WEBVTT 00:13.740 --> 00:22.460 Well, to the Delling pod with me James Delling pole and I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest 00:22.460 --> 00:24.660 But before we meet her, let's have a word from one of our sponsors 00:25.760 --> 00:30.140 You may have noticed that gold has been doing pretty well recently 00:30.140 --> 00:31.960 In the last year 00:31.960 --> 00:36.300 I think it's increased in value in sterling terms by around 50% 00:36.300 --> 00:42.460 And if you'd bought gold when I first started recommending it on that on adverts like this 00:42.460 --> 00:49.360 You would have certainly more than doubled your money now a lot of you are probably thinking is it too late? 00:49.460 --> 00:53.540 Have I missed the boat? 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How do you have the time? 03:49.920 --> 03:56.700 I mean for me, I feel like I'm I'm pretty blessed to be able to 03:56.700 --> 04:03.220 afford to work at home with for now anyway the the sub-stack situation but 04:03.940 --> 04:11.580 For me, it's it's actually kind of slow going and and I don't feel like my output could be as as large as 04:11.580 --> 04:12.880 a as it could be 04:14.560 --> 04:18.180 Definitely being married to to Matt Eric 04:19.260 --> 04:26.280 We have a lot of fruitful discussions and it it's very you know, it really helps with the creative 04:27.980 --> 04:34.360 Flow by being able to bounce ideas off of another person on a regular basis for sure 04:34.360 --> 04:39.140 That's funny Cynthia. I had no idea you were actually married. I you don't make it clear 04:40.260 --> 04:43.660 It's not like yeah, my what my husband Matt 04:43.660 --> 04:48.740 I thought you were just kind of collaborative partners 04:49.860 --> 04:52.580 So do you are you Canadian? 04:54.480 --> 04:59.380 Yeah, yeah, I was born in Canada. My my mom was born in Hong Kong 04:59.380 --> 05:02.300 But my dad is a French Canadian 05:02.980 --> 05:07.080 Right now. I wanted to ask you that. I mean is your mom a tiger mom? 05:10.520 --> 05:16.020 You mean like personality wise no, I don't mean that I mean one of those mums that the Chinese 05:16.020 --> 05:21.860 Children are famous for having where you kind of get up at sort of five for your first ballet class 05:21.860 --> 05:26.020 And then you go and learn how to fly a helicopter and then you go and 05:26.940 --> 05:32.760 Breed koi or something or yeah, and then you then you have then you have advanced maths 05:33.360 --> 05:34.960 Did you did you have one of those? 05:37.160 --> 05:43.380 Well, I mean it is typical that I was put into extra curricular math 05:43.380 --> 05:46.400 kuman math, which is a popular 05:46.400 --> 05:49.220 Canada, I don't know about in the UK 05:52.540 --> 05:59.980 Yeah, well, I I I didn't mind it. I think that it's it's not bad. I never had anything so strict 06:01.440 --> 06:08.680 As like maybe some other the competition is very high, especially if you live in South Korea or China 06:09.400 --> 06:17.220 They're very competitive with their exam systems, but yeah, I did learn how to play classical piano as well and 06:18.380 --> 06:21.960 I did go into ballet and gymnastics when I was young, but 06:29.100 --> 06:32.600 Mostly white white girls in my class for 06:33.300 --> 06:34.760 gymnastics and ballet 06:35.380 --> 06:41.340 But you know, it's it's good because you're you're feeling things out too when you're young of like what what are you interested in? 06:41.560 --> 06:42.840 You know, I also played soccer 06:43.400 --> 06:49.200 And various other sports, so it was just good to have a lot of these kinds of activities 06:50.020 --> 06:58.380 I think I got a bit more of it as the the firstborn child of my family. So I was pretty lucky. I 06:58.380 --> 06:59.600 Do envy you 07:00.460 --> 07:05.240 Even if it were forced that you you've now you're now in adulthood 07:05.240 --> 07:10.400 And you've got this skill of being able to play the piano really well, which must be great 07:12.840 --> 07:17.200 Yeah, and I I want to eventually learn how to play the cello 07:17.200 --> 07:22.000 because I think the stringed instruments are the most beautiful but 07:22.000 --> 07:30.760 Yeah, there's an appreciation for for music on I guess another level when you can when you can play the instrument 07:31.320 --> 07:32.040 for sure 07:33.160 --> 07:34.500 Yeah, yeah 07:35.160 --> 07:41.120 Um, and obviously then you're gonna gonna have eventually have an orchestra in your in your home 07:41.120 --> 07:42.800 You're gonna teach my hat to play 07:43.880 --> 07:46.480 What's he gonna do play the timpani or something? 07:53.180 --> 07:55.300 He'll be he'll be the creative dancer 07:57.260 --> 07:59.720 That improv dancer by the way 07:59.720 --> 08:07.220 When you see Matt, which you probably be quite soon tell him I haven't forgotten that he's going to do a podcast with me on 08:07.220 --> 08:12.160 How the casarians were actually good is because that's gonna be quite popular 08:12.160 --> 08:17.180 I think with the it's quite a that's quite a tasty line to take with my audience 08:17.180 --> 08:23.780 Who presumably a lot of them will think that the casarian mafia the reason that the world is as it is 08:23.780 --> 08:32.620 Can I ask you a big question because you you you do all this you you've looked into Freemason really you you wrote an essay, which I 08:32.620 --> 08:34.020 I 08:34.580 --> 08:39.180 Didn't didn't finish a very involved essay on the 08:40.040 --> 08:46.840 connections between the Scottish right Freemasons and the mafia and this 08:46.840 --> 08:48.920 organization in 08:49.980 --> 08:50.860 15th century 08:51.820 --> 08:53.840 Seville I think 08:55.260 --> 09:00.640 I mean this is all this is all just like meat and drink to me, but 09:02.520 --> 09:07.840 Does it get you anywhere? I will what I mean is can you have you worked out yet? 09:08.640 --> 09:13.040 Who it is that runs the world and what their evil master plan is? 09:13.420 --> 09:18.180 Or do you think it's lots of different groups with different agendas? What where are you on this? 09:20.860 --> 09:28.680 And I mean for the audience to be aware that wasn't one article that was a series so like you you actually 09:29.620 --> 09:34.220 Talked about a lot already in and what you just did in that summary 09:34.960 --> 09:41.340 And and yeah, people can can read that on my sub-stack through a glass darkly by Cynthia Chung, but I 09:42.760 --> 09:47.560 Think that it does there is definitely I think a 09:49.360 --> 09:55.320 Babylonian origin and Egyptian origin and not to say that everything in 09:56.320 --> 10:01.160 Egypt was bad, I think that you know in the ancient times 10:01.160 --> 10:05.880 It was very common for there to be the the mystery schools 10:05.880 --> 10:12.380 What we would maybe call today secret societies and it was common to have cults, right? 10:12.460 --> 10:18.220 Like it wasn't just like how they use the term cult isn't how we think of a cult today were you know 10:18.220 --> 10:21.920 You dress all the same maybe and and you know 10:23.200 --> 10:26.100 You drink the the Kool-Aid sort of thing, right? 10:26.320 --> 10:26.460 but 10:27.400 --> 10:35.700 It was common back then to have like the cult of Apollo or the cult of Marduk in Babylon the cult of Horus in 10:35.920 --> 10:37.600 Egypt, which I really 10:38.280 --> 10:43.860 Found that there is a connection especially between those three nodes in 10:43.860 --> 10:49.060 Athens ancient Athens ancient Babylon and ancient Egypt 10:49.620 --> 10:54.480 That seemed to have been on a certain level corresponding with each other 10:54.480 --> 10:59.820 So these these cults which were temples they had often times priestesses 10:59.820 --> 11:02.600 I know that the cult of Apollo definitely had the priestesses 11:02.600 --> 11:07.160 I'm not so familiar with exactly how the cult of Horus was set up 11:07.160 --> 11:10.540 The cult of Marduk for instance when Cyrus the great 11:10.540 --> 11:16.780 Went into Babylon and you know took it over and this was going to be the beginning of the Persian Empire 11:16.780 --> 11:24.600 the story goes that the gates were open to him in Babylon by the Marduk priesthood and 11:25.460 --> 11:31.680 That the the king and his court and all of this they were slaughtered by 11:31.680 --> 11:39.300 Cyrus the great the Jewish captives were freed, but the Marduk priesthood were allowed to continue 11:40.440 --> 11:42.680 without like any kind of 11:43.440 --> 11:47.180 Interference like they didn't miss a beat basically in their day-to-day 11:49.300 --> 11:55.740 Organization so that's very telling and I think that you know when you were looking at the Roman emperors as well 11:56.920 --> 12:01.060 They're like when Octavius became the emperor of the Roman Empire 12:01.060 --> 12:03.660 There seems to have also been a certain 12:03.660 --> 12:08.340 dealings that he had with like certain civil cults 12:08.340 --> 12:09.980 so it seems that 12:09.980 --> 12:16.260 There was I'm not saying that every great leader or a very prominent leader 12:16.260 --> 12:21.940 Had to be like totally bot but there seems to have been 12:22.580 --> 12:30.720 A situation where any great leader would have to have a certain working relationship with powerful cults centers 12:32.080 --> 12:34.300 And again, not that they were all 12:34.300 --> 12:36.700 terrible and bad, but I 12:36.700 --> 12:42.700 Would say the Marduk priesthood was was was looks pretty bad to me 12:43.500 --> 12:45.380 Is that right? You 12:46.560 --> 12:47.240 Sorry 12:48.020 --> 12:55.640 They look bad to you presumably this is because they practice human sacrifice. I 12:55.640 --> 13:00.800 Mean everything that is coming out of the Babylonian culture. I mean yes human sacrifice 13:01.380 --> 13:03.360 Although human sacrifice was also 13:03.360 --> 13:09.380 Like it was happening elsewhere as well. It was is I think pretty common for a while 13:09.380 --> 13:15.700 I think that that was one of the interventions of Jesus right was to kind of intervene on 13:16.480 --> 13:18.260 Not to say that there wasn't 13:19.200 --> 13:21.000 prohibitions in the Old Testament, but 13:21.000 --> 13:29.700 There was really I think a shift at that point of the sacrifices need to stop altogether even animal sacrifices 13:30.980 --> 13:36.620 But I think that everything that has come out of the Babylonian culture, you know 13:36.620 --> 13:39.920 I've heard about the debt forgiveness and all of that but in terms of 13:39.920 --> 13:45.880 The cultural aspects the the religious practices and so forth. It just doesn't seem 13:47.060 --> 13:48.220 Very good 13:48.940 --> 13:50.160 ultimately and 13:50.800 --> 13:52.980 you know, I 13:52.980 --> 13:58.700 Have to do more more work into how the the Jewish captives even right? 13:58.700 --> 14:00.280 were influenced with the 14:01.040 --> 14:06.020 being captives in Babylon for as long as they were and and how much did that 14:06.620 --> 14:10.620 Possibly shift and and have a reinterpretation of 14:11.260 --> 14:16.800 Their history and and and their identity in in in things. It's it's very complicated 14:17.420 --> 14:19.780 But that is like for me 14:20.460 --> 14:26.620 The origin and that's why Freemasonry there is a lot of clear emphasis on the Egyptian rights 14:26.620 --> 14:31.620 I still have to do more work on this, but definitely, you know, Garibaldi 14:33.280 --> 14:34.840 You know Napoleon 14:35.820 --> 14:36.380 Mazzini 14:37.800 --> 14:38.920 Alistair Crowley 14:39.600 --> 14:42.100 They're all very much involved in like the 14:42.800 --> 14:45.300 Memphis Ms. Ram Egyptian rights 14:45.300 --> 14:50.980 Which I don't I still don't know enough to talk about and I had to stop that series at a certain point and 14:50.980 --> 14:55.960 Actually start this Rosicrucian series, which is starting to give me a better 14:56.640 --> 15:00.800 Handle on how to eventually complete the the Mafia Brotherhood 15:01.360 --> 15:07.300 Series, but yeah, it's a lot to chew on and because you threw out the Mafia in there 15:07.880 --> 15:11.360 I'll say for people who want a little bit of a teaser 15:11.920 --> 15:17.760 That it looks like the origins of the Mafia Brotherhood started with some of the Catholic 15:17.760 --> 15:20.760 Milton groupings that have it seems 15:21.280 --> 15:24.000 All of their origins come from the Benedictine order 15:24.000 --> 15:26.860 So like the Templars the Knights of Malta the 15:27.480 --> 15:34.100 Cistercians and and so forth all have their origins with the Benedictine 15:34.100 --> 15:39.880 Order and the Mafia Brotherhood seems to have had its origins within that that construct 15:39.880 --> 15:41.800 Spain as well had 15:42.640 --> 15:43.780 militant orders 15:44.360 --> 15:48.240 That were again had their source with the the Benedictines 15:50.820 --> 15:58.080 Well, that's interesting in itself, isn't it because Benedictine monks are they normally associated with being baddies I 16:00.780 --> 16:05.980 You know, I'm coming at a lot of this research without previous 16:06.740 --> 16:07.380 I 16:08.040 --> 16:13.780 Guess you could say baggage in a sense like I didn't have a solid, you know 16:14.420 --> 16:22.200 Opinions or or I guess you could say prejudices. I'm kind of like following threads and 16:22.900 --> 16:24.600 because I 16:24.600 --> 16:29.860 Feel that my generation, especially that was one classical education kind of really 16:30.580 --> 16:37.980 Stopped and I feel that I'm constantly going into a subject with a great deal of ignorance 16:37.980 --> 16:44.460 But you know Nicholas of Cusa has the term learned ignorance the more, you know, the more you you know, you don't know 16:45.100 --> 16:45.700 but 16:45.700 --> 16:52.600 From what I've looked at from my research the Benedictines which seems to be the oldest 16:54.400 --> 16:56.740 Order has very bad 16:57.380 --> 16:57.980 Yes 16:58.760 --> 16:59.360 origins 17:00.260 --> 17:02.280 to it and 17:02.900 --> 17:07.500 Again, I can't say too much from it right now other than like for instance 17:07.500 --> 17:09.380 Matz revenge of the mystery cult 17:09.900 --> 17:10.780 book series 17:11.460 --> 17:17.240 He talks about the Apollo connection with Saint Benedict and his sister 17:17.240 --> 17:25.100 Scholastica, it's very odd that they were buried together in a urn, which was like they were very close to each other 17:25.100 --> 17:29.660 I don't even know if they were twins, but they were very close and 17:29.660 --> 17:35.720 They died very close to each other as well and they were buried together in an urn that was actually 17:36.800 --> 17:41.240 A church that had been built on top of an Apollo 17:42.040 --> 17:47.340 Temple site and I find that not to be a coincidence and 17:47.920 --> 17:49.700 Also a very big 17:49.700 --> 17:55.540 Indication that the Benedict's were not the best was I don't know if you're familiar 17:55.540 --> 17:58.160 You probably are with like Tiberias's 17:58.160 --> 17:59.120 Capri 18:00.620 --> 18:04.000 Escapades and the fact that there was a lot of 18:04.600 --> 18:08.960 You know human sacrifice going on there as well Tiberias was 18:11.420 --> 18:14.540 One of the like the second or the third Roman Emperor 18:14.540 --> 18:21.680 I'm not fully remembering the the order but he was there still at the very beginning of the Roman Empire and 18:21.680 --> 18:28.680 He eventually started to just vacation most of the time in Capri, which became a huge cult center 18:28.680 --> 18:30.840 if not already and 18:30.840 --> 18:31.620 this 18:32.620 --> 18:39.440 Center was given to the the Benedict's later on I forgot the name of the person who 18:39.440 --> 18:44.920 Who like gave that so there's all of these very disturbing connections 18:46.120 --> 18:51.800 With you know these groupings that are playing off of each other into 18:53.740 --> 18:56.040 Certain I guess you could say 18:56.780 --> 18:58.000 forms of 18:59.020 --> 19:02.880 Psyops that we you can see that there's a lot of continuation 19:03.580 --> 19:10.480 In the world that we live in today, even though it's it's not exactly the same and I think that there is 19:11.430 --> 19:18.400 A clear attempt to kind of re usher in that that old age of mystery cults 19:18.400 --> 19:20.380 and I think that with the 19:21.160 --> 19:22.520 with our kind of 19:23.460 --> 19:24.480 zeitgeist being 19:25.000 --> 19:26.780 ever more connected to 19:26.780 --> 19:31.120 Social media type things but also things like Netflix or 19:31.120 --> 19:34.280 Prime video or whatever, you know, you're watching 19:35.100 --> 19:42.360 Like Netflix is international now. So there are every country has like a certain kind of formula 19:42.940 --> 19:47.540 That kind of has a tinge of their culture with their language and their quirks 19:48.340 --> 19:51.660 But there's a this like repeated formula that's now being done 19:52.260 --> 19:56.500 throughout like the worlds on certain kind of key 19:57.240 --> 19:57.960 formulaic 19:58.660 --> 20:00.900 Experiences that they want people to go through 20:01.540 --> 20:02.520 via Netflix 20:03.380 --> 20:07.400 Which is kind of homogenizing people in some ways 20:08.140 --> 20:11.360 Towards and nudging them in certain directions 20:11.360 --> 20:20.740 And I feel that this is very much akin to how things were done in the the olden days in terms of like the mystery cult 20:22.760 --> 20:29.660 Ways of controlling how the masses are viewing the reality that they're living in. I don't know if that sounded crazy 20:31.140 --> 20:38.220 That sounded real well like everything you said really really really interesting. You are a fund of information 20:38.220 --> 20:46.920 Tell me about the the things that you're seeing on on Netflix the sort of the patterns which are being repeated across in the different languages 20:46.920 --> 20:48.880 But how are they trying to condition us? 20:48.880 --> 20:55.580 I mean the obvious one for me is that the number of lesbian relationships in is 20:56.160 --> 21:04.520 Netflix is off the scale and there was I thought there was also a there was also a kind of crime drama thing where the police 21:05.580 --> 21:09.340 I don't really call it a police thing. So I couldn't work out. There was a man or a woman 21:09.880 --> 21:11.740 Was was was transgender 21:13.660 --> 21:17.800 Is that the sort of thing where you thinking about the stuff? Oh 21:17.800 --> 21:19.200 That's part of it 21:19.700 --> 21:26.340 Definitely, and I do think that it's it's getting a little bit weird, you know when when people of 21:27.140 --> 21:29.660 the more I guess liberal woke 21:30.480 --> 21:30.880 perspective 21:31.720 --> 21:34.280 How they're viewing themselves as becoming 21:35.560 --> 21:36.360 emancipated 21:36.900 --> 21:37.300 empowered 21:38.240 --> 21:38.680 politically 21:40.000 --> 21:44.040 active is all revolving around sexuality and 21:44.040 --> 21:48.320 Like sexuality is the most and like having sex 21:48.960 --> 21:54.660 It's just like the most important thing in the world and I find it 21:55.440 --> 21:56.040 very 21:56.940 --> 21:59.300 disappointing and and like 22:00.180 --> 22:06.260 Honestly, just like the lowest, you know level of of of being I 22:06.260 --> 22:07.660 there's a show 22:09.020 --> 22:15.660 Industry and it's about like, you know people in in the finance market in the UK and 22:16.920 --> 22:18.060 It has like 22:18.060 --> 22:25.800 7.5 IMDb rating and and so I'm like I'll look at it just to see like how are they talking about the 22:25.800 --> 22:32.640 Finance situation in the UK and like these young people who are getting in the field and it was like so crazy 22:33.180 --> 22:34.260 centralized around 22:34.260 --> 22:40.920 Sex like and like really crazy, you know types of of things 22:41.820 --> 22:47.320 You know SNM is becoming like really normal now, but 22:47.860 --> 22:49.480 There wasn't any actual 22:50.520 --> 22:59.120 Intellectual like there wasn't any intelligence around actually talking about the finances and I feel that you know 22:59.120 --> 23:06.340 When you make sexuality the most important thing to me, that's like you're kind of accepting 23:06.840 --> 23:13.770 being controlled by pleasure clean stimulus, which is basically akin to being treated like, you know an animal and 23:14.400 --> 23:19.820 You know horari for instance this was famous for his speech at 23:20.680 --> 23:27.900 The World Economic Forum where he was saying, you know, they're going to be able to have these algorithms on 23:27.900 --> 23:33.700 The internet, right? So like if you are watching whatever a podcast or a movie 23:33.700 --> 23:38.940 It's going to be able to measure your heart. It's going to be able to measure how your eyes are 23:39.580 --> 23:43.460 moving and maybe like how much you're sweating or whatever and 23:44.200 --> 23:46.100 So it's going to know your thoughts 23:46.100 --> 23:52.340 Things and I felt like to be like the most basically he was talking about a somewhat more, you know 23:52.340 --> 23:57.220 Fancy polygraph which are by the way notorious for not being reliable 23:57.900 --> 24:04.160 But he was talking about things as if you were like an animal like how could you possibly know 24:04.160 --> 24:11.480 Like how someone is thinking about things on a higher philosophical plane by just how their eyes are moving and how fast 24:11.480 --> 24:14.300 You're basically just measuring, you know 24:15.080 --> 24:20.140 Excitement anger, you know very basic emotions and it's clear that horari 24:21.600 --> 24:24.180 identifies at that lower level 24:24.860 --> 24:26.020 and I think that 24:26.020 --> 24:32.260 That's how I view these these kinds of shows that are focused on that 24:32.260 --> 24:39.060 It's