and welcome to the Beth of Fresh Air December 19, 2025. We're almost at the shortest day of the year.
It never gets bright here anymore. It's the middle of the day and we've got an intense snowstorm
and it's dark, so I had to turn all the lights on today. But welcome. I'm back today with Dagmar
Stansova and I'm just going to make a few announcements before we get started and I bring
her on. So hello, Mrs. Eliza. Thanks for coming on the camera check. You guys can see me. I was
having some trouble yesterday. That was a little panic, but hello, Mike New. Glad to have you here
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And so just a couple of announcements. I want to let you know that coming up Friday,
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And so yeah, we're going to be talking today with Dagmar Stansova again and it is part two
of decalting natural health. This is a very big subject. I feel like it could go on and on
into infinity, but you might catch some patterns. I'm a pattern hunter and a lover of patterns.
And they can show you, you don't necessarily need to know everything about everything once you
see the patterns. So here I'm going to put this banner up and without further ado, I'll bring
Dagmar on. Hello and welcome Dagmar. Thanks for coming. Hello, Beth. I'm here with our favorite
subject and get to break it down with our decades of experiences and share with people what we've
been through. Hopefully shed some light on how a parent always wants to prevent their
children from suffering. You're like, I just want you to know what I experienced. It's kind of
that I'm willing to share my mistakes and I see that you are as well. So that someone else
potentially could not make them and save themselves a little time in trouble and money and agony and
yeah, it's there's something powerful about taking ownership of what decisions you've made
and how you've influenced people. I mean, that's one of those things like, you know,
no human being ever sees themselves as a villain in their own life. We all we all
are doing our best, but tend to look back and say, Oh, I actually kind of was a villain in someone
else's life. You know, when I look at what what ways of eating I've been through and how many
people I shared it with, you know, there's a there's a little bit of that, you know, and the
only thing that that, you know, brings life back to me is to just be able to acknowledge and
say we're constantly learning. Exactly. And that's a beautiful thing. It's it's to me, that's how I
choose my friends that they're not going to draw a line in the Senate say, Okay, that's it. I know
enough. I'm done not not looking into anything anymore. Not going to upset the apple cart.
Yeah, but that being said, I mean, my God, I have so much I feel so deeply for anyone
who is on this journey, where either they've had something not go right at some point in their life
and then they decided, Okay, I'm going to try this, or I'm going to try that. Or where they were
just completely let down by the by Western medicine, or even alternative medicine, where
they realized like medicine's medicine. So, you know, why don't I just look at what's
what I'm putting in my body and understand it with greater depth. So not that I'm qualified
in any way whatsoever, you know, to talk about any of this. But all I have is, I guess, well, right
now about 48 years of experience in in, you know, not just trying one thing for a week or two,
but for like, we're talking year or two. So and I have tried many things, as I heard you
mentioned that in your podcast yesterday, we were saying 27 things, but that's not even all of
them. Different ways of eating. And did I notice a pattern while it was happening? Not really,
because it's a very similar pattern. And once you're in it, you're in the groove, you know,
like one diet will will say, you know, 30% this 40% that and, you know, and another diet will say
80%, 10% and 10%, you know, dividing, you know, the macro nutrients. And they all have these
little regimens, you know, and it's so seductive, because you think, Oh my God, this is it.
Now I'm really going to get it right. You know, and to me, that's like the big pattern,
you know, the desire to like, I'm going to get this right. I'm the one thing, you know,
it's going to like really make it all okay. And then you so want it to be that way.
And then even after a year, you're going, I feel worse. But I'm just not doing it perfectly
enough. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it engages the programming that there's, there's one of the
programs, it's simply called a perfect program. And it wants to get it right. And it thinks that
if I get it right, then I'm going to survive, which some people won't be able to relate to
because they're like, no, I have no fear of dying whatsoever. But it really does the programming
has us by the short and curly because of the threat that's behind it. And so I can very much
relate to that and have been through a lot. Today, we're going to focus on ones that I don't have
necessarily particular experience with, but because Dagmar does, that does make you
qualified for this conversation. So, you know, we're not pontificating about ideas here. This
lived experience. And we don't want to throw the baby in the bathwater out because
pretty much every system has something good to offer, right? So that's almost always the case.
And it's the hard part where internally we might want, like, is this good or is this bad? And
it's just not like that. That's back in the paradigm of protocols. And I caught myself
with that yesterday in my interview with Kelsey, how talking about how holding the breath out
makes you more, what is it, not immune, but it builds up your tolerance to CO2. And so I heard
her answer and I accepted her answer. But later my brain is going, yeah, but is that good or is
that bad? Is it good or is that bad? Should I hold my breath out all day long? Like I want to
or like I can. So yeah, it's interesting mechanisms that take place around this. It's
not it's not just information. It's very much the other side of things. But we're going to
go one for one, we'll see how far we get through this list. And I'm going to be asking you the
questions and we'll see, you know, if we can keep it to three max five minutes on every topic,
we might very well get to the end. And so I'm excited for this because it's kind of like
studying religions where I didn't get involved with every religion. But I love hearing the
the nuances and the little slips and changes that I did have one woman in my life who had
she was actually forced to study every version of Christianity so that they could refute it
as Jehovah's Witness witnesses. And so she was just a wealth of information on all of these
different and you know, because I just I just think of it as one one world, but it's not by any
stretch the imagination. So having said all of that, should we dive in? Sure, let's go for it.
All right. And do chime in in the in the chat here if you have any experience to share or
questions or happy to answer where we can. So the first one is the body ecology diet. That's
by Donna Gates. It's an anti candida, lots of fermented foods, food combining. So now I
reading this, I have some experience with it. But what did you find first that is good awareness
for you within that? Well, just any kind of discipline, it brought awareness to the
microbiome, you know, the gut. So it did bring that to my attention. But I was still so far off
from having any clue as to, you know, what the function of candida might be, why you would
have candida to begin with? And what does what kind of toxins does candida favor? What does it
multiply and show up? So I was, you know, pretty clueless. But I stuck to it and I kept doing it.
And, you know, it was those days when it was the 80s, and everybody's doing like,
you know, brown rice, everything is whole grain, whole grain, whole grain, whole wheat,
everything should be whole, whole, whole. Unbeknownst to me, that actually is not the best for your gut
because it's very high in oxalates. And it supports the epithelial delining of the intestine being
quite scratched and poked and prodded. And thinking that because I was eating brown rice,
and I would slather it with olive oil and salt. So in a way, it kind of simple helped me go like,
oh, this is kind of simple, I can be with this. So I started to change my palette from like, oh,
I have to go to a Mexican or an Indian restaurant to enjoy food. And but what really struck me
at some point, which was later, maybe 10 years later, I wasn't doing it anymore. But the woman
who was sharing this, a very lovely woman, but she ended up having all kinds of face,
face work, like, you know, plastic plastic surgery. And at that time, it just, and she never
mentioned it. And she's talking about this is the diet, look how great I look. And I was going
like, I don't know, it just made me feel like it, like, I didn't know what the truth was,
but I could tell that there was something off here. You know, if she had to do that, or if she,
but that, you know, not to judge people who do, because I totally get it, I get it,
as long as you're open about it, you know, and when people ask you, you'll go, oh, yeah,
I did, I did facial, whatever. So that diet was basically, it also got me frightened of
anything sweet, you know, like a banana. I was totally not on the right track. And
just to answer, remember that person who asked a question at the end of the part one that we did?
Remember that person who, who mentioned something like, so are you saying this diet
is that everything else is terrible except for this diet? You know, remember that question?
Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering if maybe we should come to that at the end. I totally want to answer that
just in case, because it'll be a rabbit hole of its own explanation. I just wanted to add that I
totally ruined my son with brown rice. This was, this was, you know, I didn't even know what to
call this diet, but I had obviously adopted parts of it. And yeah, it was such a bad news
thing for a baby to have brown rice. Oh my goodness, I have big regrets with that.
For men's interesting, I ended up like just literally, because I had good results with
ferments at the beginning, typical. And then I thought more is better. So I would gobb out on
fermented foods and kaffirs, make all my own vegetables and everything like that. And I
realized that by the time I got to Garrett's work, had overdone it so severely and not
surprising that all the effects had diminished, all that goodness. And I was just out of habit. I
kept doing that stuff. So now I've gone the other direction. Some probiotic food is good. So now I
just have, I have a half a cup at the most, maybe a quarter cup of kaffir every day done.
And I don't bomb my body with lactobacilli, which may or may not be the right bacteria
for you. That's another thing, right? Like I force fed my son that too. And he's a guy,
probably not the best for him. So he's pretty happy that I don't do that anymore.
I like your point about being frightened of anything sweet and how many people may have
ended up unable to digest carbohydrates in the process of trying to remove all sweetness,
which you really can't do. But, but yeah, we tried, I tried hard for sure.
Yeah. And oftentimes when you switch from one way of eating to another and you really
stick to it like me, you know, I'm the good, I'm the good student. I'm gonna, you know, respect
the teacher and do what the teacher said. When just switching from anything to anything,
you will feel better because your body will either you're adding something that's really toxic,
which will create a reaction and shut down detox. So yeah, it feels like, wow, this is
miracle. It's a miracle. It's working. I feel so good. I have so much energy.
Right. And then it starts to go down and you just then want to ignore it. You just want to
pretend that it's not really happening because we're trained to deny, you know, it's not just a
denial is not just the river in Egypt. It's something that that we are as a survival strategy.
You know, so we don't it feels terrible to tell yourself like, oh, what I'm doing is not working
or what I'm doing is bad for me. It's an awful feeling. You know, exactly. And you have to process
stuff. So as you're doing this, you know, dieting adventure or trying to address, you know,
basically, you're questioning and addressing Western civilization, you know, you're
questioning something that is just totally accepted. You know, you go to a cafe in Italy
or in New York, they're going to serve you espresso. And that's absolutely the way it should be. Why
else go to a cafe, you know, and you're going to eat whatever, you know, crumpets they have.
So it's, it's, yeah, it does require a capacity to, to be okay with being outside of the normal,
you know, the normal way of being totally. Yeah. All right. So in the name of time,
we're going to move on and go to fit for life, which is Harvey and Marilyn Diamond fruit based
morning living foods. Is this is like the same as a raw food diet? Very similar. Same with the
Donna Gates diet. It's very focused on plants, very plant focused and protein is just a little
bit. I think what she said, only 20% of your food will be protein. And the fit for life is just
something that actually my mother started to do that when she was head of the anesthesia department
in New Jersey. She was trying to lose some weight and she was all excited, like, oh my god,
you just have fruit for breakfast. And, you know, made her so happy that it was fast. And
so it's basically just another kind of leading you towards the raw vegan, you know, eat things live.
And so that was kind of no, not a big deal. And so, and so what did you find is,
is good and right in there? Yeah, well, okay, that's with that one. I mean,
it's just the focus on living foods. That's good. You know, I think it's, it's a lovely concept.
But again, so misleading that, you know, you should be eating all these vegetables and fruits.
