WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.400 ARPA net is was the precursor to the internet so they're deeply involved with the foundations for 00:06.400 --> 00:13.720 these technologies. Total information awareness was about creating a system where anything that's 00:13.720 --> 00:19.040 happening in the world could be measured and tracked and then simulated and so there was other 00:19.040 --> 00:25.960 projects like sentient world simulation which would see the impacts of operations like 00:25.960 --> 00:31.620 political changes and how people would react. This is the True Health Report where critical 00:31.620 --> 00:44.460 appraisal fuels true freedom. Hello everyone and welcome to the True Health Report. I'm your host 00:44.460 --> 00:50.980 Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Now today we're going to be covering a very important topic that I have 00:50.980 --> 00:59.620 certainly been making content about in recent months and I want to first caution the audience 00:59.620 --> 01:06.940 this can lead to some dark thinking and some negative emotions so we're going to focus a lot 01:06.940 --> 01:13.240 in the second half of the interview on solutions so stick around because that's where the optimism 01:13.240 --> 01:21.820 and hope come into play to balance out the unfortunate aspects of the truth about the 01:21.820 --> 01:28.520 technology and surveillance state that we are currently living in. Now I heard about 01:28.520 --> 01:34.920 today's guest Hakim Anwar through a couple of recent interviews he has done with Alex Eck and 01:34.920 --> 01:42.060 with the Corbett Report and he has created excellent resources that are a big part of the 01:42.060 --> 01:48.440 solution and that's really why I wanted to bring him on and then he also is a young man 01:48.440 --> 01:56.900 who is already working in the truth space and trying to preserve and create an amazing future 01:56.900 --> 02:04.560 for his generation and for his progeny and that really impresses me so welcome to the True Health 02:04.560 --> 02:12.120 Report Hakim. Andy thank you so much for having me on I'm getting used to calling you Andy I want 02:12.120 --> 02:17.560 to say Dr. Andy that feels like a balance but it's great to be here and good to meet you. 02:18.360 --> 02:27.160 Well you know listen these titles right don't necessarily bestow any respect that should be 02:27.880 --> 02:34.660 automatic in my opinion and you know we are at the same level we're not there's no hierarchy 02:34.660 --> 02:40.060 here I may be older and more experienced but you know you have probably more potential 02:40.060 --> 02:46.720 to change things in the future so that equalizes us on my terms. Hakim why don't you 02:46.720 --> 02:53.940 tell us a little bit about how you came into this topic and decided to focus your career on 02:53.940 --> 03:01.360 you know such a different pursuit than the mainstream. Yeah well I've always been a black sheep 03:01.360 --> 03:08.140 and I started using computers at a very young age too young I'd say now looking 20 years in the 03:08.140 --> 03:16.280 past and so at the height of my career I was a software engineer making websites web applications 03:16.280 --> 03:21.840 mobile applications I lived in New York City and this was the height of everything I thought I had 03:21.840 --> 03:28.280 everything there is a general aspiration to want to be a good software engineer and work your way 03:28.280 --> 03:35.700 into one of the big four tech companies fang as we called it and I was already awake by this 03:35.700 --> 03:41.820 time so I was a bit of a black sheep and then I finally saw that all the things I had been 03:41.820 --> 03:47.100 researching and going down rabbit holes online was true it was happening and it was happening 03:47.100 --> 03:55.600 right then in 2020 so I saw the city really just crumble when a matter of months and I decided hey 03:55.600 --> 04:02.980 I'm not going to stay here and build this prison around me I moved back home and luckily I had 04:02.980 --> 04:08.320 friends like Derek Rose of freedom cell network and he asked hey do you want to help out with 04:08.320 --> 04:13.860 this project and basically what it was was like a social network a Facebook for free-to-minded people 04:13.860 --> 04:20.540 and so seeing kind of this data behind the scenes as I built the website I realized like whoa this 04:20.540 --> 04:25.800 is the true power of technology and this this information all this connection that's happening 04:25.800 --> 04:31.680 here is sacred and how can I protect that I was already a pretty paranoid person and then 04:31.680 --> 04:37.360 just it kind of sent me forward this is what I can do to help people as you've you've shown 04:37.360 --> 04:42.680 in your work we can we can take ownership of our own health and we can educate ourselves 04:43.280 --> 04:50.640 and we can start working outside of the system right and everyone's doing that but the problem is 04:50.640 --> 04:56.860 they're doing that with corrupted technology and so that's I started educating I have a 04:56.860 --> 05:01.320 educational initiative called take back our tech so started teaching people how to 05:02.040 --> 05:08.740 install Linux on their laptops which software they should use and also on the phone side I 05:08.740 --> 05:15.540 really wanted to know how actually the surveillance works and not let it be like a scary black box 05:15.540 --> 05:24.080 so I did a lot of research on mobile privacy and from the learnings I had good ideas and 05:24.080 --> 05:29.480 we ended up using a phone between the team to communicate and I realized like okay there's 05:29.480 --> 05:36.620 enough of a need for this and so we started above which is the company well now hakeem and 05:36.620 --> 05:42.440 we're gonna definitely talk about above right which makes privacy devices like phones and 05:42.440 --> 05:48.880 tablets I believe but you know how did you said you were going you you were working right for 05:48.880 --> 05:53.640 big tech as a software developer and you were going down rabbit holes like tell us a little 05:53.640 --> 05:58.660 bit more about what you mean there yeah I mean it started all the way back in college and 05:58.660 --> 06:04.120 just you know the sinker the serendipity of meeting someone and they turn out to be a good 06:04.120 --> 06:09.640 friend and mentor to you and being told about the military industrial complex and the medical 06:09.640 --> 06:15.220 industrial complex and the vaccine schedules and how all of these things work and just if 06:15.220 --> 06:20.900 you're if you are ready for the knowledge it should completely change your worldview and so 06:20.900 --> 06:25.900 you know I have a business degree but I also got a degree 06:26.680 --> 06:32.940 self-titled degree and alternative thinking and so then when I ended up in the workforce 06:32.940 --> 06:38.180 finally I never really fit in but you know I went all the way deep down to deep underground 06:38.180 --> 06:43.100 military bases the potential for alien on the planet you know just just all the way down 06:43.100 --> 06:48.140 right now when you were when you were in your courses did you ever raise any of these 06:48.140 --> 06:57.040 topics or were you like living a parallel life that was kind of on the sly yeah early on it was 06:57.040 --> 07:03.720 conspiratting it to me it's just the darkness of what was going on and that it was hidden for so 07:03.720 --> 07:08.260 many people that's what attracted me kind of the occult knowledge and I wanted to know for 07:08.260 --> 07:14.380 myself and I didn't know I could ever do anything about it right it's this massive beast of a 07:14.380 --> 07:19.460 system that has even entrapped the people that are working inside its hierarchy so it was kind of like 07:19.460 --> 07:25.900 yeah it's good to know um it wasn't until the lockdowns happened and there was that fear energy in the 07:25.900 --> 07:32.080 air and then I saw people walking around in Mexico freely saying hey there's no no lockdowns here 07:32.080 --> 07:37.320 and I was like it just snapped something for me like we can do we can do something about 07:37.320 --> 07:43.800 this we can live our lives in a different way that's amazing so it was during that time 07:43.800 --> 07:50.800 that you decided to actually make a career change in a body this truth in all your pursuits instead of 07:51.220 --> 07:57.960 sort of having this um divide or or dissonance right between because you know I've met many people 07:57.960 --> 08:04.300 right since I've been speaking out publicly in the truth space and there there are a number of 08:04.300 --> 08:11.400 folks who know about all these topics right and have found the truth but then they're you 08:11.400 --> 08:17.400 working for a defense contractor or a hospital laboratory right and still like participating 08:17.400 --> 08:23.260 in the system and maybe maybe feel trapped right but you found a way out were there sacrifices you 08:23.260 --> 08:29.120 had to make on that journey yeah most definitely everyone in my family thought I was crazy for 08:29.120 --> 08:35.100 doing what I was doing they didn't understand I you know I had to move back in with my parents 08:35.100 --> 08:40.440 and my friends didn't understand they were making you know they were making a half 08:40.440 --> 08:46.560 million dollars a year working at the companies they were working on and I just thought like so 08:47.680 --> 08:52.920 I'll uh I'll just say to people if you're working in these roles it's not like you have to quit tomorrow 08:52.920 --> 08:59.140 but where is it all going do you have a plan is it a bridge and so I did skirt two worlds for 08:59.670 --> 09:05.360 a long period of time and then