ARPA net is was the precursor to the internet so they're deeply involved with the foundations for
these technologies. Total information awareness was about creating a system where anything that's
happening in the world could be measured and tracked and then simulated and so there was other
projects like sentient world simulation which would see the impacts of operations like
political changes and how people would react. This is the True Health Report where critical
appraisal fuels true freedom. Hello everyone and welcome to the True Health Report. I'm your host
Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Now today we're going to be covering a very important topic that I have
certainly been making content about in recent months and I want to first caution the audience
this can lead to some dark thinking and some negative emotions so we're going to focus a lot
in the second half of the interview on solutions so stick around because that's where the optimism
and hope come into play to balance out the unfortunate aspects of the truth about the
technology and surveillance state that we are currently living in. Now I heard about
today's guest Hakim Anwar through a couple of recent interviews he has done with Alex Eck and
with the Corbett Report and he has created excellent resources that are a big part of the
solution and that's really why I wanted to bring him on and then he also is a young man
who is already working in the truth space and trying to preserve and create an amazing future
for his generation and for his progeny and that really impresses me so welcome to the True Health
Report Hakim. Andy thank you so much for having me on I'm getting used to calling you Andy I want
to say Dr. Andy that feels like a balance but it's great to be here and good to meet you.
Well you know listen these titles right don't necessarily bestow any respect that should be
automatic in my opinion and you know we are at the same level we're not there's no hierarchy
here I may be older and more experienced but you know you have probably more potential
to change things in the future so that equalizes us on my terms. Hakim why don't you
tell us a little bit about how you came into this topic and decided to focus your career on
you know such a different pursuit than the mainstream. Yeah well I've always been a black sheep
and I started using computers at a very young age too young I'd say now looking 20 years in the
past and so at the height of my career I was a software engineer making websites web applications
mobile applications I lived in New York City and this was the height of everything I thought I had
everything there is a general aspiration to want to be a good software engineer and work your way
into one of the big four tech companies fang as we called it and I was already awake by this
time so I was a bit of a black sheep and then I finally saw that all the things I had been
researching and going down rabbit holes online was true it was happening and it was happening
right then in 2020 so I saw the city really just crumble when a matter of months and I decided hey
I'm not going to stay here and build this prison around me I moved back home and luckily I had
friends like Derek Rose of freedom cell network and he asked hey do you want to help out with
this project and basically what it was was like a social network a Facebook for free-to-minded people
and so seeing kind of this data behind the scenes as I built the website I realized like whoa this
is the true power of technology and this this information all this connection that's happening
here is sacred and how can I protect that I was already a pretty paranoid person and then
just it kind of sent me forward this is what I can do to help people as you've you've shown
in your work we can we can take ownership of our own health and we can educate ourselves
and we can start working outside of the system right and everyone's doing that but the problem is
they're doing that with corrupted technology and so that's I started educating I have a
educational initiative called take back our tech so started teaching people how to
install Linux on their laptops which software they should use and also on the phone side I
really wanted to know how actually the surveillance works and not let it be like a scary black box
so I did a lot of research on mobile privacy and from the learnings I had good ideas and
we ended up using a phone between the team to communicate and I realized like okay there's
enough of a need for this and so we started above which is the company well now hakeem and
we're gonna definitely talk about above right which makes privacy devices like phones and
tablets I believe but you know how did you said you were going you you were working right for
big tech as a software developer and you were going down rabbit holes like tell us a little
bit more about what you mean there yeah I mean it started all the way back in college and
just you know the sinker the serendipity of meeting someone and they turn out to be a good
friend and mentor to you and being told about the military industrial complex and the medical
industrial complex and the vaccine schedules and how all of these things work and just if
you're if you are ready for the knowledge it should completely change your worldview and so
you know I have a business degree but I also got a degree
self-titled degree and alternative thinking and so then when I ended up in the workforce
finally I never really fit in but you know I went all the way deep down to deep underground
military bases the potential for alien on the planet you know just just all the way down
right now when you were when you were in your courses did you ever raise any of these
topics or were you like living a parallel life that was kind of on the sly yeah early on it was
conspiratting it to me it's just the darkness of what was going on and that it was hidden for so
many people that's what attracted me kind of the occult knowledge and I wanted to know for
myself and I didn't know I could ever do anything about it right it's this massive beast of a
system that has even entrapped the people that are working inside its hierarchy so it was kind of like
yeah it's good to know um it wasn't until the lockdowns happened and there was that fear energy in the
air and then I saw people walking around in Mexico freely saying hey there's no no lockdowns here
and I was like it just snapped something for me like we can do we can do something about
this we can live our lives in a different way that's amazing so it was during that time
that you decided to actually make a career change in a body this truth in all your pursuits instead of
sort of having this um divide or or dissonance right between because you know I've met many people
right since I've been speaking out publicly in the truth space and there there are a number of
folks who know about all these topics right and have found the truth but then they're you
working for a defense contractor or a hospital laboratory right and still like participating
in the system and maybe maybe feel trapped right but you found a way out were there sacrifices you
had to make on that journey yeah most definitely everyone in my family thought I was crazy for
doing what I was doing they didn't understand I you know I had to move back in with my parents
and my friends didn't understand they were making you know they were making a half
million dollars a year working at the companies they were working on and I just thought like so
I'll uh I'll just say to people if you're working in these roles it's not like you have to quit tomorrow
but where is it all going do you have a plan is it a bridge and so I did skirt two worlds for
a long period of time and then when I was given a platform to speak and I started sharing some
