Hello and welcome to the King Heroes Journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens. I am your host
and today I have the great pleasure of hosting Dr. Jacob Lieberman for his third interview. I haven't
talked to him for, oh my goodness, it's almost six years. So I am pretty excited to have him here.
Welcome to a few of you that are showing up in the chat here, Aliza, JJ Hempreet. Welcome
and Jackie's here on time, early bird. So great and so you might be familiar with Jacob because he
has certainly made the rounds in our community if you want to call it that and I couldn't resist
after seeing him on Alpha Vedic the last time just how deeply inspiring and grounding and
beautiful that was. I couldn't resist having him on for another one. If you're not familiar with
him, his discoveries in the field of light, vision and consciousness have been enthusiastically
endorsed by luminaries in the field of health, science and spirituality from Deepak Chopra
and Bruce Lipton to Eckhart Tolle. His newest book, Luminous Life, which I highly recommend,
by the way, I add that on repeat in my audible, how the science of light unlocks the art of
living reveals how light guides are every step so we may fulfill our reason for being.
Today we're going to talk specifically about the vision behind the vision because visioning
is a very big subject for me right now and I know that Jacob is going to be amazing at
shedding more light on it for us. So without further ado, I'm bringing him on.
Hello and welcome. Do you mind if I call you Jacob or do you prefer Dr. Lieberman?
I prefer Jacob. Okay, very good. Okay. I knew that about you. I don't know if you
remember this because you've done so many interviews. So have I. But I do remember,
I think it was the first time I brought you on and I was very nervous and I felt like I was
sitting with someone much higher than me and you right away put an end to it. You said,
stop it. Don't elevate me or put me on a pedestal. I'm just like you or something
to that effect and that immediately put me at ease.
In your introduction, you mentioned something about the vision behind the vision.
That's it. So many years ago,
my daughter came over to my home one day and since she wanted to speak to me,
something had come up and she didn't know if she had made the right decision.
And so we were sitting on the front line of my home at the time in Maui
and she was sharing and all of a sudden something caught my eye
and my head reflexively turned to the right and there was a big tree
moving back and forth.
And I said to my daughter, Gina, do you see that?
I said, what do you mean, Dad? The tree? I said, yeah.
I said, what do you notice about it? I don't know. It's just moving.
I said, well, if you didn't know that wind existed, obviously, because you can't see the wind,
you would be pretty sure that the tree was animating itself.
She said, yeah, that's right. But since you know that wind exists,
you know that the wind is actually moving the tree.
She said, yeah. I said, what do you think is moving the wind?
And she looked at me puzzled and I said, obviously something that's even more invisible.
So now we go back to our first interview and you felt a little nervous, like all of us feel when
we're doing something like that, whether it's speaking with another person or speaking in front
of an audience. Most people feel that trepidation or the butterflies. And the fear,
and I've never actually considered this until you mentioned this experience,
the trepidation is because we're sure that we're doing it.
You're the interviewer and I'm the interviewee. And of course, we all want to do it correctly,
because our whole life is built on this idea of correct or incorrect duality.
And so, gosh, I hope I don't forget what university he went to.
Even though no one really cares about any of that, because the moment
something comes from us, people immediately know whether there's resonance there.
And so, what am I getting to?
It isn't us that's asking the questions or delivering the response.
The same animating force that is moving the wind is moving everything within us.
And I'm not talking spiritual talk right now. I'm talking hard science as well.
Everyone believes that we're thinking about things and deciding what to do all the time.
But when you start looking at the neuroscience of a lot of these things, we find out that over
95% of what comes out of our mouth, we are totally unaware of before it comes out.
It just comes from someplace that we're unaware of. And so, I guess what I'm sharing is the
sweetest part of this moment for me is that I have no idea what will come from you.
And I have no idea what will come from me. But over many years,
I've learned that whatever is speaking us is also breathing us, pumping our hearts, regulating
our blood glucose, our blood pressure, everything. And it's been doing that from the moment
we emerged out of our mother's womb and it will continue until the final breath.
And so, maybe this is a good moment to just say, thank God I'm home.
How beautiful. That just brought us all home.
Thank you.
Right at the beginning.
Yeah, let's not put off the important parts.
It's really beautiful. I recall you saying pretty much every time I've seen you interview,
sorry for the sirens, there are going to be sound effects in the background,
that you tend not to script yourself or prepare for what you're going to say,
but that you show up alive in that moment. And I started out doing that almost exclusively.
And then I trained myself a little bit like a warrior to do more preparation and make
a list of questions and everything. And then I was thinking about my questions.
I do have a few written down, but I thought, you know what, I'm just going to be the same
way that you are in that conversation and just allow it to flow, which is inevitably how
all of these interviews go. And that's the beauty of it for me, that there are such
levels of spontaneous creation happening. So I appreciate that.
This is the highlight of my life. Someone said to me recently, do you have an office?
I said, well, one in my home.
Well, do you see people? Well, usually online.
So where do you do your work? I said, I do my best work out on the streets.
What do you mean? You know, every day I go out maybe to a coffee shop once a day or
I take a walk and something catches my eye
and literally moves me towards someone or something and often begins to speak me.
There's no doing on my part. It does itself. And what's fascinating about it is that it's
miraculous because all of a sudden I find myself with someone I've never seen,
will probably never see again, know absolutely nothing about.
And all of a sudden we realize that there's something about life
that is a major overlap for both of us and something magnificent occurs.
And I notice it happens for me each time I see a young person at the coffee shop or at a restaurant
just doing something impeccably.
And something in me must share with them. Not only that I see them, but I am so deeply
touched by the beauty in the way that they are showing up.
And perhaps that their mom and dad have done a great job and it's quite profound.
These little things that I experience every day, sometimes with adults, sometimes with young kids,
it's just magnificent. So I not only, I don't tend to, I never prepare anything.
That doesn't mean that preparing is a problem. No, no, no. Each of us must honor
what is natural for us at that moment. But for me it hasn't, it's almost like I have a bit of an
allergic reaction when I notice the mind wanting to make sure you get it perfectly or whatever.
And I realize that
people feel so much more at home with imperfection than perfection.
Nice. Perfection creates a distance between the two.
Imperfection is a beautiful part of naturalness and it's what allows each of us to be the same height.
And that is where relationship thrives.
That's my claim to fame right there, Jacob. It's interesting because I help people to
deprogram. And one of the really big programs, there's not very many, but one of them says
that when it's running it says, if you don't get it just right or get it perfect,
that something bad is going to happen and it's almost always a death threat from the unconscious.
And then it's so different because sometimes people can say, well, that means that I shouldn't
work on it or I shouldn't improve or I shouldn't go for excellence. But what I notice is that
it's beautiful to do things impeccably. That is a beautiful thing. The lovers in my world,
me included, really appreciate that. But it's the motive, right? So that if you allow
the fear of the program to drive you to excellence, then it's empty and it's exactly what you said.
It creates distance from you and other people. They think you're high somewhere and they're not
there. And when you just let that program go and you allow, it's what you're saying,
like you allow the life force to just come through you and express and how it does,
then that makes you more approachable, right? So I think that's why people have sometimes been
able to enter into my world more easily because I'm not getting it perfect over here.
You know, you had mentioned my last book, Luminous Life,
which came out, I think, 2018. And I did a book tour within the U.S. and also one in Europe.
Amazing. And when I was in Europe, I was invited to speak at the University of Economy in Prague.
