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So as I mentioned, we have a friend of the Freethought project joining us today. 04:56.510 --> 05:00.510 The last time he was on the podcast was actually four years ago in 2021, 05:00.510 --> 05:02.870 so this conversation is long overdue. 05:03.370 --> 05:08.050 But he's a frontline documentarian in the battle for public accountability. 05:08.750 --> 05:10.490 He's a man who's incredibly brave. 05:10.490 --> 05:13.030 He's a cop watcher, a First Amendment auditor. 05:13.810 --> 05:20.770 His YouTube channel has 627,000 subscribers and has become a digital archive of resistance, 05:21.470 --> 05:25.190 rice education, and raw encounters with police employees. 05:26.110 --> 05:30.310 Today, we are joined by David from San Joaquin Valley Transparency. 05:30.930 --> 05:33.050 So what's up, David? Thanks for joining us. 05:33.170 --> 05:35.730 And welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast, man. 05:36.590 --> 05:39.610 Hey, Jason and Matt, thank you guys for having me back on 05:39.610 --> 05:41.690 and thank you for everybody tuning in. 05:42.370 --> 05:45.630 And yeah, man, it's nice to speak to you guys again. 05:45.850 --> 05:47.950 And also, man, thank you for the kind words. 05:48.770 --> 05:50.090 That's pretty cool to hear that. 05:50.510 --> 05:51.950 I never really think of myself like that. 05:53.030 --> 05:53.910 For sure, man. 05:54.130 --> 05:57.030 Now, we'll certainly give you credit if you're not going to do that for yourself. 05:57.130 --> 06:01.610 I know sometimes it's easy to kind of overlook all the hard work that we put in doing this. 06:01.610 --> 06:05.910 And yeah, as I mentioned, this conversation is long overdue. 06:06.810 --> 06:11.530 Not only did we have to bump you back in the schedule here a couple months until today, 06:11.590 --> 06:13.870 but we haven't talked to you since 2021, man. 06:14.070 --> 06:16.730 So definitely ready to get into this. 06:17.190 --> 06:21.350 And obviously, there has been a lot to process over the past couple weeks 06:21.350 --> 06:23.970 and actually really just the past couple months. 06:24.450 --> 06:28.790 It all seems to be moving super fast and maybe even intentionally so. 06:28.790 --> 06:32.850 But I know you've been keeping an eye on Border Patrol and ICE in your community, 06:33.150 --> 06:34.970 the community of Bakersfield, California. 06:35.350 --> 06:39.470 And you've been organizing and cop watching and showing up and showing out 06:39.470 --> 06:42.410 where there are reports of ICE and Border Patrol in your city. 06:43.050 --> 06:48.150 And while, you know, Governor Gavin Newsom did just recently sign a bill for ICE 06:48.150 --> 06:51.650 to not be wearing masks while performing their duties, 06:51.910 --> 06:54.050 it feels like it's too little too late, right? 06:54.050 --> 06:58.770 Especially when you consider that there are National Guard troops in D.C. right now 06:58.770 --> 07:02.170 and, you know, Trump has obviously threatened to send them to other cities 07:02.170 --> 07:06.690 like Chicago and New York and Los Angeles, which is close to you, you know? 07:06.930 --> 07:10.810 And we also know that Trump is a huge proponent of law enforcement 07:10.810 --> 07:14.390 and giving police these extra rights and additional resources 07:14.390 --> 07:17.770 and even more military equipment like they really need that. 07:18.310 --> 07:22.210 So I think it's safe to say that, you know, America will probably look a lot different 07:22.210 --> 07:26.210 by the end of Trump's term here if he gets his way with a lot of this stuff 07:26.210 --> 07:29.150 and continues to, you know, expand the police state. 07:29.890 --> 07:32.690 Now, in the intro, you know, I touched on the Charlie Kirk shooting, 07:32.990 --> 07:34.930 but also the ICE shooting that happened yesterday. 07:35.550 --> 07:38.510 And of course, those are only two of the most recent incidents. 07:38.910 --> 07:42.890 Apparently there's been at least four mass shootings since the beginning of August. 07:43.630 --> 07:46.650 And I don't think that's going to slow down anytime soon here. 07:47.090 --> 07:51.190 So with these equations in mind, like, I think it's safe to suggest that, 07:51.190 --> 07:54.950 you know, these events might be orchestrated to some degree 07:54.950 --> 07:58.250 or at the very least there is incentive to orchestrate them, right? 07:58.730 --> 08:00.710 There's more laws that could be rolled out. 08:00.970 --> 08:03.790 You know, there's more restrictions, more fear, more division, 08:04.110 --> 08:08.370 more police and a justification for, you know, an even bigger police state. 08:09.050 --> 08:12.330 Now, I know your work doesn't always touch on, you know, conspiracy theories, David, 08:12.410 --> 08:13.990 but I wanted to get your take on this. 08:14.110 --> 08:16.730 Like, do you think there is a chance that some of these recent events 08:16.730 --> 08:21.510 could have been planned or staged just to expand the police and surveillance state? 08:21.790 --> 08:25.450 Or it doesn't make more sense to be cautious and not to jump to conclusions 08:25.450 --> 08:28.630 and, you know, just trust the media and FBI on these matters? 08:29.510 --> 08:30.670 That's a hell of a great question. 08:31.170 --> 08:33.470 You know, I think about a lot of these things that happen, 08:33.610 --> 08:37.970 and I try to, you know, narrow down if these things are true, if they're fake, 08:38.590 --> 08:42.610 if they're Psyops, if they're, you know, incidents that really happen. 08:42.610 --> 08:46.610 You know, I'm sure you guys have heard of the Hegelian dialectic. 08:46.850 --> 08:49.890 You know, is it, is this an incident that was orchestrated 08:49.890 --> 08:54.590 or is it something that they just can capitalize, you know, from what happens? 08:54.850 --> 08:58.690 I think when you think about these things, about what happened with Charlie Kirk 08:58.690 --> 09:00.470 and about the incident, first and foremost, 09:01.030 --> 09:05.190 like I've gotten, like in a state of mind, in my heart and soul, 09:05.330 --> 09:08.390 I feel like whenever the FBI says anything at all, 09:08.910 --> 09:12.070 like I would be surprised if I actually believe them. 09:12.070 --> 09:15.330 You know, it seems like everything they say, I don't believe anything they say. 09:15.650 --> 09:18.790 You know, and so whether these things are real or fake, 09:18.930 --> 09:21.930 whether it's a Psyop or whether it's a real incident that happened, 09:22.430 --> 09:26.970 I think the thing to think about and to look out for is, 09:27.430 --> 09:30.030 like you said, the implementation of new laws. 09:30.590 --> 09:32.510 You know, what's going to come of this? 09:32.810 --> 09:33.690 You know, what's going to happen? 09:33.990 --> 09:37.050 Are we going to, you know, look at more of a police state? 09:37.910 --> 09:40.950 And so that's kind of the way I look at all these things. 09:41.050 --> 09:44.770 I try not to spend too much effort into the conspiracy theory of it all. 09:45.030 --> 09:49.210 I try to look more along the lines of maybe I'm programmed that way 09:49.210 --> 09:52.090 to look to see what's going to, what's going to come of this? 09:52.190 --> 09:53.550 What's going to be the big outcome? 09:53.770 --> 09:57.030 More laws, stuff like that, and both sides seem to do it anyways. 09:58.010 --> 10:00.970 Sure. And you know, there's a part of me that also feels like 10:00.970 --> 10:04.370 we don't need to know all the specifics as to what's going on 10:04.370 --> 10:07.590 with the Charlie Kirk assassination, because let's be honest, 10:07.690 --> 10:09.750 there's a lot of conflicting information out there. 10:09.930 --> 10:12.650 There's a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies. 10:13.470 --> 10:16.570 And so I don't know if it's intentionally being rolled out that way 10:16.570 --> 10:20.310 or if the media and the government and the FBI are just incompetent, you know? 10:20.430 --> 10:24.570 But either way, I think it speaks to a larger picture 10:24.570 --> 10:26.410 that there is something going on. 10:26.530 --> 10:27.210 There is a cover up. 10:27.250 --> 10:28.530 And I think a lot of people sense that. 10:28.670 --> 10:31.650 I think a lot of people don't know if it's necessarily a false flag 10:31.650 --> 10:35.690 or some type of PSIOP or MKUltra, or maybe it's even legit, 10:35.730 --> 10:37.490 but there's just so many questions. 10:38.110 --> 10:41.770 And this isn't even necessarily by the online conspiracy theorists 10:42.210 --> 10:43.610 who are, you know, presenting these questions. 10:43.730 --> 10:46.610 A lot of these people just are the regular normie class 10:46.610 --> 10:49.850 who just feels through their intuition and through their gut 10:49.850 --> 10:51.490 that something's wrong about this. 10:51.930 --> 10:53.590 And I completely agree, man. 10:53.690 --> 10:56.410 You know, we often say in the police accountability community 10:56.410 --> 10:58.290 that police earn the hate. 10:58.710 --> 11:00.070 They earn the hate that they have. 11:00.070 --> 11:03.450 There's a reason why people don't like police in these countries 11:03.450 --> 11:06.110 because they've earned the hate over the past few decades. 11:06.250 --> 11:09.390 And I think the same could be said about the FBI, right? 11:09.730 --> 11:11.330 They've lied so many times. 11:12.010 --> 11:14.250 They've misattributed information. 11:14.850 --> 11:16.570 They've produced misinformation. 11:17.410 --> 11:18.990 They've, you know, what is it? 11:19.110 --> 11:20.010 Say the line, you know? 11:20.170 --> 11:22.690 Like there's that popular meme, that Simpsons meme. 11:23.210 --> 11:28.510 Because the FBI not only is aware of these shooters oftentimes, 11:28.510 --> 11:30.430 sometimes they even groom them. 11:30.730 --> 11:34.610 Sometimes they even facilitate these shootings to happen 11:34.610 --> 11:37.650 by grooming mentally ill people 11:37.650 --> 11:39.570 and putting them in these types of positions. 11:40.130 --> 11:43.590 So yeah, it's hard to believe, you know, everything that's going on 11:43.590 --> 11:46.470 and it's hard to even trust a lot of government, 11:46.530 --> 11:47.450 especially after COVID. 11:47.650 --> 11:49.030 And you think that our friends on the right 11:49.030 --> 11:50.310 would probably be a little more skeptical 11:50.310 --> 11:53.850 about buying these narratives hook, lion, sinker. 