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Well, guys, we are finally back from our holiday hiatus.
And I hope you all had a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
I know I certainly did.
And man, that break was definitely needed.
But I'm feeling good.
I'm feeling ready to jump back into this, jump back into the weekly podcast
and definitely ready for a conversation today with a returning guest.
Matt, how you feeling, dude?
You feeling amped up like I am and ready for 2026?
Yeah, man, I put my helmet on and my mouthpiece in
and I'm running full force right into it.
Well, we already have so many amazing guests lined up for this year.
We've actually already booked until May.
So, guys, trust me when I say if you haven't taken a moment
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I don't want to spoil who our future guests are,
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So take a moment to make sure that you are subscribed
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But alas, we are back and we are super excited to welcome back a guest.
We've had on the show three times before now
and today will be his fourth appearance.
And there's a reason why we continue to have him back on the show.
His knowledge base is vast.
He's continually involving and innovating within the Libby sphere.
And today we have a few current and relevant topics
that will catch you guys up to speed on how we can continue to go above, below
and basically around the state,
circumventing their levers of control that they're constantly placing around us.
So our guest today is Mr. Aaron Day.
He's an entrepreneur.
He's an investor.
He's an author and an innovator.
He has 25 years of experience fighting the government overreach.
And apparently he's also eyeing a run for the Senate in New Hampshire.
So Aaron, welcome back to the show, my friend.
Happy New Year and thanks for joining us.
Happy New Year.
Thank you both for having me back on.
Yeah, man.
Of course.
Well, I did want to touch on a few topics today.
Time allowing, of course.
There's been a couple of big stories that hit the internet like a tidal wave
over the past few days with Trump's, you know,
Grand Theft Venezuela bombings.
And of course, yesterday there's an ICE agent basically straight up
executed a woman in Minneapolis.
Those topics are definitely dominating the discourse online right now.
Maybe we could get into them if we have some time.
But I also want to talk about Roger Vier, privacy coins like Zano.
And Matt actually specifically requested the medical tourism stuff,
which I definitely want to talk about.
But I do think it might be appropriate to jump into the Senate run
conversation first.
I know that you just announced a soft launch a couple of days ago.
So perhaps we might be the first people you've talked to about this
in an interview.
But tell us everything, man.
Like what motivated you to do this?
What's your goal and doing so?
Can we actually use a political machine to make real change?
And yeah, tell our audience how you envision this path.
We'll fan the flame of liberty.
Sure.
So yeah, this is my first interview.
So this is the first time talking about this live.
I do have a website at day2026.com,
which I encourage people to look at because it is definitely
over the top as far as political websites.
It actually has a chat bot where you can interact with 250 hours
of my podcast.
I make 10 books available for free.
I do an analysis of my competitors' votes with respect
to technocracy, specifically respect to technocracy,
because this is why I'm running is to raise awareness around
technocracy.
And in particular, John E. Sinunu is running as the Republican.
And he is one of the true historical bad actors when it
comes to technocracy and pushing the surveillance state.
He was previously elected to the U.S. Senate,
and while he was there, voted for the Patriot Act,
voted for Real ID, and voted for TARP.
In fact, he flipped his vote and ended up voting for TARP
after first voting against it and then became the head
of the committee afterwards to oversee it,
then became the chair of the WEF financial working group
related to his work on this.
So if you look at this overall threat of technocracy
and digital IDs and surveillance, this guy has been there.
And then he lost a Senate race.
He lost his reelection and then became a K Street lobbyist.
So I thought that running would be an excellent opportunity
to teach people about technocracy through the lens of,
you know, both the Republican and Democrat party.
I'm not going to fix anything.
You know, me being elected isn't going to change anything.
The whole thrust of my campaign is,
I'm actually going to be going around doing workshops
showing people how to exit the financial system,
how to exit the dollar, how to exit the healthcare system.
And, you know, my message is very simply,
no one in Washington, D.C. is going to save us.
Our rights don't come from government or from Washington, D.C.
And then I'm going to just strategically show
that there's no difference between the Republicans
or the Democrats and people need to stop giving their free will
away to politicians.
Yeah, I like that approach. I like that strategy.
It's kind of similar to, you know, what Ron Paul did basically,
kind of used the platform to share the concepts
and ideas of liberty to share the principles
to get people in tune with some of the economic reality
that was, you know, going to hit them square in the face,
which we're obviously experiencing right now.
But yeah, you're right, the site, it looks great to be honest, man.
It might be slightly over the top.
I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't know.
There's memes already that you could download.
I mean, there seems to be a lot of great things
that you've put together with this.
And I'm definitely excited, man.
I'm excited to see where this goes.
I'm excited to see, yeah, what kind of impact you could have.
I mean, this is good.
This is a good thing that you're in here.
This is a good thing that you're fighting to make a splash
in the campaign and hopefully redirect some of the votes
towards your camp.
I mentioned that I wanted to have you back on as well
to talk about Roger Veer.
So maybe we could just jump into that really quickly
and in some what's going on
with some of these other crypto innovators
who have been targeted recently.
Because I think it was December of 2024
and we had you on and we spent a lot of time
talking about Roger's case, the DOJ, the IRS,
and basically the political persecution and lawfare
and obviously now, more than a year later,
Roger eventually cut a deal.
He paid what a lot of people see as an extortion fee
and he's finally walked free.
But his release didn't really seem to slow anything down.
