WEBVTT 00:31.340 --> 00:34.080 Control exactly what people think and that is 00:34.080 --> 00:49.820 The best on the planet 01:05.800 --> 01:13.820 Tuesday July 7th welcome to another episode of what the hell is happening with myself and Charlie Robinson today a lot of 01:13.820 --> 01:20.900 Interesting things to get into but even in the peak kind of stupidity and chaos of what this kind of show is meant to encapsulate 01:20.900 --> 01:27.020 It feels especially kind of chaotic and spun out recently like more even than the beginning of this administration 01:27.020 --> 01:30.800 Whether that's like today a lot of the conversation around you know 01:30.800 --> 01:34.920 The the foreign policy discussions and how it just seems kind of like you know 01:34.920 --> 01:38.600 Trump seems to be it sort of a lesser degree of even what he was in the first place 01:38.600 --> 01:44.360 Yeah, I find that interesting who knows if that's by design, but there's a lot we could talk about today that feels it's a 01:44.360 --> 01:51.140 You know, I don't know deliberately confusing if you will I'm not sure but let's let's start with whatever might be on your mind 01:51.140 --> 01:56.600 How are you today? First of all, I'm good. It reminds me of the movie good fellas 01:57.020 --> 02:03.380 In good fellas, it was a crazy movie all the way through everybody knows that but it was relatively mild in the beginning 02:03.380 --> 02:05.400 And then as you got into the end 02:06.400 --> 02:09.020 When he's when Henry Hill started to get into cocaine 02:09.020 --> 02:16.780 They the editing sped up and the cuts were more frantic and you felt jittery just watching it 02:16.780 --> 02:22.460 You kind of put you in that mindset and that's kind of how I feel like this administration start 02:22.460 --> 02:25.420 You knew it was gonna be crazy. You knew the movie was going to be 02:26.140 --> 02:31.380 Wild when you started but we're now in that part where they're jump jump cutting and 02:32.000 --> 02:37.560 and shooting it from angles that make you feel a little bit more revved up and paranoid and you know, of course 02:37.560 --> 02:39.740 we have the the 4th of July 02:41.300 --> 02:45.980 250th birthday party which felt more like a going-out-of-business sale to me and 02:47.260 --> 02:53.800 And and and it was also kind of an encapsulation of the Trump presidency where they made the big announcement 02:54.800 --> 02:55.680 Total like 02:56.460 --> 03:01.300 Ready fire aim situation. They made the big announcement about everybody that was gonna be involved in it 03:02.340 --> 03:08.900 People immediately started backing out then Trump said they were stupid and old and has been and he didn't want them anyway 03:08.900 --> 03:13.380 Then he admitted that he was going to be the star of the show and that he was gonna do the all the talking 03:13.380 --> 03:19.120 He've just talked for three hours and that's who everybody came to see anyway, which was a 03:19.120 --> 03:21.800 Peak inside his narcissism, but also 03:22.520 --> 03:23.720 Strangely also true 03:24.480 --> 03:30.000 Which was I think probably more psychologically damaging when you realize, you know, he's not wrong 03:30.580 --> 03:35.440 That everyone is probably there to listen to him just go on and on and on and talk for hours 03:36.140 --> 03:38.120 Love or in between definitely 03:39.300 --> 03:44.520 It's it's one of these moments, you know, it's all a bit crazy, of course 03:44.520 --> 03:49.420 We we deal with the crazy as a matter of standard operating procedure, but 03:50.320 --> 03:57.020 Even within it you you know that there are sometimes where it feels like there's a little bit of a peak or a little 03:57.020 --> 04:01.700 It's things are a little bit revved up. They're a little bit more chaotic than normal 04:01.700 --> 04:05.880 And that's where I feel we are now and that might be a sign 04:07.360 --> 04:07.800 That 04:08.440 --> 04:14.180 Things have gone off the rails a bit or that they're running out of time or that there's there's less of a script 04:14.180 --> 04:22.760 And it's more improved improv of things moving forward and that would attribute to the this seeming chaos of the situation, but 04:23.660 --> 04:29.700 But you're not alone in thinking that I think a lot of people have are feeling that these days 04:29.700 --> 04:34.640 Do you do you think it's you know, I mean look it's worth pointing out that in in any moment 04:34.640 --> 04:39.120 I think people in that moment tend to feel like that's the P you know 04:39.120 --> 04:40.520 That there's been 04:41.140 --> 04:47.240 Chaotic moments of the past and you wonder whether or not this is any more chaotic than those and it's just we're in it 04:47.240 --> 04:48.940 And we feel that way. I don't think so 04:48.940 --> 04:52.400 I mean, I think we can try to be objective and look back at pretty, you know 04:52.400 --> 04:56.500 But maybe that's the case maybe where we'll look back in 20 years and be like man, that was nothing 04:56.500 --> 04:58.440 It's crazy now and maybe that would be the reality 04:58.440 --> 05:02.780 But you know you can't we tend to be in it it feels more impactful and more more, you know 05:02.780 --> 05:07.660 But I think that it's it is you can't you can look back at just previous print, you know over the last 05:07.660 --> 05:15.360 I don't know 20 years and you can see a very clear difference in not just narrative and wedge issues, but like 05:15.360 --> 05:16.020 the 05:17.880 --> 05:21.900 Decorum, you know, I think that speaks to something. I have my opinions about what that is 05:21.900 --> 05:26.540 But it feels like you know, like I think what you keep pointing out like you said the the 05:27.200 --> 05:32.200 What you call it like last time you said it which I keep referencing the idea that they're just stealing the silverware from the white 05:32.200 --> 05:35.300 House analogy for what, you know, it's like it's just a secondary 05:35.720 --> 05:37.440 Sophomoric version of what it's always been 05:37.440 --> 05:41.720 I just kind of get that sense from all of this and I don't necessarily think that's all by design 05:42.280 --> 05:45.240 even if maybe it's like a secondary factor of 05:45.680 --> 05:49.600 Somebody who benefits by having incompetent people and that's just what incompetent people do 05:49.600 --> 05:52.880 So you could you know make that argument that it is sort of the same point 05:52.880 --> 05:55.720 But even if it's a byproduct but either way good 05:55.720 --> 05:59.460 We're moving from a high trust society into a low trust society 05:59.460 --> 06:02.540 And there's a segment of the population that remembers how it used to be 06:02.540 --> 06:03.180 Yeah 06:03.180 --> 06:08.640 And that's a problem because if you if you're just in a low trust society and we're born into it and that's how 06:08.640 --> 06:12.840 That's just your world, you know, it's a fish being born into the water has 06:12.840 --> 06:15.800 No knowledge of anything outside of that 06:15.800 --> 06:20.320 But when you remember what it used to be like and how it is now 06:20.960 --> 06:23.360 And you know, I see I see footage 06:23.360 --> 06:29.900 I there's the social media footage recently of a teen takeover in Newport Beach on 4th of july 06:29.900 --> 06:31.380 Well, you know, that's personal to me 06:31.880 --> 06:34.100 Because I remember living in Newport Beach 06:34.640 --> 06:37.800 There for 4th of july in 92 and 93 06:38.320 --> 06:40.960 And I remember what it used to be like and it wasn't that 06:41.520 --> 06:41.780 Right 06:41.780 --> 06:45.260 So things have changed and by the way the Newport Beach police 06:46.060 --> 06:53.080 Departments are the biggest gestapo in southern california that you they would have loved an opportunity to crack skulls in a 06:53.080 --> 06:55.520 Situation like this and yet it didn't happen 06:56.120 --> 07:03.620 So everything feels degraded like a photocopied version of reality, you know, but not it's still kind, you know 07:03.620 --> 07:05.280 still same street names and 07:05.830 --> 07:08.780 But the streets look a little bit more rough, you know 07:08.780 --> 07:11.940 And everything was just a little bit more degraded and if you 07:12.590 --> 07:19.040 If you just came recently, whether that's to america or to los angeles as an example, you know 07:19.800 --> 07:23.160 And you don't have the perspective to remember what it was in the past 07:23.160 --> 07:29.120 It doesn't hit the same way it does somebody who's like i used i grew up here 07:29.120 --> 07:34.720 And it's not this and and you can insert any city really it doesn't have to be los angeles, but 07:35.360 --> 07:39.200 People remember how it used to be and they know that it's not there 07:39.200 --> 07:44.240 It's not where we are now and that gap to get back to where we used to be 07:44.920 --> 07:50.660 I don't know that people feel like there's a path and maybe that's a little bit of the demoralization process too 07:50.660 --> 07:51.120 It's like 07:51.660 --> 07:56.200 If we want to get back to that the amount of things that would have to happen are almost 07:57.200 --> 07:59.780 Insurmountable like it almost feels like what's the point? 07:59.960 --> 08:05.380 So i can understand why people feel like i don't know if there's much to celebrate after 250 years 08:05.380 --> 08:08.200 I mean we're we're still having the same problems 08:08.880 --> 08:11.940 Well, I think there's a couple points to make one which is you know that 08:12.480 --> 08:16.440 I think that's partly by design. I think we agree on that that it's like this engineered sort of 08:17.320 --> 08:21.400 Highlighting a problem that's always been there to get us into the phase of accepting the next solution 08:21.940 --> 08:22.180 but 08:22.620 --> 08:24.320 The question should be asked 08:24.880 --> 08:28.580 Was that even the road the you know, we're looking through rosecode glasses 08:28.580 --> 08:31.560 That's always going to be the case but even then take away the glasses 08:31.560 --> 08:35.840 Was that even really what we were talking about? You know, I mean there's yes, there's a degradation 08:35.840 --> 08:38.840 I think we can see that but the question is 08:39.420 --> 08:41.040 Was it ever what we thought it was? 08:41.040 --> 08:44.600 You know what? I mean, and I think it's a really valid thing to ask that you know 08:44.600 --> 08:46.280 We can look here's a good kind of quick 08:46.800 --> 08:51.860 You know even within the memory of where we currently are today pointing to obama and what he 08:52.380 --> 08:54.480 Like not represented but projected 08:55.260 --> 09:00.600 Is not the same thing as saying that you know like you could look at obama and say he projected a more stable 09:01.120 --> 09:04.160 Thing than trump does but this doesn't say that it was more stable 09:04.160 --> 09:10.520 You could even argue that it necessarily might have been but the point is that they I I I think I prefer 09:11.040 --> 09:14.300 A position where you can see the chaotic reality 09:14.300 --> 09:18.400 Even though it makes you feel more uncomfortable than living in a position where you're pretending 09:18.400 --> 09:24.340 Through decorum that somehow this is all absolutely good and we're fighting for freedom and they never did any of that 09:24.340 --> 09:27.040 You know, so it's it's a mixed bag. I agree with your point 09:27.040 --> 09:28.240 But I do think it's worthy 09:28.240 --> 09:33.080 I think we're all should be reflecting on whether we even had what we thought we did as they try to kind of 09:33.080 --> 09:39.020 Shuffle us into using a justification whatever they argue is going to save that it might not even been there 09:39.020 --> 09:45.020 You know prime example of that is prisoner of the moment with the epstein situation and saying oh my god 09:45.020 --> 09:47.840 I can't believe that politicians are doing that to kids 09:48.340 --> 09:54.300 For getting completely the franklin scandal. Yes, right, you know, which would show that this was happening 09:54.860 --> 09:57.260 This had been happening decades ago. So 09:58.120 --> 10:00.760 There's a temptation to be kind of caught up in the moment 10:00.760 --> 10:06.780 This is the worst it's ever been and and and of course that sells for a variety of reasons and some things and 10:07.500 --> 10:14.860 But but if you're if you're trying to really accurately measure things in retrospect, I look, you know, I I'm sure 10:17.240 --> 10:19.440 2014 had its chaos 10:20.480 --> 10:27.640 But in retrospect from where I am right now, it seems relatively mild. Yeah, like almost nothing was happening, you know 10:28.100 --> 10:28.860 and so 10:30.640 --> 10:34.560 You just you just wonder it in the end of empire 10:35.440 --> 10:38.000 Perhaps, you know, the acceleration 10:39.520 --> 10:46.880 The the the destruction of of the civilization sort of accelerates everything happens a little bit faster the chaos ramps up 10:47.320 --> 10:48.100 more so 10:48.640 --> 10:55.200 Um as you tightly spin down the drain at the very end here, that's where we are and and 10:56.640 --> 10:58.260 I don't recall 11:00.100 --> 11:06.720 If I noticed chaos 25 years ago and made a comment about it, that might have been one thing 11:08.900 --> 11:15.340 But now if I if I notice it and make a comment to people they all not in agreement 11:15.340 --> 11:18.040 Which is something that's a little different than before 11:18.840 --> 11:22.160 In the past you could find these problems and you could point it out 11:22.160 --> 11:25.160 But if people weren't paying attention to it, it wasn't on their radar now 11:25.160 --> 11:27.160 It it's almost so obvious 11:27.780 --> 11:30.760 That even if you're oh, I'm not into politics. It doesn't matter 11:30.760 --> 11:35.760 Yep, you you notice the degradation of yours. Are you into the mall? Have you been to the mall recently? 