11:53.910 --> 11:57.210 But unfortunately, it feels like they learned very little 11:57.770 --> 11:59.150 after the COVID years. 11:59.970 --> 12:02.310 But, you know, after the Dallas ice shooting, 12:02.670 --> 12:05.470 we've seen a wave of statements from federal officials 12:06.030 --> 12:08.190 basically labeling it domestic terrorism. 12:08.490 --> 12:10.670 And I think this kind of gets to the heart of what you're talking about. 12:11.410 --> 12:13.570 That there is going to be some type of repercussions 12:13.570 --> 12:15.050 from these things, right? 12:15.710 --> 12:19.010 And now they're really focusing on the ideological threat, right? 12:19.170 --> 12:21.870 That there's this notable shift in tone, 12:22.350 --> 12:24.010 talking more about like cracking down. 12:24.270 --> 12:25.450 They're talking about more surveillance, 12:25.450 --> 12:26.890 more pressure on activists. 12:27.610 --> 12:30.390 And as somebody like yourself who documents police behavior 12:30.390 --> 12:33.190 and does stand up, you know, adamantly for the First Amendment, 12:33.870 --> 12:38.130 do you feel like this is going to be something that does target 12:38.130 --> 12:41.390 the auditors and cop watchers to somehow be swept up 12:41.390 --> 12:42.030 in this narrative? 12:42.270 --> 12:44.470 Do you think that that line between accountability 12:44.470 --> 12:46.850 and extremism is being blurred on purpose? 12:47.650 --> 12:49.030 I do. I believe so. 12:49.190 --> 12:51.630 I believe that the First Amendment is under attack as well. 12:52.190 --> 12:53.630 You know, the whole thing with, you know, 12:53.630 --> 12:56.390 Stephen Colbert and, you know, Jimmy Kimmel, 12:57.710 --> 12:59.530 that feels like a sigh up as well. 12:59.670 --> 13:00.890 Now, I don't know if it's true or not. 13:00.970 --> 13:02.210 I don't know what's going on there. 13:02.370 --> 13:05.990 But like when Trump supposedly filed a lawsuit 13:05.990 --> 13:09.030 and won like so much, so many millions of dollars on the lawsuit, 13:09.170 --> 13:12.330 I'm just like this dude is not even in the private sector anymore. 13:12.530 --> 13:13.370 He's in the public sector. 13:13.590 --> 13:15.670 And what's crazy is this community, 13:15.870 --> 13:17.070 the First Amendment Auditing Community, 13:17.230 --> 13:19.550 we learned these things like fucking a long time ago. 13:19.630 --> 13:21.870 So this is this kind of stuff is elementary to us. 13:21.870 --> 13:24.590 And we're, and I'm sitting here watching this and I'm just like, 13:24.930 --> 13:26.050 why is this big news? 13:26.230 --> 13:27.270 Why did they cave in? 13:27.470 --> 13:28.490 Why did they pay this out? 13:28.950 --> 13:31.610 And, you know, when it comes to politics and Trump and everything, 13:31.750 --> 13:33.990 everything is, is a divide, you know, 13:34.050 --> 13:36.990 everything is all the left and the Democrats and everything. 13:37.170 --> 13:39.010 The FBI, this administration is saying, 13:39.290 --> 13:43.190 whether it's Patel or everything is a division, you know, 13:43.250 --> 13:44.170 it's jumped to conclusion. 13:44.410 --> 13:45.730 Let's keep the divide going. 13:46.170 --> 13:49.390 You know, you don't hear none of these politicians talking about like shit. 13:49.390 --> 13:52.530 This whole Charlie Kirk incident should bring us all together. 13:52.870 --> 13:53.730 You know what I mean? 13:53.850 --> 13:55.810 And there's all kinds of conspiracy shit going on. 13:55.850 --> 13:56.510 I'm not going to lie. 13:56.610 --> 13:57.390 I fucking love it. 13:57.450 --> 13:58.610 I love watching all this shit, 13:58.670 --> 13:59.870 sharing some of this shit as well. 14:00.450 --> 14:02.350 But who knows if this shit is theater, 14:02.930 --> 14:04.230 the dog and pony show, 14:04.350 --> 14:06.170 who knows if it's real or what's going on. 14:06.510 --> 14:09.510 But I mean, I just seen the new videos of the, 14:10.110 --> 14:12.610 the Snake Eyes movie, you know, 14:12.830 --> 14:14.250 many years ago with Nicholas Cage, 14:14.470 --> 14:18.870 the guy who was in the movie who got assassinated 14:18.870 --> 14:20.830 was a politician named Charlie Kirkland. 14:21.370 --> 14:23.050 It happened on September 10th. 14:23.310 --> 14:27.150 The shooter had the same name and called the executioner, 14:27.230 --> 14:30.350 the boxer in the movie and just like, damn bro, 14:30.550 --> 14:32.970 like how many coincidences, you know, can we see? 14:33.350 --> 14:35.510 But it's all a divide, man. 14:35.730 --> 14:38.990 You know, I think to myself with the whole Charlie Kirk incident, 14:39.310 --> 14:41.310 like what if this girl, Erica, you know, 14:41.350 --> 14:43.390 what if she is from the team, 14:43.710 --> 14:45.870 the Miss Teen USA pageant winners 14:45.870 --> 14:47.550 and what if she did come from Trump 14:47.550 --> 14:49.770 and what if Charlie Kirk was actually used? 14:49.910 --> 14:51.270 What if this shit is real 14:51.270 --> 14:54.610 and Charlie Kirk was actually used by these people, right? 14:55.150 --> 14:58.030 Don't you think that the Republicans and the Democrats 14:58.390 --> 15:00.130 or whatever, whatever you want to live with yourself 15:00.130 --> 15:01.850 should come together and be like, you know what, man? 15:02.270 --> 15:04.590 They did that shit to this man or this young man. 15:05.110 --> 15:06.410 Like, don't you think we should come together 15:06.410 --> 15:09.090 and ask questions like, you guys did this shit to this man? 15:09.450 --> 15:11.430 Who is this woman you guys hooked him up with? 15:12.170 --> 15:12.830 You know what I mean? 15:12.890 --> 15:14.010 I don't know if all this shit is true, 15:14.010 --> 15:17.230 but you would think that instead of creating more divide, 15:17.810 --> 15:18.890 people have questions. 15:19.150 --> 15:21.110 They want answers to find out what happened. 15:21.270 --> 15:22.530 Well, fuck man, don't we all? 15:22.830 --> 15:24.130 On both sides of the spectrum, 15:24.130 --> 15:27.290 instead of just pointing fingers like, it's this guy, it's that guy. 15:27.850 --> 15:29.270 I just keep seeing a divide 15:29.270 --> 15:32.310 and there's nothing of bringing the people together. 15:32.470 --> 15:33.450 And I think that's one of the things 15:33.450 --> 15:35.470 that the First Amendment Auditing Community did 15:35.470 --> 15:37.030 is kind of brought everybody together. 15:37.310 --> 15:41.550 Black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, you know, everybody. 15:41.550 --> 15:44.190 Red, blue, left, left, right, all everybody. 15:45.050 --> 15:47.490 I think that's why the First Amendment Auditing Community 15:47.490 --> 15:48.450 took off so well. 15:48.890 --> 15:51.130 And I think that a lot of this shit that's happening, 15:51.550 --> 15:54.030 like your question, to circle back to your question, 15:54.870 --> 15:56.610 hell yeah, it's an attack on the First Amendment. 15:56.790 --> 15:59.450 They want us to be, to see all this shit happening 15:59.450 --> 16:01.870 in the big theater so that we can be like, okay with it. 16:01.950 --> 16:04.490 Okay, well fuck man, if they're taking Jimmy Kimmel down, 16:04.530 --> 16:05.370 who the fuck am I? 16:05.770 --> 16:07.430 They're gonna take me down than anybody else 16:07.430 --> 16:09.390 that says something that they don't like. 16:09.390 --> 16:12.370 Joe Biden's administration already got caught doing it. 16:13.630 --> 16:15.070 Why not the Trump administration? 16:15.530 --> 16:16.690 Why not every other administration? 16:16.990 --> 16:18.430 Nothing happened, right? 16:18.650 --> 16:21.450 I mean, they're still up and about 16:21.450 --> 16:23.850 running these social media platforms and all these things 16:23.850 --> 16:25.270 and nothing happens to them. 16:25.770 --> 16:27.690 No, they just continue to censor, man. 16:28.150 --> 16:30.590 And like you said earlier, the Hegelian dialectic, 16:30.610 --> 16:32.190 we actually talked about that on the podcast 16:32.190 --> 16:33.630 with Ben Swann a few weeks ago. 16:34.150 --> 16:38.910 And regardless of what the cause was for this problem, 16:38.910 --> 16:42.730 the reaction and the solution by the state is always the same. 16:42.910 --> 16:45.470 You know, it's not bring people together, 16:45.470 --> 16:47.630 shit a tragedy occurred, let's talk about this, 16:47.690 --> 16:48.790 let's try to heal as a country. 16:49.270 --> 16:51.510 No, both sides point the fucking finger at the other side 16:51.510 --> 16:53.890 and stoke more divide like you just said. 16:54.190 --> 16:57.050 And it creates far more of a reaction 16:57.050 --> 17:00.650 and which then justifies the tyrannical 17:00.650 --> 17:04.650 or police state solution that is imposed on the country. 17:04.910 --> 17:06.810 And half of the people will be begging for it, 17:06.810 --> 17:08.690 you know, because they're going to be tired of these fucking ice 17:08.690 --> 17:11.910 shootings and everything else that all this reaction is 17:11.910 --> 17:14.150 from society that gets bought into 17:14.750 --> 17:16.750 or that buys into this crazy divide that keeps, 17:16.830 --> 17:18.670 that their cults keep pushing on them. 17:19.190 --> 17:21.250 It's fucking crazy to watch this unfold 17:21.250 --> 17:23.030 and watch it unfold so rapidly. 17:23.990 --> 17:25.750 Donald Trump could end this shit today 17:25.750 --> 17:26.530 like all this divide. 17:26.690 --> 17:29.030 He could hold a press conference and say like, 17:29.110 --> 17:31.030 look, it's time, you know, 17:31.110 --> 17:32.670 we have our differences with the left 17:32.670 --> 17:34.170 and we have our differences with the right, 17:34.170 --> 17:36.350 but we need to come together because 17:36.350 --> 17:39.470 we can fucking watch this shit unfold right now. 17:39.770 --> 17:41.710 But he has no intention of doing that, 17:41.730 --> 17:42.770 nor does anybody in administration, 17:43.030 --> 17:45.630 nor does anybody on the left in the government right now either. 17:45.770 --> 17:49.330 That's why you have stocks like Palantir rising to the top, 17:49.430 --> 17:52.570 you know, like they basically what you do 17:52.570 --> 17:53.930 as a first man in Otterster is, 17:53.950 --> 17:56.010 is try to provide transparency, right? 