And when I'm asked to speak in public, I usually ask for a comfortable chair
and I sit down just as the audience has seated. And I like to be as close as possible
to the audience. So I put myself, I move the chair closer
and I like it possible to be on the same height as them as well.
And I was sitting there and I realized that this is an audience many of whom do not speak English.
That's tricky. And I have a translator and I'm sitting there and I share with the audience,
you know, I have no idea what I'm doing here. And they look at me and I said, I mean,
this is the University of Economy. And you know, economy has to do with money and investments
and these things. I said, I don't, that's not my area that I really delve in each day.
And so I'm just going to sit for a moment just to see what it is that wants to be shared.
And I closed my eyes. And all of a sudden what comes out of my mouth is, ah, I got it.
And they look at me and I said,
we think economy has to do with money.
I said, but economy is another word for efficiency.
And I said, and what defines economy is life. The workings of the universe
define economy at its optimal level.
Nothing is actually doing anything. And everything is do is being done.
I said, the planets, there isn't some technology or some strong person moving the planets in their orbit.
They all move and spin at their own rate all at the same time.
It doesn't appear like anything is being done. Any effort is being made for that to occur.
And whatever is animating the movement of the universe
is animating every movement within us.
And so it's really important to look at that because our whole life
has been, you know, people at the beginning of our life barrier.
What are you going to be when you grow up?
Well, a kid doesn't know that they're just going to be a bigger version of who they are.
A larger version, a taller version.
Oh, I want to be a fireman or I want to be the president or whatever it is.
And our natures are different because our reason for being is different.
Anyone could practice playing the piano and their fingers would become more efficient.
But Ian is at very high levels.
That's in their blood. It's in their spirit. It's in there.
They're made for it. I frequently meet someone and sometimes what catches my eye are their hands.
And I notice that pianists and artists, they have different hands than people that are,
you know, maybe athletes and doing something else. And we're all just different kinds of trees.
And, you know, when you go out in the, in the forest, sometimes you see trees that are very tall
and thin and others that are much shorter and much broader. Some of them like palm trees,
they sway in the wind. No problem. Others are stiffer. And when a wind comes, they can crack.
Some create shade, which is a source of protection. Some create fruit, nourishment.
Some create the essence because of flowers. Some have thorns and you can't get too close to them.
And if you begin to look at the plant kingdom or even the animal kingdom,
you'll see that every variety is similar to a lot of what we experience in our own life.
We're not all designed to be identical or to, you know,
not everybody is going to be whatever they want. So
I think common sense is such an important part of life.
Indeed, indeed. And then, so how are you able to relate the economy and the efficiency
back to, I'm, I'm guessing where you were headed is around, you know, in India when I studied,
they would talk about doership. So you always feel like, oh, I just helped that person. I did it.
Or, oh, I just got into trouble. I did it. And so then it creates this sort of an interloper in
what otherwise what you're saying just comes straight from its source with no effort of any kind.
Right. A lot has to do
with one's awareness of their essence. You see,
when we emerged out of our mothers,
we had no awareness of sexuality. We had no awareness of gender identity. We had no awareness
of skin coloration, religiosity. We had no preferences that we were aware of.
We were not aware of us. And this is why an infant has no awareness that its mother
or father is something external to themselves. They,
they're born in oceanic bliss. And in a state of oneness, it's undifferentiated.
It's not this or that. It's just is-ness. And the response that comes forth, it is always appropriate.
If the infant is hungry, a sound lets you know that or a tear or a something.
If an infant is frightened, a different kind of sound lets you know that.
Mothers at night often wake up just exactly when their infants need them. And
so the doership,
my senses has to do with the
the illusion that is created by the persona that is conditioned.
And so here we come in. Obviously, we have a nature. There's certain aspects in there that will
evolve. But it isn't until the doctor or nurse or midwife, the first thing they do is they notice
whether the infant's body is expanding and contracting, which we call breathing.
Keep in mind, this infant a few moments before was in a pool of liquid.
And all of a sudden, it's gone from a warm dark liquid environment
into a cold, brightly lit, totally different environment. And something begins
breathing it seamlessly. And once they see that that's happening, the eyes immediately
go down to the genital area and then they pronounce, it's a girl. Now,
in today's world, people want to know.
But the sex of the baby is before they arrive. Why? Oh, we want to make sure that we paint the room
yellow instead of lavender. We want to know, you know, what the drapes are going to be like
if it's a boy versus a girl or what kind of clothing we're going to give them or what name
we're going to name them. And so the preparation
is based on the idea that we're going to know exactly what they need because
some tests is, oh, they have this type of genital or this type. And
so the conditioning begins even before you arrive. And if you're called a boy versus a girl,
your whole life is already set up in relation to that, even if you don't fit that.
You know, we say, oh, life is not black and white. It's just a bunch of shades of gray.
But everything is handled as if it's black and white on some level. And
and then we toilet train kids. Now, most people don't realize this, but
if you never toilet trained a child, the child will model what its parents are doing and will
toilet train itself. But we feel by a certain time we have to do that. And so when we hear certain
noises and we send something is going on digestively, you know, we might pick up the child
and run toward the bathroom. Now, hold on just a second, hold on,
which is conditioning the child to hold something that's actually ready to be released.
Or as the child gets older, mom or dad says, now go to go to the bathroom because we're
going to be able to stop once your dad starts driving. So now you have to make something happen
that isn't ready to happen. And if you look at our life, so much of that, so much of it
is either trying to make something happen that isn't quite ready.
Or trying to stop something from happening that is ready. And so
we live in a mind field. And what got us into this discussion is about economy and so on.
And I shared with you, I do my best work in the streets in not knowing. And the only thing that's
different is that I am aware that there's something, I don't know where it resides,
but there is something that is aware of everything that's happening inside of me.
You know, there's something that I'm aware of the chair, the sensations
under my thighs and on my back. I'm aware of all of that. I'm aware of you.
You're aware of me. I'm aware of this giant four by eight foot window behind my monitor.
There's all kinds of sensations going on. I'm aware words are coming out of my mouth,
although I have no awareness where they're coming from or why.
Every so often, I sense the mind saying something. Something is aware of that.
What's profound about that is we've been led to believe that we are the mind. Oh, it's my mind.
I don't mind it. I can change my mind. But in actuality, the reason we are aware of this function
called mind, which is really a translation unit, is because something is always observing it,
witnessing it, aware of it. In order to survive, an organism must be able to know
what is occurring or what will occur before it actually occurs.
When we get a flash about something, we say, oh, I just got this intuitive hit,
which we later say, look what I thought of.
When someone says, well, what is that intuitive? Well, it's a feeling. I just sensed it.
Now, when I went to school, in elementary school, my teachers would often say
your first feeling is always correct. Not 95% correct is always correct.
And if they noticed that someone seemed to naturally be living from that space,
they would say Jackie knows it by heart. Now, as a kid, I thought, oh, they memorized it.
No, no, no. Knowing by heart
is knowing at a totally, totally different level. So let's talk about this intuition
just a second because you talked about the vision behind the vision.
Most eye doctors, if you speak with them and you said, tell me a little bit about
the retina of the eye, which is the photosensitive layer in the back. And they'll say, well,
it's primarily made up of two types of cells, one that sees better at night,
one that sees better during the day, and one that sees colors, and one that doesn't, and so on.
