WEBVTT 00:59.630 --> 01:07.290 Hello and welcome to the King Hero's Journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens. It's November 5th at 5 p.m. Central Standard Time 01:08.830 --> 01:12.790 So if you haven't been to this podcast before welcome great to have you here 01:12.790 --> 01:18.670 I just want to make a few announcements before we get started Tom Barnett is joining us for an interview today 01:18.670 --> 01:24.550 I'm super super excited. I was lucky to see him in an archipelago last February in 01:25.230 --> 01:28.010 Person and I've had this in mind ever since so 01:28.570 --> 01:30.290 We've had a time change here 01:30.290 --> 01:37.410 I know a lot of people have experienced that I was thinking that the government should create or our government should create a 01:37.410 --> 01:41.670 department of time change and just make it like okay, this is a thing and 01:42.470 --> 01:45.330 Then they should install a new 01:46.430 --> 01:50.610 Edition to the DSM and call it time change disorder 01:51.250 --> 01:56.950 So I'm definitely suffering this disorder and it seems to be a cumulative over a lifetime 01:56.950 --> 02:02.350 So it is getting worse and I think that qualifies me for benefits. What do you guys think? 02:03.770 --> 02:05.790 let me know in the chat and 02:05.790 --> 02:09.170 So tomorrow there might have been some confusion about this interview 02:09.170 --> 02:15.510 I'm praying and hoping that enough people caught on to the time we had to reschedule from last week 02:15.510 --> 02:20.690 So I'm super happy that we could do this now and I did mess up the time 02:20.690 --> 02:22.690 looks like we're live on rumble by the way and 02:23.270 --> 02:27.210 Fakebook and YouTube if you want to jump in the comments and let me know that you're there 02:27.210 --> 02:32.330 That'd be awesome. Also on vigilante TV if that worked out and then tomorrow 02:32.330 --> 02:37.410 I am hosting Mike Wilkerson who's also known as stallions stallion 7 at 02:38.110 --> 02:43.770 230 p.m. Central standard time that is a change from our original scheduled 3 p.m. 02:43.810 --> 02:46.130 So you can check all of the links 02:46.130 --> 02:50.110 I will drop them in the in the chat as we go 02:50.110 --> 02:57.190 But you'll find them in the interviews themselves either on YouTube or rumble can't be set up in advance when I'm running another stream 02:57.190 --> 03:03.450 So they're just all these little funny complications, but without further ado, I'm going to bring Tom on 03:07.050 --> 03:13.130 Hello Tom welcome howdy Beth thanks for having me good to see you very welcome very welcome 03:13.130 --> 03:17.910 Yeah, yeah between detoxing and time zone changes and 03:18.770 --> 03:24.770 Rescheduling and all that kind of thing I got a little thrown off. So apologies to maybe I didn't you're probably the only person 03:24.770 --> 03:25.630 I didn't confuse 03:26.490 --> 03:30.770 Yeah, and I was you know, we I'm used to it. We're used to it in Australia. It's always a company in changing times 03:31.670 --> 03:34.870 Right, right. Yeah, you guys go through that as well, right? Okay 03:36.170 --> 03:42.810 So we're super super or I'm super excited to talk today about free will which is my favorite 03:43.130 --> 03:47.600 Subject so much so that I named my association the house of free will and 03:48.470 --> 03:52.350 Welcome Ronix so I can see Facebook is working. That's awesome 03:52.910 --> 03:56.050 And yeah, this is a pretty fun subject for me 03:56.050 --> 03:59.990 And I didn't think it was the first time I ever heard anything like it 03:59.990 --> 04:06.130 But the question that is free will actually a given so we're gonna explore that at length 04:06.130 --> 04:11.430 What what that is some people would say we don't have free will at all and that not only 04:11.430 --> 04:17.910 You're you're positing that it's earned not just given and then some people think it doesn't exist 04:18.590 --> 04:20.710 That maybe it's all fate. It's all 04:20.710 --> 04:23.830 Predetermined or something like that. I don't think you're coming from that place 04:23.830 --> 04:25.790 So we will get deep into it 04:25.790 --> 04:31.030 and I just wanted to ask you a couple of questions in advance and get you to 04:31.610 --> 04:36.490 Introduce yourself if there's anything that you want to share about what you're up to these days 04:36.490 --> 04:41.410 I know a lot of people in this community already know you but it never hurts for the person that doesn't know you 04:41.430 --> 04:45.530 To have a better sense of who you are 04:46.550 --> 04:51.210 Sure, so thanks for having me and for those that don't know my name's Tom and I 04:51.210 --> 04:54.470 previously my profession was a holistic health practitioner and 04:55.250 --> 04:57.250 As I was growing through that journey 04:57.810 --> 05:00.550 I was getting more and more disillusioned with the world and 05:01.250 --> 05:03.310 Dropped out to take up film and photography 05:03.310 --> 05:09.230 So I decided that I would just live a life behind the lens not really participate in society or the world and just help 05:09.230 --> 05:10.430 tell other people's stories 05:11.070 --> 05:11.550 until 05:12.050 --> 05:18.430 2020 and that's when I made a video for myself called can you catch a virus because I was just I couldn't believe people were falling for the 05:18.430 --> 05:20.430 COVID thing and 05:20.430 --> 05:23.570 then I tried to avoid the attention that came out for a while, but 05:24.570 --> 05:29.950 After a few months of trying to avoid that attention. I eventually had to start making my own content again 05:30.490 --> 05:33.250 And so I've been since teaching people about how 05:34.190 --> 05:38.590 Essentially if we boil it down, it's all natural law even when I was doing health and holistic health 05:38.590 --> 05:41.570 That's still natural law and so today it's more about 05:42.190 --> 05:49.010 Combining the aspects of how this realm is governed so that people can find themselves to a better degree and then live a better life 05:49.010 --> 05:50.450 As a result more on their terms 05:51.570 --> 05:53.030 That's beautiful. I love that 05:53.030 --> 05:56.990 by the way before I forget I wanted to thank you so much for when we did meet in 05:56.990 --> 06:01.910 Narkapoko and I went like kaboom down with a you know what detox 06:01.910 --> 06:04.350 I guess is the only way really to describe that and 06:05.050 --> 06:06.550 you showed up and 06:06.550 --> 06:12.850 Brought me some homeopathy and that meant a lot to me. So in case I didn't express that I just want to let you know 06:12.850 --> 06:16.270 Yeah, welcome. Yeah. Yeah, it was so nice to me 06:16.950 --> 06:22.230 Yeah, no, that was a bummer because it happened on like the second day or something in it was it was a good 06:22.230 --> 06:25.050 It was a good time and just hanging with the crew there in Mexico 06:25.790 --> 06:28.070 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it was super fun and very 06:28.830 --> 06:29.230 bizarre 06:29.950 --> 06:35.790 perspective from my my place wasn't what I planned to be to be laying out I made it for the 06:36.550 --> 06:42.310 They call it that it wasn't the introduction but the orientation. So I made it for that and then the next day it was just over like 06:42.310 --> 06:44.730 Yeah, yeah, kind of crazy 06:44.730 --> 06:48.830 I kind of vowed that I'm not going back to Mexico during that trip 06:48.830 --> 06:52.170 Like there's just so many things that are really hard and the travel 06:52.170 --> 06:57.310 I'm really glad they moved the location over to Puerto Vallarta because it's so much easier to get to I 06:58.790 --> 07:02.170 Don't know where that is. But yeah, I knew that that was the last one where we had it 07:02.170 --> 07:04.990 So kind of cool that we've got the last one there, I guess 07:04.990 --> 07:11.890 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's special in its own right, but there's I don't know a lot of things just the travel for a Canadian 07:11.890 --> 07:15.530 It's insane. It took me two days to get there and two days to get back 07:16.450 --> 07:23.570 So, yeah, yeah, I'm happy for them. So we're gonna. Yeah, go ahead. No, I didn't think it was that far. That's crazy 07:24.710 --> 07:32.010 Yeah, it's stupid over nights in poison hotels and and the have you noticed by the way before we get into it 07:32.010 --> 07:36.590 Since you do a lot of traveling for your work that the whole, you know 07:37.830 --> 07:45.190 Security and the regulations and everything has just become so exponentially absurd 07:48.790 --> 07:56.850 Well in Australia, it's already kind of the worst so it didn't really seem overly bad to me 07:57.710 --> 08:02.370 The only difference was when we left the states to go to Mexico. You had to take your shoes off to go through the 08:03.150 --> 08:06.910 And I'm like, of course people kind of like made sense. I didn't find it overly 08:08.410 --> 08:13.350 Obtrusive at all, but obviously I can see that it is getting more that way for sure 08:14.130 --> 08:16.410 I think we all have different experiences though 08:16.410 --> 08:21.930 like I've been telling people this on different podcasts like we generally have pretty good runs going through airports and 08:23.070 --> 08:24.270 You notice that 08:24.790 --> 08:31.210 Certain people seem to have more of an issue and more than others and I think it's the way we're carrying ourselves through the world in 08:31.210 --> 08:33.410 general, I think that has a lot to do with it, but 08:34.550 --> 08:40.130 Yeah, I've heard people swear that they'll never get on a flight again since kind of 2020 and I'm kind of why 08:40.130 --> 08:44.370 I don't know why you would stop the idea of something 08:44.970 --> 08:49.610 Preventing you go into another land to experience something new because it's like when people said don't go to the states 08:49.610 --> 08:52.750 It's horrible and we had a great time in the states and they say I don't go to 08:53.250 --> 08:57.310 So in play every place we went to the people said don't go there. We had an amazing time 08:57.310 --> 09:03.930 Like they people think that because of what they hear on social media or this construct of their mind that has been implanted 09:03.930 --> 09:06.350 Or that they've created it really prevents them living a life 09:06.910 --> 09:12.730 So me and summer we just don't want it to let that happen. So, um, you know, even if things get more 09:13.790 --> 09:17.130 Stringent at airports will still have ways to deal with that 09:17.770 --> 09:27.030 Right, right. Yeah, there is so many individual experiences in the world of regulation and law and the you know, navigating the public that 09:27.750 --> 09:30.230 I've seen that over time where certain 09:31.150 --> 09:37.210 Circumstances other people like literally during the 2020 mask thing. I was with a friend who didn't 09:37.870 --> 09:44.050 Want to fight with the store clerk and she just would mask up and go in and I said, well, you know what? 09:44.050 --> 09:47.630 We'll go in together. I've been getting my needs met without a mask 09:47.630 --> 09:51.030 We'll go in together and and maybe we'll just be able to shop freely 09:51.030 --> 09:57.330 Well, we both came in at the same time two people headed us off. So we got split up 09:57.330 --> 10:04.470 I had an interaction exchange with one of the people and they let me stay and then they made her leave 10:05.730 --> 10:09.470 Right, so we were like right together, but there was exactly what you're saying 10:09.470 --> 10:13.310 She had this paradigm that oh, I'm gonna get caught. They won't let me 10:13.890 --> 10:18.730 And and that's exactly what ended up happening to her. So that was fascinating 10:19.790 --> 10:23.750 Yeah, it's a lot of times especially if we believe we're doing something wrong 10:23.750 --> 10:28.750 We'll act like we're doing something wrong and that begets a different result from somebody who has a different knowing 10:29.310 --> 10:32.510 Which is all, you know, that's everything that I helped to 10:33.270 --> 10:38.710 Talk about these days is how and why that occurs and why it's so important to get to know yourself because without that 10:38.710 --> 10:40.370 and you're hoping for things like 10:40.930 --> 10:44.190 Rules or laws or somebody else to save you or some kind of 10:44.690 --> 10:50.090 Believe system to save you it really can only go so far and most often it doesn't really give you a real world 10:50.790 --> 10:54.150 Result so part of it is the reason that you would have had that result 10:54.150 --> 10:57.750 Is just because you know, you're not doing anything wrong. You're just standing in who you are 10:57.750 --> 11:01.230 Moving into where you know, you can go whereas somebody else is kind of going 11:01.750 --> 11:06.130 I'm a bad girl. I'm a bad boy. I remember whatever they're kind of like in that childlike state 11:06.630 --> 11:07.930 And then expecting 11:08.510 --> 11:14.810 Almost a result or hoping for something, but it's not who they are. So they they only they're only really going to get 11:15.670 --> 11:23.770 An expression or a representation of who they are not what they really want or because they're like that unconscious belief system's gonna overrule 11:24.530 --> 11:24.810 the 11:24.810 --> 11:26.690 That one every day of the week 11:27.370 --> 11:31.290 Exactly. Yeah, it's kind of like it's not just dogs that smell fear everybody 11:31.970 --> 11:37.270 Somewhere registers fear. So if you have that then that's part of the mix and part of the influence 11:38.510 --> 11:44.230 Also say that it's it's you know, you can have you have you notice this also that you can be in a really good place 11:44.230 --> 11:46.750 And you're not coming from fear and you know who you are 11:46.750 --> 11:50.930 You don't feel like you're doing anything wrong, but they still throw the book at you 11:51.930 --> 11:57.450 Somehow yeah, yeah, and that would that would indicate that that's part of a hero's journey to begin from that point 11:57.990 --> 12:01.110 Nice. Yeah, that's a beautiful reframe because when I was going through 12:01.690 --> 12:05.810 to uh, an archipelago, I had to pass our u.s. American 12:06.730 --> 12:09.350 border in in winnipeg right in our our 12:10.010 --> 12:12.710 Airport we we move into the u.s. 12:13.030 --> 12:16.930 And I went up and I I felt just fine and there was like no problem 12:16.930 --> 12:21.450 And I I went to the guy and I said I'd like to opt out of the facial recognition cameras 12:21.450 --> 12:24.850 Please being polite. No no, you know, no pride around it 12:24.850 --> 12:28.990 I I just fully expected that I could opt out opt out and he goes oh 12:30.470 --> 12:36.510 Well come with me then like this he just and and they threw the book at me. They ended up fingerprinting me 12:37.430 --> 12:41.410 On threat of I wasn't going to go anywhere. I mean I could have backed out of the trip 12:41.930 --> 12:46.030 But that didn't seem like a good option at the time by any means and yeah 12:46.030 --> 12:50.230 They were super abusive and yelling at me and stuff and it was like wow, okay 12:50.230 --> 12:52.110 That was a really good start to the trip 12:53.150 --> 12:53.930 Yeah, wow 12:54.470 --> 12:56.030 Yeah, yeah, it was a time when 12:56.030 --> 13:01.750 Also, all the tariffs were happening and they were manufacturing a lot more conflict between the u.s. And canada 13:01.750 --> 13:06.390 So I wondered if there was a little bit of that in the mix just the politics of the day 13:06.390 --> 13:08.770 Same thing happened coming through the u.s 13:09.870 --> 13:14.450 To return from a mec from mexico. It was the same thing. I tried to opt out and he's going 13:14.450 --> 13:16.470 Oh, just go stand over there then 13:17.970 --> 13:24.310 Right all right. Yeah, and I said to him. Well, are you forcing me to do this camera? He said yes, and I said, okay 13:24.310 --> 13:25.370 I'll then I'll do it 13:26.770 --> 13:30.410 Yeah, that's just when you that's just uh, so in a situation like that 13:30.410 --> 13:34.830 It's just knowing how to handle that like what's breaking down what's actually happening 13:34.830 --> 13:40.310 So no one can force you to do that. You just have to then question how and why and what they're doing 13:41.070 --> 13:42.270 It's um, which is 13:42.270 --> 13:46.450 Obviously involved it takes a little bit of time to practice that kind of like a martial art 13:46.450 --> 13:47.510 You know, you people say 13:47.930 --> 13:52.810 I got shoved up against the wall and there was nothing I could do or I just went with it and it's like well 13:52.810 --> 13:56.330 You know, there's a lot of things you could do but first you need to know what to do 13:56.330 --> 13:58.230 You have to train that so that it becomes 13:58.870 --> 14:00.070 a um natural 14:01.110 --> 14:06.490 Mechanism that's within you not thinking or having to like you're not stunned as that happens to try to think about 14:06.490 --> 14:09.910 What to do and then you do the repetitions to make that part of you 14:09.910 --> 14:15.290 So it's very similar to I call it verbal jujitsu essentially because when you're dealing with people like that 14:15.290 --> 14:20.970 They have a preset paradigm and anything outside of that might make them aggressive or 14:20.970 --> 14:23.810 Because they don't even know what they're doing half of the time 14:23.810 --> 14:28.410 And the reason they get away with it is because people don't know how to call that out in the moment 14:28.410 --> 14:33.290 In a way that will still keep them safe and not aggregate aggravate them further or cause 14:33.810 --> 14:34.970 You know like physical 14:36.010 --> 14:37.290 altercations or something like that 14:37.930 --> 14:38.150 so 14:38.790 --> 14:43.290 Yeah, there's definitely ways because people think that it's going that way and that's just the way it is but if 14:43.290 --> 14:46.910 If they do that to somebody who knows what's going on 14:46.910 --> 14:50.670 They're not going to get very far with doing that and actually be there undoing 14:50.670 --> 14:55.550 But not enough people really know how to handle those situations yet. So that's one of the reasons why 14:56.130 --> 14:57.370 in that realm 14:57.930 --> 15:04.310 Those types of people think that they can just push it way further than their actual powers of responsibility 15:04.810 --> 15:05.790 Allow them to do 15:06.350 --> 15:09.630 So yeah, it does exist for sure, but um doesn't have to 15:10.830 --> 15:14.050 So do you mind if I ask I hear everything that you're saying do you mind if I ask 15:14.050 --> 15:17.410 This was the part that I couldn't respond to they both on both 15:17.410 --> 15:22.110 The entry me and the exit said you have no rights here 15:24.530 --> 15:27.450 So is that because I was in the u.s 15:28.470 --> 15:28.870 So 15:29.510 --> 15:33.450 You mean as a canadian you have no rights in the u.s. That's right 15:35.210 --> 15:40.570 So the way it works in australia for example is that and I've done this in an airport where the 15:40.570 --> 15:43.750 Staff at the airport say that I can't do something 15:44.590 --> 15:46.890 And they say that it's because it's airport policy 15:46.890 --> 15:49.750 So I just bring up the fact that I just ask a say 15:49.750 --> 15:54.130 So does the airport write the laws because what they're kind of saying without saying it? 15:54.170 --> 15:58.270 Which is what I call out is are you saying that you are higher up than federal laws? 15:58.630 --> 16:04.710 So is there a federal law that says that an airport staff can do whatever to a patron? 