to train you to think at the lower level. It's like game theory, too, right? It trains you to accept 24:39.900 --> 24:47.160 limited parameters in an artificial scenario so that you you think that you have to react with this pleasure 24:47.160 --> 24:53.660 Punishment incentives in order to get ahead which makes you actually more easily controlled 24:54.380 --> 25:00.720 Um, so that is how I view that whole construct and I mean I could care less honestly about 25:01.380 --> 25:06.380 Someone's sexuality and I don't even want to have arguments over that. I'm just I'm of the viewpoint 25:07.360 --> 25:15.320 It's it's not something to celebrate or you know, think you somehow accomplished something by being like whatever on the 25:15.320 --> 25:16.980 sexuality scale 25:17.640 --> 25:20.860 But there are other things on Netflix that are very 25:21.460 --> 25:23.080 Like oriented towards 25:24.920 --> 25:27.820 Popularizing witchcraft like satanic 25:28.760 --> 25:29.200 rituals 25:30.840 --> 25:34.080 Horror films that are are are getting into 25:34.960 --> 25:37.160 Like sort of initiation programs 25:37.980 --> 25:41.660 I was I was listening to um someone who 25:42.060 --> 25:48.800 Has even though they're a believer in um, a lot of this like occult mystical stuff that they they were talking about 25:48.800 --> 25:54.620 They were useful because they they they talk about it somewhat from an academic standpoint bringing up books and all that 25:54.620 --> 25:58.260 But they had a watch party on this movie called hereditary 25:59.080 --> 26:06.040 Which was uh done not that long ago. You know, one of these I think a 24 films and a 24 is just taking over on this like 26:06.040 --> 26:08.920 higher level occult social engineering stuff 26:09.520 --> 26:12.160 but um, they were talking, uh 26:12.840 --> 26:14.620 about this this film 26:14.620 --> 26:16.220 and they 26:16.780 --> 26:22.420 Acknowledged themselves and and some of these people are practitioners, right of like black magic 26:22.420 --> 26:27.080 So they're either thalamites or golden dawn, you know priests 26:27.880 --> 26:31.900 And but they're like very normal nerdy people which was 26:31.900 --> 26:32.820 Interesting 26:33.280 --> 26:39.180 But they were seeing themselves that they were shocked at how many people after watching hereditary 26:39.180 --> 26:44.680 Which was about a specific demon called paimon went on to social media platforms 26:45.280 --> 26:51.800 Looking up how to be able to become a practitioner of magic so that you could conjure 26:52.360 --> 26:53.400 demonic spirits 26:57.640 --> 27:03.600 Yeah, that would that would figure so was this this film was a was a was a drama 27:05.400 --> 27:12.600 Was it yeah, I didn't watch it I did like um a quick kind of overview because I I refuse to like 27:12.600 --> 27:15.860 Sit through a whole movie like this because it's these 27:16.580 --> 27:18.680 these things also like they 27:19.400 --> 27:26.700 No one I think is immune to being um influenced a little bit even on your subconscious when you when you're constantly watching these things 27:26.700 --> 27:30.240 so I only look at summaries now when it it looks like something that is 27:31.060 --> 27:33.800 pretty influential in a negative way for social 27:34.520 --> 27:36.520 engineering and um 27:37.240 --> 27:42.520 Uh, it it basically is um a movie that is talking about 27:42.600 --> 27:47.880 This paimon devil that somehow you know if there's a satanic cult and it's being passed down through a bloodline 27:47.880 --> 27:54.160 But there are three sacrifices within this family of the elder woman the the mother and then her child 27:54.680 --> 27:58.440 And but it's to ultimately unleash this paimon demon 27:58.440 --> 28:00.600 He's one of the four kings of hell 28:00.600 --> 28:02.200 according to the 28:02.200 --> 28:04.740 the john d allister crowley 28:05.740 --> 28:07.100 demonology lore right 28:07.770 --> 28:09.640 And I mean it goes before john d 28:09.640 --> 28:17.000 But the end is to unleash the antichrist like paimon is sort of like an antichrist kind of character. I guess 28:17.580 --> 28:20.640 um that is also supposed to be able to talk to 28:21.110 --> 28:24.360 Like to uh to I guess unleash all the other demons 28:24.360 --> 28:27.540 You know, it's like a kind of rift in hell sort of concept 28:27.540 --> 28:34.320 And it was very interesting to listen to these people talk who believe that they can they can conjure spirits 28:34.320 --> 28:37.640 And they say oh paimon isn't really like this when I talk to him 28:37.640 --> 28:43.680 Um, but that what was very interesting is that they would have preferred they said if the movie had just stayed 28:44.220 --> 28:47.860 Psychological and that you didn't know whether everything was happening 28:48.480 --> 28:50.940 In the main character's head or not 28:51.460 --> 28:56.200 And that the satanic cult wasn't really real and they also don't like that these occult groups are always 28:56.200 --> 28:56.940 uh 28:57.520 --> 29:03.880 Portrait as satanic, which is also funny, but um, they would have preferred it to stay 29:04.320 --> 29:11.640 Logical, but the last scene really shows that it was real and the director also later said in interviews. No, this was all real 29:12.220 --> 29:19.000 and they didn't like that and uh, especially the the golden dawn priest guy his his name is erin leech 29:19.700 --> 29:25.980 Who is in this like watch party on the youtube page esoterica is uh, where I was watching this 29:25.980 --> 29:31.820 And he said I would have preferred, uh, if that last scene just wasn't there and 29:32.220 --> 29:34.460 for me the movie is 29:35.260 --> 29:39.900 Uh, you know ends before that last scene because I reject that last scene 29:39.900 --> 29:43.300 And it was so bizarre that these people didn't 29:43.820 --> 29:48.740 Realize like they think that allister crawley for instance isn't an a satanic person 29:49.180 --> 29:50.900 They themselves rejected 29:51.640 --> 29:53.620 That ending that it was 29:54.460 --> 29:57.260 About an antichrist, you know storyline 29:58.220 --> 30:01.400 So that was a huge tangent, uh 30:02.300 --> 30:09.440 Netflix, there's other things about Netflix too that, uh, I could talk about the the movie nas feratu was also like 30:09.440 --> 30:11.980 Holy crap that is 30:12.620 --> 30:15.840 Um, I'll just say something really quick, uh on that 30:15.840 --> 30:21.720 That is about necrophilia on and that was like a mainstream ish movie, right? 30:21.720 --> 30:28.680 Nos feratu with johnny depp's uh daughter rose depp or something like that and, um 30:29.440 --> 30:34.760 Super disturbing she was there's willem defoe even makes a reference to her being a priestess of isis 30:35.520 --> 30:39.720 in this nos feratu movie and, um, if 30:40.560 --> 30:44.040 People are not aware the frankfort school, um adorno 30:44.040 --> 30:47.760 I'm the adora adorno from the frankfort school had said 30:48.360 --> 30:54.400 That necrophilia was going to be the last stage of like, you know 30:54.940 --> 30:59.320 What they wanted to to bring about as a the last, um 30:59.320 --> 31:05.820 I forgot now is actually in that article that you you said that you were also interested in talking about the the false flag 31:07.560 --> 31:14.100 Um paper on a william sergeant and mk ultra and all that I can find it 31:14.680 --> 31:17.760 Very quickly, um because I have it already open 31:18.240 --> 31:22.680 So he wrote yeah that there are to achieve maximum suggestibility 31:22.680 --> 31:31.380 The adora adorno wrote in the philosophy of modern music that it would come in four steps to achieve maximum suggestibility 31:31.380 --> 31:33.480 The first one was depersonalization 31:34.000 --> 31:36.300 The loss of connection to one's own body 31:36.980 --> 31:43.500 To have frenia which he defined as the indifference of the sick individual towards the external 31:43.900 --> 31:51.240 Three catatonia which he wrote as a similar behavior is familiar in patients who have been overwhelmed by shock 31:52.220 --> 31:58.900 And for necrophilia to which adorno wrote universal necrophilia is the last 31:59.420 --> 32:00.720 perversity of style 32:01.400 --> 32:06.660 And yeah, I felt that nos feratu was definitely, um 32:07.360 --> 32:08.660 Uh for that 32:09.460 --> 32:09.900 um 32:10.560 --> 32:17.020 And this guy is the one who did like the north men, which is another thing with the whole viking stuff being brought in to 32:17.020 --> 32:23.300 Uh to also get into this sort of weirdness will them defose like in all of this guys all of these guys 32:23.300 --> 32:26.200 Uh movies at robert eckerton. I think his name is 32:27.060 --> 32:30.700 Anyway, that was a long rant. Sorry. No. No, this is all interesting 32:30.700 --> 32:34.900 I hadn't thought I think I saw the north men things that is that what the one film in iceland 32:34.900 --> 32:37.960 Where they're always the beating hell out of each other with yeah 32:37.960 --> 32:38.100 Uh 32:39.040 --> 32:47.380 Yeah, it was like a very stylized film and there wasn't like too much like with nicole kimmon, right? Like there wasn't anything like too 32:48.000 --> 32:53.980 overtly weird in that but if you look at uh, I think its name is robert eckerton something very similar to that 32:54.560 --> 32:56.620 He's he's clearly a satanist 32:57.160 --> 33:02.000 On the high level and uh will them defose like in all of his movies and with the north men 33:02.000 --> 33:08.580 The thing that I guess is of particular interest to me is the the initiation process for the kid 33:09.140 --> 33:16.380 First of all the the this idea of like what is shamanism bjork, you know, is the is a shaman in the the movie 33:16.930 --> 33:18.080 and this return to 33:18.840 --> 33:23.160 The end scene, you know where they're fighting with the fire all around and everything 33:23.900 --> 33:28.780 I think that part of that is again to have us return and there's like a scene too, right? 33:28.780 --> 33:32.180 Where the guy's wearing like a deer head or whatever with the fire 33:32.700 --> 33:34.460 I loved it. Um, it's to get 33:36.380 --> 33:42.900 Right you went hunting yesterday, but I was hunting foxes. That's different. Ah, okay 33:43.420 --> 33:49.820 um, but yeah, that's it's to have us return to a very I think, um 33:50.420 --> 33:50.980 uh 33:51.660 --> 33:53.440 primitive, um 33:54.140 --> 33:56.460 You know way of being which 33:57.180 --> 34:01.560 Uh, I think again just ties us to 34:02.100 --> 34:03.480 um raw emotion 34:04.220 --> 34:04.660 and 34:05.240 --> 34:06.480 um, I think that 34:07.020 --> 34:15.140 Basically, it's a chaos factor. Um, and they they want that chaos factor. They want to get us out of 34:15.140 --> 34:22.020 what, um, you know, we've been taught the last few decades in terms of 34:22.020 --> 34:27.620 You know under the kennedy era like we thought we were civilized people. We thought that 34:28.260 --> 34:32.280 We had progress and we had we were going to just have a more positive 34:32.900 --> 34:37.940 Future always like there's just going advancements were going to be for the benefit of humankind 34:38.720 --> 34:41.880 And now increasingly I would say the majority of people 34:42.720 --> 34:49.780 Don't believe in that and partially because like these advancements the the scientific achievements have been largely now 34:49.780 --> 34:56.860 Controlled by the the gatekeepers of the military industrial complex, right? So anyone who does make a very large 34:57.460 --> 34:57.960 um 34:57.960 --> 35:01.120 discovery within universities is 35:01.680 --> 35:05.580 The funding the grants are already like very difficult for you to get 35:06.020 --> 35:08.900 As a researcher, but then so 35:09.460 --> 35:15.520 Oftentimes it's the military industrial complex that offers you funding but you have to kind of sign away your 35:16.300 --> 35:22.280 Control over the project and they can I see you out or they can you know, they can do whatever they want with the project 35:22.280 --> 35:23.880 They could they can kill the project 35:24.920 --> 35:25.880 um, so 35:26.460 --> 35:27.640 You know, I think that 35:28.240 --> 35:30.240 This idea of like the 35:30.880 --> 35:37.280 Not believing in the ability to achieve, you know positive developments. There's like this this huge 35:37.280 --> 35:40.740 Wave, I think of people wanting to return to 35:41.360 --> 35:42.480 You know a more 35:43.040 --> 35:43.560 natural 35:44.200 --> 35:50.680 Way of living but like from the standpoint of like living in the woods, you know living in caves living 35:51.400 --> 35:54.120 um on a really basic level and 35:54.820 --> 35:57.900 I think that that is again to try to get people 35:58.320 --> 36:02.640 To be more easily controlled, you know these ideas of of living in 36:03.160 --> 36:04.220 communes and stuff 36:04.840 --> 36:06.140 it's it's going to be 36:06.840 --> 36:08.460 easier I think to 36:09.190 --> 36:15.980 To control these kinds of situations. They've been encouraging communes since like the 1800s 36:15.980 --> 36:18.200 And if you look at the people who started 36:18.820 --> 36:23.580 You know the communes and the kind of weird stuff like there's a lot of historical 36:25.000 --> 36:29.080 Documentation on the weird things that were happening in the communes. They were they were 36:29.660 --> 36:32.320 human experiment, you know societal 36:33.140 --> 36:33.700 Experimentations 36:33.700 --> 36:40.080 Ascona is probably the one of the more popular ones, but that was more for like, you know, bourgeoisie 36:40.720 --> 36:43.360 Uh, you know more rich type people 36:44.340 --> 36:45.500 Where was this gonna? 36:47.860 --> 36:57.420 Ascona, uh, it's it's in switzerland and each it seems to be one of the the biggest, uh hubs for what would later start 36:57.420 --> 37:00.380 The the counterculture movement 37:01.040 --> 37:05.140 That was connected with the Esselin Institute kind of offshoot 37:05.820 --> 37:10.720 um, and like so you had very interestingly in Ascona, um 37:11.560 --> 37:15.300 I'm forgetting now the name of the the so they had um 37:15.300 --> 37:19.820 Like dance sections. They had psychologists in Ascona. They had 37:20.700 --> 37:25.740 writers like uh, d.h. Lawrence, but um very interestingly the psychologists 37:26.180 --> 37:32.440 They were both Freud's disciples. Otto Gross was the first Freud disciple and he 37:32.440 --> 37:33.040 um 37:34.020 --> 37:38.460 You know had a very radical ideas of of how to 37:39.100 --> 37:40.280 basically destroy 37:40.880 --> 37:43.980 the patriarch patriarchal christian 37:44.560 --> 37:51.620 Civilizational matrix and replace it more with like a kind of matriarchical back of fin type view 37:51.620 --> 38:00.760 And Carl Jung who became the second disciple of Freud was recruited into Ascona but when Otto Gross became his patient 38:01.860 --> 38:02.540 um 38:03.060 --> 38:08.260 And Otto Gross seems to have like not that Carl Jung didn't have his problems 38:08.260 --> 38:10.940 But before then but that Otto Gross like totally 38:11.560 --> 38:19.660 Got him recruited into this Ascona thing which also started this weird sun worshiping and and and like arian 38:19.660 --> 38:21.860 Uh component there was a movie 38:22.780 --> 38:26.540 Made on that weird story between Carl Jung and Otto Gross. Um 38:27.020 --> 38:28.800 a dangerous method with a 38:28.800 --> 38:34.200 Kieran Knightley and uh Viggo Mordensen and I forgot the other actor 38:37.400 --> 38:43.860 Global warming is a massive con. There was no evidence whatsoever 38:44.470 --> 38:51.620 That man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle 38:51.620 --> 38:59.700 In order to deal with it. It's a non-existent problem. But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends? 38:59.960 --> 39:05.800 Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book 39:06.420 --> 39:10.260 Watermelons which captures the story of how 39:10.800 --> 39:17.220 Some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to 39:17.220 --> 39:21.500 Fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land 39:22.400 --> 39:27.140 It's a shocking story. I wrote it as I say in the well 2011 actually 39:27.140 --> 39:34.800 The first edition came out and it's a snapshot of a particular era the era when 39:35.310 --> 39:40.360 The people behind the chime climate change scan got caught red-handed 39:40.960 --> 39:42.080 Tinkering with the data 39:42.080 --> 39:46.480 Torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen 39:47.180 --> 39:54.220 Climategate so I give you the background to to the skull jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where 39:54.220 --> 39:57.660 These supposed experts were informing us. We've got to act now 39:58.230 --> 40:03.440 I rumbled their their scan. I then asked the question. Okay, if it is a scan 40:04.080 --> 40:06.760 Who's doing this and and why? 40:07.440 --> 40:08.220 It's a good story 40:08.720 --> 40:13.780 I I've kept the the original book pretty much as is but I've written two 40:14.320 --> 40:17.680 New chapters one at the beginning and one at the end 40:17.680 --> 40:21.700 Explaining how it's even worse than we thought 40:22.320 --> 40:25.560 I think it's a I think it still stands up. I think it's it's a good read 40:26.080 --> 40:28.980 Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it you can buy it from 40:29.860 --> 40:31.460 jamesdellingpole.co.uk 40:32.160 --> 40:33.220 forward slash shop 40:33.220 --> 40:38.320 But you're probably fine that might just go get to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk 40:39.060 --> 40:46.480 And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those 40:46.980 --> 40:49.320 People who are still persuaded that oh 40:49.320 --> 40:55.840 It's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god every day. It's a scam 40:59.340 --> 41:07.760 Got him recruited into this a skona thing which also started this weird sun worshiping and and and and like arian 41:08.240 --> 41:10.000 Uh component. There was a movie 41:10.860 --> 41:14.580 made on that weird story between carly young and autogross. Um 41:15.120 --> 41:16.940 a dangerous method with uh 41:16.940 --> 41:22.320 Kieran nightly and uh vigo morton mortensen and I forgot the other actor 41:24.520 --> 41:25.200 Right 41:26.080 --> 41:30.900 Sorry, I was just distracted that it came into my head. Um 41:31.840 --> 41:33.120 The black sun 41:34.820 --> 41:40.540 The the the black sun is is is what's on the jesuit flag, isn't it? 41:42.020 --> 41:43.080 Is that right? 41:44.180 --> 41:51.720 Well, it's it's it's like not uh, I think officially called a black sun, but that is interesting 41:51.720 --> 41:52.740 I never actually 41:53.300 --> 42:01.200 Thought about it that way. I don't I actually don't know how many spokes the the black sun has but the jesuit has 32 spokes 42:02.240 --> 42:02.880 um 42:03.640 --> 42:06.540 and uh on that interesting note the smithsonian has 42:07.380 --> 42:11.580 A jesuit sign with 16 spokes and it's a definitely 42:12.120 --> 42:15.200 um connected with jesuit activity 42:15.880 --> 42:16.480 um 42:16.940 --> 42:21.160 And they also did weird stuff with the the native americans 42:21.940 --> 42:23.920 Which I wrote a book on but 42:24.540 --> 42:27.680 Yeah, I didn't actually think about it from that angle. That's interesting 42:28.520 --> 42:29.000 um 42:29.640 --> 42:34.720 I shouldn't have distracted you that because you're you were doing brilliantly on your on your 42:35.860 --> 42:38.940 fantastic tangents anyway, Cynthia, which I've been loving 42:40.760 --> 42:41.720 It's um 42:43.620 --> 42:45.360 I'll tell you what talking to you 42:46.040 --> 42:49.720 It's like going to see the conspiracy doctor, you know, you've got doctor 42:49.720 --> 42:50.460 I've got all these 42:50.460 --> 42:55.300 I've got all these conspiracies in my head. Can you explain them to me? 42:55.800 --> 43:03.000 And you're pretty you're pretty good at grounding it all in in research and um, can we just take a step back for a moment because 43:03.640 --> 43:04.360 I'll tell you where 43:05.860 --> 43:08.560 Where I've got you in my 43:09.660 --> 43:12.720 Five years of researching this sort of 43:13.440 --> 43:14.560 Who runs the world? 43:15.640 --> 43:16.160 thing 43:16.160 --> 43:17.660 Um 43:18.620 --> 43:20.060 I had more or less 43:21.060 --> 43:23.080 reached the conclusion that everything 43:24.360 --> 43:25.660 everything from 43:26.400 --> 43:33.340 The behavior of pop stars and movie stars in in photo shoots all this sort of stuff to 43:33.860 --> 43:38.760 the child trafficking trade and adrenochrome and the general kind of 43:38.760 --> 43:39.620 Yeah 43:40.480 --> 43:42.640 Ritual sacrifice among the elites 43:43.160 --> 43:44.900 the way that we're that we 43:45.640 --> 43:52.760 useless eaters we we go in whatever you want to call us are controlled and despised by the by the ruling elites that 43:53.720 --> 43:55.200 And and indeed the religious 43:57.520 --> 44:04.360 Views of the people who run the world, you know, they call themselves the brotherhood, I think among other things that all of this stuff 44:04.360 --> 44:08.400 Can be traced back to what what we know as the Babylonian 44:09.060 --> 44:10.160 mystery religions 44:11.200 --> 44:11.680 but 44:12.260 --> 44:17.260 As I understand it from you, it's not as simple as it's all down to Babylon. You're saying that there were actually 44:18.940 --> 44:19.440 Three 44:20.620 --> 44:26.540 Lock-eye you might say that we can connect it to so there's a polo worship in ancient Greece 44:27.200 --> 44:29.460 there's the memphis the egyptians 44:29.980 --> 44:30.480 and 44:31.180 --> 44:36.720 Babylon Babylon is the is the third of this is is that right and and also 44:36.720 --> 44:39.540 When you were talking about Horus 44:40.160 --> 44:41.420 Marduk, was it called? 