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Can you believe it? 02:26.800 --> 02:28.860 No, man. That's wild ride, right? 02:29.040 --> 02:31.680 We started this back in, like, 2017, right? 02:31.860 --> 02:33.700 It was just you and I in vibes, 02:33.860 --> 02:36.440 and we would just talk about random shit, 02:36.460 --> 02:37.560 and it's come a long way. 02:37.700 --> 02:41.020 We've had some amazing, huge guests on over the years, 02:41.180 --> 02:43.680 and it's been a great journey, 02:43.680 --> 02:47.560 and I see it growing and getting bigger and better. 02:47.860 --> 02:50.340 We're owning our skills on this, and I think that it's showing, 02:50.340 --> 02:53.220 and I think that's why we're attracting more listeners every month, 02:53.460 --> 02:55.240 and I love it, man. It's exciting. 02:55.720 --> 02:57.940 I couldn't have said it better, and, I mean, yeah, 02:58.080 --> 03:00.080 I think it's only been, like, the past three years 03:00.080 --> 03:01.820 we've really started kind of taking it seriously 03:01.820 --> 03:05.260 and doing shows every week, and as you mentioned, 03:05.360 --> 03:06.180 so many great guests. 03:06.400 --> 03:09.360 I mean, Ron Paul, McAfee, Gia Edward Griffith, 03:09.540 --> 03:11.320 and even Matt Taiibi last year. 03:11.560 --> 03:12.900 It certainly has been quite the ride, man. 03:13.440 --> 03:15.200 I'm so grateful that we keep it going, 03:15.340 --> 03:16.800 and even though they've, you know, 03:16.820 --> 03:18.460 tried to stop us with the censorship 03:18.460 --> 03:21.060 and the coordinated attacks against us and all that, 03:21.160 --> 03:24.940 but, and seeing we are on the topic of previous episodes, 03:25.060 --> 03:28.160 guys, I do want to apologize for missing last week's show. 03:28.540 --> 03:30.340 As our longtime listeners know, 03:30.640 --> 03:33.040 we really don't like to miss any shows. 03:33.140 --> 03:34.180 We don't like missing a week, 03:34.700 --> 03:37.400 but our guests did cancel last week at the last second, 03:37.420 --> 03:39.600 and even though we did try to scramble to put together 03:39.600 --> 03:42.200 a new show, it just, it didn't work out, 03:42.280 --> 03:44.740 so our apologies, but we are back, 03:44.940 --> 03:47.320 and today's guest is somebody I've been wanting to have 03:47.320 --> 03:49.900 on the show for at least a year now. 03:50.180 --> 03:53.120 In fact, he was supposed to join us last October for an episode, 03:53.120 --> 03:56.320 but I actually had to cancel that at the last minute, 03:56.460 --> 03:58.900 because I had a trip and, but whatever. 03:59.040 --> 04:00.120 He's here today with us. 04:00.200 --> 04:01.920 I'm super excited, and, you know, 04:01.980 --> 04:04.100 not only do we get to talk to him about the state of the world, 04:04.100 --> 04:07.200 but hopefully hear some of his music from his new album as well. 04:07.680 --> 04:09.220 But first, of course, guys, 04:09.420 --> 04:11.740 please remember to rate, review, 04:11.840 --> 04:13.200 and subscribe to this podcast 04:13.200 --> 04:15.640 on your favorite podcast player of choice. 04:15.640 --> 04:18.840 Now, we are on Spotify, Apple Podcast, 04:19.100 --> 04:20.780 a bunch of other podcast players, 04:21.340 --> 04:22.840 so do make sure you are subscribed. 04:23.540 --> 04:24.920 Thank you for that, free thinkers. 04:26.080 --> 04:28.860 All right, so today's guest is Ann Cap Tim. 04:29.120 --> 04:31.600 He's a commentator, a content creator, 04:31.740 --> 04:32.820 and a musician. 04:33.640 --> 04:36.500 His work traverses the Annaco Capitalist's fear. 04:37.120 --> 04:41.600 He also does cultural analysis and political philosophy. 04:42.000 --> 04:44.460 He's a vocal advocate known for challenging 04:44.460 --> 04:45.860 conventional political narratives. 04:46.640 --> 04:49.420 He's been a guest on a bunch of different independent podcasts, 04:49.720 --> 04:54.080 and he also just released an album in July of last year 04:54.080 --> 04:56.120 called The State's Just a Mafia, 04:56.340 --> 04:58.180 which I love that title. 04:59.000 --> 05:02.280 It features 11 tracks that blend political critique 05:02.280 --> 05:03.720 and his signature style. 05:04.400 --> 05:06.760 Tim, man, thanks so much for joining us today, 05:06.760 --> 05:08.840 and welcome to the Free Thought Project podcast. 05:09.780 --> 05:11.120 Hey, it's good to be here, 05:11.220 --> 05:12.400 and thank you all for having me. 05:12.920 --> 05:14.280 Yeah, most definitely, man. 05:14.460 --> 05:17.120 Well, again, I do want to apologize for it taking so long 05:17.120 --> 05:17.860 to get you on the show. 05:18.080 --> 05:21.780 I think you reached out sometime after your album was released, 05:22.120 --> 05:24.220 and just the way that we book our guests, 05:25.060 --> 05:26.800 the first half of the opening that we did have 05:26.800 --> 05:28.320 was a few months later, 05:28.560 --> 05:30.200 and because we only do one show a week, 05:30.640 --> 05:32.100 the booking queue gets filled up fast, 05:32.400 --> 05:33.120 and blah, blah, blah. 05:33.280 --> 05:34.960 It did take longer than we wanted. 05:35.880 --> 05:37.940 No problem, and I want to say, 05:38.180 --> 05:39.940 you didn't know me from Adam, 05:40.340 --> 05:42.040 so when I reached out to you, 05:42.500 --> 05:44.200 I appreciate you actually answering. 05:44.740 --> 05:44.960 Yeah. 05:46.580 --> 05:49.940 I just get started with music and all that stuff, 05:50.080 --> 05:52.600 so that means a lot to when people 05:52.600 --> 05:55.160 that have a decent audience actually respond. 05:56.360 --> 05:58.120 Even if it took a while, I appreciate it. 05:58.560 --> 05:59.820 Yeah, well, you're right, 05:59.840 --> 06:00.880 and you touched on something there. 06:01.080 --> 06:02.520 We haven't had a lot of communications, 06:03.080 --> 06:04.720 and I think we've been following each other for a while, 06:04.840 --> 06:07.060 but one of the things that we have done 06:07.060 --> 06:08.920 over the years with this podcast is, 06:09.020 --> 06:12.440 I mentioned a few of maybe some of the bigger guests 06:12.440 --> 06:14.300 that we've had on a few minutes ago, 06:14.380 --> 06:17.660 but we also tried to have just artists, activists, 06:17.980 --> 06:19.680 advocates of liberty and peace, 06:19.900 --> 06:21.920 and all these types of people on the show. 06:22.000 --> 06:23.640 Maybe people who do need a little boost 06:23.640 --> 06:26.300 in trying to get their numbers up 06:26.300 --> 06:27.720 or get some more attention on 06:27.720 --> 06:29.560 some piece of art that they created. 06:30.140 --> 06:31.600 Yeah, we're happy to have you on, 06:31.780 --> 06:34.700 and hopefully we could get into your journey 06:34.700 --> 06:36.320 and some of your music as well, 06:36.360 --> 06:38.220 but before we get to that, 06:38.320 --> 06:41.600 I thought maybe we could start with something 06:41.600 --> 06:44.100 that just seems inescapable right now on the internet, 06:44.160 --> 06:45.660 and that's the final release 06:45.660 --> 06:48.600 of the remaining 3.5 million Epstein documents, 06:48.840 --> 06:50.960 and I know you've been talking about it online, 06:51.200 --> 06:53.180 I know Matt and myself have been talking about it 06:53.180 --> 06:55.180 and writing about it and tweeting about it, 06:55.180 --> 06:56.940 and there's a lot to this, 06:57.040 --> 07:00.000 and a lot of it does feel extremely sloppy, 07:00.000 --> 07:01.060 like it was rushed, 07:01.280 --> 07:02.860 which is kind of ironic, right, 07:02.860 --> 07:04.360 because the past few months, 07:04.500 --> 07:07.000 they've been telling us that they couldn't release 07:07.000 --> 07:09.760 these last 3 million that they've been sitting on 07:09.760 --> 07:12.120 because they were focused on protecting the victims. 07:12.980 --> 07:14.040 Well, lo and behold, you know, 07:14.100 --> 07:16.060 some of the victims' names and faces 07:16.060 --> 07:18.760 were actually playing his day in these files. 07:18.860 --> 07:20.000 They weren't redacted at all, 07:20.000 --> 07:21.840 and I should probably also mention 07:21.840 --> 07:24.820 that the final release was overdue as well. 07:24.920 --> 07:27.520 I think it was like 42 days or something like that, 07:27.680 --> 07:30.120 past due after they were actually supposed to be released 07:30.120 --> 07:33.360 through Thomas Massie's Epstein Transparency Act, 07:33.700 --> 07:36.300 so I'm not sure if you've speculated much on this, 07:36.360 --> 07:40.080 but the big question seems to be for everybody is why? 07:40.420 --> 07:41.120 Like, why now? 07:41.420 --> 07:44.400 Why did they finally decide to drop the last 3 million files? 07:44.740 --> 07:47.600 And this is after Trump's been calling it a Democrat hoax, 07:47.680 --> 07:51.320 and we know Kash Patel and Bongino telling everybody 07:51.320 --> 07:54.200 that, you know, Epstein didn't traffic victims to anybody, 07:54.440 --> 07:56.940 so totally bananas, but here we are. 07:57.180 --> 07:59.040 So, yeah, what are your thoughts as to, 07:59.040 --> 08:01.680 you know, why they would actually release them now? 08:02.280 --> 08:06.280 Well, I think Massie kind of put them up against the wall 08:06.280 --> 08:07.920 to some degree. 08:08.700 --> 08:12.280 I do think that Congress and congressmen 08:12.660 --> 08:14.280 don't have much power, 08:14.680 --> 08:18.220 but I think Massie really forced their hand in this. 08:18.800 --> 08:20.760 So that's, I think, why we're getting them, 08:21.080 --> 08:22.080 why it took so long. 08:22.180 --> 08:26.020 I think it's because it takes a while to launder stuff 08:26.020 --> 08:31.820 and to whitewash things and get certain people's names out of it 08:31.820 --> 08:36.740 and to okay with their handlers, the Massad and the CIA. 08:37.300 --> 08:41.260 And so I think that's why it has taken as long as it has. 08:41.960 --> 08:44.100 And has everything actually come out? 08:44.320 --> 08:45.320 Has it been the whole dump? 08:45.440 --> 08:46.720 I thought they're still holding back. 08:46.840 --> 08:49.280 I know they redacted a bunch of names, 08:49.420 --> 08:51.100 and that's really the whole point of the thing, 08:51.840 --> 08:53.640 but has everything come out? 08:53.980 --> 08:54.980 I'm not clear on that. 08:54.980 --> 08:56.180 That's what they're telling us. 08:56.340 --> 08:57.720 I'm kind of skeptical as well. 08:57.840 --> 08:58.940 I mean, who really knows, right? 08:59.040 --> 09:00.700 But that's what they're saying as of right now. 09:00.940 --> 09:02.880 I think Massie mentioned something about there's more 09:03.380 --> 09:06.200 that they haven't released, but I don't know. 09:06.640 --> 09:08.480 Oh, interesting. Matt, have you heard anything about that? 09:09.300 --> 09:10.120 Yeah, I have. 09:10.240 --> 09:11.580 And they also released a bunch, 09:11.780 --> 09:14.880 and then pulled them off the web really quickly. 