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What's up friends? Welcome to the What Is Truth podcast. I'm joined by

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a friend of the Apollo Detectives. He's Dr. Raza Bihari. We've done several shows.

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If you enjoy this content and if you enjoy this conversation, I encourage you to go back

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to the back catalog and check out all our conversations. Our last show we did was only

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a few weeks ago and you will only find that conversation on Rumble and Odyssey.

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As it was a bit too spicy, it was a was Hitler, a Nazi or a Patsy is the title of that show.

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For anyone that may have missed it and is interested, definitely go check it out on Rumble and Odyssey.

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Today we're going to be doing Smoking Guns Part 2. In the description I put Smoking Guns Part 1.

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If you missed it, fully edited by Mr. Bob Williams.

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And this should be a banger. How are you, Dr. Raza?

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Great. Thanks for having me again. It's been a long time since our first Smoking Guns show.

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Yeah. That was the first show you and I did together. That was the very first time we met.

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And for those interested, the original show was one, episode number 145. It was about

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five hours long and it is my second most downloaded show of all time.

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And yeah, that was I want to say a couple of years ago at this point in time. But

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since then we've done many shows and every time I get you on, you are a crowd

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favorite, a crowd pleaser, if you will.

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Great. So is there any, should we just jump into it? I don't have so much.

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So much time, so little to do.

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Yeah, we can get right into it. So what we are going to be doing, well, maybe you can

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give us a description of what you plan on doing tonight with Smoking Guns Part 2.

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Yeah, so we just totally annihilated MC Tune just a few days ago. And before I jump into

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presenting Smoking Guns, I want to actually show how I actually defeated this MC Tune.

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Because MC Tune basically only has two arguments and he keeps recycling these same

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arguments again and again. So let me explain again clearly what he's presenting and how it's

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a false argument. So let me share screen there.

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Wait a minute. It's not. Sorry. Okay. Sorry.

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Let me know when you can see that.

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Yeah, I got it here. All right. What are we looking at?

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So this is the paper which all the NASA apologists used to say the moon landings were real.

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And this is a scientific article published, I think it's by University in Colorado.

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And they have all the math which explains the parabolic curve which the dust was flying

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through the air in the Apollo missions or it's flying through a vacuum supposedly.

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So if you just look at the number I have outlined here, you can see all the math

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in the article. And then it says here I outline. It's fixed by the frame rate to be

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one over 29.97 seconds. In other words, 29.97 seconds, 29.97 frames per second.

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So this is how they calculate the dust, the parabolic curve of the desert. This proves

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that it was in a vacuum. And if you can follow my, Weezy, you can see my mouse here

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on the picture. Yes, sir. All right. So you can see the dust flying off in the back of the rover,

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right? Yep. In the Grand Prix. Yeah. So they drew this, it's imaginary blue dotted line here.

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And they said the dust is therefore following this parabolic arc which therefore proves this

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vacuum and cannot be a host. So you have to take the word for it that the dust is actually

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following this arc. But if you actually look here at the lower picture, I just do a red line here,

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which shows the actual arc which the dust is taking. So first of all, first of all, they want

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you to believe that the dust is somehow following this magic blue line that they drew on the

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picture. And then the second point they want you to believe is that the frame rate is 29.97

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frames per second. Okay. So this, and they have all their math based on the assumption of

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the frame rate, we can calculate the gravity to be one sixth that of earth. And this therefore

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is on the moon because the frame rate, the rate at which the dirt falls in the video

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with the frame rate at 29.97 frames per second shows the exact gravitational pull of the

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moon. This is just based on their, this is just a hearsay. We're telling you that this is the

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frame rate and we're telling you the number you need to use to base your math on. Okay.

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So this is just totally wrong math. It's math based on an assumption. So that's his point

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number one. Okay. His point number one is that this proves it was on the moon because the math

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works out. But if that whole math is based on a given frame rate. So then he's accusing me

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of trust me bro. He's the one presenting fills with a trust me bro frame rate and then accusing

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me of being the one saying the the thing with him he has a

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a debate style. And there were a couple of times I felt you could have came in. I thought

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someone with MC tune, you can't be respectful. You can't be nice. You have to match his

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assholeness. And so when I watched it a couple of times if I'm being honest, Dr. Oz, I'm like,

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why don't you go after him harder? You have to you because otherwise you provided substance.

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But his theatrics gave it the appearance that he whooped you if we're being honest.

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Even though you provided substance and he didn't it's because of how he

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he maneuvers himself. So when you deal with someone, this is just my, I mean, the way I viewed it

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anyways, you have to match his assholeness. I felt if I debated MC tune, I would match his

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assholeness and take it even further and I would make him rage quit. He would try.

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You know, he met at one point he also mentioned how the radiation belts

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were not that important. They weren't big of a deal. That was a key moment. Dr. Raza, where you

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should have put your foot on his neck and you didn't you let it slide. So I felt I felt there

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could have been more if I'm being honest, you know, that's just my critique of it.

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You just have to match if he's going to continue to call you names and use ad hominem

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attacks, you have to give him back his ad hominem attacks. Being respectful doesn't

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work with that kind of an asshole of a debater such as MC tune. That's just my little bit anyways, but

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there were moments man, there were moments that you could have seized upon him

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easily and they I felt they were missed opportunities.

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Thanks. Yeah, the way I kind of look at it is

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my time, my airtime on their show is extremely limited, you know, they gave me 10 minutes to

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present my smoking gun. And then fortunately, they gave me 10 more minutes to present second

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smoking gun. So, you know, they, you know, my goal is to maybe allow my goal is that they

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might allow me back on their show again in the future, you know, so I'm kind of just being as

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nice as I can to them, you know, and sitting there for an hour, sitting listening to them

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insult me for an hour, where I get 20 minutes to present.

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And the thing is I've listened to modern day debates. I listened to them quite a bit.

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That's how they do their format. So you I think next time in 10 minutes,

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if you have to rehearse it or practice it, get your best points, condense them and just hit them.

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Boom. Here we go. Here we go. I think spending too much time on those particular points right off

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the bat is not necessary because later on when you discuss those points, that's when you can get

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into the smaller details. You see what I'm saying? So you kind of got to hit them. Here's

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boom, smoking gun number one, number two, number three, boom, drop them all.

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And then later on, as you discuss them, then you break them down.

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That's how they do their show. I listen to them when they talk about religious topics,

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political topics. That's how they do it every time. The first person gives

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10 minute spiel, boom, on to the next person. And then you hit it off.

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I think they were getting a little frustrated because you were hitting your topic one

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point at a one point. For right now, this show, this is what we're going to do tonight.

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For this particular show, that works out perfect. But for a debate that doesn't work too

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well, it's not too conducive is what I'm trying to say, I guess. It's a different style.

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Cool. Thanks. Thanks again for that. So let me let me jump into his second point. Okay.

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Okay. Let me let me share screen again.

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It doesn't work somehow. First time.

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Yeah, you just go down to the middle.

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Yeah, let me know when you can see that. I got it. Okay, what are we looking at on the screen right

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now? So this is the official document, which was released by NASA at the time of the

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Apollo missions. And it says here that basically what it's saying is if you're the public and you

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want to tune into the Apollo mission, here's the frequencies you need to use to tune in.

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And so you see a series of frequencies, a series of numbers, a megahertz. And on the right

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is the downlink of the left is uplink. So basically if there's, if the link, if it has both the downlink

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and uplink, that's kind of like a decoded line, you won't be able to tap into it. But two of the

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lines are non-decoded, these two, which don't have the uplink, right? So this two were available

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to the public. So this two are the command module FM and SIVB FM. And what NASA is telling us is the

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command module was 2272.5. SIVB was 2277.5. That's what they told the public. But in reality,

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they had switched these two numbers. Okay. So what the public, when they were,

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when they thought they were turning into 2272, they were actually tuning into the SIVB. So in that

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sense, they, the public would have had no idea what they were actually tuning into. So the SIVB

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was the unmanned craft, which they sent to go orbit the moon. And the command module was in

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low earth orbit all the time. So the public would have tuned in to 2272, thinking that that was the

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command module, when actually it was just the SIVB the whole time, command module stayed in low

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earth orbit the entire time. So again, it's just trust me, bro, this is the link you should

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turn into.

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Beautiful. So yeah, let's let's get into detail on on your smoking guns. In smoking guns part one,

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we went over 12 images and video footage directly from NASA's own website. So it's not

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like we made these images up. Also footage from their sites showing

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the hoax in the moon landings. And so you had been working on several other smoking guns. And

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this is what we're doing tonight. Going into detail. You know, last when was it? Yesterday

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or the day before I was trying to have my own debate with AI chat GBT on on the moon landings.

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And it was fun. It was a good little fun exercise because it kept trying to tell me,

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yeah, I can see why you don't believe it because the pictures look fake. But here's why it was

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possible. And I kept debating it debating it. I finally got AI to concede on the point that,

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you know, as far as a reason as to why they would fake it. And it kind of correlates with

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the show I did last week with with Ashley. And I think Ashley was in the live chat earlier.

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We did a show on Vietnam. Prior to doing the show on Vietnam.

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I had heard of Vietnam. Obviously you hear some things about Vietnam. I didn't realize

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how fucked up Vietnam was, you know, how it was started over a completely made up event

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in the Gulf of Tonkin kind of relates to the moon landings made up events man making it. So

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the Gulf of Tonkin was a completely fabricated episode in which the military said they were

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attacked by Vietnam. And that's what kicked off the war down there. What we were doing in

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Vietnam, rooting out communism, complete and utter horse manure. I'm bringing this up because

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that was one of the things that a AI had conceded that that was a good point. Yeah,

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there was a lot of shenanigans going on. Also presidential assassinations, JFK, RFK, MLK,

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Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, the list goes on and on and on. So

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if you fake the moon landings that gave the public a distraction

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from the horrors and atrocities that were going on in Vietnam at this moment in time

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from the political assassinations that I just mentioned.

