Hi, this is the Maverick artist Victor Hugo reporting Modern Art Ganzo Journalism for
the Modern Art Music Movement.
It is August 20th, 2025, reporting from the former Soviet Union Republic of Georgia near
the border with Russia, Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.
My job is not to be politically correct.
It is to witness, observe, analyze, and document the beautiful chaos that surrounds
us all so that future generations can understand how we got to this moment in time where I am
blessed to be introduced for the first time to Mr Ian Clifford, and I would like him to
introduce himself to the audience by sharing a little bit about himself.
Welcome to the show, Ian.
Well, thank you, Victor.
I'm very happy to be here.
And I think the audience will, I hope, find what I've got to say interesting because
I've had, like many of us, a very interesting journey.
I think we can all say that.
I think my journey is being particularly interesting if you're interested in what is
really going on with the control agenda and my experience and my story is quite
a stark warning in many ways as to what the crown, what the cabal can do to you
if you step up against them.
If you tell your truth, if you dare to bring solutions to the deliberate
problems which they cause nearly everybody in the game of what I call the game of
commerce or on the monopoly board of commerce.
So I've had a very interesting last 20 years, which is a fairly good place to
start, and there are two documentaries all about it.
One called The Disruptor, which is a journey of my last 20 years made into a
documentary that Netflix are showing interest in.
And there's another one which is currently being made called Entrapment by
Design, and then there'll be another one, which is called, which will be
called basically the way out of the matrix.
It is the great escape from the matrix.
So there will be very shortly three documentaries for people to watch if
they're interested in what I've got to say on this interview.
They may want to watch those and what I'm doing, I think is very unusual in
terms of the remedies I bring.
We have built a very substantial organization worldwide already.
It's getting bigger by the day.
We have members right across the world.
We have some unique solutions for people that are seeking remedy from the
matrix, and that's primarily in focusing on the commerce aspect of the matrix.
But we also have a freedom plan, which I also believe is unique.
I've not seen anybody else try and put this together of completely
independent infrastructure that you can tap into if you're interested in that.
If you're concerned about the control of all of the infrastructure
the governments provide, then we are building our own independent infrastructure.
And unusually, again, we have a hybrid model, which is we have our own nation.
And that nation is an ecclesiastical mission.
It is a registered church so we can offer people superior
jurisdictional shields from the government, from the crown, from the cabal,
because all of our members are actually on a mission.
They are their envoys for our church.
And our church belief is very, very simple.
We're not into complex belief systems.
We are members believed in not harming others.
We've all heard that.
It's not an easy.
It's not a difficult one to get your head round, not causing harm,
not causing loss, operate as the creditor and operate as the beneficiary.
Now, a lot of people talk about those things, but they don't actually
know what that really means in terms of operating as a creditor
or operating as a beneficiary.
We've got four unique programs that are in my opinion,
and I've done exhaustive analysis on it, what everybody else is offering
compared to what we're offering.
We are the market leader, and that's not just me saying it.
It's our members saying it, who give hundreds of testimonials every month
of what it is we're providing to them.
So we've got some interesting things.
I'm very passionate about this.
I work on it seven days a week.
I'm right now in constructive exile because I've been having a very
long on out battle with the British crown, which has been going on since 2005.
There's not much you can tell me about battling against the cabal,
because I've been doing it for 20 years.
I'm still free.
My organization is growing.
I've got an interesting story to tell.
And if your audience is wants to know more, then where would you like
to start, Victor, would you want to start with the back story?
Do you want to start with what it is we're doing right now?
Do you want to look at the entrapment by design, which is fairly unique?
Where do you think your audience would like me to go?
Well, first of all, you seem like a very young man for all of these
accomplishments that you've done.
So that's an inspiration.
Why don't you go ahead and start wherever you feel is best for us
to truly take in what you've accomplished, which from what you just described
is really a lot in, I mean, unless I'm mistaken, you seem quite young.
Well, maybe the camera is doing me lots of favours.
I'm in my 60th year.
I got into commerce when I was 18.
I've built multiple organizations, some of them very large.
I have one of the biggest financial services organizations in the UK
in my early thirties.
I was offered the deal by the cabal, which everybody who rises up high enough
is offered, and I can assure the audience that it's just like the mafia.
If you rise up high enough in any of the pyramids, whether it's commerce,
whether it's health, whether it's music, doesn't matter what it is.
If you rise up high enough in that pyramid, you at some point
will be offered a deal.
I was offered the deal in 2007 by the cabal, by the crown to cross over
to their side, which was the dark side, and I said no.
And ever since then, there's been a persecution.
There's been a destruction.
I've been in court many, many times trying to get remedy
against the cabal, against the crown.
I've learned a huge amount and I think everything I've learned
is benefited what we're doing now for our members.
It's been like a whole journey.
You don't learn these things by reading books.
You learn them by going through the journey.
If I go right back to the beginning, Victor, I was a very keen footballer.
I was offered a professional footballer's contract when I was 17.
I had a car accident when I turned 18, that ruined that career.
I then went into financial services and I soon realised I had a gift.
I could look at people's financial problems and I could come up with plans.
And I soon was recognised all over the UK as one of the guys to go to
if you had a complex problem with your finances.
I had lawyers and accountants.
When I was in my early 20s, these were my introducers.
I used to fix the problems for accountants, clients and lawyers, clients.
I had lawyers and accountants all over the UK that were referring their clients to me.
Quite unusual.
We've all been given a genius talent.
Every single one of us has a genius talent.
My talent is in solving complex problems.
And I used to do it at the individual level.
The individual, you know, the guy who had his business
or the guy who had his high-flying job or whatever he had
and he wanted me to plan all of his finances out for him
and then manage them all going forward.
And that's what I used to do.
But that's a long time ago now.
That's in the very early 1990s where I really became prominent in that.
I started it in about 1984.
So it's many years ago that I did that.
I then moved into developing solutions on a much bigger scale.
And I was able to sign up a joint venture
with one of the biggest banks in the UK called Bank of Scotland.
And they provided me with my organization,
which was medium size at that time, with an unlimited credit line.
That's pretty unusual.
Banks don't normally give that to joint venture partners.
So I had the ability to provide credit to anyone who I wanted to
as long as they bought the programs that my organization was putting together.
And we then delivered a whole range of solutions across the
what's called the wealth management industry.
So if you were a consumer, you would go to an advisor.
They're often called broker dealers.
They're called all different things in different countries.
In the UK, they're called wealth managers.
They manage your wealth.
They manage your finances.
So I was then providing solutions to the wealth managers
that would put them in front of their clients and take them on board.
I'm doing the short version here because it is a story that I could talk a lot about,
but I'm only giving you the broad brush strokes here.
It became one of the biggest financial services organizations in the UK.
And in 2007, I was called to a meeting at the headquarters of the Bank of Scotland
that had then become the Halifax Bank of Scotland
that is now known as Lloyd's Bank, one of the world's biggest banks.
And they offered me a deal.
This is prior to the financial crisis, the alleged financial crisis.
So you have a situation where they're basically saying to me
and that they are going to take my customer's assets to shore up their balance sheet.
Now, if you understand what all the banks did in 2008,
it was an engineered crisis from the central banks down.
All the clearing banks were all on board.
It's all a big cabal.
It's all a mafia group.
And they were offering me a deal.
Do I want to join with them or am I opposed to that deal?
When I said I was opposed to it, over one billion pounds of my customer's assets
were stolen by the bank over the next few years.
And that was part of a 90 billion asset grab across the top six banks.
What they then did to me as they did, what they threatened,
if you're not with us, we will ruin you.
And that's what happens.
If you don't join the mafia, they ruin you.
So what happened to me was they ruined my financial services organization.
They made me a scapegoat for it.
My organization, I am on TV programs.
Suddenly I've become a fraudster.
I've gone from being an award-winning problem solver, wealth manager, fund manager
to suddenly I'm all over the TV in the UK.
There's two TV programs made about it.
There's national radio stations.
There's front page of newspapers.
It's all over the internet.
They make you a scapegoat and they ruin your reputation.
They do, it's the standard playbook that they do.
Because if you stood up against them,
the first thing they're going to do is ruin your credibility.
They did that in 2010.
I then fought back.
I tried to sue the crown.
That's all the big head honchos of the crown.
