It starts with a simple question and ends in objective reality.
Through our journey from there to here, we find one another and ourselves.
And as the next 24 hours breaks free from our last, we gaze onward in reflection of the day.
Welcome to the daily wrap up Friday, March 13, 2026.
Thank you for joining me today.
Hey, Friday the 13th.
Well, I got a special co-host joining me today to discuss some Epstein smuggling network
conversation that I'm very excited to get to talk about some Iran conversation Marines
deployed, but a lot to get to with Whitney Web here to discuss the in depth part of
all of it.
How are you?
Good to have you back.
Hey, doing good, Ryan.
I, your intro is cool.
Oh, thank you.
I had a really, you know, I really do want to just shout.
He doesn't want me to say his name.
He's just a fan, like, you know, a follower like the rest, but reached out and said he
does editing.
And, you know, he's, I may, he's made the I may one.
He's very talented.
And it's just honored to have somebody like that who cares about the show.
But yeah, I love that new intro.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm so glad to have you back on.
There's, you know, there's so many different things we can get into.
One thing I wanted to start with was announcing something that we are going
to be doing on limited hangout.
And so I didn't know if you wanted to give out, you know, discuss that.
Yeah, well, members of unlimited hangout already know, but we're going to
be moving a little more into video because unfortunately a lot of people
don't read as much.
Yeah.
So anyway, not only am I going to be doing a video show for people that
don't want to read my articles.
It's sad, but true.
I don't know.
Just reality, I guess.
But also you, Ryan, along with Derek Brows of the conscious resistance
will be doing a show for unlimited hangout as well.
And we'll have more to say about that in the next few weeks.
I'm looking forward to it too.
It'll be, you know, as I kind of a reevaluation review of some of the
written form articles, which I think is very important because it's
sad that people don't read as much.
But I also think it's, it's, there's a lot of people out there.
Even though they do read, it's about digesting the information.
And you hear this as well.
Like, you know, because there's so much information, I get the same
criticism or rather just, you know, statement about the work that I do
on these long form shows where it's difficult people to absorb it all.
So this will be a way to sort of help people try to digest the
different important parts and go through it all.
So I'm really looking forward to it.
Let's sort of be a good show.
Nice.
Well, let's start with one thing that I wanted to kind of just discuss
and address sort of like I just sat in the table for this point.
There's so many other angles we could tie into it.
But before the selection process, we had the really, as we've
discussed many times already, kind of the foundation of why
the IMA was started as you kind of came to me and say, you saw
the, what was building and, you know, kind of developed into
this idea of something that we needed to come together to,
to, I guess, fight against, resist and, you know, whatever
we saw coming.
And that was just about nonpartisan objective coverage.
And ultimately it became called, it became labeled blackpilled
or purity test and all this.
Now, all this time later, almost every single thing that we
were worried about discussing is where we are.
And it's not about necessarily going, we, you know, Victor
lap point.
It's just about acknowledging that one, that this
stuff was easy to see then.
And it's about recognizing who didn't really call that
out.
And so one thing I wanted to highlight was a tweet that
you had shared back then.
It's interesting time.
He was just recently on Tucker Carlson, as I understand it.
You wrote in 2024, one thing I've learned this election cycle
is that a lot of people who have claimed to be anarchists
or anti-states, excuse me, were really just waiting for
the right king to come along.
And Brett Weinstein says, you're not even close.
Interesting.
Just what are your thoughts about that and where we
are now?
Well, I mean, you could pull up more than one
Brett Weinstein tweet, shitting on me for not
joining the emotional wave of Hopium that brought
Trump to when the, as you called it, the selection
process in 2024.
And yet to piggyback off of the point you brought up
about the IMA, I noticed that those narratives were
getting really pervasive and a lot of the attacks
about reason to political arguments such as Trump
was in power previously.
Perhaps we should go back and see what he did when
he was office last time because he's likely to repeat
those things because also in the previous, that,
that election before his first term, he made many
campaign promises that he did not keep.
Thus, it's very possible that he may not keep them
again and that he will instead repeat or expand
on the actions he did in his first term, which
included, for example, try and start a war with
Iran by blowing up Kassim Soleimani when he was
on a diplomatic mission in another country.
So, oh, and allegedly that was, you know, for
partially motivated by religious reasons on the
part of Kushner and also Mike Pompeo and Mike
Pence and that crowd that was around Trump in the
first administration.
Have times really changed?
I don't know.
So anyway, I considered that a rational argument
and a call to caution about writing on this,
this emotional wave of Hopium that was very
similar to what happened back when Obama was elected
for the left.
It was the right-leaning version of that and also
bringing in independents who were interested in
the promises of the Make America Healthy Again
movement and trying to fold them into this
coalition.
And so, you know, honestly what I've noticed,
and there were a few people that noticed this
why it was happening, is that during the COVID
era, you had a lot of quote, unquote,
dissidents pop up who had like Brett Weinstein
initially advocated for mask wearing or in the
case of people like Michael Schellenberger advocated
hysterically for lockdowns and then they get
promoted as these sort of dissident figures
in the immediate, you know, after 2020,
I guess, and that interim and are sort of
elevated and then they push everyone into
voting for Trump.
And a lot of, and there were terrible signs,
I think, of this push in the sense that it was
allowing the neoconservatives to rebrand because
you had neoconservatives like notorious neocons
like Frank Gaffney, for example,
you know, became a stop vaccine passport guy
toward the end of COVID.
And so I think it's not a coincidence that these
things were happening and that they were trying
to seep their way into these movements.
And then, you know, the ultimate goal was to direct
people towards Trump who claims not to be a neocon
but quite clearly is a neocon.
I mean, it couldn't be more obvious.
And so a lot of commentators, I think, you know,
there's obviously people who were paid,
but I think there's people that were really
emotionally attached to the outcome they wanted
to see and can't admit they were wrong.
You have people in that camp that will continue
inventing and spinning, you know, just spinning yarn
to never be wrong about anything.
You know, I call it the, well, it's the Tom DeLongo model.
But there's a lot of other people that have sort of
taken that in different ways and refused to admit
that they were ever wrong about anything.
And I think Brett Weinstein probably falls
in that category.
He and Walter Kern basically dog piled me on Twitter
complaining that I didn't like Trump
and didn't see that, you know, this belief
that it was going to be some sort of like superhero
riding in and saving civilization
and immediately erasing all of our problems.
Frankly, feeding that narrative to your followers
was insanely detached from reality.
And you should take some heat for that
because it frankly, it was irresponsible
of you to promote it.
And the fact that, you know, Brett Weinstein,
I mean, you can see pictures of him around
with like the bandana on his face.
This is how I wear my mask and blah, blah, blah.
And early COVID, you know, these are people
that when the crisis hits and things are very,
you know, events come fast and heavy.
I don't think you can turn to these people
for a rational analysis of what's going on
because they're very easily taken by emotional,
the emotional propaganda and marketing of these events.
And so he's done that, he did that with COVID.
And then pivoted later when it was convenient
and in some cases fashionable to do so
in branding yourself as quote unquote anti-establishment
and then, you know, you funnel people towards Trump.
And, you know, here we are.
And so, you know, maybe you have buyers remorse now
like you did about coding master and COVID.
But, you know, I don't know.
I think people should wisen up and follow people
like those of us in the IMA and others beyond that
who have not fallen for those traps.
And I think what we were talking about beforehand,
which is an important point to add right there,
is that, like you rightly pointed out,
a lot of these people came in,
and I should state before I even say this,
that I'm all for people changing their minds,
becoming aware of something.
No matter how bad a track record,
genuinely be seeing a thing and addressing the truth.
We all should be for that.
Yeah, sorry.
I didn't mean to say that that's bad,
just that he's been, he was increasingly,
he was very arrogant about...
You didn't at all.
I'm just spitting out my point.
You framed that very well.
My point is that, and we both agree,
we all want that to happen.
The difference here is that during the COVID-19 timeframe,
there was a lot of, you know, just,
it was obvious there were people
that were either buying it or selling the lie
and at the end, a lot of those people came around
to start telling what we always were saying.
Now again, the point is,
some of them may have just seen it.
That's good.
The difference is, as you pointed out,
when there came like the next big thing we're involved with,
let's say Trump in the selection process,
those people immediately fell back in
and started pushing for the mainstream narrative.
So now again, and this is the point I'm getting to,
we were talking before,
suddenly we have this new conversation with Iran and Israel,
and these, as you were highlighting,
some of the same figures
are suddenly starting to do the same thing.
Now, when it's difficult,
now is the time.
Well, they're jumping ship
because it could threaten the, you know,
their audience numbers at this point.
And this is the bigger point,
is that these people,
whether it's just profiteering
or trying to promote their own show,
why suddenly do this when it's in their interest,
not when it's most important to call it out
and you were saying you see this happen.
Yeah.
Well, I think the people
that were most motivated about audience,
you could really see that during the 2024 campaigns
because there was this emotional wave
and people that were critical of it,
like you and myself and others,
were referred to as blackpilled
and basically negative Nancy's.
Don't listen to them.
They'll make you feel sad and bad.
Listen to us.
