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Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know

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You're listening to the Tom Woods show

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Hey, everybody Tom Woods here it's episode 2745 of the Tom Woods show

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I got a two-parter for you today first part is just me talking and the second part

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I'm gonna bring on a guest and the first part. I want to sit and think about

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What strategy has the best chance of working?

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I mean here we are those of you who listen to this program or the sort of person who

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You know would read my email newsletter my books or whatever

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We look at the world roughly the same way and it is not the way we want it

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and our country is not the way we want it and

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It's not even close to the way we want it and the question is what do we do about that and I I

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Have heard all kinds of suggestions that are bound to not work

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And we've tried a whole bunch of strategies that don't work

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So I think about this a lot and when I a few weeks ago spoke of the New Hampshire Liberty Forum

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Which is sponsored by the Free State Project. I

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I had opportunity to reflect on this and I started off by saying now

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They're gonna post my remarks sometime soon, but I'll give you the gist of what I had to say I

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reminded people of the 1902 book by Vladimir Lenin, you know the

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the Bolshevik the the terrible

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tyrant of

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Soviet Russia

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He had a book called what is to be done and in that book

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He's thinking about what is to be done to advance the cause of the socialist revolution around the world

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but in particular in

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Backward Russia

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Which is not the kind of place marks had in mind for the spreading of the revolution that it hadn't yet passed

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Through the economic stages that it would need to pass through for it to be ready for the revolution

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But but also he was asking what is to be done because the problem was in effect

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What is to be done with these dumb workers who if you leave them to their own devices?

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They're just gonna be content to form labor unions and try to agitate for slightly increased wages

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But still consent to a system that more or less

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Enslaves and exploits them according to Lenin and so that's not good

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So how do we break them out of that way of thinking when he had a whole theory?

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We need to have a

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Vanguard of the proletariat we need to have an intellectual class that would go and rouse the proletariat out of its slumber and

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Make sure it understands that you can't you can't compromise with

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You know with a system that exploits you by you know by having labor unions or whatever you need to overthrow the whole thing

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So anyway, so he was looking at strategic questions

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What strategy should we follow to be successful? And I said to the people in New Hampshire. We have our own what is to be done?

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because we hold a very unpopular position like the positions that you and I hold as

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Let's say I mean you could say libertarian that word has almost been destroyed

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But I mean I think of myself as basically a right winger who is not naive about the state

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There are a lot of oh Jesus. They're right-wingers who are naive about the state

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So I'm one who isn't and that's an unpopular position. How do we know that's an unpopular position because almost nobody agrees with us

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We let's face it. There are a lot of people who see the world the way we do in some ways not in others

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Okay, I'm happy to have friends who are not exactly like me

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but in terms of the whole package we have a pretty unpopular position and

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Part of the reason that we have an unpopular position is that the state's own schools are educating people by and large most people are educated

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In the state schools and these schools depend on your believing the state propaganda

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And so that is what they dutifully impart to you

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You look up on the wall of your classroom

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And it's the it's the u.s presidents looking you know with their benign visages looking upon you

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from their perch up at the top of the wall

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And that colors the way

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The history is taught the way civics or quote social studies

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Might be taught and so on and so you leave

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Those institutions thinking well if it weren't for the state, where would we be we'd all be working in mines?

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You know 16 hours a day for 10 cents an hour

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We'd be getting our limbs blown off because our computer monitors would be dangerous without

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Adequate regulation the food we eat would be poisoning us so we'd be dropping dead from that

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And thank goodness. We have the state. We don't have these dumb

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opponents of the state

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You know who obviously hate science and they hate fresh food and they hate non-exploding monitors and all that

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And so they think that every advance that we have is because of the state

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In fact when I was flying into

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New Hampshire, I actually flew into Boston

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And at Logan airport they had this display about the space program

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And of course they have to give you the propaganda about the crossover technology from the space program into civilian

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Use which they they do also when they talk about the military. They say if it weren't for all the military spending

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We wouldn't have all these technologies

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And now there's a lot that can be said about that and I've written a little bit about that

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That's neither here nor there, but for example, we were seeing that

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Thanks to the space program. We have memory foam

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Like we would never have developed memory foam

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If it weren't for the who knows how much has been blown on the space program

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But but my favorite one was de icing equipment

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We have de icing equipment thanks to the space program and I thought you know

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I have a funny feeling we would have figured out how to conquer ice

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Even if it you know if it weren't for the space program, we'd still figure that out

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I just can't imagine we'd be standing there gazing at the ice and thinking

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I don't know. I don't know what to do with that. I just you know

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But that's but we people absorb that because that's the way their brains have been trained

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They they've been trained to to take in information like this

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And assimilate it into a way of thinking that already presumes that innovations like that must have had some kind of

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state involvement

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Then we have the other we have several other reasons that it's hard to get our point of view across

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One is once there's some government program in place

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An interest group develops around it and it becomes very very difficult if not impossible to dislodge it because of the strength

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Of that interest group

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Then we have the fact that human nature is such that people prefer to achieve their goals

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Using the least possible exertion

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Now what is the way to achieve your goal with the very least possible exertion will achieve it through state power

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Because instead of actually having to work for you just agitate for it politically and you get it

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So naturally people like that people prefer that

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And when we're against that kind of institution

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Well, they don't they don't care for that and then of course that we have the military aspect of things

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now the the military is is is uh

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I mean

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The the preparation for an execution of war has helped to grow the institution of the state all over the world

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There's tremendous scholarship on that

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But in the united states in particular

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There's just something about the military is everywhere. It's a you know, it's at the super bowl. It's at your local restaurant where

