Well the answer to that is Aleister Crowley. Yes, the Beast 666 himself. In addition, he's
also the one that showed the peace sign to Winston Churchill during World War II. When
you look into occult history, it's actually the sign of Typhon. Now the rock and roll
industry is full of mysteries from its birth even to today. Here's one
that I've always liked. Paul is dead. Paul McCartney. According to the story, he
died in a car accident in the mid-60s and was replaced by Billy Shears. Is it true?
Is it not? We don't know. I do. I don't think it's real. But nonetheless, that
story, that legend, if you will, is still alive today. And when you peel back the
onions, the onion, excuse me, of the music industry from the Laurel Canyon days to
the Mickey Mouse Club, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, and all these interesting
organizations and people that surround them. It makes one think. Are we being
told the truth when it comes to the music industry? Is there some dark hand
behind it? Aleister Crowley. He comes through the music industry over and
over again. He was on the Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart Club album. Look up
in the corner. There's a picture of Aleister. He was followed by Jimmy Page,
none of them himself. A lot of big names follow dark esoteric philosophies. And
a lot of strange things happen in the music business. The 27 Club, the list
goes on and on. We're going to get into that. And my guest tonight has a deep,
deep understanding and knowledge of that. So hang around. It's going to be fun.
It's going to get weird. It's going to be a little bit interesting. But y'all know
I like that. Today, in this strange time we're looking at, one thing that is
under attack. Not only our minds, but our bodies. And health is something that
I've taken seriously for a few years now. Because I realized ain't nobody
going to say this boy and the death care system ain't going to make me
healthy. They're going to reset a broken arm just fabulously. But are
they going to make me healthy? No. So I started using products from
chemical free body. Tim James is an amazing dude. And you know me,
I'm skeptical. A few years ago, I was at a Narcoboco. My friend
Charlie says, Hey, you got to meet this cat. You got to try this
stuff. I'm like, Okay, I'll try it. Yeah, yeah, I got home. Started
taking his green 85, which is now organic energy juice. I do think
he rebranded it. And lo and behold, it worked. I've been taking
it every day for two and a half years. And I recently got the
water hero, which is a little device you just pour your water
through and it takes my tap water and makes it taste like I drew
it out of a fresh spring. And more importantly, I've felt the
benefits of that. And I won't give the graphic details, but these
products work. So if you're serious about your health, go
to chemical free body comm slash nature boy. That's my page.
Give it a poke. If you find something you like, use the
promo code nature boy, check out and you'll get some good
savings. More importantly, you'll get products that will
work will make you healthy. And then to every sale, I get a
little little something to help me cover the expense of the
show because I'm not speaking craziness to anybody. We know
how expensive things are getting and it's hitting my
bottom line. So that's chemical free body.com slash nature
boy, promo code nature boy. So everybody that's in the
chats, all your beautiful savages, everybody's listening
this. Thank you so much for continually to show that to help
the show grow. I mean, it still mazes me that I see the numbers
that I see just tune in live and down the road. And it just
makes this old man happy. So thank you very much. I can be
found at x at the real nature boy or my handle is in be in
nature boy as an alternative by nature. I love my comments. I
love it when I get the good comments and you know I love
the bad comments because hate listeners. Yeah, I welcome on
this show. So everybody from the bottom of my heart. Thank you
for tuning in. Share the show, share the show, share the
show, share my comments on x and that all that stuff and just
help me get this show continually make this show
grow. Okay, so that that's all out of the way. I think I
got everything done. Now let's get on with the show.
Tonight's guest is Richard Sret. Sarah, excuse me. He's a
longtime host of Strange Planet. He's also a frequent guest on
Coast to Coast AM and the creator of the conspiracy show.
Richard's first book, and I'll let him tell you about it, Tales
from Rock and Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone digs
into the strange history and dark side of the music
industry. With years of calm, thoughtful interviews on
Hidden Truce and the unexplained, he always brings a steady
voice to the conversation. Richard, welcome my friend to the
third rail.
Nature boy, great to be here.
Likewise, likewise, man. As I was, you know, researching you
and when I got the first, you know, from Todd, our friend
who put out the, you know, the promo, I was like, Oh, I
got to get this cat on, man. He's right up my line. I
love music. I love funky stuff. And I love the convergence of it.
I love Richard talking to people like you who know far more
about it than I do. So for my audience out there that may not
be familiar with you, who is Richard Sret? And more
importantly, where can you be found and where can they get
this cool book of yours, man?
Who is Richard Sret? He is an enigma wrapped in a riddle
dipped in a chocolatey coating. I am a lover of terrestrial
radio. I began my, well, I worked my entire adult career, my
entire adult life really, in radio, started out at a big 50,000
watt below torch station, worked behind the scenes as a
producer, eventually got my own show, had to figure out how
am I going to fill two hours of airtime on a Sunday night? And
aside from Art Bell in those days, there was nothing, there was
no one really talking about alternative everything in radio.
So that sort of became my, my raison d'etre, is to explore
those big questions. And, you know, what happens after we die?
Why are we here? Are we alone in the universe? Who is in
control here on earth? All of these questions. So that sort of
evolved into the conspiracy show, eventually that radio
program, then later became a television show. In 2014, I
started my stint as a regular guest host on coast to coast, I
fill in for George Norrie and others two, three times a
month. And it's an amazing platform with an amazing legacy. In
2018, I started a podcast called The Rock and Roll
Twilight Zone, which kind of became this convergence of my
love for classic rock, and also my love for, you know,
exploring the subterranean, if you will, conspiracies, the
paranormal, secret societies, the occult, all of these
things came together. And the podcast was about 40 episodes. And
I distilled that into about 16, well, not about precisely 16
chapters. And this little baby right here tails tails from the
Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, which is available to book buyers
as of July 9. But it's available on preorder. Where can
they find it? We're gonna get to preorders and where it's
gonna be available. It's gonna be just about everywhere
online. The usual suspects, Amazon, Walmart, Barnes and
Noble, I like to direct people directly to the, the publisher
trying day, trying day.com, they can order it there. They can
also get more information at the rock and roll twilight
zone.com. Nice, I like Chris Milligan is a good man. Oh,
he's the best. He's the best. I had him on a few weeks
ago. And I used to live up in Oregon. And it's basically the
same town he did. So we got something in common. And
especially back in the day when I had no clue who this cat
Babs was, and Mike Hagan, I just knew him as that's old Mike
and that's Babs. And then I found out, Oh, they're part of
the Mary pranksters. And you mean Mike Hagan, the reason you
saw his face on cameras, because he's the one that filmed
everything and you got Babs, and you have this King Keezy
thing. And I just fell into it. And I was like, Oh, in
fact, I remember I have a vivid memory of being at
Mike's house when the day after I think it was the day
after so that Jerry died. And, you know, the official
story was he died of a heart attack, natural causes.
Let's cremate the body, nothing to see here. Okay, that was
the official story. And I'm hanging out with Mike and
Babs and a few other people and they're like, Yeah, that's
bullshit. Yo, dude, blah, blah, blah. And they just went
through the whole story about how they, you know, what
what happened. And I, I looked at them and I'm like, Okay,
you are people that are the on the inside, you know what's
going on. And you're telling me one story. And the media is
telling me another one. And the thing is, who am I going
to believe my eyes are the lion media. So I go along that
the vein that yeah, they broke them out, Jerry had some
stash, he died, and they cremated them and they made up a
story and nothing to see here. I mean, just like rock and
roll. That's why there's so many stories that have
fascinated me. And let's start with going back to the 60s
kind of where the the big British invasion came from
when rock and roll went from more or less the race
music classifications to Bill Haley to when it
exploded globally. And that's with the Beatles. I've
heard and done a lot of research on the early times
that Beatles and also something that is my most
my listeners will know about it, but it's the Tavistock
Institute. And how the Beatles weren't an organic
group of the fab four who just came out of Liverpool
with this amazing new sound in these great lyrics and
took the world by surprise that actually actually they
may have had a little bit of help if you know what I
mean. So what's your take on that whole thing?