09:16.960 --> 09:19.600 It's crazy what's going on here. 09:20.160 --> 09:21.700 Yeah, it seems Massie, man. 09:21.840 --> 09:23.560 I mean, there's somewhere in the files, 09:23.560 --> 09:26.860 Bill Gates apparently caught an STD from a Russian hooker. 09:27.000 --> 09:28.320 I don't know if you saw that, 09:28.500 --> 09:31.160 and he tried to secretly slip Melinda antibiotics, 09:31.840 --> 09:34.540 and oh man, yeah, there's, I think as you just mentioned, 09:34.680 --> 09:37.700 yeah, the DOJ just removed the unverified claims 09:37.700 --> 09:40.440 of accusing Trump of sexual assault of a minor 09:41.020 --> 09:42.800 in New Jersey decades ago, 09:42.860 --> 09:44.440 and they haven't explained why 09:44.440 --> 09:46.580 or if they're going to be, you know, 09:46.600 --> 09:49.740 returned to the public access, the archive there. 09:50.320 --> 09:53.100 And yeah, man, there's just a lot of stuff coming out. 09:53.100 --> 09:56.340 I think I even saw Epstein sent an email to Peter Thiel 09:56.340 --> 09:58.100 saying, I represent the Rothschilds, 09:58.700 --> 10:00.940 and that's kind of a big bombshell as well. 10:01.100 --> 10:03.920 And, you know, we've been covering Rothschild's information 10:03.920 --> 10:06.200 and news for years here at the Free Thought Project. 10:06.720 --> 10:08.200 So yeah, there is a lot. 10:08.360 --> 10:11.880 I know that even Ben Swan has been kind of recently vindicated. 10:12.440 --> 10:15.380 You know, he was the guy who broke open 10:15.380 --> 10:18.600 the whole pizza gate conspiracy to the mainstream. 10:19.040 --> 10:20.200 I think he was on a Fox, 10:20.200 --> 10:24.400 or excuse me, a CBS station as a news anchor at that point. 10:24.820 --> 10:26.640 And we've had him on the show a couple of times 10:26.640 --> 10:28.480 and we even talked about this the first time we interviewed him. 10:28.620 --> 10:31.000 But he basically was shunned. 10:31.060 --> 10:33.000 He basically was pushed out. 10:33.260 --> 10:35.680 They clamped down on his social media, 10:35.680 --> 10:37.640 said, you're not allowed to talk about this anymore. 10:37.800 --> 10:39.340 And eventually he was basically fired. 10:39.680 --> 10:41.900 But yeah, I mean, it's crazy. 10:42.060 --> 10:45.100 The word pizza is mentioned 911 times 10:45.100 --> 10:48.460 in this newest dump here. 10:48.460 --> 10:51.660 And there's also a grape soda and pizza parties 10:51.660 --> 10:55.880 and a bunch of other stuff that seems to be code word terminology. 10:56.780 --> 10:58.660 That's even been confirmed by, you know, 10:58.700 --> 11:00.620 self-proclaimed pedophiles and 4chan. 11:00.840 --> 11:03.540 So there is a lot here to be exploring. 11:04.160 --> 11:06.540 Is there anything that's kind of caught you off guard, Tim, 11:06.680 --> 11:08.360 or anything that kind of particularly stands out 11:08.360 --> 11:09.500 as far as what you've been seeing? 11:09.640 --> 11:11.240 I mean, there's a lot going on right now. 11:11.380 --> 11:13.100 A lot of people are uncovering a lot of different things. 11:13.420 --> 11:14.460 Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. 11:15.300 --> 11:19.240 Your post about that Epstein says he works for the Rothschilds 11:19.240 --> 11:24.320 was, I mean, is one of those things where it's like duh, 11:24.480 --> 11:26.260 but then they actually said it. 11:26.380 --> 11:27.660 He actually said it out loud. 11:27.920 --> 11:31.000 Well, not out loud in an email that I guess he never thought 11:31.000 --> 11:31.780 would see the light of day. 11:31.920 --> 11:33.920 But to me that was very telling. 11:34.620 --> 11:38.180 Another thing that's been interesting is the way social media 11:38.180 --> 11:40.120 and even some of the things in the Epstein file, 11:40.280 --> 11:42.900 I think Jeffrey even mentioned himself 11:43.540 --> 11:46.220 as kind of symbolically like the video game 11:46.220 --> 11:47.340 Five Nights at Freddy's. 11:47.340 --> 11:48.920 I don't know if any of y'all played that. 11:49.340 --> 11:51.780 My daughter, my oldest daughter, she loves those games. 11:52.120 --> 11:53.780 We even went and saw the movies. 11:54.520 --> 12:00.340 And that comparison, having known that fandom is like, 12:00.580 --> 12:01.960 whoa, this is deep. 12:02.260 --> 12:06.300 Because the game is you're basically a watchman 12:06.300 --> 12:08.740 at a like retired pizzeria. 12:09.080 --> 12:10.180 Pizza, of course. 12:10.180 --> 12:13.660 And there's these animatronics that you have to keep from 12:13.660 --> 12:14.200 killing you. 12:14.380 --> 12:18.200 And the animatronics are controlled by the puppet master, 12:18.360 --> 12:18.800 so to speak. 12:19.180 --> 12:23.180 And it's like Jeffrey Epstein is one of the animatronics. 12:23.980 --> 12:25.260 Yeah, he's been exposed. 12:25.820 --> 12:27.120 He's been broken down. 12:27.460 --> 12:31.620 But yet the whole system that was running the show, 12:31.800 --> 12:33.660 so to speak, is still alive and well. 12:34.140 --> 12:39.540 And it's just so much dark stuff in a way that I try 12:39.540 --> 12:43.640 to kind of deal with dark things and evil things 12:43.640 --> 12:44.980 as I write about them. 12:45.140 --> 12:47.700 And so I recently just finished a song. 12:48.180 --> 12:50.200 Well, not finished yet, but it's close. 12:51.220 --> 12:52.960 It's called Five Nights at Jeffries. 12:53.280 --> 12:53.840 It's dark. 12:54.200 --> 12:55.100 It's weird. 12:55.580 --> 12:58.500 But it's like, this is the only way I can process this stuff. 12:59.100 --> 13:03.400 It really kind of follows the metaphor that the symbolic 13:04.060 --> 13:06.700 nature of Five Nights at Freddy's the video game 13:06.700 --> 13:07.880 with what has happened. 13:07.880 --> 13:13.520 And I might release a little kind of snippet of it just to see 13:13.520 --> 13:16.200 if people might just be like, that's weird. 13:16.540 --> 13:17.440 And it is weird. 13:17.600 --> 13:21.440 But it's like, I don't know how else to process some of this 13:21.440 --> 13:24.220 craziness that you read in the Epstein files. 13:24.320 --> 13:24.940 It's just wild. 13:25.620 --> 13:26.960 Man, I can totally relate. 13:27.260 --> 13:29.980 I wrote an article about it yesterday. 13:30.660 --> 13:33.700 And just doing the research, it took me hours. 13:33.960 --> 13:36.620 And I had to read some of the most horrifying shit. 13:36.620 --> 13:38.840 I won't even say it out loud. 13:39.720 --> 13:44.000 Some of the emails and the FBI files of the witness testimonies 13:44.000 --> 13:44.820 from some of the victims. 13:45.560 --> 13:49.160 And people are claiming that this is just a Democratic hoax. 13:49.280 --> 13:52.040 They still have these hardcore MAGA supporters 13:52.040 --> 13:54.980 that are still claiming this is a Democrat hoax 13:54.980 --> 13:58.060 despite some of these files being decades old. 13:58.280 --> 14:01.520 And going back, they go back to way before Trump 14:01.520 --> 14:03.660 ever ran for election when Trump was a Democrat. 14:03.660 --> 14:06.440 This isn't something new that came out 14:06.440 --> 14:08.020 and they're using it to smear Trump. 14:08.140 --> 14:12.080 This is decades-long witness testimony 14:12.080 --> 14:16.140 and everything that's been going on in relation to Epstein. 14:16.860 --> 14:20.680 And it's like a psychological phenomenon 14:20.680 --> 14:22.580 that blows my mind. 14:22.700 --> 14:25.980 And it would be fascinating if it weren't just so fucking tragic. 14:26.800 --> 14:29.700 For years, MAGA, they were like, 14:29.800 --> 14:31.620 yeah, Trump's going to release the Epstein files. 14:31.760 --> 14:33.440 He's the one with the client list. 14:33.440 --> 14:35.160 This is going to bring all down to pedocracy. 14:35.860 --> 14:39.280 And then in 2026 and the late 2025, 14:39.980 --> 14:42.300 the reality is that Trump's own DOJ 14:42.300 --> 14:44.420 said that there were no fucking Epstein files. 14:45.140 --> 14:47.060 And then they fought to release them. 14:47.140 --> 14:48.520 They lied to everybody in their face 14:48.520 --> 14:51.180 and all these MAGA supporters still hold on 14:51.180 --> 14:55.400 and still support them despite some of this crazy stuff 14:55.400 --> 14:56.740 that are in these files. 14:57.080 --> 14:58.480 Like 13-year-old girl, 14:58.680 --> 15:00.880 like Trump forces himself on her 15:00.880 --> 15:04.420 and like a BJ, you know, 15:04.520 --> 15:06.540 and then beating her when she bit him. 15:07.640 --> 15:08.340 It's crazy. 15:08.580 --> 15:10.520 And people are like, oh, this Trump would never do that. 15:10.520 --> 15:12.840 But if you look at Trump's track record 15:12.840 --> 15:15.240 over the last couple of decades, 15:15.580 --> 15:19.320 the evidence of his predation, his sexual predation, 15:19.420 --> 15:20.620 it's out in the open. 15:21.480 --> 15:23.300 This isn't like a big leap to say 15:23.300 --> 15:25.340 that he would force himself on a 13-year-old girl. 15:25.500 --> 15:26.780 It's practically his brand. 15:27.440 --> 15:30.560 I mean, the dude admitted to breaking in and not breaking in 15:30.560 --> 15:33.460 and walking, allowed to be walking into dressing rooms 15:33.460 --> 15:35.300 and these beauty patents that he owned 15:35.300 --> 15:37.200 of teenagers that are naked, 15:37.600 --> 15:39.960 many of whom were children in there. 15:40.120 --> 15:42.640 And a lot of these children came out and testified later 15:42.640 --> 15:45.260 and sworn testimonies and talked about how, 15:45.560 --> 15:48.100 you know, Trump saw them naked in the dressing room 15:48.100 --> 15:49.580 and he bragged about that he could do it 15:49.580 --> 15:50.380 and no one could tell him anything 15:50.380 --> 15:51.720 because he owns a damn pageant. 15:52.320 --> 15:54.980 You know, he bragged about wanting to date a 10-year-old. 15:55.100 --> 15:57.840 This is all on record, all on video of him saying it. 15:57.840 --> 15:59.780 You know, he was, he was found liable 15:59.780 --> 16:01.260 for sex abuse in court in 2023. 16:01.660 --> 16:03.640 We don't even talk about that, you know. 16:03.720 --> 16:06.560 And it's just wild that we keep, 16:06.740 --> 16:09.340 that people keep calling this like a Democrat hoax 16:09.340 --> 16:13.940 and they refuse to see the horrible shit 16:13.940 --> 16:16.400 that this, that both the left and the right are doing. 16:16.780 --> 16:18.500 The left talking about the right's version 16:18.500 --> 16:20.500 of their blindness right now, 16:20.520 --> 16:22.140 but the left does the exact same thing. 