11:36.300 --> 11:41.860 It's either out of business all the stores are gone or the people who are there are turning it into someplace 11:41.860 --> 11:46.660 It's uninhabitable so so even if it's it's starting to permeate everybody 11:46.660 --> 11:50.400 Not just the people who are paying attention or who want to be in the know 11:50.400 --> 11:56.260 But now it's to the point where even if you are actively against knowing this information 11:56.260 --> 12:02.800 It's going to find you one way or another whether you wanted to or not. I agree. I mean, what's interesting is look at what 12:03.300 --> 12:06.280 I mean, and this is why I think all people are grappling with like that 12:06.280 --> 12:07.740 That's hard to acknowledge or accept 12:07.740 --> 12:10.120 But like look at what trump did with this administration 12:10.700 --> 12:15.340 And then we can see why it's easy to see why things that might not have been mainstream have become mainstream 12:15.340 --> 12:17.380 And maybe this was a miscalculation on their part 12:17.380 --> 12:20.780 They came out and put these things on the center of their administration 12:21.480 --> 12:26.200 Maha make america great again, and they and they centered around things now. They're not now 12:26.200 --> 12:30.960 They're they're doing the opposite, you know the epstein files and the health related things which I have one we can talk about 12:30.960 --> 12:36.060 And so what happened was these were things that were fringe, right? Oh, that's conspiracy theorists 12:36.060 --> 12:39.640 What vaccines you guys are crazy and they inadvertently maybe by design 12:39.640 --> 12:42.360 I think it's inadvertently made these things become 12:42.800 --> 12:46.980 Everybody talking points and so now you can't hide from them, right now. You can't ignore 12:47.620 --> 12:53.040 Israel influence even though that was something that was so fringe you were so crazy and even you know it now 12:53.040 --> 12:57.060 It's impossible to ignore, you know, so I don't know if that was a mistake or by design 12:57.060 --> 12:58.460 I guess we'll find out down the line 12:58.460 --> 13:02.720 But clearly it's made sure because of that that average people have 13:03.140 --> 13:07.440 Insight into things even if they're barely paying attention and that's a that's a win for us 13:07.440 --> 13:11.200 You know in my opinion, you know, I really do think and I think that and that's what people are trying 13:11.200 --> 13:15.580 Like that's what I think a lot of this is about is trying to get us past that but I want to go back to the point about 13:16.040 --> 13:18.260 You know, so now we're coming at recalling this things out 13:19.020 --> 13:22.260 I think a vast majority of americans and so now you're getting this 13:22.920 --> 13:26.140 Argument that you're somehow, you know, you you just hate america 13:26.560 --> 13:29.980 And it's interesting seeing is how it's very not it's not one side or the other 13:29.980 --> 13:33.540 In fact, most these like flock cameras, even how we're talking about it's obviously 13:34.460 --> 13:36.740 Just everybody, you know, it's it's not a partisan issue 13:36.740 --> 13:39.360 But now they're making it about how you hate america 13:39.360 --> 13:43.240 Which is just an interesting kind of spin because you're fighting for these american values 13:43.240 --> 13:46.960 But it just becomes this they have to try to carve it into the left right dynamic 13:46.960 --> 13:50.320 You know to make it somehow like you're a communist or you're this which you know 13:50.320 --> 13:54.660 We you and I've talked a lot about just government in general, you know, it's it's I don't I don't know 13:54.660 --> 13:56.160 Where do you feel that fits in right now? 13:56.240 --> 14:01.400 Do you think bringing back the 50s communist red scare is going to have any effect on left or right? 14:01.660 --> 14:05.540 Like truly like in momentum style and I mean some people will get into it, but what do you think? 14:06.340 --> 14:10.120 Well accusing the flock left of hating america 14:10.120 --> 14:13.480 By cutting down flock they'd agree with you. They do hate america 14:14.120 --> 14:18.100 It's not even that's not even an insult to them. They would be like yes, and 14:18.840 --> 14:24.140 um, the the idea of a of a red scare moving forward, I mean it's 14:27.160 --> 14:29.600 It's it's it's frustrating to me because 14:30.160 --> 14:30.780 There are 14:30.780 --> 14:38.180 There are components here that we we can agree on flock cameras great one like who who would have thought data centers another one 14:38.180 --> 14:44.680 This digital surveillance seems to be a unifying factor here left and right imagine that so 14:45.680 --> 14:50.200 I would envision them them trying to do something to divide us, right? 14:50.340 --> 14:55.580 I mean, it's not surprising that they would go to cutting down flock cameras as unamerican 14:56.280 --> 14:58.720 What what can they go to? 15:00.120 --> 15:04.100 They're backed into a bit of a corner because you know it'd be one thing if they're like listen 15:04.100 --> 15:08.460 It's only on the roads. It's just only on the roads, but it's like it's not on the roads 15:08.460 --> 15:14.500 It's on the hiking trails and entrances into parking lots and I mean schools. It's it's everywhere. It's not 15:15.240 --> 15:15.640 so 15:16.620 --> 15:21.120 So I would expect to do some sort of divide and conquer, but wouldn't it be funny if the thing that 15:22.040 --> 15:29.080 United the the loony left and the the unhinged right is that they came together on their on their 15:31.640 --> 15:33.860 Yeah, they're they're hatred of 15:34.540 --> 15:38.800 Big tech surveillance of all things the really interesting point you just made right there 15:38.800 --> 15:39.900 And so this is what I'm you know 15:40.540 --> 15:45.940 Grappling with around this maga conversation in particular is so, you know the loony left and the and the what did you 15:45.940 --> 15:47.060 What was it that word used? 15:48.860 --> 15:49.400 You know 15:52.300 --> 15:57.440 But I see that as the team's sport sides, I don't think either of those sides even care about the flock cameras 15:57.440 --> 16:03.060 I think probably not the underlying majority of left and right, you know liberal conservative 16:03.060 --> 16:07.980 Like they're not bound by the team's for perspective who are seeing as a problem regardless what side you're on 16:07.980 --> 16:12.660 Right, so it's you know like to your point about like that. They hate america like I think here's what's interesting 16:12.660 --> 16:19.640 I think you can find people on the right who scream america first who hate this country who are who vary whether they 16:20.820 --> 16:23.640 Acknowledge that or not they're undermining foundational things 16:23.640 --> 16:25.740 They're siding with a foreign power over our interests 16:25.740 --> 16:30.620 You got people on the left doing the same equivalents in different ways where they're fighting for things that they you know 16:30.620 --> 16:34.240 They hate the ideas of these country from a different side of the perspective, right? 16:34.280 --> 16:37.540 And you can go through many different values, you know, but what I see I see today 16:37.540 --> 16:39.380 Is there's a middle ground? 16:39.380 --> 16:42.980 I argue the majority of either side of those who even if they're wrong 16:43.460 --> 16:50.040 Like let me ask you this. Do you think there's a person on that's a left-leaning person who actually believes communism will be best for this country? 16:51.820 --> 16:55.560 I think you I think yes when they're when you're young 16:56.120 --> 16:59.220 And you don't know the details of it fair enough 17:00.580 --> 17:02.440 It's tempting to think that 17:03.040 --> 17:04.640 That the problem is that 17:05.180 --> 17:07.620 The the way the resources are pooled 17:08.140 --> 17:14.000 Is an issue and that if only they were redistributed a little differently that would solve all these problems 17:14.000 --> 17:14.340 but 17:15.300 --> 17:18.600 You can't you can't start tinkering with that stuff without 17:19.220 --> 17:22.980 The law of unintended consequences where you start messing with that guy's big stack 17:22.980 --> 17:27.560 And then that does other things to the market and next thing you know, there is no marketplace 17:27.560 --> 17:31.160 Right, right. Well, I'm not trying to defend commune is like I don't know if it's bad to me 17:31.160 --> 17:32.340 I think that's very clear 17:32.340 --> 17:35.080 I think government in and of itself regardless of what direction it takes 17:35.080 --> 17:41.240 We should all be fighting the point that i'm getting to though is about whether they think that because you know, I agree with you 17:41.240 --> 17:47.100 You know, I this is I get we I think well anybody who takes a stance that it from from a like a non-partisan 17:47.100 --> 17:50.180 Will always in certain cases be framed as one side or the other 17:50.180 --> 17:54.380 I you know that I support communism or I support fascism. I don't all government's bad 17:54.380 --> 17:59.280 I know we both agree on that right but but what's important though is that I think there's democrats 17:59.280 --> 18:03.980 And potentially even a the majority of average people that believe 18:04.700 --> 18:10.140 On that opinion side whatever that is of the conversation that communism or whatever they believe their flavor of it 18:10.140 --> 18:11.900 Is actually what will help this country? 