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Welcome to the Delling pod Christopher Sparks. Um, I am actually really I'm looking I was so looking forward to this conversation
It was prompted by this really I've known about you for a while and I haven't really been able to get a handle on you
I sort of asked around you know like
Do you know about Christopher Sparks and his some keys of the kingdom Bible?
Because I I want I wanted a an independent take as it were because I mean you could be a completely mad bloke who's just
Come up with a rubbish translation of the Bible and making all sorts of claims or you could be a
Total genius who's completely transformed our understanding of what the Bible really meant and stuff
And you know, do you find this problem with it when you're trying to sell yourself and your and your Bible?
Trying to convince people that you're not kind of a nutcase
Well to some people yes, but you know, I give the evidence
There's a New Testament
Translation if you can call it that that one of my students don't be about 20 years ago
And it says in the preface God told me to do this
and
The standard of the preface was about a level student students, you know, it wasn't sort of a scholarly
Written
Piece of work at all and the translation was awful and he said God told him to do it. Well, where's the evidence?
Yes, well, let's let's let's start at the beginning shall we where tell me about yourself
All right
Where do I begin I was born in Birmingham in the early 50s 1951
And I've lived down here in the south of England most of the time sense apart from some time in Wales and Oxford and
My father was a literary man and a
Grammarian and he was always quoting
Shakespeare and Dr. Johnson and other pieces of poetry. He's he taught drama in English
So I grew up with hearing all this and course when you're young you think yeah
Yeah, dad, but when you get a bit older you start thinking hold on
I think dad dad was a polymath and all these things that he knew were remarkable and
I just naturally started reading
Reading and writing poetry without anybody telling me to do it. It just happened. I just did it and
so my love of literature grew from there and then my dad and I were running a bookshop and
So I was
managing that and
Of course, I could get
reduced-price books and I was getting
Mainly reading art books because art historians write well and I was interested of course in the artworks and so I was building up a collection of
books and then poetry and
Then one day I
Was in a wine bar listening to a folk band and in the interval
I got talking to the leader of this folk band and he was
In quote marks of born-again Bible-believing Christian and
But he was interested in asking poetry and music and philosophy and all the things I've been reading and so
He asked me to join his band, which I did and so I
Got very friendly with this fellow
And one day I went to his his church, which I lived just a few yards from and I heard the Bible read and
Him's song and prayers read. I'd never heard anything like this as a small evangelical church and
I walked out of there a changed man
Can I just put just to pause you there what what were you playing in this folk band? What was it? Oh?
harmonica and
reading poetry
I
Thought not not being rude, but
I'm not sure I wanted what would have wanted to come and see you wouldn't it been quite
Annoying having somebody playing harmonica and reading poetry when you want kind of you know, you want
Well, you know you want a bit of kind of
Well, I wasn't really in poetry and playing the harmonica at the same time
But
Separate things I love the harmonica. It's a great instrument. I will say you can take it anywhere
I've usually got a harmonica on me. I walk the hills
Play the songs I love
But now since then those days I've taken up the guitar and play guitar and harmonica and
So part of my
Did you have success in this folk band or was it purely a hobby?
We weren't making money. We weren't doing it for that because this fellow was
Christian and he was doing it to talk about God through it and Christ through his songs. So so you were doing
Christian folk
Well, yes, and some of this fellow's own
Compositions which were beautiful and he was so gifted
And really really gifted. I'll say was he died a few years ago. Oh, he was brilliant. He really was brilliant
So I interrupted you so see you then had this this epiphany at
This evangelical church and that inspired you to
Dot dot dot
Well as I saw I was getting cheap cheap books reduced books from the shop
I was managing with my dad and
First thing I did was get myself a cheap Bible
You know, I just walked out of that church
I walked into that church not wanting to serve God because I didn't even know what it meant
I I thought it meant being a goodie-goody and staying at home reading books. Ironically, that's what I was doing anyway
but
So I couldn't wait to when I walked out of that church
I couldn't wait to serve God and get a Bible and find out what it's all about and
That's what it was about for me from the very beginning the word of God and
So I got an NIV
New international version and I devoured it and I took it everywhere, you know, South of France
I've worked for a while and I just took this thing everywhere and it felt a bit
And then I started looking at some other versions then early 1990s. I
New Testament manuscripts and
Then I started finding out more and more things and
Then I came across the works of Dr. E. W. Bullinger. Have you come across him? No
Tell me what he edited the Companion Bible published about 1913 14 and
On the eve of the First World War. It's the King James Bible with margin notes thousands and thousands of them
And so it was the beginning of January 1995 that I discovered Bullinger. So
He was raising translation issues and
Interpretation issues which I never come across in churches
You have to get out of churches to find the truth. You get out into the wilderness. Yeah of the wilderness
And so
This Companion Bible and I was reading all these margin notes sitting in my front garden that summer
hot summer
in my cricket cap and reading these thousands and thousands of margin notes and
Then started typing up on my PC hard drive passages, which have got to be adjusted
So there was another book by Bullinger how to enjoy the Bible
That sounds a sort of mainstream
Paperback at the back of the church, but it's not it's a scholarly book with Hebrew and Greek words
And so I was devouring these two books and making all these notes
Then in the August of 1997 I was in Barak on tweed in a private library
I was staying as a guest
for a week on holiday and I
Heard two old boys up at the books while I was sitting at a desk in this library reading
They were talking about immortality of the soul
so
This
Peaks my interest and I had to go and interrupt them ask them what they were talking about and
They said immortality of the soul. I said why and one of them is rather like my granddad a rather tall or
Steer man with his hands behind his back rather military. Well, it's not right, is it and I said
Why not and he said Ezekiel 18 verse 4 the soul that sineth it shall die
Oh, yes. Oh
Yes, of course in the church is this immortal soul you take it for granted that when you die
You go off somewhere your soul or your spirit. They never quite decide which it's soul or spirit
But there was Ezekiel saying the soul whose sins will die
Ezekiel 18 for and
this man had
Roland wicks had also
Published a booklet about this called the path to immortality. It's in the bibliography at the back of my translation
So he gave me a copy and well, I devoured this
And on the train coming home
From Berwick to Hampshire
And I was thinking well if the immortality of the soul is a fake teaching which this man
Illustrated to me is a fake teaching
Well, then hell can't be true either. So I started looking into that
Well a week or two later. I was sitting by a local lake
in the sunshine and
Thinking about all these things and thinking about William Tyndale and I decided that moment
We've got to have a proper translation
That's how it began August 97
that and
Did you have the
the Greek
And the Hebrew at that time
No, no, that's the interesting thing James as soon as I began this all the right people started clustering around me
somebody who had
Remarkable
technological skills
unlike myself and so he set a program that would
superscript all the
Passages the numbers of the passages of the Bible
and so he did all that for me and
Then I was on holiday in
Where was it land done on north of Wales?
Excuse me in a bed and breakfast breakfast called Beth Eden
So the house of Eden and I met there a Hebrew and great scholar who wrote out for me a list of all the books that I'd need and
He got a hundred percent for his Hebrew exam in University
96 for the Greek or it might be the other way around
And so remarkable man to meet and also with all that he was a Christian
Completely by chance you met this guy
Well the previous holiday in Bericom tweed
I'd been told about him that he would be in Landudno at this bed and breakfast
So with these people I was on holiday with
Now one of them knew this fellow and said he'd be in Landudno
So it was the same group of people so so I went knowing he'd be there, but not knowing
You know quite what a remarkable
Linguist he would be and what a help we'd be to each other
And so he didn't understand the war about the New Testament manuscripts, which I did and he is now
Kind of world-class expert in this he's taken it to another level and his work has been an immense help for me
And in that field as well, I do quite like stories about miracles Christopher, and I have to say I'm lightly disappointed
I was hoping to say and I came down to breakfast and I was thinking who is gonna help me in this this this task
I have given myself. Where am I gonna get the Greek and the Hebrew and then
Across the I asked this man to pass me the salt and he said by the way
I
Wasn't far off that and the books that he he wrote right out for me
Handwrote this list. I got every single one of them and he was right. I used them all
Did you teach yourself Greek well, he he taught me he taught you that's brilliant. Yeah, um, yeah, and
I
Imagine it was quite a long project
I mean, how does it take to translate the Bible?
Well, I began in I'd say I began in September 97. I didn't haven't got the exact date
from my notebooks
But
you know the
September 97 that's 28
years and a bit ago and so
It's been sorry 97 not 98
September 97 that's 28 years and six months and
I've been doing it intensely every day. I mean, I eventually gave up or paid work and been living on faith
And had to do it and I knew that it was obvious. God wants his word translated properly
So just from that that obvious statement. I knew
I was doing the right thing and I could see the other Bibles where there were
Repeated errors
right
and
Living on faith. I mean, I know it does say in the scriptures, you know asking you shall receive and
There's wonderful lines in in Matthew Matthew 6 about about the you know
Don't worry about the stuff God will take care of it. I forget the exact quote, but um, did that work for you?