I mean, since then we've seen Roman Storm
drag through years of litigation
and more recently, Kiana Rodriguez,
I think that's how you say his name,
the samurai wallet co-founder.
He just turned himself in last month for prison.
I mean, what do you think is going on here
with the government focusing so heavily on developers
and these infrastructure creators
instead of some of the actual bad actors
and what's motivating these prosecutions?
I mean, the Trump administration
has really tried to position themselves
as this crypto friendly admin
even appointing a crypto czar.
Do you think this was all just kind of like a bigger play
to usher in the stable coins for the technocratic agenda?
Yeah, I think that,
and this is part of the reason that I'm running as well.
I would just, well, I've gone that topic really quickly.
I'll say I've done this before.
So I ran for Senate in 2016
deliberately to cost Kelly Ayotte her seat
and I was successful.
I got 17,000 votes.
She lost by a thousand
and I was in a four-way race as an independent
where there was also a libertarian.
So it's widely understood that this strategy works.
And so I think that part of my frustration
as you know, having me on in the past,
I've spent the last three years
trying to warn people about technocracy,
starting with CBDCs and then expanding out further.
One of the things that has been the most frustrating for me
is I have a lot of people like,
oh man, you must be really excited.
Trump signed an executive order and banning CBDCs
and so congratulations.
I would get a bunch of this stuff
and I'm like,
the problem is that it turns out in this last election
what was actually on the ballot
was technocracy without resistance
or technocracy with resistance
and technocracy without resistance won
and people don't even know it.
The same people that were complaining about
Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and the WEF
voted for Trump and then accepted Real ID
then supported without understanding it
the Genius Act which is a backdoor CBDC
which makes stable coins essentially a CBDC at scale.
And now we have Palantir accelerating with AI surveillance.
So we essentially have, I view that since the election
technocracies accelerated by five years
and again with no resistance.
And so on that front
one of the other things that's been frustrating
is Trump in addition to saying no CBDCs
he's declared that the war on crypto is over.
Well, yeah, if you did a Ponzi scheme
or did a token sale, yeah, you're free
but any of the people that actually built technology
or promoted the use of cryptocurrency
as an end run around central banks
and as a way to promote freedom and privacy around the world
all of those people are still being targeted.
So on the one hand you have the propaganda
and the message that says the war on crypto is over
but the war on the important elements
the freedom producing aspects of crypto is still ongoing
and most people don't know enough to know the difference
because it requires digging into it
and it requires nuance, it goes unchecked.
And so that's essentially what's happened
part of what I've said this before
I've been radicalized kind of three times
the third time I will go through the other two
but the third time I was radicalized
was Ian Freeman's sentencing hearing.
Ian kind of kicked this whole thing off
he's the OG of political persecution
as a successful person promoting cryptocurrency
since 2010.
So if your audience isn't familiar with Ian Freeman
Ian introduced Roger Veer to Bitcoin.
He had free talk live free talk live still exists
it's a nationally syndicated radio show
that he and his business partner Mark Edge
have been working on for a couple of decades
and he first talked about Bitcoin
I believe in October of 2010
that's where Roger heard about it.
And so Ian has been promoting
he promoted Bitcoin.not bombs early in the day
he promoted merchants signing up to accept cryptocurrency
he got involved with cryptocurrency ATMs
and he was targeted by the federal government
five different branches of the federal government
were involved in taking him down
he was clearly a political target
and that's saying
show me the man I'll show you the crime
that's essentially exactly what happened with Ian
they tried to entrap him
I mean Ian went so far as to get an opinion letter
from a lawyer stating that it was legal for him
to sell Bitcoin without a license
based on the understanding of the law at the time
and so Ian right now sits in a federal prison
for eight years
for after all of the charges and everything
the ones that were dropped and so on and so forth
that the judge dismissed
he's in there for conspiracy to commit money laundering
which by the way and I've dealt with this myself
conspiracy is what they charge you with
when you haven't done anything wrong
and they want you
and they basically want to use the state to stop you
from whatever your legal activity is
that's effectively the way I look at conspiracy
so that really
when I saw that Ian was being targeted
I looked at this and I'm like why
why are these people that are at the intersection
of crypto and liberty specifically being targeted
that's where I understood the full breadth
of what was at the time
President Biden's executive order 14067
which formally authorized the U.S.
