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Well, to the Delling Poll. With me, James Delling Poll.

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And I know I always say this about my special guest,

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but it's not a special guest this week.

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But before we can work out who it is,

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shall we have a word from one of our sponsors?

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and all the people having to put on these horrible hand sanitizers

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were getting their skin all cracked and dry and horrible.

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of having a sort of fundraiser

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with soothing beeswax balm.

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So it was just a kind of altruistic gesture.

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And over 1000 nurses and carers across the Stroud area

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ended up getting these soothing beeswax balms.

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And this developed into a business of massage oils,

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bath oils, shampoo bars,

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aromatherapies, organic handmade soaps and so on.

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All of it made with natural ingredients,

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no nasties, no cruelty to animals.

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And now brand zero naturals is going great guns.

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That's brandzeronaturals.co.uk.

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I love their stuff.

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And they're really popular as well.

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Loads of people buy their stuff.

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I think you'll like them if you don't use their stuff already.

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brandzeronaturals.co.uk.

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And welcome to the Delling Pod.

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Dick.

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Not special, yes.

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I am fresh from a telling off from your host.

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Because you know what I did?

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I broke the golden rule.

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I had a pre-conversation,

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a pre-podcast conversation.

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And I started to touch on subjects which might be a goldmine.

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Yeah.

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Laugh and bon mo.

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You just came in with your giant digger

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and sort of trashed all the seams

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that I was going to get my little team of dwarves

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to go and, you know, to mine properly with their beards

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and their pickaxes and stuff.

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As dwarves do.

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Yeah.

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They're doing the mines of Mordor.

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Moria.

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Moria.

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Moria.

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Right.

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Yes.

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What I was talking about was...

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Speak, friend and enter.

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What was it called?

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Speak.

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Speak, friend.

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Speak, friend and enter.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Anyway, sorry, Karen.

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So what I was suggesting,

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I pointed out the sound quality issues

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on the recent guest, J.R. Sweet.

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J.R. Sweet.

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Now I don't know...

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I was looking for the comments below

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and I thought immediately everyone's going to say

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do something about bloody sound.

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But no, they will go,

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what a fascinating interview.

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And I was thinking,

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had they not noticed that you have to turn

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James's part right down

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and then J.R. Sweet,

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you have to turn up to full

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just to hear what he's saying.

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Okay, I get this,

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but think about it.

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You're listening to a podcast

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about a guy who was trained

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as an Illuminati assassin

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after his earlier period as a child porn star

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forced to do this by his family.

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And then he witnessed

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the most evil satanic ritual you can imagine

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and he was hunted down

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in a child hunting expedition,

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which also included Paris Hilton.

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You kind of see why people are going to be

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focusing on the content rather than the...

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Yeah, delivery.

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I've seen you interrupt people

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midstream saying,

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can you do something about your sound

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or your internet connection or whatever?

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I try to.

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I try and do my best.

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Okay, look,

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if people can help me,

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I'm happy to do it.

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You know, we've got a gardener now.

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Right.

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I mean, not every day, obviously.

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Do you know what his name is?

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Chant the gardener.

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No, he's not called.

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No, he's not.

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Have another guess,

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thinking about yourself more.

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Is he called Dick?

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Yes.

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And I've told him we can't call him Dick

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because it's too close to home.

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Yeah.

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So he's called... Guess what we call him?

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Richard.

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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So we call him Richard.

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Some people call me.

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So Richard came and he was listening

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to one of my podcasts today,

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and he said,

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oh, you need to get yourself a camera.

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And I said, yeah, Richard,

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maybe I do,

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but I hate that kind of thing.

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And because I'll have to learn stuff to do,

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to make it work.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I can't be doing that.

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And he said, oh, he said,

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no, you can probably do stuff like

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you can use your iPhone as a camera.

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And I said,

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I'm not going to research how to do that.

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He said, well,

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well, couldn't you...

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Now you're...

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Now you've got downtime.

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Couldn't you...

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And I said,

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no, I find it boring.

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And he said, well, I don't find it boring.

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I said, well, you do it then.

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You do my research for me.

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And tell me what to do.

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And I'll do it.

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And same with anyone listening to this.

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Look, anyone can make my job,

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make the podcast production better

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without me having to...

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I'm happy to write a check.

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That's fine.

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I just don't want anything that involves me

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having to learn stuff.

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What if the camera was just a simple matter

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of plug it in

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and it just takes over from your previous

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embedded camera and your thing?

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I mean, I'm sure that would be a start,

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wouldn't it?

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Do you know how much...

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How impatient I am, Dick?

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Yes, I do know how impatient you are.

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I just want to give an indication of this.

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I would even find the act of having to

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put my iPhone on a tripod

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on my desk.

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Even that very act would drive me insane.

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If you were a social media influencer,

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you'd have one of those circular lights.

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They all have those.

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And the camera sits in the middle of

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and things like that.

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Do they?

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Yeah, they're all fully equipped, these kids.

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I mean, I'm happy to get a circle of lights

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with a camera in the middle.

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No, I don't think it works for the interview format.

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I think it's more for a piece to camera.

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But anyway...

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I can do pieces to cameras.

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Pieces to camera.

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But I prefer the conversation format.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's what you're...

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It's what I was born...

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It's what God made me for.

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Yes.

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It's interesting.

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That's falling off horses.

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That is the case.

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Yeah, falling off horses.

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If God...

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If God was still like making a...

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Making a song, he said,

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I shall now invent the peacock

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with his fine tail feathers.

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And I shall invent leviathan.

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See leviathan in his ocean lair.

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And I will make all this cool stuff in the world.

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And man shall delight in my creation.

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Now, let us create the characters, the individual characters.

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I am going to make Alexander the Great.

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And he will conquer many...

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I can see where this is going.

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Many nations.

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I will invent Dick.

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I will give him some splendid moustaches.

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And then...

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I need a podcaster.

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I need somebody who does digressive conversations.

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Who can that be?

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I know.

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Trigonometry.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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They all have great equipment.

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And fantastic backgrounds.

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I shall make the one that looks like something out of

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a Gerry Anderson animation.

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And I will make sure,

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even though he is supposedly a comedian,

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he will never say anything funny.

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Why is God talking like this?

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God is noisy.

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Well, and I am going to make...

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The one from the Ukrainian one,

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I shall make him shill for Israel

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and come up with all sorts of establishment bullshit.

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And people shall hate him.

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And great shall be the hate...

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They shall hate him like Moloch and Baal.

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Talking of godly language.

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You know some time ago,

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you gave me the Coverdale Salter.

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Yes.

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Okay, so...

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And you were saying,

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oh, you'll have great fun with that, Dick.

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And for ages, it just sat on my shelf.

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Now, I am just going to grab it now.

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Dick.

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Because it now lives in my icon corner,

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which is just over there.

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And so there it is.

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That makes me happy.

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Very simple cover.

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And even got the tunes,

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which I think is more pertinent to orthodoxy

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than I would have ever thought.

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But because when you're doing your prayers,

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you're chanting them.

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You're chanting out loud generally.

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You generally have to chant your psalms.

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But on the godly language bit,

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Coverdale is slightly more challenging

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than KJV, isn't it?

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It's that one step further to more archaic language.

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Like 50 years earlier.

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And how many years?

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About 50?

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Right.

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Early enough to notice a difference.

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And sometimes it is the words that trip you up.

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And I'm reading them out loud.

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The way I do it,

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I've got a morning prayer routine,

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which looks like this, okay?

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That bit is the creed.

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But this bit is prayers including repeated Lord have mercies

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and crossing yourself, various other things.

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So you're chanting the whole thing.

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Then you're saying the creed.

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And then as part of morning prayers, it's a psalm.

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Now I have been doing this.

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I've been going,

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right, today I'm going to go for something near the beginning.

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So I will do that.

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Okay, it's fallen on Psalm 10.

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And I'll check it briefly to check it's not 40 pages.

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And I haven't gone by 119 by mistake.

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Psalm 10, two pages, it's a good one.

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And I treat that as a way

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if God may be being able to deliver me a message

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in the form of the psalm.

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Okay, I'm just looking at this word.

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Whom God abhoreth.

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I mean, you don't see abhoreth anymore, do you?

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So you'll come to the words and you'll sort of,

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when you're saying them out loud,

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it's very different to just reading it to yourself.

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So it's very good practice for the whole Biblical speak type thing.

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And I have got to love the whole Coverdale language

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and just the words being used.

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Look up while you've got it there.

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So I don't have to go and get my copy.

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My copy, by the way, is I've used it so much.

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Very dogged, I'd have thought.

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It's dogged and the paper started to smell

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as it does when you keep touching paper again and again and again.

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Go to Psalm 104.

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Yep.

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And go to the end of it,

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the last page of Psalm 104.

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Gosh, it's a four-pager.

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And read the bit about Leviathan.

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I haven't encountered Leviathan.

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It's about a third of the way down.

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Oh, right.

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So is the great and wide sea also,

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where in are things creeping innumerable or like that?

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We've always felt that about the sea, haven't we?

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Swimming in it.

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There are things creeping innumerable,

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both small and great beasts.

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There go the ships and there is that Leviathan

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whom thou hast made to take his past time therein.

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I love the fact that Leviathan is taking his past time therein.

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Isn't it great?

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He's just doing stuff.

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He's doing Leviathan stuff.

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Just go to, okay, go to the,

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I think the second page is worth of it,

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about the lions.

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What, earlier on?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Actually, no, no, it's the third page of,

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it's at the bottom.

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There's going wild goats.

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It's got the store and it's darkness.

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The lions roaring after their prey

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do seek their meat from God.

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The sun arises and they get them away together

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and lay them down in their dens.

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Man goeth forth to his work

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and to his labor until the evening.

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Oh Lord, how manifold are thy works, et cetera, et cetera.

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I think Psalm 104 is one of the best ones

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and it's interesting.

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I'm saving up, when I was in Russia,

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we went to this monastery

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and I met Father Panteleimon,

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who I think is the arbiter of this monastery

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and I'm going to do,

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I don't know how good his English is

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but I'm going to do a Psalm with him

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and I asked him which Psalm he wants to do

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and I thought he'd said the different Psalm

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but when I checked with him the other day,

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he named this Psalm and I thought, yeah.

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Which number did he give?

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He gave a number that's one more than...

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Exactly, or one less.

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So I had to check with him what the Psalm was about

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and I was thinking, you're a real Psalm connoisseur, aren't you?

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Of course you would be.

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I mean, you think if you're a monk you've been...

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But I thought, good choice.

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Good choice, Panteleimon.

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I wanted to mention another thing to you about this.

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So I'm also reading the philicalia.

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You know what the philicalia is.

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I don't know what the philicalia is.

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The philicalia is when you become

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sort of even more of an ortho-bro than you are already.

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The philicalia is the kind of the teachings

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of the Desert Fathers, I think,

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from about the third century to about the eighth century.

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So there are various...

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There's philicalia I, philicalia II, III, IV, V.

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The later editions are from later on

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in the teachings of the Desert Fathers or whatever,

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or other monks and things.

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But this is the early...

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The ones who went out to the desert to live in caves and things

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and it's their wisdom and their teachings.

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When I was at Father...

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I mean, yeah, Abbott, Panteleimon's monastery,

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we were having dinner with the bishop and stuff like that

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and I was very conscious that the place was swarming

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with bloody mosquitoes, like Russia is.

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And I...

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And this was in the non-mosquito season.

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And I said to...

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When you're asking us any questions you like after dinner,

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I was like, well, what do you do about the mosquitoes?

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And Father Panteleimon said that he didn't bother him.

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And I was thinking, how can they not bother you

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when you're in mosquito-central?

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Anyway, I was reading through the philicalia

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and the monk was talking about how to pray

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and how to basically, when you're praying,

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what state of mind you need to be in to pray?

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You've got to be pure.

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You can't allow yourself to be distracted.

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You can't allow yourself to be too pleased with yourself.

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One mistake is to have polluting thoughts

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about food or sex or whatever.

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But another polluting thought is to think that you're being too good

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because that also is an error.

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And then you've got all the demons taking advantage

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of any...

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Chink in your armour.

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Any chink in your armour. The demons are right in there.

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But if you get it right, the angels are there to take charge of you

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and keep you in all your ways.

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Anyway, on this list of about 150 rules for praying,

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there was something like, do not get bothered by mosquitoes.

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So...

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I was lying in bed the other night.

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And I...

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Look what time of year it is.

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We're talking...

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It's not even March, is it? Or is it just gone March?

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Just gone March.

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But hardly mosquito time of year.

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And I could hear this whining.

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Or I thought I could hear this whining.

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And I thought that mosquito, if it isn't mosquito,

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could easily keep me awake all night.

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And then I thought...

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But if I were an orthodox monk in the desert,

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or actually there wouldn't have been a distinction between orthodox

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because they were just monks there.

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Just monks.

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If I had been the desert father,

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how would I treat that mosquito?

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And I thought, I know what I'm going to do.

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I'm going to say, thank you God for providing this mosquito

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to test me and to allow me to overcome this mosquito problem.

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So I'm going to...

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I prayed through it and I went to sleep.

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Brilliant. That is so ortho.

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Yeah.

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You're better at the ortho thing than me.

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And I know you're not going to necessarily make the leap

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because you're happy enough with your quite excellent local churches.