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People who are on the payroll and the military getting tax dollars get a discount at the the restaurant or at whatever it is

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The military is just everywhere. You're on an airplane and there's somebody in the military on it

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So at the end everybody stands up and cheers. It's absolutely everywhere

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and

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I think a lot of people think to themselves

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Well, yes, it may be true that milk subsidies are a bad idea or obama care is a problem

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But the military that's different. My uncle's in the military, you know, and my uncle's a good guy

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And I think because we all have somebody in the family or a next door neighbor or a co-worker or a friend or whoever

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We all have somebody we know in the military

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So we become very sensitive to criticism of the military, you know, because you you feel like i'm i'm i'm, you know

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criticizing

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You know, uncle frank

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When I criticize the military, you know, wait a minute

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Careful of what you say about the military. Uncle frank is in that

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So there's some of that but there's also that they've made it so that people feel like the military is them or represents them

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or represents quote america

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Do you support america?

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Well america is the institutions and the people

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Not the government, but we have been

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bamboozled into thinking that so if you say

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Well, this is a terrible war

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it's unjust and and

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The u.s. government shouldn't have launched it

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People take this personally

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You know, which makes no sense at all if you can see the world clearly. There's no reason that should offend you

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Because i'm not criticizing you

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i'm criticizing these people who run the thing

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and

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I promise you

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They would not you know, we have all these people who will make every excuse in the world

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For the war mongers of both parties they make every excuse in the world

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Oh, they had to launch the war because you know, there were weapons of mass destruction or whatever

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They run around looking for ways to defend their overlords

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You know, they they they dig up. Oh, well, I read this article that said that saddam had such as that

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Long after the overlords have themselves given up these arguments these poor souls

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Ordinary americans are still trying to find ways to defend them and I I keep wanting to tell these people

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If the situation were like when when you

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Are accused of not paying enough of your taxes or violating some regulation

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I promise you the regime is not going to return the favor looking for excuses for you

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So you don't owe them this you don't owe them the unpaid labor

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Of going around trying to find evidence to support their war propaganda, you know, they wouldn't do the same for you

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So no need to do unpaid labor for them

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But it's it's like some kind and I felt for this too when I was a you know

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I was younger when I was growing up as a teenager

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I thought war was entertainment. You know, there's a war on tv. That's pretty cool

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I'll watch that. It's really great to see the u.s. Government vanquishing the bad guys, you know, otherwise, what do you hate america?

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I mean it was that low that was it was that low iq the way I thought about it

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But there are a lot of people who looking at that way that you are criticizing quote, you know, you hate quote america

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No, it's precisely that I love america. I I this is a beautiful country

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It's it's that I love it that I don't want it to be run by crazy people

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Who make crazy decisions

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That I know I know

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There's propaganda that sounds persuasive if you haven't looked into it, you know

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We've been at war with iran for 47 years or they've killed all these americans

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Whatever then you look at it in a little depth and you say, okay. Well

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Here they go again

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But it's but they've got it. They've really been very successful with at least a chunk of america

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that

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If you criticize war or the military, it's that you hate the country now if I criticize milk subsidies

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I don't hate the country for some reason. It's just if you criticize this one government program

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You hate america

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So it's you know, it's very hard to get through

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To people like this

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Especially when they've they've had example after example of these military adventures gone terribly wrong

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And it's incredible. They just learned nothing from it

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So we really do have a what is to be done problem. Okay, how do we persuade these people?

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Not to believe lies or not to favor things that are going to make them worse off

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The wars are going to make them worse off the the domestic policies. They favor

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I'm going to make them worse off

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And you know, sometimes the wars are favored by some people the domestic policies are favored by others

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Sometimes there is people who favor both of those things

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But none of them are going to make them better off

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And the and the thing is a lot of what you and I believe is counterintuitive, you know, if I say

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It's better not to have the economy centrally plan

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Well, yeah, people kind of have heard that by now because central planning failed so badly

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But there's a you can imagine people thinking but yet shouldn't it shouldn't it work?

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Wouldn't it be better if we had

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People planning out the economy instead of it being governed by a quote anarchy of production where everybody decides

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What they're going to produce and where they're going to work and what skill they're going to cultivate

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That seems like that would be quote anarchic and inefficient wouldn't be much more efficient if we had like a single mind

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Overseeing the whole thing coordinating it. It's not intuitive that that actually doesn't work

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That sounds right on some level doesn't it?

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But as we know from the socialist calculation problem, it's not right

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But even einstein couldn't get that one

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Even einstein kind of felt like well, maybe it would be better to plan the economy that way

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Or if you want something just pass a law you want air-conditioned workplaces

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Force that into existence

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now that

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Is a very bad idea

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And but I don't want to spend the time on that right now. You would get air-conditioned workplaces

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automatically

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On their own

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Through market mechanisms. Now if you don't believe me, I can talk about that on another episode

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But the point is it sounds though like if you want something like that, you should just pass a law and get it

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But if you do that what you're actually going to do is make a lot of jobs unaffordable to businesses

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You know like when a technology like air conditioning immediately, you know it first comes onto the scene

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It would be enormously expensive to supply it to everyone

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So if you demanded that right away, that would just mean well, that's the end of air conditioning because it

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Can't be afforded and all those jobs would be wiped out

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So what actually happens is air-conditioned workplaces gradually get introduced on these grounds that

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People would rather work in air-conditioned comfort over at this firm

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So this firm installs the the air conditioning a lot of people want to go there

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If you're going to entice me to work for your firm

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But you're going to pay the same wage that i'm getting or the same salary that i'm getting over this comfortable air-conditioned firm forget it

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You won't be able to do it

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So what eventually happens is

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The firm will introduce air conditioning because then

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The only the only way they could get people over to their firm is either install the air conditioning or pay people more

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A compensating differential. It's called pay people more to endure the heat

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But eventually as technology develops air conditioning becomes cheaper and cheaper

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To the point where it would be cheaper just to install the air conditioning

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Then have to pay the wage differential to the worker to get him away from the air-conditioned firm

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I said I wasn't going to go into this and now I just did it. So that's the that's basically the the quick version

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So the question is this

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Uh

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You know, we have I think a good set of ideas that lead toward peace and prosperity

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But we have a system in which we don't really have that much opportunity to convey this to the public

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Now it's true. Now we have the internet

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But can we really reach quite enough people?

