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Tuesday July 7th welcome to another episode of what the hell is happening with myself and Charlie Robinson today a lot of
Interesting things to get into but even in the peak kind of stupidity and chaos of what this kind of show is meant to encapsulate
It feels especially kind of chaotic and spun out recently like more even than the beginning of this administration
Whether that's like today a lot of the conversation around you know
The the foreign policy discussions and how it just seems kind of like you know
Trump seems to be it sort of a lesser degree of even what he was in the first place
Yeah, I find that interesting who knows if that's by design, but there's a lot we could talk about today that feels it's a
You know, I don't know deliberately confusing if you will I'm not sure but let's let's start with whatever might be on your mind
How are you today? First of all, I'm good. It reminds me of the movie good fellas
In good fellas, it was a crazy movie all the way through everybody knows that but it was relatively mild in the beginning
And then as you got into the end
When he's when Henry Hill started to get into cocaine
They the editing sped up and the cuts were more frantic and you felt jittery just watching it
You kind of put you in that mindset and that's kind of how I feel like this administration start
You knew it was gonna be crazy. You knew the movie was going to be
Wild when you started but we're now in that part where they're jump jump cutting and
and shooting it from angles that make you feel a little bit more revved up and paranoid and you know, of course
we have the the 4th of July
250th birthday party which felt more like a going-out-of-business sale to me and
And and and it was also kind of an encapsulation of the Trump presidency where they made the big announcement
Total like
Ready fire aim situation. They made the big announcement about everybody that was gonna be involved in it
People immediately started backing out then Trump said they were stupid and old and has been and he didn't want them anyway
Then he admitted that he was going to be the star of the show and that he was gonna do the all the talking
He've just talked for three hours and that's who everybody came to see anyway, which was a
Peak inside his narcissism, but also
Strangely also true
Which was I think probably more psychologically damaging when you realize, you know, he's not wrong
That everyone is probably there to listen to him just go on and on and on and talk for hours
Love or in between definitely
It's it's one of these moments, you know, it's all a bit crazy, of course
We we deal with the crazy as a matter of standard operating procedure, but
Even within it you you know that there are sometimes where it feels like there's a little bit of a peak or a little
It's things are a little bit revved up. They're a little bit more chaotic than normal
And that's where I feel we are now and that might be a sign
That
Things have gone off the rails a bit or that they're running out of time or that there's there's less of a script
And it's more improved improv of things moving forward and that would attribute to the this seeming chaos of the situation, but
But you're not alone in thinking that I think a lot of people have are feeling that these days
Do you do you think it's you know, I mean look it's worth pointing out that in in any moment
I think people in that moment tend to feel like that's the P you know
That there's been
Chaotic moments of the past and you wonder whether or not this is any more chaotic than those and it's just we're in it
And we feel that way. I don't think so
I mean, I think we can try to be objective and look back at pretty, you know
But maybe that's the case maybe where we'll look back in 20 years and be like man, that was nothing
It's crazy now and maybe that would be the reality
But you know you can't we tend to be in it it feels more impactful and more more, you know
But I think that it's it is you can't you can look back at just previous print, you know over the last
I don't know 20 years and you can see a very clear difference in not just narrative and wedge issues, but like
the
Decorum, you know, I think that speaks to something. I have my opinions about what that is
But it feels like you know, like I think what you keep pointing out like you said the the
What you call it like last time you said it which I keep referencing the idea that they're just stealing the silverware from the white
House analogy for what, you know, it's like it's just a secondary
Sophomoric version of what it's always been
I just kind of get that sense from all of this and I don't necessarily think that's all by design
even if maybe it's like a secondary factor of
Somebody who benefits by having incompetent people and that's just what incompetent people do
So you could you know make that argument that it is sort of the same point
But even if it's a byproduct but either way good
We're moving from a high trust society into a low trust society
And there's a segment of the population that remembers how it used to be
Yeah
And that's a problem because if you if you're just in a low trust society and we're born into it and that's how
That's just your world, you know, it's a fish being born into the water has
No knowledge of anything outside of that
But when you remember what it used to be like and how it is now
And you know, I see I see footage
I there's the social media footage recently of a teen takeover in Newport Beach on 4th of july
Well, you know, that's personal to me
Because I remember living in Newport Beach
There for 4th of july in 92 and 93
And I remember what it used to be like and it wasn't that
Right
So things have changed and by the way the Newport Beach police
Departments are the biggest gestapo in southern california that you they would have loved an opportunity to crack skulls in a
Situation like this and yet it didn't happen
So everything feels degraded like a photocopied version of reality, you know, but not it's still kind, you know
still same street names and
But the streets look a little bit more rough, you know
And everything was just a little bit more degraded and if you
If you just came recently, whether that's to america or to los angeles as an example, you know
And you don't have the perspective to remember what it was in the past
It doesn't hit the same way it does somebody who's like i used i grew up here
And it's not this and and you can insert any city really it doesn't have to be los angeles, but
People remember how it used to be and they know that it's not there
It's not where we are now and that gap to get back to where we used to be
I don't know that people feel like there's a path and maybe that's a little bit of the demoralization process too
It's like
If we want to get back to that the amount of things that would have to happen are almost
Insurmountable like it almost feels like what's the point?
So i can understand why people feel like i don't know if there's much to celebrate after 250 years
I mean we're we're still having the same problems
Well, I think there's a couple points to make one which is you know that
I think that's partly by design. I think we agree on that that it's like this engineered sort of
Highlighting a problem that's always been there to get us into the phase of accepting the next solution
but
The question should be asked
Was that even the road the you know, we're looking through rosecode glasses
That's always going to be the case but even then take away the glasses
Was that even really what we were talking about? You know, I mean there's yes, there's a degradation
I think we can see that but the question is
Was it ever what we thought it was?