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And that's exactly the way it should be.

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They need me.

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But yeah, I agree.

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I mean, look, I think I'm not of a mind

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that I've got an awful lot to learn

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from the current church of England as it is.

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I mean, I've got stuff to learn from, I don't know,

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Crownmer and from Miles Coverdale

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and stuff, the people who sort of help make the church.

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And I don't know, George Herbert and stuff.

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But I don't think I'm really...

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I'm not going to be thinking, oh, I wonder what Welbys take is on this.

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I want...

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Said no one ever.

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I wonder what the New Archbishop, whatever her name is.

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This is the woman, the woman priest.

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Woman, Macwoman face.

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I'm sure she's going to...

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Probably I should learn to be more caring.

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I don't know.

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But I have got much to learn from Orthodox monks

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and from Catholic gurus and things.

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Well, I'm not that...

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I suppose technically they're not called gurus.

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But you know what I mean.

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I know exactly what you mean.

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And what was I saying?

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Yeah, so I just...

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This is why I'm interested.

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Actually, Tanya has been very good at this.

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I mean, Tanya is so fiercely intelligent and well-read.

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Tanya Edwards, like honorary dig, female dig.

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So she turns me on to all these different key texts.

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And the filicalia is...

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Although have you read the Way of the Pilgrim yet?

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No, I've got such a long reading list to come to.

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I was very grateful, though, for those two books

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you gave me at our last podcast live event.

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And I consumed them like drinking a long, cool drink.

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It was just...

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I didn't realise how quickly I was going to get through them.

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But they're absolutely brilliant and have now been...

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Well, I passed the one back to you, the Saint Paesios one.

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Yes.

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But the Russian one, I have lent to a really lovely young couple in my church

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who bulked a bit at the expense of how much it would have cost

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to get that book on Amazon.

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But I've lent it to him and he's really, really happy with it.

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And he's reporting back to me on the things that have really struck him as brilliant.

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But yeah, you've done God's work there in passing those books to me.

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So that was really good early reading.

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And just in case our listeners are wondering,

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that was Everyday Saints and other stories.

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What is it? Everyday Saints and other stories?

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Oh, I just call it Everyday Saints.

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It's the Russian one, basically.

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It's with the Russian Orthodox chaps.

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What I've worked out is that when you get sort of more advanced

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on your sort of Christian path,

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that God gives you less obvious rewards.

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Like, for example, he will allow you to have your, unfortunately,

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he won't protect you from having your finger broken when you're hunting.

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Have you found out to your cause?

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I thought, God, come on.

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I thought, I think you have my back.

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God, what is this?

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What is this?

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But, but what he does do,

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is he gives you the pleasure of hearing stories like that

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of just helping people, of just doing good things

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and virtue being its own reward and all that.

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I mean, I get this from Michelle, for example,

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who, Austria Michelle, who's, she says,

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look, I've had some more people who've come to me via you

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and I've helped them and their lives have been transformed

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and they've been healed

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and terrible things have happened to them

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and now they're better or they're on the way.

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And I say, well, that's you, Michelle.

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It's not me.

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She said, no, no, they wouldn't have come to me without you.

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And I think, well, that's nice of you.

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And I suppose it is.

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It's absolutely true.

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But you just take great joy in it.

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It's not something that we would have necessarily

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done 20 years ago.

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It would be, no, that's nice, but actually.

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No, we used to go around killing people.

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But that's the old us.

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Yeah, but we wouldn't have appreciated the ripple effect

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and the ripple effect is tremendously underrated

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unless you look for it.

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It's a bit like knowing the difference between

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a coincidence and God sending you a message.

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And obviously there's rather more less of the one

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and rather more of the other.

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That's true.

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I think the non-believers think it's all,

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oh, it's just a coincidence.

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And in fact, that's the phrase they've been given

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by the Godless.

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Oh, it's just a coincidence.

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When can I tell you about my hospital experiences?

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Let's launch into it now

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and true interrupt ourselves style.

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So you can see, Dick,

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that I'm a very sorry sight.

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Yes, I haven't shamed.

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And I only learned about this yesterday.

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Well, you're last to know, aren't you?

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But we've got the podcast now.

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You can learn now.

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Yeah, we can all learn together.

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So as you know,

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I broke my finger

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when I was hunting,

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which is obviously going to be my last hunt this year

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and possibly ever actually,

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if they ban it.

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And I did it on the next strap

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or maybe on the reins.

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The horse was a race horse

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and I had no brakes

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and he was pulling so hard that my finger broke

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or something happened anyway.

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Luckily I carried on hunting for two hours

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because I could so arrange my finger there.

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Did we cover the actual riding

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and the braking in our last chat

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or is that something we did last night?

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Maybe we did.

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Okay, so because that's the last I knew of it

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and the assumption was that your finger would heal.

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So I thought,

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so I went into hospital and it looked at

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and they said, oh, yes, well,

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it might need a pin.

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And I thought, I don't want to pin

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because that will involve surgery

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and I've already got enough metal in me

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and I don't like having metal in me.

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I wish I'd never had it put in.

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And I said to them, well, is there any way round this?

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And they said, well, let's take a view.

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Let's have a look at it anyway.

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So I had a look at the X-ray

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and this is the consultant, not me.

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I was already to have the pin put in reluctantly

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and then another consultant

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breezed past as they probably do in hospitals

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and sort of glanced at my thing and said, ah, no,

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he said that'll probably heal.

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Put a splint on it and it'll be fine.

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So I left it for three weeks or whatever,

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four weeks and went in for my checkup

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and like four weeks it should be starting to knit

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and everything.

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It should be like you're well on the way to recovery.

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It takes six weeks normally.

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I went in and the doctors said the thing

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you don't want to hear.

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They said, and they looked at the show me the X-ray.

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This is the one before and this is you

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and that was bad enough and this is you now

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and I could see that the break had gone from

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sort of there to there

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and there was no joiny stuff.

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It's best when your bones join up.

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And I said, well, isn't that a bit worrying

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because aren't the bones like isn't it

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isn't it just a song about them all being connected?

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Isn't it time sensitive?

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And they said, well, yes, you did.

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You really do need to sort of emergency

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surgery.

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That's never two words you want to hear together.

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No, I know.

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So they will try and get you into Mr.

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So-and-so's clinic in two days time.

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Oh, no.

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It looks like the lists are all full.

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We'll try and see if orthopedic have got anything.

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I said, are they as good?

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And they, oh, they're just as good.

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But they hadn't got anything either.

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So I was waiting anxiously.

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And anyway, yesterday, I...

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They told me to drive in.

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I'm sorry.

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They didn't tell me to drive in.

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They told me to arrive there by 7.30 in the morning.

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I suppose because of anesthetics and stuff.

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And I was quite gung-ho about it all and quite blasé.

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I thought, well, they've told me that I won't be able to drive home.

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And I thought, I'll stop that because I'm going to be able to drive home.

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I'm me.

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I can drive home.

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I'm not going to get the wife to have to come all the way to this hospital to take me home.

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So they said, in the morning, this is a rare moment I lie.

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They said, and who's coming to pick you up?

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And I said, oh, my wife will come and pick me up.

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I said, thinking, oh, gosh, no, I'm not going to do that.

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And then the anesthetist comes to see me and he says,

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are you going to have your finger frozen or your whole arm?

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I said, I don't know.

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I haven't seen the consultant.

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And so the surgeon or whatever, they said, well, we'll wait and see.

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And then he came and said, we're doing your arm.

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We're going to block your arm, which means that they freeze the whole of your arm.

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And he said, you're not going to be able to drive home.

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I thought, yeah, OK, I'm not going to be able to drive home.

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And then anyway, then I go into the, in my imagination, before this happened,

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I thought it was going to be like me, a nurse and the surgeon with a, you know,

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like in a room, just on a little table.

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Exactly.

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And there you are off you go.

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No.

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It was the full operating thing, the anesthetic beforehand.

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And they, they, they went with a camera into the veins underneath my armpit.

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And I suddenly went as they triggered some nerve cluster.

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And my arm starting to hurt just thinking about it.

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Anesthetic department.

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There were five people, a team of five people in there, all looking around.

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And I could only distract them myself by talking to them about conspiracy stuff.

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They said, well, well, what do you do?

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And I said, well, I do podcasts.

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I do, I do conspiracy podcasts.

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Oh, is it successful?

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I said, well, it would be a lot more successful if my numbers weren't limited by the

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powers that beeps.

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They don't want this stuff getting out.

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Oh, what's your favorite conspiracy?

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Well, where do you want to start?

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Say, well, what happened to Diana?

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Well, she was murdered on the orders of the Duke of Edinburgh in the tunnels

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because that was a Merovingian burial, Merovingian 2.

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And what about Madeline McCann?

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I said, well, there are two theories on Madeline McCann.

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Either she didn't actually die and was just invented to push the whole child tracking

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devices and general populist paranoia and stuff.

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Or she was part of a sort of child sex abuse ring.

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And how do I avoid paying my taxes?

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Ah, yes, that's a really tricky one.

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I know what you mean.

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And this one of the anesthetists was completely awake or was on the,

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I don't want to pay my council tax to be spent on pedophiles and missiles.

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She was on that.

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So they were, I didn't do why the NHS is evil.

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But I'd done that earlier to the Cameroonian nurse in the waiting room.

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I said, you know, I don't mind hospitals for breakages and things like this.

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But I said, I really wouldn't.

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If I had cancer, I said, I wouldn't come and sit in your cancer treatment place

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and be injected by chemo.

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And she said, oh, why not?

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I said, because, well, let me tell you the history of Rockefeller medicine.

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So I told her the history of Rockefeller medicine.

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And I said, and the vaccines, I mean, they're death jabs.

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You know that, don't you?

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And she said, well, we had to take the vaccine.

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She said, I didn't want to.

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I said, yeah, well, that's exactly it.

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You didn't, did you?

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She said, no.

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She said, they told us that we'd lose our jobs if we didn't take the vaccine.

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And I was very upset about it.

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This is a Cameroonian nurse.

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She wasn't stupid.

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And she complained about how her son had taken the vaccine to go traveling and stuff.

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So it's quite interesting.

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They have a sort of, they know what's going on.

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But at the same time, they're part of the kill machine system.

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Yeah, but you've got to have a little bit of sympathy for the fact that the way they were trained was to be bombarded with information,

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all of which they had to take on board without questioning it.

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They're not taught to question things, are they?

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It's very weird being awake and going to, I mean, this is a very decent teaching hospital, by the way.

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I'll tell you about that in a moment.

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If you're awake and you go into one of these institutions, you have very mixed feelings.

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On the one hand, I was really very impressed by the professionalism of the whole team looking after me.

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And the nurses were great and the surgeon was great and the treatment was top-notch.

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At the same time, you know that hospitals exist and TV propaganda like scrubs exist basically to feed fodder into the kill machine.

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And they are part of the culling mechanism, very important part of the culling mechanism.

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So it's weird being in this kind of channel house of cabal death,

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while at the same time being somewhere which is actually going to save your ass, or in this case my fingertip,

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because some stuff does work.

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Yeah, but isn't that just like a sort of analogy for the life that we're all living anyway?

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We're all living in enemy territory and we're in the middle of a war whether we acknowledge it or not.

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And we're having to play by their rules to a certain extent.

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But we're like resistance within occupied France.

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It's not a life of living among people who have our best interests at heart,

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or the system that wants to keep us alive.

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So our lives are like that every day.

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It's just that when you go into a hospital you're further into the belly of the beast.

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Yes, so although the Germans are technically our enemy most of the time,

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they can be useful to us if we want to steal their rifles, or their Bratwurst.

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Or there might be a few of them that are sympathetic to the resistance.

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They might provide us with passport, or there might be some fit German secretaries that we want to have affairs.

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I don't know.

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Yes, I'm just trying to go with you.

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You never thought this one.

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No.

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So I then get into the operating area where my arm is.

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It is so weird, Dick.

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It is like having...

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It's as if Burke and Heav have arrived and they've attached one of their corpses' arms to where my arm used to be.

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And there's this sort of heavy thing that just...

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And they put up this sheet over me so I can't see what's going on.

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And I can hear their commentary.

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And surgeons, I mean even with sort of minor operations like this,

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they're kind of doing it on a wing and a prayer.

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So they say, look, we might have to go in with a knife and really it'd be a bit messy.

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But did they not go in with a knife?

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No, they didn't.

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What they did was, first of all, they squeezed the bone.

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They put your hand underneath an x-ray and they manipulate the bone back into place.

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And then they get a drill and they drill this titanium wire through the tip of your finger,

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through the bone to...

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Yeah, I know.

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And you can hear this.

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But you can't feel anything.

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It could be happening to somebody else.

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But you hear the commentary.

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And yeah, exactly.

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And the...

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Global warming is a massive con.

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There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem

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that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle

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in order to deal with it.

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It's a non-existent problem.

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But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?

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Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Water Melons,

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which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent

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the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms,

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to take away your land.

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It's a shocking story.

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I wrote it, as I say, in...

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Well, 2011 actually, the first edition came out.

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And it's a snapshot of a particular era.

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The era when the people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed,

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tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed

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in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate.

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So I give you the background to the sculled jugglery that went on

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in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us

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that we've got to act now.

