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All right, so our guest today is a musician.
He's an author.
He's a broadcaster and an unapologetic truth teller.
He hosts several shows on the iconic network and is the son of the great David Ike.
So our guest today is Gareth Ike.
Gareth, welcome to the Free Thought Project podcast, and thanks for joining us, Amigo.
It's absolute pleasure.
Sorry it took so long.
That's me being the most disorganized man, I think, this side of the Atlantic, to be honest.
No, no, you're just busy.
You're just busier in high demand.
So it's all good, man.
No worries.
Glad that you're here with us today.
And you know, when I was researching your bio for this intro, I was impressed that
before you got into the media side of things, you were actually a touring musician in the early 2000s.
And I suppose we have that in common because I don't really talk about it much on the podcast
because it does feel like a different life.
But I actually played drums in a band, toured the U.S. twice and produced several records.
So that's super cool.
And yeah, I think I even read that you had a solo career after that
and wrote a book entitled How Not To Be A Rockstar.
I love it, man.
Yeah.
How, yeah.
How to fail in style.
I'd love to hear your tunes, mate.
Yeah, I, you know, I'm the same as you, to be honest, mate.
Well, it actually was a different life.
And in the last kind of, maybe the last year or so, there's been a few, or maybe two years, actually,
there's been a few sort of freedom festivals that have popped up in the UK.
You know, it's like anything, some are better than others, some are, you know, a bit of a shambles,
but others are pretty well organized and I've played some of them.
And I've really enjoyed getting, you know, getting the guitar out and playing again.
And it's funny because the life is so separate from now that when I would turn up at these freedom festivals,
you know, people would come up and say, oh, what's your, you know, what's your speech on today?
Or what's your, you know, workshop on today?
I'm like, I'm not, I'm just going to play some tunes.
And they're like, what?
I had no idea.
And it is like two separate lives.
But, you know, I don't, I don't know if you do, but I don't miss it, like the touring and stuff.
I really don't miss that at all.
And when I stopped touring, I thought, I really thought I would, it's like, I'm not ready to quit.
But yeah, those sort of like six weeks or more on the road, sleeping in a van, freezing your backside off.
It doesn't appeal to me anymore.
Plus your kids now, you know, that's a big, that's a game changer.
Oh, totally me.
Actually, I actually, I played, it was a bit stupid to be honest, but I played a festival up in the, in the Lake District,
which, to be honest, in terms of North American distances is nothing from where I am.
It's like a four hour drive, which obviously in the US is that's just popping to the corner shop in it.
But in England, like, obviously it's a massive, that's a massive chunk of the country.
And yeah, I played this festival and I probably came off stage about 10 half 10 at night.
And yeah, the idea of like, kipping over, staying in a van or something, I was like, now I'm just going to drive home,
just so I could wake up in the same house as the kids, you know, like, I don't like being away from them.
But then, you know, about three hours later, I could feel myself slowly struggling to stay awake at the wheel.
And I was thinking this was a really stupid decision.
But yeah, I'm the same mate, I can't, being away from them as much as they're in a nightmare phase at the minute.
Like they just, I've got two girls and they just, even though it's a three year gap,
they just fight, but the youngest is the most aggressive.
So I'll come in sometimes from work and I'll walk in the door and I've got to turn around to my three year old
and say, can you let the seven year old out of the headlock, please?
You know, it's like, as much as it's crazy, I wouldn't be away from it if I didn't have to be.
Yes, yes, yes, I totally get it.
I totally understand and onto better and bigger things than the music scene, right?
I mean, I'm sure, yeah, it was fun while it lasted.
I think maybe it's more of an early 20s, mid 20s endeavor.
And as you start to get older, you start to realize that there are more important things in life than just playing some rock tunes.
And in fact, for years, Matt, you know, Matt had kids before I did.
And we would go, you know, on conferences and stuff together.
And he'd be like, now, man, I got to go home like a day earlier or whatever to be with the kids, to be with the family.
And I never really quite got it until I had my own kids, my own family.
And I definitely get it now.
So there is something to be said about that just wanting to be with your family and be close to them.
Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, well, as I mentioned here, starting to get into the meat potatoes here, I did want to have you on the show for a while now.
And obviously, there's a lot of overlap in the topics you talk about and the issues that we cover.
And I've been keeping, you know, an eye on your work for a few years now.
It's definitely a pleasure to talk to you, definitely grateful for your time.
And we actually had one of your colleagues at Iconic on the show back in August, 70s.
We talked about a number of things and some of them we might even touch on with you today.
But yeah, as you mentioned, I know you're in the UK.
And I know you've been talking a lot about the digital ID and even attending protests and rallies to push back against it after the PM Kier Starmer said that it would be mandatory to work.
And that all adults will be required to have one by 2029, which is crazy, absolutely crazy.
I know I recently shared a video of you talking about how this is basically our hill to die on.
And I thought you put it brilliantly.
I think most of our audience has a pretty good idea of the dangers of digital ID.
But if maybe you could get into that a bit and where this is all likely headed,
I think that might be a good place to start the conversation today.
Yeah, I mean, it was funny because it was the worst kept secret on the planet.
So the media were talking about the fact that he was going to announce Kier Starmer was going to announce digital ID.
And I kind of looked at it and I thought, I wonder if this is a testing the water exercise.
You know how they do it, where they leak stories to the media.
The media put them out there so then they can gauge public opinion.
And if there's a serious backlash, then they just don't announce it or they backpedal and say, oh, no, it was it was misinformation.
The media got, you know, we were never going to announce it or whatever.
So when when it was being leaked, I was looking at quite a lot of pushback to be honest.
And I was thinking, I wonder if he is going to announce it then or whether he's going to he's going to wait and, you know,
kind of wait till we're distracted by something else and then bring it in.
But in the end, Boulders Brassie, he comes out and announces it in his very alpha male way that only Kier Starmer can.
And straight away, you know, you saw a bit of a uniting from from the people, which was which was encouraging because here during the sort of COVID era,
there was a massive protest movement where everyone sort of put down all their their nonsense for a bit, you know, and just went, look, all right,
you know, you think I'm a far right idiot. I think you're a prat with pink hair.
But on this, let we're aligned, you know, let's let's get together.
And we did and there was real unity and then that was completely ripped apart.
Nothing more really than October 7th.
That particular event really tore the freedom movement in half in the UK.
And it's been like hella divided ever since, which is why I think Kier Starmer announced it when he did.
I think he looked at the country and thought, right, they're about as divided as as they can be.
And if they're going to withstand this and fight back against it, they're going to need to be united.
Therefore, this is a great time to try and push it in.
And that sort of backfired, guys, because, you know, people have started to to unite again.
You know, I've been a protest with people that I know think I'm a complete asshole.
And that's fine. And, you know, the feeling is often mutual, but that doesn't matter.
We need to get together to fight it.
But it's something that Tony Blair in particular, that wonderful man has wanted to introduce since he was Prime Minister in the mid 90s.
And it didn't fly then, you know, the people didn't want it.
So basically, this is one of those, you know, problem reaction solutions.
As my dad talks about where Tony Blair had this desire for this ID card, you know,
which is obviously evolved then into a digital ID and a biometric ID and stuff like that.
People didn't want it.
So Tony Blair then basically opens the borders pretty much.
And it was obviously continued with the Conservative Party afterwards because, as we know, it's a one party state.
They all are.
And then Keir Starmer comes in, who is basically Tony Blair's protege.
He is his, you know, he's a younger version of him, basically, you know, a Teamu Tony Blair to be fair.
So he's come in and has basically used the mass immigration that Tony Blair orchestrated as an excuse to implement the digital ID.
That Tony Blair wanted, you know, it's not very subtle, guys.
The reason why I think it's the hill to die on is because, you know, looking around us, there's so many different things,
so many different dystopian nightmares being thrown around.
People talk about it, whether it be the universal basic income and that sort of stuff,
which would obviously come with caveats, compliance caveats, hence why it's a bad idea for us and our freedoms.