Well, yes, it's about, you know
Sat in your mind on the kingdom of the heavens and all these things will be added to you. Is that what you're thinking of?
No, well
Yeah, yeah
Well, it's it's it's the it's the bit of Matthew when he talks about consider the lilies and all that and he and he
Oh, yes
They don't think about don't think about clothes because God will go to provide them and don't worry about food
It's got to provide them, but um, I mean did that happen to you? Did you where very much so?
Yes, that's been the provision has been utterly remarkable. I could not have done this without the support of other people
Yeah, it has been truly remarkable miraculous
Some people were giving you sorry to iron on I'm just well, I mean just food detail food
Well, who paid for your bills and stuff? Well, and I have I'm 75, so I have a state pension and
But I get royalties from the books not very much
Not very much because it's not a mainstream bestseller yet, but it's gonna have to be no
28 years that you were doing this engaged in this project. What what what did you do? Well, I had some savings price God, right?
okay, um and
um
I've read
I've read at least one of your essays on the subject and I was very interested in what you had to say
about the the King James
Bible and I have to say in my in my days of ignorance when I was sort of
Anormy, do you know what anormy is? I do. Yeah, I used to be for most of my life. I was a normie and I and
normie establishment. What's more I?
sort of
Public school and then Oxford and all that and I I I kind of
believed in in the stories we were told and I believed in shake
I thought I thought a man from Stratford had written Shakespeare and I
I thought the greatest British Empire was a great endeavor and I thought the King James Bible was really the only one
It was it was written in the language of God and and there were all sorts of
Books to support me in this, you know the people like Adam Nicholson wrote a book about the making of the of the King James Bible and
now
Probably not as much as you but I look at it with it with a degree of skepticism and good
Yeah, yeah
But before we go there, and I think that is interesting point of discussion
tell me about
the different versions of the
Old and New Testaments
Because I'm at the moment correct me if I'm wrong. I'm inclining
Towards the Septu a
Septuagint. Is it a Septuagint or a jint? Is it Septuagint?
Septuagint. I'm inclined inclined towards the Septuagint. I think that the Masoretic texts are a sort of medieval
Jewish thing not as reliable as the
Septuagint, but you tell me am I right or wrong?
All right, first of all, I'll have to pick up on your mention of Adam Nicholson his book Power and Glory
Making of the King James Bible
He he's a contemporary historian Adam Nicholson. I've read other books of him
He's a most wonderful writer his power of narrative is second to none and he
in this book Power and Glory
Describes the character of King James and of the translators and
From which I have to say the spirit of Jesus was not in them and the spirit of Jesus could not come out of them
He really exposes their character and in my book
Have I got a copy here? Yes in my book the study companion with the keys of the kingdom Bible
I pay royalties to Adam Nicholson to quote length from his book
Exposing the characters
But really he should be paying me back some royalties because I've recommended his book
There's so many people have come back to me and said what a magnificent book so
It's evidence against the character of the translators and of the commissioning king
So the king was throwing in jail those who would not bow down to his church of England religion
and
He was using his translators including the chairman so Lancelot Andrews as
Inquisitors so they were going into filthy dungeons
Acting as inquisitors and trying to trick Christians Christians, so persecutors of Christ
So that's the first thing about King Josh Bible the people behind it were not godly people
So the spirit of God could not come out of them
Yes, who was the worst I mean I really didn't want you to do this because I wanted to because I think this is a
No, where have you gone?
Sorry
You ignored my you ignored my instructions and and went straight into the King James Bible and the problem is that we're not gonna have to go there
Rather anyway, doesn't matter tell me you asked about the yeah, I mentioned it
We'll go back and then we'll go forward because I wanted to pick up on your mention of Nick. Yeah, I know you did
so Lancelot Andrews he was clearly
Remember this scene where you're right the some of the some of these translators are going to torture
Christians
Christians who just don't go with it with it with the mainstream narrative. I can't remember what their particular
Objections were but but you're right the it's not a godly thing to be going
To torment people over tiny doctrinal differences
No, so lots of Andrews who else was there? Oh Robert overall and there was somebody else with a surname sparks
I forget his surname first name
Sparks terrible terrible individual. I hope there's no relation of mine of mine, but
In the preface to my translation I mentioned the names of these people and
So, yeah, would you go to a sermon?
Listen to the doctrine
From somebody who's just been persecuting
Torturing the sons of God, you know, yeah
Being tortured to death didn't they these members sort of translating the King James Bible and
Preaching and then going to dungeons to act as inquisitors. They really was that bad
Yeah, so you can't trust them and so Lancelot Andrews the chairman of the translators
Well, you say yes, you remember that particular scene. That's quite early in the book. Oh
Here's a nasty cold-blooded cold-hearted inquisitor
Horrible man. Yeah
So I get that I get that they weren't nice people although that doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't
Sufficiently scholarly to deliver a good translation, but I suppose they were also politicians
So it's rather they were enthralled to the regime. So they had to produce a particular
Slant is that is another problem?
Well, yes, very much so I mean they were commissioned to do it paid to do it so yeah, well that's easy, isn't it?
But how many were there? Oh
about 50 odd
And
So there are remarkable
Contradictions and inconsistencies such as world without end and at the end of the world
Well, which is it, you know, I saw 45 17 and Ephesians 3 21 world without end
Matthew 13 at the end of the world, but which is it? Actually, it's neither of them. They're both wrong
Uh, so
You know, it says in early one Corinthians chapter two or three
Spiritual things are understood spiritually. Well, if you're a persecutor of Christians, you cannot be
One of Christ's shape you just cannot be because you wouldn't act like that
And so if you do not have the spirit of Christ in you, it's not going to come out in you
So they did not understand spiritual things and I'll say that from the mountaintops
They did not understand spiritual things and so every major theme
Of the word of God is shipwrecked in the king james bible every major theme
That is going to be anathema of course to
So many americans because I mean if we like the kjv over here
I'd say a huge chunk of american
Christians
Uh, they think it's it's not just the best the best translation
But the only translation and you've probably you've probably seen this on the internet
There are these various the kjv only I get more trouble from them than any anyone
I could take some of them to court the things they've said
Really the screen shots or facebook things that have been said I could take them to court
But they also do things like numerology don't they whether that they talk about the the
Well, I've it's been a while since I looked at that one, but I've seen people saying that it is literally
gods gods creation because of the
The symmetry and the number and where the words appear and
If you run it through a computer this all that happens and you come across these theories, haven't you?
Well, yes concerning the king james bible. That's all myth
um
There is a remarkable
numerical structure to the word of god
In the hebrew and greek there really is
Um, and there's an appendix at the back of my translation
Keys of the kingdom. Have you seen my translation james? I haven't no. I haven't no. All right. Well, this is it
Um, it's red and gold edition 2024. There's an appendix about
The miracle of genesis one verse one, which in hebrew is
Now there's a remarkable numerical structure to that showing that no human mind could have come up with that sentence
And so, you know, I've analyzed it deeply but to say that the king james bible
make some miraculous
Um
Mathematical answer is fallacy
Because well, it might do within itself
But not it would not translate back into what the prophets and apostles wrote. So this has been my
labor to translate to produce a translation that would translate back exactly into the original
And the king james bible would not do that. I mean, I give one example
I've already given to world of that end and at the end of the world both of which are wrong
um
john one three
All things were made through him were made. That's wrong
so
the
Greek verb verbs to make or create our poeio and cotizo. Well, it's not either of those in john one three
It's a genito which is the standard it came to pass
It's nothing to do with anybody creating anything now. This is grammar
And this grammar I learned from my father and I learned from schools and I learned from university and I taught at university
and
People do not look at this grammar. They say
Um, all all things were made through him were made. It's in the king james bible. It's right. Well, hold on
Look at the greek a genito
so when these kjv only people
scream at you and
um
Say that it's inspired by god and it's better than other translations. What they'll do is compare it to other translations
They'll never compare it back to the hebrew and greek
So a genito means it came to pass it arose it happened
So just just just clarify what what should it what what should the sentence read?
