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And continues to. 03:20.290 --> 03:23.490 And she turned something that was incredibly difficult into something 03:23.490 --> 03:26.190 that was really quite remarkable and continues to be. 03:26.190 --> 03:30.690 So I think her bravery and courage is just something to be admired. 03:32.050 --> 03:36.510 And turns out she's wide awake and she's an absolute legend. 03:36.890 --> 03:38.710 She is an absolute and I love her. 03:39.410 --> 03:42.390 That's the beauty of, by the way, shout out to Jane Lewis. 03:43.230 --> 03:46.710 That is the beauty of what COVID has done to a lot of us is has 03:46.710 --> 03:51.030 woken us up into a whole different realm of information 03:51.550 --> 03:52.810 and what we should be doing. 03:53.130 --> 03:55.770 And yeah, it's it's a interesting time, wasn't it? 03:55.770 --> 03:56.930 Yeah. So it's really funny. 03:57.130 --> 04:01.350 So just before you, I just recorded a podcast with a guy out in Australia. 04:01.970 --> 04:06.490 Tim stand up again and it was all about male domestic abuse. 04:07.450 --> 04:10.330 And it was quite painful because I've been through that. 04:10.490 --> 04:12.430 I've been through that and it was just bringing back memories. 04:13.110 --> 04:17.570 And and I remembered how I had to change my whole social circle 04:18.090 --> 04:19.730 because I just had to. 04:20.290 --> 04:22.790 They kind of sided with her, not me. 04:22.990 --> 04:25.070 So all these friends that I thought I'd known for years 04:25.070 --> 04:29.870 that were originally my friends, not hers, you know, I just jettisoned them all. 04:30.030 --> 04:32.730 And there's a kind of like a purge. 04:33.250 --> 04:36.710 And then I think COVID happened and it kind of same thing happened again. 04:37.230 --> 04:39.630 And and then I became friends like with you. 04:39.710 --> 04:41.470 I'm not going to, you know, hide this. 04:41.610 --> 04:43.730 I'm very good friends with your mama and your dad, eight. 04:43.830 --> 04:45.070 They're lovely human beings. 04:45.690 --> 04:49.510 And I'm actually kind of glad COVID happened in that respect 04:49.510 --> 04:52.510 because I've just made so many good friends. 04:53.050 --> 04:55.990 I was having this exact conversation with my partner yesterday. 04:56.570 --> 04:58.570 COVID was genuinely one of the hardest times for me 04:58.570 --> 05:01.530 because I lost all of my childhood friends, 05:01.830 --> 05:04.870 people that I'd spent the whole of my high school with, 05:05.130 --> 05:06.830 which at the time seems really, really important. 05:07.570 --> 05:09.650 But then when you come away from it, you're like, wow, 05:09.730 --> 05:11.690 that they're not the people that I'm aligned with. 05:11.810 --> 05:14.630 But going through that process is really quite challenging. 05:14.890 --> 05:16.250 You feel very alone. 05:16.610 --> 05:18.490 The whole point is to divide and conquer. 05:18.490 --> 05:24.690 And it pushed people to the hardest limits of their morals. 05:25.110 --> 05:26.590 And I lost so many people. 05:27.230 --> 05:29.070 And through that, though, 05:29.290 --> 05:32.810 I've engaged with people that are completely aligned with me. 05:33.110 --> 05:36.550 And that is the best thing that could have ever come out of it. 05:36.610 --> 05:40.430 I've made so many new people, met new friends, 05:40.970 --> 05:44.370 my morals and what I'm really passionate about 05:44.370 --> 05:47.090 has completely changed all because of one thing that was utterly 05:48.050 --> 05:49.230 horrendous and the biggest challenge. 05:49.510 --> 05:51.070 But I think I've succeeded in the challenge. 05:51.430 --> 05:53.090 Yeah, well, I mean, and then, like, honestly, 05:53.250 --> 05:55.970 like, if you could go back in time, you had ultimate power and control 05:56.450 --> 05:58.550 and you could stop COVID from ever happening 05:58.550 --> 06:01.310 and you could just have your old life the way it was. 06:01.770 --> 06:03.510 Would you choose that? Absolutely not. 06:03.830 --> 06:04.710 Isn't that insane? Yeah. 06:05.330 --> 06:09.350 And I get a real buzz now out of helping other people 06:09.350 --> 06:12.090 that you see people that are just tinkering on that path of like, 06:12.150 --> 06:14.550 oh, this is really interesting or have you thought about this 06:14.550 --> 06:16.530 or they're just starting to go down different rabbit holes? 06:16.530 --> 06:18.450 Some of which I'm like, stay out of them. 06:18.590 --> 06:21.950 It's not worth going down them, but it's really liberating. 06:22.170 --> 06:26.310 And you feel like part of a really great community of people 06:26.790 --> 06:29.530 that have this knowledge and actually you're not the only one that's going mental. 06:30.550 --> 06:31.850 Yeah, 100 percent. 06:32.510 --> 06:37.130 And just completely randomly, I was thinking about your dad this morning. 06:37.610 --> 06:38.870 So I'm making breakfast. 06:39.250 --> 06:41.990 My playlist is playing and the song comes up. 06:42.230 --> 06:46.370 And I really wish I knew who who wrote the song and who the singer is. 06:46.530 --> 06:49.110 But I don't know. My friend, Marianne, sent it to me and it's anonymous. 06:49.570 --> 06:52.410 But it's about poppies and remembrance day 06:52.410 --> 06:57.730 and how we send our kids off to fight wars that are for bankers 06:57.730 --> 06:59.810 and the crown and infantry. 07:00.230 --> 07:03.090 These are infants of the state that we're sending off to be slaughtered. 07:03.150 --> 07:03.990 It's a beautiful song. 07:04.070 --> 07:05.170 It made me cry so many times. 07:05.310 --> 07:07.130 And I listen to it all the time. 07:07.610 --> 07:10.550 And I remember your your mama Jane saying to me, oh, 07:10.630 --> 07:12.050 AIDS crying, listening to this. 07:12.110 --> 07:15.610 And I love that about him because real men cry. 07:16.450 --> 07:19.610 Strong, real, good, decent men cry. 07:19.750 --> 07:20.910 It's passion, isn't it? 07:21.230 --> 07:22.710 That's what creates the tears. 07:22.910 --> 07:26.050 It's the passion that that is within us. 07:26.110 --> 07:27.630 And it's the worry of the future. 07:27.850 --> 07:31.030 Like my dad sheds a lot of tears about the worry for my daughter, 07:31.270 --> 07:33.670 his granddaughter and what that looks like for her. 07:33.770 --> 07:37.250 That's where tears come from is is passion or pain, isn't it? 07:37.430 --> 07:39.930 Yeah. Well, listen, you're going to like this. 07:40.630 --> 07:42.890 Guess what? We're homeschooling from September. 07:42.890 --> 07:44.930 That is incredible. 07:46.210 --> 07:48.230 So I started homeschooling in December. 07:48.750 --> 07:49.150 How is it going? 07:50.190 --> 07:50.710 Really good. 07:52.570 --> 07:54.710 It's absolutely not what I expected it to be. 07:54.850 --> 07:56.630 So I expected to be quite rigid and actually 07:56.630 --> 07:59.750 or I certainly got myself up all 07:59.750 --> 08:02.990 all wound up about the fact that I needed to actually like homeschool her. 08:03.110 --> 08:04.470 But I use the term home education 08:04.470 --> 08:05.410 rather than homeschooling. 08:05.510 --> 08:06.590 I think that's two different things. 08:07.690 --> 08:09.170 So she's not homeschooled. 08:09.230 --> 08:12.170 She is home educated and she has already written 08:12.170 --> 08:14.550 a book that we've got published online, 08:14.690 --> 08:16.650 not for for profitable purposes, 08:16.870 --> 08:17.990 but just for kind of like family members. 08:18.170 --> 08:20.190 But to her, she's published a book since December. 08:20.390 --> 08:21.510 Yeah, since December. 08:21.830 --> 08:24.570 Yeah, she is doing art lessons. 08:24.870 --> 08:27.110 She does. So my dad does more of the schooling 08:27.110 --> 08:28.610 because he's really interested in that. 08:28.670 --> 08:30.190 So he took her to a church to the day 08:30.190 --> 08:33.670 and taught her how to measure the centre of the spire 08:33.670 --> 08:36.950 from the inside by using different equations, 08:37.890 --> 08:40.090 which is so incredibly intelligent, 08:40.090 --> 08:42.390 but not something that I would I would be able to do. 08:42.670 --> 08:46.230 But for me, home educating is helping her discover her passions 08:46.830 --> 08:48.470 and then increasing them. 08:48.790 --> 08:51.310 So pulling all of my power and my energy into something. 08:52.170 --> 08:52.990 When children go to school, 08:53.190 --> 08:54.950 how can you expect them to know what they want to do 08:54.950 --> 08:58.050 for the rest of their life from the age of 10 or 11? 08:58.670 --> 09:00.930 It just doesn't happen because already now when she's going to be 09:00.930 --> 09:03.090 go or she would have been going into secondary school in September, 09:03.570 --> 09:07.290 she was expected to know what her future may have looked like 09:07.290 --> 09:10.050 or an aspect of before she then chooses her GCSEs. 09:10.050 --> 09:10.710 And then her A levels. 09:11.290 --> 09:14.450 Now, I'm 35 and I only really know what I want to do now 09:14.450 --> 09:16.270 or within the last couple of years. 09:17.190 --> 09:20.950 To me, the schooling system is so unbelievably corrupt 09:21.490 --> 09:23.630 that it was the best decision that I ever made. 09:23.690 --> 09:24.490 And she's so much happier. 09:24.710 --> 09:27.150 She's gone through a process of unschooling 09:27.150 --> 09:30.130 where she's just kind of been outdoors in nature 09:30.130 --> 09:31.370 or she's gone for walks. 09:31.510 --> 09:34.690 And when you start picking up on the small things that they're learning, 09:35.010 --> 09:37.550 you think, oh, my God, this is exactly what education should be like. 09:37.550 --> 09:40.310 She's learning to cook and how to to fend for herself. 09:40.470 --> 09:41.690 She's learning how to build fires. 09:41.910 --> 09:44.090 So she likes the fire every morning in our house. 09:44.170 --> 09:46.430 She has to do some chores around the house. 09:46.750 --> 09:49.090 She goes out and takes pictures of photography 09:49.090 --> 09:51.190 because she absolutely loves photography at the minute. 