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All right, so today's guest is Ann Cap Tim.
He's a commentator, a content creator,
and a musician.
His work traverses the Annaco Capitalist's fear.
He also does cultural analysis and political philosophy.
He's a vocal advocate known for challenging
conventional political narratives.
He's been a guest on a bunch of different independent podcasts,
and he also just released an album in July of last year
called The State's Just a Mafia,
which I love that title.
It features 11 tracks that blend political critique
and his signature style.
Tim, man, thanks so much for joining us today,
and welcome to the Free Thought Project podcast.
Hey, it's good to be here,
and thank you all for having me.
Yeah, most definitely, man.
Well, again, I do want to apologize for it taking so long
to get you on the show.
I think you reached out sometime after your album was released,
and just the way that we book our guests,
the first half of the opening that we did have
was a few months later,
and because we only do one show a week,
the booking queue gets filled up fast,
and blah, blah, blah.
It did take longer than we wanted.
No problem, and I want to say,
you didn't know me from Adam,
so when I reached out to you,
I appreciate you actually answering.
Yeah.
I just get started with music and all that stuff,
so that means a lot to when people
that have a decent audience actually respond.
Even if it took a while, I appreciate it.
Yeah, well, you're right,
and you touched on something there.
We haven't had a lot of communications,
and I think we've been following each other for a while,
but one of the things that we have done
over the years with this podcast is,
I mentioned a few of maybe some of the bigger guests
that we've had on a few minutes ago,
but we also tried to have just artists, activists,
advocates of liberty and peace,
and all these types of people on the show.
Maybe people who do need a little boost
in trying to get their numbers up
or get some more attention on
some piece of art that they created.
Yeah, we're happy to have you on,
and hopefully we could get into your journey
and some of your music as well,
but before we get to that,
I thought maybe we could start with something
that just seems inescapable right now on the internet,
and that's the final release
of the remaining 3.5 million Epstein documents,
and I know you've been talking about it online,
I know Matt and myself have been talking about it
and writing about it and tweeting about it,
and there's a lot to this,
and a lot of it does feel extremely sloppy,
like it was rushed,
which is kind of ironic, right,
because the past few months,
they've been telling us that they couldn't release
these last 3 million that they've been sitting on
because they were focused on protecting the victims.
Well, lo and behold, you know,
some of the victims' names and faces
were actually playing his day in these files.
They weren't redacted at all,
and I should probably also mention
that the final release was overdue as well.
I think it was like 42 days or something like that,
past due after they were actually supposed to be released
through Thomas Massie's Epstein Transparency Act,
so I'm not sure if you've speculated much on this,
but the big question seems to be for everybody is why?
Like, why now?
Why did they finally decide to drop the last 3 million files?
And this is after Trump's been calling it a Democrat hoax,
and we know Kash Patel and Bongino telling everybody
that, you know, Epstein didn't traffic victims to anybody,
so totally bananas, but here we are.
So, yeah, what are your thoughts as to,
you know, why they would actually release them now?
Well, I think Massie kind of put them up against the wall
to some degree.
I do think that Congress and congressmen
don't have much power,
but I think Massie really forced their hand in this.
So that's, I think, why we're getting them,
why it took so long.
I think it's because it takes a while to launder stuff
and to whitewash things and get certain people's names out of it
and to okay with their handlers, the Massad and the CIA.
And so I think that's why it has taken as long as it has.
And has everything actually come out?
Has it been the whole dump?
I thought they're still holding back.
I know they redacted a bunch of names,
and that's really the whole point of the thing,
but has everything come out?
I'm not clear on that.
That's what they're telling us.
I'm kind of skeptical as well.
I mean, who really knows, right?
But that's what they're saying as of right now.
I think Massie mentioned something about there's more
that they haven't released, but I don't know.
Oh, interesting. Matt, have you heard anything about that?
Yeah, I have.
And they also released a bunch,
and then pulled them off the web really quickly.
It's crazy what's going on here.
Yeah, it seems Massie, man.
I mean, there's somewhere in the files,
Bill Gates apparently caught an STD from a Russian hooker.
I don't know if you saw that,
and he tried to secretly slip Melinda antibiotics,
and oh man, yeah, there's, I think as you just mentioned,
yeah, the DOJ just removed the unverified claims
of accusing Trump of sexual assault of a minor
in New Jersey decades ago,
and they haven't explained why
or if they're going to be, you know,
returned to the public access, the archive there.
And yeah, man, there's just a lot of stuff coming out.
I think I even saw Epstein sent an email to Peter Thiel
saying, I represent the Rothschilds,
and that's kind of a big bombshell as well.
And, you know, we've been covering Rothschild's information
and news for years here at the Free Thought Project.
So yeah, there is a lot.
I know that even Ben Swan has been kind of recently vindicated.
You know, he was the guy who broke open
the whole pizza gate conspiracy to the mainstream.
