Really, there's gonna be a new world order out there.
I've said on several occasions that I wouldn't comment about.
Rawls of y'all, welcome to the What Is Truth podcast.
I am your host, Weezy.
I'm joined by my friend, Ms. Ashley from Think, Change, Repeat.
That's her email address, by the way.
What's up, Ashley?
Hello, how's it going?
Doing good.
I'm just running like a chicken with his head cut off.
But here we are.
We're here.
Staying warm.
It's a cold front if you are on the east coast.
Apparently, we may even receive snow, perhaps tonight or tomorrow,
supposedly, to see what happens.
How are you holding up?
We have been, I think everybody probably knows.
But last weekend, you know, we had a little bit of a weather
event that was unusual for Central North Carolina, ended up
being a bunch of sleet.
And then today, it started snowing and it hasn't stopped yet.
So I'm just hunkered down trying to, you know, ride it out.
And I've been busy today.
I had my podcast earlier.
I'm on with you.
I was trying to do some notes and all that good stuff
earlier today.
So, you know, we're just running it out.
Hell, yeah.
Yeah, so before we get started, I
want to give a little caveat or parental advisory.
This will be explicit content, but not
in the normal wheezy explicit.
But rather, I mean, it could be a dark subject.
We will be hitting on ritual abuse, which is not a topic
that I normally hit.
There's a couple of reasons why.
For one, any time children or innocent people are hurt,
I don't want to know about it.
I know it happens, but I want to shelter myself from it.
It angers me.
It pisses me off.
It saddens me.
And so that's one of the reasons why
I don't talk about it too much.
So it's not for any other reason.
That's the biggest reason.
And then, so having said that, I
don't know too much about the subject.
But that's why I brought my friend,
my lovely friend, Ashley, to give us some insights into it.
You've been reading a book, right?
And what's the name of the book?
And what is I mean, this is something
that you've covered quite in death, right?
So it's something that I have been ever
since it was put on my radar about some of the connections.
Of course, the Epstein story, which we've talked about,
we're going to try to get into that today as well.
But it has been on my radar.
And then I have a good friend who
we talk about this stuff a lot.
So there's a lot of other connections.
Of course, there is an introduction
to that in PTK by Dave McGowan as well
that gives some good introductory information
on this subject.
So I definitely do not consider myself to be an expert.
And I want everybody to know that I'm not claiming to be.
I just want to bring up some things that I have found
and start making some connections
and give a little more information
that doesn't get talked about a lot.
Because a lot of people do talk about this subject,
but I don't hear a lot of people talk
about this specific book, which covers some things really
from a therapist type perspective
or a society type perspective, in addition
to covering on not a lot of specifics,
but just the abuse that has happened.
So the book that we're talking about today
is Ritual Abuse in the 21st Century.
And that is by Randy Knoblett and his wife Pamela Knoblett.
And so they have done other work on this subject.
They have several other books.
Some are more difficult to find than others.
This one is available on Amazon and probably,
not one of the ones that has been heavily censored
with like a $600 price tag.
So it is accessible,
but I must say that it has really been a grind for me to read.
I'm glad for the valuable information,
but this has not been one
that I was just able to get through in a couple of days.
It's really been, it has taken a lot for me
to keep grinding and to get through this book.
So yep, that's it.
Weezy has it pulled up.
Yeah, and it's got several ratings on it.
And one of the things that stands out immediately
is how people really love the studies,
the scientific approach taken to the subject.
And the reason I say that is because when you talk
ritual abuse in the mainstream, for example,
it usually gets, you get weird looks like,
oh, that's, that doesn't happen.
That's fantastical.
And if you've been following me for a while,
we already, we're already skeptical of the mainstream.
We already know the mainstream likes to smear certain things,
smear our ways of looking at the world
in what we perceive as reality.
And ritual abuse is one of these subjects that gets mocked.
And I'm of the mindset.
I'm not saying I believe every aspect
to these conspiracy theories on ritual abuse.
I do think some of them could be indeed manufactured
to make as loony and as fantastical as possible,
precisely for that effect to make people
kind of not want to get into it and like, oh, that's that's garbage.
That's been debunked by Snopes.com.
I'm not going to pay attention to that.
And I think that's by design.
However, when you really look down in some of these cases
and maybe we'll touch on some of these
after you do your presentation, actually.
But when you really dig down,
there's some aspects to some of these things
that are like, wait a minute, OK, I can see how that's fantastical.
But how in the hell do you explain this part?
You know what I'm saying?
So the fact that this book has scientific research
and certain analysis, you know, that people can point out to
and prove that this isn't in our heads.
This isn't fantastical thinking.
I think is is awesome.
But like you said, you said you kind of struggled to get through it
because of how technical it was, right?
Yes. And it was just dry reading from from the perspective of like
if you struggle with your attention and in your mind wondering
when you're trying to read a nonfiction book, the way that I do,
it is a struggle for me sometimes.
So I definitely that this was not easy reading
because there was a lot of technical information
and just from more of an academic perspective.
And I think that's good.
And I think it was good for me.
But personally, I just struggled with it.
And I'm sure that, you know, a lot of people out there,
if you made up your mind to read it,
you probably wouldn't have the same hard time that I did.
Getting through it. Yeah.
No, I want to welcome other other new listeners as well.
We had a banger of a show last week with Dana Duda.
Freaking awesome. She came in and kicked ass.
Got thousands of downloads over the last week.
Pretty much everywhere the show, you know,
if you listen to it on rumble on Spotify, everywhere,
people really, really enjoyed that.
So to all you new listeners,
thank you and welcome.
And I hope I have a feeling this one's going to be a banger as well, Ashley.
And if you really like this show, I encourage you to go back
and listen to several shows that we've done together.
We did a killer Vietnam show.
And as well as you, you've called in at other times
when we've opened up the stream yard as well.
So make sure you check those episodes out if you enjoy today's show.
Definitely our Vietnam show. That was really, really good.
We had a lot of great information.
And one of the links that I had sent,
Weezy was from Alternative Views TV.
So there is a decent archive on YouTube of Alternative Views.
But if you go to archive.org
and you're looking for Alternative Views episodes,
there are many more there.
And one of the topics that they talk about is, quote, boys for sale
and dealing with the issue of literally people.
You know, I don't know.
I know that Weezy already gave the warning to everybody
that this is a very disturbing subject.
So I just want to reiterate that.
And when I talk about the stuff, I'm not trying to be callous.
I just am going to tell you how it's presented.
So boys for sale, which is them selling out and pimping out children
and specifically in the Houston area
and kind of how some of these networks were run.
And part of that, they would use certain magazines.
So sometimes they would be an adult magazine, but they do.
If you remember from a certain from the Pizza Gate scandal,
one of the things that came out of that was that certain symbols
had been identified by the FBI
that were used as a telltale to other pedophiles
or other people who were interested in harming children.
This would be an indicator.
So one of those was like the blue spiral.
It was the same spiral that was found in the in the pizza logo.
And I'm not, you know, one of the other things
that I want to reiterate, like what Weezy was saying,
some of this stuff has deliberately been
made to sound crazy.
And I do think that there this is where we have to use
our own personal discernment and pattern recognition
and read as much legitimate literature
surrounding that as we can and to try to come up
with our own conclusions and to know like that this is probably
some sort of a false narrative that's been fed to us
or this is a legitimate problem.
And I think that today we can make the case
that this is a legitimate problem.
And these are documented instances in the United States
and abroad that are very well written about.
So I just want to reiterate that.
And one of the things from ritual abuse in the 21st century
that is talked about is that there is a difference
between what would be abuse, ritual abuse
and even their nuances and categories within ritual abuse
or what is referred to as satanic ritual abuse.
So the original phrasing of that came from a survivor's memoir
where she was talking about satanic ritual abuse,
but everything it everything does not fall into that category.
So I want to just put it out there
not because I'm going to be speaking like it is,
but these are things that I learned.
So I just want to pass this along to other people
that when we're thinking about the abuses that we see
versus ritual abuse versus satanic ritual abuse,
there are even different categorizations within the spectrum.
So that's why this book has been really helpful
in kind of laying that out.
So I want to just give a brief blip
to kick us off, Weezy, if that's OK.
Absolutely. OK.
It's your show.
Yeah, like I said, at the very beginning,
you know, especially for this first part,
I'm going to just sit back and let you do your thing
because I'm when I'm knowledgeable on a subject,
I'll riff off, but this is one of those subjects.
I'm not very, very knowledgeable.
So maybe I might pop in to ask you
for some clarification on certain things, but this is you.
OK, perfect. Yeah.
And normally everybody knows like Weezy loves to do hours
and hours and hours of homework to get ready for a subject.
But we are a little bit short on, you know,
getting this all worked out today.
So he did not have his chance
to listen to like 37 audiobooks this week.
OK, so like we were talking about the author of this is Randy Noblett,
and he is a professor of clinical psychology.
Currently, he does have his PhD and he also served
as an Air Force clinical psychologist at Lake and Heath Air Force Base
in England and Shepherd Air Force Base Regional Hospital in Texas.
So this is somebody who is part of the medical establishment,
who has had a traditional training, who is not just looking at this
from, you know, like us as a lay person's perspective on the issues
and then trying to make sense of that based on what we've seen in the news
or what we haven't seen in the news.
OK, so the title again,
Ritual Abuse in the 21st Century, Psychological, Forensic,
Social and Political Implications, and this was published in 2008.
And I do want to give the caveat that he has another book that is pretty popular
and there are several versions of that, which my understanding is pretty different.
And I'm not 100 percent sure if there are several versions of this particular book.
So I just wanted to put that out there in the interest of
full transparency for anybody who's maybe interested in pursuing this.
So in this book, we have a couple of different topics
that is covered, and I'm not going to try to go through every single chapter
or read every single thing to you guys.
But I wanted to say that part of it starts out with kind of establishing
like what we were talking about, what is ritual abuse?
So I'm going to get to that.
But it also has a survey that that the noblets and other professionals
tried to create and to get out to people who said that they were
survivors of this type of abuse.
And they tried to do this in a way as scientifically as possible.
In this book, they acknowledge that, yes, we know when you are having
people fill out a survey on their own, there are some limitations in that.
So you're having people that the survey was presented to,
they said, yes, we are.
And then they had to agree to do it.
So when we're looking at hard and fast information,
you know, I think that the survey is valuable.
But I also I just want to say that we can acknowledge that there are
limitations when we're trying to get information in this way.
Another important thing that they address at the beginning of this book
is that because this issue is so,
you know, you can put it all under the category in the umbrella of abuse.
But there's really a lot of nuance here.
And one of the ways that they, you know,
because survivors are so often not believed or they get a hard time
whenever they're trying to tell their story, they wanted to have a way
to approach the subject to make it as scientifically sound as they could
and to help victims be heard.
So one of that is the same way that we're dealing with
in the regular medical field, for example, we, you know,
if you take an anatomy and physiology class, then one of the things
that we're talking about at the very beginning is the layout of the human body.
So we all use the same language to refer to what is your right side
and what is your left side and how that is referred to on every single person
in every single body.
So that is standardizing the language.
And that was part of the goal that they had with this survey as well.
And it's just in the way that we would refer to something this
proximal or distal, everything within that field is referred
to in the same way.
So we have that consistency.