But also, you know, the China style social credit system and all these things that we've spoken about before,
in terms of, you know, your climate footprint, whether you can only have steak on a, you know, once a week or whatever,
all these things that have been spoken about for a long time that they clearly want because they openly talk about it at Davos,
you know, every year they're quite, you know, open with it, to be honest.
None of that functions and none of that works without a digital ID.
And so for me, you know, in terms of an analogy, I've been trying to make the point that it's basically like all the different pizza toppings
are all these different dystopian nightmares and digital ID is the base.
And so if you don't have the base, yes, you've got all the toppings, but you've also got a really fricking messy kitchen.
It's not organized. It doesn't talk to each other.
And so when you stick the base in there, suddenly all these things can function as a pizza does, only unfortunately not quite as delicious.
So that's why, you know, because looking around us, everyone's focused on the digital ID as they should be.
But all the other parts that will tie into the digital ID are not just being spoken about, they're being implemented all around us.
Like even now, if you go to the supermarket and buy a sandwich, it tells you what the carbon footprint is of that sandwich.
It has it on the packaging. And so all these things have come in.
And we had a parliamentary committee meeting which here in the UK, we're told they have to all be televised.
I'm sure I'm not stupid. I'm sure they have plenty that aren't televised, but this particular one that was televised last week,
bear in mind the government have announced that this digital ID is just to stop illegal workers, which of course it isn't because if you're working illegally or you're employing people illegally,
then you sort of don't care about abiding by the law. That's the whole point.
So it's nothing to do with that.
But they're now openly talking about, you know, digital ID needed to access a bank account.
And in this parliamentary meeting, they were saying, you know, about if for instance, because it's always just as if they've just come up with it,
if for instance, the National Health Service, which again would all tie into the digital ID because all your medical history and everything is all attached to it,
you would use it to get your doctor's appointment, for instance, it's literally would be a one-stop shop.
That basically if the NHS felt that you were, you know, being unhealthy, say you were, and this is what the man said in the meeting,
he said, you know, say for instance, you were drinking a bottle of wine at night, then that could obviously your digital ID, which is attached to your bank,
could essentially say no next time you go to the off-license and try and purchase a nice bottle of, you know, Chilean Shiraz.
No, you've been drinking too much, mate. You're not allowed that.
And obviously they're framing it in that it would protect the NHS and we're only doing it for your liver.
You know, we're only doing it for your health, but obviously they don't care about me and you and our health.
So is obviously another motive there.
But it's quite interesting how they've, for me, if I was going to announce something and say it was for a certain reason,
I would do my damnedest to make people believe that.
I wouldn't keep, you know, quite openly throwing in all the other things that the conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time.
So it's interesting how it's all coming out.
But what I have noticed, guys, is that they've identified the fact that, you know, people have stood up and are not wanting it and not on board with it at all.
So it's a case of now, I think we're entering, and I did say this at the time, that we're going to enter false flag season basically.
Because what they want us to do is to one, not think critically, because you don't think critically when you're in a state of panic.
You know, you just panic.
And also they want to get MPs, members of parliament, to vote through digital ID, but they won't.
They don't have the numbers to do that because only within the Labour Party, there's a lot of MPs that don't want it either.
So they won't pass it unless they can pass it as an emergency legislation.
So as soon as, you know, I was saying that this is what I think they're going to do and, you know, I wasn't the only one saying it was pretty obvious.
Then we, I don't know if you've noticed this from over the Atlantic, but suddenly some terrorist attacks have started happening in the UK.
You know, that was COVID cured terrorism and then suddenly it's back now.
And so we've had terrorist attacks and stabbings, but all being done by different people.
So it's like one was, you know, Islamic terrorism, one was a guy that was a mental health patient.
One was an immigrant that was here illegally.
And so it's like, you can see they're trying to pick off every single demographic so that everyone is a threat and everyone is a target.
Therefore, you know, that fear really, really, really trundles through.
Now, the reason why I say MPs, you know, would vote it through as an emergency legislation is because that's what they did with the Coronavirus Act.
So here in the UK, if you put an act through Parliament, it takes a while.
And, you know, I think that the Coronavirus Act was something like 10,000 pages.
It was enormous.
And it was basically whistled through in, you know, no time.
I think it was like three readings and it was through.
No one's read 10,000 pages.
They haven't.
But these MPs will signed off because there was this state of panic.
You know, we're all going to die if we don't do something about it.
So they so they waved it through without actually reading the small print.
And then what you found was quite a few MPs, particularly sort of right leaning MPs, a few months into into the tyranny of COVID started going, well, hang on a minute.
This isn't right.
And this isn't right.
And that's not right.
And it's like, yeah, but you voted it in.
And it was all there in the small print that you clearly didn't read because you signed it through in a panic state, you know, in an emergency state.
So I think that's something that they're going to try and do even more of here to be able to get it through.
And once it does get through, then, you know, we've got a real uphill struggle here.
And it's funny because I look back at the things that don't seem particularly important really.
But, you know, when like, I don't think it was the same in the US, but basically, tills at supermarkets, they'd all be, you know, they'd all have a human on them.
And then you'd have, you know, in the 90s, a couple of automatic ones sort of popped up.
And I remember having conversations and my dad having conversations at the time with members of staff in supermarkets that were thinking it was a great idea.
And we were basically saying to them, well, yes, great idea until it's your till.
And then you don't have a job.
So there's an element of that in the, you know, they can sack people and therefore they don't have to pay them.
But the other part that I think it is, is that once you've got a digital ID and it has a social credit system attached to it.
So say you can't buy steaks because you're carbon footprint or whatever.
You can't reason with an automated till.
I mean, you can try, but I don't think you'll get that far.
Whereas if you deal with a human, you can just say, oh, come on mate, it's my wife's birthday tonight.
You know, I'm cooking steak.
That sort of, oh, go on then.
So the sod gone just this once, you know.
So I look at that and I look at all the, all the, they're all nearly automated now.
There's very few tills with humans on.
And also what they've done here is with the, with the chilled foods, you would normally just lean in, you know, you grab a steak or whatever.
What they've done is they've put doors on all of those in every supermarket.
So like all these different supermarkets all have the same idea at the same time as you can imagine.
It, it's all door, they're all doors now.
And I'm trying to talk to people about it who don't want to know.
They're going, well, yeah, but it's just, it's just because it saves energy because obviously it keeps it cooler.
And I'm like, well, yeah, that's the sales pitch, mate.
But what happens when there's a lock on that door?
Yeah.
You know, where you can't just reach in, grab it, put it in your basket and go and pay a human being.
And, you know, we found that already here in the UK where they've actually had these, these Amazon stores.
They're whole foods that are owned by Amazon that are, that are fully staffless.
There's no staff in them.
You walk in, it scans your face, facial recognition.
You buy all the stuff that you buy.
And when you walk out, it scans you and the basket and you come directly out of your bank account.
Who's signing up for that?
I don't even want to know.
But on an encouraging level, nine of those stores in London have closed.
And they are in the process of closing because people don't want it.
That's very encouraging.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So we're in a, we're in a bit of a weird phase to be honest, mate.
Because like from date, from one day to another, I go from being somewhat despondent to being massively encouraged.
You know, you see something like this is great.
And then you have a conversation and someone says, I think it's a good idea.
I don't see why.
You know, if you've, if you've not done anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide, you know, that old chestnut.
Yes.
And then when you try and explain to them, obviously you get that little fluoride stare back at you.
But I try and make the point to them that actually it's, it's not a case of if you've not done anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about.
Because well, one who decides whether you've done something wrong and also what is not doing something wrong today isn't necessarily not doing something wrong tomorrow.
You know, the world can change massively in an absolute heartbeat and you can go from being on the winning team in terms of, you know, social acceptance and whatever to being on the losing team.
Very, very quickly.
I'll be honest, you know, if you'd have said to me 20 years ago, women are going to have penises.
I'd have probably just looked at you with the same fluoride stare.
But things can change pretty quick.
