WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.320 Really, there's gonna be a new world order out there. 00:49.640 --> 00:52.400 I've said on several occasions that I wouldn't comment about. 01:09.820 --> 01:12.000 Rawls of y'all, welcome to the What Is Truth podcast. 01:12.260 --> 01:14.140 I am your host, Weezy. 01:14.640 --> 01:19.080 I'm joined by my friend, Ms. Ashley from Think, Change, Repeat. 01:19.920 --> 01:21.340 That's her email address, by the way. 01:22.220 --> 01:22.780 What's up, Ashley? 01:24.320 --> 01:25.620 Hello, how's it going? 01:26.700 --> 01:27.360 Doing good. 01:27.540 --> 01:30.020 I'm just running like a chicken with his head cut off. 01:30.180 --> 01:30.820 But here we are. 01:31.360 --> 01:31.620 We're here. 01:32.140 --> 01:32.920 Staying warm. 01:34.140 --> 01:36.860 It's a cold front if you are on the east coast. 01:37.720 --> 01:42.940 Apparently, we may even receive snow, perhaps tonight or tomorrow, 01:43.060 --> 01:44.860 supposedly, to see what happens. 01:45.600 --> 01:46.660 How are you holding up? 01:47.940 --> 01:51.280 We have been, I think everybody probably knows. 01:51.540 --> 01:54.180 But last weekend, you know, we had a little bit of a weather 01:54.180 --> 01:57.300 event that was unusual for Central North Carolina, ended up 01:57.300 --> 01:58.120 being a bunch of sleet. 01:58.120 --> 02:02.700 And then today, it started snowing and it hasn't stopped yet. 02:02.880 --> 02:07.680 So I'm just hunkered down trying to, you know, ride it out. 02:07.780 --> 02:08.620 And I've been busy today. 02:08.840 --> 02:10.360 I had my podcast earlier. 02:10.860 --> 02:11.820 I'm on with you. 02:12.060 --> 02:14.920 I was trying to do some notes and all that good stuff 02:14.920 --> 02:16.340 earlier today. 02:16.780 --> 02:20.140 So, you know, we're just running it out. 02:21.720 --> 02:22.500 Hell, yeah. 02:23.380 --> 02:25.720 Yeah, so before we get started, I 02:25.720 --> 02:31.520 want to give a little caveat or parental advisory. 02:32.100 --> 02:34.400 This will be explicit content, but not 02:34.400 --> 02:36.340 in the normal wheezy explicit. 02:38.200 --> 02:40.600 But rather, I mean, it could be a dark subject. 02:41.400 --> 02:48.600 We will be hitting on ritual abuse, which is not a topic 02:48.600 --> 02:50.060 that I normally hit. 02:50.680 --> 02:52.040 There's a couple of reasons why. 02:53.680 --> 02:58.620 For one, any time children or innocent people are hurt, 02:58.740 --> 02:59.980 I don't want to know about it. 03:00.060 --> 03:03.440 I know it happens, but I want to shelter myself from it. 03:03.700 --> 03:05.000 It angers me. 03:05.360 --> 03:06.240 It pisses me off. 03:06.360 --> 03:06.960 It saddens me. 03:07.680 --> 03:09.760 And so that's one of the reasons why 03:09.760 --> 03:10.780 I don't talk about it too much. 03:11.000 --> 03:12.640 So it's not for any other reason. 03:12.900 --> 03:13.720 That's the biggest reason. 03:14.580 --> 03:16.920 And then, so having said that, I 03:16.920 --> 03:18.360 don't know too much about the subject. 03:19.340 --> 03:20.900 But that's why I brought my friend, 03:20.900 --> 03:24.720 my lovely friend, Ashley, to give us some insights into it. 03:25.360 --> 03:26.640 You've been reading a book, right? 03:26.900 --> 03:28.080 And what's the name of the book? 03:28.400 --> 03:34.640 And what is I mean, this is something 03:34.640 --> 03:36.420 that you've covered quite in death, right? 03:37.620 --> 03:39.260 So it's something that I have been ever 03:39.260 --> 03:42.360 since it was put on my radar about some of the connections. 03:42.620 --> 03:45.500 Of course, the Epstein story, which we've talked about, 03:45.600 --> 03:47.440 we're going to try to get into that today as well. 03:47.980 --> 03:50.060 But it has been on my radar. 03:50.440 --> 03:52.660 And then I have a good friend who 03:52.660 --> 03:54.260 we talk about this stuff a lot. 03:54.500 --> 03:56.960 So there's a lot of other connections. 03:57.240 --> 03:59.300 Of course, there is an introduction 03:59.300 --> 04:02.660 to that in PTK by Dave McGowan as well 04:02.660 --> 04:06.560 that gives some good introductory information 04:06.560 --> 04:07.560 on this subject. 04:07.860 --> 04:11.220 So I definitely do not consider myself to be an expert. 04:11.440 --> 04:14.020 And I want everybody to know that I'm not claiming to be. 04:14.360 --> 04:16.580 I just want to bring up some things that I have found 04:16.580 --> 04:19.740 and start making some connections 04:19.740 --> 04:21.660 and give a little more information 04:21.660 --> 04:23.260 that doesn't get talked about a lot. 04:23.340 --> 04:26.200 Because a lot of people do talk about this subject, 04:26.320 --> 04:27.840 but I don't hear a lot of people talk 04:27.840 --> 04:33.100 about this specific book, which covers some things really 04:33.100 --> 04:34.900 from a therapist type perspective 04:34.900 --> 04:38.720 or a society type perspective, in addition 04:38.720 --> 04:42.040 to covering on not a lot of specifics, 04:42.200 --> 04:44.020 but just the abuse that has happened. 04:44.020 --> 04:45.440 So the book that we're talking about today 04:45.440 --> 04:48.220 is Ritual Abuse in the 21st Century. 04:48.400 --> 04:51.700 And that is by Randy Knoblett and his wife Pamela Knoblett. 04:52.980 --> 04:57.760 And so they have done other work on this subject. 04:57.900 --> 04:59.140 They have several other books. 04:59.380 --> 05:01.360 Some are more difficult to find than others. 05:01.900 --> 05:04.760 This one is available on Amazon and probably, 05:05.140 --> 05:07.620 not one of the ones that has been heavily censored 05:07.620 --> 05:09.560 with like a $600 price tag. 05:11.060 --> 05:12.300 So it is accessible, 05:12.300 --> 05:16.200 but I must say that it has really been a grind for me to read. 05:16.540 --> 05:18.540 I'm glad for the valuable information, 05:18.680 --> 05:19.900 but this has not been one 05:19.900 --> 05:22.600 that I was just able to get through in a couple of days. 05:22.880 --> 05:26.200 It's really been, it has taken a lot for me 05:26.200 --> 05:30.020 to keep grinding and to get through this book. 05:30.400 --> 05:31.940 So yep, that's it. 05:32.080 --> 05:32.840 Weezy has it pulled up. 05:33.500 --> 05:37.280 Yeah, and it's got several ratings on it. 05:37.380 --> 05:39.860 And one of the things that stands out immediately 05:40.520 --> 05:44.420 is how people really love the studies, 05:44.740 --> 05:47.120 the scientific approach taken to the subject. 05:47.560 --> 05:51.380 And the reason I say that is because when you talk 05:52.180 --> 05:54.360 ritual abuse in the mainstream, for example, 05:54.920 --> 05:58.620 it usually gets, you get weird looks like, 05:58.900 --> 06:00.100 oh, that's, that doesn't happen. 06:00.300 --> 06:01.340 That's fantastical. 06:02.720 --> 06:05.160 And if you've been following me for a while, 06:05.440 --> 06:07.460 we already, we're already skeptical of the mainstream. 06:07.460 --> 06:10.800 We already know the mainstream likes to smear certain things, 06:11.040 --> 06:14.260 smear our ways of looking at the world 06:15.300 --> 06:17.720 in what we perceive as reality. 06:18.880 --> 06:23.980 And ritual abuse is one of these subjects that gets mocked. 06:24.600 --> 06:26.800 And I'm of the mindset. 06:26.940 --> 06:30.420 I'm not saying I believe every aspect 06:30.420 --> 06:32.860 to these conspiracy theories on ritual abuse. 06:33.060 --> 06:35.920 I do think some of them could be indeed manufactured 06:35.920 --> 06:39.340 to make as loony and as fantastical as possible, 06:40.100 --> 06:42.860 precisely for that effect to make people 06:43.600 --> 06:46.520 kind of not want to get into it and like, oh, that's that's garbage. 06:46.740 --> 06:48.680 That's been debunked by Snopes.com. 06:49.020 --> 06:50.560 I'm not going to pay attention to that. 06:50.960 --> 06:52.580 And I think that's by design. 06:53.820 --> 06:56.860 However, when you really look down in some of these cases 06:56.860 --> 06:58.880 and maybe we'll touch on some of these 06:59.520 --> 07:01.440 after you do your presentation, actually. 07:01.660 --> 07:03.100 But when you really dig down, 07:03.200 --> 07:05.460 there's some aspects to some of these things 07:05.460 --> 07:10.020 that are like, wait a minute, OK, I can see how that's fantastical. 07:10.440 --> 07:13.020 But how in the hell do you explain this part? 07:13.540 --> 07:14.040 You know what I'm saying? 07:14.240 --> 07:18.660 So the fact that this book has scientific research 07:18.660 --> 07:23.280 and certain analysis, you know, that people can point out to 07:23.280 --> 07:26.580 and prove that this isn't in our heads. 07:26.820 --> 07:28.080 This isn't fantastical thinking. 07:28.360 --> 07:29.840 I think is is awesome. 07:30.060 --> 07:33.460 But like you said, you said you kind of struggled to get through it 07:33.460 --> 07:35.460 because of how technical it was, right? 07:38.140 --> 07:42.860 Yes. And it was just dry reading from from the perspective of like 07:42.860 --> 07:46.920 if you struggle with your attention and in your mind wondering 07:46.920 --> 07:49.920 when you're trying to read a nonfiction book, the way that I do, 07:50.000 --> 07:51.540 it is a struggle for me sometimes. 07:51.960 --> 07:55.460 So I definitely that this was not easy reading 07:55.460 --> 07:57.720 because there was a lot of technical information 07:57.720 --> 08:00.780 and just from more of an academic perspective. 08:01.500 --> 08:03.080 And I think that's good. 08:03.080 --> 08:04.240 And I think it was good for me. 08:04.360 --> 08:07.300 But personally, I just struggled with it. 08:07.360 --> 08:09.420 And I'm sure that, you know, a lot of people out there, 08:09.480 --> 08:11.160 if you made up your mind to read it, 08:11.160 --> 08:13.980 you probably wouldn't have the same hard time that I did. 08:15.120 --> 08:16.720 Getting through it. Yeah. 08:17.460 --> 08:20.480 No, I want to welcome other other new listeners as well. 08:21.020 --> 08:24.380 We had a banger of a show last week with Dana Duda. 08:25.080 --> 08:27.660 Freaking awesome. She came in and kicked ass. 08:29.740 --> 08:32.220 Got thousands of downloads over the last week. 08:32.220 --> 08:35.940 Pretty much everywhere the show, you know, 08:35.960 --> 08:38.680 if you listen to it on rumble on Spotify, everywhere, 08:38.840 --> 08:40.580 people really, really enjoyed that. 08:41.040 --> 08:42.740 So to all you new listeners, 08:43.680 --> 08:45.260 thank you and welcome. 08:45.760 --> 08:49.520 And I hope I have a feeling this one's going to be a banger as well, Ashley. 08:50.240 --> 08:54.140 And if you really like this show, I encourage you to go back 08:54.140 --> 08:56.520 and listen to several shows that we've done together. 08:56.680 --> 09:00.040 We did a killer Vietnam show. 09:00.040 --> 09:03.860 And as well as you, you've called in at other times 09:04.400 --> 09:06.500 when we've opened up the stream yard as well. 09:06.560 --> 09:10.060 So make sure you check those episodes out if you enjoy today's show. 09:11.220 --> 09:14.020 Definitely our Vietnam show. That was really, really good. 09:14.140 --> 09:15.740 We had a lot of great information. 09:16.120 --> 09:17.780 And one of the links that I had sent, 09:17.880 --> 09:20.000 Weezy was from Alternative Views TV. 09:20.480 --> 09:24.840 So there is a decent archive on YouTube of Alternative Views. 09:24.860 --> 09:28.440 But if you go to archive.org 09:28.440 --> 09:31.300 and you're looking for Alternative Views episodes, 09:31.580 --> 09:33.000 there are many more there. 09:33.200 --> 09:36.320 And one of the topics that they talk about is, quote, boys for sale 09:37.200 --> 09:40.980 and dealing with the issue of literally people. 09:42.160 --> 09:43.560 You know, I don't know. 09:43.660 --> 09:46.140 I know that Weezy already gave the warning to everybody 09:46.140 --> 09:48.300 that this is a very disturbing subject. 09:48.300 --> 09:50.200 So I just want to reiterate that. 09:50.340 --> 09:54.100 And when I talk about the stuff, I'm not trying to be callous. 09:54.180 --> 09:56.600 I just am going to tell you how it's presented. 09:56.600 --> 10:01.120 So boys for sale, which is them selling out and pimping out children 10:01.800 --> 10:04.120 and specifically in the Houston area 10:04.120 --> 10:06.600 and kind of how some of these networks were run. 10:07.320 --> 10:10.080 And part of that, they would use certain magazines. 10:10.440 --> 10:13.080 So sometimes they would be an adult magazine, but they do. 10:13.400 --> 10:18.600 If you remember from a certain from the Pizza Gate scandal, 10:19.120 --> 10:22.680 one of the things that came out of that was that certain symbols 10:22.680 --> 10:25.140 had been identified by the FBI 10:25.760 --> 10:30.040 that were used as a telltale to other pedophiles 10:30.040 --> 10:33.080 or other people who were interested in harming children. 10:33.580 --> 10:34.660 This would be an indicator. 10:34.820 --> 10:36.360 So one of those was like the blue spiral. 10:36.560 --> 10:39.660 It was the same spiral that was found in the in the pizza logo. 10:40.160 --> 10:43.940 And I'm not, you know, one of the other things 10:43.940 --> 10:47.160 that I want to reiterate, like what Weezy was saying, 10:47.720 --> 10:50.620 some of this stuff has deliberately been 10:52.160 --> 10:54.460 made to sound crazy. 10:55.780 --> 10:59.100 And I do think that there this is where we have to use 10:59.100 --> 11:01.460 our own personal discernment and pattern recognition 11:01.460 --> 11:04.320 and read as much legitimate literature 11:04.320 --> 11:07.460 surrounding that as we can and to try to come up 11:07.460 --> 11:11.160 with our own conclusions and to know like that this is probably 11:11.900 --> 11:14.480 some sort of a false narrative that's been fed to us 11:14.480 --> 11:16.820 or this is a legitimate problem. 11:17.160 --> 11:20.880 And I think that today we can make the case 11:20.880 --> 11:22.380 that this is a legitimate problem. 11:22.600 --> 11:27.220 And these are documented instances in the United States 11:27.220 --> 11:31.660 and abroad that are very well written about. 11:32.280 --> 11:34.460 So I just want to reiterate that. 11:35.020 --> 11:38.360 And one of the things from ritual abuse in the 21st century 11:38.360 --> 11:40.840 that is talked about is that there is a difference 11:40.840 --> 11:44.500 between what would be abuse, ritual abuse 11:44.500 --> 11:48.500 and even their nuances and categories within ritual abuse 11:48.500 --> 11:51.060 or what is referred to as satanic ritual abuse. 11:51.440 --> 11:56.900 So the original phrasing of that came from a survivor's memoir 11:56.900 --> 11:59.520 where she was talking about satanic ritual abuse, 12:00.020 --> 12:04.700 but everything it everything does not fall into that category. 12:04.700 --> 12:08.020 So I want to just put it out there 12:08.020 --> 12:10.920 not because I'm going to be speaking like it is, 12:10.920 --> 12:12.460 but these are things that I learned. 12:12.460 --> 12:14.980 So I just want to pass this along to other people 12:14.980 --> 12:17.860 that when we're thinking about the abuses that we see 12:18.540 --> 12:22.560 versus ritual abuse versus satanic ritual abuse, 12:22.640 --> 12:27.860 there are even different categorizations within the spectrum. 12:28.320 --> 12:30.460 So that's why this book has been really helpful 12:30.460 --> 12:32.080 in kind of laying that out. 12:32.580 --> 12:35.900 So I want to just give a brief blip 12:36.640 --> 12:38.240 to kick us off, Weezy, if that's OK. 12:40.760 --> 12:42.240 Absolutely. OK. 12:42.460 --> 12:43.040 It's your show. 12:43.240 --> 12:44.880 Yeah, like I said, at the very beginning, 12:45.080 --> 12:47.620 you know, especially for this first part, 12:47.680 --> 12:49.880 I'm going to just sit back and let you do your thing 12:49.880 --> 12:53.500 because I'm when I'm knowledgeable on a subject, 12:54.320 --> 12:56.500 I'll riff off, but this is one of those subjects. 12:56.660 --> 12:58.360 I'm not very, very knowledgeable. 12:58.960 --> 13:01.980 So maybe I might pop in to ask you 13:01.980 --> 13:04.400 for some clarification on certain things, but this is you. 13:05.120 --> 13:06.140 OK, perfect. Yeah. 13:06.260 --> 13:08.880 And normally everybody knows like Weezy loves to do hours 13:08.880 --> 13:11.440 and hours and hours of homework to get ready for a subject. 13:11.440 --> 13:15.100 But we are a little bit short on, you know, 13:15.120 --> 13:16.340 getting this all worked out today. 13:16.400 --> 13:17.920 So he did not have his chance 13:17.920 --> 13:20.720 to listen to like 37 audiobooks this week. 13:21.900 --> 13:25.360 OK, so like we were talking about the author of this is Randy Noblett, 13:25.620 --> 13:28.440 and he is a professor of clinical psychology. 13:28.720 --> 13:31.780 Currently, he does have his PhD and he also served 13:31.780 --> 13:35.580 as an Air Force clinical psychologist at Lake and Heath Air Force Base 13:35.580 --> 13:39.840 in England and Shepherd Air Force Base Regional Hospital in Texas. 13:39.840 --> 13:43.540 So this is somebody who is part of the medical establishment, 13:43.620 --> 13:46.880 who has had a traditional training, who is not just looking at this 13:46.880 --> 13:52.660 from, you know, like us as a lay person's perspective on the issues 13:52.660 --> 13:56.420 and then trying to make sense of that based on what we've seen in the news 13:56.420 --> 13:59.300 or what we haven't seen in the news. 13:59.420 --> 14:02.740 OK, so the title again, 14:02.900 --> 14:06.040 Ritual Abuse in the 21st Century, Psychological, Forensic, 14:06.040 --> 14:10.580 Social and Political Implications, and this was published in 2008. 14:10.840 --> 14:15.580 And I do want to give the caveat that he has another book that is pretty popular 14:15.580 --> 14:19.600 and there are several versions of that, which my understanding is pretty different. 14:19.780 --> 14:24.180 And I'm not 100 percent sure if there are several versions of this particular book. 14:24.220 --> 14:27.280 So I just wanted to put that out there in the interest of 14:27.920 --> 14:31.200 full transparency for anybody who's maybe interested in pursuing this. 14:31.500 --> 14:34.820 So in this book, we have a couple of different topics 14:34.820 --> 14:38.940 that is covered, and I'm not going to try to go through every single chapter 14:38.940 --> 14:40.620 or read every single thing to you guys. 14:40.960 --> 14:44.780 But I wanted to say that part of it starts out with kind of establishing 14:45.300 --> 14:47.860 like what we were talking about, what is ritual abuse? 14:48.100 --> 14:49.000 So I'm going to get to that. 14:49.280 --> 14:54.980 But it also has a survey that that the noblets and other professionals 14:55.540 --> 15:00.680 tried to create and to get out to people who said that they were 15:00.680 --> 15:03.720 survivors of this type of abuse. 15:04.320 --> 15:09.380 And they tried to do this in a way as scientifically as possible. 15:09.660 --> 15:15.380 In this book, they acknowledge that, yes, we know when you are having 15:15.380 --> 15:20.540 people fill out a survey on their own, there are some limitations in that. 15:21.100 --> 15:24.680 So you're having people that the survey was presented to, 15:25.180 --> 15:26.460 they said, yes, we are. 15:26.580 --> 15:27.980 And then they had to agree to do it. 15:28.020 --> 15:30.960 So when we're looking at hard and fast information, 15:31.720 --> 15:33.720 you know, I think that the survey is valuable. 15:33.840 --> 15:37.900 But I also I just want to say that we can acknowledge that there are 15:37.900 --> 15:40.480 limitations when we're trying to get information in this way. 15:40.840 --> 15:44.040 Another important thing that they address at the beginning of this book 15:44.040 --> 15:47.840 is that because this issue is so, 15:48.740 --> 15:53.280 you know, you can put it all under the category in the umbrella of abuse. 15:53.360 --> 15:55.660 But there's really a lot of nuance here. 15:55.860 --> 15:59.020 And one of the ways that they, you know, 15:59.020 --> 16:03.860 because survivors are so often not believed or they get a hard time 16:03.860 --> 16:07.500 whenever they're trying to tell their story, they wanted to have a way 16:07.500 --> 16:13.300 to approach the subject to make it as scientifically sound as they could 16:13.300 --> 16:15.760 and to help victims be heard. 16:16.300 --> 16:19.000 So one of that is the same way that we're dealing with 16:19.740 --> 16:23.360 in the regular medical field, for example, we, you know, 16:23.400 --> 16:26.400 if you take an anatomy and physiology class, then one of the things 16:26.400 --> 16:29.680 that we're talking about at the very beginning is the layout of the human body. 16:29.920 --> 16:34.720 So we all use the same language to refer to what is your right side 16:34.720 --> 16:38.900 and what is your left side and how that is referred to on every single person 16:38.900 --> 16:39.820 in every single body. 16:39.980 --> 16:42.040 So that is standardizing the language. 16:42.200 --> 16:46.920 And that was part of the goal that they had with this survey as well. 16:47.220 --> 16:50.680 And it's just in the way that we would refer to something this 16:50.680 --> 16:55.440 proximal or distal, everything within that field is referred 16:55.440 --> 16:56.560 to in the same way. 16:56.740 --> 16:57.780 So we have that consistency. 16:58.000 --> 17:02.900 So that was the goal of the survey that they did and just in order 17:02.900 --> 17:07.960 to try to get some of that same language down and hopefully 17:08.960 --> 17:13.660 facilitating descriptions and belief for the people who had experienced this. 17:13.960 --> 17:16.800 The other thing that they talk about is 17:18.020 --> 17:23.980 there was just some organizations that had tried to form and be victims, 17:23.980 --> 17:27.380 advocates. There was somebody who was a police officer. 17:27.660 --> 17:31.680 And this was happening over in the UK, who was trying to essentially 17:31.680 --> 17:36.240 come up with like a best practices to be able to identify and understand these 17:36.240 --> 17:43.100 situations and how what is the role of the authority in this situation? 17:43.100 --> 17:46.740 What is the role of the media in this situation and how influential 17:46.740 --> 17:50.060 they can be whenever you have accusations of abuse for, 17:50.760 --> 17:52.400 especially in this case, for children. 17:53.000 --> 17:54.640 So we'll we'll get to that. 17:54.760 --> 17:59.860 And then there's just a little more information as far as 18:01.180 --> 18:04.480 what is the best way for a therapist to approach this? 18:04.640 --> 18:06.940 What is the most healing thing? 18:07.160 --> 18:09.460 And how could you really facilitate the most 18:11.520 --> 18:14.300 healing for the people that have experienced this? 18:14.580 --> 18:15.480 What does that look like? 18:15.760 --> 18:17.800 And so we'll get into that a little bit as well. 18:19.160 --> 18:23.040 Before we move on, I want to talk about some of the major issues 18:23.040 --> 18:27.960 that will be associated with significant traumatic ritual or sadistic abuse. 18:28.380 --> 18:30.760 And a lot of you are probably pretty familiar with that. 18:30.860 --> 18:33.400 And this is when we start getting into some. 18:33.740 --> 18:38.000 So MK Ultra, I know we all know about that, but that was an umbrella program. 18:38.100 --> 18:42.520 So there was many different, like 120 different subsets to that project 18:42.520 --> 18:45.280 that tests were being done on human. 18:45.280 --> 18:51.080 They were not all the like the ritual abuse and causing dissociative. 18:51.200 --> 18:52.800 Yes, Greg has it exactly. 18:54.930 --> 19:00.740 So it was not all dissociative identity, creating or ritual abuse within that. 19:00.900 --> 19:03.260 But this is a huge overlap to that. 19:03.380 --> 19:07.940 So one of the big things is repressed memories, missing time, 19:08.700 --> 19:14.580 dissociative identity disorder, dissociations or also multiple personalities. 