17:56.070 --> 17:58.470 With a camera, but there's like a much larger 17:58.470 --> 18:00.830 invisible surveillance grid being built on us 18:00.830 --> 18:03.250 that's going to put cameras around all of us, right? 18:03.250 --> 18:05.150 Powered by companies like Palantir. 18:05.730 --> 18:08.830 And this isn't just like a cop on a power trip anymore. 18:09.250 --> 18:12.590 It's about this AI driven police state 18:12.590 --> 18:15.490 that predicts and polices our behavior 18:15.490 --> 18:16.470 before we can even act. 18:16.710 --> 18:18.370 And it's fucking scary 18:18.370 --> 18:22.310 and it's being ready to be unveiled on us 18:22.310 --> 18:24.590 and everybody's acting exactly how they should 18:24.590 --> 18:27.330 that's going to help these people usher this in, right? 18:27.430 --> 18:30.590 This technocratic machine was embraced by Trump. 18:30.590 --> 18:33.530 And it's only and by Biden, you know, 18:33.550 --> 18:35.990 Biden tried to roll this out during COVID and he did largely 18:35.990 --> 18:38.370 and then Trump just picked up where he left off. 18:38.650 --> 18:41.510 It's the ultimate bipartisan project, right? 18:41.710 --> 18:43.310 And so your work with auditing 18:43.310 --> 18:45.630 and it's all about what you can see, right? 18:45.790 --> 18:49.670 So how do we as citizens even begin to audit 18:49.670 --> 18:51.930 or create transparency around a secret, 18:51.930 --> 18:53.910 digital fucking Panopticon 18:53.910 --> 18:56.690 that is unfolding right in front of us? 18:57.190 --> 18:58.610 Man, you know, you said it, bro. 18:58.610 --> 19:01.590 You said it and I've never actually heard anybody say this 19:01.590 --> 19:03.570 and it's so fucking simple and so powerful 19:03.570 --> 19:05.930 when you said Donald Trump could end it all. 19:06.230 --> 19:07.810 It could just say let's come together, 19:07.810 --> 19:09.550 but he ain't going to fucking do that. 19:09.590 --> 19:10.910 Not even his kids do that shit. 19:11.090 --> 19:12.290 His kids even do the same shit. 19:12.530 --> 19:15.690 Let's keep the divide going fucking Democrats and liberals. 19:15.950 --> 19:16.510 They're the problem. 19:16.830 --> 19:18.050 They're your problem, guys. 19:18.670 --> 19:20.410 You know, and right now you asked the question, 19:20.570 --> 19:22.790 you know, as far as like, where do we go from here? 19:22.870 --> 19:24.950 As far as like, you know, this mass surveillance 19:24.950 --> 19:26.150 and Palantir and everything. 19:26.150 --> 19:28.050 And, you know, it's crazy, dude, 19:28.150 --> 19:30.050 that everything is all tightened together 19:30.050 --> 19:31.790 and the Trump administration is tightened 19:31.790 --> 19:33.810 with these social media people 19:33.810 --> 19:37.750 and all these fucking, the PayPal mafia people 19:37.750 --> 19:38.670 and all this shit, right? 19:40.470 --> 19:43.870 You know, what can we do as a people? 19:44.390 --> 19:47.990 You know, whether we do it collectively or individually, 19:48.510 --> 19:50.050 what can we do as a people, right? 19:50.530 --> 19:53.250 You know, I asked that myself that question all the time. 19:53.250 --> 19:56.010 I kind of started off as an asshole with the camera, 19:56.250 --> 19:58.210 just recording cops, government officials 19:58.210 --> 20:00.170 going into government buildings, asking questions, 20:00.810 --> 20:01.670 demanding answers. 20:02.110 --> 20:05.410 And the game has escalated to, you know, 20:05.430 --> 20:07.650 getting record requests, going to city council meetings 20:08.230 --> 20:09.570 and a lot of other different shit. 20:09.730 --> 20:11.790 And I think this is kind of amazing because 20:11.790 --> 20:15.630 me, like myself, who wasn't raised in politics, 20:15.830 --> 20:17.290 didn't care too much about the shit, 20:17.710 --> 20:19.310 never cared about the left or the right 20:19.310 --> 20:20.770 or the Democrats or Republicans, 20:20.770 --> 20:23.110 because I never really paid attention to police accountability. 20:23.510 --> 20:25.650 I always thought growing up like whatever they say, 20:25.870 --> 20:26.850 you got to do it. 20:27.570 --> 20:29.550 And so along the lines, years, 20:29.890 --> 20:31.470 along the lines just recording the police, 20:31.910 --> 20:33.790 you know, I want to introduce you guys 20:33.790 --> 20:36.450 to an Instagram account here in Bakersfield 20:36.450 --> 20:38.410 called Current County Activities. 20:38.550 --> 20:40.890 You got stickers, they got merch and shit like that. 20:41.270 --> 20:42.830 And I don't know if what they did 20:42.830 --> 20:45.330 was on purpose or on accident, 20:45.370 --> 20:48.030 but they have an Instagram account. 20:48.030 --> 20:49.890 And I think this is kind of important. 20:50.670 --> 20:52.730 And recently I did some work locally, 20:53.110 --> 20:54.310 kind of straight away from YouTube, 20:54.530 --> 20:56.630 went to Instagram and connected 20:56.630 --> 20:58.050 with a lot of local people. 20:58.170 --> 21:00.690 I guess Instagram kind of connects you locally with people, 21:00.790 --> 21:01.570 which is kind of cool. 21:02.990 --> 21:04.590 So first I want to talk about 21:04.590 --> 21:06.110 the Current County Activities account. 21:06.310 --> 21:08.230 I want to talk about the Border Patrol work 21:08.230 --> 21:10.130 that I did here really quick. 21:10.230 --> 21:12.250 And I want to talk about how that led to a documentary 21:12.710 --> 21:14.590 and how some of my videos also led 21:14.590 --> 21:16.110 to a federal court injunction. 21:16.730 --> 21:18.890 Also this led to some work that in Arvin 21:18.890 --> 21:20.490 where several public officials 21:20.490 --> 21:22.970 have ended up being forced to resign 21:22.970 --> 21:26.450 or were pushed out by the city council. 21:27.390 --> 21:28.570 And these are things that 21:28.570 --> 21:31.370 because I started connecting with the local people here, 21:31.570 --> 21:33.390 a lot of people from Arvin reached out to me, 21:33.990 --> 21:34.750 a private investigator, 21:34.770 --> 21:37.970 and we ended up uncovering a bunch of corruption in Arvin 21:37.970 --> 21:39.770 and we made an impact there. 21:39.890 --> 21:42.210 And I'll explain how we were able to do that. 21:42.730 --> 21:44.790 Some of the work that I did here locally 21:44.790 --> 21:45.810 on Instagram as well, 21:45.890 --> 21:47.710 we actually helped find a missing girl. 21:48.550 --> 21:50.250 And so first I guess I can talk about 21:50.250 --> 21:51.430 Current County Activities. 21:51.630 --> 21:53.390 There's four people that run this account. 21:53.610 --> 21:54.950 I'm not involved with this account. 21:55.010 --> 21:56.810 Sometimes I wear their merch and people ask me, 21:56.810 --> 21:58.290 hey, are you Current County Activities? 21:58.350 --> 21:58.910 And I'm like, nah. 21:59.530 --> 22:01.530 But these guys post everything local. 22:02.390 --> 22:03.090 Car accidents, 22:03.610 --> 22:05.110 they'll tell you where the street is, 22:05.190 --> 22:05.950 what time it happened. 22:06.690 --> 22:08.030 People will send them everything. 22:08.030 --> 22:09.790 They don't go out with their cameras and record. 22:09.950 --> 22:11.530 Everybody just sends them everything. 22:12.170 --> 22:14.190 Fights, shit going down in the neighborhood 22:14.190 --> 22:15.930 and in the local area 22:15.930 --> 22:17.430 in the entire Current County. 22:17.570 --> 22:19.110 So there's four people running that account, 22:19.210 --> 22:21.070 pretty much 24 hours a day. 22:22.010 --> 22:23.650 And so just so you guys know, 22:23.730 --> 22:25.670 all the news agencies follow that account, 22:25.870 --> 22:28.270 all the local police agencies follow that account. 22:28.810 --> 22:30.970 A lot of the local people follow that account. 22:31.430 --> 22:32.010 And I'm not gonna lie, 22:32.090 --> 22:33.350 these motherfuckers have a sense of humor. 22:33.930 --> 22:36.810 But what was cool about this account 22:36.810 --> 22:38.530 is you see what's happening in town 22:38.530 --> 22:39.570 in real time. 22:40.090 --> 22:42.290 Like right when it happens, everybody sends them shit 22:42.290 --> 22:43.330 and they're constantly posting. 22:43.930 --> 22:46.570 And they actually grew to a big ass fucking 22:46.570 --> 22:49.090 like 200,000 followers on Instagram. 22:49.530 --> 22:51.390 Like I said, they got a sense of humor. 22:51.930 --> 22:53.450 But I've seen Border Patrol 22:53.450 --> 22:55.230 and I don't know if you guys know this 22:55.230 --> 22:56.650 but Bakersfield in Current County 22:56.650 --> 22:57.710 here in California, 22:58.470 --> 23:01.470 Bakersfield is a testing ground. 23:01.710 --> 23:03.350 A lot of shit happens here first. 23:03.870 --> 23:05.390 They had a JBX grill 23:05.390 --> 23:07.470 from Jack in the Box that opened up here. 23:07.550 --> 23:08.890 They tried to make it like a restaurant where you could 23:08.890 --> 23:10.370 drink a beer in there. 23:10.590 --> 23:12.770 They didn't do very well so they didn't put it out 23:12.770 --> 23:13.670 to the rest of the world. 23:14.310 --> 23:16.490 So when the Border Patrol started 23:16.490 --> 23:18.730 doing Operation Return Descender, 23:18.990 --> 23:20.230 Biden was still in office. 23:20.810 --> 23:22.950 So that's kind of how I know also that 23:22.950 --> 23:24.790 all this shit, they're all just puppets, man. 23:24.870 --> 23:25.530 They do what they're told. 23:26.310 --> 23:28.370 And so Operation Return Descender started 23:28.370 --> 23:29.650 happening here in Bakersfield. 23:29.770 --> 23:30.910 They opened on day one, 23:30.910 --> 23:33.470 we've seen on Current County activities 23:34.630 --> 23:35.950 that Border Patrol 23:35.950 --> 23:37.990 was conducting traffic stops. 23:38.410 --> 23:40.150 And then come to find out 23:40.150 --> 23:41.970 they had pulled over some woman 23:41.970 --> 23:44.050 at a gas station near 23:44.050 --> 23:45.770 not too far from our house. 23:46.250 --> 23:48.050 So my son Nate Skates walks in 23:48.050 --> 23:50.030 and he's like, hey, Pop, do you want to go and record? 23:50.750 --> 23:51.510 And we're like, yeah. 23:51.670 --> 23:53.890 So one of the things that we do is we record government. 23:54.130 --> 23:54.750 All government. 23:55.310 --> 23:56.270 Nobody is exempt. 23:56.870 --> 23:58.490 We got a whole government accountable. 23:58.490 --> 23:59.730 Whether it's the DMV, 24:00.570 --> 24:02.190 everywhere, Border Patrol, police. 