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Well, two executions in the news.

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Nadal Hassan and Krista Pike.

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It's supposed to happen a couple of weeks ago.

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Hassan is supposed to happen in a couple of weeks.

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Hello, world. My name is Alex Baker.

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Welcome to Smashing the Overton Window.

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Joined by my co-host, Larkin Rose.

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Larkin, how you doing?

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Pretty good, despite the insanity going on all over the place.

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You know, despite the insanity.

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All right.

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So there's a couple executions that are in the news right now.

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Nadal Hassan, convicted of killing 13 at Fort Hood in 2009.

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Military firing squad execution is scheduled for December 3rd

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coming up in a couple of weeks.

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Hassan described his attack as retaliation

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for U.S. military violence against Muslims in Iraq

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and Afghanistan, including the killing of innocent civilians.

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Legal challenges may delay the execution.

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And of course, as you probably know by now,

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Pete Hegseth, Secretary of War.

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I'm not sure quite when they changed that back.

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It used to once a long time ago be Secretary of War.

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Then they changed it to Secretary of Defense.

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Now they're back to being upfront about it.

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Secretary of War.

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He proposed a public live stream as a deterrent.

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So let's just go from there.

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I think I have a clip I can jump into.

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Let's see.

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This is from a week ago or a little more.

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Secretary Pete Hegseth said he wanted to make sure

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that people are able to watch it, that it's public.

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Army Major betrays his country.

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Radical Islamist kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood.

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Of course, we're going to do it at Fort Hood.

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We're going to do it on a Thursday.

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We're going to do it at 1 o'clock, which is when he did it.

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And it's going to be soldiers with rifles

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executing the firing squad.

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Okay.

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And that's, I guess, Hassan right there.

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What is this bringing up in your mind, Larkin?

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So many things.

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It's so ridiculous.

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First of all, it's so ridiculously hypocritical that like

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literal war criminal who's had a bunch of innocent people

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murdered like, how could he do this?

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And it's one of those things where if you can control

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what people think and the vocabulary they use,

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they start to think just completely moronic things

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and completely hypocritical things.

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The moment you call it war, people decide,

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well, then there are no rules or there's a completely

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different set of rules.

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Like, how dare this guy shoot a bunch of U.S. soldiers?

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Right.

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Isn't that what war is?

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Like, yeah, but you didn't do it the way you're supposed to.

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You're supposed to like drop a bomb on school children

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from the other side of the world.

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That's the proper civilized way to murder when you're a soldier.

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But you can't just like sneak up and shoot a bunch of soldiers.

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Like, isn't that literally what every military tactician

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always does is catch them off guard, hit them over here.

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And they're pretending like, oh, this is so,

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this is beyond the pale and this is unthinkable.

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Like, you're the dumbasses who decided the massive

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collective war thing is something that should happen.

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This is what it looks like.

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And the fact that anybody, he betrayed his country.

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Like, his given excuse is literally better than the

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given excuse for the U.S.

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war mongers, which is you guys did evil, nasty things

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and killed innocents.

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So bam, bam, bam.

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It's like, well, that's more consistent than what the U.S.

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military does.

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But Americans don't know how to think in principles.

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So they go, how can they do that?

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Yeah.

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I mean, now, of course, Trump has now canceled the live stream.

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I don't know how I feel about that.

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And I don't know about the deterrent effect.

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In fact, the deterrent effect of capital punishment in general

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has been studied for a long time.

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And the conclusion is there's no conclusion.

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OK, I think it's it might deter some people.

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It might actually encourage or incentivize other different

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people who want to be martyrs.

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Oh, and now with social media, oh, I can get, you know,

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if I'm live, if my execution is live streamed,

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I can get a million views.

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OK, let's let's do it.

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I mean, some some people might think like that.

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So but I'm reminded of what my late father used to say.

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He was talking, you know, we were talking about capital

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punishment forever ago.

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Oh, dad, does it does it is act as a deterrent?

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And he was like, well, speaking of the murderer,

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it deters the hell out of that guy now, doesn't it?

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Right, pretty effective on him.

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On him.

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I don't know.

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I mean, it really goes back to do we need to all have

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the same set of values, right?

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That's the question.

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And I think a question for thinking people,

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which if you're watching and listening to this show,

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you are a thinking person.

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Most people, a lot of people anyway, have neither

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the ability or the desire to actually think they kind of

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find it painful.

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But if you're watching and listening to this show,

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you are a thinking person.

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So think about this just as a thought experiment.

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What if there were no rulers?

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There was no ruling class.

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And then somebody did something nasty.

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You knew about a murder or somebody raped somebody

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or wanted to defraud you out of a million dollars

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or whatever the bad thing is.

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What would you do?

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Right?

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That's just for the back of your mind.

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What would you do about it?

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All right.

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All right.

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So Trump has canceled this.

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Let's have a look.

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I've got a what is this something from daily wire.

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I believe this is.

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Yeah, this is Trump lays out why he's canceling plans

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to live stream the terrorist execution.

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Of course, he's a terrorist.

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Like, we're not terrorists in the Middle East.

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Oh, no, no, we're defending freedom.

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Of course.

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Right.

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So no, yeah.

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But I just want to read this because it's kind of wacky.

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Decision came after days of speculation.

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Secretary of War Pete Hegseth's announcement.

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Okay.

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This is Trump's quote and it's just.