when I was given a platform to speak and I started sharing some 09:05.360 --> 09:10.200 of the things on my mind about big technology companies and the government and the unfairness 09:10.200 --> 09:15.240 the injustice the corruption at a certain point I was like okay you went too far you're black bald 09:15.240 --> 09:20.900 like don't even think don't even think about going back and then I was like and then there was kind 09:20.900 --> 09:27.620 of the desperation now you need to figure it out and luckily there was because I was of service 09:27.620 --> 09:33.860 and there had good people around me there you know the it was just very easy it opened up 09:33.860 --> 09:40.220 I can't say it was like it was easy to figure out what direction to go but it took a few years 09:40.220 --> 09:46.860 of trying and really working hard for it to take off well that's an amazing story and you know anyone 09:46.860 --> 09:52.760 who is an entrepreneur is going to go through this journey right even if you're not going into a 09:52.760 --> 09:59.840 more free and truthful space when you were working with uh Derek Broza's organization you 09:59.840 --> 10:06.200 mentioned right you were uh developing a social media app right that was going to be freedom oriented 10:06.200 --> 10:12.980 and privacy oriented and that helped you see from the developer's perspective like the corruptibility 10:12.980 --> 10:21.540 of having people's personal data yeah and well I'm just wondering if you researched it all about 10:21.540 --> 10:27.480 like the origins of you know MySpace and Facebook and it you know do the end also 10:27.480 --> 10:33.760 they're whistleblowers from those organizations right so did you know did was there a connection 10:33.760 --> 10:39.300 that you were able to make that people maybe even intentionally developed them for that purpose 10:39.960 --> 10:45.580 it became very self-evident I wouldn't say I was an export before I came in I just intuitively 10:45.580 --> 10:52.800 knew that this feels wrong but when I really it took taking the actions and then building 10:52.800 --> 10:59.720 the website and then trying to promote it on like social networks and search engines and 10:59.720 --> 11:08.280 ranking on search engines then I saw that there was a there was an agenda to hide it to hide it 11:08.280 --> 11:15.580 and discredit it get it deranked it was really weird I mean I've been fighting with hackers 11:15.580 --> 11:21.580 and spammers since day one simply from being affiliated with it and it made my life a nightmare 11:21.580 --> 11:27.540 in some cases and I had to do all-nighters and stuff like that but I just knew hey there's a lot of 11:27.540 --> 11:33.560 like resistance here and so I think that helped me understand and start to do the research and 11:33.560 --> 11:39.880 of course I learned about Facebook and its origins and you know it's a continuation of 11:39.880 --> 11:46.100 total information awareness and I understood pretty quickly how this public-private partnership 11:46.100 --> 11:52.080 works can you can you tell us a little bit more about that term that you mentioned now 11:52.080 --> 12:01.760 total information awareness sure so this was a this was a DARPA project at really that's the 12:01.760 --> 12:09.960 defense research project right DARPA that they do experimental work military applications and such 12:10.520 --> 12:16.300 absolutely and I mean they're you know ARPA net is was the precursor to the internet so they're 12:16.300 --> 12:21.680 deeply involved with the foundations for these technologies which there's a lot to impact there 12:21.680 --> 12:26.980 so they were working on many different things but this project total information awareness was 12:26.980 --> 12:34.480 about creating a system where anything that's happening in the world could be measured 12:34.480 --> 12:39.380 and tracked and then simulated and so there was other projects like sentient world simulation 12:39.380 --> 12:46.780 which would see the impacts of operations like political changes and how people would react so 12:46.780 --> 12:52.360 that was the concept I I don't know how far they ever got in building it there's obviously 12:52.360 --> 13:00.140 plans and concepts well it seems to me like that the current applications of AI and like 13:00.140 --> 13:06.480 volunteers for example kill chain application would be embodiments of that principle yeah you 13:06.480 --> 13:11.280 you hit the nail on the head and you've got it exactly right this past year has been really important 13:11.280 --> 13:18.120 because the paradigm has shifted before they're really they they didn't have the resources or time 13:18.120 --> 13:24.000 to glue together millions of different sources of data there's not really unified way to do it 13:24.000 --> 13:30.880 and so they've been working on this private model and big data as a as an industry has evolved 13:30.880 --> 13:35.380 enough to where Palantir could come in and say hey we're doing it with police departments 13:35.380 --> 13:40.480 we're doing it with the military and so now I just this paradigm that you described with 13:40.480 --> 13:45.560 Palantir right where many different sources of data can be standardized and glued in 13:45.560 --> 13:55.200 to one data lake is I call it universal surveillance so it doesn't matter where you are 13:55.980 --> 14:02.320 it like just to give an example so it's like a hardware store can make a private contract 14:02.320 --> 14:06.120 with the police department because it's you know it's better for them oh they want to make 14:06.120 --> 14:11.340 shoppers safer so they will give their cameras over and then it can all be fed into one system 14:11.340 --> 14:17.620 that can so in other words you can get you know warrantless surveillance 14:18.560 --> 14:26.120 right through private companies actually infringing upon your fourth amendment protections right 14:27.020 --> 14:32.700 but it sidesteps it because they're not the government doing this yeah you got it exactly 14:32.700 --> 14:36.840 right and of course they have deep partnerships with the government I mean some of their 14:36.840 --> 14:43.420 executive suite is part of the US military as lieutenant colonels so they're very very intimate 14:43.420 --> 14:48.340 with each other and no one can say what goes behind the scenes but it's it's fairly obvious 14:48.340 --> 14:55.540 but right this this reminds me of the airline requirements during COVID to wear a mask or 14:55.540 --> 15:01.780 to show that you had a negative COVID test if you left the country right the the government 15:01.780 --> 15:09.020 it was illegal for them to actually collect that health information or to give medical advice so they 15:09.670 --> 15:14.940 entered into contracts with the airlines and the airlines you know receive money from the 15:14.940 --> 15:22.420 government and then they had their employees actually carry out this violation of privacy 15:22.420 --> 15:28.600 right because that way it can all happen without anyone getting in too much trouble 15:29.660 --> 15:34.880 yeah it's all quid pro quo so you scratch my back I'll scratch yours hey I'll give you an $80 15:34.880 --> 15:40.340 billion bailout just make sure you lock down people's travel and you follow our requirements 15:40.340 --> 15:46.140 for travel I mean it's spot on so every big industry is corrupted it almost makes me want 15:46.140 --> 15:52.340 to say after a certain point of money wealth success reach that you have to play this game 15:52.340 --> 15:59.000 I'm sure venture capitalist funding you know private equity firms have something in that this is why 15:59.000 --> 16:04.980 kind of I think as entrepreneurs today you really need to be careful about who you accept money from 16:05.540 --> 16:10.220 right and not to give your your your company away because it can be used against you and 16:10.220 --> 16:15.500 then be used to control other people and you know make sure you read every line of a contract 16:17.160 --> 16:21.640 there are two things I want to mention here like one I want to ask you you mentioned 16:21.640 --> 16:28.700 integrating the data from multiple different data sets right so in practical terms like if you are 16:29.400 --> 16:37.340 an American and you're worried about them tracking you this way what are the sources of data that 16:37.340 --> 16:45.980 they're inputting into their AI models yeah so the the most primary source info I can give you 16:45.980 --> 16:54.000 is from police departments using Palantir's Gotham and so Los Angeles police department is one really 16:54.000 --> 17:02.680 big one and so is this the what came out of the pilot in New Orleans yeah yeah so yeah New Orleans is 17:02.680 --> 17:09.000 using that same software this this Gotham software to give more context is kind of like the universal 17:09.000 --> 17:14.020 surveillance for police departments within a city it's one of the flagship products of 17:14.020 --> 17:20.300 Palantir offers it's used in New Orleans for predictive policing right and it's used in many 17:20.300 --> 17:25.540 police departments across the United States and I think many more that we just don't know about 17:25.540 --> 17:33.300 because there hasn't been a FOIA request but in Los Angeles they had a system that was feeding 17:33.300 --> 17:39.520 from every traffic camera from every police department from universities cameras at the 17:39.520 --> 17:46.980 universities themselves from libraries and those are all public institutions but I 17:47.640 --> 17:53.920 so so that's one aspect and so what they could do with this system is if they have a list of 17:53.920 --> 17:58.320 suspects well one they're feeding from Department of Motor Vehicles or Department of Public 17:58.320 --> 18:04.880 