You know what? I mean, and I think it's a really valid thing to ask that you know
We can look here's a good kind of quick
You know even within the memory of where we currently are today pointing to obama and what he
Like not represented but projected
Is not the same thing as saying that you know like you could look at obama and say he projected a more stable
Thing than trump does but this doesn't say that it was more stable
You could even argue that it necessarily might have been but the point is that they I I I think I prefer
A position where you can see the chaotic reality
Even though it makes you feel more uncomfortable than living in a position where you're pretending
Through decorum that somehow this is all absolutely good and we're fighting for freedom and they never did any of that
You know, so it's it's a mixed bag. I agree with your point
But I do think it's worthy
I think we're all should be reflecting on whether we even had what we thought we did as they try to kind of
Shuffle us into using a justification whatever they argue is going to save that it might not even been there
You know prime example of that is prisoner of the moment with the epstein situation and saying oh my god
I can't believe that politicians are doing that to kids
For getting completely the franklin scandal. Yes, right, you know, which would show that this was happening
This had been happening decades ago. So
There's a temptation to be kind of caught up in the moment
This is the worst it's ever been and and and of course that sells for a variety of reasons and some things and
But but if you're if you're trying to really accurately measure things in retrospect, I look, you know, I I'm sure
2014 had its chaos
But in retrospect from where I am right now, it seems relatively mild. Yeah, like almost nothing was happening, you know
and so
You just you just wonder it in the end of empire
Perhaps, you know, the acceleration
The the the destruction of of the civilization sort of accelerates everything happens a little bit faster the chaos ramps up
more so
Um as you tightly spin down the drain at the very end here, that's where we are and and
I don't recall
If I noticed chaos 25 years ago and made a comment about it, that might have been one thing
But now if I if I notice it and make a comment to people they all not in agreement
Which is something that's a little different than before
In the past you could find these problems and you could point it out
But if people weren't paying attention to it, it wasn't on their radar now
It it's almost so obvious
That even if you're oh, I'm not into politics. It doesn't matter
Yep, you you notice the degradation of yours. Are you into the mall? Have you been to the mall recently?
It's either out of business all the stores are gone or the people who are there are turning it into someplace
It's uninhabitable so so even if it's it's starting to permeate everybody
Not just the people who are paying attention or who want to be in the know
But now it's to the point where even if you are actively against knowing this information
It's going to find you one way or another whether you wanted to or not. I agree. I mean, what's interesting is look at what
I mean, and this is why I think all people are grappling with like that
That's hard to acknowledge or accept
But like look at what trump did with this administration
And then we can see why it's easy to see why things that might not have been mainstream have become mainstream
And maybe this was a miscalculation on their part
They came out and put these things on the center of their administration
Maha make america great again, and they and they centered around things now. They're not now
They're they're doing the opposite, you know the epstein files and the health related things which I have one we can talk about
And so what happened was these were things that were fringe, right? Oh, that's conspiracy theorists
What vaccines you guys are crazy and they inadvertently maybe by design
I think it's inadvertently made these things become
Everybody talking points and so now you can't hide from them, right now. You can't ignore
Israel influence even though that was something that was so fringe you were so crazy and even you know it now
It's impossible to ignore, you know, so I don't know if that was a mistake or by design
I guess we'll find out down the line
But clearly it's made sure because of that that average people have
Insight into things even if they're barely paying attention and that's a that's a win for us
You know in my opinion, you know, I really do think and I think that and that's what people are trying
Like that's what I think a lot of this is about is trying to get us past that but I want to go back to the point about
You know, so now we're coming at recalling this things out
I think a vast majority of americans and so now you're getting this
Argument that you're somehow, you know, you you just hate america
And it's interesting seeing is how it's very not it's not one side or the other
In fact, most these like flock cameras, even how we're talking about it's obviously
Just everybody, you know, it's it's not a partisan issue
But now they're making it about how you hate america
Which is just an interesting kind of spin because you're fighting for these american values
But it just becomes this they have to try to carve it into the left right dynamic
You know to make it somehow like you're a communist or you're this which you know
We you and I've talked a lot about just government in general, you know, it's it's I don't I don't know
Where do you feel that fits in right now?
Do you think bringing back the 50s communist red scare is going to have any effect on left or right?
Like truly like in momentum style and I mean some people will get into it, but what do you think?
Well accusing the flock left of hating america
By cutting down flock they'd agree with you. They do hate america
It's not even that's not even an insult to them. They would be like yes, and
um, the the idea of a of a red scare moving forward, I mean it's
It's it's it's frustrating to me because
There are
There are components here that we we can agree on flock cameras great one like who who would have thought data centers another one
This digital surveillance seems to be a unifying factor here left and right imagine that so
I would envision them them trying to do something to divide us, right?
I mean, it's not surprising that they would go to cutting down flock cameras as unamerican
What what can they go to?
They're backed into a bit of a corner because you know it'd be one thing if they're like listen
It's only on the roads. It's just only on the roads, but it's like it's not on the roads
It's on the hiking trails and entrances into parking lots and I mean schools. It's it's everywhere. It's not
so
So I would expect to do some sort of divide and conquer, but wouldn't it be funny if the thing that
United the the loony left and the the unhinged right is that they came together on their on their
Yeah, they're they're hatred of
Big tech surveillance of all things the really interesting point you just made right there
And so this is what I'm you know
Grappling with around this maga conversation in particular is so, you know the loony left and the and the what did you
What was it that word used?
You know
But I see that as the team's sport sides, I don't think either of those sides even care about the flock cameras
I think probably not the underlying majority of left and right, you know liberal conservative
Like they're not bound by the team's for perspective who are seeing as a problem regardless what side you're on
Right, so it's you know like to your point about like that. They hate america like I think here's what's interesting
I think you can find people on the right who scream america first who hate this country who are who vary whether they
Acknowledge that or not they're undermining foundational things
They're siding with a foreign power over our interests
You got people on the left doing the same equivalents in different ways where they're fighting for things that they you know
They hate the ideas of these country from a different side of the perspective, right?
And you can go through many different values, you know, but what I see I see today
Is there's a middle ground?
I argue the majority of either side of those who even if they're wrong
Like let me ask you this. Do you think there's a person on that's a left-leaning person who actually believes communism will be best for this country?
I think you I think yes when they're when you're young
And you don't know the details of it fair enough
It's tempting to think that
That the problem is that
The the way the resources are pooled
Is an issue and that if only they were redistributed a little differently that would solve all these problems
but
You can't you can't start tinkering with that stuff without
The law of unintended consequences where you start messing with that guy's big stack
And then that does other things to the market and next thing you know, there is no marketplace
Right, right. Well, I'm not trying to defend commune is like I don't know if it's bad to me
I think that's very clear
I think government in and of itself regardless of what direction it takes
We should all be fighting the point that i'm getting to though is about whether they think that because you know, I agree with you
You know, I this is I get we I think well anybody who takes a stance that it from from a like a non-partisan
Will always in certain cases be framed as one side or the other
I you know that I support communism or I support fascism. I don't all government's bad
I know we both agree on that right but but what's important though is that I think there's democrats
And potentially even a the majority of average people that believe
On that opinion side whatever that is of the conversation that communism or whatever they believe their flavor of it
Is actually what will help this country?