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A lot of a lot of civil unrest was happening. People were getting uneasy with the government.

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So how about we feed them this fairy tale that man is up in the moon playing golf,

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jumping around, skipping and hollering. Yay, look, everyone, everything is good. Everything

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is happy. Let's forget about these political assassinations that are taking place at home.

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Let's forget about the bullshit that we are doing in Vietnam. Yay, look, everyone, we're

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in the moon and we made it on our first tries with 1960s era's technology.

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And so that right there, Mr. M C tune, if you are listening by chance,

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how do you explain that one? Handle that little little tidbit.

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But these guys will claim that it is our job to prove the extraordinary claim made by NASA,

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not by us that man landed on the moon at that point in time. So we're going to go through some of

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the flimsy evidence that NASA has provided and break it down. What tidbit do you want to go

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through first, Dr. Raza? Yeah, let me recap a couple of the ones which I had done.

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Well, let's just start with this short one. This is something I didn't get to play before,

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but let's just start here. Okay. The one that has the audio. Just let me give me one second.

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Is it ready? Ready.

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Let me make sure I got my volume up. All right.

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What's going on, Joe? I need a good lie. Oh, okay. How about the whole man walking on

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the moon thing? You can see the strings, people.

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So we are looking at an image where you could see the shiny strings on one of the astronauts.

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So he's doing a spin near the flags, and you can see the antenna from his

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backpack is separate from the string. And the string is going at an angle.

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All right. Let me play that again. Okay. I'll try to pause it just before the string comes.

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Okay. Yeah. Can you see it now, Weezy? Yeah, I can see it. So on the right is the antenna,

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which is sticking straight up. And on the left is the string, which is coming off the corner

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of the backpack at an angle. Now, this is, most of the apologists would say that this is like just

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a glitch in the, in the, you know, the camera film, you know, but not film, it's not a film

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camera, but just in the digital transmission, you know, there could be cosmic rays, which

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if you're, and it causes glitches. But if it was a glitch, then it would be completely vertical.

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It would be either vertical or completely horizontal. Glitches cannot occur at an angle like that.

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Okay. So the fact that this, that they happen to catch this, you can see the strings, people.

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The fact that it's, it's coming off at an angle like that. Let me go to the next,

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let me go back at the frame or so you can see.

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Yeah, you can see it. Can you see it? Yeah, I could see it. Yeah. So, so this is can't be,

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it can't be a camera glitch. This is definitely the sun or the studio lighting has hit this,

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the string from his backpack in such a way that it actually caught the glare from the string.

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All right. So that was just a, you know, I don't know, I don't know if this friends show,

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I mean, you know, Hollywood shows, they, I don't know if they would be blowing the whistle

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or not, but they certainly wouldn't be able to say a line like that without getting permission

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from somebody. What do you think, Weezy? Do you agree with me? The show friends, would they have to

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get permission from somebody to put a line like that in one of their episodes? Absolutely. Or,

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I mean, it could have been a way to make a joke out of it, you know, like mock people that question

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the moon landings. Sometimes people will make jokes like that. So it could have definitely

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been that way. Yeah, especially since, you know, it was Thebes was the one who said it,

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she supposedly was dumb. Yeah, an airhead. So you see what I'm saying? So it could have been

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ingest, but anyway, anyway, yeah, they've been doing that for a long time. They've been putting

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out it comes even back to George Carlin. They paid George Carlin to come on that

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book reading TV show to make fun of people who question the moon landings, right?

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One of my favorite songs that I didn't know existed up until

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I want to say a year ago, maybe even recent is a song by a REM man on the moon.

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I was going to work and I went to the gasoline station and get me a coffee in the morning.

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And I heard it on the on the radio like, whoa, they're man on the moon, they're talking about

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the moon landings being fake. This is an awesome jam. And I thought it was like a new song on the radio.

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And then I, and no, I'm not an REM fan. So I had no idea. So I googled it. And then I found

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out it was it was an older song from REM from for many years ago. And I went down that rabbit

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hole trying to figure out what REM meant by that jam. And when you do research,

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all you get is the that the song is about this comedian that that passed away.

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It has nothing to do about the moonlight. Like, what are you talking about? The damn song is

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called man on the moon. And it's talking about faking the moon landings. But all you can dig

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out on the information is that, oh, yeah, it's about a comedian. It's it's it's humor.

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Oh, shit. It was a it was definitely a dig on the moon landings. But maybe REM was told

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you can't go mainstream questioning the moon landing. So you got to change.

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You got to change the meaning of the song. That's my speculation of it anyways.

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Because it was interesting how little information on it I could find.

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Yeah, and also Jim Carrey made made several things because he was, you know, that the comedian who

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died. He was Jim Carrey's hero sort of. So Jim Carrey also made that movie about.

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I can't remember that comedians name someone in the live chat. Who's the comedian that

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man on the moon is talking about? And I, man, I can't remember it off the top of my head.

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But yeah. Anyway, so let me jump into the next smoking gun, something which I didn't get to present

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the Andy Kaufman. Sorry. Andy Kaufman. Thank you, Pacquie man.

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All right, go ahead. What was the smoking gun? All right.

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Let me share screen again. Okay, let me know when you see it.

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It's up. All right. Can you read that? Can you actually see the bottom of it?

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It says the words on it. Yeah, figure two surveyor three television camera as it was

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unbagged and bagged at the LRL after it's returned from the moon. Right.

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So so this this is this is came from the NASA document that they're saying this is the camera.

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Okay, so on Apollo 12, the astronauts supposedly visited the survey or three craft,

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and then he had a pair of wire cutters or box cutters, cable cutters. He had a pair of super

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sharp cable cutters and he could snap the camera off of the survey or three craft

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and bring it back to earth. And then they on the moon, they supposedly put it in a bag

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and then they brought it back to earth. And this is the only remaining photo of the camera.

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After it was taken out of the bag as soon as getting back to earth.

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So and it's just such a crummy photo. Look at how how pixelated it is. Okay,

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but this is the this is the only photo you could think, you know, that

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bringing a television camera back from the moon, you know, you would have a good quality picture

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of it before you actually destroyed the camera. But they don't all they only have one actual

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image of the camera after it was immediately taken out of the bag. And it's just this pixelated

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garbage. But this little bit of information comes a lot comes off like a lot of trust me, bro.

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This was the TV camera that we had. Trust me. Right. And but regardless of what they say,

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this is we can we can catch them because if we actually compare it to so on the left is the

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image from Apollo 12. Okay. And from that image, this is supposedly the camera just before he

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took the wire cutters and clipped the camera off. Okay. And if you look here where this cable

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is connected to the top of the camera, there's like aluminum foil wrapped around it. You can see

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that we see. Yeah, I can see that. Okay, now look at the look at the aluminum foil, it comes it

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starts here. And then it goes over up here at the top is a standoff. And so it starts from the

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bottom of the standoff. And then it then it comes down to about right here. But if you

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look at the other image, okay, this is the official one, it's totally different. The aluminum foil is

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not all the way up to this is the standoff here, the orange, the red one. And you can see the

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aluminum foil doesn't start until here. What you can see I blew the through the blue arrow.

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Okay, can you see that we see that the aluminum foil is different. You see, let's look back

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here. On the Apollo 12 image, the aluminum foil stops starts here at the standoff goes to here

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and then it stops. Whereas if you come back here, if there is no aluminum foil up here,

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and then it starts below and then it goes much further down. So we can we already busted them

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the camera, which they claim to be right out of the bag is a different camera that they

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took of it just before they put it into the bag.

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I see what you're saying. Yeah. So on the picture that looks like a real object with,

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you know, the foiling goes from the top of the camera upwards. And on the diagram on the

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picture, the thicker part goes below the head part. Right, right. You can see from you can see from

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this line below the okay so this is the lens you can see my mouse right the mouse is moving on the

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lens. So just below the lens is this line where the camera can rotate. Yes. So come back to

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the other picture. On the other picture, here's the lens. Here's the line below the lens.

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And look how far down the aluminum foil goes way below that line. Yes. And over here on the

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other image, it stops right at the line right at the line. Yeah, it's totally different. It's a

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totally different aluminum foil wrap. And this aluminum foil wrap goes all the way up to the

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see that what happened is there's more to this story. They tried to do a damage control.

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So they published this image. And I don't know where this image came from. But on this image,

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they had they had tried to match it. They had they had manipulated the aluminum foil so that

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this one manipulate is matching that one. These two they're matching. But this is a different

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image. So they released this image as a damage control. Because if you go back to the

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original image, this is the one which came from the bag. And that one has a different different

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aluminum foil wrapping. I see. Yeah. Do you have any thoughts? So if there's a movie called

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Operation Avalanche. And you can find it on YouTube and you can watch it for free with

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the ads. It sucks you have to watch the ads, but you get a free movie on YouTube. So if anyone's

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interested, Operation Avalanche, it's a movie based on what would be required to fake the

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moon landing. So it's a rather interesting thing. Have you seen that Dr. Rosa that movie?

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Yeah, I don't really recommend that movie because it's part of a Psyop. They have many different

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Psyops regarding the moon landings. And one of the Psyops they created was, well, we went and we

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orbited the moon, but we weren't able to actually land. That's the theme that they're

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pushing in that movie, which is a total Psyop that never happened. They could not orbit the moon

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at all. So it's like a flat earth thing. They created flat earth in order to discredit

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people who really analyzed the moon landings. And in the same way they created that movie

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in order to confuse people about the theory about whether they could actually orbit or

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not or whether they could only land. That's what that newer movie also with Channing Tatum

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proposes as well. Take me to the moon that they made it allegedly, but they had to fake the

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footage because they got destroyed or whatever. Yeah, I definitely agree. It's just more

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nonsense. And even people like Joe Rogan kind of pushed that these days. He went from

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questioning all the moon landings to now, yeah, you know, maybe they did make it,

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but they had to fake some of the footage and, you know, it's an excuse and I agree. It's definitely

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a Psyop. Cool. Can I share screen again? Yeah, any time. All right.

