WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.520 Well the answer to that is Aleister Crowley. Yes, the Beast 666 himself. In addition, he's 00:09.520 --> 00:16.980 also the one that showed the peace sign to Winston Churchill during World War II. When 00:16.980 --> 00:25.060 you look into occult history, it's actually the sign of Typhon. Now the rock and roll 00:25.060 --> 00:30.960 industry is full of mysteries from its birth even to today. Here's one 00:30.960 --> 00:39.420 that I've always liked. Paul is dead. Paul McCartney. According to the story, he 00:39.420 --> 00:47.940 died in a car accident in the mid-60s and was replaced by Billy Shears. Is it true? 00:47.940 --> 00:56.520 Is it not? We don't know. I do. I don't think it's real. But nonetheless, that 00:56.520 --> 01:04.400 story, that legend, if you will, is still alive today. And when you peel back the 01:04.400 --> 01:13.420 onions, the onion, excuse me, of the music industry from the Laurel Canyon days to 01:13.420 --> 01:20.360 the Mickey Mouse Club, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, and all these interesting 01:20.900 --> 01:28.140 organizations and people that surround them. It makes one think. Are we being 01:28.140 --> 01:35.120 told the truth when it comes to the music industry? Is there some dark hand 01:35.120 --> 01:41.080 behind it? Aleister Crowley. He comes through the music industry over and 01:41.080 --> 01:46.520 over again. He was on the Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart Club album. Look up 01:46.520 --> 01:53.900 in the corner. There's a picture of Aleister. He was followed by Jimmy Page, 01:54.060 --> 02:04.100 none of them himself. A lot of big names follow dark esoteric philosophies. And 02:04.100 --> 02:09.080 a lot of strange things happen in the music business. The 27 Club, the list 02:09.080 --> 02:14.580 goes on and on. 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I think I 05:11.920 --> 05:13.720 got everything done. Now let's get on with the show. 05:15.260 --> 05:21.060 Tonight's guest is Richard Sret. Sarah, excuse me. He's a 05:21.060 --> 05:25.620 longtime host of Strange Planet. He's also a frequent guest on 05:25.620 --> 05:29.840 Coast to Coast AM and the creator of the conspiracy show. 05:30.600 --> 05:34.380 Richard's first book, and I'll let him tell you about it, Tales 05:34.380 --> 05:39.880 from Rock and Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone digs 05:39.880 --> 05:43.960 into the strange history and dark side of the music 05:43.960 --> 05:48.940 industry. With years of calm, thoughtful interviews on 05:48.940 --> 05:55.140 Hidden Truce and the unexplained, he always brings a steady 05:55.140 --> 05:59.880 voice to the conversation. Richard, welcome my friend to the 05:59.880 --> 06:00.500 third rail. 06:01.280 --> 06:02.960 Nature boy, great to be here. 06:03.660 --> 06:08.700 Likewise, likewise, man. As I was, you know, researching you 06:08.700 --> 06:12.160 and when I got the first, you know, from Todd, our friend 06:12.160 --> 06:15.140 who put out the, you know, the promo, I was like, Oh, I 06:15.140 --> 06:17.920 got to get this cat on, man. He's right up my line. I 06:17.920 --> 06:21.140 love music. I love funky stuff. And I love the convergence of it. 06:21.200 --> 06:25.340 I love Richard talking to people like you who know far more 06:25.340 --> 06:30.000 about it than I do. So for my audience out there that may not 06:30.000 --> 06:34.880 be familiar with you, who is Richard Sret? And more 06:34.880 --> 06:37.120 importantly, where can you be found and where can they get 06:37.120 --> 06:38.300 this cool book of yours, man? 06:38.640 --> 06:43.620 Who is Richard Sret? He is an enigma wrapped in a riddle 06:43.620 --> 06:52.440 dipped in a chocolatey coating. I am a lover of terrestrial 06:52.440 --> 06:57.460 radio. I began my, well, I worked my entire adult career, my 06:57.460 --> 07:05.000 entire adult life really, in radio, started out at a big 50,000 07:05.000 --> 07:07.500 watt below torch station, worked behind the scenes as a 07:07.500 --> 07:11.420 producer, eventually got my own show, had to figure out how 07:11.420 --> 07:15.620 am I going to fill two hours of airtime on a Sunday night? And 07:16.220 --> 07:18.940 aside from Art Bell in those days, there was nothing, there was 07:18.940 --> 07:24.120 no one really talking about alternative everything in radio. 07:24.300 --> 07:30.420 So that sort of became my, my raison d'etre, is to explore 07:30.420 --> 07:35.080 those big questions. And, you know, what happens after we die? 07:35.320 --> 07:40.980 Why are we here? Are we alone in the universe? Who is in 07:40.980 --> 07:46.340 control here on earth? All of these questions. So that sort of 07:46.340 --> 07:51.880 evolved into the conspiracy show, eventually that radio 07:51.880 --> 07:58.260 program, then later became a television show. In 2014, I 07:58.260 --> 08:03.720 started my stint as a regular guest host on coast to coast, I 08:03.720 --> 08:07.280 fill in for George Norrie and others two, three times a 08:07.280 --> 08:12.220 month. And it's an amazing platform with an amazing legacy. In 08:12.220 --> 08:15.640 2018, I started a podcast called The Rock and Roll 08:15.640 --> 08:18.640 Twilight Zone, which kind of became this convergence of my 08:18.640 --> 08:24.540 love for classic rock, and also my love for, you know, 08:24.620 --> 08:31.140 exploring the subterranean, if you will, conspiracies, the 08:31.140 --> 08:36.200 paranormal, secret societies, the occult, all of these 08:36.200 --> 08:43.360 things came together. And the podcast was about 40 episodes. And 08:43.360 --> 08:47.260 I distilled that into about 16, well, not about precisely 16 08:47.260 --> 08:50.780 chapters. And this little baby right here tails tails from the 08:50.780 --> 08:54.340 Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, which is available to book buyers 08:54.340 --> 08:58.480 as of July 9. But it's available on preorder. Where can 08:58.480 --> 09:00.760 they find it? We're gonna get to preorders and where it's 09:00.760 --> 09:03.820 gonna be available. It's gonna be just about everywhere 09:03.820 --> 09:08.980 online. The usual suspects, Amazon, Walmart, Barnes and 09:08.980 --> 09:12.920 Noble, I like to direct people directly to the, the publisher 09:12.920 --> 09:17.160 trying day, trying day.com, they can order it there. They can 09:17.160 --> 09:20.340 also get more information at the rock and roll twilight 09:20.340 --> 09:24.340 zone.com. Nice, I like Chris Milligan is a good man. Oh, 09:24.360 --> 09:26.980 he's the best. He's the best. I had him on a few weeks 09:26.980 --> 09:30.140 ago. And I used to live up in Oregon. And it's basically the 09:30.140 --> 09:33.000 same town he did. So we got something in common. And 09:33.000 --> 09:36.100 especially back in the day when I had no clue who this cat 09:36.100 --> 09:40.580 Babs was, and Mike Hagan, I just knew him as that's old Mike 09:40.580 --> 09:43.340 and that's Babs. And then I found out, Oh, they're part of 09:43.340 --> 09:46.600 the Mary pranksters. And you mean Mike Hagan, the reason you 09:46.600 --> 09:49.040 saw his face on cameras, because he's the one that filmed 09:49.040 --> 09:51.900 everything and you got Babs, and you have this King Keezy 09:51.900 --> 09:54.840 thing. And I just fell into it. And I was like, Oh, in 09:54.840 --> 09:58.880 fact, I remember I have a vivid memory of being at 09:58.880 --> 10:02.620 Mike's house when the day after I think it was the day 10:02.620 --> 10:06.000 after so that Jerry died. And, you know, the official 10:06.000 --> 10:09.620 story was he died of a heart attack, natural causes. 10:09.940 --> 10:13.000 Let's cremate the body, nothing to see here. Okay, that was 10:13.000 --> 10:17.840 the official story. And I'm hanging out with Mike and 10:17.840 --> 10:20.020 Babs and a few other people and they're like, Yeah, that's 10:20.020 --> 10:23.480 bullshit. Yo, dude, blah, blah, blah. And they just went 10:23.480 --> 10:25.660 through the whole story about how they, you know, what 10:25.660 --> 10:29.620 what happened. And I, I looked at them and I'm like, Okay, 10:29.740 --> 10:35.040 you are people that are the on the inside, you know what's 10:35.040 --> 10:41.060 going on. And you're telling me one story. And the media is 10:41.060 --> 10:44.540 telling me another one. And the thing is, who am I going 10:44.540 --> 10:49.360 to believe my eyes are the lion media. So I go along that 10:49.980 --> 10:52.940 the vein that yeah, they broke them out, Jerry had some 10:52.940 --> 10:56.400 stash, he died, and they cremated them and they made up a 10:56.400 --> 10:59.260 story and nothing to see here. I mean, just like rock and 10:59.260 --> 11:02.100 roll. That's why there's so many stories that have 11:02.100 --> 11:07.680 fascinated me. And let's start with going back to the 60s 11:07.680 --> 11:12.500 kind of where the the big British invasion came from 11:12.500 --> 11:15.580 when rock and roll went from more or less the race 11:15.580 --> 11:20.300 music classifications to Bill Haley to when it 11:20.300 --> 11:25.920 exploded globally. And that's with the Beatles. I've 11:25.920 --> 11:28.800 heard and done a lot of research on the early times 11:28.800 --> 11:32.380 that Beatles and also something that is my most 11:32.380 --> 11:34.600 my listeners will know about it, but it's the Tavistock 11:34.600 --> 11:40.300 Institute. And how the Beatles weren't an organic 11:40.300 --> 11:44.280 group of the fab four who just came out of Liverpool 11:44.280 --> 11:48.720 with this amazing new sound in these great lyrics and 11:48.720 --> 11:53.800 took the world by surprise that actually actually they 11:53.800 --> 11:58.560 may have had a little bit of help if you know what I 11:58.560 --> 12:00.900 mean. So what's your take on that whole thing? 12:01.720 --> 12:05.980 Well, my take is and this is chapter one in the book. It's 12:05.980 --> 12:14.920 called fab four or false flag. And I leaned on some 12:14.920 --> 12:17.640 pretty heavy researchers for this chapter Nelson 12:17.640 --> 12:21.700 Thall, first and foremost, I should mention Nelson. He's a 12:21.700 --> 12:24.460 friend of mine. Just to give you just a glimpse of who this 12:24.460 --> 12:28.260 guy is, he helped smuggle the Sepruder film or a copy 12:28.260 --> 12:30.340 that Jim Garrison made of the Sepruder film into 12:30.340 --> 12:35.040 Canada, where it was broadcast for the first time. It 12:35.040 --> 12:43.640 wasn't Heralda Rivera in 1975. I was. Well, that was, I 12:43.640 --> 12:46.700 guess, the most prominent time people saw it in the 12:46.700 --> 12:51.580 early in the mid 70s. But Nelson went down to love 12:51.580 --> 12:56.640 airfield in Dallas. JFK researcher, Penn Jones handed 12:56.640 --> 13:01.500 him a copy. Remember, during the, the, the trial in 13:01.500 --> 13:04.140 68 in New Orleans, Jim Garrison made copies of 13:04.140 --> 13:06.340 the Sepruder film, and then he wanted to disseminate 13:06.340 --> 13:08.100 them to get them out to researchers. This was all 13:08.100 --> 13:14.160 done sort of seraptiously. So Nelson came up 13:14.160 --> 13:16.940 here and he, and he gave it to a border TV station, a 13:16.940 --> 13:20.300 CBC station, I believe it was in Windsor, and told the 13:20.300 --> 13:22.760 program director once the color, once the test 13:22.760 --> 13:27.080 pattern comes up, wait a few minutes and then play 13:27.080 --> 13:30.580 this a pruder film. And then at the same time, he 13:31.220 --> 13:34.800 alerted all of the his fellow researchers in this 13:34.800 --> 13:38.400 area at all the universities and so forth and 13:38.400 --> 13:42.120 instructed them to hit record on their those days 13:42.120 --> 13:47.120 that had huge VTR videotape recorders. So they 13:47.120 --> 13:49.600 all recorded it. Now, if you were up at three 13:49.600 --> 13:51.500 o'clock in the morning, and you happen to be 13:51.500 --> 13:54.360 watching that border station in Windsor, you saw 13:54.360 --> 13:56.740 the test pattern go down, and then you saw this 13:56.740 --> 13:58.100 a pruder film, and you're probably thinking, 13:58.180 --> 14:01.100 what the heck was that? Well, all of these 14:01.740 --> 14:04.260 researchers hit record. And so that one 14:05.080 --> 14:06.880 transmission of this a pruder film probably 14:06.880 --> 14:09.900 ended up being recorded by 50 different 14:09.900 --> 14:11.860 researchers. And that's how this a pruder 14:11.860 --> 14:14.860 film was first sort of disseminated to 14:14.860 --> 14:16.940 researchers, my friend Nelson. And Nelson was 14:17.560 --> 14:20.280 a fast is a fascinating guy. He was the 14:20.280 --> 14:24.060 last PhD candidate student under Marshall 14:24.060 --> 14:27.620 McLuhan, the great media guru up here in 14:27.620 --> 14:32.460 Canada. And Marshall McLuhan, the media 14:32.460 --> 14:34.160 is the message, the medium is the message. 14:34.280 --> 14:37.020 And he, of course, believed that the arts 14:37.020 --> 14:38.820 were controlled by the secret societies. 14:39.840 --> 14:43.240 So this is sort of the lineage. 14:43.880 --> 14:46.360 Marshall McLuhan to Nelson Thall, I interviewed 14:46.360 --> 14:49.740 Nelson about the Beatles, and he believed 14:49.740 --> 14:52.380 that while the Beatles were incredibly 14:52.380 --> 14:54.420 talented, it can't take anything away from 14:54.420 --> 14:56.920 them. No, but they had the machine 14:56.920 --> 14:59.720 behind them. And whether we're talking 14:59.720 --> 15:03.900 about EMI or the British Crown or the 15:03.900 --> 15:06.780 Davestock Institute, somebody decided 15:08.100 --> 15:10.680 that if the British were ever going to get 15:10.680 --> 15:12.440 the colony back, the American colony 15:12.440 --> 15:15.040 that they lost when General Cornwallis 15:15.040 --> 15:18.560 surrendered to Lafayette in 1781, keep in 15:18.560 --> 15:20.460 mind, he surrendered to a French general, 15:20.560 --> 15:21.660 not to George Washington. 15:23.460 --> 15:25.760 Interesting. They wanted the colony back. 15:26.160 --> 15:28.000 And if you look at the War of 1812, if 15:28.000 --> 15:32.240 you look at the Civil War, you could 15:32.240 --> 15:35.800 look at that as a look at it through 15:35.800 --> 15:38.620 the lens of the British attempting to 15:38.620 --> 15:40.260 reclaim the American colony. 