You know, that's where the life is. So that's a good thing. And with Donna's diet,
I mean, all the ferments, you know, it's an interesting concept, even though ferments are
basically, you know, it's like, it's, it's rotted food. So that's some overlap there with the fit for
life diet. Yeah, yeah. I really, I can't say that I, I guess with the body ecology diet,
I can't say that there was anything really great. Some of the other diets, yes, the fit for life.
Yeah, we'll just, we'll just go with one at a time, if that's okay. Yeah. And then,
yeah, so there's not much to fall back on there, except that value for fresh food, which that's,
that's pretty good for normal people. Yeah, it's a really big step up, you know, to just eat more
cleanly, more organic, you know, live foods, all of that and exercise, you know, so it's not like
a big, it's just people know how to market things really well, but they're not really
marketing anything new. Right, right. Yeah, they had a fit for life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was more of a mainstream. So we'll go right on then to the diet zone.
The zone diet. The zone diet with berry sears, macro ratios and omega, omega three
focus and, yeah, no fats in veggies, but this is, this is, or pardon me, in fruit and fruit.
And yeah, so then the zone, what is, what is the macro ratios? Can you define that for me?
Yeah, macro ratio was like, I believe it was 40% carbs,
30 protein and 30 fat. And so this was, so this was a very mathematical diet where you'd be like,
half an apple with three almonds, you know, and a one ounce of peas together. So you'd
always have this particular ratio. And that was kind of fun. And it also did
simplify my palate again, you know, made me more okay with just simple,
simple foods and you could travel with it easily. And I tormented my poor mother and
father with this diet. Yeah, so in addition to being a simplification of a way to eat,
what other benefits do you think are in there? Or is that it?
I mean, it's, it's, it's well, it's kind of well rounded sort of the way the,
the toxic bio paradigm is the what we're eating right now, you know, to me, it's a very well
rounded diet. There's, there's protein, there's fat, and there's carbs.
Right, right. Yeah. And where this one would likely fall down is in the added fat.
And that idea that the omegas are the brain food. And I know I used to chase the omegas.
And then I was eating that MCT oil, which is disgusting, by the way, especially don't do
anything to it, it immediately rots and goes rancid. I yeah, really regretted that.
And then as it turns out, you're the fat that you add to your food gives your body
a natural storage place for the poison that otherwise might just move through you.
So that's the reason to get, and if we compare it to Garrett's work, he's always looking at
what is the smallest effective amount of something that you could get.
So yes, we need some fat, but it as it turns out, our muscle meats contain plenty of fat.
In fact, we're, you know, I'm in the habit of draining off the fat from the meat. Whereas
before I used to like, Oh, bring on the fat as much as you could get.
And so yeah, I never thought I would agree with my parents on a low fat thing, but here I am.
Yeah, which is why some of those diets that require high fat can be delusional for longer,
or can keep the illusion going for longer, because you're constantly adding so much
more fat to store things in, you know, so you can go on much, much longer going like,
Oh, this is great. I'm great. I'm great. Right. But you're still kicking the
can down the road. That's my favorite expression of Dr. Smith's very useful down the road.
Exactly. Yeah, I can totally relate. I did that for many years until I couldn't.
And then I had to seek deeper knowledge. So quickly, a couple of questions here. Well,
just to zoom through them, fermented cabbage is, you know, the green cabbage is,
is low A, but high in sulfur. So that's the main, I lost my taste for, for
sauerkraut all together. I never thought that would happen. I threw out the last batches.
And yeah, so I know it's so popular. It's possible that was a product of, you know, no
refrigeration and the threat of starvation and the ability, okay, we got the cabbages now,
find a way to preserve them so that they, we can eat later.
Yeah. Yeah. And then are we gonna, is one of these topics going to go deep on oxalates?
Because Maya had a question. It is okay. So we'll save that one, Maya. We're not ignoring. Yeah,
they're ignoring. All right. So here's a next one, which is fun. This is so fun for me. I love
this. Thank you, Dengar. I'm glad you have all this experience. And so the blood type diet,
I remember, I'll just quickly say remember bringing, I believe I had the book at the time
when I was sick with cancer, I was living across the country with, not with, but to work with a
naturopath who had more experience in treatment of cancer than anybody. And I showed him the book
and he said, that's garbage. Get away from me. So I just kind of left it at that. But it has
persisted for a very long time. So first of all, do you think there is some benefit in it? Where
does it? Well, I think the benefit of that one is that it's the first time that I even heard of this
concept of lectins. But it still didn't sink in. It took another at least two decades after that
for that to really sink in and grasp that. And what about lectins? So I heard this too,
that they're just not good for you. It's a protein that's basically nature's way,
because nature does not, or nature, let's just say plants, they can't attack and they can't eat you
or bite you. So this is how they defend themselves. They make their own poisons, which are kind of,
look at them as pesticides, poisons, phenols, there's all kinds of, that people tell you now are good
for you. Because the whole concept of hormesis and all that people say, well, a little poison is
good for you because it's good for your immune system. It gets you going. It's like saying,
a little death is good for you. So it had, there's something about it was very clever. I
think a lot of this is just really good marketing. And you know, this is your field. I mean, you know
how powerful that can be just the title fit for life or blood type diet, and then dividing it into
each blood type with their personality traits and with the foods that are beneficial, that are
neutral, and that are just do not eat. So you just look at this and again, it plays on that
desire to be good and to do the right thing, the perfection, you know, programming that you talked
about. It's, it's, it's so seductive, you know, where you look at like, Oh, I'm a blood type B.
Oh, that means, Oh, yeah, I should not eat that avocado or, you know, or all that chicken, it's
killed all my ancestors because Jews should not eat. That's why they have all these diseases
because of the chicken date. And now I think about now that I understand the toxic bile paradigm,
I'm like, Oh, it's not the chicken. It's the, it's the tons of chicken fat and the chicken livers.
You know, but, but it's, you know, all these conclusions are just, they sound so good because
they're presented so beautifully. You know, yeah. And just looking at it like what are good for
you? Like it'll say coffee, if you're an A type is really good for you. It's a positive, you know,
it's beneficial. And I'm like, I didn't realize it then, but now I'm like, wow, you know, it's,
and it's also their so-called testing is done on the unhealthiest as part of the population,
you know, and they're eating not even organic, there's just, you know, they're eating like
canned tomato paste. Come on, you know, so, so it's, there's really apparently, I haven't gone deep into
the study of it, but there's really no real proof. You know, this is the, this is what's his name,
Dodamo. It's his, he took his father's work and then created an interesting concept around it.
So, right, my, my conclusion from that died, but I have all their books.
Right, right. Yeah, I was going to say like that the seductive part of having somebody just hand
you like, oh, here's you. And then here's your, your protocol, your foods that you can,
you can eat and thrive on that are good for you. And it saves you all of the detective work
of needing to actually get to know yourself and your, understand your relations, you know,
because I had this idea, Apple's good, there, there's good fiber in there and it's low A,
but then three times I eat an apple and I get a, I get a sign from my stomachs going like, no,
don't like this. And it's like, oh, okay, that's new. And it took me a few tries, but I, I did
that work and I just simply am not having apples right now. I'll probably go back to them at
some point, but it's not that apples are bad. It's just that it's not working in my body
right now. So I just love what you just said when you said that it's like handed to you,
that made me think of religion, you know, like when it's handed to you, you feel like, oh, I don't
have to think about it. I don't have to go do all the, you know, the detective work internally,
you know, to see like, what does God mean to me? You know, it's, and it's a great thing. I'm
not saying it's a bad thing. Sometimes it's a beautiful thing when something is handed to
you and you're in a place where like, oh, you know, it just, it really centers and focuses your life.
So there's nothing wrong with any of this, you know, I'm never saying that this is bad,
this is wrong. It's part of the journey, you know, and wherever you end up, like some died
for some person at some point in their life, maybe just the right thing for a couple of weeks
or months, right? But it may be the worst thing for somebody else, you know, because we're
all in different stages. But I, it drives me crazy when people say, well, everybody's different.
Everybody's unique. Yeah, yeah, we all have organs. We all have a heart. We all have a brain. So
we are, I think, more alike than, than different. But we do have different ways of getting rid of
crap, getting rid of poisons, you know, we're in different stages of that. Like if you're 12,
you're going to have, hopefully, a lot less accumulated toxins than if you're 70. So that's,
anyway, that's just an aside, but go on, go with the next, what's the next one? Oh, this is an
interesting one. Yeah, yeah, that is funny with the blood type, because I gave so much blood,
not donation, but I was tested so many times. And I never ever found out my blood type,
which was hilarious. So I couldn't even go down this road. But yeah, so next on the list
is a Jennifer nutrition blindfolded raw eating guided by smell. Yeah, it's called the gene fit
diet. And I, and I know both of these people who started in they wrote a book, that was the most
fascinating diet I was ever on that really taught me something really interesting about,
you know, how, how tuned in we are. And it's based on the concept that it's you only eat things
completely raw, but it includes meat, fish, eggs, honey, vegetables and fruits. So that's an organs
and all of that. But the way that you eat is you blindfold yourself. And only rich people
can afford to be on this diet. Because every time you eat, you just have to have a big table and you
put, you know, like, 10 different fruits, 10 different vegetables, you know, five different
meats and fish, and you blindfold yourself, and you smell each one. And the one that makes you
really salivate is the one that you end up eating in the, and you only eat one at a time.
So it was fascinating because what I found is that, like a strawberry, one day smelled like
gasoline, same batch of strawberries, and then the next day it might smell like strawberry shortcake.
And so the concept of this is that your, your olfactory senses will let you know what your
body needs to keep building itself. So it was a great idea. And, and I was so enamored of that
because they had a child and, you know, like with children, you can really like do that,
you know, spread the table and see what they'll be really drawn to eating.
But it was completely not practical. And the fact that it included, you know, the eggs
and no dairy, though, there was absolutely no dairy that's not considered part of natural food.
But it really taught me a lot about how, you know, our sense of smell is quite phenomenal
that one food, you know, when it's in its true raw state, not cooked, so it doesn't count
for anything that's been heated or had any kind of chemical reaction. So, but I was like,
wow, my nose can completely have a totally different smell
depending on where I'm at, what day it is and how I feel.
Right. So that would be one of the strengths, because I noticed that that right now,
I thrive on higher potassium. So I'm drinking potassium chloride water. It tastes good and
yummy to me. When I put that stuff on food, that tastes good. But there may come a time
where I'm like, oof, but what, you know, what's that?
Yeah. Yeah. Well, in the gene fit diet, anything that is like a supplement would not count.
But but I too have that same same response with potassium citrate. I love the taste of it.
And I hate it. And it will cause me a bile dump after like four or five days of using a citrate
right now. I want to make one quick point about the salivating. And it's possible. I don't
I haven't verified this, but I just thought of it that the more you salivate, the more it's
let's check this if this is true or not, the less digestible it is.