19:15.280 --> 19:20.140 The other thing that I want to clarify here is that in, I think, coming up, 19:20.340 --> 19:24.560 we heard about multiple personalities almost in the form of a joke. 19:25.040 --> 19:29.380 And I know for me personally, I thought that that was associated with schizophrenia. 19:30.200 --> 19:35.520 And as I have begun reading into this, there is 19:36.620 --> 19:41.260 there's a lot of clarity that I now have on that. 19:41.380 --> 19:44.000 So there is a difference. 19:44.000 --> 19:46.700 And this is one of the things that they go into in this book as well, 19:47.320 --> 19:51.740 that dissociative identity disorder is not the same thing as schizophrenia. 19:52.360 --> 19:56.360 And there is sometimes an overlap, sometimes someone who has schizophrenia 19:56.360 --> 20:00.620 can also have dissociative identity disorder, but they're not the same thing. 20:01.200 --> 20:05.860 And what we have is whenever we see situations of DID, 20:06.700 --> 20:10.140 that is a result of horrific trauma 20:10.140 --> 20:13.460 that was likely perpetuated on a child. 20:13.460 --> 20:17.600 And the reason for this is because children are especially vulnerable 20:18.160 --> 20:22.640 to this type of abuse and the people who have figured this out 20:22.640 --> 20:28.940 know that they can facilitate the fracturing of the psyche easier in children. 20:29.140 --> 20:32.100 And it is usually done with extreme harm and abuse to them 20:32.100 --> 20:34.760 because this is their escape and coping mechanism. 20:35.340 --> 20:39.220 And so I just wanted to also put that differential out there 20:39.220 --> 20:42.260 that schizophrenia and DID are not the same thing. 20:44.580 --> 20:48.040 And now, at least in reading this book, 20:48.380 --> 20:53.580 DID is well known to be a result of this type of horrific abuse. 20:54.060 --> 20:58.300 So I just wanted to establish some of that 20:58.820 --> 21:03.620 in case we can maybe bust some myths or let people know that there 21:03.620 --> 21:04.540 there's differences here. 21:05.020 --> 21:07.800 The other thing that I wanted to talk about is some 21:07.800 --> 21:12.680 if you find this subject interesting, then some other channels 21:12.680 --> 21:16.280 that do some really deep diving on this topic. 21:16.280 --> 21:19.060 And you can find other references, the books that they read, 21:19.260 --> 21:24.200 documentaries that they watched and number one on my list 21:24.200 --> 21:25.840 is Interesting Books Reviewed. 21:25.960 --> 21:27.680 So that is a YouTube channel. 21:27.980 --> 21:31.720 And if you go to his channel, he has different playlist set up. 21:31.760 --> 21:33.440 So he does have a ritual abuse section. 21:33.620 --> 21:34.740 He has a mind control section. 21:35.040 --> 21:39.400 And he also is interested in some of the paranormal, cattle mutilation, 21:40.100 --> 21:43.060 walk and talks by military bases, all kinds of things. 21:43.140 --> 21:46.280 So there's a lot on the channel, but he does have some neat playlist 21:46.280 --> 21:48.500 that make it easy for you to find what you're looking for. 21:48.840 --> 21:51.780 He talks quite a bit about Randy Noblett. 21:51.960 --> 21:54.920 And that was how this book came into my purview. 21:55.560 --> 21:59.380 The other channel is LOL Field and Love. 21:59.700 --> 22:04.520 So that's like laughing, L-O-L, field, F-I-E-L-D and love. 22:05.000 --> 22:07.540 So this is Patrick or the deliberate stranger. 22:08.140 --> 22:11.300 He, as Weezy, has said for himself that he wanted to continue 22:11.300 --> 22:12.440 the work of Dave McGowan. 22:12.680 --> 22:13.760 This is Patrick as well. 22:14.320 --> 22:15.620 He posts. 22:16.040 --> 22:21.780 So basically his work is built upon PTK and he will post snippets, 22:21.960 --> 22:25.360 new snippets, whether that's 48 hours or some other interview 22:25.360 --> 22:29.200 or a documentary in regards to a lot of the cases 22:29.200 --> 22:32.140 that Dave McGowan talked about and then some that are kind 22:32.140 --> 22:33.560 of ancillary because they're related. 22:33.560 --> 22:39.240 And he is also on Rumble and Twitter, and he has Patreon 22:39.240 --> 22:39.940 and all that stuff. 22:40.020 --> 22:42.620 So I wanted to shout those two guys out. 22:42.780 --> 22:45.780 And Patrick actually did an interview recently 22:45.780 --> 22:47.520 with Interesting Books Reviewed. 22:47.580 --> 22:52.380 He also had Dana on that Weezy was just talking about recently. 22:53.520 --> 22:54.740 And he is going on. 22:55.300 --> 22:57.780 I think I saw him on an episode of William Ramsey as well. 22:57.820 --> 22:59.460 So he's kind of getting out there, making the rounds, 22:59.540 --> 23:01.240 but I wanted to put that out there. 23:01.760 --> 23:06.640 The other specifically, the specific episode that I want 23:06.640 --> 23:10.000 to talk about is Greg Carlwood, the Hire Side Chats. 23:10.240 --> 23:13.860 He did a really good analysis of Virginia Jouffray's book, 23:14.120 --> 23:16.200 and he brought up some really interesting points. 23:16.280 --> 23:17.540 So I want to make sure I cover those. 23:17.980 --> 23:20.380 The other channel is The Conspiracy Files. 23:20.620 --> 23:24.280 They are on YouTube and Spotify and other places. 23:24.880 --> 23:27.900 But all of these, all of these are good jumping off points 23:27.900 --> 23:30.160 because you can be introduced to some of these subjects 23:30.160 --> 23:33.340 and then you get other references and other pages for you 23:33.340 --> 23:35.620 to continue to look into if this is something 23:35.620 --> 23:37.040 that you happen to be interested in. 23:38.180 --> 23:43.680 There's a book that's related to some child harm and films. 23:43.980 --> 23:45.960 And that is called The Eye of the Chicken Hawk. 23:46.520 --> 23:48.100 And then there's another, believe it or not, 23:48.240 --> 23:51.940 this is a Discovery ID documentary series 23:51.940 --> 23:53.780 or a podcast series that's really good. 23:53.840 --> 23:55.360 And it's called The Clown and the Candyman. 23:55.720 --> 23:59.740 And that is dealing with John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corral. 23:59.960 --> 24:02.800 So we're going to touch on some of these high-level cases 24:02.800 --> 24:05.160 that we have seen here in the United States, 24:05.160 --> 24:09.440 but just to say that this is real. 24:09.860 --> 24:12.720 And there are people out there that are trying 24:12.720 --> 24:16.500 to bring legitimacy to what these survivors are saying. 24:16.680 --> 24:19.900 But there have been many, many well-documented instances 24:19.900 --> 24:23.940 from alternative media, but mainstream media as well. 24:23.940 --> 24:28.160 And sometimes this stuff gets hidden, but it is there. 24:28.300 --> 24:31.760 So I just want to make sure that people know that I'm speaking 24:31.760 --> 24:36.400 in as best as I possibly can in facts and not speculation. 24:38.040 --> 24:40.600 So I wanted to kick it off 24:41.180 --> 24:43.400 because speaking of Dave McGowan, 24:43.620 --> 24:47.000 he starts out his very famous book, Program to Kill. 24:47.540 --> 24:50.340 And chapter number one is called The Pedophocracy. 24:51.000 --> 24:54.680 And in this, he talks about Mark Dutrot. 24:55.140 --> 24:56.960 And I'm not an expert on Mark Dutrot, 24:57.020 --> 25:00.860 but there's a lot of information to be found about Mark Dutrot. 25:01.180 --> 25:04.040 And let me read you just a little blip if you don't mind. 25:04.680 --> 25:08.660 So Mark Dutrot convicted along with his wife in 1989 25:08.660 --> 25:11.360 for the rape and violent abuse of five young girls, 25:11.640 --> 25:13.440 the youngest of whom was just 11. 25:13.740 --> 25:15.840 Now stands accused of being a key player 25:15.840 --> 25:19.840 in an international child prostitution and pornography ring 25:19.840 --> 25:23.600 whose practices included kidnapping, rape, sadistic torture and murder. 25:24.280 --> 25:27.900 Dutrot was sentenced in 1989 to 13 years for his crimes, 25:27.980 --> 25:30.540 but he was freed after having just served three. 25:31.340 --> 25:34.220 And one of the reasons that it brought that up was not only 25:34.220 --> 25:37.960 because McGowan has talked so much about this, 25:38.080 --> 25:41.160 but that also reminds me of Jeffrey Epstein. 25:41.580 --> 25:43.480 And I think, you know, like we said, 25:43.620 --> 25:47.480 Weezy and I are going to tie that in on the second part of this. 25:47.480 --> 25:52.740 But Dutrot was a very well known harmer of children. 25:53.200 --> 25:56.200 And it happened in a couple of different times. 25:56.260 --> 25:58.800 So you see here that he only served three years. 25:59.120 --> 26:01.180 Originally, he had a couple of escape attempts, 26:01.340 --> 26:03.840 like all of those things sounded to me very much 26:03.840 --> 26:07.500 like what we saw with the original case of Jeffrey Epstein, 26:07.600 --> 26:09.180 when he was supposed to be in jail. 26:09.640 --> 26:11.940 And we know that he actually wasn't. 26:12.140 --> 26:15.840 And we know that Acosta had said that he couldn't touch it 26:15.840 --> 26:16.800 because he was intelligent. 26:16.800 --> 26:20.460 So I think that this situation sounds very much like that. 26:20.540 --> 26:22.240 And this was occurring in Belgium. 26:23.120 --> 26:28.300 So these places, they are all over the world. 26:28.440 --> 26:30.300 This is an international problem. 26:30.760 --> 26:35.600 So the Dutrot affair was happening in Belgium and people began. 26:36.260 --> 26:37.960 It also sounds very similar to here. 26:38.100 --> 26:39.400 They began to get very upset. 26:39.800 --> 26:43.380 So there was a point when a huge percent of the country 26:43.380 --> 26:45.940 of Belgium was out protesting the courts 26:45.940 --> 26:48.960 because of what was going on with Mark Dutrot 26:48.960 --> 26:51.660 and the very obvious corruption surrounding that. 26:52.360 --> 26:55.400 And the problem is that many, many times 26:55.400 --> 26:58.480 and we see this is that there are so many people 26:58.480 --> 27:02.320 at the higher levels or people that at the local level 27:02.320 --> 27:06.940 that are involved in this corruption and it never goes anywhere. 27:07.220 --> 27:10.920 That's also talked about in the Clown in the Candyman. 27:12.420 --> 27:17.380 Discovery ID podcast is that there have been many instances 27:17.380 --> 27:21.540 where thousands of notes, just like I have right here, 27:21.660 --> 27:25.240 they had people's contact information who were customers 27:25.240 --> 27:29.060 of John David Norman and nothing happened to them. 27:29.240 --> 27:33.560 Discovery ID even requested from the government agency. 27:33.760 --> 27:35.420 I don't remember if it was the Department of Justice 27:35.420 --> 27:39.820 or who many times to see these and supposedly they got lost. 27:39.820 --> 27:42.020 They got misplaced or whatever. 27:42.220 --> 27:44.540 So I just want to say that there's a lot of patterns 27:44.540 --> 27:46.640 that repeat themselves in these stories 27:46.640 --> 27:49.280 that we read about from international places 27:49.280 --> 27:51.040 to what we see at home. 27:52.440 --> 27:54.160 And Weezy, I just wanted to check in with you. 27:54.240 --> 27:55.160 Any thoughts, questions? 27:57.600 --> 27:58.480 Absolutely not. 27:58.920 --> 28:00.660 I'm just listening because like I say that 28:01.640 --> 28:04.460 when you hear me rattling off, it's because I'm. 28:05.340 --> 28:09.040 Holy, not or I feel knowledgeable in whatever subject. 28:09.320 --> 28:11.120 But when I'm quiet, it's because I'm ignorant 28:11.120 --> 28:14.040 and I'm not going to pretend that I know something 28:14.820 --> 28:15.860 that I really don't. 28:15.940 --> 28:16.600 So I'm learning. 28:16.980 --> 28:17.740 I'm here to learn. 28:20.220 --> 28:20.980 Thank you. 28:21.540 --> 28:29.960 How do you feel about the book 28:29.960 --> 28:32.460 and the information that you've compiled so far? 28:32.460 --> 28:36.280 So you mentioned a couple of books that that you recommend, 28:36.480 --> 28:40.620 but are there any other books that maybe for beginners? 28:40.980 --> 28:44.780 I suppose, you know, for someone that may be wanting to get into 28:45.500 --> 28:48.520 this subject or field that you could suggest. 28:49.000 --> 28:51.720 Yes. So I would say if you really are interested, 28:52.420 --> 28:55.260 I think that a good place to start would be P.T.K. 28:55.900 --> 28:58.720 because he talks about a lot of these different cases. 28:59.320 --> 29:02.760 So I think that it's a pretty good intro book 29:02.760 --> 29:04.040 on some of these subjects. 29:04.300 --> 29:08.320 Now it is not, you know, there's a lot more information to be found. 29:08.580 --> 29:11.420 So I would say that is a good place to start. 29:11.640 --> 29:14.800 But there's tons of references in P.T.K. 29:15.320 --> 29:16.780 And if you didn't want to start with a book, 29:16.980 --> 29:19.940 start out with some of these some of these guys work. 29:20.140 --> 29:22.500 Interesting books reviewed is a great place to start 29:22.500 --> 29:24.740 because he will bring up the books 29:24.740 --> 29:27.820 and do a little analysis about what you can find there. 29:27.820 --> 29:31.240 And some of these books are relatively easy to find. 29:31.440 --> 29:34.400 And some are very difficult, almost impossible to find 29:34.400 --> 29:39.580 and have been limited through censorship via cost mechanism. 29:40.240 --> 29:44.620 So some of these podcasts are also an excellent place to start. 29:44.960 --> 29:47.520 And even the Discovery ID 29:48.420 --> 29:50.060 documentary, The Clown and the Candyman. 29:50.420 --> 29:52.320 That is a great place to start as well 29:52.320 --> 29:54.060 because it's just in podcast format. 29:54.460 --> 29:55.880 The episodes are nice and easy. 29:56.080 --> 29:57.580 They lay the story out for you. 29:57.580 --> 30:01.800 And then it's so it's basically I kind of look at it 30:01.800 --> 30:05.100 like as far as educating yourself on this and I'm still in that process. 30:05.300 --> 30:09.920 But we're just going to, you know, whatever we read or watch, 30:10.260 --> 30:13.080 checking out another channel, checking out another book 30:13.080 --> 30:15.920 and just trying to to piece this information together 30:15.920 --> 30:18.420 because there's so much on the subject. 30:21.620 --> 30:23.320 Gotcha. Yeah. 30:23.620 --> 30:25.800 And full disclosure. 30:27.880 --> 30:31.600 This is probably one of those subjects that I don't want to get too deep personally. 30:32.200 --> 30:34.040 I think it's important. 30:34.180 --> 30:34.860 That's why I'm doing it. 30:34.900 --> 30:35.600 We're doing it right now. 30:35.760 --> 30:40.860 I think it's important to know and and not be completely in the dark. 30:41.200 --> 30:44.740 But also for me, at least it's not one of those subjects that 30:45.640 --> 30:47.920 that cause out my name, you know, like 30:49.120 --> 30:53.120 in the way that Lincoln does, for example, or moon landings. 30:53.720 --> 30:54.640 This for me. 30:54.640 --> 30:58.460 And it's for I think it's for those reasons that I gave you at the very beginning. 30:58.540 --> 31:03.320 It's just the thought of kids or innocents getting harmed. 31:03.480 --> 31:04.500 It doesn't sit well with me. 31:04.620 --> 31:06.400 It affects me. It pisses me off. 31:06.460 --> 31:09.400 So that's the only reason it's not that I find it boring. 31:10.300 --> 31:12.920 It's that that barrier for me. 31:14.020 --> 31:17.740 Yeah. And I think that this is something that I kind of go back and forth 31:17.740 --> 31:22.880 with like sometimes I'll be consuming a lot of content related to this topic. 31:22.880 --> 31:28.580 And then sometimes I take a break because it is, you know, staring into the abyss. 31:29.040 --> 31:32.740 Now, one thing I do think it's important, or at least for myself, 31:32.920 --> 31:37.640 I feel really good to be working on my education in this regard 31:37.640 --> 31:42.020 because I am learning about not only the survivor's testimony. 31:42.020 --> 31:44.480 So I see that some people in the chat are talking about that. 31:44.780 --> 31:48.500 But we're also learning about some of the scientific treatment 31:48.500 --> 31:51.800 and verification of what these people have experienced. 31:51.800 --> 31:55.540 And another reason that it is very interesting to me 31:56.240 --> 32:00.800 and why I want to continue to pursue this is because I believe that 32:01.540 --> 32:04.880 that this type of trauma, well, sure, 32:05.040 --> 32:08.600 it's indicative of societal decay that it exists. 32:08.760 --> 32:11.960 But I think that this is an old thing, 32:12.700 --> 32:15.860 you know, an ancient practice in some cases 32:15.860 --> 32:18.420 and important for us to know about. 32:18.420 --> 32:23.920 And also, there are when we're hearing other people talk about their work 32:23.920 --> 32:28.820 and we see people presented to us in today's modern day and time, 32:29.040 --> 32:32.480 I think it's good for us to keep in mind, like, 32:32.540 --> 32:35.520 is it possible that this person was abused 32:35.520 --> 32:40.640 and this is why their behavior is now exhibiting as such? 32:40.840 --> 32:41.880 And I'll give you an example. 32:42.200 --> 32:45.200 So something that isn't necessarily as documented 32:46.060 --> 32:51.320 as far as paper goes or paper trails would be what they refer to as 32:52.560 --> 32:54.520 the Monarch Program. 32:55.080 --> 32:59.240 And that is alleged to be used in Hollywood with entertainers 32:59.240 --> 33:00.800 and people like Britney Spears. 33:00.980 --> 33:03.120 Now, we don't know that that's what happened to Britney. 33:03.280 --> 33:05.420 But what we do know is that she was a child star 33:05.420 --> 33:08.800 who was essentially eaten by the meat grinder 33:08.800 --> 33:12.580 and spit out into whatever we see in today's day and time. 33:12.580 --> 33:15.520 So I think it can give us some context to make sense 33:15.520 --> 33:18.280 of what we're seeing in the world as well. 33:19.060 --> 33:22.640 But I agree with you, it is a very, very dark subject. 33:22.820 --> 33:23.840 And I don't always stay here. 33:24.080 --> 33:27.560 You know, I kind of come in and out and try to learn more as I can. 33:27.880 --> 33:30.120 But it's it's very upsetting. 33:34.000 --> 33:34.960 So, yeah. 33:35.200 --> 33:39.920 So in chapter one, we're talking about the good, the bad and the ugly. 33:39.920 --> 33:43.840 So this is one thing that I just wanted to point out really quickly. 33:44.160 --> 33:49.300 The online survey that they came up with was for survivors of extreme abuse, 33:49.440 --> 33:52.180 and they were invited to respond to a number of items designed 33:52.180 --> 33:54.180 to delineate the range of abuses. 33:54.600 --> 33:58.460 So this is where we're getting into the nuance of what people experience. 33:58.660 --> 34:02.500 And sometimes it's at the, you know, they ask them about their abusers. 34:02.660 --> 34:06.620 Sometimes there is this satanic cult involved. 34:06.620 --> 34:11.300 Sometimes there is an overlap with that and government experiments. 34:11.520 --> 34:14.720 Sometimes people reported just government experience experiments. 34:15.180 --> 34:19.160 And some people were just in a cult and I'm not minimizing that, 34:19.220 --> 34:24.380 but I'm just saying that there are definitely nuances to what people's 34:24.380 --> 34:25.360 experiences are. 34:25.480 --> 34:29.640 So I'm not trying to let tell everyone that one size fits all 34:29.640 --> 34:31.640 in our evaluation of this topic. 34:32.540 --> 34:37.660 So, yes, and Greg had said that monarchs are also groomed to be MK ultra handlers. 34:37.840 --> 34:42.460 That's a really important concept to point out as well. 34:42.880 --> 34:47.020 That so often this is generational. 34:47.340 --> 34:52.420 So you will see that people are often times, you know, 34:52.480 --> 34:55.460 some of these cases that we hear about are very wealthy people 34:55.460 --> 34:57.760 and they were abused within their own family. 34:58.240 --> 35:02.620 And so this serves really as a grooming of the children and 35:02.620 --> 35:08.040 acclimating them to this is how we live our lives, but it also serves 35:08.040 --> 35:11.960 to start essentially programming them for their behavior. 35:12.240 --> 35:16.720 And like, you know, when you're trying to manage this type of abuse, 35:16.860 --> 35:19.520 your boundaries, you don't even know what that is. 35:19.720 --> 35:21.560 It, it really messes with you. 35:21.640 --> 35:26.660 So it breaks their spirit and it sets them up to, yes, continue this, 35:26.660 --> 35:28.680 this type of abuse generationally. 35:31.180 --> 35:35.520 So almost in the, in the survey, almost 1500 individuals 35:35.520 --> 35:40.760 from 30 different countries participated and the topics that were touched on 35:40.760 --> 35:43.260 were again, a warning's upsetting. 35:43.640 --> 35:49.560 Incest, child porn, prostitution, abuse by multiple perpetrators, 35:50.060 --> 35:54.800 being caged, starvation, bestiality, buried alive, 35:54.800 --> 36:00.500 electroshock, sensory deprivation, forced cannibalism and government 36:00.500 --> 36:01.940 sponsored mind control. 36:02.340 --> 36:03.140 So I apologize. 36:03.420 --> 36:05.520 I know that's very disturbing to hear that. 36:06.420 --> 36:13.220 But it's really unfathomable, unfathomable to think that this 36:13.220 --> 36:15.240 could be being done to children. 36:16.180 --> 36:16.560 Yeah. 36:16.780 --> 36:18.700 So very upsetting. 36:19.080 --> 36:22.500 So of respondents who reported suffering, extreme abuse and 36:22.500 --> 36:29.300 childhood, 55% reported abuse in a satanic cult of 257 respondents who 36:29.300 --> 36:33.620 reported secret mind control experimentation, 69% reported having 36:33.620 --> 36:35.760 been ritually abused in a satanic cult. 36:36.120 --> 36:39.780 So I just have that in there to show that there, there's some overlap. 36:39.780 --> 36:42.820 Like these Venn diagrams do overlap a bit, but they're not, 36:43.560 --> 36:46.800 it's not the same one size fits all every time. 36:49.000 --> 36:54.800 And this is a blip in regards to trying to get the language that sounds, 36:55.560 --> 36:59.440 you know, that, that is scientific, that is agreed upon by everybody. 36:59.880 --> 37:03.120 So several years ago, we wrote that the language of history, mathematics 37:03.120 --> 37:06.600 or any subject that has meaning and application throughout the world, 37:06.940 --> 37:11.760 viable language is important to describe the experience of symptoms, 37:12.020 --> 37:13.980 diagnosis and treatment modality. 37:14.580 --> 37:19.060 So coming up with what we can agree on and having a common vocabulary 37:19.060 --> 37:21.020 for this issue is really important. 37:21.620 --> 37:26.120 Studies done with dissociative identity patients versus actors. 37:26.940 --> 37:31.840 When that, when that study was done and there were brain scans that were 37:31.840 --> 37:33.940 happening, there was a very clear. 37:35.500 --> 37:39.880 Signed for the people who actually suffered from dissociative identity 37:39.880 --> 37:42.740 disorder versus people who were just pretending. 37:43.280 --> 37:47.420 So on the outside, you couldn't really tell, but within the brain scans 37:47.420 --> 37:52.060 and the MRIs, you could tell the people who actually were, 37:52.660 --> 37:55.180 you know, victims of dissociative identity disorder. 37:55.960 --> 38:03.040 And victims of DID also score way higher on PTSD evaluations. 38:03.820 --> 38:05.120 So this is an important thing. 38:05.340 --> 38:09.360 Whenever we are hearing a story, for example, when we had the, 38:10.100 --> 38:15.720 the gal on the train in Charlotte who was stabbed, whatever was going on 38:15.720 --> 38:19.560 with that story, but that's what we're told that she was stabbed by this guy 38:19.560 --> 38:22.000 and that he had a very long rap sheet. 