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So you know what I mean, you know, yeah, the guy's got some pretty weird ideas. It's one of those crazy

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anarchist types and

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thinks there shouldn't be a government at all as if that would ever work, right?

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I mean obviously to have civilization at all we need some people to have permission to commit evil

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Yeah, cuz we have to

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Wait, what what did you say?

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Yeah, we need people in positions of authority to have permission to do evil stuff or society would fall into chaos

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What do you mean permission to do?

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Evil stuff. I don't want that. Well, you want government, right?

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Yeah, I mean maybe not the

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mess we have now, but

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some sort of

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Political or societal structure and political authority, right? Yeah, like

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Maintain law and order and stuff. Absolutely and for that

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Some people need to be allowed to commit evil. What the hell are you talking about?

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You mean like to be able to use force?

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No, everyone already has the ability to use force to one degree or another

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Okay, but we need someone using force to protect us from the bad guys. Is that what you mean?

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No, not that everyone already has the right to do that

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I don't need a badge or legislation

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To have the right to defend myself or defend others from thugs and thieves. Well, I agree, but then what the hell are you talking about?

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Well, we need certain people to have societal

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permission to be thugs and thieves for our own good and

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For the good of society. No, we don't

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Look, do you have the right to make up random rules and then beat up your neighbors if they disobey you? Of course not

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It would be wrong of you to do that, right? Obviously

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And you have the right to demand money from your neighbors and do nasty things to them if they don't pay up

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No, kind of stupid question is that

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So we agree that it's bad to violently boss people around and forcibly take their stuff

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Without their permission, right? Yes, every kindergartner knows that

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Doing that stuff is evil

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Yeah, right and only certain people should be allowed to do that stuff

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What no one should be allowed to do that stuff

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How do you say that it's starting to sound like one of those crazy anarchist types yourself

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What? No, not

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So you don't think we need government with the ability to legislate and tax?

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Well, yeah, we need that

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So you want government to violently boss people around and forcibly take their stuff. Well, I wouldn't put it that way

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Why not? What do you think a law is?

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It's an official

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legislative decree from her

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Duly elected representatives or whatever. Okay, and without the fluffy bullshit euphemisms. What is it?

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Politicians issue a command and then send armed thugs to punish anyone who gets caught disobeying law and order

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I mean, that's kind of a messed up way to describe it. Is it inaccurate?

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Is it not true? Well, I mean, I guess it's time to true

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If they make up some arbitrary law and you get caught disobeying it, what happens to you? Well

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unpleasant things, but we need laws against

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theft and

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Murder and stuff. Hey, we already agreed that normal people have the right to forcibly stop murderers and thieves, right?

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Well, yeah, I don't need to be a lawmaker to stop someone from attacking my family

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No, of course not. But for government to be government

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It has to have the power and the right to do things that you and I have no right to do. Well, I mean I

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Guess to some extent. Yeah, so we need to give it permission to commit evil for the good of society

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No

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Why do you keep saying it? You already conceded that violently bossing people around and robbing them is bad

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It's immoral and wrong. Yeah, so what?

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But you think we need a government that forcibly bosses people around and robs them by way of

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legislation and

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Taxation and so do I

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Well, yeah, they do it legally. They're like a legislative process. So it's it's not the same thing, right?

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We use different words to describe it because they have societal permission

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To commit that evil and I agree with you. That's totally legitimate and totally necessary

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We need to have a parasitical ruling class that has our permission to routinely commit evil

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No, it's not a ruling class. We're supposed to have a

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constitutional republic that

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represents and

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Serves us by bossing us around and taking our stuff

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I mean if you want to describe it that way and sending men with guns after us if we don't comply

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You mean you sound like government is just organized crime or something. No, not at all organized crime

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Doesn't have societal permission to commit evil

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Everyone knows it's wrong and they do it

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But government does have permission to commit such evil and it should if it didn't there would be chaos and man

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And we'd all be killing and eating each other like I said to begin with I agree with you

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We need some people to have societal permission

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To commit evil so we can have a peaceful and prosperous civilization

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It kind of sound bonkers here

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We don't need to let some people commit evil and extortion

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Thuggery so you don't think government should be able to tax us well, I mean needs to

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Fund what it does somehow

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Exactly, that's why it needs to have permission to commit extortion and armed robbery

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It would be bad if you did that or if I did that but we need them to be able to do that

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We need to give them permission to commit that evil

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This is making my head hurt

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It's quite simple

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government is the thing that exercises

