WEBVTT

00:00.020 --> 00:05.400
This episode is sponsored by Zano, the privacy-based crypto we use right here at the Free Thought Project.

00:05.860 --> 00:09.500
While Bitcoin's been hijacked by surveillance exchanges and institutional control,

00:10.100 --> 00:15.240
Zano stays true to what crypto is supposed to be, private, peer-to-peer, and censorship-free.

00:15.720 --> 00:16.740
It's more than just a coin.

00:17.160 --> 00:23.660
Zano is a full-blown ecosystem, private transactions, atomic swaps, confidential assets, escrow trades,

00:24.100 --> 00:28.960
and even a decentralized marketplace where people are already buying and selling real goods and services,

00:28.960 --> 00:31.500
all without a third party looking over your shoulder.

00:31.940 --> 00:33.800
And unlike that fiat that you're forced to use,

00:34.200 --> 00:38.700
every Zano transaction burns a bit of the supply, making it deflationary over time.

00:39.120 --> 00:43.540
Imagine that, a cryptocurrency that gets more valuable than more people use it.

00:44.140 --> 00:50.500
And the best part? It just works. No KYC, no big brother, just a tool for people who actually value freedom.

00:50.960 --> 00:55.460
Zano, because the Free Thought Project doesn't just talk liberty, we transact with it.

01:01.160 --> 01:03.000
Governments should be afraid of people.

01:04.060 --> 01:11.060
No matter what anybody tells you, words and ideas can change the world.

01:15.780 --> 01:17.260
Ideas can change.

01:18.000 --> 01:22.800
An idea whose time has come cannot be destroyed by armies or governments.

01:23.160 --> 01:27.080
It's too pervasive, and we still have tools to spread the message.

01:27.080 --> 01:38.580
Welcome to the Free Thought Project Podcast,

01:39.700 --> 01:44.040
a hub for free-thinking conversations about the promotion of liberty

01:44.040 --> 01:46.900
and the daunting task of government accountability.

01:47.880 --> 01:53.180
Here are your hosts, Jason Basler, Matt Agarist, and Dawn Vai Jr.

01:57.360 --> 02:01.440
Hello again, Free Thinkers. Welcome back to the Free Thought Project Podcast.

02:01.440 --> 02:07.080
My name is Jason Basler, and joining me is the Free Thought Project editor-in-chief, Matt Agarist.

02:07.500 --> 02:12.580
And once again, we have TFTP writer and editor, Dawn Vai Jr. also with us today.

02:13.380 --> 02:15.560
Thank you all for joining us once again.

02:15.980 --> 02:20.020
We have a big show lined up today, great guest, and we finally got them guys.

02:20.320 --> 02:22.860
It took a few tries, but he's here with us today,

02:22.900 --> 02:27.060
and we're super excited to jump into a few extremely important topics.

02:27.060 --> 02:32.660
Just a friendly reminder, we always need your help to get this show into more people's ears.

02:33.180 --> 02:38.140
Do take a quick moment to make sure you're subscribed to this podcast on your favorite podcast player of choice,

02:38.820 --> 02:41.300
and do us a favor and rate and review it as well.

02:41.880 --> 02:47.100
We always try to bring you some of the most thought-provoking guests to talk about current and relevant issues.

02:47.740 --> 02:52.580
Like the podcast we released last week with one of our favorite thinkers on X, Mr. Jeffrey Tucker.

02:53.100 --> 02:58.040
We got into the nuanced perspective on the complex issues like immigration,

02:58.520 --> 03:00.820
we discussed tokenization and technocracy,

03:01.220 --> 03:05.120
and we also talked about where the Liberty Movement is in the U.S. currently,

03:05.660 --> 03:07.200
or if it even exists at all.

03:07.520 --> 03:11.660
It was a wide-ranging conversation, but the white pill at the end was definitely worth it.

03:12.040 --> 03:14.880
So download and listen to that one after this episode.

03:15.820 --> 03:19.780
Also really quick, free thinkers, I know the holidays are just days away now.

03:19.780 --> 03:22.760
In fact, we are about a month away from Christmas.

03:23.260 --> 03:29.520
So support the free thought project and educate your kids by picking up a copy of our children's book

03:29.520 --> 03:33.400
that we released last year entitled Little Free Thinkers Know Your Rights.

03:33.880 --> 03:39.720
It's a wonderful way to give your kids or friends or family with kids a foundation of freedom.

03:40.580 --> 03:45.060
And like we always say on this podcast, if you're not educating your kids, someone else will be.

03:45.060 --> 03:49.480
So why not share with them the principles of liberty and rights education?

03:50.080 --> 03:54.840
The book can be found at littlefreethinkers.com and is geared for kids 6 to 12.

03:55.000 --> 03:57.160
So check it out, guys, and help support this podcast.

03:58.440 --> 04:01.940
All right, so our guest today is a musician.

04:02.180 --> 04:02.940
He's an author.

04:03.220 --> 04:06.700
He's a broadcaster and an unapologetic truth teller.

04:06.920 --> 04:11.960
He hosts several shows on the iconic network and is the son of the great David Ike.

04:11.960 --> 04:14.740
So our guest today is Gareth Ike.

04:15.300 --> 04:19.300
Gareth, welcome to the Free Thought Project podcast, and thanks for joining us, Amigo.

04:19.980 --> 04:20.800
It's absolute pleasure.

04:21.140 --> 04:22.160
Sorry it took so long.

04:22.500 --> 04:27.560
That's me being the most disorganized man, I think, this side of the Atlantic, to be honest.

04:28.400 --> 04:29.920
No, no, you're just busy.

04:30.160 --> 04:31.320
You're just busier in high demand.

04:31.600 --> 04:32.780
So it's all good, man.

04:32.920 --> 04:33.280
No worries.

04:33.440 --> 04:34.540
Glad that you're here with us today.

04:35.340 --> 04:39.020
And you know, when I was researching your bio for this intro, I was impressed that

04:39.020 --> 04:44.920
before you got into the media side of things, you were actually a touring musician in the early 2000s.

04:45.020 --> 04:49.720
And I suppose we have that in common because I don't really talk about it much on the podcast

04:49.720 --> 04:51.220
because it does feel like a different life.

04:51.320 --> 04:56.660
But I actually played drums in a band, toured the U.S. twice and produced several records.

04:56.980 --> 04:58.480
So that's super cool.

04:58.880 --> 05:03.140
And yeah, I think I even read that you had a solo career after that

05:03.140 --> 05:06.000
and wrote a book entitled How Not To Be A Rockstar.

05:06.380 --> 05:07.040
I love it, man.

05:07.500 --> 05:07.860
Yeah.

05:08.180 --> 05:08.640
How, yeah.

05:08.860 --> 05:10.260
How to fail in style.

05:11.860 --> 05:13.400
I'd love to hear your tunes, mate.

05:13.680 --> 05:17.020
Yeah, I, you know, I'm the same as you, to be honest, mate.

05:17.840 --> 05:19.840
Well, it actually was a different life.

05:20.960 --> 05:27.080
And in the last kind of, maybe the last year or so, there's been a few, or maybe two years, actually,

05:27.100 --> 05:30.060
there's been a few sort of freedom festivals that have popped up in the UK.

05:30.560 --> 05:34.380
You know, it's like anything, some are better than others, some are, you know, a bit of a shambles,

05:34.380 --> 05:37.340
but others are pretty well organized and I've played some of them.

05:37.460 --> 05:41.380
And I've really enjoyed getting, you know, getting the guitar out and playing again.

05:41.560 --> 05:48.260
And it's funny because the life is so separate from now that when I would turn up at these freedom festivals,

05:48.460 --> 05:51.660
you know, people would come up and say, oh, what's your, you know, what's your speech on today?

05:51.680 --> 05:53.400
Or what's your, you know, workshop on today?

05:54.400 --> 05:56.380
I'm like, I'm not, I'm just going to play some tunes.

05:56.700 --> 05:57.500
And they're like, what?

05:57.720 --> 05:58.580
I had no idea.

05:58.820 --> 06:00.760
And it is like two separate lives.

06:00.760 --> 06:05.660
But, you know, I don't, I don't know if you do, but I don't miss it, like the touring and stuff.

06:06.100 --> 06:08.220
I really don't miss that at all.

06:08.660 --> 06:12.900
And when I stopped touring, I thought, I really thought I would, it's like, I'm not ready to quit.

06:13.140 --> 06:20.620
But yeah, those sort of like six weeks or more on the road, sleeping in a van, freezing your backside off.

06:20.840 --> 06:22.120
It doesn't appeal to me anymore.

06:22.820 --> 06:25.640
Plus your kids now, you know, that's a big, that's a game changer.

06:26.200 --> 06:27.160
Oh, totally me.

06:27.440 --> 06:32.860
Actually, I actually, I played, it was a bit stupid to be honest, but I played a festival up in the, in the Lake District,

06:33.040 --> 06:38.560
which, to be honest, in terms of North American distances is nothing from where I am.

06:38.560 --> 06:43.920
It's like a four hour drive, which obviously in the US is that's just popping to the corner shop in it.

06:44.020 --> 06:48.120
But in England, like, obviously it's a massive, that's a massive chunk of the country.

06:48.340 --> 06:52.420
And yeah, I played this festival and I probably came off stage about 10 half 10 at night.

06:53.800 --> 06:58.760
And yeah, the idea of like, kipping over, staying in a van or something, I was like, now I'm just going to drive home,

06:58.900 --> 07:03.540
just so I could wake up in the same house as the kids, you know, like, I don't like being away from them.

07:03.920 --> 07:07.920
But then, you know, about three hours later, I could feel myself slowly struggling to stay awake at the wheel.

07:07.980 --> 07:09.940
And I was thinking this was a really stupid decision.

07:10.100 --> 07:15.820
But yeah, I'm the same mate, I can't, being away from them as much as they're in a nightmare phase at the minute.

07:16.080 --> 07:20.780
Like they just, I've got two girls and they just, even though it's a three year gap,

07:20.780 --> 07:25.020
they just fight, but the youngest is the most aggressive.

07:25.540 --> 07:29.920
So I'll come in sometimes from work and I'll walk in the door and I've got to turn around to my three year old

07:29.920 --> 07:32.680
and say, can you let the seven year old out of the headlock, please?

07:33.000 --> 07:38.720
You know, it's like, as much as it's crazy, I wouldn't be away from it if I didn't have to be.

07:39.460 --> 07:41.460
Yes, yes, yes, I totally get it.

07:41.520 --> 07:45.420
I totally understand and onto better and bigger things than the music scene, right?

07:45.580 --> 07:47.720
I mean, I'm sure, yeah, it was fun while it lasted.

07:47.720 --> 07:51.080
I think maybe it's more of an early 20s, mid 20s endeavor.

07:51.420 --> 07:56.980
And as you start to get older, you start to realize that there are more important things in life than just playing some rock tunes.

07:57.280 --> 08:00.800
And in fact, for years, Matt, you know, Matt had kids before I did.

08:00.960 --> 08:03.820
And we would go, you know, on conferences and stuff together.

08:03.960 --> 08:07.980
And he'd be like, now, man, I got to go home like a day earlier or whatever to be with the kids, to be with the family.

08:08.080 --> 08:11.900
And I never really quite got it until I had my own kids, my own family.

08:12.020 --> 08:13.140
And I definitely get it now.

08:13.140 --> 08:18.240
So there is something to be said about that just wanting to be with your family and be close to them.

08:18.680 --> 08:19.400
Absolutely, yeah.

08:19.720 --> 08:25.740
Yeah, well, as I mentioned here, starting to get into the meat potatoes here, I did want to have you on the show for a while now.

08:25.940 --> 08:30.240
And obviously, there's a lot of overlap in the topics you talk about and the issues that we cover.

08:30.560 --> 08:33.840
And I've been keeping, you know, an eye on your work for a few years now.

08:34.200 --> 08:36.840
It's definitely a pleasure to talk to you, definitely grateful for your time.

08:37.180 --> 08:42.260
And we actually had one of your colleagues at Iconic on the show back in August, 70s.

08:42.260 --> 08:46.560
We talked about a number of things and some of them we might even touch on with you today.

08:47.040 --> 08:49.580
But yeah, as you mentioned, I know you're in the UK.

08:50.260 --> 09:00.800
And I know you've been talking a lot about the digital ID and even attending protests and rallies to push back against it after the PM Kier Starmer said that it would be mandatory to work.

09:00.960 --> 09:06.860
And that all adults will be required to have one by 2029, which is crazy, absolutely crazy.

09:06.860 --> 09:12.480
I know I recently shared a video of you talking about how this is basically our hill to die on.

09:12.920 --> 09:14.920
And I thought you put it brilliantly.

09:15.400 --> 09:18.720
I think most of our audience has a pretty good idea of the dangers of digital ID.

09:18.900 --> 09:21.980
But if maybe you could get into that a bit and where this is all likely headed,

09:22.080 --> 09:24.320
I think that might be a good place to start the conversation today.

09:24.820 --> 09:29.740
Yeah, I mean, it was funny because it was the worst kept secret on the planet.

09:29.960 --> 09:35.360
So the media were talking about the fact that he was going to announce Kier Starmer was going to announce digital ID.

09:36.560 --> 09:40.640
And I kind of looked at it and I thought, I wonder if this is a testing the water exercise.

09:40.880 --> 09:43.720
You know how they do it, where they leak stories to the media.

09:44.240 --> 09:47.260
The media put them out there so then they can gauge public opinion.

09:47.440 --> 09:53.000
And if there's a serious backlash, then they just don't announce it or they backpedal and say, oh, no, it was it was misinformation.

09:53.540 --> 09:55.600
The media got, you know, we were never going to announce it or whatever.

09:56.340 --> 10:00.680
So when when it was being leaked, I was looking at quite a lot of pushback to be honest.

10:01.080 --> 10:05.760
And I was thinking, I wonder if he is going to announce it then or whether he's going to he's going to wait and, you know,

10:06.220 --> 10:09.160
kind of wait till we're distracted by something else and then bring it in.

10:09.260 --> 10:17.060
But in the end, Boulders Brassie, he comes out and announces it in his very alpha male way that only Kier Starmer can.

10:17.920 --> 10:26.720
And straight away, you know, you saw a bit of a uniting from from the people, which was which was encouraging because here during the sort of COVID era,

10:27.220 --> 10:35.400
there was a massive protest movement where everyone sort of put down all their their nonsense for a bit, you know, and just went, look, all right,

10:35.500 --> 10:39.340
you know, you think I'm a far right idiot. I think you're a prat with pink hair.

10:39.400 --> 10:43.100
But on this, let we're aligned, you know, let's let's get together.

10:43.100 --> 10:48.700
And we did and there was real unity and then that was completely ripped apart.

10:49.580 --> 10:51.800
Nothing more really than October 7th.

10:51.800 --> 10:56.260
That particular event really tore the freedom movement in half in the UK.

10:56.900 --> 11:02.060
And it's been like hella divided ever since, which is why I think Kier Starmer announced it when he did.

11:02.240 --> 11:07.520
I think he looked at the country and thought, right, they're about as divided as as they can be.

11:07.720 --> 11:11.560
And if they're going to withstand this and fight back against it, they're going to need to be united.

11:11.840 --> 11:13.660
Therefore, this is a great time to try and push it in.

11:13.660 --> 11:19.640
And that sort of backfired, guys, because, you know, people have started to to unite again.

11:20.260 --> 11:24.140
You know, I've been a protest with people that I know think I'm a complete asshole.

11:24.620 --> 11:29.640
And that's fine. And, you know, the feeling is often mutual, but that doesn't matter.

11:29.760 --> 11:31.100
We need to get together to fight it.

