one avenue available
to them, which is the negotiable instrument that you've tendered in order to fully
settle and close the matter. And so as long as that's the only thing available to them to settle
everything, you know, eventually, with all these cases, the train must come into the station.
And when things come to an end, they'll have to use that one avenue that we've left available
to them to settle the matter. Do you want to say anything? Oh, I was just going to say,
we sometimes call it the art of inquiry, where we use very, very specific particular
questions in order to bring out the truth, the points that we're trying to make and
that do prick the conscience, that do maybe imply some liability on their part. And that
can be in a courtroom or any authority figure, somebody trying to tell you to wear a mask,
somebody trying to tell you to take a vaccine, whatever. So it is that art of inquiry, which
which also, you know, there's that saying, the person who's asking is asking, you know,
it's the king that's asking the question, you're directing the conversation when you're
asking the questions. And also, it's more, it's non combative. So we're not accusing people
of things, we're not telling them this, we're not fighting, we're just asking questions. And,
you know, you can always say, don't I have a due process right to
ask questions on my very life, my freedom is on the line.
Yeah, we have to do that because the court is the one venue in all the world that was created to
eliminate controversy. So when you go into the court, you know, and you have a dispute with
somebody, you say the law should apply one way, they say the law should apply another way,
you're basically you're both giving the authority to the judge to settle the whole
thing, according to however he wants to do so. And equity gives them a very broad
discretion. I mean, usually it's used against us for that reason. But when you come in and just
ask questions, and don't create controversy, don't cite laws, don't make statements,
then you have shut down that entire avenue of, you know, the way that most people come
in contract with the court by creating controversy. And so the questions just help us to remain
in a position of commercial honor, accepting their instruments to help them settle and
close the matter as I discussed, and not opening up those other avenues of adhesion contracts.
So I think one point that you're really making here is that you are bypassing or side stepping
all of the, you know, statutes, codes, and case law to just really make it a financial and
accounting matter. And you're also using kind of like the Socratic method, right, of inquiry,
not making, not testifying, right, not making claims, but asking questions to sort of probe
at some of the unethical and perhaps even illegal at some level activity that they're
trying to make as much money from your controversy as possible. But let me ask this,
you know, does this only take place in a special court? Because, you know, courts are in maritime
or commercial jurisdiction, as far as I understand, and they have, you know, civil
procedure, right, that is mapped out that you have to do things a certain way, speak in a certain
way, move the court in a certain way. But it sounds like you're not doing this in equity.
So equity has been combined under the overall commercial court system. And this goes back to
the Judicature Acts of the late 1800s. For most Western countries, the United States,
it happened with the rules of federal criminal or civil procedure in the 1930s. But
whatever the case may be in the modern day, equity is combined under the overall commercial
court system. And so you can bring equity in any court in the land, you don't have to be in a special
chance to report. You know, there's maximums such as equity follows the law, or in a fiction of law,
equity is always present, or where the law feigns equity subsists. So these are describing
situations where the law is inadequate to provide the most moral remedy. When the law
messes up, equity follows in to clean up the mess. And even the Judicature Acts stated
that where the laws of commercial or common law conflict with equity, equity will always prevail.
So in the modern day, when they're making bets on every case and every court has a
financial interest in every matter, clearly the law has feigned and equity needs to come in and
clean up the mess. I would say too, as far as equity goes, we know that the judges and the
courts, they love equity because it gives them great power. They don't just have jurisdiction
over a place, all they need is jurisdiction over a person. So, and they can make that person
perform what they want them to perform without having to have jurisdiction. So it gives them
great power for what they can do, what they can accomplish, how they can help their cronies,
but they're not quite used to us bringing it. So that's where we come in to really help
people understand the standing that they have in equity and to be able to stand in front of a judge
confidently and as an equal really, and speak to the judge about these issues in the form of a question.