And it's because of the way that this constant extreme back and forth go
It's the left-right paradigm right the the fascistic push of the far, you know
And then that's why people go well clearly
It's jimmy door's argument of why leaning in with trump was the right move because look at what democrats did with the genocide
It was logical, but those paying attention long enough are going to go
Well, it's just going to be the same cycle right now. They're going to do it
So you get people that get driven into thinking and younger people that haven't learned these lessons that that communist side
Is the op is the reaction to what they're doing today
And eventually you get the nationalist push that go, you know, and my point is
There are people that have been convinced that a fascistic dictatorial all-encompassing or a
CEO run technocratic thing are what's best for this country and they believe that's american
There's republic democrats that believe that's the case. So what i'm getting at is that by by
The government creating this impression that people who are fighting for that are unamerican
Whether it's left or right is like the most unamerican thing in the conversation
You see what i'm saying because it creates this idea that you're not allowed to think outside
Trump right now is saying if you disagree with this you're you hate america as opposed to realizing that
Disagreeing and debating is quintessentially american. I find that wildly dangerous
Even if it's about something i disagree with you know and and he's missing an opportunity here
To to talk like a human being and to say something like that to say
you know
Actually what it means to be well first of all, I don't know that if trump knows what it means to be an american
Or what that means to him is something different because what what he i think what he means
Thinks being an american is is that you get like an opportunity to
Make big deals or something. I don't know that that seems to be
All all that he's about but but there's some other things that come along with it
Which is the ability to criticize the government now
I don't know that i'm holding my breath for the government to come out and say that one of the great things about america
Is your ability to criticize them but but it is one of the things that is uniquely american
Where like you you can't there is a line now that line has been crossed
By by the government with individuals time and time again
But in theory it sort of holds that we have this freedom of speech component and if if
if the if the jaw if the purpose
you know were to unite people or to to
You know trump could have he'd have an opportunity there to say
at this time, you know one of the things that is
Very america that we hold, you know near and dear and all the words that they use
Is our ability to disagree with each other and isn't that great and isn't that nice that we can work these things out without having to go to war
He doesn't say that though. He doesn't want that. I think he wants chaos. I think he wants
division I think he doesn't
I he's not the great uniter. I mean we know that he is a divider of people. Yeah, and um
and so
I don't know. I wonder if if this is going to be I I think I feel like I say this all the time, but I wonder if if
What is it going to be that wakes people up?
To what's happening. Mm-hmm. What's it gonna take? You know, is it a 9-11 event? Is it another covet?
Is it is it a jfk? Is it is it a isn't a bent? Is it a thing?
Or is it possible
that people just get fed up and
and run out of patience
Well, that's already happened
Yeah, I think you know, I mean I I'm with you. I agree and I could be wrong
But you know either way. Yes, you know, what will that take?
But I kind of feel like we crossed that line a long time ago
And I feel like we've been grappling with this kind of rapid growing
You know discontent of the american like majority that gets that is completely not
What's the word that they're they're uh disenfranchised like they're not even represented anymore by the cartoons of the left and right
I I feel like that's what this whole thing is about right now. I hope people can at least consider that, you know
What what and and if that is the case and it and it certainly does feel like
There's an opportunity
For somebody in the middle and that that of course is is an opportunity and a problem
Right because that that that is where the strongman comes in and and offers the solution to the problems that you've been facing
So there's undeniably problems and you've got a a segment of society or a segment of america who
Who maybe voted for trump?
On three different occasions. Maybe believe the lies all three times while they were casting that vote
But now like an abused spouse who's finally seeing the light
They're able to
Admit that they're in an abusive relationship with their government and with their president
And that he has promised a lot of things that he hasn't delivered on and they want to leave the party
They want to leave the marriage
But they can't they don't know where to go. Isn't that the problem that all abused people have is that fine
I leave here, which is bad. It's the devil. I know right
I'm going to go somewhere else to the devil. I don't know in a situation that maybe I can't control
And now I think people are finally starting to say I want to leave
They're not going to go to the democrats right if you voted voted for trump. That's not an option that they're just incompatible
You don't want that you want something else but not that yeah, I agree with you and isn't that just
A perfect
Like couldn't you just walk everybody right into a trap of somebody who comes in and says
The left is unreasonable. The right is unreasonable. I offer the logical solution
Right is because that's what everybody wants to hear. I think at this point
And and it's hard to see what people would fall for that
It's it's everything we're actually asking for but that's why we have to be skeptical of the america party the elon musk
thomas massie tucker carlson, you know
But while hoping that it could be what we want and so that's the hardest part for most people I think is
You know, maybe even they they have good intent
Let's just let's just assume rightly or wrongly that they have great intentions that they actually
Want to do what they're saying that they want to do maybe they do maybe they don't but let's pretend that they do
You then have to make a calculation. How much can they get accomplished right in the current system in the current framework working against
The the outside influences that that finance with money and opposition candidates and everything like you know
How this will play out like it's one thing to want it and let's assume they do
And and it's another thing to get the people behind you because they want it
But can you deliver on what you promise and if you can't you're gonna look like a fraud
You're gonna you're gonna really demoralize people because they you got them
Feeling like they had a chance with a third party or third, you know candidate type situation only to run
Sprinting into a brick wall and then that might just be the end of it, right?
That might just be the thing that finally people throw their hands up and go i'm done bringing the technocratic government
Whatever just make it stop with these politicians that are destroying our lives like anything but this
Yeah, i mean it's it's a well-crafted plan, you know, i mean it's certainly you know, but it's i could see
You know, you could argue that the effort of doing it is necessary
Even if it you know, even if it's designed to fail the point though is it has to be gone at with that
Point like you have to be clear about that like if if you were honest in my opinion and you noticed that that potential shortfall
You would talk about it now, you know, you would make your argument like we're doing this to call attention to the broken system
We have designs to you know
Create, you know, it's it's hard to know where
It we every let's put it this way every possible avenue, even if it would be something i agree with
Opens another possibility for the system to be manipulated, right? Let's bring in steve and we keep going. Hey steve
Well, thanks for joining brother. No worries. How's it going? It opens the possibility for far more
You know like they can step in to try to drive it into the direction that would benefit the system
But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try, you know
This is where you get into this confounding position where people will criticize us for poo pooing on everything that comes around
But we're not, you know, it's like we need to be open to that possible positive outcome
But be skeptical every single step of the way as i mean it comes down to whether or not we think the system itself is even
Salvatable and this is the point i keep making if we can all go. Yeah, look, it's broken everything's broken
And everything's cheating there's 17 levers to them to mess with every single decision we make and then go
Oh, but tucker let's vote with tucker. It's like well, that's good. That's that doesn't make sense
Right. I mean that's where we have to get to and if we do think that then we need to talk about a new system
Not necessarily just a new party, but that's very hard for people to see
We're not we're not all jumping on board with tucker and margie
All right
Where it seemed like such a lucrative proposition
Well, it sounds good
You know what? I mean like
If you're making sense, you know, you're you're talking about they're rightly pointing out problems. It's hard. You go, yeah, yeah, right?