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I think streaming the execution for all to see might have

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might have been a strong deterrent for the word world to

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witness how America deals with terrorists and scum like

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Hassan, but for many very good and well, meaning people

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would rather not watch him die through streaming or through

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any other visual device.

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Well, notice how he's not getting to its writer.

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It's wrong.

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I don't know whether, but he's not even thinking in those

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terms and he doesn't want you to think in those terms, right?

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He wants you to think you're an American and whatever he

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does, he does on behalf of you, right?

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And that's that this this collectivist idea.

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But, you know, people would rather not watch it.

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Wolf crying out loud.

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You don't have to watch it.

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It basically just admitting that his entire focus is the

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propaganda and the controlling of other people's minds and

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what they perceive.

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And he doesn't think about right and wrong because he's

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a nihilistic, narcissistic psychopath.

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But it's it's I mean everything about war is a fine

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example, but this is this by itself is a fine example

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of the terrorists and, you know, like I already pointed

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out the idea that like, oh, when the guys on the

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other side kill our soldiers, you're a terrorist.

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But when we blow you up like that's fighting for freedom

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and blah, blah, blah.

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But people if you just put it in terms of principles,

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people can't process it because they've been trained

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to not process it.

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Okay, let's say somebody like some foreign military

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said there's some bad people in your town.

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So we just napalm the hell out of your town.

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We killed several thousand like innocent random

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bystanders, but we got it.

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Those dozen bad guys and you're like, this is

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horrible.

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We have to do something about it.

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Okay, are you a terrorist because you decided like

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you're murdering innocent people.

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Maybe I should go do something about it.

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And the fact that anybody who falls for this is

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so bad at putting themselves in other people's

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shoes like if you lived over in another country

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and watched the US military just bomb the crap

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out of your neighbors and your house and stuff.

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And they said, oh, we're going after the bad

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people who already abuse you.

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It's like, yeah, but you're blowing us up.

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And if you just murdered my family.

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Yeah, I might be kind of mad at you.

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And the fact that Americans will go, he's a terrorist

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because this love this guy who shot some soldiers

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at Fort Hood, like you have no principles and no

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ability to think if you can just brush that off

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as a terrorist.

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Like don't take five seconds to think.

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I wonder what he's thinking.

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Whether you agree with him not or not, whether

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you think he's right or wrong or justified or

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whatever, at least go, huh, can I imagine

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why somebody would want to do that?

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Yeah, really, really, really, really easily all

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the evil crap the US military does.

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I can very easily imagine somebody saying, I

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want to kill some US soldiers because look

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at all the evil shit they did.

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And it's and you can say, well, those soldiers

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didn't do it like the question of whether

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it was appropriate or whatever that comes

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second, but most Americans are in keep capable

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of even starting with, huh, I wonder

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why you did that.

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No, he's terrorist and scum.

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Donald Trump says he's scum, so you don't

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have to like think about I wonder why this

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happens.

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Maybe it's called blowback.

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I wonder and it's just people who fall

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for that just it's pathetic.

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It is.

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Hey, this guy is, I forget his name is a

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podcaster.

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I think he's going to tell me his name in

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a second.

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Just listen to this little clip and I

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have new information about what's going

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to happen with Krista Pike.

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This is about Krista Pike.

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So we're going to alternate back and forth

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between these these two executions.

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Krista Pike, of course, is a murderer.

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She a horrible, horrible murder back

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when she was 18 years old.

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I believe it was.

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But the execution was botched.

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They tried to execute her by lethal injection

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and she lived and she's talking again

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and I don't know what's going on.

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But let's listen to this guy because there's

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a point or better said, I have new

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information about the battle over what happens

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next for Krista Spike within the governor's

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office in Tennessee.

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I'm Chris Cuomo.

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Welcome to Cuomo crime time.

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So the governor, as you may have heard,

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has suspended executions while they

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investigate what's going on here.

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I'm told that that's not the real probe

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that's going on.

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The real probe that's going on is

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there is definitely a faction within

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that statehouse within that governor's

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office that thinks that that should be

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it in terms of trying to kill Krista

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Spike. Now, here's the problem with that.

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It's not what the law says.

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Okay, that's not what the law says.

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Okay, so once again, right?

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Hey, let's not talk about whether

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something's right or wrong, which I

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think there's there's good arguments

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maybe on on both sides of that.

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But let's not talk about that.

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Let's talk about what is the law.

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Larkin, what what does the I have?

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I mean, law is my second career now.

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I do a lot of litigation.

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But what what what does the law mean?

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Larkin, what does that mean?

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What do the magic politicians scribbles

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say? It's this weird thing.

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And it's part of the indoctrination

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into imagining that authority is real

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and imagining that government isn't just people.

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It's like, well, we have this is a this

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is that we have rule by law, not rule

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by, you know, people.

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It's like what what species wrote the laws?

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When it's people.

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But this weird abstraction of like, well,

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there's some scribbles somewhere.

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Nevermind where they came from.

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Nevermind questioning them or nevermind

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saying like, yeah, but those scribbles

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are stupid.

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Why? Why would we follow those stupid

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scribbles if you can't think of an

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actual argument?

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It's sort of trying to create the image

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of something outside of people.

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Like as opposed to the idea of like

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if you and I don't usually use the term

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law for this, but that's sort of a semantic

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thing, if you say, well, let's write down

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sort of a rational way, rational moral

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way to approach something.

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If somebody is accused of doing something

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bad, like we should probably give them

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due process and make sure we're not

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punishing innocent people and all that

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stuff that makes sense.