So that was the goal of the survey that they did and just in order
to try to get some of that same language down and hopefully
facilitating descriptions and belief for the people who had experienced this.
The other thing that they talk about is
there was just some organizations that had tried to form and be victims,
advocates. There was somebody who was a police officer.
And this was happening over in the UK, who was trying to essentially
come up with like a best practices to be able to identify and understand these
situations and how what is the role of the authority in this situation?
What is the role of the media in this situation and how influential
they can be whenever you have accusations of abuse for,
especially in this case, for children.
So we'll we'll get to that.
And then there's just a little more information as far as
what is the best way for a therapist to approach this?
What is the most healing thing?
And how could you really facilitate the most
healing for the people that have experienced this?
What does that look like?
And so we'll get into that a little bit as well.
Before we move on, I want to talk about some of the major issues
that will be associated with significant traumatic ritual or sadistic abuse.
And a lot of you are probably pretty familiar with that.
And this is when we start getting into some.
So MK Ultra, I know we all know about that, but that was an umbrella program.
So there was many different, like 120 different subsets to that project
that tests were being done on human.
They were not all the like the ritual abuse and causing dissociative.
Yes, Greg has it exactly.
So it was not all dissociative identity, creating or ritual abuse within that.
But this is a huge overlap to that.
So one of the big things is repressed memories, missing time,
dissociative identity disorder, dissociations or also multiple personalities.
The other thing that I want to clarify here is that in, I think, coming up,
we heard about multiple personalities almost in the form of a joke.
And I know for me personally, I thought that that was associated with schizophrenia.
And as I have begun reading into this, there is
there's a lot of clarity that I now have on that.
So there is a difference.
And this is one of the things that they go into in this book as well,
that dissociative identity disorder is not the same thing as schizophrenia.
And there is sometimes an overlap, sometimes someone who has schizophrenia
can also have dissociative identity disorder, but they're not the same thing.
And what we have is whenever we see situations of DID,
that is a result of horrific trauma
that was likely perpetuated on a child.
And the reason for this is because children are especially vulnerable
to this type of abuse and the people who have figured this out
know that they can facilitate the fracturing of the psyche easier in children.
And it is usually done with extreme harm and abuse to them
because this is their escape and coping mechanism.
And so I just wanted to also put that differential out there
that schizophrenia and DID are not the same thing.
And now, at least in reading this book,
DID is well known to be a result of this type of horrific abuse.
So I just wanted to establish some of that
in case we can maybe bust some myths or let people know that there
there's differences here.
The other thing that I wanted to talk about is some
if you find this subject interesting, then some other channels
that do some really deep diving on this topic.
And you can find other references, the books that they read,
documentaries that they watched and number one on my list
is Interesting Books Reviewed.
So that is a YouTube channel.
And if you go to his channel, he has different playlist set up.
So he does have a ritual abuse section.
He has a mind control section.
And he also is interested in some of the paranormal, cattle mutilation,
walk and talks by military bases, all kinds of things.
So there's a lot on the channel, but he does have some neat playlist
that make it easy for you to find what you're looking for.
He talks quite a bit about Randy Noblett.
And that was how this book came into my purview.
The other channel is LOL Field and Love.
So that's like laughing, L-O-L, field, F-I-E-L-D and love.
So this is Patrick or the deliberate stranger.
He, as Weezy, has said for himself that he wanted to continue
the work of Dave McGowan.
This is Patrick as well.
He posts.
So basically his work is built upon PTK and he will post snippets,
new snippets, whether that's 48 hours or some other interview
or a documentary in regards to a lot of the cases
that Dave McGowan talked about and then some that are kind
of ancillary because they're related.
And he is also on Rumble and Twitter, and he has Patreon
and all that stuff.
So I wanted to shout those two guys out.
And Patrick actually did an interview recently
with Interesting Books Reviewed.
He also had Dana on that Weezy was just talking about recently.
And he is going on.
I think I saw him on an episode of William Ramsey as well.
So he's kind of getting out there, making the rounds,
but I wanted to put that out there.
The other specifically, the specific episode that I want
to talk about is Greg Carlwood, the Hire Side Chats.
He did a really good analysis of Virginia Jouffray's book,
and he brought up some really interesting points.
So I want to make sure I cover those.
The other channel is The Conspiracy Files.
They are on YouTube and Spotify and other places.
But all of these, all of these are good jumping off points
because you can be introduced to some of these subjects
and then you get other references and other pages for you
to continue to look into if this is something
that you happen to be interested in.
There's a book that's related to some child harm and films.
And that is called The Eye of the Chicken Hawk.
And then there's another, believe it or not,
this is a Discovery ID documentary series
or a podcast series that's really good.
And it's called The Clown and the Candyman.
And that is dealing with John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corral.
So we're going to touch on some of these high-level cases
that we have seen here in the United States,
but just to say that this is real.
And there are people out there that are trying
to bring legitimacy to what these survivors are saying.
But there have been many, many well-documented instances
from alternative media, but mainstream media as well.
And sometimes this stuff gets hidden, but it is there.
So I just want to make sure that people know that I'm speaking
in as best as I possibly can in facts and not speculation.
So I wanted to kick it off
because speaking of Dave McGowan,
he starts out his very famous book, Program to Kill.
And chapter number one is called The Pedophocracy.
And in this, he talks about Mark Dutrot.
And I'm not an expert on Mark Dutrot,
but there's a lot of information to be found about Mark Dutrot.
And let me read you just a little blip if you don't mind.
So Mark Dutrot convicted along with his wife in 1989
for the rape and violent abuse of five young girls,
the youngest of whom was just 11.
Now stands accused of being a key player
in an international child prostitution and pornography ring
whose practices included kidnapping, rape, sadistic torture and murder.
Dutrot was sentenced in 1989 to 13 years for his crimes,
but he was freed after having just served three.
And one of the reasons that it brought that up was not only
because McGowan has talked so much about this,
but that also reminds me of Jeffrey Epstein.
And I think, you know, like we said,
Weezy and I are going to tie that in on the second part of this.
But Dutrot was a very well known harmer of children.
And it happened in a couple of different times.
So you see here that he only served three years.
Originally, he had a couple of escape attempts,
like all of those things sounded to me very much
like what we saw with the original case of Jeffrey Epstein,
when he was supposed to be in jail.
And we know that he actually wasn't.
And we know that Acosta had said that he couldn't touch it
because he was intelligent.
So I think that this situation sounds very much like that.
And this was occurring in Belgium.
So these places, they are all over the world.
This is an international problem.
So the Dutrot affair was happening in Belgium and people began.
It also sounds very similar to here.
They began to get very upset.
So there was a point when a huge percent of the country
of Belgium was out protesting the courts
because of what was going on with Mark Dutrot
and the very obvious corruption surrounding that.
And the problem is that many, many times
and we see this is that there are so many people
at the higher levels or people that at the local level
that are involved in this corruption and it never goes anywhere.
That's also talked about in the Clown in the Candyman.
Discovery ID podcast is that there have been many instances
where thousands of notes, just like I have right here,
they had people's contact information who were customers
of John David Norman and nothing happened to them.
Discovery ID even requested from the government agency.
I don't remember if it was the Department of Justice
or who many times to see these and supposedly they got lost.
They got misplaced or whatever.
So I just want to say that there's a lot of patterns
that repeat themselves in these stories
that we read about from international places
to what we see at home.
And Weezy, I just wanted to check in with you.
Any thoughts, questions?
Absolutely not.
I'm just listening because like I say that
when you hear me rattling off, it's because I'm.
Holy, not or I feel knowledgeable in whatever subject.
But when I'm quiet, it's because I'm ignorant
and I'm not going to pretend that I know something
that I really don't.
So I'm learning.
I'm here to learn.
Thank you.
How do you feel about the book
and the information that you've compiled so far?
So you mentioned a couple of books that that you recommend,
but are there any other books that maybe for beginners?
I suppose, you know, for someone that may be wanting to get into
this subject or field that you could suggest.
Yes. So I would say if you really are interested,
I think that a good place to start would be P.T.K.
because he talks about a lot of these different cases.
So I think that it's a pretty good intro book
on some of these subjects.
Now it is not, you know, there's a lot more information to be found.
So I would say that is a good place to start.
But there's tons of references in P.T.K.
And if you didn't want to start with a book,
start out with some of these some of these guys work.
Interesting books reviewed is a great place to start
because he will bring up the books
and do a little analysis about what you can find there.
And some of these books are relatively easy to find.
And some are very difficult, almost impossible to find
and have been limited through censorship via cost mechanism.
So some of these podcasts are also an excellent place to start.
And even the Discovery ID
documentary, The Clown and the Candyman.
That is a great place to start as well
because it's just in podcast format.
The episodes are nice and easy.
They lay the story out for you.
And then it's so it's basically I kind of look at it
like as far as educating yourself on this and I'm still in that process.
But we're just going to, you know, whatever we read or watch,
checking out another channel, checking out another book
and just trying to to piece this information together
because there's so much on the subject.
Gotcha. Yeah.
And full disclosure.
This is probably one of those subjects that I don't want to get too deep personally.
I think it's important.
That's why I'm doing it.
We're doing it right now.
I think it's important to know and and not be completely in the dark.
But also for me, at least it's not one of those subjects that
that cause out my name, you know, like
in the way that Lincoln does, for example, or moon landings.
This for me.
And it's for I think it's for those reasons that I gave you at the very beginning.
It's just the thought of kids or innocents getting harmed.
It doesn't sit well with me.
It affects me. It pisses me off.
So that's the only reason it's not that I find it boring.
It's that that barrier for me.
Yeah. And I think that this is something that I kind of go back and forth
with like sometimes I'll be consuming a lot of content related to this topic.
And then sometimes I take a break because it is, you know, staring into the abyss.
Now, one thing I do think it's important, or at least for myself,
I feel really good to be working on my education in this regard
because I am learning about not only the survivor's testimony.
So I see that some people in the chat are talking about that.
But we're also learning about some of the scientific treatment
and verification of what these people have experienced.
And another reason that it is very interesting to me
and why I want to continue to pursue this is because I believe that
that this type of trauma, well, sure,
it's indicative of societal decay that it exists.
But I think that this is an old thing,
you know, an ancient practice in some cases
and important for us to know about.
And also, there are when we're hearing other people talk about their work
and we see people presented to us in today's modern day and time,
I think it's good for us to keep in mind, like,
is it possible that this person was abused
and this is why their behavior is now exhibiting as such?
And I'll give you an example.
So something that isn't necessarily as documented
as far as paper goes or paper trails would be what they refer to as
the Monarch Program.
And that is alleged to be used in Hollywood with entertainers
and people like Britney Spears.
Now, we don't know that that's what happened to Britney.
But what we do know is that she was a child star
who was essentially eaten by the meat grinder
and spit out into whatever we see in today's day and time.
So I think it can give us some context to make sense
of what we're seeing in the world as well.
But I agree with you, it is a very, very dark subject.
And I don't always stay here.
You know, I kind of come in and out and try to learn more as I can.
But it's it's very upsetting.
So, yeah.
So in chapter one, we're talking about the good, the bad and the ugly.
So this is one thing that I just wanted to point out really quickly.
The online survey that they came up with was for survivors of extreme abuse,
and they were invited to respond to a number of items designed
to delineate the range of abuses.
So this is where we're getting into the nuance of what people experience.