15:40.840 --> 15:43.700 So the British invasion in 1964 was not 15:43.700 --> 15:45.260 just a metaphorical British invasion. 15:45.360 --> 15:47.800 It was an actual British invasion. 15:48.040 --> 15:51.360 And the Beatles had been weaponized 15:52.040 --> 15:54.120 in order to subvert American youth. 15:54.340 --> 15:55.660 Remember, they were traumatized. 15:55.780 --> 15:57.900 This is sort of classic MK ultra 15:58.820 --> 16:01.200 protocol, writ large, instead of 16:01.780 --> 16:04.160 being targeted on certain individuals. 16:04.760 --> 16:07.380 You're targeting an entire culture, the youth culture. 16:07.460 --> 16:09.240 They've been traumatized by the assassination 16:09.240 --> 16:11.720 of Kennedy just three months earlier. 16:12.280 --> 16:14.900 Now here they are on the stage, the 16:14.900 --> 16:17.860 Ed Sullivan stage in February of 64. 16:18.820 --> 16:22.640 And within three years, we saw 16:22.960 --> 16:27.420 the Beatles evolve from these 16:27.420 --> 16:30.540 innocent, you know, lyrics and 16:30.540 --> 16:32.340 she loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16:32.440 --> 16:33.580 And I want to hold your hand. 16:33.920 --> 16:36.100 They evolved or devolved perhaps 16:36.780 --> 16:40.560 into psychedelia, LSD, 16:42.300 --> 16:45.120 sexual permissiveness, challenging 16:45.120 --> 16:47.780 authority, questioning the church 16:49.940 --> 16:52.640 and the youth culture 16:52.640 --> 16:55.240 evolved right along with them. 16:55.240 --> 16:57.340 And that was the whole intention. 16:57.720 --> 16:58.620 Subvert the youth. 16:59.120 --> 17:01.460 If you want to control and steer 17:03.420 --> 17:05.720 society, if you want to modify behavior, 17:05.900 --> 17:08.900 you don't use politics, you control culture. 17:09.180 --> 17:11.220 And that's that's what was at play there, 17:11.940 --> 17:13.760 which is why, you know, the question 17:13.760 --> 17:16.740 is asked a long time ago, what would 17:16.740 --> 17:19.440 make the establishment lack of a better term 17:20.040 --> 17:22.540 want to assassinate someone like a Jimmy 17:22.540 --> 17:24.540 Hendrix or Elvis Presley or whatever? 17:25.380 --> 17:27.220 And the answer is very simple. 17:27.780 --> 17:30.540 It's the influence that these people wield 17:30.540 --> 17:34.060 is far greater by 17:35.340 --> 17:39.500 times 10 times 10 than any politician can. 17:40.620 --> 17:43.640 And as Adolf Hitler says, and this goes back 17:43.640 --> 17:45.820 to your point about social engineering, 17:47.480 --> 17:49.880 the quote, the paraphrase of Hitler 17:49.880 --> 17:51.900 when he says, I don't care about you 17:51.900 --> 17:54.800 adults because I have your kids. 17:55.240 --> 17:57.400 And that was the Hitler Eugen. 17:58.200 --> 18:00.340 And when you look at the history 18:00.340 --> 18:02.620 of the Hitler Eugen and the youth 18:03.020 --> 18:05.060 that whole time, they were the last ones 18:05.060 --> 18:08.480 that were fighting ferociously in Berlin 18:08.480 --> 18:12.700 when the rest of the Third Reich had already fallen. 18:13.360 --> 18:15.660 So, yes, if you want to control 18:16.920 --> 18:21.620 the future or steer the future populations, 18:21.720 --> 18:23.520 that is the way you do it. 18:23.520 --> 18:25.640 And it's also, I find a correlation 18:25.640 --> 18:28.540 and like to hear your viewpoint on it, is 18:28.540 --> 18:31.960 it's there's a reason why pop culture 18:31.960 --> 18:37.000 is targeted towards our youth and not us adults. 18:37.340 --> 18:38.920 What's what's your viewpoint on that? 18:39.540 --> 18:42.100 Well, I mentioned the Tavistock Institute 18:42.100 --> 18:45.020 and the the Tavistock Institute 18:45.020 --> 18:48.960 was created ostensibly after the Second World War 18:49.560 --> 18:53.700 and they had shell shocked soldiers 18:53.700 --> 18:55.860 returning home after the war. 18:57.140 --> 18:59.260 And they were trying to figure out, you know, 18:59.300 --> 19:02.420 how can we heal these broken men 19:03.040 --> 19:05.340 and put their psyches back together? 19:07.040 --> 19:10.700 At a certain point, somebody had the brilliant idea. 19:10.920 --> 19:15.100 Well, if we can put a psyche back together, 19:15.100 --> 19:17.260 can we take it apart and put it back together 19:17.260 --> 19:19.120 that in a way that we want? 19:19.300 --> 19:21.440 Can we mold human behavior? 19:21.920 --> 19:26.280 Can we steer entire populations? 19:27.620 --> 19:29.960 And so I sort of think of it as 19:30.880 --> 19:33.600 the Ministry of Defense meets Sigmund Freud 19:34.540 --> 19:39.080 and they quickly realized that melodies in particular. 19:39.920 --> 19:43.480 I mean, we know how how sound and frequencies 19:43.480 --> 19:44.920 can affect the human brain, 19:45.300 --> 19:48.060 but they also understood how certain melodies 19:48.060 --> 19:50.780 can bypass human reasoning. 19:51.140 --> 19:53.440 It can bypass the intellect 19:54.080 --> 19:58.220 and can manipulate emotions through repetitiveness. 19:58.880 --> 20:01.720 And so the theory is that they brought in someone 20:01.720 --> 20:03.680 like, for example, Theodore Adorno, 20:03.900 --> 20:07.080 who was a Marxist and a social critic 20:07.540 --> 20:10.200 from the from the Frankfurt School. 20:11.200 --> 20:15.920 And he, while he didn't write the music for the Beatles, 20:16.300 --> 20:19.840 perhaps he, his influence was in 20:20.760 --> 20:23.620 determining those musical core codes 20:24.620 --> 20:27.740 and melodies that could, again, 20:27.940 --> 20:31.960 bypass human reasoning, affect emotion, create 20:33.220 --> 20:35.680 while they knew what, for example, what musical 20:36.840 --> 20:39.460 chords or codes could create 20:41.280 --> 20:44.600 Melancholy, for example, or aggression. 20:46.220 --> 20:49.080 And so, again, the Beatles, 20:49.920 --> 20:53.360 instead of instead of red coats and muskets, 20:53.800 --> 20:57.320 the British Empire was now using backbeats 20:57.320 --> 20:58.960 and Rickenbacker guitars. 21:00.040 --> 21:01.360 Well, nice. 21:02.020 --> 21:04.880 Always got a little in the little violin thing. 21:05.100 --> 21:07.920 Well, there's you talked about frequencies 21:08.520 --> 21:11.900 and how you can subvert the conscious mind 21:11.900 --> 21:16.160 and affect the emotions in the subconscious mind directly. 21:17.100 --> 21:19.560 And you are so on point on that. 21:21.000 --> 21:22.840 The example I like to use, 21:22.960 --> 21:24.980 and I used to do a lot of live music production, 21:25.660 --> 21:29.520 is that gifted artist, that singer, if you will, 21:30.560 --> 21:33.100 that can go to an audience, regardless of the size 21:33.860 --> 21:38.120 and have absolute 100 percent control of their emotions. 21:38.800 --> 21:42.820 They can raise them up into a fury. 21:43.480 --> 21:46.740 They can quiet them down into the still of apathy. 21:47.220 --> 21:48.680 They can make them cry. 21:49.080 --> 21:50.020 They can make them laugh. 21:50.140 --> 21:53.280 They literally have the ability to pull out 21:53.280 --> 21:56.640 whatever emotion they want out of the audience and play with them. 21:57.080 --> 21:59.180 And that's a very powerful force. 21:59.840 --> 22:02.340 Now, when you take that idea 22:02.340 --> 22:06.040 and you put it into a social engineering model, 22:06.640 --> 22:09.960 back it up with a lot of high tech science and research, 22:10.840 --> 22:13.980 the power is absolutely tremendous. 22:15.400 --> 22:18.360 And, you know, when you look at the youth, 22:18.760 --> 22:23.300 the music of one's youth stays with somebody their entire life. 22:23.420 --> 22:24.920 That's when it is branded. 22:25.480 --> 22:30.760 And I think that in itself is a great example of the power 22:30.760 --> 22:32.940 that the people in the Tavistock industry 22:32.940 --> 22:37.020 and in early social engineering and also in the occult, 22:37.220 --> 22:39.760 because then witches know all about 22:39.760 --> 22:44.100 how to what specific frequencies do whatever to them. 22:44.660 --> 22:47.860 So I mean, I got off on a little bit of a little bit of a tangent there. 22:47.980 --> 22:51.300 But so is there a specific example, 22:51.500 --> 22:53.260 a concrete example of the Beatles 22:53.260 --> 22:58.740 that maybe would be a good demonstration, a song, a riff or whatever? 23:00.860 --> 23:06.900 A song or riff that I don't I don't get into 23:07.630 --> 23:12.400 too too specific detailing of, you know, 23:13.160 --> 23:14.840 melodies or chords. 23:15.220 --> 23:17.740 I was talking mainly about the institutions 23:17.740 --> 23:20.000 and some of the figures that were involved 23:21.000 --> 23:25.020 and how so you see this sort of overlapping 23:25.020 --> 23:31.180 of people in the Tavistock Institute also involved in M.K. Altra. 23:33.140 --> 23:37.760 And it was the system, the the the institutions, 23:38.400 --> 23:42.700 the the scientists, the behavioralists that were involved. 23:44.300 --> 23:48.480 But as for a certain, you know, a particular riff, 23:49.320 --> 23:54.280 well, I guess you could look at all their music really in that in that way. 23:54.360 --> 23:56.120 I don't think anything was left a chance. 23:57.820 --> 23:59.160 I think it was all designed. 23:59.320 --> 24:03.400 I mean, particularly once we got into sort of the psychedelic period 24:04.700 --> 24:06.380 and you listen to 24:08.820 --> 24:12.060 tracks like Tomorrow Never Knows and 24:13.220 --> 24:16.340 you know, the sort of the backward masking 24:17.620 --> 24:22.760 and almost these binaural beats that we hear, it's it's almost like. 24:26.480 --> 24:28.840 What's the word I'm looking for here? 24:28.920 --> 24:31.140 I'm struggling a little bit, but in training the human brain, 24:32.660 --> 24:37.020 I think that I think Sergeant Pepper is is a is a perfect example. 24:37.180 --> 24:38.240 Most of the tracks on there. 24:38.980 --> 24:42.080 I think I think that that was a very. 24:43.100 --> 24:44.260 Formal album. 24:44.960 --> 24:49.280 It really changed that I saw the style of the Beatles 24:49.280 --> 24:52.320 and it had a massive influence and culture. 24:53.680 --> 24:55.220 You know, and there were so many. 24:55.380 --> 24:59.720 If you just look at the album cover, the. 25:00.780 --> 25:05.680 Almost sublime design of that when you really get into it, 25:05.680 --> 25:10.460 people have probably studied that for years on what does every 25:11.100 --> 25:12.220 little symbol mean? 25:12.480 --> 25:13.180 How is it correlated? 25:13.480 --> 25:15.940 I mean, hell, they had Alistair Crowley sitting up there in the corner. 25:16.500 --> 25:17.700 That's me when I saw that. 25:17.800 --> 25:19.940 I was like, oh, they're in the Crowley too. 25:20.160 --> 25:23.700 I was like, damn, it wasn't back in those days and stuff like that. 25:24.160 --> 25:27.600 You know, and you know, another thing that I mentioned my monologue, 25:27.980 --> 25:32.880 which which shows the the leg, if you will, lack of better term 25:33.380 --> 25:35.380 on the power of that band 25:36.320 --> 25:40.300 and the mythology surrounding the band is the Paul is dead legend. 25:40.960 --> 25:43.400 First time I heard about that was many years ago. 25:44.180 --> 25:48.120 And, you know, first of all, I went to my big grain of salt bucket. 25:48.500 --> 25:49.560 Interesting story. 25:49.800 --> 25:50.580 Don't know it's true. 25:51.180 --> 25:54.280 Can't dismiss it, but I'll entertain the idea. 25:56.360 --> 26:00.520 Personally, I don't think that I've never seen any concrete evidence 26:00.520 --> 26:01.980 which says that that is true. 26:02.900 --> 26:05.580 I lean more towards no, it's not. 26:05.580 --> 26:10.280 It's a it was a good story that was created somewhere somehow, 26:11.020 --> 26:15.320 which to this day, what, 60, 70 years ago, still has leg. 26:15.820 --> 26:19.180 So what's your view on that whole Paul is dead? 26:19.440 --> 26:20.720 Lack of better term, Syop. 26:21.800 --> 26:26.980 Well, Syop is maybe the key to this whole discussion. 26:28.400 --> 26:33.140 But let me back up and say, I don't believe Paul McCartney died 26:33.140 --> 26:37.560 in a car crash on November 9th, 1966. 26:39.640 --> 26:43.600 In order to believe that, you have to believe that Brian Epstein or George 26:43.600 --> 26:47.660 Martin or EMI or the remaining Beatles managed to find a replacement 26:47.660 --> 26:51.900 who also played left handed base, who looked an awful lot like Paul McCartney 26:51.900 --> 26:56.900 and was arguably even more talented than the original Paul McCartney. 26:57.080 --> 27:01.140 I mean, yes, pre 1966 Paul McCartney wrote yesterday, 27:01.140 --> 27:04.300 which is the most covered song, I believe, in popular music history. 27:04.720 --> 27:07.500 But if you look at the body of work post 1966, 27:08.020 --> 27:10.300 Hey, Jude, let it be the long and winding road. 27:10.420 --> 27:13.120 Everything he did with wings, some of his great solo albums, 27:13.680 --> 27:18.280 it's it stretches credulity to believe I'm open to the possibility. 27:19.860 --> 27:22.660 However, what I found most fascinating 27:22.660 --> 27:26.380 about the Paul is dead legend is that, as you say, 27:26.480 --> 27:30.640 it still has legs 60 years, 60 years. 27:30.640 --> 27:37.040 And this mythos or this legend erupted out of, you know, 27:37.140 --> 27:41.960 we're talking 40 years before the advent of the of social media, 27:42.760 --> 27:48.980 30, 30 years before the Internet was in wide use. 27:50.560 --> 27:53.820 Imagine a legend like that that's still around today, 27:54.350 --> 27:57.600 perhaps just as strong as it was 60 years ago. 27:58.350 --> 28:01.020 Well, it really sort of took off in 1969 28:01.020 --> 28:05.360 with a phone call to a radio station in Detroit, Michigan. 28:07.400 --> 28:11.120 But imagine starting a rumor or a legend or a myth, 28:11.700 --> 28:16.360 one voice at a time, one, you know, somebody telling somebody else, 28:16.520 --> 28:19.080 telling somebody else, a newspaper column picks it up. 28:20.060 --> 28:24.040 The fact that it it that it took on this life of its own, 28:24.140 --> 28:25.620 I find is absolutely fascinating. 