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I rumbled their scan.

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I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan, who's doing this and why?

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It's a good story.

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I've kept the original book pretty much as is,

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but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning

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and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.

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I think it still stands up.

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I think it's a good read.

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Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.

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You can buy it from JamesDellingPoll.co.uk forward slash shop.

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You'll probably find that.

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Just go to my website and look for it, JamesDellingPoll.co.uk.

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And I hope it helps keep you informed

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and gives you the material you need to bring round

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and all those people who are still persuaded that,

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oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways

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and appease the gods, appease Mother Earth.

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Every day, it's a scan.

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An x-ray, and they manipulate the bone back into place

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and then they get a drill and they drill this titanium wire

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through the tip of your finger, through the bone to, yeah, I know.

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And you can hear this.

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But you can't feel anything.

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It could be happening to somebody else.

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But you hear the commentary.

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And, yeah, exactly.

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And it was clear to me that although I clearly had a top consultant,

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he was training somebody else to do it.

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And I was thinking, I don't want to train you.

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But at the same time, A, it's a teaching hospital.

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So that's what you get in teaching hospitals.

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And B, and you only get the best.

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But B, I was thinking, well, actually, they've got to learn somehow

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and how are they going to learn if they're not doing it?

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Very public spirited, aren't they?

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Yeah, but I think we do kind of think that a bit.

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A bit.

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And anyway, luckily, the person who was being trained.

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Was this like, you've done one of these before?

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No. Do you want to have a go?

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Yeah, why not?

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What's the worst that could happen?

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Yeah, exactly.

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But the good thing was they didn't have to go in with a knife.

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And...

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Oh, there was a point where...

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Oh, the worst bit, actually, was where the anaesthetics,

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because they have a cannula in your other arm.

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So that they can, if anything goes wrong,

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or they can pump, you know,

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and block you out straight away.

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Pumping through the knee straight away, exactly.

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Get the medazolam.

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Medazolam.

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Quickly, nurse.

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What medazolam?

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They didn't say that.

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Oh, I think you need ventilating.

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Words you don't want to hear.

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And they said, by the way, we've just put in

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three years worth of COVID shots,

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because we noticed from your notes.

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We noticed it was very lacking on your notes.

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We've given you all three varieties

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just to cover up all the patients.

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Yeah, the micron, they...

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Is that all right?

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Oh, do you not see that was what...

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That formulae sign, the consent formulae.

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No, they did put in some antibiotics,

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which I was not happy with.

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And I tried to resist.

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I said, oh, no, I don't want those, thanks.

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And the surgeon said, you jolly well are,

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because we don't want you to get sepsis.

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Oh, right.

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And I was thinking...

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Oh, we're doctor now, are we?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And the thing is when you're in that situation,

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when you're kind of on an operating table

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and you've got all this team around you,

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you're much more vulnerable to suggestions

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and things than you are.

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Well, you're outnumbered for a start, aren't you?

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I was heavily outnumbered.

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I was heavily outnumbered.

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They were asking me questions about horses

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and about the cost of hiring horses.

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I didn't tell them I was actually done it.

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I didn't tell them the exact circumstances in which...

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Foxes weren't mentioned.

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No, I just thought...

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Best not to.

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Somebody, some complete twat of it.

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I did a podcast with Germ Warfare the other day.

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Yeah.

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And I think we were talking about hunting and stuff.

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And Germ was asking me about it.

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And there was some creature on Facebook saying,

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how can you participate in this...

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How can you talk so favourably about this barbaric sport?

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Or barbaric blood sport, whatever.

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I am not going to listen to either of your podcasts ever again.

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And I was thinking,

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Madam, I would like to refer you to my article,

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The world is run by Satanists

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and you're worried about fox hunting.

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Actually, I don't get annoyed by idiots much

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because if you did that, you'd get annoyed all the time.

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But for anyone who claims to be awake,

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anyone who knows what's going on in the world,

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the world is run by Satanists

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who sacrifice children to Satan literally

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and drink their blood and harvest their adrenochrome

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and cause wars that result in the deaths of millions of people

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because it's past their business model.

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And you're thinking,

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yeah, but my job is to make sure

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that people who live in the country

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can't enjoy a pursuit

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that is a combination of controlling a pest

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in the kindest way,

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better than shooting them all, which is alternative,

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and which binds communities

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and which provides money to people

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and gives pleasure to people.

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Not bloodlust pleasure,

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but just the joy of being outdoors

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and the joy of wearing nice clothes

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and the joy of doing exciting dangerous things on horses

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and the joy of working with hounds

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and working with animals.

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And you're sitting there thinking,

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I want to stop this

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because I don't know anything about it

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and it makes me angry

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and it's far, far worse

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than Satan is running the world.

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No, it's not, madam, miss,

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whatever you are,

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whatever gender you decided you are,

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it really isn't.

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Anyway, that made me cross.

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People do get animated about...

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Yeah, seriously.

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I suppose the other thing is,

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I'm thinking,

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I'm not listening to reasoned argument there.

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What I'm listening to is somebody who's been programmed

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by the animal rights lobby,

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which in turn was programmed and funded by Satanists.

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That's the thing.

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The Satanists fund the animal rights lobby

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and you're thinking that you're being autonomous here

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and that these thoughts you've reached yourself

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and because you care about,

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you don't know anything about it

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and yet you are judging.

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Yeah, so there.

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Anyway, so I've been...

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It's horrible having a cast on.

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It's horrible.

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So hang on, finish up there.

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How did you get home in the end?

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Did you get collected?

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Well, there was no way I was going to drive home.

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It was absolute...

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What have we got?

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Does Jason have one arm?

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No.

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He was just paraplegic, isn't he?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, apparently that's the one.

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Just paraplegic, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I have great respect to people with physical disabilities

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who are yet able to operate cars and things.

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Because I tell you, you need both arms.

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In a normal car, you need both arms, really.

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So there was a complicated swapping of cars

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and towing and throwing after that, then, presumably.

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And then I tried to sleep last night,

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avoiding painkillers, because I don't like...

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You were straight out of hospital.

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You weren't overnight or...

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No, no, no, straight out of hospital.

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So I came home.

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She got driven by my wife.

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I don't like ibuprofen, because it...

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So it produces all these kind of gastric juices, I find.

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It makes you all sort of feel horrible.

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And...

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Paracetamol damages your liver, doesn't it?

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So I was thinking, I know, I'm going to try and...

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I'm going to try and tough it out.

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Tuck it out.

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I did try and tuck it out.

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And I...

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Went to sleep fine,

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but then I got woken up by a nightmare

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in which my hand was burning with pain.

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And I woke up to find it was, indeed, burning with pain.

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Right.

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And...

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Because it was starting to come back with feeling.

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Yeah.

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And I tell you what it...

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Yeah, exactly.

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I tell you what it feels like.

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It feels exactly as you would expect it to feel

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if someone were to drive a titanium wire.

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Wire through the tip of your finger.

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To the beginning of the next joint.

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That's how it feels.

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And it's there all the time.

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And...

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But it's no worse than that.

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It is just as bad as that, but no worse.

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And you've got a metal hook protruding from the end of your finger.

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Yes.

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There's a hook.

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I can always show you.

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If I...

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Oh!

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Oh!

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That's the shittest Abu Hamza I've ever seen.

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It's shit.

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You need to have a finger attached to it.

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Oh!

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I can't see any finger now.

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I've only got your word that's coming out of the tip of your finger.

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It is.

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Oh, shit!

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I'm pound shop Abu Hamza.

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Credit to Ivo for that joke.

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Of course, he put it on the family group chat.

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I think...

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A picture of a forementioned cleric.

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Ivo is shit at most things,

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but one thing he's good at is just taking the piss.

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It's all he does, though.

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It's a full-time job for him.

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It's all he does.

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It's all he does.

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Every single conversation.

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He's like a monstrous version of you.

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Yeah.

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He is.

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I'm Frankenstein, and he's my monster.

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Yeah, and be careful what you wish for,

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because you've got the sun that you would have designed on paper.

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You'd have written down something like,

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just like me, but even funnier.

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And there he is.

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Well, he's the reason that I'm doing this.

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I'm trying to learn Russian again.

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I mean, I tried on Duolingo and gave up,

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because it's so hard.

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And those letters, I mean, they're a real pain,

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and they do things like they have lots of vowels together.

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It's very hard for us to get used to that.

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No, lots of consonants together.

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I was going to say, it wouldn't be as bad as having lots of consonants together.

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No, loads and loads of consonants that you have to grapple with.

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And yet, there's this sort of noises that we,

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sounds that we don't really make.

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Oh, the rolling of the rolled R, which I've never been able to do.

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Yeah, I've never been able to do that.

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Never been able to roll an R.

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Having had a mild list for my life,

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I'm kind of like, forget about it

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when it comes to actually rolling an R.

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So, almost the anti-lisp.

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So, you think, okay, but I can deal with this.

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I can somehow manage the roll,

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all the consonants and the rolled R's and the weird alphabet.

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And you think, I'll get past.

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And then you discover how heavily inflicted Russian is.

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I mean, the grammar is, I thought German was bad.

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It's just...

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What do you mean by how heavily inflicted?

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Well, it's got masculine...

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It's like Latin, it's got masculine feminine neuter

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and it's the adjective endings change

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according to what gender it is and...

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There's even...

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There's different types of words for and

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depending on the kind of connection that is being made.

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They're always complicated.

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And you think, hang on a second.

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I love Russia and I love the Russians

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and their literature, what I've read in translation.

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But, surely this language, which was basically a peasant language

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until it was sort of discovered by the aristocracy

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in the 19th century.

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Before that, they all spoke French.

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But this language, why is it so complicated?

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Why?

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Dostoevsky was writing in the same Russian that you were...

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In Russian Polish.

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Did he?

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What?

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Don't do that to me.

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Yeah, he read in Russian.

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Yeah, well that's the thing.

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I mean, they'd all been brought up by their nannies

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who were probably English

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and their parents spoke to them in French

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and then suddenly they discovered the Russian language

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and they created all this great literature.

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They were quite an achievement.

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Right, yeah.

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Blimey.

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Have you thought of doing Ancient Greek instead?

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I have.

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Don't think I have not.

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One of the things I've been struck by

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is how much I want to learn.

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Ancient Greek, obviously, to read the New Testament

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in, you know, final, yeah.

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And the Septuagint.

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And Italian to speak in Italy

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and Spanish to speak in Spain.

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Yeah, you know what?

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We need our time all over again.

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Yes, we do.

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There's so many things I do differently.

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I know every old person gets to this stage

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where you realise that you've wasted certain aspects of your life.

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And for me, it won't be that I didn't have enough sex.

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I think it's going to be that I've wasted my time

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of learning by only reluctantly learning.

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I mean, even my art college days,

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I thought I was getting a lot from it.

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But I saw the other day someone on Substack

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had put something about this young iconographer

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who studied under Aidan Hart.

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And his stuff is beautiful and brilliant

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and he doesn't just do writing of icons.

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He does stone carving and wood carving

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and all of the stuff that Aidan does.

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And he studied, I think, at the Royal College.

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And I'm thinking if I'd already got into

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the whole God thing at an earlier age,

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I'd have flung myself into my five years of university

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with a foundation degree and MA.

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I'd have wanted to get into iconography then.

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I'd have had a real purpose.

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I'd have had drive.

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I'd have wanted to use all of those years

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to actually learn rather than just treating them

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as a great time to drink coffees in cafes,

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look moody, wear different hats and shag women.

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It's kind of like...

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Not that that was wasted time,

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but I could have used my time so much better.

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And now I could be the country's leading iconographer

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and stone carver and all sorts.

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Just imagine if God was suddenly to intervene now

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and say, I shall give you your wish, Dick.

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I shall take away all those shags.

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As if they have never been.

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See how much better you feel.

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It is true.

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I'm not sitting here thinking

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if only I'd had more...

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Actually, I don't know about that.

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I don't know whether I'm necessarily thinking that.

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It's not the overriding regret.

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It's not the overriding thing.

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I do wish that I'd learned more languages earlier

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and travelled more,

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because I think you need to be able to get to practice that.

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I wish I'd spent time living in Russia.

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I wouldn't have minded time somewhere in the Arab world

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learning Arabic, say.

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All of these things.

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I would love to have a musical skill,

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to have carried on with the piano or something,

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to be able to sing.

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I'd have taken up bell ringing earlier.

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I've joined a choir.

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Have you?

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What are you?

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A bass.

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Are you?

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And I want to be doing the chanting in the services.

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That's kind of late fulfilment of a long-standing ambition,

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because of course I was in the school choir prep school.

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Do you have to go to choir practice or what?

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Yeah.

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I think there is only once a month,

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and it's after divine liturgy.

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No, after typica.

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The service that we do without a priest.

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It's difficult because you're supposed to be able to read music to do it.

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And of course you've got the four different parts.

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And the poor choir mistress is trying to get everyone to do their particular part.

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And I can't sight read singing.

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No.

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It's going to be difficult to do.

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So what I've actually done is I've worked out what it is on my bass guitar.

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I've brought the sheet music home and I've worked out what it is.

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So I'll be able to play it on my bass and then learn it and sing it.

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A bit of a convoluted way.

