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That's in the background. Well, welcome to another episode of what the hell is happening
Always a great time to talk about what the hell is going on with all the chaos in the world today
Oh, you know what? I actually I forgot we have our new intro
I wanted to play this clip right at the gate since this is something interestingly with what we start
We ended up last time saying something very interesting that I'm sure many of you already thinking about since Charlie's done a couple interviews in the
fact but here's how we ended last last women's this end of
January right I believe here's the end of the interview
Good to see you Ryan. I'll check in. Well, I'll have I'll have plenty to report back after. Yeah
I'm sure hopefully there's no weird events like last time weather events or whatever else
I hope you know stay safe out there. I always like to throw it throw a little curve bar away
But we're resourceful. We always find a way to figure it out
Right, Charlie, how are you?
Oh
Well in this case to be fair
This wasn't necessarily directed at the people of an archipelago
So and it was happening elsewhere and it happened a couple days after the event actually it happened on the Sunday
Following the event ending on Friday. I say event ending
There were events going on Saturday and Sunday at the convention center as well
But they were it was dollar vigilante related. So so I I yeah, I I had a
You know, I had a fantastic week
Leading up to that and I I got in and out without any sort of problems. I left on the Saturday before
just because I was scheduled to and
everything kicked off the day after but
in terms of the
the pyrotechnics
that that happened
You know, it was it was funny because we had some of the greatest investigative journalists around in the area
So as soon as it kicked off on Sunday morning
Patrick Henningson from 21st century wire is there Josh Sigurdson from World Alternative Media lives there
He's just came out of his house and it was going on Dan Dix from press for truth. They were down there
So they just grabbed their gear and went out in different
directions and
Filmed what was happening and what was happening
was actually a bit of
of a show
Really it ultimately that's what it was now scary and and I'm not trying to be dismissive of anybody who was
Caught in that but what?
Didn't happen was
The them pulling people off the bus lining them up and shooting them all that didn't happen
And what didn't happen with cab drivers getting dragged out and shot and you know in the cat
What did happen was the cabs were lit on fire
The buses were pulled over the people were taken off put up, you know outside and then the bus were lit on fire the oxo
Convenience stores the equivalent of like a 7-eleven in Mexico. They were lit on fire
But they all all three of those components have relationships with the cartel
They they they operate as buses and taxis and convenience stores at the behest of or with the express written
Approval of the cartels and Major League Baseball
They're allowed to operate and if you if the cartels decide that they have
It's time to do a little show of force
Then maybe your convenience stores and your cabs and your buses get burned down
But that's the cost of doing business but but what didn't happen was they didn't destroy the tourism industry by going into the
Hotels and taking people out in the lobbies and and doing all the things that they could have done so in in some respects
it was a bit of a
terrorism theater
Which is good. I'm glad I as opposed to it being the real thing
And but but when it when it's happening, you know, you don't know
You don't know how long it's gonna go and the rumors where they're going to the hotels
They're gonna start doing that so so it was an interesting time to be
paying attention to
You know that sort of street theater. I wasn't there. I'm glad I wasn't there and not that I want to be there for it
But you know, I knew it two dozen people who were still there
Having to deal with that sort of situation and and the chaos that comes with it
So I guess it's a reminder to everybody, you know, everything's normal until it's not
And in when the when the normality ends and you are thrust in the chaos
You have to become an expert on your situation
Immediately and that is tough to do especially if you're in a foreign foreign land, but I think it was probably
ultimately
Maybe a good thing for anybody who sort of experienced that it's it's it's a dress rehearsal
For what can happen when when the lights go off or the power goes off or or chaos sparks because it doesn't take
Too long for people to go from normal to looting if they think that they're going to be out of food in a couple of days
They'll make some decisions that they wouldn't normally do so it's it's it's just another
reminder about how fragile things can be and how how how normal is
Always kind of an air quotes and that that is subject to change
Pretty much on a moment's notice and you know those out there that would be driven to blue loot
First of all, you know it people in positions like that if desperate anybody
I think I get to that position
But it shows you an early position like that or the time, you know that that's somebody who wasn't prepared
That's a lesson for this right like you wouldn't need to be rushing out to loot for things
You might need if not because of what's coming tomorrow what they said might happen
But just because you're always prepared because you have water and resources and things you have
You know, like the important thing to think about but when you say about theater
How and what to what end and what do you how do you read this whole thing?
So I would like what in your mind what actually went down and compare it in comparing to both the mainstream alternative and mainstream coverage
Of what they claimed happened, you know, what's your insight on that and how you see it going down?
And if it was theater, you know to what end by whom, you know, how do you see that?
So if you're the cartel and your guy gets whacked
You have to retaliate
But you have to be careful on how that retaliation
is framed because if you
There's ways in which you can let the world know that you're angry and that you're not gonna stand for this
Which is I think what they did
And then there's other ways in which you can burn your bridge after you've crossed it and and and take the you know
And and really sort of fight if the cartels wanted to fight with the Mexican government and make things untenable for the government
They would destroy the tourism industry and they could have done that that day
That that would have been your six and a half million people that come through just Puerto Vallarta every year
So even if it was just limited to Puerto Vallarta, which it wasn't it was happening elsewhere
But that would be enough to throw in, you know, just an economic catastrophe
So we've got that going on and so when I say theater, I mean if the cartel doesn't respond
That's a sign of weakness on their part, right?
So they do have to respond in a way that the cartel recognizes violence fires
Explosions and by it to be fair the cars exploding. They're exploding because their tires are blowing out
Right, it's not like they were rigged with C4 and they were you know, they were lit on fire
They were made to to catch on fire, but they weren't rigged with like
Detonators and you know things like that the point being that they're doing this to to demonstrate a response
But knowing that they don't want to do it to where it will cause some kind of larger spin out
But sort of just like, you know pushing back slightly
So you got it. Do you think that that is so you so you see it as genuinely that the
Shining bomb that you know the president of Mexico took this action unilaterally because of whatever reasoning was and the cartel just responded
You don't see any influence. Don't know if it was unilateral
I don't know if they're like how do you see this playing in the larger sphere because a lot of the conversation and this is not
For those that are new to this conversation
This is not some kind of let's just find a way to tie in the elements
You know like Israel the United States. There's a wildly clear documented track record of the u.s.
And Israel training cartel members as I know you're going back to I mean even before but you know the most notorious in regard to
It's slipped my mind all of a sudden they made Netflix documentaries about him
The cartel the preview chocolate no, no
God is so crazy to me famous the Netflix did a whole thing about him. It doesn't matter
I'm sure everyone knows I'm talking about that one of the most famous a Sinaloa cartel. I believe and the one and
What's his name? Not chocolate the one that was before that but anyway, um, I
Swear it's so crazy that somebody in the chat will probably say it. My point is that there's documented
You know reports or interviews or you know where they're training
I mean even Israeli media caught that reported on Israel getting caught doing that and so the conversation becomes is this
About some kind of a different
Like right now
I think a lot of people are beginning to recognize that there's a different way the world actually works
That's a lesson global thing right and that's to this local point about whether or not there's involvement with the cartels
Like the DEA getting caught in 2025 literally helping them
Launder their money about whether this was something that was shine and bomb like maybe
Stopping that and this was a response to try to push back on some kind of affecting and I'm this isn't even unique to you
As in Israel, but like a global network of control. Do you see anything that goes that direction or how else do you see that?
That's kind of what I was getting at like the yeah, my my my mind immediately went to Eric Holder and fast in the furious Pablo Escobar
Thank you. I can't believe I didn't hear his name. Yeah, so so
So immediately I started thinking a fast and furious right so so running guns into Mexico
So again, it's like oh the cartels are setting off these bombs. They're committing violence
It's like yeah with the weapons that we sent them. Okay, and then I started to think well
Also, Israel is sending weapons as well and they're doing training. So what is that?
What's that so so what it isn't I think what it isn't is it isn't the government versus the cartel?
I don't think it's right. That's right. That's the government
Government in the cartel have a mutually parasitic relationship, right?