I think he was on a Fox,
or excuse me, a CBS station as a news anchor at that point.
And we've had him on the show a couple of times
and we even talked about this the first time we interviewed him.
But he basically was shunned.
He basically was pushed out.
They clamped down on his social media,
said, you're not allowed to talk about this anymore.
And eventually he was basically fired.
But yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
The word pizza is mentioned 911 times
in this newest dump here.
And there's also a grape soda and pizza parties
and a bunch of other stuff that seems to be code word terminology.
That's even been confirmed by, you know,
self-proclaimed pedophiles and 4chan.
So there is a lot here to be exploring.
Is there anything that's kind of caught you off guard, Tim,
or anything that kind of particularly stands out
as far as what you've been seeing?
I mean, there's a lot going on right now.
A lot of people are uncovering a lot of different things.
Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot.
Your post about that Epstein says he works for the Rothschilds
was, I mean, is one of those things where it's like duh,
but then they actually said it.
He actually said it out loud.
Well, not out loud in an email that I guess he never thought
would see the light of day.
But to me that was very telling.
Another thing that's been interesting is the way social media
and even some of the things in the Epstein file,
I think Jeffrey even mentioned himself
as kind of symbolically like the video game
Five Nights at Freddy's.
I don't know if any of y'all played that.
My daughter, my oldest daughter, she loves those games.
We even went and saw the movies.
And that comparison, having known that fandom is like,
whoa, this is deep.
Because the game is you're basically a watchman
at a like retired pizzeria.
Pizza, of course.
And there's these animatronics that you have to keep from
killing you.
And the animatronics are controlled by the puppet master,
so to speak.
And it's like Jeffrey Epstein is one of the animatronics.
Yeah, he's been exposed.
He's been broken down.
But yet the whole system that was running the show,
so to speak, is still alive and well.
And it's just so much dark stuff in a way that I try
to kind of deal with dark things and evil things
as I write about them.
And so I recently just finished a song.
Well, not finished yet, but it's close.
It's called Five Nights at Jeffries.
It's dark.
It's weird.
But it's like, this is the only way I can process this stuff.
It really kind of follows the metaphor that the symbolic
nature of Five Nights at Freddy's the video game
with what has happened.
And I might release a little kind of snippet of it just to see
if people might just be like, that's weird.
And it is weird.
But it's like, I don't know how else to process some of this
craziness that you read in the Epstein files.
It's just wild.
Man, I can totally relate.
I wrote an article about it yesterday.
And just doing the research, it took me hours.
And I had to read some of the most horrifying shit.
I won't even say it out loud.
Some of the emails and the FBI files of the witness testimonies
from some of the victims.
And people are claiming that this is just a Democratic hoax.
They still have these hardcore MAGA supporters
that are still claiming this is a Democrat hoax
despite some of these files being decades old.
And going back, they go back to way before Trump
ever ran for election when Trump was a Democrat.
This isn't something new that came out
and they're using it to smear Trump.
This is decades-long witness testimony
and everything that's been going on in relation to Epstein.
And it's like a psychological phenomenon
that blows my mind.
And it would be fascinating if it weren't just so fucking tragic.
For years, MAGA, they were like,
yeah, Trump's going to release the Epstein files.
He's the one with the client list.
This is going to bring all down to pedocracy.
And then in 2026 and the late 2025,
the reality is that Trump's own DOJ
said that there were no fucking Epstein files.
And then they fought to release them.
They lied to everybody in their face
and all these MAGA supporters still hold on
and still support them despite some of this crazy stuff
that are in these files.
Like 13-year-old girl,
like Trump forces himself on her
and like a BJ, you know,
and then beating her when she bit him.
It's crazy.
And people are like, oh, this Trump would never do that.
But if you look at Trump's track record
over the last couple of decades,
the evidence of his predation, his sexual predation,
it's out in the open.
This isn't like a big leap to say
that he would force himself on a 13-year-old girl.
It's practically his brand.
I mean, the dude admitted to breaking in and not breaking in
and walking, allowed to be walking into dressing rooms
and these beauty patents that he owned
of teenagers that are naked,
many of whom were children in there.
And a lot of these children came out and testified later
and sworn testimonies and talked about how,
you know, Trump saw them naked in the dressing room
and he bragged about that he could do it
and no one could tell him anything
because he owns a damn pageant.
You know, he bragged about wanting to date a 10-year-old.
This is all on record, all on video of him saying it.
You know, he was, he was found liable
for sex abuse in court in 2023.
We don't even talk about that, you know.
And it's just wild that we keep,
that people keep calling this like a Democrat hoax
and they refuse to see the horrible shit
that this, that both the left and the right are doing.
The left talking about the right's version
of their blindness right now,
but the left does the exact same thing.
You know, they refuse, they just point all the,
it's all the villains are on the right.
