WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:01.880 Tom Woods Show. 00:08.620 --> 00:09.980 Hey everybody, Tom Woods here. 00:10.100 --> 00:12.740 It's episode 2746, The Tom Woods Show. 00:13.080 --> 00:15.380 And I'm just delighted to have Kelly Paul with me. 00:15.480 --> 00:17.400 She is co-author with her husband, 00:17.600 --> 00:20.540 Senator Rand Paul of The Case Against Socialism, 00:20.860 --> 00:23.760 as well as, well, this one's from over a decade ago, 00:24.180 --> 00:26.280 true and constant friends, love and inspiration 00:26.280 --> 00:28.340 from our grandmothers, mothers and friends. 00:28.780 --> 00:30.380 And we're gonna talk a little bit later 00:30.380 --> 00:33.000 about a couple of children's books she has forthcoming. 00:33.000 --> 00:37.080 But, you know, I just thought, I follow you on Twitter 00:38.340 --> 00:42.300 and I agree with all your posts and all your reposts 00:42.300 --> 00:44.500 and I thought we would have a good conversation. 00:44.680 --> 00:45.740 So thanks for being here. 00:46.140 --> 00:46.820 Thank you, Tom. 00:47.120 --> 00:48.460 I'm delighted to be with you today. 00:49.120 --> 00:52.540 Now, I wanna ask about your professional background, 00:52.540 --> 00:54.960 but I first, I can't help saying, 00:55.600 --> 00:58.600 this is not quite the life I suppose you were expecting 00:58.600 --> 01:01.580 when you first met Rand Paul, all those decades, 01:01.660 --> 01:02.740 several decades ago? 01:03.120 --> 01:04.060 Yes, yes. 01:04.240 --> 01:08.680 We've been married for, well, it'll be 36 years in October. 01:09.120 --> 01:12.020 October 20th, 1990, we got married. 01:12.580 --> 01:15.880 And yeah, I just thought I was marrying 01:15.880 --> 01:19.380 this wonderful physician, which he is. 01:19.940 --> 01:22.020 I knew he loved politics of course 01:22.020 --> 01:25.480 and I knew about his family, but, you know, 01:25.480 --> 01:28.460 at the time he really said he didn't have any intention 01:29.000 --> 01:31.920 of running for anything because his dad, Ron Paul, 01:32.080 --> 01:35.100 had always said, you know, you put all of this time 01:35.100 --> 01:39.160 and energy into medical school and residency, 01:39.160 --> 01:42.020 you need to practice for at least 15 or 20 years 01:42.020 --> 01:45.800 before you even think about it, which we almost made that. 01:46.320 --> 01:49.140 You know, but I also believe as Rand says, 01:49.280 --> 01:50.200 timing is everything. 01:51.180 --> 01:55.000 And when Jim Bunning decided not to run for that seat 01:55.000 --> 01:57.740 and it was an open seat, suddenly, you know, 01:57.840 --> 02:02.380 our life made a pretty abrupt turn into politics 02:02.380 --> 02:04.680 from small town doctor in Bowling Green, Kentucky 02:04.680 --> 02:05.840 to US Senator. 02:07.360 --> 02:08.740 Can you share with us a little bit 02:08.740 --> 02:12.200 of what the conversations were like when it came up? 02:12.480 --> 02:14.120 I think I'd like to run for US Senate. 02:14.240 --> 02:17.200 I mean, surely it had to have had at least 02:17.200 --> 02:19.800 some inspiration from the success of his father. 02:21.420 --> 02:27.480 Yes, it was, obviously, I wasn't super for it right at first. 02:27.980 --> 02:29.960 You know, we had all of our kids were still at home 02:29.960 --> 02:35.320 and it's a daunting thing to even consider running 02:35.320 --> 02:38.160 for statewide office, national office. 02:39.460 --> 02:41.960 So I was a little skeptical. 02:43.060 --> 02:46.280 Rand is an extremely optimistic person. 02:46.680 --> 02:49.100 He's an extremely persuasive person. 02:50.820 --> 02:55.200 His persuasion tactic on me was that he, 02:55.360 --> 02:56.080 because I said, you know, 02:56.120 --> 02:57.540 I thought we were going to do this later in life. 02:57.580 --> 02:59.040 He said, well, we are in our, you know, 02:59.200 --> 03:00.640 mid to late forties now. 03:00.780 --> 03:03.040 And I was thinking like, I don't know, 03:03.180 --> 03:04.480 60 you'll run or something. 03:04.620 --> 03:06.440 He said, but the time is right for now. 03:06.920 --> 03:08.220 And he said, you know, Kelly, 03:08.720 --> 03:10.260 this is just going to set the stage. 03:10.320 --> 03:13.100 He said, I have less than a 5% chance 03:13.600 --> 03:14.860 of winning this seat. 03:15.120 --> 03:17.860 You know, Mitch McConnell's handpicked candidate, 03:17.860 --> 03:20.460 Trey Grayson, Secretary of State, 03:20.740 --> 03:24.500 paid all his dues, has had statewide office now for, 03:24.720 --> 03:25.840 I don't know how long he'd been in, 03:26.040 --> 03:27.860 but you know, Rand had zero name recognition. 03:28.300 --> 03:30.640 He was, you know, an ophthalmologist 03:30.640 --> 03:31.880 in Bowling Green, Kentucky. 03:32.140 --> 03:33.240 And he said, I'm not going to win. 03:33.360 --> 03:35.100 I have less than 5% chance of winning, 03:35.380 --> 03:36.380 but let's do this. 03:36.480 --> 03:38.020 And it'll set up my name recognition, 03:38.260 --> 03:40.800 will be good exercise for later 03:40.800 --> 03:42.380 when the kids are all out of the house 03:42.380 --> 03:45.060 and I'll run maybe in my fifties or sixties. 03:45.400 --> 03:47.080 And I remember looking at him, 03:47.080 --> 03:48.860 I knew in my heart of hearts, 03:48.920 --> 03:51.180 I said, if you do this, you're going to win. 03:51.360 --> 03:52.640 I know you're going to win. 03:52.800 --> 03:55.640 When people hear you, they're going to love you 03:55.640 --> 03:56.460 and you're going to win. 03:56.680 --> 03:58.440 So we have, you know, I'm going into this 03:58.440 --> 03:59.520 knowing that you're going to win. 03:59.660 --> 04:00.060 And I did. 04:00.300 --> 04:02.320 And even though it was a crazy race, 04:02.480 --> 04:04.180 I don't know if you remember back in 2010, 04:04.380 --> 04:05.780 the national attention it got, 04:06.920 --> 04:09.980 it was definitely a trial by fire for me 04:11.600 --> 04:15.060 to experience that from just out of the blue 04:15.060 --> 04:18.660 to Rand being literally on every single cable news channel, 04:19.120 --> 04:19.940 24 seven. 04:20.080 --> 04:23.280 I remember sitting in my kitchen and I had the remote 04:23.280 --> 04:27.740 and I would just go from CNN to Fox to MSNBC 04:27.740 --> 04:29.460 to all the different things thinking, okay, 04:29.640 --> 04:32.600 let me find somewhere where they're not talking about Rand 04:32.600 --> 04:33.240 that year. 04:33.340 --> 04:34.360 And I never would. 04:34.600 --> 04:35.440 I mean, it would be constant. 04:36.500 --> 04:40.200 Well, that, so it so happens by a bizarre coincidence 04:40.200 --> 04:43.080 that I was in the same college graduating class 04:43.080 --> 04:44.320 with Trey Grayson. 04:44.320 --> 04:45.660 So I knew him a little. 04:46.140 --> 04:46.500 Oh, okay. 04:46.640 --> 04:49.660 And he, the thing was, cause I, you know, I thought, 04:49.760 --> 04:52.900 well, let me see if I can tell Rand anything. 04:53.100 --> 04:56.520 And I was thinking back and the thing that stood up, 04:56.640 --> 04:59.240 stood out about Trey was that nobody really knew 04:59.240 --> 05:01.860 what his political allegiances were. 05:02.000 --> 05:03.660 He was the guy who was always hanging out 05:03.660 --> 05:04.880 at the Kennedy School of Government. 05:05.380 --> 05:06.940 But we didn't know, was he? 05:07.280 --> 05:08.920 I mean, we thought probably he was like 05:08.920 --> 05:11.760 a conservative Democrat, but nobody exactly knew. 05:12.300 --> 05:16.040 And so I thought that is the fact that he never 05:16.040 --> 05:19.120 kind of poked his head up and took a stand 05:19.120 --> 05:20.780 on anything that any of us would remember 05:20.780 --> 05:23.380 was almost like he was planning a political career 05:23.380 --> 05:23.920 even then. 05:24.120 --> 05:25.600 No one knew anything about him. 05:25.660 --> 05:27.500 Was it the perfect guy for Mitch McConnell? 05:28.140 --> 05:30.360 Yes, you're exactly right. 