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You know in a five minute youtube video to overcome 12 plus years

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Of indoctrination in the official, you know indoctrination buildings. I I don't know

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and then let's also remember

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That most people

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Really do just conform

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Most people are not independent thinkers. They oh, they say they are they say they are

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But then I talked to them for five minutes and I can see they have every conventional view under the sun

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I mean after all even skeptic magazine

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There's a magazine called skeptic and you flip through it and yeah, it's skeptical. All right

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It's skeptical of witches

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It's skeptical of people who are critical of the covid vaccine

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It's skeptical of people who are critical of the covid lockdowns. That's the kind of skepticism we have there

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Well, that's about as much skepticism as you get from a lot of people

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They really do accept what's uh, what's told to them

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and

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You know, here we are

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Taking a position that involves believing kind of the opposite of what everyone has told them

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You know from everything from money to the way the economy works to

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To the world and war

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We have some stuff to say that's very much the opposite of what what's people what people have been told

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So what is the what is the thing to be? How do we?

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Fix this problem. How do we make progress in this kind of situation?

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And people used to ask me that I would give you know, I used to do a lot of public speaking

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And I would speak on academic topics. I would teach people something

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And then afterward they would say, you know, this knowledge is all great

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But what do we actually do like what should we do to create a better more livable society?

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That's more in line with our vision

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And that question really did sting because I I didn't really know the answer. I don't know what the answer is

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I honestly don't know I would say I'm not the strategy guy

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You know, I feel like there's there's no harm in giving you this knowledge

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And that is that has to be a portion of it education has to be part of it

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We have to be able to defend ourselves and when you're educated into these ideas you do find them compelling

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but

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What do we do and that is what I find so appealing about the free state project

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Which I assume people listen to me know about but just in case you don't

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The strategy there is we pick a state and they chose new hampshire and a whole bunch of us move there

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And this concentrated group of us will not be the majority

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But we will be extremely active

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And we will change the culture and politics of that state and it has indeed happened

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And so that the reason I like that strategy is that that strategy does not require us to be the majority

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Because as I've said that doesn't look like it's in the cards

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It it runs against every instinct of human nature and plus it we're up against the educational establishment

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That has custody of the minds of so many people for x hours a day for 12 years of their lives or 13 years

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Uh, that's really hard. But what if we could take the minority that we are

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But really concentrate ourselves

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In one place and make the numbers that we do have count

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And that's what the free state project

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Does now let me double check here. I don't want to give you the wrong thing

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So i'm going to type in something into the old the old computer here it is

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Oh, that is not correct. Let me let me check. Good thing. I looked

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Good thing all woods took a look at this

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The website is is um

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fsp.org free state project.org

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So I was there because I wanted to encourage that

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And because I intend to move to new hampshire in the coming years

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It'll be a while but I I want to be part of that and I think also

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The education is part of it. But as we've said, it's not enough

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Um, I don't think we can educate enough people and even if we did educate a whole lot of people

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Then we we could be just very oppressed educated people, you know, there has to be another

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Dimension of this so I do like the free state

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strategy, but I also think that

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Yes, I know some people will be unhappy with me, but I think politics plays some role

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Especially on the state and local level the federal level you may say is a lost cause

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But on the state and local level you can accomplish things

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You know and and yet I know there are some libertarians who think it's immoral to vote

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I absolutely reject that. There's no reason that that it's immoral to vote. Why would it be immoral to cast a vote?

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um

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Lysander spooner used to who is a better

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Uh libertarian than almost anybody listening to this right now

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Said it's you can use it as a defense mechanism

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You know if if somebody is pledged to do something evil to you

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And you can maybe help stop it by casting a vote go ahead and do it

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Like I was even in an argument online with somebody who thought it was immoral to vote against

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Uh a tax increase referendum

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That it was immoral to try to stop that by means of voting

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So I like to say if I were in a concentration camp and the concentration camp guard said to me

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Woods were all taking a vote of you concentration camp inmates

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And if if a majority of you votes to be freed we're going to let you go

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Could you imagine saying nope? Sorry? I can't quote consent to the system by voting

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So I'm going to stay here. You'd have to be out of your mind

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Okay, and so I do think there are some things in which politics can be helpful

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Uh particularly on the state and local level but also remember even Murray Rothbard who is a better

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Anarcho-capitalist than you probably even Murray Rothbard said there are some things that is hard to see

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How a completely non-political approach could have solved them because I know there are

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Cases where outside of politics great accomplishments have been made the homeschooling movement is an example

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That came about just spontaneously as a social phenomenon. That wasn't like, you know, we didn't vote that into existence

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That just happened and homeschoolers just presented that to society as a fate to complete

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You know, what are you going to do about it? We're here. There are millions of us. What are you going to do about it?

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Okay, so that can happen and I I'm all in favor of it when that happens

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However, uh, how were we going to get the corn laws repealed?