You see how messed up the right is?
They're the ones in this.
It's just Trump and Elon.
They don't see the Clinton shit.
They don't see, you know, they don't see the Bill Gates stuff.
Like the sec, the STD is like, that shit's hilarious to me.
But, you know, like there's, there's a bunch more
far darker shit involved than, than just Bill Clinton.
I mean, than just Bill Gates getting a STD
from a Russian hooker.
But the blindness by these two parties that they,
that they have and are unable to see
the crimes of their own party is disheartening at, you know,
at best.
But so like, I guess my question, Tim, is like,
how do we break through that, the propaganda
that these people have and show them that their,
their anti-establishment hero is basically a card-carrying
member of the, the Satanic pedophile swamp
that he claimed to was going to clean up, you know?
I mean, is it even possible to reach these people who's,
who's like, who their moral compass has just been
so recalibrated to the partisan loyalty
that they can look past these horrifying implications
in the Epstein files?
It definitely shows us how some of these dictators
in history have come to power and people just don't care
anything of the truth of who they really are.
It's just, it's all about, it's their guy
and they double down and, and even though people are lined
up in boxcars and shot, it's just, it, it's sickening.
But I think the best way to point out that it's all just
a big joke and a show that it's a left, right,
it's a nasty ass bird and the bird has two wings,
but you can't separate one wing from the other.
It's part of the same animal.
And by pointing out the hypocrisy, I think is our best,
our best strategy, but then it's like,
these people don't even care about hypocrisy,
but like pointing out that the way that the right used to be
so against federal agents.
I mean, you talk about the ATF and the right would about fight you
and rightfully so.
Second amendment go.
Yeah, it's great.
I love it.
But then you fast forward to ICE and it's like federal agents
are the greatest thing in the world.
They're, they're, they're doing the duty of the state,
you know, and we got to get these immigrants out
and the immigrants are the biggest boogeyman ever
and what, and then the left had the same mentality
when Clinton was president that it was the boogeyman
and really the whole idea of being anti-immigrant
is a very leftist idea.
It's a protectionist, my jobs and they're going to come
steal my job and oh my God, you know, it's,
that's a very like labor union protectionist mentality.
It's not a freedom of movement free market mentality,
but yet the right is all about it now
and the left's not, which is kind of funny.
And now you have the left who has historically been anti-gun
and now they're talking about go out and buy guns,
which is great, you know,
I think more people should own guns and less feds,
but I think pointing out the hypocrisy is the best,
is our really maybe our only path forward
is just saying, look, how can you be a part
of this stupid pendulum swing every four to eight years?
It's the same bullshit over and over again.
Now your side's pro this, their side's against it.
Now in four years it's going to switch.
Other than trying to point out the hypocrisy,
that's what I try to do.
I've got this stupid little AI short that I do
and it's stupid, but seem to like it.
It's where I've got two characters,
one's called Ash, they, them.
She's just blue-haired, nose ring.
Can't tell whether she's a female or a male,
this AI character that I've voiced myself.
And I kind of give you like, oh my God,
I've got this like voice like this.
And then I've got this other character.
His name is Dale and he's from BFE, Arkansas.
You know, he's an old man that trump, no trump, eyes.
And so I try to point out the hypocrisy,
the best I can, you know,
with ways that I'm able to do,
I like studio work, I like voice acting,
I like singing.
So that's my battle cry is just,
hey, point out the hypocrisy any way you can.
Yeah, man, I think that's a great strategy
and I try to do that.
You just hold up a mirror, right?
And I mean, sometimes the brainwashing is just so strong
it doesn't work, so I mean,
somebody was talking about, I think Matt Wall,
she's like, we see we got to get rid of these immigrants
because most of them are child sexual predators,
predators, you know,
and it got like 40,000 likes on Twitter and all this
and I know for a fact that that's not the case, right?
Most of them don't have criminal records
and if they do have criminal records,
it has to do with immigration
and most of them are nonviolent offenders.
Most of the people that have been arrested already
have no criminal record,
but that doesn't matter to people who are blinded
by their partisan sides, right?
So I went to Matt Wall's post
and I did the, you know,
you can do the Hague Rock,
which I absolutely love
and man, it works.
So I said, hey, Grock, explain to Matt Wall
why he's wrong here and it did,
it went, it did like a breakdown
of the percentage of illegal immigrants
who have been arrested for child sexual predation
or whatever or any kind of sexual predation
and it was like 0.001, right?
Which is far less than the,
like normal society of legal citizens
and it showed them that
and it brought Grock broke it down like,
yes, this is not true based on the stats that we have now.
And then some MAGA hat comes in there
and he responds to that Grock post
and like calls me out.
He's like, Grock owned you, you see what?
It showed you, you should have done that
because Grock told the truth
and it showed that you were wrong
and I'm like, wait dude,
did you read what Grock said?