of the things on my mind about big technology companies and the government and the unfairness
the injustice the corruption at a certain point I was like okay you went too far you're black bald
like don't even think don't even think about going back and then I was like and then there was kind
of the desperation now you need to figure it out and luckily there was because I was of service
and there had good people around me there you know the it was just very easy it opened up
I can't say it was like it was easy to figure out what direction to go but it took a few years
of trying and really working hard for it to take off well that's an amazing story and you know anyone
who is an entrepreneur is going to go through this journey right even if you're not going into a
more free and truthful space when you were working with uh Derek Broza's organization you
mentioned right you were uh developing a social media app right that was going to be freedom oriented
and privacy oriented and that helped you see from the developer's perspective like the corruptibility
of having people's personal data yeah and well I'm just wondering if you researched it all about
like the origins of you know MySpace and Facebook and it you know do the end also
they're whistleblowers from those organizations right so did you know did was there a connection
that you were able to make that people maybe even intentionally developed them for that purpose
it became very self-evident I wouldn't say I was an export before I came in I just intuitively
knew that this feels wrong but when I really it took taking the actions and then building
the website and then trying to promote it on like social networks and search engines and
ranking on search engines then I saw that there was a there was an agenda to hide it to hide it
and discredit it get it deranked it was really weird I mean I've been fighting with hackers
and spammers since day one simply from being affiliated with it and it made my life a nightmare
in some cases and I had to do all-nighters and stuff like that but I just knew hey there's a lot of
like resistance here and so I think that helped me understand and start to do the research and
of course I learned about Facebook and its origins and you know it's a continuation of
total information awareness and I understood pretty quickly how this public-private partnership
works can you can you tell us a little bit more about that term that you mentioned now
total information awareness sure so this was a this was a DARPA project at really that's the
defense research project right DARPA that they do experimental work military applications and such
absolutely and I mean they're you know ARPA net is was the precursor to the internet so they're
deeply involved with the foundations for these technologies which there's a lot to impact there
so they were working on many different things but this project total information awareness was
about creating a system where anything that's happening in the world could be measured
and tracked and then simulated and so there was other projects like sentient world simulation
which would see the impacts of operations like political changes and how people would react so
that was the concept I I don't know how far they ever got in building it there's obviously
plans and concepts well it seems to me like that the current applications of AI and like
volunteers for example kill chain application would be embodiments of that principle yeah you
you hit the nail on the head and you've got it exactly right this past year has been really important
because the paradigm has shifted before they're really they they didn't have the resources or time
to glue together millions of different sources of data there's not really unified way to do it
and so they've been working on this private model and big data as a as an industry has evolved
enough to where Palantir could come in and say hey we're doing it with police departments
we're doing it with the military and so now I just this paradigm that you described with
Palantir right where many different sources of data can be standardized and glued in
to one data lake is I call it universal surveillance so it doesn't matter where you are
it like just to give an example so it's like a hardware store can make a private contract
with the police department because it's you know it's better for them oh they want to make
shoppers safer so they will give their cameras over and then it can all be fed into one system
that can so in other words you can get you know warrantless surveillance
right through private companies actually infringing upon your fourth amendment protections right
but it sidesteps it because they're not the government doing this yeah you got it exactly
right and of course they have deep partnerships with the government I mean some of their
executive suite is part of the US military as lieutenant colonels so they're very very intimate
with each other and no one can say what goes behind the scenes but it's it's fairly obvious
but right this this reminds me of the airline requirements during COVID to wear a mask or
to show that you had a negative COVID test if you left the country right the the government
it was illegal for them to actually collect that health information or to give medical advice so they
entered into contracts with the airlines and the airlines you know receive money from the
government and then they had their employees actually carry out this violation of privacy
right because that way it can all happen without anyone getting in too much trouble
yeah it's all quid pro quo so you scratch my back I'll scratch yours hey I'll give you an $80
billion bailout just make sure you lock down people's travel and you follow our requirements
for travel I mean it's spot on so every big industry is corrupted it almost makes me want
to say after a certain point of money wealth success reach that you have to play this game
I'm sure venture capitalist funding you know private equity firms have something in that this is why
kind of I think as entrepreneurs today you really need to be careful about who you accept money from
right and not to give your your your company away because it can be used against you and
then be used to control other people and you know make sure you read every line of a contract
there are two things I want to mention here like one I want to ask you you mentioned
integrating the data from multiple different data sets right so in practical terms like if you are
an American and you're worried about them tracking you this way what are the sources of data that
they're inputting into their AI models yeah so the the most primary source info I can give you
is from police departments using Palantir's Gotham and so Los Angeles police department is one really
big one and so is this the what came out of the pilot in New Orleans yeah yeah so yeah New Orleans is
using that same software this this Gotham software to give more context is kind of like the universal
surveillance for police departments within a city it's one of the flagship products of
Palantir offers it's used in New Orleans for predictive policing right and it's used in many
police departments across the United States and I think many more that we just don't know about
because there hasn't been a FOIA request but in Los Angeles they had a system that was feeding
from every traffic camera from every police department from universities cameras at the
universities themselves from libraries and those are all public institutions but I
so so that's one aspect and so what they could do with this system is if they have a list of
suspects well one they're feeding from Department of Motor Vehicles or Department of Public
Services so they have information on everyone and what car they're driving so let's say you're