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But there's a particular hymn that we do,

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and for us hymns sound like chants.

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And when it works, it's going to be beautiful.

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And it's quite easy.

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But that whole singing in parts, in harmony,

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is I think what makes orthodox music so appealing.

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It's a goosebumps time.

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The hairs on the back of your arms are standing out.

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Have you thought?

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Beautiful.

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But possibly having a few singing lessons.

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Because that would help you with reading the music, maybe.

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Possibly.

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But I think I'd rather stick with being in the choir

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and kind of learning stuff from memory.

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There's things I'd rather be doing with my time.

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Yes.

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I just think that it would give employer to a singing teacher.

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But do you know what I mean?

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I think worthwhile skills are...

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Yeah, I agree.

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Paying for.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I can sort of read music.

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You can look at a note and work out what it is.

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And don't forget, I'll be reading off the bass clef.

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So it's not every good bird does fly.

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No, it's F-A-C-E.

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Isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Oh, is it?

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No, it's not.

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No, it's not.

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No, it's the other one.

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F-A-C-E is also.

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F-A-C-E, and every good bird does fly.

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Or every good boy deserves food.

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But it's slightly different.

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Great big dogs eat grass.

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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All cows eat grass.

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All cows eat grass?

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Yeah.

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Why would great big dogs eat grass?

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They wouldn't.

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All cows eat grass.

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But interestingly, they're all technically notes, aren't they?

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It's not like you've gone with a letter K or something.

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See, I'm no fool.

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Great big dogs.

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Great big dogs eat grass.

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They don't eat grass.

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I have been reading Bruce Robinson's book on Jack the Ripper.

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All right.

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Called They All Love.

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You know Bruce, don't you?

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They all love Jack.

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Yeah, I do.

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Well, I mean, I say know him.

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I mean, I hung out with him once.

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Well, I went to his house in Herefordshire many, many years ago.

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Herefordshire?

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Whereabouts was he?

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Can't remember.

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Somewhere.

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Right.

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Remote.

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Well, Herefordshire is.

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I think it was.

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Hereford is remote.

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I think it, I think when...

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With Nell and I was...

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With Nell and I was re-released or something.

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Well, there was some sort of anniversary.

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In fact, it was.

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It was the anniversary edition of the screenplay.

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Oh, and it came out as a special edition book.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And so I went to see him.

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But anyway, he's written...

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It's a big, big book.

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Boy discovered it for me.

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And it's like 800 or 900 pages.

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And he does go on a bit.

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I mean, he has become totally obsessed.

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But what I did learn was that...

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I had John Hamer on the pod talking about Jack the Ripper.

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And he told me what he'd read from another author

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who claimed that, yes, it was a bunch of freemasons

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from the Royal Lodge who'd assassinated a series of women

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because to hide the fact that the Duke of whatever,

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the King's son, had impregnated this woman

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and this couldn't be allowed, you know, the bastard child

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and something to do with Walter Sickert, the painter.

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Anyway, it's clear reading Robinson's account

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that this is not the case.

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This was just under...

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What you realise is that the reason

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that there are so many conflicting stories about Jack the Ripper

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is because they don't want you to know the truth.

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And the reason they don't want you to know the truth

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is that it was committed by a freemason

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and covered up by freemasons

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because the police were all...

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All the senior police were freemasons in those days,

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probably still are, and the man who did it

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was a freemason in the Royal Lodge.

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And his name was Michael Maybrick.

01:00:01.740 --> 01:00:02.760
And he was...

01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.900
This is extraordinary.

01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:10.140
He was the most successful singer-songwriter of the era.

01:00:10.220 --> 01:00:11.560
He was bigger than Gilbert and Sullivan

01:00:11.560 --> 01:00:13.240
and he made an absolute fortune.

01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:16.400
I mean, the sheet music from his songs

01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:19.900
enabled him to have a string of properties.

01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:20.880
Fantastic.

01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:24.220
It was all about the sheet music back then, wasn't it?

01:00:24.260 --> 01:00:25.500
Obviously, you couldn't buy records.

01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:27.740
He was also a concert singer.

01:00:28.020 --> 01:00:30.120
He was also in the Artist's Rifles,

01:00:30.240 --> 01:00:34.100
which was this sort of fancy regiment

01:00:34.100 --> 01:00:38.440
for composers or musicians, painters.

01:00:38.660 --> 01:00:40.340
I thought the Artist's Rifles was formed in the First World War.

01:00:40.340 --> 01:00:43.780
The Artist's Rifles later became the Territorial SS, I think.

01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:44.420
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:44.600 --> 01:00:45.160
21...

01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.360
21 SS, I think, became the Artist's Rifles.

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But at the time,

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it was just a kind of boutique...

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boutique military unit for artsy, for artsy types.

01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:02.740
I mean, Alma Tudema was one of them.

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All the painters of that era, you name them,

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they were all in this particular unit

01:01:10.740 --> 01:01:13.000
with its fancy clubhouse and stuff.

01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:14.760
Was it an actual army unit?

01:01:16.640 --> 01:01:17.940
Or was it like a militia?

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Well, the volunteer regiments were quite a thing, yeah.

01:01:23.160 --> 01:01:24.300
Like yeomans.

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I don't know whether they saw any action.

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We can maybe have a look.

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You can Google it now.

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What year was it all?

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1880s.

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Right.

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You got your...

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Yeah.

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It immediately comes up when you do Artist's Rifles.

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It says 21 SS reserve.

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But it was...

01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:02.150
Can you not tell you about the history of it?

01:02:02.570 --> 01:02:02.730
Yeah.

01:02:04.570 --> 01:02:08.350
2nd of November 2019 marked the 30th anniversary.

01:02:08.550 --> 01:02:08.670
No.

01:02:09.490 --> 01:02:11.130
I'm just saying it's the anniversary there.

01:02:11.470 --> 01:02:16.130
Right, it's got a picture of them in 1860...

01:02:16.650 --> 01:02:17.370
No.

01:02:18.350 --> 01:02:19.710
In 1884.

01:02:19.710 --> 01:02:21.250
And they're in...

01:02:21.250 --> 01:02:24.710
They're all in grey with policeman-style helmets.

01:02:25.250 --> 01:02:25.530
All right.

01:02:26.750 --> 01:02:30.070
Is it named who the commanding officer is?

01:02:31.450 --> 01:02:32.850
Officer commanding.

01:02:33.510 --> 01:02:36.570
The Artist's Rifles Regiment was formed in 1859

01:02:36.570 --> 01:02:38.990
by art student Edward Starling.

01:02:39.170 --> 01:02:40.670
Interesting, Starling Sterling.

01:02:41.370 --> 01:02:42.090
Starling.

01:02:42.570 --> 01:02:45.010
It was a volunteer regiment and formed out

01:02:45.010 --> 01:02:47.270
of the widespread fear of a French invasion.

01:02:47.270 --> 01:02:49.250
Many of those who joined were artists,

01:02:49.570 --> 01:02:51.070
actors, musicians and architects.

01:02:51.630 --> 01:02:53.290
And his first headquarters was located

01:02:53.290 --> 01:02:54.410
at Burlington House.

01:02:54.970 --> 01:02:56.790
Its first commanders were the painters

01:02:56.790 --> 01:03:00.130
Henry Wyndham, Phillips and Frederick Layton.

01:03:00.490 --> 01:03:00.870
There you go.

01:03:03.610 --> 01:03:05.410
Creativity and beauty were at the core

01:03:05.410 --> 01:03:06.490
of the Artist's Rifles.

01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:08.910
This may seem an odd combination for an army regiment,

01:03:09.350 --> 01:03:10.870
but one can see both qualities

01:03:10.870 --> 01:03:12.790
even in the regimental cap badge.

01:03:13.370 --> 01:03:15.290
Which this shows is very fancy.

01:03:15.290 --> 01:03:17.890
Yeah, a good rabbit hole there.

01:03:18.330 --> 01:03:19.390
Yeah, interesting.

01:03:19.770 --> 01:03:20.810
So this guy...

01:03:20.810 --> 01:03:22.130
He could want to re-enact.

01:03:22.470 --> 01:03:23.710
He was gay, probably.

01:03:25.070 --> 01:03:27.050
Hence the kind of misogyny

01:03:27.050 --> 01:03:29.070
and the killings,

01:03:29.390 --> 01:03:31.450
the horrible things that he did to his victim.

01:03:31.830 --> 01:03:33.430
But he killed them in

01:03:33.430 --> 01:03:35.790
Masonic ritual style.

01:03:37.130 --> 01:03:40.710
And the Masonic code at the time

01:03:40.710 --> 01:03:42.470
probably still is, I don't know.

01:03:42.470 --> 01:03:45.610
Probably certainly, I've thought at the higher degrees,

01:03:46.030 --> 01:03:47.050
is that

01:03:47.050 --> 01:03:49.590
even if one of your brothers

01:03:49.590 --> 01:03:51.430
is a murderer

01:03:51.430 --> 01:03:53.550
or a guilty of treason,

01:03:54.270 --> 01:03:56.370
your duty is to him as a Mason.

01:03:57.230 --> 01:03:58.370
You can't...

01:03:58.370 --> 01:03:59.890
You can't betray him.

01:04:00.730 --> 01:04:02.310
So there was the...

01:04:02.310 --> 01:04:03.950
There was the ripper,

01:04:04.370 --> 01:04:05.970
aka Maybrick,

01:04:06.990 --> 01:04:09.210
killing all these women in horrible fashions

01:04:09.210 --> 01:04:11.370
and sending these taunting letters

01:04:11.370 --> 01:04:13.050
with these Masonic clues,

01:04:13.270 --> 01:04:15.590
free Masonic clues in the...

01:04:15.590 --> 01:04:17.910
All these kind of codes and stuff.

01:04:18.130 --> 01:04:18.510
There was...

01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:22.090
There was one of the early killings

01:04:22.090 --> 01:04:23.230
he painted on the walls.

01:04:25.550 --> 01:04:26.790
The word...

01:04:26.790 --> 01:04:29.110
Some slogan with the word Jews in it.

01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:30.410
But Jews was spelt

01:04:31.120 --> 01:04:33.490
J-U-W-E-S.

01:04:34.190 --> 01:04:35.370
And this was...

01:04:35.370 --> 01:04:37.090
The police pretended that this was a...

01:04:37.090 --> 01:04:39.130
He was illiterate. He couldn't spell Jews properly.

01:04:39.130 --> 01:04:40.550
But it wasn't that. It was a...

01:04:41.590 --> 01:04:43.250
It was a reference to

01:04:43.250 --> 01:04:44.930
three characters from

01:04:45.650 --> 01:04:46.930
Masonic folklore.

01:04:47.410 --> 01:04:49.450
Something like Jubilo, Jubilee and Jubilar

01:04:49.450 --> 01:04:49.850
or something.

01:04:50.850 --> 01:04:52.410
Who were these three characters.

01:04:53.490 --> 01:04:54.130
And...

01:04:54.130 --> 01:04:56.810
So the way he cut the women up

01:04:56.810 --> 01:04:59.090
were sort of like

01:04:59.090 --> 01:05:01.190
a real-life enactment

01:05:01.190 --> 01:05:03.490
of Masonic threats and rituals and things.

01:05:04.150 --> 01:05:04.450
And

01:05:05.130 --> 01:05:06.050
the police,

01:05:06.050 --> 01:05:08.310
the guy in charge,

01:05:08.490 --> 01:05:09.390
felt on a bound

01:05:09.390 --> 01:05:11.650
as a Mason not to be able to...

01:05:11.650 --> 01:05:14.050
Not to follow these leads

01:05:14.050 --> 01:05:14.650
successfully.

01:05:15.350 --> 01:05:16.590
So any other

01:05:16.590 --> 01:05:19.350
red herring was encouraged.

01:05:19.790 --> 01:05:20.310
Yeah, exactly.

01:05:21.010 --> 01:05:23.070
So a lot of the people he've written about

01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:25.550
the field of ripporology

01:05:25.550 --> 01:05:27.830
is full of free Masons

01:05:27.830 --> 01:05:29.590
covering up for their bros.

01:05:30.110 --> 01:05:30.330
Right.

01:05:32.230 --> 01:05:32.970
Interesting.

01:05:32.970 --> 01:05:34.550
Yeah. Say well out of it, Dick.

01:05:35.330 --> 01:05:35.510
Hmm.

01:05:39.770 --> 01:05:41.050
So, um...

01:05:41.050 --> 01:05:43.010
Is this book out now?

01:05:43.290 --> 01:05:45.090
It came out a while ago.

01:05:45.470 --> 01:05:46.730
It's very interesting

01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:48.470
how quickly books die.

01:05:50.230 --> 01:05:50.870
Um...

01:05:50.870 --> 01:05:52.230
There's a...

01:05:53.770 --> 01:05:55.290
There's a quarterly magazine

01:05:55.290 --> 01:05:57.070
I get called Slightly Foxed

01:05:57.070 --> 01:05:58.930
which just consists

01:05:58.930 --> 01:06:00.870
of these delightful essays written by

01:06:00.870 --> 01:06:02.890
book lovers of

01:06:03.610 --> 01:06:05.030
books that they've

01:06:05.030 --> 01:06:06.790
enjoyed from the past.

01:06:08.110 --> 01:06:08.630
Um...

