WEBVTT 00:00.020 --> 00:02.460 Mark Passio, thank you so much for joining, 00:02.740 --> 00:04.240 for Meet the Expert this week. 00:04.320 --> 00:06.520 We're gonna be talking about natural law. 00:06.860 --> 00:10.920 And it was your work that I came in contact with, 00:11.040 --> 00:12.600 I think like 10 years ago, 00:12.920 --> 00:16.640 when you gave your eight hour seminar on natural law, 00:16.760 --> 00:20.980 that it just locked in and gave me a moral framework 00:20.980 --> 00:24.460 for me to use that was easy to understand, 00:24.940 --> 00:26.860 easy to course correct 00:26.860 --> 00:29.900 and to like gain the experience 00:29.900 --> 00:33.580 of putting it into action into my life to then fine tune it. 00:33.900 --> 00:38.500 And so it's been able to guide me for the last 10 years 00:38.500 --> 00:41.400 and I'm a much better person because of it. 00:41.720 --> 00:43.880 Thank you so much for joining me today 00:43.880 --> 00:46.120 and I'm excited for this discussion. 00:46.700 --> 00:49.980 Joshua, thank you so much for the opportunity 00:50.380 --> 00:51.300 and inviting me. 00:51.780 --> 00:55.780 And I really appreciate those kind words, thank you. 00:56.860 --> 00:59.920 Well, let's get into it because Mark, 01:00.160 --> 01:03.360 if you had 30 seconds to just define natural law 01:03.360 --> 01:06.000 for somebody brand new, how would you go about it? 01:07.160 --> 01:09.420 I would give the working definition 01:09.420 --> 01:12.340 that I generally gave in my natural law seminar 01:12.340 --> 01:17.320 that natural law is a set of universal non-manmade, 01:17.800 --> 01:20.040 binding and immutable conditions 01:20.600 --> 01:25.720 that govern the consequences of the behavior of beings 01:25.720 --> 01:29.140 that possess the capacity to understand the difference 01:29.140 --> 01:31.960 between right and wrong or in other words, 01:32.060 --> 01:35.420 non-harmful behavior versus harmful behavior. 01:35.960 --> 01:38.880 That's my basic working definition of natural law. 01:39.080 --> 01:40.860 It has nothing to do with man's law. 01:40.980 --> 01:42.900 It has nothing to do with Darwinism 01:42.900 --> 01:46.000 or any concept associated with Darwinism. 01:46.360 --> 01:48.900 It is not a religion, it is not a belief system. 01:49.300 --> 01:51.660 It is a behavioral science 01:52.060 --> 01:55.480 that explains how human beings 01:55.480 --> 01:59.040 or any given civilization for that matter 02:00.020 --> 02:03.040 garners the results of the behavior 02:03.040 --> 02:06.280 that they collectively put out into the universe. 02:07.600 --> 02:10.740 So how is this different than just a belief 02:10.740 --> 02:12.320 that like, oh, I shouldn't do that 02:12.320 --> 02:13.760 because I believe that's wrong? 02:15.560 --> 02:19.560 There is the objective component to behaviors 02:19.560 --> 02:23.020 because behaviors exist in the natural 3D world 02:23.020 --> 02:25.840 and therefore their characteristics 02:25.840 --> 02:28.640 are not just subjective. 02:28.880 --> 02:31.860 They have actual objective results in nature. 02:32.320 --> 02:34.820 That's how I would define it from a belief system. 02:35.100 --> 02:37.960 Beliefs just say it's because we were told this 02:37.960 --> 02:39.380 or because we said so. 02:39.740 --> 02:43.360 And natural law, we are actually defining 02:43.360 --> 02:45.540 what constitutes harmful behavior 02:45.540 --> 02:48.660 and why it is harmful. 02:48.660 --> 02:51.820 It's demonstrable. It's observable. 02:52.120 --> 02:52.780 It's objective. 02:53.060 --> 02:55.440 It is not subject to someone's interpretation 02:55.440 --> 02:59.340 because it actually diminishes from a being 02:59.340 --> 03:02.020 or the property of another being. 03:02.340 --> 03:05.140 And that's what delineates it from a belief system. 03:05.260 --> 03:07.320 It has objective effects in nature. 03:07.840 --> 03:11.660 And we'll break that up more here in a second. 03:11.820 --> 03:14.920 But if I go and just Google natural law right now 03:14.920 --> 03:18.380 I end up coming across all this confusing stuff from. 03:18.940 --> 03:24.020 Damia from lawyers and like it gets really wish washy 03:24.020 --> 03:25.980 when I start to like trying to understand it 03:25.980 --> 03:26.760 from their perspective. 03:26.760 --> 03:29.200 How is this different than those systems? 03:29.620 --> 03:33.160 Search engines are absolutely wretched these days. 03:33.340 --> 03:36.660 They really can't truly give you the results 03:36.660 --> 03:39.080 that you're actually typing in and looking for. 03:39.320 --> 03:45.000 And they'll often present very conflicting results. 03:45.540 --> 03:50.180 So what you'll always encounter when you type in natural law 03:50.180 --> 03:54.400 is you'll come across a very religious or Christian perspective 03:55.040 --> 03:57.060 usually from Thomas Aquinas. 