John Smith and the date of birth as well right and contact information exactly last known address
even who's in your family associates the systems are built to track all of it so let's say I want to
find John Smith and suspicion for some sort of crime okay hey where's John Smith at all right
well let's look we know what car he's driving let's see if it got flagged at any traffic camera
around the city oh we saw one today at 2 p.m going this way so he's there and then you can actually
click and drill into him and see all right who is John associated with what's been what's shown up on
police reports that you know other people have been involved who are his close family members
what cars do they drive where do they live where do they work so it can go on and on and on
and it's supposed to assist with any investigation but it's obviously such a powerful tool how could
you trust so much data and power in the hands of a police department and who are they sharing
that data with is it feeding to a central federal level Palantir database I think those
are the questions we should be asking ourselves now what about other sources of information
like social media posts for example or utility bills banking things like that
I don't so I couldn't say to you that that is for sure happening but everything is fair game
this is a private contract between two private companies you know facilitated by
the local government but any two companies can make a data sharing agreement it's very it's
very common it's very standard so there's no reason why Palantir or the police department couldn't
couldn't decide hey like what's the budget to get the water services department okay let's reach out
to them or let's something set something up so that there is a regular ongoing process
where they send the data in I don't know how useful that would be like they kind of
decide their own objectives but the thing we're going to see over the next two years
is this grow and grow into more things this is a good like this is a good example of
something that I know for sure is happening flock cameras which are automatic license plate readers
this is not Palantir this is a separate company doing this there's multiple companies trying to
do this and what their cameras are set up to do is to look at a car and pick up the make
model license plate of course uh even like if it's got a ding in the door it's got a dent
bumper stickers and they have uh this was what happened a few months ago home depots and like
around the entire country are using this technology in their parking lot so if you drive to a home
depot like you're on that database somewhere right right and it's actually more than that
right because HOAs have contracts with for flock cameras right other facilities like maybe
assisted living facilities and such like that right and of course police departments and municipalities
that are using it for traffic purposes so so there's you know a growing uh dragnet essentially of
scanning this uh your license plate now there's some controversy about this on on the interweb
so to speak but in your opinion could the flock cameras be modified in their software to
also recognize facial features there's no reason why they wouldn't and why they couldn't
but they're probably the the types of cameras there are they're probably much farther back you might
need more better optical quality at range so I think it would be easy for them right once they
have the agreement in place it's very easy for them to produce another camera and if you
want to see how many cameras they have you can use a website like deflock.me so let's use
let's use colorado as an example this is really crazy andy like try to get around it's like a game
this is a website called deflock.me they publish a freedom of information act request
and so you can actually go down okay it's a pretty big city you can go down to individual
cameras and see where they're pointing and then uh I want to create a game out of this right
hey go through the city without being spotted now do you know about the Chinese artist who did that
no I don't actually yeah so I I don't have the name or the details uh in front of me right now
but um I included it in a recent master class so it's an artist and he mapped out like a two
block path to walk without being caught by a surveillance camera because you know in in China
right you're being watched everywhere and the and they have facial recognition and social credit system
so it was like this most circuitous route you know take two side steps then one back
they you know turn around 180 degrees you know make a semicircle and he had a group of like
20 people following him including some children you know like families and such so that they
could just walk two blocks without being surveilled and he had a lot of negative repercussions from
the Chinese authorities about this after the fact but um but you know it's like that that's the state
of things right and it seems like our government wants to model themselves off of China you know
China has one of the highest rates of CCTV cameras per person in the world we're we're
the good news is it does seem like it's concentrated more in the city's state they're not even trying
but there is also nothing stopping them so um yeah like you nailed it Andy you know right now
this infrastructure is being rolled out if the laws change this is going to be part of the
grid that holds people accountable so um it's it's very scary to to think about um and um
yeah in terms of solutions you know I know there's uh there's people who want to just take
down these cameras and I I say that that's probably not the right solution because they
will just go and put up another one and then you'll probably get in trouble as as well for that
yes as tempting it as it would be to get your shotgun and take those cameras out it's
not advised and it probably will be illegal because already for example if you try to cover
your license plate with you know even some kind of coating or something to fool the flock readers
that's actually already against the law on the books so you can end up with criminal charges for
these things it's it's a scary world we're moving into and and I I have faith in that
all this preparation you know it's it's a sign of desperation from their part and something
big is coming that no one could predict and this is their way of really hanging on to their power
let me ask you how important do you think the digital ID is in the development of this
full on surveillance state yeah digital ID will will make it possible and this is a good point
you meant you asked earlier about um biometric recognition so if enough people give their
biometrics out which a digital ID essentially can be created for you if you give over your biometric
identity along with your legal identity at the same time so when that happens and you give it over
there's nothing else that needs to happen that a digital ID can be created for you
the government can create it for you and have it on hand to be used within these cameras
but I think that digital ID is the next COVID level scam I recently did a digital ID report
where I looked at digital ID around the world so I looked at all the different continents and I
wanted to answer is there a place you can go that is not doing this and the answer was no
not unless you go to a super war-torn country or you go to the amazon rainforest it's happening
everywhere um and now are you familiar with um there's a very small country in uh central
africa a landlocked country that opted out of the digital ID in terms of uh dealing with the the
un and then their imf loans were pulled but they decided to create their own voluntary digital
ID where they guarantee privacy um are you familiar with that story at all or actually