28:25.980 --> 28:28.380 Now, the scyop aspect is interesting 28:28.380 --> 28:31.420 because what is the motive behind this? 28:31.500 --> 28:32.580 Was it just clever marketing? 28:33.020 --> 28:35.280 Did the Beatles say, let's leave a trail of breadcrumbs 28:35.280 --> 28:38.220 and, you know, it'll this legend will take off 28:38.220 --> 28:40.180 and people will be buying up albums like crazy 28:40.180 --> 28:42.660 with a magnifying glass looking for clues 28:42.660 --> 28:43.860 on the cover of Sergeant Pepper 28:43.860 --> 28:46.280 or they'll be listening to Strawberry Fields backwards. 28:47.560 --> 28:52.140 Did he just say I buried Paul or did he say cranberry sauce? 28:53.580 --> 28:55.200 Was it just clever marketing? 28:55.200 --> 28:58.420 Were the Beatles just, you know, having some fun 28:58.420 --> 29:00.980 because they were they were comedians, you know, 29:01.000 --> 29:02.900 they love Peter Sellers and Peter Cook. 29:03.080 --> 29:06.760 And this would be right up their alley, pulling a stunt like this. 29:06.840 --> 29:09.700 Or was it, as you mentioned off the top, a scyop? 29:10.880 --> 29:14.120 What were the where the executives at EMI 29:14.120 --> 29:17.940 or or whomever was behind this, trying to figure out 29:17.940 --> 29:20.420 if they could get, steer a population 29:21.380 --> 29:24.020 and have them just falling all over themselves, 29:24.020 --> 29:27.680 looking for these clues, following these breadcrumbs. 29:27.780 --> 29:29.440 We were being led by our nose. 29:29.820 --> 29:34.800 If they can do that, I mean, what a wonderful laboratory for them 29:37.020 --> 29:40.920 to use the Beatles and to use this legend 29:41.600 --> 29:43.960 to try and create a scyop. 29:44.660 --> 29:47.800 I mean, I think that explanation is as good as any, 29:48.020 --> 29:51.260 but I believe Paul McCartney is alive and well, 29:51.260 --> 29:53.040 but the clues are there. 29:53.200 --> 29:54.060 The clues are real. 29:54.180 --> 29:56.560 The question is, who put them there and why? 29:57.240 --> 29:58.180 Yeah, exactly. 29:58.340 --> 30:02.420 It's like when they're walking on that crosswalk on Abbey Road, 30:02.520 --> 30:03.180 that's one of the people. 30:03.800 --> 30:06.520 All of the legs, except Paul's, are in the same direction 30:06.520 --> 30:07.620 as his is opposite. 30:08.440 --> 30:09.820 The fact that 30:11.760 --> 30:14.940 I'm gaping on George Harrison referred to as full. 30:15.580 --> 30:18.180 It's full as in fake Paul. 30:18.600 --> 30:18.880 Yeah. 30:19.520 --> 30:22.480 Yeah, John Lennon is dressed as the sort of as the vicar 30:23.160 --> 30:24.940 Ringo Starr as the mourner. 30:25.240 --> 30:28.700 Paul McCartney, of course, is the deceased. 30:29.040 --> 30:30.280 He's he's not wearing shoes. 30:30.700 --> 30:32.700 You don't, you know, you're never buried with your shoes 30:32.700 --> 30:33.880 when they put you in the casket. 30:34.120 --> 30:34.800 No shoes. 30:35.240 --> 30:37.980 George Harrison sort of dressed as the grave digger. 30:38.160 --> 30:40.860 There's a V double a Volkswagen Beetle 30:40.860 --> 30:43.180 on the side of the road and on the license plate. 30:43.600 --> 30:47.960 The license plate reads two eight I F twenty eight if. 30:47.960 --> 30:50.920 Well, part Paul McCartney would have been twenty eight. 30:51.760 --> 30:52.700 Had he lived? 30:54.200 --> 30:57.280 So that's just one album cover with a few clues. 30:57.960 --> 31:00.580 But there is a multitude of clues 31:00.580 --> 31:02.960 scattered in their music and their lyrics. 31:03.620 --> 31:05.160 It just goes on and on and on. 31:05.280 --> 31:06.360 And it's it's just 31:07.920 --> 31:10.500 it's so captivating people to this day. 31:11.240 --> 31:13.160 You know, they take that straight edge mirror 31:13.160 --> 31:14.760 and they hold it up to Sergeant Pepper 31:14.760 --> 31:17.640 and they place it along the middle of the bass drum 31:17.960 --> 31:21.080 where it says Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. 31:21.680 --> 31:24.200 And when you look at the reflection 31:24.760 --> 31:26.700 on the upper half of that bass drum 31:27.300 --> 31:32.740 and it it spells out the date of Paul McCartney's death. 31:33.540 --> 31:37.880 Well, X one X X one. 31:38.480 --> 31:41.240 And then it says he dies. 31:42.660 --> 31:44.180 Nine eleven. 31:44.820 --> 31:47.060 November 9th, 1966, he dies. 31:48.300 --> 31:50.420 I mean, come on, that's just not happenstance. 31:51.620 --> 31:53.300 No, it's not happenstance. 31:53.500 --> 31:57.340 But think about just that from a social engineering standpoint. 31:57.520 --> 31:59.720 If I take myself out of who I am 31:59.720 --> 32:03.060 and put myself into some sociopathic social engineer 32:03.060 --> 32:05.160 doesn't give a rat's ass about his own agenda. 32:05.460 --> 32:07.740 What a beautiful Petri dish to have, man, 32:08.260 --> 32:11.340 especially at that time, you're they I could see them going, 32:12.680 --> 32:15.240 hey, let's just play around and see the effects 32:15.240 --> 32:16.780 that we can have on culture with this. 32:16.940 --> 32:18.600 And hey, why don't we say Paul's dead? 32:18.880 --> 32:21.060 And then we'll put a whole bunch of breadcrumbs down here 32:21.060 --> 32:22.760 and have everybody chasing their tails. 32:23.400 --> 32:25.400 Explorers, like you said, buying the albums 32:25.400 --> 32:28.900 and going these things for years and years with a fine tooth comb. 32:29.560 --> 32:31.320 Huh, let's try it. 32:31.480 --> 32:32.540 I guess they didn't. 32:32.680 --> 32:34.560 It worked, man. It really worked. 32:35.340 --> 32:39.280 But that's just an example of the timeliness in a funky sense 32:41.180 --> 32:43.900 of rock and roll and of art. 32:44.960 --> 32:48.080 You know, you could have a song that was written like 32:48.660 --> 32:51.240 it wasn't long. Well, hold my hand. 32:51.900 --> 32:54.440 Still to this day is the most recorded song. 32:55.000 --> 32:58.580 That's the power of art and that's the power of culture. 32:59.640 --> 33:02.160 And the Beatles was just, in my opinion, 33:02.280 --> 33:06.920 kind of like the one of the first little psyops, if you will, 33:07.640 --> 33:10.280 that came. And then you have, of course, the opposite, 33:10.500 --> 33:12.160 which is Mr. 33:12.320 --> 33:18.020 Brian Jones and the Rolling Stones and his mysterious death. 33:18.580 --> 33:21.380 You know, they were set up as the bad boys. 33:21.500 --> 33:23.420 You had the Beatles as the good boys. 33:23.660 --> 33:25.980 Then you had the Stones as the bad boys. 33:26.160 --> 33:29.580 What is that? Famous Alvin 60s or Royal Satanic wedding 33:29.580 --> 33:30.520 or something like that? 33:30.940 --> 33:32.640 Oh, Her Majesty's Satanic Request. 33:33.160 --> 33:35.420 That was their response to Sergeant Pepper. 33:35.420 --> 33:37.720 They were in this friendly competition. 33:37.900 --> 33:40.360 So, yeah, not nearly as good as Sergeant Pepper, 33:40.440 --> 33:42.960 but I think underrated that album. 33:43.180 --> 33:46.680 Oh, yeah, yeah, kind of like a Don King boxing match. 33:47.420 --> 33:49.740 Yes. You know, we're rivals. 33:49.980 --> 33:52.920 We hate each other, but really they're still probably working 33:52.920 --> 33:53.640 for the same people. 33:54.020 --> 33:58.600 But we won't let that because conflict is tension and tension 33:58.600 --> 34:03.960 release is the art is the key of good music. 34:04.600 --> 34:07.900 Tension, release, tension and release. 34:08.320 --> 34:13.120 And I just find that whole part of music interesting. 34:13.480 --> 34:15.040 Now, I believe in your book, 34:15.200 --> 34:17.440 you touched on Brian Jones's drowning. 34:17.760 --> 34:18.940 Did you not? I did. 34:19.400 --> 34:23.040 Section three of the book is called Killer Riffs. 34:23.240 --> 34:26.660 And I reexamine the deaths of Brian Jones in July of 69. 34:26.880 --> 34:29.840 Then, of course, Jimi Hendrix in September of 1970 34:30.350 --> 34:34.260 to early entrance into the 27 Club. 34:35.380 --> 34:38.140 And then Elvis in 77 and Kurt Cobain in 94. 34:38.920 --> 34:41.360 Elvis, of course, not 2070 was 42, 34:41.540 --> 34:43.520 but Kurt Cobain also part of the 27 Club. 34:43.640 --> 34:49.000 But Brian Jones kicks off that section and death by misadventure. 34:49.140 --> 34:53.700 Accidental drowning is the official cause of death. 34:54.240 --> 34:58.100 But one of the themes that runs throughout that section 34:58.100 --> 35:00.000 of the book is the rush to judgment. 35:01.080 --> 35:03.780 And with Brian Jones, that certainly was the case. 35:05.440 --> 35:08.260 You know, here was just another rock and roller 35:08.260 --> 35:11.200 who drank too much, who popped too many pills, 35:11.600 --> 35:14.060 found dead at the bottom of a pool, must have been drowning. 35:14.560 --> 35:16.400 Nothing to see here, folks, let's move along. 35:17.780 --> 35:21.900 But as readers will discover, there is much to see here. 35:24.700 --> 35:25.920 And I'll leave you 35:25.920 --> 35:30.180 with this important note, the person who performed the autopsy 35:30.180 --> 35:33.800 on Brian Jones, Brian Jones, swimming pool, 35:34.300 --> 35:37.620 he was living at Cotchford Farm, which was the old 35:37.620 --> 35:41.140 A.A. Milne estate, A.A. Milne, the great British writer 35:41.140 --> 35:43.160 who brought us Winnie the Pooh and Christopher Robin. 35:44.200 --> 35:46.220 And Brian Jones purchased that 35:47.580 --> 35:50.020 that farm to get away from London. 35:51.060 --> 35:54.420 He was being hassled by the police, the police and their 35:54.420 --> 35:58.260 superiors didn't like these long hairs influencing their children. 35:59.220 --> 36:03.320 So they were all too happy to plant drugs or in some cases 36:03.320 --> 36:04.560 they didn't need to plant drugs. 36:05.060 --> 36:07.660 They didn't need to supply them. Exactly. 36:08.620 --> 36:13.660 So he he moved down there and he was in a very sort of vulnerable 36:14.900 --> 36:18.140 state. He'd just been fired from the band. 36:18.460 --> 36:21.240 Mick and Keith drove down to Cotchford Farm to let him know 36:21.240 --> 36:23.740 he was done with the Rolling Stones. 36:24.620 --> 36:29.040 He he he was drinking so much at this point that he 36:29.040 --> 36:30.400 he wasn't able to perform. 36:30.660 --> 36:34.140 He would come into the studio and it would take him three hours 36:34.140 --> 36:35.380 just to restring his guitar. 36:35.920 --> 36:38.480 So the band was getting fed up with Brian Jones, 36:38.640 --> 36:40.040 even though he was the founder. 36:40.320 --> 36:41.780 He was the heart and soul of the band. 36:42.140 --> 36:43.840 He was the flamboyant one. 36:45.000 --> 36:48.780 The only problem was he couldn't write songs and the beat 36:48.780 --> 36:52.360 the Rolling Stones were no longer a blues cover band. 36:53.220 --> 36:56.020 You wanted to make it to the show to the big time. 36:56.240 --> 36:57.160 You had to write your own music. 36:57.420 --> 37:03.100 That's where Keith and Mick came in and Brian Jones basically got pushed aside. 37:04.780 --> 37:07.840 And so he he retreated to Cotchford Farm. 37:08.280 --> 37:13.480 Now I mentioned the the autopsy when he was found at the bottom of the swimming pool. 37:15.340 --> 37:18.300 Um, ordinarily, they would have called in the coroner 37:18.300 --> 37:21.600 from or the medical examiner, as we call them here, from Sussex. 37:22.440 --> 37:24.460 They didn't use that coroner. 37:24.480 --> 37:27.600 Instead, the Prime Minister of England at the time, Prime Minister Heath, 37:27.880 --> 37:32.220 appointed his own personal physician to conduct the autopsy. 37:32.840 --> 37:33.940 Why would he do that? 37:34.360 --> 37:35.680 Why would he do that? 37:36.080 --> 37:37.020 Rushed a judgment. 37:37.600 --> 37:39.020 It smells of coverup. 37:40.200 --> 37:41.720 Yeah, let's see. 37:41.720 --> 37:45.440 I haven't heard. I don't know very much but about Brian Jones's story. 37:45.520 --> 37:49.260 That's why when I saw that in your book, I was like, this is interesting. 37:49.740 --> 37:54.240 So what do you think or do you theorize? 37:55.520 --> 38:01.180 Might have really been behind his forming the 27 Club. 38:02.040 --> 38:03.820 Well, I think he I think he was murdered, 38:04.800 --> 38:07.980 whether it was murder in the first degree or whether it was. 38:09.000 --> 38:12.300 Man slaughter, but there was a coverup. 38:13.140 --> 38:13.960 There was a. 38:15.140 --> 38:19.920 Quite a collection of individuals who were at Cauchford farm that night, 38:20.280 --> 38:25.440 hangers on nurses, ex-girlfriends, present girl friends. 38:26.960 --> 38:36.500 And a gentleman by the name of Tom Keylock, who I'm sorry, not Tom Keylock. 38:37.800 --> 38:39.140 Was it Mike Keylock? 38:39.800 --> 38:41.740 Anyway, he was the fixer for the Rolling Stones. 38:41.940 --> 38:43.080 He'd recently been fired. 38:43.800 --> 38:48.280 Keith Richards caught this this character for basically skimming. 38:48.920 --> 38:52.340 And so he decided he would latch on to Brian Jones, 38:52.560 --> 38:54.240 who was in a very fragile state. 38:54.900 --> 38:57.220 So he goes down to to Cauchford farm. 38:57.420 --> 38:58.520 He's hanging out with them. 38:59.100 --> 39:03.220 There was also a collection of a crew of workers 39:03.860 --> 39:07.720 who were constantly renovating Cauchford farm. 39:07.860 --> 39:09.120 And Brian couldn't get rid of them. 39:09.220 --> 39:13.160 And they were they were robbing Brian blind. 39:15.960 --> 39:20.840 They were inflating prices and finding all sorts of problems, 39:21.040 --> 39:22.060 you know, with the renovations. 39:22.180 --> 39:23.460 Oh, we got to tear this wall down 39:23.460 --> 39:25.000 and look what we found behind this wall. 39:25.200 --> 39:26.240 Now we've got to fix that. 39:26.380 --> 39:27.320 He couldn't get rid of them. 39:27.460 --> 39:28.940 And there was a lot of tension there. 39:29.700 --> 39:32.860 And there was a the head of the crew 39:32.860 --> 39:34.540 was named Frank Thoreau Good. 39:35.080 --> 39:37.780 And he and Brian would get into some pretty 39:39.320 --> 39:40.840 big shouting matches. 39:41.800 --> 39:44.700 Almost came to the Fisticuffs a number of times. 39:45.120 --> 39:50.520 So was was Frank Thoreau Good involved in in Brian's death? 