In the courts, in the high courts, every case I took on against them was rigged.
I did all the legal work myself.
I've never had lawyers working on my cases
because I don't believe in lawyers.
I do all my own work.
What happens then is because I needed licenses to do what I was good at,
I tried seven times to get licenses.
They never gave the licenses because they couldn't
because they can't give a license to a guy that they've ruined their reputation for.
So you don't get a license.
I don't want licenses now.
I'm talking about 15 years ago.
I was trying to get licenses.
There's no way I ever want any license from anybody today.
This is 15 years ago in my story.
But the fact is that I was eligible for licenses to do what I was good at.
They didn't grant them to me.
Why?
Why would they destroy my reputation?
Why would they not give me a license?
And then what they did was they destroyed seven benches that I developed
with big financial services type benches.
Every one of them is destroyed over the next eight years.
And then because I survived all the way through that,
then they tried to jail me in 2018.
And they did it with what I call an entrapment by design strategy.
Now, your audience may or may not know of a guy called Martin Armstrong.
He's known as the forecaster.
He served the longest civil restraint breach of civil constraint order in history.
He was in jail in the US for nearly 10 years for breaching a civil constraint order.
So this is one of the playbooks they use against disruptors like me,
disruptors like Martin Armstrong.
If you've got something which is going to upset their control agenda in some way,
it's going to provide remedy, it's going to provide solutions.
They do not want that.
They want fear.
They want dystopia.
They want everybody to be in that state of anxiety.
Because if you've got all your, if everyone's in that kind of state of mind,
then they're much easier to control.
They do not want people to be free.
They do not want people to have remedies.
They want control and they get it by basically creating a dystopian model.
It's a control model.
Now I come along, Martin Armstrong years ago had remedies.
I have remedies.
What they do is they destroy your remedies and then they destroy your reputation.
And if that doesn't work, then they try and jail you.
So in 2018, they make up a story that I may need a license for what I'm doing in 2018.
I don't and they know I don't.
It goes into the courts.
It's a two year story.
I beat them in the courts.
They didn't jam it.
In 2023, they try again.
This time, they're going to make up another story that what I'm doing may require licenses.
They know that it doesn't need licenses.
Nothing I'm doing at Matrix Freedom or Republic of Old Souls needs any license.
We're a private members organization at Matrix Freedom.
And the Republic of Old Souls is a church ministry and an independent nation.
We don't need licenses to offer what we offer to our members and they know it.
But that's not the point.
They speculate that you might need a license that then they can get a court order to investigate
what you're doing or they already know that you don't need a license.
But that's not their agenda is to jail you for breach of a court order.
So they get a court order and this could happen to anybody.
This is why I'm warning everybody about this is a playbook that they use
against people like me, against doctors, against anyone who stood up against the narrative.
They invent this scenario where they can get an order to investigate.
Then they investigate knowing that they're never going to find anything.
But whilst they're investigating, they frozen all your bank accounts.
They've stopped all your access to running your organization.
You're forbidden from doing anything because they're investigating.
And if you do anything that is against the order, if you try and access any funding from
anywhere, then you're in breach of the order and they can put you in jail for contempt of the court
order. So this is a very long story.
It's all on my website, everything about it.
On July the 30th of 2025, the Crown handed down a one year custodial sentence against me
for breaching an order that was void to begin with.
The reason it was void to begin with is because their prosecutor was invented.
He's actually not a real Crown prosecutor at all.
He's a fictional person, doesn't exist.
They've got no evidence of any wrongdoing.
There's no need for a license.
500 of my members wrote a witness statement, sent it to the court to say that they'd
never been offered any services that require a license.
That's all ignored.
The prosecutor is made up, is invented.
It doesn't exist.
The court never proved it was a real genuine court.
The judge never proved that he'd sworn any oath of office.
So they've got absolutely no substance anywhere.
And the reason why I'm still here talking to you is because I knew
what they were going to do when I was arrested.
I knew it was entrapment by design.
I came into a jurisdiction where they've got no reach.
So I'm in North Cyprus.
Doesn't have any cooperation with the British Crown.
And I'm also a church envoy.
Now, because I'm a church envoy, I can go above the Crown's legal system.
Critically important for everybody who's seeking freedom to realise
that you're never going to get remedy in the legal system.
But you can go above it if you're an envoy for a church.
So if you think about why does someone like Tom Cruise,
why do they represent as an envoy the Church of Scientology?
Why does a lot of the celebrities, why are they paying 10% of their income
to the Church of Scientology?
Are they all crazy?
Or is it because the church gives them protection against the cabal?
And it's the latter.
So if you are a church envoy and you are a president of an independent nation,
now you have diplomatic immunity.
If you're an ambassador at large for an independent nation,
you have diplomatic immunity.
You combine that with church envoy status.
Now you're like the Amish and they can't touch you.
You're not in their system.
You're above their system.
You can go into the international course.
So I'm now suing all the head ponchos of the crown
in the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
I'm also suing them in the Strasbourg Human Rights Court.
Why?
Because I'm a church envoy.
I'm the head of the church.
And what they've done is they've infringed on my human rights
as a church envoy.
Not as a citizen because no citizen has got any human rights.
Only living men that are church envoys have got rights.
Everything else is a myth.
It's a deception.
Nobody's got human rights.
Nobody's protected by the Constitution
because the Constitution is not for the living men.
The Constitution that most people think they're covered by
is for the body corporate, not the living man.
So that's a very, very quick 20 years.
There's lots more to it.
It's all in the Disruptor documentary.
And the last two years is in the Entrapment by Design documentary.
And if you then want to move into what is it we're doing
that stands us apart from all of the others out there
who think they've got remedies to the problem of commerce,
to debt, to tax, mortgages, to not having enough income.
All of those problems that many people are experiencing,
we have got programs for all of those.
They work, which is why we're growing so fast
and why so many of our members give us testimonials.
So I've said a lot.
I'll give you a chance to say something
because I'm sure that's a lot to download in a few minutes.
But where do you want to go now, Victor?
My God, that was exhausting to imagine
what you've been through in just 20 years.
Most people would have had a nervous breakdown.
The one thing that I noticed is that you are very
eloquent and calm in telling that story.
And there's a couple of questions I have.
First, what was the offer that they made to you,
which essentially was for you to sell your soul?
And what compelled you to not take that offer?
And how long did it take for you to think it over?
I'm relating to you because that happened to me
when I was at the U.S. Naval Academy.
And I know those who watched this show already know the story.
So they're probably like, oh, don't go through it again.
But essentially I was offered the world
when I was at the U.S. Naval Academy around 19, 20 years old.
And I didn't have much time to mull it over.
And then I also had the same situation happen
just recently during the COVID outbreak.
I had 48 hours to make a decision that changed my life
and has me now here speaking with you.
So I'm not going to get into that.
I'm more curious to know what went through your mind,
how long it took you, and what was your motivation
to say no to joining the cabal?
Well, a lot of people misunderstand my intention
and they also misunderstand what I believe I'm here to do.
I think we've all got something to do.
We've got something to learn.
We've got something to do.
That's what I believe.
And I think what I'm here to do is to help people to get free,
get freedom from this matrix.
All my life I've known that there's something wrong.
It's been really the last 10 years I've really pieced together
how the matrix has been put together.
And I'm happy to go into it because it is a next level genius.
I actually believe it's non-human intelligence
that has built the matrix system, right?
Because I don't think regular guys can build the system
that they've built.
It's non-human for me.
And many of us don't know what we're up against.
I've always known that there was something wrong.
I never was comfortable with any kind of authority.
Even when I was a very young lad,
my father wanted me to go into the Marines
when I was a young lad.
And I went there because my father wanted me to go there.
I lasted one session because there's no way
anybody's going to order me to march here, march there,
stand up, sit down.
It didn't make any sense to me, so I didn't go.
When I was a very keen footballer,
I thought I was going to play professional football
because all the signs were that that's what I was going to do.
So I didn't go to school.
I just saw no sense in going to school.
They taught a lot of nonsense.
None of it made sense.
It's all irrelevant.
Why am I wasting my frigging time with all this nonsense?
I might as well go and play snooker
or go and play football or train for football
because I'm good at that.
I'm going to go and do some stuff I'm good at
rather than sit in a classroom and listen to a load of nonsense
that makes literally no sense to me whatsoever.