09:51.390 --> 09:52.950 She follows me around with my business 09:52.950 --> 09:55.350 and helps me understand how business works. 09:55.610 --> 09:58.190 You don't get those opportunities in school. 09:59.250 --> 10:01.310 And quite often people will say, 10:01.370 --> 10:02.890 and you might come up against this, 10:02.950 --> 10:04.770 but what about the social aspect of school? 10:04.890 --> 10:06.610 That was like the number one thing 10:06.610 --> 10:09.070 that people would say to me is, well, she's never going to socialise. 10:09.430 --> 10:12.190 She has had far more social interactions 10:12.190 --> 10:17.650 between December and now than she's ever had in her school life ever. 10:18.270 --> 10:22.230 She, when I go to different business meetings or market traders, 10:22.370 --> 10:24.790 she comes with me, she talks to all the other traders there. 10:24.910 --> 10:25.730 She talks to customers. 10:26.730 --> 10:29.970 She speaks to people in the post office about delivery times, 10:29.990 --> 10:31.970 which might seem minor, but from an 11 year old 10:31.970 --> 10:35.050 to take herself off and to have those conversations with adults, 10:35.450 --> 10:37.150 she would never get in a school environment. 10:37.590 --> 10:42.510 And as adults, we don't sit in one room for six hours a day 10:42.510 --> 10:45.910 with the same people of the same age doing different topics. 10:46.210 --> 10:48.490 It just, yeah, now that I'm out of it, 10:49.110 --> 10:51.990 it feels so bizarre that I ever sent her. 10:52.410 --> 10:56.330 Listen, like everything, it was a case of convincing my wife. 10:57.170 --> 10:58.890 And the funny thing is 10:59.530 --> 11:04.450 the closer you are to someone, the less likely they are to listen to you. 11:04.450 --> 11:05.210 Yeah, of course. 11:05.890 --> 11:07.250 I'm going to call it the Malik's Law. 11:07.770 --> 11:10.590 And the further and more distant someone is from you, 11:10.690 --> 11:13.310 like on TV or the internet, 11:13.690 --> 11:16.930 the more believable and trusted that source seems to be. 11:17.450 --> 11:20.350 And that was one of the things that drove me nuts during COVID. 11:20.610 --> 11:22.250 I'm like, I'm your husband. I love you. 11:22.470 --> 11:23.430 Like, I'm intelligent. 11:23.730 --> 11:27.010 I care about you more than any fracking Chris Whitty, 11:27.270 --> 11:31.290 Boris Johnson or Ian Vallance or Fouchier Gateswood. 11:31.730 --> 11:32.830 I care about you. 11:32.830 --> 11:34.590 Like, why don't you listen to me? 11:34.990 --> 11:36.530 And it's like, it's because of proximity. 11:36.850 --> 11:39.450 It's a proximity law. I'm too close to her. 11:39.790 --> 11:42.490 So people who think, oh, my God, you know, the message me all the time. 11:42.550 --> 11:44.610 I go, oh, my God, you've helped me so much. 11:44.730 --> 11:47.710 You've helped me wake up my wife or you've helped me wake up my boyfriend 11:47.710 --> 11:51.010 or my children, you know, are now talking to me now. 11:51.110 --> 11:53.610 I sent them a podcast and they've like listened to you and it's woken them up. 11:53.930 --> 11:54.850 And you're amazing. 11:55.210 --> 11:58.470 And I'm like, yeah, but that's because of the distance thing. 11:58.670 --> 11:59.590 Because I'm far away. 11:59.730 --> 12:02.070 I'm this I'm this dude on a video on a TV 12:02.070 --> 12:03.930 and you, you know, you think, all right, great. 12:04.070 --> 12:05.430 I'm going to believe that trusted voice. 12:05.790 --> 12:07.490 But the closer you are, the harder. 12:07.630 --> 12:09.530 And when I was talking about homeschooling, I was like, ah, 12:10.050 --> 12:14.490 and then what I did was I took her to someone locally who is homeschooling. 12:14.730 --> 12:16.410 And honestly, it was insane. 12:16.550 --> 12:21.630 Just one hour listening over a cup of tea and biscuits to this lady. 12:22.110 --> 12:24.170 She walked out and went, let's do it. 12:24.370 --> 12:28.250 And I'm like, I'm like, I just spent 18 months trying to explain. 12:28.430 --> 12:29.750 And this lady just didn't want to. 12:29.750 --> 12:31.170 And again, it's a proximity rule. 12:31.170 --> 12:33.130 You just sometimes you have to distance yourself. 12:33.410 --> 12:34.910 And I'm telling this really for the audience, 12:34.970 --> 12:37.530 because like if you're struggling with your partner and want to get something, 12:37.970 --> 12:40.870 maybe you just need to realize it's not you. 12:41.430 --> 12:43.090 It's just the fact you're just too close to them. 12:43.290 --> 12:45.410 But my parents were the same when they were trying to 12:46.010 --> 12:48.650 wake me up going through the whole, you know, Covid thing. 12:49.350 --> 12:52.290 I was absolutely aware that something wasn't right 12:52.290 --> 12:53.890 and I didn't wear masks. 12:54.030 --> 12:54.790 I wasn't interested. 12:55.170 --> 12:56.230 I actually went round. 12:56.350 --> 12:57.190 So it was quite interesting. 12:57.370 --> 12:59.950 Mum and dad didn't want me in their garden to begin with considering 12:59.950 --> 13:02.870 how awake they are now when I first went round, 13:02.870 --> 13:06.070 when you could only kind of stay out for an hour or whatever the rules were. 13:06.330 --> 13:07.830 Mum was like, you can't be here. 13:08.130 --> 13:10.190 You're like, people will tell on us, you're against the rules. 13:10.510 --> 13:12.350 And I was like, mum, this is crazy. 13:12.630 --> 13:13.450 Like, listen to yourself. 13:13.930 --> 13:16.990 But then the more she then kind of went down 13:16.990 --> 13:19.070 at rabbit holes at like 100 miles an hour 13:19.790 --> 13:21.230 overtook everybody in her path. 13:22.170 --> 13:23.050 She's got a PhD in it. 13:23.110 --> 13:23.950 Yeah, it's insane. 13:24.430 --> 13:28.270 She she was then telling she was then like saying to me 13:28.270 --> 13:29.690 all these different things. 13:29.910 --> 13:33.010 And I was like, no, mum, you're like, you're crazy. 13:33.190 --> 13:34.170 This is this isn't right. 13:34.470 --> 13:36.510 And I couldn't believe her for a long time, 13:36.530 --> 13:39.070 mainly because I didn't want to like it seemed so 13:40.270 --> 13:41.810 farfetched and awful what was happening 13:41.810 --> 13:43.670 that you almost don't want to believe it. 13:44.310 --> 13:46.390 But then when somebody else started talking to me 13:46.390 --> 13:48.330 and then I made different circle of friends and I was like, 13:48.390 --> 13:49.450 oh, actually, this is interesting. 13:49.710 --> 13:50.870 Maybe she has got something. 13:50.950 --> 13:51.810 But again, it's proximity. 13:52.070 --> 13:52.830 She was too close to me. 13:52.890 --> 13:55.390 I didn't want to hear it until other people said it. 13:55.430 --> 13:57.490 And then I'm like, OK, maybe she's saying 13:57.490 --> 13:58.550 some some kind of truth. 13:58.650 --> 13:59.790 Maybe I should listen to her. 13:59.870 --> 14:00.550 Yeah, exactly. 14:00.910 --> 14:03.410 So the thing is with the home education 14:03.410 --> 14:05.610 because I'm similar to I don't want to school anybody. 14:05.850 --> 14:06.530 I want to educate. 14:07.270 --> 14:09.010 We've done a few trial runs. 14:09.230 --> 14:12.150 And the truth is I've been home educating them already, right? 14:12.210 --> 14:13.790 So when they come home from school, what do you think I do? 14:14.090 --> 14:15.390 Do you think I just sit in front of my laptop 14:15.390 --> 14:16.750 and watch TV and drink a beer? 14:17.030 --> 14:19.010 No, I'm talking to them educating 14:19.010 --> 14:21.150 and breaking down all that indoctrination and bullshit 14:21.150 --> 14:22.330 that have been told already. 14:22.770 --> 14:25.050 So I'm kind of like a debtor already. 14:25.090 --> 14:27.030 And what we did is we did a few trials. 14:27.030 --> 14:27.890 I can have term. 14:28.650 --> 14:30.170 So I was like, OK, folks, right? 14:30.310 --> 14:32.930 We're going to do some you're going to do some contributions 14:32.930 --> 14:33.630 in the morning. 14:33.970 --> 14:36.310 So you're going to help tidy up your bed, tidy up your room. 14:36.450 --> 14:39.470 You know, change the chicken coops and the litter and everything. 14:40.190 --> 14:41.610 Who's going to help me make breakfast? 14:41.970 --> 14:43.390 We make breakfast, get dressed. 14:43.790 --> 14:45.590 And then we said, let's let's talk about breadmaking. 14:45.710 --> 14:47.510 We're going to make bread, but let's break down bread. 14:47.630 --> 14:49.970 And I said, what is bread made of? 14:50.070 --> 14:52.750 We talked about yeast and lactic acid bacteria 14:52.750 --> 14:56.030 and what they are and what kind of, you know, 14:56.030 --> 14:59.910 cellular organisms there are and what they do in the yeast 14:59.910 --> 15:01.730 and so in the dough. 15:02.310 --> 15:03.470 And then we talked about gluten. 15:03.910 --> 15:05.070 We talked about proteins. 15:05.290 --> 15:06.690 We talked about micronutrients. 15:06.950 --> 15:10.530 We talked about the process of how it rises the bread. 15:10.770 --> 15:13.070 And it creates like my daughter says, well, the bacteria 15:13.070 --> 15:14.430 for and make the gas. 15:14.630 --> 15:15.350 And that's what makes it. 15:15.490 --> 15:16.290 And yeah, I was like, great. 15:16.530 --> 15:18.250 And then I taught them all of this stuff 15:18.250 --> 15:19.830 and they did some research. 15:19.830 --> 15:21.750 I gave them tasks and questions. 15:22.110 --> 15:23.350 And then they researched it. 15:23.410 --> 15:25.690 And then I asked them to make a little notebook, 15:25.690 --> 15:28.270 study like project and explain everything. 15:28.690 --> 15:31.230 And they drew pictures and they wrote all the science 15:31.230 --> 15:31.690 and everything. 15:31.970 --> 15:33.950 And then they showed my wife and it's beautiful. 15:34.210 --> 15:36.190 And honestly, it was like an hour and a half 15:36.190 --> 15:38.590 of complete silence while they they're bitterly researched. 15:38.850 --> 15:40.250 And they were, why don't you give them a task? 15:40.350 --> 15:41.030 They're on it. 15:41.330 --> 15:44.150 Like they weren't like, oh, we're bored. 