03:57.620 --> 04:00.360 You may come across a completely 04:01.380 --> 04:03.480 differing definition of natural law 04:03.480 --> 04:06.360 that is trying to talk about it from the perspective 04:06.360 --> 04:09.220 of animal behavior or, you know, 04:09.260 --> 04:11.280 what would be called the law of the jungle. 04:11.480 --> 04:13.660 And again, that's absolutely not 04:13.660 --> 04:17.180 what I'm talking about when I talk about the term natural law. 04:18.280 --> 04:21.140 Quite simply, natural law is the laws of the creator 04:21.140 --> 04:24.540 of the universe regarding behavior of intelligent beings 04:24.540 --> 04:27.240 of beings with the capacity for holistic intelligence, 04:27.360 --> 04:31.100 whether they're utilizing actively that intelligence or not. 04:31.100 --> 04:32.940 They have the capacity for it. 04:33.100 --> 04:36.260 They have a brain and central nervous system 04:36.260 --> 04:38.740 that is actually capable of processing the data 04:38.740 --> 04:42.820 that leads to the accurate understanding of right versus wrong. 04:43.340 --> 04:45.880 This is karmic law, essentially. 04:46.560 --> 04:50.120 It is not about a religious connotation. 04:50.660 --> 04:54.780 It is not about the interpretations of any given religion 04:54.780 --> 04:58.140 or the church of the modern day or of the past. 04:58.560 --> 05:00.440 And again, that's what you'll often encounter 05:00.440 --> 05:01.820 when you search for the term. 05:02.580 --> 05:04.820 What we would really define this as 05:04.820 --> 05:08.860 is the laws of consequentialism, the laws of cause and effect. 05:09.540 --> 05:13.060 It is what happens when we behave in certain ways 05:13.640 --> 05:17.040 toward other beings, what results societally 05:17.040 --> 05:18.760 for us in the aggregate. 05:19.400 --> 05:22.020 So it is the law that governs the behavior 05:22.020 --> 05:26.440 of all intelligent civilizations of beings. 05:26.860 --> 05:29.060 And that's what I would say delineates it 05:29.060 --> 05:31.240 from any other definition or variant 05:31.240 --> 05:34.120 that may pop up during an Internet search 05:34.120 --> 05:35.940 on a given search engine. 05:35.940 --> 05:40.420 We have to understand that these are simply universal karmic laws. 05:40.600 --> 05:44.680 They are laws that govern what we essentially receive 05:45.140 --> 05:46.920 as a result of what we do. 05:47.240 --> 05:49.760 And if our behavior is in alignment with natural law, 05:49.940 --> 05:52.740 we receive order and prosperity and freedom. 05:52.860 --> 05:55.260 And if our behavior is in opposition to natural law, 05:55.460 --> 05:59.240 we receive very negative consequences such as disorder, 05:59.480 --> 06:02.880 chaos, enslavement and ultimately death and extinction. 06:03.860 --> 06:07.180 So let's define a couple of key concepts here. 06:07.360 --> 06:10.680 You said immutable law, like what is that exactly? 06:11.140 --> 06:15.280 Sure. So I gave a pretty, you know, big mouthful 06:15.280 --> 06:16.720 for a working definition. 06:17.580 --> 06:20.560 Some of the adjectives that I use to describe natural law 06:20.560 --> 06:21.440 were universal. 06:21.620 --> 06:26.620 That means that it's in effect anywhere in the universe. 06:26.880 --> 06:29.180 Anywhere you go, this law is still in effect. 06:29.400 --> 06:31.320 That's the definition of universal. 06:32.100 --> 06:35.520 It exists everywhere at all times and all places 06:35.520 --> 06:37.480 for as long as the universe exists. 06:38.100 --> 06:41.780 So once again, we're not talking about anything that's manmade. 06:41.840 --> 06:43.940 So that's the second definition, non-manmade. 06:44.400 --> 06:46.140 So these are inherent conditions. 06:46.280 --> 06:47.520 They are not made by us. 06:47.960 --> 06:51.540 They are pre-existing to human beings and will exist there. 06:51.660 --> 06:53.920 If human beings go extinct, they will it will exist 06:53.920 --> 06:57.400 after human beings existed is not contingent upon anything 06:57.400 --> 06:58.860 human beings do. 06:59.020 --> 07:00.020 It's non-manmade. 07:00.020 --> 07:01.740 It's made by the creator of the universe. 07:02.080 --> 07:04.880 If you have a problem with that term or you have a problem 07:04.880 --> 07:07.420 with the term God, you have a problem with the term creator, 07:07.860 --> 07:11.300 I personally don't even really care much about that. 07:11.780 --> 07:15.180 It's this it's made by whatever the same force 07:15.180 --> 07:18.360 and intelligence that created all of the other physical laws. 07:18.680 --> 07:20.280 So if you believe in the physical laws 07:20.900 --> 07:24.220 and they had to have some type of prime source, 07:24.220 --> 07:26.700 they didn't just magically manifest. 