Hello and welcome to the King Hero's Journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens. It's November 5th at 5 p.m. Central Standard Time
So if you haven't been to this podcast before welcome great to have you here
I just want to make a few announcements before we get started Tom Barnett is joining us for an interview today
I'm super super excited. I was lucky to see him in an archipelago last February in
Person and I've had this in mind ever since so
We've had a time change here
I know a lot of people have experienced that I was thinking that the government should create or our government should create a
department of time change and just make it like okay, this is a thing and
Then they should install a new
Edition to the DSM and call it time change disorder
So I'm definitely suffering this disorder and it seems to be a cumulative over a lifetime
So it is getting worse and I think that qualifies me for benefits. What do you guys think?
let me know in the chat and
So tomorrow there might have been some confusion about this interview
I'm praying and hoping that enough people caught on to the time we had to reschedule from last week
So I'm super happy that we could do this now and I did mess up the time
looks like we're live on rumble by the way and
Fakebook and YouTube if you want to jump in the comments and let me know that you're there
That'd be awesome. Also on vigilante TV if that worked out and then tomorrow
I am hosting Mike Wilkerson who's also known as stallions stallion 7 at
230 p.m. Central standard time that is a change from our original scheduled 3 p.m.
So you can check all of the links
I will drop them in the in the chat as we go
But you'll find them in the interviews themselves either on YouTube or rumble can't be set up in advance when I'm running another stream
So they're just all these little funny complications, but without further ado, I'm going to bring Tom on
Hello Tom welcome howdy Beth thanks for having me good to see you very welcome very welcome
Yeah, yeah between detoxing and time zone changes and
Rescheduling and all that kind of thing I got a little thrown off. So apologies to maybe I didn't you're probably the only person
I didn't confuse
Yeah, and I was you know, we I'm used to it. We're used to it in Australia. It's always a company in changing times
Right, right. Yeah, you guys go through that as well, right? Okay
So we're super super or I'm super excited to talk today about free will which is my favorite
Subject so much so that I named my association the house of free will and
Welcome Ronix so I can see Facebook is working. That's awesome
And yeah, this is a pretty fun subject for me
And I didn't think it was the first time I ever heard anything like it
But the question that is free will actually a given so we're gonna explore that at length
What what that is some people would say we don't have free will at all and that not only
You're you're positing that it's earned not just given and then some people think it doesn't exist
That maybe it's all fate. It's all
Predetermined or something like that. I don't think you're coming from that place
So we will get deep into it
and I just wanted to ask you a couple of questions in advance and get you to
Introduce yourself if there's anything that you want to share about what you're up to these days
I know a lot of people in this community already know you but it never hurts for the person that doesn't know you
To have a better sense of who you are
Sure, so thanks for having me and for those that don't know my name's Tom and I
previously my profession was a holistic health practitioner and
As I was growing through that journey
I was getting more and more disillusioned with the world and
Dropped out to take up film and photography
So I decided that I would just live a life behind the lens not really participate in society or the world and just help
tell other people's stories
until
2020 and that's when I made a video for myself called can you catch a virus because I was just I couldn't believe people were falling for the
COVID thing and
then I tried to avoid the attention that came out for a while, but
After a few months of trying to avoid that attention. I eventually had to start making my own content again
And so I've been since teaching people about how
Essentially if we boil it down, it's all natural law even when I was doing health and holistic health
That's still natural law and so today it's more about
Combining the aspects of how this realm is governed so that people can find themselves to a better degree and then live a better life
As a result more on their terms
That's beautiful. I love that
by the way before I forget I wanted to thank you so much for when we did meet in
Narkapoko and I went like kaboom down with a you know what detox
I guess is the only way really to describe that and
you showed up and
Brought me some homeopathy and that meant a lot to me. So in case I didn't express that I just want to let you know
Yeah, welcome. Yeah. Yeah, it was so nice to me
Yeah, no, that was a bummer because it happened on like the second day or something in it was it was a good
It was a good time and just hanging with the crew there in Mexico
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it was super fun and very
bizarre
perspective from my my place wasn't what I planned to be to be laying out I made it for the
They call it that it wasn't the introduction but the orientation. So I made it for that and then the next day it was just over like
Yeah, yeah, kind of crazy
I kind of vowed that I'm not going back to Mexico during that trip
Like there's just so many things that are really hard and the travel
I'm really glad they moved the location over to Puerto Vallarta because it's so much easier to get to I
Don't know where that is. But yeah, I knew that that was the last one where we had it
So kind of cool that we've got the last one there, I guess
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's special in its own right, but there's I don't know a lot of things just the travel for a Canadian
It's insane. It took me two days to get there and two days to get back
So, yeah, yeah, I'm happy for them. So we're gonna. Yeah, go ahead. No, I didn't think it was that far. That's crazy
Yeah, it's stupid over nights in poison hotels and and the have you noticed by the way before we get into it
Since you do a lot of traveling for your work that the whole, you know
Security and the regulations and everything has just become so exponentially absurd
Well in Australia, it's already kind of the worst so it didn't really seem overly bad to me
The only difference was when we left the states to go to Mexico. You had to take your shoes off to go through the
And I'm like, of course people kind of like made sense. I didn't find it overly
Obtrusive at all, but obviously I can see that it is getting more that way for sure
I think we all have different experiences though
like I've been telling people this on different podcasts like we generally have pretty good runs going through airports and
You notice that
Certain people seem to have more of an issue and more than others and I think it's the way we're carrying ourselves through the world in
general, I think that has a lot to do with it, but
Yeah, I've heard people swear that they'll never get on a flight again since kind of 2020 and I'm kind of why
I don't know why you would stop the idea of something
Preventing you go into another land to experience something new because it's like when people said don't go to the states
It's horrible and we had a great time in the states and they say I don't go to
So in play every place we went to the people said don't go there. We had an amazing time
Like they people think that because of what they hear on social media or this construct of their mind that has been implanted
Or that they've created it really prevents them living a life
So me and summer we just don't want it to let that happen. So, um, you know, even if things get more
Stringent at airports will still have ways to deal with that
Right, right. Yeah, there is so many individual experiences in the world of regulation and law and the you know, navigating the public that
I've seen that over time where certain
Circumstances other people like literally during the 2020 mask thing. I was with a friend who didn't
Want to fight with the store clerk and she just would mask up and go in and I said, well, you know what?
We'll go in together. I've been getting my needs met without a mask
We'll go in together and and maybe we'll just be able to shop freely
Well, we both came in at the same time two people headed us off. So we got split up
I had an interaction exchange with one of the people and they let me stay and then they made her leave
Right, so we were like right together, but there was exactly what you're saying
She had this paradigm that oh, I'm gonna get caught. They won't let me
And and that's exactly what ended up happening to her. So that was fascinating
Yeah, it's a lot of times especially if we believe we're doing something wrong
We'll act like we're doing something wrong and that begets a different result from somebody who has a different knowing
Which is all, you know, that's everything that I helped to
Talk about these days is how and why that occurs and why it's so important to get to know yourself because without that
and you're hoping for things like
Rules or laws or somebody else to save you or some kind of
Believe system to save you it really can only go so far and most often it doesn't really give you a real world
Result so part of it is the reason that you would have had that result
Is just because you know, you're not doing anything wrong. You're just standing in who you are
Moving into where you know, you can go whereas somebody else is kind of going
I'm a bad girl. I'm a bad boy. I remember whatever they're kind of like in that childlike state
And then expecting
Almost a result or hoping for something, but it's not who they are. So they they only they're only really going to get
An expression or a representation of who they are not what they really want or because they're like that unconscious belief system's gonna overrule
the
That one every day of the week
Exactly. Yeah, it's kind of like it's not just dogs that smell fear everybody
Somewhere registers fear. So if you have that then that's part of the mix and part of the influence
Also say that it's it's you know, you can have you have you notice this also that you can be in a really good place
And you're not coming from fear and you know who you are
You don't feel like you're doing anything wrong, but they still throw the book at you
Somehow yeah, yeah, and that would that would indicate that that's part of a hero's journey to begin from that point
Nice. Yeah, that's a beautiful reframe because when I was going through
to uh, an archipelago, I had to pass our u.s. American
border in in winnipeg right in our our
Airport we we move into the u.s.
And I went up and I I felt just fine and there was like no problem
And I I went to the guy and I said I'd like to opt out of the facial recognition cameras
Please being polite. No no, you know, no pride around it
I I just fully expected that I could opt out opt out and he goes oh
Well come with me then like this he just and and they threw the book at me. They ended up fingerprinting me
On threat of I wasn't going to go anywhere. I mean I could have backed out of the trip
But that didn't seem like a good option at the time by any means and yeah
They were super abusive and yelling at me and stuff and it was like wow, okay
That was a really good start to the trip
Yeah, wow
Yeah, yeah, it was a time when
Also, all the tariffs were happening and they were manufacturing a lot more conflict between the u.s. And canada
So I wondered if there was a little bit of that in the mix just the politics of the day
Same thing happened coming through the u.s
To return from a mec from mexico. It was the same thing. I tried to opt out and he's going
Oh, just go stand over there then
Right all right. Yeah, and I said to him. Well, are you forcing me to do this camera? He said yes, and I said, okay
I'll then I'll do it
Yeah, that's just when you that's just uh, so in a situation like that
It's just knowing how to handle that like what's breaking down what's actually happening
So no one can force you to do that. You just have to then question how and why and what they're doing
It's um, which is
Obviously involved it takes a little bit of time to practice that kind of like a martial art
You know, you people say
I got shoved up against the wall and there was nothing I could do or I just went with it and it's like well
You know, there's a lot of things you could do but first you need to know what to do
You have to train that so that it becomes
a um natural
Mechanism that's within you not thinking or having to like you're not stunned as that happens to try to think about
What to do and then you do the repetitions to make that part of you
So it's very similar to I call it verbal jujitsu essentially because when you're dealing with people like that
They have a preset paradigm and anything outside of that might make them aggressive or
Because they don't even know what they're doing half of the time
And the reason they get away with it is because people don't know how to call that out in the moment
In a way that will still keep them safe and not aggregate aggravate them further or cause
You know like physical
altercations or something like that
so
Yeah, there's definitely ways because people think that it's going that way and that's just the way it is but if
If they do that to somebody who knows what's going on
They're not going to get very far with doing that and actually be there undoing
But not enough people really know how to handle those situations yet. So that's one of the reasons why
in that realm
Those types of people think that they can just push it way further than their actual powers of responsibility
Allow them to do
So yeah, it does exist for sure, but um doesn't have to
So do you mind if I ask I hear everything that you're saying do you mind if I ask
This was the part that I couldn't respond to they both on both
The entry me and the exit said you have no rights here
So is that because I was in the u.s
So
You mean as a canadian you have no rights in the u.s. That's right
So the way it works in australia for example is that and I've done this in an airport where the
Staff at the airport say that I can't do something
And they say that it's because it's airport policy
So I just bring up the fact that I just ask a say
So does the airport write the laws because what they're kind of saying without saying it?
Which is what I call out is are you saying that you are higher up than federal laws?
So is there a federal law that says that an airport staff can do whatever to a patron?