44:42.860 --> 44:43.900 Horus Marduk and the pie 44:47.220 --> 44:50.200 Are these all ultimately the same 44:51.020 --> 44:52.560 root god, I mean because 44:53.700 --> 44:58.640 I mean in in my book all these different gods that different 44:59.560 --> 45:01.880 ancient races worshiped are essentially 45:03.260 --> 45:07.120 For the angels rebadged given a given a kind of local name 45:07.720 --> 45:15.140 That they're they're basically the demons that the the the angels that were flying out of heaven and united under under Lucifer 45:15.620 --> 45:19.960 They're all the kind of these are these these are the sort of the gods that have been given free play in this world 45:20.520 --> 45:21.180 do you 45:21.780 --> 45:22.440 do you 45:23.000 --> 45:23.940 Share that view or 45:26.520 --> 45:26.920 Um 45:27.920 --> 45:33.400 I am of the view where I I I don't really believe in 45:34.840 --> 45:37.480 It's like there's there's a I guess 45:37.480 --> 45:41.280 A fine line right or like there's 45:41.780 --> 45:44.660 Like what is real versus what is not real? 45:45.000 --> 45:52.700 What is material reality versus like does something have to have material reality to be real and so from that standpoint? 45:53.940 --> 46:00.280 I understand I understand that there there are things that are real that don't have like a material 46:00.980 --> 46:01.440 uh 46:02.020 --> 46:02.560 manifestation 46:03.400 --> 46:10.200 That I know through my my own self right that I have a soul and I have a mind I have reason 46:10.900 --> 46:14.580 Um, and clearly if if people share 46:15.300 --> 46:16.200 an idea 46:17.040 --> 46:18.580 There is a manifestation 46:19.080 --> 46:22.160 That will occur in in certain ways 46:22.920 --> 46:26.680 Um, but is that is that what what an integral means? 46:28.180 --> 46:28.900 A what? 46:29.720 --> 46:30.200 Egregor 46:31.500 --> 46:33.880 Is that how you pronounce it egregor egregor 46:36.340 --> 46:39.240 I don't know what that is. I think an egregor 46:39.240 --> 46:40.840 If I'm pronouncing it right 46:41.480 --> 46:44.680 Is a kind of a collective idea which becomes a thing 46:44.680 --> 46:51.000 Because it is shared but but like I could have got my my my definition wrong. Anyway, it doesn't it doesn't matter for the 46:51.000 --> 46:54.720 So to pin you down here because I've noticed this with with with 46:55.500 --> 46:57.520 Matthew as with with with matt as well 46:58.340 --> 46:58.780 I 46:59.740 --> 47:00.180 get 47:01.480 --> 47:06.600 Deconstructing some of some of his myriad podcasts that he's done and and I've listened to quite a lot of them 47:08.040 --> 47:12.040 I get the vibe that he doesn't really believe in the reality 47:12.940 --> 47:13.380 of 47:14.200 --> 47:20.660 Of of gods and demons and stuff. He doesn't he doesn't that he thinks of them as ideas not not real entities 47:21.360 --> 47:22.380 um, I 47:23.160 --> 47:28.180 But I don't I don't want to talk about matt's view, but I want to find out what you think 47:28.180 --> 47:30.660 Do you do you believe in in god, for example? 47:31.760 --> 47:32.340 a god 47:32.340 --> 47:35.820 Yes, I believe 47:38.900 --> 47:47.740 Yes, god is definitely there. Um, I I don't have a concept of god, um as like having 47:48.380 --> 47:52.140 Anything identifiable identifiable though in terms of like 47:52.760 --> 47:58.960 You know, oh god was angry, you know, and so this happened like I I feel that 47:59.580 --> 48:05.960 The how I've come to an understanding of god again, like I think that all of us are kind of 48:06.580 --> 48:14.060 limited to this way of of of having a concept of god is that you can only know it through 48:14.500 --> 48:21.300 What you what you have access to within your own, you know, sphere of of being 48:22.060 --> 48:22.600 and 48:23.820 --> 48:26.120 Over the years I've come to 48:26.960 --> 48:31.160 believe that there is a creator that there is 48:31.860 --> 48:34.520 An organized principle to creation 48:35.360 --> 48:42.120 That has an intention towards ever perfect ability and that it is good and that we are born sacred 48:42.730 --> 48:48.780 I do, you know, believe and and matt also, uh, you know believes in in in this as well 48:49.710 --> 48:50.080 and 48:50.870 --> 48:53.740 and that we have, uh, you know 48:53.740 --> 48:55.940 free will and so 48:56.930 --> 49:00.040 When there are satanic things that are occurring 49:01.340 --> 49:02.080 Um 49:02.650 --> 49:09.760 I don't I don't view anything that like is happening to us as a as as humans 49:10.340 --> 49:18.000 Um in our zeitgeist and all of this as something of a as a external spiritual 49:18.500 --> 49:20.260 uh phenomenon, but that 49:20.260 --> 49:22.040 uh, we ourselves 49:22.960 --> 49:24.700 have, uh 49:25.080 --> 49:26.480 A very complex 49:27.220 --> 49:31.860 You know, um process that we do have to go through 49:32.480 --> 49:37.780 From ignorance to to something that is akin to wisdom 49:38.740 --> 49:43.880 Um, there's this irony right that everyone, you know, Plato made the point that 49:44.500 --> 49:52.080 Or socrates in a platonic writing was making the point that I don't think that anyone even like a bad dictator 49:52.080 --> 49:54.960 Right an evil dictator. He said this in the gorgias 49:55.920 --> 49:57.780 Has the intention to do 49:58.360 --> 50:00.280 ill will upon themselves 50:01.080 --> 50:03.520 And so it's an interesting concept that 50:04.080 --> 50:08.920 The the evil has become twisted in its conceptualization 50:09.500 --> 50:15.120 Of like what is the best now? I don't I agree with you that it is 50:16.060 --> 50:17.740 It is very disturbing 50:18.420 --> 50:19.300 to see 50:20.260 --> 50:25.380 This continuation of the mystery cult schools from like the evil mystery cult schools 50:26.360 --> 50:32.400 And how it's been able to be continued for as long as they have and why are they so 50:32.960 --> 50:34.120 uh, like 50:34.800 --> 50:36.080 obsessed with this 50:36.840 --> 50:39.860 very evil conceptualization of 50:40.420 --> 50:42.160 What they want to bring about and this 50:42.800 --> 50:44.120 I agree. This is 50:44.740 --> 50:50.980 It's very perplexing and it's very disturbing and there doesn't seem to be enough like good 50:51.760 --> 50:52.740 people organizing 50:53.360 --> 50:56.360 Against it in a more organized fashion 50:56.360 --> 51:00.100 I'm also disappointed at how many people seem to be able to be recruited 51:00.820 --> 51:05.140 Into this like even if you think about it from like an average person level 51:05.140 --> 51:08.700 The fact that people are watching the stuff that they're watching on netflix 51:09.280 --> 51:15.620 And they're just accepting it as entertainment is highly concerning and not realizing like this isn't 51:15.620 --> 51:19.760 First of all, it was already questionable that you would want to see something like that as entertainment 51:19.760 --> 51:25.660 Like I was disturbed when I was in my 20s when so many of my friends loved movies like saw 51:26.480 --> 51:29.600 Which was just about like the most brutal torture 51:30.220 --> 51:34.900 various scenes of torture and that was what you were going to see it wasn't even like 51:34.900 --> 51:39.720 These people trying to escape from it. It's like, oh, yeah, this is like saw 11 51:39.720 --> 51:44.260 We're kind of see some more people get tortured and uh hacked to death 51:44.260 --> 51:51.200 Um, there's something very disappointing that people are going in that direction. I think part of it 51:51.940 --> 51:53.320 is that there is 51:53.920 --> 51:55.000 a psychology 51:55.660 --> 52:00.700 In in this that when you're when you're feeling disempowered, you know, they're 52:01.440 --> 52:05.660 The the way that we have outlets in the way that we have coping becomes dark 52:06.360 --> 52:08.680 And most people are and unfortunately 52:09.500 --> 52:10.580 They they follow 52:11.320 --> 52:16.260 Whatever construct is given to them. They cannot they're not able to create the construct 52:16.260 --> 52:19.240 But for me that doesn't mean that that is uh 52:19.720 --> 52:20.800 That is our nature 52:20.800 --> 52:27.620 Or that's like something we have to go through and that there aren't solutions and that there isn't a way out 52:28.160 --> 52:36.180 Um, but it is I agree with you like it's it's very heavy hitting to look at the course of the mystery cults and 52:37.100 --> 52:41.880 For me like at the end of the day all I can think of is it's 52:42.640 --> 52:49.920 It's best to have the be equipped with the information so that we can recognize it and we can kind of know 52:49.920 --> 52:53.200 the players behind it like for instance today like 52:53.920 --> 52:56.260 What what is behind it so that? 52:56.900 --> 53:00.860 You don't get kind of trapped into it or you don't get sucked into 53:01.740 --> 53:08.640 Uh, a paralyzing depressive state where all you can do is like, you know 53:09.220 --> 53:12.500 Get high and check out. Um, and 53:13.360 --> 53:14.960 Hope that the madness 53:15.740 --> 53:19.800 You know peaks somewhere far from where you're you're living 53:20.560 --> 53:21.080 um 53:21.840 --> 53:26.460 So that's the best I can do and I guess for me the problem 53:27.040 --> 53:29.680 Yeah, with like external manifestations is 53:30.920 --> 53:40.460 If we're going to say that we don't play a role anymore in this huge fight of external manifestations of like evil versus good spirits 53:41.160 --> 53:46.940 It we I feel that like our whole free will at that point becomes really obsolete 53:47.740 --> 53:49.620 um, but on that note 53:50.390 --> 53:53.720 you know this concept of magic this concept of like 53:54.700 --> 53:55.100 evil 53:55.880 --> 53:58.580 conjurations or whatever there is a 53:58.580 --> 53:59.660 a reality 54:00.380 --> 54:00.780 to 54:01.660 --> 54:06.620 Obsessing over something and wanting it to manifest like there there is a 54:07.070 --> 54:08.920 a real a real component 54:09.740 --> 54:11.700 um and um 54:12.710 --> 54:15.280 A lot of people actually funny enough 54:15.900 --> 54:19.360 Will hear the most disturbing things that are being said even by certain 54:19.360 --> 54:21.340 guests on podcast shows 54:21.920 --> 54:24.200 talking about like, um 54:24.200 --> 54:29.400 Purgative violence, you know, like things are getting really crazy in the states for instance and 54:29.400 --> 54:33.860 And there are people who are making the rounds who are selling themselves still as like family 54:34.400 --> 54:40.160 Oriented they they want just like, you know, the the christian values and in society and all that and they're calling for 54:40.160 --> 54:44.820 Purgative violence as the solution because it's either kill or be killed 54:45.460 --> 54:45.980 and 54:46.880 --> 54:49.040 Who's saying this with anyone I've heard of? 54:51.880 --> 54:52.400 um 54:56.360 --> 54:58.040 Former green berets who 54:58.820 --> 55:05.920 Former green berets who are who are parading themselves as like financial. I mean they they are I guess like financial 55:07.000 --> 55:09.600 um, you know financially savvy 55:10.200 --> 55:12.340 there are a lot of yeah, there are a lot of actually 55:13.140 --> 55:13.780 uh 55:14.520 --> 55:16.940 People who are involved in the military 55:17.900 --> 55:22.040 formally who are now like on a lot of podcast shows 55:22.040 --> 55:30.300 um in in the states and in canada that are are confusing people saying that you you know, you need to man up you need to be like 55:30.960 --> 55:31.600 um 55:32.040 --> 55:34.240 You need to because it's true right like 55:34.980 --> 55:41.600 The whole woke liberalism thing has turned people into what I would call like more hamster like 55:41.600 --> 55:47.240 And obviously you want to not be a hamster in life like a suburban hamster 55:47.240 --> 55:53.020 But you also don't want to have like grandiose delusions that you can be a rambo either 55:53.680 --> 56:00.800 And um, and so there are a lot of like really good intention people who hear extreme phrases 56:01.480 --> 56:04.120 And they're not able to to take it 56:04.120 --> 56:05.100 Uh 56:05.100 --> 56:11.580 In they make all kinds of excuses for why that wasn't even though the person literally said 56:11.600 --> 56:15.260 It's not it isn't really like that. So 56:16.260 --> 56:20.440 Um, I don't know how I got onto that tangent from what we were talking about before 56:20.440 --> 56:23.220 Because I asked you and I distracted you slightly 56:24.000 --> 56:29.600 um, I've just so the reason I was asking that question about your beliefs is not because I'm a kind of 56:31.200 --> 56:37.120 Christian nutcase who insists that everyone else must must be exactly as I am. Um, it's more that 56:39.080 --> 56:39.360 I 56:39.640 --> 56:40.740 Mean I suppose there are two 56:41.520 --> 56:43.580 Possible ways of looking at the mystery schools 56:44.160 --> 56:45.580 and their successors the 56:45.580 --> 56:51.880 The secret societies that run the world which all seem to be preoccupied with these signs and symbols 56:52.440 --> 56:54.560 um, and traditions like 56:55.280 --> 56:58.220 sacrificing children to their to their gods and stuff 56:58.960 --> 57:01.400 um sexual sort of 57:02.060 --> 57:02.620 aberrant 57:03.220 --> 57:04.240 sexual behavior 57:04.960 --> 57:08.720 Um, so they do all this stuff now. There are two ways of looking either 57:09.260 --> 57:12.180 They do this because it's just what they do 57:12.180 --> 57:14.160 And they get their 57:14.800 --> 57:16.820 Some of them get their perverse kicks from it 57:16.820 --> 57:22.280 Most of them do it just because it's required to get on and this this this becomes a form of 57:22.280 --> 57:30.160 a form of ritual binding and and a sort of sort of an elite signifier 57:30.960 --> 57:36.260 That they're they're following the club rules. That's one interpretation. But but it's not real. They're not 57:36.260 --> 57:41.220 They think that they're worshiping these dark gods, but they're not really the dark gods don't exist 57:42.040 --> 57:42.640 or 57:43.440 --> 57:51.020 Which is my view you would go. Yeah, they do this stuff because unfortunately it works if you 57:51.740 --> 57:57.560 Make obeisance to these dark gods the dark gods will reward you because they have been 57:58.120 --> 58:00.020 Given this realm by god's permission 58:00.600 --> 58:06.980 To they have a certain they have a certain freedom and and and if when humans worship them, which the elites all do 58:06.980 --> 58:09.880 They they call it the old religion. They think that the 58:10.440 --> 58:16.580 People like me in nutcases you will worshiping god when they they've they know who that who we should really worship 58:16.580 --> 58:19.100 And their dark gods give them power 58:19.720 --> 58:24.940 Now are you in category one or in category two? Are you with me or are you a more of a kind of 58:25.520 --> 58:26.880 Rationalist might be said 58:26.880 --> 58:32.000 I guess my question in in in what you're talking because 58:32.960 --> 58:34.900 I believe that there's only one god 58:35.980 --> 58:36.520 and 58:37.160 --> 58:43.160 And so if there is only one god who is an all-perfect god any one god with a capital G 58:43.710 --> 58:47.500 But there are lots of fallen angels so that he created these angels 58:48.260 --> 58:53.960 And and a third of them rebelled because they didn't like it when god created man in his image 58:54.680 --> 59:00.600 And they they then mated with humans. It says in genesis. Whatever it is genesis eight. Is it? 59:01.160 --> 59:01.220 um 59:01.220 --> 59:03.200 They they found the daughter the children 59:03.200 --> 59:06.240 And they they they have sex 59:07.020 --> 59:07.300 Yeah 59:08.820 --> 59:15.200 In genesis that I thought that was just in the book of evil. Um, well for for me just from like a 59:15.740 --> 59:21.080 Uh, well, I will definitely uh review that for me. Um 59:22.100 --> 59:26.100 I guess again because there's there's philosophy in this right? 59:26.220 --> 59:30.760 So I'm I'm a fan of like the Leibnizian approach to christian 59:30.760 --> 59:37.700 Thinking um, and you know Leibniz was the one who had the famous debate with samuel clark on the behalf of mutin 59:37.700 --> 59:40.620 on like how does god actually 59:41.240 --> 59:42.580 um operate 59:43.360 --> 59:46.820 In the universe that he created and I think that 59:46.820 --> 59:55.500 Uh, I'm a very big fan of how Leibniz was debating, uh, the newtonian viewpoint, which I I think you know 59:55.500 --> 01:00:01.560 Um, newton was also a part of of the the kind of groupings that that we're talking about in 01:00:01.560 --> 01:00:02.760 In the culture. Yeah 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:05.640 massive um 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:07.040 so 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.020 For me, it's like if god is 01:00:10.020 --> 01:00:13.980 The creator and he's all good and all perfect 01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:24.580 I don't understand how something, you know, like that seton has like some kind of like a yin yang situation at that point and 01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:29.100 also like for instance, albert pike in his um 01:00:30.020 --> 01:00:31.440 morals of dogma 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:38.700 He plays on words, right? So, uh at first and I I have not read the whole thing 01:00:38.700 --> 01:00:42.080 But on archive.org you can you can search certain words 01:00:42.080 --> 01:00:50.280 So it allows you to skip around very very easily and he talks about god and christianity for like the beginning parts of the book 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.280 So it kind of sounds almost like he's he's christian 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.040 Kind of like how the rose accrucians were speaking too, right? 01:00:56.120 --> 01:01:01.580 They were they were not very honest and they're very delphic with how they were speaking about god and christianity 01:01:01.580 --> 01:01:07.900 but then you look up lucifer in the moral the book of morals and dogma and 01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:14.720 He realized that he is of the viewpoint that that god is pretty much like a 01:01:14.720 --> 01:01:22.500 Luciferian god, so the worshiping of apollo for instance is kind of like you could say 01:01:23.020 --> 01:01:24.280 uh a 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:31.600 A prequel to uh lucifer and apollo is the sun god and is the god of prophecy 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.320 There's a there's a lot of parallels 01:01:35.140 --> 01:01:41.100 To apollo and lucifer and if you look at a lot of the writings of these people including the rose accrucians, right? 01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:47.640 Like the first rose accrucian manifesto is about the world reformation by order of apollo is what it's called 01:01:47.640 --> 01:01:50.620 And then the last one is on pegasus 01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:54.380 From mount carnaest in apollo apollo's realm 01:01:54.380 --> 01:02:01.080 So the rose accrucians are very clear that apollo it is the order of apollo that they want to reinstall 01:02:01.080 --> 01:02:02.660 and you know 01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:06.640 So in my book apollo would be basically lucifer 01:02:07.240 --> 01:02:11.740 Now that's what I was really asking you about mud marduk and and horus 01:02:11.740 --> 01:02:15.460 Were they actually lucifer as well? Have they got anything in common with lucifer? 