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Yeah!

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Let's do this.

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Action.

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.

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Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire.

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As you can see, I think I have a rant coming on here in just a moment.

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But first, let's talk about the incredible day that we are sitting in right now

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as we speak.

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The advisory committee on immunization practices is in a meeting at the CDC.

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It's like no meeting that we have seen in decades, maybe ever.

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Real questions being asked, science being challenged.

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What were the studies?

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How long were they?

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What evidence do we have?

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How many kids are at risk?

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What proof do we have of the risk?

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Things that we have never seen take place, even though everyone in America believed

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that this was how these meetings were happening.

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But they weren't.

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Back in 2017, the advisory committee on immunization practices at that point was a

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country club for pharma.

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This is where pharma went to celebrate the billions of dollars they were going

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to be made as they just used ASIP to pass through their lack of safety testing

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to rush a brand new vaccine onto the market.

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And they would run out as soon as it was approved by the ASIP and the

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newspapers would write, you know, Pfizer going to make a billion dollars

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on their new vaccine.

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That's when Aaron Seary, our attorney for the informed consent action network,

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called me and said, Del, you know, we're winning lawsuits against the government.

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We're beating the FDA, CDC, HHS, NIH.

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But we're never going to make a difference here if we don't go to the

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heart of the problem where these vaccines are being approved and put on the schedule.

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That's the advisory committee on immunization practices.

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Why don't we go to those meetings?

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He said they're actually public hearings, even though the public

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isn't going, and we might even be able to submit and have you make a statement on

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a microphone from the public.

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So back in 2017, Aaron and I went to that hearing.

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We were the only ones there, as far as I know.

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Maybe there's one or two others out there that weren't representing pharma.

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I got up and spoke about the dangers of the vaccine program and a slight

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discuss for how I had seen things happen there.

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We came back from that and started broadcasting the live stream cuts

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that we'd made of the ridiculous conversations that were happening at ASIP.

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The next ASIP came around and we brought a bunch of people.

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Now we had a handful of people all showing up.

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The third ASIP after that, suddenly we had 50 people all getting on the

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microphone and talking about our issues, parents of vaccine-injured children

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stepping up and telling their story.

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Something that had never happened in the halls of this country club ever.

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And then finally, when hundreds started showing up from our side, the intelligent side,

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the questioning side, the hesitant side, they suddenly changed the way the entire

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format worked.

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They put a giant rope across the room, whereas once we could sit amongst

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everyone else, now we were pushed to the backs of the room,

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like Rosa Parks on a bus.

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Pushed to the back of the room with a rope we could not cross.

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That side's pharma, the rest of you dirty people, you at the back.

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Still we spoke on microphones and then moments after that, of course, COVID hit

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and they made it so that there was never a public hearing again.

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But today the tables have completely turned.

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Today, live streaming on X, if you've been watching on the high wire, at

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High Wire Talk, we've been streaming these hearings from the very beginning this morning.

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They'll be going all day.

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They're going right now as we're broadcasting on our own channel.

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Tomorrow we'll be broadcasting on every High Wire channel, including our website.

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And if everything sticks to schedule at 9.30 a.m. Eastern time, our own Aaron Seerey

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will be giving an entire discussion.

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8.30 Central, 9.30 Eastern time.

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Aaron Seere is going to be giving a presentation at the Advisory Committee

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on Humanization Practices.

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So he's no longer sitting in the seat.

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He's definitely not out behind some ropes.

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He's going to be up in there.

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And by the way, if you really wanted to recognize a shift and the way things are going,

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Dr. Robert Malone has been the one overseeing these hearings

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because Kirk Milhawn, who is supposed to be the chair, couldn't make it,

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so the vice chair is standing in his seat and running the hearings.

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It is clear now we live in a totally different world.

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A world that those of you that have been helping fund ICANN, the work that we're doing,

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today should be one of the greatest celebrations you've ever had.

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You have literally proven that we can change the world.

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You know, never doubt that a small group of passionate citizens can change the world

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because indeed it's the only thing that ever has.

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This is who is going to be voting.

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We're expecting a vote today on Hepatitis B, which is the conversation of the day.

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My understanding is there may be a discussion right now on whether they're

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going to push that back.

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They're terrified of that vote.

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You know, pharma has got to be ringing the hooks,

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ringing the phones of everyone that's on that panel.

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Maybe even threatening jobs, I don't know.

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But this is a historic moment happening in the United States of America.

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It's a historic moment, certainly for health.

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Health and human services and science, as we know it,

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the scientific method is alive and breathing and real questions are finally happening.

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But why am I sitting here in front of this?

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What is this all about?

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This is inspired by a video that Paul Offit was a part of.

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This is one of the great vaccine shills known to man.

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He is an author on the Bible on vaccines, Plotkin's vaccines.

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He appears in court cases, defending vaccines, supporting vaccines.

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There's the authors of the Bible on vaccines right there.

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Stanley Plotkin, Walter Ornstein, Paul Offit, and Catherine Edwards.

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If you watch this show, you know all of these individuals.

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But Paul Offit, of course, who's made millions and millions of dollars off of his own

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rotovirus vaccine, did not, by the way, recuse himself from this very committee,

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the ASIP community, while he was making a rotovirus vaccine,

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did not recuse himself for a vote to add rotovirus vaccines to the childhood schedule,

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just to show you how completely corrupt these people are.

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That's not a conflict of interest.

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You stand to make millions of dollars in the future when you're done making your vaccine,

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and you think it's appropriate for you to vote yes on adding a rotovirus vaccine to the schedule

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when you are making a rotovirus vaccine.

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I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

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We've outed all of these things, and it's why, by the way,

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Robert Kennedy Jr. is now HHS secretary,

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and the advisory committee on immunization practices is now called ASIP.

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Want to add that little feature?

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They always wanted to call it ACIP.

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We changed that.

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We think it should be called ASIP, and it is.

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So anyway, here is the video that really lit a fuse in me this week,

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and not maybe for the reasons you might think when you first watch it,

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but let's see what you think of what he's saying here.

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If you alter the vaccine injury compensation program and make no

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doubt about the fact that that is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s interest,

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he's already hired a law firm out of Arizona that has an expertise

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in the vaccine injury compensation program with a goal towards altering it.

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And what I predict is going to happen,

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and so I'm going to make something you should never do on any sort of podcast,

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I'm going to make a prediction.

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Here's my prediction.

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Probably by no later than early next year, maybe the spring of next year,

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you are going to see Robert F. Kennedy Jr. holding up some paper

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that he's going to publish in a journal that is a fringe journal.

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I'll put that nicely.

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The journal that he uses is called Science, Public Health and the Law,

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which has an editorial board that consists solely of anti-vaccine activists.

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So he's going to publish this paper that says that

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aluminum adjuvants in vaccines are causing harm.

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Now, aluminum adjuvants are in seven different vaccines given to young children,

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not like thimerosal, where you can just go from multi-dose to single-dose well.

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There's no taking aluminum adjuvants out of vaccines.

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There are certain vaccines that just need adjuvants to get a better immune response.

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What he's then going to do is he's going to say,

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see it's causing autism, asthma, eczema, whatever.

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And he's going to either add that to the vaccine injury compensation program,

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which will break that program, or he will take vaccines out of the

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vaccine injury compensation program and say,

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I don't think they should get the protection of that program.

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Let's leave them open to the slings and arrows of outrageous civil litigation.

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Obviously, Paul often now finds himself in an incredibly defensive position.

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For many that were watching that video that was posted online,

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I think the obvious thing is essentially what's happening here is Paul off,

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it's looking to his little crystal ball and somehow psychically is going to predict

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what Robert Kenny Jr. is going to do.

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Essentially, this is the same thing as if the Wizard of Oz suddenly said,

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I am going to predict that Dorothy and a lion and a tin man are going to come

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and pull back a curtain and reveal that the Wizard of Oz is not a wizard at all,

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that the science has sucked all along.

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And instead of having real robust science that is stood for the scientific community,

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all that is there is a little guy in a chair and that little guy might just be me.

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That is what most people were talking about.

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Of course, he's predicting the very thing that he's been a part of covering up the entire time.

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But that is not what struck me in this statement.

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Not that he's obviously afraid of Robert Kennedy Jr.

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undoing the entire lie that he's weaved for decades and made millions from.

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Now instead, what I thought was the most important part of this statement

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is he has finally delivered something that everyone has asked me about.

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Why, Dell?

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What would possibly be the motive?

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Why would the government lie about vaccine injury?

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Why would it hide the science?

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Why would it take away liability and then never do any actual science?

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It doesn't make sense.

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Are doctors just trying to kill people?

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Is Paul Oppett really an evil person who just wants to destroy children's lives?

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It doesn't make sense, Dell.

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There's no motive.

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Really?

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Well, Paul Oppett just gave you the motive.

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Let's focus in on exactly what that motive is.

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Not just for Paul Oppett, but for maybe everyone in science,

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everyone certainly that supports a vaccine program,

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including every government of the world.

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Listen to it closely.

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Here comes the motive for the crime.

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You are going to see Robert F. Kenney Jr. holding up some paper.

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He's going to say, see, it's causing autism, asthma, eczema, whatever,

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and he's going to either add that to the vaccine injury compensation program,

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which will break that program.

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There you have it.

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Now he's going to say, Paul, I mean, what Robert Kenney Jr. is going to do,

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I predict, is he's going to connect aluminum adjuvants,

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which is in seven of the 16 vaccines, can't be taken out,

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never been tested for safety, but cannot be removed.

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But he's going to take aluminum, and he's going to say that it's connected to autism.

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He's going to attach vaccines and autism.

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And if he does that, he's going to break the vaccine injury compensation program.

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Break it.

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Okay?

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So what is the motive for a cover-up?

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He didn't say, if science, and by the way,

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he's trying to make it about Robert Kenney Jr., but listen to what he just said.

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Do you think he would be happy with any scientists in the world

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doing a study that connected vaccines and autism,

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if his belief is that will break the system?

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See, this is what they know.

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This is what they've been protecting.

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Doesn't matter if it's Robert Kenney Jr.,

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Del Baitree, or Dr. Marcus Zerbo said Henry Ford Health Systems at the

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heart of our film and Inconvenient Study.

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There can never be a connection between vaccines and autism,

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or the system will break.

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I posted about this video.

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This is what I wrote in my post this week.

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And by the way, if you're not following me at Del Baitree, you should,

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because I have rants too in the middle of the night, like Donald Trump.

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Dr. Paul Offit accidentally admits the real motivation behind the autism cover-up.

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If aluminum is found to cause autism, it will break the vaccine program.

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He is correct.

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So never doubt why your government use shills like Offit to block

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any science that would link vaccines to autism.

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The cost would overwhelm the entire health system,

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and thus the motivation for the crime.

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Now there's one little post, some guy commenting,

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I love this because this just shows when they really think they've got to

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gotcha.

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He said it will break the vaccine injury compensation program,

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not the vaccine program.

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Huge difference.

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Geez, do better.

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I wrote, you obviously haven't done the math.

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Huge difference indeed.

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So why don't we talk about the math today?

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How big a motivation would this be?

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There's a motive for a crime which is important for every single legal case,

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whether it's a murder or a fraud case.

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Why?

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Why did they do it?

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So let's go back to the 1986 vaccine injury compensation program.

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This is the moment in the United States of America

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that the pharmaceutical industry said to Ronald Reagan and our Congress,

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we are losing so much money from death and injury cases,

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we cannot make a profit.

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Their statement, not mine.

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A product so bad, we can't afford to make it anymore.

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Not like all the other drugs where we lie to you,

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we know we're lying and you discover years later in courtrooms that,

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yeah, we always knew it caused heart attacks.

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We always knew it killed people.

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We always knew the talcum powder caused cervical cancer,

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but it took you 50 years to figure it out.

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And guess who made billions of dollars before that happened?

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See, that's the pharmaceutical industry we all know and love.

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But in this case, it had caught up with them.

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So many lawsuits, they couldn't make a profit.

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Ronald Reagan hates the idea.

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He doesn't want to give liability protection,

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but what's he going to do?

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He doesn't want to see the end of the vaccine program,

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especially somewhere in the future.

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There's going to be a biological attack.

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How are we going to make vaccines to protect ourselves?

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And so with his hands tied behind his back,

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he signs on to the 1986 vaccine injury compensation program,

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which takes all liability away from the pharmaceutical industry

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and puts it all on the government of the United States of America

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and specifically a vaccine injury compensation program, VICA.

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And in this case, every vaccine is going to have a little tax.

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That little tax will go to a fund.

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We will pay off everybody being injured by vaccines

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because what they admitted is we know vaccines injure people.

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That's why you're in court all the time.

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But instead of having a regular court system,

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we're going to have a no-fault court where we admit

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it's injured your child.

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There's a list of the injuries we admit to

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and we're just going to pay you and send you on your way.

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And guess what?

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They were paying for autism.

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Autism was paying out in the cephalopathy,

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brain swelling, which they fully recognized took place.

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One of the most common injuries reported

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across the world from vaccinations.

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But every payout was about $5 million.

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But then suddenly the government realized, oh snap,

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we got a problem.

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No one bothered to ask Pfizer or Merck

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or any of the pharmaceutical industries exactly

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how many lawsuits do you have?

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How big a problem is this really?

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How insurmountable is it?

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I mean, I guess we should have thought about the fact

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that you wanted to walk away from the program all together,

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but they didn't.

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And then suddenly after 1986 by the year 2000,

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this is what they saw.

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Outside the courtroom, the vaccine court

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of the United States of America,

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over 5,000 cases of autism lined up

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to be paid their $5 million

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for being injured by vaccines.

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And all of a sudden they realize, oh my God,

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we have a little bit of a problem here.

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How are we going to handle all these cases?

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What is that going to cost?

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What are we going to do?

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They had no idea the problem was this bad.

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So did they go and do better science

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as they fix the vaccine, figure out why he's doing this?

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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We've got to run some sort of court scam

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to kick all of these people out of court.

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So here's what they came up with.

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Let's have what will be called the omnibus proceeding.

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So in the omnibus proceeding, they decided of the 5,000,

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and by the way, just for visual reference,

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this is only 1,000.

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Okay, just going to put that out there.

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Here's what they decided they're going to do.

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We're going to take six, select six, one, two, three, four, five,

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randomly selected six cases.

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And we are going to have a court.

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We're going to bring each one of these in the court one at a time.

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If any one of these randomly selected cases

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ends up proving that vaccines can cause autism,

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then the 5,000 will get their day in court.

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But if we get lucky enough that none of these six cases

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can prove a connection between vaccines and autism,

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this will be over, this will not be our problem.

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And so this is how it goes down.

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Case number one, Michelle Cedillo.

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Michelle Cedillo ends up in this court case.

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They decide that because of the leading witness in the world,

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the leading authority on vaccines, Dr. Andrew Zimmerman states

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unequivocally that there is no mechanism by which a vaccine

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could have caused Michelle Cedillo's autism.

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Therefore this case is thrown out, it loses, it's done.

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One down, five to go.

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Next up, Hannah Polling.

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Now Hannah Polling, same thing,

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regressed into autism right after vaccinations.

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Only one problem here.

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Hannah Polling's father is a neurologist, John Polling.

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And to take it one step further, John Polling works inside

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of the same health system as Dr. Andrew Zimmerman,

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the world's leading authority on autism

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and the primary witness for the Department of Justice.

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He has the government that is fighting these poor parents.

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The government's against them.

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You against the government of the United States try to beat us.

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Well John Polling says, hey Dr. Zimmerman,

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we are colleagues.

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I want you to look at the health records of my daughter

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because I'm a neurologist.

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I've tracked her all the way along.

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I can show you something I never would believe in my own eyes.

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My daughter did regress into autism right after vaccinations.

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Obviously I gave her a vaccines

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because I went to the same med school you did

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and I thought they were perfectly safe.

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But she regressed into autism before our very eyes.

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Here's videos, here's proof.

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Andrew Zimmerman studies Hannah Polling

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and he comes to a new conclusion.

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He says, oh my God, I've discovered

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why for some kids vaccines can cause autism.

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It's an underlying mitochondrial disorder,

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the energy of the cells.

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And somehow the energy is not productive enough

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that when the inflammatory event

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that is caused by vaccines happens,

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it was unable to quell that inflammation

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before it reached her brain,

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causing encephalopathy, a swelling of the brain

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and resulted in a symptom called autism.

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So he rushes to the lawyers

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at the Department of Justice.