Well, my take is and this is chapter one in the book. It's
called fab four or false flag. And I leaned on some
pretty heavy researchers for this chapter Nelson
Thall, first and foremost, I should mention Nelson. He's a
friend of mine. Just to give you just a glimpse of who this
guy is, he helped smuggle the Sepruder film or a copy
that Jim Garrison made of the Sepruder film into
Canada, where it was broadcast for the first time. It
wasn't Heralda Rivera in 1975. I was. Well, that was, I
guess, the most prominent time people saw it in the
early in the mid 70s. But Nelson went down to love
airfield in Dallas. JFK researcher, Penn Jones handed
him a copy. Remember, during the, the, the trial in
68 in New Orleans, Jim Garrison made copies of
the Sepruder film, and then he wanted to disseminate
them to get them out to researchers. This was all
done sort of seraptiously. So Nelson came up
here and he, and he gave it to a border TV station, a
CBC station, I believe it was in Windsor, and told the
program director once the color, once the test
pattern comes up, wait a few minutes and then play
this a pruder film. And then at the same time, he
alerted all of the his fellow researchers in this
area at all the universities and so forth and
instructed them to hit record on their those days
that had huge VTR videotape recorders. So they
all recorded it. Now, if you were up at three
o'clock in the morning, and you happen to be
watching that border station in Windsor, you saw
the test pattern go down, and then you saw this
a pruder film, and you're probably thinking,
what the heck was that? Well, all of these
researchers hit record. And so that one
transmission of this a pruder film probably
ended up being recorded by 50 different
researchers. And that's how this a pruder
film was first sort of disseminated to
researchers, my friend Nelson. And Nelson was
a fast is a fascinating guy. He was the
last PhD candidate student under Marshall
McLuhan, the great media guru up here in
Canada. And Marshall McLuhan, the media
is the message, the medium is the message.
And he, of course, believed that the arts
were controlled by the secret societies.
So this is sort of the lineage.
Marshall McLuhan to Nelson Thall, I interviewed
Nelson about the Beatles, and he believed
that while the Beatles were incredibly
talented, it can't take anything away from
them. No, but they had the machine
behind them. And whether we're talking
about EMI or the British Crown or the
Davestock Institute, somebody decided
that if the British were ever going to get
the colony back, the American colony
that they lost when General Cornwallis
surrendered to Lafayette in 1781, keep in
mind, he surrendered to a French general,
not to George Washington.
Interesting. They wanted the colony back.
And if you look at the War of 1812, if
you look at the Civil War, you could
look at that as a look at it through
the lens of the British attempting to
reclaim the American colony.
So the British invasion in 1964 was not
just a metaphorical British invasion.
It was an actual British invasion.
And the Beatles had been weaponized
in order to subvert American youth.
Remember, they were traumatized.
This is sort of classic MK ultra
protocol, writ large, instead of
being targeted on certain individuals.
You're targeting an entire culture, the youth culture.
They've been traumatized by the assassination
of Kennedy just three months earlier.
Now here they are on the stage, the
Ed Sullivan stage in February of 64.
And within three years, we saw
the Beatles evolve from these
innocent, you know, lyrics and
she loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I want to hold your hand.
They evolved or devolved perhaps
into psychedelia, LSD,
sexual permissiveness, challenging
authority, questioning the church
and the youth culture
evolved right along with them.
And that was the whole intention.
Subvert the youth.
If you want to control and steer
society, if you want to modify behavior,
you don't use politics, you control culture.
And that's that's what was at play there,
which is why, you know, the question
is asked a long time ago, what would
make the establishment lack of a better term
want to assassinate someone like a Jimmy
Hendrix or Elvis Presley or whatever?
And the answer is very simple.
It's the influence that these people wield
is far greater by
times 10 times 10 than any politician can.
And as Adolf Hitler says, and this goes back
to your point about social engineering,
the quote, the paraphrase of Hitler
when he says, I don't care about you
adults because I have your kids.
And that was the Hitler Eugen.
And when you look at the history
of the Hitler Eugen and the youth
that whole time, they were the last ones
that were fighting ferociously in Berlin
when the rest of the Third Reich had already fallen.
So, yes, if you want to control
the future or steer the future populations,
that is the way you do it.
And it's also, I find a correlation
and like to hear your viewpoint on it, is
it's there's a reason why pop culture
is targeted towards our youth and not us adults.
What's what's your viewpoint on that?
Well, I mentioned the Tavistock Institute
and the the Tavistock Institute
was created ostensibly after the Second World War
and they had shell shocked soldiers
returning home after the war.
And they were trying to figure out, you know,
how can we heal these broken men
and put their psyches back together?
At a certain point, somebody had the brilliant idea.
Well, if we can put a psyche back together,
can we take it apart and put it back together
that in a way that we want?
Can we mold human behavior?
Can we steer entire populations?
And so I sort of think of it as
the Ministry of Defense meets Sigmund Freud
and they quickly realized that melodies in particular.
I mean, we know how how sound and frequencies
can affect the human brain,
but they also understood how certain melodies
can bypass human reasoning.
It can bypass the intellect
and can manipulate emotions through repetitiveness.
And so the theory is that they brought in someone
like, for example, Theodore Adorno,
who was a Marxist and a social critic
from the from the Frankfurt School.
And he, while he didn't write the music for the Beatles,
perhaps he, his influence was in
determining those musical core codes
and melodies that could, again,
bypass human reasoning, affect emotion, create
while they knew what, for example, what musical
chords or codes could create
Melancholy, for example, or aggression.
And so, again, the Beatles,
instead of instead of red coats and muskets,
the British Empire was now using backbeats
and Rickenbacker guitars.
Well, nice.
Always got a little in the little violin thing.
Well, there's you talked about frequencies
and how you can subvert the conscious mind
and affect the emotions in the subconscious mind directly.
And you are so on point on that.
The example I like to use,
and I used to do a lot of live music production,
is that gifted artist, that singer, if you will,
that can go to an audience, regardless of the size
and have absolute 100 percent control of their emotions.
They can raise them up into a fury.
They can quiet them down into the still of apathy.
They can make them cry.
They can make them laugh.
They literally have the ability to pull out
whatever emotion they want out of the audience and play with them.
And that's a very powerful force.
Now, when you take that idea
and you put it into a social engineering model,
back it up with a lot of high tech science and research,
the power is absolutely tremendous.
And, you know, when you look at the youth,
the music of one's youth stays with somebody their entire life.
That's when it is branded.
And I think that in itself is a great example of the power
that the people in the Tavistock industry
and in early social engineering and also in the occult,
because then witches know all about
how to what specific frequencies do whatever to them.
So I mean, I got off on a little bit of a little bit of a tangent there.
But so is there a specific example,
a concrete example of the Beatles
that maybe would be a good demonstration, a song, a riff or whatever?
A song or riff that I don't I don't get into
too too specific detailing of, you know,
melodies or chords.
I was talking mainly about the institutions
and some of the figures that were involved
and how so you see this sort of overlapping
of people in the Tavistock Institute also involved in M.K. Altra.
And it was the system, the the the institutions,
the the scientists, the behavioralists that were involved.
But as for a certain, you know, a particular riff,
well, I guess you could look at all their music really in that in that way.
I don't think anything was left a chance.
I think it was all designed.
I mean, particularly once we got into sort of the psychedelic period
and you listen to
tracks like Tomorrow Never Knows and
you know, the sort of the backward masking
and almost these binaural beats that we hear, it's it's almost like.
What's the word I'm looking for here?
I'm struggling a little bit, but in training the human brain,
I think that I think Sergeant Pepper is is a is a perfect example.
Most of the tracks on there.