Services so they have information on everyone and what car they're driving so let's say you're 18:04.880 --> 18:11.120 John Smith and the date of birth as well right and contact information exactly last known address 18:11.720 --> 18:17.680 even who's in your family associates the systems are built to track all of it so let's say I want to 18:17.680 --> 18:24.360 find John Smith and suspicion for some sort of crime okay hey where's John Smith at all right 18:24.360 --> 18:30.520 well let's look we know what car he's driving let's see if it got flagged at any traffic camera 18:30.520 --> 18:38.200 around the city oh we saw one today at 2 p.m going this way so he's there and then you can actually 18:38.200 --> 18:45.460 click and drill into him and see all right who is John associated with what's been what's shown up on 18:45.460 --> 18:50.660 police reports that you know other people have been involved who are his close family members 18:50.660 --> 18:54.760 what cars do they drive where do they live where do they work so it can go on and on and on 18:54.760 --> 19:01.240 and it's supposed to assist with any investigation but it's obviously such a powerful tool how could 19:01.240 --> 19:08.960 you trust so much data and power in the hands of a police department and who are they sharing 19:08.960 --> 19:15.140 that data with is it feeding to a central federal level Palantir database I think those 19:15.140 --> 19:21.200 are the questions we should be asking ourselves now what about other sources of information 19:21.200 --> 19:28.500 like social media posts for example or utility bills banking things like that 19:29.000 --> 19:35.100 I don't so I couldn't say to you that that is for sure happening but everything is fair game 19:35.100 --> 19:40.340 this is a private contract between two private companies you know facilitated by 19:41.620 --> 19:47.300 the local government but any two companies can make a data sharing agreement it's very it's 19:47.300 --> 19:53.840 very common it's very standard so there's no reason why Palantir or the police department couldn't 19:53.840 --> 20:00.600 couldn't decide hey like what's the budget to get the water services department okay let's reach out 20:00.600 --> 20:05.920 to them or let's something set something up so that there is a regular ongoing process 20:05.920 --> 20:10.440 where they send the data in I don't know how useful that would be like they kind of 20:10.440 --> 20:13.900 decide their own objectives but the thing we're going to see over the next two years 20:13.900 --> 20:22.400 is this grow and grow into more things this is a good like this is a good example of 20:22.400 --> 20:28.420 something that I know for sure is happening flock cameras which are automatic license plate readers 20:28.420 --> 20:32.540 this is not Palantir this is a separate company doing this there's multiple companies trying to 20:32.540 --> 20:39.400 do this and what their cameras are set up to do is to look at a car and pick up the make 20:39.400 --> 20:44.900 model license plate of course uh even like if it's got a ding in the door it's got a dent 20:44.900 --> 20:52.220 bumper stickers and they have uh this was what happened a few months ago home depots and like 20:52.220 --> 20:57.120 around the entire country are using this technology in their parking lot so if you drive to a home 20:57.120 --> 21:01.940 depot like you're on that database somewhere right right and it's actually more than that 21:01.940 --> 21:08.560 right because HOAs have contracts with for flock cameras right other facilities like maybe 21:08.560 --> 21:14.980 assisted living facilities and such like that right and of course police departments and municipalities 21:15.380 --> 21:23.960 that are using it for traffic purposes so so there's you know a growing uh dragnet essentially of 21:23.960 --> 21:30.560 scanning this uh your license plate now there's some controversy about this on on the interweb 21:30.560 --> 21:37.380 so to speak but in your opinion could the flock cameras be modified in their software to 21:37.380 --> 21:44.380 also recognize facial features there's no reason why they wouldn't and why they couldn't 21:45.240 --> 21:50.160 but they're probably the the types of cameras there are they're probably much farther back you might 21:50.160 --> 21:58.220 need more better optical quality at range so I think it would be easy for them right once they 21:58.220 --> 22:02.180 have the agreement in place it's very easy for them to produce another camera and if you 22:02.180 --> 22:10.260 want to see how many cameras they have you can use a website like deflock.me so let's use 22:10.860 --> 22:17.980 let's use colorado as an example this is really crazy andy like try to get around it's like a game 22:17.980 --> 22:23.140 this is a website called deflock.me they publish a freedom of information act request 22:23.140 --> 22:29.180 and so you can actually go down okay it's a pretty big city you can go down to individual 22:29.180 --> 22:34.280 cameras and see where they're pointing and then uh I want to create a game out of this right 22:34.280 --> 22:40.420 hey go through the city without being spotted now do you know about the Chinese artist who did that 22:40.420 --> 22:46.500 no I don't actually yeah so I I don't have the name or the details uh in front of me right now 22:46.500 --> 22:52.820 but um I included it in a recent master class so it's an artist and he mapped out like a two 22:52.820 --> 22:59.020 block path to walk without being caught by a surveillance camera because you know in in China 22:59.020 --> 23:04.920 right you're being watched everywhere and the and they have facial recognition and social credit system 23:05.460 --> 23:10.800 so it was like this most circuitous route you know take two side steps then one back 23:10.800 --> 23:16.920 they you know turn around 180 degrees you know make a semicircle and he had a group of like 23:16.920 --> 23:22.500 20 people following him including some children you know like families and such so that they 23:22.500 --> 23:29.340 could just walk two blocks without being surveilled and he had a lot of negative repercussions from 23:29.340 --> 23:35.820 the Chinese authorities about this after the fact but um but you know it's like that that's the state 23:35.820 --> 23:41.920 of things right and it seems like our government wants to model themselves off of China you know 23:41.920 --> 23:52.480 China has one of the highest rates of CCTV cameras per person in the world we're we're 23:52.480 --> 23:57.900 the good news is it does seem like it's concentrated more in the city's state they're not even trying 23:57.900 --> 24:04.980 but there is also nothing stopping them so um yeah like you nailed it Andy you know right now 24:04.980 --> 24:10.420 this infrastructure is being rolled out if the laws change this is going to be part of the 24:10.420 --> 24:18.080 grid that holds people accountable so um it's it's very scary to to think about um and um 24:18.080 --> 24:23.500 yeah in terms of solutions you know I know there's uh there's people who want to just take 24:23.500 --> 24:28.660 down these cameras and I I say that that's probably not the right solution because they 24:28.660 --> 24:33.940 will just go and put up another one and then you'll probably get in trouble as as well for that 24:35.500 --> 24:41.460 yes as tempting it as it would be to get your shotgun and take those cameras out it's 24:41.460 --> 24:47.940 not advised and it probably will be illegal because already for example if you try to cover 24:47.940 --> 24:54.340 your license plate with you know even some kind of coating or something to fool the flock readers 24:54.340 --> 25:00.260 that's actually already against the law on the books so you can end up with criminal charges for 25:00.260 --> 25:09.060 these things it's it's a scary world we're moving into and and I I have faith in that 25:09.740 --> 25:14.640 all this preparation you know it's it's a sign of desperation from their part and something 25:14.640 --> 25:19.640 big is coming that no one could predict and this is their way of really hanging on to their power 25:20.940 --> 25:27.940 let me ask you how important do you think the digital ID is in the development of this 25:27.940 --> 25:35.180 full on surveillance state yeah digital ID will will make it possible and this is a good point 25:35.180 --> 25:42.800 you meant you asked earlier about um biometric recognition so if enough people give their 25:42.800 --> 25:49.920 biometrics out which a digital ID essentially can be created for you if you give over your biometric 25:49.920 --> 25:56.180 identity along with your legal identity at the same time so when that happens and you give it over 25:56.180 --> 26:00.740 there's nothing else that needs to happen that a digital ID can be created for you 26:01.460 --> 26:05.940 the government can create it for you and have it on hand to be used within these cameras 26:06.520 --> 26:14.780 but I think that digital ID is the next COVID level scam I recently did a digital ID report 26:14.780 --> 26:20.140 where I looked at digital ID around the world so I looked at all the different continents and I 26:20.140 --> 26:27.420 wanted to answer is there a place you can go that is not doing this and the answer was no 26:27.420 --> 26:33.240 not unless you go to a super war-torn country or you go to the amazon rainforest it's happening 26:33.240 --> 26:40.600 everywhere um and now are you familiar with um there's a very small country in uh central 26:40.600 --> 26:47.460 africa a landlocked country that opted out of the digital ID in terms of uh dealing with the the 26:47.460 --> 26:55.600 un and then their imf loans were pulled but they decided to create their own voluntary digital 26:55.600 --> 27:01.260 ID where they guarantee privacy um are you familiar with that story at all or actually 27:01.260 --> 27:06.140 I'm not that didn't come up in my research I'm I'm interested in and learning about it 27:06.900 --> 27:13.460 well I'll definitely send you the details but you know is it even possible to have this 27:13.460 --> 27:19.380 type of technology and still preserve privacy like you know you're qualified to answer that 27:19.380 --> 27:28.560 question I think yeah it it um they position it as if you are in control of what information 27:28.560 --> 27:34.260 you're share but just like with every other piece of technology they built it'll be very opaque 27:35.060 --> 27:43.080 you don't really understand how the internals work and if there are safety guidelines it's it's uh 27:43.560 --> 27:47.600 if there are trace safety guidelines you have to trust that they will follow them 27:47.600 --> 27:51.480 and you have no way to verify it sound familiar it sounds familiar right it's like 27:51.480 --> 27:56.800 what we just went through the past five years right and even if let's say that there is 27:56.800 --> 28:02.160 an honest government that puts this into place well what happens when the next government comes 28:02.160 --> 28:09.280 into power right they could totally change it uh and maybe not even tell you about it right so so we 28:09.280 --> 28:16.040 have to really it sounds like we we really need to protect our information now you mentioned that 28:17.020 --> 28:23.780 the recipe for a digital ID right is your biometric data plus your legal form of ID 28:24.740 --> 28:31.720 simultaneously being collected right now the place that I think of immediately where that occurs 28:31.720 --> 28:41.140 is at the airport with tsa's voluntary facial scanning program yeah it it does happen there 28:41.140 --> 28:46.700 you're you're right and I didn't even think about that I mean of course the facial scanning 28:46.700 --> 28:55.700 of the tsa airport but to think about it being an ingress to digital id um that's now possible 28:55.700 --> 29:01.020 though what I was thinking more about were the banks but absolutely at the airports you know if 29:01.020 --> 29:06.820 you're in one of those programs what do they call it tsa precheck or clear you there's enough 29:06.820 --> 29:11.460 information there to create a digital id for you and what I believe is going to happen which 29:11.460 --> 29:18.540 is the same thing that happened with contact tracing I think 2027 there's going to be more of a push 29:18.540 --> 29:23.460 like okay hey we have we have the technology hey there's all these businesses accepting it now use 29:23.460 --> 29:29.240 it come on guys use it and oh hey you already we have this information on file for you we went 29:29.240 --> 29:35.140 ahead and created you one so that's what happened in Italy they created 40 million uh digital 29:35.140 --> 29:41.240 IDs just because they had people's biometrics it's what they did in Denmark as well so it's 29:41.240 --> 29:50.380 very important to really keep your your person sacred and avoid uh avoid this combination of 29:50.380 --> 29:55.140 your legal and biometrics being handed over now like some people have pushed back and said 29:55.140 --> 29:58.840 hey but I mean when you're walking around the street or these flock cameras they could 29:58.840 --> 30:04.160 collect your biometrics right well they can but it doesn't my my thought is that it doesn't 30:04.160 --> 30:10.380 create the concrete legal precedent they need to actually make digital ID a useful thing to 30:10.380 --> 30:16.080 actually say hey this is that person they kind of need the system to work in that way right so 30:16.080 --> 30:21.380 that's why you know I thought about tsa because you're you're showing your legal ID at the same 30:21.380 --> 30:25.960 time you're giving your biometrics right and and the banking industry is another great example 30:25.960 --> 30:34.040 like I know in other countries like in Mexico a friend of mine recently tried to open up a 30:34.040 --> 30:40.760 new account without biometric scanning and with my own banking like on my banking app 30:41.300 --> 30:48.100 right it it has this option of facial ID right and it and it and it puts the button 30:48.600 --> 30:53.560 really close to where you put in your password like it's really easy to hit it by accident 30:53.560 --> 30:57.260 like it's really trying to encourage you right just like with paperless billing 30:57.260 --> 31:03.000 they're always trying to get you to participate in that but you know I've heard you talk 31:03.000 --> 31:09.560 about a really important concept which is that the government doesn't have to require any participation 31:10.280 --> 31:15.180 it could be and we touched on this already right it can come from private industry so the banking 31:15.180 --> 31:21.120 industry for example could just require in order for you to have an account you have to have a 31:21.120 --> 31:29.360 digital ID and that would not be even against the protective laws that are already on the 31:29.360 --> 31:34.600 books about like digital privacy and such because they the law just says well they don't get an account 31:34.600 --> 31:39.840 there but if every bank is doing that then you can't have a banking account at all 31:41.020 --> 31:46.500 yeah this is this this mandate by proxy is how it's going to roll out in the west 31:46.500 --> 31:53.020 it's the way of having that deniability we didn't tell you to do it um but you still did it 31:53.020 --> 32:02.320 your fault um and so we see this in uh india where it was a supreme court ruled a few years 32:02.320 --> 32:09.460 into their digital ID program no indian should lack any rights or freedoms for not having a 32:09.460 --> 32:14.060 digital ID but by that time it was too late because they didn't they didn't say that up front 32:14.060 --> 32:19.560 so banks were demanding it uh there was phone companies that were hounding people they were 32:19.560 --> 32:24.500 literally saying hey send us your adhar ID that's the name of their system send it to us or we're 32:24.500 --> 32:30.360 going to cut off your phone service and it got to the point like i tried to define what a complete 32:30.360 --> 32:39.200 system looks like and to me that's 60 of people in a country actively using it um and so in 32:39.200 --> 32:45.020 india they've gone all the way to the end where like a landlord will ask to see that as a 32:45.020 --> 32:49.760 means of verification so people are imposing it on each other and that's the final step that's where 32:50.340 --> 32:56.380 you know people in that society are doomed to be a slave to that digital ID system now are you 32:56.380 --> 33:04.820 aware of any you know um outside like agoristic um marketplaces popping up in india as a response 33:04.820 --> 33:13.060 to this that's um that's a really good question i i don't off the top of my head but i think 33:13.060 --> 33:20.040 that every country has its own uh gray market and i think as things get more ridiculous like people 33:20.040 --> 33:25.320 start to get the the stick side of this carrot and stick game we're playing i think those will 33:25.320 --> 33:32.560 naturally start to form and to your point like these gray markets um are really important the 33:32.560 --> 33:37.840 the best thing anyone could be doing right now is going out connecting with your community and saying 33:37.840 --> 33:42.800 hey i have this to offer you have that i just want you to know this thing is going on 33:42.800 --> 33:47.500 or whatever happens between us i'm never going to impose that on you and please don't do the same 33:47.500 --> 33:57.780 to me that's a excellent excellent idea what about devices spying on us devices will also be 33:57.780 --> 34:04.120 the way that um this is implemented it's a really big part of it you know i'm sure you've you've 34:04.120 --> 34:11.940 heard of apple's official digital id functionality coming to their phones um and this is very late 34:11.940 --> 34:21.160 stage surveillance um so the way most surveillance happens i'll say the 80 of of mass surveillance 34:21.160 --> 34:26.800 happens is through the hands of these big tech companies so a few trends we're seeing right now 34:26.800 --> 34:35.200 is cloud first so if you are taking photos on an iphone it's going to i cloud before it gets 34:35.200 --> 34:41.080 saved to your phone it is automatically being analyzed with ai which is a feature called enhanced 34:41.080 --> 34:47.100 visual search which we can talk about um google is doing the same thing um microsoft is doing the 34:47.100 --> 34:51.000 same thing it's crazy you have a text file on your computer you're writing a shopping list you 34:51.000 --> 34:59.020 save it the default is to save to the cloud so um we're getting to that very late stage surveillance 34:59.020 --> 35:05.580 where everything you're doing on your computer is surveilled as being tracked by ai and being fed 35:05.580 --> 35:12.000 to similar palantir like systems within these companies themselves and it all happens because 35:12.000 --> 35:16.960 we consent to it we chose a device that comes with these abusive software services 35:16.960 --> 35:25.600 now is there any way to limit uh like with one of those devices can you limit the 35:25.600 --> 35:32.120 surveillance i mean like even if you use i cloud right or is i cloud automatically mean that 35:32.120 --> 35:35.980 everything is going to be scanned there's no way to opt out of it or can you you know 35:35.980 --> 35:44.680 is saving the images directly on the phone beneficial there's um there's always nuance 35:44.680 --> 35:51.360 and how each company runs their products and services for i cloud the most the scariest thing 35:51.360 --> 35:57.700 i think was this enhanced visual search um which doesn't just apply to the photos on i cloud it 35:57.700 --> 36:03.140 also applies to the photos just on your phone in general if you have an iphone you can go to 36:03.140 --> 36:08.300 apps photos then within those settings at the bottom if you scroll to the bottom you'll 36:08.300 --> 36:12.220 see this option called enhanced visual search if you haven't ever looked at it before it's 36:12.220 --> 36:18.720 probably on why because they built this feature and what it does is that it looks through your photos 36:18.720 --> 36:24.280 for landmarks like the statue of liberty or the eiffel tower and it recognizes them and 36:24.280 --> 36:29.600 matches them up with apples database and so that's they they say it because it makes it easier oh 36:29.600 --> 36:33.380 let me go to that paris trip where we got the eiffel tower and it thinks that it's useful 36:33.380 --> 36:37.120 for you to search like that no that's not the reason why they're doing it they're doing it 36:37.120 --> 36:42.940 because now they can detect the location of any photo on earth simply from the buildings that are 36:42.940 --> 36:48.620 nearby that's my intuit like that that is what it could be used for the technology and they roll 36:48.620 --> 36:53.360 this feature out with no announcement no blog posts no notification they just did it 36:53.360 --> 36:58.080 there wasn't even a blog post right so that just goes to show you they don't they don't this 36:58.080 --> 37:03.780 you're a customer that who pays the money they treat them like a child like an object that they can 37:04.400 --> 37:11.060 we're going to do this and it sounds like also that this is a way to capture information even if 37:11.060 --> 37:17.360 other sources are turned off like your location services for example right which is another way 37:17.360 --> 37:24.060 that they can you know do geo fencing yeah the location's a really really big piece of it 37:24.060 --> 37:31.480 and unfortunately nowadays gps is no longer a thing we use these wi-fi positioning systems 37:32.060 --> 37:37.780 and what those are doing are collecting all the wi-fi routers near you testing the signal strength 37:37.780 --> 37:42.160 and sending those back to apple and google so that's how we're able to have super accurate location 37:42.160 --> 37:48.440 indoors nowadays the problem is is that these companies are sitting on billions of wi-fi access 37:48.440 --> 37:53.300 networks and you can actually you can do some crazy things with the data some researchers 37:53.300 --> 38:00.440 found that apple left the left this wi-fi positioning system open so they just kept 38:00.440 --> 38:05.020 searching for wi-fi networks they got to two billion of them and they tracked it over time 38:05.020 --> 38:12.320 and they saw for instance like uh palestine they saw a bunch of wi-fi routers disappear 38:13.000 --> 38:19.360 from the places that were under heavy bombardment in palestine or they saw people who were being 38:19.360 --> 38:25.600 forcibly recruited in ukraine leave ukraine with their wi-fi routers so there's things like that 38:26.360 --> 38:31.160 wow so you can monitor it for the effectiveness of your military assault 38:32.400 --> 38:38.400 most definitely i mean that's one application but in other words you can confirm if the target's 38:38.400 --> 38:44.460 been taken out at least with some degree of accuracy yeah that's a good point taken out 38:44.460 --> 38:50.940 offline the power goes out anything that makes like makes that wi-fi router not online and the one 38:50.940 --> 38:56.640 thing i want to just add is that it doesn't really like the settings on a phone like an iphone 38:57.120 --> 39:03.800 they're kind of just there as a security theater you could put your phone on airplane mode and i've 39:03.800 --> 39:09.760 heard people say that i'm still picking up radio signals from an iphone we're testing it with a 39:09.760 --> 39:15.060 meter now i haven't confirmed that myself but these are just these are just settings and because 39:15.060 --> 39:20.920 none of the code is open or transparent you can't really confirm that it's doing what it says it's 39:20.920 --> 39:26.760 doing and there's been independent studies going back to 2021 showing that even if you pick the most 39:26.760 --> 39:32.700 private settings it's still sending a ton of data every five minutes now what what if you use um 39:32.700 --> 39:40.700 like a shielding device it'll help with some things so even that is not foolproof well so 39:40.700 --> 39:46.780 what ends up happening is um so you put in the shielding device it can't connect back to the towers 39:47.320 --> 39:53.500 but it's if it's on or i mean maybe even if it's not on it's still listening and it's just collecting 39:53.500 --> 39:58.300 that data you know and these guys they have nothing to do they have billions of dollars 39:58.720 --> 40:03.620 so the best engineers on the planet you know there's an accelerometer there's a gyroscope on 40:03.620 --> 40:08.520 this thing like there's other ways to kind of detect where you're where you're going now 40:08.520 --> 40:12.460 not saying that's happening for sure i don't have the proof i just i will speak to programs when i 40:12.460 --> 40:19.160 have the proof but i'm just saying the possibility exists even if your phone right so each essentially 40:19.160 --> 40:25.880 what you're saying is that as a surveillance device your phone has a lot of built-in redundancy 40:25.880 --> 40:31.600 and it's really hard to completely defeat yeah especially if you're using a big tech tools 40:31.600 --> 40:38.400 and operating systems so what is the solution that you came up with and i think this is the 40:38.400 --> 40:45.200 time we should you know talk about above like what what's your role in that operation and 40:45.200 --> 40:52.280 what can you tell us a little bit about what your devices offer sure so we started a privacy 40:52.280 --> 40:59.800 company in 2021 late 2021 i'm the founder and ceo and the founding team is all from within 40:59.800 --> 41:06.420 the movement all working on community community movements before that we decided to turn our attention 41:06.420 --> 41:13.560 to this and what it is it's a set of private solutions for your phone and laptop built on 41:13.560 --> 41:20.200 top of open source technology this is what the phone looks like and so this is what they call a 41:20.200 --> 41:26.280 deg ruled phone it is running an open source operating system called graphene os which is 41:26.280 --> 41:32.300 not the graphene in the shots guys that's graphene oxide this is graphene the nanomaterial that comes 41:32.300 --> 41:39.900 from pencils graphite and it's just a very strong nanomaterial and that's what this operating system 41:39.900 --> 41:47.340 is focused on it's very high security at the same time it's very usable like andy if you've used 41:47.340 --> 41:52.540 an android phone or if your audience has it's very very similar to that right so swipe up to see 41:52.540 --> 41:58.380 your apps swipe down to see your notifications like um that kind of thing and then what's really cool 41:58.380 --> 42:05.820 are all of the different privacy features you have so you can turn off your microphone and camera 42:05.820 --> 42:13.340 for the entire device um you have complete control of the permissions for your apps and 42:13.340 --> 42:21.000 then you also have a lot of lower level security improvements that will they're just very strict 42:21.000 --> 42:28.200 on the data apps have access to they only have access to the memory that they're supposed to use 42:28.200 --> 42:33.980 and so that makes it a very secure phone for like let's say someone stole your phone and tried to 42:33.980 --> 42:41.940 pull the data off it they they wouldn't be able to um unless you left it unlocked so um there 42:41.940 --> 42:46.680 are a lot of security improvements that I can talk about but the important things to mention 42:46.680 --> 42:53.600 are that this phone will work with any cell service anywhere in the world you can use the SIM card that 42:53.600 --> 43:00.320 you'll you can plug into it easy five ten minute process um or you can use an eSIM as well and 43:00.320 --> 43:06.120 just have it activated uh completely online and um so it could be used anywhere in the world 43:06.120 --> 43:11.380 and then the apps where do you get your apps from now we'll hold on a second Hakeem let's 43:11.380 --> 43:19.660 talk about the uh the ability to so you're saying you basically go to your cell provider and uh get 43:19.660 --> 43:26.460 a SIM card and sell service from them and then you just pop it in this phone now is that did you 43:26.460 --> 43:30.960 your your older models did not have that functionality is that right is this a new feature 43:31.960 --> 43:38.620 oh so the eSIMs are new um but all of the phones we sell today will work with both 43:38.620 --> 43:44.620 so you can always you can always put the SIM card in and then yes so some people they 43:44.620 --> 43:49.080 want to keep their number and like this is they're switching all the way over they're ready to throw 43:49.080 --> 43:52.360 their Apple away and they're switching to this phone so they will switch their number over 43:52.360 --> 43:57.980 some people want to do the transition thing and they want to keep the iPhone for family and 43:57.980 --> 44:03.920 friends and FaceTime and they'll get a new service for this one uh we also have our own 44:03.920 --> 44:11.460 service as well which is data only um so there are a lot of options also this is you'll appreciate this 44:11.460 --> 44:18.920 Andy is uh you can use this phone just connected to wi-fi only and there are different solutions 44:18.920 --> 