16:22.560 --> 16:25.020 You know, they refuse, they just point all the, 16:25.120 --> 16:26.340 it's all the villains are on the right. 16:26.340 --> 16:27.960 You see how messed up the right is? 16:28.040 --> 16:28.700 They're the ones in this. 16:28.760 --> 16:29.840 It's just Trump and Elon. 16:30.220 --> 16:31.460 They don't see the Clinton shit. 16:31.540 --> 16:33.960 They don't see, you know, they don't see the Bill Gates stuff. 16:34.320 --> 16:37.520 Like the sec, the STD is like, that shit's hilarious to me. 16:37.620 --> 16:39.840 But, you know, like there's, there's a bunch more 16:40.340 --> 16:42.980 far darker shit involved than, than just Bill Clinton. 16:43.080 --> 16:45.260 I mean, than just Bill Gates getting a STD 16:45.260 --> 16:46.800 from a Russian hooker. 16:47.060 --> 16:51.100 But the blindness by these two parties that they, 16:51.180 --> 16:54.420 that they have and are unable to see 16:54.420 --> 16:57.300 the crimes of their own party is disheartening at, you know, 16:57.640 --> 16:58.140 at best. 16:58.480 --> 17:01.200 But so like, I guess my question, Tim, is like, 17:01.240 --> 17:03.200 how do we break through that, the propaganda 17:03.200 --> 17:05.740 that these people have and show them that their, 17:05.740 --> 17:09.740 their anti-establishment hero is basically a card-carrying 17:09.740 --> 17:12.640 member of the, the Satanic pedophile swamp 17:12.640 --> 17:15.440 that he claimed to was going to clean up, you know? 17:15.780 --> 17:18.420 I mean, is it even possible to reach these people who's, 17:18.900 --> 17:21.680 who's like, who their moral compass has just been 17:21.680 --> 17:24.620 so recalibrated to the partisan loyalty 17:24.620 --> 17:28.580 that they can look past these horrifying implications 17:28.580 --> 17:29.700 in the Epstein files? 17:30.080 --> 17:33.160 It definitely shows us how some of these dictators 17:33.720 --> 17:36.740 in history have come to power and people just don't care 17:36.740 --> 17:40.100 anything of the truth of who they really are. 17:40.280 --> 17:42.840 It's just, it's all about, it's their guy 17:42.840 --> 17:45.840 and they double down and, and even though people are lined 17:45.840 --> 17:49.500 up in boxcars and shot, it's just, it, it's sickening. 17:49.500 --> 17:55.900 But I think the best way to point out that it's all just 17:55.900 --> 17:59.460 a big joke and a show that it's a left, right, 18:00.620 --> 18:03.640 it's a nasty ass bird and the bird has two wings, 18:03.780 --> 18:06.300 but you can't separate one wing from the other. 18:06.460 --> 18:07.740 It's part of the same animal. 18:08.260 --> 18:12.360 And by pointing out the hypocrisy, I think is our best, 18:13.260 --> 18:15.460 our best strategy, but then it's like, 18:15.620 --> 18:17.620 these people don't even care about hypocrisy, 18:17.620 --> 18:22.580 but like pointing out that the way that the right used to be 18:22.580 --> 18:25.040 so against federal agents. 18:25.200 --> 18:27.880 I mean, you talk about the ATF and the right would about fight you 18:27.880 --> 18:28.740 and rightfully so. 18:29.140 --> 18:30.320 Second amendment go. 18:30.580 --> 18:31.160 Yeah, it's great. 18:31.280 --> 18:31.820 I love it. 18:31.860 --> 18:36.600 But then you fast forward to ICE and it's like federal agents 18:36.600 --> 18:37.820 are the greatest thing in the world. 18:38.100 --> 18:43.220 They're, they're, they're doing the duty of the state, 18:43.360 --> 18:45.380 you know, and we got to get these immigrants out 18:45.380 --> 18:47.160 and the immigrants are the biggest boogeyman ever 18:47.160 --> 18:51.920 and what, and then the left had the same mentality 18:51.920 --> 18:54.340 when Clinton was president that it was the boogeyman 18:54.340 --> 18:57.180 and really the whole idea of being anti-immigrant 18:57.180 --> 18:58.720 is a very leftist idea. 18:58.920 --> 19:02.520 It's a protectionist, my jobs and they're going to come 19:02.520 --> 19:05.120 steal my job and oh my God, you know, it's, 19:05.120 --> 19:09.100 that's a very like labor union protectionist mentality. 19:09.160 --> 19:12.080 It's not a freedom of movement free market mentality, 19:12.220 --> 19:14.360 but yet the right is all about it now 19:14.360 --> 19:16.920 and the left's not, which is kind of funny. 19:16.920 --> 19:20.860 And now you have the left who has historically been anti-gun 19:20.860 --> 19:22.940 and now they're talking about go out and buy guns, 19:23.060 --> 19:24.920 which is great, you know, 19:25.120 --> 19:28.140 I think more people should own guns and less feds, 19:28.140 --> 19:32.220 but I think pointing out the hypocrisy is the best, 19:32.420 --> 19:35.960 is our really maybe our only path forward 19:35.960 --> 19:39.920 is just saying, look, how can you be a part 19:39.920 --> 19:43.760 of this stupid pendulum swing every four to eight years? 19:43.760 --> 19:47.420 It's the same bullshit over and over again. 19:47.500 --> 19:50.380 Now your side's pro this, their side's against it. 19:50.460 --> 19:51.900 Now in four years it's going to switch. 19:54.640 --> 19:56.960 Other than trying to point out the hypocrisy, 19:57.020 --> 19:57.860 that's what I try to do. 19:58.240 --> 20:00.300 I've got this stupid little AI short that I do 20:00.300 --> 20:04.260 and it's stupid, but seem to like it. 20:04.500 --> 20:06.420 It's where I've got two characters, 20:06.560 --> 20:08.160 one's called Ash, they, them. 20:08.560 --> 20:10.900 She's just blue-haired, nose ring. 20:11.600 --> 20:13.760 Can't tell whether she's a female or a male, 20:14.020 --> 20:16.560 this AI character that I've voiced myself. 20:16.820 --> 20:18.300 And I kind of give you like, oh my God, 20:18.600 --> 20:20.120 I've got this like voice like this. 20:20.520 --> 20:21.960 And then I've got this other character. 20:22.200 --> 20:25.980 His name is Dale and he's from BFE, Arkansas. 20:26.520 --> 20:29.660 You know, he's an old man that trump, no trump, eyes. 20:30.060 --> 20:33.140 And so I try to point out the hypocrisy, 20:33.260 --> 20:35.160 the best I can, you know, 20:35.360 --> 20:37.980 with ways that I'm able to do, 20:38.140 --> 20:40.620 I like studio work, I like voice acting, 20:40.620 --> 20:41.380 I like singing. 20:41.800 --> 20:44.640 So that's my battle cry is just, 20:44.740 --> 20:47.080 hey, point out the hypocrisy any way you can. 20:47.820 --> 20:49.860 Yeah, man, I think that's a great strategy 20:49.860 --> 20:50.900 and I try to do that. 20:51.340 --> 20:52.620 You just hold up a mirror, right? 20:54.040 --> 20:56.880 And I mean, sometimes the brainwashing is just so strong 20:56.880 --> 20:58.120 it doesn't work, so I mean, 20:58.640 --> 21:00.880 somebody was talking about, I think Matt Wall, 21:01.040 --> 21:02.780 she's like, we see we got to get rid of these immigrants 21:02.780 --> 21:05.960 because most of them are child sexual predators, 21:06.500 --> 21:06.880 predators, you know, 21:06.900 --> 21:09.940 and it got like 40,000 likes on Twitter and all this 21:09.940 --> 21:13.120 and I know for a fact that that's not the case, right? 21:13.220 --> 21:15.020 Most of them don't have criminal records 21:15.020 --> 21:16.140 and if they do have criminal records, 21:16.220 --> 21:17.100 it has to do with immigration 21:17.100 --> 21:19.360 and most of them are nonviolent offenders. 21:19.700 --> 21:21.220 Most of the people that have been arrested already 21:21.220 --> 21:22.360 have no criminal record, 21:23.020 --> 21:25.440 but that doesn't matter to people who are blinded 21:25.440 --> 21:26.880 by their partisan sides, right? 21:27.140 --> 21:29.080 So I went to Matt Wall's post 21:29.080 --> 21:29.940 and I did the, you know, 21:30.020 --> 21:30.860 you can do the Hague Rock, 21:31.340 --> 21:32.860 which I absolutely love 21:32.860 --> 21:36.400 and man, it works. 21:36.400 --> 21:39.660 So I said, hey, Grock, explain to Matt Wall 21:39.660 --> 21:41.780 why he's wrong here and it did, 21:41.860 --> 21:43.320 it went, it did like a breakdown 21:43.320 --> 21:46.000 of the percentage of illegal immigrants 21:46.000 --> 21:49.620 who have been arrested for child sexual predation 21:49.960 --> 21:52.040 or whatever or any kind of sexual predation 21:52.520 --> 21:56.080 and it was like 0.001, right? 21:56.260 --> 21:58.860 Which is far less than the, 21:59.180 --> 22:01.340 like normal society of legal citizens 22:01.340 --> 22:02.680 and it showed them that 22:02.680 --> 22:04.380 and it brought Grock broke it down like, 22:04.380 --> 22:07.620 yes, this is not true based on the stats that we have now. 22:08.640 --> 22:11.340 And then some MAGA hat comes in there 22:11.340 --> 22:14.320 and he responds to that Grock post 22:14.320 --> 22:15.340 and like calls me out. 22:15.420 --> 22:17.340 He's like, Grock owned you, you see what? 22:17.620 --> 22:19.340 It showed you, you should have done that 22:19.340 --> 22:20.460 because Grock told the truth 22:20.460 --> 22:22.180 and it showed that you were wrong 22:22.180 --> 22:23.300 and I'm like, wait dude, 22:23.380 --> 22:25.640 did you read what Grock said? 22:26.660 --> 22:29.020 I'm like, the dude read completely different words 22:29.020 --> 22:31.380 and it blew my mind that this guy 22:32.360 --> 22:34.040 thought that he was, 22:34.200 --> 22:36.240 I was being owned by Grock 22:36.240 --> 22:37.960 telling Matt Walsy he was wrong 22:37.960 --> 22:40.520 but he couldn't see that it was saying that. 22:40.600 --> 22:42.680 That's what's so scary and crazy 22:42.680 --> 22:43.900 is that this guy is like, 22:44.040 --> 22:45.520 oh, it doesn't matter what it is. 22:45.580 --> 22:47.040 It could be a black square 22:47.040 --> 22:49.020 and that black square is gonna show, 22:49.340 --> 22:51.120 you know, whatever the fuck they wanna see, 22:51.200 --> 22:52.100 that's what they're gonna see is, 22:52.360 --> 22:53.500 it doesn't matter. 22:53.620 --> 22:55.600 It's like a version of reality 22:55.600 --> 22:57.900 that only exists inside their heads 22:57.900 --> 23:00.800 based on this like warfare 23:00.800 --> 23:03.160 that's been waged against them for so long, you know, 23:03.220 --> 23:04.860 that everybody's so enraged with 23:05.540 --> 23:07.780 everything that their party tells them 23:07.780 --> 23:08.540 to be enraged with, 23:08.560 --> 23:10.020 that they don't have time for critical thought 23:10.020 --> 23:12.540 or stepping back and examining the situation 23:12.540 --> 23:14.480 or applying empathy or any of that, man. 23:15.100 --> 23:17.320 And the Epstein files are a perfect example 23:17.320 --> 23:18.360 of all that, you know? 23:18.960 --> 23:20.940 And the Epstein files, like, 23:21.140 --> 23:22.720 we haven't gotten into that part yet, 23:22.820 --> 23:24.580 but this is like a, 23:24.580 --> 23:26.380 it's a symptom, right? 