39:50.960 --> 39:56.300 Did they get into into an altercation in the swimming pool 39:56.300 --> 39:57.760 or on the edge of the swimming pool? 39:58.260 --> 40:03.020 Frank Thoreau Good on his deathbed claims allegedly. 40:03.340 --> 40:04.160 This is the report. 40:04.260 --> 40:05.760 I wasn't there at his deathbed, 40:05.800 --> 40:09.560 but it is said that he confessed to killing Brian Jones. 40:11.000 --> 40:12.820 So, you know, why the cover up? 40:13.340 --> 40:15.580 Well, we explore that we explore that in the book. 40:15.580 --> 40:22.300 But there was also a relative, a brother of Tom Keylock. 40:22.540 --> 40:24.020 His name is Frank Keylock. 40:24.180 --> 40:25.660 He worked with Scotland Yard. 40:25.660 --> 40:27.780 He was a detective with with Scotland Yard. 40:28.080 --> 40:31.600 Did did he call his brother at Scotland Yard 40:31.600 --> 40:33.060 and say we have a problem down here? 40:33.700 --> 40:37.600 You know, the fixer calling the fixer, the fixer calling the ultimate fixer 40:37.600 --> 40:43.060 who called the prime minister, who basically had the whole 40:43.740 --> 40:46.340 nasty affair swept under the rug. 40:47.460 --> 40:49.320 That's that's that's Paul. 40:49.440 --> 40:53.020 You can heath and I believe he was big time pedophile 40:53.020 --> 40:54.580 if I got my prime minister's right. 40:55.320 --> 40:58.040 That's a hell of a poll when you can call your brother 40:58.040 --> 41:01.580 and he makes a picks up the phone and the prime minister, 41:02.500 --> 41:08.140 a picks it up and the prime minister takes charge of the cover up. 41:08.740 --> 41:11.160 So it begs me and I'm sure you have the same question. 41:12.280 --> 41:14.940 Why he was just a long haired rock star 41:14.940 --> 41:20.820 that overdosed and fell into a pool and, you know, what's a big deal? 41:21.060 --> 41:22.060 You know, there's a million of them. 41:22.060 --> 41:25.000 So well, I didn't go to the top of the. 41:25.000 --> 41:27.060 Yeah, the key to this. 41:27.320 --> 41:29.400 And again, you know, this book is not a manifesto. 41:29.460 --> 41:31.880 I don't claim to have a monopoly on the truth. 41:32.000 --> 41:33.220 I'm simply asking questions. 41:33.360 --> 41:36.720 We're trying to connect some some dots and we have we leave it up to the readers 41:36.720 --> 41:43.160 to decide it appears in also included in that crowd 41:43.160 --> 41:48.780 that July night in 1969 was an undercover member of the constabulary. 41:49.360 --> 41:53.320 Was he trying to find drugs on Brian Jones? 41:53.660 --> 41:55.680 Was there something else he was trying to find? 41:56.380 --> 41:57.440 He's on the scene. 41:57.860 --> 42:01.900 Now, all of a sudden, there is a murder, manslaughter, 42:02.180 --> 42:03.440 murder in the second degree. 42:04.340 --> 42:06.360 How does he explain his presence there? 42:06.840 --> 42:07.900 He's now a witness. 42:08.480 --> 42:09.720 Is he going to be called to testify? 42:10.320 --> 42:14.560 You can see how the whole situation just gets out of hand gets very complicated. 42:15.940 --> 42:18.300 And and so they had to cover this whole thing up. 42:18.820 --> 42:22.780 And if the cover up started, the investigation started at the top, 42:22.880 --> 42:25.880 it would make sense that you would have the top that would cover it up. 42:26.600 --> 42:27.460 It has to be. 42:28.040 --> 42:29.460 That's a fascinating story. 42:29.820 --> 42:31.480 I mean, just the amount of deaths. 42:31.720 --> 42:33.260 I went Janice Joplin died. 42:33.400 --> 42:36.940 I have a friend who's previously passed, but he was a blues legend named Mick Martin. 42:38.740 --> 42:41.720 And I was talking to him one day and he was like, yeah, 42:41.780 --> 42:43.220 I was at the hotel. 42:43.460 --> 42:46.960 I was upstairs in a hotel room right above Janice when she died. 42:47.480 --> 42:49.580 I was like, dude, really? 42:49.900 --> 42:52.660 He was like, yeah, we gave it just like a normal day. 42:52.880 --> 42:57.100 We woke up in the morning and come out and there's all this activity going on. 42:57.260 --> 42:59.380 And I was like, he was like, what's going on? 42:59.420 --> 43:00.280 Like, dude, you haven't heard? 43:00.840 --> 43:02.500 It's like, no, he said, Janice is dead. 43:03.400 --> 43:05.320 And she was a 27er, wasn't she? 43:05.560 --> 43:06.860 She was, she was. 43:07.420 --> 43:10.440 Now, I have a now that we're getting into that 27 club, 43:11.000 --> 43:13.000 this is something that's always fascinated me. 43:13.820 --> 43:15.960 I have been a big time Jimi Hendrix fan. 43:15.960 --> 43:20.200 I think for his time, he was one of the few freaks in nature that we get 43:20.200 --> 43:24.080 blessed with in music that completely changes the whole game. 43:24.420 --> 43:25.720 And that was Jimi Hendrix. 43:26.820 --> 43:31.720 So I'm not sure if I was when I read it in weird scenes inside 43:31.720 --> 43:36.820 the canyon or maybe another book, but it talks about his manager. 43:40.140 --> 43:44.080 Actually, this is a story having Jimmy killed. 43:44.990 --> 43:48.560 And some people have said the question is why it's simple. 43:48.760 --> 43:51.120 He's worth more money dead than alive. 43:51.340 --> 43:57.400 And then to at the time, I believe Jimmy was about ready to let the guy go. 43:57.980 --> 44:00.800 Do you know anything about that whole Jimmy Hendrix death? 44:01.020 --> 44:03.080 Is there something behind it that we're not being told? 44:04.120 --> 44:06.880 Yeah, that's that's the story. 44:07.720 --> 44:12.800 His manager was a former British Intel. 44:15.020 --> 44:19.220 Killer, one of these guys who, you know, if he got when he got into the cops, 44:19.340 --> 44:22.320 he would happily tell you that he could kill you with his finger, 44:22.480 --> 44:23.600 you know, his baby finger. 44:24.020 --> 44:24.940 He believed him. 44:25.240 --> 44:31.060 He did serve during the Suez crisis in 1956 with the British. 44:31.480 --> 44:34.220 And he was basically a trained killer. 44:35.180 --> 44:40.680 And I spoke with Jimmy's former road manager, James Tappey Wright, 44:40.840 --> 44:42.440 who is no longer with us. 44:43.000 --> 44:46.460 But at the time I spoke to him back in 2017, 2018, 44:46.640 --> 44:48.360 he was kind of the last man standing. 44:48.940 --> 44:50.000 Jimmy, of course, long gone. 44:50.400 --> 44:54.440 All the members of Jimmy experience, Jimmy Hendrix experience dead. 44:56.860 --> 44:59.780 I believe Monica Danimann is still alive. 45:00.020 --> 45:00.880 Jimmy's ex-girlfriend. 45:01.000 --> 45:02.300 I'm not sure about Kathy etching him. 45:02.360 --> 45:03.220 I think they're both alive. 45:03.460 --> 45:06.120 But anyway, James is no longer with us either. 45:06.120 --> 45:15.740 So, but he believed Mike Jeffrey when Mike Jeffrey told him to his face in private. 45:16.280 --> 45:19.360 I had to do it, Jimmy or James, I had to do it. 45:19.380 --> 45:20.400 And he called him Tappey, right? 45:20.780 --> 45:21.920 I had to do it, Tappey. 45:22.820 --> 45:24.240 And Tappey Wright said, what do you mean? 45:24.380 --> 45:25.160 What are you talking about, Mike? 45:25.320 --> 45:27.780 He said, I had no other choice. 45:28.040 --> 45:28.720 I had to do it. 45:28.800 --> 45:29.720 He just kind of left it there. 45:29.820 --> 45:31.280 But Tappey Wright knew what he meant. 45:31.900 --> 45:40.740 Um, this story that Jimmy Hendrix took too many barbiturates one night and then aspirated 45:40.740 --> 45:41.700 on his own vomit. 45:42.720 --> 45:46.240 It's interesting that when he was taken to the hospital, I think it was St. 45:46.360 --> 45:51.960 Mary's in London, where he was staying with his girlfriend, Monica Danimann, 45:52.140 --> 45:54.560 before he departed for the Isle of Wight Music Festival. 45:54.720 --> 45:55.440 He never made it, of course. 45:55.440 --> 46:03.120 But, um, the medical attendants found Jimmy's hair soaked with red wine. 46:03.560 --> 46:05.640 His clothes were soaked with red wine. 46:06.200 --> 46:08.660 There was no red wine in his blood. 46:08.820 --> 46:10.420 There was no red wine in his stomach. 46:11.100 --> 46:17.500 There was red wine in his lungs, as if someone may be familiar with a technique 46:17.500 --> 46:25.200 we now refer to as waterboarding poured red wine right down Jimmy's 46:26.400 --> 46:29.420 nose, down his throat, and he basically drowned. 46:29.700 --> 46:32.620 He was drowned after being sedated by barbiturates. 46:34.240 --> 46:37.260 So why would Mike Jeffrey have that done? 46:37.320 --> 46:41.780 As you alluded to Jimmy's contract with Mike Jeffrey was soon to expire. 46:42.900 --> 46:49.420 And Jimmy finally got wise to the game that Mike Jeffrey was playing with him. 46:49.520 --> 46:51.820 Again, it's almost like classic MK ultra. 46:52.840 --> 46:55.640 Mike Jeffrey had Jimmy Hendricks exhausted. 46:56.400 --> 47:00.100 He was constantly touring, performing. 47:00.720 --> 47:04.380 He had these crazy tour schedules where he would be out on the West Coast 47:04.380 --> 47:06.540 and then he would suddenly have to go to the East Coast. 47:06.880 --> 47:07.940 This was all white design. 47:08.640 --> 47:10.780 He wanted to keep, he had Jimmy signing things. 47:10.900 --> 47:12.180 He had no idea what he was signing. 47:12.340 --> 47:17.640 It was just like an overload of stimulus. 47:18.080 --> 47:19.920 He just, he couldn't keep up with what was happening. 47:19.920 --> 47:23.980 And this, again, it's MK ultra, like it's almost like trauma. 47:25.100 --> 47:30.360 And he controlled Jimmy and he made Jimmy aware that without Mike Jeffrey, 47:30.540 --> 47:32.500 he would be tossed to the wolves. 47:32.720 --> 47:36.180 There was an incident in New York where Jimmy Hendricks was kidnapped 47:37.180 --> 47:39.420 and he was being held by these mobsters. 47:40.480 --> 47:43.720 Jimmy later found out that it was Mike Jeffrey who arranged 47:44.360 --> 47:49.360 for his kidnapping so that he could come in and rescue Jimmy 47:49.360 --> 47:51.980 like a knight in shining armor. 47:53.680 --> 47:58.300 He, he then told Jimmy Hendricks, you know, without me, 47:58.460 --> 47:59.960 you're not going to survive. 48:00.200 --> 48:03.580 I rescued you, you know, it became almost like the Stockholm syndrome. 48:04.900 --> 48:09.420 And when the contract was between the two was about to expire, 48:10.860 --> 48:12.220 Mike Jeffrey panicked. 48:12.460 --> 48:14.720 He owed the mob a lot of money. 48:15.380 --> 48:20.580 And Jimmy Hendricks was Jimmy Hendricks was his cash cow. 48:20.920 --> 48:24.100 Well, the studio that Jimmy owned in New York, 48:25.680 --> 48:32.940 Electric Lady Land had some had some structural issues. 48:33.360 --> 48:36.780 And Mike Jeffrey was constantly sending James Tappy Wright 48:36.780 --> 48:41.180 over to New Jersey to see his friends 48:41.180 --> 48:46.940 and was always bringing back paper bags full of cash to pay the workers. 48:47.720 --> 48:52.500 This was the reconstruction of the studio was being paid for by the mob. 48:54.340 --> 48:59.600 And without without Jimmy, Mike Jeffrey would have been in big trouble. 49:01.160 --> 49:03.420 Yeah, the mob don't like it when you pay. 49:04.760 --> 49:07.600 Story that popped in my mind of a friend, Chuck, Chuck O'Chelley, 49:08.080 --> 49:09.260 and he grew up in Jersey. 49:09.260 --> 49:11.420 And he told me the story one time about Trump. 49:12.760 --> 49:16.000 He was at Atlantic City and there was a big Trump event. 49:16.140 --> 49:16.620 I think it was a restaurant. 49:16.620 --> 49:17.360 I'm sure what it was. 49:17.520 --> 49:23.460 And he ran into some Italian businessman that he knew growing up. 49:23.620 --> 49:26.160 And they're like, Hey, check, he glasses, because the dude was blind. 49:26.380 --> 49:27.260 And they called the class. 49:27.680 --> 49:33.020 Hey, let's go to the back room area. 49:33.480 --> 49:36.720 And, you know, probably thinking here comes Donald Trump. 49:37.480 --> 49:38.580 Just glad he had it. 49:38.660 --> 49:40.800 Everybody walked up says hi, hi, hi. 49:40.940 --> 49:43.680 You know, this is back of the day, long, long time 49:43.680 --> 49:46.760 before he even had political aspirations. 49:47.720 --> 49:50.500 And they made an interesting statement when he walked away 49:50.500 --> 49:52.640 because you could tell they had complete disdain for the guy. 49:53.200 --> 49:55.940 They said, yeah, that guy rips off everybody. 49:56.300 --> 49:57.360 That's just his way. 49:57.800 --> 50:00.360 The only people he doesn't rip off are us. 50:01.040 --> 50:02.180 This was a story to Chuck. 50:02.340 --> 50:04.700 I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense 50:04.700 --> 50:07.100 because he knows what happens with a mob. 50:07.320 --> 50:11.060 I mean, you know, a bank, well, OK, we're going to foreclose legal things. 50:11.240 --> 50:17.920 The mob, no, they just disappear and get stuffed in a 55 gallon barrel 50:17.920 --> 50:19.700 cut up with a much cement. 50:19.920 --> 50:23.900 And that's or you could get buried in the column of a stadium. 50:24.380 --> 50:25.260 But yeah. 50:25.760 --> 50:26.280 Yeah. 50:26.940 --> 50:30.260 What an important detail I neglected to mention was that Mike Jeffrey 50:30.260 --> 50:32.200 had a life insurance policy on Jimi Hendrix. 50:32.200 --> 50:36.500 Otherwise, you know, why kill the the golden, the golden calf? 50:36.760 --> 50:41.560 If you're or the golden cow, if you're not, if you're not going to profit from it. 50:41.660 --> 50:46.260 So if Jimmy was going to sever ties with his manager, 50:47.640 --> 50:51.560 manager better have, you know, a life insurance policy in place. 50:52.340 --> 50:54.760 And I mean, the record companies did as well. 50:54.840 --> 50:55.800 That was standard procedure. 50:56.000 --> 50:59.980 But for Mike Jeffrey to have a life insurance policy on him is a little unusual. 51:01.520 --> 51:06.460 So do you think that Mike Jeffries did the hit, made the hit? 51:06.660 --> 51:09.000 Or was he just a benefactor of the hit? 51:09.400 --> 51:11.660 Could have been any any or all of those. 51:12.140 --> 51:15.640 I don't know that he was necessarily there in that basement apartment 51:15.640 --> 51:21.240 in in was it Harold Smith, the Harold Smith District of London or Mayfair. 51:23.320 --> 51:24.500 May have ordered the hit. 51:24.600 --> 51:25.340 He may have been there. 