And suddenly you can go from being a real nice stand up, you know, part of the community, a pillar of the community never does anything wrong to suddenly now refusing to call someone with testicles she and now suddenly you've gone from being that stand up
citizen to being a fascist and a bigot.
So, and then, you know, fascists and bigots don't, don't get great compliance scores.
Therefore no soul like Sirloin steak for you son.
And it seems so, so kind of, I say it seems far fetched.
It doesn't anymore.
It would have done wouldn't it?
Probably 10, 15 years ago.
But with all the madness of the COVID era, this is just sort of the next step really.
And it feels like COVID mark too.
I don't know if, if that's, you know, it feels like that.
Here.
And I must admit, you know, when I went to one of the, the bigger protests down in London, I was seeing the same faces.
But they were people I'd not seen since 2020.
And you would just sort of like strike, you know, striking a glance across the crowd at people and just sort of nodding like, you know, soldiers are back.
And it feels a bit like that.
But it's, it's, it's a very interesting time mate here, especially where you've got all this stuff.
You've got the assisted dying bill passing as well, which is basically going to, it's the same as the made bill obviously in Canada, which is, you know, state sponsored murder, basically.
That it's all coming in at the same time, which is of course not all coincidence.
So my, my, my one positive guys, because I'm aware that I'm rambling now, but my one positive is that, you know, when 10, 15 years ago, you were having conversations with people about, you know, in fact, they want to bring in a universal
basic income, which will be basically pittance, but you know, it will be reliant on your compliance.
And, you know, people will be in 15 minutes cities where you can't travel, you know, you're not allowed to drive.
It will be like the hunger games in terms of your districts, all these kinds of stuff you would say to people.
And people would be looking at you like, why are you not in a padded cell?
But the worst things get and have gotten over the last five, 10 years, the more of this stuff has come out into the open.
And so I kind of see it as a numbers game, really, that when this stuff was in the shadows and was only really being spoken about by essentially conspiracy theorists, one of a better term, then there wasn't much pushback against it because no one really accepted it was real.
And it's like, if you're in a prison, but you can't see the bars, you're not going to try and fight your way out of them, because why would you?
Whereas now, you know, the more this stuff's coming in and the more obvious it's becoming, the more people are starting to find their voice and their spine and that's encouraging.
Absolutely. And, you know, one of the interesting things is I actually just made a post earlier today really sort of talking about what I'm referring to is like the digitification of humanity, because, you know, I'll just go ahead and read it verbatim.
The more the world spirals into technocratic transhumanist psychopathy, the more simply exercising one's humanness is an act of rebellion, rejecting the robotification of human spaces, not allowing AI to replace artists and writers and performers.
The rejecting of digital IDs, CBDCs, biometrics, mechanical technology, and even what prompted me to make this post was I saw a report now, some supermarket somewhere I can't remember exactly where are now beginning to import cloned meat.
And in doing so in such a way that people won't even really know the difference between whether it's some crap that they grew in a lab or if it's, you know, you know, genuine food.
And I've talked about these subjects quite a lot over the past few years on my other podcast, particularly when it comes to like cloned meat, biometrics, transhumanism.
And it really is no to your point.
And as I said, like the more that we sort of spiral into this craziness that just going outside and connecting with nature and being a human is in and of itself an act of rebellion now as they're trying to shove this shit down our throats.
And to sort of expand upon that a little more, I guess, you know, your thoughts on, you know, just that in general, of like, you know, going beyond just not just protesting it, but like really exercising your humanness, you know, explaining to people like, you know.
Oh, living it is the thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, even spending cash in a shop is an act of rebellion now, you know.
I'm the same, mate. Nature is like, that's what I do. You know, I get out in nature and walk. That's, you know, I love that and connecting with that.
And yeah, okay, I need to be connected with technology in the sense that we're talking through a computer, that's how we can talk from other sides of the world and stuff.
And I get it, like, technology has a place. But technology should be, you know, essentially the slave of the individual, the individual shouldn't be the slave of the technology.
That's not how it works. Yeah, at all. Yes, it's a better word than slave, isn't it? But yeah, exactly. It should be.
And, you know, I'm starting to see people starting kind of turning away from it now.
You know, they're identifying the fact that actually, I don't want any part of this.
And then, you know, then there's others that would probably claim to be awake and have been outspoken on certain things, fighting back against the technocracy and stuff, which is great.
And then I see them asking Grock what the answer is, and you're like, mate, like, don't feed the beast, dude.
Like, this is, you know, part of it, this whole thing is part of it and normalizing it.
And so now you've got kids are not studying stuff, they're not looking into stuff for themselves.
They're asking Grock what the answer is or chat GPT or whatever what the answer is.
And it's like, well, yeah, but who's programming that?
So, yeah, you may as well be asking the teacher or the politician what the answer is.
You know, because you're going to get the state approved version.
Not to cut you off, but it's so relevant here because I was actually just having a conversation about this.
My best friend the other night, because I had been so adamant against like anything chat GPT related and then recently for some of the things I'm working on.
Essentially, you know, treading that line between using it as a tool versus, you know, not allowing it to be like so pervasive.
So like as I was explaining it to my buddy, I was like, instead of just be like, hey, chat GPT, what is this?
I'll essentially use it to be like, okay, so I know there's a particular article from say mintpressnews.com that I need to find.
But instead of just going typing in a couple of words into their search engine and then spending half an hour combing through 30 pages.
I can just be like, hey, find me an article talking about something such specifically from mintpressnews.com.
And essentially just streamline the process without giving up my personal autonomy of being able to figure out what the hell it is I'm looking for versus the thing just like giving the answer.
You know what I mean?
And so it's I think it's really important for people to understand like you have to tread that line.
Oh yeah, I get it.
There's a convenience to it for sure.
I think what gets me is when, you know, someone will make a statement on say, you know, if we're talking about GROC then so on X someone will make a statement like this happened.
And the there's just a stream of people saying GROC is this true.
And okay, so, so, you know, we know that the GROC, you know, goes through an ADL filter or whatever, you know, so it's, it's suddenly people have kind of outsourced their thinking.
So they've gone right.
I don't trust the government.
I don't trust the establishment.
I don't trust the legacy media.
They just lie to me.
But I won't think for myself or do my own research or look at things from different perspectives and talks to different people and whatever.
I'm just going to ask GROC.
And it's like, yes.
So GROC is now the mainstream media mate.
It's like people constantly outsource their thinking, which is a real issue.
I think it's something that I find quite frustrating because what you get thrown back at you, you know, when you say, you know, this is what's happening.
That's what's happening.
Trump is not the savior.
And people call you blackpilled and attack you and just, oh, you've got no solutions.
It's like, well, I've got a solution.
You're the solution yourself, mate.
You don't need, you know, politicians or GROC or whoever else to give you the answers in life.
And only you can find them.
But that's, you know, that sounds like hard work and people don't want to do that.
But they're going to be forced to in the end, mate.
And I think that's the point we're starting to get to now where, you know, if you think of it as an analogy, if I feel like I'm under attack, then I've got two choices.
I can, you know, I can start throwing punches and hoping for the best or I can leg it.
And most people choose to leg it and run and running is often, you know, basically covering your ears, covering your eyes and pretending it's not happening when it comes to the way the world is.
So I don't want to know, you know, I don't want to know.
And then in the end, you get to a point where you've got no choice to realize, but to realize what's going on.
And it's kind of the equivalent, I guess, of when you're running away from whatever's targeting you.
As long as you can run away, you'll keep running.
But once you get to a point, you know, where you hit the Grand Canyon will now what?
Well, you can't keep running because you're done.
So you have to turn around and fight.
And that's what people are being pushed more and more towards.
So the worse things get for people, the more people are struggling.
I mean, this country is insane.
Five out of six kids are in poverty in the United Kingdom at the moment.
And you're like, we're supposed to be a first world to dominant, you know, G8 superpower, whatever, or G7, whatever it's called now.
And you're like five out of six kids, are you having a laugh?