Oh, right. I'll read it from from here
I mean it all things arose through it
Everything arose through it meaning the logos
All things arose through the word of god
Here we are
Everything through it arose and apart from it there arose not even one thing that has arisen
You see it's what arose
through the word of god
And john's testimony everything in this gospel on writing you
Has been inspired by the word of god arose through the word of god activated by god's word
And at the end he also makes testimonies that all these things are true
So it's if you like is a cliche it's book-ended with john's testimony that everything in it is true and from the word of god
It's nothing to do with anybody creating anything anywhere. It's all made up
And but how does that what does that do to the significance of that of that phrase just just explain
So is if i'm stupid
All right. Well, it's john one three is john's testimony
That everything in his gospel
That he records in this narrative of events
That happened through christ
They were all through the power of the word of god
Whereas the kjv and the other institution by was try to make out they twist it
And try to make out that it's a passage showing that jesus was the creator in genesis one one
But there is no verb in john one three that means make or made
Um i'm still being being thick here
Right well they are trying to
Present you
With a passage to show that jesus is the creator in genesis one
Who made the heavens and the earth but he wasn't it was Elohim
So what they're saying is false. They're doctrine is false
jesus was born in batty ham
And romans one says that he was out of the seed of david
And so we know where he was born in batty ham
right
So he wasn't around when Elohim was creating the heavens and the earth
Okay, all things are made by him without him was not anything made
Right, okay, so see that's fake translating
I can see it's bad. It's it's it's inaccurate
Translating and and you could be right. It could be
Uh political. What what do you think about?
um
Um king james being
Essentially an occultist. Well, I know it wasn't occultist. Do you think he was do you think he was even a
believing christian
What do you think he's one of the working for the dark side?
No, I think he might have been a christian in flesh called himself a christian as many people do
but you know he you have to be
reborn
By renewed by the spirit of god. That's what happened to me
In december 1979, you know as i've expressed it many times the old christopher sparks died in good riddance
And a new christopher sparks walked out of that church
Just yearning to get a bible and to learn what it was all about
Well, yeah, you can call yourself a christian
But the queen did recent queen
Well, she obviously wasn't I I you you weren't listening to my
podcast i've just recorded with
Jesse sabota
Oh, it was a former mother of darkness. Do you know do you know about the mothers of darkness?
No, I don't
Well, you know that satanists run the world, don't you?
Yes, yeah, um
The mothers of darkness are the kind of the high priestesses of this the satanic
Cult whatever um, and she tells she tells me believe it or not that the queen was
On the council of nine and the council of the nine is a very very very high up and evil
occultic
Organization, so yeah, I don't think I don't think our beloved queen how late beloved queen lisabeth was in fact
A woman of god either. I don't think the I don't think the rules
generally, I think they've been
Somebody told me they've been satanists since about 1327
All right, I didn't know that king alfred was a bible believer
And there's a wonderful statue of him at the foot of the high street in winchester
and
Now he translated some passages of the bible and he wanted to run
his country along the laws of god
But that's certainly not what's happened to us in the last 70 years since the second world war
Just everything wrong and bad has got its nose in the tent
Got its camel through the gate
and
So was king james a christian he might have called himself a christian but
He was not a bible believer in christian. Otherwise, he would not have authorized
What the translators came up with?
And right these doctrines
That they upheld like the three gods and satan and hell immortal soul
Virgin birth all these are from ancient babelon
Right. Yes
You're aware of that then james
Yes. Well, I am because of a book that
Another
Book lover collector. He runs an antiquarian bookshop and he's an even he's an evangelical late year
And he gave me this book
on how
The
Well the the catholic church sort of um, uh, uh, incorporated lots of kind of babelonian
Myths, you know, we know what's the book called synchretism
What is it called? Um
I've mentioned it before on the podcast. I forget. I'll go I'll go and get it in the moment. You've probably got it
Yeah, I've got a couple of books about that. Hang on. I was going to check in the book. I think it's
That two babelons
Oh, yeah, yeah, I've got reverend alexander his lop his lop. Yes. Yes. I've got that wonderful
That's in my bibliography at the back of my translation
I knew you'd know it and I could say it's a great read and it's particularly great
If you are of a sort of anti-popish
Disposition and you and it and it's sort of you think oh the catholics they believe all this nonsense about this and that
But I have heard since
That he's his scholarship is not first rate
That he makes he makes he makes some errors
He makes he's he's he's so kind of way with his argument that he's that he sometimes
Uh uses dodgy evidence to support his thesis
All right, well, I wouldn't just put this on the catholic church
I think that's the catholic church is an easy target
Right because of what we know about the vatican
But the Protestant church believes these same things
And even before the catholic church arose through
Bishop Damascus
These things were being taught, you know the immortal soul and hell it's in Luke 16
And Jesus tells the story of the poor man who goes to Abraham's bosom, which is not the biblical
Place and the rich man who goes to Hades, which is not the biblical place either
But did you know that story?
Luke 16 is straight out of Homer
It's in Homer's odyssey. It's a man called tantalus
so
first Homer wrote the
The Iliad the nine years war and then the odyssey the odyssey this journey by the soldier Odysseus
His return home to his wife Penelope in all his adventures. It's a travel fiction and on the way
Global warming is a massive con. There was no evidence whatsoever
That man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle
In order to deal with it. It's a non-existent problem. But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition to my 2012 classic book
Watermelons, which captures the story of how
Some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to
fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land
It's a shocking story
I wrote it as I say in well 2011 actually it the first edition came out
And it's a snapshot of a particular era the era when
The people behind the time climate change scan got caught red-handed
Tinkering with the data
Torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen climate gate
So I give you the background to to the skull jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where these supposed
Experts were informing us. We've got to act now
I rumbled there's their scam. I then asked the question. Okay, if it is a scam
Who's doing this and and why?
It's a good story
I I've kept the the original book pretty much as is but I've written two new
chapters one at the beginning and one at the end
Explaining how it's even worse than we thought
I think it's a I think it still stands up. I think it's it's a good read
Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it you can buy it from
jamesdellingpole.co.uk
forward slash shop
But you'll probably find that might just go to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those
People who are still persuaded that
It's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god
There we go. It's a scam
So
first Homer wrote the
The earlier the nine years war and then the odyssey the odyssey this journey by the soldier Odysseus
His return home to his wife Penelope and all his adventures. It's a travel fiction and on the way
Odysseus is given a guided tour of Hades and now he sees a man named tantalus
Who is tantalizingly close to get in a drink of water?
And fire keeps coming and so this story got circulated and then picked up by the scribes and Pharisees
whom Jesus was rebuking in Luke 16 and saying that they're money lovers
So by having this man poor man this beggar in Abraham's bosom
They were saying look at the great rewards for being poor and then they could oppress them with taxes
And so we see already before the Catholic church this idea of
Eternal torture was being taught and the immortal soul was being taught
And then it got incorporated into Luke
Well, Jesus told that story
Oh, I see
To expose the scribes and Pharisees is it such a ridiculous story and some people say to me
There we are Luke 16 Jesus description of hell. They don't the irony is Jesus is mocking it
He's mocking it. You're a story and it's you know, you can find it in Homer's odyssey
and so
It was a fiction story. It was circulating and
um
So, yeah, the rich man goes off to punishment. So don't want to be rich
Meanwhile, the scribes and Pharisees are raking it in so the hypocrites
So these things were around and of course in the new testament there's Beelzebub
So, you know another mythological thing
So my point is that these things were around before the Catholic church
Do you think we should go back to the beginning now?
Uh, I mean you've
You can maybe clear up some confusion. I have
Lots of people have probably
About what is the most trustworthy original source
for the bible
Right
Yeah, now that's a difficult question to answer because it's a mixture
This goes back to your early point about the old testament and new testament text
So, um
I think the best thing for people to get hold of is jp greens into linear and the keys of the kingdom bible
So my translation has been main mainly done through jp greens
Hebrew and greek into linear
But by no means sticking slavishly to it there are so his old testament is based on the masoretic
You've already raised the septuagint
There are some passages where the septuagint has got it right and the masoretic has got it wrong
but overall
Um, we have to be discerning because both of them
Have got the old testament books in the wrong order
Both of them have got the song of Solomon and Esther which are not biblical books
There's no righteous person in them. They're just celebrations of sin and lust
and revenge
And so they've both got that they've both got the prophecies of edicule in the wrong order
Did you know about edicule made 13 dated prophecies?
And they should obviously be in chronological order
But they're not in the masoretic text the septuagint text the king james bible. They're just an absolute muddle
And this is deliberate. It was done deliberately
Was it by whom?
Well, whoever
Had charge over the manuscripts
So the scrolls would have been on rollers so
Unrolling the scroll of edicule possibly a mistake could have been made but funny that the mistake ends with
Having the book of edicule concluding with chapters 40 to 48 which talk about
Reconstructed temple and circumcision and bringing back all the feasts and sacrifices
Well, all these things were done away within christ
But it looks as if you know, there's going to be another temple built in Jerusalem
So that's why they've concocted it like that and of course most christians think that that is a kind of prophetic
Structure, but it's not the last prophecy
And there's not going to be another temple. You know, they tried it once in Jerusalem and fire came out of the ground
The laborers couldn't get near it. That's what will happen again
um
So
You say got it, right
Um, how do you know what is
In apart from discernment. How do you know what is what the actual?
uh
Correct version of you mean the the order of the prophecies
Because they're just generally
Oh, well, yeah grandma
Grandma like that. John 1 3, you know a genitov. It's not a plural passive transitive
Dynamic verb. It's a stative intransitive
Single active. So they've really got it wrong and they've messed up the doctrine
and then
I mean I could give countless examples at 2 Timothy 1 9 and Titus 1 2
Before the world began in the king giant. It's nothing like that's nothing like the great. No, no, sorry. Sorry
I'm you see your problem, Christopher is you know far too much
and I'm trying to
Maintain some discipline here and keep you on track because we're not always clever as you
And I'm just I'm trying to get down to the because if you're talking about the correct translation
We need to know that the stuff you're translating is trustworthy, don't we?