I'm not that didn't come up in my research I'm I'm interested in and learning about it
well I'll definitely send you the details but you know is it even possible to have this
type of technology and still preserve privacy like you know you're qualified to answer that
question I think yeah it it um they position it as if you are in control of what information
you're share but just like with every other piece of technology they built it'll be very opaque
you don't really understand how the internals work and if there are safety guidelines it's it's uh
if there are trace safety guidelines you have to trust that they will follow them
and you have no way to verify it sound familiar it sounds familiar right it's like
what we just went through the past five years right and even if let's say that there is
an honest government that puts this into place well what happens when the next government comes
into power right they could totally change it uh and maybe not even tell you about it right so so we
have to really it sounds like we we really need to protect our information now you mentioned that
the recipe for a digital ID right is your biometric data plus your legal form of ID
simultaneously being collected right now the place that I think of immediately where that occurs
is at the airport with tsa's voluntary facial scanning program yeah it it does happen there
you're you're right and I didn't even think about that I mean of course the facial scanning
of the tsa airport but to think about it being an ingress to digital id um that's now possible
though what I was thinking more about were the banks but absolutely at the airports you know if
you're in one of those programs what do they call it tsa precheck or clear you there's enough
information there to create a digital id for you and what I believe is going to happen which
is the same thing that happened with contact tracing I think 2027 there's going to be more of a push
like okay hey we have we have the technology hey there's all these businesses accepting it now use
it come on guys use it and oh hey you already we have this information on file for you we went
ahead and created you one so that's what happened in Italy they created 40 million uh digital
IDs just because they had people's biometrics it's what they did in Denmark as well so it's
very important to really keep your your person sacred and avoid uh avoid this combination of
your legal and biometrics being handed over now like some people have pushed back and said
hey but I mean when you're walking around the street or these flock cameras they could
collect your biometrics right well they can but it doesn't my my thought is that it doesn't
create the concrete legal precedent they need to actually make digital ID a useful thing to
actually say hey this is that person they kind of need the system to work in that way right so
that's why you know I thought about tsa because you're you're showing your legal ID at the same
time you're giving your biometrics right and and the banking industry is another great example
like I know in other countries like in Mexico a friend of mine recently tried to open up a
new account without biometric scanning and with my own banking like on my banking app
right it it has this option of facial ID right and it and it and it puts the button
really close to where you put in your password like it's really easy to hit it by accident
like it's really trying to encourage you right just like with paperless billing
they're always trying to get you to participate in that but you know I've heard you talk
about a really important concept which is that the government doesn't have to require any participation
it could be and we touched on this already right it can come from private industry so the banking
industry for example could just require in order for you to have an account you have to have a
digital ID and that would not be even against the protective laws that are already on the
books about like digital privacy and such because they the law just says well they don't get an account
there but if every bank is doing that then you can't have a banking account at all
yeah this is this this mandate by proxy is how it's going to roll out in the west
it's the way of having that deniability we didn't tell you to do it um but you still did it
your fault um and so we see this in uh india where it was a supreme court ruled a few years
into their digital ID program no indian should lack any rights or freedoms for not having a
digital ID but by that time it was too late because they didn't they didn't say that up front
so banks were demanding it uh there was phone companies that were hounding people they were
literally saying hey send us your adhar ID that's the name of their system send it to us or we're
going to cut off your phone service and it got to the point like i tried to define what a complete
system looks like and to me that's 60 of people in a country actively using it um and so in
india they've gone all the way to the end where like a landlord will ask to see that as a
means of verification so people are imposing it on each other and that's the final step that's where
you know people in that society are doomed to be a slave to that digital ID system now are you
aware of any you know um outside like agoristic um marketplaces popping up in india as a response
to this that's um that's a really good question i i don't off the top of my head but i think
that every country has its own uh gray market and i think as things get more ridiculous like people
start to get the the stick side of this carrot and stick game we're playing i think those will
naturally start to form and to your point like these gray markets um are really important the
the best thing anyone could be doing right now is going out connecting with your community and saying
hey i have this to offer you have that i just want you to know this thing is going on
or whatever happens between us i'm never going to impose that on you and please don't do the same
to me that's a excellent excellent idea what about devices spying on us devices will also be
the way that um this is implemented it's a really big part of it you know i'm sure you've you've
heard of apple's official digital id functionality coming to their phones um and this is very late
stage surveillance um so the way most surveillance happens i'll say the 80 of of mass surveillance
happens is through the hands of these big tech companies so a few trends we're seeing right now
is cloud first so if you are taking photos on an iphone it's going to i cloud before it gets
saved to your phone it is automatically being analyzed with ai which is a feature called enhanced
visual search which we can talk about um google is doing the same thing um microsoft is doing the
same thing it's crazy you have a text file on your computer you're writing a shopping list you
save it the default is to save to the cloud so um we're getting to that very late stage surveillance
where everything you're doing on your computer is surveilled as being tracked by ai and being fed
to similar palantir like systems within these companies themselves and it all happens because
we consent to it we chose a device that comes with these abusive software services
now is there any way to limit uh like with one of those devices can you limit the
surveillance i mean like even if you use i cloud right or is i cloud automatically mean that
everything is going to be scanned there's no way to opt out of it or can you you know
is saving the images directly on the phone beneficial there's um there's always nuance
and how each company runs their products and services for i cloud the most the scariest thing
i think was this enhanced visual search um which doesn't just apply to the photos on i cloud it