And what they're unaware of, and so we'll never share with you,
is that 95% of the photosensitive cells on the retina are called rods,
and rods are very active at night in low light levels. Why?
Why? Because they are incredibly sensitive. They pick up stuff before you see it,
before on some level, you even imagine that it's there. Now, let me tell you how sensitive they are.
When we speak about light and a physicist, and you say, well, what is light made of?
Light is just energy. They say, well, it's made up of packets of energy called photons.
Now, photons are not material. Photons are formless. It's just energy.
The rods of the eyes are so sensitive that they can detect and respond to a single photon.
Now, there isn't any other kind of cell in the body, and there is no technology
developed in the world that can detect a single photon.
If we have that, what does that mean? It means that by design, most of our vision
has the ability to detect and respond to the invisible.
Then you say, well, where does choice take place? The system is choiceless.
It detects at a level that is so subtle that it's making sure that we survive.
That's called intuition, something that most of us think is just some sort of
philosophical something. It isn't. Our bodies are continually adjusting themselves very gradually
to what is coming so that in each moment, we are totally there.
Now, we call that presence. Again, we think, oh, you need to be more, you need to do this,
to be more. What I'm sharing is our natural makeup is continually bringing us
into a state of oneness with the cosmos. Why?
So that life can move us in the miraculous way that it moves everything else that we think we
can explain, but we keep learning each year that our explanation wasn't quite right.
That's the beauty of living over time is that all of those answers, I'll say in quotations
for anyone just listening, they're not answers at all. There's sand that flows right through
the hands. There is literally nothing there. Even science, and science is a beautiful gift,
but science isn't made up of facts, even though most people think it is. It's made up of theories.
Theories and science make sure that they are
as accurate as we can get in the moment, but it's a theory. Another word for theory
is hypothesis, concept, idea, belief. All those words mean something similar.
You know, what word means the opposite of theory or belief? Truth.
So we talk about beliefs and changing beliefs and all that.
Beliefs are transitory undulations of life.
They're not truths. Truths,
they're always there. And for me, I love not knowing.
It's sort of like
if there's just a lot of space when this space isn't filled and
people have no idea
often what it is I'm referring to, because I've spoken in public a lot,
and sometimes the person that's going to interview me starts talking to me before and says,
what are you going to talk about tonight? I said, I don't have the slightest idea.
He said, what do you mean? This is your title. What are you going to talk about?
I said, what do you talk about before you meet someone?
Well, until I meet them, I don't know what we're going to talk about exactly.
I said, well, how would I know until I meet the people coming this evening?
So I frequently stand at the entrance to the building
and notice that I say hello and connect with people as they come in.
They have no idea who I am. I have no idea who they are, but
something happens as they're coming in and I feel myself gently being moved
in exactly the direction I need to go.
And then it drives by itself. It's a self-driving vehicle. And it's only when it's driving
driving by itself that you have the opportunity to experience the miraculousness
of how we are designed and how different it is
from most everything we've ever been taught or learned.
Exactly. So that's such a good quote there. I love not knowing.
You said no one except Jacob Lieberman, because it's the most terrifying thing ever
that, like you said, if we've got our survival programming all active all the time,
which is most of the people, and that's not a criticism or a takedown of any kind,
then you're always trying to anticipate so that you could know,
so that you could be safe and survive. And that all happens unconsciously.
So most people's terror is not knowing. Could I share a short story with you on this exact
subject? I'd love it.
So this summer I had a series of accidents, and it was one after the other, I think five
in total, and they left me handicapped for a time.
Literally lost use of my hands, even through my back out. My body was just like it was kind of over.
And I did a lot of work, and I healed from that, and I came a long way.
And then I was left with this blank slate, and I had no idea how I was going to come back
into my world again. And this is not a new experience. I have had this experience
periodically throughout my life, some bigger than others. And I knew for a fact that if I got into
doership and started whipping up some, oh, I could do, because I have no shortage of ideas.
Those are backlogged for a lot of lifetimes already. I could just have pulled something out,
thrown the spaghetti at the wall, see how it goes, just keep going. But I knew by now
that I need that to come from an authentic place, not just this drive, okay, I have to go be somebody
again and do something and earn a living and all of this kind of stuff. So instead of doing that,
I went inside and I did the inner work. I released my fear of not knowing.
I allowed my whole world to dissolve. If that was, you know, if it was the end of my body,
of my work, of everything, I'd let myself completely die to all of that. And what's on the other side
of it was enormous fire of inspiration. And the desire actually to, and this goes along
with what you're saying, the desire to speak to the people in my community. So I started reaching
out and I started having unscripted conversations and discovering where they were at. And because
without that feedback, I couldn't read the field. The field is one, but all I knew was nothing
at that point. And so out of those organic conversations, all of this creative energy
started flowing through me. And it's exactly like you say, I can't sit back and say I did that.
It's just literally pouring out of me and taking form and shape.
And you're much younger now.
Right. Thank you. I feel that, actually. I do.
Oh, it's more than a feeling. It's so obvious.
Literally, our biological age or the process of aging is now replaced by saging.
And there's a very different impact. It's not one of deterioration. It's one of enlightenment
and enlivenment. It's just moving us in ways that are so difficult to speak about this, Beth, you know,
we were trained to read because, and when I was a kid, because you had to read to learn. Now,
reading only confirms what you already know. If you don't know it already, you won't see it.
On the page. Right.
Reading is not the way one learns. One learns through movement. Nice.
So if an infant, the reason creeping and crawling and all these things are so important
to the development of a child is that all of the connections in their body
with movement is what provides our sense of knowing.
And it's a knowing by heart.
So we've been trained that you've got to read and that the real facts of life are done by scientific
studies and gold standard studies that appear reviewed evidence based all this terminology.
That's one way in which one searches for truth.
There's another way that precedes it is fully natural.
And actually what always tells the scientists where to look next.
And that is direct experience. The mystic
doesn't know because he read a book or he did a study. The knowing which is not personal
comes from all of a sudden finding yourself there.
Exactly.
And what's fascinating for me as someone who has had the pleasure of speaking in front of a
child is you get an opportunity to have a direct experience of something we call genius.
Which we think, oh, that's Einstein or that's somebody with a lot of degrees. Oh,
they're a genius. But the word genius, the original meaning is guiding spirit.
It is what comes through when the mind is empty.
So not knowing is the opportunity to discover directly that something is moving us. Something
is speaking us. Something all of a sudden comes to us while we're having dinner in a restaurant
and we're scratching notes on a napkin because it's like, oh my God, where did this come from?
And then of course the next day we say, well, let me tell you what I thought of.
No, no, we didn't think it up. Inspiration comes to us. It is from that guiding spirit
and that is what directs us in one direction or another
and then starts moving. And that's part of our reason for being, part of what we are here to share.
And I like experimenting. What does that mean? There's an inquisitiveness
without any sense of where it's going or what's going to come from it. It's just an inquisitiveness,
something natural. And as you can see, we could talk about these things forever and ever and ever.
Isn't it fascinating how it really is beyond words? It's different, but because of our one field
and our shared experience, which is not quite the right word either,
then we could talk about this all day and every day and never get tired of it.
And we'd actually never get to it either. Give you an example.
You go to an Italian restaurant and you're looking at the menu
and you see pizza.
And you think that that pizza is a pizza, but you know, it doesn't have a damn thing to do
with that 12-inch, crispy, incredibly smelling something they bring to the table.