24:02.650 --> 24:03.350 So if you're government, 24:03.830 --> 24:06.210 you need to be held accountable and recorded in public. 24:06.790 --> 24:08.490 And so we went out there and right away 24:08.490 --> 24:10.270 I do what I do best, man. 24:10.390 --> 24:11.730 I just started asking some questions. 24:12.230 --> 24:13.770 Can I get a PIO out here? 24:13.930 --> 24:15.910 Do you guys have probable cause to pull her over? 24:16.490 --> 24:18.510 PIO comes out and it's assistant chief 24:18.510 --> 24:20.370 Kim, the Border Patrol guy that wears that 24:20.370 --> 24:22.590 the cowboy hat in the tight ass shirt. 24:23.070 --> 24:25.090 And then right away I started asking him like, 24:25.210 --> 24:27.350 hey, bro, like, why'd you guys pull her over? 24:27.350 --> 24:29.430 Do you guys have probable cause? What's the deal? 24:30.010 --> 24:31.370 He didn't know how to answer my questions. 24:31.650 --> 24:34.630 And then after about 30, 45 minutes 24:34.630 --> 24:36.310 that they had parked behind her, 24:36.370 --> 24:38.490 which in my opinion was a clear case of 24:38.490 --> 24:39.970 awesome imprisonment. 24:40.250 --> 24:41.770 They didn't know how to answer the questions. 24:41.890 --> 24:42.770 So they just fucking did. 24:43.150 --> 24:43.890 They let her go. 24:44.470 --> 24:46.190 We were able to save the lady that day. 24:46.630 --> 24:48.450 And that shit was kind of a powerful moment. 24:48.610 --> 24:50.770 Like those video clips were used in a documentary. 24:52.010 --> 24:53.390 And because of that, 24:53.490 --> 24:55.210 I had gone live on Instagram 24:55.210 --> 24:57.370 and a lot of local people were just like 24:57.890 --> 24:59.410 resharing my stuff and just 24:59.410 --> 25:01.450 started following what I was doing. 25:01.610 --> 25:03.690 And so next, you know, everybody kind of collaborated 25:03.690 --> 25:06.510 and coordinated and just started driving around 25:06.510 --> 25:07.590 looking for Border Patrol. 25:07.590 --> 25:09.470 And we were doing that for like three, four days. 25:09.950 --> 25:12.370 And then next, you know, we did like a little protest. 25:12.770 --> 25:15.810 And then we started organizing with other community leaders. 25:16.030 --> 25:18.430 And then they had like a group chat on Instagram. 25:18.530 --> 25:21.190 And then we started organizing like a bigger protest, 25:21.190 --> 25:24.010 which ended up happening at the Valley Plaza Mall 25:24.010 --> 25:24.950 here in Bakersfield. 25:25.450 --> 25:28.310 And it was just a massive, massive protest, man. 25:28.630 --> 25:30.190 Like shit ton of people were there. 25:30.670 --> 25:32.870 And it was kind of cool because I was like saying things like, 25:33.390 --> 25:34.830 Hey man, you guys bring us waters. 25:35.110 --> 25:37.050 You guys bring pull up with the food trucks. 25:37.390 --> 25:38.830 You know, and then by the end of the day, 25:38.890 --> 25:40.810 I was like telling Kern County activities like, 25:41.010 --> 25:43.570 Hey bro, tell the youngsters not to burn out, man. 25:43.650 --> 25:45.110 And they're like, yeah, man, 25:45.170 --> 25:46.710 sending the message throughout Bakersfield. 25:46.870 --> 25:47.570 Like don't burn out. 25:47.970 --> 25:48.870 You know, don't burn out. 25:48.970 --> 25:50.610 We got to stay at the top of the mountain today. 25:50.950 --> 25:52.230 They want to make us look bad. 25:52.410 --> 25:52.970 Let's stay up here. 25:52.970 --> 25:55.470 The people first, you know, God first, 25:55.590 --> 25:57.870 if you believe in God, the people in the government, 25:58.030 --> 25:58.850 they're the bottom bitches. 25:59.090 --> 25:59.730 Let's keep them there. 26:00.030 --> 26:01.610 We need to stay at the top of the mountain. 26:02.190 --> 26:03.150 And so we're, you know, 26:03.190 --> 26:04.490 we're saying these things to coordinating. 26:04.650 --> 26:05.870 I even said like, Hey man, 26:06.310 --> 26:08.070 you guys local businesses around here, 26:08.110 --> 26:09.350 you guys bring us some trash bags. 26:09.510 --> 26:11.390 I'll start picking up trash and lead by example. 26:11.610 --> 26:12.490 And I did, man. 26:12.610 --> 26:14.650 I was live streaming stores, picking up trash and shit. 26:14.870 --> 26:16.850 And I told this big ass truck like, Hey bro, 26:16.910 --> 26:18.090 there's no trash cans. 26:18.230 --> 26:19.150 Can I just pull these bags, 26:19.290 --> 26:20.190 put them in the back of your truck? 26:20.250 --> 26:20.910 You guys haul them out. 26:21.230 --> 26:22.410 They're like, yeah, go for it. 26:22.410 --> 26:23.650 Next, you know, people were picking up trash. 26:24.170 --> 26:26.590 That whole damn place was cleaned by the time I went back 26:26.590 --> 26:28.510 in the morning to pick up all the rest of the trash. 26:28.910 --> 26:30.550 Hell no, bro, the people picked it up. 26:31.210 --> 26:33.290 And so a lot of that shit came about. 26:33.490 --> 26:35.370 And so the videos that came out of the documentary, 26:36.110 --> 26:38.010 I started working with local community leaders. 26:38.170 --> 26:42.170 And then the, the ACLU filed a lawsuit 26:42.170 --> 26:44.210 against the border patrol. 26:44.690 --> 26:46.330 And I went to the courthouse, 26:46.550 --> 26:47.850 the court hearing in Fresno, 26:48.510 --> 26:51.690 and the ACLU won against the border patrol. 26:51.690 --> 26:53.990 So the judge basically told border patrol, 26:54.530 --> 26:55.930 we don't have jurisdiction. 26:56.210 --> 26:57.910 I don't have jurisdiction over the people 26:57.910 --> 26:59.050 that you already picked up. 26:59.250 --> 27:01.370 But I have jurisdiction over the people 27:01.370 --> 27:02.790 that you haven't picked up right now. 27:03.170 --> 27:04.510 You guys need to start identifying. 27:05.210 --> 27:06.190 You guys need to, you know, 27:06.750 --> 27:08.510 when, when asked, you need to identify 27:08.510 --> 27:11.350 and you need to have probable cause due process. 27:11.850 --> 27:12.750 Yada, yada, yada. 27:12.990 --> 27:13.510 And next, you know, 27:13.570 --> 27:14.950 Trump is like the next day's like, 27:15.030 --> 27:15.510 Hey, I'm not, 27:15.530 --> 27:17.650 we don't got to listen to federal fucking judges. 27:18.050 --> 27:19.090 We don't have to do this. 27:19.170 --> 27:19.830 We don't have to do that. 27:19.830 --> 27:22.450 As a matter of fact, you guys are going to, 27:22.630 --> 27:24.170 you guys don't have to identify 27:24.170 --> 27:26.270 because we're going to use this nonsense 27:26.270 --> 27:28.490 that, you know, people are threatening them 27:28.490 --> 27:29.790 and yada, yada, yada. 27:30.410 --> 27:32.390 Hell nah, man, that shit is full on tyranny. 27:32.950 --> 27:34.710 And so I'm seeing all that happen 27:34.710 --> 27:36.790 with the border patrol of federal injunction. 27:37.070 --> 27:38.250 Trump is ignoring all of that. 27:38.850 --> 27:40.050 And so next thing you know, 27:40.150 --> 27:41.510 people reached out to me and they're like, 27:41.590 --> 27:43.090 you got to do some work here locally. 27:43.790 --> 27:45.450 And this is where I think I started 27:45.450 --> 27:47.430 to learn some lessons, you know, 27:47.430 --> 27:50.350 and it's crazy because you want to create 27:50.350 --> 27:52.430 some kind of change on a grand scale. 27:52.690 --> 27:54.450 But sometimes you have to start at home 27:54.450 --> 27:56.270 first too, you know, if you don't, 27:56.270 --> 27:57.990 maybe I didn't really want to work 27:57.990 --> 28:00.650 and do work and expose politicians 28:00.650 --> 28:01.830 or people around here 28:01.830 --> 28:03.570 because I didn't want to shit where I eat. 28:04.070 --> 28:05.750 But then I started going viral 28:05.750 --> 28:07.070 on Instagram locally. 28:07.350 --> 28:08.390 And so I'm like, well, fuck, 28:08.470 --> 28:09.450 I might as well start connecting 28:09.450 --> 28:10.350 with some of these people. 28:10.950 --> 28:12.710 And so they started sending me all kinds of shit, man. 28:12.850 --> 28:15.150 A private investigator sent me a packet 28:15.150 --> 28:18.830 of fucking pretty much a criminal history 28:18.830 --> 28:20.870 of the Arvin Chief of Police. 28:21.390 --> 28:22.870 The Arvin Chief of Police, 28:23.110 --> 28:25.170 his name was Alex Gazalpor. 28:25.630 --> 28:27.570 But apparently he had been fired 28:27.570 --> 28:29.550 many years ago from a different 28:29.550 --> 28:31.490 police department in Palos Verdes 28:31.490 --> 28:32.770 estates here in California. 28:33.190 --> 28:35.810 He had been fired for stealing like $17,000. 28:36.290 --> 28:38.070 This fool was fired, 28:38.490 --> 28:40.050 arrested and convicted. 28:40.470 --> 28:42.390 And then he was allowed to become 28:42.390 --> 28:43.510 a reserve officer, 28:43.510 --> 28:45.290 go through this probationary period. 28:45.630 --> 28:46.510 And years later, 28:46.510 --> 28:48.910 he was able to resubmit his plea 28:49.510 --> 28:50.610 to a not guilty plea. 28:50.810 --> 28:52.830 And they basically sweep his record 28:52.830 --> 28:53.510 under the rug. 28:53.990 --> 28:55.810 And now this guy goes on 28:55.810 --> 28:57.750 and he goes to Maricopa, California, 28:57.810 --> 28:59.210 which is here in Kern County as well. 28:59.450 --> 29:01.130 And there's only like two cops there, 29:01.390 --> 29:02.190 a really small town. 29:02.650 --> 29:04.350 And he's under the chief, right? 29:05.110 --> 29:05.850 And so this guy, 29:06.070 --> 29:07.590 these cops are pulling people 29:07.590 --> 29:08.890 over everybody around there. 29:09.010 --> 29:10.250 And the people are like, man, 29:10.290 --> 29:11.770 we're not going to drive through Maricopa no more. 29:11.770 --> 29:12.910 Man, these cops are fucking crazy. 29:13.350 --> 29:15.110 Impounding our cars for the stupidest shit. 29:15.690 --> 29:17.990 Well, they started targeting like workers 29:17.990 --> 29:19.290 that lit work in the fields 29:19.290 --> 29:20.610 or whatever around the area. 29:20.870 --> 29:23.190 And so they're just impounding everybody's fucking car. 29:23.610 --> 29:25.970 Well, come to find out the grand jury did a fucking, 29:26.230 --> 29:27.810 they came out with a grand jury report 29:27.810 --> 29:30.090 and come to find out that these fools 29:30.090 --> 29:31.810 were having like kickbacks 29:32.410 --> 29:33.670 from the tow truck companies. 29:34.230 --> 29:36.370 And they disbanded that whole damn department, 29:36.370 --> 29:37.630 which is not a big department. 