44:25.180 like a voice over internet number that will let you have a phone number but it it can be connected 44:25.180 --> 44:30.760 to wi-fi or here my house is wired for ethernet so I can actually make phone calls with zero 44:31.360 --> 44:37.940 negligible radiation coming from the phone but that requires you to have a wi-fi signal right 44:38.500 --> 44:45.000 yes a wi-fi or an ethernet so we sell uh ethernet adapters that you can plug a wire into or yes a 44:45.000 --> 44:49.680 wi-fi signal and of course if you leave the house outside of that wi-fi range you don't have 44:49.680 --> 44:56.120 signal anymore so you have to be in range of a wi-fi cafe or at home right or perhaps have 44:56.120 --> 44:59.720 a hotspot that you can uh use out in public 45:01.520 --> 45:07.120 absolutely so it sounds like it gives you a lot of flexibility now in terms of like the 45:07.980 --> 45:13.900 telecom companies uh spying on your calls and text messages is there any difference between 45:13.900 --> 45:21.440 using those different approaches with the phone yeah so with this phone um one of the things it 45:21.440 --> 45:28.760 does is it makes zero connections to big tech um we've audited this we audited regularly and so 45:28.760 --> 45:33.680 what we're doing is we're cutting google and apple out of the equation we're cutting them out completely 45:33.680 --> 45:40.040 out of the equation right the telecoms uh due to communications assistance and law enforcement 45:40.040 --> 45:46.860 act of 1994 are required to ensure that they can hand over phone calls and text messages and 45:46.860 --> 45:50.820 there's secret surveillance programs like hemispheres which are collecting 45:51.500 --> 46:00.480 everything in mass so um there's phone calls and texts aren't private and we need to quickly shift 46:00.480 --> 46:06.000 over to encrypted messaging i know that's a big ask for a lot of people there's some people still 46:06.000 --> 46:11.300 you know people still need to use phone numbers in the meantime so this phone gives you solutions 46:11.300 --> 46:17.780 for both worlds so the internet phone number is more private because you can connect to the 46:17.780 --> 46:22.360 wi-fi and it's not connecting to your nearest cell tower and sending the text that way 46:22.360 --> 46:29.560 which is a thing that they look at um for call records but to make things less complex than i 46:29.560 --> 46:35.440 am it increases your privacy but if you really want true private communications do not use 46:35.440 --> 46:42.480 phone calls and text messages use is there is there an app for encrypted voice calls that you 46:42.480 --> 46:57.180 recommend absolutely i have a few there we go yeah so um there's two that you can use this the 46:57.180 --> 47:07.280 first one is this is a messaging protocol called x m pp um it's original name was jabber you might 47:07.280 --> 47:18.320 some of you might remember from the 90s the name did not age well but uh but i i really love this 47:18.320 --> 47:24.400 protocol because it's free and open source and the thing is it's equal everyone's equal anyone 47:24.400 --> 47:31.000 can set up their own server they can do it for uh for free or next to nothing and they can you 47:31.000 --> 47:36.660 can already audio call and video call people in fact people don't know this but whatsapp 47:36.660 --> 47:42.940 underneath the hood is just this it's literally just this no so you're saying that you can call 47:42.940 --> 47:51.140 someone's phone number or they have to also have this uh app installed yes so you can do both 47:51.140 --> 47:58.900 so there's two things that we offer um we have an optional selection we have an optional suite 47:58.900 --> 48:04.440 of privacy services of which encrypted messaging is one of those things and so you've got the 48:04.440 --> 48:09.760 encrypted messaging there's also another internet phone number that you can get on top of it and 48:09.760 --> 48:15.380 that's what lets you use this app to also dial out the phone number so for instance i got this nice 48:15.380 --> 48:20.600 text from someone they sent me like a nice message and i probably don't want to share their phone 48:20.600 --> 48:27.840 number but uh you can you can message people using their phone numbers through this app and 48:27.840 --> 48:32.680 so you get to pick out a us or canada phone number so you can call them you can text them 48:32.680 --> 48:37.100 they can call you from their perspective it looks like a completely normal number 48:38.720 --> 48:44.540 that's amazing you can also do the encrypted super private messaging for instance i've got one with 48:44.540 --> 48:49.300 my uh partner here that i'm doing and you know you can do so when you have both people are on 48:49.300 --> 48:54.020 the encrypted messaging you can do video calls you can do file sharing and everything is end to 48:54.020 --> 49:02.580 end encrypted got you so for your top secret uh conspirators that's who you uh that's what you use 49:03.300 --> 49:08.440 exactly and and what i've done is like how i personally use it i mean i have it installed 49:08.440 --> 49:14.380 on my phone and laptop and it's just great if i need to send sensitive info or files between one 49:14.380 --> 49:19.950 computer to another oh so wait you can put this on your laptop as well you got it so this 49:19.950 --> 49:27.210 is what it looks like on the laptop so um this is the app on the laptop and so this is really cool 49:27.210 --> 49:34.730 so this is a text message uh with my partner and so i'm actually going to show you let's do this 49:34.730 --> 49:39.490 let's use this view i'm actually going to show you i'm going to record a message to my partner 49:39.490 --> 49:47.050 and you'll see it show up on the laptop at the same time hey cruiser i'm on call with andy 49:48.290 --> 49:51.870 and it's it's going really well so you see that 49:53.770 --> 49:56.010 i'm glad to hear that but i wasn't really worried 49:59.950 --> 50:05.170 uh yeah so you can see you know it shows up on both so it lets you it actually lets you kind of 50:05.170 --> 50:10.610 has that i message s feature where you can text from your laptop which is really really 50:10.610 --> 50:21.290 right right that's awesome so what about um apps that we might use for uh business purposes like 50:21.290 --> 50:27.350 you know slack and zoom and monday and you know like project management or or those kind of things 50:27.350 --> 50:36.090 can you get install those apps on the above phone absolutely so there is an um there's a 50:36.090 --> 50:42.350 private version of the google play store it's called a horror store and we uh we know this developer 50:42.350 --> 50:47.850 well and we work with them and we donate to him to make sure oh so you're saying you can get tiktok 50:47.850 --> 50:53.450 and instagram and all those things yes they will still work on the phone it's like you have the 50:53.450 --> 50:58.890 freedom to install these things so for instance you searched uh you're asking about monday let's 50:58.890 --> 51:04.250 look up that one here's the monday app and i'm gonna show you that's my least as a uh you 51:04.250 --> 51:08.550 know entrepreneur that's my least favorite app i'll have to tell you what's your most favorite 51:09.630 --> 51:15.510 well i mean i spend the most time in slack but uh it's just because in monday tells me how much 51:15.510 --> 51:22.130 work i have to do and when it has to be done by yep i uh these tools are really important 51:22.730 --> 51:28.350 for anyone running a business so so all right so here's here's slack and so here's what i 51:28.350 --> 51:33.490 love about it andy is that it will give you informed consent of what you're putting on the phone 51:33.490 --> 51:38.910 so normal app stores they don't bother to do this but if you scroll down and pass the reviews 51:39.670 --> 51:47.030 you can actually see if there are any third party companies in the app you're using so slack 51:47.030 --> 51:54.250 doesn't they they're using these two um analytics kits which which these look like they're error 51:54.250 --> 52:01.190 reporting and analytics bug snag and sentry so um it gives you visibility into which other 52:01.190 --> 52:06.750 companies are on there now slacks this is like this is coming from building mobile apps this is decent 52:06.750 --> 52:12.490 a company the size of slack has to do they have to do error reporting right right this is why they're 52:12.490 --> 52:18.490 in there but let me use another example like um this random app that's always on the front page 52:18.490 --> 52:24.490 poly buzz chat and so a normal app if people you know are downloading games or just whatever 52:24.490 --> 52:29.350 app you know there's shopping on the play store or on the app store this is what happens 52:29.350 --> 52:35.970 they download an app with 31 different companies in there 31 different companies and so what these 52:35.970 --> 52:41.990 are doing is if you give a permission to the app you're also giving that same permission to the 52:41.990 --> 52:48.650 30 companies so right when people are um are trying to figure out hey how is how are the 52:48.650 --> 52:53.930 same ads how am i how is what i'm talking about showing up on the computer this is how 52:54.810 --> 53:00.430 because facebook is embedded in it all these ad platforms are embedded in the apps that we use 53:00.430 --> 53:04.590 so at least you're starting to get visibility and can make better decisions about the apps on your 53:04.590 --> 53:13.590 phone so you may not want to install poly buzz now definitely not and and so you you start to get 53:13.590 --> 53:19.390 visibility into those things and so what i recommend for people and what is on the phone by default 53:19.390 --> 53:26.150 are apps from