18:12.140 --> 18:15.720 And it's because of the way that this constant extreme back and forth go 18:15.720 --> 18:18.880 It's the left-right paradigm right the the fascistic push of the far, you know 18:18.880 --> 18:20.420 And then that's why people go well clearly 18:20.420 --> 18:26.280 It's jimmy door's argument of why leaning in with trump was the right move because look at what democrats did with the genocide 18:26.280 --> 18:29.480 It was logical, but those paying attention long enough are going to go 18:29.480 --> 18:32.420 Well, it's just going to be the same cycle right now. They're going to do it 18:32.420 --> 18:37.880 So you get people that get driven into thinking and younger people that haven't learned these lessons that that communist side 18:37.880 --> 18:40.940 Is the op is the reaction to what they're doing today 18:40.940 --> 18:44.660 And eventually you get the nationalist push that go, you know, and my point is 18:44.660 --> 18:50.480 There are people that have been convinced that a fascistic dictatorial all-encompassing or a 18:50.940 --> 18:55.100 CEO run technocratic thing are what's best for this country and they believe that's american 18:55.100 --> 18:59.500 There's republic democrats that believe that's the case. So what i'm getting at is that by by 19:00.040 --> 19:05.380 The government creating this impression that people who are fighting for that are unamerican 19:05.380 --> 19:08.920 Whether it's left or right is like the most unamerican thing in the conversation 19:08.920 --> 19:12.760 You see what i'm saying because it creates this idea that you're not allowed to think outside 19:12.760 --> 19:18.060 Trump right now is saying if you disagree with this you're you hate america as opposed to realizing that 19:18.060 --> 19:22.960 Disagreeing and debating is quintessentially american. I find that wildly dangerous 19:22.960 --> 19:28.320 Even if it's about something i disagree with you know and and he's missing an opportunity here 19:28.880 --> 19:32.900 To to talk like a human being and to say something like that to say 19:33.480 --> 19:33.960 you know 19:34.880 --> 19:40.220 Actually what it means to be well first of all, I don't know that if trump knows what it means to be an american 19:40.220 --> 19:45.240 Or what that means to him is something different because what what he i think what he means 19:45.240 --> 19:49.700 Thinks being an american is is that you get like an opportunity to 19:50.160 --> 19:53.220 Make big deals or something. I don't know that that seems to be 19:53.920 --> 19:58.520 All all that he's about but but there's some other things that come along with it 19:58.520 --> 20:01.040 Which is the ability to criticize the government now 20:01.040 --> 20:05.400 I don't know that i'm holding my breath for the government to come out and say that one of the great things about america 20:05.400 --> 20:10.520 Is your ability to criticize them but but it is one of the things that is uniquely american 20:11.140 --> 20:15.180 Where like you you can't there is a line now that line has been crossed 20:15.760 --> 20:19.460 By by the government with individuals time and time again 20:20.000 --> 20:25.700 But in theory it sort of holds that we have this freedom of speech component and if if 20:26.360 --> 20:28.600 if the if the jaw if the purpose 20:29.360 --> 20:31.880 you know were to unite people or to to 20:32.520 --> 20:36.780 You know trump could have he'd have an opportunity there to say 20:37.460 --> 20:40.060 at this time, you know one of the things that is 20:41.580 --> 20:45.720 Very america that we hold, you know near and dear and all the words that they use 20:46.740 --> 20:53.660 Is our ability to disagree with each other and isn't that great and isn't that nice that we can work these things out without having to go to war 20:53.660 --> 20:58.920 He doesn't say that though. He doesn't want that. I think he wants chaos. I think he wants 20:59.460 --> 21:00.860 division I think he doesn't 21:01.620 --> 21:08.180 I he's not the great uniter. I mean we know that he is a divider of people. Yeah, and um 21:08.180 --> 21:09.380 and so 21:11.280 --> 21:16.960 I don't know. I wonder if if this is going to be I I think I feel like I say this all the time, but I wonder if if 21:17.860 --> 21:20.980 What is it going to be that wakes people up? 21:21.480 --> 21:27.080 To what's happening. Mm-hmm. What's it gonna take? You know, is it a 9-11 event? Is it another covet? 21:27.360 --> 21:32.200 Is it is it a jfk? Is it is it a isn't a bent? Is it a thing? 21:32.660 --> 21:33.900 Or is it possible 21:35.280 --> 21:38.500 that people just get fed up and 21:39.240 --> 21:40.700 and run out of patience 21:40.700 --> 21:42.640 Well, that's already happened 21:43.960 --> 21:47.740 Yeah, I think you know, I mean I I'm with you. I agree and I could be wrong 21:47.740 --> 21:50.420 But you know either way. Yes, you know, what will that take? 21:50.680 --> 21:53.340 But I kind of feel like we crossed that line a long time ago 21:53.340 --> 21:56.340 And I feel like we've been grappling with this kind of rapid growing 21:56.760 --> 22:01.840 You know discontent of the american like majority that gets that is completely not 22:02.340 --> 22:08.200 What's the word that they're they're uh disenfranchised like they're not even represented anymore by the cartoons of the left and right 22:08.500 --> 22:13.080 I I feel like that's what this whole thing is about right now. I hope people can at least consider that, you know 22:13.080 --> 22:17.980 What what and and if that is the case and it and it certainly does feel like 22:19.540 --> 22:20.860 There's an opportunity 22:21.580 --> 22:27.020 For somebody in the middle and that that of course is is an opportunity and a problem 22:27.020 --> 22:33.780 Right because that that that is where the strongman comes in and and offers the solution to the problems that you've been facing 22:34.180 --> 22:40.760 So there's undeniably problems and you've got a a segment of society or a segment of america who 22:41.220 --> 22:42.940 Who maybe voted for trump? 22:43.740 --> 22:50.420 On three different occasions. Maybe believe the lies all three times while they were casting that vote 22:51.320 --> 22:56.400 But now like an abused spouse who's finally seeing the light 22:56.400 --> 22:57.680 They're able to 22:57.680 --> 23:02.800 Admit that they're in an abusive relationship with their government and with their president 23:02.800 --> 23:07.300 And that he has promised a lot of things that he hasn't delivered on and they want to leave the party 23:07.300 --> 23:08.500 They want to leave the marriage 23:09.060 --> 23:15.900 But they can't they don't know where to go. Isn't that the problem that all abused people have is that fine 23:15.900 --> 23:20.500 I leave here, which is bad. It's the devil. I know right 23:20.500 --> 23:25.900 I'm going to go somewhere else to the devil. I don't know in a situation that maybe I can't control 23:26.500 --> 23:31.300 And now I think people are finally starting to say I want to leave 23:31.940 --> 23:37.820 They're not going to go to the democrats right if you voted voted for trump. That's not an option that they're just incompatible 23:38.380 --> 23:44.280 You don't want that you want something else but not that yeah, I agree with you and isn't that just 23:46.080 --> 23:47.040 A perfect 23:48.600 --> 23:53.920 Like couldn't you just walk everybody right into a trap of somebody who comes in and says 23:54.440 --> 23:59.060 The left is unreasonable. The right is unreasonable. I offer the logical solution 23:59.060 --> 24:02.080 Right is because that's what everybody wants to hear. I think at this point 24:02.080 --> 24:04.800 And and it's hard to see what people would fall for that 24:04.800 --> 24:10.860 It's it's everything we're actually asking for but that's why we have to be skeptical of the america party the elon musk 24:10.860 --> 24:13.300 thomas massie tucker carlson, you know 24:13.300 --> 24:17.980 But while hoping that it could be what we want and so that's the hardest part for most people I think is 24:17.980 --> 24:20.680 You know, maybe even they they have good intent 24:20.680 --> 24:25.680 Let's just let's just assume rightly or wrongly that they have great intentions that they actually 24:25.680 --> 24:30.860 Want to do what they're saying that they want to do maybe they do maybe they don't but let's pretend that they do 24:31.620 --> 24:38.080 You then have to make a calculation. How much can they get accomplished right in the current system in the current framework working against 24:38.080 --> 24:44.440 The the outside influences that that finance with money and opposition candidates and everything like you know 24:44.440 --> 24:48.780 How this will play out like it's one thing to want it and let's assume they do 24:48.780 --> 24:52.680 And and it's another thing to get the people behind you because they want it 24:52.680 --> 24:57.980 But can you deliver on what you promise and if you can't you're gonna look like a fraud 24:57.980 --> 25:01.760 You're gonna you're gonna really demoralize people because they you got them 25:02.300 --> 25:09.340 Feeling like they had a chance with a third party or third, you know candidate type situation only to run 25:10.360 --> 25:13.860 Sprinting into a brick wall and then that might just be the end of it, right? 25:13.940 --> 25:18.460 That might just be the thing that finally people throw their hands up and go i'm done bringing the technocratic government 25:19.360 --> 25:25.320 Whatever just make it stop with these politicians that are destroying our lives like anything but this 25:25.920 --> 25:31.760 Yeah, i mean it's it's a well-crafted plan, you know, i mean it's certainly you know, but it's i could see 25:31.760 --> 25:35.060 You know, you could argue that the effort of doing it is necessary 25:35.660 --> 25:40.000 Even if it you know, even if it's designed to fail the point though is it has to be gone at with that 25:40.000 --> 25:45.660 Point like you have to be clear about that like if if you were honest in my opinion and you noticed that that potential shortfall 25:45.660 --> 25:51.460 You would talk about it now, you know, you would make your argument like we're doing this to call attention to the broken system 25:51.460 --> 25:53.620 We have designs to you know 25:54.280 --> 25:56.560 Create, you know, it's it's hard to know where 25:57.100 --> 26:01.360 It we every let's put it this way every possible avenue, even if it would be something i agree with 26:01.360 --> 26:07.100 Opens another possibility for the system to be manipulated, right? Let's bring in steve and we keep going. Hey steve 26:07.100 --> 26:11.680 Well, thanks for joining brother. No worries. How's it going? It opens the possibility for far more 26:11.680 --> 26:16.160 You know like they can step in to try to drive it into the direction that would benefit the system 26:16.160 --> 26:18.080 But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try, you know 26:18.080 --> 26:23.940 This is where you get into this confounding position where people will criticize us for poo pooing on everything that comes around 26:23.940 --> 26:27.520 But we're not, you know, it's like we need to be open to that possible positive outcome 26:27.520 --> 26:33.480 But be skeptical every single step of the way as i mean it comes down to whether or not we think the system itself is even 26:33.480 --> 26:38.220 Salvatable and this is the point i keep making if we can all go. Yeah, look, it's broken everything's broken 26:38.220 --> 26:42.420 And everything's cheating there's 17 levers to them to mess with every single decision we make and then go 26:42.420 --> 26:45.360 Oh, but tucker let's vote with tucker. It's like well, that's good. That's that doesn't make sense 26:45.360 --> 26:49.940 Right. I mean that's where we have to get to and if we do think that then we need to talk about a new system 26:49.940 --> 26:53.440 Not necessarily just a new party, but that's very hard for people to see 26:56.180 --> 27:00.080 We're not we're not all jumping on board with tucker and margie 27:00.080 --> 27:01.920 All right 27:02.360 --> 27:05.420 Where it seemed like such a lucrative proposition 27:06.780 --> 27:07.980 Well, it sounds good 27:08.660 --> 27:09.780 You know what? I mean like 27:11.640 --> 27:18.620 If you're making sense, you know, you're you're talking about they're rightly pointing out problems. It's hard. You go, yeah, yeah, right? 