to pursue a CBDC
but then also authorized the complete
whole of government crackdown on crypto
so so Ian was a test case for this
but he's still sitting in
he's still sitting in prison and then Roger came after that
and then now we have all of these
developers of open source
software that you know like
people like Roman Storm and Keone Rodriguez
the samurai
also William Hill
who's in prison for four years
Rodriguez is in prison for five years
Roman Storm is looking at five years in prison
these are all people
that actually had opinion letters
got information in advance
got clearance in advance stating that what they were doing was legal
did what they did and then were persecuted anyway
and despite this end of war on crypto
they remain in a cage
or about to be in the cage
in the case of Roman Storm
yeah it's wild man
I mean it's amazing
that Roger Ver was finally freed
but like Jason said
I mean we're super happy he's not in a cage
but it was ransom
they extorted him for $50 million
and it kind of highlights
a terrifying reality for all the other people
we were just talking about like Ian Freeman
like you just said he's sitting
in a federal prison for eight years
for basically just helping people sell Bitcoin
and Roman Storm
you know he's facing I think close to a decade
for just writing open source code
and there's another guy that we talk about a lot too
is Dexter Taylor
he's serving ten years right now
and he for a crime
of being a gunsmith in his own home
he wasn't selling any of that
he just went against the state's control
like all these other guys
and they don't like that so they come after him
so none of these guys
have Roger's resources to be able to do
what he was able to do like a king's ransom
and get out of it
so what's the strategy for them
beyond just raising awareness
what infrastructure should we try to be building
for these guys
I mean during notification
or education on that
or legal defense DAOs
or privacy networks to protect our people
when the state comes for them
you know and like to
build something like that
what can we do to prevent another
storm or another Freeman
or another Dexter Taylor
or even another Roger Vair
what can we do to do that
there are several things on that
one thing I want to say about Roger's case
is that you know while
I spent a lot of time raising awareness on Roger's case
while he's free
he can't talk
he essentially has a gag order on him for three years
you know if he says anything
from what I read in the documents
if he does anything wrong beyond a parking ticket
his deal is nullified
and my whole point from the very beginning
is that my belief is that Roger's
thing was never about taxes
Roger's thing was about suppressing him
from action and from speaking
right he was arrested
just a few weeks after publishing
hijacking Bitcoin
and so now his voice is still not
in the public domain
so as governments around the world
and as the US is pursuing a strategic Bitcoin
strategic reserve
and now you have BlackRock and all these other people
and banks starting to start ETFs
and so forth
people don't know the story of hijacking Bitcoin
and they continue to not know
about the story of hijacking Bitcoin
you know other than for a few of us
that talk about it but we don't have the voice
that Roger has
on this issue if it were Roger speaking about it
you know a hundred times
a thousand times more people would know
what's going on would be informed
and so to me that is actually
that's really what they wanted
they wanted his silence they didn't need
the $50 million
they need Roger not talking about
the fact that Bitcoin was
about peer-to-peer digital cash and that we need
peer-to-peer digital cash
that can't be stopped by central banks
and that can't be stopped by government
that remains what
we need and that would have been
the message he would have been putting forward publicly
but he's not
and he can't and that's so
so in some ways
I wish
Roger would receive a part
I think Roger deserves a part
I've said that from the very beginning
not just a fine with respect to the rest of this
I will say
I do think that Angel McCartle
it's controversial
on the voting front
I think Angel was instrumental
in helping Roger
and Ross
and I think that
one thing that I hope happens out of this election
not just with my race
perhaps other races
around the country
remember Ross is free because of political leverage
Trump needed votes
well the Republicans are in a situation right now
where they've already essentially lost the house
and now
the US Senate is in jeopardy
and so again
I would never
we're not going to fix things through voting
people should not put their faith in the system
but the model of using
a almost 50-50 divided
country
and being a third party
and having the potential to use that leverage
to get our political prisoners
pardoned
is I think a worthy strategy
so
I think that that's one thing that's going on
I think that's one thing that we can continue to do
and one part of my campaign is going to be
to say
because I talked to Trump supporters here in New Hampshire
and they don't know any of this
they truly don't understand the nuance
of what's going on with crypto
they don't know who any of these people are
they've never heard of Roman
they've never heard of any of these cases
they don't know what's going on
so continuing to raise awareness
about the situations themselves
and do whatever we can
I mean I know most of these prisoners
like go to freeennow.org
in fact I really recommend
I encourage people to do it
to sign the petition
these petitions helped but actually helped
Ross had over 600,000 signatures
that played a role
so if we can show that there's public support
and public outrage
about the fact that we still have these crypto
prisoners and
these are actually people that
attempted to comply with the law
but what it is that they were trying to do
was to protect our Fourth Amendment rights
to protect our privacy they were writing open source code
so showing our individual
support
in these petitions is one thing that we can do
and then using the political process
also to raise awareness is something
that we can do and certainly
you know I would never
say no to trying to
promote jury nullification
I think we need to do all of the above
but for me we should do everything that
we can to not forget
and to continue to promote these guys
until they're free because if our
you know if these people that stick their neck out
to you know innovate
to save our privacy if we don't defend them
then we don't have a lot of hope
yeah
there's certainly the underdogs in the situation
and I think that's a great reminder Aaron
because as much as
I've also tried to
create some awareness and my own
personal tweets and stuff for
people like Roger people like Ian Freeman
Roman Storm it just doesn't seem
like that's anywhere close to the
mainstream sentiment right now people
are not aware of what's going on
they have no clue who these people are
or their contributions of course
but I think if a proper case
is presented to them and shared
with the full context of details
they could definitely be on board and
there is reason to continue
amplifying their names
their message so let's continue to do that
speaking of which if you guys are
interested in learning more about
Ian Freeman's case I actually did have
his free talk live host co-host
on Mark Edge in
June of this year so go back to our archives
and listen to that interview
and we really get into the details
about his case what Ian's
looking at I think he still has another five years or so
left now I did
have a scene we are on kind of the crypto
topic here I know it's not
maybe one of your most favorite
topics Aaron I think you're probably more
interested in like the freedom tech aspect of this
but I kind of want to get into the crypto carnage
that we've seen over the past couple months here
and you know we watched Bitcoin slide
from an all time high of
you know 126 in October
down to like 84,000
a little over a month later
in like mid-November
and obviously crypto is always volatile
but that kind of drop in such a short window
is just on like a whole another level
and it's not just Bitcoin of course
it's the altcoins it's the small caps
even privacy coins like Xano
drop significantly and
I think people are pointing out a few different factors here
and even maybe like regulatory
noise as possibly being
one of the things causing this
but it still feels like there's something bigger
that's going on under the surface
so I know you're not a huge fan of Bitcoin
understandably
what in your opinion is actually driving
a swing in this dramatic
up and down across the market
here and you know it
why did it even affect
fundamentally strong privacy projects
like Xano?
