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You're welcome.
Do you know your your mama was one of my earliest guests here
when I started the podcast when it was just a hobby.
And I found her and I thought, yeah, I should be interesting.
Menopausal vaginas.
It's an interesting title.
Why not?
It's helped a lot of people.
Right. And continues to.
And she turned something that was incredibly difficult into something
that was really quite remarkable and continues to be.
So I think her bravery and courage is just something to be admired.
And turns out she's wide awake and she's an absolute legend.
She is an absolute and I love her.
That's the beauty of, by the way, shout out to Jane Lewis.
That is the beauty of what COVID has done to a lot of us is has
woken us up into a whole different realm of information
and what we should be doing.
And yeah, it's it's a interesting time, wasn't it?
Yeah. So it's really funny.
So just before you, I just recorded a podcast with a guy out in Australia.
Tim stand up again and it was all about male domestic abuse.
And it was quite painful because I've been through that.
I've been through that and it was just bringing back memories.
And and I remembered how I had to change my whole social circle
because I just had to.
They kind of sided with her, not me.
So all these friends that I thought I'd known for years
that were originally my friends, not hers, you know, I just jettisoned them all.
And there's a kind of like a purge.
And then I think COVID happened and it kind of same thing happened again.
And and then I became friends like with you.
I'm not going to, you know, hide this.
I'm very good friends with your mama and your dad, eight.
They're lovely human beings.
And I'm actually kind of glad COVID happened in that respect
because I've just made so many good friends.
I was having this exact conversation with my partner yesterday.
COVID was genuinely one of the hardest times for me
because I lost all of my childhood friends,
people that I'd spent the whole of my high school with,
which at the time seems really, really important.
But then when you come away from it, you're like, wow,
that they're not the people that I'm aligned with.
But going through that process is really quite challenging.
You feel very alone.
The whole point is to divide and conquer.
And it pushed people to the hardest limits of their morals.
And I lost so many people.
And through that, though,
I've engaged with people that are completely aligned with me.
And that is the best thing that could have ever come out of it.
I've made so many new people, met new friends,
my morals and what I'm really passionate about
has completely changed all because of one thing that was utterly
horrendous and the biggest challenge.
But I think I've succeeded in the challenge.
Yeah, well, I mean, and then, like, honestly,
like, if you could go back in time, you had ultimate power and control
and you could stop COVID from ever happening
and you could just have your old life the way it was.
Would you choose that? Absolutely not.
Isn't that insane? Yeah.
And I get a real buzz now out of helping other people
that you see people that are just tinkering on that path of like,
oh, this is really interesting or have you thought about this
or they're just starting to go down different rabbit holes?
Some of which I'm like, stay out of them.
It's not worth going down them, but it's really liberating.
And you feel like part of a really great community of people
that have this knowledge and actually you're not the only one that's going mental.
Yeah, 100 percent.
And just completely randomly, I was thinking about your dad this morning.
So I'm making breakfast.
My playlist is playing and the song comes up.
And I really wish I knew who who wrote the song and who the singer is.
But I don't know. My friend, Marianne, sent it to me and it's anonymous.
But it's about poppies and remembrance day
and how we send our kids off to fight wars that are for bankers
and the crown and infantry.
These are infants of the state that we're sending off to be slaughtered.
It's a beautiful song.
It made me cry so many times.
And I listen to it all the time.
And I remember your your mama Jane saying to me, oh,
AIDS crying, listening to this.
And I love that about him because real men cry.
Strong, real, good, decent men cry.
It's passion, isn't it?
That's what creates the tears.
It's the passion that that is within us.
And it's the worry of the future.
Like my dad sheds a lot of tears about the worry for my daughter,
his granddaughter and what that looks like for her.
That's where tears come from is is passion or pain, isn't it?
Yeah. Well, listen, you're going to like this.
Guess what? We're homeschooling from September.
That is incredible.
So I started homeschooling in December.
How is it going?
Really good.
It's absolutely not what I expected it to be.
So I expected to be quite rigid and actually
or I certainly got myself up all
all wound up about the fact that I needed to actually like homeschool her.
But I use the term home education
rather than homeschooling.
I think that's two different things.
So she's not homeschooled.
She is home educated and she has already written
a book that we've got published online,
not for for profitable purposes,
but just for kind of like family members.
But to her, she's published a book since December.
Yeah, since December.
Yeah, she is doing art lessons.
She does. So my dad does more of the schooling
because he's really interested in that.
So he took her to a church to the day
and taught her how to measure the centre of the spire
from the inside by using different equations,
which is so incredibly intelligent,
but not something that I would I would be able to do.
But for me, home educating is helping her discover her passions
and then increasing them.
So pulling all of my power and my energy into something.
When children go to school,
how can you expect them to know what they want to do
for the rest of their life from the age of 10 or 11?
It just doesn't happen because already now when she's going to be
go or she would have been going into secondary school in September,
she was expected to know what her future may have looked like
or an aspect of before she then chooses her GCSEs.
And then her A levels.
Now, I'm 35 and I only really know what I want to do now
or within the last couple of years.