23:26.560 --> 23:27.660 The Epstein files we're seeing 23:27.660 --> 23:29.060 basically the writing on the wall. 23:29.060 --> 23:32.080 It's a historical pattern, you know, 23:32.140 --> 23:35.560 like all empires go down this same route, 23:35.720 --> 23:37.380 you know, and we're just now seeing this 23:37.380 --> 23:39.360 and it's being exposed to everybody, 23:39.420 --> 23:40.780 but it's like unchecked power 23:40.780 --> 23:43.200 every single time that happens, you know? 23:43.280 --> 23:44.640 It stops being more about 23:44.640 --> 23:47.120 mere financial greed of political influence, 23:47.180 --> 23:49.340 but it starts gravitating towards 23:50.020 --> 23:52.020 extreme forms of like, 23:52.880 --> 23:54.310 of say-to-massacism 23:54.720 --> 23:56.120 and violence 23:56.120 --> 23:59.320 and hurting the most innocent society. 23:59.520 --> 24:01.700 I mean, this has happened throughout history 24:01.700 --> 24:03.000 and it's documented, you know? 24:04.320 --> 24:05.980 People laugh when you say the term 24:05.980 --> 24:07.440 satanic child-abusing cult, 24:07.740 --> 24:09.840 but I mean, these people in the emails 24:09.840 --> 24:11.540 are talking about sacrificing children 24:11.540 --> 24:13.140 in front of Malik and joking about it. 24:13.200 --> 24:15.280 And that's satanic, dude. 24:15.920 --> 24:17.460 I mean, like, this, 24:17.620 --> 24:18.980 and we have this throughout history. 24:19.320 --> 24:20.620 I mean, everybody brings up Rome, 24:20.680 --> 24:21.540 but that's an easy one. 24:22.020 --> 24:23.860 You know, they had the hunting grounds 24:23.860 --> 24:26.780 where children were hunted 24:26.780 --> 24:29.400 and the ruling class literally believes 24:29.400 --> 24:30.920 that they're above the law 24:30.920 --> 24:33.520 and they begin to view the rest of the humans 24:33.520 --> 24:35.140 below them as cattle 24:35.140 --> 24:36.600 to be used up. 24:36.820 --> 24:38.860 And I think that that's what these Epstein files show 24:38.860 --> 24:41.140 and the fact that people only see it 24:41.140 --> 24:42.960 as from a left or a right view is pretty depressing. 24:43.080 --> 24:45.080 I think they could serve as a catalyst 24:45.080 --> 24:47.240 to wake society up versus, you know, 24:47.360 --> 24:49.000 more catalyst for divide 24:49.000 --> 24:49.980 and that sucks. 24:50.620 --> 24:52.620 But, you know, it's not an anomaly. 24:53.560 --> 24:55.340 When one group of people, you know, 24:55.460 --> 24:57.060 holds the monopoly on use of force, 24:58.320 --> 24:59.740 their moral compass, 25:00.440 --> 25:02.820 it doesn't even point anymore, you know, 25:02.940 --> 25:03.600 it just breaks. 25:05.120 --> 25:07.200 It's not just a Trump problem 25:07.200 --> 25:08.940 or Clinton problem or a left problem 25:08.940 --> 25:10.060 or a right problem, right? 25:10.180 --> 25:12.100 This is the nature of the empire, 25:12.100 --> 25:13.060 like I just said. 25:13.120 --> 25:16.420 And it's final, most parasitic stage 25:16.420 --> 25:17.680 and it's collapsing 25:17.680 --> 25:21.740 and looking at these horrifying details surface, you know, 25:21.740 --> 25:23.680 like, how do we use this moment 25:23.680 --> 25:25.620 to move the conversation 25:25.620 --> 25:28.040 from which politician is worse, 25:28.300 --> 25:30.000 you know, to the fundamental question 25:30.000 --> 25:31.840 of why are we allowing 25:31.840 --> 25:33.460 anyone to have 25:33.460 --> 25:35.260 this kind of unchecked power 25:35.260 --> 25:36.500 in the frickin' first place? 25:37.040 --> 25:38.760 How do we convince the public that 25:38.760 --> 25:40.720 the only way to protect our children 25:40.720 --> 25:42.980 is to dismantle this pedestal 25:42.980 --> 25:45.260 that breeds this disgusting, 25:45.260 --> 25:47.160 vile predation 25:47.540 --> 25:48.400 in the first place? 25:49.340 --> 25:49.820 Yeah. 25:50.380 --> 25:51.660 One of my strategies, 25:52.080 --> 25:53.000 because I'm a Christian 25:53.520 --> 25:55.180 and I have a song on the album 25:55.180 --> 25:56.980 that says No King But Christ 25:56.980 --> 26:00.180 back when I wrote that when Candice Owens, 26:00.400 --> 26:02.380 which I'm not endorsing her, 26:02.680 --> 26:03.940 but she 26:04.440 --> 26:06.060 would use that hashtag 26:06.060 --> 26:07.320 on Twitter and different things 26:07.320 --> 26:10.000 and she got accused of being an anti-Semitic 26:10.000 --> 26:12.420 because of the hashtag No King But Christ 26:12.420 --> 26:14.080 and I was like, okay, this is stupid. 26:14.600 --> 26:15.760 I'm gonna make a song 26:15.760 --> 26:17.360 that's titled No King But Christ. 26:17.700 --> 26:20.040 But anyway, I think as a Christian, 26:20.480 --> 26:21.740 now, I know everybody 26:21.740 --> 26:22.980 in the audience is probably not Christian, 26:23.160 --> 26:24.640 but I think probably a lot are 26:25.960 --> 26:27.480 and if we can get, 26:28.060 --> 26:29.480 if I can get 26:29.480 --> 26:31.340 Christian people to realize 26:32.640 --> 26:34.100 that the state 26:34.100 --> 26:35.380 is not just a mafia, 26:35.540 --> 26:36.940 it is an evil cabal 26:36.940 --> 26:40.080 of ritualistic sacrifice 26:40.080 --> 26:41.880 and a cult 26:41.880 --> 26:44.220 and, you know, all these things 26:45.060 --> 26:46.540 sometimes I think Christians 26:46.540 --> 26:47.540 are more 26:48.090 --> 26:50.180 out to come out of the 26:50.180 --> 26:52.080 statism through Jesus 26:52.080 --> 26:54.780 and at least in my life 26:54.780 --> 26:55.760 I have seen that 26:55.760 --> 26:58.180 and the Super Bowl's coming up 26:58.180 --> 26:59.800 and we, you know, the right 26:59.800 --> 27:02.180 has their own alternative Super Bowl 27:02.180 --> 27:04.240 show and which is kind of funny 27:04.240 --> 27:05.160 but 27:05.900 --> 27:08.220 contrast those two things, they don't want 27:08.220 --> 27:10.000 the regular Super Bowl show 27:10.000 --> 27:10.980 because they say it's a cult 27:11.500 --> 27:13.140 it's, you know, it's 27:13.140 --> 27:14.960 New World Order, it's Illuminati 27:14.960 --> 27:16.920 it's got all these different symbolism 27:16.920 --> 27:19.220 and which I agree to some extent 27:19.220 --> 27:20.880 I think maybe they know it's a lower board 27:20.880 --> 27:22.860 but then they do their alternative 27:22.860 --> 27:24.440 and it's gonna be nothing but 27:24.980 --> 27:26.760 a spank bank 27:26.760 --> 27:29.100 of militarism 27:29.920 --> 27:30.440 empire 27:32.340 --> 27:34.600 you name it, it's patriotism 27:34.600 --> 27:35.760 you know, all these things 27:36.860 --> 27:37.900 that's nationalistic 27:37.900 --> 27:39.760 and Christians will go cheer for that 27:39.760 --> 27:41.160 and I'm like, if we can 27:41.900 --> 27:43.640 let Christians realize that hey 27:43.640 --> 27:46.340 what you hate about the state 27:47.120 --> 27:47.820 is the 27:47.820 --> 27:49.780 actual essence of the state 27:49.780 --> 27:51.700 and so maybe you should come out 27:51.700 --> 27:53.740 from the horror Babylon, come out from 27:53.740 --> 27:54.820 the evil empire 27:54.820 --> 27:57.320 and focus on Christ and 27:57.860 --> 27:59.900 you know, no king but 27:59.900 --> 28:00.760 Christ, that means 28:00.760 --> 28:03.440 my hope is in Christ, it's not in 28:03.440 --> 28:05.280 any state, it's not in any empire 28:05.280 --> 28:07.420 and the church has just 28:07.420 --> 28:08.720 been co-opted and 28:09.180 --> 28:10.940 just sucked in by the state 28:10.940 --> 28:13.440 and they just focus so much 28:13.440 --> 28:15.160 of their time and their energy on getting 28:15.160 --> 28:17.200 elected and getting these Republicans in office 28:17.200 --> 28:18.220 and what has it done? 28:19.340 --> 28:21.240 I've heard evangelicals 28:21.240 --> 28:22.740 talk about supporting Republicans 28:22.740 --> 28:24.680 since I was in the cradle 28:25.280 --> 28:27.440 and it's done nothing 28:27.440 --> 28:29.320 it's done nothing for anybody 28:29.320 --> 28:30.720 except make the state 28:31.260 --> 28:33.200 grow and so we have to kind 28:33.200 --> 28:35.140 of shift our focus and realize 28:35.140 --> 28:37.180 that it is the state that is the enemy 28:37.180 --> 28:38.960 and we need to pull ourselves 28:39.580 --> 28:40.720 out of that structure 28:40.720 --> 28:42.980 and I don't mean that we have to 28:42.980 --> 28:44.580 just put our heads in the sand but 28:45.200 --> 28:45.760 I think 28:46.540 --> 28:47.560 non-violent 28:48.180 --> 28:50.280 just pulling back from the system 28:50.280 --> 28:52.880 homeschooling your kids, homesteading 28:52.880 --> 28:54.520 if you can move out in the country 28:54.520 --> 28:55.340 and get some land 28:56.380 --> 28:58.020 engaging in black markets 28:58.020 --> 29:00.780 I think those are the white pill 29:00.780 --> 29:02.760 things that we can do 29:02.760 --> 29:04.800 as libertarians 29:04.800 --> 29:05.860 as Christians 29:05.860 --> 29:08.440 that might actually 29:08.440 --> 29:10.780 work because if enough people are like 29:10.780 --> 29:12.720 they just don't see the 29:12.720 --> 29:13.180 legitimacy 29:13.180 --> 29:15.460 of the state 29:15.460 --> 29:17.460 then what can they really do? 29:17.940 --> 29:19.980 they're talking about a tax revolt and I'm like great 29:19.980 --> 29:22.840 we need to have more talk of this thing 29:23.580 --> 29:24.780 along these lines 29:24.780 --> 29:26.680 and so that's kind of where 29:27.340 --> 29:28.140 I am 29:28.140 --> 29:30.160 from a spiritual standpoint 29:30.160 --> 29:31.800 but also from a political standpoint 29:31.800 --> 29:34.040 if we can just let people realize 29:34.040 --> 29:35.560 or show people 29:36.120 --> 29:38.280 that what they hate about the 29:38.280 --> 29:40.180 state is the actual 29:40.180 --> 29:41.940 state and there's no changing that 29:41.940 --> 29:44.040 it's that way by design 29:44.040 --> 29:46.060 what you hate about it is set up 29:46.060 --> 29:47.000 by design 29:47.000 --> 29:50.120 it cannot exist unless it steals 29:50.120 --> 29:50.580 first 29:53.000 --> 29:54.160 legitimizes murder 29:54.160 --> 29:56.340 it legitimizes rape 29:56.340 --> 29:58.320 as we're seeing with the Epstein files 29:58.320 --> 30:00.300 and that is what it is 30:00.300 --> 30:02.280 it's not that hey we need to go save it 30:02.280 --> 30:03.720 it's this is what it 30:04.340 --> 30:06.800 is supposed to be 30:06.800 --> 30:08.420 because when your foundation 30:08.420 --> 30:10.540 is I got a still to exist 30:10.540 --> 30:12.300 there's no other way to go 30:12.300 --> 30:13.880 but just become 30:13.880 --> 30:15.560 an evil empire like you said 30:15.560 --> 30:17.840 and I think we're witnessing that downfall 30:17.840 --> 30:19.240 as we speak 