07:26.700 --> 07:29.860 They didn't just come from zero and nothing in nowhere. 07:30.560 --> 07:34.640 There has to be some type of universal underlying intelligence 07:34.640 --> 07:37.420 that created these laws because they are not random. 07:37.880 --> 07:42.300 They actually have very rigid guidelines 07:42.300 --> 07:45.500 that they operate by just like any physical laws 07:45.500 --> 07:47.820 like gravity, electromagnetism, etc. 07:48.560 --> 07:49.900 So they're non-manmade. 07:50.180 --> 07:53.520 They're created by whatever force or intelligence 07:53.520 --> 07:55.400 created all the other laws of nature. 07:56.060 --> 07:57.060 They are binding. 07:57.580 --> 07:58.900 That's another adjective that I use. 07:59.060 --> 08:02.440 So binding means that they're in effect, whether we like it or not, 08:02.540 --> 08:06.920 and they actually are governing dynamics. 08:07.300 --> 08:09.960 They are the governing dynamics of human behavior 08:09.960 --> 08:11.680 and consciousness ultimately. 08:12.540 --> 08:14.540 So binding means they have an effect, 08:14.620 --> 08:17.060 whether we believe in it, whether we understand it, 08:17.260 --> 08:19.140 whether we know about it, doesn't matter. 08:19.480 --> 08:22.780 I liken this to a child walking off a small child 08:22.780 --> 08:24.700 of, let's say, two years old, a toddler, 08:25.220 --> 08:29.180 walking off a 3,000-foot cliff or ledge 08:29.790 --> 08:32.800 in a national forest or something, a national park. 08:34.240 --> 08:37.620 The laws of gravity do not take into consideration 08:37.620 --> 08:39.680 that the child is ignorant of them. 08:40.040 --> 08:43.460 It is just in effect and horrible as it may be. 08:43.700 --> 08:46.080 If the child goes over the edge, it's going to die. 08:46.580 --> 08:48.040 It's going to hit the ground and die 08:48.040 --> 08:51.640 just like an adult would that knows about the law of gravity. 08:51.640 --> 08:54.960 So it's not a personal force. 08:55.200 --> 08:56.580 It's just a law of nature. 08:56.840 --> 08:59.060 This is why I say it's not contingent upon belief 08:59.060 --> 09:00.300 and it's not a religion. 09:00.440 --> 09:01.580 It's not a religious notion. 09:02.040 --> 09:06.340 It is simply a law within the natural universe. 09:07.340 --> 09:09.160 And they are immutable, 09:09.240 --> 09:11.820 which means that there is nothing humanity can do 09:11.820 --> 09:14.620 to change them or take them out of effect, these laws. 09:15.160 --> 09:18.280 So immutable means incapable of being changed 09:18.280 --> 09:21.000 by anyone or any other force. 09:21.000 --> 09:25.500 It is simply inherent to the fabric of creation itself 09:25.500 --> 09:29.260 and the underlying intelligence and dynamics of creation. 09:29.480 --> 09:31.660 We can do nothing to take them out of effect. 09:32.260 --> 09:35.420 Those are the general adjectives that I used to describe it 09:35.420 --> 09:38.900 in my basic definitions for, you know, those descriptors. 09:39.260 --> 09:40.540 Thanks, that's really helpful. 09:40.980 --> 09:43.460 Now, how would you define right versus wrong? 09:44.420 --> 09:47.220 So a right is an action 09:47.220 --> 09:52.020 that does not initiate harm against another sentient being. 09:52.540 --> 09:56.280 So again, I've given what is called an apophatic definition, 09:56.440 --> 09:59.640 meaning I'm defining a right in the negative of what it is not. 10:00.180 --> 10:02.540 A right is an action 10:02.540 --> 10:07.360 that does not initiate harm against another sentient being. 10:08.240 --> 10:09.880 A wrongdoing is an action 10:09.880 --> 10:13.900 that does initiate harm against another sentient being. 10:13.900 --> 10:20.460 So we can categorically define what objectively constitutes a wrong 10:20.960 --> 10:24.740 or what are the wrongdoings that actually create a violation 10:24.740 --> 10:27.900 against someone's rights under natural law. 10:28.320 --> 10:30.840 So if there's no initiation of harm, 10:31.200 --> 10:33.660 all behaviors are reserved as rights. 10:34.020 --> 10:38.720 If there is initiation of harm, that is against natural law 10:38.720 --> 10:41.060 and will garner negative consequence. 10:41.580 --> 10:45.820 So we can define what what rights are by knowing the actions 10:45.820 --> 10:48.520 that constitute transgressions against rights, 10:48.740 --> 10:51.080 which are transgressions against natural law. 10:51.500 --> 10:55.240 Those seven wrongdoings are what I in my work 10:55.240 --> 10:57.240 call the real seven deadly sins, 10:57.260 --> 11:01.620 because I try to delineate them from the absolutely incorrect 11:02.120 --> 11:07.260 and obfuscating religious notions of what transgressions are. 11:07.420 --> 11:10.320 I like the word transgression more than the word sin, 11:10.320 --> 11:12.860 which carries a heavy religious connotation, 11:13.280 --> 11:16.660 but for people who are trapped in the mentation of religion 11:16.660 --> 11:20.340 and religious traditions, which obfuscate morality 11:20.340 --> 11:24.700 instead of giving true morality and the definitions of it, 11:25.320 --> 11:27.900 they just arbitrarily make up what they find 11:27.900 --> 11:33.040 are some things that they don't like or find deplorable. 