To me, the schooling system is so unbelievably corrupt
that it was the best decision that I ever made.
And she's so much happier.
She's gone through a process of unschooling
where she's just kind of been outdoors in nature
or she's gone for walks.
And when you start picking up on the small things that they're learning,
you think, oh, my God, this is exactly what education should be like.
She's learning to cook and how to to fend for herself.
She's learning how to build fires.
So she likes the fire every morning in our house.
She has to do some chores around the house.
She goes out and takes pictures of photography
because she absolutely loves photography at the minute.
She follows me around with my business
and helps me understand how business works.
You don't get those opportunities in school.
And quite often people will say,
and you might come up against this,
but what about the social aspect of school?
That was like the number one thing
that people would say to me is, well, she's never going to socialise.
She has had far more social interactions
between December and now than she's ever had in her school life ever.
She, when I go to different business meetings or market traders,
she comes with me, she talks to all the other traders there.
She talks to customers.
She speaks to people in the post office about delivery times,
which might seem minor, but from an 11 year old
to take herself off and to have those conversations with adults,
she would never get in a school environment.
And as adults, we don't sit in one room for six hours a day
with the same people of the same age doing different topics.
It just, yeah, now that I'm out of it,
it feels so bizarre that I ever sent her.
Listen, like everything, it was a case of convincing my wife.
And the funny thing is
the closer you are to someone, the less likely they are to listen to you.
Yeah, of course.
I'm going to call it the Malik's Law.
And the further and more distant someone is from you,
like on TV or the internet,
the more believable and trusted that source seems to be.
And that was one of the things that drove me nuts during COVID.
I'm like, I'm your husband. I love you.
Like, I'm intelligent.
I care about you more than any fracking Chris Whitty,
Boris Johnson or Ian Vallance or Fouchier Gateswood.
I care about you.
Like, why don't you listen to me?
And it's like, it's because of proximity.
It's a proximity law. I'm too close to her.
So people who think, oh, my God, you know, the message me all the time.
I go, oh, my God, you've helped me so much.
You've helped me wake up my wife or you've helped me wake up my boyfriend
or my children, you know, are now talking to me now.
I sent them a podcast and they've like listened to you and it's woken them up.
And you're amazing.
And I'm like, yeah, but that's because of the distance thing.
Because I'm far away.
I'm this I'm this dude on a video on a TV
and you, you know, you think, all right, great.
I'm going to believe that trusted voice.
But the closer you are, the harder.
And when I was talking about homeschooling, I was like, ah,
and then what I did was I took her to someone locally who is homeschooling.
And honestly, it was insane.
Just one hour listening over a cup of tea and biscuits to this lady.
She walked out and went, let's do it.
And I'm like, I'm like, I just spent 18 months trying to explain.
And this lady just didn't want to.
And again, it's a proximity rule.
You just sometimes you have to distance yourself.
And I'm telling this really for the audience,
because like if you're struggling with your partner and want to get something,
maybe you just need to realize it's not you.
It's just the fact you're just too close to them.
But my parents were the same when they were trying to
wake me up going through the whole, you know, Covid thing.
I was absolutely aware that something wasn't right
and I didn't wear masks.
I wasn't interested.
I actually went round.
So it was quite interesting.
Mum and dad didn't want me in their garden to begin with considering
how awake they are now when I first went round,
when you could only kind of stay out for an hour or whatever the rules were.
Mum was like, you can't be here.
You're like, people will tell on us, you're against the rules.
And I was like, mum, this is crazy.
Like, listen to yourself.
But then the more she then kind of went down
at rabbit holes at like 100 miles an hour
overtook everybody in her path.
She's got a PhD in it.
Yeah, it's insane.
She she was then telling she was then like saying to me
all these different things.
And I was like, no, mum, you're like, you're crazy.
This is this isn't right.
And I couldn't believe her for a long time,
mainly because I didn't want to like it seemed so
farfetched and awful what was happening
that you almost don't want to believe it.
But then when somebody else started talking to me
and then I made different circle of friends and I was like,
oh, actually, this is interesting.
Maybe she has got something.
But again, it's proximity.
She was too close to me.
I didn't want to hear it until other people said it.
And then I'm like, OK, maybe she's saying
some some kind of truth.
Maybe I should listen to her.
Yeah, exactly.
So the thing is with the home education
because I'm similar to I don't want to school anybody.
I want to educate.
We've done a few trial runs.
And the truth is I've been home educating them already, right?
So when they come home from school, what do you think I do?
Do you think I just sit in front of my laptop
and watch TV and drink a beer?
No, I'm talking to them educating
and breaking down all that indoctrination and bullshit
that have been told already.
So I'm kind of like a debtor already.
And what we did is we did a few trials.
I can have term.
So I was like, OK, folks, right?
We're going to do some you're going to do some contributions
in the morning.
So you're going to help tidy up your bed, tidy up your room.
You know, change the chicken coops and the litter and everything.
Who's going to help me make breakfast?
We make breakfast, get dressed.
And then we said, let's let's talk about breadmaking.
We're going to make bread, but let's break down bread.
And I said, what is bread made of?