They need each other or maybe that government doesn't need the cartel
But the cartel is there and they have to deal with it
they can that and so I
Don't see them as
Maybe well, maybe they are sworn enemies, but I don't see that as preventing them from working with each other when they need to
So I'm always a bit suspicious about this. I I have maybe you maybe you can help me walk
work this out
Because we've got Claudia shine bomb
President of Mexico Jewish yet
Her policy seemed to be very supportive of Palestinians, which has thrown me for a loop. I don't know what to make of that
I'm a point about whether it's you know, it's not just being Jewish is not necessarily the tie
It's the Zionist element of the Jewish or Christian side of it
So I think that that's you know, I but I go it's all right. I mean to cut you off
We should go into go ahead my assumption is she wouldn't be she wouldn't be the president of Mexico
If she was just Jewish she'd have to be Jewish and Zionist to me. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong
But I did to me what that's a that's the important factor to get into because I do think that that's whether Jewish or Zionist
Independently or you know just Jewish or just sign that there's there's there's our elements of manipulation from the outside
Yeah, I think that does matter like that's the that's the people out there that wanted to argue that the Zionist discussion or Israel is
Devoid of a Jewish element are lying as well, right? So I think it's always important to highlight that but keep please continue your point
Yeah, so I'm I'm
you know, I wondered about this since it didn't break off into a
continued escalation of violence
that it that it felt kind of like pro-wrestling and
And look you can get hurt for real when you're fake wrestling
So it's it's not to be it's not it's not that oh all of this is fake
No, it's it's real, but it's controlled controlled aggression. It's controlled bombs, you know
It's we're gonna and we see this a lot in war too like oh they launched a drone strike against
Iran and then Ron has to retaliate they have to retaliate
But maybe they retaliate by saying we're gonna send a missile tomorrow at 2 o'clock p.m
It hit this place right here. Make sure everybody's not don't know that's what happened last time
Like I feel like there was inscribed reports that that's ultimately what happened
But then Israel just took advantage of it at the after the agreed kind of back and forth. That's what it looks like
What a surprise so so yeah, I am always
Looking for whatever is under the surface right the the the
The obvious is the cartels versus the government, but we know that there's more than that. So I guess I'm wondering I
Guess I'm wondering how this plays into
Israel's pretty I don't know if they've come out and publicly stated this but but for those of us who have been paying attention
There has been a pivot to South America
By the Israelis there they're there, you know, we're starting to hear about Patagonia and we're obviously with Argentina and Malay and
And Venezuela gets gets Maduro removed and then they normalize relationships with
With Israel immediately and start selling their oil to Israel immediately and so you say okay, so Israel is definitely looking like
Operation Condor to I don't know they've got there's their eyes set on South America and and I would say Central America as well
so so is this just the beginning of
sort of the
Pax Judaica in the Western Hemisphere
Well, I think that's exactly what I think we have to always remember is it's not one or the other
I mean we can I think we should and and have in the past discussed which one might be more guiding the other between the
US and Israel that's an important conversation because who's to say I think I have my opinion
But I think you know both of these agendas are the same today, right?
So it's clear that the US has had this Monroe doctrine sort of our hemisphere perspective for a really long time, right?
And clearly that's kind of ebbed and flowed. I mean, I think it's never really stopped, but the narratives have changed today
That's just gone. Hey, like it's just it's crazy how on the I think it's I think what Israel's driving through this administration
Is to make all of this happen in like I think Netanyahu personally feels that his window is closing and when he can effectively
Make all this happen and so Iran's his wet dream of Iran is literally taking place
And I think he his calculus is well
We have to bring Lebanon immediately involved because otherwise we might get this but then Lebanon will still be there
And I think Netanyahu feels that he might be losing power soon
And that's what Israel's saying and so I think all of this is sort of mashing this into one large agenda
I think it has to do with the AI direction the control grid
All right rare earth minerals from Venezuela lithium
I've got you know golden oil as well
I think that's what this is and so I think you're right though
But I think the Israel sort of focusing might just be that all of this is their
Common agenda at this point and I think or or you could argue that this was always what Israel wanted and they're driving the u.s
To do it right, but it's at this point
I just see it as one thing when conglomerate, you know, and I do that's why so I think you're right
But I just see it as like part of the larger ongoing agenda of mashing together their kind of religious Zionist
Prophetic agenda with this kind of AI control structure. It's kind of like all in one thing
I mean look they're building a Gaza freedom city
Technocratic control structure in Gaza which right there is your overlapping point, you know
Really quickly before I get past it just to make sure that it wasn't confusing before
The I couldn't remember Pablo Escobar's name and the point is that's the Medellin cartel different location
But the point is you can see them funding
All of these different cartels like you can see them funding the the Rwanda conversation
You can see them funding with in regard to the Bosnia genocide. It's not a secret
Just for case that was my point was just trying to remember all the different evidences showing that they're
Like literally on almost on the surface working to arm the very people that the government's outwardly saying is the bad guy
We're fighting the history like that is so ridiculous
And so that's what I'm wondering back to you that's kind of full circle to what you just said is if this was in some way
Maybe manufactured involvement with her to get some kind of outcome
But the way I felt that made sense when I first saw it because
Sean Sean and Bob have you seen as you as you pointed out has been pretty resistant
In a lot of ways health wise more than most like pushing back on the gmo corn discussion on a lot of their kind of
You know the bio overlap
But I I see things as well and maybe wonder whether there's more collaboration
So I wondered whether this was her just deciding to kind of just you know
Maybe cut off the head of the snake in regard to how they manipulate mexico if that's the way you read that
You know, I thought that was an interesting thought and we should be considering that
So, you know any thoughts on that and then like how do you see this?
Like do you feel like anything changed and you know
What else to add to this that you saw because you were there
You know at least that you were there during certain points
And then you've talked to a lot of people that were there as it was happening, you know
I yeah, I
I
Just keep wondering if you know, she ran the gauntlet and survived the 30 other politicians that got killed
It's not like you just lose the the race in mexico. It's like
They hang you from the bridge
so
I wonder, you know, I just wonder how much you how much power you really have once you get into that position
You know, you're constantly reminded that
You're one step away from them blowing up your motorcade or you know
Shooting you and you're grabbing your kids or whatever. I mean, so
There's two though
Like think about the americans imagine that self this country operates to and we just don't let ourselves see that like an epstein point or anything else, you know
Of course, I think that's a calculus that most people need to to
Use, you know to
Run through their internal filter when when they start seeing people
Saying and doing things that they don't normally say it's like well
Have you considered that maybe they've been pulled aside and threatened because
You know, you're gonna make a decision. Let's say you're gonna vote one way or another and you're a senator
You know you're
You may have to make a vote simply because you want to stay alive
You or your family wants to stay alive and you can be dismissive of that and you go oh you guys
This is big boy politics
This is the type of of games where people go missing all the time or their cars blow up or things that this is
They're not playing around so when it comes down to this. I think that people need to always remember
Now you may get into politics for all the right reasons and think you're gonna change things and go in there with a good heart
But like putin said, you know when they asked him can you
Work with donald trump again. He says i've worked with plenty of american presidents
They all have these grand ideas when they come into office
And then they get a visit in the white house from the men in black suits and then all those ideas go out the window
And and and of course I think when people hear that they go. Oh, yeah
Cia right no man. That's habad
That's the the habad guys in black suits that show up with their hats and then you they take all your all your good ideas
And they go that's nice. We're not doing any of those from now on you work work for us
and so I I think that people need to to
Remember that that's a thing. I mean and by the way putin saying that I don't I don't
I don't
Say that he's off the hook either because there's plenty of pictures with him with all those guys standing behind
his desk as well. So
I actually only point that out because I think if anyone would know it would be
hooten
To point out and I you can speak for yourself on this is I imagine we probably agree is that that's no way to give
Like a pass of accountability, right?
And this and I think it's important to think about because I I addressed this the other day when it came to like even trump
Like let's just say
It like right now interestingly flushing out and we can get into this when we get into ron
I want to do one more point about the cartel with bondy real quick
But the the the point of whether he was
tricked or or played by net and yahoo and I think that is the reality and it still does not I think trump is still clearly
Everything that makes them like what I think he is, you know as what he's shown you throughout this administration
I think is very clear whether or not
He was played into this thing with ron, you know
But the point is if ultimately net and yahoo did kind of play him using the threat of nukes and ron or whatever
You know it's the point with that would in some way remove us a level of accountability not entirely but
You know he felt pressured so that is some like it's not like he just woke up and goes
I'm going to kill a ron because I want to but it's still some level of accountability
But thinking about that in a larger sense if like say his family is being threatened or like rfk jr
And and israel the comments were always being threatened by israel. Okay, maybe first let's prove that
But does that then make him no longer responsible?
Does that make him no longer guilty like there's a level of that
My point is if we don't know for sure we just can't even consider that
Like if there's just no way you can involve that in the decision making we have to address
What's happening? Do we think this is wrong or right? Do we agree with why it's happening?
Whether he's being forced into it first again has to be proven
But whether or not how does that change our lives?