And sometimes it's at the, you know, they ask them about their abusers.
Sometimes there is this satanic cult involved.
Sometimes there is an overlap with that and government experiments.
Sometimes people reported just government experience experiments.
And some people were just in a cult and I'm not minimizing that,
but I'm just saying that there are definitely nuances to what people's
experiences are.
So I'm not trying to let tell everyone that one size fits all
in our evaluation of this topic.
So, yes, and Greg had said that monarchs are also groomed to be MK ultra handlers.
That's a really important concept to point out as well.
That so often this is generational.
So you will see that people are often times, you know,
some of these cases that we hear about are very wealthy people
and they were abused within their own family.
And so this serves really as a grooming of the children and
acclimating them to this is how we live our lives, but it also serves
to start essentially programming them for their behavior.
And like, you know, when you're trying to manage this type of abuse,
your boundaries, you don't even know what that is.
It, it really messes with you.
So it breaks their spirit and it sets them up to, yes, continue this,
this type of abuse generationally.
So almost in the, in the survey, almost 1500 individuals
from 30 different countries participated and the topics that were touched on
were again, a warning's upsetting.
Incest, child porn, prostitution, abuse by multiple perpetrators,
being caged, starvation, bestiality, buried alive,
electroshock, sensory deprivation, forced cannibalism and government
sponsored mind control.
So I apologize.
I know that's very disturbing to hear that.
But it's really unfathomable, unfathomable to think that this
could be being done to children.
Yeah.
So very upsetting.
So of respondents who reported suffering, extreme abuse and
childhood, 55% reported abuse in a satanic cult of 257 respondents who
reported secret mind control experimentation, 69% reported having
been ritually abused in a satanic cult.
So I just have that in there to show that there, there's some overlap.
Like these Venn diagrams do overlap a bit, but they're not,
it's not the same one size fits all every time.
And this is a blip in regards to trying to get the language that sounds,
you know, that, that is scientific, that is agreed upon by everybody.
So several years ago, we wrote that the language of history, mathematics
or any subject that has meaning and application throughout the world,
viable language is important to describe the experience of symptoms,
diagnosis and treatment modality.
So coming up with what we can agree on and having a common vocabulary
for this issue is really important.
Studies done with dissociative identity patients versus actors.
When that, when that study was done and there were brain scans that were
happening, there was a very clear.
Signed for the people who actually suffered from dissociative identity
disorder versus people who were just pretending.
So on the outside, you couldn't really tell, but within the brain scans
and the MRIs, you could tell the people who actually were,
you know, victims of dissociative identity disorder.
And victims of DID also score way higher on PTSD evaluations.
So this is an important thing.
Whenever we are hearing a story, for example, when we had the,
the gal on the train in Charlotte who was stabbed, whatever was going on
with that story, but that's what we're told that she was stabbed by this guy
and that he had a very long rap sheet.
And then it turns out he had been arrested fairly recently for abusing
911. And he, when he was abusing 911, he was telling them that he
had a device implanted in him that was controlling his thoughts,
actions and behaviors and what he ate.
So, so he was M.K.
Ultra. Well, it certainly sounds like it.
And that's one of the things that I wanted to say is that when people
who have experienced this, so he's saying that something was implanted
in him, but it doesn't even necessarily have to be that.
So one of the examples in, in this, in the book that we're talking
about, she did have a device implanted in her.
But with the, the way that they can
pair the abuse with mind control, they can actually build walls
in people's minds.
So they can have the idea that if I tell someone the truth,
my head is going to explode or I'm going to die.
So that idea can be implanted there, making them think that maybe
they have something implanted in them.
So he, this is what this guy was saying.
And I thought it was very interesting and little talked about
in regards to that story.
So I, I, well, that's, that's the main thing that I wanted to say
about that.
In addition to he, people were talking about him and they're
like, Oh, this guy skits.
So this guy has schizophrenia.
He's been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
So that's what I wanted to say is that if we're telling
someone, or if we're being told that someone has schizophrenia,
but they say something like that, that would indicate maybe
mind control or dissociative identity, then we need to be
questioning the, how the schizophrenia diagnosis was
come upon.
Because in this book, they talk about, that was one of the
other goals of the survey is to really figure out what
surveys work in order to get the most information.
And therapists need to be trained in looking for differences
between schizophrenia and dissociative identity.
And there are clear differences.
And one of the big ones is scoring much higher on the PTSD
evaluation.
So I just wanted to put that out there that like for something
to us to keep in mind when we hear that somebody was
diagnosed with schizophrenia, but they're saying stuff like
I had a device implanted and it's controlling my behavior,
then at least pause because we, you know, there's a
difference and we don't know what entity said, yes, you
have schizophrenia versus DID.
So it's just something that I try to keep in mind and think
about.
The other thing that makes this issue of getting justice
for victims is not only the other barriers that we've
already talked about, but there are organizations that
have been designed that seem to be there simply for the
purpose of discrediting the people who are speaking out.
So a lot of y'all probably have heard about the false
memory syndrome and there's another one that is called
vocal victims of child abuse laws.
So again, I am not saying that there's never a use for
for people acknowledging victims of lawfare.
I think that's a legitimate thing that we need to consider,
but whenever we have groups out here that are trying to
discredit people like Randy Noblett and other people
who are doing this work, then we need to know that these
organizations themselves, such as the false
memory syndrome have been discredited.
And who are the people that were working on that here
in the States?
It's the usual suspects.
I believe that Jolly on West was involved with the
false memory syndrome and there were other people that
were participating who then later were accused of
abusing their own children.
And the whole idea is that with the false memory
syndrome, when people were reporting the abuse that
they had suffered and to maybe a therapist and the
therapist was trying to facilitate something, you
know, some type of justice, then these groups would
say that the therapist was the problem and the
therapist was who was planting this false memory
into the victim.
So and there's a ton of literature out there on the
false memory syndrome in and of itself.
Dana talks about them quite a bit, but I just
wanted to note that they there are people out
here who are actually very interested in attempting
to to discredit the people that are working
on this issue.
And I think that's a big part of what we see with
the different issues of Epstein's victims being
downplayed.
And I think it was probably Greg was was saying this
to victims testimonies.
Interesting books reviewed said this very, very
well that whenever he's looking at victims testimony
or listening that he does that and it's not that
he does not believe them.
He believes them that they suffered horrific abuse.
However, he likens it to if a child were to go see
a magic trick that the kid you would ask the kid
what did you see what happened and he would say
why I saw one and get solid and half.
Is he lying to you?
No, he's not lying.
That is what he actually saw.
But we know there's more to the story.
So and so basically, I think to keep in mind
that some of these victims, yes, they're telling
you everything that they know to the best of
their ability.
However, it's possible that they themselves
were deliberately deceived about what they were
seeing and that could come in the form of say,
like costumes or some of the the satanic element,
some of the occult symbols.
We don't fully know, but I just wanted to put
that there that it is possible that the people
who are reporting have also been deliberately
deceived in order to make their testimony
and their accounts of what happened seem crazy.
And I had talked touched on this a little bit earlier,
but the term ritual abuse was introduced by Michelle
Smith in her memoir of a richly abusive childhood
in her book, Michelle remembered she specifically
called her experience satanic ritual abuse.
Over time, it has become evident that richly
abusive scenarios other than satanic ones
are frequently employed by the perpetrators.
So it's not always about that.
And then as far as our definitions go,
ritualistic abuse may be defined as being like
ritual abuse, but not all of the above criteria
can be proven or demonstrated.
For example, there may be evidence of a ritualistic
killing where only a body is found.
So some certain amount of that we have to
try to use our discernment and see where
where the facts lead us.
Any questions, Weezy?
No, I'm learning.
OK, and let me know if I'm I'm I'm trying to stay on track.
Keep it interesting, brief, whatever,
not trying to bore anybody, but information dense.
So some ritual abuse may occur within the cult
of cult like setting.
There are a variety of cults, most of which
are likely not abusive.
So I think that's something for us to keep in mind.
I happen to believe that oftentimes this is my opinion,
just based on some dots that I've connected,
that when you're dealing with a cult,
you do have intelligence involved,
whether that is they've infiltrated,
whether it's just that they're watching to observe
behavior, whether it's them working together.
But again, there's just more nuance to that.
And this is something that I wanted to point out
when we're talking about the types of cults
that can exist. There is a lot out there.
So under the bullet point of destructive religious cults,
you could have destructive apocalyptic cults.
So that is and this was actually compared to
like the Branch Davidians, but basically
or maybe the the Heaven's Gate, like the world is ending.
This is our belief system.
And that's the really what their cult is surrounded around
is this like apocalyptic idea.
You also have a destructive pre-industrial cults.
And here they they mentioned some like maybe cults in Africa.
So maybe or people that are practicing
what we would maybe refer to as Black magic,
like if you're looking at centauria or some of the other stuff
that is, you know, we kind of know about it,
but maybe in a cult like setting.
The other one is that I think is probably
the most applicable to what we're discussing today
is destructive demonic cults.
So they meet the criteria for a destructive cults
and also promote the worship or reverence
toward a malevolent deity, spirit or principle,
which will be Satanism, Luciferianism
or the cults which use others or excuse me,
others fear of demons to manipulate or control them.
So I'll give you an example.
Weezy and I have talked about this briefly,
but there's a cult in West and I don't know,
I've heard they're litigious.
So I'm just gonna say they're an alleged cult
in Western North Carolina,
known as the word of faith fellowship.
So the work that I have seen on this particular cult
is not that they're telling,
they're not doing satanic ritual abuse per se,
but what they are saying is that
so this says others fear of demons
to control or manipulate them.
So this cult word of faith fellowship allegedly
has a procedure that they refer to as blasting.
So if I'm in this group and Weezy's in this group
and I think that Weezy has the cussing demon
or something like that,
then maybe we all get around Weezy,
we lay our hands on him
and we're doing what they refer to as blasting,
which is we are screaming,
we're laying hands on you,
maybe we're hitting you
because we are trying to exercise that cussing demon
or it could be the-
Are you gonna finger blast demon?
Or it could be the lust demon or the vanity demon,
like whatever they call it,
according to what I have read about them,
they use the fear of a demon.
So that would still be considered in that category
of a destructive cult, allegedly.
Can I say-
Yeah, yeah.
What about the FLDS?
Would they fit into this criteria?
So the FLDS are,
the LDS are the mainstream church.
The FLDS are the fundamentalist Latter-day Saints.
They're like an offshoot and they,
in Utah they normally live like in small towns
on the outskirts and they have a bunch.
They still do polygamy
and it'll be a house with like a bunch of wives.
Some of them are young little girls
and they're having kids
and yeah, they're told that the father figure
is the prophet and prophet can pretty much tap
whoever he wants in that commune.
So that comes off to me anyways
as something that would qualify as this cultish behavior
because a lot of the women there
are not only sexually abused but mentally abused
and even the boys, the boys are chastised
and at a certain age, they're basically run out of there.
Like we get the hell out of here, you know?
So I know Heidi Love has probably done
quite a bit of information on that
but just what you described is
that's what came to my mind anyways.
For sure.
And I think that they're, again, there's nuance
but whenever you're dealing with yes,
the abuse of young girls
like what we do see in the fundamental sect of LDS
and we also see a very restrictive lifestyle.
Their behavior is very, very restricted
and some of these things do fit the definition of a cult.