Yeah, the judge has given a very broad discretion in equity. He's actually able to go
outside of the confines of the law and just come up with whatever solution he feels is most
moral. Eustis Mullin's actually famously bitterly complained about equity because of
this reason. He claimed they were just using it against us and they didn't even have to follow the
law. What he didn't understand was the adhesion contracts. I mean, he was writing this in the
1930s when this system really just began to take form. It took about 80, 90 years for
people to figure out that if you stop getting yourself into these contracts or you use the
incredibly powerful remedy of equitable recision to unmake the contracts, then you can put
yourself back into that original position of being the source of issue for all credit in this country.
Just able to take your signature on that piece of paper, as we discussed, and tender an instrument
which the court is able to use to get paid to settle the matter and leave you the heck alone.
So are you saying essentially that if you just bring equity to the court through your
documents and the way that you use inquiry that the judge now has a different set of rules?
It's a set of rules that runs concurrently to the law and takes over where the law falls short.
So it is a personally guarded secret, but we're still subject to the same rules that
everybody else is. It's just that everybody else tends to trip over these adhesion contracts,
contract with the court six ways a Sunday, and then they come out saying, oh, they railroaded me,
you know, they didn't accept my documents, they wouldn't talk about anything I want to talk about.
Well, the reason was because that person created controversy, you know, they stumbled over a
number of adhesion contracts that allow the judge to just basically run roughshod in the whole case.
You know, when you don't do that, then you open up the door to just settling things like an
accounting matter. You're able to use, you know, equitable means of getting these commercial remedies
out there and just helping the court settle its books as an accounting matter. Since the court
has already commercialized the matter by generating bonds on it that are being traded on the open
market and feeding back into the court system, you know, into the judge's retirement fund
and, you know, operating costs for the court. So we're really just using the concurrent
systems of law that they've already set up, you know, in a way that kind of flummoxes the attacks
that they bring against us. Well, let me give you an example from my case because we've been
working together right on a court case involving debt for a while now. And one of the things
that we observed, and we have had a little pushback on here, right, and which is kind of
speaks to the adhesion contracts that you're referring to. But in the New York rules of civil
procedure as in really every other state, to submit a document into a court case, you have to either
have an affidavit of service, right, which proves that the document was delivered to the recipient
with, you know, a third party, or they allow you to use like a special electronic
filing system that, of course, you have to contract into. Now, when we submitted documents
into my case, we didn't use either of those methods, right? We just used essentially the regular mail
and, you know, sent them to their address, not to the court in general, but to directly to
the parties like to the judge, the court clerk, etc. And then during the hearing, the
attorney on the other side tried to challenge those documents, right, saying that they weren't
entered into the record. But the judge said, no, they're in the record, essentially, right? But
that's totally against the rules, right, of civil procedure. So is that, you know, how did that
come about? Is that related to the adhesion contracts you were talking about? So that is
the judge basically acknowledging the power of what it is that you're doing. You know, the equity
reaches a lot deeper than just mere statute. So the statutes say, well, you got to use a filing
system, you got to pay a filing fee, you have to have the style of the court on there in a
certain way, we like, but the judge was just acknowledging the concurrent system of law that
runs right alongside that, which states that the law of notice is sufficient for, you know,
getting things onto the record. You know, the record is not some document on a computer.
The record exists in the heart of the judge. It is actually a higher concept than, you know,
any kind of recording of the or transcripts or, you know, dockets or case files. It exists in
the hearts of in minds of all the people that are present in that case, especially the heart
in mind of the judge. And so the judge there was just acknowledging that he already has
constructive notice of all of your filings just because the court received them. You
notice if you look up the definition is just intelligence by any means communicated.
Well, as soon as they receive the notices, you've communicated the intelligence and constructive
notice works by, you know, anybody who should be able to have knowledge of a thing, if it's
posted in a public place or if it's delivered to one of their agents, they're supposed to have
knowledge of it. And so the law of constructive notice says that when the clerk receives your
mailings, the knowledge of those documents is automatically imputed to the judge by law.
And the word imputed means he's charged with it. It just automatically falls upon him to have
knowledge of those documents, even if he doesn't even read them. So the judge was just acknowledging
basically a deeper law, a concurrent system of law, which is a lot more fair and moral,
of course, that's equity for you than the statutes that they were originally telling you about.