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But now we just have arbitrary

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fabricated stuff made up by politicians

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and then revering their scribbles as

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if like, oh, you can't you think

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you're above the law?

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Well, yeah, it's some scribbles

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usually by the worst people in the world

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and deferring to that like, well, we have

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to go by that except government

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never goes by some rules.

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Anyway, but aside from that, just

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revering just some scribbles that

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somebody made up instead of going,

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wait, do they make any sense?

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Like and you don't see this in any

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other field of thought like in science.

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It's like, oh, we're studying how

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this, you know, the interaction of

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the gravitational orbits of these

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moons and there seems to be as like,

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well, I wrote this down.

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It's like, yeah, but we're

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looking at the actual leavening.

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Yeah, but I wrote it down and

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it's on paper written down.

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So we have to defer to what I wrote

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down like, no, we don't.

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We refer to reality and whatever

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you wrote down, if it matches

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reality, good for you.

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If it doesn't, then who cares

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what you wrote.

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But this weird twisted view of we

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have to play by the rules made

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up. It's not even made up

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by the politicians.

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It's made up by people whose names

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aren't even on the thing.

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The assistant of some assistant

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who wrote some or some lobbyist

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who wrote the damn thing.

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But it's just so weird that people

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defer to the thing without ever

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thinking, what even is it?

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What's this law thing that we're

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supposed to revere?

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It's some words made up by some liars.

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What I got, I got in trouble in law

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school.

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So I'm going to digress

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just a little bit here, but

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it just reminds me of something.

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So in in first year law,

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we had contracts towards crimes.

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Contracts is one of the basics of law.

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What is a contract?

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Then by third year law, we had

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constitutional law and for my mid

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term, I wrote a paper literally

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called the Constitution is unconstitutional.

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That was my title.

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I ended up they made me redo it,

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but that's a different story.

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But my point was that the constitution

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reads like a contract.

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OK, we the people of the United States

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in order to do this and that we here

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do by ordain and establish a very

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religious term or we ordain it, right?

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Yeah, with the the United was very,

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you know, but then it's signed by a

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bunch of people.

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All right.

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And we learned in first year in contracts

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class that a contract only binds

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the people who signed it.

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OK, I can sell you my car.

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I cannot sell you Larkin's car.

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Why?

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Because it's not mine.

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It's pretty basic.

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It's pretty straight ahead.

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And so they and by the way,

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I'll get into rights maybe in a little bit.

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But here's a trivia question for you

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in the original Constitution before

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they added the Bill of Rights.

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How many times does the word rights

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appear in the US Constitution?

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OK, I'll give it away.

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The answer is zero zero times.

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I guess.

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OK, the word power occurs 47 times.

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OK, either literally or by inference.

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OK, they have the power to tax.

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They have the power to borrow money and

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force you to pay it back.

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They have the power to declare war

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purchased with borrowed money that you

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have to pay for and and all of that.

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OK, word rights isn't even in there.

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Four years later.

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Yeah, they added the Bill of Rights,

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but it kind of suggests that kind of like.

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Oops, they got caught.

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It's kind of like they wrote down something

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and then maybe somebody noticed.

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Um, this is completely different than

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the Declaration of Independence.

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Maybe I'll talk about that in a second.

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This is the same interview that had Hegseth

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a little bit later on in the interview.

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Let's listen.

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They have got some law professor on it.

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Forget her name, but let's just have a listen.

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I've been speaking with Dr.

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Casey McCall Smith, who's a lecturer in

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Public International Law at the

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University of Edinburgh and chair of

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the Association of Human Rights Institutes.

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I asked her about the legal obstacles

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involved in a potential live streamed

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execution by the US.

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Well, I mean, I think this is very typical

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of Mr. Hegseth and it's more

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spectacle and show because

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there are many legal hurdles

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to get to that actual execution.

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Well, and what she means is

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somebody could file an appeal and some guy

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in a black robe with a wooden judge hammer.

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Now he gets to tell you what

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the law is.

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That's what that means and questions

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about whether it should be live streamed.

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Tell us about those legal hurdles.

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How could this be stopped by people

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who are opposed to it?

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There are a variety of appeals

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still available to Mr.

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Hassan and one that springs to mind

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in my capacity as professor of human

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rights law is that based on

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human dignity and the US

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Constitution requirement to protect

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that it seems that live streaming

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a public execution hasn't been done

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in a long time and that's okay.

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At the right to human dignity,

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the constitutional right.

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So let's just forget about

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the illegitimacy of the Constitution.

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But let's let's okay.

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Assume it's legitimate.

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Where did this notion of dignity

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as constitutional right?

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Where did this possibly come from?

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How many times does dignity appear

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in the Constitution?

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And the answer is zero.

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The famous dignity quote from

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the Supreme Court majority opinion

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in Obergefell v.

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Hodges are written by

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Justice Anthony Kennedy

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concludes they he's

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referring to gay men.

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This is the gay marriage case

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just a few years ago 2015.

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They asked for equal dignity

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in the eyes of the law.

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The Constitution grants them that right.

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Well, no, it doesn't.

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It didn't say that, but it does now.

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Why?

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Well, because this guy in a black robe

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with the wooden judge hammer said so.

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Okay, that's the law.

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All right.

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And notice that this was

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right here.

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The outcome a five to four ruling

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establishing the 14th Amendment guarantees

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same sex couples the fundamental right

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to marry nationwide.

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Okay.

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If out of the nine most learned, knowledgeable,

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legal scholars in the United States,

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five of them say this

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and four say that.