27:19.040 --> 27:25.160 But but but are you gonna fix them? Can you fix them? Can't you keep do you have the 27:25.780 --> 27:29.520 Capacity to do the things that you say need to be done or do you want? 27:29.860 --> 27:35.140 Do you even want to or or do you maybe you want to but then somewhere around the 27:35.560 --> 27:37.440 Around the line, you know 27:37.980 --> 27:39.080 Guy whispers in your ear 27:39.080 --> 27:42.420 You know you do do it our way or bad things happen to you and your family 27:42.420 --> 27:47.180 And then it's like we're right back to where we started like we can have a third party a fourth party 27:47.180 --> 27:53.980 But if you can manipulate every party by threatening to blow them to smithereens if they don't get on board with you 27:53.980 --> 27:59.980 Then then what are we doing? It gets back to your your point ryan about like well, we have to keep trying 28:00.420 --> 28:05.260 You know quitting isn't an option stopping and just giving up isn't isn't going to do it 28:05.420 --> 28:10.120 But yeah, they may stop everybody. They may stop you time and time again, but you have to keep 28:10.720 --> 28:13.560 Putting up roadblocks for them. It's a frustrating time 28:14.960 --> 28:19.280 Yeah, no it definitely is and I think that's the the what's easiest to abuse 28:19.280 --> 28:25.920 You know is that people are fed up and they're tired and the engineered apathy is probably one of our biggest enemies in all of this 28:25.920 --> 28:30.240 Because it's in and this is what people people tend to frame what we do is sort of checking out 28:30.240 --> 28:33.420 It's the opposite, you know, we're some of the most politically active people in the conversation 28:33.420 --> 28:38.120 We just don't believe that voting is the path to the most change if not any if any of it 28:38.120 --> 28:44.000 But it's it's showing people that we need to make sure we're continually engaging with the system while continuing to be critical 28:44.000 --> 28:47.440 Of every single aspect of it, you know, it's I know we all want something 28:47.440 --> 28:49.520 You know, we want some positive flip here 28:49.520 --> 28:54.220 We just have to like I would argue the same thing I say about massy every time if massy is who he says he is 28:54.220 --> 28:57.000 He would demand that we're more critical of him than anybody else 28:57.000 --> 29:00.240 An honest person would demand that of us and I'd like to hope that that's where this goes 29:00.240 --> 29:03.900 But just, you know, it's it's the system is in fact the problem 29:03.900 --> 29:10.260 Especially if we're seeing the foreign influence element of it, which is not even getting into whether they even care about what they say 29:10.260 --> 29:14.420 If they don't have any real ability to see these things to fruition, you know 29:14.420 --> 29:19.800 But I get why this is confounding for people because there's no immediate solution other than 29:19.800 --> 29:23.620 You know trying to find a path around the actual system 29:23.620 --> 29:25.540 But see this is the idea is that government itself 29:25.960 --> 29:31.320 Is not necessary for the world that we want to build and until we can acknowledge or at least consider that part 29:31.840 --> 29:34.460 It's never we're never going to be able to get to where we want to go with it 29:34.460 --> 29:38.160 But again, I digress because that's not what we're focusing on today, but it's it's frustrating 29:41.020 --> 29:44.980 So let's take this into something I wanted to get into first and I do want to talk about since 29:44.980 --> 29:47.960 it's kind of relevant to what we just talked about the kind of a 29:47.960 --> 29:54.100 State the patriot front just dc display and you know what that represents for some what I see as sort of a larger 29:54.100 --> 29:56.440 All of government sort of divide and conquer tactic 29:56.440 --> 30:00.960 But first because it's just the one point on this then this kind of brings to what I think that that is 30:01.560 --> 30:04.800 I guess in part designed to do deflect from stuff like this 30:04.800 --> 30:07.180 This is just one more thing we've all been calling out 30:07.180 --> 30:11.020 Trump administration approved three new forever chemicals. That's PFAS 30:11.720 --> 30:17.500 Pesticides last week for use on food crops including corn soybeans the most widely grown crops crops in the country 30:17.500 --> 30:20.840 As well as wheat kiwi oats peas broccoli and coffee 30:20.840 --> 30:23.780 Of course the ones that they might force other countries to buy, you know, because that's 30:23.780 --> 30:26.140 They seem not going to successfully do I argue 30:26.140 --> 30:30.740 But the joke and implied that we're going to force people to buy our disgusting food that nobody wants at the world cup 30:30.740 --> 30:32.400 But you know, you get the point and the 30:33.200 --> 30:38.960 Continuing to push and to prove and support all of all of the things that were not just kind of like tangential 30:38.960 --> 30:42.540 But we're like front and center in the mahal conversation. So what are your thoughts? 30:44.740 --> 30:47.040 Minor steves because Steve you go either one 30:47.480 --> 30:55.140 Why this is what we've come to expect from the trump administration and from mahal in general is 30:55.140 --> 30:57.860 Heavy rhetoric that sounds great 30:58.200 --> 31:00.380 In a result that gives 31:00.380 --> 31:06.700 immunity to bare monsanto that provides a pathway to spray periquad on everything 31:07.260 --> 31:13.500 The you know, it's just long on talk and then the action is the exact opposite 31:13.500 --> 31:18.220 You can look at the fluoride case for another example and a whole lot more 31:18.220 --> 31:22.100 And this is by you know reinforcing the point 31:23.420 --> 31:28.420 That a governmental approach to this may may not be the best 31:29.260 --> 31:31.360 best solution and 31:32.110 --> 31:35.060 As far as what you know, what is going on the crops 31:35.760 --> 31:43.060 The best way that you can mitigate that is to get to know the people who grow and produce the food that you can't grow and produce 31:43.500 --> 31:51.100 Have a handshake relationship with them. Know what their first name is. You might even learn what their family's names are, you know, and that's 31:51.740 --> 31:53.940 That's building a food system 31:54.700 --> 31:55.760 based on trust 31:56.500 --> 32:01.980 And that's something that big ag can't provide you it's something the state can't provide you 32:01.980 --> 32:10.060 It's only peer-to-peer relationships that you have active engagement in that can create that kind of trust 32:10.060 --> 32:11.320 So please go do that 32:12.480 --> 32:18.140 Yeah, well said and you know it goes well beyond just the dangers of the pesticides if you understand the direction 32:18.140 --> 32:22.940 This is all going in you know, whether we're talking about just the the nanotech or the graphene tracking stuff 32:22.940 --> 32:29.480 These aren't jokes. These aren't hypothetical. There's tons of peer-reviewed science discussing how to use these elements to better 32:29.480 --> 32:30.440 match, you know 32:31.480 --> 32:33.320 Monetize but also what's the word I'm looking for? 32:33.840 --> 32:38.660 You know be able to track through mech track through metrics like everything like bodies of water trees, you know 32:38.660 --> 32:40.560 Just do the commodifying or the 32:41.460 --> 32:44.900 tokenizing like everything and or and that's what this is going towards, you know 32:44.900 --> 32:47.700 So to think about that in the context of what they're spraying on, you know 32:47.700 --> 32:52.740 And naturally in there, you know, but they would frame in the in the environment versus just things that are giving you cancer 32:52.740 --> 32:56.860 Or destroying your food supply or any number of those things. What do you think about Charlie? 32:57.020 --> 33:01.080 moving into a natural asset corporation sort of world where you're 33:01.080 --> 33:05.380 Where you're putting everything on the blockchain and next thing, you know, you you can't 33:06.100 --> 33:14.600 You know far already the farms small and medium-sized farms are under massive regulations and they're forced to do things that others aren't 33:14.600 --> 33:15.080 and 33:15.780 --> 33:19.620 It's it's created an uneven playing field in the farming 33:20.340 --> 33:23.320 industry subsidies like crazy the 33:24.060 --> 33:26.520 Adam Smith invisible hand of marketplace is 33:26.520 --> 33:33.160 Giving a middle finger to everybody with regard to anything having to do with like the USDA and all the 33:33.160 --> 33:36.020 where the government puts its thumb on the scale and just 33:36.660 --> 33:42.540 You know compensates farmers and pays them not to farm and all these backward sorts of 33:42.540 --> 33:44.920 things that we're doing it it's 33:45.520 --> 33:50.680 It's chaos with our food supply and it and I don't think it's accidental 33:51.440 --> 33:54.540 Which is the worst part about it is it seems to be made to happen 33:55.080 --> 33:58.640 Setting up like a two-tier in the same way kind of they did with covid where 33:58.640 --> 34:04.320 Sure, there's a deadly virus and everybody's dying. We have to close the small and medium-sized hardware stores 34:04.320 --> 34:10.380 But lows and home depot is still open. I mean same same can be said about the the factory farming 34:10.380 --> 34:15.300 You know things like that, you know the these rules apply maybe they apply to everybody 34:15.300 --> 34:19.260 But only the big guys have the financial capacity to 34:19.840 --> 34:25.120 Meet the rules and and therefore it locks everybody else out in a report, you know works like that 34:25.120 --> 34:28.740 So so they've they've been manipulating and and 34:29.280 --> 34:31.420 The marketplace for a long long time 34:31.420 --> 34:36.340 It'd just be nice to see what it looks like if the government took its thumb off the scale that in and of itself would be 34:36.340 --> 34:39.920 I mean obviously getting the the chemicals out would be a nice thing 34:39.920 --> 34:44.840 But what what would the agricultural industry look like without government interference? I wonder 34:44.840 --> 34:48.480 Well, you make a very important point there that's that's tangential to this but 34:48.480 --> 34:51.880 Equally important like the idea whether it's pesticides or anything else 34:51.880 --> 34:53.720 Organic, you know where they create 34:54.360 --> 34:59.460 These these like bars to reach that they act is just you know, what's necessary for safety 34:59.460 --> 35:01.460 Which aren't even really actually more safe 35:01.460 --> 35:05.600 But then that completely box out the local cattleman the local farmer 35:05.600 --> 35:10.880 You know that's what they do and create it make an impossible situation for them to actually do the way they want to do it 35:10.880 --> 35:14.860 Which is actually what people largely want more, you know, but it's but it's for your safety, you know 35:14.860 --> 35:18.460 It is it's by design. It's disgusting, you know, it's it's the 35:19.160 --> 35:23.920 Idea that you're somehow not able to go get your raw milk or your local farmer or, you know 35:23.920 --> 35:25.560 Even do it yourself these days 35:25.560 --> 35:26.500 I just you know 35:26.500 --> 35:30.520 These are fundamental thing aspects of our freedom that people just aren't you know 35:30.520 --> 35:32.940 If you're it's it goes back to a classic idea 35:32.940 --> 35:38.100 If you're willing to give up your freedom and your liberty for anything let alone some convenience and safety 35:38.100 --> 35:39.640 Then you deserve none of them 35:40.140 --> 35:42.680 paraphrasing obviously, you know, and that's where we are right now 35:42.680 --> 35:47.020 And I like to believe that most people are suddenly becoming acutely aware of why that's so important 35:47.020 --> 35:51.020 Whether that's because of the Hormuz discussion and supply chains or, you know 35:51.020 --> 35:56.560 Feeling weirdly reminiscent of all the stuff they were fighting during covet 19, you know, slightly different framing, you know 35:56.560 --> 35:57.620 I think people see it 35:59.740 --> 36:03.780 One of the things I think is important to talk about on the back of that which I did want to get make sure 36:03.780 --> 36:06.400 We talked about briefly. It's just this this 36:07.700 --> 36:10.180 engineered divide and you know, I mean 36:10.700 --> 36:15.300 Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe maybe there's more maybe there's one side that's actually fighting for your freedom 36:15.300 --> 36:17.160 I just don't I just don't find that to be valid 36:17.160 --> 36:22.560 But you know, we're dealing with this interesting thing with the you know the the patriot front march 36:22.560 --> 36:28.400 By the way, which is only one element of a larger sort of, you know, whether it's all like, I don't think any of these are completely 36:28.900 --> 36:32.780 Artificial there are people within these which I think we can prove that like believe what they're doing 36:32.780 --> 36:37.660 There's also people that we can prove that are and they're not faceless as they're going they never investigated 36:37.660 --> 36:40.380 We know most of these people say I've gone back to you know 36:40.960 --> 36:45.660 post january 6th talked about the overlap with the alzap movement and autumn waffen and and uh 36:45.660 --> 36:48.540 You know all these