11:33.660 --> 11:37.540 And they then say this is this is morality and this is immorality. 11:37.540 --> 11:42.540 And it's an arbitrary definition chosen upon women preference. 11:43.540 --> 11:47.220 Instead, we have to understand what the objective harms are. 11:47.520 --> 11:50.100 So if we understand what the objective harms are, 11:50.180 --> 11:53.620 we're going to understand how natural law actually operates. 11:53.840 --> 11:56.440 And what we simply must stop doing 11:56.440 --> 12:00.280 if we don't want to keep creating chaos in our lives and in our world. 12:00.740 --> 12:03.280 So the seven natural law transgressions, 12:03.280 --> 12:06.280 or if you want to call them the seven deadly sins, 12:06.280 --> 12:10.540 the real ones instead of the religious ones are murder, assault, 12:11.320 --> 12:16.220 rape, theft, trespass, coercion and deception. 12:16.780 --> 12:19.380 These are the seven things that actually diminish 12:19.380 --> 12:22.600 another being in their person or property. 12:23.280 --> 12:28.600 So murder is the theft of life without the right to do so. 12:29.080 --> 12:30.480 It's not self-defense. 12:30.700 --> 12:31.820 It's not killing in self-defense. 12:32.020 --> 12:35.740 It's murder and killing in self-defense are two different behaviors. 12:36.280 --> 12:42.120 So murder is taking life and you initiated the taking of life without right. 12:42.480 --> 12:45.440 That's murder. So it's a form of theft, OK, 12:45.520 --> 12:48.700 as we're going to see all of the transgressions are simply forms of theft. 12:49.420 --> 12:55.220 Assault is the initiation of the taking of physical well-being without right. 12:55.660 --> 12:59.180 Again, not self-defense, but pure aggression. 12:59.680 --> 13:01.920 OK, so that's what assault is based upon. 13:02.080 --> 13:04.980 So it is the theft of well-being without right. 13:05.760 --> 13:10.500 Rape is the theft of free will sexual association without right. 13:10.820 --> 13:12.640 It's also a form of coercion, obviously. 13:14.780 --> 13:20.860 Theft is simply the stealing of property with that wasn't yours to take. 13:21.480 --> 13:23.680 So obviously that's self-explanatory. 13:25.000 --> 13:26.780 Then we have trespass. 13:27.020 --> 13:31.480 That's the the stealing or taking of someone's safety 13:31.480 --> 13:36.480 in their own living domain or their own layer without right. 13:36.980 --> 13:39.340 So you're initiating violence in that capacity. 13:40.140 --> 13:41.580 Then we have coercion. 13:41.740 --> 13:44.940 This is the taking of someone else's free will, 13:45.220 --> 13:50.420 their right to make an informed decision of their own free will. 13:50.880 --> 13:52.480 So that's a form of theft. 13:52.860 --> 13:54.840 And this is one of the biggest ones coercion. 13:54.960 --> 13:55.280 It's everywhere. 13:55.480 --> 13:59.220 That's what basically all government is all claims of authority 13:59.220 --> 14:01.260 are backed by coercion and duress. 14:01.940 --> 14:05.080 And then we have deception, 14:05.480 --> 14:10.160 which is taking someone's ability to make an informed decision 14:10.160 --> 14:14.800 because you're deliberately inserting misinformation, 14:15.300 --> 14:19.660 disinformation, outright lies to take someone away from the truth 14:19.660 --> 14:21.700 so that they can't make an informed decision. 14:22.200 --> 14:24.140 So these are all forms of theft. 14:24.380 --> 14:27.740 All of them have the one commonality that you're stealing 14:27.740 --> 14:30.300 something from someone else that you have no right to. 14:30.600 --> 14:33.000 That is not your property is someone else's property. 14:33.000 --> 14:34.600 And you're simply taking it. 14:34.940 --> 14:39.620 So all of natural law could be boiled down to a very simple phrase. 14:39.980 --> 14:40.680 Don't steal. 14:41.140 --> 14:46.480 Natural law is the prescription against all forms of theft. 14:46.920 --> 14:52.700 It is basically attempting to relay the message to human beings 14:52.700 --> 14:56.600 that you are here to learn what your property is 14:56.600 --> 14:59.560 and what your property is not and do not take that, 14:59.580 --> 15:01.420 which does not belong to you to take. 15:02.220 --> 15:05.920 So utilize your own property, exercise your own rights, 15:06.400 --> 15:12.020 do not transgress against someone else's rights, life rights and property. 15:12.560 --> 15:14.480 It really can't get any simpler. 