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you know and and uh

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The corn laws are of course a British problem, but still

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For 30 years basically the corn laws made food more expensive than it would have been otherwise

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Which is an antisocial and evil thing

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And in 1846 the corn laws were repealed now

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They were not repealed because all of society

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became

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anti-statist philosophically and they decided to work together to undermine

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The corn laws, uh, you know, you know using civil disobedience that did not happen

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I would love if that happened

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But as I told you most people are conformists and and they're normies and they're not going to do that

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I wish they would but they're not going to do that

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likewise

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Andrew Jackson

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Prevented the renewal of the charter of the second bank of the united states. That was great. That was a great move by him

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So that didn't happen because everybody got together and said

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You know the paper money put out by this institution is bad and we should stop accepting it

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And instead we should create our own alternative. Again. I wish that were the way it happened

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That would be great. I would be all on board for that

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That's not how it happened and I don't think there's any prospect of that kind of thing happening

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Um

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Most people are normies

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You know, I mean we can do what we can to educate them and get the word out but

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At some level you got to just do what you got to do and uh, if you have an Andrew Jackson who will

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Refuse to

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To charter that thing again

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I'll take that as the solution because at least the right thing gets done

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so, uh, so

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That's where I'm going to be. It's going to take me a while because I have family reasons holding me

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In in god-awful, florida where I am now now. It's a lovely place politically

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There are a lot of great things that have been done in florida, and I'm very grateful

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For the experience we had during coven that it was pretty normal down here

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But it's it's inhuman how hot it is in central florida. It's not as it is

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unsuited for human habitation

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so

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I'm getting the heck out of here

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And I am planning to go to new hampshire and what I like about it is not just that

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It's a bunch of like-minded people, you know who arrive there to try to make favorable changes

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But you know there is also a social aspect like we're not meant

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You know despite the caricature of libertarianism. We're not meant to to be alone

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And we're not they think that libertarians don't want to cooperate with other people

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Yes, we do. We just don't want to do it with a gun to our heads. Of course. We want to cooperate

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Uh, and there is a tremendous social aspect of the free state project. They hold events

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Um, so I think they're hitting all the different aspects that are necessary that they've got politics and at

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Just the right level where it's not the be all and end all but it's not nothing

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You don't have to be involved with politics at all to be in the free state project

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You don't want to you just work on what you want to work on you do what you want to do

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You just live free

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So fsp.org

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I would urge you to check that out

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So now I want to do something different

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and bring on

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My friend mark monoscalco. So let's see if I can get him on the screen

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All right, and here is mark monoscalco

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Hooked up with me mark is my hawaii-based friend who was at the you were at the 2000th tom would show episode. Were you not?

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I was at 1000 2000. I'm looking forward to 3000 tom. Well

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Yeah, we'll see

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The unfortunate part about cutting down a number of episodes per week is going to take us a lot longer to get to 3000

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Yeah, and I don't know if I feel like oh anyway

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We'll argue this later whether I feel like doing a big deal for 3000 or what I'm going to do but

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Anyway, 3000 episodes. What's the matter? What who would do that? Well? Anyway, let's get to the point

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The point is mark monoscalco who has been out there fighting this battle

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And uh for a long time and as a matter of fact, I recall from the 2000th episode

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He was one of the contestants in our little family feud game

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And when each contestant was introducing himself mark introduced himself as mark monoscalco

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From the union of soviet socialist islands because he lives in he lives in Honolulu

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So it's an uphill battle over there

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But doggone he's been fighting it and he's just released this brand new book

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Featuring a forward by a certain dr. Ron paul you may have heard of and it's called the forbidden idea

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Subtitle hidden truths about individual liberty economic freedom political philosophy in history

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It more or less. Well, I don't know why I'm I'm doing the telling people what the book is because it's your book

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But I still feel compelled to do it

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It's going to trace the idea of freedom as you see it

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Developing in fits and starts over the centuries. There's a big history section in here

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That goes that goes from the ancient world and then bit by bit you start to see the puzzle pieces coming together

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Until you get to the end of the book where the whole puzzle is put together

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But it's also it's not just history. It's also a discussion of the ideas themselves

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It's a discussion of where we need to go from here because we're not exactly living up to these ideas anymore. So so that's

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So that's where we are

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I I can't help asking me. We do have books on libertarianism out there

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What what's the motive? What's the motivation behind this first of all?

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I wrote this book to help calm your inner turmoil

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And when I say that to my friends everybody looks at me like there's something wrong with me because that's totally out of character

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For me to say something on those lines

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But actually because of you, um, I calmed my inner turmoil way back when

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I was just beginning to decide I needed to know a little bit more about libertarianism

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I was at

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A long time just a lazy libertarian. I didn't really pay any attention

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I liked the big picture stuff, you know, no taxes and all the other goodies that go with that

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And that was good enough. Um, but I felt really

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Uncomfortable not being able to explain myself in depth

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So, uh, I don't remember how it happened, but I came across a podcast the tom wood show that, uh

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On the the exit of the show

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Um

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Assured me that I would become a smarter libertarian in 30 minutes per day

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And actually it worked. Um started reading

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Uh, you know, or big enthusiastic

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Uh supportive Rothbard. I had never read anything

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From Rothbard and just reading this one for a new liberty is enough to

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Leave you with a completely different outlook on the world. So I wanted to influence

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my friends

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that are

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so

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Disappointed with the current political situation. They're disgruntled. They're

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They're angry. I mean, there's people that I can't actually have a

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Conversation with a lot of them starting to yell and scream

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um, it got worse

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after the

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The midterm elections and

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22 and everybody expected the republicans have this big red wave and that didn't happen and

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I don't people just felt like there was no hope

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so

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This book is there to explain the fundamental philosophy