We'll make you feel good
with all these false promises
of how Trump's going to come in
and be daddy government
and save everything for you.
And let's, let's shoo away
all those negative Nancy's.
We don't need them here.
I mean, it's just,
I mean, it's kind of ridiculous on it.
It was an insidious frankly
because people during COVID,
a lot of those audiences really saw
that something was seriously wrong
and instead of doing anything
that could have changed that,
they were told the only way to change that
is in the ballot box
between two political parties
that are fundamentally controlled
by the same forces
and that that is the only way
to resolve things.
And anyone that says,
offers any other solutions
is a blackpilled nincompoop
and they need to go be shut in the closet.
I mean, it was just ridiculous.
And clearly, you know,
the main point overall, I think,
is that there are people
that do this maliciously, right?
They intentionally side up next to something
that people are already starting to see
after the difficult part is over.
You know, we were the ones
chopping it down a lot of people, you know,
out there with the machete
hacking down the hard parts
and they step over the top and go,
hey, you know, the big story.
And that happens every time.
And it's...
I mean, in that period of time,
I had tons of people take my work.
Yeah, exactly.
And you basically pair bonded themselves
with my work or my books
to promote themselves
and build trust with an audience.
And then because I wasn't directing
people towards Trump,
they directed people towards Trump.
Right.
And, you know,
and the reason this is important
not just to recognize
that there are people that, you know,
that don't fail to acknowledge
their past mistakes
or continue to do that,
but it's where we are now, right?
Because now we're in this position
where some of those same people
are very hypercritical of Trump.
And, you know, maybe genuinely, maybe not,
but the point is to recognize
where we are now
as this drifts into another war.
All the problems with our MAHA
or MAGA are being challenged.
And this is important to see
because I believe
all of this is coming together
for a very clear purpose.
But on that general idea,
where do you feel like
a lot of this is going?
Is this just another administration profiteering?
Or do you feel there's a larger agenda
in kind of what's happening right now?
You mean where the Trump administration
is taking us?
Well, I think the best summary of it
is to look at
the big tech Silicon Valley oligarchs
that installed themselves
in very insidious ways
in the levers of power
via this administration.
And probably the best thing
you can do to learn about them
is to buy Ian Davis's new book,
The Technocratic Dark State,
or borrow a copy
from someone else who bought it.
It is the best, most forensic breakdown
of those people
and what their interests are
and what they are doing.
And you can read
some of Ian Davis's articles
about aspects of that.
For example, he did
an amazing investigation
into the city states,
sort of this idea
of the network state
and all of that
and how it's just as bad
as the globalist global governance
that a lot of people
in right-leaning
conspiracy, quote-unquote,
conspiracy world
are worried about, you know,
it's that on steroids
and is being marketed
to those people as the solution.
And a lot of these people
are overt transhumanists.
I mean, they call themselves
techno-optimists.
Again, sort of a play
on that same thing
we were just talking about
in the Trump era
where like we're the optimist
and avoid the negative Nazis
feel good with us.
They'll just make you feel bad.
And it's all about feeling,
not about facts.
Yeah, so, I mean,
there's obviously a lot
of other agendas at play too,
but I think obviously
it's pretty clear
that in the Trump administration
there's going to be
some type of big switcheroo
economically.
And we will see the rise of,
you know, stablecoins,
the Bitcoin dollar system
as laid out by Mark Goodwin
back in 2021.
But I mean, that has definitely
played out.
And so I think, you know,
a lot of that stuff
with digital currency
is going to advance
and then we're going to be
herded further
into sort of this techno feudal reality.
And then at the same time
you have, you know,
these other aspects
of the Trump administration
at work that have, you know,
this very deep set, you know,
feeling about eschatology.
Like, you know,
there's an overlap actually
if you look at people
like Peter Thiel,
who's, you know,
the person who basically
created JD Vance in a lab.
And his obsession
with the Antichrist
and all of this stuff,
a lot of these people
are obsessed with
in times things.
There's been plenty
of people pointing out recently
how this has influenced
likely the current war
with Iran.
So, you know,
there's obviously
a lot of different angles
to talk about.
But basically, you know,
this is not fighting
against global governance
and global tyranny.
This is going to be
a furtherance of the same thing
that every administration,
whether Democratic
or Republican,
has advanced since 9-11.
And obviously before that too,
but it's, they sped it up.
You know, the type of
gradualism that they practice
increased significantly
after that point.
And the goal was to create,
you know, an AI-powered
surveillance state
that is authoritarian
in nature and neofedal
economically.
And the vast majority of us
are meant to be serfs.
Or rather, if you want to
easily, you all know
a Harari phrasing,
we will become the exploited
because it's better
than being expendable.
So, you know,
Trump works for bankers,
big surprise.
They all work for bankers
and these banker,
you know, cronies,
what they do is
they steal your money
and they use your tax dollars
to build your prison.
So, I mean, that's,
I don't really anticipate
seeing anything beyond that
at this point.
And so people that have been
going back, looking either
at my work on Epstein
or work on other stuff
and being like,
wow, she was so early.
Like, okay, if you thought,
if I have this track record now,
of like working for 10 years
and I've been early
on multiple big stories,
maybe you should look
at what I'm talking about now.
And like, not just me,
obviously, but what a lot
of people are talking
about now that we're right
on a lot of those things, too.
Yeah.
Well, on that point,
and you know, this is
something that I see
connected to a lot of this.
As you mentioned,
the network state agenda
and you know,
the Pernumals Capital
Funding Mechanism,
do you see what you just
described as the great reset
or maybe just a new...
There's a lot of different ways
to phrase it.
So, you know,
there's been catchphrases
that have been used
to sum this up.
The great reset,
build back better,
and I don't know,
there's been several phrases
that were cooked up in PR labs
that have been thrown around
and have become infamous
at their times
and then forgotten about
later.
But basically, I mean...
Same agenda?
Yeah, I would argue that
because I mean,
what was the great reset
nominally about
per the World Economic Forum?
It was about leading the world
into the fourth industrial revolution,
which is overtly transhumanist.
It's overtly powered by AI
and it's overtly surveillance
state centric
to keep us safe.
I just think that's really important
for the average,
like partisan,
you know,
in the partisan conversation,
there's a lot of people
that I think, in my opinion,
are starting to see
some of these bigger questions
that are making them question
this system.
But there's still
to identify as sort of
a partisan perspective.
And I think that's important
to understand
is that it's not one side
of the other,
but the entirety of our government,
if not way beyond that,
that's actually trying to
initiate this through
the partisan angle.
And as always,
they use the other side
to convince you
that this is somehow
the answer to the other.
So, you know,
I see the same way.
Oh, yeah.
They always do that.
I mean,
please figure out
that ping pong is happening
and that we need
to get out of the,
you know,
the pinball machine
or whatever
and stop being flung around.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
We have to do something different
at some point
or this will just keep happening
and then things will just
get progressively worse.
And we'll be arguing
about, you know,
whether Brett Weinstein
was right in 2028 or not
or something.
Well, you know,
the problem,
the obvious point
and like Catherine
control great discussion
same as yourself is that
this this becomes
the point to
make that never
possible again.
You know,
a new, you know,
reimagining our society.
So we're in a place
where that's like
functionally not even possible
anymore with the way that's
designed.
And not a new opinion,
but it's important to think
about where that's going
because I believe it's a
reaction to people
waking up to a lot of the stuff
in ways that I've
never at least levels
to which I've never
seen before in my opinion.
You know,
and I think that's a lot
because of Epstein
and the,
and the awareness around that.
So let's,
let's touch on that
and include that with your
recent part three of a good
series.
This article,
first friends how Andrew
Barkas and
Emirati Sultan
helped Epstein
build a smugglers
paradise.
And so this
for just any
general points on that
connection between like
work,
but let's get into this
and tell people why this
is a connection to the
larger point about Epstein
and your doctor.
Sorry,
you wanted me to
make a point about
something aside from the
article.
If you wanted to
make a comment about
something outside that
article in relation to
what we were just
saying, go ahead.
Otherwise,
let's, let's get into.
yeah.
So just like there's
there was this effort in
2024 to like build trust
and then misdirect.
I mean,
people need to be
very aware that
that can easily happen
again,
especially with all of the
eyeballs
on,
you know,
the Epstein case.
Once again,
there have obviously
been people as there's
been this new wave
of interest in the
case.
There have been
experts that have
popped up
that, you know,
have now built
followings around
Epstein material,
even though previously
not covering the
case.
And that's not to say
that new people can't
crop up and do a good
job.
My point is pay
attention to those
people and where they
try and leave you
into what solutions
they try and
leave you and
think critically
because that
is always in short
supply in the
world today.
And we should
all practice
more of it.
Well,
quick question
before we get to
the article then
just on the general
flow, I mean,
how do you
do you feel like this
was a net positive
with what's happened?
I mean,
I think it's clear that
they're obviously dragging
their feet and hiding
things.
That's my opinion,
but do you think it
was a net positive
what they've done so far
through Trump administration?
Even how the
Trump administration has
handled the releases.
I mean,
just say clearly
the information,
whether they wanted it
to or not,
that has come out.
Well,
they were legally
required to release
some of it.