Now, I want to shift a little bit and talk about this sort of, you know, some people might refer
to as a patriot law movement, a sovereign citizen movement. But even beyond that, right,
just like kind of a freedom law movement, because there are many, you know, people out there who
put out teachings or even who have courses, right, that realize that some of those terms
are self-contradictory. And many of these teachers, and you know, I know you've learned
material from them, I've learned a lot of material from them, find a lot of truth in
actual law, right, that is on our side. And they've come up with a lot of different,
you know, procedures that seem to be very consistent with the law. And maybe they've
occasionally been successful. But generally speaking, they are unsuccessful, right. And that
would be, you know, things like handing your birth certificate over to the judge in a courtroom,
right, or doing a status correction or getting some, you know, special kind of passport or
sending notices to the secretary of state or all these kinds of things. But they don't, right,
they don't get actual remedy for the person in the end. Whereas in equity, you don't try to
correct any of these things. You keep your status as a surety, right, you can still continue to
do regular business in the real world. But you have this remedy where, you know,
you can kind of bypass the commercial laws and settle it really the way it started with the signature.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people out there fighting and struggling to get back to
a status that they are nostalgic for or longing for that they really never got to experience,
you know, that our great grandparents maybe had, but that was given up by us through Congress
in the 1930s. And that most of, most Western countries really never got to experience in the
first place. I mean, all that stuff in the 1930s only happened because they had to get around the
Constitution. But all of these, these argumentative processes whereby we, you know, we search deeply
into the Constitution or people's charter rights or, you know, these case precedents,
which usually went in our favor in the 1800s and in the modern day, don't. It's all based
around this attempt to get back to a place that we really don't need to get back to in order to see
remedy. You know, like you said, in that role of surety, we already have an incredible amount of
power. You know, just using the commercial laws that have been wielded against us for so long,
using the equity jurisprudence that gave the judges power over us for so long.
In the modern day, we have figured out how to use these things to discharge any attacks
that are brought against us. So other processes tend to be based on, you know, arguing and fighting
about these things. And there are a number of people that came before us, which, you know,
pulled out some very important aspects in that arguing and fighting. They discovered the bonds,
you know, they talked about various commercial remedies that we've been able to adapt and
run with. We stand on the shoulders of giants, you like to say. Yes, we all stand on the
shoulders of giants, you have people like Roger Elvik, Victoria Joy. I mean, they really
brought a firm foundation in commercial remedy. And we've taken the ball further down the field
and we expect our students to do the same. You know, I want my ceiling to be the floor for my
students. So, you know, our process takes a much different approach. And, you know, we've been
getting ourselves into contracts for so long in the modern day. I mean, you know, we're all born
into them, but then we continue to use them. We use that tax number to open a bank account.
We use it to get a driver's license to fly a plane or rent a car. We're just contracting with
Babylon all over the place. And then we feel like, you know, the walls are closing in,
like the economy is getting rougher, you have this fear and the scarcity mentality.