We have to always treat it as if regardless of whether they're blackmailed
We have to stand for what we know is right and then address those consequences
You know like if you were trump and that was happening you should have stood up and said israel's threatening to nuker on
And they're trying to force me to do it
You know, maybe that would have ended up with them doing exactly that but that threat is always still there
By not dressing it you let that threat continue to guide the world to control everything else
That doesn't seem like good math to me, you know
And by putting yourself in a position where you can get compromised you play it's your own fault too
Like hey bobby kennedy, you know
Israel's gonna whack me if they well
Maybe you shouldn't put yourself in a situation where you gave them the evidence that they needed to put you in that
In that spot. So again, there's there's responsibility on both ends
And you knew the job was dangerous when you took it if you decide to become a
United States senator god for the president of the united states
You have to understand if I know it you know it that you have put your entire family in danger by doing that
And now you have to play a game of not stepping on the mind on the minds in the minefield and hope that you don't
Blow yourself to smithereens
But again, do I have sympathy for those people zero
None I I don't care what Lindsey Graham did in the past to put him in this situation. He is a trader
right, so so again
That the the the israelis or the russians or the whoever they manipulated me into doing it
Okay, well, it's still you doing it
It's still your fault for being a you know being able to be manipulated
And and so yeah sure I get it that other people are exerting
Undue influence on you, but like let's not pretend that this is something that just started yesterday
This has been going on forever if you get into this world of politics
You're in it because you're in it for some personal reasons you're in it because it gives you
You know everything that you want money power ego fame fortune women kids whatever it is you're into
They'll give it to you but there's a price that comes with it
You don't get to you don't get to pick the songs that they play man
You just have to dance if you're if you're trump you got to get out there and you dance
But you do not get to pick the songs and and if and if he ever complains about not getting to pick the music
I have zero sympathy for him because again
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it and you you decide to get into these and you make decisions that impact people's lives
So if if you make the wrong decision and some bad guy whacks you oh well
I just don't have sympathy for these people
Well, and like the point you're making that's if we knew they were compromised
But see a word of point where we don't even know that for sure
So now they get whacked and now we won't even know for sure whether they were compromised or you know
It's like we just have to go at this with what we know we can prove and and what we know is right
I mean this go back to basics guys same point I make with constitutional rights and everything fire in a theater
We need to go hardcore back to basics
It's clear how these things are being used against us, you know
And I think I think that like I really do genuinely believe that that's how this works right now
And I think that's what's so confounding for this whole system is that it seems
A lot of people hopefully the majority are now starting to you know open their minds to that real possibility
I kind of framed that way yesterday where like I think we're at a point where you know with Trump, you know
Clumsily lying about what's going on in Iran like I forget the last one
It was whatever the lie was about you know first saying that it was wrong
No, no now with anybody could have the tomahawk, you know just lies that anybody can see you know
And it's like I just hope I mean
Iraq I you probably agree. I think it was this obvious then too
I just think that the situation has changed and now I'm hoping and this is what I believe
Is that more people care about the truth and they do about their team
And that's what that point comes back to about whether they're compromised it ultimately comes back to identity politics
It says you care more about the person the team than you do about whether or not the you know
The outcome what you're actually fighting for is is the end point. It's just crazy to me
Well, I wonder if recently it seems like there has been in in a way that I haven't seen since
Since forever. There's been a lot of trump people that are sort of
Has he's crossed a lot their line in the sand for some of them
And I'm glad
I'm glad I mean what took you so long
I suppose everybody's got a different line and and maybe if you if you voted for him and you you desperately wanted to believe it
Maybe maybe just you were willing to
allow him to
Lie on the campaign trail about a million things. I'm gonna make this great. I'm gonna make that terrible
I mean whatever
But all I need you to do is keep one promise man. Do not
Start another war. We can't afford it. We don't need it
Morally socially economically. It's bad. It's it's just bad all the way around whatever you do
You give Israel money because I know you're gonna do it anyway
You're gonna give them weapons because I know you're gonna do that
But we'll just don't start the war and then they do it
And their reasons for doing it are so nonsensical
And the information that they're giving us back from I don't know whether it's pete hexit or trump himself
You know, we're winning bigly. It's the most biggest winnest winningest winning war ever and you just go
Are these words coming out of your mouth?
You sound like you're six and you're just making it up and it feels
So cartoonish at a time when you need serious people in the room to prevent world war three from really kicking out
And you get a guy that's that that comes in front of a microphone and says we've destroyed everything in Iran that's worth destroying
I mean
What a what a blatant lie like I almost
I almost hope that they prove him wrong after a statement like that, you know, but I don't seriously
I don't wish that and I don't wish I know what that means and so I'm trying to be like a decent human being and not
want, you know
That
But it's just so frustrated
I hope the people that are jumping off the trump bandwagon in droves wake up and realize that this doesn't mean that you
Have to support the blue team. You don't understand that you don't have to pick either side here. There's a third option
There's many options
but but for those who are are frustrated with trump like
I mean, I guess what?
Welcome to the party
But to your point for you too far away from it
They're like what even if a statement like especially if it's accurate like if he if they just said which even trump's truth post said
That we will now bomb, you know, the easy targets because they're not responding or whatever he made the the point was
Everybody was like that's a that's that's intent to genocide right there
You just made it explicitly clear or war crimes at the very least that you're going to target things that are not military targets
That's undeniably clear. We already know what's happened. So if Hague Seth comes up and says work, you know
Bombed everything that's not, you know, whatever a statement was like there's no way you don't take that as
whether like, okay
Either a crime of how far over the top it is with all the things that we know they're bombing you can prove schools
It's like every other time hospitals
But that ultimately that doesn't even remotely align with how this thing started like 30 seconds ago
Obviously even before that no war at all
But now we're going okay limited strikes just to get them to the table
Oh, just to make sure that we can decapitate the leader. Well, this is all happened
And so what is what are we why is it continuing?
Bombing more places because israel's the one driving this and trump doesn't seem to under
I mean, I'm wondering whether he's always been involved with that which is where I've been so far
Well, right now with what's happening that he is now genuinely starting to recognize that he is being played by his own team
You know, I think that's very important to think about because I mean the recent reports are whether now he's going
Oh, well, which is so embarrassing
Kushner and wickoff told me this what kind of fucking I shouldn't cuss. I'm sorry. Like I'm an a wake up
What kind of leader makes that kind of statement you throw your under like that's just that is the weakest statement in the room
Sorry, I'm ranting now, but it's a weak statement, but good. I'm glad he threw those two guys under the bus
They deserve to have the bus drive right over them. I think jared kushner is a bad guy. I think he may be
You know
He may have some I mean he may be trump's handler and some weird sort of way
Imagine that imagine being
Your father-in-law's handler
Howling for Thanksgiving would be weird
but uh
But this is
you know
Do we do we
Take pete hegseth away in handcuffs and and drag him to the hag and make him answer
I mean, so if you've bombed everything
Worth bombing then the bombing's done, right? Exactly, right? And now the next thing that's not worth bombing by your logic
So so okay, so now we're bombing things that aren't worth bombing which as you said is a war crime
So we could we can lock people up for that
But I don't think they understand the perception of this from
The general pub. I mean outside of america obviously nobody's
I have a hard time with this though because I look I think hegseth and almost everyone he's got around him are like
I'm surprised they can tie their shoes in the morning without with with a way that they put this stuff forward
Doesn't mean they're you know, there's people that could have been more tactful about this just as
Malicious and evil but would have presented. Well, you know, so I'm wondering if that's the case both because they're there
Which I think is insane the first place with anybody else around all the other people can see that they're people at the top
Are ridiculous their own people that either that's you know them being there
The ongoing statements driving away from even what trump just said
How do we not see that as either trump has always been on a different non-america first agenda?
Which is possible or that like I said, we're literally watching them
Got like have control over this and and it's like hegseth is a religious Zionist
It's very clear he said this out loud, right?
So and and trump has made it clear now that a lot of these things that are happening
Like you can go back to his first administration
He gave the military the authority to carry out orders without him like the the higher us remember that with the
Largest non-nuclear bomb that became very clear. So now we have this disconnect between trump
And then the leadership. So if that's hegseth
Doesn't alarm anybody that he may be taking directions from something other than trump, you know
This is demonstrating the agenda for it's actually being driven from and you like if you want to argue with some other country
Show me the evidence. I'm all for I'm all for acknowledging that
I just want americans to see that this is happening like it's a pretty obvious reality
That this is not being driven by what we think you know what I mean
Yeah, and we're starting to move into the realm of fantasy world as opposed to actual targets, right there
So at first it's like we've got to get their nuclear facilities because of you know the reasons and now it's like
Trump was chosen by god
And we're on a holy mission and it's like, okay
Well, then then now now we're in a really weird spot because what are you gonna do?