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The night before this is going to go

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and he's going to be on the stand

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and he says to the lawyers,

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hey, look, I've discovered it.

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I've discovered why many of these kids

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may be regressing into autism.

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I'm the leading authority in the world

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and I've just studied Hannah Polling

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and it's a mitochondrial disorder.

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And they say, great Dr. Andrew, that's fascinating.

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You're fired.

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What?

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You're fired.

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We don't want you in court tomorrow.

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That's how they handle their leading witness

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and they send him home.

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And they take the Hannah Polling case

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and they take it off to the side

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and they settle it on its own.

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They move it out of the queue

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and they end up paying

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what is believed to be over 20 million dollars

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over the life of Hannah Polling,

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not five, 20 million dollars.

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Before John Polling was silenced,

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this was him on Sanjay Gupta and CNN.

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Take a look at this.

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We are here with Dr. John Polling.

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He is, first of all, he's a neurologist.

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He's also the father of Hannah Polling,

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as you just mentioned.

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Her autism, her case of autism diagnosis

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was conceded by the federal government

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as having been contributed to by vaccines.

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That was a pretty startling thing,

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I think, for a lot of people to hear.

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We talk to a lot of experts about this.

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They say, look, vaccines in no way cause autism.

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You're a neurologist.

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You're also the father of Hannah.

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What do you say?

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Well, I think you bring up a really important point

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is that the government,

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actually the Department of Health and Human Services,

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conceded that my daughter's medical problems,

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which are autism and cephalopathy seizures,

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were brought on by vaccination.

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That's startling, I think, for a lot of people to hear that.

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Because we've been taught for so long.

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You're a doctor. I'm a doctor.

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We go to medical school.

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We hear those vaccines, obviously.

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There's so many good things about vaccines.

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They prevent life-threatening illnesses

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that we've heard about.

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But in your daughter's case,

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it turned out to be a problem.

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I wouldn't have believed it till it happened to me.

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To be honest with you, as a doctor,

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until it happened to me,

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until I saw the regression,

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until I saw a normal 18-month-old toddler descend

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into autism,

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I wouldn't have believed it was possible.

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So what you believe is that Hannah

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has some sort of predisposition,

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and then the vaccines tipped her over the edge

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into developing autism.

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What is your belief now?

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Well, I don't think that vaccines

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are the only way that you can tip over a child

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like Hannah to regress and have an encephalopathy

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and have a regress into autism.

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There are probably multiple triggers.

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In my daughter, clearly, it was the vaccinations.

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That was our experience.

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As far as other families' experiences,

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it may be different.

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The other cases that were at Johns Hopkins,

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there were only a few like Hannah,

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and then others regressed for other reasons.

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It's not really a known entity.

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I mean, I don't know, for those of you

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that may be new to this show,

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maybe that's the first time you've ever watched that.

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So anyone that tells you

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that it's never been proven that vaccines cause autism,

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it has been proven in court.

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And Sanjay Gupta knows it when he says this

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on television ever since.

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We don't know what causes autism.

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I mean, that's fair to say.

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We're not sure as a scientific community

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what causes autism,

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but we know that vaccines do not.

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I wonder when he's saying that,

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every time he says it, is it in the back of his head

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going, Hannah, polling, Hannah, polling?

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Don't think about Hannah polling.

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Forget about Hannah polling.

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Forget about John polling.

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Forget about the science.

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Forget about winning in court.

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Just keep saying it.

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Just keep saying, I don't know.

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I don't know what makes Sanjay Gupta tick,

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but I do know for a fact that is one doctor

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and one scientist that knows for a fact

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that this case right here

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was thrown out of court,

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hidden from the public,

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silenced after that video

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and settled for $20 million.

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So next up, Yates Hazelhurst.

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This child does have a mitochondrial disorder,

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autism right after vaccinations.

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They end up running the case.

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And instead of Andrew Zimmerman showing up,

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what do they do?

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We look at the case right here.

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They don't bring him on to the stand,

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but boy do they quote him.

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They still quote Andrew Zimmerman in the testimony,

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there is no scientific basis

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for a connection between the MMR vaccine

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or mercury intoxication and autism,

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despite well-intentioned and thoughtful

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hypothesis and widespread beliefs

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about an apparent connection

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with autism and regression.

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There's no sound evidence

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to support a causative relationship

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with exposure to both or either MMR and or

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HD, mercury, all of these things.

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That was Zimmerman's statement.

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So they knew he'd evolved his statement.

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They took this case, fired him,

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took this case and settled it,

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but kept using his original statement,

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total and complete fraud

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by the government of the United States.

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That is a fraud,

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his down by the Department of Justice

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committed fraud

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and then threw out this case

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and everyone others,

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not on their own using Zimmerman,

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but lying about what his understanding was

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because he had finally learned

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and woke up

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and they wouldn't let him

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to a courtroom.

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This is what took place

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and why did it take place?

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What is that motive

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Paul Offit's talking about?

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This is what Paul Offit's talking about.

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If it is ever determined

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that hand up polling was right,

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had this case ever gone,

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how it had,

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suddenly every one of these people

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can be lined up in this courtroom

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with the potential to win

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five million dollars.

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So let's do some math.

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When Paul Offit says

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it'll break the system

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and some dork is telling me

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he just said

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the vaccine

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inquiry compensation program,

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not the whole,

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the whole vaccine program, Del,

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get real.

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Oh yeah?

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You haven't done the math,

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so we'll do it, shall we?

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There are,

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at this moment,

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in 2007 in this case,

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there were 5,000 cases, right?

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Let's multiply that, shall we,

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by the average payout

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of five million dollars.

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What does that equal?

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25 billion dollars

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is what was potentially at stake

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for our vaccine

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injury compensation program.

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To date, right now,

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as we understand it,

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there's somewhere between

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four and five billion

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complete, totally,

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in the system.

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It's paid out five,

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has roughly 4.5 billion

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in the trust to pay awards.

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Right now, after 40 years

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of existence,

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it has 4.5 billion.

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So it's going to come up really short,

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back in 2007,

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we are going to pay this out,

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25 billion dollars.

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I have news for you.

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That doesn't just flatten

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the vaccine injury compensation program.

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Obviously, it doesn't have that much money.

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And this is just autism.

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How far does this go?

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This wipes out HHS.

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This wipes out the vaccine program.

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This potentially wipes out

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your entire health department.

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HHS gone.

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What does it do with the government?

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And it made me think,

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and when I really started thinking about this,

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was Jason Chaffetz was a congressman

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that was the head of the OGR Committee.

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He actually watched VaXT

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and was really into VaXT.

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Check out those numbers,

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about 2009 to 2017,

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but he'd watched VaXT

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and I had several meetings with him.

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In fact, I was joined by Mark Blacksell,

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who was actually at the ACIP meeting today,

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reporting on behalf of the CDC.

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But Mark Blacksell and I were sitting

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in a meeting with Jason Chaffetz

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multiple times,

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and he was really curious about

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Dr. William Thompson.

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But he said something in the second or third

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meeting that I had with him

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over the course of many months,

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because we were trying to get him

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to bring Dr. William Thompson

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in front of the congress

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to have a public hearing

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to hear about the fraud

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that he was talking about

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at the center of VaXT,

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of course, the cover-up

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of the MMR autism vaccine study

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that clearly was manipulated.

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They kicked half the kids

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off the study, committed fraud,

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at this exact time period, by the way.

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Same time period.

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Remember, the government is looking

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at $25 billion bill that cannot pay.

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So we've got to do this.

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We've got to do the omniscient proceeding.

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We've got to do a fake study,

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a fraudulent study inside the CDC.

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Oh, guess what else is happening?

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Over in England,

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they're destroying Andy Wakefield's

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connection to the MMR vaccine

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because England's got the same freaking problem.

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Billions and billions of dollars.

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You've got to ruin this guy's career

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because he's onto something.

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He, even in this paper, says,

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look, I'm looking at 12 kids.

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It looks like autism is connected

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to some bowel disease

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that they got while they got the MMR vaccine.

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He says this doesn't prove causation,

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but means we should study it further.

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That was the big smoking gun

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that destroyed Andy Wakefield's job.

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Daring to say to someone like Paul Offit,

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just study it.

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Yo, bro, if we study it

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and we find out that it causes autism,

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we are effed.

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$25 billion.

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So Jason Chaffetz,

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and I'm sitting there across from him,

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and he said something

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that took me a while to figure out.

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I said, Del, if we call William Thompson

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in front of America,

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what will happen?

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I mean, in all honesty,

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how big do you think this is?

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Where does this end?

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I didn't quite understand what he meant,

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but as I laid in bed that night

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and many after I thought,

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he's right.

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This is like the first time you divide atoms.

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You're going to blow up a nuclear bomb

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for the first time.

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There's a question.

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Do the atoms ever stop splitting?

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Do they ever stop?

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Does it kill everything in sight?

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Because certainly,

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certainly at $5 million a case,

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it's going to destroy the CDC

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and all the CDC credibility

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if we discover that the government lied

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about the safety of this product

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that it actually causes autism.

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CDC is screwed.

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$25 billion?

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No, wait, what do we add?

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Like a $6 billion budget,

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I think for HHS?

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Screw it, gone.

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All of the health departments

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but then you got to start imagining

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Jason Chaffetz is sitting there going,

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but what about the government itself?

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What happens to the government in the United States?

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What happens about my job?

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What happens about the president?

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What happens about the greatest nation in the world?

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What does a $25 billion bill do?

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Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second.

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That was $25 billion back in 2007.

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Where would we be at right now?

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Hey, how about we run those numbers?

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It is now believed,

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let's go over to my calculator here,

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that there are 73 million,

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100,000 approximately children in America,

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as we speak.

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There's numbers all over the country,

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ranging at 31, now 1 in 31.

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But in California,

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why don't we look at California,

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where the number has now gotten

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as high as 1 in 12.5 boys,

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with girls included,

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look at the bottom, 53.1 California,

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that's 1 in 19.

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1 in 19 children in California

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are being diagnosed with autism.

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And they're saying in California,

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it's not because there's anything wrong

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with our water,

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or the fact that Gavin Newsom

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has one of the most authoritarian

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forced vaccine programs

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the world has ever seen,

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it might weigh in a little bit.

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But what they're trying to say in California

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is we think this is the fate

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of the whole country,

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we just have better systems in place,

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better tracking systems

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than anywhere else in the world.

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So let's just take it on,

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because this is what you're going to do

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if you work for the government of the United States,

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let's take on a worst case scenario.

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So if we go ahead and say,

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all right, so 1 in 19,

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let's divide 73.1 million by 19,

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that means that there's potentially

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3,847,000 cases of autism

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in America right now.

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Now imagine if it comes out,

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whether it's Robert Kennedy Jr.,

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just decent science

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that proves that vaccines actually

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can cause autism,

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which makes perfect sense.

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Certainly all these eyewitnesses

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can be wrong,

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and Hannah Poling wasn't wrong,

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Zimmerman wasn't wrong,

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John Poling wasn't wrong,

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Sanjay Gupta wasn't wrong

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for about 45 seconds of his life.

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And so what does that mean?

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Well, let's multiply that

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by the cost of raising a child

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with autism in America,

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including taking care of them

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once they're adults.

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Get ready for this.

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$19 trillion, $236 billion,

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$842 million, $263,000 dollars,

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dollars, $19 trillion.

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Last I checked,

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the entire debt of America,

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which we're worried could sink us

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all this $30 trillion.

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Let's go ahead and add another $20 trillion

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to that just for autism.

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So when Paul Offit says,

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if anyone called it Robert Kennedy Jr.,

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ever gets as far as connecting

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vaccines to autism,

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we're finished.

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This program that I wrote a Bible on

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with Stanley Plotkin,

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Walter Orenstein, and Catherine Edwards,

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this program that I built

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with my bare hands playing God

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for the world is over.

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In fact, I might have just bankrupted

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the United States of America.

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So, folks,

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if you're going to commit a crime,

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what would be the motive?

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Would $19 trillion make you think twice?

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I think it made Jason Chapitz think twice.

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Almost, I think, weeks

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after my final conversation

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with him where he asked me

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how big is this?

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He quit.

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Walked away from his job early.

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I've never seen anything like it.

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I can't say it's because of this conversation.

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Pretty sure his grandkids

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are not vaccinated though.

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We had really good conversations

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about vaxed

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and he was very, very concerned

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about this issue.

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But think about it.

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You're a class president.

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You believe in the government.

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You make it all the way to Congress

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or Senate or maybe in President

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of the United States

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and suddenly you're handed

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just a truth-telling moment.

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Let's just do the science and show.

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What everyone knows,

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vaccines cause autism.

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Oh, wait a second.

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That's not just going to bankrupt

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our health care system.

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That might just bankrupt

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the greatest nation in the world.

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So, Yeh Tazelhurst got another day

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in court years later.

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This time, Erin Ciri

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was working for ICANN

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and we sent him down to that case.

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And in that case,

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which you've seen before,

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they brought in Catherine Edwards,

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another shill,

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doing her job

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to make sure that no one

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ever connects vaccine to autism

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because there's a mountain of evidence.

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There's a mountain of science.

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Obviously, we've never been afraid

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of costing the government $19 trillion.

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We rushed right in

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into the best science

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you could possibly imagine

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to get to the bottom of that conversation.

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And here it is in court.

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Watch this once again.

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In the expert disclosures

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for this case,

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it asserts that,

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among other things,

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you will testify that quote,

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the issue of whether vaccines

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cause autism

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has been thoroughly researched

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and rejected end quote.

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It's your testimony

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that MMR vaccine

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cannot cause autism.

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That's correct.

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It's your testimony

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that HIV vaccine cannot cause autism.

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That's correct.

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It's your testimony

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that EIPOL cannot cause autism.

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Yes.

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It's your testimony

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that HID vaccine cannot cause autism.

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Yes.

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It's your testimony

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that Varicella vaccine

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cannot cause autism.

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Yes.

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It's your testimony

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that Prevnar vaccine

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cannot cause autism.

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Yes.

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And it's your testimony

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that DTAP vaccine

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cannot cause autism.

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Yes.

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And you have a study

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that supports that

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DTAP doesn't cause autism.

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I have,

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I do not have a study

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that DTAP

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cause autism. So I don't have either. Do you have any study one way or another of whether

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IPOL causes autism?

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I know I do not sir. Do you have any study one way or another of whether N-DREX-B causes autism?

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I do not have any evidence that it causes autism nor that it does not. And what about

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Hib-Tiders vaccine? Any evidence one way or another whether it causes autism?

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And what about Kravinar vaccine? Any evidence one way or another?

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And how about Varicella vaccine? Let me just finish. Are there any studies one way or another

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for whether it does or doesn't cause autism?

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Part of MMR, but not as Varicella by itself. No sir. No studies that say it does or no studies

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that say it doesn't. Right. There have been studies that have found an association between

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Hib-Tiders B vaccine and autism correct? Not studies that I feel are credible.

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Okay. Which study are you referring to when you say that?

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Well, why don't you show me the study and then I'll see whether I agree with it.

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According to your profile, you have done most of the charitable trials relied upon to license

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many of the vaccines, correct, on the market? Yes, sir. Okay. So you're highly experienced

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in conducting clinical trials, correct? I'm highly experienced conducting clinical trials.

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And you're familiar with many of the clinical trials that relied upon to license

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many of the vaccines currently on the market, correct? I am. In your opinion,

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did the clinical trials relied upon to license the vaccines that Yates received,

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many of which are still on the market today? Were they designed to rule out that the vaccine

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causes autism?

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No. You've badgered me into answering the question the way you want me to, but I think that that's

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probably the answer. Is that your accurate and truthful testimony?

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Yes.

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Motive. What's your motive? Is it evil? Just pull off it evil?

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I mean, you have to ask yourself, what would you do? What would you do? How much do you care

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about the United States of America? How much do you care about our government?

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If you realize that doing a study which clearly we've proven over and over again,

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Catherine Edwards just admitted, we've never done any study because we're too afraid that if we found

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a connection, it would bankrupt this entire system. Forget about our egos. Forget about our dream of

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going down in history as the great gods that made us better than God created us himself.

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It's all over. In fact, this is what we're going to have to deal with now as we think in these

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ASIP meetings that are happening right now, the same exact conversations. Hep B never tested.

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Five-day safety trial. Is that enough? No one in medicine, no one in farm or merc, nobody seems to

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care. No, that's plenty. Why would you take away a vaccine that's never been tested for safety?