I think I think that that was a very.
Formal album.
It really changed that I saw the style of the Beatles
and it had a massive influence and culture.
You know, and there were so many.
If you just look at the album cover, the.
Almost sublime design of that when you really get into it,
people have probably studied that for years on what does every
little symbol mean?
How is it correlated?
I mean, hell, they had Alistair Crowley sitting up there in the corner.
That's me when I saw that.
I was like, oh, they're in the Crowley too.
I was like, damn, it wasn't back in those days and stuff like that.
You know, and you know, another thing that I mentioned my monologue,
which which shows the the leg, if you will, lack of better term
on the power of that band
and the mythology surrounding the band is the Paul is dead legend.
First time I heard about that was many years ago.
And, you know, first of all, I went to my big grain of salt bucket.
Interesting story.
Don't know it's true.
Can't dismiss it, but I'll entertain the idea.
Personally, I don't think that I've never seen any concrete evidence
which says that that is true.
I lean more towards no, it's not.
It's a it was a good story that was created somewhere somehow,
which to this day, what, 60, 70 years ago, still has leg.
So what's your view on that whole Paul is dead?
Lack of better term, Syop.
Well, Syop is maybe the key to this whole discussion.
But let me back up and say, I don't believe Paul McCartney died
in a car crash on November 9th, 1966.
In order to believe that, you have to believe that Brian Epstein or George
Martin or EMI or the remaining Beatles managed to find a replacement
who also played left handed base, who looked an awful lot like Paul McCartney
and was arguably even more talented than the original Paul McCartney.
I mean, yes, pre 1966 Paul McCartney wrote yesterday,
which is the most covered song, I believe, in popular music history.
But if you look at the body of work post 1966,
Hey, Jude, let it be the long and winding road.
Everything he did with wings, some of his great solo albums,
it's it stretches credulity to believe I'm open to the possibility.
However, what I found most fascinating
about the Paul is dead legend is that, as you say,
it still has legs 60 years, 60 years.
And this mythos or this legend erupted out of, you know,
we're talking 40 years before the advent of the of social media,
30, 30 years before the Internet was in wide use.
Imagine a legend like that that's still around today,
perhaps just as strong as it was 60 years ago.
Well, it really sort of took off in 1969
with a phone call to a radio station in Detroit, Michigan.
But imagine starting a rumor or a legend or a myth,
one voice at a time, one, you know, somebody telling somebody else,
telling somebody else, a newspaper column picks it up.
The fact that it it that it took on this life of its own,
I find is absolutely fascinating.
Now, the scyop aspect is interesting
because what is the motive behind this?
Was it just clever marketing?
Did the Beatles say, let's leave a trail of breadcrumbs
and, you know, it'll this legend will take off
and people will be buying up albums like crazy
with a magnifying glass looking for clues
on the cover of Sergeant Pepper
or they'll be listening to Strawberry Fields backwards.
Did he just say I buried Paul or did he say cranberry sauce?
Was it just clever marketing?
Were the Beatles just, you know, having some fun
because they were they were comedians, you know,
they love Peter Sellers and Peter Cook.
And this would be right up their alley, pulling a stunt like this.
Or was it, as you mentioned off the top, a scyop?
What were the where the executives at EMI
or or whomever was behind this, trying to figure out
if they could get, steer a population
and have them just falling all over themselves,
looking for these clues, following these breadcrumbs.
We were being led by our nose.
If they can do that, I mean, what a wonderful laboratory for them
to use the Beatles and to use this legend
to try and create a scyop.
I mean, I think that explanation is as good as any,
but I believe Paul McCartney is alive and well,
but the clues are there.
The clues are real.
The question is, who put them there and why?
Yeah, exactly.
It's like when they're walking on that crosswalk on Abbey Road,
that's one of the people.
All of the legs, except Paul's, are in the same direction
as his is opposite.
The fact that
I'm gaping on George Harrison referred to as full.
It's full as in fake Paul.
Yeah.
Yeah, John Lennon is dressed as the sort of as the vicar
Ringo Starr as the mourner.
Paul McCartney, of course, is the deceased.
He's he's not wearing shoes.
You don't, you know, you're never buried with your shoes
when they put you in the casket.
No shoes.
George Harrison sort of dressed as the grave digger.
There's a V double a Volkswagen Beetle
on the side of the road and on the license plate.
The license plate reads two eight I F twenty eight if.
Well, part Paul McCartney would have been twenty eight.
Had he lived?
So that's just one album cover with a few clues.
But there is a multitude of clues
scattered in their music and their lyrics.
It just goes on and on and on.
And it's it's just
it's so captivating people to this day.
You know, they take that straight edge mirror
and they hold it up to Sergeant Pepper
and they place it along the middle of the bass drum
where it says Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
And when you look at the reflection
on the upper half of that bass drum
and it it spells out the date of Paul McCartney's death.
Well, X one X X one.
And then it says he dies.
Nine eleven.
November 9th, 1966, he dies.
I mean, come on, that's just not happenstance.
No, it's not happenstance.
But think about just that from a social engineering standpoint.
If I take myself out of who I am
and put myself into some sociopathic social engineer
doesn't give a rat's ass about his own agenda.
What a beautiful Petri dish to have, man,
especially at that time, you're they I could see them going,
hey, let's just play around and see the effects
that we can have on culture with this.
And hey, why don't we say Paul's dead?
And then we'll put a whole bunch of breadcrumbs down here
and have everybody chasing their tails.
Explorers, like you said, buying the albums
and going these things for years and years with a fine tooth comb.
Huh, let's try it.
I guess they didn't.
It worked, man. It really worked.
But that's just an example of the timeliness in a funky sense
of rock and roll and of art.
You know, you could have a song that was written like
it wasn't long. Well, hold my hand.
Still to this day is the most recorded song.
That's the power of art and that's the power of culture.
And the Beatles was just, in my opinion,
kind of like the one of the first little psyops, if you will,
that came. And then you have, of course, the opposite,
which is Mr.
Brian Jones and the Rolling Stones and his mysterious death.
You know, they were set up as the bad boys.
You had the Beatles as the good boys.
Then you had the Stones as the bad boys.
What is that? Famous Alvin 60s or Royal Satanic wedding
or something like that?
Oh, Her Majesty's Satanic Request.
That was their response to Sergeant Pepper.
They were in this friendly competition.
So, yeah, not nearly as good as Sergeant Pepper,
but I think underrated that album.
Oh, yeah, yeah, kind of like a Don King boxing match.
Yes. You know, we're rivals.
We hate each other, but really they're still probably working
for the same people.
But we won't let that because conflict is tension and tension
release is the art is the key of good music.
Tension, release, tension and release.
And I just find that whole part of music interesting.
Now, I believe in your book,
you touched on Brian Jones's drowning.
Did you not? I did.
Section three of the book is called Killer Riffs.
And I reexamine the deaths of Brian Jones in July of 69.
Then, of course, Jimi Hendrix in September of 1970
to early entrance into the 27 Club.
And then Elvis in 77 and Kurt Cobain in 94.
Elvis, of course, not 2070 was 42,
but Kurt Cobain also part of the 27 Club.
But Brian Jones kicks off that section and death by misadventure.
Accidental drowning is the official cause of death.
But one of the themes that runs throughout that section
of the book is the rush to judgment.
And with Brian Jones, that certainly was the case.
You know, here was just another rock and roller
who drank too much, who popped too many pills,
found dead at the bottom of a pool, must have been drowning.
Nothing to see here, folks, let's move along.
But as readers will discover, there is much to see here.
And I'll leave you
with this important note, the person who performed the autopsy
on Brian Jones, Brian Jones, swimming pool,
he was living at Cotchford Farm, which was the old
A.A. Milne estate, A.A. Milne, the great British writer
who brought us Winnie the Pooh and Christopher Robin.