So I'm I'm I'm quite interested to know
um
The septuagint am I right in thinking
predates
The masoretic text by about what a thousand years
Right. Well, this in my opinion is all myth
I do not believe that the septuagint was made before the days of christ. I don't believe it
I don't believe that jesus and paul cited from the septuagint
I believe that the translator
singular translator of the septuagint
used the greek new testament text
to
where
christ and paul cited the hebrae prophets
The translator used those to save him a bit of translator from the hebrae. That's why they line up
And there were two bishops
In the victorian time west cotton horde now they concocted a false new testament
text
But so they were not exactly men of christ
However, they were extremely knowledgeable and they said that oregon was the translator of the septuagint and I agree with them
There aren't many places I agree with them, but I agree with that
Oregon
Oregon, yeah, second third century
and
Third century ad
Yes, yes, and that's why some of the passages where christ and paul cite the prophets
Are the same as the septuagint because the septuagint translator used what they said. Oh, I see
Well, that could be right
I don't
You see this is the problem christopher with with
So much. Well, I often say that christianity is the biggest
and deepest of all the rabbit holes
because
Yes, a we all
Well, certainly there's a verse you believe in god
Um, agree that it's the most important
thing
Yeah, um, but then
You've got 2000 years just just
since since christ time
2000 years of
some of the the most learned scholars that have ever existed
And they've all reached different conclusions about this stuff
And it's very very hard to know and then you've got the authorities like the the various churches
It's very very hard to you must must have found this
hard to know
whom to trust and and
Because these are not stupid people
but
You know, I mean if you're right if if if the
septuagint was was was was written by or organ
Um
And the the masoretic text of what no well the masoretic text that they're they're about a thousand AD aren't they?
I don't know the exact date
Um, they're medieval the early medieval
Yes, but the septuagint recently has developed a bit of a cult following and people a couple of people have written to me
Why didn't you translate from the septuagint? Well, because you get the same old problems
You know somebody pops up in youtube video and
say making a long video about the septuagint and um and so
People start believing this and it circulates and you know becomes clickbait
But as I said just now, you know the septuagint has got the same problems with the order of the books
Two books that shouldn't be in there zikios prophecies in the wrong order
and um and some other
real clumsy translations
But what I do like about it is in genesis 5 and 11 it gets the dates right and so
I have used the septuagint for those dates and other things as well
I've got footnotes and I have thousands of footnotes in my translation
Where I've gone to the septuagint or something else
um, but genesis 5 and 11 is really important
Um to get these dates right because the dates in the masoretic make it impossible for christ to be
um
chronologically
descended
From those people because the years are out and that was done. Are they well, so what dates are we talking about?
the eight, um the ages
of certain
patriarchs and
um and men
You know how long they lived when they were born and so the masoretic puts this out now is a complicated video
about this on youtube which I listened to years ago
and I had to listen to it several times and
I forget the name of the man, but again, it's in my bibliography and
The man who has done this is incredibly
um detailed and scholarly and
You know, you really you can't sort of be doing an oil painting and listen to this and keep up with it
you've got to watch the screen and make notes and
So that was his
thesis that it was the dates were put out deliberately in the masoretic text to put out the
years for christ
Right
And the septuagint gets it right
The septuagint does get it right. Okay. Yeah, right, so I've used their dates and and I footnoted it extensively
Okay, so
You've you've translated
um the bible
what
How did it change what you understand about
Jesus and christianity and what it's all about?
All right, what a wonderful question. Yeah
It changed everything
because
When I became a believer when I was born again in 1979 or filled with the spirit of god
I just trusted the church bibles until the beginning of the 1990s
So the 1980s
Was not a particularly good decade for me as I was trust in these church bibles
But 1990s got better and better when I started finding out
So well, the first thing I found out
No, was that the immortal soul is not true then the hell is not true
And then there's a going to heaven and death is not true
and
There's one thing after another
and as I compared the greek and the hebro to the
English translations I could see, you know, they were completely
Out of whack as I think this americanism isn't that I don't really like it. Um, but I think that's what they say
and
For example, john 1126
It should say
And whoever is believing in me will most certainly not die throughout the eon
That's what the greek says will most certainly not die
But the king james has whosoever believe it in me
Some it shall never die never well, there's no word never in the greek of john 1126
the greek for never is
And it's not in there
And then there are five other greek words who may which means most certainly not an intense negative
So certainly not definitely not die then three words. They leave out ice ton aonia
This is easy greek
And I know this was I saw this at the very beginning and it means throughout the eon
Will most certainly not die throughout the eon that is after the resurrection that jesus and martha were talking about
Okay, so what does that what does that mean mean in practical terms for us
Okay, john 1126 in the kjv means don't worry about dying because you go straight to heaven
john 1126 in the greek of the apostle john
Means that you will be resurrected
And the day of resurrection and then you will put on immortality and you won't die
very different
Resurrection as opposed to immortal soul the gospel of jesus is the gospel of resurrection
So
We do get the period of sort of
rotting in the ground or
Or
um
Whatever happens if you get cremated
Uh, and only after jesus comes back. Do we get brought back to life? Is that the idea?
Yes
Yes, he said the hour is coming when those who are in the graves
Will hear my voice john 528
It's going to be quite hard isn't I I can see the sort of the bones of skeletons, you know
Like that amazing scene in um
Is it Ezekiel where the where the where the bones suddenly acquire flesh and
We had that prophecy of israel
Really good great scene the true israel. Yeah
But I can see it's you can see why the satanists invented um
Cremation can't you because it's going to become much harder for god to to put all those bits back together again
oh, well
yeah resurrection is a recreation anyway because uh
You know a body that's been in the grave for 2000 years. It's just going to be
Particles of bones
That's that's right. So it doesn't make much difference. God's just going to go
Yeah, it gives gives god no problem. Yeah, no, he doesn't you're right
I mean one one one underestimates god at one's peril
So, okay. Adam was created out of the dust of the ground
Yeah, so I get that so okay, so we're talking about a difference in sort of
Cause and effect and timescale basically that that yeah, yeah
okay
Tell me what else we learned that you've learned
That you know the shockers give give me give me the
Suck it to me
all right
Now some people love this and some people hate it
and that is
that the serpent
In the garden of eden was adam
Whoa
Was it
Now roman's chapter five people read genesis three in isolation
And think oh here we got adam the serpent and the woman and then god
Well, there's more to it than that because roman's five is a commentary on it and one Timothy two fourteen is a comment on it
so
roman's chapter five say
Says sin came into the world through one man the transgression of adam
It was adam who was the sinner created the sin
Paul doesn't mention any woo woo satan being this just came into the world through adam the transgression of adam
And then of course you get these paintings of adam and eve naked and
Taken an apple and there's a snake in a tree. Well, this is more myth
As if adam like eve was also deceived one Timothy two fourteen. Have you ever read this?
adam was not deceived
That's what it says
Which which one the the the kjp one Timothy two fourteen in the institution bibles
And the king the keys of the kingdom bible. So it's not a translation problem
Even in the institution bibles even they say and adam was not deceived right
So they haven't corrupted that verse, but they don't believe it or had never seen it. So adam was the deceiver
Was he so what well?