also applies to the photos just on your phone in general if you have an iphone you can go to
apps photos then within those settings at the bottom if you scroll to the bottom you'll
see this option called enhanced visual search if you haven't ever looked at it before it's
probably on why because they built this feature and what it does is that it looks through your photos
for landmarks like the statue of liberty or the eiffel tower and it recognizes them and
matches them up with apples database and so that's they they say it because it makes it easier oh
let me go to that paris trip where we got the eiffel tower and it thinks that it's useful
for you to search like that no that's not the reason why they're doing it they're doing it
because now they can detect the location of any photo on earth simply from the buildings that are
nearby that's my intuit like that that is what it could be used for the technology and they roll
this feature out with no announcement no blog posts no notification they just did it
there wasn't even a blog post right so that just goes to show you they don't they don't this
you're a customer that who pays the money they treat them like a child like an object that they can
we're going to do this and it sounds like also that this is a way to capture information even if
other sources are turned off like your location services for example right which is another way
that they can you know do geo fencing yeah the location's a really really big piece of it
and unfortunately nowadays gps is no longer a thing we use these wi-fi positioning systems
and what those are doing are collecting all the wi-fi routers near you testing the signal strength
and sending those back to apple and google so that's how we're able to have super accurate location
indoors nowadays the problem is is that these companies are sitting on billions of wi-fi access
networks and you can actually you can do some crazy things with the data some researchers
found that apple left the left this wi-fi positioning system open so they just kept
searching for wi-fi networks they got to two billion of them and they tracked it over time
and they saw for instance like uh palestine they saw a bunch of wi-fi routers disappear
from the places that were under heavy bombardment in palestine or they saw people who were being
forcibly recruited in ukraine leave ukraine with their wi-fi routers so there's things like that
wow so you can monitor it for the effectiveness of your military assault
most definitely i mean that's one application but in other words you can confirm if the target's
been taken out at least with some degree of accuracy yeah that's a good point taken out
offline the power goes out anything that makes like makes that wi-fi router not online and the one
thing i want to just add is that it doesn't really like the settings on a phone like an iphone
they're kind of just there as a security theater you could put your phone on airplane mode and i've
heard people say that i'm still picking up radio signals from an iphone we're testing it with a
meter now i haven't confirmed that myself but these are just these are just settings and because
none of the code is open or transparent you can't really confirm that it's doing what it says it's
doing and there's been independent studies going back to 2021 showing that even if you pick the most
private settings it's still sending a ton of data every five minutes now what what if you use um
like a shielding device it'll help with some things so even that is not foolproof well so
what ends up happening is um so you put in the shielding device it can't connect back to the towers
but it's if it's on or i mean maybe even if it's not on it's still listening and it's just collecting
that data you know and these guys they have nothing to do they have billions of dollars
so the best engineers on the planet you know there's an accelerometer there's a gyroscope on
this thing like there's other ways to kind of detect where you're where you're going now
not saying that's happening for sure i don't have the proof i just i will speak to programs when i
have the proof but i'm just saying the possibility exists even if your phone right so each essentially
what you're saying is that as a surveillance device your phone has a lot of built-in redundancy
and it's really hard to completely defeat yeah especially if you're using a big tech tools
and operating systems so what is the solution that you came up with and i think this is the
time we should you know talk about above like what what's your role in that operation and
what can you tell us a little bit about what your devices offer sure so we started a privacy
company in 2021 late 2021 i'm the founder and ceo and the founding team is all from within
the movement all working on community community movements before that we decided to turn our attention
to this and what it is it's a set of private solutions for your phone and laptop built on
top of open source technology this is what the phone looks like and so this is what they call a
deg ruled phone it is running an open source operating system called graphene os which is
not the graphene in the shots guys that's graphene oxide this is graphene the nanomaterial that comes
from pencils graphite and it's just a very strong nanomaterial and that's what this operating system
is focused on it's very high security at the same time it's very usable like andy if you've used
an android phone or if your audience has it's very very similar to that right so swipe up to see
your apps swipe down to see your notifications like um that kind of thing and then what's really cool
are all of the different privacy features you have so you can turn off your microphone and camera
for the entire device um you have complete control of the permissions for your apps and
then you also have a lot of lower level security improvements that will they're just very strict
on the data apps have access to they only have access to the memory that they're supposed to use
and so that makes it a very secure phone for like let's say someone stole your phone and tried to
pull the data off it they they wouldn't be able to um unless you left it unlocked so um there
are a lot of security improvements that I can talk about but the important things to mention
are that this phone will work with any cell service anywhere in the world you can use the SIM card that
you'll you can plug into it easy five ten minute process um or you can use an eSIM as well and
just have it activated uh completely online and um so it could be used anywhere in the world
and then the apps where do you get your apps from now we'll hold on a second Hakeem let's
talk about the uh the ability to so you're saying you basically go to your cell provider and uh get
a SIM card and sell service from them and then you just pop it in this phone now is that did you
your your older models did not have that functionality is that right is this a new feature
oh so the eSIMs are new um but all of the phones we sell today will work with both
so you can always you can always put the SIM card in and then yes so some people they
want to keep their number and like this is they're switching all the way over they're ready to throw
their Apple away and they're switching to this phone so they will switch their number over
some people want to do the transition thing and they want to keep the iPhone for family and
friends and FaceTime and they'll get a new service for this one uh we also have our own
service as well which is data only um so there are a lot of options also this is you'll appreciate this
Andy is uh you can use this phone just connected to wi-fi only and there are different solutions
like a voice over internet number that will let you have a phone number but it it can be connected