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Authority over a certain place and authority means the right to rule we need government and

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There no we need for there to be a big powerful gang with the right to do lots of things that

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Everyone would recognize as evil if any normal person did any of that stuff

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That's not what I want the world doesn't need more evil in it

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Are you one of those

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Minerkist you just want the minimal necessary amount of

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Societally-approved evil is that it is that what you're talking about? No, I don't want any evil

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But if government has no special powers no authority no right to do things that you and I don't have the right to do

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That's not even government and you and I agreed we need government

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We need it doing things that you and I have no right to do

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Things that would be immoral and wrong if we did them

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Hence we need some people to have societal permission to commit evil

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Damn it. I'm starting to think that anarchist guy has a point

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Don't say that he's probably just one of those weirdos who think that morality applies the same to everyone

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And things badges and offices don't give anyone

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Special extra rights

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Well, yeah, he has said that before

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Yeah, probably doesn't even believe that legislation can make something evil into something good or vice versa

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No, as a matter of fact, he doesn't

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Crazy could probably thinks that he should follow his own conscience and always do what he thinks is right

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Instead of blindly obeying whatever those in power tell him to do

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Yep, that sounds like him

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Yeah, but you and I know better. We all need to blindly obey without question

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Whatever our political overlords tell us to do and we need to hand over as much money as they say we should

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For whatever they want to do with it. Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far

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I mean, who are you to judge right from wrong for yourself?

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Just always do as you're told. I mean, for example, if they told me to go kill people

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I didn't know on the other side of the world. I would proudly do that, you know, it would do

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Staring me there. That's to be

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Some sort of balance what balance just do as you're told

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That's all there is to it

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Or do you think you're above the law you get to decide when to obey authority and when to disobey?

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Kind of a scoff law criminal, are you?

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Like you said, we need to be ruled or there would be chaos. That's just that's not what I said

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You acknowledge that we need government to maintain law and order a central authority that forcibly

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Extorts and controls everyone else is obviously a ruling class, and that's fine

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That's what we as the pathetic peasants. We are need for our own good

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I mean just think out evil and dangerous you would be if

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Politicians weren't telling you how to behave. What? I'm not the problem

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If Congress wasn't spending a bunch of your money for you and making a bunch of your choices for you

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You'd be no better than a violent wild animal

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Dude, what the hell? That's not at all true

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You're starting to sound like the people who watch V for vendetta and think that the

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Chancellor is the bad guy and that the extremist criminal terrorists or the

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heroes somehow

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Ah

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Well or watch hunger games and think those just trying to maintain order in the districts or somehow the villains

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dude

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Or watch Braveheart and cheer for those treasonous upstart criminal traders

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You know if you ask me that that mr. Smith character in Jones plantation

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He's a real hero. Are you even?

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Never mind

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All those malcontents complaining about oppression and tyranny if you just do as you're told there won't be a problem

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I mean a lot of evil crap has been done by people

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Just following orders

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Well, but that's not up for you to decide the lawmakers are in charge and need to be in charge

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Civilization requires it. You already agreed to that

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It's our duty to always obey them and pay tribute to them no matter what we might think about it

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Dude, you're describing the attitude that's enabled the worst

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atrocities in history

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Well, if you think you get to pick and choose which laws you have to follow then you're arguing the same thing

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There's damn anarchists are arguing things like slavery and plenty rather completely horrible crap

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used to be legal and

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Still is in some places

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Yeah, and if you respect the law and acknowledge that society needs government and can't exist without it

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Then you can't just turn around and decide when you think you should or shouldn't obey

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if you want them to be a political authority as I do a

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Legitimate government with the right to rule then obviously that means that people like you and me have an obligation to obey

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I mean just think how bad

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Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany would have been if a bunch of people there and decided not to follow orders and

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Decided to follow their own

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Consgences instead would have been anarchy the very definition of anarchy and you think that would have been a bad thing

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Of course

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Every person using his own moral compass acting from his own conscience

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Instead of doing whatever those in power told them to

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How are we supposed to have wars if that's how people think are we supposed to have

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Wars we're supposed to have whatever those in power decide and only a low life

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Criminal scum of the earth would ever dream of disobeying the politicians

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Dude, I gotta go

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Yeah, go let that silly weirdo guy you were talking to know just why we need those in power to forever

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Have an exemption for morality. We need them to have permission to commit evil

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You know stream that extremist anarchist cook out. Yeah, or maybe I should start listening him a bit more carefully