So yeah,
they released some.
It's based largely
around a single
email address,
JEE vacation
at gmail.com.
And I believe
drop site news,
which is mostly
former intercept
writers,
as I understand it,
received Epstein
emails from a
separate address that
they reported on
at the end of last
year.
So as far as the
US government
is concerned,
it's been one
email address.
Obviously Epstein
had several.
And I think
because I mean,
JEE vacation,
it's pretty clear that
most of these emails,
he,
he used that email
address mainly when
he was present in the
US VI
in the US
Virgin Islands,
which was his primary
base after 2009.
But obviously
before then it was
not.
So
it probably won't have
the full extent
of communications
from that
previous point
in time.
And so obviously
in that case the focus
is mostly going to be
on emails from 2009
up until
2019.
So a 10 year
window
into Epstein's
activities.
Obviously not
all of them
because there's been
lots of redactions
and even
mainstream outlets
like Britain's
Channel 4,
they're like,
this is 2%
of what the
US government has
on Epstein.
So if British
media is,
I mean,
it's just like
they're obviously
not going to release
all of the files.
I mean, you remember
that ridiculous op
they did
with the people
coming out with the binders
and being like,
we have the documents.
And it's
literally stuff that
they had like already
released years prior.
You know,
they didn't,
they didn't want to release
all of it,
but they released some of it
and it's very clear
from the redactions
they were trying to cover
up for powerful people.
So one of those
powerful people
who was redacted
was sort of
found out
because it was
this,
this person who
Epstein emailed
and he was like,
where are you?
Are you okay?
I loved the torture
video.
And then
people were like,
why is the person
who sent the torture
video to Epstein's
name redacted?
And then
Thomas Massey goes
and finds out
that it's a sultan.
Right.
And then so
then it was,
you know,
Todd Blanche,
his deputy attorney general
had to basically say,
oh, it was this guy
who's sultan
Ben Suleim.
He's the,
he was the long time
head of
Dubai ports world,
which later became
Dubai world.
But before that
he was managing
all of the
special economic zones
in the UAE
and their port system
which in the 1980s
in particular
when he was
coinciding with
when he became
chair of their
biggest SEZ port
in free trade zone
became a hotbed
for illegal smuggling
including
of weapons and
diamonds
and all sorts of things.
And so
if you're familiar
with my work on Epstein
and I've read
my books
he was
Epstein was
you know,
started off his
his entrance
into this
you know,
sort of murky world
that he is now
notorious for inhabiting
began after
he left Bear Stearns
in 1981 or so
and
he basically
became a smuggler
not just
or a trafficker
you could say
but it wasn't
you know,
minors
or in women
at that point
it was
it was weapons
mainly
but you know
there's this new
new documents
have come out
that have shown
that he was investigated
by the drug
enforcement agency
for
allegedly trafficking
or being involved
in trafficking networks
that were moving
ecstasy
and club drugs
around the
United States
which is really interesting
because I remember
a media roots radio episode
years ago
about
Mossad
trafficking ecstasy
all through the US
in that period of time
that Robbie Martin did
so
might have to go back
and revisit that now
but interesting
the overlap
so he
you know,
but anyway
in the 1980s
he was mainly
trafficking weapons
and he was also
doing a lot of
shady financial shit
which had gotten him
in trouble
at Bear Stearns anyway
and why they had to let him
go
at least the most likely
explanation
if you look into it
there's like
six different explanations
from different people
but the most believable one
is that
and so
later
Robert Maxwell dies
and he teams up
with Ghislaine Maxwell
and takes over
part
of the
Robert Maxwell
portfolio
quite obviously
and so
he's not
he's also involved
I have argued
with
the smuggling
and trafficking
of weapons
through the 1990s
but he was also
getting involved
through his connection
to Leslie Wexner
by using modeling
as a lure
to traffic women
mainly from Eastern Europe
and also Brazil
you know
to high-end clientele
and as I know
in this first friend series
in the previous
two installments
to this one
Epstein was clearly
doing this
as part of a broader network
that didn't just
involve him
and Jean-Luc Brinnell
of MC2
one of the people
involved with MC2
was a top
the head of elite models
in Europe
named Gerard Marie
who's been accused
of
terrible crimes
by a litany
of former models
that worked for him
his former wife
believes them
he's
she's like
yeah that sounds about right
he was never prosecuted
he's French
if you couldn't tell
by the name
and so there's a big
unexplored
angle of Epstein's
network in France
the investigation there
pretty much died
with Jean-Luc Brinnell
died in a French prison
and it hasn't been explored
and
you know there's also
a whole Italian angle
to this
that I talk about
in my first piece
and also my second piece
they're both about
Italians
and Italian-Americans
but brought more
brought
but they're also involved
with elite models
and more broadly speaking
you know
what was going on
with elite models
also ties
a decent bit
into Trump as well
who used to hold
elite model
look of the year contest
at the Plaza Hotel
when he owned it
and you know
there's a lot of
there's a lot more detail
I get into
but I don't want to get lost
in the weeds
but if you read those articles
it becomes pretty clear
that this is
at least the
the model
you know
model as a lure
trafficking pipeline
was much bigger
than just Epstein
and Jean-Luc Brinnell
it involved these people
as well
and there's been also
hardly any scrutiny
of what they were doing
in Brazil
a lot of women
were coming from there
how many Epstein victims
do you know
that are from
that are named
that are like you know
that come out and talk about
having been trafficked by Epstein
where the Brazilians
where the Eastern Europeans
the vast majority of the women
that were trafficked by him
were of those nationalities
most of the ones we know are
not all obviously
but most of the ones we know
are Americans
that got wrapped up in it
but it was much larger
it was large in size
and it's a much
obviously a much larger network
than beyond just Epstein
and Epstein as I said
continued his you know
these smuggling activities
in the 90s
probably into the early 2000s
and he was also
you know a master
at moving around money
so you don't call it
money trafficking
when you're moving money
between illegal
and illegal institutions
but I mean that's basically
what he was doing too
as a way to create
tax havens for powerful people
and prevent them from
paying taxes
so obviously
I think an important piece
of legislation
I would like to see passed
is Ron Wyden's act
that's about releasing
all of the treasury records
about Epstein
that would show
a lot of the money flows
involved there
but I do not see that passing
I would love for it to pass though
I would love those records
because also we know now
that Epstein was advising
the treasury
I mean it was actually reported
in 2019
and so Mark Goodwin's
in my series about
a lot of the Epstein network connections
to the crypto industry
the chain
touch on that
but you know
in the recent documents
there's like pictures of
Epstein's US treasury badge
I mean he was involved
he was very involved
and it's important to point out
because he was very involved
with the debt crisis in 2008
debt is routinely used
as a financial weapon
against other countries
he was a big foreign currency trader
foreign currency traders
have destroyed entire economies
and wrecked them
for the benefit of
the powers that be
so Epstein was clearly
he had
he wore many hats
but he was also doing this
kind of financial hitman
activity as well
and he's not alone in that either
so you know as a good example
he was close
one of the first people
that brought him
into sort of these elite circles
was Jimmy Goldsmith
who was called by the New York Times
part of this cabal of currency traders
that were basically destroying economies
around the world
he was hanging out with Goldsmith
at least as early
as the early 1970s
when he was like
recent college dropout
that doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
yeah
so beyond that
another person that was named as being part of this cabal
was Joe Lewis
who was recently pardoned by Trump
after admitting to insider trading
and Jimmy Goldsmith and Lewis
have ties to
oh I guess everyone's going to be surprised now
the Ross Child family
and the Ross Child Epstein connection
if you had read my books
would not be surprising
they came out in 2022
I wrote extensively about how the Max
Robert Maxwell literally came to the U.S.