So these people are supposed to wear
like their clothing is regulated,
their sexual activity is regulated,
their ability to mingle with the outside world
is regulated and restricted.
They're not supposed to watch television, things like that.
So I think whenever you're dealing with such a secretive
and keep to themselves society
that is so controlling over the lives and behaviors
of the people that are members there,
I 100% believe that that would classify as a cult.
Now, all that to say, I am not an expert.
Again, I am not claiming to be,
I just wanted to bring some, a little,
you know, kind of information of what I have found
and add that to some of the stuff
that we do hear talked about quite a bit
in regards to the abuse and like MK Ultra kind of stuff.
So basically, cult abuse can be defined
as any abuse perpetrated by a cult.
So cult abuse is similar,
but not identical to ritual abuse.
The differences between these two
are that cult abuses are not necessarily,
don't necessarily cause the association of identity
and ritual abuse is not always a cult.
So this is where let's say you could have a family
that is ritually abusing their children,
meaning like this is systemic, this happens a lot
and maybe other people are involved
but they're not necessarily in a cult
except they're abusing children
but it wouldn't fall into the cult ritual abuse.
Because of the nature of ritual abuse
and its frequent association
with a cult symbolism and theology,
there may be a tendency to misidentify it
as religious or spiritual issue rather than a criminal one.
Now, I brought that up not necessarily
because I 100% subscribed to that,
just because I thought it was interesting food for thought.
We do have a lot of groups that an interesting reviews
talks about or interesting books talks about this a lot
as well that we have groups who associate
with like the church of Satan and they say
that they are just, you know,
they're just joking around, they're just mocking
or whatever.
So I think that we have to try to discern
these type of people who are saying
that that is all that they're doing
versus are they actually involved in this type of stuff?
And I'm not saying that everybody is.
So I think it's an important thing for us
to at least keep an open mind
and have some nuance about the situation
that just because everyone, if someone said
that they're a Satanist does not necessarily mean
that they're involved in this stuff, I would have no idea.
And then the other thing that I wanted to wrap up there
is that ritual abuse is often popularly referred
to as satanic ritual abuse.
An expression that implies assumptions
that somebody cannot be substantiated
and thus create obstacles to appropriate scientific
or criminal investigation,
which is really what we've been talking about
is that a lot of this stuff is very difficult
for us to actually confirm.
And then again, when we were talking
about the witness testimonies,
the fact that these folks are often
probably deceived themselves,
or I think Greg was saying it that the waters
are intentionally muddy to make it difficult
for us to know exactly what is going on there.
And one thing before I move on
to just hitting a couple of these other areas in the book,
I wanted to talk a little bit about some
of the other cases that we know about
that are very well documented.
So I want to kick it off with what we talked
about at the very beginning.
We had the Dutro Affair.
Then people, two girls, and Dave McGowan does talk
about this with references that two young girls
were found in Dutro's actual basement
and they had been starved to death there.
So, and he was tried and imprisoned
and there was a huge kerfuffle in Belgium for this.
So I believe that we can consider this a truthful account,
not speculation on the part of McGowan or anybody else.
It's very well documented.
Then we have the case of John Wayne Gacy
and where he was found to have the 33 bodies
of young men buried in his basement.
And then we had the case of Dean Corral
who was outed by accomplices.
So this is the way a lot of these people
will bring in young teenagers sometimes
in the way that we also heard of the young ladies
being abused from Epstein Island
and they then began to be recruiters.
This was a similar situation that Dean Corral had done.
So he had these young kids that would help him.
They would be involved in drugging, raping,
murdering young men.
And it only ended when one of the young men
had brought over a couple of friends
and Dean Corral was getting ready to murder his friends.
Finally, they ended up killing Dean Corral
and they were whistleblowers at this time.
So those are two cases
and their connection is Mark David Norman
who was a very prolific pedophile.
And he had moved a couple of places in the United States
but he had, and this was something
that Dana was talking about last week, a system.
So he had a business and business partner.
So even if he was in prison,
he was able to keep his business running
which is pimping out these young boys all over the country.
And they had the index cards, thousands of customers.
Those index cards were of course lost.
And there were many times when Mark David Norman
should have served much, much longer
like life in prison or death penalty.
And that was not the case.
He was able to get back out, restart his business
and then there's a lot of weird connections
with like Harry Connick Jr.'s dad was a detective
in Louisiana dealing with some of these cases
and they were, it almost sounds like
in some of the recounts of this that they were complicit
in helping to make sure that people
were not held accountable for what happened.
So that story for John Wayne Gacy
and Dean Corral is very well covered
by the Clown and the Candyman ID podcast.
And then the channel that I was talking about
at the beginning of this conspiracy files,
he has a really thorough breakdown
and this has been in the last couple of weeks
that he posted a video deep diving into,
did I say Mark David Norman or David Mark Norman?
I'm sorry for being mixed up on that.
But so there's a lot of information
surrounding these guys
and how they were connected to the network.
Of course we have very famous stories
about child abuse from the daycare perspective
which would be the Presidio scandal
which would be the, what's the school?
I lost it.
It's on the East Coast.
It's a very famous Air Force base
but I can't come up with it right now
but there were daycare programs
and there was allegations of abuse of sexual abuse
that was happening to the kids in these daycares.
And once again, things get put up,
they are, oh it's West Point, excuse me
but these things get brushed on the rug
and really no real justice comes for those families
and the children that are trying to speak out
against this abuse.
Then we also had the McMartin preschool case
where there were, at the time,
people were not believed
when they said that there were tunnels under that school.
It was later confirmed that there were, in fact,
tunnels under the school
and this is a big theme
in some of the other potential traffic.
Is there any bloody mattresses?
No, well, maybe.
Not that I know of that was found at that time
but yes, Squeaky said Aquino or Queeno, yes.
He was involved in psychological warfare operations
in the United States Army.
He's mentioned quite a bit in Program to Kill
and McGowan does believe that as he served in Vietnam
that he was part of Phoenix program.
So we had the tie-in with the Phoenix program,
the torture, terror, mind control piece of this
but these other very famous events
that happened here in the States.
And then of course, we had the Franklin scandal,
we had the Boys Town scandal
and then some famous people were associated with these.
For example, Charles Manson was at one point
an orphan in Boys Town.
Go ahead, Weezy.
I'm just, I just got a Michael Lequino's profile pic.
Very interesting eyebrows.
I think Dustin Helm wears eyebrows like that.
Just wanted to make a point.
Sorry.
Oh yeah, no problem at all.
Yes, the temple of set, this chat knows what's up.
So, but he was involved in the military.
He was involved and identified by these children
who were at the Presidio
that he was one of the ones that abused them.
And he was somebody that had split off
from the church of Satan
and then founded the church or the temple of set
and kind of was starting his own thing.
So there's a lot of mystique around this individual
but he certainly at the very least
is an interesting tie in between daycare abuse,
military psychological operations
and then satanic abuse or satanic, you know,
worshiping or whatever you wanna say that.
So all of this just to say
that we have many, many documented cases of this.
Now, the Epstein piece is one that Weezy
and I are gonna talk about
but that was really the first one
that was put onto my radar
whenever we started hearing about Epstein.
A lot of this other stuff I wasn't as educated about
and I found that there's a tie somewhat
with the book in regards to Epstein
because what they say is that the role of media
is very, very important.
So whenever they reference a specific case
that was from the United Kingdom in the book
where there was accusations of abuse
and children were, or actually this was in Scotland,
children were removed from the home
and the media was portraying the parents and the priests
that were accused of the abuse
as the victims in this case.
They were not advocating for the children
even though these children were mostly kept
apart from each other.
The foster parents who were in charge of them
would keep their artwork that was relevant.
They would document strange things that they said
in a journal.
They kept track of all of this stuff
and when the children found out
that they were going to be returned to their parents,
they were devastated.
So this is one of the chapters that they talk about
really just talking about the role of media.
It is so important in managing public perception
on an issue.
So if you have media running cover for pedophiles
which we have seen many examples of that,
then you're going to be,
that stands as a blockage for our victims
to be able to get to be believed
and to ever get any justice and for them to be safe.
Oftentimes they're sent back to where they came from.
So, and that's it.
We know that the media was an important piece
in what happened with Epstein.
We have the very famous Amy,
gosh, I can't remember her last name,
but she was an ABC reporter
and there was a viral clip of her saying,
we had everything.
We had Clinton, we had names, we had everything.
And they would, you know, basically the ABC
pulled the story because they were afraid
of not being able to get news
from the royal family in the United Kingdom.
Just one small example of that.
And then one quick thing before we kind of wrap up
with the book and do get into the Epstein files.
I mean, there's a lot in the book, everybody.
And, but I don't want to go through word for word.
I just want to give you a highlight.
And of course, if you're ever interested
in reaching out and talking to me about it,
please feel free to email me,
thinkchangerp.gmail.
But one of the other things
that I thought was really interesting
is when they're talking about the survey,
what was the most healing thing for the victims?
And there was all kinds of modalities.
So some people ended up, they did find religion,
they found Christianity or some other worship practice
that was helpful and soothing for them.
Some of them had, you know, like music therapy
or going to their counselor
or all these various treatment modalities.
And I do believe that people can come back from this,
but I think that you need to, first of all, be believed.
And that was the most important thing to these people
is that someone actually believed them.
That is the big thing for helping, you know,
the first step in helping victims
to be able to recover from the life
that they have been involved in.
And then also Layla Decker in the chat
has really been saying some good stuff.
And I want her to correct me
if I say anything that doesn't sound right
because she has some experience with this.
And I'm trying to be like as accurate as I possibly can
and to show all the sides here.
The other thing that I wanted to tie into this piece
is that when people experience this type of abuse
as children, they are being set up to be lifelong victims.
So a lot of people look at Virginia Jouffray, for example,
and think, well, she was 16, that's the age of consent
or she was 17 or whatever it was when she met them.
The problem is that according to her book
and her dad, this is where I wanted to get in
to the higher side chats discussion.
Layla said I'm spot on, thank you so much, Layla.
I truly appreciate that.
But Greg Carlwood was doing this summary of Virginia's book
and he played a clip of Virginia's dad
being interviewed by Piers Morgan.
And the dad said, I believe everything that she is saying.
And Greg was like, great,
because now we're getting ready to get into her book.
So what is not talked about as often,
though I have heard this before,
is that Virginia was abused by her father
at a very young age.
I believe we're starting about the age
of seven years old through 11.
And then he ended up kind of pimping her out
or sharing her with one of his friends.
And so even though that would not be considered a cult,
that would not be necessarily considered ritual,
that is just harmful, incestuous child abuse.
But what you're setting her up for
is to now be a victim of that
because of what it does to your psyche,
what it does to your confidence, your boundaries.
And people that are experienced in that field
that are the predators,
they can spot that from a mile away.
And that is exactly what happened to her.
She dealt with that as a young child
and then she ended up going to work at Mar-a-Lago
because her dad was a groundskeeper there.
And Greg goes on to say,
isn't it interesting that her dad was the one that abused her?
Her dad was the one that got her the job at Mar-a-Lago.
Her dad was the one that drove her for the first time
to meet Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
And then she started working for them.
She was horrifically raped by prime minister.
And I don't remember the name of that,
but it is she's talked about it in a couple of places.