01:02:17.120 --> 01:02:20.280 I would say that all three of them are 01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:27.140 uh archetypes of lucifer and and we bring that up to in like our episode one of the 01:02:27.140 --> 01:02:27.740 um 01:02:27.740 --> 01:02:31.540 Hidden hand behind ufo's lifting the esoteric veil our 01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:32.940 how we are 01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:40.440 thinking about the the the old pantheon of gods like the greek pantheon of gods, which i'm most familiar with 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.960 compared to bablon in in in egypt, but 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:49.100 that um these these gods uh 01:02:49.100 --> 01:02:55.020 Of there's many different versions as well, right the mythologies will have one god go through many different 01:02:55.020 --> 01:03:02.640 And that's a thing too, right like people have to realize how much of the mythologies have been clearly shaped by 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:08.060 Writers and thinkers, right? So like escalus who was a an ancient 01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:13.320 um tragedian in the in in athens at the time very famous 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:21.860 He wrote the um orestes trilogy, which was uh an intervention into the eye for an eye 01:03:22.700 --> 01:03:24.040 um problem 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:31.380 In athens and was using like the the the trojan war and the curse of agamemnon with 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:38.320 Cassandra and and and all of this that orestes killed his father because agamemnon killed 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.420 Sacrificed his daughter effigyna 01:03:42.040 --> 01:03:47.620 Orestes sister for for good wins on his uh journey to troi 01:03:47.620 --> 01:03:49.580 What a bust again is very interesting 01:03:50.640 --> 01:03:51.240 I 01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:53.080 Yeah, I know so it's even rough 01:03:53.080 --> 01:03:56.000 Really plummeted in my in my estimation 01:03:58.220 --> 01:04:01.540 Hmm agamemnon has really plummeted in my estimation 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:02.740 Yeah 01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:09.280 Yeah, and like for his brother for his brother's wife being stolen right men allows he sacrifices his daughter 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.980 But it's also to show like the 01:04:12.600 --> 01:04:14.120 There is an ominous 01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:19.420 You know thing to this whole greek involvement in the trojan war and there's clearly 01:04:19.580 --> 01:04:22.880 criticism of the greeks 01:04:23.770 --> 01:04:25.060 You know, basically 01:04:25.770 --> 01:04:34.920 Really hurting themselves spiritually as a people by participating in this war which ended with them slaughtering all of the the men 01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:38.180 enslaving the women and the children 01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:41.620 um, so it was a a very very 01:04:42.310 --> 01:04:44.820 criminal terrible war that was 01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:49.140 Criticized heavily by a lot of the tragedy tragedyans like 01:04:49.700 --> 01:04:52.240 Askelos and Sophocles, but but um 01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:58.840 Askelos is also like reshaping the mythologies, right and like the erinis the furies 01:04:59.380 --> 01:05:01.120 Are the creatures of apollo 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:10.440 And they are the ones that so orestes kills his father, but now he's cursed you are you are uh guilty of um, 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:12.160 You know killing your father 01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:14.380 Uh, parasites so 01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:16.280 They're going to chase him 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:23.260 Until he meets his undoing and this was like the belief, you know that the furies will get you whenever you break one of the 01:05:23.260 --> 01:05:27.680 The cardinal rules even though again, they're not sacrificed his daughter 01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:30.500 And and so to end this like 01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:37.200 This eye for an eye situation where you know, you as an individual need to take it upon yourself for the 01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:38.620 the the revenge 01:05:39.780 --> 01:05:40.940 aspect of things 01:05:42.160 --> 01:05:47.680 Askelos brings in the areopagus, which is the the court system and has athena 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:49.840 Had this 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:51.500 and you know 01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:56.500 So that the erinis are not obliterated, but and they're trying to be respectful and everything 01:05:56.500 --> 01:05:59.200 But they're saying like we don't really need you anymore 01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:00.700 But thank you for your services 01:06:00.700 --> 01:06:07.500 And it's interesting because askelos even writes in this trilogy that the erinis were like these, you know 01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:12.240 Very disgusting creatures dripping and stinking and they would like 01:06:13.100 --> 01:06:16.400 Their their base was at the apollo temples 01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:21.100 Which I think is also kind of saying something 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:25.000 more uh subtle like 01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:29.500 Because again the apollo cult was super powerful 01:06:30.080 --> 01:06:31.100 in intelligence 01:06:32.040 --> 01:06:37.020 Operations and you know people were giving their their money for the prophecy of the oracle 01:06:37.020 --> 01:06:39.080 But really it was just like 01:06:39.720 --> 01:06:47.340 uh, basically telling them your plans and then they coordinate with these nodes in babelon in egypt according to my theory 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.100 And uh, they can orchestrate 01:06:50.700 --> 01:06:53.340 How war scenarios are going to play out? 01:06:54.120 --> 01:06:54.720 um 01:06:55.540 --> 01:06:59.040 Yeah, so anyway askelos shaped a lot of that mythology 01:06:59.040 --> 01:07:04.820 There are a lot of other people who were like shaping and reshaping the mythology retooling the mythology 01:07:04.820 --> 01:07:09.400 So it there is very much like a battle of like the storytellers 01:07:10.100 --> 01:07:10.520 um 01:07:11.120 --> 01:07:16.700 That's why interestingly queen elizabeth seems to have like killed all of the bards in 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.340 Because they were apparently 01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:19.600 like 01:07:20.100 --> 01:07:20.820 Did she 01:07:22.700 --> 01:07:25.180 Uh, yeah, this is a new one on me 01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:27.980 Radicalism I 01:07:28.740 --> 01:07:31.600 About it, but she killed all the bards 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:33.820 Yeah 01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:37.940 What gloria lovely lovely gloria at the virgin queen 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:42.280 Yeah, she was responsible for a lot of it 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.620 And I don't know like you know like the pied piper 01:07:44.620 --> 01:07:50.100 Type concepts like because there were bad bards right or like the the pan concept 01:07:50.100 --> 01:07:51.980 I'm not saying all the bards were bad 01:07:51.980 --> 01:07:58.060 But there were a lot of like bad bards and they would travel from town to town and they were like spreading 01:07:58.670 --> 01:08:00.520 Things that were not so great 01:08:00.520 --> 01:08:02.620 um, but uh 01:08:03.240 --> 01:08:08.840 Interesting story. I don't know enough about it. And obviously the queen elizabeth court is a 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:14.300 A mixture of a whole bunch of things and I can't really pinpoint exactly 01:08:15.240 --> 01:08:20.080 Whether she was ultimately doing something good or bad, but um 01:08:20.580 --> 01:08:27.400 It's very complex still that period of time is like a whole podcast couldn't we on on that on that period 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.960 And I think that we shouldn't skitter over it because it's because it's just too big a subject 01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:35.780 Well, and he scratched the surface, but 01:08:36.340 --> 01:08:38.620 Interesting about the bards so so how many 01:08:39.120 --> 01:08:40.840 What are the records about this? 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:44.760 Was it was it a policy? Yeah, I think bad eradication 01:08:47.700 --> 01:08:48.180 Um 01:08:49.400 --> 01:08:55.360 Okay, I I know that if you searched it on the internet you will you will get something like it's it's uh 01:08:55.360 --> 01:08:57.860 It's it's acknowledged that it happened 01:08:57.860 --> 01:08:59.860 I mean 01:08:59.860 --> 01:09:04.140 I was I was quite surprised to discover that in henry the eighth's reign 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.440 One of the estimates of how many people were killed 01:09:08.250 --> 01:09:10.580 In his reign was 72,000 01:09:11.410 --> 01:09:15.980 Which as a proportion of the population must have been quite I mean that's 01:09:15.980 --> 01:09:18.310 Slaughter on quite a large scale, isn't it? 01:09:21.910 --> 01:09:24.650 Yeah, I mean henry the eighth was 01:09:25.250 --> 01:09:28.130 I think a disaster. I think that it's still 01:09:28.690 --> 01:09:29.990 The popular conception 01:09:30.670 --> 01:09:31.190 of him 01:09:32.810 --> 01:09:41.130 He was a wrongan or uh despite being sort of charismatic and into jousting and hunting and stuff and um 01:09:41.130 --> 01:09:46.470 A ladies man and he wrote green sleeves allegedly, but I think we still tend to think of him as a bit of a psycho 01:09:46.470 --> 01:09:51.030 But but elizabeth the first I mean presumably she didn't kill that many 01:09:53.790 --> 01:09:56.850 Oh, oh queen elizabeth killing like 01:09:58.050 --> 01:10:00.970 Again, I I don't know exactly 01:10:01.910 --> 01:10:06.550 You know what that it it sounds like she was introducing stability 01:10:06.550 --> 01:10:07.590 but 01:10:08.890 --> 01:10:16.070 Again, I haven't really looked too much into like how people were I mean they call it the golden age 01:10:16.070 --> 01:10:19.110 So I guess it it must have been doing okay for 01:10:20.050 --> 01:10:22.410 You know that's not necessarily the case 01:10:22.950 --> 01:10:26.390 Anything that gets a lady like that. That's almost certainly a sile 01:10:26.390 --> 01:10:31.710 But I'm listen. I'm conscious because I wanted to talk to you we could go anywhere 01:10:33.570 --> 01:10:42.130 Before we go into that I just wanted to note though that can king henry the eighth was the one who began the anglican church and uh 01:10:42.690 --> 01:10:43.310 I don't know 01:10:44.910 --> 01:10:51.610 Well, it seems that the anglican church if you look at king louis the 14th who called himself the sun king 01:10:52.190 --> 01:10:52.730 and was 01:10:52.730 --> 01:10:57.450 into apollo big time and uh, he's called, you know 01:10:57.450 --> 01:11:02.530 The sun king and his own ballet and all this but he started the gallican church 01:11:03.190 --> 01:11:10.990 And there seems to be similarities between because you know that the the monarch becomes the head of the church, right? And 01:11:11.510 --> 01:11:11.850 Um 01:11:12.530 --> 01:11:14.750 So they become like equivalent 01:11:14.750 --> 01:11:20.110 I mean already the monarch was sort of considered this way, but it's it's of even more power 01:11:20.110 --> 01:11:27.350 And with the gallican church, which I think is very telling which seems to have a lot of linkage with the anglican church 01:11:27.950 --> 01:11:28.990 under napoleon 01:11:29.770 --> 01:11:33.970 He was announcing under this gallican church that he would be 01:11:33.970 --> 01:11:35.010 uh 01:11:35.690 --> 01:11:37.990 the the the head of 01:11:38.910 --> 01:11:39.290 all 01:11:39.810 --> 01:11:43.290 You know all religious institutions in in the world 01:11:43.830 --> 01:11:49.930 I think, you know, he was even including the the jewish synagogues, you know in in this uh 01:11:49.930 --> 01:11:57.350 View of his uh, so I think that the gallican church especially became very very clear in that orientation 01:11:57.730 --> 01:12:05.170 in the research that i'm doing with the um the bohemian brethren, which later became the moravian brethren and and all of these 01:12:05.170 --> 01:12:09.350 There there was the anglican church was was known for I think 01:12:09.910 --> 01:12:13.190 You know having a very open door policy 01:12:13.890 --> 01:12:14.350 and 01:12:14.350 --> 01:12:17.670 sort of incorporating a lot of these these different 01:12:18.390 --> 01:12:23.550 uh sex religious sex into it, but I feel you know 01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:26.510 That there was a a very political 01:12:27.610 --> 01:12:32.950 Agenda in how there was this kind of rewarping of things. I don't know what 01:12:33.550 --> 01:12:37.350 Bees what what do you think of anglicanism? 01:12:38.630 --> 01:12:45.090 Well, I am an anglican myself. I mean, I'm born into the church of england as as we all are if we're if we're born british 01:12:45.090 --> 01:12:50.570 Automatically regardless of your really. Yeah, you become part of the of the parish 01:12:52.070 --> 01:12:52.950 um, but 01:12:54.550 --> 01:12:56.390 Look, I mean it's given us 01:12:56.910 --> 01:12:58.270 The book of common prayer 01:12:59.250 --> 01:12:59.730 Uh 01:13:00.690 --> 01:13:10.010 Cramers crammers liturgy. It's given us the the king james bible, which is which is pretty good apart from it's it's the fact that it was 01:13:11.190 --> 01:13:18.050 Commissioned by a guy. He was probably an occultist himself. I think I'm very suspicious about the kings and queens of england. I about their 01:13:18.650 --> 01:13:19.350 their genuine 01:13:20.490 --> 01:13:22.450 As opposed to their ostensible spiritual 01:13:23.270 --> 01:13:27.730 Affiliations they all pretend to be christians, but i'm not sure that they actually are or were 01:13:27.730 --> 01:13:28.310 um 01:13:28.930 --> 01:13:29.410 but 01:13:30.010 --> 01:13:32.890 But yeah, I I think that the catholic church 01:13:33.830 --> 01:13:37.310 Historically is well dodgy. I think that there are 01:13:38.090 --> 01:13:42.310 It's it's clear that it's been hijacked by the forces of darkness 01:13:42.910 --> 01:13:48.270 And although there were sort of individual catholics who are great and good good people the church itself is is 01:13:48.830 --> 01:13:49.630 Dodgy as 01:13:50.270 --> 01:13:54.430 But then you look at the look at the anglican church as well all the churches have been infiltrated 01:13:54.990 --> 01:13:59.950 I mean, I I I'm a massive fan of the orthodox, but I know that on the 01:14:01.010 --> 01:14:04.660 satanic council whatever it is that that that there are 01:14:05.610 --> 01:14:08.460 Along with people like popes and um 01:14:09.050 --> 01:14:12.350 Judges and things. There's also the orthodox 01:14:13.290 --> 01:14:15.550 bishops that the rot is everywhere 01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:18.450 So I think there were I think um 01:14:19.010 --> 01:14:24.910 John calvin was was was his real name was co and you know, I think there was I think the the jesuits were 01:14:24.910 --> 01:14:28.490 Were were crypto jews crypto jews who became 01:14:30.350 --> 01:14:32.410 You know who infiltrated the catholic church 01:14:34.830 --> 01:14:37.130 Inevitably if you're if you're if you're satan 01:14:37.670 --> 01:14:39.790 Your chief target is going to be the church 01:14:40.650 --> 01:14:46.470 It would make sense. I mean he's quite clever. He's quite good at his job satan. So inevitably he's going to infiltrate 01:14:48.910 --> 01:14:49.590 Oh, sorry 01:14:50.330 --> 01:14:55.390 No, well, that's it. No, you asked me. Well, I mean I I I'm I'm I'm I'm quite in a way 01:14:55.390 --> 01:15:01.510 I'm quite open-minded and in as much as I'm I'm always interested in in learning more and adjusting my position 01:15:01.510 --> 01:15:05.890 For example, I did a I did a psalm's podcast the other day 01:15:06.530 --> 01:15:07.050 um 01:15:07.050 --> 01:15:07.750 with 01:15:08.490 --> 01:15:10.150 an evangelical christian 01:15:10.690 --> 01:15:15.370 Who absolutely convinced me for the at least for the duration of the podcast that the 01:15:15.930 --> 01:15:18.970 Christmas was is a 01:15:19.900 --> 01:15:21.550 Was never really a christian 01:15:22.090 --> 01:15:24.730 Festival that it was it was just a sort of a 01:15:24.730 --> 01:15:25.690 synchronized 01:15:26.160 --> 01:15:27.150 pagan festival 01:15:28.010 --> 01:15:33.230 And and so this person didn't celebrate christmas with his children at all because it was ungodly 01:15:33.820 --> 01:15:34.630 and then 01:15:35.280 --> 01:15:38.950 I know and he recommended this fascinating book 01:15:39.980 --> 01:15:41.410 sort of explaining how 01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:48.370 All catholic traditions are just basically rebadged mystery religion practices that that um 01:15:50.240 --> 01:15:53.050 The the virgin mary is just a rebadged 01:15:53.050 --> 01:15:56.430 A common watch goddess it is it's ashura or 01:15:59.140 --> 01:16:00.770 Anyway, I then get 01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:03.950 Get another another chap who's an orthodox 01:16:04.440 --> 01:16:09.450 Orthodox priest in in america and he sends me a message 01:16:10.290 --> 01:16:17.470 Saying well, this is all rubbish christian the christmas was a christian festival and your guy's talking nonsense. So 01:16:19.370 --> 01:16:24.470 It's a particularly christianity is a really really big big rabbit hole 01:16:24.470 --> 01:16:29.790 Maybe the biggest of them all and it's very very hard to get absolute handle on it when there were so many 01:16:30.590 --> 01:16:31.650 good players 01:16:32.470 --> 01:16:33.130 but you know 01:16:33.770 --> 01:16:39.010 You today have have opened another kind of um tunnel in the rabbit hole 01:16:39.450 --> 01:16:43.530 The saint benedict was a baddie. I don't know anything about saint benedict 01:16:43.530 --> 01:16:47.250 I'm gonna look him up now and find out about it because you think about the benedict teen 01:16:47.930 --> 01:16:52.150 The old benedict teen monasteries. I thought monks were basically good because they 01:16:52.830 --> 01:16:55.670 They they sing psalms and and and they 01:16:56.890 --> 01:16:57.590 You know 01:16:58.070 --> 01:17:02.750 And now i'm thinking well hang on a second saint benedict. Maybe he was uh, you know buried on an 01:17:03.270 --> 01:17:04.530 Apollo tomb with his 01:17:05.010 --> 01:17:06.290 brother did you say with 01:17:07.110 --> 01:17:09.170 His sister his twin sister 01:17:11.830 --> 01:17:13.110 Um, yeah 01:17:16.450 --> 01:17:23.270 Yeah, well, um, I think that you know the the the parts of the catholic, uh 01:17:23.970 --> 01:17:24.610 um 01:17:25.910 --> 01:17:32.030 Because obviously, you know, like i'm a fan of of saint augustine like I do like a lot of um 01:17:32.940 --> 01:17:39.010 I mean and there was only the catholic church at the beginning, you know of of the the church history 01:17:39.010 --> 01:17:42.750 But I do think that there were a lot of um really good 01:17:43.280 --> 01:17:44.250 uh contributors 01:17:45.360 --> 01:17:50.070 to um the the teachings that um 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.710 You know are still like kind of the foundation 01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:59.270 of some of the the best lessons of uh christianity 01:17:59.270 --> 01:18:04.170 But I think that benedict was uh, he introduced 01:18:05.510 --> 01:18:08.190 Forms of mysticism that you know 01:18:08.870 --> 01:18:15.230 Is were pagan mystery cult and I mean pagan for me the word pagan isn't uh 01:18:16.310 --> 01:18:20.490 It's it's not specific enough, but like that they were the mystery cult 01:18:21.190 --> 01:18:26.250 um practices uh that were being kind of brought in and um 01:18:26.810 --> 01:18:32.070 Catholic mysticism is a very, you know, uh, I find 01:18:32.810 --> 01:18:34.270 dangerous and troubling 01:18:35.190 --> 01:18:36.550 um section 01:18:37.290 --> 01:18:37.810 and 01:18:38.670 --> 01:18:43.630 whenever and that's the problem too, right with like any kind of uh, I guess 01:18:44.910 --> 01:18:46.270 religious experience 01:18:47.050 --> 01:18:48.410 that um 01:18:48.410 --> 01:18:50.770 if you are 01:18:51.670 --> 01:18:55.910 And I there's a lot of uh connection with this and what they're trying to do now, right 01:18:55.910 --> 01:18:58.250 Like so for instance the immortal key 01:18:58.980 --> 01:19:02.610 I forgot the name of the author and it's a very hard name to pronounce 01:19:02.610 --> 01:19:07.730 But the immortal key is a very big book right now that's being promoted. Um where 01:19:08.410 --> 01:19:09.870 taking, you know 01:19:10.450 --> 01:19:16.530 Whatever kind of mind-expanding drug is going to now allow you to connect directly with god 01:19:17.610 --> 01:19:22.750 Um, and I don't think that that's a new concept. I think that that's actually a very old concept 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:24.450 But the question 01:19:25.090 --> 01:19:30.910 Remains like are you really speaking to god or are you speaking to someone else? 01:19:31.450 --> 01:19:33.910 You know or like or someone pouring certain 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:41.650 Is into your mind because you know with in the immortal key the way it starts out, which I I haven't um completed the book 01:19:41.650 --> 01:19:48.430 But it was very interesting that this this woman was talking about her experience of how she was an atheist her whole life 01:19:48.430 --> 01:19:50.450 And then when she took 01:19:51.270 --> 01:19:52.570 I don't know if it was lsd 01:19:53.250 --> 01:19:56.430 But I mean these things are being fine-tuned more and more 01:19:57.190 --> 01:20:00.410 At the stage so like lsd is not specific enough, but 01:20:00.990 --> 01:20:02.430 You need to have like 01:20:03.090 --> 01:20:08.330 A guide right like your your therapist is your your spirit guide throughout this 01:20:08.330 --> 01:20:09.230 um 01:20:09.230 --> 01:20:15.930 So who is your therapist like people need to be you know really asking questions about the sort of 01:20:15.930 --> 01:20:22.890 Experience that you're being led upon and carl young was was very much also a part of that 01:20:22.890 --> 01:20:25.630 Like for people who don't know he was 01:20:26.150 --> 01:20:33.150 Into the illus inion mysteries. He was into the mystery cult again ascona his connection with ascona is also 01:20:33.150 --> 01:20:35.170 Very indicative of this 01:20:35.170 --> 01:20:36.770 um, but also 01:20:37.430 --> 01:20:39.850 His idea of descending into the depths 01:20:40.650 --> 01:20:41.950 um, you know, he 01:20:42.490 --> 01:20:43.670 envisioned that 01:20:44.310 --> 01:20:49.630 And this is a very this is the framework now of like where they break you they break you 01:20:49.630 --> 01:20:53.850 Down and rebuild you and if you can survive it, it's a very 01:20:53.850 --> 01:21:00.530 Painful process, but if you can survive it you become almost godlike is the belief in this, right? 