Where's the snake in all this or isn't it is it not a snake? Well, john the baptist came on the scene
Calling the enemies of god and christ serpents and matthew 23
Jesus caused the scribes and Pharisees serpents and in revelation
John calls the enemy the ancient serpent and the dragon
And so in Isaiah there's crocodile. So all these animal phrases are used
No wolves and snakes. These are men women false teachers false prophets
pseudo-deductors false teachers
But this the serpent features quite
prominently in in in genesis
Well, yes, well, it's adam deceiving his wife. That's why
Right and what the sort of the patriarchy
Kind of rewrote this to make the woman the the the fall guy as it were. Yes. Yes, because then
Genesis 3 15
First the angel of god, it wouldn't have been god because nobody has seen god
There'd been the angel of god who always appeared before him as his ambassador angel
First back to the serpents and then to adam and then to the woman, but the serpent is adam
So he's talking to the evil nature in adam
And then to adam the man what would be the consequences of your sin and then to eve
But it says
That um
She will crush the head of the serpent
But now somebody told me this
At the stand in the light festival last May where I met your brother and had a good talk with him. Oh
Yes
And
So um, yeah
So a friend there told me that it should say she crush will crush the head of the serpent and he said that's what it says in the latin
So I said well if that's what it says in the latin it will be have to be it will have to be very specific
About the gender because that's how latin works
And I said I'll look at it when I get home and certainly the latin insists
She will crush the head of the serpent
So she was the deceived one
And in revelation 12 you see
The woman who that by then is christ
Sorry, I beg your pardon. Who by then is israel the 12 tribes
Crushing the head of the serpent the serpent is hauled to the ground biblical
figure of speech for defeated
okay
well
I just thought it was because women are scared of snakes
That that it was eve's eve's job. I mean they are girls are
Screamish about snakes aren't they I thought it was something to do with that
Not just girls. I am too can't bear them
So yeah, there's something in them. So that's why
The angel of god calls adam a serpent and john the baptist and jesus called their enemy's serpents
Because it's um, it's a figure of speech
An insult it's called hypocatastasis in the great figure of insult
And so Jesus called her at a fox now go tell that fox
Did he
Okay, I'm going to give you give you a quick test
Which psalm
Defox is appearing
Oh, I don't know
63
Right, I should have known that less than fall upon the edge of the sword that they may be a portion for foxes
How extraordinary you should have mentioned that psalm because verse four is my favorite verse
His loving kindness is better than life and I'm going to make a video reading that very psalm
It's on my bed in my top of my part. I mean this is better than the life itself
I I mean, I suppose we all have our favorite translations
I was going to actually ask you about this. Um, I I I read in your essay that
You're demolition of the kjv
You pointed out that some of the some of the translations they just like they really didn't understand it
They didn't know they don't make sense. They were just
We're told that they were a great committee of scholars and that it that there were different
sections of the bible were allocated to these groups and then they wrangled over it
But it's clear to me
just
I know the psalm is better than any other pastor bible because I read them every day and I I learned them and
In the early days I was I I thought well, I've got to learn the kjv version. That's the gold standard
but
I tend to use the coverdale now
because he makes more sense and there was
psalm 64
psalm 64 was a psalm that I learned
in my kjv learning days and
It just it's clumsy. It doesn't sort of um
I think that the translators didn't quite understand
What they were translating and came up with this sort of
Yeah, so do I doggerel
um
This bit they encouraged themselves in an evil matter
That makes sense. They commune of laying snares privily. They say who shall see them
They search out iniquities. They accomplish a diligent search
Both the inward thought of every one of them and the heart is deep
it's such a
Yeah, I don't I don't really have much of a sense of what's going on
And then this there's the bit where it says
So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves
Make their own tongue to fall upon themselves all that's it
Whereas the coverdale translation is
Yay, their own tongues shall make them fall
That sort of makes more sense that that that
Their lies and that will undo them. They're going to be tricked up on their own words. Yes, but exactly
But the king james people were not up to it and they already had
50 years earlier. They had the coverdale because they because
They they they nick some of coverdell's phrases wholesale and some of them oblige the change
I don't where are you on cover? Do you like him?
I haven't read much of him. I have quoted him somewhere. But no, I haven't read much of it
Anyway, that's just I I just get you said just now they were not up to it. Well, that is exactly right
The king james bible translators were not up to it if they were they'd have got the books in the right order
They would have got the new testament letters in the right order and they haven't
and they would not have
Made many of the blunders they make
Psalm 49 verse 2
It says both the sons of
Adam and the sons of men
And they put both low and high
Well, that's not what it says
And I mean there are just so many so many passages and then romans 116 the kjv has got
Gentiles and greek
and no
Now what does it have both
Both jews and gen both jews and greek both jew and greek then over the page romans 2
They've got both jew and gentile. They've changed it
And romans 2 9 2 10 they put jew and gentile. So this french jew and gentile is fake
It should be jew the height and greek not jew and gentile
Yes, well, I'm glad you said that because I've done a whole podcast on on this subject with
Pretty much with william with william think
who
Heartily disapproves of this what this invented word
Gentile which comes from the vulgate doesn't it from it's a it's a lazy translation of gentilis
Which jerome somehow decided to use but it means nothing
No, well originally it meant non-roman. So I've read
It means the nation right. What's what's what's the actual greek word that that's that?
Um ethnos ethnos the nations exactly yeah
Nations yeah, yeah, where we get ethnicity and the sort of thing from but you've got so many biblical scholars talking
Talking about jews and gentiles as if these words had any meaning and they just yeah, yeah
It should be jew the height and greek
Now the jew the heights that's the house of jewder and the greeks
John 735 is he about to go to the dispersion of the greeks and teach the greeks the greeks where the dispersed disraelites
That's why the new tessaments in greek. That's why paul went to these greek places
Because that's where the dispersed disraelites were and that vision in acts chapter 10 that peter has
through the sheet that's lowered and he sees
Fish and serpents and animals
These are all
Names that the house of jewder were calling dispersed israelites. It's all over the old testament
So is it your contention?
Because this would be quite controversial. Um, is it your contention that
paul was basically
Bringing the dispersed israelites back to the fold. He wasn't he wasn't after other other
Races he was just basically
Bringing god's chosen people
The the 12 the 12 tribes back to their
Back home
Right, so you know about this. Yes
The new covenant
Is expressed in jeremiah 31
The whole of the days are coming when I will make a new covenant with the house of israel and the house of jewder
And then jesus last supper
He makes the pronounces in new covenant and it's cited in hebra's eight verse eight exactly the words of jeremiah
I'll make a new covenant with the house of israel and the house of jewder. Those are the covenant people
There's no covenant with jews and Gentiles. Nowhere is that written however
However, a lot of
British israelites would
Disagree with me and do disagree with me very strongly because they say
Only israelites can be saved and I really object that I hate that teaching with every fiber of my being
And yes in two kings
No, sorry, I think it's two chronicles chapter six. It talks about others
You know coming foreigners who are not of the house of israel
It says this and so in two kings. Yeah
Two chronicles, I think I'll turn to it just so I'm very glad you said this
Christopher because it makes me uncomfortable too. I think of
people
Of african heritage, for example, or maybe people from south america who may be descended from
Mayans who sacrificed loads of people to the gods but have then then found
Found christ
Yeah, are we just are we saying yeah, but they don't count because they were never they were never one of god's chosen people
So they're they're going to burn in it. I don't believe that I don't believe that
It's not true
No, it's a horrible teaching
and it is fine
Here we are two chronicles 6 32
This is Solomon praying and also concerning the foreigner who is not from among your people israel
That has come from a far country
For the sake of your awesome name and your mighty hand and your outstretched arm
If they come and pray towards this house, then hear from the heavens
two chronicles 6 32 so there we have it
And so I get people writing to me who are not
Caucasian origin, you know, and they love christ and they understand what I tell them and they're hungry
and
That's one of them who absolutely loves he's asian young asian man
He absolutely loves all this about you know, the white Caucasian Israelites and this whole history
and so
Yes, anybody who comes to christ
Who wants to come to the father and come through christ with a shed blood of christ is going to be forgiven
You know if you were running a business and two people upset you
A european and an african and they both sobbed with apology you forgive both of them
Well, is god not more merciful than us?
His loving kindness is better than life itself
Yes, for thy loving kindness is better than the life itself
Yeah, so this teaching that only white europeans can be saved. I kick it into the sea of forgetfulness
It's wrong
Which psalm is that?
63
First oh, right. Sorry
The one we were just talking about only that one. Yeah. Yeah
So yeah god is merciful
That's good. Okay. I'm glad we've sorted that one out christopher. Um, so we definitely agree on that so um
What
Tell me
Jesus is the son of god, isn't he?
Yes
Few few. Yeah. Yes
Oh
You know, I was really what seriously. I was really worried about that one. I thought you were going to tell me that he wasn't
Ah, right
Yes, yes, I'm really relieved
Good good
good, um, oh and of course there's there are huge schisms
um between the
The orthodox and probably everyone else. I don't know about the filio quay
Do you know about the filio quay?