05:30.680 --> 05:32.100 And, you know, isn't that the case 05:32.100 --> 05:33.620 with so many people in government, 05:33.840 --> 05:37.760 literally from high school on, they want this path. 05:38.040 --> 05:39.840 And Rand always describes it as, 05:40.480 --> 05:45.060 they wanna be someone rather than do something, right? 05:45.180 --> 05:47.360 They want this role in government. 05:47.620 --> 05:49.120 And so they're very cautious. 05:49.860 --> 05:53.020 They never take a stand too much on either side. 05:53.360 --> 05:56.040 And that's part of the problem that we have in government. 05:56.320 --> 05:59.100 People want to just protect their role 05:59.780 --> 06:04.900 and be seen as, I don't know, reasonable or whatever. 06:05.200 --> 06:07.800 And so they don't ever take any hard stands. 06:07.800 --> 06:11.560 And that's probably why we're $38 trillion in debt. 06:13.000 --> 06:14.100 Let's go way back. 06:14.240 --> 06:15.000 How did you guys meet? 06:16.020 --> 06:21.240 We met at an oyster roast in Atlanta, Georgia in 1989. 06:24.300 --> 06:27.960 We were, I was there with friends from work 06:27.960 --> 06:31.800 and he was there with a bunch of other residents 06:31.800 --> 06:33.960 from Georgia Baptist. 06:33.960 --> 06:37.760 He was doing his internship in general surgery 06:37.760 --> 06:38.760 at Georgia Baptist. 06:40.080 --> 06:42.140 And yeah, I was just there. 06:42.420 --> 06:43.320 I was kind of bored. 06:43.500 --> 06:46.860 I had gone up to a bunch of girls from University of Georgia 06:46.860 --> 06:48.160 that were having a good time. 06:48.280 --> 06:49.740 And I was like, I'm gonna meet some new people. 06:50.060 --> 06:53.220 And before I knew it, I was having fun with these girls 06:53.220 --> 06:54.560 from University of Georgia. 06:54.560 --> 06:56.100 They graduated a few years before 06:56.100 --> 06:57.660 and I turned around and there was Rand. 06:58.600 --> 07:01.820 And he was manning the keg and asked me 07:01.820 --> 07:02.560 if I wanted a beer. 07:03.960 --> 07:05.840 I was like, yeah, and we talked for a while 07:05.840 --> 07:07.480 and he was smart and interesting, 07:07.620 --> 07:09.680 but we were just kind of talking vaguely. 07:09.840 --> 07:11.780 We were actually talking, if you can believe this, 07:11.840 --> 07:12.760 I know this sounds crazy, 07:12.760 --> 07:15.240 but we were talking about Dostoevsky. 07:15.900 --> 07:17.400 And he was smart. 07:17.640 --> 07:18.720 He was like, I got my favorite books, 07:18.900 --> 07:20.140 Brothers, Caramots, I don't even know 07:20.140 --> 07:21.480 how we got into all of that. 07:21.700 --> 07:23.340 But anyway, at first I thought 07:23.340 --> 07:24.920 he was really too young for me. 07:25.020 --> 07:26.940 I was like, gosh, he looked really young. 07:27.180 --> 07:29.280 I mean, I was 25, he was 26 07:29.280 --> 07:32.180 and he looked younger than that at the time. 07:32.180 --> 07:34.460 And then there was this crazy thing. 07:34.580 --> 07:35.560 I always talk about it. 07:35.660 --> 07:38.080 Like it was like a divine intervention or something 07:38.080 --> 07:40.680 because about 20 minutes later, 07:40.720 --> 07:43.240 I was back talking to the girls from University of Georgia 07:43.240 --> 07:45.940 and there was this dramatic event that happened 07:45.940 --> 07:48.560 that there were a bunch of people sitting on a low deck 07:49.200 --> 07:51.060 at this party and it collapsed. 07:51.700 --> 07:54.880 And all these people spilled out into the grass. 07:55.320 --> 07:57.120 And it wasn't like it was 20 feet high or anything. 07:57.200 --> 07:58.460 It was like four feet or something. 07:58.700 --> 08:01.960 So it was like, no, thankfully no one was really hurt, 08:01.960 --> 08:03.520 but in that moment it was dramatic 08:03.520 --> 08:05.680 and everyone's like, oh my gosh, 08:05.740 --> 08:06.740 these people are laying in the grass 08:06.740 --> 08:09.420 and I see Rand and these three other guys going over there 08:09.420 --> 08:11.100 because he hadn't told me he was a doctor when we talked 08:11.100 --> 08:12.820 and I see him like, you know, 08:12.840 --> 08:14.580 doing all these manipulations on people 08:14.580 --> 08:16.600 and this girl goes, oh thank goodness 08:16.600 --> 08:19.480 we have all these doctors here from Georgia Baptist. 08:19.740 --> 08:21.640 And I'm like, that is a doctor. 08:22.460 --> 08:25.040 I thought he was like still in college or something. 08:25.440 --> 08:27.360 And so anyway, after that, 08:27.460 --> 08:30.320 like Rand was definitely surrounded by a lot of girls, 08:31.440 --> 08:34.640 including me, but he was like, hey, we started talking again. 08:34.760 --> 08:36.360 And I gave him my phone number 08:36.360 --> 08:38.220 and went out to dinner the next night. 08:40.020 --> 08:42.080 That is, all right, that's a great story. 08:42.220 --> 08:44.220 But what is your professional background? 08:44.620 --> 08:46.580 Don't you have a background in political consulting? 08:47.440 --> 08:48.740 Not political consulting. 08:48.960 --> 08:51.220 I did a little bit of it, tried it. 08:51.340 --> 08:53.260 And you know, I decided it wasn't really for me. 08:53.300 --> 08:54.800 My background is marketing communications. 08:55.180 --> 08:57.600 I wrote executive speeches for Sprint, 08:58.540 --> 08:59.500 Nortel Networks. 08:59.500 --> 09:02.260 I did their corporate magazines. 09:02.960 --> 09:04.180 I did corporate newsletters. 09:04.280 --> 09:05.260 I did all that kind of stuff. 09:05.500 --> 09:08.240 So I was marketing communications with Sprint 09:08.240 --> 09:09.740 and then Nortel. 09:10.220 --> 09:12.560 Then I freelanced for a long time as a writer, 09:13.580 --> 09:16.460 just in the telecommunications industry. 09:17.280 --> 09:18.980 And I did a brief stint. 09:19.220 --> 09:20.300 I worked a little bit. 09:20.900 --> 09:22.620 Actually, Ted Cruz was one of our clients 09:22.620 --> 09:25.680 when I did a little bit of political consulting 09:25.680 --> 09:30.680 but I just decided political consulting for Rand was enough. 09:31.220 --> 09:32.780 Yeah, well, that's just it. 09:32.940 --> 09:35.280 Because obviously if you have these skills 09:35.280 --> 09:36.320 and you're in communications, 09:36.500 --> 09:39.060 that's valuable for a political candidate. 09:39.540 --> 09:40.640 So would you say like, 09:40.680 --> 09:43.320 did the two of you really work together on the campaigns? 09:44.000 --> 09:46.140 Oh yes, absolutely, absolutely. 09:46.920 --> 09:50.380 I edit all of his speeches, give him ideas, 09:51.620 --> 09:53.640 work together on two books. 09:54.500 --> 09:58.020 Yeah, I mean, I don't know how anyone in politics 09:58.020 --> 10:00.360 does this world if they don't have a spouse 10:00.360 --> 10:04.140 that is extremely into it. 10:04.300 --> 10:06.560 Maybe not everyone has the background I do, 10:06.640 --> 10:13.020 but it definitely helps that, I think I help him a lot. 10:13.360 --> 10:16.540 I do have a background in writing, 10:17.000 --> 10:18.640 in persuasion, in communication. 10:19.320 --> 10:21.840 So sometimes it's hard. 10:21.840 --> 10:24.920 You don't wanna criticize your spouse, 10:25.060 --> 10:27.960 but obviously sometimes I tell him what he does great 10:27.960 --> 10:28.860 and I tell him when I think, 10:29.000 --> 10:31.500 oh, we need to work on that and it's good. 10:31.620 --> 10:34.020 We sound off on each other back and forth 10:34.020 --> 10:35.720 and I think it's helpful. 10:36.320 --> 10:37.580 So where are you from originally? 10:38.620 --> 10:40.920 I'm originally, well, I'm an Air Force brat. 10:41.060 --> 10:43.160 So I grew up all over the world until I was nine. 10:43.520 --> 10:45.200 And when I was nine years old, 10:45.620 --> 10:48.160 my father, they're tired 10:48.860 --> 10:53.240 and we moved from Izmir, Turkey to Russellville, Kentucky. 10:53.960 --> 10:55.160 That's a bit of a change. 10:55.500 --> 10:57.240 Yeah, my brothers and I laugh. 10:57.620 --> 11:00.020 I would bet money that we're the only people 11:00.020 --> 11:02.360 in the history of the entire world 11:02.360 --> 11:05.180 that moved from Izmir, Turkey to Russellville, Kentucky. 