16:05.090 --> 16:08.490 Because you're in a commercial environment. It's privatized. So it's like run by 16:09.130 --> 16:11.270 What it's a private environment. So 16:11.930 --> 16:15.450 A company can't tell somebody what to do with their body or whatever 16:15.450 --> 16:18.370 They can have their policies like you can't come in unless you dress well 16:18.890 --> 16:19.450 That's fine 16:19.450 --> 16:24.050 But you also then can't discriminate so you can't say you're not wearing 16:24.570 --> 16:25.770 You know the right label 16:26.330 --> 16:31.450 Or something or you're black or you're um asian you can't do that 16:31.450 --> 16:38.270 But if you're not dressed well, that's not discrimination. That's just look you just don't meet our standards of entry into this premises and as a private 16:38.790 --> 16:42.410 You know a company or a private enterprise you have the right to do that 16:42.410 --> 16:47.950 But you don't have the right to infringe on people's actual rights which come under federal laws and legislations 16:47.950 --> 16:54.050 So there's that's why uh, a lot of this gets muddied up is people think that because they're in a position of a private company 16:54.050 --> 17:01.150 That they are somehow that's the law, but it's not they're in many many cases. They're actually going against the laws 17:01.150 --> 17:06.850 So when you actually bring that to attention they they can back down real fast because they realize that not only can they get in trouble for that 17:07.330 --> 17:08.930 um, but it can be pretty 17:09.530 --> 17:14.550 I mean when I say trouble, I mean they can it can be pretty bad if you're doing that at that level 17:15.230 --> 17:16.230 So it's just 17:16.230 --> 17:21.410 Having that as a knowing so that you're not freaking out and you're picking your battles because that's the main thing is learning how to 17:21.410 --> 17:24.890 Pick battles and if you if you pick the wrong battle, it's always going to go bad 17:25.490 --> 17:31.350 And if you put in too much of a reaction or too much force or something that doesn't require that it's going to go bad 17:31.790 --> 17:33.070 Because of the equal and opposite 17:33.650 --> 17:39.290 Reaction so again, it's just like it's a learning process like anything, you know, somebody feels freaked out 17:39.790 --> 17:41.810 they generally overreact and 17:41.810 --> 17:48.030 And when it's like something physical when they don't need to so that will usually cause more harm to them. So 17:48.570 --> 17:50.650 um, yeah, there's a lot in it, but 17:51.290 --> 17:53.290 When you're in another country 17:53.790 --> 17:55.250 Sometimes I won't we're in Mexico 17:55.250 --> 18:00.730 I was never going to pretend that I knew how to handle Mexican police because I don't I didn't even speak the language 18:00.730 --> 18:06.750 So I'm not going to do the same things that I would do in Australia in Mexico because I got to know who I am 18:06.750 --> 18:12.450 I got to know the the new jungle that I I'm in and where I'm at in the pecking order because I don't know the lay of the land 18:13.450 --> 18:13.850 So 18:14.510 --> 18:19.290 There would be different. However in a like a Commonwealth English speaking 18:20.110 --> 18:24.210 Country, I would definitely be standing my ground a lot more and asking those kinds of questions 18:24.890 --> 18:29.090 Um, is that the case for a Canadian citizen in America? I don't know 18:29.090 --> 18:32.010 but I would I would highly doubt that you're uh 18:32.670 --> 18:34.870 You're considered to have no rights 18:35.460 --> 18:41.230 Because you're in an airport. Um, when you get to a border, this is probably going too deep into it. We don't it'll confuse people 18:41.230 --> 18:43.810 But when you're at a border, it's just a quickly say yeah 18:43.810 --> 18:46.970 Just to quickly say this is the border in both cases 18:46.970 --> 18:50.410 It was the border because they've got those installed in airports 18:51.140 --> 18:57.390 For those border passings. So you're actually in the same airport. You're going from one country to the next country 18:58.110 --> 19:01.430 And what I noticed is that the the borders have 19:02.710 --> 19:05.730 extraordinary power in a very small jurisdiction 19:06.950 --> 19:10.270 And we got detained at the border coming from 19:10.910 --> 19:14.810 From the u.s. Into Canada driving as well being way too casual 19:15.470 --> 19:18.510 And uh, and and I was arguing about the charge of something 19:18.510 --> 19:23.830 They wanted to charge me duty on something and they quoted me more money inside than they did outside 19:24.410 --> 19:25.410 So I said, oh 19:25.410 --> 19:31.310 What's this and he goes the same thing. Oh, you can just go sit over there then and I'm like, you know what? 19:31.370 --> 19:34.890 We need to get home. I'll pay your extortion fee and we'll we'll get out of here 19:34.890 --> 19:41.270 He didn't like that turns out. I'll I'll never use the word extortion fee again in in authority 19:41.950 --> 19:48.770 And uh, and they called over the guys with the guns and as I tried to leave they surrounded me and I'm like, um 19:48.770 --> 19:53.350 Am I being detained and he said no, but all of your possessions and vehicle are 19:54.070 --> 19:56.330 Like this and it's like, oh, okay. Wow 19:56.870 --> 19:58.990 And I did try some of the like, oh, you know 19:59.450 --> 20:06.230 Not using the words good goods and trying to say, you know, these are my just my personal personal effects and stuff like that 20:06.230 --> 20:10.990 And and and it escalated and they got mad and really upset and 20:12.090 --> 20:16.550 Stuff so yeah, yeah, well, you know, you know the expression if you give an inch they'll take a mile 20:16.550 --> 20:21.030 That's what happens is when in the in the initial interaction when it's 20:21.030 --> 20:25.650 Kind of made evident who you who you are in relation to the offer or the claim 20:25.650 --> 20:28.170 That it can just go down here real fast 20:28.170 --> 20:31.750 I see that all the time when in police interaction videos on youtube where people 20:32.190 --> 20:37.210 Think that because they've learned some kind of common law stuff or whatever they think that they know how to um 20:37.830 --> 20:43.270 Handle a traffic stop and immediately when when they say the first words to the police officer 20:43.270 --> 20:49.050 I I can already tell what the outcome is going to be because it's um, yeah, it's not it's not going to go 20:49.050 --> 20:49.850 Well, that's for sure 20:50.410 --> 20:55.930 Yeah, that was a great error on my part. Yeah. Yeah, and then they ended up finding airsoft guns in the in the truck 20:55.930 --> 20:57.530 They should not have been there 20:57.950 --> 20:58.590 You know 20:58.590 --> 21:03.610 They acted like they were real and he's jumping up and down going you could turn us into a real 21:04.430 --> 21:09.430 Firearm, you know, you're like, no, we know we can't but by that point like you said it had already 21:10.170 --> 21:16.130 Tumbled way down. Yeah, you've got to learn how to handle. Yeah, that's a whole other topic that would take me like 21:16.730 --> 21:21.090 That that's a whole thing that would take hours to teach people how to handle that sort of stuff 21:21.090 --> 21:25.470 And why things go that way and how to prevent it. It's not really a podcast kind of um 21:26.210 --> 21:35.430 Subject and there's the dog the dogs just let himself in i'm gonna have to put him outside one second. Okay 21:35.430 --> 21:41.410 No worries, yeah, I couldn't help asking his opinion on those things 21:41.850 --> 21:47.410 Those funny things it did teach me big time when I got in trouble like that of my son was with me 21:47.410 --> 21:49.750 It taught him he grew up a lot that night 21:50.430 --> 21:54.310 And uh, yeah, so I won't press it like tom said it's more like that's more like a workshop 21:54.310 --> 21:59.670 and I totally understand and uh ron was saying tom had a huge impact on you 22:00.350 --> 22:07.090 Welcome to at coke seems predetermined with some choice. Yeah, interesting. We'll get into it. Hello, stacey sunshine 22:07.090 --> 22:14.170 Nice to see you. Maybe we have choices, but could also be predetermined. So yeah, well, it's we're gonna really get into it now 22:15.150 --> 22:15.850 um 22:16.590 --> 22:17.290 so 22:18.690 --> 22:21.790 Just as a way to kind of introduce things 22:22.340 --> 22:32.610 I'm curious what of your beliefs have changed over the last say almost six years that could be in law health 22:33.200 --> 22:34.970 or various arenas 22:36.230 --> 22:36.830 Uh 22:37.670 --> 22:40.890 Well, that's a good question. Um, uh beliefs 22:42.330 --> 22:46.490 Um, or how you see things how you learn something 22:47.190 --> 22:53.190 I I guess the the nature of the realm. I think until about 2019. I thought we're on a ball 22:54.150 --> 22:54.750 um 22:55.210 --> 22:59.890 A lot of things made more sense after I started to dissolve that kind of 23:00.490 --> 23:01.790 illusion and narrative 23:02.530 --> 23:08.410 Things that I used it's funny because when I was hearing other people talk about it like santos bonacci and other people 23:08.410 --> 23:10.170 They would still teach their same 23:11.150 --> 23:16.410 Principles and a lot of it comes from Vedic scripture and what have you and they were applying it to like a 23:16.410 --> 23:18.490 A um heliocentric model 23:18.970 --> 23:25.150 But then it didn't really change what they were teaching it just made things make more sense and it gave more 23:25.150 --> 23:29.950 Breaks to it once they dissolved that paradigm and came to a another one 23:29.950 --> 23:34.350 So I guess for me it's I've always questioned beliefs 23:34.990 --> 23:41.910 Since I was young it's why I was a like a quote-unquote troublemaker in school because I really felt that a lot of beliefs 23:42.410 --> 23:47.550 Like all beliefs were a form of ignorance because I'm like, but if you believe something it means you don't know it 23:47.550 --> 23:52.370 So you're trying to bridge a gap between not knowing and wanting to know so there's that's what a belief is 23:53.070 --> 23:55.170 And um, it used to really rub people 23:55.170 --> 23:57.550 it was it was quite a um 23:58.390 --> 24:00.930 Especially coming from a young person to an adult 24:00.930 --> 24:07.730 It was very abrasive towards an adult to hear a younger person say that because it was kind of threatening to them 24:07.730 --> 24:10.510 and they'll and so that didn't go well a lot of times but 24:11.050 --> 24:15.650 uh, I've always just for myself tried not to hold on to a belief system and and 24:16.270 --> 24:20.230 I could have beliefs but I'd always hold that there's a possibility that's not true 24:20.230 --> 24:25.250 So what if my what if my strongest belief isn't true? I would always hold that as a possibility as well 24:25.250 --> 24:31.830 So then when something comes to me like there are you can't catch viruses or then your viruses don't even really exist 24:31.830 --> 24:37.770 Or when maybe not on this nasa ball. It's really easy for me to just go. Okay. Yeah, I can see a 24:37.770 --> 24:41.650 Okay, like I don't hold on to something so dearly. It's like a death 24:41.650 --> 24:45.490 if my belief of something is threatened then and 24:45.990 --> 24:49.950 Certainly wouldn't kill somebody over it, you know, like a lot of people have done in the past 24:50.670 --> 24:54.750 I know I know exactly. Yeah, I sometimes when I ask questions about 24:55.470 --> 25:01.070 Beliefs I have to swap out knowing because you know, a lot of people have become enlightened about their beliefs being 25:01.070 --> 25:07.370 Not necessarily based in reality that they're something that if I use a polite term 25:07.370 --> 25:10.930 It's it's like when you don't know then you make shit up 25:12.210 --> 25:16.690 That's that's the tendency that I've recognized in myself and people 25:17.370 --> 25:23.470 Sure. Yeah, and it's you you're kind of like joining imaginary dots with something that's not really there and it's cool 25:23.470 --> 25:24.910 That's how we function as well 25:24.910 --> 25:29.830 You know, some of it's a survival mechanism to feel safety and security even if it's not really there 25:29.830 --> 25:32.670 You try to create it some way, which is like there's nothing wrong with that 25:32.670 --> 25:37.250 But for yourself on a personal level, I think it's important to realize that 25:37.810 --> 25:41.410 Most oftentimes we don't actually know when being super like 25:42.130 --> 25:45.890 Strongheaded about something will be at the detriment of something internal within you 25:45.890 --> 25:50.830 It'll wear out an organ or a gland system. It'll prevent you accessing something deep within you 25:50.830 --> 25:53.470 That is actually going to provide that for real 25:53.470 --> 25:58.150 So we're swapping picture for substance and so on and so forth. So yeah, I mean everybody's different 25:58.150 --> 26:00.230 But for me, I try not to hold on to beliefs too hard 26:01.030 --> 26:02.170 Right, right exactly 26:02.170 --> 26:05.910 And the heart I think the harder maybe you just said this but the harder you hold on to 26:05.910 --> 26:12.390 Belief I think the more obligated the world is to give us circumstances that don't fit 26:13.010 --> 26:16.230 That don't work or you know that the belief can't function and 26:17.250 --> 26:21.090 Absolutely, we could be free that way speaking of 26:21.650 --> 26:26.310 So you were one of the first or or the first is certainly the first to me that came out 26:26.830 --> 26:30.970 In 2020 and and really questioned that is there actually 26:30.970 --> 26:32.550 a virus 26:33.210 --> 26:36.030 Out there and so how did you come to that knowledge? 26:36.130 --> 26:38.550 I'm going to be having Christine Massey on pretty soon 26:38.550 --> 26:42.270 I'm like super late to the party on that but I'm sure you know who she is 26:42.270 --> 26:44.450 How did you come across that? 26:45.130 --> 26:48.790 Knowledge and and did did you believe in viruses before then? 26:49.290 --> 26:50.910 And that's what yeah, I did 26:51.670 --> 26:55.810 I did because I studied medicine and I got really sick early 26:55.810 --> 27:00.810 It was like 20 early 20s. So which was 2002 27:01.670 --> 27:02.630 So I 27:03.210 --> 27:06.250 Was in trying to find out why I was so ill 27:06.250 --> 27:10.290 It was always leading to like a virus or viruses and so on and so forth 27:10.290 --> 27:15.610 So that was always in my mind like that was the reality and I had the had that as a belief system 27:16.510 --> 27:22.110 So then what happened was in my studies because I was studying holistic health. I came across 27:23.250 --> 27:25.150 Steiner and Antoine Baychamp 27:25.150 --> 27:30.710 And they were kind of like the contemporaries that were against like the antithesis to louis pasture who was talking about 27:31.270 --> 27:34.390 pasteurization and germs and incantations and things like that 27:34.390 --> 27:40.730 So I I was very open to it when I came across it because it sounded like intellectually kind of right 27:40.730 --> 27:43.270 And that's gonna have to let me he's actually trying to get out now 27:43.850 --> 27:44.250 Okay 27:48.830 --> 27:58.920 I think he was a cat wanting to go out. He's not even he's not even our dog 27:58.920 --> 28:02.660 He's um, we're just saying that this property and he's he's uh, we love him 28:02.660 --> 28:07.580 He's just like our best friend now, but he actually knows how to open the glass door. So I have to lock it 28:08.260 --> 28:08.700 Oh 28:09.460 --> 28:09.900 Fun 28:10.700 --> 28:12.960 That's hilarious. Oh good. That's better than a cat 28:13.600 --> 28:17.220 Yeah, but um, but so I I was very open to it 28:17.220 --> 28:19.140 But I didn't I was kind of like 28:19.660 --> 28:23.420 I get it and it makes sense intellectually in that but I was kind of like but 28:23.960 --> 28:26.780 Life is showing me something different. Like I was here 28:27.300 --> 28:28.980 They were there this happened 28:28.980 --> 28:32.440 So I'm like had to really work through but I was very open 28:32.440 --> 28:36.620 I never just rejected it straight away. I was quite open to it. So I went through my own 28:36.620 --> 28:42.000 series of experimentation and things and wanted to make sure that I was experiencing it 28:42.000 --> 28:46.240 In real life. So it was a life experience not just a knowledge based thing 28:46.240 --> 28:50.340 That's just running around in my head, which is you know, what a lot of us do us is 28:50.340 --> 28:53.480 We learned something we project that we learned something we project it like it's real 28:53.480 --> 28:56.240 But we've never embodied it. We haven't had the life experience of it 28:56.240 --> 29:02.180 We can't it's not an inner knowing where we can stand on that and just it is just that is 29:02.760 --> 29:08.460 How it is as opposed to it's a belief that like it's a knowledge thing that we just keep recycling around 29:09.000 --> 29:15.600 Um different mediums. So then it was so that by the time I was like sure of that it was about 2012 29:16.160 --> 29:20.640 So from 2012 to 2020 was like eight years. I had eight years of 29:21.380 --> 29:21.840 Really 29:22.660 --> 29:26.300 Not only with myself but working with people who were clients at the time on why 29:26.800 --> 29:31.700 There's no such thing as a contagion like a physical contagion. There is an energetic contagion 29:31.700 --> 29:38.180 Which is another story, but there's no physical germ and there's no physical virus in particular. So that's how I came to that 29:39.260 --> 29:44.760 And then yes, I went 2020 rolled around. I was already out of holistic health doing film and photography 29:45.360 --> 29:47.200 Trying to just ignore the whole thing 29:47.840 --> 29:50.340 And but then I had to speak and speak about it 29:50.640 --> 29:54.880 Right. What was that like when you saw everybody's going crazy? 29:55.260 --> 30:00.760 Was there any trepidation of any kind when you thought about speaking out or what was the spirit of that? 30:01.420 --> 30:03.120 No, I I just um 30:03.700 --> 30:06.220 in my egoic 30:06.780 --> 30:07.060 self 30:07.620 --> 30:11.520 I just can't sometimes I just sometimes I just still can't believe people do stuff 30:11.520 --> 30:16.460 Like I'll be driving along and someone's slowing down to like 40 in an 80 zone 30:16.460 --> 30:20.500 And I'm like there is no part of me that can comprehend unless you're having a heart attack 30:20.500 --> 30:22.340 Which I can see that you're not because you're just yapping 30:22.900 --> 30:26.020 There is nothing in me that can comprehend why you're doing that 30:26.020 --> 30:26.740 so 30:27.300 --> 30:31.080 When it was 2020 I was like come on like I can't I 30:31.740 --> 30:35.640 I was telling some people what I thought of it and they went they'll argue with me 30:35.640 --> 30:38.200 I'm like, why are you arguing me like I don't have time for this is stupid 30:38.200 --> 30:44.240 So I made a video that was supposed to go to 20 or 30 friends that were just continually asking me questions 30:44.240 --> 30:46.380 yet also arguing with me and I'm just like 30:47.180 --> 30:49.300 So I was a little bit flippant in that video 30:49.300 --> 30:54.300 Like you just saw my attitude then towards I can't I don't have time for that kind of attitude 30:54.880 --> 30:57.460 Which is my own attitude as well sounds like there 30:57.800 --> 31:01.920 But so I made the video thinking no one would see it except for those 30 people 31:01.920 --> 31:04.500 but it ended up getting shared like a million times so 31:04.500 --> 31:07.240 I had to then deal with the um with 31:07.860 --> 31:11.660 The next day going out in the street and people like oh, that's the guy from the video 31:11.660 --> 31:16.000 And I'm like holy shit like everybody in town saw it and then and then I realized everybody 31:16.540 --> 31:22.180 Well, not everybody but he's people throughout the world saw it and so that was a big paradigm shift for me and 31:22.720 --> 31:31.420 uh in needing to not only handle being recognized but to walk the walk because I said some very bold things in that video like 31:31.420 --> 31:35.240 And imagine being wrong about that like that could cost people their lives, you know 31:35.240 --> 31:39.340 Like it's it's one thing to make um clickbait ragebait videos on 31:39.340 --> 31:41.860 The internet just to make some wild claim 31:41.860 --> 31:47.220 But the thing is if you do that and that claim is wrong and that claim kills people that could be like really bad 31:47.220 --> 31:49.240 But I knew I wouldn't but it's just like 31:49.860 --> 31:51.780 there's there's meeting that potential 31:52.440 --> 31:56.700 uh energetic energetic that can come uh from that like it's very it's very strong 31:56.700 --> 32:02.220 so that was a part of my hero's journey to to be able to move through that and um and 32:02.720 --> 32:08.060 Step into that and take that up as a role and standing on the message that I was delivering 32:08.060 --> 32:09.840 Which was a big thing for me 32:10.420 --> 32:15.980 Amazing. Yeah, and I think a lot of us have that I I remember seeing that exact video if I'm not mistaken 32:16.620 --> 32:23.240 and uh, there was I I was on my little teeter totter wondering how to navigate and uh, 32:23.660 --> 32:29.980 I don't remember it really specifically, but I I remember this rising up and it's like, you know what if there's ever a time to speak 32:29.980 --> 32:31.220 It is now 32:31.740 --> 32:36.740 If if if I'm ever going to regret not speaking up it would be now 32:37.380 --> 32:41.160 And and was there a price to pay for that by the way? 32:43.120 --> 32:50.680 No, um, I mean it wasn't easy, but I so I mean yes, but it took the backlash and relationships and oh 32:50.680 --> 32:54.920 Yeah, but but um, I didn't see it as as uh as a price 32:54.920 --> 32:59.720 I mean it was not easy, but I didn't see it as a price because it was part of 32:59.720 --> 33:01.800 shedding of many things 33:02.620 --> 33:09.000 And so it was always worth it. It was always a sacrifice to be to gain something that I had to earn which was then worthwhile 33:09.620 --> 33:14.740 So yeah, I just I wouldn't have done it. I mean, I would have done it a little more uh, sophisticated 33:14.740 --> 33:17.000 But um, I wouldn't have changed what I did 33:18.300 --> 33:20.380 That's beautiful great courage 33:21.040 --> 33:23.980 helped a lot of us and um 33:24.720 --> 33:27.740 So I'm curious just before we dive in with free will 33:27.740 --> 33:33.440 Is there anything in what I would term to be the alternative law movement that 33:33.440 --> 33:38.900 Your knowing has changed about in the last six years since since 2020 33:40.000 --> 33:42.580 Well, okay. Yeah, that's a good one. Um 33:44.320 --> 33:47.920 I guess when I first started out in that which was 33:48.460 --> 33:48.780 like 33:48.780 --> 33:51.220 2010 or something like that 33:51.860 --> 33:53.400 It was more about 33:53.400 --> 33:59.040 Like resisting and fighting something like here is this system. It's wrong and this is what's right 33:59.640 --> 34:02.580 And so they don't go together. So they have to battle each other 34:03.140 --> 34:06.380 And that really didn't get very far and I saw so many people 34:07.500 --> 34:11.680 You know really not when I say fail. I mean they they got uh 34:12.640 --> 34:15.060 Crash that I think yeah bad things happen to them 34:15.060 --> 34:20.220 Let's just say that and then there were I saw a lot of people taking people for a ride and charging a lot of money 34:20.220 --> 34:22.420 For things people lost houses people went to jail 34:22.960 --> 34:24.360 People lost their life savings 34:25.520 --> 34:27.840 People's lives fell apart from from a lot of it 34:27.840 --> 34:34.300 And the reason is is because I believe that people were coming at it from a pure place of projecting onto something that I really didn't understand 34:35.260 --> 34:41.180 So the reason that I share the way I shared is because I'm coming from a place of knowing who you are first and foremost 34:41.720 --> 34:49.080 Which then leads to judgment discernment picking battles knowing who you are standing and then that's how you enter into the world 34:49.860 --> 34:54.280 And that gives a much much different and much more favorable result than like 34:54.280 --> 35:00.200 Let's do this process or you only have to say these words to a police person at a checkpoint or something like that 35:00.200 --> 35:03.940 Which almost invariably does nothing except cause harm 35:03.940 --> 35:10.220 Because people don't know who they are so they're not going through that kind of checklist of like why is this interaction happening 35:10.220 --> 35:12.820 What is that really who am I really? 