f droid now this is an open source app catalog and the requirement to be 53:26.150 --> 53:31.750 in this catalog is that all of the code for your app needs to be visible and transparent 53:32.300 --> 53:39.450 so now those uh those tracking companies they never publish their code so those are out of the 53:39.450 --> 53:46.470 equation um and uh and so you have a lot of different things that you can find on this app 53:46.470 --> 53:52.850 store now uh you can you can find an alternative right if you wanted to find chat apps there they're 53:52.850 --> 53:58.090 on there there's many different things you can use but the good news is is that we've already 53:58.090 --> 54:03.350 found all the best apps so you don't have to spend your time researching so we have uh for 54:03.350 --> 54:08.690 instance apps to watch youtube more privately and get new features that you would normally 54:08.690 --> 54:14.230 have to pay for pay like nine dollars a month for you can get for free um you have beautiful 54:14.230 --> 54:21.630 image viewers that you can use that kind of remind you of iphone um you have navigation apps that will 54:21.630 --> 54:28.610 let you navigate anywhere completely offline which is really cool wait for this guy to load 54:28.610 --> 54:33.630 you can start building your own map of the world and i'm just running through these there's probably 54:33.630 --> 54:40.630 one that you're interested in well you have left me if i may because uh there you know 54:41.250 --> 54:48.030 one thing that i want to say is um that you know i've heard you talk about this before right so 54:48.030 --> 54:55.570 it seems like this device it works with all three different layers of surveillance right like the 54:55.570 --> 55:02.450 telecom companies to spending depending on how you use it of course the um operating system itself 55:02.450 --> 55:09.170 right which is pretty foolproof um compared to google and apple or android and apple and and 55:09.170 --> 55:15.270 then the apps and it seems like you you you've really done a lot of work to kind of curate the best 55:15.270 --> 55:23.310 apps with the best functionality is there um a community of users uh like exchanging their 55:23.310 --> 55:29.450 experiences and and other resources as well yeah absolutely and thanks for recognizing that 55:29.450 --> 55:35.530 um there is uh we have a private community actually i should probably join it on this phone 55:35.530 --> 55:41.170 as well but it's a group that you get the invite link to and you can join and you can experience it 55:41.170 --> 55:46.110 in this app we're also on telegram just because sometimes that's more accessible for people 55:46.810 --> 55:51.890 so we do have a community group there that you can chat with other people we also do a 55:51.890 --> 55:57.550 lot of uh community programming like we do uh we do a webinar almost every month 55:57.550 --> 56:03.250 and so those are live streams that everyone can join so um there's lots of ways to 56:03.250 --> 56:07.590 get in touch with the community right so you're not going to buy one of these devices 56:07.590 --> 56:12.670 and then just be thrown to the wolves and figure it out on your own like some people are like 56:12.670 --> 56:17.550 really scared of linux for example because of that right but this we're talking about here 56:17.550 --> 56:23.650 you know a supported community that all of the the major things that that you want to 56:23.650 --> 56:27.970 know about how to use this device you know similarly to how you're using your current 56:27.970 --> 56:33.850 phone sounds like you've put that all into place right so with respect to the apps there is one 56:33.850 --> 56:40.050 other type of app i want to just ask about briefly and and then perhaps we can uh uh draw 56:40.050 --> 56:46.210 some conclusions but it's with file sharing because i also heard you talk about um you know 56:46.210 --> 56:53.150 g drive and google's file sharing and i i noticed that virtually everyone i've collaborated with 56:53.150 --> 57:02.230 in the truth space uses uh this application right to to share stuff including like videos like this 57:02.230 --> 57:08.310 right so what are the risks there and what are what are the best alternatives so the risks 57:08.880 --> 57:15.130 the risks are that everything you're doing is being monitored automatically understood 57:15.130 --> 57:21.630 by google's ai infrastructure and you know they use that for to detect child abuse um 57:21.630 --> 57:27.070 in in different things like that but that that is always a part of everything you're doing 57:27.750 --> 57:35.010 google knows what you're working on and in some cases it can remove content without your knowledge 57:35.670 --> 57:42.950 which has happened to people it's happened to student journalists ironically enough and 57:43.430 --> 57:48.150 so you're really putting your entire life in their hands and saying i know you're a big 57:48.150 --> 57:55.830 company you we trust you with this which i'll also say cloud storage is hard so what we've been 57:55.830 --> 58:03.670 encouraging people is a local first type of solution where all of the files stay on your device 58:04.100 --> 58:07.430 and there are different things you can do to sync devices with each other 58:07.960 --> 58:14.330 then we have also built a tool that lets you share files between computers it does it 58:14.330 --> 58:21.450 one at a time it's not like a uh it's not like a permanent long-term storage but it is ephemeral 58:21.450 --> 58:28.710 this is what that looks like so this is the above share app and you can use this to just drop any 58:28.710 --> 58:35.390 sort of file in here got my powerpoint throw it in there 58:38.630 --> 58:41.630 and then you determine who has access to that 58:43.170 --> 58:51.430 folder or and you can set up a whole folder architecture system there aren't folders per 58:51.430 --> 58:57.130 say but there are like share links and so what you can do is you you publish it and then you 58:57.130 --> 59:01.470 can get a link that you can share with anyone you get a QR code you can get a link and then 59:01.470 --> 59:10.430 they can just download this so this file will stay live for seven days and um from then then it gets 59:10.430 --> 59:16.010 removed so that's one aspect of setting files i think what you're really asking for though 59:16.010 --> 59:22.590 is something like long-term right that you can have well you know this is for like i mean in 59:22.590 --> 59:29.810 my team we use this for collaboration right of uh so we're you know working on something 59:29.810 --> 59:35.530 together or like my video editor is working on you know an interview like this right and then 59:35.530 --> 59:42.850 there's a preliminary edit and and then he shares it with other people on the team who then you know 59:42.850 --> 59:49.450 make suggestions on how to make some changes to it yeah right and uh so we all kind of can either 59:49.450 --> 59:56.070 directly modify the file or at least have access to it you know in real time yeah so there's 59:56.070 --> 01:00:03.250 so we don't have a tool that does everything the storage and the editing and the collaboration we 01:00:03.250 --> 01:00:09.370 don't have something like that yet but there are many companies that are attempting to build things 01:00:09.370 --> 01:00:14.390 like that and have things like that so for instance Dropbox is is one of those companies 01:00:14.390 --> 01:00:20.330 oh that's good i was going to ask about Dropbox because i've been like using Dropbox personally 01:00:20.330 --> 01:00:29.430 since they were uh you know almost out of beta testing wow yeah so so uh so apps like Dropbox 01:00:29.430 --> 01:00:37.030 will work completely fine um any app you can think of it will it will work on the phone and it'll 01:00:37.030 --> 01:00:41.770 work on the laptop most of it is browser based anyways these days right so you can continue 01:00:41.770 --> 01:00:47.890 doing what you want to but but we'll like if you pull up the Dropbox app will it partner with 01:00:47.890 --> 01:00:56.370 30 uh ad companies to i don't think i don't think it's that bad it's not that bad i think it's like 01:00:56.370 --> 01:01:04.310 reasonable here's four trackers analytics um something called adjust amplitude in century 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:12.270 which is this isn't the reasonable realm um it doesn't seem like it's advertising 01:01:12.270 --> 01:01:17.250 which is is more of the scary thing for me most of these companies are just trying to 01:01:17.250 --> 01:01:23.030 ensure that things aren't breaking down and they know how people are using the app that's something 01:01:23.030 --> 01:01:28.330 you know everyone's going to have to judge their own relationship with the app but i i don't think 01:01:28.330 --> 01:01:32.670 it's that bad you know it's serving like an important purpose for people so i say you 01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:38.850 can use it then here's here's another important thing is like if you wanted if you really wanted 01:01:39.390 --> 01:01:44.930 to use google apps you also could um this is also cool so like for instance if you wanted to 01:01:44.930 --> 01:01:51.530 get google drive you could get that on our our phone however it's not going to work out of the box 01:01:51.530 --> 01:01:59.010 and what you should probably do um is you should probably put it on a separate phone within the 01:01:59.010 --> 01:02:05.870 phone so you can create isolated pieces of your phone that are completely separate from the main 01:02:05.870 --> 01:02:12.530 phone and you can let that stuff live there now this interesting so that that's kind of like a um 01:02:12.530 --> 01:02:19.530 a pc simulator on a on a linux