11:05.240 --> 11:06.080 Probably so. 11:06.960 --> 11:09.900 And that was in the 1970s. 11:10.680 --> 11:13.580 And so, yeah, it was definitely a culture shock 11:13.580 --> 11:14.880 because I was still very young. 11:14.880 --> 11:18.220 I was, I guess it was 10 when we moved to Russellville. 11:18.720 --> 11:22.000 And so we were in this little town. 11:22.140 --> 11:23.620 It's only about 7,000 people. 11:24.440 --> 11:26.200 And we lived there until, 11:26.660 --> 11:27.940 well, our parents lived there 11:27.940 --> 11:30.660 until they moved to Bowling Green a few years ago, 11:30.680 --> 11:33.180 but I graduated from high school there 11:33.180 --> 11:34.840 and then I went to college out of state 11:34.840 --> 11:37.080 and then lived in Atlanta, then met Rand. 11:37.540 --> 11:41.420 Then we went to Durham for him to North Carolina 11:42.080 --> 11:44.540 for him to complete his residency 11:44.540 --> 11:45.540 in ophthalmology. 11:45.820 --> 11:47.740 So the first three years of our marriage 11:47.740 --> 11:50.500 were at Duke in Durham, North Carolina. 11:51.100 --> 11:52.200 And then when he finished that, 11:52.940 --> 11:55.900 we moved to Kentucky in 1993. 11:57.200 --> 12:01.200 So I really wanted to be close to my mom and dad 12:01.820 --> 12:03.460 when our first son was born. 12:03.680 --> 12:06.680 So we settled here and decided to make this our home. 12:07.500 --> 12:09.840 I was wondering how Rand made it to Kentucky, actually. 12:10.060 --> 12:11.500 Now I know the answer. 12:11.910 --> 12:13.220 But what were your political, 12:13.460 --> 12:16.160 were you politically aware as a young person? 12:17.900 --> 12:18.980 Not particularly. 12:19.640 --> 12:23.260 I would say like a typical college student, 12:23.400 --> 12:25.360 I didn't think too deeply about things. 12:25.660 --> 12:28.520 And I was probably, I'll admit it. 12:28.680 --> 12:30.660 I mean, it was more cool to be left leaning. 12:30.820 --> 12:33.080 And so I was like, oh, yeah, okay. 12:33.580 --> 12:36.420 And was a little bit more left leaning. 12:36.760 --> 12:39.280 And then I got my first job 12:40.440 --> 12:43.140 in Atlanta and I'll never forget this job. 12:43.340 --> 12:46.340 I was working for this really tiny ad agency 12:47.040 --> 12:49.740 and I made $18,000 a year. 12:51.360 --> 12:53.200 And so I did the math. 12:53.420 --> 12:54.420 Well, first I contracted. 12:54.580 --> 12:56.900 So my first job out of college was for a software company 12:56.900 --> 12:57.940 and I was a contractor. 12:58.080 --> 13:00.300 So I would bill them for my hours 13:00.300 --> 13:01.780 and I would get paid that amount. 13:01.920 --> 13:03.840 So I didn't really think too much about taxes. 13:04.640 --> 13:07.320 And I got my, about eight months later, 13:07.360 --> 13:11.020 I got a real job at W2 income 13:11.550 --> 13:13.640 and they said, you're gonna pay you $18,000. 13:13.720 --> 13:14.640 I'm like, oh, that's not bad. 13:14.880 --> 13:20.300 I typical English major, I did $18,000 divided by 12, 13:20.600 --> 13:21.400 divided by two. 13:21.480 --> 13:23.300 So I figured out what I would be making. 13:23.740 --> 13:24.280 That's fine. 13:24.740 --> 13:25.560 Get my first paycheck. 13:26.100 --> 13:28.020 It's a lot less than what I'll pay off. 13:28.660 --> 13:31.580 And I'm like, you know, I'm 22 years old 13:31.580 --> 13:35.400 and I walk in and knock on the door of our person 13:35.400 --> 13:37.340 that did the payroll and I'm like, I'm sorry. 13:37.520 --> 13:38.440 I still remember her name. 13:38.540 --> 13:39.880 She was super Southern from Atlanta. 13:40.080 --> 13:41.960 I said, May, I'm so sorry, 13:42.000 --> 13:44.700 but they've made a mistake on my paycheck. 13:45.340 --> 13:45.700 Oh, geez. 13:46.100 --> 13:47.420 And she died laughing. 13:48.000 --> 13:48.580 I'm showing it. 13:48.680 --> 13:52.280 She said, honey, have you never heard of FACA? 13:52.900 --> 13:56.380 And I'm like, FACA, what is FACA? 13:56.760 --> 13:57.940 She's like, FACA. 13:58.160 --> 14:00.540 She was saying FACA, but it sounded like FACA. 14:00.540 --> 14:02.340 She said, honey, that's your taxes. 14:02.840 --> 14:04.440 And I'm like, oh my God, 14:04.540 --> 14:08.240 if they're taking this much from me at $18,000 a year. 14:08.720 --> 14:11.280 So yeah, I voted Republican the very next one. 14:11.940 --> 14:13.860 So a lot of times people say that, 14:13.900 --> 14:15.100 that you get your first paycheck 14:15.100 --> 14:17.080 and it changes you politically 14:17.080 --> 14:18.480 and you're living proof of that. 14:18.720 --> 14:19.060 Yes. 14:19.460 --> 14:22.100 It's like, if you're taking this much from everyone, 14:22.100 --> 14:25.480 including someone who's making $18,000 a year, 14:26.080 --> 14:27.920 why are we out of money all the time? 14:28.180 --> 14:30.040 Why can't we balance our budgets? 14:30.040 --> 14:31.220 Why are we in debt? 14:32.180 --> 14:35.040 Unfortunately, my years of voting Republican 14:35.040 --> 14:36.400 haven't changed anything. 14:37.320 --> 14:40.140 Well, okay, that's a whole separate conversation. 14:41.480 --> 14:43.080 I couldn't agree with you more, 14:43.240 --> 14:45.960 but so in other words, when you met Rand, 14:46.120 --> 14:49.260 you were at least approximately of like mind 14:49.260 --> 14:50.160 on political questions. 14:50.160 --> 14:51.640 Yeah, I was leaning, yeah, I was definitely, 14:51.820 --> 14:53.460 definitely leaning more right. 14:53.700 --> 14:58.640 And he was obviously already extremely knowledgeable 14:59.420 --> 15:02.380 and his political beliefs being the son of Ron Paul. 15:03.180 --> 15:04.720 And I loved hearing about it. 15:04.840 --> 15:06.080 I mean, I learned a lot from 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first year. 18:12.040 --> 18:13.340 Terms apply on covered repairs. 18:14.020 --> 18:19.060 I assume the 2010 Senate campaign kicked off in 2009. 18:19.780 --> 18:20.380 Yes. 18:20.880 --> 18:21.020 Okay. 18:21.600 --> 18:23.440 So how old were your children then? 18:24.720 --> 18:33.240 They were 11, no, 10, 13 and 16. 18:33.840 --> 18:34.220 Okay. 18:34.800 --> 18:38.020 So this is maybe none of my business 18:38.020 --> 18:40.840 but what was the conversation like with them? 18:41.220 --> 18:43.100 Because of course there's something very glamorous 18:43.100 --> 18:44.400 about running for the US Senate 18:44.700 --> 18:45.720 but at the same time, 18:45.740 --> 18:48.220 there's something that they have to be aware 18:48.220 --> 18:50.060 for the unbelievable nastiness, 18:50.740 --> 18:53.100 the attention of sometimes unwanted. 18:53.740 --> 18:55.340 So did you guys prep them for this? 18:56.220 --> 18:59.060 We did but being the ages that they were, 18:59.760 --> 19:01.400 I think they were kind of like, 19:01.520 --> 19:05.840 oh, I don't think they really understood the spotlight 19:06.360 --> 19:08.660 as much as it really is. 19:10.380 --> 19:13.700 I would say though they were all so into their own lives. 19:13.760 --> 19:14.980 It was all sort of like, okay, 19:15.180 --> 19:17.740 like our youngest was really excited about it 19:17.740 --> 19:19.980 he even after Ren was elected, 19:20.000 --> 19:22.140 he was always interested in going up to DC. 19:22.640 --> 19:23.260 He went to several, 19:23.740 --> 19:25.300 he ended up going to high school in DC. 19:26.420 --> 19:28.240 And so he was into it. 19:28.460 --> 19:29.960 Our middle was all about like, 19:30.100 --> 19:31.380 I'm fine with whatever you do 19:31.380 --> 19:33.460 as long as I don't have to change high schools. 19:33.800 --> 19:36.360 He was already making the soccer team, 19:36.800 --> 19:38.940 varsity soccer team for his freshman year. 19:39.000 --> 19:42.620 And he was like, I don't wanna move my high school 19:42.620 --> 19:45.160 and we promised him that he wouldn't have to do that. 19:45.260 --> 19:46.880 So that was his concern. 19:46.880 --> 19:48.580 And our oldest was on his way to college. 