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Okay.

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There is no law.

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You have no rights and there is absolutely

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no law whatsoever.

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I mean, folks, and these are just people.

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They're just people.

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They eat and their kids go to college.

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They're just just like you.

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All right.

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They're just people and but we've somehow we have somehow

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accepted the notion that what they say is law.

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And I think it's time to really

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have a have a second thought about this.

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Here is the closest thing

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to actually getting it right in terms of a big official

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document.

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This is the Declaration of Independence.

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There's some little problems with it too.

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But I'm just going to this is very famous, but I'm going

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to a little bit from the second paragraph.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men

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are created equal men means mankind humans, right?

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They're endowed by their Creator with certain

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unalienable rights.

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I love that endowed by a creator.

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It could mean God, but it doesn't have to.

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It could mean nature.

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However, you conceive of it.

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The idea is you have rights just because you're

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a person just because you're a human being.

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And this is the part that got stood on its head

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by the Constitution.

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So often the Declaration and the Constitution are lumped

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together as if they're they say the same thing and they're

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really quite opposite.

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They're very, very opposite in their meaning.

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But of course, the second paragraph does say whenever

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any form of government becomes destructive of these ends,

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right to protect rights.

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It's the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.

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OK, and it's time in 2026 to take that seriously.

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Just think about the stuff that we're putting out there.

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These are just people.

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They don't care about you.

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They're they're they're the wickedest, weirdest, most depraved

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and psychopathic people imaginable.

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But imagine nice people.

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Oh, we've got an election coming up.

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Imagine nice people get it.

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That's the thought experiment.

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Imagine nice people get into power.

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It's still it's still power, right?

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It's absolutely still power.

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One of the most amazing things is that the.

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You know, they have, well, here are the rules.

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Here's the Constitution and we have to go on.

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Here's the law.

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We have a rule of law and blah, blah, blah, except no,

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they don't and the people familiar with the Constitution

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and then the in the law know that they don't nearly

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follow even those things like those things being

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authoritarian and illegitimate.

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Anyway, like the fact that they they pretend like there's

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this thing outside of us, we all have to revere and abide

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by except we have these judges, which will just make

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up the dumbest crap imaginable.

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My favorite is Wicked versus Philburn, which I'm sure

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you know, and plenty of people will be like, what?

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But some people, they, yeah, when the Supreme Court

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said, yeah, if you grow your own wheat and consume

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your own wheat on your own property, you can be

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regulated under the Interstate Commerce Clause,

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even though it wasn't commerce and it wasn't interstate.

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And here's our convoluted excuse because it had you

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not done that, you might have purchased wheat that

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might have crossed state lines.

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So you're having an effect on.

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So they make up these just bogus excuse and that's

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just sort of my favorite example.

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They've done it eight million different ways.

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You read the 9th and 10th amendment, almost nothing.

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The federal government does is actually authorized by

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the Constitution.

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So when both parties and all these politics way

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have to abide by the Constitution, none of them

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even believed that like the one thing that they

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want all this rhetoric to actually hit in people's

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brains is there's something outside of you that

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you have to defer to and we the high priests of

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statism will tell you what it is.

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It's it's just as ridiculous as like back

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when the Catholic Church is like, you don't get

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to like read the Bible.

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Just ask us what it says and what it says is give

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us money and you can go to heaven.

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It's like, I don't think Jesus that shut up.

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You're not allowed to read the Bible anyway.

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Right.

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You have these people who just make up whatever

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they want like that's nothing like why is there

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an ATF when there's a second amendment?

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They're totally shouldn't be.

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Oh, don't worry.

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We have God complex idiots behind big wooden

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desks and wearing black dresses who will concoct

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some bizarre excuse for why that's okay.

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And you're supposed to not even like you're supposed

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to defer to these magic rules, but then you're not

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supposed to read the rules or think they mean

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what they said.

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And the fact that so many Americans like they

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revere the Declaration of Independence like you just

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said and it's the thing I've talked about a lot

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where I used to sort of think the founders.

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They were one group of people with one group of

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thoughts and the Declaration of the Constitution.

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That was their book.

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It's like, no, the Constitution was a massive

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betrayal of what the Declaration of Independence

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said and of all the people who go around

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wave their flags on July 4th.

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Wave a flag that didn't exist.

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Right.

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July 4th.

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They're celebrating to make it extra weird.

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None of them believe in the Constitution and

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it's so weird that you can even when you have

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rules that specifically say government isn't

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allowed to do anything it's doing.

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Oh, but don't worry because government will

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decide what those rules mean.

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It shows that it's just a religious faith in

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state power and authority and literally nothing

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else like the rules don't matter.

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They'll give lip service to it when they like

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Democrats are like this is unconstitutional

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when it's something they don't want Republicans

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this is unconstitutional and they don't want

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either to give a crap about the Constitution ever.

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So it's not even just abstract rules that

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we're deferring to.

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It's those people pretend they defer to that

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and then they just make up whatever they want

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and I saw that in my own case with the federal

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extortion racket.

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They don't care about their own rules or

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their own laws.

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The entire purpose of that facade is to make

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the human livestock think that there are rules

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and the rule is you obey or we hurt you.

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That is the only rule anyone in power

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has ever cared about.

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One of my favorite pieces by you from a few

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years ago that I want to just recommend to

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everybody.

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I think the title is government is a religion.

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I think that's the right title.

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Look it up.