I'm like, the dude read completely different words
and it blew my mind that this guy
thought that he was,
I was being owned by Grock
telling Matt Walsy he was wrong
but he couldn't see that it was saying that.
That's what's so scary and crazy
is that this guy is like,
oh, it doesn't matter what it is.
It could be a black square
and that black square is gonna show,
you know, whatever the fuck they wanna see,
that's what they're gonna see is,
it doesn't matter.
It's like a version of reality
that only exists inside their heads
based on this like warfare
that's been waged against them for so long, you know,
that everybody's so enraged with
everything that their party tells them
to be enraged with,
that they don't have time for critical thought
or stepping back and examining the situation
or applying empathy or any of that, man.
And the Epstein files are a perfect example
of all that, you know?
And the Epstein files, like,
we haven't gotten into that part yet,
but this is like a,
it's a symptom, right?
The Epstein files we're seeing
basically the writing on the wall.
It's a historical pattern, you know,
like all empires go down this same route,
you know, and we're just now seeing this
and it's being exposed to everybody,
but it's like unchecked power
every single time that happens, you know?
It stops being more about
mere financial greed of political influence,
but it starts gravitating towards
extreme forms of like,
of say-to-massacism
and violence
and hurting the most innocent society.
I mean, this has happened throughout history
and it's documented, you know?
People laugh when you say the term
satanic child-abusing cult,
but I mean, these people in the emails
are talking about sacrificing children
in front of Malik and joking about it.
And that's satanic, dude.
I mean, like, this,
and we have this throughout history.
I mean, everybody brings up Rome,
but that's an easy one.
You know, they had the hunting grounds
where children were hunted
and the ruling class literally believes
that they're above the law
and they begin to view the rest of the humans
below them as cattle
to be used up.
And I think that that's what these Epstein files show
and the fact that people only see it
as from a left or a right view is pretty depressing.
I think they could serve as a catalyst
to wake society up versus, you know,
more catalyst for divide
and that sucks.
But, you know, it's not an anomaly.
When one group of people, you know,
holds the monopoly on use of force,
their moral compass,
it doesn't even point anymore, you know,
it just breaks.
It's not just a Trump problem
or Clinton problem or a left problem
or a right problem, right?
This is the nature of the empire,
like I just said.
And it's final, most parasitic stage
and it's collapsing
and looking at these horrifying details surface, you know,
like, how do we use this moment
to move the conversation
from which politician is worse,
you know, to the fundamental question
of why are we allowing
anyone to have
this kind of unchecked power
in the frickin' first place?
How do we convince the public that
the only way to protect our children
is to dismantle this pedestal
that breeds this disgusting,
vile predation
in the first place?
Yeah.
One of my strategies,
because I'm a Christian
and I have a song on the album
that says No King But Christ
back when I wrote that when Candice Owens,
which I'm not endorsing her,
but she
would use that hashtag
on Twitter and different things
and she got accused of being an anti-Semitic
because of the hashtag No King But Christ
and I was like, okay, this is stupid.
I'm gonna make a song
that's titled No King But Christ.
But anyway, I think as a Christian,
now, I know everybody
in the audience is probably not Christian,
but I think probably a lot are
and if we can get,
if I can get
Christian people to realize
that the state
is not just a mafia,
it is an evil cabal
of ritualistic sacrifice
and a cult
and, you know, all these things
sometimes I think Christians
are more
out to come out of the
statism through Jesus
and at least in my life
I have seen that
and the Super Bowl's coming up
and we, you know, the right
has their own alternative Super Bowl
show and which is kind of funny
but
contrast those two things, they don't want
the regular Super Bowl show
because they say it's a cult
it's, you know, it's
New World Order, it's Illuminati
it's got all these different symbolism
and which I agree to some extent
I think maybe they know it's a lower board
but then they do their alternative
and it's gonna be nothing but
a spank bank
of militarism
empire
you name it, it's patriotism
you know, all these things
that's nationalistic
and Christians will go cheer for that
and I'm like, if we can
let Christians realize that hey
what you hate about the state
is the
actual essence of the state
and so maybe you should come out
from the horror Babylon, come out from
the evil empire
and focus on Christ and
you know, no king but
Christ, that means
my hope is in Christ, it's not in
any state, it's not in any empire
and the church has just
been co-opted and
just sucked in by the state
and they just focus so much
of their time and their energy on getting
elected and getting these Republicans in office
and what has it done?