And then when you bite into it, you realize that there's no word in the world that can
describe what you just had. Or you connect with someone.
All of a sudden, each of you disappear and all there is is one something.
And we call it falling in love or words can in no way capture what's essential.
And we use words. We came up with them because the language center of the brain,
it's called Broca's region or Broca's area of the left hemisphere,
that's that voice we hear inside all the time. And it's attempting to describe something
it's never actually experienced.
The direct experience is profound. And I remember I was giving a talk somewhere once
and I shared something about a experience I had in the 70s where my vision opened up
and they said, oh, you had an out of body experience. I know what that is.
And it was sort of shocking to me
that they put a name on it and they know what that is.
Whatever they know might be very significant for them, but has absolutely nothing to do with whatever I
experienced. And I guess the essence of what I'm attempting to share is we spend a lot of
time talking about these things, reading about these things. And we think it's the same thing.
As the direct experience and I have I find that they it's almost nothing in common.
There's something about coming from that place inside that occurs effortlessly.
And I can't imagine we could write books about it, but never actually touch it because
I don't know how to speak about it. I hope people can hear what I can't say because
you hope that something is being shared. And I think what's being shared
is our vulnerability, our sweetness, our authentic nature.
That's so beautiful. Another great quote. I hope people can hear what I can't say.
And I was noticing as you're talking how it's true, words have literally nothing in common
with what they are referring to. And the more you know that, the more freely the words come,
I notice. And then they have medicinal value. When the words come by themselves,
they carry something that has medicinal value. It can
touch the cells in our being and transform something.
Boy, even though words can't do it, I'm loving this conversation we're having.
Me too. So, so much. I knew it was going to be a real treat.
The vulnerability, the sweetness, that really is the authentic nature. Like you said earlier, how
we adopted personas, versions of ourselves that maybe we thought were necessary or asked of us,
or we decided, oh, I'll get more love if I'm like this, or I'll be safer if I get that,
or if I'm like that. And that's the jail.
We're a bundle of conditioned reflexes that are reflexively responding in a way
that we hope will be appreciated, accepted, liked, come up with the right answer.
There's so many places where this shows up, and authenticity
is what is captured in the original work of an artist.
Now, most of our world is not made up of original work.
Most of it is, oh, I'd like a signed lithograph. I'd like a chiclet. Can I get a CD?
Those reproductions, even though they sound and look just like the original.
One is a robot, and the other is something delicious that you like to hug.
That's definitely different. Yeah, and so authenticity
is a miraculous moment where creation comes through in its first
manifestation, if you want to call it. It comes literally from nothingness, something erupts.
And you say, oh my god.
And we cannot make it that way. It must occur by itself.
Exactly. Because the more you try to make it, the more layers you're putting in between you
and that birthing from nothing. Yeah, and it's, and I would share with our listeners, please
don't believe a word I'm saying. But if something inside of you seems to feel a little excited,
do an experiment and see what occurs next time what you call a thought comes up,
and you're aware of it. Close your eyes for a second and just allow that in.
My whole life, I thought I was the thoughts that I called mine, because it's my mind.
Well, what if it's not my mind? What if it's the mind that is the archives of everything
that has preceded us? What if that mind that there's something within us that is aware of it?
That's why we are aware when the chatter is happening.
We're not the chatter that we're aware of any more than we are the television program
that we are watching from the couch.
Those moments are really profound. When we notice them, allow ourselves to be impacted by, oh my god,
because that experience dissolves an idea
that has no basis in fact. And it's so important
to begin to notice because awareness is curative.
And that is where the brain is continually rewiring itself.
The neuroplastic changes in the brain, we think, are related to playing the piano 20 minutes every day.
Yes, you can get brain changes from repetition, but the moment you stop the repetition,
they start going the other way. So if you don't go to the gym anymore, your biceps will get smaller.
That isn't real neuroplasticity to me. I like change that happens without doing
and remains and continually grows without doing. And that is what occurs with awareness.
The seeing mechanism, which is way beyond the eyes,
has an awareness of something.
And when that awareness occurs, it can change everything.
It's incredibly profound. And you know, being a survivor,
you know that you had many awarenesses that people try to get by going to a workshop.
Not that there's anything wrong with the workshop, but as the expression goes,
there's nothing like the real thing, baby. And so it's only when you're in it
that these awarenesses come that are revelations. And with that,
the body can sometimes transform something in ways we can't even begin to imagine.
And you know, we call them spontaneous remissions, but my sense is that these spontaneous remissions,
which are a new level of creation occur not when the mind is in first gear or second gear or third
gear or fourth gear, but is in that space in between the gears.
In that other level of awareness of that, which is noticing mind,
profound things can happen then.
That's beautiful. One of the most important things that I picked up from you early on was
it's in your book, Luminous Life. And I think you said it as well. And you've been pointing
towards it the whole time is that there are things in your life on a regular ongoing basis
that are trying to capture your attention, whether that's a young child who needs breakfast or
somebody you're working for your own stomach or some interruption or bad news or something like that.
Being guided all the time.
Right, exactly. And the tendency is that we block that need to capture and we're like,
no, not now. I need to focus. Get away from me. Resistance. Oh, don't feel that. Or I can put that
off. And your method is really reversing the flow, which is exactly what I found to work in the real
world because the idea is not the thing that we're talking about. And so I've spent a lot
more time allowing things to fully capture my attention since I've met you and always to the
most beautiful end. I never regret, oh, why did I give that extra attention to somebody who needed
my help or whatever it was. It's always so beautiful. And speak about how it guides you
if that's what you were going to do. It was something that was brewing and
something just became empty.
That's okay. I blew your mind.
Of course you did. There's no question about that. And you keep doing that. Shame on you.
So when you began speaking about this last piece, do that beginning again.
Right. That principle of how when things are trying to capture your attention.
Ah, got it. Thank you. So you know, we have these expressions that we hear
and we think, oh, that's somebody really came up with an interesting expression,
but it's just an expression like it caught my eye.
Now, most people think that the eyes are meant for looking. And so
people make assumptions that you're looking for something,
but that isn't actually the way it works at all.
The eyes are continually moving because things are continually grabbing them.
They're not looking for something. They're seeing what is looking for them.
And it's not my method. You said, oh, that your method.
What for me is impactful is when something occurs in my life
and all of a sudden a revelation occur. Oh my God, it caught my eye.
And because the eyes 95% of the retinal cells are designed to see the invisible,
catching your eye doesn't mean your eyes have to be open.
And your physical eyes. Many years ago, I was doing an event in Arizona,
and I noticed one of the participants walked in
and it was obvious that they had some sort of vision issue that was significant
because they had one of those canes that usually indicate that there's some loss of vision.
And I saw them and I immediately got up and asked them if I could take them by the arm
and bring them to a chair. And so I sat them right next to me.
They didn't know who I was and I had never met them before.
And I was sharing about my work with light and color and so on.
And this lady would be considered legally blind.
Couldn't see, you know, was walking with a cane and so on. And she shared that she
had left school because of the disability, but then as an adult decided to go back and get her degree.
So a few months after that event, I get a letter from this lady.
And her name means Angel.
And she had been working with a color therapy device that I had developed.
Even though her eyes couldn't perceive color.
And she said some profound things are happening.
And she says, let me share. Every day I walked the same route to class
which I had to learn and then feel safe walking to get to class.