51:25.480 --> 51:26.000 Hard to say. 51:26.840 --> 51:32.280 But the other point I raise in the chapter is could he have managed 51:32.280 --> 51:36.340 to cover up on his own without his intelligence connections? 51:37.100 --> 51:42.160 You know, that old saying, once CIA always CIA wants some wants in the mob, 51:42.280 --> 51:43.060 you don't retire. 51:43.500 --> 51:43.560 Right. 51:43.700 --> 51:48.220 So I suspect that Mike Jeffrey still had some pretty important connections. 51:48.420 --> 51:50.660 I'll give you an example of how connected he was. 51:51.680 --> 51:55.980 Jimi Hendrix came to Toronto to perform and he was busted at the 51:55.980 --> 51:56.420 airport. 51:57.840 --> 52:00.780 They found drug paraphernalia in his suitcase. 52:01.040 --> 52:03.280 We're talking about early 1970. 52:05.240 --> 52:06.640 And it was a setup. 52:09.220 --> 52:12.000 Jimmy was stunned that they found this in his suitcase. 52:12.160 --> 52:15.160 And he swore up and down, you know, get to his girlfriend at the time, 52:15.460 --> 52:17.260 Kathy Etchingham, you know, you know, I quit. 52:17.780 --> 52:20.740 I quit this stuff months ago or a year ago. 52:20.940 --> 52:21.900 I don't this isn't mine. 52:23.140 --> 52:28.660 He probably could have been sentenced, you know, to, who knows, 52:29.220 --> 52:31.560 10, 15 years in jail back in the 70s. 52:31.580 --> 52:35.500 That was a big deal, you know, to have drug paraphernalia. 52:35.600 --> 52:36.660 Now it's all legal. 52:37.140 --> 52:40.460 People are shooting up next to playgrounds, but back then it was a big deal. 52:40.980 --> 52:45.140 Mike Jeffrey once again swoops in like the night on shining in shining armor 52:45.140 --> 52:48.560 and somehow managed to pull strings and got Jimmy off. 52:48.780 --> 52:51.800 So there again, he tells Jimmy, you know, 52:51.800 --> 52:52.960 you'd be nothing without me. 52:53.660 --> 52:57.040 You know, you won't last a minute out on the street without me. 52:57.820 --> 52:59.180 So it's a typical Stockholm. 52:59.440 --> 53:00.120 Yeah, it is. 53:00.220 --> 53:02.400 It's like MK, ultra type programming. 53:03.060 --> 53:06.020 Well, I mean, considering that he was, I believe in my six. 53:06.680 --> 53:09.660 So he comes from like like hardcore intelligence 53:09.660 --> 53:11.980 where we learned it from the British. 53:12.940 --> 53:17.360 So it would it's not out of the realms of possibility. 53:18.040 --> 53:20.700 In fact, it's within the realms of possibility 53:20.700 --> 53:24.660 because once CIA, always CIA, once in my six, always CIA, in my six, 53:25.480 --> 53:31.220 he still has connections and also know that intelligence loves 53:31.220 --> 53:32.060 working with the mob. 53:32.300 --> 53:36.140 I mean, they're like home, die, just to look at the JFK and not all situation. 53:36.820 --> 53:38.620 So that that's interesting. 53:38.820 --> 53:42.340 I mean, they're around as you were talking to about that, 53:42.740 --> 53:48.560 I couldn't help but see similarities with the Colonel and Elvis 53:48.560 --> 53:53.200 where his whole life was controlled by this man. 53:53.660 --> 53:55.000 He kept him tired. 53:55.380 --> 53:56.440 He kept him ragged. 53:56.560 --> 53:57.520 He kept him on the road. 53:57.620 --> 54:00.960 I was talking about this earlier on the way Kayak with my friends 54:01.680 --> 54:04.980 that Elvis Presley was a commodity. 54:05.640 --> 54:06.980 That's all that he was. 54:07.120 --> 54:08.260 He did not own his life. 54:08.380 --> 54:12.080 The Colonel owned his life and 25 percent of everything he made. 54:12.320 --> 54:14.340 Fifty, 50, 50. 54:14.720 --> 54:17.280 Yes. He said I was 20 for 50. 54:17.940 --> 54:21.980 Can you believe that Eddie Arnold, very early early on in Elvis's career 54:23.140 --> 54:25.720 when he signed on with with the Colonel, Eddie Arnold, 54:26.000 --> 54:28.500 a great country singer pulled him aside and said, son, 54:28.940 --> 54:30.760 this is not a good deal. What are you doing? 54:31.100 --> 54:34.680 He tried to talk him out of it, but Elvis was naive and he was appreciative. 54:35.820 --> 54:40.140 You know, he believed that Colonel had his best interests at heart. 54:40.220 --> 54:41.680 And of course, he didn't. 54:41.800 --> 54:43.180 Right. Yeah. 54:43.560 --> 54:45.060 Just like Jimmy thought, Mr. 54:45.060 --> 54:49.200 Jefferies had their best interests at heart when they when they didn't. 54:49.880 --> 54:52.380 There's a brilliant story about the Colonel 54:53.100 --> 54:55.480 from Dolly Parton, who I have the world 54:55.480 --> 54:57.420 respect for musically, business wise. 54:57.840 --> 54:59.500 Right. A few things that disagree with her, 54:59.540 --> 55:01.420 especially when it comes to a few things a few years ago. 55:01.520 --> 55:05.640 But she told this story about the song 55:05.640 --> 55:09.420 I will always love you, the big Whitney Houston, her big thing. 55:09.500 --> 55:13.280 Right. Well, back in the day, Elvis was going to record it. 55:13.280 --> 55:16.200 And she was like, wow, I mean, fantastic. 55:16.480 --> 55:19.040 Elvis Presley went at this is the height of Elvis. 55:19.860 --> 55:21.980 So she gets a phone call from the Colonel. 55:22.980 --> 55:23.880 The Colonel said, 55:26.260 --> 55:29.460 um, hi, Dolly, Dolly, I just want to know we're in the studio right now. 55:29.540 --> 55:32.160 We're getting ready to record your song. 55:32.540 --> 55:37.140 But before we do, Elvis needs 50 percent of your publishing rights. 55:38.180 --> 55:41.920 And being the brilliant woman that she was, she said in that country tone, 55:42.820 --> 55:43.860 Oh, Colonel, 55:45.520 --> 55:47.900 that just that just breaks my heart. 55:48.020 --> 55:50.700 My Colonel, I can't do that. 55:50.820 --> 55:52.160 You know, that's my moneymaker song. 55:52.280 --> 55:55.560 Oh, Colonel, I was so looking forward to hearing Elvis sing my song. 55:55.860 --> 55:57.440 Oh, oh, I'm just so disappointed. 55:58.020 --> 55:58.720 Colonel, no. 55:59.720 --> 56:02.240 And literally walked away from it 56:02.240 --> 56:05.980 because she was an astute business person. 56:06.240 --> 56:07.940 Yeah. And she called it right off. 56:08.760 --> 56:10.880 Colonel, that is my moneymaker. 56:10.880 --> 56:12.740 And it was her moneymaker. 56:13.340 --> 56:17.120 And, boy, considering the kahoonas of anybody telling the Colonel 56:17.120 --> 56:21.320 at the height of Elvis's career, no, I'm good. 56:22.440 --> 56:23.720 God can just go home. 56:23.840 --> 56:25.020 I'm going to keep that song. 56:25.160 --> 56:28.480 But he was a very, from what I understand, a manipulative person, 56:28.580 --> 56:31.840 probably a little bit sociopathic, like so many of those people 56:32.680 --> 56:34.000 in the music business. 56:34.420 --> 56:36.080 Sorry, you know, I've always found it 56:36.860 --> 56:40.240 being a paradox of the music industry. 56:40.900 --> 56:43.140 How on the on stage side, 56:44.880 --> 56:50.460 it's amazing, the amount of love and influence and everything it has. 56:50.800 --> 56:54.900 I mean, a guy can walk up on stage and have a hundred thousand people 56:54.900 --> 56:57.680 all singing and dancing together and having the time of their life. 56:57.760 --> 57:01.480 But the backstage is probably the music business, 57:01.600 --> 57:04.980 probably one of the most ruthless businesses out there. 57:05.380 --> 57:08.040 And you're talking about straight up sharks. 57:08.740 --> 57:12.860 I've known a lot of very, very accomplished and talented musicians. 57:13.360 --> 57:15.320 They're not good business people. 57:15.640 --> 57:17.320 That's it. Most of them aren't. 57:17.520 --> 57:19.900 Few exceptions like Miss Dahlia and some other ones are. 57:20.840 --> 57:24.020 But so much of the time, the music industry understands that. 57:24.660 --> 57:26.280 They understand that. 57:28.420 --> 57:30.300 Like, you don't have to you. 57:30.440 --> 57:33.720 You have to give enough to the artist to think they're doing good. 57:33.980 --> 57:35.860 And they're not going to even question 57:35.860 --> 57:38.480 what's getting sent out the back door. 57:38.940 --> 57:42.620 It's like stacks records, I believe it was the guy that ran stacks. 57:43.340 --> 57:45.180 I'm sure there's muddy waters or what. 57:45.340 --> 57:49.060 But basically, he'd give him a salary and a brand new Cadillac every year. 57:49.700 --> 57:53.460 And these people thought that they were like, oh, my God, I've made it. 57:53.900 --> 57:56.120 They didn't know that no, that guy. 57:56.220 --> 57:58.600 The reason to do that is that was like throwing chump change. 57:58.620 --> 58:02.140 These artists, because the money that he was making on the back end 58:02.140 --> 58:05.700 was millions and millions of dollars. 58:06.700 --> 58:14.340 And in the music business, there's so many nefarious nefarious characters, 58:14.500 --> 58:16.400 whether it be from a business standpoint, 58:17.310 --> 58:19.580 whether it be from an intelligence standpoint. 58:20.710 --> 58:27.860 And since we're on the the the topics of people dying mysteriously 58:27.860 --> 58:32.560 in 27 Club, another one that I have another story. 58:32.640 --> 58:34.240 Another death has been Kurt Cobain's. 58:34.280 --> 58:35.120 And that's more recent. 58:35.340 --> 58:38.440 I remember when he died, I was in the 90s. 58:38.500 --> 58:41.720 I'm like, whoa, was a big Kurt Cobain fan at the time. 58:41.800 --> 58:44.740 But I'm like, wow, that is a major impact on the music. 58:45.100 --> 58:51.320 And of course, it was he's just a junkie who OD, you know, nothing to see here. 58:51.380 --> 58:52.260 He's just a junkie. 58:52.280 --> 58:54.540 He ruined one of the most great bands there were in Nevada. 58:54.780 --> 58:56.540 He's a junkie. He's a junkie. 58:57.380 --> 59:02.000 And then I read the book, Soaked in Bleach by Tom Grant. 59:03.020 --> 59:07.740 And for everybody out there, Tom Grant was the private investigator 59:08.140 --> 59:14.080 that Courtney Love hired about a week or so very shortly before Kurt died. 59:14.420 --> 59:16.080 Yeah, he went missing from rehab. 59:16.480 --> 59:20.700 There was an intervention at his home in Seattle. 59:22.160 --> 59:23.640 It was kind of staged. 59:24.200 --> 59:25.700 It wasn't necessary. 59:26.180 --> 59:28.060 He wasn't a heroin addict. 59:28.880 --> 59:32.220 In fact, even Dave Grohl refused to participate 59:32.220 --> 59:35.220 because he realized it was a complete canard. 59:35.900 --> 59:37.220 It was just a fiasco. 59:37.420 --> 59:42.240 So he was he begrudgingly agreed to check himself 59:42.240 --> 59:47.520 into a rehab center in Marina del Marina, Marina del Rey in California. 59:47.760 --> 59:51.040 And basically went in, signed the register, turned on his heels 59:51.040 --> 59:54.020 and marched right out again, disappeared into the night. 59:54.020 --> 01:00:00.880 And because he was basically missing for for about a week 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.140 up until he was found in the greenhouse above his garage on April the eighth. 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.880 That's when Courtney Love decided to hire Tom Grant. 01:00:12.740 --> 01:00:16.100 Conveniently, she was also in rehab in Beverly Hills, 01:00:16.100 --> 01:00:18.580 which Tom Grant thought at the time, 01:00:18.700 --> 01:00:19.640 wow, isn't that convenient? 01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:20.580 She has an alibi. 01:00:21.160 --> 01:00:21.820 These are things. 01:00:21.820 --> 01:00:23.540 These are all, of course, allegations. 01:00:23.740 --> 01:00:24.780 Never been proven in court. 01:00:24.940 --> 01:00:26.060 She denies them vehemently. 01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:29.360 So I had to get that out of the way. 01:00:30.580 --> 01:00:34.480 But allegedly, allegedly, people, exactly, allegedly, reportedly. 01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:39.220 So again, another I mentioned earlier, this rush to judgment. 01:00:39.980 --> 01:00:41.520 We saw it with Brian Jones. 01:00:42.080 --> 01:00:43.400 We saw it with Jimi Hendrix. 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:45.440 We saw it with Elvis. 01:00:45.680 --> 01:00:46.700 Oh, he died of a heart attack. 01:00:46.900 --> 01:00:47.640 No, he didn't. 01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:52.140 His heart was not the greatest for a 42 year old man who, 01:00:52.200 --> 01:00:57.880 you know, weight deep fried banana and peanut butter sandwiches for five days a week. 01:00:58.060 --> 01:01:01.040 He could have been a little healthier, but he had a full physical three weeks 01:01:01.040 --> 01:01:03.260 before he was about to launch on another tour. 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.240 His heart was he gave he got a clean bill of health from the insurance company. 01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:12.740 So rushed to judgment, rushed to judgment with Kurt Cobain as well, 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:13.920 that it was a suicide. 01:01:14.100 --> 01:01:15.660 Oh, he's a heroin junkie. 01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:17.200 There's a suicide note. 01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:18.960 Look, he put a shotgun in his mouth. 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.500 Case closed, move on. 01:01:20.900 --> 01:01:24.280 Next, whoops, not so fast, not so fast. 01:01:24.460 --> 01:01:30.420 A lot of very nagging questions still surround the death of Kurt Cobain. 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.040 Yeah, it really does. 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.460 And then it goes back to kind of the same thing with 01:01:38.520 --> 01:01:41.780 Jeffries and Hendrix with Courtney and Kurt. 01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:44.160 Kurt was about ready to divorce Courtney. 01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.900 And she was like, uh, that ain't happening. 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:55.620 And then two, he's more valuable to her dead than alive 01:01:55.620 --> 01:01:57.580 because she owns the publishing rights. 