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Search it on YouTube because it's it's really

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really powerful and good and the point that

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Larkin makes and I agree with him.

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Government isn't like a religion.

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We're not saying that it has some of the same

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characteristics.

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No, no, no.

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It fully is a religion with a belief in a higher

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power with a holy scripture with the rituals.

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I mean every and this comes up in the law

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by the way.

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This has come up in certain cases where somebody

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wants to do something and because of religious

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reasons like there was a a peyote case, right?

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These government employees got fired.

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They wanted to take peyote and they wanted to

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say, well, it's part of my religion and the

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question came up.

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Well, what is a religion really?

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So there is this sort of legal definition that

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that comes up and it a hundred percent fits, you

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know, apply the rule to itself, right?

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This is a this is an important way of thinking.

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It's like self to self destructive kind of an

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argument self imploding as Malinu used to call

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us a self imploding argument.

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But so this these strict constitutionalists, right?

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Who want to say we need to get back to the

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Constitution, the limits on power that the

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Constitution specified.

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Honestly, I see none.

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Okay, it says they can tax.

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It says they can borrow.

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It says they can declare war.

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That right there is unlimited power and we can,

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as you just mentioned in the Wicked case,

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regulate interstate commerce, right?

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Where's the limit anywhere on any of that?

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I see none.

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I'll tell you what in my view did once upon a

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time limit the size and scope of the federal

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government.

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It's simply the economy, right?

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The economy was much, much smaller.

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We're producing much less stuff.

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So there was far less to tax.

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That's what limited these people.

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Not any stupid piece of paper, right?

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Not any piece of paper.

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Yeah.

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And just the mentality of the people, the idea,

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like if they had tried like a huge graduated

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income tax from the beginning, immediate revolution

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and like extermination of all the new government

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would have happened instantly.

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Right.

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It's the boiling frog thing.

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People get used to it.

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And now it's just it's so it's so laughably

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ridiculous that freedom let's celebrate freedom

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on July 4th.

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It's like compared to when these were colonies

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under a literal king.

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We aren't the tiniest fraction of free compared

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to the subjects of a king who were here a couple

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hundred years ago.

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Yeah.

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And it's freedom is one of those words.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that people don't even and you

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could just rattle off the facts like they

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literally had a revolution over a few percentage

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point taxes on T and pieces of paper.

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That's the stamp act.

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It's like we're not going to put up with this.

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And the fact that this is one of the weirdest

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things that the people go rah rah rah for like

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the Declaration of Independence, but don't

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in any way believe what it said.

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Like why do you still revere the thing having

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apparently never read it or at least you don't

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nearly believe in it?

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Because if you go rah rah rah for the Declaration

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of Independence, July 4th, you would say, oh,

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given that what we're under is literally a thousand

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times worse than what King George III ever even

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dreamed of.

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Right.

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Maybe we should be kicking somebody's butt by

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now like so they have this reverence for

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something without knowing what it is and it's

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literally just blind faith in the mythology

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they were taught and the high priests to

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pretend to represent it to the point that

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it literally it literally says when government

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is doing to you what your government is doing

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to you right now, alter or abolish it.

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And they're like, yeah, what's for dinner?

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Like, okay, did you alter or abolish it?

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No, we blindly obey and we hate anybody who

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doesn't say, well, why do you even pretend

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to care about that stuff pretend to care

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about the Bill of Rights 9th and 10th

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Amendment like nobody pays any attention to

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that in government.

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And well, that's that's a good question.

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So, I mean, that's it's somewhat sarcastic

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or rhetorical, but maybe I'll take that

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question seriously for a second.

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Like, because why why aren't you know,

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why do people accept it today?

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Do you think why?

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I mean, is it fear?

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Is it training?

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Is it indoctrination?

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Is it, you know, wanting to just get,

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you know, get along with the with what?

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What what's your take on why it really is

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today in 2026?

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Why is it literally and people think

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I'm joking when I say this and it's not

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and it's kind of sad.

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The battered citizenry syndrome as an analogy

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to battered spouse syndrome, the very sad

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situation where usually the woman is the abused

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one feeling so scared of the unknown

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and not knowing what to do that

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she puts up with being abused constantly

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and she'll often even make excuses for

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her abuser and it's really dang sad

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and it's a phenomenon that's been

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well studied for many, many, many years

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and it's just the fear of the unknown

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makes there be an attachment to something

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that you really shouldn't be attached to.

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It's a horrible like abuse of monstrosity.

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That is basically what I would say

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everyone in the country.

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It's everyone in the world.

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Everybody who believes in government

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who is so scared of the idea of not having

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a master that even when the master completely

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abuses them like ignores all the own rules

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of what he's supposed to do ignores

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the Constitution ignores his own laws

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even like makes up a law and then constantly

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ignores it but it really is this deep

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psychological enslavement that people

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have been indoctrinated into where

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the idea of you're not the boss of me.

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You're just some lying political scumbags.

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I don't care what you think

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and you don't have the right to control me.

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That is so far away from what most people

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are capable of thinking about

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and even if it sounds like a tangent

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anybody who hasn't read obedience to authority

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by Dr. Stanley Milgram go read that

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and you'll see that this really is

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religious indoctrination to the point

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where almost everybody not almost everybody

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a majority of people would rather

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do something they know harms

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innocent people than disobey

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a perceived authority.

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That's just the reality of where our society

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is and so when people look at

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hey you weren't you guys weren't supposed

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like all like all the Democrats are like

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look at this police abuse.

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This is horrible.