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Okay. So this is the

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bounce.

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Let me know when you can see that. It's on the screen. Yeah, so this is the

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Surveyor 3 bounce landing sequence.

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Supposedly the Surveyor 3 came in and it kind of bounced one, two, three.

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And it says the first bounce was 15 to 22 meters and the second bounce was 11 to 14 meters.

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And then it has some smaller bounces after that. And they can calculate that. I have

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no reason to doubt that actually. I mean they can calculate based on the telemetry data

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of where it actually hit and where it finally came to resting place.

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But the thing is this, if you look at the actual footprints,

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this footprint supposedly taken by Apollo 12, if you look at that where it bounced,

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it would first bounce here in the middle and then the second bounce came sort of on top of that,

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but at a flat angle. And then it finally came to a resting place number three on the left.

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So that's not possible according to any laws of physics because if a ship were moving at a slight

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momentum in one direction, it's going to keep moving in that direction. It's not going to hop

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backwards. And not only that, so this footprint number three being there behind it is totally wrong.

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And this other footprint here, which is at an angle, this would be practically impossible

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for a footprint at this angle to hit the ground at this angle. This is like,

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they just use a stage prop to put this initial footprint in and they put it in at the wrong

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angle and then they stepped on top of it with the foot pad again to create this one.

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And then they put the final resting place here. So this is totally nonsense, this landing

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sequence, first footprint, second footprint, third footprint. This is total nonsense.

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Any thoughts on that, Weezy?

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Where is this image from, in case anyone wants to look at it?

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This is the Apollo 12. Just before, just when the two astronauts came walking up to the

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Surveyor 3 craft, they had taken a series of photos as they're getting closer to the

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Surveyor 3. And when they finally get up to it, they were close enough to see these footprints.

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And he took two images of the footprints that look like that. And then he stuck his boot in there

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and he messed up the footprints because maybe he thought they were kind of wrong himself.

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So he put his boot there and moved dirt into the Surveyor 3 footprints to kind of hide the

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fact that this would have been impossible for this leg to make that angle of an impression.

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Yeah, that leg, that limb had apparently a whole, I don't know, a foot. It's weird.

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Yeah, it makes no sense. It doesn't look like anything that design would do at all.

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So let me present another one, which I haven't presented before,

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since we're on the trend of presenting new smoking guns.

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Give me a second to share screen, okay?

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Yeah, no problem. Just a reminder, everyone, if you missed Smoking Guns Part 1,

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it is in the link of this description wherever you may be listening to this.

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The wonderful Bob Williams edited it and shortened it to one hour because the original

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show was episode number 145 and that was like five hours. So if you want the condensed version

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with all the smoking guns, check the link at the bottom of the description here.

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And you can watch the entire presentation.

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I'm sharing the screen.

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Up on the screen.

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Yeah, so this is supposedly taken on the moon and they called this the sunstroke picture because

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this was supposedly, I think the first image that had been taken when the camera supposedly

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had a fresh roll of film put in. And so supposedly when you put in a fresh roll of film,

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the first few images might be sun struck. Okay, so, but what happened was he was taking a photo of

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this astronaut jumping into the rover, right? So there's three images. Image number one,

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image number two, and image number three. So these three images are all in a row

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and supposedly like the camera, he could snap these three images really quickly within one jump.

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So you can see that the astronaut is in the air here and the astronaut's still kind of in the

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air here. And the astronaut lands in the rover here. So this would of course been impossible

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with the camera to snap three images in one jump, right? So then the apologist will say,

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well, there was two jumps because you can see in his right hand, he's holding this little

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scooper thing. And then in the next image, he's got the scooper thing in his left hand.

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So that couldn't have been the same jump. He had to have jumped twice, right? So that would be

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so that would be the official story is that these are two different jumps.

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But now I'm going to play you the audio clip. And the audio clip shows that there was only

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one jump. And he says, I got three of them that time. It means he snapped three images

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during one jump. There's not enough time elapsed for two different jumps to take place.

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So let me try to play that audio audio clip. Give me a second to share screen again.

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So here's this.

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Let me know on the screen. Yep. So hopefully you can hear this. If you don't,

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if you don't hear anything, let me know. Okay, we got that. We'd like to have you climb on.

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We'd like to have you climb on. Okay. Get ready to jump on the rover. Let's

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jump on the rover because we got to drive to the next. Now we lose a video at this point.

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Yeah. So I don't think there is any subfloor in here.

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So they're just doing some... It's hard to be sure, but no rock I picked up looks like subfloor.

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Get on there one time. Okay. Let me pause it. He said, get on there one time, which means

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jump on the rover. And he's going to snap pictures. He says, get on there one time to

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make the jump and I'll snap pictures while you jump. And then you have to be careful

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how much time relapses from this point. So I'm playing audio again.

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Seven, eight. Ready? Ready? Ready. Boom. You could hear, I'm pausing it again. Okay. He says,

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ready? And then you hear, boom. That may be the sound of his jump. Okay. Now let's keep

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listening. I got three of them that time. I got three of them that time.

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He's talking about the images. I got three photos at that, during that one jump. Okay.

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That ruzzle with the video not working and it's all blacked out. That sounds like a trust me,

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bro. I got three of them that time. Trust me, bro. Yeah. And so, and so I think what happened was

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they, they had made the video and audio recordings at a previous date

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and then later they tried to make the Hasselblad images match the previous recordings.

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And so when they had made this previous recording, he's talking about, oh, I got three images that

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time. So then they had to come back to the Hasselblad images and they had to get three

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images in a row for their Hasselblad cameras. All right. So let me, let me share screen one

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more time of the Hasselblad images because it's very clear that from the recording, you can hear

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that there was one jump. He's like, ready? He said, get on there one time and then ready,

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I'm going to jump and then he jumps and then I got three of that time and only a few seconds

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it laps between when he says ready jump and when he says I got three of them that time.

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There's not enough time for two different jumps but the Hasselblad images are clearly showing,

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it has to be two jumps. Let me share screen again. On the screen. Right. So there's,

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so if you come back to the Hasselblad image rolls, this is the first image on the roll

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and it's like one, two, three. Within just a few seconds he took three images, right?

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The audio clearly states I got three of them that time, three images, one, two, three.

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One, two, three. It cannot be, there was not enough time for two jumps but the images themselves

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show that there's two jumps, right? Is that the scooper thing is in different hands.

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Different hands, yeah. Yeah, good catch. Damn good catch. I want to address this

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comment real quick. Let's see. Norlman says I wish someone would do a thorough analysis of the

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images that were photoshopped in 2009. Comparing the originals with the later versions of the

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images, how NASA covered up the hoax. Norlman, Dr. Raza and I did do that in Smoking Guns Part 1,

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bro. If you look at the description of this video, I put the link to Smoking Guns Part 1.

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We did that there so you may have missed it but there you go. So it has already been done.

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But let me comment on that point. Actually what needs to be done is we need to get a court

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approved photoshopped forensics analysis software. So in a court of law, they have this forensic

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analysis software in case you want to prove that somebody is stealing your image. So in a court of

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law they have this forensic analysis to see whether one image is a copy of the other. That

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forensic analysis software, it's quite expensive to get a court approved forensic analysis

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software but if we had that, we could compare the original images to the modern day photoshop

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images and we could prove in a court of law that they actually photoshopped those images.

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But I don't have that forensic software and all the free forensic software

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you can find on the internet is like garbage. I've been trying to use it, it doesn't work.

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But if we had a real forensic software, the kind that cost a lot of money,

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then we could prove even in the court of law that they photoshopped the images.

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Tenfold.

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All right. Okay, give me a second to find out the next point. I'll give you two. How's that?

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Hope everyone's enjoying this. Just a reminder that after this show at 10 pm eastern,

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So if you listen to this later on and you didn't see the video come up or the

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for those interested. All right, we've got a, what else you got for us, my man?

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Sharon Screen.

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Tempo.

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All right, it's up on the, well, there we go. It's on the screen though.

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All right. So on the left, again, we're coming back to Apollo 12.

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There's an image where there's two images, one, one where they're standing at the ship,

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looking towards the survey or three, and the one of when they're standing near the survey or three,

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and they're looking back towards the ship. Now this is these, the ship is supposedly

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on the opposite side of the crater. And that crater is 200 meters wide around the rim.

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So we can give, so the claimed distance between the Apollo craft and the surveyor craft

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is around about 200 meters, a little bit less. It might have been slightly closer,

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but more or less 200 meters, that's what they claim. Now if you look here

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on the picture on the right, it's just, this is showing approximately how far,

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there's a picture of a buffalo. There's a woman standing in the field,

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and it's giving you, it's giving you advice. You should stay 100 yards, right, 100 yards,

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stay away from this buffalo, you know. So 100 yards, 200, so now you come back here to this

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this ship is supposedly 200 meters away. Yeah, 200 meters is 218 yards,

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but this buffalo is only 100 yards away. Okay. Yeah, so here's another way to look

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to people to digest this. A football field is 100 yards long. Now if we're talking about 200

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yards, we're talking about two football fields. That's pretty goddamn far. And so we're being

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told in the middle image that the surveyor three is 200 yards away from this image.

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218 yards, 218 yards. And based on those images, it looks like it's probably 40 yards away, Max.

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It doesn't look anywhere near the 200 yards that we are being told.

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He's on the, on the photos. That's interesting. Yeah. Now look at the, here's another comparison.

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This is a, this is a, if you're standing in the edge of a street and you're looking down the end

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to the end of the street, this is 100 yards, right? Right. And that ship, you know, I could say

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maybe, you know, you said about 100. Yeah, maybe, but not 200. No way, not 200 at all.

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I mean, and you're, if you say 100, that would be like super, you're being super liberal with

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the numbers. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. All right. Let's go to the next one.