01:21:00.710 --> 01:21:05.870 So that's what a lot of people are doing who get very power crazy the thalamites 01:21:05.870 --> 01:21:08.890 you know the followers of allister crowley believe in a very 01:21:09.770 --> 01:21:12.330 Pretty much the same framework that you have to like really 01:21:12.950 --> 01:21:14.050 Break yourself down 01:21:14.530 --> 01:21:16.590 uh survive the trials 01:21:17.250 --> 01:21:25.870 In the depths and if you survive you become like a a demigod or a god man and his uh 01:21:25.870 --> 01:21:30.010 His imagery of his process himself personally 01:21:30.590 --> 01:21:35.090 Was like, you know a male body with a lion's head with the the serpent 01:21:35.630 --> 01:21:41.590 Around it and that that statue the leon so sofeles. Sorry 01:21:42.330 --> 01:21:46.190 I still have to read there's a a paper specifically on this 01:21:46.190 --> 01:21:50.390 I think by richard knoll who wrote a great book on carl young and used to be 01:21:50.390 --> 01:21:53.970 A young in if I understand correctly so an insider 01:21:54.750 --> 01:21:58.970 Uh, but that exact statue is also on the vatican grounds 01:21:59.590 --> 01:22:01.590 And it's very interesting because carl young 01:22:02.430 --> 01:22:08.650 Was ultimately someone who was very critical of christianity because his viewpoint was that christianity was a jewish 01:22:08.650 --> 01:22:15.510 Religion that was uh forced upon the german people and that that wasn't their real religion their real religion was odin 01:22:15.510 --> 01:22:25.230 Yeah, yeah, and that that was a lot of like that's why like also this idea that like, um 01:22:25.230 --> 01:22:28.410 You know the things that were kind of leading up to hitler 01:22:28.410 --> 01:22:35.530 Uh, these viking movements, uh, they they believe in odin as their god, right? 01:22:35.530 --> 01:22:39.650 Like they don't believe they there was a rejection of of jesus 01:22:40.450 --> 01:22:50.330 And um, and you know under the nazi realm too, there wasn't really it wasn't really christian. Um, it was uh a kind of uh 01:22:50.850 --> 01:22:57.010 german vokish mysticism that had a huge amount of its roots in this sort of 01:22:57.010 --> 01:23:03.190 revamping and reinterpretation of even the viking history, which a lot of it isn't even like 01:23:04.170 --> 01:23:05.130 archaeologically historically 01:23:06.370 --> 01:23:11.670 Provable it's it's it's through the the the the storytelling which becomes real 01:23:12.150 --> 01:23:17.030 For the people and this is their real and this is the concept of blood and soil too, right like that 01:23:17.030 --> 01:23:21.530 Depending on where you were born in the world. You're going to have a different 01:23:22.290 --> 01:23:24.890 God you're going to have a different connection 01:23:25.470 --> 01:23:31.130 I don't know exactly how they view how these different gods are connecting with each other and stuff, but 01:23:31.970 --> 01:23:38.790 There is this viewpoint that where you're born is like what you are spiritually connected to sort of thing, but anyway 01:23:39.450 --> 01:23:40.550 young rejected 01:23:42.450 --> 01:23:48.730 Christianity as as this but that's what's so interesting is that this was the imagery that he identified 01:23:49.270 --> 01:23:52.510 in his transformation into a god like men 01:23:53.130 --> 01:23:56.490 And that statue is in the vatic is also in the vatican grounds 01:23:57.170 --> 01:23:57.690 So 01:23:58.710 --> 01:24:05.530 Again, if people want to know more about this they can look up carl young on my through a glass starkly substack, but um 01:24:06.150 --> 01:24:11.530 Yeah, richard null is the one who did a lot of work on this and um 01:24:12.230 --> 01:24:13.810 Yeah, it's uh 01:24:14.410 --> 01:24:14.730 interesting 01:24:15.870 --> 01:24:17.190 The problem is 01:24:18.770 --> 01:24:20.890 You you you know too much 01:24:21.990 --> 01:24:22.510 um 01:24:23.230 --> 01:24:25.950 But I I I sometimes sense that 01:24:27.630 --> 01:24:38.370 You've got all this knowledge at your disposal, but you haven't found a kind of a line through it yet you're you're you're you're you're sort of 01:24:39.190 --> 01:24:43.390 You've been in so many different directions and absorb so much information, but 01:24:44.150 --> 01:24:47.350 You haven't found a kind of simple line. Like I mean 01:24:47.950 --> 01:24:50.330 I've because I'm more basic than you 01:24:50.930 --> 01:24:54.090 I found I found a line and 01:24:54.810 --> 01:24:56.410 I pretty much know where I'm going 01:24:56.410 --> 01:24:58.810 But I'm always open to 01:24:59.450 --> 01:25:03.250 If an obstacle comes in my route, I'll go around it or I'm 01:25:04.370 --> 01:25:08.430 Like you've you've given me a wild card today since benedict bad 01:25:08.970 --> 01:25:14.090 Which is which has caused me to sort of think a little harder about my attitude towards 01:25:14.750 --> 01:25:15.310 um 01:25:16.370 --> 01:25:20.450 The monastic traditions I mean the benedict chain rule was you see 01:25:21.190 --> 01:25:22.390 I could I 01:25:23.110 --> 01:25:27.110 I could spend the rest of this podcast picking up on that that point. You see I'm I'm quite 01:25:27.570 --> 01:25:29.670 I am quite curious that 01:25:30.490 --> 01:25:32.170 If you're ruling out 01:25:33.450 --> 01:25:35.470 mysticism within christianity 01:25:37.450 --> 01:25:42.190 Aren't you taking away one of the things that makes it 01:25:43.370 --> 01:25:43.930 Um 01:25:46.750 --> 01:25:51.870 Exciting and real. I mean if it's just the kind of if it's just a sort of 01:25:51.870 --> 01:25:53.470 behavioral mode 01:25:54.190 --> 01:25:58.370 If it's just a question of yeah read your bible do good things 01:26:00.550 --> 01:26:04.790 I mean great if you can do it, but I think some of us 01:26:05.490 --> 01:26:06.050 like 01:26:07.230 --> 01:26:09.110 Like signs that that 01:26:09.550 --> 01:26:13.030 God is there with us that he's got our back. We like our miracles and things 01:26:13.650 --> 01:26:17.070 And I have great respect for example for those monks who 01:26:17.570 --> 01:26:23.130 You know people like simon stylitis you think he was sitting on us on a pillar for no end or perhaps even 01:26:23.730 --> 01:26:26.410 Not a not good end, but maybe he was communing with demons 01:26:26.410 --> 01:26:27.550 I mean is that your 01:26:28.070 --> 01:26:31.750 Or or he was just sort of conjuring up weird stuff in his head 01:26:31.750 --> 01:26:35.470 Which had no relation to anything you don't think these people are communicating with god 01:26:37.770 --> 01:26:38.290 I 01:26:38.290 --> 01:26:40.430 Don't know that person's 01:26:41.250 --> 01:26:42.290 Story in 01:26:43.930 --> 01:26:47.630 Simon stylitis is the one that's that lived on top of a pillar 01:26:47.630 --> 01:26:53.890 But there's a there's a great tradition of all these ascetic monks and hermits and things who go off in in remote places 01:26:53.890 --> 01:26:56.310 There are there are ones in in in the modern 01:26:56.890 --> 01:27:03.090 You know people who died quite recently like like saint paesios and in the greek orthodox tradition 01:27:03.090 --> 01:27:03.990 um 01:27:03.990 --> 01:27:06.470 The the saints and martyrs 01:27:06.470 --> 01:27:09.590 It sounds like you're kind of ruling them out 01:27:11.150 --> 01:27:13.950 Well, I mean the thing too is that 01:27:14.630 --> 01:27:16.750 in in your uh 01:27:16.750 --> 01:27:21.090 In in like the recognition of of a certain grouping of saints and prophets 01:27:21.090 --> 01:27:31.830 You're also ruling out like perhaps the the islamic idea of right like their prophets and and and uh so forth 01:27:31.830 --> 01:27:36.650 And there are other like religions that have their view on people 01:27:37.570 --> 01:27:40.810 Who could like prophecy and on all of this so 01:27:41.530 --> 01:27:43.010 There's a like 01:27:43.540 --> 01:27:47.190 Yeah, but I'd say that they I'd say they were talking to demons not 01:27:48.270 --> 01:27:51.510 I mean, it's not that I don't I don't like 01:27:51.510 --> 01:27:55.170 Sufi mystics. I'm not I'm not I'm not necessarily calling them 01:27:55.170 --> 01:28:00.930 Bad is exactly or even in the eastern religions. I mean it was a world that the further eastern religions like 01:28:00.930 --> 01:28:04.190 Like um the sort of the gurus and stuff 01:28:04.750 --> 01:28:05.090 but 01:28:05.690 --> 01:28:06.890 It's where they're getting in there 01:28:07.770 --> 01:28:09.050 They're their inflammation 01:28:09.830 --> 01:28:12.730 It seems to me that that that if you're saying 01:28:13.410 --> 01:28:17.710 Which is what you seem to be saying is that that that 01:28:18.710 --> 01:28:19.610 That monks 01:28:21.310 --> 01:28:24.610 Who have mystical experiences that they're essentially 01:28:25.530 --> 01:28:26.850 not really 01:28:28.410 --> 01:28:29.770 Christian experiences 01:28:31.490 --> 01:28:33.910 Oh, I wouldn't 01:28:34.370 --> 01:28:39.010 Go so far as I'm saying that there was something introduced that was problematic 01:28:39.570 --> 01:28:44.270 into christian mysticism, right, which had a certain 01:28:45.170 --> 01:28:46.810 components that 01:28:47.410 --> 01:28:47.990 um 01:28:48.330 --> 01:28:54.490 You can say did open the doors to the mystery schools who were the experts I would say 01:28:55.150 --> 01:28:56.450 in uh 01:28:56.450 --> 01:28:57.290 mystical 01:28:58.410 --> 01:29:03.970 Manipulations, which I think we see today as well with the whole asylum institute, you know 01:29:06.590 --> 01:29:09.530 Root of a mystical experience 01:29:10.490 --> 01:29:12.130 Um, and you've said yourself 01:29:14.930 --> 01:29:19.930 I've I've I've read you about the asylum before but I can't remember what it is. Is it is it quite influential? 01:29:21.210 --> 01:29:26.290 Oh, yeah, it's it's super influential. It's it's like it's it's kind of like the 01:29:26.450 --> 01:29:32.810 the lighthouse for the new age movement and um, a lot of prominent 01:29:33.460 --> 01:29:41.130 uh lecturers in in psychology and the you know, the lsd field and and like basically talking about 01:29:41.810 --> 01:29:43.950 um your your 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.850 Uh spiritual experiences 01:29:47.490 --> 01:29:50.590 Um through these kinds of conduits so 01:29:51.170 --> 01:29:52.590 psychology and drugs are 01:29:53.310 --> 01:30:01.030 Um and and a kind of idea of spirituality that not so much centered on god is uh is like what they're promoting which I 01:30:01.470 --> 01:30:02.290 view as 01:30:03.190 --> 01:30:07.690 very similar techniques, but like honed with modern day science 01:30:08.170 --> 01:30:09.670 from the mystery school 01:30:10.110 --> 01:30:14.650 Stuff and like, you know the corruptions of the catholic church. I think they're 01:30:15.230 --> 01:30:19.170 That have been infiltrated with the bad mystery school traditions 01:30:19.170 --> 01:30:25.210 Most definitely enter into the field of mysticism. And so I'm not trying to discount 01:30:26.390 --> 01:30:33.730 All of mysticism. Um, I don't think I agree with you. I don't think that that is uh 01:30:34.290 --> 01:30:41.210 Something that would be ultimately constructive and I'll say more about how I view mysticism in in a in a moment 01:30:41.730 --> 01:30:42.010 but 01:30:42.750 --> 01:30:46.870 As soon as you have something that is um, so personal 01:30:47.470 --> 01:30:48.950 As a mystical experience 01:30:49.750 --> 01:30:50.350 um 01:30:51.010 --> 01:30:56.310 And you have what appears to be a corruption that has come into the catholic church, right? 01:30:56.470 --> 01:31:00.290 That I think we agree upon that has ties to the mystery schools 01:31:01.070 --> 01:31:04.350 How how are you going to begin to know? 01:31:05.190 --> 01:31:07.850 How this has come into this 01:31:08.450 --> 01:31:12.730 This part of of things, right? So like for instance the dominicans 01:31:13.370 --> 01:31:17.110 Like the franciscans the dominicans and the jesuits all seem to 01:31:18.030 --> 01:31:25.390 Have um, a certain kind of coordination as well with uh with with certain things and 01:31:26.250 --> 01:31:28.710 There are certain things that are tied to 01:31:29.370 --> 01:31:30.110 um 01:31:30.630 --> 01:31:31.670 mystical practices 01:31:32.570 --> 01:31:37.450 Um, and it's not like mystic christian mysticism didn't exist before these people 01:31:37.450 --> 01:31:40.730 So i'm not trying to talk about the entire history 01:31:41.410 --> 01:31:42.830 Of christian mysticism 01:31:43.450 --> 01:31:49.410 um, but just that there have been it seems things that have gone into it that are 01:31:50.230 --> 01:31:50.830 problematic 01:31:51.530 --> 01:31:53.350 And how do you even begin to start? 01:31:53.710 --> 01:31:57.690 You know differentiating it. Is it a huge problem for 01:31:58.330 --> 01:32:02.830 The the faith um, and i'm not trying to 01:32:03.710 --> 01:32:07.790 Float myself in a situation where i'm going to tell you what what you should 01:32:07.790 --> 01:32:10.250 Discount and what you should not discount 01:32:10.250 --> 01:32:17.490 But there is I think that element that obviously needs to be aware of and you say yourself that people who 01:32:17.490 --> 01:32:23.130 Are influenced by something bad are are influenced by a 01:32:23.710 --> 01:32:27.790 An evil influence from whatever, you know, um 01:32:28.550 --> 01:32:29.970 The source may be 01:32:29.970 --> 01:32:33.730 Well then this idea of a mystical experience 01:32:34.250 --> 01:32:37.450 Which I I can at least agree with you on on this 01:32:37.830 --> 01:32:39.770 It opens the gateway 01:32:40.490 --> 01:32:46.230 To something good or to something bad or or possibly just confusion as well, right? 01:32:47.170 --> 01:32:48.290 um, so 01:32:49.410 --> 01:32:55.330 For me when when there isn't like, uh an ability I guess to fully 01:32:56.730 --> 01:32:59.730 Uh assess and and and think about things 01:33:00.570 --> 01:33:03.390 Um outside of just an experience 01:33:04.170 --> 01:33:07.850 I feel that there's no way that you can possibly know 01:33:08.470 --> 01:33:09.170 right like 01:33:09.890 --> 01:33:14.590 Was that a good or was that a bad experience you had like we have to have 01:33:15.290 --> 01:33:18.010 some ability to think about 01:33:18.570 --> 01:33:24.350 And reflect upon the experience and not just be like an empty vessel where that experience comes into us 01:33:25.330 --> 01:33:26.690 um, so 01:33:27.530 --> 01:33:28.270 obviously 01:33:30.810 --> 01:33:31.550 Uh 01:33:32.040 --> 01:33:36.590 There is I I don't think that a mystical experience is is uh 01:33:37.020 --> 01:33:40.550 To be discounted or is something that is not real 01:33:42.020 --> 01:33:44.930 But I think that we we play a role 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:46.330 in 01:33:46.940 --> 01:33:50.870 That experience as well and you have to 01:33:51.390 --> 01:33:55.190 Be also in like the driver's seat a bit and not just 01:33:55.870 --> 01:34:01.510 Be taken on for a ride and not ask questions about where you're headed kind of thing 01:34:03.350 --> 01:34:06.610 Um, do you think we have time 01:34:07.590 --> 01:34:11.450 For you to give me a a potted history of the thing that I originally 01:34:12.630 --> 01:34:18.570 Wanted to talk to you about we we don't have to do at this time, but I was just quite intrigued by 01:34:19.210 --> 01:34:21.150 You've you've looked into the history 01:34:22.090 --> 01:34:22.470 of 01:34:22.970 --> 01:34:23.930 the Tavistock 01:34:24.810 --> 01:34:25.530 Institute 01:34:27.610 --> 01:34:32.770 And it's I mean I was interested for example to to learn that the 01:34:35.450 --> 01:34:40.690 The the son the eldest son of the Duke of Bedford is called the Marquis of 01:34:41.650 --> 01:34:43.470 Tavistock, isn't he? 01:34:44.090 --> 01:34:47.130 Um, and they live at Woban our abbey 01:34:48.570 --> 01:34:49.050 and 01:34:50.550 --> 01:34:52.650 Their family name is Russell 01:34:54.250 --> 01:34:55.510 And Russell 01:34:56.750 --> 01:35:00.570 It the Russell family is identified in by spring mire 01:35:01.090 --> 01:35:03.870 as one of the 13 satanic bloodline families 01:35:04.550 --> 01:35:06.230 So the russles are obviously 01:35:06.890 --> 01:35:14.890 In in deep in this stuff and that connection with so can you just we talk about this for a bit tell me about about this this sort of 01:35:15.430 --> 01:35:17.930 What why did the russles get into this? 01:35:18.570 --> 01:35:18.990 this 01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:22.070 who who who who 01:35:22.070 --> 01:35:25.390 Who who devised the Tavistock Institute and and what was the purpose? 01:35:27.510 --> 01:35:30.590 Oh, well that you know that is 01:35:31.300 --> 01:35:32.470 a really hard 01:35:33.180 --> 01:35:39.530 thing for me to I I've been trying to research this in terms of like the the the root and the origin 01:35:40.330 --> 01:35:40.730 and 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.070 the the Russell connection is a 01:35:44.070 --> 01:35:51.990 Is is the best in terms of of that like there is a historical account by an insider of the Tavistock history 01:35:52.480 --> 01:35:57.070 I think his name is hv dicks and um, I can see something 01:35:57.990 --> 01:36:03.370 On the insights I gained from reading that but it's it's it's very 01:36:04.220 --> 01:36:07.010 much not like open in terms of 01:36:07.700 --> 01:36:10.830 This older Tavistock history there seems to also be 01:36:11.550 --> 01:36:12.210 um 01:36:12.210 --> 01:36:14.930 a possibility that hitler was 01:36:15.570 --> 01:36:16.130 um 01:36:16.130 --> 01:36:22.230 In this I think there was another notable Nazi that definitely was directly tied to Tavistock 01:36:22.690 --> 01:36:24.010 I think I think a 01:36:24.710 --> 01:36:25.990 Yeah as a subject 01:36:27.070 --> 01:36:30.890 You say you're suggesting that it's possible hitler mev 01:36:31.910 --> 01:36:34.210 I actually know some russles 01:36:35.530 --> 01:36:41.590 Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean and they're nice girls and I the thing is 01:36:42.370 --> 01:36:44.830 You meet people from these families 01:36:46.590 --> 01:36:50.410 And they don't always know that they're bloodlines 01:36:52.130 --> 01:36:52.750 Um 01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:58.830 Well, and that's a thing. I think that's a really important point, you know for you to make because 01:36:59.410 --> 01:37:02.050 um, it's easy, you know for us 01:37:02.690 --> 01:37:03.010 who 01:37:03.780 --> 01:37:04.630 have been 01:37:05.240 --> 01:37:09.150 You know born like a lot of people are born into families where 01:37:09.850 --> 01:37:14.150 The family history is just it's also just like it's not known, right? 01:37:14.230 --> 01:37:19.070 Like I don't I guess that's why like things like ancestry DNA is like it's it's uh, so popular 01:37:19.070 --> 01:37:23.770 But is also a way for them to get your your biological information. But um 01:37:24.590 --> 01:37:31.490 It's just it's unfortunately not practiced by I think the average family to have a history of like what your family 01:37:32.090 --> 01:37:34.710 Was a part of and everything which which is important 01:37:34.710 --> 01:37:42.050 Um, but even and so then when we see these families that do have that sort of legacy we sometimes I think yeah, like 01:37:43.190 --> 01:37:46.450 Think too much about it that everything is is so 01:37:46.450 --> 01:37:47.430 uh 01:37:47.430 --> 01:37:52.070 Uniform as an understanding within uh those families 01:37:52.570 --> 01:37:55.750 Which is is not necessarily the the case either 01:37:56.490 --> 01:37:59.530 I also like to to make the point with people that 01:37:59.530 --> 01:38:04.810 Aldous Huxley and Julian Huxley, right Julian was the older brother. They had a middle 01:38:05.410 --> 01:38:10.250 Brother their father also was not a well-known name, right? It was their grandfather Thomas Huxley 01:38:10.250 --> 01:38:12.830 Who was the the the great figure in the family? 