19:48.580 --> 19:50.700 So we just kind of, as a family, 19:50.840 --> 19:52.700 they were excited about it. 19:52.840 --> 19:55.160 And it's, it is what it is. 19:55.260 --> 19:56.420 You get on that roller coaster 19:56.420 --> 19:58.620 and you have to take the ups and the downs. 19:59.360 --> 20:00.980 But there are a lot of downs. 20:01.200 --> 20:02.840 I don't mean to sound like a downer, 20:02.880 --> 20:04.720 but I remember years ago, 20:05.120 --> 20:09.040 during the GOP presidential campaigns of Dr. Ron Paul, 20:09.640 --> 20:10.540 I would on Facebook, 20:11.120 --> 20:13.140 Carol Paul used to be much, much more active. 20:13.780 --> 20:16.900 And you would see she would get hoppin' mad 20:16.900 --> 20:19.180 when somebody would say something untrue 20:19.180 --> 20:21.000 about her husband or unkind about her husband. 20:21.060 --> 20:22.360 It just drove her crazy. 20:23.060 --> 20:26.180 It was one thing for him to be a congressman 20:26.180 --> 20:29.460 who probably wasn't the most famous congressman. 20:29.580 --> 20:30.600 You can get away with a lot 20:30.600 --> 20:32.480 and nothing really happens to you. 20:32.560 --> 20:33.420 But you run for president 20:33.420 --> 20:35.960 and Rudy Giuliani attacks you on TV. 20:36.980 --> 20:38.800 That was a whole different kind of life. 20:39.060 --> 20:42.040 And now, even since just then, that was 2008, 20:42.580 --> 20:44.660 but just in the 18 years since then, 20:44.740 --> 20:48.160 the nastiness has gotten so much worse. 20:48.980 --> 20:52.300 I mean, I don't know how you endure it, honestly. 20:52.600 --> 20:53.700 I don't know how you endure it. 20:54.460 --> 20:57.840 Well, you sort of, you know, you get used to it, I guess. 20:58.160 --> 20:59.360 You can tune it out. 20:59.680 --> 21:03.280 I mean, I do, yes, some of it does affect you. 21:03.680 --> 21:09.300 And sometimes, not from the random people on Twitter, 21:09.540 --> 21:11.400 I don't, that really doesn't affect me. 21:11.400 --> 21:13.880 But, you know, there are people that you know, actually, 21:13.960 --> 21:17.060 people in media who suddenly will turn on you 21:17.060 --> 21:18.260 or say things that are untrue. 21:18.340 --> 21:19.460 And that does hurt. 21:19.800 --> 21:22.380 But, you know, you just gotta keep going. 21:22.760 --> 21:23.540 You just gotta keep going. 21:24.640 --> 21:27.400 I think you have to be made of a certain kind of stuff 21:27.400 --> 21:28.720 to be able to withstand it. 21:29.100 --> 21:30.620 Because Rand takes it from all sides. 21:30.720 --> 21:32.560 I mean, it's one thing your Republican, 21:32.760 --> 21:34.020 the Democrats, don't like you. 21:34.440 --> 21:36.500 Rand is a much more complicated case 21:36.500 --> 21:39.660 where he speaks his mind in all situations. 21:40.080 --> 21:42.060 And in principle, everybody loves that. 21:42.240 --> 21:44.080 In principle, that's what we want. 21:44.260 --> 21:45.160 In practice, it isn't. 21:45.460 --> 21:46.800 Yeah, they really don't like it. 21:46.920 --> 21:48.540 They don't like it when their own flaws 21:48.540 --> 21:50.760 and their own hypocrisies are revealed. 21:51.100 --> 21:52.520 And we're seeing that right now. 21:53.020 --> 21:53.860 And that is harder. 21:54.020 --> 21:55.260 I will say that is harder. 21:55.420 --> 21:56.960 It's always harder to be attacked 21:56.960 --> 22:01.540 by your erstwhile friends or your so-called friends. 22:01.800 --> 22:03.760 And then suddenly, you know, 22:03.980 --> 22:07.820 they're calling you out just because you have revealed 22:07.820 --> 22:10.840 their own hypocrisy or their own, 22:13.340 --> 22:15.440 when they're straying from the values 22:15.440 --> 22:18.200 and the principles that they claim to represent. 22:19.020 --> 22:19.920 People don't like that. 22:20.400 --> 22:22.220 All right, now look, I gotta ask you a question 22:22.220 --> 22:24.120 that you don't want me to ask, 22:24.460 --> 22:25.640 but I have to ask it. 22:26.060 --> 22:27.720 You've talked about it a million times. 22:28.280 --> 22:29.600 It's a terrible memory, 22:29.920 --> 22:32.520 but I would be a terrible interview if I didn't ask you. 22:32.920 --> 22:36.620 And that, of course, is the terrible episode 22:36.620 --> 22:38.700 in the yard in 2016. 22:40.980 --> 22:45.620 To me, the response to that over the years is, 22:46.380 --> 22:47.520 well, it's easy for me to say, 22:47.560 --> 22:48.760 I didn't endure the physical pain. 22:48.840 --> 22:50.300 It's almost worse than the physical pain. 22:50.580 --> 22:53.160 The physical pain sounds unbearable, 22:53.340 --> 22:56.360 but that we're living in a society, 22:56.520 --> 22:58.300 you know, let me start this again. 22:58.740 --> 23:00.440 In the 1950s, there was a, 23:00.500 --> 23:01.860 I bring this show up all the time, 23:01.860 --> 23:03.960 everybody's sick and tired of hearing about it from me, 23:04.260 --> 23:07.600 but the 1950s is a TV show called What's My Line? 23:08.480 --> 23:11.220 And the object was the panel had to guess 23:11.220 --> 23:13.020 the occupation of the contestant 23:13.020 --> 23:14.640 by asking yes or no questions. 23:15.140 --> 23:18.900 And it's the 1950s, so everyone is smartly dressed, 23:19.620 --> 23:23.300 debonair, sophisticated, smart, funny, witty, clever, 23:24.040 --> 23:24.840 you know, the exact opposite 23:24.840 --> 23:26.040 of what a panel would be today, 23:26.200 --> 23:28.560 you know, bluish, crass, you know? 23:28.820 --> 23:31.380 So you get a glimpse in these old little shows, 23:31.380 --> 23:33.780 you get a glimpse into the old America. 23:34.960 --> 23:38.460 And it would have been inconceivable 23:39.000 --> 23:40.800 if something like that had happened then, 23:40.920 --> 23:42.540 which even something like that happening 23:42.540 --> 23:43.420 would have been inconceivable, 23:43.420 --> 23:44.380 but if it did happen, 23:44.940 --> 23:46.880 you couldn't imagine anybody on that panel, 23:46.940 --> 23:48.180 and I'm sure they leaned left 23:48.180 --> 23:50.720 by the standards of the 1950s 23:50.720 --> 23:54.160 who would have engaged in this crass behavior 23:54.600 --> 23:56.400 in effect, cheering on the attack. 23:56.480 --> 23:57.880 That would have been unthinkable. 23:58.140 --> 24:00.580 We live in a completely different America 24:00.580 --> 24:04.720 and that in particular is what disturbs me so much about this. 24:05.640 --> 24:10.200 Yeah, no, it's that's probably the one area 24:10.200 --> 24:12.220 when you say, does this bother you? 24:12.320 --> 24:16.500 Ugly comments, that has bothered me a lot, you know, 24:16.560 --> 24:19.860 to see, you know, someone you love, 24:20.100 --> 24:22.700 your family member, your husband suffer 24:22.700 --> 24:26.080 extreme, extreme physical pain 24:26.080 --> 24:28.200 and suffering for over a year 24:28.660 --> 24:30.900 and then have people laugh at it 24:30.900 --> 24:34.300 or dismiss it or joke about it or lie about it. 24:34.340 --> 24:35.640 It's constantly lied about. 24:35.980 --> 24:39.700 I mean, that is the most horrible thing about it all 24:39.700 --> 24:43.380 is not only are people so cruel and so callous, 24:43.400 --> 24:46.540 but that they twist it for their own political means. 24:47.000 --> 24:50.160 I mean, this case in, you know, 24:50.220 --> 24:51.220 when it went to trial, 24:51.500 --> 24:54.440 all of that information is readily available 24:54.440 --> 24:56.600 to any journalist who wants to look at it. 24:57.140 --> 24:59.300 This man, they love to call in the neighbor 24:59.300 --> 25:02.200 and that they were quote unquote, that it was a fight, 25:02.260 --> 25:03.900 which was not at all 25:03.900 --> 25:07.560 and that they were having some kind of yard dispute, 25:08.400 --> 25:09.360 total lie. 25:10.600 --> 25:13.460 This person who, we live on almost three acres 25:13.460 --> 25:16.300 so it's not like we can really see his house for my hours 25:17.540 --> 25:20.780 and this person admitted to the police, 25:21.120 --> 25:22.680 they're like, why did you attack Rand? 25:23.280 --> 25:24.700 Oh well, yard waste, 25:24.840 --> 25:26.340 we were having an argument over yard waste. 