38:22.340 --> 38:28.280 And then it turns out he had been arrested fairly recently for abusing 38:28.280 --> 38:33.520 911. And he, when he was abusing 911, he was telling them that he 38:33.520 --> 38:37.980 had a device implanted in him that was controlling his thoughts, 38:37.980 --> 38:40.200 actions and behaviors and what he ate. 38:41.300 --> 38:42.880 So, so he was M.K. 38:42.980 --> 38:45.660 Ultra. Well, it certainly sounds like it. 38:45.720 --> 38:49.780 And that's one of the things that I wanted to say is that when people 38:49.780 --> 38:54.700 who have experienced this, so he's saying that something was implanted 38:54.700 --> 38:57.840 in him, but it doesn't even necessarily have to be that. 38:58.240 --> 39:02.100 So one of the examples in, in this, in the book that we're talking 39:02.100 --> 39:04.720 about, she did have a device implanted in her. 39:05.300 --> 39:08.600 But with the, the way that they can 39:10.180 --> 39:15.600 pair the abuse with mind control, they can actually build walls 39:16.140 --> 39:17.280 in people's minds. 39:17.580 --> 39:22.020 So they can have the idea that if I tell someone the truth, 39:22.020 --> 39:25.160 my head is going to explode or I'm going to die. 39:25.300 --> 39:28.480 So that idea can be implanted there, making them think that maybe 39:28.480 --> 39:29.820 they have something implanted in them. 39:29.900 --> 39:32.600 So he, this is what this guy was saying. 39:32.600 --> 39:35.640 And I thought it was very interesting and little talked about 39:36.460 --> 39:38.080 in regards to that story. 39:39.240 --> 39:43.920 So I, I, well, that's, that's the main thing that I wanted to say 39:43.920 --> 39:44.540 about that. 39:44.880 --> 39:48.320 In addition to he, people were talking about him and they're 39:48.320 --> 39:49.440 like, Oh, this guy skits. 39:49.580 --> 39:50.820 So this guy has schizophrenia. 39:51.020 --> 39:52.520 He's been diagnosed with schizophrenia. 39:52.860 --> 39:55.840 So that's what I wanted to say is that if we're telling 39:55.840 --> 39:59.340 someone, or if we're being told that someone has schizophrenia, 40:00.340 --> 40:03.480 but they say something like that, that would indicate maybe 40:03.480 --> 40:08.140 mind control or dissociative identity, then we need to be 40:08.140 --> 40:12.740 questioning the, how the schizophrenia diagnosis was 40:12.740 --> 40:13.460 come upon. 40:13.940 --> 40:18.220 Because in this book, they talk about, that was one of the 40:18.220 --> 40:22.360 other goals of the survey is to really figure out what 40:22.360 --> 40:26.000 surveys work in order to get the most information. 40:26.000 --> 40:30.540 And therapists need to be trained in looking for differences 40:30.540 --> 40:33.740 between schizophrenia and dissociative identity. 40:33.920 --> 40:35.500 And there are clear differences. 40:35.680 --> 40:38.660 And one of the big ones is scoring much higher on the PTSD 40:38.660 --> 40:39.300 evaluation. 40:40.060 --> 40:42.500 So I just wanted to put that out there that like for something 40:42.500 --> 40:44.980 to us to keep in mind when we hear that somebody was 40:44.980 --> 40:48.120 diagnosed with schizophrenia, but they're saying stuff like 40:48.120 --> 40:50.820 I had a device implanted and it's controlling my behavior, 40:50.820 --> 40:57.980 then at least pause because we, you know, there's a 40:57.980 --> 41:02.160 difference and we don't know what entity said, yes, you 41:02.160 --> 41:03.700 have schizophrenia versus DID. 41:04.200 --> 41:06.460 So it's just something that I try to keep in mind and think 41:06.460 --> 41:06.740 about. 41:08.760 --> 41:14.260 The other thing that makes this issue of getting justice 41:14.260 --> 41:17.460 for victims is not only the other barriers that we've 41:17.460 --> 41:20.040 already talked about, but there are organizations that 41:20.040 --> 41:23.680 have been designed that seem to be there simply for the 41:23.680 --> 41:28.400 purpose of discrediting the people who are speaking out. 41:29.100 --> 41:32.980 So a lot of y'all probably have heard about the false 41:32.980 --> 41:35.800 memory syndrome and there's another one that is called 41:35.800 --> 41:38.400 vocal victims of child abuse laws. 41:39.020 --> 41:43.840 So again, I am not saying that there's never a use for 41:44.500 --> 41:48.940 for people acknowledging victims of lawfare. 41:48.940 --> 41:51.900 I think that's a legitimate thing that we need to consider, 41:52.540 --> 41:55.460 but whenever we have groups out here that are trying to 41:55.460 --> 41:58.940 discredit people like Randy Noblett and other people 41:58.940 --> 42:01.740 who are doing this work, then we need to know that these 42:01.740 --> 42:04.160 organizations themselves, such as the false 42:04.160 --> 42:06.460 memory syndrome have been discredited. 42:06.840 --> 42:09.340 And who are the people that were working on that here 42:09.340 --> 42:09.860 in the States? 42:09.960 --> 42:11.020 It's the usual suspects. 42:11.620 --> 42:14.420 I believe that Jolly on West was involved with the 42:14.420 --> 42:17.260 false memory syndrome and there were other people that 42:17.260 --> 42:20.660 were participating who then later were accused of 42:20.660 --> 42:22.040 abusing their own children. 42:22.400 --> 42:25.280 And the whole idea is that with the false memory 42:25.280 --> 42:29.800 syndrome, when people were reporting the abuse that 42:29.800 --> 42:33.520 they had suffered and to maybe a therapist and the 42:33.520 --> 42:36.660 therapist was trying to facilitate something, you 42:36.660 --> 42:39.400 know, some type of justice, then these groups would 42:39.400 --> 42:42.360 say that the therapist was the problem and the 42:42.360 --> 42:45.560 therapist was who was planting this false memory 42:46.080 --> 42:47.140 into the victim. 42:48.060 --> 42:50.700 So and there's a ton of literature out there on the 42:50.700 --> 42:52.480 false memory syndrome in and of itself. 42:52.660 --> 42:55.320 Dana talks about them quite a bit, but I just 42:55.320 --> 42:59.040 wanted to note that they there are people out 42:59.040 --> 43:02.700 here who are actually very interested in attempting 43:04.500 --> 43:07.320 to to discredit the people that are working 43:07.320 --> 43:08.060 on this issue. 43:08.220 --> 43:10.900 And I think that's a big part of what we see with 43:10.900 --> 43:15.120 the different issues of Epstein's victims being 43:15.120 --> 43:15.940 downplayed. 43:16.640 --> 43:19.820 And I think it was probably Greg was was saying this 43:19.820 --> 43:23.480 to victims testimonies. 43:25.120 --> 43:28.100 Interesting books reviewed said this very, very 43:28.100 --> 43:31.620 well that whenever he's looking at victims testimony 43:31.620 --> 43:35.880 or listening that he does that and it's not that 43:35.880 --> 43:37.020 he does not believe them. 43:37.020 --> 43:39.660 He believes them that they suffered horrific abuse. 43:40.580 --> 43:44.900 However, he likens it to if a child were to go see 43:44.900 --> 43:48.440 a magic trick that the kid you would ask the kid 43:48.440 --> 43:50.160 what did you see what happened and he would say 43:50.160 --> 43:51.880 why I saw one and get solid and half. 43:52.340 --> 43:53.600 Is he lying to you? 43:53.740 --> 43:54.900 No, he's not lying. 43:55.100 --> 43:56.700 That is what he actually saw. 43:57.420 --> 43:59.640 But we know there's more to the story. 44:00.380 --> 44:04.500 So and so basically, I think to keep in mind 44:04.500 --> 44:06.540 that some of these victims, yes, they're telling 44:06.540 --> 44:08.360 you everything that they know to the best of 44:08.360 --> 44:09.060 their ability. 44:09.580 --> 44:12.540 However, it's possible that they themselves 44:12.540 --> 44:15.500 were deliberately deceived about what they were 44:15.500 --> 44:18.760 seeing and that could come in the form of say, 44:18.820 --> 44:22.720 like costumes or some of the the satanic element, 44:22.860 --> 44:23.860 some of the occult symbols. 44:24.560 --> 44:27.040 We don't fully know, but I just wanted to put 44:27.040 --> 44:29.760 that there that it is possible that the people 44:29.760 --> 44:32.600 who are reporting have also been deliberately 44:32.600 --> 44:36.720 deceived in order to make their testimony 44:36.720 --> 44:39.920 and their accounts of what happened seem crazy. 44:42.120 --> 44:45.620 And I had talked touched on this a little bit earlier, 44:45.800 --> 44:48.620 but the term ritual abuse was introduced by Michelle 44:48.620 --> 44:51.920 Smith in her memoir of a richly abusive childhood 44:51.920 --> 44:54.820 in her book, Michelle remembered she specifically 44:54.820 --> 44:57.460 called her experience satanic ritual abuse. 44:57.600 --> 44:59.960 Over time, it has become evident that richly 44:59.960 --> 45:02.300 abusive scenarios other than satanic ones 45:02.300 --> 45:05.180 are frequently employed by the perpetrators. 45:05.180 --> 45:07.880 So it's not always about that. 45:09.040 --> 45:11.440 And then as far as our definitions go, 45:11.960 --> 45:14.900 ritualistic abuse may be defined as being like 45:14.900 --> 45:17.940 ritual abuse, but not all of the above criteria 45:17.940 --> 45:19.640 can be proven or demonstrated. 45:20.100 --> 45:22.460 For example, there may be evidence of a ritualistic 45:22.460 --> 45:24.440 killing where only a body is found. 45:24.600 --> 45:27.640 So some certain amount of that we have to 45:28.400 --> 45:32.540 try to use our discernment and see where 45:32.540 --> 45:33.720 where the facts lead us. 45:35.420 --> 45:36.620 Any questions, Weezy? 45:37.860 --> 45:38.980 No, I'm learning. 45:39.600 --> 45:44.320 OK, and let me know if I'm I'm I'm trying to stay on track. 45:44.580 --> 45:46.020 Keep it interesting, brief, whatever, 45:46.340 --> 45:49.900 not trying to bore anybody, but information dense. 45:51.000 --> 45:53.680 So some ritual abuse may occur within the cult 45:53.680 --> 45:55.660 of cult like setting. 45:56.060 --> 45:58.220 There are a variety of cults, most of which 45:58.220 --> 45:59.620 are likely not abusive. 46:00.020 --> 46:02.760 So I think that's something for us to keep in mind. 46:02.760 --> 46:07.160 I happen to believe that oftentimes this is my opinion, 46:07.180 --> 46:09.640 just based on some dots that I've connected, 46:09.860 --> 46:11.680 that when you're dealing with a cult, 46:11.940 --> 46:13.700 you do have intelligence involved, 46:13.900 --> 46:15.780 whether that is they've infiltrated, 46:15.960 --> 46:18.220 whether it's just that they're watching to observe 46:18.220 --> 46:20.880 behavior, whether it's them working together. 46:21.240 --> 46:24.440 But again, there's just more nuance to that. 46:25.160 --> 46:27.680 And this is something that I wanted to point out 46:27.680 --> 46:30.860 when we're talking about the types of cults 46:30.860 --> 46:33.160 that can exist. There is a lot out there. 46:33.860 --> 46:38.720 So under the bullet point of destructive religious cults, 46:38.720 --> 46:41.200 you could have destructive apocalyptic cults. 46:41.320 --> 46:44.340 So that is and this was actually compared to 46:44.340 --> 46:46.820 like the Branch Davidians, but basically 46:46.820 --> 46:50.200 or maybe the the Heaven's Gate, like the world is ending. 46:51.120 --> 46:52.720 This is our belief system. 46:52.900 --> 46:57.940 And that's the really what their cult is surrounded around 46:57.940 --> 47:00.220 is this like apocalyptic idea. 47:00.640 --> 47:03.840 You also have a destructive pre-industrial cults. 47:03.920 --> 47:07.500 And here they they mentioned some like maybe cults in Africa. 47:07.700 --> 47:10.840 So maybe or people that are practicing 47:10.840 --> 47:13.300 what we would maybe refer to as Black magic, 47:13.340 --> 47:16.440 like if you're looking at centauria or some of the other stuff 47:16.440 --> 47:19.580 that is, you know, we kind of know about it, 47:19.580 --> 47:21.920 but maybe in a cult like setting. 47:22.660 --> 47:25.720 The other one is that I think is probably 47:25.720 --> 47:28.360 the most applicable to what we're discussing today 47:28.360 --> 47:30.440 is destructive demonic cults. 47:30.600 --> 47:33.520 So they meet the criteria for a destructive cults 47:33.520 --> 47:37.380 and also promote the worship or reverence 47:37.380 --> 47:40.600 toward a malevolent deity, spirit or principle, 47:41.020 --> 47:44.500 which will be Satanism, Luciferianism 47:45.600 --> 47:48.620 or the cults which use others or excuse me, 47:48.700 --> 47:51.980 others fear of demons to manipulate or control them. 47:52.380 --> 47:53.820 So I'll give you an example. 47:54.500 --> 47:56.060 Weezy and I have talked about this briefly, 47:56.060 --> 48:00.260 but there's a cult in West and I don't know, 48:00.260 --> 48:01.140 I've heard they're litigious. 48:01.520 --> 48:04.740 So I'm just gonna say they're an alleged cult 48:05.310 --> 48:07.140 in Western North Carolina, 48:07.590 --> 48:09.300 known as the word of faith fellowship. 48:09.860 --> 48:13.500 So the work that I have seen on this particular cult 48:13.500 --> 48:14.720 is not that they're telling, 48:15.340 --> 48:18.500 they're not doing satanic ritual abuse per se, 48:18.860 --> 48:21.260 but what they are saying is that 48:22.740 --> 48:24.880 so this says others fear of demons 48:24.880 --> 48:26.700 to control or manipulate them. 48:27.000 --> 48:29.540 So this cult word of faith fellowship allegedly 48:30.160 --> 48:33.100 has a procedure that they refer to as blasting. 48:33.540 --> 48:37.380 So if I'm in this group and Weezy's in this group 48:37.380 --> 48:41.900 and I think that Weezy has the cussing demon 48:41.900 --> 48:42.980 or something like that, 48:43.040 --> 48:45.920 then maybe we all get around Weezy, 48:46.200 --> 48:47.660 we lay our hands on him 48:47.660 --> 48:52.060 and we're doing what they refer to as blasting, 48:52.460 --> 48:53.840 which is we are screaming, 48:54.120 --> 48:55.120 we're laying hands on you, 48:55.140 --> 48:56.220 maybe we're hitting you 48:56.220 --> 48:59.860 because we are trying to exercise that cussing demon 48:59.860 --> 49:02.080 or it could be the- 49:02.080 --> 49:03.600 Are you gonna finger blast demon? 49:04.140 --> 49:08.400 Or it could be the lust demon or the vanity demon, 49:08.600 --> 49:09.960 like whatever they call it, 49:10.160 --> 49:12.720 according to what I have read about them, 49:13.060 --> 49:16.480 they use the fear of a demon. 49:16.480 --> 49:19.080 So that would still be considered in that category 49:19.080 --> 49:21.960 of a destructive cult, allegedly. 49:23.020 --> 49:24.480 Can I say- 49:24.480 --> 49:25.160 Yeah, yeah. 49:27.000 --> 49:29.400 What about the FLDS? 49:30.560 --> 49:31.980 Would they fit into this criteria? 49:32.780 --> 49:34.220 So the FLDS are, 49:35.260 --> 49:38.140 the LDS are the mainstream church. 49:38.720 --> 49:41.460 The FLDS are the fundamentalist Latter-day Saints. 49:42.060 --> 49:43.520 They're like an offshoot and they, 49:44.040 --> 49:46.900 in Utah they normally live like in small towns 49:46.900 --> 49:49.620 on the outskirts and they have a bunch. 49:49.920 --> 49:50.940 They still do polygamy 49:51.640 --> 49:55.000 and it'll be a house with like a bunch of wives. 49:55.340 --> 49:57.200 Some of them are young little girls 49:57.200 --> 49:58.280 and they're having kids 49:59.120 --> 50:03.720 and yeah, they're told that the father figure 50:03.720 --> 50:08.180 is the prophet and prophet can pretty much tap 50:08.180 --> 50:10.440 whoever he wants in that commune. 50:10.440 --> 50:13.060 So that comes off to me anyways 50:13.060 --> 50:16.880 as something that would qualify as this cultish behavior 50:16.880 --> 50:18.940 because a lot of the women there 50:20.180 --> 50:22.780 are not only sexually abused but mentally abused 50:23.380 --> 50:25.860 and even the boys, the boys are chastised 50:25.860 --> 50:30.540 and at a certain age, they're basically run out of there. 50:30.660 --> 50:33.280 Like we get the hell out of here, you know? 50:33.460 --> 50:37.500 So I know Heidi Love has probably done 50:37.500 --> 50:40.760 quite a bit of information on that 50:40.760 --> 50:42.300 but just what you described is 50:42.300 --> 50:43.900 that's what came to my mind anyways. 50:44.540 --> 50:45.300 For sure. 50:45.540 --> 50:47.620 And I think that they're, again, there's nuance 50:47.620 --> 50:49.700 but whenever you're dealing with yes, 50:49.960 --> 50:51.880 the abuse of young girls 50:51.880 --> 50:55.860 like what we do see in the fundamental sect of LDS 50:56.600 --> 51:01.540 and we also see a very restrictive lifestyle. 51:01.940 --> 51:04.280 Their behavior is very, very restricted 51:04.280 --> 51:08.160 and some of these things do fit the definition of a cult. 51:08.320 --> 51:10.160 So these people are supposed to wear 51:10.530 --> 51:12.200 like their clothing is regulated, 51:12.860 --> 51:15.240 their sexual activity is regulated, 51:16.100 --> 51:21.600 their ability to mingle with the outside world 51:21.600 --> 51:23.720 is regulated and restricted. 51:23.880 --> 51:26.280 They're not supposed to watch television, things like that. 51:26.380 --> 51:29.680 So I think whenever you're dealing with such a secretive 51:29.680 --> 51:33.040 and keep to themselves society 51:33.040 --> 51:35.760 that is so controlling over the lives and behaviors 51:35.760 --> 51:38.420 of the people that are members there, 51:38.420 --> 51:41.720 I 100% believe that that would classify as a cult. 51:42.120 --> 51:45.320 Now, all that to say, I am not an expert. 51:45.720 --> 51:47.340 Again, I am not claiming to be, 51:47.480 --> 51:49.520 I just wanted to bring some, a little, 51:50.220 --> 51:53.560 you know, kind of information of what I have found 51:53.560 --> 51:55.380 and add that to some of the stuff 51:55.380 --> 51:57.560 that we do hear talked about quite a bit 51:58.140 --> 52:01.600 in regards to the abuse and like MK Ultra kind of stuff. 52:04.260 --> 52:06.780 So basically, cult abuse can be defined 52:06.780 --> 52:09.660 as any abuse perpetrated by a cult. 52:10.380 --> 52:11.680 So cult abuse is similar, 52:11.920 --> 52:15.420 but not identical to ritual abuse. 52:15.600 --> 52:17.040 The differences between these two 52:17.040 --> 52:19.260 are that cult abuses are not necessarily, 52:19.880 --> 52:22.880 don't necessarily cause the association of identity 52:22.880 --> 52:25.520 and ritual abuse is not always a cult. 52:26.140 --> 52:29.460 So this is where let's say you could have a family 52:29.460 --> 52:31.620 that is ritually abusing their children, 52:31.620 --> 52:34.340 meaning like this is systemic, this happens a lot 52:34.340 --> 52:37.460 and maybe other people are involved 52:37.460 --> 52:39.400 but they're not necessarily in a cult 52:39.400 --> 52:42.300 except they're abusing children 52:42.300 --> 52:46.240 but it wouldn't fall into the cult ritual abuse. 52:47.180 --> 52:49.200 Because of the nature of ritual abuse 52:49.200 --> 52:50.380 and its frequent association 52:50.380 --> 52:52.400 with a cult symbolism and theology, 52:52.560 --> 52:54.840 there may be a tendency to misidentify it 52:54.840 --> 52:58.560 as religious or spiritual issue rather than a criminal one. 52:59.100 --> 53:03.900 Now, I brought that up not necessarily 53:03.900 --> 53:06.100 because I 100% subscribed to that, 53:06.360 --> 53:08.860 just because I thought it was interesting food for thought. 53:09.020 --> 53:12.620 We do have a lot of groups that an interesting reviews 53:12.620 --> 53:16.060 talks about or interesting books talks about this a lot 53:16.060 --> 53:19.280 as well that we have groups who associate 53:19.280 --> 53:22.120 with like the church of Satan and they say 53:22.120 --> 53:25.080 that they are just, you know, 53:25.100 --> 53:27.220 they're just joking around, they're just mocking 53:27.660 --> 53:28.180 or whatever. 53:28.320 --> 53:30.720 So I think that we have to try to discern 53:31.560 --> 53:35.220 these type of people who are saying 53:35.220 --> 53:37.300 that that is all that they're doing 53:37.300 --> 53:42.420 versus are they actually involved in this type of stuff? 53:42.640 --> 53:44.060 And I'm not saying that everybody is. 53:44.200 --> 53:45.820 So I think it's an important thing for us 53:45.820 --> 53:47.020 to at least keep an open mind 53:47.020 --> 53:49.320 and have some nuance about the situation 53:49.320 --> 53:51.400 that just because everyone, if someone said 53:51.400 --> 53:53.380 that they're a Satanist does not necessarily mean 53:53.380 --> 53:55.940 that they're involved in this stuff, I would have no idea. 53:56.800 --> 53:59.460 And then the other thing that I wanted to wrap up there 53:59.460 --> 54:02.720 is that ritual abuse is often popularly referred 54:02.720 --> 54:04.360 to as satanic ritual abuse. 54:04.640 --> 54:06.500 An expression that implies assumptions 54:06.500 --> 54:08.700 that somebody cannot be substantiated 54:08.700 --> 54:12.000 and thus create obstacles to appropriate scientific 54:12.000 --> 54:13.440 or criminal investigation, 54:13.780 --> 54:15.440 which is really what we've been talking about 54:15.440 --> 54:17.740 is that a lot of this stuff is very difficult 54:17.740 --> 54:20.640 for us to actually confirm. 54:21.620 --> 54:23.620 And then again, when we were talking 54:23.620 --> 54:26.040 about the witness testimonies, 54:26.040 --> 54:30.000 the fact that these folks are often 54:30.000 --> 54:31.800 probably deceived themselves, 54:32.040 --> 54:36.080 or I think Greg was saying it that the waters 54:36.080 --> 54:38.420 are intentionally muddy to make it difficult 54:38.420 --> 54:41.540 for us to know exactly what is going on there. 54:45.260 --> 54:48.280 And one thing before I move on 54:48.700 --> 54:52.480 to just hitting a couple of these other areas in the book, 54:52.640 --> 54:54.580 I wanted to talk a little bit about some 54:54.580 --> 54:56.460 of the other cases that we know about 54:56.460 --> 54:57.840 that are very well documented. 54:58.960 --> 55:01.540 So I want to kick it off with what we talked 55:01.540 --> 55:02.540 about at the very beginning. 55:02.800 --> 55:03.920 We had the Dutro Affair. 55:04.880 --> 55:08.640 Then people, two girls, and Dave McGowan does talk 55:08.640 --> 55:11.180 about this with references that two young girls 55:11.180 --> 55:15.140 were found in Dutro's actual basement 55:15.140 --> 55:17.080 and they had been starved to death there. 55:17.820 --> 55:20.040 So, and he was tried and imprisoned 55:20.040 --> 55:23.760 and there was a huge kerfuffle in Belgium for this. 55:23.760 --> 55:26.780 So I believe that we can consider this a truthful account, 55:26.880 --> 55:29.360 not speculation on the part of McGowan or anybody else. 55:29.440 --> 55:30.300 It's very well documented. 55:30.900 --> 55:34.040 Then we have the case of John Wayne Gacy 55:34.720 --> 55:39.560 and where he was found to have the 33 bodies 55:39.560 --> 55:42.060 of young men buried in his basement. 55:42.440 --> 55:45.180 And then we had the case of Dean Corral 55:45.960 --> 55:48.980 who was outed by accomplices. 55:49.240 --> 55:50.720 So this is the way a lot of these people 55:50.720 --> 55:53.680 will bring in young teenagers sometimes 55:53.680 --> 55:58.160 in the way that we also heard of the young ladies 55:58.160 --> 55:59.960 being abused from Epstein Island 55:59.960 --> 56:03.340 and they then began to be recruiters. 56:03.660 --> 56:06.660 This was a similar situation that Dean Corral had done. 56:07.140 --> 56:09.180 So he had these young kids that would help him. 56:09.320 --> 56:12.160 They would be involved in drugging, raping, 56:12.240 --> 56:13.720 murdering young men. 56:14.140 --> 56:16.900 And it only ended when one of the young men 56:16.900 --> 56:18.940 had brought over a couple of friends 56:18.940 --> 56:21.300 and Dean Corral was getting ready to murder his friends. 56:21.740 --> 56:24.940 Finally, they ended up killing Dean Corral 56:24.940 --> 56:27.820 and they were whistleblowers at this time. 56:28.540 --> 56:30.020 So those are two cases 56:30.020 --> 56:32.520 and their connection is Mark David Norman 56:32.520 --> 56:34.500 who was a very prolific pedophile. 56:34.920 --> 56:37.960 And he had moved a couple of places in the United States 56:37.960 --> 56:40.200 but he had, and this was something 56:40.200 --> 56:42.880 that Dana was talking about last week, a system. 56:43.140 --> 56:45.040 So he had a business and business partner. 