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What are the risks? We don't know the risks because you refuse to do any science because

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you're so afraid of these numbers as you should be. When people ask me why you in this conversation

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because I will tell you as a journalist, this is the biggest story in the world.

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This is the biggest fraud that has ever happened. We have evidence they know vaccines

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causes autism. It's called hand up polling. We know that they've never done the science,

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they're so afraid of it. Would you do it though? What will Donald Trump do? Honestly,

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I'm concerned about this because if Robert Kennedy Jr. does do the science and of course

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Forma and all of its shills and everyone on TV and everyone that's been a part of this

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fraud and this lie will have to hold up that lie because they're so guilty of being a part of this

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fraud. But does Donald Trump know that we are talking about trillions of dollars of owed to

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everyone that's been injured? And I know I'm using big numbers, 19 trillion. What if only half

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those cases are actually caused by the vaccine? And as John polling said, you know, the other

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ones, it could be other reasons. Okay, so nine, 10 trillion dollars, we can afford that. That's

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only going to wipe out the Vaccinated District Compensation Program folks. There is not a bigger

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fraud. There's not a bigger story that's ever happened in our lifetime and that is what's

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happening. That's what's beginning to happen at the advisory committee meetings.

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But I will say to you this, there are those that could honestly say that what Paul Offit

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is saying is true and whether or not vaccines do cause autism, he's trying to protect

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the United States of America. And frankly, every nation in the world that's been a part of this

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fraud because they're all going to be bankrupted if they get sued for what they've done.

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There's an atonement. There's a gnashing of teeth. This is on the get in, folks.

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That's what is at stake. So when Paul Offit tells you there's been science done, would you

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ever trust science done by someone that is hanging with a noose, that should they

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discover what they don't want to find? It is going to destroy them and everything and the nation they

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live in. That is the motive. That is the motive for the greatest crime that's ever happened.

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And it's why Paul Offit has been perfectly happy to say this to every parent of autism

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and everyone that's ever been lined up. F you. You don't exist in my world. I don't care about

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you. I will never do the studies because I have a lie to uphold. We have a huge shield coming up.

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Obviously, I've just spent a lot of time just now, but I think it's important to know what's

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really going on here. To know what's happening. What's at stake? Coming up, I've got Bob Sears.

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I'm going to be talking about him, about Physicians Form Form Consent. Just created a

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great new document, a book for every doctor to know the truth about vaccines. We also have an expert

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coming in. Kerry Bigford is going to talk about how do you talk about this issue over Christmas

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with your family? She's got a course in how to do that. That's going to be amazing.

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But first, with the news that's happening and what's going out the ASAP committee, it's time for

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the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. I had to get that off my chest, man. That has been

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you shouldn't see my version yesterday in the war room. It's like screaming and yelling,

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and Jen shared his life. But it's like, don't take it out a notch.

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Yeah, I'm not cutting any segments down. We've got to talk about what's happening in the news here.

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We have another historic week, and we're here reporting live on the front end of this with

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our audience worldwide watching as the evolution of science and public health is happening

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right now. So I want to talk about the ASAP committee that's also happening as we speak

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right now in Atlanta, Georgia at the CDC. And we're going to go into that in a moment. But

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moving into this week, into this ASAP committee, hanging over that conversation that they're

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having on the hepatitis B vaccine, the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration,

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had a memo that was leaked to the media, and it looked like this.

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The FDA's vaccine chief says the agency plans to tighten approval standards for COVID vaccines,

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citing concerns about potential risks for children. Last week, a senior official sent out a memo

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linking the deaths of at least 10 children to the shot. Dr. Vinay Prasad says a review of records

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linked 10 children's deaths to the COVID vaccine, but he did not provide data to support that

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claim. The memo did not include the children's ages or medical history, did not identify the

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vaccine manufacturer, and these findings have not been published in a peer reviewed journal.

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So why does Dr. Prasad say that the benefits of vaccinating children are unclear?

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There's no science to back up that claim. The American Academy of Pediatrics strongly

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recommends COVID shots for children between six months and two years old. While the Infectious

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Diseases Society of America recommends vaccine for everyone six months and older.

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So 10 deaths is what the CDC is now talking about, and I want to go into this, obviously,

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but bring people's attention to historic similarities. And I want to bring this

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chart up. This was a study by Peter McCullough and his team showing the drugs and the vaccines

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that were recalled and why they were recalled. And you can see there at the top, the polio vaccine,

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the cutter incident. This was 1955, cutter laboratories. They found that they were

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shipping live polio that was going into children's arms and it killed 10 kids.

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They pulled that in less than a year. Wow. Underneath that, the swine flu vaccine, 1976,

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less than a year, killed 53 people. They pulled it. And what happened after they pulled that?

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Well, they ended, they literally ended the national immunization program,

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federal health officials. They just, they put a stop to it because of that.

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And so that's where the FDA is, the waters they're treading in now with at least 10

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deaths from the COVID vaccine in a group that was not susceptible to COVID, essentially.

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That was the smallest risk factor in that group. So I want to unpack this story because

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there's a lot of lies out there by our friends, the corporate media. So in September of this

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year, you had this headline, Trump officials to link COVID shots to child deaths, alarming

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career scientists. And again, from, from the corporate media saying science is not political,

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every chance they get, they're beating this drum to make it political.

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But I want to go into it says Tracy Beth Ho, one of McCarrie's top deputies,

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who was a critic of broad childhood coronavirus vaccination before joining the FDA,

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has been one of the officials looking into vaccine safety data, according to five people

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familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private

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information. So you have some leakers there. And so she, Tracy Beth Ho, by the way, is now

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the director of the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. She's a physician and epidemiologist.

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So this isn't some, some off the wall anti-vax Trump official. This is a career

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scientist. They have very strong career scientists. So at that montage on the top,

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they were attacking this. You saw the corporate media saying, well, well, Vinny Prasad,

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he didn't release any type of study. There was no names. Well, he didn't do that because

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this was a leaked memo. This was an internal food and drug administration email that was leaked

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to the Washington Post. And so let's go into this email.

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And that's amazing because they're accusing him, right? Like almost like a fear mongering.

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He's putting out this fear on a vaccine that we all know is great. Forget about the fact

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that we actually got it all wrong. We told you it was 95% effective, wasn't 95% effective.

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Told you one shot and done, two shots and done, seven shots and done, 10 shots and done.

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We keep lying about it. I don't know how they have confidence, Jeffrey,

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by the way, to stand up and put children at risk. That's what these news agencies are doing

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when they're saying this can't possibly be true that 10 children died. But the point is,

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he didn't submit this to the press. This was an internal memo that they stole,

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that they went out with it. And then they scared the public with it and then said,

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oh, by the way, but don't listen to it. Literally creating a problem and alleviating

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their own problem at the same exact time. It's such a giant pile of ridiculous.

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And Prasad did everything that a normal functioning government official would do,

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going through the appropriate chain of command. And also to talk to his team,

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to communicate to his team. This is what's happening. This is what we found.

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Let's go into this memo that was leaked. And again,

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Vinay Prasad is the head of the Center for Biological Evaluation and Research.

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And remember our friend, Dr. Peter Marks, who was the previous head,

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who hid the data, who listened to the vaccine injured on Zoom calls and said,

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I'm sorry, we really can't help you, essentially. So now this is Vinay Prasad.

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He's speaking to his team at Sieber. And this is what he says.

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I'm writing. This is a heads up. I'm writing to report that OBPV,

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that's the Office of Biostatistics and Pharmacovigilance.

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Career staff have found that at least 10 children have died after and because of receiving COVID-19

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vaccination. These deaths are relative to vaccination, likely probable possible attribution

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made by staff. That number is certainly an understatement due to the underreporting

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and inherent bias in attribution. This safety signal has far reaching implications for

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Americans. The US pandemic response and the agency itself, which I wish to discuss here,

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goes on. In the summer of 2025, Dr. Hogue began investigating. Now here he is trying to unpack

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the lies of the corporate media to his team. Dr. Hogue began investigating various reports of

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children who had died after administration of the COVID-19 vaccine. By late summer,

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she had concluded that there were in fact deaths. A fact this agency has never publicly

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admitted. It goes on. Dr. Hogue organized a small meeting to discuss these deaths with

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OVRR. That's the Office of Vaccine Research and Review and again the OBPV, Stakeholders.

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So those are the appropriate offices to discuss this. Dr. Hogue went to these CBER sub offices

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and said, Office of Vaccine Research, Office of Pharmacovigilance, you need to hear what has

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been found. She says this, the slides she presented, emails she sent and distorted first

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hand reports were shared with media outlets. Some staff present, a president who leaked

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portrayed the incident as Dr. Hogue attempting to create a false fear regarding vaccines.

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This is Prasad now. I then ask the Office of Biostatistics and Pharmacovigilance,

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which he should do, to perform a detailed analysis of deaths voluntarily reported to

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the VAERS system. So again, he's asking Dr. Hogue found this. Now Dr. Prasad, as a leader

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of that organization said, thank you, Dr. Hogue. I'm going to ask now my team under

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me, I have a whole team that can look into this. Now they're going to do an independent study to

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see what you find to back this up or to debunk it. He goes on in the full interest of balance.

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He asked the team to do this. The team has performed an initial analysis of 96 deaths between

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2021-2024 and concluded that no fewer than 10 are related. If anything, this represents

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conservative coding with vaccines are excavated rather than indicated in cases of

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ambiguity. The real number is higher. This is a profound revelation for the first time the

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US FDA will acknowledge that COVID-19 vaccines have killed American children. This is a heads

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up to his team. He's saying we are going to announce this. Prepare yourselves. We have the

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science. We've talked to the families. We've reached out. And again, from 2021 to 2024,

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the previous, I mean, what's not being said there is the previous leaders, Dr. Peter

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Marks, no one cared to look, no one cared to call these families. No one cared to do

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anything. A new administration had to come in and look back through the data.

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Do these parents even know that their kids died of the COVID shot? I don't know,

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but hopefully they're being contacted at this point. A lot of people representing this,

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by the way, is like an FDA cover-up that they knew these deaths were there.

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Actually, my biggest question for Tracy Beth Hogue would be when you called these parents,

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when you decided to look through various reports and call all of the reports of

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children who had died, how many of them said, oh, we've already spoken to the FDA?

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I bet you zero. I bet you she was the first time they called. I mean, that's a guess,

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but my guess is no one in our government ever even cared to look into the various system.

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For the exact reasons I just explained, because as long as you don't do an

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investigation, as long as you don't do any science, you can say to your knowledge,

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the vaccine is perfectly safe. This is literally ostrich either head in the sand,

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science is being done, and finally, we have an administration that doesn't just take

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one scientist's perspective, but runs it through an entire team. The world is changing. Finally,

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we're watching science happen. But unfortunately, what are you going to do with mainstream news

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that's owned by the pharmaceutical industry? And it works both ways here. And I'm reading

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a lot here. I'm reading from, this is a historical document, it's a leaked memo,

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but this is how you want your government health agencies communicating. This is how

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you want them talking in back channels. So it is great that we are able to read this to the public

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and show what is going on, how they're speaking to each other. So I want to go on it, because it

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doesn't just talk about 10 deaths, which is huge, which is bombshell, as it should be.

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It goes on to talk about the path forward for the Center for Biologics, the CBER Center

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that Vinay Prasad is, and in general FDA. And he goes on to say this, I want to

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outline the path forward. Our general approach in CBER will be to direct vaccine regulation

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towards evidence-based medicine. This means we will take swift action regarding this new safety

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concern. We will not be granting market authorization to vaccines and pregnant women based on unproven

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surrogate endpoints. And he goes, any prior promises will be null and void. And we will

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demand pre-market randomized trials assessing clinical endpoints for most new products.

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Pneumonia vaccine makers will have to show their products reduce pneumonia,

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at least in the post-marketing setting, and not merely general antibody titers. Immunogenicity

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will no longer be used to expand indicated populations. He says we will revise annual

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flu vaccine framework, which is an evidence-based catastrophe of low-quality evidence.

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Poor surrogate assays and uncertain vaccine effectiveness measured in case control studies

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with poor methods. We will reappraise safety and be honest in vaccine labels.

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This is what we want in a public health organization, the FDA, the CDC. We want them

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talking like this. And now, will all this happen? We don't know. These are his hopes,

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his path forward. That has to be put into policy. Staff have to probably be hired to do this,

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because this is a whole new road for the FDA. But this is the hopes and dreams of an APRSAID,

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his team. And I would assume much of the FDA at this point.

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These are the hopes and dreams of ICANN, of you, of me, of Aaron Siri, of Robert Kennedy,

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Jr. I mean, I had tears in my eyes this morning when I was sitting listening to the hearings and

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hearing people like Mark Blacksell, who I've stood side by side with, when you watched this happening.

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Jeffrey, these were statements that were always being made from outside the echo chamber,

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outside the castle, outside the walls. It's coming from inside the walls now. Real science,

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real questions, real investigations. It's so incredible. No one believed we'd be here,

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Jeffrey. It's what I keep thinking all day. No one would have ever believed if we would have

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stated this, you know, nine years ago when I was touring with Vaxxed, that we would be here,

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that we would be inside the government, that we would have real scientists finally asking real

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questions and doing exactly what you said. We're no longer just going to assume safety.

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We're no longer going to say, oh, you have antibodies, therefore you should take the

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vaccine. Now, what if those antibodies have nothing to do with the circulating strain?

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Never again. Flu is going to have to prove it can stop the virus that's in circulation,

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or we're not putting it out there. I mean, finally, you know, no more 10 percent effective vaccines

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given to people, injuring them, making them sick, killing grandma for no reason whatsoever,

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and probably increasing the risk, as we see in so many studies, four times the risk of upper

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respiratory illness and infections if you get the flu vaccine. So all of this, finally,

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finally, finally, I just feel bad, right? I feel bad for everyone watching mainstream news

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that are still living in part of the lie. Don't realize that there's like a $19 trillion incentive

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to lie to you. They're missing some of the biggest stories of really the century when it comes to

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public health, because this evolution is real. It's happening. And you can see other states

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having formed a Western or Eastern vaccine alliance, now Illinois jumping in there with

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his governor, that they're sticking to the COVID shot for all children, all infants,

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six months or older. So they're ignoring literally almost six years of new science on the COVID shot

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now, including deaths and the children. So I want to talk, you mentioned proof. I want to talk about

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proof because people watching, again, mainstream corporate media, they're seeing headlines like

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this. We're going to go vaccine heavy because this is the conversation in America right now,

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as far as public health. Scientists confirm HPV vaccine does prevent cancer.

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Another one, HPV vaccine slash cervical cancer risk with minimal side effects,

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major review fines. I want to unpack this because when we see these headlines, we think,

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wait a minute, we know some of the science here. We know how this vaccine was brought to market.

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When we see headlines like this, we have to start questioning this. So in order to really

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unpack this study that we're being told is a major study, we have to look at what HPV is.

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This is a human papillomavirus. And we go to the National Institutes of Health,

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their National Cancer Institute, their own website. I want to read this.

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Researchers found that it can take five to 10 years for HPV infected cervical cells to develop

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into precancers and about 20 years to develop into cancer. So the research we're being told is

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saying that cancer that develops in 20 years, this HPV shot can stop it. It's going to end it.

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So let's go to this. This research is from the Cochrane Collaboration. We're told this is

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Gold Standard Science. This is an independent research organization and they just look at

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the facts. So this is their headline here. This is the human papillom vaccination for prevention

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of cervical cancer. They looked at 60 studies. It's a meta-analysis. And you go right into

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there, the first couple of paragraphs, you read this in this study. The researchers say

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the studies, the 60, were not of sufficient duration for cancers to develop.

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Okay. Well, that's not what the headlines I just read said. They said it stops cervical

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cancer. But the researchers are, okay, I'll take them from where the word is. So with any research,

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as Secretary H. J. S. Kennedy said, we're going to try to eliminate conflicts of interest. Why?

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Well, because conflicts of interest skew research results. We know that. It's common sense.

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So now let's go into the paper again. This is a Cochrane Collaboration. Let's look at

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their conflicts of interest. It says, out of those 60 studies, 44 studies were funded by

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vaccine developers at 73%. The GlaxoSmithKline, 25 studies, Merck 18 studies, Sanofi Pasteur,

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goes on and on. In 48 trials, that's 80%, authors had conflicts of interest due to being

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affiliated with or employed by and or owning stock or holding patents in the vaccine development

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or manufacturing company. Okay. Well, there's a whole other side of the conversation. They'll

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say conflicts of interest have nothing to do with it. All right. Great. So let's go to

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actual results here for cervical cancer. In 15 to 25-year-old females, there was a reduction in CIN-2

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plus irrespective of HPV vaccine type. The research is right after six years, moderate certainty.