11:31.200 --> 11:42.000
But it's something that Tony Blair in particular, that wonderful man has wanted to introduce since he was Prime Minister in the mid 90s.

11:42.000 --> 11:45.900
And it didn't fly then, you know, the people didn't want it.

11:45.960 --> 11:49.320
So basically, this is one of those, you know, problem reaction solutions.

11:49.440 --> 11:56.140
As my dad talks about where Tony Blair had this desire for this ID card, you know,

11:56.160 --> 12:00.020
which is obviously evolved then into a digital ID and a biometric ID and stuff like that.

12:00.360 --> 12:01.320
People didn't want it.

12:01.760 --> 12:06.000
So Tony Blair then basically opens the borders pretty much.

12:06.000 --> 12:11.960
And it was obviously continued with the Conservative Party afterwards because, as we know, it's a one party state.

12:12.080 --> 12:12.500
They all are.

12:13.180 --> 12:17.740
And then Keir Starmer comes in, who is basically Tony Blair's protege.

12:17.960 --> 12:24.260
He is his, you know, he's a younger version of him, basically, you know, a Teamu Tony Blair to be fair.

12:24.860 --> 12:35.680
So he's come in and has basically used the mass immigration that Tony Blair orchestrated as an excuse to implement the digital ID.

12:35.680 --> 12:40.420
That Tony Blair wanted, you know, it's not very subtle, guys.

12:41.260 --> 12:47.180
The reason why I think it's the hill to die on is because, you know, looking around us, there's so many different things,

12:47.460 --> 12:50.820
so many different dystopian nightmares being thrown around.

12:51.380 --> 12:56.020
People talk about it, whether it be the universal basic income and that sort of stuff,

12:56.640 --> 13:02.480
which would obviously come with caveats, compliance caveats, hence why it's a bad idea for us and our freedoms.

13:02.480 --> 13:08.360
But also, you know, the China style social credit system and all these things that we've spoken about before,

13:08.800 --> 13:14.840
in terms of, you know, your climate footprint, whether you can only have steak on a, you know, once a week or whatever,

13:15.000 --> 13:20.980
all these things that have been spoken about for a long time that they clearly want because they openly talk about it at Davos,

13:21.140 --> 13:24.740
you know, every year they're quite, you know, open with it, to be honest.

13:25.480 --> 13:29.560
None of that functions and none of that works without a digital ID.

13:30.160 --> 13:39.560
And so for me, you know, in terms of an analogy, I've been trying to make the point that it's basically like all the different pizza toppings

13:39.560 --> 13:45.040
are all these different dystopian nightmares and digital ID is the base.

13:45.400 --> 13:50.740
And so if you don't have the base, yes, you've got all the toppings, but you've also got a really fricking messy kitchen.

13:50.860 --> 13:53.680
It's not organized. It doesn't talk to each other.

13:54.260 --> 14:03.800
And so when you stick the base in there, suddenly all these things can function as a pizza does, only unfortunately not quite as delicious.

14:04.780 --> 14:11.880
So that's why, you know, because looking around us, everyone's focused on the digital ID as they should be.

14:12.340 --> 14:20.680
But all the other parts that will tie into the digital ID are not just being spoken about, they're being implemented all around us.

14:20.680 --> 14:26.240
Like even now, if you go to the supermarket and buy a sandwich, it tells you what the carbon footprint is of that sandwich.

14:26.760 --> 14:30.400
It has it on the packaging. And so all these things have come in.

14:30.840 --> 14:38.260
And we had a parliamentary committee meeting which here in the UK, we're told they have to all be televised.

14:38.340 --> 14:44.200
I'm sure I'm not stupid. I'm sure they have plenty that aren't televised, but this particular one that was televised last week,

14:45.160 --> 14:54.440
bear in mind the government have announced that this digital ID is just to stop illegal workers, which of course it isn't because if you're working illegally or you're employing people illegally,

14:54.560 --> 14:58.460
then you sort of don't care about abiding by the law. That's the whole point.

14:58.760 --> 15:00.460
So it's nothing to do with that.

15:00.680 --> 15:06.200
But they're now openly talking about, you know, digital ID needed to access a bank account.

15:07.160 --> 15:15.360
And in this parliamentary meeting, they were saying, you know, about if for instance, because it's always just as if they've just come up with it,

15:15.760 --> 15:23.660
if for instance, the National Health Service, which again would all tie into the digital ID because all your medical history and everything is all attached to it,

15:24.120 --> 15:28.880
you would use it to get your doctor's appointment, for instance, it's literally would be a one-stop shop.

15:30.120 --> 15:37.500
That basically if the NHS felt that you were, you know, being unhealthy, say you were, and this is what the man said in the meeting,

15:37.820 --> 15:47.280
he said, you know, say for instance, you were drinking a bottle of wine at night, then that could obviously your digital ID, which is attached to your bank,

15:48.140 --> 15:54.540
could essentially say no next time you go to the off-license and try and purchase a nice bottle of, you know, Chilean Shiraz.

15:54.700 --> 15:57.900
No, you've been drinking too much, mate. You're not allowed that.

15:57.900 --> 16:03.200
And obviously they're framing it in that it would protect the NHS and we're only doing it for your liver.

16:03.560 --> 16:09.440
You know, we're only doing it for your health, but obviously they don't care about me and you and our health.

16:09.500 --> 16:11.680
So is obviously another motive there.

16:12.540 --> 16:19.220
But it's quite interesting how they've, for me, if I was going to announce something and say it was for a certain reason,

16:19.740 --> 16:22.880
I would do my damnedest to make people believe that.

16:22.880 --> 16:30.320
I wouldn't keep, you know, quite openly throwing in all the other things that the conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time.

16:30.480 --> 16:33.100
So it's interesting how it's all coming out.

16:33.560 --> 16:44.580
But what I have noticed, guys, is that they've identified the fact that, you know, people have stood up and are not wanting it and not on board with it at all.

16:45.280 --> 16:51.820
So it's a case of now, I think we're entering, and I did say this at the time, that we're going to enter false flag season basically.

16:53.160 --> 16:59.980
Because what they want us to do is to one, not think critically, because you don't think critically when you're in a state of panic.

17:00.300 --> 17:01.340
You know, you just panic.

17:01.900 --> 17:10.040
And also they want to get MPs, members of parliament, to vote through digital ID, but they won't.

17:10.180 --> 17:15.540
They don't have the numbers to do that because only within the Labour Party, there's a lot of MPs that don't want it either.

17:15.660 --> 17:19.760
So they won't pass it unless they can pass it as an emergency legislation.

17:20.340 --> 17:26.140
So as soon as, you know, I was saying that this is what I think they're going to do and, you know, I wasn't the only one saying it was pretty obvious.

17:26.620 --> 17:33.340
Then we, I don't know if you've noticed this from over the Atlantic, but suddenly some terrorist attacks have started happening in the UK.

17:33.720 --> 17:37.440
You know, that was COVID cured terrorism and then suddenly it's back now.

17:38.040 --> 17:44.720
And so we've had terrorist attacks and stabbings, but all being done by different people.

17:44.720 --> 17:50.800
So it's like one was, you know, Islamic terrorism, one was a guy that was a mental health patient.

17:51.900 --> 17:53.920
One was an immigrant that was here illegally.

17:54.320 --> 18:01.700
And so it's like, you can see they're trying to pick off every single demographic so that everyone is a threat and everyone is a target.

18:02.260 --> 18:06.480
Therefore, you know, that fear really, really, really trundles through.

18:07.160 --> 18:14.680
Now, the reason why I say MPs, you know, would vote it through as an emergency legislation is because that's what they did with the Coronavirus Act.

18:15.340 --> 18:19.060
So here in the UK, if you put an act through Parliament, it takes a while.

18:19.520 --> 18:24.240
And, you know, I think that the Coronavirus Act was something like 10,000 pages.

18:24.500 --> 18:25.500
It was enormous.

18:26.240 --> 18:28.980
And it was basically whistled through in, you know, no time.

18:29.200 --> 18:31.160
I think it was like three readings and it was through.

18:31.860 --> 18:34.480
No one's read 10,000 pages.

18:34.480 --> 18:35.400
They haven't.

18:35.520 --> 18:38.440
But these MPs will signed off because there was this state of panic.

18:38.720 --> 18:41.460
You know, we're all going to die if we don't do something about it.

18:41.460 --> 18:45.400
So they so they waved it through without actually reading the small print.

18:45.520 --> 18:54.740
And then what you found was quite a few MPs, particularly sort of right leaning MPs, a few months into into the tyranny of COVID started going, well, hang on a minute.

18:55.300 --> 18:56.240
This isn't right.

18:56.360 --> 18:57.140
And this isn't right.

18:57.220 --> 18:58.200
And that's not right.

18:58.360 --> 19:00.480
And it's like, yeah, but you voted it in.

19:00.480 --> 19:07.440
And it was all there in the small print that you clearly didn't read because you signed it through in a panic state, you know, in an emergency state.

19:08.300 --> 19:12.880
So I think that's something that they're going to try and do even more of here to be able to get it through.

19:13.720 --> 19:17.520
And once it does get through, then, you know, we've got a real uphill struggle here.

19:18.760 --> 19:26.240
And it's funny because I look back at the things that don't seem particularly important really.

19:26.240 --> 19:35.220
But, you know, when like, I don't think it was the same in the US, but basically, tills at supermarkets, they'd all be, you know, they'd all have a human on them.

19:35.600 --> 19:41.160
And then you'd have, you know, in the 90s, a couple of automatic ones sort of popped up.

19:41.800 --> 19:49.760
And I remember having conversations and my dad having conversations at the time with members of staff in supermarkets that were thinking it was a great idea.

19:49.880 --> 19:53.440
And we were basically saying to them, well, yes, great idea until it's your till.

19:54.040 --> 19:55.660
And then you don't have a job.

19:56.240 --> 20:00.400
So there's an element of that in the, you know, they can sack people and therefore they don't have to pay them.

20:00.440 --> 20:07.480
But the other part that I think it is, is that once you've got a digital ID and it has a social credit system attached to it.

20:07.560 --> 20:11.360
So say you can't buy steaks because you're carbon footprint or whatever.

20:11.780 --> 20:13.820
You can't reason with an automated till.

20:14.660 --> 20:17.240
I mean, you can try, but I don't think you'll get that far.

20:17.500 --> 20:21.880
Whereas if you deal with a human, you can just say, oh, come on mate, it's my wife's birthday tonight.

20:21.880 --> 20:22.840
You know, I'm cooking steak.

20:23.080 --> 20:23.980
That sort of, oh, go on then.

20:24.220 --> 20:26.100
So the sod gone just this once, you know.

20:26.920 --> 20:30.580
So I look at that and I look at all the, all the, they're all nearly automated now.

20:30.740 --> 20:32.640
There's very few tills with humans on.

20:33.140 --> 20:40.840
And also what they've done here is with the, with the chilled foods, you would normally just lean in, you know, you grab a steak or whatever.

20:41.460 --> 20:46.000
What they've done is they've put doors on all of those in every supermarket.

20:46.300 --> 20:49.940
So like all these different supermarkets all have the same idea at the same time as you can imagine.

20:50.360 --> 20:52.740
It, it's all door, they're all doors now.

20:53.180 --> 20:55.600
And I'm trying to talk to people about it who don't want to know.

20:55.780 --> 20:59.980
They're going, well, yeah, but it's just, it's just because it saves energy because obviously it keeps it cooler.

21:00.120 --> 21:02.000
And I'm like, well, yeah, that's the sales pitch, mate.

21:02.060 --> 21:03.760
But what happens when there's a lock on that door?

21:04.380 --> 21:04.660
Yeah.

21:05.160 --> 21:09.360
You know, where you can't just reach in, grab it, put it in your basket and go and pay a human being.

21:10.120 --> 21:15.480
And, you know, we found that already here in the UK where they've actually had these, these Amazon stores.

21:15.480 --> 21:20.480
They're whole foods that are owned by Amazon that are, that are fully staffless.

21:21.320 --> 21:22.240
There's no staff in them.

21:22.320 --> 21:26.040
You walk in, it scans your face, facial recognition.

21:27.060 --> 21:28.760
You buy all the stuff that you buy.

21:28.920 --> 21:34.120
And when you walk out, it scans you and the basket and you come directly out of your bank account.

21:34.580 --> 21:35.700
Who's signing up for that?

21:35.940 --> 21:37.060
I don't even want to know.

21:38.020 --> 21:41.960
But on an encouraging level, nine of those stores in London have closed.

21:42.680 --> 21:45.600
And they are in the process of closing because people don't want it.

21:46.280 --> 21:47.320
That's very encouraging.

21:47.920 --> 21:48.240
Exactly.

21:48.520 --> 21:48.620
Yeah.

21:48.800 --> 21:48.960
Yeah.

21:49.080 --> 21:51.720
So we're in a, we're in a bit of a weird phase to be honest, mate.

21:51.840 --> 21:56.720
Because like from date, from one day to another, I go from being somewhat despondent to being massively encouraged.

21:57.000 --> 21:58.860
You know, you see something like this is great.

21:59.180 --> 22:02.000
And then you have a conversation and someone says, I think it's a good idea.

22:02.200 --> 22:02.900
I don't see why.

22:03.060 --> 22:06.500
You know, if you've, if you've not done anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide, you know, that old chestnut.

22:07.200 --> 22:07.520
Yes.

22:08.060 --> 22:11.680
And then when you try and explain to them, obviously you get that little fluoride stare back at you.

22:11.680 --> 22:20.620
But I try and make the point to them that actually it's, it's not a case of if you've not done anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about.

22:21.040 --> 22:30.820
Because well, one who decides whether you've done something wrong and also what is not doing something wrong today isn't necessarily not doing something wrong tomorrow.

22:31.200 --> 22:41.300
You know, the world can change massively in an absolute heartbeat and you can go from being on the winning team in terms of, you know, social acceptance and whatever to being on the losing team.

22:41.300 --> 22:42.280
Very, very quickly.

22:43.040 --> 22:48.280
I'll be honest, you know, if you'd have said to me 20 years ago, women are going to have penises.

22:48.500 --> 22:50.840
I'd have probably just looked at you with the same fluoride stare.

22:51.700 --> 22:53.640
But things can change pretty quick.

22:54.380 --> 23:08.080
And suddenly you can go from being a real nice stand up, you know, part of the community, a pillar of the community never does anything wrong to suddenly now refusing to call someone with testicles she and now suddenly you've gone from being that stand up

23:08.080 --> 23:10.080
citizen to being a fascist and a bigot.

23:10.680 --> 23:15.320
So, and then, you know, fascists and bigots don't, don't get great compliance scores.

23:15.320 --> 23:17.600
Therefore no soul like Sirloin steak for you son.

23:18.120 --> 23:22.800
And it seems so, so kind of, I say it seems far fetched.

23:22.840 --> 23:23.320
It doesn't anymore.

23:23.460 --> 23:24.560
It would have done wouldn't it?

23:24.620 --> 23:25.940
Probably 10, 15 years ago.

23:26.620 --> 23:32.220
But with all the madness of the COVID era, this is just sort of the next step really.

23:32.340 --> 23:34.240
And it feels like COVID mark too.

23:34.540 --> 23:37.960
I don't know if, if that's, you know, it feels like that.

23:37.960 --> 23:38.260
Here.

23:38.480 --> 23:44.560
And I must admit, you know, when I went to one of the, the bigger protests down in London, I was seeing the same faces.

23:45.540 --> 23:48.260
But they were people I'd not seen since 2020.

23:48.840 --> 23:57.380
And you would just sort of like strike, you know, striking a glance across the crowd at people and just sort of nodding like, you know, soldiers are back.