And Brian Jones purchased that
that farm to get away from London.
He was being hassled by the police, the police and their
superiors didn't like these long hairs influencing their children.
So they were all too happy to plant drugs or in some cases
they didn't need to plant drugs.
They didn't need to supply them. Exactly.
So he he moved down there and he was in a very sort of vulnerable
state. He'd just been fired from the band.
Mick and Keith drove down to Cotchford Farm to let him know
he was done with the Rolling Stones.
He he he was drinking so much at this point that he
he wasn't able to perform.
He would come into the studio and it would take him three hours
just to restring his guitar.
So the band was getting fed up with Brian Jones,
even though he was the founder.
He was the heart and soul of the band.
He was the flamboyant one.
The only problem was he couldn't write songs and the beat
the Rolling Stones were no longer a blues cover band.
You wanted to make it to the show to the big time.
You had to write your own music.
That's where Keith and Mick came in and Brian Jones basically got pushed aside.
And so he he retreated to Cotchford Farm.
Now I mentioned the the autopsy when he was found at the bottom of the swimming pool.
Um, ordinarily, they would have called in the coroner
from or the medical examiner, as we call them here, from Sussex.
They didn't use that coroner.
Instead, the Prime Minister of England at the time, Prime Minister Heath,
appointed his own personal physician to conduct the autopsy.
Why would he do that?
Rushed a judgment.
It smells of coverup.
Yeah, let's see.
I haven't heard. I don't know very much but about Brian Jones's story.
That's why when I saw that in your book, I was like, this is interesting.
So what do you think or do you theorize?
Might have really been behind his forming the 27 Club.
Well, I think he I think he was murdered,
whether it was murder in the first degree or whether it was.
Man slaughter, but there was a coverup.
There was a.
Quite a collection of individuals who were at Cauchford farm that night,
hangers on nurses, ex-girlfriends, present girl friends.
And a gentleman by the name of Tom Keylock, who I'm sorry, not Tom Keylock.
Was it Mike Keylock?
Anyway, he was the fixer for the Rolling Stones.
He'd recently been fired.
Keith Richards caught this this character for basically skimming.
And so he decided he would latch on to Brian Jones,
who was in a very fragile state.
So he goes down to to Cauchford farm.
He's hanging out with them.
There was also a collection of a crew of workers
who were constantly renovating Cauchford farm.
And Brian couldn't get rid of them.
And they were they were robbing Brian blind.
They were inflating prices and finding all sorts of problems,
you know, with the renovations.
Oh, we got to tear this wall down
and look what we found behind this wall.
Now we've got to fix that.
He couldn't get rid of them.
And there was a lot of tension there.
And there was a the head of the crew
was named Frank Thoreau Good.
And he and Brian would get into some pretty
big shouting matches.
Almost came to the Fisticuffs a number of times.
So was was Frank Thoreau Good involved in in Brian's death?
Did they get into into an altercation in the swimming pool
or on the edge of the swimming pool?
Frank Thoreau Good on his deathbed claims allegedly.
This is the report.
I wasn't there at his deathbed,
but it is said that he confessed to killing Brian Jones.
So, you know, why the cover up?
Well, we explore that we explore that in the book.
But there was also a relative, a brother of Tom Keylock.
His name is Frank Keylock.
He worked with Scotland Yard.
He was a detective with with Scotland Yard.
Did did he call his brother at Scotland Yard
and say we have a problem down here?
You know, the fixer calling the fixer, the fixer calling the ultimate fixer
who called the prime minister, who basically had the whole
nasty affair swept under the rug.
That's that's that's Paul.
You can heath and I believe he was big time pedophile
if I got my prime minister's right.
That's a hell of a poll when you can call your brother
and he makes a picks up the phone and the prime minister,
a picks it up and the prime minister takes charge of the cover up.
So it begs me and I'm sure you have the same question.
Why he was just a long haired rock star
that overdosed and fell into a pool and, you know, what's a big deal?
You know, there's a million of them.
So well, I didn't go to the top of the.
Yeah, the key to this.
And again, you know, this book is not a manifesto.
I don't claim to have a monopoly on the truth.
I'm simply asking questions.
We're trying to connect some some dots and we have we leave it up to the readers
to decide it appears in also included in that crowd
that July night in 1969 was an undercover member of the constabulary.
Was he trying to find drugs on Brian Jones?
Was there something else he was trying to find?
He's on the scene.
Now, all of a sudden, there is a murder, manslaughter,
murder in the second degree.
How does he explain his presence there?
He's now a witness.
Is he going to be called to testify?
You can see how the whole situation just gets out of hand gets very complicated.
And and so they had to cover this whole thing up.
And if the cover up started, the investigation started at the top,
it would make sense that you would have the top that would cover it up.
It has to be.
That's a fascinating story.
I mean, just the amount of deaths.
I went Janice Joplin died.
I have a friend who's previously passed, but he was a blues legend named Mick Martin.
And I was talking to him one day and he was like, yeah,
I was at the hotel.
I was upstairs in a hotel room right above Janice when she died.
I was like, dude, really?
He was like, yeah, we gave it just like a normal day.
We woke up in the morning and come out and there's all this activity going on.
And I was like, he was like, what's going on?
Like, dude, you haven't heard?
It's like, no, he said, Janice is dead.
And she was a 27er, wasn't she?
She was, she was.
Now, I have a now that we're getting into that 27 club,
this is something that's always fascinated me.
I have been a big time Jimi Hendrix fan.
I think for his time, he was one of the few freaks in nature that we get
blessed with in music that completely changes the whole game.
And that was Jimi Hendrix.
So I'm not sure if I was when I read it in weird scenes inside
the canyon or maybe another book, but it talks about his manager.
Actually, this is a story having Jimmy killed.
And some people have said the question is why it's simple.
He's worth more money dead than alive.
And then to at the time, I believe Jimmy was about ready to let the guy go.
Do you know anything about that whole Jimmy Hendrix death?
Is there something behind it that we're not being told?
Yeah, that's that's the story.
His manager was a former British Intel.
Killer, one of these guys who, you know, if he got when he got into the cops,
he would happily tell you that he could kill you with his finger,
you know, his baby finger.
He believed him.
He did serve during the Suez crisis in 1956 with the British.
And he was basically a trained killer.
And I spoke with Jimmy's former road manager, James Tappey Wright,
who is no longer with us.
But at the time I spoke to him back in 2017, 2018,
he was kind of the last man standing.
Jimmy, of course, long gone.
All the members of Jimmy experience, Jimmy Hendrix experience dead.
I believe Monica Danimann is still alive.
Jimmy's ex-girlfriend.
I'm not sure about Kathy etching him.
I think they're both alive.
But anyway, James is no longer with us either.
So, but he believed Mike Jeffrey when Mike Jeffrey told him to his face in private.
I had to do it, Jimmy or James, I had to do it.
And he called him Tappey, right?
I had to do it, Tappey.
And Tappey Wright said, what do you mean?
What are you talking about, Mike?
He said, I had no other choice.
I had to do it.
He just kind of left it there.
But Tappey Wright knew what he meant.
Um, this story that Jimmy Hendrix took too many barbiturates one night and then aspirated
on his own vomit.
It's interesting that when he was taken to the hospital, I think it was St.
Mary's in London, where he was staying with his girlfriend, Monica Danimann,
before he departed for the Isle of Wight Music Festival.
He never made it, of course.
But, um, the medical attendants found Jimmy's hair soaked with red wine.
His clothes were soaked with red wine.
There was no red wine in his blood.
There was no red wine in his stomach.
There was red wine in his lungs, as if someone may be familiar with a technique
we now refer to as waterboarding poured red wine right down Jimmy's
nose, down his throat, and he basically drowned.
He was drowned after being sedated by barbiturates.
So why would Mike Jeffrey have that done?
As you alluded to Jimmy's contract with Mike Jeffrey was soon to expire.