And why do I even know it anyway?
So I was always a bit of a maverick, a bit of a rebel.
I wasn't fighting the system.
I just didn't think it made any sense to me.
There was so many things that made no sense.
I used to look and think my parents used to,
they used to vote for politicians and I used to think,
what the hell are you doing?
These guys never change anything.
They never do anything good.
Why do you keep voting for these idiots?
I used to say to my dad,
why are you voting for these idiots?
They don't, they never change or do anything positive.
And he used to say to me,
but if I don't vote for them,
then we're going to end up in a worse place.
Because if everyone says that they're not going to vote,
and that alone, when I'm a young lad,
it's like it makes no sense to me.
If you vote for people that are actually going to improve the environment,
I could kind of get it.
But these people never do and they never have done and they never will.
So why is everyone queuing up to put a cross in a box
with some idiot who's going to pretend that he's going to help you
when in reality he's only got his own interests at heart?
I saw that when I'm a young guy.
It's like made no sense to me.
So I've always been a challenge.
I always challenge everything.
I always think there's a better way of doing something.
And actually what motivates me, Vector, is never been the money.
You know, I don't want to come across as an arrogant kind of a guy,
but in 2007 I was one of the richest guys in the UK.
And I mean that with all honesty.
I never did it for the money.
When you're good at something
and you're living through your passion,
which I was very passionate about all the things I was doing
back in those days, the riches come.
You don't need to do anything for money
if you're a genius at what you do.
You just don't need to do it for money.
Because there is no money, right?
Well, get onto that in a moment.
But if you believe that there's money,
if you believe that there's an exchange of value,
you put something in, you get something back.
If you're very good at solving problems,
you're never going to be poor.
And that's what I've always done in 42 years
of operating on the monopoly board,
because it is a monopoly board,
and I'd like to get into that shortly.
If you're very good at playing that game,
you're never sure of what they call money.
I was very good at playing the game.
I won awards.
My organization was market leading.
We solved problems that others didn't have.
I'll give you some examples.
Some of the big ones that I sold,
the pension deficit.
So if you're running a company scheme,
a company pension,
it's probably underwater, right?
Because in most countries that go back,
pensions go back a long time,
they've got a massive liability.
Most companies are underwater
because of their pension liability.
It's all by design, by the way.
I solved that problem in about 2011.
I got $75 million of venture capital funding for it.
And you know what?
The crown destroyed it all.
But I solved the problem.
I solved the problem of how you could get an income
from your lazy asset property
without losing your property,
with no lien or charge,
that you have complete freedom
to use the property for whatever you wanted for,
sell it, refinance it,
and have an income from the property.
That's how I got the joint venture with the bank in 2001
because I solved that problem.
So many problems that I've been given.
People used to come to me, Victor, and say,
we've got a problem with this finance area.
Can you solve it for us?
And I would go away and I would come up with a plan.
That's what I was known for.
And then what I've done,
and I think I'm pretty unique in this,
I'm pretty confident,
what I've done is I've helped people
to solve the game of monopoly.
And I'd like to talk about that at some point
because it's so important
because they've enslaved us
by selling us down the river
on a deception about what is going on in commerce.
And it's completely different.
The reality is completely different
from the perception and the deception
because it is a huge deception that's going on.
And I can show people how they can enrich themselves,
how they can become financially abundant.
Just by following four programs,
they don't need to do anything else.
And they will be free of the matrix.
They'll be able to use their genius talent,
do what it is they love doing.
Look, if that's looking after their family, great.
If it's painting pictures, fantastic.
If it's playing music, fantastic.
If it's developing energy solutions, health solutions,
whatever it is, they can do all of that
if they do these four programs.
That's why so many of our members are joining.
And by the way, I offer
or anybody who interviews me free access to those programs.
So if you're interested in these programs,
you get them for free.
Okay, we'll definitely talk about that.
And this way I can help promote it.
Boy, this lighting makes me look like kind of purple.
But let me ask you though,
when they wanted me to sell my soul,
they, I would have had to have lied about what I witnessed.
And I refused to do that
because I knew that that would have led to other things.
They also wanted me to kill people.
And I refused to do that.
What was it that they were wanting you to do?
And what was it that they were offering you?
Because you said that you were already
one of the richest men in the UK.
So really, what more could they offer you
than what you already had?
So my wealth was in my solutions.
I had a very big, I had a huge property.
I had all the trappings of a rich guy.
I had cash in the bank.
I had everything that a rich guys have, right?
But my biggest asset was my joint venture with the bank
because I had this unlimited credit line.
So I literally could write out credit for people, right?
And they could use that to buy my program.
So I could write, I could increase my business size at will,
which was very, very unusual, right?
And I'd never met anybody who's ever had anything similar
to what they offered me in 2001.
So you have to ask the credit, I will answer your question
and I'll tell you why they gave me that credit line.
What they were saying to me was,
we had a billion pounds worth of assets
that we were managing as an organization.
And that was financed partly by the investor
who put some capital in and partly by the credit line
the bank was giving to me to organize for the investors, right?
So there's 12 financial planning programs,
but they've all got an investment element in them.
I'm not going to go into all the detail
because we'll lose the audience.
The audience needs to know
is that the bank is offering me unlimited credit.
I'm bringing assets in that go into portfolios
and those portfolios deliver an outcome
that the customer wants,
like paying their kids education,
paying their mortgage, funding their retirement,
stuff like that.
Those were my solutions,
all a whole range of solutions
that were funded from this engine.
What they said to me was
that they were going to take the assets.
And if I joined together with them
and the only way they could take the assets
was to down value them.
So think of a house, just make it really simple.
You've got a house worth a million dollars today, right?
Just make the numbers round.
It's a million dollar house
and there's a mortgage of 800,000 against the house.
So there's 200,000 of equity gap
between the debt and the value, yeah?
On the monopoly board.
Let's say in the mortgage
it says if the value of the house goes below 800,000
you've got to pay off the loan.
Now it doesn't say that in mortgages,
but it did in this credit line.
So if the value of the assets
goes below the value of the credit,
you've got to pay it off.
You've got to pay off the debt.
So what they said to me was
they were going to down value the assets
because they were valuing them.
I either joined together with them on that
or I opposed them on that.
You've got to remember
this is the financial crisis.
We're walking into the financial crisis.
So all the asset values were coming down.
And they were offering me this
before the financial crisis started
because they already knew
that there was going to be a financial crisis
because they engineer everything.
Nothing happens randomly on the monopoly board.
It's all engineered by those that run the cabal.
So they came to me and said
if you don't oppose us
in the value of the assets being downgraded
and we can then call it all in.
So that's how they steal the assets
because the loan is now above the value of the assets.
You can either oppose us on that
and we'll destroy you
and which is what they did
and have tried to do for nearly 20 years.
Or you can join together with us
and we'll look after you
in any way you want to be looked after.
You're one of us basically.
That was the deal I was offered.
How do they do that deal?
Is it just a verbal contract
or do you have to actually kill somebody
or eat a baby or something like that?
Because usually when they bring you into the cabal
there's something like a blood ceremony
that has to be involved.
Well, for my experience
of what they were offering me
this was the doorway
that you could walk through.
They're offering you the doorway.
You walk through that door
and now you're inside the environment.
Now you've got to do everything they want.
If that means satanic worship,
if that means pedophilia,
whatever it fucking means,
I'm sorry to swear,
but whatever it means
you walk through that door
and that door is closed
and you can't go back
because once you've walked through that door
you're through the door
and now they've got you.
You will do what they want you to do
and if you don't
you probably will be taken out of the game
very quickly, right?
But very few people ever go against it.
They walk through the door knowing
that on the other side
they're going to have to do stuff
but a lot of them are psychopathic.
They don't care.
They have no empathy.
So if you look at the top of every pyramid
are we seeing people with empathy here?
Are we seeing people who genuinely have a knowing
that we're all one?
That we're all one consciousness?
No.
We're seeing demons.
We're seeing people who've got no empathy at all
who can carry out their dastardly plans
with no thought for anybody else
because they don't care
because they actually believe that they are
righteous in whatever it is they're doing.
I mean, all of this darkness
is because they actually think
that the darkness is the way forward.
I liken it to Star Wars, Victor.
You know, I watch the original Star Wars movie
and thought, wow, that's a genius script
because what you've got there is the force
which is consciousness.