01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:10.110
And so many of them are out of print.

01:06:10.410 --> 01:06:12.870
Even books from the 90s

01:06:12.870 --> 01:06:14.230
say that were

01:06:14.770 --> 01:06:16.250
probably quite well reviewed at the time,

01:06:16.310 --> 01:06:17.750
but they just disappear.

01:06:18.210 --> 01:06:20.750
The book trade is designed to push

01:06:20.750 --> 01:06:22.390
stuff in volume.

01:06:22.890 --> 01:06:24.150
Well, to push stuff I think

01:06:24.770 --> 01:06:25.030
that

01:06:27.210 --> 01:06:28.730
serves a particular agenda

01:06:28.730 --> 01:06:30.950
often, I think.

01:06:31.370 --> 01:06:32.250
I mean, things like...

01:06:32.250 --> 01:06:33.130
Well, they're going to be doing

01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:36.810
surely books are almost something that they will regret

01:06:36.810 --> 01:06:37.370
because

01:06:37.370 --> 01:06:39.670
once you've got a book, that's it.

01:06:39.810 --> 01:06:42.350
The facts, or as they're laid down at the time

01:06:42.350 --> 01:06:44.430
are there with you. So you buy the books

01:06:44.430 --> 01:06:45.410
and they're there forever.

01:06:45.930 --> 01:06:47.550
No. They can't change them.

01:06:47.630 --> 01:06:48.990
That is the interesting thing.

01:06:49.290 --> 01:06:52.530
They are very, very good at...

01:06:52.530 --> 01:06:53.290
I mean

01:06:53.290 --> 01:06:56.350
the Illuminati and Illuminati

01:06:56.350 --> 01:06:57.090
adjacent people.

01:06:58.590 --> 01:06:59.650
They've got the second...

01:06:59.650 --> 01:07:01.430
They're very interested in the second-hand book trade.

01:07:01.670 --> 01:07:03.230
I mean, they've got all the...

01:07:03.230 --> 01:07:05.810
They make sure that all the occult books

01:07:05.810 --> 01:07:08.250
are either, you know, not available to the public

01:07:08.250 --> 01:07:10.010
and they get them for their own private collections

01:07:10.010 --> 01:07:10.990
or they destroy them.

01:07:11.550 --> 01:07:14.250
And they destroy books that give information

01:07:14.250 --> 01:07:16.350
about the true information about the past.

01:07:16.810 --> 01:07:18.150
So gradually all the

01:07:18.150 --> 01:07:20.450
accurate guides to what happened

01:07:20.450 --> 01:07:22.450
in the past are taken away

01:07:22.450 --> 01:07:24.570
from us and you've got to track it down.

01:07:24.570 --> 01:07:25.450
The antiquarian book dealing.

01:07:25.610 --> 01:07:26.890
And I found this through my

01:07:26.890 --> 01:07:28.430
reading of

01:07:29.510 --> 01:07:31.670
the Phil Rickman books that I like.

01:07:31.890 --> 01:07:33.810
You know, the ones about Merrily Watkins,

01:07:34.290 --> 01:07:35.610
the priest.

01:07:36.990 --> 01:07:38.770
There's one set in the world

01:07:38.770 --> 01:07:39.270
of

01:07:39.270 --> 01:07:40.870
book dealership.

01:07:41.470 --> 01:07:44.190
And nearly all these antiquarian books, it seems,

01:07:44.670 --> 01:07:45.030
they

01:07:45.030 --> 01:07:47.830
survive, not on the day-to-day people

01:07:47.830 --> 01:07:49.890
coming by and buying an old book on

01:07:49.890 --> 01:07:50.910
flowers or

01:07:50.910 --> 01:07:53.130
an out-of-print first edition

01:07:53.130 --> 01:07:55.110
of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

01:07:55.110 --> 01:07:55.750
or something like that.

01:07:55.930 --> 01:07:58.610
It's nearly all on the occulty type ones

01:07:58.610 --> 01:08:00.190
which they keep in the back rooms

01:08:00.190 --> 01:08:02.530
which fall into their hands

01:08:02.530 --> 01:08:04.870
and, you know, the big money

01:08:04.870 --> 01:08:05.810
changes hands

01:08:05.810 --> 01:08:08.410
with things like that.

01:08:08.870 --> 01:08:10.450
They're specialist books

01:08:10.450 --> 01:08:13.450
that they come across that they know the market for.

01:08:13.970 --> 01:08:14.770
So the

01:08:14.770 --> 01:08:16.550
dusty old sort of black books

01:08:16.550 --> 01:08:18.570
TV show style

01:08:18.570 --> 01:08:19.270
bookshop

01:08:20.350 --> 01:08:22.230
is probably just a front for

01:08:22.230 --> 01:08:23.870
what's really going on in the background

01:08:23.870 --> 01:08:26.390
because if you've taken over someone's estate

01:08:26.390 --> 01:08:28.590
and you find these dusty old things, you won't know

01:08:28.590 --> 01:08:29.930
what they are, but

01:08:30.490 --> 01:08:31.310
they might.

01:08:32.410 --> 01:08:33.850
And so you'll go to them, won't you?

01:08:34.030 --> 01:08:36.030
If you accidentally pick up a bird book

01:08:36.530 --> 01:08:38.090
which is Birds of America

01:08:40.050 --> 01:08:41.010
by Ogiborne

01:08:41.010 --> 01:08:43.110
and then you put it in a box

01:08:44.610 --> 01:08:46.510
I'm testing you to see whether you've seen

01:08:46.510 --> 01:08:48.850
the, you haven't seen it, have you?

01:08:49.130 --> 01:08:49.350
No.

01:08:51.610 --> 01:08:52.950
The successor series

01:08:52.950 --> 01:08:54.070
to Detectorists.

01:08:55.050 --> 01:08:56.150
Oh gosh, right.

01:08:56.270 --> 01:08:58.170
No, I do want to watch that, but I don't get any BBC

01:08:58.170 --> 01:09:00.730
so I've got to wait for some sort of channel

01:09:00.730 --> 01:09:02.010
that is really good.

01:09:02.890 --> 01:09:03.850
You like it, do you?

01:09:04.110 --> 01:09:05.330
It's very good. Oh good.

01:09:05.770 --> 01:09:08.010
I'm glad you didn't dash my hopes with that one.

01:09:08.030 --> 01:09:09.010
No, what he's done

01:09:10.210 --> 01:09:12.490
what's he called the man from Mackenzie Crook?

01:09:12.610 --> 01:09:14.230
Mackenzie Crook, he's very, very clever.

01:09:14.230 --> 01:09:15.930
So he's

01:09:15.930 --> 01:09:17.510
managed to recreate

01:09:18.230 --> 01:09:19.110
all the charm

01:09:19.110 --> 01:09:22.050
and the whole

01:09:22.050 --> 01:09:24.230
mood and the sort of the wistfulness

01:09:24.230 --> 01:09:25.230
and the Englishness

01:09:26.370 --> 01:09:27.650
of Detectorists

01:09:27.990 --> 01:09:30.090
but with a completely different plot

01:09:30.090 --> 01:09:30.990
line and characters.

01:09:32.570 --> 01:09:33.690
It's very, very good.

01:09:34.150 --> 01:09:36.330
Except this one's in Suburban Manchester.

01:09:37.470 --> 01:09:37.510
Right.

01:09:38.150 --> 01:09:40.290
I thought he'd use some of the characters from Detectorists.

01:09:40.290 --> 01:09:41.350
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:41.350 --> 01:09:42.870
But they're not Detectorists.

01:09:43.110 --> 01:09:44.350
There's not a metal detector in sight.

01:09:44.430 --> 01:09:45.870
Although I did notice an Edward

01:09:47.130 --> 01:09:48.530
the first, possibly Penny

01:09:49.630 --> 01:09:50.710
appeared in one episode.

01:09:51.430 --> 01:09:52.890
A little nod. An Easter egg.

01:09:52.970 --> 01:09:53.750
A little nod, yeah.

01:09:55.030 --> 01:09:58.110
He does come across as a thinker, Mackenzie Crook.

01:09:58.170 --> 01:09:59.450
He doesn't

01:09:59.450 --> 01:10:00.290
love the publicity

01:10:00.290 --> 01:10:02.950
and he comes across as a very thoughtful individual.

01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:04.230
He does.

01:10:05.090 --> 01:10:06.910
I mean, I feel bad that I should even have raised

01:10:06.910 --> 01:10:08.550
the subject of TV because it is evil

01:10:08.550 --> 01:10:09.650
and it's a brainwashing device.

01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:10.970
And yet, and yet.

01:10:12.350 --> 01:10:14.570
What's another case if we have to live in their world

01:10:14.570 --> 01:10:16.470
and there's no point in denying ourselves

01:10:16.470 --> 01:10:17.850
the little pleasures.

01:10:17.990 --> 01:10:20.350
It does mean that whenever you watch a film

01:10:20.350 --> 01:10:22.930
or a TV show, you're always watching it

01:10:22.930 --> 01:10:24.750
on at least two levels.

01:10:25.850 --> 01:10:27.770
The level that's presented to you

01:10:27.770 --> 01:10:28.930
and the one that looks in

01:10:28.930 --> 01:10:30.150
at all the clues as to

01:10:30.150 --> 01:10:31.390
what they're trying to do.

01:10:32.870 --> 01:10:34.530
I suddenly thought, I was going to ask you,

01:10:35.850 --> 01:10:36.810
have we spoken about

01:10:36.810 --> 01:10:37.750
Doc Malis?

01:10:39.310 --> 01:10:40.770
No, I think that was

01:10:40.770 --> 01:10:42.670
possibly something that we talked about

01:10:42.670 --> 01:10:45.470
over lunch when you came over.

01:10:45.610 --> 01:10:46.350
Yes, that's right.

01:10:47.130 --> 01:10:49.910
When you came to Worcester last.

01:10:50.290 --> 01:10:52.110
So I've been kind of

01:10:53.230 --> 01:10:54.650
wrestling with my

01:10:55.450 --> 01:10:56.810
my conscience.

01:10:57.470 --> 01:10:58.610
Like on the one hand,

01:10:59.450 --> 01:11:00.570
Christopher Booker

01:11:00.570 --> 01:11:02.730
used to say never get into a fight

01:11:02.730 --> 01:11:04.250
with the chimney sweep.

01:11:05.190 --> 01:11:06.790
And of course,

01:11:07.050 --> 01:11:08.710
Christ enjoys us

01:11:08.710 --> 01:11:09.650
to turn the other cheek.

01:11:10.350 --> 01:11:12.170
But at the same time,

01:11:12.850 --> 01:11:13.730
he did

01:11:14.250 --> 01:11:15.830
overturn the moneylenders tables

01:11:16.610 --> 01:11:17.870
and he

01:11:19.130 --> 01:11:20.330
cursed the fig tree

01:11:20.330 --> 01:11:21.670
just because it didn't give him any fruit.

01:11:23.030 --> 01:11:24.310
Have you

01:11:24.310 --> 01:11:25.710
where are you on

01:11:27.370 --> 01:11:28.010
like

01:11:30.330 --> 01:11:31.850
righteous rage and stuff

01:11:31.850 --> 01:11:33.010
and forgiveness?

01:11:35.570 --> 01:11:37.830
It's one of the trickiest parts

01:11:37.830 --> 01:11:40.070
of the whole Christian deal.

01:11:40.650 --> 01:11:41.750
You know, being told

01:11:41.750 --> 01:11:43.070
not to judge

01:11:43.850 --> 01:11:45.770
when really we're doing it all the time,

01:11:45.830 --> 01:11:47.390
all the time, every day.

01:11:48.290 --> 01:11:49.730
You're making your assessment

01:11:49.730 --> 01:11:51.350
of someone, of what they've said,

01:11:51.470 --> 01:11:52.490
of things they've done.

01:11:54.070 --> 01:11:54.290
And

01:11:55.730 --> 01:11:57.010
it's hard to know

01:11:57.010 --> 01:11:59.610
just how far is acceptable

01:11:59.610 --> 01:12:01.670
we're doing that because it's in human nature

01:12:01.670 --> 01:12:02.310
to do so.

01:12:02.730 --> 01:12:03.870
And then there's the forgiving

01:12:04.530 --> 01:12:05.950
and then there's the

01:12:06.850 --> 01:12:09.050
we had a discussion the other day in the pub

01:12:09.050 --> 01:12:10.710
that was a semi sort of Thursday

01:12:10.710 --> 01:12:12.790
circle-ish type meetup

01:12:12.790 --> 01:12:14.750
talking with George

01:12:14.750 --> 01:12:16.230
who's now fully Catholic

01:12:17.070 --> 01:12:18.530
about whether or not

01:12:18.530 --> 01:12:20.690
he said you should admonish

01:12:20.690 --> 01:12:22.270
people who are sinning.

01:12:22.510 --> 01:12:24.330
It's one of the things they're encouraged to do.

01:12:24.570 --> 01:12:26.990
And it's like, well, isn't that the same as judging?

01:12:26.990 --> 01:12:29.750
But then do you let people carry on

01:12:29.750 --> 01:12:30.970
doing something that's wrong

01:12:31.610 --> 01:12:33.010
and just ignore them?