35:13.460 --> 35:18.680 And then what's the standing relative to one another and then how do you pick battles and etc etc 35:18.680 --> 35:22.120 And how do you handle that? How do you stay stand in and stay in your power? 35:22.380 --> 35:26.720 And what is that power because it's not from a law. It's not from a piece of paper. It's not from like 35:27.360 --> 35:27.600 Some 35:28.100 --> 35:34.320 This government thing but that government thing and it's kind of like it's it doesn't really work that way in my experience 35:34.320 --> 35:35.940 So from when I started 35:36.620 --> 35:39.140 Um to what I do now it's much 35:39.140 --> 35:41.060 It's just completely 35:41.060 --> 35:46.760 at odds to how I started out because that's how I learned obviously, you know, as a natural kind of 35:47.460 --> 35:51.480 Rebellious rebellious person or a free thinker or whatever you want to call it 35:51.480 --> 35:57.720 Um, I was always questioning things like society and rules and and laws like why and how and what and 35:58.420 --> 36:03.500 So it's obviously, you know, you build up a bit of um anger and resentment and tension 36:04.060 --> 36:07.700 And then that kind of once you realize there's something you could say or there's a piece of paper 36:07.700 --> 36:11.980 That's different from what that you just like whoa, it's like this outpouring of I knew that was a way 36:11.980 --> 36:15.680 I knew there was hope or whatever. So then it's a little bit too much of that fighting 36:16.340 --> 36:21.480 Uh energy that goes into it or uh, I'm better than you or you can't do this to me or whatever 36:21.480 --> 36:24.040 Not everybody's like that, but that's a very common 36:24.040 --> 36:28.140 Uh energetic that goes along with it, which is why it doesn't really work out well 36:28.560 --> 36:32.440 And even the people that have been in it for decades and still doing the same thing 36:32.440 --> 36:34.660 Even if they get sporadic 36:34.660 --> 36:37.980 Results that they can kind of share with people and say therefore this works 36:37.980 --> 36:42.720 They're generally quite quite withered and gnarled and and very cynical about the world 36:42.720 --> 36:46.140 And i'm like, even if you're right even if what you're doing is correct 36:46.140 --> 36:49.860 I don't want to be like that in 10 years time. That does not look like a fun life 36:49.860 --> 36:53.700 Like that normie over there in my opinion has a better life than that guy 36:53.700 --> 37:00.100 Who's this anarchist guy who knows all of these legislative things, you know, who's who's the head satanist of whatever 37:00.100 --> 37:05.600 And i'm like, I don't care like that's you look bad. You look better. I would rather be a normie than like that 37:05.600 --> 37:06.740 Obviously, there's a middle ground 37:07.140 --> 37:10.220 Which is what i'm trying to help people uh figure out 37:15.230 --> 37:22.890 Sorry, I was muted. Uh, I did get a message that there was an echo on your side and i'm curious if you guys can give me some feedback 37:22.890 --> 37:25.310 On the chat. I assume you're not hearing the echo tom 37:26.330 --> 37:27.130 Wait, hello 37:27.130 --> 37:28.890 I can't hear an echo 37:29.550 --> 37:31.230 Right. So yeah 37:31.230 --> 37:34.930 No, I can't hear any echo. It sounds clean to me 37:34.930 --> 37:39.330 But uh halfway through when you were talking I muted just in case that was the 37:39.770 --> 37:46.030 The case but yeah, so if anyone else wants to let us know if there's they're hearing echoes, then we'll troubleshoot that 37:46.910 --> 37:51.490 So, um, yeah, so let's talk about free will how would you define that? 37:53.190 --> 37:58.250 So I can't remember what it was that you saw that you reached out to me to want to 37:58.250 --> 37:59.730 talk about it, um 38:00.290 --> 38:01.790 Do you remember what it was that I 38:04.350 --> 38:12.110 Yeah, yeah, I rewatched it and uh, I should have rewatched it like again today just to get it really specifically into my mind 38:12.810 --> 38:13.370 um 38:14.090 --> 38:18.470 Yeah, I'm I'm like a trap door on the concept of free will what were you talking about? 38:20.150 --> 38:25.950 It like basically just the punchline that it it's not a given it's not something that yeah 38:25.950 --> 38:28.150 So sorry, I can't give you more context. I should 38:28.750 --> 38:32.470 Oh, that's right. I was just wondering if it's just to give context to how you saw it, but 38:33.070 --> 38:33.510 um 38:33.510 --> 38:39.890 I've for a long time really not thought that we've had free will because of the amount of times that I 38:39.890 --> 38:44.950 thought that I exercised it but then grew through something because I'd learned something new 38:44.950 --> 38:46.290 I'd earned something different 38:46.290 --> 38:50.110 I'd sacrificed to actually have more of it and then I go, okay 38:50.110 --> 38:55.710 Well, what I had then wasn't really free will because you could argue and say it's relative free will and that would be correct 38:55.950 --> 38:56.670 so for example 38:57.490 --> 38:59.770 Like if I said I'm like look Beth 38:59.770 --> 39:03.730 I really like you so I'm going to give you your choice of pens in his three 39:03.730 --> 39:07.770 There's yellow green and purple and you're like good. I'm going to use my free will and take purple 39:08.270 --> 39:10.270 But behind my back. There's also red 39:11.010 --> 39:14.650 Indigo like what like what why haven't I given you those so you kind of like 39:15.510 --> 39:18.870 Oftentimes it's an illusion like in the in the context of what I'm offering 39:18.870 --> 39:21.850 You could say you have free will to even not take one or whatever 39:21.850 --> 39:28.350 But then there's so many other forces at play that are there to cause illusions and trick and what have you that it's 39:28.350 --> 39:31.550 I don't believe it's actual free will that that we have 39:31.550 --> 39:33.950 Until we've gone through enough 39:35.210 --> 39:37.910 You know like learning experiences we've earned 39:38.490 --> 39:43.850 The ability to actually discern and see through illusions and that's where we can have a lot more free will because a lot of people 39:43.850 --> 39:47.390 Don't even really know what they're doing with their life. So how can they really? 39:48.250 --> 39:50.370 Have free will in that context 39:50.370 --> 39:54.210 So the context is that based on what people know. Yeah, sure 39:54.210 --> 39:58.470 They can have free will based in the context of what they they know and what they have in front of them 39:58.470 --> 40:04.530 But the fact that there's so much more to not just life but their life and them that they haven't uncovered yet 40:04.530 --> 40:08.610 That's why I say it's like it's earned because if it was given 40:10.330 --> 40:15.010 There's if you look at people's lives and what they're choosing it's kind of it doesn't really represent 40:15.010 --> 40:18.090 It's kind of like you can predict it down to a T 40:18.690 --> 40:21.570 Which indicates that it's programmed more than it's chosen 40:22.330 --> 40:27.430 So then our choices programmed and you can add into that kind of conversation as well and in some cases 40:27.430 --> 40:28.390 I believe that they are 40:28.990 --> 40:34.810 Once somebody's gone through enough. So for example, a lot of what we do. It's just we're projecting from our 40:35.430 --> 40:38.290 Our shadow traits. We're projecting from programs 40:38.290 --> 40:44.090 We're projecting from our parents that are running through us like how are we free if we're shackled by 40:44.090 --> 40:48.150 The programs from even just our parents and that's just the tip of the iceberg 40:48.710 --> 40:52.410 So that's kind of the premise of it. We can talk about like any kind of 40:52.810 --> 40:58.330 Or debate on any kind of facet of that that's just kind of like the overall premise of it. Obviously, there's a lot more to it 40:58.330 --> 40:59.110 but that would be the 41:00.730 --> 41:01.850 The the cliff notes 41:02.590 --> 41:05.810 Nice, I found the video and it's only two minutes and 15 seconds 41:05.810 --> 41:10.230 Should I put it on and then you could get a little bit more context? Yeah, sure 41:10.790 --> 41:12.890 Okay, that sounds good. I'll do that right now 41:13.470 --> 41:17.410 And looks like the echo is gone. That's excellent. It's like hearing that 41:18.170 --> 41:20.510 And so I will start this up 41:23.970 --> 41:26.410 And people get excited about their own demise 41:26.410 --> 41:31.670 It's a beautiful thing. I think when people wake up because there's this mix of excitement and trepidation 41:31.670 --> 41:37.450 I think also a fairly predetermined set of parameters in how they react to waking up. So it's 41:37.450 --> 41:42.890 It's trepidous because you you wonder how deep does it go? Is it all a program? Is it all controlled? 41:43.230 --> 41:47.410 Is it all about taking from us? So we do we have any say in this world? 41:47.530 --> 41:53.170 Do we have any rights? Do we have is anything healthy anymore or the sky's healthy as a soil healthy is anything 41:53.770 --> 41:58.690 For us and not to take from us mixed with a bit of excitement because it's all new 41:58.690 --> 42:05.390 So you have access to new information access to new possibilities and it actually can when those two are not 42:06.870 --> 42:12.890 Integrated and balanced out you can find that the trepidation and the excitement actually marry together 42:12.890 --> 42:18.030 And people get excited about their own demise. So there's a tool song called vicarious 42:18.030 --> 42:23.830 Eye on the TV because tragedy thrills me whatever flavor it happens to be people are enthralled by 42:23.830 --> 42:33.110 Tragedy and death and destruction because it's equally like appalling and enthralling and when people do not separate and integrate those parts of their 42:33.110 --> 42:40.970 Shadow persona because we all have the capacity for evil. We all have the capacity for destruction and death and all the other things and we also as 42:41.670 --> 42:47.590 Hopefully good souls. We have the capacity for great empathy and love and protection and morals 42:48.470 --> 42:48.990 and 42:49.590 --> 42:51.390 What happens is those can get 42:51.910 --> 42:53.390 Mudded up as have been saying 42:54.050 --> 42:57.670 So we get excitedly trepidous about the world that surrounds us 42:57.670 --> 43:00.850 Which means that we are excitedly trepidous about our internal world 43:00.850 --> 43:04.590 Which means it's probably not the most happy place to be nor is it safe 43:05.230 --> 43:07.110 Nor is it necessarily moral 43:07.690 --> 43:09.130 And nor is it going to be fruitful 43:09.850 --> 43:16.770 It's going to be fruitful for the program that is there that will play out over time to a very very specific set of outcomes 43:16.770 --> 43:18.490 That have already been predetermined 43:18.490 --> 43:23.550 Hence why I say and a lot of other people also say that we do not actually have free will 43:23.550 --> 43:30.610 We have to earn the free will we have to be willing to go within and to break down a lot of these programs and constructs 43:30.610 --> 43:33.730 Before we can even glimpse free will let alone use it 43:34.450 --> 43:38.610 So accessing and using effectively are again two very different things 43:41.370 --> 43:49.110 Am I muted 43:52.970 --> 43:58.770 Sorry those auto plays are very annoying. I guess you didn't want to watch friends after that 43:59.310 --> 43:59.590 No 44:01.670 --> 44:04.150 Hello to for gardener nice to see you 44:04.150 --> 44:05.290 in common 44:06.850 --> 44:11.510 Since jilliet says you don't have free will if your land has a reserve bank, right? 44:11.710 --> 44:14.090 So these are some of the nuances around 44:14.830 --> 44:18.170 Around free will and so is there anything more that you'd like to say? 44:18.650 --> 44:20.310 Having seen the context first 44:21.090 --> 44:25.750 I guess that's kind of how I gave it before you played that because I do for me 44:25.750 --> 44:31.790 The what I've learned over time is it does have a lot to do with constructs and programs and like I said a lot of people are 44:32.770 --> 44:37.470 Living and a lot of us because we still are like I'm not through all of my programs yet 44:37.470 --> 44:42.070 I know that that's why I don't hold on to belief systems to any degree of veracity because 44:42.590 --> 44:47.790 I'm like the amount that I've been through already surely, you know some of what I have now is still 44:48.410 --> 44:50.370 Of the same kind of energetic 44:50.370 --> 44:50.830 so 44:51.290 --> 44:53.350 I think that that's what binds us 44:53.830 --> 44:58.630 And we do have the free will to overcome that but the thing is you have to earn that like are you willing to do that? 44:58.630 --> 45:00.330 What are you willing to sacrifice to do that? 45:00.450 --> 45:04.490 What are you willing to do to do that what heroes journey are you willing to go on? 45:04.990 --> 45:09.310 In order to break through that through that throughout that cycle come out the other side 45:09.810 --> 45:13.630 With more free will and what you started with but I do believe it has to be earned 45:14.150 --> 45:20.750 Um, I just can't look around the society and believe that people are exercising free will and that it's innately given to them 45:20.750 --> 45:23.670 I think innately it's there as a potential for sure 45:23.670 --> 45:27.450 Just like we innately have the potential if you're not a muggle for 45:27.870 --> 45:28.850 magic of sorts 45:29.890 --> 45:35.570 And uh, but you have to access that and what are you going to do to access that? You know, it's not just like oh, it's just there 45:36.270 --> 45:40.370 You know like it is but it isn't like it's there, but you have to earn it. You have to access it 45:40.370 --> 45:44.210 How do you access that it's not just given and and that's the nature of the realm? 45:44.330 --> 45:49.030 I believe it's like I just don't think that we're given things innately and when I hear 45:49.710 --> 45:54.530 Not not to put anyone down at all, but when people get super like 45:56.870 --> 45:57.650 They get 45:58.970 --> 46:05.710 So when when people can't even entertain the idea that it's opposite like we're talking before with belief systems 46:05.710 --> 46:10.650 The reason that I I could let go of them so easily was because I always held the possibility 46:10.650 --> 46:15.790 That wasn't true whatever I believed in like the earth or whatever or viruses. So 46:16.430 --> 46:22.390 When people just argue straight away, they're like, no, it's this and we're definitely given free will this is 46:22.390 --> 46:26.250 But they're not giving any evidence for it. I'm like, well, why do you need that and to me? 46:26.330 --> 46:27.450 What it means is that 46:27.450 --> 46:32.170 They're kind of in that childlike state still because if they don't have it 46:32.170 --> 46:35.450 How are they going to feel like they have any kind of state in this world whatsoever? 46:35.850 --> 46:40.190 And that's so scary and frightening for them that they lock down hard or on note 46:40.190 --> 46:44.590 I definitely have free will we're all given it. We don't have to earn it 46:45.150 --> 46:47.170 It's kind of like, you know, when people don't want to get off 46:47.710 --> 46:48.130 You know 46:48.130 --> 46:52.550 They want a universal basic income because they just they don't want to earn it 46:52.550 --> 46:55.070 They just want to have it because no, I should have it 46:55.070 --> 47:00.190 I'm entitled to it and I don't want to have to like dig deep and find a value that 47:00.590 --> 47:04.350 Clearly isn't presenting itself to the world right now because I'm in the position that I'm in 47:05.450 --> 47:11.070 And I just gonna have to I just want to believe that it's there already without me having to dig there and find it 47:11.070 --> 47:14.410 Because I don't know where to find it. So it's too scary. So they just go no, no 47:14.410 --> 47:17.910 We definitely deserve universal basic income. That's my value 47:17.910 --> 47:22.530 And I see the same similarity with free will when people just lock down and they're like, no 47:22.530 --> 47:25.770 We definitely have free will I don't have to dig in there and find it 47:26.610 --> 47:32.930 So that's why I say that it's most of what people are doing is it's an expression of a program or a construct 47:32.930 --> 47:36.870 That's playing out and that's why it's so predictable and that's why it's in such a limited 47:36.870 --> 47:42.530 Amount of parameters behavioral characteristics actions reactions thoughts feelings 47:44.190 --> 47:46.590 Even the even the creative pursuits 47:46.590 --> 47:51.870 So almost like down to a T you can you can predict that sort of stuff and then that would also be another indicator 47:51.870 --> 47:54.890 Is anyway, that's just how I see it. I don't say everybody has to believe it 47:54.890 --> 47:56.370 But that's just the topic of conversation 47:57.270 --> 48:03.870 No, I I like seeing through other people's eyes. I'm like you that I would rather go into a conversation 48:03.870 --> 48:06.610 I only put the question mark to make it a little bit more compelling 48:07.290 --> 48:12.210 rather than, you know, just a claim that this is an open inquiry, but 48:12.970 --> 48:15.110 I I like where you're coming from it because 48:15.710 --> 48:21.830 With it because you know, you look at certain people or maybe at yourself at times of your life 48:21.830 --> 48:24.570 Maybe it's not as much the case for me right now 48:24.570 --> 48:30.010 But then something can happen and I'll go back there and I will act as if I don't have free will 48:30.650 --> 48:34.170 I'll act as if I have to this or I have to that 48:34.750 --> 48:40.850 And so therefore it's like that free will doesn't exist because it's not being expressed 48:41.530 --> 48:42.970 Even if it's there in potential 48:44.390 --> 48:50.210 Yeah, for sure. It's I do. Yeah, it's there in potential for sure. I think one of the Taoist quotes that 48:50.970 --> 48:54.430 Ties in really nicely is the doing nothing and leaving nothing undone 48:54.430 --> 48:58.510 Because the guy that can actually do nothing and leave nothing undone is free 48:58.510 --> 49:04.850 The minute you have intent towards something or a strong pull towards something. It's not you that's coming from somewhere else 49:04.850 --> 49:10.090 So whatever actions occur from that projection is not of free will 49:10.090 --> 49:14.890 You can kind of try to find free will in that in ways, but it's kind of like a flavor of it 49:14.890 --> 49:17.190 It's not the real thing the guy that can actually 49:17.870 --> 49:23.010 Do nothing and leave nothing undone then has access to free will but not many people can do that 49:23.470 --> 49:29.050 Naturally people generally have to earn that through a lot of letting go and a lot of a lot of inner work 49:30.690 --> 49:33.090 Exactly. I've been diving in with the Bhagavad Gita 49:33.090 --> 49:39.450 I went to India eight times and I used to spend a lot of time in there and I wrote a bunch of music to the verses 49:39.450 --> 49:42.210 I learned enough Sanskrit to be able to pronounce them properly 49:42.210 --> 49:47.950 But I had kind of left it behind it was more in my past just on recordings and stuff like that 49:47.950 --> 49:55.750 And then so that's that's one of the primary tenants if you call it tenants in the in the the Gita is this what what I 49:55.750 --> 49:57.630 Have learned to call non-doership 49:58.470 --> 50:04.870 Where you you feel like you're not doing anything, but it's exactly that you leave nothing undone 50:06.010 --> 50:12.510 Is that the same idea that you're definitely yeah, it's it's that it's that ability to 50:13.150 --> 50:17.510 Humble yourself and quiet yourself enough that life works through you so you're kind of getting the 50:18.090 --> 50:24.250 You're tapping into the flow of the nature of things as opposed to the thinking mind that's trying to like force things 50:24.730 --> 50:27.650 There's another quote that says the world is not governed through interference 50:28.210 --> 50:33.730 So it's like the more we're fixated on interfering and doing and fighting and changing the less we're actually doing 50:34.250 --> 50:39.910 The more actually build continuing to build the construct that is there that we're trying to oppose or fight or bring down 50:39.910 --> 50:41.370 So it's very similar concepts 50:41.970 --> 50:45.470 Right, right beautiful. And how would you define a program? 