56:45.220 --> 56:46.520 So even if he was in prison, 56:46.520 --> 56:49.340 he was able to keep his business running 56:49.340 --> 56:52.820 which is pimping out these young boys all over the country. 56:53.020 --> 56:56.960 And they had the index cards, thousands of customers. 56:57.580 --> 57:00.040 Those index cards were of course lost. 57:01.300 --> 57:04.060 And there were many times when Mark David Norman 57:04.060 --> 57:06.460 should have served much, much longer 57:06.460 --> 57:08.400 like life in prison or death penalty. 57:08.820 --> 57:10.500 And that was not the case. 57:10.560 --> 57:12.720 He was able to get back out, restart his business 57:13.320 --> 57:15.600 and then there's a lot of weird connections 57:15.600 --> 57:20.800 with like Harry Connick Jr.'s dad was a detective 57:20.800 --> 57:24.440 in Louisiana dealing with some of these cases 57:24.440 --> 57:27.080 and they were, it almost sounds like 57:27.080 --> 57:30.600 in some of the recounts of this that they were complicit 57:30.600 --> 57:32.760 in helping to make sure that people 57:32.760 --> 57:35.100 were not held accountable for what happened. 57:35.660 --> 57:40.460 So that story for John Wayne Gacy 57:40.460 --> 57:42.300 and Dean Corral is very well covered 57:42.300 --> 57:46.940 by the Clown and the Candyman ID podcast. 57:47.700 --> 57:49.840 And then the channel that I was talking about 57:49.840 --> 57:51.960 at the beginning of this conspiracy files, 57:52.140 --> 57:53.780 he has a really thorough breakdown 57:53.780 --> 57:55.920 and this has been in the last couple of weeks 57:55.920 --> 57:58.520 that he posted a video deep diving into, 58:00.260 --> 58:03.240 did I say Mark David Norman or David Mark Norman? 58:03.440 --> 58:05.560 I'm sorry for being mixed up on that. 58:05.840 --> 58:07.540 But so there's a lot of information 58:08.060 --> 58:09.240 surrounding these guys 58:09.240 --> 58:11.680 and how they were connected to the network. 58:11.680 --> 58:15.380 Of course we have very famous stories 58:15.380 --> 58:18.180 about child abuse from the daycare perspective 58:18.180 --> 58:20.860 which would be the Presidio scandal 58:20.860 --> 58:24.860 which would be the, what's the school? 58:28.080 --> 58:29.480 I lost it. 58:29.580 --> 58:30.360 It's on the East Coast. 58:30.660 --> 58:32.140 It's a very famous Air Force base 58:32.140 --> 58:33.600 but I can't come up with it right now 58:33.600 --> 58:35.620 but there were daycare programs 58:35.620 --> 58:39.380 and there was allegations of abuse of sexual abuse 58:39.380 --> 58:42.820 that was happening to the kids in these daycares. 58:43.460 --> 58:45.960 And once again, things get put up, 58:46.960 --> 58:49.520 they are, oh it's West Point, excuse me 58:49.520 --> 58:51.620 but these things get brushed on the rug 58:51.620 --> 58:54.780 and really no real justice comes for those families 58:54.780 --> 58:56.560 and the children that are trying to speak out 58:56.560 --> 58:57.380 against this abuse. 58:57.800 --> 59:00.380 Then we also had the McMartin preschool case 59:01.240 --> 59:03.520 where there were, at the time, 59:03.620 --> 59:04.980 people were not believed 59:04.980 --> 59:07.340 when they said that there were tunnels under that school. 59:07.340 --> 59:10.000 It was later confirmed that there were, in fact, 59:10.280 --> 59:11.580 tunnels under the school 59:11.580 --> 59:12.780 and this is a big theme 59:12.780 --> 59:14.400 in some of the other potential traffic. 59:14.420 --> 59:15.420 Is there any bloody mattresses? 59:16.360 --> 59:17.740 No, well, maybe. 59:18.100 --> 59:20.000 Not that I know of that was found at that time 59:20.000 --> 59:23.660 but yes, Squeaky said Aquino or Queeno, yes. 59:24.060 --> 59:27.640 He was involved in psychological warfare operations 59:28.380 --> 59:29.820 in the United States Army. 59:30.360 --> 59:33.420 He's mentioned quite a bit in Program to Kill 59:33.960 --> 59:38.900 and McGowan does believe that as he served in Vietnam 59:38.900 --> 59:40.520 that he was part of Phoenix program. 59:40.640 --> 59:42.940 So we had the tie-in with the Phoenix program, 59:43.340 --> 59:46.020 the torture, terror, mind control piece of this 59:46.480 --> 59:50.140 but these other very famous events 59:50.140 --> 59:51.820 that happened here in the States. 59:52.020 --> 59:53.820 And then of course, we had the Franklin scandal, 59:54.060 --> 59:55.580 we had the Boys Town scandal 59:55.580 --> 59:59.840 and then some famous people were associated with these. 59:59.840 --> 01:00:04.360 For example, Charles Manson was at one point 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.020 an orphan in Boys Town. 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:07.460 Go ahead, Weezy. 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.120 I'm just, I just got a Michael Lequino's profile pic. 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:18.820 Very interesting eyebrows. 01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:21.740 I think Dustin Helm wears eyebrows like that. 01:00:22.200 --> 01:00:23.080 Just wanted to make a point. 01:00:25.620 --> 01:00:26.180 Sorry. 01:00:26.740 --> 01:00:28.060 Oh yeah, no problem at all. 01:00:28.060 --> 01:00:31.460 Yes, the temple of set, this chat knows what's up. 01:00:31.780 --> 01:00:34.320 So, but he was involved in the military. 01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:36.980 He was involved and identified by these children 01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:38.620 who were at the Presidio 01:00:38.620 --> 01:00:41.580 that he was one of the ones that abused them. 01:00:41.680 --> 01:00:43.820 And he was somebody that had split off 01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:44.800 from the church of Satan 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.760 and then founded the church or the temple of set 01:00:49.180 --> 01:00:51.420 and kind of was starting his own thing. 01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:55.080 So there's a lot of mystique around this individual 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.100 but he certainly at the very least 01:00:58.100 --> 01:01:00.680 is an interesting tie in between daycare abuse, 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:02.860 military psychological operations 01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:07.040 and then satanic abuse or satanic, you know, 01:01:07.100 --> 01:01:09.720 worshiping or whatever you wanna say that. 01:01:10.680 --> 01:01:12.600 So all of this just to say 01:01:12.600 --> 01:01:16.500 that we have many, many documented cases of this. 01:01:16.740 --> 01:01:21.280 Now, the Epstein piece is one that Weezy 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:22.400 and I are gonna talk about 01:01:22.700 --> 01:01:25.580 but that was really the first one 01:01:25.580 --> 01:01:27.340 that was put onto my radar 01:01:27.340 --> 01:01:29.400 whenever we started hearing about Epstein. 01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:31.680 A lot of this other stuff I wasn't as educated about 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.920 and I found that there's a tie somewhat 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.980 with the book in regards to Epstein 01:01:39.980 --> 01:01:43.640 because what they say is that the role of media 01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:46.060 is very, very important. 01:01:46.600 --> 01:01:50.020 So whenever they reference a specific case 01:01:50.020 --> 01:01:52.720 that was from the United Kingdom in the book 01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:56.100 where there was accusations of abuse 01:01:56.620 --> 01:02:00.360 and children were, or actually this was in Scotland, 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.740 children were removed from the home 01:02:04.580 --> 01:02:09.400 and the media was portraying the parents and the priests 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:10.920 that were accused of the abuse 01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:12.660 as the victims in this case. 01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:14.600 They were not advocating for the children 01:02:14.600 --> 01:02:18.280 even though these children were mostly kept 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.320 apart from each other. 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.320 The foster parents who were in charge of them 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.760 would keep their artwork that was relevant. 01:02:25.100 --> 01:02:27.900 They would document strange things that they said 01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:29.420 in a journal. 01:02:29.600 --> 01:02:31.700 They kept track of all of this stuff 01:02:31.700 --> 01:02:33.860 and when the children found out 01:02:33.860 --> 01:02:36.480 that they were going to be returned to their parents, 01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:37.520 they were devastated. 01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:41.560 So this is one of the chapters that they talk about 01:02:41.560 --> 01:02:44.020 really just talking about the role of media. 01:02:44.020 --> 01:02:49.800 It is so important in managing public perception 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:50.900 on an issue. 01:02:51.140 --> 01:02:54.000 So if you have media running cover for pedophiles 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:56.260 which we have seen many examples of that, 01:02:56.680 --> 01:02:57.960 then you're going to be, 01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:01.660 that stands as a blockage for our victims 01:03:01.660 --> 01:03:03.360 to be able to get to be believed 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.860 and to ever get any justice and for them to be safe. 01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:10.360 Oftentimes they're sent back to where they came from. 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:12.480 So, and that's it. 01:03:12.540 --> 01:03:15.080 We know that the media was an important piece 01:03:15.080 --> 01:03:16.860 in what happened with Epstein. 01:03:17.060 --> 01:03:18.680 We have the very famous Amy, 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:21.240 gosh, I can't remember her last name, 01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:22.520 but she was an ABC reporter 01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:24.560 and there was a viral clip of her saying, 01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:26.160 we had everything. 01:03:26.540 --> 01:03:29.820 We had Clinton, we had names, we had everything. 01:03:30.040 --> 01:03:31.940 And they would, you know, basically the ABC 01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:34.020 pulled the story because they were afraid 01:03:34.020 --> 01:03:36.040 of not being able to get news 01:03:36.040 --> 01:03:38.480 from the royal family in the United Kingdom. 01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:41.040 Just one small example of that. 01:03:41.300 --> 01:03:44.260 And then one quick thing before we kind of wrap up 01:03:44.260 --> 01:03:47.640 with the book and do get into the Epstein files. 01:03:47.900 --> 01:03:49.980 I mean, there's a lot in the book, everybody. 01:03:50.520 --> 01:03:52.440 And, but I don't want to go through word for word. 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:53.580 I just want to give you a highlight. 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:55.620 And of course, if you're ever interested 01:03:55.620 --> 01:03:57.420 in reaching out and talking to me about it, 01:03:57.460 --> 01:03:59.000 please feel free to email me, 01:03:59.180 --> 01:04:00.300 thinkchangerp.gmail. 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:02.700 But one of the other things 01:04:02.700 --> 01:04:03.900 that I thought was really interesting 01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:06.820 is when they're talking about the survey, 01:04:06.820 --> 01:04:11.140 what was the most healing thing for the victims? 01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:13.220 And there was all kinds of modalities. 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:16.040 So some people ended up, they did find religion, 01:04:16.180 --> 01:04:20.500 they found Christianity or some other worship practice 01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:23.020 that was helpful and soothing for them. 01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:25.460 Some of them had, you know, like music therapy 01:04:25.460 --> 01:04:28.020 or going to their counselor 01:04:28.020 --> 01:04:30.240 or all these various treatment modalities. 01:04:30.340 --> 01:04:33.820 And I do believe that people can come back from this, 01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:37.820 but I think that you need to, first of all, be believed. 01:04:38.060 --> 01:04:40.580 And that was the most important thing to these people 01:04:40.580 --> 01:04:43.560 is that someone actually believed them. 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.240 That is the big thing for helping, you know, 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:48.900 the first step in helping victims 01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:52.280 to be able to recover from the life 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.960 that they have been involved in. 01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:57.820 And then also Layla Decker in the chat 01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:59.820 has really been saying some good stuff. 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.940 And I want her to correct me 01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:05.660 if I say anything that doesn't sound right 01:05:05.660 --> 01:05:07.340 because she has some experience with this. 01:05:07.460 --> 01:05:10.840 And I'm trying to be like as accurate as I possibly can 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.620 and to show all the sides here. 01:05:14.660 --> 01:05:17.340 The other thing that I wanted to tie into this piece 01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.760 is that when people experience this type of abuse 01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:24.820 as children, they are being set up to be lifelong victims. 01:05:25.180 --> 01:05:28.440 So a lot of people look at Virginia Jouffray, for example, 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.160 and think, well, she was 16, that's the age of consent 01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:34.840 or she was 17 or whatever it was when she met them. 01:05:35.160 --> 01:05:37.540 The problem is that according to her book 01:05:37.540 --> 01:05:40.660 and her dad, this is where I wanted to get in 01:05:40.660 --> 01:05:43.440 to the higher side chats discussion. 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.000 Layla said I'm spot on, thank you so much, Layla. 01:05:46.200 --> 01:05:47.380 I truly appreciate that. 01:05:48.540 --> 01:05:52.240 But Greg Carlwood was doing this summary of Virginia's book 01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:55.700 and he played a clip of Virginia's dad 01:05:56.640 --> 01:05:58.580 being interviewed by Piers Morgan. 01:05:58.580 --> 01:06:02.200 And the dad said, I believe everything that she is saying. 01:06:02.660 --> 01:06:04.180 And Greg was like, great, 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.300 because now we're getting ready to get into her book. 01:06:06.540 --> 01:06:09.720 So what is not talked about as often, 01:06:09.720 --> 01:06:10.920 though I have heard this before, 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.180 is that Virginia was abused by her father 01:06:14.180 --> 01:06:15.700 at a very young age. 01:06:15.740 --> 01:06:17.200 I believe we're starting about the age 01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.360 of seven years old through 11. 01:06:19.540 --> 01:06:21.600 And then he ended up kind of pimping her out 01:06:21.600 --> 01:06:23.600 or sharing her with one of his friends. 01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:27.260 And so even though that would not be considered a cult, 01:06:27.260 --> 01:06:29.740 that would not be necessarily considered ritual, 01:06:30.260 --> 01:06:33.400 that is just harmful, incestuous child abuse. 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.060 But what you're setting her up for 01:06:36.060 --> 01:06:39.360 is to now be a victim of that 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.480 because of what it does to your psyche, 01:06:41.720 --> 01:06:43.860 what it does to your confidence, your boundaries. 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.480 And people that are experienced in that field 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:48.460 that are the predators, 01:06:48.460 --> 01:06:50.380 they can spot that from a mile away. 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:52.020 And that is exactly what happened to her. 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.640 She dealt with that as a young child 01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:57.760 and then she ended up going to work at Mar-a-Lago 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.460 because her dad was a groundskeeper there. 01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:02.160 And Greg goes on to say, 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.300 isn't it interesting that her dad was the one that abused her? 01:07:05.560 --> 01:07:07.900 Her dad was the one that got her the job at Mar-a-Lago. 01:07:08.040 --> 01:07:10.560 Her dad was the one that drove her for the first time 01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:13.300 to meet Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.800 And then she started working for them. 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.900 She was horrifically raped by prime minister. 01:07:20.100 --> 01:07:21.600 And I don't remember the name of that, 01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:24.140 but it is she's talked about it in a couple of places. 01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:28.120 And eventually when she was sort of at the tail end 01:07:28.120 --> 01:07:30.540 of her time with them to be used in that way, 01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:33.540 then they said, okay, we're gonna pay for you to go 01:07:33.540 --> 01:07:37.100 to Thailand to learn massage officially. 01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:39.800 And then Greg points this out, 01:07:39.980 --> 01:07:43.160 isn't it interesting that that just happens to be 01:07:43.160 --> 01:07:44.340 where she met her husband 01:07:44.340 --> 01:07:46.900 that we know was a trained MMA fighter 01:07:46.900 --> 01:07:49.280 and that there was domestic abuse of all 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.100 involved in her relationship with him 01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:52.180 throughout the years. 01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:56.580 And that whenever she made the call to Jeffrey Epstein 01:07:56.580 --> 01:08:00.100 to tell him, I am saying here, I met someone 01:08:00.100 --> 01:08:02.280 that they just let her go very easily. 01:08:02.580 --> 01:08:04.360 So I think that this gives some credence 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:06.000 to the potential that these people 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.020 were all working together from the father 01:08:08.020 --> 01:08:09.180 all the way to the husband 01:08:09.180 --> 01:08:11.960 and made sure that Virginia was managed 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:14.440 and controlled and watched the entire time. 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.020 That was the point of what I was saying. 01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.320 I just wanna say that people who are victimized 01:08:19.320 --> 01:08:23.160 at this age, it makes them much easier fodder 01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:24.520 for predators. 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.480 And I'm also reading another book called Slave Girl 01:08:27.480 --> 01:08:31.100 that is written with a victim and author Tim Tate. 01:08:31.620 --> 01:08:33.420 And this was her exact background as well. 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:34.680 She was abused by her father 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.780 and then she ends up being 01:08:36.780 --> 01:08:40.440 in a drug pimp trapped situation 01:08:40.440 --> 01:08:42.520 in the Red Light District in Amsterdam 01:08:43.040 --> 01:08:45.400 because of the abuse that she had been set up 01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:46.780 with her entire life. 01:08:47.540 --> 01:08:50.300 And then the last thing that I wanna end on 01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:52.920 before we move on is that 01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:55.560 there's a really interesting story in this book 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.380 that is talking about a therapist 01:08:58.100 --> 01:09:01.860 and her having kind of malleable boundaries. 01:09:02.020 --> 01:09:05.240 So this was like a one-on-one research project 01:09:05.240 --> 01:09:09.120 where she had a client that was suffering 01:09:09.120 --> 01:09:11.280 from the fallout of ritual abuse. 01:09:11.660 --> 01:09:14.200 And this was the generational, 01:09:14.200 --> 01:09:17.000 the family cult type abuse. 01:09:18.120 --> 01:09:20.700 And she, normally therapists will have 01:09:20.700 --> 01:09:21.880 really clear-cut boundaries. 01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:23.200 I see you in my office, 01:09:23.360 --> 01:09:25.200 I don't take calls unless it's an emergency. 01:09:26.020 --> 01:09:28.320 I, we don't hang out, we don't have dinner, 01:09:28.480 --> 01:09:29.140 we're not friends. 01:09:29.240 --> 01:09:32.580 So the therapeutic and patient relationship 01:09:32.580 --> 01:09:34.860 is very set in stone. 01:09:35.060 --> 01:09:37.700 And that's, you'll see that pretty much across the board. 01:09:38.320 --> 01:09:40.060 But this particular therapist 01:09:40.060 --> 01:09:42.100 with this particular customer decided 01:09:42.580 --> 01:09:44.520 to have more malleable boundaries. 01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:46.860 So I'm gonna take phone calls from you outside of here. 01:09:46.980 --> 01:09:48.460 I'm gonna build a relationship with you. 01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:50.600 I'm gonna show you some of my own vulnerability 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.340 in my life so we can actually build a relationship 01:09:53.340 --> 01:09:56.580 and see how helpful that may be for you 01:09:56.580 --> 01:10:00.520 to work on your healing journey. 01:10:01.100 --> 01:10:04.180 And it turns out it was very helpful. 01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:07.380 But even with that type of therapy, 01:10:07.540 --> 01:10:08.940 that type of one-on-one treatment, 01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:11.420 this person still was dealing with 01:10:11.420 --> 01:10:12.740 trying to manage her family, 01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:14.780 trying to deal with anger, rage, 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:16.000 like all of these emotions 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.600 from having a fried central nervous system 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.660 through everything that she had been through. 