And I have felt for a long time like I'm at a loss because I can't see what's going on.
And the other morning I was walking on the path to class
and all of a sudden something stopped me in my tracks.
And I just stayed there.
And all of a sudden I realized something I had never realized in my life.
And she said, I noticed that all the trees and all the plants were looking at me.
And it wasn't my imagination.
They were totally aware of me.
And all of a sudden I realized I don't need to be the one always looking
life is continually also looking for me.
And she said that was life changing.
So this piece about
what knocks on our doors looking for us.
Life will find us no matter where we are.
And it is very profound because when something catches the eye
it reflexively involuntarily moves the eyes toward it.
And depending on where it is it will then without any effort move the body so that the body is an alignment.
And that connection which you and I are experiencing at this moment is called presence.
And presence as my old friend Ram Dass would say is like baklava.
It includes everything he said the phyllo dough, the honey, the nuts.
And it even includes all those moments when you think you're not present.
Presence is everything.
So what's catching our eye is looking for us guiding us on the next step of our journey.
So
I see a dish in the sink.
There's usually never a dish in the sink but I'm just making this up.
A dish is in the sink.
I clean it, I rinse it, I either put it on the dish drain or I dry it and I put it back.
A bill comes, I take care of it.
Nothing keeps getting put off.
I got out of bed, let the bed air out a little bit and then you make the bed nicely.
You respond to an email or you put in there unsubscribed if it's stuff that you don't want to
receive and so something keeps grabbing our attention.
Why? Why does it catch our eye in that moment?
Oh it's just a coincidence.
No, no, no, no, no, no coincidences in biology and in life.
Timing is everything.
Every movement of our physiology is in a precise timing.
Not, we couldn't make it precise enough by doing it.
It's already designed at a level way beyond anything we can imagine
because everything depends on it.
Not only within the body, our biology, but the experience of life is the biology of the cosmos
and that biology is animated by the same timing and so
for me this piece about what's catching my eyes looking for me and guiding me is sacred.
It's not just some good idea, it's something that has stayed with me since I first had that
awareness when my children were very young and now they're very full grown adults.
So it's been a very long time.
I'm talking about 40-something years and it's remained with me and people say to me,
well do you meditate and I said no but my life is my meditation.
What do you mean?
Well the practice of meditation is a beautiful practice that was part of my life at a certain point
and each person must see what it is that moves them.
I said right now what I notice is that for me what the practice of meditation allowed me to experience
was that I was the observer, not the mind.
I was that which was aware of all of this
and then what really inspired me was how about the other 23 hours and 40 minutes
because I noticed I couldn't seem to maintain my meditative state after the meditation
and so what this what's catching your eyes looking for you is literally what's
catching your eyes your mantra and it's continually moving us whatever it is and I let it take me.
And that's so much more fun than chasing a state because to me that's that's what
happens with meditation is that you you reach some experience of bliss or happiness or whatever
you call it and then you go oh there I am that's what I want and you spend the rest of your life
trying to get that and the more you chase it the less you likely experience it it's almost
like it literally pushes that away and what you're describing is more of generosity of spirit is
always the phrase that comes to mind when when you allow yourself to generously include
things in your awareness rather than deny them push them away say actually get away
and and you take it it's it's it is literally guiding you I in some ways I can't recommend
my methods I feel because they're not methodical I do rely on this that the right thing comes to
my attention at the right time and the accuracy of that can be staggering where it's just
like once pain it's unbelievable and we can totally live without mind chatter
that's what I hear most of the time
but let me say it differently it is rare that I'm aware of any noise there
and and that is our natural state that isn't something I came up with or I did or there's a way
no no no no it is our natural state so you mentioned generosity
generosity
is one aspect of inclusivity
in a life that is inclusive
needn't be any mind that is making a demarcation this is okay this isn't there's something inside
of us that does all of that at levels we can't even begin to imagine it's absolutely profound
and it's taking care of itself all the time and I recently did a couple of podcasts with
people in the financial world and I said why the hell are they contacting me I'm not a financial
analyst and so on and um somewhere in the conversation something about philanthropy came up
and I said you see when we think of philanthropy we think of some person who
has a lot of assets making a financial donation to someone in need or some organization that needs
some support and I said that's one aspect of philanthropy
but if that's the definition there's only a very small percentage of philanthropists
I said I like being a philanthropist of love that's open to everyone
everyone
their love is continually pouring out and when we allow that to be as it is
it touches people in ways that money cannot
it is so profound so very profound just seeing each other is miraculous
not seeing each other as the other but seeing each other as a mere image reflection of ourselves
and each of us have a different journey
I don't know why
you know there's so many these very quick expressions that we hear these days
and some part of me wants when I hear them to say how do you know that
you know from where from where in your direct experience did that come
because that's what I really want to know what's what's the journey that took you there
you know it doesn't make any difference to me if this person said it or this person said it
perhaps they shared it because that was their direct experience
but that doesn't naturally become my direct experience unless it does in some way and so
yeah there's there's so much to this process of allowing
that can truly awaken and you know people say to me
well what do you do these days I said well you know other than interviews or talks I
mentor a small group of people well what do you do well I'd include this this and this
well what do you actually do for them are you like a coach I said no
are you a therapist no I'm not a therapist I'm just a human being
and at times in our life
when we're in a place we've not been before and maybe feel a little jittery about that
it would be nice if we could hold our parents hands or our close friends hands
or our partners hands or our children's hands if we could just hold a hand for a little while
so we don't feel all alone in there and I said
the people that reach out to me
it's just we found ourselves walking on the same path
and enjoy the conversation and I said and I can't tell you exactly what happens
but just connecting
at an authentic level
as I used to say when I used to train doctors
don't work with anyone you don't love when when I
when someone wants to work with me I also have to check in am I the best person
or at least a good person for them to work with
and I have to really look at that because
you know each year we went through school we got different teachers
each one specialized in whatever that was at that point in life and so
these are the things that are important to me
and because I find myself in my work really befriending
this person and
and I receive so much
from that relationship one of my
current clients is a 90 and a half year old incredibly wise woman
and it's unbelievable the things she shares that really impact me
because
I've lost my parents and many of my closest friends
and it's so nice to have an elderly sage
that has walked the walk and learned a lot
and I love to just be able to just be there
with them for them and allow them to be there
with me and for me
that's beautiful I love that I have a similar thing
and I teach this to when I train coaches and help people build services
that they actually have to love their people that they're working for
because otherwise it's not sustainable it's not it's not something that both people will be able to grow and feed on
it's not enough for me to just earn money and work with someone I don't
have affection for
and like what you said very early on in the beginning that awareness is curative and and then it's the awareness with love
that
that cures
and I've got a whole language and lexicon about that and I do I do teach in a lot of detail
around how to
deprogram this just my language for for this process but
at the very end it's exactly the same that if you can reverse
because otherwise we have a strong aversion to something or we have a strong attachment both of those are not love