50:46.010 --> 50:49.670 You did you did rattle off like you know some thoughts and feelings and that kind of thing 50:49.670 --> 50:54.050 But is there any way that you define that this is my whole subject? So I'm always looking at this 50:54.990 --> 51:01.070 Yeah, I would just define it as something that's not inherently you so there's the like imagine you've got like a 51:01.070 --> 51:02.290 I don't know like a device 51:03.010 --> 51:05.350 And the device is just a blank slate 51:05.350 --> 51:08.810 It has the ability to do many things it has this amount of like 51:08.810 --> 51:12.450 Ram and gigabytes of whatever that it can do potentially 51:13.130 --> 51:18.750 But until it's got a program put into it. It doesn't really know what to do with information or or how to output 51:18.750 --> 51:25.090 So a program is something that's installed into us and how it's installed is either through an event and experience 51:25.770 --> 51:29.650 A thought form if our boundaries and energetics are low that we can also be 51:30.890 --> 51:33.010 Open to being permeated 51:33.010 --> 51:37.410 With programs, but we're also come in with a pre determined set which is ancestral 51:37.410 --> 51:38.990 So that's a blueprint as well 51:38.990 --> 51:42.190 So it's not always bad programs aren't a bad thing 51:42.700 --> 51:48.310 Some programs are obviously very favorable and good. They're part of what makes us and what drives us 51:48.310 --> 51:52.590 However, they also always have a shadow component that can be the detriment to us 51:52.590 --> 51:56.870 Then the other ones are once we enter into the world then we are 51:57.400 --> 52:03.710 In this realm of just constant information around us and that that does program us through various means and that's why 52:04.450 --> 52:06.370 programming tools such as media 52:07.210 --> 52:08.250 music television 52:08.850 --> 52:09.250 storytelling 52:10.130 --> 52:15.170 And then even behaviors like how you inflect something to somebody in real life 52:15.170 --> 52:18.750 That's why military and police are trained to do that is to program into people 52:19.730 --> 52:22.270 subservience and in the way that speech patterns 52:22.850 --> 52:25.570 So everything is designed to be program 52:26.330 --> 52:29.210 A program and we are a programmable entity 52:29.710 --> 52:32.190 But when we start to get to know ourselves we start to be 52:32.850 --> 52:35.270 We're not as permeable to that from outside forces 52:35.890 --> 52:41.630 And we can clear out some of the stuff that's inside that's not really serving us and get down to who we really are at our sole essence 52:42.070 --> 52:42.950 which is 52:42.950 --> 52:45.030 then external to the programs 52:45.670 --> 52:50.730 And that's the journey for a lot of people that go on their quote-unquote spiritual path. He's really just to do that 52:51.910 --> 52:53.150 Beautiful. I like that 52:54.050 --> 52:55.830 Do you think this is always a 52:56.390 --> 52:59.070 Question for me. I act as if this is true 52:59.070 --> 53:04.810 So i'm curious what your thoughts are and I I really did borrow this from the alternative law movement about 53:04.810 --> 53:08.610 You know, it comes to contracts and the way that we tacitly agree to them 53:08.610 --> 53:14.090 So we're you know, we're not outright asked. Do you want to fry your brain on a smart meter? 53:14.570 --> 53:19.150 Every day if they asked it that way you might as different but just by saying, okay, yes 53:19.150 --> 53:20.410 I accept all of these 53:20.970 --> 53:26.930 Arrangements that you've made that you are in fact agreeing to that and when it comes to programming like you said 53:26.930 --> 53:32.390 It can come externally where authorities actually want to actively program us 53:32.390 --> 53:35.990 Now here there's there's a little fine point that I 53:36.420 --> 53:37.310 I suspect 53:37.820 --> 53:41.710 There is an internal tacit agreement to programming 53:42.520 --> 53:46.130 But that maybe at times of our life we're utterly 53:47.000 --> 53:54.430 Resourceless to do anything about it like infants who are at the mercy who could die in a day or two without 53:55.000 --> 53:55.990 proper care 53:56.630 --> 53:59.970 And you know, so we are at the mercy at times 53:59.970 --> 54:06.090 Of the programming around us like me being caught in this these little border things and them being so mad and 54:06.090 --> 54:06.930 and 54:07.710 --> 54:12.410 Overpowering me it was it was a kind of programming like because I you know accepted that 54:13.030 --> 54:18.410 Agreed to that. So would you say that people agree to their own programming at some level? 54:19.490 --> 54:21.150 Oh, yeah, definitely 54:21.750 --> 54:22.110 um 54:22.750 --> 54:27.110 Just I was coming up with different points as you were speaking but uh, overall, yeah, absolutely 54:27.110 --> 54:34.030 I I do agree with that ties in perfectly with the free will thing because again, it's like what what are you accessing at the time 54:34.030 --> 54:37.910 And why or why not? So it's a very similar topic 54:38.510 --> 54:42.050 So when you're talking about um, have we already agreed to that? Yeah, absolutely 54:42.050 --> 54:45.530 And why one of the reasons I believe that we here is to transcend that 54:46.110 --> 54:48.010 some people don't take that up as a 54:48.010 --> 54:50.770 As a um a path to take and that's fine 54:50.770 --> 54:55.370 That's they they have the ability to do that and other people do I think that we are 54:55.370 --> 55:01.090 By nature programmable and we do agree when you're talking about tested agreements though and contracts 55:01.740 --> 55:03.510 the contract is 55:04.090 --> 55:08.350 Voided the moment you actually know what it is and what's going on 55:08.910 --> 55:11.090 there's a quote that says that um 55:11.750 --> 55:14.790 Like with regards to the control of this realm 55:15.430 --> 55:20.710 It's only controlled to the degree that you give it your that your attention allows once your attention 55:20.710 --> 55:23.850 Once you start to harness that for yourself and it goes within 55:23.850 --> 55:28.150 Then the control structures just don't have the power that they did they rely on that attention 55:28.700 --> 55:34.070 And likewise, there are there are many tested agreements that that go along in society 55:34.070 --> 55:38.030 Here's between a contract and an agreement is the consideration 55:38.550 --> 55:41.810 So then people get confused. I like but if it's what's the consideration? 55:41.810 --> 55:46.670 I didn't pay anything but we pay with a lot of different things we pay with our internal currencies 55:46.670 --> 55:48.150 We pay with many different 55:48.970 --> 55:52.310 Parts of us that are worth far more than you know one u.s. Dollar 55:52.850 --> 55:56.230 So we are forming contracts energetically all the time 55:56.770 --> 56:01.610 So when it's tested it's because we have formed the new like you said they don't say hey 56:01.610 --> 56:04.230 Can I fire your brain with a wi-fi router or a smart meter? 56:04.530 --> 56:07.670 Because people would be like what what are you talking about some people would still go? 56:07.730 --> 56:09.530 Yeah, sure as long as I can get Netflix no problem 56:10.030 --> 56:16.830 Some people some people would do that other people would would find that a bit strange, but what's happening is because the 56:18.470 --> 56:22.550 You would think that the the very essence of an agreement is being voided 56:22.550 --> 56:26.210 So we don't have the agreement or the contract because was there a meeting of the minds 56:26.210 --> 56:29.790 Is there anything that says to you listen? This is what it's going to do 56:29.790 --> 56:33.470 This is what we intend for it to do should you agree? 56:33.650 --> 56:36.650 We'll install this in your house that doesn't happen does it? 56:36.650 --> 56:40.370 But it it does on different levels because what's happening is that 56:41.050 --> 56:41.410 Our 56:41.990 --> 56:48.270 Standing relative to the offer is really really low and that's how we end up in these these agreements and contracts 56:48.810 --> 56:54.590 But as we start to learn as we start to grow as we start to access free will as we start to undo the programs 56:55.130 --> 56:59.270 Now we actually are on a level playing field and that's when we nullify agreements and contracts 56:59.270 --> 57:00.890 and that's how we can 57:01.450 --> 57:06.770 Either a you have that stuff not enter into our field as in it doesn't come into the first place 57:06.770 --> 57:08.130 Or if it's there we can have it removed 57:08.780 --> 57:10.950 And b on a on a higher level 57:10.950 --> 57:16.510 It doesn't affect us in the same way because we don't have the agreements of what's entering into our field 57:17.100 --> 57:17.670 so what 57:18.330 --> 57:22.530 Can the simplest example I can give because I gave it so many times is 57:23.210 --> 57:25.930 While we were traveling because we went through so many different airports 57:26.870 --> 57:30.510 Um opting out of different scanners and whatever is always an option 57:31.670 --> 57:34.470 One time though we're I think it was um going from 57:35.170 --> 57:38.610 The states to Mexico some have said it she wanted to opt out of the 57:39.530 --> 57:40.250 Scanners thing 57:40.750 --> 57:46.250 And the the lady who was operating it got a bit stroppy like like with you not angry, but just kind of like stress 57:46.250 --> 57:49.010 She's just like oh, yeah. Yeah, I just um 57:49.430 --> 57:53.910 Yeah, you just have to wait over there. Well, like or for how long she's like, I don't know it'd be like half an hour 57:53.910 --> 57:57.570 You know, so it's gonna be in that position of I don't have to 57:57.570 --> 58:00.610 But I'm gonna be waiting for half an hour. We didn't have half an hour to wait 58:00.890 --> 58:01.670 and 58:02.310 --> 58:02.850 when 58:03.500 --> 58:07.230 I showed some of that because she's very sensitive she would always get headaches going through machines 58:07.230 --> 58:11.270 I'm like the the machine's not more powerful than you. It's literally like 58:12.250 --> 58:14.710 The the amount of power in that 58:15.220 --> 58:18.450 Is less than the amount of electrical potential in your fingernail 58:18.960 --> 58:20.330 So it's you can't harm you 58:20.330 --> 58:26.190 So if you if you stand in that standing relative to the offer and you put out 58:26.870 --> 58:31.890 You emanate who you really are it won't affect you and since then she's she's gone through plenty and never had a headache 58:31.890 --> 58:33.930 She's very sensitive and very um 58:34.510 --> 58:35.270 tapped in and stuff 58:35.270 --> 58:38.490 So that's why she would get headaches and now she just does not that doesn't happen 58:38.490 --> 58:40.970 Not to say that it's good to always do that 58:40.970 --> 58:46.870 But what I'm saying is that relative to the offer when you're standing increases because of digging deeper into who you are 58:46.870 --> 58:52.510 And you access that that yes is there inherently as a potential, but it's not activated 58:52.510 --> 58:59.750 So you you access and act activate that by being willing to do that by letting go of fear digging deeper into who you really are 59:00.270 --> 59:05.890 And then expressing that into the world that wi-fi router or that smart meter is not going to fry the brain 59:05.890 --> 59:08.730 Of a individual who is in their power and they're standing 59:09.310 --> 59:15.210 Whereas it will to somebody else. Why because they're the agreements that they're forming is that that is who they are 59:15.870 --> 59:19.790 relative to that because of ignorance because of so many other 59:20.350 --> 59:26.090 Factors, but that's why we don't all live in the same. Well, I know if cofe is still on but one of the things that I learned for him was 59:26.790 --> 59:28.110 um, we all experience 59:29.430 --> 59:29.790 Well 59:31.050 --> 59:34.990 Forget the way he put it, but he said we all experience our own individual son 59:36.610 --> 59:41.690 So that the son that I look at isn't the same son that you would look at for example or experience 59:42.110 --> 59:47.050 We experience it differently and that was that was very relative to a lot of the things that I was experiencing 59:47.050 --> 59:50.530 But I hadn't heard it put that way and that that helped open my mind up 59:51.110 --> 59:53.430 to whole other ways of saying things as well 59:55.030 --> 59:55.470 so 59:56.310 --> 59:59.050 Yeah, I mean agreements and contracts are a big big topic 59:59.050 --> 01:00:02.150 But that hopefully that kind of summarizes how and why 01:00:02.750 --> 01:00:04.350 We can come into these things 01:00:04.350 --> 01:00:09.750 Thinking that we're not really consenting and contracting but we are but also how to overcome them 01:00:10.770 --> 01:00:16.790 Right. Yeah, there's different levels of um, I've worked a lot with the victim archetype in my courses 01:00:17.050 --> 01:00:19.690 And stuff like that and there's different levels of that 01:00:19.690 --> 01:00:25.730 You know, people will even turn that on you reverse it and like, oh, don't be a victim 01:00:26.250 --> 01:00:28.790 Meanwhile, you're being victimized 01:00:28.790 --> 01:00:35.070 You're being harmed. You're you know, so if we keep using that example, hello to sum up by the way 01:00:35.070 --> 01:00:37.250 Really nice to have met her 01:00:37.930 --> 01:00:41.310 that if we use that example of going into that machine and 01:00:41.310 --> 01:00:45.450 Sensitive or not sensitive. There is some harm that comes like it 01:00:45.450 --> 01:00:49.930 That, you know, you if you put tissue under that machine, you will see how it's affected 01:00:49.930 --> 01:00:52.990 There's there's reasons that people do opt out 01:00:53.450 --> 01:00:58.750 But just with the simple shift of the idea that she has more power 01:00:58.750 --> 01:01:02.590 Then she was able to mitigate the harm 01:01:03.110 --> 01:01:03.690 of that 01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:07.490 And so what's my question about that? 01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:08.410 um 01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:12.530 Maybe there isn't one. I don't know if you want to say the thing is yeah 01:01:12.530 --> 01:01:15.170 Well, the thing is is that the the extension of that 01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.970 We'll go look let's go backwards and then we'll do the extension the going backwards is that 01:01:19.970 --> 01:01:26.310 Yes, there is biological harm caused the tissues, but what like how is the tissue outside of the body? 01:01:26.430 --> 01:01:31.430 Is it a sample of tissue because that's not how tissue functions the tissue functions as part of the being and the whole 01:01:31.430 --> 01:01:32.850 And the expression of the soul 01:01:32.850 --> 01:01:37.590 So if that's all muted in that and then you test it on a live bit of 01:01:38.130 --> 01:01:39.830 tissue on in the body 01:01:40.390 --> 01:01:43.390 And it's still showing it. It's because the body is not functioning well 01:01:43.850 --> 01:01:47.850 It's because of something else that's in there that is reciprocating with that frequency 01:01:47.850 --> 01:01:49.850 It's not always just going to cause that harm 01:01:49.850 --> 01:01:53.050 However, when you're talking about innocence, like if you put it on a baby 01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:59.630 Sure, it can but part of the reason for that is because the parent is in fear of the parent is not casting that protection around the child 01:01:59.630 --> 01:02:02.470 giving it enough safety security and love and 01:02:02.470 --> 01:02:03.870 and power 01:02:03.870 --> 01:02:06.010 So the baby's emanating that as well 01:02:06.010 --> 01:02:09.750 There's a lot of discussion on that but there's too much to go into in detail 01:02:09.750 --> 01:02:11.390 But I just as a premise 01:02:11.870 --> 01:02:14.490 It would depend on how that tissue is being tested 01:02:14.490 --> 01:02:18.870 But if we go forward into it, it's not just not being harmed by the machine 01:02:19.470 --> 01:02:21.890 I haven't done it yet, but I do firmly believe that 01:02:22.570 --> 01:02:25.930 The more the greater you do that you can actually shut the machine down 01:02:26.510 --> 01:02:31.550 I've had the experience of shutting down devices like computers and phones and 01:02:32.750 --> 01:02:33.650 Going into 01:02:33.650 --> 01:02:34.450 uh 01:02:35.030 --> 01:02:40.270 Places that have been filmed and then the audio all crackles out while I'm there and then when I leave it comes good again 01:02:40.710 --> 01:02:42.770 Doesn't mean that I'm doing it on purpose or anything 01:02:42.770 --> 01:02:49.990 But I just know that our electromagnetic field is vastly strong with an electromagnetic field of a 2.5 gigahertz 01:02:49.990 --> 01:02:54.130 Wi-Fi router or a 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi router or audio processors 01:02:54.610 --> 01:03:00.510 And likewise the machines they're not that strong. So is it a potentiality? Absolutely. Do we all have it? 01:03:00.510 --> 01:03:03.450 I don't know. I think half the population muggles and probably don't 01:03:03.450 --> 01:03:09.290 But for the people who are activating in that sole journey, then I do believe we have that but again, we have to 01:03:09.790 --> 01:03:10.230 access 01:03:11.810 --> 01:03:18.890 Likewise just on that topic. I don't have like this thing. I'm more powerful than everything and I'll just look like I don't have that 01:03:18.890 --> 01:03:20.570 Because once you start to have that 01:03:21.390 --> 01:03:24.390 That's when harm will come because there's this big pride before 01:03:25.150 --> 01:03:30.990 And it's um, it's not operating from that that essence of who you are, which is really subtle and really very humble 01:03:31.450 --> 01:03:35.970 Once you start getting into you cannot do this to me and I'm better than you and I'm more powerful than that thing 01:03:35.970 --> 01:03:37.410 And I'll just stand like that's when 01:03:38.750 --> 01:03:43.030 That's when you a can't access that sort of stuff and you will 01:03:43.030 --> 01:03:48.210 Draw harm to you because of the challenge the interference that you're putting into the field 01:03:49.030 --> 01:03:51.830 Again, that quote the world is not governed through interference 01:03:52.750 --> 01:03:57.090 So, uh, yeah, it's like one of those things where if you're able to access the power 01:03:57.090 --> 01:04:00.270 You have to have the humility that goes with it and knowing how to wield it 01:04:01.930 --> 01:04:04.750 How and how not and the fact that it's not just like 01:04:06.410 --> 01:04:11.510 Like this given I'm hearing an echo now actually can you hear it? Uh, let me mute and see if 01:04:12.470 --> 01:04:16.970 Oh, it was more just like a delay. Oh, it's gone now 01:04:18.010 --> 01:04:19.710 Okay figured itself out. That's good 01:04:20.890 --> 01:04:21.870 Okay, very good 01:04:22.450 --> 01:04:23.010 and 01:04:24.370 --> 01:04:28.070 One of the things that I've noticed this again might not be a question 01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:33.690 But one of the like the nature of programming is that it's I always get people to discriminate 01:04:33.690 --> 01:04:38.570 Is it sentient full of life and have volition and free will? 01:04:39.070 --> 01:04:40.630 Or is it an automation? 01:04:42.710 --> 01:04:47.750 As a program do you mean the the programming itself 01:04:48.930 --> 01:04:55.210 The you know, I sometimes I'll grasp for words and say the architecture of the programming that makes up 01:04:55.210 --> 01:04:57.690 the collective thoughts 01:04:58.430 --> 01:05:01.330 You know feelings experience beliefs 01:05:01.950 --> 01:05:06.450 That causes you to say, oh, I'm going to be harmed by this and therefore 01:05:07.190 --> 01:05:08.070 becoming harmed 01:05:08.930 --> 01:05:09.230 so 01:05:09.750 --> 01:05:10.730 when it comes to 01:05:11.250 --> 01:05:16.070 Like the actual nature of that energetic architecture that we carry around 01:05:16.070 --> 01:05:18.490 And can let go of 01:05:19.610 --> 01:05:23.290 Do you have a sense that it's full of life or is it 01:05:24.270 --> 01:05:24.870 inert 01:05:26.270 --> 01:05:29.870 I'm not sure. I don't know about that because um 01:05:29.870 --> 01:05:33.670 I think it comes from different places and also why for example 01:05:34.230 --> 01:05:38.470 Going through airports the vast majority of people don't believe that there's anything 01:05:39.390 --> 01:05:41.950 That will cause them harm exactly 01:05:41.950 --> 01:05:47.290 From the boosters that they just got to the scanners to being on the aeroplane 01:05:47.290 --> 01:05:53.270 Which this is the other thing like I think honestly the aeroplane itself that you're on for 10 hours 01:05:53.270 --> 01:05:58.710 Has far more radiation in it than the scanners that you would go through prior to boarding but 01:05:59.950 --> 01:06:03.310 But uh, yeah, but most people on the plane just 01:06:03.950 --> 01:06:08.390 I don't know. They don't really care. They don't care nor do they really seem 01:06:09.230 --> 01:06:14.630 Bothered by it or but that's because they're also not so again. I don't know this to be true 01:06:14.630 --> 01:06:18.610 I just have a basic model. Let's just say roughly half the population 01:06:18.610 --> 01:06:22.930 Aren't really here for sole individuation and don't really have that potential for 01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:26.250 Anything more than just a very narrow set of parameters 01:06:26.950 --> 01:06:31.190 And then of the half that do like a lot of them are generally the more sensitive types 01:06:31.190 --> 01:06:34.070 And it's the sensitive types that are 01:06:34.770 --> 01:06:36.630 Susceptible to you know things like 01:06:36.630 --> 01:06:38.090 Scanners and whatever 01:06:39.130 --> 01:06:44.690 But that's just because the in the sensitivity. It's not it's not a um, it's not a negative thing 01:06:44.690 --> 01:06:50.010 It's not like a burden or it's like oh why me like I can't even function in the world because I'm too sensitive 01:06:50.010 --> 01:06:55.650 It's just that that individual has an access the inherent power that's there and again. It has to be earned 01:06:55.650 --> 01:06:57.710 It's like it's not inherent that they have 01:06:58.330 --> 01:07:04.550 The the magic or these abilities or like the ability to harness that sensitivity into something innately very powerful 01:07:05.150 --> 01:07:06.410 But it is there as a potential 01:07:06.410 --> 01:07:11.030 But because of the nature of the realm the way it seems to be programmed is that they have to earn it 01:07:11.030 --> 01:07:13.210 If it was just given to them, it wouldn't really mean anything 01:07:13.210 --> 01:07:19.790 It wouldn't it wouldn't be of value like isn't free will and and the ability to like like these things are so valuable 01:07:19.790 --> 01:07:22.170 They're like up there in like the top tier of 01:07:22.170 --> 01:07:29.150 Uh, you know parts of being alive. So why would it why would you not have if it's so valuable? 