We talked about yeast and lactic acid bacteria
and what they are and what kind of, you know,
cellular organisms there are and what they do in the yeast
and so in the dough.
And then we talked about gluten.
We talked about proteins.
We talked about micronutrients.
We talked about the process of how it rises the bread.
And it creates like my daughter says, well, the bacteria
for and make the gas.
And that's what makes it.
And yeah, I was like, great.
And then I taught them all of this stuff
and they did some research.
I gave them tasks and questions.
And then they researched it.
And then I asked them to make a little notebook,
study like project and explain everything.
And they drew pictures and they wrote all the science
and everything.
And then they showed my wife and it's beautiful.
And honestly, it was like an hour and a half
of complete silence while they they're bitterly researched.
And they were, why don't you give them a task?
They're on it.
Like they weren't like, oh, we're bored.
We want to go watch TV.
There was none of that.
And the other thing I realized was,
you don't really need to spend nine o'clock in the morning
to 3 p.m. in the afternoon teaching them,
learn this because that's not what's going on in school.
The amount of time they actually learn in school
is like an hour.
They're moving between classes.
They're doing different things.
The teacher's spending time instructing
and then they have their breaks.
Like the amount of quality time of learning is very small.
So you know what?
You could just do two, two and a half hours
in the morning, nine to 11, 30.
And that's equivalent of a school day.
And then you let them do what they want to do.
And I think the main challenge, however,
is making sure that they're not on the screens for too long
and they don't end up playing computer games
and all that kind of stuff.
But again, it's a balance
because if you become too hard and say,
look, don't do this, don't, they're gonna rebel.
They're gonna go behind your back.
So I just warned them about the dangers.
And I warned them that actually,
their dad once used to be addicted to computer games
and what damage it did to them.
So I'm hoping that kind of stuff, they'll learn from that.
Children are intrinsic learners,
but you can't ask a group of, in my opinion,
30 children to complete the same tasks
and the same timeframe using the same methodology.
It's just not how adults work.
To me, the person that says
they don't think they're equipped to home educate
are exactly the people that should be home educating
because if you don't think you're equipped
to home educating, why are you sending your child
to the same place that educated you?
Because if you don't feel like you're able to educate,
then you're sending them to that exact same institute.
I think that's really powerful.
And the people that feel like they aren't able to
are the ones that do it so successfully
because they have the life skills.
It might be that they're entrepreneurs
or they're writing books or whatever it might be.
They're building things in their garden.
They're the ones that are gonna create the life skill.
And through all of my adult life,
I genuinely don't think I've used anything
or maybe 10% as an absolute max
of what I learned at school.
You figure it out as you go.
I don't think school contributes
to a healthy society in any way, shape or form.
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Do you wanna hear something scary?
The same applies to med school.
I didn't take anything more than 10%
of what I learned in med school
to be a doctor and surgeon.
Isn't that crazy?
And medical school is actually no different from schooling
and it's just indoctrinating you.
It's making you a good little worker bee,
good little yes person, follow the rules,
little rule follower.
You know the way your mum was like,
oh no, we can't, you know, someone,
it makes you a rule follower.
You wanna please your teacher,
you wanna please authority,
and that's what happens.
And shout out to my Iranian brother
from another mother, Ali,
this morning in the playground.
He said to me, do you know what,
anything the government recommends,
do the opposite.
Absolutely.
And is state education, this free education,
when does the government give you anything for free?
When is that a good thing?
Vaccines, they're free.
Do you wanna take them?
No, thanks.
Anything, I mean they,
the Rockefellers said that they want a community
in a country of doers and not thinkers.
We are all losing the ability to think for ourselves
and do things that are exciting.
We can all contribute in different ways.
It doesn't have to be set up in a schooling system.
And you go to school and so typically people come out
of it saying they want to be a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher,
because that's them putting back
into what they've already learned.
They're not being thinkers and doing things themselves.
I now surround myself with like-minded business people
to help project my business
because I can't be around people
that are so close-minded to it
because there is enough knowledge,
enough money out there for us all to succeed.
And I don't believe the education system
pushes you to think outside the box at all.
My daughter is so much more confident.
She's more aware of her abilities,
more aware of what she can achieve
since leaving the education system.
And if we as adults did things that happen in school,
you could sue your employers easily.
So, you know, they can't put their hand up,
they can't go to, sorry, they have to,
they can't speak the output in their hand up.
They have to ask to go to use a basic human right
as going to the bathroom.
They have to eat at certain times.
They can't go outside if it's raining.
So then they're inside for six hours a day.
They can't do what they want to when they want to,
i.e. if they've got a really cool idea
and that takes off into a different area of the school.
Well, actually, no, you can't do that
because that isn't allowed in that curriculum.
But if that happened in my employment,
I could sue them because it's wrong.
But just because it's another Tuesday in a school,
it's then okay.
Yeah, no, listen, I can't wait.
I can't wait, I can't wait.
I'm gonna be doing a little bit more research
and I've got a few podcasts to listen to,
one book that I wanna read.
Cause, you know, I also don't wanna,
I know there's this thing called unschooling
where you just leave them be.