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:03.220 Everything that he owned now defaults to her because she's his wife. 01:02:03.940 --> 01:02:09.260 She is also, and this is according to Hank Harrison, her dad, which I knew. 01:02:10.020 --> 01:02:13.340 Well, he's like, no, she's a straight up psychopath of the highest order. 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.620 My daughter is a psychopath to the highest order. 01:02:17.560 --> 01:02:22.960 And just looking at all of the anomalies around that case 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.280 and how conveniently the Seattle police, who Courtney, the lead investigator, 01:02:28.540 --> 01:02:32.140 was very, very good friends with the lead investigator. 01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:36.200 Everything got brushed under the rug, nothing to see here. 01:02:36.740 --> 01:02:41.100 Looking at the forensic evidence, if you shot yourself in the head 01:02:41.100 --> 01:02:44.680 and your heart's pumping, there should be blood everywhere. 01:02:45.680 --> 01:02:47.680 But there wasn't, huh? 01:02:48.560 --> 01:02:53.560 It was fired from a right hand position, but he was left handed, huh? 01:02:54.120 --> 01:02:56.500 The length of the barrel to the trigger 01:02:56.500 --> 01:03:01.300 is one that you would have to use your toe to do, huh? 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:02.240 Oh, yeah. 01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:06.940 And after he took a lethal dose of three times the least lethal 01:03:06.940 --> 01:03:11.300 dose of heroin, he conveniently was able to take his rig 01:03:11.300 --> 01:03:13.720 and put it back into his shoot-up box. 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:17.720 Huh? Yeah, he would have been rendered. 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.320 He would have been rendered unconscious within seconds. 01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:22.980 Three times the lethal. 01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:27.060 Now that toxicology report. 01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:32.420 There's some dispute as to where that figure came. 01:03:32.560 --> 01:03:34.220 Three times the lethal dose. 01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:36.220 Of course, heroin metabolizes in the blood 01:03:36.220 --> 01:03:37.320 as morphine. 01:03:37.520 --> 01:03:40.320 So three times the lethal dose of morphine. 01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:43.160 Some are speculating that that was actually Courtney Love 01:03:43.700 --> 01:03:44.800 who put that out there. 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.780 So there is some dispute about that. 01:03:48.020 --> 01:03:49.140 But you mentioned the shotgun. 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:55.380 Now, I'm not a hunter, but I have held shotguns in my hand. 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.480 I know how cumbersome a weapon that can be. 01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:00.840 Add to the length of the barrel another six inches 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:03.320 because there was a flash suppressor on the back 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:04.980 on the end of the shotgun. 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.380 So unless he had arms like Abraham Lincoln, there's no way. 01:04:09.640 --> 01:04:11.640 Plus, of course, he's, you know, 01:04:12.660 --> 01:04:14.600 under the influence of whacked out on. 01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:15.460 Yes, exactly. 01:04:16.100 --> 01:04:20.000 So he places the business end of the barrel in his mouth, 01:04:20.640 --> 01:04:22.000 what they call an in oral. 01:04:24.660 --> 01:04:25.600 It's in oral. 01:04:25.720 --> 01:04:28.600 He places the gun and and you would imagine 01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:32.320 the the exit wound would have been absolutely catastrophic. 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.580 So in addition to blood, there would have been. 01:04:34.580 --> 01:04:35.880 Sorry to be so graphic. 01:04:36.100 --> 01:04:39.500 There would have been a brain splatter all over the place. 01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.560 None of that, none of that. 01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:44.740 The fingerprints on the weapon were unusable. 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.940 There wasn't really any definitive linking 01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:52.840 of the fingerprints on the weapon to Kurt Cobain. 01:04:54.740 --> 01:04:57.280 You mentioned, you know, how implausible it is 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.620 that he would be able to reach the trigger with his with his arm. 01:05:01.180 --> 01:05:02.900 Could he do it with his toe, perhaps? 01:05:02.900 --> 01:05:05.560 But both shoes were were on when they found his body. 01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:08.580 I mean, it gets even more basic than this. 01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:12.340 They can't even determine the day of his death. 01:05:13.040 --> 01:05:16.240 Normally, you know, they can put time of death 01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:18.500 within 12 hours, either side. 01:05:19.180 --> 01:05:23.400 And that's being, you know, very liberal. 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.940 They can't even determine whether he died on April 5th, 01:05:27.940 --> 01:05:30.180 April 6th or April 4th. 01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:34.940 So the whole timeline is very confusing as well. 01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:39.480 Then there's the suicide note, the so-called suicide note, 01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:42.860 which was found stabbed into a flower pot, 01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:44.720 the soil in a flower pot with a red pen. 01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:47.160 It's really two notes in one. 01:05:47.520 --> 01:05:51.100 The first part of the note, I suppose, 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.900 if you if in a stretch, you could say it was a suicide. 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:55.620 It was he was saying goodbye, 01:05:55.620 --> 01:05:58.540 but really he was it was more like a love letter to his fans. 01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:02.920 And an explanation as to why he decided it was time for him 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.200 to step back from the music industry, step back from Nirvana. 01:06:06.640 --> 01:06:09.560 He really hated what was happening in the music industry. 01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:13.000 He hated the way he was being branded. 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.420 He absolutely detested as being known as the voice of a generation. 01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:22.600 He even started resenting the people that were showing up at his at his concerts. 01:06:22.660 --> 01:06:25.620 He just wanted out and he wanted to dedicate more time 01:06:25.620 --> 01:06:28.720 to his his daughter, Francis Bean, who he absolutely adored. 01:06:29.520 --> 01:06:31.660 He could have walked away. He was ready. 01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:34.520 So that's the first part of the note. 01:06:34.680 --> 01:06:37.540 The second part of the note seems to have been tacked on. 01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:40.960 And a number of, I think, three. 01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:47.380 Handwriting analysts have not testified in court, 01:06:47.580 --> 01:06:51.000 but have told researchers it doesn't match. 01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:53.280 The handwriting in the second half of the note 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.080 does not match the first half. 01:06:55.620 --> 01:06:59.100 Now, it gets even more sinister, let's say. 01:06:59.740 --> 01:07:02.860 Tom Grant, you mentioned the private investigator hired by Courtney 01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:06.300 to find Kurt after he disappeared. 01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:09.820 Tom Grant got to speaking with their lawyer, Rosemary Carroll. 01:07:10.720 --> 01:07:14.560 Rosemary was Tom, was Kurt and Courtney's lawyer. 01:07:15.740 --> 01:07:19.880 They both discovered what they referred to as practice sheets 01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:25.200 that were found, I believe, in a backpack that belonged to Courtney. 01:07:27.300 --> 01:07:32.120 Um, as if she were practicing Kurt's handwriting style. 01:07:32.520 --> 01:07:36.360 Well, she needed more practice because, again, these handwriting 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.180 analysis say analysts say not a match, not even close. 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:45.480 So the second part of that note written in another person's hand, 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.440 that's when it becomes more overt, you know, goodbye, Courtney, 01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:52.920 goodbye, Francis Bean, I can't go on, that sort of thing. 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:54.680 So again, that's pretty suspect. 01:07:54.680 --> 01:07:56.360 And you mentioned the divorce. 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.480 There were rumors that they were thinking of divorce, 01:08:00.700 --> 01:08:04.900 but Rosemary Carroll also came forward and said that, 01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:06.500 that the will had been changed. 01:08:06.680 --> 01:08:09.600 Kurt had changed the will, but he hadn't signed it yet. 01:08:10.580 --> 01:08:14.080 So time, the timing of his demise was of the essence. 01:08:15.100 --> 01:08:16.440 If that was indeed the motive. 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:22.080 It sounds like there was, you know, when I look at it, my thing 01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:25.340 is yeah, Courtney might not have fulfilled the hit, 01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:28.840 but she put the hit out and the rest is history. 01:08:28.980 --> 01:08:30.020 Nothing to see here, folks. 01:08:30.160 --> 01:08:30.740 Rest of judgment. 01:08:30.860 --> 01:08:31.520 He's a junkie. 01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:32.840 Allegedly reportedly. 01:08:33.700 --> 01:08:34.420 Allegedly reported. 01:08:34.580 --> 01:08:35.880 Just so many people have died. 01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:40.500 I mean, um, it's like I wanted to get into a little bit of the 01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:42.380 Jimi Hendrix and the woohoo things. 01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:44.300 And we're, we're down to about 20 minutes left. 01:08:44.440 --> 01:08:48.080 So, and I also wanted to cover, uh, touch your, your friends. 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:50.540 Um, what happened to your friend? 01:08:50.540 --> 01:08:54.740 Because that when you're telling me, uh, on the pre-show about that 01:08:54.740 --> 01:08:58.260 experience and I've had things like that happen, not the exact same one, 01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:01.000 but things you just can't explain. 01:09:01.900 --> 01:09:08.540 So, um, God, I really want to get into the, the OTO stuff, but I think 01:09:08.540 --> 01:09:11.480 that we don't have enough time and I want to cover your friend. 01:09:11.820 --> 01:09:13.060 What happened with that? 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.440 So, um, why don't we just skip to skip the loo, my darling, and give us 01:09:18.440 --> 01:09:21.540 a background on your friend, who he was, what he meant to you. 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:22.920 And then just take it from there. 01:09:23.700 --> 01:09:28.060 So the, the book is dedicated in part to my late collaborator 01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:31.100 partner, our Gary Patterson, my friend, our Gary Patterson. 01:09:31.240 --> 01:09:34.720 He was, um, uh, great musician. 01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:38.840 He was known as the Fox Mulder of rock and roll. 01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:43.260 He wrote probably the definitive book on the whole Paul is dead legend. 01:09:43.400 --> 01:09:44.840 It was called the walrus was Paul. 01:09:45.390 --> 01:09:51.200 Now, our Gary Patterson was, um, writing sort of from a skeptical 01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:51.840 point of view. 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:56.520 He didn't believe that Paul McCartney was dead and we share that, that 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.560 view, but he, he did examine the clues in great detail. 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.100 And he loved to talk about, uh, all the clues on Sergeant Pepper. 01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:07.200 Every time we got together, he'd pull out that straight edge 01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:09.620 mirror and, and point out all the different clues. 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.000 Oh, look, there's a hand over Paul's head in Eastern mysticism. 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.660 You know, that's a blessing on the dead look that, that, that 01:10:16.660 --> 01:10:22.400 little doll, um, you know, covered in blood and she's sitting 01:10:22.400 --> 01:10:25.540 on someone's lap and that person is wearing a bloodied racing 01:10:25.540 --> 01:10:31.600 glove left handed, uh, you know, the whole album cover is a 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:32.760 funerial scene. 01:10:33.260 --> 01:10:34.900 Anyway, he loved to talk about that. 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.460 And then coincidentally, he died on the 50th, maybe not 01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:42.380 coincidentally, he died on the 50th anniversary of the release 01:10:42.380 --> 01:10:46.760 of Sergeant Pepper in the UK, May 17th, uh, 2017. 