I always look at it as
why is Bitcoin not
you know closer to zero
if you actually think of it, what is it that's propping up Bitcoin?
so
what's propping up Bitcoin is
Michael Saylor and
the creation of Bitcoin Treasury companies
and people advocating
for the use of the force of the state
either through taxes
or actually through civil
asset forfeiture to reduce the supply
by confiscating it right
so if you're
if you're sitting there hoping that
Bitcoin goes up in price at this point
in time based on the market cap of
Bitcoin then you're basically hoping for
government and institutional action
and so but with
that said a lot the crypto markets are
largely
they're highly manipulated
I mean so essentially
you have a situation where
you know people start getting liquidated
for instance if somebody is
using leverage or whatever and they're
using you know they're 10x long
on Bitcoin and they get wiped out
it's going to impact that they might
have their other holdings as collateral
so this is one of the reasons that you see
general swings that are
kind of industry wide because you have a lot
of a lot of this kind of
of behavior that's going on
for a while you know
some of the privacy projects
were actually outperforming there has been a little bit
of an adjustment you know in
the case of privacy coins
I actually need to dig into a deeper
dive I've been sidetracked with other things
but I saw something yesterday that you use
officially banned privacy coins
and I guess the nuance is
you can hold
a privacy coin but if you
promote a wallet
that you know can
accept and use privacy coins
that that's illegal and I'm still trying to
dig into all the details
on that but historically
Monero has done
well when they've been booted off of exchanges
or faced regulatory
uncertainty I think
that one of the big problems that we have right now
in a large sense
is that the public has a complete lack
of understanding of cryptocurrency
this is why things like the genius act
and the clarity act have been able to
either pass or almost
you know cross the finish line with what they're now calling
a market structure
bill people are saying oh this is crypto
people are adopting crypto and they're not realizing
they're adopting a
institutionally captured
regulated form of it
that many respects is worse than fiat currency
itself because they're just seeing
crypto in the title and not
reading beyond
the headlines so
the other thing is I think you have to look at
just from
crypto currencies compete
against other
forms other currencies like
gold and silver and gold and silver has had
a tremendous run
so I think one explanation might be
that people are
there's a lot of FOMO for gold and
silver and that might be eating a bit
into the crypto world
as well so on the whole I would say
it's a combination of
regulatory
regulatory uncertainty
market dynamics
and competition
with precious metals
and then just the fact that the crypto market
itself is so interconnected
in terms of
when the whole market goes down
just because of a lot of the way people are using
margin and so forth
and the way it's leveraged it tends to have
a cascading effect on other assets
yeah
it does and we're watching that unfold in real time here
and it's pretty crazy
and it's sad that all these people are taking
so much they're finding
like a safe space in bitcoin and they're pouring
a lot of money into that and it's
we had Mark Goodman on
recently and he brought up
you know how they're using
how the deep state I guess CIA is using
bitcoin to kind of
to print or print more money
essentially you know to try to push
the can down the road if you will for our national debt
they're basically
tokenizing debt
and I'd never heard that before
it was very interesting
so if anybody's interested in listening to that
and finding out how the
they're using bitcoin to actually
stave off the dollar collapse
which is inevitable you can go listen to that episode
but I want to pivot here
for a second but keep that same energy
you know like regarding Roger Barron crypto
and Roman Storm and Ian Freeman
you know we can clearly see how the
state weaponizes the financial system
to crust us in
right we have to remember
they don't just want to control your wallet
they want to control like everything about you
like down to your biology
right I actually
this morning I had a laugh when I saw
you made a tweet Aaron
about kind of the announcement
you know everybody was cheering yesterday because
RFK flipped the food pyramid over
and you know
and they're finally admitting that American
kids need more protein
and you
you quoted that
tweet saying American kids need less government
and no public health death cope
which is so true
and that you know that really nails
the conflict I'm feeling here like on one hand
yeah RFK flipping the food
pyramid to denounce seed oils
and sugar and all that and bread
and I mean that's
objectively better than
the poison they've been feeding us for
for 50 years right I mean I think everybody
can agree there but even
if the guidelines are air quotes
better we're still looking at a centralized
authority in DC telling
330 million people how to
live and eat it feels like we're
just cheering for like a benevolent
dictator rather than dismantling
the dictatorship and
so connecting this back to
you know where we were just now crypto like
Bitcoin was exit ramp for
finance and a long time ago
now we have privacy coins like Zano
I want to talk about
the exit ramp for this centralized
authority on our bodies
and it's
OSARA what you've been building
here and is so is that the exit
rent for health like how do we take this
energy and stop asking
the government for for better
rules and instead build
like a parallel system where we don't need
their permission to be healthy in the first
place well I certainly hope it's one
of them but I would never want to say that
I'm building a single solution
to anything I didn't
mean a phrase like that I'm not I'm not
painted that as such
but yeah I think that
you raised there's a big
conflict going on right now
and I you know I've made
this statement it's made a lot of people angry because a lot of
people in my you know network are
part of my heart now associated with
it and and I've said that you can either have my heart
you can have medical freedom you can't
have both
my heart is not
medical freedom means
you make your own decisions about your health
not a different group
of people come in and use the force
of the state to push ideas that
you might agree with and I think that's
just a different way of saying exactly
what you just said but it actually gets worse
than that when you dig into it because
RFK has been pushing
wearables and if
you end up replacing
big pharma with big
tech through government
mandates that's actually not an improvement
from a freedom perspective
at all it's actually completely