I don't want that.
I want a little bit of structure,
a little bit of, you know,
this is what we're gonna do this month, this week,
you know, this term, whatever.
And everybody, you know, I'm gonna set this
at their own paces, but they do like
to be given tasks and projects and do research.
And I want, and that's kind of a person that I am as well.
You know, when you walked in, you were like,
oh, wow, this is a nice setup.
You know, this was an amateur podcast,
but I developed it like it was a professional podcast
because that's just the way I am.
So if I'm gonna be home educating,
I wanna be the best fucking home educator.
Like, you know, I wanna ace it.
I want my kids to get the best out of it.
And I just, it's just that's the way I am.
So we're taking it up for September.
And to be honest, I cannot wait.
And I'm even gonna do things like,
because, you know, I'm my own boss,
I'm quite happy taking them away, for example,
to Paris for two days and take them to all the museums
and talk about art and impressionists
and, you know, all the different, you know, van Gogh
and whatever, just take them to Musée d'Orsay
and educate them that way.
Like that memory, that learning for them,
I think in that day will be equivalent to like months
in an art school, okay?
Or take them somewhere else.
And you don't always have to travel,
but we could take them to Stonehenge,
we could take them to Scotland,
I could take them to Rome,
I could take them just to the Natural History Museum.
I can set tasks for them.
They might help out at the local bakery,
couple of hours a week, just to learn what it's like
to handle money and speak to people and customers.
There's so many options.
The thing is, it's insane, actually.
The world just totally opens up when you think,
right, I'm not gonna send my kids to school anymore.
And that's the biggest thing that we found.
So I, within the first month of her home educating,
we had, I talked to her through the application,
so we're going to China tomorrow, actually.
So, which is something that she would never have been
able to do because it would have worked around term time,
but we can go now outside of term,
which is not only cheaper,
but the education that she will receive
by going for that experience is huge.
But we had to go to the Chinese Embassy
and talk about the visas
and she had to help me with that application process.
Whilst we were there, we then went to the National Gallery
and she looked at all the artists
that she was really into art, like absolutely loves it.
So she was looking at all the different artists.
You wouldn't have those hands-on experiences
and that's just like two minor, minor things
that we could just do without really thinking,
which were free other than the travel to London.
But then she had to understand the money exchange from that
and kind of going through the back door of money
and banking and all of that sort of thing
that they wouldn't get in the school environment.
It's actual experiences and opportunities
that children don't normally get.
That's what homeschooling or home educating provides.
And I think people who worry about,
like, but what am I going to teach them?
There are so many things you can learn every single day.
Like, you just, it's funny.
The moment you stop consuming, you start creating.
And they will provide their own education.
We don't have to be their educators.
We can be their facilitators to education.
So Evie will decide what it is that she's interested in
or what it is that she wants to do.
She's really into kind of thinking of
and creating different businesses at the minute
because of what I'm doing.
And that's inspiring to her and it encourages her.
So all I then do is facilitate
how to get her to that end point.
So this is what I would do or have you thought about that
or she wanted to do a couple of things the other week
and I said, okay, we'll go off and research it.
Now we don't have access to iPads or anything in the house.
It's just not allowed.
So she has to go into the laptop
and kind of understand how that works.
And for me, going back to like your comment
on iPads and phones and gaming and that sort of thing.
To me, that's just lazy parenting now.
There's so much opportunity of children playing
and exploring without being sat on the screen.
Not only is it dangerous
in terms of what information that they can access
but it doesn't provide anything anymore.
And a lot of EVs education in school
was through a computer or through an iPad.
It's not the environment that I wanted to be in.
It's not the way that I choose to parent.
It's not the way that I bring her up morally.
It's not how I am as an individual.
So to then send her to somebody
that does do that.
And they're essentially strangers.
We don't know who these people are.
We don't know the other children in the class
that they're interacting with.
Yeah, the whole thing just blows my mind.
Oh, well, my daughters, I might have to start with saying,
oh, my God, Daddy, everybody,
like most of the people in my class
are just crazy people.
Like they're not normal.
I was like, maybe get ready for life.
Yeah, it's going to be worse as you get older.
Like people are vaccinated.
People are eating junk food, processed food,
consuming garbage on social media.
Listening to the BBC.
You're going to find that in some respects,
it's quite lonely because finding your own tribe,
people like you, like there's not many of you.
But the good thing is when you do,
like those friendships and those relationships
will be uncomparable.
Does that make sense?
So I've prepared it for that already.
And she tells me, she goes like,
and all of them, they all say like,
and like the teacher recently for my youngest son,
at parent teachers association, she goes,
he's very serious.
You know, he looks at the other boys
and he just looks at them like, what are you doing?
And I went, yeah, that is my son.
Cause that's exactly what he's thinking.
Like, what are you guys just doing?
Like, why are you acting like federal kids?
Like he's just very mature and sensible.
And I just feel like now is the time to get them out
because I don't want the schooling system
to drum out of them their individual spark
that they all still have.
I want that spark to grow brighter,
not to dim over time.
But anyway, let's talk about your company.