15:44.310 --> 15:45.250 We want to go watch TV. 15:45.430 --> 15:46.170 There was none of that. 15:46.570 --> 15:48.530 And the other thing I realized was, 15:48.530 --> 15:51.870 you don't really need to spend nine o'clock in the morning 15:51.870 --> 15:54.850 to 3 p.m. in the afternoon teaching them, 15:55.470 --> 15:57.790 learn this because that's not what's going on in school. 15:58.030 --> 15:59.790 The amount of time they actually learn in school 15:59.790 --> 16:00.510 is like an hour. 16:00.830 --> 16:02.230 They're moving between classes. 16:02.230 --> 16:03.630 They're doing different things. 16:03.710 --> 16:06.310 The teacher's spending time instructing 16:06.310 --> 16:07.850 and then they have their breaks. 16:08.310 --> 16:12.350 Like the amount of quality time of learning is very small. 16:12.750 --> 16:13.590 So you know what? 16:13.670 --> 16:15.330 You could just do two, two and a half hours 16:15.330 --> 16:17.170 in the morning, nine to 11, 30. 16:17.330 --> 16:20.090 And that's equivalent of a school day. 16:20.090 --> 16:22.570 And then you let them do what they want to do. 16:22.950 --> 16:25.310 And I think the main challenge, however, 16:25.690 --> 16:29.210 is making sure that they're not on the screens for too long 16:29.210 --> 16:32.290 and they don't end up playing computer games 16:32.290 --> 16:33.770 and all that kind of stuff. 16:34.870 --> 16:36.450 But again, it's a balance 16:36.450 --> 16:38.630 because if you become too hard and say, 16:38.650 --> 16:40.370 look, don't do this, don't, they're gonna rebel. 16:40.530 --> 16:41.470 They're gonna go behind your back. 16:41.910 --> 16:43.490 So I just warned them about the dangers. 16:43.590 --> 16:44.590 And I warned them that actually, 16:44.670 --> 16:46.770 their dad once used to be addicted to computer games 16:46.770 --> 16:48.030 and what damage it did to them. 16:48.030 --> 16:50.750 So I'm hoping that kind of stuff, they'll learn from that. 16:51.050 --> 16:52.590 Children are intrinsic learners, 16:53.330 --> 16:56.250 but you can't ask a group of, in my opinion, 16:56.570 --> 16:58.610 30 children to complete the same tasks 16:58.610 --> 17:00.830 and the same timeframe using the same methodology. 17:01.330 --> 17:02.890 It's just not how adults work. 17:03.470 --> 17:04.670 To me, the person that says 17:04.670 --> 17:06.970 they don't think they're equipped to home educate 17:06.970 --> 17:09.090 are exactly the people that should be home educating 17:09.750 --> 17:11.310 because if you don't think you're equipped 17:11.310 --> 17:13.750 to home educating, why are you sending your child 17:13.750 --> 17:15.270 to the same place that educated you? 17:15.750 --> 17:18.450 Because if you don't feel like you're able to educate, 17:20.070 --> 17:23.170 then you're sending them to that exact same institute. 17:23.310 --> 17:24.170 I think that's really powerful. 17:24.830 --> 17:27.830 And the people that feel like they aren't able to 17:27.830 --> 17:29.450 are the ones that do it so successfully 17:29.450 --> 17:30.850 because they have the life skills. 17:30.990 --> 17:31.970 It might be that they're entrepreneurs 17:31.970 --> 17:35.150 or they're writing books or whatever it might be. 17:35.350 --> 17:36.670 They're building things in their garden. 17:37.130 --> 17:38.910 They're the ones that are gonna create the life skill. 17:39.470 --> 17:41.670 And through all of my adult life, 17:41.830 --> 17:44.250 I genuinely don't think I've used anything 17:44.250 --> 17:47.070 or maybe 10% as an absolute max 17:47.070 --> 17:48.230 of what I learned at school. 17:48.890 --> 17:50.070 You figure it out as you go. 17:50.330 --> 17:51.970 I don't think school contributes 17:51.970 --> 17:54.930 to a healthy society in any way, shape or form. 17:55.050 --> 17:58.010 Folks, I'm really excited to share this with you. 17:58.330 --> 18:00.990 I'm launching my two retreats this summer, 18:01.330 --> 18:02.510 a time to reconnect. 18:02.990 --> 18:03.910 Over the past few weeks, 18:03.990 --> 18:05.850 I've been talking about what I believe 18:05.850 --> 18:09.550 is the real pandemic, the pandemic of disconnection, 18:09.670 --> 18:13.470 not just physical, but emotional, psychological, and spiritual. 18:13.470 --> 18:17.050 So many of you have written to me telling me you feel it too, 18:17.390 --> 18:21.070 surrounded by people, but yet somehow still alone, 18:21.290 --> 18:23.770 wanting deeper conversations, more honesty, 18:23.970 --> 18:25.990 real connection with people who understand you, 18:26.310 --> 18:27.330 finding your tribe. 18:27.690 --> 18:30.290 And the truth is, many of us are searching for spaces 18:30.290 --> 18:31.970 where we can just be ourselves again, 18:32.330 --> 18:34.250 where we can speak openly, laugh freely, 18:34.470 --> 18:37.450 and not feel like we are walking on eggshells all the time. 18:37.730 --> 18:39.850 That's why my friend Kasia and I have created 18:39.850 --> 18:40.730 the connection retreat. 18:41.090 --> 18:42.730 After the success of the two retreats 18:42.730 --> 18:45.190 I ran in 2025, I wanted to go a little bit deeper, 18:45.410 --> 18:47.950 create something really special that's not just a weekend away, 18:48.010 --> 18:50.210 but a genuine experience of reconnection, 18:50.350 --> 18:52.650 connection to yourself, connection to others, 18:52.850 --> 18:55.130 connection to nature, connection to truth. 18:55.410 --> 18:57.250 Over three days, we're gonna share meals, 18:57.590 --> 18:59.770 movement, nature, conversation, play. 19:00.190 --> 19:01.230 A lot of people don't play anymore. 19:01.710 --> 19:03.670 And real time together, no masks, 19:03.870 --> 19:05.490 no performance, just presence. 19:05.890 --> 19:06.570 At the very beginning, 19:06.850 --> 19:08.790 Kasia and I made a very simple pinky promise 19:08.790 --> 19:11.210 to do this with integrity, honesty, and heart, 19:11.210 --> 19:13.130 and to create something really, truly meaningful. 19:13.730 --> 19:15.430 We'll be running the two retreats this year 19:15.430 --> 19:17.230 from the 26th to 28th of June, 19:17.370 --> 19:19.330 and from the 4th to 6th of September, 19:19.690 --> 19:22.170 and the countryside in Hertfordshire, just outside London. 19:22.570 --> 19:24.010 Gonna be small, intimate groups. 19:24.370 --> 19:26.950 If you feel the call, we would love to welcome you. 19:27.270 --> 19:30.270 You can find full details and book your place 19:30.270 --> 19:35.870 via my substack, and the website is docmalic.substack.com. 19:36.070 --> 19:37.130 Look for the newsletter. 19:37.590 --> 19:38.630 It is time to reconnect. 19:39.030 --> 19:40.330 The connection retreat is here. 19:40.330 --> 19:43.370 In about a week, the retreat will be open to all, 19:43.570 --> 19:44.930 not just my paid subscribers, 19:45.470 --> 19:47.890 and you'll be able to find the booking details 19:47.890 --> 19:49.910 at docmalic.com. 19:50.270 --> 19:52.330 Sometimes the most important thing we can do 19:52.330 --> 19:55.110 is simply come back to ourselves and to each other. 19:55.370 --> 19:56.990 Lots of love, Doc Malick. 19:57.350 --> 19:58.330 Do you wanna hear something scary? 19:58.710 --> 20:00.010 The same applies to med school. 20:00.830 --> 20:03.490 I didn't take anything more than 10% 20:03.490 --> 20:04.970 of what I learned in med school 20:04.970 --> 20:06.370 to be a doctor and surgeon. 20:06.710 --> 20:07.390 Isn't that crazy? 20:07.870 --> 20:10.510 And medical school is actually no different from schooling 20:10.510 --> 20:13.190 and it's just indoctrinating you. 20:13.270 --> 20:14.750 It's making you a good little worker bee, 20:15.170 --> 20:17.690 good little yes person, follow the rules, 20:17.830 --> 20:18.770 little rule follower. 20:19.290 --> 20:20.170 You know the way your mum was like, 20:20.250 --> 20:21.270 oh no, we can't, you know, someone, 20:21.510 --> 20:22.750 it makes you a rule follower. 20:23.050 --> 20:24.910 You wanna please your teacher, 20:25.070 --> 20:26.210 you wanna please authority, 20:26.410 --> 20:27.150 and that's what happens. 20:27.350 --> 20:29.270 And shout out to my Iranian brother 20:29.270 --> 20:30.390 from another mother, Ali, 20:30.550 --> 20:31.790 this morning in the playground. 20:32.810 --> 20:34.750 He said to me, do you know what, 20:34.910 --> 20:36.150 anything the government recommends, 20:36.150 --> 20:36.990 do the opposite. 20:37.190 --> 20:37.530 Absolutely. 20:37.790 --> 20:40.610 And is state education, this free education, 20:40.770 --> 20:42.650 when does the government give you anything for free? 20:42.850 --> 20:44.030 When is that a good thing? 20:44.470 --> 20:45.510 Vaccines, they're free. 20:45.710 --> 20:46.310 Do you wanna take them? 20:47.330 --> 20:47.850 No, thanks. 20:48.650 --> 20:49.650 Anything, I mean they, 20:49.790 --> 20:53.910 the Rockefellers said that they want a community 20:53.910 --> 20:56.830 in a country of doers and not thinkers. 20:57.270 --> 20:59.730 We are all losing the ability to think for ourselves 20:59.730 --> 21:01.130 and do things that are exciting. 21:01.690 --> 21:03.930 We can all contribute in different ways. 21:03.930 --> 21:05.990 It doesn't have to be set up in a schooling system. 21:06.430 --> 21:09.150 And you go to school and so typically people come out 21:09.150 --> 21:12.170 of it saying they want to be a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, 21:12.230 --> 21:14.030 because that's them putting back 21:14.030 --> 21:15.270 into what they've already learned. 21:15.390 --> 21:17.910 They're not being thinkers and doing things themselves. 21:18.330 --> 21:21.630 I now surround myself with like-minded business people 21:21.630 --> 21:23.590 to help project my business 21:23.590 --> 21:25.170 because I can't be around people 21:25.170 --> 21:26.550 that are so close-minded to it 21:26.550 --> 21:28.250 because there is enough knowledge, 21:28.490 --> 21:30.470 enough money out there for us all to succeed. 21:30.910 --> 21:33.190 And I don't believe the education system 21:33.190 --> 21:35.450 pushes you to think outside the box at all. 21:35.870 --> 21:39.070 My daughter is so much more confident. 21:39.410 --> 21:41.390 She's more aware of her abilities, 21:41.770 --> 21:43.670 more aware of what she can achieve 21:43.670 --> 21:46.230 since leaving the education system. 