Because you're in a commercial environment. It's privatized. So it's like run by
What it's a private environment. So
A company can't tell somebody what to do with their body or whatever
They can have their policies like you can't come in unless you dress well
That's fine
But you also then can't discriminate so you can't say you're not wearing
You know the right label
Or something or you're black or you're um asian you can't do that
But if you're not dressed well, that's not discrimination. That's just look you just don't meet our standards of entry into this premises and as a private
You know a company or a private enterprise you have the right to do that
But you don't have the right to infringe on people's actual rights which come under federal laws and legislations
So there's that's why uh, a lot of this gets muddied up is people think that because they're in a position of a private company
That they are somehow that's the law, but it's not they're in many many cases. They're actually going against the laws
So when you actually bring that to attention they they can back down real fast because they realize that not only can they get in trouble for that
um, but it can be pretty
I mean when I say trouble, I mean they can it can be pretty bad if you're doing that at that level
So it's just
Having that as a knowing so that you're not freaking out and you're picking your battles because that's the main thing is learning how to
Pick battles and if you if you pick the wrong battle, it's always going to go bad
And if you put in too much of a reaction or too much force or something that doesn't require that it's going to go bad
Because of the equal and opposite
Reaction so again, it's just like it's a learning process like anything, you know, somebody feels freaked out
they generally overreact and
And when it's like something physical when they don't need to so that will usually cause more harm to them. So
um, yeah, there's a lot in it, but
When you're in another country
Sometimes I won't we're in Mexico
I was never going to pretend that I knew how to handle Mexican police because I don't I didn't even speak the language
So I'm not going to do the same things that I would do in Australia in Mexico because I got to know who I am
I got to know the the new jungle that I I'm in and where I'm at in the pecking order because I don't know the lay of the land
So
There would be different. However in a like a Commonwealth English speaking
Country, I would definitely be standing my ground a lot more and asking those kinds of questions
Um, is that the case for a Canadian citizen in America? I don't know
but I would I would highly doubt that you're uh
You're considered to have no rights
Because you're in an airport. Um, when you get to a border, this is probably going too deep into it. We don't it'll confuse people
But when you're at a border, it's just a quickly say yeah
Just to quickly say this is the border in both cases
It was the border because they've got those installed in airports
For those border passings. So you're actually in the same airport. You're going from one country to the next country
And what I noticed is that the the borders have
extraordinary power in a very small jurisdiction
And we got detained at the border coming from
From the u.s. Into Canada driving as well being way too casual
And uh, and and I was arguing about the charge of something
They wanted to charge me duty on something and they quoted me more money inside than they did outside
So I said, oh
What's this and he goes the same thing. Oh, you can just go sit over there then and I'm like, you know what?
We need to get home. I'll pay your extortion fee and we'll we'll get out of here
He didn't like that turns out. I'll I'll never use the word extortion fee again in in authority
And uh, and they called over the guys with the guns and as I tried to leave they surrounded me and I'm like, um
Am I being detained and he said no, but all of your possessions and vehicle are
Like this and it's like, oh, okay. Wow
And I did try some of the like, oh, you know
Not using the words good goods and trying to say, you know, these are my just my personal personal effects and stuff like that
And and and it escalated and they got mad and really upset and
Stuff so yeah, yeah, well, you know, you know the expression if you give an inch they'll take a mile
That's what happens is when in the in the initial interaction when it's
Kind of made evident who you who you are in relation to the offer or the claim
That it can just go down here real fast
I see that all the time when in police interaction videos on youtube where people
Think that because they've learned some kind of common law stuff or whatever they think that they know how to um
Handle a traffic stop and immediately when when they say the first words to the police officer
I I can already tell what the outcome is going to be because it's um, yeah, it's not it's not going to go
Well, that's for sure
Yeah, that was a great error on my part. Yeah. Yeah, and then they ended up finding airsoft guns in the in the truck
They should not have been there
You know
They acted like they were real and he's jumping up and down going you could turn us into a real
Firearm, you know, you're like, no, we know we can't but by that point like you said it had already
Tumbled way down. Yeah, you've got to learn how to handle. Yeah, that's a whole other topic that would take me like
That that's a whole thing that would take hours to teach people how to handle that sort of stuff
And why things go that way and how to prevent it. It's not really a podcast kind of um
Subject and there's the dog the dogs just let himself in i'm gonna have to put him outside one second. Okay
No worries, yeah, I couldn't help asking his opinion on those things
Those funny things it did teach me big time when I got in trouble like that of my son was with me
It taught him he grew up a lot that night
And uh, yeah, so I won't press it like tom said it's more like that's more like a workshop
and I totally understand and uh ron was saying tom had a huge impact on you
Welcome to at coke seems predetermined with some choice. Yeah, interesting. We'll get into it. Hello, stacey sunshine
Nice to see you. Maybe we have choices, but could also be predetermined. So yeah, well, it's we're gonna really get into it now
um
so
Just as a way to kind of introduce things
I'm curious what of your beliefs have changed over the last say almost six years that could be in law health
or various arenas
Uh
Well, that's a good question. Um, uh beliefs
Um, or how you see things how you learn something
I I guess the the nature of the realm. I think until about 2019. I thought we're on a ball
um
A lot of things made more sense after I started to dissolve that kind of
illusion and narrative
Things that I used it's funny because when I was hearing other people talk about it like santos bonacci and other people
They would still teach their same
Principles and a lot of it comes from Vedic scripture and what have you and they were applying it to like a
A um heliocentric model
But then it didn't really change what they were teaching it just made things make more sense and it gave more
Breaks to it once they dissolved that paradigm and came to a another one
So I guess for me it's I've always questioned beliefs
Since I was young it's why I was a like a quote-unquote troublemaker in school because I really felt that a lot of beliefs
Like all beliefs were a form of ignorance because I'm like, but if you believe something it means you don't know it
So you're trying to bridge a gap between not knowing and wanting to know so there's that's what a belief is
And um, it used to really rub people
it was it was quite a um
Especially coming from a young person to an adult
It was very abrasive towards an adult to hear a younger person say that because it was kind of threatening to them
and they'll and so that didn't go well a lot of times but
uh, I've always just for myself tried not to hold on to a belief system and and
I could have beliefs but I'd always hold that there's a possibility that's not true
So what if my what if my strongest belief isn't true? I would always hold that as a possibility as well
So then when something comes to me like there are you can't catch viruses or then your viruses don't even really exist
Or when maybe not on this nasa ball. It's really easy for me to just go. Okay. Yeah, I can see a
Okay, like I don't hold on to something so dearly. It's like a death
if my belief of something is threatened then and
Certainly wouldn't kill somebody over it, you know, like a lot of people have done in the past
I know I know exactly. Yeah, I sometimes when I ask questions about
Beliefs I have to swap out knowing because you know, a lot of people have become enlightened about their beliefs being
Not necessarily based in reality that they're something that if I use a polite term
It's it's like when you don't know then you make shit up
That's that's the tendency that I've recognized in myself and people
Sure. Yeah, and it's you you're kind of like joining imaginary dots with something that's not really there and it's cool
That's how we function as well
You know, some of it's a survival mechanism to feel safety and security even if it's not really there
You try to create it some way, which is like there's nothing wrong with that
But for yourself on a personal level, I think it's important to realize that
Most oftentimes we don't actually know when being super like
Strongheaded about something will be at the detriment of something internal within you
It'll wear out an organ or a gland system. It'll prevent you accessing something deep within you
That is actually going to provide that for real
So we're swapping picture for substance and so on and so forth. So yeah, I mean everybody's different
But for me, I try not to hold on to beliefs too hard
Right, right exactly
And the heart I think the harder maybe you just said this but the harder you hold on to
Belief I think the more obligated the world is to give us circumstances that don't fit
That don't work or you know that the belief can't function and
Absolutely, we could be free that way speaking of
So you were one of the first or or the first is certainly the first to me that came out
In 2020 and and really questioned that is there actually
a virus
Out there and so how did you come to that knowledge?
I'm going to be having Christine Massey on pretty soon
I'm like super late to the party on that but I'm sure you know who she is
How did you come across that?
Knowledge and and did did you believe in viruses before then?
And that's what yeah, I did
I did because I studied medicine and I got really sick early
It was like 20 early 20s. So which was 2002
So I
Was in trying to find out why I was so ill
It was always leading to like a virus or viruses and so on and so forth
So that was always in my mind like that was the reality and I had the had that as a belief system
So then what happened was in my studies because I was studying holistic health. I came across
Steiner and Antoine Baychamp
And they were kind of like the contemporaries that were against like the antithesis to louis pasture who was talking about
pasteurization and germs and incantations and things like that
So I I was very open to it when I came across it because it sounded like intellectually kind of right
And that's gonna have to let me he's actually trying to get out now
Okay
I think he was a cat wanting to go out. He's not even he's not even our dog
He's um, we're just saying that this property and he's he's uh, we love him
He's just like our best friend now, but he actually knows how to open the glass door. So I have to lock it
Oh
Fun
That's hilarious. Oh good. That's better than a cat
Yeah, but um, but so I I was very open to it
But I didn't I was kind of like
I get it and it makes sense intellectually in that but I was kind of like but
Life is showing me something different. Like I was here
They were there this happened
So I'm like had to really work through but I was very open
I never just rejected it straight away. I was quite open to it. So I went through my own
series of experimentation and things and wanted to make sure that I was experiencing it
In real life. So it was a life experience not just a knowledge based thing
That's just running around in my head, which is you know, what a lot of us do us is
We learned something we project that we learned something we project it like it's real
But we've never embodied it. We haven't had the life experience of it
We can't it's not an inner knowing where we can stand on that and just it is just that is
How it is as opposed to it's a belief that like it's a knowledge thing that we just keep recycling around
Um different mediums. So then it was so that by the time I was like sure of that it was about 2012
So from 2012 to 2020 was like eight years. I had eight years of
Really
Not only with myself but working with people who were clients at the time on why
There's no such thing as a contagion like a physical contagion. There is an energetic contagion
Which is another story, but there's no physical germ and there's no physical virus in particular. So that's how I came to that
And then yes, I went 2020 rolled around. I was already out of holistic health doing film and photography
Trying to just ignore the whole thing
And but then I had to speak and speak about it
Right. What was that like when you saw everybody's going crazy?
Was there any trepidation of any kind when you thought about speaking out or what was the spirit of that?
No, I I just um
in my egoic
self
I just can't sometimes I just sometimes I just still can't believe people do stuff
Like I'll be driving along and someone's slowing down to like 40 in an 80 zone
And I'm like there is no part of me that can comprehend unless you're having a heart attack
Which I can see that you're not because you're just yapping
There is nothing in me that can comprehend why you're doing that
so
When it was 2020 I was like come on like I can't I
I was telling some people what I thought of it and they went they'll argue with me
I'm like, why are you arguing me like I don't have time for this is stupid
So I made a video that was supposed to go to 20 or 30 friends that were just continually asking me questions
yet also arguing with me and I'm just like
So I was a little bit flippant in that video
Like you just saw my attitude then towards I can't I don't have time for that kind of attitude
Which is my own attitude as well sounds like there
But so I made the video thinking no one would see it except for those 30 people
but it ended up getting shared like a million times so
I had to then deal with the um with
The next day going out in the street and people like oh, that's the guy from the video
And I'm like holy shit like everybody in town saw it and then and then I realized everybody
Well, not everybody but he's people throughout the world saw it and so that was a big paradigm shift for me and
uh in needing to not only handle being recognized but to walk the walk because I said some very bold things in that video like
And imagine being wrong about that like that could cost people their lives, you know
Like it's it's one thing to make um clickbait ragebait videos on
The internet just to make some wild claim
But the thing is if you do that and that claim is wrong and that claim kills people that could be like really bad
But I knew I wouldn't but it's just like
there's there's meeting that potential
uh energetic energetic that can come uh from that like it's very it's very strong
so that was a part of my hero's journey to to be able to move through that and um and
Step into that and take that up as a role and standing on the message that I was delivering
Which was a big thing for me
Amazing. Yeah, and I think a lot of us have that I I remember seeing that exact video if I'm not mistaken
and uh, there was I I was on my little teeter totter wondering how to navigate and uh,
I don't remember it really specifically, but I I remember this rising up and it's like, you know what if there's ever a time to speak
It is now
If if if I'm ever going to regret not speaking up it would be now
And and was there a price to pay for that by the way?