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So again, this, this, this is an elk, I guess, 25 yards, that elk, 100 yards to that elk

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way back over there. Yeah. So anyway, let's go to the next one. Let's look at 200 yards.

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This is a, this is a firing range, right? So this is what the craft is supposed to be, 200 yards away,

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which is nowhere even close to that, right? Let me, let me, right here.

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So let me zoom in, let me, let me zoom in on this. Okay. You can see there's a target on the

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edge of this cliff, you know, that's 200 yards to that target, right? All right, let's go.

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Here's another firing range. You can see the, the hill back here is 200 yards away,

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and this is looking through the scope. So that's a 200 yard firing range.

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Now, this is supposed to be

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three kilometers. This ship is supposed to be three kilometers. That's three,

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that's okay. 3,100 meters, more than three kilometers. The official 3,000 yards away.

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3,000, 3,100 meters. Okay. This is, this is what NASA claim, this is from the,

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so this ship, they're claiming me. This is, I would give that maximum 200 yards.

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Yeah, yeah. I was going to say that, that right there looks like 200 yards.

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Yeah. This is not three, three point one, you know, kilometers away. No way. If you think that's

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three point one kilometers away, I don't know if you must be, and so, so then they, they, you know,

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the, okay, so they're saying, you can even read this is directly from the NASA. Well, you can see

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from this, from the crosshairs on the lens that, and we know this is distance to be that,

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there's a 500 millimeter lens and the LEM is seven meters tall, and we can calculate that

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this really is three kilometers away based on the height of the, you know, they have all of this

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technical nonsense, but this is like not three kilometers away. This is maximum. See, if you

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just look at me zoom, okay, here's the craft I'm zooming in. There it is, right. Let's go back to

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200 yards. Let's go back to our 200 yards. You can see the target on the cliff, right?

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Yeah. The target on the cliff is approximately the same height as the LEM, you know,

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about seven meters. And this to me, this to me is definitely proof of a hoax because why would you

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lie about the numbers and distances? Because you may, you have a smaller set and you can't display

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something that far away in your small set. So you have to make up numbers that clearly don't,

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don't correlate, you know, with the images that we're seeing. So their first set they used

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for Apollo 12 was like maximum 100 meters. And the second, the second set they used for

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Apollo 17 was maximum 200 meters, you know. Yeah. What digital dust says here, they used a lot of

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forced perspective in the shots spot on. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, yeah, definitely a smoking

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gun right there because if you're trying to tell me those, those first few images were 200

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yards when at max they were 40 yards, that's nonsense. Then you're telling me this other shot

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was three kilometers away, 3,000 meters away. And that looked like 200 yards. Yeah, it's just

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not adding up at all. So let me, should I go to the next point? Any, but any other questions?

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No, let's, let's, yeah, let's go to the next one.

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Okay, give me one second. Okay, while you set that up. Also, reminder tomorrow, Sunday, 2 p.m. Eastern

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and 7 o'clock UK time. I got John Brism coming on and we're going to be discussing the

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Trump Epstein stuff. A lot of juicy stuff came out the last few days. If you follow me on X,

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I've been, been making quite a few jokes. Some of you may have understood and that's all from the

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emails that came out. So John Brism will join me tomorrow, Sunday, 2 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. UK on

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rumble and Odyssey. And I may do that on YouTube as well. We'll see. But just thought I'd throw

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it in while Dr. Raza gets up the next share screen. Also, you want to stay on top of the

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are so inclined. Right. I'm ready when you are. Dr. Raza.

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Give me one more second. I kind of lost I lost one of my folders here. It's kind of set

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back. No worries.

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What is that? A doorbell? That's no, it's a school bill. Oh, school bill. Okay.

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It almost sounds like, oh, say, can you see Dr. Raza is getting patriotic over there.

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So I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna recap on the

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some of the things I presented in the debate there with MC tune.

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Did you have any other or more smoking guns, Dr. Raza?

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Yeah, okay. Okay, I got you. It's on the screen. What are we looking at?

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Yeah, so this is the footpad of the Surveyor three craft. And so the official story, this is

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this I have no reason to doubt. I think that they could send unmanned crafts to the moon.

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And this is actual photos of that actual unmanned craft.

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And they had scooped up some dirt with their scooper and then dropped that dirt onto the footpad.

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And the camera there could take photos of that dirt. So you can see the first

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scoop here. I'll say scoop full of dirt. This first scoop full of dirt landed here

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just near the hinge. And then they then they went ahead and dumped many scoopfuls of dirt.

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And they covered basically half of the footpad. You can see from the tip of the footpad all the

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way down here, they put many scoopfuls of dirt here. And then they came in with their little

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scooper. And they took the tip of the scooper and they put it down to the tip of the

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footpad and they scraped away some of the dirt and it left a white spot here. So you can see

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it had they had scraped away all the dirt on that certain part of the footpad.

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Okay, so this is the reference source material. It came from this document.

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And this is coming back to the footprint. Excuse me. Coming back to the footprint,

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you know, this this is the footprint that doesn't match at all. And if you look here,

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zooming in on the where they had pushed the dirt away, so the scraper had

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pushed away this area here. Okay. And it's white where they pushed away all the dirt.

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And coming back, this is another image of it

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where you can see where they had pushed away the dirt. Here's some third image.

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You can see where the scraper was approximately this big, the tip of it when it scraped away.

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And finally, the fourth, the last image,

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you can see where the scraper had pushed away. So so and there's like kind of a little mound

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around it. So this is a there's four we're very fortunate to find these four images.

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There's only four images one, two, three, four of the final resting place. So this is what it

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should have looked like when the Apollo 12 astronauts walked there and visited this survey three.

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All right. So let's come back here to the Apollo images. You can see it's totally different.

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It's totally different. They had tried to emulate it a little bit, but like that's not the way it

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should have been. It should have been white down in here and then dirt over here just

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way out on the edge. But that's not what we're seeing here. So let's share a few more of these.

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You can see they kind of moving around it. You can see the dirt is here in the middle of this

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like kind of semicircle. They had kind of like scooped it off and then put some other little

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clots here, dirt clots in the middle of the semicircle. It's totally different

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from the actual. Again, you can see it's like a little circle they had made and then they put a

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couple little clots of dirt in here to fill it in. It's totally different from the survey three.

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Yeah, here's from the other side. It's even more obvious, you know,

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but they purposely left the camera out of focus here. But you can see it's not even

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there would have been more dirt. They had covered half of it. So there would have been more dirt over

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here and there would have been more dirt up here and then there would have been dirt kind of along

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the rim there. So it doesn't match at all. You see, it doesn't even have the rim back here.

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So anyway, usually you can explore these on your own in higher resolution.

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But this is I'm just showing you like this is the way it should have been because this is the actual

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survey three crap. And there was kind of the dirt on all four sides around where the scooper had

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pushed off the dirt. And you can see the white spot how wide the little scoop mark was.

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And then coming back here to the polymissions, it doesn't look anything like that at all. It

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I kind of looked a little bit like, but it's like there should have been dirt here on the rim.

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And then this white part in the middle here should have been white. So it's totally different.

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You got any, what do you think we see? Yeah, the whole crater things is something that

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intrigues me and cracks me up quite a bit. Because NASA apologist will make every excuse

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in the book for it. Yeah, that that looks like a real crater. I'm not a scientist. I'm not

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educated. I'm just a garbage man. But I look at some of these images and they try to tell me,

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yeah, that's a crater that should have been done by an engine with X amount of thrust,

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you know, thousands of pounds of thrust, you know, to lift off and you see a tiny little,

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you know, mound dust or dirt uninterrupted. And they say with a straight face, yeah,

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a huge rocket engine did, you know, was able to lift off and it didn't move anything about.

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It makes no sense. I don't use any mathematics. I just look at it. It doesn't it doesn't add up.

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And even those images that you that you showed me, yeah, they clearly look like they've

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been tampered with. And it just looks so fake, so cheesy and fake.

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Yeah, can I show that image? Yeah, here we go. It's on the screen right now.

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So this is the Chinese Mars lander. And you can see there's a big hole under the ship,

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the blast crater. Can you see that we see? Yep.

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Because when the ship is coming in for landing, there's a there's the main engine is on the same

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as in the Apollo missions. So the main if the Apollo missions really would be so much bigger

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because the Apollo mission was so much bigger than this tiny little Chinese craft.

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Yeah, what was the Apollo mission engines? How many how many thousands of pounds of

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thrust? It was like 10,000. Yeah, no, 1,080 pounds of thrust after they had throttled it down.

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Yeah, 10,000 had full thrust and 1,080 after throttle, they could only throttle it down to

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10%. So 10% is 1,080 pounds of thrust. So it would have left a huge crater and especially

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just just feet above the surface. And in some of it, you can go in point by point,

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how many mission by mission, how many feet above the surface they were when they when the engine

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shut down, the engine was shut to zero. And it was just each mission was different. Some of them

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were just a few feet above the surface. And some of them, I think one of them, they even

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shut it down after touchdown. And then another mission they had shut it down early. So it's

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supposedly landed harder. But anyway, if it was just a few feet above the surface, it would have

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left a huge crater much bigger than this, you know, because it's just blasting straight into

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the rock. And this is just not a fraction, a tiny fraction of that. And even NASA document

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itself, this is the NASA Mars mission. And you can see that this had a multiple engines.

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And each engine left its own blast crater, right? And this is just a tiny little craft.

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It had multiple engines. So even with multiple engines, the thrust is not concentrated into

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one point. So on the Apollo missions, there was just one engine. So all the thrust was

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concentrated on one point, like the Chinese one, it would have dug way down to the surface.

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And even on the Mars missions, they had multiple engines, it left this huge blast

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crater under each engine, you know, and we see nothing like that on the Apollo missions.

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Yeah. Missy with a great comment, my dog digs bigger holes.

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Yeah, not impressed. But

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if we view it that way, if we're not impressed, then we are the crazy ones, we are the conspiracy

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theorist, and we should be locked up in a loony bin because we don't believe the official stories.