right that they disregard love it's trying to get the thing or put the thing away
and but but when you come to just the pure awareness
from a loving place
then that that really is
the cure
and and the last
mm-hmm pure awareness
is naturally loving right exactly um
I really appreciate you
likewise
yeah I um
um what I am appreciating
is the maturity
that we are sharing with each other
based on
living life
with all of its ups and downs
all of its
great moments all of its difficulties
and here we are
and um it's nice
for me
to meet someone
who is doing not only
sharing your love and wisdom
in the way that you do
but just having such a sense that
there's a knowing that resides within you
um
and you're so inspired
to share it because
life wants you to share it
and I just I don't know exactly what I'm saying right now but
I appreciate you
thank you Jacob that means so much to me
that's beautiful
believe me it means
to me as well
mm-hmm how amazing
yeah it's this is
this is the life that
you know when I talk to people
when I got out and um
heard from them
they said to me that
given what's
going on in the world
what's happened to us especially
in the last six years
you know the increasing
chaos the increasing absurdity
the increasing encroachment
on people's well-being
not just
you know it's this isn't light stuff
that we're dealing with that they've found it
more and more difficult to
actually vision
and to answer
I always have this this my
golden question I didn't create but
came from one of my past teachers
just to finish the sentence
wouldn't it be nice if
they couldn't do it
because of the
heaviness of what's going on
as a
there is um
um
so much divisiveness
by design
a lack of kindness
just simple kindness
and
seeing
meanness
in a way that I've not
seen it before
you know I'm
I'm working on
a memoir
yeah and
I share
an experience I had
as a seven year old boy
I don't know if you know this
but I was born in Havana Cuba
oh no
my parents escaped
Eastern Europe
in the 1920s
this is before Hitler
and
ended up
escaping as children
ending up in Cuba
wow
and my sister and I were born in Cuba
and I came to the
states when I was seven
and a couple of months
after we were here my father
received some sort of a notification
that we had to go
to the American Embassy
or something in downtown Miami
so we went
I was a seven year old kid
I was wearing shorts
a little shirt and little high top leather shoes
that were common at that time
and um
I understood some English
and I'm there
and this man comes out
of the office
shakes my father's hands
and they start talking about something
somewhere in the process
I just looked up
and the man looked down
at the same moment
and he says
your name
and I said
Jacob
in Spanish
but
he maybe
didn't know what the word was
so he said
boy or girl
said
boy
how do you know
I pulled down my shorts
the whole
place starts laughing
like hell
the man reaches his
hand out to my father
and says
welcome to America
why do I share this
story
yes it's cute
the innocence of a little boy
but the reason I shared it
is
that's the way I was welcomed
into America
with laughter
love welcome to America
and
you were talking about
what's happening in the world right now
and the discomfort
of things and
one of them is the way
we treat others
who we say
are different
they're not different
we're all the same
on some level
and so I
shared that because
wow
how did we get here
we're rather than
welcoming people
we're mean to them
and we do things that are
I don't know
painful even to just
mentally think of
so
while this is going on
it allows
us to see the importance
of everything you and I have been
sharing over the last
hour and a half or so
on a
Instagram post
that I recorded with my son
who's visiting
he was talking
about it's no longer about
you and me
now it's about
we
right I saw that actually
and
it's like so
important that we
see each other
you know and are not afraid to say
I love what you're doing
or
it doesn't make any difference
we've been so corralled
into
oh no you can't say that
or you can't say it
and it's like
we must allow
ourselves to be moved
from that
pure awareness which is
pure unconditional
love
why
because that goodness
is the most
contagious thing in the world
and we
really need
to have it spread
everywhere
and this is something we
want to spread
without any masks
indeed
yeah that's really beautiful
that it's an art
to appreciate
and you know the
problem is that when you see
somebody's beauty
somebody's greatness somebody
something that because of the
persona that we've worn
and we compare it against
you know what we're seeing
compared to who we
think we are feel we are
and then we don't match up
or we're less than or it reminds
us that there's work to do
or something like that then
we don't see people at all
you know I watch this about myself
that when they say something about themselves
I'm always very ready
to say something about myself
and I'm learning to just
stop and like take it in more
and not
turn the attention back to me
in the process
and you know just to expand
and it's a
cliche but there's
always something to appreciate and then
there's always something to depreciate
as well
that will result in division
you know right now
division is like
the
currency of
dysfunction and
you know if you want to call it evil in the world
they love that stuff
they love it when we're
having our petty problems
and you know getting into a
and
risking being
ourselves which is really
the not love
part
you know
want to share with you a little bit
you could call a day in the life
this is something
that occurred couple weeks
ago
most of this year
I've been dealing
with a pinched nerve in my
neck that
has caused
the
most excruciating
pain you can imagine
in my shoulder
and
one evening after dinner
the pain started
to come up
and all of a sudden I had this feeling
I wanted to take myself out for an
ice cream cone
so
I said to my wife
Deborah I'm going to go into
paella which is a little town
nine miles away
that has a health food
store and a little
ice cream shop that has regular
ice cream and also has
non-dairy ice cream which was
quite good
so I rode down
there
I got an ice cream
cone and I'm sitting on
a bench on the sidewalk
just in front of the window
of the shop
and I'm licking my ice cream
cone
and all of a sudden somebody walks
by I see feet
and then I see some little feet
and I look up
and it's a young
woman maybe she's 33
34
caring who I assumed
was her daughter
who was maybe
4 years old maybe 4
and a half
and out of my mouth comes
hey
and she turns around and I said
would it be okay with you
if I bought you and your daughter
an ice cream cone
and she looks at me like
I'm crazy she says
excuse me and they keep going
across the street
and then a few minutes later
they come back
and they
sort of walk by
and I said
did you wonder why
I wanted to buy
you and your daughter an ice cream cone
she nods her head
I said I'm going to tell
you why
I said you're a wonderful mother
she looks at me
you know almost to say
well how would you know
and I said
and I know from great moms
I said I had a great mom
and I said
I am a great mom
and it's the most
difficult job in the world
and also
the most rewarding
and I felt like I got the
Nobel Prize
when my daughter
around the age of 4
would frequently call me
mommy
and I felt like oh my god
what's more important
than being a wonderful mommy
she called me mommy
oh my god
I thought I'd been blessed
in every way
and I said
and when you walk by
carrying your daughter
I knew you were a wonderful mom
and I wanted to thank you
he said great
we'll take the ice cream
so I got them two cones
of ice cream and they walked on
and I sat and I finished
my ice cream and then I got up
and I walked to the right
about 20 feet
I was going to walk across the street
to the health food store
and there was a couple
looking at the menu
in the window
of a little restaurant
and I said
the food in there is quite good
I said and
when you finish
don't forget to go next door
and get yourself an ice cream cone
and the guy turns around
he says why
I said I just
have a strong feeling that you deserve it
and he smiled
and all of a sudden
a conversation ensues
and within a couple seconds
after he's asked me
do I live there and so on
he asks a question
that sounds like
he wants to know what side
of the political spectrum
I lean toward
I heard his question
and something responded
but it didn't respond
on either side
it responded right down the middle
he had sort of a odd
look on his face
and a few minutes later
another question comes
which was similar
but different to the original question
but the response was also
different but also right down
the middle
and he says to me
you know I don't think I've ever
met anyone like you
I said well if you stick around
Maui you'll probably meet
a lot of people like me
and then we start talking
and he says where did you get that hat
and I was wearing a baseball cap
that had the name
Makawau which is a little town
very near my home
and it was a light blue color
similar to my eyes
and he says I love
Makawau
it's one of my favorite little areas of the island
and I love that
that blue color
I said well that's great
because I'm going to tell you exactly where I got it
just go up there in the morning
because they're closed now
and you'll be able to find one