And eventually when she was sort of at the tail end
of her time with them to be used in that way,
then they said, okay, we're gonna pay for you to go
to Thailand to learn massage officially.
And then Greg points this out,
isn't it interesting that that just happens to be
where she met her husband
that we know was a trained MMA fighter
and that there was domestic abuse of all
involved in her relationship with him
throughout the years.
And that whenever she made the call to Jeffrey Epstein
to tell him, I am saying here, I met someone
that they just let her go very easily.
So I think that this gives some credence
to the potential that these people
were all working together from the father
all the way to the husband
and made sure that Virginia was managed
and controlled and watched the entire time.
That was the point of what I was saying.
I just wanna say that people who are victimized
at this age, it makes them much easier fodder
for predators.
And I'm also reading another book called Slave Girl
that is written with a victim and author Tim Tate.
And this was her exact background as well.
She was abused by her father
and then she ends up being
in a drug pimp trapped situation
in the Red Light District in Amsterdam
because of the abuse that she had been set up
with her entire life.
And then the last thing that I wanna end on
before we move on is that
there's a really interesting story in this book
that is talking about a therapist
and her having kind of malleable boundaries.
So this was like a one-on-one research project
where she had a client that was suffering
from the fallout of ritual abuse.
And this was the generational,
the family cult type abuse.
And she, normally therapists will have
really clear-cut boundaries.
I see you in my office,
I don't take calls unless it's an emergency.
I, we don't hang out, we don't have dinner,
we're not friends.
So the therapeutic and patient relationship
is very set in stone.
And that's, you'll see that pretty much across the board.
But this particular therapist
with this particular customer decided
to have more malleable boundaries.
So I'm gonna take phone calls from you outside of here.
I'm gonna build a relationship with you.
I'm gonna show you some of my own vulnerability
in my life so we can actually build a relationship
and see how helpful that may be for you
to work on your healing journey.
And it turns out it was very helpful.
But even with that type of therapy,
that type of one-on-one treatment,
this person still was dealing with
trying to manage her family,
trying to deal with anger, rage,
like all of these emotions
from having a fried central nervous system
through everything that she had been through.
So all of that to say is that there,
I believe that healing is possible
and that there is a possibility for people
to come out on the other side of this,
but they have to have support,
they have to be believed,
and they have to have the right people in their life
who are going to support them.
And whether that's therapists, doctors,
a combination of all of these things,
whatever religious practice may bring comfort to them,
but that is an important part of the healing process.
And then the other thing that I wanted to point out
is that sometimes, unfortunately,
I don't think it's possible
because I think that people well into adulthood,
especially like Brittany, for example,
continue to be handled.
I could be wrong about that.
That's my own speculation,
but we see their kind of bizarre behavior
that does not appear to be them living a happy, healthy life.
And that continues well into adulthood.
And unfortunately, I know that that does happen
to a lot of people
because we don't have the system in place
to treat people who have suffered sexual abuse,
especially in these severe ways.
And we don't always believe them.
There's a lot of debate about that.
And like we're talking about,
there's institutions that are interested
in making sure that we don't believe them
or that they're muddying the waters,
as has been said in the chat.
And then I also would just wanna say
that some of these well-organized pedophile rings,
they not only is the abuse present,
but we even have snuff film rings and things like that.
So there are a lot of children
that have slipped through the cracks to these industries.
And we see what happens
when they get put on the radar at a national scale.
And it should be if the people who wanna protect us
and provide a better quality of life,
this should be priority numero uno
would be to find these people.
But time and time again,
we see that information being,
it's only allowed to get so far
before it really gets brushed under the rug.
And I just don't wanna forget those children
who have been through that and have been lost.
And they don't have anybody speaking up for them.
So I know that's kind of a sad note to end on.
And a happy thing is I do think that people can heal,
but I think that's kind of a wrap
before we get into the Epstein stuff.
And I know I've been blabbing for a really long time,
everybody, I hope that you have gotten
some interesting food for thought
and that maybe we can continue this conversation
in other ways and I can continue learning.
Yes, Nick Reiner comes to mind.
I think that a lot of people thought
that that was potentially something with
that had maybe happened,
especially with the weird Al Franken jokes
to Rob Reiner at his roast.
Over to you, Weezy.
Good job, Ashley.
I wanna introduce a good friend of mine,
Mr. John Bryson, directly from the kill shed.
He is looking like the Appalachian Moses.
He probably has some tablet there with him.
What's up, John?
It is snowing here,
even though I am like four hours southeast
of the Appalachian Mountains,
but I'm glad to be here, y'all.
I caught the tell into the conversation.
I was kind of in and out when Ashley was speaking.
I do wanna add, I think you and Weezy,
I think me and Weezy are aligned
in our distrust of Virginia Roberts-Guffrey.
I'm not saying that she was not molested by her father
and also supposedly a family friend
and by Epstein and I believe by Trump.
Like I am going Maxwell, like in Ehud Barak,
like I'm not saying that didn't happen,
but however, something that a lot of people leave out
about Robert Guffrey was that Robert Guffrey
through numerous tweets that he had put out
was anti-Donald Trump and a lot of people kind of,
and I'm not saying you're doing that on purpose,
Ashley, for whatever you read or whatever you said,
a lot of people leave that part out
when they're saying that I'm not excusing the physical abuse
that Virginia Roberts-Guffrey went through by her husband,
but there is some speculation that could be made
that he wanted her to expose Trump
and he really did not like Trump
and she refused to do that, which is my belief.
I think Weezy, you share this belief with me too,
that her father took a payout from Epstein and Trump
and then later, she was the figurehead by the lawyers
put forth as the figurehead of the Epstein victims
and she got paid
and she, like for example, she derailed Katie Johnson
when Katie Johnson came out
and the whole fiasco of Lisa Bloom,
she was like, I've never heard of Katie Johnson.
I don't know, like kind of like casting shade
on Katie Johnson and Katie Johnson exposing Donald Trump
and Jeffrey Epstein and the Donald Trump raped her
and a girl named Maria, right?
And so, I'm not excusing what happened
to Virginia Roberts-Guffrey,
but however, I'm not also excusing the coverup
that she helped perpetuate as well too,
which I think is a major issue
because even if she was afraid for her life
and understand she's went through a lot of trauma
and put it in a very difficult position,
she did kind of cover up
and help perpetrate further trauma as well too,
which to me is inexcusable.
Yeah, there's a lot of funny business
with Virginia Roberts-Guffrey
as the years passed.
In my mind, she went from being like
the most trusted victim out there
to perhaps the most corrupt
and I still don't know what to make of her final days,
did she tragically take a way out?
Was she taken out?
Or is all that a sigh-up?
I honestly don't know.
There's just so much shenanigans
with everything these days
and I just don't know what to believe, man,
but it's a good segue.
Ashley, I thought you did great.
You had all your talking points
and I just let you do your thing, you did great.
And I felt bringing in the Epstein stuff.
So in typical fashion,
yesterday, Friday, we had a Friday news dump.
A lot of Epstein files came out
and apparently Donald Trump's name
was mentioned at least a thousand times, if not more.
And supposedly most of those are benign messages
in regard to the Epstein files,
but there's some that are like, what the heck?
And one of the ones that a lot of people are talking about
is one that you and I, John,
have been talking about for years at this point,
the whole Katie Johnson stuff.
And I want to remind people,
the reason I started my show,
one of the biggest reasons why I started my podcast
was because of the Katie Johnson stuff.
And when this was, you know, 2019
and people were saying Trump was
here to turn everything upside down.
He was going to arrest the pedophiles.
He was going to do all this, that I found myself.
I didn't know about you at the time, John.
So this is probably why.
But from all the shows that I was listening to,
a lot of the people in the quote unquote truth community
were saying, Trump is our guy.
This is our guy. I voted for this guy.
They were pumping them up.
There were only a hand.
I don't even want to say a handful.
There was only a couple of people out there
that were railing against Trump.
And one of those guys was Ed Opperman.
That's why one of the ones that was really doing it at the time.
But other than that, there wasn't too many people
blasting Trump for his Epstein ties.
And that's what drove me nuts.
That's what motivated me to do my own damn show.
I'm like, if no one's going to do it, I'm going to do it as little.
I didn't have anyone following me.
No one was listening to me.
I didn't care.
I felt like I needed to do something.
And fast forward a few years later.
Now, a lot of the people that were pro Trump
that were getting people to vote for Trump
are like, we need to vote for Trump.
We now they're changing their tune.
They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, now
these are fair weather clowns in my opinion, man.
But John Brisson, you you started supporting Trump at first.
And now you're you're one of the louder voices out there.
You've been you've been on on the Trump case.
You and I did a couple of shows together.
And if you guys are new listeners, check out the shows
that John Brisson and I have done.
They've been great.
We did one on the Bubba and Trump connections.
We did one on the the MAGA exposed, you know, exposing the MAGA grift.
And we were doing these before it became cool.
Now I'm starting to see the weather change.
Now a lot of people are abandoning Trump.
Now a lot of people are finally waking up.
But you and I, John, we've been doing this shit for years, man.
And to a certain degree, it's it's it's awesome.
You know, it's better late than never.
But it's still frustrating, man.
How do you feel about this, John?
I mean, you and I talked about it privately together.
And I it's good to see this stuff come out, obviously.
I had friends call me who aren't really into parapolitics,
who I've talked with for years, you know, high school friends of mine.
And they're only finally like, oh,
did you see that Bill Clinton's a pedophile or Trump's a pedophile?
And I'm like, well, yeah, duh, you know, I haven't been saying this for years.
But I'm kind of like.
Why? Because none of this had to come out.
None of these obscene files really had to come out.
You know, they could have doctored them or changed them.
How corrupt the Trump administration is six ways to next Sunday.
You know, like so like, why is this stuff being released?
You know, why is Israel being painted as, you know,
being so much involved with the Epstein nexus, with Mossad and and and,
you know, like A. Hood Barak, for example, former prime minister of Israel.
It's like, it's like, why, why, you know?
And I see the Q the Q and on MAGA pushers on X, say, Trump,
you know, Jeffrey Epstein is dead and Glenn Maxwell is in prison
and Nexium is gone and Lex Wexner isn't who he used to be,
which there was a Victoria's Secret song.
Halfway exposing Lex Wexner, that was pretty popular out there
and anybody could Google Lex Wexner and see his involvement with Epstein.
Like, why? Like, why is this happening?
And the only conclusion that could come with come to is
is with what they're doing in Gaza,
as far as revitalizing Gaza and turning it to a technocratic city
and everything like that.
To me, it seems like that they want to
have the Jews return back to Israel.
So how do you do that?
And the way that you do that is you get people to alert the crimes of Mossad
and, you know, Israel and and all that.
And then you have the world, you know, protests and instead of,
you know, justice being done for the people that have actually committed
the crimes, we usually as of having you have people turning against,
you know, their neighbors and then you have them return home back to Israel.
Now, that's the only thing I could think of as far as like,
why Israel is getting named specifically, OK?
Because you have average people now that you talk about in your everyday life.
You could talk about the corruption of the Israeli government
and the IDF and the Mossad and especially how, you know,
it combines with Epstein, right?
And then all of a sudden, you know, they'll talk to you
where if this was 20 or 15 years ago,
you would never be able to get I the letter I out of your mouth, you know?
And so you have that going on and then you have Trump being exposed.