But but but are you gonna fix them? Can you fix them? Can't you keep do you have the
Capacity to do the things that you say need to be done or do you want?
Do you even want to or or do you maybe you want to but then somewhere around the
Around the line, you know
Guy whispers in your ear
You know you do do it our way or bad things happen to you and your family
And then it's like we're right back to where we started like we can have a third party a fourth party
But if you can manipulate every party by threatening to blow them to smithereens if they don't get on board with you
Then then what are we doing? It gets back to your your point ryan about like well, we have to keep trying
You know quitting isn't an option stopping and just giving up isn't isn't going to do it
But yeah, they may stop everybody. They may stop you time and time again, but you have to keep
Putting up roadblocks for them. It's a frustrating time
Yeah, no it definitely is and I think that's the the what's easiest to abuse
You know is that people are fed up and they're tired and the engineered apathy is probably one of our biggest enemies in all of this
Because it's in and this is what people people tend to frame what we do is sort of checking out
It's the opposite, you know, we're some of the most politically active people in the conversation
We just don't believe that voting is the path to the most change if not any if any of it
But it's it's showing people that we need to make sure we're continually engaging with the system while continuing to be critical
Of every single aspect of it, you know, it's I know we all want something
You know, we want some positive flip here
We just have to like I would argue the same thing I say about massy every time if massy is who he says he is
He would demand that we're more critical of him than anybody else
An honest person would demand that of us and I'd like to hope that that's where this goes
But just, you know, it's it's the system is in fact the problem
Especially if we're seeing the foreign influence element of it, which is not even getting into whether they even care about what they say
If they don't have any real ability to see these things to fruition, you know
But I get why this is confounding for people because there's no immediate solution other than
You know trying to find a path around the actual system
But see this is the idea is that government itself
Is not necessary for the world that we want to build and until we can acknowledge or at least consider that part
It's never we're never going to be able to get to where we want to go with it
But again, I digress because that's not what we're focusing on today, but it's it's frustrating
So let's take this into something I wanted to get into first and I do want to talk about since
it's kind of relevant to what we just talked about the kind of a
State the patriot front just dc display and you know what that represents for some what I see as sort of a larger
All of government sort of divide and conquer tactic
But first because it's just the one point on this then this kind of brings to what I think that that is
I guess in part designed to do deflect from stuff like this
This is just one more thing we've all been calling out
Trump administration approved three new forever chemicals. That's PFAS
Pesticides last week for use on food crops including corn soybeans the most widely grown crops crops in the country
As well as wheat kiwi oats peas broccoli and coffee
Of course the ones that they might force other countries to buy, you know, because that's
They seem not going to successfully do I argue
But the joke and implied that we're going to force people to buy our disgusting food that nobody wants at the world cup
But you know, you get the point and the
Continuing to push and to prove and support all of all of the things that were not just kind of like tangential
But we're like front and center in the mahal conversation. So what are your thoughts?
Minor steves because Steve you go either one
Why this is what we've come to expect from the trump administration and from mahal in general is
Heavy rhetoric that sounds great
In a result that gives
immunity to bare monsanto that provides a pathway to spray periquad on everything
The you know, it's just long on talk and then the action is the exact opposite
You can look at the fluoride case for another example and a whole lot more
And this is by you know reinforcing the point
That a governmental approach to this may may not be the best
best solution and
As far as what you know, what is going on the crops
The best way that you can mitigate that is to get to know the people who grow and produce the food that you can't grow and produce
Have a handshake relationship with them. Know what their first name is. You might even learn what their family's names are, you know, and that's
That's building a food system
based on trust
And that's something that big ag can't provide you it's something the state can't provide you
It's only peer-to-peer relationships that you have active engagement in that can create that kind of trust
So please go do that
Yeah, well said and you know it goes well beyond just the dangers of the pesticides if you understand the direction
This is all going in you know, whether we're talking about just the the nanotech or the graphene tracking stuff
These aren't jokes. These aren't hypothetical. There's tons of peer-reviewed science discussing how to use these elements to better
match, you know
Monetize but also what's the word I'm looking for?
You know be able to track through mech track through metrics like everything like bodies of water trees, you know
Just do the commodifying or the
tokenizing like everything and or and that's what this is going towards, you know
So to think about that in the context of what they're spraying on, you know
And naturally in there, you know, but they would frame in the in the environment versus just things that are giving you cancer
Or destroying your food supply or any number of those things. What do you think about Charlie?
moving into a natural asset corporation sort of world where you're
Where you're putting everything on the blockchain and next thing, you know, you you can't
You know far already the farms small and medium-sized farms are under massive regulations and they're forced to do things that others aren't
and
It's it's created an uneven playing field in the farming
industry subsidies like crazy the
Adam Smith invisible hand of marketplace is
Giving a middle finger to everybody with regard to anything having to do with like the USDA and all the
where the government puts its thumb on the scale and just
You know compensates farmers and pays them not to farm and all these backward sorts of
things that we're doing it it's
It's chaos with our food supply and it and I don't think it's accidental
Which is the worst part about it is it seems to be made to happen
Setting up like a two-tier in the same way kind of they did with covid where
Sure, there's a deadly virus and everybody's dying. We have to close the small and medium-sized hardware stores
But lows and home depot is still open. I mean same same can be said about the the factory farming
You know things like that, you know the these rules apply maybe they apply to everybody
But only the big guys have the financial capacity to
Meet the rules and and therefore it locks everybody else out in a report, you know works like that
So so they've they've been manipulating and and
The marketplace for a long long time
It'd just be nice to see what it looks like if the government took its thumb off the scale that in and of itself would be
I mean obviously getting the the chemicals out would be a nice thing
But what what would the agricultural industry look like without government interference? I wonder
Well, you make a very important point there that's that's tangential to this but
Equally important like the idea whether it's pesticides or anything else
Organic, you know where they create
These these like bars to reach that they act is just you know, what's necessary for safety
Which aren't even really actually more safe
But then that completely box out the local cattleman the local farmer
You know that's what they do and create it make an impossible situation for them to actually do the way they want to do it
Which is actually what people largely want more, you know, but it's but it's for your safety, you know
It is it's by design. It's disgusting, you know, it's it's the
Idea that you're somehow not able to go get your raw milk or your local farmer or, you know
Even do it yourself these days
I just you know
These are fundamental thing aspects of our freedom that people just aren't you know
If you're it's it goes back to a classic idea
If you're willing to give up your freedom and your liberty for anything let alone some convenience and safety
Then you deserve none of them
paraphrasing obviously, you know, and that's where we are right now
And I like to believe that most people are suddenly becoming acutely aware of why that's so important
Whether that's because of the Hormuz discussion and supply chains or, you know
Feeling weirdly reminiscent of all the stuff they were fighting during covet 19, you know, slightly different framing, you know
I think people see it
One of the things I think is important to talk about on the back of that which I did want to get make sure
We talked about briefly. It's just this this
engineered divide and you know, I mean
Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe maybe there's more maybe there's one side that's actually fighting for your freedom