No, obviously
Well, let's not address it here because if you don't know about it, it's just okay
Whether the the father comes. Oh, no, I can't I can't do it. My my brother's just gone orthodox and
he
You know it now matters to him because that's a doctrinal
thing which is um, I'm quite
I'm quite naughty in a way and that I I'm not
Going to commit to any one particular like I love you evangelicals
But I do have certain problems with
With you or not
Which is okay. Well, I'll give you I'll give you okay. I'll give you an example
This is quite naughty of me, but but okay, so
the other day I
I for whatever reason I I
Went and had tea with this
Evangelical guy and he's you know a man of a man of God and unlike you
He could tell me the exact day and hour on which he found God that God came to him and and he was born again and
and blah blah blah
And we had we had talks about the Psalms and it was great
And then he started talking to me about israel
And he spoke he spoke complete bollocks stuff that I know to be
Untrue. I mean he was he was sort of he'd fallen for the Zionist fallacy
The the the stuff that a lot of the kind of evangelical Christians
Actually, are the evangelicals the Christians in America believe about about the nature of Israel and stuff. Yeah, and I thought
so
God's come to you
in whenever it was 1975 on
two o'clock in the afternoon on a on a Tuesday and and and you're clearly filled with the spirit and I can tell you
But he's not vouched safe to you some certain key details. How do I reconcile that with you? You can't
You can't play the top trumps game of of look
I was I found God
I was born again on this day
but you
And yet tell me this bollocks you're spouting, you know, do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah, mainstream stuff
And I get people comment on my video certainty
unattractive and actually do you know what prideful the kind of the sort of
We know that why why pride is considered the worst sin
Why I always have to try and stop it in myself because it's quite tempting
But that's that's that's lucifer's sin
Well
Lucifer is another fiction
That should be translated venus
In Isaiah 14 verse 12
Now you're really bubbled
you are
It says
What the son of the morning he's venus
Well, that's gonna ruin that the morning lucifer's one afternoon morning
Yeah, it's about the king of Babylon
and
You said about pride rising up. Well, this happened to the king of tyre. His name was hyron
And he's spoken about in Ezekiel 28 and people say oh look that's satan because it said eason says eden
Well, there were other places called eden at that time
of Ezekiel it's mentioned and um
But it's about the king of hyrum who was out of the tribe of naftali
He's an israelite and they're calling him satan
A man who was a friend of king david a friend of Solomon helped build the temple
Okay, so
There was no lucifer no
Well, the luciferians are going to be in trouble. And aren't they yes, they've been using the wrong name all this time
I presume, you know the light paper
Yeah
Yeah, well when that first came out they asked me for an article about this
And I said no that there is no satan
And of course some people hate this because they love having satan in the world
Because it's somebody to blame but
what
um
Strikes at the heart of human pride is that all sin and evil comes from the human heart from within Jesus said this
Right now mark 7 15 Jesus says there is nothing outside a man that can defy with him nothing
So, okay, so
If
So all the traditions in your in your understanding about the fallen angels the
Yeah, tell me about this. Let's talk about the nephilim
that that's union genesis where where the
The uh
The sons of the what is it they find the gods the sons of god go on the daughters of men attractive so they decide to
Shacken yes
Well, they're mixing with women. They should not have mixed with there's nothing in there to say that they're fallen angels
I uploaded a video just this morning about this my video number 309
It's entitled the sons of god and it deals with this subject
So in hebrew sons of god is benih el rohim
And in one translation the jps jewish publication society they put divine beings
Well, it's benih el rohim, which means sons of god. They're not divine beings
And there's nothing to say that these nephilim are woo woo creepy spirits
It just says that um, you know, yeah
They
They were different different peoples and they were canaanites
How do I know that because after the flood they reappear in numbers 13 33
So you remember the story of joshua and calab men of a different spirit
Who go over into enemy lines and spy the nephilim and come back and say we can take them
The nephilim were a canaanite tribe of men. They weren't woo woo creepy spirits
So the nephilim genesis six is what does nephilim mean?
For well, it's believed that it means fallen
Right. Well, that sounds like fallen fallen wise. It's a plural word. It can mean for fallen ones. It could be
Yeah, so you don't think
Um
Not fallen angels doesn't say that
You're really upsetting me now, um christopher. This is i mean, okay
So i'm relieved to hear that jesus is the son of god, but i'm now very bothered by your um
because obviously i'm quite invested in the and the um
and lucifer and
okay, so
um
you're you're
You maintain that
The text does not support the claim that i mean i i agree that it's quite sketchy on on the on this this
supposed war in heaven where
a third of the heavenly house get
cast
down
um
It's it it's it's quite fragmentary isn't it it's description of that if at all and you're saying it doesn't even happen
Well, it's in it's in revelation chapter 12
And it's about that time of the day of the lord a revelation 110 john says i was in the spirit on the day of the lord
and
So that's what revelation is all about that three and a half year period of the day of the lord
And revelation 12 is an event in the time of that
um
Where it says war in heaven it means among the leaders
Now, where do i get this from genesis 2 4 isiah 1 2 isiah 110
revelation 12 itself the heavens and the earth
Genesis 2 4 these are the generations of the heavens and the earth right
generations
sky and
Clouds and plods of earth do not have children. It's talk talking about rulers
and those ruled
and this is
excuse me
emphasized in isiah 1 verse 2 here are heavens here are earth again clouds and
Plods of earth don't have ears and then a few verses later verse 10
Isiah
Describes what he's talking about
Rulers and those ruled so that's what heavens and earth means
in revelation 12
And this war in heaven it means war among the rulers
War among the rulers
And then where it says the serpent has
Hulled down cast down this is biblical language
in my translation
These passages are footnoted
The hull to the ground it's even talks about the word of god falling to the ground in one place in two kings
I think it is
and so I footnoted all these
Hull to the ground we use it in english, you know that
Derek is a cocky son. So he needs bringing down to earth
He needs bringing down to the ground. It's used in english. Where did we get it from? It's a hebra
Idiom and a greek idiom. That's where we got it from. Okay, and hull to the ground. It's used in isiah
14 about the king of Babylon, you know, he was been a son of the morning
So he was like the morning star had a great reputation
But because of his pride, he was hulled to the ground and brought down
okay, um
So how has this actively changed your I mean I sort of asked this before but
How's this shifted your
The application of your faith and your your your christian practice
Right now, yeah, this is perhaps the most relevant question
I said earlier that the 1980s were a bit chaos for me because I still believed and trusted the church bibles
And you know the word of man the word of flesh cannot save you
As these bibles are a mixture of flesh and spirit
And when I started finding out the truth, you know what the bible is really about. I mean this is
30 years
of daily
intense study
Getting up in the middle of the night to go down and check things. Oh, does it really say
You know ice ton I own not in John 11 26. Does it really say this and yes? Yes, it does
So this intense obsessive study for over 30 years, you know, you pick up biblical language
and so
When you're stripped of this mainstream
religion
You're left in the wilderness
You cannot be part of the church system and the church bibles
Because you want only one thing the word of god translated properly and then you're in the wilderness
Well, that's when Moses found god
And John the Baptist and Jesus and Paul and Elijah
So if it's good enough for them, you know, god of the wilderness and the desert
Pardon and the desert fathers
All the all the all the all the monks they went into the desert
Oh, well
Did they what did they come back with you know, this is always the point I just
and so I
formulated
targets and laws to
What should I say test myself? I was walking down my drive. Oh, I don't know when
Couple of decades ago. All right sparks. Why are you right about John 11 26?
Now, how can I defend it? Well, it's grammar
It's grammar. So all right, then I started
To get a list of translating laws. So I've got grammar internal harmony
logic
research and text
And then I thought all right
What is the target of those accuracy clarity and literariness? So accuracy
So it would translate back
You know, it's grammatically correct then
second clarity
Well
Exodus 38 verse 4 in the kjv is just that's a gobbledygook
Adam Nickerson raises a passage in 2 Corinthians 6
Be enlarged in your bowels or something
It was straightened in your bowels
And they wear gobbledygook. Yeah. So that's Nickerson and
So clarity and so I had had this in my head, you know
I want a young question to be able to understand this
Make it clear
Make it accurate and then my third translating target
Literariness. So this means recovering idioms figures of speech word order
And these have been lost in all the bibles. Yes, and in the kjv too. There are idioms that they just wipe out
And word order that they just wipe out when you've got the proper word order. It's far more emotive
and
but in terms of how you live your life and
What do you think it's going to happen to you? What do you think makes what do you think you need to do to be a Christian?
Has that changed at all?
Right. Well, it has to come from God
You can't decide
I want to be a Christian because you don't know what it is
You can go to church and say your prayers and read a bible and think you're a Christian
but when God
breathes his spirit into you
Then you really know what it is. So when it's happened to you, you know, but it's not something you can do
It's something that God does
and so
Removing from me all these
false
Props of mainstream religion and throwing me onto a proper translation. So I live in a world
An earth underneath a firmament with God beyond that with Christ sitting at his right hand and the angels
And those who were raptured in AD 70 they are there and we are down here
There are no woo woo demons and satans and lucifer and wobbly spirits
There's just when you say that you say that
ex-cathedra
How do you know they're demons?
I don't say ex-cathedra. I say in cathedra because
I know
that
God created no such things because if he did they would be in the bible
But of course people do say well satans in the bible. What about jove? I'm always getting this. What about jove?
What about jove? Well jove chapter 16 describes jove's enemy. He's a human
and
Zah another word for enemy and an avil
An ungodly
Man, he's a bully and a thug and he's taken a dislike to jove. So as I say he's described in chapter 16
So the word satan in jove one and two shall be written enemy lowercase
There is no satan throughout the whole of the word of god
Everywhere that word appears should be crossed out and above it right in lowercase enemy or adversary
And and when when when jesus casts that evil spirits, what's he what's he casting out?