So you've got a full-time job,
but now you've got a little hobby.
Well, I actually in December went
from a very corporate operational role
in a large education, ironically, organization.
So in early years of education,
I was a regional manager
and then integration manager, traveling to London a lot.
Very, very corporate, loved it.
I genuinely believe it's the only place
where education is actually done right,
is in early years,
because you take the child as an individual.
But last May, I was fortunate enough
to meet Simon Squibb and help with my own business.
So I'm really passionate about clean skincare
and offering-
How did that happen?
How do you bump into him?
So he released his location online,
which is so, so rare.
I've followed him for years.
I genuinely think his vision of business
and how he helps people is so amazing.
And since meeting him a couple of times,
so many people say to me,
is he what he makes out on the screen?
Is he that genuine?
He is even more genuine off-camera than he is on camera.
Nothing scripted, nothing's like,
okay, so this is what I need you to say
or he says a couple of things
just to help with sponsorship,
but it's all to benefit the person.
And when you're in front of him,
there's quite often a lot of people around him
kind of, you know, taking photos or videos.
He is so eyeballing you.
He's only interested in you,
not interested in anybody else around
until he then moves on to the next person.
Just an incredible man.
I really feel like I align with him.
So I, he released his location.
Mum, dad, Evie and I were due to go to London.
Anyway, and I was like, oh, let's just see.
Like, let's just see.
Walked around Leicester Square a few times,
couldn't find him,
was literally about to give up
and Evie was like, no, one more time.
Let's just try.
Walked around the corner,
there was a large group of people
and I was like, oh, this could potentially be him.
And he just came straight up to me
and said, what's your dream?
And then I was all a bit flustered
and I was like, ah, ah, ah, ah.
And said that my dream was to help people
with the appearance of eczema
and dry skin and give people clean
and healthy-looking skin
without using toxic ingredients
that are pumped into our cosmetic industry.
And I'd started making my own cream
a good nine months before, just for myself.
I've been making my own products for years,
but then started to have
really positive results with people.
Gave it to my boyfriend
who was using steroid cream on his face.
His skin was sitting on his neck and his elbows.
It started working for him.
Gave it to more friends
with their babies with eczema
started working for them.
And I was like, oh, hang on a minute,
this could be something here.
And because I was so passionate about it,
that passion just continues to drive and increase.
So he was very fortunate to receive
£2,000 off him to help
with the introduction of my business.
And he doesn't check up on the money.
He's kind of like, if you want it, it's there.
I'm not gonna, if you choose to spend it on a holiday,
then more for you type thing.
And then he agreed to meet me in November last year.
We did a follow-up
and he kind of helped promote my business.
And yeah, that's where I'm up to it with it.
He's a good egg.
He's an unbelievably cracking egg
and he does it all for,
so doesn't take any profit himself.
He does it all for everybody else.
Flies the world, asking people what their dream is
and puts all his time and energy into it.
He is a remarkable man.
Okay, well, let's talk about your product.
So you sent me some kindly, some very nice samples,
not samples like the products.
And man, it's so funny.
My wife is always resistant to everything I say,
but then eventually comes around.
I don't know why.
I don't know, all the other husbands out there.
I don't know if you relate or not,
but I come out with something
whether it's we shouldn't drink tap water,
we shouldn't vaccinate,
we shouldn't have seed oils
and there's always a resistance.
And then I have to chip, chip away at it.
And then it crumbles and it's like,
yeah, that's a great idea.
Of course we should do this.
And it's like,
do you not think that's a defense mechanism though?
I just don't know.
Like we've been doing something for so long
to then say, oh, actually,
maybe the way that I have been doing it
isn't perhaps the right way
or maybe there are some health negatives to that.
You've then got to admit that as a person.
So it makes you defensive.
That's what I think it is.
And I've tried to change the delivery
in every possible way.
Like, you know, suggesting it's their idea
or like, how about we should do this
or, oh, I came across this.
What do you think of that?
It does, it's still the wall.
But then the wall starts to crumble.
And one of the things, it was this,
you know, your, your skincare products.
I was like, I already had concerns
like the amount of skincare products
she was using and all the different types.
And I, all the women out there,
I'm just saying, I'm not anti-makeup,
anti-skin care products,
but I just think a lot of it is bullshit, right?
The advertising industry is not just makeup.
I'm talking about everything.
The advertising industry is about making you feel
like you have low self-worth.
You're doing things wrong.
You're not good enough.
And if you buy their product,
then you will be happier and you are better.
And then people will desire what you want,
what you have and you're this desirable object.
And it could be a car,
it could be the food you're eating,
or it could be the makeup, right?
That's the standard modus operandi of advertising.
It really makes you feel shit until you buy their product.
And with makeup, it's kind of the same.
It's like, you're not pretty,
you're not, you're not beautiful enough.
Your hair's the wrong color, you know?
You need to dye it.
You need to wear lipstick.
You need to have this foundation and makeup on.
And then you'll be beautiful
and then you'll be attractive
and then you'll feel good about yourself.
And I think how horrible and evil fundamentally that is,
right?