30:19.240 --> 30:22.280 well said Tim and yes exactly 30:22.280 --> 30:24.160 man this two-party duopoly 30:24.160 --> 30:25.840 has been one of the greatest 30:25.840 --> 30:27.960 psyops of all time to really 30:27.960 --> 30:29.800 keep people fighting and at each other's 30:29.800 --> 30:31.700 throats I mean I don't think 30:31.700 --> 30:33.120 there's any better example than 30:33.880 --> 30:35.260 anytime you happen to 30:35.260 --> 30:37.360 correctly factually criticize 30:37.360 --> 30:39.800 something about Trump like him being in these 30:39.800 --> 30:41.460 Epstein files and then 30:42.000 --> 30:43.620 the next thing you know you're being called 30:43.620 --> 30:45.240 a dumbass liberal 30:45.240 --> 30:46.840 libtard or whatever you know 30:46.840 --> 30:49.500 there seems to be zero room 30:49.500 --> 30:51.180 for nuance in the 30:51.180 --> 30:52.380 the two-party mentality 30:53.080 --> 30:54.980 and it works excellently for keeping 30:54.980 --> 30:56.860 people divided you think people would see 30:56.860 --> 30:58.880 past that right you think eventually 30:58.880 --> 31:00.780 they would kind of see the writing on the wall 31:00.780 --> 31:03.060 it does feel like we need a new 31:04.020 --> 31:04.980 enlightenment period 31:04.980 --> 31:06.480 almost and I think we 31:06.480 --> 31:09.140 felt like we were getting close to that 31:09.140 --> 31:10.220 with the 31:11.020 --> 31:12.660 invention of social media 31:12.660 --> 31:14.820 and when you know it was still kind of new 31:14.820 --> 31:17.140 and you know the years that we first started 31:17.140 --> 31:19.160 doing all this we really did think 31:19.160 --> 31:20.800 that there was going to be 31:20.800 --> 31:23.240 an awakening and we thought that people 31:23.240 --> 31:25.040 if they just had the right information 31:25.040 --> 31:27.180 they could potentially see past 31:27.180 --> 31:29.580 a lot of this propaganda and indoctrination 31:29.580 --> 31:31.020 but it turns out 31:31.020 --> 31:33.060 it goes way deeper than that it turns out that 31:33.060 --> 31:35.420 not only is a lot of this dogmatic 31:35.420 --> 31:37.260 and just almost cult like 31:37.260 --> 31:38.500 mentality and behavior 31:38.940 --> 31:41.100 when it comes to the political tribalism but 31:41.100 --> 31:43.020 it goes deeper than that we see how 31:43.020 --> 31:45.000 the ruling class utilizes 31:45.000 --> 31:47.260 the social media to continually 31:47.260 --> 31:49.360 pose this against each other and how 31:49.360 --> 31:51.320 they continue to implement 31:51.320 --> 31:53.140 these fear-based propaganda 31:53.140 --> 31:55.460 and you know even something like 31:55.460 --> 31:57.820 what we saw and rightfully so 31:57.820 --> 31:58.980 we're talking about you know the right 31:58.980 --> 32:01.320 being up in arms about this immigration crisis 32:01.320 --> 32:03.360 well yeah we just saw four years 32:03.360 --> 32:05.280 of the Biden administration letting millions 32:05.280 --> 32:07.360 and millions of illegal immigrants in so 32:07.360 --> 32:08.180 there is 32:09.420 --> 32:11.080 reason for some of this 32:11.080 --> 32:13.360 legitimately they are stoking the fires 32:13.980 --> 32:15.640 it does need to be 32:15.640 --> 32:17.580 some type of shift in a 32:17.580 --> 32:19.360 separate direction away from the state 32:19.360 --> 32:21.620 I don't know if I'm 32:21.620 --> 32:23.520 completely hopeful that 32:23.520 --> 32:25.420 that will ever happen because even 32:25.420 --> 32:27.360 something like what we're seeing right now 32:27.360 --> 32:29.500 with the release of these Epstein 32:29.500 --> 32:31.520 files I almost feel like it could 32:31.520 --> 32:33.280 be something that 32:33.280 --> 32:35.180 points to even a bigger agenda 32:35.180 --> 32:37.780 it does feel like this could possibly 32:37.780 --> 32:39.480 be some type of larger 32:39.480 --> 32:41.360 form of a problem reaction solution 32:41.360 --> 32:43.580 going on because what 32:43.580 --> 32:45.740 they're doing right now obviously 32:45.740 --> 32:47.640 furtherly digitalizes 32:47.640 --> 32:49.480 the current form of the state right 32:49.480 --> 32:51.560 like it's discrediting the 32:51.560 --> 32:53.460 political class it feels like 32:53.460 --> 32:55.160 they're intentionally trying to 32:55.160 --> 32:57.660 have this controlled demolition almost 32:57.660 --> 32:59.540 like what they've done with destroying the 32:59.540 --> 33:01.680 dollar to usher in the CBDC 33:01.680 --> 33:03.360 and stablecoins right so 33:03.360 --> 33:05.520 I think at the age of information most 33:05.520 --> 33:06.740 people know that the government is 33:06.740 --> 33:09.020 compromised it is corrupt so 33:09.020 --> 33:11.320 you know the question is no longer I just 33:11.320 --> 33:13.180 tweeted about this so it's fresh on my mind but 33:13.180 --> 33:15.160 the question is no longer like you know do you know 33:15.160 --> 33:17.060 how corrupt the government is like how 33:17.060 --> 33:18.940 captured it's been from the 33:18.940 --> 33:20.900 corporate class but it's like 33:20.900 --> 33:23.200 why do we keep consenting and 33:23.200 --> 33:25.320 so I do feel like if there was 33:25.320 --> 33:27.240 an agenda to 33:27.240 --> 33:29.360 potentially replace the 33:29.360 --> 33:31.100 the form of government the form of the state 33:31.100 --> 33:33.520 we have now I would be pointing to 33:33.520 --> 33:34.660 the AI 33:35.320 --> 33:36.980 superclass right I mean the algorithms 33:36.980 --> 33:38.820 the analyzation that 33:38.820 --> 33:40.720 the AI could do I mean we already 33:40.720 --> 33:42.220 see that this is happening in a 33:42.720 --> 33:44.700 state like Albania where they've 33:44.700 --> 33:46.100 taken on AI minister 33:46.580 --> 33:48.520 I do feel like this could be a deliberate 33:48.520 --> 33:50.660 thought out strategy to usher 33:50.660 --> 33:52.480 in a agenda 2030 33:52.480 --> 33:54.380 mindset for the people because 33:54.380 --> 33:56.540 it's almost like well we've become 33:56.540 --> 33:57.080 so 33:57.980 --> 34:00.140 exhausted and frustrated by the endless 34:00.140 --> 34:02.340 corruption that the humans apparently 34:02.340 --> 34:04.320 can't work their way out of they 34:04.320 --> 34:06.540 apparently can't change the system so 34:06.540 --> 34:08.680 maybe we do need the technocrats to come 34:08.680 --> 34:10.680 in and you know shift things 34:10.680 --> 34:12.380 in a different direction and produce 34:12.380 --> 34:14.600 this type of society where things might 34:14.600 --> 34:16.440 actually be fair because there's a computer 34:16.440 --> 34:18.760 controlling it. I think you make a great 34:18.760 --> 34:19.880 point and from a Christian 34:21.020 --> 34:21.540 perspective 34:22.180 --> 34:24.320 it's an anarchist Christian perspective 34:24.320 --> 34:26.600 it's like that screams 34:26.600 --> 34:28.720 to me what you're saying as far as using 34:28.720 --> 34:29.060 AI 34:30.100 --> 34:32.600 and you're right like the state 34:32.600 --> 34:34.600 always loves to use 34:34.600 --> 34:36.780 anything any kind of awakening that might be 34:36.780 --> 34:38.440 legit and then 34:38.440 --> 34:40.520 they turn it on his head and 34:40.520 --> 34:42.460 put the solution is always 34:42.460 --> 34:44.220 more state for them 34:44.220 --> 34:46.440 so like you had to occupy 34:46.440 --> 34:48.680 Wall Street and the tea party 34:48.680 --> 34:49.940 and they were both 34:50.540 --> 34:52.140 right on a lot of stuff 34:52.140 --> 34:54.780 but they couldn't get together they hated 34:54.780 --> 34:56.440 each other but if that would have ever 34:56.440 --> 34:58.580 they ever got together wow I mean 34:58.580 --> 35:00.300 imagine what would have happened 35:00.300 --> 35:02.760 possibly but the state made it so 35:02.760 --> 35:05.080 that they could never get together and so their solution 35:05.080 --> 35:06.140 for both 35:06.650 --> 35:09.000 occupy Wall Street more state we need more regulation 35:09.000 --> 35:10.720 tea party we need more 35:10.720 --> 35:12.440 police state we need law and order 35:12.440 --> 35:14.220 and so it didn't matter 35:14.760 --> 35:16.720 what their solution was 35:16.720 --> 35:18.640 because they co-opted 35:18.640 --> 35:20.720 each movement and made their 35:20.720 --> 35:22.740 solution more state and so I think 35:22.740 --> 35:24.100 with AI it could be 35:24.510 --> 35:26.840 the same thing as far as with Epstein 35:26.840 --> 35:28.800 and revealing that what the state 35:28.800 --> 35:30.820 really is and seeing the 35:30.820 --> 35:32.780 wizard behind the curtain 35:32.780 --> 35:34.800 so to speak of like a Wizard of Oz type 35:34.800 --> 35:36.440 some symbolic 35:36.440 --> 35:38.680 nature then 35:38.680 --> 35:40.340 hey yeah well here's the solution 35:41.600 --> 35:43.060 AI and it's like 35:43.060 --> 35:44.460 it wouldn't be human 35:45.020 --> 35:46.880 but it would be a way to have law 35:46.880 --> 35:48.360 and order and it would be a way to 35:48.360 --> 35:50.580 regulate it would be it would check 35:50.580 --> 35:52.980 all these boxes for all these different parties 35:52.980 --> 35:54.680 but it would still be more 35:54.680 --> 35:56.560 state so instead of people 35:56.560 --> 35:58.440 realizing the state is the problem 35:58.440 --> 36:00.120 it's it's 36:00.120 --> 36:02.160 coercion and and putting guns to people 36:02.160 --> 36:04.220 had had to fund things 36:04.220 --> 36:06.080 that should be voluntarily funded 36:06.080 --> 36:08.740 yeah we can't go there so yeah 36:08.740 --> 36:10.640 again the solution 36:10.640 --> 36:12.160 is more state but I think it's more 36:12.160 --> 36:14.400 diabolical with the AI 36:14.400 --> 36:16.640 and you see people like 36:16.640 --> 36:17.700 JD Vance 36:18.180 --> 36:20.240 who is nothing more than 36:20.240 --> 36:22.300 a plant by the big tech 36:22.300 --> 36:24.220 people I mean hey they basically 36:24.220 --> 36:25.360 pushed him 36:26.040 --> 36:27.320 on Donald Trump 36:27.320 --> 36:29.340 I'm not I'm not defending Donald Trump I think he's the 36:29.340 --> 36:31.400 biggest piece of shit that's ever lived 36:31.400 --> 36:33.400 but JD Vance was pushed 36:33.400 --> 36:34.520 on Donald Trump 36:34.520 --> 36:37.160 by all these tech people and 36:37.680 --> 36:39.020 I think it's for a purpose 36:39.020 --> 36:41.180 one of my crazy conspiracies and I won't 36:41.180 --> 36:43.180 even necessarily say it on here but I have 36:43.180 --> 36:45.240 a crazy conspiracy of what possibly could 36:45.240 --> 36:46.560 happen next 36:46.560 --> 36:49.200 with Trump being taken out of the way 36:49.200 --> 36:51.220 and JD Vance gets the presidency 36:51.220 --> 36:53.560 and