21:47.230 --> 21:51.070 And if we as adults did things that happen in school, 21:51.770 --> 21:53.930 you could sue your employers easily. 21:54.290 --> 21:55.830 So, you know, they can't put their hand up, 21:55.950 --> 21:58.650 they can't go to, sorry, they have to, 21:58.730 --> 22:00.070 they can't speak the output in their hand up. 22:00.070 --> 22:03.170 They have to ask to go to use a basic human right 22:03.170 --> 22:04.090 as going to the bathroom. 22:04.450 --> 22:06.050 They have to eat at certain times. 22:06.090 --> 22:07.510 They can't go outside if it's raining. 22:07.530 --> 22:09.590 So then they're inside for six hours a day. 22:10.230 --> 22:12.250 They can't do what they want to when they want to, 22:12.370 --> 22:14.450 i.e. if they've got a really cool idea 22:14.450 --> 22:16.410 and that takes off into a different area of the school. 22:16.610 --> 22:17.870 Well, actually, no, you can't do that 22:17.870 --> 22:20.330 because that isn't allowed in that curriculum. 22:21.030 --> 22:22.790 But if that happened in my employment, 22:23.570 --> 22:25.230 I could sue them because it's wrong. 22:25.310 --> 22:26.790 But just because it's another Tuesday in a school, 22:26.910 --> 22:27.350 it's then okay. 22:27.910 --> 22:29.790 Yeah, no, listen, I can't wait. 22:29.970 --> 22:31.390 I can't wait, I can't wait. 22:32.070 --> 22:34.270 I'm gonna be doing a little bit more research 22:34.650 --> 22:36.790 and I've got a few podcasts to listen to, 22:37.030 --> 22:38.530 one book that I wanna read. 22:39.050 --> 22:40.710 Cause, you know, I also don't wanna, 22:41.270 --> 22:42.750 I know there's this thing called unschooling 22:42.750 --> 22:43.970 where you just leave them be. 22:44.210 --> 22:44.790 I don't want that. 22:44.870 --> 22:45.910 I want a little bit of structure, 22:46.310 --> 22:47.510 a little bit of, you know, 22:47.550 --> 22:49.630 this is what we're gonna do this month, this week, 22:50.030 --> 22:51.690 you know, this term, whatever. 22:52.330 --> 22:54.510 And everybody, you know, I'm gonna set this 22:54.510 --> 22:56.110 at their own paces, but they do like 22:56.110 --> 22:58.830 to be given tasks and projects and do research. 22:59.890 --> 23:02.850 And I want, and that's kind of a person that I am as well. 23:03.010 --> 23:04.270 You know, when you walked in, you were like, 23:04.350 --> 23:05.410 oh, wow, this is a nice setup. 23:05.750 --> 23:07.630 You know, this was an amateur podcast, 23:07.870 --> 23:10.990 but I developed it like it was a professional podcast 23:10.990 --> 23:12.030 because that's just the way I am. 23:12.310 --> 23:13.930 So if I'm gonna be home educating, 23:14.150 --> 23:15.710 I wanna be the best fucking home educator. 23:15.930 --> 23:17.070 Like, you know, I wanna ace it. 23:17.210 --> 23:19.530 I want my kids to get the best out of it. 23:19.610 --> 23:22.450 And I just, it's just that's the way I am. 23:22.450 --> 23:24.550 So we're taking it up for September. 23:24.910 --> 23:26.690 And to be honest, I cannot wait. 23:27.110 --> 23:29.210 And I'm even gonna do things like, 23:29.630 --> 23:31.910 because, you know, I'm my own boss, 23:32.450 --> 23:34.690 I'm quite happy taking them away, for example, 23:34.790 --> 23:37.090 to Paris for two days and take them to all the museums 23:37.090 --> 23:38.770 and talk about art and impressionists 23:38.770 --> 23:41.130 and, you know, all the different, you know, van Gogh 23:41.130 --> 23:43.670 and whatever, just take them to Musée d'Orsay 23:43.670 --> 23:45.630 and educate them that way. 23:45.890 --> 23:48.470 Like that memory, that learning for them, 23:48.490 --> 23:51.230 I think in that day will be equivalent to like months 23:51.230 --> 23:52.610 in an art school, okay? 23:53.050 --> 23:54.270 Or take them somewhere else. 23:54.330 --> 23:55.570 And you don't always have to travel, 23:55.570 --> 23:57.190 but we could take them to Stonehenge, 23:57.450 --> 23:58.370 we could take them to Scotland, 23:59.010 --> 23:59.930 I could take them to Rome, 24:00.370 --> 24:01.970 I could take them just to the Natural History Museum. 24:02.630 --> 24:04.530 I can set tasks for them. 24:04.850 --> 24:06.790 They might help out at the local bakery, 24:07.350 --> 24:09.910 couple of hours a week, just to learn what it's like 24:09.910 --> 24:12.510 to handle money and speak to people and customers. 24:13.070 --> 24:14.290 There's so many options. 24:14.650 --> 24:16.810 The thing is, it's insane, actually. 24:16.930 --> 24:18.830 The world just totally opens up when you think, 24:18.830 --> 24:21.150 right, I'm not gonna send my kids to school anymore. 24:21.510 --> 24:23.150 And that's the biggest thing that we found. 24:23.430 --> 24:27.570 So I, within the first month of her home educating, 24:28.050 --> 24:30.690 we had, I talked to her through the application, 24:30.790 --> 24:32.950 so we're going to China tomorrow, actually. 24:33.390 --> 24:35.310 So, which is something that she would never have been 24:35.310 --> 24:38.150 able to do because it would have worked around term time, 24:38.170 --> 24:39.710 but we can go now outside of term, 24:39.730 --> 24:41.030 which is not only cheaper, 24:41.050 --> 24:43.130 but the education that she will receive 24:43.130 --> 24:45.330 by going for that experience is huge. 24:45.690 --> 24:47.170 But we had to go to the Chinese Embassy 24:47.170 --> 24:48.090 and talk about the visas 24:48.090 --> 24:50.310 and she had to help me with that application process. 24:50.830 --> 24:53.450 Whilst we were there, we then went to the National Gallery 24:53.450 --> 24:54.810 and she looked at all the artists 24:54.810 --> 24:57.890 that she was really into art, like absolutely loves it. 24:58.170 --> 25:00.210 So she was looking at all the different artists. 25:00.690 --> 25:03.170 You wouldn't have those hands-on experiences 25:03.170 --> 25:05.470 and that's just like two minor, minor things 25:05.470 --> 25:07.710 that we could just do without really thinking, 25:07.950 --> 25:10.050 which were free other than the travel to London. 25:10.450 --> 25:14.050 But then she had to understand the money exchange from that 25:14.050 --> 25:18.250 and kind of going through the back door of money 25:18.250 --> 25:19.730 and banking and all of that sort of thing 25:19.730 --> 25:21.690 that they wouldn't get in the school environment. 25:22.050 --> 25:24.390 It's actual experiences and opportunities 25:24.390 --> 25:25.870 that children don't normally get. 25:26.330 --> 25:28.290 That's what homeschooling or home educating provides. 25:28.670 --> 25:30.550 And I think people who worry about, 25:30.730 --> 25:31.690 like, but what am I going to teach them? 25:31.830 --> 25:33.690 There are so many things you can learn every single day. 25:34.050 --> 25:36.330 Like, you just, it's funny. 25:36.770 --> 25:39.790 The moment you stop consuming, you start creating. 25:40.170 --> 25:41.890 And they will provide their own education. 25:41.890 --> 25:44.930 We don't have to be their educators. 25:45.130 --> 25:47.070 We can be their facilitators to education. 25:47.870 --> 25:50.870 So Evie will decide what it is that she's interested in 25:50.870 --> 25:52.330 or what it is that she wants to do. 25:52.410 --> 25:54.870 She's really into kind of thinking of 25:54.870 --> 25:56.690 and creating different businesses at the minute 25:56.690 --> 25:58.110 because of what I'm doing. 25:59.030 --> 26:01.950 And that's inspiring to her and it encourages her. 26:02.370 --> 26:03.930 So all I then do is facilitate 26:03.930 --> 26:05.730 how to get her to that end point. 26:05.870 --> 26:08.290 So this is what I would do or have you thought about that 26:08.290 --> 26:12.030 or she wanted to do a couple of things the other week 26:12.030 --> 26:13.590 and I said, okay, we'll go off and research it. 26:13.930 --> 26:16.870 Now we don't have access to iPads or anything in the house. 26:16.930 --> 26:17.910 It's just not allowed. 26:18.230 --> 26:19.650 So she has to go into the laptop 26:19.650 --> 26:21.590 and kind of understand how that works. 26:22.430 --> 26:25.710 And for me, going back to like your comment 26:25.710 --> 26:29.070 on iPads and phones and gaming and that sort of thing. 26:29.430 --> 26:30.950 To me, that's just lazy parenting now. 26:31.070 --> 26:34.970 There's so much opportunity of children playing 26:34.970 --> 26:37.390 and exploring without being sat on the screen. 26:37.390 --> 26:38.410 Not only is it dangerous 26:38.410 --> 26:40.750 in terms of what information that they can access 26:41.250 --> 26:43.630 but it doesn't provide anything anymore. 26:44.190 --> 26:46.330 And a lot of EVs education in school 26:46.830 --> 26:48.910 was through a computer or through an iPad. 26:49.510 --> 26:51.190 It's not the environment that I wanted to be in. 26:51.350 --> 26:53.050 It's not the way that I choose to parent. 26:53.470 --> 26:55.910 It's not the way that I bring her up morally. 26:56.230 --> 26:57.710 It's not how I am as an individual. 26:58.170 --> 27:01.150 So to then send her to somebody 27:01.150 --> 27:02.030 that does do that. 27:02.450 --> 27:03.690 And they're essentially strangers. 27:03.930 --> 27:05.110 We don't know who these people are. 27:05.110 --> 27:07.590 We don't know the other children in the class 27:07.590 --> 27:08.790 that they're interacting with. 27:09.310 --> 27:11.110 Yeah, the whole thing just blows my mind. 27:11.270 --> 27:13.690 Oh, well, my daughters, I might have to start with saying, 27:14.430 --> 27:15.970 oh, my God, Daddy, everybody, 27:16.390 --> 27:18.110 like most of the people in my class 27:18.110 --> 27:20.090 are just crazy people. 27:20.490 --> 27:21.650 Like they're not normal. 27:22.250 --> 27:25.050 I was like, maybe get ready for life. 27:25.950 --> 27:28.730 Yeah, it's going to be worse as you get older. 27:29.090 --> 27:30.050 Like people are vaccinated. 27:30.470 --> 27:32.550 People are eating junk food, processed food, 27:32.730 --> 27:34.490 consuming garbage on social media. 