You can tap into it for the light
or you can tap into it for the dark.
Well, you make your choice
but if you're tapping into it for the dark
at some point along the way
you're going to come back to the light
which is Darth Vader.
That's exactly what happened in his journey, right?
He's got the force
but he's using it for the dark side
but just before he leaves this realm
and he goes back and wherever he goes
and he probably comes back again
he comes back to the light.
So that's what they're offering you.
You cross to the dark
you get given anything that you need
but you've got to stay in the dark
and you know that.
I knew that's what they were offering.
Ian, I'm going to give you enough time
to describe the program
and the four steps
but I want to make sure
that the audience gains your trust
because I have an audience
of open-minded critical thinkers
that can see the S from a mile away
and I want to make sure
that I give you all the credibility
that you deserve
and the reason why I'm staying on this
is because I can relate
to what you went through
because when I was going through that
at the U.S. Naval Academy
I had to trust my instinct
and I realized
I was in a room full of people
that had no empathy
that were psychopaths.
I was able to see that
because they were
trying to sweet talk me
into lying
but it wasn't just a small lie.
It was a lie that would change my life
and the lives of the people
that were involved
in the crime that I witnessed
and so I knew that
that would bring me into their club
but it was an evil club
because these people
to be purveyors of truth
and justice
meanwhile what they were
were really snakes
in the
snakes in the in the pile
in the wood pile
so
it was my instinct
that saved me from that
when you were going through that
it seems like you were describing
something similar
just in hearing what you're saying
that you noticed that about these people
I want to get
deeper into that
especially
with your being so intelligent
you missed
the poison pill
that they put into the offer
of the
unlimited crime that you had
so you were smart enough
to get to that point
but they were smarter than you
they were smarter
they put that poison down
and so that's what we're dealing
with right now
is these people like you said
that are not even human
because they're able to understand
how we work
because I believe that they've been here
for thousands of years
and that they have
the ability to live
for much longer say
and they've done all these MK ultra experiments
and they know how to
basically control us
through fear
through lies
through the Babylonian magic trick
so before we get to your four solutions
I want to see
what that lesson taught you
because that was a valuable lesson
here you were thinking
you were the smart guy
but it turns out
that they were able to outsmart you
so what did you learn from that
it's a really intuitive question
Victor
and it's something that
you know
it's a big wake up
for how smart these guys are
right because
this is
this is the short story right
I
one of one of my
ex-staff who'd been head on to
called me and said
he's now working for this group called
Saga
which is one of the biggest retirement
companies in the UK
at that time
they had six million customers
who were looking to
create income from their properties
they have a house
they live in it
they don't have much pension
they want an income
but they don't want to lose their house
and they want to leave their house to their kids
they don't want to
have a debt against it
they just want the income from the property
without in a safe way
so I was invited to a meeting
I go to that meeting with the board of Saga
and they say this is what they want
and they've heard that I can come up with solutions
can I design a solution for that
and I've said probably
but I've never been asked
but I'll go away and have a think about it
and I came back a month later
with a complete plan of how we could do that
so you could take
I'm going to get
I try not to get too technical right
you can basically use the asset
and get a bank to provide a credit line
against the asset
without taking a charge
that you can lose the house
there are ways of doing that
and you can then use that credit
because that credit can then be put to work
to generate an income stream
where you're buying assets that are very stable
very secure
from life insurance companies
that aren't going to go bust
nobody's going to call it in
and it generated a cash flow
that was sufficient
to give the homeowner what they wanted
with no risk to them
and everybody got a deal
everybody won right
and I designed that
I brought that's how I got the joint venture with the bank
I got the big insurance company
the Prudential
they said yes to it
having analyzed it for ages
as they would do
because their name is important to them
and I got
Saga with the customer
Prudential Insurance Company
was the insurance company for the rappers
and the bank came along
and said they would provide the credit line
now this is where they were genius
this is the years worth of due diligence Victor
these big things don't happen overnight right
you're talking millions of consumers coming into it
big companies with big reputations to keep
and I'm a little guy who was with some small ideas
and all the ataries
and all the analysts crawled all over it
and they all came to the same conclusion
this works we should all do this
and that's that's what happened
but then I get a call from the bank
and the bank calls me
somebody seen her at the bank calls me says
we've got some good news
and we've got some bad news
which do you want first
this is 2000
this is the year 2000 right
I said I'll take the bad news
and then I'll take the good news
he said the bad news is
the bank isn't going to do that plan
right now
they're going to put it on hold
but the good news is
we want to offer you an unlimited credit line
for you to develop other programs
but you need to promote them
we'll give you the credit line
but you need to promote them
because we love your ability to solve problems
so I then go to a meeting with the bank
thinking it's a real shame
that they don't want to back the
it was called the enrichment plan
that was the income from property plan
but they're giving me access to an unlimited credit line
now if you're in financial services
and a bank is sying to you
you can write your checks
you write whatever you want
as long as you back it with the assets that we like
and we know you're going to do that
you can write the checks out
that's pretty unusual yeah
yeah
pretty unusual
you're accessing their balance sheet
for your business
yeah it's pretty unusual right
now
to pass up
they always give you that offer
that seems too good to be true
and usually it is
there's always a catch
that's where satan comes in
lucifer we're living in satan's world
and these central bankers
they know the tricks
so what I missed
because I was a little bit naive
and I was a little bit excited
about being offered this deal
what I missed was that I had to put
my organization's name
on every one of the programs
so if you bought that program
from my organization
you thought that I was responsible for all of it
right
this was next level genius
so we get a billion pounds
worth of assets coming in
thousands and thousands of programs
hundreds of wealth management firms
all accessing these programs
recommending them to their clients
etc
but it's my company name
on the every brochure
on everything right
behind the scenes
the banks got the ultimate control
because they can call the credit line in
and if they do that
who who is the consumer going to blame
the bank or me me
so they set me up as their papacy
and I didn't realize it
I realized it later
but I didn't realize it at the time
because I actually naively thought
and you your audience might think
I'm going to lose a lot of credibility here
but this is 2000
this is 25 years ago
banks then still had a reputation
you talk to people about banks today
and they will spit on the pavement
but 25 years ago
banks still had a fairly good reputation
right
it was a different world back then
I didn't think this bank was looking to defraud
the customer
because I didn't realize back then
that that is their model
I mean I'd like to talk a little bit about that
because I absolutely know what their model is now
but I didn't then
so I wasn't looking out for that
I thought they were honorable
I thought they were excited to work with me
I thought they were doing it for the benefit of the customer
but they weren't
that was completely not their agenda at all
they wanted to build this huge asset
you know the asset portfolio up
that they could take whenever they wanted to take it
and that's what they did
and they used me as
you've touched on something that I've noticed
and that a friend of mine son of Enos
noticed and for noticing
the
Canada has put him in a maximum security prison
for daring to notice
of course Canada is still ruled by the
UK
so people don't realize
and the United States is still ruled by the UK as well
don't be fooled
the United States is not a constitutional republic
it's a corporation
and its debt is owned by the UK
and just like you said with the banks
they own the United States
and I call it the United States
because when you follow the money
the people that control the banks
the central banks in particular
they identify as Jews
but they are not Jews
they are of the synagogue of Satan
the father of all lies
and the thing is
when you start to understand the plan
and why you
and so many others
were bamboozled
because
banks
plan was never
to be
good for the public
or for their customers
because they go by the Talmud
and the Talmud states that
Jews may use lies to circumvent the non-Jews
and also
usury
so there's separate
loans
if you identify as a Jew
and you wear a little hat like this
that's why I really recommend that people start
wearing these
because it puts you above the law
as a matter of fact
recently in the United States
a guy who was accessing
child porn
and involved in pedophilia
because he wore a little hat like that
he was able to get a special favor
and he was extradited
to Israel
which protects pedophiles
so we're living in a world
that people are still
not understanding
and if you do understand
that at the very top
those who pull the strings
those who make you offers that you can't
refuse
those who are seen as the cabal
are actually
Jews
but again
they're not Jews
they may not even be human
so
that's what I noticed
because
it wasn't just from the 80s
they're playing all the time
because these people are thousands of years old
they've been doing
I mean that's why
for those who believe
that Jesus Christ lived
he turned over the
tables at the temple
because they were Jews
and they've always been
doing usury
that trick
now you've come up with something
that actually works
I call that
compassionate wealth
to keep the soul currency flowing
because really
what we have
is a conscious
existence
that is a
symbiotic relationship
with this realm
that some call the matrix
that we live in
where there is actually
frequencies and wavelengths
and energy fields
that we don't even have to produce
nuclear energy
or electricity
or anything like that
it's it's all
free
when I say free
the
the knowledge
is suppressed
but once that knowledge gets released
which is what we're doing
we're explaining to people
how to
not have to go through usury
but the thing is
that's the kind of stuff
that these evil people
want to kill people for
that's why
your life
has been
wrecked
but you still have a smile
which is so pleasant to see
and my life also
has been
you know
a challenge
because I've also been
trying to wake people up
the thing is
once you realize
what's really behind
the curtain
it's hard to unsee it
and since I didn't choose
to become part of that evil
and since you didn't choose
to be part of that evil
yes
our lives have been made
not easy
put it that way
but not impossible
and the smile that you see
on my face is sincere
and so is it's so beautiful
to see
that smile on your face
I'm so glad that we were
put together sir
because
you do have a magnificent story
and it's absolutely too much
to cover
in an hour and a half
for two hours so
please come back on the show
because I also
as a filmmaker
would like to hear about
the production
of the three documentaries
that you've got going on
I'll tell you what
I have a film series
that I moved to China
to work on
called The Story of the
Crackhead Jesus Trials
would have to do
with my experience
in what you've
noticed is the litigation
vortex
where it's a legal mafia
and they keep you tied up
and distracted
so that you can't do
the good work
that you're doing
so that's a whole another story
but yeah
there's so many questions
that I have
to ask you
but where would you like to go next?