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Uh, where it came from the history that's behind it

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And give them a little bit of hope because there's a concluding chapter

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is a lot of um

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Practical

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Suggestions to make things better. That's why I wrote it

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Everybody I got some bad news for you, but then also some good news the bad news

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We're living through historic deficits persistent inflation and a federal reserve that can't unwind what it's created

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That's why gold is back in the spotlight not as a trade, but as real money

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Here's the problem most gold just sits in a vault. It protects purchasing power. Sure, but it doesn't generate income

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Monetary metals changes that they let you earn a yield on gold paid in gold

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I lease my gold through monetary metals and earn a return of around 4% annually paid in physical ounces

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So I keep my gold and I get more gold over time

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So that means I benefit from rising gold prices and I grow my holdings in ounces

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No paper promises. No fiat payouts gold becomes a productive yield bearing asset again

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The fed can print dollars. They can't print gold

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Learn more at monetary-metals.com slash woods and see how you can start earning a gold income

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That's monetary-metals.com slash woods

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So I definitely want to talk about some of those but I guess the idea would be that

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These ideas that dr. Paul defended and that we all cherish

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um

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They had to go through and off, you know quite a long period of evolution to get to

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You know their final mature form

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They could have been snuffed out at any time, but they weren't and so here they are

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And so, you know, they can always, you know, they're they're they're still there as a guide

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As as something to aspire to

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Something to learn from

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so

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Let's start then at the very beginning. So the very beginning you're just going to lay out exactly what this philosophy is now

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this book

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Has a lot of personalities that people will know and a lot of personalities they won't know but should

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But it also, um, you also made a rather deliberate decision

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Not to include a whole bunch of the bad guys

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So because you can read you can read a book about marx, you know, but this is our book

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This is our book talking about our people and our ideas

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Yeah, if you if you wanted to refute all of the collectivist ideas the book would have been

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You know 1500 pages long, right? So you had to stop somewhere

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And we left out the we left out the collectivists. They're they're mentioned occasionally when

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One of our heroes refutes them, but besides that we don't bring them up

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Yeah, so it's a positive exposition of the ideas as opposed to defending it from critics

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We have defenses from critics

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But here's a here the idea is that the ideas sell themselves the ideas are

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attractive

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As soon as you encounter them and here's your opportunity

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In this book here to encounter them. So

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How do you describe them?

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What what's the basic gist of what it is that you're defending?

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So the book starts out with the basic philosophy and I wanted to lay out the basic philosophy in a simple and understandable

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method

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I'm certainly that trying to rewrite the

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Any of Rothbard's great treatises, right? I'm not trying to rewrite

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The foreign new liberty or the ethics of liberty. I'm just trying to

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condense

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everything that I've

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Been exposed to and so I've got it in six chapters. It's only 40 pages

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and

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I think that covers the entire fundamental philosophy

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So we start out with a definition of individual liberty, which that was an interesting exercise

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I

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attend

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Quite a few events that attract the liberty-minded people

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And for a couple years in a row at freedom fest, I would walk around in the exhibit hall and

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In between

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seminars and talk to folks in the in the liberty movement people that I you know

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I have a lot of respect for people that have accomplished quite a bit

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And I asked everybody the same question. What's your definition of individual liberty?

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And they you know, there was an overarching theme that was among everybody, but for the most part everybody had a different definition

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That I found

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Disturbing I thought, you know, this is something that we all should agree on and it should be concise

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So my research

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Across all of the different

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Philosophers and authors that we have in our liberty movement

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Brought me to the definition that I'm going to present

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And my definition of individual liberty is the absence of coercion

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It's extremely short

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I like it because

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it's got a the negative connotation which we'll talk about in a minute, but

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It reflects the negative rights that is a fundamental part of our

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uh

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natural rights philosophy

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so, uh, we define

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individual liberty and then we move on to, um

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Interesting lean enough heavy did define coercion that came straight from Rothbard. There's a few others high I can't something interesting

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But but Rothbard's got this really concise really precise definition

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of coercion

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And um, then we moved on to discuss natural law

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And how natural law predates

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all government

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And Bastiat says it best

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Man does not have life liberty and property because government has made laws

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Rather

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There are laws

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Because man already had

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life liberty and property

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so our natural laws are

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Inherent and above any man made

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law

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The natural laws also include natural rights

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There's some discussion of natural rights the kinds of why don't I have why don't I have a right to a car?

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you have

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A right to life liberty and property that I think we can just start with three really simple ones and

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The

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Right to life the right to liberty the right to property does not require anybody else

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To do anything. There's no services needed to be provided by someone else

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There's no goods needed to be provided by someone else

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You are to be left alone

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No one is to kill you that's your right to life

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Uh, no one is to steal

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Your property

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That's your right to property. No one is to enslave you that's your right to liberty. It doesn't require anybody else's

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um

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It doesn't require imposing

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Anything on anyone else

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So no

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So how sorry you do not have a right to a car

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Because if I were to claim one that would in order to fulfill that somebody would have to do something

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They have to go build me something

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They'd have to go they'd have to do it have to be forced labor for me

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And we already said that that that's no can do it's not allowed

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Can't do that and it's an interesting thing and this is something that

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uh

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The last chapter in the philosophy section is specifically about negative rights and positive rights

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and what you're what you're um

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suggesting is that you have a positive right to a car

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which means someone has to do something to provide you with that car

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but the uh

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natural rights

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That we have inherently are all negative rights. No one's required to do anything for those

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And what that means is that those natural rights are universal

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That everybody has that right

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And it's simultaneous

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Everyone can exercise that right at the same time

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That's a concept that

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When people have read the people that have read the book and we've had conversations with