27:34.490 --> 27:36.030 Listening to the BBC. 27:36.570 --> 27:38.390 You're going to find that in some respects, 27:38.510 --> 27:40.990 it's quite lonely because finding your own tribe, 27:41.150 --> 27:43.790 people like you, like there's not many of you. 27:44.190 --> 27:45.970 But the good thing is when you do, 27:46.510 --> 27:49.170 like those friendships and those relationships 27:49.170 --> 27:51.890 will be uncomparable. 27:52.250 --> 27:52.750 Does that make sense? 27:53.490 --> 27:54.910 So I've prepared it for that already. 27:55.070 --> 27:56.370 And she tells me, she goes like, 27:56.510 --> 27:57.870 and all of them, they all say like, 27:58.470 --> 28:02.550 and like the teacher recently for my youngest son, 28:04.090 --> 28:05.830 at parent teachers association, she goes, 28:06.030 --> 28:06.970 he's very serious. 28:07.870 --> 28:09.250 You know, he looks at the other boys 28:09.250 --> 28:12.230 and he just looks at them like, what are you doing? 28:12.430 --> 28:13.690 And I went, yeah, that is my son. 28:13.710 --> 28:14.830 Cause that's exactly what he's thinking. 28:15.050 --> 28:16.530 Like, what are you guys just doing? 28:16.650 --> 28:18.330 Like, why are you acting like federal kids? 28:18.630 --> 28:20.470 Like he's just very mature and sensible. 28:20.550 --> 28:22.630 And I just feel like now is the time to get them out 28:22.630 --> 28:24.750 because I don't want the schooling system 28:24.750 --> 28:28.350 to drum out of them their individual spark 28:28.350 --> 28:29.870 that they all still have. 28:30.210 --> 28:32.510 I want that spark to grow brighter, 28:32.690 --> 28:34.530 not to dim over time. 28:34.930 --> 28:36.490 But anyway, let's talk about your company. 28:36.690 --> 28:37.990 So you've got a full-time job, 28:38.030 --> 28:39.010 but now you've got a little hobby. 28:39.770 --> 28:44.470 Well, I actually in December went 28:44.470 --> 28:47.050 from a very corporate operational role 28:47.050 --> 28:50.110 in a large education, ironically, organization. 28:50.630 --> 28:51.890 So in early years of education, 28:52.430 --> 28:54.810 I was a regional manager 28:54.810 --> 28:58.650 and then integration manager, traveling to London a lot. 28:58.650 --> 29:00.710 Very, very corporate, loved it. 29:00.810 --> 29:02.930 I genuinely believe it's the only place 29:02.930 --> 29:04.370 where education is actually done right, 29:04.630 --> 29:05.570 is in early years, 29:05.710 --> 29:07.210 because you take the child as an individual. 29:08.110 --> 29:12.370 But last May, I was fortunate enough 29:12.370 --> 29:15.710 to meet Simon Squibb and help with my own business. 29:15.730 --> 29:17.670 So I'm really passionate about clean skincare 29:17.670 --> 29:18.490 and offering- 29:18.490 --> 29:19.170 How did that happen? 29:19.270 --> 29:20.090 How do you bump into him? 29:20.390 --> 29:22.770 So he released his location online, 29:22.870 --> 29:23.950 which is so, so rare. 29:24.110 --> 29:25.470 I've followed him for years. 29:25.690 --> 29:27.950 I genuinely think his vision of business 29:27.950 --> 29:30.370 and how he helps people is so amazing. 29:30.910 --> 29:32.370 And since meeting him a couple of times, 29:32.450 --> 29:33.330 so many people say to me, 29:33.790 --> 29:35.590 is he what he makes out on the screen? 29:35.750 --> 29:36.490 Is he that genuine? 29:37.250 --> 29:41.470 He is even more genuine off-camera than he is on camera. 29:42.170 --> 29:44.330 Nothing scripted, nothing's like, 29:45.130 --> 29:46.470 okay, so this is what I need you to say 29:46.470 --> 29:48.390 or he says a couple of things 29:48.390 --> 29:49.450 just to help with sponsorship, 29:49.450 --> 29:51.650 but it's all to benefit the person. 29:52.010 --> 29:53.850 And when you're in front of him, 29:54.090 --> 29:56.150 there's quite often a lot of people around him 29:56.150 --> 29:57.710 kind of, you know, taking photos or videos. 29:57.710 --> 29:59.950 He is so eyeballing you. 30:00.270 --> 30:01.270 He's only interested in you, 30:01.430 --> 30:02.770 not interested in anybody else around 30:02.770 --> 30:04.450 until he then moves on to the next person. 30:05.150 --> 30:06.150 Just an incredible man. 30:06.310 --> 30:08.150 I really feel like I align with him. 30:08.790 --> 30:10.370 So I, he released his location. 30:10.870 --> 30:12.390 Mum, dad, Evie and I were due to go to London. 30:12.590 --> 30:14.670 Anyway, and I was like, oh, let's just see. 30:14.870 --> 30:15.530 Like, let's just see. 30:15.690 --> 30:16.970 Walked around Leicester Square a few times, 30:17.210 --> 30:17.990 couldn't find him, 30:18.230 --> 30:19.290 was literally about to give up 30:19.290 --> 30:20.890 and Evie was like, no, one more time. 30:21.050 --> 30:21.510 Let's just try. 30:22.210 --> 30:22.910 Walked around the corner, 30:23.070 --> 30:24.090 there was a large group of people 30:24.090 --> 30:26.410 and I was like, oh, this could potentially be him. 30:26.930 --> 30:28.330 And he just came straight up to me 30:28.330 --> 30:29.190 and said, what's your dream? 30:29.270 --> 30:30.830 And then I was all a bit flustered 30:30.830 --> 30:32.370 and I was like, ah, ah, ah, ah. 30:32.470 --> 30:34.610 And said that my dream was to help people 30:34.610 --> 30:36.230 with the appearance of eczema 30:36.230 --> 30:38.250 and dry skin and give people clean 30:38.250 --> 30:39.530 and healthy-looking skin 30:39.530 --> 30:41.090 without using toxic ingredients 30:41.090 --> 30:43.750 that are pumped into our cosmetic industry. 30:44.350 --> 30:46.430 And I'd started making my own cream 30:47.210 --> 30:49.630 a good nine months before, just for myself. 30:49.850 --> 30:51.290 I've been making my own products for years, 30:51.430 --> 30:52.790 but then started to have 30:52.790 --> 30:54.370 really positive results with people. 30:54.370 --> 30:55.570 Gave it to my boyfriend 30:55.570 --> 30:57.370 who was using steroid cream on his face. 30:57.650 --> 31:00.470 His skin was sitting on his neck and his elbows. 31:00.930 --> 31:02.310 It started working for him. 31:02.490 --> 31:03.710 Gave it to more friends 31:03.710 --> 31:04.870 with their babies with eczema 31:04.870 --> 31:05.950 started working for them. 31:06.110 --> 31:06.990 And I was like, oh, hang on a minute, 31:07.070 --> 31:08.950 this could be something here. 31:09.310 --> 31:11.130 And because I was so passionate about it, 31:11.310 --> 31:14.730 that passion just continues to drive and increase. 31:15.330 --> 31:17.710 So he was very fortunate to receive 31:17.710 --> 31:19.550 £2,000 off him to help 31:19.550 --> 31:21.630 with the introduction of my business. 31:22.150 --> 31:25.070 And he doesn't check up on the money. 31:25.250 --> 31:27.130 He's kind of like, if you want it, it's there. 31:27.390 --> 31:29.410 I'm not gonna, if you choose to spend it on a holiday, 31:29.590 --> 31:30.970 then more for you type thing. 31:31.350 --> 31:34.570 And then he agreed to meet me in November last year. 31:35.250 --> 31:36.170 We did a follow-up 31:36.550 --> 31:38.210 and he kind of helped promote my business. 31:38.590 --> 31:41.110 And yeah, that's where I'm up to it with it. 31:41.330 --> 31:41.970 He's a good egg. 31:42.170 --> 31:44.190 He's an unbelievably cracking egg 31:44.190 --> 31:46.310 and he does it all for, 31:46.530 --> 31:47.790 so doesn't take any profit himself. 31:48.070 --> 31:49.410 He does it all for everybody else. 31:49.410 --> 31:53.030 Flies the world, asking people what their dream is 31:53.030 --> 31:55.450 and puts all his time and energy into it. 31:55.450 --> 31:56.390 He is a remarkable man. 31:56.830 --> 31:58.250 Okay, well, let's talk about your product. 31:58.430 --> 32:02.230 So you sent me some kindly, some very nice samples, 32:02.310 --> 32:03.830 not samples like the products. 32:05.570 --> 32:06.810 And man, it's so funny. 32:07.130 --> 32:09.490 My wife is always resistant to everything I say, 32:09.650 --> 32:11.150 but then eventually comes around. 32:11.630 --> 32:12.250 I don't know why. 32:12.790 --> 32:15.150 I don't know, all the other husbands out there. 32:15.310 --> 32:16.350 I don't know if you relate or not, 32:16.490 --> 32:17.890 but I come out with something 32:17.890 --> 32:19.830 whether it's we shouldn't drink tap water, 32:20.010 --> 32:20.870 we shouldn't vaccinate, 32:21.170 --> 32:22.210 we shouldn't have seed oils 32:22.210 --> 32:23.690 and there's always a resistance. 32:24.410 --> 32:26.490 And then I have to chip, chip away at it. 32:26.530 --> 32:27.550 And then it crumbles and it's like, 32:27.630 --> 32:28.230 yeah, that's a great idea. 32:28.610 --> 32:29.530 Of course we should do this. 32:29.650 --> 32:29.950 And it's like, 32:30.010 --> 32:32.030 do you not think that's a defense mechanism though? 32:32.210 --> 32:32.870 I just don't know. 32:33.190 --> 32:34.990 Like we've been doing something for so long 32:34.990 --> 32:37.150 to then say, oh, actually, 32:37.610 --> 32:39.410 maybe the way that I have been doing it 32:39.410 --> 32:41.190 isn't perhaps the right way 32:41.190 --> 32:43.950 or maybe there are some health negatives to that. 32:44.450 --> 32:46.230 You've then got to admit that as a person. 32:46.370 --> 32:47.250 So it makes you defensive. 32:47.250 --> 32:48.390 That's what I think it is. 32:48.450 --> 32:50.650 And I've tried to change the delivery 32:50.650 --> 32:52.890 in every possible way. 32:53.510 --> 32:55.110 Like, you know, suggesting it's their idea 32:55.110 --> 32:57.170 or like, how about we should do this 32:57.170 --> 32:58.610 or, oh, I came across this. 32:58.730 --> 32:59.390 What do you think of that? 32:59.970 --> 33:01.190 It does, it's still the wall. 33:01.770 --> 33:03.610 But then the wall starts to crumble. 33:03.970 --> 33:06.250 And one of the things, it was this, 33:06.430 --> 33:07.810 you know, your, your skincare products. 33:07.990 --> 33:10.470 I was like, I already had concerns 33:10.470 --> 33:12.610 like the amount of skincare products 33:12.610 --> 33:14.510 she was using and all the different types. 33:14.650 --> 33:16.390 And I, all the women out there, 33:16.390 --> 33:18.090 I'm just saying, I'm not anti-makeup, 33:18.590 --> 33:19.830 anti-skin care products, 33:20.010 --> 33:23.090 but I just think a lot of it is bullshit, right? 