And Jimmy finally got wise to the game that Mike Jeffrey was playing with him.
Again, it's almost like classic MK ultra.
Mike Jeffrey had Jimmy Hendricks exhausted.
He was constantly touring, performing.
He had these crazy tour schedules where he would be out on the West Coast
and then he would suddenly have to go to the East Coast.
This was all white design.
He wanted to keep, he had Jimmy signing things.
He had no idea what he was signing.
It was just like an overload of stimulus.
He just, he couldn't keep up with what was happening.
And this, again, it's MK ultra, like it's almost like trauma.
And he controlled Jimmy and he made Jimmy aware that without Mike Jeffrey,
he would be tossed to the wolves.
There was an incident in New York where Jimmy Hendricks was kidnapped
and he was being held by these mobsters.
Jimmy later found out that it was Mike Jeffrey who arranged
for his kidnapping so that he could come in and rescue Jimmy
like a knight in shining armor.
He, he then told Jimmy Hendricks, you know, without me,
you're not going to survive.
I rescued you, you know, it became almost like the Stockholm syndrome.
And when the contract was between the two was about to expire,
Mike Jeffrey panicked.
He owed the mob a lot of money.
And Jimmy Hendricks was Jimmy Hendricks was his cash cow.
Well, the studio that Jimmy owned in New York,
Electric Lady Land had some had some structural issues.
And Mike Jeffrey was constantly sending James Tappy Wright
over to New Jersey to see his friends
and was always bringing back paper bags full of cash to pay the workers.
This was the reconstruction of the studio was being paid for by the mob.
And without without Jimmy, Mike Jeffrey would have been in big trouble.
Yeah, the mob don't like it when you pay.
Story that popped in my mind of a friend, Chuck, Chuck O'Chelley,
and he grew up in Jersey.
And he told me the story one time about Trump.
He was at Atlantic City and there was a big Trump event.
I think it was a restaurant.
I'm sure what it was.
And he ran into some Italian businessman that he knew growing up.
And they're like, Hey, check, he glasses, because the dude was blind.
And they called the class.
Hey, let's go to the back room area.
And, you know, probably thinking here comes Donald Trump.
Just glad he had it.
Everybody walked up says hi, hi, hi.
You know, this is back of the day, long, long time
before he even had political aspirations.
And they made an interesting statement when he walked away
because you could tell they had complete disdain for the guy.
They said, yeah, that guy rips off everybody.
That's just his way.
The only people he doesn't rip off are us.
This was a story to Chuck.
I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
because he knows what happens with a mob.
I mean, you know, a bank, well, OK, we're going to foreclose legal things.
The mob, no, they just disappear and get stuffed in a 55 gallon barrel
cut up with a much cement.
And that's or you could get buried in the column of a stadium.
But yeah.
Yeah.
What an important detail I neglected to mention was that Mike Jeffrey
had a life insurance policy on Jimi Hendrix.
Otherwise, you know, why kill the the golden, the golden calf?
If you're or the golden cow, if you're not, if you're not going to profit from it.
So if Jimmy was going to sever ties with his manager,
manager better have, you know, a life insurance policy in place.
And I mean, the record companies did as well.
That was standard procedure.
But for Mike Jeffrey to have a life insurance policy on him is a little unusual.
So do you think that Mike Jeffries did the hit, made the hit?
Or was he just a benefactor of the hit?
Could have been any any or all of those.
I don't know that he was necessarily there in that basement apartment
in in was it Harold Smith, the Harold Smith District of London or Mayfair.
May have ordered the hit.
He may have been there.
Hard to say.
But the other point I raise in the chapter is could he have managed
to cover up on his own without his intelligence connections?
You know, that old saying, once CIA always CIA wants some wants in the mob,
you don't retire.
Right.
So I suspect that Mike Jeffrey still had some pretty important connections.
I'll give you an example of how connected he was.
Jimi Hendrix came to Toronto to perform and he was busted at the
airport.
They found drug paraphernalia in his suitcase.
We're talking about early 1970.
And it was a setup.
Jimmy was stunned that they found this in his suitcase.
And he swore up and down, you know, get to his girlfriend at the time,
Kathy Etchingham, you know, you know, I quit.
I quit this stuff months ago or a year ago.
I don't this isn't mine.
He probably could have been sentenced, you know, to, who knows,
10, 15 years in jail back in the 70s.
That was a big deal, you know, to have drug paraphernalia.
Now it's all legal.
People are shooting up next to playgrounds, but back then it was a big deal.
Mike Jeffrey once again swoops in like the night on shining in shining armor
and somehow managed to pull strings and got Jimmy off.
So there again, he tells Jimmy, you know,
you'd be nothing without me.
You know, you won't last a minute out on the street without me.
So it's a typical Stockholm.
Yeah, it is.
It's like MK, ultra type programming.
Well, I mean, considering that he was, I believe in my six.
So he comes from like like hardcore intelligence
where we learned it from the British.
So it would it's not out of the realms of possibility.
In fact, it's within the realms of possibility
because once CIA, always CIA, once in my six, always CIA, in my six,
he still has connections and also know that intelligence loves
working with the mob.
I mean, they're like home, die, just to look at the JFK and not all situation.
So that that's interesting.
I mean, they're around as you were talking to about that,
I couldn't help but see similarities with the Colonel and Elvis
where his whole life was controlled by this man.
He kept him tired.
He kept him ragged.
He kept him on the road.
I was talking about this earlier on the way Kayak with my friends
that Elvis Presley was a commodity.
That's all that he was.
He did not own his life.
The Colonel owned his life and 25 percent of everything he made.
Fifty, 50, 50.
Yes. He said I was 20 for 50.
Can you believe that Eddie Arnold, very early early on in Elvis's career
when he signed on with with the Colonel, Eddie Arnold,
a great country singer pulled him aside and said, son,
this is not a good deal. What are you doing?
He tried to talk him out of it, but Elvis was naive and he was appreciative.
You know, he believed that Colonel had his best interests at heart.
And of course, he didn't.
Right. Yeah.
Just like Jimmy thought, Mr.
Jefferies had their best interests at heart when they when they didn't.
There's a brilliant story about the Colonel
from Dolly Parton, who I have the world
respect for musically, business wise.
Right. A few things that disagree with her,
especially when it comes to a few things a few years ago.
But she told this story about the song
I will always love you, the big Whitney Houston, her big thing.
Right. Well, back in the day, Elvis was going to record it.
And she was like, wow, I mean, fantastic.
Elvis Presley went at this is the height of Elvis.
So she gets a phone call from the Colonel.
The Colonel said,
um, hi, Dolly, Dolly, I just want to know we're in the studio right now.
We're getting ready to record your song.
But before we do, Elvis needs 50 percent of your publishing rights.
And being the brilliant woman that she was, she said in that country tone,
Oh, Colonel,
that just that just breaks my heart.
My Colonel, I can't do that.
You know, that's my moneymaker song.
Oh, Colonel, I was so looking forward to hearing Elvis sing my song.
Oh, oh, I'm just so disappointed.
Colonel, no.
And literally walked away from it
because she was an astute business person.
Yeah. And she called it right off.
Colonel, that is my moneymaker.
And it was her moneymaker.
And, boy, considering the kahoonas of anybody telling the Colonel
at the height of Elvis's career, no, I'm good.
God can just go home.
I'm going to keep that song.
But he was a very, from what I understand, a manipulative person,
probably a little bit sociopathic, like so many of those people
in the music business.
Sorry, you know, I've always found it
being a paradox of the music industry.
How on the on stage side,
it's amazing, the amount of love and influence and everything it has.
I mean, a guy can walk up on stage and have a hundred thousand people
all singing and dancing together and having the time of their life.
But the backstage is probably the music business,
probably one of the most ruthless businesses out there.
And you're talking about straight up sharks.