I've heard evangelicals
talk about supporting Republicans
since I was in the cradle
and it's done nothing
it's done nothing for anybody
except make the state
grow and so we have to kind
of shift our focus and realize
that it is the state that is the enemy
and we need to pull ourselves
out of that structure
and I don't mean that we have to
just put our heads in the sand but
I think
non-violent
just pulling back from the system
homeschooling your kids, homesteading
if you can move out in the country
and get some land
engaging in black markets
I think those are the white pill
things that we can do
as libertarians
as Christians
that might actually
work because if enough people are like
they just don't see the
legitimacy
of the state
then what can they really do?
they're talking about a tax revolt and I'm like great
we need to have more talk of this thing
along these lines
and so that's kind of where
I am
from a spiritual standpoint
but also from a political standpoint
if we can just let people realize
or show people
that what they hate about the
state is the actual
state and there's no changing that
it's that way by design
what you hate about it is set up
by design
it cannot exist unless it steals
first
legitimizes murder
it legitimizes rape
as we're seeing with the Epstein files
and that is what it is
it's not that hey we need to go save it
it's this is what it
is supposed to be
because when your foundation
is I got a still to exist
there's no other way to go
but just become
an evil empire like you said
and I think we're witnessing that downfall
as we speak
well said Tim and yes exactly
man this two-party duopoly
has been one of the greatest
psyops of all time to really
keep people fighting and at each other's
throats I mean I don't think
there's any better example than
anytime you happen to
correctly factually criticize
something about Trump like him being in these
Epstein files and then
the next thing you know you're being called
a dumbass liberal
libtard or whatever you know
there seems to be zero room
for nuance in the
the two-party mentality
and it works excellently for keeping
people divided you think people would see
past that right you think eventually
they would kind of see the writing on the wall
it does feel like we need a new
enlightenment period
almost and I think we
felt like we were getting close to that
with the
invention of social media
and when you know it was still kind of new
and you know the years that we first started
doing all this we really did think
that there was going to be
an awakening and we thought that people
if they just had the right information
they could potentially see past
a lot of this propaganda and indoctrination
but it turns out
it goes way deeper than that it turns out that
not only is a lot of this dogmatic
and just almost cult like
mentality and behavior
when it comes to the political tribalism but
it goes deeper than that we see how
the ruling class utilizes
the social media to continually
pose this against each other and how
they continue to implement
these fear-based propaganda
and you know even something like
what we saw and rightfully so
we're talking about you know the right
being up in arms about this immigration crisis
well yeah we just saw four years
of the Biden administration letting millions
and millions of illegal immigrants in so
there is
reason for some of this
legitimately they are stoking the fires
it does need to be
some type of shift in a
separate direction away from the state
I don't know if I'm
completely hopeful that
that will ever happen because even
something like what we're seeing right now
with the release of these Epstein
files I almost feel like it could
be something that
points to even a bigger agenda
it does feel like this could possibly
be some type of larger
form of a problem reaction solution
going on because what
they're doing right now obviously
furtherly digitalizes
the current form of the state right
like it's discrediting the
political class it feels like
they're intentionally trying to
have this controlled demolition almost
like what they've done with destroying the
dollar to usher in the CBDC
and stablecoins right so
I think at the age of information most
people know that the government is
compromised it is corrupt so
you know the question is no longer I just
tweeted about this so it's fresh on my mind but
the question is no longer like you know do you know
how corrupt the government is like how
captured it's been from the
corporate class but it's like
why do we keep consenting and
so I do feel like if there was
an agenda to
potentially replace the
the form of government the form of the state
we have now I would be pointing to
the AI
superclass right I mean the algorithms
the analyzation that
the AI could do I mean we already
see that this is happening in a
state like Albania where they've
taken on AI minister
I do feel like this could be a deliberate
thought out strategy to usher
in a agenda 2030
mindset for the people because
it's almost like well we've become
so
exhausted and frustrated by the endless
corruption that the humans apparently
can't work their way out of they
apparently can't change the system so
maybe we do need the technocrats to come
in and you know shift things
in a different direction and produce
this type of society where things might
actually be fair because there's a computer
controlling it. I think you make a great
point and from a Christian
perspective
it's an anarchist Christian perspective
it's like that screams
to me what you're saying as far as using
AI
and you're right like the state
always loves to use
anything any kind of awakening that might be
legit and then
they turn it on his head and
put the solution is always
more state for them
so like you had to occupy
Wall Street and the tea party
and they were both
right on a lot of stuff
but they couldn't get together they hated
each other but if that would have ever
they ever got together wow I mean
imagine what would have happened
possibly but the state made it so
that they could never get together and so their solution
for both
occupy Wall Street more state we need more regulation
tea party we need more