Am I gonna sit you down at the negotiating table and say what does god want for i mean
What is your god want in this discussion? You know what I mean? It's like now we're we're not even dealing with
Human to human negotiations now you've dragged in the eternal spirit into this who's also
Apparently a real estate
land
specialist who you know on
Contract law over 2,000 years of whose land is whose and and you start to get into this this world
Like my god is better than your god and and it's like okay
This is it's all it's one thing if we're having this discussion in some debate somewhere
But it's quite another thing what we have
Carrier groups in the persian golf we have we have people in the red sea
We have we have troops all over the place that need somebody that I mean
Rumsfeld would roll over in his grave if he saw pete hexeth right now
I mean the the the weak the weird
weak
Cartoonish leadership of him. I mean I swear to god. I think they picked the people for his cabinet
Based on the way they look like they look like television parts
I this is that too. I think it's a lot of performance here
What I mean is that they were chosen because they're weak because they're incompetent because they and and even worse
Allowed to be to think that they're at the top of their game like a cash patelle
Like I they seem to exude this like self-confidence that's wildly unjustified and then their actions
The belied the lie that I think that's my point like that. This is like the end
Look, here's the important thing. I think it won't be to think about with the overlap of israel's agenda
Their religious belief from a zionist perspective is whatever you want to call religious probably the wrong word with the understanding of where it starts from
But that is the at the west collapsing is one is
One of the major parts that brings on the end times and this is what people like that think and so zionist
Pegseth
Believes that this brings the you know that the west must collapse, you know
And so this this is they these are people in these positions of power
And so that might be something he's willfully driving with actions
But I wonder if it's that they've been placed here because this country is now bringing
It's I mean look at how clearly we are on the decline as the government as their actions what they do in the world
I feel like that's being engineered
Like genuinely engineered to where we are collapsing in front of the world for that output or you know
Maybe with israel's perspective to drive war to the united states to create that kind of situation
I just want to reiterate. This is not some hypothetical
This is then the gavir smotrich even netanyahu is a loot
I mean the amulet conversation like they genuinely believe this reality
And I think we have to realize that that's not some tangential side thing
They believe that needs to happen and they're guiding us right now through this administration. That's just terrifying, you know
Yeah, and it reminds me of what chomsky was saying when he was arguing with this reporter
The reporter was saying what do you say? I don't believe the things that I say and he said no
If you believe something different, you wouldn't be in the seat that you're in
Pegseth like do I think that he's being manipulated by israel? Yes, but
I don't know how much manipulation they need to do because I think he genuinely believes this stuff
And again, he wouldn't be in the position that he's in if he didn't believe it because he he he fulfills a couple
Ticks on the checkbox
he's
He's controlled by israel you got to have that he looks the part and he's kind of stupid
So you can blame him. So you put these incompetent people in there the pam bandies caspital's
Hexits of the world who look kind of the part, right? Oh, well, maybe not caspital, but the other ones they looked the part
and
But they're kind of incompetent
And when it falls apart or when they make some dumb
dumb decision
Which is a decision that was being made for them from behind or the they were
Influenced to make then you can just say well, what did you expect when you got a guy like pete hexeth off fox news
Yes, exactly. We're really going to figure it out. I mean, he's a dummy
So I think that those I think that again, it's like you go through school
You get a degree you work your ass off and you go if I'm if I'm the best in my
Career in my field. They'll they'll promote me to the top and then like you see what happens in politics
It's like let's take the best. I don't want the best. We can't compromise them
We can't discard them later like that. No, let's take kind of the mediocre and let's elevate them
They'll think they won the lottery. They'll think exactly. I'm so smart. Look at me
And then their arrogance will get them into all sorts of trouble and then we can throw them away when we're done with them
And and or you you could have known or any of the rest fail upward
Promote you after you get exposed for being a criminal
Every time but you got to have to have a makeover
Right after everyone you're going to move up a level. You've got to get the extensions and the
You know the whole thing
Well before we go continue to I want to get into more of the wrong conversation
But this really does all interconnect in a lot of clear ways on the cartel point. There was another another
report that came out
And this this was the independent
This is just on the news break app that I'm showing it here
But the independent with the platform that reported it
Trump's AG
Pam Bondi is moved to heavily guarded military base after threats over abstin files from the cartels
Does that make sense to you just on the title already like when I read that I'm like, what did I misunderstand?
Wait, so you're telling me that so the cartels are matted bondy for the way that she's not released the appropriate information
That makes sense
It says attorney general Pam Bondi's reportedly been moved to secure housing on a washington dc area
Apparently like a month ago is what the reporting which is being discovered now
And which I guess I haven't seen it that much which seems to make sense
Militia militia base, which they're bombing these right now after she received threats from drug cartels
And those angry with her over well
Here's what's interesting and those angry with her over the handling handling of epstein
It goes on to essentially make the argument that it's cartels
But what's interesting to me is who would be mostly angry with them for not doing the right thing about the files
Pretty sure it's not mostly democrats
If anyone would want to be car bombing
Pam Bondi it would be the
citizens of the united states of america who are who would like for her to do her job
But what's interesting more so than anything is that right now they're manufacturing this kind of narrative about like
I do very much think as we discuss that there's more connections there than not and that they're
Create like I don't think that even makes sense on its face
But so let's just make a story where the cartels are matted bondy because we need you to think about cartel bad guys
Even though i'm not even suggesting they're not but clearly it's like anything else that's talking about proxies
I think we're dealing with and and then because the epstein files like why not just mash it all together
Like I just don't even understand this. I think I would argue. This is probably entirely made up
Just my gut. What do you think an intern who's pulling names? I was like pan bondy
Taliban
Crystal meth. I don't know we'll find it. We'll make a headline out of that somehow
It's very strange. It's well. This is the the mainstream corporate media trying trying to to
Harness your righteous anger, right? You're you're if you're angry about the hey, well, I'm angry about the
Epstein files too and it's like oh the cartels and I have something in common now. They're angry about it as well
Like the like the cartels care about the epstein file. I mean come on
Well, I don't even get how that connects like, you know reading through this
It really just gets into like a just like a broad idea like somehow because evil people are being exposed
Like that like oh, well, it must be that you know, it just didn't make sense like I haven't even seen
You know either way
What I think this comes back to as it says she isn't the only Trump administration official who's been moved to military bases
Like I think that they may be worried like this may just be because they think that they're because that they
Poked the bees nest unjustifiably that now that they may be assassinated, you know and legally speaking
I don't see like they have been doing this non-stop. So I think even like I don't how does that work in international law
So if I think a unilateral assassination is clearly illegal
but if if a government starts a war
And then that becomes you know, let's just say a
Well, because Kamini was you know, like assassinating the pope from our perspective like that wouldn't even be a military
So I don't think that's even a legal target
But is that legal then to assassinate the you know head of the other country after they've initiated war
Do you know if that that lines up? I'm not even sure
I think there's always been some kind of like a caveat for just you like executing the president or you know
The leader versus the I don't know any insight on that
I don't know from a legal standpoint. I it just seems like
Moral like from a
We're the producers of the play. We don't kill each other. We've let the actors kill each other. You know what I mean and that sort of thing I
Maybe maybe maybe when you're
Doing things as the American empire at the behest of israel
Maybe there are there's just no line in the sand anymore. Maybe there's no honor amongst thieves and you do
the head of of of I mean, maybe in
Maybe you don't normally do it
But you do it with komani because you know Iran and seven countries in five years and that's the big one
Maybe you don't do it
Well, actually you do it to the leader if you didn't bring in the covid vaccines in Africa, right?
How many of those guys got whacked?
That said no, we're not gonna we're fine. We don't
We don't need fizer and then the guide winds up, right? Yeah, so
I think that they're just worried. I think that you know clearly like that was just a curiosity point
But I think really I don't think any of these governments are I don't think any government in the world would truly be that worried about breaking international law
Should it be in their interest and they recognize a way out of it? I you know, that's my personal opinion
I think that's most governments if not all
But I think that they're just worried about that kind of blowing back on them and this overlaps with the I'm sure you saw the reports
It's interesting the timing on this sort of like trump and the the mines remind me to talk about that
Because it's just funny the way that they feel like they're setting us up with these narratives
But you got the arguments of you know, they are being like a signal that they caught
The Iran was activating sleeper cells, which I'm not certainly possible
But again, because it's like the boy who cries wolf this country is like, okay guys
Like they how many times have they told us aliens are real in the past like six years and we're like whatever, man
We'll just move on
yeah, that was uh
That was one of the things I had a tweet about that. Let me see if I can find it because
when when they they said
the
the story was
that
No, let me let me see if I can find it here. No good
What I find interesting about all this is the timing obviously, you know, but is it possible?