on the behalf of Ross Child's banking interests
to be a corporate raider
so that Ross Child Inc. on Wall Street
could build its mergers and acquisitions business
it's like openly
they openly talked about it
and it was Robert Maxwell and Jimmy Goldsmith
that they picked
lots of new home shelves today
that are suddenly
that were out there in your books
or otherwise
it's just funny how that's the new media today
well it's okay
I mean I'm glad the information's out there
but I also don't want it to be misdirected
or turned into Q-ish
adjacent stuff
I mean this is real and verifiable
and not
loony-tuned town or whatever
some people might want to paint it
I mean it's a very real connection
and it's very important
to note that and discuss
because the big takeaway from this series
and all of my Epstein work really
is that Epstein was middle management
working on behalf of a tight-knit
network of oligarchs
and the oligarchs are unaccountable
nothing's going to happen to Leslie Wexner
and actually Mark Goodwin and I have an article
coming up from Unlimited Hangout
hopefully next week
that will show you exactly how Leslie
nothing has happened to Leslie Wexner so extensively
that his master plan he's been making
since the 1980s
it has basically come to fruition
in the state of Ohio
it's messed up
it's very messed up so
yeah sorry I'll let you
no no go ahead
I don't want to keep going
I just want to
you know it's important
I think that this is obvious
I think to most people
and that's what I'm curious that
you know that's why I feel like it's
even though they tried to not let this
happen drag their feet
lied about it
it is having a positive effect
that people are seeing it more
changing opinions
I think grudgingly for them
I think that's worth pointing out
I wanted to ask about the
previous point you were highlighting there
so weapons
and other smuggling sides of this
so obviously that's the intelligent
side of that you would argue
is that connected to the sort of
regime change element
and like do you feel that that plays a factor
in potential we're discussing today
what do you mean
well so I don't really know
if I can say
if Epstein was necessarily involved
in any regime changes
I just need to practice
the smuggling of weapons for example
oh sure
so specifically with Epstein
a lot of it
seemed to have been that he was involved
in moving weapons
specifically to
the Afghanistan Mukhaj Dean
by way of Iraq
and also apparently I think
arming Iraq to an extent as well
this is of course ongoing with the Iran
and the Iraq war when you had
US and Israeli intelligence via the
Iran-Contra operation
really armed both sides of that
conflict with the intent of having
Iran and Iraq weak in each other
and then a lot of the weapons
we gave Iraq
or the US gave Iraq in that era
were then used as justification years later
by Bush Jr. W. Bush
to go in and invade Iraq
oh the WMD's
well actually some of those
WMD's
that were you know fearmongered about
like anthrax among them were actually
given to
Saddam Hussein in the 1980s
from the US and it was Donald Rumsfeld
oddly enough that was the envoy
you know point man
for all of that so
historical patterns matter
here because these people are not
very creative and they do a lot of the same
stuff over history over and
over again so
you know maybe the reason some of us are right about
these stories early is because we like
notice
those
well that's often what I point about even just like
the week to week stuff that I do on the show
this is it's evidence
it's there it's not hard you look at their past actions
you consider what they typically do
what they might be do you know what their interests
are their agenda who profits it's not that
difficult we're always right but the point
is that in many cases it's just
it's anybody who's being honest and sort of
nonpartisan would be able to see the same
and I think we saw that a lot with a lot of these
recent sort of you know whether like
the ICE discussions for example just things that were
it's you know you're it's like
starting the conversation that we're out you know since we're on Mars
and it's like well hold on that's just
flatly not true and that kind of ridiculousness
with people engage with it and it becomes the
talking point but that's that's kind of yeah
there's a great example of that recently
where there were these tweets that got like
a huge engagement going around claiming that
Tulsi Gavards going to like hire Julian
Assange as a national security
advisor I'm like Trump tried to kill
Assange
it's crazy to reach those things that would never
happen but it gets a huge reach there's no
sources cited it's just like breaking and it's
more hopey I'm like oh Trump
is actually against the deep state so much that he's
going to hire the
truth teller guy he tried to have
murdered by the CIA
well you know it's just
sad you know thanks twitter vials
for the whole screenshot is evidence
today reality but that's that's obvious
yeah well there was I mean they hated
what what he leaks did in 2016 and
so they made it made sure through
various I would argue
successive ops to bastardize
what
you know national security leak
reporting is in the United States
in the public imagination
and the twitter files was the
nail in the coffin for that
and what do you know you I think it's
very interesting to look at the trajectory
of the twitter files journalist since then
right one of them are
what a what a ride it's been
yeah I mean and that's
it's the same as the
binder for Epstein most transparent you know
there's got to be some accountability here
especially when it's that quick of
change you know suddenly we're weeks later
and it's already clear that that wasn't true
really be called out for these things it's important
but you know speaking of calling people out
for things the interesting overlap of Kushner
and all this which you mentioned in the article we were just highlighting
and the interesting part
that just came to play before we touch on some of the
Iran parts of this where
and I'm I was always interested to
hear your thought on how you feel this played out
with verbio coming out and essentially
saying Israel was going
to attack and so we had to sort of
almost say more recently Caroline
Levitt was like well Jared Kushner talked to the president
and that was it exactly right
that's where I was going with that so it's interesting to see
how all of a sudden it's become well Israel
through Kushner sort of pressured
us or lied to us or made us whatever
variation of the argument it's like we're all like yes
exactly that's what we've been
trying to show everybody you know whether you think Trump
was manipulated or not which I think he's an active part
in this it came out that there
was an influence mechanism through Whitcoff
and Kushner and you know whether Trump is
seeing that or not I don't know you know I was curious
where you think this whole idea
that Trump is in charge of what
his administration does I don't agree
with at all I think
Trump is the Trump was chosen
because he was
a celebrity TV host it's
really interesting and I really encourage people to
read this whole series because you'll see
again these historical patterns
the model
for the Trump presidency actually
happened first in Italy in the 1990s
it was Silvio Berlusconi
who framed himself
as I'm a billionaire outsider
kind of celebrity now
guy and I'm
the billionaire outsider so I'm going to
come in as this outsider and clean up
the mess
and I'm going
you know and I'm going to run the country like a CEO
exactly
and Berlusconi
wait wait wait Berlusconi before that
probably tied up with organized crime
and a member of the P2 Lodge
and if you don't know about what P2 is
it was this free Masonic Lodge
that was found out to be engaged in subversive
activity involving the CIA
organized crime in the US
and Italy which in my
books I argue the organized crime syndicate
we're talking about in all these cases is the Jewish mob
and Italian mafia that teamed up in New York
and the head of the Italian mafia got deported
to Italy and so that's how it becomes
the Italian mafia again
and then the Vatican
right and so
you know
Berlusconi came out of that nexus
and his financial six of the reason he was
a billionaire was because of that network
they gave him the seed
money for his companies he built himself up
that way this is a made mob
made man
involving you know
intelligence and organized crime which have fused
a thesis of my
book again so
Berlusconi was the model
for that and then Berlusconi
why he was prime minister
had to leave because he got
charged with having sex
with minors and his wife left him
because he was surrounding himself with minors
bunga bunga parties
they were called
so I don't know
Trump is also a man
that before being a politician had
you know organized crime
ties specifically to the
Simeon Mogilevich group
which the US
mainstream media framed as you know a basis
for Russia gate reporting for a long time
because he's well he's not really Ukrainian
but he's a big guy in the Russian
mob but Simeon Mogilevich
was a key business partner of Robert
Maxwell at the time that
Donald Trump was partying on Robert
Maxwell's yacht the lady Galane
and Simeon Mogilevich
got was able to penetrate
the US financial system because Robert
Maxwell got him an Israeli passport
so that whole organized crime syndicate
Ala Mogilevich
is a transnational one that spans
Russia, Israel and the United States
and that's why the Russia gate reporting never really
had anything meaty to grab on because they
left out the Israel part
exactly the whole part
and so it's really
but it's you know as I note
in the series
how it ties into Berlusconi
it's the same crowd
in Europe they did Operation Gladio
that Nexus P2
but they
which was regime change ops
and wholesale slaughter of European
civilians
to prevent certain people from getting elected
supposedly to fight the communists
and all of this stuff
but you know I mean these are
intelligence ops involving the mob
that go back a long time and so the Trump
model is really not that different
than the Silvio Berlusconi model
and the first two people that I
wrote about in the series are close friends of
Trump that are also very
close to Silvio Berlusconi
and also have important roles in
the Epstein network in terms of trafficking
the first one being Flavio Breatori
who was accused
by Epstein's former butler of sex
trafficking along with John Luc Brinnell
Glaine Maxwell, Leslie
Wexner, Eva and Glenn
Dubin, he has
a pretty good track record honestly
I mean he has been dead
well before Epstein was arrested in 2019
so no one has been able to ask him
how he knew
he also said Trump was
he also flagged Trump
in that
so
important to keep all of that in mind
and the other person is Paolo Zampoli
who is the person that introduced Trump in Melania
and was a modeling agent again
a protege of John Casablanca's elite models
and had a lot of overlap
with Epstein in the
modeling world and then went on to work
for Trump and then a bunch
of shady United Nations
buying citizenship
stuff and then Glenn Maxwell's Teramar
so this is a transnational network
end of story
and
you know obviously
it involves Israel to a significant
degree but again it's transnational
so the power structure is above
the nation state
so it doesn't begin and end with Israel
but Israel is a key part
of it because Israel
you know has
such a huge lobbying presence
in the post World War II
era that it's very difficult
to criticize them or boycott them
you know they've made it
very difficult
to single them out even when they do terrible
things
and I think the transnational
mob
or whatever you want to call them
utilizes that to their advantage all the time
because the stuff that's too
touchy for them to do in the
US or Europe or elsewhere