I've known a lot of very, very accomplished and talented musicians.
They're not good business people.
That's it. Most of them aren't.
Few exceptions like Miss Dahlia and some other ones are.
But so much of the time, the music industry understands that.
They understand that.
Like, you don't have to you.
You have to give enough to the artist to think they're doing good.
And they're not going to even question
what's getting sent out the back door.
It's like stacks records, I believe it was the guy that ran stacks.
I'm sure there's muddy waters or what.
But basically, he'd give him a salary and a brand new Cadillac every year.
And these people thought that they were like, oh, my God, I've made it.
They didn't know that no, that guy.
The reason to do that is that was like throwing chump change.
These artists, because the money that he was making on the back end
was millions and millions of dollars.
And in the music business, there's so many nefarious nefarious characters,
whether it be from a business standpoint,
whether it be from an intelligence standpoint.
And since we're on the the the topics of people dying mysteriously
in 27 Club, another one that I have another story.
Another death has been Kurt Cobain's.
And that's more recent.
I remember when he died, I was in the 90s.
I'm like, whoa, was a big Kurt Cobain fan at the time.
But I'm like, wow, that is a major impact on the music.
And of course, it was he's just a junkie who OD, you know, nothing to see here.
He's just a junkie.
He ruined one of the most great bands there were in Nevada.
He's a junkie. He's a junkie.
And then I read the book, Soaked in Bleach by Tom Grant.
And for everybody out there, Tom Grant was the private investigator
that Courtney Love hired about a week or so very shortly before Kurt died.
Yeah, he went missing from rehab.
There was an intervention at his home in Seattle.
It was kind of staged.
It wasn't necessary.
He wasn't a heroin addict.
In fact, even Dave Grohl refused to participate
because he realized it was a complete canard.
It was just a fiasco.
So he was he begrudgingly agreed to check himself
into a rehab center in Marina del Marina, Marina del Rey in California.
And basically went in, signed the register, turned on his heels
and marched right out again, disappeared into the night.
And because he was basically missing for for about a week
up until he was found in the greenhouse above his garage on April the eighth.
That's when Courtney Love decided to hire Tom Grant.
Conveniently, she was also in rehab in Beverly Hills,
which Tom Grant thought at the time,
wow, isn't that convenient?
She has an alibi.
These are things.
These are all, of course, allegations.
Never been proven in court.
She denies them vehemently.
So I had to get that out of the way.
But allegedly, allegedly, people, exactly, allegedly, reportedly.
So again, another I mentioned earlier, this rush to judgment.
We saw it with Brian Jones.
We saw it with Jimi Hendrix.
We saw it with Elvis.
Oh, he died of a heart attack.
No, he didn't.
His heart was not the greatest for a 42 year old man who,
you know, weight deep fried banana and peanut butter sandwiches for five days a week.
He could have been a little healthier, but he had a full physical three weeks
before he was about to launch on another tour.
His heart was he gave he got a clean bill of health from the insurance company.
So rushed to judgment, rushed to judgment with Kurt Cobain as well,
that it was a suicide.
Oh, he's a heroin junkie.
There's a suicide note.
Look, he put a shotgun in his mouth.
Case closed, move on.
Next, whoops, not so fast, not so fast.
A lot of very nagging questions still surround the death of Kurt Cobain.
Yeah, it really does.
And then it goes back to kind of the same thing with
Jeffries and Hendrix with Courtney and Kurt.
Kurt was about ready to divorce Courtney.
And she was like, uh, that ain't happening.
And then two, he's more valuable to her dead than alive
because she owns the publishing rights.
Everything that he owned now defaults to her because she's his wife.
She is also, and this is according to Hank Harrison, her dad, which I knew.
Well, he's like, no, she's a straight up psychopath of the highest order.
My daughter is a psychopath to the highest order.
And just looking at all of the anomalies around that case
and how conveniently the Seattle police, who Courtney, the lead investigator,
was very, very good friends with the lead investigator.
Everything got brushed under the rug, nothing to see here.
Looking at the forensic evidence, if you shot yourself in the head
and your heart's pumping, there should be blood everywhere.
But there wasn't, huh?
It was fired from a right hand position, but he was left handed, huh?
The length of the barrel to the trigger
is one that you would have to use your toe to do, huh?
Oh, yeah.
And after he took a lethal dose of three times the least lethal
dose of heroin, he conveniently was able to take his rig
and put it back into his shoot-up box.
Huh? Yeah, he would have been rendered.
He would have been rendered unconscious within seconds.
Three times the lethal.
Now that toxicology report.
There's some dispute as to where that figure came.
Three times the lethal dose.
Of course, heroin metabolizes in the blood
as morphine.
So three times the lethal dose of morphine.
Some are speculating that that was actually Courtney Love
who put that out there.
So there is some dispute about that.
But you mentioned the shotgun.
Now, I'm not a hunter, but I have held shotguns in my hand.
I know how cumbersome a weapon that can be.
Add to the length of the barrel another six inches
because there was a flash suppressor on the back
on the end of the shotgun.
So unless he had arms like Abraham Lincoln, there's no way.
Plus, of course, he's, you know,
under the influence of whacked out on.
Yes, exactly.
So he places the business end of the barrel in his mouth,
what they call an in oral.
It's in oral.
He places the gun and and you would imagine
the the exit wound would have been absolutely catastrophic.
So in addition to blood, there would have been.
Sorry to be so graphic.
There would have been a brain splatter all over the place.
None of that, none of that.
The fingerprints on the weapon were unusable.
There wasn't really any definitive linking
of the fingerprints on the weapon to Kurt Cobain.
You mentioned, you know, how implausible it is
that he would be able to reach the trigger with his with his arm.
Could he do it with his toe, perhaps?
But both shoes were were on when they found his body.
I mean, it gets even more basic than this.
They can't even determine the day of his death.
Normally, you know, they can put time of death
within 12 hours, either side.
And that's being, you know, very liberal.
They can't even determine whether he died on April 5th,
April 6th or April 4th.
So the whole timeline is very confusing as well.
Then there's the suicide note, the so-called suicide note,
which was found stabbed into a flower pot,
the soil in a flower pot with a red pen.
It's really two notes in one.
The first part of the note, I suppose,
if you if in a stretch, you could say it was a suicide.
It was he was saying goodbye,
but really he was it was more like a love letter to his fans.
And an explanation as to why he decided it was time for him
to step back from the music industry, step back from Nirvana.
He really hated what was happening in the music industry.
He hated the way he was being branded.
He absolutely detested as being known as the voice of a generation.
He even started resenting the people that were showing up at his at his concerts.
He just wanted out and he wanted to dedicate more time
to his his daughter, Francis Bean, who he absolutely adored.
He could have walked away. He was ready.
So that's the first part of the note.
The second part of the note seems to have been tacked on.
And a number of, I think, three.
Handwriting analysts have not testified in court,
but have told researchers it doesn't match.
The handwriting in the second half of the note
does not match the first half.
Now, it gets even more sinister, let's say.
Tom Grant, you mentioned the private investigator hired by Courtney
to find Kurt after he disappeared.
Tom Grant got to speaking with their lawyer, Rosemary Carroll.
Rosemary was Tom, was Kurt and Courtney's lawyer.
They both discovered what they referred to as practice sheets
that were found, I believe, in a backpack that belonged to Courtney.
Um, as if she were practicing Kurt's handwriting style.
Well, she needed more practice because, again, these handwriting
analysis say analysts say not a match, not even close.
So the second part of that note written in another person's hand,
that's when it becomes more overt, you know, goodbye, Courtney,
goodbye, Francis Bean, I can't go on, that sort of thing.
So again, that's pretty suspect.
And you mentioned the divorce.
There were rumors that they were thinking of divorce,
but Rosemary Carroll also came forward and said that,
that the will had been changed.
Kurt had changed the will, but he hadn't signed it yet.