33:23.350 --> 33:27.230 The advertising industry is not just makeup. 33:27.410 --> 33:28.050 I'm talking about everything. 33:28.230 --> 33:30.830 The advertising industry is about making you feel 33:30.830 --> 33:32.510 like you have low self-worth. 33:32.730 --> 33:33.610 You're doing things wrong. 33:34.110 --> 33:35.350 You're not good enough. 33:35.870 --> 33:37.590 And if you buy their product, 33:37.590 --> 33:40.650 then you will be happier and you are better. 33:41.010 --> 33:43.050 And then people will desire what you want, 33:43.190 --> 33:45.990 what you have and you're this desirable object. 33:45.990 --> 33:47.030 And it could be a car, 33:47.330 --> 33:48.050 it could be the food you're eating, 33:48.150 --> 33:49.110 or it could be the makeup, right? 33:49.430 --> 33:52.630 That's the standard modus operandi of advertising. 33:52.870 --> 33:55.270 It really makes you feel shit until you buy their product. 33:56.070 --> 33:58.170 And with makeup, it's kind of the same. 33:58.290 --> 33:58.850 It's like, you're not pretty, 33:59.150 --> 33:59.970 you're not, you're not beautiful enough. 34:00.130 --> 34:01.410 Your hair's the wrong color, you know? 34:01.630 --> 34:02.350 You need to dye it. 34:02.410 --> 34:03.190 You need to wear lipstick. 34:03.450 --> 34:05.690 You need to have this foundation and makeup on. 34:05.830 --> 34:06.850 And then you'll be beautiful 34:06.850 --> 34:07.730 and then you'll be attractive 34:07.730 --> 34:08.970 and then you'll feel good about yourself. 34:09.050 --> 34:11.770 And I think how horrible and evil fundamentally that is, 34:11.910 --> 34:12.210 right? 34:12.610 --> 34:14.610 And women literally at the school pick up 34:14.610 --> 34:16.230 and drop-offs are wearing masks. 34:16.550 --> 34:18.230 I mean, like you can see the line, you know, 34:18.290 --> 34:21.130 where the mask is and they're normal skin color. 34:21.290 --> 34:22.590 And I just feel sad. 34:22.750 --> 34:25.410 And then, you know, I watched the women, like my wife, 34:25.830 --> 34:27.710 put on the makeup and then in the evening, 34:27.910 --> 34:30.090 strip it all off and then their skin's dry 34:30.090 --> 34:32.390 and then they have to replenish it and moisturize it. 34:32.490 --> 34:34.170 And, you know what? 34:34.170 --> 34:35.290 I just feel like, what the heck? 34:35.570 --> 34:37.530 And like, I use soap, 34:39.250 --> 34:41.890 you know, when I shower, once a day. 34:42.190 --> 34:44.030 Okay, under my armpits, around my body, 34:44.030 --> 34:45.730 quickly over my face, that's it. 34:46.410 --> 34:46.850 But you know what? 34:46.890 --> 34:48.110 I don't scrub my face. 34:48.490 --> 34:49.710 I don't do any of that. 34:49.890 --> 34:52.010 And, you know, I just put a little bit of beef tallow 34:52.010 --> 34:53.390 on my skin after I've shared 34:53.390 --> 34:55.250 because the hot water kind of dries out a little bit. 34:55.450 --> 34:56.430 It's a bit of beef tallow and that's it. 34:56.890 --> 34:59.410 And my wife is always over the last few years going, 34:59.530 --> 35:00.490 oh my God, your skin's amazing. 35:01.090 --> 35:02.290 I can't believe your skin's so amazing. 35:02.430 --> 35:03.830 Like, you're 50, your skin's amazing. 35:04.010 --> 35:04.810 You don't have spots. 35:05.470 --> 35:06.410 You have this, your skin's amazing. 35:06.890 --> 35:08.510 And then I go, yeah, you know, 35:08.570 --> 35:10.930 I don't use all these products that you're using. 35:11.090 --> 35:13.290 You know, like hyaluronic acid and retinol 35:13.290 --> 35:15.610 and retinoic this and strippers and peelers 35:15.610 --> 35:16.710 and moisturizers. 35:17.130 --> 35:19.370 Like, maybe you should just cut back a bit. 35:19.490 --> 35:20.470 And then as soon as I say that, it's like, 35:20.530 --> 35:21.850 whoa, you don't know anything, 35:21.990 --> 35:24.150 but I know what I'm talking about, like, blah, blah. 35:24.310 --> 35:26.330 And I just feel like you've just said it. 35:26.410 --> 35:27.430 Your skin's amazing. 35:27.950 --> 35:30.050 And when I tell you how simple it is, 35:30.170 --> 35:31.690 just don't put shit on it. 35:31.890 --> 35:33.650 Don't strip it away from its natural sebum. 35:33.910 --> 35:36.030 Put a bit of beef tallow and you'll get in the sunshine 35:36.030 --> 35:37.270 and you're radiant. 35:38.750 --> 35:41.910 So anyway, when I mentioned the cosmetics, 35:41.910 --> 35:43.530 I said, look, it's like medication. 35:43.750 --> 35:45.670 There's lots of stuff in there that is not good for you. 35:45.850 --> 35:47.450 There was a bit of initial resistance. 35:47.950 --> 35:53.250 And then I have to thank ChatGPT, a distant person. 35:53.890 --> 35:54.950 ChatGPT is not her husband. 35:55.410 --> 35:57.390 And I said, look, I'm gonna pop in all the ingredients 35:57.390 --> 36:01.330 of all these products and compare them to Nudum, 36:01.430 --> 36:02.290 which is your company. 36:03.270 --> 36:06.590 And ChatGPT said, Nudum is much better for all of them. 36:06.650 --> 36:08.850 And she went, oh, that's interesting. 36:09.550 --> 36:10.790 And now the wall crumble. 36:11.230 --> 36:12.170 I'm gonna try them then. 36:12.950 --> 36:14.530 And literally just a couple of days ago, 36:14.630 --> 36:15.890 I messaged you to say, by the way, 36:15.930 --> 36:19.410 my wife at the blue said, I love the Nudum products. 36:21.270 --> 36:22.450 And they're brilliant. 36:22.850 --> 36:24.370 And when I run out, can you get me some more? 36:24.790 --> 36:25.650 So there you go. 36:26.630 --> 36:27.190 Hi, everybody. 36:27.970 --> 36:29.450 Little interruption to remind you 36:29.450 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mine 38:53.150 --> 38:55.070 but that's because I formulated them 38:55.070 --> 38:57.130 to make sure that I didn't need anything else 38:57.130 --> 38:59.270 because we put so like, 38:59.370 --> 39:01.730 we wouldn't drink water that's got arsenic in it. 39:01.810 --> 39:03.330 We know that it's terrible for us. 39:03.430 --> 39:04.510 Therefore we don't drink it. 39:04.590 --> 39:05.130 We filter it. 39:05.830 --> 39:07.870 That doesn't then seem to filtrate 39:07.870 --> 39:09.690 or apply to the cosmetic industry. 39:10.130 --> 39:12.250 We walk into boots or other people choose to shop 39:12.790 --> 39:14.670 and they are bombarded 39:14.670 --> 39:16.650 with all of these look younger, 39:17.610 --> 39:20.810 airbrushed women on marketing boards. 39:21.270 --> 39:23.470 And there's a pool to look like that 39:24.070 --> 39:28.030 but then they're putting horrific chemicals on their body. 39:28.270 --> 39:33.170 So liquid paraffin and petrolatum are known carcinogens 39:33.170 --> 39:36.570 and are in a lot of our skincare ingredients 39:36.910 --> 39:38.430 but they're derived from crude oil. 39:38.890 --> 39:40.850 If somebody gave you some crude oil 39:40.850 --> 39:42.170 or gave you some petrol, 39:42.170 --> 39:44.110 did a bit of emulsifying with it 39:44.110 --> 39:45.270 and then asked you to put it on your face, 39:45.350 --> 39:46.150 you'd probably say no. 39:46.570 --> 39:48.190 But the fact that it's hidden 39:48.830 --> 39:52.210 in a very nicely labeled well marketed product 39:52.750 --> 39:53.730 seems to make it okay. 39:54.610 --> 39:57.510 And then if you look at the, particularly with cleansers, 39:57.790 --> 40:01.090 so a common comment after using a cleanser 40:01.090 --> 40:02.570 is all it makes my face really dry 40:03.090 --> 40:04.190 or feel really irritated. 40:04.710 --> 40:06.710 Well, it's got sodium lauryl sulfate in it 40:06.710 --> 40:07.770 which is the one thing 40:07.770 --> 40:09.410 that we shouldn't be putting on our body 40:09.410 --> 40:11.410 and you'll hear lots of people say. 40:11.410 --> 40:12.050 Lauryl sulfate? 40:12.070 --> 40:13.330 Lauryl sulfate, sulfate. 40:13.710 --> 40:15.770 So it's the thing that makes it really bubbly 40:16.210 --> 40:17.890 and you find it in a lot of shampoos 40:17.890 --> 40:19.530 and a lot of cleansers 40:19.530 --> 40:22.470 and a lot of color of the weight people are, 40:22.550 --> 40:24.130 it's known to take it out of their shampoo 40:24.130 --> 40:27.130 but we then don't think to take it out of our cleansers. 40:27.430 --> 40:28.710 So we're then putting it on our skin 40:28.710 --> 40:29.970 which is our largest organ 40:30.430 --> 40:32.090 and expecting our skin to be healthy 40:32.090 --> 40:34.470 yet you're putting something on it 40:34.470 --> 40:36.490 that's stripping all of the oils out of the skin 40:36.490 --> 40:39.250 making it incredibly dry, incredibly sore 40:39.250 --> 40:40.770 and then we're covering it 40:40.770 --> 40:43.130 with different ingredients like dimethicon 40:43.130 --> 40:45.390 which is a very well known ingredient 40:45.390 --> 40:46.890 in a lot of eczema 40:46.890 --> 40:49.890 and general like daily moisturizers. 40:50.410 --> 40:51.870 When you look at how that's made, 40:51.950 --> 40:55.450 it's made from heating sand and carbon together 40:55.450 --> 40:56.370 which makes it silicon. 40:57.310 --> 40:59.050 And again, we're putting that on our bodies 40:59.730 --> 41:00.490 every single day. 41:02.370 --> 41:04.990 It's not something that I wanted my daughter 41:04.990 --> 41:05.990 to grow up with. 41:06.430 --> 41:09.410 So I had a few reasons why I started Nudem 41:09.410 --> 41:13.530 but one of them was due to working in an industry 41:13.530 --> 41:15.130 where children would have 41:15.130 --> 41:16.410 about three or four different types 41:16.410 --> 41:17.570 of well known eczema creams 41:18.110 --> 41:19.850 yet their expert wasn't helping at all. 41:19.990 --> 41:21.650 And I was like, well, this is a bit strange 41:21.650 --> 41:23.350 why are they all using the same product 41:23.350 --> 41:26.570 and actually their skin is still showing signs of eczema. 