01:10:47.340 --> 01:10:49.800 The album came out May 17th, 1967. 01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:54.960 Uh, anyway, we were working, um, to launch a radio program. 01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:56.360 It was called the spirit of rock. 01:10:56.700 --> 01:11:00.400 It later became a podcast after he died called, uh, the 01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:02.800 rock and roll Twilight Zone, but we were in communication 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:04.280 constantly by phone. 01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:09.860 Um, I forget what we were using back in the, um, 2015, 01:11:09.860 --> 01:11:13.580 2016, 2017, I don't know if Google meet meeting was around 01:11:13.580 --> 01:11:17.000 then, but we were constantly, uh, three, four, five times a 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.060 week, we were having, you know, meetings and collaborating 01:11:20.060 --> 01:11:23.180 online and over the phone, trying to launch this radio 01:11:23.180 --> 01:11:28.140 show and we had produced a pilot and, um, Gary lived down 01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:30.840 in, uh, Oliver Springs, Tennessee, a little coal mining 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.820 civil war era town just outside of, uh, Knoxville. 01:11:35.120 --> 01:11:39.360 And so he had met with the general manager at a radio 01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:42.680 station in Knoxville, played the pilot, um, and he loved 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.120 it and he wanted the show on the air. 01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:47.460 We were getting ready to launch and we thought this 01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:49.900 will be our flagship station and maybe eventually we'll 01:11:49.900 --> 01:11:52.500 build, we'll get it syndicated and we'll build a bit 01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:52.940 of a network. 01:11:53.780 --> 01:11:58.720 Then, uh, Gary dies, uh, and how I found out about 01:11:58.720 --> 01:11:59.820 it is kind of strange. 01:12:00.240 --> 01:12:04.320 Um, but I should back up, um, the night he died 01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:07.480 or the day he died, I got a phone call from 01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:09.760 Gary, nothing unusual there. 01:12:10.040 --> 01:12:12.920 I remember I was in the basement just in the, the, 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.060 the room adjacent to my studio here. 01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:18.520 I saw his name come up on my call display, caller ID, 01:12:18.700 --> 01:12:19.560 R. Gary Patterson. 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:22.780 And it was pitch blackout. 01:12:22.900 --> 01:12:26.540 I remember this because, um, it was a weird night, 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.540 but I was wandering around my house with the phone 01:12:29.540 --> 01:12:33.880 talking to Gary and he had called to tell me that 01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:38.480 the meeting that he was to have, uh, to finalize 01:12:38.480 --> 01:12:40.860 things for the radio show in Knoxville had been 01:12:40.860 --> 01:12:43.560 postponed because this was on a Friday. 01:12:43.740 --> 01:12:45.840 It was supposed to take place on the Monday, the 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.260 next Monday, Monday was Memorial Day, Memorial 01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:49.360 Day in the United States. 01:12:49.360 --> 01:12:51.100 So we were heading into Memorial Day weekend. 01:12:52.780 --> 01:12:54.940 And then Gary said some things to me that were 01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:56.420 just kind of out of the blue and strange. 01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:59.340 He said to me, um, you know, Richard, you're 01:12:59.340 --> 01:13:00.320 a really cool dad. 01:13:00.740 --> 01:13:02.680 And I thought, what's that all about? 01:13:02.820 --> 01:13:03.680 Why would he say that? 01:13:04.580 --> 01:13:07.480 I mean, he was Gary was one of the most easy 01:13:07.480 --> 01:13:10.600 going, friendliest persons I ever met. 01:13:11.460 --> 01:13:15.400 Never heard, uh, you know, a sour tone in his 01:13:15.400 --> 01:13:17.140 voice in all the years I knew him. 01:13:17.660 --> 01:13:19.620 And then a little while later, he said to me, 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:22.200 you know, Richard, you and I are a really big deal. 01:13:22.480 --> 01:13:24.360 And I thought, okay, this is Gary's way of sort 01:13:24.360 --> 01:13:25.960 of building this up, you know, building up 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:26.460 a confidence. 01:13:26.660 --> 01:13:28.320 We're about to launch this radio show. 01:13:30.180 --> 01:13:32.420 And I'm wandering the house with the phone to 01:13:32.420 --> 01:13:35.120 my ear and I wandered through the kitchen 01:13:35.120 --> 01:13:37.700 and my wife is in the kitchen with my brother 01:13:37.700 --> 01:13:39.800 in law, her brother, they watch me, they 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:41.140 watch me pass through the kitchen. 01:13:41.140 --> 01:13:43.400 And then the next thing I know, I'm in another 01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:47.120 part of the house and I, it's, it's just 01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:47.920 very strange. 01:13:47.980 --> 01:13:49.540 Everything about this, it's almost surreal. 01:13:50.160 --> 01:13:52.100 But I know that it's dark out. 01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:53.600 It's pitch, it's pitch black out. 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:58.440 And in May, May 17th, I looked it up 01:13:58.440 --> 01:14:04.120 recently, the sun sets at around 830, 815, 830. 01:14:04.740 --> 01:14:06.300 Well, it was pitch black out. 01:14:06.480 --> 01:14:08.520 So I'm guessing it was nine, 10 o'clock 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:09.500 at night when he called. 01:14:10.340 --> 01:14:12.200 Anyway, before we hung up the phone, 01:14:12.980 --> 01:14:15.100 the last thing I said to Gary was, 01:14:15.320 --> 01:14:17.460 so Memorial Day weekend coming up, 01:14:17.500 --> 01:14:18.460 are you going to have a barbecue? 01:14:19.340 --> 01:14:21.660 And for the first time in all the years 01:14:21.660 --> 01:14:24.040 I knew Gary, he got kind of curt with me. 01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:27.620 And he said, just flatly, there will be no barbecue. 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:32.400 And I thought, oh, dear, have I stepped in a landmine here? 01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.880 Have I opened up some, I don't know, wound? 01:14:35.180 --> 01:14:36.680 Is there something going on with his family? 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:37.680 There'll be no barbecue. 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.040 I don't even remember, remember how the call ended. 01:14:41.400 --> 01:14:43.160 I don't remember asking him, is the meeting 01:14:43.160 --> 01:14:44.720 going to be rescheduled in Knoxville? 01:14:44.820 --> 01:14:45.880 I don't remember any of that. 01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:47.640 I just remember there will be no barbecue. 01:14:48.280 --> 01:14:51.060 I hung up the phone that night. 01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:54.480 The mighty Aphrodite, that's my, my lovely bride. 01:14:54.620 --> 01:14:57.280 We went to bed and every night 01:14:57.900 --> 01:15:00.020 since we've been married, we listened to coast to coast AM. 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.140 That night, we both fell asleep. 01:15:03.500 --> 01:15:06.860 We missed the entire show, very out of the ordinary. 01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:07.860 Never happened before. 01:15:08.240 --> 01:15:10.160 We fell asleep, missed the show. 01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:13.760 Had we listened, I would have heard the guest host 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.500 that night, Dave Schrader, announced that 01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:18.440 our Gary Patterson had died that day. 01:15:18.940 --> 01:15:20.780 Our Gary was a regular on coast to coast 01:15:21.740 --> 01:15:24.280 with George Norrie talking about all the things 01:15:24.280 --> 01:15:25.300 we're talking about now. 01:15:26.320 --> 01:15:28.340 So I woke, I wake up the next morning 01:15:28.340 --> 01:15:29.720 unaware that Gary has passed. 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.840 I go down, down the stairs, out the front door, 01:15:32.900 --> 01:15:34.680 sit on the porch with my coffee, 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:36.560 checking emails, Facebook messages. 01:15:37.340 --> 01:15:39.560 There was a Facebook message from Dave Schrader 01:15:40.040 --> 01:15:42.300 saying, Richard, I don't know if you heard 01:15:42.300 --> 01:15:43.220 the show last night. 01:15:43.300 --> 01:15:44.780 I know you were good friends with our Gary. 01:15:44.940 --> 01:15:46.800 Thought you'd like to know he died yesterday. 01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:48.260 And I laughed. 01:15:48.380 --> 01:15:49.440 I thought, give me a break. 01:15:50.020 --> 01:15:51.660 I just talked to Gary last night. 01:15:52.280 --> 01:15:53.460 I call Gary's phone. 01:15:53.580 --> 01:15:54.560 I get the outgoing message. 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:55.900 Gary, it's Richard. 01:15:56.660 --> 01:15:57.880 Some confusion here. 01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.460 The folks at coast seem to think you're dead. 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:00.140 Give me a call. 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:01.180 I waited. 01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:01.700 I waited. 01:16:03.020 --> 01:16:05.620 No, no call because it ended up being true. 01:16:06.100 --> 01:16:07.340 I rush upstairs. 01:16:07.940 --> 01:16:09.440 The mighty Aphrodite is just climbing out of bed. 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.760 She sees my ashen complexion. 01:16:13.220 --> 01:16:15.740 She says she can tell there's something wrong. 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.280 What happened? What's wrong? 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:19.960 I said, Gary's dead. 01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:24.340 And without my prompting her, 01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:26.940 she said, you were just talking to him last night. 01:16:27.780 --> 01:16:29.940 And I said, I thought I was. 01:16:30.540 --> 01:16:31.820 I thought I was. 01:16:32.440 --> 01:16:33.940 She said, well, check your out. 01:16:34.160 --> 01:16:35.840 Your, your reasons on your phone. 01:16:37.040 --> 01:16:37.840 I checked. 01:16:38.580 --> 01:16:41.320 There was no incoming call that Friday night. 01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:42.840 There was no outgoing call. 01:16:42.940 --> 01:16:44.820 In fact, I didn't talk to anybody on the phone, 01:16:44.820 --> 01:16:45.960 according to my reasons. 01:16:46.300 --> 01:16:47.780 Now he did call on Wednesday. 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:49.340 I remember that. 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:51.780 I was picking my boys up from Greek school. 01:16:51.940 --> 01:16:53.320 I remember the call we talked about. 01:16:53.320 --> 01:16:54.860 He's upcoming meeting in Knoxville. 01:16:55.420 --> 01:16:57.400 There was the call from Gary on Wednesday. 01:16:57.540 --> 01:16:59.500 Nothing on the Friday. 01:17:01.700 --> 01:17:05.820 So I flew down to Knoxville and then took a cab 01:17:06.440 --> 01:17:09.640 into Oliver Springs to attend the funeral. 01:17:10.400 --> 01:17:12.780 There's Gary in this beautiful. 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:18.120 Blue metallic blue coffin. 01:17:18.360 --> 01:17:20.980 He's got his Fender guitar up on a little stand 01:17:20.980 --> 01:17:22.840 in front of the in front of the casket. 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:25.200 There's his brother, Mike, who I'd never met in person. 01:17:25.480 --> 01:17:28.500 But he, Gary and I spoke of his brother quite often. 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.360 Went up to pay my condolences, shook Mike's hand. 01:17:33.580 --> 01:17:35.900 He was so appreciative that I'd made it made it down 01:17:35.900 --> 01:17:38.860 from Toronto and he said, Gary spoke of you often 01:17:38.860 --> 01:17:41.100 and he was so excited about this radio program. 01:17:42.140 --> 01:17:44.120 So I asked Mike two questions. 01:17:44.260 --> 01:17:46.680 I didn't tell him about the phone call. 01:17:47.780 --> 01:17:49.980 That it happened the night he died. 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.280 I said, Mike, two things. 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.220 What time did Gary pass? 01:17:56.340 --> 01:17:57.240 And it was sudden. 01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:58.000 It was a heart attack. 01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:03.580 He said it was about five o'clock, five o'clock in the afternoon. 01:18:03.620 --> 01:18:04.660 And I'm thinking, wait a minute. 01:18:05.400 --> 01:18:07.920 It was well past dark when I talked to him. 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.540 I didn't tell I didn't let on that I'd spoken to Mike about this. 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:13.640 It wasn't the time or the place. 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:17.060 Then I said, last time I spoke to your brother, 01:18:17.060 --> 01:18:20.640 I asked him if he was having a barbecue on Memorial Day weekend. 