And so more and more people are actually, you know, that probably realized a while ago that something's not right,
but didn't really want to do anything about it because it was easier to pretend it wasn't,
have now hit the Grand Canyon and realized that they can't keep running.
And so I think it's a real, it's a real powerful time now.
And I know I'm talking about the United Kingdom, England, because it's me is where I live,
but I know this is happening in the US and everywhere else really, like we're all being squeezed, right?
Certainly.
Yeah, it's an everywhere thing.
But it's a real, you know, it's a horrible time for lots of people.
Like, I think with the exception of billionaires and, you know, psychopaths,
no one's having a really good time right now.
Like the middle class is not having a good time right now like they were before.
Like everyone's in the same boat really.
You know, there's different levels of struggling, but no one's got as much as they had before, you know.
And so it's a dangerous time for the establishment as well, because I don't know about you guys,
but if I was going to have a fight with someone in a boxing ring,
the one guy I wouldn't want to fight is the one that's got nothing to lose.
He's got nothing to protect and nothing to defend.
He's got nothing.
That guy's a wild animal.
And so, you know, what they're doing at the moment by crushing people so much.
I mean, this country is insane in terms of how much people are being squeezed with taxes and the prices of everything.
They're just creating more and more wild animals that are just going to snap and fly.
And it's, you know, that's a good thing, but obviously it's how it plays out.
Because if it plays out in the fact that people take to the streets and it becomes a civil war,
then it plays into their hands because that's what they want.
So it's very, we're a bit of a crossroads for sure.
I think in the UK at the moment, I love that people are fighting back and standing up,
but they need to be streetwise in the way that they're doing it.
And I think peaceful mass non-compliance as much as that got called me got me called a cuck the other day when I started saying that.
But you know, peaceful mass non-compliance because if you go because of the way I look at it is that what the establishment wants right now in the United Kingdom.
And you can apply that I guess everywhere is they want two groups of people.
They want a group of people that are sat at home, you know, watching bargain or homes under the hammer or whatever.
Just don't care, not bothered apathetic to their plight, whatever.
And they also want the other another group, which is the people that are on the streets throwing Molotov cocktails at coppers.
They want that too, because they can crack down on that and they can bring the army in on that and they can declare martial law on that.
What the problem for them is is the middle group, which is hopefully the overwhelming group, which will, which will just refuse to comply, but would do it in a peaceful way.
Because they've got no way to fight that.
Yeah, well said. Excellent points.
And I agree 100%.
It is moving fast as well.
As far as the AI kind of takeover, I think I've said this before on this podcast, but I don't think it's just our thinking that we're outsourcing as well.
I mean, we're outsourcing our creativity.
I know I've seen this becoming more and more prevalent and popular, but like even our emotional aptitude, I know that there's like these therapist AIs now.
I mean, AI could be your best buddy.
So it is a dangerous thought.
It is a dangerous president that's being set right now.
And, you know, I think Prince, the musician Prince out of all people said it best.
And this was back in 1999.
He said this quote, he said, don't be fooled by the Internet.
It's cool to get on the computer, but don't let the computer get on you.
It's cool to use the computer, but don't let the computer use you.
And I mean, how did he know in 1999, like where we are in 2025?
I have no idea, but it truly is a profound quote even years later.
Now, it is actually encouraging as you're mentioning there.
You know, it is hard to always be optimistic in this current setting, but it is encouraging that people in the UK are pushing back.
And I'm seeing that much more than anything that we've had in the US.
I think COVID was a big wake-up call for people.
I think a lot of people had to kind of face their reckoning as to their belief in the state and the authorities, the medical officials and all these types of people.
And really kind of come to terms with, you know, are these institutions that we've been led to believe that are, you know, bulletproof and invincible in many ways?
Are they actually getting this right?
And I think a lot of people just realized that that wasn't the case.
And obviously, you know, there has been a big shift in our field here with the alternative media.
There's been a big, you know, kind of shift as far as these new alternative media journalists that have kind of popped up mostly on Twitter, but they've become a presence, you know?
And so it also changed the whole media ecosystem.
But you mentioned Tony Blair there has been kind of the architect and been back to the digital ID here briefly.
I had no idea it went back that far to Tony Blair's presidency and that kind of blows my mind.
And you also mentioned that he opened the borders.
I mean, that aligns and tracks exactly with what we saw during the Biden administration and why, you know, this digital ID is basically an excuse, the problem reaction solution that you had mentioned for the immigration crisis, quote, crisis, right?
But once again, immigration is a political football.
It's going to be used to the state's interest.
And we know how that goes.
And unfortunately, you know, MAGA was a group of people who were very vocal against things like the digital ID, any type of digital tracking during the COVID years.
But then when, you know, Trump comes around and he calls it the real ID.
Well, everybody's on board.
Nobody's talking about it.
Nobody's, you know, pushing back at all.
So it is very interesting to see how these things kind of get tossed around in the political spin.
And unfortunately, you know, some of the people that we thought were on our side during the COVID years have turned out to, you know, be some of the biggest cheerleaders for the technocratic surveillance state that's coming up here.
I think a lot of them, I think used COVID to give them some credibility.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, most definitely, man.
I think it's hard not to think that that wasn't orchestrated to a large degree because all these people are marching lockstep with the Trump administration.
And they have been since the beginning.
Exactly.
And a lot of these people are the same people that called for the Epstein files and now, you know, are completely silent when Trump calls it a Democrat hoax.
So unfortunately, the political pandering and the tribalism has reached kind of a fever pitch here in the States.
Big time.
But I did kind of want to get back to the digital ID here just because there is one element of this that I kind of wanted to touch on and get your opinion on.
One of the things that I think is a solid non-political argument against them is the security angle, right?
Because, I mean, how much do you trust your government?
How much do you trust big tech and some of these technocratic corporations?
Because, you know, when this digital ID hits a database, it's basically subject to being hacked, leaked, sold, shared and weaponized against you.
And it's forever going to be a tool that works against you.
Exactly.
Especially as, you know, society continues to conform more to these biometric security implementations and the programmable money and all these other things that are going to depend on biometrics.
And, you know, you can't change your iris.
You can't change your face.
You can't swap your fingerprints.
So once they're in the public arena, like, good luck, like ever having any privacy or security again.
So you were kind of mentioning this before, like, as far as who's programming the AI, but like, do you worry about who will control the data?
Like, who will have access and like what legal safeguards, if any, will be kind of put in place to prevent mission creep into like policing or corporate and commercial profiling?
Well, there won't be any.
And this is another interesting part of it here in the UK.
So basically, when we voted to leave the European Union, which I voted to leave as well, you know, I don't vote in elections because they're all the same.
But that was a, you know, do you want to stay in the European Union or do you want to get out?
And it was a hard get out for me.
And then basically when we did that, nothing changed.
We still, because the establishment didn't want to leave.
So, you know, nothing really changed at all.
And so when this whole immigration thing got massively out of hand in the last three or four years, what is still in place in the UK?
I would say is the European Convention of Human Rights.
So we're still signed up to that despite not being in the European Union.
And so a lot of, and that was blocking people getting deported, you know, that were entering the country illegally and all this kind of stuff.
So there's been this huge clamber to get us out of that human rights legislation.
And lots of people, you know, for one of a better term, I guess, would say were on our side are very much cheering that on.
And so now the government is looking at doing that and is looking at, as we speak now, rewriting the legislation when it comes to immigration.
But I don't think it will stop at immigration because that particular human rights legislation, as much as I don't like the European Union far from it.
There are parts of that that are actually a bit of a stumbling block for digital ID in the way that they want to implement it.
And so it could cause them a problem going forward in terms of appeals and people, you know, relying on that legislation as a way of getting out of doing stuff that they want.
So the fact that at the same time that they're trying to push digital ID, they're also, you know, having given a different excuse trying to change that human rights legislation.
I don't think because I don't believe in coincidences. I don't think that's a coincidence.
I think that's that's coldly calculated to tell the population that we're doing it so we can deport criminals from foreign countries and then everyone cheers it on.