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Yeah, it's pretty, pretty comical.

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Let me try to share screen again. Yeah.

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It's kind of weird when I try to share screen. Your browser has blocked your screen.

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So weird. It's telling me my browser has blocked me from screen scaring.

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Just close it down and try it again. Close what?

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There's nothing to close.

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Okay. Great. Okay. And I can also do audio here. All right.

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All right. Let me know when you can see that. I got it. It's up on the screen.

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All right. So this is the, just to be clear, this is the,

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this is the coming from the spacecraft films DVD.

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And the space, if you watch American Moon movie, they make a big deal out of this.

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You can only trust spacecraft films DVD because that is the original unedited version.

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Right. And then you can even prove that NASA edited it because if you go to their YouTube

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page today, the net, the official NASA YouTube page, you know, follow surface journal,

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you could, you can download the clip. So they had actually, you can see that it's been clipped

01:11:04.980 --> 01:11:09.960
that where the part on the right hand side of the screen where you can see the flag

01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:20.600
waving very clearly and clipped on the new and improved Apollo web page. So anyway,

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I'm going to play the spacecraft films DVD because that's the original unclipped version.

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And you can see it just, I'm playing it now. So if you watch the right hand top corner,

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you see the flag that blowing on to the set, right?

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You can see it moving. Yes. Yeah.

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And then it just blows off, it blew off the stage. You know,

01:11:49.820 --> 01:11:55.980
it's going to blow on again. You can see it comes back. Yeah. And it's kind of waving there.

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Still there, still there.

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Yeah. It's going to get ready to blow off.

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Okay. Thank you.

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So they say this is outgassing where the ship somehow outgasses and that gas can pass

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there goes, it blows off. They say that the ship somehow outgassed and that gas

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would blow it off, but then it wouldn't come back down again like it's doing, you know.

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Sounds like Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. And then it blows finally one more time.

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So it's kind of a play that again, you know, it kind of it's there and blows off and it blows back

01:12:48.590 --> 01:12:57.030
on big time and then it blows back really quickly, you know. So this is definitely not the official

01:12:57.030 --> 01:13:03.990
excuse. So yeah, what's the what's the official excuse for that?

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The official excuse is that is that the ship would outgas and that would blow the flag away

01:13:15.050 --> 01:13:22.230
and gravity would pull the flag back down. But that cannot be true because when it comes

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because that would mean the original resting place is down, then it gets blown away and then

01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:32.790
gravity pulls it down, gets blown away and gravity pulls it down. That would mean the

01:13:32.790 --> 01:13:39.070
original resting place is down, but it's not because there's because there's 16 minutes of

01:13:39.070 --> 01:13:45.390
video where it's not in the original resting place. So that whole excuses

01:13:45.390 --> 01:13:53.570
is debunked, they debunked themselves, but presenting such a lame excuse, there is no excuse.

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There's no way that this could just blow onto the stage without some external source of wind.

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It's impossible, there's no other way. And MC Tune was less speechless. He's like,

01:14:09.230 --> 01:14:11.750
well, you can't put a fan on the studio stage.

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Yeah, he zoomed in on that little thing, like prove it, prove it that they had a fan on the

01:14:20.270 --> 01:14:28.950
studio. What studio does it? Like that's his style, he zooms in. And so that's where I would

01:14:28.950 --> 01:14:35.690
have, I suppose, would have hammered it. Give me a plausible excuse for that. Why does the

01:14:35.690 --> 01:14:43.130
flag disappear? And you got to stay firm on it because he'll distract you with all this

01:14:43.130 --> 01:14:47.810
other bullshit. There's a fan in the studio. What studio uses a fan? Blah, blah, blah.

01:14:47.850 --> 01:14:53.310
They wouldn't have done that. He zooms in to distract you because he has no evidence.

01:14:53.810 --> 01:15:02.850
He has no answer at all. He can only just attack. Who are you to say blah, blah, blah.

01:15:02.850 --> 01:15:09.010
But see that? That's what I mean, like, you know, as a note for next time, you got to bring it back.

01:15:09.270 --> 01:15:15.430
He'll he'll try to derail the conversation using that sleazy little tactic. You got to bring him

01:15:15.430 --> 01:15:23.210
back. Wait a minute, hold up, hold up. Come back. You tell me, give me a plausible reason why this

01:15:23.210 --> 01:15:28.710
goddamn flag disappears and comes back. Because the reason you have given me does not make

01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:34.050
any goddamn sense, Mr. Toon. And that's the approach that I would have taken. You know what

01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:40.090
I'm saying? You got to bring him back. Bring him back. He'll try to take it in a whole million

01:15:40.090 --> 01:15:47.410
different directions. You got to bring his ass back. But he's given no reason at all. He's

01:15:47.410 --> 01:15:52.190
given no reason at all. You got to showcase it. You see what I'm saying? Sometimes you got to

01:15:52.190 --> 01:15:57.310
showcase it and put his ass on blast right there, right there and then in front of his

01:15:57.310 --> 01:16:02.050
audience in front of everyone else, you have this is what I was telling you at the very beginning.

01:16:02.770 --> 01:16:08.290
You got to you got to fight fire with fire and he's going to he's using these dirty tactics.

01:16:08.510 --> 01:16:13.210
He's he's been an asshole. He's using that homonyms. You got to play the same game.

01:16:13.430 --> 01:16:20.910
Otherwise, his little theatrics will appear to have won the day, even though this point

01:16:20.910 --> 01:16:26.010
that you presented is a completely valid point. They have no good reason for this flag

01:16:26.010 --> 01:16:33.570
waving. It's completely valid, but he'll distract you with his little antics and theatrics. That's

01:16:33.570 --> 01:16:38.990
all I'm trying to say. Right. My kind of my point of it is like this, you know, there's a saying

01:16:38.990 --> 01:16:45.150
in English, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink, right? So so for the

01:16:45.150 --> 01:16:51.050
people who are watching the videos, these debates, if they if they're if they're persuaded by

01:16:51.050 --> 01:16:58.230
MC Tunes antics, then then that's just the horses refusing to drink. You know, all I'm doing is just

01:16:58.230 --> 01:17:04.830
providing evidence and I could actually care less who who gives, you know, who's whoever does the

01:17:04.830 --> 01:17:10.710
backup research. You know, I'm giving you the reference numbers. Go look it up yourself. You

01:17:10.710 --> 01:17:15.210
know, I've already led the horse to the water, you know, so that's the way I look at it. I'm

01:17:15.210 --> 01:17:19.970
not going to waste one minute of time trying to force a horse to drink who's refusing to drink.

01:17:22.770 --> 01:17:28.550
Yeah. Yeah. And I suppose at the end of the day, everyone has their own style and

01:17:29.190 --> 01:17:35.090
I wish I was better, you know, at at throwing in these ad hominins and stuff, but you know,

01:17:35.090 --> 01:17:41.950
I think I would make him rage quit. I would I'll try to ask you if there is a next time,

01:17:42.090 --> 01:17:46.230
if they ever allow me back on the show, I'll try to say if I can ask my friend, we see the

01:17:46.230 --> 01:17:53.210
come. I would make him rage quit. I've thought about reaching out to him. I'll bring him onto

01:17:53.210 --> 01:17:58.630
my show and see if he'll do it. You got you just got to match someone's energy, man,

01:17:59.510 --> 01:18:06.190
especially those type of debaters. He's not he's not an honest agent. He he does little

01:18:06.190 --> 01:18:11.510
sneak things. But once you study someone once you see their antics, it's really not that

01:18:11.510 --> 01:18:18.150
hard. But yeah, he did that with you. He did that with Marcus Allen as well. Marcus Allen did

01:18:19.230 --> 01:18:29.490
reprimand him and said, hey, cut that shit out. You know, but yeah, I mean, I want to stress

01:18:29.490 --> 01:18:37.770
and this is something that I feel doesn't get hammered by people like us that question the

01:18:37.770 --> 01:18:43.050
moon landings enough, you know, I brought it up a couple times on the Apollo detectives and

01:18:43.670 --> 01:18:50.650
it was my own little thought my own little thinking. But I don't want to I don't want to

01:18:51.230 --> 01:18:58.970
trademark it or have it be mine. I want people to take it and use it with their friends and

01:18:58.970 --> 01:19:04.810
use it with everyone else. And this is my own little quote that I want to keep saying it.

01:19:04.810 --> 01:19:10.430
So that others can use it and use it with their, you know, when they engage with people that believe

01:19:10.430 --> 01:19:17.410
in the moon landings. NASA is the one that made the extraordinary claim that man landed on the moon.

01:19:19.390 --> 01:19:26.330
The evidence to support this extraordinary claim is flimsier than the lunar lander itself.

01:19:28.770 --> 01:19:36.210
And that's my little original quote. That's my little thing. But the point is, it's not up to us

01:19:37.050 --> 01:19:43.370
to prove that the moon landings were fake. We're simply asking for them to prove a positive.

01:19:44.710 --> 01:19:50.250
Because the evidence that they have presented, whether it's the photos, which can be faked,

01:19:50.970 --> 01:19:56.450
whether it's the moon rocks, which can be collected in Antarctica. And actually,

01:19:56.490 --> 01:20:02.930
some of the moon rocks have been found out to be petrified wood. So that's not good evidence.

01:20:03.470 --> 01:20:08.790
Then the telemetry data, oh, they lost it. They lost the original telemetry data.

01:20:09.270 --> 01:20:15.650
So the evidence that they have provided is far from extraordinary. But the claim

01:20:16.210 --> 01:20:23.390
that man landed on the moon with 1960s errors tech is 100% an extraordinary claim.