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And a large reduction in CIN-2 plus from vaccine match HPV types after six years. Again,

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moderate certainty. So what are they talking about there? CIN plus, CIN-2 plus. This is

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cervical intraepithelial neuroplasia. These are abnormal cells. There's a grading system

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of these abnormal cells. And I can show you this image here. You have a normal cell,

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you have the membrane, and then you have CIN-1, 2, 3. And then after all those abnormal cell

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grades, you have invasive cervical cancer forming, 20 years, according to the NIH,

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it could take to get those to form. Now, I want to bring people's attention

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to the HPV vaccine on trial. This was a book written by three great authors,

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2018. Dell, you interviewed them when the book came out. And they wrote about this HPV vaccine,

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the safety of it, how it came to market, and really the HPV vaccine industry. And there's an

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image from this book looking at these grading systems to give people an idea. So here's this

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image. You have a normal cell next in line to the right there. You have HPV infection,

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90% clear spontaneously. Only 10% go to the CIN. Okay, so let's go to CIN-1.

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5%, only 5% of those now go to CIN-2 or 3. So now go to CIN-2.

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So the 10% move on and go past HPV. The rest have cleared. Of the 10% remaining,

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95% of them clear it by the time they're in CIN-1. So now, I don't even know how to do that

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math, but your tiny percentage is now moving forward. And then of that tiny percentage moving

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into CIN-2, go ahead. Yep, we have 50% to 60% spontaneously regressed. The body can't fight

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this. Wow. CIN-3. 30% to 50% of those progress in the cervical cancer. And you can see their

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0.18% of infections are cervical cancer. And that is from that book. And so CIN-1,

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typically most of those go away. CIN-2 and 3, if those are found, it's an outpatient

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procedure removal. And there's screening that can be done for this. It's a pap smear. And it's

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recommended every several years for women to have. And you go into the numbers on pap smears.

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And you can look at this study right here. Each year, more than 50, 50 million pap smears.

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And these are just looking for these abnormal cells. They look under a microscope.

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Are performed in the United States to screen for cervical cancer. 50 million. Most of the

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abnormal cells found during a pap smear are the result of a cervical or vaginal infection

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and are not cancerous. Of the 3 million women with abnormal pap tests each year,

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less than 1%, 13,240 cases will be diagnosed with cervical cancer. Let's do the math. More

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than 50 million pap smears, it says. But let's just say 50 million pap smears. Yeah.

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Out of those, 3 million women have abnormal pap smears. And out of those,

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only 13,240 have actual cervical cancer. You do the math on that. That's 0.02%.

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Go into cervical cancer. Wow. So that's what we're talking about here. But the

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Cochrane collaboration, the headlines being produced from that will say,

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the shot eliminates cervical cancer, period full stop. And I'm trying to show people here

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that there's a lot more to this story and a lot more to that study than we're actually seeing.

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And so just to be clear, so I understand this, they've said that we've proven that the

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HPV vaccine is reducing the risk of cancer. It's proven it's working, but they never went

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to cancer. It was still too short a period of time to do that. So they just said it's

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reducing CIN2, which already is now a minimal percentage of people that will even progress

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to that point and then progress onwards. 50% to 60% of them, of those will still spontaneously

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clear. They don't care about that. They're saying that that's the end point that matters to them.

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And therefore, HPV is going to stop cervical cancer. I mean, it's what we keep seeing over

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and over and over. It's like three-card Monty, man. Follow the ball. It's a shell game.

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Total and complete baloney. And really sad that Cochrane that was once a stand-up

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institution that we celebrated is now regressing to clearly another pharmaceutical company.

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Unbelievable. Absolutely. And I want to go now to the story of the day. This is the CDC's ASAP

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committee, the advisory committee on immunization practices. They're meeting right now. As we speak,

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the entire day today is devoted and we'll be voting on the hepatitis B recommendation,

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the first shot given to baby's first day of life in this country. And I want to make some

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points here that you made right at the top. We have the previous chair, Martin Koldorf.

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He has now left. So the chairman of the ASAP previously has now left for an HHS job. So

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he's becoming now the chief science officer within the HHS planning and evaluation office.

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So that's kind of like the major think tank in HHS. So he's moved on to that senior position.

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So now we have Dr. Robert Malone as the vice chair. Dr. Kurt Milhawn,

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he came in on a Zoom call. So essentially, Robert Malone, you'll see from the video.

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He's facilitating the entire meeting. And I have to say, he seems like he's doing a great job.

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So I want to talk about the hepatitis B vaccine was on the docket for last ASAP,

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the last ASAP meeting months ago. And this is Robert Malone introing today's ASAP meeting

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just this morning to talk about that. Take a listen. Okay. Many of you will recall that in

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September, ASAP deferred a vote on proposed changes to the hepatitis B vaccination schedule.

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That decision was not about hesitation or reluctance. It was about standards.

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Several data elements the committee requested were incomplete. And the evidence did not yet

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meet the level of clarity required for a confident evidence-based recommendation.

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When gaps in the evidence emerge, the responsible action is not to push forward.

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It's to pause, review, ensure that we fully understand what the data can and cannot support

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and then formulate independent advice to the CDC director. This is our charter.

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So there you are. And the reason we're playing these clips, and again to the audience,

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we're watching this in real time, making these clips, shooting these out so we can report

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in near real time on this meeting that just happened. This is the most up-to-date broadcast

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you're going to hear on this right now. This is ongoing. So he's saying, we tried to vote

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on this, and we had incomplete evidence. Our teams that were looking at this, they couldn't,

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they don't have the data that we needed to make a vote on this. So the reason I am showing that is

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it's not RFK Junior, it's not Trump trying to do this. This is a team of researchers and

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scientists at a federal government agency saying, we don't have the data. We want to change

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this. We want to evolve this conversation, but we just don't have it. So we have to defer

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this vote. So now it brings us to today. So the discussion, which was really great to see publicly,

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was back and forth. It was, as they would say, robust discussion. And one of the topics was

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about horizontal transmission of Hep B. Now that's not from a parent to a child, a mother to a child

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at birth. Horizontal transmission are the IV drug users, the unprotected sex, the exposure to

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infected blood. And so I want to bring in this conversation here and see if you can pick

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out some of the some of the pieces here. Take a listen. Okay. Yes, it can occur among certain

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high risk immigrant communities. But the evidence for horizontal transmission among most U.S.

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children is very, very sparse. And really all these years has been based on a fit to seropositivity

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data that really wasn't statistically significant. And a final point is that the 16,000 cases per

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year predicted by Armstrong at all are not supported by the surveillance data. I'm showing here children

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age 0 to 9 before the universal birth dose, which is the vertical red line. There were about 400

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acute cases per year reported 400 compared to the 16,000. And keep in mind also that of the 400,

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many are probably resulting from perinatal infection. So just a final note on horizontal

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transmission in childhood. The informed consent action network, ICANN, asked the CDC through

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their lawyers, and I believe one of them is testifying tomorrow here, for documentation

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sufficient to to reflect a case of transmission of hepatitis B in a school setting. The CDC's

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response, a search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request.

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It reminds me of the models that were projected during COVID, right? It's what they do. They just

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explode these numbers. 16,000 potential infections. Actually when we looked at it was 400. I mean just

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a slight miscalculation. This is how they've done all the signs, all the fear porn that they push

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out there based on models that aren't anywhere close to the actual conversation that's happening.

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And finally, instead of just getting fear porn at ASIP, we are getting both sides. Like

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actually that was a bloated number when we actually chopped it down. We're talking about maybe 400

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cases this is happening in all of the United States of America. Right. We're knocking out assumptions

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and all of the people who helped make ICANN what it was, everyone that donated, you have forced

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facts into the highest conversations in public health in this country right now. You've forced

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them to accept these facts through the legal action you funded. You heard her say the

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legal action of informed consent action network. We forced the CDC to admit this that they don't have

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the studies on horizontal transmission. So that's a big hat tip to our audience and I want to go on

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now. And people, by the way, they'll say Jeffrey, what do you get from it? I mean do you win money

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when you have these cases? Do you win money? No, we don't win anything except we win the

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opportunity like moments like this to be at an ASIP meeting and when they try to say oh the

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science have been done or the evidence is there or there it is, actually no it doesn't

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exist because informed consent action network spent money that nobody thought they would ever

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waste on a case like this to prove you're all lying. You're lying. You don't have a single

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case of horizontal transmission in a school anywhere in America, which I guarantee you

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would have known about. It would have been a headline because it doesn't exist. It's an

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imaginary problem and you've made a product making billions of dollars to solve an imaginary

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problem. Absolutely. And that's the big conversation. Mothers are tested. We can

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figure that out if they have that so they don't give it to their child. There's precaution

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that's going to be taken so the horizontal transmission is the big question that I guess

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we're giving this shot to every child that comes onto this earth. So it goes on but this whole

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ASIP committee was back and forth because we're talking about are the benefits outweighing

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the risks? What are the risks of the happy vaccine giving it on the first day of life

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to every infant? So these are the conversations that we have. So the question of harm,

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the evidence, where is the evidence of harm came up? Take a listen. Okay.

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Question is, is there any evidence of harm? There is clearly evidence of benefit. Is there

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any evidence of harm to giving the neonatal hepatitis B? My basic answer would be that the

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safety evidence is very limited and I wouldn't want to speculate on safety or harm that

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the IOM has concluded that we don't know, we have any reason to reject or claim causality

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under a wide range of conditions. There is concern for something that is as profound as

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a universal immunization of every American infant at the moment of birth to address

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a condition that many of them will not be a risk for. The safety evidence should be rock solid.

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With all due respect, I don't think that that's the right question and I want to

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phrase another relevant question which is, I think if we want to understand the quality of

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the evidence, then you need to ask hypothetically, suppose that there was a harm of that rate,

01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:09.160
of a certain rate, would we be able to detect it with the level of monitoring and

01:12:09.160 --> 01:12:14.780
surveillance that we applied to the issue. And I think that given the data that was presented to

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here, very, very low numbers, very low, very short follow-up time and not really comparing

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to placebo, the answer is that could be major signals out there that our surveillance and

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the way we monitor and measured, I would not have detected them. So I think that the question is

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their evidence to harm cannot be untangled from what was actually measured. And I think that

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that's something we tend to do not only in this particular question, we tend to do that more

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broadly when we think about safety. So the first other question is what do we believe,

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given our monitoring system, given what we actually monitored and checked, we would be

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able to detect. And I think that the answer is basically nothing.

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Thank God for Retz of Levy there. I mean, he makes the point we made on the show over and over again.

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The trials for HPV, I mean, hepatitis B vaccine, 154 children with five-day state

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review. So if this is a one in a thousand injury, is 154 kids going to pick it up? No.

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If it's an injury that only takes a month or maybe even a year to develop, is this going

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to capture that? No. So when we're talking about safety, what do we know about the safety?

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What will we have ever captured with the way this science has been done? He says basically,

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I would say not a goddamn thing. That's what we would find out.

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And we've been told, we know this because we've watched all the ACIP committees. We've been

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quite a few of them as well, that we've had the most robust safety monitoring system in the world

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that's been drilled into our heads. And now we're getting the truth. Finally, we have, again,

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we're watching the evolution of public health and the evolution of, I would say, courage to have

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these discussions publicly. And what they're saying is, we don't know, because we don't have,

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we don't have the robust safety monitoring system that we thought we had to catch these

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things. And this is what goes on to the point of the studying you mentioned. Tracy

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Beth Hogue was at this meeting as well. And she made a comment regarding the evidence,

01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:30.040
the evidence of harm, the safety of the HEPI vaccine. Take a listen to this. All right.

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This is Dr. Hogue, now acting director of the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. Over.

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Yes. That's right. Thank you, Robert. I just want to add to what

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Retta, Dr. Levy just said that it's really important to keep in mind that the U.S. is

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an outlier in recommending a universal birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine compared to other

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high-income nations. And the data that we used to approve the hepatitis B vaccines,

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there's two. Angarix and racombivac vaccines for infants were based on studies that had

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very short-term follow-up and no control group. It wasn't like it was a randomized control trial

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against another vaccine. No, there was not even a control group. It was just an observational

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study. We would never approve a vaccine based on data like those today. So that's important to

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keep in mind. And then we have these five randomized control trials that were identified by this

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CDC at the last ACIP meeting that we discussed. And these are also, these are short-term randomized

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control trials where the hepatitis B vaccine, racombivacs, was given and compared to other

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vaccines, so not compared to placebo. So we are working with very low level evidence here,

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and we have very limited confidence in what we say when we say these vaccines are safe.

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Wow. And so this is, these are the conversations that we're having. And I want to talk about one

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last, one last clip from, there's so many clips. I recommend everyone watch this. And tomorrow,

01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:24.640
9.30 a.m. Eastern, Aaron Ciri testifies against, not against, but to look at the U.S. vaccine

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schedule, the entire channel is scheduled against what other countries are doing to

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talk about that, compare and contrast that. But when it comes to this hep B vaccine, we have

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really horizontal transmission kind of up in the air from the quote we just talked about. They

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said about 400, really not the 16,000 that was projected. And by the way, they make it really

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clear, because we can't show every clip, that that 400 sits really directly in an Asian immigration

01:16:49.940 --> 01:16:54.820
population, I think as specific as among peoples, I think is how they refer to them, but that

01:16:54.820 --> 01:16:59.680
are coming into this country with high hepatitis B rates, living amongst each other, sleeping

01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:06.860
in close proximity and eating, that it does not represent at all any other population in this

01:17:06.860 --> 01:17:11.360
country. So it was so specific where those numbers are coming from. I just wanted to

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make that point and I think it's important. And we're screening pregnant mothers,

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probably could be doing a better job of that, that's what they mentioned at the ASIP committee.

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So what's happening is instead of trying to look more at these at-risk populations,

01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:32.960
the mothers better screening, just like during COVID closing schools, vaccinating infants,

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we're putting the burden on babies, first born babies and saying, you know what,

01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:41.780
just give it to everybody, give it to every single person, every single infant coming in,

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because we're not doing a good job on the other aspects of public health here. So

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the babies have the burden. And this is exactly what someone mentioned, thank God,

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at this meeting. And now it's in the public record. Take a listen.

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Regarding the opportunity to identify infants at risk in obstetrics, our American College of

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OBGYN gives us guidance for hepatitis B screening early in pregnancy. And so I find it very concerning

01:18:08.780 --> 01:18:16.940
to see the statistics that we have reviewed in our work group anywhere between 84 to 87%

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of women being tested, more results being issued before delivery, which is even more

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concerning knowing that in 2002, the MMWR Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report

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reported that we were very good at testing women at a rate of 96.5%. So between 2002

01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:52.360
and now what happened? How did this screening gap widen? And so this speaks to an opportunity for us

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to close the gap in prenatal care. And should we be pushing this off to the babies? That is my

01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:09.980
concern. The term safety net that is being applied to this program that's being put on the

01:19:09.980 --> 01:19:17.360
babies, I mean is it fair, is it incumbent on the babies to save us from this when this

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really may be more of an adult problem? We could implement universal screening in pregnancy

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rather than asking the babies to kind of close that gap.

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Let me put this in terms because she's being really nice about this. How about instead of

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giving 99.95% of our babies that do not need this vaccine, a hepatitis B vaccine on day one of life,

01:19:43.670 --> 01:19:47.150
they're not planning on sharing heroin needles or sleeping with prostitutes for a very long time,

01:19:47.230 --> 01:19:53.190
hopefully never, why instead of putting that burden on our day one old babies? And by the way,

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so serious that I get calls all the time, they're calling Child Protective Services on me

01:19:58.190 --> 01:20:02.790
because I'm just trying to leave Cedars-Sinai, which is like Alcatraz right now,

01:20:02.790 --> 01:20:06.870
because I just don't need this vaccine, I don't want this vaccine. This is how serious this is.