15:14.900 --> 15:16.120 It's so simple. 15:16.420 --> 15:20.580 It is unbelievable that people still cannot understand these dynamics 15:20.580 --> 15:24.480 this late in the game, in the whole process 15:24.480 --> 15:27.900 of which we find ourselves ensconced in this entire 15:28.560 --> 15:31.000 dynamic of tyranny in which we find ourselves. 15:31.420 --> 15:35.980 And that is because people do not understand the real true objective 15:35.980 --> 15:41.020 difference between right behavior and wrong behavior, sad as that is to say. 15:41.920 --> 15:46.580 Yeah, that that simple concept is what anchors into my mind 15:46.580 --> 15:50.420 so that in real time, right, I can make informed decisions 15:50.420 --> 15:53.300 of how I want to operate here in reality. 15:53.300 --> 15:57.440 And having this natural law and and and being able to, you know, 15:57.460 --> 16:02.660 really set into some complex scenarios and be able to like simplify it is really helpful. 16:03.100 --> 16:06.420 I got a personal scenario that I'm going to bring up that I that I did 16:06.420 --> 16:08.140 what ran into a couple of weeks ago. 16:08.620 --> 16:12.120 But first, I'll throw a couple softballs at you. 16:12.380 --> 16:16.800 So say you're an employee and you're asked by your manager 16:16.800 --> 16:20.620 to manipulate some client data to make some performance metrics look better. 16:20.800 --> 16:21.480 What do you do? 16:22.280 --> 16:25.380 Definitely against natural law, a form of deception. 16:25.740 --> 16:29.240 You're basically lying to people who are relying on accurate data. 16:29.360 --> 16:32.080 So definitely in opposition to natural law. 16:32.700 --> 16:34.920 Pretty clear cut, as far as I'm concerned. 16:35.340 --> 16:39.960 See, a neighbor repeatedly trespasses on your land to dump yard debris. 16:40.320 --> 16:42.300 You politely ask them to stop when they continue. 16:42.660 --> 16:45.300 You set up a simple fence and post a respectful warning note. 16:45.820 --> 16:48.300 Is that a good way to handle the situation? 16:48.300 --> 16:49.740 I would say it is. 16:50.000 --> 16:55.840 That's your your first line of trying to set up boundaries 16:56.760 --> 17:01.520 when they're not respected, when, you know, simply politely asking 17:01.520 --> 17:05.020 when they should really be understood and respected from the beginning. 17:05.820 --> 17:10.500 So yes, that is that's an acceptable way of beginning setting up boundaries. 17:10.700 --> 17:12.600 And in this case, it's actually a physical one. 17:13.740 --> 17:18.760 So what's step one for somebody who wants to build a natural law base 17:18.760 --> 17:22.880 inter compass, like how do they, you know, put install this? 17:23.180 --> 17:26.120 I would say one of the first things is you have to understand how this 17:26.120 --> 17:32.360 behavioral governing dynamic works in all of our lives collectively. 17:32.840 --> 17:35.120 This is what I refer to as the law of freedom. 17:35.320 --> 17:37.280 It's one of the biggest parts of natural law. 17:37.580 --> 17:41.670 This will solidify it in people's mindset and mental framework 17:41.670 --> 17:44.810 such that they can begin to align their behavior to it. 17:45.130 --> 17:50.390 The law of freedom is very simple as morality increases in the aggregate 17:50.390 --> 17:55.770 of any given civilization or population, freedom increases. 17:56.430 --> 18:01.390 And as morality declines in the aggregate in any given civilization, 18:01.710 --> 18:03.410 the aggregate freedom declines. 18:03.670 --> 18:09.910 So this is the actual dynamic that is directly related to how human freedom 18:09.910 --> 18:11.350 either grows or shrinks. 18:12.010 --> 18:14.190 Are we living free or are we living enslaved? 18:14.550 --> 18:16.750 Are we living free according to our natural rights? 18:16.850 --> 18:17.930 Are we living in tyranny? 18:18.490 --> 18:22.230 So that's the law of freedom as collective morality increases, 18:22.550 --> 18:26.090 collective freedom increases as collective morality declines, 18:26.210 --> 18:27.550 collective freedom declines. 18:28.070 --> 18:31.850 Once you really understand that basic governing dynamic in the universe, 18:31.850 --> 18:36.130 then you can use that as a guidepost or as a compass to set 18:36.130 --> 18:39.190 your direction for your behavior in life. 18:39.790 --> 18:44.250 That's how I would say people should really gauge what is really going on 18:44.250 --> 18:47.750 in our society at large and ultimately set their own moral compass. 18:48.290 --> 18:51.910 Morality is the actual defining dynamic. 18:52.010 --> 18:54.310 It is a governing dynamic for human freedom. 18:55.210 --> 18:58.070 Now, I was going to weigh this a bit deeper into the pool 18:58.070 --> 19:02.550 and in simple terms, how does knowing and living by natural law 19:02.550 --> 19:06.030 empower you against corrupt or centralized system? 