01:38:13.270 --> 01:38:18.430 They had a middle, uh, brother who hung himself on their on their grounds 01:38:19.130 --> 01:38:25.490 Um, because the amount of family pressure, you know on the family was was so high. Um 01:38:26.210 --> 01:38:34.330 It's not like, you know, these aren't people who who themselves like Julian was going through electroshock therapy during the london bombings 01:38:34.850 --> 01:38:43.230 Um, Aldous Huxley was noted for saying he was happy that he lost his eyesight because he the expectations wouldn't be as heavy upon him as 01:38:43.230 --> 01:38:44.510 They were on Julian 01:38:45.190 --> 01:38:46.850 um, but that was you know 01:38:47.470 --> 01:38:52.030 That's that's an exception but also shows that these are still people 01:38:52.710 --> 01:38:55.590 At the end of the day, they're they're not just these like 01:38:55.590 --> 01:38:59.450 hollowed out, you know shells that are kind of like robots 01:39:00.030 --> 01:39:03.070 Uh, that have been just totally programmed to do something 01:39:03.630 --> 01:39:08.410 And that there's all of this struggle as well because it's unnatural, right? It's unnatural 01:39:09.030 --> 01:39:09.930 to ultimately 01:39:10.530 --> 01:39:12.190 be tasked with 01:39:12.190 --> 01:39:14.390 uh, these sort of mandates 01:39:15.230 --> 01:39:16.510 um, and there is 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:25.270 It takes time to corrupt someone and so I think that it's very humanizing to see like for instance that Julian did have to go through electroshock therapy 01:39:25.910 --> 01:39:26.370 um 01:39:26.830 --> 01:39:32.610 To get to a point where he's now creating UNESCO and he's like the co-founder of transhumanism with uh 01:39:32.610 --> 01:39:36.690 Uh, tyaldes chaldein and and this sort of stuff, but it doesn't just happen 01:39:36.690 --> 01:39:40.130 It's not even enough for you to be going through that as a as a child 01:39:41.030 --> 01:39:41.490 um 01:39:42.250 --> 01:39:50.170 And and on that note too with like the blank the blank slate right william sargent who did a lot of work for the tavastock institute 01:39:50.690 --> 01:39:51.470 basically doing 01:39:52.510 --> 01:39:56.370 experimentations on soldiers after world war one with a ptsd 01:39:57.070 --> 01:40:01.490 The the idea was always that they want the ideal was that they wanted a blank slate 01:40:01.490 --> 01:40:07.670 they wanted to be able to write anew on someone and um, they found that they they couldn't do that 01:40:07.670 --> 01:40:15.570 So even though there's undoubtedly a lot of success that they've they've they have achieved with mk ultra tavastock 01:40:16.230 --> 01:40:17.550 Um processes 01:40:18.190 --> 01:40:22.470 It's very comforting to realize that even william sargent has to acknowledge in his book 01:40:22.470 --> 01:40:26.150 That if someone has a strong conviction in something 01:40:27.030 --> 01:40:32.250 Whether it be true or not, but if you have a strong conviction in something you have a strong foundation 01:40:33.170 --> 01:40:39.410 You cannot just break that with a hammer or a sledgehammer and just rewrite upon it 01:40:39.410 --> 01:40:41.930 And william sergeant said with those people 01:40:42.690 --> 01:40:44.070 You basically have to like 01:40:44.590 --> 01:40:50.550 Kill them, you know, it's like he said the psychiatric asylums or the the hangman's news are for those people 01:40:51.530 --> 01:40:52.970 um, so 01:40:53.530 --> 01:40:58.990 I think that that is oddly comforting because it shows that we do have um 01:40:58.990 --> 01:41:05.010 A lot of ability to resist. Yeah, we can be killed instead of instead of locked up 01:41:07.330 --> 01:41:13.730 Well, they the the fact that they have to resort to that right is a form of weakness and obviously 01:41:14.450 --> 01:41:16.030 You can't do that with everybody 01:41:16.590 --> 01:41:21.510 Ultimately the goal is they need the masses to worship them and accept them 01:41:22.030 --> 01:41:27.170 That's the whole idea too of bringing upon it a new roman empire type construct 01:41:27.170 --> 01:41:29.490 Which is what I see is what they're trying to do 01:41:29.490 --> 01:41:31.710 A a more revised 01:41:32.410 --> 01:41:35.410 Roman empire with the mystery cults that were associated 01:41:35.990 --> 01:41:40.390 With the roman empire, but you need the masses to love it 01:41:40.390 --> 01:41:46.470 You need the masses to want it, you know, the gladiator games all that and to corrupt the masses 01:41:46.470 --> 01:41:49.270 But they need they need them to worship them 01:41:49.890 --> 01:41:50.290 so 01:41:51.150 --> 01:41:53.310 There is always I feel that 01:41:53.870 --> 01:41:58.350 Optimism because at the end of the day, I still believe that people are born sacred 01:41:58.350 --> 01:42:05.150 I believe that there is all of this energy that is constantly put to trying to get people to 01:42:05.670 --> 01:42:09.050 Go in a certain line that is clearly very unnatural 01:42:09.770 --> 01:42:13.210 And there's like so much energy like think about 01:42:13.790 --> 01:42:18.970 Everything that's going on with the entertainment industry and all that so like in one way it's very 01:42:20.050 --> 01:42:24.570 Disappointing to see people corrupted in like hollywood and stuff like that 01:42:24.570 --> 01:42:29.690 But when you look at the masses and how much work that they're trying to do to get people to think a certain way 01:42:29.690 --> 01:42:33.770 That is a sort of proofing of itself how unnatural 01:42:34.450 --> 01:42:38.310 It is for us and how we would so easily 01:42:39.570 --> 01:42:47.610 Switch to something more natural if all of a sudden we were allowed, you know, it's like we're going to now have um 01:42:47.610 --> 01:42:55.630 Uh this kind of positive outlook and we're going to have this constructive outlook and cooperation and so far so forth 01:42:56.300 --> 01:42:58.810 Like people will immediately go for that 01:42:58.810 --> 01:43:06.990 Greece is a good example, right where where Greece has been like totally gutted economically, but for like a short period of time 01:43:06.990 --> 01:43:09.350 There was this like pushback from Greece 01:43:10.160 --> 01:43:16.010 um that maybe they could stand up um and become economically sovereign and um 01:43:16.510 --> 01:43:20.850 You know, there were a lot of greek people that we we knew who were like very 01:43:20.850 --> 01:43:28.230 Which is sad, right when you think about like this how much of civilization western civilization comes from 01:43:28.230 --> 01:43:34.130 From the greek influence in a positive way, uh from like solenoid Athens and so forth, but 01:43:35.110 --> 01:43:35.630 um 01:43:36.150 --> 01:43:37.970 They became like totally different 01:43:39.070 --> 01:43:42.870 Like overnight when they saw that there was a certain kind of leadership 01:43:42.870 --> 01:43:49.830 That was like a david versus goliath type, you know feeling but like, you know that they were they were feeling very 01:43:50.470 --> 01:43:51.710 positive and optimistic 01:43:54.630 --> 01:43:57.270 Yeah, yeah, and so 01:43:58.140 --> 01:44:00.290 They were totally disempowered for like 01:44:00.870 --> 01:44:02.210 decades and then 01:44:02.870 --> 01:44:03.310 instantly 01:44:03.910 --> 01:44:09.650 Lit like the greek people can be a unified people a strong people a sovereign people it 01:44:09.650 --> 01:44:11.750 It was there the whole time 01:44:12.290 --> 01:44:19.970 So I think that that is a a really positive thing to keep in mind, you know, like during covid right before the truckers protest 01:44:20.970 --> 01:44:22.990 Trudeau had said, um 01:44:22.990 --> 01:44:25.190 You know, and it was very scary 01:44:25.190 --> 01:44:29.110 It was very isolating when I would go out to the grocery store and stuff 01:44:29.110 --> 01:44:33.130 it seemed like everybody was on board with this and 01:44:33.130 --> 01:44:38.030 And they were masked up and they were gonna get the third vaccine or whatever 01:44:38.030 --> 01:44:42.210 I mean to be fair. I think it was only a second vaccine that had come out maybe or the first one 01:44:42.210 --> 01:44:48.770 I think it was the first one and uh trudeau was like saying like anyone who is not vaccinated is a misogynist and a racist 01:44:48.770 --> 01:44:54.230 And I was ready to be sent to a concentration camp at that point and like you had heard stories 01:44:54.230 --> 01:44:57.710 I'm pretty sure that they had empty like hotel 01:44:58.390 --> 01:45:02.970 type prisons house for people that lock on the outside of the core 01:45:03.410 --> 01:45:09.530 Um that they were prepared to send people to who didn't go along with this and obviously it was a minority 01:45:10.010 --> 01:45:11.650 Who had not been vaccinated? 01:45:12.670 --> 01:45:15.490 And then the trucker protest happened like really shortly 01:45:16.170 --> 01:45:21.270 After that and I was so relieved because I was really thinking like, oh my god 01:45:21.710 --> 01:45:25.610 Did everyone just go along with this and like goodbye to 01:45:26.130 --> 01:45:32.070 To any conception of uh, of uh, you know, uh citizen rights 01:45:32.970 --> 01:45:33.470 and 01:45:34.010 --> 01:45:37.770 It was interesting because even though the majority have been vaccinated 01:45:37.770 --> 01:45:47.250 There were clearly so many people who have been vaccinated who were also along the streets cheering on these truckers who were going across the entire country 01:45:47.790 --> 01:45:50.670 Uh to protest peacefully in Ottawa 01:45:51.290 --> 01:45:52.010 um 01:45:52.730 --> 01:45:54.850 and that was uh, so 01:45:54.850 --> 01:46:01.970 Uh powerful and and I was so surprised because I never had high expectations for canadians to do any 01:46:01.970 --> 01:46:06.130 anything of a of an organized intelligent pushback 01:46:06.810 --> 01:46:13.210 and um, it was so smart that the message was still very loving and is family oriented and 01:46:13.210 --> 01:46:19.310 You know, there were setbacks in terms of like what exactly should as with a lot of these movements 01:46:19.310 --> 01:46:24.090 Unfortunately, like if if you have like a seat at the table, what do you want to see? 01:46:24.490 --> 01:46:31.150 At least there was this clear, uh pushback of like, you know, we should have the right to decide our 01:46:31.150 --> 01:46:34.990 medical issues and and especially on the vaccination of the children 01:46:35.710 --> 01:46:36.050 so 01:46:36.670 --> 01:46:40.350 When that happened it again lit a light for turning people 01:46:40.910 --> 01:46:47.370 Instantly and there was this this idea of uh, of a of a unity in a very positive way 01:46:47.370 --> 01:46:53.690 And it wasn't to try to like, you know hunt down the people who were for the vaccines or anything 01:46:53.690 --> 01:46:56.790 It was a very uh positive thing. So 01:46:57.570 --> 01:47:03.110 For me, I I see these as like very big indicators and I'm sure like 01:47:03.790 --> 01:47:06.510 Most people who are watching this they identified themselves 01:47:07.250 --> 01:47:10.230 As being in connection with something that is good within themselves 01:47:11.090 --> 01:47:18.490 I think that a lot of people majority people they have that and it it can be lit in a good way 01:47:18.490 --> 01:47:20.690 In a positive peaceful way 01:47:20.690 --> 01:47:22.470 Um, it can be lit 01:47:23.090 --> 01:47:24.570 in a really powerful 01:47:25.290 --> 01:47:25.950 constructive 01:47:26.810 --> 01:47:27.810 Loving beautiful 01:47:28.630 --> 01:47:29.290 way 01:47:29.930 --> 01:47:37.370 um, but they need to keep us isolated in our that's why things are becoming more and more divisive as well and 01:47:37.370 --> 01:47:39.070 there's there's increasingly 01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:41.390 an inability for 01:47:42.260 --> 01:47:47.170 For for dialogue on on people who even see things differently, right? Because obviously 01:47:47.170 --> 01:47:51.540 No one's ever going to see everything on the same page. But if we're 01:47:52.320 --> 01:47:58.160 In in agreement that it is possible to live in a world where 01:47:59.060 --> 01:48:03.780 You know, it's not a zero-sum game that someone has to suffer 01:48:03.780 --> 01:48:07.940 Someone's got to get the short end of the stick. This is a myth 01:48:07.940 --> 01:48:12.580 It's a lie that we've been told in order to have us fight each other 01:48:13.300 --> 01:48:18.340 Instead of realizing, you know, who is pulling the strings and I know a lot of people 01:48:18.340 --> 01:48:23.220 They want me to say like the list of the names like who are the baddies and for me it's more 01:48:23.940 --> 01:48:29.760 Um, the the methods that are being used because the names can change. There are new families that are brought in 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:31.720 There are new, you know, high-level 01:48:32.260 --> 01:48:34.360 like kizinger types who are brought in 01:48:34.900 --> 01:48:38.660 Um, that don't even have like a whole, you know, a family legacy 01:48:39.220 --> 01:48:39.660 um 01:48:40.180 --> 01:48:41.740 That I know of anyway for kizinger 01:48:41.740 --> 01:48:42.500 but 01:48:43.160 --> 01:48:48.480 It's more than methodology, but the fact too that we have such an extremely 01:48:49.120 --> 01:48:49.760 uh 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:52.580 Power a huge power for the good 01:48:53.200 --> 01:49:02.060 And that most people really are on this side and and even though I understand that there's this idea that maybe satan rules the world 01:49:02.060 --> 01:49:05.780 I believe that, you know, especially if we have 01:49:06.740 --> 01:49:09.120 Yes, but if we also believe 01:49:09.120 --> 01:49:13.380 But if we also believe that there is a grouping of people 01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:16.820 And there's no set number here, right? 01:49:17.580 --> 01:49:21.980 Who can who accept the teachings of god and they reject? 01:49:23.240 --> 01:49:24.360 satan's rule 01:49:25.480 --> 01:49:26.200 to me 01:49:27.060 --> 01:49:32.720 There is an odd optimism in that that you still have people who are 01:49:33.140 --> 01:49:38.680 Uh, truly following um the teachings of god and rejecting satan's rule 01:49:39.120 --> 01:49:46.480 And so for me that doesn't mean that that has to be a disempowered grouping and anyone who follows the teachings of the true teachings of god 01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:47.980 should have 01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:50.980 uh, a certain um 01:49:51.660 --> 01:49:54.360 From my understanding they should have actually 01:49:55.100 --> 01:49:58.020 more power because it is god's 01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:03.980 creation after all it's it's I mean god's gonna win so I don't I'm I'm in agreement with you there 01:50:03.980 --> 01:50:06.300 but that doesn't mean we can't 01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:08.460 Indulge ourselves 01:50:09.200 --> 01:50:11.720 with it with the with the gory details of 01:50:12.300 --> 01:50:17.780 Institutes like the tavern store because yeah, I mean, I know I agree. I agree with what you say, but it is kind 01:50:18.300 --> 01:50:21.720 I I think that if we're if we're going to defeat the enemy 01:50:23.480 --> 01:50:27.720 One of the their key weaknesses is 01:50:29.460 --> 01:50:31.180 When we expose their secrets 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.560 because they they operate secrecy and stealth 01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.880 And if you show their workings 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:39.480 They are left exposed 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:44.900 That it's like when the tide goes out and people can see who's not wearing any swimming trunks suddenly 01:50:45.540 --> 01:50:46.420 um that 01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:50.000 The I mean 01:50:51.060 --> 01:50:51.940 If you asked 01:50:53.580 --> 01:50:58.320 Ordinary people let's say I'm not going to call them normies for this actually normies. Yeah 01:50:58.980 --> 01:51:00.440 If you ask most normies 01:51:01.080 --> 01:51:01.520 about 01:51:02.240 --> 01:51:02.860 Tavis dog 01:51:04.060 --> 01:51:07.420 If you told them there was is that in there was an institution 01:51:08.260 --> 01:51:09.280 which had been 01:51:10.480 --> 01:51:13.600 Set up what in the early 20th century 01:51:14.220 --> 01:51:19.260 With a view to brainwashing mass brainwashing the populace 01:51:19.940 --> 01:51:22.900 in all manner of ways including later on with the Beatles 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:23.980 um 01:51:25.480 --> 01:51:26.560 They'd go well 01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:28.320 Hello 01:51:28.900 --> 01:51:33.980 If if this if this place really existed or if it served the function you described 01:51:33.980 --> 01:51:38.220 There would have been a load of articles in the Daily Mail about it a load of inside 01:51:38.740 --> 01:51:45.500 Investigations which would have explained to me and bbc panorama would have covered it and and because it's such a good story 01:51:45.500 --> 01:51:51.720 How would the media not have told us about this thing because people don't realize that the media is part of the deception 01:51:52.380 --> 01:51:52.880 so 01:51:54.280 --> 01:51:55.080 We need 01:51:55.890 --> 01:51:58.440 I think it'd be very helpful if you could if you could outline 01:51:59.290 --> 01:52:04.440 The Tavis dog and how it how it came about and and what it what it does 01:52:06.660 --> 01:52:09.960 Yeah, so as you were bringing up that 01:52:10.550 --> 01:52:17.080 There is a a link to the the Russell family and uh, you know the the Tavis dog town 01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:20.880 Um interestingly too if you look at the Tavis dog symbol 01:52:21.580 --> 01:52:24.360 Which I don't know if you do images in in your podcast 01:52:24.360 --> 01:52:27.980 But someone can just look up Tavis dog Institute on the internet 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:34.180 And you get the coat of arms of like the sheep. That's kind of like with the skin opened and and hanging 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:35.440 Fabian 01:52:37.340 --> 01:52:40.420 Fabian it's very similar to the it's very 01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:44.380 Similar because the fabian has the wolf wearing sheep's clothing 01:52:44.380 --> 01:52:49.060 Which I think later on they got rid of and I don't know how many people even are aware of that 01:52:49.060 --> 01:52:50.720 original logo, which is 01:52:51.300 --> 01:52:52.100 very telling 01:52:52.940 --> 01:52:54.520 But the the sheep 01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:01.380 Being hung like that is also the symbol for the order of the golden fleece 01:53:02.340 --> 01:53:02.980 um 01:53:02.980 --> 01:53:06.680 Where you know, uh, the especially the the spanish 01:53:07.240 --> 01:53:12.220 Catholic monarchs were the grand masters of this order for a long time 01:53:12.220 --> 01:53:14.660 I think there were other countries involved as well 01:53:14.660 --> 01:53:20.120 But I don't I don't know too much of the like the details of all of the grand masters, but all to say 01:53:20.870 --> 01:53:28.040 That that is also a connection to that the the Habsburg Catholic kind of entity. So very interesting 01:53:28.040 --> 01:53:31.960 I I just recently found that out doing the the rose accrucian 01:53:32.500 --> 01:53:34.320 research, um 01:53:34.970 --> 01:53:39.140 So the Tavis dog Institute, um from it's 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:45.860 More instituting and clinical history. I rely on HV Dix's accounts of the history 01:53:45.860 --> 01:53:50.000 So it's only from an insider that I've gotten like the most information 01:53:50.460 --> 01:53:57.980 And what's very interesting is that at first it was selling itself as a clinic to treat, you know, um 01:53:58.740 --> 01:54:06.520 People and uh including uh soldiers with like their issues, but they actually had a purge 01:54:07.440 --> 01:54:08.080 Uh 01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:12.920 Within maybe I think less than 10 years of its founding 01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:16.100 And it was called operation phoenix 01:54:16.100 --> 01:54:20.100 Which is very interesting because it is totally tied to 01:54:20.100 --> 01:54:23.360 Vietnam's operation phoenix people who haven't 01:54:24.080 --> 01:54:29.520 Um, I'm sure most people have not seen our our film called operation phoenix 01:54:29.900 --> 01:54:33.940 They can see that for free on my my substack through a glass darkly 01:54:33.940 --> 01:54:40.040 Which goes over a lot of um what i'm about to talk about with the tavis to stock link to the vietnam 01:54:40.620 --> 01:54:45.160 uh war and the kind of experiments they were doing on people in vietnam, but 01:54:45.780 --> 01:54:51.800 They interestingly called it an operation phoenix because the phoenix is known to burn its nest 01:54:52.420 --> 01:54:56.780 And you know with this idea of like it's a purgative cleanse 01:54:56.780 --> 01:54:59.600 And I do feel that there are a lot of people 01:55:00.120 --> 01:55:03.660 Who are calling for a purgative form of cleansing right now 01:55:03.940 --> 01:55:10.420 You know, it's so corrupt just burn it all down and remember vietnam was burned the village to save the village kind of insanity 01:55:11.420 --> 01:55:12.020 um 01:55:12.020 --> 01:55:12.920 and so 01:55:12.920 --> 01:55:18.500 It's very interesting that tap and opera the phoenix symbol also is has rose accrucian 01:55:19.080 --> 01:55:23.420 Um significance and all that that's too much for me to go over like all right now 01:55:23.420 --> 01:55:27.180 but again people can see my substack for more on this so 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:32.360 Very interesting that the tabasoc says this about itself because there's an internal 01:55:32.360 --> 01:55:36.680 Disagreement within tabasoc as to what route they were ultimately going to go in 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:45.400 And um the route that they they they went along with under the guidance of john ralings reese who wasn't the the original head 01:55:45.940 --> 01:55:49.740 Was to become directly in partnership with the british military 01:55:50.740 --> 01:55:55.740 So at a very early stage after operation phoenix they become 01:55:56.360 --> 01:56:01.780 jointly aligned with the british military in their conceptualization of psychiatry 01:56:01.780 --> 01:56:04.960 Which was a societal form 01:56:05.360 --> 01:56:11.000 Of psychiatry so it became less about the individual and more about how to 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:12.440 perform 01:56:14.580 --> 01:56:17.760 Psychological therapy on the masses 01:56:18.360 --> 01:56:19.020 hence also 01:56:19.500 --> 01:56:24.960 You could say social engineering is it's not to say social engineering didn't uh 01:56:25.500 --> 01:56:28.540 Exist before this but in the form that we know it today 01:56:28.540 --> 01:56:30.540 It's tabasoc has a lot to do 01:56:31.170 --> 01:56:34.380 with that and uh john ralings reese would also 01:56:35.170 --> 01:56:39.600 Be heavily involved with the world health organization and this concept of mental hygiene 01:56:40.330 --> 01:56:42.420 So a lot of the the health practices 01:56:42.420 --> 01:56:49.800 So basically tabasoc did what later on the rand institute would also do very much in the united states, which was 01:56:50.410 --> 01:56:57.480 They went into a whole bunch of these institutions and they reorganized them and part of uh 01:56:58.240 --> 01:57:00.860 The one of the the the the prominent 01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:03.120 Therapist of tabasoc 01:57:03.860 --> 01:57:06.980 I'm forgetting his name now, but uh group think 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:13.340 And group therapy also is being conceptualized through tabasoc like orwell 01:57:13.940 --> 01:57:19.060 Was very creative in his 1984, but he wasn't actually making stuff up 01:57:19.060 --> 01:57:24.020 Like these things were actually being discussed and he was linked to british intelligence 01:57:24.020 --> 01:57:26.040 He actually worked as a 01:57:26.900 --> 01:57:30.880 Burmese policeman and was already involved in like shock therapy 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:35.180 In burma and burma malaya were like the 01:57:35.550 --> 01:57:40.600 The prototypes before what happened to vietnam war and and the vietnam war the 01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:45.660 The green berets who were involved in this this the cia under land stale special forces 01:57:46.500 --> 01:57:46.960 um 01:57:47.750 --> 01:57:49.700 They were even saying that malaya 01:57:49.700 --> 01:57:56.760 And and burma were the models that they were later going to do in vietnam with their operation phoenix, which was 01:57:56.760 --> 01:58:01.320 An attempt to wipe the slate clean on a societal level 01:58:01.710 --> 01:58:06.020 And rebuild a new identity a new cultural matrix 01:58:06.900 --> 01:58:08.640 um with that and 01:58:09.610 --> 01:58:12.360 One of the ideas is you need to shock 01:58:12.770 --> 01:58:15.320 You need to shock the people and scramble 01:58:15.320 --> 01:58:20.840 Things enough so that there is increased suggestibility and an ability to 01:58:20.840 --> 01:58:24.520 To introduce radically different concepts 01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:27.220 And so again people should keep in mind 01:58:27.740 --> 01:58:34.560 The the sort of stuff that you're even watching for entertainment or this idea of returning to a certain kind of chaotic 01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:36.740 Killer be killed 01:58:37.620 --> 01:58:38.960 thing this is 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:41.200 all part of the phase 01:58:41.880 --> 01:58:43.900 to eventually have 01:58:44.330 --> 01:58:46.260 um a peak in chaos 01:58:47.030 --> 01:58:47.660 so that 01:58:48.530 --> 01:58:49.500 after that chaos 01:58:49.930 --> 01:58:56.660 They're able to to re-institute a different kind of matrix that they want to see 01:58:56.660 --> 01:58:58.960 So it's a bit like trauma 01:58:59.530 --> 01:59:01.540 That you inflict trauma on the victim 01:59:02.190 --> 01:59:06.660 To make them susceptible to whatever stuff you want to pour into their heads 01:59:06.660 --> 01:59:10.900 Yeah, so Naomi Klein wrote the shot doctrine on on that 01:59:11.780 --> 01:59:12.480 so 01:59:13.260 --> 01:59:14.480 I can see that 01:59:15.180 --> 01:59:16.780 It started off initially 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:19.120 started off as uh 01:59:19.120 --> 01:59:20.860 Well, the cover story was 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:24.760 We are treating victims of shell shocks. They're already you've got 01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:28.820 You've got a ready readily available market of 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:31.240 Numerous 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:35.800 Shell-shocked victims from the First World War. So their brains have been frozen 01:59:37.060 --> 01:59:39.100 Yeah, and also people like 01:59:40.460 --> 01:59:46.340 People forget that there was a lot of positivity in the 1800s because of 01:59:47.140 --> 01:59:50.580 There was a huge increase in standard of living through 01:59:50.580 --> 01:59:57.580 You know technological industrial developments that happened in the 1800s and HG Wells complains 01:59:57.580 --> 02:00:05.700 That the worst thing that has happened is that the pop the world population has something like triphalters because the standard of living was really 02:00:06.300 --> 02:00:08.360 getting better the the 02:00:09.550 --> 02:00:11.540 wealth of the average person 02:00:11.970 --> 02:00:12.400 in 02:00:13.230 --> 02:00:20.160 Countries who were developing economically were noticeably improving and optimism. So 02:00:20.590 --> 02:00:27.420 My hypothesis as well as Matthews is that the First World War was orchestrated to artificially 02:00:27.910 --> 02:00:33.440 get countries to fight each other to disrupt this process of 02:00:34.370 --> 02:00:37.840 You know things going in a certain direction, which was for 02:00:38.700 --> 02:00:39.180 positive 02:00:40.700 --> 02:00:41.460 You know 02:00:41.460 --> 02:00:46.720 Things for the people economic sovereignty and and political sovereignty 02:00:47.260 --> 02:00:51.880 And so after the First World War, there wasn't just the shock for the soldiers 02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:54.800 There was the shock for the general populace of like 02:00:55.360 --> 02:00:58.980 What just happened, you know, like it was one of the highest body counts 02:00:58.980 --> 02:01:02.580 And I mean the us also went through a civil war like not that long ago 02:01:02.580 --> 02:01:10.380 But for the world to go through this shared trauma or a lot of the world went through a shared trauma experience 02:01:11.090 --> 02:01:13.000 And even if you were on the field 02:01:13.900 --> 02:01:20.860 You were affected right as the wife of a soldier as a child of a soldier and just even how 02:01:21.540 --> 02:01:28.100 society like London, you know, like you had like the the the the siren 02:01:28.850 --> 02:01:32.140 alarms, right for for the the potential 02:01:33.060 --> 02:01:34.340 bombs so 02:01:35.180 --> 02:01:37.940 That was a and William Sargent talks about that right that 02:01:39.120 --> 02:01:42.200 People had to still go to work every day 02:01:42.840 --> 02:01:49.600 Not knowing if bombs were going to drop and you would even pass by sometimes like a building that had been bombed 02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:51.700 There might be live people in the in the building 02:01:52.420 --> 02:01:53.780 um, and like 02:01:54.400 --> 02:01:55.840 William Sargent found that 02:01:56.340 --> 02:01:57.820 For the normal person 02:01:58.340 --> 02:02:01.660 The the coping mechanism was ironically 02:02:02.580 --> 02:02:05.980 Your survival instinct and so that's like how they've kind of 02:02:07.420 --> 02:02:13.480 Warped something that obviously you should have a survival instinct like it's not bad to have a survival instinct 02:02:13.480 --> 02:02:15.540 but it can be it can be 02:02:16.100 --> 02:02:16.540 used 02:02:17.180 --> 02:02:23.220 Against you to actually be like a frog in in slowly boiling water kind of scenario 02:02:24.020 --> 02:02:27.480 and a lot of the post apocalyptic films that we have 02:02:28.020 --> 02:02:33.180 Is basically, you know very much pumping this idea of like you need to be a survivor 02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:38.960 You need to be a survivor and be prepared for whatever comes your way and just survive 02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:43.100 But there is also this problem of your 02:02:44.020 --> 02:02:50.100 You're supposed to just accept it, right? Like don't go through the process of like oh my god. Why is this happening? 02:02:50.500 --> 02:02:53.920 How could this be because you need to just focus on surviving? 02:02:54.860 --> 02:02:55.200 and 02:02:55.920 --> 02:03:04.220 Paradox paradoxically that will also get you to sort of accept the parameters and readjust to a radically different 02:03:05.380 --> 02:03:07.480 Situation which is part of the shock 02:03:08.320 --> 02:03:08.640 therapy 02:03:09.480 --> 02:03:15.120 Right. Um, so i'm not you shouldn't have a survival instinct, but you should also never shut off 02:03:15.120 --> 02:03:19.580 Why is this happening and you know and not be kind of led? 02:03:20.040 --> 02:03:25.020 Where everyone is kind of being herded to in a masterful way through game theory type 02:03:25.660 --> 02:03:27.280 uh, you know nudging 02:03:28.200 --> 02:03:29.000 but um 02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:34.280 Yeah, so that that was part of the the brilliance of this shared shock trauma 02:03:35.020 --> 02:03:43.040 And and so that was also the justification for the tavastok saying that everybody now needs therapy after the first world war 02:03:43.960 --> 02:03:48.240 Right, okay, and but all along presumably 02:03:49.580 --> 02:03:51.240 The people who conceived it 02:03:52.080 --> 02:03:57.840 Whatever the individual psychic psychiatrists thought the people who conceived it knew it was for 02:03:58.460 --> 02:03:59.120 societal 02:04:00.020 --> 02:04:02.540 brainwashing mass brainwashing mass formation 02:04:05.560 --> 02:04:08.200 Yeah, I think that um 02:04:08.200 --> 02:04:15.940 I can't say for certain that every person at the origin of the tavastok clinic had that mandate, right? 02:04:15.940 --> 02:04:22.760 But I would I would say that even I forgot now the name of the other leader before john ralings reese 02:04:22.760 --> 02:04:27.280 But he was a follower of carl young and carl young was actually involved in the 02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:35.820 He was in discussions with carl young as to how to go about setting up the the the mission and the mandate for the institute 02:04:37.120 --> 02:04:44.240 um, so I don't think he was a great person either, but um, I don't think it was necessarily 02:04:45.040 --> 02:04:50.620 With the viewpoint from the very beginning. We're going to work with the british military and we're going to combine 02:04:51.240 --> 02:04:52.240 a psychological 02:04:53.320 --> 02:04:58.580 Therapy on with the military. I think that it's normal for a lot of these these kinds of 02:04:58.580 --> 02:05:06.040 Institutes where you you have people who who don't have great ideas to begin with but they're not necessarily 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:07.920 wanting to do 02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:09.120 Uh 02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:11.480 You know certain types of things 02:05:12.020 --> 02:05:18.900 And then there's just like gang counter gang operations as well like that. I feel that the the original uh 02:05:18.900 --> 02:05:24.460 Person involved with the tavastok, which again, I'm sorry. I forgot his name because I didn't I do so many different things 02:05:24.460 --> 02:05:26.780 And it's I don't have a great memory for names 02:05:27.360 --> 02:05:28.040 but um 02:05:28.720 --> 02:05:32.960 I I don't think he was a great person either. It's just um 02:05:33.500 --> 02:05:34.180 you know 02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:44.460 The they use this uh the fabian approach right the fabian approach is um that you have to be in constant combat mode 02:05:45.030 --> 02:05:46.800 Even with your colleagues 02:05:47.470 --> 02:05:51.880 And it's the survival of the fittest the ran institute was like that too 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:54.900 They had all types of internal disagreements 02:05:54.900 --> 02:06:01.040 Within and the concept is it's the survival of the fittest and whoever wins out is 02:06:01.640 --> 02:06:07.540 Uh, it they are clearly they were meant to rule the institute and dictate it 02:06:07.540 --> 02:06:10.940 So it's not to say that anyone in there was a saint 02:06:11.500 --> 02:06:17.080 But there are like disagreements and there there is there is this um 02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:19.780 approach to um 02:06:20.480 --> 02:06:24.920 That that is pretty brutal as like to how you you treat people working 02:06:25.580 --> 02:06:30.680 in these these institutes which on some level is definitely um 02:06:31.040 --> 02:06:31.880 A religious 02:06:32.900 --> 02:06:37.500 Like idea as well. Like you have to be kind of fanatical 02:06:38.170 --> 02:06:39.160 to put yourself 02:06:39.630 --> 02:06:42.120 Through something like that. It's 02:06:42.120 --> 02:06:44.880 There's also clearly a striving for personal power 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:48.280 But there is definitely an element of fanaticism 02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:52.800 So how did the term stop institute 02:06:53.850 --> 02:06:54.200 shape 02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:56.220 culture 02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:59.120 How did it brainwash the masses? 02:07:02.160 --> 02:07:02.980 Um 02:07:04.610 --> 02:07:09.810 I think that um a lot of the the sort of 02:07:10.440 --> 02:07:11.120 um 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:18.020 Opinions the the way that cultural norms were shaped 02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:19.280 um 02:07:20.590 --> 02:07:27.740 These were things that were being um brought in through the the education through all of the the the different groupings 02:07:27.740 --> 02:07:31.160 Even I found out that they they own this company called 02:07:31.640 --> 02:07:32.120 uni 02:07:33.900 --> 02:07:38.580 I forgot the the full name of it. It was uni something but it was for all like household products 02:07:39.260 --> 02:07:43.940 And I thought that that was also really disturbing that they at taba stock was actually 02:07:44.380 --> 02:07:48.000 In control of a lot of household products that were being sold 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:53.960 Which kind of explains why you hear weird things like johnson johnson baby powder. They found like talk talk 02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:55.680 Uh like a toxic 02:07:56.240 --> 02:07:57.920 Component you mean unilever 02:07:59.680 --> 02:08:06.630 Yeah, unilever. Yeah taba stock is uh, unilever is a huge. Yeah a huge corporation. I know 02:08:07.440 --> 02:08:08.600 um, I know 02:08:11.020 --> 02:08:15.960 Yeah, there's that's it explains why there's all of these problematic ingredients 02:08:16.600 --> 02:08:22.280 In these products because it's not enough to say all these companies were taking a shortcut to save money 02:08:22.280 --> 02:08:27.160 Like there's even now like products that are being found where there's undeclared 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:28.340 um 02:08:29.020 --> 02:08:35.080 Ingredients in the products like they're they're not even being declared and in canada and the united states. It's a real 02:08:35.820 --> 02:08:42.620 Shit show. Uh, we don't have the same kind of protections as european products do even but um 02:08:42.620 --> 02:08:48.660 It explains why there was a lot of these problematic things and but it's an infiltration on like a very 02:08:49.140 --> 02:08:51.040 high level and then the question is 02:08:52.280 --> 02:08:57.020 How is that allowed to happen so quickly and taba stock is what? 02:08:57.420 --> 02:09:06.060 You know influenced but would become mk ultra in the united states, but um, it was I think a different kind of uh, 02:09:06.340 --> 02:09:06.840 you know 02:09:06.840 --> 02:09:09.360 strategy for internal warfare 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:10.540 that people 02:09:11.080 --> 02:09:11.600 um 02:09:11.600 --> 02:09:14.480 To stay don't fully realize and and like ran 02:09:14.480 --> 02:09:19.160 I think is probably also modeling itself off of a a sort of taba stock 02:09:19.160 --> 02:09:23.400 model and again ran ended up being in control of like 02:09:23.400 --> 02:09:29.800 Uh, the educational system in the states and and the the housing situation in the states 02:09:29.800 --> 02:09:33.260 The ran is connected to that. There's a really good book called um 02:09:34.280 --> 02:09:35.080 It's called 02:09:35.700 --> 02:09:37.700 I have it there. Um 02:09:37.700 --> 02:09:40.740 There's a really good book by the ran history 02:09:41.980 --> 02:09:44.860 Uh, I'm forgetting the name of it now, but it was uh 02:09:44.860 --> 02:09:48.760 This guy was allowed to actually go into the archives of the ran 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:53.160 Institute where these things were not necessarily open to the public 02:09:53.160 --> 02:09:57.780 I think it's the the one of the few like recent brand books though 02:09:57.780 --> 02:10:01.160 So people could find it on the internet. Okay. I can't find it on the bookshelf 02:10:03.200 --> 02:10:04.820 All this sounds like 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:06.640 auto ab 02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:08.040 kao 02:10:08.040 --> 02:10:08.800 kao 02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:09.540 um 02:10:10.100 --> 02:10:16.740 It's the the idea that that that before you get the new order you have to have this period of 02:10:17.340 --> 02:10:23.140 of of chaos so so as I understand it taba stock one of its functions was to sort of 02:10:23.140 --> 02:10:24.860 Divide the generations 02:10:25.520 --> 02:10:30.580 So it was instrumental in creating the the british rock and roll scene british music scene 02:10:31.300 --> 02:10:34.340 Uh with the Beatles and the stones. So I think we're both taba stock 02:10:35.080 --> 02:10:35.680 babies 02:10:36.960 --> 02:10:37.560 um 02:10:38.400 --> 02:10:41.800 And you mentioned adorno, didn't you theodore adorno? 02:10:43.380 --> 02:10:46.260 Um, I think he was involved in the taba stock 02:10:47.320 --> 02:10:50.160 clinic one of the cultural marxists, wasn't he? 02:10:50.940 --> 02:10:52.840 Was he I I don't know 02:10:52.840 --> 02:10:55.600 I don't know if he was but I know that ardie lang 02:10:56.360 --> 02:11:03.560 did work for the taba stock institute and he was later on brought into the esalen institute to uh 02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:07.560 educate them on how to induce schizophrenic 02:11:08.300 --> 02:11:11.080 uh traits so it's very interesting 02:11:11.860 --> 02:11:12.560 that 02:11:13.190 --> 02:11:17.160 During this time and I have it actually in this um 02:11:17.160 --> 02:11:19.620 in this paper on my sub stack called 02:11:20.250 --> 02:11:22.960 Cy war false flags and the psychology 02:11:23.490 --> 02:11:29.300 Of shaping another's reality or house mass perception is manufactured. Sorry. That's a really long title, but 02:11:29.300 --> 02:11:35.400 There is an in that article. There is a clipping of an old esalen institute 02:11:36.240 --> 02:11:37.520 um article 02:11:38.100 --> 02:11:39.420 from their own publication 02:11:40.260 --> 02:11:40.900 um 02:11:40.900 --> 02:11:44.460 In 1967 pamphlet yeah cult where it's at 02:11:45.280 --> 02:11:45.920 um 02:11:46.740 --> 02:11:53.200 And uh, yeah, it's being talked about how ardie lang this is from them ardie lang of london's taba stock clinic on a 02:11:53.200 --> 02:11:56.080 Proposal to establish a blowout center at big sir 02:11:56.080 --> 02:12:03.980 Where a small selected group of psychotics will be treated as persons on voyages of discovery and allowed to go through their psychoses 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:09.820 It appears that the non paranoid acute schizophrenic break is relatively short 02:12:10.440 --> 02:12:13.240 And just followed by a re integrative process 02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.740 So that the individual returns from his trip 02:12:16.740 --> 02:12:21.500 They even have it on quotes trip with a higher IQ than at the beginning 02:12:22.130 --> 02:12:28.240 We hope to find new ways to make such breaks valuable functioning heightening experiences. So this is 02:12:28.240 --> 02:12:30.700 Um, as you are correct to say 02:12:30.700 --> 02:12:37.460 Directly connected to theodora adorno's work with the frankford institute who was also calling for in his case 02:12:37.460 --> 02:12:40.500 His specialty was music. He was actually quite an accomplished 02:12:40.500 --> 02:12:42.780 A pianist 02:12:43.740 --> 02:12:48.800 um to use music to induce schizophrenic breaks 02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:55.300 So yes, I think that adorno clearly was also involved with this either directly or not, you know 02:12:55.300 --> 02:13:01.040 But this this taba stocking type process which the beetles were brought into and the grateful dead 02:13:01.040 --> 02:13:04.300 actually had as one of their agents, um 02:13:04.300 --> 02:13:10.460 The uh a relative like I think the agent of grateful dead his father was 02:13:11.080 --> 02:13:17.260 From the taba stock institute again. I'm sorry. I I'm very bad with games. I think it's trist 02:13:18.180 --> 02:13:19.800 right, um 02:13:20.380 --> 02:13:23.200 Eric trist, but um, so yeah, the 02:13:23.200 --> 02:13:31.560 The point is is that um, there's this uh focus on inducing schizophrenic breaks inducing 02:13:32.140 --> 02:13:38.820 Um fragmenting the mind with clearly as they even say themselves a re integrative process 