then he just he gets to run 36:53.560 --> 36:55.080 as president 36:55.080 --> 36:57.240 the next election but I mean 36:57.240 --> 36:59.220 that's just me being crazy 36:59.220 --> 37:01.240 I like to be crazy 37:01.240 --> 37:03.800 but I definitely see this 37:03.800 --> 37:05.300 AI thing as being something that could 37:05.300 --> 37:07.920 potentially be just horrible 37:08.820 --> 37:09.500 and 37:09.500 --> 37:11.520 from a biblical perspective in the 37:11.520 --> 37:13.300 book of Revelation it mentions 37:13.300 --> 37:15.240 this basically the statue 37:15.240 --> 37:17.160 well or in Daniel too 37:17.160 --> 37:18.680 this statue 37:18.680 --> 37:20.940 that comes to life 37:20.940 --> 37:22.100 and speaks 37:23.100 --> 37:24.860 well if somebody 37:24.860 --> 37:26.660 like John or Daniel 37:26.660 --> 37:28.980 was seeing the future of these 37:28.980 --> 37:31.040 prophetic things how would they describe 37:31.040 --> 37:32.060 a robot a 37:33.400 --> 37:34.800 what's the word android 37:34.800 --> 37:36.540 you know how would they describe that 37:36.540 --> 37:38.120 a statue it's not human 37:38.120 --> 37:40.600 but it's given life 37:40.600 --> 37:42.320 and it speaks 37:42.640 --> 37:44.740 I like I don't know some of these things 37:44.740 --> 37:46.580 just really clicked with me as far as AI 37:46.580 --> 37:48.280 goes and reading scripture 37:48.280 --> 37:50.200 it's like you know we could 37:50.200 --> 37:52.180 we could definitely be going there and what is this 37:52.180 --> 37:54.320 AI well this this statue 37:54.320 --> 37:56.300 that is given life and speaks 37:56.300 --> 37:57.980 these great things 37:57.980 --> 38:00.080 what does it do it makes everybody 38:00.080 --> 38:02.300 take the mark so they can't buy 38:02.300 --> 38:04.040 or sell without the mark 38:04.720 --> 38:06.260 blockchain you know we could 38:06.260 --> 38:07.640 go a lot of different areas there but 38:08.170 --> 38:10.020 I don't want to go to crazy town 38:10.020 --> 38:11.840 I live there most of the time 38:11.840 --> 38:14.600 I mean it's 38:14.600 --> 38:16.360 no different from a lot of the stuff that we 38:16.360 --> 38:17.880 talk about with the digital IDs 38:17.880 --> 38:20.400 and the social credit scores 38:20.400 --> 38:22.180 of 15 minute cities I mean all these 38:22.180 --> 38:24.240 things and it does feel like there has been 38:24.240 --> 38:26.280 a bigger agenda in place and just 38:26.280 --> 38:27.320 now I mean even 38:28.080 --> 38:30.100 let's be honest this has been something that's been 38:30.100 --> 38:32.100 building up for a while but we're seeing it 38:32.100 --> 38:33.980 really come to fruition now through the 38:33.980 --> 38:35.600 Trump administration and 38:36.380 --> 38:38.200 I think I heard something along 38:38.200 --> 38:39.880 the lines of it was either 38:39.880 --> 38:42.260 you know techno fascism with very 38:42.260 --> 38:44.120 little resistance with Trump or 38:44.120 --> 38:46.300 techno fascism with actual resistance 38:46.300 --> 38:48.120 and Kamala was elected so 38:48.120 --> 38:49.580 obviously we got 38:49.860 --> 38:52.220 the mega very little resistance 38:52.220 --> 38:54.380 version which is ironic because 38:54.380 --> 38:56.100 during the covid years oh boy 38:56.100 --> 38:58.060 were they up against the digital IDs 38:58.060 --> 39:00.160 the covid tracing apps I mean 39:00.160 --> 39:02.220 all those things they were adamantly against 39:02.220 --> 39:03.820 and now you put the 39:03.820 --> 39:06.140 daddy trump flavor spin on it 39:06.140 --> 39:08.220 and well guess what everybody's 39:08.220 --> 39:09.940 totally on board and especially 39:09.940 --> 39:11.940 when it comes to the AI stuff I mean we're seeing 39:11.940 --> 39:14.260 the AI advanced very rapidly 39:14.260 --> 39:15.500 maybe not 39:15.500 --> 39:17.540 you know anywhere near the sky net levels 39:17.540 --> 39:19.640 which you know some of the conspiracy theorists 39:19.640 --> 39:21.840 and paranoid heads are surrounding us 39:21.840 --> 39:23.080 really like to dwell on 39:23.080 --> 39:25.280 and we actually touched on that in our last 39:25.280 --> 39:26.940 podcast with Dylan Schmidt but 39:26.940 --> 39:29.680 it is moving very quickly we're seeing things 39:29.680 --> 39:31.260 like as I mentioned the AI 39:31.260 --> 39:33.160 minister in Albania but 39:33.160 --> 39:35.460 beyond that more at the consumer level right 39:35.460 --> 39:37.680 like we're seeing AI friends 39:37.680 --> 39:39.560 that are popping up that companies that 39:39.560 --> 39:41.600 you know now you can have an AI chat bot 39:41.600 --> 39:43.360 buddy that you can chat to all day long 39:43.360 --> 39:44.660 and AI therapists 39:45.360 --> 39:47.400 that this whole world is expanding 39:47.400 --> 39:48.980 very quickly AI music 39:49.560 --> 39:51.700 and it's almost viewed as being 39:51.700 --> 39:53.440 this objective thing and 39:53.440 --> 39:55.720 as we know and I think a lot of people 39:55.720 --> 39:57.700 know it's all about the inputs right like 39:57.700 --> 39:59.420 who are programming the AI 39:59.420 --> 40:01.580 how are they creating any type of 40:01.580 --> 40:03.400 bias or objectivity is there 40:03.400 --> 40:05.580 objectivity a lot of times it always 40:05.580 --> 40:07.600 seems to align straight up 40:07.600 --> 40:09.560 with the mainstream establishment 40:09.560 --> 40:11.600 status quo surprisingly enough 40:11.600 --> 40:13.120 but if you think 40:13.120 --> 40:15.540 the indoctrination process is bad 40:15.540 --> 40:17.700 now if you think the propaganda is bad 40:17.700 --> 40:19.140 now just wait until AI 40:19.140 --> 40:21.680 is the one producing it and everybody believes 40:21.680 --> 40:23.480 AI and thinks that AI is 40:23.480 --> 40:25.640 God sent so it does 40:25.640 --> 40:27.800 seem concerning to me and I think 40:27.800 --> 40:29.620 one way that could be a tall 40:29.620 --> 40:31.380 tail way to analyze this 40:31.380 --> 40:33.620 if there is a bigger agenda going on with 40:33.620 --> 40:35.420 these Epstein files and 40:35.420 --> 40:37.400 they're finally being released now is 40:37.400 --> 40:39.600 will anybody actually be prosecuted 40:39.600 --> 40:41.220 you know will there be any 40:41.220 --> 40:43.300 types of arrests we didn't 40:43.300 --> 40:45.360 see any deep state arrest we didn't see 40:45.360 --> 40:47.040 any doge revelation arrests 40:47.040 --> 40:49.340 how Trump didn't even lock up Hillary 40:49.340 --> 40:50.980 after campaigning on it so 40:50.980 --> 40:53.540 will we actually see any arrests if not 40:53.540 --> 40:55.300 then there's probably a good chance 40:55.300 --> 40:56.760 that this is part of the agenda 40:57.280 --> 40:59.180 there seems to be zero energy 40:59.180 --> 41:01.040 and effort being towards any type of 41:01.040 --> 41:03.180 accountability they'll definitely go after 41:03.180 --> 41:06.100 the protesters and all the alleged anti-semites 41:06.100 --> 41:06.700 right but 41:07.340 --> 41:09.220 couldn't care less about what's going on 41:09.220 --> 41:11.220 with the ruling class elites 41:11.220 --> 41:13.080 and I mean some of these emails 41:13.080 --> 41:15.220 as you guys have mentioned it just made me sick to my 41:15.220 --> 41:17.220 stomach and some of them are being redacted 41:17.700 --> 41:19.120 and the names and it 41:19.120 --> 41:20.880 doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but 41:21.340 --> 41:23.100 we are at the 42 minute mark 41:23.100 --> 41:25.100 now Tim and as we mentioned 41:25.100 --> 41:27.120 in the beginning of the intro we could probably 41:27.120 --> 41:28.840 spend all day talking about this stuff 41:28.840 --> 41:30.940 and get into the ICE conversation 41:30.940 --> 41:31.860 and the left right 41:32.420 --> 41:34.540 paradigm here but I did want to 41:34.540 --> 41:36.840 talk a little bit about you and get to know 41:36.840 --> 41:38.420 you a little bit better and 41:38.420 --> 41:39.780 your story so 41:39.780 --> 41:42.460 I know that you've talked already about your journey 41:42.460 --> 41:44.840 from conservative politics to a blend 41:44.840 --> 41:46.740 of like this Christian anarchism 41:46.740 --> 41:48.260 and libertarianism 41:48.940 --> 41:50.240 what made you get into all this 41:50.240 --> 41:52.120 and like where did this start 41:52.120 --> 41:54.400 I mean people like me could say Ron Paul 41:54.400 --> 41:56.760 was a big part of my trajectory into this world 41:56.760 --> 41:59.000 but your story seems a little more rooted 41:59.000 --> 42:01.000 and like faith and personal experience 42:01.000 --> 42:02.520 so was there like a specific 42:02.520 --> 42:04.740 aha moment that really pushed you 42:04.740 --> 42:07.060 from statism into anarchism 42:07.600 --> 42:08.380 voluntarism and 42:08.800 --> 42:10.880 like how did those influences come together and maybe 42:10.880 --> 42:12.940 after this we could get into more of the music side of things 42:12.940 --> 42:15.100 yeah definitely was raised 42:15.100 --> 42:16.680 in a Christian family 42:16.680 --> 42:18.400 my dad was a pastor 42:19.000 --> 42:20.780 I actually became a music minister 42:21.720 --> 42:22.620 and so 42:22.620 --> 42:24.760 music and faith has always been 42:24.760 --> 42:27.180 important to me but very similar 42:27.180 --> 42:28.900 to your awakening it was Ron Paul 42:28.900 --> 42:29.820 oh no kidding 42:29.820 --> 42:32.860 yeah watching Ron Paul it's a debate in 08 42:33.500 --> 42:34.960 now I still would 42:34.960 --> 42:36.480 if you asked me in 08 42:36.480 --> 42:39.240 would you think of Ron Paul I'd be like I think I like a lot 42:39.240 --> 42:40.980 of what he says he's just a little kooky 42:41.500 --> 42:41.940 haha 42:42.660 --> 42:44.020 but it got to 42:44.020 --> 42:46.900 got my brain starting to 42:46.900 --> 42:48.420 work instead of just 42:49.020 --> 42:50.540 being an idiot and 42:51.080 --> 42:53.120 now I would say Ron Paul is one of the smartest 42:53.120 --> 42:55.160 people on the earth at the time 42:55.160 --> 42:55.820 you know so 42:56.900 --> 42:58.020 but that 42:58.020 --> 43:01.160 in 08 I didn't agree with him 100% 43:01.160 --> 43:03.000 but he got me thinking 43:03.000 --> 43:04.240 especially when 43:04.240 --> 43:06.140 they basically booed 43:06.140 --> 43:08.980 I don't know where they were at somewhere I think South Carolina maybe 43:08.980 --> 43:10.800 they basically booed 43:10.800 --> 43:13.200 the audience booed Ron Paul because he said we basically 43:13.200 --> 43:14.020 need to have a 43:14.020 --> 43:16.960 golden rule type foreign policy 43:16.960 --> 43:19.040 that a Jesus type foreign policy 43:19.040 --> 43:20.940 do unto others as you have them do unto you 