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We hate it.

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Okay.

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How about disobeying?

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Resist.

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No, we need to petition and vote

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for a new master.

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It's literally like slaves who are like

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this is unfair.

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Well then rise up or run away or something.

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Well, no, no, we would never do that.

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We're going to beg the master to please

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be a little bit nicer and it's all the way

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mental enslavement and it's pathetic to watch

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and the good news is if people can get

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over their mental enslavement

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the ruling class doesn't have any power.

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You don't even need a revolution.

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You just ignore them.

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If everyone understood this

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but because so many people have been

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trained like dogs to bow to authority.

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The fact that the authority breaks its

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own rules and is abusive and dishonest

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and constantly gets caught doing

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profoundly evil crap.

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Like the Epstein stuff.

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Right.

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You think if that came out about

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anybody who didn't wield political power

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they wouldn't be hanging from a tree

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or in a wood chip or somewhere.

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It's like you did what?

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But it's like, oh, we're all outraged.

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Okay.

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Now what?

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Now we're going to ask somebody in power

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to do something about it.

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Please release the Epstein files.

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Please.

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Thank you.

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They are the people like what they're

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the ones who did it.

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Why are you asking the ones

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who did it to punish themselves?

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Yeah, we had no reason to believe

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he's even dead but whatever, you know.

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Yeah, that too.

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But the fact that so many people

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it shows the training

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and it is just religious indoctrination

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even when we're so horribly outraged

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at what those people did.

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Are you going to do something

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like if your neighbor did that?

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Right.

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Would you just go, oh well bummer

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I guess I can't do anything

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or would you go like if I have kids

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and you're my neighbor

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and you do that sort of thing.

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You're going to suddenly go missing.

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Whatever people would feel just by doing.

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Absolutely.

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You know, and you mentioned a minute ago

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the Milgram experiment.

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So if you don't know you,

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I know you know, of course,

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don't know what the Milgram experiments

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were or what they showed.

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Let's just digress for a half a second

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because I think it's very important.

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Milgram was a scientist

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and he was doing a study

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and he met at his university

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or wherever it was

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and he said to Pete

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to the experimental subjects

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I'm studying learning

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and we're going to put one person

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in a room with an electric shock device

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and then we're going to put another person

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in a different room

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and you can see them

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through the window

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and we want to have you

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shock them

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and we want to measure the effect

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that it has on their ability to learn.

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But in fact,

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what the study was really about

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was obedience to authority.

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There was no real shocking

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but the person

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who was pushing the shock button

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believed that there was

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and the person would would writhe in pain

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and they would have to turn up the intensity

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of the shock and all of that

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and they would get to this point

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where the person would say

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I don't want to do that.

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I'm hurting the other person.

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I don't want to do this

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and the man,

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the authority figure

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in the nice white coat would say

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I will assume complete responsibility.

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I'm telling you

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shock that person.

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Shock them now.

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We have to do this.

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You have to do it.

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Blah, blah, blah, right.

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And most of the people

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an overwhelming majority of people

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went against their own conscience

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and shocked the other other person.

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And it's it's really

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it says something really

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I think really, really important about humans.

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Yeah, and I highly recommend

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that people read that whole book

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because there's so many things in it

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that are like the first overall conclusion

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which like traumatize everybody

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including Milgram himself at the time.

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We're like, whoa, we did not expect it

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to go that badly

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that like almost everybody

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will do what they think is causing severe pain

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or maybe life threatening,

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you know, whatever on an innocent subject.

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But there are a lot of little things in there

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that if you actually study it like a scientist,

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you're like, this is kind of amazing.

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One thing that jumped out to me

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is so many people

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who are there like

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obediently zapping a complete stranger

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or think they are

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we're like trembling,

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sometimes crying,

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sometimes begging to be allowed to stop.

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Like, do we have to keep doing this?

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Yeah, all you have to do is

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don't press the button, dumbass.

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Right.

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But the fact that people are so indoctrinated

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they were in Cape like

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so it shows their cut

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they weren't like, oh, this is fun.

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They were like, this is horrible.

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I'm hurting an innocent people.

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Yes, you are hurting an innocent person

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or you think you are.

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All you had to do is

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don't do that.

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There wasn't even a thread of

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we're going to punish you if you don't.

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It's just an authority figure

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saying the experiment must continue.

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That was the exact line

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they were supposed to use

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whenever the person would hesitate.

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But it shows

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they were just trained like dogs.

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Like, well, I was hit on my nose

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with magazine every time

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I pooped on the rug.

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So I'm scared of pooping on the rug.

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Like, I've been trained

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to think that disobeying

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anybody in a position of authority

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is some horrible evil.

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So much so

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that even when I know

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something is obviously terribly wrong.

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I will do it anyway

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because I was trained to do that.

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And that's, you know,

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that's why, you know,

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the thing I harp on constantly

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is the belief in authority

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because that is the linchpin.

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That is the source

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of all of the power

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of the sociopaths in the world

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that the people feel obligated to obey.

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And it's why something like,

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you know, the Epstein monstrosity

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can come out

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and people just scream

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for government to do something.

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You don't need to look into this.

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They're the ones who did it,

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dumbass.

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Like, why do you think

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they're going to fix it?

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And well, we can't,

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we can't lift a finger

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against the master

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and the overseer.

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We have to ask a different master

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to please come into office.

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Like, they did it too.

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All the masters who have ever been there,

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they're part of this.