I just don't I just don't find that to be valid
But you know, we're dealing with this interesting thing with the you know the the patriot front march
By the way, which is only one element of a larger sort of, you know, whether it's all like, I don't think any of these are completely
Artificial there are people within these which I think we can prove that like believe what they're doing
There's also people that we can prove that are and they're not faceless as they're going they never investigated
We know most of these people say I've gone back to you know
post january 6th talked about the overlap with the alzap movement and autumn waffen and and uh
You know all these different groups they that they connect back to you know
So I think that there's level that go back to intelligence through israeli us and multiple factors
But it's like, you know, clearly. I think it's just like a false kind of creation to get people, you know, citing with
I mean, I don't even what do you guys think about this in regard to how it's being used before you answer
I will point out that I think it's interesting that you know
Easily highlight that patriot front is not out there busting in windows and breaking things down
That's not the argument that I'm making. I don't think it's about both of them doing the same thing
It's about both of them doing what's necessary for the side that they're on to drive us into a certain point of manipulation
You know, but what do you guys think about this and the whole overlap of where it is currently with what trump's doing
You're muted
We we deserve better psyops
We do yeah, this is just it's lame
It's tired
The this wasn't even last season. This was like 2021
that we were dealing with this nonsense and it's just it
It's so cartoonishly bad
that
It makes me makes me kind of embarrassed
Not not for the people who are trying to put this on it
But for us that we haven't demonstrated that we're savvy enough to deserve a higher caliber psyop
I'm a snob when it comes to my false flag, Steve
An aficionado
I demand with the respect that a true aficionado has
I I agree. I where are the shoes? Where are the bicycles? Where is it? Where are the symbols that I'm seeing?
I don't get any of this anymore
They see everything's degraded. Even the false flags are lower quality. I mean, it's just where are we?
Can we start over and turn turn off cern and unplug it plug it back in or whatever?
Well, they did they did that a week ago monday they turned off cern until 2030 the last the
The last time they did that was right before the announcement of the military olympics
Oh
Nothing happened after that either i'm sure
Right, right. There have been a couple of different periods where they've turned off cern and then within 30 days to
30 hours there's been like major
weather events major market
manipulation and crashes
things of that nature
So it should be interesting. I mean, it's never going to be boring
The collapse of the empire it may be a lot of things but boring it ain't
No, it's a writer. I'm i'm i'm the it's a embarrassment of riches. You kidding me?
I don't even know where i'm sitting on the hill
Surveying all of the carnage wishing it wasn't happening. But my god, where do we where do we start? It's it's uh
It's frustrating. I think maybe
Maybe maybe this is how all empires people felt with the end of the empire
But it's frustrating because you can see how it didn't have to happen
Where the things that that
The the things that took it down in the end the the it's you know that
That up the the collapse
were avoidable
Preventable and injected into the situation to make it worse, you know
We didn't have to have and it doesn't have to be the way it is
The the things that are going wrong are being made to happen the
20 million people coming across the southern border. It's not accidental. It's it's intentional. So
So why?
You know, what does that mean who's driving that?
You know, because clearly that's not what seems to be in the interest of the us government right now
Like at least the people in those positions
So, you know, you know my opinion. I think there's obviously at least some element being driven from from kind of israel manipulation
for whatever they believe through their
Prophetic end times destruction which necessitates the collapse of this country. So it seems like an interesting possibility
But I do think there's more factors than that
You know, like what what do you guys think in regard to the incompetence point, you know
Deserving better psyops, like what do you think that is?
Do you think it's what I'm saying that it's like by design because it's supposed to be seen
Do you think it's because these people are just absolutely that incompetent and then why is that the case?
Like why, you know, how do you read that? I just think it's an interesting time to reflect on where that is
It just maybe just failing
Good
It's like
you know how like the
oligarch class has their offspring and that generation is just not as competent as
And then they have and then the wheels fall off by the third generation. They've squandered all the money
That's kind of how I feel like there was a time where when the intelligence apparatus
Was so dialed in, you know, that that that early cia the fbi all of that where you just felt like
When they put it together in operation
It was so good that you didn't know it was happening until decades later when you
Put on a tinfoil hat and looked into it and then you could see where it was all but while you were in it
I think the hallmark of a good psyop or false flag is that while you're in it, you don't know you're in it
And I think that right now there are a lot of people that know they're in it
And so if you know, you're in a psyop it's like less
Likely to impact you or you're more likely to go. I've seen this part before this is where they do this and that and then the media says that
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and so maybe it's because
They've run them back to back so tightly together, you know, and in the last couple of years
Maybe they feel that there's like some sort of like the clock is ticking and they have to hurry up
But because of of the tight window in which they've been running it
It feels like maybe people are paying attention in a way that they they weren't in
August of 2001, right? They didn't know what they it weren't it wasn't on their radar to think about false flags
But now we live in a world where my 14 year old daughter made a comment to me about little st. James
You know what I mean? I got how do you how did you know?
so if
It's becoming cultural now
So so I think the psyops have to change
um with the times
Yeah, there's a ridiculous amount of like junior high and high school kids that
Make epstein related jokes that have context
for for what the jokes are a framework for it and
The you know plus side of
Short-form video content, I guess
It is that it's
introduced what would have been complete conspiracy theory just five years ago as
Okay, well, this is the way the world works
This is factual information based on what people in power have been caught doing have been exposed doing blah blah blah blah
and so
It's got to be covered a story yesterday
Uh gen z has taken it upon themselves in new york city to organize a festival called the summer of ludd
Based on the ludd they do a play about the history of the luddite movement
And they're holding workshops on how to talk to people in real life and how not to be you know
Engaged and involved on screen. There was no online advertising for it. They don't allow
um
You know recording audio pictures anything like that like your phone goes in a fairy day bag
If you bring it with you
And there is it seems to be a lot of different natural
organic
action
to combat
Being forced into the the digital prison
Well, that's very interesting and see that just speaks to what we're talking about
I mean obviously question it worry whether that could be some secondary everything right always but if it's what happened
It's kicked off during pride month. So it got hijacked by the lgbtq
Right and but even let's just even say that it was led by people involved in that move
It still doesn't mean they could just be in our opinion
Misguided when it comes to certain other conversations
But it's still this is the whole point going back to like the you know
You know you hate america because you have certain opinions maybe or maybe they just are misguided or incorrect
You know, it's like it's we have to consider that people are
You know, I think it's everyone's at their different level of where they're seeing all of this
But I think it's definitely being seen, you know, which is the pot
I just am glad to hear that because even if
But bottom line is that you have a grouping of people who should be the most kind of trapped by the new
Direction who are standing up and screaming for you know, what would be arguably like a
Like unabomber, you know like like that like like technology bad no matter what like anytime that comes out
It's always framed as sort of a terroristic perspective, especially today with the flock, you know
You're a terrorist if you think we shouldn't do this
I just find that to be kind of inspiring that people are doing that knowing it's going to get framed
Like most people aren't going to be okay with that most people would even if they push back on the bigger point
Would still go but I want my technology for these reasons, you know, it's always so it's an interesting kind of push
But it's nice to see because I think it's a you know
Do you think that do you think do you see that as an overreaction steve?