23:57.880 --> 24:00.060
And it feels a bit like that.

24:00.060 --> 24:04.140
But it's, it's, it's a very interesting time mate here, especially where you've got all this stuff.

24:04.280 --> 24:12.700
You've got the assisted dying bill passing as well, which is basically going to, it's the same as the made bill obviously in Canada, which is, you know, state sponsored murder, basically.

24:13.500 --> 24:17.320
That it's all coming in at the same time, which is of course not all coincidence.

24:17.700 --> 24:29.840
So my, my, my one positive guys, because I'm aware that I'm rambling now, but my one positive is that, you know, when 10, 15 years ago, you were having conversations with people about, you know, in fact, they want to bring in a universal

24:29.840 --> 24:35.700
basic income, which will be basically pittance, but you know, it will be reliant on your compliance.

24:36.480 --> 24:41.240
And, you know, people will be in 15 minutes cities where you can't travel, you know, you're not allowed to drive.

24:41.420 --> 24:45.260
It will be like the hunger games in terms of your districts, all these kinds of stuff you would say to people.

24:45.720 --> 24:49.320
And people would be looking at you like, why are you not in a padded cell?

24:49.760 --> 24:56.480
But the worst things get and have gotten over the last five, 10 years, the more of this stuff has come out into the open.

24:57.000 --> 25:13.080
And so I kind of see it as a numbers game, really, that when this stuff was in the shadows and was only really being spoken about by essentially conspiracy theorists, one of a better term, then there wasn't much pushback against it because no one really accepted it was real.

25:13.560 --> 25:18.900
And it's like, if you're in a prison, but you can't see the bars, you're not going to try and fight your way out of them, because why would you?

25:18.900 --> 25:29.180
Whereas now, you know, the more this stuff's coming in and the more obvious it's becoming, the more people are starting to find their voice and their spine and that's encouraging.

25:30.480 --> 25:47.100
Absolutely. And, you know, one of the interesting things is I actually just made a post earlier today really sort of talking about what I'm referring to is like the digitification of humanity, because, you know, I'll just go ahead and read it verbatim.

25:47.100 --> 26:01.980
The more the world spirals into technocratic transhumanist psychopathy, the more simply exercising one's humanness is an act of rebellion, rejecting the robotification of human spaces, not allowing AI to replace artists and writers and performers.

26:01.980 --> 26:20.620
The rejecting of digital IDs, CBDCs, biometrics, mechanical technology, and even what prompted me to make this post was I saw a report now, some supermarket somewhere I can't remember exactly where are now beginning to import cloned meat.

26:20.620 --> 26:32.480
And in doing so in such a way that people won't even really know the difference between whether it's some crap that they grew in a lab or if it's, you know, you know, genuine food.

26:32.800 --> 26:42.800
And I've talked about these subjects quite a lot over the past few years on my other podcast, particularly when it comes to like cloned meat, biometrics, transhumanism.

26:42.800 --> 26:46.200
And it really is no to your point.

26:46.540 --> 27:05.160
And as I said, like the more that we sort of spiral into this craziness that just going outside and connecting with nature and being a human is in and of itself an act of rebellion now as they're trying to shove this shit down our throats.

27:05.160 --> 27:24.000
And to sort of expand upon that a little more, I guess, you know, your thoughts on, you know, just that in general, of like, you know, going beyond just not just protesting it, but like really exercising your humanness, you know, explaining to people like, you know.

27:25.180 --> 27:34.380
Oh, living it is the thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, even spending cash in a shop is an act of rebellion now, you know.

27:35.740 --> 27:44.600
I'm the same, mate. Nature is like, that's what I do. You know, I get out in nature and walk. That's, you know, I love that and connecting with that.

27:44.820 --> 27:50.880
And yeah, okay, I need to be connected with technology in the sense that we're talking through a computer, that's how we can talk from other sides of the world and stuff.

27:50.880 --> 28:01.140
And I get it, like, technology has a place. But technology should be, you know, essentially the slave of the individual, the individual shouldn't be the slave of the technology.

28:01.320 --> 28:08.080
That's not how it works. Yeah, at all. Yes, it's a better word than slave, isn't it? But yeah, exactly. It should be.

28:08.500 --> 28:14.000
And, you know, I'm starting to see people starting kind of turning away from it now.

28:14.000 --> 28:18.300
You know, they're identifying the fact that actually, I don't want any part of this.

28:18.820 --> 28:29.120
And then, you know, then there's others that would probably claim to be awake and have been outspoken on certain things, fighting back against the technocracy and stuff, which is great.

28:29.240 --> 28:35.040
And then I see them asking Grock what the answer is, and you're like, mate, like, don't feed the beast, dude.

28:35.040 --> 28:43.360
Like, this is, you know, part of it, this whole thing is part of it and normalizing it.

28:43.460 --> 28:47.700
And so now you've got kids are not studying stuff, they're not looking into stuff for themselves.

28:47.920 --> 28:51.940
They're asking Grock what the answer is or chat GPT or whatever what the answer is.

28:52.540 --> 28:55.300
And it's like, well, yeah, but who's programming that?

28:57.320 --> 29:02.560
So, yeah, you may as well be asking the teacher or the politician what the answer is.

29:02.560 --> 29:05.500
You know, because you're going to get the state approved version.

29:05.940 --> 29:10.440
Not to cut you off, but it's so relevant here because I was actually just having a conversation about this.

29:10.740 --> 29:19.840
My best friend the other night, because I had been so adamant against like anything chat GPT related and then recently for some of the things I'm working on.

29:20.640 --> 29:29.780
Essentially, you know, treading that line between using it as a tool versus, you know, not allowing it to be like so pervasive.

29:29.780 --> 29:35.640
So like as I was explaining it to my buddy, I was like, instead of just be like, hey, chat GPT, what is this?

29:36.480 --> 29:43.720
I'll essentially use it to be like, okay, so I know there's a particular article from say mintpressnews.com that I need to find.

29:43.820 --> 29:51.240
But instead of just going typing in a couple of words into their search engine and then spending half an hour combing through 30 pages.

29:51.500 --> 29:57.440
I can just be like, hey, find me an article talking about something such specifically from mintpressnews.com.

29:57.440 --> 30:09.620
And essentially just streamline the process without giving up my personal autonomy of being able to figure out what the hell it is I'm looking for versus the thing just like giving the answer.

30:09.760 --> 30:10.120
You know what I mean?

30:10.200 --> 30:14.640
And so it's I think it's really important for people to understand like you have to tread that line.

30:15.120 --> 30:16.020
Oh yeah, I get it.

30:16.060 --> 30:17.940
There's a convenience to it for sure.

30:17.940 --> 30:28.400
I think what gets me is when, you know, someone will make a statement on say, you know, if we're talking about GROC then so on X someone will make a statement like this happened.

30:28.820 --> 30:32.740
And the there's just a stream of people saying GROC is this true.

30:33.260 --> 30:47.020
And okay, so, so, you know, we know that the GROC, you know, goes through an ADL filter or whatever, you know, so it's, it's suddenly people have kind of outsourced their thinking.

30:47.020 --> 30:48.220
So they've gone right.

30:48.320 --> 30:49.280
I don't trust the government.

30:49.520 --> 30:50.720
I don't trust the establishment.

30:50.900 --> 30:52.620
I don't trust the legacy media.

30:52.840 --> 30:54.160
They just lie to me.

30:54.780 --> 31:01.440
But I won't think for myself or do my own research or look at things from different perspectives and talks to different people and whatever.

31:01.640 --> 31:02.700
I'm just going to ask GROC.

31:03.400 --> 31:04.140
And it's like, yes.

31:04.520 --> 31:06.400
So GROC is now the mainstream media mate.

31:07.100 --> 31:12.880
It's like people constantly outsource their thinking, which is a real issue.

31:12.880 --> 31:19.280
I think it's something that I find quite frustrating because what you get thrown back at you, you know, when you say, you know, this is what's happening.

31:19.500 --> 31:20.240
That's what's happening.

31:20.420 --> 31:21.360
Trump is not the savior.

31:22.040 --> 31:25.640
And people call you blackpilled and attack you and just, oh, you've got no solutions.

31:25.860 --> 31:26.780
It's like, well, I've got a solution.

31:26.980 --> 31:28.400
You're the solution yourself, mate.

31:29.400 --> 31:35.680
You don't need, you know, politicians or GROC or whoever else to give you the answers in life.

31:36.180 --> 31:37.860
And only you can find them.

31:38.580 --> 31:41.780
But that's, you know, that sounds like hard work and people don't want to do that.

31:42.960 --> 31:45.200
But they're going to be forced to in the end, mate.

31:45.480 --> 31:56.580
And I think that's the point we're starting to get to now where, you know, if you think of it as an analogy, if I feel like I'm under attack, then I've got two choices.

31:57.000 --> 32:00.440
I can, you know, I can start throwing punches and hoping for the best or I can leg it.

32:01.640 --> 32:14.260
And most people choose to leg it and run and running is often, you know, basically covering your ears, covering your eyes and pretending it's not happening when it comes to the way the world is.

32:14.500 --> 32:16.620
So I don't want to know, you know, I don't want to know.

32:16.940 --> 32:22.160
And then in the end, you get to a point where you've got no choice to realize, but to realize what's going on.

32:22.560 --> 32:27.520
And it's kind of the equivalent, I guess, of when you're running away from whatever's targeting you.

32:28.320 --> 32:30.640
As long as you can run away, you'll keep running.

32:31.140 --> 32:36.440
But once you get to a point, you know, where you hit the Grand Canyon will now what?

32:37.720 --> 32:40.620
Well, you can't keep running because you're done.

32:41.260 --> 32:42.920
So you have to turn around and fight.

32:43.360 --> 32:46.180
And that's what people are being pushed more and more towards.

32:46.540 --> 32:48.920
So the worse things get for people, the more people are struggling.

32:49.160 --> 32:50.340
I mean, this country is insane.

32:50.520 --> 32:53.280
Five out of six kids are in poverty in the United Kingdom at the moment.

32:53.280 --> 33:01.080
And you're like, we're supposed to be a first world to dominant, you know, G8 superpower, whatever, or G7, whatever it's called now.

33:01.980 --> 33:05.100
And you're like five out of six kids, are you having a laugh?

33:05.760 --> 33:12.500
And so more and more people are actually, you know, that probably realized a while ago that something's not right,

33:12.540 --> 33:16.360
but didn't really want to do anything about it because it was easier to pretend it wasn't,

33:16.360 --> 33:19.180
have now hit the Grand Canyon and realized that they can't keep running.

33:19.180 --> 33:23.320
And so I think it's a real, it's a real powerful time now.

33:23.440 --> 33:27.200
And I know I'm talking about the United Kingdom, England, because it's me is where I live,

33:27.240 --> 33:31.140
but I know this is happening in the US and everywhere else really, like we're all being squeezed, right?

33:31.760 --> 33:32.120
Certainly.

33:32.540 --> 33:33.900
Yeah, it's an everywhere thing.

33:33.980 --> 33:36.640
But it's a real, you know, it's a horrible time for lots of people.

33:36.940 --> 33:42.460
Like, I think with the exception of billionaires and, you know, psychopaths,

33:42.480 --> 33:44.220
no one's having a really good time right now.

33:44.360 --> 33:47.440
Like the middle class is not having a good time right now like they were before.

33:47.440 --> 33:49.400
Like everyone's in the same boat really.

33:50.080 --> 33:56.280
You know, there's different levels of struggling, but no one's got as much as they had before, you know.

33:56.880 --> 34:03.280
And so it's a dangerous time for the establishment as well, because I don't know about you guys,

34:03.420 --> 34:06.220
but if I was going to have a fight with someone in a boxing ring,

34:06.340 --> 34:09.240
the one guy I wouldn't want to fight is the one that's got nothing to lose.

34:10.400 --> 34:12.540
He's got nothing to protect and nothing to defend.

34:12.920 --> 34:13.700
He's got nothing.

34:14.080 --> 34:15.760
That guy's a wild animal.

34:15.760 --> 34:20.660
And so, you know, what they're doing at the moment by crushing people so much.

34:20.720 --> 34:25.800
I mean, this country is insane in terms of how much people are being squeezed with taxes and the prices of everything.

34:27.040 --> 34:32.280
They're just creating more and more wild animals that are just going to snap and fly.

34:32.740 --> 34:39.860
And it's, you know, that's a good thing, but obviously it's how it plays out.

34:39.900 --> 34:43.720
Because if it plays out in the fact that people take to the streets and it becomes a civil war,

34:43.720 --> 34:45.760
then it plays into their hands because that's what they want.

34:46.920 --> 34:51.080
So it's very, we're a bit of a crossroads for sure.

34:51.160 --> 34:54.800
I think in the UK at the moment, I love that people are fighting back and standing up,

34:54.800 --> 34:56.840
but they need to be streetwise in the way that they're doing it.

34:57.340 --> 35:04.220
And I think peaceful mass non-compliance as much as that got called me got me called a cuck the other day when I started saying that.

35:04.460 --> 35:13.140
But you know, peaceful mass non-compliance because if you go because of the way I look at it is that what the establishment wants right now in the United Kingdom.

35:13.140 --> 35:16.860
And you can apply that I guess everywhere is they want two groups of people.

35:17.080 --> 35:24.400
They want a group of people that are sat at home, you know, watching bargain or homes under the hammer or whatever.

35:25.360 --> 35:29.900
Just don't care, not bothered apathetic to their plight, whatever.

35:30.400 --> 35:36.460
And they also want the other another group, which is the people that are on the streets throwing Molotov cocktails at coppers.

35:36.780 --> 35:42.700
They want that too, because they can crack down on that and they can bring the army in on that and they can declare martial law on that.

35:42.700 --> 35:52.800
What the problem for them is is the middle group, which is hopefully the overwhelming group, which will, which will just refuse to comply, but would do it in a peaceful way.

35:53.020 --> 35:56.280
Because they've got no way to fight that.

35:56.880 --> 35:58.920
Yeah, well said. Excellent points.

35:59.180 --> 36:00.600
And I agree 100%.

36:00.600 --> 36:02.920
It is moving fast as well.

36:03.560 --> 36:11.940
As far as the AI kind of takeover, I think I've said this before on this podcast, but I don't think it's just our thinking that we're outsourcing as well.

36:11.940 --> 36:13.840
I mean, we're outsourcing our creativity.

36:14.520 --> 36:21.920
I know I've seen this becoming more and more prevalent and popular, but like even our emotional aptitude, I know that there's like these therapist AIs now.

36:22.080 --> 36:23.580
I mean, AI could be your best buddy.

36:24.280 --> 36:25.780
So it is a dangerous thought.

36:26.020 --> 36:28.860
It is a dangerous president that's being set right now.

36:29.100 --> 36:33.980
And, you know, I think Prince, the musician Prince out of all people said it best.

36:34.120 --> 36:35.260
And this was back in 1999.

36:35.300 --> 36:38.340
He said this quote, he said, don't be fooled by the Internet.

36:38.520 --> 36:41.460
It's cool to get on the computer, but don't let the computer get on you.

36:41.460 --> 36:44.640
It's cool to use the computer, but don't let the computer use you.

36:45.420 --> 36:50.300
And I mean, how did he know in 1999, like where we are in 2025?

36:50.900 --> 36:56.080
I have no idea, but it truly is a profound quote even years later.

36:56.960 --> 36:59.880
Now, it is actually encouraging as you're mentioning there.

37:00.060 --> 37:07.760
You know, it is hard to always be optimistic in this current setting, but it is encouraging that people in the UK are pushing back.