No, um, I mean it wasn't easy, but I so I mean yes, but it took the backlash and relationships and oh
Yeah, but but um, I didn't see it as as uh as a price
I mean it was not easy, but I didn't see it as a price because it was part of
shedding of many things
And so it was always worth it. It was always a sacrifice to be to gain something that I had to earn which was then worthwhile
So yeah, I just I wouldn't have done it. I mean, I would have done it a little more uh, sophisticated
But um, I wouldn't have changed what I did
That's beautiful great courage
helped a lot of us and um
So I'm curious just before we dive in with free will
Is there anything in what I would term to be the alternative law movement that
Your knowing has changed about in the last six years since since 2020
Well, okay. Yeah, that's a good one. Um
I guess when I first started out in that which was
like
2010 or something like that
It was more about
Like resisting and fighting something like here is this system. It's wrong and this is what's right
And so they don't go together. So they have to battle each other
And that really didn't get very far and I saw so many people
You know really not when I say fail. I mean they they got uh
Crash that I think yeah bad things happen to them
Let's just say that and then there were I saw a lot of people taking people for a ride and charging a lot of money
For things people lost houses people went to jail
People lost their life savings
People's lives fell apart from from a lot of it
And the reason is is because I believe that people were coming at it from a pure place of projecting onto something that I really didn't understand
So the reason that I share the way I shared is because I'm coming from a place of knowing who you are first and foremost
Which then leads to judgment discernment picking battles knowing who you are standing and then that's how you enter into the world
And that gives a much much different and much more favorable result than like
Let's do this process or you only have to say these words to a police person at a checkpoint or something like that
Which almost invariably does nothing except cause harm
Because people don't know who they are so they're not going through that kind of checklist of like why is this interaction happening
What is that really who am I really?
And then what's the standing relative to one another and then how do you pick battles and etc etc
And how do you handle that? How do you stay stand in and stay in your power?
And what is that power because it's not from a law. It's not from a piece of paper. It's not from like
Some
This government thing but that government thing and it's kind of like it's it doesn't really work that way in my experience
So from when I started
Um to what I do now it's much
It's just completely
at odds to how I started out because that's how I learned obviously, you know, as a natural kind of
Rebellious rebellious person or a free thinker or whatever you want to call it
Um, I was always questioning things like society and rules and and laws like why and how and what and
So it's obviously, you know, you build up a bit of um anger and resentment and tension
And then that kind of once you realize there's something you could say or there's a piece of paper
That's different from what that you just like whoa, it's like this outpouring of I knew that was a way
I knew there was hope or whatever. So then it's a little bit too much of that fighting
Uh energy that goes into it or uh, I'm better than you or you can't do this to me or whatever
Not everybody's like that, but that's a very common
Uh energetic that goes along with it, which is why it doesn't really work out well
And even the people that have been in it for decades and still doing the same thing
Even if they get sporadic
Results that they can kind of share with people and say therefore this works
They're generally quite quite withered and gnarled and and very cynical about the world
And i'm like, even if you're right even if what you're doing is correct
I don't want to be like that in 10 years time. That does not look like a fun life
Like that normie over there in my opinion has a better life than that guy
Who's this anarchist guy who knows all of these legislative things, you know, who's who's the head satanist of whatever
And i'm like, I don't care like that's you look bad. You look better. I would rather be a normie than like that
Obviously, there's a middle ground
Which is what i'm trying to help people uh figure out
Sorry, I was muted. Uh, I did get a message that there was an echo on your side and i'm curious if you guys can give me some feedback
On the chat. I assume you're not hearing the echo tom
Wait, hello
I can't hear an echo
Right. So yeah
No, I can't hear any echo. It sounds clean to me
But uh halfway through when you were talking I muted just in case that was the
The case but yeah, so if anyone else wants to let us know if there's they're hearing echoes, then we'll troubleshoot that
So, um, yeah, so let's talk about free will how would you define that?
So I can't remember what it was that you saw that you reached out to me to want to
talk about it, um
Do you remember what it was that I
Yeah, yeah, I rewatched it and uh, I should have rewatched it like again today just to get it really specifically into my mind
um
Yeah, I'm I'm like a trap door on the concept of free will what were you talking about?
It like basically just the punchline that it it's not a given it's not something that yeah
So sorry, I can't give you more context. I should
Oh, that's right. I was just wondering if it's just to give context to how you saw it, but
um
I've for a long time really not thought that we've had free will because of the amount of times that I
thought that I exercised it but then grew through something because I'd learned something new
I'd earned something different
I'd sacrificed to actually have more of it and then I go, okay
Well, what I had then wasn't really free will because you could argue and say it's relative free will and that would be correct
so for example
Like if I said I'm like look Beth
I really like you so I'm going to give you your choice of pens in his three
There's yellow green and purple and you're like good. I'm going to use my free will and take purple
But behind my back. There's also red
Indigo like what like what why haven't I given you those so you kind of like
Oftentimes it's an illusion like in the in the context of what I'm offering
You could say you have free will to even not take one or whatever
But then there's so many other forces at play that are there to cause illusions and trick and what have you that it's
I don't believe it's actual free will that that we have
Until we've gone through enough
You know like learning experiences we've earned
The ability to actually discern and see through illusions and that's where we can have a lot more free will because a lot of people
Don't even really know what they're doing with their life. So how can they really?
Have free will in that context
So the context is that based on what people know. Yeah, sure
They can have free will based in the context of what they they know and what they have in front of them
But the fact that there's so much more to not just life but their life and them that they haven't uncovered yet
That's why I say it's like it's earned because if it was given
There's if you look at people's lives and what they're choosing it's kind of it doesn't really represent
It's kind of like you can predict it down to a T
Which indicates that it's programmed more than it's chosen
So then our choices programmed and you can add into that kind of conversation as well and in some cases
I believe that they are
Once somebody's gone through enough. So for example, a lot of what we do. It's just we're projecting from our
Our shadow traits. We're projecting from programs
We're projecting from our parents that are running through us like how are we free if we're shackled by
The programs from even just our parents and that's just the tip of the iceberg
So that's kind of the premise of it. We can talk about like any kind of
Or debate on any kind of facet of that that's just kind of like the overall premise of it. Obviously, there's a lot more to it
but that would be the
The the cliff notes
Nice, I found the video and it's only two minutes and 15 seconds
Should I put it on and then you could get a little bit more context? Yeah, sure
Okay, that sounds good. I'll do that right now
And looks like the echo is gone. That's excellent. It's like hearing that
And so I will start this up
And people get excited about their own demise
It's a beautiful thing. I think when people wake up because there's this mix of excitement and trepidation
I think also a fairly predetermined set of parameters in how they react to waking up. So it's
It's trepidous because you you wonder how deep does it go? Is it all a program? Is it all controlled?
Is it all about taking from us? So we do we have any say in this world?
Do we have any rights? Do we have is anything healthy anymore or the sky's healthy as a soil healthy is anything
For us and not to take from us mixed with a bit of excitement because it's all new
So you have access to new information access to new possibilities and it actually can when those two are not
Integrated and balanced out you can find that the trepidation and the excitement actually marry together
And people get excited about their own demise. So there's a tool song called vicarious
Eye on the TV because tragedy thrills me whatever flavor it happens to be people are enthralled by
Tragedy and death and destruction because it's equally like appalling and enthralling and when people do not separate and integrate those parts of their
Shadow persona because we all have the capacity for evil. We all have the capacity for destruction and death and all the other things and we also as
Hopefully good souls. We have the capacity for great empathy and love and protection and morals
and
What happens is those can get
Mudded up as have been saying
So we get excitedly trepidous about the world that surrounds us
Which means that we are excitedly trepidous about our internal world
Which means it's probably not the most happy place to be nor is it safe
Nor is it necessarily moral
And nor is it going to be fruitful
It's going to be fruitful for the program that is there that will play out over time to a very very specific set of outcomes
That have already been predetermined
Hence why I say and a lot of other people also say that we do not actually have free will
We have to earn the free will we have to be willing to go within and to break down a lot of these programs and constructs
Before we can even glimpse free will let alone use it
So accessing and using effectively are again two very different things
Am I muted
Sorry those auto plays are very annoying. I guess you didn't want to watch friends after that
No
Hello to for gardener nice to see you
in common
Since jilliet says you don't have free will if your land has a reserve bank, right?
So these are some of the nuances around
Around free will and so is there anything more that you'd like to say?
Having seen the context first
I guess that's kind of how I gave it before you played that because I do for me
The what I've learned over time is it does have a lot to do with constructs and programs and like I said a lot of people are
Living and a lot of us because we still are like I'm not through all of my programs yet
I know that that's why I don't hold on to belief systems to any degree of veracity because
I'm like the amount that I've been through already surely, you know some of what I have now is still
Of the same kind of energetic
so
I think that that's what binds us
And we do have the free will to overcome that but the thing is you have to earn that like are you willing to do that?
What are you willing to sacrifice to do that?
What are you willing to do to do that what heroes journey are you willing to go on?
In order to break through that through that throughout that cycle come out the other side
With more free will and what you started with but I do believe it has to be earned
Um, I just can't look around the society and believe that people are exercising free will and that it's innately given to them
I think innately it's there as a potential for sure
Just like we innately have the potential if you're not a muggle for
magic of sorts
And uh, but you have to access that and what are you going to do to access that? You know, it's not just like oh, it's just there
You know like it is but it isn't like it's there, but you have to earn it. You have to access it
How do you access that it's not just given and and that's the nature of the realm?
I believe it's like I just don't think that we're given things innately and when I hear
Not not to put anyone down at all, but when people get super like
They get
So when when people can't even entertain the idea that it's opposite like we're talking before with belief systems
The reason that I I could let go of them so easily was because I always held the possibility
That wasn't true whatever I believed in like the earth or whatever or viruses. So
When people just argue straight away, they're like, no, it's this and we're definitely given free will this is
But they're not giving any evidence for it. I'm like, well, why do you need that and to me?
What it means is that
They're kind of in that childlike state still because if they don't have it
How are they going to feel like they have any kind of state in this world whatsoever?
And that's so scary and frightening for them that they lock down hard or on note
I definitely have free will we're all given it. We don't have to earn it
It's kind of like, you know, when people don't want to get off
You know
They want a universal basic income because they just they don't want to earn it
They just want to have it because no, I should have it
I'm entitled to it and I don't want to have to like dig deep and find a value that
Clearly isn't presenting itself to the world right now because I'm in the position that I'm in
And I just gonna have to I just want to believe that it's there already without me having to dig there and find it
Because I don't know where to find it. So it's too scary. So they just go no, no
We definitely deserve universal basic income. That's my value
And I see the same similarity with free will when people just lock down and they're like, no
We definitely have free will I don't have to dig in there and find it
So that's why I say that it's most of what people are doing is it's an expression of a program or a construct
That's playing out and that's why it's so predictable and that's why it's in such a limited
Amount of parameters behavioral characteristics actions reactions thoughts feelings
Even the even the creative pursuits
So almost like down to a T you can you can predict that sort of stuff and then that would also be another indicator
Is anyway, that's just how I see it. I don't say everybody has to believe it
But that's just the topic of conversation
No, I I like seeing through other people's eyes. I'm like you that I would rather go into a conversation
I only put the question mark to make it a little bit more compelling
rather than, you know, just a claim that this is an open inquiry, but
I I like where you're coming from it because
With it because you know, you look at certain people or maybe at yourself at times of your life
Maybe it's not as much the case for me right now
But then something can happen and I'll go back there and I will act as if I don't have free will
I'll act as if I have to this or I have to that
And so therefore it's like that free will doesn't exist because it's not being expressed
Even if it's there in potential
Yeah, for sure. It's I do. Yeah, it's there in potential for sure. I think one of the Taoist quotes that
Ties in really nicely is the doing nothing and leaving nothing undone
Because the guy that can actually do nothing and leave nothing undone is free
The minute you have intent towards something or a strong pull towards something. It's not you that's coming from somewhere else
So whatever actions occur from that projection is not of free will
You can kind of try to find free will in that in ways, but it's kind of like a flavor of it
It's not the real thing the guy that can actually
Do nothing and leave nothing undone then has access to free will but not many people can do that
Naturally people generally have to earn that through a lot of letting go and a lot of a lot of inner work
Exactly. I've been diving in with the Bhagavad Gita
I went to India eight times and I used to spend a lot of time in there and I wrote a bunch of music to the verses
I learned enough Sanskrit to be able to pronounce them properly
But I had kind of left it behind it was more in my past just on recordings and stuff like that
And then so that's that's one of the primary tenants if you call it tenants in the in the the Gita is this what what I
Have learned to call non-doership
Where you you feel like you're not doing anything, but it's exactly that you leave nothing undone
Is that the same idea that you're definitely yeah, it's it's that it's that ability to
Humble yourself and quiet yourself enough that life works through you so you're kind of getting the
You're tapping into the flow of the nature of things as opposed to the thinking mind that's trying to like force things
There's another quote that says the world is not governed through interference
So it's like the more we're fixated on interfering and doing and fighting and changing the less we're actually doing
The more actually build continuing to build the construct that is there that we're trying to oppose or fight or bring down
So it's very similar concepts
Right, right beautiful. And how would you define a program?