Of course it is and and from moran's perspective because we know that they're doing it to them that it would even make sense
You know, and it's illegal no matter how much you spend it
I mean, that's what's funny to me is that it is illegal based on any understanding of international law, you know to what our cia
They they're proudly, you know, like we've steal we cheat. We lie. We cheat. We steal Pompeo
It's just a fun this perspective
We have of ourselves or rather the government does of its own actions
But the report was that there were sleeper cells in iran and now there was a follow-up report
Basically saying that they were they've been activated essentially and then that's just kind of spun out in the mainstream alternative media with
Sean ryan in like the last discussion, you know, the the drones sniffing or the sniffing bomb drones and iran and the same that
It was all a bunch of hype and they got caught faking that email and the whole damn thing
You know, it doesn't mean it's not possible
But just recognize how often they try to lie us into these things. Go ahead
Well, this was the the tweet from abc news the u.s. Has intercepted encrypted communications
Believe to have originated in iran that may serve and I just said I laughed too
What we need to have is code for we made it up. Oh, that's right. I did see you tweet that
I think that probably is what said in my mind when I went through have you read the entire article?
It is cartoonish. It's like it, you know, we we believe we've discovered something that may have been this
And we and it could have taken place at this time and what might have about like literally like six different versions of
Extending this uh, basically the headline should have been something we're not sure about that
We don't know where and when but maybe like that's literally the whole story
My favorite that they didn't use in this article, but they they probably saved it for another one is
People close to the president's thinking said
Oh, okay, good
So random guys opinion about what trump may think right journalism
It's clear like as we know and hopefully people know by now
This is just so somebody in this in this whether again, manufacturing consent the editor whatever maybe just
Decided to do it themselves, but otherwise guided by something did you go?
Let's push out this narrative like the you see how this works the it's a threat to our democracy down every channel, right?
Here's the narrative and then they frame it their own slight variations
They know the window in which they can operate and it ends up being the same story. There's nothing to go on
I mean has anybody even really followed up other than people in the ima and independent media about like the halloween terror attack
Or I mean I just went over this again from alex jones predictions. What is is is letitia james in jail
How about james comey, you know and the point was every one of these things were designed to fail in my mind
I said the moment they came out when looking through the data. I was like this is going to fail
They set this up. There's nothing to go on or or the autopan discussion
You know it's we talked early on most bag. I think are starting to turn
But like think about today what the actions are taking they're lying about damn near everything, you know
Yeah, well in addition to mc in all five days of an orca puco
I also had a slot a speaking slot and and I used that
to speak about the
rise of the independent media about and and
more importantly I talked about
operation mockingbird and the influence of
The cia early on and how they take the narrative and you know, it'd be one thing
if the mainstream media
And well, sometimes they do it especially with war but for the most part if they took a story and just completely turned at 180
That's too much, you know, it's too obvious when you do that
And so I was kind of reminding the audience like the best propaganda is when you just knock it a little bit off
Of course, you know just enough and gradually over time that you get so far away from it that you there's no
Connection to the truth at all, but but that's the real
Key, I mean if you want to have proper. I'm not trying to teach these lunatics how to lie to us better
but I mean, you know, you you don't
Don't you don't make it so obvious that you're trying to throw people on to him onto another
Trail you just you just nudge. I mean the nudge unit in the uk is a prime example
They actually call it that it's like we just want to we don't want to totally turn you into somebody else
We just want
Move you are thinking just a little bit off of where it currently is
Right, you know and and think this is again to that same point
Look at what the current administration is doing like I swear
I've said this so many times more than I've seen in the past
I've said this in the past, but I've never seen it this much
These these guys lie about things that you don't even need to lie about
You know like in ways like why did you even like it who knows?
Maybe they're just so desperate or so, you know
But the point is they lie in ways that are like like you just said not
Mostly truth and a small like this blatant hardcore
Like challenging what even the people right around them would want to say, you know and the question is why
In competence, I think that's self-evident, but I do think it's more than that
You know like there's such big like my like the points we make although there are people around them
People that have been doing this their entire lives that know like that you shouldn't say that or not allowing do it
But they still do it Trump's out there still, you know, in some cases. I do think he's the one putting these things out
It's like there's in the past you see like speaking to handlers
They know people that are like no, you know, this is the right time
No, say it like this
But it seems like that's not as much there at the very least they're the ones driving them to do the things that
Like make Americans see this
Not I don't know why that would be the agenda
But again, I think it's more about kind of a you know, bringing this all down around its ankles
Both because of what I think the agenda is about like the west and the us discussion
But also because of the global conversation, you know about creating this massive shift
Of which the united states the current reality is sort of the guiding
You know guidepost on like the current direction, right? And that's always been shifting the bricks and everything
But I think what we're seeing is that massive transition into the new
You know, well the way I read it is that the trump that the people right now in control of that direction
Don't want to lose that control to some other
You know the trump wants to position himself as this like emperor king of like the new global order like globalism
You know, and so I think that's what comes back to like why a lot of this is happening
So let's talk about the administrative promos and and some of these other points
And and you know bring up anything by the way that you want to get into
There's just some of the things that I had lined up
And I think what's interesting is about the mind part and actually to bring it together
What I was just talking about with the propaganda
This is so weird how I keep seeing this so trump and I my mind this is somebody guiding this through him
I don't think he this is obvious the way it's happening trump comes up and goes, you know
There's no reason to say this. There's no indication. It's happening
But if they put minds in the straight of promos, then we are going to have an issue with that
And we're going to have to do something about it. And so he makes a clear point to say it's not happening
But if right
Not even 24 hours later
There's minds and reports of minds and which is certainly possible like this is a not a new conversation
Right it's happened before this is that they're they're controlled area. They threaten things like this
But why would he come out and say it's not happening?
But if it does and then right after all of a sudden there's reports makes you wonder whether they're even actually are minds at this point
You know, it's just like they did this and I'm wondering whether that's something that's somebody being fed trump
Like even in his inner circle, you know, put out a tweet saying this can't happen
And then they're the okay, it's nishi if you mind conversation
I just how I read that but either way now they're using this argument to say that they're mining this and we're going to
You know create this conflict in the zone when I don't even think it's effectively shut down
I think I think you can easily prove that it's just very restricted based on their threats
Like but now with the myths that the actual minds they can actually argue that they're legitimately shutting it down
So I'm wondering whether that's a ploy because I don't think Iran is in the interest right now to actually like
Legitimately shut it down. I think they're playing their game with the threats to slow down the interest
You know, but I think if they know if they're like literally blockaded the pathway that that would become something that everybody would use
To go after them, you know, just just my just my two cents you're reading the you know writing on the wall
So what do you think say? Well, I would look at what happened when the babel mandra straight, right?