Well I want to
I want to demystify
what's going on with commerce
because I've tried to make it
the yet my explanation
and my solutions
as simple as they possibly can be
there's a lot of guys out there
talking a lot of nonsense right
and there really is
people who believe in
oh if you stand under
the constitution
you'll be protected
if you're into common law
you'll be protected
if you
you know you have to say
you're a man under God
and you're going to be protected
and all this nonsense right
now I can tell you
from first-hand experience
that none of those things work
if you want a jurisdiction
or shield
if you want to live free
you've got to rise above
the legal system
it's because there's levels
there's a pyramid
and there are levels
of that pyramid
and nearly everybody's
at the bottom of that pyramid
why?
because they are
representing
as an agent for
a body corporate
you said the united states
is a body corporate
it 100% is
I do a two-hour webinar
on the one world system
of commerce
where every country
is a corporation
is registered to
the united states incorporated
and I prove it
by showing you
all the registration numbers
the securities and exchange
commissions reference numbers
it's all on the Edgar database
so all these guys out there
who think that
oh rush is our enemy
China is our enemy
it's a total crock of bullshit
they're all subsidiaries
of the united states incorporated
right
then you've got these
it's all theater
all right
I mean we're watching a show
we're watching a theater
and
we've got the du jour world
of the real living
and then you've got the de facto world
of the corporations
and then
I want to now layer this up
into the monopoly board
because there's a reason why
they brought the game of monopoly out
about a hundred years ago right
and it's because it's telling you
what the fuck's going on
right
so if you want to play monopoly
which is commerce by the way
let's go through it right
so you're a good
you're a good guy or girl
and you go to school
and you leave
and you might go in a higher
education
and you get your
higher education
or maybe you don't
maybe you go straight into the workforce
the very first thing you're going to want to get
is a bank account
right
so
we're going to do
I'm sure you know this
the the screwed story
Dickens is screwed story
yes
right
so let's do the screwed story
because it's a really good way
of explaining this right
so
if you go down one path
and you're a very good
you know you're a good guy or girl
you've got your
qualifications
you've passed your exams
you've played it
you've played the game really well
your parents are telling you've got to get these exams
because if you don't get them
you're not going to get on very well in life
because you've got to have all that stuff
because no one's going to give you a job
or if you want to go and get a business off the ground
the bank's not going to give you a loan
because you haven't got all the qualifications right
so they track you with that one
so now you get yourself a bank account right
and you actually believe
that the bank account is yours
so this is the first problem right
so you've got a name which you think is yours as well
so your parents have got a family name
and you actually believe that that family name is your name
but it isn't
because what they did go all the way back to the beginning
was they created
they created a corporation
they created a birth certificate registered corporation
which is actually a decedent
so they created this decedent estate
and they registered it to the crown or the state
it's all the same basically
it all ends up in the Vatican
but let's not get too deep
all that all you need to know is if you look at the certificate
the birth certificate
that is the registration of a corporation
it's a body corpora
so now you've got the living man woman
and you've got the body corpora
but no one really realizes it
because no one tells you all this stuff
and then you want to get a bank account
so you go into the bank account opening process
and they say well what's the name on this account
and you say my name is you know Bill Smith
so the name of the account is Bill Smith account right
now Smith is a registered corporation
it's a body corpora
that is registered to the crown
to the state
to the government effectively
so now you think you've got a bank account
you think your name is Bill Smith it isn't
your name is Bill
it's William
it's not Bill Smith
because Smith belongs to the crown
so they trick you and deceive you
into believing that you've got a name
the name is the family name
the surname name
it's not your name
it's the name that belongs to the crown
if you put that name
and the birth certificate registration number together
now you've got a security
right that security they're going to
they're going to use that
because your energy
unbeknownst to you
the energy the conscious energy
that courses through your body
they're going to harness that
and they're going to trap it on the monopoly board
and they're going to turn it against you
so this is how they enslave your energy
on the monopoly board
so let's go through the dickings right
so the guy who's unaware of all that stuff
opens the bank account
it's in the name of Bill Smith
gets a job
starts the business
starts to make some cash flow
actually believes that cash flow belongs to him
because he believes his name is Bill Smith
but the other guy knows that his name is not Bill Smith
he knows his name is Bill
and Smith is the name of the corporation
so he's a bit smart the other guy
you've got two Bill Smiths
one is programmed and deceived
and the other one is bright
and knows that you should be playing the game of monopoly
knowing the rules
so the first guy opens the bank account
gets some cash flows in there
now when he gets his paycheck
he actually thinks he's paying in his paycheck
into his bank account
so the first Bill Smith
who's been deceived
actually believes that he is transferring
currency into his Bill Smith bank account
and he looks at his bank statement
and it says he's got $2,000 in there
because that was his salary that month
or $3,000 or $5,000
doesn't matter what the number is
so he actually believes
that wherever that currency came from
was transferred to his bank account
the other Bill Smith knows that that never happens
there is no transfer of any currency
ever happening in the banking system
because what actually happens
is whoever is issuing that promise to pay
because that's all it is
is issuing a security
and the bank has now become the nominee for the security
so the first Bill Smith thinks a transfer of funds
of currency arrived in his account
from his employer
from his business
from wherever he thought it came from
the second Bill Smith knows that there is no such thing as a bank transfer
it's a myth
and I debate anybody in the world on this
and I'll prove them wrong
because there is no transfer that ever occurs
so this the two Bill Smiths
the first one is deceived
and he's got let's say he's got $2,000
in his what he believes to be his bank account
the second Bill Smith knows that that $2,000
is just a ledger entry
it's a bookkeeping entry
that's all it is
there is no money
because the second Bill Smith
has done his research
and he knows that in 1913
basically all the money
is now being backed by the energy of the people
it starts in 1913 in the Federal Reserve Act
Jackal Island
and all the bankers get together
one year after they sink the Titanic
where the guys who actually objected
to this new system of money
they take them out of the game
by sinking the Titanic
yeah
so now you've got JP Morgan and his friends
who all want to bring this new money system in
because they've got a way of harnessing the energy
of all of the population without them realizing
and then you get to 1933
and you've got the bankruptcy
of the United States Incorporated
and very few people know
that Donald Trump is not the president of America
Donald Trump is the president
of the United States Incorporated
which operates out of the District of Columbia
nobody knows exactly where
because there's no registered address for it
but that's another story for another day
and that corporation went into bankruptcy in 1933
and it went into bankruptcy deliberately
because they created the Great Depression
in the same way as they created the
2008 alleged credit crisis
and they want to move the
if they want to move the world population
in a certain direction
they create a depression
they create a war
they create an Armageddon event
some nature of some sort
and then they can move everybody
as David Ike says
you create the problem
and everybody wants the solution
but they never would want that solution
before the problem occurred
so you create the problem
to get the solution
that you want everybody to go down that direction
so in 1933
you've got the Senator for Ohio
who announces and it's in the Senate record
that the United States Incorporated
is the world's biggest bankruptcy
in mankind's history
now why is that relevant
because the United States Incorporated
is still bankrupt today
there is an emergency order
that's never been repealed
which means that the president of the corporation
can do whatever he wants
whenever he wants to do it
under an emergency order
which has never been repealed
that's a story for a different day as well
let's go back to commerce
our two Bill Smiths
first Bill Smith thinks he's got some currency
in the bank account
and he's going to go and spend that on something
he's going to go and buy some stuff
and he actually thinks he's transferring that
to someone else
who's going to give him something
a service, a product or whatever it is
he's going to pay his mortgage
he's going to pay his rent
he's going to buy his groceries
at the store
and he actually thinks he's transferring that
to someone else
when in fact what he's doing
because the other Bill Smith knows
that all he's doing is issuing a new security
and that's what everybody is doing
all the time every day
that you do any transactions
they're not transferred