By going completely no technology or do you think well, I don't need that that's not even the point that it was just a kind of like
It use that and use
the Luddites, especially when people think about them as a springboard for conversation about
Hey, look, we really are spending too much time on these freaking things
Hey, look, there are ways that you can, you know
Decouple from the grip that technology has over you and I I really don't know
anybody who's advocating of return to
The pre electricity days or anything like that
That's not it. It's just the awareness of the addictive qualities of all of these products
and the the ability for people of any age, but they're targeting Gen Z people to
Realize that you there is a real life outside of the screen and that you actually have to learn
interpersonal skills
And develop them so that you can communicate with people on a much much deeper and better level
Well, we're all Gen X. So we're right in the middle
We had the one foot in the analog world and one foot in the digital world
So for us, we we learned how to navigate both we're sort of
You know, we gradually
Went into the digital world, but the kids now are born in the digital world. They have no
You know, they don't remember the so so for them
It's it's actually probably even more inspiring than initially I thought
Because they should have no attachment to the analog world at all and easily say that's the old way
It's horse and buggies to them, right? It could be but for them to actually see that as a path to sanity
And that hey, you know, some of these people that are a little bit older
Not the boomers but but maybe like the gen X people who always seem to have been able to sort of
Maybe not always but seem to navigate this a little bit easier than some
They don't have the mental health breakdowns that the new that the young kids seem to have that seems to be
Heavily skewed towards people who are spending a disproportionate amount of time in front of screens or having these
Mental issues and things like that. Maybe they're they're rightly recognizing that there's a monster in there
Yeah, and that they want to go so so I mean it's easy for us gen X to say we see the monster in it
We want to go to an a little bit more analog world because we were in it before but for them who have no ties to that
That that's impressive and I mean it's
It's funny that it's appealing to that group. I mean, thank god it is because
Because if it weren't
You know, then then we might we might be the last
You know people who remember they know man, there's there's at least pockets and growing pockets of
You know young adults because they are in their 20s now. They're you know
Um
Who are it's and it's not even necessarily like a conscious
stated rejection
Necessarily of you know, all things and all life happening in the digital space. It's just I know
Like my kid who's 20 now
like
There's a whole bunch of people in the little
California, you know gold rush redneck town that he lives in
They all get together and shoe pool and somebody's garage
and there's
No to minimal technology in the garage. They're you know, they're just they're hanging out
And socializing and doing that and no, they're not quite old enough to get into a bar yet
So they just sort of made one
And now it's you know, it's a social gathering spot when he goes out with his girlfriend and stuff like that
They're not just sitting there staring at their phones across the table from each other
You know the they're doing things they're being looking
Outside and active and stuff like that when possible
And then if they're at home or whatever there's still, you know, by and large not just frozen on the phone
And it's really cool because yeah, you could you go from when he was in high school and his little instagram online thing
Would be on all the freaking time
Man, I now there's like days where it doesn't
I just had my my nephew was in you know here for about a week and
It's like so have you guys seen
I think we see we might have just talked about this. I think it's called. Um, what is it again?
good luck
Something don't die. It's that the netflix show
Oh
It'll help place it in your mind if you haven't basically they're in the in that show
He's a guy come back from the future and basically says that ai is
Destroyed the planet and he goes back to try to save it as a simple point
And what what you end up seeing in this is this
We are this part of it where all the kids in their high schools are all like
Zombified by these phones like in a real sense like it's some kind of like ai manipulation of their mind
But what it shows is these like rapidly flashing instagram style jumping videos
And what's weird about it is so I watch that and I hate instagram
So I really don't even use it that much and and I'm thinking like it's a like hyperbolic version of that
You know like just like this crazy flashing weird inconsistently like incongruent like they don't even make sense together, right?
And but these kids are like zombified
He was here with me and we had amazing time and a whole time we're trying to go outside and go do things
And but all the time he's getting pulled through his phone
And I'm he it's exactly that like it almost kind of creeped me out how exactly it's like this jumping
You know he scrolls video to video and he'll jump to the next video and be like uncle ryan
Look at look at this and I'm like did you even watch it yet? Like what are you showing me?
Have you seen it before like no and it was like so here's this weird impulse to be like include
It's I don't know. It's like it just feels very unnatural
And and it is I mean guys we don't have to even debate about whether it's addictive and whether it's manipulative
They've told us that and so it just creeps me out that we're talking about this
You know these impressive these young minds who are just getting
I mean we're so far beyond like uh subliminal messaging and like 50s ads for coca cola
I mean, I'm just terrified about what it's doing to them at this point, you know
So I just want to bring that into it like a real world example of that
I mean, I'm sure everyone out there is dealing with the kids steve. You know, you're seeing it. It's terrifying
Yeah social media is the devil
It really is I mean it's and in it it it messes with their
sense of
Worth and body image and all that stuff. It's really it's really dangerous and
Boys and girls too. Yep. Yep
Well, so let's let's bring this into the last part then that you know, steve and I briefly talked about and interestingly steve
I have a kind of a follow-up video for the one we looked at this morning
But we'll talk about the you know why this I think is getting so much attention and so much, you know, the digital id
You know, all of it is is a very front and center conversation
And I think most average people are are aware of this to one degree or another because even within the paradigm
It's you can't ignore it and so you have to have these kind of half versions of the conversation
Which ultimately leads them into people like us where they want to hear, you know, the larger perspective
So let's just start with first the save act point as we briefly pointed to before
Massey is pushing back on the July 6th. He said this the irony
Of republicans trying to attach which they're now doing the save act to a bill to the ndaa
That betrays our sovereignty by merging our military technology and supply lines with a country of 10 million people
That's been at war with its own citizens for a 78-year existence. Who are we saving now?