Where
There were some ships that were allowed to pass through through there. We got no problem with you
You're good you going through but if you're an israeli flagship or somebody who's
American flagged or you're trying to pretend like you're not then we'll light you up and so
Whether it's mind or not doesn't even really matter at this point the you're you're a target
And if and for people who are unfamiliar with that kink in where the Strait of Hormuz is
Here I brought this up actually good. I'm glad you said that too
So if you guys don't remember I and this is such an important point
Here's what he's talking about. This is the babel mandra straight and this is largely why the yemen
I think the yemen
Invasion occupation is happening and then this is the Strait of Hormuz on the other side of the landmass keep going
Yeah, so you you're in these maritime choke points where you you force the traffic through a very tight little
Narrow pathway and as long as you're good as long as you have no political attention with anybody and you're you're then
Those stay open
And but you but I don't think that you need to physically mind them so much is just tell people
Certain ships are allowed to go through our gang territory and certain ships aren't and if you're flying your flag and our
In our through our turf our neighborhood
We're gonna we're gonna light you up and if you have a problem with that then you shouldn't have come through and in that
that I think they can
Then then they can negotiate
Country by country specific instead of closing it down to everybody
Why not leave it open say you haven't been a problem with us? You can go through you allow you boch rain
I'll put an american base there. You're not getting any of your stuff through
Sorry
In less in less in less maybe now we say
All of you gulf arab states that have have american bases will make you a deal
We'll allow you safe passage through here, but you got to close all those bases
You got to get everybody out or just not engage in the ongoing war like that
Don't bomb us anymore don't allow them to bomb us from your countries and we'll stop bombing you that of course
Trump very embarrassingly called a surrender which
No, but I mean everyone can see that's not what happened. So that that shows desperation to me
I don't know how else you frame that you know
But so this is what's important to me about this and I keep bringing this up is that you know exactly what you said
I think that is what I think this is the the calculus like they're they're thinking
We can't shut this down legitimately because everybody would have mad at us literally everybody including the the flirting with the oil price discussion and the world economy
You know and so what effectively threats which has which has happened will bomb the ships that go through or at the very least
That's what the us media frames as the way that they've said it and same thing saying that they're going to
You know basically threats of shutting it down and immediately you've got this entirely like all the western press all the mainstream alternative
Media the Australia removes has been shut and I said well hold on
You know I suppose like but I it's live map. It's clearly not shut
You know look at all the traffic which is way more traffic today than it was yesterday and on top of that
This is what I thought was interesting too, but it makes more sense when you look at the
Because on the other side of the the the water area. This is a us ship right here
USS Michael Murphy, but it's way over here on this side. So technically behind this gray line
That's the that's the Iranian, you know regional waters and it but it you know overlaps pretty clearly right there
But so my point though is that either way if it's not shut down
Then it's what you think or what you said I argue. I'll get this back to where it was hold on
Because that means that clearly it's about trying to allow it to continue
But while while only hurting the people who are effectively against them
Which makes sense is why they would want to frame this as them shutting it down for everybody
So it's always like this so which is back to the point
Why I want I starting to feel that it's more likely that they haven't put minds out there
But like you said either threatened it and didn't do it or ultimately that's just something they made up
Which is why trump said it weirdly and then the next like less than 24 hours later
There's reports from the us media claiming it's already happening just with my thought
And it's just as likely that they put minds out there because of what they drove them to do
But it's an interesting point right and I think this then carries over into the oil part of this conversation
But do you have any thoughts on just the the you know discussion of the the waterways and you know what that might do
They've got them
They also have to sort of be mindful of their relationship with the other BRICS nations and what's going on there
And and if you're if you're shutting off that whole thing, you're not just impacting
You know, I mean I get it. It's a war and it's unusual times, but but you have to be
mindful that there's
You have partners that will suffer from this as well
And so they may have a voice in in how this plays out
Of course, they understand what you're up against probably even support you
but need to
Be careful with this and in the trump messaging is
So disjointed that it makes it makes you wonder is he being erratic on purpose to to come across as as
as uh
Kind of buffoonish and
Is it a tactic?
So yeah, is it a tactic? I'm not I'm trying. I'm not I'm really trying to not go
12 dimensional chess here with and I have a hard time giving him credit for things, but what if it's a no
intentionally
Trying to be
Wishy washy or bad at this which would go against every component of his personality I admit
But but what if he just made a calculation like I can't stop the war, but what if I just played it really poorly
Well to one end though flesh it out. What would you what would you think that would be in it?
How would that better his stance?
I don't know. What if I was so bad at this that I got the israelis whacked
And then I got them off my back
You know what I mean
This is like q always narrative right no matter how it's going
It's all if you end up where it looks like he somehow hurt israel
I don't it was all played out to make that happen
You know, I mean that that's why that's kind of where I'm at too in a lot of ways back to the point about the threat
What I mean rubio came out and said it basically said the israel threatened a nuke aran
That's why he claimed it you know israel a rather trump had to react
You know that ultimately you can see this position where you know
I mean it makes sense
And like I said back to the earlier point about whether it's a level of like removing accountability
Yeah to a degree
But as you said it's still he's there for a reason
But I think this is kind of where we might be where trump is realizing
More than maybe he was aware that this is happening that egg said than rubio or whatever else
That's just a thought that I had but then that would change the way he would engage with this
And so to your point
Is it likely you're possible that he is sort of going?
Okay, like maybe I can drag this into a certain point to where that could better my stance and I can make it
Look like I stop this or whatever or you know turn
I I just don't see a world in which that ever happens where this administration turns on israel because you're complicit in far too many things
I even argue covet 19 in that very much connects
But just the the genocide how in the world you can get away from that whether you blame him or not
You're already trapped in that and I think they know that I think that's now part of the angle for the epstein
You know manipulation now they have them with their involvement in the genocide
You know and now now they're almost forcing them to openly commit the same tactics to lay cover for what they did the entire time
You know, but I think it's a valid point to consider whether trump may be changing his direction
And he's capable of that he showed himself to crafty like that
But it also shows he's lying to you and that's somehow okay in the moment because of the outcome
It's always a guess anyway, you know, but very valid point
Yeah, I really I really always kind of
In hesitant to go down that path of giving trump any sort of like
Credit for doing this but I do wonder if maybe he was on board or maybe he was slightly on board with everything
But as we get further and further down with the Gaza situation
We get into this and you know, he's outwardly showing support
But maybe you know, maybe there's a conversation that he heads up and rubio have of like
They're gonna kill us all they're gonna get us all like, you know what I mean like
Rubio's statement was about kind of like almost giving him that
like yeah, like
It felt a little bit like oops didn't mean to mention that
Right, you know that we we did that on but so I wonder
Helm I wonder what percentage the trumps hexeth and rubios of the world are willing
willing participants or hostages at this point
I don't know or like you said earlier sort of a middle ground of both where they wouldn't be in that position
If they didn't already believe in these things, but even they have their own ambition
Even they you know, like this is the point about trump and we both agree
I don't I don't see I see it would have to be some very very very tough situation for trump to decide
To make himself look stupid to make himself look a weak played one in the conversation
I don't I think I would even borderline argue. He's not capable of that
I know it goes against this entire personality to do something like that if it's like, uh, we're all gonna die
You know, maybe you could see a world that might happen
And so I think we're both talking about this as you should consider these points because either way
And this is where I'm hoping most americans are getting to what does it show you
Ever this is why I was so interested in that point because no matter how you read it
Trump is essentially now telling you israel's influencing this government right like to a degree. You can't ignore if ultimately the
excuse to get trump out of responsibility is well israel sort of pressured him
It's like, well, thank you fine
I'll even let him get out of the accountability in that moment to be able to make as long as everybody can acknowledge that israel is
Influencing if not manipulating if not controlling us policy
You know, it's weird how close and obvious we get to that point and we like the the mainstream major alternative
Just cannot allow that to be acknowledged. And I think we know why that is and it doesn't have to do solely with jewish people
If that's what you're thinking
Yeah
Wild how it isn't an interesting time
How I mean just october 7th forward. I mean the whole world has changed
Well, I made that point during my presentation as well when I put up a picture of the
It was a compilation headshots of all the major media
The high-ranking members of each of the five major media corporations with the blue jewish stars over all of their faces
It's like, you know, and I said in the presentation
If they were catholics, I'd say they were catholics if they were aztecs
I'd say they were aztecs
There's no aztecs on that list there, right? And so so at the bare minimum
We have the potential for a problem
Yeah, I mean and of course the even if your point taken well is that it's any one over representation of anything
It's worth considering that point
But I would add that remember the star of david is not a jewish symbol
That's a zionic symbol the the the menorah is the actual jewish symbol and and orthodox jews will tell you that
So it's just important to consider both of those angles, but you're right regardless
If it was all a bunch of you know, chinese nationals that would worry me if it was all a bunch of
You know, I mean anything religions nationality like the point is that we can see
Influence in every I mean and that's not even necessarily always nefarious, right?
Like you can talk about, you know, you have muslims in a certain area that you want to influence that
You know that make their area more like they like christians do the same thing
So to jews it's it or specifically nationalities
We know this happens
But we should be aware and able to call out any of them if it's something that is
Illegal something that is immoral something that we disagree with of course, you know
It's just weird how obviously one angle of that has been so weaponized to the point to where this is so interesting
One it started where you're not allowed to talk about it
But now and I think this is the scientist agenda
It's causing people who are otherwise good intention to actually make the connection to feel like
Oh, it turns out it is the jews doing all of this
You know what I mean? Like they've created that drive. That's why they do that
That's why I think that's so important to jump in there and always make that point because there's so many people
There's people that are honestly who you know have good intentions who have fallen for that
I see it every day and I of course like if you're wrong too, you know
Yeah, no, but if you allow them to convince you that all jews are bad
You're falling into their trap, right? You're you're you're walking into the trap where you say see
We're just persecuted for no good reason. It's like no you have to be
You have to be consistent in your criticism and you have to give credit when it's due and you have to be
Critical when it's due as well and it's it's just it's just I think people are starting to recognize the volt hair quote
When they they look around and they recognize that there's there's one group that you aren't actually allowed to criticize
Isn't that interesting and maybe maybe they do have some undue influence
And if they do then we should have the discussion about it, but since we're not allowed to
They tell us we're not allowed to we're having the discussion regardless, but
That is kind of a bigger problem way wait a second
So it's a problem that you're doing this
But now it's another problem that you were not allowed to talk about that you're doing this because that's now
Compound so can we are we not talking about if the muslims do it? Oh, no, that would be front page headline
So I see so so now it's inconsistent in how you know, so we can't talk about you guys doing it
But if you see coordination from this other ethnic group, well, yeah, you got to mention them
But just don't mention those who cannot be named so it's
The tide is turning and of course you and I are probably thinking the same thing
Uh, are we walking into a trap?