there's no transfers going on
it's just new securities being created
so why is that relevant
and how does it fit in with the bankruptcy
you see if you make all of the commerce game
that's the monopoly board bankrupt
so everybody who's playing monopoly
is a representative
the living man is a representative of the piece
that's moving around the monopoly board
and it looks very real
that person
which is a body corporate
looks like they've got a job
looks like they've got a bank account
looks like they've got a mortgage
looks like they've got an investment portfolio
a pension plan
a cryptocurrency account
whatever it is
it's all artificial
and it all belongs to the crown
or the state
because the body corporate is registered to the state
so nobody actually has anything
no living man or one on the planet has any wealth
no living man on the planet has a passport
no living man on the planet has a driving license
any license
anything
because everything is going on the monopoly board
and it's all artificial
so our two Bill Smiths
the first one thinks he's earning a living
and he's paying his he's transferring his funds to someone else
but the second Bill Smith knows that that's not the case at all
he knows the second Bill Smith knows that the body corporate
United States of America is bankrupt
and every other country is bankrupt
and every citizen is bankrupt as well
because they're all body corporates registered to the same monopoly board
that the cabal effectively
this is how genius it is
everybody thinks that they've got things but they have nothing
now the second Bill Smith knows that the banks
and I'm going to say this slowly
the banks are operating as the nominee
for the living man or woman
whose energy has been transferred to the monopoly board
through a very clever system of deception
where the body corporate is a banker
because if you look in the bills of exchange act
it tells you that a person is a banker
or what is a person is a citizen
it's not real it's an artificial construct
that is registered to the crown or the state or the government
so not only have they deceived everyone into believing
that they are the person when they're not
but they've actually got them to believe that they've got wealth
that they've got money they've got money in a bank account
now second Bill Smith knows that that energy
that he put on the monopoly board
every time he created a security through his private banker
which is the body corporate can come back to him
so that is called recruitment
and if you look at IRS publication 1212
it tells you that the banks are operating as nominees
for your credit
so I'm a man and I transfer
let's say I transfer to you $5,000
just for an example right
you say this thing costs $5,000
and I say fine I'm going to transfer it to you
I'll type that into my computer
that's going to control my bank transfer to you
I don't I'm the first Bill Smith
I actually think I've transferred $5,000 to you
now you've got a bank account yeah
because otherwise I can't transfer it to you without a bank account
so they've deceived everybody there
that bank account that looks like it's receiving the $5,000
is actually receiving a security from me
because the living man is an agent for the body corporate
the body corporate is issuing a security to your bank
with the name of whatever the name of the account is
that you think is your account
now the second Bill Smith is really smart
he knows how this game of commerce works
he knows that that energy is transferred to the to your account
that actually belongs to him
and that your bank is operating as a nominee
a fiduciary nominee
and that credit of $5,000 can come back to him
now your bank doesn't report that as federal income
because they've been given an accounting exemption
so if you get into the generally accepting accounting principles
you get into Basel
you get right deep into the weeds
of how the banks have been given exemptions on accounting
they are supposed to report that $5,000 as income to the bank
but they've been given an exemption to not report it
but if the holder of the $5,000 reports it
then that has to come back to the source
so that is called recoupment
now our members are recouping their bank payments
because they're not actually bank payments
all that credit
so every time they make what most people call a bank payment
that is credit that comes back to them
that's called recoupment
it's perfectly lawful
it's all in the IRS rules
and the reason they can do it
is because the man or woman
the living man or woman is a creditor
to the bankrupt monopoly board system
and if you know how to file the tax returns
which I do
and we've got about 200 million of recoupments
coming through now
right now
and with loads of checks in the past
you can recoup all of the payments that you ever send out
because they're not actually payments
they're just creations of new securities
so that's bank payment recoupments
I call it the infinite money program
the more securities you create
the more you can recoup
so that's like a fruit machine
I don't know if you guys have ever had fruit machines
you pull the handle down
the jackpot comes out machine
that's just like that right
let's talk about mortgages
because there's billions of mortgages in the world
and it's the biggest slavery mechanism
ever invented by the banks right
they call it the death pledge
the mortgage the death pledge
because it is a death pledge right
let's go through a mortgage right
let's imagine that you were a banker
and I want a mortgage
I'm going to buy a house right
and I actually believe
because I'm the first Bill Smith
that I can buy a house
and I can register that house under my name
and it will belong to me eventually
because I'm going to pay the mortgage off
so that's my belief
I'm the first Bill Smith right
I come to you
you're a banker
and you say fine have you got the income
have you got the deposit
have you got all the credit score
okay we tick those three boxes
you're going to give me as a banker
a million dollar mortgage
now if you ask your audience
where does that million dollars come from
does it come from the central bank
does it come from the government
does it come from China
from somewhere else
is it investors
is it depositors funds
and the answer to that question
is it's none of those
if you say well
how much world debt is there
and the IMF last study
is three hundred and seventy trillion
ask the question
who is it O2
who is that three hundred and seventy trillion dollars O2
because nobody asks it apart from me
and I'm telling you
it's all owed back to the men and women
because all of that world debt is energy
energy is on the monopoly board
every last cent of it
is a unit of energy
so let's go back to the mortgage
I sign a mortgage contract with your bank
you're a banker
I'm a customer I want a mortgage
I sign the contract
and you believe
because you're not in the top of the bank
you're somewhere in the middle
or the lower part of the bank
as a bank as a banker
you don't no one explains to you
how this system works
your bank takes that security
that I've transferred and deposited
to your bank right
so I'm the customer
I'm transferring a million dollars
security to your bank without knowing it
by signing the contract
that million dollars is misreported
by the bank
because they've been given an exemption
at the moment I sign the contract
that million dollars is a liability to the bank
but they switch it around
and make an asset to the bank
so they hold it as an asset
and then they can create a matching liability
on the other side of the balance sheet
which is the mortgage
that your bank is going to send me
for a million dollars
so the bank never had anything to begin with
and if you actually look at the bank's charter
every bank this is
they're not even permitted to lend money
so that's a surprise for most people
isn't it that banks
are not they're prohibited from lending money
which is a big surprise for a lot of people
because a lot of people think
that banks take deposits
and banks lend money
they do neither
they purchase securities
now if people want verification on this
go and read Professor Richard Verner's work
his 16-year empirical study
on how banks work
Richard Verner is somebody I've studied for a long time
go and have a look at the Bank of England's own paper
money in the modern economy
go and have a look at modern money mechanics
from the Chicago Federal Reserve
and it tells you exactly how the banks operate
but very few people
outside of people like me
get to read that stuff
or even understand what the fuck it's talking about
because everybody's brainwashed into believing
that banks lend money and they take deposits
right now that mortgage that we just created
what the bank does then
is they don't report the million security deposit
as an asset for them
they report it
they don't report it at all actually
because it's actually federal income
in the same way as the 5,000 was
for the two bills spent earlier
in the bank transfer
and then they sell that million
into the securitisation market
that's where your Morgan Stanley's
your credit sweases
your Goldman Sachs's
your Deutsche Banks
they're all trading those mortgages
they're trading our energy
that's what they're trading
they're buying and selling our energy
making us all slaves
but here's the good news
the bank that I deposited
your bank
the one you represent
I deposited that million dollars with your bank
and your bank never reported it
is federal income
because they were given an exemption
for not reporting it
but I am the holder of that security
because it's my energy
that I transferred into this monopoly board system
and all I've got to do is report
the fact that my energy
is being held by the bank
as a nominee
under IRS Publication 1212
and I can recoup that million
so now I can recoup all my bank payments
because they're not really payments
they're just energy transfers that I can get back
and I can recoup all of my mortgages
every single one of them
lawfully
no loophole
exactly in line with the