they'll just have them do it
exactly well so how do you see all this
tying to the current direction
ask this first is the current
US government rather just the Trump administration
but it's the same things from before
current direction do you see that as a
globalist direction with his
board of peace with the new WHO proposal
and then how do you see this connecting
with because you mentioned the whole CEO run
country point all the way back then
you know how do you yeah that's the technocratic
model yeah how do you see
the techno king idea
yeah go ahead go ahead yeah well
the running the country as a CEO is
is pretty close to the technocracy
model and the running the country as a CEO
idea
as a private executive
well I mean you know what a lot of these
people in the Curtis Jarvin
sphere want is a CEO
dictator I think Curtis Jarvin is pretty
open about that he's hugely influential
with J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel and
all of those guys
state agenda that's the
that's the point yeah I mean they they don't
I don't think they self-describe it as
technocracy
yeah
right in the
book that
from former CTO
from
Coinbase that he describes it verbatim
as tech Zionism that just that's terrifying
to me with what we see in the world today you know
that's a new term and I don't like it
at all
by others in the conversation you know
but you know that it's why that's so important
to me obviously because I've been talking about it and I'm worried about
where that goes but you know I
curious from the internal
like it seems like there's a lot
of the religious Zionism
draw or rather influence on
Trump's inner
administration
but is that the same do you think as the larger sort
of Peter Thiel direction
because I think about that because I think Israel has its own
direction in all this and I think they may
at some point sort of butt heads
I was curious if you had any thoughts on that
so
Ali Drive
so to be honest you know I think like Peter Thiel's
anti-Christ stuff it there's
an attempt there
to rebrand Christianity
in ways that are more
compatible
with Silicon Valley's deep involvement
in the US military
which slaughter civilians
and also the Israeli military
which slaughter civilians
and
there's sort of a way an attempt there
to develop a new form
of a more
violent Christianity
which you know
most Christians
I would think would be against
but it's
they're particularly marketing this not necessarily
to the general American public
but a select number of people in Silicon
Valley are up and coming
people in the tech technology
scene that identify
as Christians
so you know Peter Thiel's anti-Christ series
only certain people were invited to
that it was not a publicly broadcasting
they're not trying to sway the public
with that that's kind of
they're going after a niche group
there
and then you have Trey Stevens
who's a long, well he's
an obvious spook
but he's a Thiel, very Thiel linked one
a
big Palantir guy before that was
involved in US intelligence stuff
in Afghanistan but he co-founded
Andaril with
Palmer Lucky
which is doing a lot of this autonomous warfare
stuff but beyond that
he also created, well his wife
normally created but he clearly runs
it with his wife called Act 17
that's kind of this collective in Silicon Valley
about trying to
bring Christianity back to
Silicon Valley and it's this particular
brand of it
Interesting, yeah
so the religious Zionism thing
I think is a little different
if you're talking about what we're once
an extremist group in Judaism
but you know obviously
it's expanded
since then but I definitely
want to make it very clear that I don't think all Jews
follow in this category even remotely
but there is
this particular faction that's
very obsessed with hastening
the end times
but there's also a group of Christians
that's very obsessed with that and you know
I wrote about this back for Mintpress
I think in 2019
it's just sort of the history of how that developed
on both sides and the idea
that these groups have
opportunistically used each other
and they don't necessarily
like each other
but they opportunistically use each other
to try and hasten
the same end times but they think the end times
will have different outcomes obviously
and actually the Christian
version of that
the Christian Zionist
believed outcome of the end times
has been criticized as being deeply
anti-Semitic ironically enough
but it's basically
for both ends it's born out of this
idea that God
isn't acting quickly enough
and so we must
do things
to hasten the end times
because
we don't want to wait to paraphrase
the
you know the Schneersen song
I mean it's
blasphemous from any perspective
any religion you know what you're doing
so this is
well it just assumes that you know better than God does
right
like that's gone well historically
but these are also the same people
that want to like edit the human genome
and like put pig organs into people
and are doing all of this crazy stuff in medicine
and transhumanism so I mean they're like
you know
an example of a genetic manipulation
stuff they're doing in Prospera
for example with no oversight and regulation
longevity stuff
RFK's administration you know you can see a lot of this stuff
really permeating
into this administration which is one of the reasons
why it's so
concerning for me how it all ties together
with the foreign policy part of this
and so let's touch on that to end
today where much time we have left about
what's going on with Iran just from you know
surface level opinions and
you know about how it ties in with this
or not at all right what are your thoughts on
whether this is sort of like we said
earlier is that you know Trump being pulled into this
because of Greater Israel that has maybe nothing
to do with the larger conversation or do you see
as Catherine discussed last night
this being just like
explicitly part of the engineering
of the larger control
grid for a global sense
you're talking about the war in Iran
where does that fit in
sorry
no it's okay that's probably my fault
first interview in a while might be a little
gonna get things moving again I don't know
sorry
yeah basically
I mean just look at like Gaza's the
template so just look at what they did to
Gaza they moonscaped it
they committed egregious
terrible war crimes
and the plan
well let Jared Kushner tell
you know oddly enough the person I
brought up a minute ago Paolo Zampoli
who was part two of
my first friend series actually was the
original person to come up with the whole
Gaza Riviera Mara
and Gaza idea
years ago pitched it
to Trump but yeah it's basically they
openly say it's to turn Gaza
into well yeah not just digital ID
but they openly say to have it ruled by
a technocratic council
exactly digital money the whole thing
it is literally
it's the ultimate build back better and
Trump is doing it for all you people in the
COVID area that thought Trump wouldn't
be in on this
he's using the full power of the US
military
to murder people
so that this can happen
and steal their land
so that I mean that's probably
the goal in Iran and to
another extent too the US also engineered
this in Ukraine
and don't act like Trump was it complicit in it
because basically in order
in exchange for US military and European
military support
Ukrainian state assets were sold
off to Blackrock and JP Morgan
right
and Trump is like that's great
let's do
let's do more of that so this has been
happening in the last several conflicts
it's about going into these
specific areas
blowing everything up
destroying everything destroying
people's lives
and then coming back into quote-unquote
build back better and
install these
four IR cities
on the ruins
and to think that that couldn't
happen elsewhere
I mean it's just
it's disturbing I mean it's basically the
message that's being sent is
implement these systems voluntarily
or we will
bomb you until you build back
back better it's the four B's
now bombs build back better
or any very
you know
big beautiful bill came out as well
like really just shoving it in your face
making the overlap
but you know I think what's clear is
as you pointed out the coercion part of this
but it's not even just the bombs it's
as we see with some of the more amenable
countries that maybe don't want to go directly
in that direction it becomes sort of do this
or we're going to find an investigation
somehow of your government or suddenly
we're going to remove what you need
or you know just
dishonest tactics across the world today
just coercing people into this direction
you know and some interesting that I'm glad
you I'm glad I'm glad this is becoming
something that's getting more discussion because I think it's very
clear that this is what we've all
worried about you know whether I mean
they ask you this then too do you think Trump is aware
of that you think he's consciously aware
of this agenda or is he being used and I don't think
it matters he's the apprentice host of
this dystopian
reality we're living I agree with
that he's there to make be the public
face the reality TV
face of all of this
I don't think he's making the decisions
I don't either but the reason
that's important I think is because
I wonder if that with what we know
about him I mean you could read his books you can understand
he is clearly the same person he's always
been he's very narcissistic
in the art of the deal that whole idea
comes from Roy Cohn his mentor
again go back to my books out
almost four years ago
which was all about
the whole idea of art of the deal
is backdoor deals
with shady organized crime figures
about how to make more money
for the billionaires right
right what do you think
Trump's deals are about
yeah well I mean so if you have
a person like that who is being manipulated
and is allowed to think he's in control
right that's what I that's how I would
Jared Kushner comes and it's like
tank your whole base
and make voters hate you
in the middle of a major
affordability crisis and invade
Iran please and Trump is like
oh you say clap I will clap like a seal
okay but Jared Kushner
do you think this is the guy
that's really running
shit and he's like in charge of what's
happening in his government
he works
for the transnational
let's call it a corporation that's really what it is
right and
what's telling I mean
I really like to point out this quote to people
because I think it's very revealing
and how long this has been going on
in the early 1970s
Samuel Peace are who's Anthony
Blinken's stepfather
but also was Robert Maxwell's
super best bud and lawyer
and close friend and part of
that whole mob nexus
of which Maxwell was
you know part and helped build
so the same Epstein network we're talking
about but well before Epstein obviously
because this is the 70s Samuel
Peace are testified before Congress
about the rise of what he called the trans
ideological corporation
and what he described
that as is the multinational
western corporation is going
to joint ventures with all of
the state owned companies
not all of but a lot of the state owned companies
and communist countries and what
they're doing is creating
an economic structure that is making
the nation state irrelevant
right and that this is
this is what is running the world
and you were saying this is back in the 70s
in the early 70s and he told this
in front of the US Congress
and someone was like so do you think
this is bad he was like not necessarily
you know
I mean it's the most in your face thing
ever this is the Nixon era
right that long a plan it seems
at least the transition away from something
that they realized
after Nixon who came in it was
Jimmy Carter right
or no there was Gerald Ford in there
but he wasn't elected and I think
Romsfeld served in his government the first
time right so he was it's obvious
who he was but then you have Carter who's