different groups they that they connect back to you know 36:48.540 --> 36:52.880 So I think that there's level that go back to intelligence through israeli us and multiple factors 36:52.880 --> 36:58.460 But it's like, you know, clearly. I think it's just like a false kind of creation to get people, you know, citing with 36:58.460 --> 37:04.460 I mean, I don't even what do you guys think about this in regard to how it's being used before you answer 37:04.460 --> 37:07.580 I will point out that I think it's interesting that you know 37:07.580 --> 37:11.480 Easily highlight that patriot front is not out there busting in windows and breaking things down 37:11.480 --> 37:15.700 That's not the argument that I'm making. I don't think it's about both of them doing the same thing 37:15.700 --> 37:21.900 It's about both of them doing what's necessary for the side that they're on to drive us into a certain point of manipulation 37:21.900 --> 37:27.400 You know, but what do you guys think about this and the whole overlap of where it is currently with what trump's doing 37:30.640 --> 37:31.240 You're muted 37:33.240 --> 37:35.560 We we deserve better psyops 37:35.560 --> 37:39.760 We do yeah, this is just it's lame 37:40.430 --> 37:41.280 It's tired 37:41.930 --> 37:45.900 The this wasn't even last season. This was like 2021 37:46.710 --> 37:51.100 that we were dealing with this nonsense and it's just it 37:51.100 --> 37:53.400 It's so cartoonishly bad 37:54.040 --> 37:54.400 that 37:54.950 --> 37:58.200 It makes me makes me kind of embarrassed 37:58.890 --> 38:01.980 Not not for the people who are trying to put this on it 38:01.980 --> 38:08.960 But for us that we haven't demonstrated that we're savvy enough to deserve a higher caliber psyop 38:09.760 --> 38:13.260 I'm a snob when it comes to my false flag, Steve 38:14.720 --> 38:16.000 An aficionado 38:16.000 --> 38:21.240 I demand with the respect that a true aficionado has 38:21.240 --> 38:27.380 I I agree. I where are the shoes? Where are the bicycles? Where is it? Where are the symbols that I'm seeing? 38:27.620 --> 38:29.100 I don't get any of this anymore 38:29.660 --> 38:34.620 They see everything's degraded. Even the false flags are lower quality. I mean, it's just where are we? 38:34.700 --> 38:39.300 Can we start over and turn turn off cern and unplug it plug it back in or whatever? 38:39.560 --> 38:45.700 Well, they did they did that a week ago monday they turned off cern until 2030 the last the 38:45.700 --> 38:50.860 The last time they did that was right before the announcement of the military olympics 38:51.720 --> 38:52.200 Oh 38:52.200 --> 38:55.060 Nothing happened after that either i'm sure 38:55.700 --> 39:02.900 Right, right. There have been a couple of different periods where they've turned off cern and then within 30 days to 39:03.620 --> 39:06.700 30 hours there's been like major 39:07.540 --> 39:10.280 weather events major market 39:11.720 --> 39:13.480 manipulation and crashes 39:14.180 --> 39:15.440 things of that nature 39:16.020 --> 39:19.520 So it should be interesting. I mean, it's never going to be boring 39:20.000 --> 39:24.700 The collapse of the empire it may be a lot of things but boring it ain't 39:25.060 --> 39:30.260 No, it's a writer. I'm i'm i'm the it's a embarrassment of riches. You kidding me? 39:30.320 --> 39:32.060 I don't even know where i'm sitting on the hill 39:32.680 --> 39:39.720 Surveying all of the carnage wishing it wasn't happening. But my god, where do we where do we start? It's it's uh 39:41.440 --> 39:43.560 It's frustrating. I think maybe 39:44.100 --> 39:49.040 Maybe maybe this is how all empires people felt with the end of the empire 39:49.040 --> 39:52.460 But it's frustrating because you can see how it didn't have to happen 39:53.240 --> 39:55.440 Where the things that that 39:56.120 --> 40:00.020 The the things that took it down in the end the the it's you know that 40:00.620 --> 40:03.120 That up the the collapse 40:04.120 --> 40:05.240 were avoidable 40:05.820 --> 40:10.380 Preventable and injected into the situation to make it worse, you know 40:11.000 --> 40:13.940 We didn't have to have and it doesn't have to be the way it is 40:13.940 --> 40:17.760 The the things that are going wrong are being made to happen the 40:18.240 --> 40:23.780 20 million people coming across the southern border. It's not accidental. It's it's intentional. So 40:24.600 --> 40:25.560 So why? 40:25.860 --> 40:28.560 You know, what does that mean who's driving that? 40:28.740 --> 40:32.200 You know, because clearly that's not what seems to be in the interest of the us government right now 40:32.200 --> 40:34.240 Like at least the people in those positions 40:34.240 --> 40:40.620 So, you know, you know my opinion. I think there's obviously at least some element being driven from from kind of israel manipulation 40:40.620 --> 40:42.240 for whatever they believe through their 40:42.820 --> 40:48.580 Prophetic end times destruction which necessitates the collapse of this country. So it seems like an interesting possibility 40:48.580 --> 40:50.320 But I do think there's more factors than that 40:50.320 --> 40:54.520 You know, like what what do you guys think in regard to the incompetence point, you know 40:54.520 --> 40:56.600 Deserving better psyops, like what do you think that is? 40:56.680 --> 41:00.540 Do you think it's what I'm saying that it's like by design because it's supposed to be seen 41:00.540 --> 41:05.080 Do you think it's because these people are just absolutely that incompetent and then why is that the case? 41:05.200 --> 41:09.580 Like why, you know, how do you read that? I just think it's an interesting time to reflect on where that is 41:09.580 --> 41:10.600 It just maybe just failing 41:13.100 --> 41:13.620 Good 41:17.380 --> 41:18.160 It's like 41:18.720 --> 41:20.020 you know how like the 41:20.600 --> 41:26.340 oligarch class has their offspring and that generation is just not as competent as 41:26.340 --> 41:31.500 And then they have and then the wheels fall off by the third generation. They've squandered all the money 41:32.600 --> 41:37.860 That's kind of how I feel like there was a time where when the intelligence apparatus 41:37.860 --> 41:45.040 Was so dialed in, you know, that that that early cia the fbi all of that where you just felt like 41:45.800 --> 41:47.760 When they put it together in operation 41:48.340 --> 41:52.480 It was so good that you didn't know it was happening until decades later when you 41:53.040 --> 41:58.820 Put on a tinfoil hat and looked into it and then you could see where it was all but while you were in it 41:58.820 --> 42:05.860 I think the hallmark of a good psyop or false flag is that while you're in it, you don't know you're in it 42:06.500 --> 42:11.260 And I think that right now there are a lot of people that know they're in it 42:11.260 --> 42:16.080 And so if you know, you're in a psyop it's like less 42:17.060 --> 42:23.380 Likely to impact you or you're more likely to go. I've seen this part before this is where they do this and that and then the media says that 42:23.380 --> 42:26.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and so maybe it's because 42:27.680 --> 42:32.780 They've run them back to back so tightly together, you know, and in the last couple of years 42:33.420 --> 42:37.160 Maybe they feel that there's like some sort of like the clock is ticking and they have to hurry up 42:37.160 --> 42:41.800 But because of of the tight window in which they've been running it 42:42.720 --> 42:47.720 It feels like maybe people are paying attention in a way that they they weren't in 42:48.620 --> 42:55.900 August of 2001, right? They didn't know what they it weren't it wasn't on their radar to think about false flags 42:55.900 --> 43:01.640 But now we live in a world where my 14 year old daughter made a comment to me about little st. James 43:02.220 --> 43:04.860 You know what I mean? I got how do you how did you know? 43:05.240 --> 43:06.700 so if 43:07.400 --> 43:09.440 It's becoming cultural now 43:09.940 --> 43:12.300 So so I think the psyops have to change 43:12.980 --> 43:14.340 um with the times 43:16.240 --> 43:21.340 Yeah, there's a ridiculous amount of like junior high and high school kids that 43:21.900 --> 43:25.060 Make epstein related jokes that have context 43:25.800 --> 43:29.580 for for what the jokes are a framework for it and 43:30.500 --> 43:33.620 The you know plus side of 43:34.760 --> 43:37.480 Short-form video content, I guess 43:38.140 --> 43:40.520 It is that it's 43:40.520 --> 43:46.740 introduced what would have been complete conspiracy theory just five years ago as 43:47.340 --> 43:49.080 Okay, well, this is the way the world works 43:49.080 --> 43:55.920 This is factual information based on what people in power have been caught doing have been exposed doing blah blah blah blah 43:55.920 --> 43:57.680 and so 43:58.460 --> 44:00.980 It's got to be covered a story yesterday 44:01.520 --> 44:08.860 Uh gen z has taken it upon themselves in new york city to organize a festival called the summer of ludd 44:09.860 --> 44:14.340 Based on the ludd they do a play about the history of the luddite movement 44:14.340 --> 44:20.720 And they're holding workshops on how to talk to people in real life and how not to be you know 44:20.720 --> 44:26.920 Engaged and involved on screen. There was no online advertising for it. They don't allow 44:27.680 --> 44:28.180 um 44:28.960 --> 44:34.340 You know recording audio pictures anything like that like your phone goes in a fairy day bag 44:34.340 --> 44:36.580 If you bring it with you 44:36.580 --> 44:41.920 And there is it seems to be a lot of different natural 44:42.560 --> 44:43.160 organic 44:43.980 --> 44:44.580 action 44:45.940 --> 44:47.140 to combat 44:47.920 --> 44:50.420 Being forced into the the digital prison 44:50.900 --> 44:53.740 Well, that's very interesting and see that just speaks to what we're talking about 44:53.740 --> 45:00.080 I mean obviously question it worry whether that could be some secondary everything right always but if it's what happened 45:00.080 --> 45:03.640 It's kicked off during pride month. So it got hijacked by the lgbtq 45:03.640 --> 45:07.680 Right and but even let's just even say that it was led by people involved in that move 45:07.680 --> 45:10.280 It still doesn't mean they could just be in our opinion 45:10.760 --> 45:12.660 Misguided when it comes to certain other conversations 45:12.660 --> 45:15.480 But it's still this is the whole point going back to like the you know 45:15.480 --> 45:19.780 You know you hate america because you have certain opinions maybe or maybe they just are misguided or incorrect 45:19.780 --> 45:22.500 You know, it's like it's we have to consider that people are 45:22.500 --> 45:26.160 You know, I think it's everyone's at their different level of where they're seeing all of this 45:26.160 --> 45:28.920 But I think it's definitely being seen, you know, which is the pot 45:28.920 --> 45:31.220 I just am glad to hear that because even if 45:31.220 --> 45:36.480 But bottom line is that you have a grouping of people who should be the most kind of trapped by the new 45:37.460 --> 45:42.320 Direction who are standing up and screaming for you know, what would be arguably like a 45:43.180 --> 45:48.260 Like unabomber, you know like like that like like technology bad no matter what like anytime that comes out 45:48.260 --> 45:52.600 It's always framed as sort of a terroristic perspective, especially today with the flock, you know 45:52.600 --> 45:54.520 You're a terrorist if you think we shouldn't do this 45:54.520 --> 45:58.640 I just find that to be kind of inspiring that people are doing that knowing it's going to get framed 45:58.640 --> 46:03.320 Like most people aren't going to be okay with that most people would even if they push back on the bigger point 46:03.320 --> 46:09.620 Would still go but I want my technology for these reasons, you know, it's always so it's an interesting kind of push 46:09.620 --> 46:11.820 But it's nice to see because I think it's a you know 46:11.820 --> 46:14.900 Do you think that do you think do you see that as an overreaction steve? 