29:37.710 --> 29:38.050 Like I said, 29:38.090 --> 29:39.990 there was only two cops with a few reserve officers. 29:40.590 --> 29:42.330 And this fool, Alex, 29:43.090 --> 29:44.530 he washes his hands. 29:45.050 --> 29:46.470 He goes to Arvin, California 29:46.470 --> 29:49.270 and becomes a reserve officer there for a few years. 29:49.750 --> 29:50.810 And then works, 29:51.030 --> 29:52.590 he fucking weasels his way up 29:52.590 --> 29:53.790 and becomes chief of police. 29:53.870 --> 29:55.410 And all of a sudden he's using the name 29:56.170 --> 29:57.050 Alex Gazalpor. 29:57.350 --> 29:59.390 But when he got fired and arrested, 29:59.490 --> 30:00.810 he was using Alex Gazarian. 30:01.410 --> 30:03.830 And so this private investigator sent me all this shit. 30:03.910 --> 30:05.530 And I walked up to him and I was like, 30:05.690 --> 30:07.790 Hey, bro, can I get your name in badge number? 30:08.030 --> 30:08.710 And he was like, 30:08.710 --> 30:11.210 I'm Alex Gazalpor chief of Arvin. 30:11.410 --> 30:12.470 And I'm like, well, that's funny. 30:12.590 --> 30:12.970 I was like, 30:13.410 --> 30:16.010 I have some reports right here saying that you used to use 30:16.010 --> 30:17.170 a last name Gazarian. 30:17.530 --> 30:20.070 Is it true that you used to use the last name somewhere else? 30:20.090 --> 30:20.650 And he was like, 30:20.950 --> 30:23.810 Well, my name's always been Alex Gazarian Gazalpor. 30:24.230 --> 30:25.490 You know, yada, yada, yada. 30:26.090 --> 30:29.130 And so I went and I spoke at the city council meeting 30:29.130 --> 30:31.090 and I had spoke about how, you know, 30:31.710 --> 30:34.150 a couple of different departments have offered to pay me 30:34.150 --> 30:35.630 to come and teach the First Amendment. 30:35.990 --> 30:36.650 Yada, yada, yada. 30:37.170 --> 30:39.570 And so Alex heard that. 30:39.730 --> 30:41.970 And so he walked out at the end of the council meeting 30:41.970 --> 30:43.030 and he's trying to talk to me. 30:43.110 --> 30:45.010 And he's like, you know, yo, you know, 30:45.030 --> 30:46.770 I heard what you said and I just want you to know 30:46.770 --> 30:48.150 that I'm not really a bad guy. 30:48.150 --> 30:50.750 And, you know, there are some things that are being said 30:50.750 --> 30:51.930 about me that are not true. 30:52.070 --> 30:54.050 And he's like, and just, you know, I would, 30:54.150 --> 30:55.370 you know, if you can come in here, 30:55.390 --> 30:57.330 do you have a business where we can pay you 30:57.330 --> 30:58.630 to come and teach our officers? 30:58.950 --> 31:00.970 And what you said is correct and important. 31:01.070 --> 31:02.610 And I'm just like, look, bro, 31:02.690 --> 31:03.750 I'll come take your money, man. 31:03.950 --> 31:05.550 Like I'll come in here and I'll take your money. 31:05.550 --> 31:06.430 But at the same time, 31:06.490 --> 31:07.910 I'm still going to hold you accountable, bro. 31:08.350 --> 31:10.350 I have to expose this, man, you know, 31:10.370 --> 31:12.590 and I didn't really care for that, you know, 31:12.690 --> 31:16.130 but we ended up getting rid of the city attorney, 31:16.770 --> 31:19.390 another lady that worked in the manager position there, 31:20.290 --> 31:22.550 him, Alex, and, you know, another dude. 31:23.490 --> 31:26.210 And so I was able to do some work in Arvin, California 31:26.210 --> 31:27.650 that I believe was very powerful. 31:28.170 --> 31:30.270 And the reason I think that this is important 31:30.270 --> 31:33.870 is because the community in Arvin, 31:33.870 --> 31:35.470 they didn't know any better. 31:36.010 --> 31:39.370 It's predominantly like 96% Hispanic. 31:40.010 --> 31:41.230 Most of them are Spanish speaking. 31:41.350 --> 31:42.090 It's a small community. 31:42.510 --> 31:43.370 They don't know shit. 31:43.890 --> 31:46.830 And as far as like what these politicians are doing 31:46.830 --> 31:48.590 because they're fucking constantly being lied to. 31:48.990 --> 31:51.070 And so you have all these supposed 31:51.070 --> 31:53.150 good government workers being pushed out 31:53.150 --> 31:54.670 by all these bad government workers. 31:55.150 --> 31:57.250 Alex Gazarian, Gazalpor, 31:57.410 --> 31:59.070 ended up getting the position as, 31:59.770 --> 32:01.330 as he was the chief of police, 32:01.810 --> 32:04.530 he also got the position of code enforcement supervisor. 32:04.690 --> 32:06.090 And it was supposed to go to somebody else 32:06.090 --> 32:07.610 who had been there for a lot of years, 32:07.910 --> 32:08.730 who had experience. 32:09.430 --> 32:09.990 Hell no. 32:10.510 --> 32:12.510 Alex got that position and ended up firing 32:12.510 --> 32:14.310 that guy and other people as well. 32:14.610 --> 32:16.630 And he'd been firing motherfuckers left and right. 32:16.710 --> 32:18.030 This guy's like a damn bowling ball. 32:18.590 --> 32:20.750 And so when we started doing the work there, 32:20.830 --> 32:21.590 I realized something. 32:21.670 --> 32:22.710 There was a new mayor there. 32:22.970 --> 32:24.990 And when I went to go speak at the city council meeting, 32:25.390 --> 32:27.290 the city attorney had interrupted me. 32:27.850 --> 32:29.690 And then I was like, yo, you know, 32:29.690 --> 32:31.610 can I get some of my time back because, 32:31.750 --> 32:33.010 you know, you guys interrupted me. 32:33.470 --> 32:35.390 And the mayor was like, yes, yes, you're right. 32:35.490 --> 32:37.130 Everything you're saying is important, you know, 32:37.210 --> 32:38.850 and your voice needs to be heard. 32:39.010 --> 32:40.590 Yes, you know, you're right, you weren't interrupted. 32:41.310 --> 32:43.010 You know, right away, I got a good feeling from her. 32:43.250 --> 32:44.190 You know, and that plus I've already, 32:44.350 --> 32:46.230 I've heard a lot of good things about this new mayor. 32:46.670 --> 32:49.090 Well, the chief of police was trying to get her charged 32:49.090 --> 32:50.130 for a lot of dumb shit. 32:50.190 --> 32:51.690 And he tried to get me charged as well. 32:52.270 --> 32:53.110 But he had nothing. 32:53.230 --> 32:55.250 I always do my work in the form of a question anyways. 32:56.070 --> 32:57.330 And so Alex, 32:57.330 --> 32:59.650 he ends up getting fucking canned. 32:59.970 --> 33:03.170 So what I realized was the community can't do it alone. 33:03.450 --> 33:06.030 And sometimes you have good public officials 33:06.030 --> 33:07.950 who are fighting with bad public officials. 33:08.430 --> 33:09.490 They can't do it alone. 33:09.830 --> 33:12.210 And me, the social media guy, right, 33:12.310 --> 33:14.050 with many subscribers and all that, 33:14.190 --> 33:15.190 I can't do it alone. 33:15.630 --> 33:18.310 It almost seems like it takes a collaborative effort 33:18.310 --> 33:20.690 of a small town or even a big town 33:21.090 --> 33:23.070 of people going to the city council meeting, 33:23.390 --> 33:24.910 filling up those empty seats. 33:24.910 --> 33:27.950 We're actually paying money to go to the theaters 33:27.950 --> 33:29.710 and watch movies and shit. 33:30.350 --> 33:32.090 And these seats are free. 33:32.670 --> 33:34.870 If you go in there and you start asking questions, 33:34.970 --> 33:36.250 you're going to find a fucking circus. 33:36.770 --> 33:38.750 Because these people are doing some shit 33:38.750 --> 33:40.410 they ain't supposed to be doing. 33:41.550 --> 33:44.490 And so it does take a lot of the community members 33:44.490 --> 33:46.510 that reached out to me. 33:46.710 --> 33:48.610 It did take some of the public officials 33:48.610 --> 33:50.950 that were in there to vote a certain way. 33:51.450 --> 33:53.930 It did take my social media as well, 33:53.930 --> 33:57.550 my work to inform the people of Arvin 33:57.550 --> 33:59.870 to put the pressure on some of these public officials 33:59.870 --> 34:02.270 for these public officials 34:02.270 --> 34:04.390 to start voting out these bad public officials 34:04.390 --> 34:05.170 who are in there. 34:05.330 --> 34:08.290 Now, I'm not saying that these supposed good public officials 34:08.290 --> 34:10.130 are never going to get corrupted 34:10.130 --> 34:12.930 because, man, if you stay in politics long enough, 34:13.210 --> 34:14.730 you're probably going to become corrupt. 34:15.430 --> 34:15.830 Who knows? 34:16.110 --> 34:16.410 No doubt. 34:17.210 --> 34:19.410 Man, it sounds like Alex was a gypsy cop. 34:20.830 --> 34:22.470 He was fired from one place, 34:22.470 --> 34:23.430 went to the next place. 34:23.830 --> 34:26.090 But a whole new level gypsy cop, 34:26.210 --> 34:27.750 like the final boss in gypsy cop 34:27.750 --> 34:28.850 that becomes a police chief 34:28.850 --> 34:31.110 and then the code inspector. 34:31.930 --> 34:34.370 Man, I know Jason and I both talked before this 34:34.370 --> 34:36.430 about wanting to know what you've been doing 34:36.430 --> 34:37.730 since we last caught up 34:37.730 --> 34:39.930 and you basically filled us all in, man. 34:40.130 --> 34:40.590 Thanks for that. 34:40.750 --> 34:41.990 It catches us up 34:41.990 --> 34:44.570 and it sounds like you've been hard at work, man. 34:45.270 --> 34:47.610 You had mentioned some things about the ICE raids 34:47.610 --> 34:49.970 and how they were rounding up workers and stuff. 34:50.130 --> 34:51.330 And I know San Joaquin Valley, 34:51.330 --> 34:53.750 they do have like a bit of a, 34:53.750 --> 34:55.250 like some farmland out there that's worked. 34:55.670 --> 34:57.130 But like nationally, you know, 34:57.190 --> 34:59.390 the political narratives all about demographics 34:59.910 --> 35:02.230 and voting blocks and, you know, 35:02.310 --> 35:05.810 Trump ran on a platform of economic prosperity 35:05.810 --> 35:07.230 and getting tough on crime. 35:07.310 --> 35:09.790 And he supposedly, you know, 35:09.810 --> 35:12.010 made a big headway with Latino voters. 35:12.050 --> 35:14.350 But my guess is that shifting, right? 