You have Bill Clinton be exposed.
We have all these people being exposed from the right or left,
which in theory, you would think would lead to a massive uprising.
And you would think you would think that our government would completely
be demolished from the inside out, right?
And everything like that.
However, however, however, I don't think anything close to that is going to happen.
I think nothing will happen to Trump at all.
Something might happen to Hillary and Bill
because they kind of have it looking that way with, you know,
with the House Oversight Committee, maybe we'll see.
But it's something I've thought about, you know, a long time.
And I as a Christian, I do believe this is all
playing the Bible prophecy and I believe Trump's anti-Christ,
but I'll just leave it at that.
But I would say that this is going to end up leading towards from what I see,
at least in theory, the the famous who line.
New boss, same as the old boss, meaning you're going to have a purge
of people in the old guard and then you're going to have from them
a new guard come up and from then they're going to look like they're better.
But in reality, they're not.
And I think Trump is going to come out completely Teflon in this.
And to be honest, something I've talked about with you, Weezy,
is I got Epstein fatigue because like how much more like we already knew all this stuff.
And I'm not trying to say that this is all secret or hidden knowledge.
And this has been on the Internet for years.
This is Pizza Gate 2.0.
I literally saw the same Pizza Gate players out there saying it's Pizza
Gate 2.0 and how they're all sick.
You had Michael Flynn Jr.
He's sick to his stomach, Weezy and Ashley, sick to his stomach.
You know, it's like, dude, come on, come on.
Like I'm supposed to believe that you're really sick to your stomach about all this crap.
You know, I mean, this is ridiculous.
So it's like this is what we're going to deal with now.
Now, when you go to the water cooler,
all all the regular people that you talk with are going to talk about all this.
They're going to talk about Epstein.
They're going to talk about Trump and Bubba, you know,
like that as far as, you know, I'm going to read something a little bit
from Theos, if you're from Alice Bailey.
This is the externalization of hierarchy.
This is when people see the world for how it is.
The problem is, you know, my mindset six years ago, this is a great thing.
My mindset now is I'm sick to my stomach over it,
but not from what I'm seeing, but from what is to come.
And that might be that might change between all three of us and our,
you know, our opinions on that matter.
But yeah, do I feel is it good to feel vindicated that you're right?
Yeah. But the thing is, is like, what is it going to lead to?
You know, what is going to happen from this?
And it could be multiple scenarios.
I know we see you and I've talked about multiple scenarios
that we keep in our head of what could happen.
Right. And one of those be absolutely nothing happens.
That's one.
That's the one I think is going to happen.
I mean, it is wild to me that.
You know, especially the last couple of days,
this is completely anecdotal, obviously, but seeing the mood on X, for example.
Ever since Elon took it over seems like the most of the voices, at least
through my algorithms was mostly right wing, right, leaning type of stuff,
you know, pro Trump, pro Maga, this pro Elon, this and that.
And the the sentiment I've been getting, and I don't know
if the Algos are messing with me, but at least what I'm seeing is
even people that supported Trump hardcore, even up until last week
are now like, yeah, I don't know about this guy anymore.
And that to me is totally bananas that.
Right now, we have a president, he's president of the United States.
And a lot of people know about these rape allegations against a little girl.
So and before, if you said Trump was a petal,
you're like, you've got nothing.
You've got nothing to say that.
How dare you say that?
That's a that's a democratic hoax.
Now there's stuff out there.
And what is Maga doing?
A lot of Maga is like, well, you know, if he's guilty, I guess that's bad.
They're backpedaling.
When we know for a damn fact, had it been Bill Clinton,
had it been any of these Democrats, they'd be
dropped, spiking footballs, they'd be jumping.
They'd be out on the street screaming with bull.
Now that they're guys there, it's like, but to me, that's telling
because they're even like, well, you know,
they're having a second, they're having second thoughts about their leader.
And that to me is bananas, man, because.
I don't know.
I thought Trump was unshakable in many ways that he kept.
You just said he's Teflon.
I don't know, man.
I'm starting to think his his armor is starting to lose a lot of shine, man,
especially with the last couple of weeks, man, fumble after fumble
man. And with this news drop on Friday,
I'm curious to see how the mood's going to, you know, going to become Monday and Tuesday.
It's wild.
Actually, I've been yapping for a little bit.
Actually, what are your thoughts?
Yes, I wanted to say address what John was saying
originally about Virginia Jouffray.
And I do think that that's a very valuable point.
And a lot of times these people who have been abused
then go on to become the abusers.
That is the generational nature of abuse.
And I think it's very fair to ask questions about Virginia,
especially because of the prominence that she was placed in, you know,
in the story at large, definitely agree with that.
And then in regards to what we're seeing now with the ebbs seen in the Trump,
I agree why, you know, there's a lot of people that are like,
we're being distracted from, you know, ice with the ebbs seen files
or we're being distracted from the war and Iran with the ebs seen files
or or Iran is distracting us from the ebs seen files.
I don't really know.
What I think it is is information warfare
and we're cycling at an incredibly rapid rate for divisive stories.
The algorithm is working overtime to make that keep people stirred up.
It's like putting, you know, your hand in an in an anthill.
You're stirring, you're keeping people agitated and they're literally
their life forces being drained, arguing about these various things.
But as far as why are we actually supposedly getting some document
releases on ebs seen?
I don't know either, especially some that seem to truly implicate Trump
from his Department of Justice.
I don't understand that either.
And then, of course, I don't necessarily understand
understand what like what you were talking about with controlled noticing
a little bit with putting all of this like bad publicity for Israel out there.
Very obvious.
And one of the things that we talked about on our Vietnam episode
was the Phoenix program, which is the terror and torture program
that was in Vietnam and in order to help not only break supply chains
and and affect people mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
but it also the war at large helped to transition
the country of Vietnam north and south from this agrarian society
to whatever the the West wanted it to be.
And I feel like that is what we are seeing in real time in Gaza,
maybe in Ukraine.
I've had my questions about Ukraine because why did we have all of this
footage of of the ruins of Gaza?
But we don't see much out of Ukraine.
But if both of these places are in forever wars
and they're being continually destroyed, then I think that that is
Vietnam 2.0 and 3.0.
That's the destruction of this place
so we can build something else with the technocratic state.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I think it's psychological operations, Ashley.
I don't believe anymore of like,
what are they trying to distract us from?
Because they could never tell us and they could make it
so that we don't even know in the first place.
So like will distract us from what, you know?
And so I no longer think that anymore.
I think they're running psychological and
psychographical operations and spiritual operations, too.
But, you know, on the on on the worldwide population
through social media, through algorithms, through news,
through bots, you know, to drive whatever
narrative they want people to believe.
And we all, all of us here and everybody listening,
we all fall for it from some degree.
Don't think we're above it.
We ain't. All right.
And, you know, it's tough.
But I look at more like that now instead of the stereotypical
kind of like conspiracy culture mindset from like 20 years ago
that I used to believe, too, is like,
where are they trying to keep us from knowing?
You know, we don't ever have to know.
You know, there's stuff that happens around the world
that none of us know, you know, that are sitting here,
you know, all three of us talking and people listening.
It happens all the time and none of us know about it,
you know? So then the question is, is why?
And then the question is, is why now?
You know, and that my belief, that again,
my belief is, is it's going to whatever
they want to accomplish.
And I do believe that, you know, we like to think
it's one singular world order, right?
But I do believe it's kind of like more of a mafioso family
where they do compete more often than we think that they do.
And they do try to harm each other more than I think they do.
I think they have a goal that they want to accomplish.
But and it's something I go back and forth
because I talk a lot about, we've read the documents of it
kind of being a singular thing.
But I really don't think it is a singular thing.
You know, I think they do a lot of fighting
and but they do want goals that they ultimately want to accomplish.
And so I don't know, you know, I don't know exactly why now.
We have the controlled noticing going on,
the controlled externalization of the hierarchy with Epstein
and, you know, ritual satanic abuse and all that coming forward
and stuff like that.
Like what's next, the false alien invasion
and false project, you know, Bluebeam or whatever,
like what's next coming down the pipeline?
Because obviously this is what they're doing.
Obviously, this is how they're setting it up and they want us to know
because they like again, like Trump had all the time in the world, like also
like with Palantir, Palantir work with the Biden administration
and work with the Trump administration, right?
All this data could never had to be released to the American public.
But yeah, here we are.
And yet here, all three of us are talking about it.
So, you know, again, it makes me think that it's for psychological
and psychographical operations.
They want to play on people's personalities and emotions
and they want people to think a certain way about certain events.
And yes, do I believe that a lot of the information that we had
because Weezy and I knew about Katie Johnson years ago, right?
They still bury Katie Johnson and they're still burying Katie Johnson today.
Yes. But, you know, as far as a large larger narrative
is concerned, I think overall it's whatever they're trying
to get people to feel and think.
And again, you know, if they want to do World War Three
or war in Iran or civil war,
what how anybody listening to us three here, how are we ever going
to accomplish to try to stop anything like that?
It's not if they want to do it, they're going to do it.
So that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, you know?
And again, when I'm seeing all this stuff and I know, you know, Weezy,
I know you and I've talked about it.
It's like, yeah, I'm glad to be confirmed.
But at the same time, I'm just like,
you know, because this isn't going to lead to some massive,
you know, outcry and, you know, rebellion against Donald Trump.
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it happening.
Look at all these things that have occurred the last couple years, COVID.
A lot of people got screwed over with COVID and.
Nothing happened, you know, we just complied.
It's almost like in the back of our memories, you would have.
Some people applauding the measures that happened six years ago as completely necessary.
I'm like, what realities did we live?
You think that was OK, but no mass revolts happened.
Then, you know, look at what's going on right now.
People are mad with the ice.
Killings and so on and so forth.
And you even have Trump saying, take away the guns, you know, which is hilarious
because I made a tweet about that the other day, where this is how they're
going to take away the guns.
The left is already mostly anti gun as it is.
You just needed to throw a Trojan horse on the right.
And that Trojan horse is Trump.
And although I don't know what these.
Now that now they're pro gun, Weezy, now they're pro gun.
And that's the craziest thing about it is.
The the weapons, if they have the weapons that they claim, they have
like psychotronic weapons and stuff like that, like if they truly do, right?
What's our guns going to do?
What are they going to do?
You know, at the point, what's your little what's your 22 going to do?
And I understand guerrilla warfare, but Americans don't have an
hit them for guerrilla warfare.
We just don't.
And if I kind of get it, there's been, I'll just finish up.
It's just there's been plenty of these instances, the last few years alone.
I'm not talking about over decades, just the last few years alone, where
we should have stood up and revolted and we've done nothing.
So I hate saying this because people are going, oh, you're just a black
pillar. Oh, I don't give a shit.
It's reality.
We're not going to do nothing about it.
Unfortunately.
Sorry, Ashley, go ahead.
Don't interrupt me, Weezy, when I'm vibing, I'm just kidding.
Just joking.
But oh my gosh, I did actually lose the point that I wanted to make.
Oh, no, sorry.
No, no, no apologies.
You were you were talking, but I don't know.
Maybe it'll come back to me.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I mean, that's really the only thing I wanted to say is
people are going to get butter.
People are going to get angry for me being a black pillar.
I've been called the black pillar lately.
And yeah, I've been called black for a long time.