Massey has had his own points about this
But what's frustrating to me is now it's sort of like well
We all need the save act and now it's merging with this other bad is real thing
But it's to me the save act in and of itself is one of the large problems in all of this
And so it's just like no matter where you turn right now
It's becoming sort of like this necessity from the government perspective as I sure our audiences have seen
I I think we briefly already pointed to it. I believe it's very clearly a real id
Especially with the mobile strivers license points. Excuse me and all of where it goes
They're shoving this down our throats and we briefed Steve and I talked about this morning
The democrats pushing their global digital idea agenda. So no matter which way you go
It's all kind of being forced down our throats
Steve also pointed this morning supreme court allows texas app
App store age verification to stand
So that's also now happening as well as the fact that
Oh, this I'll just include this. I'll come back to this technology can use to fight all this stuff
But so all of this kind of rapidly happening in front of us. I mean, it's very clear why average people are
Choosing to like scream in the other direction away from technology, you know
But so let's just in general sense take it where you want, you know, where this all goes digital id
Technocracy people see it. What do you guys think?
go Steve
But like we were talking about earlier, there does seem to be
widespread resistance to this even though there's a lot of
Well-heeled blue check people online who are talking about how beneficial all-encompassing surveillance is
It's not resonating rank and file and even
we played the clip of
The flock cameras being taken down in houston and
American flags being stuck in their place the shop owner that they interviewed like the one of the first things out of his mouth
Was I didn't even didn't even register that the camera was there
Well, that's kind of crazy
That people are already so used to seeing cameras everywhere that it doesn't register when a new one pops up
number one
But number two it you did kind of hear it in his voice. We're like, I don't know. Maybe they don't like
You know having their civil liberty or their rights take it away
Maybe they're mad about that and I don't know if he was being snarky or not because it's hard to tell with that very mellow
Latino accident, but you know
In most cases most people don't like being filmed all the time
No, I kind of felt though it was uh, you know more of like, I don't know
I mean, maybe they just don't like I didn't feel like it was almost as if that was a kind of an
Irrational reason to do it, but this is just me kind of guessing at what his intention was
But there are people out there that feel that way
It's like, you know, what what's wrong where they keep like they're they care that they're being surveilled for your safety
I know it's so weird like you like this comes back to that core point before
If you care
Whether you agree with it or not about upholding our constitutional rights or rather honoring the inherent rights that they are
Then you can't just you can't agree with this
Unless your stance is well, I think we need to alter the constitution like no one's saying that though
You know, it's it's an obvious line that's being crossed and it's one of a hundred thousand in front of us right now
It's all over
and we're starting to see the
Then pumping stories into the media about how flock cameras are used to catch people
Right to catch it to to to bring this fugitive to justice, right? It's like
Well, you want this guy to get caught don't you? I mean, he's a bad guy and we caught him because of the technology
this amazing technology it's like
Well, we can want the bad guy to get caught while simultaneously not wanting the
Invasive surveillance tech that you guys are using at the same time two things can be we can separate them from from
Themselves and feel differently about both of them. So
It seems like it's being normalized. It's going to probably at some point come down to
A court case right something's gonna happen where somebody's either convicted or or walks based on
getting the flock
Footage thrown out and they get to walk when they're clearly guilty and that'll do something or
You know, I mean you you can see how this could how this could be played
But something tells me it'll happen in the court in a court case
And that'll that'll make it real to
Normies at some point
I'm gonna make sure you guys hear that out there
But especially if everybody out there is, you know
If this is a county where it's happening more than anywhere else
If you are potentially going to be in that jury
You have the legal right to discount the entire to jury notification
Is your right as a as a collective jury you can decide well regardless of whether he's guilty
We don't agree with the crime. We don't agree that it's a crime
Or whatever. We just don't think he should be guilty. We don't think he should be charged with that
You don't need a real justification the jury can decide it's nullified
That's the power of a jury and why they don't want you to know that I think that's very important
But here's a clip by that. So steve played the clip earlier
On a wake up this morning of of the discussion of that and cutting them down putting the flag on it
Which is interestingly overlap with the point about it being, you know, we talked about the anti-american framing
I kind of think that's why it's happening where they're left or right. It's about like good
Go ahead frame us anti-american. We're doing this to protect american rights
Here's a follow-up clip about them being charged for it because they are being charged
And I think it's you know, it's crazy to think about what is being charged and what's not
And then look at the charges that are happening and compare that to you know
Like the example was made about the people the the left-leaning people that got charged with like 50
100 years for in one case not even being present at the protest and most of them not even being in line
Knowing the guy that actually shot, which is where it all comes from, you know
And you may agree with that but then compare that to what jislin max will got, you know
Look at the people getting I mean, it's insane
bastardization of justice
So here's what these guys got for you know, if you if you argue the vandalism
It's still about defending your rights case in real rancho where license plate reader cameras were destroyed
Then replaced with a flag police say the man behind the crime cost the city thousands and damages
New 13's bianca hoops has that video
A series of vandalized cameras have real rancho police questioning who did it so that's um, that's where
ALPR's were the license plate reader someone stole the reader and replaced it with this flag
We had the same thing happen yesterday off of metal arms
When did they do that?
I have no idea
In may real rancho police found at least three flock cameras
Also known as license plate readers destroyed the solar panels attached to them were stolen
Then a flag was hung on top of the camera poles
Within days of the investigation police pull over a truck that matched the description of the car tied to the flock camera incidents
In the car they find multiple flags that were similar to the ones in the vandalized cases
The driver 44 year old jevon martinez was arrested for an unrelated warrant and has since then been released
Police say martinez admitted to the vandalism when they asked about the flags
And he even took videos on his phone every time
Oh, look at my work gentlemen
So all these cameras popping around the flock cameras. They are not ours
Look at that
Then within a week rear rancho police got a warrant to look out for some of the missing equipment and martinez's home
Even bringing in us. I wonder how they got that. How exactly do we get a warrant with what's the evidence?
What's it based on?
I mean, maybe there's something but I think it's worth thinking about okay
So in in this particular case, right? They they pulled them over
They
Held him there long enough to find that he had an unrelated warrant
Then while they had him in the car they questioned him about the flock stuff
He admitted up front
That he was you know, the person that had done it
So they then obtained a warrant for his house to see if they could recover any of the alleged stolen equipment
All right, so that you you then you've looked into this already because this yeah, yeah
I played this I played this on uh monday show. Oh good good. Well, then the way that they uh
Kind of frame it makes it feel like one thing was before the other but so you've looked into it
So let's keep playing walk team because of his criminal history including assault because i'm missing three solar panels and one clock cameras
I'm missing them in the trash to put them on the side
Because we we tracked one here in this area police say martinez caused more than
20,000 dollars worth of damages and the reason this happened john martin is because of the history that you have
Oh, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm so looking forward to this. You have no idea
Now the point was we ultimately got released, right? Like it ultimately didn't really charge him as I just think that's sort of a win
In the long sense anyway, you know what I mean like what it but I I think we will have to wait for the
Kind of precedent setting case on this, you know where that ultimately goes, but I
Think these are already doing far more than what they claim anyway
Oh, yeah, have you seen this already?