19:06.900 --> 19:11.490 Very important because what you will do in ignorance of natural law 19:11.490 --> 19:14.610 is you won't even really understand what true corruption is. 19:14.730 --> 19:15.770 You won't understand evil. 19:16.150 --> 19:19.990 See, the ignorance of natural law and objective morality 19:19.990 --> 19:23.990 ultimately equates to naivete for evil in the world. 19:24.510 --> 19:28.270 And if we are aware of these dynamics and how they work 19:28.780 --> 19:31.430 over all of society, all of human society, 19:31.870 --> 19:36.570 then we will become street wise to the corruption and the tyranny 19:36.570 --> 19:37.850 that is going on all around us. 19:37.890 --> 19:41.710 It will be easier to see once we really truly understand 19:41.710 --> 19:45.050 the objective and true difference between right and wrong. 19:45.350 --> 19:48.830 And this unfortunately is why religious institutions 19:48.830 --> 19:50.450 were ultimately created. 19:50.910 --> 19:55.470 They were created by the ruling class and the the the tyrants 19:55.470 --> 20:01.050 of our societies to obfuscate what is the actual real world 20:01.050 --> 20:02.590 difference between right and wrong. 20:03.030 --> 20:05.390 And that's why so few people really know the difference 20:05.390 --> 20:07.830 between right and wrong truly and objectively. 20:08.390 --> 20:11.550 They're operating according to either secular definitions 20:11.550 --> 20:14.230 of right and wrong or they're operating according to religious 20:14.230 --> 20:15.810 definitions of right and wrong. 20:16.110 --> 20:17.330 Both are inadequate. 20:18.010 --> 20:24.190 This is a universal spiritual base of law that exists 20:24.190 --> 20:25.410 in the cosmos. 20:25.870 --> 20:29.110 It has nothing to do with man made laws and it has nothing 20:29.110 --> 20:30.610 to do with man made religions. 20:30.610 --> 20:34.310 It is simply the governing dynamics of the universe when 20:34.310 --> 20:38.030 it comes to behavior of civilizations that have the 20:38.030 --> 20:40.070 capacity for holistic intelligence. 20:40.450 --> 20:43.370 So that is how I would say people can really understand 20:43.370 --> 20:46.210 these dynamics and begin to align their behavior to them 20:46.210 --> 20:50.830 to see what's going on around them, you know, geopolitically 20:50.830 --> 20:54.690 and socially and spiritually and then align their behavior 20:54.690 --> 20:58.210 to the true right, which will absolutely increase human 20:58.210 --> 21:01.450 freedom and the order of human civilization. 21:02.310 --> 21:05.170 There's a lot more to that, but everybody needs to just 21:05.170 --> 21:08.310 just start walking the road in order to, you know, see the 21:08.310 --> 21:09.790 direction that that hits. 21:10.010 --> 21:11.910 I have a real time scenario. 21:12.410 --> 21:14.770 So a couple of weeks ago, I went and saw my favorite 21:14.770 --> 21:16.350 band Rising Appalachia. 21:16.890 --> 21:20.550 It was an incredible concert and they made an announcement. 21:20.830 --> 21:23.550 Hey, we've got some merch at the table in the back and 21:23.550 --> 21:26.950 you know, we'd love it if you support us and I turned 21:26.950 --> 21:30.510 around and there was this massive line to the merch 21:30.510 --> 21:31.310 table, right? 21:31.790 --> 21:35.650 I ended up talking to people and found myself right next 21:35.650 --> 21:39.530 to the front of the merch table and they had these killer 21:39.530 --> 21:41.390 hats and they only had like five of them. 21:41.490 --> 21:46.930 This line was like, you know, went far and I took out 21:46.930 --> 21:51.110 $20 and just kind of scooted over to the table and 21:51.110 --> 21:53.310 hand put my put my $20 out. 21:53.310 --> 21:55.830 The lady grabbed it, gave me a hat. 21:56.070 --> 21:58.390 I said, yes, I love this hat. 21:58.570 --> 22:02.570 I love this band and then I sat with it for a while afterwards 22:03.390 --> 22:08.030 and Mark, according to natural law, did I violate it? 22:09.550 --> 22:14.030 I would say the closest violation would be trespass upon 22:14.030 --> 22:17.810 other space in line, which they sort of took rightfully 22:17.810 --> 22:19.090 and you bypassed. 22:19.090 --> 22:23.530 So that that is it's, you know, it's a light transgression, 22:23.590 --> 22:25.250 but I would say it's a transgression. 22:25.850 --> 22:28.330 I thought you were going to tell me that you offered people 22:29.530 --> 22:33.330 to switch places with you in line with the money, but just 22:33.330 --> 22:34.870 going up cutting the line. 22:35.130 --> 22:37.750 Yes, it's a it's a light form of trespasses. 