01:12:33.110 --> 01:12:34.830
I don't think it quite comes under judging.

01:12:35.050 --> 01:12:37.070
I'm wondering whether one's allowed to kind of

01:12:37.070 --> 01:12:38.850
smite and then forgive

01:12:38.850 --> 01:12:41.230
or admonish and then

01:12:41.230 --> 01:12:41.950
I think

01:12:42.890 --> 01:12:43.710
if somebody

01:12:44.790 --> 01:12:46.670
if somebody behaves very badly

01:12:48.190 --> 01:12:51.090
ooh, thank you.

01:12:52.670 --> 01:12:54.190
If somebody behaves badly

01:12:54.190 --> 01:12:56.510
and sort of go around

01:12:56.510 --> 01:12:57.870
kind of oblivious to

01:12:57.870 --> 01:13:01.170
the toxicity of their behaviour

01:13:01.170 --> 01:13:02.530
and the damage that they

01:13:02.530 --> 01:13:04.070
at least tried to do

01:13:04.670 --> 01:13:06.690
I kind of think they sort of need to be

01:13:06.690 --> 01:13:08.870
exposed rather than allowed to get

01:13:08.870 --> 01:13:10.570
I mean, if Jack

01:13:10.570 --> 01:13:12.850
okay, this chap isn't Jack the Ripper

01:13:12.850 --> 01:13:14.170
but if Jack the Ripper

01:13:14.170 --> 01:13:16.110
is going around

01:13:16.110 --> 01:13:18.190
and he's going around unchecked

01:13:19.010 --> 01:13:20.330
is it really the question

01:13:20.330 --> 01:13:21.610
thing to not

01:13:22.250 --> 01:13:22.970
do not

01:13:23.590 --> 01:13:24.230
call him out?

01:13:24.490 --> 01:13:28.110
I think that's where the George's argument would hold

01:13:28.110 --> 01:13:29.050
whereby you

01:13:29.470 --> 01:13:30.550
you do have to

01:13:31.250 --> 01:13:33.690
do what you can to stop sinners sinning

01:13:33.690 --> 01:13:35.650
I suppose it's that whole greater good

01:13:35.650 --> 01:13:37.310
expression, isn't it?

01:13:37.390 --> 01:13:37.890
It's like

01:13:38.990 --> 01:13:40.030
well that's the thing

01:13:41.050 --> 01:13:43.250
I've become conscious that there are

01:13:43.250 --> 01:13:44.030
look

01:13:46.030 --> 01:13:48.130
that there are people who do what we do

01:13:48.130 --> 01:13:49.770
that I think

01:13:51.230 --> 01:13:52.890
most of us in this kind of

01:13:54.090 --> 01:13:54.570
conspiracy

01:13:55.470 --> 01:13:55.950
realm

01:13:57.010 --> 01:13:59.550
are in it because we're seekers after truth

01:13:59.550 --> 01:14:01.770
and we want to get to the bottom of things

01:14:01.770 --> 01:14:02.190
and we

01:14:03.650 --> 01:14:05.470
the calling is higher than

01:14:05.470 --> 01:14:07.630
any kind of other considerations

01:14:07.630 --> 01:14:09.530
like earning a living or stuff

01:14:09.530 --> 01:14:11.790
I mean, I'd be doing this stuff

01:14:11.790 --> 01:14:12.490
even if

01:14:13.510 --> 01:14:14.950
it wasn't my living

01:14:20.190 --> 01:14:22.430
and if somebody kind of

01:14:24.750 --> 01:14:25.870
breaks that

01:14:25.870 --> 01:14:28.030
the house rules

01:14:28.030 --> 01:14:29.190
as it were and sort of starts

01:14:31.310 --> 01:14:31.870
attacking

01:14:31.870 --> 01:14:33.410
his own people

01:14:34.390 --> 01:14:34.950
gratuitously

01:14:36.470 --> 01:14:37.890
that's the bit that bothers me

01:14:37.890 --> 01:14:39.170
the attacking your own people

01:14:39.170 --> 01:14:41.070
it's sort of like well none of us perfect

01:14:41.070 --> 01:14:41.570
but

01:14:42.910 --> 01:14:44.830
unless you're quite clearly

01:14:45.650 --> 01:14:47.710
and this is probably what they believe of you

01:14:47.710 --> 01:14:49.350
they think they found

01:14:49.350 --> 01:14:51.670
a reason to show that you are

01:14:51.670 --> 01:14:53.570
not who you purport to be

01:14:53.570 --> 01:14:54.530
yeah but I

01:14:55.510 --> 01:14:57.510
really don't hold much water

01:14:57.510 --> 01:14:59.730
I've written a long piece but I haven't

01:14:59.730 --> 01:15:01.430
published it yet but well

01:15:01.430 --> 01:15:02.670
largely because I've been held back by

01:15:02.670 --> 01:15:05.550
I was going to finish it but my fingers aren't

01:15:05.550 --> 01:15:06.890
working at the moment

01:15:07.810 --> 01:15:08.450
but

01:15:09.230 --> 01:15:09.870
okay

01:15:11.510 --> 01:15:13.610
I don't want to name names

01:15:13.610 --> 01:15:15.810
well just don't

01:15:15.810 --> 01:15:17.050
no no no no

01:15:17.050 --> 01:15:18.690
what I mean is

01:15:18.690 --> 01:15:20.770
what I mean is

01:15:20.770 --> 01:15:23.670
that people on my

01:15:23.670 --> 01:15:24.230
side

01:15:25.430 --> 01:15:26.230
are saying

01:15:26.230 --> 01:15:29.430
you can't let this one pass

01:15:29.430 --> 01:15:31.310
because it's not just about you it's about

01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:32.390
all of us

01:15:33.350 --> 01:15:35.210
and I take the point

01:15:35.210 --> 01:15:35.590
that

01:15:37.030 --> 01:15:38.510
this is actually bigger than me

01:15:40.610 --> 01:15:41.490
I'm just thinking

01:15:41.490 --> 01:15:42.050
aloud here

01:15:45.810 --> 01:15:46.770
it's difficult isn't it

01:15:46.770 --> 01:15:47.550
yeah well

01:15:48.430 --> 01:15:51.070
clearly what's going to be the answer is to

01:15:51.710 --> 01:15:53.370
do the

01:15:53.370 --> 01:15:54.550
correct Christian thing

01:15:54.550 --> 01:15:57.590
but that's what we started this discussion about

01:15:57.590 --> 01:15:58.610
what is the

01:15:58.610 --> 01:16:01.030
correct Christian approach to this

01:16:01.030 --> 01:16:03.650
but it's not a cut and dry

01:16:03.650 --> 01:16:04.670
well we know it's

01:16:04.670 --> 01:16:05.750
thou shalt not kill

01:16:05.750 --> 01:16:08.990
so that's out

01:16:10.190 --> 01:16:11.290
I'm not going to

01:16:11.290 --> 01:16:13.490
I don't cover his ass anyway so

01:16:15.210 --> 01:16:16.650
bearing false witness

01:16:17.490 --> 01:16:19.170
yeah you see he's born

01:16:19.170 --> 01:16:20.870
he's born false witness isn't he

01:16:21.490 --> 01:16:22.010
basically

01:16:22.010 --> 01:16:24.730
and that's kind of

01:16:24.730 --> 01:16:26.910
that's a bit of a no no

01:16:26.910 --> 01:16:27.210
yeah

01:16:29.310 --> 01:16:31.070
I think actually

01:16:31.070 --> 01:16:32.490
you've clarified that one

01:16:32.490 --> 01:16:34.230
you've clarified that one yeah

01:16:34.230 --> 01:16:36.010
he's born false witness

01:16:36.010 --> 01:16:37.750
and that ain't good

01:16:37.750 --> 01:16:38.430
no

01:16:38.430 --> 01:16:39.630
um

01:16:39.630 --> 01:16:42.270
and you know if you are a seeker of the truth

01:16:42.270 --> 01:16:43.490
bearing false witness

01:16:43.490 --> 01:16:45.370
the worst thing

01:16:46.490 --> 01:16:48.630
doing it knowingly

01:16:48.630 --> 01:16:49.410
yeah

01:16:49.410 --> 01:16:51.710
to score points

01:16:52.110 --> 01:16:53.610
or whatever

01:16:54.490 --> 01:16:56.190
it is horrible

01:16:56.190 --> 01:16:58.050
when our side turns on each other

01:16:58.050 --> 01:16:59.130
and there's a lot of it about

01:17:00.210 --> 01:17:02.890
there's not enough good targets out there

01:17:02.890 --> 01:17:04.770
this is the thing

01:17:04.770 --> 01:17:05.630
you've got

01:17:05.630 --> 01:17:07.170
the entire

01:17:07.910 --> 01:17:08.510
Epstein

01:17:09.210 --> 01:17:10.390
guest list

01:17:10.390 --> 01:17:12.870
who did unspeakable things

01:17:13.630 --> 01:17:14.890
I mean look at

01:17:14.890 --> 01:17:16.510
do you know what John Podesta

01:17:16.510 --> 01:17:18.590
someone has pointed out recently about that

01:17:19.550 --> 01:17:21.430
you're very naive if you think

01:17:21.430 --> 01:17:22.890
it's just Epstein

01:17:23.630 --> 01:17:26.050
he's just going to be one of many such people

01:17:26.050 --> 01:17:26.670
who had

01:17:27.530 --> 01:17:29.750
that sort of level of connection

01:17:31.010 --> 01:17:32.930
and that made me think, blimey

01:17:32.930 --> 01:17:34.590
what if he's just the tip of the iceberg

01:17:36.290 --> 01:17:37.430
so who else are you thinking

01:17:37.430 --> 01:17:39.610
well I don't know who else it can possibly be

01:17:39.610 --> 01:17:40.990
but who would have known

01:17:40.990 --> 01:17:42.750
about Epstein had it not

01:17:43.350 --> 01:17:44.450
somehow blown open

01:17:44.450 --> 01:17:45.930
I mean is he the one

01:17:46.670 --> 01:17:48.410
we're being allowed to know about

01:17:48.770 --> 01:17:50.990
will it be dealt with and then will it make everyone

01:17:50.990 --> 01:17:52.710
think the whole problem's gone away

01:17:53.890 --> 01:17:55.070
all I'm saying is

01:17:55.070 --> 01:17:56.990
I would feel very uncomfortable

01:17:57.970 --> 01:17:59.010
if I were to discover

01:17:59.010 --> 01:18:01.010
the in-between writing charming

01:18:01.010 --> 01:18:02.650
sitcoms about

01:18:02.650 --> 01:18:03.990
English people

01:18:04.530 --> 01:18:06.870
Mackenzie Crook was running them

01:18:06.870 --> 01:18:08.470
I mean

01:18:08.790 --> 01:18:11.970
it just wouldn't be Mackenzie Crook would it

01:18:11.970 --> 01:18:13.550
who would you

01:18:13.550 --> 01:18:15.710
who would you like to be

01:18:15.710 --> 01:18:17.370
this is going to be

01:18:17.370 --> 01:18:19.270
a very incriminating question

01:18:19.270 --> 01:18:20.830
if I was to come up with a name

01:18:22.250 --> 01:18:23.730
I'm not saying who do you think is guilty

01:18:23.730 --> 01:18:25.190
I see who would it make

01:18:26.010 --> 01:18:27.670
you happy to discover was guilty

01:18:27.670 --> 01:18:29.330
I mean there are obvious ones like Piers Morgan

01:18:29.330 --> 01:18:29.870
and Gary Lynn

01:18:29.870 --> 01:18:32.630
who would be the

01:18:32.630 --> 01:18:34.110
David Attenborough that would be

01:18:34.110 --> 01:18:37.330
I think I've just

01:18:37.330 --> 01:18:38.150
won haven't I

01:18:39.090 --> 01:18:41.490
did you see how well my David Attenborough

01:18:41.490 --> 01:18:42.750
Tweet did the other day

01:18:42.750 --> 01:18:44.410
what did you say

01:18:45.050 --> 01:18:46.990
it was me having a conversation

01:18:46.990 --> 01:18:48.830
with my normie colleagues at work

01:18:48.830 --> 01:18:51.470
one of them sat round the coffee machine

01:18:51.470 --> 01:18:53.370
one of them goes David Attenborough

01:18:54.010 --> 01:18:55.010
he must be

01:18:55.010 --> 01:18:57.310
one of the most loved people in the country

01:18:57.310 --> 01:18:59.710
in fact I can't imagine anyone not liking him

01:18:59.710 --> 01:19:00.990
and I was like

01:19:02.130 --> 01:19:03.470
let me just say

01:19:03.470 --> 01:19:05.590
and I started

01:19:05.590 --> 01:19:06.690
spouting off on him

01:19:06.690 --> 01:19:08.610
and the last thing I put was

01:19:09.370 --> 01:19:11.530
simultaneous eye roll from all of my

01:19:11.530 --> 01:19:13.090
colleagues because

01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:15.430
they just think I'm contrary

01:19:15.430 --> 01:19:17.510
for the sake of being contrary

01:19:17.510 --> 01:19:18.070
but

01:19:18.070 --> 01:19:20.070
they haven't got a clue

01:19:20.070 --> 01:19:23.370
and they didn't even know what the word Malthusian meant