37:07.760 --> 37:12.020
And I'm seeing that much more than anything that we've had in the US.

37:12.520 --> 37:14.780
I think COVID was a big wake-up call for people.

37:14.900 --> 37:24.380
I think a lot of people had to kind of face their reckoning as to their belief in the state and the authorities, the medical officials and all these types of people.

37:24.680 --> 37:33.280
And really kind of come to terms with, you know, are these institutions that we've been led to believe that are, you know, bulletproof and invincible in many ways?

37:33.420 --> 37:34.600
Are they actually getting this right?

37:34.600 --> 37:37.840
And I think a lot of people just realized that that wasn't the case.

37:38.820 --> 37:43.760
And obviously, you know, there has been a big shift in our field here with the alternative media.

37:44.000 --> 37:53.980
There's been a big, you know, kind of shift as far as these new alternative media journalists that have kind of popped up mostly on Twitter, but they've become a presence, you know?

37:54.060 --> 37:56.520
And so it also changed the whole media ecosystem.

37:57.680 --> 38:03.120
But you mentioned Tony Blair there has been kind of the architect and been back to the digital ID here briefly.

38:03.900 --> 38:09.680
I had no idea it went back that far to Tony Blair's presidency and that kind of blows my mind.

38:09.720 --> 38:11.500
And you also mentioned that he opened the borders.

38:11.700 --> 38:25.800
I mean, that aligns and tracks exactly with what we saw during the Biden administration and why, you know, this digital ID is basically an excuse, the problem reaction solution that you had mentioned for the immigration crisis, quote, crisis, right?

38:25.800 --> 38:28.600
But once again, immigration is a political football.

38:29.240 --> 38:31.960
It's going to be used to the state's interest.

38:32.260 --> 38:33.440
And we know how that goes.

38:34.220 --> 38:43.600
And unfortunately, you know, MAGA was a group of people who were very vocal against things like the digital ID, any type of digital tracking during the COVID years.

38:43.720 --> 38:48.000
But then when, you know, Trump comes around and he calls it the real ID.

38:48.300 --> 38:49.220
Well, everybody's on board.

38:49.360 --> 38:50.400
Nobody's talking about it.

38:50.500 --> 38:52.660
Nobody's, you know, pushing back at all.

38:52.660 --> 38:58.100
So it is very interesting to see how these things kind of get tossed around in the political spin.

38:58.640 --> 39:07.460
And unfortunately, you know, some of the people that we thought were on our side during the COVID years have turned out to, you know, be some of the biggest cheerleaders for the technocratic surveillance state that's coming up here.

39:07.940 --> 39:11.800
I think a lot of them, I think used COVID to give them some credibility.

39:12.660 --> 39:12.860
Yeah.

39:12.980 --> 39:14.060
Oh yeah, most definitely, man.

39:14.260 --> 39:21.680
I think it's hard not to think that that wasn't orchestrated to a large degree because all these people are marching lockstep with the Trump administration.

39:21.680 --> 39:23.020
And they have been since the beginning.

39:23.360 --> 39:23.740
Exactly.

39:24.140 --> 39:30.860
And a lot of these people are the same people that called for the Epstein files and now, you know, are completely silent when Trump calls it a Democrat hoax.

39:31.100 --> 39:36.380
So unfortunately, the political pandering and the tribalism has reached kind of a fever pitch here in the States.

39:36.840 --> 39:37.420
Big time.

39:37.800 --> 39:44.900
But I did kind of want to get back to the digital ID here just because there is one element of this that I kind of wanted to touch on and get your opinion on.

39:44.900 --> 39:51.900
One of the things that I think is a solid non-political argument against them is the security angle, right?

39:52.140 --> 39:54.940
Because, I mean, how much do you trust your government?

39:55.160 --> 39:58.500
How much do you trust big tech and some of these technocratic corporations?

39:59.220 --> 40:08.620
Because, you know, when this digital ID hits a database, it's basically subject to being hacked, leaked, sold, shared and weaponized against you.

40:08.760 --> 40:11.720
And it's forever going to be a tool that works against you.

40:11.800 --> 40:12.240
Exactly.

40:12.240 --> 40:22.880
Especially as, you know, society continues to conform more to these biometric security implementations and the programmable money and all these other things that are going to depend on biometrics.

40:23.160 --> 40:24.800
And, you know, you can't change your iris.

40:24.900 --> 40:25.720
You can't change your face.

40:25.900 --> 40:27.180
You can't swap your fingerprints.

40:27.500 --> 40:32.580
So once they're in the public arena, like, good luck, like ever having any privacy or security again.

40:32.860 --> 40:39.480
So you were kind of mentioning this before, like, as far as who's programming the AI, but like, do you worry about who will control the data?

40:39.480 --> 40:50.540
Like, who will have access and like what legal safeguards, if any, will be kind of put in place to prevent mission creep into like policing or corporate and commercial profiling?

40:50.880 --> 40:51.980
Well, there won't be any.

40:52.540 --> 40:56.100
And this is another interesting part of it here in the UK.

40:56.420 --> 41:04.320
So basically, when we voted to leave the European Union, which I voted to leave as well, you know, I don't vote in elections because they're all the same.

41:04.320 --> 41:08.160
But that was a, you know, do you want to stay in the European Union or do you want to get out?

41:08.300 --> 41:10.480
And it was a hard get out for me.

41:11.560 --> 41:15.040
And then basically when we did that, nothing changed.

41:15.340 --> 41:18.440
We still, because the establishment didn't want to leave.

41:18.940 --> 41:22.360
So, you know, nothing really changed at all.

41:22.580 --> 41:32.300
And so when this whole immigration thing got massively out of hand in the last three or four years, what is still in place in the UK?

41:32.300 --> 41:35.460
I would say is the European Convention of Human Rights.

41:36.320 --> 41:40.860
So we're still signed up to that despite not being in the European Union.

41:41.720 --> 41:48.300
And so a lot of, and that was blocking people getting deported, you know, that were entering the country illegally and all this kind of stuff.

41:48.700 --> 41:55.800
So there's been this huge clamber to get us out of that human rights legislation.

41:55.800 --> 42:05.620
And lots of people, you know, for one of a better term, I guess, would say were on our side are very much cheering that on.

42:06.500 --> 42:14.040
And so now the government is looking at doing that and is looking at, as we speak now, rewriting the legislation when it comes to immigration.

42:14.820 --> 42:24.000
But I don't think it will stop at immigration because that particular human rights legislation, as much as I don't like the European Union far from it.

42:24.000 --> 42:32.100
There are parts of that that are actually a bit of a stumbling block for digital ID in the way that they want to implement it.

42:32.880 --> 42:44.500
And so it could cause them a problem going forward in terms of appeals and people, you know, relying on that legislation as a way of getting out of doing stuff that they want.

42:45.080 --> 42:55.460
So the fact that at the same time that they're trying to push digital ID, they're also, you know, having given a different excuse trying to change that human rights legislation.

42:55.720 --> 42:58.560
I don't think because I don't believe in coincidences. I don't think that's a coincidence.

42:58.840 --> 43:07.380
I think that's that's coldly calculated to tell the population that we're doing it so we can deport criminals from foreign countries and then everyone cheers it on.

43:07.420 --> 43:11.960
And then when they do it, oh, no, actually, it turns out we can do the digital ID now because we changed that.

43:11.960 --> 43:15.460
Oops. So that that's something that's going on.

43:15.760 --> 43:28.620
I think what's very interesting here as well in terms of digital ID, where you touched on then in terms of Trump and how people were against stuff during covid and now suddenly that it's okay because it's my team doing it.

43:29.000 --> 43:31.980
I think we're being set up for that here as well.

43:34.460 --> 43:47.000
I'm kind of torn between two scenarios. One being what I mentioned earlier, which is that the government, the labor government will use an emergency legislation, whether it be war with Russia, which they're really, really pushing for at the minute,

43:47.180 --> 44:01.320
or whether it's, you know, a cyber attack that does whatever or terrorist attack in multiple locations or whatever, you know, something to really ramp up the fear, you know, blowing up a football stadium full of fans or whatever.

44:01.320 --> 44:06.360
You know, something severe because, you know, there's no empathy in these people, so they'll stop at nothing.

44:07.160 --> 44:28.200
There's that. I'm half on that. And then I'm half on a very similar situation to what you had with Trump because by 2016, as I saw it from someone, you know, on the outside, it certainly looked to me like Americans or at least a decent number of Americans had started to wake up to the one party state

44:28.200 --> 44:34.220
and actually realize that, you know, from George W. Bush to Barack Obama, nothing freaking changes, not really.

44:35.540 --> 44:41.620
And so they weren't really wanting to carry on with the Republican Democrat pantomime.

44:42.360 --> 44:48.640
Then suddenly this guy, Donald Trump, comes along who he's different. He's an outsider. He's going to drain the swamp. He's going to arrest Hillary.

44:49.480 --> 44:55.100
And everyone's like, well, this is different now. This isn't no, this isn't a one party state anymore. This guy is different.

44:55.100 --> 45:03.100
And obviously we all know that he's not. Well, here in the UK, you've got Labour and the Conservatives that have gone back and forth since I think the 1920s.

45:03.120 --> 45:07.020
They basically just gone back and forth between the two parties. Nothing changes. It just gets worse.

45:07.840 --> 45:19.340
And then suddenly reform turn up, which are mainly made up of failed Tory MPs to be fair, but they've suddenly come along and they're touted as the outsider.

45:20.240 --> 45:31.280
So I wonder whether Labour will fall on their sword, whether something will happen that will, you know, cause if there was a general election today, reform would walk it, like they'd walk it.

45:31.920 --> 45:42.400
So I think that's another option that reform get in and then they do the old, oh no, it's much worse than we thought.

45:42.400 --> 45:50.360
Cause that's what they always do, isn't it? Every government when it comes in goes, oh no, you know, the national debt's worse than we thought or whatever.

45:51.140 --> 45:57.160
We don't want digital ID. You know we don't want digital ID because we were saying we didn't want it and you trust us, we're different.

45:57.600 --> 46:02.320
But actually we are going to have to bring in some kind of digital ID because of X, Y and Z.

46:03.160 --> 46:08.100
But trust us to do it because look, you know, you know, we're on your side.

46:08.100 --> 46:16.020
And I wonder how many of those people will go, well, yeah, I was against digital ID when Keir Starmer and Labour and Tony Blair were going to be doing it.

46:16.040 --> 46:19.560
But this is reform. They're like us. They opposed it.

46:20.200 --> 46:25.060
And obviously the end result is exactly the same. So I wonder if that's something that will happen here.

46:25.620 --> 46:32.640
Just quickly on Blair though, I mean, people know this, but when Tony Blair came to power, cause basically he's Larry Ellison's man.

46:32.640 --> 46:38.740
Like he's Larry Ellison's lapdog and Keir Starmer's Tony Blair's lapdog. It's like Russian dolls.

46:39.680 --> 46:47.120
But when Tony Blair became an MP, he actually got elected in the same election as Jeremy Corbyn actually.

46:47.200 --> 46:48.700
They both became MPs at the same time.

46:49.460 --> 46:58.280
And Tony Blair was just a Labour backbench, you know, not an important, he wasn't a member of the cabinet or anything like that.

46:58.280 --> 47:06.800
He wasn't making decisions. He was literally just this, this young in politician terms, young backbench MP, nothing special.

47:07.420 --> 47:10.340
Dodgy Barnett and dodgy knitted jumpers, nothing special.

47:10.900 --> 47:18.200
And at the time Labour, they were in opposition and they had a leader called John Smith, which, you know, when I talked to people that knew John Smith,

47:18.200 --> 47:23.760
socialist, whether you're into socialism or not, but it was basically a nice bloke.

47:24.240 --> 47:31.340
And people liked him and, you know, he was, he was whatever you think of socialism and Labour, he was, that's what he was.

47:32.380 --> 47:40.120
And then Tony Blair says to his wife, Sherry, that he's been told he's going to be the next Prime Minister.

47:40.120 --> 47:46.920
Now, bearing in mind, he's a, he's a backbencher, so he's not even in the cabinet and he's not the head of the Labour Party even.

47:47.040 --> 47:48.820
They've got a leader, John Smith.

47:49.700 --> 47:54.040
Within no time, John Smith collapses from nowhere with a heart attack and he's dead.

47:54.840 --> 48:03.140
And so Tony Blair then is suddenly taken from backbench, nothing new kid on the block MP to leader of the Labour Party,

48:04.540 --> 48:08.020
which shocked a lot of people at the time because where's this guy come from?

48:08.020 --> 48:10.680
Suddenly he's the, he's the head of the Labour Party.

48:11.180 --> 48:17.380
And then what happened, which was very, very relevant was Rupert Murdoch's press.

48:17.580 --> 48:25.780
So Rupert Murdoch's basically, obviously, you know, own sky and the sun and, you know, Fox News and his, like, own, you know, everything.

48:26.660 --> 48:36.380
But basically he was known as the kingmaker and was generally, actually not even generally, was a conservative supporter.

48:36.960 --> 48:43.460
And so the conservatives had been in power for a long, well, basically for my entire lifetime up to this point.

48:43.800 --> 48:47.300
It had been, obviously you'd had Margaret Thatcher and then you'd had John Major.

48:48.000 --> 48:54.220
And so it was, it was very much conservative press, right wing media, conservative party in power.

48:54.600 --> 49:00.680
Then from nowhere, when Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party, again, like I say, from nowhere,

49:01.340 --> 49:04.080
suddenly Rupert Murdoch turned.

49:04.780 --> 49:11.420
And there was a whole big front page spread on the sun, which was at the time the most red newspaper in Britain,

49:12.080 --> 49:17.740
of how they were turning and they were backing Labour and they were backing Tony Blair,

49:18.140 --> 49:21.360
which was very surprising but clearly coordinated.

49:22.080 --> 49:28.180
He then comes to power and, you know, not only does he try and implement ID

49:28.180 --> 49:33.400
and not only does he open the borders, but he also, along with George W. Bush,

49:34.620 --> 49:37.380
basically opens the gates of hell on the Middle East,

49:37.380 --> 49:44.440
which then led to a enormous influx of immigration through the borders that he'd left open.

49:45.180 --> 49:50.720
So when it comes to Tony Blair, this guy is, he's cult to his DNA.

49:51.460 --> 49:56.720
Like I look at a lot of politicians and I think like some of them are just, you know, a bit crazy.

49:56.720 --> 49:58.940
Some of them are narcissists and they quite like the power.

49:59.680 --> 50:01.180
In fact, I'd say they're all narcissists.

50:01.560 --> 50:04.800
Some of them are there for the money, you know, in the lifestyle and the book deal.

50:05.880 --> 50:08.240
And then there's others that will work for Satan for free.

50:09.380 --> 50:12.200
And Tony Blair is 100% one of them.

50:13.960 --> 50:15.820
He works for the devil for fun.

50:16.220 --> 50:19.520
He doesn't even put through expenses. He doesn't need them. He's loving it.

50:20.120 --> 50:22.740
So the fact that he's all over this digital ID,

50:23.460 --> 50:27.980
he's all over the rebuilding of Gaza, which again is no coincidence.

50:30.600 --> 50:34.720
He's someone to watch with, you know, telescope eyes for sure.

50:35.440 --> 50:40.220
Man, him and George Bush 20 years ago were like Satan incarnate, dude.

50:40.380 --> 50:45.780
The blood of millions of people are on their hands from the wars that they helped launch and push off.

50:45.960 --> 50:48.180
It was, yeah, and they're celebrated, man.

50:49.180 --> 50:51.240
Look at Cheney's funeral today. I mean, they're all there.