02:13:38.820 --> 02:13:40.380 So you need to shock 02:13:40.940 --> 02:13:46.440 And have the schizophrenic breaks and then you can kind of reassemble things you can rebuild 02:13:46.440 --> 02:13:50.040 Things and at the time these words were not 02:13:50.600 --> 02:13:57.240 Didn't have like as much of a negative connotation as they they do now and and the taba stock clinic clearly didn't have 02:13:57.240 --> 02:14:02.200 Like I don't think today the uslin institute would publicly align itself with 02:14:02.200 --> 02:14:08.240 taba stock theory because um, it's more known now, but uh 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:09.320 there 02:14:10.140 --> 02:14:16.280 There is definitely a connection with that and and yeah, it's and it's unfortunate that the beetles are still 02:14:16.280 --> 02:14:22.360 Like as popular as they are but a lot of a lot of these rock groups like jim Morrison from the doors 02:14:22.360 --> 02:14:27.780 His father was uh, not just any high-level guy from the the u.s. Military 02:14:27.780 --> 02:14:34.360 But a lot of them are tied directly to the u.s. Military, but jim Morrison's father was directly connected to the um 02:14:35.100 --> 02:14:38.100 To the uh gulf of tomkin incident 02:14:38.860 --> 02:14:39.380 Yeah 02:14:39.380 --> 02:14:45.640 He was in charge of the u.s. Beach and of in the south china sea at the gulf during the gulf 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:48.400 He initiated the vietnam war effectively 02:14:49.760 --> 02:14:50.440 Yeah 02:14:51.120 --> 02:14:51.800 so 02:14:52.740 --> 02:14:53.700 Yeah, I 02:14:53.700 --> 02:14:56.600 this all makes sense why 02:14:57.440 --> 02:15:02.500 lsd was so important to the to the whole birth of the the hippie 02:15:03.200 --> 02:15:10.980 scene and why grateful dead were giving out free acid tabs at their their gigs that if this was the mission to kind of 02:15:10.980 --> 02:15:13.500 fracture the personalities and and 02:15:14.200 --> 02:15:15.920 Of of a generation 02:15:16.540 --> 02:15:17.880 Then that's the obvious 02:15:18.400 --> 02:15:23.500 Short cut way of doing it tell everyone to tune in turn on tune in and drop out 02:15:24.460 --> 02:15:29.820 So they so they they were very influential because I mean, I don't know about you Cynthia when I was 02:15:30.420 --> 02:15:36.900 When I was a sort of young when I was being intellectually formed, let's say by by the culture and by wide reading 02:15:37.380 --> 02:15:40.420 But but wide reading of books which had already been 02:15:41.040 --> 02:15:41.480 um 02:15:41.480 --> 02:15:45.360 Were being promoted by their system not not outside of books 02:15:45.940 --> 02:15:46.960 I sort of 02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:49.080 was given the impression that 02:15:50.200 --> 02:15:52.300 That the sixth is was this sort of 02:15:52.880 --> 02:15:57.340 The peace and love and everything was organic. It was just sprung from this natural 02:15:58.040 --> 02:16:03.260 Expression of the desires of youth and stuff, but it wasn't it was all top down. Wasn't it? It was all 02:16:03.260 --> 02:16:04.100 invented 02:16:04.840 --> 02:16:07.220 and then kind of 02:16:08.820 --> 02:16:09.380 Facility 02:16:11.480 --> 02:16:16.780 Yeah, it's an unfortunate and you know like before the hippie generation you had the the lost generation, right? 02:16:16.860 --> 02:16:24.940 Which was Huxley's generation after the the first world war and they're they were also a kind of like, you know young people who 02:16:25.600 --> 02:16:30.260 kind of like dropped out as well of of life because it was like 02:16:30.260 --> 02:16:38.160 The existentialism was like, what's the point if everything is, you know as as corrupt as uh, 02:16:38.160 --> 02:16:41.740 We have viewed it after the atrocities of the first world war 02:16:42.400 --> 02:16:48.820 Um, and I think that that was a kind of prequel to what would later be the hippie movement and eldest Huxley, you know 02:16:48.820 --> 02:16:53.540 Wrote the doors of perception, which was hugely influential in 02:16:54.380 --> 02:16:59.580 The the counterculture movement again. It's called counterculture. It's very much 02:17:00.240 --> 02:17:07.380 Theodora adorno frankfort school concept of like you need to wage war on on the the classical 02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:09.200 uh 02:17:09.680 --> 02:17:11.340 ideas of art and literature 02:17:12.000 --> 02:17:15.860 Interestingly, you know, and like you they're they're talking about 02:17:15.860 --> 02:17:22.680 Uh, Mao a lot in this and it is interesting to note that the chinese were also going through 02:17:23.340 --> 02:17:24.960 the cultural revolution 02:17:25.500 --> 02:17:27.280 during this time and they were also 02:17:27.980 --> 02:17:32.000 I think it's it's it's complicated and it wasn't so black and white 02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:35.260 but there was definitely an attack on the traditional 02:17:36.000 --> 02:17:37.180 aspects and 02:17:38.500 --> 02:17:40.200 Confucianism was was also 02:17:40.740 --> 02:17:48.700 being attacked. Um, you know during this period there there was oddly, uh, um, a kind of 02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:49.960 a 02:17:50.640 --> 02:17:57.860 Syncretization that was happening at the same time there and and you see that actually joseph need him and russell 02:17:57.860 --> 02:17:59.340 did have influence 02:18:00.040 --> 02:18:06.720 in china and joseph need him is still like really respected by a lot of I think, um 02:18:06.720 --> 02:18:10.460 Chinese intellectuals unfortunately, but um 02:18:11.060 --> 02:18:16.500 That's also interesting that there there was that I think that that's not a coincidence that they were happening 02:18:16.500 --> 02:18:22.160 Both at the same time and one of the the openings to the end of the cultural revolution was actually, um 02:18:23.440 --> 02:18:24.780 I forgot his name 02:18:25.360 --> 02:18:26.080 surprise surprise 02:18:26.660 --> 02:18:30.960 Lynn Lynn den or something like that, but he was um, he's a maestro 02:18:31.600 --> 02:18:38.060 And it had been forbidden to play music like Beethoven and stuff in china and he he actually opened up with like and it's beautiful 02:18:38.060 --> 02:18:42.700 There are pictures of like a huge audience where they again played like Beethoven's oh to joy 02:18:42.700 --> 02:18:46.620 And it was kind of also an announcement that the cultural revolution was over 02:18:46.620 --> 02:18:51.580 Um in china and you know the the the classical music 02:18:52.320 --> 02:18:59.340 Came back very quickly as you said, you know, like most chinese kids learn how to play a classical instrument and classical music now 02:18:59.340 --> 02:19:03.260 And confucianism is also like now very much prominent 02:19:03.960 --> 02:19:09.300 Um in the culture today, but very interesting that they also went through this kind of 02:19:09.300 --> 02:19:11.120 clearly, um 02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:12.620 controlled shock 02:19:13.140 --> 02:19:19.740 To the population during the same time that it was but oddly it was done in a very, um 02:19:21.220 --> 02:19:21.820 Um 02:19:22.700 --> 02:19:27.400 That it was obviously done in a more heavy-handed way and there was more of an idea of 02:19:27.400 --> 02:19:31.800 Liberation I think all around in the in the west 02:19:31.800 --> 02:19:39.280 But for I think the youth in china, they thought that this was liberation. What was what was happening as well 02:19:41.200 --> 02:19:48.060 Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, isn't it that that some people have this view that um 02:19:49.680 --> 02:19:54.120 Somehow russia and russia and china are different or the bricks nations are somehow 02:19:54.760 --> 02:19:59.300 Freed from this this control system or the or the different entities which which 02:20:00.040 --> 02:20:00.540 um 02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:04.280 Whose values may yet prevail against this 02:20:05.100 --> 02:20:05.860 the evil 02:20:06.440 --> 02:20:12.240 Western blob, but they're at the highest levels. They're all the the same people who started the 02:20:12.780 --> 02:20:18.240 the soviet revolution the bolshevik revolution basically got Mao into power that 02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:21.000 They're all connected aren't they at the highest levels 02:20:22.540 --> 02:20:25.440 Well, the at least, you know, uh, putin 02:20:25.700 --> 02:20:32.980 I mean, first of all, I would like to I guess make the discount that the chinese civilization is extremely old 02:20:33.640 --> 02:20:34.000 and 02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:39.280 And that's why it'll be interesting too for matt to talk about the kazaar and history 02:20:39.960 --> 02:20:41.300 Because there was this odd 02:20:42.820 --> 02:20:49.520 Cooperation that was happening during this time between the confucian chinese the the muslims 02:20:49.520 --> 02:20:51.960 And and the jews in 02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:59.280 Having something that seemed to actually really work in terms of a positive ecumenicism or like syria 02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:04.500 For instance was unfortunately, you know syria has gone through a lot of brutality 02:21:04.500 --> 02:21:13.340 But it was one of like the cradles of civilization and had a real mixture of of religions and it seems to have had a positive 02:21:14.040 --> 02:21:15.460 Has been a positive center 02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:21.840 Um that really shows that you can have like a dialogue of cultures a dialogue of of of religions 02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:23.000 But 02:21:23.700 --> 02:21:30.400 You know the chinese civilization is is very old. So in terms of its role in the mystery cult stuff 02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:32.960 I have not been able to 02:21:33.460 --> 02:21:36.380 To connect that and I think that there are a lot of 02:21:36.380 --> 02:21:41.800 Just like there are positive things in the west. I think that christianity was a positive 02:21:41.800 --> 02:21:45.000 There are a lot of positive players and it is a positive 02:21:46.080 --> 02:21:47.240 Thing that has occurred 02:21:48.100 --> 02:21:50.920 Phenomenally speaking there was also positive things 02:21:51.680 --> 02:21:53.180 civilizationally in in china 02:21:53.180 --> 02:21:56.480 But in the 20th century 19th century 02:21:56.960 --> 02:21:58.820 There was a lot of 02:21:59.860 --> 02:22:01.140 Common infiltration 02:22:01.740 --> 02:22:06.020 Yes, that was happening in russia in china and in the west 02:22:06.400 --> 02:22:11.440 And I do I am of the opinion that the communist revolutions were 02:22:12.180 --> 02:22:12.760 um 02:22:13.560 --> 02:22:13.900 Like 02:22:15.220 --> 02:22:21.640 Not as organic as were said that they were and that there was a lot of 02:22:22.200 --> 02:22:26.560 Foreign influence actually in bringing this about and putin has actually said this 02:22:26.560 --> 02:22:31.420 publicly that he he did he he does not think that the bolshevik revolution was 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:33.420 You know 02:22:34.160 --> 02:22:38.760 An organic thing that occurred and nor does he think that it was positive 02:22:38.760 --> 02:22:41.220 Now how much he thinks about 02:22:41.220 --> 02:22:48.400 The idea of of wanting to return to a zardom of russia. I don't know but 02:22:49.160 --> 02:22:50.720 All to say is that 02:22:51.880 --> 02:22:59.900 I do still think that there is some disagreement as even there are within these institutes as we're bringing up in terms of like 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:06.800 Economic development like the states. I think that there were real things that were happening in terms of economic sovereignty 02:23:07.400 --> 02:23:11.940 Um that really did clearly increase the standard of living of people increased 02:23:12.720 --> 02:23:21.200 Um, you know the prosperity of of of a people and there was a richness in in ideas for the good 02:23:21.840 --> 02:23:22.420 um 02:23:23.400 --> 02:23:27.860 So I don't think of everything as just being uh bad. However 02:23:28.900 --> 02:23:34.420 Right now in this moment. It's it's um, it's it's very confusing 02:23:35.300 --> 02:23:37.780 at this point, you know like to even 02:23:38.880 --> 02:23:42.000 The the strategy of trump right now 02:23:43.140 --> 02:23:52.300 Is is it it's not something that you can ever read literally and even the the people who follow trump know that you can't 02:23:53.080 --> 02:24:00.400 You can't receive what he's saying in a literal way, which to me is is very problematic and I understand 02:24:01.400 --> 02:24:06.700 You know the concept of like if you want to drain the swamp and you want to you know address corruption 02:24:06.700 --> 02:24:10.860 You can't you can't say every you can't announce everything you're about to do 02:24:10.860 --> 02:24:15.600 But it it's kind of reaching a ridiculous stage at this point 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:20.380 Um in terms of like just be consistent in what you're asking for 02:24:20.380 --> 02:24:22.860 Especially on just like the economic front 02:24:23.360 --> 02:24:31.720 Right and and like his his Davos speech recently and and just saying that like there's all of these accomplishments that were made in the last year 02:24:32.260 --> 02:24:33.100 which are clearly 02:24:33.900 --> 02:24:38.220 that's not being really uh honest and 02:24:38.840 --> 02:24:44.780 uh, you know the fact that they're now like producing more energy than china in just one year, which is like 02:24:44.780 --> 02:24:48.800 physically impossible for you to you know backtrack 02:24:48.800 --> 02:24:52.380 50 years of deindustrialization in in one year 02:24:52.860 --> 02:24:54.600 50 plus years actually 02:24:55.180 --> 02:24:55.840 um 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:56.720 and 02:24:57.680 --> 02:25:00.200 This whole thing of like talking 02:25:01.170 --> 02:25:06.140 To two opposite meanings at the same time, especially when you're talking about the economy 02:25:06.880 --> 02:25:08.920 You have to start 02:25:09.550 --> 02:25:13.720 You know calling bullshit on this and say like you need to start talking 02:25:14.440 --> 02:25:17.300 um more honestly and and 02:25:18.060 --> 02:25:19.260 It's the 02:25:19.260 --> 02:25:22.140 The the there is something weird going on 02:25:22.140 --> 02:25:28.700 I agree where it's not clear like where other countries are even fitting into the weird trump 02:25:29.160 --> 02:25:30.460 alternate universe 02:25:31.420 --> 02:25:38.360 Construct so I mean they're very good. They're very good. They've they've clearly switched things up so that you can't do 02:25:38.360 --> 02:25:45.340 The kind of geopolitical analysis like the the approach and and the understanding to geopolitics 02:25:45.340 --> 02:25:46.680 You cannot apply it 02:25:46.680 --> 02:25:55.920 To how things are now because of the whole weirdness trump even says, you know, he he uses the world wrestling foundation as his 02:25:56.300 --> 02:25:57.640 as his model 02:25:58.220 --> 02:25:59.080 for which 02:25:59.580 --> 02:26:02.640 What is the world wrestling foundation? It's about, you know 02:26:03.640 --> 02:26:05.160 fakery someone can 02:26:06.080 --> 02:26:11.440 Well, and also it's like a villain like you're the good guys pitted against the villain 02:26:11.440 --> 02:26:12.760 But at any moment now 02:26:12.760 --> 02:26:19.960 The good guy can side with the villain become a villain or the the villain can side with the good guy and become the good guy 02:26:20.580 --> 02:26:24.320 Yeah, like it's it can just switch at any moment and 02:26:24.900 --> 02:26:25.420 forth 02:26:26.460 --> 02:26:29.660 If Cynthia you are correct that the aim 02:26:30.240 --> 02:26:34.300 The ultimate aim of these people is to recreate imperial realm 02:26:35.440 --> 02:26:37.680 Then it has got to be a good thing 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:38.960 that 02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:42.780 Within a few months years at most 02:26:43.580 --> 02:26:44.960 We are going to see 02:26:45.820 --> 02:26:46.940 Mark Carney 02:26:47.940 --> 02:26:48.500 and 02:26:49.080 --> 02:26:51.200 President Bieber as I call him Justin 02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:53.560 Justin Castro 02:26:54.240 --> 02:26:54.800 being 02:26:55.620 --> 02:26:58.340 paraded through the streets of dc 02:26:59.040 --> 02:26:59.900 in chains 02:27:00.720 --> 02:27:01.700 and then 02:27:02.740 --> 02:27:07.800 I don't know what happened so they they didn't get chucked off the tapio and rock do they do they get fed to the lions 02:27:07.800 --> 02:27:09.060 something it's 02:27:10.060 --> 02:27:12.000 It doesn't end happily for them 02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:16.180 And you've got to admit there's the the well you you you repeatedly said in this podcast 02:27:16.180 --> 02:27:20.240 There's an upside there's there are always moments where things turn out right 02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:24.440 And amid the misery. I think a lot of people will be cheered by that moment 02:27:25.140 --> 02:27:27.920 In Canada especially but across the world 02:27:28.660 --> 02:27:29.220 Oh 02:27:29.900 --> 02:27:33.020 Canadians have no idea what Mark Carney has actually 02:27:33.720 --> 02:27:38.960 Done as his as his legacy and a lot of Canadians just like him because they don't like Trump 02:27:39.660 --> 02:27:42.640 Um, and you know, Trump obviously didn't become 02:27:43.340 --> 02:27:47.900 More popular after he announced crazy tariffs on on canada 02:27:48.540 --> 02:27:54.580 Canadian steel and things like this which were already being given, you know sold to the states for very good prices, but 02:27:55.180 --> 02:28:01.600 Um, I know Mark Carney has really done a number on uh on the uk as well. Yes. Yeah, he's had a 02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:06.280 Terrific legacy. Thank you. Thank you, Cynthia for sending him over over to us 02:28:07.340 --> 02:28:11.340 We we're we're we're we're never gonna forget that, you know, what Canada did to us 02:28:13.580 --> 02:28:16.460 It's like yeah, well, yeah 02:28:18.320 --> 02:28:21.880 Anyway, well we we have king charles as our head 02:28:22.460 --> 02:28:26.020 So we're not in charge of anything we we don't really have a constitution 02:28:26.020 --> 02:28:29.960 Our prime minister can be removed anytime like they did for australia 02:28:30.520 --> 02:28:36.400 Um, if the the the head monarch of uh, of uh, britain decides so so 02:28:36.880 --> 02:28:44.780 You know at the end of the day, we're all subjects charles talking of royals in canada. Have you ever looked into the camloops thing? 02:28:48.100 --> 02:28:55.020 Weird disturbing thing that allegedly happened when queen elizabeth the second 02:28:55.980 --> 02:28:58.500 Came to canada in the 1970s 02:28:59.960 --> 02:29:03.640 In in british columbia camloops. It's dark man. It's dark 02:29:04.340 --> 02:29:06.420 um, anyway, I think 02:29:07.080 --> 02:29:14.660 Cynthia we could I could talk to you for hours because you know so much and it's fascinating and i've learned i've learned many new things 02:29:15.240 --> 02:29:20.660 Um, please tell us where we can find out more about your research is where we can read you 02:29:22.260 --> 02:29:29.580 Uh, yeah, the best place is by substack synthia chung dot substack dot com titled through glass darkly 02:29:29.580 --> 02:29:36.220 and it has uh, my I do various subjects including rising tide 02:29:36.940 --> 02:29:38.020 positive cultural 02:29:38.620 --> 02:29:40.720 Lectures, it's not just doom and gloom 02:29:40.720 --> 02:29:46.300 Um, although obviously we have to talk about that aspect because there's a lot of that going on 02:29:47.660 --> 02:29:52.000 There is there is thank you and again say to say to matt 02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:54.760 Obviously i'm still up for doing that podcast about 02:29:55.320 --> 02:30:01.600 Why the casarians are good? I don't think he's going to persuade me, but I know he'll he'll he'll fight a good fight 02:30:03.740 --> 02:30:11.080 Okay, I look forward to watching that. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be good. It'll be good. Um, and um, everyone else 02:30:11.080 --> 02:30:15.660 I hope you've enjoyed this epic podcast as much as I have. Um 02:30:16.480 --> 02:30:17.700 don't forget to 02:30:18.300 --> 02:30:25.480 Paid subs I love you all but my paid paying subscribers are my favorites because you know that without you 02:30:26.320 --> 02:30:29.280 This this podcast would not be going because this is my livelihood 02:30:29.280 --> 02:30:32.220 So thank you to those of you support me and um 02:30:32.220 --> 02:30:37.760 Those of you don't do consider. I know I know it's a crowded market, but yeah, you know, come on 02:30:37.760 --> 02:30:40.560 I mean, I'm I'm I'm way better than I mean 02:30:40.560 --> 02:30:44.380 I'm way better than the rest is made up history, for example 02:30:44.380 --> 02:30:50.080 And they get paid 90 000 a month. Well, they did two years ago. They probably get paid to double that now. Um 02:30:51.080 --> 02:30:54.400 Support my sponsors by golden silver obviously 02:30:55.080 --> 02:31:01.980 Because it's still going to go up. Um, although I'm not an expert, but I'd be you know, I'm right. Um, thank you very much again 02:31:02.700 --> 02:31:03.100 Cynthia 02:31:05.140 --> 02:31:05.920 Thank you