25:26.340 --> 25:27.380 When did you talk to him? 25:27.660 --> 25:28.560 I haven't talked to him. 25:28.600 --> 25:30.420 He doesn't talk to anybody, this guy said. 25:30.940 --> 25:33.320 They're like, so he admitted in court 25:33.320 --> 25:37.460 that he had not spoken to Rand in nearly seven years. 25:38.020 --> 25:40.700 Rand never had any difficulty with this person. 25:40.820 --> 25:43.840 Their daughter used to babysit for my kids. 25:44.100 --> 25:45.120 I liked his wife. 25:45.700 --> 25:50.780 He was a sad, mentally disturbed, I believe. 25:50.940 --> 25:52.120 I believe he went on steroids. 25:52.360 --> 25:54.160 His wife left him, his kids left him. 25:54.160 --> 25:55.700 He had lived in that house alone 25:56.180 --> 25:58.900 for almost seven or eight years. 25:59.280 --> 26:01.720 I think he was left leaning, 26:01.960 --> 26:03.500 had all this hatred of Trump. 26:04.000 --> 26:07.200 But if he had been convicted of assaulting 26:07.580 --> 26:10.500 a member of Congress for political reasons, 26:11.020 --> 26:13.200 it would have been 10 to 20 years in prison. 26:13.880 --> 26:16.100 And the journalist never asked why suddenly 26:16.100 --> 26:18.680 this person who is admitted, 26:18.900 --> 26:20.040 he hadn't spoken to Rand, 26:20.180 --> 26:22.520 hadn't complained about us in any way 26:22.520 --> 26:24.860 to the Homeowners Association, nothing. 26:25.400 --> 26:28.600 That suddenly he violently attacks Rand, 26:28.820 --> 26:32.380 runs down a hill, slams into him from behind, 26:32.600 --> 26:34.240 breaking his ribs, and then he says, 26:34.380 --> 26:37.560 oh, it's because he had limbs in his lawn. 26:38.140 --> 26:40.260 And the media repeats it over and over again. 26:40.420 --> 26:42.700 All the headlines were Rand Paul, 26:43.020 --> 26:44.500 less than perfect neighbor. 26:44.780 --> 26:46.620 Rand Paul has a messy yard. 26:47.280 --> 26:48.660 Meanwhile, it's like, of course, 26:48.740 --> 26:50.620 he's gonna come up with some reason 26:50.620 --> 26:52.500 other than he hates Rand Paul politically. 26:52.560 --> 26:53.640 I know, hello. 26:54.100 --> 26:56.840 Because he went from looking at a 10-year sentence 26:56.840 --> 26:59.460 to I think eventually he only got like nine months. 27:01.100 --> 27:02.920 But no journalist said that. 27:03.020 --> 27:06.140 They literally took, even though we put out 27:06.140 --> 27:07.820 press releases, we talked to the media, 27:07.820 --> 27:09.540 we said, look, we haven't talked to this guy. 27:09.580 --> 27:11.460 Rand has never had words with this guy. 27:11.800 --> 27:13.360 This guy's never emailed Rand. 27:13.520 --> 27:15.380 This guy's never called Rand or Kelly 27:15.380 --> 27:16.700 or the Homeowners Association. 27:17.320 --> 27:20.580 Nothing, but they took it as gospel, 27:21.200 --> 27:23.860 what the felon, what the assaulter, 27:24.020 --> 27:26.380 what the evil person did. 27:26.740 --> 27:30.580 And that has probably made me lose my faith 27:30.580 --> 27:32.720 in our media more than anything. 27:33.060 --> 27:36.760 It's because they allowed that to be the narrative 27:36.760 --> 27:38.620 and they allowed that to be, quote unquote, 27:38.900 --> 27:41.620 the truth that everyone laughs about it 27:41.620 --> 27:44.820 and acts like Rand wasn't doing the right yard work 27:44.820 --> 27:46.040 and he got in a fight with someone. 27:46.040 --> 27:48.380 That's not what happened at all. 27:48.620 --> 27:51.100 But that is such a pervasive lie 27:51.580 --> 27:55.980 that it makes people be so cavalier about joking, 27:56.220 --> 27:58.380 like, ha ha, he got what he deserved or whatever. 27:58.580 --> 27:59.400 And it's just sick. 27:59.640 --> 28:02.380 It is just sickens me to my very core 28:02.840 --> 28:06.760 when I hear anyone say that or make light of it. 28:07.060 --> 28:10.000 But it also really angers me about the media 28:10.000 --> 28:12.660 because the media pushed that narrative too. 28:12.800 --> 28:15.020 It's like, wow, you hate this guy 28:15.020 --> 28:17.620 who only just wants to stand up for the Constitution, 28:18.080 --> 28:20.920 who's one of the best people up there 28:21.480 --> 28:24.440 and you allow this complete lie 28:25.380 --> 28:27.740 about his assault to go forward. 28:28.120 --> 28:28.400 Why? 28:28.880 --> 28:29.980 Why would they do that? 28:30.120 --> 28:31.440 I don't understand it. 28:32.400 --> 28:35.140 Well, it all, of course, got dredged up again recently 28:35.140 --> 28:37.880 because of the nomination of Senator Mullen 28:38.560 --> 28:43.620 for Homeland Security and Rand's statement there. 28:44.920 --> 28:46.140 I watched that. 28:46.280 --> 28:47.620 I made all my kids watch it, 28:48.100 --> 28:50.400 in which he described in detail, 28:50.540 --> 28:52.180 and shame on me for not having known 28:52.740 --> 28:55.920 just how severe the situation had been for him. 28:56.420 --> 29:00.500 But he described that and then demanded that this man 29:01.020 --> 29:02.140 justify his remarks, 29:02.240 --> 29:04.640 that I can understand why Rand Paul's neighbor 29:05.260 --> 29:06.680 would have assaulted him in that way. 29:06.820 --> 29:09.280 I mean, so I thought, 29:09.420 --> 29:10.780 well, this is a home run for Rand. 29:10.940 --> 29:11.880 I mean, that's absolutely fantastic. 29:12.440 --> 29:15.340 And then I forgot how degraded the Republican Party is 29:15.340 --> 29:16.800 or a lot of Republican voters. 29:17.140 --> 29:17.940 And they're all saying, 29:17.960 --> 29:19.820 oh, Rand Paul's got to get over it and move on. 29:20.280 --> 29:21.980 If AOC had said, 29:22.840 --> 29:25.480 I can understand why somebody shot Donald Trump 29:26.020 --> 29:27.520 and Trump got upset about that, 29:27.700 --> 29:28.580 would they say to Trump, 29:28.700 --> 29:30.480 you've got to get over that, man, move on. 29:30.760 --> 29:32.700 They have no principles at all. 29:32.900 --> 29:34.560 Zero. Zero. 29:35.140 --> 29:37.840 It is, yeah, that really sickened me. 29:38.160 --> 29:40.060 And frankly, it sickens me 29:40.060 --> 29:41.420 that we have the head of DHS, 29:42.800 --> 29:44.780 a man who tried to get in the fight, 29:45.360 --> 29:47.620 literally tried to jump over the dais 29:47.620 --> 29:50.600 and get in a fist fight with someone in a Senate hearing 29:51.020 --> 29:52.940 and never apologized for that, 29:53.280 --> 29:55.160 went on all the news shows 29:55.160 --> 29:58.100 and tried to act like a big, tough cowboy 29:58.100 --> 30:00.840 saying, sometimes people need to get punched in the face. 30:01.220 --> 30:03.860 I mean, some of his quotes just blow me away 30:03.860 --> 30:05.320 and Rand showed them and the hearing 30:05.320 --> 30:06.780 and everybody's just kind of like, whatever. 30:07.180 --> 30:08.480 Here's a man who said sometimes 30:08.480 --> 30:10.160 people need to get punched in the face. 30:10.320 --> 30:12.880 Or he also said, I like to bite 30:12.880 --> 30:15.200 and I don't care where I bite people. 30:15.520 --> 30:18.160 It's like, we have an entire agency now 30:18.160 --> 30:22.960 that has been, you know, riddled with problems, 30:23.100 --> 30:25.940 riddled with problems with overuse of force. 30:26.500 --> 30:28.300 This is why Kristi Noem left. 30:28.620 --> 30:29.840 And then who do we put in? 30:30.120 --> 30:31.640 Someone who says he likes to bite 30:31.640 --> 30:35.720 and someone who is so dumb, literally so dumb 30:35.720 --> 30:38.000 that he thinks that dueling still exists. 30:38.000 --> 30:39.480 He's using that as an example. 30:39.740 --> 30:41.660 Oh, well, this is how we solve problems. 30:42.380 --> 30:44.200 Dueling and caning and Rand's like, 30:44.280 --> 30:46.940 remember dueling's been illegal for 170 years 30:46.940 --> 30:48.740 and he, the dumb look on his face. 30:48.900 --> 30:51.120 I mean, this man is a neanderthal. 