43:20.940 --> 43:22.120 and they're booed 43:22.120 --> 43:23.380 I remember that 43:23.380 --> 43:25.000 oh my gosh you're booing Jesus 43:25.000 --> 43:25.940 really 43:25.940 --> 43:29.780 the right the Republicans who claim to love 43:29.780 --> 43:31.500 Jesus they're booing Jesus 43:31.500 --> 43:34.280 and so that was really a wake up call for me 43:34.280 --> 43:35.800 by 2012 I was 43:35.800 --> 43:37.900 firmly in the Ron Paul Revolution 43:37.900 --> 43:39.760 camp had the t-shirts 43:39.760 --> 43:41.860 you know going to different rallies 43:41.860 --> 43:44.040 and different things and then 43:44.040 --> 43:45.860 went from that to you know 43:45.860 --> 43:47.280 Gary Johnson and 43:47.980 --> 43:49.320 Libertarian Party and 43:49.320 --> 43:51.060 now I'm pretty much just 43:51.060 --> 43:52.360 unplugged from anything 43:53.180 --> 43:54.420 political I just 43:54.420 --> 43:57.380 not to knock those that are plugged in 43:57.380 --> 43:59.380 I think Thomas Massey is doing amazing 44:00.000 --> 44:00.480 things 44:01.140 --> 44:03.180 I don't want to knock him in any way it's just 44:03.180 --> 44:05.080 I could never I could never 44:05.080 --> 44:07.060 be in that political environment 44:07.820 --> 44:09.180 well I say 44:09.180 --> 44:10.700 that they wouldn't allow me because 44:11.800 --> 44:13.520 just a bit of an asshole but like 44:13.520 --> 44:15.420 we have Donald Trump as president so I don't know 44:15.420 --> 44:17.220 maybe I could exist in that 44:17.220 --> 44:19.240 line but I don't think I could take myself 44:19.240 --> 44:21.280 seriously if I was in that 44:21.280 --> 44:23.240 climate again not to knock those I think 44:23.240 --> 44:25.180 it takes a lot of different people 44:25.180 --> 44:27.180 in the liberty movement to make the liberty movement 44:27.180 --> 44:29.220 what it is it's just I have 44:29.220 --> 44:31.100 kind of and I don't mean just 44:31.100 --> 44:33.160 derogatory I've just personally outgrown 44:33.160 --> 44:35.420 political parties and 44:35.420 --> 44:37.200 I think our hope is more 44:37.840 --> 44:38.280 in 44:39.340 --> 44:40.780 unplugging ourselves from the system 44:40.780 --> 44:43.260 and because I think when we're plugged in 44:43.260 --> 44:44.820 and we try to work within the system 44:44.820 --> 44:46.860 and system we legitimize it 44:46.860 --> 44:48.540 and I don't want to legitimize it 44:48.540 --> 44:51.060 just me personally and so I want to unplug 44:51.060 --> 44:52.620 I don't want anything to do with it 44:52.620 --> 44:54.000 I want to avoid taxes 44:54.000 --> 44:56.620 I want to live in a black market 44:56.620 --> 44:58.440 gray market you know 44:58.440 --> 45:00.860 that aggrist mentality is just personally 45:00.860 --> 45:02.560 where I'm at and so 45:02.560 --> 45:04.940 that kind of led me to songwriting and 45:04.940 --> 45:06.180 2020 was 45:06.180 --> 45:08.320 a dark time for a lot of us 45:08.320 --> 45:10.960 I was just mad all the time 45:10.960 --> 45:11.580 and like I said 45:12.160 --> 45:12.880 when I 45:12.880 --> 45:14.400 get in those dark 45:14.960 --> 45:16.520 times I like to write 45:17.420 --> 45:19.340 and so that's why I wrote 45:19.340 --> 45:21.040 the song in the last week 45:21.560 --> 45:22.660 Five Nights at Jeffries 45:22.660 --> 45:24.320 so been there in 2020 45:24.980 --> 45:26.920 all the crap that was going on with COVID 45:26.920 --> 45:28.580 and the lockdowns and 45:28.580 --> 45:30.640 talking about forced vaccines 45:30.640 --> 45:33.280 and knowing that this thing came from a lab 45:33.280 --> 45:34.000 with 45:34.860 --> 45:36.780 American taxpayers funding it 45:36.780 --> 45:39.140 knowing all this stuff it just was so frustrating 45:39.140 --> 45:41.420 an outlet for me during that time 45:41.420 --> 45:43.020 was writing and so that's where 45:43.020 --> 45:45.020 the whole idea of Ann Kept him 45:45.020 --> 45:46.780 came from and 45:46.780 --> 45:48.800 got the album done last year 45:48.800 --> 45:51.300 around July and so 45:51.300 --> 45:53.100 you know it's a hodgepodge of 45:54.060 --> 45:55.140 it's definitely 45:55.140 --> 45:57.220 very libertarian very anarchist very 45:57.220 --> 45:59.220 aggrist but it's 45:59.220 --> 46:01.320 it's kind of like I guess the best way 46:01.320 --> 46:03.600 I've heard it described my style is like 46:03.600 --> 46:05.160 maybe old school rock 46:05.160 --> 46:06.660 but yet there's some 46:06.660 --> 46:08.660 kind of rock-pop stuff to it 46:08.660 --> 46:10.860 there's even some things that's got a little bit of a country flavor 46:10.860 --> 46:12.160 to it but I think the 46:12.740 --> 46:14.380 backbone of it is probably 46:14.380 --> 46:16.360 old school rock folk 46:17.400 --> 46:18.280 type deal 46:18.280 --> 46:20.720 but like folk with a band 46:20.720 --> 46:22.400 you know not just a guy with a guitar 46:22.400 --> 46:24.460 which I'm going to do a song with 46:24.460 --> 46:26.560 just me and a guitar but not to 46:26.560 --> 46:28.420 knock that but that's kind of 46:28.420 --> 46:30.140 the style of what Ann Kept him is so 46:30.140 --> 46:32.340 you know if you like more classic 46:32.340 --> 46:34.480 rock folk even 46:34.480 --> 46:35.140 in the country 46:35.860 --> 46:38.400 I know I have a little bit of a country 46:38.400 --> 46:40.400 to my speaking 46:40.400 --> 46:42.380 voice I'm not over the top 46:42.380 --> 46:44.160 country I'm not going to be singing about 46:44.160 --> 46:45.200 dogs and 46:46.300 --> 46:47.440 stuff like that 46:47.900 --> 46:48.340 drugs 46:49.860 --> 46:52.320 maybe Dale will do an album 46:52.320 --> 46:53.880 one day and we can do all that stuff 46:53.880 --> 46:55.660 but now it's 46:55.660 --> 46:58.000 I like to stick on the anti-state 46:58.000 --> 47:00.120 stuff and so yeah you know check it out 47:00.120 --> 47:02.180 check my stuff out it's on Spotify 47:02.180 --> 47:03.780 Apple Music all that 47:03.780 --> 47:05.480 all that stuff all the streaming 47:06.360 --> 47:08.140 well yeah well we're hoping 47:08.140 --> 47:09.940 to hear a song really quick 47:09.940 --> 47:12.180 I just want to interject a quote you were 47:12.180 --> 47:14.060 just talking about kind of being outside 47:14.060 --> 47:15.920 of the realm of politics I think that 47:15.920 --> 47:17.800 probably explains Matt and myself as well 47:17.800 --> 47:19.600 the quote that came to mind at least 47:20.180 --> 47:21.960 while you were speaking was the old 47:21.960 --> 47:23.620 Robert Heinlein quote 47:23.620 --> 47:25.820 I am free no matter what rules surround me 47:25.820 --> 47:27.940 if I find them tolerable I tolerate them 47:27.940 --> 47:30.020 if I find them too obnoxious I break 47:30.020 --> 47:31.880 them I am free because I know 47:31.880 --> 47:33.780 I alone am morally responsible 47:33.780 --> 47:35.620 for everything I do and 47:35.620 --> 47:37.920 man yeah if we if we just had more 47:37.920 --> 47:39.760 people living in that type of mindset 47:39.760 --> 47:41.680 oh boy I could only imagine 47:41.680 --> 47:43.700 the country would be living in and 47:43.700 --> 47:45.760 I'm almost certain it'd be more free 47:45.760 --> 47:47.920 but enough of me blabbing here Tim 47:47.920 --> 47:50.060 you wanted to do we wanted to do 47:50.060 --> 47:51.420 a song of yours 47:51.420 --> 47:54.020 we wanted to hear a song of yours the Rothschild's 47:54.540 --> 47:55.940 rag considering we were 47:55.940 --> 47:57.860 mentioning the Rothschild's earlier 47:57.860 --> 47:59.780 in the conversation man so if you want 47:59.780 --> 48:01.540 to go ahead and get all tuned up I think we have 48:01.540 --> 48:03.360 about 10 minutes left so we could do this 48:03.360 --> 48:05.500 in a white pill and this is 48:05.500 --> 48:07.340 a great conversation so far so 48:07.700 --> 48:09.520 let's stop it off with the cherry on top 48:10.860 --> 48:11.760 yeah I'll put 48:11.760 --> 48:13.180 some reverb on the mic that's okay 48:13.860 --> 48:14.660 absolutely yeah 48:32.270 --> 48:34.330 they sing they whisper deals but the 48:34.330 --> 48:35.990 world can't see central bank to 48:35.990 --> 48:38.130 the symphony and Paris 48:38.130 --> 48:40.130 Berlin to O.B.C. the 48:40.130 --> 48:41.470 Jekyll island conspiracy 48:42.060 --> 48:44.410 the Rothschild's rag gets 48:44.410 --> 48:45.930 the scripted play 48:45.930 --> 48:48.530 they control the coin 48:48.530 --> 48:50.250 you gotta do what they 48:50.250 --> 48:52.450 say they're in 48:52.450 --> 48:54.530 the shadows but they often 48:54.530 --> 48:55.130 brag 48:56.120 --> 48:57.750 while we dance along 48:58.140 --> 49:00.150 to the Rothschild 49:00.150 --> 49:01.330 rag 49:09.960 --> 49:11.160 wars break out 49:11.160 --> 49:13.140 they lend both sides in the vaulted 49:13.140 --> 49:14.640 where the power hides 49:14.640 --> 49:16.880 they own the debt they own the crown 49:16.880 --> 49:18.900 when the leaders kneel empires bow 49:18.900 --> 49:20.880 down you think it's law that runs 49:20.880 --> 49:22.720 the lamb and it's the bankers hands 49:22.720 --> 49:24.820 that command in the name of peace 49:24.820 --> 49:27.220 and prosperity they loan your dreams 49:27.220 --> 49:28.840 but you pay the fee the 49:28.840 --> 49:30.820 Rothschild's rag gets 49:30.820 --> 49:32.360 the scripted play 49:32.360 --> 49:35.320 when they control the coin 49:35.320 --> 49:36.680 you gotta do what they 49:37.260 --> 49:39.640 say they're in the shadows 49:39.640 --> 49:41.020 but they often 49:41.020 --> 49:43.260 brag while we 49:43.260 --> 49:45.200 dance along to the 49:45.200 --> 49:46.580 Rothschild 49:47.320 --> 49:47.960 rag 49:49.800 --> 49:57.470 all the nations 49:57.470 --> 49:58.170 rise 49:58.670 --> 50:01.010 and the nations fall 50:01.010 --> 50:03.190 but the bankers led 50:03.190 --> 50:05.130 your outlast 50:05.130 --> 50:07.450 them all 50:15.850 --> 50:17.930 so dance along 50:17.930 --> 50:19.950 to the silent 50:19.950 --> 50:20.850 beat 50:21.320 --> 50:23.190 from every capitol 50:23.850 --> 50:26.290 to Wall Street 50:26.290 --> 50:28.070 they print the 50:28.070 --> 50:30.910 paper make the nations dance 50:30.910 --> 50:32.790 and the Rothschild 50:32.790 --> 50:34.350 rag you don't 50:34.350 --> 50:34.890 stain 50:35.840 --> 50:36.910 the chain 50:37.850 --> 50:46.640 it's the Rothschild 50:46.640 --> 50:48.950 rag it's the scripted 50:49.060 --> 50:49.480 play 50:49.480 --> 50:52.160 they control the coin 50:52.160 --> 50:53.820 you gotta do what they 50:53.820 --> 50:56.220 say they're in the 50:56.220 --> 50:58.120 shadows but they often 50:58.120 --> 50:58.760 brag 50:59.480 --> 51:01.360 while we dance along 51:01.360 --> 51:03.620 to the Rothschild 51:03.620 --> 51:04.840 rag 51:30.970 --> 