41:27.070 --> 41:29.870 And then I also didn't want my daughter to grow up 41:30.450 --> 41:33.230 thinking that she had to have a 10 step skincare routine 41:33.230 --> 41:34.970 to achieve healthy skin. 41:35.250 --> 41:36.750 I don't wear a huge amount of makeup 41:36.750 --> 41:39.810 and when I do, I wear it for myself and for nobody else. 41:39.890 --> 41:40.950 I would happily leave the house 41:40.950 --> 41:43.550 and quite often leave the house without makeup on. 41:44.110 --> 41:47.330 But when I then take it off and look after my skin, 41:47.350 --> 41:49.550 I look after it like I would do any other part of my body 41:49.550 --> 41:51.150 because it's our largest organ 41:51.150 --> 41:53.410 but it seems to be really, really forgotten about. 41:53.930 --> 41:55.110 Okay, a couple of questions. 41:55.390 --> 41:56.570 I've got quite a few questions actually. 41:57.150 --> 41:59.450 So let's start with the eczema business. 41:59.950 --> 42:01.950 So eczema meant to be autoimmune. 42:02.250 --> 42:04.050 I think autoimmune, everything comes back to the gut. 42:04.250 --> 42:07.070 Gut dysbiosis, I wouldn't be surprised if vaccines 42:07.070 --> 42:08.570 have some role to play in it as well 42:08.570 --> 42:09.730 from wrecking up your gut. 42:10.510 --> 42:11.970 What is special about your cream? 42:12.090 --> 42:13.190 What is it in your cream? 42:13.190 --> 42:14.430 Do you think that's helping the eczema? 42:15.230 --> 42:17.150 Beef tallow is the main ingredient. 42:17.370 --> 42:19.670 So if you look at other eczema products, 42:19.890 --> 42:21.130 the first ingredient is water. 42:21.530 --> 42:24.450 So one, we're paying a lot of money for water 42:24.990 --> 42:26.490 and then dimethicone, like I said, 42:26.610 --> 42:29.990 is carbon and sand heated, which is silicon. 42:30.450 --> 42:32.810 Whereas my products has tallow in it, 42:32.870 --> 42:36.050 which is grass-fed 100% organic ingredients 42:36.490 --> 42:38.510 and it's rich in vitamins A, E, D and K, 42:38.670 --> 42:40.650 which really resonate with our natural skin. 42:40.970 --> 42:42.390 It then has jojoba oil, 42:42.550 --> 42:45.490 which is the closest to our natural skin sebum. 42:46.010 --> 42:48.310 So sebum is something that's made in our sebaceous glands 42:48.310 --> 42:51.810 and helps the healthy appearance of our skin 42:51.810 --> 42:52.750 as a protective layer. 42:52.930 --> 42:54.230 Isn't it antibacterial as well? 42:54.430 --> 42:56.290 Yeah, antibacterial, antioxidant, 42:56.470 --> 42:58.710 naturally occurring, very, very powerful. 42:59.210 --> 43:03.130 And then I infuse the jojoba oil and some of them- 43:03.130 --> 43:03.910 So what oil? 43:04.590 --> 43:07.170 A jojoba, it's about J-O-J-O-B-A. 43:07.370 --> 43:09.350 So it's jojoba, sometimes people say, 43:09.350 --> 43:09.950 but it's jojoba. 43:11.170 --> 43:14.230 I then infuse that in organic chamomile herbs, 43:14.430 --> 43:17.150 organic calendula herbs and organic lavender herbs. 43:17.690 --> 43:19.570 And for the naked tallow, that is it. 43:19.790 --> 43:20.630 We literally don't need it. 43:20.930 --> 43:22.990 Need anything else to have healthy skin. 43:23.670 --> 43:25.390 I then make four different products 43:25.390 --> 43:28.630 that have more specialized benefits 43:28.630 --> 43:30.830 for different ailments of the skin. 43:31.010 --> 43:31.910 So I do a calm and care, 43:32.010 --> 43:33.190 which has got collodial oats in, 43:33.810 --> 43:37.490 which is used in another very well-known extra brand. 43:37.490 --> 43:38.730 They shall not be named, 43:39.270 --> 43:42.990 but they use their process of collodial oats. 43:43.170 --> 43:43.690 It's just terrible. 43:43.970 --> 43:44.430 Colonial. 43:44.670 --> 43:45.150 Collodial. 43:45.410 --> 43:46.290 A bit like collodial silver. 43:47.510 --> 43:48.150 Collodial oats. 43:48.810 --> 43:48.970 Okay. 43:49.390 --> 43:52.930 They are very, very healing for eczema 43:52.930 --> 43:54.490 and they seep into the skin 43:54.490 --> 43:55.970 rather than just sitting on it. 43:56.310 --> 43:58.830 So, and then I do a scar and stretch, 43:59.070 --> 43:59.990 which has rosehip oil, 44:00.110 --> 44:01.890 which is very high in vitamin A, 44:02.270 --> 44:03.710 which helps skin rejuvenation, 44:03.910 --> 44:04.910 helps the appearance of skin, 44:04.910 --> 44:06.990 helps the appearance of scars. 44:07.930 --> 44:09.370 I also do Frankie and Lav 44:09.370 --> 44:12.310 and Neurolean tea tree for like acne 44:12.310 --> 44:15.710 and breakouts and that sort of thing. 44:16.470 --> 44:17.290 But the main... 44:17.290 --> 44:18.890 So it's even just normal skin, 44:19.610 --> 44:21.570 eczema and acne and scars. 44:21.890 --> 44:24.690 I mean, it's like a quite a wide range there. 44:24.790 --> 44:27.490 Basically all skin that has different ailments, 44:27.490 --> 44:30.010 but the main product is beef tallow. 44:30.490 --> 44:33.630 And it puts a lot of people off initially. 44:34.060 --> 44:36.150 So I kind of go up to it with caution, 44:36.450 --> 44:39.210 depending on if you know they're like minded or whatever. 44:39.330 --> 44:41.970 But when you start talking about the benefits of beef tallow 44:41.970 --> 44:44.310 and how close to our skin it is, 44:44.890 --> 44:45.950 surely it's a no-brainer. 44:46.230 --> 44:47.310 Why wouldn't you put that on your skin? 44:47.810 --> 44:50.010 Well, if they're vegan or vegetarian, 44:50.950 --> 44:52.030 then what do they do? 44:52.770 --> 44:55.090 Well, it depends on how desperate they are 44:55.090 --> 44:56.990 to have clean, healthy skin. 44:57.430 --> 45:00.790 I think we know that having vegan and vegetarian options, 45:01.090 --> 45:02.310 particularly food consumption, 45:02.890 --> 45:05.070 is lab-grown and is, 45:05.150 --> 45:07.670 unless they're going completely raw vegan and vegetarian 45:07.670 --> 45:09.410 and therefore not eating any alternatives. 45:09.970 --> 45:11.790 But generally speaking, it's lab-grown. 45:12.030 --> 45:14.410 Well, it's the same as cosmetics and skincare. 45:14.630 --> 45:16.610 I have a very good friend who is vegetarian 45:17.130 --> 45:19.310 and she didn't find anything that helped her skin 45:19.310 --> 45:20.490 and she uses my beef tallow. 45:20.930 --> 45:22.830 And the only thing that I would say 45:22.830 --> 45:24.230 for those that are really suffering, 45:24.590 --> 45:25.870 one, look at your diet. 45:26.090 --> 45:27.810 It might not be the best thing for you. 45:27.910 --> 45:28.450 Look at your gut. 45:28.570 --> 45:30.630 You might need to work with different clinicians, 45:31.750 --> 45:33.090 homeopaths or dietitians 45:33.090 --> 45:36.370 or others that can support you internally. 45:37.170 --> 45:38.430 But if it's going to help your skin 45:38.430 --> 45:39.610 and it's not going to harm you, 45:39.970 --> 45:40.870 then give it a go. 45:41.090 --> 45:44.130 The products I select are so carefully selected. 45:44.250 --> 45:46.050 So I have a certificate in natural medicine. 45:46.330 --> 45:48.030 I'm an international skincare coach. 45:48.250 --> 45:51.890 So I'm really particular about the products that I choose. 45:52.850 --> 45:54.690 How did you get into all this? 45:54.810 --> 45:55.850 How did you learn all this stuff, 45:56.030 --> 45:57.590 like skincare, coach and all that kind of stuff? 45:57.830 --> 45:58.910 Well, how you learn anything. 45:58.910 --> 46:01.850 I dedicated my time to want to be able to help people 46:01.850 --> 46:05.470 realise that you don't have to have toxic chemicals 46:05.470 --> 46:08.530 to achieve good skin and good skincare. 46:09.590 --> 46:12.950 And I made it my mission to not only do it from a, 46:13.190 --> 46:13.990 okay, this is my opinion, 46:13.990 --> 46:15.470 but actually have backed evidence 46:15.470 --> 46:20.150 and the International Skincare Coach Certification. 46:20.790 --> 46:23.390 Although it wasn't designed for natural medicine, 46:23.790 --> 46:24.850 throughout the whole course, 46:24.890 --> 46:26.830 they kept coming back to essential oils, 46:26.830 --> 46:28.670 natural oils and beef tallow. 46:29.430 --> 46:32.470 And that was for, yes, they talked about retinol 46:32.470 --> 46:33.510 and all of those different things 46:33.510 --> 46:35.250 that you can put on hydrochloric acid. 46:35.650 --> 46:37.850 But they said, actually, let's pull it back to 46:37.850 --> 46:39.630 your skin really only needs 46:39.630 --> 46:40.990 really simple basic ingredients. 46:41.270 --> 46:44.190 Yes, you can add in serums and cleansers as you get older 46:44.190 --> 46:45.530 because that's also really important, 46:45.530 --> 46:47.010 particularly for oily skin. 46:47.550 --> 46:49.110 But we just don't know about it. 46:49.250 --> 46:50.750 So I wanted to make it my mission 46:50.750 --> 46:53.990 to change the way that skincare is viewed, 46:53.990 --> 46:56.030 to change the fact that we've got 46:57.270 --> 46:59.410 10 steps skincare routines on TikToks 46:59.410 --> 47:03.330 where 13 year olds have got more cosmetic products 47:03.330 --> 47:05.410 than I've got in my entire house. 47:05.710 --> 47:05.910 I know. 47:06.110 --> 47:09.070 And it's not the environment that I want my daughter to be in. 47:09.190 --> 47:11.650 So it kind of became a non-negotiable for me 47:11.650 --> 47:13.250 that I had to find an alternative way. 47:13.630 --> 47:14.330 This is the thing. 47:14.690 --> 47:17.030 So children emulate their parents. 47:17.270 --> 47:20.230 I noticed my girls were starting to ask, 47:20.390 --> 47:22.390 you know, their mama, what are you using? 47:22.390 --> 47:23.690 I think, oh, can we use this? 47:23.850 --> 47:25.810 And I was like, oh, fuck me. 47:26.250 --> 47:28.290 So I was getting really quite worried. 47:28.710 --> 47:30.890 So then I'm having conversations with the girls. 47:31.010 --> 47:32.330 My girls explained to them 47:32.330 --> 47:33.630 how all these products are not great. 47:33.870 --> 47:36.030 And, you know, I said that spiel about makeup, you know, 47:36.230 --> 47:37.250 I'm not anti-makeup. 47:37.350 --> 47:39.790 But, you know, if I said anything wrong, say it, say it. 47:39.890 --> 47:41.450 But, and if you agree with me, I'd love to hear that. 47:41.550 --> 47:42.850 But, you know, I was just saying, 47:42.970 --> 47:44.490 look girls, your skin's beautiful. 47:44.650 --> 47:46.210 You don't need to disturb it. 47:46.230 --> 47:47.790 And if you've got acne or something, 47:48.230 --> 47:49.430 that's your gut telling you 47:49.430 --> 47:50.630 that it didn't like the food. 47:50.710 --> 47:51.690 It didn't like the stress. 