01:18:22.100 --> 01:18:25.300 And he was kind of curt with me. 01:18:25.480 --> 01:18:26.660 He said, there'll be no barbecue. 01:18:26.860 --> 01:18:28.740 Any idea why Gary would say that to me? 01:18:28.780 --> 01:18:30.920 And Michael looked at me. 01:18:31.860 --> 01:18:33.040 He cocked his head. 01:18:33.200 --> 01:18:34.240 He looked very confused. 01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:35.940 He said, he said that to you? 01:18:36.200 --> 01:18:38.800 I said, yeah, he said, there'll be no barbecue. 01:18:39.860 --> 01:18:41.100 And he said, that's funny. 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.240 He said, because that afternoon, the day he died, 01:18:45.140 --> 01:18:49.120 he was driving all over town looking for a brand new barbecue. 01:18:49.420 --> 01:18:51.720 He ended up spending $500 on this. 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.560 I don't know if it was a Napoleon grill, this beautiful grill. 01:18:54.900 --> 01:18:57.760 And then he spent the rest of the afternoon 01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.840 up until he died practically, putting that thing together. 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:03.340 There was no barbecue. 01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:06.360 Gary knew there would be no barbecue. 01:19:08.060 --> 01:19:10.440 So am I misremembering things? 01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:12.860 Am I conflating things? 01:19:12.860 --> 01:19:14.940 I am open to any and all possibilities 01:19:14.940 --> 01:19:18.780 because there's hardly a day that goes by 01:19:18.780 --> 01:19:22.100 that I don't think about what happened just past nine years ago. 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:24.300 I can't explain it. 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.240 I won't even pretend I have the answers. 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.240 I'm conflicted by it as an Orthodox Christian. 01:19:31.400 --> 01:19:34.620 Why me of all people, if Gary was reaching out 01:19:34.620 --> 01:19:36.640 from beyond the grave, would he call me, 01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:38.640 not members of his family? 01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:39.320 Maybe he did. 01:19:39.460 --> 01:19:39.920 I don't know. 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:42.460 But that's all detailed. 01:19:43.040 --> 01:19:46.460 In chapter 16 of the book, and the title of the chapter is, 01:19:46.480 --> 01:19:47.940 There Will Be No Barbecue. 01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:54.890 But I think you're on mute there. 01:19:56.670 --> 01:19:57.490 Oh, I am. 01:19:57.790 --> 01:19:58.430 Well, thank you there. 01:19:58.750 --> 01:19:59.090 I'm back. 01:19:59.270 --> 01:19:59.950 Okay, there you go. 01:20:00.050 --> 01:20:00.390 There you go. 01:20:01.290 --> 01:20:04.870 I've had things that I can't describe happen to me. 01:20:07.990 --> 01:20:12.130 And from a Christian standpoint, I understand that 01:20:12.730 --> 01:20:15.930 when you talk about the infinite compared to the finite, 01:20:17.410 --> 01:20:21.110 the finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite reality. 01:20:21.390 --> 01:20:24.810 So there has to be some liaison between it. 01:20:25.830 --> 01:20:28.790 That's where the Bible and religion comes in, 01:20:28.910 --> 01:20:31.710 to bridge that gap between the two. 01:20:33.170 --> 01:20:36.690 And the thing that I've learned is that the world, 01:20:36.890 --> 01:20:39.650 the universe, life, whatever one wants to call it, 01:20:39.730 --> 01:20:42.610 is far more mysterious than what we get credit for. 01:20:43.190 --> 01:20:45.870 And things exist out of our realm, 01:20:45.870 --> 01:20:48.870 of perception that we know nothing of. 01:20:50.510 --> 01:20:55.330 An experience that happened to me was I was a teenager, 01:20:55.550 --> 01:20:58.090 my aunt lived on an Indian reservation in Sierra Nevada, 01:20:58.350 --> 01:20:58.810 mountain range. 01:20:59.490 --> 01:21:03.570 And I had this very short but emotionally powerful dream, 01:21:03.630 --> 01:21:06.450 and it was just me at night standing out in the forest, 01:21:07.050 --> 01:21:09.510 looking at the back of a Volkswagen, 01:21:09.750 --> 01:21:12.250 an old oxidized Volkswagen with a hood off, 01:21:12.370 --> 01:21:13.770 and right next to me was this big tree. 01:21:14.830 --> 01:21:16.830 So the whole next day, I'm tripping on this dream, 01:21:16.930 --> 01:21:18.150 partly why I'm tripping on this dream 01:21:18.150 --> 01:21:19.330 is why am I tripping on this dream. 01:21:19.510 --> 01:21:20.590 It was quick, it was just whether, 01:21:20.770 --> 01:21:24.590 and it was just constantly on my mind all day long. 01:21:25.110 --> 01:21:27.530 Later that evening, my cousin comes over, 01:21:28.270 --> 01:21:31.090 and everybody on the reservation's related, and the town. 01:21:31.990 --> 01:21:34.250 And he's like, hey man, when we go over to my place, 01:21:34.310 --> 01:21:35.810 I want to show you my car that I'm working on. 01:21:36.150 --> 01:21:38.710 He says, okay, so we wander a mile or so down the road 01:21:38.710 --> 01:21:40.250 and go to his property and they live. 01:21:40.690 --> 01:21:42.010 And he says, hey man, there's my car. 01:21:42.890 --> 01:21:47.430 Richard, I kid you not, I was looking at the same car 01:21:47.430 --> 01:21:52.010 in the same forest with the same tree on my left-hand side. 01:21:53.170 --> 01:21:57.390 Now as a teenager, that was a real eye-opener 01:21:57.390 --> 01:22:03.710 and a little bit of a brain-breaker that how did this happen? 01:22:04.410 --> 01:22:07.170 There is nothing in physics, there's nothing in science, 01:22:07.230 --> 01:22:08.890 and I was a science geek to the bone 01:22:09.990 --> 01:22:12.430 that could explain the experience I just had. 01:22:13.490 --> 01:22:17.390 Now to somebody who's never had those esoteric experiences, 01:22:18.390 --> 01:22:20.850 I mean honestly, no explanation will be suffice, 01:22:20.850 --> 01:22:25.910 but those that have no explanation is needed. 01:22:26.470 --> 01:22:29.610 So when you get into your experience, 01:22:30.990 --> 01:22:33.630 I'm like, yeah, that is definitely in the realms of possibility. 01:22:33.830 --> 01:22:37.090 I've had things like that with, I had my best friend, 01:22:37.090 --> 01:22:40.890 my ex-girlfriend, about, oh my god, 16 years ago, 01:22:40.930 --> 01:22:43.010 died suddenly of ovarian cancer. 01:22:43.590 --> 01:22:47.230 Like within three weeks, she was from, oh, I don't feel good, 01:22:48.270 --> 01:22:52.870 a little over three was dead, okay, checked out up with the angels. 01:22:53.970 --> 01:22:56.430 Well, I remember, and I was her medical advocate, 01:22:56.870 --> 01:23:00.950 so it was my responsibility as per her directions 01:23:00.950 --> 01:23:02.930 that she was not going to be hooked on my life support. 01:23:03.590 --> 01:23:06.390 I was the one that had to make the call to pull the plug. 01:23:08.150 --> 01:23:10.910 So I had a celebration in the hospital and I said, 01:23:10.970 --> 01:23:12.970 okay doc, it's time to go and I just broke. 01:23:13.190 --> 01:23:13.970 I just lost it. 01:23:14.010 --> 01:23:15.930 I said, I can't be around here, man, I can't deal with this. 01:23:16.470 --> 01:23:19.410 So I went off to the parking lot and had a cigarette. 01:23:19.610 --> 01:23:20.510 It's back when I used to smoke. 01:23:21.590 --> 01:23:24.850 And I heard her voice audibly in my head, Richard, 01:23:25.010 --> 01:23:26.290 saying, David, where are you? 01:23:26.370 --> 01:23:27.910 I'm scared, where are you? 01:23:29.350 --> 01:23:31.190 And oh, I'm getting chills thinking about that. 01:23:31.310 --> 01:23:32.150 Me too, me too. 01:23:32.510 --> 01:23:36.150 And I was just like, oh, shit, I need to get back. 01:23:36.150 --> 01:23:41.470 And I sprinted full force to get to her room 01:23:42.470 --> 01:23:46.090 within about a minute of them turning off everything. 01:23:46.330 --> 01:23:52.050 And we watched her EKG go dee, dee, dee, dee. 01:23:52.090 --> 01:23:54.750 So yeah, man, this is a strange thing. 01:23:55.750 --> 01:23:58.910 Part of what I wanted to get into is the esoteric. 01:23:59.890 --> 01:24:02.230 The Jimmy Colts, the Alistair Crowley, 01:24:02.330 --> 01:24:03.130 and everything like that. 01:24:03.210 --> 01:24:05.490 But we're flat out running out of time, my friend. 01:24:06.990 --> 01:24:07.690 It's that simple. 01:24:07.690 --> 01:24:08.670 I will have to have you back. 01:24:08.850 --> 01:24:11.390 We'll get down and funky and we'll get all of Coltie 01:24:11.390 --> 01:24:16.710 and Alistair Crowley and Lame and everything like that. 01:24:16.970 --> 01:24:19.290 But I've really enjoyed our conversation night. 01:24:19.490 --> 01:24:22.210 And I just can't believe that we're already at the end of the show. 01:24:22.450 --> 01:24:23.290 That's why I love conversations. 01:24:23.670 --> 01:24:24.670 They take on a life of their own. 01:24:24.750 --> 01:24:27.070 And the next thing you know, you're like, oh, we're done. 01:24:28.110 --> 01:24:30.750 Damn, it's like the roller coaster ride. 01:24:30.890 --> 01:24:32.390 Just as you're like, yeah, ride on. 01:24:32.710 --> 01:24:33.930 All of a sudden, you go to the last hump 01:24:33.930 --> 01:24:36.730 and you go in there to get off the ride 01:24:36.730 --> 01:24:38.370 and let somebody else go in there. 01:24:38.510 --> 01:24:39.630 It's like a helter-skelter. 01:24:39.830 --> 01:24:41.050 That's another chapter in the book. 01:24:41.950 --> 01:24:44.510 Oh, gee, I've got, I mean, I've got pages, 01:24:44.690 --> 01:24:47.670 couple pages of notes and everything on that book. 01:24:48.430 --> 01:24:51.890 So before we get out of here, why don't you let everybody 01:24:51.890 --> 01:24:53.890 know once again where you can be found, 01:24:54.050 --> 01:24:56.190 where your book, when your book's going to go on sale, 01:24:56.310 --> 01:24:56.910 where they can get it. 01:24:56.970 --> 01:24:59.070 And also, everybody, if you're going to buy it, 01:24:59.170 --> 01:25:00.950 it's probably on everybody else. 01:25:00.950 --> 01:25:03.330 But if you can, buy it from Trine Day, 01:25:03.490 --> 01:25:05.830 buy it from the publisher, buy it from Chris Milligan. 01:25:05.890 --> 01:25:07.730 I'm sure you probably get a better cut than Amazon. 01:25:08.530 --> 01:25:14.570 And plus, you're supporting local businesses, real businesses, 01:25:14.690 --> 01:25:18.590 not the Megalith AI companies are out there. 01:25:18.890 --> 01:25:22.050 So with that being said, I will pass the torch to you, Mr. Richard. 01:25:22.510 --> 01:25:22.890 All right. 01:25:23.030 --> 01:25:26.070 First, I'll give a little plug for my podcast. 01:25:26.530 --> 01:25:29.050 Richard Serret Strange Planet drops every Monday, Wednesday, 01:25:29.050 --> 01:25:33.150 Friday available wherever you find your podcast, Spotify, iTunes, 01:25:33.410 --> 01:25:34.210 Apple, you name it. 01:25:35.850 --> 01:25:42.010 StrangePlanet.ca is the website, StrangePlanet.ca for Canada. 01:25:42.730 --> 01:25:46.070 You can also subscribe to my free monthly newsletter 01:25:46.070 --> 01:25:46.750 from the website. 01:25:46.930 --> 01:25:48.210 It's called Inner Sanctum. 01:25:48.750 --> 01:25:53.750 And the newsletters are a little more, let's say, subversive. 01:25:54.430 --> 01:25:56.630 Recently published the June issue, 01:25:56.630 --> 01:26:01.130 which was about the tick agenda and the strange alpha gel, 01:26:01.690 --> 01:26:06.890 red meat allergy, perhaps as a result of Lone Star tick bites 01:26:07.630 --> 01:26:09.870 and the connection to Bill Gates and so forth, 01:26:10.270 --> 01:26:11.890 Inner Sanctum, StrangePlanet.ca. 01:26:12.530 --> 01:26:16.230 I'll be doing Coast to Coast on July 24th and 25th. 01:26:17.170 --> 01:26:19.950 The book, Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, 01:26:20.270 --> 01:26:24.650 you can find out more information at therockandrolltwilightzone.com, 01:26:25.550 --> 01:26:28.130 therockandrolltwilightzone.com, available for pre-order. 01:26:28.290 --> 01:26:29.790 Pre-order is important, I'm told. 01:26:30.010 --> 01:26:30.870 I'm new to this business. 01:26:31.170 --> 01:26:33.410 But if you could pre-order, that would be great. 01:26:33.550 --> 01:26:34.990 It comes out July 9th. 01:26:35.670 --> 01:26:36.370 Well, fantastic. 01:26:36.590 --> 01:26:38.090 Everybody go out there when that thing comes out 01:26:38.090 --> 01:26:41.250 and get yourself a good book and support this man. 01:26:41.330 --> 01:26:43.990 By the way, while you were talking about your podcast, 01:26:44.290 --> 01:26:45.710 I went on here because I'm on a Mac 01:26:45.710 --> 01:26:46.930 and I subscribed to your podcast. 01:26:47.690 --> 01:26:49.990 So you have a new listener, Richard, me. 01:26:51.150 --> 01:26:52.110 Thank you, nature boy. 01:26:52.930 --> 01:26:53.630 You're welcome. 01:26:54.150 --> 01:26:56.150 So yeah, we're definitely gonna have to come back on. 01:26:56.910 --> 01:26:59.010 But with that, I'm gonna put a pin in this 01:26:59.010 --> 01:27:02.590 because it's time for me to go make some dinner 01:27:02.590 --> 01:27:06.650 and being that I'm the cook, bottle washer, and maternity 01:27:06.650 --> 01:27:07.090 all together. 01:27:07.270 --> 01:27:09.930 If I don't feed myself, ain't nobody gonna do it. 01:27:10.330 --> 01:27:11.630 So with that being said, everybody, 01:27:11.870 --> 01:27:14.170 thanks all you badass savages in the chat. 01:27:14.330 --> 01:27:16.450 So y'all have been just off the charts tonight. 01:27:16.970 --> 01:27:19.030 Thanks to everybody who's listening out there live, 01:27:19.170 --> 01:27:20.590 if you're listening down the road. 01:27:20.730 --> 01:27:21.190 Thank you. 01:27:21.290 --> 01:27:23.350 If you're listening to my audio podcast, thank you. 01:27:23.630 --> 01:27:25.790 And also if you haven't followed the show, 01:27:25.850 --> 01:27:28.950 whether it be an audio podcast or the video, 01:27:29.070 --> 01:27:30.850 could you just hit that follow button and 01:27:30.850 --> 01:27:32.910 if you're on the audio, leave me a comment. 01:27:33.010 --> 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