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They put the burden to the point where they're threatening to take your child away if you don't

01:20:11.310 --> 01:20:16.190
give them a vaccine they don't need. Instead, instead of threatening parents and putting the

01:20:16.190 --> 01:20:22.570
lives of infants at risk, how about, here's my idea, how about you are going to lose your

01:20:22.570 --> 01:20:28.110
license as a doctor if you don't get the blood test of the mother that is giving birth? Just

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that simple. Instead of 88%, here's one thing, how about 100% blood testing, not 100% vaccine

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uptake by a bunch of children that will never need it? This is her point. I'll tell you why,

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because Merck doesn't make billions of dollars on you making sure that everyone's getting a blood

01:20:44.490 --> 01:20:49.890
test. They're making billions of dollars over this vaccine program and this is where you can

01:20:49.890 --> 01:20:54.590
figure out where this whole scam is happening, who's been driving ASIP and why they're so

01:20:54.590 --> 01:20:59.650
shocked right now, probably upholding this vote because pharma is freaking out. We're about to

01:20:59.650 --> 01:21:04.790
lose our stranglehold on a vaccine program that was making us billions that nobody needs.

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And that is why we're playing these clips. This isn't Trump, this isn't Kennedy,

01:21:10.410 --> 01:21:14.690
this isn't an anti-vax conspiracy theory. When someone hears that they can't unhear these

01:21:14.690 --> 01:21:18.950
facts, this is common sense and these are people, these are educated, some of the top

01:21:18.950 --> 01:21:23.410
educated people in the country sitting on this independent panel asking questions and

01:21:23.410 --> 01:21:27.610
presenting facts that need to be heard by the American public. So let's bring it back up to

01:21:27.610 --> 01:21:33.870
current present moment here. The hepatitis B vote was supposed to happen today. They're going to

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either keep the universal recommendation and put it in every arm of every infant coming into this

01:21:38.210 --> 01:21:42.510
world or they're going to have no recommendation anymore or they're going to do what they did

01:21:42.510 --> 01:21:46.630
with the COVID vaccine and say, you talk to your doctor, it's called an individual decision

01:21:46.630 --> 01:21:50.230
making process between you and your doctor as medicine probably always should have been.

01:21:50.230 --> 01:21:55.050
So that was delayed. That vote now has been delayed. It was deferred. It was voted to be

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deferred until tomorrow morning. So we're going to keep an eye on that, follow obviously our

01:22:00.550 --> 01:22:06.230
X channel, our Instagram, our Facebook. We're going to be posting up-to-date results on that

01:22:06.230 --> 01:22:09.670
vote. That will happen tomorrow morning. So that is the latest on the ASIP committee.

01:22:10.450 --> 01:22:14.750
Amazing reporting, Jeffrey. What an amazing moment this is. It was like two different

01:22:14.750 --> 01:22:20.410
worlds inside of ASIP there. The old vaccine shills spewing a total lack of science

01:22:20.410 --> 01:22:24.790
and real scientific questions that need to be answered for the future of the species in our

01:22:24.790 --> 01:22:30.530
children. Great reporting, exciting moment. I'm heated just because of the ridiculousness of

01:22:30.530 --> 01:22:34.930
the other perspective right now, but I'll see you next week and I'm sure we'll have a lot

01:22:34.930 --> 01:22:38.490
to report on what actually happens in this meeting tomorrow. Take care. See you then.

01:22:38.710 --> 01:22:42.550
All right, sound great. Thank you. As if this week wasn't big enough, we've absolutely

01:22:42.550 --> 01:22:47.710
transformed the country club of ASIP into a real science organization that's happening this week.

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You're watching with your own eyes. You've made that possible with your work with the

01:22:50.770 --> 01:22:54.730
informed consent action network. Every one of you that is sponsoring and donating the work

01:22:54.730 --> 01:22:59.010
that we've done, those lawsuits that you're now seeing appearing, the results of those lawsuits

01:22:59.010 --> 01:23:04.270
are at this ASIP meeting being discussed. You did that. I didn't do that. I simply asked for

01:23:04.270 --> 01:23:12.530
your help. We handed it over to Aaron Seary. You funded it so that we could get and we

01:23:13.490 --> 01:23:18.510
HHS. We won back the religious exemption for vaccinations in Minnesota. I mean, I mean in

01:23:18.510 --> 01:23:23.470
Mississippi. We won back the religious exemption for the university system in California. We're

01:23:23.470 --> 01:23:28.910
working on the rest of the, you know, school programs in California. But as you know, we've

01:23:28.910 --> 01:23:34.050
been deeply entrenched in West Virginia in one of the most contested cases we have ever seen.

01:23:34.370 --> 01:23:39.050
This is proving to be much more difficult than Mississippi. Every time we win, they move

01:23:39.050 --> 01:23:44.310
the goalpost. Well, I have breaking news for you just a couple of days ago. We were excited to report

01:23:44.310 --> 01:23:49.390
breaking ICANN's legal team secures religious exemptions for West Virginia school children

01:23:49.390 --> 01:23:56.530
in a free the five victory. So we dropped it down to free the four. West Virginia is now free

01:23:56.530 --> 01:24:01.970
every child. What the decision that was made by the court was not only the cases that were

01:24:01.970 --> 01:24:07.250
funded by informed consent action network, you, these children that were fighting for

01:24:07.250 --> 01:24:11.490
their religious right to go to school without injecting themselves with products that include

01:24:11.490 --> 01:24:19.010
things like chopped up, aborted, fetal DNA, baby parts. Not just for them, but the court

01:24:19.010 --> 01:24:24.070
said this is for every child that wants to opt out of the program. You're allowed to go back

01:24:24.070 --> 01:24:29.070
to school. I was so excited to be able to come to you today in the middle of the holidays

01:24:29.070 --> 01:24:34.330
and say, look what happens when you donate to us. If you think to bring your holiday

01:24:34.330 --> 01:24:40.550
giving, look what we can do. Well, within moments of that victory, we started hearing that there

01:24:40.550 --> 01:24:45.490
were calls going out from the pharmaceutical industry saying to the counties now, not just the state,

01:24:45.730 --> 01:24:50.010
to the counties in the school systems, don't accept it. Don't take it. Don't let kids in.

01:24:50.110 --> 01:24:53.090
They were starting to push back. We were thinking, geez, what are we going to do? We're going to

01:24:53.090 --> 01:24:57.810
sue, you know, for contempt of court. I mean, what's going on here? What's happening?

01:24:57.810 --> 01:25:04.790
And then within moments, the ACLU and all the 20 lawyers we've been up against in this courtroom

01:25:04.790 --> 01:25:08.870
didn't matter that we won. They went to the appellate court and says, there's chaos here

01:25:08.870 --> 01:25:14.630
in West Virginia. Do something. The appellate court has just ruled a stay. None of the kids

01:25:14.630 --> 01:25:19.010
are allowed to go back to school. This is such an unfortunate West Virginia again bans religious

01:25:19.570 --> 01:25:23.850
reasons for school vaccine exemptions. The West Virginia Supreme Court has paused a

01:25:23.850 --> 01:25:28.070
ruling that allowed parents to use religious beliefs to opt out of required school vaccines

01:25:28.710 --> 01:25:35.970
for their children. So we're out of the court. We won. We won this case. We won it in court.

01:25:36.050 --> 01:25:41.030
And now it's going to the Supreme Court of West Virginia. And I guess we're going to have to do

01:25:41.030 --> 01:25:46.110
this all over again. So what I want to say to you right now is if you think this is over,

01:25:46.190 --> 01:25:50.410
this is a great day for celebration, things happening at ASIP that we never believe would

01:25:50.410 --> 01:25:55.190
happen. Victories in West Virginia, but it ain't over. They're stalling the vote as we speak.

01:25:55.550 --> 01:26:01.230
Pharma is everywhere. And so is Silicon Valley with its tracking systems on your phones. They need

01:26:01.230 --> 01:26:06.810
to own you. They need to own your body. And they know if we win in West Virginia once and for all,

01:26:06.910 --> 01:26:12.410
this is over, man. If we win an ASIP, if hepatitis B finally moves to share decision making

01:26:12.410 --> 01:26:16.570
where you get a choice and now we can sue if that thing injures us, this is all over.

01:26:16.570 --> 01:26:23.350
And they know it. We are in the fight of our lives, folks. This is real now. This is big now.

01:26:23.530 --> 01:26:28.850
This is the battle for the whole kahuna, the whole tuna. And by the way, not a moment to back away.

01:26:29.450 --> 01:26:34.230
We are ready to put our pedal to the metal. I want Aaron to have an army of lawyers around

01:26:34.230 --> 01:26:39.950
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01:26:39.950 --> 01:26:44.310
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01:28:13.850 --> 01:28:19.690
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01:28:43.770 --> 01:28:50.050
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01:28:56.870 --> 01:29:02.790
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01:29:03.130 --> 01:29:09.310
Our people are on the inside now. The truth is happening. Science is changing, but they need our

01:29:09.310 --> 01:29:15.930
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01:29:16.050 --> 01:29:22.050
another hero that I met very, very early on before I ever even made facts and facts.

01:29:22.230 --> 01:29:26.190
The facts was just an idea. I was beginning to do the research. I just met Andrew Wakefield,

01:29:26.190 --> 01:29:32.210
but I was standing protesting SB 277 in California. It was going to take away these exact rights

01:29:32.210 --> 01:29:37.250
to forcibly vaccinate every child in California and I was looking at that situation with my

01:29:37.250 --> 01:29:43.410
brand new baby who was unvaccinated and I thought this is the end of the world as I know it.

01:29:43.570 --> 01:29:47.830
Who's going to speak for me? Who will stand for me? Well, there was one doctor that was

01:29:47.830 --> 01:29:53.350
doing that. His name was Bob Sears and if you don't know who he is, watch this. Dr. Bob Sears.

01:29:53.490 --> 01:30:00.730
Dr. Bob Sears. Dr. Bob Sears. The most beloved and most hated pediatrician in the world. The

01:30:00.730 --> 01:30:05.730
expert who has been on the front lines of pediatric care. A doctor and a firm believer

01:30:05.730 --> 01:30:10.750
in vaccine choice. He is the best-selling author of tons of books like The Vaccine Book,

01:30:11.050 --> 01:30:16.090
Making an Educated Decision for Your Child. My dad was a pediatrician so I watched him

01:30:16.090 --> 01:30:20.670
growing up and he really enjoyed his work so I thought I would want to be a doctor as well.

01:30:20.850 --> 01:30:25.930
Back in the 90s, I actually discovered there was one vaccine that was actually pretty dangerous

01:30:25.930 --> 01:30:30.630
that they ended up taking off the mark. So I decided to dig into the Georgetown library

01:30:30.630 --> 01:30:35.970
and I uncovered so much research about this one vaccine and so it made me realize the medical

01:30:35.970 --> 01:30:41.250
community sometimes is capable of covering something up when there's a problem. I kind

01:30:41.250 --> 01:30:48.010
of felt like my world was shattered. You know, how can the ivory tower of the CDC and the FDA

01:30:48.010 --> 01:30:54.050
let this slip through the cracks? That basically opened my eyes. In my office, Don, it's not so

01:30:54.050 --> 01:31:00.150
much about vaccines and autism as parents just don't want to see the baby suffer any sort of

01:31:00.150 --> 01:31:04.970
bad vaccine reaction. Parents are afraid that their baby will be one of those statistics.

01:31:05.510 --> 01:31:12.390
Probably 99% of doctors in California are now scared to even write any medical excuses from

01:31:12.390 --> 01:31:16.830
vaccines for any patients because they're seeing that the medical board is coming down on us.

01:31:17.130 --> 01:31:22.130
This bill will scare doctors away from writing medical exemptions for children who need them.

01:31:23.130 --> 01:31:27.210
Doctors are afraid of losing their practice and their livelihood over a medical board

01:31:27.210 --> 01:31:32.710
investigation. The California Medical Board tried to revoke my license to practice

01:31:32.710 --> 01:31:38.890
based on the type of vaccine advice I give in my office. I give them all the pros and cons.

01:31:39.390 --> 01:31:45.630
I give them great resources to read and I happily accept them in my office if they

01:31:45.630 --> 01:31:52.270
choose to raise their kids without vaccines. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be

01:31:52.270 --> 01:31:56.950
joined right now by my good friend, Dr. Bob Sears. Bob, it's been a while. How are you

01:31:56.950 --> 01:32:04.030
doing? Hey, Del, I'm doing awesome out here in California. I'm in the same room right now as

01:32:04.030 --> 01:32:10.730
you saw on that clip. That's fantastic and I'm glad that you still have that room. I'm glad

01:32:10.730 --> 01:32:16.930
that you're still a doctor. There's been some precarious times for you and I've watched

01:32:16.930 --> 01:32:26.130
you have to navigate probably one of the most difficult places to be a pediatrician, at least

01:32:26.130 --> 01:32:31.210
good for you, good for the way that you've stood. I just want to say, you know, I worked with your

01:32:31.210 --> 01:32:36.650
brother Jim Sears on the doctors for years, so our families in some ways are connected. We go way

01:32:36.650 --> 01:32:44.030
back. But to take this moment in, I don't know if you've been watching these ASIP meetings,

01:32:44.510 --> 01:32:48.470
but to watch what's happening today from your perspective, when you think about,

01:32:48.730 --> 01:32:53.510
when we were standing on the steps outside of the Capitol in Sacramento and

01:32:53.510 --> 01:32:59.330
on SB 277, of course, when, you know, Richard Pan was taking away the rights of all children,

01:32:59.430 --> 01:33:04.430
and then even worse, SB 276 that later then was going to threaten every doctor as we saw you

01:33:04.430 --> 01:33:08.610
testifying for anyone that wanted to write exemption for these vaccine injured children

01:33:08.610 --> 01:33:12.350
that needed one, now you're going to be under review. You're under threat.

01:33:12.710 --> 01:33:17.790
What does it mean for you watching what's happening at the CDC today?

01:33:18.350 --> 01:33:27.190
It makes me so excited, Del, just to see scientists openly discuss real science

01:33:27.630 --> 01:33:33.290
and discuss all of the science. And that's the whole key. I especially love that part,

01:33:33.870 --> 01:33:37.290
the gentleman, I forget his name, Reddy or Yeti or something.

01:33:37.850 --> 01:33:43.510
Levy. He made the point. Yeah. Yeah. When we look at the data we have,

01:33:44.210 --> 01:33:51.210
none of the studies are large enough to give us any answers, any good answers on vaccine

01:33:51.210 --> 01:33:59.150
risk. And I think that's so awesome to see that, that just that basic idea put out there in the

01:33:59.150 --> 01:34:05.550
public. And I also like how none of these doctors are saying anything really against

01:34:05.550 --> 01:34:10.450
vaccinating or they're not, you know, speaking out strongly about all the terrible

01:34:10.450 --> 01:34:15.270
possible vaccine side effects. And it's, I enjoyed your little, you know, brief

01:34:15.270 --> 01:34:19.770
tirade a few minutes ago on the show. It's always fun to hear you. But I mean,

01:34:20.250 --> 01:34:24.690
none of the scientists are talking like that. They're just talking straight science.

01:34:25.070 --> 01:34:30.650
And that is so refreshing to see. It really is. And it's a very important question. Why

01:34:30.650 --> 01:34:36.150
give this to children that don't need it? Why a product for 99.95% of the kids that

01:34:36.150 --> 01:34:41.190
don't need it? No one is saying, let's not vaccinate these kids. Let's just test all the

01:34:41.190 --> 01:34:46.310
moms. Let's know who's at risk and let's just be focused. I mean, are we not at a place in the

01:34:46.310 --> 01:34:52.870
United States of America in a future with AI and technologies that can track my eyeballs

01:34:52.870 --> 01:34:57.150
that know where I am anywhere in this world? Is it not possible to make sure that we have

01:34:57.150 --> 01:35:01.650
blood tests that we're well aware of the positions that these children are in and

01:35:01.650 --> 01:35:08.250
give them care that is specifically designed for them? Isn't that the heart of do no harm,

01:35:08.310 --> 01:35:12.970
meaning I'm going to give you something that only, you know, that you need and not something

01:35:12.970 --> 01:35:19.650
you don't because of some kid you don't know? Exactly. And, you know, you talk about,

01:35:19.750 --> 01:35:24.110
you know, about the potential harm of this vaccine and they brought this up in the meeting.