47:51.690 --> 47:53.570 So you need to listen to your body. 47:53.630 --> 47:54.630 You don't mask it. 47:54.890 --> 47:57.710 And all these drugs and all these stripping and all, 47:57.870 --> 47:59.510 you don't need to go down this route. 47:59.890 --> 48:01.310 So, and I think I've made a difference. 48:01.490 --> 48:03.130 And now my wife has made it very clear to me 48:03.130 --> 48:05.170 that she's gonna finish the products that she's got 48:05.170 --> 48:06.830 because she doesn't like wasting stuff. 48:07.290 --> 48:08.490 Personally, I'd be happy for her 48:08.490 --> 48:09.590 to just throw it all in the bin. 48:10.010 --> 48:11.990 She's the kind of person that doesn't like wasting money. 48:12.130 --> 48:13.510 So she's like, as soon as I finish using it, 48:13.510 --> 48:14.850 I'm not ordering any more of this stuff. 48:15.450 --> 48:17.090 And I'm just gonna stick to the new doom. 48:17.210 --> 48:17.630 And it's great. 48:17.790 --> 48:20.390 And you remind me of another guest 48:20.390 --> 48:23.430 that I've had, Cheryl Taylor, who is a tricologist 48:23.430 --> 48:24.910 and is really passionate about hair. 48:25.390 --> 48:27.650 And she made her own hair products and shampoos. 48:28.130 --> 48:29.950 And again, just a few days ago, my wife was like, 48:30.010 --> 48:31.930 you know what, I think my hair is so much better now. 48:32.270 --> 48:34.550 My scalp used to be quite irritable and sensitive. 48:34.990 --> 48:35.570 And I was like, really? 48:35.730 --> 48:37.030 I mean, I've been married to her for 10 years. 48:37.150 --> 48:39.170 I never knew her scalp was sensitive and irritable. 48:39.350 --> 48:39.970 You never told me that. 48:40.310 --> 48:41.790 And then she was like, but you know what? 48:42.010 --> 48:43.170 In the last month, I was thinking, 48:43.350 --> 48:44.130 I don't have that anymore. 48:44.290 --> 48:46.190 My scalp feels great and my hair feels great. 48:46.550 --> 48:48.690 I think it's because of your friend's hair products. 48:49.050 --> 48:50.690 We need to get more of those shampoos when I'm done. 48:50.810 --> 48:51.590 I'm like, do you need any more? 48:51.670 --> 48:52.850 She went, no, no, I've got plenty right now. 48:52.890 --> 48:53.650 I was like, okay, great. 48:54.090 --> 48:56.830 So, you know, these things do work. 48:57.270 --> 49:00.130 And I think it's because people like you and Cheryl 49:00.710 --> 49:02.970 are actually genuinely passionate about what you're doing. 49:02.970 --> 49:05.970 And you don't want all this toxic crap. 49:06.310 --> 49:08.610 You know, I've got a guest coming on Eleanor, Eleanora. 49:08.990 --> 49:12.230 And she's gonna be talking about her book detoxifying, 49:12.510 --> 49:14.130 you know, from your daily life. 49:14.590 --> 49:15.870 And you know, I read the book 49:15.870 --> 49:18.450 and it's crazy the amount of toxins we're exposed to. 49:19.150 --> 49:19.930 It's insane. 49:20.290 --> 49:22.550 I think if somebody's wanting to start 49:22.550 --> 49:23.830 their low-tox living journey, 49:23.990 --> 49:26.450 so I think I live a very, very low-tox life, 49:26.870 --> 49:29.790 there are some things that I still continue to do, 49:29.890 --> 49:32.290 but it's through informed knowledge 49:32.290 --> 49:35.390 that I choose to do it, but it's so, so low. 49:35.770 --> 49:38.170 But if you're starting your low-tox journey, 49:38.790 --> 49:41.770 I think the biggest way to reduce any toxins 49:41.770 --> 49:44.650 is through your skin, because we're lathering it on. 49:44.650 --> 49:47.390 So whether that's through makeup or cosmetics, 49:48.790 --> 49:53.090 exactly clothing, so I will only wear possible natural fibres, 49:53.690 --> 49:55.290 particularly if it's just sat on my skin. 49:55.370 --> 49:57.790 So I'll always wear like a cotton t-shirt or merino wool. 49:58.050 --> 49:58.250 Same. 49:58.730 --> 49:59.850 I'm not, I don't want it. 49:59.970 --> 50:02.110 And it was just like, my daughter is, 50:02.530 --> 50:05.590 I feel so grateful to her for giving me the passion 50:05.590 --> 50:06.790 to make it better for her. 50:06.810 --> 50:08.710 Because I think if it wasn't for her, 50:09.030 --> 50:10.970 then I would still be passionate about it, 50:11.010 --> 50:12.470 but not have that like killer drive 50:12.470 --> 50:14.110 where I'm like absolutely fundamentally 50:14.610 --> 50:16.890 do not want her putting the toxic chemicals on her face 50:17.250 --> 50:18.730 or thinking that it's acceptable 50:18.730 --> 50:21.570 to have to wear four-inch thick foundation 50:21.570 --> 50:22.690 to have to leave the house 50:22.690 --> 50:25.310 or that you have to cover up what you're naturally given 50:25.310 --> 50:26.910 to then feel good about yourself. 50:27.410 --> 50:29.410 And that's when we get in the cycle of acne, 50:29.850 --> 50:32.610 because we've got sobecious pores being blocked up 50:32.610 --> 50:33.750 and that's where our sebum is. 50:33.870 --> 50:36.550 So actually, yes, whilst it absolutely comes from the gut, 50:37.110 --> 50:39.130 it's due to the amount of chemicals 50:39.130 --> 50:40.750 that we're putting on our face, obviously. 50:40.750 --> 50:44.190 If you put the same thing on your hand every single day, 50:44.410 --> 50:45.770 you would start getting a reaction to it 50:45.770 --> 50:47.110 if you're then not cleaning it properly 50:47.110 --> 50:49.170 and nourishing it effectively 50:49.170 --> 50:50.910 with clean ingredients afterwards. 50:51.490 --> 50:55.090 I don't want her to have that cycle of then feeling rubbish 50:55.090 --> 50:56.010 and her self-esteem 50:56.010 --> 50:57.850 and then having to cover up with more makeup 50:57.850 --> 50:58.950 because she's got the spots 50:58.950 --> 51:01.330 which are being given to her from the makeup. 51:02.070 --> 51:04.870 But trying to say that to a 14, 15 year old 51:05.350 --> 51:07.010 is like talking to a brick wall, I'm sure. 51:07.190 --> 51:08.630 I know when I was growing up, 51:08.690 --> 51:09.550 makeup wasn't a big thing. 51:09.550 --> 51:12.950 I was at the weekend experimenting with blue eyeshadow 51:13.450 --> 51:15.210 and that was kind of as much as it got 51:15.210 --> 51:17.990 because my parents didn't wear a lot of makeup 51:17.990 --> 51:19.990 and I was, oh, my dad, you know, 51:20.110 --> 51:22.370 occasionally he would choose to wear makeup, no joking. 51:22.910 --> 51:24.990 But it wasn't something that I was around 51:24.990 --> 51:26.570 and I'm grateful for that. 51:26.790 --> 51:28.750 And I don't want Evie to be the same. 51:28.910 --> 51:31.390 If she chooses to because she might have 51:31.390 --> 51:33.410 a bit of a confidence boost, which in itself, 51:33.850 --> 51:35.770 I feel a bit hypocritical because I don't want her to, 51:36.210 --> 51:37.310 even though I wear it myself, 51:39.090 --> 51:42.170 it's not an environment that she should be around 51:42.170 --> 51:44.030 and this whole feminism movement, 51:44.590 --> 51:46.290 I don't want her to be a part of. 51:46.490 --> 51:47.470 So what do you mean by that? 51:47.670 --> 51:49.070 And you now need to explain what that means. 51:49.310 --> 51:51.590 This feminism, because you seem like 51:51.590 --> 51:54.030 a very strong feminist role model, 51:54.630 --> 51:57.610 independent, working, creating your own business. 51:58.250 --> 51:59.030 I mean, it's all great. 51:59.530 --> 52:03.010 I think feminism is now being turned on at its head 52:03.010 --> 52:06.150 and not what I necessarily believe it to be. 52:06.150 --> 52:08.310 So I think there's feminine energy 52:08.930 --> 52:11.030 and I've got very feminine energy 52:11.030 --> 52:12.970 and actually it's only something that I've really been able 52:12.970 --> 52:17.670 to unlock since my partner enabled me to leave my job 52:17.670 --> 52:21.090 and actually do the things that typical feminists 52:21.090 --> 52:27.110 would think are wrong for women to do. 52:27.110 --> 52:28.210 What's feminine energy? 52:29.010 --> 52:32.850 To be the nurturer and to be the carer 52:32.850 --> 52:34.410 and to look after the household. 52:34.930 --> 52:35.890 So I'm quite sure. 52:36.050 --> 52:36.630 I do that. 52:37.370 --> 52:39.590 I must have a lot of feminine energy then. 52:40.110 --> 52:45.690 I think it's important to have masculine feminine energy 52:46.110 --> 52:48.070 because that's where your yin and yang comes from 52:48.610 --> 52:51.670 and I'm really lucky that my partner 52:51.670 --> 52:53.330 is masculine and provides 52:53.950 --> 52:55.030 and I can then be- 52:55.030 --> 52:55.710 I do that as well. 52:56.650 --> 52:58.110 You're multifaceted, well done. 52:58.530 --> 53:00.490 And I can then focus my energy 53:00.490 --> 53:02.150 on being a nurturing mother 53:02.150 --> 53:04.050 and provide good meals 53:04.050 --> 53:05.670 and provide a happy, healthy home 53:05.670 --> 53:08.410 and be able to play around with the ingredients 53:08.410 --> 53:12.350 that I then want to give her with good skincare. 53:12.810 --> 53:14.550 And yeah, I think that's really important 53:14.550 --> 53:17.050 to have feminine masculine energy. 53:17.690 --> 53:18.690 Okay, well, now keep going. 53:18.870 --> 53:20.350 I'm not gonna let you out, stop here. 53:20.470 --> 53:22.170 So what are your issues 53:22.170 --> 53:25.010 with the feminism movement that we've got right now? 53:25.370 --> 53:29.450 I think it's to have women out of the home 53:30.010 --> 53:31.250 not looking after their children 53:31.250 --> 53:34.590 to have more tax pay of money back into the government. 53:34.990 --> 53:36.530 So trying to split up families. 53:37.650 --> 53:39.550 Folks, if you've enjoyed this conversation, 53:39.690 --> 53:42.090 please share it with someone who needs to hear it. 53:42.550 --> 53:45.290 This podcast survives because of listeners like you. 53:45.770 --> 53:48.010 If you wanna hear the second half of this podcast 53:48.010 --> 53:50.450 then please consider becoming a paid subscriber 53:50.450 --> 53:53.190 to continue supporting independent 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