01:20:24.090 --> 01:20:30.330
And you can't let them try to wiggle the way out of that. We got to keep hammering that. I think

01:20:30.330 --> 01:20:35.670
that's the line we got to take. And we got to be hardcore. It's not up to us to prove that their

01:20:35.670 --> 01:20:43.770
fantasy that their NASA myth is fake. It's not our goddamn job. It's your job to prove

01:20:43.770 --> 01:20:49.110
that we made it to the moon, because the evidence presented is far from extraordinary. And so that's

01:20:49.110 --> 01:20:59.130
just my little spiel, man. And that's the spiel I would give the MC tune. The only the only

01:20:59.130 --> 01:21:08.110
the only thing I can say in MC to his credit is that he's avoiding the two main subjects,

01:21:08.110 --> 01:21:14.950
the two main excuses, which most apologists like to say is that one, if it was a hoax,

01:21:15.050 --> 01:21:20.470
the Russians would have blown the whistle. And two, it couldn't have been a hoax because there

01:21:20.470 --> 01:21:27.010
was 400,000 employees at NASA and somebody would have blown the whistle by it. So those are

01:21:27.010 --> 01:21:33.550
both garbage. Yeah, but those those reasons are garbage. And they can easily be thrown away.

01:21:34.470 --> 01:21:38.430
The as far as the the the amount of people working on it.

01:21:39.910 --> 01:21:46.510
That's a cartoonish way to look at a conspiracy. A lot of these conspiracies cover ups are come

01:21:46.510 --> 01:21:52.930
part compartmentalized, meaning someone could be working actively working on a cover up or

01:21:52.930 --> 01:21:58.850
a conspiracy and not even realize it. For example, making the suits, making the astronaut

01:21:58.850 --> 01:22:04.990
boots, you're making real boots. So you think you're actually hoping astronauts make it to the moon,

01:22:05.010 --> 01:22:12.930
but it's all the rules. It's all bullshit. It's not real. And then as far as the Russians would

01:22:12.930 --> 01:22:18.510
have talked, my favorite go to answer to that or rebuttal to that is Dimitri Rogozov,

01:22:19.130 --> 01:22:25.350
the Russian cosmonaut that has called out the NASA moon landings in which when you when

01:22:25.350 --> 01:22:31.650
you Google Dimitri Rogozin, all you'll find out are ad hominem attacks on him. Oh, well,

01:22:31.670 --> 01:22:37.710
he's a quack. Oh, well, he's a loon. Who cares what he said? That, ladies and gentlemen, is called

01:22:37.710 --> 01:22:43.250
moving the goalpost because you said that the Russians would have talked. Here we have

01:22:43.250 --> 01:22:49.810
a Russian a top Russian cosmonaut that has indeed talked. But now you're throwing ad

01:22:49.810 --> 01:22:54.330
hominems. Oh, well, his his opinion doesn't matter. That is called moving the goddamn

01:22:54.330 --> 01:23:01.510
goalposts. So those two arguments are easily debunkable. And then as far as the amount of

01:23:01.510 --> 01:23:07.730
people working on it, people forget that the Manhattan Project had 130,000 people working

01:23:07.730 --> 01:23:15.990
on it. And people kept that under wraps. So there is presidents for large scale

01:23:15.990 --> 01:23:22.230
operations to be kept quiet. And so, yeah, both of those arguments would be

01:23:23.310 --> 01:23:26.270
completely destroyed, in my opinion, if you try to engage with them.

01:23:27.150 --> 01:23:32.410
Right. So that's why that's why they he was specifically avoiding those arguments with me

01:23:32.410 --> 01:23:37.790
because he knows I would just chew him up and spit him out in no time. And he wouldn't even

01:23:37.790 --> 01:23:43.090
want to get me started on the whole Russia issue, because then I would I would love to

01:23:43.090 --> 01:23:50.670
get an opportunity to talk about how the entire from Vietnam to, you know, the whole thing

01:23:50.670 --> 01:23:55.750
was so if they tried to play the Russians would have blown the whistle card on me. I would have

01:23:55.750 --> 01:24:02.250
loved for them to try to play that card on me. Yeah. And then that that all, you know,

01:24:02.650 --> 01:24:06.390
this is the thing that I brought up to the AI when I was having my little mini debate,

01:24:07.290 --> 01:24:11.710
because the AI was trying to say, oh, well, are you are you saying that there was a global

01:24:11.710 --> 01:24:16.250
conspiracy of the Russians were involved? I'm like, well, kind of, yeah, look at the Cold

01:24:16.250 --> 01:24:24.010
War, look at the lend lease program. The Russians were allegedly the big bad wolf. And yet we were

01:24:24.010 --> 01:24:29.550
engaged in the lend lease program with them. And then we in modern times look at COVID.

01:24:30.890 --> 01:24:34.470
We're on YouTube so I can't get too much into the COVID stuff. But

01:24:36.170 --> 01:24:43.410
most of us have a certain way about how we feel about COVID, especially maybe you fell for it

01:24:43.410 --> 01:24:48.910
at the very beginning. And I think a lot of people now realize what was going on. I'm being

01:24:48.910 --> 01:24:55.210
cautious with my words because I'm on YouTube. But then you see how all these governments handled

01:24:55.210 --> 01:24:59.510
COVID that are supposedly our enemies, whether it's China, whether it's Russia,

01:25:00.210 --> 01:25:06.050
they handled it in very similar terms. So that to me is

01:25:07.470 --> 01:25:16.870
well, let me let me jump in here. The reason why they're afraid to play that card now is because

01:25:16.870 --> 01:25:24.170
it ties in directly with the Russian Ukraine war. The Russia Ukraine war going on now is completely

01:25:24.170 --> 01:25:30.230
a hoax as well, because it's the same Freemasons in Ukraine and the same Freemasons in Russia.

01:25:30.230 --> 01:25:34.950
And they're playing enemies right now. This is this is just a puppet show.

01:25:37.170 --> 01:25:44.330
Yeah. Yeah, everything is a that's why I kind of focused, you know, at the very beginning on the

01:25:44.330 --> 01:25:50.590
Gulf of Tonkin incident, because a lot of people that follow me know that I cover a lot of stuff

01:25:50.590 --> 01:25:56.950
and I deem a lot of things fake and theatrics, the Trump assassination attempt, all these other

01:25:56.950 --> 01:26:03.230
things. I don't believe in them at all. They're fake. And we have plenty of reasons why we should

01:26:03.230 --> 01:26:08.010
be questioning these things. Like I stated at the very beginning, the Gulf of Tonkin incident

01:26:08.870 --> 01:26:15.170
completely fake and manufactured. It has been admitted. So this is in a conspiracy theory.

01:26:15.170 --> 01:26:19.970
They admitted that they made everything up. And as a result of this lie,

01:26:20.950 --> 01:26:30.470
over 50,000 American troops died in Vietnam. Three million Vietnamese died in a completely

01:26:30.470 --> 01:26:38.010
manufactured event known as the Gulf of Tonkin. So anyone having issues? Well, why would they fake

01:26:38.010 --> 01:26:42.570
this? Why would they fake that they fake things all the time? Push agendas?

01:26:44.250 --> 01:26:50.790
Also, I want to say, you know, what once the government admits to something, it no longer

01:26:50.790 --> 01:26:58.270
becomes conspiracy theory, but it becomes conspiracy fact, right? Once they admit, well,

01:26:58.350 --> 01:27:03.670
we did kind of say some little lies there about the Gulf of Tonkin, then it could

01:27:03.670 --> 01:27:10.150
become conspiracy fact, right? And there's been four times where, well, more than four,

01:27:10.150 --> 01:27:18.830
but the four major ones are the Gulf of Tonkin, the weapons of mass destruction of Iraq,

01:27:20.930 --> 01:27:27.350
the Levan affair, and the King David Hotel bombing, right?

01:27:27.490 --> 01:27:32.630
We're on YouTube, so I don't want to get too deep in there. I know where you're going with that.

01:27:32.890 --> 01:27:39.630
But I would even argue that the U.S.-Mexican war is another one that even mainline historians

01:27:39.630 --> 01:27:49.950
will agree, that it was a completely staged aggression to make it look like Mexico attacked the

01:27:49.950 --> 01:27:56.510
U.S. That way the U.S. could get in and take, still, let's just put it the way it is,

01:27:56.850 --> 01:28:02.770
still half of Mexican land, that's what happened. They staged, they made Mexico the aggressor

01:28:02.770 --> 01:28:08.070
when there was no need for it. The American public did not want a war, so they had to

01:28:08.070 --> 01:28:14.210
stage the event in order to make that happen. And that one, even mainline historians will get

01:28:14.210 --> 01:28:20.930
behind. So these staged events, staged narratives happened all the damn time, over and over again.

01:28:24.530 --> 01:28:29.030
Can I share screen again? I got one more just thing to talk about here.

01:28:29.370 --> 01:28:29.670
Yeah.

01:28:37.290 --> 01:28:38.790
It's on the screen right now.

01:28:41.430 --> 01:28:51.330
So this is probably just a fake image, but it's just like a light. You could stick on your wall

01:28:51.910 --> 01:29:01.730
which has a transparency of the earth. So it would be kind of like a globe-looking light bulb,

01:29:01.950 --> 01:29:14.250
I guess you could say, right? So this globe-looking light bulb has a transparency over that has

01:29:15.070 --> 01:29:22.870
some cloud patterns over a certain part of earth. And that transparency can be changed.

01:29:24.410 --> 01:29:29.490
So at the beginning of the debate, the first thing I said, I made one

01:29:31.510 --> 01:29:39.510
recantation where I said that there was some Apollo images of the earth taken

01:29:39.510 --> 01:29:49.070
from the moon. And you have to, you know, if you compare the time stamp, so what they had done was

01:29:49.850 --> 01:29:58.090
in the studio set where they were filming this thing, they had tried to calculate the angle of

01:29:58.090 --> 01:30:03.990
the earth and the angle of the moon at that particular time so that it would look like

01:30:03.990 --> 01:30:08.970
you actually seeing the earth up there. And they had even calculated down to the point

01:30:08.970 --> 01:30:15.310
where like this would be the continent you could see at that time. And they had even

01:30:16.650 --> 01:30:21.990
different transparencies where the cloud patterns would be different. And they could say even the

01:30:21.990 --> 01:30:26.590
clouds are changing over time, but it's so simple as that. All you have to do is just

01:30:26.590 --> 01:30:30.950
change the transparency and you can have different cloud patterns, different continents,

01:30:31.210 --> 01:30:34.990
you can have whatever you want, you know? So the theory that this couldn't have been

01:30:34.990 --> 01:30:40.030
faked because you could see the earth and the earth is rotated, this is totally raw,

01:30:40.130 --> 01:30:45.030
it's just different transparencies being moved over on a light source that looks like the earth.