Right now
I've been promising for a long time to make a video about this but other things keep coming to the surface that I need to deal with
That I have handwritten the script
So it's a variety of things
So it's possession in the mind
strongholds of immorality
strongholds of false teaching and sometimes it's a physical obstruction
Such as causing deafness or muteness
So it's a variety of things and in mark where it says has the phrase unclean spirits. These are the people
Now the word spirit is often used for people
And in case of the kingdom bible pabry is 12 9 by footnote all the passages
Where spirit is put for people
But you know some don't want this they want all these
Willow stories and they're not true
so
um
I suppose I've
It was obvious question really
um
which is
I read a life recently of
George Herbert and
the
The priests in those days
were incredibly well educated. I mean
Herbert went to Westminster and was probably at about the age of 10 was probably where
The most advanced oxbridge scholars are on their
Greek course greek and latin and you know, he would he would have been fluent in greek latin and hebrew
um
Going back before then in in the early days when they were much closer to the time of of christ
They would have been
reading this stuff
presumably
in
In the original greek, so they would they would have had access to that they would have been been imbibing it
straight from the
straight from the source
um
They would they would have known these the nuances that you're talking about now
They would have been in no they wouldn't have had subsequent translations
clouding the waters and muddying the issue
so
If they didn't
See these things how come you're seeing them now?
Well, why don't they get these traditions that are accumulating a complete rubbish?
Why was it do you have to wait until the 21st century for you christopher putt sparks to to be
The the the revealer
Right. Well, I'm not the first George Herbert would have had these translations. I mean he was 17th century, wasn't he?
Yeah, he had the translations
But also dominant was the latin vulgate, which is
You know another institution bible
So they would have been trusting those and how many I mean did George Herbert go to the greek and
The hebra manuscripts. I don't know. I've only read his power. I don't know
But I was using him as a sort of a type of that of that period of the sort of the the scholar
That somebody must have been reading the greek and somebody must have known then the stuff you're talking about
Yes, yes
I have a book called the protesters. I was trying to find it last night. It's um
in the pile of books
to my right here
Piled up the wrong way to fit them all in as I can't find it at the moment
But the protesters gives the history of some of these others who did know truths
And so it hasn't all just
Oh
Maybe within the last 20 years or so
I wish the protesters I'll have to pull out all my books from that shelf and
And draw it up. But that's what it's called the protesters written by a woman whose name I forget
But you see from the very beginning
the
forming
That the church fathers, you know, they taught some pagan things like the immortal soul
And then the roman church
And then the protestant church. There was this religion of christianity
And it's creeds
So no ridley and kranmer. I think was wrote the 39 articles of the church of england. Well, it starts with this three god system
So all these beliefs
You know trinity satan
Hell immortal soul all these things were so embedded in the culture and
um
You know, I read um, I've been reading recently
I've read a book on van ek the dutch painter. I've read one on
Titian
And what was the other one caravaggio and rubens
And no these
Painters, I mean these are books i've had for a while except the caravaggio is new but the others had for a long time
I'm rereading them and you see these paintings that they were commissioned to write it's upholding
All the formal christianity, you know popes and fish hats and bishops in fish hats
And feet off the ground halos over their head
trinities in the heaven
devils and little demons
cherubim
Little babies floating in the sky
So the whole of the culture
was drunk
with this
false religion and in isiah it's written truth
stumbled in the street
So the whole of the western world was so saturated with this
Mixture this pagan religion mixed with christianity and this is
Discomforting and destabilizing to many people but i'm afraid it's true
Well, it is. I mean it's quite shocking because what you're kind of saying
I mean, I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I mean it's it's not an unreasonable
um
inference
Is that
Pretty much everything
in christianity
since the original
Bible the original greek and the original hebrew
is just kind of
Wu and pagan bollocks
So all those
Yeah, but but yeah, most of that. I mean we see you're you're you're
I mean
Is it your understanding that all those
Monks who went out you sounded quite dismissive of them all the all the desert monks who went to live out in in caves in the desert
contemplating stuff and and
all the great
thinkers on christianity or
or gustin or
whoever all the great thinkers
they were all
using
false information to draw
false conclusions and that they didn't guide us towards the light but but steered us away from it in some ways
But well, I don't know about those monks, you know, the test is what did they come back with?
What were they saying?
But you know, it hasn't all they written out of the calia
So you can read it
They talk about demons quite a lot, which we say you'd be quite dismissive of that
Yes, I don't believe that there are these living evil spirits
I
Don't believe it. I don't believe that's biblically that's the letter of james. He describes demonic as meaning that which is
Natural and of the flesh flesh nature natural
And
so
The story of the pigs
You know the man in gas and ganasorette with the pigs
Who says he's got a legion of demons in him?
He does and yet people will believe that crazy madman who had to be shackled
They get their doctrine from him
Not from what jesus did and what jesus said
Um
I I'm gonna have to obviously i'm gonna have to get hold of your your bible
I find
what you say
really interesting and
seductive
in
some ways
But I think you're wrong about demons
I think you're totally wrong
Well, where did they come from?
Well, I don't know
No, well exactly. Yes, that's the question
and
but so
You know the book of revelation about mystery Babylon. This is Jerusalem in rebellion, which was destroyed in 80 70
and ever since then we have had
Influential men theologians and so on pushing themselves forward the influential the rich the wealthy
And they created this religion and the church fathers again influential
and
So powerful men have created this and they've created a mixture of bible and pagan bible and Babylon
So mystery Babylon has resurfaced
But when the word of god is translated properly, you'll get in a different story
So I was thinking about this actually because I've been
As we've been talking I've been trying to
Formulate a kind of an instant reaction an instant view of what you've been saying, which is which is really interesting
but
It seems to me that on
Some level you're not that
You don't really believe in the supernatural very much
Only
You're saved but but that's that's supernatural means above natural. Yes. I only believe
In god and christ and the angels
What about oh, you do believe in angels and and and do they do they appear on earth?
Well, we don't know what they're doing because we're not told
So all the people who came to have been visited by angels over the years
Were they talking bollocks or do you believe them?
well
I wouldn't say that because I don't know their cases
Uh, you know, I'd like to be james or any of them like to judge but
Uh, do we need the appearance of angels? No, we've got the word of god
Well, I don't know. I I find there's something kind of
It's almost
Sterile about about your your worldview. There's I mean
You're very confident you've you've you've got you know, you talk about the moment when you were
When you were filled with the when you were born again, yeah, yeah, but then then
I
Quite like the constant
search for
trying to live a godly life and and and and
Seeking for signs of god, which he don't I mean it seems to me that he that that that faith is a living thing
It's a living. It's it's an ongoing experience that
God speaks to us. He gives us little signs to show. He's there. He has a sense of humor
He I I feel him all around me and and speaking to me. I don't I don't I don't get that from you, but maybe i'm wrong
Well, the words that I hear are the words of scripture
Now sometimes I feel that god is saying something else to me
That's not from the scripture, but you know, I'll be very careful how I rephrase that
You know, I'm not going to go around saying god's told me to do this god's told me to do that
People do that and then something goes wrong
And you know god told me to marry such and such a woman somebody might say and then they get divorced
And well, they weren't right were they?
You know or something else perhaps that's not the best example
But uh, you know, I'm conscious conscious of god's presence as you were saying yourself
Yes, I'm very conscious of god's presence
and
I'm constantly he or mostly constantly
Electrified about this truth of god and there's nothing more exciting
And to have discovered his real truth and to translate the bible grammatically
And I don't need all these other stories
Of another supernatural you see the first commandment you shall have no other gods before me
exodus 20 deuteronomy 5 no other gods
What were the kings of israel constantly rebuked for by god's prophets turning aside to other gods?
And to me, you know, there's satans demons trinity
This is turning aside to other gods and it's forbidden and we shouldn't be doing it
And it's not biblical. You know, they're not biblical truths. So this is sin
Creating all this behind on a second. You're saying that when I'm looking for signs from god
I'm basically
Worshiping false idols. No, not if you're looking for signs from no, not if you're looking for signs from god
No, that's that's fine. Well, that's who I'm asking that's who I'm asking for
But no, what I'm saying is that this invention of satan and hell and
Well, yeah, I tell you what
The satanists are going to be after you or the lysoferians because they've been
For thousands of years
They've been busily sacrificing children to their dark overlords to apparently no end whatsoever
Yes, and some of the Israelites did this and they sacrificed horses as well
And they've made their sons pass through the fire
So children on horses
What they put the children on the horses
No, no, the horse a separate sacrifice
And this is in the bible. I don't agree with that. I don't remember that scene
Oh, it's in two kings sacrificing horses
really
Bastants yeah and making their children their sons pass through fire
And so that's all goes on by the way
Oh, I know
Yeah, of course it does
Yeah, this is wicked
um
I was going to um
Sorry, my wife just brought me some tea and I was going to ask you an important before we go
I was going to ask you something that came to me. Um
Yeah
Where oh you've got some tea as well. Hmm. Is that you you've managed to there must be cold by now
Yes, it is
It's green tea
I love green tea after my lunch
I don't drink coffee in the afternoon the hungarians say of coffee. It's medicine in the morning poison in the afternoon
That's that's good old hungarians. They're right
Now say it in hungarian
Oh, no, I can't do that
I could make something
You might not know the difference
Even the hungarians even the hungarians can't speak hungarian. It's so hard. Well, so um
What um, yeah
Where are your miracles?