50:51.240 --> 50:54.820
Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Yeah, I said on, on Gareth's Twitter today,

50:54.820 --> 50:58.380
I saw a video of the funeral and now all these people are in the front row.

50:58.460 --> 51:03.560
And they're like praising this man who was a mass murdering psychopath who, you know,

51:03.620 --> 51:06.460
like, like we talked about on the podcast last week that, you know,

51:06.540 --> 51:12.440
used depleted uranium in Iraq and where people are still hundreds of thousands of people have been born

51:12.440 --> 51:18.560
with these horrifying disabilities where their faces are, you know, like split in half.

51:18.560 --> 51:22.840
I mean, it's just, it's disgusting and so sad and we celebrate these people.

51:23.080 --> 51:27.780
I mean, it's, it's because, I mean, we can look at it like if you talk bad about them,

51:27.860 --> 51:29.660
you know, you can go to jail, right?

51:29.840 --> 51:35.520
Now in the UK, if you, if you post something offensive or, or something that might be,

51:35.600 --> 51:39.200
you know, make somebody have anxiety, then they could put you in jail.

51:39.460 --> 51:45.040
I was listening to Rogan the other day and he mentioned something like on their 12,000 people

51:45.040 --> 51:49.880
in a single year were arrested in the UK for social media posts.

51:49.980 --> 51:51.800
And I was like, that's, that's bullshit.

51:51.980 --> 51:52.920
There's no way dude.

51:53.120 --> 51:58.460
So I like went and did some research and sure enough, 12,000 people basically a year on average,

51:58.540 --> 52:02.980
that's 30 a day are arrested for social media posts that aren't calling for violence

52:02.980 --> 52:06.820
or, or, or calling, you know, like that are illegal in any way.

52:06.860 --> 52:12.260
Basically, it's, it's things like what that comedian Graham, Graham Linehan,

52:12.260 --> 52:16.340
he basically said that like men shouldn't go in women's bathrooms and women,

52:16.500 --> 52:19.200
if you find them in the bathroom, like punch them in the balls or something like that.

52:19.460 --> 52:22.380
And he was arrested at the airport, like by like a SWAT team.

52:22.620 --> 52:26.680
Essentially, you know, it's like, it's like soft blasphemy laws.

52:26.860 --> 52:33.160
And it's, we're living in a real world sequel to Orwell's 1984 where the

52:33.160 --> 52:38.200
state's basically weaponizing subjective feelings like anxiety or discomfort or

52:38.200 --> 52:42.840
offense or you insert something that makes my emotions, you know,

52:43.140 --> 52:45.180
we want to use a state power against you.

52:45.320 --> 52:49.420
And then the police are like forced into these, these impossible situations.

52:49.740 --> 52:52.980
I guess probably the good cops are, but the bad cops are loving it.

52:53.080 --> 52:55.120
You know, they love probably going to these people's houses and

52:55.120 --> 52:57.340
and arresting people for social media posts.

52:57.600 --> 53:00.740
And even though like it's a very small number of people that are actually

53:00.740 --> 53:03.240
convicted is what I read when I did this, it's like 2.5%.

53:03.700 --> 53:06.660
But that's, that's meaningless when you see that their mug shots are

53:06.660 --> 53:07.240
posted everywhere.

53:07.460 --> 53:08.480
They have the physical arrest.

53:09.000 --> 53:12.340
They, many of them lose their jobs, you know, it's punishment.

53:12.640 --> 53:17.480
It's a, it's, regardless of the, the end result of that, the chilling effect

53:17.480 --> 53:22.960
that this has is astronomical and it, and it discourages people from

53:22.960 --> 53:23.540
speaking out.

53:23.640 --> 53:26.940
And that's why I like, when you said that there's a big resistance over

53:26.940 --> 53:29.400
there, it was, you know, that I found that pretty heartening.

53:29.440 --> 53:32.700
And I like that, you know, especially considering with the digital ID

53:32.700 --> 53:34.600
that we've been talking about for the last hour.

53:35.220 --> 53:39.180
Like if this gets tied to, if the digital ID gets tied to these, to

53:39.180 --> 53:41.700
these offense laws and everything else that people are getting arrested

53:41.700 --> 53:45.700
for for social media posts, you know, they could, these digital scores

53:45.700 --> 53:48.900
that we're talking about, you know, like, like you said, you, you

53:48.900 --> 53:51.420
could make a post on social media that, hey, I think that they're

53:51.420 --> 53:56.720
using immigration to, you know, to, to take the negative effects

53:56.720 --> 53:59.040
from letting in a whole bunch of people that don't have this

53:59.040 --> 54:01.120
culture and try to use that against the population.

54:01.540 --> 54:04.600
And then you go to, you don't necessarily go to jail, but you

54:04.600 --> 54:06.460
just can't buy food for your family that night.

54:06.980 --> 54:08.100
Well, that, well, that's it.

54:08.320 --> 54:08.820
That's it.

54:08.940 --> 54:12.440
And once everything's digital, you know, it's not like, you know,

54:12.640 --> 54:16.780
your mate can lend you 20 quid because, because you can't, doesn't

54:16.780 --> 54:17.340
work like that.

54:17.480 --> 54:17.740
Right.

54:17.860 --> 54:18.500
Yeah, exactly.

54:18.660 --> 54:20.040
Yeah, you can't call your friend to eat.

54:20.320 --> 54:20.580
Yeah.

54:20.700 --> 54:23.040
And then they'll be like, oh, you already bought groceries

54:23.040 --> 54:23.580
for this week.

54:23.580 --> 54:25.820
So you can't buy anymore because, you know, we know you're

54:25.820 --> 54:26.980
trying to buy them for somebody else.

54:27.520 --> 54:27.720
Right.

54:28.200 --> 54:30.180
It's not just financial control there.

54:30.180 --> 54:32.580
Like after here, it's like psychological control.

54:32.840 --> 54:35.120
And use that word again, chilling.

54:35.320 --> 54:39.080
This is chilling to even think about that that is what's coming,

54:39.220 --> 54:42.140
but that's exactly what's coming unless people resist it.

54:42.540 --> 54:46.080
And I don't know the depth of the resistance that you mentioned

54:46.080 --> 54:50.060
earlier, but like, you know, I hope it's good because we

54:50.060 --> 54:52.240
have the two-party paradigm here just like you guys

54:52.240 --> 54:52.520
have.

54:52.800 --> 54:57.120
And there is absolutely zero that these two sides agree upon

54:57.120 --> 55:01.120
to be able to come together and resist any type of tyranny.

55:01.640 --> 55:04.360
You know, the mark, the, the real idea was like the

55:04.360 --> 55:06.800
mark of the beast of the conservatives 15 years ago

55:06.800 --> 55:07.300
down here.

55:07.440 --> 55:07.940
It did.

55:08.040 --> 55:10.780
It got killed shot down before it was even started

55:10.780 --> 55:15.600
because conservatives rightly so think it's a horrible, you

55:15.600 --> 55:16.940
know, way to track people.

55:17.000 --> 55:20.120
And they thought it's like basically that's the whatever

55:20.680 --> 55:22.860
Satan coming to earth or something like this.

55:22.960 --> 55:23.100
Right.

55:23.340 --> 55:26.280
And now they're embracing it because they're using this

55:26.280 --> 55:29.380
immigration against the people and coming after them.

55:29.400 --> 55:32.840
So I guess my question to you, you know, given that both the

55:32.840 --> 55:35.460
political parties in both of our countries and every other

55:35.460 --> 55:38.360
country across the West, you know, they're both complicit

55:38.360 --> 55:41.640
and building this like digital ID muzzle.

55:42.220 --> 55:46.160
And so like, what is the, what, if you really do have

55:46.160 --> 55:48.100
the people coming together and resisting like that in the

55:48.100 --> 55:50.220
UK, like what, what is the, what are they using

55:50.220 --> 55:53.520
right now to, to bypass this, this two-party

55:54.100 --> 55:57.540
scythe that has most people here, like under total control?

55:58.880 --> 56:02.040
Well, I think just quickly when I came to the U.S.

56:02.300 --> 56:04.780
last December, my, I came to watch the Rangers.

56:05.300 --> 56:07.160
I used to go to New York to watch the Rangers fairly

56:07.160 --> 56:07.540
regularly.

56:07.720 --> 56:10.120
And then New York to me just, it just got worse and

56:10.120 --> 56:10.280
worse.

56:10.380 --> 56:12.800
And now if I watch the Rangers, I go different places.

56:12.820 --> 56:14.720
So we, me and my brother went to Nashville and

56:14.720 --> 56:17.160
St. Louis to watch the Rangers got beat twice,

56:17.240 --> 56:17.440
obviously.

56:18.140 --> 56:20.620
But I, I, my etser had run out.

56:20.700 --> 56:21.840
So I needed to get another one.

56:21.840 --> 56:24.280
And I was, so I applied for an etser and the

56:24.280 --> 56:26.140
American government now asked for your social

56:26.140 --> 56:26.500
media.

56:27.000 --> 56:28.600
Wait, the American government does now?

56:29.020 --> 56:29.360
Yeah.

56:29.600 --> 56:29.800
Yeah.

56:29.860 --> 56:31.960
So I had to give them my social media to be allowed

56:31.960 --> 56:32.580
in the U.S.

56:32.620 --> 56:33.880
And I got to say, once I gave them my social

56:33.880 --> 56:35.220
media, I didn't think I was coming.

56:35.520 --> 56:36.060
Do you know what I mean?

56:36.700 --> 56:38.840
But, but yeah, they asked, they asked for that

56:38.840 --> 56:39.040
now.

56:39.300 --> 56:40.580
The Americans asked for that now, which,

56:40.600 --> 56:41.580
which I found.

56:41.620 --> 56:42.200
Yeah, that's insane.

56:42.500 --> 56:45.440
But yeah, but in terms of, in terms of

56:46.220 --> 56:48.900
how people are standing up, you know, this is

56:48.900 --> 56:50.560
my concern with the whole reform thing.

56:50.560 --> 56:53.140
Like I mentioned, being touted as an outsider,

56:53.840 --> 56:55.820
because there's a big movement, there's been a

56:55.820 --> 56:57.740
big movement in the United Kingdom to have

56:57.740 --> 56:59.520
none of the above put on every single

56:59.520 --> 56:59.860
ballot.

57:00.940 --> 57:02.620
That's been going on for a long time, for

57:02.620 --> 57:04.660
a couple of decades at least, and it's

57:04.660 --> 57:05.600
got some real traction.

57:06.320 --> 57:08.680
And so people have basically stopped

57:08.680 --> 57:09.040
voting.

57:09.300 --> 57:09.980
People are done with it.

57:10.540 --> 57:13.680
And so when Keir Starmer came to

57:13.680 --> 57:16.780
power as the prime minister in 2024, he

57:16.780 --> 57:18.220
came to power with it, with a large

57:18.220 --> 57:20.420
mandate in terms of the number of MPs,

57:20.440 --> 57:22.360
like a massive mandate in terms of the

57:22.360 --> 57:23.080
number of MPs.

57:23.420 --> 57:26.380
But in terms of the number of votes, it

57:26.380 --> 57:27.140
was shocking.

57:28.160 --> 57:31.520
So I think it was something like 46%

57:31.520 --> 57:34.440
of eligible people voted.

57:35.440 --> 57:37.380
So the majority of people didn't even

57:37.380 --> 57:37.880
turn up.

57:38.920 --> 57:41.120
And the percentage of those that

57:41.120 --> 57:43.560
voted for the Labour Party was, was

57:43.560 --> 57:45.200
again, low.

57:46.000 --> 57:49.080
And for context, when Jeremy Corbyn

57:49.080 --> 57:51.720
was leader of the Labour Party, they

57:51.720 --> 57:54.940
had such a horrendous turn out of

57:54.940 --> 57:56.780
votes, such a horrendous number of

57:56.780 --> 57:57.980
votes in the general election.

57:58.260 --> 58:00.880
And they took such a pasting that he

58:00.880 --> 58:02.400
was forced to resign immediately.

58:03.580 --> 58:06.480
And he got more votes, Labour got

58:06.480 --> 58:09.580
more votes in that election than

58:09.580 --> 58:11.420
Keir Starmer got when he became

58:11.420 --> 58:12.120
prime minister.

58:12.480 --> 58:13.860
Wow, what do you truly get through?

58:13.860 --> 58:15.560
Like people just fed up with the system

58:15.560 --> 58:16.800
and refusing to participate?

58:17.360 --> 58:18.680
Yeah, that's exactly it.

58:18.800 --> 58:19.440
People are done with it.

58:19.500 --> 58:20.840
People are saying, look, I understand

58:20.840 --> 58:23.180
that this is a grand chess board and

58:23.180 --> 58:25.320
that neither of these people are

58:25.320 --> 58:26.160
working for me.

58:26.260 --> 58:27.520
They're working for the, for the

58:27.520 --> 58:28.820
puppet masters above them.

58:29.080 --> 58:31.500
And so why the frickin' hell

58:31.500 --> 58:33.240
should I go out and put an X in a

58:33.240 --> 58:34.020
box for a puppet?

58:34.300 --> 58:35.460
I'd rather just go to the pub.

58:36.100 --> 58:38.260
And so people, people didn't bother.

58:38.640 --> 58:39.880
And so they're massively disillusioned

58:40.460 --> 58:41.760
with, with politics.

58:42.240 --> 58:44.200
You know, the Labour Party are

58:44.720 --> 58:46.180
probably the most unpopular

58:46.180 --> 58:48.000
government, certainly of my lifetime

58:48.000 --> 58:49.500
they're the most unpopular, openly

58:49.500 --> 58:50.620
unpopular government.

58:50.840 --> 58:51.820
People can't stand them.

58:51.940 --> 58:53.560
Even people that voted for them hate them.

58:54.240 --> 58:55.640
You've got the Conservative Party,

58:55.700 --> 58:57.700
which is the other wing of the same

58:57.700 --> 58:59.740
bird, which is basically

58:59.740 --> 59:00.560
lost in the wilderness.

59:00.560 --> 59:01.820
No one's voting for them.

59:02.720 --> 59:03.720
Because, you know,

59:04.140 --> 59:05.240
everything they're doing and

59:05.240 --> 59:07.160
everything they're trying to use to

59:07.540 --> 59:09.720
gain popularity is backfiring

59:09.720 --> 59:11.660
because they're talking, you know, about

59:11.660 --> 59:13.600
freedom and stuff and the

59:13.600 --> 59:15.640
authoritarian regime of Labour when

59:15.640 --> 59:17.180
it was the Conservative Party that

59:17.180 --> 59:18.740
locked down everyone else, everyone

59:18.740 --> 59:20.340
through Covid and tried to bring in

59:20.340 --> 59:22.000
mask, well, did bring in mask mandates,

59:22.160 --> 59:23.840
tried to bring in jab mandates and

59:23.840 --> 59:24.980
sack NHS staff.

59:25.440 --> 59:26.880
People remember shit like that.

59:27.360 --> 59:29.240
So, so they're not supported.

59:29.480 --> 59:31.060
They've also come out massively now

59:31.060 --> 59:32.740
saying we want an inquiry into the

59:32.740 --> 59:33.440
grooming gangs.

59:34.000 --> 59:35.600
Why the government not bringing an

59:35.600 --> 59:37.080
inquiry into the grooming gangs and

59:37.080 --> 59:38.780
you're going, mate, you were in power

59:38.780 --> 59:41.460
for 14 years and you didn't do

59:41.460 --> 59:41.820
anything.

59:42.360 --> 59:44.080
And so they're not, you know,

59:44.120 --> 59:45.260
so everything they're trying to do to

59:45.260 --> 59:47.080
win points with people is backfiring

59:47.080 --> 59:47.540
massively.