And then when they do it, oh, no, actually, it turns out we can do the digital ID now because we changed that.
Oops. So that that's something that's going on.
I think what's very interesting here as well in terms of digital ID, where you touched on then in terms of Trump and how people were against stuff during covid and now suddenly that it's okay because it's my team doing it.
I think we're being set up for that here as well.
I'm kind of torn between two scenarios. One being what I mentioned earlier, which is that the government, the labor government will use an emergency legislation, whether it be war with Russia, which they're really, really pushing for at the minute,
or whether it's, you know, a cyber attack that does whatever or terrorist attack in multiple locations or whatever, you know, something to really ramp up the fear, you know, blowing up a football stadium full of fans or whatever.
You know, something severe because, you know, there's no empathy in these people, so they'll stop at nothing.
There's that. I'm half on that. And then I'm half on a very similar situation to what you had with Trump because by 2016, as I saw it from someone, you know, on the outside, it certainly looked to me like Americans or at least a decent number of Americans had started to wake up to the one party state
and actually realize that, you know, from George W. Bush to Barack Obama, nothing freaking changes, not really.
And so they weren't really wanting to carry on with the Republican Democrat pantomime.
Then suddenly this guy, Donald Trump, comes along who he's different. He's an outsider. He's going to drain the swamp. He's going to arrest Hillary.
And everyone's like, well, this is different now. This isn't no, this isn't a one party state anymore. This guy is different.
And obviously we all know that he's not. Well, here in the UK, you've got Labour and the Conservatives that have gone back and forth since I think the 1920s.
They basically just gone back and forth between the two parties. Nothing changes. It just gets worse.
And then suddenly reform turn up, which are mainly made up of failed Tory MPs to be fair, but they've suddenly come along and they're touted as the outsider.
So I wonder whether Labour will fall on their sword, whether something will happen that will, you know, cause if there was a general election today, reform would walk it, like they'd walk it.
So I think that's another option that reform get in and then they do the old, oh no, it's much worse than we thought.
Cause that's what they always do, isn't it? Every government when it comes in goes, oh no, you know, the national debt's worse than we thought or whatever.
We don't want digital ID. You know we don't want digital ID because we were saying we didn't want it and you trust us, we're different.
But actually we are going to have to bring in some kind of digital ID because of X, Y and Z.
But trust us to do it because look, you know, you know, we're on your side.
And I wonder how many of those people will go, well, yeah, I was against digital ID when Keir Starmer and Labour and Tony Blair were going to be doing it.
But this is reform. They're like us. They opposed it.
And obviously the end result is exactly the same. So I wonder if that's something that will happen here.
Just quickly on Blair though, I mean, people know this, but when Tony Blair came to power, cause basically he's Larry Ellison's man.
Like he's Larry Ellison's lapdog and Keir Starmer's Tony Blair's lapdog. It's like Russian dolls.
But when Tony Blair became an MP, he actually got elected in the same election as Jeremy Corbyn actually.
They both became MPs at the same time.
And Tony Blair was just a Labour backbench, you know, not an important, he wasn't a member of the cabinet or anything like that.
He wasn't making decisions. He was literally just this, this young in politician terms, young backbench MP, nothing special.
Dodgy Barnett and dodgy knitted jumpers, nothing special.
And at the time Labour, they were in opposition and they had a leader called John Smith, which, you know, when I talked to people that knew John Smith,
socialist, whether you're into socialism or not, but it was basically a nice bloke.
And people liked him and, you know, he was, he was whatever you think of socialism and Labour, he was, that's what he was.
And then Tony Blair says to his wife, Sherry, that he's been told he's going to be the next Prime Minister.
Now, bearing in mind, he's a, he's a backbencher, so he's not even in the cabinet and he's not the head of the Labour Party even.
They've got a leader, John Smith.
Within no time, John Smith collapses from nowhere with a heart attack and he's dead.
And so Tony Blair then is suddenly taken from backbench, nothing new kid on the block MP to leader of the Labour Party,
which shocked a lot of people at the time because where's this guy come from?
Suddenly he's the, he's the head of the Labour Party.
And then what happened, which was very, very relevant was Rupert Murdoch's press.
So Rupert Murdoch's basically, obviously, you know, own sky and the sun and, you know, Fox News and his, like, own, you know, everything.
But basically he was known as the kingmaker and was generally, actually not even generally, was a conservative supporter.
And so the conservatives had been in power for a long, well, basically for my entire lifetime up to this point.
It had been, obviously you'd had Margaret Thatcher and then you'd had John Major.
And so it was, it was very much conservative press, right wing media, conservative party in power.
Then from nowhere, when Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party, again, like I say, from nowhere,
suddenly Rupert Murdoch turned.
And there was a whole big front page spread on the sun, which was at the time the most red newspaper in Britain,
of how they were turning and they were backing Labour and they were backing Tony Blair,
which was very surprising but clearly coordinated.
He then comes to power and, you know, not only does he try and implement ID
and not only does he open the borders, but he also, along with George W. Bush,
basically opens the gates of hell on the Middle East,
which then led to a enormous influx of immigration through the borders that he'd left open.
So when it comes to Tony Blair, this guy is, he's cult to his DNA.
Like I look at a lot of politicians and I think like some of them are just, you know, a bit crazy.
Some of them are narcissists and they quite like the power.
In fact, I'd say they're all narcissists.
Some of them are there for the money, you know, in the lifestyle and the book deal.
And then there's others that will work for Satan for free.
And Tony Blair is 100% one of them.
He works for the devil for fun.
He doesn't even put through expenses. He doesn't need them. He's loving it.
So the fact that he's all over this digital ID,
he's all over the rebuilding of Gaza, which again is no coincidence.
He's someone to watch with, you know, telescope eyes for sure.
Man, him and George Bush 20 years ago were like Satan incarnate, dude.
The blood of millions of people are on their hands from the wars that they helped launch and push off.
It was, yeah, and they're celebrated, man.
Look at Cheney's funeral today. I mean, they're all there.
Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Yeah, I said on, on Gareth's Twitter today,
I saw a video of the funeral and now all these people are in the front row.
And they're like praising this man who was a mass murdering psychopath who, you know,
like, like we talked about on the podcast last week that, you know,
used depleted uranium in Iraq and where people are still hundreds of thousands of people have been born
with these horrifying disabilities where their faces are, you know, like split in half.
I mean, it's just, it's disgusting and so sad and we celebrate these people.
I mean, it's, it's because, I mean, we can look at it like if you talk bad about them,
you know, you can go to jail, right?
Now in the UK, if you, if you post something offensive or, or something that might be,
you know, make somebody have anxiety, then they could put you in jail.
I was listening to Rogan the other day and he mentioned something like on their 12,000 people
in a single year were arrested in the UK for social media posts.
And I was like, that's, that's bullshit.
There's no way dude.
So I like went and did some research and sure enough, 12,000 people basically a year on average,
that's 30 a day are arrested for social media posts that aren't calling for violence
or, or, or calling, you know, like that are illegal in any way.
Basically, it's, it's things like what that comedian Graham, Graham Linehan,
he basically said that like men shouldn't go in women's bathrooms and women,
if you find them in the bathroom, like punch them in the balls or something like that.
And he was arrested at the airport, like by like a SWAT team.
Essentially, you know, it's like, it's like soft blasphemy laws.
And it's, we're living in a real world sequel to Orwell's 1984 where the
state's basically weaponizing subjective feelings like anxiety or discomfort or
offense or you insert something that makes my emotions, you know,
we want to use a state power against you.
And then the police are like forced into these, these impossible situations.
I guess probably the good cops are, but the bad cops are loving it.
You know, they love probably going to these people's houses and
and arresting people for social media posts.
And even though like it's a very small number of people that are actually
convicted is what I read when I did this, it's like 2.5%.
But that's, that's meaningless when you see that their mug shots are
posted everywhere.
They have the physical arrest.
They, many of them lose their jobs, you know, it's punishment.
It's a, it's, regardless of the, the end result of that, the chilling effect
that this has is astronomical and it, and it discourages people from
speaking out.