01:10:21.100 --> 01:10:22.680 So all of that to say is that there, 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:24.740 I believe that healing is possible 01:10:24.740 --> 01:10:28.240 and that there is a possibility for people 01:10:28.240 --> 01:10:30.320 to come out on the other side of this, 01:10:30.360 --> 01:10:31.440 but they have to have support, 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:32.920 they have to be believed, 01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:37.280 and they have to have the right people in their life 01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:39.120 who are going to support them. 01:10:39.340 --> 01:10:40.740 And whether that's therapists, doctors, 01:10:40.980 --> 01:10:42.920 a combination of all of these things, 01:10:43.180 --> 01:10:45.840 whatever religious practice may bring comfort to them, 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:49.500 but that is an important part of the healing process. 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.340 And then the other thing that I wanted to point out 01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:54.100 is that sometimes, unfortunately, 01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:55.560 I don't think it's possible 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:58.420 because I think that people well into adulthood, 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:00.240 especially like Brittany, for example, 01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:01.820 continue to be handled. 01:11:02.140 --> 01:11:03.360 I could be wrong about that. 01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:04.760 That's my own speculation, 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:09.060 but we see their kind of bizarre behavior 01:11:09.060 --> 01:11:12.940 that does not appear to be them living a happy, healthy life. 01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:16.100 And that continues well into adulthood. 01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:18.500 And unfortunately, I know that that does happen 01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:19.240 to a lot of people 01:11:19.240 --> 01:11:21.320 because we don't have the system in place 01:11:21.320 --> 01:11:24.760 to treat people who have suffered sexual abuse, 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.240 especially in these severe ways. 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:29.200 And we don't always believe them. 01:11:29.340 --> 01:11:30.760 There's a lot of debate about that. 01:11:30.900 --> 01:11:31.700 And like we're talking about, 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.280 there's institutions that are interested 01:11:33.280 --> 01:11:37.060 in making sure that we don't believe them 01:11:37.060 --> 01:11:39.880 or that they're muddying the waters, 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:41.380 as has been said in the chat. 01:11:42.280 --> 01:11:43.800 And then I also would just wanna say 01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.700 that some of these well-organized pedophile rings, 01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:50.940 they not only is the abuse present, 01:11:51.100 --> 01:11:56.200 but we even have snuff film rings and things like that. 01:11:57.020 --> 01:11:59.660 So there are a lot of children 01:11:59.660 --> 01:12:03.240 that have slipped through the cracks to these industries. 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:05.300 And we see what happens 01:12:05.300 --> 01:12:07.460 when they get put on the radar at a national scale. 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.560 And it should be if the people who wanna protect us 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:13.100 and provide a better quality of life, 01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:15.760 this should be priority numero uno 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:17.420 would be to find these people. 01:12:17.780 --> 01:12:19.100 But time and time again, 01:12:19.320 --> 01:12:21.320 we see that information being, 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:23.640 it's only allowed to get so far 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:25.480 before it really gets brushed under the rug. 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:27.300 And I just don't wanna forget those children 01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:32.500 who have been through that and have been lost. 01:12:32.980 --> 01:12:36.680 And they don't have anybody speaking up for them. 01:12:37.320 --> 01:12:41.200 So I know that's kind of a sad note to end on. 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.620 And a happy thing is I do think that people can heal, 01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:48.300 but I think that's kind of a wrap 01:12:48.300 --> 01:12:50.300 before we get into the Epstein stuff. 01:12:50.420 --> 01:12:52.880 And I know I've been blabbing for a really long time, 01:12:52.980 --> 01:12:54.700 everybody, I hope that you have gotten 01:12:54.700 --> 01:12:56.240 some interesting food for thought 01:12:56.240 --> 01:12:59.980 and that maybe we can continue this conversation 01:12:59.980 --> 01:13:02.480 in other ways and I can continue learning. 01:13:03.040 --> 01:13:04.720 Yes, Nick Reiner comes to mind. 01:13:04.860 --> 01:13:06.840 I think that a lot of people thought 01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:10.440 that that was potentially something with 01:13:11.580 --> 01:13:12.940 that had maybe happened, 01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:14.980 especially with the weird Al Franken jokes 01:13:14.980 --> 01:13:16.640 to Rob Reiner at his roast. 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:18.100 Over to you, Weezy. 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.100 Good job, Ashley. 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:25.120 I wanna introduce a good friend of mine, 01:13:29.980 --> 01:13:33.400 Mr. John Bryson, directly from the kill shed. 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.940 He is looking like the Appalachian Moses. 01:13:37.540 --> 01:13:39.960 He probably has some tablet there with him. 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:41.720 What's up, John? 01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:43.100 It is snowing here, 01:13:43.660 --> 01:13:47.720 even though I am like four hours southeast 01:13:48.340 --> 01:13:49.580 of the Appalachian Mountains, 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:51.520 but I'm glad to be here, y'all. 01:13:52.540 --> 01:13:54.480 I caught the tell into the conversation. 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:56.920 I was kind of in and out when Ashley was speaking. 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.900 I do wanna add, I think you and Weezy, 01:14:00.160 --> 01:14:02.600 I think me and Weezy are aligned 01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.140 in our distrust of Virginia Roberts-Guffrey. 01:14:05.620 --> 01:14:10.500 I'm not saying that she was not molested by her father 01:14:11.240 --> 01:14:14.280 and also supposedly a family friend 01:14:14.280 --> 01:14:19.020 and by Epstein and I believe by Trump. 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.560 Like I am going Maxwell, like in Ehud Barak, 01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:24.560 like I'm not saying that didn't happen, 01:14:25.540 --> 01:14:29.000 but however, something that a lot of people leave out 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.920 about Robert Guffrey was that Robert Guffrey 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.860 through numerous tweets that he had put out 01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:44.900 was anti-Donald Trump and a lot of people kind of, 01:14:44.900 --> 01:14:45.960 and I'm not saying you're doing that on purpose, 01:14:46.120 --> 01:14:47.700 Ashley, for whatever you read or whatever you said, 01:14:48.200 --> 01:14:50.560 a lot of people leave that part out 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:56.320 when they're saying that I'm not excusing the physical abuse 01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.020 that Virginia Roberts-Guffrey went through by her husband, 01:15:01.460 --> 01:15:05.780 but there is some speculation that could be made 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:09.580 that he wanted her to expose Trump 01:15:09.580 --> 01:15:11.220 and he really did not like Trump 01:15:11.980 --> 01:15:16.100 and she refused to do that, which is my belief. 01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:18.280 I think Weezy, you share this belief with me too, 01:15:18.950 --> 01:15:26.520 that her father took a payout from Epstein and Trump 01:15:27.350 --> 01:15:32.340 and then later, she was the figurehead by the lawyers 01:15:32.910 --> 01:15:36.900 put forth as the figurehead of the Epstein victims 01:15:40.180 --> 01:15:42.660 and she got paid 01:15:44.040 --> 01:15:49.380 and she, like for example, she derailed Katie Johnson 01:15:49.380 --> 01:15:50.780 when Katie Johnson came out 01:15:50.780 --> 01:15:52.840 and the whole fiasco of Lisa Bloom, 01:15:53.300 --> 01:15:55.380 she was like, I've never heard of Katie Johnson. 01:15:55.620 --> 01:15:57.720 I don't know, like kind of like casting shade 01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:02.260 on Katie Johnson and Katie Johnson exposing Donald Trump 01:16:02.260 --> 01:16:05.080 and Jeffrey Epstein and the Donald Trump raped her 01:16:05.080 --> 01:16:09.100 and a girl named Maria, right? 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.840 And so, I'm not excusing what happened 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:14.240 to Virginia Roberts-Guffrey, 01:16:14.580 --> 01:16:18.600 but however, I'm not also excusing the coverup 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:21.060 that she helped perpetuate as well too, 01:16:21.580 --> 01:16:23.080 which I think is a major issue 01:16:23.080 --> 01:16:26.780 because even if she was afraid for her life 01:16:26.780 --> 01:16:28.560 and understand she's went through a lot of trauma 01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:29.980 and put it in a very difficult position, 01:16:30.240 --> 01:16:32.480 she did kind of cover up 01:16:32.480 --> 01:16:37.000 and help perpetrate further trauma as well too, 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.340 which to me is inexcusable. 01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:43.600 Yeah, there's a lot of funny business 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.020 with Virginia Roberts-Guffrey 01:16:46.580 --> 01:16:49.760 as the years passed. 01:16:50.940 --> 01:16:53.320 In my mind, she went from being like 01:16:54.660 --> 01:16:56.980 the most trusted victim out there 01:16:57.480 --> 01:17:00.980 to perhaps the most corrupt 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:06.200 and I still don't know what to make of her final days, 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:12.980 did she tragically take a way out? 01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:14.880 Was she taken out? 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.700 Or is all that a sigh-up? 01:17:18.140 --> 01:17:19.840 I honestly don't know. 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.440 There's just so much shenanigans 01:17:23.200 --> 01:17:24.920 with everything these days 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:27.140 and I just don't know what to believe, man, 01:17:27.340 --> 01:17:29.060 but it's a good segue. 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.020 Ashley, I thought you did great. 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.180 You had all your talking points 01:17:36.180 --> 01:17:38.000 and I just let you do your thing, you did great. 01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:42.320 And I felt bringing in the Epstein stuff. 01:17:42.620 --> 01:17:47.000 So in typical fashion, 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:52.120 yesterday, Friday, we had a Friday news dump. 01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:54.360 A lot of Epstein files came out 01:17:56.140 --> 01:17:58.720 and apparently Donald Trump's name 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:03.620 was mentioned at least a thousand times, if not more. 01:18:03.620 --> 01:18:07.840 And supposedly most of those are benign messages 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.420 in regard to the Epstein files, 01:18:10.440 --> 01:18:12.720 but there's some that are like, what the heck? 01:18:13.320 --> 01:18:16.960 And one of the ones that a lot of people are talking about 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.020 is one that you and I, John, 01:18:19.180 --> 01:18:21.500 have been talking about for years at this point, 01:18:22.200 --> 01:18:24.140 the whole Katie Johnson stuff. 01:18:25.200 --> 01:18:27.120 And I want to remind people, 01:18:28.340 --> 01:18:29.620 the reason I started my show, 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:32.140 one of the biggest reasons why I started my podcast 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:34.940 was because of the Katie Johnson stuff. 01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:39.580 And when this was, you know, 2019 01:18:41.620 --> 01:18:44.500 and people were saying Trump was 01:18:46.420 --> 01:18:48.840 here to turn everything upside down. 01:18:49.240 --> 01:18:51.400 He was going to arrest the pedophiles. 01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:55.260 He was going to do all this, that I found myself. 01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:57.440 I didn't know about you at the time, John. 01:18:57.620 --> 01:18:58.980 So this is probably why. 01:18:58.980 --> 01:19:01.880 But from all the shows that I was listening to, 01:19:02.740 --> 01:19:05.600 a lot of the people in the quote unquote truth community 01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:08.100 were saying, Trump is our guy. 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:10.860 This is our guy. I voted for this guy. 01:19:11.260 --> 01:19:12.180 They were pumping them up. 01:19:12.660 --> 01:19:13.660 There were only a hand. 01:19:14.260 --> 01:19:15.720 I don't even want to say a handful. 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:17.540 There was only a couple of people out there 01:19:17.540 --> 01:19:21.000 that were railing against Trump. 01:19:21.500 --> 01:19:23.800 And one of those guys was Ed Opperman. 01:19:24.120 --> 01:19:27.420 That's why one of the ones that was really doing it at the time. 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.160 But other than that, there wasn't too many people 01:19:33.400 --> 01:19:35.580 blasting Trump for his Epstein ties. 01:19:35.940 --> 01:19:37.200 And that's what drove me nuts. 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.260 That's what motivated me to do my own damn show. 01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:43.560 I'm like, if no one's going to do it, I'm going to do it as little. 01:19:44.040 --> 01:19:45.540 I didn't have anyone following me. 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:46.680 No one was listening to me. 01:19:46.780 --> 01:19:47.260 I didn't care. 01:19:47.620 --> 01:19:49.820 I felt like I needed to do something. 01:19:50.580 --> 01:19:53.020 And fast forward a few years later. 01:19:53.580 --> 01:19:57.020 Now, a lot of the people that were pro Trump 01:19:57.420 --> 01:20:01.000 that were getting people to vote for Trump 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.340 are like, we need to vote for Trump. 01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:04.520 We now they're changing their tune. 01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.220 They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, now 01:20:08.120 --> 01:20:11.700 these are fair weather clowns in my opinion, man. 01:20:12.080 --> 01:20:18.000 But John Brisson, you you started supporting Trump at first. 01:20:18.160 --> 01:20:20.740 And now you're you're one of the louder voices out there. 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:24.160 You've been you've been on on the Trump case. 01:20:24.360 --> 01:20:25.720 You and I did a couple of shows together. 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.720 And if you guys are new listeners, check out the shows 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:30.080 that John Brisson and I have done. 01:20:30.220 --> 01:20:30.660 They've been great. 01:20:30.820 --> 01:20:34.100 We did one on the Bubba and Trump connections. 01:20:34.580 --> 01:20:39.860 We did one on the the MAGA exposed, you know, exposing the MAGA grift. 01:20:40.740 --> 01:20:44.500 And we were doing these before it became cool. 01:20:44.780 --> 01:20:46.880 Now I'm starting to see the weather change. 01:20:47.060 --> 01:20:48.940 Now a lot of people are abandoning Trump. 01:20:49.460 --> 01:20:51.660 Now a lot of people are finally waking up. 01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:56.700 But you and I, John, we've been doing this shit for years, man. 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:00.380 And to a certain degree, it's it's it's awesome. 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:01.500 You know, it's better late than never. 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:02.840 But it's still frustrating, man. 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:03.860 How do you feel about this, John? 01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:06.580 I mean, you and I talked about it privately together. 01:21:06.940 --> 01:21:11.400 And I it's good to see this stuff come out, obviously. 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.960 I had friends call me who aren't really into parapolitics, 01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:19.380 who I've talked with for years, you know, high school friends of mine. 01:21:19.380 --> 01:21:21.080 And they're only finally like, oh, 01:21:21.080 --> 01:21:23.780 did you see that Bill Clinton's a pedophile or Trump's a pedophile? 01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:27.480 And I'm like, well, yeah, duh, you know, I haven't been saying this for years. 01:21:29.180 --> 01:21:30.980 But I'm kind of like. 01:21:32.940 --> 01:21:35.500 Why? Because none of this had to come out. 01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:37.660 None of these obscene files really had to come out. 01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:41.300 You know, they could have doctored them or changed them. 01:21:41.480 --> 01:21:45.120 How corrupt the Trump administration is six ways to next Sunday. 01:21:45.460 --> 01:21:49.620 You know, like so like, why is this stuff being released? 01:21:49.620 --> 01:21:54.720 You know, why is Israel being painted as, you know, 01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:59.220 being so much involved with the Epstein nexus, with Mossad and and and, 01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:03.660 you know, like A. Hood Barak, for example, former prime minister of Israel. 01:22:03.900 --> 01:22:06.060 It's like, it's like, why, why, you know? 01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:12.560 And I see the Q the Q and on MAGA pushers on X, say, Trump, 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:16.120 you know, Jeffrey Epstein is dead and Glenn Maxwell is in prison 01:22:16.120 --> 01:22:19.260 and Nexium is gone and Lex Wexner isn't who he used to be, 01:22:19.260 --> 01:22:22.160 which there was a Victoria's Secret song. 01:22:24.100 --> 01:22:27.860 Halfway exposing Lex Wexner, that was pretty popular out there 01:22:27.860 --> 01:22:31.440 and anybody could Google Lex Wexner and see his involvement with Epstein. 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:34.020 Like, why? Like, why is this happening? 01:22:34.540 --> 01:22:37.640 And the only conclusion that could come with come to is 01:22:38.820 --> 01:22:41.120 is with what they're doing in Gaza, 01:22:41.700 --> 01:22:45.680 as far as revitalizing Gaza and turning it to a technocratic city 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:46.580 and everything like that. 01:22:47.080 --> 01:22:49.400 To me, it seems like that they want to 01:22:52.120 --> 01:22:54.260 have the Jews return back to Israel. 01:22:54.480 --> 01:22:55.420 So how do you do that? 01:22:55.580 --> 01:22:59.980 And the way that you do that is you get people to alert the crimes of Mossad 01:22:59.980 --> 01:23:03.220 and, you know, Israel and and all that. 01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:06.900 And then you have the world, you know, protests and instead of, 01:23:06.900 --> 01:23:10.300 you know, justice being done for the people that have actually committed 01:23:10.300 --> 01:23:13.600 the crimes, we usually as of having you have people turning against, 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:17.520 you know, their neighbors and then you have them return home back to Israel. 01:23:17.900 --> 01:23:20.380 Now, that's the only thing I could think of as far as like, 01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:23.320 why Israel is getting named specifically, OK? 01:23:23.460 --> 01:23:27.500 Because you have average people now that you talk about in your everyday life. 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.840 You could talk about the corruption of the Israeli government 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.780 and the IDF and the Mossad and especially how, you know, 01:23:34.120 --> 01:23:36.120 it combines with Epstein, right? 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:39.200 And then all of a sudden, you know, they'll talk to you 01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:41.440 where if this was 20 or 15 years ago, 01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:46.880 you would never be able to get I the letter I out of your mouth, you know? 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.000 And so you have that going on and then you have Trump being exposed. 01:23:51.220 --> 01:23:52.740 You have Bill Clinton be exposed. 01:23:53.240 --> 01:23:56.680 We have all these people being exposed from the right or left, 01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:00.380 which in theory, you would think would lead to a massive uprising. 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:05.020 And you would think you would think that our government would completely 01:24:05.020 --> 01:24:07.120 be demolished from the inside out, right? 01:24:07.320 --> 01:24:08.100 And everything like that. 01:24:08.100 --> 01:24:14.300 However, however, however, I don't think anything close to that is going to happen. 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.740 I think nothing will happen to Trump at all. 01:24:18.400 --> 01:24:20.860 Something might happen to Hillary and Bill 01:24:20.860 --> 01:24:23.420 because they kind of have it looking that way with, you know, 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.360 with the House Oversight Committee, maybe we'll see. 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.460 But it's something I've thought about, you know, a long time. 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.060 And I as a Christian, I do believe this is all 01:24:31.060 --> 01:24:33.320 playing the Bible prophecy and I believe Trump's anti-Christ, 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:34.340 but I'll just leave it at that. 01:24:34.340 --> 01:24:41.080 But I would say that this is going to end up leading towards from what I see, 01:24:41.260 --> 01:24:45.820 at least in theory, the the famous who line. 01:24:47.140 --> 01:24:51.760 New boss, same as the old boss, meaning you're going to have a purge 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:55.800 of people in the old guard and then you're going to have from them 01:24:55.800 --> 01:25:01.240 a new guard come up and from then they're going to look like they're better. 