59:48.060 --> 59:50.100
So suddenly the two legacy parties,

59:50.260 --> 59:52.240
the two main parties are

59:52.240 --> 59:52.600
finished.

59:53.320 --> 59:55.260
And then the other parties

59:55.260 --> 59:57.100
that would normally be there or

59:57.100 --> 59:58.900
thereabouts, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens,

59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.020
they're still obviously

01:00:01.020 --> 01:00:03.220
pushing their huge climate change

01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:05.180
scam and people

01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:06.360
have seen through that now.

01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:09.200
So whilst they may have one or

01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:11.000
two policies that people would support,

01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.160
they can't get on board with the climate change.

01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:14.400
There's a net zero nonsense.

01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:17.240
So suddenly you've got those

01:00:17.240 --> 01:00:19.180
parties with no one

01:00:19.180 --> 01:00:20.480
interested in voting from

01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:23.000
which is where my concern is that then

01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.240
you've got reform coming in

01:00:25.240 --> 01:00:26.920
telling everyone what they want to hear

01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:28.800
which is the most dangerous thing

01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.980
because if you tell people what they want to hear

01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:33.120
then, you know, they'll be more inclined

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:35.140
to support you because, you know, you make them

01:00:35.140 --> 01:00:35.700
happy, right?

01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.980
And I keep trying to say to people

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:41.220
that, you know, Nigel Farage, he's the hero,

01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:42.140
he's the outsider.

01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:44.600
He's the leader of reform.

01:00:44.780 --> 01:00:45.980
He's going to be the next Prime Minister.

01:00:46.240 --> 01:00:47.940
And like I said, if there was a vote today, he would be.

01:00:48.740 --> 01:00:49.900
But you're like, this was a guy

01:00:49.900 --> 01:00:52.180
that wanted Tony Blair to be

01:00:52.180 --> 01:00:54.640
vaccine czar during COVID.

01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:56.400
He went on national television to say

01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.580
we needed to bring Tony Blair back into politics

01:00:58.580 --> 01:01:00.380
to run the vaccine rollout.

01:01:00.380 --> 01:01:02.180
And then you've got Richard Tai,

01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:04.160
who's the deputy leader of reform

01:01:04.160 --> 01:01:06.240
who was on national TV saying that NHS

01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:07.980
workers, healthcare workers

01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:10.420
couldn't possibly still be healthcare

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:12.440
workers if they refused to take the jab.

01:01:13.080 --> 01:01:14.240
These are now the

01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:15.880
new face of freedom

01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:18.140
and anti-establishmentism.

01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:20.660
It's like, no, mate,

01:01:21.140 --> 01:01:22.380
you know, I'm getting

01:01:22.380 --> 01:01:24.100
slightly older but I'm not quite senile

01:01:24.100 --> 01:01:26.680
enough yet to forget four years ago.

01:01:27.340 --> 01:01:28.740
So, you know,

01:01:28.740 --> 01:01:30.060
we're in a position now where

01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:32.560
it's a very interesting time where people

01:01:32.560 --> 01:01:34.260
have turned their back on politics

01:01:34.260 --> 01:01:36.820
which I support

01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:39.260
but then it leaves that vacuum, doesn't it?

01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:40.580
So then you say, right,

01:01:40.620 --> 01:01:42.580
well, what do they fill that vacuum with?

01:01:43.720 --> 01:01:44.200
Who

01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:46.540
comes in the steps into that

01:01:46.540 --> 01:01:48.940
area to try and offer solutions?

01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:49.920
Because

01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.780
whilst there's lots of us trying to offer solutions

01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:54.720
there's also going to be people that are far

01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:56.880
better funded and far better elevated

01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.160
by the media and algorithmically

01:01:59.160 --> 01:02:00.820
on social media that are going

01:02:00.820 --> 01:02:02.380
to try and step into that void as well

01:02:02.380 --> 01:02:03.760
which will try and basically

01:02:04.580 --> 01:02:06.580
hoodwink people back into it again.

01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.740
Well, I think that's where your likes of Tommy Robinson

01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:10.960
and stuff are being, you know,

01:02:11.120 --> 01:02:12.500
placed into that position.

01:02:13.120 --> 01:02:14.880
Yeah, exactly. Nigel Farage

01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.980
and Trump are like the same animal

01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:17.740
man. I mean,

01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.160
the Farage during

01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:22.020
when the Ukraine war broke out, I mean,

01:02:22.220 --> 01:02:24.620
I was agreeing with him wholeheartedly what he was saying

01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:26.500
with the history of Ukraine and Russia, you know,

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:28.360
and Trump basically

01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.480
just followed him on that same

01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.320
playbook and used that to get elected.

01:02:32.640 --> 01:02:34.400
We're going to end this war in Ukraine

01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.460
but he's

01:02:36.460 --> 01:02:37.220
what filled the vacuum.

01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:40.140
Trump filled the vacuum and look what

01:02:40.140 --> 01:02:42.200
has gotten us. We have

01:02:42.200 --> 01:02:44.180
the record levels of divide.

01:02:44.900 --> 01:02:46.260
We have people like

01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:48.080
Trump calling for hanging

01:02:49.100 --> 01:02:49.680
congressmen

01:02:49.680 --> 01:02:52.300
for telling the military to disobey

01:02:52.300 --> 01:02:54.400
unlawful orders which is written into

01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.200
the military uniform code of military

01:02:56.200 --> 01:02:58.000
justice. So it's

01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.120
crazy, man. I really hope that doesn't happen over there.

01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:01.700
I hope it continues to,

01:03:02.020 --> 01:03:04.060
you know, resistance keeps growing and

01:03:04.060 --> 01:03:06.280
the critical thought keeps up because that's the

01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.220
only way out of this mess in my opinion,

01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:09.860
man. Absolutely.

01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:12.280
I think Tony Blair, I think

01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:13.340
Donald Trump

01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:16.260
being the character that he is

01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.060
was perfect to fill that

01:03:18.060 --> 01:03:20.320
vacuum because I'm yet to

01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.060
since 2016

01:03:22.060 --> 01:03:24.300
meet anyone that when you

01:03:24.300 --> 01:03:26.380
say Donald Trump, they go, yeah, he's

01:03:26.380 --> 01:03:28.120
alright. You either

01:03:28.120 --> 01:03:30.320
love that guy or you hate that guy.

01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:32.220
So he's perfect

01:03:32.220 --> 01:03:34.380
for division and Nigel Frage

01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:36.420
is the same here. You know, you either

01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:38.240
love Nigel Frage or you despise

01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:40.160
him and he's a fascist. You know,

01:03:40.380 --> 01:03:42.220
it's perfect characters

01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:43.260
for the polarity.

01:03:44.060 --> 01:03:46.400
And I would argue that's why they're

01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:48.020
there. You know, they've been

01:03:48.020 --> 01:03:49.320
groomed almost for that rope.

01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.460
Well, remember guys, Kamala would be a lot worse, right?

01:03:53.420 --> 01:03:53.860
Right.

01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.960
And you know, it's interesting that you bring up

01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:57.940
Tommy Robinson because I had

01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.220
I wanted to sort of slide

01:04:00.220 --> 01:04:01.800
that in there since we've been talking about,

01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.140
you know, essentially, you know, the

01:04:03.140 --> 01:04:05.960
the fall of the legacy

01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:07.940
parties created this vacuum for like

01:04:07.940 --> 01:04:09.460
controlled opposition. And

01:04:09.940 --> 01:04:11.940
I like to try to pay attention to international

01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:13.980
politics, particularly, you know,

01:04:14.080 --> 01:04:16.260
you know, what's going over there, you know, at the very least

01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:18.180
in the UK because of the whole Angelo

01:04:18.180 --> 01:04:20.020
American Western Empire.

01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:22.360
And I have been seeing, I would love

01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:23.680
to get your thoughts on this, like

01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:26.200
certain figures of the likes of

01:04:26.200 --> 01:04:28.220
Tommy Robinson and especially Russell

01:04:28.220 --> 01:04:30.680
Brand recently since he rebranded

01:04:30.680 --> 01:04:32.400
pun intended to being this

01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:33.980
very, you know, hardcore

01:04:33.980 --> 01:04:36.440
MAGA, you know, fella,

01:04:36.700 --> 01:04:38.260
you know, coincidentally

01:04:38.980 --> 01:04:41.680
enough right after all those very serious

01:04:41.680 --> 01:04:43.280
sexual assault allegations that

01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.480
magically went away once he sold out again.

01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.720
You know, so I'd love to get your take on

01:04:47.720 --> 01:04:49.620
like seeing these guys and

01:04:49.620 --> 01:04:51.040
folks like them being

01:04:51.040 --> 01:04:53.280
propped up into this very obvious

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.500
controlled opposition slot to try

01:04:55.500 --> 01:04:57.160
to steer the public narrative.

01:04:57.420 --> 01:04:59.780
Well, they're perfect for division.

01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:01.560
Tommy Robinson is perfect for division

01:05:01.560 --> 01:05:03.640
in this country because everything's

01:05:03.640 --> 01:05:05.160
the everything's the Muslims fault.

01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:07.200
So you basically had growing

01:05:07.200 --> 01:05:09.480
movement, a huge growing movement

01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:11.500
of British people that are

01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:13.540
done with the mass

01:05:13.540 --> 01:05:15.400
immigration and the way that the country

01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.800
has changed, you know, I'm

01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:19.640
I'm all about love.

01:05:19.640 --> 01:05:21.700
But the cities of the UK are

01:05:21.700 --> 01:05:24.140
are horrible, horrible places now.

01:05:24.660 --> 01:05:26.260
And the towns

01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:27.980
are going the same way. You know, the last

01:05:27.980 --> 01:05:29.600
bastion of Britishness is

01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:31.580
the villages. I mean, I live in the countryside

01:05:31.580 --> 01:05:32.600
intentionally.

01:05:33.500 --> 01:05:35.460
And so, you know, we've got

01:05:35.460 --> 01:05:37.520
to a position where, you know, I

01:05:37.520 --> 01:05:39.360
know someone who was working in a school

01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.640
with basically

01:05:41.700 --> 01:05:43.760
none of the students are of

01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.260
English descent, literally

01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:46.720
none of them in an entire

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:48.720
school. And they would have to

01:05:48.720 --> 01:05:50.700
stagger drop offs and pickups

01:05:51.300 --> 01:05:52.760
based on nation

01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.180
because the parents were fighting

01:05:55.180 --> 01:05:57.360
in the car park like that's

01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:58.860
not what you want to be importing

01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:00.860
into your country. That's Matt, you know, I

01:06:00.860 --> 01:06:02.680
don't think that's a far right position

01:06:02.680 --> 01:06:04.580
to take. But I don't think that we

01:06:04.580 --> 01:06:06.560
should be bringing that into England. It's not making

01:06:06.560 --> 01:06:08.680
the country a better place. So you've got a

01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:11.080
large group of people that are, you know, of

01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:12.740
that opinion that actually come on guys

01:06:12.740 --> 01:06:13.820
like enough's enough.

01:06:14.600 --> 01:06:16.660
And and so Tommy is sort of

01:06:16.660 --> 01:06:18.280
stepped into the role of basically

01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:20.560
guiding all of those people into

01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:21.920
believing it's the Muslims fault

01:06:22.680 --> 01:06:24.540
as if everyone is the same.

01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:26.760
Right, you know, I find

01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:28.700
that anyone out there that blames

01:06:28.700 --> 01:06:30.620
one group, whether it's the Muslims or

01:06:30.620 --> 01:06:32.220
the Jews or whatever

01:06:33.140 --> 01:06:34.800
I'm instantly red flags

01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:36.860
suspicious because it's not, you know,

01:06:36.860 --> 01:06:39.000
yes, okay, it's Netanyahu's government.

01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:40.740
It's not the guy that runs the deli around

01:06:40.740 --> 01:06:42.400
the corner. So let's not

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.300
pretend everyone's the same.

01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.620
Like every single demographic has

01:06:46.620 --> 01:06:48.980
nice guys, okay guys

01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.080
and dickheads. And you could

01:06:51.080 --> 01:06:53.000
apply that to the gay community, the black

01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.440
community, whatever, like, you know,

01:06:55.780 --> 01:06:56.800
what's wrong with judging

01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:58.840
people on their individual character. That's

01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:00.540
what I thought we were about. But

01:07:00.540 --> 01:07:02.900
so he's great at that. And so

01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:04.760
suddenly this kind of whole thing

01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:06.580
has been focused massively on

01:07:06.580 --> 01:07:07.900
Islam now.

01:07:08.600 --> 01:07:10.380
And it's growing, unfortunately, that

01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:13.020
whole kind of rhetoric, which is very divisive

01:07:13.020 --> 01:07:14.660
and it's

01:07:14.660 --> 01:07:16.580
not very helpful at all. He's obviously

01:07:16.580 --> 01:07:18.580
out in Israel licking the wall on a regular

01:07:19.240 --> 01:07:20.440
basis, you know, so obviously

01:07:20.980 --> 01:07:22.520
he's doing the bidding for them

01:07:22.520 --> 01:07:24.240
because they love that, which is why

01:07:24.750 --> 01:07:26.860
recent emails that were released of Jeffrey Epstein

01:07:26.860 --> 01:07:28.700
where he's talking very, very happily

01:07:28.700 --> 01:07:30.700
about Tommy Robinson saying to Dave

01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:32.700
Bannon, Steve Bannon sort of saying to Steve Bannon

01:07:32.700 --> 01:07:34.540
like that it's amazing you got to talk

01:07:34.540 --> 01:07:36.840
Tommy Robinson. Of course, a Mossad

01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:38.580
agent is going to be a fan of Tommy

01:07:38.580 --> 01:07:40.520
Robinson because they've got the same goal, which is the

01:07:40.520 --> 01:07:41.820
vilification of Muslims.

01:07:42.540 --> 01:07:44.740
For the record, I don't support any religion

01:07:44.740 --> 01:07:46.700
but, you know, I also don't

01:07:46.700 --> 01:07:48.420
hate individuals

01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:50.800
and people because I, you know,

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.620
I think we're one human family. But

01:07:53.100 --> 01:07:54.540
what I do find interesting

01:07:54.540 --> 01:07:56.860
on the subject again to go, I guess, full circle

01:07:56.860 --> 01:07:58.320
with digital ID

01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.460
is Tommy Robinson who's got a massive

01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:02.580
following, you know, he had, he said

01:08:02.580 --> 01:08:04.600
three million people he got on the streets of London

01:08:04.600 --> 01:08:06.500
it wasn't three million people or anywhere

01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:07.700
near, but it was a lot.