01:19:23.910 --> 01:19:25.450
and even if they'd looked it up

01:19:25.450 --> 01:19:27.150
they'd probably dismiss it

01:19:27.150 --> 01:19:27.790
but

01:19:29.010 --> 01:19:29.570
it's

01:19:31.550 --> 01:19:33.150
that feeling you had

01:19:33.150 --> 01:19:34.050
touched a nerve

01:19:34.050 --> 01:19:36.590
that feeling you had with your work colleagues

01:19:37.210 --> 01:19:38.970
I did get a bit of

01:19:38.970 --> 01:19:40.510
a glimpse of that

01:19:40.510 --> 01:19:42.910
in the operating theatre

01:19:42.910 --> 01:19:43.690
when I was

01:19:44.550 --> 01:19:47.550
when I mentioned Merovingian blood

01:19:47.550 --> 01:19:49.150
sacrifices and then I talked about

01:19:49.150 --> 01:19:50.870
Adrenochrome harvesting and stuff

01:19:50.870 --> 01:19:53.230
I thought maybe I pushed it too far

01:19:53.230 --> 01:19:53.830
I don't know

01:19:53.830 --> 01:19:56.150
I don't

01:19:56.150 --> 01:19:59.550
one of us pushing it too far that almost never happens

01:19:59.550 --> 01:20:00.910
the thing is they don't say

01:20:00.910 --> 01:20:02.270
they don't because

01:20:02.270 --> 01:20:04.890
I suppose they just go a bit cold on you

01:20:04.890 --> 01:20:06.290
you're a patient or whatever

01:20:06.290 --> 01:20:07.710
they call you Mr

01:20:08.390 --> 01:20:09.190
or Sir

01:20:09.190 --> 01:20:12.910
I probably feel they have some sort of professional

01:20:12.910 --> 01:20:14.910
relationship that they have to maintain with you

01:20:16.330 --> 01:20:17.950
I had a similar thing

01:20:17.950 --> 01:20:19.650
and he may well be listening now

01:20:19.650 --> 01:20:19.950
but

01:20:19.950 --> 01:20:20.990
I just

01:20:23.330 --> 01:20:23.850
met

01:20:23.850 --> 01:20:24.830
my new accountant

01:20:24.830 --> 01:20:27.230
and I don't know much about him

01:20:27.230 --> 01:20:29.230
but I was spouting off and I was over sharing

01:20:29.230 --> 01:20:31.850
and he was interested in everything I had to say

01:20:31.850 --> 01:20:34.130
and so I was just going on

01:20:34.130 --> 01:20:35.170
and on I was like

01:20:35.170 --> 01:20:37.790
I have no idea whether he's on board

01:20:37.790 --> 01:20:39.790
with any of this and he was just

01:20:39.790 --> 01:20:42.110
being so pleasant that I just carried

01:20:42.110 --> 01:20:43.750
straight on and it's

01:20:43.750 --> 01:20:45.710
dangerous territory I could be

01:20:45.710 --> 01:20:47.370
saying completely the wrong thing

01:20:47.370 --> 01:20:49.550
I've done this but I'm an overshara

01:20:49.550 --> 01:20:50.330
and

01:20:50.930 --> 01:20:52.330
I think you are too

01:20:52.330 --> 01:20:52.970
yes

01:20:54.350 --> 01:20:57.230
that was one of the things that God did when he was making us

01:20:57.230 --> 01:20:58.330
and wanted to kind of

01:20:58.330 --> 01:21:00.530
he didn't want to make us too perfect

01:21:01.510 --> 01:21:03.450
he's done a really good job there

01:21:03.450 --> 01:21:05.730
they are faultless at the moment

01:21:05.730 --> 01:21:07.630
what characteristics

01:21:07.630 --> 01:21:08.410
can I

01:21:08.410 --> 01:21:10.230
I'm going to roll my dice

01:21:10.230 --> 01:21:12.730
my million sided dice

01:21:12.730 --> 01:21:14.770
it's come up over sharers

01:21:14.770 --> 01:21:16.210
how I'm sharing is

01:21:16.550 --> 01:21:18.610
I'm going to give this one a stupid

01:21:18.610 --> 01:21:20.730
past I'm going to make him ring bells

01:21:20.730 --> 01:21:22.570
later on but I'm going to make him

01:21:22.570 --> 01:21:24.950
into hunting even though he can't

01:21:24.950 --> 01:21:26.070
ride very well

01:21:26.770 --> 01:21:28.690
yeah and I got bold head

01:21:28.690 --> 01:21:29.990
moustache

01:21:30.770 --> 01:21:31.190
reenactment

01:21:32.510 --> 01:21:34.270
I've got a few other weird

01:21:34.270 --> 01:21:36.790
rolls of the million sided

01:21:36.790 --> 01:21:37.910
dice but

01:21:38.610 --> 01:21:40.450
yeah they all keep you

01:21:40.450 --> 01:21:42.230
grounded to some degree

01:21:42.230 --> 01:21:44.470
have you before we go I know that you don't like to

01:21:44.470 --> 01:21:45.010
overrun

01:21:45.010 --> 01:21:47.630
I might go to the pub because it's Friday evening

01:21:47.630 --> 01:21:48.030
well done

01:21:49.650 --> 01:21:50.090
I

01:21:52.170 --> 01:21:53.750
I feel like

01:21:53.750 --> 01:21:55.930
it's like cold coming in I'm sure I've got it

01:21:55.930 --> 01:21:58.050
I've had a runny nose since the last summer

01:21:58.050 --> 01:21:59.990
but I put that down

01:21:59.990 --> 01:22:01.650
to the sodding chem trails but

01:22:02.230 --> 01:22:04.230
whatever it is they're putting up there is not agreeing

01:22:04.230 --> 01:22:04.690
with me

01:22:05.390 --> 01:22:06.850
or anyone for that matter

01:22:06.850 --> 01:22:09.390
I just wanted to warn you of a podcast

01:22:09.390 --> 01:22:11.470
I've got coming up I mean it's out to subscribers

01:22:11.470 --> 01:22:12.730
so you probably technically

01:22:12.730 --> 01:22:15.330
you can just do it now because I think I give you

01:22:15.330 --> 01:22:16.450
listening free don't I

01:22:17.690 --> 01:22:18.670
it's with

01:22:19.450 --> 01:22:19.970
um

01:22:20.770 --> 01:22:21.870
what's he called

01:22:23.830 --> 01:22:25.290
my brains gone blank

01:22:25.930 --> 01:22:26.450
um

01:22:29.390 --> 01:22:30.430
Sir Eskenal

01:22:30.430 --> 01:22:32.590
yeah I thought that come up but I didn't know

01:22:32.590 --> 01:22:34.890
Sir Eskenal is I mean he's

01:22:34.890 --> 01:22:36.290
top on

01:22:36.290 --> 01:22:38.430
he's he's very very

01:22:39.510 --> 01:22:39.990
awake

01:22:39.990 --> 01:22:42.450
he's been awake for a very long time he's very very good

01:22:42.450 --> 01:22:44.330
on calling out all the kind of

01:22:44.330 --> 01:22:46.350
geopolitical trickery and stuff and he's not

01:22:46.350 --> 01:22:48.310
for the actual night of the realm

01:22:48.310 --> 01:22:50.410
no he's not he's he's he's

01:22:50.410 --> 01:22:52.210
he's Greek right formerly

01:22:52.210 --> 01:22:54.330
Orthodox but but but this is the story

01:22:54.330 --> 01:22:55.070
I'm about to tell you so

01:22:55.070 --> 01:22:57.870
I thought he was going to do

01:22:57.870 --> 01:23:00.230
just tell me all more

01:23:00.230 --> 01:23:02.630
stuff about how the world works and stuff and

01:23:02.630 --> 01:23:03.470
um

01:23:05.250 --> 01:23:06.090
but he's

01:23:06.090 --> 01:23:07.550
but he's he's he's gone

01:23:07.550 --> 01:23:09.550
so far down the rabbit hole that he thinks

01:23:09.550 --> 01:23:11.110
that the reason we haven't been killed

01:23:11.710 --> 01:23:13.530
is not because they can't

01:23:13.530 --> 01:23:15.350
be asked but because we're actually we're actually

01:23:15.350 --> 01:23:17.470
doing their work for them and

01:23:17.470 --> 01:23:18.650
that we are

01:23:19.530 --> 01:23:21.330
pointing stuff out that they want

01:23:21.330 --> 01:23:23.350
pointed out because we are

01:23:23.350 --> 01:23:25.550
you and me yeah I'm up

01:23:25.550 --> 01:23:27.490
for killing am I no no we

01:23:27.490 --> 01:23:28.690
are we are

01:23:28.690 --> 01:23:31.090
by revealing everything that

01:23:31.090 --> 01:23:33.090
that the whole rottenness of the system we

01:23:33.090 --> 01:23:34.070
are ushering in

01:23:34.070 --> 01:23:36.450
the moment when

01:23:37.090 --> 01:23:38.550
the Luciferian

01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:41.430
um yang to the satanic

01:23:41.430 --> 01:23:42.490
yin comes in

01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:44.330
and and and so

01:23:45.090 --> 01:23:46.870
we we we are paving the way

01:23:46.870 --> 01:23:48.350
for this moment where

01:23:49.090 --> 01:23:50.930
people are suddenly relieved

01:23:50.930 --> 01:23:52.870
that all this apparent

01:23:52.870 --> 01:23:55.170
the all the mass can't even slip completely

01:23:55.170 --> 01:23:56.910
away and and actually

01:23:56.910 --> 01:23:59.350
the new thing is just as bad

01:23:59.350 --> 01:24:01.730
and then and then he tells me about

01:24:01.730 --> 01:24:03.630
his finding

01:24:03.630 --> 01:24:05.570
what he discovered about

01:24:05.570 --> 01:24:06.910
Jesus that that

01:24:06.910 --> 01:24:09.250
convinced him that um

01:24:09.250 --> 01:24:11.410
that the bible too

01:24:11.410 --> 01:24:13.790
is a massive sigh up so he treats me

01:24:13.790 --> 01:24:15.050
to all this this stuff and he says

01:24:15.050 --> 01:24:17.630
one of the things he says is quite interesting he says

01:24:17.630 --> 01:24:19.470
do you know how

01:24:19.470 --> 01:24:20.910
the the disciples were

01:24:23.250 --> 01:24:25.330
well I assume they were

01:24:25.330 --> 01:24:27.450
young men in their 20s

01:24:27.450 --> 01:24:28.970
when yeah they weren't

01:24:28.970 --> 01:24:31.310
and if you if you google this you'll find

01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:33.370
this is the case they were they were about 15

01:24:34.090 --> 01:24:35.470
what 15 yeah

01:24:35.470 --> 01:24:37.310
wow Jesus was older

01:24:37.310 --> 01:24:39.330
and so but it the inference

01:24:39.330 --> 01:24:40.790
he drew on that was that was something

01:24:40.790 --> 01:24:42.990
slightly creepy and sort of slightly

01:24:42.990 --> 01:24:45.370
homoerotic about and that actually

01:24:45.370 --> 01:24:47.350
Jesus was just a kind of

01:24:47.350 --> 01:24:49.030
um a sort of

01:24:49.030 --> 01:24:51.290
rebadged sort of elusinian

01:24:51.290 --> 01:24:52.930
mystery cult stroke

01:24:52.930 --> 01:24:53.830
sort of

01:24:53.830 --> 01:24:54.750
he

01:24:54.750 --> 01:24:55.710
he

01:24:57.070 --> 01:24:58.270
I didn't

01:24:58.270 --> 01:25:00.930
I found his argument quite shocking and

01:25:00.930 --> 01:25:03.090
and uh you know

01:25:03.090 --> 01:25:05.470
whoa when he was when he was telling it to me

01:25:05.470 --> 01:25:06.470
but I've since

01:25:06.470 --> 01:25:08.690
I've since looked into

01:25:08.690 --> 01:25:11.870
there's another guy who talks about this stuff who's made it his shtick