It's got this this is the you know
Additional part of this and there's there's a that was like car buzz calm that a whole article about this in the 16th of june
It's very it's becoming mainstream these things are simply things you can click on top
Or you know place on top of the flock cameras which allow them to absorb like your text messages and wi-fi and stuff
It's insane and this thing is packed to the hilt with israeli intelligence
I I've found over the years looking into all of this technology that the car
Like the car talk guys not not tom and tom from car talk, but like in general in a broad sense
you know the
vehicle dudes
They're on this very early
Screaming about it, but because it's such a niche corner of the internet. It doesn't really bleed over
So anybody who's really into the the automobile industry or covers it a lot is going to have
a significant amount of work about all of this surveillance crap because
You know there's
a purest type mentality
For car aficionados and it's really like the least come
You know the least amount of computer interference
With you and your ability to handle this machine
And so the you know love and revere the muscle car era because there's no computer brain in it
And now every time there's an upgrade and invasive technology
You usually get a good chunk of these guys, uh, you know being like this is absolutely ridiculous. What the heck?
Here's what it is. Here's the patent numbers. Here's the part number all that kind of stuff
On the surface is insane. I I think I mentioned to you guys about when I was traveling when I was in la
But for my my father's in hospital and the the I took I'm never getting around to car again for this very reason
It it was it would literally
Is that the right word for do it for the car?
Like so I if it decides so it's got cameras everywhere like even it's you know
It's reading it's blinking at you when there's not even a car that close because it's just close enough behind you
Like you know this is going to cause accidents in my opinion
Well, because you let it tell you it's there even though it might be wrong
My point was though that it's clearly you're trying to accelerate and because it's too fat
It'll pull back on the car. That's going to kill somebody
But all that all that said you know all the cameras and all that stuff. I mean, that's just I it's insane
You don't whether it's from an idea that you want to be able to
Control the machine yourself without an influence or just that you know the far more alarming realities of what that's actually leading to
Is somebody points out about not just teslas by the way
But that's one of the many with the most cameras are out there mapping everything viewing everything
People are making points about you know, look at china and look at these things that are out there filming
It's like it's all over. We just don't see it the same way, right?
It's already happening in our country
We just view it differently because it's elons or whatever other companies and it's far more than teslas, you know
It's it's all encompassing at this point
It's michael hastings flying into a tree at 100 miles an hour, right?
Of course overlapping that with the vault seven understanding about how these things can literally be framed as anybody else
Which has already happened more than once, you know, believe the fingerprints of iran or or whatever or ron doing that at the united states
Absolutely possible
Yeah, mid from michael hastings to mitch mcconnell sister-in-law, right?
Go ahead
It's just no I mean it is that's a horrible way to go
Having your your tesla drive you into your pond on your property
And then giving you the I don't think so dave when you're like, you know, we're rolling down the windows that no no, we're not
Yeah, I mean however you look at that even if you think it was just some sort of weird glitch
It's still just as terrifying. That's why exactly exactly why I don't want anything like that
Or have a smart home that could shut your doors on you and not let you out
I mean, these are real things that have actually happened. This is even if it's the fringe glitch
I don't want it. But let alone the idea that some power entity could decide to just silently take you out and be like, oopsy
AI glitch we'll fix that, you know, no one's responsible because it's a machine. We have to fix it. It's a glitch
Firmware update. Sorry that you died, right?
No, it's not even worth laughing at just to you know, it's yeah, it's it is quite insane where this all is
But I think it's a good place to leave it for today. Um, thanks for joining steve. It was good to have you on the show, brother
Thanks for the invitation man insanity going on
But I'll end with the clip that I'm sure everyone's seen because it really does kind of it's kind of the
It's only one example of an endless stream of misidentification
But I love this one as I'm sure you both played where he sees 100 certain
He says more than once about how these cameras can lead to people being falsely accused
Whether by design or incompetence or, you know, just whatever it's it's obviously why we should be very
You know aware and push back on these things in my opinion
But anything to leave us with either one of you before we take off today
No, oh no, this clip this clip is gonna
Kick in my situational Tourette
For sure feel to scream all you want. I'll pull us back. So don't
All right guys. Well, thanks for thanks for joining today and we'll charlie and I'll be seeing you
You know a couple weeks and steve. I'll see you next Tuesday
Thank you for joining in today as always question everything come to your own conclusions
stay vigilant
If cameras everywhere in that town you can't get a breath of fresh air in or out without us knowing
Crisanna elzer learned the power of flock
You were in town from 11 52 until 1209
Exactly like I said nothing gets in or out of the town without us knowing when a colorado police officer
Showed up at her door holding flock snapshots of her truck and here's when you left
At 1209. That's when you left town to get
No to stop at ridge trail
And take a package. Well, there's no shushing. I don't need to be serious. I need to know where this is
The first thing he pulled out on the body cam is that flock picture the clear photograph of your car
But here's your vehicle in the neighborhood many many times
Apparently casing houses because you just can't drive through for work or visit other businesses
You can only be casing houses. It is her it is 100 percent. It is locked in there is zero doubt
I wouldn't have come here unless I was 100 sure 100 percent. It is certain it is on video
You're obviously welcome to go to court. Crisanna was charged with stealing a package
But it wasn't her the porch pirate was somebody else
Multiple times you tried to show him your video evidence. He didn't want to see it
When I called him back. He said that's not my job. You looked at a time of a crime
You saw my vehicle entering in the flock. No, no what I did was I did an investigation
I have video evidence. I don't know what you want me to say
The churches were dropped after Crisanna spent weeks trying to get the police chief to look at her evidence
Time stamped video from her truck and a neighbor's doorbell camera showing
She wasn't at the scene of the crime
What does it say about where we are that you feel you have to have more cameras than the police have in order to make sure you can prove yourself innocent
It sounds like it flipped the script to
You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent without a flock camera that detective would not have been at her door
By his own admission pulled out the flock picture of her car
Do you want to apologize to Crisanna elzer for what happened for the police misusing the tools?
I don't think that I have to apologize for the crime. He wasn't I mean other than being reprimanded for his attitude
Sure
But I would tell you that like should I apologize for somebody misusing a tool?
I don't think so flock safety chief communications officer josh thomas
Who's watching the watchers in these cases?
Well, uh, the city council the city owns the data
So city council would have the very appropriate responsibility in that case our point of view has always been
That um, it does not flock's job to police the way police do their work