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And but yeah,

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I think understanding

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that the Milgram experiments

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shows almost the entire problem

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and a thing that people often go like,

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what is when I say

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the problem isn't in Washington, D.C.

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Like, yeah, lying psychopaths are there.

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Some totally nasty people.

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The problem is between the ears

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of well, several billion people.

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You're going to include the whole world

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who believe that authority is real

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because without that,

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those psychopaths would have no power.

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And that's what it's what you see today.

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That's what you call the most dangerous superstition.

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And that's what it is.

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It's a superstition

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and it exists in your mind.

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The state exists in your mind only.

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Okay.

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Washington, D.C.

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is a place

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and there's some buildings there

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and they have cars and whatever.

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But the federal government,

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the California government,

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whatever government,

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the Israeli government,

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the state,

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it does not exist.

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It's not a thing.

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It's not any certain color.

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You can't tell me how big it is

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or what its shape is.

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It's an abstract concept.

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And just like any other abstract concept,

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it's in your mind.

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And we know what you're talking about

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when you talk about the state.

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But just like any other set of ideas,

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you can lose those ideas.

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You really can.

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You absolutely can change your mind

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and it's as simple as that.

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It's not easy.

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I'm not saying it's easy,

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but it is simple.

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And it's the difference between simple and easy,

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but it truly is its time.

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It's time for you

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and a billion other people

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to just rethink this.

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Just think about it

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in the simple terms that we're trying to explain to you.

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And when you get into any of this gobbledygook

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and this terminology and stuff,

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it's not that complicated.

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It really is not.

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Let me just,

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I thought of something a second ago.

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I know I giggle and I laugh

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and so do you occasionally, Larkin,

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but I'll speak only for myself.

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I know we're talking about serious stuff.

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You know, executions and murder and bad,

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really bad stuff.

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I don't mean to make light of it.

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I do laugh and I have to laugh.

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It's my coping mechanism.

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Okay.

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I know Larkin's been through his legal ordeal.

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So have I

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and talk a lot about that.

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I'm going through it with clients

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verily as we speak.

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And it's a horrible and nasty,

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but I and and some clients

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who become friends of mine.

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We laugh at this stuff.

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We laugh to keep from crying.

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And so I'm not trying to make laugh,

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but it is make light.

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But yeah, it's it's kind of a kind of a coping coping mechanism

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to develop a really twisted sense of humor about this stuff

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that I think is is necessary for survival.

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There's a lot of times in years past.

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I'm doing great now in years past.

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I was not doing so so good because of my situation.

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And learning to laugh at really ugly, brutal stuff

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is is a part of why I'm sitting here today.

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So yeah, any any more thoughts?

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Let me read a little bit from this.

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Let's see if it triggers any thoughts.

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Public execution.

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Does it deter or encourage?

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Okay.

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Well, maybe could be a little above deterrence evidence.

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Major research reviews have not established

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that capital punishment deters homicide

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more than alternative punishments.

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No direct proof that live streaming as deterrence.

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Well, I maybe I guess there've been live streamed

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beheadings and stuff.

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Maybe I don't know.

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Brutalization hypothesis.

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Some studies by the way is from AI, right?

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So a brutalization hypothesis.

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Some studies find post execution increases in violence,

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but the evidence is disputed and does not prove

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a live stream would cause attacks.

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Okay.

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Well, they don't.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Terrorism specific concern, martyrdom narratives,

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recruitment footage, retaliation and propaganda

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can make a public can make publicity a reward

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rather than a threat.

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Yep.

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I'm sure some people think that way.

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So question if the attacker expects or welcomes death.

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Whom is a public execution meant to frighten?

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Yeah.

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Well, that's pretty good question.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And that the whole the whole spectrum like the reason

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they want it is to have people hate some vague enemy

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that we can have a war with like Hexeth and Trump

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are just puppets of the machine.

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But the military industrial complex, the war machine,

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whatever you want to call it.

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What it wants is the war.

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So the idea that don't worry if we do this,

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that'll stop anybody from fighting us

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and then there won't be any war.

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Like that isn't their goal.

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They're trying to make people hate each other.

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Like if they could have they would love it

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if they can do a public execution and have a thousand

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more people on the other side of the world say,

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I'm going to go try to kill these psychos too.

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Like that's what they're going for.

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And again, that's something that most people thing

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I've often talked about is most people project their own

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decency where it doesn't belong.

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Like they look at government and they think,

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well, they must mean.

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Well, they wouldn't like try to murder people.

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They wouldn't like try to create an unnecessary war.

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Yeah, they would.

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If you haven't read Operation Northwoods,

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that's a fine little, you know,

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glimpse of the mentality of the absolute psychopaths

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who control the military who are not at all above

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committing terrorism, including against Americans

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to start a completely unnecessary war.

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But if people don't even know that there are

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people like that, like they don't grasp

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how sociopaths and psychopaths function

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because most of us can't relate.

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Like I can't relate, but I make myself learn about it

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to go, yeah, there are some people who do that.

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Then like most of the people going rah,

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rah, rah for for mango Mussolini are probably thinking,

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yeah, those scary mean terrorists,

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they want to destroy our way of life.

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No, the scary mean terrorists are the ones you voted

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for who absolutely want to destroy your way of life

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by creating perpetual war.

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And the same is true of parasites all over the world

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creating conflicts.

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But the fact that that so many people will cheer

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for an authoritarian solution to a non-existent problem

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that the politicians either made up or fabricated

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or created on purpose.