to wi-fi or here my house is wired for ethernet so I can actually make phone calls with zero
negligible radiation coming from the phone but that requires you to have a wi-fi signal right
yes a wi-fi or an ethernet so we sell uh ethernet adapters that you can plug a wire into or yes a
wi-fi signal and of course if you leave the house outside of that wi-fi range you don't have
signal anymore so you have to be in range of a wi-fi cafe or at home right or perhaps have
a hotspot that you can uh use out in public
absolutely so it sounds like it gives you a lot of flexibility now in terms of like the
telecom companies uh spying on your calls and text messages is there any difference between
using those different approaches with the phone yeah so with this phone um one of the things it
does is it makes zero connections to big tech um we've audited this we audited regularly and so
what we're doing is we're cutting google and apple out of the equation we're cutting them out completely
out of the equation right the telecoms uh due to communications assistance and law enforcement
act of 1994 are required to ensure that they can hand over phone calls and text messages and
there's secret surveillance programs like hemispheres which are collecting
everything in mass so um there's phone calls and texts aren't private and we need to quickly shift
over to encrypted messaging i know that's a big ask for a lot of people there's some people still
you know people still need to use phone numbers in the meantime so this phone gives you solutions
for both worlds so the internet phone number is more private because you can connect to the
wi-fi and it's not connecting to your nearest cell tower and sending the text that way
which is a thing that they look at um for call records but to make things less complex than i
am it increases your privacy but if you really want true private communications do not use
phone calls and text messages use is there is there an app for encrypted voice calls that you
recommend absolutely i have a few there we go yeah so um there's two that you can use this the
first one is this is a messaging protocol called x m pp um it's original name was jabber you might
some of you might remember from the 90s the name did not age well but uh but i i really love this
protocol because it's free and open source and the thing is it's equal everyone's equal anyone
can set up their own server they can do it for uh for free or next to nothing and they can you
can already audio call and video call people in fact people don't know this but whatsapp
underneath the hood is just this it's literally just this no so you're saying that you can call
someone's phone number or they have to also have this uh app installed yes so you can do both
so there's two things that we offer um we have an optional selection we have an optional suite
of privacy services of which encrypted messaging is one of those things and so you've got the
encrypted messaging there's also another internet phone number that you can get on top of it and
that's what lets you use this app to also dial out the phone number so for instance i got this nice
text from someone they sent me like a nice message and i probably don't want to share their phone
number but uh you can you can message people using their phone numbers through this app and
so you get to pick out a us or canada phone number so you can call them you can text them
they can call you from their perspective it looks like a completely normal number
that's amazing you can also do the encrypted super private messaging for instance i've got one with
my uh partner here that i'm doing and you know you can do so when you have both people are on
the encrypted messaging you can do video calls you can do file sharing and everything is end to
end encrypted got you so for your top secret uh conspirators that's who you uh that's what you use
exactly and and what i've done is like how i personally use it i mean i have it installed
on my phone and laptop and it's just great if i need to send sensitive info or files between one
computer to another oh so wait you can put this on your laptop as well you got it so this
is what it looks like on the laptop so um this is the app on the laptop and so this is really cool
so this is a text message uh with my partner and so i'm actually going to show you let's do this
let's use this view i'm actually going to show you i'm going to record a message to my partner
and you'll see it show up on the laptop at the same time hey cruiser i'm on call with andy
and it's it's going really well so you see that
i'm glad to hear that but i wasn't really worried
uh yeah so you can see you know it shows up on both so it lets you it actually lets you kind of
has that i message s feature where you can text from your laptop which is really really
right right that's awesome so what about um apps that we might use for uh business purposes like
you know slack and zoom and monday and you know like project management or or those kind of things
can you get install those apps on the above phone absolutely so there is an um there's a
private version of the google play store it's called a horror store and we uh we know this developer
well and we work with them and we donate to him to make sure oh so you're saying you can get tiktok
and instagram and all those things yes they will still work on the phone it's like you have the
freedom to install these things so for instance you searched uh you're asking about monday let's
look up that one here's the monday app and i'm gonna show you that's my least as a uh you
know entrepreneur that's my least favorite app i'll have to tell you what's your most favorite
well i mean i spend the most time in slack but uh it's just because in monday tells me how much
work i have to do and when it has to be done by yep i uh these tools are really important
for anyone running a business so so all right so here's here's slack and so here's what i
love about it andy is that it will give you informed consent of what you're putting on the phone
so normal app stores they don't bother to do this but if you scroll down and pass the reviews
you can actually see if there are any third party companies in the app you're using so slack
doesn't they they're using these two um analytics kits which which these look like they're error
reporting and analytics bug snag and sentry so um it gives you visibility into which other
companies are on there now slacks this is like this is coming from building mobile apps this is decent
a company the size of slack has to do they have to do error reporting right right this is why they're
in there but let me use another example like um this random app that's always on the front page
poly buzz chat and so a normal app if people you know are downloading games or just whatever
app you know there's shopping on the play store or on the app store this is what happens
they download an app with 31 different companies in there 31 different companies and so what these
are doing is if you give a permission to the app you're also giving that same permission to the
30 companies so right when people are um are trying to figure out hey how is how are the
same ads how am i how is what i'm talking about showing up on the computer this is how
because facebook is embedded in it all these ad platforms are embedded in the apps that we use
so at least you're starting to get visibility and can make better decisions about the apps on your
phone so you may not want to install poly buzz now definitely not and and so you you start to get
visibility into those things and so what i recommend for people and what is on the phone by default
are apps from f droid now this is an open source app catalog and the requirement to be
in this catalog is that all of the code for your app needs to be visible and transparent