35:14.450 --> 35:16.730 When the reality of the police state kicks in, 35:16.850 --> 35:19.350 we got, you know, this abstract policy becomes 35:19.350 --> 35:22.330 this crazy action we see on the street 35:22.330 --> 35:24.770 where we see, you know, reports of ICE raids 35:24.770 --> 35:27.650 where they're not just rounding up fucking 35:27.650 --> 35:30.190 MS-13 criminals like they claimed to do in the beginning, 35:30.210 --> 35:33.010 but they're going into these agricultural communities 35:33.010 --> 35:37.410 with sweeping raids and mass arrests 35:37.410 --> 35:40.450 and they're building these fucking concentration camps 35:40.450 --> 35:41.290 on U.S. soil. 35:42.070 --> 35:45.230 It's absolutely flabbergasting what they're doing, man. 35:45.750 --> 35:47.890 And there's this huge disconnect 35:47.890 --> 35:50.370 between like the tough on crime rhetoric, right, 35:50.470 --> 35:53.190 that wins votes and then the brood reality 35:53.190 --> 35:55.310 of seeing kids ripped from parents' arms 35:55.310 --> 35:59.090 and fucking, and like right in your own backyard, you know, 35:59.150 --> 36:02.490 and people's, like, that they've known for 20 years 36:02.490 --> 36:03.990 that have worked in their house forever 36:03.990 --> 36:07.230 and all these different people that are clearly no threat 36:07.230 --> 36:08.650 and have been here for a long time 36:08.650 --> 36:11.590 being rounded up and shipped off and pulled from their families. 36:11.790 --> 36:14.210 It's a crazy scene and it's weird to see that happening. 36:14.590 --> 36:16.350 It's sad to see that happening in the United States. 36:16.350 --> 36:19.030 But so from your perspective on the ground, 36:19.050 --> 36:21.890 like, what is the sentiment in your town right now? 36:22.190 --> 36:23.790 Like, are you seeing a shift? 36:23.970 --> 36:24.930 I mean, I'm sure you saw a shift 36:24.930 --> 36:26.910 if there were people supporting Trump, right? 36:27.050 --> 36:29.450 If there's a big Latino community supporting Trump, 36:29.630 --> 36:31.870 are they having second thoughts 36:31.870 --> 36:33.930 as they witness the reality of these raids 36:33.930 --> 36:34.970 on their streets now? 36:35.230 --> 36:36.990 And like, what's the word on the ground, 36:37.070 --> 36:39.810 like, away from the talking heads in D.C.? 36:39.810 --> 36:41.430 Damn good fucking question, bro. 36:41.730 --> 36:44.030 On point, my neighbor across the street 36:44.030 --> 36:46.690 just took down his Latinos for Trump flag. 36:47.970 --> 36:50.150 I don't know if he's an ice worker or what. 36:50.410 --> 36:51.050 He's never home. 36:51.950 --> 36:53.790 Since all this started, he's never home. 36:54.490 --> 36:56.670 I really don't know, but there is... 36:56.670 --> 36:57.930 Here in Kern County where I live, 36:58.090 --> 37:00.450 Kern County is a conservative county in California. 37:01.370 --> 37:02.150 Imagine that. 37:02.610 --> 37:05.190 So there are a lot of Latinos for Trump here. 37:05.310 --> 37:06.610 There's some famous ones too, man, 37:06.690 --> 37:08.110 that do like podcasts and shit. 37:08.170 --> 37:09.390 And I gotta say, man, 37:09.530 --> 37:11.070 like, I'd be seeing their shit on Instagram 37:11.070 --> 37:14.590 and the rhetoric they still spew to this very day 37:14.590 --> 37:16.290 is fucking unbelievable. 37:16.830 --> 37:18.510 But it does seem like Trump 37:18.510 --> 37:20.250 is losing supporters along the way. 37:20.550 --> 37:23.250 He has lost some Latinos for Trump. 37:24.130 --> 37:26.310 He has lost some of his own, 37:27.010 --> 37:28.570 I would say, voters. 37:29.130 --> 37:31.810 When they had the No Kings rally here in Bakersfield, 37:32.470 --> 37:33.250 I attended. 37:33.490 --> 37:33.890 I was recording. 37:34.070 --> 37:34.590 I was documenting. 37:35.450 --> 37:37.750 And I gotta say, man, it's not just Trump. 37:37.850 --> 37:38.410 It's the Democrats. 37:38.990 --> 37:40.190 I'm standing on stage 37:40.190 --> 37:41.750 and I'm trying to get a chance to speak 37:41.750 --> 37:44.050 because I want to remind everybody to go record the police. 37:44.670 --> 37:46.430 And I'm waiting there to speak 37:46.430 --> 37:48.930 and there's this guy who's getting ready to vote against 37:49.970 --> 37:51.610 David Valadeo, Congressman. 37:52.590 --> 37:54.750 And he's standing on the podium 37:54.750 --> 37:55.850 and he's saying like, 37:56.350 --> 37:59.730 we need to vote all these Republicans out. 38:00.610 --> 38:02.110 And I look... 38:02.110 --> 38:03.590 Because I'm standing on stage looking out 38:03.590 --> 38:04.730 into the crowd of people. 38:05.810 --> 38:06.930 And I gotta say, like I said, 38:07.390 --> 38:08.990 Bakersfield is a conservative county 38:09.550 --> 38:12.050 and there were some Republicans and conservatives 38:12.050 --> 38:13.910 that actually came out to the No Kings rally. 38:14.130 --> 38:15.450 Bakersfield was packed with people. 38:16.270 --> 38:18.130 But when I looked into the crowd, 38:18.170 --> 38:19.130 when the guy said that, 38:19.330 --> 38:22.890 I seemed like a handful of people just kind of duck their heads 38:22.890 --> 38:24.870 and just turn around and walk away. 38:25.490 --> 38:27.070 And I'm like, this motherfucker right here 38:27.070 --> 38:31.070 just possibly lost like a handful of Republican voters 38:31.070 --> 38:32.510 that he could have actually went over 38:32.510 --> 38:33.790 because these guys, 38:34.610 --> 38:37.390 it was several different MAGA hats in the fucking street 38:37.390 --> 38:38.970 that people were throwing and shit too. 38:39.210 --> 38:41.390 I don't know if these are MAGA hats that people bought 38:41.390 --> 38:42.010 just to throw, 38:42.230 --> 38:43.870 but it could be that people were just like 38:44.350 --> 38:45.590 leaving the MAGA party. 38:46.010 --> 38:46.590 You know, I don't know. 38:46.830 --> 38:48.650 You know, especially when Trump started talking about 38:48.650 --> 38:51.710 the Epstein files as a fucking hoax 38:51.710 --> 38:55.450 and this guy's losing his fucking support, man. 38:55.750 --> 38:58.670 And you know, it's all the crazy shit, man. 38:58.990 --> 39:01.170 And this guy fucking ran on, 39:01.250 --> 39:02.250 he's gonna drain the swamp 39:02.730 --> 39:05.410 and come to find out the motherfucker's fucking 39:05.410 --> 39:08.410 and God damn runs the swamp and shit too, you know. 39:09.210 --> 39:12.390 Our friend, Sal DiAgaris posted a tweet the other day 39:12.390 --> 39:15.610 when it said Trump ran on a platform of drain the swamp 39:15.610 --> 39:18.370 and I didn't realize that swamp was just another word 39:18.370 --> 39:19.770 from Netanyahu's ballsack. 39:20.310 --> 39:21.430 Yeah, I've seen that shit. 39:21.570 --> 39:22.050 It's hilarious. 39:24.050 --> 39:25.950 Well, I think that really highlights, yeah, 39:26.010 --> 39:27.930 the power of what we can do, you know, 39:27.990 --> 39:30.470 in our own communities as far as just, you know, 39:30.670 --> 39:34.370 having these types of actions and protests and stuff. 39:34.370 --> 39:36.710 And, you know, I guess we might have some mixed feelings 39:36.710 --> 39:40.150 as to ultimately, you know, what protests accomplish. 39:40.930 --> 39:42.350 And there's a lot of people on the right 39:42.350 --> 39:44.090 who try to kind of naysay. 39:44.650 --> 39:46.990 I think in some ways they are visual representations 39:46.990 --> 39:49.230 of the people around us 39:49.230 --> 39:51.470 and where we currently sit with our sentiments 39:51.470 --> 39:52.890 towards politics. 39:53.050 --> 39:54.650 But it sounds like people are hungry, 39:54.650 --> 39:56.590 especially in your community. 39:57.030 --> 39:59.410 Ultimately, it is important for us 39:59.410 --> 40:00.930 to express ourselves one way or another, 40:01.390 --> 40:04.110 regardless if you know all the ins and outs 40:04.110 --> 40:06.150 of every topic, whether you have 40:06.150 --> 40:07.770 a big social media following or not. 40:08.330 --> 40:10.550 All these things I think help kind of push 40:11.110 --> 40:12.430 the ball in a certain direction 40:12.430 --> 40:14.710 and kind of help swing the pendulum back. 40:15.390 --> 40:16.170 It's all important, man, 40:16.350 --> 40:18.550 and very grateful that you're out there doing that. 40:19.210 --> 40:20.850 And you've evolved, man. 40:21.030 --> 40:22.850 You know, we talked about that a bit here 40:22.850 --> 40:24.170 with your work, you know. 40:24.350 --> 40:26.190 It's one thing to stay on the internet 40:26.190 --> 40:28.750 and, you know, to produce information 40:28.750 --> 40:30.370 and share ideas. 40:30.530 --> 40:32.050 I think it's equally as valid, 40:32.050 --> 40:34.750 but ultimately we need to be doing more work 40:34.750 --> 40:35.890 in our communities, right? 40:35.990 --> 40:38.610 And I could say that for myself as well. 40:39.090 --> 40:42.030 Sometimes it is easy to kind of get lost 40:42.030 --> 40:43.650 in the bigger picture of things 40:43.650 --> 40:44.850 in the national conversation 40:44.850 --> 40:47.210 and not participate in the things 40:47.210 --> 40:48.530 that are in your backyard, you know. 40:48.630 --> 40:50.530 And I think, yeah, if we all did that 40:50.530 --> 40:51.910 and there is a term for it, you know, 40:51.930 --> 40:52.510 it's localism. 40:52.590 --> 40:54.670 If we all participated more in the localism, 40:55.010 --> 40:56.210 our own individual communities 40:56.870 --> 40:58.290 probably would be a lot better. 40:58.710 --> 41:00.490 But I also get the fear because 41:00.490 --> 41:03.210 by doing so, and if you do so effectively, 41:03.530 --> 41:06.210 you are essentially painting a target on your back 41:06.210 --> 41:07.990 and we all know, you know, us three 41:07.990 --> 41:10.050 in this conversation know how easy it is 41:10.050 --> 41:12.870 for police to manipulate the facts, 41:13.030 --> 41:16.670 for police to criminalize non-criminal offenses, 41:16.690 --> 41:20.390 to try to justify some type of legal action 41:20.390 --> 41:22.430 against you, or even just make your life miserable 41:22.430 --> 41:24.690 by harassing you or gangstalking. 41:25.330 --> 41:27.650 I mean, all these things aren't completely outside 41:27.650 --> 41:29.030 of the spectrum of possibility. 41:29.910 --> 41:32.570 So I for one am grateful that you've, you know, 41:32.610 --> 41:35.130 shifted your focus a bit, David, 41:35.150 --> 41:37.130 even though, you know, you were incredibly effective 41:37.850 --> 41:40.090 creating the videos on YouTube 41:40.090 --> 41:41.310 and doing the auditing. 41:41.630 --> 41:43.430 But when duty calls, you know, 41:43.490 --> 41:44.710 we have to step up to the plate. 41:44.810 --> 41:46.430 It sounds like that's exactly what you're doing. 