full of trilateral commission people
basically his whole administration
run by that you have Reagan
which is really Papa Bush
that does Iran Contra
in the Franklin scandal and like all of
these promise
all of these insane crimes BCCI
which actually started in
the 70s with the CIA
back then
and then
the 90s you have Bush senior
Clinton but I mean it's a constant
progression of these
of this club
all these politicians are owned by them
and you know back in the
70s people thought leaders actually ran
things and then this guy told Congress
no it's these
corporations and they fused
with the corporations of the communist
block and this is what's running
the world now and I think
well I think if you
look at it it's very obvious that's the case
I think the whole idea that multi polarity
is a real thing that like China
in Russia offer any real
challenge to this end
game that the West is having
of going to technocracy it's very obvious
that they they've all adopted it themselves
and China's the model for it
hmm so it's an interesting
China's going to save us from a model
that helped perfect
no right
in Russia's full steam ahead
on CBDCs and digital ID
and all of this stuff like you're not escaping
it by cheering on foreign
countries that you think are nominal
US adversaries and
it's a convenient narrative
for building infrastructure of the
of the prison or if you want to use
Catherine's term the digital control grid
like right now all this the whole
narrative about why we have to build
AI mass surveillance in the United
States and fill it with autonomous
lethal drones
is because China
we have to beat China
in the AI race but the people
that are building
in Silicon you know in Silicon Valley
have tons of business interests
in China
I mean Elon Musk is a perfect example
but also Google also Microsoft
like all of these guys
it's the same on all these points
it's the same mob like why was
Epstein on
the very important
Microsoft Russia
trip in 1998
and he's pictured in Russian
classrooms with top Microsoft executives
presumably looking for young talent
with Nathan
Mirvold who's the chief technology
officer of Microsoft
I mean
I don't know they've been that
is the transnet ideological corporation
right there you know
it's like they're all
the corporations run everything
but who runs them it's this oligarchy
right and the point is you can see
that kind of hypocrisy the blindness from
always like Larry Fink being very close
to Trump's inner circle but yet BlackRock
was his money manager
but they're still framed by the people that support him
as sort of like the bad evil thing
Jones will do a whole expose on how bad BlackRock is
but you know it just it's so it's a weird
deviation but what you're really
Larry Fink advised Trump's entire
economic response to COVID
right Stephen Mnuchin called him
like 19 times
in like a very short span
just like Larry
what do I do okay
I destroy the economy
gotcha so you can buy it
great
I just find it really interesting that what you're describing
is hypothetically the idea that the
communist elements are essentially driving
the change of our society
and that's being supported by the people claiming
they're fighting those things it's just a
I mean what that really speaks to is the idea that
all of what we deal with in the world is somewhat a show
I think we really should be
all the fear mongering about communist China
China has a ton of billionaires they're an authoritarian
capitalist society
right
I mean they don't hate capitalism are you kidding me
I mean even and then Catherine
called Trump the most anti-capitalist
president in history you know and there's plenty
points you made about what they're doing behind the
it's just an interesting time to
to stand back and question
all of what we're looking at and again that's why
I think this is sort of this transition that's taking
place because people are just kind of waking
up from it all it's we're tired of this
it's been one cycle after another and I think people
are just starting to see it you know
yeah well I think the Epstein files have been
good for revealing at least to some people
the nature of the of how things
really function and that there's there's
a group operating
above the visible group
but there could easily be groups operating above
that we just don't have the visibility
into it right but
stop thinking this is something you're going to
resolve only at the ballot box
if you want to spend one day every four years
voting because you think it's important I
don't care that's fine
but if you think that's the only thing
you need to do
yeah I really don't agree with you
yeah I think there's a lot
that everyone needs to do personally
you know
like try and shore
up their local communities or like
develop if you don't want to participate in this
digital currency crap
you know build
local community and
try and develop your own
parallel economy with people
close to you I don't know
I mean there's not a lot of
easy solutions to these problems
and that's because for many
decades people have
not spoken up when they should have
and things were swept
under the rug and then you know
back in the day people were killed
to keep you know certain information
from becoming public I think
now they just can algorithmically
bury it or smear
people or delete people's
accounts and disappear them
online now that all this course is online
you know it's a little bit of a different
game but yeah
it's
you know people have to make will have to
make hard choices
with what's coming
and we should be talking about
I mean people should
openly acknowledge that instead of being like
don't listen to those negative Nancy's
you know this
can be solved by voting for J.D. Vance
in 2028
it's coming you know but I think
all these people that are like off the Trump train
now will hop on the Vance or Rubio
or whatever train it is
I agree but mark my words it will
be noticeably less
hopefully so we can only hope
we can see it right now and I think
it's noticeably less that are you know
I think they can see that these agendas
like I was joking about this the other day
and this has happened before with this topic
but I see it others too but they basically
come out for what the 15th time and go
aliens are real and we're like whatever
let's get to the next story
well I mean they're going to throw
the kitchen sink at everybody if they
feel like they're losing control so
that's what the alien thing I think
has just been kind of simmering
there I agree
sorry I don't want to trust the
department of the US government
that just blew up an Iranian girl
school because it listened to the wrong
fucking AI
about aliens
sorry I don't really trust what they have to say
about aliens right
they're war criminals
I don't trust them if anything
they probably work with the aliens
if they're like I don't know
like it's just ridiculous
I just think it's a huge
distractionary thing and they try
and back to what we were saying
about leaks based journalism
and how the twitter
files like was meant to manipulate
that I think a lot of times and even
to an extent with you know some of the
Epstein files even it's to keep our eyes
off of other things and so when they release
you know so when the Epstein files
I don't know if you remember it was getting
inconvenient for the Trump administration a few months ago
Pete Hegseth was like we're going to release
the UAP files
right right exactly
the alien files we're going to release them
and then you can pour over that on the internet
why we literally destroy your world
and eat your money
I mean it happens every time
you know there's some level of kind of reaction
right now the mainstream alternative media kind of does it for them
with every you know whatever else they want to point to
but I'll include for the
show notes and for the podcast a great article written by
Kevorka Masian from
Oh Yeah
which he was just kind of getting on what you
were highlighting there is this growing
awareness of like the real
function the way our society is actually
function and it's not government you know
there's something above all of this and
whether as you said it goes even more layers above that
is that the people are just finally starting to go
okay you know I'm seeing what
you're talking about right it's like or people that
read your books a long time ago and like I was saying
just had trouble kind of you know there's so much
information are now beginning to
tell us they go okay now I can see
exactly the reason they're
my work is so info dense is one
when I go on an interview to talk about
them and people I mean I used to get the
criticism that there's not enough sourcing
like you're saying stuff but where are your sources
read my written stuff
if you want the sources you know that's
why it's there and now I have people being
like I can't read an article I know
some of my articles are long but even if I read one
that's like 20 minutes people are like what are they
or 10 minutes what are the key takeaways
that's like Brock what is this article about
yeah it's frustrating but I think
it needs to be long and this is the reason
my show is all you these things are not something
you can you know if you want headlines
and talking points there's plenty of people out there
repeating discussions you know but and that's
necessary for some people that don't have time
but to understand these things and not just
repeat points but to understand them and be
able to articulate and discuss
you need the long form conversation
you need it's important you know and I think
again I think most people are very much aware
of that today well let's
let's end with just generally speaking the
Iran points on this where I don't have
much time you know just a couple more minutes we can
touch on the wrong to wrap up here what's
the time your time right now
232 for me
okay
I'm changing
well
I had a time change and she lay has its
own daylight savings so I'm like oh my god
what time is it I'm so frustrated with
the time the daylight savings times
daylight savings time
but all was going to end with was just
you know we're so we already discussed
really but the point was that we have examples
of Marines now being deployed right but
an argument more about guiding
ships through the path but look I'm pretty
I argue that we know there are boots on the ground
and have been long before this and I think that's very
clear now from a lot of different angles but now
we actually have their marines headed
to the Middle East conversation and that's
for Israel guys that's not even debated it's
clear what they're telling you they're trying to do
right now and I think
right now it's obvious this is all kind of coming
down you know people are starting to see through
this I don't know if anybody can tell for
you know know for sure which sides
effectively winning you know all that kind of
stuff but I think it's worth questioning a
lot of this and I'm of the mind right now
that the way that they set this up the way
that they I mean
almost set themselves to fail quite frankly
and I you know what out there what I think
that's driving from that ultimately I think
it's Iran playing the long game I think
we can see that slowly starting to
become clear with the weapons transactions
are doing and so on but just
overview from your opinion you know where
do you see this going
you know in regard to Iran do you think this
is if you have any thoughts on it all just let me know if you think that
that's going to continue it's going to stop what do you think
um I mean I could go one of two
ways obviously
um and I'm not really I'm I just
want to be really honest I'm not really sure
how it could play out like I said earlier
I think if the US succeeds and what
it's trying to do there
Gaza is the absolute
model for what
the US and Israel hope to install it's