01:35:24.290 --> 01:35:28.890
Well, what is the harm? I mean, you know, what's the harm in giving this vaccine that

01:35:28.890 --> 01:35:35.270
can only benefit babies? Well, you and I know that there definitely is potential harm from

01:35:35.270 --> 01:35:40.470
happy vaccine. Yeah. And there are serious neurological risks. There are serious auto

01:35:40.470 --> 01:35:48.550
immune risks. One straightforward risk, though, that isn't even really that serious is newborn

01:35:48.550 --> 01:35:55.650
fever. The number of babies who get fever alone from the happy vaccine, given the day

01:35:55.650 --> 01:36:01.290
they're born in the hospital is it's not a small number. And I don't actually have the

01:36:01.290 --> 01:36:07.070
actual number. But I know we do have some research that shows one hospital in Israel

01:36:07.070 --> 01:36:13.290
looked at this. Yeah. And they showed the year they started vaccinating babies with happy

01:36:13.290 --> 01:36:18.410
vaccine as newborns, the number of babies admitted to their intensive care unit with

01:36:18.410 --> 01:36:24.170
fevers doubled in the hospital. So when you're a healthy newborn baby born in

01:36:24.170 --> 01:36:28.090
the hospital, nothing's wrong with you at all. You get a happy vaccine. You get a

01:36:28.090 --> 01:36:33.610
fever that buys you at least three days in the intensive care unit while they treat

01:36:33.610 --> 01:36:40.450
you for infection. They do all kinds of tests. And that alone is potential harm

01:36:40.450 --> 01:36:46.670
right up front for any baby with, as you and I would say, really no potential

01:36:46.670 --> 01:36:52.650
benefit in a low risk population. And crazy. So there is no benefit. Right.

01:36:52.650 --> 01:36:56.010
And by the way, we're trying to develop harm where you've refused to do any proper

01:36:56.010 --> 01:37:02.150
science, five day safety studies of 147 kids, you know, no sort of capture system or

01:37:02.150 --> 01:37:05.770
reporting system that anyone would say that they trust that's totally under

01:37:05.770 --> 01:37:10.070
reported. I mean, the whole thing is such a mess. But I would just say, you know,

01:37:10.170 --> 01:37:12.670
when I look at this conversation, we're going to get into why we're having

01:37:12.670 --> 01:37:16.270
this conversation. But the one thing I would like to see set on the floor of

01:37:16.270 --> 01:37:19.690
the advisory committee on immunization practices as the argument is, well,

01:37:19.690 --> 01:37:22.970
you know, what is the risk? What is the harm? I don't know the fact that there's

01:37:22.970 --> 01:37:28.130
54 percent of our children have chronic disease. If you include obesity in America,

01:37:28.670 --> 01:37:31.870
this is the fact that we're the sickest nation in the industrialized world.

01:37:32.050 --> 01:37:36.170
The fact that this vaccine we're giving on day one of life, which is an anomaly,

01:37:36.310 --> 01:37:39.750
as Tracy Beth Hogue pointed out, isn't being given anywhere else in the world.

01:37:39.790 --> 01:37:43.410
And they're not having hepatitis B outbreaks. So we're doing something no

01:37:43.410 --> 01:37:47.390
one else is. And by the way, we have the highest day one old baby death rate

01:37:47.390 --> 01:37:51.450
in the entire industrialized world. More babies dying on the first day of life.

01:37:51.630 --> 01:37:54.690
Can we prove it's hepatitis B? No, because you won't do the science.

01:37:54.830 --> 01:37:58.530
But there's some signals there, man. There's some signals we should be worried about.

01:37:59.570 --> 01:38:05.950
Yeah. And I love how the doctors of the CDC, what I would like to call maybe

01:38:05.950 --> 01:38:09.310
entrenched doctors and researchers have been there a long time.

01:38:09.770 --> 01:38:13.990
They're so quick to point out the under reporting of disease.

01:38:14.510 --> 01:38:21.090
And they say, okay, yeah, sure, we only have 400 children reportedly infected every year from

01:38:21.090 --> 01:38:27.310
hepatitis B. But we're estimating we're missing so many of those, we're going to call it 20,000.

01:38:27.890 --> 01:38:32.810
You know, they used to call it 30,000, then they called it 20,000. I think now they're

01:38:32.810 --> 01:38:37.910
calling it 16,000. They're so quick to say, hey, there's all this under reported disease

01:38:37.910 --> 01:38:42.590
that we're going to escalate in our findings. They're not willing to discuss the

01:38:43.450 --> 01:38:47.390
unreported and under reported vaccine reaction. Such a good point.

01:38:47.430 --> 01:38:51.490
And I think finally we have a group that is actually willing to look at that.

01:38:52.110 --> 01:38:55.690
Well, I think what's critical and why I want to talk to you today,

01:38:55.870 --> 01:39:00.070
you're a member of one of the most important groups out there that has been doing work

01:39:00.670 --> 01:39:05.270
right alongside Informal Consent Action Network, physicians for informed consent.

01:39:05.510 --> 01:39:10.270
This is a body of doctors and scientists that really risked your careers to come together

01:39:10.270 --> 01:39:14.970
to really bring evidence-based science to this conversation. But as you're saying,

01:39:15.110 --> 01:39:19.610
for those entrenched doctors that just are struggling to understand what's happening here,

01:39:20.170 --> 01:39:25.730
that got that, you know, that has been declared by the WHO, only got a half-a-day education

01:39:25.730 --> 01:39:30.990
on vaccines while they were in med schools. Is that an, I mean, I made that statement.

01:39:31.090 --> 01:39:33.610
Is that somewhat accurate? I mean, would you sort of?

01:39:33.770 --> 01:39:33.990
Yes.

01:39:34.510 --> 01:39:35.250
That's accurate, right?

01:39:35.290 --> 01:39:35.770
Yeah, that's accurate.

01:39:36.430 --> 01:39:41.830
It's incredible, man. I mean, every time I say it, I know I've seen the WHO state,

01:39:41.990 --> 01:39:46.250
I know it stated that's outrageous that when I'm going to my, you know,

01:39:46.350 --> 01:39:51.250
pediatrician, they had a half-a-day education on one of the main things that they do in their

01:39:51.250 --> 01:39:56.010
office. But tell me about this book over your shoulder. I'm talking about this one right here,

01:39:56.850 --> 01:40:02.570
the silver book, Vaccines and Diseases They Target. This has just been put out by

01:40:02.570 --> 01:40:06.710
Physicians Form, Form Consent. I love that it's happening today. This is something we've been

01:40:06.710 --> 01:40:10.890
wanting to talk to you about for some time. It's been out for, I think, a couple months now.

01:40:11.250 --> 01:40:18.330
But on the day of ASIP, perfect moment. Why this book, what is it, and who's it targeting?

01:40:18.510 --> 01:40:22.430
What did you guys work on this book? What's it set out to achieve?

01:40:23.490 --> 01:40:30.690
Well, it's been in the works for 10 years now, Del, and some of the doctors and researchers

01:40:30.690 --> 01:40:37.470
in Physicians Form, Form Consent started collecting every single research study they could find

01:40:37.470 --> 01:40:43.870
on vaccines and the diseases they target. Whether the study is in favor of vaccines or

01:40:43.870 --> 01:40:50.270
shows potential vaccine side effects, they just gathered all the data. And this book

01:40:50.270 --> 01:40:59.330
actually has 400 studies that look at disease information and vaccine safety. And what they

01:40:59.330 --> 01:41:04.790
did is they basically compiled it. I mean, you know how you're talking to people, you're thinking

01:41:04.790 --> 01:41:10.370
about vaccines, you're doing research, and you wonder, where is the data? Where is the information?

01:41:10.590 --> 01:41:16.090
Where is the research? And you have to go find it. And that's not an easy task. Well, this group

01:41:16.090 --> 01:41:22.870
finally put together all the data in one very little book. I keep looking at my book over

01:41:22.870 --> 01:41:30.830
here on this side. The back third of the book is all the research studies. And the first two

01:41:30.830 --> 01:41:38.350
thirds of the book what I love is just every disease is one page, just like a one page overview

01:41:38.350 --> 01:41:43.550
of everything you need to know about the disease. And then every vaccine is one page,

01:41:43.710 --> 01:41:49.450
I guess two pages, you know, both sides of the book. It's so simple. It takes the data

01:41:49.450 --> 01:41:57.010
that seems very complicated and it simplifies it down to something that even a CDC researcher

01:41:57.010 --> 01:42:02.390
could understand probably. And so I feel like this book is for everybody, but it's especially

01:42:02.390 --> 01:42:06.310
people who really want to take a really deep dive into the data.

01:42:07.190 --> 01:42:11.410
Well, you know, I mean, I want people to sort of look at what he's saying here because it is

01:42:11.410 --> 01:42:16.870
this is what makes this so brilliant is when you hear 400 studies, it can be really intimidating.

01:42:16.870 --> 01:42:21.190
But I can turn to any page though. I just want to show them. Yeah, I can show you slides,

01:42:21.330 --> 01:42:27.050
but it's this simple. It's only a few paragraphs. And it is what is so genius about this, Bob,

01:42:27.150 --> 01:42:32.930
because this is the work, right? Anybody, I can bury you in the 20 studies around tetanus

01:42:32.930 --> 01:42:38.730
and all that you need to know. But you've been really exceptional at, let's just get,

01:42:38.830 --> 01:42:42.450
what are the most important salient points? What are the most important things that we

01:42:42.450 --> 01:42:47.570
know about the vaccine? Are there issues? What is it? And then the disease itself, this is the part

01:42:47.570 --> 01:42:53.750
we really don't cover a lot. You know, not even at ICANN, we talk a lot about the dangers of the

01:42:53.750 --> 01:42:58.150
vaccines. But what were the numbers of the dangers of the virus itself? Because if we're

01:42:58.150 --> 01:43:06.770
going to try and do some of risk, revolt, reward, benefit, ratio, dive, how do we do that?

01:43:07.050 --> 01:43:11.630
This is the first book that I've ever seen on the left page. I can see what the vaccine

01:43:11.630 --> 01:43:15.370
is up to. What is it? Do I have that right? Or is it vice versa? And then on the other page,

01:43:15.510 --> 01:43:24.530
I get to see what the disease was all about and really help me make this decision, right?

01:43:24.710 --> 01:43:30.450
So it's fantastic that way. Yeah, I think when I talk to patients in the office,

01:43:30.990 --> 01:43:35.750
one of the main things they want to know is they tell me, we know there's vaccine side

01:43:35.750 --> 01:43:42.210
effects. We know there's risk. I want to know, what's the risk to my baby if I don't vaccinate them?

01:43:42.370 --> 01:43:47.870
What is the disease risk? They want numbers. And I usually skip to the end of the story when

01:43:47.870 --> 01:43:54.110
I'm talking to them. And I say in my 28 years of being a pediatrician, I've never seen a single case,

01:43:54.970 --> 01:44:00.690
a single severe case of a vaccine targeted illness. And so they say, okay, well,

01:44:00.690 --> 01:44:04.790
sounds like the risk is pretty low. But what Pick has done with this book,

01:44:04.790 --> 01:44:10.930
because they actually give you the exact numbers, because the data is there. They have numbers from

01:44:10.930 --> 01:44:16.650
the CDC throughout the 19th century, where the CDC was gathering data on every single case

01:44:16.650 --> 01:44:23.070
before vaccines. So they tell us, yeah, how many kids were harmed by diphtheria before vaccines,

01:44:23.410 --> 01:44:29.530
tetanus, hepatitis B, measles, everything, how many were harmed before there even was a

01:44:29.530 --> 01:44:40.070
vaccine. And, Del, the numbers are staggeringly low. It's amazing how low the numbers of kids who

01:44:40.070 --> 01:44:45.550
are harmed by infection before we even had vaccines. And then the page you have right there

01:44:45.550 --> 01:44:54.090
kind of speaks to it. You can see the risk compared to the vaccine and then the actual

01:44:54.090 --> 01:45:01.270
disease and these tiny little numbers. And that's what pharma has been so brilliant at.

01:45:01.630 --> 01:45:08.290
I have to say, even watching Dr. Meisner, some of these guys are just so pro vaccine

01:45:08.790 --> 01:45:13.170
that are still, and by the way, I'm glad they're still on the committee, right? I mean,

01:45:13.190 --> 01:45:18.070
I want to point that out too. Anyone that says that Robert Kennedy Jr. has stacked this with

01:45:18.070 --> 01:45:23.550
anti-vaxxers, you got Dr. Meisner in there. There is a robust debate. Both sides are being

01:45:23.550 --> 01:45:29.270
represented. So even though my skin's crawling over some of the, you know, the blindfolds that are

01:45:29.270 --> 01:45:34.850
appearing on some of these doctors, they're in there. Like Bobby didn't, he wants a role. It's

01:45:34.850 --> 01:45:39.150
what science should be. All sides should be represented. We should be having it out. Sure,

01:45:39.310 --> 01:45:46.110
yell, scream, cry. Let's do this. And so finally it's happening. But what pharma has done

01:45:46.110 --> 01:45:52.290
so brilliantly through media, it's what I did on the doctors. Me and your brother were really

01:45:52.290 --> 01:45:58.650
good at this. Let's just scare the hell out of you and make you personalize a super rare issue.

01:45:59.070 --> 01:46:02.770
All I have to do is show you someone covered with a rash. It doesn't matter that one in a

01:46:02.770 --> 01:46:06.730
million people are ever going to get this thing. If you see it, you go, oh my God,

01:46:06.810 --> 01:46:12.110
I'll do anything to make sure I never get that. Well, you know, 999,000 of you would

01:46:12.110 --> 01:46:18.090
never have to do anything. But we can make you all say, well, if you take this product 100%

01:46:18.090 --> 01:46:24.530
effective at keeping you from getting covered with this, you know, and that's what they do. And so

01:46:24.530 --> 01:46:29.610
we go, we don't hear the one in a million. We just go, I will do anything to make sure I don't

01:46:29.610 --> 01:46:36.930
get that. Yes, yeah, exactly. And then they've done a great job. And how awesome is it now

01:46:36.930 --> 01:46:43.530
to realize we are now part of a movement where now half of our country or more

01:46:44.210 --> 01:46:49.010
now understand that that's probably not true. The farmers have been telling us all these years

01:46:49.630 --> 01:46:56.230
may not be true. And something I also wanted to point out that I really love about this book is

01:46:56.230 --> 01:47:01.510
that the researchers and the people that wrote this are really good friends of mine. And

01:47:01.510 --> 01:47:09.490
they're very honest in this book, and that when they talk about vaccine risk, you look at any

01:47:09.490 --> 01:47:14.710
vaccine page and basically, yeah, turn to the next polio vaccine page. I don't know if you have it

01:47:14.710 --> 01:47:21.010
there. Basically tells you, they tell you what's the risk of catching polio. Yeah, they also

01:47:21.010 --> 01:47:28.570
tell you what's the risk of the polio vaccine. But what they're honest about is they say the

01:47:28.570 --> 01:47:37.230
risk of these vaccines, Dell, are largely inconclusive because of the lack of safety research. So they

01:47:37.230 --> 01:47:45.050
estimate, say, for example, polio vaccine, probably about 70 people for every 100,000 people in our

01:47:45.050 --> 01:47:53.070
population are going to have a severe injury from this vaccine or the DTAP vaccine on the DTAP

01:47:53.070 --> 01:47:59.650
page. 70 per 100,000 people. But they're honest. They say our data is inconclusive, though. We're

01:47:59.650 --> 01:48:04.470
estimating about 70 per 100,000 are going to be injured by the vaccine. But we don't have

01:48:04.470 --> 01:48:09.190
really good research to show you whether or not that's actually true. So they have really good

01:48:09.190 --> 01:48:16.910
disease data. But again, the vaccine safety data is lacking. And that was probably the take

01:48:16.910 --> 01:48:23.610
home message of this ACIP meeting is that is there just a total lack of safety data.

01:48:24.010 --> 01:48:29.070
And now they're faced with a decision about a disease that the ACIP committee has now

01:48:29.070 --> 01:48:37.190
realized after much discussion poses very little risk to American children who are not

01:48:37.190 --> 01:48:43.210
born into a high risk environment. So the big question, part of what this book is there for

01:48:43.210 --> 01:48:49.890
doctors to have next to their pink book, the silver book here, so that they can really have a quick

01:48:50.490 --> 01:48:55.490
look at something that they were never educated on in school. But let me ask you the hard question

01:48:55.490 --> 01:49:00.290
that I get from the media all the time. I'm sure you've fielded it. Bob, what are you going

01:49:00.290 --> 01:49:05.630
to do when polio comes back or when measles comes back because people aren't vaccinating?