with how the system works
and this is
these are two reasons why the crown is
fucking terrified of me
because I understand how things work
and I can reverse engineer them
and that's what we're doing
now the other thing you can do
is you can actually discharge a mortgage
so you've got a current mortgage
you can discharge it
by proving that the bank misreported it
you never go anywhere near any courtroom
never go anywhere near a courtroom in this process
so you can void the mortgage
because the bank misreported it on their balance sheet
who is responsible for the mortgage
it's not the bank that says
that they provided the mortgage
it's the indentured trustee
now I was a trustee
a pension trustee for many years
if you're a fiduciary
you've got a serious liability there
so you make the indentured trustee
liable for the misreporting
it's actually reco fraud
and all mortgages are traded
basically through Wall Street
through the department of the DTCC
which is the depository trust trading company
all mortgages all securities are registered there
in Waterbury Lane
have a go on that name
Waterbury Lane currency
Waterbury Lane
yeah it's they're telling us right in our face
all of these things
but few people see the signs
they don't know the code
they don't understand what's going on
I did seven years of study in my
back in the day when I studied
all my financial qualifications
with all these letters after my name
not once did anybody tell me or show me
how the actual system works
I had to learn that the hard way
because of all the dystopia and destruction
I've gone through
so if you want to discharge a mortgage
you issue a new security and discharge it
you hold the indentured trustee liable
because they've misreported it
it's reco fraud
you personally hold them liable
you can put a lien over them personally
if they don't discharge the mortgage
and even if they don't discharge it
and they want to play hardball
you recoup the security
that's the million dollars
that was originally advanced
so now you've got infinite money
because you're recouping all your payments
that means that you never have to go
and do another day's work in your life
you don't have to run your business
you can do your genius
you can free yourself from the matrix
because you know how the game of
monopoly works now
now all that stuff is artificial
you take that off the board
and you do what the really super rich families do
you create private trust
and we by the way we do all the recoupments
through international private trusts
you take that stuff and you buy real assets
you're going to buy gold, silver, land, art
what all the rich families have been doing
century after century
they don't buy bitcoin
they don't buy stocks and shares, bonds
do they buy, no they buy real assets
because they know how the game really works
everything on a monopoly board is artificial
everything real can be held in private trust
wealth through the ages
and they can't touch you
because you don't own it
because the trust owns it
and the trust is under international law
and then you can talk about jurisdiction
you see jurisdiction is what everybody's seeking
if you don't have the right jurisdiction
they can come and take you
they haven't taken me
because I understand how jurisdiction works
right
so if you've got
if you're an envoy for a church
and you are a diplomat for a nation
you're untouchable under international law
you can sue them
so the guy in Canada who's been jailed
the journalist that you mentioned earlier
yeah
I could get him out of jail
because if he became a church envoy
now they're violating his human rights
because he's a church envoy
and he actually has human rights
because he's a man
he's not a corporation
you see all these guys who go to jail
they go to jail
because they're representing a corporation
and I'll say one last thing
and then I'll shut up right
every man is representing the body corporate in fraud
because they use the name that belongs to the crown
belongs to the government
it's an impersonation fraud
so they like they set me up as the patsy
for the credit line
they set everybody up to use that name
thinking it's them
I know every time they use it
they're using it in fraud
which which means the citizen
the person will never have any rights
will always go to jail
will never win any court case
they'll laugh in your face
they'll call you a ward of the crown
behind you behind your back
you're never going to win
but you can win
if you're a church envoy
and you're a living man
and you're coming out
coming out of an independent nation
as a church envoy
now you're likely Amish
and if you then put all the infrastructure together
of free power
free water
food from the farmers
communications independently
you don't need all this nonsense
of alleged satellites
and 5G towers
you can have all that stuff
and if you want to heal yourself
you get a machine like I've got
which is a Tesla plasma machine
and you put plasma energy into your body
and now you're going to have optimum health
you don't need to go anywhere
near any farmer
this farmer is definitely your worst enemy
I've probably said too many things too quickly
because I'm a bit passionate
about all this stuff
all of those things we offer our members by the way
and I'm offering more to you Victor
so you can so you can
if you wanted to benefit
from all of those things
you can benefit
and then you can say to your listeners
your audience
I'm doing it it's working for me
and you can do it if you want to do it
and I'll do webinars
for your audience
and show them break it all down
step by step by step by step
and show them the proof
if these things are not theories
they're absolutely happening
I'll show you all the evidence
and this is the way out of the matrix
I call it the great escape from the matrix
and the only way you're going to get free of the matrix
is to know how it works
on the commerce board
I do
I've learned it over the years
the hard way
I've done more research than anybody I know
I'll debate anyone
you bring anybody onto this show
and I'll debate them on what I've just told you
and I'll prove that I am right
because I'm that confident
Yeah you sounded you're quite eloquent
and your presentation is very believable
I ask you
did you get the Tesla machine from Jeff Burwick
I've had him on my show a couple of times
I love I love what Jeff is doing
I've listened to his show for many years
I was aware of the Tesla machine
not through Jeff Burwick as such
although and I know he's got one
and it is actually the same machine
I I discovered it through Max Egan
Oh Jeff knows very well right
so here I was listening to Max Egan one day
talking about the Tesla
and I'm thinking what is that
I'm really interested in that
and I looked into it
and then I saw that Jeff Burwick
was also talking about it
now I think Jeff introduced Max to it
but I actually heard it from Max Egan
to begin with
and straight away I'm thinking
if that is
that's the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle
for health
because that plasma energy
is the source of energy right
if you put that in your body
you're going to yourselves are going to
re-heal
you're going to get over things
we've bought many of those machines
for our members Victor
one of our guys has got over cancer
he's got over diabetes
he's got over high blood pressure
there's so many good stories
with that technology
and before we get off that subject
I want to make those machines
and give them to our members for free
well we definitely have to talk
I want to share screen here
before we go
because now that you've brought that up
I'm actually going to be
doing a presentation at Lieber Polko
where Jeff Berwick and Max Egan
will also be a part of Lieber Polko
September 4th through the 7th
if you're in here
yeah I'm aware of this
you can check it out
it's going to be an amazing event I'm sure
yeah and if any of the listeners
or viewers want to get a discount
of 10% use the coupon code
MaverickArtist Victor Hugo
all one word at LieberPolko.com
and if you can't make it in person
you can get the virtual
and you have a lifetime of being able to
listen to all the presentations
that are there virtually
and you will learn a lot
like you just learned right now
I want to take you up on that offer
because this way I can share
my audience knows that I don't pull any punches
if it works I'll tell them
and if it doesn't work I'll tell them
and of course I would offer you
the opportunity to come back
and explain why it has
or has it worked
this is something that is
going to definitely require
another get-together
so you have my email address
correct and for those who don't
if you're a whistleblower
or you have solutions
because that's what we need right now
we all know what the problem is
we need solutions
so you can email me at
vhviipressatmsn.com
you can also find my email
in the description section
I'll leave all the information
for Ian Clifford
and the Matrix Freedom
and the Republic of Old Souls
Ecclesiastical Church
in the description section as well
Ian you have my email address right
yeah well Paul has got it
because all of the interviews I'm doing
are being arranged by
I've got two guys
arranging the interviews
doing the scheduling
I've got a media team
we make a short summary
of the interview
for our platform
because we've got our own
media platform as well
which is part of our freedom program
is to put all of these
really interesting discussions
on our platform
as well as on yours
so our audience can see
what's been happening
on the interviews
and what's being talked about
not just about me talking
all sorts of people talking
about all different subjects
but all related to freedom
from the Matrix
so not about
all the other subjects
a lot of people
all the rabbit holes
that people go down
just stuff that's talking
about freedom from the Matrix
that's what our platform
is dedicated it to
it's the ROS Media Platform
it's actually I think
the similar technology
to what Jeff Burwick's got
I think Jeff has got something
I was looking at it recently