01:07:29.270 --> 01:07:32.490 Why would you not have to earn something valuable? It just doesn't make sense that it's just like 01:07:33.670 --> 01:07:37.710 Uh, just freely given because then why people don't seem to value that 01:07:37.710 --> 01:07:43.470 I guess you could flip that and go it is freely given and it's such a valuable thing that only people who are 01:07:43.470 --> 01:07:49.610 Tuned to knowing what value is will will use it and the people it's like, you know, I could give you a um 01:07:50.250 --> 01:07:54.610 I could give you one of my guitars. It's like so good and but if you're not a guitarist, you'd be like 01:07:54.610 --> 01:07:59.210 I don't know. I'll just hawk it at the pawn shop like a hundred bucks. It's like, do you know where that wood came from? 01:07:59.410 --> 01:08:01.490 Do you know who made that? Do you know how the fret work? 01:08:01.670 --> 01:08:04.470 You know, like you just don't know like if you don't know you don't value it. So 01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:09.350 But the guitar is still a guitar. So I don't know. There's a lot of different ways you can look at it, but 01:08:09.350 --> 01:08:15.610 Uh, yes, but I guess it's a really important topic because so many people are genuinely genuinely suffering 01:08:15.610 --> 01:08:20.890 They feel pain. They feel disillusionment. They feel sensitivity to certain things. So 01:08:21.370 --> 01:08:26.830 When we're talking about these topics, I do want people to know that I'm not not acknowledging the fact that people 01:08:26.830 --> 01:08:31.190 Do experience harm and pain and so on and so forth with what they experience in the world 01:08:31.190 --> 01:08:35.790 But what I am saying is that that's just an offer because that's not who you really are 01:08:36.330 --> 01:08:42.470 So that's just in this middle ground between having woken up at some point or through whatever means and 01:08:42.470 --> 01:08:45.330 The the the being that you know, you can be in the world 01:08:45.330 --> 01:08:50.190 It's kind of in the middle ground and sometimes that hurts and sometimes that feels like you're a victim and so on and so forth 01:08:50.190 --> 01:08:54.730 But as long as you're willing to grow through that you don't have to stay in that state 01:08:54.730 --> 01:08:58.650 And the same things that affect you now that you think is the enemy and it's all unfair 01:08:58.650 --> 01:09:03.030 And it's all unjust won't be that once you've transcended that if you're willing to continue 01:09:03.710 --> 01:09:06.390 Along that path, but it doesn't it doesn't um 01:09:06.390 --> 01:09:10.970 It's not to diminish what somebody is experiencing now because it's very real and it's very true 01:09:11.670 --> 01:09:15.870 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well said that's because that's at the end of the day 01:09:15.870 --> 01:09:23.810 Say you are actually being victimized and I've a lot of so much to say on sensitive types because I happen to be the canary in the coal mine myself 01:09:24.530 --> 01:09:29.890 You know, many people could take a few flights and stay in a poisoned hotel and still 01:09:30.450 --> 01:09:32.270 Be upright on the other side 01:09:32.270 --> 01:09:36.510 But that's that's not me. I'm in a different place. So I have a lot of 01:09:36.890 --> 01:09:38.370 Empathy I'm not saying you don't have empathy 01:09:38.370 --> 01:09:44.150 You just expressed that that that people do suffer at different levels and that it's uh, it's I mean in my case 01:09:44.150 --> 01:09:49.690 I really understand it now that it's accumulated toxicity over a lifetime that has come to a head 01:09:49.690 --> 01:09:53.750 And I'm at a very narrow margin of if I get you know 01:09:53.750 --> 01:09:58.370 Bomb me with fragrance in a hotel room for the night and I get sick like that's 01:09:58.930 --> 01:10:05.170 And other people will be just have zero effect with that. I I'm on a 01:10:05.170 --> 01:10:11.330 soapbox all the time talking about fragrance and and it's very very hard to convey to people 01:10:11.850 --> 01:10:14.570 That they're being harmed because they don't feel it 01:10:14.570 --> 01:10:21.550 And it's ubiquitous at at every turn, you know, the laundry and the body products and the shampoo and the 01:10:21.550 --> 01:10:23.890 You name it and air fresheners 01:10:23.890 --> 01:10:28.430 And uh, it but uh, so yeah, people don't really get it even when they're like, okay 01:10:28.430 --> 01:10:32.110 I won't use fragrance and they still do because it's 01:10:32.110 --> 01:10:37.270 It's just they they're not noticing it. So anyway, total side topic there 01:10:37.270 --> 01:10:43.170 No, it's a good side topic. It's interesting one though because um, a lot of those people are just kind of cogs in the wheel 01:10:43.170 --> 01:10:48.150 They will not be affected by it and it's part of the sensitive soul's journey is that they 01:10:48.710 --> 01:10:51.870 Not having to be validated by other people because 01:10:52.510 --> 01:10:55.050 so many people experienced this in the last five years too like 01:10:55.050 --> 01:10:59.810 Knowing what's really going on or knowing that you shouldn't be wearing a mask 01:10:59.810 --> 01:11:03.050 Not not only don't have to but like for your personal health 01:11:03.050 --> 01:11:04.630 You shouldn't be wearing a mask for example 01:11:04.630 --> 01:11:07.890 I mean surrounded by this just wrong like 01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:14.450 100 deeper people looking at you like what are you doing? You're an idiot. You're doing it wrong. You're this like that's a 01:11:14.450 --> 01:11:18.350 That's a hard thing for a sensitive soul in particular to 01:11:18.930 --> 01:11:23.670 To um to deal with until that sensitive soul realizes their actual power 01:11:23.670 --> 01:11:27.310 Then they can stand in front of a thousand deep and just emanate like that 01:11:27.310 --> 01:11:28.630 It doesn't have to affect them 01:11:28.630 --> 01:11:32.730 So part of the the the journey is not having to be validated by other people 01:11:32.730 --> 01:11:38.330 The fact that other people don't get sick the comparison and validation thing is a big trap have to move beyond that 01:11:38.330 --> 01:11:43.490 The other thing is that it's not necessarily not affecting them. It's just that their tolerances are uh, 01:11:43.570 --> 01:11:46.530 inherently a little bit higher by their constitution 01:11:47.050 --> 01:11:53.190 And what happens is nobody experiences symptoms until they're in at least stage two or stage three of a of a 01:11:53.710 --> 01:11:54.630 dis-ease cycle 01:11:55.190 --> 01:12:00.050 So um people might have a baseline and they're accumulating heaps of this crap in their system 01:12:00.050 --> 01:12:03.230 It's definitely affecting the function of their liver the kidneys 01:12:03.770 --> 01:12:07.150 The spleen the pancreas the lungs everything 01:12:07.650 --> 01:12:13.790 But what's happening is yeah, but they're not actually realizing that it's happening because they don't have headaches 01:12:13.790 --> 01:12:17.450 They don't have lethargy that don't have but it's because it's just below this baseline 01:12:17.450 --> 01:12:20.830 Once they move into symptoms. They're like, uh, kind of got a headache today 01:12:20.830 --> 01:12:26.830 Or I don't feel like I've got as much energy or I don't know why but I feel like I don't like smelling perfumes anymore 01:12:26.830 --> 01:12:30.910 It's because they're past the threshold now and that means they're already got all of this 01:12:30.910 --> 01:12:32.290 Built up in the system 01:12:32.290 --> 01:12:37.550 But the thing is is that when somebody has a system that's functioning like a strong constitution 01:12:37.550 --> 01:12:39.570 It's cycling that through that stuff through 01:12:40.050 --> 01:12:43.890 So well that it never builds up to symptoms and that's why I like oh bet 01:12:43.890 --> 01:12:48.990 Oh, seriously, we've got to not put perfume on to go out. Oh my god. It's beth again, you know, like that's 01:12:49.610 --> 01:12:53.050 Not you're probably not hanging out with people like that anymore, but you probably started 01:12:53.830 --> 01:12:57.490 Because as we grow out of that sort of stuff, we have to separate from that 01:12:59.150 --> 01:12:59.510 Yeah 01:13:00.830 --> 01:13:05.390 Yeah, yeah, you should see one of the last dinners we went to I sat beside someone they went like oh 01:13:05.390 --> 01:13:06.470 Oh, no, I wore perfume 01:13:06.470 --> 01:13:09.730 Do you want to sit over there and then I went and just sit over there and then like oh my god 01:13:09.730 --> 01:13:13.410 I wore perfume like because they all know and uh, you know, it's fine 01:13:13.410 --> 01:13:17.750 I can I can go into just like, you know a happy place and tolerate 01:13:18.370 --> 01:13:20.450 But I definitely feel it 01:13:22.170 --> 01:13:24.770 Yeah, yeah, well, it's it's um 01:13:25.770 --> 01:13:27.090 what it's 01:13:27.090 --> 01:13:30.590 part of the journey is learning to um to not allow a 01:13:31.070 --> 01:13:36.510 Thought form a group dynamic or an egregor to influence the being of the individual who is a sensitive soul 01:13:37.410 --> 01:13:41.570 But also those sensitivities are there's something in the being 01:13:42.250 --> 01:13:44.450 It's energy. It's nothing physical. It's energetic 01:13:45.040 --> 01:13:50.250 That binds to that in some way shape or form because naturally it shouldn't actually cause that effect 01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:52.650 Is it good for you know, but it shouldn't cause like a 01:13:52.650 --> 01:13:54.790 Down regulation of the being itself 01:13:54.790 --> 01:13:59.590 Which means it's binding to something else energetic, which is either something that's attached to you 01:13:59.590 --> 01:14:05.610 Something you haven't dealt with from your past or your lineage or the programs or whatever it's there 01:14:06.210 --> 01:14:11.870 And so that's why it has the same that's why people, you know go 20 30 years with chronic illness 01:14:11.870 --> 01:14:13.630 They don't know why it's like to go on like 01:14:14.070 --> 01:14:14.590 You know 01:14:15.110 --> 01:14:15.870 People go 01:14:15.870 --> 01:14:20.450 Oh, yeah, you just take this this powder thing that I took I cleaned it all up in like, you know 01:14:20.450 --> 01:14:23.830 In a day and you're like what the like that's not going to do anything 01:14:23.830 --> 01:14:24.650 That's you know 01:14:24.650 --> 01:14:28.890 And people are just and then you're angry because you're like all these people and they're all making all this money 01:14:28.890 --> 01:14:31.150 Selling all this shit that doesn't do it 01:14:31.150 --> 01:14:36.050 It's like why does it have an effect on someone who's just like in that category and in this category? 01:14:36.250 --> 01:14:39.710 I've done this I've changed that I've taken this I've done that protocol 100 times 01:14:39.710 --> 01:14:44.090 I've refined it down to a T or change my diet my sleep. I changed house and there's no mold 01:14:44.090 --> 01:14:49.690 There's no this I'm still like this. What the hell and it's like they're not looking at that that energetic component because 01:14:51.490 --> 01:14:55.050 The way the system of the body works like that 01:14:55.050 --> 01:14:59.930 Is that the more sensitive you are the more you are tapped into that that greater thing 01:14:59.930 --> 01:15:04.810 Where your organs are portals to these other luminaries where for others someone else 01:15:04.810 --> 01:15:08.090 It's like they they are but they're not but for the sensitives though 01:15:08.090 --> 01:15:14.410 Like what's the proofs in the pudding like how you're functioning the world just means that you haven't managed to everything's too fragmented 01:15:14.410 --> 01:15:18.250 It's all around the being as opposed to being in in the body in the being 01:15:19.370 --> 01:15:23.170 And that's a big thing for somebody to to undergo. That's like a whole journey 01:15:24.090 --> 01:15:27.090 for for those particular type of like I'm 01:15:27.670 --> 01:15:31.710 Not to the same degree of summer or whatever, but I'm like I would get headaches of everything 01:15:31.710 --> 01:15:35.690 I would be sensitive to wi-fi route. I could tell if wi-fi or bluetooth was on 01:15:37.490 --> 01:15:42.230 Without even knowing it was on and then I'd know if it was switched off because of how I would feel as a result 01:15:42.230 --> 01:15:46.930 Like I've been there. I know that I've just I've just gone through enough steps to have become 01:15:47.450 --> 01:15:49.250 still sensitive enough to have 01:15:50.050 --> 01:15:51.650 You know to be able to receive 01:15:52.190 --> 01:15:54.530 information and knowledge for things that I haven't studied 01:15:55.130 --> 01:16:00.890 But not sensitive enough to be harmed by those sorts of things that were causing me harm at one point 01:16:01.690 --> 01:16:02.630 interesting, yeah 01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:11.490 And men detox faster and easier than women also that's that's a kind of given and I think that's very evolutionary in a way or 01:16:11.490 --> 01:16:15.410 At least, you know pro survival of the species so that 01:16:15.410 --> 01:16:20.350 Because if you had a whole lot of sensitive men around and they couldn't take it, you know 01:16:20.350 --> 01:16:24.450 And if they got taken out by a dryer sheet or something then we'd go down really fast 01:16:25.270 --> 01:16:31.930 Definitely, but yeah, yeah, women's detox is a totally different thing. Do you know they by the way just quick one more aside they have 01:16:33.190 --> 01:16:38.430 I think it's basically an autopsy has taken the liver in particular and 01:16:38.930 --> 01:16:41.650 It it it can literally let off 01:16:42.310 --> 01:16:42.710 fragrance 01:16:43.270 --> 01:16:49.150 They they they can there's fragrance stored in the liver that can't be processed 01:16:49.930 --> 01:16:53.050 And so that's like it it's it's a real thing 01:16:53.050 --> 01:16:58.550 In case anyone oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's why it's in everything. That's why like when yeah, it's um 01:16:58.550 --> 01:17:01.410 I think that's an interesting topic too because there is 01:17:01.410 --> 01:17:03.350 a definite like 01:17:04.490 --> 01:17:06.390 depopulation agenda through just the most 01:17:07.250 --> 01:17:10.670 insidious little things that are in everything such as fragrances but 01:17:11.310 --> 01:17:14.790 But to think again once just to think that we're not like where 01:17:15.590 --> 01:17:21.470 We're built in the image of something that's like less than some fragrance made in a chinese factory is kind of like that 01:17:21.470 --> 01:17:26.590 Doesn't add up to me. So like is it like that's not to that's not to discount that that is factual 01:17:26.590 --> 01:17:30.650 But it's like what paradigm are we living in and what are we willing to grow beyond? 01:17:30.650 --> 01:17:35.410 What are we willing to access and what are we willing to do to access that to mean that that is not something 01:17:35.410 --> 01:17:38.750 That is just forever in the liver for example because the liver 01:17:38.750 --> 01:17:44.170 Like energetically holds on to so much. So what's being held on because we we definitely get a learned helplessness 01:17:44.730 --> 01:17:46.330 so somebody who's just 01:17:47.130 --> 01:17:47.550 ignorant 01:17:48.270 --> 01:17:53.830 Ignorance is not bliss ignorance is really painful. So they can be around fragrances all the time. They might not affect them 01:17:54.330 --> 01:17:59.930 But that's because their potentiality in the world. They don't know like they're not tapped into something higher to realize what's being 01:18:00.550 --> 01:18:05.710 Taken away from so they just go I can wake up. I can do a poo. I can go to work 01:18:05.710 --> 01:18:10.410 I can eat dinner. I can watch netflix. I can go to bed. I can wake up and do that again 01:18:11.070 --> 01:18:13.910 So to them there's nothing wrong, but this because they're not tapped into 01:18:13.910 --> 01:18:18.390 They don't have the potential for something bigger and more and tapped into something else 01:18:18.390 --> 01:18:20.290 They won't feel when the moon's at a certain phase 01:18:20.290 --> 01:18:24.530 They won't feel when the luminaries are in a certain space and that's their life 01:18:24.530 --> 01:18:26.790 So we're not meant to compare against those 01:18:27.390 --> 01:18:30.530 So just because they're functioning okay in life 01:18:30.530 --> 01:18:34.570 You know that won't build up in their liver and that liver will off gas once they're gone 01:18:34.570 --> 01:18:40.810 That doesn't mean that that's the case. So what they don't have the potential for though is their whole other side 01:18:41.510 --> 01:18:44.530 That's where people who are sensitive have more of that potential 01:18:44.530 --> 01:18:47.410 but only because they have the ability to 01:18:48.510 --> 01:18:51.950 You know the expression that life doesn't give you anything, you're not capable of handling 01:18:53.030 --> 01:18:58.350 So like even if it's like, how am I going to do this or I can't believe this is happening. It's too hard 01:18:58.350 --> 01:19:00.590 I don't know if I can like that's every 01:19:01.850 --> 01:19:05.330 Religious and spiritual text ever was always said don't fear always have faith 01:19:05.750 --> 01:19:10.510 It's that test to see if you can overcome that and when you do you access something more and greater 01:19:11.930 --> 01:19:16.590 So when we're talking about the liver for example, there's so many energetics that go into the liver 01:19:16.590 --> 01:19:19.150 and it's a storehouse of anger a storehouse of 01:19:19.770 --> 01:19:24.930 It's how we process things and turn things over. So that's not just food. That's thoughts 01:19:25.530 --> 01:19:26.410 It's feelings 01:19:26.910 --> 01:19:31.010 So many things so if we have control over that if we're not doing that 01:19:31.010 --> 01:19:36.790 Yes, we will store and accumulate things that are forever whatever because they won't go because we're not letting it go 01:19:36.790 --> 01:19:38.050 but if we actually 01:19:38.550 --> 01:19:41.850 Are willing enough to go and which is very 01:19:42.750 --> 01:19:45.990 It's a lot more work than doing a lot of push-ups or doing a lot of like 01:19:45.990 --> 01:19:51.530 Fasting whatever in the external world if we're willing to do that the liver will not hold on to the same sort of stuff 01:19:51.530 --> 01:19:52.330 it can be 01:19:52.930 --> 01:19:55.530 Let go of it can be alchemized and something else 01:19:55.530 --> 01:19:58.410 Like there's so many different things it can so it's just again 01:19:58.410 --> 01:20:01.170 It's do we want to choose to do that because we always have the choice 01:20:01.170 --> 01:20:05.290 That's the whole essence of offers and agreements is it always comes down to a choice and 01:20:05.850 --> 01:20:08.190 What are we going to choose? That's a big question 01:20:10.090 --> 01:20:10.490 Exactly 01:20:11.090 --> 01:20:11.490 Um 01:20:12.550 --> 01:20:16.430 Well, let's see. I'd like to just go to the chat a little bit say hello to michelle 01:20:16.430 --> 01:20:23.730 Nice to have you here. Emil said the more sensitive one is makes them more easily physically harmed. He's asking 01:20:24.550 --> 01:20:28.050 Can do yeah for sure. I mean that's what I've we that's what I've noticed anyway 01:20:28.470 --> 01:20:32.310 Yeah, like I said, I shouldn't broadcast it, but they could take me out with a dryer sheet 01:20:33.430 --> 01:20:35.990 Right, you don't need any more technology than that 01:20:35.990 --> 01:20:40.250 Safe 1995 multiple chemical sensitivity movie interesting 01:20:41.130 --> 01:20:43.650 Interesting usually when it goes public in a 01:20:44.150 --> 01:20:48.710 In a movie, there's some kind of agenda going on. I might have to or yeah disclosures 01:20:49.390 --> 01:20:53.930 Right, exactly. That's what I mean. Yeah, or that's what yeah, you got it 01:20:54.430 --> 01:20:58.170 Never assume high-priced hotels are cleaner. I know I know it's it's crazy 01:20:58.170 --> 01:21:00.770 I the last hotel we stayed at I I made 01:21:00.770 --> 01:21:05.150 You know I called and they said is it possible to get a non-send it room. They said, uh, yes 01:21:05.150 --> 01:21:09.790 Yes, we'll give that a try. So then the room smelled like poop and it was like, yeah, there's that's right 01:21:09.790 --> 01:21:13.350 There's no fragrance near that. You did good on that but somehow 01:21:13.930 --> 01:21:14.790 Anyway, who cares? 01:21:16.170 --> 01:21:21.090 That's that's interesting though because let's just look at that quickly. We did a lot of traveling and we had a lot of 01:21:21.970 --> 01:21:26.490 experience with places where like, uh, you know like imagine if there was and it's always like 01:21:26.490 --> 01:21:28.630 I don't want to do it imagine someone else did it 01:21:28.630 --> 01:21:30.970 Imagine if there was um, like an 01:21:31.770 --> 01:21:36.690 Like a subset of airbnb or whatever that is just for people that look for 01:21:37.430 --> 01:21:39.890 You know non teflon kitchen where? 