01:25:11.870 --> 01:25:13.790
that Jesus was a pedo

01:25:13.790 --> 01:25:15.490
that Jesus was whatever

01:25:15.490 --> 01:25:17.890
um and you know an alleged

01:25:17.890 --> 01:25:19.970
Greek scholar and I think

01:25:19.970 --> 01:25:21.710
his arguments are actually they've

01:25:21.710 --> 01:25:24.130
been pretty comprehensively

01:25:24.130 --> 01:25:25.210
debunked by

01:25:26.010 --> 01:25:26.490
other

01:25:27.390 --> 01:25:29.650
other language scholars you know other other

01:25:29.650 --> 01:25:31.270
Greek and other Greek scholars

01:25:31.890 --> 01:25:32.370
um

01:25:34.170 --> 01:25:35.810
but I suppose what I'm saying

01:25:35.810 --> 01:25:37.510
is when you listen to the if you listen to the pod

01:25:37.510 --> 01:25:39.630
just just go in there sort of

01:25:40.110 --> 01:25:41.970
brace yourself brace yourself

01:25:41.970 --> 01:25:44.070
yeah yeah I'm not going to like that very much

01:25:44.070 --> 01:25:45.990
no it's all right I think it's good

01:25:45.990 --> 01:25:47.730
it's good to be exposed to these ideas because

01:25:47.730 --> 01:25:49.790
because actually I think one needs to know

01:25:49.790 --> 01:25:51.710
what arguments are being

01:25:51.710 --> 01:25:54.070
used by the absolutely yeah yeah yeah

01:25:54.070 --> 01:25:54.650
I mean I

01:25:55.370 --> 01:25:57.790
keep falling back on that whenever I get

01:25:57.790 --> 01:25:59.910
my doubts about my chosen root

01:25:59.910 --> 01:26:01.930
and faith I fall back on things

01:26:01.930 --> 01:26:03.790
like the books you lent me and I think about

01:26:03.790 --> 01:26:05.850
the uh the monks on Mount

01:26:05.850 --> 01:26:07.190
Athos and I think well

01:26:07.790 --> 01:26:09.750
you're going to say all those guys are

01:26:09.750 --> 01:26:11.590
wrong that that they're regularly

01:26:11.590 --> 01:26:13.690
communing with the saints and you know

01:26:13.690 --> 01:26:15.870
they they've got info an information

01:26:16.730 --> 01:26:17.770
fast track

01:26:17.770 --> 01:26:19.790
that we could only imagine you know

01:26:19.790 --> 01:26:21.690
that it's not just

01:26:21.690 --> 01:26:23.990
the Bible they've got their own ancient

01:26:23.990 --> 01:26:25.550
scriptures there they've got

01:26:25.550 --> 01:26:27.290
um direct

01:26:27.290 --> 01:26:29.610
knowledge it's

01:26:29.610 --> 01:26:31.970
this is this is my

01:26:31.970 --> 01:26:33.890
take to and in our own

01:26:33.890 --> 01:26:35.910
little way we do have God

01:26:35.910 --> 01:26:37.530
does give us little little

01:26:37.530 --> 01:26:39.630
shiny glimpses hello

01:26:39.630 --> 01:26:41.850
here I am yeah um God

01:26:41.850 --> 01:26:43.950
Winks God Winks he does

01:26:43.950 --> 01:26:45.130
um

01:26:45.130 --> 01:26:46.810
um yeah so

01:26:46.810 --> 01:26:49.070
it is worth pointing out to

01:26:49.070 --> 01:26:51.090
the naysayers that it isn't just

01:26:51.090 --> 01:26:53.010
the Bible that we're hanging on to

01:26:53.010 --> 01:26:54.850
you know you can't debunk

01:26:54.850 --> 01:26:56.910
bits of the Bible and then expect our whole

01:26:56.910 --> 01:26:59.050
faith to fall apart because there's so

01:26:59.050 --> 01:27:00.330
much more to it than that

01:27:00.890 --> 01:27:02.410
especially when you last read Isaiah

01:27:03.050 --> 01:27:05.010
or Isaiah as the Americans call

01:27:05.010 --> 01:27:07.090
the system calling him yeah we

01:27:07.090 --> 01:27:08.230
we I think we say uh

01:27:08.230 --> 01:27:10.050
Isaiah and um

01:27:10.050 --> 01:27:12.770
when did you last read him

01:27:13.510 --> 01:27:14.090
um

01:27:14.770 --> 01:27:15.970
I think we've been doing

01:27:16.830 --> 01:27:18.870
no yeah have we been doing

01:27:18.870 --> 01:27:20.930
Bible study on him no Hebrews

01:27:20.930 --> 01:27:22.750
when do you do Bible study

01:27:23.490 --> 01:27:24.850
um it happens

01:27:24.850 --> 01:27:25.670
various times

01:27:26.390 --> 01:27:28.570
there's two sets going on at the moment

01:27:28.570 --> 01:27:30.570
um there's one when we're doing

01:27:30.570 --> 01:27:32.310
revelation and there's another

01:27:33.210 --> 01:27:34.110
that's a toughie

01:27:34.790 --> 01:27:36.730
but it's uh obviously all

01:27:36.730 --> 01:27:38.810
from an orthodox perspective and when do

01:27:38.810 --> 01:27:40.830
you where do you in Worcester yeah

01:27:40.830 --> 01:27:41.550
at my church

01:27:43.310 --> 01:27:44.490
how far is it

01:27:44.490 --> 01:27:46.830
10 minute drive it's very

01:27:46.830 --> 01:27:48.730
close to where I took you swimming that time

01:27:48.730 --> 01:27:50.970
really close really close

01:27:50.970 --> 01:27:53.010
oh no I'm very lucky it was

01:27:53.010 --> 01:27:54.410
one of sorry about the nose

01:27:54.410 --> 01:27:56.850
it's one of the reasons I decided

01:27:56.850 --> 01:27:58.210
it was calling me because

01:27:58.830 --> 01:28:00.450
there's people who have to travel halfway

01:28:00.450 --> 01:28:02.430
across the country to get to that church

01:28:02.430 --> 01:28:04.770
every week and um for me it's

01:28:04.770 --> 01:28:06.770
a 10 minute drive so that was another

01:28:06.770 --> 01:28:08.810
you know you've lucked out there

01:28:09.670 --> 01:28:10.150
yes

01:28:10.810 --> 01:28:12.990
moving closer to my new name

01:28:16.010 --> 01:28:17.110
which you've given

01:28:17.110 --> 01:28:18.470
strong approval to

01:28:19.290 --> 01:28:20.790
so when we get baptized

01:28:20.790 --> 01:28:23.010
we're meant to take a baptismal name

01:28:23.010 --> 01:28:25.030
and there's a paeceos

01:28:25.510 --> 01:28:26.350
in my church

01:28:27.270 --> 01:28:28.470
um yeah they all

01:28:28.470 --> 01:28:30.290
go for the big names don't they

01:28:30.690 --> 01:28:32.070
well you're not going to go for

01:28:32.070 --> 01:28:34.970
Saint Bob are you it's it's good you're going to go

01:28:34.970 --> 01:28:36.710
for a name that has I don't believe the

01:28:36.710 --> 01:28:37.350
resistant Bob

01:28:38.050 --> 01:28:39.650
no but probably a Robert

01:28:40.510 --> 01:28:41.930
is there a Saint Robert even

01:28:41.930 --> 01:28:44.230
I don't even know that it's going to be

01:28:44.230 --> 01:28:45.830
Roberto or something like that

01:28:45.830 --> 01:28:47.730
I don't know but anyway

01:28:48.590 --> 01:28:50.150
I'm looking like choosing

01:28:50.710 --> 01:28:51.190
Wolfston

01:28:52.470 --> 01:28:54.710
who was the bishop the last

01:28:55.690 --> 01:28:56.330
um

01:28:56.330 --> 01:28:58.450
Anglo-Saxon bishop to still be

01:28:58.450 --> 01:29:00.670
serving uh under the Normans

01:29:00.670 --> 01:29:01.670
and uh

01:29:01.670 --> 01:29:04.290
yeah he was a born near where

01:29:04.290 --> 01:29:06.170
you live served here

01:29:06.170 --> 01:29:08.130
and Gloucestershire and London

01:29:08.130 --> 01:29:10.330
um became the

01:29:10.330 --> 01:29:12.290
patron saint of vegetarians

01:29:12.930 --> 01:29:14.450
and peasants

01:29:14.450 --> 01:29:16.750
and how was he martyred

01:29:16.750 --> 01:29:18.310
um I

01:29:18.310 --> 01:29:20.370
don't think he was I don't think that

01:29:20.370 --> 01:29:22.070
the most of the modern day

01:29:22.070 --> 01:29:24.370
bishops were particularly seen

01:29:24.370 --> 01:29:26.410
off in a horrific way I think oh no

01:29:26.410 --> 01:29:28.330
he died whilst

01:29:28.330 --> 01:29:30.470
washing the feet of a parishioner

01:29:32.750 --> 01:29:33.310
I

01:29:33.310 --> 01:29:34.470
would rather go

01:29:34.470 --> 01:29:36.450
that way than being sawn in

01:29:36.450 --> 01:29:38.610
half by a wooden saw given the choice

01:29:38.610 --> 01:29:40.270
it sounds really quite appealing

01:29:40.270 --> 01:29:42.390
doesn't it yeah yeah

01:29:42.390 --> 01:29:44.530
that's not a bad way to go which is

01:29:44.530 --> 01:29:46.130
why the only the only disciple

01:29:46.130 --> 01:29:48.450
you want to be is is John even though

01:29:48.450 --> 01:29:50.350
I like James the only

01:29:50.350 --> 01:29:52.830
one not martyred horribly yeah not

01:29:52.830 --> 01:29:53.810
not martyred at all

01:29:54.830 --> 01:29:55.390
no

01:29:56.010 --> 01:29:58.430
yeah just died and he was Jesus

01:29:58.430 --> 01:30:00.070
his favourite or so he tells us

01:30:00.070 --> 01:30:02.370
the one he loved the one he loved

01:30:02.370 --> 01:30:02.970
yeah

01:30:05.030 --> 01:30:06.450
anyway lots lots more

01:30:06.450 --> 01:30:08.690
conversations for another time well exactly

01:30:08.690 --> 01:30:10.370
we've done well um

01:30:10.370 --> 01:30:10.970
so

01:30:12.570 --> 01:30:14.630
that's it isn't it looks like

01:30:14.630 --> 01:30:16.650
it so we've done your finger that's

01:30:16.650 --> 01:30:18.810
the main thing this was the James's

01:30:18.810 --> 01:30:20.150
finger podcast

01:30:20.150 --> 01:30:22.450
yeah this

01:30:22.450 --> 01:30:24.250
was the main thing so now we know

01:30:24.250 --> 01:30:26.450
and they can pick your nose with

01:30:26.450 --> 01:30:28.030
great efficiency and accuracy

01:30:28.030 --> 01:30:28.750
well

01:30:29.810 --> 01:30:30.450
yeah

01:30:33.130 --> 01:30:34.090
I'm wearing

01:30:34.090 --> 01:30:35.770
I'm wearing sling clothes

01:30:36.250 --> 01:30:37.030
the other thing

01:30:37.030 --> 01:30:39.990
talking about getting gratuitous the angry

01:30:39.990 --> 01:30:41.370
I was

01:30:41.370 --> 01:30:43.770
furious this morning you know what I was

01:30:43.770 --> 01:30:45.830
furious with getting dressed

01:30:46.210 --> 01:30:47.910
cuffs yeah cuffs

01:30:47.910 --> 01:30:49.610
why does everything have to have a cuff

01:30:49.610 --> 01:30:51.010
why is this got stupid

01:30:52.030 --> 01:30:53.690
because everything has a cuff

01:30:53.690 --> 01:30:55.330
when you when you've got a sling

01:30:55.330 --> 01:30:57.190
when you've got a plaster cast

01:30:57.190 --> 01:30:59.510
and it's a real pain it's

01:30:59.510 --> 01:31:00.250
all about

01:31:01.130 --> 01:31:03.210
t-shirts and jumpers for me

01:31:03.210 --> 01:31:05.510
but uh yeah if you've got cuffs

01:31:05.510 --> 01:31:07.770
then re-examine

01:31:07.770 --> 01:31:08.490
your wardrobe

01:31:09.530 --> 01:31:11.130
enough of the shirts already

01:31:11.690 --> 01:31:13.450
yeah okay right

01:31:14.170 --> 01:31:15.290
um good

01:31:15.290 --> 01:31:17.730
well that's it then isn't it looks like

01:31:17.730 --> 01:31:18.650
it thank you

01:31:19.250 --> 01:31:20.690
um I hope your call gets better

01:31:20.690 --> 01:31:22.750
yeah well it doesn't

01:31:22.750 --> 01:31:24.650
show any signs of it but yeah let's hope

01:31:24.650 --> 01:31:26.710
oh one more thing um

01:31:26.710 --> 01:31:28.790
dear beloved viewers

01:31:28.790 --> 01:31:30.050
and listeners um

01:31:30.670 --> 01:31:32.510
I just want to say extra thank you to you

01:31:32.510 --> 01:31:34.450
because I've heard that

01:31:34.450 --> 01:31:36.750
it's really really hard

01:31:36.750 --> 01:31:38.290
to download

01:31:38.290 --> 01:31:40.250
my to upload my

01:31:40.250 --> 01:31:42.130
my podcast

01:31:42.570 --> 01:31:44.810
apparently they the powers

01:31:44.810 --> 01:31:46.550
that be make it extra extra body

01:31:46.550 --> 01:31:48.870
difficult so thank you

01:31:48.870 --> 01:31:50.290
for sticking with me and making the effort

01:31:50.690 --> 01:31:52.770
um I mean I know I'm worth it

01:31:52.770 --> 01:31:54.790
but it's good to know that you you know

01:31:54.790 --> 01:31:56.970
I'm worth it too so thank you

01:31:56.970 --> 01:31:58.570
even those who you don't give me money

01:31:58.570 --> 01:32:00.810
even those even the freeloaders

01:32:00.810 --> 01:32:02.810
I love you just for making the effort

01:32:02.810 --> 01:32:03.930
and for being my friend

01:32:03.930 --> 01:32:06.510
and sticking with me through thick and thin

01:32:06.510 --> 01:32:08.530
so thank you and thank you

01:32:08.530 --> 01:32:10.910
okay speak to you soon then brother

01:32:10.910 --> 01:32:11.810
lots of love okay