it's called PeerTube
it's an independent platform
for video hosting
we're actually coincidentally
using the same platform
as Jeff Burwick is using
which was an interesting thing
I discovered a few days ago
it's a very good platform
it's never going to be censored
none of my interviews
are going to be censored
on that platform
because we run it
it's all we have a
complete autonomy on it
and I just want to leave
the audience with one thing
because it often happens Victor
guys like you and I
are disruptors
we tell it the way it is
we have inconvenient truths to tell
and what the crown does
and they've got two full-time guys
working on propaganda
so if you google my name
you're going to get pages and pages
of Ian's of fraudster
and they make all these fraud stories up
and they literally have gone
they've been doing this for 10 years
at least 10 years
you've got all sorts of propaganda
if anybody reads that
and that resonates with them
I'm not interested in them
being a member of Matrix Freedom
or a national of the Republic of Old Souls
if they can see through that
and see and look at the testimonials
of our members
and how our organisation is growing
those are the guys I want to work with
because that to me is a frequency
right
if you're resonating with dystopia
control and you believe all that shit on google
you're not in the right energy wheelhouse for me
if you're resonating on intention
on pure on solution
then you're the guy I'm looking for
to come and join our organisation
I'm sure your viewers are the latter
not the former
because they wouldn't be on your show
if they were the former
and they must know that
you can't trust the media platforms
you can't trust google
you can't trust wikipedia
you can't trust any of these platforms
twitter forget it
or x or whatever it's called forget it
they're all they're all brainwashing people
and they want to brainwash
I'm sure you've got
I'm sure there's some propaganda about you
and there absolutely is about me
because they don't want people to listen to me
I'm sure they don't want people to listen to you either
I was chat chatting with Ryan Veely
on an interview about a week ago
he's next level
on the transhuman agenda
and the AI takeover
if you want to get him on your show
I strongly recommend it
but they've tried they've done the same to him
they've ruined his name online
because that's what they do
anybody who's dangerous to their agenda
they just ruin your reputation
Ryan Veely's actually been on my show a number of times
and if you do my website
victorhugocollection.com
you can scroll to the bottom
and find my channels on Rumble and Bitshoot
and type in Ryan Veely
that's R-Y-A-N
last name
V as in Victor E-L-I
and then Victor Hugo
you'll find he's actually got
the highest viewed video
on my Rumble channel
and it was also shared
on so many different platforms
the thing that you're saying
about the propaganda is absolutely correct
for those viewers who are regulars on the show
they know that I have been exposing
a lot of those people that you mentioned
that are controlled position
that are paid shills
by the central bankers
by the government
by those who don't want the truth
to come out like what you and I are doing
because I have people like you on the show
who are like you say disruptors
and what's happening is
there's a guy named James Fetzer
who is some consider the godfather
of conspiracies
because he's the one who was
he's the one who harassed Judy Wood
during the 9-11 investment
to the point of scaring her into obscurity
and now he's trying to do the same thing
with me
because I've uncovered
his involvement in the Sandy Hook treason
and see all of the false flags
or things that are created
like you were saying
to instill fear in people
and to make people just
corral them into an area
where they feel safe
but he was chosen to do that
and I have exposed him
along with others like Susan Bradford
who has said that he's an intelligence asset
that he's a shill
that he's an operative
Bill Bonattari
who also says that he's a controlled opposition
juxtaposition
who says that he's COINTELPRO
and I have been documenting in his own words
because he's getting to the point now
where he's actually confessing
he just confessed recently
that Sandy Hook promise actually
used him
to do what you're saying they're doing to you
slandering your name
claiming that I'm getting millions of dollars
by Sandy Hook promise
to be the
angel of death character assassin
but he just admitted that
it was people from Sandy Hook promise
that told him that
and that they've now turned against him
and thrown him under the bus
so yeah we are disruptors
we are exposing
the controlled opposition
the people who are trying to give you
misinformation and disinformation
because they don't want you to be free
and that is what Ian Clifford and I
are going to be working together
because we are coming into a new age
yes this is going to be a new world order
but it doesn't have to be what they want it to be
it can totally be what we can manifest it to be
and that is what the presentation is
that I'm going to be doing at Lieberpulco
it's titled
it's the end of the world as we know it
and I feel fine
and so should you
and it's short sweet and to the point
basically letting you know
that we are part of this consciousness
that's connected to the earth
in a symbiotic relationship
and that we are in the apocalypse
the veil is being lifted
you are being given
the tools that you need
like what Ian Clifford has just presented here
so eloquently and simply
using metaphors that we should all be
familiar with
and so like I said
I'm going to be in communication with them
Ian please make sure that you get my email
address from Paul
email me because I'd like to have you back on the show
sooner than later
so that you can discuss the four points
and we can get to the solutions
and let's
let's do that
if you don't mind
yeah I call it the great escape from the matrix
so it's a little I mean I'm a
60 so I remember the movie
The Great Escape
a lot of the audience may remember that movie
but it's like that for me
I mean maybe it's not the right title for it
for a lot of the younger guys out there
but it's still a very good movie
I'd recommend watching that movie
The Great Escape
absolutely and that's the other thing
as a filmmaker I'm really interested
in speaking to you about the films
that you've got in production these documentaries
so there's a lot more to talk about
and yeah let's let's do that sooner than later
have you noticed Ian that the time is quickening as well
I've seen that yeah it's so it's interesting
and I had all kinds of trouble
a couple of days ago with my connections
so I think there's people
we call it gymming around
they're kind of gymming your internet
they're gymming
some of my communication channels wouldn't work
my camera kept stop working
there's stuff going on out there
you know I think that
you know I'm tuned in with
there's energies out there that are coming in
that are trying to stop your message from getting out there
but they're never going to stop my message getting out there
because it's already kind of out there
I've got my books out there
I've got my webinars out there
we've got thousands of members
this this message is not
they're not putting it back in the bottle
they're just not
yeah and for those viewers
you're familiar with this
a lot of times I have trouble
before the show connecting with the guests
and we had the same problems today
with Ian
before pressing record on this
so there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes
that the audience may not realize
they don't want this message getting out there
and they are the demons
that Ian Clifford spoke about
oh and by the way another thing
the guy James Fetzer just
put out a 60 million dollar lawsuit
to shut down Rumble and Bitshoot
and the reason why he's included
myself, Max Egan, Jeff Burwick
and Dustin Nemos
who have all been guests on my show
and he's using all of us as the reason why
Bitshoot and Rumble should be shut down
because the thing is
if he wins this 60 million dollar lawsuit
Rumble and Bitshoot are going to be bombarded
with 60 million dollar lawsuits
and that's just going to shut them down
so we'll see how that goes
but we are definitely at the tip of the spear
I thank you so much Ian for sharing
your amazing story with us
and time it's the most valuable gift we have
I look forward to becoming part of your
I don't even know what do you call it
an organization?
Well it's a community
your matrix freedom is a private members association
but the real real power
of what we're doing is the is the Republic of Old Souls
because that that is above their jurisdiction
it's above all these guys who are having problems
with the legal system
I figured out how to beat it
how to beat it
and that's what you do
The Republic of Old Souls
I've got people telling me that I'm starting to look
more and more like the Victor Hugo
that was alive during the french revolution
and it's funny because
I never would have thought that
if you'd have told me that years ago
I always had a sense
because of what I went through at an early age
which was like what you went through
where they were trying to get me to sell my soul
I always thought that I could possibly be
the reincarnation of Victor Hugo
living now to describe this
this modern revolution that we're going through
which is really a spiritual war
and some call it a
war a karmic war
like karma wars
do you believe that?
I do believe that
and maybe for a different time
but I did a regression in 2012
which was a really big
awakening for me
if you really want to get
tune in to this video game
that we're all playing
and how many times we've been playing it
and who is playing it
it's quite deep
but I did that
and that was also part of my
journey of awakening
that was a big part of it actually
cool well let's
let's look forward to that next week
okay
all right Ian
take care remember everybody
united we stand
divided we fall
never give up
never surrender
keep shining
live love flow