Like literally the more that's why a piece of gum will create so much saliva, because it's
desperately trying to break the gum down and, you know, making enzymes and sending the
the, which is actually your blood, by the way, the saliva is a is your blood coming through
the glands and coming saliva. So what do you think of that? Is that I think
from my little experience with the gene fit diet, that was the shortest one I did. That was only a
couple of months. Was that that when you would taste that strawberry, or if it was a piece of meat,
raw meat, and you would taste it when it smelled like when it smelled pleasant,
and you would salivate the flavor of it would actually be like heaven. You'd be like,
you know, having orgasms and like, like a piece of meat could taste like
indescribable, almost sweet. You know, so, so there's something about,
you know, which really we can question. What are we human beings that we can change the flavor
of something? Right. Yeah. So no opinion on that one. So I'll leave that open.
Yeah. Yeah. If anybody has any details on that. And so we'll move now to the raw primal diet,
some in common with the other. You're, you're saying argenous and vonder. Argenous,
argenous, vonder planets. Yeah. That was the diet that I was on the longest.
And that was a very high fat, raw dairy, raw meat, raw organs, kind of a diet, which Garrett,
Garrett or Smith have been on that, or try it. Yeah. And many of the people that he's worked
with as well came from the raw, the raw food, raw meat. So this would include no,
no plant material, correct? Oh, no, there's plenty of fruits and vegetables and green juice is a big
part of it. Celery, parsley, cilantro type juices. Okay. Yeah. There's, but a lot of raw dairy, raw
cream, you know, those kind of fun, fun foods. What else about the raw and things like
ceviche and, you know, all basically raw meats and fish. Yeah. And lots of butter.
So the premise being that it being raw, it is unadulterated. They like it was, I think
David, our avocado wolf would say cooked food is poison. And they would point to some
weird biochemistry that would happen in the heating process, which I believe some of it
can be true. But again, you know, when you get a molecule, when you're down to the molecular level,
a molecule of calcium is a molecule of calcium. Now, what we know is to be vitamins are
destroyed in the cooking process that if that's true, that's good. Because most of those vitamins
are actually toxins. So in a way that gives some credence more, much more to cooked food,
which I gravitated towards. I did my raw food, although I never did raw meat. I didn't do raw
dairy until recently when we got our contraband. Should I say that online? I don't know. And
so yeah, the whole, like there is a certain detox that comes from it. I did experience
what I thought to be benefits. But here's one important point I also talked about with
Kelsey yesterday is around that a lot of the, especially say the green juices and the raw,
the raw plant food and the raw organ meat will get you high because of the poison content,
especially copper. Yeah. And a lot of times people mistake, they think, Oh, this is great.
I'm detoxing. You are just removing what you in taxed. So people think they're getting some
deep detox, but it's just you're constantly adding more and more of it. And yes, you do get high. I
even on my YouTube channel, I still have it on there where I do liver shots with raw milk. And I
would take raw liver, put it into a little shot glass and swish it down at those disgusting.
But man, I and I would even say like, Oh, this is, this is like coffee without the caffeine
because you do feel incredibly like suddenly your, your eyesight gets sharper. And not that
I want to seduce anybody into getting into this. But basically, it puts you into so much fight
or flight, the poison of it is so strong that even like I'm talking like a little pill
size piece of liver that I would, you know, swash down and it would be like, Whoa, you're,
you feel alert because there's an emergency going on. There's a poison coming in. So yes,
you're alert, awake. Your eyesight is better. Your hearing is better. And you have energy
because you're about to die. You know, your body's going, come on now. You know, so exactly.
Exactly. Yeah. It's a drug like effect and drugs are poisons and, and you get high for a reason. And
your body's probably even sending off endorphins saying like, Oh, you're, you're being hurt,
hurt poor thing. Here's some painkillers to go along with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and,
but with the, with like the green juice drink, you know, we use that, that cilantro
and celery juice and all that. It's really hard to grasp. It took me a long time
I think it was Dr. Chafee's lecture that he gave on plants are trying to kill you
where he talked about that, that it just started to register. I'm going, Oh,
that's why I feel like shit. Why I don't want to drink that celery parsley juice.
But I've sold myself on that it is good for me. Exactly. Excellent point. When you think that
it's detoxing you, because every time I had a green juice, I've also something else would
happen. And it's like, you say your body's just going, Oh, in with the poison. Oh, it's the poison.
Like run to the toilet. Same thing. Sometimes with cream that I would do. And I thought, Oh,
wow, this cream is really detoxifying me. You know, lucky me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Raw
organs, that is dedication. I ain't going, I could barely eat a cooked one myself. So
luckily, I never did dose on any of that. I took some pills though. You never took organ
pills? Never. No, I just my brain wouldn't go there. So it's like, I got it got an FU just
I had no reason I just didn't. A lot of my brain saved me from a lot of stuff that way.
Pretty happy. So yeah. And yes, we agree that alcohol is a poison. Absolutely. Yep. So
all right, we're just just as an aside to people who might ever try this kind of diet,
the women who were on this diet always ended up really overweight and miserable. And the men always
had this funky stinky old cheese smell from all that Rondary, you know, I never, I never did it
enough like as intensely as everybody else did it. You know, I still had some part of me that
was like, Okay, well, wait a second, I don't know about I'm not doing no smoothie with a blended
kidneys in it or blended liver with, you know, fruits. No. Oh my goodness. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
All right. So we're going to go on to Douglas Graham's 80 1010 diet, which is high carb raw
vegan tissue breakdown. Does that mean promoting the autophagy that glorified autophagy?
It's just an extremely detoxifying diet. Well, it's really not the I mean, that's my old language
saying that it's detoxifying. Really, what it is is that it is so full of poison that you just
can't stop and you keep trying to get it out. And you lose a lot of weight. I mean, it's, it's
mostly it's 80%. You know, plants, carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat, and only fat from nuts. It's all raw.
And it's like, you know, some of the people on that diet, I mean, when I was on it, like, I
ate peaches, you know, like, and the other thing that all these raw diets do, they will destroy your
teeth. Right. With a high carb kind of thing in a ton of fruits and everything like that. Yeah.
And then you're adding even dry fruits. I mean, it is just a only really young people can
sustain this for a while. Right. Right. Yeah. For anybody that struggles with constipation,
take the dry fruits and I think all dried foods out of your diet or rehydrate them before you use them.
I think even dried meats will qualify for that because it instantly is going to pull water from
your body to hydrate and in order, because you can't digest anything without water.
It's just not going, and you're not going to detox anything without a medium it's
going to move out on. So yeah, the dried fruits, it's all barely like I have, you know,
one fig, even though it's kind of on the love your liver path for some calcium, but
I just have to back off. And then yeah, the nuts, I ruined myself completely
from that very high in oxalates, high in the fats that you don't necessarily need or want.
And then yeah, the high carb is good because it's better than the low carb, at least your body
won't become maladaptive to carbohydrates in the process. But I'm guessing also, you know,
some elephant in the room with the 80% plant diets is too much fiber. And I think about it. Now
I'm thriving at this current stage, I'm thriving on less fiber, not zero. I get a little bit
with my meals, but I mean, a decent amount, maybe a quarter cup of beans and I will have
cooked celery or some other low wave veg. But not like I was gorging on before and especially
all of the lettuces that have are super high in insoluble fiber, which is just like a bulldozer,
like you were saying, the injuries from the inside, all of that, all of that fiber becomes
such a labor and a workout. And it just doesn't need a scraper, especially women,
compared to men need, need more scraping, but women tend to need much less of that.
Yeah. And is it too, like, see, here's a good question. Is it true too much fiber causes colon
cancer? So you can't answer it like this. That's like saying is, is fiber good or is fiber bad?
So this is going to be entirely contextual for each individual as you go through, and it's
going to change. Right? So personally, I was eating way too much fiber. I would get totally either
backed up or I would get major bile dumps and my bells still wouldn't move nicely with all that
fiber. So yeah, it's, you have to find your Goldilocks place, which means your exact right
amount for right now back to the detective work. So yep. Yep. And do you have a chocolate diet on
here, by the way? Well, that's the superfoods. Okay, perfect. Perfect. So we're getting the
chocolate Jackie. Yeah, just either. Nice. All right, this is fun. So the next one, the
Hippocrates Institute Diet by Anne Wakemore. I recognize her name and Brian Clement,
Vegan Raw and Wheatgrass. So they, they brought wheatgrass to us, did they?
Yeah, well, that's part of the Hippocrates Institute is in Florida. And man, I bought all
those books, all those fruitarian guys. And, and I remember going to a big conference of this,
and Brian Clement, who looks very strong and muscular, you know, for he was young then,
I don't know how he is now, but obviously it was working for him for a moment like everything works.
And I know a part of it is probably because he's got a whole Institute based on it. But I remember
his, his very lovely wife went up to was coming to speak to us. And she walked up on stage and
she passed out. And I remember that was when I was like, I'm going, this is not working for her,
but she's the wife. So she had, and she was so lovely, but she's I think of Swedish descent
or somewhere from the Viking area. And her just eating this, this, this, this raw vegan diet and
all that wheatgrass was, and she had, I think they have a couple of kids too. So that was when
I was like, Oh, you know, something is not working here. But they help people with cancer,
you know, people go there to the Institute and they, they, you know, feed them their raw meals.
So everything works for a moment at some point. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like you said,
even a broken clock is right twice a day. And it's a path, you know, people sometimes start
the path and maybe it gives them time. So you know, who am I to say, but well, the only thing that
I have to say is that I've been there. And, and I hope that nobody has to go through so many
paths as I did. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that wheatgrass, it's so nasty. I think you guys
heard me say it, I was, I was taken, taken, you know, doing the one shot or the two shots.
And then I think one day I had three, and the whole thing just came right back up. I just went
like, are you fucking kidding me? Like this, right? And yeah, I think, Oh, I'm really detoxing now.
It's like, no, no, I've been poisoned. But I didn't go back. There was, there was something
that I, my system is, is good. It will override even if I've got some belief or
intellectual knowledge, I'm just like, okay, I'm just backing away and I can't explain it.
And I don't need to either. So yeah, that disgusting stuff, super high. And, you know,
we're very lucky for the animals, they eat the grass, and they take the poison,
and they stick it in their liver and give us nice clean muscle meat, or at least relatively clean.
So yeah, yeah. And, you know, so there is some, a little bit swearing sometimes around
here, Chrissy. So you could, I don't know what you can do there. But just, just so you know,
there is, there is some, and I don't do it a whole lot, but I will do it for emphasis.
I'll try to contain myself. The old country farmer out of me for a moment.
And so we'll go on now to fruitarianism, not entirely unrelated to the Hippocrates,
but that same path, you know, it's just, I mean, insane to, you know, I did it.
And I think that's when I really started to see like some really bad things happening,
but I still didn't connect it. Like I developed a sun allergy.
My body was trying to get stuff out through my skin and the sun makes, promotes detox. So every
time the sun hit me, it would be like, I get these hives and, and, and that messed me up for,
for, and I'm still working on that. That, that was what kept me going all these years from
one thing to another until I found this paradigm, which is the only one that explains
what's happening and is having an actual effect.