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That seems to be new to just about everybody

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That they hadn't heard that before they they may have heard it and they just didn't realize

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how

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um fundamental it is

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so if

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If someone is making a and this is why this is important when you're listening to someone else

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And they're making a claim

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and people usually dress up, you know

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People are eloquent dress up their claims and all sorts of

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flowery language and make it sound so

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so

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important

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but if you can

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really dissect it and try to find out exactly what it is they're making a claim on

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um

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Almost everybody's making a claim for a positive right

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And once you realize it's a positive right

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Then you can just work through all of the

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Other knowledge you have and you know, you can explain why that's

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a violation of natural law natural rights now what you're describing is

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a system in which

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There's in which there's a

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moral presumption against coercion

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and in favor of

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peaceful coexistence with other people

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And uh, obviously this has very radical conclusions. I used to assign

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Frederick Bastiat's book the law to my students back in my old professor days

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And a lot of us read the law

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It's a tiny little book and we all we thought it was persuasive and a a neat little exposition of the ideas

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but

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I would say

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75 percent of the people in the classroom could not understand it

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That had no idea what the point was

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So I had to explain to them. Do you understand what the implications of these ideas are?

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He's basically saying that

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Virtually everything the government does is illegitimate because it involves

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So-called legal plunder and involves doing things

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That individuals wouldn't themselves be allowed to do

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So how do they become morally allowed to do them when they combine together in a group?

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And this just shocked that this is this had just flown right over their heads

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um

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But

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Likewise, what you're talking about that there's such a thing as self ownership

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From which a lot of these ideas then flow as a logical conclusion

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This has very radical conclusions for what

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We would consider legitimate government action

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Does it not?

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I think the coercion is really to focus

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I'm not saying that there should be no

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um

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organized

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group and society that

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is allowed

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to

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Manage our affairs. I think it would be perfectly acceptable

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to allow

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a group that I voluntarily join

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And I voluntarily support with my my money

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to

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provide defense for me or to provide

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any other service that I

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I

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Decide that it's a good idea and I'm willing to voluntarily pay for it

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and voluntarily leave it

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If I decide I don't like the service they're providing and I get to go somewhere else

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Um, that's a much different thing government government is a monopoly on violence

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And it's a monopoly a territorial monopoly

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um

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Hans hapa has a really great quote later in my book and when we get into the history section

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um talking about how

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Limited government is an impossibility like squaring the circle like once you

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Allow an organization to have a monopoly over a territory to uh enact laws and enforce those laws

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Uh, it's impossible for that organization not to write the laws and enforce the laws in its own favor

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And he said the same thing about money

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if you allow a

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organization to have territorial monopoly

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and

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Have the ability to print money. Uh, it's uh, it's uh

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Unrealistic to expect that that organization isn't going to print the money to use it to their own advantage

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So that I think

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Is what the real

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um underlying issue is

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that's not

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The first thing we can explain to people because that's a little bit advanced

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They need to understand the fundamental principles first

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I set the book up

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intentionally to do that talking about the fundamentals

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um making sure that there's a

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base that they can work from

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Working through the history and I didn't have to rearrange history history works out this way

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that uh history

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builds on

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previous events and previous

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um

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knowledge

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and we get um more

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and more

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um detailed explanations of how

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a um

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Society could function without

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Cooperation right that wasn't something that people were talking about

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at 1200

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um, but it is something that became

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Uh a reasonable conversation in the 20th century and now today

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um thanks to

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our dr. Paul and all of the other people that were uh

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Caught up in that movement. We've got

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many people who are

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proponents

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Of a society that's based on voluntary cooperation and not coercion not violence

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Well, and a lot of where where it comes from, uh

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Or well, let me put it this way one of the reasons that I was drawn to that

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was that it seemed like everything

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Short of that ultimately led to the situation we have now

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So in other words if you say well, we'll just let the government do this or let it do that

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but if you give it

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The kinds of powers that most people are prepared to give it

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They're going to use those powers to get to the stage where they are now like there's no

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There's no stable equilibrium where it'll just stay at the quote limited government stage. That's a problem

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There is no equilibrium that just keeps it there

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And I realize that's clearly the case

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And so

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You know, I just don't want the thing

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I don't want the thing expanding in any in any way now. Well, you and I are describing, you know, a lot of times

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In my constitutionalist days, I would say, you know, we have to get back to the founding fathers

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And we have to get back to the old republic and I would consider that to be a great step forward

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But I also realized that if I were to describe to my fellow citizens what that old republic looked like

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And what it would mean in terms of the powers of government, the vast majority of my fellow countrymen would be horrified

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Um, because how do I know that? Because I look at polling data about what areas of the budget do they favor cutting

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essentially none of them

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But yet to get to where we want to be you'd have to cut them all

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so

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Does it not seem like it's it's a hopeless fight that we have this admittedly very attractive set of ideas, but

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um

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For a lot of people, they're just not going to be attractive

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So that's where uh, I've noticed over the years you and I do have a difference of opinion. Um

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I believe that it is possible

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to persuade

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our

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Friends and neighbors. Um, I talk about building little platoons

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building on the the the human

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concept

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and um

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I I'm

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Convincing my little platoons out here that the most important thing

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That we can espouse is cutting spending

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That's much easier to talk about cutting spending on a local and state level than it is at the federal level

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But I think people need to hear that need to hear that that's the only way out of this

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especially

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with the skyrocketing

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debt that we're facing and the amount of

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money that they're printing to

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monetize that debt

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we're

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Certainly not going to survive on this

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path that we're on

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And the only way off that path is cut spending and

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if

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You know if I was going to just buckle in and say, okay

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Tom's right

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We're never going to cut spending we'll never be able to do that

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Then I think the real answer is you become a proper

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And you buy a ranch out in Idaho and dig a bomb shelter and start filling it with canned goods, right?