22:37.990 --> 22:38.830 What I would have to say. 22:39.470 --> 22:43.390 It was easy to justify in the moment because of how much 22:43.390 --> 22:48.010 I wanted this hat and then upon thinking about it, 22:48.010 --> 22:52.070 I reached the same conclusion that I stole the opportunity 22:52.070 --> 22:55.770 from somebody that was, you know, agreeing to the social 22:55.770 --> 22:58.950 agreement, which I didn't really agree to, but, you know, 22:59.030 --> 23:00.470 that's kind of how lines work. 23:01.190 --> 23:05.090 And so taking I'd have to agree with that assessment. 23:05.390 --> 23:08.210 Yes, but taking the scenario, right? 23:08.390 --> 23:11.510 Once you realize, you know, you're out of alignment 23:11.510 --> 23:14.230 with natural law, what do you do next? 23:14.230 --> 23:17.730 Like, how do you fine tune your compass? 23:19.230 --> 23:22.830 You know, in a scenario like that, it would be difficult 23:22.830 --> 23:24.450 because you don't know who the people are. 23:24.610 --> 23:27.890 But really what it ultimately amounts to is you have to 23:27.890 --> 23:29.230 rectify the situation. 23:29.970 --> 23:33.930 So if you analyze that in the moment and you said, 23:34.010 --> 23:35.910 well, you know, who were the people in line? 23:36.070 --> 23:38.470 Were you going to buy a hat if you went through the line 23:38.470 --> 23:42.090 and said this was your opportunity, not mine and give 23:42.090 --> 23:44.450 that give them the opportunity to purchase it? 23:44.890 --> 23:48.250 That's rectifying the situation in the moment post something 23:48.250 --> 23:48.850 like that. 23:48.890 --> 23:52.230 You really can't can't truly rectify that scenario. 23:52.650 --> 23:56.590 So recognizing that you did do something that was in 23:56.590 --> 24:00.350 violation of natural law, if you simply make amends with 24:00.350 --> 24:02.710 it within yourself and agree not to do it again. 24:03.270 --> 24:06.850 That's a form of, you know, basically bringing about 24:06.850 --> 24:11.350 what needs to happen from an internal perspective to 24:11.350 --> 24:12.530 write that situation. 24:12.950 --> 24:15.010 You're not in a position to write it physically, 24:15.450 --> 24:17.790 but you can write it mentally, at least in the sense 24:17.790 --> 24:18.970 that you will not do that again. 24:20.090 --> 24:22.490 That was the same conclusion that I came to. 24:22.750 --> 24:24.770 Like I figured it out. 24:24.890 --> 24:29.050 I came to that conclusion post after the event and really 24:29.050 --> 24:32.390 that's all that I could do is just fine tune my compass, 24:32.530 --> 24:34.990 which is an ongoing process, right? 24:35.310 --> 24:36.410 Like we're never perfect. 24:36.630 --> 24:39.370 No one's perfect at all in any way. 24:39.370 --> 24:42.590 All we can do is strive to be better than the person 24:42.590 --> 24:43.670 we were the day before. 24:43.850 --> 24:44.370 That's it. 24:44.390 --> 24:45.510 That's who we're competing with. 24:45.630 --> 24:47.110 We're not competing with anyone externally. 24:47.350 --> 24:49.630 We're competing with ourselves from yesterday. 24:50.230 --> 24:54.690 So that is, you know, I would say, you know, a the 24:54.690 --> 24:57.130 only thing that you can do at that point, you know, 24:57.190 --> 24:59.930 that that's what you're going to do. 25:00.010 --> 25:02.430 What you can do to improve your own understanding of it. 25:02.430 --> 25:05.590 We all give in to certain temptations. 25:05.590 --> 25:09.550 We all give in to certain, you know, throws in the moment. 25:09.770 --> 25:10.850 That's going to happen. 25:11.010 --> 25:12.010 None of us are perfect. 25:12.510 --> 25:16.950 So that that's a again, a light transgression, but yes, 25:17.150 --> 25:19.330 definitely not in alignment with it. 25:19.570 --> 25:23.450 And your understanding of that makes you much less likely 25:23.450 --> 25:26.110 to repeat that transgression in the future. 25:26.850 --> 25:29.270 I thought that was a good scenario to bring up, right? 25:29.510 --> 25:33.370 I was going to tell Mark Passio that I violated natural 25:33.370 --> 25:38.830 law and yeah, there are consequences and it's an opportunity 25:38.830 --> 25:43.790 though for one for me to be real and vulnerable with myself 25:43.790 --> 25:47.670 to actually like examine is the first step and then got to 25:47.670 --> 25:48.890 be honest with yourself. 25:48.970 --> 25:49.370 Definitely. 25:49.610 --> 25:50.410 That's the first step. 25:50.630 --> 25:50.710 Yep. 25:51.110 --> 25:53.390 And then and then there's an embarrassment, right? 25:53.490 --> 25:56.130 Like, oh, I did something wrong and it's tip like 25:56.130 --> 25:59.270 human nature to kind of like hide those things of, you 25:59.270 --> 26:01.790 know, when you were not correct and right. 26:02.450 --> 26:04.670 I just could call real confession. 