01:30:51.550 --> 01:31:02.990
Yeah. Good, good point. Oh, I think Dr. Raza will join us, rejoin us. I think it was

01:31:02.990 --> 01:31:12.350
almost time for him to leave though. He's in China and it is evening here on a Saturday night

01:31:12.350 --> 01:31:20.550
in Florida and it is Sunday morning for him. So I know he was busy, but

01:31:23.190 --> 01:31:30.450
he boned out to be a give him a second to see if he comes back. Maybe his internet cut out.

01:31:31.230 --> 01:31:34.750
Maybe he was dropping too much goddamn truth bombs.

01:31:40.330 --> 01:31:46.390
Again, 10 p.m. There we go. Here's Dr. Raza.

01:31:49.650 --> 01:31:57.490
There you are, Dr. Raza. Sorry about that. You're good, man. I thought you had a run and

01:31:59.270 --> 01:32:01.910
you didn't even say bye. I was ready to cry, man.

01:32:04.570 --> 01:32:09.910
Yeah, but I do kind of need to get going. That was just accident. I actually closed it.

01:32:10.210 --> 01:32:22.310
No, I got you, man. So there is one other, I had another smoking gun, but somehow my

01:32:22.310 --> 01:32:26.870
folder got deleted. So we might have to save that one for the next time.

01:32:27.410 --> 01:32:38.690
Yeah, we could do a part three. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. There's one other thing I wanted to share

01:32:39.770 --> 01:32:48.270
regarding my own personal story. Yeah. I would have liked to have brought this. This is something

01:32:48.270 --> 01:32:59.230
that we this is something we talked about before. But okay, there was a

01:33:01.050 --> 01:33:10.790
there was a clip from the Chang'e 6 mission. We talked about this before. So here in China,

01:33:10.790 --> 01:33:19.470
just we launched this Chang'e 6, which was the first robotic craft to bring moon rocks

01:33:20.060 --> 01:33:21.990
from the far side of the moon.

01:33:24.260 --> 01:33:33.570
Right. And during during that liftoff, during the day of the of the Chang'e 6 liftoff,

01:33:34.190 --> 01:33:42.190
there was a Chinese administrator who made the quote that the Apollo, there's many people who

01:33:42.190 --> 01:33:49.750
doubt whether the Apollo missions were real. So why would a Chinese Chinese official

01:33:50.610 --> 01:33:55.610
be saying that many people doubt the Apollo missions were real?

01:33:57.630 --> 01:34:04.410
And his name is Yang Yu Guang. And he's the administrator from the International Astronautical

01:34:07.330 --> 01:34:16.910
Federation, IAF. So I need to, so I know Yang Yu Guang, you know, because China is the, you know,

01:34:16.950 --> 01:34:23.970
once you meet people in space agencies, you meet all of them, you know. So I've met

01:34:23.970 --> 01:34:29.710
Yang Yu Guang before and I asked him, so how can you get away with saying this

01:34:30.430 --> 01:34:37.930
on public TV, saying that many people doubt the Apollo missions? And it's kind of a, it's a way

01:34:37.930 --> 01:34:46.310
to step up political pressure on NASA, because NASA agreed to admit they fake the Apollo mission

01:34:46.930 --> 01:34:51.050
and China is just waiting for them. So they're stepping up pressure now.

01:34:51.750 --> 01:35:01.330
Now, the NASA apologists, ever since I pointed this out, the NASA apologists came for a rebuttal to me.

01:35:02.290 --> 01:35:08.770
They said, oh, Dr. Russell is wrong. He's, Yang Yu Guang, later part of the interview,

01:35:09.170 --> 01:35:15.490
said that the moon landings were real. So I need to, I need to respond to this rebuttal.

01:35:15.490 --> 01:35:25.910
Okay. Do I need to play this clip again? I think maybe I should, because many people maybe don't

01:35:25.910 --> 01:35:34.750
know what I'm talking about. Yeah, let's refresh, let's jog our memories. All right, let me share

01:35:34.750 --> 01:35:52.470
screen. Let me know when you got it. It's on the screen right now. Okay, I'm gonna play it.

01:35:52.470 --> 01:35:58.230
You can just listen. All right, now let's hear some more analysis from my guest here in the studio,

01:35:58.450 --> 01:36:04.270
Professor Yang Yu Guang from the Space Transportation Committee at the IAS. You know, that's,

01:36:04.270 --> 01:36:08.770
you asked which is the most dangerous or risky part from my view of a technician.

01:36:09.790 --> 01:36:14.170
Wait a minute. Let me, let me kind of translate what he's saying, because his English is not

01:36:14.170 --> 01:36:21.290
very good. What the hell is he talking about right now? He's, you know, he's,

01:36:21.290 --> 01:36:27.210
well, he's one of the few people who can actually speak English. So, you know, they chose him

01:36:27.210 --> 01:36:31.130
specifically for that, because he's one of the people that has good English. You know,

01:36:31.590 --> 01:36:38.690
anyway, what he's saying, what he's saying is that the most risky part of this mission

01:36:39.290 --> 01:36:46.090
will be the lunar orbit rendezvous. Okay, the most risky. So what it means to say is,

01:36:46.090 --> 01:36:53.430
when you have two ships meeting in the lunar orbit, and they're going to transfer the rocks from

01:36:53.430 --> 01:36:59.070
one ship to another ship, it's very difficult to align the ships so they can dock properly.

01:36:59.710 --> 01:37:04.530
And it's, it's, like, if anything can go wrong, the two ships crash or whatever,

01:37:05.010 --> 01:37:09.470
it's the most risky part of the whole mission, right? So that's what he's talking about. Let's

01:37:09.470 --> 01:37:15.590
keep playing. The most important or the most risky part will be the lunar orbit rendezvous,

01:37:15.590 --> 01:37:21.090
which means that the two spacecraft rendezvous and dock together in the second lunar orbit.

01:37:21.430 --> 01:37:25.210
You know that many people doubt about whether the Apollo program is true or not.

01:37:26.150 --> 01:37:33.190
Okay, that was the one, that was the line. Many people doubt about whether the Apollo program

01:37:33.190 --> 01:37:39.690
is true or not. The exact words, okay? Why would he be saying that on the launch

01:37:40.350 --> 01:37:45.690
of China's first mission to do something which NASA has never done?

01:37:46.370 --> 01:37:52.570
NASA has never brought moon rocks back from the far side of the moon. So this was China's

01:37:53.290 --> 01:37:59.910
first chance to do better, to do one up on NASA. During the launch of the mission,

01:38:00.450 --> 01:38:05.670
he announced that many people have doubts about whether the Apollo missions were true or not.

01:38:06.290 --> 01:38:10.990
And then let's listen to his second quote. One thing is that, you know, that in 1960,

01:38:12.330 --> 01:38:18.050
it's almost unbelievable that the human being can conduct a docking in this lunar orbit.

01:38:19.130 --> 01:38:26.470
So he says that, he says that one thing is for sure, it's almost unbelievable.

01:38:26.850 --> 01:38:33.790
He's giving his own personal opinion here. Okay, his own personal opinion is that it's

01:38:33.790 --> 01:38:41.630
almost unbelievable to me that these two ships could have docked in the 1960s.

01:38:42.710 --> 01:38:47.550
So first he makes a statement, many people doubt, he's pointing at other people.

01:38:48.270 --> 01:38:53.270
Many people doubt it was true or not. Personally, I think it's almost unbelievable

01:38:53.270 --> 01:39:01.030
that those two ships could have docked. So it's pretty clear here that China is

01:39:02.530 --> 01:39:09.610
putting pressure on NASA to hurry up and admit. And I just want to...

01:39:09.610 --> 01:39:14.170
Well, someone had a question for you. Is it true that the CM pilot couldn't

01:39:14.170 --> 01:39:18.950
communicate with the two astronauts before redocking? I need clarification.

01:39:20.670 --> 01:39:27.210
Well, the official story is that they could. But, you know, there was no docking anyway.

01:39:27.210 --> 01:39:34.450
Nothing. What really happened the entire time was that they went up, the command module

01:39:34.450 --> 01:39:42.450
remained in low Earth orbit the entire time. And the rest, this SIVB went and orbited the moon.

01:39:43.030 --> 01:39:49.930
So there was no dockings or anything like that. They just remained in orbit for the entire

01:39:49.930 --> 01:39:54.350
period where they claimed to be going to the moon. And then they just came back to Earth.

01:39:55.070 --> 01:40:01.530
So let me just share one last little thing about coming back to the Chinese issue.

01:40:04.370 --> 01:40:05.830
If I can, is...

01:40:08.950 --> 01:40:12.830
Okay. This is... Let me know when you...

01:40:14.790 --> 01:40:16.370
All right. Slip on the screen.

01:40:18.110 --> 01:40:25.470
Okay. So the debunkers, the apologists who think I'm lying here, and they say that

01:40:25.470 --> 01:40:32.530
the official debunk for my claim that China just blew the whistle on the Apollo missions,

01:40:33.530 --> 01:40:39.470
they say, well, in the later part of the video, he says the moon landings were real.