30:51.620 --> 30:54.980 So I'm not surprised he decided to yuck it up 30:54.980 --> 30:57.800 and make a big joke about his colleague 30:58.280 --> 31:00.980 and don't ever forget why he said that too. 31:01.640 --> 31:03.800 I mean, he was being asked by the media 31:04.470 --> 31:08.620 why he voted against an additional, 31:09.700 --> 31:12.000 he voted against Rand's amendment 31:12.390 --> 31:16.200 to stop giving an additional $5 billion 31:17.250 --> 31:18.820 in refugee welfare. 31:19.220 --> 31:21.020 I mean, the last couple of months 31:21.020 --> 31:23.080 through brave journalists like Nick Shirley, 31:23.340 --> 31:26.920 we have seen the incredible levels of fraud 31:27.210 --> 31:30.020 that's being perpetrated against the American taxpayer 31:30.550 --> 31:32.680 by these refugee communities, 31:32.680 --> 31:34.140 the Somalis in particular, 31:34.980 --> 31:37.120 the 9 billion that we know of 31:37.120 --> 31:39.340 and then we're seeing all of these fake daycares 31:39.340 --> 31:40.360 and fake hospice. 31:40.780 --> 31:42.200 So, and what does the U.S. Senate do? 31:42.520 --> 31:44.320 It hands them another 5 billion. 31:44.540 --> 31:46.320 Rand got in there, tried to stop it, 31:46.920 --> 31:48.860 literally carved out this amendment said, 31:49.100 --> 31:51.240 we can do something about this, right? 31:51.380 --> 31:53.380 Let's not send an additional 5 billion. 31:53.700 --> 31:57.300 And then what are all these fake MAGA Republican? 31:57.560 --> 31:58.760 They say they're all MAGA 31:58.760 --> 32:00.240 and yet they're the worst 32:00.240 --> 32:02.180 in terms of appropriating spending 32:02.840 --> 32:05.200 and he voted against Rand's amendment 32:05.200 --> 32:09.740 and Rand had called out several of the Republicans that did. 32:09.880 --> 32:11.060 He's like, it wasn't Democrats 32:11.060 --> 32:13.260 that destroyed his amendment, it was Republicans. 32:13.860 --> 32:15.180 So when he's asked by the media, 32:15.760 --> 32:18.320 he can't defend his own position and what does he do? 32:18.620 --> 32:21.480 He resorts to childish juvenile name calling 32:21.880 --> 32:24.140 and then to add to that says, ha, ha, 32:24.380 --> 32:25.800 I'm glad he got assaulted 32:25.800 --> 32:28.180 or I just, you know, says I understand 32:28.180 --> 32:30.560 which basically means he justifies it. 32:30.700 --> 32:34.840 He justifies violence because he is a violent man. 32:35.260 --> 32:37.460 He's a freaking Neanderthal. 32:37.860 --> 32:39.780 Here with Tom Woods here with a quick tip 32:39.780 --> 32:40.820 for small business owners. 32:40.980 --> 32:42.640 If your business isn't showing up online, 32:43.040 --> 32:44.780 your competitors are getting the leads 32:44.780 --> 32:46.060 and you're missing out. 32:46.440 --> 32:48.600 That's where persist SEO comes in. 32:48.960 --> 32:50.160 For over 15 years, 32:50.300 --> 32:52.880 they've been helping local businesses grow through SEO, 32:53.320 --> 32:54.920 paid ads and the latest 32:54.920 --> 32:56.880 in AI powered search optimization. 32:56.880 --> 33:00.400 So you stay visible and competitive in the digital age. 33:00.580 --> 33:02.100 Whether you're in home services, 33:02.340 --> 33:03.580 legal or healthcare, 33:04.100 --> 33:06.680 persist SEO delivers real results 33:06.680 --> 33:09.160 without locking you into long-term contracts 33:09.160 --> 33:11.060 or overwhelming you with tech jargon. 33:11.560 --> 33:13.940 Visit IneedSEO.help 33:14.160 --> 33:18.340 or call 770-580-3736 33:18.640 --> 33:20.580 to schedule your free consultation. 33:21.140 --> 33:23.480 That's IneedSEO.help. 33:24.040 --> 33:26.860 Easy to remember, powerful for your small business. 33:28.160 --> 33:29.380 But yet, isn't it funny? 33:29.520 --> 33:30.660 He's got the tough guy routine, 33:30.760 --> 33:32.240 but when it comes time to vote on something, 33:32.340 --> 33:32.800 he's a mouse. 33:33.380 --> 33:35.700 This is the simplest thing to vote on in the world. 33:36.040 --> 33:38.760 Well, why would you hesitate on this? 33:39.800 --> 33:41.240 Right, I have no idea. 33:41.740 --> 33:42.880 I forget what he said. 33:43.040 --> 33:44.400 Oh, the White House didn't want us to. 33:44.520 --> 33:45.940 Well, actually, Rand had talked to Trump 33:45.940 --> 33:46.740 about that amendment. 33:46.980 --> 33:49.420 And Rand's like, yeah, he was for it. 33:49.540 --> 33:50.400 So I don't know. 33:50.740 --> 33:52.640 They all run cover for each other. 33:52.640 --> 33:56.880 They all sort of give all of these word salad responses 33:56.880 --> 34:00.600 about why we can't stop all this insane spending 34:00.600 --> 34:02.920 and none of it makes sense and they know it. 34:03.080 --> 34:05.320 So I think he was just trying to change the subject 34:05.320 --> 34:08.980 by making this attack on Rand personally. 34:10.180 --> 34:11.420 And it was disgusting. 34:11.840 --> 34:13.060 It was absolutely disgusting. 34:13.660 --> 34:15.640 And I think he's a disgusting person. 34:16.180 --> 34:18.640 I'm not seeking to put you on the spot with this 34:18.640 --> 34:22.040 because I would ask Rand himself this kind of question. 34:22.560 --> 34:25.880 So I'm not looking into what's the state of Rand's relationship 34:25.880 --> 34:27.160 with the president, nothing like that. 34:27.180 --> 34:28.060 That's a separate thing. 34:28.320 --> 34:29.380 But have you met Trump? 34:29.820 --> 34:30.960 And if so, what was your impression? 34:31.760 --> 34:33.960 Yes, I've met Donald Trump many, many times. 34:34.700 --> 34:36.040 And I've always liked him. 34:36.420 --> 34:37.700 The same as Rand always says, 34:37.820 --> 34:41.400 the first time he met Donald was before Donald 34:41.400 --> 34:42.460 was running for president. 34:42.900 --> 34:44.400 Rand had reached out to him. 34:44.520 --> 34:46.360 Rand was doing a medical mission trip 34:46.360 --> 34:48.900 to do eye surgery in Guatemala. 34:49.300 --> 34:52.080 And he reached out to Donald Trump to raise funds 34:52.080 --> 34:54.500 for this medical mission trip. 34:54.920 --> 34:58.520 And Donald wrote him a $10,000 check 34:58.520 --> 34:59.900 and then said, hey, do you want to play golf? 34:59.980 --> 35:01.000 And they played golf together. 35:01.320 --> 35:07.240 And Rand said, he was very charming and engaging 35:07.240 --> 35:09.880 and friendly and everyone liked him 35:09.880 --> 35:11.620 and he had a great time with them. 35:11.680 --> 35:13.620 And I think that's been his experience 35:13.620 --> 35:16.160 every time with Trump and mine as well. 35:16.280 --> 35:17.640 I've met him many, many times. 35:17.640 --> 35:21.080 And he's personally a very warm person. 35:21.200 --> 35:24.780 And I always felt like he was being so unfairly attacked 35:25.480 --> 35:26.660 by the media. 35:26.980 --> 35:28.980 I voted for him three times. 35:30.040 --> 35:33.480 But no, I don't like some of the things we're doing now. 35:34.020 --> 35:37.100 But in person, Trump is very different than he is 35:37.900 --> 35:39.340 than he comes off. 35:40.020 --> 35:42.080 Yeah, that's the impression I've gotten 35:42.080 --> 35:43.500 from pretty much everybody. 35:44.460 --> 35:45.840 I'm going back again, 35:45.860 --> 35:50.520 because I have another curiosity informed question here. 35:50.940 --> 35:53.440 What was it like joining the Paul family? 35:53.880 --> 35:56.160 Because that's one interesting family, isn't it? 35:56.560 --> 35:58.320 Yeah, that is the best. 35:58.740 --> 36:00.400 I mean, I love the Pauls so much. 36:00.600 --> 36:01.160 Oh my gosh. 36:01.840 --> 36:04.920 I just run and Carol are amazing in-laws. 36:05.740 --> 36:07.500 What was it like meeting them for the first time? 36:08.500 --> 36:10.380 It was fun. 36:10.980 --> 36:12.340 It's a huge family, right? 36:12.340 --> 36:13.560 So Rand's been a five. 36:14.380 --> 36:18.140 His sister Lori, who sadly passed away about five years ago, 36:18.160 --> 36:23.120 but she has five children and his sister Joy has six children. 36:23.340 --> 36:25.680 So my kids have cousins by the dozens. 