You did you did rattle off like you know some thoughts and feelings and that kind of thing
But is there any way that you define that this is my whole subject? So I'm always looking at this
Yeah, I would just define it as something that's not inherently you so there's the like imagine you've got like a
I don't know like a device
And the device is just a blank slate
It has the ability to do many things it has this amount of like
Ram and gigabytes of whatever that it can do potentially
But until it's got a program put into it. It doesn't really know what to do with information or or how to output
So a program is something that's installed into us and how it's installed is either through an event and experience
A thought form if our boundaries and energetics are low that we can also be
Open to being permeated
With programs, but we're also come in with a pre determined set which is ancestral
So that's a blueprint as well
So it's not always bad programs aren't a bad thing
Some programs are obviously very favorable and good. They're part of what makes us and what drives us
However, they also always have a shadow component that can be the detriment to us
Then the other ones are once we enter into the world then we are
In this realm of just constant information around us and that that does program us through various means and that's why
programming tools such as media
music television
storytelling
And then even behaviors like how you inflect something to somebody in real life
That's why military and police are trained to do that is to program into people
subservience and in the way that speech patterns
So everything is designed to be program
A program and we are a programmable entity
But when we start to get to know ourselves we start to be
We're not as permeable to that from outside forces
And we can clear out some of the stuff that's inside that's not really serving us and get down to who we really are at our sole essence
which is
then external to the programs
And that's the journey for a lot of people that go on their quote-unquote spiritual path. He's really just to do that
Beautiful. I like that
Do you think this is always a
Question for me. I act as if this is true
So i'm curious what your thoughts are and I I really did borrow this from the alternative law movement about
You know, it comes to contracts and the way that we tacitly agree to them
So we're you know, we're not outright asked. Do you want to fry your brain on a smart meter?
Every day if they asked it that way you might as different but just by saying, okay, yes
I accept all of these
Arrangements that you've made that you are in fact agreeing to that and when it comes to programming like you said
It can come externally where authorities actually want to actively program us
Now here there's there's a little fine point that I
I suspect
There is an internal tacit agreement to programming
But that maybe at times of our life we're utterly
Resourceless to do anything about it like infants who are at the mercy who could die in a day or two without
proper care
And you know, so we are at the mercy at times
Of the programming around us like me being caught in this these little border things and them being so mad and
and
Overpowering me it was it was a kind of programming like because I you know accepted that
Agreed to that. So would you say that people agree to their own programming at some level?
Oh, yeah, definitely
um
Just I was coming up with different points as you were speaking but uh, overall, yeah, absolutely
I I do agree with that ties in perfectly with the free will thing because again, it's like what what are you accessing at the time
And why or why not? So it's a very similar topic
So when you're talking about um, have we already agreed to that? Yeah, absolutely
And why one of the reasons I believe that we here is to transcend that
some people don't take that up as a
As a um a path to take and that's fine
That's they they have the ability to do that and other people do I think that we are
By nature programmable and we do agree when you're talking about tested agreements though and contracts
the contract is
Voided the moment you actually know what it is and what's going on
there's a quote that says that um
Like with regards to the control of this realm
It's only controlled to the degree that you give it your that your attention allows once your attention
Once you start to harness that for yourself and it goes within
Then the control structures just don't have the power that they did they rely on that attention
And likewise, there are there are many tested agreements that that go along in society
Here's between a contract and an agreement is the consideration
So then people get confused. I like but if it's what's the consideration?
I didn't pay anything but we pay with a lot of different things we pay with our internal currencies
We pay with many different
Parts of us that are worth far more than you know one u.s. Dollar
So we are forming contracts energetically all the time
So when it's tested it's because we have formed the new like you said they don't say hey
Can I fire your brain with a wi-fi router or a smart meter?
Because people would be like what what are you talking about some people would still go?
Yeah, sure as long as I can get Netflix no problem
Some people some people would do that other people would would find that a bit strange, but what's happening is because the
You would think that the the very essence of an agreement is being voided
So we don't have the agreement or the contract because was there a meeting of the minds
Is there anything that says to you listen? This is what it's going to do
This is what we intend for it to do should you agree?
We'll install this in your house that doesn't happen does it?
But it it does on different levels because what's happening is that
Our
Standing relative to the offer is really really low and that's how we end up in these these agreements and contracts
But as we start to learn as we start to grow as we start to access free will as we start to undo the programs
Now we actually are on a level playing field and that's when we nullify agreements and contracts
and that's how we can
Either a you have that stuff not enter into our field as in it doesn't come into the first place
Or if it's there we can have it removed
And b on a on a higher level
It doesn't affect us in the same way because we don't have the agreements of what's entering into our field
so what
Can the simplest example I can give because I gave it so many times is
While we were traveling because we went through so many different airports
Um opting out of different scanners and whatever is always an option
One time though we're I think it was um going from
The states to Mexico some have said it she wanted to opt out of the
Scanners thing
And the the lady who was operating it got a bit stroppy like like with you not angry, but just kind of like stress
She's just like oh, yeah. Yeah, I just um
Yeah, you just have to wait over there. Well, like or for how long she's like, I don't know it'd be like half an hour
You know, so it's gonna be in that position of I don't have to
But I'm gonna be waiting for half an hour. We didn't have half an hour to wait
and
when
I showed some of that because she's very sensitive she would always get headaches going through machines
I'm like the the machine's not more powerful than you. It's literally like
The the amount of power in that
Is less than the amount of electrical potential in your fingernail
So it's you can't harm you
So if you if you stand in that standing relative to the offer and you put out
You emanate who you really are it won't affect you and since then she's she's gone through plenty and never had a headache
She's very sensitive and very um
tapped in and stuff
So that's why she would get headaches and now she just does not that doesn't happen
Not to say that it's good to always do that
But what I'm saying is that relative to the offer when you're standing increases because of digging deeper into who you are
And you access that that yes is there inherently as a potential, but it's not activated
So you you access and act activate that by being willing to do that by letting go of fear digging deeper into who you really are
And then expressing that into the world that wi-fi router or that smart meter is not going to fry the brain
Of a individual who is in their power and they're standing
Whereas it will to somebody else. Why because they're the agreements that they're forming is that that is who they are
relative to that because of ignorance because of so many other
Factors, but that's why we don't all live in the same. Well, I know if cofe is still on but one of the things that I learned for him was
um, we all experience
Well
Forget the way he put it, but he said we all experience our own individual son
So that the son that I look at isn't the same son that you would look at for example or experience
We experience it differently and that was that was very relative to a lot of the things that I was experiencing
But I hadn't heard it put that way and that that helped open my mind up
to whole other ways of saying things as well
so
Yeah, I mean agreements and contracts are a big big topic
But that hopefully that kind of summarizes how and why
We can come into these things
Thinking that we're not really consenting and contracting but we are but also how to overcome them
Right. Yeah, there's different levels of um, I've worked a lot with the victim archetype in my courses
And stuff like that and there's different levels of that
You know, people will even turn that on you reverse it and like, oh, don't be a victim
Meanwhile, you're being victimized
You're being harmed. You're you know, so if we keep using that example, hello to sum up by the way
Really nice to have met her
that if we use that example of going into that machine and
Sensitive or not sensitive. There is some harm that comes like it
That, you know, you if you put tissue under that machine, you will see how it's affected
There's there's reasons that people do opt out
But just with the simple shift of the idea that she has more power
Then she was able to mitigate the harm
of that
And so what's my question about that?
um
Maybe there isn't one. I don't know if you want to say the thing is yeah
Well, the thing is is that the the extension of that
We'll go look let's go backwards and then we'll do the extension the going backwards is that
Yes, there is biological harm caused the tissues, but what like how is the tissue outside of the body?
Is it a sample of tissue because that's not how tissue functions the tissue functions as part of the being and the whole
And the expression of the soul
So if that's all muted in that and then you test it on a live bit of
tissue on in the body
And it's still showing it. It's because the body is not functioning well
It's because of something else that's in there that is reciprocating with that frequency
It's not always just going to cause that harm
However, when you're talking about innocence, like if you put it on a baby
Sure, it can but part of the reason for that is because the parent is in fear of the parent is not casting that protection around the child
giving it enough safety security and love and
and power
So the baby's emanating that as well
There's a lot of discussion on that but there's too much to go into in detail
But I just as a premise
It would depend on how that tissue is being tested
But if we go forward into it, it's not just not being harmed by the machine
I haven't done it yet, but I do firmly believe that
The more the greater you do that you can actually shut the machine down
I've had the experience of shutting down devices like computers and phones and
Going into
uh
Places that have been filmed and then the audio all crackles out while I'm there and then when I leave it comes good again
Doesn't mean that I'm doing it on purpose or anything
But I just know that our electromagnetic field is vastly strong with an electromagnetic field of a 2.5 gigahertz
Wi-Fi router or a 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi router or audio processors
And likewise the machines they're not that strong. So is it a potentiality? Absolutely. Do we all have it?
I don't know. I think half the population muggles and probably don't
But for the people who are activating in that sole journey, then I do believe we have that but again, we have to
access
Likewise just on that topic. I don't have like this thing. I'm more powerful than everything and I'll just look like I don't have that
Because once you start to have that
That's when harm will come because there's this big pride before
And it's um, it's not operating from that that essence of who you are, which is really subtle and really very humble
Once you start getting into you cannot do this to me and I'm better than you and I'm more powerful than that thing
And I'll just stand like that's when
That's when you a can't access that sort of stuff and you will
Draw harm to you because of the challenge the interference that you're putting into the field
Again, that quote the world is not governed through interference
So, uh, yeah, it's like one of those things where if you're able to access the power
You have to have the humility that goes with it and knowing how to wield it
How and how not and the fact that it's not just like
Like this given I'm hearing an echo now actually can you hear it? Uh, let me mute and see if
Oh, it was more just like a delay. Oh, it's gone now
Okay figured itself out. That's good
Okay, very good
and
One of the things that I've noticed this again might not be a question
But one of the like the nature of programming is that it's I always get people to discriminate
Is it sentient full of life and have volition and free will?
Or is it an automation?