01:21:40.530 --> 01:21:47.350 linen that's fresh and not not, you know washed in fragrances and whatever like such simple things to bring to elevate the 01:21:47.350 --> 01:21:52.050 Quality of a of a place that could be really really simple that people would really really value 01:21:52.050 --> 01:21:58.030 That's a great business model for somebody who has the aptitude and the willingness to actually create that as an app 01:21:58.030 --> 01:22:03.010 As like an add-on or like a star or a tick or something and it's like if you get these ones 01:22:03.010 --> 01:22:08.270 They have that like there's money to be made for that. That's what drives people like is this going to serve me 01:22:08.270 --> 01:22:12.030 It would it absolutely would so it's it's like it's right there for the taking 01:22:12.590 --> 01:22:16.170 So it's like we can complain all we like about expensive hotels or whatever having 01:22:16.890 --> 01:22:20.190 You know more chemicals than others, but it's kind of like it's 01:22:20.770 --> 01:22:25.190 The the more expensive stuff and what I've seen for people who really like they'll do whatever 01:22:25.750 --> 01:22:30.510 They go to really clean stuff and they're they're going to places that don't have chemicals in them and all that too 01:22:30.510 --> 01:22:32.930 So it's there. We just have to access that again 01:22:33.590 --> 01:22:36.770 Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. I might have to do that my god 01:22:37.530 --> 01:22:41.770 And ron said I don't believe in cancer doesn't exist in my world and that's good 01:22:41.770 --> 01:22:46.910 So I have a recent story of I had a a thing on my finger and it would grow 01:22:47.530 --> 01:22:49.810 And I just cut it off and then it'd grow again 01:22:49.810 --> 01:22:53.070 And I used have you heard of black surf kensima? 01:22:53.730 --> 01:22:58.450 Amazon black surf so I put a drop on three days in a row 01:22:59.150 --> 01:23:03.190 And then my hand blew up in inflammation 01:23:03.910 --> 01:23:07.690 Like really severe lost use of my right hand entirely 01:23:08.370 --> 01:23:13.930 And it had yeah, it had a what's called a positive reaction meaning that the medicine found 01:23:14.710 --> 01:23:17.070 What you know is considered to be skin cancer? 01:23:17.490 --> 01:23:22.810 I had no belief in this whatsoever zero, right? I literally never 01:23:23.070 --> 01:23:27.050 Had the thought that this might be cancer. Maybe that's naive. I just didn't think of it 01:23:27.050 --> 01:23:30.110 that's just like it's just an annoying little thing and 01:23:30.110 --> 01:23:34.930 And then it yeah, it's been months and months and months and it's it you know, it the medicine did work 01:23:34.930 --> 01:23:38.130 It's left me a little deformed, but it's okay. It's just a finger 01:23:38.670 --> 01:23:41.610 Got got function of my hand back. That's the most important thing 01:23:41.610 --> 01:23:45.050 But so cancer didn't care that I didn't believe in it 01:23:45.510 --> 01:23:50.090 Is is my point, right? It's like the law doesn't care if you don't believe in it 01:23:50.830 --> 01:23:55.230 Yeah, ignorance is no excuse to the law. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, so sorry 01:23:56.170 --> 01:24:00.790 It's no it's not about believing in it or not. It's but it is created from something internally. So 01:24:01.430 --> 01:24:05.510 When we have these unresolved conflicts within the body, it's like an electrical 01:24:06.110 --> 01:24:06.550 anomaly 01:24:06.550 --> 01:24:10.730 Then that's what can produce tumors and growths and cancers and so on and so forth 01:24:10.730 --> 01:24:16.610 So it's like everyone goes in the sun. So how can the sun cause skin cancer? It can be a 01:24:17.090 --> 01:24:18.350 it can be a 01:24:19.670 --> 01:24:20.630 Like a 01:24:21.370 --> 01:24:22.670 What do you call it? 01:24:22.750 --> 01:24:27.570 The thing that that helps in a process or it can activate a process 01:24:27.570 --> 01:24:32.090 It can be part of the process, but it's not it's not the originating thing. It's what's already in the body 01:24:32.090 --> 01:24:35.070 It's either toxicity that's built up just below the sub dermal layers 01:24:35.690 --> 01:24:40.790 But then why is that there and what thoughts and feelings have have 01:24:41.730 --> 01:24:47.410 Caused the choices and the lifestyle factors and the places like gardener island of him frequency is location 01:24:47.410 --> 01:24:49.030 So like what's caused that? 01:24:49.470 --> 01:24:52.630 um, because I still haven't found a physical cause of 01:24:53.250 --> 01:24:57.710 Actually, my friend paul linda. It's his whole his whole work space around that too 01:24:58.250 --> 01:25:01.030 There's I haven't seen a physical cause. I've seen physical 01:25:02.330 --> 01:25:02.810 cause 01:25:02.810 --> 01:25:06.470 What do you call it causation and and what? 01:25:07.510 --> 01:25:10.930 My mind's kind of asking a blank. I hate all the scientific stuff 01:25:10.930 --> 01:25:14.130 I tried to unlearn it or correlation correlation and causation 01:25:14.130 --> 01:25:20.050 So the correlation is there, but that's not necessarily the causation right right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly 01:25:20.810 --> 01:25:23.910 Uh, let's see if there was a couple of questions before we go on 01:25:23.910 --> 01:25:28.650 Let me know if you had a time stop by the way if you if you were to ask you. Yeah, okay 01:25:28.650 --> 01:25:34.910 Sounds good. So there's a question here. Tom is this content regarding parents influence on children inside your course offerings? 01:25:36.390 --> 01:25:36.830 um 01:25:37.510 --> 01:25:41.750 Not directly. I mean it's there. It's it's everything works the same way 01:25:41.750 --> 01:25:48.050 So the way um, the way I teach the concepts of natural law is that it's like 01:25:48.710 --> 01:25:51.570 This realm is governed by natural. It's not like somebody's laws 01:25:51.570 --> 01:25:56.950 It's just the way the world the the realm works the way it's governed and then that makes its way into the way 01:25:57.570 --> 01:26:02.050 We express into the world. That's the way we meet challenges or meet people or meet situations 01:26:02.710 --> 01:26:05.450 All of all working through offers and and agreements 01:26:06.130 --> 01:26:09.290 And or contracts when there's consideration and the choices that are there 01:26:09.290 --> 01:26:14.150 So yeah, it does but not directly. I don't teach directly like the parents should do this with a child 01:26:14.150 --> 01:26:18.810 But the what's in there the lessons they all relate directly to that 01:26:19.530 --> 01:26:24.370 In future I'll be doing one more based on health and what have you and the principles of natural law and how they 01:26:24.370 --> 01:26:26.370 pertain to health and dynamics and relationships 01:26:27.670 --> 01:26:32.850 Nice very good. Um still I was talking about the sun and our personal relationship with it doesn't matter 01:26:33.390 --> 01:26:37.410 Where we are each one of us feels the sun shining us in a different given moment 01:26:37.410 --> 01:26:41.250 Yep, I get that. Hello quietly content there. Nice to see you 01:26:42.190 --> 01:26:46.330 Uh, let's see there was one question. I want to just go right back rather than take too much time here 01:26:46.910 --> 01:26:47.630 Paul asked 01:26:47.630 --> 01:26:53.410 Could you ask tom what he thinks of the australian first movement and is it a force for positive change there? 01:26:53.550 --> 01:26:56.990 I don't know if this is too big a tangent to go on but you can let me know 01:26:57.630 --> 01:26:59.910 Can you still see me on on the screen? 01:27:00.650 --> 01:27:05.390 Yes, I can still see you. I call this because I changed browser. I'm just having a look at what it even is 01:27:06.250 --> 01:27:11.990 It's extremist political movement founded in sydney advocated for isolationism and collaboratism 01:27:15.670 --> 01:27:20.370 I don't know if it's got to do with okay, so there seems to be 01:27:22.550 --> 01:27:30.770 It's a far right political movement that was active in 1941 and 1942 it seems to be there's a lot coming forward now 01:27:31.450 --> 01:27:38.690 Where people are getting quite nationalist and it's in response to the decline of the country, which is kind of like 01:27:39.870 --> 01:27:40.390 Very 01:27:41.090 --> 01:27:41.830 Makes a lot of sense 01:27:42.370 --> 01:27:47.210 And then the the the flooding of immigrants and things which is happening in many western countries 01:27:47.210 --> 01:27:51.130 uk is obviously very people are seeing a lot of that it's happening in australia a lot as well 01:27:52.530 --> 01:27:58.210 so there's a lot of kind of nationalist or white nationalist groups that are popping up 01:27:59.250 --> 01:28:02.590 And this is really interesting because it's like with anything 01:28:02.590 --> 01:28:08.810 I can look at any topic or any speaker or any whatever and I'm not really interested in the person so much 01:28:08.810 --> 01:28:10.450 Like it's not about the person is bad or whatever 01:28:10.450 --> 01:28:12.890 It's just like what's the message and how do we disseminate the message? 01:28:13.070 --> 01:28:19.350 and the reason that certain people gain a lot of traction and sometimes these groups gain a lot of traction or like 01:28:19.910 --> 01:28:21.110 public figures like 01:28:21.110 --> 01:28:22.570 Andrew Tate or 01:28:22.570 --> 01:28:29.370 Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan they they form a lot they get a lot of attention and momentum is because 01:28:30.030 --> 01:28:35.970 Inherently there's always something in their message that's inherently going to meet the individual where they're at 01:28:35.970 --> 01:28:40.810 That makes a lot of sense and rings more true than the current paradigm that they're experiencing 01:28:40.810 --> 01:28:44.670 Whether it's true or not. It's just more true than the current paradigm than they're experiencing 01:28:44.670 --> 01:28:46.810 Which is how these movements get a lot of momentum 01:28:47.530 --> 01:28:50.270 As far as whether I think it's a force of positive change 01:28:50.270 --> 01:28:54.490 I don't believe any external force is a force of positive change. I think it's all 01:28:55.010 --> 01:28:57.370 an illusion and even if it does 01:28:58.270 --> 01:29:01.550 Kind of show to have a quote-unquote positive change. It'll be 01:29:02.230 --> 01:29:03.610 it'll be like 01:29:04.650 --> 01:29:10.990 Just sporadic and and short lived at best and then what's it leaving way for as a result of its 01:29:10.990 --> 01:29:12.170 Of its die-off 01:29:12.710 --> 01:29:17.030 Which is never usually positive. It's usually like it seems like a step forward to take two steps back 01:29:17.590 --> 01:29:20.590 So in any of these movements, I don't know 01:29:20.590 --> 01:29:22.290 I don't have firsthand knowledge of this one 01:29:22.290 --> 01:29:25.650 But I'll just say in all of the ones that I've observed which is many 01:29:26.270 --> 01:29:32.450 None of them have been what I would say is worth getting behind as a belief system as a movement or anything like that 01:29:32.450 --> 01:29:36.670 Because all of it just takes you away from who you really are all of it will make you feel like 01:29:37.130 --> 01:29:42.870 You're progressing in something yet at the same time you're taking two steps back to feel like you're taking a step forward 01:29:42.870 --> 01:29:48.010 Why not just do the real thing? So it kind of means eschewing things like that. It's not that they're all bad 01:29:48.010 --> 01:29:50.690 It doesn't mean that something for a week of 01:29:51.350 --> 01:29:53.450 Concerted effort won't make some good 01:29:53.450 --> 01:29:59.610 But I would never get behind an outsource to that degree to push something of especially of a political nature 01:30:00.110 --> 01:30:05.350 Uh, I just haven't seen that work out. I but having said that I don't have firsthand knowledge of this one 01:30:05.350 --> 01:30:06.370 So I can't say for sure 01:30:07.010 --> 01:30:09.310 Well, thanks for that. I appreciate it 01:30:09.310 --> 01:30:12.890 Let's see this I would love to talk about a little bit 01:30:12.890 --> 01:30:16.050 When when you talked about people are programmable 01:30:16.590 --> 01:30:22.710 And so Emil is questioning. Is it in in flu, you know, in flu when how would did you say it? Yes 01:30:22.710 --> 01:30:27.370 Influensible or programmable and is there even a difference? 01:30:29.130 --> 01:30:29.610 Um 01:30:29.610 --> 01:30:33.890 Yeah, I think there's a difference. I think it influenced steers somebody towards the program 01:30:33.890 --> 01:30:36.770 I think programs a deeper level of of operating 01:30:37.370 --> 01:30:40.570 Influence is just like a little bit of a turning of of the attention 01:30:40.570 --> 01:30:46.030 There are a turning of like how I might feel about something before it becomes I think influence precedes program 01:30:46.670 --> 01:30:51.350 I I can see the argument for them being the same and in some circumstances or context. I would agree 01:30:51.350 --> 01:30:55.590 I just think that from a broader perspective. I think influence precedes 01:30:55.590 --> 01:30:56.390 programs 01:30:57.250 --> 01:30:57.730 nice 01:30:58.270 --> 01:31:01.010 I like the word impressionable and and 01:31:01.010 --> 01:31:01.450 Um 01:31:02.110 --> 01:31:07.690 Was it somebody carry in the zodiac and the salts of salvation just looking looking towards my bookcase 01:31:07.690 --> 01:31:09.590 George thank you 01:31:09.590 --> 01:31:17.330 Yeah, and he talked about the cerebellum and the cerebrum and the root of that word seri being seed 01:31:17.330 --> 01:31:19.410 meaning wax like substance 01:31:20.170 --> 01:31:23.990 That is highly impressionable the way that wax is 01:31:24.530 --> 01:31:28.350 And you know how sometimes I'll play with this where you say, you know 01:31:28.350 --> 01:31:32.450 I have to send a code to your phone to get into your app is just very common these days and 01:31:32.450 --> 01:31:34.750 and then so I'll look at it once 01:31:35.510 --> 01:31:41.710 And I will repeat, you know, I'll repeat it the numbers to myself and then I'll look away 01:31:42.370 --> 01:31:49.070 And then I'll listen for what I just repeated and it's literally in there. It made an impression 01:31:50.210 --> 01:31:53.550 Between looking at it and then saying the numbers to myself 01:31:53.550 --> 01:32:01.010 There is an imprint now ask me 20 minutes later if I could repeat that number. Nope, but it's it's right there 01:32:01.010 --> 01:32:03.810 It's made an impression. So that's a kind of fun 01:32:05.210 --> 01:32:09.530 Example just of that nature that we are so impressionable 01:32:10.170 --> 01:32:12.370 Is there anything more you want to say about that? 01:32:12.690 --> 01:32:18.990 No, I totally I totally agree. We're definitely very impressionable, especially that's the nature of a baby. It's it's all impression 01:32:19.770 --> 01:32:20.290 and 01:32:20.850 --> 01:32:25.010 And it does impressions and imprints are very important because this is what 01:32:25.790 --> 01:32:28.790 In the world of programming mk ultra and 01:32:29.330 --> 01:32:31.810 And things of that nature it's all about imprints 01:32:32.390 --> 01:32:33.050 and programs 01:32:33.650 --> 01:32:39.690 And because it literally does that like you can even imprint an image of something in somebody's mind and they can express 01:32:40.090 --> 01:32:42.650 that that that image for example, so 01:32:43.230 --> 01:32:45.350 Yeah, it's a big it's a big thing but again 01:32:46.210 --> 01:32:52.390 Like I know people get fascinated with it and then they just stay there and they do a whole life's work just on on that 01:32:52.390 --> 01:32:52.950 and I'm like, but 01:32:53.510 --> 01:32:57.630 Why wouldn't you want to go further into how you can be the thing that actually? 01:32:58.550 --> 01:32:59.330 flips that 01:32:59.330 --> 01:33:05.550 Or alchemizes that and becomes like uses that or turns it into something else or becomes impermeable to that 01:33:05.550 --> 01:33:08.610 Because that's the nature of what like what we're talking about earlier 01:33:09.170 --> 01:33:12.750 It's super fascinating and I think that's also a trap because it becomes very 01:33:12.750 --> 01:33:13.350 Um 01:33:13.950 --> 01:33:18.170 It it really titillates the mind and that's usually always a bit of a trap 01:33:18.170 --> 01:33:22.650 So coming back into being I think really helps a lot like it's fine that that's the case 01:33:22.650 --> 01:33:24.590 But it doesn't have to be as well like it is an offer 01:33:24.590 --> 01:33:29.570 But that's also a sliding scale because it's an offer but when you're not very 01:33:30.730 --> 01:33:32.010 When you're not very 01:33:33.550 --> 01:33:36.630 Deep into yourself as it when you're standing 01:33:37.150 --> 01:33:40.450 It's like it might be an offer, but it's definitely going to imprint you 01:33:41.090 --> 01:33:43.350 So it's like there's a sliding scale to that 01:33:43.350 --> 01:33:49.610 So the deeper you get to know yourself the less that has the ability to imprint unless you actually consciously let that in so that's um 01:33:50.110 --> 01:33:50.850 that's a 01:33:51.590 --> 01:33:58.550 That's just to qualify that too because there's always the examples of like but that didn't work for me or that definitely harms me or that whatever 01:33:58.550 --> 01:33:59.790 And it's like well, that's why 01:34:01.710 --> 01:34:06.810 I still have a teacher that so would say when it rains get wet, please get wet 01:34:07.690 --> 01:34:12.410 Right and so that idea that you could and this ties back into the sensitivity too 01:34:12.410 --> 01:34:16.650 That you could say go through a horrific experience and have no impressions 01:34:17.390 --> 01:34:19.910 Or you know the the resulting programming 01:34:20.550 --> 01:34:23.290 But it's I think it's the other way around 01:34:23.290 --> 01:34:27.930 personally in my experience that the more inner work you do the more 01:34:28.470 --> 01:34:29.650 Free will you earn 01:34:29.650 --> 01:34:32.470 The more impressionable you become 01:34:32.470 --> 01:34:35.590 Now not in a with a lack of discernment 01:34:35.590 --> 01:34:40.290 That you couldn't choose and you know like I saw an image. I let myself watch a movie 01:34:40.730 --> 01:34:47.150 Every so often I like indulge in that because I haven't seen many over my lifetime and and you know some of these 01:34:47.650 --> 01:34:53.550 Horrific images. It's exactly when I turn it off, but I'll spend the next 24 48 hours detoxing the image 01:34:54.070 --> 01:34:56.990 Right like I have to actively do that 01:34:56.990 --> 01:35:04.510 In order to not have it be you know loss of energy or kind of cause of suffering for me even to just see this fictitious image 01:35:05.530 --> 01:35:06.010 so 01:35:07.010 --> 01:35:12.490 But impressionable is not bad either because um, you want to be impressionable because when somebody leaves a good impression 01:35:12.490 --> 01:35:15.610 You want that to be the case, but also you can be impressionable 01:35:15.610 --> 01:35:19.030 You can walk into a room and leave a good impression on an audience for example 01:35:19.030 --> 01:35:24.550 So so it's just nothing's like inherently like oh, that's a shit thing. If we're impressionable 01:35:24.550 --> 01:35:27.590 It's a it's definitely a good thing. It's by design 01:35:28.550 --> 01:35:31.970 Right that that's we wouldn't be who we are without that 01:35:32.490 --> 01:35:38.390 And probably not be able to have relationships with each other if we couldn't make an impression. So 01:35:38.970 --> 01:35:42.650 Yeah boundaries are a good one. Absolutely. I'm sure I missed a bunch of 01:35:43.330 --> 01:35:47.470 But I want to go back to my notes selfishly just in case there we still have a few a few 01:35:48.290 --> 01:35:50.290 question time for a few questions left 01:35:51.150 --> 01:35:56.010 Um, one of the things that I've noticed is that when it comes to free will being 01:35:56.530 --> 01:35:59.510 If not the same thing as freedom, right people 01:36:00.270 --> 01:36:03.550 get on a megaphone and yell freedom and 01:36:03.550 --> 01:36:08.870 And you can see very quickly who doesn't have a hot clue what that even is even though they're 01:36:08.870 --> 01:36:12.690 They're yelling it like a mantra or it's become a kind of narrative 01:36:13.310 --> 01:36:19.930 In our whatever the freedom movement is nobody can even you know a lot of disillusionment around that and 01:36:20.290 --> 01:36:24.170 I've discovered that people are actually terrified by real freedom 01:36:24.790 --> 01:36:29.710 Right not freedom from tyranny not freedom from disease not freedom from even programming 01:36:30.490 --> 01:36:32.030 but but the real deal 01:36:33.150 --> 01:36:40.010 And so how do you help people over that precipice like is there any way to reframe 01:36:41.030 --> 01:36:44.930 Or is that just naive thinking that somehow you can 01:36:45.830 --> 01:36:49.890 Change their thinking and give them a different relationship to freedom 01:36:50.830 --> 01:36:55.250 Do you mean the what do you mean the types that are at the rallies and and shouting for freedom and 01:36:55.790 --> 01:37:01.150 They know that there's something wrong with society, but they just are blaming it on like the government and stuff is 01:37:02.230 --> 01:37:07.510 Um, yes, yes, because like they're willing to show up at the rally and and uh chant 01:37:08.150 --> 01:37:14.790 But when it comes to taking responsibility for themselves earning their right to choose learning 01:37:14.790 --> 01:37:18.170 Being educated. They don't want to do that 01:37:18.170 --> 01:37:22.590 Right. So so they're they're happy to rail against the machine and chant about freedom 01:37:22.590 --> 01:37:28.390 But when real freedom knocks on their door and says, oh, well, you might need a garden or you might need a community 01:37:28.390 --> 01:37:30.170 to live with or you might 01:37:30.810 --> 01:37:33.750 You know, not that the freedom doesn't depend on those things 01:37:33.750 --> 01:37:39.770 It doesn't depend on literally anything because you could be in a jail and be free. I know that for a fact 01:37:39.770 --> 01:37:48.430 Um, but but the terror and I hear this all the time in my work because that's the whole purpose of the deprogramming work is to 01:37:49.290 --> 01:37:53.590 Experience freedom. That's not a state. That's not a frequency 01:37:54.270 --> 01:37:58.250 It is beyond that. It's the source of that if there's anything that 01:37:58.810 --> 01:38:00.170 You could say about it 01:38:00.690 --> 01:38:01.890 That's all I could say 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.810 And and they're literally I just agree with what you're saying 01:38:04.810 --> 01:38:07.410 Okay. Okay. Like it's the caged bird, right? 