And that's why I like, when you said that there's a big resistance over
there, it was, you know, that I found that pretty heartening.
And I like that, you know, especially considering with the digital ID
that we've been talking about for the last hour.
Like if this gets tied to, if the digital ID gets tied to these, to
these offense laws and everything else that people are getting arrested
for for social media posts, you know, they could, these digital scores
that we're talking about, you know, like, like you said, you, you
could make a post on social media that, hey, I think that they're
using immigration to, you know, to, to take the negative effects
from letting in a whole bunch of people that don't have this
culture and try to use that against the population.
And then you go to, you don't necessarily go to jail, but you
just can't buy food for your family that night.
Well, that, well, that's it.
That's it.
And once everything's digital, you know, it's not like, you know,
your mate can lend you 20 quid because, because you can't, doesn't
work like that.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you can't call your friend to eat.
Yeah.
And then they'll be like, oh, you already bought groceries
for this week.
So you can't buy anymore because, you know, we know you're
trying to buy them for somebody else.
Right.
It's not just financial control there.
Like after here, it's like psychological control.
And use that word again, chilling.
This is chilling to even think about that that is what's coming,
but that's exactly what's coming unless people resist it.
And I don't know the depth of the resistance that you mentioned
earlier, but like, you know, I hope it's good because we
have the two-party paradigm here just like you guys
have.
And there is absolutely zero that these two sides agree upon
to be able to come together and resist any type of tyranny.
You know, the mark, the, the real idea was like the
mark of the beast of the conservatives 15 years ago
down here.
It did.
It got killed shot down before it was even started
because conservatives rightly so think it's a horrible, you
know, way to track people.
And they thought it's like basically that's the whatever
Satan coming to earth or something like this.
Right.
And now they're embracing it because they're using this
immigration against the people and coming after them.
So I guess my question to you, you know, given that both the
political parties in both of our countries and every other
country across the West, you know, they're both complicit
and building this like digital ID muzzle.
And so like, what is the, what, if you really do have
the people coming together and resisting like that in the
UK, like what, what is the, what are they using
right now to, to bypass this, this two-party
scythe that has most people here, like under total control?
Well, I think just quickly when I came to the U.S.
last December, my, I came to watch the Rangers.
I used to go to New York to watch the Rangers fairly
regularly.
And then New York to me just, it just got worse and
worse.
And now if I watch the Rangers, I go different places.
So we, me and my brother went to Nashville and
St. Louis to watch the Rangers got beat twice,
obviously.
But I, I, my etser had run out.
So I needed to get another one.
And I was, so I applied for an etser and the
American government now asked for your social
media.
Wait, the American government does now?
Yeah.
So I had to give them my social media to be allowed
in the U.S.
And I got to say, once I gave them my social
media, I didn't think I was coming.
Do you know what I mean?
But, but yeah, they asked, they asked for that
now.
The Americans asked for that now, which,
which I found.
Yeah, that's insane.
But yeah, but in terms of, in terms of
how people are standing up, you know, this is
my concern with the whole reform thing.
Like I mentioned, being touted as an outsider,
because there's a big movement, there's been a
big movement in the United Kingdom to have
none of the above put on every single
ballot.
That's been going on for a long time, for
a couple of decades at least, and it's
got some real traction.
And so people have basically stopped
voting.
People are done with it.
And so when Keir Starmer came to
power as the prime minister in 2024, he
came to power with it, with a large
mandate in terms of the number of MPs,
like a massive mandate in terms of the
number of MPs.
But in terms of the number of votes, it
was shocking.
So I think it was something like 46%
of eligible people voted.
So the majority of people didn't even
turn up.
And the percentage of those that
voted for the Labour Party was, was
again, low.
And for context, when Jeremy Corbyn
was leader of the Labour Party, they
had such a horrendous turn out of
votes, such a horrendous number of
votes in the general election.
And they took such a pasting that he
was forced to resign immediately.
And he got more votes, Labour got
more votes in that election than
Keir Starmer got when he became
prime minister.
Wow, what do you truly get through?
Like people just fed up with the system
and refusing to participate?
Yeah, that's exactly it.
People are done with it.
People are saying, look, I understand
that this is a grand chess board and
that neither of these people are
working for me.
They're working for the, for the
puppet masters above them.
And so why the frickin' hell
should I go out and put an X in a
box for a puppet?
I'd rather just go to the pub.
And so people, people didn't bother.
And so they're massively disillusioned
with, with politics.
You know, the Labour Party are
probably the most unpopular
government, certainly of my lifetime
they're the most unpopular, openly
unpopular government.
People can't stand them.
Even people that voted for them hate them.
You've got the Conservative Party,
which is the other wing of the same
bird, which is basically
lost in the wilderness.
No one's voting for them.
Because, you know,
everything they're doing and
everything they're trying to use to
gain popularity is backfiring
because they're talking, you know, about
freedom and stuff and the
authoritarian regime of Labour when
it was the Conservative Party that
locked down everyone else, everyone
through Covid and tried to bring in
mask, well, did bring in mask mandates,
tried to bring in jab mandates and
sack NHS staff.
People remember shit like that.
So, so they're not supported.
They've also come out massively now
saying we want an inquiry into the
grooming gangs.
Why the government not bringing an
inquiry into the grooming gangs and
you're going, mate, you were in power
for 14 years and you didn't do
anything.
And so they're not, you know,
so everything they're trying to do to
win points with people is backfiring
massively.
So suddenly the two legacy parties,
the two main parties are
finished.
And then the other parties
that would normally be there or
thereabouts, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens,
they're still obviously
pushing their huge climate change
scam and people
have seen through that now.
So whilst they may have one or
two policies that people would support,
they can't get on board with the climate change.
There's a net zero nonsense.
So suddenly you've got those
parties with no one
interested in voting from
which is where my concern is that then
you've got reform coming in
telling everyone what they want to hear
which is the most dangerous thing
because if you tell people what they want to hear
then, you know, they'll be more inclined
to support you because, you know, you make them
happy, right?
And I keep trying to say to people
that, you know, Nigel Farage, he's the hero,
he's the outsider.
He's the leader of reform.
He's going to be the next Prime Minister.
And like I said, if there was a vote today, he would be.
But you're like, this was a guy
that wanted Tony Blair to be
vaccine czar during COVID.
He went on national television to say
we needed to bring Tony Blair back into politics
to run the vaccine rollout.
And then you've got Richard Tai,
who's the deputy leader of reform
who was on national TV saying that NHS
workers, healthcare workers
couldn't possibly still be healthcare
workers if they refused to take the jab.
These are now the
new face of freedom
and anti-establishmentism.
It's like, no, mate,
you know, I'm getting
slightly older but I'm not quite senile
enough yet to forget four years ago.
So, you know,
we're in a position now where
it's a very interesting time where people
have turned their back on politics
which I support
but then it leaves that vacuum, doesn't it?
So then you say, right,
well, what do they fill that vacuum with?
Who
comes in the steps into that
area to try and offer solutions?
Because
whilst there's lots of us trying to offer solutions
there's also going to be people that are far
better funded and far better elevated
by the media and algorithmically
on social media that are going
to try and step into that void as well
which will try and basically
hoodwink people back into it again.
Well, I think that's where your likes of Tommy Robinson
and stuff are being, you know,
placed into that position.
Yeah, exactly. Nigel Farage
and Trump are like the same animal
man. I mean,
the Farage during
when the Ukraine war broke out, I mean,
I was agreeing with him wholeheartedly what he was saying
with the history of Ukraine and Russia, you know,
and Trump basically
just followed him on that same
playbook and used that to get elected.
We're going to end this war in Ukraine
but he's
what filled the vacuum.
Trump filled the vacuum and look what
has gotten us. We have
the record levels of divide.
We have people like
Trump calling for hanging
congressmen
for telling the military to disobey
unlawful orders which is written into
the military uniform code of military
justice. So it's
crazy, man. I really hope that doesn't happen over there.