been very clear that Trump plans he's
already said plans to select the new
leader they've
claimed anyway that they've intentionally
targeted any sort
of leadership candidate
um of Iran
you know since this started
um but also you know
military assessments going back
uh you know over the
several iterations we've
had of you know Netanyahu
getting in front of the UN with like the red
bomb diagram being like they're this close to
a bomb we should invade the US
should invade um
you know all of that I mean that's been going on a long
time and and assessments back then
you know pointed to how
Iran is much more difficult
uh to
invade then you know Iraq
for example
um and that you know
both for geographical reasons
and political reasons
um you know
so
the idea that it was going to be
solved just by like a week of
uh you know aerial bombings
if they if the goal really was
to you know
install a US Israeli
puppet
uh yeah I mean it makes sense that it would
eventually move to a different phase
um I hate
that it's happening it's just so
annoying to me because so many people that were like
anti-Neocon cheerleaded
this administration
on and acted like a vote
for Trump was the anti-Neocon
vote and it's just so
frustrating um because
if you look at the first administration
should have been clear uh
you know uh he does
what Sheldon Adelson wants for the foreign
policy angle and now Sheldon
is dead and Miriam is there
uh and it's the same crap
um and
you know a lot of innocent people are
getting blown up
and uh you know
our government is obviously
doing it they're complicit and behind
them are the big tech warlords
uh like
Peter Thiel chairman of Palantir
I know people have tried to downplay his involvement
yes he dumped some shares
as far as I know he's still
chairman of the board and has been
and he created that company
um yeah
yeah and and
and Palmer Lucky of Andrew
uh who
is like mad that like Wired
says he's like a bad person in
Silicon Valley yeah you're a fucking warlord
dude right um
and you're taking humans out of I mean
think about how many war crimes
the US committed in Iraq
and Afghanistan and like
people went to prison for revealing
them
and that was when there was only
human oversight
imagine
the world that people like Palmer Lucky are building
where they want it to be 100% autonomous
and AI regularly
hallucinates and we know
that the Pentagon under Trump has been using
AI to pick who to target
in American AIs were
chosen to you know
and we're
used to choose targets in Gaza
and look what happened there
that's the model right there and in the Iranian
girl school I mean this is
it's so criminal
it's hard to describe
it's hard to even really wrap your mind around
without just feeling sick to your
stomach um and I just
um
I hate this is where we're at
in the COVID era I had so much hope
that people would figure out that this
these people were bad
and here we are
and
I don't know mass murder is not
the solution and I
the whole model that we talked about earlier
of it's coercion
or it's bombing
and it's leading us all
to you know all the
pressuring national governments around the world
to adopt these systems
that are going to be used
to impose
a techno feudalism
so we're not just seeding
national sovereignty formally
the goal is to have a seed our
sovereignty even the sovereignty over our own
bodies if this gets
far long enough
it's being done by blowing
children
and innocent people to bits
and it's sick and I think
people that think these bombings are a good thing
are either
heavily propagandized
or sociopathic
I agree entirely
but to end with
a positive point that I do
very much see in this and it's not just trying to
be like wishful thinking
is that I agree with you that
there's been ups and downs and let downs for sure
but this last transition
has been different at least from my perspective
from the time I've been doing this
and I very much do feel
and I hope I'm not wrong
let's have hope for where it goes
but the people are genuinely
in a different place than they were
over the last few times
and I think the COVID-19 timeframe had a very big effect
on that but I think October 7th
more than anything forward
the way they handled that
I think it changed the entire game
and I think now I'm hoping
we're going to see this start to change
there's always going to be new agendas, new lies
new Q and A's and Russia gays
and whatever else but I think there are people
more on guard than ever to that
and that's hopefully with us here now
everybody out there doing this in an objective way
that we will see a positive change
if we keep fighting this and I'd like to believe
we have that opportunity right now
so put a little bit of a positive note on it
I really do think that
thanks for the positive spin
sorry I just really don't like war
and so I think it's very
ugh
I hate that it's happening
and I hate that this was so preventable
and it was
and the administration is just treating it
like it was just like oh well my son
and I'll walk through the door
yeah why not
they're so obviously trapped in this
at the very least because they don't want us to see
who's actually calling this out
but this is why the Trump administration
when they chose their cabinet they put in people
that were like either TV show hosts
or like popular podcast influencers
it was people who
had trust with the base
and so when they deliver the message
of we're invading Iran
they would be like that's fine
Tulsi Gabbard's anti-war
so if she says we have to go to war with Iran
and we do it and blah blah blah
that was why they wanted to
Gabbard's their token
and I'm sure she sees that about herself right now
or maybe she's never been genuine
I don't trust any of these people
we should question all of them
all the time that's what we do
we have to
like even like I say with a Massey
like I'll continue to point out like his consistency
thus far in this conversation
but I would probably never
I mean I don't think we ever should trust
my biggest worry
about someone like Thomas Massey
is if they wanted to try and do the
Hopium thing in 2028
they would tack him on a ticket
and maybe they would make him a lot of promises
maybe he
maybe he really is a genuine guy
but the idea that we can only fix this
at the ballot box I don't think is
true and you could
hoodwink a lot of people into thinking
that is true if you were to run
someone like him or
you know someone some people have
hypothesized a
bipartisan Rokana Massey ticket
yeah I'm waiting for
that yeah so I
would again it's
important the people who are building trust right
now even if it's through accurate
reporting
you got to pay attention to
the potential misdirection
that's coming at the end because a lot of these
people that are building trust right now
are lifting the work of others
to build that trust or at least
building off of it and not really citing it
I mean that's not just true for Epstein
that's true for some digital currency reporting
and a lot in other things that are going on
right now so as a result
the amount of people I trust
in alt media has dwindled
wow
a lot
but you know it is what it is
yeah I mean it's at least
we can you know I mean I agree with you
I think a lot of people are getting there you know but
I think right now the questioning is important
so I'm glad that that's where people are getting
to so thank you for
I can't complain about
it no I still have
10 minutes
okay yeah well
let's get into one more point then so let's
well we didn't talk a ton about
my article so if you don't mind
I'll give people the quick
brief rundown so
I think all we really established
I got like on a tangent there
sorry about the earlier iterations of the series
it is a thing that happens
when we are on the same stream Ryan
I don't know
the years of practice
but yeah so basically
we already established right that
the torture video redacted Sultan guy
that the Trump administration was protecting
is
one of the subjects of this article
as you can see there there he is
he was a business partner of Trump
Trump's first involvement
in the United Arab Emirates
first a business venture
was
with a company
Suleyem controlled called Nakil
and they were going to build Trump Tower Dubai
and it only fell apart because of the
2008 financial crisis
because Andrew Farkas and most likely
Jeffrey Epstein had them create
a secondary mortgage market
which parked a bunch of money in the Cayman Islands
and created all this crazy
mortgage backed security crap
that exploded in 2008
obviously in the United States
in a huge way but also in Dubai
completely
thanks to the system that Andrew
Farkas built at the same time he was
hanging around Epstein who had also helped
park fairs Stearns
toxic mortgage debt in an offshore
vehicle in the exact same timeline
so very
interesting there
but this is
a fraction of what I
talk about
in this and so I want to bring
so basically the reason it's
titled this way is because
Andrew Farkas was instrumental
in Epstein establishing the
system he had in the US
VI particularly the Marina
he used
to establish his private
telecommunications connections including
the surveillance cameras
that were likely used to blackmail people
on the island
all to point back to this Marina
that Andrew Farkas co-owned with Epstein
and Epstein we don't know how much money
either of them paid for it
by the way
but they were co-owners and Epstein
also had two of his businesses
park their financial trust company
which later turned into
southern trust company and it employed
the wife of the
US VI prime minister at the time that
Epstein moved his primary
base of operations to be in the
US VI and she was a huge
fixer for him and those companies
were tied to criminal activity
in these past US VI lawsuits
that were settled out of court
and what he wanted
to do with one of those companies
was recruit
teens
from the US VI
and have them run all the AI servers
of the company for it. It was like a
financial algorithmic AI trading
firm and also involved
in like biomedical algorithmic
stuff and he wanted kids
to run it which is weird when you're
dealing with someone like Epstein who's
both a pedophile and a transhumanist
and she was helping Epstein get
student visas for traffic girls
at a US VI university
that they weren't actually attending
so what do you think she also did
why her husband
was prime minister
I can't believe I'm saying prime
minister governor, US VI is a US
territory, I'm sorry
I will
get rid of these mistakes
at some point when I'm back in the
flow of interviews a little bit more
sorry about that
but it's very messed up and actually
the
governor in question had
to resign because he got caught
in this corruption embezzlement scandal
that intimately involved people from like
the Obama and Clinton spheres
which is interesting
and there's a really good article by
Corey's digs that I cite in here for
more information about that
specifically it's very crazy
but in addition to that
you have the Ben-Suliam angle
and it's important the reason
Farkas and Ben-Suliam are both included
here is because they're longtime business partners
they go everywhere together since like
2002 when they were introduced
they were introduced by a close friend of
Trump named Sol Kirsner
who is part of the South African
I guess
real estate hotel
dynasty that have a lot of
suspect connections as noted
in the
piece but Ben-Suliam
as I mentioned earlier was
basically in control of a huge
portfolio dealing with freight
and also you know marinas and
ports around the world
and Farkas also
controls an insane amount of
marinas mainly for
large yachts around
the world and one of the reason he got in the
yachting business was because
billionaires with
giant yachts like Leslie Wexner
and his yacht The Limitless
had votes that were so big
they couldn't go into existing marinas