41:46.870 --> 41:48.250 Now, I do have one more question here. 41:48.290 --> 41:49.590 I know we're getting a little bit low on time 41:49.590 --> 41:52.110 and we did start a little bit late today, 41:52.130 --> 41:53.870 so we'll probably have a shorter podcast than normal. 41:54.050 --> 41:56.630 But, you know, there has been a wave of protests 41:56.630 --> 42:00.030 this year against things like surveillance tech 42:00.030 --> 42:02.470 and facial recognition and Palantir 42:02.470 --> 42:05.010 and what they do with predictive policing. 42:05.410 --> 42:06.770 And, you know, 10 years ago, 42:06.890 --> 42:08.910 people would have called it all paranoia 42:08.910 --> 42:11.410 to say that cops would be scanning license plates 42:11.410 --> 42:14.250 or using drones to, you know, 42:15.050 --> 42:17.850 spy on us essentially in real time. 42:18.250 --> 42:20.170 But now it's becoming a standard practice 42:20.170 --> 42:22.010 and a lot of departments, 42:22.150 --> 42:23.750 a growing number of departments across the country 42:23.750 --> 42:25.990 with systems like, you know, Flock and Clearview. 42:26.730 --> 42:28.590 It's not just about watching. 42:28.790 --> 42:29.630 It's about identifying. 42:30.070 --> 42:32.130 It's about documenting and cataloging 42:32.130 --> 42:33.690 and profiling people, you know, 42:33.850 --> 42:35.870 and the predictive policing services 42:35.870 --> 42:37.290 that Palantir provides 42:37.290 --> 42:39.590 only seems to be kind of gaining steam. 42:39.870 --> 42:42.990 So I was curious if you think that this kind of tech 42:42.990 --> 42:45.470 is going to have some type of chilling effect 42:45.470 --> 42:47.670 on independent media and protests, you know, 42:47.710 --> 42:50.790 because if people feel like they're going to be targeted, 42:51.070 --> 42:53.130 they feel like they're going to be tracked and flagged. 42:53.130 --> 42:55.710 And yeah, essentially creating that target on their back, 42:55.890 --> 42:58.170 there might be more hesitancy 42:58.170 --> 43:00.110 to show up and speak out and film 43:00.110 --> 43:02.210 and do these things that we know is important 43:02.210 --> 43:05.330 to create some type of level of transparency and accountability. 43:05.750 --> 43:09.050 So do you think that that's part of 43:09.050 --> 43:12.610 why they're pushing so hard with the surveillance state? 43:13.070 --> 43:14.910 And yeah, do you feel like this is going to 43:14.910 --> 43:17.490 negatively affect some of the progress 43:17.490 --> 43:18.950 that we've made through protest 43:18.950 --> 43:20.310 and activism over the years? 43:21.210 --> 43:21.930 Yeah, absolutely. 43:22.410 --> 43:25.610 And I do got to say that I'm not sure if you know this, 43:25.690 --> 43:27.370 but, you know, I learned, 43:27.470 --> 43:29.470 you said that I've progressed and I want to thank you for that 43:29.470 --> 43:32.870 and I do believe that knowing you and talking to you 43:32.870 --> 43:34.750 actually helped me along the way. 43:35.170 --> 43:36.610 And I've, like I said, 43:36.690 --> 43:37.710 I talked to a lot of different people 43:37.710 --> 43:39.710 and I tried to learn from everyone. 43:40.170 --> 43:42.070 But I don't know if you guys know this, you and Matt, 43:42.770 --> 43:45.110 but I, you know, I learned a lot from you guys. 43:45.310 --> 43:46.590 Like I read your posts, 43:46.590 --> 43:50.330 like I know I learned about Palantir through you guys. 43:50.650 --> 43:52.450 And I'll say that, you know, 43:52.530 --> 43:54.270 you just spoke about the flock camera systems. 43:54.450 --> 43:56.550 Because of you guys, I spoke about 43:56.550 --> 43:58.890 against the flock camera systems 43:58.890 --> 44:00.630 in this small town of Arvin, California 44:00.630 --> 44:01.670 that I just spoke about. 44:02.390 --> 44:04.530 Because of you guys, I was able to go in there 44:04.530 --> 44:05.790 and speak and talk to the people, 44:05.950 --> 44:08.890 talk to the mayor, talk to some of the people 44:08.890 --> 44:09.930 at the public meeting 44:10.590 --> 44:13.350 and speak against the flock camera system. 44:13.530 --> 44:14.350 Just so you guys know, 44:14.350 --> 44:17.730 your work has actually helped Arvin 44:18.710 --> 44:21.330 stop, you know, these flock camera systems 44:21.330 --> 44:22.810 from being put up in Arvin. 44:22.970 --> 44:24.490 So I want to thank you guys for that as well. 44:24.930 --> 44:26.670 Through you guys, I learned about that. 44:26.710 --> 44:27.930 So I was able to speak on that 44:27.930 --> 44:30.970 and able to halt that just a little bit. 44:31.090 --> 44:33.610 But are we a little too late? 44:34.290 --> 44:36.510 You know, they do have the flock camera systems 44:36.510 --> 44:37.410 here in Bakersfield. 44:37.630 --> 44:39.330 Bakersfield is a fucking pretty big place. 44:40.110 --> 44:43.190 They do have these, you know, a lot everywhere. 44:44.250 --> 44:44.690 Already. 44:45.170 --> 44:47.210 Before we even knew what the fuck was happening, 44:47.310 --> 44:48.230 they already did this. 44:49.610 --> 44:52.490 And the government is 10 steps ahead of all of us. 44:52.810 --> 44:54.650 You know, I think it needs to get to the point 44:54.650 --> 44:56.790 where we stop being confused 44:56.790 --> 44:58.730 and finding each other and start questioning government. 44:59.190 --> 45:01.570 You know, why isn't the... 45:01.570 --> 45:04.370 In reality, you know, it's funny, you guys, 45:05.070 --> 45:07.230 some of the posts you guys put up, 45:07.350 --> 45:10.150 there's some of the most realist fucking shit ever. 45:10.150 --> 45:13.270 You know, like, why is nobody talking about this? 45:13.310 --> 45:14.610 This is one of the biggest stories now. 45:14.930 --> 45:17.590 You know, you guys continuously pushed that 45:17.590 --> 45:18.550 because it's true. 45:18.990 --> 45:22.050 We're not fucking talking about Palantir, you know, enough. 45:22.970 --> 45:24.850 You know, and like I said, man, 45:25.210 --> 45:27.770 a lot of these people, man, you have... 45:27.770 --> 45:31.050 And the social media influencers, man, 45:31.610 --> 45:34.570 they're big, you know, might as touch on the left. 45:35.430 --> 45:38.010 You know, you have other folks on the right, 45:38.010 --> 45:42.190 both sides, and they get tons and tons of views, man, 45:42.270 --> 45:44.490 hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of views and shit 45:45.010 --> 45:46.910 on the same shit, same topics and everything, 45:46.930 --> 45:48.910 but they're not talking about these things, man. 45:49.310 --> 45:54.330 And it seems like the people who are on kind of like, 45:55.150 --> 45:56.950 you know, I'm not leaning left nor right, 45:57.030 --> 45:58.250 I'm just gonna move forward, you know, 45:58.350 --> 46:00.490 I'm gonna try to bring everybody together 46:00.490 --> 46:03.110 and have some kind of... find some kind of common ground. 46:03.810 --> 46:05.110 Those channels are not going anywhere. 46:05.350 --> 46:07.110 You don't really see them, you know, going anywhere. 46:07.110 --> 46:09.150 People that are trying to talk about these types of things, 46:09.210 --> 46:12.910 they try to, you know, halt these videos from being shared. 46:13.270 --> 46:15.550 You know, my channel is being shadow banned 46:15.550 --> 46:17.730 because I talk about some of these things. 46:18.010 --> 46:19.850 You know, I try to sneak them in like Easter eggs 46:19.850 --> 46:21.510 or fucking breadcrumbs and throw it in there, 46:21.510 --> 46:23.850 but I believe they catch on to that shit 46:23.850 --> 46:26.650 and they be making my videos not go viral sometimes. 46:27.550 --> 46:29.170 But, you know, like I said, man, 46:30.010 --> 46:31.090 all this stuff, yeah, bro, 46:31.210 --> 46:33.330 I think we should be talking about it more. 46:33.870 --> 46:36.690 We should be collectively Democrats and Republicans, 46:36.690 --> 46:38.530 questioning this, trying to stop it, 46:38.950 --> 46:40.450 doing what we can, you know, 46:40.690 --> 46:42.250 living off grid, if possible. 46:42.850 --> 46:44.690 You know, even back in the day 46:44.690 --> 46:46.750 when everybody talked about global warming and shit, 46:46.770 --> 46:47.610 I used to think to myself, 46:47.690 --> 46:49.310 well, fuck, if that's the case, 46:49.370 --> 46:51.390 why don't we just live like cavemen and shit, you know? 46:52.170 --> 46:53.410 We're gonna stop all the craziness, 46:53.510 --> 46:55.210 we just gotta go back and live like cavemen. 46:55.470 --> 46:59.270 But we're too fucking dependent. 46:59.990 --> 47:01.370 You know, we're dependent on teachers 47:01.370 --> 47:02.810 to teach us to educate us, 47:03.010 --> 47:05.690 kind of cops to fucking to protect and serve 47:05.690 --> 47:07.130 and, you know, keep us safe. 47:07.330 --> 47:09.390 And lawyers, we depend on them to fucking, 47:09.510 --> 47:11.230 you know, defend us in court. 47:11.450 --> 47:13.130 We depend on doctors to heal us. 47:13.310 --> 47:15.970 And we're just, we as a people have become dependent. 47:16.210 --> 47:18.430 We depend on government to fix things. 47:19.270 --> 47:20.810 They ain't fixing shit, people. 47:21.570 --> 47:23.130 And one more thing, Jason, before, 47:23.690 --> 47:25.710 you know, I end this, I guess, 47:25.970 --> 47:27.990 or my everything I wanted to share. 47:28.610 --> 47:29.790 You know, when you talked about, 47:29.990 --> 47:31.310 we all need to try to, you know, 47:31.390 --> 47:33.030 work a little bit more in our communities. 47:33.710 --> 47:36.070 There's many different things you can do in your communities. 47:36.190 --> 47:37.690 It's not just police accountability. 47:38.090 --> 47:39.930 If you're a little bit too afraid to approach 47:39.930 --> 47:43.190 police accountability, you know, everybody out there, 47:43.750 --> 47:44.790 there's things you can do. 47:45.490 --> 47:47.350 Clean up local, clean up efforts, 47:47.710 --> 47:49.250 you know, just different type of shit. 47:49.810 --> 47:51.930 And one of the things that I was able to do, 47:52.330 --> 47:54.010 you know, connecting locally with the people 47:54.010 --> 47:54.850 was save a girl. 47:55.350 --> 47:57.150 A father reached out to me and he was like, 47:57.230 --> 47:59.710 hey man, we're trying to find my daughter 47:59.710 --> 48:01.410 and she's in the Oildale area 48:01.410 --> 48:03.310 and she's 13 years old 48:03.310 --> 48:04.950 and she ran away with some tweaker fool 48:05.430 --> 48:07.570 and she's in that area and people have seen her 48:07.570 --> 48:08.570 and I'm trying to find her. 48:08.990 --> 48:12.210 Can you post this on your story on YouTube? 