And women literally at the school pick up
and drop-offs are wearing masks.
I mean, like you can see the line, you know,
where the mask is and they're normal skin color.
And I just feel sad.
And then, you know, I watched the women, like my wife,
put on the makeup and then in the evening,
strip it all off and then their skin's dry
and then they have to replenish it and moisturize it.
And, you know what?
I just feel like, what the heck?
And like, I use soap,
you know, when I shower, once a day.
Okay, under my armpits, around my body,
quickly over my face, that's it.
But you know what?
I don't scrub my face.
I don't do any of that.
And, you know, I just put a little bit of beef tallow
on my skin after I've shared
because the hot water kind of dries out a little bit.
It's a bit of beef tallow and that's it.
And my wife is always over the last few years going,
oh my God, your skin's amazing.
I can't believe your skin's so amazing.
Like, you're 50, your skin's amazing.
You don't have spots.
You have this, your skin's amazing.
And then I go, yeah, you know,
I don't use all these products that you're using.
You know, like hyaluronic acid and retinol
and retinoic this and strippers and peelers
and moisturizers.
Like, maybe you should just cut back a bit.
And then as soon as I say that, it's like,
whoa, you don't know anything,
but I know what I'm talking about, like, blah, blah.
And I just feel like you've just said it.
Your skin's amazing.
And when I tell you how simple it is,
just don't put shit on it.
Don't strip it away from its natural sebum.
Put a bit of beef tallow and you'll get in the sunshine
and you're radiant.
So anyway, when I mentioned the cosmetics,
I said, look, it's like medication.
There's lots of stuff in there that is not good for you.
There was a bit of initial resistance.
And then I have to thank ChatGPT, a distant person.
ChatGPT is not her husband.
And I said, look, I'm gonna pop in all the ingredients
of all these products and compare them to Nudum,
which is your company.
And ChatGPT said, Nudum is much better for all of them.
And she went, oh, that's interesting.
And now the wall crumble.
I'm gonna try them then.
And literally just a couple of days ago,
I messaged you to say, by the way,
my wife at the blue said, I love the Nudum products.
And they're brilliant.
And when I run out, can you get me some more?
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There is so much terrible ingredients in our skincare
and there is this TikTok Instagram era
of having a 10 step skincare routine.
And actually, when women say to me,
why is it that my husband's got really good skin?
And I'm like, because they're not putting
all the chemicals that you're putting on our skin.
I only use three products on my skin.
They are all mine
but that's because I formulated them
to make sure that I didn't need anything else
because we put so like,
we wouldn't drink water that's got arsenic in it.
We know that it's terrible for us.
Therefore we don't drink it.
We filter it.
That doesn't then seem to filtrate
or apply to the cosmetic industry.
We walk into boots or other people choose to shop
and they are bombarded
with all of these look younger,
airbrushed women on marketing boards.
And there's a pool to look like that
but then they're putting horrific chemicals on their body.
So liquid paraffin and petrolatum are known carcinogens
and are in a lot of our skincare ingredients
but they're derived from crude oil.
If somebody gave you some crude oil
or gave you some petrol,
did a bit of emulsifying with it
and then asked you to put it on your face,
you'd probably say no.
But the fact that it's hidden
in a very nicely labeled well marketed product
seems to make it okay.
And then if you look at the, particularly with cleansers,
so a common comment after using a cleanser
is all it makes my face really dry
or feel really irritated.
Well, it's got sodium lauryl sulfate in it
which is the one thing
that we shouldn't be putting on our body
and you'll hear lots of people say.
Lauryl sulfate?
Lauryl sulfate, sulfate.
So it's the thing that makes it really bubbly
and you find it in a lot of shampoos
and a lot of cleansers
and a lot of color of the weight people are,
it's known to take it out of their shampoo
but we then don't think to take it out of our cleansers.
So we're then putting it on our skin
which is our largest organ
and expecting our skin to be healthy
yet you're putting something on it
that's stripping all of the oils out of the skin
making it incredibly dry, incredibly sore
and then we're covering it
with different ingredients like dimethicon
which is a very well known ingredient
in a lot of eczema
and general like daily moisturizers.
When you look at how that's made,
it's made from heating sand and carbon together
which makes it silicon.
And again, we're putting that on our bodies
every single day.
It's not something that I wanted my daughter
to grow up with.
So I had a few reasons why I started Nudem
but one of them was due to working in an industry
where children would have
about three or four different types
of well known eczema creams
yet their expert wasn't helping at all.
And I was like, well, this is a bit strange
why are they all using the same product
and actually their skin is still showing signs of eczema.
And then I also didn't want my daughter to grow up
thinking that she had to have a 10 step skincare routine
to achieve healthy skin.
I don't wear a huge amount of makeup
and when I do, I wear it for myself and for nobody else.
I would happily leave the house
and quite often leave the house without makeup on.
But when I then take it off and look after my skin,
I look after it like I would do any other part of my body
because it's our largest organ
but it seems to be really, really forgotten about.
Okay, a couple of questions.
I've got quite a few questions actually.
So let's start with the eczema business.
So eczema meant to be autoimmune.