So time, the timing of his demise was of the essence.
If that was indeed the motive.
It sounds like there was, you know, when I look at it, my thing
is yeah, Courtney might not have fulfilled the hit,
but she put the hit out and the rest is history.
Nothing to see here, folks.
Rest of judgment.
He's a junkie.
Allegedly reportedly.
Allegedly reported.
Just so many people have died.
I mean, um, it's like I wanted to get into a little bit of the
Jimi Hendrix and the woohoo things.
And we're, we're down to about 20 minutes left.
So, and I also wanted to cover, uh, touch your, your friends.
Um, what happened to your friend?
Because that when you're telling me, uh, on the pre-show about that
experience and I've had things like that happen, not the exact same one,
but things you just can't explain.
So, um, God, I really want to get into the, the OTO stuff, but I think
that we don't have enough time and I want to cover your friend.
What happened with that?
So, um, why don't we just skip to skip the loo, my darling, and give us
a background on your friend, who he was, what he meant to you.
And then just take it from there.
So the, the book is dedicated in part to my late collaborator
partner, our Gary Patterson, my friend, our Gary Patterson.
He was, um, uh, great musician.
He was known as the Fox Mulder of rock and roll.
He wrote probably the definitive book on the whole Paul is dead legend.
It was called the walrus was Paul.
Now, our Gary Patterson was, um, writing sort of from a skeptical
point of view.
He didn't believe that Paul McCartney was dead and we share that, that
view, but he, he did examine the clues in great detail.
And he loved to talk about, uh, all the clues on Sergeant Pepper.
Every time we got together, he'd pull out that straight edge
mirror and, and point out all the different clues.
Oh, look, there's a hand over Paul's head in Eastern mysticism.
You know, that's a blessing on the dead look that, that, that
little doll, um, you know, covered in blood and she's sitting
on someone's lap and that person is wearing a bloodied racing
glove left handed, uh, you know, the whole album cover is a
funerial scene.
Anyway, he loved to talk about that.
And then coincidentally, he died on the 50th, maybe not
coincidentally, he died on the 50th anniversary of the release
of Sergeant Pepper in the UK, May 17th, uh, 2017.
The album came out May 17th, 1967.
Uh, anyway, we were working, um, to launch a radio program.
It was called the spirit of rock.
It later became a podcast after he died called, uh, the
rock and roll Twilight Zone, but we were in communication
constantly by phone.
Um, I forget what we were using back in the, um, 2015,
2016, 2017, I don't know if Google meet meeting was around
then, but we were constantly, uh, three, four, five times a
week, we were having, you know, meetings and collaborating
online and over the phone, trying to launch this radio
show and we had produced a pilot and, um, Gary lived down
in, uh, Oliver Springs, Tennessee, a little coal mining
civil war era town just outside of, uh, Knoxville.
And so he had met with the general manager at a radio
station in Knoxville, played the pilot, um, and he loved
it and he wanted the show on the air.
We were getting ready to launch and we thought this
will be our flagship station and maybe eventually we'll
build, we'll get it syndicated and we'll build a bit
of a network.
Then, uh, Gary dies, uh, and how I found out about
it is kind of strange.
Um, but I should back up, um, the night he died
or the day he died, I got a phone call from
Gary, nothing unusual there.
I remember I was in the basement just in the, the,
the room adjacent to my studio here.
I saw his name come up on my call display, caller ID,
R. Gary Patterson.
And it was pitch blackout.
I remember this because, um, it was a weird night,
but I was wandering around my house with the phone
talking to Gary and he had called to tell me that
the meeting that he was to have, uh, to finalize
things for the radio show in Knoxville had been
postponed because this was on a Friday.
It was supposed to take place on the Monday, the
next Monday, Monday was Memorial Day, Memorial
Day in the United States.
So we were heading into Memorial Day weekend.
And then Gary said some things to me that were
just kind of out of the blue and strange.
He said to me, um, you know, Richard, you're
a really cool dad.
And I thought, what's that all about?
Why would he say that?
I mean, he was Gary was one of the most easy
going, friendliest persons I ever met.
Never heard, uh, you know, a sour tone in his
voice in all the years I knew him.
And then a little while later, he said to me,
you know, Richard, you and I are a really big deal.
And I thought, okay, this is Gary's way of sort
of building this up, you know, building up
a confidence.
We're about to launch this radio show.
And I'm wandering the house with the phone to
my ear and I wandered through the kitchen
and my wife is in the kitchen with my brother
in law, her brother, they watch me, they
watch me pass through the kitchen.
And then the next thing I know, I'm in another
part of the house and I, it's, it's just
very strange.
Everything about this, it's almost surreal.
But I know that it's dark out.
It's pitch, it's pitch black out.
And in May, May 17th, I looked it up
recently, the sun sets at around 830, 815, 830.
Well, it was pitch black out.
So I'm guessing it was nine, 10 o'clock
at night when he called.
Anyway, before we hung up the phone,
the last thing I said to Gary was,
so Memorial Day weekend coming up,
are you going to have a barbecue?
And for the first time in all the years
I knew Gary, he got kind of curt with me.
And he said, just flatly, there will be no barbecue.
And I thought, oh, dear, have I stepped in a landmine here?
Have I opened up some, I don't know, wound?
Is there something going on with his family?
There'll be no barbecue.
I don't even remember, remember how the call ended.
I don't remember asking him, is the meeting
going to be rescheduled in Knoxville?
I don't remember any of that.
I just remember there will be no barbecue.
I hung up the phone that night.
The mighty Aphrodite, that's my, my lovely bride.
We went to bed and every night
since we've been married, we listened to coast to coast AM.
That night, we both fell asleep.
We missed the entire show, very out of the ordinary.
Never happened before.
We fell asleep, missed the show.
Had we listened, I would have heard the guest host
that night, Dave Schrader, announced that
our Gary Patterson had died that day.
Our Gary was a regular on coast to coast
with George Norrie talking about all the things
we're talking about now.
So I woke, I wake up the next morning
unaware that Gary has passed.
I go down, down the stairs, out the front door,
sit on the porch with my coffee,
checking emails, Facebook messages.
There was a Facebook message from Dave Schrader
saying, Richard, I don't know if you heard
the show last night.
I know you were good friends with our Gary.
Thought you'd like to know he died yesterday.
And I laughed.
I thought, give me a break.
I just talked to Gary last night.
I call Gary's phone.
I get the outgoing message.
Gary, it's Richard.
Some confusion here.
The folks at coast seem to think you're dead.
Give me a call.
I waited.
No, no call because it ended up being true.
I rush upstairs.
The mighty Aphrodite is just climbing out of bed.
She sees my ashen complexion.
She says she can tell there's something wrong.
What happened? What's wrong?
I said, Gary's dead.
And without my prompting her,
she said, you were just talking to him last night.
And I said, I thought I was.
I thought I was.
She said, well, check your out.
Your, your reasons on your phone.
I checked.
There was no incoming call that Friday night.
There was no outgoing call.
In fact, I didn't talk to anybody on the phone,
according to my reasons.
Now he did call on Wednesday.
I remember that.
I was picking my boys up from Greek school.
I remember the call we talked about.
He's upcoming meeting in Knoxville.
There was the call from Gary on Wednesday.
Nothing on the Friday.
So I flew down to Knoxville and then took a cab
into Oliver Springs to attend the funeral.
There's Gary in this beautiful.
Blue metallic blue coffin.
He's got his Fender guitar up on a little stand
in front of the in front of the casket.
There's his brother, Mike, who I'd never met in person.
But he, Gary and I spoke of his brother quite often.
Went up to pay my condolences, shook Mike's hand.
He was so appreciative that I'd made it made it down
from Toronto and he said, Gary spoke of you often
and he was so excited about this radio program.
So I asked Mike two questions.
I didn't tell him about the phone call.