Right. Right. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. So let's, let's just a little bit of detail here with a
pure fruit diet. You're getting such low protein. And what that means is that your body will not
be able to make basic building blocks for, you know, whether it's building muscle or repairing
or all of that kind of thing that the, the, the fallout from a lack of protein is, is ginormous.
They go to the third world and give them vitamin A shots, but really it's probably a severe
deficiency of protein. I don't know if you want to say anything more about that.
Yeah. Yeah. I just thought of another one that I was on, as you mentioned that it was,
have you ever heard of the body electric? People did all kinds of energetic work and,
and part of their premise was that they also did only raw and focused on a lot of
fruits and things like that. And all those people, my God,
the, you know, where they ended up, if they kept going and going with that, what that lack of protein,
I remember one of the leaders of this great movement, he said to me, he said,
anything that has structure is a protein. You know, I'm going, okay. And, and he actually
became blind. Oh, darn raw vegan. He was older, you know, and he kept doing it, kept going and
going and preaching and teaching all this stuff about, you know, getting your minerals from your
juices. And he would also add humic and falvic, those kinds of minerals too. And I remember one,
and that was very high in raw chocolate of any kind. And I remember at that time
that I was just constantly sitting on the toilet and I thought, oh, I'm really cleaning out non stop.
I know. I know the belief is just a really hard one. And so the, the fulvic minerals,
it was fulvic and humic, did you say? Yeah. And what's the deal? I also never
wanted to take those. What's what's humic minerals is very similar to Shilajit.
Shilajit is the Indian version, but it's ancient plant,
ancient plant just decomposed. And the fulvic is just an extraction from the humic. And it's more
concentrated. But you know, everybody's like, oh, this is the best stuff ever, because it helps
you absorb everything and it will heal your teeth. And, you know, it's fully absorbable
minerals. And you're just, I stopped those when, when I, when I got to the low oxalate
diet. That's when, that's when it started to dawn on me. Wait a second. These are ancient plants.
And we're not talking, you know, grapes and apples. We're talking plants, vines or whatever
was growing back then. Right. Right. Yeah. So funny, they managed to sell them dirt,
right? Effectively, because the plants turn into dirt. And, and then so then we get to buy that.
A lot of money for it. Right. Exactly. I know it's like, ooh, Shilajit, like this.
Well, you know, and also Shilajit, you get pretty high from it, same with the mines.
And it can have good effects. I noticed that like the humic really did,
when I was having some dental work done, and I did a lot of those,
they did kind of firm up my teeth. Okay. But, but is it, was it a long term or was it just short
term? I don't know. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Putting your, putting your body into a state of
not detoxing, meaning the bile won't be in the blood and it won't be, you know, washing the
mouth, which like I said, the saliva is, is a kind of form of blood or comes from the blood.
And so, yeah, your teeth could improve while you don't have a lot of
bile in your system and you're not detoxing. But like you said, just kick in the can.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't do any of that. And my teeth are stronger than ever.
Amazing. Yeah. I'm in month 15. What are you in? I think we're about the same. Yeah.
I've been saying 14, but it might be about that. Yeah. It was September, October,
I started last year. Yeah. Me too. September I started. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I think
we're on the same schedule. All right. So we're moving along now to the macrobiotic diet from
Michio Kushi, a Yin Yang balance and seasonal eating. So what's, what are the positives here?
Well, eating what's in your environment, that's, that's a positive. And the just,
there's a certain kind of a ritualistic cleanliness or more of a spiritual aspect of the Yin and the
Yang of foods, you know, to it that I kind of enjoyed. It's very monk like, you know, the way
everything is served and all of that. But I've seen, I didn't do well on it. And I've seen
other people who didn't because they're so little protein to once in a while you'll do a fish.
But there's really, you know, which is so interesting that you're eating from your
environment, but what, there's no rabbits or birds or anything in your environment. There's
only like fish. So there was something off about that. And I saw people who were,
it's just a very high carb diet. It's just cooked, but still plant based, you know, focus on plants.
Okay. Yeah. So would it be lacking in protein as well then?
Yeah, I would say it would be very lacking in protein, but in your opinion,
could you get enough protein from a vegetarian diet?
I tried. I really tried. I couldn't. I couldn't. And I paid for it. Because I really wanted to,
I was just so like, I don't want to eat these animals, which for me was a big, big process
to go internally to recognize that I too have a predator with a higher conscience,
so that at least I can, when I do eat the animal, I had to, you know, own what that is, that, yeah,
I am eating something else because not wanting to eat an animal. I also didn't want to own
that part of me. And so I've had to like do a whole journey with that. And whenever I do
eat animals, I take it very seriously. And I do eat animal every day. I take it like whatever I'm
eating, I do have to not have to, but it just feels like to pay honor to life and to give something
from myself in the world, you know, that, that, that I'm doing this for, for more life,
not just to like suck life off of something else. So that's my, that's my, my way of addressing
it. But yeah, I bet that's going to help somebody because that can be a really big
hang up that, you know, they're not against meat, except on the ethical personal, their own emotional
side and relationship with that. I was going to say, by the way, for the vegetarian kind of a
diet, you probably technically could get 50 grams minimum of protein a day, but you'll
probably get way too much fiber in the process. That's where it would fall down with me anyway.
Mm hmm. Yeah, you have to eat more quantities to exactly. Yeah, I like the simple, you know,
I like to feel that when I eat, I don't want to have to feel it digesting.
That used to be normal for me. Every time I'd eat, you know, my stomach, you know,
in the morning, it would be nice and flat. By the end of the day, it would be more,
you know, distended. And so that, that's doesn't happen anymore ever. Yeah. That's,
that's a really great plus. Like if I knew I was going to have a date or something,
I couldn't eat the whole day. Now I can eat whenever I want. Nice, nice. And yeah, so if we go on
with the specific carbohydrate, carbohydrate diet, SCD, illegal foods for gut conditions.
Do you want to say that? Yeah, SCD. Well, you know, that because I was convinced, you know,
how we convince ourselves and how again, it's all advertising, you know, you have SIBO,
small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I was like, yes, that's what I have. That's why my stomach
is this way. And that's why, you know, I don't feel well. And that's why I have a sun,
you know, issue. So I was like, that's what it is. It's, it's, it's, I have to go on
this specific carbohydrate diet and, you know, all lists of legal and illegal again,
very seductive. Ooh. And, but one of the things that I did learn there was the distinction between
monosaccharides, disaccharides, and polysaccharides. And so basically on this diet, you avoid all
poly and dye, which are just sugars. So dye is two sugars, poly is many sugars,
and monosaccharides is one sugar. So you only eat things that are
monosaccharides because those are easier to digest and to absorb and all of that kind
of stuff. So I did discover that many, many things like preservatives are polysaccharides
and things that surprised me, you know, or polysaccharides. So that was educational,
but it still didn't do anything for me because I was still eating the monosaccharide vegetables,
still eating my celery juice, drinking my juice, and eating my tomatoes.
So it was just another kind of, God, what would you call it? Just another restriction.
And yeah, I just was just so much effort and energy, just like measuring things, you know,
and calculating this, this, you had to like, you know, make sure that you avoid this. And
then I used to make my own yogurt. And I was so proud of this. I would make a yogurt that really
had no polysaccharides where you get the culture for it from one place only that had nothing in it,
but the acidophilus, the two particular cultures that you put into a yogurt, but no other
weird things added. And you make this special SCD yogurt that you ferment for 24 hours.
And again, you know, it was just taking in the dairy, taking in the A,
thinking that you're doing the best thing for your gut. And it didn't do anything,
but I kept doing it. That didn't stop me from sticking to it. And yeah, so that's that one.
I was watching a dumb show called The Good Place, someone in the House of Free will turn
me on to that. Unfortunately, I'm now addicted. I'm going to have to watch them. We might do a
House of Free will event. And so they, they pegged to the one, one person, he's supposed to be a monk,
but he's really in disguise. He's not a monk at all. And so they gave him what he thought he
wanted a special glass of, of yak milk. And so they put, you know, he goes to, to drink it.
And then he goes, bleh, like his body just rejected it. It just came right back out.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, that's a smart tongue there, you know. So yeah, I hear camel milk is a
little better for us, which is weird. And I can't go there personally at all for Baron.
I got it. I got the camel milk powder. And I got some frozen camel milk. I still have it.
And really the only thing, you know, I could see it's serving a purpose for people who
just really aren't ready to get over certain addictions. Yeah, I could restart and like
all I have to do is get some decaf or some fake coffee and put some camel milk in it. And I'm like,
oh, I'm back in the zone of some addiction. Because it's, it reminds me of that. Like, oh,
now I'm really a writer because I'm drinking fake coffee with my camel milk.
Well, isn't that interesting? Because fake foods actually do promote the addiction to the real
thing. I noticed that. So I started making these beautiful cookies. They're amazing with
urethritol at the time, which I know is bad and wrong now. And when I had them, I would have,
I couldn't eat one or two or four. Oh my goodness, I just sit in gorge on them. I had the idea
that they're healthy. Meanwhile, made with almond flour. So couldn't be higher in oxalates.
And but, but it was like so hungry for me. Like I really mem, mem, mem, mem wanted this.
And then I would feel sick. And then, and then I finally, I'm okay. I'm just not making cookies
anymore. This is, this ain't working for me. Oh yeah. Yeah. When you get that, do you know about
urethritol? Why it's bad and wrong? Say compared to a xylitol that your body actually makes?
I think it has to do with some kind of an alcohol. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That would
be a good Garrett question. Yeah, they're all alcohols. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have to bring
that up with either Garrett or Kelsey. By the way, that was such an awesome interview with Kelsey
yesterday. I loved, I loved it. I hope you do it more. Yeah, I'd grab both of them every week,
if I could. I did try to make my requests a little bit speckled over the year. Yeah, fake
foods, Chrissy Taylor, exactly fake foods are the worst, especially fake meat. I've never
put that in my mouth. Was that true? I've, I've not, certainly not recently, but I guess I did
my tofu dogs and my vegetarian days and some, some of those burgers, but they, it wasn't
sustainable because they just weren't good enough for one to make me want them. And,
and then yeah, all that. Are we going to be talking about soy in here?
Well, yeah. I mean, why not? I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we know it's estrogenic and also
oxalates. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And God knows what else. I mean, it's just like, if you ever
watched that episode with Dr. Chafee, he talks of plants are trying to kill you. And you just
realized like, like just Brussels sprouts, I think they have like 300 different toxins in them,
you know, like when you really grasp that. And, and that took me so long because I did all this
research about the sun allergy and it said something like, Oh, well, celery has makes you
photosensitive. And I was like, what? You know, I just still, I didn't want to believe it.
I just, I said, Oh, this must be some obscure research by some crazy people,
you know, because I just could not associate plants with actually having something in them that
isn't beneficial. I know. I know. Yeah. People are, Oh, those plants, they want us to eat them.