police state we need law and order
and so it didn't matter
what their solution was
because they co-opted
each movement and made their
solution more state and so I think
with AI it could be
the same thing as far as with Epstein
and revealing that what the state
really is and seeing the
wizard behind the curtain
so to speak of like a Wizard of Oz type
some symbolic
nature then
hey yeah well here's the solution
AI and it's like
it wouldn't be human
but it would be a way to have law
and order and it would be a way to
regulate it would be it would check
all these boxes for all these different parties
but it would still be more
state so instead of people
realizing the state is the problem
it's it's
coercion and and putting guns to people
had had to fund things
that should be voluntarily funded
yeah we can't go there so yeah
again the solution
is more state but I think it's more
diabolical with the AI
and you see people like
JD Vance
who is nothing more than
a plant by the big tech
people I mean hey they basically
pushed him
on Donald Trump
I'm not I'm not defending Donald Trump I think he's the
biggest piece of shit that's ever lived
but JD Vance was pushed
on Donald Trump
by all these tech people and
I think it's for a purpose
one of my crazy conspiracies and I won't
even necessarily say it on here but I have
a crazy conspiracy of what possibly could
happen next
with Trump being taken out of the way
and JD Vance gets the presidency
and then he just he gets to run
as president
the next election but I mean
that's just me being crazy
I like to be crazy
but I definitely see this
AI thing as being something that could
potentially be just horrible
and
from a biblical perspective in the
book of Revelation it mentions
this basically the statue
well or in Daniel too
this statue
that comes to life
and speaks
well if somebody
like John or Daniel
was seeing the future of these
prophetic things how would they describe
a robot a
what's the word android
you know how would they describe that
a statue it's not human
but it's given life
and it speaks
I like I don't know some of these things
just really clicked with me as far as AI
goes and reading scripture
it's like you know we could
we could definitely be going there and what is this
AI well this this statue
that is given life and speaks
these great things
what does it do it makes everybody
take the mark so they can't buy
or sell without the mark
blockchain you know we could
go a lot of different areas there but
I don't want to go to crazy town
I live there most of the time
I mean it's
no different from a lot of the stuff that we
talk about with the digital IDs
and the social credit scores
of 15 minute cities I mean all these
things and it does feel like there has been
a bigger agenda in place and just
now I mean even
let's be honest this has been something that's been
building up for a while but we're seeing it
really come to fruition now through the
Trump administration and
I think I heard something along
the lines of it was either
you know techno fascism with very
little resistance with Trump or
techno fascism with actual resistance
and Kamala was elected so
obviously we got
the mega very little resistance
version which is ironic because
during the covid years oh boy
were they up against the digital IDs
the covid tracing apps I mean
all those things they were adamantly against
and now you put the
daddy trump flavor spin on it
and well guess what everybody's
totally on board and especially
when it comes to the AI stuff I mean we're seeing
the AI advanced very rapidly
maybe not
you know anywhere near the sky net levels
which you know some of the conspiracy theorists
and paranoid heads are surrounding us
really like to dwell on
and we actually touched on that in our last
podcast with Dylan Schmidt but
it is moving very quickly we're seeing things
like as I mentioned the AI
minister in Albania but
beyond that more at the consumer level right
like we're seeing AI friends
that are popping up that companies that
you know now you can have an AI chat bot
buddy that you can chat to all day long
and AI therapists
that this whole world is expanding
very quickly AI music
and it's almost viewed as being
this objective thing and
as we know and I think a lot of people
know it's all about the inputs right like
who are programming the AI
how are they creating any type of
bias or objectivity is there
objectivity a lot of times it always
seems to align straight up
with the mainstream establishment
status quo surprisingly enough
but if you think
the indoctrination process is bad
now if you think the propaganda is bad
now just wait until AI
is the one producing it and everybody believes
AI and thinks that AI is
God sent so it does
seem concerning to me and I think
one way that could be a tall
tail way to analyze this
if there is a bigger agenda going on with
these Epstein files and
they're finally being released now is
will anybody actually be prosecuted
you know will there be any
types of arrests we didn't
see any deep state arrest we didn't see
any doge revelation arrests
how Trump didn't even lock up Hillary
after campaigning on it so
will we actually see any arrests if not
then there's probably a good chance
that this is part of the agenda
there seems to be zero energy
and effort being towards any type of
accountability they'll definitely go after
the protesters and all the alleged anti-semites
right but
couldn't care less about what's going on
with the ruling class elites
and I mean some of these emails
as you guys have mentioned it just made me sick to my
stomach and some of them are being redacted
and the names and it
doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but
we are at the 42 minute mark
now Tim and as we mentioned
in the beginning of the intro we could probably
spend all day talking about this stuff
and get into the ICE conversation
and the left right
paradigm here but I did want to
talk a little bit about you and get to know
you a little bit better and
your story so
I know that you've talked already about your journey
from conservative politics to a blend
of like this Christian anarchism
and libertarianism