I hope it continues to,
you know, resistance keeps growing and
the critical thought keeps up because that's the
only way out of this mess in my opinion,
man. Absolutely.
I think Tony Blair, I think
Donald Trump
being the character that he is
was perfect to fill that
vacuum because I'm yet to
since 2016
meet anyone that when you
say Donald Trump, they go, yeah, he's
alright. You either
love that guy or you hate that guy.
So he's perfect
for division and Nigel Frage
is the same here. You know, you either
love Nigel Frage or you despise
him and he's a fascist. You know,
it's perfect characters
for the polarity.
And I would argue that's why they're
there. You know, they've been
groomed almost for that rope.
Well, remember guys, Kamala would be a lot worse, right?
Right.
And you know, it's interesting that you bring up
Tommy Robinson because I had
I wanted to sort of slide
that in there since we've been talking about,
you know, essentially, you know, the
the fall of the legacy
parties created this vacuum for like
controlled opposition. And
I like to try to pay attention to international
politics, particularly, you know,
you know, what's going over there, you know, at the very least
in the UK because of the whole Angelo
American Western Empire.
And I have been seeing, I would love
to get your thoughts on this, like
certain figures of the likes of
Tommy Robinson and especially Russell
Brand recently since he rebranded
pun intended to being this
very, you know, hardcore
MAGA, you know, fella,
you know, coincidentally
enough right after all those very serious
sexual assault allegations that
magically went away once he sold out again.
You know, so I'd love to get your take on
like seeing these guys and
folks like them being
propped up into this very obvious
controlled opposition slot to try
to steer the public narrative.
Well, they're perfect for division.
Tommy Robinson is perfect for division
in this country because everything's
the everything's the Muslims fault.
So you basically had growing
movement, a huge growing movement
of British people that are
done with the mass
immigration and the way that the country
has changed, you know, I'm
I'm all about love.
But the cities of the UK are
are horrible, horrible places now.
And the towns
are going the same way. You know, the last
bastion of Britishness is
the villages. I mean, I live in the countryside
intentionally.
And so, you know, we've got
to a position where, you know, I
know someone who was working in a school
with basically
none of the students are of
English descent, literally
none of them in an entire
school. And they would have to
stagger drop offs and pickups
based on nation
because the parents were fighting
in the car park like that's
not what you want to be importing
into your country. That's Matt, you know, I
don't think that's a far right position
to take. But I don't think that we
should be bringing that into England. It's not making
the country a better place. So you've got a
large group of people that are, you know, of
that opinion that actually come on guys
like enough's enough.
And and so Tommy is sort of
stepped into the role of basically
guiding all of those people into
believing it's the Muslims fault
as if everyone is the same.
Right, you know, I find
that anyone out there that blames
one group, whether it's the Muslims or
the Jews or whatever
I'm instantly red flags
suspicious because it's not, you know,
yes, okay, it's Netanyahu's government.
It's not the guy that runs the deli around
the corner. So let's not
pretend everyone's the same.
Like every single demographic has
nice guys, okay guys
and dickheads. And you could
apply that to the gay community, the black
community, whatever, like, you know,
what's wrong with judging
people on their individual character. That's
what I thought we were about. But
so he's great at that. And so
suddenly this kind of whole thing
has been focused massively on
Islam now.
And it's growing, unfortunately, that
whole kind of rhetoric, which is very divisive
and it's
not very helpful at all. He's obviously
out in Israel licking the wall on a regular
basis, you know, so obviously
he's doing the bidding for them
because they love that, which is why
recent emails that were released of Jeffrey Epstein
where he's talking very, very happily
about Tommy Robinson saying to Dave
Bannon, Steve Bannon sort of saying to Steve Bannon
like that it's amazing you got to talk
Tommy Robinson. Of course, a Mossad
agent is going to be a fan of Tommy
Robinson because they've got the same goal, which is the
vilification of Muslims.
For the record, I don't support any religion
but, you know, I also don't
hate individuals
and people because I, you know,
I think we're one human family. But
what I do find interesting
on the subject again to go, I guess, full circle
with digital ID
is Tommy Robinson who's got a massive
following, you know, he had, he said
three million people he got on the streets of London
it wasn't three million people or anywhere
near, but it was a lot.
He's done
one tweet on the day that digital
ID was announced saying he doesn't want it
apart from that he's never mentioned it again
he's never called
for his followers to support
any of the protests against digital ID
when we had a massive protest
against digital ID in London he flew out
to Israel all expenses paid
to go and lick the wall and make propaganda videos
rather than this and then
rather than oppose digital ID
even though he could have made a big difference
in terms of the number of people that followed him, you know
if he put a tweet out saying the date and the time
he would have brought hundreds of thousands probably
he's got that sway at the moment
and then to make it even more interesting
we've got a protest in London on the 13th
of December which we're trying to make
as huge as possible Fiona Rose Diamond
who's fantastic
organizer of protests was huge in the Covid
era in terms of that
has been trying to put together this
massive protest for December 13
she got a phone call from the Metropolitan Police
yesterday
saying that they'd been approached by Tommy Robinson
who'd asked them
to basically ask
her if she could move
the digital ID protest
because he was having a Christian
protest putting Christ back in Christmas
protest in the centre of London
so
we're at a position where not only are you not
speaking out against digital ID
or you know
basically trying to get your followers to support
protests against digital ID and stand up
and fight back against them
but you're actively using the Metropolitan Police
as an errand boy
and a messenger boy
you're actively trying
to undermine
digital ID protest in London
and you know call me a conspiracy theorist
but I'm starting to ask questions now
you're making too much sense Garrett
I think that's probably why you and your father
have been censored so much over the years man
so I think the moral
of the story basically is you know
don't put your faith into
Tommy Robinson or
Donald Trump or Tony Blair
Russell Brand don't put your faith into people
or politics but your faith into principles
right? 100%
and in the US right now there's this
kind of conversation that's happening on the right
there's a fracture
within MAGA and people are
you know are we make America great
again are we going with the Nick Fuentes camp
are we America first and like
my response to that is like no
but we're neither of those things we need to
put liberty first like we put
the ideas first we put the principles first
we don't put these people up on a pedestal because
they're always going to betray
us one way or another right or they're not
going to hold true to their word or the campaign promises
I mean I don't know how many times we have to
go through this process
before the people start to get it
and we could go all the way back to
Bush and Obama and all these people
I mean they all had their own campaign
promises I sounded grand they sounded
really promising they sounded like
the future of America that we want but
you know again time after time
we've just been deceived we've been
fooled and you know it
kind of blows my mind that it's still
so effective the two-party system
the uniparty is still so effective and
really moving the ball forward
for the globalists and
the state so
we are getting a little low on time here though in fact
we've got a few minutes over luckily Matt
could stay a little bit longer today but
at the end of our podcast we always try
to serve up a white pill question
and leave on a positive note right
we could get into some
you know some dark and I don't know heavy
topics and conversations during this podcast
so we try to always end on
a positive optimistic
uplifting note so Matt's going to do that
but I had one that I wanted to sneak in
before and
God man I almost feel a little embarrassed asking this
question you have to forgive me because I'm sure it's a little
annoying but it does seem relevant
and it's the same question I asked Sean Stone when
we interviewed him back in 2022 because
his father is of course the great
filmmaker Oliver Stone but I was
wondering man if you could just tell us
it doesn't have to be long briefly you know
like what it was like growing up with your father being David Ike
I think a lot of people in our circles
know him as like this you know high
profile conspiracy theorist
but he was also professional soccer player
and after he retired from sports he was like
a what like a BBC sports presenter
and commentator so yeah how did that
experience shape who you are today
my basic training mate
I love it
he'd retired
through injury before I was born so I never
got to see the football side
but I grew up
obviously with a you know TV presenter dad
he was very popular and you know
see days before camera phones and stuff like
that but whenever you went out you know people would
come up and ask to for an autograph
or to shake his hand or whatever
and then suddenly what felt like
immediately people were shouting abuse
and laughing and stuff in the street and
you know we had the media camped
outside the house and they were following
me to school with my friends and
you know some of my mum was having to give me a ride
to school instead and then they
the media went and
offered money to
parents of friends of mine always always
poor parents
to basically say bad stuff about
our family all of them refused