And it's causing us to just fall deeper into debt, which is, in our process, we call debt
sins because, you know, the courts see them as the same thing. The courts are really running off
of Roman ecclesiastical law. That's why the judge wears a black robe. That's why, you know,
every court has a picture of Lady Justice, which is, you know, an illusion to a Roman
deity. So, we are sinning or, you know, falling into debt all over the place. And
so a big part of equity is repentance and forgiveness. You know, we have to forgive
the people that we feel like have victimized us and put us in this role of surety. We need to repent
for the mistakes that we've made, the contracts that we've gotten ourselves into. And, you know,
repentance comes from the Greek word metanoia. I mean, it's where we get the word metamorphosis
from. It doesn't mean saying, oh, I'm sorry, remorse is not repentance. It doesn't say
that anywhere in Scripture. It's a transformation. You know, you're in this, this fallen state of,
you know, being raised in this culture of surety ship where you're, you have all these false ideas
put upon you from the time you were a child about health, about your place in the world,
about who God is, and you're in this fallen state separated from your true identity, separated
from God. And repentance is just this divine moment that comes where you experience the truth
and you turn yourself around and you begin to walk in who you really were made to be
and who God really is and your relationship. You know, the word sin comes from the Greek
word ha martia, which a lot of people translate as missing the mark, like an archery term, but
also be translated as formlessness. You know, ha is a negation and martia means form. So
sin comes from a state of not knowing who we are, of having the form of being separated from our
true identity. So a lot of what we do with the students is to work with them to be able to
understand who God really created them to be so that they can make a transformation, turn around
and begin to walk the path of that true purpose, their true calling and way that helps them to walk
out of this indebtedness and this sin and all these attacks that are brought against them
into a position of true honor and power where they can discharge
all of these things and walk out their best life. I think too, it's important to understand,
you know, what you know, a lot of people talk about a spiritual aspect, but you know, there
really is an equity speaks to the conscience. So we know it's spiritual. Anybody that's been in a
courtroom has felt the overwhelming power of seeing the judge way up there with a gavel and a black
robe and you know, it's pretty scary, pretty intimidating and that it's on purpose. So,
you know, and a lot of the students that come to us, we call it the domino effect,
like one thing's happened in their life and then that leads to another thing and then
that leads to another thing and another thing. And then it's just the dominoes falling and they're
suddenly in this crisis place. And sometimes it's just one consultation with us to help them
understand, wait, I mean, I've been looking at this all wrong. I've been looking at it through
this false identity of not who I really am and not what's really going on. And once that
repentance, that turn, that shift happens, they can see hope, they can see the light,
and then things start to change for them just based on that, not even taking the class yet and
we've actually seen that happen. So it's really amazing to understand that and just
tell, you know, a lot of people think, you know, oh, they're corrupt and they're out to get me
or whatever. It's just the way the system set up. It's definitely stacked against us.
But if we know how to navigate it, we're not trying to bring down the system. We're trying to
make sure that we're left alone, that we're treated fairly. And in a bigger sense,
we would like to shift things. But that's done by everybody understanding who they are,
who they really are, what that identity is, and how to ask the questions that
compel the performance that they want to happen. Well, you know, I've really
experienced that personally because I've been in two court cases, you know, where I litigated.
Actually, they're more than two, but only two that I made appearances at hearings.
And I was essentially looked at as, you know, I felt like they were looking at me as a dead
beat. It's like if it was like the schoolyard, I would be the young, wimpy kid that they could
just push around and use as a gopher. You know, they didn't take me seriously.
They just walked right over me like as if I wasn't there. When I went, you know, to the
same courtroom in one of those cases, bringing equity, it was totally different. Like you could
tell they were intimidated. They, you know, they took me very seriously in a distinct way
from the prior times. And I remember walking out of a hearing, you know, when I was litigating,
and I just felt like tiny, right, and defeated, like the wind was taken out of me.
But when I walked out of here, I'm like, damn, they're like, you know, they're thinking that I'm
a real threat now. You know, they're like worried that they're going to get in trouble.
Yeah, it was very, very different. Yeah, that's the power of equity. You know, when you're in
that commercial, admiralty, maritime, or even common law place, I mean, it is brutal. And
they always have another trick up their sleeve. I mean, that's why we don't try to beat them at
their own game. You know, we just kind of unravel the commercial maze and give them something that
they can use to get themselves paid. And they depreciated. I mean, our students receive much
better treatment in court, bringing this process than anything they've been used to.
And it was so wonderful to see that in your case, too.
I think, too, that, you know, you were used to thinking of the Bible and the, you know,
that is like some kind of, you know, right wing, something or other, that some political thing.
But really, when you think about it, God is truth and fairness and, you know, what is right.