it's just a different group
of people and that's and
largely it turns out that's what
RFK has been pushing it turns out he
has a lot of investments and holdings and things
and in a lot of different companies that
people aren't aware of and so it is not
medical freedom and so people
don't want to hear that the
answer to this though is so
why I built OSR and OSR
is one of six projects I've been working on
for the last six months because here's
the approach that I've been taking my view
is and in part based on some of the
information you guys have put out as well I did
an episode on digital IDs
and you guys broke some of the news
on this as you guys know
by 2027 over
half of the globe is going to be under digital
ID and the plan right now is for
real ID to be digital in all 50 states
by 2027 so we
have essentially this year this isn't one
of these oh things are going to get bad
by 2030
like the entire technocratic system is
going to be in place by 2030 unless
we start exiting and
so OSR
the first component of it
is medical tourism and
a lot of people aren't aware
of exactly how big medical
tourism is when I say
medical tourism most people
have the initial reaction of
oh you're talking about cosmetic
procedures you're talking about
you know stuff that's cheaper but
it's using third rate medical
facilities with you know
poorly trained doctors or people that
flunked out of medical school or whatever
this is the common
perception of this the reality of this
is the US healthcare
system is a joke
in terms of both
quality of outcomes and price
I mean I think it's a 5.6
trillion dollars a year now is what we
spend on healthcare we're ranked
38th in outcomes
so we have this
massive gulf in fact
I've argued that Americans are
more propagandized than
than any country on earth at this point
in terms of the difference of where
we think we are versus where we are
in reality medical tourism
has grown
to a 100 billion dollar
a year industry
and
we're not talking about just cosmetic
surgery we're talking about complex
heart bypass surgery we're talking about
cancer treatment we're talking about
types of treatment that you can get
overseas that you can't even get in the
United States because of the
FDA regulatory process
and the outcomes
are better now if
you shop for it right so the idea
is you know we don't have
anything remotely like
a free market in healthcare here
there's no aspect of how insurance works
or how any of it works that is market
based
when you do have a real marketplace
you'll find that things are
about 80% less
expensive overseas with
better outcomes
and we're talking about a situation where
you can get a hip replaced in
Thailand it turns out Thailand is actually
the number one medical tourism
destination in the
world and the reason for this
is that after the I think it was the late
90s there was a big financial
collapse currency crisis in Asia
and Thailand made it a national
priority to become
a medical tourism destination for Asia
and
they've been successful at that and now it's
actually expanded out so you can get
in some cases same day
care where in the United States
it takes on average 27 plus
days just to get an appointment
with a specialist
and when you look at the videos
and the testimonials
you know it's the differences it's like
when you go to some of these destinations
Turkey, Thailand, wherever it happens
to be it's like being in the
Jetsons versus being in the Flintstones
here in the United States
are actually more like kind of our
hospitals are very similar to
prisons which are very similar to public schools
it's all the same aesthetic
but you see these stories
where you know you get
two business class tickets for
you and a partner to go to Thailand
you get your hip replaced
you get all of your medication
you get all of your aftercare
and you're basically a five star resort
and it's 80% less expensive
than the United States the cost of the
entire medical treatment
and recovery is equal
to the cost of just the room
at the Cleveland Clinic and so it's
been fascinating for me so what we
put together at the OSR site
is a whole bunch of information
I'm still refining it it'll be
ready to go
I'll be you know ready to push the plug
and really actively promote it
by the end of the month because I'm still working on some of the
some of the aspects of it
you're gonna be able to compare I have a database
well first of all let me take a step back and say
in the United States
85% of hospitals don't disclose
pricing
and so this is one of these situations
where it's a massive scam
and I have this information on the website
hospitals have what's called a charge master
which is their list of prices
and
for a long time up until 2021
it was illegal for a hospital to show
their prices and then a law was passed
that says you must show your prices
but the caveat is
unless you pay a $300 a day
penalty so it turns out 85%
of hospitals
choose to pay a $300 a day
penalty
rather than disclose their prices and here's the reason why
when you actually look at what the prices are
you'll find things like
they'll charge you $52
for an aspirin that costs 10 cents
we're talking about markups that are 10,000
15,000% and you can't
know in advance
so you go into a hospital for a treatment
and then you get the bill afterwards and you have no ability
to complain
or to
actually contest the pricing
as a result of this
there are 540,000
bankruptcies in the United States every year
two thirds of those are due to
medical bankruptcy
and when you look at medical bankruptcy
it's one person every minute
in the US files for medical bankruptcy
and these are not
the uninsured 75%
of those have health insurance
77%
of those are homeowners
so your insurance because
we're told all of these things
while your insurance is there to protect you
from catastrophic events
it doesn't do that
it objectively doesn't do that
and so
I lay out a lot of educational information
on the site and I've been doing a lot of podcasts
to try to explain to people how insurance works
how the whole thing is a scam
it's not a business
but what we do
is I've created a map
and I have all of the data
you can find out whether your hospital
provides pricing or not
and if it does provide pricing I have the pricing
so you can actually
compare what one of the
15% of hospitals that disclose pricing
charges for a procedure
versus what actual medical tourism
destinations charge for it
so this is
one part of
OASARA but there are two other parts
because I really want to figure out a way to kick start
a revolution here I think people should
do or consider doing three things
one first form a
medical trust
so this bankruptcy situation
is absurd people lose their homes
because they have met with
insurance because they have medical procedures
where they're overcharged by hospitals who don't disclose pricing
it's an absolute