01:38:08.030 --> 01:38:12.210 That you try to take it out and it freaks out like, oh my goodness. I'm dying 01:38:13.350 --> 01:38:17.310 And and how do you how do you how can you assist in that? 01:38:18.190 --> 01:38:22.070 Um, I don't so I guess that's your question 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.650 I mean, I think people have to come to that 01:38:24.650 --> 01:38:25.410 um 01:38:25.410 --> 01:38:32.090 That kind of realization on their own and then if they ask for tools to be able to do that that's where I 01:38:32.870 --> 01:38:38.610 Help people with tools to do that. But as far as trying to convince people or tell them they're wrong or 01:38:39.390 --> 01:38:40.210 That's just not 01:38:40.730 --> 01:38:42.970 That's this another thing. I think that the 01:38:42.970 --> 01:38:47.250 There's an old expression that the greatest, um revenge that you can have on like 01:38:47.690 --> 01:38:52.050 People who are, you know wish bad for you, whatever. It's just to not be like them 01:38:52.550 --> 01:38:56.230 And so likewise if you're just really strongly on your own path 01:38:56.230 --> 01:39:00.670 And then that's enough for people to just go like I'm doing all this rah, rah, rah stuff 01:39:00.670 --> 01:39:06.130 But then why is that guy, um living a I like the life that he's living kind of thing 01:39:06.130 --> 01:39:11.390 And it naturally draws them towards that then I think that's the best you can do to kind of change somebody's mind 01:39:11.390 --> 01:39:15.950 But I just uh, I've tried in the past like, you know 10 20 years ago 01:39:15.950 --> 01:39:20.030 That was my thing was trying to convince people but um, yeah, I just never 01:39:20.850 --> 01:39:21.370 never 01:39:22.090 --> 01:39:26.150 Had any success with that like people can definitely come to 01:39:26.150 --> 01:39:31.990 They just become like weirdly interested in it instead of being interested in that but they never change any and 01:39:32.350 --> 01:39:39.650 It just doesn't go very far. So I just don't think that um anything other than really living it yourself and being that yourself is 01:39:40.190 --> 01:39:41.650 Is going to be fruitful for 01:39:42.190 --> 01:39:45.790 For trying to feel like, you know trying to quite and quite help people that are stuck in that 01:39:45.790 --> 01:39:50.430 That paradigm they just have to see that there's something different because if they're doing that they're just 01:39:50.430 --> 01:39:54.330 They want something different. They're doing that what they think they can do 01:39:54.330 --> 01:39:57.310 So this to them is action that's affirmative in the right direction 01:39:57.310 --> 01:40:00.870 But it's only because they don't have any other tools. They don't know any other way 01:40:00.870 --> 01:40:04.410 So it's not like they're idiots or they're wrong or they're bad or whatever. It's just that they don't 01:40:05.390 --> 01:40:06.210 They just don't know 01:40:06.710 --> 01:40:12.190 Any better. So if they can see something that's better or a gentle offering of just a question 01:40:12.190 --> 01:40:15.470 So I always find questions work well. It's like, hey, how are you going with that? 01:40:15.530 --> 01:40:18.970 Hey, have you considered this? Have you have you look for any other ways? 01:40:19.250 --> 01:40:23.170 Are you aware of such and such and if they show an interest then I'll 01:40:23.170 --> 01:40:29.550 Help if they're not interested. It's just not my um, it's just not not for me to enter into that 01:40:29.550 --> 01:40:35.490 Yeah, and would you say that that would be in a front on their free will to try to 01:40:36.100 --> 01:40:37.390 You know give them a different 01:40:38.550 --> 01:40:40.570 perspective or take their fear away 01:40:41.190 --> 01:40:44.090 It would feel like I don't think it's in a front on it because 01:40:44.690 --> 01:40:50.490 In like technically you'd be offering them a greater breadth of choice to exercise free will but 01:40:51.170 --> 01:40:58.510 Yeah, in the in the isolated context of their limited amount of choices which are programmed then that's kind of taken away from their ability to 01:40:59.350 --> 01:41:05.290 Indulge in that paradigm until they they realize that that paradigm is like this has entropy and they're just like 01:41:05.290 --> 01:41:08.410 There's got to be more than that and then they'll go looking for 01:41:09.150 --> 01:41:15.830 You know, it's it's kind of like when I gave the example earlier about the colored pens and the choices and thinking that's like 01:41:15.830 --> 01:41:23.850 Well, that's what you're told exists unless you're willing to look beyond what you're told into what's actually out there so that it's not 01:41:25.470 --> 01:41:28.870 Then you're going to be very limited in the choices that you have in life 01:41:28.870 --> 01:41:31.430 Yeah, that's how we raise children 01:41:31.430 --> 01:41:37.130 I I learned that skill no one had to teach it to me that if I want my son to do one of two things 01:41:37.130 --> 01:41:39.490 I'm going to make it seem like there's only two options 01:41:40.090 --> 01:41:44.490 You want to do this thing that I want you to do or you want to do this thing that I want you to do 01:41:44.490 --> 01:41:47.710 And that lasted about five minutes. Yeah, he got 01:41:49.190 --> 01:41:52.990 Well, it's also how it's also how sales works because 01:41:54.670 --> 01:41:57.490 Sales works on on like alternate closers 01:41:57.490 --> 01:42:01.130 It's like would you prefer the red or the blue if you say do you want a pen? 01:42:01.310 --> 01:42:05.810 Someone can say yes or no and no is not good in sales. Did you say would you prefer the red or the blue? 01:42:05.950 --> 01:42:07.290 You're like, I guess the blue 01:42:07.910 --> 01:42:11.230 You might not have even really wanted a pen, but you would prefer blue than red 01:42:11.230 --> 01:42:14.050 So now you're making a choice and then the sales are occurring 01:42:14.590 --> 01:42:20.710 It's kind of a really a good analogy for the way that the world as in while people are stuck in that model 01:42:21.270 --> 01:42:26.390 Works is that you just you're going between a selection of predetermined choices 01:42:27.030 --> 01:42:29.010 Of which there are multitude and infinite 01:42:29.630 --> 01:42:33.610 Beyond that you just have to access it. You have to grow out of being able to be solved 01:42:34.450 --> 01:42:38.290 Essentially where you have to decide to actually really want or need a pen in the first place 01:42:38.290 --> 01:42:40.110 Is there another way to 01:42:40.730 --> 01:42:43.070 Go about what I'm trying to achieve is there, you know 01:42:43.070 --> 01:42:47.470 And you start having divergent thinking and you start to move away from those paradigms 01:42:47.470 --> 01:42:52.230 and that's where you start accessing a lot more of choice and free will and so on and so forth and 01:42:53.110 --> 01:42:59.190 Yeah, there's so many analogies for the sales is a great actual analogy for so many things in life 01:42:59.190 --> 01:43:00.950 The way people are programmed to respond 01:43:01.510 --> 01:43:04.490 It's even what police and governments do with sales 01:43:05.670 --> 01:43:09.630 Right, they must be trained in that those exact methods. Don't you think? 01:43:10.510 --> 01:43:17.370 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's the you communicate in a way that only leaves room for a predetermined set of outcomes 01:43:17.370 --> 01:43:17.870 That's why 01:43:18.430 --> 01:43:20.470 One of the best ways to quote unquote 01:43:20.470 --> 01:43:23.030 Break the matrix or whatever you want to call that 01:43:23.030 --> 01:43:26.470 Break a program is to do something that's unexpected 01:43:27.270 --> 01:43:30.470 And I've got a few I've got a lesson coming up in my course on that 01:43:30.470 --> 01:43:33.850 It's when you see people go into a courtroom. There's this dude that goes into a 01:43:35.350 --> 01:43:38.530 Something rather than the states and you start to break dancing and everyone's kind of like 01:43:38.530 --> 01:43:39.610 What are you doing? 01:43:39.750 --> 01:43:44.030 And you like ends up on the ground doing like a spin around on his back like holding his legs up in that 01:43:44.570 --> 01:43:48.170 And it what it does is it breaks the frame or it breaks the paradigm 01:43:48.170 --> 01:43:50.130 It's like that's not supposed to happen 01:43:50.130 --> 01:43:55.390 And I've done when I before I even knew how to handle commerce like the way I would interact with 01:43:55.390 --> 01:43:57.830 police or border or whatever I would 01:43:57.830 --> 01:44:02.610 And like just naturally know to to fall into a different character 01:44:02.610 --> 01:44:07.890 That broke the paradigm and when they don't have the same I do this. This is what happens in result 01:44:07.890 --> 01:44:10.750 They're either going to do this this or this and I'm doing that 01:44:11.250 --> 01:44:15.970 They don't know how to respond to it. It just compobulates their like authoritarian mind and all of a sudden 01:44:15.970 --> 01:44:20.170 They don't have interest in me anymore when they were previously going to try and give me a ticket 01:44:20.790 --> 01:44:23.770 That fascinated me. I learned that like in 2008 01:44:24.390 --> 01:44:26.630 That was like way early on I started to play 01:44:27.530 --> 01:44:30.730 Characters and do weird things that like interrupted the 01:44:31.370 --> 01:44:34.930 The pre the the the the script the narrative. It just interrupted it 01:44:34.930 --> 01:44:39.570 It's like a pattern interrupt and it really was effective and may not be embodied by 01:44:41.030 --> 01:44:43.890 The judicial system and I was like, wow, that's that's fascinating 01:44:43.890 --> 01:44:49.850 And then I realized how that actually played out more in so far as the way the control mechanism of the world works 01:44:50.470 --> 01:44:53.510 Um, it's just it's that's another whole topic day 01:44:54.570 --> 01:44:57.470 Yeah, that's the most fun. I have is the pattern interrupt 01:44:58.070 --> 01:45:00.550 Because I I see the patterns really well 01:45:00.550 --> 01:45:05.450 I work in a field where people literally bring their patterns that they're unaware of 01:45:06.110 --> 01:45:10.670 And so when you see them and somebody's very deep into them, they're maybe not 01:45:11.450 --> 01:45:16.510 You know as easily accepting responsibility for what's happening in their life 01:45:16.510 --> 01:45:20.310 There's a number of tools, but you often don't know what they are 01:45:20.970 --> 01:45:26.790 I also have the memory of getting into one of our markets here when I didn't intend to go 01:45:26.790 --> 01:45:30.750 I decided, okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be a troublemaker. I'm just gonna sit in the car and wait 01:45:30.750 --> 01:45:36.070 But I saw my elderly friend limping to the door. I'm like, you know, darna. I'm gonna help her in there 01:45:36.070 --> 01:45:41.450 I don't I don't care. I'm just gonna go do that and the guy confronts me and like you need a mask 01:45:41.450 --> 01:45:44.170 And then I just said I'm helping this woman 01:45:44.990 --> 01:45:47.590 And and you could see the pattern shattered for him 01:45:47.590 --> 01:45:50.670 He he went blank and we walked by 01:45:52.170 --> 01:45:56.990 And it was just it was just that exact moment now, you know, you can't make that that into a script 01:45:57.510 --> 01:46:02.330 It doesn't work like that, but it was it was I just pulled something. I'm helping this woman 01:46:03.370 --> 01:46:08.410 And so it was you just what you just nailed it you you had spontaneity and creativity in the moment 01:46:08.410 --> 01:46:11.470 That's outside of the paradigm of the script or the pattern or the narrative 01:46:12.030 --> 01:46:13.410 And it's you nailed it 01:46:13.410 --> 01:46:17.550 But that's why you can't learn scripts because if you learn a script and bring it into a 01:46:17.550 --> 01:46:21.770 It's the same thing. They don't nothing breaks it a script won't break it 01:46:21.770 --> 01:46:23.110 It can help you to 01:46:23.110 --> 01:46:29.090 Access something your new scripts aren't all bad, but they're not to be relied upon because it's not you 01:46:29.090 --> 01:46:33.590 It's not something that's innately coming through you, but the script can help you unlock that 01:46:33.590 --> 01:46:38.150 So that's just that's why I don't say like never use never learn different wording 01:46:38.150 --> 01:46:41.670 It's powerful, but it's only to access something deeper in you 01:46:42.610 --> 01:46:46.030 Exactly what I noticed is that the script works for a time 01:46:46.030 --> 01:46:49.210 And I think this is related to our impressionable nature 01:46:49.810 --> 01:46:53.490 Our programmable nature that there's there's certain instructions 01:46:53.490 --> 01:46:57.590 You might have found this with certain modalities or techniques or tools that 01:46:57.590 --> 01:47:01.170 That you know, it works right away. I used to be able to let go of hiccups 01:47:01.170 --> 01:47:06.850 Which you can you don't think you could let go of and I would use one word. I would say unsuppress 01:47:08.150 --> 01:47:13.390 And then my body would follow that instruction. I would unsuppress the hiccup would end immediately 01:47:13.910 --> 01:47:17.750 Like I'm going wow fancy that don't have to suffer with hiccups 01:47:17.750 --> 01:47:21.230 But there came a time where that didn't work anymore. Why? 01:47:22.010 --> 01:47:23.370 Because my system 01:47:24.030 --> 01:47:24.910 predicted it 01:47:25.490 --> 01:47:27.330 It was no longer a pattern interrupt 01:47:28.610 --> 01:47:30.390 And so I had to use other 01:47:31.230 --> 01:47:31.670 approaches 01:47:32.630 --> 01:47:34.150 Absolutely. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense 01:47:34.850 --> 01:47:37.550 Yeah, yeah, that's good. This is fun for me. I like this 01:47:38.150 --> 01:47:38.610 um 01:47:40.010 --> 01:47:42.770 What would you consider to be the law? 01:47:43.070 --> 01:47:46.990 Maybe maybe we talked about this the law of pain. I've heard you talk about that 01:47:49.430 --> 01:47:49.890 So 01:47:50.990 --> 01:47:55.550 It's just it's inevitable. There's a quote that says pains and inevitable suffering is optional 01:47:56.150 --> 01:48:02.210 Because we're we're going to go through various forms of pain in life no matter what I think it's always requires growth 01:48:02.210 --> 01:48:06.690 That's why like when we're children we go through growing pains. I just think it's a natural part of 01:48:07.370 --> 01:48:11.490 The way life works until we can because the thing about every law 01:48:11.490 --> 01:48:15.870 Which is like a natural law cause and effect is that we can actually transcend them 01:48:16.370 --> 01:48:21.770 But that's like reserved for when you actually start to achieve mastery in different levels of of life 01:48:21.770 --> 01:48:25.670 So until then though, I think the pain is just a natural part of life 01:48:26.210 --> 01:48:31.590 And it doesn't have to mean that you have like physical pain. You're in crippling pain the example that 01:48:31.590 --> 01:48:34.190 I think I was in a post the example I gave is like 01:48:34.750 --> 01:48:37.910 If you imagine somebody that's been smoking for like 40 years 01:48:38.950 --> 01:48:39.830 And they're in 01:48:40.390 --> 01:48:44.550 All sorts of physical dish repair like they're really not enjoying life 01:48:44.550 --> 01:48:50.930 They're um, it's not necessarily because of the smoking. It's because of who they are why they're smoking how they're doing it and everything else, right 01:48:50.930 --> 01:48:55.490 So it's either going to be really painful for someone in that position to give up because they're addicted 01:48:56.150 --> 01:49:00.850 They rely on it. It's painful to have to give up and go through that and go through cold turkey or whatever 01:49:00.850 --> 01:49:04.290 But continuing with their habits is also going to be painful 01:49:04.910 --> 01:49:05.390 because 01:49:05.990 --> 01:49:09.290 It's like they're already in pain and continuous. So they're going to be 01:49:09.290 --> 01:49:11.890 Faced with the pain of discipline or the pain of regret 01:49:12.730 --> 01:49:18.570 So but the difference is one's going to lead to something fruitful and the one's going to lead to a demise either way 01:49:18.570 --> 01:49:19.650 They're going to go through pain 01:49:19.650 --> 01:49:25.370 So pain doesn't have to be bad and suffering is optional pain can actually be very very fruitful and very joyful 01:49:25.370 --> 01:49:26.730 to to go through 01:49:27.450 --> 01:49:33.610 Even something like discipline, which is painful for people who don't innately have a lot of drive or discipline 01:49:33.610 --> 01:49:37.030 Do they have to like almost force themselves to do things that are good for them? 01:49:38.410 --> 01:49:39.990 Inherently that feels good 01:49:39.990 --> 01:49:46.050 Because once they achieve it and they realize that they were better off after doing something that required discipline to do 01:49:46.050 --> 01:49:49.650 they have satisfaction and self-worth and like 01:49:50.230 --> 01:49:50.490 just 01:49:50.490 --> 01:49:56.630 A sense of being fed in a way that like those 15 Oreos they were going to eat couldn't have given them 01:49:56.730 --> 01:49:57.110 so 01:49:57.690 --> 01:49:59.310 It pain doesn't have to be bad 01:49:59.310 --> 01:50:03.750 It's when we can embrace it as a teacher once we've met a particular pain teacher 01:50:03.750 --> 01:50:06.170 We really have to meet that particular pain teacher again 01:50:06.730 --> 01:50:11.830 So that can include things that we're inflicting physical pain on us as well. We don't need to meet that teacher again 01:50:13.150 --> 01:50:17.590 Yeah, beautiful. I love that that I mean pain is pain when you get to it 01:50:17.590 --> 01:50:24.930 But I you're saying exactly the same thing. I just use these words that there's the pain with purpose and then there's the purposeless pain 01:50:25.730 --> 01:50:26.770 Right of 01:50:27.350 --> 01:50:31.610 Staying and eating the Oreos and not gaining discipline and not growing 01:50:31.610 --> 01:50:36.410 Avoiding growing people will put all their might into avoidance of growing 01:50:37.090 --> 01:50:41.130 And there's so much pain in it and and if they cross the threshold to the other side 01:50:41.130 --> 01:50:46.850 They're they're in for a lot of pain too, but it's different. It's like actually feeding the soul 01:50:47.930 --> 01:50:53.450 Rather than starving it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's it. Yeah, exactly. It's just a different paradigm 01:50:53.450 --> 01:51:00.390 So, yeah, I once you also once you once you learn to not fear pain and try to avoid pain you 01:51:00.390 --> 01:51:04.490 You experience less of it. It's it's weird and I think it's that biggest 01:51:05.210 --> 01:51:10.410 Fear most people have is that fear of death once you can get through that the fear of dying 01:51:10.410 --> 01:51:15.990 Then you're you're truly living like in my opinion if you're afraid of death, you're not really alive already 01:51:15.990 --> 01:51:17.650 so it's it's one of those um 01:51:18.190 --> 01:51:22.150 Paradoxes but same with pain like once you stop fearing it. You don't want to resist that anymore 01:51:22.710 --> 01:51:24.750 So like life becomes a lot more free 01:51:25.450 --> 01:51:27.750 Yeah, amen to that. There's a lot of times 01:51:27.750 --> 01:51:32.770 I'll I'll I'll say that exactly about the the primary fear being of dying and most people go 01:51:32.770 --> 01:51:34.530 Oh, I have no fear of dying whatsoever 01:51:34.530 --> 01:51:37.730 I I I fear suffering is almost always the follow-up 01:51:37.730 --> 01:51:44.330 But it's so deeply unconscious people are not aware of it. They don't want to touch it. You know, I had a 01:51:44.330 --> 01:51:49.810 A lovely client beautiful. I love her and and she spent 40 minutes trying not to feel that 01:51:50.450 --> 01:51:54.410 And then she and then finally she got brave and she went into it as like, whoa 01:51:54.410 --> 01:51:59.190 Right, there was this just the whole and a massive shift on the other side 01:51:59.190 --> 01:52:02.690 That was waiting for her. So like God doesn't set up 01:52:03.770 --> 01:52:05.670 fruitless pain is what I notice 01:52:06.270 --> 01:52:10.330 That there's always a gift to have the courage to go through it 01:52:11.190 --> 01:52:14.530 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's when life deals it to us 01:52:14.530 --> 01:52:20.650 The difference is though that we can create that for ourselves when we are definitely being the cause of 01:52:20.650 --> 01:52:25.730 When we're unwilling to resolve things or we're unwilling to look at what is that we're creating? I think 01:52:25.730 --> 01:52:29.530 You know, like it's pretty I think it'd be pretty obvious to people 01:52:29.530 --> 01:52:34.770 The difference between when life deals are something and the and then the pain that we're creating through our own lack of 01:52:34.770 --> 01:52:36.570 willingness to engage in our own 01:52:37.150 --> 01:52:41.250 You know, inner authority and self-governance and what have you we can just cause it all for ourselves 01:52:41.830 --> 01:52:45.030 Right, right. Could we talk about the king archetype? 