And when you realize that that's what you're standing for, you know, whether it's in
health and, you know, about the viruses and that sort of thing, or whether it's in these
financial matters. And so God really is on your side when you're speaking truth and being righteous
and caring about, you know, autonomy and independence and who we really are. So,
that's another power. And so when it says things in the Bible like, you know,
don't worry about what to say, because, you know, the Holy Spirit will give you the words
in that moment, you know, because God is on your side. There is a spiritual aspect.
And when you tap into that, it's a technology. You know, forgiveness is a technology.
Repentance is a technology. A technology being something that makes your life better
and that everybody can use and that changes the environment.
And so when you start to look at these concepts as, you know, Jesus was teaching us
a technology that works here, it's like, oh wait, this opens up a whole new avenue.
Yeah, the world may hate it, but heaven, all of heaven backs you. It's the same thing when you
talk about all the absurdities of virology. I mean, the Holy Spirit comes in and just backs
you up and people can hear the truth ringing in your voice. It's the same thing when we
walk into court and expose what they're doing, just using questions and get the case
settled and discharged. Truth has a ring to it.
Now, I want to just play devil's advocate for a minute because I've even heard some people in
the law freedom space talk about this. But, you know, when you bring equity and get remedy,
right, some might say that you're loafing on your debt, right, that you went in there,
you promised to pay, you took out a loan, you know, they gave you their assets,
and now you're basically leaving them high and dry. And of course, that would be immoral.
And I want to just distinguish this from, we're not talking about like you borrow,
you know, your neighbors power tools and then you sell them on eBay, keep the profit.
We're not talking about that situation. So, can you speak to this like, you know,
are you cheating when you bring equity?
Yeah, the world hasn't worked like that in nearly 100 years, at least when you're dealing
with banks and institutional players. You know, under modern monetary theory,
negotiable instrument pass freely is a substitute for debt and discharge every
debt dollar for dollar just on their face. So, when you, for example, you know, I talked about
signing the credit card agreement with the bank, well, whether or not the bank approves you or
rejects you for that credit card, they have already taken your performance contract to the
central bank window, to the discount window at the Fed and gotten some digital dollars in their
account. They, if they approve you for the card, then your monthly minimums also include
insurance premium that they can cash in on if you ever stop paying. Additionally, they
securitize the account in order to trade it on the open market and make even more profit.
On top of that, they derivatize the account and trade it on the derivatives market.
And additionally, once you, if you ever stop paying or you begin to pay an equity as opposed
to FRMs, then they'll take it as a tax write-off. And so, they have been paid so many
times over, I mean, thousands of times over what they actually lent you. It's not like they went
into their vault and, you know, took a stack of cash and put it in your box or moved some gold over.
No, they just, in conjunction with the local Federal Reserve branch of that area,
they create the asset and the liability on their books at the very same time just by
bookkeeping entry under the, under this Fed system. And so, they actually create the money
out of thin air. And this is discussed in the infamous 1969 credit river decision out of Minnesota.
There was a Justice of the Peace overseeing a case where a man came in and he had defaulted
on his mortgage. He was trying to argue the bank never lent him any money in the first place.
They just created the asset and liability on their books at the same time by bookkeeping
entry. And the Justice of the Peace actually sided with them. We're in a whole opinion
about how it was true and then wound up dead six months later. So.
Right. And also, that was overturned in a higher court.
But not based on the merits of the judge's opinion. It was overturned for a procedural reason.
Yes, of course, because, you know, they can't let that stay on the books. But it's, you know,
you, you can see how this works by simply looking at the Federal Reserve Act where it
explains how this is. And I, in one of my court cases, actually, even before there was a court case,
I requested from the bank the accounting entry for the loan. And they actually showed the
liability and the credit appearing simultaneously in, you know, just their general, like,
account for that. So like, nothing was moved, right, from their assets into my account. It was just,
it was created as a double entry, you know, either when it was securitized or when it was
traded at the Federal Reserve window, as you pointed out. So in other words,
when you get a loan from a bank, they're not actually lending you anything. What they're
doing is they're, they are kind of like the transfer agent. They take your signature, which
provides the commercial energy to create the money, right? And this is how actually Federal
Reserve notes come into existence. And they give that document to the Federal Reserve,
which they're a member bank, and then the credits in the amount of that document are then
put in the bank's account.