48:12.430 --> 48:13.950 I mean, on Instagram. 48:14.890 --> 48:16.150 And I was like, you know what, bro? 48:16.210 --> 48:16.810 Yeah, why not? 48:17.270 --> 48:19.210 And so I did and then I was, 48:19.390 --> 48:21.030 and he ended up calling me when we were talking 48:21.030 --> 48:22.090 and I was like, you know what, bro? 48:22.690 --> 48:25.330 I just dropped my daughter off right here at school. 48:25.870 --> 48:27.030 I'm in the fucking area. 48:27.310 --> 48:28.590 I'll just drive around, bro. 48:28.590 --> 48:30.750 Give me a description, send me a picture, whatever. 48:30.910 --> 48:31.490 And I'll drive around. 48:31.690 --> 48:33.630 I'll just, I'll just start looking for it, bro. 48:33.710 --> 48:34.350 Why the fuck not? 48:34.990 --> 48:35.630 And so I did. 48:35.790 --> 48:37.970 I was driving around and then I went live 48:37.970 --> 48:40.050 and then I was like asking people to join in 48:40.050 --> 48:42.090 and then people started joining in looking for her. 48:42.530 --> 48:43.750 Bro, I was going to stores. 48:44.270 --> 48:45.770 I was going to trailer parks 48:45.770 --> 48:48.250 and asking the managers like, hey man, 48:48.590 --> 48:50.650 you guys see everybody that comes in and out of here. 48:50.730 --> 48:51.570 You guys got cameras. 48:52.010 --> 48:53.090 This is her flyer. 48:53.210 --> 48:54.550 You guys fucking see her. 48:54.670 --> 48:55.130 Call the police. 48:55.330 --> 48:55.950 Let's get her home. 48:56.290 --> 48:56.910 Call her dad. 48:56.910 --> 48:57.790 Here's the dad's number. 48:58.330 --> 49:00.970 And I don't like, you know, people call police and shit, 49:01.070 --> 49:02.950 but missing girl running away with a tweaker. 49:03.090 --> 49:03.790 I'm like, fuck, bro. 49:04.430 --> 49:05.590 The dad's giving the number here. 49:05.950 --> 49:07.190 I was pulling over. 49:07.430 --> 49:09.610 I was talking to people who were sitting outside the yards 49:09.610 --> 49:11.950 and we kind of had an area of where she was at. 49:12.470 --> 49:14.150 And we were putting the pressure on, man. 49:14.210 --> 49:14.950 We were going live. 49:15.110 --> 49:17.070 And then my daughter, I picked up from school 49:17.070 --> 49:18.590 and she joined in on the search. 49:18.730 --> 49:21.650 And then I went back all fucking night. 49:21.770 --> 49:22.550 I was looking for her. 49:22.630 --> 49:24.350 And then the next day I went out looking for her. 49:24.430 --> 49:25.070 I'm not in line, man. 49:25.070 --> 49:27.710 She was tiring, but it was, I don't want to say it was fun, 49:27.750 --> 49:28.770 but it was kind of exciting. 49:28.930 --> 49:30.850 Like I was like, fuck, let's find this motherfucker. 49:31.530 --> 49:33.610 And I was like, you guys find that full green light? 49:34.390 --> 49:36.750 If you guys find this full green light, the motherfucker. 49:37.570 --> 49:40.610 But sure enough, man, after a couple of days of doing that, 49:40.650 --> 49:42.890 she called her dad and she was like, 49:42.970 --> 49:43.870 I want to come home. 49:44.030 --> 49:46.470 Dad, like the guy kicked me out already. 49:46.650 --> 49:48.670 Like he's afraid. 49:49.570 --> 49:51.750 It's that guy with the hat because I was wearing my fucking 49:52.990 --> 49:55.110 This is that guy with the hat driving around, man. 49:55.350 --> 49:56.870 Everybody's saying to watch out, you know, 49:56.950 --> 49:58.230 that guy's going to find you guys. 49:59.190 --> 50:00.650 And everybody's sending him information. 50:00.870 --> 50:02.010 We put a lot of pressure on, man. 50:02.310 --> 50:03.490 And the little girl came home. 50:04.230 --> 50:06.010 And I got to say, man, just connecting 50:06.010 --> 50:08.390 like some of these things that we're able to do locally. 50:09.130 --> 50:09.970 It's big, man. 50:10.110 --> 50:12.790 You know, it feels so fucking good to do some of these things. 50:13.050 --> 50:15.490 And I just want to do it a hell of a lot more, you know, 50:15.870 --> 50:17.670 try to help locally, if possible. 50:19.250 --> 50:20.750 Dude, that's fucking awesome, David. 50:20.750 --> 50:22.350 I mean, that's great, brother. 51:02.670 --> 51:05.050 This isn't just about supporting a podcast. 51:05.570 --> 51:08.070 It's about standing for freedom, exposing corruption, 51:08.350 --> 51:10.710 and building a movement that inspires real change. 51:11.410 --> 51:13.610 And if you want to go beyond liking and sharing, 51:14.030 --> 51:16.330 we'd love for you to become a member of the Free Thought Project. 51:16.790 --> 51:19.150 Just head over to the freethoughtproject.com 51:19.150 --> 51:20.730 and click on the TF2 podcast. 51:20.730 --> 51:23.110 T.P. membership link at the top of the page. 51:23.570 --> 51:26.070 As a member, you'll be directly supporting our mission 51:26.070 --> 51:27.610 and helping us to stay independent. 51:28.310 --> 51:31.090 Your support is what keeps this platform alive and fighting. 51:31.790 --> 51:33.790 So, thank you for being part of this journey, 51:33.950 --> 51:36.830 for sharing these ideas, and for standing with us. 51:37.810 --> 51:40.370 And we do actually, we have time for one more question, man. 51:40.490 --> 51:42.850 But before we let you go, I just want to say, 51:42.930 --> 51:44.070 thanks for coming back home, man. 51:44.170 --> 51:45.690 It's been really great, dude. 51:45.910 --> 51:47.550 Four years, I guess, has been way too long. 51:48.250 --> 51:50.090 You know, we've been following your work since the beginning. 51:50.090 --> 51:54.130 That's how we all met back in the day and it's been incredible to watch your evolution, dude 51:54.130 --> 51:55.830 Like you're not just filming cops anymore 51:55.830 --> 52:02.310 You know you started out as one of the top auditors and for good reason, you know, you quickly ascended to the top there 52:02.930 --> 52:07.990 But you've grown into a mission like you what you were describing dude is pretty awesome like something way more powerful 52:07.990 --> 52:10.190 You're not just documenting, you know the broken system 52:11.110 --> 52:15.770 You're you're going to the source and going to these these city council meetings pressure and politicians 52:15.770 --> 52:19.530 That's what fucking finding lost children. That's that's awesome, dude 52:19.530 --> 52:22.030 That is real. That's how you get real systemic change, man 52:22.030 --> 52:27.130 You're a you're a testament to how one person can evolve their activism and strike the root 52:27.990 --> 52:31.870 As peter air would say, yeah, we talked about a lot of stuff today, man 52:31.870 --> 52:36.730 Some of it was kind of heavy, you know, and it's it's a lot people can easily get blackpilled 52:36.730 --> 52:39.370 Listening to this or talking about this all the time 52:39.370 --> 52:42.590 But you you you are like a walking solution, man 52:42.590 --> 52:47.090 What you're doing is is how this gets undone. This is how we reverse this 52:47.790 --> 52:48.590 total fucking 52:50.430 --> 52:55.210 Spiral in the despotism, right? You work's a constant reminder that fight for liberty is worth it 52:56.010 --> 53:01.150 So to close this out, man, what what gives you hope right now? What is your white deal? 53:02.510 --> 53:08.630 Honestly, man, it's it's talking to you guys right now, you know, first of all, you guys are showering showering me with all these 53:09.430 --> 53:11.770 Compliments and I just got to say fuck, bro. Thank you 53:11.770 --> 53:14.450 You know, sometimes you crave that and you don't get it 53:14.450 --> 53:16.190 But today you guys gave that to me, you know 53:16.190 --> 53:21.510 You guys see the work that I that I have done and I'm trying to do and and you guys appreciate it and see it 53:21.510 --> 53:26.450 And I appreciate you appreciating that so thank you guys and and also thank you for the tremendous work 53:26.450 --> 53:27.430 You guys do as well 53:27.430 --> 53:35.210 I believe that what happened in effort was also some of the salt that you guys sprinkled on to all of this 53:35.210 --> 53:40.450 You know, you guys it's your work as well, too, man, you know, it's a collective effort from a lot of people 53:40.450 --> 53:47.310 It's having an open mind talking to people look bro. I didn't cut people off because there were Democrats or liberals 53:47.310 --> 53:49.070 I didn't cut people off because they were 53:49.730 --> 53:57.610 Maga, you know, I still have a homie who's fucking all for Trump big time and I have another homie who's fucking all the way left and 53:58.450 --> 54:03.150 I try to keep an open communication with everyone because I think we can all learn from each other 54:03.150 --> 54:06.570 it's important to know the other guys argument and solutions man 54:06.570 --> 54:10.990 You know, it's crazy to say that because I think we can always bitch and complain about things 54:10.990 --> 54:16.910 But if we're not trying to find a solution for it, then what are we doing other than bitching and complaining and 54:16.910 --> 54:18.630 You know, I think that 54:19.030 --> 54:23.130 You know, sometimes we have to bring this information out. You guys bring information out a lot 54:23.690 --> 54:28.490 And I don't know if you guys sometimes see the impact that you guys make as far as that like 54:28.490 --> 54:35.390 You know, like I said, you guys had a hand to Narvin as well. So thank you guys Mary takes a collaborative effort. Oh 54:35.390 --> 54:39.290 Yeah, man, I think that was well said you have a friend. That's a Maga guy and a friend 54:39.290 --> 54:42.430 It's far left like that's the fucking solution right there 54:43.770 --> 54:46.810 This is stop being an asshole talk to people 54:47.490 --> 54:53.670 Find that common ground and that's how we move forward man. We're David. Thank you so much for coming on brother 54:53.670 --> 54:59.770 It was been it's been awesome. Thank you guys for the opportunity man. So much respect for you guys and your work 55:00.330 --> 55:04.530 Thank you brother. That means a lot man. Thank you brother till next time free thinkers 55:05.950 --> 55:06.650 Thank you 55:06.650 --> 55:17.490 Thank you for listening to the free thought project podcast and please don't forget to rate review and subscribe 55:19.650 --> 55:22.910 Free minds free people