They're created by god
and christ
Yeah, but but and
Do they do they happen?
Yes
Yes, of course. Yes, they do
Well, if you I'm glad you I'm glad you acknowledge that one
I was going to I was getting worried that you were going to take all the fun out of of christianity. Oh, no 30 years ago
I had an upset stomach. I don't know why
But it was my stomach was just in agony. I must have eaten something that didn't agree with me
and um, I got fed up with it and after you know
Take back in those days. I didn't know about keeping off pharmaceuticals like I know now
And um, so after four days of you know pharmaceutical pills not working
I lay on the floor for half an hour and prayed and it went
How long did you pray for
So you sit up now 20 to 30 minutes something like that. Yes
Yes, I believe in miracles. Yes
That they don't happen as often as they did when jesus was around in the apostles
because
he was
Anointed with power by the spirit of god to
draw attention to his office as the messiah of israel
And we are not given those same powers
But some things still do happen which we have to say like a friend of mine was part
At a traffic light and the you know, the lights were red and then they turned green and just for some reason
She didn't take off straight away
She doesn't know why
And then a car came roaring past through the red lights the other way about 80 miles an hour and she'd have gone smack into him
What held her back
Yeah, I'd like to think so and we've all got many stories. I'll tell you something
This is pretty amazing. You know, I don't look for signs
I trust the word of god and I don't look for signs. I really don't but a few years ago
I got a very nasty letter at the beginning of the lockdown
2020
in May or June, I got a
really nasty
typed letter
From somebody say I love you. You foul some creature and I hate hate hate your friends
37 pages written like that
and then saying that
He was going through
This fellow whoever he was
Was going to do this and that and threaten me to not publish any more books
So I went for a walk
I'm a South Dan Hills an area that is known as old Winchester Hill
And I walked the afternoon and they're praying about this
and at that time I was going to call my
Translation I just come up with the title the keys of the kingdom bible then I get this threat
That there'll be consequences
and this nasty letter
Not signed
And so I go walk on the hills praying about this. I sit on the hill looking down over the sea
Then it starts raining. So I walk back to my car in the car park
Park next to my car is a car with a registration
KTK
No, sorry G4
KTK and I looked at it and I read go for keys of the kingdom
Well
Pretty remarkable
That's that that's a great story
But you see the thing is
Obviously that the guy was it was demons telling him to to write that
That's the thing the reason he wrote it. It was because I said I didn't believe in satan
Yeah, well, that's so the demons would would pissed off as they would be well now
He was pissed off. You see you're letting him off the hook James
He was pissed off
And he wrote this nasty letter
So we're never we're never going to agree on this Christopher
I
You might do when I make my video series on demons
You might well do
So, you know, never say never
Out of my out of my cold dead hands when you take my demons away from me
Why do you want them?
because I just believe in the truth and it's very important to me and
I I I just know too much about demons to for them not to be not to be real
Well, you shouldn't
You know, this is a distraction. Your mind should be focused on
God and Christ and
Your own mind and anything
I think it is
I think that's in you. That's not of God is from your heart. Jesus says Matthew 15 19 mark 7 15
Romans 132
The lusts of their own heart Paul says
Well, I should be very interested to read your your um
translations of the Psalms particularly just because I I I
Obviously know them better than other bits. Um, yes, I love the Psalms by yourself. I absolutely love them
They're the prayers we should be praying
Well, I mean, they're the basis of all prayers aren't they all most prayers
they seem to
um
Yes, I I had this very interesting thing the other day about about um
praise Psalms
um
Which I won't give you I won't give the details because because you're just you're just you'll just think it's woo woo
but
What I will say to you is that
God
Definitely likes the praise Psalms. He does. He's just they make him happy
He's not he
The idea that God is just so far above this stuff that you like whatever, you know, he he actually
Does like it when you sing the praise Psalms
But
So good you should say that because just this morning I wrote to a friend and I said ringing in my ears
There's from the Psalms sing praises
And I mean, this is throughout the Psalms and
A friend of mine
Write a book about this by worshiping in spirit and truth. She's a professional musician and
Bible believer and worshiping in spirit and truth and she calls it the river of life
I love that
Yeah
Yeah, rejoice in the Lord. Are you righteous for it become with wealth just to be thankful
Um, very good. That's a good one. And I it's quite interesting because that that is the number that the enemy uses
um, that particular psalm psalm 33
And it's almost as though the whoever numbered the Psalms
shows a particular
a particularly good psalm
to
To throw it back in the enemy's face
Um, anyway, um, Christopher, it's been an absolute pleasure
Talking to you. Oh, I I just wanted to actually point out
One other thing well rather compliment you on the point you made
so
um
In your essay
you
You raise objections to a phrase from the king james bible
Which i'd always
thought as a
as an absolute classic of
of the kjv
One of those wonderfully sonorous
phrases in which the the translators
specialized
And you you didn't completely change my view on it, but you you did actually give me pause
and the phrase is
sufficient unto the day
Is the evil thereof
Um, as you know, it's from it's from the end of that Matthew six. Um, and
You criticizes it as the kind of
high-faluting
sort of
Latinate
incomprehensible to the
ordinary folk phrases in which these these scholars
Which these scholars use to kind of distance distance us from the word of God
Is that is that a fair summary of what your view on that line?
Yes, I might be a little softer on that line out. Where did you read me you wrote an essay about it?
You wrote and you mentioned that and I think where where did I publish that?
On your website, I think I was it on my website, right? Yeah. Well, there are far worse phrases
exodus 38 verse 4
But no, um concerning that sufficient for the day
What I like to do is try to reproduce the word order of the greek
Yeah, that's what I like to do and on the kjv on the title page
It has appointed to be read in churches in other words not by the playboy at home
but
Explained to you by other priests and bishops. Yeah. Yeah
Hmm
The reason I think that um
I I still go both ways on that phrase I can
When I first came upon that phrase, I did not know what it meant at all
You've really got to work harder to understand
That it means
essentially
There's enough bad stuff that goes on in one day without having to worry about the one about tomorrow
um
but
Even though it's kind of all but incomprehensible at the same time I can see
that
to people who would have been familiar
with
say
Horace's Odes as they probably would have been
They were drawn towards the epigrammatic
so
I imagine that that those who who are familiar with the the great
Latin authors like like Horace
will
Will be able to relish
The condensed ideas in in in those epigrammatic latin phrases and we're trying to recapture that in
English
So I sort of I don't hate them for what they were trying to do
And I think that that that is quite successful once you understand it, but at the same time it is kind of
elitist
Well, yes
I'm trying to remember the name of the
scholar
The um, William Tyndale scholar
Who died a few years ago? I was wanting to meet him and then he he went and died on me, but was he killed
Pardon
Was he killed by the enemy? No. No, he wasn't no
No, he's recent. Uh, you know, I died a few years ago
I just can't remember his name, but he raised this how
No, so I came across it when I was first doing this translation
that um
Oh Daniel that was his surname
Daniel with an ending in a double l David Daniel, perhaps
um
And he raised this about it being latin it
and so
not easy for
Uneducated peoples. I mean, I'll give you a tiny example. Matthew 23 starts
Then jesus said
That's the order jesus said, but they put then sayeth jesus. So they put the verb sayeth before jesus. Why?
The greek doesn't but that's just a tiny example
um microcosm
of what they've done
but um
but to me
the the worst thing is their
shipwrecking of all the major
themes of the word of god and their persecution of christians
um at the hand of the
king
and
So no all their false teachings
They have vaccinated into the word of god and so I would like to say to you
The word of god has never been translated properly in the english language
Well, that is a bold statement and i'm
It's a very good way to end the podcast and people can be tell us christopher where we can
Read the the best so far translation
presumably it is in your view of
the bible
Yeah, well there are over 5 000 footnotes giving strong concordance references
There are appendices as a preface
and so
I when I make a translation that's unexpected I lay it bare
with
footnotes
And so everybody can go and check and a year and a half ago. I did a series of videos
And um and I kept saying on the videos
Please go away and check these and one woman was coming back saying I'm checking everything you're saying and you're right
It's true what you say. So it's on my website keysofthekingdombible.com
And then I've got a youtube channel keys of the kingdom holy bible
good um well
Thank you christopher and everyone else if you've enjoyed this podcast, which obviously you have because
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And thank you for your support. Um, yeah, thank you christopher again
So thank you james. It's been a delight talking to you, and I hope we can talk again
And perhaps even meet at one of those crazy festivals
Yes, yes, yes stand in the light
my first article in the light paper was the
Word of god has never been translated properly in the English language. That was my first article for