Yeah. And I'm like, all right, whatever, man.
You can go ahead and believe in your little fairy tale.
You can believe Trump is going to save you
even though he's balls deep in the house.
And that isn't conjecture anymore.
This is a fact now.
I say, I say, I, Weezy, it's artificial.
Oh, yeah, it's a democratic hopes.
That's what I'm here, a democratic host, artificial intelligence.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's yeah.
And we're not going to do nothing.
Sorry. Oh, it looks like it's come back to you.
Go ahead, Ashley.
It did come back to me.
So when John was talking about guerrilla warfare
and this is something I think about a lot, right?
Because we do have a lot of guns in the United States
and a lot of people, especially in the Liberty community,
are like, oh, you think that we can't do anything
against your military?
Just ask Vietnam.
But per what John was saying, the people in Vietnam
were very well connected.
They had very connected whisper networks, essentially,
where people could communicate with one another in real life.
This isn't using tech that's already infiltrated by the feds.
And in order to do the training, first of all,
they were trained by the CIA, Ho Chi Minh,
and the Viet Cong were at the beginning of this whole thing.
And also when they were training, even to fight against the French,
they went to malaria infested swamps to train
because they couldn't be accessed there.
So I don't see anybody who's saying that we're going to take on
a totalitarian government with American guns.
I do not see them acknowledging the sacrifice of going and training
in a malaria infested swamp in order to facilitate that.
Never mind the community building that absolutely would be required
without any use of technology.
So I just wanted to put that out there.
No, I agree with you, Ashley.
We don't have it's not it's long gone.
It's long gone in the Patriot community once you think that it is and it is.
And, you know, I, you know, I wanted to, you know, discuss too.
Now, do hold out the possibility because, you know,
we as United Being ITPs were able to hold multiple possibilities in our head.
There's one that we think is going to be the likely one,
but we're able to hold multiple possibilities in our head.
One of my new hold is, like I said, where one side goes down, you know,
you could say it's the controlled great reset to the false great awakening.
OK, so like one side goes down and one side stays kind of relatively
squeaky clean out of it. All right.
So you could have a disclosure where, you know,
Trump was robbed of the 2020 election and, you know,
and look at all this other stuff.
And you could have eventually where the stuff that came out against Trump
and the Epstein files.
Well, you know, that was all a democratic hoax.
And here's the proof.
Now, I'm not saying it is, but I'm saying that's what could be fed.
And all of a sudden they're rounding up Barack Hussein Obama.
They're rounding up, you know, the Clintons and they're doing public mass executions.
Maybe, maybe, you know,
it's happened before revolutions where one side goes down and the other side goes up.
All right. That could happen still.
Now, sometimes I think yes.
Sometimes I think no.
And if that happens, I'm not saying it's a good thing.
Patriots are in control. OK.
Like that would be, you know, you're you're cute on person.
Is it happening? Is it happening?
You know, but I will say something I find very interesting
is there are building camps.
They've been building camps for a long time, but now you have them actually
at least if the information is correct and true,
them getting like massive warehouses ready for whatever is coming.
All right. Now, something that I would think about is going on.
I know this is speculative is
I don't know if they've, you know, the Trump administration.
I don't think it was happening during Biden, but it could have been.
But I think it's happening during Trump administration.
I think that the homeless people have been disappearing.
And there have been some normy YouTube channels have been covering it.
All right. And, you know, they're supposed to be a shout out to Heidi Love.
They're supposed to be a major camp out there for the homeless
and for the mentally ill put forth out there in Utah.
All right. So again, like
unless you're, you know, working directly in the homeless community,
you know, and there have been some homeless people
that I've noticed around that I used to see all the time have disappeared.
But, you know, something could have happened to them.
They could have moved like I can't.
You know, that's just could be just bias, you know.
But what if that's been going on these past few, you know,
this past year since Trump has got in where, you know,
there are people that have started missing.
Like what if the camps have already started happening
and people that conspiracy culture have been saying for years
is just kind of just going by the wayside
because nobody's really paying attention, you know?
Like am I wrong to think that, Weezy?
Am I wrong to think that, Ash?
I mean, you know, tell me if I am.
But I think in some regards that is going on.
I certainly think that that's a really interesting theory
and a possibility, John.
I do think that we know we have historical evidence to know
that people in the the cryptocracy
that all of these institutions,
whether that's the intelligentsia and universities
and whoever else they're involved with prison, prison ministry.
We know that this is the people that nobody cares about.
That is who they use in their experiments.
They use the people that are truly disadvantaged
in order to learn whatever they want to learn
to get away with whatever they want to get away with.
So it certainly would not surprise me to learn
that this is a possible something that they're setting up.
And we know that they they track the dissemination of stories.
They see who's saying what, who's retweeting it,
who is liking pro-Zionist or anti-Zionist posts.
Like, oh, they're sealing our data constantly.
And so it would not surprise me
that there would be a continuation of human experiments
to see how do these people do in the camps?
The people that nobody cares about,
the people that nobody knows that they're missing.
And we also know that they have cultivated a huge amount
of homeless people through the war on drugs,
which is the war on us through deliberately cultivating
mental illness through going after the family units to,
you know, the like homeless military veterans or people who have,
you know, issues when they come home from something like that
and they're not cared for.
And in a million other ways that the the loneliness,
the isolation that has been cultivated from COVID
to create this huge population of homeless people
or of the unhoused, you know, people who are in despair.
And then they're taking advantage of it wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah, we had Elon Musk tweeting out,
I think the public will be rightly frustrated
if no one's prosecuted from the Epstein quiet list.
If no prosecutions emerge,
it'll be proof that institutions are a sham.
They no longer serve the public good.
So out of that, you could have the prosecutions,
but out of that, you may not have the prosecutions instead
because the government is so corrupt.
Therefore, we have to have artificial intelligence
run the government.
You can have one or the other.
And I eventually I do believe
that artificial intelligence will be running the government
and in fact, the whole world as the image of the beast
as you're there.
But, you know, I do think that, you know,
again, they're setting that up for,
we know Elon Musk, you and I have talked about it.
Elon Musk is deeply involved with, you know, Jeffrey Epstein,
you know, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Palantir, you know, PayPal,
you know, and even though there was supposedly a fallout
over PayPal over Elon Musk and Peter Thiel,
I don't believe that at all.
And, you know, there was even an interesting email
in the records where they were read
Hoffman of LinkedIn fame was discussing how the cryptocurrencies,
XRP and Stellar were kind of like a, you know, the threat,
but they're both funded by the same person
and that same person, in my opinion, is Peter Thiel.
All right.
And so, you know, I think that, you know,
interesting enough with Elon Musk,
you know, Epstein data dump
within, you know, the files is I think all three of us,
I'm not trying to speak for you, Ashley,
but I think all three of us think that all of them are guilty.
You know, Elon Musk is guilty,
but the way that the
emails are written, except for one that I've seen, maybe two,
do give him somewhat a little bit of plausible
deniability to the people that like Elon Musk.
And there's people that don't trust Trump that like Elon Musk.
OK, you know, you see that a lot on X, you know,
that could just be a lot of people just kind of, you know,
pleasing, you know, saying pleasing words about Elon Musk
just because they want they want to stay on X, right?
And get boosted in the algorithms or whatever, right?
But you do see a lot more of that, too.
So again, I don't I don't think Elon Musk is going to be
if one side goes down as a right now and closing.
And I want to hear what Weezy's thoughts are.
Um, I think it's primarily going to be the left side.
You might have some right people thrown in it as well.
But I don't I don't think Trump and Musk are going to go down.
And if they do, I'll eat a hat, because I really just don't think that they will.
At least if they do, it's not going to be any time soon.
My thoughts, I don't know and I don't care.
I just do my own damn thing.
Um, it.
Been saying this for the last few weeks
that I haven't been paying attention too much to these politics.
I'll catch a headline here and there, but I honestly, it's it's just too much bullshit, man.
I've been going down like.
Philosophical, philosophical avenues and reading ancient writings and.
Ways of understanding this week, I focused on.
Hearing different people talk about what they think is consciousness.
That's the stuff I'm feeling with my mind these days.
Like this whole Elon Musk and the technocratic state, it's already here.
What am I going to do?
Like here, you hear you be, be ready.
The technocratic state, they're already here, man.
I mean, I could, I guess, get balls deep into it and finding
all Peter Teal's doing this now.
Oh my gosh.
You're not right.
It's already here, man.
You're not writing your congressman and getting together protests
and and and you know, whipping the people up into a frenzy to stand up against it.
How dare you, black pillar?
Yeah, so I guess you can call me a black pill, but I'm a happy black pill
because I'm not letting it get to me.
I'm not like I know it's bad.
I know it's horrible and I don't think I think we're too far down
this way to do any significant change.
Now, with my little podcast, I feel like I'm trying to wake some people up
and maybe it's working to a small degree.
That's my contribution to humanity.
But I think we're too I'm being realistic.
It's not that I'm being a negative Nancy.
If I was a negative Nancy, I'd be crying right now and be wallowing.
And I'm still trying to enlighten myself.
Even though the technocratic state is already here, I'm still trying
to become the Weezy Buddha or some shit, you know what I mean?
So I want to be the happiest black pillar you'll ever meet.
Like, yeah, we're fucked.
But I'm not I'm not just going to lay down and cry
and suck my thumb with a blanket now, man. I'm chilling.
I'm going to I'm going to ride this.
I'm going to go with the vibe, man.
So it's all good.
So that's my views.
I know it doesn't answer your question, John, but I like respectfully
and you know me, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't be rude by this.
But I don't care what Trump and Elon Musk are up to or any of that shit.
I don't I honestly don't care to be honest.
It's a waste of time for all it is to be honest.
But I mean, what do we got to talk about?
We got to, you know, I mean, like to do to a degree.
What do we why do you think I've been doing like Seneca shows
and and the epic of Gilgamesh because that's one of the reasons why, man,
because all this other shit is excuse my language, but retarded.
It's it's if you really get consumed
and you allow it to consume you more, you're playing into that divide and conquer.
You know what I mean?
Because the few times that I do read some articles
or or go down in X and watch someone make an inflammatory post,
then I'm not going to lie to you.
I feel like right in the common.
Well, fuck you, I'm like, damn it.
I'm letting it get to me.
So I have to like I have I have to constantly remind myself.
Enough, man, this isn't good for your or your mind.
This isn't good for whatever we have inside of our soul or whatever,
you know, our well-being.
So that's just it, man.
I want to talk about it like we talked about it today.
I thought it was a killer show.
I thought I actually came in and kick some serious boots.
Hey, and then, John, I wasn't sure if you were going to make it
because of of how the snow was going to treat your kill shed.
But it's it looks like it held up.
You came in and kicked ass as well.
And this is how to do it, man.
You you got to stay on top of things, I guess.
But don't get caught up in it.
Yeah, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, you're you're you know, your life and the people around you
and your relationship with God, like all these things like they matter.
Like, you know, like it's yeah, I understand
research and gives you dopamine hits and I get all that and everything.
But in the end of the day, like.
I guess as we've been been researching for so long,
it should not be the thing that gets you up.
In the morning, you know,
because if you sit here and just there's other things that get me up
in the morning, ways, you know, no, no, no, but anyway, but anyway,
I'm just saying, like, you know, there, you know, there's it's not.