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You know, I live in an urban area. I live in hunt. I live on an island

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You know, we're the most icily to place on earth

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As soon as the supply chain breaks down, that's it. We all starve. Well, not all of us

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Some of us would probably resort to cannibalism. So they they would survive but everybody else would starve, right?

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so

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The only way out for me I'm not

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I'm just not an outdoorsy kind of guy. I wouldn't survive very well in Idaho

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Especially if I had to like raise my own cattle. I would be completely out of out of place

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It's the light for that for me

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So my only hope is that I persuade enough people to cut spending

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And they go out and persuade enough people to cut spending

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And that becomes

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The battle cry

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right

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That I think

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Is the only way out of it. Well, I don't want to give away everything that's in it

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But give me a few thoughts that you have about

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Other than educating people about the principles of liberty. I mean, this is like

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Get everybody to have a pocket constitution. I mean, let's

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I'm not against that but what else you got in terms of

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What are practical things people can do not to solve the whole problem

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immediately

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But to, you know, maybe make some noticeable

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finite changes in the right direction

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so

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I'm gonna I'm gonna really take it

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um as the first step

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Is you got to continue your education and the philosophy and history of individual liberty

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so if you read

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the

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Forbidden idea you'll get a really

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condensed

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but thorough

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um

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Education and the philosophy of individual liberty. So you'll have that

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you'll get a

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somewhat broad but

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Still condensed

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Version of the history of the individual liberty and in the history you're gonna you're gonna learn

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um

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The real heroes the people that have done the most right

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So you'll know the philosophy. You'll know the the history if you if you if you read the book

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and then

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dig a little deeper. Um, I've got a

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um

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Curated reading list out on the web that I think is you know, of course I did it. So I think it's great, right?

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but but

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most of the

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um information

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In my book in the forbidden idea comes from the texts in a curated reading list

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So there's

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Curated reading lists has uh what I call the essential reading. There's 12 essays and books

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That cover

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I think all the different concepts that we need to have

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um

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Convince people to read

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convince people to talk about it

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So when you're trying to build your little platoons

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You know just saying cut spending isn't that that's not enough to get people enthusiastic

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You can you can talk about

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The principle of self ownership

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And for a lot of people that you know, they you know inherently they understand it, but they haven't heard it

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they don't know the um

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The terminology and that gives them something that they can use

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To talk to other people. So it's a little bit of an it's a little off the subject, but

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This is just about uh similar

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To being around people that are wine geeks, right people that are wine geeks

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They stick their nose in the glaze and he started talking about fruit earth and wood all this sort of thing

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And you're standing there if you're not a wine snob

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You don't

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You don't get it. You don't feel part of it. You can't contribute

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But once you take some time and you learn some of the basics, but then you learn

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the terminology

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Then you can interact with other people, right?

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um

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So yes, uh, you and I might disagree on that a little bit, but continue your education encourage other people to read it

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Next

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Andrew Breitbart's doctrine

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Politics is downstream for culture

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So

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Build your little platoons, right? Your little platoons are people that you're familiar with

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Of course your family

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Your neighbors your friends

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People that you work with

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people that you socialize with people that uh, you come across uh, maybe at your church at

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Wherever you remember your um

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Your your baseball leagues all of those people know who you are they they trust you

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And they'll listen to you and i'm not uh encouraging you to lecture anybody

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I'm just encouraging you to speak honestly when the subject comes up, right?

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When politics comes up

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Don't be quiet

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Express your opinion

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When there's talk of you know discussions about economics don't be you know, don't be the door mouse

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speak up right I

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Most of my life I was the first guy when we were in a social setting

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I would first guy to say to listen and talk about politics or religion

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And uh, you know, I look at that now and it's like

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That didn't make the world a better place at least for me

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so

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Speak up build a little platoon

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encourage your little platoons

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to

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Do the reading encourage your little platoons to

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Spread that message to other people

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those little platoons

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multiply

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and

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Our message is it's

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It's elegant. It's beautiful. It's people accept

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I mean very few people are going to argue with you when you tell them that about the principle of self-ownership, right?

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Now some people might argue about

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Private property right because they think that private property is the root of all evil and blah blah blah

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But very few people are ever going to argue with you about the principle of self-ownership

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Um, very few people argue about the uh, non-aggression principle, right?

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You know when you explain it to them, they feel like that's

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that's

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Human nature that we should obviously follow this right so get your little platoon out there get them

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In a position where they can persuade others make them the evangelists

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Uh, and you know the the overall message that the little platoon

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You know first, of course, they should understand the philosophy and the history and be able to talk about that

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What the message has to be the only way out of the the situation we're in today is cut spending

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and

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we have

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Much more control on a local level

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so

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you know, I

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I feel awkward saying this because this is something I really hate to do but

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Go to your local school board meetings go to the park district meetings go to the municipal government meetings

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You got to show up

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Because when you go to those things look around the room the only people that are there

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Are all the ones that want more spending in bigger government?

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They're the ones who show up every day to those meetings or every time one of those meetings is held

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um

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It's time for us

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The forgotten man and woman to show up

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The the ultimate

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Goal

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The ultimate hurdle, I guess to get over the cutting spending story

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Is what do we do about the federal reserve?