01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:02.580 But in reality, they're not. 01:25:03.260 --> 01:25:06.580 And I think Trump is going to come out completely Teflon in this. 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:10.560 And to be honest, something I've talked about with you, Weezy, 01:25:11.380 --> 01:25:17.660 is I got Epstein fatigue because like how much more like we already knew all this stuff. 01:25:17.740 --> 01:25:20.520 And I'm not trying to say that this is all secret or hidden knowledge. 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:22.260 And this has been on the Internet for years. 01:25:22.440 --> 01:25:23.660 This is Pizza Gate 2.0. 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:28.540 I literally saw the same Pizza Gate players out there saying it's Pizza 01:25:28.540 --> 01:25:30.940 Gate 2.0 and how they're all sick. 01:25:30.940 --> 01:25:32.280 You had Michael Flynn Jr. 01:25:32.460 --> 01:25:35.600 He's sick to his stomach, Weezy and Ashley, sick to his stomach. 01:25:36.140 --> 01:25:39.340 You know, it's like, dude, come on, come on. 01:25:39.460 --> 01:25:42.200 Like I'm supposed to believe that you're really sick to your stomach about all this crap. 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.500 You know, I mean, this is ridiculous. 01:25:45.380 --> 01:25:48.100 So it's like this is what we're going to deal with now. 01:25:48.480 --> 01:25:50.620 Now, when you go to the water cooler, 01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:56.260 all all the regular people that you talk with are going to talk about all this. 01:25:56.480 --> 01:25:57.540 They're going to talk about Epstein. 01:25:57.660 --> 01:25:59.740 They're going to talk about Trump and Bubba, you know, 01:25:59.740 --> 01:26:04.000 like that as far as, you know, I'm going to read something a little bit 01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.500 from Theos, if you're from Alice Bailey. 01:26:06.620 --> 01:26:08.280 This is the externalization of hierarchy. 01:26:08.860 --> 01:26:13.800 This is when people see the world for how it is. 01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:20.760 The problem is, you know, my mindset six years ago, this is a great thing. 01:26:21.400 --> 01:26:24.300 My mindset now is I'm sick to my stomach over it, 01:26:25.040 --> 01:26:28.480 but not from what I'm seeing, but from what is to come. 01:26:29.100 --> 01:26:32.320 And that might be that might change between all three of us and our, 01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:33.920 you know, our opinions on that matter. 01:26:35.020 --> 01:26:39.160 But yeah, do I feel is it good to feel vindicated that you're right? 01:26:40.460 --> 01:26:44.000 Yeah. But the thing is, is like, what is it going to lead to? 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:46.880 You know, what is going to happen from this? 01:26:47.700 --> 01:26:49.460 And it could be multiple scenarios. 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.960 I know we see you and I've talked about multiple scenarios 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:53.860 that we keep in our head of what could happen. 01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:57.840 Right. And one of those be absolutely nothing happens. 01:26:58.740 --> 01:26:59.600 That's one. 01:27:00.740 --> 01:27:03.560 That's the one I think is going to happen. 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.240 I mean, it is wild to me that. 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:08.940 You know, especially the last couple of days, 01:27:09.740 --> 01:27:15.300 this is completely anecdotal, obviously, but seeing the mood on X, for example. 01:27:16.240 --> 01:27:22.880 Ever since Elon took it over seems like the most of the voices, at least 01:27:23.480 --> 01:27:27.620 through my algorithms was mostly right wing, right, leaning type of stuff, 01:27:27.620 --> 01:27:32.180 you know, pro Trump, pro Maga, this pro Elon, this and that. 01:27:33.320 --> 01:27:37.460 And the the sentiment I've been getting, and I don't know 01:27:37.460 --> 01:27:41.860 if the Algos are messing with me, but at least what I'm seeing is 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:48.180 even people that supported Trump hardcore, even up until last week 01:27:48.650 --> 01:27:52.000 are now like, yeah, I don't know about this guy anymore. 01:27:52.540 --> 01:27:56.120 And that to me is totally bananas that. 01:27:57.060 --> 01:28:00.240 Right now, we have a president, he's president of the United States. 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:07.860 And a lot of people know about these rape allegations against a little girl. 01:28:09.360 --> 01:28:12.980 So and before, if you said Trump was a petal, 01:28:13.580 --> 01:28:14.820 you're like, you've got nothing. 01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:16.380 You've got nothing to say that. 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:17.340 How dare you say that? 01:28:17.500 --> 01:28:19.160 That's a that's a democratic hoax. 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:21.780 Now there's stuff out there. 01:28:24.320 --> 01:28:25.880 And what is Maga doing? 01:28:26.120 --> 01:28:29.360 A lot of Maga is like, well, you know, if he's guilty, I guess that's bad. 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:30.680 They're backpedaling. 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:34.680 When we know for a damn fact, had it been Bill Clinton, 01:28:35.580 --> 01:28:39.420 had it been any of these Democrats, they'd be 01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:42.540 dropped, spiking footballs, they'd be jumping. 01:28:43.120 --> 01:28:45.700 They'd be out on the street screaming with bull. 01:28:47.060 --> 01:28:51.640 Now that they're guys there, it's like, but to me, that's telling 01:28:52.100 --> 01:28:53.700 because they're even like, well, you know, 01:28:54.500 --> 01:28:58.640 they're having a second, they're having second thoughts about their leader. 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:01.860 And that to me is bananas, man, because. 01:29:03.460 --> 01:29:04.220 I don't know. 01:29:04.300 --> 01:29:07.400 I thought Trump was unshakable in many ways that he kept. 01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:09.240 You just said he's Teflon. 01:29:09.900 --> 01:29:10.440 I don't know, man. 01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:15.660 I'm starting to think his his armor is starting to lose a lot of shine, man, 01:29:16.140 --> 01:29:19.760 especially with the last couple of weeks, man, fumble after fumble 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.560 man. And with this news drop on Friday, 01:29:24.500 --> 01:29:29.260 I'm curious to see how the mood's going to, you know, going to become Monday and Tuesday. 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:31.320 It's wild. 01:29:31.620 --> 01:29:33.440 Actually, I've been yapping for a little bit. 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:34.400 Actually, what are your thoughts? 01:29:36.540 --> 01:29:40.420 Yes, I wanted to say address what John was saying 01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:43.160 originally about Virginia Jouffray. 01:29:43.480 --> 01:29:45.900 And I do think that that's a very valuable point. 01:29:46.060 --> 01:29:48.580 And a lot of times these people who have been abused 01:29:48.580 --> 01:29:51.100 then go on to become the abusers. 01:29:51.120 --> 01:29:53.420 That is the generational nature of abuse. 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.120 And I think it's very fair to ask questions about Virginia, 01:29:57.340 --> 01:30:02.400 especially because of the prominence that she was placed in, you know, 01:30:02.480 --> 01:30:05.460 in the story at large, definitely agree with that. 01:30:06.360 --> 01:30:11.640 And then in regards to what we're seeing now with the ebbs seen in the Trump, 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:16.180 I agree why, you know, there's a lot of people that are like, 01:30:16.180 --> 01:30:19.640 we're being distracted from, you know, ice with the ebbs seen files 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.900 or we're being distracted from the war and Iran with the ebs seen files 01:30:22.900 --> 01:30:26.100 or or Iran is distracting us from the ebs seen files. 01:30:26.220 --> 01:30:27.560 I don't really know. 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.540 What I think it is is information warfare 01:30:30.540 --> 01:30:36.480 and we're cycling at an incredibly rapid rate for divisive stories. 01:30:36.740 --> 01:30:40.380 The algorithm is working overtime to make that keep people stirred up. 01:30:40.440 --> 01:30:44.300 It's like putting, you know, your hand in an in an anthill. 01:30:44.300 --> 01:30:49.160 You're stirring, you're keeping people agitated and they're literally 01:30:49.160 --> 01:30:54.120 their life forces being drained, arguing about these various things. 01:30:54.320 --> 01:30:59.940 But as far as why are we actually supposedly getting some document 01:30:59.940 --> 01:31:01.140 releases on ebs seen? 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:06.440 I don't know either, especially some that seem to truly implicate Trump 01:31:07.440 --> 01:31:08.980 from his Department of Justice. 01:31:09.460 --> 01:31:10.960 I don't understand that either. 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.560 And then, of course, I don't necessarily understand 01:31:14.080 --> 01:31:18.200 understand what like what you were talking about with controlled noticing 01:31:18.200 --> 01:31:22.540 a little bit with putting all of this like bad publicity for Israel out there. 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:23.620 Very obvious. 01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:28.200 And one of the things that we talked about on our Vietnam episode 01:31:28.200 --> 01:31:31.960 was the Phoenix program, which is the terror and torture program 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:38.380 that was in Vietnam and in order to help not only break supply chains 01:31:38.380 --> 01:31:41.800 and and affect people mentally, emotionally, spiritually, 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:47.020 but it also the war at large helped to transition 01:31:47.480 --> 01:31:51.520 the country of Vietnam north and south from this agrarian society 01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:54.960 to whatever the the West wanted it to be. 01:31:55.160 --> 01:31:59.380 And I feel like that is what we are seeing in real time in Gaza, 01:31:59.380 --> 01:32:00.680 maybe in Ukraine. 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.140 I've had my questions about Ukraine because why did we have all of this 01:32:04.140 --> 01:32:06.880 footage of of the ruins of Gaza? 01:32:07.620 --> 01:32:09.620 But we don't see much out of Ukraine. 01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:13.420 But if both of these places are in forever wars 01:32:13.420 --> 01:32:17.660 and they're being continually destroyed, then I think that that is 01:32:17.660 --> 01:32:20.200 Vietnam 2.0 and 3.0. 01:32:20.240 --> 01:32:21.620 That's the destruction of this place 01:32:21.620 --> 01:32:24.100 so we can build something else with the technocratic state. 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:28.600 Yeah, I agree with you. 01:32:28.700 --> 01:32:30.560 I think it's psychological operations, Ashley. 01:32:32.200 --> 01:32:34.700 I don't believe anymore of like, 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:36.520 what are they trying to distract us from? 01:32:37.200 --> 01:32:39.440 Because they could never tell us and they could make it 01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:41.060 so that we don't even know in the first place. 01:32:41.540 --> 01:32:44.300 So like will distract us from what, you know? 01:32:44.480 --> 01:32:46.160 And so I no longer think that anymore. 01:32:46.280 --> 01:32:48.080 I think they're running psychological and 01:32:48.080 --> 01:32:51.000 psychographical operations and spiritual operations, too. 01:32:51.180 --> 01:32:54.700 But, you know, on the on on the worldwide population 01:32:54.700 --> 01:32:57.720 through social media, through algorithms, through news, 01:32:58.040 --> 01:33:02.140 through bots, you know, to drive whatever 01:33:04.940 --> 01:33:07.700 narrative they want people to believe. 01:33:08.340 --> 01:33:11.260 And we all, all of us here and everybody listening, 01:33:11.500 --> 01:33:13.620 we all fall for it from some degree. 01:33:13.860 --> 01:33:14.900 Don't think we're above it. 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.220 We ain't. All right. 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.880 And, you know, it's tough. 01:33:20.040 --> 01:33:23.840 But I look at more like that now instead of the stereotypical 01:33:24.340 --> 01:33:29.040 kind of like conspiracy culture mindset from like 20 years ago 01:33:29.040 --> 01:33:30.200 that I used to believe, too, is like, 01:33:30.200 --> 01:33:31.880 where are they trying to keep us from knowing? 01:33:32.540 --> 01:33:34.160 You know, we don't ever have to know. 01:33:34.620 --> 01:33:36.180 You know, there's stuff that happens around the world 01:33:36.180 --> 01:33:39.380 that none of us know, you know, that are sitting here, 01:33:39.540 --> 01:33:41.620 you know, all three of us talking and people listening. 01:33:41.820 --> 01:33:43.740 It happens all the time and none of us know about it, 01:33:43.940 --> 01:33:46.240 you know? So then the question is, is why? 01:33:46.820 --> 01:33:49.220 And then the question is, is why now? 01:33:49.860 --> 01:33:51.940 You know, and that my belief, that again, 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:55.580 my belief is, is it's going to whatever 01:33:57.220 --> 01:33:58.640 they want to accomplish. 01:33:59.260 --> 01:34:01.680 And I do believe that, you know, we like to think 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:04.460 it's one singular world order, right? 01:34:05.140 --> 01:34:07.820 But I do believe it's kind of like more of a mafioso family 01:34:07.820 --> 01:34:10.600 where they do compete more often than we think that they do. 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.620 And they do try to harm each other more than I think they do. 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:16.060 I think they have a goal that they want to accomplish. 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:18.620 But and it's something I go back and forth 01:34:18.620 --> 01:34:21.200 because I talk a lot about, we've read the documents of it 01:34:21.200 --> 01:34:22.400 kind of being a singular thing. 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:24.400 But I really don't think it is a singular thing. 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:26.980 You know, I think they do a lot of fighting 01:34:26.980 --> 01:34:31.080 and but they do want goals that they ultimately want to accomplish. 01:34:32.440 --> 01:34:37.240 And so I don't know, you know, I don't know exactly why now. 01:34:37.340 --> 01:34:38.900 We have the controlled noticing going on, 01:34:39.160 --> 01:34:41.380 the controlled externalization of the hierarchy with Epstein 01:34:41.380 --> 01:34:44.800 and, you know, ritual satanic abuse and all that coming forward 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:45.600 and stuff like that. 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:48.320 Like what's next, the false alien invasion 01:34:48.320 --> 01:34:51.460 and false project, you know, Bluebeam or whatever, 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:53.780 like what's next coming down the pipeline? 01:34:54.180 --> 01:34:56.580 Because obviously this is what they're doing. 01:34:57.180 --> 01:35:01.180 Obviously, this is how they're setting it up and they want us to know 01:35:01.780 --> 01:35:05.340 because they like again, like Trump had all the time in the world, like also 01:35:07.080 --> 01:35:10.220 like with Palantir, Palantir work with the Biden administration 01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:11.720 and work with the Trump administration, right? 01:35:12.040 --> 01:35:16.800 All this data could never had to be released to the American public. 01:35:17.220 --> 01:35:18.640 But yeah, here we are. 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:20.960 And yet here, all three of us are talking about it. 01:35:21.980 --> 01:35:26.320 So, you know, again, it makes me think that it's for psychological 01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:29.080 and psychographical operations. 01:35:29.740 --> 01:35:32.420 They want to play on people's personalities and emotions 01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:39.200 and they want people to think a certain way about certain events. 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.240 And yes, do I believe that a lot of the information that we had 01:35:42.240 --> 01:35:45.600 because Weezy and I knew about Katie Johnson years ago, right? 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:50.060 They still bury Katie Johnson and they're still burying Katie Johnson today. 01:35:50.540 --> 01:35:55.400 Yes. But, you know, as far as a large larger narrative 01:35:55.400 --> 01:36:00.660 is concerned, I think overall it's whatever they're trying 01:36:00.660 --> 01:36:03.480 to get people to feel and think. 01:36:04.420 --> 01:36:08.880 And again, you know, if they want to do World War Three 01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:11.400 or war in Iran or civil war, 01:36:13.700 --> 01:36:16.860 what how anybody listening to us three here, how are we ever going 01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:19.360 to accomplish to try to stop anything like that? 01:36:19.460 --> 01:36:21.400 It's not if they want to do it, they're going to do it. 01:36:22.280 --> 01:36:26.360 So that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, you know? 01:36:26.900 --> 01:36:29.900 And again, when I'm seeing all this stuff and I know, you know, Weezy, 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:30.980 I know you and I've talked about it. 01:36:31.340 --> 01:36:33.720 It's like, yeah, I'm glad to be confirmed. 01:36:34.440 --> 01:36:36.380 But at the same time, I'm just like, 01:36:38.280 --> 01:36:41.900 you know, because this isn't going to lead to some massive, 01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:48.180 you know, outcry and, you know, rebellion against Donald Trump. 01:36:48.940 --> 01:36:49.900 I just don't see it. 01:36:49.900 --> 01:36:50.920 I just don't see it happening. 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:56.680 Look at all these things that have occurred the last couple years, COVID. 01:36:58.460 --> 01:37:05.540 A lot of people got screwed over with COVID and. 01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:10.660 Nothing happened, you know, we just complied. 01:37:10.900 --> 01:37:14.140 It's almost like in the back of our memories, you would have. 01:37:15.140 --> 01:37:21.460 Some people applauding the measures that happened six years ago as completely necessary. 01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:24.780 I'm like, what realities did we live? 01:37:25.980 --> 01:37:30.380 You think that was OK, but no mass revolts happened. 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:36.100 Then, you know, look at what's going on right now. 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:38.460 People are mad with the ice. 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.380 Killings and so on and so forth. 01:37:43.860 --> 01:37:48.980 And you even have Trump saying, take away the guns, you know, which is hilarious 01:37:48.980 --> 01:37:54.760 because I made a tweet about that the other day, where this is how they're 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:55.720 going to take away the guns. 01:37:56.040 --> 01:37:59.480 The left is already mostly anti gun as it is. 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.600 You just needed to throw a Trojan horse on the right. 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:04.580 And that Trojan horse is Trump. 01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:09.100 And although I don't know what these. 01:38:09.820 --> 01:38:12.800 Now that now they're pro gun, Weezy, now they're pro gun. 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:14.640 And that's the craziest thing about it is. 01:38:15.500 --> 01:38:18.780 The the weapons, if they have the weapons that they claim, they have 01:38:18.780 --> 01:38:21.700 like psychotronic weapons and stuff like that, like if they truly do, right? 01:38:22.240 --> 01:38:23.360 What's our guns going to do? 01:38:23.940 --> 01:38:24.840 What are they going to do? 01:38:25.060 --> 01:38:29.120 You know, at the point, what's your little what's your 22 going to do? 01:38:29.340 --> 01:38:32.760 And I understand guerrilla warfare, but Americans don't have an 01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:34.320 hit them for guerrilla warfare. 01:38:34.660 --> 01:38:35.920 We just don't. 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:40.720 And if I kind of get it, there's been, I'll just finish up. 01:38:41.040 --> 01:38:45.940 It's just there's been plenty of these instances, the last few years alone. 01:38:46.580 --> 01:38:50.620 I'm not talking about over decades, just the last few years alone, where 01:38:50.620 --> 01:38:56.460 we should have stood up and revolted and we've done nothing. 01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:01.400 So I hate saying this because people are going, oh, you're just a black 01:39:01.400 --> 01:39:02.880 pillar. Oh, I don't give a shit. 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:03.660 It's reality. 01:39:04.280 --> 01:39:06.000 We're not going to do nothing about it. 01:39:06.120 --> 01:39:06.480 Unfortunately. 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:07.980 Sorry, Ashley, go ahead. 01:39:10.040 --> 01:39:13.060 Don't interrupt me, Weezy, when I'm vibing, I'm just kidding. 01:39:14.480 --> 01:39:15.200 Just joking. 01:39:15.540 --> 01:39:21.540 But oh my gosh, I did actually lose the point that I wanted to make. 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:22.480 Oh, no, sorry. 01:39:22.860 --> 01:39:23.940 No, no, no apologies. 01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:27.460 You were you were talking, but I don't know. 01:39:27.580 --> 01:39:28.480 Maybe it'll come back to me. 01:39:28.540 --> 01:39:28.940 I'm sorry. 01:39:32.020 --> 01:39:37.320 Yeah, I mean, that's really the only thing I wanted to say is 01:39:37.980 --> 01:39:39.140 people are going to get butter. 01:39:39.480 --> 01:39:42.160 People are going to get angry for me being a black pillar. 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.520 I've been called the black pillar lately. 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.280 And yeah, I've been called black for a long time. 01:39:48.020 --> 01:39:49.700 Yeah. And I'm like, all right, whatever, man. 01:39:51.480 --> 01:39:53.880 You can go ahead and believe in your little fairy tale. 01:39:54.020 --> 01:39:55.980 You can believe Trump is going to save you 01:39:56.540 --> 01:39:58.840 even though he's balls deep in the house. 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:01.260 And that isn't conjecture anymore. 01:40:01.440 --> 01:40:03.040 This is a fact now. 01:40:03.160 --> 01:40:05.200 I say, I say, I, Weezy, it's artificial. 01:40:05.320 --> 01:40:06.820 Oh, yeah, it's a democratic hopes. 01:40:07.200 --> 01:40:09.480 That's what I'm here, a democratic host, artificial intelligence. 01:40:10.500 --> 01:40:14.220 Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's yeah. 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:15.540 And we're not going to do nothing. 