what made you get into all this
and like where did this start
I mean people like me could say Ron Paul
was a big part of my trajectory into this world
but your story seems a little more rooted
and like faith and personal experience
so was there like a specific
aha moment that really pushed you
from statism into anarchism
voluntarism and
like how did those influences come together and maybe
after this we could get into more of the music side of things
yeah definitely was raised
in a Christian family
my dad was a pastor
I actually became a music minister
and so
music and faith has always been
important to me but very similar
to your awakening it was Ron Paul
oh no kidding
yeah watching Ron Paul it's a debate in 08
now I still would
if you asked me in 08
would you think of Ron Paul I'd be like I think I like a lot
of what he says he's just a little kooky
haha
but it got to
got my brain starting to
work instead of just
being an idiot and
now I would say Ron Paul is one of the smartest
people on the earth at the time
you know so
but that
in 08 I didn't agree with him 100%
but he got me thinking
especially when
they basically booed
I don't know where they were at somewhere I think South Carolina maybe
they basically booed
the audience booed Ron Paul because he said we basically
need to have a
golden rule type foreign policy
that a Jesus type foreign policy
do unto others as you have them do unto you
and they're booed
I remember that
oh my gosh you're booing Jesus
really
the right the Republicans who claim to love
Jesus they're booing Jesus
and so that was really a wake up call for me
by 2012 I was
firmly in the Ron Paul Revolution
camp had the t-shirts
you know going to different rallies
and different things and then
went from that to you know
Gary Johnson and
Libertarian Party and
now I'm pretty much just
unplugged from anything
political I just
not to knock those that are plugged in
I think Thomas Massey is doing amazing
things
I don't want to knock him in any way it's just
I could never I could never
be in that political environment
well I say
that they wouldn't allow me because
just a bit of an asshole but like
we have Donald Trump as president so I don't know
maybe I could exist in that
line but I don't think I could take myself
seriously if I was in that
climate again not to knock those I think
it takes a lot of different people
in the liberty movement to make the liberty movement
what it is it's just I have
kind of and I don't mean just
derogatory I've just personally outgrown
political parties and
I think our hope is more
in
unplugging ourselves from the system
and because I think when we're plugged in
and we try to work within the system
and system we legitimize it
and I don't want to legitimize it
just me personally and so I want to unplug
I don't want anything to do with it
I want to avoid taxes
I want to live in a black market
gray market you know
that aggrist mentality is just personally
where I'm at and so
that kind of led me to songwriting and
2020 was
a dark time for a lot of us
I was just mad all the time
and like I said
when I
get in those dark
times I like to write
and so that's why I wrote
the song in the last week
Five Nights at Jeffries
so been there in 2020
all the crap that was going on with COVID
and the lockdowns and
talking about forced vaccines
and knowing that this thing came from a lab
with
American taxpayers funding it
knowing all this stuff it just was so frustrating
an outlet for me during that time
was writing and so that's where
the whole idea of Ann Kept him
came from and
got the album done last year
around July and so
you know it's a hodgepodge of
it's definitely
very libertarian very anarchist very
aggrist but it's
it's kind of like I guess the best way
I've heard it described my style is like
maybe old school rock
but yet there's some
kind of rock-pop stuff to it
there's even some things that's got a little bit of a country flavor
to it but I think the
backbone of it is probably
old school rock folk
type deal
but like folk with a band
you know not just a guy with a guitar
which I'm going to do a song with
just me and a guitar but not to
knock that but that's kind of
the style of what Ann Kept him is so
you know if you like more classic
rock folk even
in the country
I know I have a little bit of a country
to my speaking
voice I'm not over the top
country I'm not going to be singing about
dogs and
stuff like that
drugs
maybe Dale will do an album
one day and we can do all that stuff
but now it's
I like to stick on the anti-state
stuff and so yeah you know check it out
check my stuff out it's on Spotify
Apple Music all that
all that stuff all the streaming
well yeah well we're hoping
to hear a song really quick
I just want to interject a quote you were
just talking about kind of being outside
of the realm of politics I think that
probably explains Matt and myself as well
the quote that came to mind at least
while you were speaking was the old
Robert Heinlein quote
I am free no matter what rules surround me
if I find them tolerable I tolerate them
if I find them too obnoxious I break
them I am free because I know
I alone am morally responsible
for everything I do and
man yeah if we if we just had more
people living in that type of mindset
oh boy I could only imagine
the country would be living in and
I'm almost certain it'd be more free
but enough of me blabbing here Tim
you wanted to do we wanted to do
a song of yours
we wanted to hear a song of yours the Rothschild's
rag considering we were
mentioning the Rothschild's earlier
in the conversation man so if you want
to go ahead and get all tuned up I think we have
about 10 minutes left so we could do this
in a white pill and this is
a great conversation so far so
let's stop it off with the cherry on top
yeah I'll put
some reverb on the mic that's okay
absolutely yeah
they sing they whisper deals but the
world can't see central bank to
the symphony and Paris
Berlin to O.B.C. the
Jekyll island conspiracy
the Rothschild's rag gets
the scripted play
they control the coin
you gotta do what they
say they're in
the shadows but they often
brag
while we dance along
to the Rothschild
rag
wars break out