I think autoimmune, everything comes back to the gut.
Gut dysbiosis, I wouldn't be surprised if vaccines
have some role to play in it as well
from wrecking up your gut.
What is special about your cream?
What is it in your cream?
Do you think that's helping the eczema?
Beef tallow is the main ingredient.
So if you look at other eczema products,
the first ingredient is water.
So one, we're paying a lot of money for water
and then dimethicone, like I said,
is carbon and sand heated, which is silicon.
Whereas my products has tallow in it,
which is grass-fed 100% organic ingredients
and it's rich in vitamins A, E, D and K,
which really resonate with our natural skin.
It then has jojoba oil,
which is the closest to our natural skin sebum.
So sebum is something that's made in our sebaceous glands
and helps the healthy appearance of our skin
as a protective layer.
Isn't it antibacterial as well?
Yeah, antibacterial, antioxidant,
naturally occurring, very, very powerful.
And then I infuse the jojoba oil and some of them-
So what oil?
A jojoba, it's about J-O-J-O-B-A.
So it's jojoba, sometimes people say,
but it's jojoba.
I then infuse that in organic chamomile herbs,
organic calendula herbs and organic lavender herbs.
And for the naked tallow, that is it.
We literally don't need it.
Need anything else to have healthy skin.
I then make four different products
that have more specialized benefits
for different ailments of the skin.
So I do a calm and care,
which has got collodial oats in,
which is used in another very well-known extra brand.
They shall not be named,
but they use their process of collodial oats.
It's just terrible.
Colonial.
Collodial.
A bit like collodial silver.
Collodial oats.
Okay.
They are very, very healing for eczema
and they seep into the skin
rather than just sitting on it.
So, and then I do a scar and stretch,
which has rosehip oil,
which is very high in vitamin A,
which helps skin rejuvenation,
helps the appearance of skin,
helps the appearance of scars.
I also do Frankie and Lav
and Neurolean tea tree for like acne
and breakouts and that sort of thing.
But the main...
So it's even just normal skin,
eczema and acne and scars.
I mean, it's like a quite a wide range there.
Basically all skin that has different ailments,
but the main product is beef tallow.
And it puts a lot of people off initially.
So I kind of go up to it with caution,
depending on if you know they're like minded or whatever.
But when you start talking about the benefits of beef tallow
and how close to our skin it is,
surely it's a no-brainer.
Why wouldn't you put that on your skin?
Well, if they're vegan or vegetarian,
then what do they do?
Well, it depends on how desperate they are
to have clean, healthy skin.
I think we know that having vegan and vegetarian options,
particularly food consumption,
is lab-grown and is,
unless they're going completely raw vegan and vegetarian
and therefore not eating any alternatives.
But generally speaking, it's lab-grown.
Well, it's the same as cosmetics and skincare.
I have a very good friend who is vegetarian
and she didn't find anything that helped her skin
and she uses my beef tallow.
And the only thing that I would say
for those that are really suffering,
one, look at your diet.
It might not be the best thing for you.
Look at your gut.
You might need to work with different clinicians,
homeopaths or dietitians
or others that can support you internally.
But if it's going to help your skin
and it's not going to harm you,
then give it a go.
The products I select are so carefully selected.
So I have a certificate in natural medicine.
I'm an international skincare coach.
So I'm really particular about the products that I choose.
How did you get into all this?
How did you learn all this stuff,
like skincare, coach and all that kind of stuff?
Well, how you learn anything.
I dedicated my time to want to be able to help people
realise that you don't have to have toxic chemicals
to achieve good skin and good skincare.
And I made it my mission to not only do it from a,
okay, this is my opinion,
but actually have backed evidence
and the International Skincare Coach Certification.
Although it wasn't designed for natural medicine,
throughout the whole course,
they kept coming back to essential oils,
natural oils and beef tallow.
And that was for, yes, they talked about retinol
and all of those different things
that you can put on hydrochloric acid.
But they said, actually, let's pull it back to
your skin really only needs
really simple basic ingredients.
Yes, you can add in serums and cleansers as you get older
because that's also really important,
particularly for oily skin.
But we just don't know about it.
So I wanted to make it my mission
to change the way that skincare is viewed,
to change the fact that we've got
10 steps skincare routines on TikToks
where 13 year olds have got more cosmetic products
than I've got in my entire house.
I know.
And it's not the environment that I want my daughter to be in.
So it kind of became a non-negotiable for me
that I had to find an alternative way.
This is the thing.
So children emulate their parents.
I noticed my girls were starting to ask,
you know, their mama, what are you using?
I think, oh, can we use this?
And I was like, oh, fuck me.
So I was getting really quite worried.
So then I'm having conversations with the girls.
My girls explained to them
how all these products are not great.
And, you know, I said that spiel about makeup, you know,
I'm not anti-makeup.
But, you know, if I said anything wrong, say it, say it.
But, and if you agree with me, I'd love to hear that.
But, you know, I was just saying,
look girls, your skin's beautiful.
You don't need to disturb it.
And if you've got acne or something,
that's your gut telling you
that it didn't like the food.