travesty
and so
one of the things that you know
most wealthy people do it it's not
confined it shouldn't be confined to wealthy people
you can spend $50 or $100
on legal zoom
and create a medical trust
and I've actually outlined all the different states
and what the laws are and everything else because I will
say on this just because you live in a state
that has bad laws you can form a medical
trust in another state it's kind of
like how corporations
historically have formed
in Delaware because Delaware had
better more business friendly
laws well the same is true with medical
trust you can go to South Dakota
or
you can go to Alaska or a state that has
much more friendly laws and for $50
or $100 you can protect your assets so that
if this happens if you end up
you know you get a hang nail and you go to the emergency room
and you get a bill for $75,000
you're not going to lose your house
right you've protected your assets so I
like I want to see a big movement of people
that say you know what I'm not going to
I'm not participating in the system
I'm not going to lose all of my assets
because of this absolutely scandalous
system the next thing is cancel insurance
I mean we've canceled our insurance
it doesn't protect you
in fact mostly now not only does it not
protect you in catastrophic cases
I'm a big fan of AI if it's used
in a it's kind of like with crypto
right I like privacy coins I don't like CBDCs
I like AI when
you are in control
of it yourself control of the data
I don't like it when it's
centralized and pushed by
you know governments and other entities
well the way that united healthcare
and large insurers
are using AI is largely
to deny claims
pretty much in an automated fashion
then if you appeal your claim being denied
the AI is involved
in the adjudication of that as well
so there is already a class action
lawsuit against united healthcare
regarding this but
for you maha people out there
an important thing to understand is
the government is the largest purchaser
of healthcare services
47% of all healthcare
spending comes from the federal government
through Medicare, Medicaid and the VA
and at one point during COVID
it actually crossed over the 50%
line
Medicare and Medicaid are going to start implementing
AI starting next year
and so you know
how excited are you about your prospects
for healthcare rationing when
Palantir Health is involved
working directly with the government
this is the direction that we're going
and we're going in a very
in a very fast way
so the point behind it is
you can cancel your insurance
and people are like well this is part of my employment
but then when you talk to people
it turns out they have these high deductible plans anyway
where they end up paying
the average I think family now
pays $24,000 a year
for health insurance
and then you have these high deductible plans
it's a complete ripoff and then when you have
the catastrophic event happen it's not
it's not there so form a medical trust
exit insurance
and then investigate medical tourism
this is the first phase
of what we're
promoting at OSR the next phase is what
I've been building myself
which is I've taken my genome
unfortunately I was stupid
you know early on and actually signed up for
23 in me so I can't
I can't reverse that me too brother
but I downloaded all of the raw data
and I put it into a system
and then I matched that against
okay well what does my actual genome say
not how 23 in me
curates what it says what are my actual
risk factors and then
I've downloaded a whole bunch of other content where I'm like
okay make recommendations I'm using Mike Adams
Health Rangers AI
so it's like okay I have this gene and this risk factor
what are the non big pharma
ways for me to treat this
or you know what do I need to know
about peptides the next
wave of
OSR is to create tools
where you can download your own information
your own labs your own genetic information
host it locally
and interact with that data
on a personalized basis outside of the system
so medical tourism
it provides an alternative to
being bankrupted with
low quality care in the United States
but if you really want to talk about empowering your health
it's about helping people know about themselves
and connect
with personalized information well now
with AI if you're using the right AI
and the right data that's possible
and so the next wave is going to be to
make tools available
that people can use but where the data
is on their machine
and kept private and then the next layer
after that is to
create tools that empower people to connect
with one another because the truth of the matter is our healthcare
system doesn't cure any disease
Pfizer's never cured anybody
of anything the medical system
is not incentivized
or designed to cure people
so for a lot of situations
people don't know what the best thing is to do
and a lot of it is trial and error
yourself and so if you can do that
trial and error yourself and then share your results
with others in a way that protects
your privacy and is outside of the entire
system that
that combination that combination of being
individually empowered with your own data being
able to share and collaborate privately with
others outside of the system and then having medical
tourism
as the backstop if you actually need care
procedures this to me is one way
we can kind of ignite
a healthcare revolution and get people out of the system
and out of these political oh
well you know it's either Medicare
for all or we're going to allow you to buy
insurance across state lines
those are not choices
that's actually an absurd framing
but it's a typical political
type of framing for healthcare
Wow Aaron this sounds like
a great resource that you've given people
a very powerful resource and yeah
maybe even a blueprint or a path forward
man because I mean I think we all
kind of understand how much of a racket
and a scam that modern healthcare has become
you know modern-day healthcare
and you know as much as I I guess I kind
of like the idea of RFK Junior
you know kind of leading the charge
here I think you made an important distinction
between Maha and medical freedom
right and considering
you know things like well the fact
that RFK Junior vowed to ban fluoride
yeah he wants the wearable
on your wrist but they
tapped the seed oil lobbyist
for the USDA position
the Trump officials want to move to reverse
things like forever chemicals
all these things kind of point
to how limited he's going to be
in his duties and that
there is only so many options for what
he could do and especially when it comes to the racket
that's called healthcare you know I mean
healthcare is one of those hot button
topics that are like a lot lightning rod
for controversy and it's really
incredibly hard to talk about reform in this
country around that subject
and I know a lot of people do feel