It's so romantic. And this, I think it's the other way around that we're here for the plants.
Yeah. I always joke that the really the plant, what it wants is for you to die right underneath
it so that your body will decompose and release all your wonderful nutrients to feed it.
Exactly. Yep. Yeah, they have a plan. It was their idea to bury people, I'm sure.
Burying these suckers. Yeah. Yeah. Back to soy for a minute. When I researched a little bit of
the history of there, soy was only ever used as a crop rotator to put nitrogen into the soil,
which beans do. We do that now we grow soy, but just to put nitrogen in the soil,
we don't eat that stuff. And so if, if you are going to eat anything now, I didn't realize it's
high in oxalates and yes, estrogenic. So don't give the toll food to your, to your boy children,
for sure. Luckily, I didn't like it. I wasn't into it either. Yeah. And, and then, but to
only eat it in the fermented versions like tempeh and miso, I believe. Yeah. But still high
oxalates. So I haven't wanted it. And that might explain why. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of other
stuff in there too. But, but yeah, just don't don't do it. Yeah, exactly. And just a quick,
quick question about acne. So there's three main detox pathways, the liver being the first.
If the liver can't handle the poison, it's going to send it into the kidneys. If the kidneys
can't handle the load, it's going to send it out the skin. And so that's exactly what,
what acne is. It's just poison that your body has, has become systemic through the colostasis,
meaning bile got out of your digestive system into your blood. And then it's going to exit
the skin because it needs to exit one way or another. And it's, it's always, you can tell
by the color, you know, red and yellow. Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, we always think sort of
like white blood cells, but there's probably a good vitamin A component there as well.
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of changes in my skin and some good ones recently just way less dry,
way less die off going on. Excellent. Good. Yeah, because that was kind of sad if we
thought we'd have to go in the future with this, like, you know, my skin would just like
do this every morning. And I'm like, after the shower, raining over, you know,
after a while, I was like, you know what, if that's how it's going to be, if I'm going to lose the
visual, I'll still be fine because I feel so good. Exactly. Exactly. It was a, it was a big
moment, but I'm really happy now with the, especially with the magnesium pit at late
that fantastic Kelsey recommended. I'm feeling like the moisture is coming back and I'm like,
oh my God, my skin's coming back. Yeah. Do you use that in addition to MSG or instead of?
In addition. Well, I couldn't do the MSG until I started doing the magnesium pitalate,
which basically does have gluten, you know, the, it's, it's pyroglutin made is the other name for
it. Pyroglutin made, yes. Yeah, yeah. So, so I noticed that, oh, suddenly I can do the
manasodium glutamate, much bigger portions, which I'm loving. Yeah. No, it's delicious. Okay. Yes,
like I've got a whole great big bag of L pyroglutamic acid, which I hear is the same as that
magnesium pitalate, although it's a completely different name going on there, but that's
this week. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try using it if I can take
more MSG because I'm on a teeter-totter with the MSG that, you know, I can go one pinch for sure and
not pay any price, but two pinches after about five days, my body's going like, woo-hoo, let's,
let's release copper fast. Yeah, yeah, you got to let that copper release. I think that the
copper is more intense than the, than the vitamin A actually, because of all the chocolate that I
ate. Right, right. Luckily, it quit me. I couldn't continue with that chocolate. I was, you know,
yeah, that was, that was good. My body just knew it was like back off. So yeah, I even had
a one little thing on, on what day, some occasion it was, and just had half of a half of a thing
with that had chocolate on top of it. Well, in seconds, I broke out my skin. It just went
like from my mouth right to my skin and it's out of there. So it didn't last, luckily, was, you know,
like a shingles breakout. Luckily, it didn't set off a whole mechanism. But, but yeah,
it was a very clear sign, like this is poison. That magnesium pitalate, it's P-I-D-O-L-A-T-E.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And it's from Neutropics. Yeah, Neutropic, N-O-O-T-R-O-P-I-C-S.
Okay. If you feel like it drop it in the, in the chat and they could,
I don't know how to do that best. Okay, no problem. No problem. So I also feel like
recommending a supplement. It's not good just to take a recommendation and run with it.
You really, you need to learn and understand your own, your own body with it too.
So I know that was my bad habit. I hear something on the grapevine. I run and I get it and I take
a lot of it just without any knowledge at all. Yeah. And this is, this is after I've done all
kinds of different magnesiums that didn't quite, the chlorides didn't work as well for me. Whereas
this one, it's doing a really great job for me, but I searched and tried. I didn't just go like,
Oh, I'll do this. You know, and I had my blood tested and my hair tested. So I, you know,
so I'm not just like shooting in the dark. Exactly. I definitely need to, to restore my
magnesium supply because I've been using up so much of it because of, you know, trying to
my body's working. There you go. There you go. All right. So we are now on the low glycemic index
diet. That's just a pretty simple one. I mean, it's all about the glycemic index. I mean,
if I were to follow that now, I wouldn't be eating two or three bananas in a row,
which I do sometimes when I need them. I find that a lot of these diets that are so like,
here's the precise number. Here's the, you know, all of, I'm finding that they're moot, you know,
they don't, it's, it's different when you're not taking in a whole bunch of poisons. You know,
it's a completely different universe. You know, you can't go by the same, by the same rules of
like food combining, let's say, you know, I don't need any food combining when I'm not eating
poisons. I think it's more had to do more with, you know, combining the poisons.
I don't know what I mean, like all these things that are so popular and the yin and the yang of
this, you know, it's, it's, it's so, so it's a different universe. Like things that I, that I
needed before, I don't need anymore because I was just trying to kind of suppress some reaction
to something when I kept adding the poison. So, and that, that's, I think is what makes
anybody qualified to even just talk about things. You just try it as the, you know, you just have,
you just try something. So I certainly, I get an A for trying many things. And the same thing,
thank God I didn't shut down like a lot of people do, like a lot of people that come to a point
where they're just like, no, I've already tried, I've tried everything. I've tried everything. I
don't want to do anything else. I'm just so grateful that even with all the stuff that I went through
and all the negative things that have happened to me from the things that I tried, that I still
continued to be open and in search. And I tried this. So, and that's the only reason
I'm even talking about it publicly, you know, because I see what it's doing to me.
Yeah. Yeah. Around me. I have, I have my very close friend from college. She's doing the same
thing, same time as I am. And I have two other friends. So we're watching each other, you know,
for sure. Yeah, that might be the, the lover in you, which I, I often see. And it's that
the truth or bust. We're not going, we're not going to compromise and stop because I have
the trying fatigue going on. And, you know, yeah, like that's, that's, I avoided trying
burnout by not trying everything. And, and like, you know, I would more block, oh, new trend.
Don't, don't look at it. So don't consider it. That's my denial strategy. And yeah,
it's such an extremely good point. I want to emphasize it is different when you're not
intoxing on a regular basis. And that's, that's my only claim to fame. I'm not some people
criticized Garrett that he's shilling the supplements. I'm not on the supplements.
Yeah. Can we hit on that? Because to me, that's another thing that I think makes this very
different is that you really, and the only things that have had a really strong effect on me,
were things where I did not have to take any supplements. And this is definitely,
it's just a food, just eliminating the poisons. Yeah, that's a lot of magic right there. And I
actually wish I could take, I can see the signs. My body would thrive if I could have more zinc.
But even when I tried to, I removed the fibers from my zinc sources, meaning meat
for a few days, just for one of the meals. And I started to detox too fast. I'm literally getting
too much zinc. So I was like, okay, bring it back. And for me now, I want to combine
my fiber with my zinc sources, which is sort of backwards for someone else that might benefit
from separating them for a time. So yeah, yeah, that's a thing. And let's see.
Yeah, the food combining, I just, I rejected that myself. That was something, although you can see,
like if you down a smoothie on top of a burger, and you don't feel good, and there's a whole
bunch of sugar, especially the dessert after meal. When I went to India, we all would eat dessert
first, knowing that it's going to just like be fuel and burn through. And then the heavier food won't,
won't, the idea was that it would ferment because of the sugar. Is that, is that, is that true? Or
just, I mean, depends what are you eating? What kind of sugars, you know,
this is a sugar sugar, like, yeah, if it's a sugar sugar, well, yeah, you know, it probably
will ferment, but anything can ferment. We have fermentative processes inside of us on purpose,
right? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, drinking a smoothie that's not eating, you know,
you're breaking down all these vegetables and fruits and or whatever, you know, that's not
really, we're not, we're meant to eat the fruit, you know, the blender is our teeth.
Exactly. I know, and our, and our jaws are getting very weak because we're not chewing that much,
although I think mine's really strong from years of grinding my teeth. So now I need a break.
Thank God, the low, the low copper and the detox that I've done this last year,
I do not ever grind my teeth anymore. I don't have that constant stress and tension in
my jaw that I used to have. It's miraculous, literally. That's awesome. I know, I know it was
really torturous to try to like bite the teeth out of my own mouth when I'm sleeping every night,
like that was just like, oh, poor thing. So all right, on to the antiparasite diet. We said
a little bit about this last time, but it certainly bears repeating herbs, antimicrobials,
and fear-based protocols. What would you like to share about that? Is there anything good
in it? Well, not the way that it's presented. Yeah. You know, there's, there's something to be said
about understanding. That was the one good thing that I, that I grasped from the primal
raw diet, the Arjunis Wanda Planets diet, that I still feel there's a lot of truth to that,
which is based on the terrain theory, meaning that, you know, if you have dead tissue in you,
parasites will be drawn to it and will multiply to try to get rid of it. Like I started to understand
the role of bacteria and parasites and funguses, not as some horrible enemy that we have to get
rid of, but is just something that is already in our system. And for when we do die,
when we are all dead tissue, hopefully it will eat the rest of it and basically kind of decompose us,
right? That that's the job. But if you have a lot of dead tissue in you while you're still living,
then more of them are going to come and clean up. So it's just like, you know,
you don't blame the crow for killing the deer on the road just because the crow is eating it.
The deer was dead, that's why the crow came. So that part I think is interesting, but the way that
it's presented by most people and the way it was presented to me, horrifying, you know,
when they will show you the enlarged pictures of like, this is what it looks like, you know,
and this is attached to you. And it will, I mean, it's just, again, it's nothing but
terror of like being, you know, invaded from the inside. And then it scared the
but Jesus out of me when when I was, you know, exposed to all of that. So I would do all like the
walnut. What was it, the shells and the garlic and the tumor, you know, all these things,
turmeric, that was supposed to kill the parasites. Basically, I was eating a lot of the spices
that are naturally put into all Indian foods, which I guess, you know, it played an important
function there, because there was no refrigeration, I imagine at, you know, at some point. So people
had to come up with ways to kill the parasites. I know there couldn't be anything more fear
porny on that side. And it was another one, I'll congratulate myself that I just went like, no,
no, it's a no. And it was partly the cognitive dissonance of literally not wanting to
acknowledge that I have an enemy within and there, you know, laying eggs and squirming and all
this kind of stuff. I just, I just like, when it, you know, it was a no. And so I was very
happy with myself when I, when discovering in this last year that the parasite craze is a
Rockefeller invention. And it goes, yeah, it goes to this exact day, it still has the same
momentum as it ever did, selling all of those so called remedies that are, yes, they do kill
parasites. They are a like anti life, right? They are also killing you. So these substances
are dangerous to the parasites and equally so to you. One thing that was really big
wake up for me too that this might have included, but just that the metals content in your body
is very proportionate to the amount of parasites that you'll have. So as long as there's a big
amount of metals to clean up, the parasites are your friend, because otherwise they you
probably be dead. Yeah, that's that's aluminum, I think is what Candida favors.
Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so when you realize like, oh, this is really trying to, you know,
get some stuff out of me and is helping me clean it up, consume it just like, you know,
you have all these incredible microbes that you can put into a major oil spill,
and it will eat it, you know, this is, I hear here in Asheville, North Carolina,
you know, there's secret missions young people have found that there's certain microbes that will
clean up. Apparently there's all kinds of toxins after the hurricane and radioactivity, and they're
finding they're, they're having to sneak it in because trying to create like a kind of a ground
level where each neighbor will do their land. But, but the, you know, the government is,
is not wanting to do that kind of a cleanup, but they can really clean up stuff. So,
internally and externally in the environment outside and in our inner environment. But if you
don't, if you don't keep giving them stuff, then they leave on their own. Yeah, I was
joked that it's like, you know, there's a family of these, these parasites living
wherever in your body, and the food stops coming in. It's kind of like, well, you know,
I think we should move, honey. Exactly. It will leak around here. Yeah. But, but, but here's the
thing that the thing about the parasites that always drove me nuts is that it was about
attack them, you know, and it's this whole, and if you come into anything and you attack it,
it starts to really activate, you know, and can go crazy and you can cause yourself
all kinds of very unpleasant symptoms. Whereas if you just stop feeding them, they naturally kind
of feel like, oh, let's go on a vacation to some other place, you know, and do better. Yeah. Yeah,
we can do better than this. This whole, this place is a bore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't feed the
churros. Exactly. Like send the kids to school and maybe we'll move too. Yeah. Yeah. And
Ivermectin being a really key one that amazingly it became also the cure for the big C suddenly,
but yeah, this is very, very widely used even people that I'll say, you know, really have
a good knowledge and a good brain, and they would never put it in their own body,
but they do put it in their animals, you know, and I have a great deal of respect for,
for my friends who do that. But, but it's, you know, you need to know it's a poison to
us. It is a poison to them and you get short term good effects. The reason that you're going to
have to keep on treating them over time all the time and, and again into the future,
because all you're doing is killing the cure to the problem. Now I don't, I'm no expert in,
in livestock or anything like that. So I don't know how you'd get them to detox. But yeah,
the pleomorphism, Jackie, is a really good principle to have that, that organisms
actually change based on their environment and you can, you can observe that and yeah,
yeah, your body has incredible intelligence in its own micro level. I thought I had proof
of pleomorphism when I, by accident, I left some chicken because I use my outside as a freezer
sometimes in the winter and I forgot that this thing of chicken was out there. So I come in
the spring and it was covered in, in maggots. So it was just like, wow, like this. And then I'm,
I'm, I'm thinking like, but did they crawl over the balcony or where did they come from?
Some people say, well, they, they're, they're passed by flies. But frankly, it felt like it came
from within because this was like a sealed container. Nothing could get in there.
Yeah, yeah, that's actually that's, that's called, that's what the primal diet, they do this thing
called high meat, where they take a piece of meat and they put it in a jar with a little bit of air
maybe coming in, but you leave it there for a couple of months and then you eat this.
I have, I've never done that. No, I drew the line at that. But
yeah, so you can basically transform a simple
protein, I forget what they call it in pleomorphism, you know, it's the Beauchamp versus pastor,
great, great discussion. And it can slowly transform into a fungus, into a bacteria,
and then into a parasite. And then it can also go the other way, depending on the, on the
terrain, you know, I, I love that theory. And I do say theory because it is a theory, but
so is germ theory. And just, I just want people to acknowledge that they're both theories.
Right, right, right, exactly. And the truth is probably not in either extreme.
And neither is it a medium. But we won't go there right now. Oh, right. So we are moving
right along here and we're on the superfoods. Food's diet. Thank you, David Wolf.
Yeah. Was he the creator of that whole thing? He was like, he was a huge part of it. He was
all about the superfoods. Oh my God. And he was part of it, but I didn't know he was like the
ringmaster there. Well, he started the whole coconut craze. And then he went to the raw
chocolate thing. And then into all the Chinese mushrooms. Oh my God. And then the maca,
the mesquite, and all the exotic fruits from South America turned into powders. Crazy.
The more wild the thing is, the higher the oxalates and the higher the poisons. So you're just like
Say that again, Dagmar. Well, the more wild a fruit or a plant is, the more it will have
poisons and the more it will have oxalates because the wilder survive better. That's why
they survive because they have more poisons in them. They were the better, they were like the
big winners, you know, of the plant world. And this is where all that then also all the
plants from the ocean, from the chlorella to the spirulina to I forget what else.
And then all the jungle peanuts. Oh my God. People making so much money or selling truly
raw cashews. The list goes on and on and maca another stimulant that supposedly is really
good for your libido. It's just it's just an insane and chlorophyll. You did the chlorophyll
to Beth, right? And there's the chlorophyll, which is like basically the the the iron of the
this is like, you know, strengthen your blood with chlorophyll. Like last time I looked in
the mirror, I was not a plant. There's the yeah, the big story about chlorophyll was that it was
just one molecule away from blood. Yeah, you're feeding your blood, but it turns out to it's
so jacked in copper. When I had the worst insomnia, I would take chlorophyll before bed
every night. Well, no wonder I was. Yep. Yeah, I didn't know until this day, I finally
figured out that yes, it's stimulating. So that you know, I backed off on that. But but yeah,
the ocean plants, the the chlorellus spirulina, all the seaweed, those are ocean plants.
Yeah, very, very high in A and oxalates. And iodine, which you don't necessarily want.
And then all the slew of Chinese mushrooms. And I use them all the time. I could I would
make like the best tasting fake coffee with just Dwanwood Reishi and Chaga, and Hushi Wu, and all
these other I mean, yeah, it's Chaga, for example, create even the Chinese, like when you go to
round tea gardens store in LA, you know, the number one distributor of all these Chinese herbs.
And you ask them like about Chaga, and you say, Well, you know, how's the oxalate level on that?
They're like, Oh, no, you can't scratch crazy high. Chaga is so high oxalate that even the
Chinese doctors know about it. And people who have any even remotely close to any kind of
kidney issues, you know, they, they, they can't do Chaga. But I was thinking, Oh,
Chaga came from, you know, the Russia from, you know, the backwoods of Russia.
It must be good. It's Slavic Kosomai. You know, and so I was like, Oh, my God,
I would even get the whole mushroom, and then I would grind it down and, and I would put it
into chocolate. Oh my God. And I would the goji berries, the longan berries, I would put all
that into my chocolate along with the almond butter, the cashew butter, the walnut butter.
And they were, they were definitely good. What else did I oh, and that's the, the, the
superfoods of course, then there's the cod liver oil and the fermented cod liver oil.
You know how much that stuff costs? Oh my God. I did it for a while, but it was just so
disgusting that my instincts went like, I can't do this. And then we got the whole collagen and
gelatin craze. And then we got the, you know, probiotics, just like, you know, these, these
bottles of probiotics would have like, you know, 30 different probiotics in them. And then they
would say, Oh, and here's the prebiotics. It's all the same. Every food you eat is a prebiotic.
You know, but they found a way, Oh, this is a really good prebiotic.
All that means is, is, it's like pre, is it pre, well, it's not fiber yet,
because say sun fiber is like a prebiotic or something different.
Well, it's just food for the bacteria. Right. Right. There you go. There you go.
Should we take a quick pass at Ashwagandha? And then I'm going to respond to some of those
foods as well. Ashwagandha. Wow. Also high in A and high in oxalates.
Okay. Considered an adaptogen, right? So that's one of its claims to fame,
but high in oxalates. And what was the other one?
An A and vitamin A. There you go. There you go. Yeah.
Basically, yeah, I think it goes back to the asparagus family. But yeah. Yeah. Ashwagandha
and everybody's doing it for their hormones, you know, and the Ayurvedic people.
And I love these people. They're great. And I love the whole, the way it's set up, you know,
just like the blood type died. And I'm sure some Ayurvedic person will shoot me for this, but
but, you know, it's so beautifully laid out. And, and the whole premise is that, yes,
it's something that's been around for thousands of years. So it's got to be good.
But we're not the same people we were a thousand years ago.
And maybe this was, you know, I think they had different kind of like practices for the
emperors and different practices for the poor people. So you don't know which is which and
what its, its purpose is, you know, it's not only in the modern era that food has been used
to subdue people or to make them be functional, but not so functional that they're live long,
but functional enough that they can be our slaves and do, you know, keep the country going.
So. Exactly. Yeah, good one. I definitely took my fair share of Ashwagandha because I was in India
and that seemed like the thing to do because it was this adaptogen.
Adaptogens. It just sounds so good, you know, I know, I know exactly. Yes, see, there was
anything that, there were so many, you get the rashes and the shiitakes and all of the,
the culinary. So yeah, really, again, high in copper, all the mushrooms are high in copper.
So yeah, I stopped eating those entirely. Anything else about mushrooms that you know?
I mean, wow, I mean, you know, we all know that pretty much if you're in the woods,
don't eat the mushroom, unless you absolutely know that it's not going to kill you.
Mm hmm. I don't think they're meant for humans to eat. I think they're meant to clean the environment.
Right. Because they can. And what else was in there than there was?
Yeah, I just wanted to emphasize the cod liver oil. So you don't want to eat liver and you
don't want to eat the oil that's made from which is like, yeah, living filter of the water
to start out with. The liver is the filter of the filter. And then you make an oil,
which gives it a medium to store the poison in. The oil is like you're squeezing out the worst of
the liver. And then, and then, and then you drink it. Right. So I never went down that path.
I did eat my weight in goji berries. They were considered magical food. And now I'm thinking
about the person who turned me on to all these foods and boy, they were jacked up.
They are major nightshade. Goji berries are major nightshade, very high in oxalates and A.
I mean, you know, just look at their color, anything that's strong colored like,
like that kind of red and God knows what else, probably all kinds of phenols.
Um, same thing also with the, the super food beat craze, you know, the beat powders. I mean,
it's just great marketing, you know, nitric oxide, you're going to build your nitric
oxide with, with, with this, this beat powder because you need it because that will calm
you down. Well, just gently breathing in and out with your nose, not your mouth.
You are making your own nitric oxide in your nasal cavity. So you don't need to jack yourself up on
crazy high oxalates from the, the, the beat and A. So it's, wow. And I used to like,
I would make my, I put a little piece of beat into everything that I would blend.