36:26.000 --> 36:28.180 Literally, there are two dozen of them down there. 36:28.280 --> 36:30.460 And now there's like the whole generation of great-grands. 36:30.860 --> 36:32.360 But the first time I met them, 36:33.080 --> 36:35.380 I was a little intimidated, to be honest, 36:36.260 --> 36:38.880 when we were engaged because his dad, 36:39.380 --> 36:43.480 I'd never really met anyone that had been in Congress before. 36:43.940 --> 36:46.440 And so I was a little bit like, wow, 36:46.760 --> 36:50.440 and they're the most warmhearted, completely humble, 36:52.000 --> 36:53.120 natural people. 36:53.560 --> 36:55.440 I just fell in love with them immediately 36:55.440 --> 36:59.600 and with Rand's siblings, who I'm very, very close to. 36:59.900 --> 37:02.560 And we never miss a Paul family Christmas 37:02.560 --> 37:03.580 because it's the best. 37:03.720 --> 37:05.920 It's literally like 50 people. 37:06.380 --> 37:07.580 I mean, I'm not kidding. 37:07.580 --> 37:09.300 And that is just immediate family 37:09.300 --> 37:11.060 because everyone has so many kids 37:11.060 --> 37:13.900 and there's just tons of great food. 37:14.220 --> 37:16.600 Carol's always large and in charge in the kitchen 37:16.600 --> 37:18.660 and everyone's cooking together. 37:19.180 --> 37:21.260 And I always say the great thing about a big family 37:21.260 --> 37:23.960 like that is no matter what you're into, 37:24.040 --> 37:25.380 there's like somebody doing it, right? 37:25.500 --> 37:28.360 So there'll be a big card table with people doing a puzzle. 37:28.900 --> 37:31.140 There'll be people outside playing basketball. 37:31.780 --> 37:35.960 There'll be some people that have set up a pickleball game 37:35.960 --> 37:37.100 going in the driveway. 37:38.160 --> 37:41.200 There's somebody else playing with all the babies 37:41.200 --> 37:43.400 and there's always tons of, there's always a baby, 37:43.620 --> 37:44.760 there's always a bunch of toddlers. 37:44.980 --> 37:50.000 And it's just an amazing family, amazing, amazing family. 37:50.320 --> 37:54.340 I just, I love, and I'm so close to all of Rand's siblings 37:54.340 --> 37:57.280 and our nieces and nephews that are now, 37:57.960 --> 38:00.900 mostly in their 20s and 30s. 38:01.000 --> 38:03.680 And then there's a whole new crop of grand. 38:03.680 --> 38:06.160 So for Ron's 90th birthday, 38:06.260 --> 38:08.220 where we were all down there in August, 38:08.860 --> 38:11.460 was really fun because we got to bring our new grandson 38:11.460 --> 38:15.080 down there and my daughter-in-law made matching 38:15.080 --> 38:19.520 in the fed hats for our son and our grandson 38:20.020 --> 38:21.720 and for Ron and Rand. 38:22.500 --> 38:25.680 And so that was really fun. 38:25.820 --> 38:27.720 We just had a great big family party 38:27.720 --> 38:29.960 and took a huge picture. 38:30.200 --> 38:31.620 I'll send it to you for the show 38:31.620 --> 38:34.940 of all the extended Paul family under the Liberty tree 38:34.940 --> 38:36.300 in the Paul's front yard. 38:37.300 --> 38:39.480 So it's, it's, they're great people. 38:39.800 --> 38:41.920 And, you know, Ron always takes the time 38:41.920 --> 38:44.900 to sit and talk to, to anybody, any of the grands, 38:45.360 --> 38:48.460 any of the great grands about what he does 38:48.460 --> 38:49.900 and what he believes. 38:51.220 --> 38:54.760 He's just an incredible, incredible man. 38:56.040 --> 38:59.020 Now this question though is gonna sound like 38:59.880 --> 39:02.220 Whoopi Goldberg interviewing Hillary Clinton. 39:02.360 --> 39:03.440 It is such a softball. 39:03.800 --> 39:06.900 Like it's such a softball, but I have to ask it. 39:07.100 --> 39:09.840 What would you say is a misconception 39:10.270 --> 39:12.000 about your husband that drives you crazy 39:12.000 --> 39:13.580 and you wish people knew him better 39:13.580 --> 39:14.900 so they wouldn't have that misconception? 39:16.240 --> 39:17.220 Oh gosh. 39:18.180 --> 39:21.240 Well, I think that people think that Rand is, 39:23.080 --> 39:27.100 I don't know that he doesn't have a sense of humor 39:27.100 --> 39:29.680 or I don't know, I've heard him described 39:29.680 --> 39:32.840 as being sort of like dour, which I don't really get that. 39:32.980 --> 39:36.320 I mean, I think that he has an amazing sense of humor 39:36.320 --> 39:41.580 and he has tons of friends and people love his stories 39:42.400 --> 39:46.340 and he's also, he doesn't really like to argue very much. 39:46.800 --> 39:48.480 He'll sit and listen to it. 39:49.100 --> 39:51.780 Frankly, if we get into it with like somebody 39:51.780 --> 39:53.120 that has a different point of view, 39:53.200 --> 39:56.680 I'm the one that usually gets a little bit more feisty 39:56.680 --> 39:59.420 or irritable if someone is making a point 39:59.420 --> 40:00.980 that I think is way off. 40:01.180 --> 40:04.020 And Rand is extremely, he's extremely calm. 40:04.140 --> 40:07.560 He always wants to like listen to the other person's side 40:07.560 --> 40:10.340 and he'll almost like repeat it back to them. 40:10.540 --> 40:12.960 He does that sort of, I think it's Ben Franklin 40:12.960 --> 40:16.040 that had that admonition that you need to always 40:16.040 --> 40:17.720 like really take a step back 40:17.720 --> 40:20.340 and almost repeat the other person's point of view 40:20.340 --> 40:21.960 and try to learn from it. 40:22.040 --> 40:23.640 And Rand is very much like that. 40:23.640 --> 40:26.680 He doesn't like a lot of political back and forth. 40:27.860 --> 40:30.420 When he's with friends or family, 40:30.640 --> 40:33.900 he always just kinda wants to understand 40:33.900 --> 40:35.420 that other person's point of view. 40:36.120 --> 40:38.720 Tell us about the children's books you have forthcoming. 40:39.300 --> 40:41.260 I'm so excited about those. 40:41.660 --> 40:45.840 They're inspired by our grandson, Pierce Ashby-Paul. 40:46.180 --> 40:48.700 He was born, he's about 15 months old. 40:48.740 --> 40:51.640 He's born in December of 2025. 40:53.280 --> 40:54.400 And he- 40:54.400 --> 40:55.140 I guess 2024. 40:56.120 --> 40:58.220 Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, 2024. Sorry. 40:58.840 --> 41:00.960 Yeah, so he's about 15 months old now. 41:01.480 --> 41:06.940 So my books, my daughter-in-law was over one day last summer 41:06.940 --> 41:08.020 and she was like, you know, 41:08.240 --> 41:11.680 there aren't very many patriotic children's books, 41:11.820 --> 41:13.840 especially for like babies, like board books. 41:14.040 --> 41:15.120 She's like, you know, she's very, 41:15.240 --> 41:17.000 my daughter-in-law is very conservative. 41:17.000 --> 41:19.160 So she married into the right family. 41:19.860 --> 41:21.220 And so we were talking, 41:21.400 --> 41:23.140 we were playing around with Pierce. 41:23.380 --> 41:24.740 We're sitting on the back deck and I'm like, 41:24.780 --> 41:25.900 she's like, you need to write one. 41:26.000 --> 41:27.060 I'm like, yeah, maybe I will. 41:27.180 --> 41:28.100 And she's like, you should write a book 41:28.100 --> 41:29.020 for little Republicans. 41:29.280 --> 41:30.900 I'm like, yeah, I don't wanna do that. 41:30.920 --> 41:33.340 I wanna write a book for little Americans. 41:33.700 --> 41:35.140 So then that night I was like, 41:35.180 --> 41:38.140 we came up with the idea, good night, little Americans. 41:38.400 --> 41:40.940 So that's my board book for babies and toddlers. 41:42.420 --> 41:44.320 And it's a very lyrical book. 41:44.540 --> 41:45.220 It's in rhyme. 41:45.940 --> 41:49.160 And my books and the Good Night Young American 41:49.160 --> 41:52.500 is for ages four to eight. 41:52.600 --> 41:54.600 So it's a more involved picture book. 41:54.820 --> 41:58.540 But both of them seek to sort of instill a sense of pride 41:58.540 --> 42:01.840 and wonder in the American story. 42:02.180 --> 42:07.360 And they both start with a little boy and his dog 42:07.360 --> 42:10.160 and his family celebrating the 4th of July. 42:10.380 --> 42:12.460 And the little boy asks his parents, you know, 42:12.900 --> 42:14.480 why are we, what are we celebrating? 