so now those uh those tracking companies they never publish their code so those are out of the
equation um and uh and so you have a lot of different things that you can find on this app
store now uh you can you can find an alternative right if you wanted to find chat apps there they're
on there there's many different things you can use but the good news is is that we've already
found all the best apps so you don't have to spend your time researching so we have uh for
instance apps to watch youtube more privately and get new features that you would normally
have to pay for pay like nine dollars a month for you can get for free um you have beautiful
image viewers that you can use that kind of remind you of iphone um you have navigation apps that will
let you navigate anywhere completely offline which is really cool wait for this guy to load
you can start building your own map of the world and i'm just running through these there's probably
one that you're interested in well you have left me if i may because uh there you know
one thing that i want to say is um that you know i've heard you talk about this before right so
it seems like this device it works with all three different layers of surveillance right like the
telecom companies to spending depending on how you use it of course the um operating system itself
right which is pretty foolproof um compared to google and apple or android and apple and and
then the apps and it seems like you you you've really done a lot of work to kind of curate the best
apps with the best functionality is there um a community of users uh like exchanging their
experiences and and other resources as well yeah absolutely and thanks for recognizing that
um there is uh we have a private community actually i should probably join it on this phone
as well but it's a group that you get the invite link to and you can join and you can experience it
in this app we're also on telegram just because sometimes that's more accessible for people
so we do have a community group there that you can chat with other people we also do a
lot of uh community programming like we do uh we do a webinar almost every month
and so those are live streams that everyone can join so um there's lots of ways to
get in touch with the community right so you're not going to buy one of these devices
and then just be thrown to the wolves and figure it out on your own like some people are like
really scared of linux for example because of that right but this we're talking about here
you know a supported community that all of the the major things that that you want to
know about how to use this device you know similarly to how you're using your current
phone sounds like you've put that all into place right so with respect to the apps there is one
other type of app i want to just ask about briefly and and then perhaps we can uh uh draw
some conclusions but it's with file sharing because i also heard you talk about um you know
g drive and google's file sharing and i i noticed that virtually everyone i've collaborated with
in the truth space uses uh this application right to to share stuff including like videos like this
right so what are the risks there and what are what are the best alternatives so the risks
the risks are that everything you're doing is being monitored automatically understood
by google's ai infrastructure and you know they use that for to detect child abuse um
in in different things like that but that that is always a part of everything you're doing
google knows what you're working on and in some cases it can remove content without your knowledge
which has happened to people it's happened to student journalists ironically enough and
so you're really putting your entire life in their hands and saying i know you're a big
company you we trust you with this which i'll also say cloud storage is hard so what we've been
encouraging people is a local first type of solution where all of the files stay on your device
and there are different things you can do to sync devices with each other
then we have also built a tool that lets you share files between computers it does it
one at a time it's not like a uh it's not like a permanent long-term storage but it is ephemeral
this is what that looks like so this is the above share app and you can use this to just drop any
sort of file in here got my powerpoint throw it in there
and then you determine who has access to that
folder or and you can set up a whole folder architecture system there aren't folders per
say but there are like share links and so what you can do is you you publish it and then you
can get a link that you can share with anyone you get a QR code you can get a link and then
they can just download this so this file will stay live for seven days and um from then then it gets
removed so that's one aspect of setting files i think what you're really asking for though
is something like long-term right that you can have well you know this is for like i mean in
my team we use this for collaboration right of uh so we're you know working on something
together or like my video editor is working on you know an interview like this right and then
there's a preliminary edit and and then he shares it with other people on the team who then you know
make suggestions on how to make some changes to it yeah right and uh so we all kind of can either
directly modify the file or at least have access to it you know in real time yeah so there's
so we don't have a tool that does everything the storage and the editing and the collaboration we
don't have something like that yet but there are many companies that are attempting to build things
like that and have things like that so for instance Dropbox is is one of those companies
oh that's good i was going to ask about Dropbox because i've been like using Dropbox personally
since they were uh you know almost out of beta testing wow yeah so so uh so apps like Dropbox
will work completely fine um any app you can think of it will it will work on the phone and it'll
work on the laptop most of it is browser based anyways these days right so you can continue
doing what you want to but but we'll like if you pull up the Dropbox app will it partner with
30 uh ad companies to i don't think i don't think it's that bad it's not that bad i think it's like
reasonable here's four trackers analytics um something called adjust amplitude in century
which is this isn't the reasonable realm um it doesn't seem like it's advertising
which is is more of the scary thing for me most of these companies are just trying to
ensure that things aren't breaking down and they know how people are using the app that's something
you know everyone's going to have to judge their own relationship with the app but i i don't think
it's that bad you know it's serving like an important purpose for people so i say you
can use it then here's here's another important thing is like if you wanted if you really wanted
to use google apps you also could um this is also cool so like for instance if you wanted to
get google drive you could get that on our our phone however it's not going to work out of the box
and what you should probably do um is you should probably put it on a separate phone within the
phone so you can create isolated pieces of your phone that are completely separate from the main
phone and you can let that stuff live there now this interesting so that that's kind of like a um
a pc simulator on a on a linux machine right yeah yeah it's like a simulator or a virtual machine
but it's actually real like this stuff stays on it you know this is it's on your storage
it's just completely it's encrypted and it's completely separate from the first phone so
they can't access each other all the all the ability you really have is just to clone apps