01:49:07.390 --> 01:49:13.770
Yeah, well, the polio question is very interesting one. And this book covers it very, very well.

01:49:14.510 --> 01:49:21.470
The whole key to understanding the polio dilemma is the vaccine we use now doesn't prevent infection

01:49:21.470 --> 01:49:27.910
and it doesn't prevent transmission. All it does is gives you some immunity in your bloodstream

01:49:27.910 --> 01:49:34.550
that will protect you from neurologic symptoms should you as an individual contract polio

01:49:34.550 --> 01:49:39.870
infection. But it does nothing for the public health. It doesn't protect your neighbor or your

01:49:39.870 --> 01:49:47.210
friend or your schoolmate. It's just individual protection. So we've managed to keep polio out

01:49:47.210 --> 01:49:55.250
of the US for 40 years now using a vaccine that isn't even keeping it out of the US because

01:49:55.250 --> 01:50:01.010
it doesn't prevent infection. So we've done it through public health measures. We've done it

01:50:01.010 --> 01:50:09.190
through sanitation and hygiene and good health. And right now polio is confined to just a few

01:50:10.090 --> 01:50:15.170
impoverished nations in other parts of the world and it's been that way for a very long time.

01:50:16.230 --> 01:50:22.750
So I mean, I think that the polio debate I think is very easy to answer and that's why it pisses

01:50:22.750 --> 01:50:30.250
me off when I see polio vaccines mandated for school. Right. So really interesting point,

01:50:30.250 --> 01:50:35.730
I actually you said that in a way I hadn't thought about it because I am aware that it doesn't stop

01:50:35.730 --> 01:50:41.310
infection or transmission. But they'll when you make the statement we haven't had polio for 40 years

01:50:41.310 --> 01:50:46.370
like yeah because we're vaccinating. No actually if it doesn't stop transmission and doesn't stop

01:50:46.370 --> 01:50:51.290
infection we should be seeing in the sewage systems all across this country. If it can

01:50:51.290 --> 01:50:55.350
be spread here there's nothing stopping it spread. There's nothing stopping it coming

01:50:55.350 --> 01:51:00.250
from Africa or the Middle East wherever they are having these impoverished nations which also

01:51:00.250 --> 01:51:04.150
there's some sense of chemicals and things that they're around that might be lowering their

01:51:04.150 --> 01:51:09.150
immune systems that are you know making that risky but it would be here it's just you know

01:51:09.150 --> 01:51:13.750
we're being protected from the severity of it but we don't see it here at all it's not here

01:51:13.750 --> 01:51:19.230
at all and we're not using a vaccine that is a sterilizing vaccine that kills it dead and

01:51:19.230 --> 01:51:24.790
make sure we never get it we should see it here and we don't and so there's not really

01:51:24.790 --> 01:51:29.730
a problem such an interesting point and measles you know what do you what do you say about measles

01:51:29.730 --> 01:51:35.390
I mean I think we're going to have to grapple with this idea as we move forward you know I want my

01:51:35.390 --> 01:51:38.970
kids have the measles when when the media is like you're going to cause measles like great I mean

01:51:38.970 --> 01:51:43.430
tell me where I got to get my kids over there I want them to catch the measles I want the

01:51:43.430 --> 01:51:49.190
benefits that I know exist when a child has had the measles but our doctor's going to have to

01:51:49.190 --> 01:51:56.090
learn how to treat measles because obviously it was a Brady Bunch episode years ago doctors

01:51:56.090 --> 01:52:02.010
weren't terrified your father wasn't terrified of dealing with the measles no no I'm sure I'm

01:52:02.010 --> 01:52:07.090
sure he wasn't um you know measles is really interesting and I've told people for a long

01:52:07.090 --> 01:52:14.750
time you know if if any infection is possibly going to you know make itself known once again

01:52:14.750 --> 01:52:21.190
it's it's likely to be measles yeah as we're seeing in the last uh year and a half and and

01:52:21.910 --> 01:52:25.290
what's interesting with measles though is the reason why it's coming back

01:52:25.290 --> 01:52:29.530
Dell and you know this but I guess maybe I'm telling this to the audience is largely because

01:52:29.530 --> 01:52:36.010
our adult population is no longer immune yeah you know back when back when adults caught

01:52:36.010 --> 01:52:40.750
real measles they were immune for life yeah but now since we've been vaccinating

01:52:40.750 --> 01:52:47.930
since uh what since the early you know 60s yeah so 62 but it got it gets robust gets robust in the

01:52:47.930 --> 01:52:54.750
70s yeah so now everyone now is growing up they have vaccine immunity for maybe 10 15 20 years

01:52:54.750 --> 01:53:01.690
but then they lose that immunity so the whole herd of adults that we have in the United States

01:53:01.690 --> 01:53:07.750
a large part of our herd doesn't have herd immunity for measles and then yes when some

01:53:07.750 --> 01:53:14.010
children when the families elect to not vaccinate their children because they have concerns about

01:53:14.010 --> 01:53:19.290
the safety of the MMR vaccine we're now going to have some children that don't have vaccine immunity

01:53:19.290 --> 01:53:24.750
either so now we're seeing more measles and children but we're seeing it in adults as well

01:53:24.750 --> 01:53:37.730
and we've been seeing it every single year going back you know ever since we've had measles we've

01:53:37.730 --> 01:53:42.010
as each you know kind of a couple of years go by it's probably going to come in a couple of

01:53:42.010 --> 01:53:47.310
your cycles and it'll be low again and then it'll come back again and I think measles is going to

01:53:47.310 --> 01:53:53.170
become a an ongoing part of our society now I don't think it's going to make you come back

01:53:53.170 --> 01:53:59.270
like like chicken pox and and uh but it's largely because the vaccine wears off and it

01:53:59.270 --> 01:54:05.790
doesn't work in everybody so measles is actually a disease that we can't eliminate from our

01:54:05.790 --> 01:54:10.450
world the infection is just too smart and the vaccine just doesn't work good enough

01:54:10.990 --> 01:54:15.270
so already good points those are points obviously that are in this book so

01:54:15.270 --> 01:54:20.790
for anyone that wants to buy this book I can't recommend enough it's so simple so easy

01:54:20.790 --> 01:54:25.350
you can just turn right to the page of whatever vaccine or whatever disease you're curious

01:54:25.350 --> 01:54:30.870
about where we find this book I guess we have it up here yeah probably I mean you get

01:54:30.870 --> 01:54:36.390
ordered on on amazon anywhere anywhere people sell books and probably everyone get on amazon

01:54:36.390 --> 01:54:42.430
you know leave reviews and that's always helps you know helps sales I love tracking vaccine

01:54:42.430 --> 01:54:47.970
book sales on amazon I love I love looking it's been great to see Aaron's series book there as

01:54:47.970 --> 01:54:54.130
well and it's fun and my book usually hovers around you know number five or six on the on

01:54:54.130 --> 01:55:00.370
the vaccine list so I'd love to see that the silver book hit number one yeah you know vaccines

01:55:00.370 --> 01:55:07.610
and the diseases they target because I think it touches disease information probably better than

01:55:07.610 --> 01:55:12.990
any other book I agree as well as the vaccine information it's really I think that is really

01:55:12.990 --> 01:55:17.870
the stellar part the exciting part about this book and what hasn't really been done certainly

01:55:17.870 --> 01:55:23.570
not this simply and clearly so here's my recommendation sure definitely buy one for

01:55:23.570 --> 01:55:26.810
yourself you want one of these it's easy you got a friend over you can look through it

01:55:26.810 --> 01:55:30.890
but I would make this the Christmas gift to every doctor that you go to just go ahead

01:55:30.890 --> 01:55:35.090
bring it to your pediatrician wrapped up say this should go alongside your pink book

01:55:35.090 --> 01:55:39.970
would really help you understand what's going on there don't worry about it it's from me

01:55:39.970 --> 01:55:45.830
Merry Christmas love you you know and and that'll help you make sure that your doctor is better

01:55:45.830 --> 01:55:52.930
educated Bob you're a hero man you've been on the front lines I'm so glad to see

01:55:52.930 --> 01:55:57.570
you've navigated it you've you've caught slings and arrows from all sides of this to

01:55:57.570 --> 01:56:03.710
precarious space to be in you know I know the you know the people that have said he still

01:56:03.710 --> 01:56:08.850
gives vaccines is an evil person and I remember I interviewed you a few years ago and and you

01:56:08.850 --> 01:56:14.170
said something that has always stuck with me Dell there are parents in in California that are

01:56:14.170 --> 01:56:18.170
trying to spread them out that are trying to do whatever they can to make this as safe

01:56:18.170 --> 01:56:22.210
for their kids they don't have a choice if I'm not here they really don't have a choice

01:56:22.210 --> 01:56:27.950
I'm working with people wherever they're at I'm so glad you're there I'm so glad the position

01:56:27.950 --> 01:56:33.290
you've held it's been critical and important and I know babies are healthier and are living and alive

01:56:33.290 --> 01:56:38.790
and maybe we'll go on to be great scientists that can do better science because you were there

01:56:38.790 --> 01:56:44.010
to make sure they survived so thank you for that work well thank you Dell and I just want to

01:56:44.010 --> 01:56:47.870
say I appreciate your friendship Dell you know you kind of said at the beginning of the

01:56:47.870 --> 01:56:54.510
show you and I met a long time ago and and uh it's been great to to know you over these years

01:56:54.510 --> 01:57:00.250
and to see your journey as well and feel your passion and nobody's more passionate than you

01:57:00.250 --> 01:57:04.890
Dell so I appreciate your friendship I'm glad that that you're out there and and yeah it's

01:57:04.890 --> 01:57:10.130
fun to see what the ACIP is is going to do with this it looks like they're talking about

01:57:10.130 --> 01:57:15.890
making a the happy vaccine under the shared decision-making category the individual decision

01:57:15.890 --> 01:57:20.210
making category it looks like they're probably not going to just take it off the whole schedule

01:57:20.210 --> 01:57:24.310
right but they're going to change it into something where the doctor will then kind of

01:57:24.310 --> 01:57:30.050
individually have this conversation patient to patient which I think is where most of this

01:57:30.050 --> 01:57:34.650
should be I've said it from the beginning I should all be there I think it should all be

01:57:34.650 --> 01:57:40.890
there I you know we're smart people we should be able to be educated you're you know the

01:57:40.890 --> 01:57:47.330
nonprofit you're part of physicians for informed consent my nonprofit informed consent action

01:57:47.330 --> 01:57:53.170
network informed consent is not about erasing vaccines from the planet it's not about erasing

01:57:53.170 --> 01:57:58.030
anything from the plant what it's saying is inform me and what is my risk if there's 400

01:57:58.030 --> 01:58:02.290
kids that have a problem with this of the millions being born then I don't think this is

01:58:02.290 --> 01:58:07.470
a problem I need to worry about I know I don't have hepatitis B I've been informed I recognize

01:58:07.470 --> 01:58:14.370
my baby has zero risk and based on the information I'm going to make a choice but if I'm hepatitis

01:58:14.370 --> 01:58:19.610
B positive for whatever reason got a bad blood transfusion you name it I should be able to have

01:58:19.610 --> 01:58:23.130
a kid I should have a product available to me my doctor should be able to have an honest

01:58:23.130 --> 01:58:27.930
conversation with me and have a product that is there and available that is the world that

01:58:27.930 --> 01:58:32.290
I think Robert Kennedy Jr. is working towards it may not be the eradication of the vaccine

01:58:32.290 --> 01:58:37.030
program as some people would dream but that has never been what Bobby Kennedy has promised

01:58:37.030 --> 01:58:41.830
it's never been what you promised by the statement informed consent we stand by informed

01:58:41.830 --> 01:58:45.950
consent all we want is your right to choose and you've been a big part of that it's what I believe

01:58:45.950 --> 01:58:52.470
and I pray I pray that you're right that we're going to finally see the first vaccine really

01:58:52.470 --> 01:58:56.870
since COVID but this is the one that is not protected by prep which is going to you know

01:58:56.870 --> 01:59:01.610
set a lot of other things in action we're going to finally see real choice in a free country

01:59:01.610 --> 01:59:08.510
return to the people all right Bob amen absolutely take care everyone go out get yourself

01:59:08.510 --> 01:59:12.910
vaccines and the disease they target Bob thank you for taking the time today I look forward to

01:59:12.910 --> 01:59:20.390
catching up with you soon yeah you too all right oh man so many great heroes that have made

01:59:20.390 --> 01:59:25.690
today possible that are out there so many great groups coming together but we need your help

01:59:25.690 --> 01:59:29.530
as I've said before we're the ones that are in the courtrooms you know there's a lot of writing

01:59:29.530 --> 01:59:33.770
we you know department's like god I wish we'd have written that book we've been talking about doing it

01:59:33.770 --> 01:59:37.510
they did it because this is for informed consent have written a book that you should really have

01:59:37.510 --> 01:59:42.230
in your arsenal along with Aaron series book vaccines amen which lays out the whole story

01:59:42.230 --> 01:59:47.150
all around the court cases but we can win folks and we have to win in West Virginia

01:59:47.150 --> 01:59:52.370
we cannot let up I always I don't know if you watch MMA fighting but I do on occasion when

01:59:52.370 --> 01:59:55.890
I'm flipping through channels and grabs your attention but man you can watch someone that

01:59:55.890 --> 02:00:00.590
just have someone almost look like they're dead across on them and all of a sudden this haymaker

02:00:00.590 --> 02:00:06.390
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02:00:06.390 --> 02:00:13.650
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02:00:13.650 --> 02:00:18.570
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02:00:18.570 --> 02:00:24.350
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episode was never the same my family was involved in the second only vaccine litigation case in

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we're going to give you a gift bag that has valued over a hundred dollars of extra stuff for extra

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gifts and i would say this you know that that person in your family you're a little afraid of

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having the conversation with you know if you're back during christmas you haven't been

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getting along very well you definitely can't talk about that issue and you don't know what

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am i going to get them for christmas how about a high wire shirt how about a high wire hat how about

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a high wire mug that would do the job be a lot of fun anyway these are great gifts from shirts to

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hats to faraday bags to protect you know your loved ones if they're using cell phones great

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stocking stuff or also a great conversation piece and if you go there right now and spend

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more than 75 dollars do it now you only have enough time to really make christmas you're

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going to get over a hundred dollars worth of free stuff sent to you additional a bag full of all sorts

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of christmas gifts for you or those that you love so this is a great opportunity for you a great

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opportunity for us to celebrate the holidays and continue to fund this incredible work that we're

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doing this is an amazing show today because we have the advisory committee and immunization

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practices where we're watching finally science being discussed as bob sears just celebrated

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we're celebrating a book that everybody the silver book that you can buy that doctors can buy

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that really simplifies this conversation but whether you've bought that book whether you're

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watching these meetings or you're watching the high wire the big question is how am i going to

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have that conversation at the christmas table or the hanukkah table we're all going home for

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the holidays but you don't want to show up with this shirt not vaccinated and ready to talk

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politics uh you know i don't think i don't think that that's giving i don't think that was the way

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to do it but you know nice try anyway you know what i mean this is these are sensitive topics

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but it's the most important thing we're going to do right now because we have a vote that's coming

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up we have things we have a you know an electoral season coming that will decide how much robert

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kenney jr is going to be able to do how far down the road are we going to get we're only

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going to get there if we keep enrolling more and more people that's why i want everyone sharing

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an inconvenient study just go there get in the study dot com uh share the film but how are you

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going to talk to your friends and loved ones well i'm joined now by carrie bigford that that is

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exactly what you are doing you've got a program yes to help people talk about this

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somewhat complicated issue it's not somewhat complicated it's very complicated and we absolutely

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have to talk about it because we won't succeed if we can't have this conversation and fear is one

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of the biggest barriers yeah i know that you've been moving a long time just like me have you ever

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had one of your well-intentioned thoughtful conversations go unexpectedly sideways with someone

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never well no but i know a lot of people that have absolutely of course never we've all right

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you know especially when you're starting out when i first was you know traveling with vaxed

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every once in a while i get myself into a position where i you know brought up a point

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that then gets used against me the way i hadn't imagined you don't do that twice yep but it'd be

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great if someone had like walked that road and had said you know what here's the mistake i've

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made you don't want to make that mistake well i failed forward great and through lots of years

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of bad outreach i developed excellent outreach okay and you my background is mental health so

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one of the reasons why those conversations can go sideways on a difficult polarizing

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emotionally driven topic like medical liberty it's actually biological you know humans have a