01:40:39.470 --> 01:40:49.850
So let me address that claim is that... So what happened was in the year 2014,

01:40:51.510 --> 01:40:59.190
astronauts met in Beijing. I'm presenting the news article here. So there was a big

01:40:59.190 --> 01:41:06.110
conference in Beijing where there was 93 astronauts from 18 countries. And three of them

01:41:06.110 --> 01:41:15.010
were Buzz Aldrin, Alexei Leonov, and Valentina Tereskova.

01:41:15.950 --> 01:41:22.290
All right. So let me just... In case you don't know, Buzz Aldrin, everybody knows Buzz Aldrin.

01:41:22.970 --> 01:41:31.590
And Alexei Leonov was the Russian who supposedly made the first spacewalk.

01:41:31.590 --> 01:41:38.010
He was supposedly in low earth orbit, and he opened the door, and he climbed out the door of the ship.

01:41:38.790 --> 01:41:47.790
And Valentina Tereskova was supposedly the first woman ever in space. Now, the thing is this,

01:41:48.450 --> 01:41:54.830
these three astronauts, Buzz Aldrin, Alexei Leonov, and Valentina Tereskova came to Beijing

01:41:55.290 --> 01:42:03.310
in the year 2014. And when they came to Beijing, they told us here at the Chinese space mission

01:42:03.310 --> 01:42:08.930
that all three of them are going to admit that they faked their mission.

01:42:09.870 --> 01:42:17.090
It means not only were the Apollo missions faked, but Alexei Leonov's first human spacewalk was

01:42:17.090 --> 01:42:23.310
also faked, and Valentina Tereskova, the first woman to go to space, was also faked.

01:42:24.190 --> 01:42:28.890
So this comes directly back to the question of would the Russians have blown the whistle.

01:42:29.250 --> 01:42:35.550
That whole debate is going to be dead soon, because NASA themselves are going to admit it,

01:42:35.630 --> 01:42:41.390
and the Russia will admit it well, that they were both colluding to fake these things.

01:42:42.450 --> 01:42:51.330
And so when the Chinese, the scientist, said on the launch of Chang'e 6, that he's in the

01:42:51.330 --> 01:42:58.870
interview, his exact words were saying, Buzz Aldrin, I know him. He was the first,

01:42:59.470 --> 01:43:08.050
he was the second man to walk on the moon. So now the reason why he said he was,

01:43:09.090 --> 01:43:15.070
because he's just quoting this article, you know, this article says Alexei Leonov,

01:43:15.270 --> 01:43:19.330
the first person to walk in space, Valentina Tereskova, the first female astronaut,

01:43:19.330 --> 01:43:25.050
and Buzz Aldrin, the second person to land on the moon. So he's just quoting this article.

01:43:25.150 --> 01:43:32.630
So this is the official Chinese story, is that China is willing to say Buzz Aldrin was the second

01:43:32.630 --> 01:43:39.090
man on the moon, even though they know it's a false statement, and they're willing to make that

01:43:40.490 --> 01:43:44.830
kind of a lie for them, because of the exchange of technology.

01:43:45.550 --> 01:43:51.850
But China's tactics here is making friends with the enemy, so keeping friends with America,

01:43:52.090 --> 01:43:57.690
keeping friends with NASA, keeping the technology exchange going, but at the same time,

01:43:58.090 --> 01:44:03.950
kind of blowing the whistle on them, because he said on the interview, many people doubt whether

01:44:03.950 --> 01:44:09.170
the politicians were true or not, you know, so he's kind of blowing the whistle on them,

01:44:09.170 --> 01:44:15.750
because he knows it's a hoax, and the Buzz Aldrin himself came here and told us that he's going to

01:44:15.750 --> 01:44:23.010
admit it was a hoax in the future. So this is just, this is the whole thing is going to get

01:44:23.010 --> 01:44:29.510
exposed very soon, and the fact that NASA and the Russians were colluding to hoax together

01:44:29.510 --> 01:44:37.390
is also going to be exposed very soon. Will, you're more optimistic than I am.

01:44:38.730 --> 01:44:45.630
Well, you know, I'm the type, I'll see when it happens, I'll believe it when it happens.

01:44:46.070 --> 01:44:52.210
I don't trust any government, I don't care if it's the Americans, the Chinese, the Russians,

01:44:52.590 --> 01:45:01.050
they all lie, we are their subjects, and we are their slaves, monetized slaves.

01:45:01.570 --> 01:45:06.810
I'm certainly not telling you to hold your breath for this event, because who knows

01:45:06.810 --> 01:45:14.250
when it will ever happen. But all I can say is that NASA did agree to confess.

01:45:15.090 --> 01:45:19.670
And now, and I want to tell you exactly, clarify the story here, okay.

01:45:20.830 --> 01:45:32.000
What happened was, in September of 1982, China launched their own rocket called the Long

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March 2C. The Long March 2C was a rocket completely built by China. They had no help from anybody.

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And they launched their second of this on August 1983. So the second of this Long March

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2C rocket was launched, and it was a successful mission. So what happened was, at that time,

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NASA looked at China and said, wow, you guys did a really good job on your own. You launched

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successfully this Long March 2C, which is the most powerful rocket you guys have ever built.

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So what happened after that in 1983, NASA said, we are going to start sharing technology

01:46:19.500 --> 01:46:24.560
with you, because you did such a good job on your own, we're going to start sharing

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technology with you. So what happened was, on December of 1983, China was allowed to join

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the Outer Space Treaty. So if you go to Wikipedia and you look at Outer Space Treaty,

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you can see that China joined on December of 1983. So this was when NASA agreed to start

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sharing technology with China. So NASA helped China upgrade their rocket, and China produced the

01:46:55.700 --> 01:47:02.540
first of the Long March 3 series. And the Long March 3 series was the first Chinese market

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made with the help from America. And that first Long March 3 was launched on April of 1984.

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So the plans had been in place between 1983 and 1984 for America to start transferring technology to

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China. And at that exact time, that was the meeting where NASA told China, says, look, we are going to

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start sharing technology with you. But we want you to keep a lid on the Apollo missions for now.

01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:45.160
We promise to come clean in the future. But for now, will you please keep clean about the fact

01:47:45.160 --> 01:47:52.460
that we fake the Apollo missions? And the exact date of this event, NASA telling this to China,

01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:59.460
was in the year 1983, just before they started getting permission to join the Outer Space

01:47:59.460 --> 01:48:06.460
Treaty of the UN. So I just had to set the record straight because I've told parts of this story

01:48:06.460 --> 01:48:18.080
before, but now I'm telling you the full details of it. I gotcha, I gotcha. All right. So Dr.

01:48:18.220 --> 01:48:25.840
Roz, I do have your YouTube link for the Moon landing hoax, as well as your Zero Point

01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:30.400
Institute. Is there any other place you want people to check you out?

01:48:33.940 --> 01:48:43.980
You know, I just got a super interesting message today on Facebook. And one of the members of

01:48:43.980 --> 01:48:53.260
our Facebook group said he had somehow contacted the people who had hijacked our old Facebook group.

01:48:53.820 --> 01:49:01.260
So our old Facebook group had 42,000 members and like somebody hijacked it away from us.

01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:06.460
I could explain that story, how they hijacked it, but basically they took over role of admin

01:49:06.460 --> 01:49:13.080
and they kicked out all the other admins. You had to start from scratch, essentially.

01:49:14.300 --> 01:49:21.660
One of the members of our new group somehow got in contact with one of the guys who

01:49:21.660 --> 01:49:28.240
hijacked our old group away. And he actually admitted to the fact that he paid money

01:49:28.820 --> 01:49:36.700
for that group to be hijacked and passed to his command. He admitted that he actually paid for

01:49:36.700 --> 01:49:42.420
them. And it might even be possible he's trying to blackmail us. He's giving us a price,

01:49:43.020 --> 01:49:46.400
saying you might be able to get your group back if you pay us.

01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:53.640
So I just got this news today, just before this interview. I was like, wow, that would be interesting.

01:49:56.220 --> 01:50:02.840
Yeah, so I don't know. I'm kind of, but you know, everything we do, our Facebook groups,

01:50:03.080 --> 01:50:08.160
our YouTube pages, they're all blacklisted, you know, so I don't really.

01:50:08.480 --> 01:50:14.740
Yeah, getting shadow banned and it's just, it's tough. Yeah, for sure.

01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:21.080
Yeah, you did start another one though, right? It's the Apollo moon hoax, right?

01:50:21.740 --> 01:50:26.440
Right. So we, yeah, I have a YouTube channel and I have a Facebook group, but you know,

01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.920
it's hardly anybody knows about it. It's hard to find it, you know.

01:50:32.500 --> 01:50:39.280
Yeah. Well, I do have those two links that I've always put on. So if anyone

01:50:39.280 --> 01:50:45.240
is interested, check them out. And then I also have our smoking guns part one as well

01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:53.720
for anyone interested. That was a lot of fun. And Mr. Bob Williams did a killer job on that

01:50:53.720 --> 01:51:02.020
video edit as well. So Dr. Ross, that was awesome. Yeah, let's see if we can get a few more

01:51:02.020 --> 01:51:10.800
and then we'll do a smoking guns three if need be. And we also need to do our part two of the cold war

01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:19.160
hoax. Yeah, so we'll have to get together and figure that one out for sure. Thanks so much,

01:51:19.240 --> 01:51:24.360
Dr. Raza. That was a lot of fun. And until next time, and I want to remind everyone,

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if you want to watch more show, we'll be doing UFC 10 p.m. tonight Eastern sometime early morning in the

01:51:33.140 --> 01:51:41.300
UK. And then tomorrow Sunday, John Brissum on the Trump Epstein emails. So that should be a

01:51:41.300 --> 01:51:48.300
banger of the show as well. Thank you, everyone for coming out. Much love hugs and kisses.

01:53:04.660 --> 01:53:11.140
All due respect with you because you usually are pretty good at coming at it from an angle that

01:53:11.730 --> 01:53:17.640
you have no political, you know, leaning one way or the other. So you're a little bit more

01:53:19.660 --> 01:53:22.000
able to come at this from different angles.