01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:10.560
He's done

01:08:10.560 --> 01:08:12.480
one tweet on the day that digital

01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.500
ID was announced saying he doesn't want it

01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:16.380
apart from that he's never mentioned it again

01:08:16.860 --> 01:08:18.440
he's never called

01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:20.640
for his followers to support

01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:22.520
any of the protests against digital ID

01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.580
when we had a massive protest

01:08:24.580 --> 01:08:26.680
against digital ID in London he flew out

01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.400
to Israel all expenses paid

01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:30.380
to go and lick the wall and make propaganda videos

01:08:30.380 --> 01:08:32.320
rather than this and then

01:08:32.320 --> 01:08:34.280
rather than oppose digital ID

01:08:34.280 --> 01:08:36.060
even though he could have made a big difference

01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:37.900
in terms of the number of people that followed him, you know

01:08:37.900 --> 01:08:39.760
if he put a tweet out saying the date and the time

01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.620
he would have brought hundreds of thousands probably

01:08:41.620 --> 01:08:42.740
he's got that sway at the moment

01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:45.700
and then to make it even more interesting

01:08:45.700 --> 01:08:48.280
we've got a protest in London on the 13th

01:08:48.280 --> 01:08:49.920
of December which we're trying to make

01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.140
as huge as possible Fiona Rose Diamond

01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.320
who's fantastic

01:08:53.320 --> 01:08:55.980
organizer of protests was huge in the Covid

01:08:55.980 --> 01:08:57.320
era in terms of that

01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.740
has been trying to put together this

01:08:59.740 --> 01:09:01.800
massive protest for December 13

01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.120
she got a phone call from the Metropolitan Police

01:09:04.120 --> 01:09:04.880
yesterday

01:09:05.700 --> 01:09:07.940
saying that they'd been approached by Tommy Robinson

01:09:07.940 --> 01:09:09.740
who'd asked them

01:09:09.740 --> 01:09:12.040
to basically ask

01:09:12.040 --> 01:09:13.780
her if she could move

01:09:13.780 --> 01:09:15.700
the digital ID protest

01:09:15.700 --> 01:09:17.860
because he was having a Christian

01:09:17.860 --> 01:09:19.840
protest putting Christ back in Christmas

01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:21.940
protest in the centre of London

01:09:21.940 --> 01:09:23.040
so

01:09:23.700 --> 01:09:25.980
we're at a position where not only are you not

01:09:25.980 --> 01:09:27.540
speaking out against digital ID

01:09:27.540 --> 01:09:28.860
or you know

01:09:28.860 --> 01:09:30.860
basically trying to get your followers to support

01:09:30.860 --> 01:09:32.760
protests against digital ID and stand up

01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:33.820
and fight back against them

01:09:33.820 --> 01:09:37.600
but you're actively using the Metropolitan Police

01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:38.800
as an errand boy

01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:39.720
and a messenger boy

01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:41.680
you're actively trying

01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:43.420
to undermine

01:09:44.100 --> 01:09:45.860
digital ID protest in London

01:09:45.860 --> 01:09:48.900
and you know call me a conspiracy theorist

01:09:48.900 --> 01:09:50.920
but I'm starting to ask questions now

01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.100
you're making too much sense Garrett

01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:55.060
I think that's probably why you and your father

01:09:55.060 --> 01:09:57.280
have been censored so much over the years man

01:09:57.860 --> 01:09:59.060
so I think the moral

01:09:59.060 --> 01:10:00.620
of the story basically is you know

01:10:00.620 --> 01:10:03.020
don't put your faith into

01:10:03.020 --> 01:10:04.660
Tommy Robinson or

01:10:04.660 --> 01:10:06.040
Donald Trump or Tony Blair

01:10:06.040 --> 01:10:08.580
Russell Brand don't put your faith into people

01:10:08.580 --> 01:10:10.920
or politics but your faith into principles

01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:12.260
right? 100%

01:10:12.260 --> 01:10:14.480
and in the US right now there's this

01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:17.060
kind of conversation that's happening on the right

01:10:17.060 --> 01:10:18.820
there's a fracture

01:10:18.820 --> 01:10:21.020
within MAGA and people are

01:10:21.020 --> 01:10:22.900
you know are we make America great

01:10:22.900 --> 01:10:24.920
again are we going with the Nick Fuentes camp

01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:26.600
are we America first and like

01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:28.700
my response to that is like no

01:10:28.700 --> 01:10:30.700
but we're neither of those things we need to

01:10:30.700 --> 01:10:32.760
put liberty first like we put

01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.700
the ideas first we put the principles first

01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:36.780
we don't put these people up on a pedestal because

01:10:36.780 --> 01:10:38.820
they're always going to betray

01:10:38.820 --> 01:10:40.820
us one way or another right or they're not

01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:43.120
going to hold true to their word or the campaign promises

01:10:43.120 --> 01:10:44.800
I mean I don't know how many times we have to

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:45.900
go through this process

01:10:45.900 --> 01:10:47.900
before the people start to get it

01:10:47.900 --> 01:10:49.740
and we could go all the way back to

01:10:49.740 --> 01:10:51.900
Bush and Obama and all these people

01:10:51.900 --> 01:10:53.740
I mean they all had their own campaign

01:10:53.740 --> 01:10:55.720
promises I sounded grand they sounded

01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.160
really promising they sounded like

01:10:57.160 --> 01:10:59.840
the future of America that we want but

01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:01.500
you know again time after time

01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:03.540
we've just been deceived we've been

01:11:03.540 --> 01:11:05.240
fooled and you know it

01:11:05.740 --> 01:11:07.520
kind of blows my mind that it's still

01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.920
so effective the two-party system

01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:11.880
the uniparty is still so effective and

01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:13.840
really moving the ball forward

01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.460
for the globalists and

01:11:15.460 --> 01:11:17.180
the state so

01:11:17.180 --> 01:11:19.540
we are getting a little low on time here though in fact

01:11:19.540 --> 01:11:21.480
we've got a few minutes over luckily Matt

01:11:21.480 --> 01:11:23.020
could stay a little bit longer today but

01:11:23.020 --> 01:11:25.620
at the end of our podcast we always try

01:11:25.620 --> 01:11:27.360
to serve up a white pill question

01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:29.640
and leave on a positive note right

01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:30.860
we could get into some

01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:33.420
you know some dark and I don't know heavy

01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:35.660
topics and conversations during this podcast

01:11:35.660 --> 01:11:37.760
so we try to always end on

01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.700
a positive optimistic

01:11:39.700 --> 01:11:41.920
uplifting note so Matt's going to do that

01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:43.940
but I had one that I wanted to sneak in

01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:45.520
before and

01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:47.900
God man I almost feel a little embarrassed asking this

01:11:47.900 --> 01:11:49.860
question you have to forgive me because I'm sure it's a little

01:11:49.860 --> 01:11:51.100
annoying but it does seem relevant

01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:53.800
and it's the same question I asked Sean Stone when

01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:55.920
we interviewed him back in 2022 because

01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:57.880
his father is of course the great

01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.020
filmmaker Oliver Stone but I was

01:12:00.020 --> 01:12:01.460
wondering man if you could just tell us

01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:03.720
it doesn't have to be long briefly you know

01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.180
like what it was like growing up with your father being David Ike

01:12:06.180 --> 01:12:08.020
I think a lot of people in our circles

01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:09.720
know him as like this you know high

01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:11.400
profile conspiracy theorist

01:12:11.400 --> 01:12:13.820
but he was also professional soccer player

01:12:13.820 --> 01:12:15.760
and after he retired from sports he was like

01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:17.640
a what like a BBC sports presenter

01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.740
and commentator so yeah how did that

01:12:19.740 --> 01:12:21.500
experience shape who you are today

01:12:21.500 --> 01:12:23.580
my basic training mate

01:12:23.580 --> 01:12:25.220
I love it

01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:27.680
he'd retired

01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:29.820
through injury before I was born so I never

01:12:29.820 --> 01:12:31.560
got to see the football side

01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:33.860
but I grew up

01:12:33.860 --> 01:12:35.860
obviously with a you know TV presenter dad

01:12:35.860 --> 01:12:37.840
he was very popular and you know

01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.920
see days before camera phones and stuff like

01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:41.660
that but whenever you went out you know people would

01:12:41.660 --> 01:12:43.880
come up and ask to for an autograph

01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.520
or to shake his hand or whatever

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.020
and then suddenly what felt like

01:12:48.020 --> 01:12:49.720
immediately people were shouting abuse

01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.620
and laughing and stuff in the street and

01:12:51.620 --> 01:12:53.680
you know we had the media camped

01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:55.700
outside the house and they were following

01:12:55.700 --> 01:12:57.400
me to school with my friends and

01:12:57.400 --> 01:12:59.760
you know some of my mum was having to give me a ride

01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:01.400
to school instead and then they

01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:03.740
the media went and

01:13:03.740 --> 01:13:05.340
offered money to

01:13:05.340 --> 01:13:07.660
parents of friends of mine always always

01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:08.700
poor parents

01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:11.040
to basically say bad stuff about

01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:13.440
our family all of them refused

01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:15.400
which is incredible because a lot of them could have done

01:13:15.400 --> 01:13:17.260
with the money so that

01:13:17.260 --> 01:13:19.220
really gave me a real eye

01:13:19.220 --> 01:13:20.520
opener in terms of

01:13:21.080 --> 01:13:23.140
what the media will do and also how

01:13:23.140 --> 01:13:25.280
vicious and nasty people can be you know

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:27.240
because I was only a young kid

01:13:27.240 --> 01:13:29.240
and I had kids coming up to me and saying stuff

01:13:29.240 --> 01:13:31.320
at school that there's no way it'd come from them

01:13:31.320 --> 01:13:33.240
because you know they've not been sat reading

01:13:33.240 --> 01:13:35.040
the newspaper so it's come from the parents

01:13:36.200 --> 01:13:37.320
which confuses me

01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:39.080
massively because I think you know I've got

01:13:39.080 --> 01:13:40.740
a four year old and a seven year old

01:13:40.740 --> 01:13:42.440
the idea that there's a kid

01:13:42.980 --> 01:13:45.480
at my daughter's school whose parents have got

01:13:45.480 --> 01:13:47.240
some issues going on in the media and I

01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:49.320
you know would fill

01:13:49.320 --> 01:13:50.760
my kids head full of

01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.040
spiteful stuff to say to that child that

01:13:53.040 --> 01:13:54.580
blows my mind but there you go

01:13:54.580 --> 01:13:57.300
and so for a long time I kind of was a bit

01:13:57.300 --> 01:13:58.640
bitter about it to be honest

01:13:59.180 --> 01:14:01.260
not towards my father we always got on great

01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:03.360
but in terms of you know bitter about that

01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:04.980
stuff but

01:14:04.980 --> 01:14:05.700
but it knocked

01:14:07.620 --> 01:14:09.260
the caring what people think

01:14:09.260 --> 01:14:11.440
out of me and so

01:14:11.440 --> 01:14:13.120
you know when you have conversations with people

01:14:13.120 --> 01:14:15.580
and they'll go I don't care what people think and you look at them and you go

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:17.600
yeah you do

01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:19.360
yeah you do when it

01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:20.740
comes down to it yeah you do

01:14:21.220 --> 01:14:23.380
but for me you know I care what my kids

01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:25.020
thinking I care what my wife thinks but

01:14:25.020 --> 01:14:27.280
if I believe something to be true I'm

01:14:27.280 --> 01:14:29.280
gonna say it and if you

01:14:29.280 --> 01:14:31.320
want to give me some shit for that then that's fine

01:14:31.320 --> 01:14:33.340
because I had a whole childhood full of that stuff

01:14:33.340 --> 01:14:34.420
so that doesn't bother me

01:14:34.860 --> 01:14:37.140
and so I remember during

01:14:37.140 --> 01:14:39.200
the COVID sort of the start of it

01:14:39.200 --> 01:14:41.220
I was like obviously just shouting from the rooftops

01:14:41.220 --> 01:14:43.140
from the beginning and I was getting messages from people

01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:45.200
I used to work with and people used to play football with

01:14:45.200 --> 01:14:47.280
and ice hockey with and whatever they were like mate

01:14:47.280 --> 01:14:48.760
I agree with you but

01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.120
I can't say that like I'll lose my job or

01:14:51.120 --> 01:14:53.080
you know my mother-in-law left me bollocks off

01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:54.900
or you know whatever reason it was

01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:57.040
and I had other people saying you know

01:14:57.900 --> 01:14:58.840
how do you

01:14:59.540 --> 01:15:00.920
speak out like that man

01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:02.960
and I'm like it was then

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:04.880
when it dawned on me and I said that

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.540
term that I said at the start of this was like

01:15:06.540 --> 01:15:09.080
that was my basic training and now it all makes sense

01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:10.740
because it didn't make sense to me before

01:15:10.740 --> 01:15:12.800
I was like what you know like that was horrible

01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:14.880
stuff you know that was vicious me dad was

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:16.580
getting so much abuse and stuff like that

01:15:16.580 --> 01:15:18.680
and we were as kids and this is horrible

01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:20.040
like what the hell was that about

01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:23.140
and now I'm 43 and I'm sat here going yes mate

01:15:23.540 --> 01:15:24.760
that's what that was about

01:15:25.420 --> 01:15:27.260
it knocked the caring about

01:15:27.260 --> 01:15:28.460
what people thought out of me

01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:30.200
definitely knocked out my dad

01:15:30.780 --> 01:15:32.720
and of course my brother as well

01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.000
and so it kind of that childhood

01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.320
gave us the ability to stand on a stage

01:15:37.320 --> 01:15:38.820
or a protest or whatever

01:15:38.820 --> 01:15:41.340
and say what we believe to be true

01:15:42.140 --> 01:15:43.680
and if it gets me bundled into

01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.200
a police car or chucked into

01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:47.520
a rucksack and chucked in a reservoir

01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.480
then so be it

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:50.080
you know what I mean it is what it is

01:15:50.700 --> 01:15:52.800
and so yeah that's that's my

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:55.080
growing up with him as a father

01:15:55.080 --> 01:15:56.020
for sure

01:15:56.540 --> 01:15:58.900
well it worked man everything that you guys did

01:15:58.900 --> 01:16:00.380
that you guys did as a family

01:16:00.380 --> 01:16:02.040
it seems to be working very well man

01:16:02.040 --> 01:16:03.820
so before we let you go

01:16:03.820 --> 01:16:06.040
I just you know I want to thank you for what you're doing

01:16:06.040 --> 01:16:07.860
for coming on and what you're doing man

01:16:07.860 --> 01:16:10.120
with Geradike tonight and you know all the things

01:16:10.120 --> 01:16:11.380
you're doing on the iconic network

01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:13.360
it's very desperately needed

01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:15.800
and you know your consistency

01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.820
and adherence to principles

01:16:17.820 --> 01:16:19.360
are rare

01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:20.680
and today

01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:22.780
not on our podcast right we have

01:16:22.780 --> 01:16:25.080
we always have like very consistently

01:16:25.080 --> 01:16:27.460
consistent principled people on our podcast

01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:29.060
but it's always

01:16:29.060 --> 01:16:31.300
love to meet new people who stick to their

01:16:31.300 --> 01:16:33.020
principles and it was great to meet you today man

01:16:33.020 --> 01:16:34.460
and your father

01:16:34.460 --> 01:16:37.380
he was very instrumental in waking me up

01:16:37.380 --> 01:16:38.680
man and so I

01:16:39.260 --> 01:16:42.120
after listening to this conversation with you for the last hour and a half

01:16:42.120 --> 01:16:43.260
I know he must be really proud

01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:45.640
to see you carrying the torch man because it's shining bright

01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.480
I appreciate that mate thank you

01:16:48.080 --> 01:16:49.460
oh for sure man so

01:16:49.460 --> 01:16:51.260
that principled stance you know that's like

01:16:51.260 --> 01:16:54.220
that's at the heart of this white pill that you kind of

01:16:54.220 --> 01:16:55.220
hinted at earlier

01:16:55.220 --> 01:16:57.640
when you said that people would come up to you and they're like

01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:59.440
you know no politician's going to save you

01:16:59.440 --> 01:17:01.520
no one's going to do that and like you would tell them

01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:03.580
that you're the answer right like no politician

01:17:03.580 --> 01:17:05.260
is going to save you we've you know

01:17:05.260 --> 01:17:07.060
we spent the last hour and a half

01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.260
dissecting this dark side of the world

01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:11.500
with digital ID and the political theater

01:17:11.500 --> 01:17:12.820
and all that and these

01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.780
piper propagandists who come to promise