As a program do you mean the the programming itself
The you know, I sometimes I'll grasp for words and say the architecture of the programming that makes up
the collective thoughts
You know feelings experience beliefs
That causes you to say, oh, I'm going to be harmed by this and therefore
becoming harmed
so
when it comes to
Like the actual nature of that energetic architecture that we carry around
And can let go of
Do you have a sense that it's full of life or is it
inert
I'm not sure. I don't know about that because um
I think it comes from different places and also why for example
Going through airports the vast majority of people don't believe that there's anything
That will cause them harm exactly
From the boosters that they just got to the scanners to being on the aeroplane
Which this is the other thing like I think honestly the aeroplane itself that you're on for 10 hours
Has far more radiation in it than the scanners that you would go through prior to boarding but
But uh, yeah, but most people on the plane just
I don't know. They don't really care. They don't care nor do they really seem
Bothered by it or but that's because they're also not so again. I don't know this to be true
I just have a basic model. Let's just say roughly half the population
Aren't really here for sole individuation and don't really have that potential for
Anything more than just a very narrow set of parameters
And then of the half that do like a lot of them are generally the more sensitive types
And it's the sensitive types that are
Susceptible to you know things like
Scanners and whatever
But that's just because the in the sensitivity. It's not it's not a um, it's not a negative thing
It's not like a burden or it's like oh why me like I can't even function in the world because I'm too sensitive
It's just that that individual has an access the inherent power that's there and again. It has to be earned
It's like it's not inherent that they have
The the magic or these abilities or like the ability to harness that sensitivity into something innately very powerful
But it is there as a potential
But because of the nature of the realm the way it seems to be programmed is that they have to earn it
If it was just given to them, it wouldn't really mean anything
It wouldn't it wouldn't be of value like isn't free will and and the ability to like like these things are so valuable
They're like up there in like the top tier of
Uh, you know parts of being alive. So why would it why would you not have if it's so valuable?
Why would you not have to earn something valuable? It just doesn't make sense that it's just like
Uh, just freely given because then why people don't seem to value that
I guess you could flip that and go it is freely given and it's such a valuable thing that only people who are
Tuned to knowing what value is will will use it and the people it's like, you know, I could give you a um
I could give you one of my guitars. It's like so good and but if you're not a guitarist, you'd be like
I don't know. I'll just hawk it at the pawn shop like a hundred bucks. It's like, do you know where that wood came from?
Do you know who made that? Do you know how the fret work?
You know, like you just don't know like if you don't know you don't value it. So
But the guitar is still a guitar. So I don't know. There's a lot of different ways you can look at it, but
Uh, yes, but I guess it's a really important topic because so many people are genuinely genuinely suffering
They feel pain. They feel disillusionment. They feel sensitivity to certain things. So
When we're talking about these topics, I do want people to know that I'm not not acknowledging the fact that people
Do experience harm and pain and so on and so forth with what they experience in the world
But what I am saying is that that's just an offer because that's not who you really are
So that's just in this middle ground between having woken up at some point or through whatever means and
The the the being that you know, you can be in the world
It's kind of in the middle ground and sometimes that hurts and sometimes that feels like you're a victim and so on and so forth
But as long as you're willing to grow through that you don't have to stay in that state
And the same things that affect you now that you think is the enemy and it's all unfair
And it's all unjust won't be that once you've transcended that if you're willing to continue
Along that path, but it doesn't it doesn't um
It's not to diminish what somebody is experiencing now because it's very real and it's very true
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well said that's because that's at the end of the day
Say you are actually being victimized and I've a lot of so much to say on sensitive types because I happen to be the canary in the coal mine myself
You know, many people could take a few flights and stay in a poisoned hotel and still
Be upright on the other side
But that's that's not me. I'm in a different place. So I have a lot of
Empathy I'm not saying you don't have empathy
You just expressed that that that people do suffer at different levels and that it's uh, it's I mean in my case
I really understand it now that it's accumulated toxicity over a lifetime that has come to a head
And I'm at a very narrow margin of if I get you know
Bomb me with fragrance in a hotel room for the night and I get sick like that's
And other people will be just have zero effect with that. I I'm on a
soapbox all the time talking about fragrance and and it's very very hard to convey to people
That they're being harmed because they don't feel it
And it's ubiquitous at at every turn, you know, the laundry and the body products and the shampoo and the
You name it and air fresheners
And uh, it but uh, so yeah, people don't really get it even when they're like, okay
I won't use fragrance and they still do because it's
It's just they they're not noticing it. So anyway, total side topic there
No, it's a good side topic. It's interesting one though because um, a lot of those people are just kind of cogs in the wheel
They will not be affected by it and it's part of the sensitive soul's journey is that they
Not having to be validated by other people because
so many people experienced this in the last five years too like
Knowing what's really going on or knowing that you shouldn't be wearing a mask
Not not only don't have to but like for your personal health
You shouldn't be wearing a mask for example
I mean surrounded by this just wrong like
100 deeper people looking at you like what are you doing? You're an idiot. You're doing it wrong. You're this like that's a
That's a hard thing for a sensitive soul in particular to
To um to deal with until that sensitive soul realizes their actual power
Then they can stand in front of a thousand deep and just emanate like that
It doesn't have to affect them
So part of the the the journey is not having to be validated by other people
The fact that other people don't get sick the comparison and validation thing is a big trap have to move beyond that
The other thing is that it's not necessarily not affecting them. It's just that their tolerances are uh,
inherently a little bit higher by their constitution
And what happens is nobody experiences symptoms until they're in at least stage two or stage three of a of a
dis-ease cycle
So um people might have a baseline and they're accumulating heaps of this crap in their system
It's definitely affecting the function of their liver the kidneys
The spleen the pancreas the lungs everything
But what's happening is yeah, but they're not actually realizing that it's happening because they don't have headaches
They don't have lethargy that don't have but it's because it's just below this baseline
Once they move into symptoms. They're like, uh, kind of got a headache today
Or I don't feel like I've got as much energy or I don't know why but I feel like I don't like smelling perfumes anymore
It's because they're past the threshold now and that means they're already got all of this
Built up in the system
But the thing is is that when somebody has a system that's functioning like a strong constitution
It's cycling that through that stuff through
So well that it never builds up to symptoms and that's why I like oh bet
Oh, seriously, we've got to not put perfume on to go out. Oh my god. It's beth again, you know, like that's
Not you're probably not hanging out with people like that anymore, but you probably started
Because as we grow out of that sort of stuff, we have to separate from that
Yeah
Yeah, yeah, you should see one of the last dinners we went to I sat beside someone they went like oh
Oh, no, I wore perfume
Do you want to sit over there and then I went and just sit over there and then like oh my god
I wore perfume like because they all know and uh, you know, it's fine
I can I can go into just like, you know a happy place and tolerate
But I definitely feel it
Yeah, yeah, well, it's it's um
what it's
part of the journey is learning to um to not allow a
Thought form a group dynamic or an egregor to influence the being of the individual who is a sensitive soul
But also those sensitivities are there's something in the being
It's energy. It's nothing physical. It's energetic
That binds to that in some way shape or form because naturally it shouldn't actually cause that effect
Is it good for you know, but it shouldn't cause like a
Down regulation of the being itself
Which means it's binding to something else energetic, which is either something that's attached to you
Something you haven't dealt with from your past or your lineage or the programs or whatever it's there
And so that's why it has the same that's why people, you know go 20 30 years with chronic illness
They don't know why it's like to go on like
You know
People go
Oh, yeah, you just take this this powder thing that I took I cleaned it all up in like, you know
In a day and you're like what the like that's not going to do anything
That's you know
And people are just and then you're angry because you're like all these people and they're all making all this money
Selling all this shit that doesn't do it
It's like why does it have an effect on someone who's just like in that category and in this category?
I've done this I've changed that I've taken this I've done that protocol 100 times
I've refined it down to a T or change my diet my sleep. I changed house and there's no mold
There's no this I'm still like this. What the hell and it's like they're not looking at that that energetic component because
The way the system of the body works like that
Is that the more sensitive you are the more you are tapped into that that greater thing
Where your organs are portals to these other luminaries where for others someone else
It's like they they are but they're not but for the sensitives though
Like what's the proofs in the pudding like how you're functioning the world just means that you haven't managed to everything's too fragmented
It's all around the being as opposed to being in in the body in the being
And that's a big thing for somebody to to undergo. That's like a whole journey
for for those particular type of like I'm
Not to the same degree of summer or whatever, but I'm like I would get headaches of everything
I would be sensitive to wi-fi route. I could tell if wi-fi or bluetooth was on
Without even knowing it was on and then I'd know if it was switched off because of how I would feel as a result
Like I've been there. I know that I've just I've just gone through enough steps to have become
still sensitive enough to have
You know to be able to receive
information and knowledge for things that I haven't studied
But not sensitive enough to be harmed by those sorts of things that were causing me harm at one point
interesting, yeah
And men detox faster and easier than women also that's that's a kind of given and I think that's very evolutionary in a way or
At least, you know pro survival of the species so that
Because if you had a whole lot of sensitive men around and they couldn't take it, you know
And if they got taken out by a dryer sheet or something then we'd go down really fast
Definitely, but yeah, yeah, women's detox is a totally different thing. Do you know they by the way just quick one more aside they have
I think it's basically an autopsy has taken the liver in particular and
It it it can literally let off
fragrance
They they they can there's fragrance stored in the liver that can't be processed
And so that's like it it's it's a real thing
In case anyone oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's why it's in everything. That's why like when yeah, it's um
I think that's an interesting topic too because there is
a definite like
depopulation agenda through just the most
insidious little things that are in everything such as fragrances but
But to think again once just to think that we're not like where
We're built in the image of something that's like less than some fragrance made in a chinese factory is kind of like that
Doesn't add up to me. So like is it like that's not to that's not to discount that that is factual
But it's like what paradigm are we living in and what are we willing to grow beyond?
What are we willing to access and what are we willing to do to access that to mean that that is not something
That is just forever in the liver for example because the liver
Like energetically holds on to so much. So what's being held on because we we definitely get a learned helplessness
so somebody who's just
ignorant
Ignorance is not bliss ignorance is really painful. So they can be around fragrances all the time. They might not affect them
But that's because their potentiality in the world. They don't know like they're not tapped into something higher to realize what's being
Taken away from so they just go I can wake up. I can do a poo. I can go to work
I can eat dinner. I can watch netflix. I can go to bed. I can wake up and do that again
So to them there's nothing wrong, but this because they're not tapped into
They don't have the potential for something bigger and more and tapped into something else
They won't feel when the moon's at a certain phase
They won't feel when the luminaries are in a certain space and that's their life
So we're not meant to compare against those
So just because they're functioning okay in life
You know that won't build up in their liver and that liver will off gas once they're gone
That doesn't mean that that's the case. So what they don't have the potential for though is their whole other side
That's where people who are sensitive have more of that potential
but only because they have the ability to
You know the expression that life doesn't give you anything, you're not capable of handling
So like even if it's like, how am I going to do this or I can't believe this is happening. It's too hard
I don't know if I can like that's every
Religious and spiritual text ever was always said don't fear always have faith
It's that test to see if you can overcome that and when you do you access something more and greater
So when we're talking about the liver for example, there's so many energetics that go into the liver
and it's a storehouse of anger a storehouse of
It's how we process things and turn things over. So that's not just food. That's thoughts
It's feelings
So many things so if we have control over that if we're not doing that
Yes, we will store and accumulate things that are forever whatever because they won't go because we're not letting it go
but if we actually
Are willing enough to go and which is very
It's a lot more work than doing a lot of push-ups or doing a lot of like
Fasting whatever in the external world if we're willing to do that the liver will not hold on to the same sort of stuff
it can be
Let go of it can be alchemized and something else
Like there's so many different things it can so it's just again
It's do we want to choose to do that because we always have the choice
That's the whole essence of offers and agreements is it always comes down to a choice and
What are we going to choose? That's a big question
Exactly
Um
Well, let's see. I'd like to just go to the chat a little bit say hello to michelle
Nice to have you here. Emil said the more sensitive one is makes them more easily physically harmed. He's asking
Can do yeah for sure. I mean that's what I've we that's what I've noticed anyway
Yeah, like I said, I shouldn't broadcast it, but they could take me out with a dryer sheet
Right, you don't need any more technology than that
Safe 1995 multiple chemical sensitivity movie interesting
Interesting usually when it goes public in a
In a movie, there's some kind of agenda going on. I might have to or yeah disclosures
Right, exactly. That's what I mean. Yeah, or that's what yeah, you got it
Never assume high-priced hotels are cleaner. I know I know it's it's crazy
I the last hotel we stayed at I I made
You know I called and they said is it possible to get a non-send it room. They said, uh, yes
Yes, we'll give that a try. So then the room smelled like poop and it was like, yeah, there's that's right
There's no fragrance near that. You did good on that but somehow
Anyway, who cares?