26:04.930 --> 26:07.010 It's not it's not the religious notion of it. 26:07.030 --> 26:09.990 You just told people you did something wrong, recognize that 26:09.990 --> 26:12.450 and then you make a commitment not to repeat it. 26:13.190 --> 26:15.970 And I have a seven year old daughter who I'm teaching 26:15.970 --> 26:16.830 these things to. 26:17.150 --> 26:20.130 So this is a great opportunity for me to like pass down 26:20.130 --> 26:23.410 this knowledge and fine tuning of my compass down to her. 26:23.650 --> 26:26.230 So I have, you know, gained good benefit from it 26:26.230 --> 26:28.050 and thought it was a great thing to share with everybody. 26:28.830 --> 26:32.530 In closing, Mark, you know, what's one practical step 26:32.530 --> 26:35.350 that our audience can take today like right now? 26:36.070 --> 26:40.050 What I always tell people is what you really have to do 26:40.050 --> 26:43.210 is change your own worldview and your own thoughts. 26:43.670 --> 26:47.430 If in the aggregate, the worldview and the thoughts 26:47.430 --> 26:50.190 that we have had collectively as a species have led 26:50.190 --> 26:51.630 to the current human condition. 26:51.970 --> 26:54.930 And if you don't understand that that slavery and tyranny 26:54.930 --> 26:56.370 you're not awake. 26:56.570 --> 26:57.410 You're not paying attention. 26:57.410 --> 26:58.530 You're not very conscious. 26:59.150 --> 27:03.790 So if you understand that the current mindset and worldview 27:04.190 --> 27:08.290 and thought processes have led to the current human condition, 27:08.290 --> 27:11.090 then you understand it's ultimately your responsibility 27:11.090 --> 27:15.170 to reevaluate your worldview and your thought processes 27:15.170 --> 27:18.390 and come to a better understanding of how things really 27:18.390 --> 27:21.830 work in nature and in our reality and in our society. 27:22.390 --> 27:25.950 So to those ends, I always recommend people to go to 27:25.950 --> 27:29.470 my website, waddlenerthishappening.com and listen 27:29.470 --> 27:32.690 to my podcast series and watch my podcast series in order 27:32.690 --> 27:36.210 and you'll see a very natural stepwise progression 27:36.210 --> 27:39.630 that I designed to help move people's worldview 27:39.630 --> 27:41.050 along in the right direction. 27:41.530 --> 27:43.910 It's very deliberately set up that way. 27:44.550 --> 27:47.650 And if people take the time, again, that's one 27:47.650 --> 27:49.690 of the spiritual currencies, time and attention. 27:49.870 --> 27:52.550 If they utilize those currencies, their time 27:52.550 --> 27:54.810 and their attention and really truly spend the time 27:54.810 --> 27:57.670 with that material and truly pay attention to it and attempt 27:57.670 --> 27:59.550 to integrate it into their own consciousness. 28:00.230 --> 28:02.050 Their worldview will change for the better. 28:02.490 --> 28:04.650 They will have a better grasp and understanding 28:04.650 --> 28:07.690 of the dynamics that have led humanity into the current 28:07.690 --> 28:10.270 situation that it's in and they'll have a much clearer 28:10.270 --> 28:13.650 notion of what the true solutions are to get 28:13.650 --> 28:15.290 out of the human condition of slavery. 28:15.690 --> 28:17.610 So that's waddlenerthishappening.com. 28:17.950 --> 28:19.490 Click on the podcast tab. 28:19.770 --> 28:21.010 Start from number one. 28:21.390 --> 28:22.270 Don't skip around. 28:22.570 --> 28:24.350 Go in order at your own pace. 28:24.810 --> 28:25.910 That's my best recommendation. 28:26.150 --> 28:28.330 Anybody and then, you know, check out my presentation 28:28.330 --> 28:30.990 series and my my lectures, my videos. 28:31.290 --> 28:33.590 I've had short documentary on natural law. 28:33.690 --> 28:34.790 Well, it's like full length. 28:34.930 --> 28:36.710 It's like over an hour, about an hour and 10 minutes. 28:37.230 --> 28:39.990 I recommend that one to people too called Mark Pascio 28:39.990 --> 28:41.710 and the science of natural law. 28:42.210 --> 28:45.110 So those are my recommendations for people just 28:45.110 --> 28:47.430 getting started with this material. 28:47.570 --> 28:49.930 And those are my resources for a much better 28:49.930 --> 28:50.830 understanding of it. 28:51.570 --> 28:53.250 Mark, thanks so much for your time today. 28:53.250 --> 28:55.850 My life has greatly improved since coming across 28:55.850 --> 28:58.470 natural law the way that you were able to, you know, 28:58.470 --> 28:59.310 simply share it. 28:59.670 --> 29:03.070 I will have also a link to the eight hour natural law 29:03.070 --> 29:06.490 seminar that I originally saw and thank you again 29:06.490 --> 29:06.970 for your time. 29:07.390 --> 29:08.770 Joshua, thank you so much. 29:08.850 --> 29:10.290 Thank you for all the great work that you've done 29:10.290 --> 29:11.170 over the years, my friend.