Because there's never been a time when you're allowed to talk about this stuff so freely and have these right
You know these criticisms of them and and and I wonder all right, so
Are they just using this as an opportunity to get us all out in the open on camera?
That's always a valid point if you made but I hear this point
Every time things like this happen remember when the cannabis was a huge like, you know, it's still weirdly kind of stalled
It's not even everything's so crazy
But you know, there was a momentum and all the most states are now legalizing and everyone everybody
Because this is where my kind of tealab really kind of rooted in starting was the cannabis law reform discussion
Was like, oh you guys are falling for it
They're just not they're just making a list of everybody who who what smokes cannabis
Going to round y'all up people were making that argument, you know, and it's I said then I guess possible
But you know one there's plenty of other ways, you know same point
So I argue it's worth considering that but to what end, you know what I mean like to what to what to
To censor us are doing that, you know to to round us up. Well that can happen regardless, you know
But consider it right consider whether that's there
But I would argue regardless we always and I said this during the self censorship rise in the independent media
I I I took censorship head-on
I would I allowed them to censor me because I was unwilling to
Self-censor I'm going to say the words what I mean, you know, I'm not going to say, you know, whatever the boob boob or whatever
You know, which I understand though like I get why that some people chose that round
And maybe they were the right maybe that was the right path
But I just I think it's important to err on that side on everywhere
That's my point about firing a theater. It's like whatever it is
We need to we need to draw that line as hard
You know in in the principle as opposed to letting the the even if it's logical drive us away from what we know
The principle is you know, and that's just everything everywhere
I see right now is doing that to everybody in this country
Drifting you away from believing in the constitution drifting away from believing in law from believing in what's moral, you know
Hit them while they're down, right? I don't want a fair fight. These are things we're hearing from our administration
You know, it's it's pretty sad
yeah, it's uh
Don't allow them to demoralize you as well, you know, there's there's a lot of this going on
I mean if they can get you to throw your hands up in the air and say I just give up
I submit I just tell me what to do you want me to take the shot
You want me to stand on the dot or go this direction down the just make it all stop
You know, that's they they're almost kind of counting on you
getting to a point where you
Where you give up and and we can't do that, of course that's uh, it's our duty and obligation to to
To remain strong in the in the face of this insanity and to um
Uh and to never compromise ourselves
I think the most devious form of censorship self-censorship
I agree because you can never measure that you can't quantify it and does something to you
When you know that you wanted to say something, but you didn't you held back
It then once you do it once you can do it again easier and again and again
And then the next thing you know, you're just not being honest with anybody about who you are or what you think and
And then what is the point?
You know, what's the point?
You're gonna just sit in your pod and suck your thumb and wait for the government to tell you when you can come out or be happy
I mean I just
These are very flawed human beings that are trying to tell us how to behave and how to act in this world
And I just I just have no respect for them. So I don't know why the rest of us just don't just stand up
And and tell him, you know, we're not going to take
Moral authority from the likes of the people in washington dc, which is not going to do it
Exactly. I mean and that's that's even coming out in mainstream for crying out loud
Which never means honest to me
It just means that it's that obvious that they have to somewhat address it
But you know the standing of the u.s. Govern in the world, you know, what right do you have?
I saw that in the pentagon briefing like where do you have to to speak to anybody about morality when
The girl school bombing or you know, whatever else it is they can deny all day the world is aware
You know, it's it doesn't go away anymore, and I'm glad to see that
I do think this is emblematic of you know, we're seeing change
Whether grudgingly or or a feigned or not it is happening
And I just think that's worth pointing out is that we have been censored and you know
Sidelined and suppressed and you know with now with ai and algorithms and financial attacks and lawsuits
And I mean all of us and yet we're still making this happen as all of independent media
It's like I say it all the time that's a win guys take it for what it is
And we fight's never going to be over probably never but that's definitely a win
Yeah, I'll I'll end with a couple of points
I saw here and we can you know kind of discuss on where we think this will go
But this was one of these all I can show them real quick just breaking breaking news stuff
This one was reported earlier that Iran like we were discussing Iran's military warned that any ships belonging to the u.s
Israel or their allies passing through the strait could be targeted. So you're right
I mean, it's explicit now just coming out of the gate and saying it there was reports now that a
Projectile hit a cargo ship. So here we go again, right? So is this
Bolton's limpet mines are we are they faking this again or did Iran find a reason to attack them?
I mean both are very possible, you know, but I think it's interesting after they after they stress the the the mine laying conversation
And they're now in in the area, right?
And I think lastly just I think it's interesting reports of Iran Iran's military says it will hit economic targets banks
Which by the way are crime that's a that's a war crime
It no matter who's doing it
Those are non military targets, right?
And then this one says Iran announces the facilities associated with major u.s technology companies
That's very relevant like Amazon Microsoft IBM Oracle Palantir may be targeted. That's their AI agenda
And it says Iran says they are switching from reciprocal hits to continuous strikes because you know
They're responding
Which is what they've been doing since they were attacked in the first place and now they're saying, you know what?
They're not stopping. They have no legal justification. So we're switching into full, you know
I don't think either one has declared war essentially, but this is now more than ever a direct back and forth
You know war but what I think to end with is interesting is, you know, all of this military targets, you know
Banks this none of this was happening before they initiated this and they started targeting civilian locations
They'll lie all day about what Iran willing to do. The evidence is not there look around the world
However, we have the evidence of what israel's doing what the u.s is always done
Hey Seth can yet again say we'll never target civilians
And you could bring up the hundred thousand articles of them getting caught targeting civilians
And then in some cases admitting it whether mistakes or targeted whatever
And so what I want to point out to end is that they've driven this year, right?
So whether banks get targeted or or, you know, Palantir, whatever it is the u.s
Government in Israel have literally driven this into a reality into reality with their
Unquestionably illegal actions. We didn't touch on it today, but
War powers act hasn't been met. It wasn't eminent trump stated himself
There's no congressional authority or approval and there's no authorization
So it's like no matter how you spend this this is a crime that's taking place
But no different than every other government administration in our past
So I just wanted your thoughts on where you think that's going to go, you know, do you think this is going to
You know, like like we said, maybe trump's seeing it
Does he try to pull back it's just going to stall out in some way
Or do you think this just literally goes where it seems it's going to go?
It's pretty it's pretty alarming, you know from whatever way you look at this
It's so funny that you'll find most of the americans cheering on the destruction of
AI data centers from microsoft and amazon and oracle and all that
It's like, oh, would you like us to tell you where they are?
We'll get you a map. We'll draw a map for you. So make sure, you know, you don't miss
This this is where we've become, you know, and trump has nobody to blame
He's a second day in he had larry ellison and sam altman standing there next to him pledging half a trillion dollars to give to those guys
I don't blame the iranians for thinking we need to target these tech centers as well
Because you would be right to and the banking the banks as well
I mean, look if if if the israelis are going to launch missiles or the americans
I don't know who did it and blow up 100 plus school children
Then I have no problem with tehran taking out a couple banks
Well, I mean I I get your point
But I think what I what I what I will continue to argue and I'll include the school are showing that as well
You know is that I I understand completely the justification in their mind for doing it, right?
And I argue I argue mark my words that I don't believe that they will bomb a school or a hospital
Why watch right now? It'll happen
But banks and technology those are still war crimes
Regardless and they would say the same when us is targeting theirs
So I hope that line doesn't get crossed because they could take a stance that would show that they're not
Falling that level, but if they do, you know, I do you think the u.s
I mean, look, I don't even ask the question
They're already doing it the u.s.
Israel do it every single time so it's justified in their mind
But I I hope that line doesn't get crossed because that that like that's what we talk about what we're doing every day in this field
Right like or whatever we discussed you fall to that level
You're the same thing regardless of how you got driven there
You are the same thing and I think that's an important lesson for all of this, you know
Don't lie because they do don't fall to that level integrity principles is important
But you know, I think that where it's where it may go
I mean that may be where they feel like they have to go and again
That will be the responsibility of the people who started this illegally. That's my question is yes
You're right that
In order to do the things
That the Israelis and the Americans do you would be lowering yourself to their level
but
Maybe Iran has made a calculation that this is the only way those people will respond. Maybe is that we have to like
We can't negotiate with them you you want to you you want to get their attention
Do the things to them that they do to you maybe not
Schools because I agree with you they're that's not their style
And I don't think that America that the American or Israelis would care if you bomb their schools as much as if you bomb their
AI centers probably yeah, and so exactly that's actually an excellent point
Right, so that's the that's the chosen line to cross because of how much that's clearly important to them
Or even just the threat may actually change action, right?