01:52:46.090 --> 01:52:48.570 Yeah, since that's part of your whole 01:52:49.270 --> 01:52:50.590 beautiful new brand 01:52:51.250 --> 01:52:52.110 the humble kingdom 01:52:52.890 --> 01:52:56.710 And how do you see that that king? What's the nature of that for you? 01:52:58.530 --> 01:53:02.650 So, I mean, I'm aware of the actual archetypes the way that they describe 01:53:03.190 --> 01:53:04.070 the different 01:53:05.110 --> 01:53:06.250 the different stages 01:53:07.130 --> 01:53:09.690 so for what I'll add that I guess is 01:53:10.550 --> 01:53:13.230 directly relevant to what it is that I'm helping to share is that 01:53:14.490 --> 01:53:15.670 When I'm talking about 01:53:16.430 --> 01:53:18.770 kingdoms, it's it's what's within us 01:53:18.770 --> 01:53:23.550 So it's not necessarily an archetype like going from a child archetype to like maybe a 01:53:23.550 --> 01:53:28.830 You know, like the wizard or the king or the it's not really about that. It's just the kingdom that's within 01:53:29.330 --> 01:53:33.550 It's very old. It's not mine either. Like the bible talks about the kingdom is within 01:53:34.170 --> 01:53:37.730 Many of the other spiritual texts from all the different cultures talk about the inner kingdom 01:53:38.430 --> 01:53:44.230 And it's that way to access it and and what is it and what why is it? So like why is it important? 01:53:45.090 --> 01:53:49.910 kingdoms hold wealth kingdoms hold security and safety kingdoms hold purpose kingdoms hold 01:53:50.530 --> 01:53:52.970 value and love and and reason and 01:53:53.410 --> 01:53:55.090 servitude to to hire 01:53:55.890 --> 01:53:56.750 To something higher 01:53:57.230 --> 01:54:03.370 So when we can access that then we stop looking and outsourcing so much for that to be outside and following illusory 01:54:03.970 --> 01:54:08.350 Forms of that. So you got your fiction and your and your um substance or your public and your private 01:54:08.350 --> 01:54:13.430 So the kingdom is like the private it's has substance and it's it's already given to us but 01:54:13.990 --> 01:54:17.050 Similarly to free will like most people just don't access it. They have to earn it 01:54:17.050 --> 01:54:20.490 You have to earn your way to the kingdom. You have to give up and sacrifice things 01:54:20.490 --> 01:54:23.510 You have to be willing to be humble enough to receive it. It's not like 01:54:23.990 --> 01:54:29.530 Because the inversion of it is the king who's like sticks a crown on his head and he's a ruler and 01:54:29.530 --> 01:54:34.250 Whatever I say people will do and I'll just receive a lot of taxes and give myself a lot of wealth 01:54:34.910 --> 01:54:39.490 And I want like heaps of servants to do everything for me. I don't want to do anything myself. I'm the king 01:54:40.090 --> 01:54:41.930 You know, that's kind of like the hyper masculine 01:54:42.570 --> 01:54:47.810 You know women do this for me and and like I have 15 Ferraris and I'm the I'm the king 01:54:47.810 --> 01:54:50.310 Like people do what I say if I walk into the club 01:54:50.310 --> 01:54:55.850 Everyone looks to me and respects me and that's like the inversion of a of a kingdom a true kingdom 01:54:56.390 --> 01:54:58.370 so that's why I called it that because I'm like 01:54:59.610 --> 01:55:01.950 After everything I've gone through and learned over the years 01:55:01.950 --> 01:55:07.150 I just keep saying so much that it's and what I was entrapped in as well was the illusions and the programs 01:55:07.150 --> 01:55:09.170 The egregors the spells 01:55:09.730 --> 01:55:15.330 Everything that's designed to take us out of ourselves and out of who we really are and when we can contain that and come back 01:55:15.330 --> 01:55:17.630 In then we can get access to that kingdom 01:55:17.630 --> 01:55:22.370 But again, we have to earn it and we have to be willing to be humble enough to to get there and 01:55:22.910 --> 01:55:26.650 And but the weird thing is that that also leads to you know 01:55:26.650 --> 01:55:29.290 People chase the external wealth, but that leads to true wealth 01:55:29.290 --> 01:55:30.310 It was just 01:55:30.830 --> 01:55:35.170 Way more satisfying, but it's just it's there, but we just have to be willing to access that 01:55:35.830 --> 01:55:38.010 So yeah that if I was just gonna answer 01:55:38.010 --> 01:55:40.710 So that was just the pre the preamble but to answer that question 01:55:40.710 --> 01:55:44.970 But for me like if I'm gonna talk about that in the context that I'm using it 01:55:44.970 --> 01:55:51.030 It's the it's to occupy a standing as a king and the standing as a king is not as a ruler 01:55:51.030 --> 01:55:54.690 It's almost as a servant, but you it's not as like you never give you power away 01:55:55.250 --> 01:55:57.290 You never allow people to cross boundaries 01:55:57.990 --> 01:56:01.210 It's there's a there's a power and a humility that go hand in hand 01:56:01.210 --> 01:56:06.130 And it's like they don't exist without without the other that's the archetype if you're going to say an archetype 01:56:06.130 --> 01:56:08.130 That's the one that I'm 01:56:08.950 --> 01:56:14.690 I'm working towards creating teachings around yeah, but I guess with because you know like you talk about the 01:56:14.690 --> 01:56:20.190 You know the archetypes and then the king archetype in the traditional sense. Is there any way that you think that they go together? 01:56:21.470 --> 01:56:23.990 I'm right on board with your definition 01:56:23.990 --> 01:56:33.570 I do talk about shadows and and gifts the shadows being you know, when it's an energy that you're not aware of your tendency might be to 01:56:33.570 --> 01:56:39.810 Not be the humble king, but to try to power over and dominate others to get addicted to power 01:56:39.810 --> 01:56:49.390 To um, you know, feel like there's never enough. It doesn't matter how much you get you have to always be a workaholic and keep amassing more wealth 01:56:50.110 --> 01:56:57.350 And um, no, I'm I'm right. I'm totally down with your your view that that's exactly like the servant king is another way to say 01:56:58.110 --> 01:57:00.030 uh, this you know 01:57:00.830 --> 01:57:02.110 humble kingdom or 01:57:02.830 --> 01:57:03.110 maybe 01:57:03.990 --> 01:57:06.670 Different like is the kingdom is not the king 01:57:07.390 --> 01:57:09.030 How would the kingdom's a place 01:57:09.670 --> 01:57:15.230 So dom dom's kind of like the the prefix there for domicile and domicile is where you 01:57:15.230 --> 01:57:21.270 Are where you live or but but kind of more so where you are in the world not of the world like where you are not where you live 01:57:21.810 --> 01:57:25.650 And um, so that's where that's the kingdom the kingdom is a place 01:57:25.650 --> 01:57:29.870 The kingdom's a place that we all have access to and it's we all have a different kingdom within 01:57:30.510 --> 01:57:36.690 So it takes away then also knowing that can also take away power structures where people give all their stuff to like 01:57:36.690 --> 01:57:37.810 the queen of 01:57:38.430 --> 01:57:43.810 England in in their kingdom. It's like that's the that's the um fictitious the fictitious version of 01:57:44.430 --> 01:57:48.230 A kingdom and when you realize you have your own you're less likely to outsource and give power 01:57:48.230 --> 01:57:52.970 Like if I if I'm subservient to that in return, I'll get this 01:57:53.510 --> 01:57:54.330 I'll get 01:57:54.830 --> 01:57:58.990 You know sustenance or safety or security or whatever I'll have value 01:57:58.990 --> 01:58:01.130 I'll have a purpose in a role to play in this world 01:58:01.130 --> 01:58:01.650 And it's like 01:58:02.210 --> 01:58:05.690 If you revert that to knowing that that's already there 01:58:05.690 --> 01:58:11.310 Then you're less likely to give you a power away to illusions and people doing smoke and mirrors to try to take 01:58:11.310 --> 01:58:13.510 Away your energy which actually comes from the kingdom 01:58:13.510 --> 01:58:16.950 It's like the place that has that inherent riches and wealth and everything 01:58:17.410 --> 01:58:20.630 Is taken when we give it away and outsource like that 01:58:20.630 --> 01:58:26.010 So it's about containing that and being able to use that for us because that's who it's for it's for us 01:58:26.010 --> 01:58:27.150 It's not it's not to 01:58:27.150 --> 01:58:31.890 Something give out it's like we can share the wealth so to speak in a positive way 01:58:31.890 --> 01:58:35.630 But we're not to give it away like to for it to be quite and quite taxed from us 01:58:35.630 --> 01:58:38.650 But that's our giving as opposed to a 01:58:39.470 --> 01:58:40.650 an outright taking 01:58:41.830 --> 01:58:47.650 Yeah, that's a really big difference. Have you noticed that people people love to give but they don't like to be asked 01:58:49.910 --> 01:58:50.770 Very much 01:58:50.770 --> 01:58:55.650 Yeah, same as sales same as sales actually people love to buy they don't like to be sold 01:58:56.710 --> 01:58:57.190 Right 01:58:57.910 --> 01:59:02.490 Right. Yeah, it back to free will right because that you start to 01:59:02.770 --> 01:59:05.730 As if encroach on that free will 01:59:07.590 --> 01:59:08.070 Definitely 01:59:08.590 --> 01:59:09.370 Yeah, yeah 01:59:09.370 --> 01:59:10.190 Do you think 01:59:10.970 --> 01:59:14.570 Maybe I think I've already promised one question, but I still have one 01:59:15.170 --> 01:59:15.750 in addition 01:59:16.650 --> 01:59:19.750 That couldn't you can you take someone's free will away? 01:59:21.090 --> 01:59:24.570 Yeah, I think so, but I think but when I say that 01:59:25.870 --> 01:59:28.910 To qualify it's not that you can take it away 01:59:28.910 --> 01:59:32.050 But you can influence them so heavily that they'll give it away 01:59:32.050 --> 01:59:37.610 And the way that that would work is that you you can be you can traumatize somebody into giving it away 01:59:37.610 --> 01:59:41.630 Essentially, but I still because I've seen I can see two people in the same scenario 01:59:41.630 --> 01:59:46.550 Same amount of trauma the same amount of like, you know, like everything put on to them 01:59:46.550 --> 01:59:50.190 One gives in and gives it away and the other they're just kind of like, well, what are you doing? 01:59:50.330 --> 01:59:51.710 Like that's just annoying go away 01:59:52.150 --> 01:59:57.070 You know one person gave it the other person didn't which is why I just don't think you can you can take it from someone 01:59:57.830 --> 02:00:02.390 Even with things like vaccines even with things like, you know forced 02:00:03.910 --> 02:00:04.390 Just 02:00:04.390 --> 02:00:10.350 Uh, you know influence and trauma on people. I still think you have to give it, but the intent is to take it 02:00:10.350 --> 02:00:13.850 So that's kind of like to call it to the subtleties of that question 02:00:13.850 --> 02:00:15.790 The intent is to take it absolutely 02:00:16.310 --> 02:00:19.270 But I still think you have to give it right, right? 02:00:19.630 --> 02:00:24.110 Some people would say that's the like the ultimate highest possible sin that there is 02:00:24.110 --> 02:00:25.250 Is to 02:00:26.050 --> 02:00:31.270 Threaten somebody's free will to to make it so hard for them to continue on 02:00:32.250 --> 02:00:36.910 Yeah, it's imposing yourself upon somebody and trying to break their will for sure like that's um 02:00:36.910 --> 02:00:38.770 It's definitely no no to do 02:00:39.390 --> 02:00:43.050 Right, right. Yeah, I think if there's a definition of satanic that might be 02:00:43.530 --> 02:00:46.170 Might be there not that I need one these days at all 02:00:47.150 --> 02:00:55.070 And um, yeah, so do you want to tell people how to take advantage of your courses and and uh teachings that you have to offer 02:00:55.070 --> 02:00:56.310 And anything else that you have 02:00:57.530 --> 02:01:01.130 Yeah, it's pretty simple. So we just have the humble kingdom.com at the moment 02:01:01.130 --> 02:01:04.110 That's our site and we have a course to beginners guide to natural law 02:01:04.110 --> 02:01:09.510 So that goes through all of the what you would need to know as a beginner to start figuring this out 02:01:10.030 --> 02:01:14.350 The way I describe it is that the whole realm that we're in is governed by natural law 02:01:14.350 --> 02:01:18.510 And then you can disseminate that down into different parts individual parts of your life 02:01:18.510 --> 02:01:22.390 And they all work on the same principles whether you're dealing with your love ones 02:01:22.390 --> 02:01:23.870 If you're dealing with the public system 02:01:23.870 --> 02:01:27.950 If you're dealing with laws of cause and effect in the world, they're all governed by natural laws 02:01:27.950 --> 02:01:31.130 So when you can get the basics down you start to become 02:01:31.610 --> 02:01:35.170 It's not like it's happening to you. You're a part of it. So you're actually meeting life 02:01:35.930 --> 02:01:42.730 And uh, when you understand like the rules of that game, you can start implementing that in a way that helps you rather than feeling like 02:01:42.730 --> 02:01:48.410 Life's for the world or society is like trying to take from you or oppressing you or anything of that nature 02:01:48.410 --> 02:01:53.750 So for me what it does in simple terms is it levels the playing field through um, practical things 02:01:53.750 --> 02:01:55.850 You can do and then the inner work as well 02:01:56.450 --> 02:02:00.910 Um, so it's just the one course and it's self-learning you don't have to enroll at a particular time 02:02:00.910 --> 02:02:04.870 You just as soon as you take the course, uh, you have access to the lessons 02:02:05.590 --> 02:02:08.470 It's currently priced and in a beta stage as well 02:02:08.470 --> 02:02:11.690 The price will go up once it's finished and before the end of the year 02:02:11.690 --> 02:02:16.730 there'll be eight full length lectures added which are going to tie what's already in the course together 02:02:17.370 --> 02:02:22.490 And um, I'm going to do a bonus lesson on digital ID as well because it's just really hot on people's minds 02:02:23.190 --> 02:02:28.890 And by breaking down that lesson, it's going to just highlight all of the other lessons in natural law as well. So 02:02:29.370 --> 02:02:30.990 that'll be there, um 02:02:30.990 --> 02:02:33.510 By the end of the year, but whenever you join 02:02:33.510 --> 02:02:38.190 Everything that gets added to and improved in the course from when you join you never pay more for that 02:02:38.190 --> 02:02:44.170 It's always just whenever you join you get access to the course and additions and improvements for the lifetime that you're 02:02:44.810 --> 02:02:48.970 Which you have a course for life. So that's the current that's current offering 02:02:48.970 --> 02:02:55.790 And then my socials are tombynett.tv on instagram and telegram and the humble kingdom on youtube and 02:02:56.210 --> 02:02:59.390 I don't know what my facebook is tom by net or the humble kingdom one of the two 02:03:01.770 --> 02:03:05.470 Facebook's not the best. I thought if I had them here, I'd put them up. I'm sorry. I don't 02:03:06.430 --> 02:03:10.910 But uh, it's been fun. I totally enjoyed this conversation. I know it was going to be great 02:03:10.910 --> 02:03:15.990 I totally appreciate it a lot so good. Thank you everyone for chiming in in the uh 02:03:15.990 --> 02:03:20.770 In the chat, I know I've missed comments, but I apologize. I can only do 02:03:22.070 --> 02:03:23.810 Two or five things at one time 02:03:24.870 --> 02:03:27.670 You need somebody else doing your doing your production and that 02:03:28.290 --> 02:03:32.250 Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, that's kind of not not in my wheelhouse at the moment 02:03:32.250 --> 02:03:35.350 But uh, yeah, we didn't even scratch the surface of digital id 02:03:35.350 --> 02:03:38.250 So I do recommend going and getting that course 02:03:38.850 --> 02:03:42.810 Since it's going to be updated. This is part of that, you know, when people learn over time 02:03:42.810 --> 02:03:45.030 That's actually I appreciate that kind of a format 02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:51.250 That you can update it and that people can get access to the changes that that take place 02:03:51.250 --> 02:03:52.330 I often do my work 02:03:52.330 --> 02:03:55.750 I had to I had to close out some older courses because I'm just not 02:03:55.750 --> 02:03:59.890 You know, I can't go and and fix what's there and enough has changed 02:04:00.410 --> 02:04:02.690 That I I need it to be totally updated 02:04:03.290 --> 02:04:06.050 Based on new knowledge and so that's a wonderful 02:04:07.030 --> 02:04:12.190 Um framework to run. Yeah, I just like the idea of doing that because um 02:04:12.810 --> 02:04:14.670 I just went through too much experience of 02:04:15.210 --> 02:04:21.790 Seeing where people went up like it's not that you know, we're always learning and growing but also you can always improve something as well 02:04:21.790 --> 02:04:26.910 So I like the idea of for example, you know, your son does music and that like for example 02:04:26.910 --> 02:04:29.910 I like it with my um my music production 02:04:30.550 --> 02:04:35.610 Software like every you buy it and you buy it once but every time they update it and then add new features 02:04:35.610 --> 02:04:38.490 It's all included because you've already bought it. I really like that model 02:04:38.490 --> 02:04:42.470 So that's why I wanted to do my course the same sort of way where updates and improvement 02:04:43.070 --> 02:04:44.130 Just you never have to 02:04:44.590 --> 02:04:49.310 Rebuy a course or whatever it's just you bought it you invested in it and then that's the that's how it works 02:04:49.310 --> 02:04:50.610 It's just improvements in that 02:04:51.070 --> 02:04:51.730 As it goes 02:04:52.230 --> 02:04:58.030 Yeah, yeah, and then you can polish your stone and uh and do it a long time lifetime with people 02:04:58.030 --> 02:05:03.350 So speaking of my son, I did want to shout out to him that uh, liam martins. I can say his name 02:05:03.350 --> 02:05:07.170 He's an adult now and he's uh does go by psycho on 02:05:07.170 --> 02:05:09.710 On s a i k o 02:05:09.710 --> 02:05:13.590 With some weird things in there, but there is a link below in the show notes 02:05:13.590 --> 02:05:17.950 If you'd like to go and sub to him in uh as that's the way I thank him for providing the music 02:05:17.950 --> 02:05:24.750 He's playing the the two pieces at the intro and the extra. So that's fun for me as a mama. He definitely uh 02:05:25.690 --> 02:05:29.130 superseded me by far as a musician even his dad 02:05:29.130 --> 02:05:33.710 He plays circles around his dad now which and his dad is like a lifetime professional musician 02:05:33.710 --> 02:05:39.830 So it's kind of fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, isn't it great when the they make better on what they were given 02:05:40.250 --> 02:05:46.050 It's it's like a million. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's so cool that you that his music's for doing your intro and outro 02:05:46.050 --> 02:05:47.070 That's awesome. I love that 02:05:47.590 --> 02:05:50.870 Thank you. Thanks now. He's got a full-time job and a full-time girlfriend 02:05:50.870 --> 02:05:55.450 So I I have to make uh very specific plans with them and hold him down 02:05:56.730 --> 02:05:57.590 To see him 02:05:58.290 --> 02:06:02.190 but uh, I wish you well has has married life been um, uh 02:06:03.130 --> 02:06:09.390 Extremely transformative. I end with a very. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny because like, you know 02:06:09.390 --> 02:06:12.670 10 years ago, I would never have thought that I would do that. So it's just it's great 02:06:12.670 --> 02:06:18.130 Well a lot of love to summer. I totally enjoyed meeting her and we just had a few exchanges 02:06:18.130 --> 02:06:20.470 But I could feel her heart was very very big 02:06:21.530 --> 02:06:24.210 Thanks. Appreciate that pass it on. Okay, you're welcome 02:06:24.210 --> 02:06:31.470 already for once so I'm going to set up this uh, little outro by my son psycho liam martins and 02:06:31.970 --> 02:06:37.210 Thank you very much. Tom. It's been an absolutely wonderful interview. I certainly enjoyed it 02:06:37.210 --> 02:06:42.010 Okay, you're very welcome. Bye for now. Oh quickly to let you know tomorrow 02:06:42.010 --> 02:06:45.390 We are coming at 2 30 p.m. Central standard time 02:06:45.390 --> 02:06:52.350 November 6 for mike wilkerson stellium 7 and friday. I have a brand new show called beth of fresh air 02:06:52.910 --> 02:06:57.870 And that was a new beginning for me that I've really enjoyed. I'm going to talk all about conveyance 02:06:57.870 --> 02:07:05.770 This this weekend. I'm not talking about traveling in a car, but how we convey how we communicate what we get across 02:07:06.530 --> 02:07:14.170 What can work what can fail and uh, and what we're actually ultimately at the end of the day trying to convey 02:07:14.170 --> 02:07:17.210 So if you're not on my email list already, I can 02:07:17.790 --> 02:07:23.910 Uh, invite you to do a king hero archetype quiz and in 10 minutes you find out your king hero archetype 02:07:23.910 --> 02:07:28.850 Where you are you were talking about location is very important like to actually find yourself in in the context 02:07:29.690 --> 02:07:33.490 And uh, and then I let people know every time that there's a live stream 02:07:33.490 --> 02:07:34.990 So you'll have all of those details 02:07:35.570 --> 02:07:37.110 And I think that's all for now 02:07:37.110 --> 02:07:43.830 So have a beautiful rest of your day ahead of you now. It's evening. I I've been looking at the full moon the whole entire time 02:07:44.390 --> 02:07:46.310 In my in my window. It's really nice 02:07:46.890 --> 02:07:51.130 Nice. Yeah. Yeah, so nice to hang out with you. Thanks people for joining too 02:07:52.210 --> 02:07:54.910 Likewise, okay. Bye for now. See ya