There you go. I was lucky. I didn't really like beats that much. So I would have just a little
bit of a con, like a condiment now and again, I come home from the farm and I'd have one beat
and people look at me like, what's wrong with you? And yeah, I didn't like carrot
either. I would have about one a year, same kind of effect just for an orange thing on the plate.
And yeah, just didn't like that. So all right, well, that's a lot of good information there.
Sorry, David Avocado Wolf, but yeah. And he's a, you know, he's an okay guy, you know, he's a,
it's like, like I said in the beginning, nobody ever, we never perceive ourselves as
the villain in our own story. Right. We're trying to do something good. We're trying to,
you know, like that's all I ever want is to, to share, you know, what my intentions are very good.
Yeah. Unless you're a psychopath, you can't harm knowingly. You won't be able to do that,
especially not for a long time, but it's going to hard to say where it goes off the rails.
And where money is concerned, that can be quite a pain killer. So if you're suffering
on the inside due to some moral conflict, conflict of some kind, the money might
dull the pain, let's say. And, and, and, you know, forgive me. The guy sells ivermectin.
No. Yes. And to the tune of, I mean, I heard 10 million dollars.
Well, I know he's going to come after me. I said that on X one day,
and then he suddenly followed me and I'm like, Oh, David on my track here. But like,
how can you justify that? Promoting everything natural, natural, natural. But all of a sudden,
oh, this drug is the bomb. But here's the catch, though. All that natural, natural,
natural is really no different than ivermectin. I mean, that's the whole point of these super
foods, you know, or just eating tons of vegetables, you know, yeah, they're natural.
But as we know, like tobacco is a pesticide. Coffee is a pesticide. It's natural, right?
So there's that other layer. So you really can't blame that on anyone because it's so deeply ingrained,
you know, in us. It's so a part of our life, you know, the whole bringing tea from China, tea,
another crazy high oxalate, tannins and a, I think tea is high in a too, right? I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, probably would depend on which one. I know Ruobos very high because it's like that bright red
regular tea, you know, chai tea, black tea, green tea, white tea, all of them are high in oxalates
and caffeine, right? Which is a pesticide, right? So when you I mean, it's it's almost like sacrilege
to say what our tea ceremony or our coffee break or our, you know, afternoon crumpets and tea,
are you saying that that's not good? No, it's a beautiful we have so many beautiful rituals
that come from this, you know, that are part of our that it's passed on. So it's really hard to
how do you how do you address that, you know, with most normal people would be like,
what kind of a, you know, what do you call the person who goes against religion and then they
burn them heretic like being a heretic? Yep, exactly. So let's get to know. Yeah,
you were saying also just about how they use the foods and the diets and everything and we
think about our history. Oh, well, the grandpa did it or the great grandpa did it and that
must be good. And then so the beer was specifically designed to take the strong men out. They would
they apparently it was in the monasteries and the male monks were were using the beer
to take their testosterone out because it's intensely estrogenic. Oh, make them soft and
squishy and have no aggression whatsoever, our ability to defend themselves. And then,
you know, what it it beer is considered a man's drink. Wow. Isn't that amazing, though? I love
your words, soft and squishy. Yeah, it's a man's drink makes you soft and squishy.
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, back to just a comment in about psilocybin here. The very reason that
you get high on psilocybin is because your liver has been poisoned. That's exact reason
I had a boyfriend that was smart enough to know that the biochemistry of the psychedelics,
that's how they work. They poison you. And so then you have to contend with that. And personally,
to me, the the juice of that is not worth the squeeze anymore. There was there was a time where
I felt like it was but I don't want to be damaged by my spiritual inner work and or never
mind entertainment. That's something so yeah, I used to throw up your milk assembly. I'm sorry
to hear that Jackie. It sucks. And golden milk. I never I never went for it. I heard about it.
Everybody thought it was so great. I never I would buy turmeric. I wouldn't use it.
They make an LA they sell at the farmers market. They sell a golden kefir where they make
a kefir with turmeric in it. So gross. Yeah, exactly. All I can't believe the how that must taste.
So no, I don't know why I just did not go for the turmeric. I ended up buying a storing the
turmeric for the apocalypse famine. And yes, now in the graveyard of all my foods and supplements,
I don't eat anymore. And you find it hard to believe. Well, that's that's the interesting
part. You might not take it. He just sells it. Right. He might not take it. And it's part of this
is a little bit of a point I was going to make that because all of those, you know, coconut,
raw chocolate, mocha, the chlorella, the cod liver oil, the collagen, the everything,
it's taken the same exact way allopathic medicine prescribes. Oh, you got this ill,
take this, you know, natural remedy. But it's the same thing. It's, it's arthritis,
take your collagen. That's right. It's pointing a gun at a symptom. And so the then then flipping
over to ivermectin isn't such a big stretch. Yeah, no, right. You're right. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, you're very welcome. And turmeric also very high in oxalates. Yeah, I just hate that
stuff. I like I said, I would buy it and not use it. It would sit on the counter and
rot away. And I'm like, Oh, okay, I guess I, you know, won't buy that for a little while until I
forget. I'm saving all those. I still have like bags of various, you know, clothes, turmeric,
curry. I'm saving it for the zombies. When they come, there you go, big turmeric balls and
began here. Yeah, put, make it in chocolate. Nice containment chocolate. Yes, yes, yes,
absolutely. I know. I still have chocolate. I haven't touched it now for four years. But
but I still have some and cacao butter and cacao paste. And yeah, what's up with cacao, by the way,
say, is there the cacao for cacao butter? We have no caffeine in it. But is there what's
what would be wrong with it other than the high fat? Oh, yeah, I stayed with that. You know,
I talk myself into all just make white chocolate, which which I did. But I would then put Chinese
mushrooms in it. And it would taste like real chocolate. And it, you know, gave it a little
coloring with the chaga in it. I think it still has that terrible fat in it. And some other other
things. It's just not it's just not worth eating it. You know, yeah, I put one of those raw
chips in my mouth a few months after starting the love your liver. And it was so bitter and
disgusting. I'm like, did this go bad? Or this is how it really tastes? And I'm just I'm just noticing
it now. Okay, I couldn't figure it out. So yeah, recommending the turmeric for arthritis,
which it will cause, right, like it will literally build up the vitamin A is a nemesis to
your to your joints. And it's a big part of the anti inflammatory diet. That's another diet.
You know, tried for a very short time. But yeah, I know.
Yeah, when inflammation is considered to be the enemy, it's like, but what caused the
inflammation, you guys, come on, we got to take one more step, figure that out.
Yeah. And then the black pepper Jackie, I realized that was poisoned because in India,
I owed deed in a restaurant. They just use way too much black pepper in this little Southern
India corner of, what was it? Probably Kerala. And I would, I would just have a big reaction
every time I ate their food. So I knew that black pepper was not for me. I never used it
on my food otherwise and walked away from it. But yeah, definitely.
It sort of is similar like fulvic acid, the black pepper helps to absorb other poisons.
That's why they always say when you do turmeric must do some black pepper with it.
So that it will absorb better. Like, oh, great, great. And it's also black pepper is very high
in oxalate. Like the oxalate people will say, do white pepper? Well, okay, it's lower in oxalates,
but there's other stuff in there. Right, right. Yeah. And taste terrible. Come on, you guys.
Well, that needs, what does that dose kind of stimulating foods? What do they do? They kind
of hit you like a sharp like, mm, you know, you feel it's that need to, and we've been so trained.
I mean, this is, I'm really, you know, a heretic against Western civilization in what I'm saying
here, you know, because we've been trained to be stimulated and have a high from it, you know,
from the kind of programs we watch from the news itself, right? So, so the, the, the spices
and all that they give us that hit of what we it's like we're repeating the pattern that's been kind
of put into our everyday life, not because it's natural. We shouldn't be that stimulated unless
we're, you know, being chased by some, you know, lion or something. Yeah, then we shouldn't be
stimulated and fully alert, but not the way we are in everyday, you know, modern life. It's
a lot. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, you don't want the phone to ring and then you go into like
hyper, hyperfighting flight mode. So yeah, yeah. And would there be copper? I don't know,
particularly about the black pepper. I wouldn't doubt it, but I don't know. You can always ask
your chat GPT and verify in case they're lying. What's that? The chat GPT really knows.
Yeah, it can, but it should be verified. Absolutely. Every little bit of data,
if you want to call it knowledge has to be verified. They are known for lying. They've
misattributed two quotes to me. I said this and then when I said I didn't say that, they're like,
oh, oops, sorry. They're like programmed to apologize. So that's really funny.
All right, so we are only at 15. I bet we're not going to finish today.
But if you think that you might be available to do one more.
I would love to do one more and get to some of the, really get into some of these,
which are more recent decade. Yeah, because there's some good ones in there.
Yeah. Yeah, I wonder is that a good place to leave it for now? And we can just chat a bit
since it's already 10 minutes to the second hour. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know that went really fast.
Wow. That really went so fast. Okay. Yeah. And if anyone has any questions, so yeah, we'll have to,
because one week today is which kind of day, something like Christmas. Is it the day after
Christmas? So your boxing day, it's not the best, but we can just get together and talk and see if
you want to do an episode that day. I'm fine with it, but I don't know what your schedule is.
I barely have any plans. I don't have friends. I don't have family.
I do have friends actually, but I have family. I just don't see them,
and I don't get invited to the dinners. No bitterness over here or anything like that.
And which is fine. It's all good. Black pepper kills bacteria. It's probably why
they loved it in India. Kills good stuff too. Exactly. This is the kind of thinking you
want to. We were totally brainwashed with that. Oh, it kills bacteria. Therefore, put it in your
mouth. I'm still a little on the edge with silver, even though Garrett is very into silver. Oh,
and let's make sure to answer that question that came up at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, so think it away. What's your response? Yeah, let's do that exactly. So someone asked
us last time on the way out, and I promised to answer this, that, oh, you meant copper and
the cow butter. Yeah, I'm kind of guessing too. So on the way out, because we sound like we are in
the cult of Garrett Smith. I know we do. I know, because there's been an awakening. There has
been like, aha. And but it's not because he makes sense when he talks. It's because what
he says makes sense in my body. I have never in my life been able to walk like it's always been 90%
mystery. And that's what pushed me to really develop the mental, spiritual, emotional work,
because that's all I had. I didn't even have truth at the level of health. I was always a big
question mark. And so having found things that not only make scientific verifiable
through the medical research from many different angles, it's not just, oh, one article said this,
it's not like that. It is a compare and a contrast. The guy provides all the receipts,
the exact links to the exact papers, and he talks through them and he helps you to learn
so that you yourself could start to understand without being dependent on him. Now, I don't have
to go to him with every question. I can literally go to the medical research and do justice
to a degree. I don't want to overstate that ability yet, but it's growing. And so if I can
verify and I can gain control over my health, then I get excited. I'm like, wow, this is new,
better late than never. This is who knows how long my life is after this could be longer.