which is incredible because a lot of them could have done
with the money so that
really gave me a real eye
opener in terms of
what the media will do and also how
vicious and nasty people can be you know
because I was only a young kid
and I had kids coming up to me and saying stuff
at school that there's no way it'd come from them
because you know they've not been sat reading
the newspaper so it's come from the parents
which confuses me
massively because I think you know I've got
a four year old and a seven year old
the idea that there's a kid
at my daughter's school whose parents have got
some issues going on in the media and I
you know would fill
my kids head full of
spiteful stuff to say to that child that
blows my mind but there you go
and so for a long time I kind of was a bit
bitter about it to be honest
not towards my father we always got on great
but in terms of you know bitter about that
stuff but
but it knocked
the caring what people think
out of me and so
you know when you have conversations with people
and they'll go I don't care what people think and you look at them and you go
yeah you do
yeah you do when it
comes down to it yeah you do
but for me you know I care what my kids
thinking I care what my wife thinks but
if I believe something to be true I'm
gonna say it and if you
want to give me some shit for that then that's fine
because I had a whole childhood full of that stuff
so that doesn't bother me
and so I remember during
the COVID sort of the start of it
I was like obviously just shouting from the rooftops
from the beginning and I was getting messages from people
I used to work with and people used to play football with
and ice hockey with and whatever they were like mate
I agree with you but
I can't say that like I'll lose my job or
you know my mother-in-law left me bollocks off
or you know whatever reason it was
and I had other people saying you know
how do you
speak out like that man
and I'm like it was then
when it dawned on me and I said that
term that I said at the start of this was like
that was my basic training and now it all makes sense
because it didn't make sense to me before
I was like what you know like that was horrible
stuff you know that was vicious me dad was
getting so much abuse and stuff like that
and we were as kids and this is horrible
like what the hell was that about
and now I'm 43 and I'm sat here going yes mate
that's what that was about
it knocked the caring about
what people thought out of me
definitely knocked out my dad
and of course my brother as well
and so it kind of that childhood
gave us the ability to stand on a stage
or a protest or whatever
and say what we believe to be true
and if it gets me bundled into
a police car or chucked into
a rucksack and chucked in a reservoir
then so be it
you know what I mean it is what it is
and so yeah that's that's my
growing up with him as a father
for sure
well it worked man everything that you guys did
that you guys did as a family
it seems to be working very well man
so before we let you go
I just you know I want to thank you for what you're doing
for coming on and what you're doing man
with Geradike tonight and you know all the things
you're doing on the iconic network
it's very desperately needed
and you know your consistency
and adherence to principles
are rare
and today
not on our podcast right we have
we always have like very consistently
consistent principled people on our podcast
but it's always
love to meet new people who stick to their
principles and it was great to meet you today man
and your father
he was very instrumental in waking me up
man and so I
after listening to this conversation with you for the last hour and a half
I know he must be really proud
to see you carrying the torch man because it's shining bright
I appreciate that mate thank you
oh for sure man so
that principled stance you know that's like
that's at the heart of this white pill that you kind of
hinted at earlier
when you said that people would come up to you and they're like
you know no politician's going to save you
no one's going to do that and like you would tell them
that you're the answer right like no politician
is going to save you we've you know
we spent the last hour and a half
dissecting this dark side of the world
with digital ID and the political theater
and all that and these
piper propagandists who come to promise
you know change and fool the masses
it's like you said earlier
it is easy to get blackpilled
or get you know put in that camp
to think that you're blackpilled you know by the
just by looking at the sheer scale
of the system you know but
the your message and our messages are
pretty similar in saying that you know
power rests with the individual and
so if keeping
faith like Jason said not faith in politicians
or systems that are built
on exploiting people but
keeping faith in absolute principles
and personal action
is is that let's say that's the way
forward for a better society
what does that look like on a practical level
like so how would you tell
the normies if you will like the
people are still caught up in this two-party
media cycle that are infighting over irrelevant
garbage
what tangible steps can they take today
to move from being
a victim of the control
grid to being a sovereign
force for change
I think the first the first
move that I think people need to make
is to be their authentic self
and that sounds like a really
like like an obvious thing to say
but I don't think most people are
I think most people
think
how is this going to affect me before they say
something how is this going to look
to other people
before they do anything
and they end up basically being an ever
just a slightly diluted
version of what they should be
and if everyone does that
then you kind of end up with a mangled
mush of nothing
now I'm not a religious man like
at all never have been but I do believe
that each of us is
an incredibly powerful being
and that we're here for a reason
and so I think that by
not being our authentic selves
and by editing ourselves
and diluting ourselves
that we're almost
well we're doing the world a disservice
for one and we're doing
ourselves a disservice and you know this is what
I say to my kids like
the same thing is
you know whatever you believe
you know you can believe that we're worm food
or that we're reincarnated
on the wheel of samsara like countless
times or whatever but even if
you are you're only
you once right so
you're only in this
body and in this realm
and in this you know
I'm only gareth once right because whatever
happens afterwards then you know I do whatever
and so I sort of owe it
to myself to be completely authentic
and honest and open and
the best version of myself as I can be
now I think you know as
obvious as that sounds like I say I don't think
most people do that I think
people kind of try a bit to be
themselves but tend to edit certain
parts to be more palatable
to the rest which everyone else
is doing at the same time
and so in the end you
end up with with no
authenticity no honesty
no truth not really
you know even if you're taking a photo
on Instagram you're taking 45
takes and 20 filters
even at that base level of social
media posting you know no one's being authentic
and so
I think if you want a truthful
world and authentic sincere
honest
world with
mutual respect which is how we get to
any form of utopia I think
you just have to have respect
if I respect you I'm not going to shit on you
and if you respect me you're not going to shit on me
we can disagree about a bunch of stuff
but if we have enough respect for each other
to not shit on each other then people will not
get shit on
I probably could have worded that slightly
more highbrow than that but you get my point
right
and so
that would be I think
a real place to start
who am I
and that's what I've been saying to people about
digital idea about having these conversations
with yourself and saying
how far am I willing to go to resist this
because if my answer is well
I'll resist it until they do
such and such well you might as well do it now then mate
because they're going to do such and such
so
you need to have that conversation with yourself
and how far you're going to go
and really
get deep into it
and so I think that's what people can do
to make things better for themselves
is to actually
learn who they are like who are you
what is your reason for being
what is your purpose here
what do you want from life
what are you offering
what is the real you
what is it about you
that is completely unique
because you are unique
like you are
and so once you can identify that
and really step into who that person is
you'll present yourself to the world
in a different way
and so by bettering yourself
you inspire those around you
in your immediate family and your friendship group
and your work circles
suddenly people look at you and go
I like what that dude is doing
and so then people
are inspired to do the same
and suddenly in no time
your whole friendship group is
starting to better themselves right
and that will spread out
through the population quicker
than I think people realize
so that would be one place to start
because again that goes back
to what we've been talking about
that politicians aren't going to save you
you're going to save you
so what version of you is the version that's going to save you
the only version that's going to save you
is the authentic one
hell yeah man
isn't it crazy how
some of the most profound
solutions
in this world are
cliches like that
I wonder if it's deliberate man
I'm not
discounting at all I think that the cliched term
we often say
be the change you want to see in this world
and it sounds so cliche but it's
the solution
that's what we have to do
that's the way through this
100%
the three chord songs are the best songs
ever written
but it's true isn't it
and I think you're right
we say that in terms of
it's a cliche and it's like yeah because it's true
exactly it's a known truth
and I think people dismiss it
because of that but they need to pay more attention
and stop being passive reverberators
of what the cult is saying
and think outside of that cult even if you might get
turned into a black sheep because you don't
want to be in that damn cult anyway because they're running off
of a damn cliff amen
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