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And the fact that people again can feel good

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about cheering for something that is creating war

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is just it's it's why like you said,

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yeah, trying to laugh and like I'll point out

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it took me 20 years before I got around to finally recording

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the audio book of kicking the dragon my adventures

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with a federal extortion racket because it was traumatic

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getting raided and imprisoned for something they all

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knew I didn't do and great fun like that.

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But it's so you know when you've got and when when

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when your daughter is little at the time

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and I can imagine I know I have the experience

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of having to write law papers in my own case

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where every paper that I would write you're reliving

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some part of that just that that or and what's going

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I was completely in the right in all of this

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and I get into the details maybe some other day.

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But yeah, reliving that but the but learning

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learning to laugh in spite of crying.

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Yeah, I think that's something we all need to do.

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Maybe it's something we need to think about.

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The good news for me is that it doesn't because it was

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it's easy to picture government is this massive

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all powerful thing we're never going to defeat it

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and people don't understand people are stupid

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and it all depends on the people feeling an obligation

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to obey and believing in authority

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and that's what actually makes me optimistic

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is like even you don't have to be a rocket

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scientist to understand.

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Oh, that guy is just a guy.

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Yeah, he has a badge in his weird costume.

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He's still just a guy.

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You don't have rice.

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We don't have like you don't have to be

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a genius to be able to grasp that you do need to be

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un indoctrinated which takes time and effort

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and you have to think about some stuff.

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But the fact that the big evil Empire all of its

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power comes from duped decent people.

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That's sort of good news because if they become

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unduped that's the end.

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We're not giving them power anymore and there's

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an awesome talk actually included a bit in the

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the event I did up in Sedona recently by Etienne

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de la Boatie where he talks about like where do

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you think your oppressor got all his power?

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Like you're you're oppressing yourselves.

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Where do you think he got all the eyes to spy on you

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if he's not barring them from you and it goes on

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and on it's the one that ends with I don't ask

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you to lay hands on the tyrant and topple him

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over stop supporting him and watch him like

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a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled

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away fall and crash under his own weight and coming

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to the realization that there is no evil and there's

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no death star that you have to like line it up

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just right to blow it up.

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There's just a belief in people's minds that

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if they realize oh we're not beholden to those

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psychos that one everyone realizes that we won

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and that's all it takes.

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Yeah, I know.

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So you're you got your screen back.

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Yeah, one of your examples from your book that's

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just great is like when you get to the age

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that you stop believing in Santa Claus,

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you do not organize some mission to go to the

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North Pole and like wipe out the toy factory

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and take all of the elves prisoner or whatever it is.

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It's just you stop believing in it.

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That's all you stop believing in it.

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Now that's really truly all that we have to do

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and in terms of just making the state disappear.

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Yes, they have guns and bombs.

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Yes, they have surveillance.

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Yes, they in fact, what's the quote recently?

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You know, the only thing that George Orwell

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didn't predict is that we'd all buy the cameras

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ourselves and our biggest fear would be that

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nobody's watching, right?

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So yeah, it's not like there's nothing to think

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about, but that's exactly correct.

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Okay, the beginning and the end of it is in your

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mind.

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Okay, it's between your ears.

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It's right behind your own eyes.

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That's where the boogeyman lives.

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Like like Alfred Hitchcock very, very famous filmmaker

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from decades ago made thrillers and horror movies

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of the time, but he was famous for what he did

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not show you on the screen because he knew that

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the imagination of the audience was very, very

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powerful and he would allow you the audience to imagine

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all this horrible stuff.

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The same thing is going on.

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You most of what goes on is in your imagination.

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It truly really is and their masters of that.

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They're really good writers of all of that.

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They're really, really good at it.

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But recognize it for what it is.

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Yeah, Bernie and my new book Unbound is entirely

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about people getting their brain out from under

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the tentacles and control of lying scumbags

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so that you actually own yourself and control

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control your own mind and brain and perceptions

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and what you believe.

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And that really is the entire solution.

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We don't have to make a population of nasty

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horrible people into good people like we did.

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I'd be running for the hills.

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So good luck with that.

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Kicking the dragon and Unbound.

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I definitely want to check both of those outs.

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I didn't mean to interrupt you.

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What were you saying?

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Yeah, so just the fact that people basically

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claiming ownership of themselves again in their

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own brain, that is the entire solution.

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And that's like that makes me really dang optimistic

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because it isn't we live in a world of people

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who individually are like malicious and nasty

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horrible people.

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The fact that the state has to so often

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hijack and distort and mangle people's good intentions

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show that people have good intentions.

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And if you can keep their good intentions and give

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up the indoctrination like that fixes 99% of

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problems in the world.

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Yeah, they'll still be disputes and they'll be

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little problems to deal with and they'll be

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moral questions and stuff like that.

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But right now the primary problem isn't the evil

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empire.

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It's the people who feel obligated to obey the

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evil empire.

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Right.

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And when that changes, the world changes.

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Right on.

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And let me plug my book not finished yet, but it's

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called Gender Affirming Care, the New Lobotomy.

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Been working on it for often on for a couple

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of years.

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It's going to be massive.

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Lots and lots of citations and links that

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you can click on for documents and links

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that you can click on actually embedded videos, all

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kinds of stuff.

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The New Lobotomy we're going to start working real

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real hard to finish that up.

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So it's been another awesome experience Larkin.

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This was number two.

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We're going to do it once a week smashing the

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Overton window.

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Thank you very much and tune in again next time.

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We'll see you everybody.