incredibly trapped in the medical system here
I mean the costs the wait time
the insurance games I mean
you know I guess we shouldn't really be
surprised when insurance industry insiders
helped write Obama's Affordable Care Act
bill what 15 years ago now
and just
really quick guys on this topic we actually
this time last year had a very powerful
conversation with
gentleman named James Maskell he's a
trailblazer in the world of functional
and integrative medicine
it was a really good episode we talked
about a lot of different options to kind of
reimagining healthcare
that was actually the name of the title reimagining healthcare
the cure that they don't want you to know
and definitely we're checking out
especially when we're talking about Palantir
now being involved with almost every
element of this and centralized databases
I mean I just tweeted a couple days ago
that now
325,000 Californians
are actually going to have to replace their real
IDs because
a government DMV
software glitch from 2006
apparently
messed everything up and now all these
real IDs have to be reissued so I mean
if that doesn't speak volumes about what these
centralized databases how incompetent
that the people behind them running them
and how insecure and unreliable
they are I really think that you should probably
you know
take a good look at that and ask if that's
something you want to be a part of and this really does
seem like a off ramp
what you're talking about with Osara here
to actually have some type of
leverage and some type of
ability to move in a better direction
now one of the questions that
popped in my mind as you're
explaining all this Aaron it might be
you know kind of anecdotal here but like
what do you say to the people who claim
that well the healthcare in this
country is it's paramount
to any other country you know we have the best
training we have the best
tech the best standards if you go to a different
country you're simply just not going to get that
type of care I mean is there any
legitimacy to that point I could imagine
people having a knee-jerk reaction is there
anything to that that you want to speak about
they have that reaction
and this I actually did
it I had a whole podcast
that's called America 1.0 is over and this
actually feeds into something else which is a whole
separate conversation but I mentioned I'm
launching six different sites that are kind of all
interconnected and the one
site that I have is called ownnothing.org
and what ownnothing.org
has on it
is a series of diagnostic tools that you
you can take quizzes
the purpose of which is to guide you to realize
you already own nothing and just don't realize it
you don't own your stock portfolio
you don't own your investments we have
we there was a
TV show called newsroom
and had this actor Jeff Daniels and
he had a viral clip it was from
2012 he was asked
you know his character was asked what you know
why are we the greatest nation
in the world and you know
he says we're not delivers this very impassioned
speech and lists off where the United States
lists where it ranks
in all of these areas
we have this post World War 2
mentality that we're the greatest country
in the world in a whole variety of areas
we only lead the world
in two categories defense spending
and incarceration rate
we are ranked 38th in health care
the belief that we are the best
in the world in health care is objectively
false and it's tough
because it's like you said this is going to be a knee
jerk reaction because that's how strong the
propaganda is in this country
I'll give you another one you know we saw
this mentality when I was growing up
in the 80s people would say well you better
finish your plate there are poor
dying kids and dirt poor people
in China that have nothing that are starving
or that can only eat rice
this is like a thing this is like the
meme of the 80s if you're eating
all of your food and
as I've learned
and dug into quite a bit as a result
of my interactions with Mike Adams
China leads the United States in 57
of 64 technology
categories but if you
ask most Americans they think the
US is the leader in innovation
we're not even the leader in innovation
South Korea is more innovative than we are
China is more innovative
this is part of the challenge with this whole
what we're trying to do with these
parallel systems is
people don't have a realistic
self-assessment of
where they actually are
and you can't fix anything until you recognize
there's a problem so ownnothing.org
is all about
yeah you don't own your money you don't own your investments
you don't own your health here's how the government
surveilling you here's how your kids are being surveilled
in schools and then another big
component of this is
how your attention is hijacked
right this is actually probably the most
fundamental of all
and through big tech through algorithms
media school so on and so forth
you know if you can reclaim your
attention sovereignty that's
actually probably an anchor point
for everything else so this ownnothing
site allows you
to diagnose the fact that it wake up to the
fact that wow I actually really don't own this
one of the things that I'm that
drives me nuts I get really passionate
about this is
and this is true I just saw some
poll that came out that 35 or 38
percent of Americans hate their jobs
but we live in a country
where most people don't
like what they do for a living
many of those people have those jobs
because they needed health insurance that
doesn't actually
improve their health and isn't there for
catastrophic conditions
so that they can then retire
with these investment portfolios
in stocks that they don't own
but that are in companies that are building
their digital prison this is actually the
profile of the average
person in America right now this
is that cycle so
trying to figure out how to break it trying to help
raise awareness about the fact that
we were already 90 percent
in the digital prison right it's not
coming it's kind of like people sit here and
laugh oh you know look at what's going
on with Starmer in the UK they're going to
implement digital IDs by 2029 I've
heard people say this that have real ID
they actually have their own
you know they have a real ID
and so this is
so bridging that propaganda
that gulf of
where we really are the assessment of reality
versus perception of reality
is something that needs to be done but
to answer your question yeah there are a
lot of knee-jerk reactions
about this and so this is why
I'm spending time as I'm developing
the site and finishing the set I'm like
how can we get a campaign I'm writing like a
theme song around how do we
get people excited about
forming medical trust and canceling insurance
because you only enroll insurance once a year
right in November so it's like how can we
get people to form medical trust protect their