It actually works to discharge the national debt in a way too, right? Like,
because it's more balancing than even paying an FRNs, which just creates more debt.
Sure. So when you, you're saying when you use the equity commercial process of the acceptance,
you're actually settling debt, correct? Yes. When you pay in bank notes,
well, a note is just evidence of a debt. I mean, you can look that up in blacks.
Paying a debt with the debt is obviously not discharging the debt. This is why the
national debt keeps increasing every minute of every day. Equity will actually reach
into both sides of the ledger, the private and the public side of the ledger and zero
out the entire thing, just adjust and set off both sides of the ledger so that
it's the only process whereby you actually decrease the national debt when you pay this way.
So even though it may seem on the surface that you're cheating someone,
they actually, you're not because they didn't actually provide anything but a service.
And by using the equity process, you're actually zeroing out that debt. So our national deficit
is being reduced rather than added to. Whereas if you pay with federal reserve notes,
that's just another debt instrument. So you're adding debt upon debt.
Correct. The whole idea of having to pay them back with notes is a fiction of law created to
obfuscate the performance side of things where it's your performance that actually generates
the claim that they have on any funds that they receive from the central bank that gives
them the ability to create the credit and the liability on their books in the first place.
So it is really the only real way that there is to pay anymore.
Absolutely. The only real way to pay. That's catchy. I think that overall what you're saying
is kind of like that if you employ equity in commercial matters, you're actually removing
yourself from being a slave, a wage slave, a debt slave. And now you're becoming a man or a
woman with the full autonomy, sovereignty, and power that God provided for you.
Correct. I mean, that's very true because in that role of voluntary surety, many people
feel victimized by it. Many people feel hemmed and by it. But you actually have an immense
amount of power. Even though we have seated the ability to create money to the banks,
our signatures are still the source of original issue for all commerce.
They can only do what they do because we keep giving them signatures on all of these promises,
these versatility notes, these credit card agreements. They're only able to do what they
do because of our promise performance as represented by our signature. And so when you
become the fool, we understand your power and your authority in that role,
you are able to kind of pull that thread that unravels the whole sweater and discharge any claim
against you, any charge against you, and just be left alone to enjoy your life and enjoy your
family and your land. We've kind of become the CEO of our lives, which is like we're making
decisions with our signature and not seeing it as like a personal attack that we have to fight
and feel victimized. We're just the CEO. We're going to sign off on that and sign off on that.
Correct. Okay, now it's done. It's paid. And the beauty of it is that there are many,
many people that have already gone before you. I mean, there are incredibly
severe criminal cases that have been discharged with these methods. It's the only process where
somebody in New York City can do the same process as a guy in the outback of Australia
and get the same results. From everything, from traffic matters all the way up to federal
criminal court, we have seen incredible miracles in equity and repeatable, replicable
miracles that anybody can experience in their lives if they just learn the material and apply it.
And we have so many students. We've got a forum, a telegram group, and the students are sharing
one questions about things that come up because it's very case specific if people are applying in
all kinds of different ways. And so they can help each other. But they're also sharing their
successes. And the successes are amazing. They're just, and they keep coming and they keep coming.
And so that we truly believe that this is going to be a shift in thinking, just like with
what you're doing, Andy, with the information that you're putting out there on social
media and different platforms and everything about what the real truth is about our health and our human
bodies and taking charge of our own health. Well, this is taking charge of your own
finances and law in the same way. We don't want to go hire a doctor or hire a lawyer or hire
a guru. You want to be able to do it yourself. And that's what we're empowering people to do.