That's that's interesting though because let's just look at that quickly. We did a lot of traveling and we had a lot of
experience with places where like, uh, you know like imagine if there was and it's always like
I don't want to do it imagine someone else did it
Imagine if there was um, like an
Like a subset of airbnb or whatever that is just for people that look for
You know non teflon kitchen where?
linen that's fresh and not not, you know washed in fragrances and whatever like such simple things to bring to elevate the
Quality of a of a place that could be really really simple that people would really really value
That's a great business model for somebody who has the aptitude and the willingness to actually create that as an app
As like an add-on or like a star or a tick or something and it's like if you get these ones
They have that like there's money to be made for that. That's what drives people like is this going to serve me
It would it absolutely would so it's it's like it's right there for the taking
So it's like we can complain all we like about expensive hotels or whatever having
You know more chemicals than others, but it's kind of like it's
The the more expensive stuff and what I've seen for people who really like they'll do whatever
They go to really clean stuff and they're they're going to places that don't have chemicals in them and all that too
So it's there. We just have to access that again
Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. I might have to do that my god
And ron said I don't believe in cancer doesn't exist in my world and that's good
So I have a recent story of I had a a thing on my finger and it would grow
And I just cut it off and then it'd grow again
And I used have you heard of black surf kensima?
Amazon black surf so I put a drop on three days in a row
And then my hand blew up in inflammation
Like really severe lost use of my right hand entirely
And it had yeah, it had a what's called a positive reaction meaning that the medicine found
What you know is considered to be skin cancer?
I had no belief in this whatsoever zero, right? I literally never
Had the thought that this might be cancer. Maybe that's naive. I just didn't think of it
that's just like it's just an annoying little thing and
And then it yeah, it's been months and months and months and it's it you know, it the medicine did work
It's left me a little deformed, but it's okay. It's just a finger
Got got function of my hand back. That's the most important thing
But so cancer didn't care that I didn't believe in it
Is is my point, right? It's like the law doesn't care if you don't believe in it
Yeah, ignorance is no excuse to the law. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, so sorry
It's no it's not about believing in it or not. It's but it is created from something internally. So
When we have these unresolved conflicts within the body, it's like an electrical
anomaly
Then that's what can produce tumors and growths and cancers and so on and so forth
So it's like everyone goes in the sun. So how can the sun cause skin cancer? It can be a
it can be a
Like a
What do you call it?
The thing that that helps in a process or it can activate a process
It can be part of the process, but it's not it's not the originating thing. It's what's already in the body
It's either toxicity that's built up just below the sub dermal layers
But then why is that there and what thoughts and feelings have have
Caused the choices and the lifestyle factors and the places like gardener island of him frequency is location
So like what's caused that?
um, because I still haven't found a physical cause of
Actually, my friend paul linda. It's his whole his whole work space around that too
There's I haven't seen a physical cause. I've seen physical
cause
What do you call it causation and and what?
My mind's kind of asking a blank. I hate all the scientific stuff
I tried to unlearn it or correlation correlation and causation
So the correlation is there, but that's not necessarily the causation right right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
Uh, let's see if there was a couple of questions before we go on
Let me know if you had a time stop by the way if you if you were to ask you. Yeah, okay
Sounds good. So there's a question here. Tom is this content regarding parents influence on children inside your course offerings?
um
Not directly. I mean it's there. It's it's everything works the same way
So the way um, the way I teach the concepts of natural law is that it's like
This realm is governed by natural. It's not like somebody's laws
It's just the way the world the the realm works the way it's governed and then that makes its way into the way
We express into the world. That's the way we meet challenges or meet people or meet situations
All of all working through offers and and agreements
And or contracts when there's consideration and the choices that are there
So yeah, it does but not directly. I don't teach directly like the parents should do this with a child
But the what's in there the lessons they all relate directly to that
In future I'll be doing one more based on health and what have you and the principles of natural law and how they
pertain to health and dynamics and relationships
Nice very good. Um still I was talking about the sun and our personal relationship with it doesn't matter
Where we are each one of us feels the sun shining us in a different given moment
Yep, I get that. Hello quietly content there. Nice to see you
Uh, let's see there was one question. I want to just go right back rather than take too much time here
Paul asked
Could you ask tom what he thinks of the australian first movement and is it a force for positive change there?
I don't know if this is too big a tangent to go on but you can let me know
Can you still see me on on the screen?
Yes, I can still see you. I call this because I changed browser. I'm just having a look at what it even is
It's extremist political movement founded in sydney advocated for isolationism and collaboratism
I don't know if it's got to do with okay, so there seems to be
It's a far right political movement that was active in 1941 and 1942 it seems to be there's a lot coming forward now
Where people are getting quite nationalist and it's in response to the decline of the country, which is kind of like
Very
Makes a lot of sense
And then the the the flooding of immigrants and things which is happening in many western countries
uk is obviously very people are seeing a lot of that it's happening in australia a lot as well
so there's a lot of kind of nationalist or white nationalist groups that are popping up
And this is really interesting because it's like with anything
I can look at any topic or any speaker or any whatever and I'm not really interested in the person so much
Like it's not about the person is bad or whatever
It's just like what's the message and how do we disseminate the message?
and the reason that certain people gain a lot of traction and sometimes these groups gain a lot of traction or like
public figures like
Andrew Tate or
Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan they they form a lot they get a lot of attention and momentum is because
Inherently there's always something in their message that's inherently going to meet the individual where they're at
That makes a lot of sense and rings more true than the current paradigm that they're experiencing
Whether it's true or not. It's just more true than the current paradigm than they're experiencing
Which is how these movements get a lot of momentum
As far as whether I think it's a force of positive change
I don't believe any external force is a force of positive change. I think it's all
an illusion and even if it does
Kind of show to have a quote-unquote positive change. It'll be
it'll be like
Just sporadic and and short lived at best and then what's it leaving way for as a result of its
Of its die-off
Which is never usually positive. It's usually like it seems like a step forward to take two steps back
So in any of these movements, I don't know
I don't have firsthand knowledge of this one
But I'll just say in all of the ones that I've observed which is many
None of them have been what I would say is worth getting behind as a belief system as a movement or anything like that
Because all of it just takes you away from who you really are all of it will make you feel like
You're progressing in something yet at the same time you're taking two steps back to feel like you're taking a step forward
Why not just do the real thing? So it kind of means eschewing things like that. It's not that they're all bad
It doesn't mean that something for a week of
Concerted effort won't make some good
But I would never get behind an outsource to that degree to push something of especially of a political nature
Uh, I just haven't seen that work out. I but having said that I don't have firsthand knowledge of this one
So I can't say for sure
Well, thanks for that. I appreciate it
Let's see this I would love to talk about a little bit
When when you talked about people are programmable
And so Emil is questioning. Is it in in flu, you know, in flu when how would did you say it? Yes
Influensible or programmable and is there even a difference?
Um
Yeah, I think there's a difference. I think it influenced steers somebody towards the program
I think programs a deeper level of of operating
Influence is just like a little bit of a turning of of the attention
There are a turning of like how I might feel about something before it becomes I think influence precedes program
I I can see the argument for them being the same and in some circumstances or context. I would agree
I just think that from a broader perspective. I think influence precedes
programs
nice
I like the word impressionable and and
Um
Was it somebody carry in the zodiac and the salts of salvation just looking looking towards my bookcase
George thank you
Yeah, and he talked about the cerebellum and the cerebrum and the root of that word seri being seed
meaning wax like substance
That is highly impressionable the way that wax is
And you know how sometimes I'll play with this where you say, you know
I have to send a code to your phone to get into your app is just very common these days and
and then so I'll look at it once
And I will repeat, you know, I'll repeat it the numbers to myself and then I'll look away
And then I'll listen for what I just repeated and it's literally in there. It made an impression
Between looking at it and then saying the numbers to myself
There is an imprint now ask me 20 minutes later if I could repeat that number. Nope, but it's it's right there
It's made an impression. So that's a kind of fun
Example just of that nature that we are so impressionable
Is there anything more you want to say about that?
No, I totally I totally agree. We're definitely very impressionable, especially that's the nature of a baby. It's it's all impression
and
And it does impressions and imprints are very important because this is what
In the world of programming mk ultra and
And things of that nature it's all about imprints
and programs
And because it literally does that like you can even imprint an image of something in somebody's mind and they can express
that that that image for example, so
Yeah, it's a big it's a big thing but again
Like I know people get fascinated with it and then they just stay there and they do a whole life's work just on on that
and I'm like, but
Why wouldn't you want to go further into how you can be the thing that actually?
flips that
Or alchemizes that and becomes like uses that or turns it into something else or becomes impermeable to that
Because that's the nature of what like what we're talking about earlier
It's super fascinating and I think that's also a trap because it becomes very
Um
It it really titillates the mind and that's usually always a bit of a trap
So coming back into being I think really helps a lot like it's fine that that's the case
But it doesn't have to be as well like it is an offer
But that's also a sliding scale because it's an offer but when you're not very
When you're not very
Deep into yourself as it when you're standing
It's like it might be an offer, but it's definitely going to imprint you
So it's like there's a sliding scale to that
So the deeper you get to know yourself the less that has the ability to imprint unless you actually consciously let that in so that's um
that's a
That's just to qualify that too because there's always the examples of like but that didn't work for me or that definitely harms me or that whatever
And it's like well, that's why
I still have a teacher that so would say when it rains get wet, please get wet
Right and so that idea that you could and this ties back into the sensitivity too
That you could say go through a horrific experience and have no impressions
Or you know the the resulting programming
But it's I think it's the other way around
personally in my experience that the more inner work you do the more
Free will you earn
The more impressionable you become
Now not in a with a lack of discernment
That you couldn't choose and you know like I saw an image. I let myself watch a movie
Every so often I like indulge in that because I haven't seen many over my lifetime and and you know some of these
Horrific images. It's exactly when I turn it off, but I'll spend the next 24 48 hours detoxing the image
Right like I have to actively do that
In order to not have it be you know loss of energy or kind of cause of suffering for me even to just see this fictitious image
so
But impressionable is not bad either because um, you want to be impressionable because when somebody leaves a good impression
You want that to be the case, but also you can be impressionable
You can walk into a room and leave a good impression on an audience for example
So so it's just nothing's like inherently like oh, that's a shit thing. If we're impressionable
It's a it's definitely a good thing. It's by design
Right that that's we wouldn't be who we are without that
And probably not be able to have relationships with each other if we couldn't make an impression. So
Yeah boundaries are a good one. Absolutely. I'm sure I missed a bunch of
But I want to go back to my notes selfishly just in case there we still have a few a few
question time for a few questions left
Um, one of the things that I've noticed is that when it comes to free will being
If not the same thing as freedom, right people
get on a megaphone and yell freedom and
And you can see very quickly who doesn't have a hot clue what that even is even though they're
They're yelling it like a mantra or it's become a kind of narrative
In our whatever the freedom movement is nobody can even you know a lot of disillusionment around that and
I've discovered that people are actually terrified by real freedom
Right not freedom from tyranny not freedom from disease not freedom from even programming
but but the real deal
And so how do you help people over that precipice like is there any way to reframe
Or is that just naive thinking that somehow you can
Change their thinking and give them a different relationship to freedom
Do you mean the what do you mean the types that are at the rallies and and shouting for freedom and
They know that there's something wrong with society, but they just are blaming it on like the government and stuff is
Um, yes, yes, because like they're willing to show up at the rally and and uh chant
But when it comes to taking responsibility for themselves earning their right to choose learning
Being educated. They don't want to do that
Right. So so they're they're happy to rail against the machine and chant about freedom
But when real freedom knocks on their door and says, oh, well, you might need a garden or you might need a community
to live with or you might
You know, not that the freedom doesn't depend on those things
It doesn't depend on literally anything because you could be in a jail and be free. I know that for a fact
Um, but but the terror and I hear this all the time in my work because that's the whole purpose of the deprogramming work is to
Experience freedom. That's not a state. That's not a frequency
It is beyond that. It's the source of that if there's anything that
You could say about it
That's all I could say
And and they're literally I just agree with what you're saying
Okay. Okay. Like it's the caged bird, right?