so he's his marinas serve
in particular
this upper class
with their giant ass boats
and they're connected to traffickers
okay and so the
Ben-Suliam guy if you look at his recent
releases with Epstein he's talking
about
and Farkas too they're talking about
can I you know trading
masseuses and the girls and
Farkas was photographed on a yacht
with Epstein, Jean-Luc Brunel and women who were
most likely trafficked knowing what Brunel
and Epstein did together
and in Ben-Suliam
in his communications about women
in the torture video
I mean it's very clear that something very dark
was going on between these men
but beyond that you have to look at what
they were what they controlled
and that they also have
this background in criminal activity and also
Epstein's own past in criminal
activity and as I noted earlier
what was Epstein doing he was smuggling
and moving stuff around
it went from weapons it went to
women but
basically you know he also
corrupted and cultivated a lot
of customs officers both in Florida
and in the USVI
he could move anyone or anything
anywhere and Farkas
and Ben-Suliam could help him do it
and they have a track record of doing that
and they are not being investigated
and they absolutely should be because they're
clearly big parts of this and Farkas
will not be investigated why because he's
the money behind a lot of the Kushner family
business going back to Jared Kushner
and how Kushner
is often a front you know
they use other people's money
to buy the buildings they manage so they're
completely dependent on
you know people wealthier than them
for the real estate business they conduct
and one of those people is Andrew Farkas
specifically his company C3
Capital Management
which there's emails now
about Farkas trying to get Epstein involved
with C3 Capital Management so
you know this is something that I think is
really significant
and there's obviously a lot of connections
I'm leaving out here so going back
to you know the Obama
Clinton ties to the USVI scandal
and all of that well Andrew
Farkas is intimately tied up with the Democratic
Party and fundraising he's the whole reason
Andrew Cuomo was ever anything
ever after he left
being head of the Department of Housing
and Development under the Clinton Administration
so
Governor Mayor all of that Andrew Cuomo's
money for that
and several campaigns his campaign finance
chairman was Andrew Farkas
so you listen to Farkas
it's not good for downs
and it just underscores
how this is a huge bipartisan
issue
The deep state or the unelected power structure
the shadow government argument that's being
ignored well you know I guess the
Republicans blame the Democrats or however they want
to frame this in a partisan way like that's what that looks
like that never ending influence
whichever side yeah and so
one of the craziest part of this article
it actually ties into a very
forgotten about national security
scandal that happened in the Bush administration
because there were many of them but basically
the Bush administration tried to give
Dubai port world complete control over the
biggest ports in the United States
and it was supposed to be investigated
or at least
the federal government
was supposed to conduct
oversight investigations and top
Bush officials waived them all secretly
and one of them was the
treasury secretary at the time John Snow
who now works for Steve Feinberg
who incidentally is
number two at the Pentagon after Hexeth
and I would argue is actually running the Pentagon
not Piquet Seth it's the
server is capital management guy Steve Feinberg
who's deputy secretary
of war he's the one actually
running this he employs John Snow now
and this
story also significantly involves the Carlisle
group and so in Epstein
had a lot of ties to them and they have a lot of ties
to the Bush family and also the bin Laden's
and the bin Laden's business
interests also intersect with the
HUD fraud that was going on that I know Catherine
Austin Fitz has talked a lot about but Farkas
intimately involved in that crowd
he made bank in the
90s on HUD fraud
and actually was involved in the
effort to nuke Catherine's company
Hamilton securities from removing fraud
from HUD so this is the same
crowd and it's it's the Bush Reagan
crowd the Iran Contra crowd it makes
perfect sense
that he and Epstein would be swimming around each other
but anyway while
the negotiations with the Dubai port world and the
Bush administration were going on
Suleyam and Farkas were meeting with Epstein
they are in the front row of the
Victoria secret fashion show
with Leslie Wexner Abigail Wexner
and Jeffrey Epstein
so they obviously met before then you don't have
your first meeting in the front row of that
they were invited to be the VIPs of that
and you bet
that they were discussing the most pressing thing
on Ben Suleyam's mind at the time
that DP world deal
to take over US ports and there was a huge
pushback
from people in Congress yeah
this picture is crazy
there's Russell Simmons in the back
who's part of the whole like Diddy
Brett Ratner
thing I don't know it's nuts
but that's clearly not their first meeting
this is November 2005
so before this the earliest
they were this report the earliest they were
believed to have met was like over a year
later in 2006
but now they were meeting why the DP
world stuff was actively going on and the
Bush administration despite the protests of
Congress
because they were upset about it
over 9-11 stuff because the 9-11
Commission like linked financing
for the attacks to
the UAE and also Saudi Arabia
right so
so they were mad about
ports being handed over to the UAE
for that reason and this is not that many
years after 9-11 so obviously
you know the the pull of that
event was still really strong
for the American public and
in Bush basically went in the
face of that in the middle of the war on
terror and was like
no if you try and prevent this
with legislation I will veto it
I mean it went really far
and the Bush administration tried really hard
to protect this and one of the people
that tried really hard to protect it
it wasn't just George Bush himself
it was Alberto Gonzalez
the Attorney General at the time
and according to Nick Bryant
the only people that could have told
Alex Acosta
and and
you know the people prosecuting Epstein in Florida
in 2006-2007
for the sex
trafficking and in his involvement
you know with minors
the reason he was told to stand down
could have only been or the only person
per Nick Bryant that can tell a US
attorney a district attorney to stand down
is the Attorney General or the president
so it was one of those two people
and having Epstein
involved in the circles around this deal
advising these guys and he went on to
advise them for many years I mean this is
a very close relationship
with Suleim and Farkas
that may have had an influence
actually to an extent
on the decision not to prosecute Epstein
and should absolutely be revisited
and another angle that is all
the Carlisle group connections because there's a lot
of ties of the Carlisle
group to all of these people
in question it's been called the CIA
of the business world
David Rubenstein who runs it
had ties to Epstein his wife
for many years was very
very close to Epstein and also to
Colleen Maxwell
so you know there's a lot to be said
a lot to be said there
so if you're interested in how
Epstein may have intersected with the Bush
administration you're interested
in learning how Trump first got involved
with the United Arab Emirates
and with who which is actually pretty
important because a lot of the big conflicts of
interest that have popped up in the second
administration have been around the UAE
with like world liberty financial
and some of those like obvious conflicts
of interest there like they put a bunch
of money into Trump family ventures
or Wittkopf family ventures in the case
of world liberty financial
and then the UAE was allowed access
to closely guarded AI chips
you know it's an obvious I mean
Trump is an obvious pay to play presidency
and it's crazy because a lot of Trump voters were
outraged at the pay to play of Hillary
Clinton and the Clinton foundation
but I guess this is fine
even though it's probably
I mean honestly more brazen than
that even it's it's kind
of nuts but yeah so this
article goes into all of that
and you know if you
want to learn about the guy who's behind Andrew Cuomo
who you may remember from the COVID era
and all sorts of other things or the recent
New York mayoral
race you know
this is the article for you but
at the end of the day it shows that
a lot of these logistics firms
that are essential to moving cargo
around the world and port
security
and how customs officers
can very easily be corrupted
by these people
it's very clear that
not only was Epstein utilizing
a network like this but all the
people in his network could have called on these guys
via Epstein. That's what it seems like
that this was sort of just a
part as you've often always
pointed out this was as you I think
you said in this interview that he was just a part in this
not some kind of leader that this is one
larger network
and then you know diplomatic community
involved with that as well with the process there
you know so much that that's just very clearly
a the
vessel or funnel
for what they might be trafficking or using
in any possible way or clandestine operations
I mean anything like that so they can hide
effectively anything with that setup.
Yeah I mean they
if they're able to control most of the marinas
and you know in industrial
ports in the world they can move anything
anywhere and there's a lot of examples
of Epstein very successfully doing that
in the 80s and 90s particularly the 90s
which very few people for
some reason want to look into
as it relates you know well a lot of the people
that have popped up you know to
talk about Epstein I have noted
the you know the BCCI ties
or the arms trafficking in the 80s ties
but they're
seemingly very uninterested
in what he was trafficking
in the 90s with the help of Leslie Wexner
in southern air transport
the CIA airline that moved
to Columbus Ohio specifically
for Leslie Wexner is the limited
um anyway
there's a you know a pulling of a punch there
because if it connects to certain people
Oh connects to Israel and connects
to China so uh oh
well I'll leave you with this one
thought point since you know you
brought this up and I think it's interestingly
kind of makes it I do have to go in two
minutes though so let's just
Trump offers donors access to
national security briefings that they're willing to
basically pay their way in national
security briefings we this country
has been sold out to the highest bidder a long
time ago yeah you can buy citizenship
you you can be from any country
in the world you can buy citizenship through his
like gold visa thing that he's so proud
of and then you can
pay more money and get access
to national security briefings
insane
well Whitney oh we're doing all this
to stop China Ryan it's
all of our freedoms and in all
normal laws we have to
suspend uh to
stop those guys
it's I mean it's just
yeah I mean I think this has been
clear today and I hope this can
build for people out there thank you Whitney
hope we'll talk again soon and hope everybody's
listening because this is still happening
as any final words before we wrap up
uh no just uh stay tuned
for a lot of cool stuff this year from
unlimited hangout new video shows
uh new articles we'll have a new one
coming out really soon about Leslie
Wexner that is very spicy
um and a new print
magazine in a couple of months outstanding
all right I don't know if you can
see my thumbs up it was just the thumb
well thank you
for tuning in today as always everybody
out there question everything come to
your own conclusions stay vigilant