But you know, it's just it's such a horrible reality because it's something that is being driven into reality
And they may like you said believe that this is the only path
I would still call it a war crime no matter what but I genuinely hope we don't get to that
That that that line being crossed
But you know, I I believe that right now that's being all of this is being driven because of this ideological push
And I think Iran very much sees that and so you understand the you know
Even like the samson option element, you know what I mean like these are things that they're this is
You know, how do you respond to that?
What do you do knowing that that line is crossable for them?
And that's what worries me is this may become like the like you said that well, you know
The logic then becomes that we have to take irrational action
Otherwise we will end up being removed and it's like, you know, and again
This needs to be repeated like that only exists because of what's been driven by these people claiming they're fighting for freedom and liberty
You know, who knows maybe Iran was the one that or maybe they have this mindset of the radical
But there's no evidence of that the world does not show that their actions do not show that
So the only what we're thing we're left with is looking at what the people claiming good or have been doing the entire time
And it proves who they actually are, you know
So as always people need to stand up call this out, you know take the effort to
Show each other people right do what actions you think makes difference. You want to protest
You want to call your your congressman do it all right, but do something right?
What do you think people should do charlie?
What do you think is the you know conscientious objector conversation?
There's a lot of stuff that's been going on, you know, mike prisner people saying they don't want to go
You know, what what do you think people should be doing?
Well, I saw in israel that uh, a lot of people at ben gurion airport were opting for the samsonite option
Hmm. Well, and what's this the samsonite option, which is getting on an airplane getting the hell out of there
That's what they were doing
They were they were they were they were leaving. I think for americans
I mean the this would be such a deeply unpopular war
The idea of a draft. I know I was
freshman in college in
January 91 when they did the
Or the first gulf war and that was a question that everyone was asking sure we're gonna get drafted into this
Is there gonna be a war and and and so that was a real conversation that was being had
By people my age when I was in college
It didn't wind up happening of course if something like that were to be rolled out now
In an era of social media in an era in a post pat tilman world
Good luck. Good luck trying to do that. We would be
We would be I would I would be
working
20 hours a day trying to do everything I could to throw a monkey wrench in that plan
Mm-hmm
You know to the idea of of suckering in a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds who don't know any better to go die for israel in
in iran
deeply unpopular, I I think that might be the end of
The trump administration if you tried to roll that maybe I mean maybe like it would be so unpopular that the right and left join
Together in opposition of that you can imagine that
And a mafia point right where that's self-regulation where they recognize that trump or whatever they're doing is
Is exposing the game for everybody and that's how that tends to work
Right, so they go we got to get him out of here and we can go back to playing the same game
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, it's a it's a it's an important time to be paying attention and and to not get
Suckered into these emotional responses to things especially with the mainstream media. They want you to feel a certain way
They want you to hate certain people. They want you to think that
But you know
They want you to be inconsistent in your beliefs and bombing when we do it is fine
It's spreading freedom and democracy when they do it it's terrorism
And if they can get you to into that
Frame of mind where you're us versus them then then they've got you, you know, and I think it's just so important for us to
Pull back to try and take a look at the big picture get good information
You know and and and not be so
Reactive I know that there's a tendency especially in america, you know, let's get on there before they get us here
And I worry about a false flag, of course
So we worry about this sleeper cells thing that they're they're pitching
You know, um, so so what would that look like? Well, it would you know
What if they tried that in it in it backfired and everybody immediately went israel did it and and on social media
It was just such a dud that they couldn't roll that out anymore. I mean, maybe
Yeah, and that is that those sorts of things have happened recently too. Yeah, so
We're getting to the point where they are the boys who cried wolf
And people just aren't really paying attention anymore and that's good
That's a that's a that's a that's a better place for us to be
Now than 2005
When the iraq war sales pitch was happening and you
All you had to do is be the dixie chicks and say, you know, shoot
We should give this a second thought and it's like out
vanished from the country have to change your name do all you know, so
You know, this this is sort of where we are
I just hope people will will take a moment and not be reactive and and and understand that there's
on both sides, you know both sides propaganda
And and to be mindful of that and not be reactive because they're gonna get you emotional and because you'll
You know because then they can get you to act a certain way
Yeah, right because circumvent's logic. They know that, you know, but to your point about they they're not paying attention
And I know what you meant but I would frame it differently
It's they're paying more attention than ever
They're just not paying attention to the people that are proven liars over the years, right?
You know, and I even argue that we should be watching and considering everything we can
But question at all right vetted all question if you can't verify it you put it to the side
But I think that's what's happening
I think more people than ever are asking questions that they've never thought were even like they'd even realize existed
You know, like this is truly starting to evolve in a way
And I think we've been here to a smaller degree more than once and it's it's our opportunity
It's our obligation to do something to try to take advantage of this change
Especially since it's so clear that none of us like what's going on none of us like this
It's like if we're literally every time talking about the lesser of evils. How do we not realize where we are?
You know, it's like let's we can genuinely change this and I think that's finally
Becoming clear to people that it's not just pick the other side
But you know, how do we re have how do we evolve or literally rebuild or build something new?
You know, it's important that we start asking these questions. We're gonna have a great conversation a month from now. I can tell you
Yeah, yeah, yeah are hopefully sooner
I mean we should you know, like just if there's something crazy going on we'll jump on and talk about it, man
But I always appreciate our conversations, brother
It's just important to be able to flush these thoughts out, you know
Just just have a dialogue and think it through because a lot of this stuff is, you know, as always, you know
You adding new things to
My thoughts and vice versa and hopefully we do that for everybody out there, you know
Because some of this stuff really is ridiculous and you know until you put a fine point on it until you openly say it out loud
Some people don't really see it or put it together myself included, you know
I have a conversation with you where I go, you know what and then I go do a show and it's talking about something
You and I discussed, you know
Yeah, yeah, well, we're all we're all helping each other. Nobody has it all figured out and that's the beauty of it
I mean, it's a big jigsaw puzzle and you bring a piece and I bring a piece and
After a while it starts to take shape and we start to to to see the you know, what's out there, but
um
I'm just I'm glad that uh
I'm glad that people are starting to ask some questions now. Yeah, I I would agree with you that maybe they're not paying attention to the
mainstream media anymore, but they are
Paying attention. Maybe it's just as simple as getting lied to that's what did it to me
I got lied to so much by the media that it it infuriated me. I just wanted to go out there and prove them wrong and now
you know
Went from despising the media to now being a part of it with activist
I suppose that's that's sort of how it goes, right? I wanted to prove them wrong so badly that i'm like
This is how you do it the right way, right, right? You want to prove so so wrong so badly that you go out and do it every day
Yeah, every day every single day. We get to do I know I frankly enjoy it
I like I you know
I'm glad we're the point where we are in real time watching people whether mainstream alternative or mainstream
Get seen for what they really are there is a level of enjoyment there because they deserve it
You know and I think that accountability is it's nice to see and hopefully we can get more of that
So fairly always a pleasure brother. Thank you for being here and as always
Out there question everything come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant
I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough and it's very hard for me to see how the United States
President can get us to war with Iran
Which leads me to conclude that if in fact compromise is not coming
That the traditional way of america gets to war is what would be best for you as interests
Uh, some people might think that mr. Roosevelt wanted to get us into the world war two as david mentioned
You may recall. We had to wait for pearl harbor
Some people might think mr. Wilson wanted to get us into world war one
You may recall. He had to wait for the lucetani episode
Some people might think that mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to vietnam
You may recall. We had to wait for the gulf of tonkin episode
We didn't go to war with spain until the uss until the main exploded
And may I point out that mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the federal army
Until fort sumpter was attacked which is why he ordered the commander at fort sumpter to do exactly that thing
Which the south carolinians had said would cause an attack
So if in fact the iranians aren't going to compromise it would be best if somebody else started the war
But I would just like to suggest that
One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions
I mentioned that explosion
On august 17th we could step up the pressure
I mean look people iranian submarines periodically go down someday one of them might not come up
Who would know why?
We can do a variety of things if we wish to increase the pressure. I'm not advocating that
But i'm just suggesting that
This is not a either or proposition of you know, it's just sanctions has to has to succeed or other things
We are in the game
Of using covert means against the iranians
We we could get nastier at that