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two-story brain okay we have an upstairs brain which is slow deliberative logical it is the

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excellent upstairs outreach partner brain for us and then we have a downstairs brain which is

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fast instinctive and a little bit always running amok based on our feelings okay and the fun

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thing about the emotional brain is moving faster than the the far faster and even more fun

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the emotional brain i think the zealot brain i'm using no most people are actually downstairs

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brain dominant which is part of the problem yeah and so we come in trying to bring with logic

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and the only way to get upstairs there's no external staircase the only way to access someone's

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slow deliberative logical good outreach partner for us upstairs brain is through the staircase

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downstairs so having an awareness of what's happening in your partner and how that communication

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works neurologically can help you frame so rather than trying to come in first with hard logic

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and facts which won't work i've watched i've said that my own way which is go ahead and just bury

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someone in science and you will get nowhere they're gonna you'll get nowhere you just watch

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the door close absolutely right yeah so what we do in our approach is we actually go downstairs

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up okay so we focus on establishing safety and trust first we have a like four basic

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steps i mean there's a lot of tips and tricks that we have in our program to help you with

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communicate but basically we've just done four main steps it is prepare yourself to do the work

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and when you're preparing yourself to do the work you are coming up with some idea of what

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you're going to inform with and you want that something to be not nuanced yeah objective

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reality so not your opinions belief choices ideas whatever right and you also want to make

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sure that you are coming from a place that is centered enough where you are no longer vulnerable

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to your partner's emotional wins right you need to be able to be centered enough to stay upstairs

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in your upstairs brain and not go downstairs and fight okay yeah so first step is you prepare

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yourself do the work it's a really good point right because that's where i think we get off

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right we start out we go home it's been a big raging fight yep not going to talk to my sister

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again for another six months yeah and you know you're kicking yourself why didn't get emotional

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i was the one that had the upper hand i had the information yes it was that closed mindedness

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that was i was running against and then i got emotional and the thing just went absolutely

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once people get upset with one another right rational thinking goes out the window right

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i mean emotional miscommunication and emotional feelings are the main thing that derail

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communication yeah all across the board all cultures all humans everywhere it's emotions

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that derail communication yeah so being able to have some way to get yourself regulated emotionally

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so that you can stay centered enough to be on task and on topic and mainly not vulnerable to your

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partner's emotional wins is a really big deal and also being able to replace your judgment with

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curiosity right yeah being able to identify your partner's position and empathize with it

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and empathy is not agreement empathy is understanding your partner's position it's not agreement

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and so after you have prepared yourself because it's a real thing you're doing that you need to

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prepare for or you will go in flames and get an emotional reaction it's designed for that we're

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designed for that we are designed for that we are designed to be downstairs we're dominant we are

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designed to have that wild card irrational nature of humans right and we see that everywhere

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right i experiences medical liberty all the time yeah and so after you're prepared yourself and

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you're centered and you're ready to go and you have some idea of what non-nuance objective reality

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fact you're going to share when that point comes along then you connect with your partner

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and connection is really the step that you spend the most time on and you never never

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informed before you connect you have to connect and manage that downstairs brain

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and establish trust and safety first because you have to be invited upstairs you got to remember

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you're entering someone's downstairs ground floor level yeah you have to be invited upstairs

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you don't just show up upstairs you're invited upstairs and you're invited upstairs by establishing

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trust safety and connection through connection work okay yeah absolutely um we have lots and

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lots so so tell me so do you have a course i can take how do is it like how does work

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because i look i think this is really super important again i agree something i wish i'd

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had the time to develop some teaching i wish i had me 25 years ago but you've done it and so

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where do people go how do they connect with this because look we've got you know three weeks right

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now to go get ourselves prepared for what i think is is going to be oh here we go uh i guess it's

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up right there texas for vaccine choice but oh i can click on the promo code so there you can

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02:11:44.090 --> 02:11:48.410
and you can find it there under train with team tfvc okay so you'll be information if you're in

02:11:48.410 --> 02:11:52.630
texas you can volunteer for us and take the class for free if you're out of texas you can buy a

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ticket it comes with this handy dandy workbook that has all kinds of exercises that walk you

02:11:57.990 --> 02:12:02.410
through and help you internalize and apply the information but going back to connect

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another piece i really want your audience to understand was really not my idea but it's

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one of the lenses that we use to help with our outreach work and it's called a 738 55 percent rule

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okay it was founded in the 70s by a UCLA psychology professor albert mehavrian okay and it's

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very important and very true and what it says is it's not what you say it's how you sound

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and what you look like when you say it right only seven percent of your partner's perceived

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meaning of you actually comes from the word spoken i spent sad literal years trying to find

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perfect magical words and i mean advocates all the time that are obsessing about perfect magical

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words but i could find the perfect words well you know what the perfect words get you seven

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percent of the communication puzzle that's it interesting 38 percent however comes from your

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tone of voice alone so rather than taking all that energy trying to find perfect words that

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don't exist and don't get you very far focus on developing an awareness of how you sound to

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your partner do i sound aggressive do i sound approachable do i sound calm right do i sound

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condescending do i absolutely do i sound judgmental right all of those things develop an

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awareness of your sound and then 55 percent 55 percent more than half comes from your body language

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and facial expressions alone am i closed off to you am i turned in your direction do i seem welcoming

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and approachable because those two things your tone of voice and your body language provide the

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contextual cues that give the meaning to the words to your partner i use very clear and direct

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language and all of my interactions and it is my voice tone and my body language that conveys

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my love and care for you and there is nothing i mean nothing more powerful and magical than you

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and your ability to connect with the person in front of you so connection is a very important

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step that should not be missed or rushed and during that connection step you're looking for

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three things in your discovery process with your partner what my partner's position is

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why that position makes sense to them and what they need to shift into a different space

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okay yeah you discover that and when you discover that and you've gained trust and

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established safety you've your prize for connecting well is gaining the influence to

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inform your partner and when you inform definitely choose something not nuanced don't

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go in the weeds okay yeah you're asking your partner to elicit a worldview shift right

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barring trauma as most people in medical liberty came here through trauma but barring trauma

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there is a lot of resistance to that worldview shift and the dominant worldview is that vaccines

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are what safe and effective yeah safe and effective right and to pierce that right

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is a big ask for someone so don't just be surprised by resistance but expect it

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and help your partner shift by giving them things that are not nuanced that are objective

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reality and easily verifiable so that they can push back and openly resist that reality

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and be proven wrong right that helps your partner shift so much and while you're doing that

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make sure that you're staying regulated you're staying open to them be mindful of your body

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language and your voice tone and then after you've informed your partner and they're marinating

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in it the last step is allow right I meet advocates that struggle with allowing yeah all

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the time and I struggled greatly too I was coming from a fear-based place I did not

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want those people to be harmed I was frightened that they would be harmed and I got too attached to

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their outcome but the truth is just like you and I know we are not at the decision-making table

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for anyone else but ourselves not and I will I'll say this I've said it before the odds are

02:16:09.970 --> 02:16:13.870
you're not going to see that shift in that that sitting yep right this is like a you're

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planting this is a television series you're not an episode 10 it's going to get 10 to get there

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what you want is for them to tune back in absolutely want them to have this conversation

02:16:21.770 --> 02:16:26.330
with you you know what I really appreciate that conversation yesterday yep I'd like to I wanted

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to follow up with a couple more questions that's what you're trying to hope that you hear you

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want them to you know assimilate and internalize what you shared and be willing to continue

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their relationship in the future so that you can have more opportunities to help them shift

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because again you're eliciting a worldview shift in your partner which is a very tall

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order for humans to do yeah and it's important to recognize that there's no two minutes that's

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going to shift anyone unless they were about to shift anyway yeah right yeah which you don't

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know when you like talking to random people is one of my absolute favorite activities I mean it

02:17:00.070 --> 02:17:05.270
may sound a little odd but I love it I love talking to people that I don't know and getting to see

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how far I can get with them and where they are on this spectrum of understanding because

02:17:10.050 --> 02:17:15.690
regardless of your individual choices you want medical liberty laws in your life you do not want

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bureaucratic government people to decide what happens to your body ever this is the most important

02:17:21.270 --> 02:17:26.090
issue it even freedom if you care about what this country represents if you want it to last for your

02:17:26.090 --> 02:17:31.450
children and the generations to come I do think this is the tip of the spear I think you make a

02:17:31.450 --> 02:17:35.050
good point I would also say what's great they should take this course right now you can go

02:17:35.050 --> 02:17:42.250
we are having a high wire specific class okay on December 9th so Tuesday December 9th you can do that

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qr code there's a promo code to take 20 off you'll get long class with me that's live where you can

02:17:50.270 --> 02:17:54.970
ask all the questions that you want you'll also get a workbook mailed to you so that you can

02:17:54.970 --> 02:18:00.970
have tons and tons and tons of information to help you internalize and apply those tenants

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because again I want you to be successful we must be successful or we're not going to succeed we will

02:18:07.090 --> 02:18:11.330
lose our liberty we will lose our liberty and we have to get the hearts and minds we have to have

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this conversation with the people that we love and the people that we don't know that we love yet

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right I just had this image I know like I'm one of the world's worst dog trainers we have like

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these feral dogs in our house but if you've ever had a dog like that right yeah that gets

02:18:25.850 --> 02:18:29.470
outside of the yard and they're running towards the road and you and virtually like get over here

02:18:29.470 --> 02:18:33.790
you clap and then they look and then now is the game and then you yell and now they start going more

02:18:33.790 --> 02:18:38.230
and more and eventually you just like I found like I just dropped down on my back and like just

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lay there and I have to act like I don't care if you run that traffic and just see if you'll come

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to me because all the attention's just driving them away it's a lot of what this game is with

02:18:47.450 --> 02:18:51.330
someone you love you have to just you know approach in a way where you're not pushing

02:18:51.330 --> 02:18:56.190
them away humans have a natural inborn defense mechanism against it being controlled

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it's called reactance okay and it's a real thing and part of allowing is what I call the paradox

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of outreach which is when you as the advocate can let go of your need to control their choice

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because that's what you're doing when you're to attach to their choice that's your need to work

02:19:15.390 --> 02:19:21.810
through when you can let go of your need to control their choice that is the exact moment

02:19:21.810 --> 02:19:28.650
when you gain the type of influence that truly can help them shift that choice people can feel

02:19:28.650 --> 02:19:34.890
when you're not attached my own personal growth marker of my success as an advocate has been the

02:19:34.890 --> 02:19:41.110
enhanced ease with which I can allow I am not attached anymore to anyone else's choice but mine

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and because of that I shift people faster and more effectively than I ever did when I clung

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to my need to have their choice be what I needed it to be and that's hard to hear sometimes right

02:19:54.110 --> 02:19:58.250
well you know what let's get into your personal story right after the show and off absolutely I

02:19:58.250 --> 02:20:03.290
want to hear how that got you there yeah take advantage of this texas for vaccine choice you

02:20:03.290 --> 02:20:07.790
can click on the QR code let's bring it up one more time this is really important this I mean

02:20:07.790 --> 02:20:12.490
you should really take this on I want to do better over the holidays it's time man we've

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got the momentum at our back the winds are back the science is with us go in be happy look there's

02:20:17.910 --> 02:20:22.910
no reason to get defensive we're in the offensive position it's really easy to get nice and friendly

02:20:22.910 --> 02:20:28.890
right now but start enrolling people right start using honey to catch those bees and not vinegar

02:20:29.770 --> 02:20:35.530
you know we were hoping today that somehow we would break from this show and go to this

02:20:35.530 --> 02:20:43.510
incredible vote on hepatitis b and watch history being made I pray when hepatitis b is removed

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from recommendation for all children that is now being delayed because apparently even though

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every one of the news reported that vote was happening today some doctors didn't think they

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were prepared all they were prepared to do was bitch this is one of them let me begin by saying

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that I take strong positions against each of the three presentations that have been made

02:21:10.350 --> 02:21:17.310
many statements that I don't agree with that it's hard to be succinct but let me begin

02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:24.670
with Dr. Cynthia Neveson first of all I think you conflated

02:21:26.230 --> 02:21:34.670
serology at that is antibodies with protection against infection but I don't think there has been a

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single case of hepatitis b that has occurred in a person who was otherwise healthy or a neonate

02:21:44.950 --> 02:21:52.690
who was otherwise healthy who received the recommended schedule this is a this disease

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has gone down in the United States thanks to the effectiveness of our current immunization program

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the next point your opinion in your opinion is that fair in my opinion well okay these are facts

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Robert well there's Dr. Cody Meisner who is you know and I pointed out

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look I'm glad he's there proving Robert Kennedy Jr. didn't get her approval that believed in pharma and

02:22:29.070 --> 02:22:34.110
didn't care that this vaccine only had a five-day safety trial we need those types in there too

02:22:34.890 --> 02:22:39.070
but what kind of science does he talk about do you know how rare this issue is do you know

02:22:39.070 --> 02:22:44.250
how rare hepatitis b is do you know how hard it'd be determined if vaccinating everybody on

02:22:44.250 --> 02:22:48.550
the planet that didn't need this was actually making a difference at all he calls those facts

02:22:49.070 --> 02:22:53.790
they all call things facts just like Tony Fauci said it was a fact that six foot distancing

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would make a difference it was science and if you question him you question the science

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except when they were under oath just like Catherine Edwards suddenly all that science

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disappears you realize there is none but despite the fact even though Cody showed up today

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he had a whole dossier that had been sent to him saying today we're going to discuss it

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at the end we're going to vote apparently he was the one saying I don't think we're ready to

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vote this is the moment that we've missed while we're doing the show you could put it up once

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again so I mean it's it would be much easier if we could have a hard copy of this and think

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about it a little bit I would like to make a motion that we have an opportunity to look

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at a hard copy of the votes and hopefully defer until tomorrow if that's possible

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do we have a second uh on that motion I second okay that second that motion

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this is Dr. Hibbel and I second that motion

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well there you have it I can't imagine what's going to happen tonight I mean are the lobbies of

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the pharmaceutical industry going to reach out to the individuals on this committee maybe are

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they going to reach out to the establishments where they were at the hospitals the clinics

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so it's going to be pressure there what are they what does Cody really think is going to

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happen overnight as you think we're just going to go home and read and that's going to make a

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difference I doubt that that is all that's taking place but then again that's my opinion

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that's my perspective I guess they need some moment some way to regroup and figure out

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can we pressure these people because I think they feel like the writing's on the wall they

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thought they were going to win this vote there was no problem we're going to keep

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vaccinating 99.95 percent of the babies that never needed this vaccine and continue to make

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billions of dollars off of a product that was totally unnecessary I guess they want one more

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shot at it they need another night's sleep some more pillow talk if you will we are up against

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close-minded individuals we're up against a religion not science we are fighting against

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billionaires and frankly trillionaires this industry is the most powerful in the world

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we have one in West Virginia and it didn't matter they've driven to another court and

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they're going to keep pushing in everywhere and they want us to walk away they want us to

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throw up our hands and give up they wanted the same thing in COVID just roll over get the damn

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vaccine get your vaccine passport or you're never getting on a bus again and we said no

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no I'm not doing it I'm standing up we're standing up for real right now we're standing

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up inside of government Robert Kennedy Jr. standing up Dr. Robert Rolone is running real

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science where everyone is allowed to the table we're having these conversations for the first

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time we're standing in courtrooms for you 90 courtrooms we're in right now with cases

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with ICANN all across this country and the most important that have ever been fought

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especially West Virginia right now and a case in New York that we believe will go to the

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Supreme Court you can do something you can tell your friends you can learn how to talk to

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your friends super important but do not take this moment lightly we are not going to get

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another chance at this we are not going to find ourselves in this position for a very

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very long time unless we win unless we take this opportunity to win this battle

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and then win this war this is a war for our children this is a war for our species

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this is our war for sovereignty and most importantly is the war for freedom

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do not take it lightly be responsible act accordingly and do everything you can right now

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to make sure that when you have that last moment in your life when you're lying on your death bed I

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assure you it will not be about whether you meet your maker and God tells you how you've done

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if your children are not free because somehow you shirked your duty you just thought

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Del Bigtree's got this handled or Aaron Siri can do it without me or Robert Malone's on this

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well if you think that's going to alleviate your guilt in that moment I think you're wrong

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wouldn't be better on the last days of our lives to look at our children

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and say you're welcome if we are free because we cared we did what was right

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that's what's happening today be a part of it I'll see you next week on the High Wire