I mean, you and I call each other up and talk about it sometimes, right?
But it's just like I used to get so mad, you know, like you're
discussing, like reading X and just go get so like I was I forgot
who I was going to respond.
There's someone I saw next to day and I thought I was going to
like respond to somebody and stuff like that, you know.
But then I realized, what's the point?
Why? It's not going to change anybody's mind or opinion.
You know, what am I doing with my life?
You know, it's not even that important anyway.
You know, for me to say, you know, hey, you know, while you were
you know, telling everybody to go get the jab because you're
a leftist parapolitics researcher and I told you that
Biden was working directly with Palantir through Operation
War Speed, Operation Tiberius Kurt.
Look where we're at now, you know, because the person's
like, what was Biden doing?
They must have been involved.
It's like, yeah, of course, Biden administration was driving
the ball down the court for Trump to lay it off.
That's where we're at, you know, and by me yelling at him
for that word is, what does that get me?
This gives me mad.
It just raises my time, you know.
So I understand that man.
I mean, you know, you and I might look different on
religion, but more and more I'm thinking I'm just going
to read the Bible on my streams and do less
parapolitical talk because what's the point?
What's the point of it?
You know, like, where is it?
I don't know.
Maybe maybe you and I are just getting cynical
in our old ages, Weezy.
Dude, I'm reading the Bible, too.
Probably for a different reason.
Yes, different reasons.
Yes, but I mean, you know, to be serious, like I do
these things like to keep my sanity, man, because we
are being scyopt with all this shit, man, the Epstein files.
We're going to get them.
We're not going to get them.
They're real.
They're not real.
It's a democratic hoax.
No, no, no.
Trump is balls deep in it.
Was Epstein a real person?
Was he killed?
Is he in the Bahamas still?
Is the lane under like we're being sawed continually?
Whether we know it or not, these are all bullshit
things, even these latest ice shootings.
This is going to sound sacrilegious.
I'm not 100 percent sure some of these were even real.
They could have been for all we fucking know.
And yet you got people ready to do riots
and and kill each other over this shit.
They're priming us up for a civil war is what it seems like.
It seems quite apparent to me.
And I'm not going to bite to it.
Yeah.
I'm going to increase my knowledge capacity
because I am a dumb ass.
I'm a retard.
I I want to clear the air.
Some people think that I think I'm some kind of wheezy
stradamus or the ghetto Socrates.
No, I'm a fucking retard.
Let's just get it out there.
But I'm trying to I'm trying to expand my knowledge
level to a certain degree, you know,
I'm definitely no Einstein by any stretch of the imagination.
So that's what I'm trying to do, man.
And I encourage if you are getting overwhelmed
with the current new cycle,
a lot of the shit is stressing you out.
Just take a break.
Just walk away.
This only exists on the Internet to that degree.
Like, I know it's real life.
I know that we live through it.
But the amount that people invest in it, it's just the Internet.
Go be with your family.
Go touch grass, you know, like I have to tell myself that.
I don't like think I'm just lecturing you guys on this.
We're all susceptible to it.
Yeah, that's exactly it, man.
And that's one of the reasons why I do shows
that have nothing to do with current events.
I want to expose you guys to stuff that's helped me, you know,
not because I'm a saint, it's because I'm extremely flawed.
I got tons of damn issues, but I'm trying to do something about it.
And if I find it helps me out, I want to share it with y'all.
You know what I'm saying?
And this is what I meant.
I can't remember when I said it, but I go when I started the show.
Yeah, what's what primed me up was this.
No one was talking about Trump.
That was one thing.
But the biggest driver was forming a community of.
Like minded individuals.
And when I say like minded individuals, I'm not talking about you.
People agreeing with every single thing I say, hell, no.
What I mean by like minded individuals is that we can have conversations,
even when we don't agree with John and I had a very tough discussion on faith.
It got heated.
And fast forward from that first interaction that John and I had,
that was the first time John and I had met ever.
After that conversation, then it was tough as heck.
We came, I came at him pretty hard.
He came at me pretty hard ever since that we've even got closer as friends.
And this is how it should be.
You I can't stress that enough, man.
I've tried to get along with as much people as you can, man.
Not where part of the sign up is to divide us and view each other as enemies.
And if we have one, it could be a big difference.
But if we have one difference, we're supposed to scrap them out
and never talk to them or agree with them ever again.
And what I visualize with my community that I'm trying to build here is,
no, let's have these discussions as tough as they may be.
Let's have it.
You know, this is why I open up the stream yard regularly.
I want to hear from people.
I want to hear different points of view.
And and it also serves to distract us
from the constant psyops that we're getting fed on a daily basis.
Go ahead, Ashley, you've been.
Well, you're in your flow, you know?
Yeah, I agree with that.
This is something that we talked about on the nights earlier today,
which is, you know, the grass grows where you water it.
So while we may not be able to address on our own these giant systemic problems,
what we can do is exactly what Weezy and John are talking about,
which is cultivate relationships with people in real life
and appreciate what we have in real life
and realize that we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater
when we do have a disagreement with somebody.
I was very angry during COVID times
and especially at the people who were militant about distancing and jabs and all this stuff.
And it's not that I don't care about that,
but I I have let a lot of the anger surrounding that go
because I have sympathy for people that have been manipulated
in a thousand different ways to come to the conclusions that they are coming to.
And I have no desire to argue with someone over their political beliefs.
If you want to have a discussion with me, a respectful discussion,
I'm here for it.
If you want to agree to disagree, I'm here for it.
As long as we have respect, then I'm more interested in cultivating
in real life relationships with people that
you can foster a human connection with.
I think that's important.
And I think that is one of the big things,
you know, for survivals of humans, we need community
and they have desperately tried to separate us from that.
So that's where we can make a difference in our own lives,
is start reaching out to people again.
100 percent final words, guys, this was a lot of fun.
I really enjoyed everything.
Again, you keep the latter ass, actually, and I want to.
I want to tell you you already know we chat off the air
and anytime you want to bring up any subject
and you want to do a whole show, my door is open.
You you're awesome.
And I want to thank John, too.
Last second, I go, hey, John, I don't know.
In the middle of a blizzard.
You're in the middle of a blizzard right now in the kill shed,
braving the elements.
I'm surprised you're not in in in a speedo, to be honest.
No, I'm too old and too cold for that.
That is happening.
Last second, bro, I reached out to you
and you graciously accepted and you came in and kicked ass as well.
But I want to give you guys the last words before we call it.
Ashley, real quick, have you ever read the witch hunt narrative by Rossi Chet?
I haven't.
And actually, John, I was hoping that I could connect with you off the air
because there's a couple of things about this that I wanted to ask you.
What is that book again?
The Witch Hunt narrative by Rossi Chet, C-H-E-I-T.
Yeah, of course, we read the documents at proteinmail.com.
Ashley emailed me a time.
But yeah, I I I would definitely recommend reading that book next.
It's it's very scholarly, very good read.
I don't think that Rossi Chet goes as far as he should on certain things,
but he he did a good job exposing the false witch hunt narrative
that was put forth at the bare minimum.
Like he doesn't discuss the satanic ritual abuse aspect of all those cases,
but he does discuss a lot of the pedophilia that did take place
that dismisses people just saying it's satanic panic.
So it's very much court records and interviews and stuff like that and everything.
So that's exactly what I'm looking for.
Thank you. I would definitely get that.
It's more of a scholarly work.
I forgot exactly.
I think it was Brown University, I think Rossi Chet was.
But yes, so I would definitely pick it up,
especially one of the best exposés on McMartin preschool that ever existed
as far as like the as far as the
like court documents and stuff and everything.
It's very good work that he did.
I've talked with Rossi Chet.
I should have interviewed him when I had the chance, but I never did.
But anyway, this one to make sure that you knew that
so you can would be good for you to read.
Yeah, thank you.
Other than what I have left to say, I guess we already really said it.
I ain't nothing really left to say, Weezy.
You know, I'm glad to be on here with Ashley.
Glad to be here with you.
Thank you for having me on, brother.
And just so people were to find you, John, and I'm going to add you
to the description and yeah, we've read the documents on YouTube.
Just search easy to find me as long as my channel still up.
Substack as well.
Yeah, substack.
I am finishing my finders book.
It will be out this year, Lord willing.
So I got about 350, almost 400 pages written.
I'm going to do my best to finish it.
The great resets crushing me.
So I've had to doordash more than I'd like
instead of finishing the book that I've been writing for five years.
But hey, you know, I finished two books on health.
You know, I've written over 200 plus articles on fixure at gut.com.
You know, I've written some articles for
you know, the substack.
So I think I've done better than maybe George R. R. Martin, you know,
wins a winner being like, I don't know, like how many years in the making?
We like 15 like 20.
It's getting to 20.
It's very, it's very depressing for us.
A song of ice and fire fans.
So John, thanks a lot.
Well, I hate to say it, but George R. R. Martin is an ITP like Weezy and I.
So we love starting stuff.
We hate finishing stuff.
It is what it is, you know.
So I got to hope I finished my fire's book eventually.
But I'm glad to be here, you guys.
Hell, yeah.
Another fire show.
Hope you guys enjoyed that.
And then for anyone that wants to.
Listen to a UFC commentary, we will be it's seven o'clock right now.
So in two hours at nine o'clock Eastern, we will be live on rumble.
You are listening to this on podcast player and you don't see the show UFC
on podcast player.
Go to my rumble.
Follow me there and you can watch shows.
I'm too lazy to upload them to the podcast players.
So if you guys want to catch that, we talk about the fights, but we also talk
about current events in between the rounds.
We have a good time.
We do get rowdy though.
If I'm just at that cusp of you tolerating me because I'm kind of wild.
You may not want to catch the UFC commentary.
We go off the damn rails there.
Just a fair warning because some people are already upset with my gratuitous
F word usage.
I get one dude.
I'm ready to call him out by name every damn week.
He's like, it's like he keeps a swearing counter.
He listens to the show.
He's like, oh, wow, you only said like five F bombs today.
Good job.
Oh my gosh.
Like he's got an F.
Am I dude?
I'll just drop it and over that, but it's so ridiculous.
Anyways, I want to thank people that enjoy the show that are positive.
As the show grows, I noticed too, this is a sign of growth.
I have a legion of dedicated haters.
Like before we start shows, we get thumbs down.
And I do want to say I am one of those dedicated haters.
Okay. Okay. Copy that.
There you go.
That's even better.
But um, yeah, it's a, it's been, it's been awesome.
The last couple of weeks we've had new listeners and, um, like I said,
we're on a mission to have a great year.
Even if we don't touch on current events or per se, I mean,
we're going to cover a bunch of different stuff and it should,
I've got some great, great, uh, guest ideas lined up in my head.
And I just hope they go through, but it's going to be a fire,
fire year, but uh, follow my boy John Brissum.
He's a young Christian warrior.
If you guys are, are middle-aged, middle-aged, middle-aged,
so not younger than me.
You're younger than me.
You're, you're not that much.
You're, you're, you're grandpa Weezy.
I'm, you know, I'm only.
You're a spring chicken, Johnny B, Johnny B easy.
And, uh, thank you, Ashley.
Uh, I have Ashley's email.
If you want to, uh, get a, get in touch with her.
If you got any questions as well as her ex,
as well.
So thanks everyone.
Much love hugs and kisses.