assets cancel insurance and then just tell
these guys you know we're out
because it wouldn't take a lot of people
to do this to completely
and totally transform the healthcare
landscape in this country
well let's hope the right ones are doing it
like you are man
you just mentioned theme song this is just a
really quick question maybe you don't have to go into depth with it
but you post all these songs
that are clearly AI but they're really good
I'm wondering
are you the one making all these
they're great lyrics
they're really cool and captivating
videos that go along with them
who's making all that
I'm making these I spent
a lot of time on this so I started
I created a but first AI
song was they want to give them 109
it was a song about Roger
and it was a it's horrible if you going
back and looking at it but I started
playing with these tools and so I have a whole
bunch like computer setup is
absurd but I write all the
songs and then I've developed a whole bunch of processes
for creating
music videos that I refine every time
and it's gotten to the point now where you know I think
I have 30 or 40 songs but each of the
websites has it's going to have it's like its own
anthem and I go through I spend a lot
of time working on those songs because
it's a great way to
actually think through the clarity of your
message and
and the fact that you can you AI there was
recently a country music song that was
at the top of the charts
I think that you know
actually I will tell you
90% of the time now I'm listening to my own AI
generated music
I love it I was like who is this artist
I have to go see who this is and I'm like
there is no such artist this is just
Aaron making these crazy songs that are
really good it was like an
Americana song that you had shared
it's probably the own nothing
there's the own nothing theme song
and then there's that by campaign
theme song fan the flame
I really like that song as well some are
some are better than others but I you know I
but I actually do spend a lot of time
I you know I'm gonna I'm doing
a podcast tonight Mike Adams on as
an interview but I'm gonna show some of
the tools that I've created for doing this
because it's you know I've had people reach
out like well can I play this live so I
actually thought about what would be like to
have a you know a concert where you get
live artists to play your AI
generated songs
that's that may
that will happen that will happen sooner
rather than later so yeah I try to
create one new song why publish
one new song per week I create
thousands and discard a lot of them but
I enjoy the process
and I don't have enough musical ability
certainly I mean when you think about I have
these range of songs that are completely different genres
completely different artists
it's it's amazing what you can do
with the with the technology
Oh certainly man and as you were talking
about you know people are so blind and
at the cognitive dissonance out there
today is palpable and maybe this music
can help poke through that
you know through their their blinders and
maybe open them up a little bit to the
reality of what we're facing here instead of
just living in this ridiculous left right
paradigm I mean
the song might work better than listening to me for
four hours right
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so yeah
man we are we're hitting the end of the
podcast here we have enough time
for our white pill question
we do usually do a white pill at the
end of this at the end of the podcast as everybody
listening knows but honestly
this you know this entire episode has kind of
been one it's incredible to see
someone with their hand in so many
fires dude like all burning for the same
cause you did the you know
the 40 day fast for roger
there which was insane
you're out there constantly
exposing the cbdc grids
you know control grid you're building
oasara and i apologize i said it incorrectly
earlier but oasara
to give you know a potential
escape patch for medical freedom and
and you're running for
senate dude
to go right into the belly of the beast
like this is it's amazing man
but it highlights how big the problem
is right we have like
this is the only way to fight it we're
facing a three headed monster right now we have
like this deep cultural division
total government dependency
and like just a rig monetary system
and so you know
i kind of when we do like a white pill
episode i tend to ask the
the guest if they they had a magic wand
but i don't think that that's the right
approach here so like i want to ask you
like if you had our comedies
lever if you could place
a lever in just one spot to
shift the world away from this
this tyranny and and back
toward liberty where do you put it
like what is the one root cause
that we need to strike
that makes all these other forms
of slavery collapse what's most important
to you we've given up
our free will to
institutions to third parties to
politicians and to white knights we need to
reclaim our sovereignty
we need to recognize that our rights don't come
from government or from other institutions
or other individuals that that
is the spark for all of it because until
that happens you know people aren't
unless you understand that you're not going
to be willing to stop using the dollar
exit the health care system so that's
that's really probably the number one
leverage point is that people people need
to have more self ownership
and realize that
they have free will and that they
need to exercise it because if you don't
exercise it it will be exercised
for you and increasingly that's going to be
by a
technocratic AI surveillance state
Jesus yeah
there you have it folks
we need to exercise our free will
and apply critical thought to every
scenario and not just
go with what your team is
telling you to go with like that's the only way
out of this Aaron thank you so much
for coming on today man is great having you
on a fourth time like Jason said at the beginning
of podcast you are now a veteran of the show
top 5% of all guests
before we before we sign off here
man can you tell people where they can
find and support your work
sure you can find me at daylightfreedom.org
and daylightfreedom.org
is kind of the portal to all the other different
things that that we're working on whether
it's oasara or the air and day show
podcast or technocracy atlas which we
didn't talk about which is a crowd
source site for exploring
information about technocracy have all the
Epstein files and images on there and
everything else and own nothing.org
you can get to all of that through
daylightfreedom.org and then you can find me
on x for now at Aaron our day
hell yeah we'll have
the links down at the bottom of the
podcast description for everybody listening
right now Aaron thank you man it was
great dude appreciate what you do
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