That it happened the night he died.
I said, Mike, two things.
What time did Gary pass?
And it was sudden.
It was a heart attack.
He said it was about five o'clock, five o'clock in the afternoon.
And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
It was well past dark when I talked to him.
I didn't tell I didn't let on that I'd spoken to Mike about this.
It wasn't the time or the place.
Then I said, last time I spoke to your brother,
I asked him if he was having a barbecue on Memorial Day weekend.
And he was kind of curt with me.
He said, there'll be no barbecue.
Any idea why Gary would say that to me?
And Michael looked at me.
He cocked his head.
He looked very confused.
He said, he said that to you?
I said, yeah, he said, there'll be no barbecue.
And he said, that's funny.
He said, because that afternoon, the day he died,
he was driving all over town looking for a brand new barbecue.
He ended up spending $500 on this.
I don't know if it was a Napoleon grill, this beautiful grill.
And then he spent the rest of the afternoon
up until he died practically, putting that thing together.
There was no barbecue.
Gary knew there would be no barbecue.
So am I misremembering things?
Am I conflating things?
I am open to any and all possibilities
because there's hardly a day that goes by
that I don't think about what happened just past nine years ago.
I can't explain it.
I won't even pretend I have the answers.
I'm conflicted by it as an Orthodox Christian.
Why me of all people, if Gary was reaching out
from beyond the grave, would he call me,
not members of his family?
Maybe he did.
I don't know.
But that's all detailed.
In chapter 16 of the book, and the title of the chapter is,
There Will Be No Barbecue.
But I think you're on mute there.
Oh, I am.
Well, thank you there.
I'm back.
Okay, there you go.
There you go.
I've had things that I can't describe happen to me.
And from a Christian standpoint, I understand that
when you talk about the infinite compared to the finite,
the finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite reality.
So there has to be some liaison between it.
That's where the Bible and religion comes in,
to bridge that gap between the two.
And the thing that I've learned is that the world,
the universe, life, whatever one wants to call it,
is far more mysterious than what we get credit for.
And things exist out of our realm,
of perception that we know nothing of.
An experience that happened to me was I was a teenager,
my aunt lived on an Indian reservation in Sierra Nevada,
mountain range.
And I had this very short but emotionally powerful dream,
and it was just me at night standing out in the forest,
looking at the back of a Volkswagen,
an old oxidized Volkswagen with a hood off,
and right next to me was this big tree.
So the whole next day, I'm tripping on this dream,
partly why I'm tripping on this dream
is why am I tripping on this dream.
It was quick, it was just whether,
and it was just constantly on my mind all day long.
Later that evening, my cousin comes over,
and everybody on the reservation's related, and the town.
And he's like, hey man, when we go over to my place,
I want to show you my car that I'm working on.
He says, okay, so we wander a mile or so down the road
and go to his property and they live.
And he says, hey man, there's my car.
Richard, I kid you not, I was looking at the same car
in the same forest with the same tree on my left-hand side.
Now as a teenager, that was a real eye-opener
and a little bit of a brain-breaker that how did this happen?
There is nothing in physics, there's nothing in science,
and I was a science geek to the bone
that could explain the experience I just had.
Now to somebody who's never had those esoteric experiences,
I mean honestly, no explanation will be suffice,
but those that have no explanation is needed.
So when you get into your experience,
I'm like, yeah, that is definitely in the realms of possibility.
I've had things like that with, I had my best friend,
my ex-girlfriend, about, oh my god, 16 years ago,
died suddenly of ovarian cancer.
Like within three weeks, she was from, oh, I don't feel good,
a little over three was dead, okay, checked out up with the angels.
Well, I remember, and I was her medical advocate,
so it was my responsibility as per her directions
that she was not going to be hooked on my life support.
I was the one that had to make the call to pull the plug.
So I had a celebration in the hospital and I said,
okay doc, it's time to go and I just broke.
I just lost it.
I said, I can't be around here, man, I can't deal with this.
So I went off to the parking lot and had a cigarette.
It's back when I used to smoke.
And I heard her voice audibly in my head, Richard,
saying, David, where are you?
I'm scared, where are you?
And oh, I'm getting chills thinking about that.
Me too, me too.
And I was just like, oh, shit, I need to get back.
And I sprinted full force to get to her room
within about a minute of them turning off everything.
And we watched her EKG go dee, dee, dee, dee.
So yeah, man, this is a strange thing.
Part of what I wanted to get into is the esoteric.
The Jimmy Colts, the Alistair Crowley,
and everything like that.
But we're flat out running out of time, my friend.
It's that simple.
I will have to have you back.
We'll get down and funky and we'll get all of Coltie
and Alistair Crowley and Lame and everything like that.
But I've really enjoyed our conversation night.
And I just can't believe that we're already at the end of the show.
That's why I love conversations.
They take on a life of their own.
And the next thing you know, you're like, oh, we're done.
Damn, it's like the roller coaster ride.
Just as you're like, yeah, ride on.
All of a sudden, you go to the last hump
and you go in there to get off the ride
and let somebody else go in there.
It's like a helter-skelter.
That's another chapter in the book.
Oh, gee, I've got, I mean, I've got pages,
couple pages of notes and everything on that book.
So before we get out of here, why don't you let everybody
know once again where you can be found,
where your book, when your book's going to go on sale,
where they can get it.
And also, everybody, if you're going to buy it,
it's probably on everybody else.
But if you can, buy it from Trine Day,
buy it from the publisher, buy it from Chris Milligan.
I'm sure you probably get a better cut than Amazon.
And plus, you're supporting local businesses, real businesses,
not the Megalith AI companies are out there.
So with that being said, I will pass the torch to you, Mr. Richard.
All right.
First, I'll give a little plug for my podcast.
Richard Serret Strange Planet drops every Monday, Wednesday,
Friday available wherever you find your podcast, Spotify, iTunes,
Apple, you name it.
StrangePlanet.ca is the website, StrangePlanet.ca for Canada.
You can also subscribe to my free monthly newsletter
from the website.
It's called Inner Sanctum.
And the newsletters are a little more, let's say, subversive.
Recently published the June issue,
which was about the tick agenda and the strange alpha gel,
red meat allergy, perhaps as a result of Lone Star tick bites
and the connection to Bill Gates and so forth,
Inner Sanctum, StrangePlanet.ca.
I'll be doing Coast to Coast on July 24th and 25th.
The book, Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone,
you can find out more information at therockandrolltwilightzone.com,
therockandrolltwilightzone.com, available for pre-order.
Pre-order is important, I'm told.
I'm new to this business.
But if you could pre-order, that would be great.
It comes out July 9th.
Well, fantastic.
Everybody go out there when that thing comes out
and get yourself a good book and support this man.
By the way, while you were talking about your podcast,
I went on here because I'm on a Mac
and I subscribed to your podcast.
So you have a new listener, Richard, me.
Thank you, nature boy.
You're welcome.
So yeah, we're definitely gonna have to come back on.
But with that, I'm gonna put a pin in this
because it's time for me to go make some dinner
and being that I'm the cook, bottle washer, and maternity
all together.
If I don't feed myself, ain't nobody gonna do it.
So with that being said, everybody,
thanks all you badass savages in the chat.
So y'all have been just off the charts tonight.
Thanks to everybody who's listening out there live,
if you're listening down the road.
Thank you.
If you're listening to my audio podcast, thank you.
And also if you haven't followed the show,
whether it be an audio podcast or the video,
could you just hit that follow button and
if you're on the audio, leave me a comment.
Even if it says nature boy, you suck.
Get off the air.
Give me five star ratings with that
because that helps me in the algorithms.
So, you know, I love my heat listeners.
All right.
So that being said, it is a worldwide broadcast.
I have listeners from all over the world.
So wherever you're listening or watching this show,
you have a good day.
You have a better night.
We'll see you next Friday.