01:17:15.780 --> 01:17:17.660
you know change and fool the masses

01:17:18.280 --> 01:17:19.580
it's like you said earlier

01:17:19.580 --> 01:17:21.420
it is easy to get blackpilled

01:17:21.420 --> 01:17:23.700
or get you know put in that camp

01:17:23.700 --> 01:17:25.760
to think that you're blackpilled you know by the

01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:27.780
just by looking at the sheer scale

01:17:27.780 --> 01:17:28.980
of the system you know but

01:17:29.630 --> 01:17:31.680
the your message and our messages are

01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.620
pretty similar in saying that you know

01:17:33.620 --> 01:17:35.660
power rests with the individual and

01:17:35.660 --> 01:17:37.620
so if keeping

01:17:37.620 --> 01:17:39.760
faith like Jason said not faith in politicians

01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:41.720
or systems that are built

01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:43.300
on exploiting people but

01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:45.660
keeping faith in absolute principles

01:17:45.660 --> 01:17:47.040
and personal action

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:49.120
is is that let's say that's the way

01:17:49.120 --> 01:17:50.340
forward for a better society

01:17:50.340 --> 01:17:53.000
what does that look like on a practical level

01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:55.080
like so how would you tell

01:17:55.080 --> 01:17:57.180
the normies if you will like the

01:17:57.180 --> 01:17:58.880
people are still caught up in this two-party

01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.060
media cycle that are infighting over irrelevant

01:18:01.060 --> 01:18:02.120
garbage

01:18:02.120 --> 01:18:05.100
what tangible steps can they take today

01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:06.900
to move from being

01:18:06.900 --> 01:18:09.040
a victim of the control

01:18:09.040 --> 01:18:11.160
grid to being a sovereign

01:18:11.160 --> 01:18:11.920
force for change

01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.360
I think the first the first

01:18:15.030 --> 01:18:16.800
move that I think people need to make

01:18:17.780 --> 01:18:19.780
is to be their authentic self

01:18:19.780 --> 01:18:21.380
and that sounds like a really

01:18:21.380 --> 01:18:23.320
like like an obvious thing to say

01:18:23.320 --> 01:18:25.300
but I don't think most people are

01:18:25.300 --> 01:18:26.980
I think most people

01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:28.220
think

01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:31.300
how is this going to affect me before they say

01:18:31.300 --> 01:18:33.280
something how is this going to look

01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:34.780
to other people

01:18:34.780 --> 01:18:36.240
before they do anything

01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.020
and they end up basically being an ever

01:18:39.020 --> 01:18:40.380
just a slightly diluted

01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:42.520
version of what they should be

01:18:43.060 --> 01:18:44.600
and if everyone does that

01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:46.460
then you kind of end up with a mangled

01:18:46.860 --> 01:18:47.660
mush of nothing

01:18:48.700 --> 01:18:50.440
now I'm not a religious man like

01:18:50.440 --> 01:18:52.700
at all never have been but I do believe

01:18:52.700 --> 01:18:54.040
that each of us is

01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.500
an incredibly powerful being

01:18:56.500 --> 01:18:57.740
and that we're here for a reason

01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:00.600
and so I think that by

01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.580
not being our authentic selves

01:19:02.580 --> 01:19:04.320
and by editing ourselves

01:19:04.320 --> 01:19:05.660
and diluting ourselves

01:19:05.660 --> 01:19:07.140
that we're almost

01:19:07.660 --> 01:19:09.360
well we're doing the world a disservice

01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:11.500
for one and we're doing

01:19:11.500 --> 01:19:13.500
ourselves a disservice and you know this is what

01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:15.100
I say to my kids like

01:19:15.780 --> 01:19:17.300
the same thing is

01:19:18.120 --> 01:19:19.540
you know whatever you believe

01:19:19.540 --> 01:19:21.400
you know you can believe that we're worm food

01:19:21.400 --> 01:19:22.920
or that we're reincarnated

01:19:23.420 --> 01:19:25.380
on the wheel of samsara like countless

01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.700
times or whatever but even if

01:19:27.700 --> 01:19:29.480
you are you're only

01:19:29.480 --> 01:19:31.460
you once right so

01:19:32.160 --> 01:19:33.680
you're only in this

01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:35.540
body and in this realm

01:19:35.540 --> 01:19:37.280
and in this you know

01:19:37.280 --> 01:19:39.580
I'm only gareth once right because whatever

01:19:39.580 --> 01:19:41.720
happens afterwards then you know I do whatever

01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:43.600
and so I sort of owe it

01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.440
to myself to be completely authentic

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:47.160
and honest and open and

01:19:47.500 --> 01:19:49.360
the best version of myself as I can be

01:19:49.360 --> 01:19:51.120
now I think you know as

01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:53.560
obvious as that sounds like I say I don't think

01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:55.440
most people do that I think

01:19:55.440 --> 01:19:57.500
people kind of try a bit to be

01:19:57.500 --> 01:19:59.500
themselves but tend to edit certain

01:19:59.500 --> 01:20:02.040
parts to be more palatable

01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:04.540
to the rest which everyone else

01:20:04.540 --> 01:20:05.720
is doing at the same time

01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:07.860
and so in the end you

01:20:07.860 --> 01:20:09.600
end up with with no

01:20:10.240 --> 01:20:11.760
authenticity no honesty

01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:13.840
no truth not really

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.100
you know even if you're taking a photo

01:20:16.100 --> 01:20:18.060
on Instagram you're taking 45

01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:19.380
takes and 20 filters

01:20:20.080 --> 01:20:21.920
even at that base level of social

01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:23.920
media posting you know no one's being authentic

01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.220
and so

01:20:26.040 --> 01:20:27.720
I think if you want a truthful

01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.980
world and authentic sincere

01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:30.820
honest

01:20:32.420 --> 01:20:33.220
world with

01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:35.980
mutual respect which is how we get to

01:20:35.980 --> 01:20:37.680
any form of utopia I think

01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.180
you just have to have respect

01:20:39.180 --> 01:20:41.900
if I respect you I'm not going to shit on you

01:20:41.900 --> 01:20:43.720
and if you respect me you're not going to shit on me

01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:45.580
we can disagree about a bunch of stuff

01:20:45.580 --> 01:20:47.760
but if we have enough respect for each other

01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.580
to not shit on each other then people will not

01:20:49.580 --> 01:20:50.320
get shit on

01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:53.800
I probably could have worded that slightly

01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:55.720
more highbrow than that but you get my point

01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:55.940
right

01:20:57.220 --> 01:20:58.180
and so

01:20:58.180 --> 01:20:59.220
that would be I think

01:20:59.220 --> 01:21:00.860
a real place to start

01:21:00.860 --> 01:21:02.620
who am I

01:21:02.620 --> 01:21:04.940
and that's what I've been saying to people about

01:21:04.940 --> 01:21:07.080
digital idea about having these conversations

01:21:07.080 --> 01:21:08.920
with yourself and saying

01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.600
how far am I willing to go to resist this

01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:13.640
because if my answer is well

01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:15.940
I'll resist it until they do

01:21:15.940 --> 01:21:17.900
such and such well you might as well do it now then mate

01:21:17.900 --> 01:21:19.400
because they're going to do such and such

01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:20.440
so

01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:22.960
you need to have that conversation with yourself

01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:24.500
and how far you're going to go

01:21:24.500 --> 01:21:25.520
and really

01:21:26.100 --> 01:21:27.460
get deep into it

01:21:27.460 --> 01:21:30.260
and so I think that's what people can do

01:21:30.260 --> 01:21:32.460
to make things better for themselves

01:21:32.460 --> 01:21:33.220
is to actually

01:21:33.900 --> 01:21:36.160
learn who they are like who are you

01:21:36.160 --> 01:21:38.140
what is your reason for being

01:21:38.140 --> 01:21:39.560
what is your purpose here

01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:40.600
what do you want from life

01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:41.740
what are you offering

01:21:41.740 --> 01:21:43.600
what is the real you

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:48.060
what is it about you

01:21:48.060 --> 01:21:50.220
that is completely unique

01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:51.580
because you are unique

01:21:52.120 --> 01:21:53.120
like you are

01:21:53.120 --> 01:21:55.840
and so once you can identify that

01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:58.360
and really step into who that person is

01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:00.040
you'll present yourself to the world

01:22:00.040 --> 01:22:00.880
in a different way

01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:03.340
and so by bettering yourself

01:22:03.340 --> 01:22:05.820
you inspire those around you

01:22:05.820 --> 01:22:08.180
in your immediate family and your friendship group

01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:09.160
and your work circles

01:22:09.160 --> 01:22:10.560
suddenly people look at you and go

01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.860
I like what that dude is doing

01:22:13.860 --> 01:22:15.860
and so then people

01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:18.000
are inspired to do the same

01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:19.000
and suddenly in no time

01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.040
your whole friendship group is

01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:22.820
starting to better themselves right

01:22:22.820 --> 01:22:26.000
and that will spread out

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:27.560
through the population quicker

01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:28.740
than I think people realize

01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:31.640
so that would be one place to start

01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:33.800
because again that goes back

01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:35.040
to what we've been talking about

01:22:35.040 --> 01:22:36.700
that politicians aren't going to save you

01:22:36.700 --> 01:22:37.900
you're going to save you

01:22:37.900 --> 01:22:41.020
so what version of you is the version that's going to save you

01:22:41.020 --> 01:22:43.060
the only version that's going to save you

01:22:43.060 --> 01:22:44.380
is the authentic one

01:22:44.380 --> 01:22:45.660
hell yeah man

01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.980
isn't it crazy how

01:22:48.740 --> 01:22:50.640
some of the most profound

01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:52.280
solutions

01:22:52.280 --> 01:22:54.040
in this world are

01:22:54.660 --> 01:22:55.620
cliches like that

01:22:55.620 --> 01:22:57.020
I wonder if it's deliberate man

01:22:58.600 --> 01:22:59.260
I'm not

01:23:00.160 --> 01:23:02.340
discounting at all I think that the cliched term

01:23:02.340 --> 01:23:04.020
we often say

01:23:04.020 --> 01:23:05.960
be the change you want to see in this world

01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:08.400
and it sounds so cliche but it's

01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:09.080
the solution

01:23:10.200 --> 01:23:11.520
that's what we have to do

01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:12.740
that's the way through this

01:23:12.740 --> 01:23:14.580
100%

01:23:14.580 --> 01:23:17.840
the three chord songs are the best songs

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.420
ever written

01:23:20.420 --> 01:23:22.020
but it's true isn't it

01:23:22.020 --> 01:23:23.020
and I think you're right

01:23:23.020 --> 01:23:25.200
we say that in terms of

01:23:25.200 --> 01:23:27.420
it's a cliche and it's like yeah because it's true

01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:30.020
exactly it's a known truth

01:23:30.020 --> 01:23:31.860
and I think people dismiss it

01:23:31.860 --> 01:23:33.860
because of that but they need to pay more attention

01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:36.280
and stop being passive reverberators

01:23:36.280 --> 01:23:37.560
of what the cult is saying

01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:39.720
and think outside of that cult even if you might get

01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:41.800
turned into a black sheep because you don't

01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.800
want to be in that damn cult anyway because they're running off

01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:45.240
of a damn cliff amen

01:23:45.820 --> 01:23:47.980
hey free thinkers this is Matt Agarist

01:23:47.980 --> 01:23:49.660
and I'm going to take a quick pause to remind

01:23:49.660 --> 01:23:51.680
you of something really important first

01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:53.840
off apologies for the interruption but

01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:55.580
if you're still here that means you're

01:23:55.580 --> 01:23:57.840
resonating with what we're doing and we need

01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:58.960
your help to keep it alive

01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:01.680
independent platforms like ours don't survive

01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:03.700
on corporate sponsorships or mainstream

01:24:03.700 --> 01:24:05.560
media funding we survive

01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:07.800
because of you if you're finding

01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.900
value in these unfiltered conversations and

01:24:09.900 --> 01:24:11.840
real solutions the best way to

01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:13.440
support us is by liking subscribing

01:24:13.440 --> 01:24:15.920
and sharing this podcast with your friends

01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.900
and fellow free thinkers it's a

01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:19.460
small act but it's a powerful one

01:24:19.460 --> 01:24:21.680
it helps us break through the censorship and

01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:23.780
algorithms designed to silence voices

01:24:23.780 --> 01:24:24.380
like ours

01:24:25.620 --> 01:24:27.780
this isn't just about supporting a podcast

01:24:27.780 --> 01:24:29.720
it's about standing for freedom

01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.820
exposing corruption and building a

01:24:31.820 --> 01:24:33.400
movement that inspires real change

01:24:33.400 --> 01:24:35.840
and if you want to go beyond liking

01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:38.020
and sharing we'd love for you to become a member

01:24:38.020 --> 01:24:40.060
of the free thought project just head

01:24:40.060 --> 01:24:41.880
over to the free thought project dot com

01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:43.580
and click on the TFTP

01:24:43.580 --> 01:24:45.820
membership link at the top of the page

01:24:45.820 --> 01:24:47.820
as a member you'll be directly

01:24:47.820 --> 01:24:49.840
supporting our mission and helping us to stay

01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.140
independent your support is what keeps

01:24:52.140 --> 01:24:53.800
this platform alive and fighting

01:24:54.280 --> 01:24:55.900
so thank you for being part

01:24:55.900 --> 01:24:57.960
of this journey for sharing these ideas

01:24:57.960 --> 01:24:59.620
and for standing with us

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:02.060
man Garrett dude

01:25:02.060 --> 01:25:03.600
thank you so much for coming on here

01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.360
before we log off here

01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:07.520
can you tell everybody where they can

01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:08.740
find and support your work?

01:25:09.060 --> 01:25:11.540
yes if you head over to iconic.com

01:25:11.540 --> 01:25:13.560
which is I C K O N

01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.560
I C dot com

01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:17.880
we've got weekly shows and documentaries

01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.400
and films and stuff on there

01:25:19.400 --> 01:25:21.740
for now I'm on X I always say for now

01:25:21.740 --> 01:25:22.880
because I don't trust Elon Musk

01:25:23.440 --> 01:25:25.380
so I'm on X just under my name

01:25:25.380 --> 01:25:27.500
Gareth Ike and the same with Instagram

01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:29.660
and I'm posting lots of clips

01:25:29.660 --> 01:25:31.680
and interviews and things like that all the time

01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:33.720
and I do a few you know entertainment

01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:36.220
things as well like I run a walking channel

01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:37.580
on YouTube and things because I think

01:25:37.580 --> 01:25:39.820
you need some light with the dark right

01:25:39.820 --> 01:25:41.600
and I think that's something that

01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:43.000
you know the alternative media

01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.660
kind of misses a bit is that it can

01:25:45.660 --> 01:25:47.580
all be you know doom and gloom with our

01:25:47.580 --> 01:25:49.800
you know emergency Sunday broadcasts

01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:51.760
and all that stuff when when actually

01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:53.740
you know it is a beautiful

01:25:53.740 --> 01:25:55.520
world with some beautiful people in it so

01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:57.320
it's worth focusing on that as well

01:25:58.420 --> 01:25:59.640
absolutely thank you man

01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:01.360
it was a pleasure thank you so much Gareth

01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:03.700
I loved it mate appreciate it

01:26:03.700 --> 01:26:05.380
thank you and thanks for humoring me with

01:26:05.380 --> 01:26:07.240
you know parent life

01:26:13.160 --> 01:26:15.560
thank you for listening to the

01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:17.480
free thought project podcast

01:26:18.100 --> 01:26:19.820
and please don't forget to rate

01:26:19.820 --> 01:26:21.320
review and subscribe

01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:24.900
free minds

01:26:25.700 --> 01:26:26.780
free people