We've been joking a few of us in the back end that somebody was saying to me yesterday,
maybe we'll be the last three people on earth after, you know, if we make this experiment
and we maintain health beyond what other people are able to do may or may not happen. Someone
just wrote me, oh my 70 year old one friend is doing fantastic doing all the wrong things.
Can you explain that? And that's like, no, I can't. And I don't know her and I don't understand
the ins and outs or her life and her history or anything like I literally could say nothing
about that. And it's possible she has a miraculous relationship with God. And there's
something that that trumps everything. All healing is the grace of the divine at the end of the
day. But there's a lot more knowledge that that we could have. We're just in a in a place
in history that Garrett's work is unique. There isn't anyone that says what he's saying. They
haven't made the same discoveries about toxic bile theory, which became toxic bile paradigm
because of the incredible reliability. Here's another major thing is that because he doesn't
work with one person or just ideas and push around ideas, he has people that hire him
and rely on him. And it's not just once you go to see him and then you move on,
like a lot of the practitioners, we're there for six months at a time. I'm now signed up for 18
months into the future. Why? Not because I'm in trouble. It's because the quality of the education
is unparalleled. I go every single time to his office hours, even though it's in the middle of
my day, it's it's a very, if you could call it expensive time, I could be doing something
really productive with that time. But I am because I'm getting I'm getting the goods and I'm getting to
see through many people's eyes, their wins, their their struggles to to see how it goes. And and
you become a detective for yourself for others. He doesn't push the supplements down your throat.
He's not shilling his brand. Yes, they are a high quality that that he himself wants to take. That's
probably what started them making their own supplements, because they weren't finding the
quality that they wanted. But you know, if I want to make my own magnesium oil, it's a simple
recipe, and they provide it. So it's, you know, it's not much of a money making business,
although he is a very good entrepreneur. He sells very well. You won't get a single email that doesn't
have a link to a product. So he takes care of himself that way. He's got a big ship to run.
And is this the only approach to me? It's just the one that makes sense. And it's a growing
paradigm is a growing body of knowledge. We've seen over our time of involvement how he comes
out with new research. Kelsey is a ground breaker. If you didn't see the interview from
yesterday, Kelsey, Kenny, when there's a problem, she dives in to the cell and the molecular
biology side of things and discovers, you know, what has been either buried or demonized like
MSG. So this is a team I want to be on. They are forward thinking. They are hugely compassionate.
I hear like, you know, Garrett could be such a jerk to a lot of people who are stuck. And they
can't have a new thought. And maybe every week they're having the same thought. And that
happens, right? Like it's, I hear myself do it's like, Oh, I want to ask that question
again, that I already asked 50 times. And I still want to ask it because there's something,
you know, some other factor here. But he's nothing but kind and patient and compassionate.
And, you know, I've been through some hellish stuff too in this last year. And they were there
for me. They didn't slough me off or say like, Oh, you know, save it for this time or that
time. He has good boundaries, but he also has a very big heart. So anything you want to add to that?
I just want to, I love what everything you said. You're so eloquent. The education.
See, to me, this is this is what distinguishes this from many other things that I have done
that even, you know, you, I don't need any of his supplements. I love them. And I use some of them.
But there's no need for them. Like I keep going down to base one, which is just the food.
You know, that's like, that's my resting place. And
the education, the being able to connect like we only got halfway through my stuff, you know,
when when I connect some of the ones that we will talk about next week, those get, I got,
I continue to get more and more and more scientific as I went on and on. And
originally someone told me about Garrett and they asked me to debunk him
because they just were getting into their raw cream and their raw dairy and all that. And
they were like, you have to debunk him. I go, no problem. And I, and as I dove into it,
just to dive into it, I realized like, oh, there's more education here. And I kept going
and going. And I realized I started to connect all the things that I had done in the past specifically
in a scientific way, you know, when did which symptoms show up and how I kept being misled?
Like I've done so many bad things, but I was fine, you know, up until a certain point,
then I do something else. And I never would connect them. I wouldn't connect like what
happened, when and why. And his education and the and also grand general's three books,
which I read his free PDFs, or truly like just gave me, I mean, that's why I can't hide my
enthusiasm about, you know, what I learned, because so many things that not only in my life,
but in my family's life, I saw how things shifted when we started to add more copper.
And when we started to add tons and tons of a, and when we started to when we would take something
away, I would see how things changed and how some would improve and some will get worse.
But what I love is that I can go that Garrett has given us tools to go on PubMed.
You know, you're not going to some strange hidden, you know, you just go on PubMed and you
there's so much amazing research there. You know, now how to read that research,
I feel so much more confident about that. And just understanding that what that I mean,
I never even thought of bile and never even occurred to me, right? You know, to put that
together and to be thinking about like, Oh, so this is already by itself, the most toxic substance
in our body. And then we all have a certain recipe of that. And that basically we're just
trying to get it to not be super crazy toxic, you know, by not putting in more toxins, just
let it do its thing of removing daily type of stuff, but not have to deal with the burden
of constantly adding more and more. So once I grasped the whole bio thing, I was like, wow,
how could I have missed that? But then it's easy, you know, because, you know, even if you go take
biology or even I was pre-med. So I and I still missed it. I still missed it. And I didn't get into
it like that. But now that I have that in my pocket, I can look at all the other things
that I've done and see why they worked it or why they didn't. So anyway, so I just think that I just,
I don't think this is the only thing. But I think that right now it is for me the only thing that
is able to put an umbrella over everything that I have done over 48 years and tried, you know,
it's like the only umbrella that can capture it all and put it into perspective.
And that I'm experiencing it and seeing what it does. So yeah, yeah, beautiful. Thank you. I
appreciate that hearing from you. And yeah, it's a it's a good team. It's a good team. There's
there's good people in there that that's also one of the ways that I evaluate the efficacy
of a practitioner is who is surrounded? You know, what are the quality of the people
that are around? Are they, you know, willing to actually research? Or do they just want to
listen to somebody say that they're doing the research and and with no worry of like opening
a link or following up on anything? Never mind the detective work in yourself. And that's now
now, I can't believe how low my my standards were for research.
Crazy. Oh, boy, that's embarrassing. But but now, you know, the first thing I'm going to do is,
okay, like what what's what evidence do you actually have? And it's not going to be just
like so and so said, or the YouTube said, or like, let's let's actually see comparative
literature, where studies were actually done. And that's one thing I appreciate too,
because you asked I asked a lot of questions in that form. And they will just say there's
no research on it. Maybe they'll have a guess or an opinion or something like that. But the
first thing is like, there's no research on that, I kept trying to get them to answer me about
the topical use of things like magnesium and niacin and and it's or metals, because I got
myself a zinc bracelet in case I could tolerate the zinc wearing it, but there's just no research
to go back and they will admit they will not just admit that, but they will be very
forthright, not leading you to believe things that have no basis. So it's a it's a very non
religious non belief base. Oh, trust the faith, trust the process or they're not trust the faith,
but you know, have faith in the in the process kind of thing. It's that's none of that. It's
much more science based. And I appreciate that so much. We should do a short intro of
that for the upcoming bio podcast. Yeah, yeah, that's a smart idea. I think we're doing
that tomorrow early in the morning. Not my best time, I tell you, but I'll have to,
I don't know what I'll do to, I might have to drink coffee tomorrow
to stimulate or what is some I'll take some other poison to stimulate me
in the morning, which I probably don't need. I'll get on my vibrate. Oh, I got a vibration
plate by the way, thanks to you. Oh, wow. Yeah, because you sent me that workout,
the 10 minute workout that she does on a vibration plate. Oh, I do it on my little
trampoline. I vibrate myself. Excellent. Yeah, yeah, it's a really good tool. I'm pretty excited
about that. I also got a sauna blanket. I'm not as happy with that. I have to say at first I was
thrilled just because I thought I had fixed my my sweating, you know, desire to sweat more.
But it's it's not that good. I don't know. I'm going to experiment with it a little over
the weekend. And I just don't sweat that easily. So somehow, I don't know, have you tried anything
like that? I have I have a infrared sauna that I do go I also show sauna. It takes me quite a while
to to break into a sweat. It does too. Okay. Yeah. Okay, that's good to hear. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe
next week, could we also talk about I would love to share just a little bit about the butteco
breathing. Totally. Technique because I think I can kind of sum it up. It's really good. It's a
wonderful addition to to Garrett's work and also what Kelsey was talking about yesterday.
You know, the breathing and it's very simple and you can just do it anytime anywhere while
you're driving walking, you know. Yeah. Fantastic. I put it on the list for next time. So
yeah, we'll keep you guys posted if it's going to be one week today on Boxing Day.
I think it could be okay, but I don't know yet for sure. So stay tuned. If you're not already a
subscriber at my website, you could go there and sign up for King Hero archetype quiz or
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we're going to have 20 second coming up. We'll see you guys Monday here for Alex Michael, who is the
conspiracy music guru. We're going to be talking Sulfedio. I don't talk frequencies with very
many people because it's not it's not what I cracked it up today. We could probably put
that on the list or, you know, the frequency machines and stuff like that. I think maybe we
sort of covered that last time. Oh, actually, you know, that's that that that that is kind of a
health cult too. It really is. We should do a little bit a little little with that. Yeah.
Okay. It's on it's on the list for sure. Exactly. Yeah. And yeah, breathing is good.
Breathing is very, very good, right? That's that you you can live with two days without food and you
can live well two days without water. I think what is it? No, no, it's much much. No, it's like 10
days. It's much longer without food and a little less water and then with breath. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like minutes. Yeah, it's over for you. So yeah, breathing super important and
it is a good part of healing. That's something that I've learned to do, especially when people are
immobilized in any way that maybe you can't jump on that trampoline, but you can like, you know,
just do this on it and and and breath work, which will move your system. When I was really
sick a few years back, I moved my lymph with the breath every day, every day, every day, all day,
breathing and breathing and breathing have a really strong diaphragm now, actually. Yeah, yeah,
there there can be some I'll put I'll put that on the list. Well, because there's so many misconceptions
where people think carbon dioxide is bad and oxygen is good. And to understand that you need a
certain level of carbon dioxide to make the oxygen actually be able to to be integrated into
your tissues, you know, so that and the intake of breathing really it's it's it's quite a trip.
It's quite a yeah. Okay, yes, we'll add the pranayam to the talk about breathing. Okay,
fantastic. Good. Well, thank you very much. Honestly, I couldn't have done justice to
a lot of this and more to come. So I really appreciate that that you could come and do
this and and keep going with me. I took a couple for the team. All the diets that I've done.
Exactly. Exactly. Now we get your lived wisdom, which truly is an expertise of kinds. So yeah,
I think that's all for today. You can find me at BethMartens.com. And there are a number of
ways to get involved. The creator code course is going to be starting in January on the 14th.
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that's going to be a lot of fun. And thank you very much everyone for coming. Thanks again.
I'm going to play us out. And I think that's all ready to go. So lots of love. Dagmar
you too, Beth. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye for now.