51:32.290 that was great brother 51:32.290 --> 51:34.330 man this is as jason said 51:34.330 --> 51:35.770 we're running out of time here i'm gonna be quick 51:35.770 --> 51:38.030 we're uh i want to thank you for coming on 51:38.030 --> 51:40.090 man that i know thank you 51:40.090 --> 51:41.950 for the patience i know it took a year to get 51:41.950 --> 51:43.790 on the show but glad you finally did 51:43.790 --> 51:45.410 i think we could have timed it better 51:45.410 --> 51:47.530 this was a great great episode man 51:47.530 --> 51:49.010 i know so many people 51:50.150 --> 51:51.870 they talk about that you guys were just 51:51.870 --> 51:53.670 talking about it with what woke you up 51:53.670 --> 51:55.930 in your life and brought you to this 51:55.930 --> 51:57.750 point and a lot of people have ron paul 51:57.750 --> 51:59.370 and these and different 51:59.370 --> 52:01.630 books that they've read but i know music 52:01.630 --> 52:03.690 also plays a large role for that for so many 52:03.690 --> 52:05.590 people you know i mean i remember 52:05.590 --> 52:07.810 Sturgill simpson waking me up to psychedelics 52:07.810 --> 52:08.950 back in the day and 52:09.450 --> 52:11.510 he's also highly political i wrote an article 52:11.510 --> 52:13.470 that he actually shared a long time ago where 52:13.470 --> 52:15.550 he talks about the opium 52:15.550 --> 52:17.650 drug trade in afghanistan 52:17.650 --> 52:19.610 and he played that song on saturday night live 52:19.610 --> 52:21.570 and it was like the article 52:21.570 --> 52:23.570 was country music singer goes and exposes 52:23.570 --> 52:25.670 the afghan opium trade on saturday night live 52:25.670 --> 52:27.730 and no one noticed but somebody 52:27.730 --> 52:28.590 noticed you know 52:29.690 --> 52:31.530 anyway man you know so 52:31.530 --> 52:33.730 as we kind of look forward to 52:33.730 --> 52:34.630 like a future that 52:35.370 --> 52:37.730 where people like us try to reject the 52:37.730 --> 52:39.450 you know these old world predators 52:39.450 --> 52:41.290 and these new world technocrats 52:41.290 --> 52:43.250 how do you see the 52:43.250 --> 52:45.870 role of music in this decentralization 52:45.870 --> 52:46.950 movement like so 52:47.610 --> 52:49.550 you know when the world feels like 52:49.550 --> 52:51.190 it's drowning kind of like it is right now 52:51.190 --> 52:53.270 can music be the catalyst that finally 52:53.270 --> 52:55.110 helps people reclaim this 52:55.110 --> 52:56.870 moral compass that's and 52:56.870 --> 52:58.430 realize that they don't need a king 52:58.430 --> 53:00.770 they don't need a president or they don't need some 53:00.770 --> 53:03.210 ai algorithm to tell them 53:03.210 --> 53:03.710 that they're free 53:04.370 --> 53:07.170 yeah i'd like to think so i hope so 53:07.170 --> 53:09.290 that's why i do 53:09.290 --> 53:11.490 what i do i want 53:11.490 --> 53:13.110 to be 53:13.110 --> 53:14.570 another medium 53:15.110 --> 53:16.970 in which people can 53:16.970 --> 53:17.750 can wake up 53:19.030 --> 53:20.810 i'm doing more like talking 53:20.810 --> 53:22.850 and like little shorts 53:22.850 --> 53:24.590 and videos where i'm talking 53:24.590 --> 53:26.750 but i never really did a lot of that 53:26.750 --> 53:28.830 and i thought that just wasn't my 53:28.830 --> 53:30.670 bag and so but i'm like 53:30.670 --> 53:32.970 i can sing you know i can write a song 53:32.970 --> 53:34.230 so to me 53:34.730 --> 53:36.730 i think music's powerful and 53:37.370 --> 53:38.690 you take a songs like 53:38.690 --> 53:40.630 like the one you mentioned with Sturgill Simpson or 53:41.310 --> 53:42.930 or was it black sabbath 53:42.930 --> 53:44.170 ozzie war pigs 53:44.170 --> 53:45.750 you know 53:46.390 --> 53:49.070 the anti-war movement i don't think would have gotten off the ground 53:49.070 --> 53:50.990 if not for music so 53:50.990 --> 53:52.910 music's powerful and 53:52.910 --> 53:54.550 the thing is 53:55.070 --> 53:56.130 it's it's hard 53:56.890 --> 53:58.730 writing libertarian type music 53:58.730 --> 54:00.710 and getting yourself out there 54:01.350 --> 54:01.950 but 54:01.950 --> 54:05.010 i do see it growing more 54:05.010 --> 54:07.090 so and there's a lot 54:07.090 --> 54:08.350 of great artists out there 54:08.350 --> 54:10.950 maybe go to like libertarians who make art 54:10.950 --> 54:12.610 dot com and 54:12.610 --> 54:14.910 a lot of good like it my style might not 54:14.910 --> 54:16.790 be what you like you might 54:16.790 --> 54:18.830 like more pop stuff you like more like 54:18.830 --> 54:20.910 heavy rock type stuff 54:20.910 --> 54:23.030 i'm gonna be more in that middle middle 54:23.030 --> 54:24.670 vein middle of the road 54:25.890 --> 54:27.190 billy joel meets 54:27.190 --> 54:28.370 classic rock meets 54:28.970 --> 54:30.970 folk you know that's just that's just who i 54:30.970 --> 54:31.930 am but 54:31.930 --> 54:34.910 if i'm if i'm your guy please go check my stuff out 54:34.910 --> 54:36.870 but if i'm not there's plenty other options out there 54:37.390 --> 54:37.830 and 54:38.330 --> 54:40.290 somebody might listen to a song and they're not gonna 54:40.290 --> 54:43.450 but they wouldn't listen to a two hour long podcast 54:43.890 --> 54:44.330 so 54:44.330 --> 54:46.670 it's i think it can be a tool 54:46.670 --> 54:48.410 to show people these 54:48.410 --> 54:50.370 these principles like i have a song 54:50.370 --> 54:52.190 that's called good ideas don't require force 54:52.190 --> 54:54.310 when somebody made fun of me on 54:54.310 --> 54:56.470 online you know they say you basically 54:56.470 --> 54:58.490 got little anarchist nursery rhymes 54:58.490 --> 55:00.370 and i'm like well okay you 55:00.370 --> 55:02.450 meant that as a dig but i kind of take it as 55:02.450 --> 55:04.250 a compliment you know because 55:04.250 --> 55:06.210 if you haven't 55:06.210 --> 55:08.250 graphs the the depths of good 55:08.250 --> 55:10.150 ideas don't require force maybe you needed 55:10.150 --> 55:11.510 in a nursery rhyme format 55:12.110 --> 55:12.950 but yeah 55:13.310 --> 55:15.310 i think music can change 55:15.310 --> 55:17.510 hearts and hopefully change lives 55:17.510 --> 55:19.670 hell yeah man and i think 55:19.670 --> 55:21.110 you're on the right track with it you're 55:21.110 --> 55:23.530 definitely my style dude i love 55:23.530 --> 55:25.690 that like that soul rock folk mix 55:25.690 --> 55:27.290 it's uh that's basically 55:27.290 --> 55:28.970 everything i listen to 55:29.510 --> 55:31.510 i hope one 55:31.510 --> 55:33.630 day you have your oliver anthony moment 55:33.630 --> 55:34.610 man where this 55:34.610 --> 55:38.450 and you blow up and that goes out and you go viral 55:38.450 --> 55:39.810 i mean i think that song 55:39.810 --> 55:41.910 did a lot for people man it did i think 55:41.910 --> 55:43.810 it yeah and then when he when 55:43.810 --> 55:45.850 the republicans tried to play it at the r&c 55:45.850 --> 55:47.850 and he asked him not to because 55:47.850 --> 55:49.650 they're the rich men north of rich men 55:49.650 --> 55:51.970 it was fucking that that 55:51.970 --> 55:53.790 was baller dude it was awesome anyway 55:53.790 --> 55:55.790 i hope that for you hey 55:55.790 --> 55:57.850 free thinkers this is mad agarist and i'm 55:57.850 --> 56:00.330 going to take a quick pause to remind you of something really important 56:00.790 --> 56:02.350 first off apologies for the 56:02.350 --> 56:04.070 interruption but if you're still here 56:04.070 --> 56:05.870 that means you're resonating with what 56:05.870 --> 56:07.930 we're doing and we need your help to 56:07.930 --> 56:10.610 keep it alive independent platforms like ours 56:10.610 --> 56:12.430 don't survive on corporate sponsorships 56:12.430 --> 56:14.010 or mainstream media funding 56:14.010 --> 56:15.850 we survive because of you 56:15.850 --> 56:18.510 if you're finding value in these unfiltered 56:18.510 --> 56:20.090 conversations and real solutions 56:20.090 --> 56:22.470 the best way to support us is by liking 56:22.470 --> 56:24.290 subscribing and sharing this 56:24.290 --> 56:26.090 podcast with your 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helping us to stay independent 56:59.810 --> 57:02.250 your support is what keeps this platform 57:02.250 --> 57:04.270 alive and fighting so 57:04.270 --> 57:05.950 thank you for being part of this journey 57:05.950 --> 57:08.250 for sharing these ideas and for 57:08.250 --> 57:09.050 standing with us 57:10.030 --> 57:12.170 thank you again for coming on dude super 57:12.170 --> 57:13.810 talented I can't wait to hear that song 57:13.810 --> 57:15.950 I'm gonna have to link it at the bottom of the podcast 57:16.550 --> 57:18.130 description so other people can link 57:18.130 --> 57:19.610 it through I'll link to all your music down there 57:20.150 --> 57:21.890 but before we get out of here man tell people 57:21.890 --> 57:23.830 where they can find and support your work 57:24.430 --> 57:25.730 yeah the best place is 57:26.210 --> 57:26.970 andcaptim.com 57:26.970 --> 57:30.250 you can find all of the music 57:30.250 --> 57:31.930 on streaming you pick your you know 57:31.930 --> 57:33.270 whatever platform you use 57:33.730 --> 57:36.210 I'm on YouTube I'm on all the socials 57:36.210 --> 57:38.170 if you're on X and you're 57:38.170 --> 57:39.870 you're out there and you liked anything 57:39.870 --> 57:41.750 that I said or anything that I sang 57:41.750 --> 57:44.090 or anything please give me a follow on X 57:44.090 --> 57:45.770 I get zero traction 57:45.770 --> 57:47.530 on that social media 57:47.530 --> 57:50.050 platforms probably because all I do is cyber 57:50.050 --> 57:51.890 bully politicians and 57:51.890 --> 57:53.870 but you know 57:54.490 --> 57:55.730 I'd have a 57:55.730 --> 57:57.890 more a better following on 57:57.890 --> 57:59.730 like Facebook and tiktok and Instagram 57:59.730 --> 58:01.650 but yeah I'd like to do better 58:01.650 --> 58:03.670 on X so if you're 58:03.670 --> 58:05.390 out there in X world please 58:05.390 --> 58:07.750 give me a follow I would appreciate 58:07.750 --> 58:09.650 that but yeah everything's at 58:09.650 --> 58:10.810 andcaptim.com 58:11.690 --> 58:13.870 awesome dude well thank you for coming on dude 58:13.870 --> 58:15.610 it was a long time coming and well worth it 58:16.110 --> 58:17.430 thank you thank you again thanks 58:17.430 --> 58:19.650 thanks both y'all for having me thanks Tim 58:25.220 --> 58:26.680 thank you for listening 58:26.680 --> 58:29.100 to the free thought project podcast 58:29.840 --> 58:31.460 and please don't forget to rate 58:31.460 --> 58:32.900 review and subscribe 58:34.720 --> 58:36.480 free minds 58:36.480 --> 58:38.380 free people