Well, that's awesome. And of course, I always say be your own health authority and we could say
be your own law authority as well. And, you know, I keep thinking that in the coming
surveillance state that if we want to play in that system and be subject to the penalties that
this will be the remedy that we'll have to, you know, maintain our ability to be somewhat
free in that system. And I feel that it's one of the most important bodies of knowledge for people
to acquire to be prepared for the future. And in fact, collectively, I think that we can have
quite a lot of influence. Like, for example, let's say that, you know, banks just start
realizing this because every one of their borrowers uses equity to settle their loan
they would want to attract as many borrowers as possible because they're becoming enriched
by it. But they're not able to now make, you know, five times the value of the note. They can only
make the value of the note. So they'll need to have more notes. And that'll open up more
opportunities for abundance to people. And instead, and it will help distribute the
wealth more evenly over time, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's an excellent way of putting it,
for sure. I mean, you know, right now, those that run the banks are more interested in control
than, you know, our ability to generate revenue for them. But the more people that understand
this, they're not going to have a choice. You know, once we begin to understand their
laws and operate in them, there's going to be a sea change. And they're going to
be forced to work with us instead of trying to lord it over us. It's, you know,
just as equity created an incredible shift in consciousness 700 years ago when it first came
about. And it has the real ability to overturn the modern financial system into something
that actually works for the people instead of against them. And, you know, speaking of
the coming changes to, you know, central bank currencies and increased surveillance and all
this. I mean, we all have a lot of commercial and public exposure out there. So we could all
stand to benefit from, you know, learning how to move privately, how to discharge, you know,
any tax claims and court claims that are brought against us, get our name off of things, you
know, operate through trust systems. We have a whole other class, separate from the equity
class about how to operate in private trust systems and PMAs and private ministries and
even, you know, incorporating corporations into that system of need be if you're in a heavily
regulated industry, but teaching people how to be able to operate in commerce, but still be able
to live separately in the private, you know, extract the profits down into the private where
they can be protected without it ever having to touch your name. And, you know, we have
adapted that to all Western countries. So combined, it just makes an incredible platform
and foundation whereby you can be completely untouchable, settle all of your claims and charges
against you, you know, operate in commerce, provide for your family and be completely protected.
Right. And, you know, I have some experience operating a business that way. And, you know,
one of the things is because I operated a business, you know, in the full system, you know,
paying all the taxes, following all the regulatory contracts, etc. And everything is so stacked
against you as a small business owner, as an entrepreneur, because the monopolistic, large,
multinational corporations have essentially in conjunction with the government created
regulatory environments that essentially are monopolistic practices that makes the barrier
of entry for competition too high. But when you employ, you know, equity and these private
trust and other structures, now it levels the playing field. You can actually compete. You're
not, you know, paying half of your profit in taxes. You're not dealing with sales tax. You're
paying regulatory fees and being subject to inspections and fines. Now, it doesn't absolve you
from being responsible and doing the right thing. Right. I ensure the quality of my products and
services independently, you know, probably to higher standards and for the purpose of, you know,
safety and value, not for the purpose of driving out competition and protecting
people's business interests. Right. So this is the application of this knowledge. And I want to
give you a chance to, you know, give a little description because you have these two courses
available at standingontherock.com and we'll put the link below in the show notes. But can you
give us a little bit of description of how the courses run and what benefits people receive?
Sure. So the equity course runs for 13 weeks. We meet on Wednesdays at 6 p.m. Eastern.
All the training is recorded. So all the students have ongoing access to the recordings of the
classes and all students have the ability to attend all future classes. So once you're in,
you're in for a life. You can join all the live classes. You become a part of a thriving
community with hundreds of people in it that are all in various stages of bringing equity
to their lives and sharing wins and helping each other with strategy. And the course for
the trust system class runs for 12 weeks. It's a trust system that's entirely built upon equity
jurisprudence. It's a private trust system. We have basically dived into 700 years' worth of
case precedents and extracted every last power that we can use to help you run a trust system
according to the very best practices, even in the worst case scenarios, even if the tax
agency is breathing down your neck and you only got a week to act, we can even help somebody
in that situation. It doesn't absolve you of the duty to pay tags, but we teach you a better
way to pay. We don't pay with the banknotes. We pay with another way that they honor
our signatures on a very particular type of nutritional instrument. And we take you through
the primary source material, not just secondary sources like blacks and Burton's and Levine's
and Blum's contracts and all these things, but actually diving into the primary source
material no matter what country you come from in order to prove out how and why this process
works down to a fundamental level and how even tax agencies can take these negotiable
instruments and actually have a financial pipeline for processing them. We've
proven all of this out in the primary source material. And so when you combine these two classes,
it is absolutely the best remedy out there for remaining private and protected. The equity
class gives you everything you need to discharge any debt or any claim brought against you.