machine right yeah yeah it's like a simulator or a virtual machine 01:02:19.530 --> 01:02:24.650 but it's actually real like this stuff stays on it you know this is it's on your storage 01:02:24.650 --> 01:02:29.510 it's just completely it's encrypted and it's completely separate from the first phone so 01:02:29.510 --> 01:02:35.390 they can't access each other all the all the ability you really have is just to clone apps 01:02:35.390 --> 01:02:41.350 over so you can see whatsapp like i consider that a big tech app i would try to avoid using 01:02:41.350 --> 01:02:47.450 whatsapp but if you spent any time in latin america you know it's almost impossible so this is where it 01:02:47.450 --> 01:02:53.050 would live um if i was in your shoes and i needed to use some apps like that for work i'd create a 01:02:53.050 --> 01:02:58.970 little work profile in here and then i'd switch over to it when i needed to use tools like that 01:02:58.970 --> 01:03:04.230 on my phone i see get my work done and then switch back which is also it's just a healthy 01:03:04.230 --> 01:03:11.470 healthy boundary for your mind as well that that's uh that's a really clever feature 01:03:12.670 --> 01:03:17.750 yeah absolutely and so so yeah so if you wanted to use google stuff you can use it 01:03:17.750 --> 01:03:22.390 you'd put on the second profile and then you could install google services right because it 01:03:22.390 --> 01:03:27.170 doesn't come by default you can install it it's still much safer than using it on a normal 01:03:27.170 --> 01:03:32.770 phone because it's going from like a normal big tech phone it's got like god mode over the 01:03:32.770 --> 01:03:38.170 entire phone you can see everything that's going on here right it's just being it's just doing what 01:03:38.170 --> 01:03:44.470 it's asked for nothing else right because you're not putting all your photos on that partitioned 01:03:44.470 --> 01:03:50.330 area right so it can't access that you got it exactly right yeah so you when you give it 01:03:50.330 --> 01:03:55.370 the permission to look at your files it's just looking in the profile really it's looking at 01:03:55.370 --> 01:04:01.850 nothing essentially exactly yeah so so this this this phone has a lot of different things 01:04:01.850 --> 01:04:07.170 that you can do with it in terms of permissions you can also do that on the main profile if you are 01:04:07.170 --> 01:04:13.830 like you have any uh you have any suspicions about an app you can even tell it hey don't give it access 01:04:13.830 --> 01:04:21.290 to my entire phone give it access to uh just this one folder for pictures just give it access to 01:04:21.290 --> 01:04:25.850 one folder right so you can start making this is called storage scopes you can make decisions 01:04:25.850 --> 01:04:33.330 like that you can also make the same decision for contacts hey uh whatsapp or signal or telegram 01:04:33.330 --> 01:04:37.670 or anything that keeps asking for contacts i'm not going to give you my thousand contacts in 01:04:37.670 --> 01:04:43.410 my address book i'm just going to give you the four i talked to on this app and so yeah these are 01:04:43.410 --> 01:04:48.810 really easy to use and important features you can to you can use to improve those are 01:04:48.810 --> 01:04:53.430 like the things that i wondered why didn't they give you that optionality 01:04:54.870 --> 01:04:59.090 to begin with right but you could see it's because they want as much data as possible 01:05:00.610 --> 01:05:06.770 it's the association graph you know they say you're going to be like the people you spend 01:05:06.770 --> 01:05:14.590 the most time with and so they can really tell who you are by who you associate with so that's 01:05:14.590 --> 01:05:22.050 very important data for them so well hakeem this has been like i i've learned a lot um i'm 01:05:22.050 --> 01:05:28.290 very impressed with uh with your device in terms of the functionality because i i wasn't expecting 01:05:29.030 --> 01:05:37.430 you know such a practical uh use uh case for it so and then you have you know all these 01:05:37.430 --> 01:05:43.010 amazing resources like uh the document on the digital id and such just let me give you an 01:05:43.010 --> 01:05:48.170 opportunity to sort of make like a closing statement you know about overall what's the message 01:05:48.170 --> 01:05:55.270 that you really want to uh you know give people out there and then um where where else you know 01:05:55.270 --> 01:05:59.310 can they where what's the best place to find out more about these things and of course we'll put 01:05:59.310 --> 01:06:08.650 all the links below i think that we all have the power to take these these things that are 01:06:08.650 --> 01:06:14.690 cutting at us from all sides which feel like weapons and we have the power at any time to turn 01:06:14.690 --> 01:06:21.730 them into tools and it's up to us to start using the tools and to start building so i hope that 01:06:21.730 --> 01:06:27.110 these devices help you with whatever you're doing whether it's learning or building or 01:06:27.110 --> 01:06:33.790 starting your business and so yeah this is where we're in transition and so we need tools to 01:06:33.790 --> 01:06:43.690 reflect our intentions um so 20 27 is going to be a big year i think on the milestone to 2030 01:06:43.690 --> 01:06:50.390 just be very vigilant about who you're sharing your data with and use tools like these to build 01:06:50.390 --> 01:06:56.710 the most valuable data set you can have which is the human relationships and connections within 01:06:56.710 --> 01:07:03.130 your community that's way more valuable than the billions of gigabytes these big companies 01:07:03.130 --> 01:07:11.470 are sitting on and so that's the message i have and if you would like to get an above phone or even 01:07:11.470 --> 01:07:20.870 a laptop we just started our holiday sale today and here it is if you go to abovephone.com slash 01:07:22.050 --> 01:07:30.210 dr kaufman dr kaufman you'll be able to to check out our our devices we have several 01:07:30.210 --> 01:07:37.870 that are available for you we have a laptop that is loaded with local private ai that you can use 01:07:37.870 --> 01:07:45.810 even if the grid is down and it's trained on millions of pages of natural health um natural health 01:07:45.810 --> 01:07:52.110 expert interviews and also survival information um yesterday i asked it how do i dig a well 01:07:52.110 --> 01:07:58.270 and it wrote me out a three page roadmap of what tools i need to buy everything it was it's 01:07:58.270 --> 01:08:03.750 just incredible so you can start to use this on our laptops you can also start to use it on our 01:08:03.750 --> 01:08:11.370 phones as well and again it'll work offline so um our holiday sale is we've been stocking up all year 01:08:11.370 --> 01:08:17.930 for this time of year and so we're offering 500 bucks off different phones and devices there's 01:08:17.930 --> 01:08:23.430 extra discounts if you 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figure out what you need to do and how to use your new phone 01:09:10.450 --> 01:09:15.910 so you get an hour with a real person and there's always ongoing support if you chat with us this 01:09:15.910 --> 01:09:21.010 is the way we encourage you to get in touch with us immediately there's a chat button on our website 01:09:21.830 --> 01:09:28.390 and there is a community call uh sometime in january for anyone who buys doing this holiday 01:09:28.390 --> 01:09:34.810 season so those are that's kind of our holiday sale um in terms of the phones i recommend anything 01:09:35.430 --> 01:09:43.450 in the nine series um these can these are updated until 2031 and it's not like they 01:09:43.450 --> 01:09:49.930 stopped working after that but it's got a very long update lifetime which is great um and then this 01:09:49.930 --> 01:09:57.070 laptop that i mentioned this quantum laptop now uh those are holiday specials i will mention that 01:09:57.070 --> 01:10:04.650 we have a uh it's been it's been really crazy for us this year we may not get it in time for 01:10:04.650 --> 01:10:09.590 you by christmas that's just kind of the reality of having a lot of people uh want these things 01:10:09.590 --> 01:10:14.590 and having a small business but we will get it out as soon as possible it's possible we get it in 01:10:14.590 --> 01:10:20.870 january so just note that it's kind of laid on in the process and um yeah i would love to support you 01:10:21.470 --> 01:10:28.370 in your journey if you're interested in any of the content we talked about today there is the 01:10:28.370 --> 01:10:33.550 digital id report which you can go to abovephone.com slash digital or just find it in our 01:10:33.550 --> 01:10:38.090 navigation bar it's a 30 page report that details everything you need to know about 01:10:38.090 --> 01:10:44.230 digital id you'll be very informed we also have an ebook on privacy settings you can change on 01:10:44.230 --> 01:10:49.830 your normal phone if you'd like to um and then if you want to follow any of my content i do a weekly 01:10:49.830 --> 01:10:56.110 show on substack called uh the teabot show take back our tech show and this is a free educational 01:10:56.110 --> 01:11:01.630 thing i do uh releasing releasing new content every week so if you're interested in that that's 01:11:01.630 --> 01:11:07.170 where i am so yeah thanks for letting me uh pitch myself there absolutely and uh those are a lot 01:11:07.170 --> 01:11:13.670 of resources for people to take advantage of and i love your closing message akim it's really been a 01:11:13.670 --> 01:11:19.230 pleasure thank you so much for coming on and talking to us today thank you for having me thank you for 01:11:19.230 --> 01:11:20.010 watching blessings