they have a few more
he says ah shucks
I said what's the ah shucks about
he said we're flying out
early in the morning
I said that's fantastic
and he said what do you mean it's fantastic
I won't be able to buy the hat
I said you're right
but it's going to allow me
to have the pleasure of giving you mine
see that one coming
he said to me
well I want to buy it from you
I said I appreciate that
but my hat is not for sale
I want to give you something
I said you already have
let me give you $20
I said thank you
but I don't need the $20
I want to have the full
pleasure of giving you my hat
so now that it's yours
and then he keeps insisting
he wants to give me $20
and then he said look
if you take this $20
then tomorrow
you can give someone else
this $20
and help someone else out
I said you make
a very good point
however
if I don't take the $20
then tomorrow each of us
will have our own $20
that we can give to help someone else
and
we'll get double the impact
and he said brother
I don't know who you are
but I love you
and he grabs me in his arms
he kisses me on top of the head
and then the next morning
I had the pleasure of buying myself
another baseball cap
at the same place
and sharing with the owner
how much happiness
their hat brought
and
it was very sweet
and all of a sudden
as I'm walking out with my new
cap
a gentleman is staring there
and
I'd never seen him before
and he had a cane
and he said
you're a very kind man
now
it wasn't anything about
me being a kind man
it was just like
I felt like this was a series
of dominoes
that one had tipped
and then
was endlessly going
with greater impact
and you know we think we have to do
all this big stuff to make an impact
in the world
these little small things
are life changing
exactly
the whole life is made up
of those incredibly magical
moments that I'm really glad
you're writing your memoir that's going to be a beautiful
thing to read and
they are important
those moments that are so easily
passed because they don't leave you
with a bad feeling
that lingers and then you got to work
through it
but I love also how you're saying
it one begets the next
and
this state is the most authentic
it is the easiest
way to be is
just kind of natural
it's natural
and
you see we've become so accustomed
to normal
that we don't realize
that normal is often
so unnatural
exactly
exactly you have multiple layers
of all kinds of things
I refer to them as
machinations and loops
and stations and everything that
make it appear
that that part of us isn't there
but it never does
actually go away which is amazing news
and
wow this has been a beautiful conversation
we're starting to come to the end of it now
I do have
some things that I'd like to share with people
just because it's a special day
for signing up for one of my courses
that this is
but I want to make sure
and you know if there's
a message that you feel is
busting out of you not that you haven't given
many really important ones
but if there's anything in addition
that you'd like to share
or any news and how people
can take you up on mentorship
or anything
people can find me
at jacobliberman.org
which is
on the screen
and
yeah what I would like
is everyone
to come a little closer
to their monitor
because I want to hug you all
oh yeah
I'm gonna just
hold you close to my heart
how sweet is that
and feel you holding me
and feel me holding you
and let's go out
and keep holding each other
yeah god bless you all
Beth thank you so much
for inviting me
I feel like a little kid
that's just had a lot of fun
at the park
and says can we do this again
yeah we can
100%
thank you for everything that you are
and everything that you are
gifting to the world
I am happy to
spend this
time together with you
and um
just wish you the
best 2026
you can imagine
on
the three single level
and most of all that you are
inundated with love
how beautiful is that
thank you so much jacob
this has been absolutely
just like the best
well
let's pass it on
pass it on exactly
hugs and kisses to everyone
yeah just
um
let's all go out
and um
be
just emissaries of something good
something sweet
something innocent
and you know
buy somebody a cup of coffee
do we have one more moment
we do yep as many as you like
this is a really cute
little thing that happened to me
I was
um at this coffee
shop I go to in the little town
of macawow
and I was standing
at the counter about to
put in my order
and something caught
my attention
my head turned to the right
and there was an elderly
lady with a gentleman who I
assume was her husband standing there
the husband
walked behind me
I imagine to one of the tables
and the lady
walked toward me
and stood right in front of
the little case
that had all the pastries
she's looking
and I leaned down
and I said which one
do you like
she points
to what looked like a coffee
cake at the bottom
all of a sudden the owner
Anthony says
how you doing today I said great
Anthony said you want your usual
I said yeah
he said 12 or 16 12 ounces
fine with a little cinnamon
oh Anthony please
would you take
and slice a generous
piece of that coffee cake
for this young lady
she says
you can't do that
and I said
you wouldn't take away
my pleasure would you
and she said well
I wouldn't want to do that
she says but I'm married
and I said
I'm married too but I don't think
this is cheating
yeah
that's the kind of stuff
that I experience happening
every day
the story will never
leave me
it's going to be in the memoir
along with many other things
but I'm sharing it with
you
because the most
innocent moments can be
the most profound
excellent
and you don't have to be rich
in order
to share this level
of
philanthropy
become a philanthropist of love
and we'll all be
helping to
heal everything that
ails us
that's beautiful
a fabulous balance of your
holiday
and a wonderful new years
love and thank you Jacob
thank you so much
and pass that on to Deborah as well
I will I will
okay fantastic
love you so much I will definitely be
in touch with you
I'd love to send you a copy of my book as a gift by the way
I would love to have a copy
of anything that you're doing
very good
alright well I'll definitely
be in touch
okay love you so much
love you too
thank you
bye for now
aww that was nice
how beautiful
you guys that was
that was so sweet
aww man
deep breath
what a lovely injection
into the
the space I know there was someone who said
oh I'm gonna
they might have gone off and waited to listen at double time
but honestly the space is
as
what's the word valuable as
the words
between the spaces
and that's why I know
or I knew that Jacob was going to be
a wonderful guest today
and the whole time felt like a meditation thank you
I'm getting it I'm having a loss
for words now so you just filled in the blank there
and yes you
can buy my if you're talking about
my book from Europe and Jacob Lieberman's
books are all on Amazon so you can
find those from Europe as well
absolutely and
so I don't forget I wanted to let
you guys know that my course called
creator code which is teaching
people how to pick themselves up
from a blank slate
and you know when
Jacob was saying how he
loves the unknown how did it
what was his phrase something
that most people
just don't love something to that effect
anyway I took a lot of notes here
and so this is
a system that I've always used
when I get into
a place of things
falling apart and dissolving and like I said
I've been through that so many times in my life
sometimes bigger than others
and it is very
Jacob and I talked a little bit before the interview
too and he's very aware
of that getting older right there's
there's so many losses
like he said people important people
to him and
you know the more you've lived
the more things you're going to go through
the more you're going to suffer the more
that
toxicity is going to accumulate in one way
or another
and so the ultimate
way to use that and not just
get bitter as you
as you grow or grow older
is
to let it humble you and to let it take you
into that place of the unknown
and to hold
a high standard for how you're going
to come back because we always
come back one way or another even if the body
is gone I do believe there is always
an ongoing
something and so this course
creator code was created
expressly in that place
coming from the absolute
unknown where I really didn't have
a clue and then
something came from nothing
out of connection connection
is a very big part of this course I actually
wrote a great email yesterday just describing
all of the ways that
the group work is very unique
and organic not because
I instructed or engineered I couldn't
have ever engineered it
it happens organically because
people are taking the risk
to put themselves out there to
allow things to capture
their attention that otherwise
might be easy to distract away
from push away think of it
as an annoyance or
an interruption this
is exactly reversing that direction
allowing everything
inside and outside to capture
your attention to show
you where you are
losing energy
where there's interlopers in the form
of programming which are not creatures
by the way that made it sound like that
but that there's
unnecessary layers between
you and that creative
spirit that naturally wants to flow through
it just does
it's a force and it's a beautiful thing
extremely
connective anyway so today thank you
Jack you always appreciate you saying that