46:15.400 --> 46:21.840 By going completely no technology or do you think well, I don't need that that's not even the point that it was just a kind of like 46:22.460 --> 46:24.920 It use that and use 46:25.460 --> 46:31.620 the Luddites, especially when people think about them as a springboard for conversation about 46:31.620 --> 46:34.980 Hey, look, we really are spending too much time on these freaking things 46:34.980 --> 46:37.920 Hey, look, there are ways that you can, you know 46:37.920 --> 46:44.020 Decouple from the grip that technology has over you and I I really don't know 46:44.900 --> 46:49.340 anybody who's advocating of return to 46:49.340 --> 46:52.840 The pre electricity days or anything like that 46:53.440 --> 47:00.740 That's not it. It's just the awareness of the addictive qualities of all of these products 47:01.260 --> 47:07.860 and the the ability for people of any age, but they're targeting Gen Z people to 47:09.360 --> 47:16.120 Realize that you there is a real life outside of the screen and that you actually have to learn 47:16.660 --> 47:18.360 interpersonal skills 47:19.050 --> 47:25.800 And develop them so that you can communicate with people on a much much deeper and better level 47:26.450 --> 47:30.040 Well, we're all Gen X. So we're right in the middle 47:30.040 --> 47:33.900 We had the one foot in the analog world and one foot in the digital world 47:33.900 --> 47:38.760 So for us, we we learned how to navigate both we're sort of 47:39.120 --> 47:40.720 You know, we gradually 47:41.240 --> 47:46.820 Went into the digital world, but the kids now are born in the digital world. They have no 47:47.340 --> 47:50.100 You know, they don't remember the so so for them 47:50.100 --> 47:54.100 It's it's actually probably even more inspiring than initially I thought 47:54.620 --> 48:01.540 Because they should have no attachment to the analog world at all and easily say that's the old way 48:01.540 --> 48:08.620 It's horse and buggies to them, right? It could be but for them to actually see that as a path to sanity 48:08.620 --> 48:11.560 And that hey, you know, some of these people that are a little bit older 48:11.560 --> 48:16.920 Not the boomers but but maybe like the gen X people who always seem to have been able to sort of 48:16.920 --> 48:20.880 Maybe not always but seem to navigate this a little bit easier than some 48:20.880 --> 48:26.400 They don't have the mental health breakdowns that the new that the young kids seem to have that seems to be 48:27.600 --> 48:34.260 Heavily skewed towards people who are spending a disproportionate amount of time in front of screens or having these 48:34.260 --> 48:39.960 Mental issues and things like that. Maybe they're they're rightly recognizing that there's a monster in there 48:39.960 --> 48:45.960 Yeah, and that they want to go so so I mean it's easy for us gen X to say we see the monster in it 48:45.960 --> 48:52.780 We want to go to an a little bit more analog world because we were in it before but for them who have no ties to that 48:53.760 --> 48:56.320 That that's impressive and I mean it's 48:57.100 --> 49:01.280 It's funny that it's appealing to that group. I mean, thank god it is because 49:02.580 --> 49:04.060 Because if it weren't 49:04.800 --> 49:08.680 You know, then then we might we might be the last 49:09.540 --> 49:15.700 You know people who remember they know man, there's there's at least pockets and growing pockets of 49:15.700 --> 49:21.260 You know young adults because they are in their 20s now. They're you know 49:21.260 --> 49:21.880 Um 49:21.880 --> 49:27.340 Who are it's and it's not even necessarily like a conscious 49:28.820 --> 49:30.140 stated rejection 49:31.320 --> 49:37.480 Necessarily of you know, all things and all life happening in the digital space. It's just I know 49:38.210 --> 49:40.860 Like my kid who's 20 now 49:41.700 --> 49:42.360 like 49:43.060 --> 49:45.860 There's a whole bunch of people in the little 49:46.460 --> 49:50.760 California, you know gold rush redneck town that he lives in 49:51.600 --> 49:55.540 They all get together and shoe pool and somebody's garage 49:56.820 --> 49:57.940 and there's 49:57.940 --> 50:04.800 No to minimal technology in the garage. They're you know, they're just they're hanging out 50:05.340 --> 50:10.680 And socializing and doing that and no, they're not quite old enough to get into a bar yet 50:10.680 --> 50:12.420 So they just sort of made one 50:13.020 --> 50:19.920 And now it's you know, it's a social gathering spot when he goes out with his girlfriend and stuff like that 50:19.920 --> 50:23.780 They're not just sitting there staring at their phones across the table from each other 50:23.780 --> 50:28.160 You know the they're doing things they're being looking 50:28.800 --> 50:31.700 Outside and active and stuff like that when possible 50:32.320 --> 50:38.900 And then if they're at home or whatever there's still, you know, by and large not just frozen on the phone 50:39.380 --> 50:46.220 And it's really cool because yeah, you could you go from when he was in high school and his little instagram online thing 50:46.220 --> 50:47.820 Would be on all the freaking time 50:48.420 --> 50:51.900 Man, I now there's like days where it doesn't 50:52.460 --> 50:56.160 I just had my my nephew was in you know here for about a week and 50:57.660 --> 50:59.220 It's like so have you guys seen 50:59.820 --> 51:03.660 I think we see we might have just talked about this. I think it's called. Um, what is it again? 51:04.300 --> 51:05.040 good luck 51:06.280 --> 51:08.720 Something don't die. It's that the netflix show 51:09.300 --> 51:09.740 Oh 51:10.640 --> 51:14.380 It'll help place it in your mind if you haven't basically they're in the in that show 51:14.380 --> 51:17.300 He's a guy come back from the future and basically says that ai is 51:17.300 --> 51:20.220 Destroyed the planet and he goes back to try to save it as a simple point 51:20.220 --> 51:22.560 And what what you end up seeing in this is this 51:22.560 --> 51:26.700 We are this part of it where all the kids in their high schools are all like 51:27.240 --> 51:31.420 Zombified by these phones like in a real sense like it's some kind of like ai manipulation of their mind 51:31.420 --> 51:36.780 But what it shows is these like rapidly flashing instagram style jumping videos 51:37.320 --> 51:40.520 And what's weird about it is so I watch that and I hate instagram 51:40.520 --> 51:45.760 So I really don't even use it that much and and I'm thinking like it's a like hyperbolic version of that 51:45.760 --> 51:51.820 You know like just like this crazy flashing weird inconsistently like incongruent like they don't even make sense together, right? 51:52.080 --> 51:53.400 And but these kids are like zombified 51:53.780 --> 51:58.060 He was here with me and we had amazing time and a whole time we're trying to go outside and go do things 51:58.060 --> 52:00.620 And but all the time he's getting pulled through his phone 52:00.620 --> 52:05.440 And I'm he it's exactly that like it almost kind of creeped me out how exactly it's like this jumping 52:05.440 --> 52:09.300 You know he scrolls video to video and he'll jump to the next video and be like uncle ryan 52:09.300 --> 52:13.440 Look at look at this and I'm like did you even watch it yet? Like what are you showing me? 52:13.520 --> 52:17.360 Have you seen it before like no and it was like so here's this weird impulse to be like include 52:17.360 --> 52:20.540 It's I don't know. It's like it just feels very unnatural 52:20.980 --> 52:25.580 And and it is I mean guys we don't have to even debate about whether it's addictive and whether it's manipulative 52:25.580 --> 52:29.560 They've told us that and so it just creeps me out that we're talking about this 52:29.560 --> 52:32.500 You know these impressive these young minds who are just getting 52:32.960 --> 52:38.400 I mean we're so far beyond like uh subliminal messaging and like 50s ads for coca cola 52:38.400 --> 52:41.500 I mean, I'm just terrified about what it's doing to them at this point, you know 52:41.500 --> 52:44.580 So I just want to bring that into it like a real world example of that 52:44.580 --> 52:48.600 I mean, I'm sure everyone out there is dealing with the kids steve. You know, you're seeing it. It's terrifying 52:50.360 --> 52:52.140 Yeah social media is the devil 52:52.820 --> 52:57.880 It really is I mean it's and in it it it messes with their 52:58.620 --> 52:59.400 sense of 52:59.920 --> 53:05.060 Worth and body image and all that stuff. It's really it's really dangerous and 53:05.560 --> 53:08.060 Boys and girls too. Yep. Yep 53:08.900 --> 53:13.880 Well, so let's let's bring this into the last part then that you know, steve and I briefly talked about and interestingly steve 53:13.880 --> 53:16.340 I have a kind of a follow-up video for the one we looked at this morning 53:16.340 --> 53:23.400 But we'll talk about the you know why this I think is getting so much attention and so much, you know, the digital id 53:23.900 --> 53:27.300 You know, all of it is is a very front and center conversation 53:27.300 --> 53:33.420 And I think most average people are are aware of this to one degree or another because even within the paradigm 53:33.980 --> 53:37.580 It's you can't ignore it and so you have to have these kind of half versions of the conversation 53:37.580 --> 53:42.160 Which ultimately leads them into people like us where they want to hear, you know, the larger perspective 53:42.160 --> 53:46.240 So let's just start with first the save act point as we briefly pointed to before 53:47.120 --> 53:49.980 Massey is pushing back on the July 6th. He said this the irony 53:50.720 --> 53:55.580 Of republicans trying to attach which they're now doing the save act to a bill to the ndaa 53:56.100 --> 54:01.500 That betrays our sovereignty by merging our military technology and supply lines with a country of 10 million people 54:01.500 --> 54:06.040 That's been at war with its own citizens for a 78-year existence. Who are we saving now? 54:06.500 --> 54:08.600 Massey has had his own points about this 54:08.600 --> 54:11.140 But what's frustrating to me is now it's sort of like well 54:11.140 --> 54:15.240 We all need the save act and now it's merging with this other bad is real thing 54:15.240 --> 54:19.980 But it's to me the save act in and of itself is one of the large problems in all of this 54:19.980 --> 54:21.960 And so it's just like no matter where you turn right now 54:21.960 --> 54:27.280 It's becoming sort of like this necessity from the government perspective as I sure our audiences have seen 54:27.280 --> 54:31.740 I I think we briefly already pointed to it. I believe it's very clearly a real id 54:31.740 --> 54:36.420 Especially with the mobile strivers license points. Excuse me and all of where it goes 54:36.420 --> 54:40.660 They're shoving this down our throats and we briefed Steve and I talked about this morning 54:40.660 --> 54:45.100 The democrats pushing their global digital idea agenda. So no matter which way you go 54:45.100 --> 54:47.500 It's all kind of being forced down our throats 54:47.500 --> 54:50.680 Steve also pointed this morning supreme court allows texas app 54:51.380 --> 54:54.200 App store age verification to stand 54:54.200 --> 54:57.440 So that's also now happening as well as the fact that 54:58.020 --> 55:02.480 Oh, this I'll just include this. I'll come back to this technology can use to fight all this stuff 55:02.480 --> 55:07.360 But so all of this kind of rapidly happening in front of us. I mean, it's very clear why average people are 55:07.980 --> 55:11.800 Choosing to like scream in the other direction away from technology, you know 55:11.800 --> 55:15.460 But so let's just in general sense take it where you want, you know, where this all goes digital id 55:16.380 --> 55:18.380 Technocracy people see it. What do you guys think? 