That you try to take it out and it freaks out like, oh my goodness. I'm dying
And and how do you how do you how can you assist in that?
Um, I don't so I guess that's your question
I mean, I think people have to come to that
um
That kind of realization on their own and then if they ask for tools to be able to do that that's where I
Help people with tools to do that. But as far as trying to convince people or tell them they're wrong or
That's just not
That's this another thing. I think that the
There's an old expression that the greatest, um revenge that you can have on like
People who are, you know wish bad for you, whatever. It's just to not be like them
And so likewise if you're just really strongly on your own path
And then that's enough for people to just go like I'm doing all this rah, rah, rah stuff
But then why is that guy, um living a I like the life that he's living kind of thing
And it naturally draws them towards that then I think that's the best you can do to kind of change somebody's mind
But I just uh, I've tried in the past like, you know 10 20 years ago
That was my thing was trying to convince people but um, yeah, I just never
never
Had any success with that like people can definitely come to
They just become like weirdly interested in it instead of being interested in that but they never change any and
It just doesn't go very far. So I just don't think that um anything other than really living it yourself and being that yourself is
Is going to be fruitful for
For trying to feel like, you know trying to quite and quite help people that are stuck in that
That paradigm they just have to see that there's something different because if they're doing that they're just
They want something different. They're doing that what they think they can do
So this to them is action that's affirmative in the right direction
But it's only because they don't have any other tools. They don't know any other way
So it's not like they're idiots or they're wrong or they're bad or whatever. It's just that they don't
They just don't know
Any better. So if they can see something that's better or a gentle offering of just a question
So I always find questions work well. It's like, hey, how are you going with that?
Hey, have you considered this? Have you have you look for any other ways?
Are you aware of such and such and if they show an interest then I'll
Help if they're not interested. It's just not my um, it's just not not for me to enter into that
Yeah, and would you say that that would be in a front on their free will to try to
You know give them a different
perspective or take their fear away
It would feel like I don't think it's in a front on it because
In like technically you'd be offering them a greater breadth of choice to exercise free will but
Yeah, in the in the isolated context of their limited amount of choices which are programmed then that's kind of taken away from their ability to
Indulge in that paradigm until they they realize that that paradigm is like this has entropy and they're just like
There's got to be more than that and then they'll go looking for
You know, it's it's kind of like when I gave the example earlier about the colored pens and the choices and thinking that's like
Well, that's what you're told exists unless you're willing to look beyond what you're told into what's actually out there so that it's not
Then you're going to be very limited in the choices that you have in life
Yeah, that's how we raise children
I I learned that skill no one had to teach it to me that if I want my son to do one of two things
I'm going to make it seem like there's only two options
You want to do this thing that I want you to do or you want to do this thing that I want you to do
And that lasted about five minutes. Yeah, he got
Well, it's also how it's also how sales works because
Sales works on on like alternate closers
It's like would you prefer the red or the blue if you say do you want a pen?
Someone can say yes or no and no is not good in sales. Did you say would you prefer the red or the blue?
You're like, I guess the blue
You might not have even really wanted a pen, but you would prefer blue than red
So now you're making a choice and then the sales are occurring
It's kind of a really a good analogy for the way that the world as in while people are stuck in that model
Works is that you just you're going between a selection of predetermined choices
Of which there are multitude and infinite
Beyond that you just have to access it. You have to grow out of being able to be solved
Essentially where you have to decide to actually really want or need a pen in the first place
Is there another way to
Go about what I'm trying to achieve is there, you know
And you start having divergent thinking and you start to move away from those paradigms
and that's where you start accessing a lot more of choice and free will and so on and so forth and
Yeah, there's so many analogies for the sales is a great actual analogy for so many things in life
The way people are programmed to respond
It's even what police and governments do with sales
Right, they must be trained in that those exact methods. Don't you think?
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's the you communicate in a way that only leaves room for a predetermined set of outcomes
That's why
One of the best ways to quote unquote
Break the matrix or whatever you want to call that
Break a program is to do something that's unexpected
And I've got a few I've got a lesson coming up in my course on that
It's when you see people go into a courtroom. There's this dude that goes into a
Something rather than the states and you start to break dancing and everyone's kind of like
What are you doing?
And you like ends up on the ground doing like a spin around on his back like holding his legs up in that
And it what it does is it breaks the frame or it breaks the paradigm
It's like that's not supposed to happen
And I've done when I before I even knew how to handle commerce like the way I would interact with
police or border or whatever I would
And like just naturally know to to fall into a different character
That broke the paradigm and when they don't have the same I do this. This is what happens in result
They're either going to do this this or this and I'm doing that
They don't know how to respond to it. It just compobulates their like authoritarian mind and all of a sudden
They don't have interest in me anymore when they were previously going to try and give me a ticket
That fascinated me. I learned that like in 2008
That was like way early on I started to play
Characters and do weird things that like interrupted the
The pre the the the the script the narrative. It just interrupted it
It's like a pattern interrupt and it really was effective and may not be embodied by
The judicial system and I was like, wow, that's that's fascinating
And then I realized how that actually played out more in so far as the way the control mechanism of the world works
Um, it's just it's that's another whole topic day
Yeah, that's the most fun. I have is the pattern interrupt
Because I I see the patterns really well
I work in a field where people literally bring their patterns that they're unaware of
And so when you see them and somebody's very deep into them, they're maybe not
You know as easily accepting responsibility for what's happening in their life
There's a number of tools, but you often don't know what they are
I also have the memory of getting into one of our markets here when I didn't intend to go
I decided, okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be a troublemaker. I'm just gonna sit in the car and wait
But I saw my elderly friend limping to the door. I'm like, you know, darna. I'm gonna help her in there
I don't I don't care. I'm just gonna go do that and the guy confronts me and like you need a mask
And then I just said I'm helping this woman
And and you could see the pattern shattered for him
He he went blank and we walked by
And it was just it was just that exact moment now, you know, you can't make that that into a script
It doesn't work like that, but it was it was I just pulled something. I'm helping this woman
And so it was you just what you just nailed it you you had spontaneity and creativity in the moment
That's outside of the paradigm of the script or the pattern or the narrative
And it's you nailed it
But that's why you can't learn scripts because if you learn a script and bring it into a
It's the same thing. They don't nothing breaks it a script won't break it
It can help you to
Access something your new scripts aren't all bad, but they're not to be relied upon because it's not you
It's not something that's innately coming through you, but the script can help you unlock that
So that's just that's why I don't say like never use never learn different wording
It's powerful, but it's only to access something deeper in you
Exactly what I noticed is that the script works for a time
And I think this is related to our impressionable nature
Our programmable nature that there's there's certain instructions
You might have found this with certain modalities or techniques or tools that
That you know, it works right away. I used to be able to let go of hiccups
Which you can you don't think you could let go of and I would use one word. I would say unsuppress
And then my body would follow that instruction. I would unsuppress the hiccup would end immediately
Like I'm going wow fancy that don't have to suffer with hiccups
But there came a time where that didn't work anymore. Why?
Because my system
predicted it
It was no longer a pattern interrupt
And so I had to use other
approaches
Absolutely. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense
Yeah, yeah, that's good. This is fun for me. I like this
um
What would you consider to be the law?
Maybe maybe we talked about this the law of pain. I've heard you talk about that
So
It's just it's inevitable. There's a quote that says pains and inevitable suffering is optional
Because we're we're going to go through various forms of pain in life no matter what I think it's always requires growth
That's why like when we're children we go through growing pains. I just think it's a natural part of
The way life works until we can because the thing about every law
Which is like a natural law cause and effect is that we can actually transcend them
But that's like reserved for when you actually start to achieve mastery in different levels of of life
So until then though, I think the pain is just a natural part of life
And it doesn't have to mean that you have like physical pain. You're in crippling pain the example that
I think I was in a post the example I gave is like
If you imagine somebody that's been smoking for like 40 years
And they're in
All sorts of physical dish repair like they're really not enjoying life
They're um, it's not necessarily because of the smoking. It's because of who they are why they're smoking how they're doing it and everything else, right
So it's either going to be really painful for someone in that position to give up because they're addicted
They rely on it. It's painful to have to give up and go through that and go through cold turkey or whatever
But continuing with their habits is also going to be painful
because
It's like they're already in pain and continuous. So they're going to be
Faced with the pain of discipline or the pain of regret
So but the difference is one's going to lead to something fruitful and the one's going to lead to a demise either way
They're going to go through pain
So pain doesn't have to be bad and suffering is optional pain can actually be very very fruitful and very joyful
to to go through
Even something like discipline, which is painful for people who don't innately have a lot of drive or discipline
Do they have to like almost force themselves to do things that are good for them?
Inherently that feels good
Because once they achieve it and they realize that they were better off after doing something that required discipline to do
they have satisfaction and self-worth and like
just
A sense of being fed in a way that like those 15 Oreos they were going to eat couldn't have given them
so
It pain doesn't have to be bad
It's when we can embrace it as a teacher once we've met a particular pain teacher
We really have to meet that particular pain teacher again
So that can include things that we're inflicting physical pain on us as well. We don't need to meet that teacher again
Yeah, beautiful. I love that that I mean pain is pain when you get to it
But I you're saying exactly the same thing. I just use these words that there's the pain with purpose and then there's the purposeless pain
Right of
Staying and eating the Oreos and not gaining discipline and not growing
Avoiding growing people will put all their might into avoidance of growing
And there's so much pain in it and and if they cross the threshold to the other side
They're they're in for a lot of pain too, but it's different. It's like actually feeding the soul
Rather than starving it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's it. Yeah, exactly. It's just a different paradigm
So, yeah, I once you also once you once you learn to not fear pain and try to avoid pain you
You experience less of it. It's it's weird and I think it's that biggest
Fear most people have is that fear of death once you can get through that the fear of dying
Then you're you're truly living like in my opinion if you're afraid of death, you're not really alive already
so it's it's one of those um
Paradoxes but same with pain like once you stop fearing it. You don't want to resist that anymore
So like life becomes a lot more free
Yeah, amen to that. There's a lot of times
I'll I'll I'll say that exactly about the the primary fear being of dying and most people go
Oh, I have no fear of dying whatsoever
I I I fear suffering is almost always the follow-up
But it's so deeply unconscious people are not aware of it. They don't want to touch it. You know, I had a
A lovely client beautiful. I love her and and she spent 40 minutes trying not to feel that
And then she and then finally she got brave and she went into it as like, whoa
Right, there was this just the whole and a massive shift on the other side
That was waiting for her. So like God doesn't set up
fruitless pain is what I notice
That there's always a gift to have the courage to go through it
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's when life deals it to us
The difference is though that we can create that for ourselves when we are definitely being the cause of
When we're unwilling to resolve things or we're unwilling to look at what is that we're creating? I think
You know, like it's pretty I think it'd be pretty obvious to people
The difference between when life deals are something and the and then the pain that we're creating through our own lack of
willingness to engage in our own
You know, inner authority and self-governance and what have you we can just cause it all for ourselves
Right, right. Could we talk about the king archetype?