It didn't like the stress.
So you need to listen to your body.
You don't mask it.
And all these drugs and all these stripping and all,
you don't need to go down this route.
So, and I think I've made a difference.
And now my wife has made it very clear to me
that she's gonna finish the products that she's got
because she doesn't like wasting stuff.
Personally, I'd be happy for her
to just throw it all in the bin.
She's the kind of person that doesn't like wasting money.
So she's like, as soon as I finish using it,
I'm not ordering any more of this stuff.
And I'm just gonna stick to the new doom.
And it's great.
And you remind me of another guest
that I've had, Cheryl Taylor, who is a tricologist
and is really passionate about hair.
And she made her own hair products and shampoos.
And again, just a few days ago, my wife was like,
you know what, I think my hair is so much better now.
My scalp used to be quite irritable and sensitive.
And I was like, really?
I mean, I've been married to her for 10 years.
I never knew her scalp was sensitive and irritable.
You never told me that.
And then she was like, but you know what?
In the last month, I was thinking,
I don't have that anymore.
My scalp feels great and my hair feels great.
I think it's because of your friend's hair products.
We need to get more of those shampoos when I'm done.
I'm like, do you need any more?
She went, no, no, I've got plenty right now.
I was like, okay, great.
So, you know, these things do work.
And I think it's because people like you and Cheryl
are actually genuinely passionate about what you're doing.
And you don't want all this toxic crap.
You know, I've got a guest coming on Eleanor, Eleanora.
And she's gonna be talking about her book detoxifying,
you know, from your daily life.
And you know, I read the book
and it's crazy the amount of toxins we're exposed to.
It's insane.
I think if somebody's wanting to start
their low-tox living journey,
so I think I live a very, very low-tox life,
there are some things that I still continue to do,
but it's through informed knowledge
that I choose to do it, but it's so, so low.
But if you're starting your low-tox journey,
I think the biggest way to reduce any toxins
is through your skin, because we're lathering it on.
So whether that's through makeup or cosmetics,
exactly clothing, so I will only wear possible natural fibres,
particularly if it's just sat on my skin.
So I'll always wear like a cotton t-shirt or merino wool.
Same.
I'm not, I don't want it.
And it was just like, my daughter is,
I feel so grateful to her for giving me the passion
to make it better for her.
Because I think if it wasn't for her,
then I would still be passionate about it,
but not have that like killer drive
where I'm like absolutely fundamentally
do not want her putting the toxic chemicals on her face
or thinking that it's acceptable
to have to wear four-inch thick foundation
to have to leave the house
or that you have to cover up what you're naturally given
to then feel good about yourself.
And that's when we get in the cycle of acne,
because we've got sobecious pores being blocked up
and that's where our sebum is.
So actually, yes, whilst it absolutely comes from the gut,
it's due to the amount of chemicals
that we're putting on our face, obviously.
If you put the same thing on your hand every single day,
you would start getting a reaction to it
if you're then not cleaning it properly
and nourishing it effectively
with clean ingredients afterwards.
I don't want her to have that cycle of then feeling rubbish
and her self-esteem
and then having to cover up with more makeup
because she's got the spots
which are being given to her from the makeup.
But trying to say that to a 14, 15 year old
is like talking to a brick wall, I'm sure.
I know when I was growing up,
makeup wasn't a big thing.
I was at the weekend experimenting with blue eyeshadow
and that was kind of as much as it got
because my parents didn't wear a lot of makeup
and I was, oh, my dad, you know,
occasionally he would choose to wear makeup, no joking.
But it wasn't something that I was around
and I'm grateful for that.
And I don't want Evie to be the same.
If she chooses to because she might have
a bit of a confidence boost, which in itself,
I feel a bit hypocritical because I don't want her to,
even though I wear it myself,
it's not an environment that she should be around
and this whole feminism movement,
I don't want her to be a part of.
So what do you mean by that?
And you now need to explain what that means.
This feminism, because you seem like
a very strong feminist role model,
independent, working, creating your own business.
I mean, it's all great.
I think feminism is now being turned on at its head
and not what I necessarily believe it to be.
So I think there's feminine energy
and I've got very feminine energy
and actually it's only something that I've really been able
to unlock since my partner enabled me to leave my job
and actually do the things that typical feminists
would think are wrong for women to do.
What's feminine energy?
To be the nurturer and to be the carer
and to look after the household.
So I'm quite sure.
I do that.
I must have a lot of feminine energy then.
I think it's important to have masculine feminine energy
because that's where your yin and yang comes from
and I'm really lucky that my partner
is masculine and provides
and I can then be-
I do that as well.
You're multifaceted, well done.
And I can then focus my energy
on being a nurturing mother
and provide good meals
and provide a happy, healthy home
and be able to play around with the ingredients
that I then want to give her with good skincare.
And yeah, I think that's really important
to have feminine masculine energy.
Okay, well, now keep going.
I'm not gonna let you out, stop here.
So what are your issues
with the feminism movement that we've got right now?
I think it's to have women out of the home
not looking after their children
to have more tax pay of money back into the government.
So trying to split up families.
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