55:19.160 --> 55:19.820 go Steve 55:20.820 --> 55:26.000 But like we were talking about earlier, there does seem to be 55:27.020 --> 55:31.530 widespread resistance to this even though there's a lot of 55:31.960 --> 55:39.860 Well-heeled blue check people online who are talking about how beneficial all-encompassing surveillance is 55:40.310 --> 55:43.900 It's not resonating rank and file and even 55:44.530 --> 55:45.980 we played the clip of 55:45.980 --> 55:49.600 The flock cameras being taken down in houston and 55:50.200 --> 55:57.720 American flags being stuck in their place the shop owner that they interviewed like the one of the first things out of his mouth 55:57.720 --> 56:01.740 Was I didn't even didn't even register that the camera was there 56:02.580 --> 56:04.620 Well, that's kind of crazy 56:05.180 --> 56:11.440 That people are already so used to seeing cameras everywhere that it doesn't register when a new one pops up 56:11.440 --> 56:12.520 number one 56:12.520 --> 56:18.600 But number two it you did kind of hear it in his voice. We're like, I don't know. Maybe they don't like 56:19.300 --> 56:22.360 You know having their civil liberty or their rights take it away 56:22.360 --> 56:28.460 Maybe they're mad about that and I don't know if he was being snarky or not because it's hard to tell with that very mellow 56:28.460 --> 56:31.140 Latino accident, but you know 56:31.720 --> 56:37.480 In most cases most people don't like being filmed all the time 56:38.340 --> 56:42.200 No, I kind of felt though it was uh, you know more of like, I don't know 56:42.200 --> 56:45.680 I mean, maybe they just don't like I didn't feel like it was almost as if that was a kind of an 56:47.100 --> 56:51.040 Irrational reason to do it, but this is just me kind of guessing at what his intention was 56:51.040 --> 56:52.780 But there are people out there that feel that way 56:52.780 --> 56:57.320 It's like, you know, what what's wrong where they keep like they're they care that they're being surveilled for your safety 56:57.320 --> 57:01.080 I know it's so weird like you like this comes back to that core point before 57:01.460 --> 57:02.420 If you care 57:02.420 --> 57:08.180 Whether you agree with it or not about upholding our constitutional rights or rather honoring the inherent rights that they are 57:08.180 --> 57:10.880 Then you can't just you can't agree with this 57:11.340 --> 57:15.740 Unless your stance is well, I think we need to alter the constitution like no one's saying that though 57:15.740 --> 57:20.240 You know, it's it's an obvious line that's being crossed and it's one of a hundred thousand in front of us right now 57:20.820 --> 57:21.480 It's all over 57:22.280 --> 57:24.440 and we're starting to see the 57:24.440 --> 57:29.780 Then pumping stories into the media about how flock cameras are used to catch people 57:29.780 --> 57:35.360 Right to catch it to to to bring this fugitive to justice, right? It's like 57:36.020 --> 57:41.640 Well, you want this guy to get caught don't you? I mean, he's a bad guy and we caught him because of the technology 57:41.640 --> 57:43.560 this amazing technology it's like 57:44.220 --> 57:49.600 Well, we can want the bad guy to get caught while simultaneously not wanting the 57:49.600 --> 57:56.160 Invasive surveillance tech that you guys are using at the same time two things can be we can separate them from from 57:56.160 --> 58:00.080 Themselves and feel differently about both of them. So 58:00.800 --> 58:07.400 It seems like it's being normalized. It's going to probably at some point come down to 58:07.840 --> 58:14.920 A court case right something's gonna happen where somebody's either convicted or or walks based on 58:15.740 --> 58:16.520 getting the flock 58:17.940 --> 58:22.840 Footage thrown out and they get to walk when they're clearly guilty and that'll do something or 58:22.840 --> 58:28.020 You know, I mean you you can see how this could how this could be played 58:28.020 --> 58:31.140 But something tells me it'll happen in the court in a court case 58:32.200 --> 58:34.560 And that'll that'll make it real to 58:35.320 --> 58:36.460 Normies at some point 58:36.460 --> 58:38.800 I'm gonna make sure you guys hear that out there 58:38.800 --> 58:40.640 But especially if everybody out there is, you know 58:40.640 --> 58:43.560 If this is a county where it's happening more than anywhere else 58:43.560 --> 58:45.900 If you are potentially going to be in that jury 58:45.900 --> 58:49.780 You have the legal right to discount the entire to jury notification 58:49.780 --> 58:54.740 Is your right as a as a collective jury you can decide well regardless of whether he's guilty 58:54.740 --> 58:57.800 We don't agree with the crime. We don't agree that it's a crime 58:58.200 --> 59:01.420 Or whatever. We just don't think he should be guilty. We don't think he should be charged with that 59:01.420 --> 59:04.720 You don't need a real justification the jury can decide it's nullified 59:04.720 --> 59:09.140 That's the power of a jury and why they don't want you to know that I think that's very important 59:09.140 --> 59:12.220 But here's a clip by that. So steve played the clip earlier 59:12.840 --> 59:17.960 On a wake up this morning of of the discussion of that and cutting them down putting the flag on it 59:17.960 --> 59:22.340 Which is interestingly overlap with the point about it being, you know, we talked about the anti-american framing 59:22.340 --> 59:25.700 I kind of think that's why it's happening where they're left or right. It's about like good 59:25.700 --> 59:28.960 Go ahead frame us anti-american. We're doing this to protect american rights 59:28.960 --> 59:33.120 Here's a follow-up clip about them being charged for it because they are being charged 59:33.120 --> 59:37.060 And I think it's you know, it's crazy to think about what is being charged and what's not 59:37.060 --> 59:40.560 And then look at the charges that are happening and compare that to you know 59:40.560 --> 59:45.340 Like the example was made about the people the the left-leaning people that got charged with like 50 59:45.340 --> 59:51.180 100 years for in one case not even being present at the protest and most of them not even being in line 59:51.700 --> 59:55.040 Knowing the guy that actually shot, which is where it all comes from, you know 59:55.040 --> 59:58.540 And you may agree with that but then compare that to what jislin max will got, you know 59:58.540 --> 01:00:00.460 Look at the people getting I mean, it's insane 01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:01.960 bastardization of justice 01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.020 So here's what these guys got for you know, if you if you argue the vandalism 01:00:06.020 --> 01:00:11.680 It's still about defending your rights case in real rancho where license plate reader cameras were destroyed 01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:17.800 Then replaced with a flag police say the man behind the crime cost the city thousands and damages 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.380 New 13's bianca hoops has that video 01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:28.840 A series of vandalized cameras have real rancho police questioning who did it so that's um, that's where 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:33.560 ALPR's were the license plate reader someone stole the reader and replaced it with this flag 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.540 We had the same thing happen yesterday off of metal arms 01:00:37.540 --> 01:00:38.580 When did they do that? 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.220 I have no idea 01:00:39.220 --> 01:00:43.520 In may real rancho police found at least three flock cameras 01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:50.180 Also known as license plate readers destroyed the solar panels attached to them were stolen 01:00:50.180 --> 01:00:53.800 Then a flag was hung on top of the camera poles 01:00:59.140 --> 01:01:07.160 Within days of the investigation police pull over a truck that matched the description of the car tied to the flock camera incidents 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:12.180 In the car they find multiple flags that were similar to the ones in the vandalized cases 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:20.500 The driver 44 year old jevon martinez was arrested for an unrelated warrant and has since then been released 01:01:20.500 --> 01:01:25.520 Police say martinez admitted to the vandalism when they asked about the flags 01:01:26.020 --> 01:01:29.040 And he even took videos on his phone every time 01:01:29.700 --> 01:01:31.340 Oh, look at my work gentlemen 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.800 So all these cameras popping around the flock cameras. They are not ours 01:01:38.180 --> 01:01:39.060 Look at that 01:01:39.660 --> 01:01:45.700 Then within a week rear rancho police got a warrant to look out for some of the missing equipment and martinez's home 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:51.820 Even bringing in us. I wonder how they got that. How exactly do we get a warrant with what's the evidence? 01:01:51.980 --> 01:01:52.620 What's it based on? 01:01:53.220 --> 01:01:56.620 I mean, maybe there's something but I think it's worth thinking about okay 01:01:56.620 --> 01:02:01.380 So in in this particular case, right? They they pulled them over 01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:02.680 They 01:02:03.380 --> 01:02:07.560 Held him there long enough to find that he had an unrelated warrant 01:02:08.160 --> 01:02:12.460 Then while they had him in the car they questioned him about the flock stuff 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.680 He admitted up front 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.900 That he was you know, the person that had done it 01:02:17.900 --> 01:02:24.500 So they then obtained a warrant for his house to see if they could recover any of the alleged stolen equipment 01:02:24.500 --> 01:02:28.700 All right, so that you you then you've looked into this already because this yeah, yeah 01:02:28.700 --> 01:02:33.940 I played this I played this on uh monday show. Oh good good. Well, then the way that they uh 01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:39.140 Kind of frame it makes it feel like one thing was before the other but so you've looked into it 01:02:39.140 --> 01:02:47.500 So let's keep playing walk team because of his criminal history including assault because i'm missing three solar panels and one clock cameras 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:50.700 I'm missing them in the trash to put them on the side 01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:56.020 Because we we tracked one here in this area police say martinez caused more than 01:02:56.020 --> 01:03:02.340 20,000 dollars worth of damages and the reason this happened john martin is because of the history that you have 01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:06.740 Oh, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm so looking forward to this. You have no idea 01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:13.060 Now the point was we ultimately got released, right? Like it ultimately didn't really charge him as I just think that's sort of a win 01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:18.080 In the long sense anyway, you know what I mean like what it but I I think we will have to wait for the 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:23.800 Kind of precedent setting case on this, you know where that ultimately goes, but I 01:03:24.380 --> 01:03:26.900 Think these are already doing far more than what they claim anyway 01:03:27.640 --> 01:03:29.400 Oh, yeah, have you seen this already? 