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Because as long as the federal reserve is on the same program that it's on today

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You'll never cut spending at the federal level because they'll just create the money out of thin air

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Um

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Now obviously end of fed

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That fixes it. Um, if that's not possible are there other ways of

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Fixing the problem. Yeah, there are right if we went to a sound money, right if you went to a

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I don't know gold or bitcoin or baskets of commodity

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Not that you have to carry gold coins in your pocket, but you'll have some sort of token

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that is a um

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Is a certain value of gold that people will accept an exchange. I mean, that's what the dollar

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Was right at first. There was no printed money

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People really were walking around with gold coins in their pocket

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and after uh

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the civil war

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started printing

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Dollars but the dollar was

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exchangeable for a certain way to go you could take the dollar into the bank and say give me x amount of gold

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And that's what they would give you by law

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Uh, that would be one way of putting a clamp

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on federal spending and if you go all right just go back

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um across the history of our

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All of our federal problems

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It all gets dramatically worse

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In 1971 after Nixon took the u.s. After gold standard the final

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leg of the gold standard

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all of the charts

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you know underlying inflation

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debt

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uh monetary debasement

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I'll start going straight off

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from that thing

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so

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we could

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I guess

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live with the federal reserve if we're not able to drive a wooden stake through its heart

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um

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We could live with it if we had a currency that couldn't be debased

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So I mean I agree with all these things. I I I don't I don't know how we get to that point

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But I I like

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You do have some practical suggestions here that that you can yeah, you you cannot overnight

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Solve the problems of the federal government. It's beyond reform. So something very very dramatic is going to have to happen

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I like regardless of how many books are read. There are way too many vested interests

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Something dramatic is going to have to happen to change that

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But you can make changes on and your local level starting tomorrow

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Because most people don't even participate in that

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They don't even know what's going on. That's the way the local government likes it by the way

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But that is all low hanging fruit where you can go in there and make genuine changes that make you freer

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There's no doubt about it that you can start doing that, but

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But it's not as fun as you know being involved in a us senate campaign that goes nowhere

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But it but it should be it should be thought of as more fun because more likely

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greater likelihood of success

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Yeah, so I'm fortunate

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to be part of a I'm on the board of directors of a

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state policy think tank here in Hawaii the grassroot institute of Hawaii

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and we're supported by this

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nationwide umbrella organization

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Which is called the state policy network

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as a pn

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If you're interested in really making a difference at your local level

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Get involved

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with one of your state policy think tanks

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Every state's got at least one some have multiple

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think tanks

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and

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you'll be you'll be impressed

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and amazed

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at the amount of

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positive changes

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that they're making

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it's

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it's eye-opening to look through the

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The monthly newsletters and the reports that we get the things that are going on and all across the states

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You know, they're not making as much progress in

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in New York and California as they are

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and let's say Idaho and

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of

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Texas but

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There's progress being made everywhere. So just for one example

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I don't know how many of you remember the jannis the mark jannis decision the supreme court decision

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that overturned

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municipal

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Unions from automatically deducting dues

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from the employees paychecks

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but that

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began

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as a lawsuit filed by

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The Illinois policy institute. It's a state policy

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institute

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in Illinois

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And it went all the way up to supreme court and had no nationwide impact

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Just by working its way through the system that I'm not saying that that's going to happen every time you

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You get involved with the state policy network, but you could

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You could easily have an impact on on little things the little things that make a difference in everybody's life every day

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We're constantly listening to

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complaints about the cost of housing

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And you know, this is hard to believe

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But it appears to be true. I've I've done

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some research on my own but

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What I've seen how it's presented the the research that goes with it seems to be very accurate

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That approximately 50 percent

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Of the cost of housing

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Is due to government regulation

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you know all across the board regulation of

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The production of the lumber regulation of transportation, but the regulation of building the housing itself

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Is extraordinarily expensive. So out here

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To start a really

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poorly

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Maintained starter home

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Is over a million dollars

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So think about that $500,000 of that cost

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Could be

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Managed to to be reduced if government regulation or trim back that's

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That's transformational for people

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So anyway, that was a long story about

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State policy think tanks, but they're effective and

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If nothing else you'll be impressed by the people that are

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Involved because they're enthusiastic

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So for me, I go to freedom fest and um

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You know, it's the same thing. It's it's it's a room full of angry old white men

01:02:30.740 --> 01:02:33.540
Um, I go to the national meeting for the state policy network

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And I look around and the average agent there's got to be in early 40s

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And more than 50 of the people there are women

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That is very uplifting

01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:51.420
There's well that is not true of the listenership of the tom wood show mark monoscalco, but not yet

01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:57.580
I'm not yet, so we're inching our way up there a little bit at a time. We've got we I haven't

01:02:57.580 --> 01:03:00.300
Checked in a while. It's higher than it used to be but

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anyway, well, let me uh

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You have a website for the book. Is that right?

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Yes, I do the forbidden idea dot com the forbidden idea dot com

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Here it is right here for those of you looking at it on the screen and the website has by far

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the most

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Time intensive video

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ever produced. I've got a 40

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I don't know

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45 second video

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That might have taken me three weeks of my time to get that right to get it to work is like

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Yeah, oh, yeah, you could do all these videos with ai. Yeah, guess what you're gonna do it

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But you're gonna do it over 700 times to get it right, but

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That's there. So I hope you enjoy it. Yes. Good. Good. Good. Absolutely. Yes

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So the forbidden idea dot com is where to go to check out the book mark

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Thanks for your great labors and um, I'm glad you uh have this accomplishment under your belt

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Thanks, Tom. It's only because of you

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That's very kind of you to say

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made me curious

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the uh

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Liberty Academy gave me the background and your author academy gave me the uh

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The details I needed to actually get it done. So it's a testament to your dedication. Thanks, Tom

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Thank you mark very much and thank you ladies and gentlemen

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