And the trust system class will help you if you have a little bit more commercial exposure,
you're going to need some extra asset protection while you're going about bringing
that discharge process and equity. If you have a small business or you own lots of properties,
or if you even just want to be as protected as you possibly can be, then you're going to
want the trust system class as well. But there are plenty of students that just use the equity
class to discharge things. And there's a whole range of use cases for both.
I think too, also the classes offer in the equity class, there's actually both classes
we offer ample time for Q&A, people to bring their specific situations and ask questions.
In the trust class, we actually take volunteers and their situation, whatever business or small
business and their family situation, and we just diagram the whole trust for them.
This very, very valuable because we use a layered system of trust that we feel that's
the best thing and it's a very creative use of trust. So all that is of great value. And then
the telegram groups, there's new groups and then the alumni groups where questions are answered
and we have a team also helping us with answering those questions. So it's very active.
We don't just turn over some trust documents. People actually teach you how to write your own
trust documents and how to operate in them day to day. So it makes a huge difference in people's
lives. It's something that can really take forward and pass down to the next generation.
And you can find all of this at standingontherock.com.
Well, I have to vouch that you guys really do stay around for hours to answer questions and
people will keep asking questions for hours. At some point, we have to cut it off, but
you really do go the extra mile. And one thing you didn't mention that I think is very
important is that you do extensive work practicing court scripts and scenarios. And you guys are
like masters at putting on the different judge hats, especially Margaret.
But right, like you come out and it really is key because it's very intimidating to be in a
courtroom with the judge sitting on an elevated platform with the black robes and everything.
You've got an armed guard in there and there's a certain amount of decorum that is mandated.
So having gone through the process in a mock form really helps you just feel confident to
say what you need to say in the courtroom because you have to be prepared to interrupt the judge,
which is kind of a scary thing to do. And they may not like it.
Yeah, we have hundreds of experiences from all the hearings that we've attended personally,
that our students have attended. And we know just about every type of personality a judge
can have out there. So we can wear a number of different hats. And we really grill the students
on this stuff, you know, make sure that they are building confidence in these role play scenarios
where we kind of just mock out a whole court trial or a whole hearing. It's a big part of
the class. It's one of the things that really sets our class apart. We do an excellent,
really deep dive on getting the students prepared to speak in court. It's a really
scary thing for a lot of people. But we've taken a lot of people that have a fear of public
speaking, don't want to have anything to do with talking to authority, and we can turn a mouse
into a lion. You know, we raise them up to be just incredibly powerful and forceful in the
court of law without ever having to argue and fight. So this is really what makes the difference
is we're there to show honor to the court. You know, sometimes they're disrespectful and
they're dishonorable, but we have a way of pushing back on that and redirecting the
conversation back to our goals. And the students wound up being quite witty, quite able to think
on their feet. And, you know, they're just prepared for anything that a judge could possibly throw
with them. In addition to what we offer in the classes, we also do private coaching. So if a
person has, you know, a very in-depth matter and needs a little extra, we can do that as
well. And then also in the Telegram group, there's a section for the students, just them meeting
together and practicing the court scripts too. And sometimes we will sit on those, but sometimes
it's just the students just getting together and practicing. So we just provide a lot of
opportunity for that to take place. Well, it's really fantastic what you guys are doing.
I just want to thank you so much for coming on here and answering all these questions and
really giving us a great introduction. And I hope people out there go and find out more
about their course. Remember, the link is provided below. And, you know, this is where I go
to learn, practice, and get guidance and highly recommend it. I'll see everyone next time
on The True Health Report. Thank you so much, Andy.
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