01:03:29.860 --> 01:03:31.240 It's got this this is the you know 01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:37.480 Additional part of this and there's there's a that was like car buzz calm that a whole article about this in the 16th of june 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:41.320 It's very it's becoming mainstream these things are simply things you can click on top 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:46.700 Or you know place on top of the flock cameras which allow them to absorb like your text messages and wi-fi and stuff 01:03:46.700 --> 01:03:49.680 It's insane and this thing is packed to the hilt with israeli intelligence 01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:54.660 I I've found over the years looking into all of this technology that the car 01:03:55.160 --> 01:04:01.480 Like the car talk guys not not tom and tom from car talk, but like in general in a broad sense 01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:02.680 you know the 01:04:03.200 --> 01:04:04.080 vehicle dudes 01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:07.600 They're on this very early 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:15.020 Screaming about it, but because it's such a niche corner of the internet. It doesn't really bleed over 01:04:15.020 --> 01:04:20.720 So anybody who's really into the the automobile industry or covers it a lot is going to have 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:27.520 a significant amount of work about all of this surveillance crap because 01:04:27.520 --> 01:04:29.680 You know there's 01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:32.580 a purest type mentality 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:38.120 For car aficionados and it's really like the least come 01:04:38.120 --> 01:04:41.440 You know the least amount of computer interference 01:04:42.220 --> 01:04:45.460 With you and your ability to handle this machine 01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:52.880 And so the you know love and revere the muscle car era because there's no computer brain in it 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:57.020 And now every time there's an upgrade and invasive technology 01:04:57.640 --> 01:05:03.300 You usually get a good chunk of these guys, uh, you know being like this is absolutely ridiculous. What the heck? 01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:07.840 Here's what it is. Here's the patent numbers. Here's the part number all that kind of stuff 01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:13.060 On the surface is insane. I I think I mentioned to you guys about when I was traveling when I was in la 01:05:13.060 --> 01:05:18.340 But for my my father's in hospital and the the I took I'm never getting around to car again for this very reason 01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:20.240 It it was it would literally 01:05:20.240 --> 01:05:24.380 Is that the right word for do it for the car? 01:05:24.660 --> 01:05:28.780 Like so I if it decides so it's got cameras everywhere like even it's you know 01:05:28.780 --> 01:05:33.160 It's reading it's blinking at you when there's not even a car that close because it's just close enough behind you 01:05:33.160 --> 01:05:35.200 Like you know this is going to cause accidents in my opinion 01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.800 Well, because you let it tell you it's there even though it might be wrong 01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:42.200 My point was though that it's clearly you're trying to accelerate and because it's too fat 01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:44.360 It'll pull back on the car. That's going to kill somebody 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:49.560 But all that all that said you know all the cameras and all that stuff. I mean, that's just I it's insane 01:05:49.560 --> 01:05:52.220 You don't whether it's from an idea that you want to be able to 01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:59.080 Control the machine yourself without an influence or just that you know the far more alarming realities of what that's actually leading to 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:01.720 Is somebody points out about not just teslas by the way 01:06:01.720 --> 01:06:06.160 But that's one of the many with the most cameras are out there mapping everything viewing everything 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:09.760 People are making points about you know, look at china and look at these things that are out there filming 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.240 It's like it's all over. We just don't see it the same way, right? 01:06:12.340 --> 01:06:13.500 It's already happening in our country 01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:18.640 We just view it differently because it's elons or whatever other companies and it's far more than teslas, you know 01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:20.240 It's it's all encompassing at this point 01:06:21.100 --> 01:06:24.840 It's michael hastings flying into a tree at 100 miles an hour, right? 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:31.500 Of course overlapping that with the vault seven understanding about how these things can literally be framed as anybody else 01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:37.000 Which has already happened more than once, you know, believe the fingerprints of iran or or whatever or ron doing that at the united states 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.220 Absolutely possible 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:43.360 Yeah, mid from michael hastings to mitch mcconnell sister-in-law, right? 01:06:46.780 --> 01:06:47.400 Go ahead 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.860 It's just no I mean it is that's a horrible way to go 01:06:50.860 --> 01:06:55.280 Having your your tesla drive you into your pond on your property 01:06:55.820 --> 01:07:02.260 And then giving you the I don't think so dave when you're like, you know, we're rolling down the windows that no no, we're not 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:07.800 Yeah, I mean however you look at that even if you think it was just some sort of weird glitch 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:12.860 It's still just as terrifying. That's why exactly exactly why I don't want anything like that 01:07:12.860 --> 01:07:15.920 Or have a smart home that could shut your doors on you and not let you out 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.520 I mean, these are real things that have actually happened. This is even if it's the fringe glitch 01:07:20.520 --> 01:07:26.360 I don't want it. But let alone the idea that some power entity could decide to just silently take you out and be like, oopsy 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:30.480 AI glitch we'll fix that, you know, no one's responsible because it's a machine. We have to fix it. It's a glitch 01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:33.920 Firmware update. Sorry that you died, right? 01:07:35.120 --> 01:07:39.380 No, it's not even worth laughing at just to you know, it's yeah, it's it is quite insane where this all is 01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:43.820 But I think it's a good place to leave it for today. Um, thanks for joining steve. It was good to have you on the show, brother 01:07:43.820 --> 01:07:46.600 Thanks for the invitation man insanity going on 01:07:46.600 --> 01:07:50.840 But I'll end with the clip that I'm sure everyone's seen because it really does kind of it's kind of the 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:54.500 It's only one example of an endless stream of misidentification 01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:58.420 But I love this one as I'm sure you both played where he sees 100 certain 01:07:58.420 --> 01:08:03.220 He says more than once about how these cameras can lead to people being falsely accused 01:08:03.220 --> 01:08:08.900 Whether by design or incompetence or, you know, just whatever it's it's obviously why we should be very 01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:12.780 You know aware and push back on these things in my opinion 01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:15.660 But anything to leave us with either one of you before we take off today 01:08:17.280 --> 01:08:19.720 No, oh no, this clip this clip is gonna 01:08:20.320 --> 01:08:22.500 Kick in my situational Tourette 01:08:23.400 --> 01:08:26.280 For sure feel to scream all you want. I'll pull us back. So don't 01:08:27.540 --> 01:08:31.800 All right guys. Well, thanks for thanks for joining today and we'll charlie and I'll be seeing you 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.740 You know a couple weeks and steve. I'll see you next Tuesday 01:08:35.500 --> 01:08:38.940 Thank you for joining in today as always question everything come to your own conclusions 01:08:39.540 --> 01:08:40.240 stay vigilant 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:47.300 If cameras everywhere in that town you can't get a breath of fresh air in or out without us knowing 01:08:47.740 --> 01:08:50.000 Crisanna elzer learned the power of flock 01:08:51.380 --> 01:08:56.640 You were in town from 11 52 until 1209 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:03.880 Exactly like I said nothing gets in or out of the town without us knowing when a colorado police officer 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:09.360 Showed up at her door holding flock snapshots of her truck and here's when you left 01:09:10.240 --> 01:09:13.620 At 1209. That's when you left town to get 01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:16.680 No to stop at ridge trail 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:22.160 And take a package. Well, there's no shushing. I don't need to be serious. I need to know where this is 01:09:22.160 --> 01:09:29.060 The first thing he pulled out on the body cam is that flock picture the clear photograph of your car 01:09:29.060 --> 01:09:32.240 But here's your vehicle in the neighborhood many many times 01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:37.640 Apparently casing houses because you just can't drive through for work or visit other businesses 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:43.760 You can only be casing houses. It is her it is 100 percent. It is locked in there is zero doubt 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:49.920 I wouldn't have come here unless I was 100 sure 100 percent. It is certain it is on video 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:54.820 You're obviously welcome to go to court. Crisanna was charged with stealing a package 01:09:54.820 --> 01:09:58.600 But it wasn't her the porch pirate was somebody else 01:10:00.620 --> 01:10:05.100 Multiple times you tried to show him your video evidence. He didn't want to see it 01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:09.380 When I called him back. He said that's not my job. You looked at a time of a crime 01:10:09.380 --> 01:10:14.360 You saw my vehicle entering in the flock. No, no what I did was I did an investigation 01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.420 I have video evidence. I don't know what you want me to say 01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:28.240 The churches were dropped after Crisanna spent weeks trying to get the police chief to look at her evidence 01:10:28.240 --> 01:10:32.940 Time stamped video from her truck and a neighbor's doorbell camera showing 01:10:32.940 --> 01:10:35.060 She wasn't at the scene of the crime 01:10:35.060 --> 01:10:42.800 What does it say about where we are that you feel you have to have more cameras than the police have in order to make sure you can prove yourself innocent 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.860 It sounds like it flipped the script to 01:10:44.860 --> 01:10:50.900 You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent without a flock camera that detective would not have been at her door 01:10:50.900 --> 01:10:53.500 By his own admission pulled out the flock picture of her car 01:10:53.500 --> 01:10:58.080 Do you want to apologize to Crisanna elzer for what happened for the police misusing the tools? 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:03.780 I don't think that I have to apologize for the crime. He wasn't I mean other than being reprimanded for his attitude 01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:04.620 Sure 01:11:04.620 --> 01:11:08.580 But I would tell you that like should I apologize for somebody misusing a tool? 01:11:08.980 --> 01:11:13.560 I don't think so flock safety chief communications officer josh thomas 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.280 Who's watching the watchers in these cases? 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.400 Well, uh, the city council the city owns the data 01:11:19.400 --> 01:11:24.580 So city council would have the very appropriate responsibility in that case our point of view has always been 01:11:24.580 --> 01:11:28.700 That um, it does not flock's job to police the way police do their work