42:14.480 --> 42:16.200 And his dad explains to him 42:16.200 --> 42:18.120 about the Declaration of Independence. 42:20.220 --> 42:24.220 And in 1776, and that's why we're celebrating. 42:24.400 --> 42:25.140 That's why we have fireworks. 42:25.460 --> 42:26.960 We're singing the Star-Spangled Banner. 42:27.440 --> 42:30.980 And that night he's reading a book to his little boy, 42:31.340 --> 42:34.620 the mom and dad, and the little boy starts to dream. 42:34.900 --> 42:39.060 And the books take all of American revolutionary history 42:39.060 --> 42:41.060 through the dream of a little boy. 42:41.180 --> 42:42.740 He starts out on the Mayflower. 42:43.440 --> 42:45.260 He is a colonist. 42:45.320 --> 42:48.760 He makes friends with Sam Adams and he goes to the Tea Party. 42:48.780 --> 42:50.600 He makes friends with Ben Franklin 42:50.600 --> 42:53.760 and he flies the kite and learns about electricity. 42:54.600 --> 42:57.520 He rides the midnight ride with Paul Revere. 42:57.840 --> 43:00.120 He and his little dog are on their old little horse 43:00.120 --> 43:03.180 and he's experiencing all of the things 43:03.900 --> 43:06.240 that our founding fathers experienced. 43:06.500 --> 43:09.300 He crosses the Delaware with George Washington. 43:09.300 --> 43:12.360 He is at the Continental Congress. 43:12.800 --> 43:15.520 He watches George Washington be elected. 43:15.800 --> 43:19.560 So it's the goal and what I hope the books do 43:19.560 --> 43:24.660 is to inspire a sense of wonder and astonishment 43:25.320 --> 43:28.180 at the American story and really how brave, 43:28.700 --> 43:31.380 how utterly brave our founding fathers were 43:31.900 --> 43:34.160 and the risks that they took 43:34.380 --> 43:38.500 and how miraculous our story really is 43:38.500 --> 43:40.180 that we became this country. 43:41.320 --> 43:44.060 And all told with a beautiful art, 43:44.320 --> 43:48.020 the artist for young American is an American artist. 43:48.240 --> 43:52.020 The artist for little American is an Italian artist. 43:52.180 --> 43:55.520 They both have gorgeous, full color paintings, 43:55.840 --> 43:57.220 bringing it all to life, 43:57.400 --> 43:58.980 bringing the American story to life. 43:59.200 --> 44:02.700 So I'm so proud of them and excited for them. 44:02.880 --> 44:05.560 And they're just in time for America's 44:05.560 --> 44:07.200 250th birthday this summer. 44:07.200 --> 44:08.180 They'll be out in June. 44:09.480 --> 44:11.600 Well, try to remember to drop me a line. 44:11.780 --> 44:15.200 I'll include links to them in my email newsletter 44:15.800 --> 44:19.440 for what it's worth, get the old Woods Boost on them. 44:19.860 --> 44:20.340 That would be great. 44:20.480 --> 44:23.840 They're both available for pre-order on Amazon right now. 44:24.260 --> 44:24.940 And they'll, like I said, 44:25.000 --> 44:27.640 they'll be out June 2nd is the official pub date. 44:28.640 --> 44:30.240 One more thing, speaking of books, 44:31.040 --> 44:33.200 you and Rand co-authored the case against socialism. 44:33.300 --> 44:35.940 And I don't know that I can think of 44:36.640 --> 44:39.720 any other example of a political couple. 44:39.940 --> 44:41.380 I mean, well, no, not political couple, 44:41.560 --> 44:42.920 like we are both office holders, 44:43.260 --> 44:47.260 but where the wife and the husband write a book together. 44:47.860 --> 44:49.700 I don't know of any US Senator doing that. 44:50.740 --> 44:51.840 What, how did that come about? 44:53.300 --> 44:54.740 How did it come about? 44:56.100 --> 45:00.960 He got the idea and he had a publisher interested in it. 45:02.400 --> 45:04.220 And he got it started. 45:04.740 --> 45:07.560 And, you know, I just sort of took, 45:07.840 --> 45:10.240 he kind of like, we kind of divided it up. 45:10.280 --> 45:12.260 Like he's like, you know, why don't you write the sections 45:12.260 --> 45:16.400 on what they do in Denmark and Sweden? 45:16.660 --> 45:18.280 You know, at the time, of course, 45:18.840 --> 45:20.880 that was when Bernie Sanders was non-stop 45:20.880 --> 45:23.460 about how we need to be more like Sweden and Denmark. 45:23.900 --> 45:28.460 And so I took over those sections doing the research 45:28.460 --> 45:31.900 on really how much taxes they actually pay 45:31.900 --> 45:35.920 for the so-called free healthcare and free university 45:35.920 --> 45:40.040 and really debunked a lot of the myths about those countries 45:40.040 --> 45:42.120 because they're not socialist countries. 45:43.240 --> 45:46.380 And while they do have an enormous safety net, 45:46.880 --> 45:49.020 it's because the people are paying for it. 45:49.260 --> 45:51.080 And, you know, people just don't realize that, 45:51.240 --> 45:54.100 you know, at $60,000 a year, 45:54.180 --> 45:57.460 they're paying 60% of their income in taxes for those things. 45:57.540 --> 45:59.920 And this is why they're having so much problem now 45:59.920 --> 46:02.060 with all of the refugees that they've brought in 46:02.060 --> 46:07.820 because, you know, those extensive social benefits 46:07.820 --> 46:11.560 were predicated on everyone, a high-trust society, 46:11.800 --> 46:13.520 everyone is paying the same amount 46:13.520 --> 46:15.080 and that's not happening now. 46:15.540 --> 46:17.200 I don't go into that in the book, of course, 46:17.280 --> 46:18.120 because at that point, 46:18.940 --> 46:21.560 that hadn't really happened so much yet, it was beginning. 46:22.380 --> 46:23.800 But yeah, so it was kind of fun. 46:23.900 --> 46:26.700 I took over that side of it and then I tried to, 46:26.700 --> 46:31.020 you know, just add a little embellishments here and there. 46:31.480 --> 46:32.460 We worked together. 46:32.640 --> 46:34.400 We'd sit around at night, you know, 46:34.460 --> 46:35.920 going off ideas on each other 46:35.920 --> 46:38.420 about how to make this chapter more interesting or that one. 46:38.560 --> 46:41.380 So he'd fly off to D.C. on a Monday morning 46:41.380 --> 46:43.380 and fly back Thursday night. 46:43.440 --> 46:46.060 And during that time, I would be at home 46:46.060 --> 46:49.020 writing up different things in the chapters, 46:49.260 --> 46:51.320 writing up new ideas that we needed to go on. 46:51.320 --> 46:53.140 And I'd just show him my pages when he got in 46:53.140 --> 46:54.700 and we'd talk about it all weekend. 46:55.020 --> 46:55.680 It was really fun. 46:55.680 --> 46:58.380 It was a good time working on that together. 46:58.980 --> 47:01.380 Now it sounds like it's not boring in the Paul household. 47:01.920 --> 47:03.260 No, it's never boring. 47:03.360 --> 47:05.020 Never boring being married to Rand Paul. 47:05.280 --> 47:05.780 That's for sure. 47:06.000 --> 47:06.680 I can imagine. 47:07.040 --> 47:10.580 It's been an amazing journey and I feel very blessed. 47:11.880 --> 47:13.720 Well, Kelly, Paul, I appreciate your time. 47:13.820 --> 47:15.220 I'm looking forward to the release of your books, 47:15.300 --> 47:18.540 which as I say, I'll be happy to boost out to my audience. 47:18.780 --> 47:19.420 So do let me know. 47:19.500 --> 47:20.380 So thanks so much again. 47:20.840 --> 47:21.620 Thank you, Tom. 47:21.800 --> 47:22.440 I enjoyed it. 47:23.300 --> 47:24.820 And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 47:24.820 --> 47:26.260 Don't forget to join me this year 47:26.260 --> 47:29.460 for the best vacation ever at TomWoodscrews.com. 47:29.600 --> 47:30.440 Thanks so much for listening. 47:32.660 --> 47:34.560 Make yourself and those you love 47:34.560 --> 47:36.120 less vulnerable to the regime, 47:36.380 --> 47:37.840 both mentally and physically. 47:38.420 --> 47:41.920 Get more forbidden information at Tom'sFreeBooks.com 47:41.920 --> 47:44.680 and be sure to subscribe to the show wherever you listen. 47:45.080 --> 47:46.160 See you next time. 47:54.420 --> 47:56.100 Like the sound of the Tom Wood Show? 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