over so you can see whatsapp like i consider that a big tech app i would try to avoid using
whatsapp but if you spent any time in latin america you know it's almost impossible so this is where it
would live um if i was in your shoes and i needed to use some apps like that for work i'd create a
little work profile in here and then i'd switch over to it when i needed to use tools like that
on my phone i see get my work done and then switch back which is also it's just a healthy
healthy boundary for your mind as well that that's uh that's a really clever feature
yeah absolutely and so so yeah so if you wanted to use google stuff you can use it
you'd put on the second profile and then you could install google services right because it
doesn't come by default you can install it it's still much safer than using it on a normal
phone because it's going from like a normal big tech phone it's got like god mode over the
entire phone you can see everything that's going on here right it's just being it's just doing what
it's asked for nothing else right because you're not putting all your photos on that partitioned
area right so it can't access that you got it exactly right yeah so you when you give it
the permission to look at your files it's just looking in the profile really it's looking at
nothing essentially exactly yeah so so this this this phone has a lot of different things
that you can do with it in terms of permissions you can also do that on the main profile if you are
like you have any uh you have any suspicions about an app you can even tell it hey don't give it access
to my entire phone give it access to uh just this one folder for pictures just give it access to
one folder right so you can start making this is called storage scopes you can make decisions
like that you can also make the same decision for contacts hey uh whatsapp or signal or telegram
or anything that keeps asking for contacts i'm not going to give you my thousand contacts in
my address book i'm just going to give you the four i talked to on this app and so yeah these are
really easy to use and important features you can to you can use to improve those are
like the things that i wondered why didn't they give you that optionality
to begin with right but you could see it's because they want as much data as possible
it's the association graph you know they say you're going to be like the people you spend
the most time with and so they can really tell who you are by who you associate with so that's
very important data for them so well hakeem this has been like i i've learned a lot um i'm
very impressed with uh with your device in terms of the functionality because i i wasn't expecting
you know such a practical uh use uh case for it so and then you have you know all these
amazing resources like uh the document on the digital id and such just let me give you an
opportunity to sort of make like a closing statement you know about overall what's the message
that you really want to uh you know give people out there and then um where where else you know
can they where what's the best place to find out more about these things and of course we'll put
all the links below i think that we all have the power to take these these things that are
cutting at us from all sides which feel like weapons and we have the power at any time to turn
them into tools and it's up to us to start using the tools and to start building so i hope that
these devices help you with whatever you're doing whether it's learning or building or
starting your business and so yeah this is where we're in transition and so we need tools to
reflect our intentions um so 20 27 is going to be a big year i think on the milestone to 2030
just be very vigilant about who you're sharing your data with and use tools like these to build
the most valuable data set you can have which is the human relationships and connections within
your community that's way more valuable than the billions of gigabytes these big companies
are sitting on and so that's the message i have and if you would like to get an above phone or even
a laptop we just started our holiday sale today and here it is if you go to abovephone.com slash
dr kaufman dr kaufman you'll be able to to check out our our devices we have several
that are available for you we have a laptop that is loaded with local private ai that you can use
even if the grid is down and it's trained on millions of pages of natural health um natural health
expert interviews and also survival information um yesterday i asked it how do i dig a well
and it wrote me out a three page roadmap of what tools i need to buy everything it was it's
just incredible so you can start to use this on our laptops you can also start to use it on our
phones as well and again it'll work offline so um our holiday sale is we've been stocking up all year
for this time of year and so we're offering 500 bucks off different phones and devices there's
extra discounts if you purchase two devices so if you want you or a family member to be
completely private in your communications you can do that you're also getting a free month of the suite
of software services that we offer which is optional but it's recommended it's got many things in it
like the vpn the file sharing the encrypted messaging um the video conferencing the
search engines it's like eight different things that we have uh you will get a free kickstart
call with a real person about a third to half of our company or just people that uh really
patient and wonderful people inside the freedom movement who will help you migrate from your
old device to your new one so they'll help you activate your phone service if you have one move
all of your files over help you figure out what you need to do and how to use your new phone
so you get an hour with a real person and there's always ongoing support if you chat with us this
is the way we encourage you to get in touch with us immediately there's a chat button on our website
and there is a community call uh sometime in january for anyone who buys doing this holiday
season so those are that's kind of our holiday sale um in terms of the phones i recommend anything
in the nine series um these can these are updated until 2031 and it's not like they
stopped working after that but it's got a very long update lifetime which is great um and then this
laptop that i mentioned this quantum laptop now uh those are holiday specials i will mention that
we have a uh it's been it's been really crazy for us this year we may not get it in time for
you by christmas that's just kind of the reality of having a lot of people uh want these things
and having a small business but we will get it out as soon as possible it's possible we get it in
january so just note that it's kind of laid on in the process and um yeah i would love to support you
in your journey if you're interested in any of the content we talked about today there is the
digital id report which you can go to abovephone.com slash digital or just find it in our
navigation bar it's a 30 page report that details everything you need to know about
digital id you'll be very informed we also have an ebook on privacy settings you can change on
your normal phone if you'd like to um and then if you want to follow any of my content i do a weekly
show on substack called uh the teabot show take back our tech show and this is a free educational
thing i do uh releasing releasing new content every week so if you're interested in that that's
where i am so yeah thanks for letting me uh pitch myself there absolutely and uh those are a lot
of resources for people to take advantage of and i love your closing message akim it's really been a
pleasure thank you so much for coming on and talking to us today thank you for having me thank you for
watching blessings