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:17.860 Sorry. Oh, it looks like it's come back to you. 01:40:18.080 --> 01:40:18.500 Go ahead, Ashley. 01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:19.680 It did come back to me. 01:40:20.020 --> 01:40:22.060 So when John was talking about guerrilla warfare 01:40:22.060 --> 01:40:24.340 and this is something I think about a lot, right? 01:40:24.420 --> 01:40:26.280 Because we do have a lot of guns in the United States 01:40:26.280 --> 01:40:29.360 and a lot of people, especially in the Liberty community, 01:40:29.480 --> 01:40:32.080 are like, oh, you think that we can't do anything 01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:33.000 against your military? 01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:33.820 Just ask Vietnam. 01:40:34.440 --> 01:40:37.620 But per what John was saying, the people in Vietnam 01:40:37.620 --> 01:40:39.300 were very well connected. 01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:42.920 They had very connected whisper networks, essentially, 01:40:43.400 --> 01:40:47.320 where people could communicate with one another in real life. 01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:50.340 This isn't using tech that's already infiltrated by the feds. 01:40:50.780 --> 01:40:53.220 And in order to do the training, first of all, 01:40:53.260 --> 01:40:56.060 they were trained by the CIA, Ho Chi Minh, 01:40:56.060 --> 01:40:58.280 and the Viet Cong were at the beginning of this whole thing. 01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:02.740 And also when they were training, even to fight against the French, 01:41:03.180 --> 01:41:07.600 they went to malaria infested swamps to train 01:41:08.420 --> 01:41:10.080 because they couldn't be accessed there. 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:14.420 So I don't see anybody who's saying that we're going to take on 01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:16.940 a totalitarian government with American guns. 01:41:17.400 --> 01:41:21.380 I do not see them acknowledging the sacrifice of going and training 01:41:21.380 --> 01:41:24.820 in a malaria infested swamp in order to facilitate that. 01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:28.960 Never mind the community building that absolutely would be required 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:31.420 without any use of technology. 01:41:31.660 --> 01:41:33.060 So I just wanted to put that out there. 01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:34.660 No, I agree with you, Ashley. 01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:37.520 We don't have it's not it's long gone. 01:41:37.700 --> 01:41:41.240 It's long gone in the Patriot community once you think that it is and it is. 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:46.000 And, you know, I, you know, I wanted to, you know, discuss too. 01:41:46.080 --> 01:41:49.060 Now, do hold out the possibility because, you know, 01:41:49.100 --> 01:41:52.420 we as United Being ITPs were able to hold multiple possibilities in our head. 01:41:52.500 --> 01:41:54.340 There's one that we think is going to be the likely one, 01:41:54.340 --> 01:41:56.440 but we're able to hold multiple possibilities in our head. 01:41:57.040 --> 01:42:02.240 One of my new hold is, like I said, where one side goes down, you know, 01:42:02.420 --> 01:42:05.620 you could say it's the controlled great reset to the false great awakening. 01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:10.540 OK, so like one side goes down and one side stays kind of relatively 01:42:10.540 --> 01:42:12.360 squeaky clean out of it. All right. 01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:18.080 So you could have a disclosure where, you know, 01:42:18.220 --> 01:42:21.800 Trump was robbed of the 2020 election and, you know, 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:23.200 and look at all this other stuff. 01:42:23.480 --> 01:42:26.580 And you could have eventually where the stuff that came out against Trump 01:42:26.580 --> 01:42:27.780 and the Epstein files. 01:42:28.180 --> 01:42:30.580 Well, you know, that was all a democratic hoax. 01:42:30.660 --> 01:42:31.360 And here's the proof. 01:42:31.480 --> 01:42:33.860 Now, I'm not saying it is, but I'm saying that's what could be fed. 01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:36.740 And all of a sudden they're rounding up Barack Hussein Obama. 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:41.700 They're rounding up, you know, the Clintons and they're doing public mass executions. 01:42:43.540 --> 01:42:44.900 Maybe, maybe, you know, 01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:48.520 it's happened before revolutions where one side goes down and the other side goes up. 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:51.820 All right. That could happen still. 01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:55.500 Now, sometimes I think yes. 01:42:55.740 --> 01:42:56.580 Sometimes I think no. 01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.920 And if that happens, I'm not saying it's a good thing. 01:43:01.040 --> 01:43:02.560 Patriots are in control. OK. 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.300 Like that would be, you know, you're you're cute on person. 01:43:05.400 --> 01:43:06.700 Is it happening? Is it happening? 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.880 You know, but I will say something I find very interesting 01:43:10.440 --> 01:43:11.640 is there are building camps. 01:43:11.820 --> 01:43:14.880 They've been building camps for a long time, but now you have them actually 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:18.900 at least if the information is correct and true, 01:43:19.340 --> 01:43:25.120 them getting like massive warehouses ready for whatever is coming. 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.000 All right. Now, something that I would think about is going on. 01:43:28.040 --> 01:43:30.300 I know this is speculative is 01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:34.060 I don't know if they've, you know, the Trump administration. 01:43:34.580 --> 01:43:36.960 I don't think it was happening during Biden, but it could have been. 01:43:37.060 --> 01:43:38.340 But I think it's happening during Trump administration. 01:43:39.100 --> 01:43:43.060 I think that the homeless people have been disappearing. 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:47.720 And there have been some normy YouTube channels have been covering it. 01:43:48.240 --> 01:43:53.140 All right. And, you know, they're supposed to be a shout out to Heidi Love. 01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:58.200 They're supposed to be a major camp out there for the homeless 01:43:58.200 --> 01:44:01.080 and for the mentally ill put forth out there in Utah. 01:44:01.580 --> 01:44:04.380 All right. So again, like 01:44:05.240 --> 01:44:09.020 unless you're, you know, working directly in the homeless community, 01:44:10.260 --> 01:44:12.180 you know, and there have been some homeless people 01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:16.200 that I've noticed around that I used to see all the time have disappeared. 01:44:16.500 --> 01:44:17.720 But, you know, something could have happened to them. 01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:18.740 They could have moved like I can't. 01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:21.140 You know, that's just could be just bias, you know. 01:44:21.280 --> 01:44:25.160 But what if that's been going on these past few, you know, 01:44:25.180 --> 01:44:28.820 this past year since Trump has got in where, you know, 01:44:29.360 --> 01:44:30.820 there are people that have started missing. 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.080 Like what if the camps have already started happening 01:44:33.500 --> 01:44:36.180 and people that conspiracy culture have been saying for years 01:44:36.700 --> 01:44:39.020 is just kind of just going by the wayside 01:44:39.020 --> 01:44:41.980 because nobody's really paying attention, you know? 01:44:41.980 --> 01:44:43.860 Like am I wrong to think that, Weezy? 01:44:43.980 --> 01:44:45.120 Am I wrong to think that, Ash? 01:44:45.200 --> 01:44:46.420 I mean, you know, tell me if I am. 01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:49.260 But I think in some regards that is going on. 01:44:55.780 --> 01:44:59.840 I certainly think that that's a really interesting theory 01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:01.560 and a possibility, John. 01:45:02.060 --> 01:45:06.100 I do think that we know we have historical evidence to know 01:45:06.100 --> 01:45:10.460 that people in the the cryptocracy 01:45:11.020 --> 01:45:13.080 that all of these institutions, 01:45:13.420 --> 01:45:15.980 whether that's the intelligentsia and universities 01:45:15.980 --> 01:45:20.060 and whoever else they're involved with prison, prison ministry. 01:45:20.660 --> 01:45:24.160 We know that this is the people that nobody cares about. 01:45:24.580 --> 01:45:27.680 That is who they use in their experiments. 01:45:28.140 --> 01:45:31.180 They use the people that are truly disadvantaged 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:34.680 in order to learn whatever they want to learn 01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:37.600 to get away with whatever they want to get away with. 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.360 So it certainly would not surprise me to learn 01:45:40.360 --> 01:45:43.660 that this is a possible something that they're setting up. 01:45:43.700 --> 01:45:47.280 And we know that they they track the dissemination of stories. 01:45:47.460 --> 01:45:49.640 They see who's saying what, who's retweeting it, 01:45:49.820 --> 01:45:53.540 who is liking pro-Zionist or anti-Zionist posts. 01:45:53.780 --> 01:45:55.960 Like, oh, they're sealing our data constantly. 01:45:56.440 --> 01:45:59.580 And so it would not surprise me 01:45:59.580 --> 01:46:02.640 that there would be a continuation of human experiments 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:05.060 to see how do these people do in the camps? 01:46:05.400 --> 01:46:06.900 The people that nobody cares about, 01:46:06.900 --> 01:46:09.320 the people that nobody knows that they're missing. 01:46:09.480 --> 01:46:12.500 And we also know that they have cultivated a huge amount 01:46:12.500 --> 01:46:15.440 of homeless people through the war on drugs, 01:46:15.540 --> 01:46:19.580 which is the war on us through deliberately cultivating 01:46:19.580 --> 01:46:23.540 mental illness through going after the family units to, 01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:29.060 you know, the like homeless military veterans or people who have, 01:46:29.700 --> 01:46:33.680 you know, issues when they come home from something like that 01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:34.520 and they're not cared for. 01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:39.500 And in a million other ways that the the loneliness, 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:42.080 the isolation that has been cultivated from COVID 01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:46.320 to create this huge population of homeless people 01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:50.220 or of the unhoused, you know, people who are in despair. 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.840 And then they're taking advantage of it wouldn't surprise me. 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:57.200 Yeah, we had Elon Musk tweeting out, 01:46:57.260 --> 01:46:59.120 I think the public will be rightly frustrated 01:46:59.120 --> 01:47:01.720 if no one's prosecuted from the Epstein quiet list. 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:03.360 If no prosecutions emerge, 01:47:03.500 --> 01:47:05.140 it'll be proof that institutions are a sham. 01:47:05.280 --> 01:47:07.560 They no longer serve the public good. 01:47:08.140 --> 01:47:10.100 So out of that, you could have the prosecutions, 01:47:10.220 --> 01:47:12.960 but out of that, you may not have the prosecutions instead 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:14.420 because the government is so corrupt. 01:47:14.560 --> 01:47:16.380 Therefore, we have to have artificial intelligence 01:47:16.380 --> 01:47:18.160 run the government. 01:47:18.620 --> 01:47:19.700 You can have one or the other. 01:47:19.860 --> 01:47:20.780 And I eventually I do believe 01:47:20.780 --> 01:47:23.680 that artificial intelligence will be running the government 01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:26.660 and in fact, the whole world as the image of the beast 01:47:26.660 --> 01:47:27.240 as you're there. 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:30.620 But, you know, I do think that, you know, 01:47:30.620 --> 01:47:32.520 again, they're setting that up for, 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:34.960 we know Elon Musk, you and I have talked about it. 01:47:35.260 --> 01:47:40.220 Elon Musk is deeply involved with, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, 01:47:40.460 --> 01:47:44.100 you know, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Palantir, you know, PayPal, 01:47:44.820 --> 01:47:47.320 you know, and even though there was supposedly a fallout 01:47:47.320 --> 01:47:50.360 over PayPal over Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, 01:47:50.460 --> 01:47:52.080 I don't believe that at all. 01:47:53.460 --> 01:47:55.860 And, you know, there was even an interesting email 01:47:56.420 --> 01:47:58.960 in the records where they were read 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:02.820 Hoffman of LinkedIn fame was discussing how the cryptocurrencies, 01:48:03.700 --> 01:48:08.120 XRP and Stellar were kind of like a, you know, the threat, 01:48:08.200 --> 01:48:10.720 but they're both funded by the same person 01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:13.420 and that same person, in my opinion, is Peter Thiel. 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:14.220 All right. 01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:17.300 And so, you know, I think that, you know, 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:19.480 interesting enough with Elon Musk, 01:48:20.380 --> 01:48:24.220 you know, Epstein data dump 01:48:24.220 --> 01:48:28.160 within, you know, the files is I think all three of us, 01:48:28.160 --> 01:48:29.700 I'm not trying to speak for you, Ashley, 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.600 but I think all three of us think that all of them are guilty. 01:48:33.580 --> 01:48:34.560 You know, Elon Musk is guilty, 01:48:35.080 --> 01:48:36.940 but the way that the 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:42.180 emails are written, except for one that I've seen, maybe two, 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:44.960 do give him somewhat a little bit of plausible 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.100 deniability to the people that like Elon Musk. 01:48:48.160 --> 01:48:50.740 And there's people that don't trust Trump that like Elon Musk. 01:48:51.240 --> 01:48:53.560 OK, you know, you see that a lot on X, you know, 01:48:54.240 --> 01:48:57.960 that could just be a lot of people just kind of, you know, 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:01.340 pleasing, you know, saying pleasing words about Elon Musk 01:49:01.340 --> 01:49:06.180 just because they want they want to stay on X, right? 01:49:06.240 --> 01:49:08.180 And get boosted in the algorithms or whatever, right? 01:49:08.260 --> 01:49:10.440 But you do see a lot more of that, too. 01:49:11.220 --> 01:49:14.460 So again, I don't I don't think Elon Musk is going to be 01:49:14.460 --> 01:49:17.960 if one side goes down as a right now and closing. 01:49:18.180 --> 01:49:19.780 And I want to hear what Weezy's thoughts are. 01:49:20.260 --> 01:49:23.600 Um, I think it's primarily going to be the left side. 01:49:24.300 --> 01:49:26.840 You might have some right people thrown in it as well. 01:49:26.840 --> 01:49:29.820 But I don't I don't think Trump and Musk are going to go down. 01:49:29.940 --> 01:49:32.840 And if they do, I'll eat a hat, because I really just don't think that they will. 01:49:33.360 --> 01:49:35.540 At least if they do, it's not going to be any time soon. 01:49:39.160 --> 01:49:41.960 My thoughts, I don't know and I don't care. 01:49:42.420 --> 01:49:43.760 I just do my own damn thing. 01:49:45.260 --> 01:49:47.060 Um, it. 01:49:48.460 --> 01:49:50.460 Been saying this for the last few weeks 01:49:51.080 --> 01:49:56.160 that I haven't been paying attention too much to these politics. 01:49:56.160 --> 01:50:03.200 I'll catch a headline here and there, but I honestly, it's it's just too much bullshit, man. 01:50:04.060 --> 01:50:07.900 I've been going down like. 01:50:09.940 --> 01:50:14.720 Philosophical, philosophical avenues and reading ancient writings and. 01:50:16.040 --> 01:50:19.800 Ways of understanding this week, I focused on. 01:50:20.700 --> 01:50:23.900 Hearing different people talk about what they think is consciousness. 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.860 That's the stuff I'm feeling with my mind these days. 01:50:28.160 --> 01:50:31.720 Like this whole Elon Musk and the technocratic state, it's already here. 01:50:32.380 --> 01:50:33.620 What am I going to do? 01:50:34.420 --> 01:50:36.940 Like here, you hear you be, be ready. 01:50:37.200 --> 01:50:40.160 The technocratic state, they're already here, man. 01:50:41.420 --> 01:50:48.300 I mean, I could, I guess, get balls deep into it and finding 01:50:48.300 --> 01:50:49.860 all Peter Teal's doing this now. 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:50.940 Oh my gosh. 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:52.820 You're not right. 01:50:52.840 --> 01:50:54.160 It's already here, man. 01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:57.220 You're not writing your congressman and getting together protests 01:50:57.220 --> 01:51:02.060 and and and you know, whipping the people up into a frenzy to stand up against it. 01:51:02.120 --> 01:51:03.380 How dare you, black pillar? 01:51:04.240 --> 01:51:08.940 Yeah, so I guess you can call me a black pill, but I'm a happy black pill 01:51:08.940 --> 01:51:11.260 because I'm not letting it get to me. 01:51:11.820 --> 01:51:13.860 I'm not like I know it's bad. 01:51:14.120 --> 01:51:18.880 I know it's horrible and I don't think I think we're too far down 01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:21.840 this way to do any significant change. 01:51:22.440 --> 01:51:26.880 Now, with my little podcast, I feel like I'm trying to wake some people up 01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:28.660 and maybe it's working to a small degree. 01:51:28.900 --> 01:51:31.540 That's my contribution to humanity. 01:51:31.740 --> 01:51:33.640 But I think we're too I'm being realistic. 01:51:33.860 --> 01:51:36.080 It's not that I'm being a negative Nancy. 01:51:36.360 --> 01:51:39.680 If I was a negative Nancy, I'd be crying right now and be wallowing. 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:42.460 And I'm still trying to enlighten myself. 01:51:42.740 --> 01:51:46.420 Even though the technocratic state is already here, I'm still trying 01:51:46.420 --> 01:51:50.760 to become the Weezy Buddha or some shit, you know what I mean? 01:51:50.940 --> 01:51:55.160 So I want to be the happiest black pillar you'll ever meet. 01:51:55.640 --> 01:51:56.620 Like, yeah, we're fucked. 01:51:56.780 --> 01:52:00.760 But I'm not I'm not just going to lay down and cry 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.660 and suck my thumb with a blanket now, man. I'm chilling. 01:52:04.140 --> 01:52:05.660 I'm going to I'm going to ride this. 01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:07.900 I'm going to go with the vibe, man. 01:52:08.080 --> 01:52:08.860 So it's all good. 01:52:09.440 --> 01:52:10.280 So that's my views. 01:52:10.900 --> 01:52:15.460 I know it doesn't answer your question, John, but I like respectfully 01:52:15.460 --> 01:52:20.560 and you know me, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't be rude by this. 01:52:20.660 --> 01:52:24.540 But I don't care what Trump and Elon Musk are up to or any of that shit. 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.000 I don't I honestly don't care to be honest. 01:52:27.120 --> 01:52:29.760 It's a waste of time for all it is to be honest. 01:52:30.340 --> 01:52:31.720 But I mean, what do we got to talk about? 01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:34.920 We got to, you know, I mean, like to do to a degree. 01:52:35.200 --> 01:52:38.720 What do we why do you think I've been doing like Seneca shows 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:44.380 and and the epic of Gilgamesh because that's one of the reasons why, man, 01:52:44.380 --> 01:52:49.760 because all this other shit is excuse my language, but retarded. 01:52:50.500 --> 01:52:54.960 It's it's if you really get consumed 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:58.780 and you allow it to consume you more, you're playing into that divide and conquer. 01:52:59.300 --> 01:53:00.020 You know what I mean? 01:53:01.500 --> 01:53:05.480 Because the few times that I do read some articles 01:53:05.480 --> 01:53:09.800 or or go down in X and watch someone make an inflammatory post, 01:53:10.020 --> 01:53:11.840 then I'm not going to lie to you. 01:53:11.980 --> 01:53:13.000 I feel like right in the common. 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:15.260 Well, fuck you, I'm like, damn it. 01:53:15.660 --> 01:53:17.060 I'm letting it get to me. 01:53:17.440 --> 01:53:22.180 So I have to like I have I have to constantly remind myself. 01:53:23.700 --> 01:53:27.180 Enough, man, this isn't good for your or your mind. 01:53:27.780 --> 01:53:31.720 This isn't good for whatever we have inside of our soul or whatever, 01:53:31.860 --> 01:53:32.660 you know, our well-being. 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.180 So that's just it, man. 01:53:35.780 --> 01:53:38.380 I want to talk about it like we talked about it today. 01:53:38.580 --> 01:53:40.460 I thought it was a killer show. 01:53:40.460 --> 01:53:43.780 I thought I actually came in and kick some serious boots. 01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:47.140 Hey, and then, John, I wasn't sure if you were going to make it 01:53:47.140 --> 01:53:50.700 because of of how the snow was going to treat your kill shed. 01:53:50.860 --> 01:53:52.980 But it's it looks like it held up. 01:53:53.500 --> 01:53:55.720 You came in and kicked ass as well. 01:53:56.500 --> 01:53:57.740 And this is how to do it, man. 01:53:58.180 --> 01:54:01.720 You you got to stay on top of things, I guess. 01:54:01.940 --> 01:54:04.160 But don't get caught up in it. 01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:05.860 Yeah, if that makes any sense. 01:54:06.620 --> 01:54:10.460 Yeah, you're you're you know, your life and the people around you 01:54:11.020 --> 01:54:15.180 and your relationship with God, like all these things like they matter. 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:17.800 Like, you know, like it's yeah, I understand 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.400 research and gives you dopamine hits and I get all that and everything. 01:54:21.580 --> 01:54:23.020 But in the end of the day, like. 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:28.020 I guess as we've been been researching for so long, 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:31.600 it should not be the thing that gets you up. 01:54:32.480 --> 01:54:34.760 In the morning, you know, 01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:37.700 because if you sit here and just there's other things that get me up 01:54:37.700 --> 01:54:41.100 in the morning, ways, you know, no, no, no, but anyway, but anyway, 01:54:41.200 --> 01:54:44.120 I'm just saying, like, you know, there, you know, there's it's not. 01:54:44.680 --> 01:54:47.700 I mean, you and I call each other up and talk about it sometimes, right? 