they lend both sides in the vaulted
where the power hides
they own the debt they own the crown
when the leaders kneel empires bow
down you think it's law that runs
the lamb and it's the bankers hands
that command in the name of peace
and prosperity they loan your dreams
but you pay the fee the
Rothschild's rag gets
the scripted play
when they control the coin
you gotta do what they
say they're in the shadows
but they often
brag while we
dance along to the
Rothschild
rag
all the nations
rise
and the nations fall
but the bankers led
your outlast
them all
so dance along
to the silent
beat
from every capitol
to Wall Street
they print the
paper make the nations dance
and the Rothschild
rag you don't
stain
the chain
it's the Rothschild
rag it's the scripted
play
they control the coin
you gotta do what they
say they're in the
shadows but they often
brag
while we dance along
to the Rothschild
rag
that was great brother
man this is as jason said
we're running out of time here i'm gonna be quick
we're uh i want to thank you for coming on
man that i know thank you
for the patience i know it took a year to get
on the show but glad you finally did
i think we could have timed it better
this was a great great episode man
i know so many people
they talk about that you guys were just
talking about it with what woke you up
in your life and brought you to this
point and a lot of people have ron paul
and these and different
books that they've read but i know music
also plays a large role for that for so many
people you know i mean i remember
Sturgill simpson waking me up to psychedelics
back in the day and
he's also highly political i wrote an article
that he actually shared a long time ago where
he talks about the opium
drug trade in afghanistan
and he played that song on saturday night live
and it was like the article
was country music singer goes and exposes
the afghan opium trade on saturday night live
and no one noticed but somebody
noticed you know
anyway man you know so
as we kind of look forward to
like a future that
where people like us try to reject the
you know these old world predators
and these new world technocrats
how do you see the
role of music in this decentralization
movement like so
you know when the world feels like
it's drowning kind of like it is right now
can music be the catalyst that finally
helps people reclaim this
moral compass that's and
realize that they don't need a king
they don't need a president or they don't need some
ai algorithm to tell them
that they're free
yeah i'd like to think so i hope so
that's why i do
what i do i want
to be
another medium
in which people can
can wake up
i'm doing more like talking
and like little shorts
and videos where i'm talking
but i never really did a lot of that
and i thought that just wasn't my
bag and so but i'm like
i can sing you know i can write a song
so to me
i think music's powerful and
you take a songs like
like the one you mentioned with Sturgill Simpson or
or was it black sabbath
ozzie war pigs
you know
the anti-war movement i don't think would have gotten off the ground
if not for music so
music's powerful and
the thing is
it's it's hard
writing libertarian type music
and getting yourself out there
but
i do see it growing more
so and there's a lot
of great artists out there
maybe go to like libertarians who make art
dot com and
a lot of good like it my style might not
be what you like you might
like more pop stuff you like more like
heavy rock type stuff
i'm gonna be more in that middle middle
vein middle of the road
billy joel meets
classic rock meets
folk you know that's just that's just who i
am but
if i'm if i'm your guy please go check my stuff out
but if i'm not there's plenty other options out there
and
somebody might listen to a song and they're not gonna
but they wouldn't listen to a two hour long podcast
so
it's i think it can be a tool
to show people these
these principles like i have a song
that's called good ideas don't require force
when somebody made fun of me on
online you know they say you basically
got little anarchist nursery rhymes
and i'm like well okay you
meant that as a dig but i kind of take it as
a compliment you know because
if you haven't
graphs the the depths of good
ideas don't require force maybe you needed
in a nursery rhyme format
but yeah
i think music can change
hearts and hopefully change lives
hell yeah man and i think
you're on the right track with it you're
definitely my style dude i love
that like that soul rock folk mix
it's uh that's basically
everything i listen to
i hope one
day you have your oliver anthony moment
man where this
and you blow up and that goes out and you go viral
i mean i think that song
did a lot for people man it did i think
it yeah and then when he when
the republicans tried to play it at the r&c
and he asked him not to because
they're the rich men north of rich men
it was fucking that that
was baller dude it was awesome anyway
i hope that for you hey
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thank you again for coming on dude super
talented I can't wait to hear that song
I'm gonna have to link it at the bottom of the podcast
description so other people can link
it through I'll link to all your music down there
but before we get out of here man tell people
where they can find and support your work
yeah the best place is
andcaptim.com
you can find all of the music
on streaming you pick your you know
whatever platform you use
I'm on YouTube I'm on all the socials
if you're on X and you're
you're out there and you liked anything
that I said or anything that I sang
or anything please give me a follow on X
I get zero traction
on that social media
platforms probably because all I do is cyber
bully politicians and
but you know
I'd have a
more a better following on
like Facebook and tiktok and Instagram
but yeah I'd like to do better
on X so if you're
out there in X world please
give me a follow I would appreciate
that but yeah everything's at
andcaptim.com
awesome dude well thank you for coming on dude
it was a long time coming and well worth it
thank you thank you again thanks
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