Yeah, since that's part of your whole
beautiful new brand
the humble kingdom
And how do you see that that king? What's the nature of that for you?
So, I mean, I'm aware of the actual archetypes the way that they describe
the different
the different stages
so for what I'll add that I guess is
directly relevant to what it is that I'm helping to share is that
When I'm talking about
kingdoms, it's it's what's within us
So it's not necessarily an archetype like going from a child archetype to like maybe a
You know, like the wizard or the king or the it's not really about that. It's just the kingdom that's within
It's very old. It's not mine either. Like the bible talks about the kingdom is within
Many of the other spiritual texts from all the different cultures talk about the inner kingdom
And it's that way to access it and and what is it and what why is it? So like why is it important?
kingdoms hold wealth kingdoms hold security and safety kingdoms hold purpose kingdoms hold
value and love and and reason and
servitude to to hire
To something higher
So when we can access that then we stop looking and outsourcing so much for that to be outside and following illusory
Forms of that. So you got your fiction and your and your um substance or your public and your private
So the kingdom is like the private it's has substance and it's it's already given to us but
Similarly to free will like most people just don't access it. They have to earn it
You have to earn your way to the kingdom. You have to give up and sacrifice things
You have to be willing to be humble enough to receive it. It's not like
Because the inversion of it is the king who's like sticks a crown on his head and he's a ruler and
Whatever I say people will do and I'll just receive a lot of taxes and give myself a lot of wealth
And I want like heaps of servants to do everything for me. I don't want to do anything myself. I'm the king
You know, that's kind of like the hyper masculine
You know women do this for me and and like I have 15 Ferraris and I'm the I'm the king
Like people do what I say if I walk into the club
Everyone looks to me and respects me and that's like the inversion of a of a kingdom a true kingdom
so that's why I called it that because I'm like
After everything I've gone through and learned over the years
I just keep saying so much that it's and what I was entrapped in as well was the illusions and the programs
The egregors the spells
Everything that's designed to take us out of ourselves and out of who we really are and when we can contain that and come back
In then we can get access to that kingdom
But again, we have to earn it and we have to be willing to be humble enough to to get there and
And but the weird thing is that that also leads to you know
People chase the external wealth, but that leads to true wealth
It was just
Way more satisfying, but it's just it's there, but we just have to be willing to access that
So yeah that if I was just gonna answer
So that was just the pre the preamble but to answer that question
But for me like if I'm gonna talk about that in the context that I'm using it
It's the it's to occupy a standing as a king and the standing as a king is not as a ruler
It's almost as a servant, but you it's not as like you never give you power away
You never allow people to cross boundaries
It's there's a there's a power and a humility that go hand in hand
And it's like they don't exist without without the other that's the archetype if you're going to say an archetype
That's the one that I'm
I'm working towards creating teachings around yeah, but I guess with because you know like you talk about the
You know the archetypes and then the king archetype in the traditional sense. Is there any way that you think that they go together?
I'm right on board with your definition
I do talk about shadows and and gifts the shadows being you know, when it's an energy that you're not aware of your tendency might be to
Not be the humble king, but to try to power over and dominate others to get addicted to power
To um, you know, feel like there's never enough. It doesn't matter how much you get you have to always be a workaholic and keep amassing more wealth
And um, no, I'm I'm right. I'm totally down with your your view that that's exactly like the servant king is another way to say
uh, this you know
humble kingdom or
maybe
Different like is the kingdom is not the king
How would the kingdom's a place
So dom dom's kind of like the the prefix there for domicile and domicile is where you
Are where you live or but but kind of more so where you are in the world not of the world like where you are not where you live
And um, so that's where that's the kingdom the kingdom is a place
The kingdom's a place that we all have access to and it's we all have a different kingdom within
So it takes away then also knowing that can also take away power structures where people give all their stuff to like
the queen of
England in in their kingdom. It's like that's the that's the um fictitious the fictitious version of
A kingdom and when you realize you have your own you're less likely to outsource and give power
Like if I if I'm subservient to that in return, I'll get this
I'll get
You know sustenance or safety or security or whatever I'll have value
I'll have a purpose in a role to play in this world
And it's like
If you revert that to knowing that that's already there
Then you're less likely to give you a power away to illusions and people doing smoke and mirrors to try to take
Away your energy which actually comes from the kingdom
It's like the place that has that inherent riches and wealth and everything
Is taken when we give it away and outsource like that
So it's about containing that and being able to use that for us because that's who it's for it's for us
It's not it's not to
Something give out it's like we can share the wealth so to speak in a positive way
But we're not to give it away like to for it to be quite and quite taxed from us
But that's our giving as opposed to a
an outright taking
Yeah, that's a really big difference. Have you noticed that people people love to give but they don't like to be asked
Very much
Yeah, same as sales same as sales actually people love to buy they don't like to be sold
Right
Right. Yeah, it back to free will right because that you start to
As if encroach on that free will
Definitely
Yeah, yeah
Do you think
Maybe I think I've already promised one question, but I still have one
in addition
That couldn't you can you take someone's free will away?
Yeah, I think so, but I think but when I say that
To qualify it's not that you can take it away
But you can influence them so heavily that they'll give it away
And the way that that would work is that you you can be you can traumatize somebody into giving it away
Essentially, but I still because I've seen I can see two people in the same scenario
Same amount of trauma the same amount of like, you know, like everything put on to them
One gives in and gives it away and the other they're just kind of like, well, what are you doing?
Like that's just annoying go away
You know one person gave it the other person didn't which is why I just don't think you can you can take it from someone
Even with things like vaccines even with things like, you know forced
Just
Uh, you know influence and trauma on people. I still think you have to give it, but the intent is to take it
So that's kind of like to call it to the subtleties of that question
The intent is to take it absolutely
But I still think you have to give it right, right?
Some people would say that's the like the ultimate highest possible sin that there is
Is to
Threaten somebody's free will to to make it so hard for them to continue on
Yeah, it's imposing yourself upon somebody and trying to break their will for sure like that's um
It's definitely no no to do
Right, right. Yeah, I think if there's a definition of satanic that might be
Might be there not that I need one these days at all
And um, yeah, so do you want to tell people how to take advantage of your courses and and uh teachings that you have to offer
And anything else that you have
Yeah, it's pretty simple. So we just have the humble kingdom.com at the moment
That's our site and we have a course to beginners guide to natural law
So that goes through all of the what you would need to know as a beginner to start figuring this out
The way I describe it is that the whole realm that we're in is governed by natural law
And then you can disseminate that down into different parts individual parts of your life
And they all work on the same principles whether you're dealing with your love ones
If you're dealing with the public system
If you're dealing with laws of cause and effect in the world, they're all governed by natural laws
So when you can get the basics down you start to become
It's not like it's happening to you. You're a part of it. So you're actually meeting life
And uh, when you understand like the rules of that game, you can start implementing that in a way that helps you rather than feeling like
Life's for the world or society is like trying to take from you or oppressing you or anything of that nature
So for me what it does in simple terms is it levels the playing field through um, practical things
You can do and then the inner work as well
Um, so it's just the one course and it's self-learning you don't have to enroll at a particular time
You just as soon as you take the course, uh, you have access to the lessons
It's currently priced and in a beta stage as well
The price will go up once it's finished and before the end of the year
there'll be eight full length lectures added which are going to tie what's already in the course together
And um, I'm going to do a bonus lesson on digital ID as well because it's just really hot on people's minds
And by breaking down that lesson, it's going to just highlight all of the other lessons in natural law as well. So
that'll be there, um
By the end of the year, but whenever you join
Everything that gets added to and improved in the course from when you join you never pay more for that
It's always just whenever you join you get access to the course and additions and improvements for the lifetime that you're
Which you have a course for life. So that's the current that's current offering
And then my socials are tombynett.tv on instagram and telegram and the humble kingdom on youtube and
I don't know what my facebook is tom by net or the humble kingdom one of the two
Facebook's not the best. I thought if I had them here, I'd put them up. I'm sorry. I don't
But uh, it's been fun. I totally enjoyed this conversation. I know it was going to be great
I totally appreciate it a lot so good. Thank you everyone for chiming in in the uh
In the chat, I know I've missed comments, but I apologize. I can only do
Two or five things at one time
You need somebody else doing your doing your production and that
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, that's kind of not not in my wheelhouse at the moment
But uh, yeah, we didn't even scratch the surface of digital id
So I do recommend going and getting that course
Since it's going to be updated. This is part of that, you know, when people learn over time
That's actually I appreciate that kind of a format
That you can update it and that people can get access to the changes that that take place
I often do my work
I had to I had to close out some older courses because I'm just not
You know, I can't go and and fix what's there and enough has changed
That I I need it to be totally updated
Based on new knowledge and so that's a wonderful
Um framework to run. Yeah, I just like the idea of doing that because um
I just went through too much experience of
Seeing where people went up like it's not that you know, we're always learning and growing but also you can always improve something as well
So I like the idea of for example, you know, your son does music and that like for example
I like it with my um my music production
Software like every you buy it and you buy it once but every time they update it and then add new features
It's all included because you've already bought it. I really like that model
So that's why I wanted to do my course the same sort of way where updates and improvement
Just you never have to
Rebuy a course or whatever it's just you bought it you invested in it and then that's the that's how it works
It's just improvements in that
As it goes
Yeah, yeah, and then you can polish your stone and uh and do it a long time lifetime with people
So speaking of my son, I did want to shout out to him that uh, liam martins. I can say his name
He's an adult now and he's uh does go by psycho on
On s a i k o
With some weird things in there, but there is a link below in the show notes
If you'd like to go and sub to him in uh as that's the way I thank him for providing the music
He's playing the the two pieces at the intro and the extra. So that's fun for me as a mama. He definitely uh
superseded me by far as a musician even his dad
He plays circles around his dad now which and his dad is like a lifetime professional musician
So it's kind of fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, isn't it great when the they make better on what they were given
It's it's like a million. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's so cool that you that his music's for doing your intro and outro
That's awesome. I love that
Thank you. Thanks now. He's got a full-time job and a full-time girlfriend
So I I have to make uh very specific plans with them and hold him down
To see him
but uh, I wish you well has has married life been um, uh
Extremely transformative. I end with a very. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny because like, you know
10 years ago, I would never have thought that I would do that. So it's just it's great
Well a lot of love to summer. I totally enjoyed meeting her and we just had a few exchanges
But I could feel her heart was very very big
Thanks. Appreciate that pass it on. Okay, you're welcome
already for once so I'm going to set up this uh, little outro by my son psycho liam martins and
Thank you very much. Tom. It's been an absolutely wonderful interview. I certainly enjoyed it
Okay, you're very welcome. Bye for now. Oh quickly to let you know tomorrow
We are coming at 2 30 p.m. Central standard time
November 6 for mike wilkerson stellium 7 and friday. I have a brand new show called beth of fresh air
And that was a new beginning for me that I've really enjoyed. I'm going to talk all about conveyance
This this weekend. I'm not talking about traveling in a car, but how we convey how we communicate what we get across
What can work what can fail and uh, and what we're actually ultimately at the end of the day trying to convey
So if you're not on my email list already, I can
Uh, invite you to do a king hero archetype quiz and in 10 minutes you find out your king hero archetype
Where you are you were talking about location is very important like to actually find yourself in in the context
And uh, and then I let people know every time that there's a live stream
So you'll have all of those details
And I think that's all for now
So have a beautiful rest of your day ahead of you now. It's evening. I I've been looking at the full moon the whole entire time
In my in my window. It's really nice
Nice. Yeah. Yeah, so nice to hang out with you. Thanks people for joining too
Likewise, okay. Bye for now. See ya