01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:51.460 But it's just like I used to get so mad, you know, like you're 01:54:51.460 --> 01:54:55.180 discussing, like reading X and just go get so like I was I forgot 01:54:55.180 --> 01:54:56.380 who I was going to respond. 01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:58.340 There's someone I saw next to day and I thought I was going to 01:54:58.340 --> 01:55:01.780 like respond to somebody and stuff like that, you know. 01:55:01.780 --> 01:55:04.180 But then I realized, what's the point? 01:55:04.980 --> 01:55:08.060 Why? It's not going to change anybody's mind or opinion. 01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:11.240 You know, what am I doing with my life? 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:13.800 You know, it's not even that important anyway. 01:55:14.340 --> 01:55:18.060 You know, for me to say, you know, hey, you know, while you were 01:55:18.060 --> 01:55:21.020 you know, telling everybody to go get the jab because you're 01:55:21.020 --> 01:55:24.420 a leftist parapolitics researcher and I told you that 01:55:24.420 --> 01:55:26.840 Biden was working directly with Palantir through Operation 01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:28.440 War Speed, Operation Tiberius Kurt. 01:55:28.780 --> 01:55:30.840 Look where we're at now, you know, because the person's 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:31.820 like, what was Biden doing? 01:55:31.980 --> 01:55:32.760 They must have been involved. 01:55:32.940 --> 01:55:35.800 It's like, yeah, of course, Biden administration was driving 01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:38.240 the ball down the court for Trump to lay it off. 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:43.260 That's where we're at, you know, and by me yelling at him 01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:45.120 for that word is, what does that get me? 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:46.480 This gives me mad. 01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:48.940 It just raises my time, you know. 01:55:49.580 --> 01:55:51.100 So I understand that man. 01:55:51.240 --> 01:55:52.940 I mean, you know, you and I might look different on 01:55:52.940 --> 01:55:54.900 religion, but more and more I'm thinking I'm just going 01:55:54.900 --> 01:55:56.600 to read the Bible on my streams and do less 01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:58.540 parapolitical talk because what's the point? 01:55:58.800 --> 01:55:59.960 What's the point of it? 01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:02.100 You know, like, where is it? 01:56:02.940 --> 01:56:03.740 I don't know. 01:56:03.980 --> 01:56:05.320 Maybe maybe you and I are just getting cynical 01:56:05.320 --> 01:56:06.540 in our old ages, Weezy. 01:56:07.060 --> 01:56:08.760 Dude, I'm reading the Bible, too. 01:56:09.140 --> 01:56:10.240 Probably for a different reason. 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:11.620 Yes, different reasons. 01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:20.020 Yes, but I mean, you know, to be serious, like I do 01:56:20.020 --> 01:56:27.300 these things like to keep my sanity, man, because we 01:56:27.300 --> 01:56:31.460 are being scyopt with all this shit, man, the Epstein files. 01:56:31.620 --> 01:56:32.240 We're going to get them. 01:56:32.380 --> 01:56:33.260 We're not going to get them. 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:34.160 They're real. 01:56:34.320 --> 01:56:34.980 They're not real. 01:56:35.140 --> 01:56:36.220 It's a democratic hoax. 01:56:36.360 --> 01:56:36.860 No, no, no. 01:56:37.220 --> 01:56:38.560 Trump is balls deep in it. 01:56:38.920 --> 01:56:40.460 Was Epstein a real person? 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:41.960 Was he killed? 01:56:42.360 --> 01:56:43.780 Is he in the Bahamas still? 01:56:44.200 --> 01:56:47.880 Is the lane under like we're being sawed continually? 01:56:48.500 --> 01:56:51.460 Whether we know it or not, these are all bullshit 01:56:51.460 --> 01:56:53.920 things, even these latest ice shootings. 01:56:54.820 --> 01:56:56.660 This is going to sound sacrilegious. 01:56:57.520 --> 01:57:02.580 I'm not 100 percent sure some of these were even real. 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:06.200 They could have been for all we fucking know. 01:57:06.540 --> 01:57:09.360 And yet you got people ready to do riots 01:57:09.360 --> 01:57:12.240 and and kill each other over this shit. 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:16.920 They're priming us up for a civil war is what it seems like. 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:19.720 It seems quite apparent to me. 01:57:21.080 --> 01:57:23.160 And I'm not going to bite to it. 01:57:23.460 --> 01:57:23.660 Yeah. 01:57:24.220 --> 01:57:28.140 I'm going to increase my knowledge capacity 01:57:28.140 --> 01:57:29.280 because I am a dumb ass. 01:57:29.340 --> 01:57:29.840 I'm a retard. 01:57:30.120 --> 01:57:32.020 I I want to clear the air. 01:57:32.220 --> 01:57:35.620 Some people think that I think I'm some kind of wheezy 01:57:35.620 --> 01:57:37.660 stradamus or the ghetto Socrates. 01:57:38.220 --> 01:57:39.720 No, I'm a fucking retard. 01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:41.220 Let's just get it out there. 01:57:41.900 --> 01:57:46.460 But I'm trying to I'm trying to expand my knowledge 01:57:46.460 --> 01:57:49.220 level to a certain degree, you know, 01:57:49.620 --> 01:57:53.160 I'm definitely no Einstein by any stretch of the imagination. 01:57:53.160 --> 01:57:57.120 So that's what I'm trying to do, man. 01:57:57.240 --> 01:57:59.640 And I encourage if you are getting overwhelmed 01:58:00.440 --> 01:58:01.900 with the current new cycle, 01:58:03.200 --> 01:58:04.980 a lot of the shit is stressing you out. 01:58:05.280 --> 01:58:05.980 Just take a break. 01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:07.280 Just walk away. 01:58:07.900 --> 01:58:09.960 This only exists on the Internet to that degree. 01:58:10.140 --> 01:58:11.100 Like, I know it's real life. 01:58:11.380 --> 01:58:12.480 I know that we live through it. 01:58:13.020 --> 01:58:16.740 But the amount that people invest in it, it's just the Internet. 01:58:17.240 --> 01:58:18.200 Go be with your family. 01:58:18.700 --> 01:58:22.180 Go touch grass, you know, like I have to tell myself that. 01:58:22.180 --> 01:58:24.500 I don't like think I'm just lecturing you guys on this. 01:58:24.580 --> 01:58:26.180 We're all susceptible to it. 01:58:27.940 --> 01:58:29.740 Yeah, that's exactly it, man. 01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:36.420 And that's one of the reasons why I do shows 01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:39.120 that have nothing to do with current events. 01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:43.100 I want to expose you guys to stuff that's helped me, you know, 01:58:43.540 --> 01:58:46.480 not because I'm a saint, it's because I'm extremely flawed. 01:58:46.660 --> 01:58:50.500 I got tons of damn issues, but I'm trying to do something about it. 01:58:50.500 --> 01:58:53.900 And if I find it helps me out, I want to share it with y'all. 01:58:54.340 --> 01:58:54.880 You know what I'm saying? 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:57.380 And this is what I meant. 01:58:58.120 --> 01:59:01.420 I can't remember when I said it, but I go when I started the show. 01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:04.960 Yeah, what's what primed me up was this. 01:59:05.040 --> 01:59:06.080 No one was talking about Trump. 01:59:06.220 --> 01:59:06.900 That was one thing. 01:59:07.260 --> 01:59:11.240 But the biggest driver was forming a community of. 01:59:13.020 --> 01:59:14.320 Like minded individuals. 01:59:14.540 --> 01:59:17.720 And when I say like minded individuals, I'm not talking about you. 01:59:18.240 --> 01:59:21.540 People agreeing with every single thing I say, hell, no. 01:59:22.080 --> 01:59:26.980 What I mean by like minded individuals is that we can have conversations, 01:59:27.080 --> 01:59:33.360 even when we don't agree with John and I had a very tough discussion on faith. 01:59:34.140 --> 01:59:35.720 It got heated. 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:40.180 And fast forward from that first interaction that John and I had, 01:59:40.220 --> 01:59:42.320 that was the first time John and I had met ever. 01:59:42.900 --> 01:59:45.460 After that conversation, then it was tough as heck. 01:59:45.460 --> 01:59:47.840 We came, I came at him pretty hard. 01:59:47.980 --> 01:59:54.360 He came at me pretty hard ever since that we've even got closer as friends. 01:59:54.820 --> 01:59:56.560 And this is how it should be. 01:59:57.180 --> 01:59:59.560 You I can't stress that enough, man. 02:00:01.980 --> 02:00:05.680 I've tried to get along with as much people as you can, man. 02:00:06.580 --> 02:00:11.960 Not where part of the sign up is to divide us and view each other as enemies. 02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:15.580 And if we have one, it could be a big difference. 02:00:15.620 --> 02:00:18.120 But if we have one difference, we're supposed to scrap them out 02:00:18.120 --> 02:00:20.520 and never talk to them or agree with them ever again. 02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:27.200 And what I visualize with my community that I'm trying to build here is, 02:00:27.380 --> 02:00:30.740 no, let's have these discussions as tough as they may be. 02:00:30.940 --> 02:00:31.520 Let's have it. 02:00:31.980 --> 02:00:34.580 You know, this is why I open up the stream yard regularly. 02:00:35.080 --> 02:00:36.000 I want to hear from people. 02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:37.880 I want to hear different points of view. 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:41.580 And and it also serves to distract us 02:00:41.580 --> 02:00:45.560 from the constant psyops that we're getting fed on a daily basis. 02:00:48.060 --> 02:00:50.140 Go ahead, Ashley, you've been. 02:00:52.200 --> 02:00:54.800 Well, you're in your flow, you know? 02:00:55.980 --> 02:00:57.580 Yeah, I agree with that. 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:00.260 This is something that we talked about on the nights earlier today, 02:01:00.260 --> 02:01:04.340 which is, you know, the grass grows where you water it. 02:01:04.340 --> 02:01:10.420 So while we may not be able to address on our own these giant systemic problems, 02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:14.020 what we can do is exactly what Weezy and John are talking about, 02:01:14.060 --> 02:01:17.760 which is cultivate relationships with people in real life 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:21.100 and appreciate what we have in real life 02:01:21.700 --> 02:01:25.600 and realize that we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:27.740 when we do have a disagreement with somebody. 02:01:28.100 --> 02:01:30.920 I was very angry during COVID times 02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:36.680 and especially at the people who were militant about distancing and jabs and all this stuff. 02:01:37.020 --> 02:01:40.880 And it's not that I don't care about that, 02:01:41.080 --> 02:01:45.980 but I I have let a lot of the anger surrounding that go 02:01:45.980 --> 02:01:49.660 because I have sympathy for people that have been manipulated 02:01:49.660 --> 02:01:54.940 in a thousand different ways to come to the conclusions that they are coming to. 02:01:55.460 --> 02:02:00.960 And I have no desire to argue with someone over their political beliefs. 02:02:01.080 --> 02:02:05.320 If you want to have a discussion with me, a respectful discussion, 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:06.680 I'm here for it. 02:02:06.860 --> 02:02:09.740 If you want to agree to disagree, I'm here for it. 02:02:09.900 --> 02:02:14.520 As long as we have respect, then I'm more interested in cultivating 02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:17.960 in real life relationships with people that 02:02:18.900 --> 02:02:21.240 you can foster a human connection with. 02:02:21.440 --> 02:02:22.440 I think that's important. 02:02:22.440 --> 02:02:24.780 And I think that is one of the big things, 02:02:25.840 --> 02:02:29.240 you know, for survivals of humans, we need community 02:02:29.240 --> 02:02:32.260 and they have desperately tried to separate us from that. 02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:35.340 So that's where we can make a difference in our own lives, 02:02:35.400 --> 02:02:38.120 is start reaching out to people again. 02:02:41.460 --> 02:02:45.920 100 percent final words, guys, this was a lot of fun. 02:02:46.540 --> 02:02:48.520 I really enjoyed everything. 02:02:49.220 --> 02:02:53.180 Again, you keep the latter ass, actually, and I want to. 02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:58.380 I want to tell you you already know we chat off the air 02:02:59.800 --> 02:03:02.220 and anytime you want to bring up any subject 02:03:02.220 --> 02:03:05.320 and you want to do a whole show, my door is open. 02:03:05.660 --> 02:03:06.300 You you're awesome. 02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:08.500 And I want to thank John, too. 02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:11.820 Last second, I go, hey, John, I don't know. 02:03:12.200 --> 02:03:13.280 In the middle of a blizzard. 02:03:14.360 --> 02:03:17.320 You're in the middle of a blizzard right now in the kill shed, 02:03:17.320 --> 02:03:19.080 braving the elements. 02:03:20.940 --> 02:03:24.780 I'm surprised you're not in in in a speedo, to be honest. 02:03:25.160 --> 02:03:26.940 No, I'm too old and too cold for that. 02:03:28.360 --> 02:03:29.420 That is happening. 02:03:29.960 --> 02:03:32.240 Last second, bro, I reached out to you 02:03:32.240 --> 02:03:36.140 and you graciously accepted and you came in and kicked ass as well. 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:41.020 But I want to give you guys the last words before we call it. 02:03:41.580 --> 02:03:44.980 Ashley, real quick, have you ever read the witch hunt narrative by Rossi Chet? 02:03:46.220 --> 02:03:47.020 I haven't. 02:03:47.180 --> 02:03:50.820 And actually, John, I was hoping that I could connect with you off the air 02:03:50.820 --> 02:03:53.080 because there's a couple of things about this that I wanted to ask you. 02:03:53.160 --> 02:03:53.840 What is that book again? 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.940 The Witch Hunt narrative by Rossi Chet, C-H-E-I-T. 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:00.820 Yeah, of course, we read the documents at proteinmail.com. 02:04:00.900 --> 02:04:02.120 Ashley emailed me a time. 02:04:03.020 --> 02:04:08.640 But yeah, I I I would definitely recommend reading that book next. 02:04:11.380 --> 02:04:14.260 It's it's very scholarly, very good read. 02:04:14.980 --> 02:04:18.600 I don't think that Rossi Chet goes as far as he should on certain things, 02:04:18.680 --> 02:04:25.560 but he he did a good job exposing the false witch hunt narrative 02:04:26.120 --> 02:04:27.860 that was put forth at the bare minimum. 02:04:28.320 --> 02:04:31.800 Like he doesn't discuss the satanic ritual abuse aspect of all those cases, 02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:37.840 but he does discuss a lot of the pedophilia that did take place 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:40.260 that dismisses people just saying it's satanic panic. 02:04:40.260 --> 02:04:43.600 So it's very much court records and interviews and stuff like that and everything. 02:04:44.100 --> 02:04:45.920 So that's exactly what I'm looking for. 02:04:46.080 --> 02:04:47.260 Thank you. I would definitely get that. 02:04:47.340 --> 02:04:48.700 It's more of a scholarly work. 02:04:49.400 --> 02:04:50.500 I forgot exactly. 02:04:50.620 --> 02:04:53.140 I think it was Brown University, I think Rossi Chet was. 02:04:53.320 --> 02:04:55.360 But yes, so I would definitely pick it up, 02:04:55.380 --> 02:04:58.860 especially one of the best exposés on McMartin preschool that ever existed 02:04:59.420 --> 02:05:03.340 as far as like the as far as the 02:05:05.420 --> 02:05:07.600 like court documents and stuff and everything. 02:05:07.980 --> 02:05:10.140 It's very good work that he did. 02:05:10.580 --> 02:05:12.000 I've talked with Rossi Chet. 02:05:12.540 --> 02:05:14.880 I should have interviewed him when I had the chance, but I never did. 02:05:14.980 --> 02:05:17.280 But anyway, this one to make sure that you knew that 02:05:17.280 --> 02:05:19.740 so you can would be good for you to read. 02:05:20.240 --> 02:05:20.920 Yeah, thank you. 02:05:21.380 --> 02:05:25.580 Other than what I have left to say, I guess we already really said it. 02:05:25.860 --> 02:05:27.360 I ain't nothing really left to say, Weezy. 02:05:28.100 --> 02:05:29.700 You know, I'm glad to be on here with Ashley. 02:05:29.880 --> 02:05:30.500 Glad to be here with you. 02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:31.500 Thank you for having me on, brother. 02:05:32.620 --> 02:05:34.780 And just so people were to find you, John, and I'm going to add you 02:05:34.780 --> 02:05:37.800 to the description and yeah, we've read the documents on YouTube. 02:05:38.140 --> 02:05:41.340 Just search easy to find me as long as my channel still up. 02:05:42.380 --> 02:05:43.420 Substack as well. 02:05:43.540 --> 02:05:44.380 Yeah, substack. 02:05:44.580 --> 02:05:46.460 I am finishing my finders book. 02:05:46.620 --> 02:05:48.360 It will be out this year, Lord willing. 02:05:48.420 --> 02:05:51.240 So I got about 350, almost 400 pages written. 02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:53.140 I'm going to do my best to finish it. 02:05:53.160 --> 02:05:54.460 The great resets crushing me. 02:05:54.500 --> 02:05:56.620 So I've had to doordash more than I'd like 02:05:57.180 --> 02:06:00.000 instead of finishing the book that I've been writing for five years. 02:06:00.180 --> 02:06:02.500 But hey, you know, I finished two books on health. 02:06:02.920 --> 02:06:05.980 You know, I've written over 200 plus articles on fixure at gut.com. 02:06:06.400 --> 02:06:08.100 You know, I've written some articles for 02:06:09.400 --> 02:06:10.300 you know, the substack. 02:06:10.400 --> 02:06:13.740 So I think I've done better than maybe George R. R. Martin, you know, 02:06:13.800 --> 02:06:16.460 wins a winner being like, I don't know, like how many years in the making? 02:06:16.620 --> 02:06:18.240 We like 15 like 20. 02:06:18.540 --> 02:06:20.020 It's getting to 20. 02:06:20.280 --> 02:06:22.480 It's very, it's very depressing for us. 02:06:22.640 --> 02:06:24.080 A song of ice and fire fans. 02:06:24.360 --> 02:06:25.460 So John, thanks a lot. 02:06:25.600 --> 02:06:29.560 Well, I hate to say it, but George R. R. Martin is an ITP like Weezy and I. 02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:31.180 So we love starting stuff. 02:06:31.300 --> 02:06:32.060 We hate finishing stuff. 02:06:32.160 --> 02:06:33.460 It is what it is, you know. 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:35.500 So I got to hope I finished my fire's book eventually. 02:06:35.820 --> 02:06:36.940 But I'm glad to be here, you guys. 02:06:39.740 --> 02:06:40.400 Hell, yeah. 02:06:41.020 --> 02:06:42.000 Another fire show. 02:06:42.340 --> 02:06:43.420 Hope you guys enjoyed that. 02:06:43.780 --> 02:06:45.820 And then for anyone that wants to. 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:51.060 Listen to a UFC commentary, we will be it's seven o'clock right now. 02:06:51.260 --> 02:06:54.680 So in two hours at nine o'clock Eastern, we will be live on rumble. 02:06:55.040 --> 02:06:58.140 You are listening to this on podcast player and you don't see the show UFC 02:06:58.140 --> 02:06:59.440 on podcast player. 02:06:59.740 --> 02:07:00.660 Go to my rumble. 02:07:00.740 --> 02:07:02.520 Follow me there and you can watch shows. 02:07:02.940 --> 02:07:06.040 I'm too lazy to upload them to the podcast players. 02:07:06.040 --> 02:07:11.700 So if you guys want to catch that, we talk about the fights, but we also talk 02:07:11.700 --> 02:07:13.640 about current events in between the rounds. 02:07:13.840 --> 02:07:14.460 We have a good time. 02:07:14.600 --> 02:07:15.680 We do get rowdy though. 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:22.120 If I'm just at that cusp of you tolerating me because I'm kind of wild. 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:25.640 You may not want to catch the UFC commentary. 02:07:25.900 --> 02:07:27.260 We go off the damn rails there. 02:07:27.960 --> 02:07:33.180 Just a fair warning because some people are already upset with my gratuitous 02:07:33.180 --> 02:07:35.100 F word usage. 02:07:36.380 --> 02:07:37.680 I get one dude. 02:07:37.980 --> 02:07:40.880 I'm ready to call him out by name every damn week. 02:07:41.080 --> 02:07:44.440 He's like, it's like he keeps a swearing counter. 02:07:45.020 --> 02:07:46.160 He listens to the show. 02:07:46.340 --> 02:07:49.400 He's like, oh, wow, you only said like five F bombs today. 02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:50.140 Good job. 02:07:50.620 --> 02:07:51.280 Oh my gosh. 02:07:51.440 --> 02:07:52.880 Like he's got an F. 02:07:53.820 --> 02:07:54.840 Am I dude? 02:07:57.200 --> 02:08:01.420 I'll just drop it and over that, but it's so ridiculous. 02:08:01.420 --> 02:08:04.960 Anyways, I want to thank people that enjoy the show that are positive. 02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:09.000 As the show grows, I noticed too, this is a sign of growth. 02:08:09.460 --> 02:08:12.560 I have a legion of dedicated haters. 02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.400 Like before we start shows, we get thumbs down. 02:08:18.180 --> 02:08:21.600 And I do want to say I am one of those dedicated haters. 02:08:22.260 --> 02:08:23.620 Okay. Okay. Copy that. 02:08:23.780 --> 02:08:24.160 There you go. 02:08:24.240 --> 02:08:24.900 That's even better. 02:08:25.580 --> 02:08:29.820 But um, yeah, it's a, it's been, it's been awesome. 02:08:29.820 --> 02:08:34.380 The last couple of weeks we've had new listeners and, um, like I said, 02:08:34.420 --> 02:08:36.220 we're on a mission to have a great year. 02:08:36.320 --> 02:08:42.440 Even if we don't touch on current events or per se, I mean, 02:08:42.480 --> 02:08:44.820 we're going to cover a bunch of different stuff and it should, 02:08:45.060 --> 02:08:49.440 I've got some great, great, uh, guest ideas lined up in my head. 02:08:49.520 --> 02:08:52.300 And I just hope they go through, but it's going to be a fire, 02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:55.200 fire year, but uh, follow my boy John Brissum. 02:08:55.260 --> 02:08:56.740 He's a young Christian warrior. 02:08:56.740 --> 02:09:02.520 If you guys are, are middle-aged, middle-aged, middle-aged, 02:09:02.720 --> 02:09:03.920 so not younger than me. 02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:04.780 You're younger than me. 02:09:05.140 --> 02:09:06.420 You're, you're not that much. 02:09:06.700 --> 02:09:08.340 You're, you're, you're grandpa Weezy. 02:09:08.560 --> 02:09:09.300 I'm, you know, I'm only. 02:09:11.380 --> 02:09:15.360 You're a spring chicken, Johnny B, Johnny B easy. 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:17.260 And, uh, thank you, Ashley. 02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:20.040 Uh, I have Ashley's email. 02:09:20.220 --> 02:09:23.040 If you want to, uh, get a, get in touch with her. 02:09:23.200 --> 02:09:26.100 If you got any questions as well as her ex, 02:09:26.100 --> 02:09:26.840 as well. 02:09:27.240 --> 02:09:28.580 So thanks everyone. 02:09:28.980 --> 02:09:31.440 Much love hugs and kisses.