and thank you Kyram
okay Ramon 11 I got your name right
and
so today is the day that
the early bird ends now that's not
the end because we don't start until
January 14th but the course is filling
in fact today I caught
I had set the numbers a little bit lower
than I anticipated and
so I have opened up a few more
spots that are available
and today is the day when
it's the best value which I always want
for people for some reason maybe
the nurturer in me
wants to make it the easiest possible to get
through a door
and so this is a 12 week course
where we are going on a journey
of learning to create
from a place of rather than
like Jacob was saying
the fear behind perfectionism
but to actually create something
from freedom
and what the difference is
he was trying to describe it you can see
it's kind of indescribable sometimes
it's like almost looking
backwards and going like oh that
just happened and that just
happened and that just got done
and I feel like I didn't move
and this is
the time when
if you feel like you can't
vision and create
that's when you must
but if you try to do it from fear
you're going to get all kinds of fear responses
just like the sirens are reflecting
in the background there's something big going on today by the way
wow I've had to mute a lot for a sirens
and
when it just comes through you
and you're just the vessel
and the vehicle that God is breathing through
and creating through
then to me this is
this is the antidote
to what we're facing
if enough of us do it
so I have a totally hidden agenda
that if enough of us
empty of
all of the
you know the loops and the stations
and the insides and the outsides and the personas
that keep us separate from one another
and focused on
the division
you know I love Jacob I could have
not hosted him based on
you know when
when he was on
2020
we saw that oh he believed in the virus
and there was all this kind of thing
I could have you know
not very much older version of me
or younger version of me
might have said no because of that
but I'm like why wouldn't
I include him in my awareness
why wouldn't I share his work
with the people that are
the most important to me that's you guys
you know maybe
maybe he's like off on this
or that but it really doesn't
at the end of the day
matter there's still there's still something
about your people and being around
and you know it might not take very
long for me to shoot my mouth off
and I don't know
what is the worst thing that could happen
with Jacob he seems to be this beautiful
soul
but anyway the
point being that we can create
and we can't do it in a vacuum
that's the problem
if we're on our own
and struggling and thinking
that we're the only ones going through
our things
and struggling and suffering on our own
it's not very creative
it's not a place where you can
that's why for me when I was
totally you know broken down
handicapped thinking everything's over
my first step after
doing the inner work
that bubbled up in me in
a truly inspired way was
reaching out and talking
with my community
so this is the level that creation takes place
at
creator code is facilitating that
people are going to get their own
pods to work with
people that they will
practice tools and techniques
with that they will
get accountability from
and be able to share their experience
and help everybody move along
together because we move along
together more easily
than just one at a time so that's my secret
agenda with creative code
it is a place to get the tools
of deprogramming is a place
to learn to work with archetypes and become
a pattern hunter so that you're
not lost for long
we all get lost we all have
fall downs and breakdowns
but we don't have to stay there
that long for it to teach us
what it's trying to
capture our attention about
so that's a lot of words
anyway I think
thank you Michelle I've noticed that you were
sharing my link for me which is very handy
I didn't even need to go get it
so Michelle shared it out thank you
and I'm looking forward to having you in the course she's already
signed up so that's pretty amazing
and
like I said today at midnight I'm not
specifying which midnight so it's going to be
your midnight
that the early
bird is on it will disappear
tomorrow this is the first time I'm
offering this course ever even though
the work is not new to me I'm
literally teaching something I've used my entire
life but never thought to teach
until you told me but
yeah the
what was I going to say about that
interrupted myself my mind
is blown I blew
Jacob's mind and I blew my own mind
so what was I going to say anyway so that
was
anyone remember what I was going to say
embarrassing
well alright my dears maybe I'm
out of words for right now
but let's see what
if I give you any guidance you could
go to my website Beth Martens.com
or you could just click at this link
in the chat if you're here live
it's in the notes if you wanted to
see more about it learn more about it
this is something that somebody asked
me that had never been part of my courses
or coaching before and they were
they couldn't imagine how it was going to
take place it's kind of like Jacob describing
that he's in the group and somebody's trying to
like just but what do you do are you coaching
are you something and I will use words
like coaching and teaching just to give people
half a clue but that doesn't really
describe it so someone said like
is there you know a sample of your work
I can see somewhere so I put together
a video that is
a combination of
me teaching and coaching
and guiding and instructing
I was saying
it's the first time oh something the first time
I'll come back to that
so there's this video now 25 minutes
compilation of different
aspects of my work being actually
demonstrated so if that would help you
then I
didn't post it you can put your hand up
for it maybe I will post it on this page
that I've got on the on the screen
and
so it's the first time thank you Jackie
this is the first time I'm running this course
and therefore being a beta run
first of all it's half the investment
that it's going to be and second of all
in exchange for those savings
I am asking for feedback
so as we go
those people who are here in the first
creator code ever are going to be
helping to make it
better for the future people to come
that makes you a creator of
creator code if that excites you at all
that excites me of course
and then
so that's going to be really fun just to
get the constant feedback as we go along
so thank you Jackie
for reminding me what I was going to say
that helped a lot
alright my dears I am around
for the rest of the day if anyone has questions
or wants to reach out
these can be big decisions I know
some of the people that are walking through the door
it's monumental for them
there's something they know
they know that change is coming
there is
enormous potential for
transformation if that's
desired and wanted and really
you don't necessarily
need to desire the transformation
but the desire for freedom
that's the part that gets you through those
big doors so do reach out
if you wanted to connect
with me thanks for tuning in
find
Jacob Lieberman again at
jacoblieberman.org
and
let's see if there's any other
links there's his
Instagram since he mentioned that
and his contact you can reach him
they're very approachable
him and I didn't realize Deborah was his wife
that's a woman that I've always been working with
and I'm not going to post this
email because that's kind of evil
for the bots out there
to pick it up but you can reach him at info
at jacoblieberman.org
at the same thing and at
his website so alright that's it
I got all those words out oh my goodness
my mind is blown I hope your mind is blown too
I love you guys the next interview
that I'm doing is going to be
Killie Curado he is
a London ex-police
officer who has been through
an incredible journey
he witnessed huge corruption
he tried to come up against
that huge corruption
and he's paid the price
I honestly don't know why he picked me
as a place to come
and tell this story but I'm honored
and I am going to be hosting him
that's in a few days
I guess January 5th
does that make it next week?
probably does make a week today
and that's going to be a really
really interesting interview
I don't know maybe it's a PSYOP
or something I don't think so
I don't get that sense of it
he's very sincere we had a long conversation
and yeah
so that's pretty exciting
and
anything else coming up I might have missed it
but for today that early bird
for creator code is going to be ending
and I think frankly I think the course
is going to fail today because I can see
there's enough people
that I don't want to make it super big
I mean I want to work more
together a little bit more intimate
with those who are joining
because this is flying the plane
and creating it at the same time
which I'm demonstrating by the way
so okay well I think that's it
for now thank you all for joining
I appreciate that I'm going to
play us out with a piece
that my son created himself
speaking of creators
and I talk about him
more than I see him these days
because he has his own life
so I think that's all for now
lots of love and have a beautiful
rest of year
2025
see I don't even know what year it is
oh my goodness that's crazy
almost done with
2025
open to my brain
you're very welcome Alisa
alrighty
bye for now